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| 00:00:41 | FrankOtto | Davide-NYC: I think this is right. |
| 00:00:56 | FrankOtto | but personally, I don't want to mess with the bootloader... |
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| 00:01:30 | FrankOtto | It seems to be highly discouraged to install your own. |
| 00:01:59 | petur | yes, brick-risk |
| 00:02:06 | Davide-NYC | Understood. I am now going to re-enable the RTC. |
| 00:02:32 | FrankOtto | Davide-NYC: I'd like to ask you for one more test. |
| 00:02:53 | Davide-NYC | I was just about to ask you both what you needed me to look out for. |
| 00:03:51 | FrankOtto | as I mentioned (in the wiki), this patch disables a call to ide_poweroff . I did this because otherwise my disk access LED stays on during "sleep" (i.e. when the "disk" is idle) |
| 00:04:17 | Davide-NYC | my LED is off |
| 00:04:54 | FrankOtto | yes, because my patch works around LED=on, but it's an evi hack. can you edit ata.c again, lines 852-854 have been commented out by my patch. |
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| 00:05:10 | FrankOtto | evi->evil |
| 00:05:48 | FrankOtto | please uncomment these lines again, so that the call to ide_power_enable(false) does happen. |
| 00:05:58 | FrankOtto | rebuild etc. |
| 00:06:05 | Davide-NYC | that bit about mutex_lock? |
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| 00:06:35 | FrankOtto | yes, the three lines: mutex_lock, ide_power_enable, mutex_unlock |
| 00:06:48 | Davide-NYC | I'll do that right after I put in RTC. |
| 00:06:56 | Davide-NYC | (one thing at a time) |
| 00:06:56 | FrankOtto | ok, thanks. |
| 00:06:57 | petur | amiconn: I tried running always relaxed timings -> ok. Next I tried setting relaxed timings just before power-on but that fails. I can't of course guarantee that there's no boost/unboost between power-on and set_features.... |
| 00:07:49 | petur | next step is to use a global pio mode flag and look at that when boosting |
| 00:08:04 | petur | will be for tomorrow, gtg now |
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| 00:08:52 | Davide-NYC | my make failed with RTC enabled :-( |
| 00:09:01 | FrankOtto | In my case, this causes the disk access LED to turn on on "disk spindown", i.e. after some time without disk activity. How soon that happens is set by Settings>General>System>Disk>Disk Spindown |
| 00:09:04 | Davide-NYC | make clean, reconfig, fingers crossed |
| 00:10:43 | Davide-NYC | LOL @ "evil hacks" in the wiki. |
| 00:11:14 | FrankOtto | :) |
| 00:11:55 | kugel | Happy birthday kugel!! |
| 00:12:03 | kugel | Yo, happy birthday |
| 00:12:05 | Davide-NYC | :P |
| 00:12:14 | kugel | kugel: thanks |
| 00:12:50 | Davide-NYC | cygwin = slowest make ever :( |
| 00:13:12 | FrankOtto | Davide-NYC: ah, you use windows... |
| 00:13:25 | * | Davide-NYC ducks |
| 00:14:19 | FrankOtto | here, a full make (I use -j3) takes less than a minute... my PC is too fast ;) |
| 00:15:51 | * | gevaerts gives kugel a mirror |
| 00:16:24 | kugel | gevaerts: I can imagine better birthday presents! :/ |
| 00:16:27 | kugel | :D |
| 00:16:48 | * | gevaerts also gives kugel two beers |
| 00:17:00 | * | FrankOtto gives cake to kugel |
| 00:17:02 | kugel | for example beer |
| 00:17:09 | kugel | or beer |
| 00:17:12 | kugel | thanks dudes :) |
| 00:17:16 | kugel | or cake* |
| 00:17:25 | * | FrankOtto takes cake away, it doesn't go well with beer. |
| 00:17:29 | FrankOtto | :P |
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| 00:18:12 | * | FrankOtto gives cake back |
| 00:18:29 | * | gevaerts proposes to play musical cakes |
| 00:19:35 | * | FrankOtto is reminded of "Fashion Nugget" by "Cake" |
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| 00:27:22 | Davide-NYC | FrankOtto: LED works fine while transferring files. RTC works from CF card, also worked after flashing to RAM although it did freeze and require a reset. |
| 00:27:40 | Davide-NYC | I will now compile with your lines uncommented. |
| 00:29:54 | FrankOtto | Davide-NYC: with my proposed patch (i.e. with ide_poweroff *disabled*) I was afraid that the device might use more power than usual. I've now been testing this for some time, letting my iriver simply sit around completely idle. On the first test run, battery went from 48% to 37% within two hours. Then I tested with ide_poweoff enabled, and it went from 37% to 28% within 1.5 hours, which is roughly the same rate (of course the LED was on |
| 00:29:54 | FrankOtto | all the time, I guess that needs power too). Now I've been testing again for almost another two hours with ide_poweroff disabled, and it's been sitting at 28%. Kinda strange... but the battery display was never very exact, I gues. |
| 00:30:52 | Davide-NYC | I'd be willing to do a battery bench, even though I'd be using an original (tired) battery. |
| 00:31:55 | FrankOtto | OK, that would be nice, especially if you compare with a benchmark that was made with HD. |
| 00:32:38 | Davide-NYC | DOes it have to be the same battery? (I have two H120s) |
| 00:33:25 | FrankOtto | For exact comparisons, I'd say yes. But do as you please, rough numbers are also helpful. |
| 00:34:13 | FrankOtto | I'll do some benchmarks myself (within the next days), as added battery runtime is one of the goals why I'm attempting this mod. |
| 00:35:06 | Davide-NYC | is rolo enough or do I have to flash this build to RAM? |
| 00:35:44 | Davide-NYC | I'm a little confused as to when rockbox.iriver is modified and when it isn't. |
| 00:36:02 | FrankOtto | no, rolo should be enough. |
| 00:36:36 | Davide-NYC | Report: LED turns on during access and then turns off as it should AFAICT. |
| 00:36:52 | FrankOtto | what is your disk spindown setting? |
| 00:37:12 | Davide-NYC | 5 s |
| 00:37:33 | FrankOtto | i see. so the LED stays off for you? |
| 00:38:38 | Davide-NYC | Yess, it seems to turn on during buffer fill (I presume) and them it turns off as expercted. |
| 00:38:43 | Davide-NYC | *expected |
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| 00:39:06 | FrankOtto | in my case, it also turns off, but comes back on after the 5secs. |
| 00:39:23 | FrankOtto | then it stays on until i do another disk acess. :( |
| 00:39:28 | Davide-NYC | I am not experiencing that behavior |
| 00:39:39 | FrankOtto | Good, I guess. |
| 00:39:58 | FrankOtto | That means my adapter or my card are doing something strange. Sigh. |
| 00:40:01 | Davide-NYC | :) |
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| 00:40:17 | FrankOtto | Where's your adapter from? |
| 00:40:26 | Davide-NYC | I believe they are all the same |
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| 00:41:09 | Davide-NYC | I bought this one from eBay (linuxbeginner maybe?) and I have another doming in from dealtime soon. |
| 00:41:24 | FrankOtto | Mine doesn't have a jumper... though it's "prepared" to have one, but nobody put one on. |
| 00:43:03 | FrankOtto | Got it off eBay from "i88990" for 2$ ... with shipping from Hongkong it cost me 5.50 EUR ... maybe a bit too cheap, LOL |
| 00:43:37 | Davide-NYC | FWIW mine has the jumper. |
| 00:44:06 | FrankOtto | I doubt the jumper has anything to do with the LED, as it only controls master/slave. |
| 00:44:23 | FrankOtto | Probably the card makes the difference. |
| 00:44:25 | Davide-NYC | Wow, CF, RTC, all this thing needs is a way to charge from the USB port and it'll be perfect (for me at least). |
| 00:44:55 | FrankOtto | There are cables which let you charge it from USB, aren't there? |
| 00:45:10 | FrankOtto | I believe I saw them all over ebay. |
| 00:45:18 | Davide-NYC | yes, but those regular mini usb cables can be found in every office. |
| 00:45:39 | FrankOtto | Ah, you want to charge with a regular cable? |
| 00:45:41 | Davide-NYC | I often forget my $15 minisync cable. |
| 00:46:50 | Davide-NYC | I might just jump the cables internally. BRB |
| 00:47:00 | FrankOtto | BTW, when you transfer files via USB to the CF-modded iriver, do you know what speed you get? |
| 00:47:41 | FrankOtto | I tested it briefly today, and while the HD gives me ~10MB/s, with the CF I only get ~2.5MB/s :-( |
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| 00:48:15 | FrankOtto | Though my card is rated 133x which should mean ~20MB/s, so it shouldn't be slower than the HD |
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| 00:49:30 | Davide-NYC | what bitrate is WAV? |
| 00:50:22 | Davide-NYC | 16*44100*2? |
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| 00:53:42 | FrankOtto | yes, if it's cd-audio |
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| 00:56:47 | FrankOtto | Davide-NYC: for CF, 1x = 150 kByte/s (so says Wikipedia) |
| 00:57:19 | * | gevaerts assumes that this is because CF cards use CD technology inside |
| 00:57:27 | FrankOtto | LOL |
| 00:57:45 | Davide-NYC | So writing a stereo WAV requires 0.16 MB per second? |
| 00:57:53 | * | FrankOtto tries to find the eject button on the CF card |
| 00:58:23 | Davide-NYC | My math seems to be in the ballpark. Can someone confirm? |
| 00:58:46 | FrankOtto | Davide-NYC: 0.17 MB/s |
| 00:59:09 | Davide-NYC | Yes, I rounded wrong. |
| 00:59:12 | Davide-NYC | HDTach says that I'm getting 12MB/s |
| 00:59:13 | FrankOtto | :) |
| 00:59:43 | FrankOtto | Is that reading or writing? |
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| 01:00:06 | FrankOtto | Because reading for me is also quite fast, 11MB/s |
| 01:01:10 | FrankOtto | My writing benchmark wasn't very accurate, I simply copied 250MB of music files over and it took ~100s. |
| 01:01:40 | FrankOtto | And eventually I was planning to use a 32GB CF card, so filling that would take... |
| 01:02:43 | FrankOtto | 3-4 hours? |
| 01:02:47 | gevaerts | It's a pity that the H1x0 doesn't use PP502x, otherwise that would make my full speed USB limitation a bit more acceptable (only 5 times slower instead of 25) |
| 01:03:09 | Davide-NYC | Ah, I just remembered iometer. |
| 01:03:15 | FrankOtto | gevaerts: what's a PP502x? |
| 01:03:48 | gevaerts | FrankOtto: PortalPlayer 5020..5024, the chips used in most ipods and the sansas |
| 01:04:15 | gevaerts | That's the current target for my usb work |
| 01:05:43 | * | gevaerts also has a 2GB mp3 player from a brand that google's never heard of that only does full-speed USB. |
| 01:06:08 | FrankOtto | gevaerts: but transferring via USB to the original HD is quite fast for me, it's only my CF-modded H120 which is kinda slow. |
| 01:07:48 | gevaerts | That's why this CF-mod would be such a perfect companion for this usb driver. They both are slow, so no one's at fault |
| 01:08:29 | FrankOtto | hm. maybe I shouldn't have reformatted the card to FAT32, as it was FAT16 originally. These flash controllers do quite some black magic with the filesystem, I've heard. |
| 01:08:46 | Davide-NYC | 715MB in 75 seconds |
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| 01:09:17 | Davide-NYC | Size on disk is reported (by windows) as 698MB |
| 01:09:50 | Davide-NYC | 9.5MB/s? I think that's pretty good. |
| 01:09:51 | FrankOtto | yes, it's probably the difference between M (=1000^2) and Mi (=1024^2)... |
| 01:10:00 | FrankOtto | indeed, pretty good. |
| 01:10:27 | * | gevaerts is going to sleep |
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| 01:10:59 | Davide-NYC | Still an hour to fill 32GB. |
| 01:11:53 | FrankOtto | Davide-NYC: then again, I won't transfer 32GB every day. |
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| 01:12:15 | Davide-NYC | FrankOtto: I want to sincerely thank you for the patch. |
| 01:12:22 | Davide-NYC | Very very cool. |
| 01:12:37 | FrankOtto | Davide-NYC: you're welcome, and thank *you* for testing :) |
| 01:13:18 | FrankOtto | also, I only picked up the ideas from petur, so he deserves the most merit. |
| 01:13:41 | FrankOtto | It's late here, so I'll go to sleep. Bye. |
| 01:13:52 | Davide-NYC | To all the devs: If anyone wants my 2GB 266x CF card for the exclusive purpose of fixing the GPIO timings so that the CF hardware mod is auto-detected please let me know and I will send it to you. |
| 01:14:08 | Davide-NYC | Good night. |
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| 02:46:02 | dmb | hey, is there any plans to support ipod touch? |
| 02:55:41 | BigBambi | Only if interested owners do the work |
| 02:56:04 | BigBambi | Check the New Ports forum, I think there is a thread on it |
| 02:56:23 | BigBambi | But I would be very surprised for a number of reasons |
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| 03:08:01 | aurium | hi! |
| 03:08:27 | aurium | i'm reading the http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 03:09:03 | aurium | in "Scan the PCBs" what is the "PCB"? |
| 03:09:29 | aurium | i didn't find it on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ProjectGlossary |
| 03:10:10 | hcs | Printed Circuit Board |
| 03:10:32 | aurium | hum! |
| 03:10:57 | aurium | why i need to scan it? how to do if i can't open the player? |
| 03:11:29 | hcs | it would be useful to scan it and upload the images so that knowledgeable people can see what components are on the board and how they are connected |
| 03:11:41 | hcs | and of course you can't scan them if you can't open it |
| 03:12:16 | aurium | :-/ |
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| 03:13:25 | aurium | hcs, i have a MaxMux player and in the menu i find the firmware information: act75xx_s77 |
| 03:13:55 | aurium | in the google i didn't find anything about act75xx_s77 |
| 03:14:25 | aurium | you know some way to get useful informations about it? |
| 03:14:31 | hcs | No. |
| 03:14:56 | aurium | ho... :-/ |
| 03:18:18 | BigBambi | aurium: You cannot write code unless you know what you are writing it for |
| 03:18:35 | BigBambi | You need to know all of the components in the player, and go from there |
| 03:18:35 | aurium | hcs, the MaxMux comply with the FCC standards. It can help the RockBox port? |
| 03:18:47 | BigBambi | No |
| 03:18:57 | BigBambi | <BigBambi> You need to know all of the components in the player, and go from there |
| 03:20:33 | aurium | BigBambi, the only way is to see it's board? How the guys did it for the iPod? May can do the same... |
| 03:20:44 | BigBambi | aurium: People opened it... |
| 03:20:51 | aurium | :-) |
| 03:21:03 | BigBambi | You may be able to find someone who already has on the web |
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| 03:21:26 | BigBambi | aurium: How do you expect to write code to operate a chip if you do not know what the chips are? |
| 03:21:48 | aurium | BigBambi, yeah, you are full right! |
| 03:22:03 | aurium | but i need to try some other way. |
| 03:22:17 | aurium | that is my only mp4. :-/ |
| 03:22:35 | aurium | no other... |
| 03:22:48 | BigBambi | aurium: Even if you find out the chips are you capable of porting rockbox? |
| 03:23:36 | BigBambi | If not, then you probably want to find other owners who also want rockbox who are capable |
| 03:23:53 | BigBambi | As ports are made by owners, not a rockbox 'team' |
| 03:24:03 | aurium | I'm not good in C programing, but if the RoLO works i can work with time... |
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| 03:24:24 | BigBambi | eh? |
| 03:24:39 | aurium | I think... |
| 03:24:48 | BigBambi | ROLO is just for loading a different rockbox binary from within rockbox |
| 03:25:30 | BigBambi | You need work out how to run your own code on it (if possible), write drivers for all the chips, adapt other parts of rockbox to work on it... |
| 03:25:46 | BigBambi | You cannot just load it, it is a LOT of dificult work |
| 03:25:56 | BigBambi | even with fully documented chips |
| 03:27:25 | aurium | The RoLo is like the LiLo or GRUB right? If the Rockbox port is not working i can try and try again, right? |
| 03:27:31 | BigBambi | NO |
| 03:27:35 | aurium | ups |
| 03:27:42 | BigBambi | sorry, didn't mean to be so emphatic |
| 03:28:15 | aurium | but i undestand it reading the website |
| 03:28:17 | BigBambi | The people doing the port will generally write a rockbox bootloader |
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| 03:28:32 | BigBambi | Which can then boot either rockbox proper or the OF |
| 03:29:00 | BigBambi | ROLO is a function within rockbox that allows you to load a different binary |
| 03:29:10 | aurium | Cool. it can be good to my work |
| 03:29:27 | BigBambi | ROLO is not important |
| 03:29:42 | BigBambi | For getting rockbox running that is |
| 03:29:54 | BigBambi | It is just useful for testing at a later date |
| 03:29:59 | aurium | the Rockbox need to be full ok to RoLo works? |
| 03:30:11 | BigBambi | Forget about ROLO for porting |
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| 03:30:27 | aurium | hum... |
| 03:31:07 | BigBambi | You need to identify the chips used in the player, work out how to run your own code (is there a firmware update function for example, is it encrypted, is there a checksum), then start to write drivers for the chips |
| 03:33:16 | aurium | BigBambi, I think you and other guys talk about similarities in the players, right? |
| 03:33:24 | BigBambi | That can help |
| 03:33:43 | BigBambi | But if you don't know what chips are in the player, how do you know if any are similar? |
| 03:34:26 | aurium | yes... forgoting my player now... i need to research. |
| 03:34:46 | BigBambi | Seriously, the NewPort page is accurate |
| 03:34:54 | BigBambi | There is no way of skipping the steps |
| 03:36:15 | BigBambi | Well, if someone else has already disassembled the player and identified the chips, you can use that, but that is about it. |
| 03:37:41 | aurium | You think is possible to exist a way to make a easiest portable firmware, were we only need to set some variables to compile right? |
| 03:37:48 | aurium | After identified the chips! |
| 03:37:56 | BigBambi | I don't understand the question |
| 03:38:09 | aurium | sory my english... |
| 03:38:24 | aurium | i will try to say... |
| 03:38:41 | BigBambi | You can compile anything you want, but it won't run unless it has been written for the specific chips |
| 03:40:24 | aurium | You think that is possible to create a new firmware portable code, when we need to port to a new player we only need to set some friendly variables and compile it? |
| 03:40:32 | BigBambi | No |
| 03:40:39 | BigBambi | How would that possibly work? |
| 03:40:55 | BigBambi | You need to write specific code for the specific chips |
| 03:41:03 | aurium | ok. i only want to know. |
| 03:41:17 | BigBambi | You cannot use a driver for an ATI graphics acrd with an Nvidia one for example |
| 03:41:26 | BigBambi | s/acrd/card |
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| 03:41:39 | aurium | no no... it's not the idea! |
| 03:42:01 | BigBambi | There are two levels to rockbox |
| 03:42:18 | BigBambi | The device specific code, and the independent layer on top |
| 03:42:36 | BigBambi | In porting rockbox you are writing all the device specific code |
| 03:42:54 | BigBambi | The rest of it is straightforward by comparison |
| 03:42:59 | aurium | the realy hard work |
| 03:44:11 | aurium | I will try to find the chipset and useful information and i back to say to you. |
| 03:44:19 | BigBambi | good luck :) |
| 03:49:31 | soap | JdGordon, Do you see a need for a viewports testing build, and if so which viewports related patches do you feel need included? |
| 03:50:08 | JdGordon | there is definatly a need, but the patches havnt been updated for ages so no real point unltill they get fixed |
| 03:53:34 | soap | just need syncing? Or more involved work? |
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| 03:55:07 | soap | p8457 is lists, p8553 is quickscreen, p8385 is wps |
| 03:55:10 | JdGordon | probably syncing... they are not commitable in the current state so more real work is needed |
| 03:55:17 | soap | those are the three I am aware of. |
| 03:55:24 | JdGordon | wps is probably testable |
| 03:55:28 | JdGordon | I havnt looked at it |
| 03:55:33 | JdGordon | I know the other 2 need work |
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| 03:59:37 | soap | I'd be happy to start building and hosting testing builds for them. |
| 03:59:47 | JdGordon | no real point atm |
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| 04:00:06 | JdGordon | next tie a patch gets updated then that should be done... |
| 04:00:11 | JdGordon | unless you really want to do it :p |
| 04:04:31 | JdGordon | bloody IRS is gonna screw me out of 42 cents! |
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| 04:29:30 | aurium | BigBambi, i didn't find anything useful. :-( |
| 04:30:37 | aurium | i only find sellers. I didn't know who build the MaxMux player. |
| 04:32:14 | aurium | There is a mp4 builder who sell it with Rockbox installed? |
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| 04:41:19 | webguest99 | hi do you guys know of a converter i can use to convert .swf video files to a format rockbox can play? |
| 04:44:32 | webguest99 | please help if any of you guys know... ireally want to know. :) |
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| 04:48:30 | aurium | webguest99, did you have some tool to convert SWF to some video format? (like AVI or MPEG) |
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| 04:51:51 | webguest99 | i have the one i got her from a link you guys gave me some time ago. i got the VLC transcode and WinFF. |
| 04:51:51 | webguest99 | But those wont do it. |
| 04:53:17 | aurium | you are using Window or Linux? |
| 04:53:45 | aurium | s/Window/Windows/ |
| 04:54:10 | webguest99 | i'm using windows xp. |
| 04:55:09 | aurium | man... on window i can only say to you use the VLC. :-/ |
| 04:55:42 | aurium | The Rockbox suport MPEG: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 04:56:06 | webguest99 | i try to find a different converter then convert it. |
| 04:56:11 | aurium | you try to convert the swf to MPEG? |
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| 04:56:31 | webguest99 | after i convert the vids the i'll just convert them again with the ones you guys gave me. |
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| 04:58:11 | webguest99 | i got another question guys. |
| 04:59:23 | webguest99 | i was looking at the section with all the patches and i was looking at one of them that says i can install a plugin in rockbox that let me play SNES games. |
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| 05:00:05 | webguest99 | and another that let me port the ipodlinux wikepedia to rockbox. |
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| 05:06:20 | webguest99 | can you guys tell me where i can get the rockipedia plugin? |
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| 05:10:31 | webguest99 | is um... somebody here? or are you guys busy? :) |
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| 05:12:26 | aurium | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex |
| 05:13:15 | aurium | webguest99, i think if the plugin is not on the list, it do not exists. |
| 05:16:31 | webguest99 | ok thanks let me check that. :) |
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| 05:25:44 | webguest99 | no its not there. |
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| 05:46:52 | saratoga | who do i talk to about settings_list.c ? |
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| 06:45:17 | webguest36 | hi can you guys help out on how to apply patches please? |
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| 06:50:44 | webguest36 | please help. anyone? :) |
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| 07:01:14 | webguest36 | um...ok...bye! :) |
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| 07:51:32 | saratoga | (for the logs) could someone familar with settings_list.c take a look at the new patch under FS #8443? |
| 07:51:52 | saratoga | i would like to change the default theme to CabbieV2 soon |
| 07:51:54 | saratoga | and now i sleep |
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| 09:58:28 | countrymonkey | What is it causing svn recent activity on the home page to not update? |
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| 11:20:32 | tants39 | can you hurt people with sound and noise and what if you refused to do something some one else said? can that person get you kicked out of places? thank you |
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| 11:22:16 | tants39 | do people like you when you are outside or inside |
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| 11:23:47 | RvX | hello. |
| 11:24:03 | homielowe | tants39: This is an on-topic channel. It is also logged, If you don't have anything rockbox related please don't post your mindless dribble here. |
| 11:24:43 | tants39 | homie was that an insult |
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| 11:25:26 | chuckandbuck | Hello |
| 11:26:04 | RvX | I have patched rockbox (for StarDict compatibility) and I am getting "Data abort at 0004B5B0 (0)" when I try to search for to short words that appear at many keyphrases.. |
| 11:26:41 | RvX | If the list of similiar kayphrases is short, it's ok. |
| 11:27:07 | tants39 | homielowe has insulted me |
| 11:27:20 | tants39 | you have insulted me |
| 11:27:32 | RvX | How can I limit it, (fix it)? |
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| 11:28:23 | chuckandbuck | I'm having problems with video playback on an e280; the video plays fine but the colors are really weird; this did not happen several months ago, but I have since reinstalled rockbox −− with a newer build perhaps... I've googled my heart out and searched everywhere to no avail. |
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| 11:33:38 | n1s | RvX: it usually means that there is a misaligned memory access happening somewhere (at the adress reported) could be a wrong cast, wild pointer or something entirely different... |
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| 11:35:23 | pixelma | maybe it's an overflow somewhere when it appears while the list of hits is very long... |
| 11:35:35 | * | n1s wonders why the frontpage commits don't update |
| 11:35:38 | RvX | pixelma: that's right. |
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| 11:35:54 | RvX | But how to deal with it? |
| 11:36:07 | RvX | How to somehow limit that list? |
| 11:36:26 | ddalton | I can't compile rbutil here on linux with qmake and make on debian linux. is this a problem with everyone? Or am I missing a package? Could someone send me a cli binary of rbutil? |
| 11:36:40 | pixelma | n1s: I don't see newer commits in the build table either, or am I missing something? |
| 11:36:45 | desowin | copied about 500mb to sansa with ums v15, and just one file was copied wrong, and I still can get usb resets |
| 11:37:03 | n1s | pixelma: yep seems that isn't updateing either... |
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| 11:40:22 | RvX | And the second thing: how to get created on my own keyboard layout to load on every boot? I tried to put it in /.rockbox/ , and /.rockbox/wps/mytheme and nothing.... |
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| 11:44:33 | pixelma | according to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LoadableKeyboardLayouts it should reside in the .rockbox folder if you want Rockbox to load it on every boot (maybe you have to chose it once after you put it in there so that Rockbox knows the right path). This is only my impression though as I never used it... |
| 11:46:46 | RvX | pixelma: the thing is that I cannot access ./rockbox/ from my player, because it's hidden |
| 11:47:29 | pixelma | sure you can, just set "file view" to "all" to do this... |
| 11:50:32 | RvX | Thanks, pixelma, one case is now solved :) |
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| 11:55:23 | RvX | But with first thing (the memory case), there is nothing I can do to fix it? |
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| 11:55:44 | aliask | jhMikeS: Around? |
| 11:56:25 | pixelma | RvX: I have no idea, maybe ask the author of the patch (if you got it off of flyspray, add a comment) |
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| 11:58:20 | RvX | Comment by Enmar (Enmar) - Wednesday, 02 January 2008, 07:18 GMT+1 |
| 11:58:22 | RvX | I found out that when listing 80+ articles at once you get the data abort error and a hex address followed undefined instruction and a hex address. |
| 11:58:23 | RvX | Listing less than 80 articles causes no errors and this occurs on the ipod nano as far as I know. |
| 11:58:26 | RvX | Comment by Tri Nguyen (tri170391) - Wednesday, 02 January 2008, 07:58 GMT+1 |
| 11:58:26 | RvX | I can confirm this. If I search the word "sin" when using default config -> Data Abort |
| 11:58:28 | RvX | If I change the topic limit to 15 and do it again -> No Data Abort |
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| 12:05:09 | RvX | I'll try to modify cfg file :) |
| 12:06:39 | RvX | Owh, yes, there it is. But What value to put instead of 100 for max_list? |
| 12:07:03 | Nico_P | aliask: hi! do you have any idea how to enable writing to the S' disk? |
| 12:08:18 | aliask | Nico_P: Yep, I just commented out the #define for optimised writing |
| 12:08:30 | aliask | I also have plugins running |
| 12:08:36 | Nico_P | aliask: but isn't that disabled when in the booloader? |
| 12:08:39 | Nico_P | oh? how? |
| 12:09:07 | aliask | Needed a bit of poking around the plugin.lds and adding keymap defines but other than that, not much |
| 12:09:37 | aliask | Getting the actual .rock files on the device is the hardest part :) |
| 12:09:53 | aliask | Why do you want to write inside the bootloader anyway? |
| 12:10:27 | Nico_P | I want the bootloader to untar a tar archive containing a rockbox installation |
| 12:10:58 | aliask | Ah, nice idea |
| 12:11:15 | RvX | Thanks all, I limited list to 60 and it works like a charm :) Bye. |
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| 12:13:27 | aliask | Hrm, I can't see why it won't work in the bootloader... unless it's something in ata.c |
| 12:16:24 | Nico_P | I'll try with the stuff commented out |
| 12:19:34 | Nico_P | nope. no luck |
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| 12:25:15 | Nico_P | it does work in the core |
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| 12:25:45 | aliask | Peculiar... ata.c has no references to BOOTLOADER - so it's not #ifdeffing that at all... |
| 12:26:01 | Nico_P | ata-target.h has some |
| 12:26:42 | aliask | The gigabeat specific file? |
| 12:26:52 | Nico_P | yes |
| 12:27:22 | aliask | Yeah, but that's only declaring the "optimised" function - if you remove that then writing work. |
| 12:27:27 | petur | there is some ide specific stuff in the target tree (system-xxx.*) |
| 12:27:28 | aliask | +s |
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| 12:30:18 | Nico_P | aliask: how did you manage to send a plugin? |
| 12:30:53 | aliask | ./connect −−sendfile /path/to/plugin and then using rockbox's inbuilt cut/copy/rename stuff |
| 12:31:02 | Nico_P | ok |
| 12:31:35 | Nico_P | it would be nicer to get writing to work in the BL |
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| 12:32:26 | aliask | I agree. I'll get this plugin work committed, then take a look. |
| 12:32:42 | Shark_7-11 | hi all |
| 12:33:21 | aliask | Hi Shark_7-11 |
| 12:34:08 | Shark_7-11 | Quick Q: (Ipod 5G 80gig) My picture flow says i have no artwork... (after loading for 5 minutes or more) |
| 12:34:27 | Shark_7-11 | i dont have much but i have a few... |
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| 12:34:34 | Shark_7-11 | any ideas? |
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| 12:36:29 | Wolf_ | Hi |
| 12:36:36 | Shark_7-11 | hi |
| 12:36:37 | aliask | Shark_7-11: You might be interested in this page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt |
| 12:36:47 | Shark_7-11 | tx :-) |
| 12:36:48 | aliask | But I don't have any personal experience with album art. |
| 12:36:49 | Wolf_ | in Russian |
| 12:37:32 | Shark_7-11 | ok cool tx, i dont have BMP's ...tx aliask |
| 12:37:45 | markun | Wolf_: you want to ask a question in Russian? |
| 12:38:32 | Wolf_ | es |
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| 12:38:54 | Wolf_ | yes |
| 12:39:16 | markun | Wolf_: I doubt that many (if any) people in here would understand it. Please try in English. |
| 12:40:06 | Wolf_ | I shall try |
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| 12:41:08 | Wolf_ | I ask to excuse me for English |
| 12:41:12 | Wolf_ | ^) |
| 12:41:21 | Shark_7-11 | go 4 it :-P |
| 12:42:16 | Wolf_ | I wrote about the problem at a forum |
| 12:42:57 | Wolf_ | I have switched on mode Recovecy mode. Has copied casually some files. |
| 12:42:58 | Wolf_ | Now the player is not included |
| 12:42:58 | Wolf_ | What to me to do? Whether is what reset at a level of ? |
| 12:44:08 | markun | which player? |
| 12:44:39 | Wolf_ | sansa e260 |
| 12:44:47 | Wolf_ | Who can help me? |
| 12:45:18 | markun | sorry, I don't know anything about the sansa players |
| 12:46:18 | Wolf_ | It is a pity |
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| 12:51:05 | Wolf_ | markun Prompt who on this channel can help me |
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| 12:53:31 | Shark_7-11 | does rockbox have a file manager (PC Client) or do you use the default software (eg iTunes) ? |
| 12:55:35 | petur | hmmm unless I get something wrong, ata timings on coldfire look to be a bit off |
| 12:55:43 | BigBambi | Shark_7-11: Use what you want |
| 12:55:51 | BigBambi | Shark_7-11: Just copy and paste is what I do |
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| 12:56:30 | Shark_7-11 | I'm just thinking maybe there is sotware allready doing that so that the artwork etc is all in place |
| 12:56:35 | Wolf_ | Here my problem is described http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?p=218317#post218317 |
| 12:56:39 | BigBambi | No |
| 12:56:45 | Shark_7-11 | when you start up rockbox, everything is working |
| 12:56:52 | BigBambi | er, yes? |
| 12:56:59 | Shark_7-11 | but seeing that this is only filemanagement, one can right a program like that yourself easily |
| 12:57:01 | BigBambi | I don't understand what that means |
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| 12:57:20 | BigBambi | You can put the music on anyway you want |
| 12:57:22 | Shark_7-11 | BigBambi: Me? |
| 12:57:22 | Horschti | you connect you ipod to your PC, and use windows explorer to copy the music iver |
| 12:57:27 | Shark_7-11 | !? |
| 12:57:43 | BigBambi | For many of us a big advantage of rockbox is that it means we DON'T have to use itunes etc |
| 12:57:46 | Horschti | what is there not to understand? |
| 12:58:06 | BigBambi | I didn't understand the sentence "<Shark_7-11> when you start up rockbox, everything is working" |
| 12:58:14 | Shark_7-11 | i hear you :-) |
| 12:58:26 | Horschti | no, not you, BigBambi |
| 12:58:32 | Shark_7-11 | I am saying, a client that does everything for you (like auto aupdates, theme loader etc) |
| 12:58:32 | BigBambi | Heh |
| 12:58:45 | BigBambi | Is there anyone here who understands this conversation? :) |
| 12:58:50 | Horschti | no |
| 12:58:53 | BigBambi | Shark_7-11: try rbutil for that |
| 12:58:55 | Shark_7-11 | oh what i mean with that is |
| 12:59:16 | Shark_7-11 | you dont need to manually go check the files and what not after wards... in shirt, let me right an app then u guys use it? |
| 12:59:20 | Shark_7-11 | hows that? |
| 12:59:21 | BigBambi | Rockbox Utility will do installation, updating, theme intalling, voice file generation, installing doom |
| 12:59:24 | BigBambi | and more |
| 12:59:33 | BigBambi | Shark_7-11: No thanks |
| 12:59:33 | advcomp2019 | Wolf_, so you copied files via recovery mode and now it does not work? |
| 12:59:40 | Shark_7-11 | k |
| 12:59:42 | BigBambi | Shark_7-11: Feel free to do what you want |
| 12:59:53 | BigBambi | But I do NOT want to have to use additional software |
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| 13:00:16 | BigBambi | If you feel the need, please do, and I'm sure there are some who will appreciate it |
| 13:00:34 | Wolf_ | advcomp2019 bootloader.bin |
| 13:00:40 | Shark_7-11 | not a must |
| 13:01:09 | BigBambi | Look at Rockbox Utility |
| 13:01:21 | BigBambi | It isn't a music manager, but it does everything else pretty much |
| 13:02:34 | advcomp2019 | Wolf_, what are you trying to do actually then? |
| 13:03:04 | pixelma | Nico_P: got a album art question for you (just out of interest) - what happens if you want to use album art (maybe even differently sized) in the WPS and RWPS on the Iaudios? |
| 13:03:21 | Shark_7-11 | like a nice to have kinda thing... anyhow... tx for the help |
| 13:03:21 | Shark_7-11 | k |
| 13:03:21 | Shark_7-11 | will check it out tx |
| 13:03:32 | Nico_P | pixelma: I'm not sure actually |
| 13:03:58 | Nico_P | pixelma: I don't think the RWPS is handles |
| 13:04:00 | Nico_P | handled |
| 13:05:01 | pixelma | ok, but the Iaudio remote is greyscale and album art is possible on greyscale main displays... |
| 13:06:26 | Wolf_ | advcomp2019 I have casually copied |
| 13:07:18 | Wolf_ | advcomp2019 I apologize for English, I from Russia |
| 13:08:07 | advcomp2019 | Wolf_, i am still trying to figure out what you need |
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| 13:09:44 | Wolf_ | advcomp2019 Now I try will start sansa in Recovery mode |
| 13:10:43 | advcomp2019 | Wolf_, why do you need to go into recovery mode for? |
| 13:11:47 | Wolf_ | advcomp2019 What to remove from a player files which has casually copied |
| 13:12:30 | Wolf_ | PC does not see a player |
| 13:13:23 | Shark_7-11 | cheers |
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| 13:17:16 | advcomp2019 | Wolf_, what usb mode are you using? what operating system? |
| 13:17:45 | Wolf_ | XP |
| 13:18:44 | Wolf_ | advcomp2019 At a player the display is not included, the circle shines only |
| 13:24:43 | aliask | Nico_P: Have you had any leads, or should I just start trying to work it out? |
| 13:26:10 | Wolf_ | advcomp2019 Whether there are at me chances to restore a player? |
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| 13:26:45 | advcomp2019 | Wolf_, that is manufacturing mode.. did you put it there or did it do it on its own? |
| 13:28:01 | Nico_P | aliask: no, haven't found anything, sorry |
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| 13:34:17 | Wolf_ | advcomp2019 è ïðîøó ìåíÿ èçâèíèòü, íî ÿ íå ñîâñåì ïîíÿë âîïðîñ |
| 13:34:27 | Wolf_ | advcomp2019 Also I ask me to excuse, but I have not absolutely understood a question |
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| 13:41:27 | advcomp2019 | Wolf_, i do not know russian so i do not know how to tell you the info to make you understand it |
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| 13:51:57 | rasher | Wolf_: Did you do something to get in this mode? |
| 13:52:28 | Wolf_ | Yes |
| 13:52:49 | Wolf_ | rasher * Power off |
| 13:52:49 | Wolf_ | * Turn ON lock/hold |
| 13:52:49 | Wolf_ | * Hold down record |
| 13:52:49 | DBUG | Sent KICK Wolf_ to server |
| 13:52:49 | Wolf_ | * Hit Power/Menu Button |
| 13:52:50 | Kick | (#rockbox Wolf_ :No flooding!) by logbot!n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-81a6e41ab8c04a25 |
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| 13:53:16 | Wolf_ | rasher Power off |
| 13:53:17 | * | petur pats logbot on the back |
| 13:53:33 | Wolf_ | ^( |
| 13:53:40 | rasher | Wolf_: Okay. Why did you do it? |
| 13:54:32 | Wolf_ | rasher What exactly? |
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| 13:54:49 | rasher | Wolf_: Why did you go to manufacturer mode? |
| 13:55:21 | Wolf_ | rasher I wanted to stitch |
| 13:55:30 | rasher | Stitch? |
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| 13:55:50 | rasher | Try explaining with other words |
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| 13:56:25 | Wolf_ | I do not know as to say in English |
| 13:56:59 | rasher | Ah, did you read about it on a page? |
| 13:57:09 | Wolf_ | rasher I wanted to replace the microprogram |
| 13:57:17 | bertrik | he means patch maybe |
| 13:58:50 | rasher | Wolf_: To get out of manufacturer mode you can hold the power button for 15 seconds |
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| 13:59:49 | Wolf_ | rasher îê, now I shall try |
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| 14:00:52 | austriancoder | master build server down :( Hope everything is green... |
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| 14:04:41 | petur | anybody with ata specs knowledge around? |
| 14:05:24 | romeo1 | thank you and why don't we kill and harass and discriminate against all the people who are physically unattractive in this world? and how much time do we/i have? thanks |
| 14:05:47 | * | rasher blinks |
| 14:06:01 | Horscht | hm.. |
| 14:06:04 | Horscht | spambot |
| 14:06:18 | Horscht | i had him in a different chan saying the exact same thing |
| 14:06:19 | rasher | PMs? |
| 14:06:36 | Horscht | which is weird, cause it's a german channel |
| 14:07:30 | Wolf_ | rasher Has not helped |
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| 14:08:10 | Kick | (#rockbox romeo1 :spammer) by logbot!n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-81a6e41ab8c04a25 |
| 14:08:16 | petur | hehe |
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| 14:08:30 | romeo1 | what is a spammer |
| 14:08:51 | petur | you were talking nonsense |
| 14:08:53 | rasher | Wolf_: Try holding longer |
| 14:09:18 | petur | romeo1: obey the channel rules or get kicked/banned |
| 14:09:25 | Wolf_ | :) îê |
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| 14:10:31 | rasher | Wolf_: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/manual/rockbox_interface/images/e200-front.png |
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| 14:10:53 | BigBambi | How does that work? i.e. how did logbot know? Or did someone 'nudge' logbot? |
| 14:11:11 | * | petur smiles |
| 14:11:16 | BigBambi | aha :) |
| 14:11:16 | moos | B4gder: buildserver problems |
| 14:12:27 | B4gder | more specificly? |
| 14:12:53 | moos | look at the build table, it stoped yesterday :) |
| 14:12:55 | romeo1 | this is essentially different. does ugly people hate and discriminate against other ugly people too as much as attractive people? and do attractive people really discriminate against ugly people? |
| 14:13:22 | Wolf_ | rasher íàæèìàòü òîëüêî êíîïêó power? |
| 14:13:31 | rasher | Wolf_: I don't understand |
| 14:13:38 | DBUG | Sent KICK romeo1 to server |
| 14:13:39 | Kick | (#rockbox romeo1 :final warning) by logbot!n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-81a6e41ab8c04a25 |
| 14:13:45 | Wolf_ | rasher To press only the button power? |
| 14:13:46 | Horscht | i only understand "rasher" and "power" |
| 14:14:01 | rasher | Wolf_: Yes. In 15-25 seconds |
| 14:14:06 | B4gder | moos: and what was committed after then? |
| 14:14:43 | moos | check svn mail, last revisions aren't |
| 14:15:28 | moos | 6 revisons |
| 14:15:37 | moos | +i |
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| 14:18:45 | romeo1 | i've been always a loner my entire life and no real friends or people who gives me feed-backs or stayed away from people in a room for 30 years of age is it embarrassing and am i stupid or can hurt others? |
| 14:19:02 | B4gder | moos: thanks, I triggered a manual build now and it should be up and fine after that |
| 14:19:24 | Mode | "#rockbox +o B4gder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 14:19:28 | Horscht | bye |
| 14:19:31 | Wolf_ | rasher Not, I seem to me of it{him} finally have broken |
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| 14:19:38 | Warn | Banlist contains 19 bans! |
| 14:19:46 | Kick | (#rockbox romeo1 :B4gder) by B4gder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder |
| 14:20:09 | * | aliask can only think of one other person who's been banned |
| 14:20:20 | rasher | Wolf_: It can be saved with e200tool. I don't know how |
| 14:20:37 | Horscht | we have bans in here? |
| 14:21:09 | Mode | "#rockbox -b *!*@64-251-150-231-cablemodem-roll.fidnet.com " by B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 14:21:20 | Mode | "#rockbox -b Ch33zm0ng3r!*@* " by B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 14:21:32 | Mode | "#rockbox -b *!*@c-69-247-221-2.hsd1.ks.comcast.net " by B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 14:22:44 | B4gder | Horscht: we really don't need to use them very often |
| 14:23:05 | Wolf_ | rasher I thank for the help:) |
| 14:23:16 | aliask | B4gder: Why -b those three? |
| 14:23:37 | B4gder | because they're somewhat old and I rather not have lots of oldish bans hanging around |
| 14:23:37 | rasher | Wolf_: Maybe you could find someone who knows Russian and better English to help you |
| 14:24:13 | B4gder | one being on a nick only, and two most likely being for dhcp ips anyway |
| 14:24:14 | rasher | There are plenty of other equally old bans afaics |
| 14:24:20 | B4gder | indeed |
| 14:24:30 | B4gder | but I just wanted to give some room and then leave them |
| 14:24:44 | * | aliask is reminded of dongs :) |
| 14:24:48 | B4gder | I'm not even sure what the freenode ban limit is |
| 14:25:05 | moos | red builds |
| 14:25:31 | B4gder | austriancoder: your red! |
| 14:25:43 | * | aliask breathes a sigh of relief |
| 14:25:48 | B4gder | 860 fresh points |
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| 14:35:30 | * | gevaerts is trying to decide if he should do SCSI commands today, or experiment further with the core USB stuff |
| 14:35:42 | B4gder | both! |
| 14:35:45 | * | B4gder ducks |
| 14:36:41 | * | gevaerts waits until B4gder un-ducks before reacting |
| 14:36:58 | bertrik | get out and enjoy the nice weather |
| 14:37:57 | gevaerts | I could do that of course. Might be a nice compromise |
| 14:38:41 | * | petur will do the same soon too |
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| 14:46:09 | desowin | gevaerts: http://rafb.net/p/xmLmsq23.html - it's what I got with v15, it happened while writing and only one file was bad copy |
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| 14:48:57 | Nico_P | aliask: any leads on why writing doesn't work in the BL? |
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| 14:49:28 | aliask | Nico_P: None so far, but I haven't done much testing |
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| 14:49:55 | Nico_P | I haven't found anything either |
| 14:51:36 | gevaerts | desowin: that seems to suggest that my control-transaction theory is incorrect. |
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| 14:54:39 | rasher | gevaerts: have you tried torturing the OF to the same degree? (badblocks and continous lsusb) |
| 14:54:53 | Febs | Does anyone know if the E200 automatically adjusts gain when bass boost is applied? |
| 14:56:36 | gevaerts | rasher: not yet, but I'll do it now. Anyway v15 still responds in a worse way to it than v7 (the one in svn), and desowin has problems without such tricks. |
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| 14:57:20 | desowin | well, I haven't diffed files copied using v7 ;) |
| 14:58:21 | bertrik_ | I still see a lot of failed tests on the chapter 9 handling |
| 14:58:44 | Febs | I'm looking at posts 9 and 11 in this thread: http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f15/ipod-5-5g-80gb-rockbox-ipod-classic-80gb-297447/#post3817471 |
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| 15:02:19 | gevaerts | From the device numbering it looks like desowin connecting through a hub to a ohci controller. I'm connecting directly to a uhci controller. Maybe that makes a difference ? |
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| 15:02:42 | Febs | If I add 24 dB of gain using the low shelf filter, I can easily introduce clipping. But if I apply 24 dB of bass boost, it doesn't clip. |
| 15:02:59 | Febs | (though it sounds terrible) |
| 15:04:25 | gevaerts | The OF seems to handle my lsusb+badblocks torture correctly (no pauses, no errors, no resets), on both full speed and high speed |
| 15:04:56 | rasher | Febs: Bass boost being the Bass setting int he sound menu? |
| 15:05:00 | Febs | Yes. |
| 15:05:32 | rasher | I'm pretty sure that scales down the gain accordingly, but not positive |
| 15:05:33 | bertrik | yay, high speed works already? |
| 15:05:40 | rasher | Febs: preglow will know |
| 15:05:48 | gevaerts | bertrik: OF |
| 15:06:00 | * | bertrik should read more carefully |
| 15:06:32 | gevaerts | desowin: Are you connecting to a ohci controller through a hub (maybe built-in somewhere), or am I reading your dmesg output wrongly ? |
| 15:07:10 | desowin | yes, connecting it through hub, should I connect it directly? |
| 15:07:28 | Febs | rasher: I remember there being extensive discussion of that sort of scaling a couple of years ago with respect to the H100 and the decision was made that Rockbox should not scale gain to prevent clipping. That's why I was surprised to read that comment that there is scaling on the e200. |
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| 15:07:59 | gevaerts | desowin: it would be useful to know if that maks a difference. I really want to reproduce your error rate here, so I can properly debug this. |
| 15:08:22 | * | gevaerts thinks he also ha a usb hub somewhere, and goes to look for it |
| 15:11:23 | Febs | This is the discussion I was thinking of: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2005-12/0013.shtml |
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| 15:13:34 | gevaerts | rasher: did you do any testing with recent patches ? |
| 15:13:49 | desowin | gevaerts: without hub http://rafb.net/p/tCUXWk52.html and it's still copying files |
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| 15:17:31 | ally_oxxxoo | hey guys |
| 15:17:39 | gevaerts | desowin: so basically no difference. I assume ohci vs uhci shouldn't make a difference on this. Are you using some kind of GUI file manager that tries to update it's filelist regularly (i.e. is something trying to get a directory listing from the sansa while it's writing) ? |
| 15:17:41 | aliask | Nico_P: I just modified the bootloader to actually test writing, rather than just reading code and it seemed to work fine... |
| 15:17:57 | Nico_P | aliask: what did you change? |
| 15:18:04 | ally_oxxxoo | im have a problem with rockbox on my ipod. Is there a way to formate it? |
| 15:18:21 | ally_oxxxoo | right now its formated by a Mac not a windows computer.. |
| 15:18:34 | aliask | Nico_P: Nothing. I'll make a patch of the bootloader so you can verify on your device |
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| 15:19:13 | Nico_P | aliask: ok, thanks |
| 15:19:18 | desowin | gevaerts: I'm using thunar, I'll test with bare cp later |
| 15:19:19 | Horscht | ally_oxxxoo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 15:19:37 | ally_oxxxoo | thanks horsht |
| 15:19:49 | soap | ally_oxxxoo, Rockbox is not like a Windows 95 install - there is no reason to format your player because of weird behavior. |
| 15:20:09 | soap | Oh - didn't see it was a MacPod - ignore me. |
| 15:21:10 | gevaerts | desowin: is it mounted woth -o sync ? |
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| 15:21:22 | ally_oxxxoo | soap no |
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| 15:21:40 | ally_oxxxoo | thats not the reason. I had rockbox on my ipod video but not my ipod nano |
| 15:21:52 | ally_oxxxoo | i need to formate my nano cause its not Fat32 right now... |
| 15:21:57 | ally_oxxxoo | im on linux |
| 15:22:10 | gevaerts | desowin: (if you missed it) is it mounted woth -o sync ? |
| 15:22:28 | desowin | no |
| 15:22:42 | gevaerts | so that's not it (same here) |
| 15:27:07 | gevaerts | desowin: are you actively using other usb devices on the same controller (keyboard, mouse,...) ? |
| 15:28:18 | * | gevaerts is still trying to find out why desowin's setup behaves so differently |
| 15:28:38 | desowin | mouse, and have printer connected to it which is unpowered though, and empty usb hub |
| 15:29:55 | aliask | Nico_P: Did you get my PM? |
| 15:30:06 | Nico_P | aliask: sorry. yes I did |
| 15:30:43 | aliask | Does it work, or is there some difference in our players? |
| 15:30:53 | * | gevaerts plugs in his usb mouse |
| 15:31:01 | gevaerts | e H100 and the |
| 15:31:01 | gevaerts | +decision was made that Rockbox should not scale gain to prevent clipping. That's why I was surprised to read that comment that there is |
| 15:31:01 | gevaerts | +scaling on the e200. |
| 15:31:01 | DBUG | Sent KICK gevaerts to server |
| 15:31:01 | gevaerts | *** gregzx (n=gregzx@dss183.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) has joined channel #rockbox |
| 15:31:01 | gevaerts | > desowin: it would be useful to know if that maks a difference. I really want to reproduce your error rate here, so I can properly debug |
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| 15:31:04 | Nico_P | aliask: I'll test it now |
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| 15:31:49 | desowin | gevaerts: I'll disconnect every other usb device and test |
| 15:31:52 | * | gevaerts is not used to a mouse with all kinds of weird buttons that paste content everywhere |
| 15:32:09 | gevaerts | Sorry about that. I'll try to be more careful |
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| 15:33:12 | desowin | I'll do fsck first though |
| 15:33:23 | Nico_P | aliask: doesn't seem to have written correclty |
| 15:33:37 | Nico_P | I get "buff was 0x41100DE" |
| 15:33:43 | gevaerts | desowin: I did get one usb reset since I plugged in this mouse |
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| 15:34:07 | aliask | Hrm, interesting. I'll try re-running it. Maybe it's not consistent. |
| 15:34:14 | gregzx | [15:31]<gevaerts>*** gregzx (n=gregzx@dss183.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) has joined channel #rockbox <−−- whats that about gevaerts ? |
| 15:35:02 | gevaerts | gregzx: I plugged in a mouse with lots of buttons in unexpected places, and it selected and pasted some text |
| 15:35:14 | Nico_P | aliask: at least your code writes. I think it's normal that I don't get "Written data verified." |
| 15:35:21 | * | gevaerts is used to his trackpoint. |
| 15:36:03 | Nico_P | aliask: do you? |
| 15:36:16 | aliask | Nico_P: I got it first time, but every time afterwards it's been incorrect (noticeably with the last byte 0xDE too) |
| 15:36:30 | Nico_P | ah |
| 15:36:43 | aliask | Could be 3 bytes out |
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| 15:36:54 | Nico_P | mine seems to be consistent |
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| 15:37:18 | aliask | It works after a format, but fails subsequent times. So if the file exists it fails. |
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| 15:42:06 | rasher | Febs: I'm not sure that decision still stands. At any rate, I'm pretty sure behavior would be the same on all targets |
| 15:42:29 | rasher | gevaerts: nope, haven't done any testing recently - do you need testing? |
| 15:44:10 | desowin | gevaerts: with every other usb device disconnected, no usb resets so far |
| 15:44:21 | gevaerts | rasher: I'm just wondering why desowin gets lots of errors and I don't. |
| 15:45:19 | gevaerts | desowin: interesting. Maybe one of them has a bad cable that makes the usb signal unreliable ? |
| 15:45:31 | desowin | I'll try that later |
| 15:45:57 | gevaerts | desowin: on the other hand, if that's the problem the OF should give problems too. |
| 15:46:25 | gevaerts | Maybe we just don't handle errors properly yet in some way. |
| 15:47:11 | Nico_P | aliask: I think I got it to work! |
| 15:47:24 | amiconn | austriancoder: I'm really wondering about your latest commit |
| 15:47:34 | aliask | Nico_P: Nice, what was it? |
| 15:47:54 | amiconn | The debug menu is apps code. So moving it into target tree (i.e. below firmware/) is clearly wrong |
| 15:47:56 | Nico_P | mkdir was failing because of a trailing '/', so then creating files wouldn't work either |
| 15:48:06 | B4gder | http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/02/17/two-good-ones-is-better-than-one-half-baked/ |
| 15:49:38 | markun | B4gder: I guess you are right |
| 15:50:07 | markun | and Berlin gets my vote for the eurocon as well |
| 15:50:13 | B4gder | we'll get a lot more people attending |
| 15:50:26 | B4gder | I just edited and mention Brussels too |
| 15:50:35 | B4gder | I'm fine with either |
| 15:50:51 | markun | I love Berlin as a city, but don't know Brussels. Maybe it's nice too/ |
| 15:51:03 | aliask | Nico_P: Ah, good to hear you nailed it. Does it extract a .rockbox? Or am I getting too ahead of myself :P |
| 15:51:13 | Nico_P | it does extract a .rockbox dir |
| 15:51:26 | Nico_P | I'm not sure it does it correctly though |
| 15:53:17 | B4gder | markun: I've actually not been to any of them... and I doubt we'll see much of the city anyway :-) |
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| 15:53:58 | jac0b | is there a limitation on the albumart size? |
| 15:54:43 | aliask | jac0b: It cannot exceed the dimensions of the LCD in any direction |
| 15:55:15 | jac0b | ok |
| 15:55:59 | jac0b | so I have the gigabeat and the albumart can't be bigger than 320x240 |
| 15:56:45 | aliask | Right. But because the AA is usually square it won't be bigger than 240x240 |
| 15:56:58 | jac0b | yep |
| 15:57:02 | soap | A reasonable limitation, IMHO. I scale my album art images to MinDimensionXMinDimension upon transfer to a player as is. |
| 15:57:22 | jac0b | yeah I usally max mine at 200x200 |
| 15:57:33 | Horscht | which is still quite big |
| 15:57:47 | Horscht | given that rockbox requires bmp |
| 15:57:51 | jac0b | yeah I guess |
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| 15:58:25 | Nico_P | aliask: loading files seems to sometimes fail. I don't know if this is because the files are corrupted |
| 15:58:49 | Nico_P | or just because the disk is slow. maybe I'm not patient enough |
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| 15:59:06 | Tschaad | Does someone know, if Rockbox run on a M:robe 500? |
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| 15:59:28 | jac0b | Tschaad: is it on the front page? |
| 15:59:29 | rasher | Nico_P: Have you seen mention that "frequent skipping in large playlists makes skipping unreliable"? |
| 15:59:42 | * | gevaerts can't help pinting out that the location petur proposed is nearer Gent tha Brussels, which might matter if you want to visit the city (Gent is probably worth a visit as much as Brussels. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghent) |
| 15:59:46 | Nico_P | rasher: I think so |
| 15:59:53 | gevaerts | s/pinting/pointing/ |
| 15:59:56 | Tschaad | I dont know, what do you mean |
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| 16:00:14 | jac0b | Tschaad: http://rockbox.org |
| 16:00:24 | rasher | Tschaad: All currently supported targets are listed on the frontpage of rockbox.org |
| 16:00:33 | Tschaad | i searched , and I found MROBELOAD |
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| 16:00:40 | Tschaad | its a zip file |
| 16:00:47 | rasher | Tschaad: that said, a port to the M:Robe 500 is in the works, but not useful for users yet |
| 16:00:58 | Slasheri | i started re-designing pcmbuf.c :) let's see what comes from that |
| 16:01:08 | webguest13 | is the 2nd generation of ipod minis supported |
| 16:01:11 | Tschaad | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/OlympusMR500Info |
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| 16:01:39 | rasher | webguest13: Yes - it's right there on the frontpage of rockbox.org |
| 16:02:14 | webguest13 | it only said ipod mini, so i had to ask |
| 16:02:22 | aliask | Nico_P: I have noticed something like this too - but it doesn't happen all the time |
| 16:02:23 | rasher | webguest13: That means every model of Mini |
| 16:02:31 | Slasheri | the idea is to do a realtime pcm streaming engine, with configurable latencies and stream specific controls |
| 16:02:33 | webguest13 | ok−−thanks |
| 16:02:58 | desowin | gevaerts: unplugged all devices, started copying files, then I plugged devices back one-by-one, and so far I haven't got any usb reset |
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| 16:03:30 | gevaerts | desowin: interesting. Did you do an fsck as well ? |
| 16:03:37 | desowin | yes, I did |
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| 16:04:14 | gevaerts | Not that it should matter, the errors were pure block devie errors and nothing file system related |
| 16:04:55 | desowin | oh, got resert |
| 16:06:20 | * | desowin tries again with printer unplugged |
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| 16:20:31 | desowin | gevaerts: I'm almost sure it's my printer what causes the usb resets |
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| 16:25:05 | gevaerts | desowin: good to know. It still should behave better though |
| 16:25:39 | * | gevaerts goes back to trying to understand SCSI MODE_SENSE and MODE_SELECT |
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| 16:35:42 | petur | gevaerts: nice typo there: 'pinting' ;) |
| 16:36:09 | petur | and I'm indeed in Gent (Ghent), not Brussels |
| 16:36:21 | desowin | you beer freak' ;) |
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| 16:39:11 | * | gevaerts hoped that petur wouldn't notice |
| 16:39:43 | aliask | petur: Was/is your favourite leffe tripel? |
| 16:39:46 | petur | amiconn: I tried calculating PIO-0 values but they didn't solve the freezing. I then put in maximum values and that worked OK. So I am probably not understanding the timings... |
| 16:39:59 | petur | aliask: tripel karmeliet |
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| 16:40:31 | aliask | Ah, thought I remembered something about tripel. I'll need to try that one too now :) |
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| 16:41:38 | * | petur tries to avoid beers from inbev because of their aggressive commercialising of beer |
| 16:41:38 | micols_ | my ipod nano 4gb white is getting "buffer miss!" a few times during each midi-song, any suggestions to what i can do to change this? |
| 16:41:50 | micols_ | its using the patchset from the rockbox forum |
| 16:44:08 | aliask | Wow, they even own an Australian beer... |
| 16:46:27 | desowin | gevaerts: yup, with printer disconnected, copied whole that directory without single error |
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| 16:47:02 | n1s | micols_: there isn't a lot you can do, the midid plugin is simply too slow on pp cpus |
| 16:49:09 | gevaerts | desowin: so this might be stable enough for normal use after all. Does the OF work reliably with the printer connected ? |
| 16:50:36 | desowin | oh, one file doesn't match its copy |
| 16:50:49 | desowin | I'll try in OF later |
| 16:51:47 | gevaerts | desowin: any chance of finding out what the difference is (i.e. one sector wrong, some random bytes wrong,...) ? |
| 16:52:09 | pixelma | austriancoder: seen amiconn complaint earlier? |
| 16:52:58 | pixelma | *amiconn's |
| 16:55:18 | micols_ | n1s: you know if its possible to changte rockbox bootlogo without recompiling ? |
| 16:55:24 | micols_ | or patching, just by adding a .bmp |
| 16:56:23 | n1s | micols_: yes it's possible, i think there is even an app to do it called logoswapper however I have never used it and we do not support it |
| 16:57:03 | micols_ | uhm, isnt the logo hardcoded into the firmware? or is it a regular file? |
| 16:57:13 | Horscht | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LogoSwapper |
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| 16:58:46 | n1s | micols_: yes it is but the file can be edited, and of course just swapping the bmp and recompiling is much easier |
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| 16:59:30 | micols_ | yea, that win app wont work anyway, using wine :) |
| 16:59:35 | micols_ | needs .net framework |
| 16:59:51 | BigBambi | Then you need to edit the original picture then compile |
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| 17:01:19 | Horscht | http://solutions-i.org/julius/rockbox/rockboxlogo.320x98x16.bmp |
| 17:01:20 | Horscht | nice one |
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| 17:06:21 | * | gevaerts wants to know why the scsi RBC spec uses 40-bit values. Those will be fun to work with |
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| 17:14:56 | micols_ | hm its rather annying that the backlight is on all the time when its connected to usb/charger and showing apple logo with full backlight. |
| 17:15:08 | micols_ | i dont know why this is the default of rockbox |
| 17:15:17 | micols_ | makes no sense, its only annoying when going to sleep :) |
| 17:15:24 | micols_ | lighting up the room. |
| 17:15:48 | micols_ | doesn't even seem to be changeable |
| 17:15:55 | rasher | micols_: If it's showing the Apple logo, why do you think it's Rockbox' doing? |
| 17:16:01 | pixelma | it's apple's code, complain to them |
| 17:16:06 | micols_ | it doesn't do it with apple firmware |
| 17:16:14 | Horscht | yes it does |
| 17:16:15 | micols_ | it shows only backlight for 3secs or so and then dimms down |
| 17:16:21 | BigBambi | You are seeing the apple disk mode |
| 17:16:23 | micols_ | with rockbox it shows infinite backlight |
| 17:16:32 | BigBambi | Believe us, it is Apple's code, not Rockbox |
| 17:16:36 | rasher | micols_: It's not rockbox. It's Apple code. |
| 17:16:39 | rasher | zing |
| 17:16:46 | micols_ | weird, how come it doesnt do it with apple firmware then :( |
| 17:16:51 | Horscht | it does |
| 17:17:00 | BigBambi | Becuase the two modes are different |
| 17:17:01 | rasher | micols_: it IS Apple firmware |
| 17:17:21 | Horscht | I am not sure what you are seeing, but it does it both with the OF as well as with the emergency disk mode |
| 17:17:23 | micols_ | it never shows the apple screen only with apple firmware |
| 17:17:29 | BigBambi | There is an emergency disk mode (APPLE'S FIRMWARE) and the disk mode from within the OF (APPLE'S FIRMWARE) |
| 17:17:34 | micols_ | it shows do not disconnect screen or similar. |
| 17:17:39 | micols_ | or ok to remove. |
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| 17:17:57 | micols_ | apple screen only shows during boot with apple firmware. |
| 17:17:58 | BigBambi | Rockbox resets to the former, when you plug in from the OF, you see the latter |
| 17:18:03 | BigBambi | BOTH ARE APPLE's |
| 17:18:20 | desowin | gevaerts: 0x250020 matched bytes, then 2 bytes 'disappeared' in copy, then 0x15FDE matched bytes, then again 2 bytes 'disappeared' and then 0x6FEB60 matched bytes |
| 17:18:47 | Horscht | plus, they both behave the same for me, in regards to backlight |
| 17:19:05 | Buschel | question to our experts: is spinlock_lock()/-unlock() used for thread safety? |
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| 17:20:37 | gevaerts | desowin: what do you mean by disappeared ? Are they missing (i.e. is the file shorter), or are they zero ? |
| 17:20:48 | desowin | the file is shorter, those are missing |
| 17:22:54 | gevaerts | Tha shouldn't happen at all. The entire usb storage system works on sector level, so any error should be either a few corrupted bytes, or entire blocks of 512 bytes missing. I really don't understand how this can happen. |
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| 17:25:32 | gevaerts | desowin: just to make sure I understand this correctly: does ls -l report a size difference of 4 bytes ? |
| 17:29:05 | desowin | sorry |
| 17:29:15 | desowin | first 2 bytes are 'extra' second two are missing |
| 17:29:24 | desowin | so file size is the same |
| 17:31:23 | gevaerts | So the middle block is shifted by two bytes somehow |
| 17:31:34 | desowin | the extra bytes are 0x15 0x2A, the missing ones are 0xFB 0x0B |
| 17:33:09 | * | gevaerts can't think of any kind of error that could cause this |
| 17:33:41 | Nico_P | aliask: http://pastebin.ca/907433 works nicely for me |
| 17:33:59 | Nico_P | oh he's gone. pity |
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| 17:34:09 | Nico_P | anyway, I'll commit that soonish |
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| 17:34:54 | aliask | No I'm not. :) |
| 17:35:53 | aliask | Patching and testing now |
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| 17:38:36 | openforlife | Hi all... |
| 17:39:05 | openforlife | Are there any plans to get rockbox on the iPod touch? |
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| 17:40:02 | Horscht | there he left again |
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| 17:45:38 | aliask | Nico_P: Awesome! Works perfectly :D |
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| 17:50:05 | desowin | gevaerts: and I can't seem to be able to reporduce it |
| 17:51:43 | gevaerts | desowin: The only possible cause I can think of (and even that sounds improbable to me) would be some kind of memory or cpu problem on the PC side. |
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| 18:39:00 | Nico_P | aliask: glad you like it :) |
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| 18:41:50 | amiconn | austriancoder: Did you get my remark? |
| 18:42:56 | austriancoder | amiconn: nope |
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| 18:43:15 | amiconn | Why did you move the debug code to target tree? |
| 18:43:40 | amiconn | debug_menu is debug code, at apps layer, and should be kept together as close as possible |
| 18:44:10 | amiconn | The ultimate goal is to remove this code when it's no longer needed |
| 18:44:42 | austriancoder | because s3c2440, tcc780x and maybe others have them also there and I think its cleaner to have target specific code in the target tree |
| 18:45:09 | amiconn | The target tree is for the firmware layer *only* |
| 18:45:37 | amiconn | If s3c2440 etc put debug menu code there, this is also wrong |
| 18:46:01 | austriancoder | ah okay.. I will redo my commits |
| 18:46:42 | amiconn | Look at e.g. the codecs - they have cpu specific code as well (codlfire, arm etc), but not in target tree because it is app level code |
| 18:47:01 | amiconn | *Might* be interesting to hear other opinions here. |
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| 18:47:48 | amiconn | Perhaps we should move it back, but then split architetcure specific parts from debug_menu.c and put the into apps/debug/ or sth |
| 18:48:47 | austriancoder | sound like a good idead to.. |
| 18:48:52 | amiconn | Would still keep the code together, and yet make the file shorter (== more readable) |
| 18:50:18 | * | amiconn thinks there might be *some* candidates for removal right now |
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| 18:50:40 | amiconn | Otoh, some debug items are pretty long-term stuff, e.g. screenshot, or disk info etc |
| 18:50:41 | austriancoder | I have an other question.. in firmware/target/arm/ looks very pp50xx specific.. what do you think about moving pp specific files to firmware/target/arm/pp50xx ? |
| 18:51:34 | amiconn | Well, that *could* be done this way for .c files, but not easily for .h files |
| 18:52:18 | amiconn | The target tree has a common structure: /<architecture>/<manufacturer>/<model>, which cannot be changed easily |
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| 18:52:57 | amiconn | ...*but* there was the idea to "redefine" <manufacturer> for the ARM architecture a bit, and make it the arm "flavour" |
| 18:53:31 | austriancoder | yes.. else /firmware/target/arm/tcc780x/cowond2 would we wrong or |
| 18:53:48 | amiconn | This is already done for s3c2440, pnx-0101, tcc77x and tcc780x |
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| 18:54:03 | amiconn | Yeah, just that I would rename the latter to cowon-d2 |
| 18:54:33 | amiconn | (to stay consistent with e.g. the gigabeats) |
| 18:54:44 | amiconn | Just for PP502x and PP5002 this isn't done yet |
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| 18:55:58 | mcuelenaere | I've a question about the vector loading routine: where exactly is the address defined from where the device is loading the vectors? |
| 18:58:19 | * | amiconn thinks it would be useful to do this move, but for ipod this will cause a bit of code duplication |
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| 18:58:56 | amiconn | ..because e.g. the greyscale lcd driver will exist both for pp5002 (1st..3rd gen) and pp502x (4th gen and minis) |
| 18:59:47 | austriancoder | maybe put it to the not existing firmware/drivers/lcd/ folder? |
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| 19:00:09 | amiconn | No, as it's clearly target specific code |
| 19:00:21 | amiconn | (in this case, pp specific) |
| 19:00:40 | austriancoder | not easy.. |
| 19:00:42 | amiconn | The generic stuff already resides under firmware/drivers/ |
| 19:01:04 | amiconn | s/under/in/ |
| 19:02:57 | austriancoder | amiconn: what rockbox target do you own? |
| 19:03:19 | amiconn | Wrong question... what rockbox target_s_ it is ;) |
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| 19:04:12 | pixelma | austriancoder: a lot, if you look at our christmas tower of rockbox (in the wiki) you'll see most of them... only 3 of all those are mine ;) |
| 19:04:16 | amiconn | Archos Player, Recorder v1, Ondio SP, Ondio FM, Iriver H180, Iriver H340, Iriver H10 6GB, iAudio X5, iPod 1st Gen, iPod 2nd Gen, Mini 2nd Gen |
| 19:04:27 | amiconn | Plus one not-yet target - iUadio M3 |
| 19:04:33 | amiconn | *iAudio |
| 19:04:50 | austriancoder | amiconn: Because I have an other patch waiting.. but I dont know how to procced with it - #8602 |
| 19:05:01 | austriancoder | wow |
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| 19:08:11 | kkurbjun | amiconn, I don't understand your arguments for the revert |
| 19:08:31 | amiconn | Well the debug code is apps layer code |
| 19:08:42 | kkurbjun | what is your proposal for the target specific code in debug-menu? |
| 19:09:04 | kkurbjun | so you just don't like where it is being placed? |
| 19:09:05 | amiconn | It might make sense to create an apps/debug/ folder and put it there |
| 19:09:15 | amiconn | Yes, as target tree is firmware/ |
| 19:09:20 | kkurbjun | personally I would like ot see all target specific code in one easy to find location |
| 19:09:47 | kkurbjun | spreading it out does not really offer any added benefit in my mind |
| 19:10:16 | amiconn | Well, this way you spread debug code instead, which is not meant to stay permanently |
| 19:10:55 | kkurbjun | agreed, but that debug code is riddled with #ifdefs which makes it difficult to read |
| 19:11:24 | kkurbjun | and for at least the dm320 and s3c targets there are a few specific sections that are very target centric |
| 19:11:27 | amiconn | My main arguments are (1) keep debug code together so that this mostly temporary code stays together and (2) do not mix apps/ and firmware/ as that separation is there for a reason |
| 19:11:44 | austriancoder | maybe its time to remove some debug stuff for some targets |
| 19:12:12 | kkurbjun | I don't think any of the targets are ready to have debug code removed |
| 19:12:30 | kkurbjun | I don't think there should be any target specific code in apps if it can be avoided |
| 19:12:38 | amiconn | The big problem is that sometimes even old debug code might become useful again. Some is also quite generic stuff that helps us tracking down user problems |
| 19:12:43 | kkurbjun | I understand that it is necessary though |
| 19:13:19 | kkurbjun | but I think the debug menu would be a good exception ot this rule, moving it to a new location just adds more complexity for a new port |
| 19:13:48 | kkurbjun | and I personally like being able to easoily modify the gigabeat debug menu's |
| 19:13:52 | kkurbjun | since I use that code alot |
| 19:14:10 | kkurbjun | wading through #ifdefs and code trees is painful at best |
| 19:14:32 | kkurbjun | plus the code in the target tree is pretty easy to pick out |
| 19:14:41 | kkurbjun | it's not like anyone will confuse what it is for |
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| 19:16:52 | kkurbjun | amiconn, what is the reason for making that distinction in the target tree, maybe I could better address that particular concern if I understood why that is supposed to be a /hard/ rule? |
| 19:20:04 | amiconn | The distinction is between apps/ and firmware/ (whic target tree is a part of) |
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| 19:20:49 | Buschel | amiconn: what does "spinlock" exactly do. I am aksing because of it used to encapsulate the frequency scaling |
| 19:21:06 | Buschel | excuse my typos... |
| 19:21:10 | amiconn | That question you need to ask jhMikeS... |
| 19:21:13 | kkurbjun | but apps and firmware are mixed in compilation anyway |
| 19:21:29 | Buschel | ok |
| 19:22:11 | amiconn | They aren't mixed |
| 19:22:15 | kkurbjun | all that's being moved, at least in the dm320 and s3c targets are two functions in the debug menu |
| 19:22:21 | amiconn | firmware/ is compiled into a library |
| 19:22:57 | amiconn | apps/ is compiled into single objects which are linked together and against the firmware library (librockbox.a) |
| 19:23:24 | kkurbjun | gotcha, I see |
| 19:23:35 | kkurbjun | waht about an apps/target tree? |
| 19:23:57 | austriancoder | nice idea :) |
| 19:24:10 | amiconn | This distinction is mainly to keep a somewhat logical structure and avoid wild spaghetti calls |
| 19:24:52 | kkurbjun | I see |
| 19:24:55 | amiconn | apps/target doesn't make sense in general because apps/ should be as target independent as possible by definition |
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| 19:25:29 | kkurbjun | I can understand why you would be opposed to the mi, if there is an exception now then where is the line drawn in the future |
| 19:25:33 | amiconn | One of rockbox' goals is to act as similar as possible across all supported targets |
| 19:26:04 | kkurbjun | yeah, but in apps/target we could have specific code optimizations that are used in apps |
| 19:26:07 | amiconn | That's why I suggested the apps/debug/ sub-folder, which should be the only exception |
| 19:27:12 | kkurbjun | we have cpu specific code in apps though |
| 19:27:32 | amiconn | Yes, but *only* cpu, not more specific |
| 19:27:59 | kkurbjun | the target could be target/arm(coldfire, sh) |
| 19:28:00 | amiconn | This cpu specific code would also apply if someone e.g. runs a simulator on an arm based *nix |
| 19:28:26 | kkurbjun | similar to what is done in firmware |
| 19:28:36 | amiconn | (e.g. an xscale based pda) |
| 19:28:43 | kkurbjun | in this case it would require one deeper level for the target specifc debug code |
| 19:29:13 | amiconn | No, since the code in firmware/target/ is *target* specifc. Most of it isn't compiled at all for sims |
| 19:29:36 | amiconn | Just some target specific definitions are included from there |
| 19:29:46 | kkurbjun | the arm tree has cpu only specific code |
| 19:30:07 | kkurbjun | the mmu would be an example on arm vx and greater |
| 19:30:07 | austriancoder | I am happy with apps/debug, but the question is how to organize files and even folders in there? |
| 19:30:23 | amiconn | The arm tree has cpu specific code which applies to targets only |
| 19:30:36 | kkurbjun | ok, gotcha |
| 19:30:40 | amiconn | For sims, the appropriate libs provided by the host system must be used |
| 19:31:06 | kkurbjun | I'm thinking that it would be difficult to seperate the cpu specific code out of apps anyway in a clean manner |
| 19:31:29 | kkurbjun | I just liked the idea of having all target specific code in a central location |
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| 19:31:32 | austriancoder | maybe something like apps/debug/<model>.c |
| 19:31:57 | kkurbjun | the .lds scripts for apps.lds and boot.lds would be another example of something that owuld be nice to have in one place |
| 19:32:05 | amiconn | kkurbjun: Don't mix 'cpu specifc' and 'target specific' |
| 19:32:44 | kkurbjun | no, I'm not in what I said last, I liked having the target specific portions of the debug menu in the target tree |
| 19:32:45 | amiconn | The linker scripts *are* target specifc |
| 19:32:51 | amiconn | None of these are used for the sims |
| 19:33:03 | kkurbjun | it was a logical place without understanding the reason between the apps and firmware division |
| 19:33:12 | kkurbjun | I agree |
| 19:33:25 | kkurbjun | but not the plugin linker script |
| 19:33:28 | amiconn | So those scripts should of course be spilt and moved to firmware/target/ |
| 19:33:35 | kkurbjun | which has some target specific portions in it |
| 19:33:52 | amiconn | Yeah, the plugin linker script is a bit of a problem |
| 19:33:55 | kkurbjun | and plugin.lds depends on how apps.lds is setup |
| 19:34:26 | amiconn | ...since plugins reside on app layer, but the linking is target specifc |
| 19:35:02 | kkurbjun | yes, same with that debug code, it's in the apps layer but target specific |
| 19:35:18 | amiconn | We should probably move plugin.lds to target tree as well |
| 19:35:39 | kkurbjun | that breaks the divison though |
| 19:35:55 | kkurbjun | I personally would like to see all of those pieces in the target tree |
| 19:36:04 | kkurbjun | I think that's the logical place for it |
| 19:36:07 | amiconn | It doesn't, at least not nearly as much as moving the debug menu code |
| 19:36:56 | kkurbjun | yeah, I guess that debug code it linked into the library |
| 19:37:03 | kkurbjun | for firmware |
| 19:37:03 | Slasheri | Nico_P: hi, could you fix the playback engine to call unbuffer events immediately after track has been played? if that would make it easier to fix the runtime data gathering from playback.c |
| 19:37:15 | Slasheri | Nico_P: now that would be no longer a problem causing an extra spinup |
| 19:37:16 | amiconn | The plugin linker script is only used on target. Sim plugins are dynamic libs (.so / .dll). The linker scripts also don't do UI interaction |
| 19:37:41 | amiconn | The debug code does though, that's why it is clearly apps code, imo |
| 19:37:48 | kkurbjun | gotcha |
| 19:38:06 | kkurbjun | so you would like to see the .lds stuff in the target tree, but not the debug code |
| 19:38:12 | amiconn | yes |
| 19:38:22 | kkurbjun | I am ok with that since the debug code is not critical to getting a new port running |
| 19:38:25 | amiconn | In fact there will probably always be corner cases |
| 19:39:09 | amiconn | I will (hopefully soon) add an asm optimisation for the greyscale lib which is kind of target specfic |
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| 19:39:28 | kkurbjun | a target specific section in apps for the debug code would be reasonable I think |
| 19:39:39 | amiconn | It doesn't depend on an exact target, but on both cpu (coldfire) and pixelformat |
| 19:39:45 | kkurbjun | I just don't want ot see the gigabeat code put back in the main debug menu |
| 19:39:56 | amiconn | Yes, that'd be my apps/debug/ suggestion |
| 19:40:15 | amiconn | Would be nice to hear other core dev opinions on this |
| 19:40:16 | kkurbjun | so do you think it would be apps/debug/arm/s3c..? |
| 19:40:31 | amiconn | yup, like that |
| 19:40:51 | amiconn | And the linker script should all be moved to target tree |
| 19:40:57 | amiconn | *scripts |
| 19:41:01 | kkurbjun | agreed |
| 19:42:52 | kkurbjun | so now that tree just needs to be created and some #ifdef sections added to the apps/SOURCES file |
| 19:43:04 | kkurbjun | or can you think of a better way to do it than the #ifdefs there? |
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| 19:45:46 | * | pixelma will hand out all points she'll get to Slasheri :P |
| 19:46:10 | pixelma | and austriancoder |
| 19:46:19 | Nico_P | Slasheri: yeah, that's quite easy to do |
| 19:47:17 | Nico_P | Slasheri: what does your latest commit change? |
| 19:47:59 | kkurbjun | amiconn, where are the calls between firmware and apps distinguished? |
| 19:48:17 | Slasheri | Nico_P: now calling update event wont cause a spinup, unless queue gets full |
| 19:48:55 | Slasheri | Nico_P: so now it would be ok to call the unbuffer event immediately after a track has been finished |
| 19:49:02 | amiconn | kkurbjun: There's one important point: apps code calls firmware code, never the other way round |
| 19:49:19 | Nico_P | Slasheri: cool! it will make things simpler |
| 19:49:25 | Slasheri | Nico_P: nice :) |
| 19:49:38 | Slasheri | Nico_P: i will probably improve that soon more |
| 19:49:58 | Nico_P | I guess we can do it in the track_changed_callback and get rid of the track_unbuffer_callback |
| 19:50:32 | amiconn | Reverse actions always require callback registration (usually not the best solution) or sending events (better) |
| 19:51:00 | kkurbjun | amiconn, another arguement that I would like to bring up in that case then would be that the debug code follows that direction |
| 19:51:19 | kkurbjun | in that the apps code is calling that target specific chunk |
| 19:51:21 | Slasheri | Nico_P: sounds great |
| 19:51:33 | kkurbjun | well |
| 19:51:37 | amiconn | Yeah, but it does UI interaction |
| 19:51:50 | kkurbjun | it's not a target specific call |
| 19:52:00 | kkurbjun | hmm |
| 19:52:11 | kkurbjun | that UI code is ont used in the sim either though |
| 19:52:13 | amiconn | I know there's one dirty case in firmware/ - RoLo |
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| 19:52:34 | amiconn | That needs to be fixed anyway, since it isn't localised either |
| 19:52:34 | kkurbjun | /ont/not |
| 19:53:26 | kkurbjun | what about a call that returns an array of data to then be used in the UI? |
| 19:53:43 | kkurbjun | but the UI interface is defined in apps |
| 19:54:52 | kkurbjun | oh, gotcha, the ui calls in the target tree are the problem - sorry, I just connected that |
| 19:56:33 | kkurbjun | so what about that call for the data, but not the UI definition? |
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| 19:58:52 | kkurbjun | that could also give the other targets debug menu's a familiar appearance and a unified UI in debug as an added benefit - it also seems like more work than necessary for a debug menu - at the same time the tree should be kept as clean as possible |
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| 20:05:48 | kkurbjun | amiconn, I am going ahead and sanatizing the apps calls from the debug code and just returning filled buffers of data to display as an alternative |
| 20:05:58 | kkurbjun | for the gigabeat and dm320 at least |
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| 20:06:13 | kkurbjun | that will keep those reverse calls out |
| 20:06:41 | markun | jhMikeS: I find the headphone debounce delay too long |
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| 20:07:21 | markun | did you have any problems with it before your change? |
| 20:07:45 | Tarth | hello i still cant get rockbox to work on my ipod60gb |
| 20:08:07 | Tarth | i'm running xp pro now |
| 20:08:40 | Tarth | used the auto installer and nothing, the crappod just reboots normal. what did i do wrong? |
| 20:08:53 | krazykit | Tarth, have you tried doing a manual installation? |
| 20:09:13 | Tarth | no. will that work? i hate ipods |
| 20:09:31 | krazykit | it should work. |
| 20:09:33 | Slasheri | pixelma: ups, you meant that red.. fixing :) |
| 20:10:28 | Tarth | i sure hope this works! |
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| 20:13:20 | markun | Tarth: do you think you will hate your ipod less with rockbox on it? |
| 20:13:30 | Tarth | i cant tell you how much i hate apple and their apple software only player. |
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| 20:13:47 | Tarth | yes i will love it. |
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| 20:14:04 | Tarth | drag and drop, plays vid files without conversion |
| 20:14:24 | krazykit | Tarth, have you read the manual? you still need to convert video for rockbox. |
| 20:14:27 | Tarth | i could care less about less battier life, |
| 20:14:31 | Tarth | several times |
| 20:15:54 | Tarth | i think this was my trouble before, the bootloader runs under xp only, and the autoinstall does read its not updayed |
| 20:16:27 | Tarth | wonderful, bootupdate is doing its thing |
| 20:17:45 | Horscht | are you using rbutil? |
| 20:18:03 | Tarth | yes i was. |
| 20:18:52 | Tarth | it put all the stuff where it needed. exseped the bootstrap |
| 20:19:05 | krazykit | Tarth, the term is the bootloader |
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| 20:19:26 | Tarth | all right bootloader says installed sucsessfully |
| 20:20:08 | Tarth | halaula |
| 20:20:18 | Tarth | now to read tinny print |
| 20:20:18 | Horscht | guess it worked... |
| 20:21:10 | Tarth | im so happy |
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| 20:22:51 | Tarth | how to add my own fonts i wonder |
| 20:23:28 | Tarth | i like lucida console |
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| 20:24:45 | rasher | Tarth: with great difficulty (because most fonts today are vector fonts, and Rockbox needs bitmap fonts) |
| 20:25:21 | rasher | Tarth: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreateFonts |
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| 20:27:36 | Tarth | thank you |
| 20:29:07 | jhMikeS | markun: it bounces like crazy and plugging makes it go play, plause, play, pause ... as you plug or extract the headphones. perhaps it could be shortened a bit but not too much. |
| 20:29:52 | kkurbjun | jhMikeS: is this on the gigabeat? |
| 20:29:59 | jhMikeS | though I can't imagine why 1s so long |
| 20:30:05 | jhMikeS | kkurbjun: yes |
| 20:30:32 | kkurbjun | have you seen the hardware filter you can use on ports? |
| 20:30:39 | jhMikeS | it can be adjusted for any target really |
| 20:31:30 | kkurbjun | this would be specifically a gigabeat F feature, but the ports have a debouncing filter that is somewhat programmable |
| 20:31:46 | jhMikeS | kkurbjun: didn't notice that but why would that change anything re: the contact frequency? |
| 20:32:13 | markun | jhMikeS: 1s is long because I loose 1 second of my audio book for example. But I guess I could let it rewind 1s after unpause. |
| 20:32:28 | kkurbjun | well, yeah, actually I might be thinking of an external interupt debouncing feature |
| 20:32:37 | Tarth | argh exploer forze and wont restart. does anyone know of a sortcut to rebooting? |
| 20:32:46 | markun | I never had problems with play, pause, play, etc |
| 20:32:49 | kkurbjun | and youre right it won't change how long it will have to be filtered for |
| 20:32:58 | kkurbjun | so nevemind :P |
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| 20:33:37 | markun | Tarth: CTRL+SHIFT+ESC and then kill it and start it again in "run task"? |
| 20:34:15 | jhMikeS | markun: when I was checking that out the short rewind worked nicely. the bouncing is much more noticeable with video. |
| 20:34:28 | Tarth | well thats just it xp wont resarte xp. lol i love fire fox keeps running. brb |
| 20:34:36 | jhMikeS | plug really slowly |
| 20:34:50 | markun | jhMikeS: ah, never tried it with video |
| 20:35:06 | Tarth | the fire demo app wont exit in rockbox |
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| 20:35:25 | Tarth | what, sorry select menu did it |
| 20:35:28 | jhMikeS | I guess you'd have to disable the one-shot to see it though |
| 20:35:36 | Tarth | brb |
| 20:35:53 | amiconn | austriancoder: There's still some red left... |
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| 20:38:53 | rasher | Tarth: We have a lovely manual which documents that (and a lot of other stuff) |
| 20:39:35 | jhMikeS | markun: another way to see the bouncing is to set the timeout really short and also use the rewind feature and watch it rewind by several settings intervals on a single unplug or plug |
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| 20:42:11 | Tarth_ | how do i fix...rockbox ipod60gb form freezing my com when usb connected? |
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| 20:43:08 | Tarth | how do i fix...rockbox ipod60gb form freezing my com when usb connected? |
| 20:43:29 | bluebrother | Tarth: there is no need of repeating yourself. |
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| 20:43:46 | bluebrother | can you elaborate "freezing" a bit further? Rockbox doesn't have a usb mode (yet) |
| 20:44:50 | jhMikeS | current SVN tries inits threads from within the tick ISR so freezing is to be expected at this time |
| 20:45:06 | Tarth | well i put the ipod on the usb corb, and no programs, explorer, task bar. will respond, but however the numlock will respond. the processor seems to be not to bussy |
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| 20:45:40 | Tarth | are there speacial driver for rock box? |
| 20:45:40 | bluebrother | jhMikeS: freezing of the host PC? |
| 20:45:45 | * | bluebrother is puzzled |
| 20:45:46 | Tarth | yes |
| 20:46:12 | bluebrother | no, once the usb driver is working it will be a UMS device. No driver required |
| 20:46:45 | Tarth | well that worked before. |
| 20:46:54 | rasher | Tarth: Where did you download Rockbox from? |
| 20:47:24 | Tarth | rockbox.org |
| 20:47:28 | rasher | Or did you install using the Rockbox utility? |
| 20:47:35 | Tarth | bothy |
| 20:47:50 | rasher | Then that's not the problem at least |
| 20:48:12 | Tarth | well ok. whats my particualr xps problem you think then? |
| 20:48:35 | rasher | I quite frankly have no idea |
| 20:48:46 | kkurbjun | amiconn, what do you think of this as a solution? :http://pastebin.com/m456bcec2 |
| 20:49:01 | rasher | Tarth: What happens on the ipod when you plug it in? |
| 20:49:05 | Tarth | there it does it again |
| 20:49:08 | kkurbjun | it's a bit messy right now because of the diff |
| 20:49:19 | Tarth | all microsft thing die |
| 20:49:43 | Tarth | in running chatzilla off oof firefox |
| 20:49:52 | JdGordon | Slasheri: did your commit actualy fix the problem? in my tests it didnt? |
| 20:50:18 | Tarth | unplug it and now everthings dandy |
| 20:50:21 | rasher | Tarth: What happens on the ipod when you plug it in? |
| 20:50:33 | Tarth | i swear i will burn this thing |
| 20:50:41 | rasher | Err. Didn't mean to do that, but you didn't answer my question in fact |
| 20:51:29 | jhMikeS | bluebrother: well, I doubt that |
| 20:52:15 | Buschel | jHMikeS: as you are the expert -> what does "spinlock" exactly do? i am asking because it's used for encapsulating the frequency scaling. |
| 20:52:36 | Tarth | goes from theme usb splash to check mark do not disconnect screen |
| 20:53:38 | bluebrother | the "do not disconnect" screen is apple's usb mode. |
| 20:54:10 | rasher | That indicates a problem with Windows that is not Rockbox related |
| 20:54:23 | jhMikeS | Buschel: mutual exclusion between processor cores |
| 20:54:24 | rasher | Or a problem with the Apple firmware I suppose |
| 20:54:54 | Tarth | i thought rockbox replaces apple firmware.? |
| 20:54:59 | Buschel | jhMikeS: somethin like a cross-core mutex? |
| 20:55:32 | bluebrother | it does. But apples bootloader and emergency usb mode is still present. |
| 20:55:40 | jhMikeS | Buschel: right. no on-core task swiches happen |
| 20:55:48 | Rob222241 | @Rockbox Devs: I like the KeyTone option, bus is there a chance to get a third option for it? Yes/No/All_but_Volume ? |
| 20:55:50 | bluebrother | and as Rockbox doesn't have a complete usb driver (yet) it uses emergency disc mode |
| 20:55:55 | rasher | Tarth: It doesn't, it lives alongside it. And currently Rockbox reboots into Apple's Disk mode for USB functionality when USB is plugged in |
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| 20:57:54 | jhMikeS | Buschel: It's just the corelock wrapped to allow reentrancy by the core that holds the lock (which makes things easier to deal with). |
| 20:58:05 | * | gevaerts has now improved the usb storage code so much that it doesn't work any more |
| 20:58:35 | Tarth | so what if i put the ipod in disk mode manually frist. what is it play select? |
| 20:59:21 | rasher | Tarth: Yeah, try that and see if your computer still freezes when connecting. That should rule out the last remote chance that what you're seeing is Rockbox related |
| 20:59:28 | preglow | poor build table |
| 20:59:44 | bluebrother | gevaerts: nice ;-) |
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| 21:00:09 | rasher | preglow: Oh my, colourful |
| 21:00:33 | Tarth | i can ust atl tab but mycomputer wont open up to look at the new drive |
| 21:01:06 | Tarth | hell i can even open mydocuments on the desktop |
| 21:01:18 | rasher | Tarth: Right, then it is not a Rockbox problem, and as such off topic for this channel |
| 21:01:24 | Tarth | but it wont let me go up levels |
| 21:01:30 | Tarth | ok ok |
| 21:01:39 | bluebrother | kill explorer.exe using the task manager and restart it manually. Or reboot. |
| 21:01:59 | Tarth | one last quetion, rock box will work in win98? |
| 21:02:14 | bluebrother | Rockbox runs on your player, not on the PC. |
| 21:02:23 | Buschel | jhMikeS: hmm, can a spinlock/-unlock sequence be interrupted by interrupt or any task switching at all? |
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| 21:02:47 | rasher | Tarth: If you have iTunes installed, try getting rid of that (either completely or temporarily by killing all itunes related processes) |
| 21:02:52 | bluebrother | and apples disc mode is simply UMS. You just need a UMS USB driver (on w98, later versions of windows already have such a driver) |
| 21:02:52 | Slasheri | JdGordon: what problem? i didn't notice any |
| 21:02:52 | Tarth | goodbye thank you |
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| 21:05:41 | jhMikeS | Buschel: if there's no yield obviously no task switch will happen but right now it's not safe to yield inside it but my kernel cleanup makes it possible. an interrupt can happen if interrupts aren't disabled. |
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| 21:09:44 | jhMikeS | really, I wouldn't recommend allowing a switch when holding it. it's meant for code that shouldn't switch on core but to serialize thing between cores unlike a mutex with handles any thread from any core. |
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| 21:10:37 | Buschel | jhMikeS: of course. I am asking because i was wondering, if changing the clock could be interrupted by other tasks |
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| 21:11:01 | Buschel | which would be kind of suicide |
| 21:13:35 | jhMikeS | That's why the disable and slight delays which are to keep the other core unclocked while the clock changing core sets the registers. |
| 21:13:38 | JdGordon | Slasheri: the extra spinning up |
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| 21:14:35 | Slasheri | JdGordon: well, i didn't notice that |
| 21:14:41 | Slasheri | at least the queuing seems to work well now |
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| 21:16:56 | Buschel | jhMikeS: there is a flyspray entry which describes issues with cross-fading between different codecs. the user sais this issue comes up more often since my power patch, but they were there before. my only idea is the frequency scaling... |
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| 21:20:13 | jhMikeS | I'm not sure why it should be an issue unless the new code make frequency switching take much longer than before for some weird reason |
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| 21:47:26 | saratoga | i'm having trouble figuring out how to select the progress bar style |
| 21:47:38 | saratoga | is there an option for that somewhere? |
| 21:47:43 | saratoga | right now i just get a blank line |
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| 21:52:12 | robin0800 | on the current build page some models have different build numbers to others why? |
| 21:52:52 | Bagder | because of austriancoder ;-) |
| 21:53:04 | Bagder | they don't build atm |
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| 21:54:52 | * | petur seems to miss amiconn today... either he's online, or me... |
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| 21:55:17 | saratoga | is there someone I could ask about the progress bar in WPS files? |
| 21:55:24 | saratoga | i have everything else working for Cabbie |
| 21:55:43 | saratoga | but the progress bar doesn't appear unless i load the theme from inside rockbox, and i can't figure out why |
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| 22:08:29 | Bagder | nice creative progress |
| 22:09:31 | petur | ? |
| 22:09:40 | Bagder | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3320.0 |
| 22:09:50 | Bagder | creative zen version:m |
| 22:09:54 | Bagder | vision:m even |
| 22:10:14 | Bagder | running custom code |
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| 22:13:03 | petur | wow... |
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| 22:17:53 | saratoga | is the vision M the furthest along TI target? |
| 22:18:00 | Nico_P | awesome! |
| 22:18:18 | saratoga | i may have to get one in order to play with that cool new DSP compiler TI released |
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| 22:18:54 | Bagder | the mrobe500 already did sound |
| 22:22:37 | JdGordon | ... just waiting for eigima to commit it |
| 22:23:45 | rasher | Hurray, another language brougt up to date |
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| 22:25:12 | rasher | Bagder: What do you think of FS #8578? |
| 22:25:19 | ally_oxxxooo | hey guys, i have a question. My ipod nano is not formated with FAT32 because i have a Mac. Can i still formate it from a linux machine? |
| 22:26:03 | Bagder | rasher: sounds good to me! |
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| 22:26:36 | ally_oxxxooo | any ideas? |
| 22:27:18 | Horscht | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 22:27:33 | Horscht | i gave you that wiki page a few hours ago, already |
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| 22:28:02 | IRCMonkey | how hard is it to port an app to rockbox? |
| 22:28:33 | Bagder | it depends |
| 22:28:42 | rasher | Bagder: The thing for the Player is rather obvious, but what about not shipping outdated languages? |
| 22:29:37 | IRCMonkey | ok something writen in visual basic 6 in windows |
| 22:29:41 | rasher | My personal preference is that I'd rather use an English interface than a 25% Danish and 75% English interface |
| 22:29:41 | Bagder | rasher: well, it doesn't make a lot of sense to ship them, but then they don't hurt much and a crappy translation file might serve as a motivation for people to work on it more than a missing file |
| 22:29:49 | Casainho | hello :-) - is there any page on TWiki that talks about RB bootloader? |
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| 22:30:17 | ally_oxxxooo | hey guys, i have a question. My ipod nano is not formated with FAT32 because i have a Mac. Can i still formate it from a linux machine? |
| 22:30:23 | Horscht | WTF |
| 22:30:27 | Horscht | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 22:30:27 | rasher | Bagder: Indeed. I guess I can add it as disabled and and then it can be disabled at release time (...) |
| 22:30:37 | Bagder | true |
| 22:30:59 | rasher | But excluding literally useless languages for the Player is a no-brainer |
| 22:31:15 | Bagder | Casainho: there really isn't that much to say in generic terms about it. but there are a few target-specific pages about the boot, like IaudioBoot |
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| 22:32:15 | Casainho | Bagder: okok, I will read that IaudioBoot - I was expecting a general page to link to them :-) |
| 22:32:36 | Bagder | Casainho: the bootloader isn't a lot to document |
| 22:32:36 | petur | argh |
| 22:32:56 | rasher | Does anyone object to switching the seek buttons on Sansa to use the ones that appear to be left and right when the player is flipped? |
| 22:33:00 | Bagder | other than internal functionality of course, and we bascially never document that |
| 22:33:26 | ally_oxxxooo | how do i unmount my ipod? |
| 22:33:33 | Bagder | rasher: are you talking mpegplayer then? |
| 22:33:46 | rasher | Bagder: Ah yes, rather important detail |
| 22:34:09 | rasher | It doesn't make much sense imho to use the actual left/right buttons, even though they have seek symbols printed on them |
| 22:34:14 | Horscht | on linux, it's usualy "umount /dev/sdX" |
| 22:34:14 | Casainho | Bagder: eheh - but for new people like me, I think is importante... well, If have time, I will write a basic page bout it :-) |
| 22:34:17 | * | Bagder never watches video on his sansa... |
| 22:34:21 | Horscht | ally_oxxxooo |
| 22:34:32 | Bagder | Casainho: indeed, go ahead! |
| 22:34:34 | rasher | Bagder: Then imagine having to use up/down to seek in the wps.. it feels really strange |
| 22:35:28 | Bagder | sounds like a valid point |
| 22:36:42 | rasher | I think the Gigabeat is flipped, but then that doesn't have seek symbols printed on it afaik |
| 22:36:55 | ally_oxxxooo | yes horscht? |
| 22:37:08 | ally_oxxxooo | can i do "http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32" from my linux computer? |
| 22:37:15 | ally_oxxxooo | or do i need access to a mac? |
| 22:38:02 | Horscht | both would probably work |
| 22:39:44 | Horscht | the wiki is focused on mac, but all the terminal commands should work on Linux as well. a few have to be modified (linux usualy uses /dev/sdX instead of /dev/diskN iirc |
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| 22:40:17 | ally_oxxxooo | yeah horscht i just unmounted my ipod nano from my Mac |
| 22:40:28 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:40:39 | ally_oxxxooo | now im taking it to my linux pc and trying to download the partition and terminal commands |
| 22:40:42 | ally_oxxxooo | hope this works! |
| 22:40:48 | Horscht | no, this wont work |
| 22:41:36 | Horscht | or maybe it will, but most linux distros will mount Universal mass storage devices |
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| 22:41:52 | Horscht | so you'll have to unmount it in linux again |
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| 22:43:18 | ally_oxxxooo | horscht im not sure what "DiskN" is, can you explain? |
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| 22:43:42 | jac0b | it is a known bug with the lists using viewports patch to have the icons not aligned with the text? |
| 22:44:22 | ally_oxxxooo | darn Horscht, I was able to unmount my ipod on my Mac but i can't figure out how on linux, any ideas? |
| 22:44:44 | Horscht | same command, different device probably |
| 22:44:55 | ally_oxxxooo | oh never mind i found it |
| 22:44:57 | Horscht | umount /dev/<devicehere> |
| 22:45:06 | ally_oxxxooo | i just right-click the icon and there is "unmount" |
| 22:45:18 | ally_oxxxooo | horscht: im not too good with linux commands hehe, still learning though |
| 22:45:31 | ally_oxxxooo | can you explain what "diskN" is? |
| 22:45:38 | pixelma | saratoga: I don't understand your problem have with the progress bar in the wps. In cabbiev2 it is simply a bmp (which should be in the cabbiev2 folder as other bitmaps used by the WPS) and is referenced from the .wps file |
| 22:45:39 | Horscht | i think that will actually eject the device, not only unmount it |
| 22:45:47 | Horscht | ally_oxxxooo, it's a variable |
| 22:46:00 | ally_oxxxooo | but how do i find out which diskN i use for my ipod |
| 22:46:11 | Horscht | it's the "name" of the device |
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| 22:46:11 | ally_oxxxooo | i mean, to find out what "diskN" is assigned to my ipod |
| 22:46:21 | ally_oxxxooo | oh mine is "ally's ipod" |
| 22:46:25 | Horscht | no |
| 22:46:51 | ally_oxxxooo | NOTE you must replace "diskN" with the correct name of the disk device assigned to your iPod - disk1, disk2 etc. Using an incorrect device name in this command may result in the partition table for another hard disk in your system being changed. Which is very bad news. |
| 22:47:12 | Horscht | on *nix systems, every hardware has an entry in /dev/ |
| 22:47:20 | ally_oxxxooo | right |
| 22:47:52 | ally_oxxxooo | is it "/media/Ally's Ipod" ? |
| 22:47:53 | Horscht | on linux, your ipod could be sdb, but I can't tell you for sure |
| 22:48:05 | Horscht | no, that's teh mountpoint |
| 22:48:13 | ally_oxxxooo | ah |
| 22:48:22 | Horscht | this is where /dev/<device> is mounted too |
| 22:48:22 | ally_oxxxooo | what command can i type to find out what diskN? |
| 22:48:38 | Horscht | that, I don't know |
| 22:48:48 | ally_oxxxooo | :( |
| 22:49:17 | ally_oxxxooo | does anyone know what diskN is assigned to an ipod? |
| 22:49:53 | Horscht | it's different on every system, ally_oxxxooo |
| 22:50:11 | ally_oxxxooo | i know, but im saying... how do i know which diskN to use? |
| 22:50:12 | ally_oxxxooo | sigh* |
| 22:50:20 | * | ally_oxxxooo confused now |
| 22:50:46 | ally_oxxxooo | i use Ubuntu horscht |
| 22:50:47 | pixelma | rasher: do I see correctly that you excluded bulgarian for the player? AFAIK bulgarian uses mostly cyrillic like characters and those should work there. Just asking... |
| 22:51:12 | Horscht | ally_oxxxooo, type "nano /etc/mtab" |
| 22:51:36 | ally_oxxxooo | ok |
| 22:51:52 | ally_oxxxooo | sda3? |
| 22:51:57 | Horscht | and look for a line that looks like /dev/XXXXX /media/Ally's Ipod |
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| 22:52:23 | ally_oxxxooo | yes its /dev/sda3 /media/Ally's Ipod |
| 22:52:28 | ally_oxxxooo | great work Horscht :) |
| 22:52:41 | Horscht | /dev/sda is your ipod then |
| 22:52:57 | Horscht | so, type "sudo umount /dev/sda3" |
| 22:53:02 | ally_oxxxooo | ok |
| 22:53:12 | Horscht | wait, exit nano first |
| 22:53:21 | ally_oxxxooo | i did |
| 22:53:24 | Horscht | by pressing CTRL + C |
| 22:53:28 | Horscht | ah, ok |
| 22:53:42 | ally_oxxxooo | that is weird |
| 22:53:48 | ally_oxxxooo | it says command not found |
| 22:54:07 | * | petur is thoroughly puzzled... removing the SLEEP ata command (which never fails) solves the freezing. PIO modes and ata timings have some influence but don't prevent freezing... :( |
| 22:54:10 | Horscht | sudo umount |
| 22:54:28 | Horscht | note that on linux, capitalization is important |
| 22:54:34 | ally_oxxxooo | same thing when i type "sudo unmount" command not found |
| 22:54:47 | ally_oxxxooo | ohh |
| 22:54:56 | ally_oxxxooo | i spelled it wrong |
| 22:54:56 | ally_oxxxooo | sorry |
| 22:55:04 | ally_oxxxooo | okay |
| 22:55:07 | Horscht | umount, not unmount |
| 22:55:13 | ally_oxxxooo | i umount it just now |
| 22:55:18 | Horscht | ok, before proceding further |
| 22:55:20 | rasher | pixelma: right, I'm confused. Cyrillic works on Player. See I knew that, because I didn't exclude Russian, and yet... I'll fix. |
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| 22:56:18 | pixelma | :) |
| 22:56:35 | Horscht | ally_oxxxooo, whenever http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 talks about diskN, that's "sda" |
| 22:56:36 | saratoga | pixelma: the progress bar doesn't update |
| 22:56:46 | ally_oxxxooo | sda or sda3? |
| 22:56:51 | Horscht | diskNs2 is sda3 |
| 22:56:51 | saratoga | it just draws the backdrop and the text, but doesn't actually scroll |
| 22:56:58 | rasher | pixelma: I may have missed something else - if you find languages that won't work on the Player, feel free to fix |
| 22:57:00 | saratoga | obviously i'm not setting something, but i have no idea what |
| 22:57:20 | Horscht | I'll go to bed now |
| 22:57:20 | ally_oxxxooo | so you want me to put diskNs2 ? |
| 22:57:30 | Horscht | no, you follow the wiki link |
| 22:57:40 | ally_oxxxooo | im on the wiki link now |
| 22:57:43 | pixelma | saratoga: I can't imagine what it is because the progress bar is a wps thing only |
| 22:57:44 | Horscht | and everytime it talks about disN, you use sda instead |
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| 22:57:53 | Horscht | and whenever it uses diskNs2, you use sda3 |
| 22:58:01 | ally_oxxxooo | yeah horscht i thougth that was right :) |
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| 22:59:20 | Horscht | hmmm... from my knowledge, it should be sda2 instead of sda3, though |
| 22:59:47 | Horscht | I am going to bed now, though |
| 22:59:47 | Horscht | nn |
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| 23:00:08 | ally_oxxxooo | dd: opening `mbr-nano2gb.bin': No such file or directory |
| 23:00:14 | ally_oxxxooo | the file is on my desktop.. |
| 23:00:21 | ally_oxxxooo | why does it give me an error? |
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| 23:00:42 | Horscht | because you're in your home directory |
| 23:00:46 | Horscht | not your desktop |
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| 23:00:51 | Horscht | cd Desktop |
| 23:00:56 | ally_oxxxooo | im on ally@ally-desktop |
| 23:01:23 | Horscht | ally-desktop is your computers name |
| 23:01:30 | ally_oxxxooo | ah sorry |
| 23:02:04 | Casainho | anyone can tell me how many MB RB bootloader typically use? 1MB? 4 MB? |
| 23:02:08 | rasher | Bagder: What was the problem with your patch on FS #8482? It seems to work for me |
| 23:02:11 | ally_oxxxooo | okay so i think its working now Horscht: 1+0 records in |
| 23:02:11 | ally_oxxxooo | 1+0 records out |
| 23:02:11 | ally_oxxxooo | 512 bytes (512 B) copied, 0.0595284 seconds, 8.6 kB/s |
| 23:02:14 | pixelma | saratoga: what target are you testing with? Not that I have an idea if it changes something but who knows... |
| 23:02:25 | saratoga | pixelma: just the gigabeat sim |
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| 23:02:47 | Bagder | rasher: I don't remember right now but I had some problems. Do you build with make -j ? |
| 23:02:49 | saratoga | i get no progress bar until I load the actual theme file, though everything else in cabbie works fine with my latest patch |
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| 23:03:18 | rasher | Bagder: Ah, no I don't |
| 23:03:53 | saratoga | "statusbar: on" refers to the bar at the bottom with the icons right? or is that the progress bar |
| 23:03:54 | gevaerts | Casainho: you mean on flash ? My sansa c200's bootloader.bin is 55004 bytes |
| 23:04:19 | pixelma | saratoga: no that refers to the statusbar in the menus and browser |
| 23:04:21 | Horscht | btw, ally_oxxxooo. I think you'll have to replace diskN2 with sda2 instead of sda3. I assume Mac Ipods have a different partition setup, winpods only have 2 partitions |
| 23:04:23 | rasher | Bagder: Still seems to work fine with -j 3 (although my cpu doens't like it) |
| 23:04:34 | * | Bagder silently mentions that he advocates u-boot for Casainho |
| 23:04:35 | Horscht | now, final nn |
| 23:04:45 | Casainho | gevaerts: yes, I was talking on flash... - so at least 100kB should be ok :-) |
| 23:04:54 | rasher | I'll upload a modified patch against current svn in a moment |
| 23:04:57 | ally_oxxxooo | oh |
| 23:05:01 | ally_oxxxooo | that sucks! :( |
| 23:05:08 | Bagder | rasher: ok, I'll try that when you've done it |
| 23:05:40 | Casainho | Bagder: eheh :-) - thank you for remember :-) - well, can you estimate a size for the u-boot? do you think that u-boot makes sense in a comercial player? |
| 23:06:06 | Bagder | u-boot is used in hundreds of commercial devices already |
| 23:06:11 | Bagder | so I don't see why not |
| 23:06:26 | Bagder | and it's size can easily be below 100K, depending on what features you enable |
| 23:06:34 | amiconn | mrf |
| 23:06:45 | rasher | Bagder: Done |
| 23:07:43 | Casainho | Bagder: ah, okok, I am writing on TWiki about space for RB bootloader, so in this case can be the u-boot, with about 100kB :-) - thank you. |
| 23:08:15 | Bagder | well, it would be fairly easy to check the size |
| 23:08:23 | Bagder | u-boot is already there for the at91sam9 target |
| 23:08:31 | rasher | Bagder: you might want to add some magic in the apps/lang/Makefile to re-implement what I just committed to buildzip.pl |
| 23:09:19 | Bagder | did you miss a svn add perhaps? |
| 23:09:40 | Bagder | for the apps/lang/Makefile |
| 23:09:42 | rasher | Ah.. |
| 23:10:11 | Bagder | I do have the previous one still present though |
| 23:11:04 | Bagder | gah, and then I pick a target that is red atm... :-) |
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| 23:11:39 | * | amiconn is about to correct austriancoder's mess |
| 23:11:46 | Bagder | thanks! |
| 23:12:37 | rasher | Ah, there comes the sysfont.h error for me. |
| 23:12:57 | rasher | Which is rather obvious, since I'd been building for Player previously.. |
| 23:13:31 | * | petur will then bother amiconn with his CF mess |
| 23:13:40 | amiconn | meh |
| 23:14:40 | petur | sorry for bothering ;) |
| 23:15:05 | rasher | Bagder: I suppose apps/lang/Makefile should use makesrc.inc and the SOURCES should be split by BITMAP/non-bitmap |
| 23:15:35 | kkurbjun | amiconn, did you see the pastbin code I sent |
| 23:15:50 | amiconn | Bagder: Does the build system perhaps need a bit of poking? |
| 23:15:53 | kkurbjun | as an alternative solution to keep app calls out of firmware |
| 23:18:00 | Bagder | amiconn: it does seem to have halted, but I don't see why... |
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| 23:18:08 | pixelma | rasher: btw. the two strings on your "deutsch.lang problems" page that are marked "unnecessary" are like intended. This is because "disk" is translated differently - one more like "hard disk" and the other for flash targets; for me this works as expected with deutsch.lang and a german voice file even though english.lang doesn't make this distinction |
| 23:18:26 | * | petur hands Bagder his big boots |
| 23:18:46 | * | gevaerts wonders if RoLo not making rockbox save it's settings like on shutdown can be considered a bug |
| 23:19:33 | amiconn | kkurbjun: That would avoid UI interaction in the target specific code, but it would not avoid debug code scattering |
| 23:19:45 | * | amiconn wonders what Bagder thinks about this issue |
| 23:19:55 | rasher | pixelma: Yeah - it's just a guideline anyway. I'm just hilighting potential problems. A human needs to check what to do (in this case, nothing) |
| 23:22:17 | Bagder | I've not seen this particular pastebin, but I do agree with amiconn about debug screen being apps code so moving it to firmware/target isn't the nicest |
| 23:22:30 | ally_oxxxooo | hey guys, my ipod is not getting detected, any ideas why? |
| 23:22:49 | ally_oxxxooo | im using rbuild utility but its not detecting my ipod and the install fails |
| 23:23:41 | pixelma | rasher: yes, understood. It's just that the explanation below this headline sounded harsher than the others :) |
| 23:24:00 | rasher | pixelma: True, but there's also a much higher probability that it's an error |
| 23:24:12 | amiconn | Bagder: Today's log starting 18:40, and kkurbjuns suggestion http://pastebin.com/m456bcec2 |
| 23:24:19 | rasher | pixelma: So that's a feature, not a bug |
| 23:24:41 | pixelma | both true :) |
| 23:24:59 | amiconn | It's rather the opposite of that - the lack of AI in the script ;) |
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| 23:26:07 | petur | amiconn: did you seem my puzzledness at 22:54? |
| 23:26:33 | * | rasher notes that FS #8482 will free 11779 bytes on the Player |
| 23:26:53 | rasher | If only it didn't break every bitmap build.. |
| 23:28:32 | pixelma | and the Player doesn't even have a bin size problem |
| 23:28:48 | Bagder | heheh |
| 23:29:15 | rasher | Well it should also save a good deal for the rest of the targets! Right now, several hundred kilobytes! |
| 23:29:18 | Bagder | build table back in green shade with yellow stripe |
| 23:30:01 | petur | what a mess |
| 23:30:52 | rasher | Bagder: Weird, when I build I get a "create sysfont.h" line, and then later on it errors out with No rule to make target `sysfont.h'? |
| 23:31:09 | Bagder | kind of ironic that there were more points awarded for the bad reversion than for the original commit ;-) |
| 23:31:57 | Bagder | rasher: I think the latter is because the deps file hasn't got the correct path to the file |
| 23:32:14 | rasher | Aha |
| 23:32:30 | Bagder | which typically happens when the file doesn't exist when the dep file is created |
| 23:33:04 | Bagder | there's a hack in there for the lang.h exactly for that reason |
| 23:33:27 | Bagder | in tools/make.inc |
| 23:34:00 | Bagder | would be interesting to try the same for sysfont to see if that fixes it |
| 23:34:13 | rasher | Crikey |
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| 23:34:34 | rasher | I think that's over my head |
| 23:34:51 | Bagder | that's really an effect of our automatic dependency-generation and a slight lack of options for gcc for that purpose |
| 23:37:16 | rasher | I won't even pretend to understand what make.inc is doing |
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| 23:39:04 | Bagder | hm, yes it does seem to fix the problem... |
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| 23:39:20 | rasher | Commit! |
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| 23:39:27 | Bagder | I'll just test some more first |
| 23:39:35 | rasher | Yeah - did you get the latest version? |
| 23:39:40 | Bagder | v5, yes |
| 23:39:46 | rasher | Great |
| 23:40:23 | Bagder | lots of warnings on the languages.... |
| 23:40:44 | rasher | Yeah, most of those are just genlang being silly (no quotes around none) |
| 23:40:45 | Bagder | should we make sure they cause yellows? |
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| 23:41:19 | rasher | I think so |
| 23:41:28 | Bagder | ah but then genlang should be poked to not whine on silly things |
| 23:41:33 | rasher | Indeed |
| 23:41:37 | rasher | I'll have a look |
| 23:41:38 | Bagder | and the warnings should be changed to look like other warnings better |
| 23:41:48 | petur | amiconn: gtg, the last state is that it seems related to the reset, ie not setting the sleeping flag also solves the freezing |
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| 23:48:07 | rasher | Bagder: Changed in which way? I've added a check to the if statement before the "no quotes around voice" line to check if the voice is "none", but I'm not sure that's the appropriate place |
| 23:49:05 | amiconn | rasher: Btw, while the now included languages should all work on the player in general, it might be that a very few characters are missing. |
| 23:49:45 | amiconn | In particular, I know of 2 such characters for czech. Probably something to check and add... |
| 23:50:00 | rasher | How about Polish? |
| 23:50:11 | amiconn | That should be okay |
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| 23:50:32 | Bagder | rasher: I think that's a fine place to do the change |
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| 23:51:07 | rasher | Okay. How should the errors look, then? |
| 23:51:11 | amiconn | It's not that we'd need to exclude a language just because of a single character. Rather the font (built in in case of player) should be fixed or adjusted |
| 23:51:51 | amiconn | The "no such char" symbol will show up in a few places |
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| 23:53:18 | Bagder | rasher: so my v6 is now uploaded for test |
| 23:53:22 | rasher | :wq |
| 23:53:25 | rasher | Right. |
| 23:53:41 | * | amiconn compiles a fresh build |
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| 23:55:43 | saratoga | how do I combine several #defines into a string using the preprocessor? |
| 23:55:52 | amiconn | ## |
| 23:56:12 | saratoga | won't that just combine the define names and not their values? |
| 23:56:23 | rasher | Bagder: I get a cc1: error: config.h: No such file or directory before the genlang lines |
| 23:56:32 | saratoga | I tried LCD_WIDTH##x##LCD_HEIGHT |
| 23:56:34 | dionoea | #a makes a string out of the contents of a |
| 23:56:50 | Bagder | rasher: oh right, now I see I get those too... |
| 23:56:59 | amiconn | http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.2.3/cpp/Stringification.html#Stringification or http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.2.3/cpp/Concatenation.html#Concatenation |
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| 23:57:16 | saratoga | so I want #LCD_WIDTHxLCD_HEIGHT? |
| 23:58:02 | dionoea | well that wouldn't work. #define foo(a) #a \n foo(LCD_WIDTH) "x" foo(LCD_HEIGHT) might work |
| 23:58:13 | dionoea | and even that's not sure |
| 23:58:26 | Bagder | I think it's a vague area in ansi |
| 23:58:26 | saratoga | i just want to make a string that has the LCD's width and height |
| 23:58:28 | * | amiconn wonders what saratoga wants to do |
| 23:58:34 | Bagder | the ordering of the cpp operations |
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