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| 00:04:42 | petur | woot |
| 00:05:15 | petur | no more crashes :) |
| 00:06:01 | * | FrankOtto applauds petur |
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| 00:06:26 | petur | now I still have to pinpoint the exact misbehaving thing... |
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| 00:06:56 | FrankOtto | petur: what change did you make? |
| 00:07:34 | petur | for now I have set_features completely disabled, and also ata_sleep is gone |
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| 00:08:04 | petur | testing goes much faster with a working bootloader ;) |
| 00:09:57 | FrankOtto | petur: you're trying with a 266x card, right? do you happen to know what speed you get in usb-mode? my 133x gives 11MB/s |
| 00:09:57 | petur | ata_perform_sleep is not ok... with it it freezes again |
| 00:10:32 | petur | it feels a bit slower than the HDD, but not much |
| 00:10:46 | petur | and I will not be needing dircache on this baby :) |
| 00:11:05 | preglow | on nano you can actually tell the difference :/ |
| 00:13:00 | * | petur hopes there can be a way to run-time detect the CF hack so we won't need a special build |
| 00:13:05 | amiconn | Then something must be really wrong on Nano |
| 00:13:43 | pixelma | Bagder: is it on purpose that the downloadable html-manual is still missing? |
| 00:13:44 | amiconn | On Ondio, dir browsing is instant, even though the read speed is ~350KB/s maximum |
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| 00:14:45 | DerPapst | good evening :-) |
| 00:14:49 | pixelma | Bagder: hmm, and the others are still as of yesterday |
| 00:15:01 | petur | amiconn: seems that when ata_perform_sleep is done the CF is really gone sleeping and not waking up (?). It feels like frozen but starts responding again after some time (empty dir of course) |
| 00:15:10 | * | DerPapst is looking for the source of this text input thingy but can't find it. |
| 00:15:23 | DerPapst | anyone happens to know where it is? |
| 00:15:30 | petur | virtual keyboard? |
| 00:15:33 | amiconn | petur: Well, did you disable the soft reset? |
| 00:15:34 | DerPapst | yes |
| 00:15:54 | amiconn | If so, the sleep will of course freeze the card, because soft reset is needed for wake up |
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| 00:16:03 | petur | amiconn: where's that? |
| 00:16:13 | amiconn | perform_soft_reset |
| 00:16:19 | * | scorche|w wonders when logbot got opped |
| 00:16:36 | petur | amiconn: it is there |
| 00:16:57 | preglow | amiconn: well, yes, i expect something _is_ wrong on nano |
| 00:16:57 | amiconn | Then your card doesn't play by the rules.... |
| 00:17:17 | amiconn | (unless the problem is ata timing) |
| 00:17:41 | amiconn | Try setting ata speed to pio0 and reprogram the correct speed after wakeup |
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| 00:18:21 | petur | amiconn: never done stuff like that (ata timing), where is it? |
| 00:18:27 | amiconn | (i.e. what I mentioned a while ago) |
| 00:18:41 | amiconn | Some cf registers, see mcf5249 manual |
| 00:18:52 | DerPapst | hmm.. found keyboard.h but not where the function lives declared in that prototype.... |
| 00:19:06 | amiconn | Currently, only set_cpu_frequency() changes those regs, adjusting them to the new clock |
| 00:20:10 | petur | DerPapst: apps/player/keyboard.c ? |
| 00:20:35 | * | amiconn thinks that DerPapst wants the version for bitmap displays... |
| 00:20:42 | petur | oh |
| 00:20:55 | DerPapst | heh... yes :-) |
| 00:21:03 | petur | .../recorder/... ? |
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| 00:21:13 | DerPapst | ah |
| 00:21:27 | DerPapst | didn't expect in recorder... |
| 00:21:53 | DerPapst | wow... it's huge o.O |
| 00:21:56 | petur | historical stuff... |
| 00:22:01 | DerPapst | thanks :-) |
| 00:23:22 | * | DerPapst wants to figure out how umlauts are handled there... |
| 00:23:31 | petur | amiconn: I'm gonne leave the ata timing switching for the weekend (or you) I think |
| 00:25:25 | petur | hmmm this will be something for target tree I suppose? or use #ifÅ› in ata.c? |
| 00:25:55 | * | petur gives his keyboard driver an angry look |
| 00:26:10 | DerPapst | because if i define an array of char that contains somthing like "ÄÖÜäöüß" the userfont (even unifont) displays garbage (wired symbols or rectangles). |
| 00:27:01 | DerPapst | and my source is UTF-8 without boom. |
| 00:27:04 | DerPapst | *BOM |
| 00:27:13 | petur | heh |
| 00:27:45 | * | DerPapst got only 6hours of sleep the last 2 nights in total ;-) |
| 00:28:13 | roxfan | try adding some boom then? :) |
| 00:28:31 | DerPapst | i noticed if i use the sysfont umlauts disply fine.. though the sysfont is kinda small on some targets |
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| 00:30:02 | DerPapst | and the vitual keyboard uses the sysfont too :-/ |
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| 00:32:02 | * | DerPapst tries to figure out where the letters are actually drawn... keyboard.c is a maze... |
| 00:32:28 | pixelma | not necessarily, there must be some code to make http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LoadableKeyboardLayouts possible |
| 00:34:39 | DerPapst | you mean because of the sysfont? |
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| 00:35:29 | pixelma | AFAIK those layouts use the user font |
| 00:35:44 | pixelma | (never tried one myself so far though) |
| 00:36:00 | DerPapst | aha.... thanks.. then i'll look a little harder ;-) |
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| 00:36:21 | DerPapst | at least i found where those layouts are loaded :-) |
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| 00:41:22 | n1s | yeah, whaen you use a custom keyboard the userfont is used |
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| 00:43:32 | DerPapst | yep... just found the place where it selects either sysfont or uifond depending on if kbd_loaded is true. |
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| 00:43:44 | DerPapst | *uifont |
| 00:44:35 | * | DerPapst shouldn't type while being tired. This only leads to lots of typos. |
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| 00:51:03 | RvX | hello. how do I include PATH for compilation? (Make your path include: /usr/local/arm-elf/bin) |
| 00:52:31 | n1s | depends on the distro but usually in .bashrc or similar |
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| 00:57:36 | RvX | oh, isn't any other way, such as: ./configure −−with-something=/PATH ? |
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| 01:05:19 | DerPapst | good night all :_) |
| 01:05:26 | DerPapst | *:-) |
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| 01:07:00 | RvX | what do I have to put in .bashrc? I have to include this path: /usr/local/arm-elf/bin ... |
| 01:11:25 | cool_walking_ | add "export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin" to the end of the file. |
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| 01:21:36 | RvX | I created file named .bashrc in my ~/ but it stills doesn't work :( |
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| 01:27:49 | RvX | I got it. it should have been: export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:$PATH, not export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin |
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| 02:17:00 | hachi | is todays build of rockbox having problems with changing playing tracks? |
| 02:17:14 | hachi | and when I say today, I mean... I downloaded it about 10 minutes ago |
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| 03:13:31 | Thirtysixway | Why doesn't rockbox work on 2nd gen ipod nano? |
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| 03:24:45 | midgey | Thirtysixway: apple decided to encrypt their firmware and the hardware is completely different than the 1st gen |
| 03:26:26 | keanu | Just as a heads up, I noticed that Gerritt Gonzales is in the credits twice |
| 03:27:01 | Thirtysixway | oh, so I guess there isn't hope for it ever to be on the 2nd gen :\ |
| 03:27:39 | midgey | it's definitely possible but it's a lot of work |
| 03:28:50 | midgey | it's basically a completely new port and someone would have to discover a way to execute third-party code |
| 03:29:00 | Thirtysixway | oh |
| 03:29:26 | midgey | i don't think anyone is actively trying to break the encryption scheme |
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| 03:29:59 | midgey | if they are, we don't know about them |
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| 03:31:29 | jac0b | hello all, I am trying to get the FS #7113 patch resynced but now the bootloader loads only half way and gets stuck can anyone help me out with this? |
| 03:33:08 | Thirtysixway | I found some stuff about decrypting the firmware |
| 03:33:09 | Thirtysixway | http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/17/135205 |
| 03:33:49 | midgey | thats the database checksum; it has nothing to do with the firmware encryption |
| 03:34:10 | midgey | it's just another step that apple went to prevent people from not using itunes |
| 03:34:20 | Thirtysixway | oh :s |
| 03:35:24 | midgey | basically, cracking the checksum allowed people to use other programs to sync their ipods such as amarok |
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| 04:02:26 | ajg983 | is there any information on if and when rockbox may/will be up and running for either cowon's d2 or iaudio7? |
| 04:02:52 | Thirtysixway | how about the zune ;p |
| 04:04:51 | midgey | ajg983: there have been basic work on both of those players, but we don't give out time frames |
| 04:05:08 | ajg983 | ok. |
| 04:05:11 | midgey | you're best bet is to read the threads on the New Ports section of the forums |
| 04:06:04 | ajg983 | thanks. |
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| 04:06:32 | midgey | Thirtysixway: the zune is very similar to the Gigabeat S which is being worked on right now. Rockbox is able to boot and browse the disk and menus. however, the bug that allowed us to run code on the gigabeat is gone on the zune so a new way to run code needs to be found |
| 04:07:09 | Thirtysixway | x; you're just full of information |
| 04:07:41 | Thirtysixway | I don't have a zune, I've just thought about getting one after my ipod dies, and I didn't see anything on the forum about zune |
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| 04:20:24 | niiko | Does anyone here use cpchan's sansampeg script to convert flv files for rockbox? |
| 04:20:53 | Thirtysixway | no |
| 04:20:59 | niiko | ok :\ |
| 04:21:01 | Thirtysixway | try download.com for a flv converter |
| 04:21:09 | krazykit | niiko, questions on that would probably be best pointed at cpchan |
| 04:21:37 | niiko | Yeah, I was really hoping I might find him/her here. *shrug* |
| 04:21:54 | krazykit | he's around sometimes, but you could just shoot him a PM on the forums. |
| 04:21:55 | niiko | Sorry to bug you guys though |
| 04:22:03 | krazykit | or his email, assuming that's somewhere available |
| 04:22:04 | advlaptop2019 | niiko, he is in #AnythingButiPod right now |
| 04:22:09 | niiko | :D |
| 04:22:10 | crzyboyster | I noticed an odd behavior in the plugin "bubbles", when you're at the start screen (one with all options listed) on an ipod nano, the level change goes DOWN when you rotate the clickwheel clockwise. This is pretty irregular with the rest of rockbox (clockwise=up) |
| 04:22:13 | niiko | Thanks! |
| 04:22:29 | crzyboyster | nikko: You can use winFF just fine for this |
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| 04:23:27 | crzyboyster | You can view youtube videos quite easily, just download the flv with the downloaders out there and then run throuhg winff |
| 04:23:57 | niiko | I might end up trying that. A Linux solution would be ideal though |
| 04:24:18 | crzyboyster | IIRC, wiff is linux and windows... |
| 04:24:36 | niiko | Oh! |
| 04:24:51 | crzyboyster | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#Using_WinFF_Windows_Linux :D |
| 04:25:16 | niiko | You rockbox people are just FULL of surprises! |
| 04:27:00 | crzyboyster | niiko: I guess rockbox is pretty "cool"! And does anyone know what I was talking about with my bubbles thing? |
| 04:27:17 | midgey | crzyboyster: that might have gotten screwed up during the scrollwheel button rename commit (r16045) |
| 04:28:19 | crzyboyster | No big deal anyways... |
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| 04:51:46 | drx656 | wanna get an answer to an opinion ?. I want to get a 16gb mp3 player and can't decide between a cowon iaudio7 or a creative zen. Which is more recommended and most ot all, what are the pros/cons and WHICH SOUNDS THE BEST? |
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| 04:52:04 | krazykit | drx656, neither is a rockbox target, so your question is offtopic. |
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| 04:53:37 | drx656 | well then which one would be more rockbox friendly for a build release? |
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| 04:55:19 | krazykit | drx656, neither, as i don't believe custom code has been run on either. why not check out the BuyersGuide wiki page for currently supported targets? |
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| 05:34:08 | xp|atinum | Hi |
| 05:34:46 | cool_walking_ | hi |
| 05:35:34 | xp|atinum | Is rockbox suppose to work with a freshly formatted ipod ? (without restore from itunes) |
| 05:35:59 | xp|atinum | when I boot it it asks me to restore first before using |
| 05:36:10 | cool_walking_ | The iPod does? |
| 05:36:16 | xp|atinum | yes |
| 05:36:23 | cool_walking_ | I'm not sure |
| 05:36:27 | xp|atinum | I used the Rockbox Install utility app |
| 05:36:28 | cool_walking_ | might as well try it |
| 05:37:00 | xp|atinum | because I wanted my ipod to be 100% apple software free |
| 05:37:14 | cool_walking_ | That's not possible at this point |
| 05:37:25 | cool_walking_ | Rockbox needs the Apple bootloader |
| 05:37:49 | xp|atinum | ok so 1) install itunes 2) restore ipod 3) uninstall itunes 4) install rockbox |
| 05:37:53 | cool_walking_ | Rockbox also doesn't have it's own UMS mode, so you need the OF to access the iPod from the computer. |
| 05:38:22 | cool_walking_ | That's what I did. |
| 05:38:43 | xp|atinum | what do you use to manage your ipod ? ephpod ? yamipod ? |
| 05:38:46 | cool_walking_ | Though there's a method to restore it without using iTunes on the Wiki. |
| 05:39:01 | cool_walking_ | I just drag and drop |
| 05:39:42 | xp|atinum | it's great that it supports simple drag/drop AND usercreated subdirectories |
| 05:40:30 | cool_walking_ | Yeah. I hate having to use special software to put stuff on MP3 player/phone/etc. |
| 05:42:28 | xp|atinum | how's the battery life with rockbox ? lasts longer ? |
| 05:43:44 | cool_walking_ | Depends what model, but it's currently a little shorter on Videos. |
| 05:44:04 | xp|atinum | i have an ipod video 30gb |
| 05:44:25 | xp|atinum | I know it doesn't support it but is there a possibility for future xvid/divx playback ? |
| 05:45:08 | cool_walking_ | I really have no idea (I'm just a user) but at this point I would say no. |
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| 05:46:04 | Llorean | There's no reason that it couldn't be done |
| 05:46:14 | Llorean | But all the people who are interested in it aren't interested in it enough to learn and do. |
| 05:46:26 | xp|atinum | it would be awesome to have that feature |
| 05:46:59 | Llorean | Then implement it. |
| 05:47:15 | Llorean | Everything in Rockbox is done by volunteers interested in it. |
| 05:48:29 | xp|atinum | I would definately help if I had the slightest knowledge in stuff like that. |
| 05:48:39 | xp|atinum | unfortunately it's not my branch hehe |
| 05:48:50 | cool_walking_ | Does the broadcom chip only help with Apple's codec or could it be used for general processing? Or do you guys have no idea what it does? |
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| 06:03:08 | xp|atinum | is managing pictures just as easy as mp3s ? |
| 06:03:24 | xp|atinum | its a pain in the arse with itunes... so stupid to absolutly have to sync from a specific folder |
| 06:05:58 | cool_walking_ | Just drag and drop |
| 06:07:08 | cool_walking_ | http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml will tell you everything. |
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| 07:36:51 | Thirtysixway | what language are plugins written in |
| 07:37:06 | krazykit | C |
| 07:37:53 | krazykit | it's possible there's some ASM too, but it's primarily C. |
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| 07:38:24 | Thirtysixway | ..how are they compiled into .rock files |
| 07:38:47 | scorche | by using a compiler (gcc) |
| 07:38:52 | krazykit | have you read the For Developers pages on the wiki and looked at the source code? |
| 07:38:56 | Thirtysixway | no |
| 07:39:11 | Thirtysixway | I'm going to go read it now |
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| 08:48:10 | Llorean | Seen this page? http://www.ilgerone.net/rockbox/index.php |
| 08:49:06 | * | GodEater fires up google language tools |
| 08:49:28 | Llorean | It's an "Italian Homepage" for Rockbox. =/ |
| 08:49:33 | scorche | http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ilgerone.net%2Frockbox%2Findex.php&langpair=it%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8 :) |
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| 08:50:35 | Llorean | I used babelfish |
| 08:50:53 | Llorean | Google did a better job though |
| 08:52:19 | GodEater | looks to be blind focused too |
| 08:52:31 | GodEater | they have Jaws scripts linked right on the front page |
| 08:52:44 | scorche | apparently june 2nd is rockbox day |
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| 08:53:51 | GodEater | did you just wander in there randomly Llorean ? Or did someone tell you about it ? |
| 08:54:42 | Llorean | GodEater: Mailing List |
| 08:55:03 | GodEater | ah |
| 08:55:37 | Llorean | The site worries me a little, it looks like they're claiming a specific "latest version" as being 19/12/07's build |
| 08:56:19 | GodEater | they're kind of doing their own support though |
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| 08:57:48 | Llorean | The site just makes me a little nervous, since it's not entirely obvious, at least in google translate, that it's simply re-providing it. |
| 08:58:07 | GodEater | they do link to us at the bottom of the page |
| 08:58:54 | Llorean | Ah, there it is. |
| 08:59:28 | Llorean | Well, what will be, will be. |
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| 09:00:36 | GodEater | I regard the fact that we don't have an influx of confused blind italians as proof of their relative success |
| 09:00:49 | Llorean | hahaha |
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| 09:06:30 | LinusN | well, they have a link to the official rockbox site on almost every page |
| 09:07:59 | GodEater | I think they have themselves a nice little project there |
| 09:08:20 | * | GodEater wonders if we should provide a link back to them |
| 09:09:02 | LinusN | i think so |
| 09:09:09 | * | petur spots Alessio Lenzi there as 'staff' |
| 09:09:19 | LinusN | figures :-) |
| 09:09:46 | * | GodEater doesn't recognise the name |
| 09:10:01 | petur | our Italian translator |
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| 09:10:25 | petur | (who sometimes also commits something else iirc) |
| 09:11:00 | Llorean | I just wish they'd simply link to the official current build rather than hosting their own outdated copy. |
| 09:11:27 | GodEater | I think they're entitled to do that if they're providing support for it |
| 09:11:34 | GodEater | it makes their life much easier |
| 09:11:58 | Llorean | They're entitled to do whatever. |
| 09:11:59 | GodEater | heck, it'd make our life easier too :) |
| 09:12:04 | markun | Llorean: maybe they test a build first and only try to provide more or less stable builds or something. Or one where the italian intranslation is 100% up to date. |
| 09:12:20 | Llorean | markun: Maybe |
| 09:12:44 | GodEater | they have a known target, with known faults that way |
| 09:12:53 | LinusN | i think it's a great initiative |
| 09:13:06 | Llorean | But if you visit their site, their list of supported targets is wrong, and the "in progress" ones is kinda inaccurate. |
| 09:13:20 | Llorean | I'd classify the gigabeat as much more mature (for a user) than iPod feels. |
| 09:14:47 | markun | LinusN: junti1234 told me there is a Korean gigabeat community now. All using rockbox of course :) |
| 09:14:58 | LinusN | :-) |
| 09:15:11 | * | petur is not surprised |
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| 09:16:19 | Llorean | I'm just worried because we already get people not trusting our supported players list, and it doesn't help when there are sites out there that actually have wrong information. |
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| 09:17:06 | markun | maybe we should do releases after all |
| 09:17:08 | GodEater | if there was nothing on that site to worry about, you'd invent something to be worried about. |
| 09:17:19 | GodEater | you worry too much :) |
| 09:17:37 | Llorean | :-P |
| 09:17:39 | Llorean | Fair enough |
| 09:18:12 | GodEater | I'd like to point out (again) we still haven't had a bunch on confused blind italians querying us since December on what the best supported rockbox target is ;) |
| 09:18:24 | GodEater | QED |
| 09:18:57 | GodEater | if those guys don't like recommending the sansa and the gigabeat, they must have their reasons |
| 09:19:41 | markun | the touch cross is probably not very blind friendly |
| 09:20:36 | GodEater | that's what I was thinking |
| 09:20:38 | Llorean | More so than the wheel on the iPod, I'd think |
| 09:20:51 | Llorean | At least with the cross you can feel the edges with a touch soft enough not to trigger it, then treat it like buttons |
| 09:22:08 | amiconn | markun: Did you get my comment regarding that pio mode patch? |
| 09:22:16 | markun | nope |
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| 09:23:16 | markun | in today's log? |
| 09:23:33 | amiconn | yesterday... |
| 09:25:18 | petur | amiconn: did the nano report powermanagement support? |
| 09:26:39 | petur | brb |
| 09:26:47 | amiconn | yes |
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| 09:41:40 | petur | amiconn: but the nano doesn't give any issues in set__features() regarding powermanagement? |
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| 09:56:43 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: any idea why rockbox can't seem to write to the S' disk? |
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| 10:05:19 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I made something that should've worked (even worked on my PC), but because of what I said above, it doesn't work on target |
| 10:05:32 | Nico_P | on my comp it gave weird permissions to the files though |
| 10:05:37 | Nico_P | not sure it's perfect |
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| 10:18:54 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: Because I disabled it for now :) |
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| 10:37:13 | amiconn | petur: No. The only thing the nano doesn't seem to like is an ata soft reset, although that's also a mandatory ata feature... |
| 10:37:29 | amiconn | I really think this has to do with timings |
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| 10:56:48 | Mark__T | in the Sansa c200 documentation, itgives the advice to load the DB to RAM, to save batery, because the disk spins for every search |
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| 10:57:58 | amiconn | Yup. That advice is obviously nonsense |
| 10:58:30 | amiconn | I think some option that selects which text blocks are included in which manual is set wrong there |
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| 11:04:33 | broom | Ahem... The manuals (http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml) are still at Feb 13. Just a note. |
| 11:06:44 | Mark__T | and missing 2008 in the Copyright notice |
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| 11:08:53 | Mark__T | nice piece of software though |
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| 11:09:23 | broom | Bagder: ping |
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| 11:11:20 | broom | Bagder: didn't you start the manual build manually? Did it work? |
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| 11:23:45 | * | gevaerts pretends not understand what broom means, and notes that manual builds are manual by definition |
| 11:24:10 | petur | heh |
| 11:28:14 | broom | gevaerts: you mean manuals are manual by definition? :-) |
| 11:28:40 | gevaerts | Does anyone here know why there are some accesses to 0x7000002C and 0x70000028 in usb_init_device() in usb-fw-pp502x.c ? They don't seem to be needed on my c250 |
| 11:29:07 | linuxstb | Probably just stolen blindly from the ipodlinux source (where a lot of our PP code originated from) |
| 11:29:19 | gevaerts | broom: I'm not sure about manuals, but manual build are, aren't they ? |
| 11:30:16 | gevaerts | linuxstb: and they probably got them from the OF, so they won't know what those registers are either I guess |
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| 11:33:23 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Most likely. |
| 11:35:37 | markun | is forum searching broken or just slow? |
| 11:38:24 | amiconn | gevaerts: Maybe those accesses aren't needed on your c200 because the settings are already done by the loader |
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| 11:40:56 | Bagder | broom: I did and I saw them build |
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| 11:41:18 | Bagder | I can also see they build automatically this morning |
| 11:41:21 | Bagder | built |
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| 11:52:09 | gevaerts | amiconn: could be. I'm not going to remove them without being sure they aren't needed somewhere |
| 11:52:34 | broom | Bagder: were the results put to the download page? I still see Feb 13 there. |
| 11:53:20 | Bagder | seems the html versions aren't built |
| 11:54:00 | Bagder | the pdf versions are |
| 11:56:00 | Bagder | /bin/sh: line 3: htlatex: command not found |
| 11:56:05 | Bagder | doesn't look too good |
| 11:57:01 | Bagder | I wonder where that went |
| 11:59:50 | Bagder | ok building it again |
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| 12:01:31 | petur | hmmm the day before feb 14, some latex goes missing... I wonder where it went :) |
| 12:02:25 | broom | Bagder: in the PDF I see Feb 13 as well |
| 12:02:34 | Bagder | not me |
| 12:02:54 | Bagder | you're reading a cached one or something |
| 12:03:29 | Bagder | I checked several |
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| 12:05:29 | broom | Bagder: indeed. Now I see Feb 15 in the PDF |
| 12:05:43 | Bagder | goodie |
| 12:05:54 | Bagder | and the "online" and html zips will be too within a while |
| 12:06:29 | Bagder | petur: and my wordpress went partly french ;-) |
| 12:06:51 | petur | if you need translation,... ;) |
| 12:08:49 | Bagder | well, luckily only parts of the gui did this and I know that already without having to read the labels much |
| 12:08:55 | Bagder | just a very curious problem |
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| 12:10:19 | anton | hi there |
| 12:10:59 | anton | hallo ?! |
| 12:11:19 | petur | hi |
| 12:11:34 | Bagder | anton: we're 120+ people here, we don't "hi" everyone |
| 12:11:51 | anton | kk |
| 12:11:53 | anton | sorry |
| 12:11:56 | Bagder | just feel welcome! |
| 12:12:01 | anton | thx |
| 12:12:05 | Bagder | and hang around or ask questions or whatever you need! |
| 12:12:45 | anton | sb here who know install for sansa @ linux 32 ? |
| 12:12:50 | * | gevaerts wonders if any rockbox people are going to FOSDEM |
| 12:13:01 | Bagder | anton: there's a manual you should try |
| 12:13:14 | anton | the the bootloader file is some how not "normal" |
| 12:13:23 | anton | i know the man |
| 12:13:38 | linuxstb | How is it not normal? |
| 12:13:39 | anton | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/sansapatcher/linux32x86/sansapatcher |
| 12:13:50 | anton | so is this the normal text ? |
| 12:14:08 | linuxstb | Just download the file, rather than viewing it in your browser. |
| 12:14:19 | Bagder | fosdem seems nice, I wish I could go |
| 12:14:20 | linuxstb | e.g. at the terminal type "wget http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/sansapatcher/linux32x86/sansapatcher" |
| 12:14:28 | linuxstb | Or right-click and "save as" in your browser. |
| 12:14:48 | gevaerts | I might go, but I haven't decided yet |
| 12:14:52 | anton | kk ill have a try |
| 12:14:55 | * | linuxstb hopes he didn't offend Bagder |
| 12:15:20 | * | Bagder turns his head away and pretends to not see |
| 12:15:25 | * | petur reads about FOSDEM Beer Event :) |
| 12:16:16 | petur | hmmm that weekend is fully booked already here |
| 12:16:25 | * | gevaerts doesn't remember petur talking about anything but beer |
| 12:16:50 | GodEater | he doesn't much ;) |
| 12:17:04 | GodEater | maybe he'll give a beer related talk at fosdem too ? :) |
| 12:18:11 | Bagder | "how to select what beer to drink with what free software project" |
| 12:18:25 | Bagder | an important issue |
| 12:18:57 | * | petur feels he needs to make an urgent change to the devcon08 page |
| 12:19:32 | gevaerts | Actually, searching for "rockbox" on site:fosdem.org gives no results, while there are 1370 for "beer" |
| 12:20:34 | * | gevaerts sees petur's change |
| 12:20:39 | Bagder | http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=rockbox&word2=beer |
| 12:20:40 | petur | :) |
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| 12:21:52 | * | petur walks to lunch |
| 12:23:09 | GodEater | via the beer shop no doubt |
| 12:24:08 | anton | has someone tryed to install doom @ a sansa, and is't ok to play ? |
| 12:25:17 | Bagder | broom: the manuals are now updated |
| 12:25:45 | Bagder | it'll take a little while more until the download mirrors have synced the latest ones |
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| 12:26:07 | gevaerts | anton: sansa e200 or c200 ? It works on a c200, the framerate is ok, but the screen is too small and the button placement is so that your fingers will obscure the screen. No idea about the e200, but the screen is larger |
| 12:26:31 | broom | Bagder: OK! |
| 12:26:48 | gevaerts | anton: so in summary it works, but you have to find out for yourself if it works well enough for you |
| 12:27:26 | anton | but i have a e |
| 12:27:29 | anton | e280 |
| 12:27:48 | * | Bagder looks at anton |
| 12:27:55 | anton | ill have a try i think |
| 12:30:18 | * | gevaerts notices that http://www.linkedin.com/in/petur doesn't mention beer at all |
| 12:31:08 | LinusN | he has to keep a clean profile :-) |
| 12:31:13 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: why did you disable writing? |
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| 12:31:57 | * | Nico_P has been playing around with the ipod and hasn't seen many issues (yet) |
| 12:32:27 | Nico_P | the only thing I see is that the disk is slow so buffering takes a long time (also because of the big buffer to fill) |
| 12:33:07 | Nico_P | I need to try the spinlock revert patch though |
| 12:34:17 | GodEater | notices that linkedin doesn't check in this case that you're logged in / or a linkedin user to show petur's profile |
| 12:34:36 | GodEater | but if you search for someone, it requires you to login to see their profile |
| 12:34:48 | Bagder | I think that's on purpose |
| 12:34:58 | Bagder | you're supposed to be able to show your public profile like that |
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| 12:35:45 | GodEater | it means you can type any old name in after the /in/ in the url though |
| 12:35:45 | GodEater | and just randomly look at people |
| 12:36:08 | Bagder | yeps |
| 12:36:21 | Bagder | but user's can switch off that |
| 12:36:24 | Bagder | users |
| 12:36:34 | GodEater | ah ok |
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| 12:39:58 | Bagder | and the default public profile url seems to have a hex hash at the right end... :-) |
| 12:40:15 | * | Bagder stops the off topic for now |
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| 12:46:13 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: just to be sure for the time being that nothing would cause me to have to reformat or anything |
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| 12:51:18 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: isn't it safe enough yet? |
| 12:51:29 | * | petur fails to find gevaerts on LinkedIn |
| 12:54:57 | * | gevaerts thinks that might be caused by him not having a profile there |
| 12:55:38 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: probably |
| 12:56:06 | jhMikeS | just enable it in ata-target.h |
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| 12:58:48 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: what do I have to add? |
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| 13:05:00 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: nothing |
| 13:05:22 | Nico_P | well I don't see how to enable it |
| 13:06:01 | jhMikeS | get rid of the ATA_OPTIMIZED_WRITING stuff |
| 13:06:39 | jhMikeS | the copy_write_sectors in ata-imx31.c as well |
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| 13:13:09 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Why would you remove the optimised writing? |
| 13:14:35 | jhMikeS | there is no writing at all in the optimized writing, just a stub |
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| 13:20:16 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: that's already disabled for the bootloader and it still wan't ale to write |
| 13:20:27 | Nico_P | *wasn't able |
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| 13:23:18 | jhMikeS | what happened? |
| 13:23:49 | * | jhMikeS didn't know the bootloader was being used |
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| 13:27:15 | Nico_P | write returns -1 |
| 13:27:43 | Nico_P | maybe there's something elese I'm doing wrong but it does work on my compo |
| 13:27:47 | Nico_P | computer |
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| 13:30:04 | petur | BOFH time :) |
| 13:30:10 | gevaerts | Zagor: I got bulk working with both directions on the same endpoint pair |
| 13:30:28 | Zagor | oh, great! |
| 13:31:41 | Zagor | so we should have mass-storage and logf simultaneously then. that's really awesome. |
| 13:31:42 | * | amiconn wonders what jhMikeS is referring to... |
| 13:31:48 | gevaerts | I did have to add some delays though, and I can't get serial and ms working at the same time, so I think my TD handling is still not right |
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| 13:33:42 | jhMikeS | amiconn: it used a stub for an "optimized" copy_write_sectors just to disable it |
| 13:34:05 | amiconn | Where?? |
| 13:34:19 | jhMikeS | ata-imx31.c |
| 13:34:23 | Zagor | gevaerts: well at your speed I'm sure it's working before sunday ;-) |
| 13:34:52 | amiconn | Ah, so some target specific hack |
| 13:35:00 | amiconn | No wonder I was confused... |
| 13:37:28 | * | jhMikeS wonders how ata_write_sectors fails since only copy_write_sectors is disabled |
| 13:38:19 | gevaerts | Zagor: it's bound to slow down a bit : the fast progress was due to finding that small packets work, and then doing the easy bits. What I'm doing now is slightly more complicated, with more subtle bugs... |
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| 13:46:41 | gevaerts | Zagor: do you know if anyone actually reproduced the high-speed problems on anything other that sansa ? |
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| 13:47:45 | Zagor | gevaerts: I'm not sure. I know some people ran code on the ipods just to see the descriptors, but I don't know how much else they tested. |
| 13:49:01 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: here's the patch http://pastebin.ca/904955 |
| 13:50:45 | gevaerts | linuxstb, GodEater: could you check if the EG_PORTSC1 |= PORTSCX_PORT_FORCE_FULL_SPEED |
| 13:51:18 | gevaerts | line in usb_drv_init() in usb-drv-pp502x.c isrequired on ipod ? |
| 13:51:58 | * | gevaerts always has trouble with pasting things from his editor. There's always a line ending sneaking in |
| 13:52:58 | austriancoder | who is working on the d2 port? |
| 13:55:05 | linuxstb | austriancoder: shotofadds |
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| 13:55:28 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Sorry, can't check anything now... |
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| 13:55:36 | austriancoder | linuxstb: merci |
| 13:55:42 | * | jhMikeS is absorbing the patch |
| 13:58:09 | pondlife | Nicotine? |
| 13:59:39 | * | jhMikeS still gets that the old fashioned way :) |
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| 14:01:11 | petur | bad habit |
| 14:03:00 | gevaerts | linuxstb: no hurry. I just want to check if this high speed is really a portal player issue, or something sansa-specific. |
| 14:03:13 | jhMikeS | it's my preferred bad habit, others have their own no doubt |
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| 14:16:56 | Anarchitect | Hi everybody |
| 14:17:43 | Anarchitect | I've seem to run into a bit of trouble |
| 14:18:43 | Anarchitect | My computer won't recognize my ipod anymore |
| 14:19:27 | Anarchitect | and on my ipod it says: Error: can't load rockbox.ipod. |
| 14:19:29 | Anarchitect | file not found |
| 14:20:02 | linuxstb | Hold MENU+SELECT to reboot, then immediately press and hold SELECT+PLAY |
| 14:20:10 | Anarchitect | right |
| 14:20:12 | Anarchitect | tried that |
| 14:20:17 | Anarchitect | but it just goes to the 'recharging' logo |
| 14:20:59 | Anarchitect | how long do i hold them? |
| 14:21:02 | linuxstb | It should take you to Apple's emergency (black and white) disk mode screen - and you can then attach it to your PC. |
| 14:21:13 | Anarchitect | right |
| 14:21:16 | * | Anarchitect unplugs the ipod |
| 14:21:20 | linuxstb | Until they do something... |
| 14:21:38 | linuxstb | i.e. hold MENU+SELECT until it resets, then immediately hold SELECT+PLAY until you see the disk mode screen |
| 14:21:49 | Anarchitect | now it says 'OK to disconnect' (after I followed those instructions) |
| 14:21:55 | linuxstb | Now connect it. |
| 14:22:06 | Anarchitect | sweet |
| 14:22:29 | Anarchitect | Thanks a bunch, it got it! |
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| 14:42:14 | preglow | hmm |
| 14:42:20 | preglow | didn't people say flac now compresses as well as wavpack? |
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| 14:50:13 | linuxstb | I know the latest versions of flac compress better than the older ones, but I don't know if it's as good as wavpack. |
| 14:55:29 | preglow | doesn't seem like it |
| 14:55:36 | preglow | wavpack -h still compresses better than flac -8 here |
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| 14:59:15 | linuxstb | Is -h the mode that's very CPU-intensive to decode? Or am I confusing that with something else? |
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| 15:00:12 | preglow | it more intensive, but not most |
| 15:00:31 | preglow | there's a -hh now, that david bryant quite simply says you should not use if you intend to decode on embedded targets |
| 15:00:44 | preglow | though i suspect gigabeats don't really count... |
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| 15:12:32 | Anarchitect | Say, linuxstb, I was lookinag around the rockbox site and must have failed to find it, but how do I uninstall Rockbox? |
| 15:13:37 | krazykit | depends on the target: the general one is to revert the bootloader and delete the .rockbox directory |
| 15:14:10 | Anarchitect | if by target you mean device, I'm jusing an Ipod |
| 15:14:20 | Anarchitect | How does one revert te bootloader? |
| 15:14:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | Anarchitect: Read the manual for your iPod. All the instructions are in it. |
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| 15:14:51 | Anarchitect | I didn't get a manual with it, but I'll see what there's to find online |
| 15:15:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | Anarchitect: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 15:15:18 | Anarchitect | thanks! |
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| 15:26:55 | * | LinusN is controlling is ipod video using his remote (!) :-) |
| 15:27:40 | GodEater | using the OF ? :) |
| 15:27:47 | LinusN | haha, of course not |
| 15:28:00 | GodEater | and I thought your ipod video was at Nico_P's house now ? :) |
| 15:28:07 | GodEater | if so, that's a hell of long cord.... |
| 15:28:09 | LinusN | i have a 5G as well |
| 15:28:13 | GodEater | ah |
| 15:28:25 | GodEater | so you have a working serial driver and stuff then ? |
| 15:28:29 | LinusN | yup |
| 15:28:34 | GodEater | well done that man! |
| 15:28:41 | GodEater | you'll be the toast of the forums and no mistake |
| 15:29:01 | LinusN | needs some cleanup, and i haven't yet managed to make it interrupt driven |
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| 15:29:16 | GodEater | what sort of remote is it ? |
| 15:29:22 | LinusN | luckily the uart has a large fifo |
| 15:29:23 | GodEater | my 5.5G didn't come with one |
| 15:30:25 | * | LambdaCalculus37 hands LinusN a Guinness for his hard work |
| 15:30:58 | GodEater | I didn't even know you were working on it LinusN - you kept it very quiet |
| 15:31:08 | dionoea | ouh nice. do you have the remote with the FM radio ? |
| 15:31:12 | dionoea | +hi |
| 15:32:03 | LinusN | no, the fm radio remote seems hard to come by here |
| 15:32:19 | LinusN | i bought an el cheapo docking station with a cordless remote |
| 15:32:43 | dionoea | ok. |
| 15:33:51 | LinusN | http://www.teknikmagasinet.se/nydb/db.pl?template_file=db_stor.html&artnr=100275 |
| 15:35:11 | LinusN | yes, i kept quiet because i didn't want people to expect anything, since i can't devote much time to rockbox nowadays |
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| 15:42:18 | lubomir | hello. what is the ceapest rockbox compatible player? |
| 15:42:39 | preglow | c200? |
| 15:43:08 | Horscht | nice one, LinusN! |
| 15:43:35 | LinusN | Horscht: thx |
| 15:44:20 | lubomir | there is also no cheaper one that is not available any more on the market? |
| 15:44:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | lubomir: Try looking on eBay. You may get a good deal on a Rockboxable player. |
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| 15:45:17 | * | LambdaCalculus37 remembers seeing some iPod minis for $30-$60 yesterday |
| 15:45:20 | GodEater | The Gigabeats can be had for cheap cheap cheap on ebay |
| 15:45:27 | Anarchite | thanks guys |
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| 15:46:21 | * | preglow sees gigabeat s is no longer on refurbdepot |
| 15:46:43 | lubomir | LambdaCalculus37, for what exactly should i search? I think it would be more cheaper when buing an player and flash then the firmware myself |
| 15:47:35 | GodEater | lubomir: that's pretty much the only way to get rockbox on a player - there are very few on ebay which come with it pre-installed. |
| 15:48:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Actually, I tend to see a lot of sellers of Archos JBRs that sell them with Rockbox flashed onto them already. |
| 15:48:44 | GodEater | lubomir: so try hunting for "sansa c200" or "gigabeat F" |
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| 15:49:16 | GodEater | LambdaCalculus37: I take it back then. In my *personal* experience I've never found a rockboxed already player on ebay ;) |
| 15:49:17 | lubomir | GodEater, is there a cheaper one then the c240 with 1gb for 42€? |
| 15:49:24 | GodEater | lubomir: I doubt it |
| 15:49:30 | gevaerts | lubomir: if you get a sansa, make sure to get a v1. |
| 15:49:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | That may require asking the seller to look on the back of the Sansa for a "v2" mark. |
| 15:50:01 | markun | LambdaCalculus37: hi! |
| 15:50:21 | gevaerts | GodEater: I did a search for irivers yesterday. Of the four I found three had rockbox installed (one of them was broken though) |
| 15:50:37 | gevaerts | GodEater: Those were h120 or h140 |
| 15:50:46 | GodEater | gevaerts: see my comment above about in my personal experience ;) |
| 15:50:56 | * | petur sees three iriver h3x0 and two h1x0 on ebay |
| 15:51:09 | GodEater | I guess I tend to buy my players when RB is in it's infancy on them |
| 15:51:28 | * | gevaerts sees the comment |
| 15:52:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | markun: Hey there! |
| 15:52:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | petur: U.S. based or Europe-based deals? |
| 15:52:56 | petur | EU |
| 15:53:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | Damn! |
| 15:53:09 | petur | didn't check US |
| 15:54:17 | * | LambdaCalculus37 will check U.S. |
| 15:55:30 | lubomir | GodEater, the player should be as smal and lighweight as possible. it doesnt need much capacity. is there a cheaper one then the sansa c200 v1 series? |
| 15:55:30 | petur | there's one... |
| 15:55:34 | petur | h320 |
| 15:56:10 | GodEater | there isn't a player smaller, cheaper, and more lightweight than the c200 series that I'm aware of no |
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| 16:00:02 | FrankOtto | Hello everybody. I just tried getting my CF-modded iriver H120 to run with the V7-pre bootloader and running rockbox from ROM... |
| 16:00:21 | FrankOtto | well, it's still giving ATA -80 |
| 16:00:39 | * | petur not surprised |
| 16:00:45 | FrankOtto | but the splash screen comes up briefly at least |
| 16:01:09 | FrankOtto | and the error messages are different, so they probably come from a different code path |
| 16:01:36 | FrankOtto | i.e. not from the bootloader but from the rockbox binary itself |
| 16:01:37 | petur | I could release a blunt hack but I'd rather find out why it is going wrong |
| 16:02:07 | petur | yes, the main binary does the same check but has its own print code |
| 16:02:09 | FrankOtto | I have a screen of debug info, but I'm not sure if this is helpful |
| 16:02:11 | lubomir | GodEater, ipod nano 1gen is also ok? There are also some cheap ones in ebay. Are there other player with that smal and lighweight size that work with rockbox? |
| 16:02:26 | petur | FrankOtto: it is not... |
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| 16:02:55 | FrankOtto | petur: it's lots of GPIO values, I doubt they help with ATA debugging |
| 16:03:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | libomir: Yes, they do! |
| 16:04:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | Make absolutely sure it's a 1st Gen, though! |
| 16:04:26 | FrankOtto | I guess the splash screen comes from the rockbox, not from the bootloader, right? |
| 16:04:39 | petur | yes |
| 16:04:59 | FrankOtto | that's good, at least rockbox starts... |
| 16:05:29 | lubomir | hm,okay. i saw that the sandisk is the half of the cost from an used ipod nano. i will get the sandisk then |
| 16:05:30 | lubomir | thanks |
| 16:05:36 | FrankOtto | ... and from that point on it gets pretty safe to hack it, because with the V7 bootloader I can actually have *two* rockbox versions in ROM |
| 16:06:08 | FrankOtto | one is executed from ROM itself, the other is loaded into RAM and executed there |
| 16:06:30 | petur | FrankOtto: now you can disable ata_perform_sleep() and set_features() and it should boot |
| 16:06:48 | FrankOtto | petur: that's what I'll try next |
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| 16:07:00 | petur | There's also some call at shutdown that hangs a few seconds |
| 16:07:10 | petur | haven't checked which |
| 16:07:46 | FrankOtto | the nice thing is that I won't have to modify the bootloader now, a modified rockbox should do the trick |
| 16:08:48 | FrankOtto | ok, then I'm off to read some docs on how to *build* my own rockbox :) |
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| 16:12:35 | lubomir | is rockbox working on all c200/e200 player? There are c240,c250,e250,e260,e270 and e280 |
| 16:13:48 | scorche|w | all of the v1...none that are v2 |
| 16:14:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | That's why I said to ask the seller to look for a "v2" logo on the back of the Sansa before you bid/buy it. |
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| 16:17:06 | lubomir | ah, i see that the only difference between the different model numbers is the flash size. since how long is there version 2? So when i see someone who tells that he owns the player since 1 year or so, i could be shure that that is v1 and not v2 |
| 16:17:48 | scorche|w | the v2 has been out for a few months |
| 16:18:15 | scorche|w | so yes...if he says a year, then you should be fine |
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| 16:20:22 | lubomir | thanks scorche|w |
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| 17:13:59 | * | pondlife wonders why tracks 3 and 10 are getting such a bad reputation... :) |
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| 17:26:58 | * | gevaerts is stopping paid work for this week. Only rockbox work from now on... |
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| 17:30:44 | soap | Why couldn't you have said such golden words on Monday? ;) |
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| 17:36:19 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: ping |
| 17:40:37 | FrankOtto | for all CF-modders: I can confirm that petur's hack around the "ATA -80" issue also works on an iriver H120 with a Transcend-133x card |
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| 17:57:17 | markun | FrankOtto: nice. Now we just have to find out how to fix it. |
| 17:57:34 | toffe82 | Nico_P: just one thought about the cabbie wps version 2, why this banner with now playing ? we are in the now playing screen so why mention it again? |
| 17:59:49 | Nico_P | toffe82: that's not my idea |
| 17:59:51 | FrankOtto | markun: right. Somehow my CF card (and also petur's) don't confirm fully to spec and get confused by the power management/sleeping. |
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| 18:00:05 | toffe82 | Nico_P: :) |
| 18:00:06 | Nico_P | but I like actually like it |
| 18:00:46 | markun | FrankOtto: but since the cards work with the original firmwares for the iriver and apple players I assume we can detect this in some way. |
| 18:00:48 | toffe82 | I like the wps also but this banner is not necessary , I would prefer to see the time |
| 18:01:38 | FrankOtto | markun: unfortunately I have absolutely no knowledge about ATA internals :( |
| 18:01:53 | markun | someone will figure it out |
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| 18:02:25 | toffe82 | Nico_P: there is a forum to discuss this ? |
| 18:02:36 | markun | toffe82: would you be interested in attending devcon2008? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevCon2008 |
| 18:02:54 | Nico_P | toffe82: yes, the default wps contest thread |
| 18:03:00 | toffe82 | markun: yes I was looking at it this morning |
| 18:03:30 | toffe82 | I should be in France in june/july |
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| 18:12:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | My girlfriend has asked me to sign her onto the wiki, but she needs write permission. Anyone mind while I handle that? |
| 18:13:15 | markun | LambdaCalculus37: what do you mean? |
| 18:13:24 | rasher | LambdaCalculus37: Unless your girlfriend is a penis-enlargement spammer, then no |
| 18:13:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | rasher: She's the genuine article. Ask markun. |
| 18:14:12 | markun | LambdaCalculus37: you don't really need to ask it. It's only to not alowed for bots to get write permission. |
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| 18:14:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | markun: No worries. |
| 18:15:27 | * | markun should read more carefully before pressing enter |
| 18:15:33 | * | LambdaCalculus37 would never, ever, ever give a bot write permission on the wiki |
| 18:15:56 | markun | ;) |
| 18:16:28 | markun | unless he passes the turing test.. :) |
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| 18:31:06 | markun | gevaerts: :) |
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| 19:01:47 | * | gevaerts thinks two hours can't be enough for petur to really have enjoyed that beer |
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| 19:03:08 | lymeca_ | I have a 30GB 4th gen video that's HFS+ formatted |
| 19:03:09 | FrankOtto | petur: your hack works for me too :) |
| 19:03:20 | lymeca_ | I need it to be FAT32 formatted but there's no image for that on the wiki |
| 19:03:22 | lymeca_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 19:03:30 | lymeca_ | There's just 30GB video parititons |
| 19:04:27 | petur | nice |
| 19:04:40 | linuxstb | lymeca_: Are you on a Mac or Linux/ |
| 19:04:45 | lymeca_ | Linux |
| 19:04:51 | petur | bbl (dinner) |
| 19:05:24 | linuxstb | Then life is slightly easier. You can just use "fdisk" to create a suitable partition table. |
| 19:05:33 | lymeca_ | Is there no partition table for 30GB 4th gen? |
| 19:05:34 | lymeca_ | aye okay |
| 19:05:52 | lymeca_ | fdisk /dev/sdc |
| 19:06:00 | lymeca_ | Now what? |
| 19:06:13 | lymeca_ | o create a new empty DOS partition table |
| 19:06:13 | linuxstb | lymeca_: Give me a moment, and I'll pastebin what my 60GB ipod Color looks like. |
| 19:07:59 | linuxstb | lymeca_: http://www.pastebin.ca/905297 - create a partition table that looks like that (but the second (FAT32) partition will be smaller) |
| 19:08:36 | linuxstb | lymeca_: The first partition needs to be around 40MB. |
| 19:08:47 | lymeca_ | linuxstb: When I create the first one what FS type to I tell fdisk? |
| 19:08:56 | lymeca_ | File system type (default ext2): |
| 19:08:56 | linuxstb | Type "0" |
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| 19:09:02 | linuxstb | (zero) |
| 19:09:07 | lymeca_ | didn't work |
| 19:09:15 | linuxstb | Are you using "fdisk" ? |
| 19:09:25 | lymeca_ | File system type (default ext2): 0 |
| 19:09:25 | lymeca_ | File system type (default ext2): |
| 19:09:27 | lymeca_ | GNU Fdisk 1.0 |
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| 19:10:20 | linuxstb | That seems different to my fdisk... |
| 19:11:35 | * | gevaerts didn't know there is a GNU fdisk |
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| 19:11:48 | linuxstb | Do you have "gfdisk" or "lfdisk" ? |
| 19:12:33 | lymeca_ | linuxstb: I have both |
| 19:13:21 | lymeca_ | this is what I have now |
| 19:13:21 | lymeca_ | /dev/sdc1 1 40 321268 83 Linux |
| 19:13:21 | lymeca_ | /dev/sdc2 41 3647 28965195 c FAT32 LBA |
| 19:13:37 | linuxstb | Do they look like this when you run them? http://www.pastebin.ca/905331 (I typed the "p" command) |
| 19:14:53 | lymeca_ | Got it! |
| 19:14:58 | lymeca_ | I switched the first one to be type 0 |
| 19:15:22 | linuxstb | Better change the second to "b" - I'm not 100% sure "c" is supported by the Rockbox install tools. |
| 19:15:33 | linuxstb | (Apple use "b") |
| 19:15:53 | linuxstb | But how big is your first partition? |
| 19:16:14 | lymeca_ | 40MB? |
| 19:16:18 | linuxstb | It looks like 40 cylinders, rather than 40MB... |
| 19:16:19 | lymeca_ | I just ran ipodpatcher |
| 19:16:22 | lymeca_ | ohh |
| 19:16:24 | lymeca_ | maybe |
| 19:16:40 | lymeca_ | I just installed rockbox and some music copied over to the FAT32 |
| 19:16:47 | lymeca_ | I'll reboot the device and see if it worked |
| 19:17:48 | lymeca_ | yay! |
| 19:17:48 | lymeca_ | =D |
| 19:18:13 | lymeca_ | I have a new 4th gen! |
| 19:18:18 | lymeca_ | I've never owned a colour before. |
| 19:18:27 | lymeca_ | Someone gave it to me ebcause it was "broken" |
| 19:18:36 | lymeca_ | I opened it and upnplugged the HDD and plugged it back in |
| 19:18:43 | lymeca_ | and now it works with Rockbox! |
| 19:18:56 | gevaerts | lymeca_: you might still want to shrink that first partition a bit. You're losing out on 280 entire megabytes ! |
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| 19:19:28 | lymeca_ | Should I redo the whole thing? |
| 19:19:29 | lymeca_ | I guess... |
| 19:19:46 | gevaerts | You don't really have to, but now it's just wasted space |
| 19:20:22 | lymeca_ | How many cylinders do I want the first partition to be? |
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| 19:20:35 | linuxstb | 5 |
| 19:20:51 | linuxstb | Partition 1 should be from 1-5, and partition 2 from 6-end |
| 19:22:11 | lymeca_ | dev/sdc1 1 6 48163 0 Empty |
| 19:22:11 | lymeca_ | /dev/sdc2 7 3647 29238300 b FAT32 |
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| 19:23:45 | Horscht | isn't the ipod OF and diskmode stored in partition 1? |
| 19:23:56 | lymeca_ | naw |
| 19:24:08 | lymeca_ | well OF maybe |
| 19:24:13 | lymeca_ | diskmode is not on the HDD |
| 19:24:21 | lymeca_ | IIRC |
| 19:24:22 | Horscht | ah, ok |
| 19:24:37 | lymeca_ | I don't care about OF |
| 19:25:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | Disk Mode is not on the HDD, so you're correct, lymeca_. |
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| 19:31:34 | * | gevaerts thinks he has done everything correctly, but his sansa thinks not... |
| 19:32:05 | BigBambi | The Sansa is clearly wrong. Tell it more firmly |
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| 19:35:27 | gevaerts | BigBambi: I'll try. Any suggestions on the specific words I should use ? |
| 19:36:21 | krazykit | strong words, preferably. |
| 19:36:51 | BigBambi | gevaerts: You could try being firm but fair - "Look, I know this is new for you, but we really have to work together on this one. I need to you to fricking work on this one, OK? Thanks" |
| 19:37:20 | * | gevaerts was hoping for some words that the compiler would also accept |
| 19:38:42 | rasher | gevaerts: You just need to write a compiler for human language first. |
| 19:41:13 | preglow | what it if becomes offended? |
| 19:41:18 | preglow | i think gcc is hard enough to work with as it is |
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| 19:42:23 | gevaerts | It currently gets offended and stops listening to me. I then have to be angry for 15 seconds or more for it to power of |
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| 19:45:51 | preglow | ahh, but that's just the sansa, imagine what hell life would be if _gcc_ took a disliking to you :) |
| 19:46:28 | BigBambi | preglow: You mean it doesn't at the moment? |
| 19:46:59 | scorche|w | preglow: yeah...i think it pretty much loathes all humankind |
| 19:47:18 | preglow | you are right, of course |
| 19:47:33 | preglow | this might be why the gcc devs themselves are so reluctant to tinker on it |
| 19:48:03 | scorche|w | or why they are all named Dave? |
| 19:48:37 | BigBambi | It is linuxstb's fault? |
| 19:50:06 | scorche|w | Bowman...not Chapman |
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| 20:10:03 | * | gevaerts wants unbuffered real-time debugging output that also works when there is a bug in an interrupt handler |
| 20:10:19 | preglow | haha |
| 20:10:25 | preglow | then you need jtag |
| 20:10:41 | preglow | most things tend to break up when interrupt handlers don't work |
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| 20:11:35 | FrankOtto | petur: I have some info on the shutdown issue |
| 20:11:49 | * | petur listens |
| 20:11:49 | gevaerts | preglow: it's not funny :( |
| 20:12:26 | amiconn | petur: Does that CF card work in the OF? |
| 20:12:32 | petur | nope |
| 20:12:40 | petur | check HDD |
| 20:13:01 | FrankOtto | petur: by disabling ata_perform_sleep, the shutdown_hw() routine ends up in an endless loop: while(ata_disk_is_active()) ... |
| 20:13:13 | petur | ah |
| 20:13:36 | petur | told you it was a hack - you had to make a patch of it and publish it ;) |
| 20:13:36 | FrankOtto | eventually, some other thread forces the shutdown |
| 20:14:14 | FrankOtto | i noticed there is a loud noise on the forced shutdown (on the headphones), do you get that too? |
| 20:14:29 | petur | not using headphones wile testing |
| 20:14:35 | amiconn | There's a forced shutdown as a safety measure, in case some thread doesn't want to finish |
| 20:14:50 | FrankOtto | hey, i marked the patch as experimental ;) |
| 20:15:23 | FrankOtto | i guess it's because we miss the call to audiohw_close() in shutdown_hw() |
| 20:15:40 | FrankOtto | we never get there because of the loop |
| 20:15:42 | amiconn | That patch is clearly a hack; it would be useful to try and track down *why* the card doesn't like certain commands |
| 20:15:52 | amiconn | I still think it's timing... |
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| 20:16:22 | petur | amiconn: that is my intent |
| 20:16:24 | amiconn | That would be about my next field of experimentation if I were interested in putting a CF card in |
| 20:17:15 | scorche|w | amiconn: could you put your name down on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevCon2008 please? |
| 20:17:16 | amiconn | I will eventually do this with my H10 - but ata timing setup on PP needs further RE first, while coldfire ata is documented... |
| 20:17:50 | FrankOtto | Are there some ATA status registers that would help, after the failing ATA commands? |
| 20:18:17 | amiconn | scorche: I did not do so yet on purpose - I wanted to check whether I could offer free hosting first. |
| 20:18:54 | scorche|w | amiconn: alright...you could always put a "checking on ___ in progress" as well |
| 20:19:11 | amiconn | hmm |
| 20:19:44 | * | petur wonders if pixelma is going too |
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| 20:20:07 | scorche|w | petur: yeah...i am just asking as names come up at the moment |
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| 20:20:53 | pixelma | maybe, if it isn't too far away/expensiva/a hassle to get to the place. Already thought about putting my name into the list... |
| 20:20:59 | southernr | yo |
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| 20:24:00 | scorche|w | pixelma: it is my opinion that everyone who is even thinking about going should be on the list at least with a "thinking about it...very tentative" or some such comment |
| 20:24:36 | pixelma | yes, will do |
| 20:24:49 | FrankOtto | does some ATA guru now what "IORDY support" is? |
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| 20:26:01 | FrankOtto | i'm comparing the debug disk info between the HD and the CF; differences are: CF says "read-ahead unsupported" and "IORDY support: no" |
| 20:26:15 | southernr | does rockbox do anything about the 2 hour recording limit on 5th gen ipods? |
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| 20:27:41 | rasher | southernr: Check the manual. There are no artificial limits on recording |
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| 20:28:03 | petur | southernr: if recording is supported, then it is unlimited until disk full or battery empty. New file every 2GB without sample loss |
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| 20:30:03 | petur | amiconn: is the ata spec in our wiki or shall I google for it? |
| 20:30:08 | * | Llorean is going to get a new Passport this week, just in case it ends up international. |
| 20:30:42 | amiconn | I will certainly try to attend devcon even if it's outside europe, but explicitly excluding the US |
| 20:31:10 | petur | iceland! |
| 20:31:41 | amiconn | Why not? Apart from that, iceland is counted as part of europe afaik |
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| 20:31:54 | petur | and it is between US and EU |
| 20:32:10 | petur | a bit expensive on food and very expensive on drinks |
| 20:32:20 | petur | but very relaxed customs :) |
| 20:32:35 | FrankOtto | hmm... i just notice that the original ata_perform_sleep() still sets sleeping=true even if the ATA command fails. isn't that a bug? |
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| 20:33:33 | amiconn | petur: It is not because of the distance... could even imagine having devcon in .au |
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| 20:34:08 | petur | amiconn: expensive 24h trip though... |
| 20:34:54 | JdGordon|w | AU! |
| 20:35:17 | petur | amiconn: where do the values for set_features come from ( { 83, 3, 0x05, 0x80 } )? some spec? |
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| 20:36:40 | amiconn | Check the struct members... |
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| 20:38:00 | amiconn | That comes down to: Check word 83, bit 3. If bit is set, send SET_FEATURES command 0x05 value 0x80 |
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| 20:38:18 | amiconn | word == identify info word |
| 20:38:35 | petur | I got that far, it is the "command 0x05 value 0x80" I miss doc for |
| 20:38:53 | amiconn | See the SET_FEATURES command |
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| 20:39:30 | amiconn | 0x05 is 'enable advanced power management' |
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| 20:40:08 | amiconn | 0x80 is the value for that power management. Allowed range is 0x01..0xfe |
| 20:40:18 | amiconn | (lowest..highest) |
| 20:40:45 | amiconn | We use 0x80 and not 0x01 because values below 0x80 allow the disk to decide itself when to spin down & park |
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| 20:41:22 | petur | ah, found it in the CF spec |
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| 20:47:57 | FrankOtto | petur: you had crashes until you disabled ata_perform_sleep(), right? |
| 20:48:24 | petur | not really crashes, just hanging and no more reading afterwards |
| 20:48:33 | petur | ie empty dirs |
| 20:48:36 | FrankOtto | ah |
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| 20:48:58 | FrankOtto | I have modified ata_perform_sleep, so that it only sets sleeping=true if the ATA command succeeds |
| 20:49:13 | FrankOtto | with this, shutdown works normal |
| 20:49:35 | FrankOtto | so far, playing works too, no crashes/hangs yet, but... |
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| 20:50:10 | FrankOtto | ... at the moment where the disk would spin down (have set it to 5 seconds), the disk access LED comes on, and stays on :-/ |
| 20:50:38 | FrankOtto | the adapter itself has another LED, which however stays off. |
| 20:50:54 | FrankOtto | still the constantly on LED worries me... |
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| 20:52:05 | FrankOtto | well, if I do a real disk access, the LED turns off, but comes back on after 5s. |
| 20:53:48 | FrankOtto | petur: how soon did the hanging occur in your case? |
| 20:54:13 | petur | when the sleep command was given I'd say |
| 20:54:54 | FrankOtto | aha. well it survives that now, apart from the LED issue |
| 20:55:01 | amiconn | That's an important question I think - where does it hang exactly, and why |
| 20:55:37 | FrankOtto | amiconn: i still feel that the original behavior of perform_ata_sleep is buggy |
| 20:55:58 | FrankOtto | i don't think it should set sleeping=true even if the ATA command fails |
| 20:56:41 | FrankOtto | i guess that would cause problems, as then the driver thinks the disk is sleeping while it actually isn't. |
| 20:57:07 | amiconn | Very possible |
| 20:57:31 | amiconn | Did you check whether the card states that it supports the power management feature set? |
| 20:57:59 | petur | it does |
| 20:57:59 | FrankOtto | yes, it says so. (debug info) |
| 20:58:26 | petur | 83 = 400C |
| 20:58:29 | FrankOtto | also, if it didn't say so, we wouldn't even try the set-features call which eventually results in ATA error -80 |
| 20:58:32 | amiconn | Identify info word 82 bit 3 |
| 20:58:48 | amiconn | Not to confuse with the _advanced_ power management feature set |
| 20:58:56 | petur | 82 = 7008 |
| 20:59:05 | amiconn | Aha, hmm |
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| 20:59:17 | amiconn | Then I don't understand why CMD_SLEEP should fail |
| 20:59:31 | amiconn | Would be interesting to check the return values of that |
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| 21:00:09 | FrankOtto | right. at least CMD SLEEP seems to have the effect to turn the LED on :) |
| 21:00:44 | amiconn | Of course, as it's an ata command after all |
| 21:01:12 | FrankOtto | and the LED should turn off when the command completes, right? |
| 21:01:47 | amiconn | This can be observed on any hdd target with a real led - the led is lit during disk activity, then switches off, and when the rockbox disk timeout hits, comes on again for a short time because of the sleep command |
| 21:02:12 | amiconn | Targets where you can observe this: Archos Player, Archos recorders, Iriver H1x0 |
| 21:02:44 | amiconn | The soft led in the status bar on other targets is too slow to take notice |
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| 21:03:24 | FrankOtto | amiconn: so what does a constantly on LED mean? that somethings is sending ATA commands all the time? |
| 21:04:33 | amiconn | May be a hung command, or an error condition that's not acknowleedged |
| 21:04:43 | FrankOtto | i see |
| 21:04:57 | amiconn | That's why I suggested checking return values (of the command, i.e. in the ata registers) |
| 21:05:25 | * | amiconn wonders once more why standards aren't even self-consistent |
| 21:05:42 | FrankOtto | do you know how to do that? printing out the ata registers, i mean. |
| 21:06:27 | amiconn | The ata standard defines the power management feature set as mandatory, yet has a bit for checking whether it's supported, as well as some error returns (e.g. from CMD_SLEEP and CMD_STANDBY) telling that it's not supported |
| 21:06:29 | petur | amiconn: I tried 0x80, 0x01 and 0xFE for command 0x05 and they all fail |
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| 21:08:14 | petur | amiconn: should I also dump all identify regs? |
| 21:08:39 | amiconn | I have a patch that adds an item to dump the identify_info array to disk |
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| 21:08:51 | amiconn | *an item *to the debug menu* |
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| 21:09:07 | FrankOtto | oops, i have to recharge my iriver. be back later. |
| 21:09:33 | amiconn | http://amiconn.dyndns.org/dump_identify_info.diff |
| 21:10:07 | amiconn | (rather trivial stuff in fact) |
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| 21:10:39 | amiconn | A patched tree won't compile for Sansa or Ondio, btw |
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| 21:11:30 | drclanc | Hi i have a question |
| 21:12:06 | bluebrother | that's nice. |
| 21:12:30 | drclanc | Can I run rockbox on a M:robe |
| 21:12:47 | bluebrother | no. Not yet. |
| 21:12:59 | JdGordon|w | you can.. but you want get very far without tripping over |
| 21:13:09 | JdGordon|w | .. they arnt really designed as a running surface |
| 21:13:29 | bluebrother | well, you can hack it. You can't run it in terms of "use it as user". |
| 21:13:42 | * | BigBambi summarises - not easily unless you are a dev, or comfortable in hacking it |
| 21:13:48 | drclanc | What would it change, if I can rockbox |
| 21:13:58 | BigBambi | Everything |
| 21:14:06 | BigBambi | Rockbox is a replacement firmware |
| 21:14:19 | BigBambi | check www.rockbox.org for details of what it brings |
| 21:14:31 | amiconn | Also, define m:robe |
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| 21:14:33 | drclanc | ok thanks.... |
| 21:14:38 | bluebrother | we have a nice wiki page WhyRockbox which explains it a bit. |
| 21:14:41 | drclanc | Mrobe 500 |
| 21:14:46 | JdGordon|w | bluebrother: have you had any thoughts on the xml? or has the idea sort of died? |
| 21:15:04 | bluebrother | I haven't had too much time the last days for thinking about it. |
| 21:15:15 | JdGordon|w | drclanc: yes, you can run rockbox with a bit of trickery.. but you cant play music yet |
| 21:15:29 | bluebrother | I still like the idea of an editor, but I also think there are good reasons not to include one in rbutil |
| 21:16:44 | JdGordon|w | ... sticking it on the web could solve the "force a version" problem, it could grab the correct xml version striaght f svn :) |
| 21:17:22 | bluebrother | that could also be done by rbutil −− we're getting a bunch of info files already. |
| 21:17:43 | JdGordon|w | ok cool, then that should shut up the ney sayers :p |
| 21:18:31 | drclanc | I am asking because the original Firmware is very bad programmed and Linux very slow |
| 21:18:58 | petur | amiconn: http://petur.homedns.org:8080/identify_info.bin |
| 21:19:03 | Llorean | bluebrother: I'm curious why you think it shouldn't be in RBUtil (I wouldn't mind a separate app, or web based, but I like the idea of a way to PC-side edit the cfg) |
| 21:19:25 | bluebrother | we of course might have an issue here: if a user installs RB and say, wants to use only the config editor like 3 months later build and current xml wouldn't match anymore. |
| 21:19:37 | bluebrother | we could of course install the xml alongside the build |
| 21:20:01 | JdGordon|w | bluebrother: no.. grab it from http://svn.rockbox.org/.... |
| 21:20:04 | bluebrother | Llorean: well, I'm not completely sure if it really is a good idea to put a complete config editor into rbutil. |
| 21:20:09 | JdGordon|w | you can get the exact svn version |
| 21:20:18 | linuxstb | bluebrother: That would make more sense to me. |
| 21:20:29 | bluebrother | otoh, I'd kinda think that the challenge would be fun ;-) |
| 21:20:34 | * | petur discovers he doesn't have a hex editor on his linux laptop :/ |
| 21:20:37 | linuxstb | JdGordon|w: What about people (like most of us...) who compile their own builds? |
| 21:20:40 | Llorean | bluebrother: To address that, I think the "xml" should be made by the build system, and RBUtil should read it from the DAP, not the internet |
| 21:20:51 | Llorean | So it's always relevant to the specific build, and MORE importantly, to target-specific features |
| 21:20:55 | drclanc | jdGordon|w: what kind of trickery? |
| 21:20:59 | JdGordon|w | linuxstb: it would grab the svn version it was patched against |
| 21:21:00 | bluebrother | JdGordon|w: good point, but storing it on the player has the advantage that you don't need net to use the editor |
| 21:21:11 | linuxstb | JdGordon|w: And if the patch changed the settings code? |
| 21:21:17 | JdGordon|w | then your boned :p |
| 21:21:24 | JdGordon|w | bluebrother: ? |
| 21:21:27 | bluebrother | petur: try xxd from vim ;-) |
| 21:21:46 | JdGordon|w | drclanc: have you patched the mrobe firmware to run linux on it? |
| 21:21:57 | drclanc | yes |
| 21:22:01 | bluebrother | we don't support patched builds anyway ;-) |
| 21:22:13 | JdGordon|w | ok, then goto the wiki there should be install instructions.. |
| 21:22:14 | * | amiconn really wonders about that settings editor idea |
| 21:22:15 | bluebrother | but I think it would be better to install the xml on the player. |
| 21:22:21 | JdGordon|w | but its really not worth the effort |
| 21:22:22 | drclanc | OK! THANKS! |
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| 21:22:47 | BigBambi | The settings editor is especially useful whilst we have 'hidden' settings |
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| 21:23:17 | JdGordon|w | amiconn: we know your not going to use it.. so please, just sshh... it doesnt effect the rockbox bin at all, its 100% rbutil.. |
| 21:23:26 | * | linuxstb wouldn't mind rbutil being able to edit settings, as long as didn't mean maintaining two independent files defining them |
| 21:23:41 | amiconn | It does affect rockbox development though... |
| 21:23:45 | bluebrother | yep, the xml would need to be auto-created. |
| 21:23:46 | JdGordon|w | your over estimating the work needed to keep them in sync |
| 21:23:58 | linuxstb | JdGordon|w: Just think of FILES... |
| 21:24:08 | linuxstb | Dead easy, but everyone forgets it... |
| 21:24:14 | JdGordon|w | yes, true |
| 21:24:20 | petur | effort in the wrong direction imho |
| 21:24:26 | bluebrother | amiconn: in what way would that affect core development? |
| 21:24:37 | linuxstb | petur: I agree with that, but people do what they want... |
| 21:24:41 | amiconn | It detracts developers |
| 21:24:42 | Llorean | linuxstb: Whatever creates the definition file should do it from the source automatically, hopefully |
| 21:24:52 | * | petur agrees with amiconn |
| 21:24:56 | bluebrother | devs like me? ;-) |
| 21:25:04 | JdGordon|w | linuxstb: the solution to both is having a svn commit prehook which checks to make sure FILES/settings.xml is updated with the commit |
| 21:25:24 | bluebrother | creating the definition would _need_ to be done automatically. I don't consider anything else a feasible solution. |
| 21:25:49 | JdGordon|w | bluebrother: have you ever opened settings_list.c? I dare you to write a parser for it... |
| 21:25:57 | JdGordon|w | its NASTY@ |
| 21:26:03 | linuxstb | JdGordon|w: How would it know that the settings xml needed updating? e.g. if #defines somewhere in firmware/ have changed, or if a change to a settings file didn't in fact change the xml? |
| 21:26:09 | bluebrother | didn't you create that? ;-) |
| 21:26:24 | Llorean | linuxstb: The settings XML needs to be target specific anyway, so it should just update every build methinks |
| 21:26:51 | JdGordon|w | linuxstb: well we have that issue now anyway |
| 21:27:06 | JdGordon|w | Llorean: it doesnt.. it just needs to handle mutliple targets |
| 21:27:12 | JdGordon|w | which shouldnt be too difficult |
| 21:27:23 | linuxstb | JdGordon|w: What issue? There's no settings xml now... |
| 21:27:50 | JdGordon|w | changing values in one place and not updating settings_list.c or settings.h' |
| 21:27:55 | JdGordon|w | its happened before.. |
| 21:28:06 | linuxstb | Why would that be needed? |
| 21:28:10 | * | petur thinks the devs of GHex are braindead. Who presents hex data in 17 columns? |
| 21:28:33 | bluebrother | that sounds really braindead. |
| 21:28:34 | * | JdGordon|w thinks one of us is confused |
| 21:28:49 | Llorean | JdGordon|w: Well it needs to have different ranges for different targets, at least. |
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| 21:29:40 | bluebrother | there are two options: make a big file holding all values and use some mechanism to figure the correct values. Or use target-specific files |
| 21:29:57 | JdGordon|w | the first is the only viable one imo |
| 21:30:00 | bluebrother | thinking about it I'm getting the impression that target-specific files would be easier. |
| 21:30:28 | bluebrother | that file would need to get autocreated. That could be done during build, similar to rockbox-info.txt |
| 21:30:40 | JdGordon|w | not easily... |
| 21:30:45 | bluebrother | that way a build zip would also always include a matching xml |
| 21:30:52 | Llorean | I like target specific files. They can be included on the device, for outdated builds to be usable with the system. But that's me. |
| 21:31:02 | Llorean | bluebrother: During build is kinda "auto-created" (and how I see it working) :-P |
| 21:31:16 | bluebrother | well, IMO an autogeneration-mechanism is really needed. |
| 21:31:33 | bluebrother | Llorean: ;-) |
| 21:31:38 | petur | they would have to be on the device for this stuff to be usable imho |
| 21:31:44 | Llorean | Absolutely |
| 21:31:49 | * | JdGordon|w disagrees |
| 21:32:02 | amiconn | petur: That card reports to comply to ata-4 ... |
| 21:32:06 | Llorean | The other advantage is that if there's an on-device file describing the settings ranges, if someone decide to make a Music Management program, it has access to this data too. |
| 21:32:25 | drclanc | JdGordon|w: I found MrobLoad but how can I use it |
| 21:32:34 | drclanc | there is no introduction |
| 21:32:36 | JdGordon|w | i dont remember |
| 21:32:41 | amiconn | Our driver was written based on the ata-5 standard afaik |
| 21:32:59 | JdGordon|w | drclanc: just forget about rockbox untill its actaully working on the mr500 |
| 21:33:27 | bluebrother | hmm, when was the "charge during usb" setting introduced for the Ipods? Never seen that before. |
| 21:33:29 | drclanc | JdGordon|w: ok but only one question: is it then possible to play videos |
| 21:33:32 | JdGordon|w | _if_ we can wrestle gcc into giving us something parseable then autogenning and putting on the tartget would be workabel |
| 21:33:36 | JdGordon|w | no |
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| 21:33:40 | drclanc | ok |
| 21:33:49 | JdGordon|w | no sound, so no video |
| 21:34:02 | * | petur spots a new CF spec online |
| 21:34:28 | drclanc | thanks for the support |
| 21:34:45 | rasher | Llorean: and it could be used for context sensitive help in Rockbox as well |
| 21:34:56 | Llorean | rasher: Possibly |
| 21:35:03 | amiconn | Hmm, but the mini's microdrive also reports ata-4 only, and it works with our driver |
| 21:35:16 | JdGordon|w | can someone run settings_list.c through the cpp/gcc thing and dump its output? |
| 21:35:22 | bluebrother | rasher: nice idea −− but wouldn't that require manual work (i.e. adding the strings somewhere)? |
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| 21:36:03 | * | JdGordon|w still hugely against context sensitve help |
| 21:36:24 | rasher | bluebrother: Depends what kind of info the file includes (some sort of memory address or ID or something perhaps?) |
| 21:36:30 | Llorean | JdGordon|w: I think a help plugin, launchable from the context menu, wouldn't be particularly bad. |
| 21:36:49 | amiconn | I also don't like the idea of context sensitive help |
| 21:36:56 | petur | amiconn: this is the CF spec I use(d), just is the newer one, I had 4.0: http://petur.homedns.org:8080/cfspc4_1.pdf |
| 21:36:57 | rasher | What's *bad* about it? |
| 21:37:04 | JdGordon|w | no transaltion for one thing |
| 21:37:13 | rasher | Still better than nothing.. |
| 21:37:21 | amiconn | Our targets are embedded systems. |
| 21:37:27 | JdGordon|w | better than the manual?! |
| 21:37:42 | rasher | JdGordon|w: As I've explained a hundred times, users don't carry a printed manual everywhere they go |
| 21:37:43 | amiconn | There's always the manual |
| 21:37:52 | bluebrother | a plugins sounds like a nice idea to me. But to be really useable we would need to have translation support for plugins first. |
| 21:38:24 | bluebrother | rasher: well, Rockbox should be easy enough to use that you won't need a manual for daily use. |
| 21:38:30 | Llorean | I like the idea of as useful a help system as we can manage while impacting the core as little as possible, which is why I'm in favour of pluginizing the help if possible |
| 21:38:34 | amiconn | The manual could be included in the distribution, in a suitable format to be readable on the device |
| 21:38:37 | rasher | bluebrother: which context sensitive help would help achieve... |
| 21:38:42 | Llorean | bluebrother: We don't have translations of the manual yet, anyway |
| 21:39:10 | bluebrother | indeed, but that wouldn't be doable. Unless we get a team of translators. |
| 21:39:14 | Llorean | amiconn: And if it's in a plugin, why not let the plugin accept index strings of some sort, as parameters. Then let the UI pass them from a "Help" option in the context menu? |
| 21:39:29 | rasher | amiconn: Our targets may be embedded systems, but what does that have to do with anything? They're fully capable of loading text from the disk and displaying that. How is that an argument? |
| 21:39:31 | Llorean | bluebrother: Then why do plugins need translations for a translated manual? ;) |
| 21:40:04 | bluebrother | rasher: yes, but if we want to call Rockbox user-friendly the daily functionality should be useable without looking into some manual (or using some online help) |
| 21:40:09 | amiconn | rasher: Doing that explicitly, by means of a plugin is no problem |
| 21:40:21 | rasher | amiconn: Then we agree. |
| 21:40:35 | * | Llorean throws a party. |
| 21:40:35 | amiconn | Then it doesn't use additional resources when not in use |
| 21:40:47 | amiconn | But context sensitive help would need hooks in the core |
| 21:40:55 | pixelma | if someone things our manual should be put on the device in one way or the other, could he/she try to help out getting it more up to date, please? ;) |
| 21:40:56 | amiconn | ...and buffer ram for the text |
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| 21:41:16 | Llorean | amiconn: How much would be needed just to pass a string as a parameter and launch the plugin? |
| 21:41:43 | Llorean | Basically, "Open with..." type operation on menu items. |
| 21:41:50 | rasher | bluebrother: sure, but that doesn't mean context-sensitive help or manual-on-device won't make things even easier |
| 21:42:00 | bluebrother | right. |
| 21:42:07 | amiconn | (1) that would be needed everywhere you want to provide help. (2) Doing it that way would be even worse than making it more integrated |
| 21:42:08 | rasher | "We'd like to pretend there's nothing to be confused about" is a poor argument |
| 21:42:21 | amiconn | It would cause a spinup on *every* displayed help text |
| 21:42:28 | JdGordon|w | we could probably very easily pass the ID of the setting into the plugin |
| 21:42:28 | Llorean | amiconn: Why's that a problem? |
| 21:42:33 | bluebrother | hmm, how about adding the manual as txt to the device and then add a new "Manual" entry to the plugins menu that launches the text viewer opening that file? |
| 21:42:34 | JdGordon|w | very, very easily |
| 21:42:39 | amiconn | Because it costs lots of battery power |
| 21:42:45 | Llorean | amiconn: If people rarely need help, it's not bad. If people need help often, they should read the manual. :) |
| 21:42:48 | rasher | amiconn: so what, the user asked for help |
| 21:43:14 | rasher | I don't think he'll be mortified to learn that it costs a tiny amount of power |
| 21:43:22 | * | Llorean agrees |
| 21:43:29 | bluebrother | Llorean: well, if users need help often they should read the manual ;-) |
| 21:43:32 | JdGordon|w | someone send settings_list.c through cpp/gcc so it dumps the output like it does with features.txt and paste it please.... |
| 21:43:34 | Llorean | I dislike unnecessary spinups, but in this case, I think it's better than wasting the RAM. |
| 21:43:57 | amiconn | Llorean: I think we should do neither, and ditch the idea of context sensitive help |
| 21:44:00 | pixelma | bluebrother: got a "IllInstr" or something like that recently trying to open a too long text file (deutsch.lang) in Rockbox (on Ondio) |
| 21:44:37 | bluebrother | something we should consider ... people who need much help won't read an online help. Those kind of people usually don't read the manual as well ... |
| 21:44:43 | rasher | amiconn: What is your argument though? The spinup is a non-issue, seriuosly. Everything the user does costs battery power.. |
| 21:44:44 | amiconn | Btw, there would be quite some delay as well (on hdd targets) |
| 21:44:45 | bluebrother | pixelma: urgh. Sounds like a bug to me ;-) |
| 21:45:05 | rasher | amiconn: again, the user asked for something, I don't think he'll find it unreasonable that it takes a bit to fetch the info |
| 21:45:12 | JdGordon|w | amiconn: noone is suggesting automatic context help.. it would be with a button press |
| 21:45:27 | scorche|w | do we have enough room for more buttons? |
| 21:45:33 | rasher | JdGordon|w: actually, I was... but I've mostly abandoned the idea |
| 21:45:36 | scorche|w | s/buttons/button actions/ |
| 21:45:48 | JdGordon|w | we do in the setting screens |
| 21:45:50 | pixelma | bluebrother: could be a problem with the manual in text form too (well yes, currently) but I'm not sure, you'll have fun reading it in one txt anyways... |
| 21:45:50 | * | amiconn wonders how JdGordon will magiaclly make additional buttons appear |
| 21:45:50 | rasher | scorche|w: Not really, but we do have room in the context-menu |
| 21:45:57 | JdGordon|w | every target has at least one spare one |
| 21:46:06 | Llorean | scorche|w: That's why i was suggesting just making it an option in the context menu |
| 21:46:15 | amiconn | rasher: The issue is spinups or ram cost, plus binsize, plus delay. And rockbox isn't so cryptic that you can't get by without *context sensitive* help |
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| 21:46:40 | amiconn | So far I haven't seen any portable device that offers context sensitive help, and I think that's for a reason |
| 21:46:45 | amiconn | A good reason as well |
| 21:46:46 | preglow | JdGordon|w: oh? what button would it be on h120 for example? |
| 21:46:51 | JdGordon|w | so we shouldnt innovate? |
| 21:46:53 | rasher | amiconn: Ever seen a Nokia phone? |
| 21:47:05 | amiconn | yes |
| 21:47:08 | preglow | my sony mobile also does it |
| 21:47:17 | JdGordon|w | preglow: ion the setting screen the usual conext button is not used |
| 21:47:23 | Llorean | amiconn: We can eliminate most of the RAM cost and Binsize by making it a plugin. Spinups and battery life I think people can deal with if they need it badly. |
| 21:47:29 | pixelma | JdGordon|w: I don't believe your spare button statement |
| 21:47:41 | preglow | and this is one example where i would not mind functionality being in a plugin... |
| 21:47:53 | JdGordon|w | pixelma: see my answert to preglow |
| 21:47:54 | amiconn | You would still need the hooks |
| 21:48:01 | JdGordon|w | the hooks are tiny |
| 21:48:03 | Llorean | But they could be fairly minimal |
| 21:48:10 | bluebrother | JdGordon|w: then the user would need to remember that button ... |
| 21:48:23 | preglow | but really, how much useful info can we fit in? and will this be maintained? most devs don't really touch the manual, and i expect this to be the same |
| 21:48:24 | rasher | amiconn: you may not think Rockbox is cryptic, but you're not a user. You're a developer, and one who knows the guts of Rockbox very well. |
| 21:48:27 | scorche|w | and where would he find that button except...in the manual? |
| 21:48:42 | scorche|w | unless we want to have nice little reminder popups like windows |
| 21:48:46 | preglow | i'd rather people maintain the manual than add this stuff, really |
| 21:48:58 | JdGordon|w | but this isnt a manual replacement anyway... |
| 21:49:08 | * | JdGordon|w fails to see what useful info would be in the xml anyway |
| 21:49:12 | pixelma | JdGordon|w: what's the usual context button in the settings screen (just to be clear what you're thinking about, can't imagine atm) |
| 21:49:14 | rasher | I don't understand this manual vs. context-sensitive help thing. It's a completely false dichotomy |
| 21:49:16 | preglow | JdGordon|w: no, but it'll suffer from the same problems, outdated info, not everything covered, etc |
| 21:49:20 | scorche|w | it is hard enough to keep the manual current let alone both the manual and these help actions |
| 21:49:26 | amiconn | rasher: I even have to use a Nokia phone for work every now and then, and while I really hate those confusing menus (worse than any othe rmobile phone I used so far, and worse than rockbox as well), they do not offer context sensitive hep |
| 21:49:27 | Llorean | preglow: Well ideally, what we'd do is have something condense the manual for on-target reading via a plugin. Then let that plugin accept a parameter, that the UI can pass it, for context specific help. (In my mind this is the ideal, at least) |
| 21:49:29 | JdGordon|w | pixelma: the usual _list_ context button |
| 21:49:32 | preglow | rasher: it's not a manual vs context help, i just suspect it won't be maintained |
| 21:49:35 | bluebrother | so, how about adding a "manual" entry in the plugins menu to open it? |
| 21:49:38 | Llorean | preglow: Then, so long as the manual is maintained, and the appropriate anchors exist, it'll work |
| 21:49:47 | gevaerts | What does "Data abort at 00061180 (0)" mean ? I got it by adding __attribute__((packed)) to a struct |
| 21:49:50 | rasher | amiconn: They very much do, unless that phone is older than 6-7 years. It might be turned off though. |
| 21:50:00 | preglow | gevaerts: it means the cpu just did an unaligned access |
| 21:50:10 | preglow | gevaerts: arm needs data members aligned to their own size |
| 21:50:25 | preglow | gevaerts: packing a struct is asking for trouble on arm, unless gcc knows about that packing |
| 21:50:28 | pixelma | JdGordon|w: I'm sorry to not have that in mind, I still don't know what you mean but don't mind... |
| 21:50:50 | BigBambi | amiconn: Nokia phones certainly do - sit on an entry for a little bit and it'll pop up telling you what that option does |
| 21:51:03 | JdGordon|w | pixelma: even the ondio has a context menu in the browser doesnt it? |
| 21:51:10 | gevaerts | preglow: unfortunately I need to put odd-sized structs back-to-back for usb purposes... |
| 21:51:11 | bluebrother | we have a html version of the manual. What do you think about an extended txt viewer that can parse the links in the html and display the rest? |
| 21:51:24 | * | amiconn hasn't seen anything pop up on that phone |
| 21:51:46 | BigBambi | Every Nokia I have ever owned (8 different models) has done it |
| 21:51:52 | rasher | amiconn: As I said, it might be turned off, but I'm pretty sure every Series 40 phone has it, presumably also the rest |
| 21:51:55 | BigBambi | But anyway, a little OT |
| 21:51:55 | preglow | gevaerts: sounds weird that gcc doesn't make properly align-proof accesses if it knows about the struct packing |
| 21:52:13 | FrankOtto | petur: I found some specs for my CF card from the vendor directly, now i'm trying to make sense of the set_features command (EFh)... |
| 21:52:16 | pixelma | JdGordon|w: ok, now I see |
| 21:52:16 | preglow | gevaerts: worst case, you have to pick out the struct members byte by byte manually... |
| 21:52:43 | * | bluebrother checks his old phone |
| 21:52:46 | petur | FrankOtto: good. I got no response from A-Data |
| 21:52:50 | preglow | gevaerts: since bytes are always aligned to their own size |
| 21:53:10 | FrankOtto | ... my spec says that the arguments must be passed in the registers FR (features register) and DH (card/drive/head register) |
| 21:53:46 | gevaerts | preglow: I'll try memcpy. |
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| 21:53:56 | preglow | gevaerts: that should do nicely |
| 21:53:59 | FrankOtto | i'm wondering if this DH is the same as ATA_NSECTOR, which the rockbox code uses. any idea? |
| 21:53:59 | bluebrother | Nokia 6510 has an online help |
| 21:54:11 | preglow | gevaerts: as long as you're copying entire structs |
| 21:54:54 | gevaerts | preglow: Can't it handle inividual 2-byte members ? |
| 21:55:03 | preglow | gevaerts: as long as they're aligned to 2 bytes |
| 21:55:13 | preglow | gevaerts: ahh, forget that, yes it can |
| 21:55:41 | preglow | but it'll be slower than doing it byte by byte, but of course prettier, and does what you want just for testing |
| 21:55:49 | FrankOtto | petur: if you're interested, http://www.transcend.de/support/dlcenter/datasheet/Datasheet%20CF133_1GB_32GB_.pdf |
| 21:55:50 | amiconn | rasher: Not 100% sure what the exact type is, most probably an 5140 (massive outdoor brick thing) |
| 21:56:15 | * | preglow just stopped using his 5140 :) |
| 21:56:27 | preglow | that does not have a help system, afaik |
| 21:56:29 | FrankOtto | petur: ATA command set starts on page 52 |
| 21:56:31 | gevaerts | preglow: it's just 4 copies, once for every usb connection, so speed doesn't matter here |
| 21:56:47 | amiconn | My own mobile phone doesn't have context help either |
| 21:57:40 | preglow | anyway, it would be a nice feature if implemented properly, and that means devs will actually have to write good-quality help and update it |
| 21:57:48 | rasher | amiconn: Settings > Phone settings > Help text activation on the 5140. |
| 21:57:51 | * | bluebrother still uses 6100 −− the 6510 was getting sporadic dropout so he swapped |
| 21:58:27 | preglow | and translate it... |
| 21:58:43 | rasher | preglow: Well, the manual isn't translated either |
| 21:59:00 | preglow | no it's not, but the rest of rockbox is, you'd much more expect on-device help to be translate than the manual |
| 21:59:08 | preglow | +d |
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| 22:00:55 | amiconn | Imho an option should be understandable by its name. And if someone doesn't understand it even though the name was chosen carefully, I fail to see how a *necessarily* short help text would clarify that |
| 22:01:06 | ConstyXIV | is there a reason my sansa c200 resets when I plug in the USB? |
| 22:01:19 | amiconn | I wouldn't mind an html viewer at all though, that's an entirely different thing |
| 22:01:22 | preglow | amiconn: rockbox has some truly whacky options that aren't easily explained by the name |
| 22:01:23 | rasher | amiconn: What? You don't see how a sentence could explain more than a single word or a few? |
| 22:01:43 | preglow | "dithering", for example, heh |
| 22:01:44 | amiconn | And if we have that, we could of course ship the manual in the .zip |
| 22:02:12 | * | rasher got creative when translating Crossfeed |
| 22:02:33 | preglow | i don't even remember what i translated that to, but it's not very easily understandable |
| 22:02:35 | gevaerts | ConstyXIV: rockbox doesn't support usb properly yet, so it reboots back to the OF |
| 22:02:38 | pixelma | ConstyXIV: what do you mean? It should boot into the original firmware for the USB connection currently |
| 22:02:43 | ConstyXIV | ah |
| 22:02:45 | ConstyXIV | i see |
| 22:02:58 | ConstyXIV | that's what i figured |
| 22:04:12 | preglow | but no, what would the smallest possible overhead be per setting for this? just a small id integer added to each setting? |
| 22:06:06 | JdGordon|w | preglow: there is no extra overhead needed.... each setting already has a unique ID |
| 22:06:13 | JdGordon|w | the LANG_ identifier |
| 22:06:19 | preglow | so just the overhead for calling the plugin, then? |
| 22:06:34 | JdGordon|w | yes |
| 22:06:44 | rasher | And making all menu entries have a context-menu |
| 22:06:51 | JdGordon|w | no |
| 22:07:06 | rasher | Ah, you're on the "secret button press" team |
| 22:07:12 | JdGordon|w | umm... i was going to put it in the setting screen... but in the menu would be ok also |
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| 22:07:27 | JdGordon|w | rememver how brilliantly geeric the menu code is? the extra code is tiny |
| 22:07:40 | JdGordon|w | BUT that file (the way i see it) wont be usefull for this anyway |
| 22:07:52 | pixelma | well there are context menus in the main menu - how would you access the help there? |
| 22:07:56 | rasher | JdGordon|w: it'd be the obvious place to store the text though |
| 22:08:06 | JdGordon|w | not if you want the file autogened |
| 22:08:18 | JdGordon|w | but yes, it would |
| 22:08:40 | JdGordon|w | actually.... we could have it autogenned from the .c and a txt file elsewhere with the info |
| 22:08:44 | rasher | JdGordon|w: The file could be autogenned and pull the text from elsewhere (<help> field in the translation?) |
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| 22:08:50 | JdGordon|w | snap! |
| 22:09:15 | * | rasher thinks again |
| 22:09:37 | bluebrother | hmm, but that would increase the size of the lang files |
| 22:09:46 | JdGordon|w | no it wouldnt... |
| 22:09:53 | bluebrother | oh no, not if it's left out upon creation |
| 22:10:02 | * | bluebrother tired |
| 22:10:21 | JdGordon|w | the .lang would grow, but the .lng would be the same |
| 22:10:22 | rasher | Putting the translation into the file directly wouldn't work, unless you want the file to be huge |
| 22:10:34 | rasher | (containing all translations at once) |
| 22:10:42 | petur | FrankOtto, amiconn: CF 4.1 spec says SET_FEATURES uses Command, SecCnt and Feature. Transcend specifies Card/Drive/Head. This must be a fault in the transcend datasheet, right? |
| 22:10:44 | preglow | keep in mind whatever system you implement will have to tackle being target dependent |
| 22:10:47 | FrankOtto | petur: ok, page 71 of my spec details the SET_FEATURE command. it says it supports the 0x05 feature (advanced power management), which rockbox's set_features() tries to set. but it doesn't say what it makes of the additional parameter (rockbox sends 0x80), maybe it doesn't care? |
| 22:10:54 | preglow | on of course, translation would be nice |
| 22:11:10 | rasher | Actually, storing it in an xml file would be absolutely braindead. |
| 22:11:28 | rasher | Ignore everything I've ever said. |
| 22:11:29 | bluebrother | yep. |
| 22:11:39 | bluebrother | except if you'd use that xml file for rbutil |
| 22:11:40 | JdGordon|w | ... 2 seperate issues though... |
| 22:11:41 | rasher | Could be build in parallel with the xml though |
| 22:11:51 | FrankOtto | petur: i think the overview on p52 of transcend's spec is wrong, the detailed spec on p71 says it uses "sec cnt" for the argument.. |
| 22:12:23 | petur | aha |
| 22:12:26 | FrankOtto | ... but it also needs bit 4 in C/D/H set to "drive". i still need to find out what that means. |
| 22:12:50 | JdGordon|w | rasher: context sensitive issue actuallly has nothing to do with what the .xml was for, and doesnt need that to work... save it as help.<language>.txt and a plyugin can read it easily |
| 22:12:56 | petur | FrankOtto: those pages are an exact copy of the CF 4 spec ;) |
| 22:13:49 | rasher | JdGordon|w: yeah, I was just reminded in an "oh, if we already have a file with menu info on the device" sort of way |
| 22:13:50 | petur | except for the feature tables which they removed |
| 22:14:21 | * | amiconn should probably accept what rasher offered, stop talking about useless feature creep, and try to get some of his todo's actually done :\ |
| 22:14:47 | FrankOtto | petur: i see. i think c/d/h correspons to rockbox's ATA_SELECT |
| 22:15:00 | rasher | amiconn: we'll commit it when you're not looking |
| 22:15:21 | preglow | amiconn: well, at least when it doesn't really entail any big overhead in bin size or other things... |
| 22:15:32 | preglow | i'd prefer it if people just beefed up the manual, but hey, that's me |
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| 22:16:05 | FrankOtto | petur: so the CF-4 spec also says that "drive" should be set for the SET_FEATURES command? |
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| 22:16:39 | petur | FrankOtto: http://petur.homedns.org:8080/cfspc4_1.pdf |
| 22:17:06 | micols_ | are all ipod nano's supported by rockbox? i had a few issues with flac playback, and it didnt even play mp3's correctly last time i tried (about 1year ago) |
| 22:17:10 | pixelma | this is somehow ironic, thinking of last weeks discussion about... a feature |
| 22:17:15 | micols_ | its a ipod nano white 4gb |
| 22:17:26 | preglow | micols_: works fine for me |
| 22:17:35 | preglow | micols_: depends what you mean "all features", though |
| 22:17:41 | petur | FrankOtto: I was saying the detailed stuff (page 71) is copied from the CF spec |
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| 22:18:05 | micols_ | preglow: do you have a white 4gb? |
| 22:18:06 | FrankOtto | petur: thanks, dling the cf-spec now :) |
| 22:18:10 | micols_ | if so , can i try your config ? |
| 22:18:11 | preglow | micols_: white 2gb |
| 22:18:13 | micols_ | hm |
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| 22:18:18 | micols_ | not good for me then :( |
| 22:18:26 | preglow | micols_: it runs the same rockbox... |
| 22:18:35 | preglow | micols_: anyway, my config is very basic, i pretty much run default rockbox |
| 22:18:41 | micols_ | okay |
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| 22:18:43 | preglow | so it won't help you far |
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| 22:18:52 | micols_ | couldnt get rockbox to work on linux anyway :( |
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| 22:18:58 | micols_ | only the windows installer worked |
| 22:19:01 | preglow | micols_: try again, should be simpler now |
| 22:19:04 | preglow | if not, tell us |
| 22:19:12 | micols_ | okay |
| 22:19:14 | bluebrother | Rockbox Utility is available for linux ... what was your problem? |
| 22:19:15 | FrankOtto | petur: i'm pretty sure now that "drive" means master (0) or slave (1). at least that's how rockbox uses it. |
| 22:19:19 | preglow | i'm the guy that ported to nano in the first place, so anything you think doesn't work is of course interesting |
| 22:19:27 | rasher | bluebrother: this was a year ago |
| 22:19:30 | pixelma | bluebrother: last year? |
| 22:19:38 | micols_ | uhm i had a problem that it couldnt find my ipod at first iirc and then it found it but it didnt work, i dont completely remember |
| 22:19:50 | micols_ | i found out how to make it find my ipod.. but it still didnt install. |
| 22:19:51 | preglow | micols_: using ipodpatcher these days is dead simple |
| 22:19:58 | preglow | micols_: we also have rbutil if you want a gui |
| 22:20:12 | * | bluebrother missed that. |
| 22:21:33 | FrankOtto | petur: i'm also pretty sure that's not the culprit, as it's uses all over the place in the ata code, rockbox takes care to set this right. |
| 22:21:46 | micols_ | im not sure my ipod nano is a first-gen, but it might be. its a 4gb white. |
| 22:21:57 | micols_ | and i bought it almost when it came out iirc. |
| 22:22:02 | bluebrother | if it isn't a 1st gen it won't run Rockbox ;-) |
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| 22:22:15 | pixelma | isn't the rbutil linux binary that's still available in the wiki the one with the bug in the "complete installation"? |
| 22:22:24 | micols_ | that might have been the problem bluebrother ... it did run, but everything was slowed down |
| 22:22:30 | micols_ | couldnt even play mp3's at full speed |
| 22:22:39 | micols_ | and flac was even worse |
| 22:22:48 | micols_ | videos worked fine, however. |
| 22:23:00 | micols_ | and the buffer-stats page seemed ok. |
| 22:23:10 | preglow | micols_: if rockbox ran _at all_ it's a first gen |
| 22:23:17 | micols_ | okay :) |
| 22:23:32 | preglow | whatever method you tried to install rockbox would probably have puked like crazy if you tried to feed it anything else |
| 22:23:35 | micols_ | just weird it couldnt even play mp3's at fullspeed, is there no such known issue? |
| 22:23:49 | preglow | micols_: plays mp3s like a bastard here, and anything else i give it |
| 22:23:56 | micols_ | :) |
| 22:24:01 | micols_ | ill retry it then |
| 22:24:06 | preglow | won't hurt |
| 22:24:14 | preglow | at least i hope it won't :) |
| 22:24:37 | gevaerts | Why does linux lie to me ? It says that my configuration desciptor reports 1 interface, but rockbox puts 2 in the descriptor, and a usbmon trace agrees |
| 22:24:51 | preglow | gevaerts: perhaps that too hates you know :/ |
| 22:24:58 | preglow | now, at least |
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| 22:26:04 | micols_ | where do I get the linux-installer, i'd prefer that over non-gui right now, as im tired :) |
| 22:26:22 | micols_ | I only got a .zip |
| 22:26:32 | bluebrother | micols_: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxUtility has the links |
| 22:26:59 | scorche|w | preglow: can you please make sure and add your name to http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DevCon2008 ? |
| 22:27:37 | preglow | scorche|w: right |
| 22:27:48 | crzyboyster | OK, so I started making a theme using viewports, but I want to use more than one font. I read somewhere that you can define two fonts currently, the font being used in the wps and the system font. How would I define this in the code using the viewports sim/build? |
| 22:27:49 | micols_ | ./rbutilqt: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by ./rbutilqt) damn :( |
| 22:28:31 | bluebrother | well, you can still build it yourself from soures. It's rather easy if you have the toolchain and Qt4 installed |
| 22:29:52 | crzyboyster | And why does the hold button not change after it's been activated? |
| 22:30:00 | micols_ | i compiled it last time from svn, perhaps i got a broken version, since it didnt even play mp3s :) |
| 22:31:24 | preglow | scorche|w: done |
| 22:31:25 | micols_ | it was very nice except for that, hope it works this time. |
| 22:32:32 | scorche|w | preglow: and tickets are more insane from US > europe than vice-versa me thinks.. ;) |
| 22:32:34 | preglow | micols_: well, leech yourself a daily build and you won't have to |
| 22:32:57 | preglow | scorche|w: nah, norway taxes make prices extra snappy from this direction |
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| 22:33:28 | scorche|w | they even out the currency exchange rate? |
| 22:34:04 | preglow | Ãperhaps, i haven't checked too closely anyway, cheaper fares probably pop up if i do and go along with flying Air Afghanistan or something |
| 22:34:28 | bluebrother | doesn't sound very trustworthy. |
| 22:34:53 | * | bluebrother checked the distance to petur's place today −− could even travel by train |
| 22:34:54 | preglow | it also happens to be made up :P |
| 22:35:07 | FrankOtto | petur: by any chance, have you tried sending other powermgmt levels than 0x80 ? |
| 22:35:16 | petur | yes |
| 22:35:22 | preglow | if devcon ends up in belgium and i attend, you're all responsible for keeping my (somewhat) sober :) |
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| 22:35:23 | FrankOtto | any luck? |
| 22:35:26 | petur | none |
| 22:35:28 | preglow | my/me |
| 22:35:35 | FrankOtto | :-( |
| 22:35:37 | BigBambi | I was in Niger working in 2005 - I had the choice between Air France, Air Morocco and Air Libya (via Tripoli) to get there |
| 22:35:42 | BigBambi | It was a choice of two... |
| 22:35:43 | petur | preglow: :) |
| 22:37:01 | * | BigBambi votes for Belgium - a short train ride for me :) |
| 22:37:07 | BigBambi | + beer! |
| 22:37:12 | preglow | oh yes, the beer |
| 22:37:13 | preglow | beercon |
| 22:37:16 | * | scorche|w checks flight prices to belgium |
| 22:37:19 | BigBambi | hel yes |
| 22:37:23 | BigBambi | *hell |
| 22:37:31 | preglow | helles yes |
| 22:37:34 | BigBambi | I'm practically in Belgium anyway |
| 22:38:17 | preglow | westmallecon |
| 22:38:25 | bluebrother | preglow: in case devcon ends up in the us why not have an additional rockbox-enabled beercon? ;-) |
| 22:38:35 | BigBambi | ChimayCon |
| 22:38:46 | preglow | bluebrother: if it ends up in the us and i'm attending, there's _no way in hell_ you're keeping me sober :P |
| 22:38:48 | BigBambi | Gentlemen, choose your colour |
| 22:38:55 | scorche|w | OUCH |
| 22:39:15 | * | scorche|w sees a 1400USD flight ticket |
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| 22:40:06 | scorche|w | preglow: still think belgium > US is cheaper? =/ |
| 22:40:09 | preglow | scorche|w: that's the price range we're talking, yeah |
| 22:40:47 | bluebrother | 1400 USD to US or to belgium? |
| 22:40:59 | scorche|w | to belgium |
| 22:41:14 | bluebrother | ouch :( |
| 22:41:48 | scorche|w | but i would have to look around once a place is more defined...it is sometimes cheaper to plan a bunch of small flights to major hubs than a direct flight to one area |
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| 22:42:03 | BigBambi | Hmm, Paris to NY is looking at €470 here for Fri to Mon mid June |
| 22:42:04 | scorche|w | especially when you use EU flight sites... |
| 22:42:27 | scorche|w | BigBambi: 686 USD |
| 22:42:35 | BigBambi | yeah |
| 22:42:42 | scorche|w | a bit if a difference.. |
| 22:42:55 | * | BigBambi struggles to spell Brussels in French to check that |
| 22:43:33 | scorche|w | from me to de gaulle is 1462USD |
| 22:43:44 | BigBambi | €440 for that - and I'm closer to Bruxelles |
| 22:43:52 | amiconn | scorche: added. |
| 22:44:38 | * | scorche|w makes a note to refrain from eating and to live in his car for a month so he can afford devcon |
| 22:44:52 | * | petur gtg |
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| 22:45:48 | BigBambi | Jesus - of that €440 Bruxelles to NY, €247,00 is flights, €189 is tax |
| 22:46:02 | BigBambi | ffs, that is insane |
| 22:46:38 | * | gevaerts is now copying data using the new transfer descriptor handling scheme |
| 22:46:50 | rasher | gevaerts: \o/ |
| 22:46:54 | BigBambi | yay gevaerts |
| 22:46:58 | * | preglow throws confetti |
| 22:47:04 | rasher | gevaerts: Closer to serial? |
| 22:47:12 | scorche|w | BigBambi: ok...you can take the 1400USD payment...i will pay twice your rate |
| 22:47:19 | micols_ | how do i set my ipod into disk mode (nano ) , i got the boot loader onto it now |
| 22:47:27 | micols_ | but it wont find it anymore, it is in rockbox mainmenu |
| 22:47:28 | gevaerts | rasher: serial works, or ums works. Still not both. |
| 22:47:38 | BigBambi | scorche|w: Those flight costs for you are madness |
| 22:47:50 | gevaerts | I hope this one reduces or eliminates the resets |
| 22:48:06 | scorche|w | BigBambi: hence why i have been saying the whole time about the US dollar... |
| 22:48:11 | preglow | gevaerts: so still no idea why the resets? |
| 22:48:30 | Bagder | scorche|w: dollar or not, 1400 USD is MUCH more than 470 euros |
| 22:48:50 | scorche|w | well, his cost was france > belgium i think |
| 22:48:59 | scorche|w | not france to us |
| 22:49:13 | BigBambi | scorche|w: Oh, I agree that the US would be overall cheaper, and I have no problem with going there - my EU preference is purely selfish about how much *I* would have to pay - €440 flight vs €50 train |
| 22:49:23 | scorche|w | BigBambi: how much is it from france to the US using one of the french sites? |
| 22:49:24 | gevaerts | preglow: the transfers were handled in a pretty hacky way, so I wouldn't be surprised if that caused them. I'll know soon(ish) |
| 22:49:38 | BigBambi | scorche: That was France to US, then Belgium to US |
| 22:49:54 | krazykit | micols_, that is covered in the manual |
| 22:50:02 | scorche|w | 440 euro was?!?! |
| 22:50:06 | BigBambi | France - US €470, Belgium - US €440 on a French site (www.govayages.fr) |
| 22:50:11 | scorche|w | oh wow..... |
| 22:50:28 | BigBambi | For me (Lille) to Belgium is €50 odd on the train |
| 22:50:36 | scorche|w | BigBambi: well, either way with the opposition and resistance that has been happening against having a devcon in the US, i would bet it will end up in the EU somewhere... |
| 22:50:50 | amiconn | If we'll have devcon in belgium, I'd probably go by car |
| 22:50:55 | scorche|w | Bagder: you agree? |
| 22:51:16 | preglow | gevaerts: cool, exciting :) |
| 22:51:41 | Bagder | scorche|w: agree to your bet? |
| 22:51:45 | preglow | amiconn: i'll need a car for beer transportation anyway ;) |
| 22:51:48 | crzyboyster | Can somebody please take a look at this wps code > http://pastebin.com/d19161dc3 and tell me what I'm doing that makes the hold switch icon activated even when turned off? It uses viewports commands by the way... |
| 22:52:05 | scorche|w | Bagder: well, my current view on the situation |
| 22:52:06 | BigBambi | scorche|w: As I say, my EU preference is purely selfish - €470 France to Us compared to €50 France to Belgium - I completely agree that EU to US is overall cheaper |
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| 22:52:44 | gevaerts | preglow: I hoped the same thing tuesday, but that one didn't work out. |
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| 22:52:48 | Bagder | I see tickets for ~380 euros from stockholm to NY |
| 22:52:52 | BigBambi | And I mistyped - www.govoyages.fr |
| 22:52:54 | scorche|w | even with the price difference, it simply isnt worth it if people will outright refuse to attend in the US |
| 22:53:24 | BigBambi | I have only selfish monitory reasons :) |
| 22:53:46 | preglow | Bagder: with what airline? |
| 22:53:51 | Bagder | klm |
| 22:54:07 | FrankOtto | amiconn: you said earlier that the powermgmt value 0x80 is chosen such that the disk won't go into standby, right? |
| 22:54:08 | Bagder | but I just checked the rate I can get right now, not for any later date |
| 22:54:39 | micols_ | it didnt reboot into disk mode as it should krazykit |
| 22:54:45 | micols_ | but it worked now, after a reboot of it. |
| 22:54:49 | BigBambi | I checked for buying now for fri - mon mid June, and got €440 bruxelles - JFK, NY |
| 22:55:16 | scorche|w | that is just plain mad |
| 22:55:35 | BigBambi | And as I say, 40% of that is tax :) |
| 22:55:38 | preglow | Bagder: rates are almost certainly higher in june |
| 22:56:02 | preglow | but if someone has a place for me to crash until then :) |
| 22:56:03 | scorche|w | BigBambi: even if 200% was tax, it would still be cheaper =/ |
| 22:56:03 | Bagder | yeah, then it is roughly 480 |
| 22:56:09 | BigBambi | Although if I was going all the way to NY I would probably want to stay for a bit longer |
| 22:56:16 | amiconn | Lowest I found for Berlin->NY was ~810 EUR (in June) |
| 22:56:22 | * | BigBambi remembers he has a friend that has just emigrated to NY |
| 22:57:09 | amiconn | FrankOtto: yes |
| 22:57:42 | FrankOtto | amiconn: i now read in the CF spec that for CF sleep mode and standby mode are the same... |
| 22:58:01 | amiconn | Rockbox should retain control over when the disk spins down. Otherwise the setting wouldn't make sense |
| 22:58:15 | amiconn | For cf it probably doesn't matter at all |
| 22:58:37 | FrankOtto | probably, as there's nothing to spin down |
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| 22:58:56 | amiconn | But the card shouldn't fail on that command, i.e. it should adhere to the specs |
| 22:59:43 | amiconn | Unless we're doing something wrong - but I fail to see what that could be in case of programming the advanced power management feature |
| 22:59:49 | FrankOtto | the spec says: on SLEEP, card sets BSY, then enters SLEEP, then clears BSY, then generates an interrupt. huh. |
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| 22:59:54 | amiconn | The card claims to support it |
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| 23:00:31 | FrankOtto | i still wonder how i can "output" the ATA status registers. |
| 23:00:45 | FrankOtto | is it safe to update the screen from inside the ATA code? |
| 23:01:21 | FrankOtto | any advice? |
| 23:01:30 | amiconn | You could use logf() |
| 23:01:49 | amiconn | That is, if the error doesn't freeze the whole device |
| 23:02:06 | amiconn | You need to be able to at least enter the debug menu and view the logf buffer |
| 23:02:35 | FrankOtto | no, at the moment, my device fails the SLEEP command, but apart from a constantly-on LED, it keeps working |
| 23:03:01 | FrankOtto | so accessing the debug menu will be possible |
| 23:03:14 | FrankOtto | thanks for advice, i'll try this |
| 23:06:23 | FrankOtto | amiconn: what might also be of interest: the CF spec says that the SLEEP behaviour is slightly different from the ATA spec, namely the device will enter SLEEP by itself when some internal timer expires, and this timer defaults to 5msec for CF, and ATA uses a different timer value (they don't say which one) |
| 23:09:15 | * | gevaerts notices that fligh prices are extremely sensitives to all sorts of variables. They are much cheaper if you don't fly back the same week... |
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| 23:12:18 | FrankOtto | amiconn: would dumping ATA_STATUS, ATA_ALT_STATUS & ATA_ERROR suffice? |
| 23:12:29 | * | scorche|w would like to see a statistical workup/chart/formula for flight prices |
| 23:13:21 | rasher | scorche|w: That would probably get you disappeared faster than inventing free energy |
| 23:13:43 | * | gevaerts starts working on this free energy thing |
| 23:13:46 | BigBambi | scorche|w: Would be good, but perhaps only useful if a central fund were paying - otherwise it is going to be purely what costs me less |
| 23:14:18 | scorche|w | BigBambi: i meant more for the variables gevaerts mentioned |
| 23:14:43 | BigBambi | scorche|w: Blimey |
| 23:14:52 | BigBambi | That is a little complicated! |
| 23:15:11 | BigBambi | I thought of just who is coming from where + prices |
| 23:15:52 | scorche|w | naw...that is easy to work up |
| 23:16:03 | preglow | gevaerts: any resets spotted yet? :> |
| 23:16:40 | gevaerts | preglow: unfortunately yes. Followd by an error that caused a disconnect, so this is actually worse than before |
| 23:18:06 | gevaerts | The good news is that it was after writing 280MB |
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| 23:21:15 | micols_ | How do I remove the original apple firmware, I dont like "dual-boot" ? |
| 23:21:25 | gevaerts | At this point I think that the version in svn is the most stable, and the one I have here is technically the cleanest (but it's not ready yet) |
| 23:21:34 | micols_ | including all original apple files, i removed the Notes, iPod_Control etc. |
| 23:21:42 | micols_ | and took backup of my music. |
| 23:22:11 | micols_ | I want to do it after i have added the rockbox bootloader+files.. i dont want to dd it and remove all files, only apple files |
| 23:22:14 | preglow | gevaerts: well, here's hoping there are still bugs :> |
| 23:22:54 | * | gevaerts thinks that preglow's hope might come true |
| 23:22:59 | preglow | micols_: there's not much point in removing the apple firmware apart from freeing thirty megs of flash space or so |
| 23:23:10 | preglow | micols_: can't remember exactly how to permanently remove it, though |
| 23:23:17 | * | preglow thinks linuxstb__ knows |
| 23:23:25 | micols_ | its probably dd with bs and count from to bytes |
| 23:23:31 | micols_ | on the firmware partition |
| 23:23:39 | bluebrother | you can install the bootloader into the firmware partition instead of adding it to the image |
| 23:23:54 | micols_ | perhaps i should just clear my firmware partitition completely |
| 23:23:59 | bluebrother | speeds up booting a tiny bit. |
| 23:24:04 | micols_ | with dd and re-install rockbox bootloader onto it again. |
| 23:24:34 | bluebrother | you can install the bootloader directly using ipodpatcher |
| 23:24:45 | micols_ | ipodpatcher does only mess with firmware partition right? |
| 23:24:52 | bluebrother | yes. |
| 23:25:15 | preglow | micols_: but to make any point at all to removing retailos, you pretty much need to resize the firmware partition |
| 23:25:16 | micols_ | ill try dd'ing the sdc1 and installing bootloader again. then i should get rid of apple. |
| 23:25:37 | micols_ | yeah preglow , i know. well, i just want to get rid of apple at this moment :) |
| 23:25:50 | micols_ | somewhere in the future it should be resized, when i get the time :) |
| 23:25:50 | FrankOtto | amiconn: my debug menu doesn't show a logf entry at all. does that need some special build option? |
| 23:26:04 | bluebrother | you'd still see the apple logo ... |
| 23:26:10 | micols_ | i would get around 75MB space, perhaps up to 80M |
| 23:26:21 | micols_ | if the bootloader is only 512 bytes :) |
| 23:26:43 | micols_ | bluebrother: why? |
| 23:26:50 | micols_ | is it coded into rockbox? |
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| 23:27:05 | bluebrother | the bootloader is bigger than 512 bytes. The bootsector is 512 bytes. |
| 23:27:16 | gevaerts | FrankOtto: yes. say Advanced to configure, and then choose Logf. Don't forget to enable logf in the files from which you want output |
| 23:27:18 | bluebrother | because that part is in flash memory of the Ipod |
| 23:27:29 | micols_ | ah.. thought so, like the disk-only mode |
| 23:27:33 | FrankOtto | gevaerts: thanks! |
| 23:27:39 | bluebrother | the flash also contains the emergency disc mode |
| 23:28:07 | bluebrother | and that's quite a good security net to not brick your Ipod. |
| 23:28:18 | micols_ | its not possible to edit the flash memory using usb? |
| 23:28:30 | micols_ | put a pizza-slice in instead of the apple i.e. |
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| 23:29:08 | bluebrother | well, if you figure out how the flash works and are comfortable with the risk bricking your Ipod, feel free to try ;-) |
| 23:29:09 | micols_ | its probably ROM, so its not writeable or? |
| 23:29:26 | bluebrother | it is writeable. Itunes writes this on updates afaik. |
| 23:29:40 | micols_ | ah yeah, seems right |
| 23:29:55 | gevaerts | But you can probably only do it wrong once... |
| 23:30:00 | FrankOtto | gevaerts: with "enable logf" you mean #include "logf.h" ? |
| 23:30:05 | micols_ | hehe yeah. |
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| 23:30:35 | gevaerts | FrankOtto: most files have a commented out #define LOGF_ENABLE near the top. That needs to be activated. |
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| 23:31:07 | FrankOtto | ah, i'll check |
| 23:31:14 | bluebrother | anyway, gtg now. cu. |
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| 23:31:51 | micols_ | i just replaced my nano battery, almost melted the board with 290C :D |
| 23:32:02 | micols_ | but works fine.. 18hrs instead of 1hour battery time now |
| 23:32:26 | micols_ | i dont look forward to the next time. |
| 23:33:43 | keanu | JdGordon|w, any ideas on the cause of bug in lists using viewports (FS #8457) in which scrolling contents aren't cleared when going to another screen? |
| 23:34:38 | JdGordon|w | yes, the scrolling isnt stopped |
| 23:36:08 | keanu | any ideas on what causes it to not be stopped (and how could it be fixed?) |
| 23:38:08 | gevaerts | I'm doing another copy. It's now copied 450MB of files to the sansa without any resets, and still going. |
| 23:38:18 | JdGordon|w | display->dtop_scrol() isnt being called |
| 23:38:35 | micols_ | The sound is working fine now.. must have gotten a bad svn version. |
| 23:38:47 | FrankOtto | umpf. my logf output contains only garbage :( |
| 23:39:33 | gevaerts | I guess that means I was right about the cause of these resets, but as long as it fails hard sometimes it can't really be called better than the previous code... |
| 23:39:41 | gevaerts | FrankOtto: what kind of garbage ? |
| 23:40:42 | keanu | where would display->dtop_scrol() need to be placed for it to work? |
| 23:41:24 | FrankOtto | gevaerts: binary garbage :) |
| 23:41:55 | FrankOtto | I suspect I just install the complete build and not just RoLo the new rockbox.iriver... |
| 23:43:20 | gevaerts | FrankOtto: I think I have used a new rockbox.mi4 with logf enabled in an install where it was not, but I'm not sure |
| 23:44:08 | JdGordon|w | keanu: everywhere its missing obviously... |
| 23:44:17 | * | JdGordon|w not in a helpful mood atm. busy |
| 23:44:26 | keanu | ok, sorry |
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| 23:46:07 | EnterUserName | hey all |
| 23:47:01 | gevaerts | Could someone with a non-3G ipod who is using linux do a quick test for me ? I would like to verify if this high-speed USB issue is really portalplayer related, and not just sansa. |
| 23:47:36 | gevaerts | Being able to compile your own builds with current svn is a requirement |
| 23:48:09 | keanu | I'd be able to help, except I only have a sansa |
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| 23:48:49 | FrankOtto | gevaerts: it doesn't make a difference, a complete install shows the same logf garbage |
| 23:49:13 | FrankOtto | e.g. the hexdump starts with "31 11 a2 6c 31 11 a2 70 31 11 a2 74 31 11 a2 78" |
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| 23:49:29 | gevaerts | FrankOtto: interesting. I don't know much about logf, but from what I saw of the code it shouldn't be able to generate that itself |
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| 23:50:06 | FrankOtto | gevaerts: right, i'll dig some more |
| 23:50:57 | gevaerts | FrankOtto: isn't that part of a FAT table or something similar ? |
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| 23:53:29 | gevaerts | My file copy just completed. I copied 750MB to the sansa, without resets, in 32 minutes (403 kb/s) |
| 23:53:57 | FrankOtto | gevaerts: no idea |
| 23:54:16 | gevaerts | FrankOtto: they are 32-bit numbers inr |
| 23:54:26 | gevaerts | incremented by 4 each... |
| 23:55:04 | tessarakt | when rockbox gets USB Host functionality, can it then be controlled by mouse? |
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| 23:56:38 | gevaerts | tessarakt: You will be able to control it by mouse, attach your USB speakers, and print out the usage statistics while watching TV using a USB tuner. Of course, someone will have to write drivers for all this. |
| 23:56:39 | FrankOtto | gevaerts: you are right, that's the overall pattern. from time to time some spaces (0x20) are added. |
| 23:57:04 | tessarakt | gevaerts: cool :-) |
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| 23:57:19 | gevaerts | tessarakt: when can you start working on it ? |
| 23:57:31 | tessarakt | hm |
| 23:57:42 | tessarakt | 3,5 years, approx.? |
| 23:58:23 | tessarakt | but the TV tuner idea is really good! ;-) |
| 23:58:25 | KennethScharf | Hello... I just filled out the twiki form and would like write access so I can add my experience with the CF conversion of a gigabeat unit |
| 23:58:44 | gevaerts | FrankOtto: do you also have that on an otherwise clean svn checkout ? |
| 23:58:44 | tessarakt | but, maybe, like Google Summer of Code students? |
| 23:58:47 | micols_ | anyone know how to change the rockbox logo at startup , and has some extras? |
| 23:58:59 | micols_ | i saw one at a forum once |
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