| 00:00:05 | Bagder | that "cc1: error: config.h: No such file or directory" thing would be nice to mute |
| 00:00:07 | gevaerts | Would #LCD_WIDTH ## x ## #LCD_HEIGHT work ? Or maybe without the spaces ? |
| 00:00:21 | rasher | Bagder: Right, forgot about that. |
| 00:00:21 | amiconn | Iiuc this should work using: "cabbiev2." #LCD_WIDTH "x" #LCD_HEIGHT "x" #LCD_DEPTH ".bmp" |
| 00:00:29 | dionoea | nope, you can only use # on arguments given to your macro |
| 00:00:47 | amiconn | Ah, yes |
| 00:01:09 | amiconn | Hmm, just concatenating might work |
| 00:01:13 | amiconn | (without any #) |
| 00:01:50 | dionoea | "int string int" doesn't look like something the compiler will like |
| 00:02:19 | saratoga | its not really an int though right? |
| 00:02:27 | saratoga | the preprocessor only does strings i think |
| 00:02:45 | amiconn | hmm |
| 00:02:46 | dionoea | the preprocessor will output: 240 "x" 320 |
| 00:02:51 | dionoea | and then the compile will freak out |
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| 00:02:54 | dionoea | +r |
| 00:03:06 | dionoea | ah, found it: |
| 00:03:13 | dionoea | #define WIDTH 12 |
| 00:03:13 | dionoea | #define bar(a) foo(a) |
| 00:03:13 | dionoea | #define foo(a) #a |
| 00:03:17 | dionoea | bar(WIDTH) |
| 00:03:50 | amiconn | Yeah, that's one example in the 'stringification' chapter |
| 00:04:53 | saratoga | maybe it'd be better to just change the build script to not put the resolution in the backdrop file name |
| 00:05:04 | pixelma | saratoga: that sounds complicated. In my non-coder understanding I thought you could just make it load the cabbiev2.cfg and are done with it? |
| 00:05:17 | * | gevaerts wonders why he's trying to concatenate strings instead of finding out why these SCSI changes won't work |
| 00:05:37 | saratoga | pixelma: unfortunately the default theme isn't loaded from a file, but is compiled into the source |
| 00:06:19 | pixelma | yes, and I thought that the compiled in should stay the text only one... |
| 00:06:37 | pixelma | but that it should load another as default |
| 00:06:55 | Bagder | rasher: that genlang change can be committed totally separately |
| 00:07:00 | preglow | the ugly default one is in the source? |
| 00:07:00 | saratoga | what would be the sense of loading one theme and then immediately loading a second? |
| 00:07:01 | preglow | ouch |
| 00:07:05 | Bagder | I fixed the error output now |
| 00:07:11 | Bagder | commit pending |
| 00:07:27 | * | rasher stands well back |
| 00:07:41 | saratoga | preglow: well its in the source in the sense that settings_list.c initializes each setting to the ones that make up the default theme |
| 00:08:09 | amiconn | Yes, the default wps is built-in - in order to have *anything* available if the disk based one isn't loadable for some reason |
| 00:08:59 | amiconn | saratoga: Changing the default wps should be as simple as changing that string in settings_list... |
| 00:09:12 | pixelma | saratoga: but if you are going to compile all parts of cabbiev2 it's going to increase bin size for no reason and wouldn't it increase load time massively even if you use your own? |
| 00:09:38 | pixelma | amiconn: cabbiev2 is not only a WPS |
| 00:09:59 | * | amiconn still doesn't like cabbie (any version) for several reasons though |
| 00:10:11 | amiconn | pixelma: Then change those settings as well |
| 00:10:27 | saratoga | amiconn: yes, so simple . . . |
| 00:10:56 | pixelma | there is no default backdrop yet, for example |
| 00:11:03 | saratoga | pixelma: no it doesn't change the bin size significantly (just whatever the difference in string lengths for the default and cabbie themes) |
| 00:11:03 | amiconn | There sure is |
| 00:11:14 | amiconn | The default backdrop is just NULL |
| 00:11:25 | saratoga | bmps still get loaded off the disk |
| 00:11:33 | pixelma | ah, ok |
| 00:11:46 | amiconn | saratoga: Why do you need to concatenate those strings for setting that default? I don't get that |
| 00:11:46 | rasher | amiconn: you have to admit that *anything* as a default is prettier than the current default. New users will no longer think "ew nasty!", but they might think "I don't like this theme", which is infinitely better |
| 00:12:09 | rasher | I also don't like Cabbiev2 very much, but the default needs to be prettier than the current.. |
| 00:12:22 | * | gevaerts thinks the current default is very nice |
| 00:12:25 | rasher | It's not like we're not allowed to change it later |
| 00:12:28 | saratoga | amiconn: unfortunately i made the build script copy the source file name for each backdrop, and the file names tend to include the resolution since theres 1 for each target |
| 00:12:58 | rasher | saratoga: couldn't it just remove the resolution when copying to the zip? |
| 00:13:02 | amiconn | The on-disk versions of the files should of course *not* include the resolution in their name |
| 00:13:04 | saratoga | i thought the most elegant way would be to have the preprocessor figure it out, but maybe thats too hard to do |
| 00:13:18 | amiconn | buildzip.pl does that for the wps'es afaik |
| 00:13:28 | rasher | Seems the saner route to go |
| 00:13:32 | saratoga | amiconn: ok if everyone prefers that, its a trivial change to make |
| 00:14:03 | rasher | I think you should do that instead |
| 00:14:18 | pixelma | rasher: I didn't think the current default was "ugly" on the c200 (see gevaerts' opinion) ;) |
| 00:14:30 | Bagder | now that wasn't correct... |
| 00:15:37 | Bagder | nothing uses max_language_size.h in this commit ;-) |
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| 00:15:51 | * | gevaerts slightly boggles at the tought of "elegant" and "preprocessor" in the same sentence |
| 00:16:09 | rasher | gevaerts: have you seen the menu code? |
| 00:16:15 | saratoga | haha |
| 00:16:20 | rasher | I use the term "code" very loosely here |
| 00:16:38 | gevaerts | rasher: not yet. |
| 00:16:57 | rasher | gevaerts: save it for a day when you're already depressed |
| 00:17:11 | saratoga | ooh got the regex to split the file names right on the first try |
| 00:17:22 | saratoga | always scary when i do something right in perl on the first try |
| 00:18:07 | rasher | Bagder: I see apps/language.h including max_language_size.h? |
| 00:18:28 | Bagder | yes but commented out... |
| 00:18:41 | rasher | Brilliant |
| 00:18:46 | Bagder | since that too suffers from the same problem of used before create |
| 00:18:49 | Bagder | created |
| 00:18:54 | Bagder | fix pending |
| 00:19:05 | soap | maybe this has been suggested before - maybe this is not needed - but has any consideration been put into moving some of the FlySpray "chatter" to a dedicated forum section? Some of the tasks are quickly becoming cluttered with "support" discussion instead of working discussion. |
| 00:19:19 | * | pixelma is reminded that she still got a small cabbiev2 fix around here |
| 00:19:23 | rasher | Bagder: broke all the bootloaders too |
| 00:19:38 | saratoga | pixelma: you and Nico_P are welcome to start commiting things |
| 00:19:52 | Bagder | argh |
| 00:19:59 | saratoga | if you see something wrong |
| 00:20:02 | saratoga | no need to tell me about it |
| 00:20:12 | Nico_P | saratoga: I still need to make a clean background for my version ov cabbie |
| 00:20:35 | pixelma | saratoga: yeah, wanted to do that but somehow it slipped me mind and I was reminded now |
| 00:20:42 | pixelma | s/me/my |
| 00:21:08 | saratoga | Nico_P: didn't ApooMaha do that for you? |
| 00:21:20 | Bagder | rasher: I'll revert it for now, rework it and commit again tomorrow or something as I need to take off now |
| 00:21:20 | saratoga | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8443#comment21449 |
| 00:21:42 | rasher | Bagder: fair enough |
| 00:21:52 | Nico_P | saratoga: I think he just uploaded what I did |
| 00:22:23 | saratoga | ah |
| 00:22:26 | amiconn | Whoa, a bootloader that's allowed to write.... |
| 00:22:53 | amiconn | I assume the gigabeast has some safeguard against bricking |
| 00:23:20 | saratoga | actually i think i remember someone bricking their gigabeat S |
| 00:23:22 | Nico_P | amiconn: AFAIK it's unbrickable |
| 00:23:33 | Nico_P | at least when using sendfirm |
| 00:24:22 | Nico_P | amiconn: and it's just a temporary workaround |
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| 00:26:49 | BigBambi | <Nico_P> amiconn: AFAIK it's unbrickable <−− That sound like challenge :) |
| 00:26:55 | pixelma | saratoga: just mentioning it here because you might (have) come across it because of inconsistent file naming: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10030.msg114534#msg114534 , or just so you know. First I wanted to "fix" the Mini WPS though... |
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| 00:29:56 | Nico_P | damn MTP database doesn't seem to keep the ID3 tags |
| 00:30:06 | Nico_P | the DB tells me all tracks are untagged |
| 00:31:31 | rasher | Brilliant system |
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| 00:34:57 | Albright | Are the current iPod builds broken? Rockbox's file browser can't "see" any of my files, though it can see directories... |
| 00:35:33 | rasher | That sounds more like a filebrowser settings issue than a broken build |
| 00:35:43 | rasher | Albright: What is "Show files" set to? |
| 00:35:54 | pixelma | that almost sounds like you accidentally changed your file view settings to playlists, or so |
| 00:36:04 | Albright | Hold on, I'll double check. |
| 00:38:41 | Albright | Okay, the Settings menu is confusing me… Did that change recently? |
| 00:39:21 | BigBambi | No, which part is confusing? |
| 00:39:38 | Albright | Maybe I forgot what place I should be looking... |
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| 00:40:01 | * | BigBambi further suggests the manual |
| 00:40:12 | Albright | The choices are Sound Settings, One, <Random>, AIFF, Write .cfg file… Shouldn't there be settings for the display and stuff? |
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| 00:40:39 | BigBambi | In general settings |
| 00:40:57 | rasher | Sounds like there's some sort of language problem.. Maybe you should try re-installing. Bagder's been messing with the language system |
| 00:41:31 | Albright | I just re-installed today, about ten minutes ago... |
| 00:41:38 | BigBambi | Albright: Ah, they were the options under settings? |
| 00:41:52 | BigBambi | Albright: es, the latest commit was language related |
| 00:41:57 | BigBambi | *Yes |
| 00:42:05 | Albright | Yes, Selecting Settings from the main menu gives those choices. |
| 00:42:23 | BigBambi | Sounds like the latest commit did cause some issues then :) |
| 00:42:44 | Albright | =[ |
| 00:43:56 | Albright | Is there a list of older builds on the site somewhere? |
| 00:44:06 | rasher | Just update - the current build works |
| 00:44:42 | BigBambi | Albright: Sounds like you caught the version in the ten minutes it wasn't working :) |
| 00:44:56 | Albright | Well, okay, I'll try again… |
| 00:47:15 | Llorean | soap: I wouldn't mind a "Flyspray Support" section of the forum, with one thread per FS#, named after the FS# (and task name) and sorted numerically, explicitly for support questions, maybe? |
| 00:48:16 | Llorean | Do we have a newer RBUtil binary posted somewhere? The wiki still links to a relatively ancient one. |
| 00:48:21 | Albright | Okay, the Settings menu now makes sense, but my files still aren't showing up. I'll check "Show files." |
| 00:49:38 | Albright | Hooray, my files are back! |
| 00:49:47 | pixelma | rasher: one of the "bad versions" had problems loading the english.voice file (think there is none in my sim dir) - compiled a Mini sim... maybe that's another thing to keep an eye on |
| 00:49:49 | Albright | Thanks, everyone. |
| 00:50:32 | rasher | pixelma: yeah, I think the language system got a bit startled that some things changed and others did not |
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| 00:50:59 | Albright | Restarting playback from playlists is still buggered, though… I'm going to whine about it, because that will surely fix the problem. |
| 00:51:20 | pixelma | rasher: alright |
| 00:51:25 | Albright | *playback from bookmarks |
| 00:53:20 | Albright | Well, shoot. So close and yet so far… Looks like this build doesn't play at all. The progress bar and timer just sit still, and no sound comes into my headphones. |
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| 00:53:37 | Albright | Guess I'll try reinstalling again later tonight. =] |
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| 00:55:03 | Nico_P | Slasheri: here? |
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| 00:57:47 | saratoga | anyone know where the save config file code is located? |
| 00:57:56 | saratoga | that will need to be updated too since I changed the build script |
| 00:59:35 | saratoga | or maybe not |
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| 01:05:16 | saratoga | finally got it |
| 01:05:22 | saratoga | "filetype colours" needs to be "-" instead of "" |
| 01:05:32 | saratoga | otherwise everything but the progress bar will work |
| 01:05:50 | * | gevaerts can't find what's wrong with this SCSI code. Maybe it will work tomorrow. |
| 01:06:08 | pixelma | hmm... my sim is still spitting "buffering < SYS_TIMEOUT" endlessly even without playback... |
| 01:06:44 | pixelma | r 16341 now |
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| 01:08:49 | pixelma | but it also plays the files. I select the song to play, it buffers and then goes on spitting those messages, never seen before |
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| 01:11:56 | Nico_P | pixelma: those messages aren't shown by default |
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| 01:12:17 | pixelma | ah... I know now |
| 01:13:26 | Nico_P | what is it? |
| 01:13:36 | * | pixelma silly (has never used logf before) ;) |
| 01:14:11 | pixelma | it's from my logf build to trace the "skip" third song problem |
| 01:15:49 | pixelma | Nico_P: does it mean something, should I be worried about those messages? They don't sound very trustworthy... |
| 01:17:00 | * | amiconn thinks it's just informational. The buffering thread is bored... |
| 01:17:45 | saratoga | hmm removing the resolution from the file on device makes the WPSLIST a bit odd, since all the other entries list files by their final name |
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| 01:19:20 | pixelma | Nico_P: read again and thought more about what "<" could mean and it makes more sense to me now. :) Maybe it's just a bit too late... |
| 01:19:42 | Nico_P | hehe. yeah amiconn is right |
| 01:20:08 | * | Nico_P goes to bed |
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| 01:23:38 | pixelma | saratoga: I'm not sure how the WPSLIST looks with your changes now, but I still think that some entries under cabbiev2 are unnecessary (like all the _different_ "selector type" entries, I thought one should do and the wpsbuild.pl would handle the inclusion for colour targets only and things like that) |
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| 01:26:58 | saratoga | pixelma: I'm pretty sure it will work right now with just 1 selector type entry |
| 01:27:04 | saratoga | i'll try it in a minute |
| 01:30:00 | saratoga | pixelma: just to be clear since I don't know how the WPS stuff works, is it ok to set the gradient bar for all targets? |
| 01:31:20 | pixelma | that's a config file setting and I wouldn't want that to appear in my M5 or Ondio cabbiev2.cfg file |
| 01:32:18 | pixelma | I meant it's a setting (not in the .wps file) |
| 01:33:50 | saratoga | pixelma: whats special about those targets? |
| 01:34:14 | saratoga | just that they're color? |
| 01:34:18 | saratoga | or not color |
| 01:34:23 | pixelma | not |
| 01:34:49 | soap | Llorean, that was exactly the format I was thinking of. Just like the old McDLT. Keep the dev side dev and the support side support. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_N'_Tasty |
| 01:35:15 | saratoga | well how would you prefer it to work then? |
| 01:35:15 | pixelma | saratoga: e.g. I just compiled a Mini sim (greyscale) and the cabbiev2.cfg contains foreground/background colour, line selector 1st colour etc. settings which it doesn't need |
| 01:36:22 | saratoga | would allowing "selector type.colour:" be ok ? |
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| 01:37:45 | pixelma | in my opinion those lines should only be present if the display supports them, Bagder told me that wpsbuild.pl should be able to do that (unfortunately I have no idea about perl) |
| 01:37:56 | saratoga | actually, its probably easiest to just make the build script never copy any of those settings to cfg files unless its a color targtet |
| 01:38:20 | saratoga | rather then give theme offers to the tools to do it for the parser |
| 01:38:22 | pixelma | yes, that's what I mean |
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| 01:39:57 | saratoga | pixelma: is "selector type:" undefined on grayscale targets? |
| 01:40:12 | saratoga | or is it just that it can't be "gradient" selector? |
| 01:41:19 | saratoga | "pointer,bar (inverse),bar (color),bar (gradient)" sort of implies that bar(inverse) might be allowed on grayscale targets |
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| 01:43:47 | pixelma | yes, pointer and selector type are even choices for mono targets, just not charcell, I guess |
| 01:44:13 | pixelma | s/selector/bar (inverse) |
| 01:45:16 | saratoga | in my opinon the build script probably should not have a list of which selector bars are available on each target |
| 01:45:52 | saratoga | since no one is going to update it the next time theres a new selector bar added |
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| 01:47:37 | pixelma | maybe the selector type thing probably wasn't a good example but I've only seen definitions with *x16 there |
| 01:47:47 | saratoga | yeah |
| 01:48:08 | saratoga | maybe *.Colour, *.grayscale, and *.charcell would be better? |
| 01:49:09 | saratoga | this whole stupid script should just be rewritten to regex each line against the resolution and color depth and then decide if it should be accepted or not based on that |
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| 01:49:21 | saratoga | then theres no need to define 800 special cases |
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| 01:49:28 | pixelma | not sure (and I can't think anymore at this time of day) |
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| 01:49:44 | saratoga | I'll fix it another time then |
| 01:49:51 | saratoga | its not exactly pressing |
| 01:49:56 | pixelma | I thought it did just that |
| 01:50:18 | pixelma | but well... thanks for listening :) |
| 01:50:32 | saratoga | thanks for explaining to me what some of these options do |
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| 01:59:08 | pixelma | saratoga: I will do the renaming tomorrow as mentioned in the above linked forums post, it'll mean changing some .wps files too. Just too late now... |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:02 | * | pixelma wonders why that triggered a new build round |
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| 02:03:52 | saratoga | pixelma: ok but can you apply my latest patch before you do that? |
| 02:03:58 | saratoga | so that we stay in sync |
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| 02:07:40 | pixelma | saratoga: if you think it's important I could. Will your latest patch be in the flyspray entry then? |
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| 02:10:13 | saratoga | yeah its already up |
| 02:10:22 | saratoga | though theres one trivial bug i'm probably still going to fix tonight |
| 02:10:40 | saratoga | shouldn't matter to you, just grab whatever one is newest |
| 02:12:33 | saratoga | oh unless you were going to commit to tomorrow |
| 02:12:44 | saratoga | yeah in that case might as well just ignore what i've been doing |
| 02:13:56 | pixelma | I'll have a look first tomorrow, but now sleep. Night |
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| 03:09:16 | Psykez666 | can anyone help me with something? |
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| 03:09:33 | Psykez666 | i tried going to the forums but they dont work for me |
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| 03:13:03 | krazykit | Psykez666, we can only help if you ask a question |
| 03:13:27 | Strife89 | I am having trouble accessing the forums. |
| 03:13:51 | Strife89 | By using the forum link, I get the following error message: |
| 03:14:04 | Strife89 | Can't open file: 'smf_sessions.MYI'. (errno: 145) |
| 03:14:26 | cool_walking_ | me too |
| 03:14:39 | Strife89 | Server error? |
| 03:15:07 | Psykez666 | its an ipod/rockbox question... |
| 03:15:17 | Psykez666 | today i began using rockbox |
| 03:15:48 | Psykez666 | and it got all the songs i had previously in Itunes into the rockbox database |
| 03:15:49 | Strife89 | karazykit: On my last session, I didn't use the logout link.... But then, I never do. :P |
| 03:16:13 | Psykez666 | but ive tried adding songs to the database and it wont do it |
| 03:16:27 | Strife89 | wrong name. Meant to say @ coo_walking. |
| 03:16:34 | Strife89 | cool_walking |
| 03:16:38 | Psykez666 | tried the auto update already |
| 03:16:55 | cool_walking_ | Strife89: I never do either, but I _really_ doubt that's caused it. |
| 03:16:59 | Strife89 | 666: How about "Update Now"? |
| 03:17:12 | Strife89 | cool_walking: same here |
| 03:17:39 | cool_walking_ | Just cleared cookies with no effect. |
| 03:17:57 | Strife89 | Cool_walking: I always clear cookies on close (Firefox option) |
| 03:17:58 | krazykit | the forums is obviously a server issue. |
| 03:18:20 | krazykit | Psykez666, have you Initialized the database yet? |
| 03:18:23 | Strife89 | Have you tried, krazykit? |
| 03:18:32 | Psykez666 | sorry im new to rockbox |
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| 03:18:44 | Strife89 | He probably has.... |
| 03:18:46 | krazykit | Strife89, earlier today, yes |
| 03:18:58 | Strife89 | <Psykez666> and it got all the songs i had previously in Itunes into the rockbox database |
| 03:19:25 | Psykez666 | yes...but i tried adding new songs |
| 03:19:31 | Strife89 | krazykit: And you failed or succeded? |
| 03:19:50 | Psykez666 | i see them in the files folder but not in the database |
| 03:19:53 | krazykit | Strife89, the forums are currently down due to a server issue. |
| 03:20:00 | Strife89 | Gotcha. |
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| 03:20:31 | Strife89 | psykez666: Backup your database and Initialize Now. |
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| 03:20:43 | xxhotman1 | HI |
| 03:20:47 | Strife89 | hi |
| 03:20:52 | Strife89 | have a question? |
| 03:20:57 | xxhotman1 | yes |
| 03:21:01 | Strife89 | shoot |
| 03:21:02 | Psykez666 | how do i backup the database? |
| 03:21:08 | xxhotman1 | just broke my S30 lcd screen lol |
| 03:21:16 | krazykit | Psykez666, copy the *.tcd files somewhere |
| 03:21:16 | xxhotman1 | searching for parts |
| 03:21:37 | krazykit | xxhotman1, sorry, this is for rockbox-related discussion. maybe you'd have more luck at mygigabeat or anythingbutipod |
| 03:21:47 | xxhotman1 | sry |
| 03:21:51 | xxhotman1 | ya just posted |
| 03:21:53 | Strife89 | There's a thing called Google, hotman.... |
| 03:22:00 | xxhotman1 | really? |
| 03:22:05 | xxhotman1 | never heard of it |
| 03:22:09 | Strife89 | www.google.com |
| 03:22:12 | xxhotman1 | wow |
| 03:22:15 | xxhotman1 | lol |
| 03:22:16 | krazykit | please, this is an on-topic channel |
| 03:22:16 | Strife89 | best search engine ever |
| 03:22:25 | Strife89 | My apologies. |
| 03:22:33 | Psykez666 | ok, but will i have to initialize everytime i add music to it?:( |
| 03:22:34 | Strife89 | Just trying to help..... |
| 03:22:49 | Strife89 | Psyke: hopefully not.... |
| 03:23:07 | xxhotman1 | i figured you guys have experience with the parts of the unit though |
| 03:23:08 | Strife89 | This is just to see if it fixes the problem |
| 03:23:53 | xxhotman1 | but thanks and sry for interruption of rockbox |
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| 03:24:28 | Psykez666 | ok hold on its an 80gig ipod so it might take a while :P |
| 03:24:58 | Strife89 | Psyke: You mean it's FULL with music? |
| 03:25:07 | Psykez666 | yes |
| 03:25:16 | Psykez666 | among other things |
| 03:25:28 | Strife89 | psyke: You know you can make a database_ignore file.... |
| 03:25:31 | Strife89 | Right? |
| 03:25:43 | Psykez666 | what do you mean |
| 03:26:03 | Psykez666 | im not trying to make it ignore files im trying to add to the database :( |
| 03:26:20 | Strife89 | You can make a file that tells Rockbox not to scan a directory for music for the database, speeding things up. |
| 03:26:42 | krazykit | Strife89, it doesn't really speed things up when it's a massive music directory. |
| 03:26:52 | Psykez666 | :( |
| 03:26:55 | Strife89 | Every little bit helps. |
| 03:27:28 | Psykez666 | so im guessing it has been scanning in the background for the music its just taking a bit because its so big |
| 03:27:46 | Strife89 | yep; watch the disk icon |
| 03:28:47 | Psykez666 | so basically all i have to do is make it ignore the big music file :) |
| 03:28:54 | Psykez666 | and hopefully that helps |
| 03:28:55 | Strife89 | ???? |
| 03:29:23 | Strife89 | forget the ignore thing for right now. |
| 03:29:32 | Psykez666 | ok? |
| 03:29:41 | Strife89 | let's focus on the problem at hand |
| 03:29:52 | Psykez666 | alright |
| 03:30:04 | Strife89 | Disk icon still there? |
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| 03:31:56 | Psykez666 | its supposed to be at the upper right hand corner, right? |
| 03:32:51 | Strife89 | Yep |
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| 03:33:26 | Psykez666 | no its not there |
| 03:33:55 | Strife89 | Probably done, then |
| 03:34:00 | Strife89 | Reboot |
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| 03:34:51 | Strife89 | When it starts up, you should see "Commit Database" (unless it's too fast) |
| 03:35:17 | Strife89 | BRB |
| 03:35:28 | Psykez666 | i have and each time i do it says committing database |
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| 03:36:03 | Psykez666 | but it still doesnt add the songs into the database :( |
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| 03:41:30 | Psykez666 | im getting a message that says "no codec for -filename-" |
| 03:42:08 | Strife89 | back |
| 03:42:14 | Strife89 | I'm back |
| 03:42:29 | Psykez666 | alright |
| 03:42:36 | Strife89 | "no codec".... Check your codecs folder... |
| 03:42:46 | Strife89 | Or your file type |
| 03:43:05 | Psykez666 | .mp3 file type |
| 03:43:12 | Psykez666 | its weird |
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| 03:47:01 | Psykez666 | this thing is starting to depress me |
| 03:47:07 | Strife89 | hmmmm.... |
| 03:47:22 | Psykez666 | im getting all these weird things |
| 03:47:32 | Strife89 | How long have you been using Rockbox? |
| 03:47:33 | Psykez666 | like two of the same song |
| 03:47:40 | Psykez666 | just today |
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| 03:47:48 | JonThacker | Hi. My name is Jon. I would like Twiki write permission. |
| 03:48:25 | Strife89 | Then create an account.... It's not that hard. |
| 03:48:56 | Psykez666 | what does Initializing the database do... |
| 03:49:09 | Psykez666 | does it delete all the songs inside the ipod |
| 03:49:14 | Strife89 | It builds the database from scratch. |
| 03:49:26 | Strife89 | It does nothing to your song files. |
| 03:49:39 | Strife89 | Except look at them. |
| 03:49:43 | Psykez666 | so its like scanning |
| 03:49:48 | Strife89 | Yes. |
| 03:49:53 | Psykez666 | so im going to try doing that |
| 03:51:18 | JonThacker | I created an account. The instructions say I must ask for Wiki write permission on the IRC channel. |
| 03:51:52 | Strife89 | Oh. |
| 03:52:30 | | Part Zarggg |
| 03:52:34 | Strife89 | As in: "Oh, didn't know you had to do that". |
| 03:53:01 | Psykez666 | hehe |
| 03:53:46 | krazykit | Strife89, next time, before a snarky answer, check your facts ;-) |
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| 03:54:05 | krazykit | JonThacker, i'll add you :) |
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| 03:55:08 | Strife89 | psyke666, how's it coming? |
| 03:55:31 | Psykez666 | still in progress |
| 03:55:42 | Psykez666 | i have like 13000 mp3s on this thing |
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| 03:56:00 | cypherpig | WHAT UP MA NIGGAS AND TV ADDICTS |
| 03:56:12 | JonThacker | Thanks krazykit |
| 03:56:19 | krazykit | scorche, scorche|sh, can you take care of this? |
| 03:56:20 | Psykez666 | fuck tv it sucks :) |
| 03:56:25 | krazykit | JonThacker, you have write permissions now |
| 03:57:00 | cypherpig | i'm installing fedora 9 |
| 03:57:16 | krazykit | cypherpig, this is an on-topic channel. please take non-rockbox chatter elsewhere |
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| 03:58:27 | cypherpig | your chatter sucks |
| 03:58:30 | cypherpig | it sucks balls |
| 03:58:34 | Davide-NYC | Is anyone involved with the design of the RockboxPlaver prototype here? |
| 03:58:59 | * | Davide-NYC I love the ignore switch |
| 03:59:17 | JonThacker | Thanks |
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| 03:59:28 | Psykez666 | i put initialize now and it says updating in background |
| 03:59:29 | Strife89 | Sorry to be off topic, but: Ignore switch? |
| 03:59:54 | Davide-NYC | if you type /ignore |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:05 | Strife89 | psyke666: it should. Just keep an eye on the disk icon. |
| 04:00:14 | Davide-NYC | followed by the nick of the bothersome individual... well you can guess what happens. |
| 04:00:25 | Psykez666 | how can their is no disk icon |
| 04:00:31 | Psykez666 | thats whats weird |
| 04:00:36 | Strife89 | Is /unignore a command? |
| 04:00:42 | Davide-NYC | no clue |
| 04:00:45 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
| 04:00:52 | Psykez666 | i can feel the ipod ticking though |
| 04:01:14 | Strife89 | psykez666: then leave it alone until you don't |
| 04:01:37 | Psykez666 | is their a way to check the progress? |
| 04:01:43 | Strife89 | Better yet, put it to you ear so you can HEAR when it stops. |
| 04:01:59 | Strife89 | No way I know of. |
| 04:02:17 | Strife89 | Wait..... |
| 04:03:19 | Strife89 | From the main menu, go to System/ Debug (Keep Out!)/ View Database Info |
| 04:03:48 | Strife89 | Tell me EXACTLY (as in word for word) what it says there. |
| 04:03:59 | Psykez666 | progress 1% hehe |
| 04:04:12 | Strife89 | Negative or positive? |
| 04:04:20 | Davide-NYC | Urghh, forums are down. |
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| 04:04:47 | Strife89 | Davide: Yeah, we noticed. Stick around. |
| 04:05:03 | Psykez666 | negative :( |
| 04:05:31 | Strife89 | psyke666: That means it's not doing anything; it should be done. |
| 04:05:39 | Strife89 | Give me ALL the info. |
| 04:05:54 | Psykez666 | ok here it is |
| 04:06:06 | Psykez666 | Initialized:Yes |
| 04:06:13 | Strife89 | good |
| 04:06:17 | Strife89 | keep going |
| 04:06:19 | Psykez666 | DB Ready: Yes |
| 04:06:27 | Strife89 | good.... |
| 04:06:29 | Psykez666 | RAM Cache: No |
| 04:06:36 | Strife89 | same here.... |
| 04:06:37 | Psykez666 | RAM: 0/0B |
| 04:06:45 | Strife89 | yep..... |
| 04:07:11 | Strife89 | keep going.... |
| 04:07:17 | Psykez666 | Progress:-1% [3043 entries "and it keeps going up"} |
| 04:07:35 | Psykez666 | Curfile:- many |
| 04:07:45 | Strife89 | difference there; mine say "0 entries" |
| 04:07:52 | Psykez666 | commit step: O |
| 04:07:54 | Strife89 | curfile: −−−−- |
| 04:08:04 | Strife89 | commit step good.. |
| 04:08:07 | Psykez666 | it changes real fast |
| 04:08:14 | Psykez666 | in curfile |
| 04:08:32 | Strife89 | hmmm.... |
| 04:08:40 | Psykez666 | and its in the music file |
| 04:08:45 | Strife89 | Commit delayed: says what? |
| 04:09:07 | Psykez666 | like "Ipod_control/Music/f1" |
| 04:09:21 | Psykez666 | then "Ipod_control/Music/f2" |
| 04:09:24 | Strife89 | might be the file it's checking on |
| 04:09:31 | Psykez666 | but just brief flashes |
| 04:09:33 | Strife89 | file or folder |
| 04:09:42 | Strife89 | (not a question) |
| 04:10:09 | Psykez666 | folder |
| 04:10:31 | Psykez666 | you have an ipod right |
| 04:10:34 | Strife89 | Not sure about the progress percentage being like it is, but it sounds like it's still going. |
| 04:11:03 | Strife89 | Nope, I have a Sansa c250 (flash based, not hard drive based like your iPod) |
| 04:11:11 | Psykez666 | oh |
| 04:11:32 | Psykez666 | damn i think it might have messed up my ipod :( |
| 04:11:50 | Psykez666 | it* |
| 04:12:07 | Strife89 | Do you need my Hotmail? (I need to go to bed; we can continue tomorrow) |
| 04:12:17 | Psykez666 | alright |
| 04:12:26 | Psykez666 | what time is it over there? |
| 04:12:41 | Strife89 | michael-carr [at] hotmail [dot] com |
| 04:12:48 | Strife89 | 10:13 PM |
| 04:13:08 | Strife89 | replace [at] and [dot] with appropriate symbols |
| 04:13:18 | Strife89 | spam protection |
| 04:13:23 | Strife89 | ;-) |
| 04:13:27 | Psykez666 | alright |
| 04:13:55 | Strife89 | logging on BRIEFLY to check |
| 04:14:35 | Strife89 | logged on; added me yet? |
| 04:14:48 | Psykez666 | no |
| 04:14:51 | Psykez666 | ill do it later |
| 04:15:05 | Strife89 | make sure you remember |
| 04:15:21 | Strife89 | I'll check in tomorrow; hopefully we can fix this. |
| 04:15:31 | Strife89 | Good night. :-) |
| 04:15:33 | Psykez666 | alright |
| 04:15:38 | Psykez666 | good night |
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| 05:32:32 | Horscht | I was wondering, is it possible to have two rockbox builds installed? |
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| 05:35:18 | Horscht | I assume Loader2 from IPL (for ipods) is required to do that |
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| 05:37:08 | Llorean | Actually, custom compiled builds that look for information in a folder other than .rockbox are required. |
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| 05:37:41 | cool_walking_ | I use the rockbox bootloader and just rename .rockbox to .rockbox-2, and .rockbox-someotherversion to .rockbox, then reboot. |
| 05:37:50 | Llorean | Other than that, you can actually load a different build of Rockbox by clicking on it's binary (.ipod file) in the file browser, assuming that's working right now. |
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| 05:38:19 | cramertheasian | Yo? |
| 05:38:35 | cramertheasian | Anypeople on here? |
| 05:38:49 | Horscht | well, then I could simply create an entry on Loader2 that would load rockboxnew.ipod, Llorean, no? |
| 05:39:15 | Horscht | given, that I'd only copy over the binary compiled from source |
| 05:39:45 | cool_walking_ | But you need the whole .rockbox directory. |
| 05:39:59 | cool_walking_ | Plugins at least, and possibly codecs, break between versions. |
| 05:40:02 | Horscht | I have one allready |
| 05:40:28 | cramertheasian | Oh cool, um alright, I'm trying to put this on my 1st Gen iPod Nano, and it gives me this message: "Rockbox boot loader Version: 2.0 IPOD version: 0x000C0005 SST55LD019K-45-C-MWE No partition found Hold MENU+SELECT to reboot then SELECT+PLAY for disk mode". What do I do? |
| 05:40:36 | cool_walking_ | You can't use a new rockbox.ipod with an old .rockbox directory - all the plugins will be broken |
| 05:40:46 | Llorean | Horscht: Yes, but then your plugins, codecs, and other files would be for the old rockbox.ipod, not the rockboxnew.ipod, which depending on the patches applied, might cause problems. |
| 05:40:53 | Llorean | Horscht: Why exactly do you need two different builds? |
| 05:41:23 | Llorean | cool_walking_: That's not a given. If they're compiled from the same SVN revision, and the patches don't touch the plugin API, it should be fine. |
| 05:41:31 | Horscht | have one "recent" build for bugs etc. and have an old-ish (15979) for performance |
| 05:41:58 | cramertheasian | Can I have an answer please? |
| 05:42:00 | Horscht | cause starting fron 16105, builds for Ipod Video 64MB are hardly usable |
| 05:42:33 | Horscht | cramertheasian, do you have a Mac Ipod? |
| 05:42:37 | cramertheasian | Yeah |
| 05:42:58 | Horscht | rockbox wont work on macpods, you have to convert it to fat32 first |
| 05:43:10 | cramertheasian | How do I do that? |
| 05:43:19 | Horscht | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 05:43:32 | Horscht | I will go offline now. laters |
| 05:43:37 | Llorean | Horscht: What's the most recent build you've tried? |
| 05:43:50 | Horscht | 3 or 4 days ago, Llorean |
| 05:43:50 | Llorean | Horscht: There was a recent fix that should reduce a lot of disk thrashing, I think. |
| 05:44:11 | cramertheasian | Do i have to reinstall the Rockbox stuff? |
| 05:44:25 | Horscht | that's why i was asking, I would like to try it out, without having to worry i will be without music the next 4 hours |
| 05:44:31 | cool_walking_ | cramertheasian: Yes. The procedure will completely wipe your iPod. |
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| 05:44:54 | cool_walking_ | cramertheasian: So back up all your music. |
| 05:44:58 | cramertheasian | Oh, another question, if I use the Rockbox installer, do I have to use the Bootloader installer? |
| 05:45:14 | Llorean | Horscht: You realize you can try it out, then copy your old build back, you don't need to do anything complicated... |
| 05:45:52 | Horscht | well, not when i am on the train, Llorean ;) |
| 05:46:18 | Horscht | anyways, cool_walking_ gave me a good idea, simply naming the old directory .rockbox-2 or something |
| 05:47:03 | cramertheasian | If I use the Rockbox installer, do I have to use the Bootlaoder installer too |
| 05:47:04 | cramertheasian | ? |
| 05:47:05 | Llorean | Horscht: Rockbox has a copy and paste function. rename the old build to .rockbox-backup, install the new build. If it doesn't work, delete .rockbox, and before rebooting, rename .rockbox-backup |
| 05:47:18 | Llorean | cramertheasian: read the manual |
| 05:47:26 | Horscht | yes, that's what i'll do. anyways, I am off laters |
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| 06:26:31 | J3TC- | Hrmm...that's odd |
| 06:26:59 | J3TC- | Every time I turn on my player, I get this high pitch noise for half a second and then resumes playing |
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| 06:34:44 | J3TC- | Need sleep :[ |
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| 06:48:30 | awesomo | Hey, how come when I changed the theme on my iPod, it turned all white? |
| 06:49:59 | awesomo | Hello? |
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| 06:51:34 | awesomo | How come when I changed the theme on my iPod, it turned all white? |
| 06:51:49 | Llorean | awesomo: You don't need to repeat the question, especially after only waiting 3 minutes. |
| 06:51:51 | cool_walking_ | Is the theme all white?? |
| 06:52:01 | awesomo | No |
| 06:52:08 | awesomo | But I guess something is wrong with the theme |
| 06:52:18 | misticjeff | *Llorean - no idea why the forums are down.... |
| 06:52:20 | cool_walking_ | So it's a completely white screen? |
| 06:52:24 | awesomo | Yeah |
| 06:52:38 | awesomo | But it still functions |
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| 06:52:46 | Llorean | misticjeff: :( Unfortunate. |
| 06:52:54 | misticjeff | it's not the server |
| 06:53:00 | Llorean | awesomo: Does your old font have white text? |
| 06:53:04 | misticjeff | servers been up and fine all day |
| 06:53:05 | awesomo | Because when I select certain things it has like "Scanning disk" |
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| 06:53:15 | awesomo | "And some of the screen saver thingies work" |
| 06:53:15 | Llorean | misticjeff: Well, that error suggests the database is damaged and needs repaired. Not sure how to go about it though |
| 06:53:39 | misticjeff | i'll have my guy dig into it as soon as possible |
| 06:54:07 | Llorean | Thanks. |
| 06:54:34 | awesomo | I tried reinstalling the Firmware and deleting and reinstalling some themes, but it doesn't do anything |
| 06:54:58 | cool_walking_ | Possibly it set your background and foreground colours to white. Try rebooting with default settings (flick "hold" straight after the backlight comes on, when booting). |
| 06:55:27 | cool_walking_ | *flick "hold" on |
| 06:55:48 | awesomo | Oh thanks, that did it |
| 06:56:43 | cool_walking_ | You'll have to save those settings, or next time you reboot without doing the "hold" trick, your white screen will be back. |
| 06:57:17 | awesomo | How do I do that? |
| 06:57:28 | cool_walking_ | Somewhere in the menu... "save config" or something. |
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| 07:48:40 | thedudeabides | how well do aac's and protected songs work with rockbox? |
| 07:49:06 | scorche | aacs work, DRM infested aacs dont |
| 07:49:46 | thedudeabides | So like songs I bought from iTunes wouldn't work? |
| 07:50:19 | scorche | iTunes has both DRM-free songs and songs that have DRM |
| 07:50:39 | scorche | so, that would depend on which ones you purchased |
| 07:51:08 | thedudeabides | Oh |
| 07:51:19 | thedudeabides | Are there any good free converting programs? |
| 07:51:38 | scorche | what sort of converting? |
| 07:52:02 | thedudeabides | Well, just stripping the DRM off, or converting m4a's to mp3 |
| 07:52:14 | scorche | well, that is offtopic for this channel |
| 07:52:24 | thedudeabides | Oh |
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| 08:29:39 | cdiddy | hello, on my e200 with rockbox, the video playsback but the colors are all wierd −− almost inverted. I was wondering if there was fix for this. |
| 08:29:47 | cdiddy | Ive googled and searched everywhere to no avail |
| 08:29:53 | cdiddy | Anybody have any ideas? |
| 08:31:00 | GodEater | cdiddy: does the video playback okay on your PC ? |
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| 08:32:26 | cdiddy | yes. perfect. Ive tried various encoders as well. It seems to be the e200. It played before ... when I first installed last september just fine, but now no luck |
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| 08:32:51 | cdiddy | GodEater: im stumped |
| 08:33:13 | GodEater | how large is the video |
| 08:33:14 | GodEater | ? |
| 08:34:05 | cdiddy | GodEater: ive tried files as small as 3 megs all the way up to 100 megs |
| 08:34:41 | cdiddy | Ive used ffmpeg, memencoder and on the windows side super, and winff which are, I think, the linux equivs. all seem to do the same thing |
| 08:34:54 | GodEater | can you send me a sample 3 meg one so I can check it myself ? |
| 08:35:05 | GodEater | i.e. upload it somewhere :) |
| 08:35:15 | cdiddy | Certainly, give me a moment |
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| 08:36:24 | GodEater | brb |
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| 08:40:55 | GodEater | looks like the Creative Zen port is finally off the ground |
| 08:41:47 | cdiddy | GodEater: The new one? |
| 08:41:57 | cdiddy | GodEater: im uploading to my web server right now |
| 08:43:47 | GodEater | cdiddy: it's the Vision:M |
| 08:43:55 | GodEater | and let me know the url when you're done |
| 08:44:18 | GodEater | I wish mcuelenaere would post a picture of it booting... |
| 08:51:27 | cdiddy | almost done |
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| 09:05:18 | cdiddy | GodEater: Just sent you the urls |
| 09:07:15 | Llorean | GodEater: I'm excited about the Vision M. I think that brings us up to 5 on-the-verge targets, doesn't it? |
| 09:07:28 | Llorean | MROBEs 100 and 500, Vision: M, Gigabeast, and Cowon D2? |
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| 09:09:07 | amiconn | Llorean: plus iAudio M3. Although nothing is committed, this should be an easy port |
| 09:10:17 | GodEater | amiconn: don't forget the Logix DAB thing ;) |
| 09:10:31 | GodEater | assuming linuxstb doesn't forget it that is |
| 09:12:28 | Llorean | amiconn: well, I'm just going with "things I've seen people working on recently, and seem to have a straight shot from "here" to "usable" without too many obvious surprises along the way" |
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| 09:15:21 | GodEater | cdiddy: well - it plays back fine here |
| 09:15:29 | GodEater | although I'm not using a sansa, I'm using a gigabeat |
| 09:15:48 | GodEater | so unless someone's broken the lcd driver in the sansa recently |
| 09:15:54 | GodEater | it should be playing back fine on your device too |
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| 09:18:09 | cdiddy | GodEater: it playsback fine, but the color isnt there at all. Its all blueish and yellowish and inverted. The audio comes through just fine, but its the color. If you have used photoshop, it reminds me when a photo is inverted |
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| 09:18:35 | GodEater | cdiddy: when I say it playsback fine here, I mean I don't see those symptoms at all |
| 09:18:37 | GodEater | it looks fine |
| 09:19:05 | GodEater | maybe if llorean is feeling generous he could check the same vid on his e200 for you |
| 09:19:11 | cdiddy | hmmm .... Im stumped ... i updated the build as well today and that didnt seem to work |
| 09:19:13 | LinusN | sounds like an lcd driver issue, or a glitch in mpegplayer |
| 09:19:27 | Llorean | GodEater: Can't right now. e200 is packed |
| 09:19:31 | GodEater | ah ok |
| 09:19:37 | Llorean | Otherwise I happily would |
| 09:19:45 | Llorean | I only have access to a Gigabeat F, and Gigabeat S at the moment |
| 09:19:46 | GodEater | LinusN: if it were a glitch in mpegplayer surely I'd see it on my target too ? |
| 09:19:52 | Llorean | And no means of compiling. |
| 09:19:57 | LinusN | GodEater: yes |
| 09:20:11 | GodEater | then I don't think it's that |
| 09:20:37 | GodEater | so I think lcd driver is most likely the problem |
| 09:20:44 | GodEater | or the hardware may have developed a fault ? |
| 09:21:10 | LinusN | do we still lower the voltage to the lcd as a battery saving measure? |
| 09:21:35 | * | GodEater looks carefully blank |
| 09:22:02 | GodEater | Llorean: so apparently the gigabeat now plays nicely with all it's plugins ? |
| 09:22:49 | * | GodEater is attempting Nico's tar trick |
| 09:23:34 | LinusN | cdiddy: can you try the daily build from feb 9? |
| 09:24:49 | cdiddy | LinusN: yes. I will do that now |
| 09:25:41 | amiconn | LinusN: Did you see the debug menu discussion in the logs? |
| 09:25:49 | Llorean | GodEater: I haven't actually installed anything on my Gigabeat yet |
| 09:25:57 | LinusN | amiconn: no, will have a look |
| 09:26:09 | GodEater | Llorean: too busy huh ? :) |
| 09:29:14 | Llorean | Been a somewhat busy, yeah. |
| 09:29:26 | Llorean | Also, don't I need access to a linux environment? I guess I could burn a liveCD. |
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| 09:30:36 | cdiddy | LinusN: no luck with that build |
| 09:30:54 | LinusN | cdiddy: ok, that was still useful information |
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| 09:31:10 | BigBambi | hello all |
| 09:31:19 | LinusN | next thing to try is to play a clip encoded by someone else |
| 09:32:06 | LinusN | amiconn: i have read it now |
| 09:32:28 | * | GodEater aplauds Nico_P's work |
| 09:32:30 | cdiddy | LinusN: isnt there a file on the wiki to download? |
| 09:32:48 | LinusN | cdiddy: maybe, i'm not sure if there is one suitable for the e200 though |
| 09:32:58 | BigBambi | GodEater: Good init :) |
| 09:33:04 | cdiddy | ill look |
| 09:33:14 | BigBambi | I was overjoyed the first time I saw Rockbox boot on my S |
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| 09:33:45 | Llorean | LinusN: The H300 one ought to be. |
| 09:33:46 | * | BigBambi assumes that is what you were talking about (tar and that, although I haven't actually tried that bit yet) |
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| 09:35:40 | GodEater | BigBambi: does the off switch work ? |
| 09:36:02 | GodEater | ah - you've not tried the full rockbox environment yet ? |
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| 09:36:40 | BigBambi | GodEater: No, I last tried it a few days ago |
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| 09:36:58 | BigBambi | And the off switch didn't work then from what I remember |
| 09:37:27 | BigBambi | Incidently, when I left the house this morning my E260 had been playing for over 15hrs straight - I'll do on OF tonight tomorrow to compare :) |
| 09:39:49 | GodEater | well the tar code works perfectly |
| 09:39:55 | GodEater | you get a complete .rockbox directory |
| 09:41:32 | BigBambi | So tar .rockbox, transfer it and the bootloader automatically untars? |
| 09:43:08 | GodEater | not quite |
| 09:43:13 | GodEater | "make tar" after make |
| 09:43:26 | GodEater | that takes care of what needs to be added to the file |
| 09:43:31 | BigBambi | h yes, I forgot about that |
| 09:43:33 | GodEater | then mtp-sendfile it |
| 09:43:45 | GodEater | make sure you're running the 00000004 bootloader |
| 09:43:48 | GodEater | and away you go |
| 09:44:13 | BigBambi | Cool, I'll try this evening. I have neither linux, a dev environment, or my gigabeast at work :) |
| 09:44:21 | GodEater | shame :) |
| 09:44:36 | BigBambi | yup :) |
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| 10:14:50 | cdiddy | Thanks for the help guys; Im going to take this problem on another night |
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| 10:53:01 | mrkiko | two notes about rockbox on H340 ... |
| 10:53:20 | mrkiko | 1 - If you disable fade during stop and pause, then enable the setting |
| 10:53:31 | mrkiko | which simulates the iPod behaviour when pressing keys, the player |
| 10:53:50 | mrkiko | will do two glitches when restarting the audio, instead of doing one when you pause and anoher when you unpause. |
| 10:56:55 | advcomp2019 | mrkiko, you talking about a delay? |
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| 11:10:11 | mrkiko | advcomp2019: ... in what sense? |
| 11:12:19 | advcomp2019 | mrkiko, so i do not need to type it all out.. here is some else with the same issue as me from the log: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080216#03:39:18 |
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| 12:09:58 | GodEater | Nico_P: I had a chance to try out the tar file implementation you did - nice work! |
| 12:10:37 | gevaerts | Could someone with an ipod do a USB test for me ? |
| 12:10:53 | * | GodEater volunteers |
| 12:11:59 | Nico_P | GodEater: thanks :) |
| 12:12:32 | gevaerts | GodEater: in usb_drv_init() in usb-drv-pp502x.c there's a line that forces the device to full speed (REG_PORTSC1 |= PORTSCX_PORT_FORCE_FULL_SPEED). Could you try removing that and see what happens ? On sansa it makes the partition table read fail, but I'm not sure if this is a general PP problem or just sansa |
| 12:13:06 | GodEater | gevaerts: give me a few mins to apply the patch in the first place, and I'll get right on it |
| 12:13:25 | gevaerts | GodEater: plain svn should be fine. Just use -DUSE_ROCKBOX_USB |
| 12:13:34 | GodEater | ah ok |
| 12:13:46 | GodEater | just add that to CFLAGS ? |
| 12:14:04 | gevaerts | I usually add it to the EXTRA_DEFINES in the makefile |
| 12:14:41 | GodEater | ok - I'll do that instead |
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| 12:15:24 | gevaerts | It's just that as far as I know the high-speed problem has only ever been seen on sansa, most probably because nobody ever tried it on ipod. |
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| 12:18:58 | GodEater | building now |
| 12:20:46 | Llorean | On a vaguely related note, have the guys tried to get the USB code even in a vaguely usable state on gigabeast, even if it's slow, for easier testing? |
| 12:21:02 | GodEater | Nico_P: do you know if the Power button is just disabled? Or do we not know how to power down the S yet ? |
| 12:21:21 | GodEater | Llorean: no-one with the right level of clue has tried yet |
| 12:21:27 | Nico_P | GodEater: I don't know, but I guess the latter |
| 12:21:50 | GodEater | good to know it's not just me then |
| 12:21:51 | GodEater | :) |
| 12:23:09 | gevaerts | Llorean: as far as I know it's basically a matter to find the correct device enable and/or device reset bits. |
| 12:23:51 | gevaerts | Llorean: once that's done the driver _should_ support the gigabeat S, since we're actually using the iMX31 documentation to write it |
| 12:24:05 | GodEater | hmm |
| 12:24:08 | GodEater | not good news |
| 12:24:22 | GodEater | gevaerts: the iPod just hung when I put the cable in |
| 12:24:55 | GodEater | hmm |
| 12:25:02 | GodEater | it unhung when I removed it though ;) |
| 12:25:03 | Llorean | gevaerts: That's what got me thinking about it. And USB support on the S would I think make life a good deal better for the people working on it, since right now they must us MTP to copy things over. |
| 12:25:09 | gevaerts | GodEater: any dmesg output ? |
| 12:26:32 | GodEater | right - on reinserting the cable I got the usual usb plug on the device screen |
| 12:26:39 | GodEater | so it appears to be seeing the connection properly |
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| 12:28:59 | GodEater | http://pastebin.ca/908367 <−− dmesg output :( |
| 12:29:33 | GodEater | brb |
| 12:30:02 | gevaerts | That's exactly the same as on a sansa, so it does appear to be a general portalplayer issue. Thanks for confirming that |
| 12:31:47 | * | gevaerts hopes that the gigabeat S people find their usb enable bit soon. That will confirm if it's a portalplayer issue or just a wrong reading of the controller spec somewhere |
| 12:33:56 | gevaerts | I think this hardware people are designing to run rockbox should be portalplayer based. That might help us getting data sheets |
| 12:35:16 | GodEater | hahaha |
| 12:35:18 | GodEater | some hope! |
| 12:35:58 | * | gevaerts can't help dreaming |
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| 12:38:55 | * | gevaerts goes to several chip manufacturers and says "Hi! I'm designing a new DAP. I think I might sell ten or twenty of them. Can you provide full documentation for your chips to help me decide which one I should use ?" |
| 12:39:28 | * | GodEater expects nVidia won't even be polite enough to respond with a "no", and will just ignore gevaerts' email |
| 12:39:58 | * | gevaerts the finds himself sitting on the sidewalk wondering why they threw him out so forcefully |
| 12:40:03 | gevaerts | *then |
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| 12:47:50 | * | Llorean wonders when the forums got fixed |
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| 12:51:39 | * | GodEater wonders when they were broken |
| 12:51:48 | * | Bagder sings a song |
| 12:52:16 | Llorean | They were broken for hours today |
| 12:52:22 | GodEater | I didn't notice |
| 12:52:24 | Llorean | Jeff even came by to let us know he didn't know what was causing it. |
| 12:52:25 | GodEater | :) |
| 12:52:30 | GodEater | that was nice of him |
| 12:52:32 | * | gevaerts suggests to make an analysis of post dates, which might point to gaps |
| 12:52:51 | Llorean | Considering there were only about 7 posts or so i hadn't read, it must've come back up quite recently |
| 12:53:42 | * | pixelma guessed that LinusN fixed them in the morning |
| 12:53:51 | Llorean | Hmm, post time suggests they were fixed 4-ish hours ago. |
| 12:53:59 | Llorean | I swear I checked within the last 4 hours though |
| 12:54:24 | Llorean | They were down at least 7 hours according to the gap. |
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| 13:03:14 | XavierGr | well I will be damned... It is snowing here! That's the first time doing it inside the city. :D |
| 13:03:33 | XavierGr | ah sorry for the off-topic |
| 13:03:39 | Bagder | hah, and we have +6C ;-) |
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| 13:04:55 | XavierGr | we have about that too +-1C. Pitty that it only falls, it doesn't get to stack up in the roads :( |
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| 13:09:27 | * | Bagder scratches head |
| 13:09:52 | Bagder | the .lng files get a different size with the Fs#8482 build |
| 13:10:21 | LinusN | i fixed the forums this morning |
| 13:10:38 | LinusN | it is always the same thing: corrupted database tables |
| 13:11:12 | Bagder | speaking of bad stuff, I finally found one case of bad svn use on the build server yday |
| 13:11:22 | LinusN | nice |
| 13:11:34 | Bagder | which could be the reason it sometimes didn't notice commits and sometimes went locked |
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| 13:17:55 | * | Bagder makes another commit attempt |
| 13:18:03 | Bagder | its just when they climb mountains |
| 13:18:10 | Bagder | they make "attempts" for the top |
| 13:19:54 | * | petur figures Jeff is nice because he's waiting for a fix for the CF issue :) |
| 13:20:24 | Bagder | right, once he's gotten that he'll shut the forums down! |
| 13:20:35 | petur | heh |
| 13:20:51 | pixelma | Bagder: speaking of which, I wondered why the .wps commit this night triggered a new build round |
| 13:21:15 | Bagder | if($path !~ /^(rbutil|manual)/) { |
| 13:21:27 | Bagder | I guess wps should be added there |
| 13:21:49 | LinusN | well, i don't think so |
| 13:21:54 | Bagder | unless we want to offer new zips of course |
| 13:22:01 | LinusN | since the wps'es are part of the zip |
| 13:22:28 | Bagder | yeah, and it's better to do one build too many than too few, imho |
| 13:23:08 | LinusN | absolutely |
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| 13:23:29 | * | Bagder now hopes for some bonus green delta points |
| 13:24:27 | Bagder | if things go right, the language warnings will now turn up as yellows |
| 13:24:35 | Bagder | they did... |
| 13:26:05 | pixelma | hmm, but I'm almost certain that commits to the wps dir once were excluded, at least in cvs times... |
| 13:26:22 | Bagder | -5922 on the player is kind of cool... |
| 13:26:42 | Bagder | -5200 on the ondio sp |
| 13:26:47 | amiconn | LinusN: Any opinion on the debug_menu thing? |
| 13:27:23 | Bagder | and actually, thats -10400 ram usage |
| 13:27:25 | LinusN | amiconn: i saw little discussion about the debug menu and much discussion about the target tree and target specific apps/ code |
| 13:27:41 | amiconn | yes |
| 13:28:14 | LinusN | amiconn: you mean doing the actual hardware stuff in the target tree and just use the debug menu as a front end? |
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| 13:29:14 | amiconn | My opinion is that it would be best to put the target specific parts of the debug menu into separate files under apps/debug/ |
| 13:29:33 | LinusN | sounds fair enough |
| 13:29:59 | amiconn | No other apps code should contain significant amounts of target specific code that would warrant an apps/target/ sub-tree |
| 13:30:26 | amiconn | And the .lds files should be moved into the target tree, including plugin.lds |
| 13:36:01 | Bagder | the entire files? |
| 13:36:09 | Bagder | or just the defines the .lds files use? |
| 13:36:13 | LinusN | is the debug menu really that much of a problem today? |
| 13:37:13 | petur | it is a bit of an #ifdef hell of course |
| 13:37:37 | petur | but I wouldn't care for a debug menu |
| 13:38:08 | * | petur wants to nag amiconn about CF again |
| 13:39:07 | LinusN | petur: my point exactly, it's only a debug menu |
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| 13:41:22 | amiconn | LinusN: The debug menu is an ifdef hell, and quite long. Splitting it would make it easier to find stuff |
| 13:41:42 | n1s | Bagder: seems lang/Makefile is missing from FILES, also nice ram save! :) |
| 13:43:02 | Bagder | thanks, added that now |
| 13:43:34 | amiconn | austriancoder reverted his split-off for PP, but pointed out that some debug menu parts for s3c2440 and m:robe 500 already are in target tree (where they don't belong imo) |
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| 13:44:59 | LinusN | i agree about keeping the debug stuff in the apps tree |
| 13:45:05 | preglow | deed |
| 13:45:16 | petur | +in |
| 13:45:55 | LinusN | and if someone feels that it is important to split the file info many, go ahead |
| 13:46:30 | LinusN | it's not on the top of my prio list, but someone else might have a shorter list than i do |
| 13:46:53 | petur | or an unsorted one... |
| 13:47:16 | petur | LIFO |
| 13:47:29 | preglow | i've got a binary tree :/ |
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| 14:19:18 | aliask | GodEater: The power button on the Gigabeast isn't a button in the sense that the others are - it's just tied to an interrupt on the power management chip (which we don't have the datasheet for) |
| 14:20:00 | GodEater | aliask: ah ok |
| 14:24:38 | * | preglow sees he has indeliberately given the gigabeat a nickname... |
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| 14:30:45 | aliask | jhMikeS: Around? |
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| 14:33:17 | Llorean | preglow: And a damn fine one at that |
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| 14:38:25 | quickquestion | hi, does anybody know where I would be able to obtain an older build, say, from oct. 2007? Does not seem to be on the main site |
| 14:38:39 | soap | you would have to build one yourself, quickquestion. |
| 14:38:55 | soap | Is there a specific reason you're looking for such an old build? |
| 14:39:49 | quickquestion | soap: I just installed a new build and the bookmark control is changed and it doesn't seem to work correctly; it freezes my mp3 player when i try to reload them. It seems to me that the developers are working on it, but no solution as of yet |
| 14:39:56 | quickquestion | Would you know anything? |
| 14:40:19 | quickquestion | The one from october worked just fine |
| 14:40:24 | preglow | Llorean: remarkably catchy for a typo, isn't it :) |
| 14:40:28 | soap | What device are you using quickquestion? |
| 14:40:50 | quickquestion | e200 non r v.1 |
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| 14:42:36 | soap | I am no expert on bookmarks, you might want to wait for someone better than I to speak on the current status of that subject. |
| 14:44:51 | quickquestion | from what I've found on the forums, it seems to be a problem that others are having since jan 19. problem is the builds on main page only go as far back as that date. Not critical, but audibook peeps freak out |
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| 14:57:39 | * | aliask can't figure out how to make the SPI driver interrupt based. |
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| 14:58:41 | aliask | How can I deliver the received bytes back to the calling function? |
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| 15:05:40 | petur | aliask: store in a buffer and send a message to the calling function? |
| 15:06:10 | aliask | Send a message" |
| 15:06:23 | aliask | s/"/?/ |
| 15:07:22 | petur | never done it for Rockbox but there is either a message queue or you could use a variable to poll on |
| 15:10:12 | aliask | If I was polling a variable then I may as well not make it interrupt based - the SPI interface has a status register which the current method polls which I assume would be equivalent to polling some variable that is set by an interrupt. |
| 15:10:27 | petur | true |
| 15:10:46 | Nico_P | aliask: what is the SPI? |
| 15:11:42 | aliask | Serial interface, it's used to communicate to the power management chip. I wrote a driver for it but jhMikeS disabled it because it apparently hung sometimes. |
| 15:11:53 | Nico_P | ok |
| 15:12:23 | aliask | There are a few things I know how to do with the PMU, like turn off the power and turn the backlight on and off. |
| 15:12:32 | * | gevaerts just found out why this his latest SCSI work didn't behave properly |
| 15:12:38 | petur | aliask: you could check other drivers to find one that uses IRQ, the ones I know of don't |
| 15:12:55 | petur | aliask: when polling, inc a timeout variable |
| 15:12:58 | * | aliask wishes the mc13783 datasheet was available |
| 15:13:38 | Nico_P | aliask: nice. so how would shutdown work? |
| 15:13:40 | aliask | petur: I have a timeout in the existing code |
| 15:13:53 | petur | then how can it hang? |
| 15:13:58 | Nico_P | the off button fires an interrupt, and you get the result of tat interrupt throught the SPI? |
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| 15:14:26 | aliask | Nico_P: I don't know if it's the "cleanest" way but you can tell the PMU to stop providing power to the ARM |
| 15:14:28 | amiconn | There are several interrupt based drivers, e.g. the wheel driver for 1st/2nd/3rd gen and mini 1st gen ipods |
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| 15:15:10 | aliask | Nico_P: I'm not entirely sure how the interrupts work through the PMU |
| 15:15:27 | aliask | amiconn: Thanks, I'll take a look. |
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| 15:16:06 | Nico_P | aliask: what about the suspend, like the OF does? |
| 15:16:29 | aliask | Nico_P: I think that's done in the ARM core (but I'm not sure) |
| 15:16:50 | Nico_P | ok |
| 15:17:05 | aliask | Turning the power off at the PMU works nicely I think, because the power button actually turns it back on |
| 15:18:20 | aliask | (and there should be very little power drain while it's in the "off" state) |
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| 15:19:53 | Nico_P | btw, do you know what causes undefined instruction errors in the codecs (at least MP3)? |
| 15:23:31 | aliask | Possibly a linking error? Is there a codec.lds (or equivalent)? |
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| 15:24:17 | amiconn | codecs use plugin.lds |
| 15:24:35 | peppo | anyone know where one can find an 80GB iPod Video 5.5G in sweden? |
| 15:25:46 | aliask | I noticed that jhMikeS disabled the IRAM in app.lds, perhaps it doesn't work? |
| 15:26:02 | peppo | or should I hold out with my mobile phone and wait and see if "Classic" is supported? |
| 15:26:26 | Zagor | peppo: blocket? |
| 15:26:51 | aliask | peppo: I wouldn't hold your breath on the classic being supported |
| 15:26:53 | peppo | Zagor, probably? :( all places I found new are actually Classics |
| 15:27:48 | peppo | no 80gbs on blocket :/ |
| 15:27:49 | peppo | bleh |
| 15:28:03 | peppo | what other large capacity units are supported by RB? |
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| 15:28:56 | cart66 | which is better on rockbox mpeg1 or 2? |
| 15:29:49 | cart66 | for an ipod... |
| 15:30:22 | peppo | I should perhaps just get an iaudio x5 again |
| 15:30:27 | peppo | but they're only 30gb :/ sigh |
| 15:30:42 | n1s | there are 60 gb x5's |
| 15:31:23 | peppo | too bad I can't find any to buy then :( |
| 15:32:14 | Zagor | what's the visual difference btwn 5g and 5.5g? |
| 15:32:36 | n1s | Zagor: don't think there is one... |
| 15:32:48 | cart66 | oh yes i'm also having a problem with the audio cuting out before the video is done, although the sink is right. |
| 15:33:19 | peppo | hm. seems there's no viable mp3-ogg-flac-lastfm enabled players that are 60GB+ out there? |
| 15:34:14 | petur | gigabeat? iriver with hdd upgrade? |
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| 15:36:25 | peppo | didn't know of these brands, well, not gigabeat at least |
| 15:37:13 | petur | peppo: see the list on rockbox.org. Support for the S model is underway |
| 15:37:25 | peppo | gigabeat aren't sold in sweden :/ |
| 15:37:32 | Zagor | peppo: I spot three used 80gb on blocket. what am I missing? |
| 15:37:41 | peppo | Zagor, my poor search skills |
| 15:38:44 | Zagor | http://www.blocket.se/li?ca=11_s&th=1&q=ipod+video+80gb&c=0&w=3&aws=&awe= |
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| 15:40:03 | peppo | thanks Zagor! |
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| 15:44:57 | cart66 | rockbox mpeg doesnt play the whole file, stops at the last 1minute to go. is it supposed to do that? |
| 15:46:03 | LinusN | cart66: what is "rockbox mpeg"? |
| 15:46:19 | LinusN | do you mean mpegplayer? |
| 15:46:29 | cart66 | yes thankyou |
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| 15:46:46 | LinusN | regardless, it is naturally not supposed to stop playing with 1 minute left |
| 15:47:37 | LinusN | does it happen with all files or only one? |
| 15:47:48 | cart66 | its only 25megs, 320x240 on an ipod video |
| 15:48:05 | cart66 | yes i've encoded the file maydiffrent ways |
| 15:48:44 | cart66 | both flask and vlc mpeg files |
| 15:49:00 | LinusN | does it also happen with the elephants dream file from rockbox.org? |
| 15:49:26 | cart66 | downing it right now very slowly |
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| 15:54:36 | cart66 | i can get 15 fps/at 288x192 or 11fps 320x480 orginal res 720x480 from my disc for some reson. then the audio cuts out for a bit and it stops playing before it finishes |
| 15:55:19 | cart66 | is this a buffer under run with my ipod, how low should i set my bit rates? |
| 15:55:31 | gevaerts | Zagor: did you look at the current ums patches recently ? UMS handling is now non-blocking, and there is no long-running stuff left in interrupt context |
| 15:56:07 | Zagor | excellent! |
| 15:56:20 | gevaerts | Zagor: if I count right we need only a few more SCSI commands to to be fully compliant, so that shouldn't take too long. |
| 15:56:42 | LinusN | cart66: that is possible. we are having disk performance issues in the rockbox code at the moment |
| 15:58:03 | LinusN | cart66: it still sounds odd that it stops playing |
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| 15:58:49 | LinusN | gevaerts: but we still need to find out how to use high speed... |
| 15:59:16 | cart66 | i have bigger res files music videos like 340x288 or something that play till the end but he sink is off horably. oh well, i was just wondering what i was doing wrong |
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| 16:00:29 | LinusN | mpegplayer is not very fast om the ipod video ... |
| 16:00:33 | cart66 | the audio is ahead of the video by 20 seconds |
| 16:00:58 | cart66 | ya i wish it was...dang apple. |
| 16:01:07 | LinusN | wow, then you are doing something wrong |
| 16:01:38 | amiconn | cart66: Did you perhaps disable 'skip frames' and/or 'limit fps'? |
| 16:01:43 | cart66 | how low should my bit rates be? |
| 16:01:46 | LinusN | you should have skip frames enabled, and keep the bit rate fairly low |
| 16:01:59 | amiconn | They are enabled by default, and should always be enabled except for performance tests |
| 16:02:22 | cart66 | well then the frame ra drops to 5 or so, im sure its the skipframes tats messing things up |
| 16:02:53 | cart66 | my ipod is a icrap. |
| 16:03:28 | LinusN | cart66: then you have encoded it with a far too high bitrate |
| 16:03:55 | amiconn | On ipod video, full screen video will always skip frames, and must do so to keep sync |
| 16:04:12 | cart66 | right how low should my kbps be for the vid and audio, its about 192 for the audio and 600 for the video. |
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| 16:05:19 | cart66 | humm. i wish i could adjust flask's bitrate. i'll just use vlc. how high is high thats what i need to know? |
| 16:05:36 | LinusN | i think you should experiment |
| 16:05:46 | cart66 | oh 97% elphants dream almost downed |
| 16:05:59 | LinusN | find a bitrate that gives decent quality for you |
| 16:07:01 | cart66 | lol i suppose so. |
| 16:07:12 | cart66 | ok loading elphant. |
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| 16:10:36 | gevaerts | LinusN: yes. Unfortunately I still have no clue on that one |
| 16:11:11 | LinusN | i guess we have to disassembler the OF some more... |
| 16:11:26 | LinusN | something i don't particularly enjoy |
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| 16:14:10 | cart66 | after loading rockbox when ever i try to do anyting excetp copy a file to my ipod, ie cut paste delete it freezes my computer. |
| 16:14:11 | GodEater | LinusN: wrt "disk problems" are we likely to revert jhMikes spinlock stuff at all - I just went back to a build using it and had forgoten how horrible it was... |
| 16:14:53 | LinusN | GodEater: i don't think we will |
| 16:15:01 | cart66 | back to my issue. yes elefants dream, the sync is off something awful. w/o limt and skip frame |
| 16:15:21 | cart66 | and the video frose. |
| 16:15:24 | cart66 | z |
| 16:15:24 | LinusN | cart66: you *need* skip frames and limit fps |
| 16:15:38 | gevaerts | LinusN: another way might be to use the jtag port to see how the OF sets various registers, if someone has the equipment for that. Unfortunately then the question is 'which registers ?' |
| 16:16:12 | LinusN | exactly |
| 16:16:17 | GodEater | LinusN: does that imly someone has an idea of how to fix it ? |
| 16:16:20 | GodEater | *imply |
| 16:16:33 | cart66 | i got the clamed 14fps though, ok skip and limt on |
| 16:16:38 | LinusN | has anyone ever connected a jtag debugger to a portalplayer target? |
| 16:16:56 | * | GodEater doesn't know of anyone who owns a jtag debugger |
| 16:17:07 | cart66 | frozen ipod |
| 16:17:33 | * | amiconn still did not observe any spinlock related problem |
| 16:17:54 | GodEater | amiconn still has rather meagre usage of the features which cause it |
| 16:18:55 | GodEater | it's entirely unusable with the config I normally use |
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| 16:20:36 | cart66 | rebooted twice. playing, frame skips alot |
| 16:21:37 | cart66 | sync is good i guess. yup the video froze. |
| 16:22:12 | cart66 | are ipod video suppose to suck this bad? |
| 16:22:29 | amiconn | [16:03:55] <amiconn> On ipod video, full screen video will always skip frames, and must do so to keep sync |
| 16:22:39 | amiconn | It's also mentioned on the mpegplayer wiki page |
| 16:23:23 | cart66 | well its plan frozen. i guess im crap out of luck for videos. |
| 16:23:23 | rasher | Bagder: nice line of green |
| 16:23:53 | cart66 | i swear ipods are the plauge. |
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| 16:26:23 | GodEater | very nice green |
| 16:26:27 | GodEater | I hadn't even noticed ;) |
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| 16:35:14 | cart66 | i used the vlc.bat off of rockbox.org my video is upside down. |
| 16:35:51 | rasher | cart66: turn your player around |
| 16:35:57 | rasher | :\ |
| 16:36:15 | cart66 | lol im gunna have to. iam so sick of troubles. |
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| 16:36:24 | * | GodEater thinks we should perhaps disable mpegplayer for the ipod video since it performs so badly. |
| 16:36:47 | cart66 | no i'll live itunes sucks much wirse |
| 16:37:03 | cart66 | its ok |
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| 16:39:17 | cart66 | uhf ipod fliped it around. ':) |
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| 16:44:34 | cart66 | ok for others that ask 300kbps vid 160kbps audio runs at 20.4fps w/o limt or skip frames. sync off by 2minute good but finishes ok. |
| 16:45:48 | preglow | someone go optimize the mpeg decoder if it sucks so bad, then :> |
| 16:46:36 | Febs | Hmmm. I just noticed that although my Sansa c250 says "v2" on the case, the firmware version is 01.01.05. |
| 16:47:08 | Febs | I thought that the v2 models had firmware version 03.xx.xx. |
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| 16:48:44 | preglow | shrug |
| 16:48:46 | B4gder | Febs: they do |
| 16:48:52 | scorche|w | Febs: there have been a few sheep in wolf's clothing |
| 16:49:01 | B4gder | but we've seen "v2" labelled ones being v1 before |
| 16:49:05 | cart66 | much better now. again same vid, but with skip and limt on sync and finishes perfectly. 17fps. |
| 16:49:22 | cart66 | perfect thanyou so much |
| 16:49:28 | Febs | So this might be a v1 after all? That would make my day, because the OF really sucks. |
| 16:49:30 | rasher | B4gder: did you catch whatever the error was with the build last night? Seems the language files were broken as well |
| 16:49:34 | scorche|w | Febs: yup |
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| 16:49:58 | B4gder | rasher: yes, was an error in the apps/langs/Makefile |
| 16:49:59 | B4gder | I found it and fixed it |
| 16:50:54 | B4gder | Febs: yes, it is a v1 no doubt |
| 16:51:09 | Febs | Woo hoo! |
| 16:52:07 | preglow | so they're selling units that are supposed to handle audible, but doesn't? |
| 16:52:58 | B4gder | well, I'm not sure these are claimed to do audible on the package? |
| 16:52:58 | scorche|w | preglow: they are just putting new backplates on some refurb units |
| 16:53:06 | rasher | preglow: They're selling whatever they can put together |
| 16:53:49 | gevaerts | Mine claimed audible support |
| 16:54:13 | B4gder | oh, then they do ;-) |
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| 17:04:10 | rasher | Would anyone with a playback clue would be interested in doing FS #6083 properly? The patch probably doesn't apply anymore, but the idea is awfully simple |
| 17:05:08 | rasher | I'm sure it'd work fine on the gigabeast though |
| 17:06:37 | preglow | shit, that's kinda nasty |
| 17:06:43 | amiconn | Imho it should be made synchronous (i.e. announcement_1 -> track_1 -> announcement_2 -> track_2 etc) |
| 17:07:01 | amiconn | That would even be possible on hwcodec |
| 17:07:14 | rasher | amiconn: yeah, I have that in a comment. It's better for many reasons |
| 17:07:38 | rasher | 1) The processor has time to decode the clip 2) It isn't drowned out by the music |
| 17:08:06 | rasher | I just don't know how to control playback in that way, so... |
| 17:08:27 | amiconn | Well, the clip would "simply" need to be schedules as a track |
| 17:08:32 | amiconn | *scheduled |
| 17:08:44 | amiconn | Of course without influencing track count, playlist position etc |
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| 17:09:25 | rasher | Yeah, it should just be "silently" (without telling any other parts of Rockbox about it) on each new track |
| 17:10:32 | * | amiconn would like that feature. It'd allow studying a new album whithout looking at the display |
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| 17:16:36 | pixelma | Febs: the only thing is that in the c200's OF version 1.01.05 they removed the MSC mode Setting but I've heard it's no problem if you are on linux since linux doesn't know about MTP |
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| 17:17:23 | GodEater | pixelma, not without libmtp installed anyway |
| 17:17:37 | GodEater | I thought you had to downgrade the firmware to get the MSC mode back again ? |
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| 17:18:53 | * | n1s facepalms |
| 17:19:05 | * | Horscht facepalms n1s |
| 17:19:08 | pixelma | GodEater: no, you don't have to they didn't remove the mode, just the setting |
| 17:19:14 | GodEater | ah I see |
| 17:19:16 | GodEater | sneaky |
| 17:19:21 | * | Nico_P still doesn't know what "facepalm" means |
| 17:19:31 | GodEater | hit your face with the palm of your hand |
| 17:19:45 | Horscht | it's the act of slapping ones face with your palm |
| 17:19:56 | Nico_P | aaah! :) |
| 17:19:59 | GodEater | normally done when you realise you've just done something stupid... |
| 17:20:01 | Strife89 | looking for a user whose username ends with "666" |
| 17:20:12 | GodEater | or can't believe that someone else has done similar |
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| 17:20:31 | Strife89 | Does the name ring bells? |
| 17:20:34 | pixelma | and there's also a button, hold switch + whatever combo to get it into MSC mode manually (just like the dozens of other modes...) |
| 17:20:45 | pixelma | ^ GodEater :) |
| 17:20:47 | * | Nico_P could've done that when he found out that rockbox's mkdir failed when the path ended with a slash |
| 17:21:02 | Horscht | yes, that would have been such an occasion, Nico_P |
| 17:21:05 | Febs | pixelma: yes, I had that issue, but was able to downgrade the firmware, and I now have Rockbox running on my c250. |
| 17:21:10 | GodEater | pixelma: I gathered that was for me ;) |
| 17:21:47 | Nico_P | Horscht: it's a bug I should fix |
| 17:21:47 | pixelma | all nice then... :) |
| 17:21:58 | * | Nico_P takes off |
| 17:23:00 | Horscht | Nico_P, what is a bug? |
| 17:23:17 | Nico_P | the trailing slash thing in mkdir |
| 17:23:21 | GodEater | not being able to call mkdir with a path with a trailing '/' |
| 17:23:27 | Horscht | ah, i thought you had already |
| 17:23:38 | Horscht | at least that's what i thought I had gathered yesterday |
| 17:23:40 | Nico_P | no. I assumed it wasn't a bug and fixed my code |
| 17:24:03 | Nico_P | GodEater: mkdir thinks you're trying to create a dir with an empty name |
| 17:24:06 | Nico_P | so it fails |
| 17:24:25 | GodEater | that's pretty stupid of it :) |
| 17:24:32 | Nico_P | that held me up quite a long time on the tar thing |
| 17:24:35 | Horscht | isn't fixing a bug the most desireable result when fixing ones code? |
| 17:24:37 | GodEater | I bet |
| 17:24:54 | GodEater | Horscht: yes, but you can only do that once you realise it's a bug |
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| 17:25:01 | ctaylorr | Hi. Just wondering...is there a reason why the `clean' target (from the makefile generated by choosing Sansa e200/Normal) removes directories like `apps'. It makes it impossible to `make clean' and then `make' <−− apps is from SVN. |
| 17:25:16 | Horscht | that shows how much knowledge I have of coding |
| 17:25:36 | GodEater | ctaylorr: "make clean" followed by "make" works fine for me |
| 17:25:37 | amiconn | ctaylorr: You are *not* supposed to build in the svn root. Make a build directory |
| 17:25:48 | ctaylorr | amiconn: Ah. Thanks. |
| 17:25:54 | GodEater | ah, amiconn is more perceptive... |
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| 17:26:43 | Horscht | eh? that was weird. I see someone said something after GodEater and before me, but I neither see a timestamp, nor a nick |
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| 17:27:27 | Horscht | ah, highlighting the text helps |
| 17:27:28 | ctaylorr | Horscht: That was me. |
| 17:28:02 | ctaylorr | Horscht: That I know of, I have nothing special in my nick. |
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| 17:28:34 | Horscht | yeah, must have been my irc client acting up |
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| 17:31:08 | ctaylorr | GodEater: Hmm...I remember building from SVN a long time ago. At some point did configure create the build directory and generate the Makefile there? Would be great to avoid confusion. Granted, good work on the Makefiles, though. |
| 17:31:31 | GodEater | ctaylorr: not that I ever recall no |
| 17:31:40 | GodEater | I've always had to create a build directory |
| 17:31:50 | ctaylorr | GodEater: k |
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| 17:32:40 | amiconn | ctaylorr: That wouldn't be as simple as it sounds, as one may want several build dirs for several targets, sims, voices ... |
| 17:32:47 | * | amiconn has a few dozen build dirs |
| 17:33:23 | ctaylorr | amiconn: I'd suggest rigging the Makefile to not work out of the root, but it's refreshing to see working Makefiles. Hmm...guess education is key. |
| 17:33:52 | amiconn | Iirc the Makefiles is supposed to do that, or at least was |
| 17:34:16 | amiconn | erm, I mean configure |
| 17:35:14 | ctaylorr | Would be cool to have it just create a unique build directory. If build exists, make a new one and throw the generated makefile in. |
| 17:37:44 | GodEater | I think configure complains if you try to run it from the tools directory |
| 17:37:51 | GodEater | I've never tried it from the svn root though |
| 17:38:24 | GodEater | yes, it doesn't complain if you run it there |
| 17:41:08 | ctaylorr | GodEater: An extra check for tools/configure (on top of a test for configure) should do the trick. |
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| 18:37:17 | gevaerts | Does anyone here know anything about the cpu cache on pp502x ? |
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| 18:39:34 | gevaerts | I've been thinking about the usb high-speed issue, and I think the symptoms might be compatible with a caching issue : on write we have a problem every 32 bytes, and on read we have a problem after 95 bytes + a bad crc, so that might be 96 bytes. Since the cache is 32-byte aligned I think there might be a connection. |
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| 18:46:34 | preglow | jhMikeS knows a fair deal |
| 18:47:00 | preglow | and wouldn't hesitate to say he's the one with the greatest amount of knowledge in the area |
| 18:48:28 | gevaerts | Thanks. I guess he'll answer when he's around |
| 18:49:25 | preglow | just ask him and see if he is around :) |
| 18:51:57 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: are you around ? Can you look at what I said a few minutes ago and comment ? |
| 18:52:04 | * | gevaerts waits... |
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| 18:55:44 | gevaerts | This is interesing. I can't reproduce the 32-byte repeating corruption on write any more. |
| 18:57:25 | low_light | gevaerts: have you seen http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/memory_controller.txt |
| 18:59:42 | gevaerts | low_light: I've seen it, but it was a while ago. It says a cacheline is 16bytes, which somewhat ruins my theory... |
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| 19:00:54 | Horscht | 32 is a multiple of 16 :p |
| 19:02:06 | gevaerts | Yes, but it still doesn't match as nicely. |
| 19:04:08 | * | gevaerts can't reproduce the 32-byte repeating corruption on write any more, and starts some stress testing to make sure |
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| 19:07:24 | gevaerts | bertrik: did you read my comment about SCSI versions from last night on flyspray ? |
| 19:07:49 | bertrik | yes, I think I was wrong mentioning the RBC specs |
| 19:07:51 | DerPapst | good morning ladies and gentleman. Quick question... what does "int lcd_getstringsize(const unsigned char *str, int *w, int *h);" actually return? Is it the same value as *w? |
| 19:09:07 | gevaerts | bertrik: probably. Anyway I'm pretty close to implementing all mandatory SBC-1 and SPC-2 commands now. |
| 19:10:54 | low_light | DerPapst: yes |
| 19:11:18 | gevaerts | betrik: SBC-2 has this intriguing thing about a VPD page that tells the host to limit transfers to whatever the device says. With some luck OSes actually implement that, and I guess being able to regain 64 or 96 kb of RAM offsets the added code easily |
| 19:11:21 | bertrik | gevaerts: cool. I wrote a mass storage device driver for a microcontroller and I'm using SBC-2 and SPC-3 for that, but I have to admit I don't really know if it's any better than SBC-1 + SPC-2 |
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| 19:12:15 | gevaerts | bertrik: the differences in mandatory commands seem small. |
| 19:12:26 | * | gevaerts is going to eat something |
| 19:12:38 | bertrik | hmm, I wonder if windows or linux actually read the VPD data |
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| 19:18:12 | BigBambi | Nico_P, GodEater: there? |
| 19:18:44 | BigBambi | Does the gigabeast normal build compile for you with current SVN? |
| 19:20:26 | * | BigBambi slaps forhead |
| 19:20:29 | BigBambi | *forehead |
| 19:20:39 | BigBambi | Don't worry, I was being stupid |
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| 19:22:55 | Horscht | facepalm situation! |
| 19:23:39 | BigBambi | yup |
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| 19:27:55 | DerPapst | low_light: thank you :-) |
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| 19:34:48 | gevaerts | bertrik: that's the main question. If one single common OS doesn't, I think we should stay with SBC-1 and SPC-2. We don't actually need the extra commands that the newer specs allow (READ10/WRITE10 allow for 2^32 blocks, which is 2TB with 512-byte blocks). |
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| 19:38:04 | BigBambi | Nico_P: Great stuff on the untaring :) |
| 19:38:28 | * | gevaerts doesn't understand this. Why isn't this write corruption there any more ? |
| 19:38:51 | GodEater_ | gevaerts: you remembered to sacrifice a chicken to the gods of usb this time ? |
| 19:39:01 | amiconn | Perhaps because your new code does something right that was wrong before? |
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| 19:39:08 | scorche|w | i thought we switched to llamas |
| 19:39:26 | GodEater_ | scorche|w: we certainly have enough of them to sacrifice ;) |
| 19:40:04 | gevaerts | amiconn: most probably, but I can't think what. |
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| 19:40:56 | amiconn | Perhaps now even highspeed will work... |
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| 19:42:19 | gevaerts | I tried that earlier today, but I might have done something wrong then. I'll try again after my md5sum is done |
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| 19:43:39 | * | gevaerts dislikes the OF enough to actually use the slow rockbox usb to check the flash content |
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| 19:45:29 | bertrik | I'll check out the latest patch and run it against USBCV |
| 19:45:38 | bertrik | (I'm still a bit too scared to run all MSC tests) |
| 19:45:50 | nplus | sorry, is unifont the only font that has cyrillic characters? |
| 19:46:41 | gevaerts | bertrik: I think the MSC tests will always be dangerous. I'm considering a mode that only exposes the sd card for those tests |
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| 19:47:05 | amiconn | gevaerts: Btw, as you seem to know this msc stuff rather well: How similar is mass storage via USB and mass storage via firewire? |
| 19:47:09 | gevaerts | No errors in 750MB using 64 byte packets |
| 19:47:14 | pixelma | nplus: no, see here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=UnicodeFonts |
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| 19:47:55 | nplus | ok, thanks |
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| 19:50:02 | gevaerts | amiconn: both use SCSI, so they should be able to share a lot of code. |
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| 19:52:12 | gevaerts | The 64-byte packet version writes at 572 kB/s and reads at 759 kB/s. That's at least 50% better than with 16 byte packets. |
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| 19:52:34 | preglow | gevaerts: still no corruption? |
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| 19:53:26 | gevaerts | preglow: I copied 750MB of files to it, unmounted, remounted, and checked md5sums on both sides. Those match, and fsck.vfat finds no errors. |
| 19:53:28 | bertrik | gevaerts: that's pretty good for a full-speed connection |
| 19:53:52 | * | amiconn agrees |
| 19:53:55 | gevaerts | bertrik: I'm happy with it. Now just this high-speed... |
| 19:54:13 | bertrik | isn't there a magic high-speed toggle bit somewhere? |
| 19:54:15 | amiconn | Although I've seen full-speed ums getting close to 1MB/s |
| 19:54:25 | bertrik | (just kidding) |
| 19:54:25 | * | preglow smiles at the prospect of high-speed alone |
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| 19:55:31 | Horscht | über-speed |
| 19:55:52 | gevaerts | bertrik: there is a magic full-speed toggle bit. The code uses it to prevent the hardware from using high-speed. Not what you were looking for, but... |
| 19:55:59 | amiconn | gevaerts: Does you code use double buffering? |
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| 19:57:03 | gevaerts | amiconn: no. It's fully sequential. A transfer comes in, we write it to disk/flash, we ack the transfer, and we wait for the next one. |
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| 19:58:53 | gevaerts | amiconn: transfers are up to 128kb though, so there shouldn't be too much turnaround time issues. |
| 19:59:18 | amiconn | No, but you can't receive while writing |
| 19:59:53 | bertrik | maybe the USB controller already does some buffering |
| 19:59:58 | amiconn | I would think that since the usb controller does dma, we could write in the background |
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| 20:00:00 | preglow | doubt it |
| 20:00:23 | gevaerts | amiconn: we could, but at a complexity and RAM cost. |
| 20:00:30 | amiconn | Not sure whether we could shadow reading though. That would require reading ahead |
| 20:00:32 | preglow | lets get the driver working first :) |
| 20:00:47 | * | gevaerts thinks preglow may have a point there |
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| 20:06:29 | Nico_P | BigBambi: thanks :) |
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| 20:06:44 | BigBambi | I've just been enjoying playing bubbles on it |
| 20:08:06 | Nico_P | the LCD driver seems to have a few problems... some bitmaps aren't displayed |
| 20:08:18 | BigBambi | Didn't notice that |
| 20:08:25 | * | BigBambi plays some more |
| 20:08:30 | Nico_P | the icons are the main example |
| 20:09:10 | BigBambi | It is a shame the battery switch is so fiddly (and doesn't feel like it'll last too long with all this playing) |
| 20:09:38 | gevaerts | Still no high-speed |
| 20:09:43 | BigBambi | Nico_P: Ah yeah, I see what you mean |
| 20:09:49 | BigBambi | I didn't notice at first |
| 20:10:36 | BigBambi | Heh, I like the 35791365 hours 54 minutes battery life - that is an improvement over the OF :P |
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| 20:12:37 | * | amiconn wonders how much work it would be to write some charset auot-check code that checks all .lang (or .lng) files against the player charset |
| 20:12:50 | amiconn | *auto-check |
| 20:13:14 | preglow | would be a very, very small amount of code if the lang files were xml :) |
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| 20:13:32 | pixelma | low_light, Febs: a thread in the forums made me notice a weird thing in the contrast settings on the c200 - the list goes from 0 to 255 but it looks like it actually only goes from 0 to 127 and starting a "second round" at 128... |
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| 20:13:50 | n1s | amiconn: it would be nice if rockbox could detect if the current font could display the lang and switch if it couldn't |
| 20:14:16 | pixelma | low_light: gevaerts confirmed this for his c200 too, so I wondered what's up there, any idea? |
| 20:15:42 | bertrik | Wow, the USB enumeration test passed :P |
| 20:16:04 | gevaerts | bertrik: that is somewhat surprising. 150 enumerations... |
| 20:16:22 | Bagder | config.h changes is hard on the ccache I guess... |
| 20:16:57 | bertrik | gevaerts: I was seeing some VID/PID entries of 0000:0000 being created in the registry in earlier versions, so that looks like enumeration problems |
| 20:17:48 | bertrik | I'll check how it works out now |
| 20:17:53 | gevaerts | bertrik: that's possible. |
| 20:21:39 | nplus | which file implements the "view current playlist" option (hold REC while in "Now Playing")? |
| 20:22:30 | JdGordon|w | playlist_viewer.c |
| 20:22:35 | * | gevaerts thought of a way to make high speed work : implement the VPD transfer-size limitation, use 64-byte blocks, limit transfers to one block each. It would probably be slower than full-speed, and might cause problems with FATs and partition tables, but it should work |
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| 20:26:05 | bertrik | hmm, no VID:PID 0:0 entries but it still takes about 40 seconds before the drive appears on windows xp |
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| 20:26:58 | * | amiconn thinks that's quite normal for a full speed device |
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| 20:28:00 | bertrik | I don't think that's normal |
| 20:28:18 | * | amiconn does a test |
| 20:28:47 | * | Horscht doesn't think he has a full speed device |
| 20:28:58 | amiconn | Okay, 16 seconds for my archos player |
| 20:29:08 | gevaerts | bertrik: Can you try disabling the ehci driver in the device manager, and try with the OF ? |
| 20:29:16 | amiconn | (which isn't even standard ums but needs a custom driver) |
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| 20:29:43 | bertrik | gevaerts: ok, i'll try |
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| 20:33:03 | Isolinear | Anyone familiar with the bug that caused the iPod to burst into squealing electronic static-type noise? |
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| 20:34:23 | Horscht | you mean disk thrashing? |
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| 20:35:35 | * | petur thinks people changing nicks is very confusing |
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| 20:36:48 | NanoNate | hi |
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| 20:37:10 | Isolinear | Horscht: Not sure, care to explain what that is? |
| 20:37:33 | gevaerts | petur: you can treat them as newbies for a while, pretending you don't know them |
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| 20:37:59 | NanoNate | I have a quick question, I know the 2nd gen ipod nano still is unflashable, but I was just wondering why? It has been that way for about a year now... Is there extra security measures built into it? |
| 20:38:00 | magmaniac | petur: sorry, I was in the process of registering the nick. |
| 20:38:01 | petur | gevaerts: I was looking at magmaniac... |
| 20:38:18 | * | magmaniac was formerly known as FrankOtto |
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| 20:38:52 | NanoNate | Does anyone know why no flashing attempt can be made? |
| 20:38:54 | n1s | NanoNate: 1) All new hardware with no docs 2) supposedly encrypted firmware 3) noone working on it |
| 20:38:54 | gevaerts | rofl |
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| 20:39:16 | Bagder | NanoNate: nobody has done much work on that target |
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| 20:39:20 | * | magmaniac won't change nicks again |
| 20:39:23 | NanoNate | oh |
| 20:39:27 | NanoNate | bummer |
| 20:39:30 | Bagder | NanoNate: but the encryption seems to be the major problem to crack |
| 20:39:34 | * | gevaerts doesn't know who he is right now |
| 20:40:14 | NanoNate | Is there any beta form of rockbox I could try for it though |
| 20:40:15 | * | magmaniac thinks gevaerts is himself right now |
| 20:40:27 | * | gevaerts is relieved |
| 20:40:32 | petur | magmaniac: I think I got around the freezing: it has to do with IDE power. adding a short sleep after powering on seems to solve things |
| 20:40:34 | NanoNate | Has there been anywork on it at all |
| 20:40:45 | magmaniac | petur: splendid! |
| 20:40:46 | * | amiconn hmpfs |
| 20:40:57 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 20:40:59 | Bagder | NanoNate: no custom code has/can run on it, no |
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| 20:41:13 | Bagder | NanoNate: this is your chance to show off |
| 20:41:20 | NanoNate | lol |
| 20:41:21 | petur | magmaniac: I'm now doing a test with original IDE timings and will revert stuff |
| 20:41:56 | * | magmaniac can't do tests today because his battery benchmark will run for some more time |
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| 20:43:49 | petur | magmaniac: you said the led goes on when IDE is powered down. Could it be the led is burning due to some leak current from some signal pin that keeps power? If so, it could well be that this is drawing too much current from a pin that isn't designed for it (damage risk) |
| 20:43:59 | amiconn | petur: Hmm. There already is a short sleep after powering on in svn |
| 20:44:07 | petur | where? |
| 20:44:08 | amiconn | How long a sleep did you add? |
| 20:44:13 | petur | sleep(1) |
| 20:44:48 | petur | amiconn: it also worked ok when I added the sleep after powerdown (was a bug of me and I was surprised that it worked) |
| 20:44:51 | amiconn | In ata_power_on(), right after ide_power_enable() |
| 20:45:17 | petur | hmmm right |
| 20:45:19 | amiconn | HZ/50, i.e. twice as long as your extra one |
| 20:45:38 | petur | needs more investigation :/ |
| 20:46:26 | bertrik | mounting a 1.7 GB volume on a full-speed USB connection took 5 seconds |
| 20:46:37 | magmaniac | petur: do you mean it's drawing this current even when the LED is off (so that the current now goes somewhere else)? |
| 20:46:50 | petur | no |
| 20:47:18 | petur | I mean when the led goes on when IDE power goes off, it is drawing current from some place it shouldn't |
| 20:47:39 | magmaniac | petur: in my current test the LED stays off because I skip the call to ide_power_enable(false) |
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| 20:47:58 | magmaniac | What you say may be right, I don't know how I would find out though. |
| 20:48:18 | petur | which led was it? |
| 20:48:45 | magmaniac | The disk access LED of the iriver, the adapter LED stays off anyway. (except for real disk access) |
| 20:49:20 | amiconn | Bah, forgot to ask LinusN about this led... |
| 20:49:23 | * | n1s plays with GPIO pins on the beast and manages to get the lcd to go all white and what seems like powering off the hd (at least it hangs when trying to brows :)) |
| 20:49:41 | n1s | e |
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| 20:50:22 | petur | yay... still no freezing with svn ide timings :) |
| 20:50:24 | cg | I'm testing the ums_v16 patch and getting some random stuff displayed in usbview in the interface 0 description. http://jakorasia.info/rockusb for screens |
| 20:50:24 | magmaniac | amiconn: thanks again for your GPIO advice, I did play a bit with this, but nothing had an effect on this LED. I know think that the LED is not wired at all, so we can't control it. |
| 20:51:16 | magmaniac | s/know/now/ |
| 20:51:24 | cg | the text after the class: 08(stor) seems to randomly change and sometimes the whole description is missing |
| 20:52:33 | bertrik | gevaerts: disabling ehci does not seem to make a lot of difference |
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| 20:58:15 | gevaerts | bertrik: I just tried on a winXP machine here. rockbox: 50s first time, 30s second time. OF, 15..20s first time, 10s second time (all times +- 5s) |
| 20:58:37 | gevaerts | bertrik: OF was with ehci disabled |
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| 21:00:26 | countrymonkey | A lot of translations are missing from the zips!! |
| 21:00:39 | JdGordon|w | oh noes! |
| 21:00:43 | JdGordon|w | read the commit logs! |
| 21:01:53 | petur | grrrr |
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| 21:02:08 | Bagder | ah right, it does the SOURCES stuff wrong |
| 21:02:12 | Bagder | for langs |
| 21:02:33 | * | gevaerts uploaded the 64-byte using patch, so other people can play with it |
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| 21:02:59 | Bagder | "a lot" then being 6 languages |
| 21:03:10 | rasher | Bagder: did I reverse the logic or something? |
| 21:03:22 | Bagder | no, but that's where the config.h error comes in |
| 21:03:29 | rasher | Ah, fun |
| 21:03:33 | Bagder | something is wrong at that point so it doesn't include that header |
| 21:03:45 | Bagder | which means the HAVE_LCD_BITMAP is always undefined |
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| 21:09:43 | * | magmaniac kicks himself for not doing a battery benchmark with FLAC, which would've drained the battery quicker than MP3 |
| 21:11:22 | preglow | eh? |
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| 21:11:43 | preglow | don't they go along for about as long? |
| 21:12:01 | pixelma | it probably wouldn't especially if your device does not have a hard disk |
| 21:12:30 | magmaniac | preglow: FLAC has much higher bitrate, so more disk access is necessary, which would drain the battery faster |
| 21:12:42 | preglow | flac also uses way less cpu than mp3 |
| 21:12:52 | magmaniac | I was just thinking the same thing |
| 21:13:04 | magmaniac | so in the end it might be about equal |
| 21:13:08 | preglow | anyway, it'll probably get you less, yes |
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| 21:13:14 | cg | hmm... is it possible to replace the .rockbox directory on ipod using the new ums driver or would the files be locked somehow? maybe it would be safer to use the apple disk mode, but i'm going to try it anyway |
| 21:13:16 | preglow | mp3 is pretty optimized these days, i remember |
| 21:13:51 | petur | magmaniac: forget what I said.. more freezing... probably does need some IDE timing tweak :/ |
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| 21:14:18 | magmaniac | petur: sorry to hear :( |
| 21:14:22 | petur | amiconn: got your IDE timing calculations near you? |
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| 21:14:59 | petur | does t1 match PRE, and t4 or t6Z match POST? |
| 21:16:10 | petur | also, identify[67] says the minimum pio cycle time = 78ns, so WAIT is probably wrong? |
| 21:16:58 | amiconn | 0x78 == 120 |
| 21:17:13 | petur | eh? |
| 21:17:22 | gevaerts | bertrik: Most of these fails seem to have the same cause : we apparently don't support going back and forth between configured and addressed too well. I'll look at it during lunchtime tomorrow, with a tracer near me. |
| 21:17:32 | petur | ah right |
| 21:17:46 | * | petur slaps forehead |
| 21:17:54 | amiconn | But I don't have my old calculations anymore |
| 21:18:34 | petur | that would mean WAIT = 8 for 124MHz |
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| 21:20:08 | petur | our speeds are 11, 45 and 124 MHz, right? |
| 21:20:19 | amiconn | The timigs are named the same in both diagrams (ata specs and mcf5249 manual) |
| 21:21:10 | amiconn | Table 13-7 tells you how the timing is related to the registers |
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| 21:24:47 | cg | live swapping to ums_17 patched version seemed to work. I had to reset the device though, it did not want to start up normally. usbview still shows the messed up interface 0 class string |
| 21:27:00 | gevaerts | cg: did you have to reset it before or after using usb (I'm guessing after) ? |
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| 21:28:20 | cg | i replaced the .rockbox directory with the new ums mode, shut down rockbox normally. i tried to start it by pressing menu but nothing happened, so i did reset |
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| 21:30:09 | gevaerts | cg: I don't see any obvious string problem here. What exactly does it show ? |
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| 21:31:10 | cg | gevaerts: did you look at the screenshots? http://jakorasia.info/rockusb |
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| 21:32:10 | cg | gevarts: 21:50 < cg> I'm testing the ums_v16 patch and getting some random stuff displayed in usbview in the interface 0 description. http://jakorasia.info/rockusb for screens |
| 21:32:25 | cg | 21:51 < cg> the text after the class: 08(stor) seems to randomly change and sometimes the whole description is missing |
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| 21:33:31 | gevaerts | cg: thanks. I missed that. Looking at it now |
| 21:36:02 | gevaerts | cg: I tried to reproduce this. I installed usbview, and refreshed several times, without any unexpected output. Can you try unplugging your mouse ? I want to make sure it's not some electric interference with some other device. |
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| 21:37:18 | cg | gevaerts: unplugging the mouse did not help |
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| 21:39:18 | cg | gevaerts: i just tried it using the apple disk mode. same thing happens... may be usbview bug |
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| 21:40:29 | gevaerts | cg: maybe. It seems to rule out a rockbox bug anyway. |
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| 21:41:48 | low_light | pixelma: the c200's lcd datasheet is available (amiconn has it) so it should be easy to double check those values |
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| 21:42:47 | desowin | gevaerts: v17 seems to work fine, copied 202mb, and everything is allright |
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| 21:42:59 | pixelma | low_light: yes, he said 0 - 255 would be correct |
| 21:43:01 | amiconn | low_light: The datasheet is in the wiki, and it says that contrast range is 0..255 |
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| 21:43:35 | amiconn | *But* that data sheet was discovered by matching the init sequence and other known commands against candidates |
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| 21:44:00 | gevaerts | desowin: thanks. that's e260 right ? |
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| 21:45:47 | madmaurice | i see that rockbox now supports sanse e200r. but how to install it on there? |
| 21:45:54 | countrymonkey | Is there any possibility of fixing the lang problem which involves some langs not being built (6 can make all the difference (maybe it's because I speak 2 of them.)) |
| 21:46:07 | scorche|w | madmaurice: have you looked in the manual? |
| 21:46:09 | BigBambi | madmaurice: Not the easiest |
| 21:46:11 | BigBambi | scor |
| 21:46:14 | BigBambi | ooops |
| 21:46:16 | advcomp2019 | madmaurice, there is a wiki about it |
| 21:46:27 | r4v5 | benefits of accessibility: when my sansa's screen breaks, i can use rockbox's voice files |
| 21:46:32 | madmaurice | mkay |
| 21:46:37 | BigBambi | madmaurice: But if you look in the manual as scorche|w suggests, you will see a link to the instructions |
| 21:46:49 | countrymonkey | that's true |
| 21:46:52 | amiconn | petur: My calculations for PIO0 yield the following (CS2PRE/CS2WAIT/CS2POST): |
| 21:47:06 | madmaurice | i only can see the e200 in the download list shall i take this one? |
| 21:47:17 | BigBambi | madmaurice: the E200 manual, yes |
| 21:47:32 | BigBambi | It contains a link to the E200r wiki page instructions |
| 21:47:35 | amiconn | PIO0: 11MHz: 1/0/1, 45MHz: 2/3/1, 124MHz: 5/14/2 |
| 21:48:00 | madmaurice | kay |
| 21:48:07 | amiconn | PIO4: 11MHz: 1/0/1, 45MHz: 1/0/1, 124MHz: 2/2/1 |
| 21:48:36 | petur | amiconn: yup, but how do you calc CS2WAIT? |
| 21:48:49 | amiconn | Note that this PIO4 timing is slightly different from my old calculation |
| 21:48:59 | amiconn | It's called WAITCOUNT2 in the manual |
| 21:49:08 | petur | nevermind, found it in the datasheet |
| 21:49:48 | amiconn | You need to fullfil all mentioned conditions |
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| 21:50:19 | petur | care to explain? |
| 21:50:20 | amiconn | Both LinusN and me wonder about the mentioned 'typical' values in the manual though... |
| 21:52:41 | petur | splendid, freeze on first access :( |
| 21:52:49 | rasher | countrymonkey: Bagder is aware of the problem. In the mean time use an older build. Just updating won't remove the missing languages anyway |
| 21:53:47 | desowin | gevaerts: e280 |
| 21:53:56 | rasher | countrymonkey: so basically as long as you don't delete the .rockbox dir, there won't be any changes. |
| 21:54:11 | scorche|w | does anyone have an issue with my separating names on the DevCon wiki page into a dev/staff group and a non-staff/users group?...it would make things a bit easier to see for planning with regards to who we need to make sure to get to come/who will qualify for help from the fund (assuming we do that again)/etc |
| 21:54:27 | BigBambi | seems a solid plan |
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| 21:54:33 | rasher | countrymonkey: Unless they exceed the lang buffer, which they might, I suppose. Anyway, using an older build works. |
| 21:54:35 | petur | amiconn: for now I have one way to have stable operation: remove sleeping=true from ata_perform_sleep()... other changes give somehow stable results but after a while they mostly freeze |
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| 21:54:50 | gevaerts | desowin: ok. e200 anyway. I should go through my irc logs and write these things down... |
| 21:54:57 | Anon1515 | hi guy |
| 21:54:58 | Anon1515 | s |
| 21:55:20 | Anon1515 | can i play mp4-videofiles with my rockbox (ipod video)? |
| 21:55:23 | Munkie | hi everyone. just wondering how to add rockbox to the linux bootloader? |
| 21:55:29 | | Nick Anon1515 is now known as JamesTM (n=guest@bonn-4db4658d.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 21:55:45 | BigBambi | Munkie: Assuming you mean the iPodlinux bootloader, that is off topic here |
| 21:55:50 | bluebrother | JamesTM: no |
| 21:55:55 | Munkie | ok sorry |
| 21:55:56 | BigBambi | Munkie: Ask iPodlinux |
| 21:55:59 | bluebrother | Rockbox only plays mpeg2. |
| 21:56:00 | Munkie | ok |
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| 21:56:14 | BigBambi | Munkie: It is just it isn't our software, and we don't support it |
| 21:56:14 | scorche|w | JamesTM: you can play mpeg1 and 2, but you are better off with teh original firmware for video playback |
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| 21:57:43 | countrymonkey | anon1515: the short info is no. I could recommend other daps but that's offtopic here. |
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| 21:58:21 | JamesTM | Anon1515 - it's me now! |
| 21:58:23 | JamesTM | :D |
| 21:58:34 | lookatme | is there any kinda patch to make drm protected songs work? |
| 21:58:34 | JamesTM | so i cant play mp4 video files with rockbox? |
| 21:58:44 | BigBambi | lookatme: No, for many reasons |
| 21:58:54 | lookatme | =( |
| 21:59:00 | BigBambi | lookatme: Technical and philosophical |
| 21:59:06 | lookatme | philosphical? |
| 21:59:10 | JamesTM | because i listen to podcasts, also as video... |
| 21:59:21 | scorche|w | JamesTM: we said no many times... |
| 21:59:28 | countrymonkey | no. and you can't play drm stuff either. The iriver h300 unrockboxed does it and the sony mwzz-a serries walkmen do it and the creative zenstone does drm. |
| 21:59:29 | JamesTM | and they are usually in mp4... |
| 21:59:36 | BigBambi | lookatme: Don't buy crippled music if you want to be able to use it how you want. |
| 21:59:45 | JamesTM | scorche|w SRY!!! :D |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:07 | lookatme | no other way for me to use my itunes gift cards |
| 22:00:35 | scorche|w | lookatme: sell to friends...craigslist, etc...but that is getting offtopic |
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| 22:01:13 | scorche|w | JamesTM: like we said either transcode them or view them in the original firmware....on the ipod video, you are much better off using the original firmware though |
| 22:01:22 | BigBambi | JamesTM: Well there we go. 1) Rockbox is open source −−> code is available −−> can't use secret drm code 2) Most people do not want to support DRM and disagree with it in principle, but that is getting OT |
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| 22:01:36 | scorche|w | wrong person |
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| 22:01:42 | BigBambi | That was at lookatme |
| 22:01:50 | scorche|w | yes it was |
| 22:01:54 | BigBambi | I know :P |
| 22:01:55 | scorche|w | :) |
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| 22:02:19 | BigBambi | scorche|w: Psychic powers should be on in here! |
| 22:02:39 | countrymonkey | What's up, hhannah? |
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| 22:04:31 | countrymonkey | what's up? |
| 22:04:44 | countrymonkey | weird |
| 22:04:44 | JamesTM | i see, but why are you talking about drm - drm has nothing to do with podcasts |
| 22:04:51 | JamesTM | or am i wrong? |
| 22:05:18 | BigBambi | JamesTM: You will note my next line said "BigBambi> That was at lookatme" - I got the nick wrong |
| 22:05:19 | hhannah | Hi. I came in to ask permission to include a couple of themes in the wiki |
| 22:05:24 | countrymonkey | When did podcasts get into the mix of conversation? |
| 22:05:26 | stripwax | today, it looks like my ipod 5g hung while shutting down. I didn't look at the screen after shutting down, just put it back in my pocket. Battery was full, and now it's flat (rockbox dies moments after starting up). Has this been reported before? |
| 22:05:35 | BigBambi | countrymonkey: Don't worry about it |
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| 22:06:17 | countrymonkey | hhannah: What name did you register under? |
| 22:06:20 | stripwax | Battery was more-or-less fully charged when I shut down so at a guess it ended up spinning the disk for a few hours straight before dying.. |
| 22:06:39 | hhannah | countrymonkey: HumbertoSantana |
| 22:06:55 | countrymonkey | hold on a sec. |
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| 22:11:07 | stripwax | this is using svn 16290 btw |
| 22:11:17 | countrymonkey | there. I was fighting my browser; that's why it took so long. |
| 22:12:19 | countrymonkey | to get you signed up with write permission |
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| 22:17:02 | crzyboyster | Can I create a new player category at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxTesting for the Zen V and Zen V Plus (combined)? |
| 22:17:32 | countrymonkey | the zen v already is one |
| 22:18:26 | crzyboyster | No, that's the Zen VM, the Zen V is another player altogether. |
| 22:18:47 | countrymonkey | really? I guess it's alright then. |
| 22:19:23 | countrymonkey | no reason it wouldn't be I don't think |
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| 22:20:30 | crzyboyster | Added, then. |
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| 22:22:27 | hhannah | countrymonkey: Thanks! So now I can include my themes , right? |
| 22:22:33 | scorche|w | it is a wiki...if it is wrong, someone will just revert it and yell |
| 22:22:50 | countrymonkey | yes |
| 22:23:06 | hhannah | ok thanks again ;) |
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| 22:23:24 | countrymonkey | no prob |
| 22:24:57 | * | petur has a new suspect: perform_soft_reset() |
| 22:26:39 | preglow | ahh, the ipod nano culprit |
| 22:27:14 | petur | yeah I read the comment |
| 22:27:33 | * | gevaerts suspect evrything |
| 22:27:33 | petur | no more CF freezing without that code :) |
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| 22:28:42 | petur | amiconn: is soft_reset requirted for HDDs? |
| 22:29:12 | magmaniac | soft_reset() seems to be used to wake from sleep, right? |
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| 22:31:04 | petur | next test: PIO4 timings |
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| 22:34:30 | ki | h |
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| 22:36:23 | petur | did anybody ever try to figure out why perform_soft_reset() fails with flash? |
| 22:37:14 | * | Bagder found and fixed the missing lang problem |
| 22:37:15 | ki | yeah |
| 22:37:19 | ki | i broke it sorry |
| 22:37:29 | ki | i'll buy a new one |
| 22:38:11 | Bagder | oh, japenese and korean probably aren't for the player... |
| 22:38:34 | JdGordon|w | doesnt the player do japanese? |
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| 22:38:58 | * | JdGordon|w thought it could do at least some japanese chars? |
| 22:39:13 | ki | srs? |
| 22:39:30 | Bagder | with 256 letters out of which 8 is customizable... |
| 22:40:59 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:41:29 | * | low_light finally got the m:robe 100 touchpad to do something |
| 22:42:08 | JdGordon|w | well done |
| 22:42:19 | low_light | I reset it and it responded with a "hello" packet |
| 22:42:23 | ki | BYE GUYS |
| 22:42:25 | ki | XXXXXXXXXX |
| 22:42:33 | ki | remember to clean your penis |
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| 22:42:52 | JdGordon|w | wasnt he special? :p |
| 22:43:07 | DerPapst | Just have read the question about loader 2 (iPL bootloader) and i know it's entirely off-topic in here and i understand that. But it would be very nice if you could send them to http://www.ipodlinux.org/Loader_2 or maybe at least to your forum thread about loader 2 in your forums. Thanks. |
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| 22:44:01 | markun | Bagder: some of the archos players actually support some japanese, amiconn can tell you more. |
| 22:44:08 | scorche|w | DerPapst: like http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9658.0 ? |
| 22:44:23 | scorche|w | oh wait...i misunderstood |
| 22:44:25 | markun | but the japanese language file will be useless for it |
| 22:44:31 | DerPapst | scorche|w: yes |
| 22:44:33 | magmaniac | petur: I just checked the CF spec about the ATA control register |
| 22:44:52 | cg | is the new ums mode meant to be used only when the player displays the usb connection screen? the screen can be skipped by pressing menu while plugging in usb (ipod) and then the device can be mounted while still continuing playing music and accessing menus. if this is supposed to work like this, is there any point having the usb connection screen? |
| 22:44:58 | scorche|w | DerPapst: yeah...usually we try to send them over to #ipodlinux, but it depends on the person responding.. |
| 22:44:59 | Bagder | I just care about our Japanese lang file, not any theoretical future use... |
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| 22:45:43 | BigBambi | Well I did say ask iPodlinux |
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| 22:45:48 | DerPapst | #ipodlinux is pretty empty and they won't get help there either. so best would be to send them to our wiki. it has the newest build and instructions how to boot rockbox |
| 22:45:50 | magmaniac | petur: I think I understand what we are doing with the SRST bit: spec says you put it to one to perform soft reset, then to zero to end the reset |
| 22:46:09 | DerPapst | Llorean: ping |
| 22:46:17 | scorche|w | DerPapst: noted...thanks for the clarification |
| 22:46:27 | DerPapst | thank you :-) |
| 22:46:31 | BigBambi | I'm afraid I don't have an iPod, have never been to the iPL site, and don't want to search for a page when the person could do it themselves |
| 22:47:04 | gevaerts | cg: don't use the player while you have the device mounted. It will give all sorts of problems (including possible data corruption). |
| 22:47:26 | DerPapst | BigBambi: then just tell them there is a thread in the rockbox forums... |
| 22:47:27 | magmaniac | petur: What I don't get is the nIEN bit... it disables interrupts from the CF card. perform_soft_reset leaves them disabled, it seems. That can't be right... |
| 22:47:49 | petur | magmaniac: checking... |
| 22:48:05 | magmaniac | p.126 :) |
| 22:48:24 | BigBambi | DerPapst: Surely telling them to check iPl is better? |
| 22:49:06 | DerPapst | BigBambi: indeed. i want to ask Llorean if he can add the link to our wiki to his first post in that thread. |
| 22:49:23 | BigBambi | DerPapst: I'm sure he would be happy to |
| 22:49:26 | petur | magmaniac: interesting indeed |
| 22:49:33 | cg | gevaerts: thanks. is there any plans making this work/safe? should the ums mode be disabled, if the usb conn screen is skipped? |
| 22:49:36 | DerPapst | so if they're actually reading what he wrote they'll discover the link :-) |
| 22:49:42 | BigBambi | hehe |
| 22:49:46 | scorche|w | i really would rather not link them to our forum thread...if they want help, they should get help from IPL unless it is dead |
| 22:49:56 | BigBambi | scorche|w: Exactly |
| 22:50:02 | DerPapst | yes and no |
| 22:50:10 | DerPapst | it's kinda difficult... |
| 22:50:21 | BigBambi | Linking them to our forum suggests we support it, no matter how much it says we don't |
| 22:50:30 | magmaniac | petur: maybe trying another SET_REG...ATA_CONTROL to enable interrupts again does the trick? |
| 22:50:31 | scorche|w | indeed |
| 22:50:54 | petur | magmaniac: loading a new test build now... |
| 22:50:58 | DerPapst | iPodLinux is off topic here and rockbox is off-topic in iPodLinux so there is some kind of a grey aera. |
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| 22:51:17 | magmaniac | petur: disabled interrupts would sure explain freezing :) |
| 22:51:20 | gevaerts | cg: I haven't looked yet how to change this. As far as I am concerned UMS shouldn't be enabled by default as long as this is not fixed. On the other hand, it's a nice feature to be able to reach the debugging screens while connected. |
| 22:51:32 | gevaerts | cg: so yes, it will be made safe |
| 22:51:33 | DerPapst | i for my part try to support loader 2 wherever it is asked. |
| 22:51:45 | BigBambi | DerPapst: I think use of the bootloader is the responsibility of the respective projects |
| 22:51:50 | countrymonkey | About japanese and its chars, does that mean we need a file specifically for the player? |
| 22:52:02 | petur | magmaniac: already froze |
| 22:52:05 | DerPapst | however we had some rockbox support questions in our forums about rockbox database and such ;-) |
| 22:52:17 | magmaniac | petur: damn :( |
| 22:52:19 | scorche|w | DerPapst: well... It is about using loader 2, about loader 2's config, etc....i dont really see how making loader 2 work with rockbox concerns rockbox |
| 22:52:25 | BigBambi | If iPl don't want to support loading rockbox, it really shouldn't. Ditto for the rockbox bootloader loading iPl |
| 22:52:28 | magmaniac | we need an ATA guru... |
| 22:52:33 | scorche|w | DerPapst: then send them our way ;) |
| 22:52:44 | petur | aha |
| 22:52:53 | BigBambi | DerPapst: In that case, tell them to come here, as long as they are using the rockbox bootloader |
| 22:53:06 | DerPapst | scorche|w: i agree that part belongs to us but normally users keep making questions about rockbox then. |
| 22:53:32 | scorche|w | DerPapst: then like we said...send them here, although we will likely tell them to use the rockbox bootloader |
| 22:53:37 | DerPapst | i do. |
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| 22:53:44 | DerPapst | always did ;-) |
| 22:53:45 | * | petur wonders what happens if you SET_REG(ATA_SELECT, SELECT_LBA | ata_device ) for non-LBA... |
| 22:53:52 | BigBambi | scorche|w: s/likely/definitely |
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| 22:54:12 | roolku | low_light: great news on the "hello" response. :) |
| 22:55:11 | DerPapst | BigBambi: that is the problem. They _want_ loader 2. We send them to you because they're having problems you tell them they don't get support as long as they're running Loader 2. So they come back to us and ask, because lots of our users also use loader 2. |
| 22:55:29 | low_light | roolku: yes, finally! I will send you code. |
| 22:55:37 | BigBambi | DerPapst: We just ask them to verify it with our bootloader |
| 22:55:45 | BigBambi | Loader2 was caused problems in the past |
| 22:55:47 | * | roolku celebrates |
| 22:55:59 | petur | bah, more freezing |
| 22:56:09 | BigBambi | They can check it is really a rockbox problem, get support, then put back loader2 if they want |
| 22:56:19 | scorche|w | DerPapst: if they still have the issue then we will solve it...it is more of a measure just to make sure it isnt loader 2's fault |
| 22:56:23 | * | gevaerts recommends petur to try again in the summer |
| 22:56:37 | * | petur was waiting for that remark |
| 22:56:39 | Shnaw | anyone know how to get .bmp's synched to my e200 to view right, WITHOUT using rockbox's Paint ripoff? |
| 22:56:49 | DerPapst | BigBambi: yes it did and old versions still do. |
| 22:56:50 | petur | good thing I love cold weather :) |
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| 22:57:05 | BigBambi | DerPapst: Hence us asking them to verify with our bootloader |
| 22:57:17 | gevaerts | Me too, but the I don't complain about freezing |
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| 22:57:24 | BigBambi | Shnaw: There is no bmp 'viewer' in rockbox |
| 22:57:32 | * | JdGordon|w really needs to get a gui loader going to get people to stop using ipl loader2 |
| 22:57:45 | scorche|w | the only ones that go back to you are the ones who are too lazy to bother lifting a finger to help diagnose their issue...if they come back to you, you should slap their hand and tell them to go away and if they want support, they know what to do... |
| 22:57:47 | BigBambi | Shnaw: And in what way is Rockpaint a paint 'ripoff'? |
| 22:58:11 | Shnaw | any way to synch my pictures correctly to a different format (PNG, TIFF, JPEG) so i can view them like the original e200 firmware allowed? |
| 22:58:17 | BigBambi | jpg |
| 22:58:23 | Bagder | JdGordon|w: you won't get any thanks and a millions of support questions... :-) |
| 22:58:30 | BigBambi | Shnaw: Check the manual |
| 22:58:35 | Shnaw | just throw them in the original "PHOTO" folder? |
| 22:58:42 | BigBambi | Wherever you want |
| 22:58:52 | JdGordon|w | Bagder: sounds like fun :) |
| 22:59:01 | BigBambi | And be aware that the scaling is only 1/2, 2x, ... etc |
| 22:59:04 | * | scorche|w still doesnt get this whole hubbub about a graphical bootloader...it just slows things down =/ |
| 22:59:10 | BigBambi | me neither |
| 22:59:17 | Shnaw | yah, i prescale all my photos |
| 22:59:26 | BigBambi | Shnaw: You are all set then |
| 22:59:31 | Shnaw | so rockbox just picks up any pictures in any directory? |
| 22:59:40 | BigBambi | You use the filebrowser |
| 22:59:46 | Shnaw | ah |
| 22:59:55 | Shnaw | thanks, very much so, time for testings i suppose |
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| 23:00:03 | BigBambi | Just copy them wherever you want |
| 23:00:32 | Shnaw | ok, i just have to delete 1.8GB worth of Bitmkaps, and recopy them as JPEG's T_T |
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| 23:01:27 | DerPapst | BigBambi: Well, you're right on this one and i can't argue against that. Our users are sometimes... well... let's say they've never seen a shell. So we have like million broken and outdated installers. -.- However, if they install the rockbox bootloader they're too stupid to resintall Loader 2 ^^ |
| 23:01:32 | * | countrymonkey hopes in defense of the blind population that gui bootloaders don't get created or if they do then the kind we have now will still be availible and developed |
| 23:02:00 | JdGordon|w | anyone thinking a gui loader would be the default is just stupid |
| 23:02:32 | Shnaw | you know, even though im sure they are quite common, i have YET to meet a blind person who regularly uses an iPod |
| 23:02:46 | BigBambi | DerPapst: hehe :) |
| 23:03:16 | DerPapst | scorche|w: Loader 2 is some kind of grub version for the iPod. You can boot different kernels, send arguments to init and stuff like that. No way you could do this with a non graphical one. And speed isn't one of the biggest issues there (not for those with iPL on their iPod) ;-) |
| 23:03:48 | scorche|w | DerPapst: but when applied to rockbox?... |
| 23:03:49 | countrymonkey | that's me. That's why rb is so cool. I am trying without success to tell my sighted friends that they are missing a lot by not switching to rb. |
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| 23:04:17 | DerPapst | scorche|w: for rockbox a graphical bootloader is completely pointless imo. |
| 23:04:33 | scorche|w | exactly |
| 23:04:40 | scorche|w | it just slows things down.. |
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| 23:05:23 | Shnaw | wow, anyone ever gotten a loading screen that says this, "load:aeroflame.wps |
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| 23:05:28 | Shnaw | PHAIL |
| 23:05:31 | Shnaw | then a restart? |
| 23:05:40 | BigBambi | PHAIL? |
| 23:05:42 | Shnaw | literally |
| 23:05:45 | Shnaw | on aline break |
| 23:05:46 | webguest93 | when rockbox gets ported to teh zvm how hgard would it be to port it to the rest of the creative players ? |
| 23:05:49 | Shnaw | it ssays "PHAIL" |
| 23:05:51 | BigBambi | In rockbox? |
| 23:06:00 | Bagder | webguest93: still a lot of work |
| 23:06:03 | Shnaw | on the generic black loading screen with white letters |
| 23:06:13 | Shnaw | kind of like a dos box |
| 23:06:25 | DerPapst | scorche|w: rockbox can't fetch arguments and having different builds isn't possible either. The only use for a graphical loader for rockbox would be some kind of testing loader where you can start differen main binaries e.g. for testing different USB patches withou having to connect and update all the time. |
| 23:06:40 | webguest93 | bagder, I know but it'd be easier than strarting from scratch ? |
| 23:06:44 | Shnaw | it says its loading a theme (which i do not use by the way) and then reports phail and restarts, does it again, etc |
| 23:07:09 | Bagder | webguest93: I'm not really sure what other creative players that may be similar to the zvm |
| 23:07:32 | DerPapst | scorche|w: but those who want to use Loader 2 want it because they have iPodLinux installed too, so your point isn't 100% valid in this case. |
| 23:07:37 | webguest93 | they mostly use the same tms chip other than that tho im not asure. |
| 23:08:04 | Shnaw | well this is depressing |
| 23:08:12 | Bagder | webguest93: I recall some file format similarities though, so parts of the work should be able to be reused |
| 23:08:19 | Shnaw | second day on it, and i'm already getting crap |
| 23:08:32 | Bagder | Shnaw: is that really an official rockbox build? |
| 23:08:35 | webguest93 | ok cool. finally a use for my old creative player. |
| 23:08:44 | Shnaw | its the one that came with the utility |
| 23:08:52 | Shnaw | i just did a complete install, out of laziness |
| 23:09:04 | scorche|w | DerPapst: re: different binaries, there is RoLo, so i still think it doesnt really have a purpose....and if they want IPL too, then well, it isnt our responsibility |
| 23:09:14 | Shnaw | it worked fine on a 6 hour road trip today |
| 23:09:15 | BigBambi | Shnaw: Which utility? The one from the manual? |
| 23:09:22 | Shnaw | yes, the one from the manual |
| 23:09:45 | Bagder | there's no "phail" text anywhere in Rockbox afaik, using either casing |
| 23:09:50 | BigBambi | So, just to be clear, when are you getting this odd screen? |
| 23:09:50 | * | DerPapst forgot about RoLo... |
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| 23:10:25 | scorche|w | most do... |
| 23:10:46 | Shnaw | i start my e200, and it shows the rockbox splash, then flips toi a DOS looking screen, says, "loading:aerotheme.wps (linebreak) PHAIL" *RESTART* |
| 23:11:00 | BigBambi | Shnaw: Very odd |
| 23:11:06 | Shnaw | the theme name changes every time i start |
| 23:11:10 | BigBambi | Can you reset your settings please? |
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| 23:11:14 | scorche|w | Shnaw: what build are you running? |
| 23:11:15 | Shnaw | it was aeroflame, then aerotheme, nbow its DOOMBOX |
| 23:11:23 | BigBambi | Hold record as it is booting IIRC |
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| 23:12:13 | Shnaw | ok |
| 23:12:18 | Shnaw | im at the normal menu now |
| 23:12:29 | Shnaw | with the original theme and such |
| 23:12:48 | gevaerts | I just checked. PHAIL does not appear anywhere in my rockbox svn checkout |
| 23:13:03 | BigBambi | gevaerts: I would have been stunned if it had :) |
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| 23:13:13 | Shnaw | WTF, ok, not two seconds after im at the original menu, the same dos'y screen came up |
| 23:13:14 | DerPapst | scorche|w: sure it isn't your responibility. but users don't care. So imo that is something both projects have to work better together. We help them to set rockbox up and you help them with their problems. |
| 23:13:15 | Shnaw | phail |
| 23:13:17 | Shnaw | restart |
| 23:13:33 | BigBambi | Shnaw: Without doing anything? |
| 23:13:38 | Shnaw | didnt touch it |
| 23:14:03 | BigBambi | Anyone else confused? |
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| 23:14:31 | scorche|w | DerPapst: well, they can still load iPL with the usual rockbox bootloader.. |
| 23:14:49 | JdGordon|w | Shnaw: DOS is an OS... the term your looking for is text screen is some sort |
| 23:15:06 | Shnaw | just using it as an illustration |
| 23:15:19 | JdGordon|w | an irritatingly stupoid one |
| 23:15:25 | BigBambi | calm down |
| 23:15:31 | Shnaw | o..k |
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| 23:15:54 | Shnaw | i could have used an even less relevant one, and said it looked like Linux |
| 23:16:04 | BigBambi | Let's not continue this |
| 23:16:14 | Shnaw | but back to the problem at hand |
| 23:16:42 | Shnaw | im thinking, nuke RB, and clean install? |
| 23:16:50 | BigBambi | Shnaw: Give it a go |
| 23:16:55 | DerPapst | scorche|w: they can, ture, but they can't boot different linux kernels or send arguments to the kernel... unless you want to add such support to rolo. |
| 23:17:11 | BigBambi | I don't know what you are seeing, as phail or PHAIL does not appear in the source code |
| 23:17:34 | gevaerts | Shnaw: can you also check the filesystem ? |
| 23:17:42 | DerPapst | and iirc RoLo can't load the OF yet. So those with different OF versions are screwed too. |
| 23:18:06 | scorche|w | DerPapst: yeah...i am a bit hazy on the status of RoLo on those devices.. |
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| 23:18:24 | countrymonkey | Out of curiosity, what type of glyffs does the player support? |
| 23:18:28 | scorche|w | DerPapst: anyway, have we completely deviated from the subject? |
| 23:18:57 | countrymonkey | japanese glyffs. Sorry! |
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| 23:19:31 | Mskt | Hello. Can i ask anything about hdd passwords on this channel ? |
| 23:19:40 | JdGordon|w | nop |
| 23:19:52 | Bagder | Mskt: only if you make it related to Rockbox... |
| 23:19:52 | BigBambi | Mskt: For the old archos units? |
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| 23:20:04 | Mskt | nop |
| 23:20:06 | BigBambi | Bagder: Wasn't there an issue back in the day? |
| 23:20:11 | Bagder | there was |
| 23:20:14 | scorche|w | there was |
| 23:20:20 | Bagder | zagor got several disks locked |
| 23:20:27 | countrymonkey | www.rockbox.org/lock.htm |
| 23:20:32 | countrymonkey | or is it html |
| 23:20:33 | Bagder | and that's why people still find us when searching for the topic |
| 23:20:34 | BigBambi | I knew my memory was good for something :) |
| 23:20:35 | DerPapst | scorche|w: a bit yes. I'd say lets agree that you send them to us for loading rockbox via Loader 2 (mainly the wiki page i linked to and our forums) and we send them to you if they have support questions with rockbox :-) |
| 23:20:38 | Shnaww | ok, RB delted , clean installing, (and why did my name not clear after i got d/c) |
| 23:20:50 | BigBambi | DerPapst: Deal :) |
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| 23:21:39 | scorche|w | DerPapst: yup yup...and if they come back to you because they are too lazy to try with the rockbox bootloader, then make sure people wont be enablers :) |
| 23:21:54 | DerPapst | Just tell them to visit ipodlinux.org and type "Loader 2" into the search box on the left side and they'll be sent to the wiki page for loader 2 :-) |
| 23:22:14 | Shnaww | bambi, clean installed, problem still there |
| 23:22:33 | petur | magmaniac: evn with only a very clean softreset, the first read after the reset fails :( |
| 23:22:48 | BigBambi | Shnaw: Does the OF work properly? And if you want to highlight someone you need to use the full nick |
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| 23:23:07 | scorche|w | Shnaww: perhaps you could take a picture of the error?...perhaps you are misreading it? |
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| 23:23:17 | scorche|w | BigBambi: same to you ;) |
| 23:23:19 | DerPapst | scorche|w, BigBambi: thank you both for this clarifying discussion. :-) |
| 23:23:28 | preglow | petur: same problem i have on nano, weird |
| 23:23:43 | BigBambi | scorche|w: dammit all |
| 23:23:48 | preglow | petur: let me know if you solve it :-) |
| 23:23:50 | Shnaww | hm, i lack a camera, but the messagfe appears for roughly 2-3 seconds before it restarts, so i read it pretty clearly |
| 23:23:57 | * | BigBambi looks stupid |
| 23:24:16 | magmaniac | petur: nasty. so the interrupt bit is not the culprit. |
| 23:24:16 | * | DerPapst hugs tabcompletition ^ |
| 23:24:16 | petur | preglow: the soft reset itself is done very quickly, it takes 0 retries while waiting for ready |
| 23:24:29 | BigBambi | DerPapst: I thought I did :/ |
| 23:24:45 | petur | magmaniac: nope, and neither is the LBA one (which is a bug I think) |
| 23:24:51 | scorche|w | you did...just you referenced his ghost |
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| 23:25:01 | BigBambi | ah, that is it |
| 23:25:13 | ally_xoxooox | hey, guys, can anyone help me for a sec? |
| 23:25:14 | magmaniac | petur: what is buggy about the LBA bit? |
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| 23:25:34 | Shnaww | wait, wait, im not getting the text screen anymore |
| 23:25:37 | ally_xoxooox | Im trying to get my nano ipod running rockbox, but i have a problem with my rbutilqt |
| 23:25:42 | Shnaww | though, i wouldnt call it resolved |
| 23:25:49 | BigBambi | Shnaww: Camera phone? We are really quite keen to see it as none of us ever have, or can see where it comes from :) |
| 23:25:51 | Shnaww | im now just getting a blank red screen |
| 23:26:05 | Shnaww | boot, splash, red screen, no restarts though |
| 23:26:07 | petur | magmaniac: SELECT_LBA | ata_device should only be done if LBA is enabled I think |
| 23:26:08 | BigBambi | Shnaww: Does the OF work properly? |
| 23:26:18 | Shnaww | clarify? |
| 23:26:33 | magmaniac | petur: Is rockbox not using LBA? |
| 23:26:34 | BigBambi | OF? original firmware |
| 23:26:47 | * | petur asks google about CF resets |
| 23:26:49 | Shnaww | ah, let me see |
| 23:27:01 | * | DerPapst goes back coding... and DerPapst starts to hate UI stuff ;-) |
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| 23:27:41 | countrymonkey | ally_xoxooox: What do you need help with? |
| 23:27:41 | Shnaww | ok RB, nuked, time to restart |
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| 23:27:47 | Shnaww | fingers crossed |
| 23:27:48 | soundavinci | Sorry to ask so stupid, I was around 3 monh offline, where can I find unsupported builds for IPOD 60GB, like EvilG? |
| 23:28:03 | BigBambi | soundavinci: The unsupported build forum on the forums |
| 23:28:23 | Shnaww | ok, after a restart and database rebuild, the OF works fine |
| 23:28:24 | BigBambi | If the specific one you are looking for is no longer there it is out of date and so has been removed |
| 23:28:29 | countrymonkey | they're just that, unsupported! Dicect the word and you will find they are not supported. |
| 23:28:56 | BigBambi | countrymonkey: Calm down, I think asking where they are is OK |
| 23:29:23 | ally_xoxooox | hi countrymonkey: well, i have a 2gb first generation nano, trying to setup rockbox. I have a linux PC btw. I was able to unmount it and follow the wiki "convertiontoFAT32" and applied the correct .bin. However when i run the rbutilqt it says it doesnt find my ipod |
| 23:29:30 | BigBambi | Shnaww: Very odd |
| 23:29:32 | soundavinci | Thanks But the daily build is not really working like wished, some patches seems to be missing, wps is messed up etc... |
| 23:29:33 | ally_xoxooox | or rather, it can't find a correct mount/path |
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| 23:30:01 | BigBambi | soundavinci: Feel free, but as countrymonkey says, be aware you will receive no support outside of the thread for the build |
| 23:30:04 | Shnaww | BigBambi: OF works fine, actually, (probably overanalyzing) it seems, faster? less delay between menu selections , loads songs with no delay |
| 23:30:21 | BigBambi | Shnaww: Yeah, probably the same as ever |
| 23:30:37 | Shnaww | i guess i got used to the slight delay in RB so it seems like that |
| 23:30:46 | BigBambi | Shnaww: delay where? |
| 23:30:47 | | Part low_light |
| 23:30:54 | Shnaww | selecting songs |
| 23:31:04 | * | BigBambi hasn't experienced that |
| 23:31:10 | BigBambi | Shnaww: Using the databse? |
| 23:31:12 | Shnaww | thers about .5-1s before the song plays |
| 23:31:21 | ally_xoxooox | any ideas countrymonkey |
| 23:31:50 | Shnaww | on the DB, the delay is more 1-2s when accessing the SD card |
| 23:31:58 | BigBambi | And have you selected load to ram? |
| 23:32:13 | magmaniac | petur: the ATA read/write routines always use SELECT_LBA, as far as I can see. I guess for other commands where you don't really need to address a sector, it doesn't matter whether it is set or not. |
| 23:32:17 | Shnaww | did not experience that option |
| 23:32:24 | BigBambi | It is there... |
| 23:32:28 | Shnaww | where? |
| 23:32:29 | BigBambi | In the database options |
| 23:32:32 | Shnaww | ah |
| 23:32:54 | pixelma | on the Sansas? |
| 23:33:00 | BigBambi | Is it not? |
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| 23:33:11 | * | BigBambi cannot check at the moment, running a battery bench |
| 23:33:38 | BigBambi | pixelma: Can you not load the database to RAM on the Sansas? |
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| 23:33:51 | pixelma | not that I know of, and it is not on my c200... |
| 23:33:58 | BigBambi | oops |
| 23:34:08 | BigBambi | Shnaww: Scratch that then :) |
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| 23:34:56 | DerPapst | ally_xoxooox: did you convert your ipod with ipdopatcher? |
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| 23:35:34 | ally_xoxooox | the ipodpatcher is only for the 30GB i thought? |
| 23:35:35 | DerPapst | BigBambi: Iirc you can't on almost all flash targets |
| 23:35:41 | ally_xoxooox | i had a 2GB nano first generation |
| 23:35:49 | ally_xoxooox | but yes i applied the "mbr-nano2gb.bin" |
| 23:35:52 | BigBambi | I don't use the sansa much, and all my others are hard disk |
| 23:35:56 | DerPapst | ally_xoxooox: it's for all ipods rockbox supports |
| 23:36:09 | BigBambi | In fact, I don't use the database full stop, except to check things |
| 23:36:19 | BigBambi | Which I clearly didn't do this time :) |
| 23:36:24 | DerPapst | ally_xoxooox: so i assume you didn't use ipodpatcher then. |
| 23:36:31 | pixelma | DerPapst: IIRC it's not a question of flash based but a question of multivolume support |
| 23:36:38 | ally_xoxooox | i guess not :) you think i should? |
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| 23:36:51 | Shnawww | ok |
| 23:36:55 | DerPapst | ally_xoxooox: would have been better :-P |
| 23:37:14 | ally_xoxooox | :) let me see if that will work |
| 23:37:16 | Shnawww | BigBambi: I'm going to redownload the utility and clean install |
| 23:37:27 | DerPapst | but it isn't a biggie anyways if you know what you have to do. |
| 23:37:30 | BigBambi | Shnawww: What OS are you on? |
| 23:37:46 | Shnawww | XP Home |
| 23:37:57 | BigBambi | And what version of rbutil? |
| 23:38:04 | DerPapst | pixelma: ah. i though it'S because the database can be read from flash fast enough (no spinup time) |
| 23:38:07 | Shnawww | i didn't want to try and load it on Ubuntu |
| 23:38:26 | BigBambi | Shnawww: Each is as easy as the other IMO |
| 23:38:37 | Shnawww | revision 15488 m1.0.3 |
| 23:38:44 | BigBambi | k |
| 23:38:51 | DerPapst | ally_xoxooox: ipodpatcher won't be able to detect your ipod either if you didn't use it to convert your ipod from a macpod to an ipod. |
| 23:38:52 | Shnawww | well, i'm having problems with my Ubuntu right now anyway |
| 23:38:55 | ally_xoxooox | DerPapst do you have a link for the patch? |
| 23:38:56 | DerPapst | err... winpod |
| 23:38:59 | Shnawww | it likes to format anything i plug into it |
| 23:39:05 | BigBambi | useful :P |
| 23:39:06 | rasher | countrymonkey: http://rockbox.org/docs/lcd_new.gif http://rockbox.org/docs/lcd_new_hw.gif http://rockbox.org/docs/lcd_new_subst.gif http://rockbox.org/docs/lcd_old.gif http://rockbox.org/docs/lcd_old_hw.gif http://rockbox.org/docs/lcd_old_subst.gif |
| 23:39:10 | DerPapst | ally_xoxooox: ipodpatcher is a proram. |
| 23:39:16 | DerPapst | *program |
| 23:39:26 | rasher | countrymonkey: What they exactly mean, you'll have to ask someone who knows, because the page these images were used on seems to be gone |
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| 23:39:34 | Shnawww | CD-RW's Flash drivceews, external hDD's, MP3 players, friends' iPods |
| 23:39:36 | Shnawww | it does it all |
| 23:40:15 | ally_xoxooox | i know DerPapst, but my internet isn't working too good |
| 23:40:25 | ally_xoxooox | i used ipodpatcher once before.... |
| 23:40:30 | ally_xoxooox | let me see if i still have it |
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| 23:40:39 | DerPapst | mmhh.. i though the conversion wiki already mentions ipodpatcher as possible way to convert an macpod o.O |
| 23:41:09 | Shnawww | ok, redownloaded the utility, (same version and revision as my last one) going to minimal install |
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| 23:41:29 | cdiddy | hello, I'm trouble shooting a e200 video problem; I've been through a lot of steps and would like to try one final thing; would anybody be kind enough to send me a video file encoded specifically for the e200 so I can make sure my encoding is not at fault |
| 23:41:41 | DerPapst | ally_xoxooox: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher |
| 23:41:46 | BigBambi | cdiddy: See elephants dream on the wiki |
| 23:42:05 | Shnawww | cdiddy, the e200 just uses .MOV files |
| 23:42:17 | BigBambi | Shnaww: Not in rockbox it doesn't |
| 23:42:18 | scorche|w | Shnaww: not with rockbox.. |
| 23:42:19 | DerPapst | ally_xoxooox: but as i said, i don't think it will detect your ipod. |
| 23:42:20 | Shnawww | all SMC does it convert it to .MOV and scale it to fit the screen |
| 23:42:28 | scorche|w | Shnaww: not with rockbox.. |
| 23:42:34 | BigBambi | Shnawww: Rockbox plays MPEG1/2 |
| 23:42:41 | Shnawww | orly? maybe thats why RB wouldnt pick up the MOV's already in my VIDEO folder |
| 23:42:42 | n1s | ally_xoxooox: iirc you will need to have root privileges to use ipodpatcher (or install a bootloader with rbutil) |
| 23:42:53 | * | BigBambi points Shnawww to the manual |
| 23:42:55 | Shnawww | AH!, no wonder i couldn't watch my tourettes guy videos |
| 23:42:59 | ally_xoxooox | nls can't i just use sudo? |
| 23:43:13 | Shnawww | sorry, when i heard about this, i was on a testerone rush that made the manual seem feeble |
| 23:43:21 | cdiddy | I will try the wiki |
| 23:43:27 | scorche|w | ally_xoxooox: that gives you root privileges, so you can |
| 23:43:33 | ally_xoxooox | yup |
| 23:43:36 | BigBambi | Shnawww: The guidelines require you to check the manual first |
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| 23:43:48 | BigBambi | cdiddy: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#Sample_Videos |
| 23:43:50 | Shnawww | i wouldnt say i havent checked it, just not FINISHED checking it |
| 23:43:51 | ally_xoxooox | DerPapst: i can't download the ipodpatcher.... |
| 23:43:55 | ally_xoxooox | are you able to also? |
| 23:43:59 | rasher | countrymonkey: http://web.archive.org/web/20060614102521/http://www.rockbox.org/docs/rocklatin.html |
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| 23:44:07 | ally_xoxooox | nvm its working now |
| 23:44:14 | DerPapst | ok |
| 23:44:20 | Shnawww | BigBambi, good news, with a Small install, it works clean and good |
| 23:44:34 | BigBambi | cool |
| 23:44:40 | DerPapst | ally_xoxooox: try running it from the terminal with sudo ./ipodpatcher −−list |
| 23:44:52 | ally_xoxooox | one sec |
| 23:45:00 | DerPapst | ally_xoxooox: or sudo ./ipodpatcher −−scan |
| 23:45:21 | Shnawww | this was such a confusing problem |
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| 23:45:42 | ally_xoxooox | DerPapst says command not found |
| 23:46:06 | BigBambi | ally_xoxooox: Are you in the directory you downloaded ipodpatcher to? |
| 23:46:12 | pixelma | DerPapst: well, I don't need the database in RAM on my Sansa (as you said it's fast enough) but some want that option as it is supposed to speed up auto-update together with dircache |
| 23:46:18 | ally_xoxooox | yes i am |
| 23:46:21 | DerPapst | ally_xoxooox: then you've done something wron. is the ipodpatcher binary 1) executbale 2) in the same dir where you're working in? |
| 23:46:22 | Shnawww | i have but one final question, is it normal that if i p |
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| 23:46:47 | BigBambi | Shnawww: As long as it isn't in the manual... :) |
| 23:46:51 | Shnawww | plug my e200 to my comput er while its on in RB, it freezes and my computer doesnt recognizee it until i take out the battery,m and plug it in with it turned off |
| 23:46:56 | ally_xoxooox | its on my desktop so im in "ally@ally-desktop:~/Desktop$ |
| 23:47:03 | ally_xoxooox | its not binary, its a exec |
| 23:47:23 | DerPapst | binary == executable |
| 23:47:34 | DerPapst | at least in my universe :-P |
| 23:47:37 | ally_xoxooox | :) i knew that! heh |
| 23:47:45 | BigBambi | Shnawww: You do not have to take out the battery |
| 23:47:47 | Bagder | Shnaww: no need to take out battery, hold down the power button for 15 secs |
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| 23:47:54 | BigBambi | Just hold power for 15 secs (or more |
| 23:47:58 | Shnawww | it refuses to turn off for any amount if time |
| 23:48:06 | BigBambi | Then the hardware is broken |
| 23:48:16 | DerPapst | soilder in a reset button :-P |
| 23:48:22 | ally_xoxooox | DerPapst: found |
| 23:48:22 | ally_xoxooox | afrika@afrika-desktop:~/Desktop$ sudo ./ipodpatcher |
| 23:48:22 | ally_xoxooox | sudo: ./ipodpatcher: command not found |
| 23:48:24 | Shnawww | o0 then why does it work fine if i plug it in while i have it powered off? |
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| 23:48:42 | BigBambi | Holding power for 15 seconds or more is a hardware off on the E200 |
| 23:49:03 | BigBambi | Shnawww: Because the functionality is different? |
| 23:49:09 | Shnawww | i think its a firmware problem, because when i have it powered off and plug it in, it load the original firmware, and this works fine |
| 23:49:19 | DerPapst | ally_xoxooox: can you try "sudo -i" |
| 23:49:32 | * | DerPapst is not too familiar with linux |
| 23:49:33 | BigBambi | Shnawww: The freezing sure, but if holding power does not work, that is a hardware issue |
| 23:49:34 | ally_xoxooox | yes that works |
| 23:49:44 | Shnawww | hm, not really a concern |
| 23:49:45 | DerPapst | ally_xoxooox: so you have a root shell now? |
| 23:49:49 | BigBambi | Shnawww: Rockbox cannot change how that works |
| 23:49:49 | ally_xoxooox | yup |
| 23:49:59 | ally_xoxooox | should i be in root shell? im not good with linux! |
| 23:50:04 | DerPapst | ally_xoxooox: ok then try ./ipodpatcher −−scan |
| 23:50:05 | Shnawww | im replacing this soon, its about 1.5 years old, all the screw are gone (making the back easy to remove, and the screen is cracked |
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| 23:50:28 | Shnawww | if only RB supported the Zune |
| 23:50:39 | DerPapst | ally_xoxooox: yes, you need the rootshell |
| 23:50:39 | BigBambi | keep waiting |
| 23:50:45 | Shnawww | or, i suppose, if the Zune supported RB |
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| 23:51:09 | ally_xoxooox | it says "No such file or dir" |
| 23:51:10 | ally_xoxooox | hmm |
| 23:51:29 | BigBambi | If you type ls do you see ipodpatcher |
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| 23:51:38 | scorche|w | Shnawww: you were right the first time |
| 23:51:40 | gevaerts | DerPapst, ally_xoxooox: sudo -i puts you in /root |
| 23:51:40 | DerPapst | ally_xoxooox: and if you type in "ls" it lists ipodpatcher together with other stuff? |
| 23:51:58 | Shnawww | ok i lkied, i have one more question, where can i find the file to edit the 'CLICKWHEEL" sound? the current one sounds more like scrambled crap than a click |
| 23:51:59 | ally_xoxooox | no DerPapst |
| 23:52:08 | DerPapst | gevaerts: ah.. heh... as i said. i'n no good with linux. |
| 23:52:08 | dan_a | Has anybody tried using the DMA on PortalPlayer? My test code fails miserably :( |
| 23:52:09 | ally_xoxooox | when it type "ls" nothing is listed... |
| 23:52:10 | ally_xoxooox | ahh |
| 23:52:12 | BigBambi | then you are not in the right directory |
| 23:52:21 | gevaerts | ally_xoxooox: try "cd /home/afrika/Desktop" first (guessing your home directory) |
| 23:52:33 | Shnawww | and i would like to replace the current clickwheel sound with an obnoxious beep |
| 23:52:35 | BigBambi | Shnawww: Have you checked the manual? |
| 23:52:40 | n1s | ally_xoxooox: cd /home/ally/Desktop |
| 23:52:49 | ally_xoxooox | yup okay thats working |
| 23:52:57 | ally_xoxooox | ls works now |
| 23:53:09 | DerPapst | does it list ipodpatcher? |
| 23:53:21 | ally_xoxooox | yes |
| 23:53:32 | ally_xoxooox | but when i do "./ipodpatcher −−scan" says permission denied |
| 23:53:43 | ally_xoxooox | so should i try "sudo ./ipodpatcher −−scan" ? |
| 23:53:43 | DerPapst | chmod +x ./ipodpatcher |
| 23:53:48 | ally_xoxooox | okay |
| 23:54:05 | DerPapst | and then the sudo thingy |
| 23:54:50 | ally_xoxooox | sudo ./ipodpatcher −−scan |
| 23:54:50 | ally_xoxooox | ./ipodpatcher: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 23:55:03 | Shnawww | okay, i checked the manual, and problem one, i dont see a section for "system settings' which is where the "keyclick" setting is |
| 23:55:26 | gevaerts | ally_xoxooox: as long as you are in the root shell, leave out the "sudo" in front of the command. |
| 23:55:34 | ally_xoxooox | ok |
| 23:55:53 | BigBambi | Shnawww: Sorry, what are you trying to do? |
| 23:56:04 | DerPapst | brb |
| 23:56:07 | ally_xoxooox | ./ipodpatcher −−scan |
| 23:56:07 | ally_xoxooox | -bash: ./ipodpatcher: cannot execute binary file |
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| 23:56:28 | gevaerts | ally_xoxooox: maybe it's safer to exit the root shell for now and use sudo. The earlier problems were not sudo related, but were because of the missing 'chmod -x' |
| 23:56:41 | ally_xoxooox | how to exit out of root? heh |
| 23:56:47 | gevaerts | ally_xoxooox: "exit" |
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| 23:56:51 | ally_xoxooox | :P i knew that |
| 23:57:11 | ally_xoxooox | i had rockbox working on my 30gb ipod video no problem |
| 23:57:22 | ally_xoxooox | i dont know why im having a problem with my nano |
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| 23:57:36 | Shnaw | anyway, it sounds scrambled, not like a "click" i want to replace it with an annoying beeping sound, becaus ei love annoying beeping sounds |
| 23:57:57 | gevaerts | ally_xoxooox: does sudo ./ipodpatcher −−scan work now ? |
| 23:58:17 | DerPapst | at least does ipodpatcher say anything? |
| 23:58:23 | ally_xoxooox | no i get an error with the syntex |
| 23:58:33 | ally_xoxooox | sudo ./ipodpatcher −−scan |
| 23:58:34 | ally_xoxooox | ./ipodpatcher: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 23:58:56 | ally_xoxooox | hmm |
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| 23:58:59 | * | DerPapst never heard of that one... |
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