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#rockbox log for 2008-02-19

00:00:00ally_xoxoooxlinux - ubuntu os, running a Hp with Pen III :)
00:00:27pixelmaShnaw: there is a section about the system options, unfortunately the "keyclick" feature isn't described in there yet
00:00:28ally_xoxoooxi gave it a nick name, "the brick" cause its old :)
00:00:32DerPapstally_xoxooox: then you got the wron ipodpatcher
00:00:36gevaertsThen the linux-ppc is definitely wrong. Try the linux32x86 one
00:00:42ally_xoxoooxi knew it! haha
00:00:47DerPapstally_xoxooox: get
00:01:01ally_xoxoooxi was like "hmm 32x86 or ppc" i saw the pcc and thought "oh PC"
00:01:06Shnawso, everyone has already come to the conclusion that the keyclick is garb?
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00:01:34ally_xoxoooxppc = pocket pc?
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00:01:51gevaertsally_xoxooox: powerpc. The cpu in older (but not oldest) macs
00:02:00stripwaxShnaw - yes. "may cause nasty noises on the ipod video like it does on the sansa".
00:02:09pixelmaShnaw: I think stripwax misunderstood
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00:02:18stripwaxI did?
00:02:19soundavinciAgain a small stupid question, I installed now the daily build, but I'm not able to keep the backlight on IPOD 60GB
00:02:23ally_xoxoooxargh, that link shows up as binary its all giberish, one sec guys
00:02:34Shnawhm, any chance of me being able to replace or edit this?
00:02:34BigBambiright click, save as
00:02:51pixelmaif I understand correctly, Shnaw _wants_ a beeping noise
00:03:26stripwaxpixelma - and I think the problem with the keyclick implementation is that it tries to generate a beep and comes out with crap?
00:03:28Shnawif i knew where the original file was stored i might have a chance at fixing it,
00:03:36DerPapstor use that link:
00:03:42ally_xoxoooxyah i got it now
00:03:42Shnawyou both are right
00:03:43DerPapstally_xoxooox: ^
00:03:47Shnawit gives me crap, i want a beep
00:03:47ally_xoxoooxi had to restart x
00:03:51rasherShnaw: there is no such file
00:04:02stripwaxShnaw - the 'beep' (or even 'click') is not stored as a file, as such
00:04:18pixelmastripwax: I thought the problem was that it sometimes caused a nasty beeeeep on portalplayer devices?
00:04:25DerPapstally_xoxooox: overwrite the old one and do "sudo chmod +x ./ipodpatcher
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00:05:04ally_xoxooox[INFO] Ipod found - 1st Generation Nano ("macpod") - /dev/sda
00:05:12ally_xoxoooxactually, i thought it was "sda3"
00:05:23ally_xoxoooxat least last night it was
00:05:24DerPapstcool :-D
00:05:27stripwaxdoes the sansa have a piezo?
00:05:29Shnawso where exactly is this sound that resembles a cat in a microwave being called from?
00:05:34gevaertsally_xoxooox: sda3 is the data partition. sda is the entire disk
00:05:41ally_xoxoooxoh ic
00:05:49pixelmastripwax: don't think so
00:05:49stripwaxShnaw - take a look at the patch, on that link that I posted above
00:05:50DerPapstally_xoxooox: wait a sec...
00:06:06stripwax(said patch is now in svn of course)
00:06:12ally_xoxoooxthis is what i did last night when i got the error DerPapst and gevaerts
00:06:37ally_xoxoooxdd if=mbr-nano2gb.bin of=/dev/sda3
00:06:41pixelmastripwax: the keyclick sounds exactly the same on my M5 as on my c200
00:06:51ally_xoxoooxthen i disconnected it, and plugged it back in
00:06:59DerPapstally_xoxooox: do the following: "sudo ./ipodpatcher -c
00:07:04ally_xoxoooxand rbulitq didnt recognize the mount
00:07:08ally_xoxoooxok DerPapst
00:07:11Shnawwell, it may just be a problem with the "e" series
00:07:26DerPapstally_xoxooox: of course it didn't :-P but that's another topic ;-)
00:07:27Shnawhighly possible since its a totally different build than the "c" series
00:07:37ally_xoxoooxok formated to FAT32 successfully
00:07:49ally_xoxooox:) very nice
00:07:53Shnawedw, fat32 with its allocation tables and such
00:07:57DerPapstnow do: "sudo ./ipodpatcher -i"
00:07:58gevaertsally_xoxooox: better let someone else verify, but I would guess that should have been 'dd if=mbr-nano2gb.bin of=/dev/sda'. Anyway it's not important now
00:08:19ally_xoxoooxyeah gevaerts someone actually said to also do "sda2"
00:08:30ally_xoxoooxbecause i have a Mac and he thought it was sda2
00:08:32DerPapstgevaerts: correct.
00:08:36ally_xoxoooxit was just confusing haha
00:08:44pixelmaShnaw: nope, and I think it's sounds as it is supposed to - I mean it's called "keyclick" not "keybeep" ;)
00:09:01DerPapstgregzx: sorry for the highlight :-P
00:09:03*gevaerts has never actually seen an ipod up close
00:09:06Shnawbut its not a click, it should be aptly names, "keygrind"
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00:09:23gregzxDerPapst: its ok dude :)
00:09:37DerPapstgevaerts: but you know how to dd mbrs ;-)
00:09:49gevaertsDerPapst: gregzx gets used to it. Yesterday it was me.
00:09:53ally_xoxoooxhey DerPast: when i run Rockbox Utility it doesnt find the proper mount.. any ideas?
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00:10:23DerPapstally_xoxooox: did you do "sudo ./ipodpatcher -i" already?
00:10:34Shnawthat gives me an idea, any way to rename menu options, i would guess the names would be stored in a .cfg file am i correct?
00:11:22DerPapstally_xoxooox: mkay. can you extract to your ipod?
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00:11:36ally_xoxoooxlet me try
00:11:40ally_xoxoooxjust drag/drop it?
00:11:41gevaertsDerPapst: does ipodpatcher force the kernel to reload the partition table ? Maybe it needs to be unplugged
00:11:55DerPapstally_xoxooox: so that there is a .rockbox directory in your iPods root.
00:12:15DerPapstgevaerts: good question. i don't know.
00:12:21DerPapstally_xoxooox: wait a sec.
00:12:53ally_xoxoooxit says permission denied when i try to extract it
00:13:13DerPapstally_xoxooox: run: "sfdisk -R /dev/sda"
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00:15:04DerPapstmmhhh... probably root is the only user allowed to write to the ipod now. i don't know how to mount it so that other users are able to write.
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00:15:54gevaertsally_xoxooox: try unplugging the ipod, plugging it back in, and then running rbutil
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00:16:19DerPapstshouldn't sfdisk -R /dev/sda do the trieck?
00:16:25DerPapst*trick even
00:16:40gevaertsDerPapst: I'm hoping for some automounter to do some more tricks
00:16:51DerPapstah, ok
00:17:55cdiddythanks for the help on the videostuff. looks like me e200 hardware is just messed up
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00:19:30ally_xoxoooxdarn it
00:19:32NookHmm, is mozhoven about?
00:19:44ally_xoxoooxDerPapst: says "Wrong mount point" when i try to run Rockbox Utility
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00:20:28ally_xoxoooxmy ipod :(
00:20:31scorche|wNook: a person with that name has never been in this channel
00:21:28gevaertsally_xoxooox: is the ipod mounted somewhere ? i.e. can you put files on it now ?
00:21:29ally_xoxoooxDerPapst when i plugged back in my ipod
00:21:36ally_xoxoooxit didnt read "allys ipod"
00:21:39ally_xoxoooxit now reads "disk"
00:22:06DerPapstthat was lost during conversion.
00:22:33DerPapstally_xoxooox: do you remeber if ipodpatcher told you that the bootloader installation was successful?
00:22:42ally_xoxoooxok i was able to extract to my ipod
00:22:48DerPapstcool :-)
00:23:01DerPapstso there is a ".rockbox" dir on your ipod right now?
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00:25:18ally_xoxoooxyes! finally working
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00:26:33ally_xoxoooxit did
00:26:41ally_xoxoooxwell DerPapst i ran Rockbox Utility
00:26:46ally_xoxoooxit is installing now
00:27:59DerPapstnice :-)
00:28:05ally_xoxoooxhope i remmber how to run it on!
00:28:08midkayoh Bagder, wake up!
00:28:10ally_xoxoooxis it menu, select?
00:28:16*petur gives up on the CF soft_reset freeze... for now :/
00:28:48*gevaerts encourages petur to continue. Still lots of hours to go before work starts
00:29:35*petur got NMI from wife ;)
00:29:40*DerPapst thinks ipodpatcher's -c switch should be documented on the IpodConversionToFAT32 wiki. But DerPapst isn't volunteering to add it. He's busy enough with iPodLinux' wiki.
00:29:45ally_xoxoooxhey DerPapst: what theme do you use?
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00:30:11DerPapstsome modiefied version of... umm.. can't remember :-P
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00:31:45DerPapsti've renamed it too.
00:32:13DerPapstthe backdrop is some grass and such. not sure if it exists for nanos too.
00:32:44ally_xoxoooxwow my inernet lagged :(
00:33:03ally_xoxoooxDerPapst to turn off rockbox is it "menu - select" ?
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00:34:04scorche|wno...that is to reset the ipod
00:34:29n1sally_xoxooox: maybe try taking a look at the manual?
00:34:38ally_xoxoooxlooking right now
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00:37:06DerPapstally_xoxooox: you should get the pdf version of the manual for offline reading.
00:37:56DerPapstthere're some pretty neat wps'es for the nano....
00:39:26ally_xoxoooxwhat are those
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00:41:11gevaertsally_xoxooox: "while playing screen". Although as far as I know it often also refers to te entire theme
00:41:53ally_xoxoooxi did a full install with lots of theems :)
00:41:57ally_xoxoooxsome neat ones i think
00:42:37*gevaerts still prefers the default theme
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00:44:23DerPapstheh... you wouldn't on e.g. an ipod video (or any other dap with a huuuge screen compared to the c200 series)
00:45:19gevaertsMaybe not, but on the other hand I my laptop has these 1400x1050 xterms...
00:45:51scorche| one should need more than 80 columns =P
00:46:35gevaertsI don't _need_ more, but I won't refuse them either
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00:47:34*gevaerts would probably mainly use larger screens for more logf output
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00:48:04DerPapstmine has that neat resolution either :-)
00:48:51ally_xoxoooxwill ipod video wpa work for a nano or no?
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00:49:24DerPapstonly those for ipod nano work for the nano.
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00:49:45ally_xoxoooxnano doesnt have a lot :(
00:49:50ally_xoxoooxonly 1 theme i like
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00:52:27DerPapstnoooooo... he was wrong. the night is the best time for coding ;-)
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01:18:30rasherHow does the H10 build have a zero combined delta for the language-building changes?
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02:22:28major_worksWould putting USE_ROCKBOX_USB in both the makefile and in config-e200.h result in warnings on every line of my Cygwin run?
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02:46:29Shnawdoes anyone know why the sansa e200 does not have a "load to ram" option?
02:46:54JdGordonbecause it doesnt have dircache... and for some reason it is dependant on it
02:47:20Shnawthen why does the e200 manual for RB say it DOES have the option
02:47:34JdGordonbecause the manual is wrong
02:48:03Shnawhm, they encourage us to read a manual that contains such a large oversight
02:48:16JdGordonits really not a massive oversight
02:48:24JdGordonbut sure.. whatevr.
02:48:39krazykitShnaw, so submit a patch fixing the manual.
02:49:49Shnaw not really understanding what youre saying, what I interpret tyhat is, is take , and correct the errors in it, then submit the corrected file to rockbox?
02:50:17krazykitShnaw, no, download the source, fix the Tex source files, and submit a patch like that
02:50:35Shnawi dont understand how youre supposed to "patch" a web page
02:51:03Shnawthe easies tthing to do would be save the source, fix the errors in an html editor, and submit and submit the fixed page back to them
02:51:45krazykitShnaw, no, because the web pages are generated from Tex files (which are also used for the PDF manual)
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02:53:13Shnawwell considering i dont know how to edit those
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02:53:47krazykitShnaw, then file a bug report on the tracker
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02:57:24crzyboystersoap: Are you going to be putting the new Viewports testing builds up? >
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03:22:05kondorhey should a rockbox'd player automatically be recognized by windows?
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03:23:13countrymonkeyIf I wanted to make an archos player capable japanese lang file, what glyffs would I be restricted to?
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03:26:38advcomp2019kondor, what player do you have
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03:28:25Lloreancountrymonkey: The archos player has a character cell based display. You can't change fonts on it. You might be better off sticking to romaji.
03:28:59LloreanI'd think you could probably test in the simulator, though.
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03:37:11countrymonkeyBut then we run into the problem - could we get 1 file for the player and the other hiragana/katakana/kanji file for other units?
03:37:57countrymonkeyI would like to see if even hiragana was supported. Romagi is a foreigners' system.
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03:43:51Lloreancountrymonkey: I told you, try the sim if you must.
03:45:00countrymonkeythe viewer plugin will utilize the full charset?
03:45:27countrymonkeyI'll pick up one of rasher's sims.
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04:22:42Administratoranyone on that can help me?
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04:27:51advcomp2019slizer6893, you need to tell us what first
04:28:15slizer6893It seems that I installed rockbox awhile ago on my Toshiba F40, and now that I want to revert to my original firmware its impossible
04:28:19slizer6893I have tried everything
04:28:59slizer6893Its more about the bootloader loading and me not being able to revert back to an original firmware
04:30:47slizer6893Any tips, lol now I just get the error no system found on HDD
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04:34:15LloreanDid you back up the files the manual told you to, and restore it when you uninstalled?
04:34:33slizer6893I did, but not I am a little screwed since I had to reformat my personal HD which I stored them
04:34:37slizer6893and I forgot they were there
04:34:43slizer6893and now I am a little fileless
04:35:13LloreanAh, well you need a copy of them. Sorry, it's the only way.
04:35:21slizer6893any place i can get them? anywhere?
04:35:22LloreanYou'll probably need to find a Gigabeat Room disk or something
04:35:30slizer6893I have gigabeat room disk
04:35:41slizer6893but i can't figure out what files I can directly copy and what need to be installed
04:37:14slizer6893wow this is annoying I went to toshiba for help and they said send it in but I don't think I need to
04:37:28slizer6893and I feel as if they would say changing firmware breaks any warranty
04:37:36LloreanWell, if the warranty says it does, it does.
04:37:49LloreanThat's kinda how they work.
04:37:55LloreanBut, why are you removing Rockbox?
04:38:01LloreanWhat exactly does the original firmware do that you need back?
04:38:09slizer6893oh I am giving it to my cousin
04:38:23slizer6893and I figured I would start him with the original if he ever wants something new I could give him rockbox
04:38:40slizer6893I love rockbox but sometimes it has edges some people can't understand especially since he is 10
04:40:31slizer6893any tips
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04:41:47LloreanAs I said, dig up replacement copies of the files you lost.
04:41:52LloreanThere's really nothing else to say.
04:42:11LloreanWe're not so much concerned with the original firmware here, this is #Rockbox, and generally deals with problems people have with Rockbox.
04:42:37slizer6893can you help me get back to rockbox at least?
04:42:40slizer6893I am currently at nothing
04:42:48slizer6893it just says No system on HDD
04:43:14LloreanPlease try to typo complete sentences per line, as per the channel guidelines.
04:43:35slizer6893...sorry first time on IRC, forgot to read rules was in a bit of a hurry, my mistake
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04:44:44LloreanYou'll need to remove the disk, and turn the device on without a disk, to activate the emergency USB mode, then attach the disk and USB. I'm not sure the exact process, it may be documented in the wiki in the gigabeat section
04:45:46slizer6893its that original FWIMG01.Dat I need....
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04:51:02Lloreanslizer6893: "myn" is not a real word. Please respect the forum guidelines too.
04:51:22slizer6893...I can't use slang for time frame purposes?
04:51:26slizer6893My bad
04:52:25LloreanIf it takes you a long time to type a single extra letter, I'd practice typing
04:52:50LloreanWe have many blind users, and users who depend on machine assistance or translation. Typing words that won't appear in dictionaries will cause them difficulty using the forums.
04:55:42slizer6893I see, ok then.
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05:26:42bokuhai, whenever I try to boot Rockbox on my iPod video 80gb I get an error saying rockbox.ipod cannot be found, I am sure I installed it correctly and I looked on the disk and everything seems to be in the right place
05:30:36cool_walking_What is the full path to rockbox.ipod?
05:30:50bokuI used the install script for Linux and it didn't give me any errors, and I'm using FreeBSD 6.3(if that has anything to do with anything)
05:31:09bokuhold on, I will check
05:31:14scorche"the install script?"
05:31:20cool_walking_Which install script? I didn't think there was a script...
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05:31:37bokuthe one at
05:31:55bokuand then I extracted the zip there
05:32:08bokuer, to the root of the disk
05:33:10cool_walking_So you have a folder called .rockbox, and in that, rockbox.ipod?
05:34:05LloreanWhat do you mean by "the root of the disk"?
05:34:06Horschtboku, are you, by any chance using a mac formated ipod?
05:34:14bokuno, it is FAT32
05:34:40bokuI just got the disk in the mail about three days ago, and it came with the original firmware on it
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05:35:52cool_walking_And the OF was in working order?
05:36:03cool_walking_I'd probably try a restore.
05:36:26*Llorean notes his question wasn't answered.
05:36:51LloreanMany people seem to get confused about the term root, so I'd like you to verify what you personally mean by it.
05:37:15bokuoh sorry llorean!
05:37:41bokuthe root being the first directory on the disk
05:37:51bokulike, if I mounted it to /mnt/usb0 then that would be the root
05:38:08LloreanAlright, just making sure
05:38:34LloreanSome people create a folder called "root", or try to put it in the ipod control folder, assuming that by "root" we meant the "firmware folder" or something
05:38:59bokuoh alright
05:39:30LloreanBut yeah, if you're mounted at /mnt/usb0 then you should have /mnt/usb0/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod
05:40:40Horschtwas the HD formated using mkfs.vfat?
05:41:50bokuit was already formatted
05:42:14Horschthm... ok. Well, I am off now, gotta go to school.
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05:43:02bokuack I'll just come back later, I should be asleep now anyway
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06:12:48JdGordonanyone else having troubles compiling with svn?
06:12:56JdGordonmake[1]: *** No rule to make target `/home/jonno/rockbox/e200/max_language_size.h', needed by `/home/jonno/rockbox/e200/apps/filetypes.o'. Stop.
06:13:40JdGordonarg... make bin is broken
06:14:01scorchewell, "someone else" usually is but...
06:14:41*JdGordon fixes
06:14:49JdGordondev.cgi only does full make
06:15:26*JdGordon doesnt like the building all langs first
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06:25:14Davide-NYCQuestion: can anyone tell me if the ZIF connector on the motherboard of a 4G ipod is the same size as them ZIF connector on a toshiba 1.8" HD?
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06:31:39theninohey two questions, with rockbox can you play videos on an ipod nano, and if you can what format does the video have to be in?
06:33:20Lloreanthenino: See the PluginMpegplayer wiki page
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06:33:59countrymonkeyvideos are playable. They must be in mpg format
06:34:35Lloreancountrymonkey: Why did you call it romagi, when as far as all of my research shows it's romaji?
06:34:48scorchempeg1 or 2....there are other "mpg formats" that mpegplayer will not play
06:36:16*Davide-NYC really hoping to find a ZIF-40 to 50-Pin ribbon cable some day soon.
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06:36:38countrymonkeyI have called it romagi for a while now. But I see your point; if you think of it in japanese, it would be "(stressed)ro ma jee)
06:37:02rockyboxwhen I am in the main menu in rockbox is there a way to show the battery meter?
06:37:04theninoWhere does the video file need to be so it can be played?
06:37:14Lloreancountrymonkey: Just because *you* have called it something, doesn't make it the "proper" name.
06:37:15rockyboxit was there this morning and now it is gone
06:37:26JdGordonromaji is english words spelt in japanese letters isnt it?
06:37:26Lloreanrockybox: Change the status bar option, as per the manual.
06:37:32LloreanJdGordon: Yes.
06:37:40Lloreansorry, misread
06:37:47LloreanJapanese words spelled in the roman alphabet.
06:37:49scorcheother way around
06:38:01Lloreanthenino: Anywhere, as per the manual
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06:39:05countrymonkeyyes. They have a slightly different way (example: an ee has in tree is written i as in ki which is pronounced kee)
06:39:44rockyboxLlorean where in the manual can I find the status bar
06:39:49rockybox*information about it
06:39:53Lloreanrockybox: I dunno. Just search it.
06:40:45countrymonkeyrockybox: interesting nic! *wonders where it came from*
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06:40:56theninowhats the encode video thing mean? do i need to do that if i have the right file format?
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06:41:30countrymonkeybut you need to scale it
06:41:49scorcheso, yes you do unless it is already the correct resolution for your device
06:42:42countrymonkeyhe said encode. You don't need to encode it if it's the correct format. You do need to scale it if it isn't the correct resolution.
06:44:00Lloreancountrymonkey: And you can't scale it without decoding it, scaling the output, and re-encoding it
06:44:03LloreanThus, you have to encode.
06:44:47countrymonkeywhen it boils down to that, you do, yes.
06:45:20scorchewhat else would it boil down to?
06:45:21LloreanThen why did you say "no" one someone said you did?
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06:46:17countrymonkeyI'm half asleep. I am suffering from jetlag. (in japan, from us)
06:46:22LloreanThen don't speak.
06:46:31LloreanSeriously, you can't help anyone by getting things wrong because you're tired.
06:47:05countrymonkeyI'm outa here.
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06:57:54theninoWhy is the video only half on the screen?
06:59:37at0m|cthenino, is it in the same resolution as the screen?
06:59:52theninoi dont know
07:00:01theninohow do i change it so it is?
07:00:29theninowait, can i do it buy changing the dimensions of the video?
07:00:47at0m|cthenino, rockbox' mplayer doesn't resize afaik. slow cpu eh
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07:01:55scorchempegplayer...wouldnt want to get the wrong idea
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07:14:15amiconnBagder, markun: The 'newplayers' (those with the newer LCD type - that's the majority of all archos Players) support halfwidth katakana. So these players could support a japanese .lng file, but it would need to be specially adjusted to use halfwidth katakana for the player.
07:15:26amiconnI.e. <dest> / (other targets): (kanji string(s)) / player: (hw_katakana string) / </dest>
07:15:36Bagder"I just care about our Japanese lang file, not any theoretical future use..."
07:16:24amiconnI am a bit curious how that would look like - I don't think there would be many users
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07:17:15BagderI doubt it would get a single user
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07:24:02JdGordonhey Bagder, I wasnt sure if I should make tools depend on langs so I did that commit how it is.. that ok?
07:24:15JdGordonand it looks like the langs cant be done in parallel?
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07:38:09*amiconn thinks JdGordon means bin, not tools
07:38:26JdGordonno... i mean tools
07:38:31JdGordonthe coomit fixed it for bin
07:38:44JdGordonbut it probably means make codecs and make rocks will fail
07:39:23amiconnWell, I slightly misread your question
07:40:21JdGordonhmm... yeah, I could have made that a bit more intelligable :p
07:40:26amiconnImho making tools depend on langs would be slightly odd
07:41:12amiconnNot sure, but I don't think rocks or codecs would break if the langs aren't there
07:41:15amiconnWorth a test
07:42:02JdGordonyeah, making tool depend on langs didnt sound right to me either
07:42:50JdGordonhas anyone checked how often the langs are rebuilt? if they start getting annoying can a way to skip all but english be added?
07:43:13amiconnWe need *all* languages made before the core now
07:43:37amiconnThey're needed to figure out the language buffer size
07:43:58JdGordonno *we* dont.... the build table does.... *I* dont need any but english and its irritating waiting longer than nescacery for the build to get finished
07:44:48JdGordonsame reason as make bin was added... just to speed up our test builds
07:45:05JdGordon... I dont know how often they are going to be rebuilt so i dont know if its needed or not yet
07:45:41amiconnI would expect them to be rebuilt only if the respective .lang gets changed
07:46:20JdGordonthats wrong though...
07:46:35JdGordonthey need to be rebuilt when any of the feautre set gets changed
07:47:09amiconnAh, yes, that too
07:47:30amiconnBtw, 'make rocks' in a fresh build dir breaks, but not because of the missing languages
07:47:55amiconnoldmenuapi.c (in the plugin lib) needs sysfont.h for some reason
07:50:09JdGordonsysfont.h means something else is missing usualy doesnt it?
07:50:17amiconnThere are a few more dependency quirks, like 'make rocks' building the core bitmaps
07:50:38cool_walking_I got sysfont.h errors from bitmaps not converting properly, I think.
07:50:52*amiconn is calling for a Makefile expert
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08:18:23mrkikoHi all!
08:18:35mrkikoI'm sorry for my unresponsivity these days - I' m prettily overloaded
08:19:04mrkikoNow ... I think I've found a problem but prior to post a bug report I would be happy to know if this is a desired behavour.
08:19:25mrkikoAt least with fading disabled for stop and pause, when I pause the audio the voice stops speaking.
08:19:48mrkikoWhen I unpause it, the voice says all it would have said when I made some actions with audio paused.
08:19:56GodEatermrkiko: desirable or othewise, it's known behaviour
08:20:04mrkikoI can reproduce this for sure on a iRiver H340 ;
08:20:10GodEatervoice is tightly coupled to playback at the moment
08:20:31mrkikoGodEater: but having this behaviour ...
08:20:45mrkikomay cause problem in my opinion to blind users, especially when you want to use bookmarks
08:20:50LinusNmrkiko: no, it is not desired, but that's unfortunately how the playback works currently
08:21:16LinusNwe intend to rework the playback so that voice can be played when the music is paused
08:21:25GodEaterat some point... :D
08:21:31mrkikoif you want just change something without stopping - resuming the playnback
08:21:42jhMikeSaliask: I just cut off the IRAM because it seems better to use for other purposes. It works and the bootloader uses it for executing the remapping stub. The serial driver hangs because writing to the TX fifo doesn't trigger the transfer. Forcing it by writing the XCH does work (along with IPG_CLK/32).
08:22:22mrkikoThen I have a relatively stupid question.
08:22:35mrkikoI remember that when I had my remoter controller
08:22:46aliaskjhMikeS: So there's some problem with the actual module - because it's configured to start a burst on txfifo write
08:22:49mrkikokeeping play pressed for a while I was able to access a non-voiced screen where I was able
08:22:53mrkikoto change the playback speed.
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08:23:21mrkikoIs there a way to access that screen without the remote controller? I can't do that pressing play (for long also) or keeping NAVI (select) pressed
08:23:26LinusNmrkiko: which player model?
08:23:36mrkikoH340, EU version
08:24:25jhMikeSaliask: I know it is but for some reason it's not doing as it says it should.
08:24:53JdGordonwhere is features.txt?
08:25:04mrkikothen, i noted that if I choose a bookmark while the player is playing another file (or the same),something unexpected (to me at least) happen. rockbox play for a short while from the point the bookmark specifies on, then it stops. With 'resume playbac', I have the song start from the beginning.
08:25:20mrkikobut this seems a normal thing...
08:25:29LinusNmrkiko: i think the pitch screen is part of the WPS context menu nowadays
08:26:02mrkikoLinusN: surely I can't find it in the menu appearing keeping navi pressed (the one from which for example you can give a rate to a song)
08:26:17jhMikeSaliask: there's also that matter of EPIT1 not actually firing an interrupt until a WFI is executed in sleep_core even though the timer is functioning.
08:26:24LinusNJdGordon: features.txt is generated, isn't it?
08:26:36LinusNmrkiko: hmmm
08:26:56mrkikoaniway guys: rockbox siply rocks, it works very good these days
08:27:11JdGordonna, found it it apps
08:27:20mrkikoIt is not crashing anymore on my player - I disabled the -cue sheet support - to obtain this.
08:27:28aliaskjhMikeS: Only EPIT1 or all EPITs?
08:27:29*JdGordon was expecting it in tools for some reason
08:29:10jhMikeSaliask: I never used any other EPITs. I can see it by splashing the current tick and timer count in a loop before any sleeps are executed. The timer counts but the tick doesn't. If you execute a sleep() just before the loop, the tick then counts.
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08:30:05mrkikoThen: why are we currently not saving the sleep timer? I red it in the manual but I can't imagine the reason for this.
08:30:21mrkikoI use it to prevent the player from going all night when I fall asleep :)
08:30:40aliaskjhMikeS: Odd behaviour - however I don't think I'm going to be much help, I really don't understand much of the ARM core
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08:31:55mrkikoI 've not said what I would like to: "why are we" = "why is rockbox..."
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08:36:06LinusNmrkiko: yeah, we could probably save the sleep timer setting
08:36:24jhMikeSaliask: It has alot of strange glitchyness
08:37:05aliaskjhMikeS: Do you think the OF bootloader could be getting some clocking things set up incorrectly (which are then fixed by the OF once it's booted)
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08:39:37jhMikeSaliask: Not sure though I did dump the clocking registers and what I checked looked allright.
08:39:50mrkikoLinusN: I was thinking there was some reason behind not saving this
08:40:04LinusNmrkiko: not really
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08:42:26amiconnLinusN: I have a question regarding GPIO 9 on iriver H1x0
08:42:33LinusNamiconn: i know.....
08:42:41amiconn says it's disk led control
08:42:41LinusNand i must say that i don't remember
08:43:11LinusNwhen i first traced the pcb, i traced that port pin to the LED driver transistor
08:43:22amiconnBut switching that to the opposite of what the init in svn does doesn't disable the led, neither on my H180 nor on FrankOtto's iriver
08:43:54LinusNi guess i have to trace it again
08:44:22amiconnDo you think there might be several hardware revisions, of which only the earlier ones have that switch?
08:45:28mrkikoLinusN: if I want to debug the iRiver H3xx OF (yes, I know I may not), should I disassemble and trace the execution with a debugger?
08:45:41mrkikoOr just avoid this? :)
08:46:14LinusNmrkiko: connecting a debugger is not for the faint of heart
08:46:38amiconnI have a somewhat related question as well - would it be possible to disable ISD300 power normally, and only enable it when an usb connection is detected, or does disabling the bridge make usb connections undetectable?
08:46:42mrkikofaint of heart -> I don't know this term
08:46:43LinusNit takes some tricky soldering and a coldfire bdm adapter
08:46:52mrkikoah ok
08:47:08LinusNbetter disassemble the firmware image
08:47:26mrkikoinfact I wanted to do it with my host
08:47:27amiconn(GPIO 6 on H1x0, GPIO 35 on H300)
08:48:15amiconnDoing that might extend rockbox runtime on irivers even further...
08:48:44*mrkiko thinks it would be VERY good
08:48:51LinusNamiconn: i don't remember if the usb detection makes use of the ISD300 or not
08:49:21LinusNso now i have 2 things to trace
08:50:59amiconnThe ISD reads its parameters from an i2c eeprom, right?
08:51:11LinusNyes, and we can change those if we want to
08:51:17amiconnOh, we can?
08:51:27LinusNyes, the i2c bus is connected
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08:52:09LinusNamiconn: check the schematics
08:52:17amiconnThe table on p.51 of the datasheet lists some typical currents.
08:52:31LinusNLink_of_Hyrule: we can hear you, just ask the question
08:52:52amiconnIt depends on whether usb wakeup is enabled. If not, standby current is only 20A, so neglectible, but with wakeup it's 2.7mA
08:53:08LinusNamiconn: i see
08:53:32LinusNLink_of_Hyrule: some versions of the sansa firmware doesn't have that option
08:53:46LinusNfor some reason
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08:54:57LinusNLink_of_Hyrule: C and assembler
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09:02:01LinusNnot sure, i don't have a sansa myself
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09:04:07mrkikoLink_of_Hyrule>: use of words as "omgf" is not allowed here. Please read guideliness...
09:04:31LinusNbesides, isn't it "omfg" ;-)
09:05:37mrkikoLink_of_Hyrule: for me there is no problem, but I don't like seeing people kicked out ...
09:10:45mrkikoI saw in the svn ... "Revert the espeak commit as the method was completely broken.":
09:10:54mrkikowhat are you doing regarding espeak now?
09:11:03mrkikoHave i lost something ?
09:11:19mrkikoReading the doc, I deduced
09:11:32mrkikoyou only added a method to create the voice file using espeak and not festival
09:11:34mrkikobut I may be wrong
09:12:01mrkikoLink_of_Hyrule: very very very strange
09:12:46LinusNmrkiko: that was an option for selecting which espeak voice to use, but it was broken
09:13:35scorcheLink_of_Hyrule: c200 is a general name that refers to the entire c200 line (c250, c260, c270, c280)
09:13:36mrkikoI was "dreaming" about run-time tts feature being added...
09:13:55LinusNmrkiko: would be cool
09:14:30mrkikoLinusN: but I think it would get our CPUs mad.
09:14:42LinusNmrkiko: not necessarily
09:15:09LinusNLink_of_Hyrule: "idk"? "lol"?
09:15:39LinusNLink_of_Hyrule: what if you download the update utility from their website?
09:17:17mrkikoLink_of_Hyrule: prefacing I don't have a sansa, have you tried the recovery mode?
09:17:32mrkikoIf I'm not wrong, here you can upload a modified version of the firmware image...
09:17:41LinusNLink_of_Hyrule: also make sure you have a V1 and not a V2
09:17:56mrkikoso, search for "audible" in some place
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09:22:20mrkikoLink_of_Hyrule: then, in my opinion, it would be better if you don't try to use rockbox on this player.
09:22:45mrkikoor you may end up being unable to use it
09:23:20mrkikoI'm very worried by the fact that many player on which rockbox runs are getting out of production - seel
09:23:51mrkikoLink_of_Hyrule: probably MP3 players are not relevant in many cases for a company
09:24:08mrkikoso that they may not spend much money - man-resources in developing software regarding them.
09:27:15GodEater that's a V1 then
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09:33:18mrkikoLink_of_Hyrule: stay tuned, bricking your player is very very easy...
09:33:41scorchemrkiko: no it isnt
09:33:49Bagderbricking a sansa is next to impossible
09:35:50*petur hands a hammer
09:38:16mrkiko... next to impossible becomes possible some times :)
09:40:26GodEateryes, when using a hammer
09:44:01LinusNyes you can
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09:51:36markunwhich wiki?
09:53:30LinusNthen you haven't installed it properly
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10:01:10peturLink_of_Hyrule: there are plenty of themes you can install
10:01:59peturI thought they were also in that automatic install thingy
10:02:32petursome are pre-installed...
10:04:34GodEaterpetur: there are very few themes for the c200 stored anywhere useful
10:04:47GodEaterscorche keeps threatening to finish the new themes site to address that
10:04:51GodEaterbut he has't done it yet
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10:07:46peturreading the manual helps
10:08:17GodEateryou're about to if you want any more help
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10:14:09GodEaterread the manual
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10:47:22magmaniacHello. Does somebody know at what battery level rockbox on the iriver H1x0 *should* shut down by itself?
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10:50:51markunmagmaniac: according to you should never go below 2.5 volt
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10:52:35pixelmamarkun: ?
10:53:03pixelmajust wonder about your answer...
10:53:19markunmaybe I didn't understand his question completely
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10:53:48magmaniacmarkun: that link gives general precautions for battery handling
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10:54:26markunmagmaniac: what are you asking exactly?
10:54:38peturmagmaniac: there is a table in the source somewhere that has the voltage to % conversion, it probably gives an idea of the range.
10:54:54peturdon't remember which file has that table
10:54:56pixelmaI think he asks about the shutdown voltage
10:54:57magmaniacMy question is: Rockbox continually measures the voltage, and at some battery level which is considered low, it forces the device to shut down. I want to know what that level is exactly
10:55:18peturpixelma: I thought it was in the same file
10:55:44peturas it contains two warning levels iirc
10:56:19magmaniacpetur: I saw that table, but then at what *percentage* is shutdown forced?
10:56:24markunpetur: I thought it was in firmware/powermgmt.c but I can't find it in there anymore
10:56:36peturmarkun: me too
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10:57:11pixelmapondlife: yes
10:57:18pondlife"00.06.41 # <pixelma> stripwax: the keyclick sounds exactly the same on my M5 as on my c200"
10:57:33pondlifeCan you explain more - do you get a beep, a click or a grind?
10:57:50peturmagmaniac: those first lines of that file say it all
10:58:10pondlifeI'd have expected a click on the M5 but a grind or beep on the C200...
10:58:21magmaniacAha, so shutdown should occur at 3020 mV.
10:58:23markunmagmaniac: battery_level_shutoff is set to 3020 milivolt
10:59:41magmaniacNow I wonder my in my battery benchmark with vanilla rockbox (and original HD inside), it shutdown at 3591 mV ...
11:01:02peturmagmaniac: battery getting old?
11:01:07magmaniacOr does battery benchmark maybe override rockbox's shutdown and force a shutdown earlier?
11:01:48magmaniacpetur: In the later CF benchmark, it went down to 3320 mV, and I shut it down myself (I felt unsafe about it).
11:01:51peturwhen the battery gets old, there is a sudden voltage drop and RB probably couldn't save the last measurements
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11:03:02pixelmapondlife: to me it sounded like a "click" (but a bit like the sound was clipping) and I just enabled it again on c200 and when leaving the system menu, I got the nasty beeeep (which only stopped on a button press)
11:03:03magmaniacpetur: ok, that might explain it
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11:03:20*petur sent a support request to A-Data - doesn't expext much of it but it won't hurt either
11:03:42magmaniacpetur: battery is the original one (3 years old), I guess it can be considered old :)
11:03:47amiconnThe last measurement(s) before the forced shutdown are never saved in battery_bench
11:04:09amiconnThat is since the forced shutdown because of low voltage suppresses any disk writes
11:04:10petursounds logical
11:04:15magmaniacamiconn: ah thanks
11:04:35magmaniacthen probably by shutting it down myself I got a few more lines in the CF benchmark
11:05:07djmutex|whi. sorry if this is off-topic, but i'm planning to buy a new hard disk player and i'd really appreciate feedback on what device you guys would recomment to run rockbox on. (i'd buy an ipod 160GB but the 6G is not supported, right?) if this is off-topic, please tell me to go away. thanks. :-)
11:05:33peturamiconn: I guess you don't have any ideas why soft_reset causes the freezing...
11:06:28magmaniacpetur: concerning freezes, I was wrong (once again). The build I used yesterday for my CF battery benchmark (which never froze) has frozen today at least three times, once even on first disk access. Meh.
11:06:52pixelmapondlife: it really almost sounds the same, except the beeping. When I compare directly it only seems like the M5 keyclick is a little bit more "clear".
11:07:33peturmagmaniac: did you also try without soft_reset? ie replace the #ifdef IPODNANO with #if 0
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11:07:57magmaniacpetur: was about to do that now :)
11:08:05pixelmamagmaniac: frozen as in "needs a paperclip"?
11:08:34magmaniacpetur: explain your freezes then
11:08:49peturwhen I say freezing, it stops responding for about 30 seconds
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11:08:59peturbut all disk reads fail
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11:09:17magmaniacI never waited that long... :-/
11:09:27peturit is always in wait_for_bsy
11:09:31amiconnpetur: Did you try those PIO0 timing (in case your calculations led to shorter ones)? The soft reset is required for waking up from sleep as per ata standard afaiu
11:09:34peturwhen doing a READ
11:09:36magmaniaclet's see if I can reproduce that...
11:09:52peturamiconn: the PIO0 timings didn't change a thing
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11:10:13peturamiconn: I even tried maximum values
11:10:27LinusNpetur: what is the issue?
11:10:45peturwithout soft_reset and using PIO4 timings works stable now
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11:10:52pixelmaI was just asking, because my unmodded M5 occasionally freezes for no apparent reason too (and then needs a hard reset) ... and I know that amiconn also experiences on his H180.
11:11:09peturLinusN: to get CF working, we also need to remove perform_soft_reset()
11:11:17LinusNah i see
11:11:33LinusNi haven't yet received my cf card
11:11:52peturand then there is the issue that causes the ata -80 error
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11:12:08LinusNpetur: which card is that?
11:12:12peturwhen trying to set powermanagement the card does an ABORT
11:12:25peturA-Data turbo 266x (8GB)
11:12:38magmaniacata -80 issue also on Transcend 133x (2GB)
11:12:54LinusNbut not on transcend 32GB, right?
11:13:02magmaniaccard spec says that the feature is supported
11:13:15magmaniacI don't have a 32GB one
11:13:25peturJeff has I think
11:13:39*magmaniac thinks so too
11:14:10LinusNso we have the same issue on two different brands?
11:14:16*magmaniac thinks that Jeff also reported ata -80 in the forums
11:14:30LinusNi have ordered a 32GB card
11:15:11magmaniacLinusN: transcend?
11:15:40magmaniacmost online shops here (germany) say "not available currently"
11:15:52magmaniaceven the online shop!
11:17:37peturhmmm 150 euro on ebay (from Germany!)
11:19:22magmaniacah, my player just froze... ok it does react again after some time, though I get a white screen instead of the Files view. I could naviagte the menu again afterwards and issue a shutdown, which then hung for some time.
11:19:51peturright, same as I saw
11:20:13peturwhich allows me to go into debug and look at the logf :)
11:20:58magmaniacpetur: what changes exactly make it stable for you? disable the soft_reset code, and something about PIO4 timings?
11:21:26peturmagmaniac: afaik, I only disabled soft_reset
11:21:37peturI reverted most other changes
11:21:43magmaniacok, will try
11:21:49peturstill littered with logf though
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11:22:17peturmagmaniac: replace the #ifdef IPODNANO with #if 0
11:23:16magmaniacFor the record: with CF the battery drains 14% slower than with HD.
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11:26:39peturkdevelop does it too
11:29:58peturLinusN: when this CF stuff is over, I'll have a look at why the svn bootloader doesn't like my h380...
11:30:24LinusNcould be related
11:30:45peturwell it doesn't give an error, it just hangs
11:31:20peturoh I see
11:31:29peturreset related
11:32:47magmaniacpetur: without soft reset, I still get the constantly-on LED. will rebuild with my hack for this issue.
11:33:22peturmaybe LinusN can help with that LED issue
11:34:49magmaniacLinusN: the reason why amiconn asked you about the GPIO pin for the disk LED on the iriver H1x0 was me...
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11:35:20LinusNmagmaniac: so the led is constantly on, but the card works fine otherwise?
11:35:59magmaniacLinusN: when my CF-modded H120 calls ide_power_enable(false) from ata_thread(), the disk LED comes on, and stays on, until I do another "real" disk access. Card works fine AFAICT.
11:36:46magmaniacAlso: the CF adapter has a LED too, which however stays off during this. For real disk accesses, they are in sync.
11:36:54LinusNsounds like the cf card draws power from somewhere else
11:37:15peturwas my thinking too
11:37:56magmaniaccould be the adapter too, this stuff from HK is too cheap...
11:39:28LinusNmagmaniac: this model?
11:39:57magmaniacExactly, yes
11:40:11LinusNi have that too, but no cf card...
11:40:19peturlooks like mine too (but got it elsewhere)
11:40:43magmaniacI think their build quality is varying, to put it mildly...
11:40:52peturI have three CF cards and all three gave ata -80, didn't check the freezing yet
11:41:42magmaniacLinusN: so far I'm the only one who has experienced this LED behaviour
11:42:09peturmy h320 doesn't have a led, remember ;)
11:42:40magmaniacpetur: right. But Davide-NYC didn't see it on his H120. Different card, though.
11:43:05LinusNwe'll see if i see it when i get my cf
11:44:14magmaniacmaybe I'll order another adapter from dealextreme, they ship free... and it's not even 4 euros.
11:49:47magmaniacLinusN: Eventually I also wanted to get the 32GB transcend card. The only other 32GB card I've seen is the A-Data "speedy", which most people report is rather slow. With the 2GB transcend, I get ~12MB/s reading and ~6.5MB/s writing speed. Original disk is ~11MB/s reading and ~10MB/s writing.
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12:11:54webguest34hello!could you give me a permission to write a wiki page?
12:12:48webguest34John Mills
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12:15:43webguest34<petur> how should i add information to it?
12:20:20cool_walking_webguest34: to what?
12:21:30webguest34to the wiki page
12:21:55cool_walking_Click "edit" down the bottom of the page.
12:22:24webguest34i have ome information about the cpu and some fotos inside
12:23:51cool_walking_There probably should be a wiki page documenting wiki syntax, but I can't seem to find it, if it exists.
12:24:51pixelmathere is a link to it at the bottom, once you enter "edit" mode IIRC
12:27:09cool_walking_Yes, indeed.
12:27:15webguest34oh no i cant find it.......where should i click could you tell me step by step?
12:27:24cool_walking_I'd think it should also be in the Documentation Index - that's where I was looking.
12:28:08cool_walking_Can't find which? The "edit" link or the syntax link?
12:28:41cool_walking_In edit mode, click "More formatting help for the syntax page.
12:28:59cool_walking_"More formatting help"
12:31:20webguest34where should i enter the edit mode?on the bottom of what page?
12:31:39cool_walking_On the page you want to edit.
12:32:05cool_walking_If you want to create a new one, enter the name in the search box up the top.
12:32:30cool_walking_It'll say "can't find this page, do you want to create it" or something.
12:38:07webguest34i cant find everthing. when i am at where should i go and what should i click?
12:38:56LinusNwebguest34: you should probably put that information to a separate page
12:39:42LinusNwhat player are you reverse engineering?
12:40:02webguest34what separate page?how should i do this? meizu m6 miniplayer
12:40:07LinusNhang on
12:40:51LinusNyou see the field called "Go" in the upper right corner?
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12:41:53LinusNin there, type MeizuM6Port
12:42:10LinusN(the name of the new page you want to create)
12:42:13webguest34i cliked
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12:42:35SSnakegood morning
12:42:36LinusNit will now say that the page doesn't exist
12:43:03webguest34here it is i think
12:43:35LinusNgood, you can now save it
12:44:12LinusNnow you can go to the JohnMills page again and edit it
12:45:03LinusNmark and cut the text you want to move into the clipboard (ctrl-x)
12:45:45LinusNsave the JohnMills topic and edit the MeizuM6Port topic again, and paste the text there (ctrl-v)
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12:47:38webguest34 i modifed it but how should i add images?
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12:47:52LinusNyou attach them
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12:49:26webguest34thanks i ll try
12:49:46LinusNhave fun
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12:55:09pianoplayer88keyHi all. I'm thinking about getting a DAP. Does it take a while to port rockbox to various platforms (e.g. Archos, iPod, iRiver, Creative, etc)? I noticed that none of the players it supports are currently manufactured.
12:55:41pianoplayer88key(and the few players I'm thinking of getting don't support RB, & the site says nothing about supporting them (or implies it doesn't).
12:55:43LinusNpianoplayer88key: yes it often takes a while
12:55:45GodEaterpianoplayer88key: it generally takes about a year...
12:56:01pianoplayer88keyOk so that's why the ipod touch / ipod classic aren't supported yet.
12:56:04GodEaterpianoplayer88key: and that's if everything goes really well
12:56:18GodEaterpianoplayer88key: no-one is working on a port to those as far as we know
12:56:18LinusNpianoplayer88key: don't hold your breath for the newest ipod models
12:56:26cool_walking_The iPod Classic/Touch have additional roadblocks.
12:56:30pianoplayer88key(not that I was thinking of getting one of those anyway... in fact if it weren't for RB I wouldn't even consider getting an ipod of any generation)
12:57:10pianoplayer88keybtw the players I'm eyeing (getting for myself, not that RB is being or will be ported) are the Archos 504 or the Vosonic VP8360 (also known as Wolverine ESP)
12:57:39pianoplayer88keydoes it help at all (for RB ports) if the player has open-source software/firmware? or does it not matter?
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12:58:56LinusNit may help
12:59:09pianoplayer88keybtw I'm looking on the table of supported products (the buyer's guide) and unfortunately none of them are currently in production, which would limit/eliminate the chances of me being able to sample one in a store to check out its interface.
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12:59:37LinusNwhy would you check out the interface if you intend to run rockbox?
13:00:06cool_walking_You can pretty much imagine what the physical buttons are going to be like to use.
13:00:25pianoplayer88keyheh lol
13:00:50pianoplayer88keyand I was just thinking one of the ways I'd want to test it would make the store manager very upset. (basically, see if it's built like a tank)
13:01:28cool_walking_I don't think he'd be upset, he'd have just made a sale when you break it.
13:01:46pianoplayer88keyone of the players I'm looking at getting is the Archos 504, and it has some open-source components. (Is that one more difficult for some other reason, or is no one just doing it?)
13:01:50pianoplayer88keyuh huh.
13:02:34LinusNrockbox on the 504 would seem quite boring
13:02:44pianoplayer88keyanother reason is because it has a user-replaceable hard drive (so long as you don't use too new of an Archos firmware... I would think RB would help fix this :P)
13:02:48pianoplayer88keyoh so that's why
13:02:51LinusNsince rockbox is an audio player firmware
13:03:22SSnakepianoplayer you could just look for an old iriver h300 series on ebay to record your performances :>
13:03:44pianoplayer88keyand one of the first players I had (on which I'd want to try RB - IRiver ifp-899) looks like it'll probably never get done in time for me to try it, seeing as it's already dying.
13:04:06SSnakei really reccommend it (apart from the internal disk noise)
13:04:13pianoplayer88key? snake? (btw for recording I'll be getting a Zoom H2 (or maybe H4), so recording, while it'll be nice, would be an afterthought)
13:05:03SSnakehoestly the first reason i installed rockbox is recording my piano performance in CD quality
13:05:49SSnakeand if u want some audio recorder capable of wave recording you have to spend more than 300 bucks
13:06:52pianoplayer88keyso which RB'able players would you say are good ones, with a user-replaceable hard drive and built tough? ipod 5th gen (except it uses a 1.8" HDD instead of a 2.5" or 3.5" like I would prefer)? Cowon? iriver?
13:06:58SSnakei can't understand wht commercial voice recorder are not capable of not recording wavs
13:07:08pianoplayer88keybtw I've seen H2s and H4s under $300.
13:07:19pianoplayer88keyand they can record WAV onto SD cards.
13:07:45pianoplayer88keyi just haven't bought one yet. :P
13:08:09SSnakemmmm has it linein?
13:08:27pianoplayer88keyhas good built-in mics, and the H4 has XLR ports
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13:09:03pianoplayer88key(note: good from what I've heard other ppl say, haven't tried it myself, but I'm sure it'll beat my iriver ifp-899 + pogo (the company - pogo products / pogo electronics) ext mic combo
13:09:08BigBambiChaps - stay on topic please
13:09:37BigBambipianoplayer88key: All rockbox targets that are hard dish use 1.8" drives except the old Archos units
13:09:45pianoplayer88keybut i don't know if RBuld be played on it.
13:10:25pianoplayer88keylol that didn't make sense and I don't remember what I was typing.. somehow my window changed focus :P
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13:13:12pianoplayer88keyhmm... so I guess there isn't yet a RB'able player that does what I want (and I mean the hardware). ipod might come close, though, if it weren't that the HDD might not be user-replaceable without breaking the unit, and I can't put a 750GB HD in it. :(
13:13:41BigBambipianoplayer88key: You cqn replace the hard drives fine
13:14:12BigBambiBut certainly the capacity isn't as big as desktop (or even 2.5" SATA) and you have to make sure you get the right type
13:14:38SSnakeah i just read the discussion about the prototype
13:15:30SSnakea sata/ide connection seems useless to me
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13:15:55BigBambiSSnake: For what?
13:16:08pianoplayer88keywhat protype? btw I have yet to see a portable DAP in which I could put one of these. :(
13:16:22SSnakein the forum some people are talking about building an official rocbox DAP
13:16:44SSnakebut i think we can save space and put only a SD slot
13:16:50pianoplayer88keyI might like to put a lot of losslessly compressed mid (720x480) to high-def (1080p) (or uncompressed) video on a player.
13:16:55BigBambipianoplayer88: That wouldn't be very portable would it
13:17:11BigBambiSSnake: That depends what you want
13:17:16pianoplayer88keybut I can fit my HDD enclosure in my pants pocket, with the 3.5" HD in it.
13:17:29BigBambiSSnale: For me SD isn't high enough capacity
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13:17:37SSnakethe only reason to put an hard disk is due to the ratio price/size
13:17:41BigBambipianoplayer88key: And the power supply?
13:17:50pianoplayer88keyumm.. no lol :P
13:17:58BigBambiSSnake: So you can get 160 GB flash can you?
13:18:23pianoplayer88keyalthough my 750GB SATA and the power supply for it could fit, probably. (I use a USB to eSATA adapter with its own power supply brick.
13:18:51BigBambipianoplayer88key: And the batteries you would need to power a 3.5" hard drive? Let's be sensible.
13:18:58pianoplayer88keySD's not high enough capacity for me either, especially considering hte price per GB
13:19:10SSnakeof course not now, but flash memory doesn't make noise (i mean when you record with disk spin), drain less power and has faster accesses
13:19:19pianoplayer88keyok maybe 2 2.5" HDDs set up as Raid 0 (is that striped?)
13:19:25BigBambiFor me, I want to carry more music
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13:19:54pianoplayer88keyor a portable DVD/Blu-Ray player that has a CD player form factor...
13:19:55BigBambiSSnake: It is all what is important for you - you cannot unilaterally decide
13:19:56SSnakeand last but not least : space
13:20:07BigBambiAgain, for you
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13:20:18SSnakeof course Bigbambi i can't and i don'
13:20:48BigBambiYou should at least be able to recognise then that a hard drive is not useless
13:20:54pianoplayer88keyfor me... (and I'm sure it doesn't exist yet)... I'd want something that's built like a tank, built to last, and can hold tens of thousands of uncompressed full-length high-def movies. :P
13:20:57BigBambiIt just isn't something you personally would want
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13:21:38SSnakewell yes i agree, i could have a better choice of words
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13:22:08pianoplayer88keyok snake where's this forum thread you're talking about? I'd like to take a look at it.
13:22:33BigBambiNew Ports forum
13:22:39BigBambiAnd there are wiki pages too
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13:24:02MongaIs progress still being made on the Gigabeat S?
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13:24:35BigBambiWith some trickery we can now boot rockbox, browse the menus, use plugins
13:24:50MongaWow, nice.
13:25:06aliaskAnd I'm currently using mine with a non-hanging SPI driver :)
13:25:19BigBambiNo music playback, power stuff, USB (which makes installing it or anything else a ball ache), etc.
13:25:40MongaHow did you install without USB?
13:25:42BigBambiBut jhMikeS, Nico_P, aliask and all are making sterling progress
13:26:06BigBambiMonga: Sorry, without rockbox USB and therefore UMS mode
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13:26:14BigBambiMTP is horrible for that
13:26:17MongaOh, k.
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13:26:45MongaShould kick the Ipod ass when it's all ready.
13:26:56pianoplayer88keyfor the RockBox player that would have HDD support, would the HD be user-replaceable? (I assume it'd be a 1.8" or 2.5" HDD)
13:26:59BigBambiIMO the other targets already do that
13:27:18BigBambipianoplayer88key: The hard drive is user replaceable in our current targets
13:28:20pianoplayer88keycool :D
13:28:29BigBambipianoplayer88key: And the 'rockbox player' is just a few people on the forums designing mainly
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13:28:50pianoplayer88key**** somehow I managed to disconnect myself in the middle of typing something :(
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13:29:27pianoplayer88keynow where was I....
13:29:55MongaStarting to regret not buying the S60..
13:30:08MongaDidn't really expect to be putting movies on it lol.
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13:30:30BigBambiMonga: The S60 OF (horrible as it is) plays films...
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13:31:00MongaYeah, but I thought i'd be only using it for music when first buying..
13:31:08pianoplayer88keyso when should we expect working Rockbox Player V1's? should I go ahead and buy something else to tide me over?
13:31:26BigBambi<BigBambi> pianoplayer88key: And the 'rockbox player' is just a few people on the forums designing mainly
13:31:36BigBambiIt isn't 'official' per se
13:31:49MongaYeah.. Was considering buying my friends Gigabeat F? I think..
13:31:53pianoplayer88keyor will it be something more like I buy the parts and built it myself (for example, I won't go to an Apple store / Fry's / etc, and buy one :P)
13:32:07BigBambiAnd it isn't like we are going to be selling them like a compant
13:32:20BigBambipianoplayer88key: Exactly
13:32:49pianoplayer88keyheh :P and what's the chance of it having a multi-touch interface like the ipod touch / iphone?
13:32:53BigBambiMonga, yeah, the F is nice too (but I prefer the S physically)
13:33:10BigBambipianoplayer88key: Everything is there in that thread
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13:33:24MongaWhat's Frys?
13:33:56MongaYeah, the S is hot.
13:34:17MongaMost annoying part about owning a non-ipod is everyone going "What type of Ipod is that"
13:34:37pianoplayer88keyan electronics store chain online, and with several retail locations in various cities. I have one about 20 minutes from me.
13:34:55MongaAre you Australian?
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13:35:13MongaWe're still waiting on the Iphone.. :P
13:35:17pianoplayer88keythe stores are huge - like probably 10 to 25 thousand square feet or so.
13:35:28BigBambiOn topic please
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13:35:37pianoplayer88keylol sorry
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13:36:35pianoplayer88keyanyway that RB player looks quite interesting. Seeing as I'm wanting to get a functioning player (whoever's firmware it uses) in the next week from a local store (or online), I think I'll have to just bookmark that forum thread and keep an eye on it. :P
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13:37:51pianoplayer88keyhey is there any way to port rockbox to a portable DVD player? or is it not possible? (I was looking at getting one, but the few models I considered, that look like portable CD players but with a built-in color screen, won't play MP3 files off DVD-Rs.)
13:38:16MongaI don't think so.
13:38:23pianoplayer88keyfigured. :(
13:38:56pianoplayer88keyI can understand not porting it to the ipod shuffle though.. unless... i wonder what you could do with rockbox on a shuffle... :P
13:39:13MongaLol... Play different song formats?
13:39:28MongaAre shuffles Drag/drop or Itunes orientated?
13:39:32BigBambiRockbox has a voice interface, so the lack of the screen isn't a massive hurdle
13:39:50aliaskGood luck porting
13:40:02Monga"Rockbox says: You are playing doom now, turn left at next wall."
13:40:18BigBambiThe problem with the shuffles are the first gen has a CPU with no free compiler, and the later ones are all encrypted with new unknown hardware (like the 2nd/3rd gen Nanos, Classic)
13:40:28LinusNaliask: there?
13:40:35aliaskLinusN: Yep
13:40:48pianoplayer88key"You are being shot from the rear. Do you want to turn around and shoot him?" (press play for yes) "Would you like to shoot him with the chaingun, the BFG, the rocket launcher, or your bare hands?"
13:40:53LinusNi think you should read up on the CONTRIBUTING guidlines
13:41:07BigBambipianoplayer88key: For the last time, on topic please
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13:41:33aliaskLinusN: I'm familiar with them, what am I missing in particular?
13:41:44LinusNmixed case identifiers
13:42:25aliaskIn which file? I have a feeling these might have been ptw419's work
13:43:08aliaskYep, that was him. I went through a lot of his code and cleaned it up but clearly I missed some.
13:43:13LinusNi see
13:43:35aliaskI think that serial.c is only used for debug output if you have a hardware hack to output RS232
13:44:11LinusNit is also used for remote controls
13:44:22LinusNon the archos and soon the ipod
13:44:38aliaskAh, sorry, i was referring to the gigabeat section of it.
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13:45:34aliaskShould I remove that code, or just clean it up?
13:45:50LinusNdon't remove it, just clean it
13:46:03*aliask adds that to his todo list
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13:53:44amiconnLinusN: What was the problem with PP502x serial?
13:54:14LinusNi haven't yet found out how to enable the interrupt
13:54:29LinusNbut polling works
13:54:38Nico_Paliask: I hear you have a working SPI driver :)
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13:56:59aliaskNico_P: Well, as far as I remembered it always worked, but I'm 100% sure it's stable for reading, and the backlight goes on and off so I assume writing works too
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13:57:10aliaskIt's not interrupt based though
14:01:57Nico_Paliask: what about the on/off button?
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14:03:55aliaskNico_P: Kind of, working on getting it working nicely. When the button is pressed you can see the interrupt register change (Interrupt status1 & (1<<3))
14:04:21aliaskBut it stays set (I guess we head into an ISR which clears the bit once it ack's it)
14:09:50MongaGoing to bed.
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14:19:48amiconnLinusN: I mean the problem that prevented it from working at all...
14:20:07LinusNlooks like there wasn't any problem at all
14:20:26LinusNas soon as i changed it to polling mode it just worked
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14:25:03amiconnThe interrupt masks for ser0 and ser1 are already defined in pp5020.h. So in order to enable interrupts, you would need to (1) add it to the dispatcher in system-pp502x.c, (2) enable the interrupt in the interrupt controller and perhaps (3) enable interrupt mode in the serial controller somewhere
14:25:33amiconnOh, and of course write the isr function that will be called by the dispatcher
14:26:05aliaskHrm, when building a clean SVN I'm getting all these linker errors -
14:26:37aliaskI seem to remember something about the cpu type definition in tools/configure, but that hasn't changed for the gigabeat recently
14:26:51amiconnBuilding for the beast?
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14:27:23amiconnDid you rebuild your environment? The arm crosscompiler needs the multilib patch
14:28:43aliaskI'll rebuild just to be sure. Can I use
14:28:50GodEaterthat'll do it
14:28:51LinusNamiconn: i have done all that
14:29:24LinusNbut the serial controller refuses to trigger an interrupt...
14:29:56LinusNi'll have to dig deeper
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14:42:33low_lightLinusN: there's some interrupt registers on the pp5020 that aren't documented that seem to be related to the serial controller - 0x60004140, 0x60004144, 0x60004148, 0x6000414c
14:43:01low_lightfor example, here's a bit from the mrobe100 interrupt handler:
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14:49:11LinusNlow_light: looks like they might be yet another set of interrupt control registers
14:51:08low_lightLinusN: the OF seems to set 0x60004144 & 0x600041c to zero initially, then later sets 0x600041c here:
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15:02:02LambdaCalculus37Morning, everyone!
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15:09:14auriumhi all!
15:11:21auriumsomebody know if exists a factory buiding players with Rockbox?
15:11:54GodEateraurium: no such thing exists as far as we know
15:12:36auriumand you listen about some factory interested on this?
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15:13:03peturafaik, AMS was interested
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15:13:17GodEateryou know of a factory that is interested aurium ?
15:13:45peturand then there was that guy in the forum...
15:13:55auriumif i have one i'll be interested
15:14:55auriumpetur, AMS -> ???
15:15:09GodEaterAustrian Micro Systems isn't it ?
15:15:11peturhahaha no
15:15:18LambdaCalculus37aurium: Wrong AMS.
15:15:25peturaustrian microsystems
15:15:52LambdaCalculus37Ah yes, that's the one.
15:16:13peturbut that would only have been for their demo stuff, not a real player I think
15:16:22auriumFolks, you know the ?
15:17:11auriumOn the web we find some OpenHardware projects
15:17:21LambdaCalculus37XScale-based, eh?
15:17:26*LambdaCalculus37 looks
15:17:36auriumBalloonBoard is the more interesting to me.
15:17:57peturhmmm xilinx spartan.... a bit too much for a DAP I think
15:18:30auriumBot i don't understand hardware very well and don have money to buy pieces and try.
15:19:02auriumI think you understand Hardware **very well**!
15:19:52auriumare you thinking on a OpenMP4Player ?
15:20:12GodEateraurium: there's a user in forums trying to start one
15:20:14LambdaCalculus37aurium: We have a few projects to build open hardware for Rockbox.
15:20:48LambdaCalculus37aurium: Read all about it:
15:21:03LambdaCalculus37This, too:
15:21:17LambdaCalculus37There are links to info all over those threads.
15:22:41LambdaCalculus37Read! Read and soak it all in! Knowledge, that is key! :)
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15:25:52crazy_busis rockbox still only able to emulate 48k spectrum files. And if so how do I know if which spectrum games will work and which won't
15:26:27LambdaCalculus37crazy_bus: Most games will tell you if they work on a 48K Spectrum or not.
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15:27:51crazy_busso I have to load one to find out?
15:28:31LambdaCalculus37crazy_bus: Do you know the World of Spectrum site?
15:28:52LambdaCalculus37They have a database of games with listing of which are 48K and which are 128K, and which work on both.
15:29:06crazy_busno, I'm checking it now. Thanks
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15:35:04crazy_busLambdaCalculus37: I found it and it should work. (Couldn't find it at first until I searched for its spanish name :) )
15:36:29LambdaCalculus37Okay. Bookmark the page; it'll come in handy when you want to check any games for 48K compatibility in ZXbox.
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15:37:12crazy_busthanks again, I only just found out about this feature because the manual had no reference to it. I'll try and write one for it soon
15:38:14LambdaCalculus37crazy_bus: Let me check the manual again.
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15:39:47pixelmaI think it's not in the manual but in the wiki
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15:39:53LambdaCalculus37You're right; there isn't even a section for ZXbox in the manual.
15:40:15*petur recently noticed the wav viewer is also missing...
15:40:39*petur waits for the 'then write it' comment
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15:40:48n1sthe write it :P
15:41:07pixelmapetur: you've implemeted it so your turn to write something about it :P
15:41:11crazy_busthe game loaded but none of the keys work. up/down/left/right select etc don't select anything
15:41:43LambdaCalculus37crazy_bus: Use these instructions for now:
15:42:28crazy_busLambdaCalculus37: that's what I'm trying to use. Only sansa players aren't listed their and pressing random buttons doesn't do anything
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15:43:15LambdaCalculus37crazy_bus: e200 or c200?
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15:44:05*LambdaCalculus37 has only used ZXbox on his iPod video
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15:45:04crazy_busthe number 4 option is flashing next to the word keyboard, but typing 4 on the virtual keyboard or pressing buttons won't start a game (this game)
15:46:54pixelmacrazy_bus: it's sometimes a bit tricky but the only way I found was playing with the "map keys to kempston", "predefined" and various "custom keymap" settings, all in the menu. Sometimes it needs an input of some letter through the vkeyboard and sometimes I couldn't figure it out too (from the maybe 10 I tried)
15:48:20pixelmaonce you figured it out and set it up as you like it, you should save a snapshot which you can load directly next time
15:49:36crazy_busis the screen warped to fit onto a e200 screen. I remember words being blocky, but not as much as this
15:49:43LambdaCalculus37I agree with pixelma. I've used "map keys to Kempston" and have been able to play that way.
15:54:35crazy_busthe vkeyboard only has letters on the top left of the screen. Where are the rest of the letters including the arrow keys?
15:57:56pixelmaIIRC the "arrow keys" were on some other keys on the spectrum keyboard, usable through a different mode
16:03:03crazy_busthanks pixelma. I found a ingame keyboard changer so I'm using that. Is there anyway to get bars on the screen. As the scaling has made the screen look awful
16:05:05pixelmaas far as I know, it only scales full-screen...
16:05:53amiconnOn displays which are larger than the original spectrum screen, the border is visible (e.g. ipod video)
16:08:36crazy_busI've set the keymap correctly but it's not working. 2w90z. On top of that entering the correct key in the vkeyboard only makes them move 30% of the time.
16:10:06crazy_busselecting map keys to kempston: no seems to have fixed the problem
16:10:50crazy_busamiconn: what about screens which are taller than they are wide like the e200. Is there anyway to get it to have bars instead of dropping vertical lines?
16:13:11amiconne200 has lower resolution that spectrum, even rotated
16:17:52crazy_busthanks everyone for all your help. I must sleep so I have to go
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16:36:49auriumHi all, i'm seen thi page:
16:37:34auriumThe color and the text (Yes, No) are wrong in some places.
16:37:54auriumwhat is wrong? the color or the text?
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16:39:51auriumI like TWiki. We use on our free technology cooperative:
16:39:55BigBambiaurium: An example? The colour isn't another way of saying yes or no, it indicates good or bad.
16:40:41auriumnow i understand!
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16:41:26BigBambiIf all the column were coloured green, it would be good :)
16:41:29auriumI try to register myself on the Rockbox TWiki, but i did not recive the confirm e-mail.
16:41:50*BigBambi notes the column with the most green :)
16:42:15auriumyeah... green is good! :-)
16:42:45auriumBigBambi, your TWiki instalation is not sending confirmatin e-mail
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16:43:25BigBambi1) It isn't my twiki installation 2) Lots of people have got the confirmation e-mail as they have managed to sign up
16:43:33auriumI'm a "wikiaholic". I can help to organize and beautify the Rockbox TWiki. :-)
16:44:23BigBambiSo either there is very new issue with the confirmation e-mails, or check your spam filters
16:44:50BigBambiThe wiki could certainly do with some re-organisation
16:46:11BigBambiI believe that wiki admin is the domain of our illustrious Swedes :)
16:47:10BigBambiSo if you are sure you haven't got the e-mail and it isn't just in a spam mailbox, or taking a little time to get through the system (as e-mails can be delayed), check with LinusN, Bagder or Zagor I think.
16:48:29auriumBigBambi, yes! That is on my spam box! (ow shit!) And, I'm a colaborator on :-)
16:48:57BigBambiYou now need someone to add you to the write access list (such as me)
16:49:04BigBambiWhat is your wiki name?
16:49:59BigBambiOK, done
16:50:03BigBambiEdit away
16:50:33auriumWho is the server admin? Will be really really cool if him install the new TWiki.
16:50:47BigBambi<BigBambi> I believe that wiki admin is the domain of our illustrious Swedes :)
16:50:56auriumAnd is very more easy to install the new.
16:51:02scorche|wZagor is the main one, but he isnt around at the moment
16:51:07BigBambiWhich means LinusN, Bagder and Zagor
16:52:06auriumOk... I will propose it on the e-mail list. :-)
16:52:26peturaurium: you're not the first one to come around and suggest another wiki server, and most probably the answer will again be no.
16:53:05auriumNo petur! :-)
16:53:12scorche|wwell, technically he isnt suggesting another one...more like a newer version it seems
16:53:20peturThere are no real issues with what we have and people like te do some real work iso changing things that work
16:53:26auriumI'm proposing the upgrade. And i can do it. :-)
16:53:37*petur shuts up
16:53:51BigBambiaurium: not without being the admin you can't
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16:54:06BigBambiAnd me thinks that is mighty unlikely :)
16:54:53auriumI understand... :-) If they want, i can help.
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17:17:39GodEater150 seconds is our benchmark for build servers ?
17:17:46GodEaterthat's really slow!
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17:31:06desowindoes anyone else experience rockbox logo hangs on e200?
17:32:37desowinit seems to hang always if I keep power button pressed for a longer while
17:33:11desowin(initial power button press done when player is shuted down)
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17:35:10desowinit triggers about 50% of tries
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17:38:37low_lightamiconn: do you know understand ADC_CLOCK_SRC for pp5020? On mrobe 100, OF sets it to 4, BL uses 2, and in Rockbox we use 3.
17:40:18auriumBigBambi, i send my help proposal to the TWiki admin guys.
17:40:27auriumThanks by the help! :-)
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17:43:29barrywardellah, k
17:43:37barrywardelloops, sorry. wrong window!
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17:48:20BagderGodEater: it is slow, but it's something to at least mention
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17:48:52GodEaterdno't most servers do it in under 40 ?
17:49:20Bagdercheck the sim builds for color targets
17:49:49Bagderwe see >200 at times
17:51:02GodEaterso we do
17:51:15*GodEater really needs to resurrect his PC at home and pitch in again
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18:06:38pixelmapondlife: just noticed something about the beep instead of the keyclick on my c200 - it's not beeping when voice menus is enabled but it will only play the click if it's finished talking, so some clicks are skipped... without voice it beeps occasionally, depending on the speed I scroll through the list more or less often
18:07:04pondlifeYep, voice and fades do kill it
18:07:15pondlifeSorry I disappeared earlier btw ;)
18:08:00JdGordonalso, i had to disable it because the beeeps were hapening very late, and i got the occasional squeeeel again
18:08:26pondlifeJdGordon: Which target? PP?
18:09:55*pondlife thinks he should go and buy a Sansa.
18:10:01pondlifeIf I can find a V1, of course
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18:12:05pixelmaso far it only beeps in the menus for me not in the file browser
18:12:45pondlifeIt's just poor timing in the PortalPlayer pcmbuf
18:13:02pondlifeOr, rather, inconsistent timing
18:17:48JdGordonyes sansa
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18:59:33BigBambiWell, battery life under rockbox on my E260 is considerably longer than the OF
19:00:07amiconnGodEater: Build times on build servers vary a lot, due to ccache and varying build distribution
19:00:35BigBambiRockbox got 16:28:47 and OF 14:08:41
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19:01:18amiconnIf a build server gets a build scheduled where not much changed _since it got this very build scheduled last time_, it will be fast. But if ccache hasn't much reusable stuff left, it will be slow
19:01:20BigBambiBoth with settings reset, rb with Cabbie v2 WPS, both with the same album on repeat, and with hold on therefore screen off
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19:02:24amiconnBtw, that's another reason to implement speculative parallel builds
19:02:39BigBambiAnd both were measured by plugging the headphone out into the H140 and recording it :)
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19:07:19amiconnHi Mr. USB ;)
19:08:21*gevaerts had an entire day at work without a working internet connection
19:08:51gevaertsHi amiconn
19:09:24*BigBambi is dead pleased with that
19:09:53BigBambi(not gevaerts not having t'interweb, but with Rockbox having better battery life than the Sansa OF)
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19:22:00jhMikeSgevearts: I see from the logs you were asking about something cache related?
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19:26:23EliTHello, I have a question about bookmarking in Rockbox. I have a sansa e200 series that I recently installed rockbox on. I seem to be unable to create a bookmark or retrieve a bookmark that was previously created.
19:27:30EliTI've gone into settings and turned all the bookmarking options on. Yet when I'm playing a song and try to add a bookmark by holding the middle button and then bookmarking, nothing seems to happen.
19:27:47EliTDoes anyone have any ideas of what I'm doing wrong?
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19:29:08dandin1Did you try adding a bookmark through the menu? I didn't even know rockbox had the OF-like feature of holding the big button
19:29:55dandin1actually, never mind "OF-like", that was for playlists.
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19:32:19EliTWhere would I go to add a bookmark through the menu, starting from the main menu?
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19:37:44EliTActually, I believe I just made a discovery. Bookmarks will never be created if you get to your music through the "Database" menu option −− they will only be created if you get to your music through the "Files" menu option.
19:38:46amiconnBookmarks don't work from the db
19:39:07amiconnThat should be mentioned in the manual. Not sure whether it is...
19:39:16EliTThat's good to know. I must have missed that in the manual. But what still doesn't appear to work is the bookmark starting the track at the right time. I want to bookmark a podcast. Then upon resuming play of that podcast, go to the point that I left off.
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19:39:36*amiconn constantly forgets that because he doesn't use the db
19:40:32EliTIf I go to the main Rockbox menu, then select "Recent Bookmarks", I see the bookmark that I just created. If I click on that bookmark, it re-starts the track from the beginning.
19:40:58EliTAm I misinterpreting what bookmarks are? Do they not bookmark the time in the track as well as the track?
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19:42:23amiconnBookmarks are supposed to store the exact position. What audio format are you using?
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19:46:34preglowi don't think all codecs do support seeking to the exact position
19:46:41preglowas in, sample-exact
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19:47:43speteyHi Rockboxers!
19:47:53speteyI'd like permission to do a brief edit of a Wiki page ...
19:47:57amiconnpreglow: Yeah, not sample exact, but at least +/- a few seconds
19:48:28Domonokyspetey: your wikiname ?
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19:49:10speteyI bricked my 5g iPod by writing over the MBR, and so I'd like to add a link for how to recover from such by putting the iPod into "disk mode"
19:49:19Domonokyspetey: promise not to spam ! .. you are now free to edit.. :-)
19:49:23speteyAnd a link to
19:49:41speteyFunny to be back on IRC - I haven't used it since like 1990.
19:50:51preglowyou'll find that things haven't evolved too much since then...
19:50:59Horschtso, what could be the cause of FS #8601?
19:51:42JdGordon|wrandom mutations in the space-time continuum?
19:51:55Horschtyes, but i tried deleting those, JdGordon
19:52:00Horschtno success
19:52:14Horschtalso renaming them to lowerspace didn't help either
19:52:19BigBambiHorscht: Looks like a classic case of a banana in the disk drive to me
19:52:20*amiconn wonders why JdGordon un-corrects his writing
19:52:34JdGordon|wit didnt look right :p
19:52:40BigBambiIt was :)
19:52:51HorschtBigBambi, i only use oranges to clean my drives
19:52:59Horschtso it can't be a banana causing it
19:53:06BigBambiHmmm, I'm out of ideas then
19:53:10JdGordon|wHorscht: attach your config.cfg to that patch... if Slasheri's commit didnt fix it soimething is odd and really needs tracing
19:53:33Horschthm... ok will do
19:54:12DomonokyHorscht: did you try reseting the rockbox settings ? (backup your config before)
19:54:28Horschtyes, i just tried it on a fresh build
19:54:47*JdGordon|w wonders if the wps is doing somethiung funny like reloading bmps?
19:54:53Horschtrenaming my old folder and putting a new one in it's place (no overwriting!)
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19:56:16speteyIncidentally folks, the partition table for writing over the MBR in iPod 5g didn't work for me (in converting the iPod to a vfat filesystem without a windows machine).
19:56:23speteyI'm not sure whom to notify about that.
19:56:39HorschtI am using a wps with AA. As said in the FS entry, the bug appeared with rev 16019, JdGordon|w
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19:57:21EliTBack to bookmarking −− Sorry, I was away for a second. I am trying to play an .mp3 file (might be vbr if that matters?). I am using rockbox v r16350-080218. Again, I can't resume to a specific time in a bookmark.
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19:58:45EliTWhen I selec the bookmark, the graphical display seems to indicate that I am halfway through the song, but then the display immediately jumps to the beginning and starts playing the podcast.
19:59:25JdGordon|wHorscht: are all the tags/filenames latin chars?
19:59:27amiconnSounds like yet another MoB-induced playback bug then :(
19:59:32JdGordon|wor a mix of all unicode?
20:00:07Horschthm.... they are "windows safe"
20:00:17Horschtso I assume they are latin
20:00:42EliTSorry, I'm not sure what MoB is.
20:00:46amiconnWindows supports unicode
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20:01:10EliT(or perhaps that question wasn't directed at me)
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20:01:17Horschtmeh. well a few contain äöü
20:01:31#>>"explain MoB" by amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn)
20:01:43Horschtbut in my tests i was using files/database entries that only contained a-z and numbers
20:01:53JdGordon|wok, so its not a fontcavche issue
20:02:03JdGordon|w16019 is a playback patch....
20:02:25JdGordon|wcould very well be MoB :( which means Nico_P is the man to talk to
20:02:29roxfano.o can we do that without chan notices?
20:02:36Horschtbut the issue appeared at that exact rev, JdGordon|w.
20:02:45gevaertsjhMikeS: yes. I was wondering if the data corruption we were seeing on USB write could be cache related (it repeated every 32 bytes). It seems to be gone from recent USB patches, so I assume some of my cached/uncached cleanups fixed it. There is still the issue with high-speed not working that might be memory related (it fails after 95 bytes+checksum), but that's speculation for now, as we really don't have a clue.
20:02:59Horscht16018 didn't suffer that issue, 16019 and following do
20:03:16JdGordon|wHorscht: yes.. and he did that commit... playback/Mob is mostly his baby :p
20:03:33Horschtah :)
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20:04:36Horschti thought you were refering to EliT with the MoB thing
20:04:59gevaertsjhMikeS: I just saw your FS note. I'll go through my code and see what I need to fix.
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20:06:50EliTAbout the bookmarking issue −− I'm new to rockbox. Should I file this as a bug in the bug tracking system or is it more likely my own issue?
20:06:54amiconngevaerts: Btw, the isd300 manual (hadrware usb-ata bridge chip used in several other rockbox targets) mentions that it has an 8KB buffer
20:07:24EliTAlso, is there a more known to be "stable" release of rockbox that I can try for a bit?
20:07:33amiconnAnd that bridge supports high speed, so somehow it must be possible to go with such a small buffer...
20:08:06Nico_Pamiconn: I'm here
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20:08:40toffe82if somebody needs a lcd for a gigabeat F :
20:09:11amiconnNico_P: Do you have an idea why bookmarks won't resume from where they are supposed to, but from the beginning instead? It used to work before MoB, and on hwcodec it still works
20:09:44amiconnHorscht also seems to experience a MoB induced issue...
20:10:08Nico_Pamiconn: I think it appeared later than MoB. it might be due to one of my "recent" changes though
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20:10:29HorschtNico_P had already commented on FS8601
20:10:47amiconnBtw, I need to do some more tests, but resume also seems to be broken if you're near the end of the last track of a playlist
20:10:54pixelmawouldn't surprise me if that was related to the skip 3rd track problem - because in these folders I can't listen to a single track and resume will also only resume at current or even next track start
20:11:01amiconn(not only the last few seconds, it's a bit more)
20:14:22Nico_Ppixelma: isn't the skip 3rd track related to the spinlock issues?
20:15:30Nico_PI haven't had much time to follow all of these issues lately... I do plan on fixing them though
20:15:43pixelmawho knows, it appeared after the spinlock commit but not sure if it's really the cause
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20:16:44Horschtmine appeared way before spinlock commit :þ
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20:20:46|sanchez|just wondered if anyone knew anything about the 3g nano?
20:21:14Horschtit plays music...
20:21:34|sanchez|im talking about rockbox on it
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20:22:15Domonokyno rockbox for 3gen nano..
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20:25:19bluebrothercheck the New Port forums.
20:25:29frawfrawi don't think my ipod color / rockbox shuts down properly. every morning the battery is totally flat.
20:25:56Nico_PHorscht: any idea when it appeared?
20:26:04frawfrawto shut down I hold the "play/pause" button and the ipod shuts down
20:26:16frawfrawbut then the battery is always dead the next day
20:26:21JdGordon|wbluebrother: I had another play with making the settings text generated by gcc and it might actually be usable... it will still need a bit of work ones gcc is done but that shouldnt be hard
20:26:56Nico_PHorscht: ah, seen the comment saying it was introduced by r16019.
20:27:06JdGordon|wgcc is being annoying and not evaluating some macros which sucks, but is probably fixable
20:28:08EliTfyi, I just tried the navigating to a bookmark and it didn't work in 2008-02-01's build, either (r16195). I'll go way back to last year and see if that helps.
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20:30:54gevaertsamiconn: It might be possible to do UMS with lower buffer size. Dedicated hardware can definitely do it, by starting disk i/o as data comes in or goes out. I think we might be able to do the same, but I have to do some mre studying/experimenting to be sure.
20:35:24preglowwhat, an usb device can't decide what buffer size to use?
20:35:35jhMikeSgevaerts: that was what you were asking about then? unwanted buffer overlapping would cause trouble no doubt.
20:36:28bluebrotherJdGordon|w: sorry, had no time looking into that the last couple of days.
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20:38:09Haeginis the Creative Zen Vision:M supported by rockbox or any open firmware yet?
20:38:43preglowwhy, you're in luck
20:39:03preglowtake a look there
20:39:08Haeginwhy thank you
20:39:20gevaertsjhMikeS: yes. Things are a lot clearer now. I still don't entirely understand what happened, because the USB packetsize was somehow involved, but this packet size might infulence DMA chunksize. I do know that the code handles caching a lot better now than a week ago though.
20:39:35preglowHaegin: nothing yet, but things are happening
20:39:37scorche|wHaegin: in other words, not yet, but it is being worked on
20:39:46LloreanAnd prospects are good.
20:39:58Haeginok, thanks
20:39:59LloreanThe most significant first roadblock has been surmounted
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20:40:19LambdaCalculus37And this may also add other Creative players to the mix in the future. ;)
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20:41:37rasherWasn't there a "status of developing ports" page in the wiki once?
20:41:45LambdaCalculus37I think so.
20:41:59rasherCan't seem to find it
20:42:25rasherAh, TargetStatus
20:42:50LambdaCalculus37Wasn't all the target info combined into that page?
20:43:04rasherMore or less
20:45:00Haeginthanks all of you
20:45:12gevaertspreglow: technically a usb device has to be able to buffer one packet. However, no general purpose controller that I know of is really designed to be used at that level (although it might be possible to do it). The issue we are having is that SCSI does not (really) allow you to choose your read/write transfer size (newer standards support it, but I doubt of operating systems do). My understanding of the controller in the portalplayer (and
20:45:31*gevaerts should consider typing shorter lines
20:45:43scorche|wnaw...long ones do nicely :)
20:46:02dionoeaIt just cropped the bit after "(and" off
20:46:05rashergevaerts: you got cut off at "(and"
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20:46:34gevaerts... imx31) chips was that it forced us to allocate whatever SCSI wants to use, but I think I was
20:46:34gevaerts+mistaken, and we can probably go as low as we want (limited to 512 bytes for HS, and 64 bytes for FS, but we probably ant to be a bit
20:46:35gevaerts+more generous than that)
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20:50:11jhMikeSuse the audio buffer and you have a huge data queue available
20:51:51gevaertsI now use 128kB. going down to 8 or 16 should be doable. What's the best read or write size from a disk i/o perspective, assuming that the next read or write will be sequential ?
20:53:56jhMikeSmultiples of sector size I think is best
20:55:28gevaertsIf it does PIO it probably doesn't matter much. I'll make it configurable (in the source, not for the user...)
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20:57:01jhMikeSI'm looking to use DMA modes if possible on S and frankly on whatever else can use it.
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20:58:30bokuhai, I have a question regarding the 30gb vs 60-80gb 5th generation iPods, I bought a 30gb and then upgraded to an 80gb, would I download the firmware for the 30gb or the 60-80gb?
20:59:02bokuoh no wonder it wasn't working then!
20:59:04BigBambiThe actual difference is memory size
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20:59:18ChuckNorrishey guys, i guess i have a very stupid question ;). i could get a Sansa e280 (V1) and i was reading up on Rockbox a bit today. The current feature status is that Rockbox doesn't support USB on this player. I realy think i missunderstand something, but how do i get any data on the player if it doesn't recognize a USB plug?
20:59:18Xsenderi have a qustion
20:59:27BigBambiXsender: Just ask
20:59:30Xsendercan i run it on sansa e260 ?
20:59:38amiconnFor most HDDs the transfer size should be at least 512 bytes, for the G5.5/80GB it should be at least 1KB. For flash players it's not clearly defined, as we rarely know the actual internal block size of the chips
20:59:38bokuit should be made clearer as to what exactly the difference between the two is
20:59:45BigBambiChuckNorris: Use the sansa firmware, rockbox can dual boot
20:59:50LloreanChuckNorris: You can reboot into the original firmware for USB transfer, or use a microSD
21:00:04ChuckNorrisic, thx
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21:00:43Xsenderu dont understand
21:00:46Xsendercan i run it ?
21:00:52Xsendercoz i have problems with this
21:00:55amiconnSo imho we should use a minimum of 4 or 8KB. Going for more than what a single ide transfer can handle (128KB) would probably make no sense
21:00:58BigBambiXsender: Please use proper words, and yes, if it is V1
21:01:12BigBambiXsender: What version is the original firmware?
21:01:13frawfrawV1 is not a proper word
21:01:17Xsenderhow i can cheak my v
21:01:22BigBambifrawfraw: Yes it is
21:01:27BigBambiIt is part of the model name
21:01:41BigBambiXsender: In the info menu of the original firmware
21:01:44frawfrawBigBambi: you can't pick and choose acronyms and word truncations
21:01:49frawfrawlearn to love it
21:01:52Lloreanfrawfraw: Yes, we can.
21:01:54BigBambifrawfraw: It is printed on the Sansa
21:02:09BigBambiDo you want me to make up words now?
21:02:19Horschtyes, you first
21:02:23LloreanV1 is accepted as a proper noun in reference to this player. Otherwise both Sandisk and Sansa and even e280 are "not proper words"
21:02:51gevaertsamiconn: maybe someone should just test it when I'm done, so we can pick the lowest size before performance starts to degrade
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21:05:06frawfrawBigBambi: No, but you need to realize, some people prefer easier language. My brother is paralyzed from the 4th vertebrae and types with a tongue apparatus. I don't think he'd appreciate you telling him he cant say "u" or "coz" because anything helps to make communicating less tedious
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21:05:38BigBambifrawfraw: It makes it much harder for blind users who need screen readers, and people of other languages who use translation
21:05:45BigBambifrawfraw: Like it or not, those are the rules
21:06:07BigBambiu and coz is much harder language for most people
21:06:10bluebrotherfrawfraw: we can have rules in here. If someone has problems with their rules and a good reason for not following them that's another story.
21:06:14BigBambiAs it isn't real
21:06:18frawfrawBigBambi: I don't like it. And I won't follow them.
21:06:33BigBambiThen you shall be kicked, and if you continue, banned
21:06:35frawfrawbluebrother: S f.u.
21:06:46bluebrotherfrawfraw: this channel has rules. Follow them or leave.
21:06:49Horschthow mature...
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21:07:06*bluebrother doesn't understand that interesting language (but guesses some bad words)
21:07:08Mode"#rockbox +o preglow " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
21:07:18*BigBambi doesn't undersntad either
21:07:30preglowfrawfraw: you should consider being civil
21:07:34BigBambibluebrother: Hence the requirement for real words :)
21:07:41bluebrotherBigBambi: hehe ;-)
21:07:55frawfrawwhat a bunch of arrogant assholes
21:08:03frawfrawseriously, fuck you
21:08:07BigBambibye bye
21:08:11*bluebrother goes for popcorn
21:08:14Kick(#rockbox frawfraw :yes, bye) by preglow!i=thomj@rockbox/developer/preglow
21:08:47pannuaction, from the beginning
21:08:48scorche|whe *had* to come as i was getting lunch didnt he...
21:09:30bluebrotherobviously ;-)
21:09:43BigBambihe was watching and waiting
21:09:59Mode"#rockbox -o preglow " by preglow (i=thomj@rockbox/developer/preglow)
21:10:32Domonokybluebrother: waht do you think ? ,should we release a new rbutil version ? no new bug reports till a few days... (and the binarys in the wiki have many bugs)
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21:10:50*JdGordon|w says go for it!
21:10:53preglowDomonoky: well, why not?
21:11:07LloreanDomonoky: Yes!
21:11:08BigBambiDomonoky: It must be better than the linux version on the wiki where the complete install doesn't work
21:11:27bluebrotherDomonoky: does the complete install work reliably now?
21:11:36Domonokyso, then lets make a label for it, and try to build binarys for all platforms..
21:11:40LloreanThe currently available versions are outdated, both feature-wise and fix-wise. Even if we introduce some new bugs, getting rid of or reducing older ones should make it worth it.
21:11:51bluebrotheryeps. I can build w32 and linux binaries.
21:11:53Domonokybluebrother: i dont really tested it fully, but it should .. :-)
21:12:13JdGordon|wdo we do OSX rbutil builds?
21:12:23bluebrotherok, so a new minor version bump and after that's released lets try to get 1.1 done
21:12:32bluebrotherJdGordon|w: barrywardell did them iirc
21:12:45Domonokyjup, i think linuxstb has done the last rbutil OSX build..
21:13:22JdGordon|wok, ill leave it tpo them
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21:16:17Domonoky_who make the tag/branch for rbutil m1.04 ? i dont think i know how to do it anymore.. :-)
21:18:03*Domonoky_ found it out again.. :-)
21:18:25*bluebrother just was about looking it up
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21:20:27*Domonoky_ has created the tag/branch : svn://
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21:21:38bluebrothernice. Have you also updated version.h?
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21:21:58Domonoky_ups :-/
21:22:05*JdGordon|w wonders what the point of the branch is unless your going to use it to backport bugfixes later
21:22:50bluebrotherJdGordon|w: to not need to remember the revision of the release?
21:23:11bluebrotherand as tags and branches are pretty much the same in svn ...
21:23:52*Domonoky_ updated the version.h in the branch :-)
21:24:30bluebrotherdid you "backport" it to trunk too? ;-)
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21:25:55Domonoky_will also do it on the trunk, i just have to switch my svn again.. :-)
21:26:15bluebrotherdoes svn auto-switching branches?
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21:27:07*gevaerts is going to test his 4kb buffer usb storage driver.
21:27:16Domonoky_tortoisesvn allows to switch to a branch.. very nice..
21:28:20*bluebrother fires up the compiler and leaves for food for a bit ... mingw isn't the fastest at building
21:28:36|sanchez|Domonoky you said no rockbox for 3g nano?
21:28:58|sanchez|as in its not coming out ever or its just not out now?
21:29:20|sanchez|Cause id be happy to get involved in developing for it if anyone else is interested
21:29:31amiconnNo port will magically happen
21:29:36scorche|wi forgot my crystal ball, so i cant say if it will "ever" happen
21:29:38|sanchez|im aware of that
21:29:42Domonoky_nobody is working on it..
21:29:45scorche|wbut currently no one is working on it
21:29:46|sanchez|thank you Domonoky
21:29:49|sanchez|tahts what i was curious about
21:29:56amiconnPorts are done by users having the repective target, and enough skills to do it
21:29:57*scorche|w is slow today =/
21:30:07|sanchez|thanks amiconn :)
21:30:16*gevaerts can't understand how scorche|w can forget something as essential as a crystal ball
21:31:01scorche|wgevaerts: well, the issue is, is i need my crystal ball to be able to find my crystal ball...i think you can see my problem?
21:31:07Domonoky_it seams crystal balls are especially nice for debugging usb code :-)
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21:33:24*jhMikeS suggests simply using the will and to visualize already having it to attract said crystal ball
21:34:22*gevaerts visualizes already having high-speed usb working
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21:34:54*GodEater_ joins hands with gevaerts to lend his will too
21:34:54pannuwhy not try the Orb of Fate?
21:35:37jhMikeSthere is no fate, just cause and effect
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21:57:49midkayBagder: ping!
21:58:47bluebrotherBagder: I've put w32 and linux binaries of rbutil 1.0.4 online. Can you grab them from and move them to the download server please?
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22:01:07Domonoky_JdGordon|w : i just took a look at your last settings_list.c dump.. it does seam parseable.. but at line 226 something strange happens.. and for some settings there are no min/max values (SOUND_SETTING) ..
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22:02:03JdGordon|wDomonoky_: yeah, the sound settings might be difficult to handle because they arnt actually set in settings_list.c
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22:02:20JdGordon|will post a different version in the ml tonight when i get home
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22:02:55bluebrothernice idea to add the release date to the changelog of rbutil
22:03:32bluebrotheranyway, gtg for today. bye.
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22:09:02Bagderbluebrother: (for the logs) done!
22:09:39*gevaerts is an idiot
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22:09:47*GodEater_ disagrees
22:10:18gevaertsNote to self: when reducing buffer sizes, also reduce the size of the ata read
22:10:26rasherThat's probably smart
22:10:33GodEater_yeah I would imagine it's a good plan
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22:12:50jhMikeSgevaerts: so what does this finding imply overall?
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22:14:25*Domonoky_ updated the links on the rbutil wikipage, now we need a osx build... :-)
22:14:50*GodEater_ summons linuxstb
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22:14:59GodEater_who, if he recalls correctly, is in Cairo at the moment...
22:15:03gevaertsjhMikeS: I'm now testing with a 4k transfer buffer instead of the 128k buffer I used until now. It looks hopeful
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22:15:22GodEater_gevaerts: for high speed ?
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22:15:53amiconnDomonoky_: No linux-amd64 build either...
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22:16:20rasheramiconn: can't you run the 32-bit build? It's statically linked, right?
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22:16:36amiconnNot sure whether that would work
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22:16:37gevaertsGodEater_: not yet, unfortunately. But reducing RAM usage while at the same time removing some limitations (the SCSI transfer size the OS can use) sounds good to me anyway
22:16:38low_lightamiconn: did you see my question from earlier? ... Do you know understand ADC_CLOCK_SRC for pp5020? On mrobe 100, OF sets it to 4, BL uses 2, and in Rockbox we use 3.
22:16:44Domonoky_amiconn: if someone builds a 64bit build, why not... *hint* :-)
22:17:06rasherI wonder if it's maybe time to pester the Debian devs again
22:17:14rasherAbout packaging rbutil for Debian, that is
22:17:23amiconnlow_light: No I don't. My guess is that it works similar to the lcd bridge clock though
22:17:35Bagdermidkay: yes?
22:17:50*amiconn has no idea what's needed to build rbuitl
22:18:09*Bagder bets there's a wiki page for it ;-)
22:18:16*amiconn did not even run rbutil a single time so far (on any os)
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22:18:45*gevaerts is happy to have a sacrificial sd card for write testing
22:19:13*Domonoky_ thinks rbutil needs Qt and libusb on linux, thats it.. :-)
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22:19:35*JdGordon|w thinks of something usefull to pretend to be doing
22:20:14crzyboystersoap: Are you going to be putting the new Viewports testing builds up?
22:20:38*JdGordon|w punches crzyboyster in the face for breaking the /me thing
22:20:43amiconnTrying to download rbutil 1.0.4 for linux causes a 404
22:21:06Bagderget it from the haxx server for now
22:21:06*Domonoky_ thinks we need to wait for the mirrors to pick it up..
22:21:10BagderI just put it there
22:21:19*amiconn hates this mirroring stuff
22:21:29Bagderyou shouldn't hate it
22:21:38Bagderit's what makes us survive the traffic
22:21:43crzyboysterJdGordon|w : What /me thing?
22:21:57amiconnYou never know whether the file is actually missing, or you ended up on a lazy mirror
22:22:22Bagderall mirrors sync once per hour
22:22:45Bagderbut some of them don't delete old files very good...
22:22:47amiconnCan't they sync on some kind of change trigger?
22:23:11*GodEater_ wonders how that would work
22:23:22Bagderwell, we _could_ work out such a system
22:23:28Bagderbut as all such systems someone would have to do it
22:23:37Bagderand then get the admins of those servers to deploy it
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22:24:27Bagderwell, git wouldn't fix it by itself
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22:24:51tlkg_hey guys
22:24:58scorche|wno, but it could lay the framework down for what this is sounding like
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22:25:27*GodEater_ doesn't follow scorche's argument
22:25:35Bagderwell, the mirrors would still need to get told when the master is changed
22:25:48Bagdergit doesn't tell its clients when the server changes
22:25:49*scorche|w could be just misunderstanding too
22:26:25GodEater_I presume that we don't have logins to push the stuff to them either
22:26:26*Domonoky_ is for a jabber service .. :-)
22:26:35BagderGodEater: correct
22:26:47GodEater_I wouldn't worry it about it then to be honest
22:26:50GodEater_1 hour is good enough
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22:27:15Bagderthat's my opinion as well
22:27:27*amiconn seems to be unable to figure out the direct download url
22:27:58*GodEater_ wonders why amiconn is trying to download it when he could just build it
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22:28:13amiconnI wanted to test the linux-x86 version on amd64
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22:28:35Bagderamiconn: in the url, s/download/haxx
22:28:42Domonoky_ :-)
22:28:50Bagderright, there too
22:29:01amiconnAnd I can't 'just' build it either, as building it requires qt, which I don't have installed
22:29:26GodEater_you have no QT apps at all ?
22:29:51Domonoky_GodEater_: you need the Qt dev package.. not the runtime libs..
22:29:51Bagderwell, most qt apps won't need the qt-dev package I guess
22:30:03amiconnWell, qt is what kde apps use, correct?
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22:30:06GodEater_I still have my gentoo head on it seems ;)
22:30:11amiconnMy box is kde free
22:30:12GodEater_of course you're correct
22:30:20GodEater_there are QT apps other than KDE ones
22:30:32*gevaerts has managed to copy 130MB of files to his sansa and reading them back, using only a 4Kb transfer buffer
22:30:36GodEater_QTScrobbler for example
22:31:00Bagdergevaerts: any noticable speed difference or so?
22:31:10gevaertsBagder: that's my next test
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22:32:28desowinamiconn: kde is built on top of qt, but there's fair amount of apps that only require qt (not kde) to work, also it's quite nice framework
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22:32:44amiconnrbutil doesn't run on my box. ... no such file or directory
22:33:25amiconnDidn't Domonoky_ say it's statically linked?
22:33:28Domonoky_so bluebrother didnt built libusb statically... i think.. :-/
22:33:48Bagderobviously not...
22:33:51amiconnlibusb *is* installed though
22:34:16GodEater_you have a 64bit one though right ?
22:34:20amiconn(but of course the amd64 version, which won't work for a 32 bit app I guess)
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22:34:54desowinyes, 32bit and 64bit binaries can't link to each other
22:35:23GodEater_I ended up with all 32bit browsers on my amd64 install
22:35:27GodEater_due to the flash issue
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22:35:32amiconnNo qt4 installed at all, btw. Only some qt3 packages
22:35:49desowinGodEater_: nspluginwrapper suits me well
22:35:58*amiconn in fact likes that his browsers on that box are flash free
22:36:04GodEater_desowin: I'll take a look at that
22:36:13GodEater_I couldn't live without youtube ;)
22:36:15*gevaerts only uses flash for data storage
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22:36:39GodEater_how's cairo ?
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22:38:59amiconnWhoa, selecting libqt4-dev for installation wants to select 28 further packages :\
22:39:35desowinqt components are splitted in debian-like systems
22:40:16*amiconn wonders why that even selects mysql-common
22:40:47desowinoh, I think the mysql plugin shouldn't be as default
22:41:08desowinthere's QtSql, which is quite nice
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22:42:45hachiis there a way to get rockbox to tell me the state of the disk inside my ipod?
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22:42:53hachimaybe it's failing, I'm trying to figure out
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22:46:05JdGordon|wthere is a SMART plugin in the tracker I think which will do that
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22:47:16troxoris anyone having issues with the 5G ipod build within the last few weeks? Namely, changing songs has a delay (several minutes)
22:47:30gevaertsBagder: speed results for variuos transfer sizes at
22:47:38n1stroxor: is it an 80Gb model?
22:47:46troxorn1s: yessir
22:48:00Bagdergevaerts: thanks, interesting...
22:48:08n1stroxor: then, yes it's a known problem in builds since r 16105
22:48:50troxorn1s: good to know it's a known problem then, thanks! :)
22:49:12gevaertsBagder: I don't know how much of the difference is USB and how much is SD.
22:49:53Bagderright, you'd have to do dummy operations on ram instead of flash or something to figure that out
22:50:37amiconnRockbox ramdisk, anyone? ;)
22:51:07gevaertsI'll try to think of a way to do that.
22:51:21*amiconn thinks a test on an hdd based target might also be helpful
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22:51:53*gevaerts will upload this code soon, so someone can do the test
22:54:03amiconniPods are practically unbrickable, so even write tests won't be a problem
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22:55:22dan_aBagder: Do you know if anyone has made use of MrH's DMA documentation?
22:55:33BagderI don't think so
22:56:02dan_aDarn. My tests are making Rockbox hang completely
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22:56:22gevaertsamiconn: I'm not really afraid of bricking my c250, but all this reformatting and reinstalling is a hassle
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23:00:10jhMikeSgraph form :)">
23:00:59amiconnUgh, bmp takes quite a while
23:01:25Horschti wish i was behind a modem
23:02:32HorschtI would klick a link, go get something to eat, eat it, go get something to drink, drink it, and when coming back, the image would have been loaded 25%
23:02:44n1sjhMikeS: any progress on the gigabeast spi interface? I wish I could help but really can't wrap my head around this jungle of interrupt stuff...
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23:05:55markunBagder: I'm looking at the meizu firmware, the first part is normal ARM, them follows a RAR compressed part which I uncompressed. This rar archive contains 1.3MB of ARM code. Would it be a bad idea to add this file to the wiki because of copyright problems?
23:06:34Bagderadd your description on how to extract it instead
23:06:38markunI will
23:06:46n1swow, rar...
23:07:04markunn1s: I guess the arm code at the beginning is unrar code, but I'm not sure
23:07:11markunit's rather small
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23:08:13amiconn'small' being?
23:08:26amiconnIirc the unrar code for x86 is ~10KB
23:08:54amiconnAnd they could have thinned it out further, e.g. by only supporting a single compression mode
23:09:10amiconn(like our ucl decompressor used on archos does)
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23:10:42jhMikeSn1s: I got it to work but it needs refinement. I'm not sure how general it should be though.
23:13:51markunamiconn: I'll check after cleaning the meizu wiki page..
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23:17:11n1sjhMikeS: great :) I'm happy if we can talk to the pmic...
23:17:40gevaertsDummy read/write results at
23:18:05*gevaerts discovered that dd uses decimal kilobytes in its speed measurements
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23:21:54stripwaxDomonoky - the download link from the rbutil wiki page gives me a 404:
23:22:45rasherstripwax: s/download/haxx/
23:24:08stripwaxrasher - yep, that seems to work better.
23:24:31Domonoky_the first mirror has picked it up, i can now download it.. :-)
23:24:34rasherHasn't propagated to the mirrors yet
23:26:27jhMikeSmore charts">
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23:27:00gevaertsOn my c250 read and write speed are similar for internal flash and my microsd card.
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23:27:38markunamiconn: the code before the rar archive is about 5.6 KB
23:27:54stripwaxDomonoky - after doing the Install Rockbox with this version, and clicking on the -> Install button, you get the popup showing progress, then when it's done I'm back on the Install Rockbox popup screen .. that used to just disappear once installation had completed
23:28:15stripwaxSo I guess I just click Cancel, now that it's installed successfully?
23:28:32jhMikeSpractically no additional return from going from 64 to 128K buffers
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23:29:18gevaertsIt looks like for larger transfer buffers (16k+) it spends about half the time writing and half the time transfering. If I interpret that correctly, it means that using a double-buffering system will saturate the flash write speed, so high-speed won't buy us much for the sansa (at least the c200)
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23:30:13JdGordon|wcan you write to RAM on one core and use the other core to write it out to flash?
23:30:21gevaertsjhMikeS: indeed. That means that we can at least gain 64k back without anyone noticing.
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23:30:50gevaertsJdGordon|w: the USB transfer is dma, so in principle we don't even need the second core.
23:31:02JdGordon|wah ok
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23:32:28gevaertsDisregarding speed, going to 20k or less has the advantage that the driver can be simplified (it now has to manage chains of transfer descriptors, which wouldn't be needed then)
23:32:36amiconngevaerts: It means the flash driver needs optimisation...
23:32:57amiconnYou could build test_disk.rock and run the speed tests on the sansa
23:33:26gevaertsI'm going to run my speed test on the OF first
23:34:09amiconntest_disk.rock tests rockbox <-> internal storage speed (hdd, flash disk, whatever)
23:35:03*amiconn wonders whether gevaerts put up his latest code somewhere
23:36:32gevaertsamiconn: I uploaded it to flyspray (except the dummy read/write code)
23:39:06markunBagder: ever head of "uCOSII"?
23:39:58*gevaerts is running test_disk now
23:40:02markunfrom the uncompressed meizu firmware: "S5L8700 uCOSII with DOkdo FS 2007.01.24(3.43)"
23:40:57rashermarkun: seems to come from
23:41:48markunrasher: thanks
23:42:10*JdGordon|w used that in embedded systems last year
23:43:44amiconnums_v19.diff doesn't compile here
23:43:52amiconn(building for mini G2)
23:44:29gevaertsWhat does it say ?
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23:46:43gevaertslooking at it now
23:47:57gevaertsamiconn: that _inquiry should be struct inquiry_data
23:49:13gevaertsamiconn: hold that one. There's more wrong with it.
23:51:37gevaertsamiconn: Actually there wasn't. I misread my diff of diffs. Uploaded v20 with the _inquiry fix. I tested building for mini G2
23:54:01gevaertsI uploaded my test disk results to
23:54:19gevaertsIt looks as if boosting on usb connect might make sense
23:55:33amiconnLooks like it
23:56:06amiconnWould it be possible to only boost on activity? (with some delay for unboosting, in order to not do it too often)
23:56:19amiconnOr does boosting/unboosting disturb transfers?
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23:57:45hachitroxor: I'm having this issue
23:58:14hachiis there a way I can downgrade to before r 16105
23:58:23gevaertsIt shouldn't disturb anything. How fast is boosting/unboosting ? i.e. does it make sense to boost when a write command comes in and unboost when it is handled ?

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