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#rockbox log for 2008-02-21

00:00:59 Join Soap_ [50] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap)
00:02:07*gevaerts waits impatiently for the builds to complete
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00:05:35*amiconn almost can't believe what he found out
00:05:46*gevaerts celebrates not breaking any build
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00:10:06*amiconn wonders why there is a significant red delta although the code isn't enabled by default
00:10:36preglowwell, some data stuff probably isn't commented out
00:10:44preglowdoesn't matter anyway, it's going in soon enough
00:10:49preglowamiconn: what did you find out?
00:11:01amiconnSee my latest commit...
00:11:38amiconnThat WScript.Sleep 100 had a significantly larger effect on SAPI4 voice building time that expected
00:12:10*preglow knows nothing about sapi :/
00:12:44amiconnIt literally took hours (> 3) here to even build a player voice with sapi4. Now it "just" took 26 minutes
00:14:16preglowwhy so slow?
00:14:26amiconnSAPI4 works realtime
00:14:40amiconnIt's designed that way
00:14:44preglowlousy design
00:14:56amiconnIt can be sped up to 8x realtime, but not when using the automation interface
00:15:19amiconnYeah, that's probably why SAPI5 exists. It's very different from SAPI4
00:15:23JdGordon|wgevaerts: congrats... and your cheating! wait untill you commit something which is compiled in by default :D
00:15:35preglowamiconn: but yeah, like i asked, is there any pseudo-opcode to make a pc relative lea.l sequence out of an address label?
00:15:39amiconnWhen SAPI5 writes to disk, it writes as fast as the CPU+disk allows
00:15:56*JdGordon|w looks at the deltas and shuts up
00:16:09preglowJdGordon|w: well, at least the code isn't compiled in :P
00:16:39amiconnI don't know of any. You could perhaps use something like <label> - .
00:16:57preglowyeah, thought of that, but i think that's a bit too ugly to warrant saving two bytes
00:17:25peturlooks like linuxstb has a full disk
00:17:34lostlogicw00t, rockbox usb stack working on my sansa
00:17:44gevaertsJdGordon|w: The next steps will have to be active from the start. They will clean up usb connection detection and threading
00:17:47preglowlostlogic: damn straight it is! \o/
00:17:53lostlogicwhat all targets is it 'spected to work on?
00:17:59lostlogicgevaerts: you rock man.
00:18:14lostlogicnice, my video's been begging for an upgrade.
00:18:53amiconnpp502x to be precise
00:19:07preglowwell, good point, do we know anything of usb on the pp5002?
00:20:10lostlogichmph, how... when I hold select, it still shows up as a drive in windows, isn't it impossible for windows and rockbox to both own the drive at the same time?
00:20:46amiconnlostlogic: No, that cannot be done
00:20:54amiconnThe 5002 does have an usb controller, but that is supposedly USB1.1 only
00:21:06amiconnIf that's the case, there must be some separate chip
00:21:27amiconnOf the current rockbox targets, the only PP5002 target with USB is the 3rd Gen
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00:21:43lostlogicwell, I hate to break it to us, but I'm listening to music files off of my sansa both in my computer and in my sansa right now
00:21:46lostlogicit's kinda trippy actually.
00:21:57gevaertslostlogic: that's the next step. There are reasons that it's not enabled by default now.
00:22:17lockdown1i have a question about the firmware
00:22:32gevaertslostlogic: be careful doing that. It can lead to data corruption if both sides try to write.
00:22:32lostlogicgevaerts: I just didn't think that what I'm donig was possible... I suppose it's a rather risky thing to do, specially with both connected rw
00:22:43BigBambilockdown1: just ask
00:22:50amiconnlostlogic: File systems expect to have exclusive access to a disk (exception being cluster filesystems). Disk access *can* be shared, but *only* if neither side ever writes to the disk
00:23:09amiconnOtherwise really nasty things can happen
00:23:32lockdown1Say you buy an ipod (not that i would)... there are cables with the proprietary plug that allow you to control the play pause skip functions on the ipod via something else... will that still work with rockbox?
00:23:39amiconngevaerts: Not only if both sides try to write....
00:23:52BigBambilockdown1: not yet, but indications are soon
00:23:54lostlogicgevaerts: well the risk of me being stupid and breaking myself is worth the convenience of not booting the superduper slow sansa OF when I want to do transfers.
00:24:08gevaertsamiconn: well, depends on how yoy define nasty.
00:24:20lockdown1okay. and when that is working, will that same ipod cable working with rockbox, work with rockbox on a creative ZVM?
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00:24:54BigBambirockbox doesn't run on the creative ZVM yet
00:24:54lostlogicdifferent connectors aren't they?
00:24:57gevaertslostlogic: as long as you don't hold select, there should be no risk. For large transfers you might still prefer the OF, since we don't do high-speed yet
00:25:07lockdown1the thing that allows the cable to work with the functions is the firmware right? so will that same firmware work to allow other mp3 players use it
00:25:12lockdown1and i know, but it will eventually
00:25:45BigBambiCreative doesn't use the apple serial/accessory protocol...
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00:26:00lostlogicgevaerts: I hear ya, but on a 2 gig player, the total time for 2 reboots pretty much nullifies that difference
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00:26:34lockdown1so rockbox doesn't have to ability to make a creative work with ipod accessories
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00:27:11amiconnlostlogic: What does one have to do with the other?
00:27:35BigBambilockdown1: So you know for sure that the creative accessory port is pin and function identical to the iPod one?
00:28:15lockdown1i don't know if the function is the same. but from what information i've gathered, they should be the same
00:28:34lockdown1as far as i know it's mainly a matter of programming
00:28:43BigBambiIf the hardware allows it, I guess it is theoretically possible
00:28:54BigBambilockdown1: We look forward to your patch then
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00:29:11lostlogicamiconn: the lost time of 2 reboots must be amortized over the speed increase for high speed vs. full speed
00:29:17lockdown1haha, i'm only 19 and still learning programming =] as soon as i learn i'd be more than happy to contribute
00:29:39*amiconn wonders why he is misunderstood so often today :/
00:29:55lockdown1but just think of how big a step that would be? That would allow all accessories to be used universally by the same proprietary connection
00:30:02amiconnlostlogic: I mean what does not having to reboot have to do with using the dangerous parallel access
00:30:07BigBambiSeriously, that has got to be quite high up the list of if you want it you are going to have to try yourself
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00:30:21amiconnIf you want to transfer files, you are *not* supposed to hold Select when connecting
00:30:41BigBambilockdown1: I would be surprised to discover that it was possible, but hey
00:30:56amiconnThen rockbox will go into UMS mode, showing the USB screen, as already known from all other targets already
00:31:10lockdown1well, as soon rockbox is working for ZVM, i'll be doing my research
00:31:30amiconngevaerts: Btw, lostlogic is right though - behaviour of the code when holding Select (sansa) or Menu (ipods) is wrong.
00:32:06*JdGordon|w truly thinks that button combo is stupid
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00:32:19JdGordon|wthe hold switch should invert the behaviour.. not a button
00:32:24amiconnDoing so is supposed to use USB for charging only. In that case, rockbox does not enter the USB screen, and must not expose the UMS interface
00:33:06JdGordon|walso, it should splash saying "usb charging" so you know when its safe to unflick the swithc
00:33:15gevaertsamiconn: I know. I had a quick look at it, but it seems a bit too intertwined with the whole connection detect logic to fix in a few minutes. Since I plan to tackle that next anyway I left the button as is for now.
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00:33:29amiconnJdGordon: (a) that's not really related here (b) not all targets having USB power do have a hold switch (c) <opinion>hold switches are cumbersome </opinion>
00:34:03*JdGordon|w wonders why rockbox reltaed discussion cant happen in #rockbox
00:34:10JdGordon|wb) for the targets which have it should be used
00:34:58amiconn(a) was related to the misbehaviour, not to which button should or should not invoke that mode
00:35:45amiconnJdGordon: As for the feedback, you should have noticed the battery charging animation starting
00:35:53preglowi wouldn't like using hold for that
00:36:00preglowi'd like to use hold for as little as possible, as a matter of fact
00:36:04JdGordon|wnot everyone has the statusbar enabled
00:36:45amiconnOther than that, you should be able to safely let go the button as soon as the plugs are plugged
00:36:50JdGordon|wmy real problem is havbing differnt buttons for each target...
00:36:59amiconnIf that's too early, it is a bug in rockbox and needs to be fixed
00:37:17preglowJdGordon|w: different targets have different button schemes, not much we can do about that
00:37:45JdGordon|wwe could use hold
00:37:47*amiconn pings Bagder
00:37:56preglownot all targets have hold, afaik
00:37:59preglowso the problem remains the same
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00:38:11preglowanyway, we don't use the same button for everything else, why should we suddenly do so here?
00:38:13JdGordon|wright, but the ones which do have hold could use it
00:38:29JdGordon|wwe do try to have consistancy across tagrtes
00:38:38*JdGordon|w glares at Llorean's e200 keymap commit
00:38:38amiconnYes. 4 targets with USB power have no Hold switch (FM recorder, recorder V2, Ondio FM and SP)
00:38:53JdGordon|wand about 9 do have it
00:39:15gevaertsThere is another related issue. We will probably have usb-serial logf soon. How do you tell the system to use that but not go in UMS mode ?
00:39:35preglowJdGordon|w: so to charge when i connect my usb cable, i should flick hold, plug in, flick hold off?
00:39:50amiconnAnd we can't use the same button on every target for every function anyway. There are simply too many variations in button count, layout, naming etc
00:40:07*gevaerts sees a compromise : implement enough usb device classes so that there is a button for each
00:40:53amiconngevaerts: Activate it in the debug menu beforehand
00:41:02amiconnIt's a debug feature after all
00:41:08amiconnScreendump works similar
00:41:22gevaertsThat's true.
00:41:25amiconnThat reminds me - I didn't test whether screendump still works
00:41:49pixelmaJdGordon: afaik this commit was not "use the same button as on other targets" but "if target A uses one button to access X and Y, this accessing X and Y should also be on one button on some other target"...
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00:43:05amiconnThe screendump itself does work, but it also still exposes the UMS interface. Rather dangerous, because rockbox is writing *while* UMS is being mounted
00:43:43pixelmaJdGordon: ...if appropriate and not unintuitive
00:44:13*gevaerts will make fixing that a priority. Not today anymore though
00:44:21amiconnThat rule doesn't even hold for older targets...
00:45:06amiconnOn all Archoses, the same button is used for switching from WPS to browser and back (ON on player and recorders, MODE on Ondios)
00:45:27amiconnBut on irivers, WPS->Browser is SELECT, and Browser->WPS is PLAY
00:45:57amiconn(coldfire irivers to be precise)
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01:37:24w00tahyo where can i get rockboy?
01:37:36scorche|shwith rockbox
01:37:43w00tahits included?
01:37:49w00tahokay cool
01:37:58w00tah.gbc is the file, right?
01:38:04*stripwax tries to catch up via the logs
01:38:04scorche|shor .gb
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01:40:33stripwaxgevaerts - awesome progress on usb+serial!
01:41:07stripwaxand it looks like there's work on the ipod native serial interface too? cool
01:41:33scorche|shexciting times for portalplayer folk lately
01:42:27zemy karma's portalplayer, but there's nothing exciting for me :/
01:42:49scorche|shwell, "rockbox" was implicit in there...
01:44:53w00tahhow come sometimes my ipod reverts back to the original firmware randomly?
01:45:04w00tahit fixes itself when i reset, but i just want to know why it does that
01:45:17stripwaxw00tah - are you by any chance turning the hold switch on while you're booting it?
01:45:32stripwaxbecause that is the switch that tells the rockbox bootloader to load the original firmware..
01:45:55w00tahwell, I always keep it on hold when its off
01:46:14w00tahbut i have to turn it off when before i turn it on obviously
01:46:19stripwaxsure but you need to turn hold off to turn it on (right)
01:46:50w00tahthats what im sayin
01:46:58stripwaxare you turning hold *on* while it is booting?
01:47:16stripwaxhm, then it should just load rockbox
01:47:23w00tahbut i put on hold before it finishes completely shutting off
01:47:47stripwaxthat should be fine
01:47:50amiconnIt can very well happen if you have hold enabled when returning from usb (diskmode)
01:48:18w00tahis it necassary to enter diskmode when you plug it in?
01:48:24w00tahcause i just plug it in regardless
01:48:45stripwaxw00tah - oh, when you plug it in, if it's turned off, it will boot the original firmware. .!
01:48:49amiconnOr even: ipod off (hold enabled) -> plug usb -> ipod will turn on, and since the bootloader sees hold enabled, boots into OF
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01:58:44w00tahdo mp4s work with rockbox?
01:58:48w00tahlike videos
02:00:16scorche|shmpegplayer can read mpeg1 and mpeg2 files
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02:14:47Davide-NYCmarkun: ping
02:15:14EvilnickHey Davide-NYC
02:15:33EvilnickNot that I'm markun or anything
02:16:02EvilnickDid you get the CF mod working on your H1x0?
02:16:12Davide-NYCIn a sense, yes.
02:17:05EvilnickI saw (through stalking everyone via the IRC logs) that you had partial success but there were problems with part of it. What's the trouble?
02:19:02pixelmaDavide-NYC: doesn't have to mean anything but it's past 2am here
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02:19:23Pizza|realhey guys i got question
02:19:55Davide-NYCOccaisional freezing, but, I haven't done much testing.
02:20:06EvilnickPizza|real: Fire away
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02:20:38Davide-NYCpixelma: thanks, but you know what kind of hours these crazy hackers keep ;)
02:20:54Pizza|realRockBox for Zune is it ever gonna come out? or working on it?
02:21:14Pizza|realcuz i am getting tired of zune
02:21:14scorche|shno one is working on it, and it wont happen without someone working on it
02:21:31Pizza|realbut microsoft is getting games for zune so thats good
02:21:33EvilnickShort answer, it's unlikely to happen for a long time
02:21:44EvilnickThe Gigabeast is very close in terms of hardware
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02:22:03Pizza|realdamn it
02:22:13EvilnickBut the security hole has been fixed on the Zune so it's harder to start that port
02:22:19Pizza|realmicrosoft should made zune with linux option
02:22:25EvilnickCheck the New Ports forum for more info
02:22:30Davide-NYCEvilnick: private chat?
02:23:27Pizza|realthats bye
02:23:29EvilnickDavide-NYC: I need to register, so gimme a sec
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02:25:02EvilnickEr... sorry for offtopic, how do I register my irc nick so that I can private chat?
02:25:19krazykiti wanted to congratulate gevearts, but he isn't here :/
02:26:37Davide-NYCEvilnick: I'm trying to help ya but I can;t remember offhand.
02:27:30Davide-NYCtype /nickserv help
02:28:13EvilnickGot it, thanks
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03:05:06fyrestormhow can i get to test out the new usb stack code?
03:05:42fyrestormdo i have to compile my own build or do i have to edit something in a config file?
03:06:39Evilnickyou have to compile your own build
03:06:55Evilnickhaving edited something in a config file
03:07:02fyrestormwould make my life easy? :D
03:07:07Evilnickso yes to both questions
03:07:22fyrestormyeah i dont know how to compile so
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03:17:31lostlogicnew stack not as happy on my ipv as it was on my sansa
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04:14:56tedrocklunar eclipse go look.
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05:25:52Nimdaei just did a svn update and build fails
05:25:53Nimdaerecorder/icons.h:30:25: error: rockboxlogo.h: No such file or directory
05:32:45TiMiD[FD]ah ?
05:32:48TiMiD[FD]on which target ?
05:33:43Nimdaei'm doing a complete checkout to see if something broke
05:35:35TiMiD[FD]I just built it yesterday and it was successful
05:35:43TiMiD[FD]make a full make clean
05:35:52Nimdaeit was completely clean
05:36:27Nimdaei just did a build a few days ago, so not sure what's up
05:37:24TiMiD[FD]I try
05:37:28Nimdaemy build box is a bit on the slow side, so it'll take a few to get results
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05:37:42scorche|shsvn revert -R ?
05:37:57krazykit-R .
05:38:04krazykitdon't forget the period!
05:39:36scorche|shwell, i usually just am in the folder above and use the folder itself, so /shrug :)
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05:40:10Nimdaeyeah, full checkout has the same result
05:40:56Nimdaethat's the full error
05:41:42TiMiD[FD]I don't get any error oO
05:42:04Nimdaehas there been a need for a change in build environment?
05:42:41TiMiD[FD]I don't think so
05:43:55Nimdaelemme try without the -j2
05:44:28Nimdaeshouldn't make a difference
05:44:32TiMiD[FD]ah could be that
05:44:47TiMiD[FD]there is a bug with that
05:44:58Nimdaeit'd be the first time i hit it
05:45:02TiMiD[FD]the makefile's dependancies are not very well defined
05:45:10TiMiD[FD]check the tracker there is a patch for that
05:45:35Nimdaewell, that poses a problem for multi-core systems ;)
05:46:24TiMiD[FD]try to apply the patch
05:46:36Nimdaesec, i wanna get a good build first
05:49:05Nimdaeit seems taking off -j2 gets me further, at least
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05:55:51TiMiD[FD]compiled ?
05:58:20Nimdaeyeah, running make zip now
05:58:42Nimdaepatch in the tracker, eh...
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08:04:42amiconnLinusN: Did you see that linuxstb's build server has a problem?
08:05:31amiconnIt should probably be disabled for now
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08:06:03amiconnYeah, problem is that a build failing this way is incredibly fast, so that same server gets scheduled many builds...
08:06:22LinusNhehe, yes
08:07:20amiconnA manual build round shouldn't be necessary this time, as the change I committed which triggered the failed builds has no influence on binaries
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08:26:12hamdiyaneed some help please
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08:29:45TiMiD[FD]hamdiya: a problem ?
08:30:24hamdiyaim trying to make my first wps
08:30:38hamdiyaand want to include a custom progress bar
08:30:52TiMiD[FD]ah ...
08:31:01hamdiyaim just having some probs with the coding
08:31:12hamdiya'logically' it looks right
08:31:19hamdiyabut its not functioning as i want it too
08:31:22TiMiD[FD]I never did any wps
08:31:46hamdiyaare you familiar with the syntax anyway?
08:31:55TiMiD[FD]not really
08:32:09TiMiD[FD]spit it out anyway
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08:32:30hamdiyawhere's this "pastebin" someone told me about it yesterday?
08:33:57LinusNyou could have found it by googling for "pastebin" for example
08:34:40hamdiyaoh, i thought it was something specific to rockbox
08:34:43hamdiyafirst time i hear of it
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08:38:34hamdiyawith that code
08:38:48hamdiyathe image only moves at increments of 10 or the percentage played
08:38:56hamdiyawhile it should move at increments of 1
08:38:59LinusNthere are easier ways to implement a bitmap progress bar
08:39:13hamdiyado tell!
08:39:22LinusNread about the %P tag here:
08:40:09LinusNyou draw one image with the entire bar, and then rockbox displays a portion of it
08:40:25hamdiyaso i could load a small picture and it will move accross the screan?
08:40:33LinusNno, it will not move
08:40:45hamdiyai actually had a different idea in mind
08:40:52hamdiyathe progress bar has like a slider
08:40:54LinusNif you want a moving image you have to use the conditional approach
08:40:59hamdiyai only want the slider to move
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08:41:55LinusNthen you have to do it like you did first
08:42:02LinusNbut maybe with a lot more images
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08:42:08LinusNto make it look smooth
08:42:11hamdiyaexcept it's not woring
08:43:04BenniBoyahey, is any one experienced in dual booting luinux, could you hwelp me in community?
08:43:31LinusNhamdiya: well, you have placed images d to j on the same coordinates
08:44:00hamdiyai actually made a typo there
08:44:04hamdiyaif you refresh
08:44:07hamdiyai've updated that
08:44:22LinusNlooks the same to me
08:44:48LinusNah now i see
08:44:50hamdiyacould this be because im using the simulator?
08:44:58LinusNdon't think so
08:45:09LinusNwhat exactly is not working btw
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08:45:34hamdiyait does work, but not the way it is supposed to
08:45:40hamdiyathe image only moves at increments of 10 or the percentage played
08:45:46hamdiyawhile it should move at increments of 1
08:45:59hamdiyamaybe i'm getting the conditional stat wrong
08:46:28LinusNyou have 10 images, so it will change image every 10%
08:46:52LinusNif you have 100 images, it will change every 1%
08:47:08hamdiyai forgot to mention this is not final
08:47:13hamdiyaim just testing with 10 images now
08:47:22hamdiyaive tried also just 4 images
08:47:25hamdiyaand the restuls are the same
08:47:37hamdiyait shouldn't matter
08:48:44LinusNif you have 4 images, it should change image every 25%
08:49:56hamdiyai think i see what you mean
08:50:01hamdiyathis isthe conditional
08:50:07hamdiyasince there are 10 options
08:50:28hamdiyaeach will be executed at every increment of 10 devided by 100
08:50:45hamdiyawhat i thought was
08:50:54hamdiyapx will return values from 1 to 100
08:51:12LinusN0 to 100 iirc
08:51:34LinusNif i recall correctly
08:52:25hamdiya:D roger that!
08:52:47hamdiyai guess im limited to max of 52 chars
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08:53:59hamdiyais there an easy way to overcome this
08:54:08hamdiyaplay with the rockbox f/w?
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09:01:53hamdiyais there any way around that limitation?
09:02:22LinusNthere is a patch in the tracker that attempts to solve this
09:02:42hamdiyawas it successful?
09:03:02LinusNi don't know
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09:06:28JamPSGood morning
09:07:03JamPSI just updated my rockbox and now my sansa shows this nice usb icon and freezes when I plug in the cable(yesterday it just went black)
09:08:48LinusNJamPS: there is a problem with the reboot functionality on the sansas
09:12:46JamPSsherlock :) how did that happen(again)?
09:13:09hamdiyaare the current builds based on the SVN?
09:13:47GodEaterhamdiya: the current build is always what's in SVN
09:14:03hamdiyaso in essence, i already have the patch?
09:14:07hamdiyafor the 512 bitmaps
09:14:23GodEaterif it's a patch, it's by definition not in svn
09:15:03hamdiyathe guy who made the path wrote: "Sync'd to r14667"
09:15:29GodEaterthat means it applies cleanly to svn revision 14667
09:15:37GodEaternot that it's IN svn revision 14667
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09:53:26hamdiyaanyone familar with the %pb syntax
09:53:39hamdiyai've made a progress bar but cannot position it correctly
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09:54:58LinusNwhat is the problem?
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09:55:44hamdiyai cannot understand the parameters
09:55:56hamdiyayou can set the height, position (both x and y) and width of the progressbar (in pixels): %pb|height|leftpos|rightpos|toppos|
09:56:02hamdiyawhen i do that
09:56:18hamdiyait looks shorter
09:56:33hamdiyaeven when the song is at the end
09:57:40hamdiyathe x position should be added to the width desired
09:57:52hamdiyathat wasn't mentioned
09:58:00LinusNthe rightpos is a *position* not a width
09:58:33hamdiya"and width of the progressbar"
09:58:52LinusNi really don't understand why it is like that
09:59:11hamdiyait's misleading
09:59:22LinusNmakes no sense to have a height but not a width
09:59:37LinusNi guess it is for historical reasons
10:01:03hamdiyait should be %pb|height|x|width+|y|
10:01:35LinusNeven better: %pb|x|y|width|height|
10:02:20hamdiyakinda late to change it now
10:02:21LinusNbut if we change it now, all existing wps'es will break... :.-(
10:02:51hamdiyaperhaps a new tag
10:02:54hamdiyauntill people get used ot i
10:02:56hamdiyato it*
10:02:59LinusNnot that i care *that* much, as long as the "official* wps's are changed
10:03:23LinusNwe have made incompatible changes before
10:04:00LinusNbut let's leave it as it is until we need to do more changes
10:04:14My_Sica little question, does anyone is working on the serial I/O of the ipod ?
10:04:20hamdiyai'm surprised there's no official rockbox for ipods
10:05:10hamdiyaMy_Sic: i have an ipod color and the griffin itrip works good on it, dunno though if it makes any use of the data pins on the serial port
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10:05:35peturwith better powermanagement and (soon) USB, I think we should consider another release. Maybe a tracker cleanup week first...
10:06:05My_Sichamdiya: i have a simple remote and it doesn't works
10:06:37hamdiyaa remote will make use of the data pins
10:06:45*petur meant: another try at a release
10:07:05LinusNMy_Sic: i have it working
10:07:13hamdiyathe fm transmitter only needs the audio output and i think only power from the serial port
10:07:19My_Sicin an dayli build ?
10:07:30LinusNMy_Sic: as a patch on my ipod video
10:07:40LinusNand it only implements the Mode 2 remote commands
10:07:46My_Sicwhich patch ?
10:07:53LinusNon my hard drive :-)
10:08:19peturLinusN: fyi, gevaerts needs to be added to the svn login <-> name translation table
10:08:26LinusNMy_Sic: what type of ipod do you have?
10:08:28My_Sicif i want to use my remote, could I ? if yes how ?
10:08:35LinusNpetur: i have done that now
10:08:44My_Sicthe 5G
10:09:13peturLinusN: oh right, it needs a new page generation first...
10:09:16LinusNMy_Sic: hang on
10:09:42My_Sichang on !?!?!?!
10:10:24peturbetter to hang on than to fall off
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10:12:35My_SicLinusN: i don't understand. It's working on your ipod video, why can i don't do like you ?
10:13:21LinusNMy_Sic: because i hadn't published the patch
10:13:36LinusNnow i have (hence the "hang on")
10:14:09My_Sicso i will install a new rocbox compiling environment tonight in order to try it
10:14:21LinusNwanna try a binary?
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10:14:51LinusNhang on :-)
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10:25:57LinusNthe keymap is very basic, so it only works in the wps
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10:28:49markunLinusN: do you think someone from ipodlinux is interested or is the project pretty much halted?
10:29:45*amiconn thinks ipl development has halten moths ago at least
10:30:16markunon the homepage: Recent SVN Activity: halted
10:30:21markuneh, Disabled.
10:31:06amiconnSeems it's too early for me to type correctly :\
10:32:14markunamiconn: yes, better to go back to sleep :)
10:34:20markunI completely disassembled the Meizu M6 firmware with ida pro last night. Could be useful for a iriver clix port as well.
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10:38:42peturdo they still make the clix?
10:40:59markundon't know. iriver came up with 7 new players a few months ago so maybe they just work on those now.
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10:46:12JamPSwho is working with portalplayer usb support?
10:46:46markungevaerts is
10:49:42markunJamPS: which player do you have?
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10:51:14JamPSmarkun, sansa e280
10:52:43JamPSI would like to work on that if I could be of help
10:55:41markunbest to wait for him to come online to ask him what needs to be done
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11:02:49peturI think the problem left now is getting high speed working
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11:04:42GodEaterwhich he thinks needs a reverse engineer of the OF
11:04:55GodEaterbecause everything *should* work for high speed now
11:05:18GodEaterso there's a gap between what we've been told works with the PP USB device, and what actually works
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11:11:49pondlifeWas the plan to enable (full-speed) USB in the meantime? Or is that not stable enough?
11:12:02pondlifeI mean, in SVN
11:12:40GodEaterdoesn't look like it
11:12:51GodEatersince his commit specifically mentions you need the #def
11:13:20pondlifeLast time I checked the logs the main remaining issue was that it was possible to end up in a state where both Rockbox and the USB code could write to the disk.
11:13:34GodEaterreally ?
11:13:38amiconnIt works quite well at full speed, but has same dangerous bugs. See last night's logs
11:14:01amiconnYes, there are 2 such possibilities
11:14:02pondlifeSo, before high-speed, those bugs should be ironed out and full-speed enabled
11:14:38pondlifeWe might be waiting a long time for high-speed...
11:15:23GodEaterpersonally, if we don't get high-speed, I'm not going to use this
11:15:36pondlifeYou still have the choice to use the OF
11:15:46GodEaterthe emergency disk mode on the ipod is bad enough
11:15:53GodEaterI dont' want still slower access
11:16:16pondlifeIsn't EDM also full-speed?
11:16:23GodEaterit's high speed
11:16:27GodEaterbut it's still sucky
11:16:43GodEaterif you want proper high speed performance you have to use the OF proper
11:16:47amiconnGodEater: I think you should perform a comparison test
11:17:02GodEaterbetween EDM and RB ?
11:17:22amiconnI'd expect rockbox' fullspeed to be faster than edm
11:17:38amiconn(on G5 and perhaps also Nano)
11:18:28amiconnOn ipods where edm has decent speed (e.g. mini G2), rockbox fullspeed is slower, but less so than one might expect from the raw transfer speed difference
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11:19:47*GodEater wonders if he'd like to try this at risk of losing his spinlock revert patch
11:21:45GodEateroh balls
11:21:49GodEaterthat tree got nuked
11:21:49GodEateroh well
11:21:59GodEaterlooks like the iPod is back to thoroughly unusable again
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11:23:45*GodEater wonders if the usb connected screen could display a throughput figure
11:24:20*gevaerts thinks that shouldn't be too hard
11:24:49GodEateranyone think it's a good idea ? :)
11:25:03hamdiyai have a question about scrolling text
11:25:34hamdiyais it possible to have the text that reaches the end of the screen continue from the other end
11:25:49GodEaterhamdiya: I think that's configurale
11:25:52LinusNhamdiya: no, it can't wrap
11:26:03GodEateroh really ?
11:26:09gevaertsGodEater: I think that at least some kind of activity indicator would be useful.
11:26:25GodEatergevaerts: yes definitely
11:26:28LinusNhamdiya: maybe i misunderstood, i thought you wanted it to continue on the next line
11:26:45GodEaterthank goodness
11:26:52hamdiyawhen the text reaches the end of the screen
11:26:53GodEaterI thought my rockbox know how was leaking away
11:27:05hamdiyai want it to continue from the begining of the line
11:27:32*gevaerts first wants to finish going through the connection logic though, so it's actually safe to use for everyone
11:28:06amiconngevaerts, GodEater: The activity indicator already exists....
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11:28:29LinusNhamdiya: instead of scrolling back?
11:28:31GodEateramiconn: yes - in the status bar
11:28:44hamdiyasomething lke that
11:28:46GodEaterI'd still like to see a throughput figure though
11:28:50hamdiyai want it to be like #1
11:28:56GodEaterhamdiya: that's user configurable
11:29:05hamdiyaany idea how?
11:29:14hamdiyai just know that you can use %s to scroll
11:29:20hamdiyabut how do you configure it
11:29:23LinusNyou can change the Bidirectional Scrolling Limit
11:29:25GodEateryou can't control it in the WPS
11:29:35GodEaterthe text will scroll however the user likes it
11:29:40GodEateryou have no say in it
11:29:57LinusNthat's the point of user settings
11:30:20markunbut you could change the scroll settings with the .cfg file of your theme :)
11:30:22*GodEater doesn't want some WPS-Nazi telling him how his text should scroll!
11:30:25hamdiyaitll be nice though if the user can select to use his/her settings or the ones that coem with the wps
11:30:32GodEatermarkun: sssh!
11:31:03hamdiyaright now im just working on an wps
11:31:06GodEaterI think that would suck to be honest
11:31:15hamdiyabut ill keep that thought for the future
11:31:23GodEaterWPS authors could start doing all sorts of weird things to your config if they start shipping "their" settings to the end user
11:31:59hamdiyanot like you can screw up the target with a cfg file
11:32:23GodEateryou could do all sorts of bad things
11:32:45GodEaterforeground and background colours set to the same leaps to mind
11:33:14LinusNgenerally, the user should be in charge
11:33:37hamdiyagood point
11:33:53hamdiyaanother qustion plz
11:33:59*GodEater appears to have fallen foul of Godwin's law and apologises
11:34:14hamdiyais it possible to put two peices of text in the same line and only have one of them scroll
11:34:30GodEaterhamdiya: not without viewports I think
11:34:30LinusNnot yet
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11:36:30hamdiyaokey :)
11:38:19gevaertsamiconn: (referring back to last night) I think I will actually change the configuration descriptor sending to use a separate transfer buffer. If we want to be connected without exposing UMS or serial, we will need to build up the total descriptor at runtime.
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11:39:26LinusNgevaerts: that sounds like the best thing to do
11:40:29gevaertsIt will also make other device classes easier in the future (should we want them)
11:41:51LinusNgevaerts: yes
11:43:56hamdiyai think i found a way
11:44:05hamdiyaif you put alot of spaces after the text
11:44:24hamdiyait'll continue from the beginning of the line
11:45:18amiconnIt might, but you can't be sure
11:45:30hamdiyaits doing that with me
11:46:02amiconnIt depends on what bidirectional scroll limit the user selected
11:47:04hamdiyait seems to "visually" override the user settings
11:47:13hamdiyayou just need to leave alot of spaces
11:47:14amiconnAnd if it doesn't wrap around, the effect will be rather nasty (text temporarily vanishing completely)
11:47:20hamdiyaabout 30
11:47:40LinusNhamdiya: don't attempt to solve it that way
11:47:42hamdiyajust enough to fit the screen
11:48:11LinusNhamdiya: that depends on what the user has set the "Bidirectional Scroll Limit" setting to
11:49:00LinusNhe could even have set it to 200% because he *wants* bidirectional scrolling
11:49:41GodEaterwell - with the latest USB code, I can't actually mount my ipod's disk
11:49:46hamdiyawell, if it works, whats the harm in that?
11:50:42amiconnhamdiya: Just try it, and you'll see
11:50:52hamdiyai am :)
11:51:16amiconnDid you try setting bidirectional scroll limit to maximum?
11:51:21hamdiyaok, sry, i see what you mean
11:51:33hamdiyan00b here
11:52:09GodEatergevaerts: I'm just getting device resets in my dmesg output with the latest usb svn code
11:52:18GodEaterhas anyone else tested it on 5.5G ?
11:53:50hamdiyais there an option to position text anywhere on the screen, just like images?
11:55:00GodEaterhamdiya: no
11:55:04GodEaternot until viewports are done
11:55:19gevaertsGodEater: what was it doing ? (just connected, copying lots of files, ...)
11:55:50GodEaterjust connected
11:55:53GodEaterI couldn't even mount it
11:56:03gevaertsGodEater: also, do you have other usb devices on the same bus ?
11:56:17GodEateronly a bluetooth adaptor
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11:56:30GodEateroh no - mouse and keyb too ;)
11:57:31gevaertsGodEater: so I probably can't ask to try and unplugging them... I'm asking because desowin had lots of problems a few days ago, which were solved by replugging all his usb stuff
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11:58:00GodEaterI can try
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11:58:33hamdiyaany eta on viewports? seems to be very cool
11:59:21GodEatereverything plugged and replugged
11:59:24GodEaterwill try again
12:00:45*GodEater waits for dircache to finish killing the disk
12:00:49gevaertsGodEater: if it still doesn't work, can you enable logf for usb_storage.c and send me the results ?
12:01:43GodEaterhmm - yeah, instant reset after it's read the partition table
12:01:48GodEaterand can't mount again
12:01:55GodEaterwill do gevaerts
12:04:01GodEaterbuilding now
12:08:58*GodEater remembers that in order for the #def to take effect, you have to a do a LOGF build.
12:09:01GodEater<−− numpty
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12:16:12GodEaterok - I'm definitely wearing my correctional footwear today. After doing the first build without having set it to do a LOGF in the configure script, I then rebuild it having changed that WITHOUT putting -DUSE_ROCKBOX_USB in the Makefile
12:16:16GodEaterso third times the charm
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12:24:44GodEaterthere's not much in the dump
12:26:12*gevaerts notices that GodEater has a do-it-yourself approach to debug output
12:29:29gevaertsCan you try ?
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12:32:42gevaertsActually, forget that. I forgot to read it from bottom to top...
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12:33:23gevaertsGodEater: can you paste the dmesg output ?
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12:33:48GodEaterwill do that too
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12:34:07GodEatercan't do it right now - I've been getting so much crap in there I just cleared the ringbuffer
12:36:39GodEateryou'll note there's no reset message there yet
12:36:44GodEaterbut I still can't mount the drive
12:36:49GodEatermount claims there's no such device
12:37:10GodEaterI then start getting : [793092.430560] usb 4-1: reset full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2
12:37:14GodEaterover and over
12:37:42GodEaterfollowed by : [793189.180839] scsi 43:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to dead device
12:37:46GodEaterwhen I finally pull the plug
12:40:00GodEaterthe filesystem seems broken now
12:40:21gevaertsGodEater: the logf output says that it gets read errors from the ata driver. I'm not sure why, but I may have done something wrong with the 2048 byte sector logic somewhere.
12:41:15gevaertsGodEater: at least the logf output you posted contains no writes.
12:41:37GodEaterI'm unable to start any viewers now though
12:41:45GodEaterthey all fail with "unable to open" messages
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12:42:33GodEaterI'll do a FS check on windows first
12:42:39gevaertsGodEater: ok
12:42:40GodEaterand then grab the latest logf output
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12:49:46DjLaurenzis there anybody?
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12:51:10*GodEater didn't realise #rockbox was now #seance
12:51:47pondlifeThe table's floating
12:51:54*GodEater wears a sheet over his head
12:52:20pondlifeThe ouija board says: S... P..... I...
12:52:27pondlife..N...... L... O.... C....
12:52:37pondlifeWhat can it mean??
12:53:33pondlifeSlightly more on-topic, but not much...should we be hosting an EXE with no source or license? (
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12:55:25GodEaterwith your patch
12:56:09DjLaurenzi want to ask a thing about the development of rockbox
12:56:16pondlifeAsk away
12:56:30DjLaurenzi have a t-logic mp3 player
12:56:32DjLaurenzi'm italian
12:56:48DjLaurenzis it possible to install rockbox there?
12:56:55*gevaerts does the hand and forehead thing
12:57:05pondlifeNot unless you develop a port to it.
12:57:39DjLaurenzi don't know anything about development
12:57:43DjLaurenzi'm only a user
12:58:06DjLaurenzif it's a simple thing "develop a port to it"
12:58:13DjLaurenzand you can explain me
12:58:16DjLaurenzi can try
12:58:19pondlifeIt's about the hardest thing to do.
12:58:20markunit's difficult
12:58:34*pondlife can't find the wiki page...
12:59:08GodEaterNewPorts ?
12:59:18pondlifeNor NewPort
12:59:38gevaertsGodEater: fix commited
12:59:46DjLaurenznow i go to read
12:59:50GodEatergevaerts: what was the problem ?
13:00:31pondlifeHaha, a wiki search for NewPort doesn't actually find that page.
13:00:51GodEaterLinusN: your fix for gevaerts' svn name hasn't worked by the way ;)
13:00:52gevaertsGodEater: I added a range check to the reads and writes, and it multiplied with the sector-size multiplier twice for that check, so it rejected the read as outside the device
13:00:57hamdiyais there a tag separator for wps config files
13:01:02GodEatergevaerts: ah ha
13:01:25gevaertsThat check wasn't there last time you tested
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13:02:27GodEaterbuilding again
13:04:22DjLaurenzwhen i can try a porting, i'll come back here
13:04:25DjLaurenztnx a lot
13:04:30DjLaurenzbye bye
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13:06:37*gevaerts is off to lunch
13:07:49GodEatergevaerts: that's fixed it - thanks :)
13:07:54*GodEater also goes to lunch
13:08:03hamdiyabefore you do
13:08:11hamdiyais there a tag separator for wps config files
13:08:24hamdiyawps files*
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13:11:00appel22I need some help installing rockbox on my ipod 2nd gen (2Gb). Anyone arround who can help ?
13:13:18dionoea2nd gen nano?
13:13:51dionoeaah ok, nevermind :)
13:14:00appel222nd nano is not supported
13:14:02dionoeaDid you try using rbutil ?
13:14:06dionoeawhich is why i asked :)
13:15:02appel22autodetect doesn't work for rbutil
13:15:15dionoeaDid you try selecting the device manualy?
13:15:24appel22and when I select manual it says at <invalid>
13:15:47appel22even when trying the bootloader exe I also get the error no device connected
13:16:02appel22while on my windows system I can access the ipod as removable disk
13:16:31dionoeaDid you previously install stuff like ipod linux or mess with the partions on the ipod?
13:16:55appel22no. I wouldn;t dare while it still is in warranty :)
13:17:09appel22I did insdtall rockbox first (copied it to the root)
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13:17:41dionoea2nd generation ipods are still under warranty? /me thought that they were really old
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13:18:18appel22I think I have it for two years now
13:18:29appel22but I never did anything on the ipod
13:19:59appel22the ipod is in disk mode, which it should be, right
13:20:33dionoeaWell I can't really help you more than that i guess :/ You could try using the apple ipod restore tool (or whatever it's called) and then run rbutil again. That sometimes fixes it
13:20:55appel22hmm, I could try that first
13:21:01appel22where can I find it ? i guess :)
13:21:14appel22hehe. ok
13:21:47dionoeaor you could wait for someone with experience with the old ipods to show up :)
13:22:13appel22it 2nd gen that old ?
13:22:38dionoeaWell unless we're not talking about the same 2nd gen ... i guess that it is
13:22:50appel22I have no idea
13:23:52dionoeaif you look on , which one do you have?
13:24:46appel22checking it right now,
13:25:37appel22you were right from the start
13:25:44appel22think its the nano I have
13:26:26dionoeawell, :(
13:26:33dionoeasince you can't run rockbox on it
13:27:02Bagderno need to cry over that, you can still use it as a door-stopper and plenty other useful things!
13:27:10dionoeahehe :p
13:27:11appel22my wife has nano 1st gen
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13:27:26dionoeanano 1st gen would work
13:27:27appel22cool.. I have an ipod nano doorstopper
13:28:01appel222nd gen support wont come?
13:28:11Bagdernot very likely, no
13:28:16appel22o well
13:28:30dionoeanobody figured out how to run code on it yet
13:28:54GodEatermore to the point, no-one's trying to either
13:29:21appel22I'm a software writer but I dont think I can either :p
13:29:33dionoeaappel22: you could give your wifi your ipod and get her's. She'll be glad to have a new one and you'll have rockbox on yours.
13:29:58appel22I think I will do that
13:32:05appel22thanx for the help
13:32:24appel22or atleast thanks for dissapointing me. haha
13:32:41dionoeayou're welcome. We always like bringing bad news
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13:36:53*GodEater thinks that it's apple who have ultimately provided the disappointment
13:37:34GodEaterI'm just as disappointed we're not likely to ever run on anything later than the 5.5G ipods
13:38:39amiconnLinusN: The script still doesn't seem to know gevaerts
13:38:47GodEateramiconn: I already said that...
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13:39:38peturso did I ;)
13:40:24peturor not... it _still_ doesn't know him...
13:42:52peturI assume the website doesn't use directly?
13:45:09pixelmaonly the frontpage doesn't know him, the commit overview that's accessed from the build table does
13:46:07pixelmaand the "since" tables too
13:48:28fyrestormattn gevaerts
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13:55:19Nico_PGodEater: never say never... look at the ZVM ;)
13:55:57GodEaterI didnt' say never
13:56:01GodEaterI said "unlikely" ;)
13:56:57Nico_P"not likely to ever" sounded very much like "never" to me, but yeah :)
13:57:14Nico_PI admit I don't really believe it will happen either
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13:57:37GodEatercertainly won't if no-one works on it :)
13:57:40Nico_Ppetur: no it doesn't. Bagder just put those in SVN for reference
13:58:19Nico_PI'm really impressed by the perseverance of the ZVM guys
14:00:48GodEaterit's what it would take to to get RB on the latter ipods
14:00:53GodEaterand there's certainly no-one doing it
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14:03:26Nico_Pmaybe someone should donate an ipod classic to mcuelenaere :)
14:04:15gevaertsGodEater: I think there's one more bug in that check : it won't reject reads or writes that are just one block too far. That's less urgent though I guess
14:05:00*GodEater is suddenly less keen to use it for writing
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14:06:10gevaertsGodEater: it's not that bad. The OS won't ask for those blocks anyway...
14:06:58fyrestormgevaerts: id like to test out your usb stack code, but i dont know how to compile XD
14:11:21gevaertsfyrestorm: I'll probably start to provide test builds in a few days. If you really want it now, I could probably provide a build for you. What player do you have ?
14:11:33fyrestormipod 5th gen 30gb
14:12:11Nico_Pgevaerts: if it's becoming stable enough you might want to consider enabling by default
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14:13:22LinusNthis reminds me of when i wrote the ATA writing support back in the days
14:13:31LinusNor rather the FAT32 write support
14:14:06LinusNthat's something you don't want to screw up
14:14:48fyrestormplease dont break my harddrive <3
14:16:09gevaertsJust to check, 5th gen 30gb is Video 32 MB, right ?
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14:16:25LinusNgevaerts: yes
14:17:33jpt9I'm on Vista and have Cygwin. I have eSpeak installed (as a SAPI voice); how would I go about creating a new .talk file (with all the menu items) for my Sansa e250R?
14:18:34gevaertsfyrestorm: it won't break the hardware. As far as I know it won't break the filesystem either, but you'll have to be careful not to hold the (select, menu, whatever it is on ipod) button while plugging in. In short, if you don't get the USB connect screen, unplug and try again.
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14:18:50gevaertsfyrestorm: it's building now
14:19:05fyrestormi dont press buttons anyway
14:19:11amiconnLinusN: Btw, when we are about to enable UMS, the sector 0 write protection in the ata driver has to go imo
14:19:11fyrestormwhen i plug it in
14:19:22LinusNamiconn: absolutely
14:19:41amiconnOtherwise it won't be possible to repartition the drive from rockbox usb mode
14:20:17*amiconn got a panic because of that protection in his first try of write speed test
14:20:18fyrestormi have an old ipod 4th gen too, but the hd on it is busted. perhaps i can donate it?
14:24:25joshinDoes the new rockbox USB stack work with the e2XX series machines?
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14:28:35GodEaterjoshin: yes it does
14:29:09joshinCool. Who wants to (or can) update the wiki... :)
14:29:24GodEaterwhich wiki page?
14:29:46gevaertsjoshin: it's not enabled by default yet.
14:30:30joshinAah. Well considering that the e2xx page says this for USB: "USB handler ALERT! - The Sansa recognises when the USB has been plugged in, but does nothing more. "
14:30:50joshinMaybe it should be enabled by default for the e2xx
14:31:07GodEaterit will be when it's ready...
14:31:10*joshin goes to update his repository, enable it, and kick off a build
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14:31:23jpt9oh yeah... is there any progress on getting rockbox to work on the new sansas?
14:31:30jpt9(I, luckily, have an old one.)
14:31:31GodEaterjpt9: no
14:32:22jpt9the one thing that sucks after showing people Doom on my Sansa is the fact that Rockbox doesn't work on any brand-new, latest model mp3 players. I mean, I don't blame you guys −− you're doing this all for free...
14:32:27jpt9and it's awesome!
14:32:34gevaertsjoshin: probably somewhere next week. There's still a few issues left
14:32:57gevaertsfyrestorm: gevaerts/ums/">
14:33:10joshinThat's what I get for not paying attention for a few weeks... :) Great work!
14:33:36gevaertsfyrestorm: let me know when you have it. I don't really want people to use it without being aware that there's work left.
14:33:39*jpt9 really wants a RockboxPlayer (the hardware you guys are developing) with like a 160GB HD in it :-)
14:33:45fyrestormgot it
14:33:45jpt9and a trackpoint for navigation...
14:33:49fyrestormyou can delete.
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14:34:06jpt9no, make that a telepathic user interface. and a 42-inch plasma screen. and it needs to cure deadly diseases while I sleep.
14:34:21fyrestormrestarting my ipod now
14:34:30jpt9(I can't seem to find the Dilbert comic strip that I just ripped off, but I know it's in The Dilbert Principle)
14:35:25jpt9oh yeah... is there any way you guys could pull off non-180 degree screen rotation?
14:35:36LinusNnot easily
14:35:47*jpt9 loves the Flip mode.
14:35:48GodEaterand for our next trick, world peace.
14:35:58jpt9it's much more comfortable to hold my Sansa with the wheel at the top.
14:36:10jpt9GodEater: would that be under Games, Apps, or Demos?
14:36:25GodEaterit's a new section we're planning
14:36:53jpt9now, if you could just run Rockbox on a iPhone, it would give new meaning to the term "JesusPhone" :-)
14:36:55GodEaterI'm working on the "Walk on water" plugin
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14:37:38GodEaterRockbox on iPhone is allegedly possible using the jailbreak and SDL
14:37:45GodEaterno-one's reported trying it though
14:37:57jpt9wait... rockbox can run using SDL?!
14:38:04jpt9why isn't there a PC port? :-)
14:38:05GodEaterthe simulator can
14:38:07GodEaterthere is
14:38:29jpt9well yeah... but I mean rockbox designed *for* a PC... or how about a Nokia Internet Tablet... no wait... an Asus eeePC...
14:38:37jpt9you guys kick ass.
14:38:48GodEaterwell - there's the development opportunity for you
14:39:03*GodEater uses the sim regularly to listen to music on his pc
14:39:09jpt9do you guys ever do Summer of Code?
14:39:19GodEaterwe did last year
14:39:36GodEaterthere's a wiki page about it
14:40:08GodEaterwma support was a direct result of last years SoC
14:40:09*petur thinks there will be a google announcement regarding GSoC on monday
14:40:16jpt9wait... it does wma?!
14:40:19GodEaterdo we have projects yet ?
14:40:31LinusNjpt9: which planet are you from? :-)
14:40:54jpt9i think I might have tried it before and it didn't work...
14:41:19*jpt9 grabs some audiobooks...
14:41:31peturGodEater: "Should we choose to do the program again, we will likely announce all this information on Monday" (gsoc mailinglist)
14:41:52GodEaterthat doesn't sound so promising =/
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14:42:58fyrestormhaha neat
14:43:15fyrestormtoshiba mk3008gal usb device
14:44:17fyrestormalthough before i tried putting my ipod back in
14:44:26fyrestormi started building a database for my music
14:44:31fyrestormwas initializing
14:44:35fyrestormand then the ipod shut off
14:44:39*amiconn thinks the sim is too cumbersome to use for regular music listening on a PC
14:44:47fyrestormrestarted it, low battery
14:44:50*GodEater doesn't find it so
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14:45:00jpt9huh... so it does play WMAs...
14:45:06*jpt9 still prefers MP3 or ogg...
14:45:07fyrestormbut now it seems like its going back to normal
14:45:14fyrestormOGG and FLAC please :)
14:45:21*jpt9 hasn't really used ogg, but now that he isn't on a Mac, using ogg is much easier.
14:45:25jpt9(VLC on Windows).
14:46:04jpt9yes, I know, I should run Linux. I was planning to, but Ubuntu wasn't really in a usable state for use on ThinkPad T61 laptops at the beginning of his freshman year of college.
14:47:52fyrestormgevaerts: very cool
14:49:22fyrestormquestion: now that im in usb through rockbox, how do i go about updating to a new build?
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14:49:29GodEatersame way you always do
14:49:34GodEaterunzip a to the drive
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14:49:44fyrestormnothing is in use?
14:49:53GodEaterit's all in memory
14:50:04fyrestormand when i unplug it from usb?
14:50:10fyrestormjust restart?
14:50:27GodEatereventually we should get ROLO working
14:50:38GodEaterit doesn't on the iPod for some reason at the moment
14:50:42fyrestormhey, this is a big step
14:52:33fyrestormoh now i have a recycle bin on my ipod
14:53:07GodEateryou should be able to change that in the drive properties in windows (iirc)
14:53:24peturRecycle Bin properties...
14:53:50fyrestormgot it.
14:55:41fyrestormanything i should try out?
14:55:49GodEateruse it ?
14:55:52fyrestormi am :D
14:55:58fyrestormcopying some music over
14:56:20preglowGodEater: i think it's meant to not sound promising, the earlier mails did sound promisingm
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14:56:52GodEaterpreglow: what do you mean? They're downplaying it for no reason ?
14:57:27preglowyeah :-)
14:57:31n1sGodEater: afaik rolo is working on ipods but not the detection of a new rockbox.ipod file after connecting.
14:57:35*GodEater hopes so
14:57:43GodEatern1s: I think it's the other way round
14:57:51GodEaterit detects the new .ipod, but ROLOing doesn't work
14:57:56GodEaterat least, that's what happened last time I tried
14:58:23n1shmm, i could swear linuxstb said it worked... /me goes digging through the svn log ;)
14:58:39GodEaterthis was a couple of weeks back
14:58:39preglowrolo works
14:58:43GodEaterhe may have fixed it since then
14:58:50preglowand has for quite some time
14:59:01preglowhasn't usb fixed detection of new rockbox.ipod yet?
14:59:15preglowno, it hasn't, i tried it yesterday, that's right
14:59:54pixelmaI also thought that RoLo works when used with rockbox.ipod but it couldn't load the OF or something
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15:01:27fyrestormusb mode doesnt notify you on the player if the disk is in use
15:03:15gevaertsfyrestorm: it doesn't show the USB connect screen ?
15:03:24fyrestormit does do that
15:03:36fyrestormbut im just comparing it to emergency mode
15:03:41fyrestormlike, the disk icon
15:03:46fyrestormon the top right
15:03:55LambdaCalculus37fyrestorm: you own an iPod, I assume.
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15:04:07*gevaerts doesn't have an ipod, but thinks he understands anyway
15:04:30fyrestormwhen the disk is in use, youll see an animated icon
15:05:00amiconnRockbox also has a disk activity icon. It's just not animated
15:05:45LambdaCalculus37But it's there, and you can tell when the disk is being accessed if you see it.
15:06:07n1swasn't there a suggestion about enabling the statusbar in usb screen so that one could see battery status, etc (which would also bring the disk activity icon)
15:06:09LambdaCalculus37Even some WPS themes have a disk icon or some kind of indicator that the disk is being accessed.
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15:07:50fyrestormmy ipod keeps restarting everytime i try to build a database
15:08:17alteregodo you ever throw anything out that is absolutely valuable and delicious to eat like chicken wings?
15:08:40LambdaCalculus37alterego: No, but we do warn people to keep it on-topic in this channel.
15:08:48fyrestormand the battery reports as depleted
15:09:09LambdaCalculus37fyrestorm: That's strange. Which iPod do you have?
15:09:14fyrestorm5th gen
15:09:17gevaertsI can probably provide data on usb bandwidth usage and host disk in-use status. From those someone can probably show some nice status icons in the user interface
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15:09:38LambdaCalculus375.5G here, 30GB.
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15:10:30gevaertsfyrestorm: can you try with a standard build, just in case ? I doubt if the USB stack work can cause this, but maybe I did something wrong with the build
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15:11:06LambdaCalculus37Ah, so that's what that was. :P
15:11:13*LambdaCalculus37 should read the logs next time ;)
15:11:38fyrestormwait no
15:11:46fyrestormim wrong about disk activity
15:11:50fyrestormi see the icon now
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15:16:01GodEaterit just flicks on and off
15:16:06GodEaterit's no on continuously
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15:17:02LambdaCalculus37But at least you know when it's accessing the disk.
15:17:22fyrestormi didnt see it before when i was deleting files
15:17:36amiconnn1s: Statusbar is displayed in the usb screen...
15:19:09preglowanyone know how charging works in rockbox now, btw? didn't rockbox charge slower than retailos before?
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15:19:46preglowspeaking ipods here
15:20:05*DerPapst 's ipod can't speak...
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15:24:36pixelmaDerPapst: turn on the voice UI ;)
15:25:46alteregodoes it ever bother you if people give you things when you aren't even ready?
15:26:22DerPapstpixelma: nah.. that'd be too easy ;-)
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15:27:22preglowDerPapst: these can!
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15:35:45preglowaccording to lsusb, my usb disk claims it needs 2 ma max power...
15:36:03preglowshould be a breeze for my nano to power it, then!
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15:39:16LambdaCalculus37What's a good font to use to properly display Chinese characters?
15:39:36fyrestormdoesnt the cabbie theme support unicode?
15:39:36LambdaCalculus37I have a co-worker running Rockbox on her iPod nano.
15:41:26LambdaCalculus37The cabbie theme does have Unicode support, but Unifont is just too damn big.
15:41:54preglowis unifont all the unicode fonts we have? :V
15:42:19LambdaCalculus37We have the Sazanami fonts, but not all Chinese characters display with that.
15:42:41preglowtruetype! :D
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15:45:04*LambdaCalculus37 remembered hearing something about working on DejaVu fonts for Rockbox some time back
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15:49:17NixerXHey will rockbox work on a sansa e250 firmware v1?
15:50:09dionoeait should
15:50:35LambdaCalculus37NixerX: If the firmware in the Sansa starts with a 1, then the hardware is a v1.
15:50:43LambdaCalculus37That means you can use Rockbox.
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15:50:59NixerXThank you. Is there a way / directions to reinstall the Sansa firmware?
15:51:21LambdaCalculus37NixerX: Ask and you shall receive:
15:51:29LambdaCalculus37Our lovely and fine manual will guide the way.
15:51:34hamdiyaany ETA on the viewports?
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15:52:15kugelgevaerts: excellent work
15:52:15NixerXLambdaCalculus37, nice!
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15:54:24NixerXLambdaCalculus37, last thing. Usng the utlity, I set the mount point to the drive (f:) but it says "no sansa found".
15:54:30NixerXWhat am I doing wrong?
15:54:50pixelmais your Sansa in MSC mode?
15:54:50LambdaCalculus37Is your Sansa set to use MSC mode?
15:55:06LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Wow, same time. :)
15:55:16NixerXlol. I see it as that MSC ,pde
15:55:19gevaertskugel: thanks
15:55:32LambdaCalculus37That's MSC mode.
15:55:39NixerXIs that bad?
15:55:47kugelgevaerts: I saw you have svn commit access now, I wonder why your real name isn't stated
15:55:48LambdaCalculus37No, that's good. You want MSC mode.
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15:56:13NixerXI have a MicroSd card in too
15:56:14peturkugel: the script isn't up to date yet it seems
15:56:35pixelmakugel: because the front page script...
15:56:42kugelah ok
15:56:51LambdaCalculus37NixerX: Try using the options on the second tab of RBUtil.
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15:57:35NixerXLambdaCalculus37, installing the boot loader says no sansa found.
15:57:40pixelmaNixerX: and you run rbutil as root/with administrator rights?
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15:58:02NixerXpixelma, yes, I am
15:58:07kugelI'm a bit dissapointed that I couldn't help testing the USB stuff intensivly, since there were allready a decent number of sansa users testing it. But that doesn't overcome my happyness that it's working now
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15:59:28NixerXMy mouse disapeard :)
15:59:46NixerXVists is sh!t
15:59:53NixerX*vista* :)
16:00:03peturKugel: the name translation works partially, see
16:00:04LambdaCalculus37NixerX: I feel your pain, but let's get back to installation.
16:00:18LambdaCalculus37If RBUtil isn't working, we'll do it manually.
16:00:19NixerXLambdaCalculus37, ok.
16:00:44LambdaCalculus37Download this:
16:00:45kugelpetur: ah ok
16:00:46pixelmaah, Vista. There was something about a user access setting in vista, though I don't remember exactly what it was
16:01:16NixerXpixelma,I killed UAC along time ago
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16:03:22LambdaCalculus37NixerX: Can you download a build of Rockbox for your Sansa and extract it to the root of the device?
16:03:31NixerXok. 1 sec
16:03:39NixerXdoin it now.
16:04:32LambdaCalculus37You should have a .rockbox folder in the Sansa when you're done.
16:04:40LambdaCalculus37Note the . in the folder name.
16:05:42NixerXLambdaCalculus37, I restarted my sansa and the util is working now.
16:06:16LambdaCalculus37Okay, then install the bootloader.
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16:06:42NixerXDo you think this would work for the e250r's? I have freinds that have them.
16:06:58LambdaCalculus37Rockbox will work on the R series, but the install instructions are different.
16:07:06LambdaCalculus37It's a little trickier to do.
16:07:42NixerXWell this util is frikkin sweet.
16:08:09NixerXHOw big of a MicroSD can I stick in this thing? 8g?
16:08:25LambdaCalculus37Up to 32GB, in theory.
16:08:41NixerXvery nice....who needs an Ipod :)
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16:09:07LambdaCalculus37The people who have that and only that as their DAP. :)
16:09:23NixerXOk ok....very PC :)
16:09:37NixerXSo once I reboot the sansa thats it?
16:10:00LambdaCalculus37Yes, it should should the SanDisk logo, then the Rockbox splash will appear.
16:10:20NixerXbingo mate...thanks
16:10:28LambdaCalculus37Tell us if it works.
16:10:44NixerXits working far as booting :)
16:11:19NixerXThemes work.
16:11:32LambdaCalculus37Try playing a song or two.
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16:12:38aliaskjhMikeS, Nico_P: I have begun documenting the MC13783 registers over at
16:12:54aliaskHopefully some useful stuff in there.
16:12:55LambdaCalculus37NixerX: Sounds like we have a successful install on our hands. :)
16:13:37NixerXMany thanks!
16:13:57*LambdaCalculus37 gives NixerX the Power of Rockbox!
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16:26:21NixerXLambdaCalculus37, should i be able to access the storage on the sansa while rockbox is on?
16:27:26LambdaCalculus37Our USB stack still needs to be finished, so for now, you have to use the original firmware.
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16:27:45LambdaCalculus37You can still access it by pressing |<< as you turn your Sansa on.
16:28:39LambdaCalculus37Once our USB stack is completed, you'll never have to look at the original firmware ever again. :)
16:29:09NixerXThat will be awesome... time line?
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16:29:33LambdaCalculus37You'll see the announcement on the front page of
16:29:54NixerXThanks again.
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16:34:45fyrestormok, trying to build a database in the new build is really draining my battery in rockbox
16:34:56fyrestormive never seen it do this before
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16:39:21hamdiyaquestion for the gurus here :P
16:39:29hamdiyacan i change the font color for a wps
16:41:17GodEater <−− if you're so tech saavy - why do something so dumb ?
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16:43:33hamdiyayou should post that
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16:51:55hamdiyaGodEather: is it possible to change the font color for a wps?
16:52:21GodEaterthe wps font colour is the same as the the currently configured foreground colour
16:53:08hamdiyasoo, it's user configured?
16:53:23GodEateragain, you can configure it in the .cfg you ship with your theme
16:53:27GodEatermost theme authors do
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16:53:45hamdiyaim just making a wps atm
16:54:26GodEaterthen you can't change the colour
16:55:24hamdiyaout of curiosity, is the wps the hardest part in making a theme?
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16:56:40GodEaterdepends how you define "hard"
16:57:14hamdiya"hardest part"
16:57:32hamdiyaas in
16:57:45hamdiyathe other stuff are easier than the wps
16:58:13GodEateryes, but what do you consider the "wps"? Just the text file? Or the images it's loading?
17:00:54GodEaterwell I personally find the text file part a doddle, and the images mind numbingly difficult - but that's because I've all the art skills of a quadraplegic oranutang
17:07:21gevaertsAm I right in my understanding that SYS_EVENTs are distinguished by local events by having some higher bits set, so using "small" numbers for local events is safe ?
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17:13:39GodEaterback from Cairo now ?
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17:20:49hamdiyaGodEater:is there a quickway to reload the wps in the simulator
17:21:13GodEaterwhy keep asking me ?
17:21:18GodEaterI don't do wps work....
17:21:38hamdiyai know, but ur theonly one here
17:21:45GodEater144 total...
17:21:53hamdiyano one replies
17:22:11hamdiyaif ur busy, tell me
17:22:45LambdaCalculus37hamdiya: Oi oi, no shorthanding. Say "you're" or "you are", not "ur".
17:22:58LambdaCalculus37Please think of the visually impaired and our foreign visitors.
17:23:09hamdiyaops sry
17:23:15hamdiyawont happen again
17:24:38rasherhamdiya: I'm pretty sure the only way to reload is to open the theme file. You could browse to the theme theme dir and switch back and forth between the wps and file browser (depending on which target you're using, it's usually the "select" button to go from wps->filebrowser and "play" button to go from filebrowser->wps
17:25:16hamdiyarasher:im actually using a simulator for the moment
17:25:32hamdiyai usually just goto the menu and reload the wps
17:25:36rasherhamdiya: yeah but there are still differences in button layout depending on which target you're simulating
17:26:22hamdiyawill the file manager remember my previous location?
17:26:45hamdiyahey thanks!
17:29:25linuxstbI normally just close the sim, and re-open it (with resume enabled)
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18:22:56*Nico_P want to try to fix FS #8215 but can't repro
18:23:09Nico_Pneither on the sim nor on the ipod
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18:32:30kfazzanybody know how to read from usb-serial? using cat /dev/ttyUSB0 hardlocks my computer. haven't tried without storage enabled though.
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18:37:43w1ll14mi have a question...
18:37:59w1ll14mwhen i have my eq on, i can't change the volume of an ogg song.... is that correct ?
18:38:36Domonokyw1ll14m: that doesnt sound correct..
18:38:45w1ll14mhmm strange...
18:39:33Lloreanis this with an official build?
18:40:22w1ll14mno it's not an official build....
18:40:34w1ll14mthat's why i'n not whining about it ;)
18:40:41w1ll14mjust asking if it was normal ;)
18:40:51LloreanYou could test with an official build first, then ask.
18:40:53LloreanAs per the usual guidelines
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18:41:23w1ll14myeah, you're right... i should have done that first...
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18:48:17pondlifeNico_P: I've not been able to reproduce either the bookmark, or resume issues
18:48:23pondlifeThey sound very similar
18:48:37Nico_Ppondlife: were you ever able to?
18:48:47pondlifeOn H300 or sim
18:48:57Nico_PI don't even get the audio skipping :(
18:49:07pondlifeI've been using long files, but all CBR MP3
18:49:20pondlifeHave you tried with long OGGs?
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18:49:47Nico_PI don't have any but I have a few AAC podcasts
18:50:33pondlifeIt seems to be reproducible for some people.. you know - the people who lust after r16099
18:50:54pondlifep.s. I've not forgotten that hard disk, just been very very busy
18:51:08Nico_Pno worry
18:54:42*gevaerts is trying to find his way in a maze of usb states
18:55:03*pondlife draws a diagram
18:56:01*scorche|sh hands gevaerts to keep the grues away
18:56:15*scorche|sh adds "a lantern" tot he above statement
18:56:46*JdGordon|w offers a freeking gps and lazers and shit to make it slightly easier than just a boring lantern
18:57:25JdGordon|walthough.. i can understand hwy scorche only offered a lantern.... not helping in the bank heist means he doesnt have quite as much disposble moneys needing laundering
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18:58:08*gevaerts tries some magic words and gets a linker error : undefined reference to `xyzzy'
18:58:33carsHello, how long should it take to boot Rockbox on a 2gen Ipod? The Rockbox splash screen is showing and the hard drive is active but it's been like that for a few minutes.
19:00:33Domonokynot this long, only a few seconds..
19:00:54carsOK. I've probably run into a problem installing it, then. .I'll head back to the documentation and try it all again.
19:01:08gevaertsTry checking the filesystem
19:01:21w1ll14mmight be a few bad blocks ?
19:01:39w1ll14mi've had a problem like that....
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19:01:59w1ll14mand my harddisk had a lot bad blocks....
19:02:05w1ll14mso i had to threw the disk away...
19:02:26w1ll14mand took my old ipod 5g 30GB harddisk and it worked like a charm again
19:03:33carsThat's good that you got it working, but I haven't had any problems using the default apple firmware yet, so I hope that's not what it is.
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19:04:07w1ll14mi don't hope so too, also my apple os was running just fine....
19:04:30w1ll14monly rockbox won't boot and music was unreadable
19:04:54carsWere you able to go back to the Apple OS for it to work?
19:05:00w1ll14mfirst time running rockbox on that device ?
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19:05:38w1ll14mi could load my OF, but it won't play songs... because of my disk had a lot of badblocks....
19:05:48gevaertsIs there an easy way to find out what #defines like HAVE_MMC mean ?
19:06:16*Llorean resists saying "It has an MMC slot" because he's sure that's not what's being asked. :)
19:06:20carsw1ll14m: No bad blocks according to windows.
19:06:31w1ll14mhmm ....
19:06:37*gevaerts meant that as an example.
19:06:45Nico_Ppondlife: long AAC podcasts resume fine too :(
19:06:47w1ll14mthen it's probably something else ;)
19:07:06pondlifeNico_P: OGG or FLAC seem to be named most in reports.
19:07:11Nico_Pand I still can't get that damn skipping issue
19:07:18carsw1ll14m: Good, I guess. :)
19:07:20Lloreangevaerts: I don't know if there's any central reference for them, sorry. =/
19:07:43Nico_Ppondlife: ah amiconn did have some FLAC files but I tried them out and didn't see any problems. do they have to be long?
19:07:46w1ll14mcars, are you using a fresh build ?
19:07:47Lloreanpondlife: Meaning maybe something in the metadata parser instead, somehow?
19:08:07pondlifeMaybe a race where the metadata isn't always ready on time?
19:08:39carsw1ll14m: Current build, yes.
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19:08:56pondlifePeople report that the position bar initially appears correct (i.e. during the track) but then either resets to the start, or other weirdness - like rerurning to the browser
19:08:58scorche|shperhaps it is a good time to make an IfDef wikipage to keep track of them...
19:08:58Nico_PLlorean, pondlife: could be
19:09:16Nico_Preturning to the browser is often a sign of codec error
19:09:17JdGordon|wgevaerts: no :( HAVE_MMC is the ondio which has an external MMC slot
19:09:27w1ll14mcars: hmm strange
19:10:04gevaertsI guess the Ondio SP uses a hardware USB bridge ?
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19:10:38rashergevaerts: correct
19:10:44w1ll14mcars: maybe try to reinstall the bootloader... i don't have much experiance with 2nd gen
19:10:48*gevaerts is trying to integrate the full usb stack cleanly in usb.c, preferably without breaking other players
19:12:51carsw1ll14m: If I get the splash screen, hasn't the boot loader already done its thing? I assume Rockbox is linux-based, right?
19:13:01*Nico_P is cursed with the inability to make bugs appear
19:13:05scorche|shcars: it isnt
19:13:05pondlifecars: You assume wrong
19:13:16carsI stand corrected.
19:13:20w1ll14mi won't repeat the rest ;)
19:13:22*gevaerts wants to borrow Nico_P's curse
19:13:40Lloreancars: Which splash screen do you get?
19:13:40Nico_Pgevaerts: it's not a good one, believe me
19:14:18gevaertsNico_P: depends on what 'appears' means exactly I guess
19:14:45Nico_Pyeah. I meant "reproduce bugs that I know exist"
19:15:08*gevaerts doesn't want that curse after all
19:15:46carsLlorean: The one that says Rockbox in a graphic at the top and Ver. r16360-080220 at the bottom.
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19:17:11Nico_Pthe UI feels really sluggish when the CPU isn't boosted
19:18:38pondlifeNico_P: Do you have a Sansa?
19:18:53pondlifeThat might be the reason for the curse
19:18:56JdGordon|wgevaerts: if its easier, split it up into usb-hw.c and usb-sw.c ?
19:18:56Nico_Pspeaking about the ipod video here
19:19:14Nico_PI thought the video 80 GB was the most buggy target
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19:19:48Lloreancars: Okay, that's the proper boot screen, and it means you got past the bootloader. Which bootloader did you install, and what method did you use to install it?
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19:20:12pondlifeI suspect that somehow the flash players may react differently when buffering. Timing and stuff.
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19:20:36gevaertsJdGordon|w: that might be a good idea. It would certainly reduce the risk of breaking things.
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19:21:45star_jasminehi... I have a few questions. in today's changelog, I understand that sapi 4 voices can now be created. I am using cygwin, and wondered how to do this.
19:22:24star_jasminemy next question is about the usb mode in rockbox. #define USE_ROCKBOX_USB is required to enable it. where do I put this string?
19:23:24Nico_Ppondlife: then I might need to get my hands on a sansa
19:23:29carsLlorean: I've tried both the Utility install and the manual install with the same result each time. I restored completely via itunes between reinstalls. Currently, I'm using the Utility install and installing the bootloader using that.
19:23:43pondlifeNico_P: I've been thinking the same
19:23:52pondlifeI have no PP targets, and no flash targets
19:23:59Nico_Pthat I need one? :p
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19:25:31pondlifeNico_P: Haha, of course
19:26:28Lloreancars: I was just making sure you weren't using Loader2 or anything like that. I don't know, really, at this point.
19:27:56carsI found a similar issue in the "Ipod install went wrong" thread which suggested deleting a config file in the .rockbox directory and rebooting.
19:28:23carsI could try that, but, as stated in the thread, it's better to find out what the problem is and how to fix it than simply use a workaround.
19:28:33w1ll14monce the bootloader has loaded... you can switch to hold.. which also should clear the config
19:29:32carsw1ll14m: so immediately after I see the Rockbox splash, turn hold on and leave it on?
19:30:01Lloreancars: Before that
19:30:22w1ll14mbut not to early, then it will load OF
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19:30:26Lloreancars: There should be a point after the apple logo appears, when the backlight turns on. Shortly after that, but before the Rockbox logo, should be the right time
19:30:38gevaertsCan I assume that all PP502x devices will use software usb ?
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19:30:59carsLlorean: OK. I'll try that.
19:31:27pondlifegevaerts: Yes, but I'd think it should be a different #ifdef trigger (in case you were thinking of cheating)
19:31:37DerPapstLlorean: while speaking of loader 2.... can you add a link to the official iPodLinux wiki page for Loader 2 to your post here:
19:32:47carsLlorean: There's no delay between the Apple logo and the Rockbox one.
19:32:55gevaertspondlife: I'm mainly thinking about how usb_detect() in usb-fw-pp502x.c (specifically) needs to behave.
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19:33:17DerPapstLlorean: and maybe add a note that when they have problems with intalling it that they should posts their questions in the ipl forums
19:33:30DerPapstLlorean: thanks
19:34:15gevaertspondlife: I think there are already more than enough #ifdefs that test for the wrong #define
19:34:16carsLlorean: Is there a file I can simply erase in the rockbox directory that will get rid of the config instead?
19:34:26pondlifegevaerts: Indeed :)
19:34:44JdGordon|wgevaerts: can usb be as a usb serial host?
19:35:18gevaertsJdGordon|w: as opposed to device ? That would require full OTG support.
19:35:24w1ll14mcars: there should be a config file in .rockbox
19:35:34w1ll14mif you remove it rockbox will create a new one
19:36:02JdGordon|wgevaerts: yes, damn, is that possible to add?
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19:36:16w1ll14mcars: i forgot the config file name
19:36:18carsw1ll14m: I see tagnavi.config and viewers.config. Is it either of those?
19:36:26w1ll14mcars: nope,
19:36:40w1ll14mnot one of those
19:36:54w1ll14myeah that's it
19:37:02gevaertsJdGordon|w: in theory yes, but it would need a new driver.
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19:37:33gevaertsJdGordon|w: Lots of people seem to want it, so it should be easy to find volunteers for that ;-)
19:37:36*JdGordon|w likes not hearing no :)
19:38:05pondlifeNot many people have commented on
19:38:21JdGordon|walso, you have ums and usb serial device right? can they both be active at the same time (i assume not?) so do we need a way to decide which mode to put usb into?
19:38:23carsw1ll14m: That file doesn't exist, which seems to me that it freezes before it's able to make the .cfg file.
19:38:35pondlifeI really like the new layout - and MarcGuay has good attention to detail
19:38:40w1ll14mcars: it seems like it
19:39:16w1ll14mpondlife: i like the way the menu's work at the moment ;)
19:39:20LloreanDerPapst: Done
19:39:43pondlifew1ll14m: I don't mind, but it could be better
19:39:43DerPapstLlorean: thank you :-)
19:39:44Lloreancars: It won't make a .cfg file during booting anyway. You have to change some settings first, and it sounds like you've never gotten it to boot
19:39:55linuxstbcars: Unless it's been fixed, I think you've just hit the common 2nd gen (and 1st/3rd gen) ipod bug - certain Rockbox builds freeze for an unknown reason. The solution is just to try different builds until you find one that works.
19:40:02pixelmacars: just reading the logs a bit, still have a problem on your 2nd gen Ipod? You might suffer from a problem with the early Ipods currently, see here
19:40:30gevaertsJdGordon|w: they can be active at the same time. It works in linux, but windows didn't seem to see the serial device. Phill has a WIP patch to add logf() support to this, but I haven't seen that yet
19:41:17DerPapstLlorean: not sure if it's a typo... "Then, as you may have noticed it's at ipodlinux, you should go to their forums and seek support for it their" last word has to be "there"?
19:41:30pixelmacars: though that post hasn't been updated for a while, I'd try different different daily builds (builds page > daily builds > "older")
19:41:39LloreanDerPapst: It should be, yes.
19:42:13LloreanDerPapst: I was thinking "you should seek their support" vs "you should seek support there" and managed to get them both wrong.
19:42:54DerPapsthehe :-)
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19:43:40gevaertsJdGordon|w: Part of my current work is making what usb class drivers actually get enabled runtime selectable
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19:46:20JdGordon|wgevaerts: ok, If you need a gui done let me know... (even adding a simple menu option for this can be a PITA)
19:48:17carspixelma: Thanks, I'll try that. Can I simply delete the .rockbox directory and unzip the files, or do I have to go through the whole install each time?
19:49:03Lloreanpondlife: Note in the forums: Please try to type "reproduce" rather than "repro", for the same reasons we always say. :)
19:49:13gevaertsJdGordon|w: Thanks. I don't really need one yet (I can use #defines just fine), but we will need something eventually. I guess the first requirement will be a debug setting to enable usb-serial logf() output (which will enable usb-serial at the same time)
19:49:14pondlifeAh, ok
19:49:28pondlifeI use repro all the time as a word ;)
19:50:07JdGordon|wgevaerts: yeah, but eventually it might be nice to switch them in the same binary
19:50:36pixelmacars: the usual "update" method is just to unzip the new version over the old one, with a good unzip tool you don't even have to delete the old files (in your case the build is older but the installation is the same)
19:53:48gevaertsJdGordon|w: Maybe we van start with debug menu entries to enable/disable storage and serial. If people find this useful (or we get more class drivers) it can be moved to settings later.
19:54:30LloreanThey should definitely be in "Debug" as long as the only "User" one is UMS
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19:55:49pondliferasher: ?#
19:56:12rasherpondlife: gevaerts mentioned "more class drivers" - I just suggested audio as the obvious one to add.
19:56:27gevaertsrasher: go ahead ! We can't enable audio at the same time as anything else though. It needs two sets of endpoints, which is all the chip provides.
19:57:13pondlifeSlasheri: I'm able to reproduce a nice click when I start playback... and it's caused by crossfade :)
19:57:19*gevaerts proposes HID, so people used to rockbox doom can play doom on their PC with the same keys
19:57:20pixelmacars: and you probably don't need to go through the complete installation process, it seems the bootloader is installed correctly so you only need to install a new build
19:57:30rasherThough I'm not sure what the point of using your DAP as sound card would be
19:58:00JdGordon|wcoz you can?!
19:58:36rashergevaerts: I guess that's the other class that might make the slightest bit of sense
19:58:44gevaertsBecause you have a laptop without sound jack, and you want to use your headphones ?
19:58:48Domonokyunfortunatly the h1x0 players dont have software USB, or else you would have a soundcard with digital in/out :-)
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19:59:13*Llorean looks forward to all this on the Gigabeast
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19:59:32LloreanThe Gigabeat S comes with an adapter to convert its mini USB jack into a normal sized one.
20:00:28Domonokythe audio class could be interesting for players with fm radio :-)
20:01:00gevaertsAre there actually players with an fm radio that has decent reception ?
20:01:10pondlifeH300 is fine
20:01:18JdGordon|wwith the headphones plugged in it can be ok reception
20:01:27n1swe obviously need a USB host driver too :)
20:01:42rasherNeither the h120 or the e200's FM was of any use to me
20:01:43Lloreangevaerts: My e200, c200, and H100 all get decent reception where I used to live.
20:01:47*JdGordon|w just wants serial host :D
20:02:14JdGordon|w... bluetooth usb could be sweet also
20:02:31*JdGordon|w not sure whats needed for that
20:02:31pixelmathere is not a big difference wrt reception between my c200 and my OndioFM (uses the same tuner as the irivers), I think it's ok
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20:02:47JdGordon|wcontrol rockbox with my bluetooth headset instead of just the volume
20:02:51n1sJdGordon|w: custom dock with wireless remote!
20:03:37n1s(blutooth dongle + cellphone or similar) :D
20:04:02Phillgevaerts: I posted the logf usb-serial patch at −− it's a bit messy as I wasn't sure how best to determine the usb-serial was ready, so just assume it is when the first bit of data is recevied on the serial port. There are probably a lot more problems than that, but I'm too busy to work on it more at the moment.
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20:06:39gevaertsPhill: thanks. I'll have a look at it once I get my usb connection working again (I'm in the middle of some code rework)
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20:08:08Phillgevaerts: no problem. Hopefully it's of a bit of use!
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20:13:08fliegenderfroschI would like to apply the RTC-Mod to my iriver H140, which requires a manual build. As I haven't done that before, I would like to load the new build to the player BEFORE modding it. Is there a problem if I use Rockbox with the RTC-Mod enabled with a player without the RTC-Mod?
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20:15:17JdGordon|wiirc that patch does work in a non modded h100 fine
20:15:41LloreanYeah, I'm pretty sure it's okay. If it's not, it can't do any permanent harm, you'd just need to roll back.
20:16:21fliegenderfroschOK, thanks, I'll try it.
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20:17:52carsThanks for your help, guys! It's working now, and seems to be the 2g bug that pixelma mentioned. I'm running the build from 2/17.
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20:19:01pixelmanice you got it working (btw. linuxstb also mentioned it) :)
20:19:20carsThanks linuxstb as well!
20:20:01Phillgevaerts: I'm not sure if you've observed this, but with the code in svn, only about 50% of letters of letters sent to my e200 via serial get echoed back with the case changed. The rest just get echoed back as they were.
20:20:20BigBambiDoes the new USB stack work on H10 if enabled?
20:20:26fyrestormipod doesnt seem to charge with new usb stack code
20:20:32*BigBambi is making sure before answering a forum thread
20:20:42BigBambiI think so, but you never know
20:21:20fyrestormcharges if i put it in emergency disk mode, though
20:21:54pixelmaBigBambi: I _think_ I read in the logs that amiconn tested it yesterday (or in the night) but if you want to make sure...
20:22:08BigBambifyrestorm: How is emergency disk mode related in the slightest?
20:22:17BigBambipixelma: OK, cheers
20:22:45LloreanBigBambi: I guess it means "The hardware still charges"
20:22:50fyrestormBigBambi: ipod with rockbox usually reboots to emergency disk mode to access the hd
20:23:09fyrestormit doesnt charge when im in usb mode in rockbox
20:23:45BigBambifyrestorm: I know, but the emergency disk mode is Apple code, not rockbox. So apart from confirming that your hardware still works...
20:23:54BigBambipixelma: Yes he did and yes it does
20:24:03perrikwpfyrestorm: I have found that it doesn't charge while writing, but if it is idle it does charge
20:24:21perrikwpat least with my testing on the new usb code
20:24:27pixelmaBigBambi: :)
20:24:42fyrestormi left it on for a good 2 hours and so no charge to my battery
20:24:48fyrestormsaw no charge*
20:25:04fyrestormrebooted it into emergency mode and it charged quick
20:25:26BigBambifyrestorm: You are aware that emergency disk mode is apple code?
20:25:43BigBambiOK, lots of people aren't
20:25:53fyrestormim making a comparison.
20:26:20BigBambiAnd I don't understand the value of that comparison other than to show the hardware still works
20:26:23fyrestormthat yes, when im in apple mode, it charged.
20:26:36fyrestormbecause im using the new usb stack code?
20:26:40BigBambiSince the rockbox code is still under heavy development
20:26:47BigBambifyrestorm: So?
20:27:01fyrestormso im reporting what i see?
20:27:05Lloreanfyrestorm: How about this: What exactly are you asking for?
20:27:25BigBambiI know, and I don't know what information of any value it gives, and I am trying to find out if there is some
20:27:29LloreanThen why are you here telling us these things. The code is quite incomplete.
20:27:55fyrestormsorry for trying to help :P
20:28:12BigBambiWe know that Apple disk mode works, and gevaerts knows what works in the rockbox USB - thus I don't see what it brings
20:28:14LloreanWell, I don't mean to sound offensive, but if you want to help, try to be clear in what you're saying, and *why* you're saying it.
20:28:23BigBambifyrestorm: I didn't mean to be offensive at all
20:28:27fyrestormok cool
20:28:32BigBambiI just thought I might be missing something
20:28:46fyrestormno, i was just reporting what i noticed in the past few hours
20:28:57fyrestormi dont know if you guys know ;P
20:29:16BigBambifyrestorm: Loads of people thing Apple disk mode is rockbox code, and therefore your question could have been if charging works in one bit of rockbox why doesn't it in another
20:29:54fyrestormi know that, i was just wondering why it wasnt charging in rockbox usb mode.
20:29:59*BigBambi was attempting to clarify, but just succesfully confused everyone instead
20:30:05BigBambifyrestorm: Cos it isn't finished
20:30:16BigBambiThat is why you had to change defines and then compile
20:30:23BigBambi(or someone who gave you the build did
20:30:37fyrestormgevaerts gave me the build
20:30:43BigBambiAnd he is the one developing it
20:30:58BigBambiSurely it is clear it isn't finished then?
20:31:03fyrestormso i just wanted to report bug
20:31:09fyrestormi know its not.
20:31:15BigBambiIt isn't a bug
20:31:20BigBambiIT isn't done yet
20:31:27BigBambithere is a big difference
20:31:47fyrestormwell, he said earlier he didnt have an ipod to test with, so i just wanted to throw in feedback
20:32:05BigBambifyrestorm: Any way, not an issue
20:32:16BigBambiI'm sorry this got extended so much
20:32:23fyrestormok word
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20:39:23scorche|shsuch a beast as "irc social skills" exists? ;)
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20:55:55bluebrotherBagder: I've updated the linux binary of rbutil (link statically against libusb too). Can you move it from to the dl server?
20:56:51jaytowhen will rockbox be a full stable version?
20:57:08BigBambijayto: No ETAs
20:57:44BigBambiFirst define full, then define stable, then and only then, go onto we don't know
20:58:00BigBambiETA estimated time of arrival
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20:58:13jaytoi see
20:58:24bluebrotherRockbox is quite stable ...
20:58:34BigBambiRockbox is written in spare times by volunteers
20:58:37jaytoyes well my dad can't use it he says
20:58:49jaytoi have no probem tho
20:58:56BigBambiUnfortunately "real life" gets in the way of people working on it full time
20:59:18jaytowell its good to see ppl working one day ill devolop too
20:59:22BigBambiAnd I find it very stable of the two targets I use most often, gigabeat F and H140
20:59:26bluebrotherif he can't use it ... well, I don't think much people will be sad because of that ;-)
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21:00:00fliegenderfroschI also have no problems at all on my H140
21:00:23jaytohe has a ipod 4th gen grayscale
21:00:31jaytobrb guys dog need to walk
21:00:57fliegenderfroschI do think though that the interface is more for technical people
21:02:03*gevaerts decides to replace the entire usb detection code for portalplayer by a new interrupt-driven approach
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21:07:00*fliegenderfrosch just created his own Rockbox build and it works.
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21:15:06gevaertsWhat kind of USB controller does the iRiver h300 have ?
21:15:29n1shardware thingy
21:15:40n1sor do you mean the host one?
21:16:23gevaertsn1s: I am splitting a new usb-sw.c off of usb.c, for software usb targets, and I want to know if I need to keep support for the H300 in there
21:16:54peturthe usb host one is an isp1362
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21:17:13n1sthe h300 uses a hardware usb<->ata bridge similar to most of the older targets
21:18:01gevaertsI'm not going to think about host support right now, and the fewer #ifdefs I need in this new code the better
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21:19:49*gevaerts hopes to get working usb with new-style connection handling today.
21:21:24LambdaCalculus37gevaerts is our hero. :)
21:21:24fliegenderfroschI'm leaving. I just wanted to say thanks to the Rockbox devs, each time I get a new version, there are more things I like about it.
21:21:26jaytowell it mostly has problems trying to get a song to play wile going down the road
21:21:37jaytomy dads ipod
21:21:45jaytoi hacked it for him
21:21:47jaytoi hacked my ipod nano too
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21:21:56gevaertsJust to make sure, do the portalplayer targets automatically charge when usb is connected, or does the current code do something to enable it ?
21:22:02jaytonot really hacked jsut loaded rockbox
21:22:10carsStill playing around with this now that it's working. This is amazing. I swear the music sounds better in Rockbox.
21:23:15LambdaCalculus37cars: You should see the flexibility you have now with sound settings.
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21:24:52jaytoand he can't use it im honist i donno what it is
21:25:08jaytohe just gets all back out of the menu or pops the contex menu up or
21:25:36jaytoi just gota configure it right i guss
21:26:27jaytodoes rock box fully work on ipods like have all of what the ipods firmware does
21:27:15bluebrotherfor example, it doesn't have full usb yet.
21:27:22jaytoi really want to replace ipods firemware
21:27:25jaytoyes i know that
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21:27:45scorche|shjayto: have you had a look at the manual?
21:27:46bluebrotherwell, check the manual and see if you're something missing from the appleos.
21:28:02carsIt's working on my 2nd gen, however. I checked out Rockbox a couple years ago or so and they didn't have support for it. Now they do.
21:28:09jaytoi read it quite a bit
21:28:36jaytoumm my 1 gen nano works good
21:28:57jaytoits just i donno he keeps hallerin he wants to go back to itunes
21:29:11jaytoand i no like them
21:29:52jaytoi just have turble finding a music mannager for editing his music tags and updating the songs to his ipode
21:30:27jaytoi have to manually edit the filenames and manually copy the files to the folder and replace to old ones
21:30:53jaytobut if i do that will it replace to old ones or just put the recent copys ther beside the old ones
21:32:12jaytome i can't store a lot of song on mine its 1 gig so i just dleate and start new
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21:32:46scorche|shit sounds like you are looking for music management software rather than help with rockbox..
21:33:01jaytono lol
21:33:09jaytoim sorry
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21:33:49jaytoi have problems like i was trying to play a song on his but it keeped freaseing
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21:34:16jaytoi donno ill figure it out
21:34:19Febsjayto, before you continue, would you kindly take a look at our channel guidelines?
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21:34:26jaytonow i know thers good help on the irc chat
21:34:45jaytoyeah ill look at that
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21:35:23jaytojust i saw no one talkin so i just rambled sorry if i did somting anoying
21:35:46LambdaCalculus37I already ran Rockbox on my dad's 4G greyscale, and he never had any problems with it, other than short battery life and lack of a USB mode.
21:36:01BigBambijayto: Please try to type properly, it is very difficult to understand you
21:36:16jaytook i will
21:36:29gevaertsWhat does cpu_idle_mode() do ?
21:36:31BigBambiAnd make sure to read those guidelines, they exist for a reason
21:36:54jaytoi understand i pramas ill read them
21:37:20BigBambi*promise (I think), I'll
21:37:38bluebrotherand btw, if someone doesn't want to use Rockbox, why force him? There is no benefit from that.
21:37:51jaytoive read rules for manny irc rooms
21:38:10BigBambijayto: We have a lot of blind users that rely on screen readers, and non-native english speakers that rely on translation software. What you just wrote was unintelligible.
21:38:11jaytowell his music gets cramed into itunes folder and umm...
21:38:13jaytoi was just trying to hel
21:38:20LambdaCalculus37jayto: Please keep in mind, though, that this is a developer-oriented channel too.
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21:38:31LambdaCalculus37This is getting logged... all of it.
21:38:38BigBambijayto: Well please read ours, and PLEASE proof read what you are typing
21:39:54jaytook i got it now
21:40:24carsLambdaCalculus37, What do you mean when you said, "lack of a USB mode?"
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21:40:54BigBambicars: Rockbox on portalplayer targets doesn't yet have a native USB mode
21:41:02LambdaCalculus37cars: We're working on a full, proper USB stack for PortalPlayer targets. Until it's complete, we need to keep using the OF for any USB transfers.
21:41:26BigBambiLambdaCalculus37: The royal 'we' there? :)
21:41:39pixelmaI'm not sure it'll help him on a firewire 2nd gen Ipod
21:41:57LambdaCalculus37BigBambi: :)
21:42:00BigBambiheh, I just jumped in at the last point
21:42:35BigBambipixelma: But LambdaCalculus37 was talking to jayto saying he had no problems on a 4th gen except those he listed
21:42:48BigBambiwhich included the lack of USB as of yet
21:43:16pixelmaumm... thought you were talking to cars :)
21:43:45carsLambdaCalculus37: No, it won't help me. I was just curious as to what you meant. On that topic, do I have to shutdown Rockbox before I connect it wifh FW to the computer?
21:44:19gevaertsSpeaking of firewire : the pp502x usb detect function also checks for firewire on some (all?) ipods, which triggers a reboot (or maybe charge, if you press the button). I assume that logic is to be kept, but IMHO it has to move somewhere else.
21:44:57LambdaCalculus37cars: I never used a 1st or 2nd gen iPod with Rockbox, so I can't really tell you. Perhaps someone with a FireWire iPod can help.
21:45:52Lloreangevaerts: Yes, it should be kept in the iPods where it happens. If moving is necessary, then it probably should be moved.
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21:47:04carsIt seems to reboot on mine when I connect it. As Rockbox is *not* based on linux, is there any problem with unexpected shutdowns or reboots?
21:47:15gevaertscars: if that's ipod mini (I don't know ipods...) the code treats that the same as USB plug-in, i.e. it should reboot cleanly to diskmode.
21:47:43carsIt's a 2nd gen Ipod from 2002.
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21:48:49Lloreancars: It's not unexpected, I think. It's supposed to.
21:48:54preglowgevaerts: what, you're not going to code us firewire support? :P
21:49:33desowingevaerts: atleast sansa doesn't charge automagically, and current charging in rockbox doesn't give good results (the battery percentage on screen rapidly goes up to 100, but battery isn't really charged that much) (take note I'm not familiar with usb stuff too much)
21:49:55*gevaerts knows absolutely nothing about firewire, except that it also uses SCSI commands for storage stuff
21:50:28gevaertsdesowin: thanks. I guess I'll go through that once everything else works.
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21:53:17gevaertsLlorean: it has to be moved. It currently pretends to get a usb connect, which triggers a reboot (in the old behaviour).
21:53:35preglowgevaerts: not to mention that we know absolutely nothing about the firewire interface
21:53:44pixelmadesowin: the voltage is probably measured at the wrong "place", if you insert the charger the battery info debug screen reports impossible values of 4,6 volts and growing
21:53:46preglowthough it would not surprise me if that too is taken from some other vendor as well
21:54:01bluebrotherpreglow: isn't the firewire chip known (at least for some old Ipods)?
21:54:04preglowi wonder who actually provided the usb core part
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21:54:16preglowbluebrother: oh, so it's an entire chip of its own?
21:54:40bluebrotherI thought to remember reading it on IPL's wiki
21:54:43preglowbluebrother: then it's different, of course
21:54:53*bluebrother goes checking
21:55:17gevaertsNearly certainly. I don't think the portalplayer product briefs mention firewire, and it's not something you can implement by toggling GPIOs
21:55:48LambdaCalculus37Time to go home. Good night!
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21:56:51bluebrotherIPL lists TSB41 and TSB43 as FW chips
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21:58:32*bluebrother thinks a "reconfigure" option would be nice.
21:59:15bluebrotheryep, run configure and automatically use the old selection.
21:59:30bluebrotherjust needed to re-run it because of the lang changes to the build system.
22:00:28JdGordon|wok, im probably the laziest person in the room and not even I think htats worth the effort :p
22:01:01Bagderwe used to have that
22:01:15Bagderbut it was hard to keep working when configure things changed
22:01:32bluebrothertoo bad :(
22:01:34gevaertsTSB41 and TSB43 seem to have datasheets. Any volunteers ?
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22:02:12bluebrotherhmm, my Ipod even has firewire support ...
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22:23:57*gevaerts has now improved the code so much that it doesn't finish booting any more
22:24:17dionoeaseems to be the ultimate method to prevent data corruption
22:24:51preglowi don't think my nano even has firewire support
22:24:55dionoeaAnyone going to FOSDEM this weekend?
22:25:13gevaertsI might. Not sure yet
22:25:25BagderI wish I would...
22:27:41dionoeaHum, so I'm not likely to run into many rockbox people :)
22:28:12Bagderwhat a relief! ;-)
22:28:21dionoeaindeed :D
22:29:13dionoeaJust in case: I'll be one of the dudes with a "Get VLC!" tshirt.
22:31:02*gevaerts already has vlc
22:34:02gevaertsDoes RoLo take always give a clean environment (interrupts,...) ?
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22:43:47preglowgood question
22:44:54JdGordon|wRoLo does the full init so it should put it in a stable/known state.. shouldnt it?
22:46:05peturamiconn: I found some interesting comment regarding powermanagement in some open source project: they write that power management is supported if the correct identify bit is on (like we do), and the current setting is other than zero. I haven't seen that last requirement anywhere...
22:47:26w1ll14mi'm thinking about getting some nice headphones, has anyone used a headphone with about 62 Ohms on an rockboxed ipod ?
22:47:35gevaertsJdGordon|w: I hope so. It's just that I get hangs on usb controller init when I do that in the boot sequence. I wondered if they would also happen on real boot (but I don't really want to try that, much more work...)
22:47:56scorche|shw1ll14m: sorry, but im not sure how exactly this relates to rockbox
22:48:32w1ll14mwell, the volume between a normal ipod and a rockboxed ipod differs a lot
22:48:35peturamiconn: nevermind that...
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22:48:50w1ll14mi was wondering if i should even consider this
22:49:02preglowonly difference is rockbox goes a bit louder, i think
22:49:14scorche|shwith clipping as the likely price
22:49:23preglownot in eu ipods
22:49:27preglowthey're limited lower than that
22:49:30scorche|shah yes...the limit
22:50:04w1ll14mwhat limit ? rockbox goes so loud on my ipod that i could easily blow my ears out...
22:50:19w1ll14mthen you would have to deal with clippings as you said...
22:50:37scorche|shso dont turn it up that loud?
22:50:51w1ll14mi won't... but my ipod is eu.. limit ?
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22:51:29scorche|sheu devices are limited to a maximum perceived decibel amount
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22:51:42w1ll14mis that a softlimit ?
22:51:44scorche|shso, yes rockbox will be louder on those devices
22:51:45w1ll14mor a hard one?
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22:52:14*scorche|sh wonders how volume could be a softlimit
22:52:26w1ll14mthe ipod does that standard
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22:52:58w1ll14mthey also provide volume correction on special songs...
22:53:44w1ll14mi've read somewhere that you can change the output strength of the dac so it can supply speakers audio instead of a headphone ?
22:54:19w1ll14mor am i wrong ?
22:54:31*gevaerts now gets a USB connect screen on connecting. Things are going the right way
22:54:45w1ll14mbtw the new usb stack roXX
22:54:53w1ll14mit worked a little today on my ipod ;)
22:55:17scorche|shw1ll14m: you mean without an amp? are pretty much always going to need another amp for proper speakers
22:55:18dionoeaIs it possible to change a partition's uuid? (this isn't really rockbox specific)
22:56:02pregloww1ll14m: some ipods codec chips do support feeding a speaker, yes, but not a big one
22:56:41w1ll14mpreglow: then that could solve my problem if i get these *heavy* head phones
22:57:06scorche|shw1ll14m: so what exactly is the issue you are concerned with?
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22:57:55w1ll14mi'm concerned about spending 299 euro's on an expensive headphones and not beable to listen to these with volumes above -30db
22:58:04w1ll14mbecause of the clipping
22:58:41scorche|sh62 Ohms should be just fine
22:58:47w1ll14mSeriously ?
22:58:55w1ll14mthat would be nice ;)
22:59:15w1ll14mi'm going to sriously consider this one.....
22:59:22scorche|shif you were around the 300s you might want to get an amp depending on how you listen...
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23:01:37pregloww1ll14m: no, the chip can only feed _one_ speaker, afaik
23:02:19gevaertsw1ll14m: Why don't you just take your ipod to a shop and try them ?
23:02:19preglowyou probably won't get clipping anyway, bit the volume will be pretty low no matter how you tweak it
23:02:28preglowwhat he said
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23:16:42gevaertsThe new code seems to work, but is so asynchronous and event-driven that I don't know where to insert this button detection
23:17:07JdGordon|wwhich is why it shuoldnt be used
23:17:19JdGordon|wi mean... why a button shouldnt be used
23:17:25*gevaerts understood
23:18:01peturmore batteries for JdGordon's keyboard :)
23:18:13JdGordon|wprobablyt the best thing to do is broadcast USB_ATTACHED and then in the defauklt event handler (misc.c) do the button check
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23:18:21JdGordon|wpetur: this one is wired
23:18:37w1ll14mG night all
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23:19:29JdGordon|wgevaerts: usb attached -> default stuff happens untill something handles the message -> usb_screen() (or however the actual usb handleing starts) eventually called?
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23:21:38gevaertsWhat now happens is that the controller signals a port connect, on this the code asks everyone to back off the disk, after which we can allow usb_storage. In the meantime, a control request has come in asking for the configuration descriptor. That means that basically the port connect event is too late to decide this.
23:21:58gevaertsHow long can it take for "everyone" to back off the disk ?
23:22:40JdGordon|wcould take a while... some loops ignore the usb connected message (naughtily!)
23:22:51JdGordon|wwhich means the main thread wont reply saying its good to go
23:23:04*JdGordon|w hopes he isnt getting everything completly wrong :p
23:23:49gevaerts... which means we make the host wait for a long time during enumeration. That shouldn't ever be done.
23:23:55JdGordon|wcan you reply with some dummy configuration descrption and then when you know how it wants to be handled drop the connection and reconnect?
23:24:47gevaertsJdGordon|w: I'm not sure. Anyway that's really not clean at all.
23:25:08peturgevaerts: in the case of hardware USB controllers (like iriver h100/h300) the controller also has to wait until all threads are ready
23:25:23peturI don't know what the hw controller does
23:25:32JdGordon|wI dont know how usb works, you cant say "I just want to charge" untill it actually knows what it wants to do?
23:25:42peturit just signals the connection on a pin iirc
23:26:24gevaertsJdGordon|w: You need to send back a configuration descriptor that says you want 500 mA. Otherwise you can only use 100, or get cut off entirely.
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23:27:00JdGordon|wand once thats done, can you reconnect programatically to get ums?
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23:28:15gevaertspetur: that's what it used to do here as well. I now use the port change interrupt instead of polling the pin (this requires the usb controller to be enabled all the time, but that shouldn't be a problem as it knows about suspend states... I hope)
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23:30:06gevaertsMaybe there is a way out : check for the button in the code that actually sends back the config descriptor, and remember if there were disconnects since last time (bus resets don't count, only actual disconnects)
23:30:45*gevaerts goes off to try that
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23:51:42magmaniacHello. I have a question regarding Flyspray. Is it normal that one can't select the severity?
23:52:16magmaniacI mean when adding a new task.
23:52:23JdGordon|wgevaerts: hehe nice :)
23:52:36JdGordon|wmagmaniac: I havnt tried, but probably is normal
23:52:48JdGordon|wonly devs have a reason to change severity
23:54:42magmaniacIt's just that there *is* a dropdown list, though an empty one, but the choices "critical ... very low" are written *next* to this dropdown list
23:56:21JdGordon|wcan you add a comment to about that?
23:57:32magmaniacOK, will do after I filed my actual task.
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