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#rockbox log for 2008-02-18

00:00:05Bagderthat "cc1: error: config.h: No such file or directory" thing would be nice to mute
00:00:07gevaertsWould #LCD_WIDTH ## x ## #LCD_HEIGHT work ? Or maybe without the spaces ?
00:00:21rasherBagder: Right, forgot about that.
00:00:21amiconnIiuc this should work using: "cabbiev2." #LCD_WIDTH "x" #LCD_HEIGHT "x" #LCD_DEPTH ".bmp"
00:00:29dionoeanope, you can only use # on arguments given to your macro
00:00:47amiconnAh, yes
00:01:09amiconnHmm, just concatenating might work
00:01:13amiconn(without any #)
00:01:50dionoea"int string int" doesn't look like something the compiler will like
00:02:19saratogaits not really an int though right?
00:02:27saratogathe preprocessor only does strings i think
00:02:46dionoeathe preprocessor will output: 240 "x" 320
00:02:51dionoeaand then the compile will freak out
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00:03:06dionoeaah, found it:
00:03:13dionoea#define WIDTH 12
00:03:13dionoea#define bar(a) foo(a)
00:03:13dionoea#define foo(a) #a
00:03:50amiconnYeah, that's one example in the 'stringification' chapter
00:04:53saratogamaybe it'd be better to just change the build script to not put the resolution in the backdrop file name
00:05:04pixelmasaratoga: that sounds complicated. In my non-coder understanding I thought you could just make it load the cabbiev2.cfg and are done with it?
00:05:17*gevaerts wonders why he's trying to concatenate strings instead of finding out why these SCSI changes won't work
00:05:37saratogapixelma: unfortunately the default theme isn't loaded from a file, but is compiled into the source
00:06:19pixelmayes, and I thought that the compiled in should stay the text only one...
00:06:37pixelmabut that it should load another as default
00:06:55Bagderrasher: that genlang change can be committed totally separately
00:07:00preglowthe ugly default one is in the source?
00:07:00saratogawhat would be the sense of loading one theme and then immediately loading a second?
00:07:05BagderI fixed the error output now
00:07:11Bagdercommit pending
00:07:27*rasher stands well back
00:07:41saratogapreglow: well its in the source in the sense that settings_list.c initializes each setting to the ones that make up the default theme
00:08:09amiconnYes, the default wps is built-in - in order to have *anything* available if the disk based one isn't loadable for some reason
00:08:59amiconnsaratoga: Changing the default wps should be as simple as changing that string in settings_list...
00:09:12pixelmasaratoga: but if you are going to compile all parts of cabbiev2 it's going to increase bin size for no reason and wouldn't it increase load time massively even if you use your own?
00:09:38pixelmaamiconn: cabbiev2 is not only a WPS
00:09:59*amiconn still doesn't like cabbie (any version) for several reasons though
00:10:11amiconnpixelma: Then change those settings as well
00:10:27saratogaamiconn: yes, so simple . . .
00:10:56pixelmathere is no default backdrop yet, for example
00:11:03saratogapixelma: no it doesn't change the bin size significantly (just whatever the difference in string lengths for the default and cabbie themes)
00:11:03amiconnThere sure is
00:11:14amiconnThe default backdrop is just NULL
00:11:25saratogabmps still get loaded off the disk
00:11:33pixelmaah, ok
00:11:46amiconnsaratoga: Why do you need to concatenate those strings for setting that default? I don't get that
00:11:46rasheramiconn: you have to admit that *anything* as a default is prettier than the current default. New users will no longer think "ew nasty!", but they might think "I don't like this theme", which is infinitely better
00:12:09rasherI also don't like Cabbiev2 very much, but the default needs to be prettier than the current..
00:12:22*gevaerts thinks the current default is very nice
00:12:25rasherIt's not like we're not allowed to change it later
00:12:28saratogaamiconn: unfortunately i made the build script copy the source file name for each backdrop, and the file names tend to include the resolution since theres 1 for each target
00:12:58rashersaratoga: couldn't it just remove the resolution when copying to the zip?
00:13:02amiconnThe on-disk versions of the files should of course *not* include the resolution in their name
00:13:04saratogai thought the most elegant way would be to have the preprocessor figure it out, but maybe thats too hard to do does that for the wps'es afaik
00:13:28rasherSeems the saner route to go
00:13:32saratogaamiconn: ok if everyone prefers that, its a trivial change to make
00:14:03rasherI think you should do that instead
00:14:18pixelmarasher: I didn't think the current default was "ugly" on the c200 (see gevaerts' opinion) ;)
00:14:30Bagdernow that wasn't correct...
00:15:37Bagdernothing uses max_language_size.h in this commit ;-)
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00:15:51*gevaerts slightly boggles at the tought of "elegant" and "preprocessor" in the same sentence
00:16:09rashergevaerts: have you seen the menu code?
00:16:20rasherI use the term "code" very loosely here
00:16:38gevaertsrasher: not yet.
00:16:57rashergevaerts: save it for a day when you're already depressed
00:17:11saratogaooh got the regex to split the file names right on the first try
00:17:22saratogaalways scary when i do something right in perl on the first try
00:18:07rasherBagder: I see apps/language.h including max_language_size.h?
00:18:28Bagderyes but commented out...
00:18:46Bagdersince that too suffers from the same problem of used before create
00:18:54Bagderfix pending
00:19:05soapmaybe this has been suggested before - maybe this is not needed - but has any consideration been put into moving some of the FlySpray "chatter" to a dedicated forum section? Some of the tasks are quickly becoming cluttered with "support" discussion instead of working discussion.
00:19:19*pixelma is reminded that she still got a small cabbiev2 fix around here
00:19:23rasherBagder: broke all the bootloaders too
00:19:38saratogapixelma: you and Nico_P are welcome to start commiting things
00:19:59saratogaif you see something wrong
00:20:02saratogano need to tell me about it
00:20:12Nico_Psaratoga: I still need to make a clean background for my version ov cabbie
00:20:35pixelmasaratoga: yeah, wanted to do that but somehow it slipped me mind and I was reminded now
00:21:08saratogaNico_P: didn't ApooMaha do that for you?
00:21:20Bagderrasher: I'll revert it for now, rework it and commit again tomorrow or something as I need to take off now
00:21:42rasherBagder: fair enough
00:21:52Nico_Psaratoga: I think he just uploaded what I did
00:22:26amiconnWhoa, a bootloader that's allowed to write....
00:22:53amiconnI assume the gigabeast has some safeguard against bricking
00:23:20saratogaactually i think i remember someone bricking their gigabeat S
00:23:22Nico_Pamiconn: AFAIK it's unbrickable
00:23:33Nico_Pat least when using sendfirm
00:24:22Nico_Pamiconn: and it's just a temporary workaround
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00:26:49BigBambi<Nico_P> amiconn: AFAIK it's unbrickable <−− That sound like challenge :)
00:26:55pixelmasaratoga: just mentioning it here because you might (have) come across it because of inconsistent file naming: , or just so you know. First I wanted to "fix" the Mini WPS though...
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00:29:56Nico_Pdamn MTP database doesn't seem to keep the ID3 tags
00:30:06Nico_Pthe DB tells me all tracks are untagged
00:31:31rasherBrilliant system
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00:34:57AlbrightAre the current iPod builds broken? Rockbox's file browser can't "see" any of my files, though it can see directories...
00:35:33rasherThat sounds more like a filebrowser settings issue than a broken build
00:35:43rasherAlbright: What is "Show files" set to?
00:35:54pixelmathat almost sounds like you accidentally changed your file view settings to playlists, or so
00:36:04AlbrightHold on, I'll double check.
00:38:41AlbrightOkay, the Settings menu is confusing me… Did that change recently?
00:39:21BigBambiNo, which part is confusing?
00:39:38AlbrightMaybe I forgot what place I should be looking...
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00:40:01*BigBambi further suggests the manual
00:40:12AlbrightThe choices are Sound Settings, One, <Random>, AIFF, Write .cfg file… Shouldn't there be settings for the display and stuff?
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00:40:39BigBambiIn general settings
00:40:57rasherSounds like there's some sort of language problem.. Maybe you should try re-installing. Bagder's been messing with the language system
00:41:31AlbrightI just re-installed today, about ten minutes ago...
00:41:38BigBambiAlbright: Ah, they were the options under settings?
00:41:52BigBambiAlbright: es, the latest commit was language related
00:42:05AlbrightYes, Selecting Settings from the main menu gives those choices.
00:42:23BigBambiSounds like the latest commit did cause some issues then :)
00:43:56AlbrightIs there a list of older builds on the site somewhere?
00:44:06rasherJust update - the current build works
00:44:42BigBambiAlbright: Sounds like you caught the version in the ten minutes it wasn't working :)
00:44:56AlbrightWell, okay, I'll try again…
00:47:15Lloreansoap: I wouldn't mind a "Flyspray Support" section of the forum, with one thread per FS#, named after the FS# (and task name) and sorted numerically, explicitly for support questions, maybe?
00:48:16LloreanDo we have a newer RBUtil binary posted somewhere? The wiki still links to a relatively ancient one.
00:48:21AlbrightOkay, the Settings menu now makes sense, but my files still aren't showing up. I'll check "Show files."
00:49:38AlbrightHooray, my files are back!
00:49:47pixelmarasher: one of the "bad versions" had problems loading the english.voice file (think there is none in my sim dir) - compiled a Mini sim... maybe that's another thing to keep an eye on
00:49:49AlbrightThanks, everyone.
00:50:32rasherpixelma: yeah, I think the language system got a bit startled that some things changed and others did not
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00:50:59AlbrightRestarting playback from playlists is still buggered, though… I'm going to whine about it, because that will surely fix the problem.
00:51:20pixelmarasher: alright
00:51:25Albright*playback from bookmarks
00:53:20AlbrightWell, shoot. So close and yet so far… Looks like this build doesn't play at all. The progress bar and timer just sit still, and no sound comes into my headphones.
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00:53:37AlbrightGuess I'll try reinstalling again later tonight. =]
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00:55:03Nico_PSlasheri: here?
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00:57:47saratogaanyone know where the save config file code is located?
00:57:56saratogathat will need to be updated too since I changed the build script
00:59:35saratogaor maybe not
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01:05:16saratogafinally got it
01:05:22saratoga"filetype colours" needs to be "-" instead of ""
01:05:32saratogaotherwise everything but the progress bar will work
01:05:50*gevaerts can't find what's wrong with this SCSI code. Maybe it will work tomorrow.
01:06:08pixelmahmm... my sim is still spitting "buffering < SYS_TIMEOUT" endlessly even without playback...
01:06:44pixelmar 16341 now
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01:08:49pixelmabut it also plays the files. I select the song to play, it buffers and then goes on spitting those messages, never seen before
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01:11:56Nico_Ppixelma: those messages aren't shown by default
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01:12:17pixelmaah... I know now
01:13:26Nico_Pwhat is it?
01:13:36*pixelma silly (has never used logf before) ;)
01:14:11pixelmait's from my logf build to trace the "skip" third song problem
01:15:49pixelmaNico_P: does it mean something, should I be worried about those messages? They don't sound very trustworthy...
01:17:00*amiconn thinks it's just informational. The buffering thread is bored...
01:17:45saratogahmm removing the resolution from the file on device makes the WPSLIST a bit odd, since all the other entries list files by their final name
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01:19:20pixelmaNico_P: read again and thought more about what "<" could mean and it makes more sense to me now. :) Maybe it's just a bit too late...
01:19:42Nico_Phehe. yeah amiconn is right
01:20:08*Nico_P goes to bed
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01:23:38pixelmasaratoga: I'm not sure how the WPSLIST looks with your changes now, but I still think that some entries under cabbiev2 are unnecessary (like all the _different_ "selector type" entries, I thought one should do and the would handle the inclusion for colour targets only and things like that)
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01:26:58saratogapixelma: I'm pretty sure it will work right now with just 1 selector type entry
01:27:04saratogai'll try it in a minute
01:30:00saratogapixelma: just to be clear since I don't know how the WPS stuff works, is it ok to set the gradient bar for all targets?
01:31:20pixelmathat's a config file setting and I wouldn't want that to appear in my M5 or Ondio cabbiev2.cfg file
01:32:18pixelmaI meant it's a setting (not in the .wps file)
01:33:50saratogapixelma: whats special about those targets?
01:34:14saratogajust that they're color?
01:34:18saratogaor not color
01:34:49soapLlorean, that was exactly the format I was thinking of. Just like the old McDLT. Keep the dev side dev and the support side support.'_Tasty
01:35:15saratogawell how would you prefer it to work then?
01:35:15pixelmasaratoga: e.g. I just compiled a Mini sim (greyscale) and the cabbiev2.cfg contains foreground/background colour, line selector 1st colour etc. settings which it doesn't need
01:36:22saratogawould allowing "selector type.colour:" be ok ?
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01:37:45pixelmain my opinion those lines should only be present if the display supports them, Bagder told me that should be able to do that (unfortunately I have no idea about perl)
01:37:56saratogaactually, its probably easiest to just make the build script never copy any of those settings to cfg files unless its a color targtet
01:38:20saratogarather then give theme offers to the tools to do it for the parser
01:38:22pixelmayes, that's what I mean
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01:39:57saratogapixelma: is "selector type:" undefined on grayscale targets?
01:40:12saratogaor is it just that it can't be "gradient" selector?
01:41:19saratoga"pointer,bar (inverse),bar (color),bar (gradient)" sort of implies that bar(inverse) might be allowed on grayscale targets
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01:43:47pixelmayes, pointer and selector type are even choices for mono targets, just not charcell, I guess
01:44:13pixelmas/selector/bar (inverse)
01:45:16saratogain my opinon the build script probably should not have a list of which selector bars are available on each target
01:45:52saratogasince no one is going to update it the next time theres a new selector bar added
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01:47:37pixelmamaybe the selector type thing probably wasn't a good example but I've only seen definitions with *x16 there
01:48:08saratogamaybe *.Colour, *.grayscale, and *.charcell would be better?
01:49:09saratogathis whole stupid script should just be rewritten to regex each line against the resolution and color depth and then decide if it should be accepted or not based on that
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01:49:21saratogathen theres no need to define 800 special cases
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01:49:28pixelmanot sure (and I can't think anymore at this time of day)
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01:49:44saratogaI'll fix it another time then
01:49:51saratogaits not exactly pressing
01:49:56pixelmaI thought it did just that
01:50:18pixelmabut well... thanks for listening :)
01:50:32saratogathanks for explaining to me what some of these options do
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01:59:08pixelmasaratoga: I will do the renaming tomorrow as mentioned in the above linked forums post, it'll mean changing some .wps files too. Just too late now...
02:00:02*pixelma wonders why that triggered a new build round
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02:03:52saratogapixelma: ok but can you apply my latest patch before you do that?
02:03:58saratogaso that we stay in sync
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02:07:40pixelmasaratoga: if you think it's important I could. Will your latest patch be in the flyspray entry then?
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02:10:13saratogayeah its already up
02:10:22saratogathough theres one trivial bug i'm probably still going to fix tonight
02:10:40saratogashouldn't matter to you, just grab whatever one is newest
02:12:33saratogaoh unless you were going to commit to tomorrow
02:12:44saratogayeah in that case might as well just ignore what i've been doing
02:13:56pixelmaI'll have a look first tomorrow, but now sleep. Night
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03:09:16Psykez666can anyone help me with something?
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03:09:33Psykez666i tried going to the forums but they dont work for me
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03:13:03krazykitPsykez666, we can only help if you ask a question
03:13:27Strife89I am having trouble accessing the forums.
03:13:51Strife89By using the forum link, I get the following error message:
03:14:04Strife89Can't open file: 'smf_sessions.MYI'. (errno: 145)
03:14:26cool_walking_me too
03:14:39Strife89Server error?
03:15:07Psykez666its an ipod/rockbox question...
03:15:17Psykez666today i began using rockbox
03:15:48Psykez666and it got all the songs i had previously in Itunes into the rockbox database
03:15:49Strife89karazykit: On my last session, I didn't use the logout link.... But then, I never do. :P
03:16:13Psykez666but ive tried adding songs to the database and it wont do it
03:16:27Strife89wrong name. Meant to say @ coo_walking.
03:16:38Psykez666tried the auto update already
03:16:55cool_walking_Strife89: I never do either, but I _really_ doubt that's caused it.
03:16:59Strife89666: How about "Update Now"?
03:17:12Strife89cool_walking: same here
03:17:39cool_walking_Just cleared cookies with no effect.
03:17:57Strife89Cool_walking: I always clear cookies on close (Firefox option)
03:17:58krazykitthe forums is obviously a server issue.
03:18:20krazykitPsykez666, have you Initialized the database yet?
03:18:23Strife89Have you tried, krazykit?
03:18:32Psykez666sorry im new to rockbox
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03:18:44Strife89He probably has....
03:18:46krazykitStrife89, earlier today, yes
03:18:58Strife89<Psykez666> and it got all the songs i had previously in Itunes into the rockbox database
03:19:25Psykez666yes...but i tried adding new songs
03:19:31Strife89krazykit: And you failed or succeded?
03:19:50Psykez666i see them in the files folder but not in the database
03:19:53krazykitStrife89, the forums are currently down due to a server issue.
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03:20:31Strife89psykez666: Backup your database and Initialize Now.
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03:20:52Strife89have a question?
03:21:02Psykez666how do i backup the database?
03:21:08xxhotman1just broke my S30 lcd screen lol
03:21:16krazykitPsykez666, copy the *.tcd files somewhere
03:21:16xxhotman1searching for parts
03:21:37krazykitxxhotman1, sorry, this is for rockbox-related discussion. maybe you'd have more luck at mygigabeat or anythingbutipod
03:21:51xxhotman1ya just posted
03:21:53Strife89There's a thing called Google, hotman....
03:22:05xxhotman1never heard of it
03:22:16krazykitplease, this is an on-topic channel
03:22:16Strife89best search engine ever
03:22:25Strife89My apologies.
03:22:33Psykez666ok, but will i have to initialize everytime i add music to it?:(
03:22:34Strife89Just trying to help.....
03:22:49Strife89Psyke: hopefully not....
03:23:07xxhotman1i figured you guys have experience with the parts of the unit though
03:23:08Strife89This is just to see if it fixes the problem
03:23:53xxhotman1but thanks and sry for interruption of rockbox
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03:24:28Psykez666ok hold on its an 80gig ipod so it might take a while :P
03:24:58Strife89Psyke: You mean it's FULL with music?
03:25:16Psykez666among other things
03:25:28Strife89psyke: You know you can make a database_ignore file....
03:25:43Psykez666what do you mean
03:26:03Psykez666im not trying to make it ignore files im trying to add to the database :(
03:26:20Strife89You can make a file that tells Rockbox not to scan a directory for music for the database, speeding things up.
03:26:42krazykitStrife89, it doesn't really speed things up when it's a massive music directory.
03:26:55Strife89Every little bit helps.
03:27:28Psykez666so im guessing it has been scanning in the background for the music its just taking a bit because its so big
03:27:46Strife89yep; watch the disk icon
03:28:47Psykez666so basically all i have to do is make it ignore the big music file :)
03:28:54Psykez666and hopefully that helps
03:29:23Strife89forget the ignore thing for right now.
03:29:41Strife89let's focus on the problem at hand
03:30:04Strife89Disk icon still there?
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03:31:56Psykez666its supposed to be at the upper right hand corner, right?
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03:33:26Psykez666no its not there
03:33:55Strife89Probably done, then
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03:34:51Strife89When it starts up, you should see "Commit Database" (unless it's too fast)
03:35:28Psykez666i have and each time i do it says committing database
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03:36:03Psykez666but it still doesnt add the songs into the database :(
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03:41:30Psykez666im getting a message that says "no codec for -filename-"
03:42:14Strife89I'm back
03:42:36Strife89"no codec".... Check your codecs folder...
03:42:46Strife89Or your file type
03:43:05Psykez666.mp3 file type
03:43:12Psykez666its weird
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03:47:01Psykez666this thing is starting to depress me
03:47:22Psykez666im getting all these weird things
03:47:32Strife89How long have you been using Rockbox?
03:47:33Psykez666like two of the same song
03:47:40Psykez666just today
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03:47:48JonThackerHi. My name is Jon. I would like Twiki write permission.
03:48:25Strife89Then create an account.... It's not that hard.
03:48:56Psykez666what does Initializing the database do...
03:49:09Psykez666does it delete all the songs inside the ipod
03:49:14Strife89It builds the database from scratch.
03:49:26Strife89It does nothing to your song files.
03:49:39Strife89Except look at them.
03:49:43Psykez666so its like scanning
03:49:53Psykez666so im going to try doing that
03:51:18JonThackerI created an account. The instructions say I must ask for Wiki write permission on the IRC channel.
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03:52:34Strife89As in: "Oh, didn't know you had to do that".
03:53:46krazykitStrife89, next time, before a snarky answer, check your facts ;-)
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03:54:05krazykitJonThacker, i'll add you :)
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03:55:08Strife89psyke666, how's it coming?
03:55:31Psykez666still in progress
03:55:42Psykez666i have like 13000 mp3s on this thing
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03:56:12JonThackerThanks krazykit
03:56:19krazykitscorche, scorche|sh, can you take care of this?
03:56:20Psykez666fuck tv it sucks :)
03:56:25krazykitJonThacker, you have write permissions now
03:57:00cypherpigi'm installing fedora 9
03:57:16krazykitcypherpig, this is an on-topic channel. please take non-rockbox chatter elsewhere
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03:58:27cypherpigyour chatter sucks
03:58:30cypherpigit sucks balls
03:58:34Davide-NYCIs anyone involved with the design of the RockboxPlaver prototype here?
03:58:59*Davide-NYC I love the ignore switch
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03:59:28Psykez666i put initialize now and it says updating in background
03:59:29Strife89Sorry to be off topic, but: Ignore switch?
03:59:54Davide-NYCif you type /ignore
04:00:05Strife89psyke666: it should. Just keep an eye on the disk icon.
04:00:14Davide-NYCfollowed by the nick of the bothersome individual... well you can guess what happens.
04:00:25Psykez666how can their is no disk icon
04:00:31Psykez666thats whats weird
04:00:36Strife89Is /unignore a command?
04:00:42Davide-NYCno clue
04:00:52Psykez666i can feel the ipod ticking though
04:01:14Strife89psykez666: then leave it alone until you don't
04:01:37Psykez666is their a way to check the progress?
04:01:43Strife89Better yet, put it to you ear so you can HEAR when it stops.
04:01:59Strife89No way I know of.
04:03:19Strife89From the main menu, go to System/ Debug (Keep Out!)/ View Database Info
04:03:48Strife89Tell me EXACTLY (as in word for word) what it says there.
04:03:59Psykez666progress 1% hehe
04:04:12Strife89Negative or positive?
04:04:20Davide-NYCUrghh, forums are down.
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04:04:47Strife89Davide: Yeah, we noticed. Stick around.
04:05:03Psykez666negative :(
04:05:31Strife89psyke666: That means it's not doing anything; it should be done.
04:05:39Strife89Give me ALL the info.
04:05:54Psykez666ok here it is
04:06:17Strife89keep going
04:06:19Psykez666DB Ready: Yes
04:06:29Psykez666RAM Cache: No
04:06:36Strife89same here....
04:06:37Psykez666RAM: 0/0B
04:07:11Strife89keep going....
04:07:17Psykez666Progress:-1% [3043 entries "and it keeps going up"}
04:07:35Psykez666Curfile:- many
04:07:45Strife89difference there; mine say "0 entries"
04:07:52Psykez666commit step: O
04:07:54Strife89curfile: −−−−-
04:08:04Strife89commit step good..
04:08:07Psykez666it changes real fast
04:08:14Psykez666in curfile
04:08:40Psykez666and its in the music file
04:08:45Strife89Commit delayed: says what?
04:09:07Psykez666like "Ipod_control/Music/f1"
04:09:21Psykez666then "Ipod_control/Music/f2"
04:09:24Strife89might be the file it's checking on
04:09:31Psykez666but just brief flashes
04:09:33Strife89file or folder
04:09:42Strife89(not a question)
04:10:31Psykez666you have an ipod right
04:10:34Strife89Not sure about the progress percentage being like it is, but it sounds like it's still going.
04:11:03Strife89Nope, I have a Sansa c250 (flash based, not hard drive based like your iPod)
04:11:32Psykez666damn i think it might have messed up my ipod :(
04:12:07Strife89Do you need my Hotmail? (I need to go to bed; we can continue tomorrow)
04:12:26Psykez666what time is it over there?
04:12:41Strife89michael-carr [at] hotmail [dot] com
04:12:48Strife8910:13 PM
04:13:08Strife89replace [at] and [dot] with appropriate symbols
04:13:18Strife89spam protection
04:13:55Strife89logging on BRIEFLY to check
04:14:35Strife89logged on; added me yet?
04:14:51Psykez666ill do it later
04:15:05Strife89make sure you remember
04:15:21Strife89I'll check in tomorrow; hopefully we can fix this.
04:15:31Strife89Good night. :-)
04:15:38Psykez666good night
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05:32:32HorschtI was wondering, is it possible to have two rockbox builds installed?
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05:35:18HorschtI assume Loader2 from IPL (for ipods) is required to do that
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05:37:08LloreanActually, custom compiled builds that look for information in a folder other than .rockbox are required.
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05:37:41cool_walking_I use the rockbox bootloader and just rename .rockbox to .rockbox-2, and .rockbox-someotherversion to .rockbox, then reboot.
05:37:50LloreanOther than that, you can actually load a different build of Rockbox by clicking on it's binary (.ipod file) in the file browser, assuming that's working right now.
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05:38:35cramertheasianAnypeople on here?
05:38:49Horschtwell, then I could simply create an entry on Loader2 that would load rockboxnew.ipod, Llorean, no?
05:39:15Horschtgiven, that I'd only copy over the binary compiled from source
05:39:45cool_walking_But you need the whole .rockbox directory.
05:39:59cool_walking_Plugins at least, and possibly codecs, break between versions.
05:40:02HorschtI have one allready
05:40:28cramertheasianOh cool, um alright, I'm trying to put this on my 1st Gen iPod Nano, and it gives me this message: "Rockbox boot loader Version: 2.0 IPOD version: 0x000C0005 SST55LD019K-45-C-MWE No partition found Hold MENU+SELECT to reboot then SELECT+PLAY for disk mode". What do I do?
05:40:36cool_walking_You can't use a new rockbox.ipod with an old .rockbox directory - all the plugins will be broken
05:40:46LloreanHorscht: Yes, but then your plugins, codecs, and other files would be for the old rockbox.ipod, not the rockboxnew.ipod, which depending on the patches applied, might cause problems.
05:40:53LloreanHorscht: Why exactly do you need two different builds?
05:41:23Lloreancool_walking_: That's not a given. If they're compiled from the same SVN revision, and the patches don't touch the plugin API, it should be fine.
05:41:31Horschthave one "recent" build for bugs etc. and have an old-ish (15979) for performance
05:41:58cramertheasianCan I have an answer please?
05:42:00Horschtcause starting fron 16105, builds for Ipod Video 64MB are hardly usable
05:42:33Horschtcramertheasian, do you have a Mac Ipod?
05:42:58Horschtrockbox wont work on macpods, you have to convert it to fat32 first
05:43:10cramertheasianHow do I do that?
05:43:32HorschtI will go offline now. laters
05:43:37LloreanHorscht: What's the most recent build you've tried?
05:43:50Horscht3 or 4 days ago, Llorean
05:43:50LloreanHorscht: There was a recent fix that should reduce a lot of disk thrashing, I think.
05:44:11cramertheasianDo i have to reinstall the Rockbox stuff?
05:44:25Horschtthat's why i was asking, I would like to try it out, without having to worry i will be without music the next 4 hours
05:44:31cool_walking_cramertheasian: Yes. The procedure will completely wipe your iPod.
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05:44:54cool_walking_cramertheasian: So back up all your music.
05:44:58cramertheasianOh, another question, if I use the Rockbox installer, do I have to use the Bootloader installer?
05:45:14LloreanHorscht: You realize you can try it out, then copy your old build back, you don't need to do anything complicated...
05:45:52Horschtwell, not when i am on the train, Llorean ;)
05:46:18Horschtanyways, cool_walking_ gave me a good idea, simply naming the old directory .rockbox-2 or something
05:47:03cramertheasianIf I use the Rockbox installer, do I have to use the Bootlaoder installer too
05:47:05LloreanHorscht: Rockbox has a copy and paste function. rename the old build to .rockbox-backup, install the new build. If it doesn't work, delete .rockbox, and before rebooting, rename .rockbox-backup
05:47:18Lloreancramertheasian: read the manual
05:47:26Horschtyes, that's what i'll do. anyways, I am off laters
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06:26:31J3TC-Hrmm...that's odd
06:26:59J3TC-Every time I turn on my player, I get this high pitch noise for half a second and then resumes playing
06:34:41*J3TC- tries to figure out next morning.
06:34:44J3TC-Need sleep :[
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06:48:30awesomoHey, how come when I changed the theme on my iPod, it turned all white?
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06:51:34awesomoHow come when I changed the theme on my iPod, it turned all white?
06:51:49Lloreanawesomo: You don't need to repeat the question, especially after only waiting 3 minutes.
06:51:51cool_walking_Is the theme all white??
06:52:08awesomoBut I guess something is wrong with the theme
06:52:18misticjeff*Llorean - no idea why the forums are down....
06:52:20cool_walking_So it's a completely white screen?
06:52:38awesomoBut it still functions
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06:52:46Lloreanmisticjeff: :( Unfortunate.
06:52:54misticjeffit's not the server
06:53:00Lloreanawesomo: Does your old font have white text?
06:53:04misticjeffservers been up and fine all day
06:53:05awesomoBecause when I select certain things it has like "Scanning disk"
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06:53:15Lloreanmisticjeff: Well, that error suggests the database is damaged and needs repaired. Not sure how to go about it though
06:53:39misticjeffi'll have my guy dig into it as soon as possible
06:54:34awesomoI tried reinstalling the Firmware and deleting and reinstalling some themes, but it doesn't do anything
06:54:58cool_walking_Possibly it set your background and foreground colours to white. Try rebooting with default settings (flick "hold" straight after the backlight comes on, when booting).
06:55:27cool_walking_*flick "hold" on
06:55:48awesomoOh thanks, that did it
06:56:43cool_walking_You'll have to save those settings, or next time you reboot without doing the "hold" trick, your white screen will be back.
06:57:17awesomoHow do I do that?
06:57:28cool_walking_Somewhere in the menu... "save config" or something.
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07:48:40thedudeabideshow well do aac's and protected songs work with rockbox?
07:49:06scorcheaacs work, DRM infested aacs dont
07:49:46thedudeabidesSo like songs I bought from iTunes wouldn't work?
07:50:19scorcheiTunes has both DRM-free songs and songs that have DRM
07:50:39scorcheso, that would depend on which ones you purchased
07:51:19thedudeabidesAre there any good free converting programs?
07:51:38scorchewhat sort of converting?
07:52:02thedudeabidesWell, just stripping the DRM off, or converting m4a's to mp3
07:52:14scorchewell, that is offtopic for this channel
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08:29:39cdiddyhello, on my e200 with rockbox, the video playsback but the colors are all wierd −− almost inverted. I was wondering if there was fix for this.
08:29:47cdiddyIve googled and searched everywhere to no avail
08:29:53cdiddyAnybody have any ideas?
08:31:00GodEatercdiddy: does the video playback okay on your PC ?
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08:32:26cdiddyyes. perfect. Ive tried various encoders as well. It seems to be the e200. It played before ... when I first installed last september just fine, but now no luck
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08:32:51cdiddyGodEater: im stumped
08:33:13GodEaterhow large is the video
08:34:05cdiddyGodEater: ive tried files as small as 3 megs all the way up to 100 megs
08:34:41cdiddyIve used ffmpeg, memencoder and on the windows side super, and winff which are, I think, the linux equivs. all seem to do the same thing
08:34:54GodEatercan you send me a sample 3 meg one so I can check it myself ?
08:35:05GodEateri.e. upload it somewhere :)
08:35:15cdiddyCertainly, give me a moment
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08:40:55GodEaterlooks like the Creative Zen port is finally off the ground
08:41:47cdiddyGodEater: The new one?
08:41:57cdiddyGodEater: im uploading to my web server right now
08:43:47GodEatercdiddy: it's the Vision:M
08:43:55GodEaterand let me know the url when you're done
08:44:18GodEaterI wish mcuelenaere would post a picture of it booting...
08:51:27cdiddyalmost done
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09:05:18cdiddyGodEater: Just sent you the urls
09:07:15LloreanGodEater: I'm excited about the Vision M. I think that brings us up to 5 on-the-verge targets, doesn't it?
09:07:28LloreanMROBEs 100 and 500, Vision: M, Gigabeast, and Cowon D2?
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09:09:07amiconnLlorean: plus iAudio M3. Although nothing is committed, this should be an easy port
09:10:17GodEateramiconn: don't forget the Logix DAB thing ;)
09:10:31GodEaterassuming linuxstb doesn't forget it that is
09:12:28Lloreanamiconn: well, I'm just going with "things I've seen people working on recently, and seem to have a straight shot from "here" to "usable" without too many obvious surprises along the way"
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09:15:21GodEatercdiddy: well - it plays back fine here
09:15:29GodEateralthough I'm not using a sansa, I'm using a gigabeat
09:15:48GodEaterso unless someone's broken the lcd driver in the sansa recently
09:15:54GodEaterit should be playing back fine on your device too
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09:18:09cdiddyGodEater: it playsback fine, but the color isnt there at all. Its all blueish and yellowish and inverted. The audio comes through just fine, but its the color. If you have used photoshop, it reminds me when a photo is inverted
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09:18:35GodEatercdiddy: when I say it playsback fine here, I mean I don't see those symptoms at all
09:18:37GodEaterit looks fine
09:19:05GodEatermaybe if llorean is feeling generous he could check the same vid on his e200 for you
09:19:11cdiddyhmmm .... Im stumped ... i updated the build as well today and that didnt seem to work
09:19:13LinusNsounds like an lcd driver issue, or a glitch in mpegplayer
09:19:27LloreanGodEater: Can't right now. e200 is packed
09:19:31GodEaterah ok
09:19:37LloreanOtherwise I happily would
09:19:45LloreanI only have access to a Gigabeat F, and Gigabeat S at the moment
09:19:46GodEaterLinusN: if it were a glitch in mpegplayer surely I'd see it on my target too ?
09:19:52LloreanAnd no means of compiling.
09:19:57LinusNGodEater: yes
09:20:11GodEaterthen I don't think it's that
09:20:37GodEaterso I think lcd driver is most likely the problem
09:20:44GodEateror the hardware may have developed a fault ?
09:21:10LinusNdo we still lower the voltage to the lcd as a battery saving measure?
09:21:35*GodEater looks carefully blank
09:22:02GodEaterLlorean: so apparently the gigabeat now plays nicely with all it's plugins ?
09:22:49*GodEater is attempting Nico's tar trick
09:23:34LinusNcdiddy: can you try the daily build from feb 9?
09:24:49cdiddyLinusN: yes. I will do that now
09:25:41amiconnLinusN: Did you see the debug menu discussion in the logs?
09:25:49LloreanGodEater: I haven't actually installed anything on my Gigabeat yet
09:25:57LinusNamiconn: no, will have a look
09:26:09GodEaterLlorean: too busy huh ? :)
09:29:14LloreanBeen a somewhat busy, yeah.
09:29:26LloreanAlso, don't I need access to a linux environment? I guess I could burn a liveCD.
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09:30:36cdiddyLinusN: no luck with that build
09:30:54LinusNcdiddy: ok, that was still useful information
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09:31:10BigBambihello all
09:31:19LinusNnext thing to try is to play a clip encoded by someone else
09:32:06LinusNamiconn: i have read it now
09:32:28*GodEater aplauds Nico_P's work
09:32:30cdiddyLinusN: isnt there a file on the wiki to download?
09:32:48LinusNcdiddy: maybe, i'm not sure if there is one suitable for the e200 though
09:32:58BigBambiGodEater: Good init :)
09:33:04cdiddyill look
09:33:14BigBambiI was overjoyed the first time I saw Rockbox boot on my S
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09:33:45LloreanLinusN: The H300 one ought to be.
09:33:46*BigBambi assumes that is what you were talking about (tar and that, although I haven't actually tried that bit yet)
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09:35:40GodEaterBigBambi: does the off switch work ?
09:36:02GodEaterah - you've not tried the full rockbox environment yet ?
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09:36:40BigBambiGodEater: No, I last tried it a few days ago
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09:36:58BigBambiAnd the off switch didn't work then from what I remember
09:37:27BigBambiIncidently, when I left the house this morning my E260 had been playing for over 15hrs straight - I'll do on OF tonight tomorrow to compare :)
09:39:49GodEaterwell the tar code works perfectly
09:39:55GodEateryou get a complete .rockbox directory
09:41:32BigBambiSo tar .rockbox, transfer it and the bootloader automatically untars?
09:43:08GodEaternot quite
09:43:13GodEater"make tar" after make
09:43:26GodEaterthat takes care of what needs to be added to the file
09:43:31BigBambih yes, I forgot about that
09:43:33GodEaterthen mtp-sendfile it
09:43:45GodEatermake sure you're running the 00000004 bootloader
09:43:48GodEaterand away you go
09:44:13BigBambiCool, I'll try this evening. I have neither linux, a dev environment, or my gigabeast at work :)
09:44:21GodEatershame :)
09:44:36BigBambiyup :)
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10:14:50cdiddyThanks for the help guys; Im going to take this problem on another night
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10:53:01mrkikotwo notes about rockbox on H340 ...
10:53:20mrkiko1 - If you disable fade during stop and pause, then enable the setting
10:53:31mrkikowhich simulates the iPod behaviour when pressing keys, the player
10:53:50mrkikowill do two glitches when restarting the audio, instead of doing one when you pause and anoher when you unpause.
10:56:55advcomp2019mrkiko, you talking about a delay?
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11:10:11mrkikoadvcomp2019: ... in what sense?
11:12:19advcomp2019mrkiko, so i do not need to type it all out.. here is some else with the same issue as me from the log:
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12:09:58GodEaterNico_P: I had a chance to try out the tar file implementation you did - nice work!
12:10:37gevaertsCould someone with an ipod do a USB test for me ?
12:10:53*GodEater volunteers
12:11:59Nico_PGodEater: thanks :)
12:12:32gevaertsGodEater: in usb_drv_init() in usb-drv-pp502x.c there's a line that forces the device to full speed (REG_PORTSC1 |= PORTSCX_PORT_FORCE_FULL_SPEED). Could you try removing that and see what happens ? On sansa it makes the partition table read fail, but I'm not sure if this is a general PP problem or just sansa
12:13:06GodEatergevaerts: give me a few mins to apply the patch in the first place, and I'll get right on it
12:13:25gevaertsGodEater: plain svn should be fine. Just use -DUSE_ROCKBOX_USB
12:13:34GodEaterah ok
12:13:46GodEaterjust add that to CFLAGS ?
12:14:04gevaertsI usually add it to the EXTRA_DEFINES in the makefile
12:14:41GodEaterok - I'll do that instead
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12:15:24gevaertsIt's just that as far as I know the high-speed problem has only ever been seen on sansa, most probably because nobody ever tried it on ipod.
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12:18:58GodEaterbuilding now
12:20:46LloreanOn a vaguely related note, have the guys tried to get the USB code even in a vaguely usable state on gigabeast, even if it's slow, for easier testing?
12:21:02GodEaterNico_P: do you know if the Power button is just disabled? Or do we not know how to power down the S yet ?
12:21:21GodEaterLlorean: no-one with the right level of clue has tried yet
12:21:27Nico_PGodEater: I don't know, but I guess the latter
12:21:50GodEatergood to know it's not just me then
12:23:09gevaertsLlorean: as far as I know it's basically a matter to find the correct device enable and/or device reset bits.
12:23:51gevaertsLlorean: once that's done the driver _should_ support the gigabeat S, since we're actually using the iMX31 documentation to write it
12:24:08GodEaternot good news
12:24:22GodEatergevaerts: the iPod just hung when I put the cable in
12:25:02GodEaterit unhung when I removed it though ;)
12:25:03Lloreangevaerts: That's what got me thinking about it. And USB support on the S would I think make life a good deal better for the people working on it, since right now they must us MTP to copy things over.
12:25:09gevaertsGodEater: any dmesg output ?
12:26:32GodEaterright - on reinserting the cable I got the usual usb plug on the device screen
12:26:39GodEaterso it appears to be seeing the connection properly
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12:28:59GodEater <−− dmesg output :(
12:30:02gevaertsThat's exactly the same as on a sansa, so it does appear to be a general portalplayer issue. Thanks for confirming that
12:31:47*gevaerts hopes that the gigabeat S people find their usb enable bit soon. That will confirm if it's a portalplayer issue or just a wrong reading of the controller spec somewhere
12:33:56gevaertsI think this hardware people are designing to run rockbox should be portalplayer based. That might help us getting data sheets
12:35:18GodEatersome hope!
12:35:58*gevaerts can't help dreaming
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12:38:55*gevaerts goes to several chip manufacturers and says "Hi! I'm designing a new DAP. I think I might sell ten or twenty of them. Can you provide full documentation for your chips to help me decide which one I should use ?"
12:39:28*GodEater expects nVidia won't even be polite enough to respond with a "no", and will just ignore gevaerts' email
12:39:58*gevaerts the finds himself sitting on the sidewalk wondering why they threw him out so forcefully
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12:47:50*Llorean wonders when the forums got fixed
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12:51:39*GodEater wonders when they were broken
12:51:48*Bagder sings a song
12:52:16LloreanThey were broken for hours today
12:52:22GodEaterI didn't notice
12:52:24LloreanJeff even came by to let us know he didn't know what was causing it.
12:52:30GodEaterthat was nice of him
12:52:32*gevaerts suggests to make an analysis of post dates, which might point to gaps
12:52:51LloreanConsidering there were only about 7 posts or so i hadn't read, it must've come back up quite recently
12:53:42*pixelma guessed that LinusN fixed them in the morning
12:53:51LloreanHmm, post time suggests they were fixed 4-ish hours ago.
12:53:59LloreanI swear I checked within the last 4 hours though
12:54:24LloreanThey were down at least 7 hours according to the gap.
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13:03:14XavierGrwell I will be damned... It is snowing here! That's the first time doing it inside the city. :D
13:03:33XavierGrah sorry for the off-topic
13:03:39Bagderhah, and we have +6C ;-)
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13:04:55XavierGrwe have about that too +-1C. Pitty that it only falls, it doesn't get to stack up in the roads :(
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13:09:27*Bagder scratches head
13:09:52Bagderthe .lng files get a different size with the Fs#8482 build
13:10:21LinusNi fixed the forums this morning
13:10:38LinusNit is always the same thing: corrupted database tables
13:11:12Bagderspeaking of bad stuff, I finally found one case of bad svn use on the build server yday
13:11:34Bagderwhich could be the reason it sometimes didn't notice commits and sometimes went locked
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13:18:03Bagderits just when they climb mountains
13:18:10Bagderthey make "attempts" for the top
13:19:54*petur figures Jeff is nice because he's waiting for a fix for the CF issue :)
13:20:24Bagderright, once he's gotten that he'll shut the forums down!
13:20:51pixelmaBagder: speaking of which, I wondered why the .wps commit this night triggered a new build round
13:21:15Bagder if($path !~ /^(rbutil|manual)/) {
13:21:27BagderI guess wps should be added there
13:21:49LinusNwell, i don't think so
13:21:54Bagderunless we want to offer new zips of course
13:22:01LinusNsince the wps'es are part of the zip
13:22:28Bagderyeah, and it's better to do one build too many than too few, imho
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13:23:29*Bagder now hopes for some bonus green delta points
13:24:27Bagderif things go right, the language warnings will now turn up as yellows
13:24:35Bagderthey did...
13:26:05pixelmahmm, but I'm almost certain that commits to the wps dir once were excluded, at least in cvs times...
13:26:22Bagder-5922 on the player is kind of cool...
13:26:42Bagder-5200 on the ondio sp
13:26:47amiconnLinusN: Any opinion on the debug_menu thing?
13:27:23Bagderand actually, thats -10400 ram usage
13:27:25LinusNamiconn: i saw little discussion about the debug menu and much discussion about the target tree and target specific apps/ code
13:28:14LinusNamiconn: you mean doing the actual hardware stuff in the target tree and just use the debug menu as a front end?
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13:29:14amiconnMy opinion is that it would be best to put the target specific parts of the debug menu into separate files under apps/debug/
13:29:33LinusNsounds fair enough
13:29:59amiconnNo other apps code should contain significant amounts of target specific code that would warrant an apps/target/ sub-tree
13:30:26amiconnAnd the .lds files should be moved into the target tree, including
13:36:01Bagderthe entire files?
13:36:09Bagderor just the defines the .lds files use?
13:36:13LinusNis the debug menu really that much of a problem today?
13:37:13peturit is a bit of an #ifdef hell of course
13:37:37peturbut I wouldn't care for a debug menu
13:38:08*petur wants to nag amiconn about CF again
13:39:07LinusNpetur: my point exactly, it's only a debug menu
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13:41:22amiconnLinusN: The debug menu is an ifdef hell, and quite long. Splitting it would make it easier to find stuff
13:41:42n1sBagder: seems lang/Makefile is missing from FILES, also nice ram save! :)
13:43:02Bagderthanks, added that now
13:43:34amiconnaustriancoder reverted his split-off for PP, but pointed out that some debug menu parts for s3c2440 and m:robe 500 already are in target tree (where they don't belong imo)
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13:44:59LinusNi agree about keeping the debug stuff in the apps tree
13:45:55LinusNand if someone feels that it is important to split the file info many, go ahead
13:46:30LinusNit's not on the top of my prio list, but someone else might have a shorter list than i do
13:46:53peturor an unsorted one...
13:47:29preglowi've got a binary tree :/
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14:19:18aliaskGodEater: The power button on the Gigabeast isn't a button in the sense that the others are - it's just tied to an interrupt on the power management chip (which we don't have the datasheet for)
14:20:00GodEateraliask: ah ok
14:24:38*preglow sees he has indeliberately given the gigabeat a nickname...
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14:30:45aliaskjhMikeS: Around?
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14:33:17Lloreanpreglow: And a damn fine one at that
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14:38:25quickquestionhi, does anybody know where I would be able to obtain an older build, say, from oct. 2007? Does not seem to be on the main site
14:38:39soapyou would have to build one yourself, quickquestion.
14:38:55soapIs there a specific reason you're looking for such an old build?
14:39:49quickquestionsoap: I just installed a new build and the bookmark control is changed and it doesn't seem to work correctly; it freezes my mp3 player when i try to reload them. It seems to me that the developers are working on it, but no solution as of yet
14:39:56quickquestionWould you know anything?
14:40:19quickquestionThe one from october worked just fine
14:40:24preglowLlorean: remarkably catchy for a typo, isn't it :)
14:40:28soapWhat device are you using quickquestion?
14:40:50quickquestione200 non r v.1
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14:42:36soapI am no expert on bookmarks, you might want to wait for someone better than I to speak on the current status of that subject.
14:44:51quickquestionfrom what I've found on the forums, it seems to be a problem that others are having since jan 19. problem is the builds on main page only go as far back as that date. Not critical, but audibook peeps freak out
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14:57:39*aliask can't figure out how to make the SPI driver interrupt based.
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14:58:41aliaskHow can I deliver the received bytes back to the calling function?
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15:05:40peturaliask: store in a buffer and send a message to the calling function?
15:06:10aliaskSend a message"
15:07:22peturnever done it for Rockbox but there is either a message queue or you could use a variable to poll on
15:10:12aliaskIf I was polling a variable then I may as well not make it interrupt based - the SPI interface has a status register which the current method polls which I assume would be equivalent to polling some variable that is set by an interrupt.
15:10:46Nico_Paliask: what is the SPI?
15:11:42aliaskSerial interface, it's used to communicate to the power management chip. I wrote a driver for it but jhMikeS disabled it because it apparently hung sometimes.
15:12:23aliaskThere are a few things I know how to do with the PMU, like turn off the power and turn the backlight on and off.
15:12:32*gevaerts just found out why this his latest SCSI work didn't behave properly
15:12:38peturaliask: you could check other drivers to find one that uses IRQ, the ones I know of don't
15:12:55peturaliask: when polling, inc a timeout variable
15:12:58*aliask wishes the mc13783 datasheet was available
15:13:38Nico_Paliask: nice. so how would shutdown work?
15:13:40aliaskpetur: I have a timeout in the existing code
15:13:53peturthen how can it hang?
15:13:58Nico_Pthe off button fires an interrupt, and you get the result of tat interrupt throught the SPI?
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15:14:26aliaskNico_P: I don't know if it's the "cleanest" way but you can tell the PMU to stop providing power to the ARM
15:14:28amiconnThere are several interrupt based drivers, e.g. the wheel driver for 1st/2nd/3rd gen and mini 1st gen ipods
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15:15:10aliaskNico_P: I'm not entirely sure how the interrupts work through the PMU
15:15:27aliaskamiconn: Thanks, I'll take a look.
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15:16:06Nico_Paliask: what about the suspend, like the OF does?
15:16:29aliaskNico_P: I think that's done in the ARM core (but I'm not sure)
15:17:05aliaskTurning the power off at the PMU works nicely I think, because the power button actually turns it back on
15:18:20aliask(and there should be very little power drain while it's in the "off" state)
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15:19:53Nico_Pbtw, do you know what causes undefined instruction errors in the codecs (at least MP3)?
15:23:31aliaskPossibly a linking error? Is there a (or equivalent)?
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15:24:17amiconncodecs use
15:24:35peppoanyone know where one can find an 80GB iPod Video 5.5G in sweden?
15:25:46aliaskI noticed that jhMikeS disabled the IRAM in, perhaps it doesn't work?
15:26:02peppoor should I hold out with my mobile phone and wait and see if "Classic" is supported?
15:26:26Zagorpeppo: blocket?
15:26:51aliaskpeppo: I wouldn't hold your breath on the classic being supported
15:26:53peppoZagor, probably? :( all places I found new are actually Classics
15:27:48peppono 80gbs on blocket :/
15:28:03peppowhat other large capacity units are supported by RB?
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15:28:56cart66which is better on rockbox mpeg1 or 2?
15:29:49cart66for an ipod...
15:30:22peppoI should perhaps just get an iaudio x5 again
15:30:27peppobut they're only 30gb :/ sigh
15:30:42n1sthere are 60 gb x5's
15:31:23peppotoo bad I can't find any to buy then :(
15:32:14Zagorwhat's the visual difference btwn 5g and 5.5g?
15:32:36n1sZagor: don't think there is one...
15:32:48cart66oh yes i'm also having a problem with the audio cuting out before the video is done, although the sink is right.
15:33:19peppohm. seems there's no viable mp3-ogg-flac-lastfm enabled players that are 60GB+ out there?
15:34:14peturgigabeat? iriver with hdd upgrade?
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15:36:25peppodidn't know of these brands, well, not gigabeat at least
15:37:13peturpeppo: see the list on Support for the S model is underway
15:37:25peppogigabeat aren't sold in sweden :/
15:37:32Zagorpeppo: I spot three used 80gb on blocket. what am I missing?
15:37:41peppoZagor, my poor search skills
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15:40:03peppothanks Zagor!
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15:44:57cart66rockbox mpeg doesnt play the whole file, stops at the last 1minute to go. is it supposed to do that?
15:46:03LinusNcart66: what is "rockbox mpeg"?
15:46:19LinusNdo you mean mpegplayer?
15:46:29cart66yes thankyou
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15:46:46LinusNregardless, it is naturally not supposed to stop playing with 1 minute left
15:47:37LinusNdoes it happen with all files or only one?
15:47:48cart66its only 25megs, 320x240 on an ipod video
15:48:05cart66yes i've encoded the file maydiffrent ways
15:48:44cart66both flask and vlc mpeg files
15:49:00LinusNdoes it also happen with the elephants dream file from
15:49:26cart66downing it right now very slowly
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15:54:36cart66i can get 15 fps/at 288x192 or 11fps 320x480 orginal res 720x480 from my disc for some reson. then the audio cuts out for a bit and it stops playing before it finishes
15:55:19cart66is this a buffer under run with my ipod, how low should i set my bit rates?
15:55:31gevaertsZagor: did you look at the current ums patches recently ? UMS handling is now non-blocking, and there is no long-running stuff left in interrupt context
15:56:20gevaertsZagor: if I count right we need only a few more SCSI commands to to be fully compliant, so that shouldn't take too long.
15:56:42LinusNcart66: that is possible. we are having disk performance issues in the rockbox code at the moment
15:58:03LinusNcart66: it still sounds odd that it stops playing
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15:58:49LinusNgevaerts: but we still need to find out how to use high speed...
15:59:16cart66i have bigger res files music videos like 340x288 or something that play till the end but he sink is off horably. oh well, i was just wondering what i was doing wrong
16:00:29LinusNmpegplayer is not very fast om the ipod video ...
16:00:33cart66the audio is ahead of the video by 20 seconds
16:00:58cart66ya i wish it was...dang apple.
16:01:07LinusNwow, then you are doing something wrong
16:01:38amiconncart66: Did you perhaps disable 'skip frames' and/or 'limit fps'?
16:01:43cart66how low should my bit rates be?
16:01:46LinusNyou should have skip frames enabled, and keep the bit rate fairly low
16:01:59amiconnThey are enabled by default, and should always be enabled except for performance tests
16:02:22cart66well then the frame ra drops to 5 or so, im sure its the skipframes tats messing things up
16:02:53cart66my ipod is a icrap.
16:03:28LinusNcart66: then you have encoded it with a far too high bitrate
16:03:55amiconnOn ipod video, full screen video will always skip frames, and must do so to keep sync
16:04:12cart66right how low should my kbps be for the vid and audio, its about 192 for the audio and 600 for the video.
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16:05:19cart66humm. i wish i could adjust flask's bitrate. i'll just use vlc. how high is high thats what i need to know?
16:05:36LinusNi think you should experiment
16:05:46cart66oh 97% elphants dream almost downed
16:05:59LinusNfind a bitrate that gives decent quality for you
16:07:01cart66lol i suppose so.
16:07:12cart66ok loading elphant.
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16:10:36gevaertsLinusN: yes. Unfortunately I still have no clue on that one
16:11:11LinusNi guess we have to disassembler the OF some more...
16:11:26LinusNsomething i don't particularly enjoy
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16:14:10cart66after loading rockbox when ever i try to do anyting excetp copy a file to my ipod, ie cut paste delete it freezes my computer.
16:14:11GodEaterLinusN: wrt "disk problems" are we likely to revert jhMikes spinlock stuff at all - I just went back to a build using it and had forgoten how horrible it was...
16:14:53LinusNGodEater: i don't think we will
16:15:01cart66back to my issue. yes elefants dream, the sync is off something awful. w/o limt and skip frame
16:15:21cart66and the video frose.
16:15:24LinusNcart66: you *need* skip frames and limit fps
16:15:38gevaertsLinusN: another way might be to use the jtag port to see how the OF sets various registers, if someone has the equipment for that. Unfortunately then the question is 'which registers ?'
16:16:17GodEaterLinusN: does that imly someone has an idea of how to fix it ?
16:16:33cart66i got the clamed 14fps though, ok skip and limt on
16:16:38LinusNhas anyone ever connected a jtag debugger to a portalplayer target?
16:16:56*GodEater doesn't know of anyone who owns a jtag debugger
16:17:07cart66frozen ipod
16:17:33*amiconn still did not observe any spinlock related problem
16:17:54GodEateramiconn still has rather meagre usage of the features which cause it
16:18:55GodEaterit's entirely unusable with the config I normally use
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16:20:36cart66rebooted twice. playing, frame skips alot
16:21:37cart66sync is good i guess. yup the video froze.
16:22:12cart66are ipod video suppose to suck this bad?
16:22:29amiconn[16:03:55] <amiconn> On ipod video, full screen video will always skip frames, and must do so to keep sync
16:22:39amiconnIt's also mentioned on the mpegplayer wiki page
16:23:23cart66well its plan frozen. i guess im crap out of luck for videos.
16:23:23rasherBagder: nice line of green
16:23:53cart66i swear ipods are the plauge.
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16:26:23GodEatervery nice green
16:26:27GodEaterI hadn't even noticed ;)
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16:35:14cart66i used the vlc.bat off of my video is upside down.
16:35:51rashercart66: turn your player around
16:36:15cart66lol im gunna have to. iam so sick of troubles.
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16:36:24*GodEater thinks we should perhaps disable mpegplayer for the ipod video since it performs so badly.
16:36:47cart66no i'll live itunes sucks much wirse
16:37:03cart66its ok
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16:39:17cart66uhf ipod fliped it around. ':)
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16:44:34cart66ok for others that ask 300kbps vid 160kbps audio runs at 20.4fps w/o limt or skip frames. sync off by 2minute good but finishes ok.
16:45:48preglowsomeone go optimize the mpeg decoder if it sucks so bad, then :>
16:46:36FebsHmmm. I just noticed that although my Sansa c250 says "v2" on the case, the firmware version is 01.01.05.
16:47:08FebsI thought that the v2 models had firmware version 03.xx.xx.
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16:48:46B4gderFebs: they do
16:48:52scorche|wFebs: there have been a few sheep in wolf's clothing
16:49:01B4gderbut we've seen "v2" labelled ones being v1 before
16:49:05cart66much better now. again same vid, but with skip and limt on sync and finishes perfectly. 17fps.
16:49:22cart66perfect thanyou so much
16:49:28FebsSo this might be a v1 after all? That would make my day, because the OF really sucks.
16:49:30rasherB4gder: did you catch whatever the error was with the build last night? Seems the language files were broken as well
16:49:34scorche|wFebs: yup
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16:49:58B4gderrasher: yes, was an error in the apps/langs/Makefile
16:49:59B4gderI found it and fixed it
16:50:54B4gderFebs: yes, it is a v1 no doubt
16:51:09FebsWoo hoo!
16:52:07preglowso they're selling units that are supposed to handle audible, but doesn't?
16:52:58B4gderwell, I'm not sure these are claimed to do audible on the package?
16:52:58scorche|wpreglow: they are just putting new backplates on some refurb units
16:53:06rasherpreglow: They're selling whatever they can put together
16:53:49gevaertsMine claimed audible support
16:54:13B4gderoh, then they do ;-)
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17:04:10rasherWould anyone with a playback clue would be interested in doing FS #6083 properly? The patch probably doesn't apply anymore, but the idea is awfully simple
17:05:08rasherI'm sure it'd work fine on the gigabeast though
17:06:37preglowshit, that's kinda nasty
17:06:43amiconnImho it should be made synchronous (i.e. announcement_1 -> track_1 -> announcement_2 -> track_2 etc)
17:07:01amiconnThat would even be possible on hwcodec
17:07:14rasheramiconn: yeah, I have that in a comment. It's better for many reasons
17:07:38rasher1) The processor has time to decode the clip 2) It isn't drowned out by the music
17:08:06rasherI just don't know how to control playback in that way, so...
17:08:27amiconnWell, the clip would "simply" need to be schedules as a track
17:08:44amiconnOf course without influencing track count, playlist position etc
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17:09:25rasherYeah, it should just be "silently" (without telling any other parts of Rockbox about it) on each new track
17:10:32*amiconn would like that feature. It'd allow studying a new album whithout looking at the display
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17:16:36pixelmaFebs: the only thing is that in the c200's OF version 1.01.05 they removed the MSC mode Setting but I've heard it's no problem if you are on linux since linux doesn't know about MTP
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17:17:23GodEaterpixelma, not without libmtp installed anyway
17:17:37GodEaterI thought you had to downgrade the firmware to get the MSC mode back again ?
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17:18:53*n1s facepalms
17:19:05*Horscht facepalms n1s
17:19:08pixelmaGodEater: no, you don't have to they didn't remove the mode, just the setting
17:19:14GodEaterah I see
17:19:21*Nico_P still doesn't know what "facepalm" means
17:19:31GodEaterhit your face with the palm of your hand
17:19:45Horschtit's the act of slapping ones face with your palm
17:19:56Nico_Paaah! :)
17:19:59GodEaternormally done when you realise you've just done something stupid...
17:20:01Strife89looking for a user whose username ends with "666"
17:20:12GodEateror can't believe that someone else has done similar
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17:20:31Strife89Does the name ring bells?
17:20:34pixelmaand there's also a button, hold switch + whatever combo to get it into MSC mode manually (just like the dozens of other modes...)
17:20:45pixelma^ GodEater :)
17:20:47*Nico_P could've done that when he found out that rockbox's mkdir failed when the path ended with a slash
17:21:02Horschtyes, that would have been such an occasion, Nico_P
17:21:05Febspixelma: yes, I had that issue, but was able to downgrade the firmware, and I now have Rockbox running on my c250.
17:21:10GodEaterpixelma: I gathered that was for me ;)
17:21:47Nico_PHorscht: it's a bug I should fix
17:21:47pixelmaall nice then... :)
17:21:58*Nico_P takes off
17:23:00HorschtNico_P, what is a bug?
17:23:17Nico_Pthe trailing slash thing in mkdir
17:23:21GodEaternot being able to call mkdir with a path with a trailing '/'
17:23:27Horschtah, i thought you had already
17:23:38Horschtat least that's what i thought I had gathered yesterday
17:23:40Nico_Pno. I assumed it wasn't a bug and fixed my code
17:24:03Nico_PGodEater: mkdir thinks you're trying to create a dir with an empty name
17:24:06Nico_Pso it fails
17:24:25GodEaterthat's pretty stupid of it :)
17:24:32Nico_Pthat held me up quite a long time on the tar thing
17:24:35Horschtisn't fixing a bug the most desireable result when fixing ones code?
17:24:37GodEaterI bet
17:24:54GodEaterHorscht: yes, but you can only do that once you realise it's a bug
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17:25:01ctaylorrHi. Just there a reason why the `clean' target (from the makefile generated by choosing Sansa e200/Normal) removes directories like `apps'. It makes it impossible to `make clean' and then `make' <−− apps is from SVN.
17:25:16Horschtthat shows how much knowledge I have of coding
17:25:36GodEaterctaylorr: "make clean" followed by "make" works fine for me
17:25:37amiconnctaylorr: You are *not* supposed to build in the svn root. Make a build directory
17:25:48ctaylorramiconn: Ah. Thanks.
17:25:54GodEaterah, amiconn is more perceptive...
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17:26:43Horschteh? that was weird. I see someone said something after GodEater and before me, but I neither see a timestamp, nor a nick
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17:27:27Horschtah, highlighting the text helps
17:27:28ctaylorrHorscht: That was me.
17:28:02ctaylorrHorscht: That I know of, I have nothing special in my nick.
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17:31:08ctaylorrGodEater: Hmm...I remember building from SVN a long time ago. At some point did configure create the build directory and generate the Makefile there? Would be great to avoid confusion. Granted, good work on the Makefiles, though.
17:31:31GodEaterctaylorr: not that I ever recall no
17:31:40GodEaterI've always had to create a build directory
17:31:50ctaylorrGodEater: k
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17:32:40amiconnctaylorr: That wouldn't be as simple as it sounds, as one may want several build dirs for several targets, sims, voices ...
17:32:47*amiconn has a few dozen build dirs
17:33:23ctaylorramiconn: I'd suggest rigging the Makefile to not work out of the root, but it's refreshing to see working Makefiles. Hmm...guess education is key.
17:33:52amiconnIirc the Makefiles is supposed to do that, or at least was
17:34:16amiconnerm, I mean configure
17:35:14ctaylorrWould be cool to have it just create a unique build directory. If build exists, make a new one and throw the generated makefile in.
17:37:44GodEaterI think configure complains if you try to run it from the tools directory
17:37:51GodEaterI've never tried it from the svn root though
17:38:24GodEateryes, it doesn't complain if you run it there
17:41:08ctaylorrGodEater: An extra check for tools/configure (on top of a test for configure) should do the trick.
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18:37:17gevaertsDoes anyone here know anything about the cpu cache on pp502x ?
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18:39:34gevaertsI've been thinking about the usb high-speed issue, and I think the symptoms might be compatible with a caching issue : on write we have a problem every 32 bytes, and on read we have a problem after 95 bytes + a bad crc, so that might be 96 bytes. Since the cache is 32-byte aligned I think there might be a connection.
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18:46:34preglowjhMikeS knows a fair deal
18:47:00preglowand wouldn't hesitate to say he's the one with the greatest amount of knowledge in the area
18:48:28gevaertsThanks. I guess he'll answer when he's around
18:49:25preglowjust ask him and see if he is around :)
18:51:57gevaertsjhMikeS: are you around ? Can you look at what I said a few minutes ago and comment ?
18:52:04*gevaerts waits...
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18:55:44gevaertsThis is interesing. I can't reproduce the 32-byte repeating corruption on write any more.
18:57:25low_lightgevaerts: have you seen
18:59:42gevaertslow_light: I've seen it, but it was a while ago. It says a cacheline is 16bytes, which somewhat ruins my theory...
19:00:54Horscht32 is a multiple of 16 :p
19:02:06gevaertsYes, but it still doesn't match as nicely.
19:04:08*gevaerts can't reproduce the 32-byte repeating corruption on write any more, and starts some stress testing to make sure
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19:07:24gevaertsbertrik: did you read my comment about SCSI versions from last night on flyspray ?
19:07:49bertrikyes, I think I was wrong mentioning the RBC specs
19:07:51DerPapstgood morning ladies and gentleman. Quick question... what does "int lcd_getstringsize(const unsigned char *str, int *w, int *h);" actually return? Is it the same value as *w?
19:09:07gevaertsbertrik: probably. Anyway I'm pretty close to implementing all mandatory SBC-1 and SPC-2 commands now.
19:10:54low_lightDerPapst: yes
19:11:18gevaertsbetrik: SBC-2 has this intriguing thing about a VPD page that tells the host to limit transfers to whatever the device says. With some luck OSes actually implement that, and I guess being able to regain 64 or 96 kb of RAM offsets the added code easily
19:11:21bertrikgevaerts: cool. I wrote a mass storage device driver for a microcontroller and I'm using SBC-2 and SPC-3 for that, but I have to admit I don't really know if it's any better than SBC-1 + SPC-2
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19:12:15gevaertsbertrik: the differences in mandatory commands seem small.
19:12:26*gevaerts is going to eat something
19:12:38bertrikhmm, I wonder if windows or linux actually read the VPD data
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19:18:12BigBambiNico_P, GodEater: there?
19:18:44BigBambiDoes the gigabeast normal build compile for you with current SVN?
19:20:26*BigBambi slaps forhead
19:20:39BigBambiDon't worry, I was being stupid
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19:27:55DerPapstlow_light: thank you :-)
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19:34:48gevaertsbertrik: that's the main question. If one single common OS doesn't, I think we should stay with SBC-1 and SPC-2. We don't actually need the extra commands that the newer specs allow (READ10/WRITE10 allow for 2^32 blocks, which is 2TB with 512-byte blocks).
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19:38:04BigBambiNico_P: Great stuff on the untaring :)
19:38:28*gevaerts doesn't understand this. Why isn't this write corruption there any more ?
19:38:51GodEater_gevaerts: you remembered to sacrifice a chicken to the gods of usb this time ?
19:39:01amiconnPerhaps because your new code does something right that was wrong before?
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19:39:26GodEater_scorche|w: we certainly have enough of them to sacrifice ;)
19:40:04gevaertsamiconn: most probably, but I can't think what.
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19:40:56amiconnPerhaps now even highspeed will work...
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19:42:19gevaertsI tried that earlier today, but I might have done something wrong then. I'll try again after my md5sum is done
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19:43:39*gevaerts dislikes the OF enough to actually use the slow rockbox usb to check the flash content
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19:45:29bertrikI'll check out the latest patch and run it against USBCV
19:45:38bertrik(I'm still a bit too scared to run all MSC tests)
19:45:50nplussorry, is unifont the only font that has cyrillic characters?
19:46:41gevaertsbertrik: I think the MSC tests will always be dangerous. I'm considering a mode that only exposes the sd card for those tests
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19:47:05amiconngevaerts: Btw, as you seem to know this msc stuff rather well: How similar is mass storage via USB and mass storage via firewire?
19:47:09gevaertsNo errors in 750MB using 64 byte packets
19:47:14pixelmanplus: no, see here
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19:47:55nplusok, thanks
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19:50:02gevaertsamiconn: both use SCSI, so they should be able to share a lot of code.
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19:52:12gevaertsThe 64-byte packet version writes at 572 kB/s and reads at 759 kB/s. That's at least 50% better than with 16 byte packets.
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19:52:34preglowgevaerts: still no corruption?
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19:53:26gevaertspreglow: I copied 750MB of files to it, unmounted, remounted, and checked md5sums on both sides. Those match, and fsck.vfat finds no errors.
19:53:28bertrikgevaerts: that's pretty good for a full-speed connection
19:53:52*amiconn agrees
19:53:55gevaertsbertrik: I'm happy with it. Now just this high-speed...
19:54:13bertrikisn't there a magic high-speed toggle bit somewhere?
19:54:15amiconnAlthough I've seen full-speed ums getting close to 1MB/s
19:54:25bertrik(just kidding)
19:54:25*preglow smiles at the prospect of high-speed alone
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19:55:52gevaertsbertrik: there is a magic full-speed toggle bit. The code uses it to prevent the hardware from using high-speed. Not what you were looking for, but...
19:55:59amiconngevaerts: Does you code use double buffering?
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19:57:03gevaertsamiconn: no. It's fully sequential. A transfer comes in, we write it to disk/flash, we ack the transfer, and we wait for the next one.
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19:58:53gevaertsamiconn: transfers are up to 128kb though, so there shouldn't be too much turnaround time issues.
19:59:18amiconnNo, but you can't receive while writing
19:59:53bertrikmaybe the USB controller already does some buffering
19:59:58amiconnI would think that since the usb controller does dma, we could write in the background
20:00:00preglowdoubt it
20:00:23gevaertsamiconn: we could, but at a complexity and RAM cost.
20:00:30amiconnNot sure whether we could shadow reading though. That would require reading ahead
20:00:32preglowlets get the driver working first :)
20:00:47*gevaerts thinks preglow may have a point there
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20:06:29Nico_PBigBambi: thanks :)
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20:06:44BigBambiI've just been enjoying playing bubbles on it
20:08:06Nico_Pthe LCD driver seems to have a few problems... some bitmaps aren't displayed
20:08:18BigBambiDidn't notice that
20:08:25*BigBambi plays some more
20:08:30Nico_Pthe icons are the main example
20:09:10BigBambiIt is a shame the battery switch is so fiddly (and doesn't feel like it'll last too long with all this playing)
20:09:38gevaertsStill no high-speed
20:09:43BigBambiNico_P: Ah yeah, I see what you mean
20:09:49BigBambiI didn't notice at first
20:10:36BigBambiHeh, I like the 35791365 hours 54 minutes battery life - that is an improvement over the OF :P
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20:12:37*amiconn wonders how much work it would be to write some charset auot-check code that checks all .lang (or .lng) files against the player charset
20:13:14preglowwould be a very, very small amount of code if the lang files were xml :)
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20:13:32pixelmalow_light, Febs: a thread in the forums made me notice a weird thing in the contrast settings on the c200 - the list goes from 0 to 255 but it looks like it actually only goes from 0 to 127 and starting a "second round" at 128...
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20:13:50n1samiconn: it would be nice if rockbox could detect if the current font could display the lang and switch if it couldn't
20:14:16pixelmalow_light: gevaerts confirmed this for his c200 too, so I wondered what's up there, any idea?
20:15:42bertrikWow, the USB enumeration test passed :P
20:16:04gevaertsbertrik: that is somewhat surprising. 150 enumerations...
20:16:22Bagderconfig.h changes is hard on the ccache I guess...
20:16:57bertrikgevaerts: I was seeing some VID/PID entries of 0000:0000 being created in the registry in earlier versions, so that looks like enumeration problems
20:17:48bertrikI'll check how it works out now
20:17:53gevaertsbertrik: that's possible.
20:21:39npluswhich file implements the "view current playlist" option (hold REC while in "Now Playing")?
20:22:35*gevaerts thought of a way to make high speed work : implement the VPD transfer-size limitation, use 64-byte blocks, limit transfers to one block each. It would probably be slower than full-speed, and might cause problems with FATs and partition tables, but it should work
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20:26:05bertrikhmm, no VID:PID 0:0 entries but it still takes about 40 seconds before the drive appears on windows xp
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20:26:58*amiconn thinks that's quite normal for a full speed device
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20:28:00bertrikI don't think that's normal
20:28:18*amiconn does a test
20:28:47*Horscht doesn't think he has a full speed device
20:28:58amiconnOkay, 16 seconds for my archos player
20:29:08gevaertsbertrik: Can you try disabling the ehci driver in the device manager, and try with the OF ?
20:29:16amiconn(which isn't even standard ums but needs a custom driver)
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20:29:43bertrikgevaerts: ok, i'll try
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20:33:03IsolinearAnyone familiar with the bug that caused the iPod to burst into squealing electronic static-type noise?
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20:34:23Horschtyou mean disk thrashing?
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20:37:10IsolinearHorscht: Not sure, care to explain what that is?
20:37:33gevaertspetur: you can treat them as newbies for a while, pretending you don't know them
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20:37:59NanoNateI have a quick question, I know the 2nd gen ipod nano still is unflashable, but I was just wondering why? It has been that way for about a year now... Is there extra security measures built into it?
20:38:00magmaniacpetur: sorry, I was in the process of registering the nick.
20:38:01peturgevaerts: I was looking at magmaniac...
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20:38:52NanoNateDoes anyone know why no flashing attempt can be made?
20:38:54n1sNanoNate: 1) All new hardware with no docs 2) supposedly encrypted firmware 3) noone working on it
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20:39:16BagderNanoNate: nobody has done much work on that target
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20:39:20*magmaniac won't change nicks again
20:39:30BagderNanoNate: but the encryption seems to be the major problem to crack
20:39:34*gevaerts doesn't know who he is right now
20:40:14NanoNateIs there any beta form of rockbox I could try for it though
20:40:15*magmaniac thinks gevaerts is himself right now
20:40:27*gevaerts is relieved
20:40:32peturmagmaniac: I think I got around the freezing: it has to do with IDE power. adding a short sleep after powering on seems to solve things
20:40:34NanoNateHas there been anywork on it at all
20:40:45magmaniacpetur: splendid!
20:40:46*amiconn hmpfs
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20:40:59BagderNanoNate: no custom code has/can run on it, no
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20:41:13BagderNanoNate: this is your chance to show off
20:41:21peturmagmaniac: I'm now doing a test with original IDE timings and will revert stuff
20:41:56*magmaniac can't do tests today because his battery benchmark will run for some more time
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20:43:49peturmagmaniac: you said the led goes on when IDE is powered down. Could it be the led is burning due to some leak current from some signal pin that keeps power? If so, it could well be that this is drawing too much current from a pin that isn't designed for it (damage risk)
20:43:59amiconnpetur: Hmm. There already is a short sleep after powering on in svn
20:44:08amiconnHow long a sleep did you add?
20:44:48peturamiconn: it also worked ok when I added the sleep after powerdown (was a bug of me and I was surprised that it worked)
20:44:51amiconnIn ata_power_on(), right after ide_power_enable()
20:45:17peturhmmm right
20:45:19amiconnHZ/50, i.e. twice as long as your extra one
20:45:38peturneeds more investigation :/
20:46:26bertrikmounting a 1.7 GB volume on a full-speed USB connection took 5 seconds
20:46:37magmaniacpetur: do you mean it's drawing this current even when the LED is off (so that the current now goes somewhere else)?
20:47:18peturI mean when the led goes on when IDE power goes off, it is drawing current from some place it shouldn't
20:47:39magmaniacpetur: in my current test the LED stays off because I skip the call to ide_power_enable(false)
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20:47:58magmaniacWhat you say may be right, I don't know how I would find out though.
20:48:18peturwhich led was it?
20:48:45magmaniacThe disk access LED of the iriver, the adapter LED stays off anyway. (except for real disk access)
20:49:20amiconnBah, forgot to ask LinusN about this led...
20:49:23*n1s plays with GPIO pins on the beast and manages to get the lcd to go all white and what seems like powering off the hd (at least it hangs when trying to brows :))
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20:50:22peturyay... still no freezing with svn ide timings :)
20:50:24cgI'm testing the ums_v16 patch and getting some random stuff displayed in usbview in the interface 0 description. for screens
20:50:24magmaniacamiconn: thanks again for your GPIO advice, I did play a bit with this, but nothing had an effect on this LED. I know think that the LED is not wired at all, so we can't control it.
20:51:24cgthe text after the class: 08(stor) seems to randomly change and sometimes the whole description is missing
20:52:33bertrikgevaerts: disabling ehci does not seem to make a lot of difference
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20:58:15gevaertsbertrik: I just tried on a winXP machine here. rockbox: 50s first time, 30s second time. OF, 15..20s first time, 10s second time (all times +- 5s)
20:58:37gevaertsbertrik: OF was with ehci disabled
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21:00:26countrymonkeyA lot of translations are missing from the zips!!
21:00:39JdGordon|woh noes!
21:00:43JdGordon|wread the commit logs!
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21:02:08Bagderah right, it does the SOURCES stuff wrong
21:02:12Bagderfor langs
21:02:33*gevaerts uploaded the 64-byte using patch, so other people can play with it
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21:02:59Bagder"a lot" then being 6 languages
21:03:10rasherBagder: did I reverse the logic or something?
21:03:22Bagderno, but that's where the config.h error comes in
21:03:29rasherAh, fun
21:03:33Bagdersomething is wrong at that point so it doesn't include that header
21:03:45Bagderwhich means the HAVE_LCD_BITMAP is always undefined
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21:11:43preglowdon't they go along for about as long?
21:12:01pixelmait probably wouldn't especially if your device does not have a hard disk
21:12:30magmaniacpreglow: FLAC has much higher bitrate, so more disk access is necessary, which would drain the battery faster
21:12:42preglowflac also uses way less cpu than mp3
21:12:52magmaniacI was just thinking the same thing
21:13:04magmaniacso in the end it might be about equal
21:13:08preglowanyway, it'll probably get you less, yes
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21:13:14cghmm... is it possible to replace the .rockbox directory on ipod using the new ums driver or would the files be locked somehow? maybe it would be safer to use the apple disk mode, but i'm going to try it anyway
21:13:16preglowmp3 is pretty optimized these days, i remember
21:13:51peturmagmaniac: forget what I said.. more freezing... probably does need some IDE timing tweak :/
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21:14:18magmaniacpetur: sorry to hear :(
21:14:22peturamiconn: got your IDE timing calculations near you?
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21:14:59peturdoes t1 match PRE, and t4 or t6Z match POST?
21:16:10peturalso, identify[67] says the minimum pio cycle time = 78ns, so WAIT is probably wrong?
21:16:58amiconn0x78 == 120
21:17:22gevaertsbertrik: Most of these fails seem to have the same cause : we apparently don't support going back and forth between configured and addressed too well. I'll look at it during lunchtime tomorrow, with a tracer near me.
21:17:32peturah right
21:17:46*petur slaps forehead
21:17:54amiconnBut I don't have my old calculations anymore
21:18:34peturthat would mean WAIT = 8 for 124MHz
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21:20:08peturour speeds are 11, 45 and 124 MHz, right?
21:20:19amiconnThe timigs are named the same in both diagrams (ata specs and mcf5249 manual)
21:21:10amiconnTable 13-7 tells you how the timing is related to the registers
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21:24:47cglive swapping to ums_17 patched version seemed to work. I had to reset the device though, it did not want to start up normally. usbview still shows the messed up interface 0 class string
21:27:00gevaertscg: did you have to reset it before or after using usb (I'm guessing after) ?
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21:28:20cgi replaced the .rockbox directory with the new ums mode, shut down rockbox normally. i tried to start it by pressing menu but nothing happened, so i did reset
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21:30:09gevaertscg: I don't see any obvious string problem here. What exactly does it show ?
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21:31:10cggevaerts: did you look at the screenshots?
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21:32:10cggevarts: 21:50 < cg> I'm testing the ums_v16 patch and getting some random stuff displayed in usbview in the interface 0 description. for screens
21:32:25cg21:51 < cg> the text after the class: 08(stor) seems to randomly change and sometimes the whole description is missing
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21:33:31gevaertscg: thanks. I missed that. Looking at it now
21:36:02gevaertscg: I tried to reproduce this. I installed usbview, and refreshed several times, without any unexpected output. Can you try unplugging your mouse ? I want to make sure it's not some electric interference with some other device.
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21:37:18cggevaerts: unplugging the mouse did not help
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21:39:18cggevaerts: i just tried it using the apple disk mode. same thing happens... may be usbview bug
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21:40:29gevaertscg: maybe. It seems to rule out a rockbox bug anyway.
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21:41:48low_lightpixelma: the c200's lcd datasheet is available (amiconn has it) so it should be easy to double check those values
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21:42:47desowingevaerts: v17 seems to work fine, copied 202mb, and everything is allright
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21:42:59pixelmalow_light: yes, he said 0 - 255 would be correct
21:43:01amiconnlow_light: The datasheet is in the wiki, and it says that contrast range is 0..255
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21:43:35amiconn*But* that data sheet was discovered by matching the init sequence and other known commands against candidates
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21:44:00gevaertsdesowin: thanks. that's e260 right ?
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21:45:47madmauricei see that rockbox now supports sanse e200r. but how to install it on there?
21:45:54countrymonkeyIs there any possibility of fixing the lang problem which involves some langs not being built (6 can make all the difference (maybe it's because I speak 2 of them.))
21:46:07scorche|wmadmaurice: have you looked in the manual?
21:46:09BigBambimadmaurice: Not the easiest
21:46:16advcomp2019madmaurice, there is a wiki about it
21:46:27r4v5benefits of accessibility: when my sansa's screen breaks, i can use rockbox's voice files
21:46:37BigBambimadmaurice: But if you look in the manual as scorche|w suggests, you will see a link to the instructions
21:46:49countrymonkeythat's true
21:46:52amiconnpetur: My calculations for PIO0 yield the following (CS2PRE/CS2WAIT/CS2POST):
21:47:06madmauricei only can see the e200 in the download list shall i take this one?
21:47:17BigBambimadmaurice: the E200 manual, yes
21:47:32BigBambiIt contains a link to the E200r wiki page instructions
21:47:35amiconnPIO0: 11MHz: 1/0/1, 45MHz: 2/3/1, 124MHz: 5/14/2
21:48:07amiconnPIO4: 11MHz: 1/0/1, 45MHz: 1/0/1, 124MHz: 2/2/1
21:48:36peturamiconn: yup, but how do you calc CS2WAIT?
21:48:49amiconnNote that this PIO4 timing is slightly different from my old calculation
21:48:59amiconnIt's called WAITCOUNT2 in the manual
21:49:08peturnevermind, found it in the datasheet
21:49:48amiconnYou need to fullfil all mentioned conditions
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21:50:19peturcare to explain?
21:50:20amiconnBoth LinusN and me wonder about the mentioned 'typical' values in the manual though...
21:52:41petursplendid, freeze on first access :(
21:52:49rashercountrymonkey: Bagder is aware of the problem. In the mean time use an older build. Just updating won't remove the missing languages anyway
21:53:47desowingevaerts: e280
21:53:56rashercountrymonkey: so basically as long as you don't delete the .rockbox dir, there won't be any changes.
21:54:11scorche|wdoes anyone have an issue with my separating names on the DevCon wiki page into a dev/staff group and a non-staff/users group? would make things a bit easier to see for planning with regards to who we need to make sure to get to come/who will qualify for help from the fund (assuming we do that again)/etc
21:54:27BigBambiseems a solid plan
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21:54:33rashercountrymonkey: Unless they exceed the lang buffer, which they might, I suppose. Anyway, using an older build works.
21:54:35peturamiconn: for now I have one way to have stable operation: remove sleeping=true from ata_perform_sleep()... other changes give somehow stable results but after a while they mostly freeze
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21:54:50gevaertsdesowin: ok. e200 anyway. I should go through my irc logs and write these things down...
21:54:57Anon1515hi guy
21:55:20Anon1515can i play mp4-videofiles with my rockbox (ipod video)?
21:55:23Munkiehi everyone. just wondering how to add rockbox to the linux bootloader?
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21:55:45BigBambiMunkie: Assuming you mean the iPodlinux bootloader, that is off topic here
21:55:50bluebrotherJamesTM: no
21:55:55Munkieok sorry
21:55:56BigBambiMunkie: Ask iPodlinux
21:55:59bluebrotherRockbox only plays mpeg2.
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21:56:14BigBambiMunkie: It is just it isn't our software, and we don't support it
21:56:14scorche|wJamesTM: you can play mpeg1 and 2, but you are better off with teh original firmware for video playback
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21:57:43countrymonkeyanon1515: the short info is no. I could recommend other daps but that's offtopic here.
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21:58:21JamesTMAnon1515 - it's me now!
21:58:34lookatmeis there any kinda patch to make drm protected songs work?
21:58:34JamesTMso i cant play mp4 video files with rockbox?
21:58:44BigBambilookatme: No, for many reasons
21:59:00BigBambilookatme: Technical and philosophical
21:59:10JamesTMbecause i listen to podcasts, also as video...
21:59:21scorche|wJamesTM: we said no many times...
21:59:28countrymonkeyno. and you can't play drm stuff either. The iriver h300 unrockboxed does it and the sony mwzz-a serries walkmen do it and the creative zenstone does drm.
21:59:29JamesTMand they are usually in mp4...
21:59:36BigBambilookatme: Don't buy crippled music if you want to be able to use it how you want.
21:59:45JamesTMscorche|w SRY!!! :D
22:00:07lookatmeno other way for me to use my itunes gift cards
22:00:35scorche|wlookatme: sell to friends...craigslist, etc...but that is getting offtopic
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22:01:13scorche|wJamesTM: like we said either transcode them or view them in the original firmware....on the ipod video, you are much better off using the original firmware though
22:01:22BigBambiJamesTM: Well there we go. 1) Rockbox is open source −−> code is available −−> can't use secret drm code 2) Most people do not want to support DRM and disagree with it in principle, but that is getting OT
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22:01:36scorche|wwrong person
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22:01:42BigBambiThat was at lookatme
22:01:50scorche|wyes it was
22:01:54BigBambiI know :P
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22:02:19BigBambiscorche|w: Psychic powers should be on in here!
22:02:39countrymonkeyWhat's up, hhannah?
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22:04:31countrymonkeywhat's up?
22:04:44JamesTMi see, but why are you talking about drm - drm has nothing to do with podcasts
22:04:51JamesTMor am i wrong?
22:05:18BigBambiJamesTM: You will note my next line said "BigBambi> That was at lookatme" - I got the nick wrong
22:05:19hhannahHi. I came in to ask permission to include a couple of themes in the wiki
22:05:24countrymonkeyWhen did podcasts get into the mix of conversation?
22:05:26stripwaxtoday, it looks like my ipod 5g hung while shutting down. I didn't look at the screen after shutting down, just put it back in my pocket. Battery was full, and now it's flat (rockbox dies moments after starting up). Has this been reported before?
22:05:35BigBambicountrymonkey: Don't worry about it
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22:06:17countrymonkeyhhannah: What name did you register under?
22:06:20stripwaxBattery was more-or-less fully charged when I shut down so at a guess it ended up spinning the disk for a few hours straight before dying..
22:06:39hhannahcountrymonkey: HumbertoSantana
22:06:55countrymonkeyhold on a sec.
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22:11:07stripwaxthis is using svn 16290 btw
22:11:17countrymonkeythere. I was fighting my browser; that's why it took so long.
22:12:19countrymonkeyto get you signed up with write permission
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22:17:02crzyboysterCan I create a new player category at for the Zen V and Zen V Plus (combined)?
22:17:32countrymonkeythe zen v already is one
22:18:26crzyboysterNo, that's the Zen VM, the Zen V is another player altogether.
22:18:47countrymonkeyreally? I guess it's alright then.
22:19:23countrymonkeyno reason it wouldn't be I don't think
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22:20:30crzyboysterAdded, then.
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22:22:27hhannahcountrymonkey: Thanks! So now I can include my themes , right?
22:22:33scorche|wit is a wiki...if it is wrong, someone will just revert it and yell
22:23:06hhannahok thanks again ;)
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22:23:24countrymonkeyno prob
22:24:57*petur has a new suspect: perform_soft_reset()
22:26:39preglowahh, the ipod nano culprit
22:27:14peturyeah I read the comment
22:27:33*gevaerts suspect evrything
22:27:33peturno more CF freezing without that code :)
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22:28:42peturamiconn: is soft_reset requirted for HDDs?
22:29:12magmaniacsoft_reset() seems to be used to wake from sleep, right?
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22:31:04peturnext test: PIO4 timings
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22:36:23peturdid anybody ever try to figure out why perform_soft_reset() fails with flash?
22:37:14*Bagder found and fixed the missing lang problem
22:37:19kii broke it sorry
22:37:29kii'll buy a new one
22:38:11Bagderoh, japenese and korean probably aren't for the player...
22:38:34JdGordon|wdoesnt the player do japanese?
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22:38:58*JdGordon|w thought it could do at least some japanese chars?
22:39:30Bagderwith 256 letters out of which 8 is customizable...
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22:41:29*low_light finally got the m:robe 100 touchpad to do something
22:42:08JdGordon|wwell done
22:42:19low_lightI reset it and it responded with a "hello" packet
22:42:23kiBYE GUYS
22:42:33kiremember to clean your penis
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22:42:52JdGordon|wwasnt he special? :p
22:43:07DerPapstJust have read the question about loader 2 (iPL bootloader) and i know it's entirely off-topic in here and i understand that. But it would be very nice if you could send them to or maybe at least to your forum thread about loader 2 in your forums. Thanks.
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22:44:01markunBagder: some of the archos players actually support some japanese, amiconn can tell you more.
22:44:08scorche|wDerPapst: like ?
22:44:23scorche|woh wait...i misunderstood
22:44:25markunbut the japanese language file will be useless for it
22:44:31DerPapstscorche|w: yes
22:44:33magmaniacpetur: I just checked the CF spec about the ATA control register
22:44:52cgis the new ums mode meant to be used only when the player displays the usb connection screen? the screen can be skipped by pressing menu while plugging in usb (ipod) and then the device can be mounted while still continuing playing music and accessing menus. if this is supposed to work like this, is there any point having the usb connection screen?
22:44:58scorche|wDerPapst: yeah...usually we try to send them over to #ipodlinux, but it depends on the person responding..
22:44:59BagderI just care about our Japanese lang file, not any theoretical future use...
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22:45:43BigBambiWell I did say ask iPodlinux
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22:45:48DerPapst#ipodlinux is pretty empty and they won't get help there either. so best would be to send them to our wiki. it has the newest build and instructions how to boot rockbox
22:45:50magmaniacpetur: I think I understand what we are doing with the SRST bit: spec says you put it to one to perform soft reset, then to zero to end the reset
22:46:09DerPapstLlorean: ping
22:46:17scorche|wDerPapst: noted...thanks for the clarification
22:46:27DerPapstthank you :-)
22:46:31BigBambiI'm afraid I don't have an iPod, have never been to the iPL site, and don't want to search for a page when the person could do it themselves
22:47:04gevaertscg: don't use the player while you have the device mounted. It will give all sorts of problems (including possible data corruption).
22:47:26DerPapstBigBambi: then just tell them there is a thread in the rockbox forums...
22:47:27magmaniacpetur: What I don't get is the nIEN bit... it disables interrupts from the CF card. perform_soft_reset leaves them disabled, it seems. That can't be right...
22:47:49peturmagmaniac: checking...
22:48:05magmaniacp.126 :)
22:48:24BigBambiDerPapst: Surely telling them to check iPl is better?
22:49:06DerPapstBigBambi: indeed. i want to ask Llorean if he can add the link to our wiki to his first post in that thread.
22:49:23BigBambiDerPapst: I'm sure he would be happy to
22:49:26peturmagmaniac: interesting indeed
22:49:33cggevaerts: thanks. is there any plans making this work/safe? should the ums mode be disabled, if the usb conn screen is skipped?
22:49:36DerPapstso if they're actually reading what he wrote they'll discover the link :-)
22:49:46scorche|wi really would rather not link them to our forum thread...if they want help, they should get help from IPL unless it is dead
22:49:56BigBambiscorche|w: Exactly
22:50:02DerPapstyes and no
22:50:10DerPapstit's kinda difficult...
22:50:21BigBambiLinking them to our forum suggests we support it, no matter how much it says we don't
22:50:30magmaniacpetur: maybe trying another SET_REG...ATA_CONTROL to enable interrupts again does the trick?
22:50:54peturmagmaniac: loading a new test build now...
22:50:58DerPapstiPodLinux is off topic here and rockbox is off-topic in iPodLinux so there is some kind of a grey aera.
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22:51:17magmaniacpetur: disabled interrupts would sure explain freezing :)
22:51:20gevaertscg: I haven't looked yet how to change this. As far as I am concerned UMS shouldn't be enabled by default as long as this is not fixed. On the other hand, it's a nice feature to be able to reach the debugging screens while connected.
22:51:32gevaertscg: so yes, it will be made safe
22:51:33DerPapsti for my part try to support loader 2 wherever it is asked.
22:51:45BigBambiDerPapst: I think use of the bootloader is the responsibility of the respective projects
22:51:50countrymonkeyAbout japanese and its chars, does that mean we need a file specifically for the player?
22:52:02peturmagmaniac: already froze
22:52:05DerPapsthowever we had some rockbox support questions in our forums about rockbox database and such ;-)
22:52:17magmaniacpetur: damn :(
22:52:19scorche|wDerPapst: well... It is about using loader 2, about loader 2's config, etc....i dont really see how making loader 2 work with rockbox concerns rockbox
22:52:25BigBambiIf iPl don't want to support loading rockbox, it really shouldn't. Ditto for the rockbox bootloader loading iPl
22:52:28magmaniacwe need an ATA guru...
22:52:33scorche|wDerPapst: then send them our way ;)
22:52:53BigBambiDerPapst: In that case, tell them to come here, as long as they are using the rockbox bootloader
22:53:06DerPapstscorche|w: i agree that part belongs to us but normally users keep making questions about rockbox then.
22:53:32scorche|wDerPapst: then like we said...send them here, although we will likely tell them to use the rockbox bootloader
22:53:37DerPapsti do.
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22:53:44DerPapstalways did ;-)
22:53:45*petur wonders what happens if you SET_REG(ATA_SELECT, SELECT_LBA | ata_device ) for non-LBA...
22:53:52BigBambiscorche|w: s/likely/definitely
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22:54:12roolkulow_light: great news on the "hello" response. :)
22:55:11DerPapstBigBambi: that is the problem. They _want_ loader 2. We send them to you because they're having problems you tell them they don't get support as long as they're running Loader 2. So they come back to us and ask, because lots of our users also use loader 2.
22:55:29low_lightroolku: yes, finally! I will send you code.
22:55:37BigBambiDerPapst: We just ask them to verify it with our bootloader
22:55:45BigBambiLoader2 was caused problems in the past
22:55:47*roolku celebrates
22:55:59peturbah, more freezing
22:56:09BigBambiThey can check it is really a rockbox problem, get support, then put back loader2 if they want
22:56:19scorche|wDerPapst: if they still have the issue then we will solve is more of a measure just to make sure it isnt loader 2's fault
22:56:23*gevaerts recommends petur to try again in the summer
22:56:37*petur was waiting for that remark
22:56:39Shnawanyone know how to get .bmp's synched to my e200 to view right, WITHOUT using rockbox's Paint ripoff?
22:56:49DerPapstBigBambi: yes it did and old versions still do.
22:56:50peturgood thing I love cold weather :)
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22:57:05BigBambiDerPapst: Hence us asking them to verify with our bootloader
22:57:17gevaertsMe too, but the I don't complain about freezing
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22:57:24BigBambiShnaw: There is no bmp 'viewer' in rockbox
22:57:32*JdGordon|w really needs to get a gui loader going to get people to stop using ipl loader2
22:57:45scorche|wthe only ones that go back to you are the ones who are too lazy to bother lifting a finger to help diagnose their issue...if they come back to you, you should slap their hand and tell them to go away and if they want support, they know what to do...
22:57:47BigBambiShnaw: And in what way is Rockpaint a paint 'ripoff'?
22:58:11Shnawany way to synch my pictures correctly to a different format (PNG, TIFF, JPEG) so i can view them like the original e200 firmware allowed?
22:58:23BagderJdGordon|w: you won't get any thanks and a millions of support questions... :-)
22:58:30BigBambiShnaw: Check the manual
22:58:35Shnawjust throw them in the original "PHOTO" folder?
22:58:42BigBambiWherever you want
22:58:52JdGordon|wBagder: sounds like fun :)
22:59:01BigBambiAnd be aware that the scaling is only 1/2, 2x, ... etc
22:59:04*scorche|w still doesnt get this whole hubbub about a graphical just slows things down =/
22:59:10BigBambime neither
22:59:17Shnawyah, i prescale all my photos
22:59:26BigBambiShnaw: You are all set then
22:59:31Shnawso rockbox just picks up any pictures in any directory?
22:59:40BigBambiYou use the filebrowser
22:59:55Shnawthanks, very much so, time for testings i suppose
23:00:03BigBambiJust copy them wherever you want
23:00:32Shnawok, i just have to delete 1.8GB worth of Bitmkaps, and recopy them as JPEG's T_T
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23:01:27DerPapstBigBambi: Well, you're right on this one and i can't argue against that. Our users are sometimes... well... let's say they've never seen a shell. So we have like million broken and outdated installers. -.- However, if they install the rockbox bootloader they're too stupid to resintall Loader 2 ^^
23:01:32*countrymonkey hopes in defense of the blind population that gui bootloaders don't get created or if they do then the kind we have now will still be availible and developed
23:02:00JdGordon|wanyone thinking a gui loader would be the default is just stupid
23:02:32Shnawyou know, even though im sure they are quite common, i have YET to meet a blind person who regularly uses an iPod
23:02:46BigBambiDerPapst: hehe :)
23:03:16DerPapstscorche|w: Loader 2 is some kind of grub version for the iPod. You can boot different kernels, send arguments to init and stuff like that. No way you could do this with a non graphical one. And speed isn't one of the biggest issues there (not for those with iPL on their iPod) ;-)
23:03:48scorche|wDerPapst: but when applied to rockbox?...
23:03:49countrymonkeythat's me. That's why rb is so cool. I am trying without success to tell my sighted friends that they are missing a lot by not switching to rb.
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23:04:17DerPapstscorche|w: for rockbox a graphical bootloader is completely pointless imo.
23:04:40scorche|wit just slows things down..
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23:05:23Shnawwow, anyone ever gotten a loading screen that says this, "load:aeroflame.wps
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23:05:31Shnawthen a restart?
23:05:45Shnawon aline break
23:05:46webguest93when rockbox gets ported to teh zvm how hgard would it be to port it to the rest of the creative players ?
23:05:49Shnawit ssays "PHAIL"
23:05:51BigBambiIn rockbox?
23:06:00Bagderwebguest93: still a lot of work
23:06:03Shnawon the generic black loading screen with white letters
23:06:13Shnawkind of like a dos box
23:06:25DerPapstscorche|w: rockbox can't fetch arguments and having different builds isn't possible either. The only use for a graphical loader for rockbox would be some kind of testing loader where you can start differen main binaries e.g. for testing different USB patches withou having to connect and update all the time.
23:06:40webguest93bagder, I know but it'd be easier than strarting from scratch ?
23:06:44Shnawit says its loading a theme (which i do not use by the way) and then reports phail and restarts, does it again, etc
23:07:09Bagderwebguest93: I'm not really sure what other creative players that may be similar to the zvm
23:07:32DerPapstscorche|w: but those who want to use Loader 2 want it because they have iPodLinux installed too, so your point isn't 100% valid in this case.
23:07:37webguest93they mostly use the same tms chip other than that tho im not asure.
23:08:04Shnawwell this is depressing
23:08:12Bagderwebguest93: I recall some file format similarities though, so parts of the work should be able to be reused
23:08:19Shnawsecond day on it, and i'm already getting crap
23:08:32BagderShnaw: is that really an official rockbox build?
23:08:35webguest93ok cool. finally a use for my old creative player.
23:08:44Shnawits the one that came with the utility
23:08:52Shnawi just did a complete install, out of laziness
23:09:04scorche|wDerPapst: re: different binaries, there is RoLo, so i still think it doesnt really have a purpose....and if they want IPL too, then well, it isnt our responsibility
23:09:14Shnawit worked fine on a 6 hour road trip today
23:09:15BigBambiShnaw: Which utility? The one from the manual?
23:09:22Shnawyes, the one from the manual
23:09:45Bagderthere's no "phail" text anywhere in Rockbox afaik, using either casing
23:09:50BigBambiSo, just to be clear, when are you getting this odd screen?
23:09:50*DerPapst forgot about RoLo...
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23:10:25scorche|wmost do...
23:10:46Shnawi start my e200, and it shows the rockbox splash, then flips toi a DOS looking screen, says, "loading:aerotheme.wps (linebreak) PHAIL" *RESTART*
23:11:00BigBambiShnaw: Very odd
23:11:06Shnawthe theme name changes every time i start
23:11:10BigBambiCan you reset your settings please?
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23:11:14scorche|wShnaw: what build are you running?
23:11:15Shnawit was aeroflame, then aerotheme, nbow its DOOMBOX
23:11:23BigBambiHold record as it is booting IIRC
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23:12:18Shnawim at the normal menu now
23:12:29Shnawwith the original theme and such
23:12:48gevaertsI just checked. PHAIL does not appear anywhere in my rockbox svn checkout
23:13:03BigBambigevaerts: I would have been stunned if it had :)
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23:13:13ShnawWTF, ok, not two seconds after im at the original menu, the same dos'y screen came up
23:13:14DerPapstscorche|w: sure it isn't your responibility. but users don't care. So imo that is something both projects have to work better together. We help them to set rockbox up and you help them with their problems.
23:13:33BigBambiShnaw: Without doing anything?
23:13:38Shnawdidnt touch it
23:14:03BigBambiAnyone else confused?
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23:14:31scorche|wDerPapst: well, they can still load iPL with the usual rockbox bootloader..
23:14:49JdGordon|wShnaw: DOS is an OS... the term your looking for is text screen is some sort
23:15:06Shnawjust using it as an illustration
23:15:19JdGordon|wan irritatingly stupoid one
23:15:25BigBambicalm down
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23:15:54Shnawi could have used an even less relevant one, and said it looked like Linux
23:16:04BigBambiLet's not continue this
23:16:14Shnawbut back to the problem at hand
23:16:42Shnawim thinking, nuke RB, and clean install?
23:16:50BigBambiShnaw: Give it a go
23:16:55DerPapstscorche|w: they can, ture, but they can't boot different linux kernels or send arguments to the kernel... unless you want to add such support to rolo.
23:17:11BigBambiI don't know what you are seeing, as phail or PHAIL does not appear in the source code
23:17:34gevaertsShnaw: can you also check the filesystem ?
23:17:42DerPapstand iirc RoLo can't load the OF yet. So those with different OF versions are screwed too.
23:18:06scorche|wDerPapst: yeah...i am a bit hazy on the status of RoLo on those devices..
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23:18:24countrymonkeyOut of curiosity, what type of glyffs does the player support?
23:18:28scorche|wDerPapst: anyway, have we completely deviated from the subject?
23:18:57countrymonkeyjapanese glyffs. Sorry!
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23:19:31MsktHello. Can i ask anything about hdd passwords on this channel ?
23:19:52BagderMskt: only if you make it related to Rockbox...
23:19:52BigBambiMskt: For the old archos units?
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23:20:06BigBambiBagder: Wasn't there an issue back in the day?
23:20:11Bagderthere was
23:20:14scorche|wthere was
23:20:20Bagderzagor got several disks locked
23:20:32countrymonkeyor is it html
23:20:33Bagderand that's why people still find us when searching for the topic
23:20:34BigBambiI knew my memory was good for something :)
23:20:35DerPapstscorche|w: a bit yes. I'd say lets agree that you send them to us for loading rockbox via Loader 2 (mainly the wiki page i linked to and our forums) and we send them to you if they have support questions with rockbox :-)
23:20:38Shnawwok, RB delted , clean installing, (and why did my name not clear after i got d/c)
23:20:50BigBambiDerPapst: Deal :)
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23:21:39scorche|wDerPapst: yup yup...and if they come back to you because they are too lazy to try with the rockbox bootloader, then make sure people wont be enablers :)
23:21:54DerPapstJust tell them to visit and type "Loader 2" into the search box on the left side and they'll be sent to the wiki page for loader 2 :-)
23:22:14Shnawwbambi, clean installed, problem still there
23:22:33peturmagmaniac: evn with only a very clean softreset, the first read after the reset fails :(
23:22:48BigBambiShnaw: Does the OF work properly? And if you want to highlight someone you need to use the full nick
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23:23:07scorche|wShnaww: perhaps you could take a picture of the error?...perhaps you are misreading it?
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23:23:17scorche|wBigBambi: same to you ;)
23:23:19DerPapstscorche|w, BigBambi: thank you both for this clarifying discussion. :-)
23:23:28preglowpetur: same problem i have on nano, weird
23:23:43BigBambiscorche|w: dammit all
23:23:48preglowpetur: let me know if you solve it :-)
23:23:50Shnawwhm, i lack a camera, but the messagfe appears for roughly 2-3 seconds before it restarts, so i read it pretty clearly
23:23:57*BigBambi looks stupid
23:24:16magmaniacpetur: nasty. so the interrupt bit is not the culprit.
23:24:16*DerPapst hugs tabcompletition ^
23:24:16peturpreglow: the soft reset itself is done very quickly, it takes 0 retries while waiting for ready
23:24:29BigBambiDerPapst: I thought I did :/
23:24:45peturmagmaniac: nope, and neither is the LBA one (which is a bug I think)
23:24:51scorche|wyou did...just you referenced his ghost
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23:25:01BigBambiah, that is it
23:25:13ally_xoxoooxhey, guys, can anyone help me for a sec?
23:25:14magmaniacpetur: what is buggy about the LBA bit?
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23:25:34Shnawwwait, wait, im not getting the text screen anymore
23:25:37ally_xoxoooxIm trying to get my nano ipod running rockbox, but i have a problem with my rbutilqt
23:25:42Shnawwthough, i wouldnt call it resolved
23:25:49BigBambiShnaww: Camera phone? We are really quite keen to see it as none of us ever have, or can see where it comes from :)
23:25:51Shnawwim now just getting a blank red screen
23:26:05Shnawwboot, splash, red screen, no restarts though
23:26:07peturmagmaniac: SELECT_LBA | ata_device should only be done if LBA is enabled I think
23:26:08BigBambiShnaww: Does the OF work properly?
23:26:33magmaniacpetur: Is rockbox not using LBA?
23:26:34BigBambiOF? original firmware
23:26:47*petur asks google about CF resets
23:26:49Shnawwah, let me see
23:27:01*DerPapst goes back coding... and DerPapst starts to hate UI stuff ;-)
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23:27:41countrymonkeyally_xoxooox: What do you need help with?
23:27:41Shnawwok RB, nuked, time to restart
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23:27:47Shnawwfingers crossed
23:27:48soundavinciSorry to ask so stupid, I was around 3 monh offline, where can I find unsupported builds for IPOD 60GB, like EvilG?
23:28:03BigBambisoundavinci: The unsupported build forum on the forums
23:28:23Shnawwok, after a restart and database rebuild, the OF works fine
23:28:24BigBambiIf the specific one you are looking for is no longer there it is out of date and so has been removed
23:28:29countrymonkeythey're just that, unsupported! Dicect the word and you will find they are not supported.
23:28:56BigBambicountrymonkey: Calm down, I think asking where they are is OK
23:29:23ally_xoxoooxhi countrymonkey: well, i have a 2gb first generation nano, trying to setup rockbox. I have a linux PC btw. I was able to unmount it and follow the wiki "convertiontoFAT32" and applied the correct .bin. However when i run the rbutilqt it says it doesnt find my ipod
23:29:30BigBambiShnaww: Very odd
23:29:32soundavinciThanks But the daily build is not really working like wished, some patches seems to be missing, wps is messed up etc...
23:29:33ally_xoxoooxor rather, it can't find a correct mount/path
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23:30:01BigBambisoundavinci: Feel free, but as countrymonkey says, be aware you will receive no support outside of the thread for the build
23:30:04ShnawwBigBambi: OF works fine, actually, (probably overanalyzing) it seems, faster? less delay between menu selections , loads songs with no delay
23:30:21BigBambiShnaww: Yeah, probably the same as ever
23:30:37Shnawwi guess i got used to the slight delay in RB so it seems like that
23:30:46BigBambiShnaww: delay where?
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23:30:54Shnawwselecting songs
23:31:04*BigBambi hasn't experienced that
23:31:10BigBambiShnaww: Using the databse?
23:31:12Shnawwthers about .5-1s before the song plays
23:31:21ally_xoxoooxany ideas countrymonkey
23:31:50Shnawwon the DB, the delay is more 1-2s when accessing the SD card
23:31:58BigBambiAnd have you selected load to ram?
23:32:13magmaniacpetur: the ATA read/write routines always use SELECT_LBA, as far as I can see. I guess for other commands where you don't really need to address a sector, it doesn't matter whether it is set or not.
23:32:17Shnawwdid not experience that option
23:32:24BigBambiIt is there...
23:32:29BigBambiIn the database options
23:32:54pixelmaon the Sansas?
23:33:00BigBambiIs it not?
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23:33:11*BigBambi cannot check at the moment, running a battery bench
23:33:38BigBambipixelma: Can you not load the database to RAM on the Sansas?
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23:33:51pixelmanot that I know of, and it is not on my c200...
23:34:08BigBambiShnaww: Scratch that then :)
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23:34:56DerPapstally_xoxooox: did you convert your ipod with ipdopatcher?
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23:35:34ally_xoxoooxthe ipodpatcher is only for the 30GB i thought?
23:35:35DerPapstBigBambi: Iirc you can't on almost all flash targets
23:35:41ally_xoxoooxi had a 2GB nano first generation
23:35:49ally_xoxoooxbut yes i applied the "mbr-nano2gb.bin"
23:35:52BigBambiI don't use the sansa much, and all my others are hard disk
23:35:56DerPapstally_xoxooox: it's for all ipods rockbox supports
23:36:09BigBambiIn fact, I don't use the database full stop, except to check things
23:36:19BigBambiWhich I clearly didn't do this time :)
23:36:24DerPapstally_xoxooox: so i assume you didn't use ipodpatcher then.
23:36:31pixelmaDerPapst: IIRC it's not a question of flash based but a question of multivolume support
23:36:38ally_xoxoooxi guess not :) you think i should?
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23:36:55DerPapstally_xoxooox: would have been better :-P
23:37:14ally_xoxooox:) let me see if that will work
23:37:16ShnawwwBigBambi: I'm going to redownload the utility and clean install
23:37:27DerPapstbut it isn't a biggie anyways if you know what you have to do.
23:37:30BigBambiShnawww: What OS are you on?
23:37:46ShnawwwXP Home
23:37:57BigBambiAnd what version of rbutil?
23:38:04DerPapstpixelma: ah. i though it'S because the database can be read from flash fast enough (no spinup time)
23:38:07Shnawwwi didn't want to try and load it on Ubuntu
23:38:26BigBambiShnawww: Each is as easy as the other IMO
23:38:37Shnawwwrevision 15488 m1.0.3
23:38:51DerPapstally_xoxooox: ipodpatcher won't be able to detect your ipod either if you didn't use it to convert your ipod from a macpod to an ipod.
23:38:52Shnawwwwell, i'm having problems with my Ubuntu right now anyway
23:38:55ally_xoxoooxDerPapst do you have a link for the patch?
23:38:56DerPapsterr... winpod
23:38:59Shnawwwit likes to format anything i plug into it
23:39:05BigBambiuseful :P
23:39:10DerPapstally_xoxooox: ipodpatcher is a proram.
23:39:26rashercountrymonkey: What they exactly mean, you'll have to ask someone who knows, because the page these images were used on seems to be gone
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23:39:34ShnawwwCD-RW's Flash drivceews, external hDD's, MP3 players, friends' iPods
23:39:36Shnawwwit does it all
23:40:15ally_xoxoooxi know DerPapst, but my internet isn't working too good
23:40:25ally_xoxoooxi used ipodpatcher once before....
23:40:30ally_xoxoooxlet me see if i still have it
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23:40:39DerPapstmmhh.. i though the conversion wiki already mentions ipodpatcher as possible way to convert an macpod o.O
23:41:09Shnawwwok, redownloaded the utility, (same version and revision as my last one) going to minimal install
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23:41:29cdiddyhello, I'm trouble shooting a e200 video problem; I've been through a lot of steps and would like to try one final thing; would anybody be kind enough to send me a video file encoded specifically for the e200 so I can make sure my encoding is not at fault
23:41:46BigBambicdiddy: See elephants dream on the wiki
23:42:05Shnawwwcdiddy, the e200 just uses .MOV files
23:42:17BigBambiShnaww: Not in rockbox it doesn't
23:42:18scorche|wShnaww: not with rockbox..
23:42:19DerPapstally_xoxooox: but as i said, i don't think it will detect your ipod.
23:42:20Shnawwwall SMC does it convert it to .MOV and scale it to fit the screen
23:42:28scorche|wShnaww: not with rockbox..
23:42:34BigBambiShnawww: Rockbox plays MPEG1/2
23:42:41Shnawwworly? maybe thats why RB wouldnt pick up the MOV's already in my VIDEO folder
23:42:42n1sally_xoxooox: iirc you will need to have root privileges to use ipodpatcher (or install a bootloader with rbutil)
23:42:53*BigBambi points Shnawww to the manual
23:42:55ShnawwwAH!, no wonder i couldn't watch my tourettes guy videos
23:42:59ally_xoxoooxnls can't i just use sudo?
23:43:13Shnawwwsorry, when i heard about this, i was on a testerone rush that made the manual seem feeble
23:43:21cdiddyI will try the wiki
23:43:27scorche|wally_xoxooox: that gives you root privileges, so you can
23:43:36BigBambiShnawww: The guidelines require you to check the manual first
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23:43:50Shnawwwi wouldnt say i havent checked it, just not FINISHED checking it
23:43:51ally_xoxoooxDerPapst: i can't download the ipodpatcher....
23:43:55ally_xoxoooxare you able to also?
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23:44:07ally_xoxoooxnvm its working now
23:44:20ShnawwwBigBambi, good news, with a Small install, it works clean and good
23:44:40DerPapstally_xoxooox: try running it from the terminal with sudo ./ipodpatcher −−list
23:44:52ally_xoxoooxone sec
23:45:00DerPapstally_xoxooox: or sudo ./ipodpatcher −−scan
23:45:21Shnawwwthis was such a confusing problem
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23:45:42ally_xoxoooxDerPapst says command not found
23:46:06BigBambially_xoxooox: Are you in the directory you downloaded ipodpatcher to?
23:46:12pixelmaDerPapst: well, I don't need the database in RAM on my Sansa (as you said it's fast enough) but some want that option as it is supposed to speed up auto-update together with dircache
23:46:18ally_xoxoooxyes i am
23:46:21DerPapstally_xoxooox: then you've done something wron. is the ipodpatcher binary 1) executbale 2) in the same dir where you're working in?
23:46:22Shnawwwi have but one final question, is it normal that if i p
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23:46:47BigBambiShnawww: As long as it isn't in the manual... :)
23:46:51Shnawwwplug my e200 to my comput er while its on in RB, it freezes and my computer doesnt recognizee it until i take out the battery,m and plug it in with it turned off
23:46:56ally_xoxoooxits on my desktop so im in "ally@ally-desktop:~/Desktop$
23:47:03ally_xoxoooxits not binary, its a exec
23:47:23DerPapstbinary == executable
23:47:34DerPapstat least in my universe :-P
23:47:37ally_xoxooox:) i knew that! heh
23:47:45BigBambiShnawww: You do not have to take out the battery
23:47:47BagderShnaww: no need to take out battery, hold down the power button for 15 secs
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23:47:54BigBambiJust hold power for 15 secs (or more
23:47:58Shnawwwit refuses to turn off for any amount if time
23:48:06BigBambiThen the hardware is broken
23:48:16DerPapstsoilder in a reset button :-P
23:48:22ally_xoxoooxDerPapst: found
23:48:22ally_xoxoooxafrika@afrika-desktop:~/Desktop$ sudo ./ipodpatcher
23:48:22ally_xoxoooxsudo: ./ipodpatcher: command not found
23:48:24Shnawwwo0 then why does it work fine if i plug it in while i have it powered off?
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23:48:42BigBambiHolding power for 15 seconds or more is a hardware off on the E200
23:49:03BigBambiShnawww: Because the functionality is different?
23:49:09Shnawwwi think its a firmware problem, because when i have it powered off and plug it in, it load the original firmware, and this works fine
23:49:19DerPapstally_xoxooox: can you try "sudo -i"
23:49:32*DerPapst is not too familiar with linux
23:49:33BigBambiShnawww: The freezing sure, but if holding power does not work, that is a hardware issue
23:49:34ally_xoxoooxyes that works
23:49:44Shnawwwhm, not really a concern
23:49:45DerPapstally_xoxooox: so you have a root shell now?
23:49:49BigBambiShnawww: Rockbox cannot change how that works
23:49:59ally_xoxoooxshould i be in root shell? im not good with linux!
23:50:04DerPapstally_xoxooox: ok then try ./ipodpatcher −−scan
23:50:05Shnawwwim replacing this soon, its about 1.5 years old, all the screw are gone (making the back easy to remove, and the screen is cracked
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23:50:28Shnawwwif only RB supported the Zune
23:50:39DerPapstally_xoxooox: yes, you need the rootshell
23:50:39BigBambikeep waiting
23:50:45Shnawwwor, i suppose, if the Zune supported RB
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23:51:09ally_xoxoooxit says "No such file or dir"
23:51:29BigBambiIf you type ls do you see ipodpatcher
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23:51:38scorche|wShnawww: you were right the first time
23:51:40gevaertsDerPapst, ally_xoxooox: sudo -i puts you in /root
23:51:40DerPapstally_xoxooox: and if you type in "ls" it lists ipodpatcher together with other stuff?
23:51:58Shnawwwok i lkied, i have one more question, where can i find the file to edit the 'CLICKWHEEL" sound? the current one sounds more like scrambled crap than a click
23:51:59ally_xoxoooxno DerPapst
23:52:08DerPapstgevaerts: ah.. heh... as i said. i'n no good with linux.
23:52:08dan_aHas anybody tried using the DMA on PortalPlayer? My test code fails miserably :(
23:52:09ally_xoxoooxwhen it type "ls" nothing is listed...
23:52:12BigBambithen you are not in the right directory
23:52:21gevaertsally_xoxooox: try "cd /home/afrika/Desktop" first (guessing your home directory)
23:52:33Shnawwwand i would like to replace the current clickwheel sound with an obnoxious beep
23:52:35BigBambiShnawww: Have you checked the manual?
23:52:40n1sally_xoxooox: cd /home/ally/Desktop
23:52:49ally_xoxoooxyup okay thats working
23:52:57ally_xoxoooxls works now
23:53:09DerPapstdoes it list ipodpatcher?
23:53:32ally_xoxoooxbut when i do "./ipodpatcher −−scan" says permission denied
23:53:43ally_xoxoooxso should i try "sudo ./ipodpatcher −−scan" ?
23:53:43DerPapstchmod +x ./ipodpatcher
23:54:05DerPapstand then the sudo thingy
23:54:50ally_xoxoooxsudo ./ipodpatcher −−scan
23:54:50ally_xoxooox./ipodpatcher: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
23:55:03Shnawwwokay, i checked the manual, and problem one, i dont see a section for "system settings' which is where the "keyclick" setting is
23:55:26gevaertsally_xoxooox: as long as you are in the root shell, leave out the "sudo" in front of the command.
23:55:53BigBambiShnawww: Sorry, what are you trying to do?
23:56:07ally_xoxooox./ipodpatcher −−scan
23:56:07ally_xoxooox-bash: ./ipodpatcher: cannot execute binary file
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23:56:28gevaertsally_xoxooox: maybe it's safer to exit the root shell for now and use sudo. The earlier problems were not sudo related, but were because of the missing 'chmod -x'
23:56:41ally_xoxoooxhow to exit out of root? heh
23:56:47gevaertsally_xoxooox: "exit"
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23:56:51ally_xoxooox:P i knew that
23:57:11ally_xoxoooxi had rockbox working on my 30gb ipod video no problem
23:57:22ally_xoxoooxi dont know why im having a problem with my nano
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23:57:36Shnawanyway, it sounds scrambled, not like a "click" i want to replace it with an annoying beeping sound, becaus ei love annoying beeping sounds
23:57:57gevaertsally_xoxooox: does sudo ./ipodpatcher −−scan work now ?
23:58:17DerPapstat least does ipodpatcher say anything?
23:58:23ally_xoxoooxno i get an error with the syntex
23:58:33ally_xoxoooxsudo ./ipodpatcher −−scan
23:58:34ally_xoxooox./ipodpatcher: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
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23:58:59*DerPapst never heard of that one...

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