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| 00:02:07 | * | gevaerts waits impatiently for the builds to complete |
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| 00:05:35 | * | amiconn almost can't believe what he found out |
| 00:05:46 | * | gevaerts celebrates not breaking any build |
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| 00:10:06 | * | amiconn wonders why there is a significant red delta although the code isn't enabled by default |
| 00:10:36 | preglow | well, some data stuff probably isn't commented out |
| 00:10:44 | preglow | doesn't matter anyway, it's going in soon enough |
| 00:10:49 | preglow | amiconn: what did you find out? |
| 00:11:01 | amiconn | See my latest commit... |
| 00:11:38 | amiconn | That WScript.Sleep 100 had a significantly larger effect on SAPI4 voice building time that expected |
| 00:11:55 | amiconn | s/that/than/ |
| 00:12:10 | * | preglow knows nothing about sapi :/ |
| 00:12:44 | amiconn | It literally took hours (> 3) here to even build a player voice with sapi4. Now it "just" took 26 minutes |
| 00:14:16 | preglow | why so slow? |
| 00:14:26 | amiconn | SAPI4 works realtime |
| 00:14:31 | preglow | why... |
| 00:14:40 | amiconn | It's designed that way |
| 00:14:44 | preglow | lousy design |
| 00:14:56 | amiconn | It can be sped up to 8x realtime, but not when using the automation interface |
| 00:15:19 | amiconn | Yeah, that's probably why SAPI5 exists. It's very different from SAPI4 |
| 00:15:23 | JdGordon|w | gevaerts: congrats... and your cheating! wait untill you commit something which is compiled in by default :D |
| 00:15:35 | preglow | amiconn: but yeah, like i asked, is there any pseudo-opcode to make a pc relative lea.l sequence out of an address label? |
| 00:15:39 | amiconn | When SAPI5 writes to disk, it writes as fast as the CPU+disk allows |
| 00:15:50 | JdGordon|w | oops... |
| 00:15:56 | * | JdGordon|w looks at the deltas and shuts up |
| 00:16:09 | preglow | JdGordon|w: well, at least the code isn't compiled in :P |
| 00:16:39 | amiconn | I don't know of any. You could perhaps use something like <label> - . |
| 00:16:57 | preglow | yeah, thought of that, but i think that's a bit too ugly to warrant saving two bytes |
| 00:17:25 | petur | looks like linuxstb has a full disk |
| 00:17:34 | lostlogic | w00t, rockbox usb stack working on my sansa |
| 00:17:44 | gevaerts | JdGordon|w: The next steps will have to be active from the start. They will clean up usb connection detection and threading |
| 00:17:47 | preglow | lostlogic: damn straight it is! \o/ |
| 00:17:53 | lostlogic | what all targets is it 'spected to work on? |
| 00:17:59 | lostlogic | gevaerts: you rock man. |
| 00:17:59 | preglow | portalplayers |
| 00:18:14 | lostlogic | nice, my video's been begging for an upgrade. |
| 00:18:53 | amiconn | pp502x to be precise |
| 00:19:07 | preglow | well, good point, do we know anything of usb on the pp5002? |
| 00:20:10 | lostlogic | hmph, how... when I hold select, it still shows up as a drive in windows, isn't it impossible for windows and rockbox to both own the drive at the same time? |
| 00:20:46 | amiconn | lostlogic: No, that cannot be done |
| 00:20:54 | amiconn | The 5002 does have an usb controller, but that is supposedly USB1.1 only |
| 00:21:06 | amiconn | If that's the case, there must be some separate chip |
| 00:21:27 | amiconn | Of the current rockbox targets, the only PP5002 target with USB is the 3rd Gen |
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| 00:21:43 | lostlogic | well, I hate to break it to us, but I'm listening to music files off of my sansa both in my computer and in my sansa right now |
| 00:21:46 | lostlogic | it's kinda trippy actually. |
| 00:21:48 | lockdown1 | hey |
| 00:21:57 | gevaerts | lostlogic: that's the next step. There are reasons that it's not enabled by default now. |
| 00:22:17 | lockdown1 | i have a question about the firmware |
| 00:22:32 | gevaerts | lostlogic: be careful doing that. It can lead to data corruption if both sides try to write. |
| 00:22:32 | lostlogic | gevaerts: I just didn't think that what I'm donig was possible... I suppose it's a rather risky thing to do, specially with both connected rw |
| 00:22:41 | lostlogic | :) |
| 00:22:43 | BigBambi | lockdown1: just ask |
| 00:22:46 | lockdown1 | okay |
| 00:22:50 | amiconn | lostlogic: File systems expect to have exclusive access to a disk (exception being cluster filesystems). Disk access *can* be shared, but *only* if neither side ever writes to the disk |
| 00:23:09 | amiconn | Otherwise really nasty things can happen |
| 00:23:32 | lockdown1 | Say you buy an ipod (not that i would)... there are cables with the proprietary plug that allow you to control the play pause skip functions on the ipod via something else... will that still work with rockbox? |
| 00:23:39 | amiconn | gevaerts: Not only if both sides try to write.... |
| 00:23:52 | BigBambi | lockdown1: not yet, but indications are soon |
| 00:23:54 | lostlogic | gevaerts: well the risk of me being stupid and breaking myself is worth the convenience of not booting the superduper slow sansa OF when I want to do transfers. |
| 00:24:08 | gevaerts | amiconn: well, depends on how yoy define nasty. |
| 00:24:20 | lockdown1 | okay. and when that is working, will that same ipod cable working with rockbox, work with rockbox on a creative ZVM? |
| 00:24:31 | BigBambi | eh? |
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| 00:24:54 | BigBambi | rockbox doesn't run on the creative ZVM yet |
| 00:24:54 | lostlogic | different connectors aren't they? |
| 00:24:57 | gevaerts | lostlogic: as long as you don't hold select, there should be no risk. For large transfers you might still prefer the OF, since we don't do high-speed yet |
| 00:25:07 | lockdown1 | the thing that allows the cable to work with the functions is the firmware right? so will that same firmware work to allow other mp3 players use it |
| 00:25:12 | lockdown1 | and i know, but it will eventually |
| 00:25:45 | BigBambi | Creative doesn't use the apple serial/accessory protocol... |
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| 00:26:00 | lostlogic | gevaerts: I hear ya, but on a 2 gig player, the total time for 2 reboots pretty much nullifies that difference |
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| 00:26:34 | lockdown1 | so rockbox doesn't have to ability to make a creative work with ipod accessories |
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| 00:27:11 | amiconn | lostlogic: What does one have to do with the other? |
| 00:27:35 | BigBambi | lockdown1: So you know for sure that the creative accessory port is pin and function identical to the iPod one? |
| 00:28:15 | lockdown1 | i don't know if the function is the same. but from what information i've gathered, they should be the same |
| 00:28:34 | lockdown1 | as far as i know it's mainly a matter of programming |
| 00:28:43 | BigBambi | If the hardware allows it, I guess it is theoretically possible |
| 00:28:54 | BigBambi | lockdown1: We look forward to your patch then |
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| 00:29:11 | lostlogic | amiconn: the lost time of 2 reboots must be amortized over the speed increase for high speed vs. full speed |
| 00:29:17 | lockdown1 | haha, i'm only 19 and still learning programming =] as soon as i learn i'd be more than happy to contribute |
| 00:29:39 | * | amiconn wonders why he is misunderstood so often today :/ |
| 00:29:55 | lockdown1 | but just think of how big a step that would be? That would allow all accessories to be used universally by the same proprietary connection |
| 00:30:02 | amiconn | lostlogic: I mean what does not having to reboot have to do with using the dangerous parallel access |
| 00:30:07 | BigBambi | Seriously, that has got to be quite high up the list of if you want it you are going to have to try yourself |
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| 00:30:21 | amiconn | If you want to transfer files, you are *not* supposed to hold Select when connecting |
| 00:30:41 | BigBambi | lockdown1: I would be surprised to discover that it was possible, but hey |
| 00:30:56 | amiconn | Then rockbox will go into UMS mode, showing the USB screen, as already known from all other targets already |
| 00:31:10 | lockdown1 | well, as soon rockbox is working for ZVM, i'll be doing my research |
| 00:31:30 | amiconn | gevaerts: Btw, lostlogic is right though - behaviour of the code when holding Select (sansa) or Menu (ipods) is wrong. |
| 00:32:06 | * | JdGordon|w truly thinks that button combo is stupid |
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| 00:32:19 | JdGordon|w | the hold switch should invert the behaviour.. not a button |
| 00:32:24 | amiconn | Doing so is supposed to use USB for charging only. In that case, rockbox does not enter the USB screen, and must not expose the UMS interface |
| 00:33:06 | JdGordon|w | also, it should splash saying "usb charging" so you know when its safe to unflick the swithc |
| 00:33:15 | gevaerts | amiconn: I know. I had a quick look at it, but it seems a bit too intertwined with the whole connection detect logic to fix in a few minutes. Since I plan to tackle that next anyway I left the button as is for now. |
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| 00:33:29 | amiconn | JdGordon: (a) that's not really related here (b) not all targets having USB power do have a hold switch (c) <opinion>hold switches are cumbersome </opinion> |
| 00:34:03 | * | JdGordon|w wonders why rockbox reltaed discussion cant happen in #rockbox |
| 00:34:10 | JdGordon|w | b) for the targets which have it should be used |
| 00:34:30 | amiconn | mmrrfrffrfr |
| 00:34:58 | amiconn | (a) was related to the misbehaviour, not to which button should or should not invoke that mode |
| 00:35:17 | preglow | misunderstanding_count++; |
| 00:35:45 | amiconn | JdGordon: As for the feedback, you should have noticed the battery charging animation starting |
| 00:35:53 | preglow | i wouldn't like using hold for that |
| 00:36:00 | preglow | i'd like to use hold for as little as possible, as a matter of fact |
| 00:36:04 | JdGordon|w | not everyone has the statusbar enabled |
| 00:36:45 | amiconn | Other than that, you should be able to safely let go the button as soon as the plugs are plugged |
| 00:36:50 | JdGordon|w | my real problem is havbing differnt buttons for each target... |
| 00:36:59 | amiconn | If that's too early, it is a bug in rockbox and needs to be fixed |
| 00:37:17 | preglow | JdGordon|w: different targets have different button schemes, not much we can do about that |
| 00:37:45 | JdGordon|w | we could use hold |
| 00:37:47 | * | amiconn pings Bagder |
| 00:37:56 | preglow | not all targets have hold, afaik |
| 00:37:59 | preglow | so the problem remains the same |
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| 00:38:11 | preglow | anyway, we don't use the same button for everything else, why should we suddenly do so here? |
| 00:38:13 | JdGordon|w | right, but the ones which do have hold could use it |
| 00:38:29 | JdGordon|w | we do try to have consistancy across tagrtes |
| 00:38:38 | * | JdGordon|w glares at Llorean's e200 keymap commit |
| 00:38:38 | amiconn | Yes. 4 targets with USB power have no Hold switch (FM recorder, recorder V2, Ondio FM and SP) |
| 00:38:53 | JdGordon|w | and about 9 do have it |
| 00:39:15 | gevaerts | There is another related issue. We will probably have usb-serial logf soon. How do you tell the system to use that but not go in UMS mode ? |
| 00:39:15 | preglow | so |
| 00:39:35 | preglow | JdGordon|w: so to charge when i connect my usb cable, i should flick hold, plug in, flick hold off? |
| 00:39:50 | amiconn | And we can't use the same button on every target for every function anyway. There are simply too many variations in button count, layout, naming etc |
| 00:40:07 | * | gevaerts sees a compromise : implement enough usb device classes so that there is a button for each |
| 00:40:53 | amiconn | gevaerts: Activate it in the debug menu beforehand |
| 00:41:02 | amiconn | It's a debug feature after all |
| 00:41:08 | amiconn | Screendump works similar |
| 00:41:22 | gevaerts | That's true. |
| 00:41:25 | amiconn | That reminds me - I didn't test whether screendump still works |
| 00:41:49 | pixelma | JdGordon: afaik this commit was not "use the same button as on other targets" but "if target A uses one button to access X and Y, this accessing X and Y should also be on one button on some other target"... |
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| 00:42:26 | amiconn | Eeek |
| 00:43:05 | amiconn | The screendump itself does work, but it also still exposes the UMS interface. Rather dangerous, because rockbox is writing *while* UMS is being mounted |
| 00:43:16 | gevaerts | ouch... |
| 00:43:43 | pixelma | JdGordon: ...if appropriate and not unintuitive |
| 00:44:13 | * | gevaerts will make fixing that a priority. Not today anymore though |
| 00:44:21 | amiconn | That rule doesn't even hold for older targets... |
| 00:45:06 | amiconn | On all Archoses, the same button is used for switching from WPS to browser and back (ON on player and recorders, MODE on Ondios) |
| 00:45:27 | amiconn | But on irivers, WPS->Browser is SELECT, and Browser->WPS is PLAY |
| 00:45:57 | amiconn | (coldfire irivers to be precise) |
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| 01:37:24 | w00tah | yo where can i get rockboy? |
| 01:37:36 | scorche|sh | with rockbox |
| 01:37:43 | w00tah | its included? |
| 01:37:46 | scorche|sh | yes |
| 01:37:49 | w00tah | okay cool |
| 01:37:58 | w00tah | .gbc is the file, right? |
| 01:38:04 | * | stripwax tries to catch up via the logs |
| 01:38:04 | scorche|sh | or .gb |
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| 01:40:33 | stripwax | gevaerts - awesome progress on usb+serial! |
| 01:41:07 | stripwax | and it looks like there's work on the ipod native serial interface too? cool |
| 01:41:33 | scorche|sh | exciting times for portalplayer folk lately |
| 01:42:27 | ze | my karma's portalplayer, but there's nothing exciting for me :/ |
| 01:42:49 | scorche|sh | well, "rockbox" was implicit in there... |
| 01:43:00 | ze | indeed |
| 01:44:53 | w00tah | how come sometimes my ipod reverts back to the original firmware randomly? |
| 01:45:04 | w00tah | it fixes itself when i reset, but i just want to know why it does that |
| 01:45:17 | stripwax | w00tah - are you by any chance turning the hold switch on while you're booting it? |
| 01:45:32 | stripwax | because that is the switch that tells the rockbox bootloader to load the original firmware.. |
| 01:45:55 | w00tah | well, I always keep it on hold when its off |
| 01:46:14 | w00tah | but i have to turn it off when before i turn it on obviously |
| 01:46:19 | stripwax | sure but you need to turn hold off to turn it on (right) |
| 01:46:47 | w00tah | yeah |
| 01:46:50 | w00tah | thats what im sayin |
| 01:46:58 | stripwax | are you turning hold *on* while it is booting? |
| 01:47:04 | w00tah | no |
| 01:47:16 | stripwax | hm, then it should just load rockbox |
| 01:47:23 | w00tah | but i put on hold before it finishes completely shutting off |
| 01:47:47 | stripwax | that should be fine |
| 01:47:50 | amiconn | It can very well happen if you have hold enabled when returning from usb (diskmode) |
| 01:48:18 | w00tah | is it necassary to enter diskmode when you plug it in? |
| 01:48:24 | w00tah | cause i just plug it in regardless |
| 01:48:45 | stripwax | w00tah - oh, when you plug it in, if it's turned off, it will boot the original firmware. .! |
| 01:48:49 | amiconn | Or even: ipod off (hold enabled) -> plug usb -> ipod will turn on, and since the bootloader sees hold enabled, boots into OF |
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| 01:58:44 | w00tah | do mp4s work with rockbox? |
| 01:58:48 | w00tah | like videos |
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| 02:00:03 | scorche|sh | no |
| 02:00:16 | scorche|sh | mpegplayer can read mpeg1 and mpeg2 files |
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| 02:14:47 | Davide-NYC | markun: ping |
| 02:15:14 | Evilnick | Hey Davide-NYC |
| 02:15:21 | Davide-NYC | oi! |
| 02:15:33 | Evilnick | Not that I'm markun or anything |
| 02:16:02 | Evilnick | Did you get the CF mod working on your H1x0? |
| 02:16:12 | Davide-NYC | In a sense, yes. |
| 02:17:05 | Evilnick | I saw (through stalking everyone via the IRC logs) that you had partial success but there were problems with part of it. What's the trouble? |
| 02:19:02 | pixelma | Davide-NYC: doesn't have to mean anything but it's past 2am here |
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| 02:19:23 | Pizza|real | hey guys i got question |
| 02:19:55 | Davide-NYC | Occaisional freezing, but, I haven't done much testing. |
| 02:20:06 | Evilnick | Pizza|real: Fire away |
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| 02:20:38 | Davide-NYC | pixelma: thanks, but you know what kind of hours these crazy hackers keep ;) |
| 02:20:54 | Pizza|real | RockBox for Zune is it ever gonna come out? or working on it? |
| 02:21:14 | Pizza|real | cuz i am getting tired of zune |
| 02:21:14 | scorche|sh | no one is working on it, and it wont happen without someone working on it |
| 02:21:31 | Pizza|real | but microsoft is getting games for zune so thats good |
| 02:21:33 | Evilnick | Short answer, it's unlikely to happen for a long time |
| 02:21:44 | Evilnick | The Gigabeast is very close in terms of hardware |
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| 02:22:03 | Pizza|real | damn it |
| 02:22:13 | Evilnick | But the security hole has been fixed on the Zune so it's harder to start that port |
| 02:22:19 | Pizza|real | microsoft should made zune with linux option |
| 02:22:25 | Evilnick | Check the New Ports forum for more info |
| 02:22:30 | Davide-NYC | Evilnick: private chat? |
| 02:22:38 | Pizza|real | ??? |
| 02:23:27 | Pizza|real | thats bye |
| 02:23:29 | Evilnick | Davide-NYC: I need to register, so gimme a sec |
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| 02:25:02 | Evilnick | Er... sorry for offtopic, how do I register my irc nick so that I can private chat? |
| 02:25:02 | krazykit | :D! |
| 02:25:19 | krazykit | i wanted to congratulate gevearts, but he isn't here :/ |
| 02:26:37 | Davide-NYC | Evilnick: I'm trying to help ya but I can;t remember offhand. |
| 02:27:30 | Davide-NYC | type /nickserv help |
| 02:28:13 | Evilnick | Got it, thanks |
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| 03:05:42 | fyrestorm | do i have to compile my own build or do i have to edit something in a config file? |
| 03:06:39 | Evilnick | you have to compile your own build |
| 03:06:54 | fyrestorm | ah |
| 03:06:55 | Evilnick | having edited something in a config file |
| 03:07:02 | fyrestorm | would make my life easy? :D |
| 03:07:07 | Evilnick | so yes to both questions |
| 03:07:22 | fyrestorm | yeah i dont know how to compile so |
| 03:07:24 | fyrestorm | bah |
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| 05:25:52 | Nimdae | i just did a svn update and build fails |
| 05:25:53 | Nimdae | recorder/icons.h:30:25: error: rockboxlogo.h: No such file or directory |
| 05:32:45 | TiMiD[FD] | ah ? |
| 05:32:48 | TiMiD[FD] | on which target ? |
| 05:32:54 | Nimdae | ipodvideo |
| 05:32:55 | Nimdae | sorry |
| 05:33:43 | Nimdae | i'm doing a complete checkout to see if something broke |
| 05:35:35 | TiMiD[FD] | I just built it yesterday and it was successful |
| 05:35:43 | TiMiD[FD] | make a full make clean |
| 05:35:52 | Nimdae | it was completely clean |
| 05:36:27 | Nimdae | i just did a build a few days ago, so not sure what's up |
| 05:37:24 | TiMiD[FD] | I try |
| 05:37:28 | Nimdae | my build box is a bit on the slow side, so it'll take a few to get results |
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| 05:37:42 | scorche|sh | svn revert -R ? |
| 05:37:57 | krazykit | -R . |
| 05:38:04 | krazykit | don't forget the period! |
| 05:39:36 | scorche|sh | well, i usually just am in the folder above and use the folder itself, so /shrug :) |
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| 05:40:10 | Nimdae | yeah, full checkout has the same result |
| 05:40:52 | Nimdae | http://pastebin.com/m72a9dd2d |
| 05:40:56 | Nimdae | that's the full error |
| 05:41:42 | TiMiD[FD] | I don't get any error oO |
| 05:41:48 | Nimdae | weird |
| 05:42:04 | Nimdae | has there been a need for a change in build environment? |
| 05:42:41 | TiMiD[FD] | I don't think so |
| 05:43:55 | Nimdae | lemme try without the -j2 |
| 05:44:28 | Nimdae | shouldn't make a difference |
| 05:44:32 | TiMiD[FD] | ah could be that |
| 05:44:47 | TiMiD[FD] | there is a bug with that |
| 05:44:58 | Nimdae | it'd be the first time i hit it |
| 05:45:02 | TiMiD[FD] | the makefile's dependancies are not very well defined |
| 05:45:10 | TiMiD[FD] | check the tracker there is a patch for that |
| 05:45:35 | Nimdae | well, that poses a problem for multi-core systems ;) |
| 05:46:24 | TiMiD[FD] | try to apply the patch |
| 05:46:36 | Nimdae | sec, i wanna get a good build first |
| 05:49:05 | Nimdae | it seems taking off -j2 gets me further, at least |
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| 05:55:51 | TiMiD[FD] | compiled ? |
| 05:58:20 | Nimdae | yeah, running make zip now |
| 05:58:42 | Nimdae | patch in the tracker, eh... |
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| 06:15:59 | TiMiD[FD] | Nimdae: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8619 |
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| 08:04:42 | amiconn | LinusN: Did you see that linuxstb's build server has a problem? |
| 08:04:53 | LinusN | no |
| 08:05:13 | LinusN | wow |
| 08:05:31 | amiconn | It should probably be disabled for now |
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| 08:05:57 | LinusN | done |
| 08:06:03 | amiconn | Yeah, problem is that a build failing this way is incredibly fast, so that same server gets scheduled many builds... |
| 08:06:22 | LinusN | hehe, yes |
| 08:07:20 | amiconn | A manual build round shouldn't be necessary this time, as the change I committed which triggered the failed builds has no influence on binaries |
| 08:07:33 | LinusN | good |
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| 08:26:08 | hamdiya | hello |
| 08:26:12 | hamdiya | need some help please |
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| 08:29:45 | TiMiD[FD] | hamdiya: a problem ? |
| 08:30:13 | hamdiya | hey |
| 08:30:24 | hamdiya | im trying to make my first wps |
| 08:30:38 | hamdiya | and want to include a custom progress bar |
| 08:30:52 | TiMiD[FD] | ah ... |
| 08:31:01 | hamdiya | im just having some probs with the coding |
| 08:31:12 | hamdiya | 'logically' it looks right |
| 08:31:19 | hamdiya | but its not functioning as i want it too |
| 08:31:22 | TiMiD[FD] | I never did any wps |
| 08:31:32 | hamdiya | ow |
| 08:31:46 | hamdiya | are you familiar with the syntax anyway? |
| 08:31:55 | TiMiD[FD] | not really |
| 08:32:09 | TiMiD[FD] | spit it out anyway |
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| 08:32:30 | hamdiya | where's this "pastebin" someone told me about it yesterday? |
| 08:33:57 | LinusN | you could have found it by googling for "pastebin" |
| 08:34:09 | LinusN | pastebin.ca for example |
| 08:34:40 | hamdiya | oh, i thought it was something specific to rockbox |
| 08:34:43 | hamdiya | first time i hear of it |
| 08:34:47 | LinusN | aha |
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| 08:35:41 | hamdiya | http://pastebin.com/d123570ed |
| 08:35:51 | hamdiya | pastebin.ca didnt load with me |
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| 08:38:34 | hamdiya | with that code |
| 08:38:48 | hamdiya | the image only moves at increments of 10 or the percentage played |
| 08:38:56 | hamdiya | while it should move at increments of 1 |
| 08:38:59 | LinusN | there are easier ways to implement a bitmap progress bar |
| 08:39:13 | hamdiya | do tell! |
| 08:39:22 | hamdiya | :) |
| 08:39:22 | LinusN | read about the %P tag here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Images |
| 08:40:09 | LinusN | you draw one image with the entire bar, and then rockbox displays a portion of it |
| 08:40:25 | hamdiya | so i could load a small picture and it will move accross the screan? |
| 08:40:33 | LinusN | no, it will not move |
| 08:40:45 | hamdiya | i actually had a different idea in mind |
| 08:40:52 | hamdiya | the progress bar has like a slider |
| 08:40:54 | LinusN | if you want a moving image you have to use the conditional approach |
| 08:40:59 | hamdiya | i only want the slider to move |
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| 08:41:55 | LinusN | then you have to do it like you did first |
| 08:42:02 | LinusN | but maybe with a lot more images |
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| 08:42:08 | LinusN | to make it look smooth |
| 08:42:11 | hamdiya | except it's not woring |
| 08:42:19 | hamdiya | working* |
| 08:43:04 | BenniBoya | hey, is any one experienced in dual booting luinux, could you hwelp me in community? |
| 08:43:31 | LinusN | hamdiya: well, you have placed images d to j on the same coordinates |
| 08:44:00 | hamdiya | i actually made a typo there |
| 08:44:04 | hamdiya | if you refresh |
| 08:44:07 | hamdiya | i've updated that |
| 08:44:22 | LinusN | looks the same to me |
| 08:44:36 | hamdiya | http://pastebin.com/d1bfbbcea |
| 08:44:48 | LinusN | ah now i see |
| 08:44:50 | hamdiya | could this be because im using the simulator? |
| 08:44:58 | LinusN | don't think so |
| 08:45:09 | LinusN | what exactly is not working btw |
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| 08:45:34 | hamdiya | it does work, but not the way it is supposed to |
| 08:45:40 | hamdiya | the image only moves at increments of 10 or the percentage played |
| 08:45:46 | hamdiya | while it should move at increments of 1 |
| 08:45:59 | hamdiya | maybe i'm getting the conditional stat wrong |
| 08:46:28 | LinusN | you have 10 images, so it will change image every 10% |
| 08:46:52 | LinusN | if you have 100 images, it will change every 1% |
| 08:47:08 | hamdiya | i forgot to mention this is not final |
| 08:47:13 | hamdiya | im just testing with 10 images now |
| 08:47:16 | hamdiya | also |
| 08:47:22 | hamdiya | ive tried also just 4 images |
| 08:47:25 | hamdiya | and the restuls are the same |
| 08:47:32 | hamdiya | besides |
| 08:47:37 | hamdiya | it shouldn't matter |
| 08:48:44 | LinusN | if you have 4 images, it should change image every 25% |
| 08:49:56 | hamdiya | i think i see what you mean |
| 08:50:01 | hamdiya | this isthe conditional |
| 08:50:02 | hamdiya | %?px<%xda|%xdb|%xdc|%xdd|%xde|%xdf|%xdg|%xdh|%xdi|%xdj> |
| 08:50:07 | hamdiya | since there are 10 options |
| 08:50:28 | hamdiya | each will be executed at every increment of 10 devided by 100 |
| 08:50:34 | LinusN | exactly |
| 08:50:45 | hamdiya | what i thought was |
| 08:50:54 | hamdiya | px will return values from 1 to 100 |
| 08:50:59 | hamdiya | (0-99?) |
| 08:51:12 | LinusN | 0 to 100 iirc |
| 08:51:26 | hamdiya | iirc? |
| 08:51:34 | LinusN | if i recall correctly |
| 08:52:08 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcTalk |
| 08:52:25 | hamdiya | :D roger that! |
| 08:52:47 | hamdiya | i guess im limited to max of 52 chars |
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| 08:53:26 | LinusN | unfortunately |
| 08:53:59 | hamdiya | is there an easy way to overcome this |
| 08:54:00 | hamdiya | ? |
| 08:54:08 | hamdiya | play with the rockbox f/w? |
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| 09:01:53 | hamdiya | is there any way around that limitation? |
| 09:02:22 | LinusN | there is a patch in the tracker that attempts to solve this |
| 09:02:42 | hamdiya | was it successful? |
| 09:03:02 | LinusN | i don't know |
| 09:03:03 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7289 |
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| 09:06:28 | JamPS | Good morning |
| 09:07:03 | JamPS | I just updated my rockbox and now my sansa shows this nice usb icon and freezes when I plug in the cable(yesterday it just went black) |
| 09:08:48 | LinusN | JamPS: there is a problem with the reboot functionality on the sansas |
| 09:12:46 | JamPS | sherlock :) how did that happen(again)? |
| 09:12:56 | hamdiya | quesion |
| 09:13:09 | hamdiya | are the current builds based on the SVN? |
| 09:13:47 | GodEater | hamdiya: the current build is always what's in SVN |
| 09:14:03 | hamdiya | so in essence, i already have the patch? |
| 09:14:07 | hamdiya | for the 512 bitmaps |
| 09:14:14 | GodEater | no... |
| 09:14:23 | GodEater | if it's a patch, it's by definition not in svn |
| 09:15:03 | hamdiya | the guy who made the path wrote: "Sync'd to r14667" |
| 09:15:29 | GodEater | that means it applies cleanly to svn revision 14667 |
| 09:15:37 | GodEater | not that it's IN svn revision 14667 |
| 09:15:46 | hamdiya | ow |
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| 09:53:15 | hamdiya | hey |
| 09:53:26 | hamdiya | anyone familar with the %pb syntax |
| 09:53:39 | hamdiya | i've made a progress bar but cannot position it correctly |
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| 09:54:58 | LinusN | what is the problem? |
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| 09:55:44 | hamdiya | i cannot understand the parameters |
| 09:55:56 | hamdiya | you can set the height, position (both x and y) and width of the progressbar (in pixels): %pb|height|leftpos|rightpos|toppos| |
| 09:56:02 | hamdiya | when i do that |
| 09:56:18 | hamdiya | it looks shorter |
| 09:56:33 | hamdiya | even when the song is at the end |
| 09:57:20 | hamdiya | ohh |
| 09:57:40 | hamdiya | the x position should be added to the width desired |
| 09:57:52 | hamdiya | that wasn't mentioned |
| 09:58:00 | LinusN | the rightpos is a *position* not a width |
| 09:58:33 | hamdiya | "and width of the progressbar" |
| 09:58:52 | LinusN | i really don't understand why it is like that |
| 09:59:11 | hamdiya | it's misleading |
| 09:59:22 | LinusN | makes no sense to have a height but not a width |
| 09:59:32 | hamdiya | exactly! |
| 09:59:37 | LinusN | i guess it is for historical reasons |
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| 10:01:03 | hamdiya | it should be %pb|height|x|width+|y| |
| 10:01:35 | LinusN | even better: %pb|x|y|width|height| |
| 10:02:00 | hamdiya | :) |
| 10:02:20 | hamdiya | kinda late to change it now |
| 10:02:21 | LinusN | but if we change it now, all existing wps'es will break... :.-( |
| 10:02:26 | hamdiya | :P |
| 10:02:51 | hamdiya | perhaps a new tag |
| 10:02:54 | hamdiya | untill people get used ot i |
| 10:02:56 | hamdiya | to it* |
| 10:02:59 | LinusN | not that i care *that* much, as long as the "official* wps's are changed |
| 10:03:23 | LinusN | we have made incompatible changes before |
| 10:04:00 | LinusN | but let's leave it as it is until we need to do more changes |
| 10:04:14 | My_Sic | a little question, does anyone is working on the serial I/O of the ipod ? |
| 10:04:20 | hamdiya | i'm surprised there's no official rockbox for ipods |
| 10:05:10 | hamdiya | My_Sic: i have an ipod color and the griffin itrip works good on it, dunno though if it makes any use of the data pins on the serial port |
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| 10:05:35 | petur | with better powermanagement and (soon) USB, I think we should consider another release. Maybe a tracker cleanup week first... |
| 10:06:05 | My_Sic | hamdiya: i have a simple remote and it doesn't works |
| 10:06:37 | hamdiya | a remote will make use of the data pins |
| 10:06:45 | * | petur meant: another try at a release |
| 10:07:05 | LinusN | My_Sic: i have it working |
| 10:07:13 | hamdiya | the fm transmitter only needs the audio output and i think only power from the serial port |
| 10:07:13 | My_Sic | hum |
| 10:07:19 | My_Sic | in an dayli build ? |
| 10:07:30 | LinusN | My_Sic: as a patch on my ipod video |
| 10:07:40 | LinusN | and it only implements the Mode 2 remote commands |
| 10:07:46 | My_Sic | which patch ? |
| 10:07:53 | LinusN | on my hard drive :-) |
| 10:08:19 | petur | LinusN: fyi, gevaerts needs to be added to the svn login <-> name translation table |
| 10:08:26 | LinusN | My_Sic: what type of ipod do you have? |
| 10:08:28 | My_Sic | if i want to use my remote, could I ? if yes how ? |
| 10:08:35 | LinusN | petur: i have done that now |
| 10:08:40 | My_Sic | 60go |
| 10:08:44 | My_Sic | the 5G |
| 10:09:13 | petur | LinusN: oh right, it needs a new page generation first... |
| 10:09:16 | LinusN | My_Sic: hang on |
| 10:09:42 | My_Sic | hang on !?!?!?! |
| 10:10:24 | petur | better to hang on than to fall off |
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| 10:12:35 | My_Sic | LinusN: i don't understand. It's working on your ipod video, why can i don't do like you ? |
| 10:13:21 | LinusN | My_Sic: because i hadn't published the patch |
| 10:13:28 | My_Sic | ok |
| 10:13:36 | LinusN | now i have (hence the "hang on") |
| 10:13:39 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8624 |
| 10:13:49 | My_Sic | yeehhaaa |
| 10:14:09 | My_Sic | so i will install a new rocbox compiling environment tonight in order to try it |
| 10:14:21 | LinusN | wanna try a binary? |
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| 10:14:46 | My_Sic | yep |
| 10:14:51 | LinusN | hang on :-) |
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| 10:25:00 | LinusN | My_Sic: http://linus.haxx.se/rockbox-serialtest.zip |
| 10:25:13 | My_Sic | thinks |
| 10:25:57 | LinusN | the keymap is very basic, so it only works in the wps |
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| 10:28:49 | markun | LinusN: do you think someone from ipodlinux is interested or is the project pretty much halted? |
| 10:29:45 | * | amiconn thinks ipl development has halten moths ago at least |
| 10:29:49 | amiconn | *halted |
| 10:30:16 | markun | on the homepage: Recent SVN Activity: halted |
| 10:30:17 | petur | *months |
| 10:30:21 | markun | eh, Disabled. |
| 10:31:06 | amiconn | Seems it's too early for me to type correctly :\ |
| 10:31:58 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:32:14 | markun | amiconn: yes, better to go back to sleep :) |
| 10:34:20 | markun | I completely disassembled the Meizu M6 firmware with ida pro last night. Could be useful for a iriver clix port as well. |
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| 10:38:42 | petur | do they still make the clix? |
| 10:40:59 | markun | don't know. iriver came up with 7 new players a few months ago so maybe they just work on those now. |
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| 10:46:12 | JamPS | who is working with portalplayer usb support? |
| 10:46:46 | markun | gevaerts is |
| 10:49:42 | markun | JamPS: which player do you have? |
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| 10:51:14 | JamPS | markun, sansa e280 |
| 10:52:43 | JamPS | I would like to work on that if I could be of help |
| 10:55:41 | markun | best to wait for him to come online to ask him what needs to be done |
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| 11:02:49 | petur | I think the problem left now is getting high speed working |
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| 11:04:42 | GodEater | which he thinks needs a reverse engineer of the OF |
| 11:04:55 | GodEater | because everything *should* work for high speed now |
| 11:05:18 | GodEater | so there's a gap between what we've been told works with the PP USB device, and what actually works |
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| 11:11:49 | pondlife | Was the plan to enable (full-speed) USB in the meantime? Or is that not stable enough? |
| 11:12:02 | pondlife | I mean, in SVN |
| 11:12:40 | GodEater | doesn't look like it |
| 11:12:51 | GodEater | since his commit specifically mentions you need the #def |
| 11:13:20 | pondlife | Last time I checked the logs the main remaining issue was that it was possible to end up in a state where both Rockbox and the USB code could write to the disk. |
| 11:13:34 | GodEater | really ? |
| 11:13:38 | amiconn | It works quite well at full speed, but has same dangerous bugs. See last night's logs |
| 11:14:01 | amiconn | Yes, there are 2 such possibilities |
| 11:14:02 | pondlife | So, before high-speed, those bugs should be ironed out and full-speed enabled |
| 11:14:23 | GodEater | perhaps |
| 11:14:38 | pondlife | We might be waiting a long time for high-speed... |
| 11:15:23 | GodEater | personally, if we don't get high-speed, I'm not going to use this |
| 11:15:36 | pondlife | You still have the choice to use the OF |
| 11:15:46 | GodEater | the emergency disk mode on the ipod is bad enough |
| 11:15:53 | GodEater | I dont' want still slower access |
| 11:16:16 | pondlife | Isn't EDM also full-speed? |
| 11:16:21 | GodEater | no |
| 11:16:23 | GodEater | it's high speed |
| 11:16:27 | GodEater | but it's still sucky |
| 11:16:43 | GodEater | if you want proper high speed performance you have to use the OF proper |
| 11:16:47 | amiconn | GodEater: I think you should perform a comparison test |
| 11:17:02 | GodEater | between EDM and RB ? |
| 11:17:07 | amiconn | yes |
| 11:17:22 | amiconn | I'd expect rockbox' fullspeed to be faster than edm |
| 11:17:38 | amiconn | (on G5 and perhaps also Nano) |
| 11:18:03 | GodEater | wow |
| 11:18:28 | amiconn | On ipods where edm has decent speed (e.g. mini G2), rockbox fullspeed is slower, but less so than one might expect from the raw transfer speed difference |
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| 11:19:47 | * | GodEater wonders if he'd like to try this at risk of losing his spinlock revert patch |
| 11:21:45 | GodEater | oh balls |
| 11:21:49 | GodEater | that tree got nuked |
| 11:21:49 | GodEater | oh well |
| 11:21:59 | GodEater | looks like the iPod is back to thoroughly unusable again |
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| 11:23:45 | * | GodEater wonders if the usb connected screen could display a throughput figure |
| 11:24:20 | * | gevaerts thinks that shouldn't be too hard |
| 11:24:49 | GodEater | anyone think it's a good idea ? :) |
| 11:24:57 | hamdiya | hey |
| 11:25:03 | hamdiya | i have a question about scrolling text |
| 11:25:34 | hamdiya | is it possible to have the text that reaches the end of the screen continue from the other end |
| 11:25:49 | GodEater | hamdiya: I think that's configurale |
| 11:25:52 | LinusN | hamdiya: no, it can't wrap |
| 11:25:59 | hamdiya | lol |
| 11:26:03 | GodEater | oh really ? |
| 11:26:04 | GodEater | hm |
| 11:26:09 | gevaerts | GodEater: I think that at least some kind of activity indicator would be useful. |
| 11:26:25 | GodEater | gevaerts: yes definitely |
| 11:26:28 | LinusN | hamdiya: maybe i misunderstood, i thought you wanted it to continue on the next line |
| 11:26:37 | hamdiya | no |
| 11:26:42 | hamdiya | umm |
| 11:26:45 | GodEater | thank goodness |
| 11:26:52 | hamdiya | when the text reaches the end of the screen |
| 11:26:53 | GodEater | I thought my rockbox know how was leaking away |
| 11:27:05 | hamdiya | i want it to continue from the begining of the line |
| 11:27:32 | * | gevaerts first wants to finish going through the connection logic though, so it's actually safe to use for everyone |
| 11:28:06 | amiconn | gevaerts, GodEater: The activity indicator already exists.... |
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| 11:28:29 | LinusN | hamdiya: instead of scrolling back? |
| 11:28:31 | GodEater | amiconn: yes - in the status bar |
| 11:28:35 | amiconn | exactly |
| 11:28:39 | hamdiya | http://www.ukauctionhelp.co.uk/marquee.php |
| 11:28:44 | hamdiya | something lke that |
| 11:28:46 | GodEater | I'd still like to see a throughput figure though |
| 11:28:50 | hamdiya | i want it to be like #1 |
| 11:28:56 | GodEater | hamdiya: that's user configurable |
| 11:29:05 | hamdiya | any idea how? |
| 11:29:14 | hamdiya | i just know that you can use %s to scroll |
| 11:29:20 | hamdiya | but how do you configure it |
| 11:29:23 | LinusN | you can change the Bidirectional Scrolling Limit |
| 11:29:25 | GodEater | you can't control it in the WPS |
| 11:29:33 | hamdiya | dam |
| 11:29:35 | GodEater | the text will scroll however the user likes it |
| 11:29:40 | GodEater | you have no say in it |
| 11:29:48 | hamdiya | bumer |
| 11:29:57 | LinusN | that's the point of user settings |
| 11:30:09 | GodEater | indeed |
| 11:30:20 | markun | but you could change the scroll settings with the .cfg file of your theme :) |
| 11:30:22 | * | GodEater doesn't want some WPS-Nazi telling him how his text should scroll! |
| 11:30:25 | hamdiya | itll be nice though if the user can select to use his/her settings or the ones that coem with the wps |
| 11:30:32 | GodEater | markun: sssh! |
| 11:30:45 | hamdiya | rofl! |
| 11:31:03 | hamdiya | right now im just working on an wps |
| 11:31:03 | hamdiya | a* |
| 11:31:06 | GodEater | I think that would suck to be honest |
| 11:31:15 | hamdiya | but ill keep that thought for the future |
| 11:31:23 | GodEater | WPS authors could start doing all sorts of weird things to your config if they start shipping "their" settings to the end user |
| 11:31:51 | hamdiya | lol |
| 11:31:59 | hamdiya | not like you can screw up the target with a cfg file |
| 11:32:04 | hamdiya | right? |
| 11:32:23 | GodEater | you could do all sorts of bad things |
| 11:32:45 | GodEater | foreground and background colours set to the same leaps to mind |
| 11:33:14 | LinusN | generally, the user should be in charge |
| 11:33:32 | GodEater | yep |
| 11:33:37 | hamdiya | good point |
| 11:33:53 | hamdiya | another qustion plz |
| 11:33:59 | * | GodEater appears to have fallen foul of Godwin's law and apologises |
| 11:34:14 | hamdiya | is it possible to put two peices of text in the same line and only have one of them scroll |
| 11:34:30 | GodEater | hamdiya: not without viewports I think |
| 11:34:30 | LinusN | not yet |
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| 11:36:30 | hamdiya | okey :) |
| 11:38:19 | gevaerts | amiconn: (referring back to last night) I think I will actually change the configuration descriptor sending to use a separate transfer buffer. If we want to be connected without exposing UMS or serial, we will need to build up the total descriptor at runtime. |
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| 11:39:26 | LinusN | gevaerts: that sounds like the best thing to do |
| 11:40:29 | gevaerts | It will also make other device classes easier in the future (should we want them) |
| 11:41:51 | LinusN | gevaerts: yes |
| 11:43:56 | hamdiya | i think i found a way |
| 11:44:05 | hamdiya | if you put alot of spaces after the text |
| 11:44:24 | hamdiya | it'll continue from the beginning of the line |
| 11:45:18 | amiconn | It might, but you can't be sure |
| 11:45:30 | hamdiya | its doing that with me |
| 11:45:31 | hamdiya | :) |
| 11:46:02 | amiconn | It depends on what bidirectional scroll limit the user selected |
| 11:47:04 | hamdiya | it seems to "visually" override the user settings |
| 11:47:13 | hamdiya | you just need to leave alot of spaces |
| 11:47:14 | amiconn | And if it doesn't wrap around, the effect will be rather nasty (text temporarily vanishing completely) |
| 11:47:20 | hamdiya | about 30 |
| 11:47:40 | LinusN | hamdiya: don't attempt to solve it that way |
| 11:47:42 | hamdiya | just enough to fit the screen |
| 11:47:59 | hamdiya | howcome? |
| 11:48:11 | LinusN | hamdiya: that depends on what the user has set the "Bidirectional Scroll Limit" setting to |
| 11:49:00 | LinusN | he could even have set it to 200% because he *wants* bidirectional scrolling |
| 11:49:35 | hamdiya | hmm |
| 11:49:41 | GodEater | well - with the latest USB code, I can't actually mount my ipod's disk |
| 11:49:46 | hamdiya | well, if it works, whats the harm in that? |
| 11:50:42 | amiconn | hamdiya: Just try it, and you'll see |
| 11:50:52 | hamdiya | i am :) |
| 11:51:16 | amiconn | Did you try setting bidirectional scroll limit to maximum? |
| 11:51:21 | hamdiya | ok, sry, i see what you mean |
| 11:51:25 | hamdiya | yeah |
| 11:51:33 | hamdiya | n00b here |
| 11:52:09 | GodEater | gevaerts: I'm just getting device resets in my dmesg output with the latest usb svn code |
| 11:52:18 | GodEater | has anyone else tested it on 5.5G ? |
| 11:53:50 | hamdiya | is there an option to position text anywhere on the screen, just like images? |
| 11:55:00 | GodEater | hamdiya: no |
| 11:55:04 | GodEater | not until viewports are done |
| 11:55:19 | gevaerts | GodEater: what was it doing ? (just connected, copying lots of files, ...) |
| 11:55:50 | GodEater | just connected |
| 11:55:53 | GodEater | I couldn't even mount it |
| 11:56:03 | gevaerts | GodEater: also, do you have other usb devices on the same bus ? |
| 11:56:17 | GodEater | only a bluetooth adaptor |
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| 11:56:30 | GodEater | oh no - mouse and keyb too ;) |
| 11:57:31 | gevaerts | GodEater: so I probably can't ask to try and unplugging them... I'm asking because desowin had lots of problems a few days ago, which were solved by replugging all his usb stuff |
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| 11:58:00 | GodEater | I can try |
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| 11:58:33 | hamdiya | any eta on viewports? seems to be very cool |
| 11:59:16 | GodEater | ok |
| 11:59:21 | GodEater | everything plugged and replugged |
| 11:59:24 | GodEater | will try again |
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| 12:00:45 | * | GodEater waits for dircache to finish killing the disk |
| 12:00:49 | gevaerts | GodEater: if it still doesn't work, can you enable logf for usb_storage.c and send me the results ? |
| 12:01:43 | GodEater | hmm - yeah, instant reset after it's read the partition table |
| 12:01:48 | GodEater | and can't mount again |
| 12:01:55 | GodEater | will do gevaerts |
| 12:04:01 | GodEater | building now |
| 12:08:58 | * | GodEater remembers that in order for the #def to take effect, you have to a do a LOGF build. |
| 12:09:01 | GodEater | <−− numpty |
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| 12:16:12 | GodEater | ok - I'm definitely wearing my correctional footwear today. After doing the first build without having set it to do a LOGF in the configure script, I then rebuild it having changed that WITHOUT putting -DUSE_ROCKBOX_USB in the Makefile |
| 12:16:16 | GodEater | so third times the charm |
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| 12:24:40 | GodEater | hmm |
| 12:24:44 | GodEater | there's not much in the dump |
| 12:25:39 | GodEater | http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 12:25:43 | GodEater | oops |
| 12:25:53 | GodEater | http://pastebin.ca/912421 |
| 12:26:12 | * | gevaerts notices that GodEater has a do-it-yourself approach to debug output |
| 12:26:27 | GodEater | hehe |
| 12:29:29 | gevaerts | Can you try http://pastebin.ca/912424 ? |
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| 12:32:42 | gevaerts | Actually, forget that. I forgot to read it from bottom to top... |
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| 12:33:23 | gevaerts | GodEater: can you paste the dmesg output ? |
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| 12:33:48 | GodEater | will do that too |
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| 12:34:07 | GodEater | can't do it right now - I've been getting so much crap in there I just cleared the ringbuffer |
| 12:36:28 | GodEater | http://pastebin.ca/912434 |
| 12:36:39 | GodEater | you'll note there's no reset message there yet |
| 12:36:44 | GodEater | but I still can't mount the drive |
| 12:36:49 | GodEater | mount claims there's no such device |
| 12:37:10 | GodEater | I then start getting : [793092.430560] usb 4-1: reset full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 |
| 12:37:14 | GodEater | over and over |
| 12:37:42 | GodEater | followed by : [793189.180839] scsi 43:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to dead device |
| 12:37:46 | GodEater | when I finally pull the plug |
| 12:39:55 | GodEater | hmm |
| 12:40:00 | GodEater | the filesystem seems broken now |
| 12:40:21 | gevaerts | GodEater: the logf output says that it gets read errors from the ata driver. I'm not sure why, but I may have done something wrong with the 2048 byte sector logic somewhere. |
| 12:41:15 | gevaerts | GodEater: at least the logf output you posted contains no writes. |
| 12:41:37 | GodEater | I'm unable to start any viewers now though |
| 12:41:45 | GodEater | they all fail with "unable to open" messages |
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| 12:42:33 | GodEater | I'll do a FS check on windows first |
| 12:42:39 | gevaerts | GodEater: ok |
| 12:42:40 | GodEater | and then grab the latest logf output |
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| 12:47:39 | DjLaurenz | hi |
| 12:49:46 | DjLaurenz | is there anybody? |
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| 12:51:10 | * | GodEater didn't realise #rockbox was now #seance |
| 12:51:43 | pondlife | Wooah |
| 12:51:47 | pondlife | The table's floating |
| 12:51:54 | * | GodEater wears a sheet over his head |
| 12:52:20 | pondlife | The ouija board says: S... P..... I... |
| 12:52:27 | pondlife | ..N...... L... O.... C.... |
| 12:52:31 | pondlife | K..S.... |
| 12:52:37 | pondlife | What can it mean?? |
| 12:52:38 | GodEater | hahaha |
| 12:53:33 | pondlife | Slightly more on-topic, but not much...should we be hosting an EXE with no source or license? (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxAutoManagementUtility) |
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| 12:55:21 | GodEater | gevaerts: http://pastebin.ca/912450 |
| 12:55:25 | GodEater | with your patch |
| 12:55:58 | DjLaurenz | hey |
| 12:56:09 | DjLaurenz | i want to ask a thing about the development of rockbox |
| 12:56:16 | pondlife | Ask away |
| 12:56:30 | DjLaurenz | i have a t-logic mp3 player |
| 12:56:32 | DjLaurenz | i'm italian |
| 12:56:38 | DjLaurenz | tl-255 |
| 12:56:48 | DjLaurenz | is it possible to install rockbox there? |
| 12:56:54 | pondlife | No |
| 12:56:55 | * | gevaerts does the hand and forehead thing |
| 12:57:05 | pondlife | Not unless you develop a port to it. |
| 12:57:39 | DjLaurenz | i don't know anything about development |
| 12:57:43 | DjLaurenz | i'm only a user |
| 12:58:06 | DjLaurenz | if it's a simple thing "develop a port to it" |
| 12:58:13 | DjLaurenz | and you can explain me |
| 12:58:16 | DjLaurenz | i can try |
| 12:58:19 | pondlife | It's about the hardest thing to do. |
| 12:58:20 | markun | it's difficult |
| 12:58:34 | * | pondlife can't find the wiki page... |
| 12:59:08 | GodEater | NewPorts ? |
| 12:59:13 | pondlife | Nope |
| 12:59:16 | DjLaurenz | mmm... |
| 12:59:18 | pondlife | Nor NewPort |
| 12:59:24 | GodEater | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 12:59:38 | gevaerts | GodEater: fix commited |
| 12:59:46 | DjLaurenz | now i go to read |
| 12:59:50 | GodEater | gevaerts: what was the problem ? |
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| 13:00:31 | pondlife | Haha, a wiki search for NewPort doesn't actually find that page. |
| 13:00:51 | GodEater | LinusN: your fix for gevaerts' svn name hasn't worked by the way ;) |
| 13:00:52 | gevaerts | GodEater: I added a range check to the reads and writes, and it multiplied with the sector-size multiplier twice for that check, so it rejected the read as outside the device |
| 13:00:57 | hamdiya | is there a tag separator for wps config files |
| 13:01:02 | GodEater | gevaerts: ah ha |
| 13:01:25 | gevaerts | That check wasn't there last time you tested |
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| 13:02:27 | GodEater | building again |
| 13:04:22 | DjLaurenz | when i can try a porting, i'll come back here |
| 13:04:25 | DjLaurenz | tnx a lot |
| 13:04:30 | DjLaurenz | bye bye |
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| 13:06:37 | * | gevaerts is off to lunch |
| 13:07:49 | GodEater | gevaerts: that's fixed it - thanks :) |
| 13:07:54 | * | GodEater also goes to lunch |
| 13:08:03 | hamdiya | before you do |
| 13:08:04 | hamdiya | :D |
| 13:08:11 | hamdiya | is there a tag separator for wps config files |
| 13:08:24 | hamdiya | wps files* |
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| 13:10:19 | appel22 | hi |
| 13:11:00 | appel22 | I need some help installing rockbox on my ipod 2nd gen (2Gb). Anyone arround who can help ? |
| 13:13:18 | dionoea | 2nd gen nano? |
| 13:13:41 | appel22 | no |
| 13:13:51 | dionoea | ah ok, nevermind :) |
| 13:13:57 | appel22 | :) |
| 13:14:00 | appel22 | 2nd nano is not supported |
| 13:14:02 | dionoea | Did you try using rbutil ? |
| 13:14:06 | dionoea | which is why i asked :) |
| 13:14:18 | appel22 | yes |
| 13:14:18 | appel22 | yes |
| 13:15:02 | appel22 | autodetect doesn't work for rbutil |
| 13:15:15 | dionoea | Did you try selecting the device manualy? |
| 13:15:24 | appel22 | and when I select manual it says at <invalid> |
| 13:15:47 | appel22 | even when trying the bootloader exe I also get the error no device connected |
| 13:16:02 | appel22 | while on my windows system I can access the ipod as removable disk |
| 13:16:31 | dionoea | Did you previously install stuff like ipod linux or mess with the partions on the ipod? |
| 13:16:55 | appel22 | no. I wouldn;t dare while it still is in warranty :) |
| 13:17:09 | appel22 | I did insdtall rockbox first (copied it to the root) |
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| 13:17:41 | dionoea | 2nd generation ipods are still under warranty? /me thought that they were really old |
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| 13:17:51 | appel22 | lol |
| 13:18:06 | appel22 | wait |
| 13:18:18 | appel22 | I think I have it for two years now |
| 13:18:29 | appel22 | but I never did anything on the ipod |
| 13:19:59 | appel22 | the ipod is in disk mode, which it should be, right |
| 13:20:33 | dionoea | Well I can't really help you more than that i guess :/ You could try using the apple ipod restore tool (or whatever it's called) and then run rbutil again. That sometimes fixes it |
| 13:20:55 | appel22 | hmm, I could try that first |
| 13:21:01 | appel22 | where can I find it ? |
| 13:21:09 | dionoea | apple.com/ipod i guess :) |
| 13:21:14 | appel22 | hehe. ok |
| 13:21:47 | dionoea | or you could wait for someone with experience with the old ipods to show up :) |
| 13:22:13 | appel22 | it 2nd gen that old ? |
| 13:22:38 | dionoea | Well unless we're not talking about the same 2nd gen ... i guess that it is |
| 13:22:50 | appel22 | I have no idea |
| 13:23:52 | dionoea | if you look on http://www.apple.com/support/ipod/five_rs/ , which one do you have? |
| 13:24:46 | appel22 | checking it right now, |
| 13:25:33 | appel22 | damn |
| 13:25:37 | appel22 | you were right from the start |
| 13:25:44 | appel22 | think its the nano I have |
| 13:25:47 | appel22 | haha |
| 13:26:13 | dionoea | :) |
| 13:26:26 | dionoea | well, :( |
| 13:26:30 | appel22 | crap |
| 13:26:33 | dionoea | since you can't run rockbox on it |
| 13:26:42 | appel22 | duh.. |
| 13:27:02 | Bagder | no need to cry over that, you can still use it as a door-stopper and plenty other useful things! |
| 13:27:10 | dionoea | hehe :p |
| 13:27:11 | appel22 | my wife has nano 1st gen |
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| 13:27:13 | appel22 | haha |
| 13:27:26 | dionoea | nano 1st gen would work |
| 13:27:27 | appel22 | cool.. I have an ipod nano doorstopper |
| 13:28:01 | appel22 | 2nd gen support wont come? |
| 13:28:11 | Bagder | not very likely, no |
| 13:28:16 | appel22 | o well |
| 13:28:30 | dionoea | nobody figured out how to run code on it yet |
| 13:28:54 | GodEater | more to the point, no-one's trying to either |
| 13:29:04 | dionoea | ;) |
| 13:29:21 | appel22 | I'm a software writer but I dont think I can either :p |
| 13:29:33 | dionoea | appel22: you could give your wifi your ipod and get her's. She'll be glad to have a new one and you'll have rockbox on yours. |
| 13:29:40 | dionoea | s/wifi/wife |
| 13:29:51 | appel22 | hehe |
| 13:29:58 | appel22 | I think I will do that |
| 13:32:05 | appel22 | thanx for the help |
| 13:32:24 | appel22 | or atleast thanks for dissapointing me. haha |
| 13:32:41 | dionoea | you're welcome. We always like bringing bad news |
| 13:34:03 | appel22 | ^_^ |
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| 13:36:53 | * | GodEater thinks that it's apple who have ultimately provided the disappointment |
| 13:37:34 | GodEater | I'm just as disappointed we're not likely to ever run on anything later than the 5.5G ipods |
| 13:38:39 | amiconn | LinusN: The script still doesn't seem to know gevaerts |
| 13:38:47 | GodEater | amiconn: I already said that... |
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| 13:39:38 | petur | so did I ;) |
| 13:40:24 | petur | or not... it _still_ doesn't know him... |
| 13:42:52 | petur | I assume the website doesn't use http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/www/tools/svnlog2html.pl?view=log directly? |
| 13:45:09 | pixelma | only the frontpage doesn't know him, the commit overview that's accessed from the build table does |
| 13:46:07 | pixelma | and the "since" tables too |
| 13:48:28 | fyrestorm | attn gevaerts |
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| 13:55:19 | Nico_P | GodEater: never say never... look at the ZVM ;) |
| 13:55:57 | GodEater | I didnt' say never |
| 13:56:01 | GodEater | I said "unlikely" ;) |
| 13:56:57 | Nico_P | "not likely to ever" sounded very much like "never" to me, but yeah :) |
| 13:57:14 | Nico_P | I admit I don't really believe it will happen either |
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| 13:57:37 | GodEater | certainly won't if no-one works on it :) |
| 13:57:40 | Nico_P | petur: no it doesn't. Bagder just put those in SVN for reference |
| 13:58:19 | Nico_P | I'm really impressed by the perseverance of the ZVM guys |
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| 14:00:48 | GodEater | it's what it would take to to get RB on the latter ipods |
| 14:00:53 | GodEater | and there's certainly no-one doing it |
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| 14:03:26 | Nico_P | maybe someone should donate an ipod classic to mcuelenaere :) |
| 14:04:15 | gevaerts | GodEater: I think there's one more bug in that check : it won't reject reads or writes that are just one block too far. That's less urgent though I guess |
| 14:04:50 | GodEater | hmm |
| 14:05:00 | * | GodEater is suddenly less keen to use it for writing |
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| 14:05:37 | fyrestorm | ? |
| 14:06:10 | gevaerts | GodEater: it's not that bad. The OS won't ask for those blocks anyway... |
| 14:06:58 | fyrestorm | gevaerts: id like to test out your usb stack code, but i dont know how to compile XD |
| 14:11:21 | gevaerts | fyrestorm: I'll probably start to provide test builds in a few days. If you really want it now, I could probably provide a build for you. What player do you have ? |
| 14:11:33 | fyrestorm | ipod 5th gen 30gb |
| 14:12:11 | Nico_P | gevaerts: if it's becoming stable enough you might want to consider enabling by default |
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| 14:13:22 | LinusN | this reminds me of when i wrote the ATA writing support back in the days |
| 14:13:31 | LinusN | or rather the FAT32 write support |
| 14:14:06 | LinusN | that's something you don't want to screw up |
| 14:14:48 | fyrestorm | please dont break my harddrive <3 |
| 14:16:09 | gevaerts | Just to check, 5th gen 30gb is Video 32 MB, right ? |
| 14:16:14 | fyrestorm | yes |
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| 14:16:25 | LinusN | gevaerts: yes |
| 14:16:29 | jpt9 | hey. |
| 14:17:33 | jpt9 | I'm on Vista and have Cygwin. I have eSpeak installed (as a SAPI voice); how would I go about creating a new .talk file (with all the menu items) for my Sansa e250R? |
| 14:18:34 | gevaerts | fyrestorm: it won't break the hardware. As far as I know it won't break the filesystem either, but you'll have to be careful not to hold the (select, menu, whatever it is on ipod) button while plugging in. In short, if you don't get the USB connect screen, unplug and try again. |
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| 14:18:50 | gevaerts | fyrestorm: it's building now |
| 14:18:51 | fyrestorm | sure |
| 14:18:54 | fyrestorm | word |
| 14:19:05 | fyrestorm | i dont press buttons anyway |
| 14:19:11 | amiconn | LinusN: Btw, when we are about to enable UMS, the sector 0 write protection in the ata driver has to go imo |
| 14:19:11 | fyrestorm | when i plug it in |
| 14:19:22 | LinusN | amiconn: absolutely |
| 14:19:41 | amiconn | Otherwise it won't be possible to repartition the drive from rockbox usb mode |
| 14:20:17 | * | amiconn got a panic because of that protection in his first try of write speed test |
| 14:20:18 | fyrestorm | i have an old ipod 4th gen too, but the hd on it is busted. perhaps i can donate it? |
| 14:24:25 | joshin | Does the new rockbox USB stack work with the e2XX series machines? |
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| 14:28:35 | GodEater | joshin: yes it does |
| 14:29:09 | joshin | Cool. Who wants to (or can) update the wiki... :) |
| 14:29:24 | GodEater | which wiki page? |
| 14:29:46 | gevaerts | joshin: it's not enabled by default yet. |
| 14:30:30 | joshin | Aah. Well considering that the e2xx page says this for USB: "USB handler ALERT! - The Sansa recognises when the USB has been plugged in, but does nothing more. " |
| 14:30:50 | joshin | Maybe it should be enabled by default for the e2xx |
| 14:31:07 | GodEater | it will be when it's ready... |
| 14:31:10 | * | joshin goes to update his repository, enable it, and kick off a build |
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| 14:31:23 | jpt9 | oh yeah... is there any progress on getting rockbox to work on the new sansas? |
| 14:31:30 | jpt9 | (I, luckily, have an old one.) |
| 14:31:31 | GodEater | jpt9: no |
| 14:32:22 | jpt9 | the one thing that sucks after showing people Doom on my Sansa is the fact that Rockbox doesn't work on any brand-new, latest model mp3 players. I mean, I don't blame you guys −− you're doing this all for free... |
| 14:32:27 | jpt9 | and it's awesome! |
| 14:32:34 | gevaerts | joshin: probably somewhere next week. There's still a few issues left |
| 14:32:57 | gevaerts | fyrestorm: gevaerts/ums/rockbox-ipod5g-ums.zip">http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/ums/rockbox-ipod5g-ums.zip |
| 14:33:01 | fyrestorm | ty |
| 14:33:10 | joshin | That's what I get for not paying attention for a few weeks... :) Great work! |
| 14:33:36 | gevaerts | fyrestorm: let me know when you have it. I don't really want people to use it without being aware that there's work left. |
| 14:33:39 | * | jpt9 really wants a RockboxPlayer (the hardware you guys are developing) with like a 160GB HD in it :-) |
| 14:33:45 | fyrestorm | got it |
| 14:33:45 | jpt9 | and a trackpoint for navigation... |
| 14:33:49 | fyrestorm | you can delete. |
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| 14:34:06 | jpt9 | no, make that a telepathic user interface. and a 42-inch plasma screen. and it needs to cure deadly diseases while I sleep. |
| 14:34:21 | fyrestorm | restarting my ipod now |
| 14:34:30 | jpt9 | (I can't seem to find the Dilbert comic strip that I just ripped off, but I know it's in The Dilbert Principle) |
| 14:35:25 | jpt9 | oh yeah... is there any way you guys could pull off non-180 degree screen rotation? |
| 14:35:36 | LinusN | not easily |
| 14:35:42 | jpt9 | oh. |
| 14:35:43 | jpt9 | ok. |
| 14:35:47 | * | jpt9 loves the Flip mode. |
| 14:35:48 | GodEater | and for our next trick, world peace. |
| 14:35:58 | jpt9 | it's much more comfortable to hold my Sansa with the wheel at the top. |
| 14:36:10 | jpt9 | GodEater: would that be under Games, Apps, or Demos? |
| 14:36:19 | GodEater | Miracles |
| 14:36:25 | GodEater | it's a new section we're planning |
| 14:36:28 | jpt9 | lol... |
| 14:36:33 | jpt9 | hmm... |
| 14:36:53 | jpt9 | now, if you could just run Rockbox on a iPhone, it would give new meaning to the term "JesusPhone" :-) |
| 14:36:55 | GodEater | I'm working on the "Walk on water" plugin |
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| 14:37:38 | GodEater | Rockbox on iPhone is allegedly possible using the jailbreak and SDL |
| 14:37:45 | GodEater | no-one's reported trying it though |
| 14:37:57 | jpt9 | wait... rockbox can run using SDL?! |
| 14:38:04 | jpt9 | why isn't there a PC port? :-) |
| 14:38:05 | GodEater | the simulator can |
| 14:38:07 | GodEater | there is |
| 14:38:29 | jpt9 | well yeah... but I mean rockbox designed *for* a PC... or how about a Nokia Internet Tablet... no wait... an Asus eeePC... |
| 14:38:30 | jpt9 | :-D |
| 14:38:37 | jpt9 | you guys kick ass. |
| 14:38:48 | GodEater | well - there's the development opportunity for you |
| 14:39:03 | * | GodEater uses the sim regularly to listen to music on his pc |
| 14:39:09 | jpt9 | do you guys ever do Summer of Code? |
| 14:39:19 | GodEater | we did last year |
| 14:39:36 | jpt9 | cool. |
| 14:39:36 | GodEater | there's a wiki page about it |
| 14:40:08 | GodEater | wma support was a direct result of last years SoC |
| 14:40:09 | * | petur thinks there will be a google announcement regarding GSoC on monday |
| 14:40:15 | GodEater | yay |
| 14:40:16 | jpt9 | wait... it does wma?! |
| 14:40:19 | jpt9 | really? |
| 14:40:19 | GodEater | do we have projects yet ? |
| 14:40:31 | LinusN | jpt9: which planet are you from? :-) |
| 14:40:44 | fyrestorm | earf |
| 14:40:48 | fyrestorm | eurf |
| 14:40:54 | jpt9 | i think I might have tried it before and it didn't work... |
| 14:41:04 | jpt9 | hmm... |
| 14:41:19 | * | jpt9 grabs some audiobooks... |
| 14:41:31 | petur | GodEater: "Should we choose to do the program again, we will likely announce all this information on Monday" (gsoc mailinglist) |
| 14:41:52 | GodEater | that doesn't sound so promising =/ |
| 14:42:08 | fyrestorm | whooaaa |
| 14:42:12 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 14:42:58 | fyrestorm | haha neat |
| 14:43:15 | fyrestorm | toshiba mk3008gal usb device |
| 14:43:49 | fyrestorm | successful~ |
| 14:44:17 | fyrestorm | although before i tried putting my ipod back in |
| 14:44:26 | fyrestorm | i started building a database for my music |
| 14:44:31 | fyrestorm | was initializing |
| 14:44:35 | fyrestorm | and then the ipod shut off |
| 14:44:39 | * | amiconn thinks the sim is too cumbersome to use for regular music listening on a PC |
| 14:44:47 | fyrestorm | restarted it, low battery |
| 14:44:50 | * | GodEater doesn't find it so |
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| 14:45:00 | jpt9 | huh... so it does play WMAs... |
| 14:45:06 | * | jpt9 still prefers MP3 or ogg... |
| 14:45:07 | fyrestorm | but now it seems like its going back to normal |
| 14:45:14 | fyrestorm | OGG and FLAC please :) |
| 14:45:21 | * | jpt9 hasn't really used ogg, but now that he isn't on a Mac, using ogg is much easier. |
| 14:45:25 | jpt9 | (VLC on Windows). |
| 14:46:04 | jpt9 | yes, I know, I should run Linux. I was planning to, but Ubuntu wasn't really in a usable state for use on ThinkPad T61 laptops at the beginning of his freshman year of college. |
| 14:47:52 | fyrestorm | gevaerts: very cool |
| 14:49:22 | fyrestorm | question: now that im in usb through rockbox, how do i go about updating to a new build? |
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| 14:49:29 | GodEater | same way you always do |
| 14:49:34 | GodEater | unzip a rockbox.zip to the drive |
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| 14:49:44 | fyrestorm | nothing is in use? |
| 14:49:53 | GodEater | it's all in memory |
| 14:50:04 | fyrestorm | and when i unplug it from usb? |
| 14:50:10 | fyrestorm | just restart? |
| 14:50:14 | GodEater | yep |
| 14:50:17 | fyrestorm | neat |
| 14:50:27 | GodEater | eventually we should get ROLO working |
| 14:50:38 | GodEater | it doesn't on the iPod for some reason at the moment |
| 14:50:42 | fyrestorm | hey, this is a big step |
| 14:52:33 | fyrestorm | oh now i have a recycle bin on my ipod |
| 14:53:07 | GodEater | you should be able to change that in the drive properties in windows (iirc) |
| 14:53:24 | petur | Recycle Bin properties... |
| 14:53:50 | fyrestorm | got it. |
| 14:55:41 | fyrestorm | anything i should try out? |
| 14:55:49 | GodEater | use it ? |
| 14:55:52 | fyrestorm | i am :D |
| 14:55:58 | fyrestorm | copying some music over |
| 14:56:20 | preglow | GodEater: i think it's meant to not sound promising, the earlier mails did sound promisingm |
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| 14:56:52 | GodEater | preglow: what do you mean? They're downplaying it for no reason ? |
| 14:57:27 | preglow | yeah :-) |
| 14:57:31 | n1s | GodEater: afaik rolo is working on ipods but not the detection of a new rockbox.ipod file after connecting. |
| 14:57:35 | * | GodEater hopes so |
| 14:57:43 | GodEater | n1s: I think it's the other way round |
| 14:57:51 | GodEater | it detects the new .ipod, but ROLOing doesn't work |
| 14:57:56 | GodEater | at least, that's what happened last time I tried |
| 14:58:23 | n1s | hmm, i could swear linuxstb said it worked... /me goes digging through the svn log ;) |
| 14:58:39 | GodEater | this was a couple of weeks back |
| 14:58:39 | preglow | rolo works |
| 14:58:43 | GodEater | he may have fixed it since then |
| 14:58:50 | preglow | and has for quite some time |
| 14:59:01 | preglow | hasn't usb fixed detection of new rockbox.ipod yet? |
| 14:59:15 | preglow | no, it hasn't, i tried it yesterday, that's right |
| 14:59:54 | pixelma | I also thought that RoLo works when used with rockbox.ipod but it couldn't load the OF or something |
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| 15:01:27 | fyrestorm | usb mode doesnt notify you on the player if the disk is in use |
| 15:03:15 | gevaerts | fyrestorm: it doesn't show the USB connect screen ? |
| 15:03:24 | fyrestorm | it does do that |
| 15:03:36 | fyrestorm | but im just comparing it to emergency mode |
| 15:03:41 | fyrestorm | like, the disk icon |
| 15:03:46 | fyrestorm | on the top right |
| 15:03:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | fyrestorm: you own an iPod, I assume. |
| 15:04:02 | fyrestorm | right |
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| 15:04:07 | * | gevaerts doesn't have an ipod, but thinks he understands anyway |
| 15:04:30 | fyrestorm | when the disk is in use, youll see an animated icon |
| 15:05:00 | amiconn | Rockbox also has a disk activity icon. It's just not animated |
| 15:05:05 | fyrestorm | right |
| 15:05:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | But it's there, and you can tell when the disk is being accessed if you see it. |
| 15:06:07 | n1s | wasn't there a suggestion about enabling the statusbar in usb screen so that one could see battery status, etc (which would also bring the disk activity icon) |
| 15:06:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | Even some WPS themes have a disk icon or some kind of indicator that the disk is being accessed. |
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| 15:07:50 | fyrestorm | my ipod keeps restarting everytime i try to build a database |
| 15:08:17 | alterego | do you ever throw anything out that is absolutely valuable and delicious to eat like chicken wings? |
| 15:08:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | alterego: No, but we do warn people to keep it on-topic in this channel. |
| 15:08:48 | fyrestorm | and the battery reports as depleted |
| 15:09:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | fyrestorm: That's strange. Which iPod do you have? |
| 15:09:14 | fyrestorm | 5th gen |
| 15:09:17 | gevaerts | I can probably provide data on usb bandwidth usage and host disk in-use status. From those someone can probably show some nice status icons in the user interface |
| 15:09:19 | fyrestorm | 30gb |
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| 15:09:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | 5.5G here, 30GB. |
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| 15:10:30 | gevaerts | fyrestorm: can you try with a standard build, just in case ? I doubt if the USB stack work can cause this, but maybe I did something wrong with the build |
| 15:10:39 | fyrestorm | sure |
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| 15:11:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ah, so that's what that was. :P |
| 15:11:13 | * | LambdaCalculus37 should read the logs next time ;) |
| 15:11:38 | fyrestorm | wait no |
| 15:11:46 | fyrestorm | im wrong about disk activity |
| 15:11:50 | fyrestorm | i see the icon now |
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| 15:16:01 | GodEater | it just flicks on and off |
| 15:16:06 | GodEater | it's no on continuously |
| 15:16:10 | GodEater | s/no/not |
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| 15:17:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | But at least you know when it's accessing the disk. |
| 15:17:08 | fyrestorm | yeah |
| 15:17:22 | fyrestorm | i didnt see it before when i was deleting files |
| 15:17:36 | amiconn | n1s: Statusbar is displayed in the usb screen... |
| 15:19:09 | preglow | anyone know how charging works in rockbox now, btw? didn't rockbox charge slower than retailos before? |
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| 15:19:46 | preglow | speaking ipods here |
| 15:20:05 | * | DerPapst 's ipod can't speak... |
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| 15:24:36 | pixelma | DerPapst: turn on the voice UI ;) |
| 15:25:46 | alterego | does it ever bother you if people give you things when you aren't even ready? |
| 15:26:22 | DerPapst | pixelma: nah.. that'd be too easy ;-) |
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| 15:27:22 | preglow | DerPapst: these can! |
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| 15:35:45 | preglow | according to lsusb, my usb disk claims it needs 2 ma max power... |
| 15:36:03 | preglow | should be a breeze for my nano to power it, then! |
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| 15:39:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | What's a good font to use to properly display Chinese characters? |
| 15:39:36 | fyrestorm | doesnt the cabbie theme support unicode? |
| 15:39:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | I have a co-worker running Rockbox on her iPod nano. |
| 15:41:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | The cabbie theme does have Unicode support, but Unifont is just too damn big. |
| 15:41:38 | fyrestorm | hm |
| 15:41:54 | preglow | is unifont all the unicode fonts we have? :V |
| 15:42:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | We have the Sazanami fonts, but not all Chinese characters display with that. |
| 15:42:41 | preglow | truetype! :D |
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| 15:45:04 | * | LambdaCalculus37 remembered hearing something about working on DejaVu fonts for Rockbox some time back |
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| 15:49:17 | NixerX | Hey will rockbox work on a sansa e250 firmware v1? |
| 15:50:09 | dionoea | it should |
| 15:50:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | NixerX: If the firmware in the Sansa starts with a 1, then the hardware is a v1. |
| 15:50:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | That means you can use Rockbox. |
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| 15:50:59 | NixerX | Thank you. Is there a way / directions to reinstall the Sansa firmware? |
| 15:51:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | NixerX: Ask and you shall receive: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-build.html |
| 15:51:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | Our lovely and fine manual will guide the way. |
| 15:51:29 | hamdiya | hello |
| 15:51:34 | hamdiya | any ETA on the viewports? |
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| 15:52:15 | kugel | gevaerts: excellent work |
| 15:52:15 | NixerX | LambdaCalculus37, nice! |
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| 15:54:24 | NixerX | LambdaCalculus37, last thing. Usng the utlity, I set the mount point to the drive (f:) but it says "no sansa found". |
| 15:54:30 | NixerX | What am I doing wrong? |
| 15:54:50 | pixelma | is your Sansa in MSC mode? |
| 15:54:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | Is your Sansa set to use MSC mode? |
| 15:55:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Wow, same time. :) |
| 15:55:16 | NixerX | lol. I see it as drives...is that MSC ,pde |
| 15:55:19 | gevaerts | kugel: thanks |
| 15:55:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | That's MSC mode. |
| 15:55:39 | NixerX | Is that bad? |
| 15:55:47 | kugel | gevaerts: I saw you have svn commit access now, I wonder why your real name isn't stated |
| 15:55:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | No, that's good. You want MSC mode. |
| 15:55:54 | NixerX | ok. |
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| 15:56:13 | NixerX | I have a MicroSd card in too |
| 15:56:14 | petur | kugel: the script isn't up to date yet it seems |
| 15:56:35 | pixelma | kugel: because the front page script... |
| 15:56:42 | kugel | ah ok |
| 15:56:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | NixerX: Try using the options on the second tab of RBUtil. |
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| 15:57:35 | NixerX | LambdaCalculus37, installing the boot loader says no sansa found. |
| 15:57:40 | pixelma | NixerX: and you run rbutil as root/with administrator rights? |
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| 15:58:02 | NixerX | pixelma, yes, I am |
| 15:58:07 | kugel | I'm a bit dissapointed that I couldn't help testing the USB stuff intensivly, since there were allready a decent number of sansa users testing it. But that doesn't overcome my happyness that it's working now |
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| 15:59:28 | NixerX | My mouse disapeard :) |
| 15:59:46 | NixerX | Vists is sh!t |
| 15:59:53 | NixerX | *vista* :) |
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| 16:00:03 | petur | Kugel: the name translation works partially, see http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-20080221T115931Z.html |
| 16:00:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | NixerX: I feel your pain, but let's get back to installation. |
| 16:00:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | If RBUtil isn't working, we'll do it manually. |
| 16:00:19 | NixerX | LambdaCalculus37, ok. |
| 16:00:25 | NixerX | ok. |
| 16:00:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | Download this: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/sansapatcher/win32/sansapatcher.exe |
| 16:00:45 | kugel | petur: ah ok |
| 16:00:46 | pixelma | ah, Vista. There was something about a user access setting in vista, though I don't remember exactly what it was |
| 16:01:16 | NixerX | pixelma,I killed UAC along time ago |
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| 16:03:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | NixerX: Can you download a build of Rockbox for your Sansa and extract it to the root of the device? http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-sansae200/rockbox.zip |
| 16:03:31 | NixerX | ok. 1 sec |
| 16:03:39 | NixerX | doin it now. |
| 16:04:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | You should have a .rockbox folder in the Sansa when you're done. |
| 16:04:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | Note the . in the folder name. |
| 16:05:17 | NixerX | ok. |
| 16:05:42 | NixerX | LambdaCalculus37, I restarted my sansa and the util is working now. |
| 16:06:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | Okay, then install the bootloader. |
| 16:06:21 | NixerX | Ok. |
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| 16:06:42 | NixerX | Do you think this would work for the e250r's? I have freinds that have them. |
| 16:06:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | Rockbox will work on the R series, but the install instructions are different. |
| 16:07:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | It's a little trickier to do. |
| 16:07:42 | NixerX | Well this util is frikkin sweet. |
| 16:08:09 | NixerX | HOw big of a MicroSD can I stick in this thing? 8g? |
| 16:08:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | Up to 32GB, in theory. |
| 16:08:41 | NixerX | very nice....who needs an Ipod :) |
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| 16:09:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | The people who have that and only that as their DAP. :) |
| 16:09:23 | NixerX | Ok ok....very PC :) |
| 16:09:37 | NixerX | So once I reboot the sansa thats it? |
| 16:10:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes, it should should the SanDisk logo, then the Rockbox splash will appear. |
| 16:10:20 | NixerX | bingo mate...thanks |
| 16:10:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | Tell us if it works. |
| 16:10:44 | NixerX | its working great...as far as booting :) |
| 16:11:19 | NixerX | Themes work. |
| 16:11:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | Try playing a song or two. |
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| 16:11:51 | NixerX | fonts work. |
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| 16:12:38 | aliask | jhMikeS, Nico_P: I have begun documenting the MC13783 registers over at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MC13783Regs |
| 16:12:54 | aliask | Hopefully some useful stuff in there. |
| 16:12:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | NixerX: Sounds like we have a successful install on our hands. :) |
| 16:13:37 | NixerX | Many thanks! |
| 16:13:57 | * | LambdaCalculus37 gives NixerX the Power of Rockbox! |
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| 16:26:21 | NixerX | LambdaCalculus37, should i be able to access the storage on the sansa while rockbox is on? |
| 16:27:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | Our USB stack still needs to be finished, so for now, you have to use the original firmware. |
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| 16:27:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | You can still access it by pressing |<< as you turn your Sansa on. |
| 16:28:08 | NixerX | ok. |
| 16:28:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | Once our USB stack is completed, you'll never have to look at the original firmware ever again. :) |
| 16:29:09 | NixerX | That will be awesome... time line? |
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| 16:29:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | You'll see the announcement on the front page of http://www.rockbox.org |
| 16:29:54 | NixerX | Thanks again. |
| 16:30:22 | * | LambdaCalculus37 goes for coffee |
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| 16:34:45 | fyrestorm | ok, trying to build a database in the new build is really draining my battery in rockbox |
| 16:34:56 | fyrestorm | ive never seen it do this before |
| 16:34:57 | fyrestorm | heh |
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| 16:39:16 | hamdiya | hello |
| 16:39:21 | hamdiya | question for the gurus here :P |
| 16:39:29 | hamdiya | can i change the font color for a wps |
| 16:41:17 | GodEater | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15552.msg115910 <−− if you're so tech saavy - why do something so dumb ? |
| 16:42:02 | petur | lol |
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| 16:43:33 | hamdiya | you should post that |
| 16:43:36 | hamdiya | :D |
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| 16:50:23 | preglow | spleesh |
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| 16:51:55 | hamdiya | GodEather: is it possible to change the font color for a wps? |
| 16:52:21 | GodEater | the wps font colour is the same as the the currently configured foreground colour |
| 16:53:08 | hamdiya | soo, it's user configured? |
| 16:53:23 | GodEater | again, you can configure it in the .cfg you ship with your theme |
| 16:53:27 | GodEater | most theme authors do |
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| 16:53:45 | hamdiya | im just making a wps atm |
| 16:54:26 | GodEater | then you can't change the colour |
| 16:55:24 | hamdiya | out of curiosity, is the wps the hardest part in making a theme? |
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| 16:56:40 | GodEater | depends how you define "hard" |
| 16:57:14 | hamdiya | "hardest part" |
| 16:57:32 | hamdiya | as in |
| 16:57:45 | hamdiya | the other stuff are easier than the wps |
| 16:58:13 | GodEater | yes, but what do you consider the "wps"? Just the text file? Or the images it's loading? |
| 16:58:28 | hamdiya | both |
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| 17:00:54 | GodEater | well I personally find the text file part a doddle, and the images mind numbingly difficult - but that's because I've all the art skills of a quadraplegic oranutang |
| 17:03:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hahaha! |
| 17:07:21 | gevaerts | Am I right in my understanding that SYS_EVENTs are distinguished by local events by having some higher bits set, so using "small" numbers for local events is safe ? |
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| 17:13:14 | * | linuxstb has now fixed his build server... |
| 17:13:19 | GodEater | yay |
| 17:13:39 | GodEater | back from Cairo now ? |
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| 17:20:49 | hamdiya | GodEater:is there a quickway to reload the wps in the simulator |
| 17:21:13 | GodEater | why keep asking me ? |
| 17:21:18 | GodEater | I don't do wps work.... |
| 17:21:38 | hamdiya | i know, but ur theonly one here |
| 17:21:45 | GodEater | 144 total... |
| 17:21:53 | hamdiya | no one replies |
| 17:22:11 | hamdiya | if ur busy, tell me |
| 17:22:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | hamdiya: Oi oi, no shorthanding. Say "you're" or "you are", not "ur". |
| 17:22:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | Please think of the visually impaired and our foreign visitors. |
| 17:23:09 | hamdiya | ops sry |
| 17:23:15 | hamdiya | wont happen again |
| 17:23:23 | hamdiya | sorry* |
| 17:24:38 | rasher | hamdiya: I'm pretty sure the only way to reload is to open the theme file. You could browse to the theme theme dir and switch back and forth between the wps and file browser (depending on which target you're using, it's usually the "select" button to go from wps->filebrowser and "play" button to go from filebrowser->wps |
| 17:25:16 | hamdiya | rasher:im actually using a simulator for the moment |
| 17:25:32 | hamdiya | i usually just goto the menu and reload the wps |
| 17:25:36 | rasher | hamdiya: yeah but there are still differences in button layout depending on which target you're simulating |
| 17:26:22 | hamdiya | will the file manager remember my previous location? |
| 17:26:45 | hamdiya | hey thanks! |
| 17:29:25 | linuxstb | I normally just close the sim, and re-open it (with resume enabled) |
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| 18:22:56 | * | Nico_P want to try to fix FS #8215 but can't repro |
| 18:23:09 | Nico_P | neither on the sim nor on the ipod |
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| 18:32:30 | kfazz | anybody know how to read from usb-serial? using cat /dev/ttyUSB0 hardlocks my computer. haven't tried without storage enabled though. |
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| 18:37:43 | w1ll14m | i have a question... |
| 18:37:59 | w1ll14m | when i have my eq on, i can't change the volume of an ogg song.... is that correct ? |
| 18:38:36 | Domonoky | w1ll14m: that doesnt sound correct.. |
| 18:38:45 | w1ll14m | hmm strange... |
| 18:39:33 | Llorean | is this with an official build? |
| 18:40:22 | w1ll14m | no it's not an official build.... |
| 18:40:34 | w1ll14m | that's why i'n not whining about it ;) |
| 18:40:41 | w1ll14m | just asking if it was normal ;) |
| 18:40:51 | Llorean | You could test with an official build first, then ask. |
| 18:40:53 | Llorean | As per the usual guidelines |
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| 18:41:23 | w1ll14m | yeah, you're right... i should have done that first... |
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| 18:48:17 | pondlife | Nico_P: I've not been able to reproduce either the bookmark, or resume issues |
| 18:48:23 | pondlife | They sound very similar |
| 18:48:37 | Nico_P | pondlife: were you ever able to? |
| 18:48:41 | pondlife | No |
| 18:48:44 | Nico_P | ah |
| 18:48:47 | pondlife | On H300 or sim |
| 18:48:57 | Nico_P | I don't even get the audio skipping :( |
| 18:49:07 | pondlife | I've been using long files, but all CBR MP3 |
| 18:49:20 | pondlife | Have you tried with long OGGs? |
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| 18:49:33 | Nico_P | no |
| 18:49:47 | Nico_P | I don't have any but I have a few AAC podcasts |
| 18:50:33 | pondlife | It seems to be reproducible for some people.. you know - the people who lust after r16099 |
| 18:50:35 | pondlife | ;) |
| 18:50:54 | pondlife | p.s. I've not forgotten that hard disk, just been very very busy |
| 18:51:08 | Nico_P | no worry |
| 18:54:42 | * | gevaerts is trying to find his way in a maze of usb states |
| 18:55:03 | * | pondlife draws a diagram |
| 18:56:01 | * | scorche|sh hands gevaerts to keep the grues away |
| 18:56:15 | * | scorche|sh adds "a lantern" tot he above statement |
| 18:56:46 | * | JdGordon|w offers a freeking gps and lazers and shit to make it slightly easier than just a boring lantern |
| 18:57:25 | JdGordon|w | although.. i can understand hwy scorche only offered a lantern.... not helping in the bank heist means he doesnt have quite as much disposble moneys needing laundering |
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| 18:58:08 | * | gevaerts tries some magic words and gets a linker error : undefined reference to `xyzzy' |
| 18:58:33 | cars | Hello, how long should it take to boot Rockbox on a 2gen Ipod? The Rockbox splash screen is showing and the hard drive is active but it's been like that for a few minutes. |
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| 19:00:33 | Domonoky | not this long, only a few seconds.. |
| 19:00:54 | cars | OK. I've probably run into a problem installing it, then. .I'll head back to the documentation and try it all again. |
| 19:01:08 | gevaerts | Try checking the filesystem |
| 19:01:21 | w1ll14m | might be a few bad blocks ? |
| 19:01:39 | w1ll14m | i've had a problem like that.... |
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| 19:01:59 | w1ll14m | and my harddisk had a lot bad blocks.... |
| 19:02:05 | w1ll14m | so i had to threw the disk away... |
| 19:02:26 | w1ll14m | and took my old ipod 5g 30GB harddisk and it worked like a charm again |
| 19:03:33 | cars | That's good that you got it working, but I haven't had any problems using the default apple firmware yet, so I hope that's not what it is. |
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| 19:04:07 | w1ll14m | i don't hope so too, also my apple os was running just fine.... |
| 19:04:30 | w1ll14m | only rockbox won't boot and music was unreadable |
| 19:04:54 | cars | Were you able to go back to the Apple OS for it to work? |
| 19:05:00 | w1ll14m | first time running rockbox on that device ? |
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| 19:05:04 | cars | Yeah. |
| 19:05:09 | w1ll14m | aha... |
| 19:05:38 | w1ll14m | i could load my OF, but it won't play songs... because of my disk had a lot of badblocks.... |
| 19:05:48 | gevaerts | Is there an easy way to find out what #defines like HAVE_MMC mean ? |
| 19:06:16 | * | Llorean resists saying "It has an MMC slot" because he's sure that's not what's being asked. :) |
| 19:06:20 | cars | w1ll14m: No bad blocks according to windows. |
| 19:06:31 | w1ll14m | hmm .... |
| 19:06:37 | * | gevaerts meant that as an example. |
| 19:06:45 | Nico_P | pondlife: long AAC podcasts resume fine too :( |
| 19:06:47 | w1ll14m | then it's probably something else ;) |
| 19:07:06 | pondlife | Nico_P: OGG or FLAC seem to be named most in reports. |
| 19:07:11 | Nico_P | and I still can't get that damn skipping issue |
| 19:07:18 | cars | w1ll14m: Good, I guess. :) |
| 19:07:20 | Llorean | gevaerts: I don't know if there's any central reference for them, sorry. =/ |
| 19:07:43 | Nico_P | pondlife: ah amiconn did have some FLAC files but I tried them out and didn't see any problems. do they have to be long? |
| 19:07:46 | w1ll14m | cars, are you using a fresh build ? |
| 19:07:47 | Llorean | pondlife: Meaning maybe something in the metadata parser instead, somehow? |
| 19:08:07 | pondlife | Maybe a race where the metadata isn't always ready on time? |
| 19:08:39 | cars | w1ll14m: Current build, yes. |
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| 19:08:56 | pondlife | People report that the position bar initially appears correct (i.e. during the track) but then either resets to the start, or other weirdness - like rerurning to the browser |
| 19:08:58 | scorche|sh | perhaps it is a good time to make an IfDef wikipage to keep track of them... |
| 19:08:58 | Nico_P | Llorean, pondlife: could be |
| 19:09:16 | Nico_P | returning to the browser is often a sign of codec error |
| 19:09:17 | JdGordon|w | gevaerts: no :( HAVE_MMC is the ondio which has an external MMC slot |
| 19:09:27 | w1ll14m | cars: hmm strange |
| 19:10:04 | gevaerts | I guess the Ondio SP uses a hardware USB bridge ? |
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| 19:10:38 | rasher | gevaerts: correct |
| 19:10:44 | w1ll14m | cars: maybe try to reinstall the bootloader... i don't have much experiance with 2nd gen |
| 19:10:48 | * | gevaerts is trying to integrate the full usb stack cleanly in usb.c, preferably without breaking other players |
| 19:12:51 | cars | w1ll14m: If I get the splash screen, hasn't the boot loader already done its thing? I assume Rockbox is linux-based, right? |
| 19:13:01 | * | Nico_P is cursed with the inability to make bugs appear |
| 19:13:05 | scorche|sh | cars: it isnt |
| 19:13:05 | pondlife | cars: You assume wrong |
| 19:13:16 | cars | I stand corrected. |
| 19:13:20 | w1ll14m | i won't repeat the rest ;) |
| 19:13:22 | * | gevaerts wants to borrow Nico_P's curse |
| 19:13:40 | Llorean | cars: Which splash screen do you get? |
| 19:13:40 | Nico_P | gevaerts: it's not a good one, believe me |
| 19:14:18 | gevaerts | Nico_P: depends on what 'appears' means exactly I guess |
| 19:14:45 | Nico_P | yeah. I meant "reproduce bugs that I know exist" |
| 19:15:08 | * | gevaerts doesn't want that curse after all |
| 19:15:46 | cars | Llorean: The one that says Rockbox in a graphic at the top and Ver. r16360-080220 at the bottom. |
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| 19:17:11 | Nico_P | the UI feels really sluggish when the CPU isn't boosted |
| 19:18:38 | pondlife | Nico_P: Do you have a Sansa? |
| 19:18:45 | Nico_P | no |
| 19:18:53 | pondlife | That might be the reason for the curse |
| 19:18:56 | JdGordon|w | gevaerts: if its easier, split it up into usb-hw.c and usb-sw.c ? |
| 19:18:56 | Nico_P | speaking about the ipod video here |
| 19:19:14 | Nico_P | I thought the video 80 GB was the most buggy target |
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| 19:19:48 | Llorean | cars: Okay, that's the proper boot screen, and it means you got past the bootloader. Which bootloader did you install, and what method did you use to install it? |
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| 19:20:12 | pondlife | I suspect that somehow the flash players may react differently when buffering. Timing and stuff. |
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| 19:20:36 | gevaerts | JdGordon|w: that might be a good idea. It would certainly reduce the risk of breaking things. |
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| 19:21:45 | star_jasmine | hi... I have a few questions. in today's changelog, I understand that sapi 4 voices can now be created. I am using cygwin, and wondered how to do this. |
| 19:22:24 | star_jasmine | my next question is about the usb mode in rockbox. #define USE_ROCKBOX_USB is required to enable it. where do I put this string? |
| 19:23:24 | Nico_P | pondlife: then I might need to get my hands on a sansa |
| 19:23:29 | cars | Llorean: I've tried both the Utility install and the manual install with the same result each time. I restored completely via itunes between reinstalls. Currently, I'm using the Utility install and installing the bootloader using that. |
| 19:23:43 | pondlife | Nico_P: I've been thinking the same |
| 19:23:52 | pondlife | I have no PP targets, and no flash targets |
| 19:23:59 | Nico_P | that I need one? :p |
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| 19:25:31 | pondlife | Nico_P: Haha, of course |
| 19:26:28 | Llorean | cars: I was just making sure you weren't using Loader2 or anything like that. I don't know, really, at this point. |
| 19:27:56 | cars | I found a similar issue in the "Ipod install went wrong" thread which suggested deleting a config file in the .rockbox directory and rebooting. |
| 19:28:23 | cars | I could try that, but, as stated in the thread, it's better to find out what the problem is and how to fix it than simply use a workaround. |
| 19:28:33 | w1ll14m | once the bootloader has loaded... you can switch to hold.. which also should clear the config |
| 19:29:32 | cars | w1ll14m: so immediately after I see the Rockbox splash, turn hold on and leave it on? |
| 19:30:01 | Llorean | cars: Before that |
| 19:30:22 | w1ll14m | but not to early, then it will load OF |
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| 19:30:26 | Llorean | cars: There should be a point after the apple logo appears, when the backlight turns on. Shortly after that, but before the Rockbox logo, should be the right time |
| 19:30:38 | gevaerts | Can I assume that all PP502x devices will use software usb ? |
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| 19:30:59 | cars | Llorean: OK. I'll try that. |
| 19:31:27 | pondlife | gevaerts: Yes, but I'd think it should be a different #ifdef trigger (in case you were thinking of cheating) |
| 19:31:37 | DerPapst | Llorean: while speaking of loader 2.... can you add a link to the official iPodLinux wiki page for Loader 2 http://ipodlinux.org/Loader_2 to your post here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9658.0 |
| 19:32:47 | cars | Llorean: There's no delay between the Apple logo and the Rockbox one. |
| 19:32:55 | gevaerts | pondlife: I'm mainly thinking about how usb_detect() in usb-fw-pp502x.c (specifically) needs to behave. |
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| 19:33:17 | DerPapst | Llorean: and maybe add a note that when they have problems with intalling it that they should posts their questions in the ipl forums |
| 19:33:30 | DerPapst | Llorean: thanks |
| 19:34:15 | gevaerts | pondlife: I think there are already more than enough #ifdefs that test for the wrong #define |
| 19:34:16 | cars | Llorean: Is there a file I can simply erase in the rockbox directory that will get rid of the config instead? |
| 19:34:26 | pondlife | gevaerts: Indeed :) |
| 19:34:44 | JdGordon|w | gevaerts: can usb be as a usb serial host? |
| 19:35:18 | gevaerts | JdGordon|w: as opposed to device ? That would require full OTG support. |
| 19:35:24 | w1ll14m | cars: there should be a config file in .rockbox |
| 19:35:34 | w1ll14m | if you remove it rockbox will create a new one |
| 19:36:02 | JdGordon|w | gevaerts: yes, damn, is that possible to add? |
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| 19:36:16 | w1ll14m | cars: i forgot the config file name |
| 19:36:18 | cars | w1ll14m: I see tagnavi.config and viewers.config. Is it either of those? |
| 19:36:26 | w1ll14m | cars: nope, |
| 19:36:40 | w1ll14m | not one of those |
| 19:36:45 | JdGordon|w | config.cfg |
| 19:36:54 | w1ll14m | yeah that's it |
| 19:37:02 | gevaerts | JdGordon|w: in theory yes, but it would need a new driver. |
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| 19:37:33 | gevaerts | JdGordon|w: Lots of people seem to want it, so it should be easy to find volunteers for that ;-) |
| 19:37:36 | * | JdGordon|w likes not hearing no :) |
| 19:38:05 | pondlife | Not many people have commented on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MenuLayoutDiscussion |
| 19:38:21 | JdGordon|w | also, you have ums and usb serial device right? can they both be active at the same time (i assume not?) so do we need a way to decide which mode to put usb into? |
| 19:38:23 | cars | w1ll14m: That file doesn't exist, which seems to me that it freezes before it's able to make the .cfg file. |
| 19:38:35 | pondlife | I really like the new layout - and MarcGuay has good attention to detail |
| 19:38:40 | w1ll14m | cars: it seems like it |
| 19:39:16 | w1ll14m | pondlife: i like the way the menu's work at the moment ;) |
| 19:39:20 | Llorean | DerPapst: Done |
| 19:39:43 | pondlife | w1ll14m: I don't mind, but it could be better |
| 19:39:43 | DerPapst | Llorean: thank you :-) |
| 19:39:44 | Llorean | cars: It won't make a .cfg file during booting anyway. You have to change some settings first, and it sounds like you've never gotten it to boot |
| 19:39:55 | linuxstb | cars: Unless it's been fixed, I think you've just hit the common 2nd gen (and 1st/3rd gen) ipod bug - certain Rockbox builds freeze for an unknown reason. The solution is just to try different builds until you find one that works. |
| 19:40:02 | pixelma | cars: just reading the logs a bit, still have a problem on your 2nd gen Ipod? You might suffer from a problem with the early Ipods currently, see here http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14228.msg106755#msg106755 |
| 19:40:30 | gevaerts | JdGordon|w: they can be active at the same time. It works in linux, but windows didn't seem to see the serial device. Phill has a WIP patch to add logf() support to this, but I haven't seen that yet |
| 19:41:17 | DerPapst | Llorean: not sure if it's a typo... "Then, as you may have noticed it's at ipodlinux, you should go to their forums and seek support for it their" last word has to be "there"? |
| 19:41:30 | pixelma | cars: though that post hasn't been updated for a while, I'd try different different daily builds (builds page > daily builds > "older") |
| 19:41:39 | Llorean | DerPapst: It should be, yes. |
| 19:42:13 | Llorean | DerPapst: I was thinking "you should seek their support" vs "you should seek support there" and managed to get them both wrong. |
| 19:42:54 | DerPapst | hehe :-) |
| 19:43:02 | DerPapst | brb |
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| 19:43:40 | gevaerts | JdGordon|w: Part of my current work is making what usb class drivers actually get enabled runtime selectable |
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| 19:46:20 | JdGordon|w | gevaerts: ok, If you need a gui done let me know... (even adding a simple menu option for this can be a PITA) |
| 19:48:17 | cars | pixelma: Thanks, I'll try that. Can I simply delete the .rockbox directory and unzip the files, or do I have to go through the whole install each time? |
| 19:49:03 | Llorean | pondlife: Note in the forums: Please try to type "reproduce" rather than "repro", for the same reasons we always say. :) |
| 19:49:13 | gevaerts | JdGordon|w: Thanks. I don't really need one yet (I can use #defines just fine), but we will need something eventually. I guess the first requirement will be a debug setting to enable usb-serial logf() output (which will enable usb-serial at the same time) |
| 19:49:14 | pondlife | Ah, ok |
| 19:49:28 | pondlife | I use repro all the time as a word ;) |
| 19:49:34 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 19:50:07 | JdGordon|w | gevaerts: yeah, but eventually it might be nice to switch them in the same binary |
| 19:50:36 | pixelma | cars: the usual "update" method is just to unzip the new version over the old one, with a good unzip tool you don't even have to delete the old files (in your case the build is older but the installation is the same) |
| 19:53:48 | gevaerts | JdGordon|w: Maybe we van start with debug menu entries to enable/disable storage and serial. If people find this useful (or we get more class drivers) it can be moved to settings later. |
| 19:54:20 | rasher | Audio! |
| 19:54:30 | Llorean | They should definitely be in "Debug" as long as the only "User" one is UMS |
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| 19:55:49 | pondlife | rasher: ?# |
| 19:56:12 | rasher | pondlife: gevaerts mentioned "more class drivers" - I just suggested audio as the obvious one to add. |
| 19:56:20 | pondlife | Ah |
| 19:56:27 | gevaerts | rasher: go ahead ! We can't enable audio at the same time as anything else though. It needs two sets of endpoints, which is all the chip provides. |
| 19:57:13 | pondlife | Slasheri: I'm able to reproduce a nice click when I start playback... and it's caused by crossfade :) |
| 19:57:19 | * | gevaerts proposes HID, so people used to rockbox doom can play doom on their PC with the same keys |
| 19:57:20 | pixelma | cars: and you probably don't need to go through the complete installation process, it seems the bootloader is installed correctly so you only need to install a new build |
| 19:57:30 | rasher | Though I'm not sure what the point of using your DAP as sound card would be |
| 19:58:00 | JdGordon|w | coz you can?! |
| 19:58:36 | rasher | gevaerts: I guess that's the other class that might make the slightest bit of sense |
| 19:58:44 | gevaerts | Because you have a laptop without sound jack, and you want to use your headphones ? |
| 19:58:48 | Domonoky | unfortunatly the h1x0 players dont have software USB, or else you would have a soundcard with digital in/out :-) |
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| 19:59:13 | * | Llorean looks forward to all this on the Gigabeast |
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| 19:59:32 | Llorean | The Gigabeat S comes with an adapter to convert its mini USB jack into a normal sized one. |
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| 20:00:28 | Domonoky | the audio class could be interesting for players with fm radio :-) |
| 20:01:00 | gevaerts | Are there actually players with an fm radio that has decent reception ? |
| 20:01:10 | pondlife | H300 is fine |
| 20:01:18 | JdGordon|w | with the headphones plugged in it can be ok reception |
| 20:01:27 | n1s | we obviously need a USB host driver too :) |
| 20:01:42 | rasher | Neither the h120 or the e200's FM was of any use to me |
| 20:01:43 | Llorean | gevaerts: My e200, c200, and H100 all get decent reception where I used to live. |
| 20:01:47 | * | JdGordon|w just wants serial host :D |
| 20:02:14 | JdGordon|w | ... bluetooth usb could be sweet also |
| 20:02:31 | * | JdGordon|w not sure whats needed for that |
| 20:02:31 | pixelma | there is not a big difference wrt reception between my c200 and my OndioFM (uses the same tuner as the irivers), I think it's ok |
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| 20:02:47 | JdGordon|w | control rockbox with my bluetooth headset instead of just the volume |
| 20:02:51 | n1s | JdGordon|w: custom dock with wireless remote! |
| 20:03:37 | n1s | (blutooth dongle + cellphone or similar) :D |
| 20:04:02 | Phill | gevaerts: I posted the logf usb-serial patch at http://pastebin.ca/911624 −− it's a bit messy as I wasn't sure how best to determine the usb-serial was ready, so just assume it is when the first bit of data is recevied on the serial port. There are probably a lot more problems than that, but I'm too busy to work on it more at the moment. |
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| 20:06:39 | gevaerts | Phill: thanks. I'll have a look at it once I get my usb connection working again (I'm in the middle of some code rework) |
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| 20:08:08 | Phill | gevaerts: no problem. Hopefully it's of a bit of use! |
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| 20:13:08 | fliegenderfrosch | I would like to apply the RTC-Mod to my iriver H140, which requires a manual build. As I haven't done that before, I would like to load the new build to the player BEFORE modding it. Is there a problem if I use Rockbox with the RTC-Mod enabled with a player without the RTC-Mod? |
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| 20:15:17 | JdGordon|w | iirc that patch does work in a non modded h100 fine |
| 20:15:41 | Llorean | Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's okay. If it's not, it can't do any permanent harm, you'd just need to roll back. |
| 20:16:21 | fliegenderfrosch | OK, thanks, I'll try it. |
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| 20:17:52 | cars | Thanks for your help, guys! It's working now, and seems to be the 2g bug that pixelma mentioned. I'm running the build from 2/17. |
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| 20:19:01 | pixelma | nice you got it working (btw. linuxstb also mentioned it) :) |
| 20:19:20 | cars | Thanks linuxstb as well! |
| 20:20:01 | Phill | gevaerts: I'm not sure if you've observed this, but with the code in svn, only about 50% of letters of letters sent to my e200 via serial get echoed back with the case changed. The rest just get echoed back as they were. |
| 20:20:20 | BigBambi | Does the new USB stack work on H10 if enabled? |
| 20:20:26 | fyrestorm | ipod doesnt seem to charge with new usb stack code |
| 20:20:32 | * | BigBambi is making sure before answering a forum thread |
| 20:20:42 | BigBambi | I think so, but you never know |
| 20:21:20 | fyrestorm | charges if i put it in emergency disk mode, though |
| 20:21:54 | pixelma | BigBambi: I _think_ I read in the logs that amiconn tested it yesterday (or in the night) but if you want to make sure... |
| 20:22:08 | BigBambi | fyrestorm: How is emergency disk mode related in the slightest? |
| 20:22:17 | BigBambi | pixelma: OK, cheers |
| 20:22:45 | Llorean | BigBambi: I guess it means "The hardware still charges" |
| 20:22:50 | fyrestorm | BigBambi: ipod with rockbox usually reboots to emergency disk mode to access the hd |
| 20:23:09 | fyrestorm | it doesnt charge when im in usb mode in rockbox |
| 20:23:45 | BigBambi | fyrestorm: I know, but the emergency disk mode is Apple code, not rockbox. So apart from confirming that your hardware still works... |
| 20:23:54 | BigBambi | pixelma: Yes he did and yes it does |
| 20:24:03 | perrikwp | fyrestorm: I have found that it doesn't charge while writing, but if it is idle it does charge |
| 20:24:21 | perrikwp | at least with my testing on the new usb code |
| 20:24:27 | pixelma | BigBambi: :) |
| 20:24:42 | fyrestorm | i left it on for a good 2 hours and so no charge to my battery |
| 20:24:48 | fyrestorm | saw no charge* |
| 20:25:04 | fyrestorm | rebooted it into emergency mode and it charged quick |
| 20:25:26 | BigBambi | fyrestorm: You are aware that emergency disk mode is apple code? |
| 20:25:32 | fyrestorm | ... |
| 20:25:35 | fyrestorm | yes |
| 20:25:43 | BigBambi | OK, lots of people aren't |
| 20:25:53 | fyrestorm | im making a comparison. |
| 20:26:20 | BigBambi | And I don't understand the value of that comparison other than to show the hardware still works |
| 20:26:23 | fyrestorm | that yes, when im in apple mode, it charged. |
| 20:26:36 | fyrestorm | because im using the new usb stack code? |
| 20:26:40 | BigBambi | Since the rockbox code is still under heavy development |
| 20:26:47 | BigBambi | fyrestorm: So? |
| 20:27:01 | fyrestorm | so im reporting what i see? |
| 20:27:05 | Llorean | fyrestorm: How about this: What exactly are you asking for? |
| 20:27:12 | fyrestorm | nothing |
| 20:27:25 | BigBambi | I know, and I don't know what information of any value it gives, and I am trying to find out if there is some |
| 20:27:29 | Llorean | Then why are you here telling us these things. The code is quite incomplete. |
| 20:27:55 | fyrestorm | sorry for trying to help :P |
| 20:28:12 | BigBambi | We know that Apple disk mode works, and gevaerts knows what works in the rockbox USB - thus I don't see what it brings |
| 20:28:14 | Llorean | Well, I don't mean to sound offensive, but if you want to help, try to be clear in what you're saying, and *why* you're saying it. |
| 20:28:23 | BigBambi | fyrestorm: I didn't mean to be offensive at all |
| 20:28:27 | fyrestorm | ok cool |
| 20:28:32 | BigBambi | I just thought I might be missing something |
| 20:28:46 | fyrestorm | no, i was just reporting what i noticed in the past few hours |
| 20:28:57 | fyrestorm | i dont know if you guys know ;P |
| 20:29:16 | BigBambi | fyrestorm: Loads of people thing Apple disk mode is rockbox code, and therefore your question could have been if charging works in one bit of rockbox why doesn't it in another |
| 20:29:21 | BigBambi | s/thing/think |
| 20:29:54 | fyrestorm | i know that, i was just wondering why it wasnt charging in rockbox usb mode. |
| 20:29:59 | * | BigBambi was attempting to clarify, but just succesfully confused everyone instead |
| 20:30:04 | fyrestorm | XD |
| 20:30:05 | BigBambi | fyrestorm: Cos it isn't finished |
| 20:30:16 | BigBambi | That is why you had to change defines and then compile |
| 20:30:23 | BigBambi | (or someone who gave you the build did |
| 20:30:25 | BigBambi | ) |
| 20:30:37 | fyrestorm | gevaerts gave me the build |
| 20:30:43 | BigBambi | And he is the one developing it |
| 20:30:46 | fyrestorm | yes |
| 20:30:58 | BigBambi | Surely it is clear it isn't finished then? |
| 20:31:03 | fyrestorm | so i just wanted to report bug |
| 20:31:09 | fyrestorm | i know its not. |
| 20:31:15 | BigBambi | It isn't a bug |
| 20:31:20 | BigBambi | IT isn't done yet |
| 20:31:27 | BigBambi | there is a big difference |
| 20:31:47 | fyrestorm | well, he said earlier he didnt have an ipod to test with, so i just wanted to throw in feedback |
| 20:31:57 | BigBambi | OK |
| 20:32:05 | BigBambi | fyrestorm: Any way, not an issue |
| 20:32:16 | BigBambi | I'm sorry this got extended so much |
| 20:32:20 | fyrestorm | hahaha |
| 20:32:23 | fyrestorm | ok word |
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| 20:33:15 | BigBambi | heh |
| 20:39:23 | scorche|sh | such a beast as "irc social skills" exists? ;) |
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| 20:55:41 | jayto | hello |
| 20:55:55 | bluebrother | Bagder: I've updated the linux binary of rbutil (link statically against libusb too). Can you move it from http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt-v1.0.4.tar.bz2 to the dl server? |
| 20:56:51 | jayto | when will rockbox be a full stable version? |
| 20:57:08 | BigBambi | jayto: No ETAs |
| 20:57:36 | jayto | eta? |
| 20:57:44 | BigBambi | First define full, then define stable, then and only then, go onto we don't know |
| 20:58:00 | BigBambi | ETA estimated time of arrival |
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| 20:58:13 | jayto | i see |
| 20:58:24 | bluebrother | Rockbox is quite stable ... |
| 20:58:34 | BigBambi | Rockbox is written in spare times by volunteers |
| 20:58:37 | jayto | yes well my dad can't use it he says |
| 20:58:49 | jayto | i have no probem tho |
| 20:58:56 | BigBambi | Unfortunately "real life" gets in the way of people working on it full time |
| 20:59:18 | jayto | well its good to see ppl working one day ill devolop too |
| 20:59:22 | BigBambi | And I find it very stable of the two targets I use most often, gigabeat F and H140 |
| 20:59:26 | bluebrother | if he can't use it ... well, I don't think much people will be sad because of that ;-) |
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| 21:00:00 | fliegenderfrosch | I also have no problems at all on my H140 |
| 21:00:23 | jayto | he has a ipod 4th gen grayscale |
| 21:00:31 | jayto | brb guys dog need to walk |
| 21:00:57 | fliegenderfrosch | I do think though that the interface is more for technical people |
| 21:02:03 | * | gevaerts decides to replace the entire usb detection code for portalplayer by a new interrupt-driven approach |
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| 21:07:00 | * | fliegenderfrosch just created his own Rockbox build and it works. |
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| 21:15:06 | gevaerts | What kind of USB controller does the iRiver h300 have ? |
| 21:15:29 | n1s | hardware thingy |
| 21:15:40 | n1s | or do you mean the host one? |
| 21:16:23 | gevaerts | n1s: I am splitting a new usb-sw.c off of usb.c, for software usb targets, and I want to know if I need to keep support for the H300 in there |
| 21:16:38 | JdGordon|w | no |
| 21:16:54 | petur | the usb host one is an isp1362 |
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| 21:17:13 | n1s | the h300 uses a hardware usb<->ata bridge similar to most of the older targets |
| 21:18:01 | gevaerts | I'm not going to think about host support right now, and the fewer #ifdefs I need in this new code the better |
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| 21:19:49 | * | gevaerts hopes to get working usb with new-style connection handling today. |
| 21:19:56 | BigBambi | coolio |
| 21:21:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts is our hero. :) |
| 21:21:24 | fliegenderfrosch | I'm leaving. I just wanted to say thanks to the Rockbox devs, each time I get a new version, there are more things I like about it. |
| 21:21:26 | jayto | well it mostly has problems trying to get a song to play wile going down the road |
| 21:21:37 | jayto | my dads ipod |
| 21:21:45 | jayto | i hacked it for him |
| 21:21:47 | jayto | i hacked my ipod nano too |
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| 21:21:56 | gevaerts | Just to make sure, do the portalplayer targets automatically charge when usb is connected, or does the current code do something to enable it ? |
| 21:22:02 | jayto | not really hacked jsut loaded rockbox |
| 21:22:10 | cars | Still playing around with this now that it's working. This is amazing. I swear the music sounds better in Rockbox. |
| 21:23:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | cars: You should see the flexibility you have now with sound settings. |
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| 21:24:52 | jayto | and he can't use it im honist i donno what it is |
| 21:25:08 | jayto | he just gets all back out of the menu or pops the contex menu up or |
| 21:25:36 | jayto | i just gota configure it right i guss |
| 21:26:27 | jayto | does rock box fully work on ipods like have all of what the ipods firmware does |
| 21:26:57 | bluebrother | no |
| 21:27:15 | bluebrother | for example, it doesn't have full usb yet. |
| 21:27:22 | jayto | i really want to replace ipods firemware |
| 21:27:25 | jayto | yes i know that |
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| 21:27:45 | scorche|sh | jayto: have you had a look at the manual? |
| 21:27:46 | bluebrother | well, check the manual and see if you're something missing from the appleos. |
| 21:27:58 | jayto | yeah |
| 21:28:02 | cars | It's working on my 2nd gen, however. I checked out Rockbox a couple years ago or so and they didn't have support for it. Now they do. |
| 21:28:09 | jayto | i read it quite a bit |
| 21:28:36 | jayto | umm my 1 gen nano works good |
| 21:28:57 | jayto | its just i donno he keeps hallerin he wants to go back to itunes |
| 21:29:11 | jayto | and i no like them |
| 21:29:52 | jayto | i just have turble finding a music mannager for editing his music tags and updating the songs to his ipode |
| 21:30:27 | jayto | i have to manually edit the filenames and manually copy the files to the folder and replace to old ones |
| 21:30:53 | jayto | but if i do that will it replace to old ones or just put the recent copys ther beside the old ones |
| 21:32:12 | jayto | me i can't store a lot of song on mine its 1 gig so i just dleate and start new |
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| 21:32:46 | scorche|sh | it sounds like you are looking for music management software rather than help with rockbox.. |
| 21:33:01 | jayto | no lol |
| 21:33:09 | jayto | im sorry |
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| 21:33:49 | jayto | i have problems like i was trying to play a song on his but it keeped freaseing |
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| 21:34:16 | jayto | i donno ill figure it out |
| 21:34:19 | Febs | jayto, before you continue, would you kindly take a look at our channel guidelines? http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines |
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| 21:34:26 | jayto | now i know thers good help on the irc chat |
| 21:34:45 | jayto | yeah ill look at that |
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| 21:35:23 | jayto | just i saw no one talkin so i just rambled sorry if i did somting anoying |
| 21:35:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | I already ran Rockbox on my dad's 4G greyscale, and he never had any problems with it, other than short battery life and lack of a USB mode. |
| 21:36:01 | BigBambi | jayto: Please try to type properly, it is very difficult to understand you |
| 21:36:05 | jayto | hmm |
| 21:36:16 | jayto | ok i will |
| 21:36:29 | gevaerts | What does cpu_idle_mode() do ? |
| 21:36:31 | BigBambi | And make sure to read those guidelines, they exist for a reason |
| 21:36:54 | jayto | i understand i pramas ill read them |
| 21:37:20 | BigBambi | *promise (I think), I'll |
| 21:37:35 | jayto | .... |
| 21:37:38 | bluebrother | and btw, if someone doesn't want to use Rockbox, why force him? There is no benefit from that. |
| 21:37:51 | jayto | ive read rules for manny irc rooms |
| 21:38:10 | BigBambi | jayto: We have a lot of blind users that rely on screen readers, and non-native english speakers that rely on translation software. What you just wrote was unintelligible. |
| 21:38:11 | jayto | well his music gets cramed into itunes folder and umm... |
| 21:38:13 | jayto | i was just trying to hel |
| 21:38:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | jayto: Please keep in mind, though, that this is a developer-oriented channel too. |
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| 21:38:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | This is getting logged... all of it. |
| 21:38:38 | BigBambi | jayto: Well please read ours, and PLEASE proof read what you are typing |
| 21:39:54 | jayto | ok i got it now |
| 21:40:24 | cars | LambdaCalculus37, What do you mean when you said, "lack of a USB mode?" |
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| 21:40:54 | BigBambi | cars: Rockbox on portalplayer targets doesn't yet have a native USB mode |
| 21:41:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | cars: We're working on a full, proper USB stack for PortalPlayer targets. Until it's complete, we need to keep using the OF for any USB transfers. |
| 21:41:26 | BigBambi | LambdaCalculus37: The royal 'we' there? :) |
| 21:41:39 | pixelma | I'm not sure it'll help him on a firewire 2nd gen Ipod |
| 21:41:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | BigBambi: :) |
| 21:42:00 | BigBambi | heh, I just jumped in at the last point |
| 21:42:35 | BigBambi | pixelma: But LambdaCalculus37 was talking to jayto saying he had no problems on a 4th gen except those he listed |
| 21:42:48 | BigBambi | which included the lack of USB as of yet |
| 21:43:16 | pixelma | umm... thought you were talking to cars :) |
| 21:43:32 | BigBambi | :) |
| 21:43:45 | cars | LambdaCalculus37: No, it won't help me. I was just curious as to what you meant. On that topic, do I have to shutdown Rockbox before I connect it wifh FW to the computer? |
| 21:44:19 | gevaerts | Speaking of firewire : the pp502x usb detect function also checks for firewire on some (all?) ipods, which triggers a reboot (or maybe charge, if you press the button). I assume that logic is to be kept, but IMHO it has to move somewhere else. |
| 21:44:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | cars: I never used a 1st or 2nd gen iPod with Rockbox, so I can't really tell you. Perhaps someone with a FireWire iPod can help. |
| 21:45:52 | Llorean | gevaerts: Yes, it should be kept in the iPods where it happens. If moving is necessary, then it probably should be moved. |
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| 21:47:04 | cars | It seems to reboot on mine when I connect it. As Rockbox is *not* based on linux, is there any problem with unexpected shutdowns or reboots? |
| 21:47:15 | gevaerts | cars: if that's ipod mini (I don't know ipods...) the code treats that the same as USB plug-in, i.e. it should reboot cleanly to diskmode. |
| 21:47:43 | cars | It's a 2nd gen Ipod from 2002. |
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| 21:48:49 | Llorean | cars: It's not unexpected, I think. It's supposed to. |
| 21:48:54 | preglow | gevaerts: what, you're not going to code us firewire support? :P |
| 21:49:33 | desowin | gevaerts: atleast sansa doesn't charge automagically, and current charging in rockbox doesn't give good results (the battery percentage on screen rapidly goes up to 100, but battery isn't really charged that much) (take note I'm not familiar with usb stuff too much) |
| 21:49:55 | * | gevaerts knows absolutely nothing about firewire, except that it also uses SCSI commands for storage stuff |
| 21:50:28 | gevaerts | desowin: thanks. I guess I'll go through that once everything else works. |
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| 21:53:17 | gevaerts | Llorean: it has to be moved. It currently pretends to get a usb connect, which triggers a reboot (in the old behaviour). |
| 21:53:35 | preglow | gevaerts: not to mention that we know absolutely nothing about the firewire interface |
| 21:53:44 | pixelma | desowin: the voltage is probably measured at the wrong "place", if you insert the charger the battery info debug screen reports impossible values of 4,6 volts and growing |
| 21:53:46 | preglow | though it would not surprise me if that too is taken from some other vendor as well |
| 21:54:01 | bluebrother | preglow: isn't the firewire chip known (at least for some old Ipods)? |
| 21:54:04 | preglow | i wonder who actually provided the usb core part |
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| 21:54:16 | preglow | bluebrother: oh, so it's an entire chip of its own? |
| 21:54:40 | bluebrother | I thought to remember reading it on IPL's wiki |
| 21:54:43 | preglow | bluebrother: then it's different, of course |
| 21:54:53 | * | bluebrother goes checking |
| 21:55:17 | gevaerts | Nearly certainly. I don't think the portalplayer product briefs mention firewire, and it's not something you can implement by toggling GPIOs |
| 21:55:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | Time to go home. Good night! |
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| 21:56:51 | bluebrother | IPL lists TSB41 and TSB43 as FW chips |
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| 21:58:32 | * | bluebrother thinks a "reconfigure" option would be nice. |
| 21:58:57 | JdGordon|w | reconfigure? |
| 21:59:15 | bluebrother | yep, run configure and automatically use the old selection. |
| 21:59:30 | bluebrother | just needed to re-run it because of the lang changes to the build system. |
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| 22:00:28 | JdGordon|w | ok, im probably the laziest person in the room and not even I think htats worth the effort :p |
| 22:01:01 | Bagder | we used to have that |
| 22:01:15 | Bagder | but it was hard to keep working when configure things changed |
| 22:01:32 | bluebrother | too bad :( |
| 22:01:34 | gevaerts | TSB41 and TSB43 seem to have datasheets. Any volunteers ? |
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| 22:02:12 | bluebrother | hmm, my Ipod even has firewire support ... |
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| 22:23:57 | * | gevaerts has now improved the code so much that it doesn't finish booting any more |
| 22:24:17 | dionoea | seems to be the ultimate method to prevent data corruption |
| 22:24:51 | preglow | i don't think my nano even has firewire support |
| 22:24:55 | dionoea | Anyone going to FOSDEM this weekend? |
| 22:25:13 | gevaerts | I might. Not sure yet |
| 22:25:25 | Bagder | I wish I would... |
| 22:27:41 | dionoea | Hum, so I'm not likely to run into many rockbox people :) |
| 22:28:12 | Bagder | what a relief! ;-) |
| 22:28:21 | dionoea | indeed :D |
| 22:29:13 | dionoea | Just in case: I'll be one of the dudes with a "Get VLC!" tshirt. |
| 22:31:02 | * | gevaerts already has vlc |
| 22:34:02 | gevaerts | Does RoLo take always give a clean environment (interrupts,...) ? |
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| 22:43:46 | preglow | hmm |
| 22:43:47 | preglow | good question |
| 22:44:54 | JdGordon|w | RoLo does the full init so it should put it in a stable/known state.. shouldnt it? |
| 22:46:05 | petur | amiconn: I found some interesting comment regarding powermanagement in some open source project: they write that power management is supported if the correct identify bit is on (like we do), and the current setting is other than zero. I haven't seen that last requirement anywhere... |
| 22:47:26 | w1ll14m | i'm thinking about getting some nice headphones, has anyone used a headphone with about 62 Ohms on an rockboxed ipod ? |
| 22:47:35 | gevaerts | JdGordon|w: I hope so. It's just that I get hangs on usb controller init when I do that in the boot sequence. I wondered if they would also happen on real boot (but I don't really want to try that, much more work...) |
| 22:47:56 | scorche|sh | w1ll14m: sorry, but im not sure how exactly this relates to rockbox |
| 22:48:32 | w1ll14m | well, the volume between a normal ipod and a rockboxed ipod differs a lot |
| 22:48:35 | petur | amiconn: nevermind that... |
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| 22:48:50 | w1ll14m | i was wondering if i should even consider this |
| 22:49:02 | preglow | only difference is rockbox goes a bit louder, i think |
| 22:49:14 | scorche|sh | with clipping as the likely price |
| 22:49:23 | preglow | not in eu ipods |
| 22:49:27 | preglow | they're limited lower than that |
| 22:49:30 | scorche|sh | ah yes...the limit |
| 22:50:04 | w1ll14m | what limit ? rockbox goes so loud on my ipod that i could easily blow my ears out... |
| 22:50:19 | w1ll14m | then you would have to deal with clippings as you said... |
| 22:50:37 | scorche|sh | so dont turn it up that loud? |
| 22:50:51 | w1ll14m | i won't... but my ipod is eu.. limit ? |
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| 22:51:29 | scorche|sh | eu devices are limited to a maximum perceived decibel amount |
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| 22:51:42 | w1ll14m | is that a softlimit ? |
| 22:51:44 | scorche|sh | so, yes rockbox will be louder on those devices |
| 22:51:45 | w1ll14m | or a hard one? |
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| 22:52:11 | w1ll14m | aha.... |
| 22:52:14 | * | scorche|sh wonders how volume could be a softlimit |
| 22:52:26 | w1ll14m | the ipod does that standard |
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| 22:52:58 | w1ll14m | they also provide volume correction on special songs... |
| 22:53:44 | w1ll14m | i've read somewhere that you can change the output strength of the dac so it can supply speakers audio instead of a headphone ? |
| 22:54:19 | w1ll14m | or am i wrong ? |
| 22:54:31 | * | gevaerts now gets a USB connect screen on connecting. Things are going the right way |
| 22:54:45 | w1ll14m | btw the new usb stack roXX |
| 22:54:53 | w1ll14m | it worked a little today on my ipod ;) |
| 22:55:17 | scorche|sh | w1ll14m: you mean without an amp?....you are pretty much always going to need another amp for proper speakers |
| 22:55:18 | dionoea | Is it possible to change a partition's uuid? (this isn't really rockbox specific) |
| 22:56:02 | preglow | w1ll14m: some ipods codec chips do support feeding a speaker, yes, but not a big one |
| 22:56:41 | w1ll14m | preglow: then that could solve my problem if i get these *heavy* head phones |
| 22:57:06 | scorche|sh | w1ll14m: so what exactly is the issue you are concerned with? |
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| 22:57:55 | w1ll14m | i'm concerned about spending 299 euro's on an expensive headphones and not beable to listen to these with volumes above -30db |
| 22:58:04 | w1ll14m | because of the clipping |
| 22:58:41 | scorche|sh | 62 Ohms should be just fine |
| 22:58:47 | w1ll14m | Seriously ? |
| 22:58:55 | w1ll14m | that would be nice ;) |
| 22:59:15 | w1ll14m | i'm going to sriously consider this one..... |
| 22:59:22 | scorche|sh | if you were around the 300s you might want to get an amp depending on how you listen... |
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| 23:00:02 | w1ll14m | nice |
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| 23:01:37 | preglow | w1ll14m: no, the chip can only feed _one_ speaker, afaik |
| 23:02:19 | gevaerts | w1ll14m: Why don't you just take your ipod to a shop and try them ? |
| 23:02:19 | preglow | you probably won't get clipping anyway, bit the volume will be pretty low no matter how you tweak it |
| 23:02:28 | preglow | what he said |
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| 23:16:42 | gevaerts | The new code seems to work, but is so asynchronous and event-driven that I don't know where to insert this button detection |
| 23:17:07 | JdGordon|w | which is why it shuoldnt be used |
| 23:17:19 | JdGordon|w | i mean... why a button shouldnt be used |
| 23:17:25 | * | gevaerts understood |
| 23:18:01 | petur | more batteries for JdGordon's keyboard :) |
| 23:18:13 | JdGordon|w | probablyt the best thing to do is broadcast USB_ATTACHED and then in the defauklt event handler (misc.c) do the button check |
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| 23:18:21 | JdGordon|w | petur: this one is wired |
| 23:18:37 | w1ll14m | G night all |
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| 23:19:29 | JdGordon|w | gevaerts: usb attached -> default stuff happens untill something handles the message -> usb_screen() (or however the actual usb handleing starts) eventually called? |
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| 23:21:38 | gevaerts | What now happens is that the controller signals a port connect, on this the code asks everyone to back off the disk, after which we can allow usb_storage. In the meantime, a control request has come in asking for the configuration descriptor. That means that basically the port connect event is too late to decide this. |
| 23:21:58 | gevaerts | How long can it take for "everyone" to back off the disk ? |
| 23:22:40 | JdGordon|w | could take a while... some loops ignore the usb connected message (naughtily!) |
| 23:22:51 | JdGordon|w | which means the main thread wont reply saying its good to go |
| 23:23:04 | * | JdGordon|w hopes he isnt getting everything completly wrong :p |
| 23:23:49 | gevaerts | ... which means we make the host wait for a long time during enumeration. That shouldn't ever be done. |
| 23:23:55 | JdGordon|w | can you reply with some dummy configuration descrption and then when you know how it wants to be handled drop the connection and reconnect? |
| 23:24:47 | gevaerts | JdGordon|w: I'm not sure. Anyway that's really not clean at all. |
| 23:25:08 | petur | gevaerts: in the case of hardware USB controllers (like iriver h100/h300) the controller also has to wait until all threads are ready |
| 23:25:23 | petur | I don't know what the hw controller does |
| 23:25:32 | JdGordon|w | I dont know how usb works, you cant say "I just want to charge" untill it actually knows what it wants to do? |
| 23:25:42 | petur | it just signals the connection on a pin iirc |
| 23:26:24 | gevaerts | JdGordon|w: You need to send back a configuration descriptor that says you want 500 mA. Otherwise you can only use 100, or get cut off entirely. |
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| 23:27:00 | JdGordon|w | and once thats done, can you reconnect programatically to get ums? |
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| 23:28:15 | gevaerts | petur: that's what it used to do here as well. I now use the port change interrupt instead of polling the pin (this requires the usb controller to be enabled all the time, but that shouldn't be a problem as it knows about suspend states... I hope) |
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| 23:30:06 | gevaerts | Maybe there is a way out : check for the button in the code that actually sends back the config descriptor, and remember if there were disconnects since last time (bus resets don't count, only actual disconnects) |
| 23:30:45 | * | gevaerts goes off to try that |
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| 23:43:09 | * | gevaerts now gets a USB connection screen without actually connecting |
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| 23:51:42 | magmaniac | Hello. I have a question regarding Flyspray. Is it normal that one can't select the severity? |
| 23:52:16 | magmaniac | I mean when adding a new task. |
| 23:52:23 | JdGordon|w | gevaerts: hehe nice :) |
| 23:52:36 | JdGordon|w | magmaniac: I havnt tried, but probably is normal |
| 23:52:48 | JdGordon|w | only devs have a reason to change severity |
| 23:54:42 | magmaniac | It's just that there *is* a dropdown list, though an empty one, but the choices "critical ... very low" are written *next* to this dropdown list |
| 23:56:21 | JdGordon|w | can you add a comment to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7194 about that? |
| 23:57:32 | magmaniac | OK, will do after I filed my actual task. |
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