| 00:03:04 | toffe82 | aliask : take a look here http://www.pengutronix.de/software/linux-i.MX/download/i.MX27/v2.6/linux-2.6.24-rc5-ptxmxc2/ |
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| 00:04:08 | toffe82 | aliask : you will find the definition for all the register for the mc13783 ( or almost all), I will try to browse all the file and update the wiki |
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| 00:06:27 | magmaniac | JdGordon|w: someone already reported this at the flyspray metabug 8 months ago |
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| 00:17:08 | JdGordon|w | magmaniac: ok :( flyspray isnt really high on the priorities list though |
| 00:17:50 | magmaniac | JdGordon|w: no problem, it's just that it was my first flyspray report and I didn't want to get it wrong. |
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| 00:40:28 | noob | I have a question |
| 00:40:32 | noob | I consulted the manual |
| 00:40:37 | noob | about this but I couldn't find it |
| 00:41:04 | advcomp2019 | noob, we cant read minds |
| 00:41:19 | noob | I'm trying to look this up again |
| 00:41:20 | noob | I know |
| 00:41:21 | noob | hold on |
| 00:41:38 | scorche|sh | and please use the enter less and put full thoughts on just one line instead of 3 |
| 00:41:47 | scorche|sh | s/enter/enter key |
| 00:42:13 | noob | it says "you must reinstall the original sana firmware before running sansapatcher" |
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| 00:42:51 | noob | where do I find this original sansa firmware? |
| 00:43:14 | noob | I follded the link and it leads to a page then it directs me to the wiki |
| 00:43:27 | BigBambi | What DAP? |
| 00:43:48 | noob | DAP? |
| 00:43:50 | scorche|sh | what device do you have? |
| 00:43:53 | noob | Sansa |
| 00:43:54 | BigBambi | And I assume you are using the manual for the install instructions? |
| 00:43:57 | BigBambi | Sansa what? |
| 00:43:59 | noob | e280 |
| 00:44:05 | BigBambi | version 1 or 2? |
| 00:44:09 | noob | 1 |
| 00:44:29 | BigBambi | And you are following the instructions in the manual? |
| 00:44:36 | noob | yea |
| 00:44:37 | scorche|sh | did you format your device? |
| 00:44:40 | noob | let me explain what happened |
| 00:44:59 | noob | my sansa stopped charging |
| 00:45:03 | noob | and I thought it was the battery |
| 00:45:14 | noob | and so I ended up buy one |
| 00:45:16 | noob | and it wasn't the case |
| 00:45:24 | noob | the sansa caught a usb virus |
| 00:45:56 | scorche|sh | huh? |
| 00:45:57 | noob | and my antivirus was able to pick it up and then deleted it and so now my battery won't recarge |
| 00:46:04 | Llorean | The sansa can't catch a virus. |
| 00:46:08 | noob | really? |
| 00:46:19 | noob | I swear my anti virus picked up something on the sansa |
| 00:46:28 | noob | it was like an autorun usb virus |
| 00:46:29 | noob | areu sure? |
| 00:46:34 | scorche|sh | virii need to be specifically designed for whatever their intended target is |
| 00:46:52 | noob | well this virus was for usb divices |
| 00:46:56 | scorche|sh | there could have been a virus for windows on there, but nothing could "infect" the sansa |
| 00:47:03 | noob | yea |
| 00:47:03 | scorche|sh | it isnt that simple |
| 00:47:11 | noob | ok |
| 00:47:13 | noob | then |
| 00:47:19 | noob | something is wrong with my sansa |
| 00:47:20 | scorche|sh | every device is different...not just "usb devices" |
| 00:47:29 | noob | it won't charge but it's not the battery |
| 00:47:46 | noob | ok well, anyhow if that isn't the case then |
| 00:48:04 | Llorean | noob: you can have a virus in a file on your sansa. but it'll be a computer virus, and won't affect the sansa itself. |
| 00:48:07 | noob | I was trying to uninstal the rockbox so I can reinstall everything |
| 00:48:26 | noob | ok that's good to know |
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| 00:49:12 | noob | so I tried to get rid of the bootloader but it's not happening |
| 00:49:32 | noob | I used that Rockbox_Installer_Full.exe |
| 00:50:00 | noob | but it says something to this extent, "Mountpoint not found" please select from the list below |
| 00:50:51 | noob | sorry |
| 00:50:52 | noob | I meant |
| 00:51:01 | noob | rbutilqt.exe |
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| 00:51:11 | BigBambi | noob: PLEASE use full lines |
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| 00:55:59 | noob | ok, I meant to say I used rbutilqt.exe and so I tired to uninstall my bootloader, but it keeps saying that sansa is not found, so I tried the drive button and I used "Autodect" But it says "mount point not found" and so I jsut manaully select the drive and push uninstall bootloader and same problem. So I tried to figure how to manually remove the boot loader and I found the Sansapatcher.exe. When I used the patch it says something l |
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| 00:58:47 | scorche|sh | how did you try to uninstall your bootloader? |
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| 01:00:06 | noob | using rbutilqt.exe |
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| 01:00:28 | noob | nm |
| 01:00:36 | noob | I think it jsut worked |
| 01:00:39 | noob | hold on |
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| 01:01:45 | noob | ok it worked |
| 01:01:54 | noob | sorry about that |
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| 01:08:13 | * | gevaerts thinks some people might be confused a bit |
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| 01:09:21 | JdGordon|w | fairly likely |
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| 01:11:59 | gevaerts | Although that "usb virus" would explain a fair bit about our high-speed problem |
| 01:15:07 | scorche|sh | RockAV? =P |
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| 01:18:23 | * | gevaerts wonders why this usb controller sends a port status change interrupt, and then always claims there is a connection |
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| 01:23:42 | Evilnick | gevaerts: congrats and a massive thankyou for your work on USB |
| 01:24:36 | gevaerts | Evilnick: thanks. There's still a lot to do to make it ready for default inclusion though |
| 01:25:19 | Evilnick | it's just nice to see the progress that you've made in such a short space of time |
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| 01:28:39 | Sivart0 | hello everybody :) |
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| 02:13:30 | asn | How can I *format* my ipod? I'm getting many I/O errors, and it fails on most rsyncs. I think that the filesystems must be corrupted, since I'm using it for over 3 years. |
| 02:15:08 | scorche|sh | fsck? |
| 02:16:38 | asn | I can't just wipe the whole thing and start anew? |
| 02:17:25 | scorche|sh | you can, but why wouldnt you want to just check it first and see if you can just avoid all that? |
| 02:18:10 | asn | a) I don't care about the stuff currently in. b) Just for the heck of it. |
| 02:18:44 | scorche|sh | search for "manual restore" in the wiki...i think it is IpodManualRestore, but i am not sure |
| 02:19:00 | asn | Thank you. |
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| 02:31:34 | asn | I also don't know if I have the 20* or the 13* version of iPod 5G |
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| 03:04:56 | Cardini | Excuse me, but what I read on Tracker suggests that all RTC players now have an alarm feature. On my Sansa, however, I can find none. |
| 03:06:11 | JdGordon|w | the tracker either lied or you were looking at a patch |
| 03:06:16 | JdGordon|w | or a request |
| 03:07:36 | Cardini | Thank you. So...I've read that one of the patches, if used alone, works on Sansa. Can you refer me to a resource on compiling my own OS + Patch? |
| 03:08:12 | JdGordon|w | see if this works... |
| 03:08:20 | JdGordon|w | logbot: explain CrossCompiler |
| 03:08:35 | JdGordon|w | explain CrossCompiler |
| 03:08:45 | JdGordon|w | arg... look at the wiki |
| 03:08:57 | Cardini | I shall. Thank you. |
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| 06:11:33 | cars | When I shut Rockbox down, my 2nd gen Ipod immediately reboots and I have to restart it in using the Apple OS. Is this normal or is there some way I can workaround this behavior? |
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| 06:49:09 | midgey | cars: thats normal. the 2nd gen can't shut down and rockbox lacks a sleep mode. i believe amiconn might be working on an implementation |
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| 07:20:09 | flyback | yo |
| 07:20:17 | flyback | any progress on a sansa m series port |
| 07:20:27 | flyback | I have fallen in love with my dad's 512 I got him and borrowed |
| 07:20:42 | flyback | the 1 gig are on sale $15 recertified |
| 07:20:54 | midgey | looks like you've just volunteered! |
| 07:21:00 | flyback | heh |
| 07:21:10 | flyback | no |
| 07:21:18 | flyback | I would help with a port for this $7 player I go |
| 07:21:20 | flyback | t |
| 07:21:22 | flyback | jwin :P |
| 07:22:22 | midgey | you might be able to convince some devs to go out in buy the player, but most porting work is done by people who own the player and want to see rockbox on it |
| 07:22:57 | flyback | yeah if I get my own I might do it |
| 07:23:02 | flyback | but I won't brick my dad's |
| 07:23:03 | midgey | you could ask around on some sansa forums to see if you can round up some people will to try and start a port |
| 07:23:04 | flyback | already did that once |
| 07:23:13 | flyback | well I saw some stuff on the web page |
| 07:23:18 | flyback | duimps of the chip etc |
| 07:23:22 | flyback | just curious |
| 07:23:25 | flyback | I am not asking for anything |
| 07:23:48 | flyback | even the stock firmware isn't bad |
| 07:23:57 | flyback | nothing like a juicebox |
| 07:24:01 | flyback | or jwin |
| 07:24:02 | midgey | as far as i know, no one has taken much of a look at it other than identifying some chips inside |
| 07:24:12 | flyback | with a random function that always picks the same songs |
| 07:24:13 | flyback | ugh |
| 07:24:18 | flyback | the sansa is 100x better |
| 07:24:50 | midgey | its running on a telechips chip so it might share some things in common with the other upcoming telechips ports |
| 07:25:00 | flyback | there we go |
| 07:25:10 | midgey | thats probably where the similarities end |
| 07:25:15 | flyback | think I will get myself one and one for a late bday present for my sister |
| 07:25:22 | flyback | even stock they aren't bad for $15 |
| 07:25:25 | flyback | :P |
| 07:25:27 | midgey | but anyway i'm off to bed |
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| 07:35:01 | flyback | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLfUldGgQeo&feature=related# <−− shame this series has a wtf ending |
| 07:37:10 | advcomp2019 | flyback, that is off the topic |
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| 07:39:02 | flyback | sorry I did a global msh |
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| 09:31:33 | anubisice | good evening, I was wondering, after looking at the WPS page, are there WPS for a Sansa C series? |
| 09:31:49 | GodEater | there are - but not published anywhere useful |
| 09:33:16 | anubisice | ok, thanks −− i see one in the forum, ill rummage there |
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| 09:58:27 | BenniBoya | hey, what do i have 2 change to stop rockbox clearing when it boots with the hold switch on |
| 09:58:33 | BenniBoya | for ipod nano |
| 09:58:52 | scorche | the code |
| 09:59:06 | BenniBoya | any idea what file? |
| 09:59:14 | BenniBoya | or shouldni just surf |
| 09:59:20 | BenniBoya | should* |
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| 10:00:58 | scorche | i would likely have to do the same processes that you could to find it precisely, so if i were you, i would either make handy use of grep or just wait around until someone comes around who happens to know offhand |
| 10:01:19 | BenniBoya | grep? |
| 10:01:34 | BenniBoya | whats that? |
| 10:01:41 | scorche | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep |
| 10:03:39 | GodEater | bootloader/ipod.c |
| 10:05:19 | BenniBoya | kk thx |
| 10:05:26 | BenniBoya | im in ubnut and cant dind my path file |
| 10:05:39 | GodEater | your path file ? |
| 10:05:41 | GodEater | wtf is that ? |
| 10:05:55 | BenniBoya | uuh i ran rockboxdev.sh |
| 10:06:08 | BenniBoya | at the end it said add the arm-elf dir to you "path file" |
| 10:06:16 | BenniBoya | i thinks its ment 2 be in etc but it isnt |
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| 10:07:02 | GodEater | hmm - actually - that's completely the wrong file |
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| 10:08:08 | BenniBoya | it said path file |
| 10:08:15 | BenniBoya | i had to o the same in my old distro\ |
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| 10:08:49 | markun | BenniBoya: I've added the path in my ~/.bashrc file |
| 10:08:58 | ChristineTham | hello |
| 10:09:07 | markun | hi ChristineTham |
| 10:09:14 | ChristineTham | does anyone know how to open a gigabeat x60 |
| 10:09:16 | ChristineTham | ? |
| 10:09:44 | ChristineTham | i have unscrewed the three screws that i can find, but the back casing still won't budge |
| 10:09:50 | markun | I think toffe might know, but he's not here right now |
| 10:10:24 | BenniBoya | yo markun, wheres that? |
| 10:10:38 | GodEater | BenniBoya: ~/ means your home directory |
| 10:10:48 | GodEater | BenniBoya: the file you wanted is actually apps/main.c too |
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| 10:14:38 | ChristineTham | i'm looking at the pictures of a disassembled X60 on the gigabeatinfo wiki page, and apparently there are a few hinges on the back cover |
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| 10:24:14 | markun | GodEater: I thought he was asksing where to add the path to the cross compiler binaries.. |
| 10:26:04 | GodEater | he was, and he was also asking where to change the hold switch behaviour for resetting your settings |
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| 10:31:51 | hamdiya | is there a tag separator for wps files? |
| 10:35:24 | GodEater | you asked that yesterday, and the answer is still no |
| 10:36:04 | hamdiya | never got an answer afair |
| 10:37:07 | pixelma | I don't even understand what a tag separator should be... |
| 10:39:13 | hamdiya | like instead of having several %xl (e.g.) on several lines |
| 10:39:29 | hamdiya | why not be able to put them all in one line but seperated by a special character |
| 10:41:10 | pixelma | ok, understood now - but GodEater is right, there is none |
| 10:42:29 | pixelma | and I also don't see a benefit of such a thing, putting them on different lines make it more readable for me |
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| 11:42:30 | GodEater | http://pastebin.com/m6a71e9e <−− USB throughput measurements from a 5.5G 80GB ipod - if anyone is interested ;) |
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| 11:45:26 | preglow | something makes me think they're using full speed |
| 11:45:51 | LinusN | i guess you mean high speed |
| 11:46:14 | GodEater | interesting difference though between EDM and the full OF |
| 11:46:38 | * | GodEater would be interested to see the same test from other PP devices |
| 11:47:31 | GodEater | I might go start a wiki page for other results |
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| 11:56:39 | preglow | LinusN: a just gathered from the name that you didn't get any higher than full-speed... |
| 11:56:53 | preglow | nice to hear there's another badly named thing out there |
| 11:57:02 | LinusN | it's really silly |
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| 11:58:28 | LinusN | damn, the ipod fm radio remote is totally dead when i connect it |
| 11:58:47 | LinusN | and i still can't transmit on the serial port :-( |
| 11:59:35 | GodEater | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsbPerformance |
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| 12:00:15 | GodEater | feel free to add to it |
| 12:00:44 | preglow | i'd just be depressed if i did |
| 12:00:57 | preglow | like anything relating to ipod nano ata performance does |
| 12:01:47 | GodEater | I thought that just sucked in EDM ? |
| 12:04:57 | rasher | preglow: USB 3.0 will introduce super speed, which will be higher than both full and high speed! |
| 12:05:35 | rasher | (not joking) |
| 12:07:16 | fyrestorm | whats after super? |
| 12:07:19 | fyrestorm | hyper? |
| 12:07:44 | fyrestorm | XD |
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| 12:13:32 | rasher | I suppose USB 4.0 will then introduce two speeds "regular" and "extra", both of which will be faster than super |
| 12:13:51 | rasher | Just to make sure sanity stays at a minimum |
| 12:14:11 | scorche | full, high, super, regular, extra.... |
| 12:15:07 | rasher | (that was a joke though) |
| 12:15:34 | scorche | of course, but that doesnt mean it is unlikely due to current trends.. |
| 12:15:45 | rasher | Indeed |
| 12:19:43 | GodEater | rasher: you forget "ribbed for her pleasure" :) |
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| 12:34:28 | BenniBoya | yo, can someone help em with patching, i dont flly understand it |
| 12:34:28 | preglow | full, high, super, regular, extra, ribber for her pleasure |
| 12:34:35 | preglow | you know, that sounds plausible, and that's the scary part |
| 12:34:42 | preglow | ribbed, even |
| 12:35:01 | GodEater | thank god *someone* thinks so to |
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| 12:36:41 | BenniBoya | `can someone explain to me how t patch? |
| 12:36:56 | GodEater | we heard you the first time |
| 12:37:36 | BenniBoya | soz |
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| 12:42:36 | BenniBoya | could someone just explain the paramaters of patch for me even? |
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| 12:42:59 | preglow | patch -p0 < patchname |
| 12:43:09 | preglow | there are sources on the web for this kind of info, like google |
| 12:43:32 | linuxstb | And here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
| 12:44:11 | BenniBoya | must i be in the directory of what i am patching? |
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| 12:44:49 | linuxstb | Open up the patch file in a text editor - you'll see the filenames that the patch is modifying. So your location needs to match those filenames. |
| 12:45:07 | linuxstb | e.g. if the patch contains "apps/main.c", then you'll need to be the same directory that "apps" is. |
| 12:45:49 | BenniBoya | kk gotya |
| 12:53:03 | BenniBoya | can some1 remind me wat the path command is |
| 12:53:09 | BenniBoya | w8 dw i got it |
| 12:53:45 | GodEater | can you *PLEASE* speak english |
| 12:54:25 | BenniBoya | could you remind me of what the command your ent to put into .bashrc to get arm-elf to work? |
| 12:55:16 | GodEater | that would depend entirely on where you installed your arm-elf toolchain to |
| 12:55:47 | BenniBoya | i used rockboxdev.sh |
| 12:55:54 | BenniBoya | running from my build folder |
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| 12:57:46 | GodEater | rockboxdev.sh offers two choices for install location |
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| 12:58:33 | BenniBoya | it did ti automaticly for me |
| 12:58:49 | BenniBoya | i just asked me to add the directory to path |
| 12:58:55 | BenniBoya | it* |
| 12:59:54 | GodEater | well you can try "export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin" |
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| 13:00:39 | BenniBoya | thats the one neede |
| 13:00:49 | BenniBoya | so type export + the path in terminal? |
| 13:01:04 | linuxstb | Type everything GodEater put between quotes. |
| 13:01:08 | BenniBoya | kk ty |
| 13:01:17 | BenniBoya | from ym build folder or anywhere |
| 13:01:26 | linuxstb | From anywhere. |
| 13:01:33 | BenniBoya | it be perminent? |
| 13:01:48 | linuxstb | But it will be forgotten next time you log in, so add the line to ~/.bashrc to make it run each time you log in. |
| 13:01:56 | BenniBoya | ok |
| 13:02:43 | BenniBoya | i just added it to the bottom, will that do |
| 13:03:12 | linuxstb | yes |
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| 13:03:54 | BenniBoya | kay thx |
| 13:03:57 | BenniBoya | okay thanks |
| 13:04:01 | BenniBoya | i fogot the english thing |
| 13:06:12 | BenniBoya | cyas |
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| 13:12:22 | j3_hsr | hello |
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| 13:12:45 | j3_hsr | are their any plans on developing a port for the 6th gen ipod classic? |
| 13:12:52 | GodEater | j3_hsr: no |
| 13:12:58 | BigBambi | Febs: you there? |
| 13:13:06 | j3_hsr | GodEater: ok thanks |
| 13:13:07 | Febs | Yes. |
| 13:13:13 | j3_hsr | any specific reason? |
| 13:13:20 | GodEater | none of us own one |
| 13:13:40 | BigBambi | Febs: Cqn you change people's names of the forum? |
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| 13:13:49 | pondlife | BigBambi: Maybe it's his real name. poor guy |
| 13:14:04 | BigBambi | pondlife: Poor guy indeed |
| 13:14:23 | Febs | I don't think so, but let me check and see. I assume if I look at the forum that the person will be obvious? |
| 13:14:27 | BigBambi | Febs: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=profile;u=16378 |
| 13:14:41 | j3_hsr | ok thats a reason :) |
| 13:14:42 | GodEater | hahahaha |
| 13:14:46 | BigBambi | Not appropriate for the forum IMO (certainly in the UK anyway) |
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| 13:15:45 | * | linuxstb didn't even notice the name when replying... |
| 13:15:59 | Febs | I can't change the username. Llorean or one of the other forum admins would have to do it. |
| 13:16:03 | BigBambi | kay |
| 13:16:07 | pondlife | BigBambi: He's probably from Newark, no? |
| 13:16:19 | BigBambi | LinusN fills that criteria I believe |
| 13:16:26 | BigBambi | LinusN: ping! |
| 13:16:28 | * | pondlife can't think of one without the other... sorry |
| 13:16:40 | BigBambi | pondlife: Me non understqnd |
| 13:16:48 | * | pondlife like anagrams... |
| 13:16:52 | * | BigBambi apologises for that sentance |
| 13:16:58 | BigBambi | pondlife: aha |
| 13:17:11 | LinusN | BigBambi: pong |
| 13:17:26 | pondlife | Now you have the gift, you will never be able to visit Newark again. |
| 13:17:34 | BigBambi | LinusN: Could you change this person's nalme on the forums please? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=profile;u=16378 |
| 13:17:47 | BigBambi | It isn't appropriate IMO :) |
| 13:17:59 | LinusN | is it such a big deal? |
| 13:18:08 | BigBambi | It is pretty rude in the UK, yes |
| 13:18:19 | LinusN | to whom? |
| 13:18:31 | BigBambi | A lot of people, kids etc. |
| 13:18:33 | pondlife | To the poster himself, I'd say |
| 13:18:46 | BigBambi | It is swearing, and I don't think we should promote that |
| 13:19:01 | GodEater | it'd be akin to someone calling themself "fucker" |
| 13:19:04 | LinusN | i'm not sure letting him have his silly name is "promoting" |
| 13:19:13 | BigBambi | It isn't just silly |
| 13:19:40 | BigBambi | As GodEater says, it is akin to twat or fucker or ... |
| 13:19:44 | linuxstb | GodEater: Regarding USB speed testing, maybe amiconn's "test_disk" plugin could be compiled as a standalone app and run on the host OS? |
| 13:19:54 | pondlife | I don't find it particularly offensive, but then I don't find swearing offensive. Only hate-speak. |
| 13:20:01 | GodEater | linuxstb: probably yes |
| 13:20:08 | GodEater | I'll try it with just a plain dd in the meantime though |
| 13:20:16 | BigBambi | pondlife: Me neither, but many many people do |
| 13:20:24 | pondlife | That's their problem ;) |
| 13:20:28 | BigBambi | It isn't allowed on daytime TV for instance |
| 13:20:39 | LinusN | well well, i changed it now |
| 13:20:46 | BigBambi | pondlife: Sure, but I don't think it gives a good impression on the forums |
| 13:21:13 | BigBambi | LinusN: Cheers - I suspect it is worse in the UK than the US, and just think it gives a bad impression |
| 13:21:25 | pondlife | LinusN: You could have gone for wonker or winker... ;) |
| 13:21:32 | pondlife | wunker, even |
| 13:21:35 | BigBambi | heh, I love the new one :) |
| 13:21:36 | linuxstb | LinusN: BTW, my build server is alive again, so you can re-enable it if that hasn't been done already (it made a very large video recording in the wrong partition whilst I was away and filled up the disk...). |
| 13:21:54 | LinusN | i honestly think our constant arguments regarding guidelines gives a lot worse impression |
| 13:22:09 | BigBambi | Maybe |
| 13:22:11 | LinusN | wow - that wasn't very good english |
| 13:22:15 | linuxstb | LinusN: I agree |
| 13:22:28 | BigBambi | I don't disagree, but that is no reason to leave it there |
| 13:22:35 | linuxstb | But on the other hand, we need some policing to avoid the forums becoming anarchic. |
| 13:23:02 | LinusN | linuxstb: activated again |
| 13:23:16 | pondlife | Can any H300 users here repro the bookmark or resume failures? |
| 13:23:19 | BigBambi | I tend to agree on the rules incidently |
| 13:23:34 | LinusN | i had some awful bookmarking issues on my ipod the other day |
| 13:23:59 | LinusN | the resume/bookmark code is totally wacko |
| 13:24:05 | pondlife | I'm more concerned with the resume code, as bookmarking is probably a layer on top of that |
| 13:24:11 | pondlife | It is |
| 13:24:22 | LinusN | is it repeatable in the sim? |
| 13:24:34 | pondlife | I can't make it misbehave at all here. |
| 13:24:37 | pondlife | Sim or target |
| 13:25:03 | LinusN | some of my bookmarks never show up in any list |
| 13:25:19 | LinusN | and it sometimes resumes from the beginning |
| 13:25:34 | LinusN | those two issues are probably unrelated though |
| 13:25:35 | pondlife | Bookmarking has long been buggy - but resume seems to be a new-ish (MoB?) issue. |
| 13:25:54 | LinusN | some claim it has been broken since mob |
| 13:25:55 | pondlife | If playback is incapable of resuming correctly, it would affect both |
| 13:26:05 | pondlife | Indeed, it probably has |
| 13:26:19 | pixelma | Febs: nice thingy ;) |
| 13:26:21 | pondlife | There is some factor I'm obviously missing |
| 13:26:31 | Febs | ;) |
| 13:26:53 | linuxstb | Something that has struck me when I've been implementing codecs is that the resume info seems to be codec-specific. IIRC, for MP3 it stores the offset in bytes (presumably to deal with the MP3 VBR issues), and for most other codecs, seems to store in ms. I'm not sure this is always correct or consistent. i.e. some kind of little "resume API" with codec-specific resume info might be helpful. |
| 13:28:17 | pondlife | There's a problem where the offset exposed from playback.c to the outside world is the WPS offset (i.e. the position of the position slider). This is stored for resume, but on resume audio_play takes the value as a codec offset. Not quite the same thing |
| 13:28:21 | pixelma | LinusN, pondlife: resume is broken for me in *some* folders on my c200 (which then exhibit the "skip 3rd track feature") since the spinlock commit (r16105 IIRC) and I couldn't figure out what determines such a broken folder... |
| 13:28:55 | pondlife | Hmm, I have a fairly flat and simple folder structure. <artist>/<album>/<track> |
| 13:29:17 | pondlife | I wonder if I'm lacking variety, or depth. No smart comments, please. |
| 13:29:29 | * | pondlife hopes GodEater's not around |
| 13:29:39 | * | BigBambi deletes the half written line... |
| 13:30:44 | pixelma | I only found out that the more RAM Rockbox uses the more folders are broken - I am now running a logf build and even more folders are broken. I put some infos in FS #8520 |
| 13:31:07 | pondlife | Hmm. What sort of buffer size do you have? |
| 13:31:22 | * | pondlife wonders if it's a good old buffer wrap issue... |
| 13:31:39 | pondlife | I'm down to a shocking 25MB here |
| 13:31:51 | pondlife | Without voice |
| 13:32:49 | pixelma | while checking for that I found out that voice file present or not does not have an influence on what is shown as buffer size in the rockbox info... |
| 13:33:43 | pixelma | the current buffer size is reported as 29,741MB in the info screen |
| 13:34:12 | preglow | haha |
| 13:34:16 | GodEater | that's a big buffer |
| 13:34:30 | preglow | perhaps i should change my name to something demeaning as well |
| 13:34:52 | pondlife | pixelma: IIRC the voice buffer is only loaded if you have voice menus or .talk clips enabled |
| 13:35:43 | LinusN | preglow: how about preblow :-) |
| 13:35:49 | pondlife | I wish for a debug menu option to list memory usage - aka "where did my buffer go?". |
| 13:35:57 | preglow | LinusN: you know, i've gotten that a lot :P |
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| 13:36:32 | pixelma | pondlife: I believe it's initialised if it finds a voice file present and I think it starts speaking without a reboot if I enable the options (because the voice files are present) |
| 13:37:03 | pondlife | pixelma: I think it just needs to stop and restart playback to allocate, but I may be remembering wrongly. |
| 13:37:56 | pixelma | anyways, I enabled voice menus just now and the reported buffer size did not change a bit... |
| 13:38:03 | pondlife | Urgh, having enabled voice menus during playback, I get a nasty distorted voice |
| 13:38:17 | pondlife | Recognisable - the correct clips, but distorted |
| 13:39:23 | pixelma | seems it's not the logf build now. I remember now, had to reconfigure after the language buffer commit and didn't chose logf again |
| 13:39:25 | pondlife | I suspect RBUtil's voice building - a reboot doesn't help |
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| 13:42:02 | pondlife | Hard lock on shutting down |
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| 13:53:45 | petrus | hi |
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| 13:54:32 | DjLaurenz | is there someone helps me to port a mp3 player for rockbox? |
| 13:54:50 | DjLaurenz | i'm not a developer but i want to try to port a T-Logic for rockbox |
| 13:55:19 | GodEater | http://pastebin.ca/913893 |
| 13:55:25 | GodEater | not keen to repeat that with such a large file |
| 13:56:14 | linuxstb | DjLaurenz: Porting Rockbox to a new device is a _lot_ of work - it's only done by developers who own such devices and are interested in using Rockbox on them. |
| 13:56:38 | DjLaurenz | can't i help in any kind? |
| 13:57:00 | linuxstb | DjLaurenz: Help who? |
| 13:57:35 | linuxstb | So far, only you want to see Rockbox ported to those devices... You need to find owners of those devices and encourage them to port Rockbox. |
| 13:57:48 | DjLaurenz | mmm... |
| 13:57:50 | DjLaurenz | i understand... |
| 13:58:33 | DjLaurenz | i want to port it because t-logic is a good mp3 player but its original firmware is very very bugged |
| 13:59:10 | DjLaurenz | (sorry for my english, i'm italian :D ) |
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| 14:01:58 | DjLaurenz | thank you, bye bye |
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| 14:02:15 | amiconn | GodEater, linuxstb: I already mentioned the possible use of test_disk for testing USB speed |
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| 14:02:51 | amiconn | Compile a sim with a modified test_disk that creates its test folder in a sub-folder instead of the root |
| 14:03:23 | amiconn | Then create a symlink with that name in the sim's archos/ directorsy |
| 14:04:38 | amiconn | LinusN: Bookmarking and resume seem to be buggy, but only on swcodec |
| 14:04:54 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, I remember you saying that. A standalone app would be nicer though... |
| 14:06:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Around? |
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| 14:14:53 | pondlife | You can make the sim use any folder as its root with the −−root <dir> command-line option; might that be helpful? |
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| 14:17:01 | amiconn | pondlife: That would mean everything would have to reside on the target's disk, including the sim's .rockbox folder |
| 14:17:14 | amiconn | But that would work, even in a sub-folder |
| 14:17:30 | amiconn | Or just install the whole sim in a path on the target disk |
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| 15:04:28 | Davide-NYC | petur: ping |
| 15:04:32 | GoldBug | pong |
| 15:04:37 | nplus | http://pastebin.com/d72d2fd0c |
| 15:04:43 | nplus | is this my fault? |
| 15:04:56 | nplus | sansa e200, r16365 |
| 15:04:58 | petur | Davide-NYC: pang |
| 15:05:06 | Horscht | super pang 3 |
| 15:05:34 | Davide-NYC | Stupid question: do I need to reflash my RAM image after extracting my patched build? |
| 15:06:07 | Davide-NYC | This is in reference to CF card HDD replacement in H1x0 devices (for the logs) |
| 15:06:34 | petur | Davide-NYC: no idea, I never used a flashed RB install because I have an h300 |
| 15:07:26 | Davide-NYC | ah, so then you are having a stable experience without having flashed the rockbox.iriver file to RAM. |
| 15:10:54 | petur | I flashed a modified bootloader to get past the ata -80 |
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| 15:11:13 | petur | for the rest it is a normal disk install |
| 15:11:49 | Davide-NYC | petur: would the contents of a debug screen from after an ata -80 error help in solving this? |
| 15:12:04 | petur | nope |
| 15:12:25 | Davide-NYC | :( what can I do to help? |
| 15:12:43 | Davide-NYC | I *LOVE* the boot time. It's incredible. Maybe 2 seconds (if that) |
| 15:13:04 | petur | I started a support query with A-Data (doing this from work did yield an initial response but nothing helpfull) |
| 15:13:09 | markun | hi Davide-NYC! |
| 15:13:17 | Davide-NYC | hello! |
| 15:13:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hey Davide-NYC! |
| 15:13:24 | Davide-NYC | hellol! |
| 15:13:36 | petur | Hey LambdaCalculus37! |
| 15:13:42 | markun | hi petur! |
| 15:13:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hey petur! |
| 15:13:49 | markun | :) |
| 15:13:50 | petur | must be friday :) |
| 15:13:55 | petur | afternoon |
| 15:14:17 | petur | 1:45 until company drink :D |
| 15:14:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | Davide-NYC: Have you got a spare HDD to CF adapter on hand? I'd like to see if this mod will work on other targets. |
| 15:14:28 | Davide-NYC | hell no, it's 9:15am and I gotta get going very soon. (hehe) |
| 15:14:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | In this weather, Davide-NYC? It's awful out there. :) |
| 15:14:55 | Davide-NYC | I work two blocks from my house. |
| 15:15:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | Lucky you. :) |
| 15:15:03 | petur | LambdaCalculus37: the adapters are _very_ cheap on ebay |
| 15:15:05 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
| 15:15:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'll get some and see if we can even try modding an iPod. |
| 15:15:53 | * | petur wonders what kind of length measurement 'blocks' is |
| 15:16:29 | Davide-NYC | petur: I'll be running the patched build today. Is there anything in particular you can tell me to look out for or pay special attention to? |
| 15:16:43 | petur | none |
| 15:16:53 | Davide-NYC | OK thanks. Later all ! |
| 15:16:57 | petur | I thought it was very unstable? |
| 15:17:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | Davide-NYC: See ya! |
| 15:17:13 | Davide-NYC | Not very. Occaisional intermitent freezing |
| 15:17:21 | petur | ok |
| 15:17:29 | Davide-NYC | hard to pinpoint what fails |
| 15:17:43 | Davide-NYC | (when fails?) |
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| 15:17:48 | petur | permanent lockup or continues after 30 seconds? |
| 15:17:50 | petur | argh |
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| 15:35:11 | GoldBug | greetings I have a question |
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| 15:36:25 | markun | GoldBug: welcome |
| 15:36:34 | GoldBug | Hey |
| 15:36:42 | GoldBug | thanks |
| 15:36:45 | GoldBug | I was curious |
| 15:37:11 | GoldBug | i am thinking about getting an Ipod but i HATE ituned |
| 15:37:25 | GoldBug | but i don't see any versions of rockbox for the 160 gb |
| 15:37:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | And you won't for quite a long tiime, it seems. |
| 15:37:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | No one is working on porting Rockbox to the iPod Classic. |
| 15:37:49 | markun | I don't think anyone is seriously working on a port for the ipod classic |
| 15:38:04 | GoldBug | sad why is that? |
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| 15:38:12 | linuxstb | GoldBug: The 160GB is the so-called "Classic' ipod, which is completely different to other ipods, and hence requires a new Rockbox port which no-one is working on. |
| 15:38:13 | Ramla | Aren't there a lot of replacements for itunes, if that's the only problem |
| 15:38:40 | GoldBug | not that i am aware of |
| 15:38:42 | markun | Evilnick_work: good morning |
| 15:38:52 | GoldBug | once you go ipod your pretty much locked into it |
| 15:38:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | Evilnick_work: Morning, Nick! |
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| 15:39:03 | markun | GoldBug: are you a programmer? |
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| 15:39:14 | GoldBug | and I have been seriously considering getting an ipod for a while just to put on rockbox |
| 15:39:15 | GodEater | there are all sorts of iTunes alternatives |
| 15:39:28 | GoldBug | i am a coder not a programmer |
| 15:39:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | GoldBug: Close enough. |
| 15:39:46 | GoldBug | well lemme clarify |
| 15:40:08 | GoldBug | i can code on a simple lever |
| 15:40:21 | GoldBug | i have never gone down to the level of assembly or working on drivers |
| 15:40:31 | markun | There are some things you can do to help with a port, even if you are not a programmer: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 15:40:39 | GoldBug | i am just a hobbist coding |
| 15:40:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | So are the majority of us. |
| 15:40:49 | linuxstb | GoldBug: You sound like lots of people before they started getting involved with Rockbox... |
| 15:40:49 | GodEater | most of which he can't do if he doesn't already own the ipod markun ;) |
| 15:41:05 | GoldBug | lol |
| 15:41:25 | GoldBug | well the thing i am most concerned about it bricking a 350 dollar ipod if i screw up |
| 15:41:45 | GoldBug | i just liked the way that rockbox looks it's sexy^^ |
| 15:41:45 | markun | GoldBug: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14871.0 |
| 15:42:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | GoldBug: If you have the money to burn, why not do this: buy a supported iPod, like the iPod video. |
| 15:42:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | Then get a Classic to help do the porting effort. |
| 15:42:21 | linuxstb | GoldBug: If you want to run Rockbox, you should buy a player which is already supported by Rockbox. Sadly that doesn't include any 160GB devices, unless you include the very old Archos devices that use 2.5" hard drives. |
| 15:42:43 | GoldBug | well that is the thing i don't NEED 160 gb |
| 15:42:51 | GoldBug | i just WANT 160 gb =p |
| 15:43:16 | linuxstb | Don't we all? ;) |
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| 15:43:34 | * | moos is waiting for his new toshiba gigabeat S with a future 120GB disc ;) |
| 15:43:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | GoldBug: You can buy an 80GB video and upgrade the drive later on. |
| 15:43:46 | Evilnick_work | markun: Hi there |
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| 15:44:11 | GoldBug | you can actually replace the hdd and it doesn't freak out>? |
| 15:44:19 | linuxstb | moos: Are 120GB drives easily available currently? |
| 15:44:20 | GoldBug | i spose you are replaceing the OS |
| 15:44:23 | Evilnick_work | LambdaCalculus37: Hey! |
| 15:44:38 | moos | linuxstb: yup it seems so, around 200$ |
| 15:44:46 | linuxstb | GoldBug: Even without Rockbox, most (if not all) mp3 players can have their hard drives replaced. |
| 15:44:53 | GoldBug | huh |
| 15:45:10 | * | GoldBug is mostly ignorant on the subject |
| 15:45:44 | linuxstb | GoldBug: See this page for some info on the topic - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement |
| 15:45:49 | * | Evilnick_work has a nice 120GB iPod Video thanks to being able to change HDD |
| 15:46:11 | GoldBug | what kinda drives do they run? laptop hdds? |
| 15:46:20 | GodEater | 1.8" laptop drives |
| 15:46:25 | linuxstb | GoldBug: See the link I just posted... |
| 15:46:25 | GodEater | for the most part |
| 15:46:25 | GoldBug | huh |
| 15:46:32 | GoldBug | yea i just loaded it |
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| 15:46:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | Some, like the iPod mini, use 1" Microdrives. |
| 15:48:08 | GoldBug | hmm |
| 15:48:15 | * | GoldBug is SERIOUSLY reconsidering |
| 15:48:33 | GoldBug | maybe i should go the 80 gb vid ipod route |
| 15:49:14 | * | amiconn wonders what happened to that ata50-zif adapter offer... |
| 15:49:26 | Evilnick_work | If you're going for capacity then the cheapest way of doing it would be to get the 120GB drive and then get a second-hand iPod video (60 or 80) that has a bad HDD |
| 15:50:01 | GoldBug | nah i really don't need it that much |
| 15:50:18 | GoldBug | and now that i think about it most of the video that i would wanna put on it is subtitled |
| 15:50:26 | Evilnick_work | I've currently got the best part of 80GB free! |
| 15:50:38 | GoldBug | and it would be hard as hell to read subs on something that is a 2.5" screen |
| 15:50:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | Evilnick_work: How much did you spend to get your iPod video? |
| 15:51:55 | GoldBug | no the majority of the reasoning behind wanting rockbox is that i don't have to convert any of my files |
| 15:52:25 | Evilnick_work | LambdaCalculus37: $74.01 |
| 15:52:37 | Evilnick_work | + shipping |
| 15:52:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | GoldBug: See? Saves you lots of money to get a used video. |
| 15:52:46 | Evilnick_work | +$200+ for the 120GB drive |
| 15:53:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | Overall still cheaper than a $349 160GB Classic. |
| 15:53:09 | Evilnick_work | It was cheaper 'cause the stock HDD wasn't working. |
| 15:53:13 | linuxstb | GoldBug: Are you aware that Rockbox doesn't have support for lots of video codecs? It just plays a very specific type of mpeg-1/2. Rockbox's video playback on the ipod video is also poor (it doesn't use the video decoding hardware on that device). |
| 15:53:31 | Evilnick_work | Yeah, I suppose so. And as it uses Rockbox, it's FAR superior to the Classic 8) |
| 15:53:41 | GoldBug | i was mostly worried about audio codecs |
| 15:54:13 | linuxstb | GoldBug: Audio codecs we do... (unless the files are encrypted with DRM). |
| 15:54:26 | * | GoldBug hisses at DRM |
| 15:54:29 | GoldBug | >,< |
| 15:54:44 | GoldBug | yea that I know |
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| 15:55:52 | alienbiker99 | does anybody know how to use serndfirm on windows? |
| 15:57:31 | GodEater | I don't think it works on windows yet does it ? |
| 15:57:48 | linuxstb | I thought jhMikeS had it working on Windows (or something similar). |
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| 15:59:00 | amiconn | linuxstb: Btw, did you check your build server so that it can be reenabled? |
| 15:59:20 | GodEater | amiconn's not been reading the logs again |
| 15:59:27 | alienbiker99 | ok, i cant seem to get the driver to work. is it easier to use it in linux? |
| 15:59:28 | pixelma | he answered that yesterday... |
| 15:59:37 | linuxstb | amiconn: LinusN has now re-enabled it. |
| 15:59:58 | GodEater | alienbiker99: it's an absolute doddle in linux |
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| 16:00:03 | linuxstb | alienbiker99: Yes, it "just works" in Linux... |
| 16:00:19 | * | n1s 3rds |
| 16:01:25 | alienbiker99 | hm ok, i think when i tried to compile it, i ended up with an error |
| 16:02:06 | n1s | ypu need libmtp-dev |
| 16:02:13 | n1s | s/p/o |
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| 16:05:09 | alienbiker99 | ah ok, ill get it and try to compile again |
| 16:06:41 | GodEater | http://pastebin.ca/913985 <−−- good news for ipod owners! |
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| 16:07:43 | n1s | wow, the OF isn't very fast |
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| 16:08:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | It's faster than the Emergency Disk Mode now! |
| 16:08:43 | * | LambdaCalculus37 buys GodEater a beer |
| 16:08:59 | Llorean | GodEater: Which iPod is that on? |
| 16:09:04 | GodEater | 5.5G 80GB |
| 16:09:08 | Llorean | I was about to say |
| 16:09:11 | GodEater | I'm just editing my wiki page now |
| 16:09:12 | Llorean | Those times have to be a video |
| 16:09:22 | Llorean | Because they're WAY too fast for Nano's emergency disk mode. |
| 16:09:32 | Llorean | Well, the ratio of E-disk to OF-disk rather. |
| 16:09:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Want me to try it on my 5.5G 30GB? |
| 16:09:46 | Llorean | If that's where we're at, I'm in favour of enabling it for Nanos today. =P |
| 16:10:09 | GodEater | :) |
| 16:10:13 | GodEater | LambdaCalculus37: by all means |
| 16:10:16 | GodEater | the more tests the better |
| 16:10:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | Right. I'll compile a build at home and test. |
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| 16:13:51 | GodEater | My test file is 2 Megabytes of "Rockbox!\n" over and over so I could check it had actually appeared in the firmware partition easily |
| 16:14:13 | GodEater | Llorean: I don't suppose your nano is out of a box somewhere is it ? |
| 16:14:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'm going to try this one: time dd if=/dev/sdb1 of=/dev/null bs=32k count=1000 |
| 16:14:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Just to make sure, where do I define #USE_ROCKBOX_USB? |
| 16:15:02 | GodEater | in the Makefile |
| 16:15:13 | GodEater | find the line which reads EXTRA_DEFINES= |
| 16:15:19 | GodEater | and add "-DUSE_ROCKBOX_USB" |
| 16:15:37 | GodEater | as linuxstb pointed out though - the write tests are the important ones for people |
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| 16:15:47 | GodEater | since it's the use case that'll happen most often |
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| 16:16:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | Okay, got it. |
| 16:16:52 | GodEater | my next test is writing to the filesystem |
| 16:16:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | Could I use your test file for when I get to the test? |
| 16:17:08 | GodEater | sure |
| 16:17:09 | Llorean | GodEater: No, it isn't. But I'll probably have it found by Monday at the latest, if all goes as intended. |
| 16:17:10 | rasher | (Or you can define it in the firmware/export/config-*.h file) |
| 16:17:19 | rasher | If I remember that path correctly |
| 16:17:35 | * | GodEater thinks the Makefile route is easiest |
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| 16:17:58 | rasher | You have to redo that when you reconfigure |
| 16:18:41 | GodEater | true |
| 16:20:19 | linuxstb | GodEater: I'm not sure about the "bs=1" in your tests - IIUC, that means that dd will be writing one byte at a time, and I'm not sure how the kernel would deal with that... |
| 16:21:09 | GodEater | I can rerun it without |
| 16:21:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: That means that I shouldn't really use the bs=1 argument then when I dd the test file. |
| 16:21:59 | GodEater | if you think it makes that much difference |
| 16:22:19 | GodEater | I think that means you should leave out the count= too |
| 16:22:21 | linuxstb | I would expect it to be much faster with a larger bs |
| 16:22:54 | linuxstb | e.g. ipodpatcher does writes to the device in 32KB chunks, which was much faster than even 512 byte chunks. |
| 16:23:02 | GodEater | would you suggest giving a value for bs=, or would you let dd decide on it's own ? |
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| 16:23:17 | linuxstb | afaik, it just defaults to 512. |
| 16:25:05 | GodEater | well I can test with both 512 and 32k if you want |
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| 16:27:05 | GodEater | I just used the bs=1 because it seems to use the value in there for calculating the offset to start writing at |
| 16:27:22 | GodEater | so if I use a bs=512, I need to rejig the seek= parameter too |
| 16:27:31 | linuxstb | Yes, "skip", "seek" and "count" all use the block size specified by bs |
| 16:27:43 | GodEater | which is a pain in the arse |
| 16:28:07 | linuxstb | (or obs...) |
| 16:28:19 | * | linuxstb hands GodEater a calculator |
| 16:28:35 | GodEater | I have one thanks |
| 16:30:23 | * | LambdaCalculus37 is going for coffee |
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| 16:40:37 | alienbiker99 | im trying to install this libmtp package in vmware and now its asking me to update the linux kernel, i cant seem to get it to update, any suggestions |
| 16:40:57 | GodEater | I doubt it'll work from vmware anyway |
| 16:41:12 | GodEater | the USB support from guest->host in vmware is rudimentary at best |
| 16:41:32 | alienbiker99 | crap. i just had to delete my linux partition the other day |
| 16:42:21 | n1s | You should have deleted the win partition :P |
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| 16:43:41 | GodEater | hmm |
| 16:43:50 | GodEater | the larger block size tests are less encouraging |
| 16:45:13 | GodEater | http://pastebin.ca/914024 |
| 16:46:09 | SimonAdameit | I have installed the current build of rockbox for Ipod mini 4th generation according to the manual installation instruction. But when booting I get a "Bad checksum". Here is the bootscreen: http://paste.lisp.org/display/56326 |
| 16:47:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | Umm... Apple never released a 4th generation of the mini. |
| 16:47:02 | linuxstb | SimonAdameit: There isn't a "4th generation" - are you confusing that with a 4GB model? |
| 16:47:30 | SimonAdameit | I have a 4GB model |
| 16:47:49 | linuxstb | Then you have either a first or second generation mini. Does it say "4GB" on the back? |
| 16:48:05 | SimonAdameit | yes |
| 16:48:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | Then get this: http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodmini2g/rockbox.zip |
| 16:48:22 | toffe82 | anybody want to have a look to this firmware : http://www.p4c.philips.com/cgi-bin/dcbint/cpindex.pl?scy=US&slg=AEN&cat=MP3_PLAYERS_CA&sct=FLASH_AUDIO_PLAYERS_SU&session=20080221192955_74.0.180.178&grp=PORTABLE_ENTERTAINMENT_GR&ctn=SA9200/17&mid=Link_Software&hlt=Link_Software |
| 16:48:32 | toffe82 | or help me to start with |
| 16:48:36 | SimonAdameit | LambdaCalculus37: thank you, i will try it |
| 16:48:37 | linuxstb | SimonAdameit: Then it's a "second generation mini" |
| 16:48:51 | Llorean | GodEater: I wish I had my Nano around. =/ |
| 16:49:45 | toffe82 | it is based on a pp5022 |
| 16:50:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | toffe82: Wonder if it shares hardware with other targets... |
| 16:50:46 | linuxstb | toffe82: I was just about to tell you that.. It looks a bit like the mi4 files. |
| 16:51:36 | linuxstb | toffe82: Yes, it's an "mi4" file. So we should be able to easily run code on that device. |
| 16:51:41 | toffe82 | I will receive it next week and will open it to see the hardware, just wanted to know if it looks like something existing |
| 16:53:40 | SimonAdameit | Thank you very much. It works now using the right model. |
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| 16:54:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | SimonAdameit: You're welcome. :) |
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| 16:58:08 | toffe82 | linuxstb: what should I do to start to work on it |
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| 16:59:28 | linuxstb | toffe82: Firstly find out the firmware upgrade process, and what recovery procedures there are... |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:28 | linuxstb | Plus the obvious task of disassembling it and identifying the components. |
| 17:00:42 | linuxstb | (physically disassembling) |
| 17:01:31 | toffe82 | I look at some stuff on the philips site, and there is a program to update and "repair" also there is a rest button, so it seems impossible to brick it |
| 17:01:35 | GodEater | toffe82's favourite bit |
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| 17:01:52 | toffe82 | ^^reset |
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| 17:02:09 | linuxstb | toffe82: Does "reset" just reboot it, or do more? |
| 17:02:15 | toffe82 | I change from toshiba to philips :) |
| 17:02:52 | linuxstb | Also, does the "update and repair" program require any special button combinations to be pressed on the device (to enter a recovery mode) |
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| 17:04:27 | SSnake | hi all |
| 17:04:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hmm... from the Philips FAQ for the GoGear, it looks like the device is MTP only. |
| 17:04:44 | toffe82 | from the doc : |
| 17:04:46 | toffe82 | In the unlikely event that your player hangs, do not panic. Insert a small pin or other sharp |
| 17:04:47 | toffe82 | object into the reset hole located at the back of the player. Hold until the player shuts down |
| 17:05:30 | SSnake | where can i find lcd refresh frequencies? |
| 17:06:33 | Nico_P | rockbox got a mention on planet ubuntu :) http://luisbg.blogalia.com//historias/55745 |
| 17:06:39 | linuxstb | LambdaCalculus37: Good job we now have a USB driver for portalplayer then... ;) |
| 17:06:49 | SSnake | do we? |
| 17:06:54 | SSnake | great to know! |
| 17:07:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | We are oh so very close to officially including it. |
| 17:07:23 | linuxstb | SSnake: It's still not perfect, but it's functional. Main issue is speed and some bugs with the integration into Rockbox. |
| 17:08:01 | SSnake | too bad i'm not so great rev eng and not good electronics knowledge |
| 17:08:21 | SSnake | i think it''d really interesting to develop such thing |
| 17:08:35 | SSnake | *it'd be |
| 17:09:45 | SSnake | anyway...nobody can help me? |
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| 17:10:14 | SSnake | the point is i'm limiting refreshing routine to the lcd maximum FPS refresh rate |
| 17:10:35 | SSnake | to some some cpu cicle and optimize things |
| 17:10:39 | linuxstb | Do you mean the internal refresh frequency, or the speed Rockbox can refresh the LCD? |
| 17:10:42 | hi | hi |
| 17:11:02 | SSnake | internal, the speed the lcd can support |
| 17:11:13 | hi | is ipod 160Gb supported by rockbox? |
| 17:11:15 | SSnake | just to avoid unuseful refresch |
| 17:11:21 | linuxstb | hi: No. |
| 17:11:34 | hi | thx |
| 17:11:36 | hi | bye |
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| 17:12:03 | SSnake | linux don't you know any source to look for in which this problem is considered? |
| 17:12:12 | GodEater | that's like the 3rd person to ask that today |
| 17:12:15 | * | GodEater wonders what's going on |
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| 17:13:26 | linuxstb | SSnake: No. |
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| 17:14:40 | SSnake | damn! it would be very useful to avoid wasting cpu time in unnedeed refresh cicles |
| 17:14:57 | linuxstb | How often are you updating the LCD at the moment/ |
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| 17:15:51 | SSnake | mmm honestly i don't know: i'm just porting a game from linux to rockbox and i didn't calculate the exact timing refresh |
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| 17:16:20 | SSnake | probably around 50 or 100hz |
| 17:16:29 | linuxstb | You're much more likely to be struggling to refresh at a high frequency than refreshing too much... |
| 17:17:27 | SSnake | my quest is to avoid a function call that refresh the lcd if this is not needed |
| 17:18:40 | Llorean | Depending on the game, there's no reason not to pick a speed even lower than the refresh rate of the screen. |
| 17:18:51 | Llorean | Something arbitrary like 20, 25, or 30hz. |
| 17:19:51 | LarryFenske | Hi. I have been using Rockbox for a while and have recently started using USE_ROCKBOX_USB on my Sansa E200. I would like to add my measurements to the UsbPerformance twiki page and need permission to do so. |
| 17:20:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | LarryFenske: Sure. What name? |
| 17:20:18 | LarryFenske | LarryFenske (I wanted to make it simple!) |
| 17:20:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | One moment. |
| 17:20:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | Done. |
| 17:21:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | Welcome to the wiki! |
| 17:21:30 | SSnake | ....just to let developers know: the nearest neihbour resize routine works really well! |
| 17:22:08 | SSnake | i use it in my game and it's capable of resizing a 320x240 buffer to 220x176 realtime in the game |
| 17:22:13 | SSnake | on a h320 iriver |
| 17:22:52 | LarryFenske | While I'm here (assuming this is the appropriate venue), the UsbPerformance page has a table with one entry and one of the columns is for "Emergency Disk Mode". I can't find a reference to such mode in the Sansa. Is it similar to recovery mode or manufacturing mode? |
| 17:22:56 | SSnake | i adapted to just to support "keep aspect ratio", but it's quite the same code you can find in bmp.c |
| 17:23:08 | LarryFenske | LambdaCalculus37, thanks for adding me. |
| 17:23:10 | GodEater | LarryFenske: there's no such mode on the sansa |
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| 17:23:18 | GodEater | so an N/A entry would be appropriate there |
| 17:23:21 | LarryFenske | Thanks, GodEater. |
| 17:23:34 | GodEater | I'm just finalising the filesystem writing performance tables |
| 17:23:40 | GodEater | so you won't be able to edit the page just yet |
| 17:24:02 | LarryFenske | OK, I'll wait. |
| 17:24:28 | * | gevaerts points out that bs=1 doesn't match any real-world usage at all. |
| 17:25:18 | GodEater | http://pastebin.ca/914064 <−− filesystem tests |
| 17:25:27 | GodEater | gevaerts: hence the later additional tests |
| 17:26:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | Rockbox UMS peformed better with 1024 byte chunks. |
| 17:26:25 | GodEater | LarryFenske: ok - all yours |
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| 17:26:42 | linuxstb | SSnake: What are you resizing (and how often)? |
| 17:26:54 | gevaerts | Can you also test 128k blocks ? At least in linux that will be the commn case (for the normal case, sync will be different) |
| 17:27:09 | GodEater | gevaerts: I was looking for someone to tell me what the default would be |
| 17:27:12 | GodEater | I'll do those too |
| 17:27:25 | GodEater | did you notice we beat the EDM in the filesystem tests so far |
| 17:27:44 | SSnake | @linuxstb: a bitmab buffer of fb_data array 320x240 pixels to fbdata 220x176 pixels |
| 17:28:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: We're kicking ass with the USB test speeds. :) |
| 17:28:36 | GodEater | well - not quite |
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| 17:29:40 | GodEater | but that's definitely an improvement for Rockbox using ipod video owners who don't use the OF to do their transfer work |
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| 17:29:55 | gevaerts | GodEater: true, but both speeds are horrible. Probably the sync mode kills it all. Maybe measure with time "cp sb_write_test_file /mnt/ipod/Data/usb_test;umount /mnt/ipod) " ? |
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| 17:30:03 | pondlife | GodEater: So, would you now consider using Rockbox UMS? |
| 17:30:24 | pondlife | I mean, to save a reboot to copy a couple of files over, not to do a complete refresh... |
| 17:31:01 | GodEater | gevaerts: I'll do that too |
| 17:31:05 | linuxstb | SSnake: Yes, but _what_ is in that buffer, and how often do you resize it? |
| 17:31:10 | GodEater | probably not today though :) |
| 17:31:13 | GodEater | pondlife: yes I'd use it |
| 17:31:22 | pondlife | I'd be interested in comparing that to something with a hardware bridge too - you don't have any Archos or Iriver models lying around do you? |
| 17:31:27 | gevaerts | GodEater: of course, you'll have to calculate the speed by hand then... |
| 17:31:52 | GodEater | gevaerts: I'm sure I'll cope ;) |
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| 17:32:59 | SSnake | @linux: it's fb_data! RGB packed values. Honestly i don't know how often: i wanted to make some test with a sort of fps limiter but it's impossible without knowing the lcd refresh rate |
| 17:33:19 | GodEater | http://pastebin.ca/914076 |
| 17:33:25 | GodEater | thats with 128K blocks |
| 17:33:28 | GodEater | we still beat EDM |
| 17:33:29 | GodEater | :) |
| 17:33:41 | SSnake | @linux: (well not impossible, but it's inaccurate and not portable to other targets) |
| 17:34:33 | * | LambdaCalculus37 is missing out on all the fun of testing USB because his laptop's home :( |
| 17:34:44 | * | GodEater wouldn't describe it as "fun" |
| 17:35:26 | * | GodEater notices LarryFenske has buggered up the wiki page |
| 17:35:50 | GodEater | no, I tell a lie |
| 17:35:53 | GodEater | it was HarrisonFu |
| 17:35:55 | GodEater | whoever that is |
| 17:36:52 | linuxstb | SSnake: Do you mean that the game renders the display at 320x240, and then each lcd update does a resize? |
| 17:37:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | Jeez, the page is a right mess now! |
| 17:37:18 | GodEater | thank god for version history |
| 17:37:19 | SSnake | @linux: yes,exactly |
| 17:38:08 | SSnake | the game runs just a bit slow without cpu_boost, but absolutely ok with it |
| 17:38:38 | krazykit | GodEater, that'd be harry tu on the tracker, or countrymonkey in irc. |
| 17:38:48 | linuxstb | SSnake: Well, you're wasting a lot of CPU cycles... |
| 17:38:59 | pondlife | ...and battery. |
| 17:39:06 | Llorean | Yeah, if you want to worry about efficiency, I'd tackle rendering in native resolutions before I worried about skipping frames. |
| 17:39:09 | SSnake | of course i know but it's the most portable way |
| 17:39:33 | linuxstb | Not with some Makefile magic and compile-time processing... |
| 17:39:47 | SSnake | if not, i'd have to totally reenigneering the game |
| 17:40:18 | linuxstb | Yes, which is normally the best thing to do if you want it to be efficient. |
| 17:40:30 | linuxstb | Do you know how much RAM it's using? |
| 17:40:31 | SSnake | yeah you 're absoultely right :> |
| 17:40:54 | SSnake | i'm investigating into this stuff |
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| 17:41:42 | * | gevaerts thinks that SSnake has a point. Get it working quickly, commit it, wait for some efficiency expert to like your game. Problem solved... |
| 17:41:53 | SSnake | after a while if u have play enabled the games stops due to not enough ram |
| 17:42:16 | LarryFenske | GodEater: It feels good to be redeemed. |
| 17:42:26 | SSnake | but i have to investigate better on memory handling |
| 17:42:43 | GodEater | LarryFenske: sorry, I leapt to conclusions :( |
| 17:42:45 | linuxstb | SSnake: Removing that 320x240 buffer would be a nice start... |
| 17:42:49 | * | Llorean wonders what game is being worked on. |
| 17:42:55 | linuxstb | (150KB...) |
| 17:42:56 | Llorean | linuxstb: Sounds like a leak though if it runs out over time. |
| 17:43:24 | GodEater | right - no more performance tests for me for today |
| 17:43:31 | GodEater | besides, the page is still locked |
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| 17:44:40 | LarryFenske | GodEater, maybe I'll try tomorrow. Gotta go. Thanks. |
| 17:44:52 | kugel | SSnake: what game where you talking about? |
| 17:45:23 | SSnake | it's a surprise....have to wait two weeks i think |
| 17:46:26 | SSnake | @linux yeah i have to change data type....2 bytes for every pixel is really too much for the game |
| 17:46:32 | gevaerts | Currently the usb stack is optimised for transfers larger than 32k. Below that the double buffering won't work and disk speed will start to get involved. The larger the better... |
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| 17:47:22 | kugel | SSnake: does your irc client not support nick tab completition? |
| 17:47:46 | linuxstb | SSnake: Where do you get memory from? The main audio buffer or the plugin buffer? |
| 17:47:59 | SSnake | no i'm using opera integrated irc client |
| 17:48:30 | kugel | SSnake: You didn't tell me yet of which game you're talking about |
| 17:48:31 | SSnake | plugin buffer of course, but if there's no play it uses all audio buffer |
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| 17:48:52 | SSnake | @kugel: i told you it' a surprise :> |
| 17:49:19 | kugel | SSnake: Oh that was directed to me |
| 17:49:44 | * | gevaerts remembers SSnake talking about an old school platform game |
| 17:49:44 | kugel | maybe I could help you |
| 17:50:31 | linuxstb | SSnake: Why does it use the audio buffer only if there's no playback? Either it needs the memory or it doesn't... |
| 17:50:35 | SSnake | not now: i'm doing a university work for my thesis. Later i will commit all to svn |
| 17:51:54 | SSnake | @linux: right question. First i wanted to check memory usage. Second i'm planning to add sound only if playback is stopped (audiobuffer available) |
| 17:51:55 | kugel | SSnake: You have commit access? Who are you then? I can't spot your nick on the irc nick table |
| 17:52:10 | SSnake | no i haven't |
| 17:52:43 | SSnake | data sound is something around 3MB |
| 17:52:45 | kugel | I wonder how you're gonna commit it then :) |
| 17:53:14 | GodEater | kugel: maybe he has his own repo ;) |
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| 17:53:22 | kugel | :) |
| 17:53:37 | SSnake | well.....now it's time to come back to last exam....anyone want to hel me in signal and sistem exam? |
| 17:54:38 | SSnake | ...i guess nobody wants :> ok seeya later. |
| 17:55:02 | kugel | I'm off now cya |
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| 17:55:14 | * | gevaerts has a speed measurement to make people happy : http://pastebin.ca/914100 |
| 17:55:42 | GodEater | that's just a read right ? |
| 17:55:54 | dionoea | with the original firmware ? |
| 17:56:07 | * | GodEater shows dionoea the door |
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| 17:56:27 | GodEater | don't let it hit you on the way out ;) |
| 17:56:40 | gevaerts | http://pastebin.ca/914103 also has a write. And this is rockbox |
| 17:56:55 | GodEater | nice going ;) |
| 17:57:04 | * | gevaerts found out what made high speed not work... |
| 17:57:13 | GodEater | \o/ |
| 17:57:13 | dionoea | \o/ |
| 17:57:15 | linuxstb | \o/ |
| 17:57:21 | n1s | \o/ |
| 17:57:24 | * | GodEater wins!!!! |
| 17:57:26 | Bagder | \o/ |
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| 17:57:32 | saratoga | is it PP being crap |
| 17:57:43 | * | Llorean throws a party. |
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| 17:58:09 | * | GodEater thanks gevaerts for rendering all his work today on performance figures for full speed a complete and utter waste of time :) |
| 17:58:26 | linuxstb | GodEater: What else are Friday afternoons for? |
| 17:58:32 | GodEater | beer in the pub |
| 17:58:35 | | Quit Horscht ("We don't make mistakes, we just have happy little accidents") |
| 17:58:44 | linuxstb | Don't you at least need to be pretending to work? |
| 17:58:52 | GodEater | the boss is in Japan |
| 17:59:00 | GodEater | and the boss's second in command is in Worcester |
| 17:59:03 | GodEater | so no - not really ;) |
| 17:59:25 | gevaerts | Basically the problem was that the controller got enabled, reset, diabled again, and then on connect pin detect it got enabled again (but no reset) before being initialized. Now I keep it enabled. |
| 17:59:43 | gevaerts | enabled == DEV_EN, reset == DEV_RS |
| 17:59:47 | * | GodEater awaits the new code in svn with glee |
| 18:00 |
| 18:00:19 | * | gevaerts reminds GodEater that some people actually will use full speed. Not everyone has a new(ish) pc |
| 18:00:23 | * | pixelma is a little late in the \o/ party but joins in anyways :) |
| 18:00:35 | GodEater | I wonder if there's wiki markup for a big cross across the whole page :) |
| 18:00:42 | GodEater | very true gevaerts, very true |
| 18:00:45 | GodEater | I stand corrected |
| 18:01:08 | jhMikeS | gevearts: congrats \o/ /o\ \o/ /o\ |
| 18:01:13 | * | linuxstb was about to do some speed tests, but will now wait impatiently |
| 18:01:14 | x1jmp | I’m wondering why the battery in my h120 discharges that fast, now I found out that the player needs ~300mA at 3.8V (no backlight, no disk activity) |
| 18:01:20 | GodEater | jhMikeS: show off ;) |
| 18:01:35 | x1jmp | Does someone have a clue, what might be wrong with it? |
| 18:01:41 | GodEater | jhMikeS: it's your job to get all this working on the S now :) |
| 18:01:54 | n1s | x1jmp: how did you measure? |
| 18:02:26 | x1jmp | n1s: connected a multimeter between a battery wire |
| 18:03:00 | jhMikeS | GodEater: I just know it will all go off without a hitch :) |
| 18:03:42 | GodEater | and on that note - I have to go meet a man about a pint |
| 18:03:48 | GodEater | have a lovely weekend everyone |
| 18:04:20 | jhMikeS | thanks...and have designated driver :) |
| 18:04:22 | x1jmp | I just bought a new 2200mAh battery, but it still plays for about 7h |
| 18:05:34 | n1s | x1jmp: 300 mA is quite a bit too much... |
| 18:06:06 | n1s | have you enabled the optical out? |
| 18:06:52 | x1jmp | n1s: no, ATM I’m testing with default settings |
| 18:06:57 | * | linuxstb gets around 965KB/s reading and 1.0MB/s with the USB driver in SVN (dd to the raw device on an ipod Color) |
| 18:07:54 | n1s | x1jmp: is the disk spinning a lot? |
| 18:08:01 | Domonoky | x1jmp: you could check is some chip is getting hot (perhaps power regulator) (only a guess) |
| 18:08:46 | * | gevaerts recommends linuxstb to svn update |
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| 18:08:52 | linuxstb | Oooh... |
| 18:09:19 | gevaerts | I just committed the high-speed fix (nothing else yet, I'm still busy reorganizing code) |
| 18:10:22 | * | x1jmp searches for the power regulator ... |
| 18:11:20 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: so...RB is going a bit faster than retailos (4.6 vs. 4.5 iirc)? |
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| 18:11:55 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: I think that's within measurement error. We are slower on write though. |
| 18:12:07 | * | gevaerts waits for someone to optimize the SD driver |
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| 18:12:36 | pixelma | the frontpage script still doesn't know about gevaerts's full name... |
| 18:12:39 | amiconn | gevaerts: The controller should not be kept enabled when there is no usb connection, as it will suck power this way |
| 18:12:43 | jhMikeS | I tried to optimize SD writes but the speed always trashed the fat for some reason |
| 18:13:30 | gevaerts | amiconn: my fix doesn't keep it enabled. The first test did, but that's a different story. It was just missing DEV_RS bits when re-enabling |
| 18:13:38 | amiconn | ah |
| 18:13:42 | x1jmp | Domonoky: the Coldfire is a bit warm, but not very much though |
| 18:14:12 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: it's always some little thing like that the causes so much trouble for so long :\ |
| 18:14:46 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Read is now 3.2MB/s on my ipod Color. |
| 18:15:02 | x1jmp | Accidently I had connected ~9V to the DC jack for some seconds, I’m not sure if that could have done some damage to the device |
| 18:15:07 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: it's a good thing that you wanted the threads sorted out. That lead me to this particular code, otherwise I might not have looked at it |
| 18:15:13 | Domonoky | x1jmp: thats it ! |
| 18:15:24 | Domonoky | then its surely the power converter.. |
| 18:15:39 | linuxstb | gevaerts: "bs" seems to make very little difference - bs=512 takes 13.313s, 128KB is 12.793 seconds. |
| 18:16:02 | Domonoky | the hxx0 players are really easy to damage with a wrong voltage /polarity.. |
| 18:16:05 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: glad to be of help! :) |
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| 18:16:28 | BigBambi | gevaerts: woohoo! congrats :) |
| 18:16:31 | Domonoky | x1jmp: you are lucky that it still works.. :-) |
| 18:16:36 | x1jmp | Domonoky: Are they replacable? |
| 18:16:58 | gevaerts | linuxstb: It did make a difference on full speed, because of turnaround times. On high speed the disk is very much the limiting factor, not what you actually do on usb. And bs won't matter much on a PIO disk driver |
| 18:17:09 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Those were reading tests btw |
| 18:17:18 | markun | GodEater: is anyone working on making the USB code work on the Gigabeat S? |
| 18:17:25 | gevaerts | linuxstb: any idea about EDS and/or OF ? |
| 18:17:25 | amiconn | x1jmp: Depends on what is broken, which is difficult to tell |
| 18:17:33 | linuxstb | gevaerts: I'll test those next... |
| 18:17:48 | Domonoky | x1jmp: if it really is only the powerconverter it should be possible to solder a new one in... perhaps ask LinusN, has has done a few hxx0 repairs i think.. |
| 18:17:50 | linuxstb | gevaerts: I'm just doing a write test now, but that seems to be taking a long time... |
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| 18:18:05 | BigBambi | markun: I believe Nico_P had a go but didn't get too far |
| 18:18:16 | amiconn | gevaerts: I don't expect we'll get usb as fast as the values reported for G5 OF |
| 18:18:30 | x1jmp | where is the power converter on the PCB? |
| 18:18:38 | amiconn | Our ata driver doesn't use DMA, and afaik nobody knows how to do that |
| 18:18:45 | amiconn | (on PP) |
| 18:19:05 | * | gevaerts goes to have dinner now |
| 18:19:20 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Hmm, writing (bs=512) was 283KB/s, but bs=128k gave 5.4MB/s |
| 18:19:31 | Domonoky | x1jmp: take look at the wiki, it has shematics and pics i think.. |
| 18:20:01 | x1jmp | Haven’t found it there yet |
| 18:20:27 | jhMikeS | I think that the S's SDMA interface is also similar. I'm getting the feeling that looking at freescale stuff might shed light on other PP stuff (just a hunch). |
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| 18:32:04 | jhMikeS | whoa...big oops...I mean SDHC, not SDMA :0 |
| 18:33:30 | amiconn | gevaerts: I wonder why the 2 USB devices are handled separately instead of at once |
| 18:33:37 | linuxstb | Initial comparison with Rockbox high-speed UMS vs RetailOS on my ipod color - a 310MB directory of FLACs took 67 seconds to copy in Rockbox, and 29 seconds in RetailOS |
| 18:33:56 | linuxstb | (mount ; cp ; umount) |
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| 18:34:37 | amiconn | I would expect the following stuff to work: DEV_EN |= (DEV_USB0|DEV_USB1); DEV_RS &= ~(DEV_USB0|DEV_USB1); |
| 18:35:31 | BigBambi | 6.5 MB/s read on my e260! |
| 18:37:40 | linuxstb | EMD seems identical to RetailOS on my Ipod Color - 29s for the same directory. |
| 18:38:14 | Llorean | If I recall, we've only had reports of EMD being slower in Video and Nano. |
| 18:38:30 | linuxstb | Yes, but I've never actually tested it before... |
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| 18:42:09 | x1jmp | Is that LTC3405 the power regulator in the h120? |
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| 18:44:16 | toffe82 | jhMikeS: did you see the link I gave yesterday for the register of the mc13783 ? |
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| 18:45:01 | jhMikeS | toffe82: yeah. noone has tried contacting freescale about more detailed info? |
| 18:45:45 | toffe82 | not as I know |
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| 18:49:49 | * | barrywardell wonders if it's going to be time to release a new sansa bootloader soon with the new usb code |
| 18:50:22 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Do you mean with the USB stack, or just the "boot into Rockbox, not OF" change? |
| 18:50:37 | barrywardell | either one |
| 18:50:39 | linuxstb | BTW, have you tried the Rockbox stack on a Mac recently? |
| 18:50:52 | barrywardell | although it would be nice to get rid of the sansa bootloader too |
| 18:51:09 | barrywardell | iirc recovery mode is the main thing holding that back |
| 18:51:29 | linuxstb | Yes, but if our bootloader has a full UMS mode, then I think that's better... |
| 18:51:32 | barrywardell | linuxstb: I tried it before the latest commit and still don't get a disk appearing. trying it again now |
| 18:51:54 | gevaerts | amiconn: no idea. Maybe because it made experimenting (enabling or disabling just one) easier at an early stage ? |
| 18:52:02 | barrywardell | linuxstb: I agree. UMS mode in the RB bootloader would be ideal |
| 18:52:26 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Although for it to be useful, a PC-side application to recover would probably be needed (rbutil?) |
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| 18:52:53 | pondlife | Domonoky: In case you saw my comments from earlier, alleging that RBUtil produced distorted voice files, the problem was that somehow my RBUtil Speex volume was set to 10.00... ;) |
| 18:53:14 | pondlife | Setting it back to 1 worked nicely |
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| 18:54:08 | barrywardell | linuxstb: wouldn't sansapatcher do the job? |
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| 18:55:26 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Possibly. Although I'm wondering what would need recovering... If the Rockbox bootloader loads, then the user just needs to reformat and/or copy across a new rockbox.zip |
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| 18:55:51 | barrywardell | linuxstb: just tested on my mac. still no drive appearing, but USB Prober reports "Rockbox media player" and disk utility finds "Rockbox Internal Storage Media" |
| 18:55:58 | gevaerts | I think that to get a real idea of UMS performance issues, measurements should include test_disk output as well (with boosted cpu). |
| 18:56:25 | gevaerts | barrywardell: can you do a logf build with logf enabled for usb_storage.c and report what that says ? |
| 18:56:50 | BigBambi | well, 3min35 for rb and 2min31 for OF to copy 286 MB on my e260 :) |
| 18:56:54 | * | BigBambi is quite hqppy |
| 18:56:54 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Do you think "dd" to a partition device is enough, or should we be copying files? |
| 18:57:27 | barrywardell | gevaerts: sure. just a second... |
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| 18:58:15 | * | amiconn will test against his Amiga's USB stack later |
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| 18:59:07 | gevaerts | linuxstb: I think either method will do. The problem with copying files is that you either need to unmount or sync to flush everything, so it's harder to get a reliable measurement. |
| 18:59:21 | barrywardell | linuxstb: the only thing that would ever need recovering would be the bootloader itself, in which case e200tool would be required anyway |
| 18:59:24 | countrymonkey | I feel that wallisertitsch should be removed from the zips; it is very close to the 50% mark that shows that it is very outdated. Rasher's page shows it hasn't been outdated for 3 years. |
| 18:59:57 | * | gevaerts thinks that the actual bugs are more important than performace tweaks now. |
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| 19:00:03 | Domonoky | pondlife: jeah there was a bug in the settings of rbspeex in rbutil.. and as it remembers settings, the fix only helps if you reset the rb settings :-) |
| 19:00:09 | rasher | countrymonkey: we do not exclude any languages |
| 19:00:34 | Domonoky | s/rb/rbutil |
| 19:00:49 | countrymonkey | IIRC afrikaans, turkçe and a few more were excluded (or was that a patch). |
| 19:01:01 | pixelma | countrymonkey: you were the one asking about the japanese charset of the Archos Player, right? Did you see amiconn's answer the next morning in the logs? |
| 19:01:12 | rasher | countrymonkey: That was in the patch. It was not enabled when committed. |
| 19:01:35 | gevaerts | I should have committed with "some speed improvements" in the message, and kept silent here, just to see how quick people would notice |
| 19:01:36 | countrymonkey | Yes it was me, but I didn't see it. I will check it. Thanks. |
| 19:03:34 | barrywardell | gevaerts: http://pastebin.com/m452a9d84 |
| 19:04:15 | rasher | gevaerts: a late congratulations |
| 19:05:08 | barrywardell | gevaerts: I also just got this on linux: http://pastebin.com/m331bfd0b |
| 19:05:22 | * | jhMikeS is confusled by the delta is his last commit |
| 19:05:24 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Have you tried the USB on your H10? |
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| 19:06:22 | gevaerts | barrywardell: that's interesing... Why does the mac keep reading the same data over and over again ? |
| 19:06:24 | barrywardell | linuxstb: no, not since gevaerts started working on it. It's at home so I can try later and report back when I do |
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| 19:06:37 | countrymonkey | Thanks for the answer; I know I cannot do it now. (katakana is the system of foreign language words) |
| 19:06:53 | waldo | hi guys , first off ... rockbox rocks, my sansa is a miracle machine now that it plays all formats, syncs to last.fm and does replaygain ... HOWEVER, i went skiing and fell on my player (bragging mode : 180 crossed :P ). I lost one channel . So i opened it up, it seems that the connector for the tip of the jack has come off the PCB .. i tried to solder it back on but found that the solder island was janked of the pcb so i have nothing to |
| 19:06:53 | waldo | solder onto, so my question ... can someone tell me where i can find diagrams so i can find a point to put a wire to ? or can someone find one ... i know this isn't realy the place ... but i'm kinda desperate ; if i send it back to sandisk (still in waranty) i have to remove rockbox and i'll prolly get a V2 replacement wich would kinda suck ... |
| 19:07:04 | amiconn | linuxstb, barrywardell: It's working nicely on small H10 (fullspeed, and apart of the known bugs of course) |
| 19:07:47 | amiconn | Just that this test revealed that the H10's microdrive is to blame for the slow usb access, and not the OF :/ |
| 19:07:51 | BigBambi | waldo: you may (should?) find pics on the wiki that may help, I'm not sure |
| 19:08:11 | jhMikeS | waldo: I'm not aware of them having a problem with rockbox...they did want it ported afterall (no secret there) |
| 19:08:16 | barrywardell | gevaerts: it does detect that there are two partitions (and gets the size right), so it's making some progress |
| 19:08:46 | linuxstb | amiconn: We need to implement the serial number for the H10s and m:robe 100. It's currently only done for ipods (we use the same serial number as the OF - read from the flash), and the Sansas (reading a serial number from the AS3514). |
| 19:08:57 | countrymonkey | I have my doubts about you getting a v2 replacement. (I have a curse on me which always makes me send things in for repair; I never get a newer model) |
| 19:08:57 | barrywardell | gevaerts: recovery mode doesn't work on my mac either, so it must be some weird apple peculiarity |
| 19:09:10 | amiconn | gevaerts: Do you think the slow mounting on Windows could be due to repeated stuff as well? |
| 19:09:20 | barrywardell | amiconn: hopefully tthe big H10's drive will be faster |
| 19:09:34 | BigBambi | countrymonkey: Please do not give advice based on absolutley nothing |
| 19:09:44 | gevaerts | barrywardell: it reads sectors 600-607 lots of times, without rockbox having or reporting any error there. |
| 19:09:48 | waldo | btw any luck on porting to the V2 ? cause i'd rather send it back then having a sansa that is patched up like that. |
| 19:09:58 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yeah, true. Do you know how to find the serial number that an usb device reports to the pc? |
| 19:10:09 | linuxstb | amiconn: Only on linux - "lspci -v" |
| 19:10:15 | amiconn | (then that number could be used to search a H10 rom dump) |
| 19:10:18 | linuxstb | I mean lsusb... |
| 19:10:32 | amiconn | Or OF... |
| 19:10:46 | amiconn | Nah, nmust be rom, I think |
| 19:10:53 | barrywardell | gevaerts: I can dump those sectors on linux if it's any help? |
| 19:11:11 | gevaerts | amiconn: could be. The "easy" thing about windows is that I have a windows machine at work next to a usb tracer, so I can see exactly what it's doing. I can't do that with a mac unfortunately (none available there...) |
| 19:11:12 | jhMikeS | I thought the S/N thing was resolved already |
| 19:11:42 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Only on ipods and Sansas afaik |
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| 19:11:53 | amiconn | yep |
| 19:13:08 | gevaerts | barrywardell: maybe. I'd like to finish the integration cleanup first though. |
| 19:13:42 | saratoga | anyone object to me setting cabbie as the default theme when I get chance? |
| 19:13:48 | saratoga | i've more or less got that worked out |
| 19:14:03 | barrywardell | gevaerts: http://pastebin.com/m651bfb9b <- they're the sectors 600-607 for when you get around to it |
| 19:14:04 | gevaerts | linuxstb: there's still the potential issue that on my c250 our serial number does not match the OF's serial number at all. It might still be unique, but I have no idea if that's really true |
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| 19:14:48 | Llorean | saratoga: Might want to post a patch for it, so people can get a look at it and see if there's any problems you've missed. But I'm all for having it default to it soon |
| 19:14:50 | jhMikeS | noone tried reading i2c rom yet? |
| 19:15:13 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Does the AS3514 datasheet mention a serial number ? |
| 19:15:17 | saratoga | Llorean: I posted a patch last week thats essentially ready to go |
| 19:15:23 | Llorean | Ah, missed that then. |
| 19:15:26 | saratoga | all thats needed is minor change to the build script |
| 19:15:30 | Llorean | Was it a new task, or in one of the old threads? |
| 19:15:45 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: it has the 120-bit fuse array which can be programmed with anything |
| 19:15:50 | jhMikeS | *128 |
| 19:15:52 | gevaerts | linuxstb: do you have any objections to making all serial numbers the same length ? We are deviating from the OF anyway now, and it would cut down the #ifdef forest a bit |
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| 19:16:37 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Ah, OK. |
| 19:16:54 | gevaerts | barrywardell: That's at sector 600 ? It looks like a partition table. |
| 19:17:07 | linuxstb | gevaerts: No, Zagor convinced me that there was no need to match the OF's output. |
| 19:18:12 | gevaerts | linuxstb: OK. I'll remove the "duplicate" declaration then. Any preference on whether the ipod s/n should be left- or righ-aligned in the longer string ? |
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| 19:18:22 | dan_a | waldo: I've just started doing a bit of work on the Sansa v2 - I'm planning to get a C200 soon. AFAIK, though, we don't yet know how to write the firmware, so it could be a very long way off |
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| 19:18:48 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Doesn't the UMS spec talk about 12 digits that must be unique? |
| 19:19:37 | Horscht | make high speed work? |
| 19:19:42 | Horscht | can I have your e-babies? |
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| 19:19:56 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Or maybe truncate the Sansa string? 16 characters would seem enough... |
| 19:20:02 | gevaerts | linuxstb: indeed. the last digits, so that answers my question. |
| 19:20:51 | linuxstb | Although it might be hard to know which digits to drop... So maybe best to keep all 32 and pad the ipod string. |
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| 19:21:47 | gevaerts | linuxstb: we could use a cryptographic hash of the serial number... Best keep it as-is I guess |
| 19:22:36 | barrywardell | gevaerts: oops, forgot to skip (or is it seek?) |
| 19:22:48 | linuxstb | skip for input, seek for output |
| 19:24:09 | barrywardell | thanks |
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| 19:24:17 | barrywardell | gevaerts: http://pastebin.com/m58c6473f |
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| 19:25:34 | gevaerts | barrywardell: wild idea, can you try changing the USB_VENDOR_ID and USB_PRODUCT_ID to something else ? Maybe macs assume a specific behaviour if they see an ipod ? |
| 19:25:36 | Simsgy | Hey guys |
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| 19:26:01 | Simsgy | I was wondering... Is there ANY support for Nano 3g yet? (I know there isn't just wanted to make sure :( ) |
| 19:26:09 | alienbiker99 | no |
| 19:26:18 | Simsgy | :( |
| 19:26:27 | Simsgy | Because the firmware is un-breakable? |
| 19:26:33 | * | gevaerts really wants a rockbox usb vendor id. Anyone got $2000 to spare ? |
| 19:27:24 | barrywardell | gevaerts: this is on my sansa, but I'll give it a shot anyway |
| 19:27:31 | Horscht | arent't there "generic" ones? |
| 19:27:44 | gevaerts | barrywardell: then it won't help I fear. |
| 19:28:16 | Llorean | Simsgy: Because nobody is working on it. |
| 19:28:22 | Domonoky | $2000 is heavy for a usb vendor id... we need a sponsor.. :-) |
| 19:28:33 | gevaerts | Horscht: no. And companies can't give you a spare product id according to the usb-if conditions (although they ould grant an exception I guess) |
| 19:28:39 | gevaerts | *could |
| 19:29:11 | Simsgy | Llorean: Why |
| 19:29:26 | gevaerts | Domonoky: I think that any $2000 can probably be spent better elsewhere. This is just a purist cleanlyness thing |
| 19:29:31 | BigBambi | Simsgy: What kind of question is that? |
| 19:29:38 | saratoga | i don't think a vender id is all that desirable |
| 19:29:40 | BigBambi | If people want it, they need to work on it |
| 19:29:41 | Horscht | because no one with interest in porting it has a 3g nano |
| 19:29:49 | BigBambi | Simsgy: They aren't |
| 19:29:54 | Simsgy | =\ |
| 19:29:56 | Simsgy | Well, thanks |
| 19:29:57 | saratoga | probably better to use the OF's, that way we can potientially still support things like itunes or OF's software |
| 19:30:07 | Horscht | and obviously, the people that own a 3g nano don't care about porting it |
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| 19:34:05 | barrywardell | gevaerts: no luck :( |
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| 19:38:02 | linuxstb | gevaerts: There are companies that sell individual vendor/product IDs very cheaply |
| 19:38:08 | gevaerts | barrywardell: Can you try at full speed, i.e. revert to just before my last fix ? There are only reads in there, and some of them seem to be timing out. |
| 19:38:19 | gevaerts | linuxstb: really ? where ? |
| 19:38:59 | Horscht | thank you, jhMikeS, for the temporary fix on the spinlock issue |
| 19:39:41 | gevaerts | barrywardell: in case you didn't notice, I'm just throwing out wild ideas. I really have no idea right now as to what the problem is. |
| 19:40:06 | rasher | I wonder if this spinlock thing was related to the awful skipping performance on the e200 when shuffling many songs |
| 19:40:44 | linuxstb | gevaerts: http://www.mecanique.co.uk/products/usb/pid.html |
| 19:41:08 | linuxstb | Hmm, the link has died... |
| 19:41:27 | Horscht | works here, linuxstb |
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| 19:41:41 | Horscht | oh, no wait. it doesnÄt |
| 19:42:19 | midgey | barrywardell: my mac says it was "not able to enumerate a device" and will keep retrying according to dmesg when i try to plug in my e200 |
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| 19:43:03 | linuxstb | The issue of whether we want our own IDs was discussed on 12 October 2007, starting at 15.11.06 |
| 19:45:25 | * | Domonoky just sees 10 USB-PIDs for 25 ... so much cheaper... :-) |
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| 19:46:26 | linuxstb | Domonoky: Yes, I think I've found the same - http://www.voti.nl/shop/catalog.html?USB-PID-10 |
| 19:46:56 | linuxstb | Although it says "Pending a discussion with the USB organisation I have suspended the sale of USB PIDs" - so maybe the USB org have put a stop to these resellers... |
| 19:47:52 | Horscht | doesn't the USB org offer a very low volume license or something? |
| 19:47:56 | * | low_light reports that he has buttons working on mrobe 100 |
| 19:48:12 | linuxstb | low_light: Have you tried the USB driver on your mrobe? |
| 19:48:28 | gevaerts | So I was right, USB-IF doesn't like people sharing their vendor id. |
| 19:48:47 | linuxstb | low_light: Congratulations btw ;) |
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| 19:49:36 | low_light | linuxstb: thanks, still needs some tweaking |
| 19:49:48 | Horscht | gevaerts, yeah obviously. They want to get more money. |
| 19:51:18 | low_light | linuxstb: I haven't tried the usb driver yet |
| 19:52:10 | linuxstb | low_light: Something to add to your to-do list would be to find out the USB serial number the OF uses, and try to find out where that's stored on the device (so Rockbox can use it). |
| 19:52:26 | linuxstb | (in Linux, use "lsusb -v" and look for iSerial) |
| 19:52:30 | gevaerts | The main problems I see with using the OF ids are : (a) we _will_ behave differently in some corner cases (hopefully by being more correct), and host drivers use id-based black- and whitelists to enable/disable certain bug workarounds. (b) we may present different device classes than the OF |
| 19:53:08 | low_light | linuxstb: do you have the tatung elio bootloader? (not the OF) |
| 19:53:26 | linuxstb | low_light: I should have, yes. |
| 19:53:37 | low_light | I mean the OF bootloader |
| 19:54:03 | gevaerts | And I'm not really interested in having just one product id. I think real advantages to our own id only start appearing if we can allocate one per hardware platform (like differentiating between 32 and 64 MB ipods), and unfortunately that's not economically viable right now... |
| 19:54:40 | low_light | linuxstb: I want to see if i can dig out the lcd code for you ;) |
| 19:55:21 | linuxstb | low_light: That would be nice... |
| 19:55:31 | linuxstb | (see PM...) |
| 19:55:52 | alienbiker99 | is there a list of rockbox users bidding on ebay for mp3 player? so that one user doesnt outbid the other? |
| 19:56:27 | BigBambi | nope |
| 19:56:32 | rasher | alienbiker99: surely people would be bidding the same max amount anyway? |
| 19:56:35 | gevaerts | alienbiker99: how do you decide which one is allowed to bid today ? |
| 19:56:52 | Horscht | "I saw it first!" |
| 19:56:59 | BigBambi | alienbiker99: I neither see how it would work, nor think it should |
| 19:57:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | "Dibs on this one!" |
| 19:57:15 | alienbiker99 | dunno just asking. ive seen channels that have a list set up like that, but there was a lost more people wanting it than just the community |
| 19:57:24 | Horscht | "you already got 7 players, i only have 5!" |
| 19:57:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | "Tough! *I* get to have the Coldfire target this time!" |
| 19:58:03 | gevaerts | "I need just this one to complete my collection of first editions of rockbox-supported players!" |
| 19:58:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | alienbiker99: This is an example of what would happen. |
| 19:58:20 | barrywardell | gevaerts: sorry, I was away for a bit there. just tried full speed and still no luck :( |
| 19:58:21 | alienbiker99 | haha yeah i know |
| 19:58:25 | Horscht | "If you bid on this one, I'll slit your throat!" |
| 19:58:42 | * | gevaerts thinks that Horscht might win this argument |
| 19:58:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | "I'll go Feyd-Rautha on your pasty ass!" |
| 19:59:01 | * | LambdaCalculus37 has had his fun :) |
| 19:59:03 | Horscht | i don't want to win in the intertubes, gevaerts |
| 19:59:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | alienbiker99: A prime example of why a list like that is a terrible, terrible idea. |
| 19:59:43 | gevaerts | barrywardell: do you have a usb hub available ? Or are you using one ? Maybe changing bus topology helps. |
| 19:59:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | We're going to end up killing each other. |
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| 20:00:05 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: wouldn't that solve the problem ? |
| 20:00:16 | barrywardell | midgey: did you put the #define in your config? |
| 20:00:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: But who gets to enjoy the DAP in the end, when everyone's congealing on the floor? |
| 20:00:31 | Horscht | it would, but this channel would be "dead" quiet, gevaerts |
| 20:00:45 | * | gevaerts hopes there would be one survivor... |
| 20:00:47 | Horscht | (pun intended" |
| 20:01:14 | midgey | barrywardell: I added #define USE_ROCKBOX_USB to config-e200.h |
| 20:01:40 | barrywardell | gevaerts: I'm on a laptop, so only two ports to try. both same problem |
| 20:03:44 | gevaerts | barrywardell: if you manage to try with a hub, please do. It shouldn't make a difference (since we can't control the wire-side of things, it should behave the same as the OF), but you never know... |
| 20:06:35 | linuxstb | saratoga: Looking at your patch for FS #8443, it seems to include unrelated changed to do with backdrops - were those intended? |
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| 20:10:34 | barrywardell | midgey: weird. is that with current svn? |
| 20:10:55 | midgey | indeed |
| 20:11:26 | midgey | i'll take a look at it later tonight; i'm actually on my way out for spring break |
| 20:11:26 | barrywardell | gevaerts: will do. in case it's any help, here's what dmesg says on my mac: http://pastebin.com/m64c59bd7 |
| 20:11:59 | midgey | im running 10.4.11 Tiger on a Macbook |
| 20:12:25 | barrywardell | I'm 10.5.2 Leopard on Macbook. Maybe that's the difference |
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| 20:14:22 | saratoga | linuxstb: yes, pixelma complained that my previous cabbiev2 commits caused various color only theme options to be written on grayscale targets |
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| 20:18:20 | gevaerts | barrywardell: that dmesg output looks like an OS bug to me. Hard to be sure though. |
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| 20:20:26 | linuxstb | saratoga: Shouldn't that be a separate patch then? |
| 20:20:59 | barrywardell | gevaerts: could be. although it doesn't happen with the OF USB mode |
| 20:22:12 | barrywardell | gtg. I'll report back if I find anything more of interest |
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| 20:35:52 | amiconn | gevaerts: Something seems to be wrong with highspeed mode |
| 20:36:16 | amiconn | I can mount my mini g2, but file transfer is *way slower* than with the fullspeed version |
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| 20:38:09 | gevaerts | amiconn: fun |
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| 20:38:16 | amiconn | Hrrm, and now it even stopped working |
| 20:38:44 | linuxstb | amiconn: Is that on Windows? |
| 20:38:51 | amiconn | yeds |
| 20:38:54 | amiconn | *yes |
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| 20:41:00 | gevaerts | amiconn: there is something at least somewhat wrong here too : I get a device reset just after scanning the partitions. It doesn't seem to harm, but maybe it does on windows |
| 20:41:32 | gevaerts | amiconn: Note that this is on not on exact svn |
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| 20:41:48 | amiconn | gevaerts: I compared unzipping a rockbox build using 7-zip on windows. With diskmode it takes 16 seconds, with fullspeed rockbox it took 35 seconds |
| 20:42:27 | linuxstb | That's about the speed difference I got with diskmode vs highspeed Rockbox on my Color |
| 20:42:30 | amiconn | But with highspeed rockbox the predicted extraction time was > 10 minutes, and then it stopped ~ 1/3 way through and complained that the system could not find a file |
| 20:42:52 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 20:45:54 | gevaerts | amiconn: I'll test on windows soon. |
| 20:46:58 | gevaerts | petur: GUI's are worse. Look in the logs for the last time I plugged in a mouse. |
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| 20:48:44 | * | amiconn thinks this windows problem and the macos problem are probably actually the same |
| 20:49:36 | * | gevaerts thinks that amiconn may be right |
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| 20:51:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'm off now... see everyone later! |
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| 20:52:50 | amiconn | eurgh |
| 20:53:04 | * | amiconn just tried mounting the thing on his Amiga |
| 20:53:12 | * | gevaerts is very afraid |
| 20:53:17 | amiconn | *PANIC* Writing on sector 0 |
| 20:53:38 | * | amiconn wonders why AmigaOS wants to write to sector 0 on mount... |
| 20:53:56 | gevaerts | amiconn: I actually saw windows do that on my sansa as well a while ago |
| 20:53:59 | * | amiconn thinks we should disable sector 0 protection in the ata driver |
| 20:56:26 | * | gevaerts agrees. Why is it actually there ? |
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| 20:56:43 | amiconn | Afaik it was added as a safety measure back when ata and filesystem write support were developed |
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| 20:57:27 | * | gevaerts discovers md5sum mismatches on testing high-speed support |
| 20:58:19 | gevaerts | Should I disable high speed again in svn until we know what's going on ? |
| 20:58:31 | amiconn | The (well, my) Amiga USB is fullspeed only, btw |
| 20:58:54 | amiconn | I doubt a classic Amiga would be fast enough to handle high speed anyway |
| 20:58:59 | gevaerts | amiconn: yes, but you have problems in windows with high speed, I get read corruption,... |
| 20:59:53 | amiconn | Heck, the CPU in that thing is slower than the one in the device I am connecting - and it's already the fastest CPU a classic Amiga can have |
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| 21:05:40 | amiconn | So, anyone against ditching sector 0 write protection? |
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| 21:06:24 | amiconn | The MMC (Ondios) driver also has it, but neither the flash driver (iFP 7xx), nor the SD driver (Sansas) |
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| 21:06:47 | petur | did anybody ever see that *panic* ? |
| 21:06:55 | amiconn | Yes, me |
| 21:06:55 | linuxstb | It doesn't matter on ipods - diskmode will start regardless of a valid sector 0 or not. |
| 21:07:04 | amiconn | Several times, this week |
| 21:07:08 | petur | I mean, when not testing usb ;) |
| 21:07:11 | gevaerts | Did it ever appear in normal usage ? |
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| 21:08:42 | * | petur runs out of ideas regarding CF powermanagement setting failure |
| 21:09:25 | * | gevaerts is now actually working in two different source trees |
| 21:09:50 | petur | welcome |
| 21:09:59 | amiconn | gevaerts: I never saw it, but I came to the project when write support was already there |
| 21:10:00 | linuxstb | Just remember to compile the one you're working on... |
| 21:11:00 | gevaerts | amiconn: I think if noone remembers forum cries for help about it, it probably never occurred |
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| 21:12:01 | amiconn | That was ~ 4 years ago, btw (coding wise, even a bit longer as a user) |
| 21:13:22 | amiconn | Back |
| 21:13:35 | amiconn | sorry |
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| 21:15:09 | amiconn | gevaerts: Something is odd on Amiga, btw: I get 2 (identical) disk icons |
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| 21:16:35 | amiconn | It's actually mounted twice |
| 21:17:30 | gevaerts | amiconn: interesting. |
| 21:18:24 | amiconn | The serial number doesn't look right |
| 21:18:51 | amiconn | The whole usb device info doesn't look right... |
| 21:20:29 | gevaerts | What's the policy on comitting trivial typo fixes in comments ? |
| 21:22:07 | petur | just commit them? |
| 21:23:18 | * | gevaerts just did his first completely safe commit |
| 21:23:42 | amiconn | gevaerts: Strange. The serial number sometimes matches the OF, and sometimes it is different |
| 21:24:30 | amiconn | The difference, if it exists, is that certain bytes are 00 instead of the expected value - but not always the same bytes are affected |
| 21:24:55 | gevaerts | For my usb integration work, I'd like to add HAVE_SOFTWARE_USB. Whether a target has it probably depends more on the chipset than anything else. Should I add it to all relevant config-*.h files, or just once to pp5020.h ? |
| 21:25:09 | gevaerts | amiconn: sounds like a cpu cache problem to me |
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| 21:25:38 | MajorC | just wanna thank you frank for an excellent work on the usb-support for portal players! |
| 21:25:56 | * | petur tried all all possible CF powermanagement levels, all refused :/ |
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| 21:27:08 | gibbon_ | good evening |
| 21:27:40 | gevaerts | amiconn: I'm nearly sure of that. The string descriptor related code has no cache-awareness magic at all. I'll add it now. |
| 21:27:49 | gevaerts | MajorC: you're welcome |
| 21:29:32 | * | gibbon_ bows in deep thankfulness before the work that has been done by the rockbox developers in the last few years... you really saved my ipod from me stopping to love it... |
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| 21:30:22 | gibbon_ | i just wanted to state that once again... after thinking twice, i think my question better goes to the community channel... sorry for bothering |
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| 21:39:09 | amiconn | gevaerts: Btw, the USB serial number can be found in windows |
| 21:39:19 | gevaerts | amiconn: the usb serial descriptor bug should now be fixed in svn |
| 21:39:43 | gevaerts | amiconn: I guess somewhere in device manager/properties ? |
| 21:40:24 | amiconn | Yes. You need to enable the detailed information mode though (via an environment variable) |
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| 21:41:20 | amiconn | Ah, no, that was something else |
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| 21:42:24 | amiconn | In the device manager, expand the USB sub-tree, click the respective usb storage device, then go to the Details tab |
| 21:42:48 | amiconn | (all translated from german windows, so the exact names might be different) |
| 21:43:37 | amiconn | In the dropdown list, there is an item "bus relations" (??), which contains the serial # as part of the string |
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| 21:44:59 | * | gevaerts goes to a Windows machine to try |
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| 21:45:59 | amiconn | The string is & separated, the serial number is the second one from the end (the last one is just "&0" here) |
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| 21:46:45 | gibbon_ | hmm... maybe i was wrong... |
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| 21:47:03 | gevaerts | Found it. Good to know, but I still find lsusb and /sys/bus/usb/devices/ easier |
| 21:47:53 | gibbon_ | i wonder, if there is any way to distinguish a sansa c250 FM from the v2 version before buying ... maybe some relevant specs... i looked on the buyers guide and could not quite find what i looked for |
| 21:48:52 | * | Domonoky_ thinks the only sure way is the of version... |
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| 21:50:31 | gevaerts | gibbon_: _usually_ a v2 mentions audible support on the box, and v1 doesn't. My v1 did, so this rule doesn't always work. I don't know if they sell v2's without mentionning audible, but I wouldn't be surprised. As far as I know that's the only way to guess without opening the box. |
| 21:50:41 | gibbon_ | Domonoky_: hmm... i was told in the neighbourhood that there is work in progress to support the later v2 models, too... so perhaps the v2 is a good start to help, even if it does not work in the first place ;) |
| 21:50:45 | amiconn | linuxstb, gevaerts: The solution for the H10 iSerial is trivial - it doesn't have one |
| 21:51:24 | gevaerts | gibbon_: If you can open the box, usually v2's mention "v2" on the back, but same thing as with audible, sometimes they don't, and sometimes v1's are marked v2. |
| 21:51:26 | gibbon_ | gevaerts: thats hard in an online shop :) but when it cones hard on hard, i can always send it back |
| 21:51:38 | Domonoky_ | gibbon_: i think nobody works on sansa v2 .. so a very long wy for rockbox on it.. |
| 21:52:13 | gibbon_ | Domonoky_: oh, ok... then the "... i can always send it back" becomes very more likely |
| 21:52:20 | amiconn | gevaerts: Btw, OF reports just '0', while rockbox reports '0000000000000000' |
| 21:52:34 | gevaerts | gibbon_: your best bet would indeed be to send it back if it's a v2. |
| 21:52:43 | * | gibbon_ nods... |
| 21:53:03 | linuxstb | amiconn: Seems spec-violation is common-place... |
| 21:53:18 | linuxstb | Does the H10 just have one disk mode? |
| 21:53:19 | amiconn | Yup |
| 21:53:21 | gibbon_ | if its a v1, fm radio and recording work, i suppose? |
| 21:53:44 | gevaerts | Does the H10's disk have a serial number ? |
| 21:53:46 | amiconn | Recording works, but I wouldn't recommend a sansa for recording |
| 21:53:48 | BigBambi | Do all European models have a radio? |
| 21:53:55 | BigBambi | of the c200s? |
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| 21:54:45 | gevaerts | gibbon_: if it mentions radio, it should have a radio. If it has one, rockbox supports it. |
| 21:54:58 | gibbon_ | BigBambi: the shop calls the device "FM" explicitly... i found some without that in the name... so not all have it but there are some available |
| 21:55:06 | gibbon_ | thanks again |
| 21:55:16 | gevaerts | good luck |
| 21:55:20 | amiconn | linuxstb: Btw, the Ondios also don't have a serial number - and they use a hardware USB-MMC bridge |
| 21:55:41 | rasher | gibbon_: I think some that don't advertise FM, actually do have the fm chip |
| 21:56:15 | gibbon_ | may be ... |
| 21:57:01 | gibbon_ | the ones without are average 10 euros less in price than the ones advertised with... it seems that sandisk is even worse when it comes to model names than netgear... *shiver* |
| 21:57:29 | gibbon_ | even the micro-sd works? |
| 21:57:54 | linuxstb | amiconn: I just looked at my Elio (my only non-ipod PP device), and that also reports "0" as the serial number.... |
| 21:58:09 | gevaerts | gibbon_: micro-sd works, and rockbox supports sdhc on the v1, which the OF doesn't |
| 21:58:34 | amiconn | The iriver also just has a rather generic iroduct string: "IRIVER Mass Storage Device" |
| 21:58:41 | amiconn | *iProduct |
| 21:58:42 | gevaerts | amiconn: any chance to get a serial number from the disk ? That would be good enough |
| 21:59:20 | amiconn | And the OF reboots into ROM diskmode on iriver when detecting USB |
| 21:59:21 | BigBambi | gibbon_: Yep, with the added bonus of sdhc support |
| 21:59:33 | gibbon_ | :) |
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| 21:59:35 | amiconn | So only a single mode (@linuxstb) |
| 21:59:43 | BigBambi | Up to a theoretical 32 GB i believe (the OF stops at 2GB with standard SD) |
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| 22:00:01 | rasher | Is that theoretical 32GB limit correct? |
| 22:00:04 | gibbon_ | ok... i think there is a v2 series on the e series as well... |
| 22:00:13 | BigBambi | rasher: Not sure, hence the I believe |
| 22:00:19 | BigBambi | But I thought so |
| 22:00:26 | BigBambi | gibbon_: Yes there is |
| 22:00:42 | gibbon_ | gnaaa |
| 22:01:31 | BigBambi | rasher: Apparently it isn't |
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| 22:02:09 | gibbon_ | then, i think, the c250 it is... |
| 22:02:12 | rasher | BigBambi: Based on what? I've seen conflicting reports, which is why I'm asking |
| 22:02:22 | BigBambi | rasher: Wikipedia claims a theoretical maximum of 2048 GB |
| 22:02:23 | BigBambi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card |
| 22:02:38 | BigBambi | Standard wikipedia disclaimers |
| 22:02:42 | BigBambi | (from me) |
| 22:02:53 | BigBambi | Hang on |
| 22:03:01 | * | BigBambi ought to search for micro-sdhc |
| 22:03:04 | rasher | BigBambi: But it was wikipedia who claimed the 32GB as well (at least that's where I read it), so I'm not sure what to believe |
| 22:03:50 | BigBambi | rasher: I'm not sure either |
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| 22:04:29 | gibbon_ | lets just say "every sdhc on the market might work" |
| 22:04:40 | gibbon_ | ymmv :) |
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| 22:05:05 | rasher | I haven't seen reports about any microsdhc cards not working |
| 22:05:24 | * | gevaerts goes shopping for a 2TB sdhc card |
| 22:05:38 | BigBambi | Would be nice wouldn't it |
| 22:05:41 | amiconn | Do you have a time machine? ;) |
| 22:05:56 | * | BigBambi needs to go shopping for a 120 GB to stick in the gigabeast |
| 22:06:05 | magmaniac | petur: ping |
| 22:06:32 | ze | rasher: 32G is the biggest they've made so far isn't it? |
| 22:06:38 | petur | magmaniac: hi |
| 22:06:53 | ze | rasher: i'd be surprised if they already hit the limit after the whole sdhc debacle |
| 22:07:01 | gibbon_ | ze: they have? thats a really HUGE microsd then |
| 22:07:27 | ze | gibbon_: oh for micro i think i just saw 12G get announced... |
| 22:07:30 | magmaniac | petur: I was thinking about how we can detect whether our device has a disk or a CF card |
| 22:07:30 | gibbon_ | bigger than my ipod color was before it passed away |
| 22:07:39 | gibbon_ | ah, ok |
| 22:07:40 | ze | gibbon_: but thats just form factor, has nothing to do with technical limits |
| 22:07:51 | ze | sd is still sd |
| 22:07:51 | ze | heh |
| 22:07:53 | * | gibbon_ was in the micro sdhc context still |
| 22:08:08 | gibbon_ | my bad |
| 22:08:12 | magmaniac | petur: and the CF spec says that we could use the word 0 of the identify_info array for that |
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| 22:09:40 | petur | magmaniac: you mean value 848A? |
| 22:10:03 | magmaniac | petur: yes, though it seems that a bunch of other values are also allowed. |
| 22:10:11 | amiconn | I think magmaniac Means bit 15 of that |
| 22:10:19 | amiconn | ...and that actually sounds like an idea |
| 22:10:27 | amiconn | Guess what the Nano reports there? |
| 22:10:29 | magmaniac | e.g. my card actually uses 044A |
| 22:10:40 | petur | 044A here too |
| 22:10:47 | amiconn | And on Nano too... |
| 22:10:54 | petur | aha |
| 22:10:59 | amiconn | ! |
| 22:11:09 | magmaniac | the big question is, what does a HD return there? |
| 22:11:19 | amiconn | Bit 15 is set for an ata device |
| 22:11:38 | amiconn | And for CF it is obviously unset |
| 22:12:26 | amiconn | Eek, the MK8007GAH seems to violate the specs here :( |
| 22:13:12 | * | gevaerts thinks the only specs that aren't violated are those that are not implemented at all |
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| 22:13:32 | magmaniac | I guess I'll swap CF and disk again... |
| 22:14:22 | petur | amiconn: shouldn't your 'dump identify to disk' be committed? |
| 22:14:27 | amiconn | gevaerts: The disk does have a serial number |
| 22:14:57 | amiconn | The question is whether it's a faked one |
| 22:15:10 | amiconn | Anyone else with a H10 6GB (not 5GB)? |
| 22:15:17 | gibbon_ | thanks for the help so far... |
| 22:15:28 | gibbon_ | the rest is up to me and mrs luck i guess |
| 22:15:32 | petur | 5GB w/o radio here |
| 22:15:52 | amiconn | petur: I don't think so, as it's quite special. In its current form it would also break all non-ata targets |
| 22:16:02 | gibbon_ | and again... thanks for all the hard work :) there are people out there you make really happy |
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| 22:16:14 | gibbon_ | see you later |
| 22:16:51 | amiconn | The ST660211 also violates the specs and reports itself as non-ata ... |
| 22:16:54 | petur | amiconn: really? I think it is more usefull than 'dump rom' for instance |
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| 22:18:10 | * | magmaniac hates it when Torx screws drop from the table |
| 22:18:16 | amiconn | It has another problem - you need to know whether the dump is from a little endian or a big endian target |
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| 22:21:32 | * | gevaerts tells magmaniac to work on the floor |
| 22:22:01 | magmaniac | amiconn: can you tell us the full value of word 0 for these non-conforming devices? |
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| 22:26:13 | amiconn | MK8007GAH (iriver H180) reports 0x0040. ST660211 (iriver H10) reports 0x0c5a (both violating the specs). HMS360604D5CF00 (mini) reports 0x848a (conforming) |
| 22:28:33 | magmaniac | MK2004GAL (stock H120) reports 0x0040 too |
| 22:29:33 | magmaniac | and the CF spec even says that 0x0040 is one of the "preferred" alternate configuration values for CF cards! |
| 22:30:00 | magmaniac | which means there may be cards which report 0x0040. |
| 22:31:03 | gevaerts | I posted a new patch on flyspray that should fix the button press and screendump related bugs, and gets rid of the usb_core thread. I didn't commit it because it is not easily possible to disable it any more. I'd appreciate some review. |
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| 22:40:07 | magmaniac | So word 0 doesn't help us. There's of course the "model number" (ASCII string in words 27-46)... one could have a blacklist of models against which one can match this string, and if it's in the blacklist, activate things like the ATA -80 workaround. But that is so ugly... |
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| 22:43:01 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: which thread is it using now? |
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| 22:48:46 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: nvm. I saw although cranking up the priority during connection or transfers might be wise. |
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| 22:51:46 | magmaniac | petur: when you first posted the idinfo.bin of your card for amiconn (a few days ago), I took the liberty of downloading it too... do I see correctly that the "model number" of your card is set to *all spaces*? |
| 22:53:54 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: the usb thread seemed the logical choice. Maybe we can just crank up the priority at all times. It only does something when a connection is detected, and spends the rest of its time in queue_wait, so a higher priority shouldn't harm anything |
| 22:55:23 | jhMikeS | if it almost never runs for any reason I agree |
| 22:56:47 | stripwax | gevaerts - once again, huge props on the usb work! does the latest commit (fix caching issues) resolve the corruption on high speed or is the corruption coming from the controller somewhere? |
| 22:57:01 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: It only gets triggered by connection changes, and on ondio sp on mmc insert/remove |
| 22:57:20 | petur | magmaniac: seems so |
| 22:57:43 | gevaerts | stripwax: it only fixes the usb serial number sometimes not being correct. I haven't looked into the high-speed problems yet |
| 22:58:10 | pixelma | gevaerts: on OndioFM it might do the same ;) |
| 22:58:15 | magmaniac | petur: now that is very descriptive :( how is one supposed these things apart if almost everything violates spec? |
| 22:58:22 | petur | magmaniac: then again, serial is not at all what is printed on the case |
| 22:58:57 | magmaniac | s/supposed/supposed to tell/ |
| 22:59:10 | petur | magmaniac: I've done some CF stuff at work in the past and I'm not surprised |
| 22:59:12 | gevaerts | pixelma: right. I somehow missed that in my search for HAVE_MMC last time |
| 22:59:46 | magmaniac | petur: ah, for me it's the first time that I go this close to hardware. |
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| 23:00:43 | * | magmaniac notices that his CF card claims to support SMART |
| 23:00:45 | stripwax | ok., ta |
| 23:01:04 | petur | magmaniac: actually, I only moved closer to hardware in the last years, I used to do windows stuff |
| 23:03:13 | magmaniac | any more ideas for HD-CF detection? One could take the failing set_features() call as an indication... :-/ |
| 23:03:37 | amiconn | magmaniac, petur: Specs violation seems to be common among flash memory cards. |
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| 23:04:54 | * | petur is surprised nobody complained about SimpleTech cards, they really are simple...crap |
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| 23:05:15 | magmaniac | I think it's preety widespread. At work I often stumble across hard disk and controller idiosyncracies... often solved by firmware upgrades |
| 23:05:34 | amiconn | Iirc at least one of my MMCs also has an empty serial number, violating the MMC specs |
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| 23:06:44 | petur | fyi, the powermanagement setting failure gives as extended error (request sense) 0x1F |
| 23:06:59 | petur | not very helpfull |
| 23:07:42 | amiconn | Actually I did nor remember correctly, but I doubt that a serial number of 0x0000000a is correct... |
| 23:07:44 | * | petur silently hopes A-Data tech support will actually give a usefull answer |
| 23:08:07 | * | gevaerts thinks that amiconn might be an early adopter |
| 23:08:24 | amiconn | My 2GB Magu MMC has that serial number... |
| 23:08:53 | gevaerts | Maybe you have the tenth one produced ? |
| 23:09:10 | petur | 'beta' |
| 23:09:28 | petur | or better: prototype |
| 23:10:12 | magmaniac | Regarding the CF mod, I have a completely unrelated, practical question: what do you do to fix the adapter to the ATA connector? I think if I shake mine hard enough (or equivalently, take a long bus ride), the adapter might dislodge... |
| 23:12:09 | petur | have not given it much thought yet |
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| 23:12:32 | magmaniac | I suppose some kind of adhesive tape will do the trick |
| 23:14:01 | petur | amiconn: I assume the reason we do the reset in the control reg and not the config reg is to avoid re-configuring? |
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| 23:20:57 | amiconn | petur: I don't know... |
| 23:21:15 | amiconn | gevaerts: iProduct and iSerial are totally broken now.... |
| 23:21:25 | amiconn | iManufacturer too |
| 23:22:12 | gevaerts | So my latest fix wasn't... |
| 23:23:07 | amiconn | I get gibberish characters with (parts of) '0123456789ABCDEF' in it |
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| 23:23:16 | petur | amiconn: the reset we do retains settings, while the reset in the config reg is a real one... as we do not reconfigure, I guess it makes sense |
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| 23:24:09 | magmaniac | um, does somebody know what "IORDY support" means exactly? |
| 23:24:27 | petur | a hardware control signal |
| 23:24:46 | magmaniac | go on :) |
| 23:25:08 | gevaerts | amiconn: fixed |
| 23:25:44 | magmaniac | I'm asking because I found the following in the CF spec "Support of IORDY is mandatory when PIO mode 3 or above is the current mode of operation" |
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| 23:26:12 | magmaniac | Now my card says it doesn't support IORDY, but it does support PIO 4. |
| 23:26:29 | amiconn | Same thing in the ata specs |
| 23:26:42 | magmaniac | And RB uses PIO 4 if available, right? |
| 23:26:44 | amiconn | Just another specs vioaltion, as usual |
| 23:27:11 | amiconn | yes |
| 23:27:17 | magmaniac | right, though I wonder if this one causes some of our problems? |
| 23:27:23 | petur | magmaniac: I already tried PIO0, same issues |
| 23:27:32 | gevaerts | Does anyone know what 'ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: dev 4 ep1in scatterlist error -104/-121' means ? |
| 23:27:47 | magmaniac | petur: thanks, OK |
| 23:27:47 | amiconn | On h1x0, iordy isn't even connected, so even a disk that supports it couldn't use it |
| 23:28:09 | magmaniac | OK, you see I'm poking around in the dark... |
| 23:29:18 | Bagder | gevaerts: kernel/drivers/usb/core/message.c |
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| 23:30:14 | amiconn | gevaerts: Looking good now. Is the iSerial limited to hexadecimal characters, or is that just by convention? |
| 23:30:38 | gevaerts | Bagder: so does that mean that I managed to trigger a ehci bug with rockbox ? |
| 23:30:47 | amiconn | I'm asking because the hdd serial is ascii, and often contains letters in addition to digits |
| 23:31:12 | gevaerts | amiconn: for mass storage it has to be hex. How long is the hdd serial ? |
| 23:31:22 | Bagder | gevaerts: I'm not really entitled to say, but there's a huge comment block around that error message in the kernel code that might mean more to you than it does to me... |
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| 23:31:50 | amiconn | 20 characters (plain ascii, not unicode), but I didn't find a hdd that uses all characters |
| 23:31:55 | greatgatsby | :D |
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| 23:32:08 | gevaerts | Bagder: there's also this commented out BUG() macro... I think I'll probably need a tracer to see what the device actually does. |
| 23:32:26 | pixelma | Bagder: are you able to teach the front page gevaerts' name (the build table etc. already do) |
| 23:32:27 | amiconn | The string is padded with spaces, but the actual serial "number" is sometimes right aligned within the field |
| 23:32:37 | gevaerts | amiconn: so we could make that a 40 characters hex serial I guess |
| 23:32:41 | amiconn | (i.e. left-padded with spaces) |
| 23:36:20 | gevaerts | amiconn: I guess that number is somewhere in the identify data ? |
| 23:36:25 | amiconn | yes |
| 23:36:33 | amiconn | Words 10..19 |
| 23:37:13 | amiconn | Take care of endianness |
| 23:38:14 | gevaerts | Can I assume that any target that doesn't define HAVE_FLASH uses ata, or is there a specific one ? |
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| 23:38:56 | greatgatsby | quick question: i used ubuntu gutsy to transfer songs to 30G U2 ipod video, and the transferred songs played with ~<2 second inserts of other songs in the ipod |
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| 23:40:10 | rasher | greatgatsby: I've seen this, and I think it's a Linux problem (happened with my Iriver H120, which uses a hardware usb bridge) |
| 23:40:21 | saratoga | i believe i have worked all bugs out of the default theme patch (FS #8443) |
| 23:40:27 | rasher | Or at east Linux-related. |
| 23:40:33 | saratoga | i'd appreaciate it though if someone could look over it before i submit |
| 23:40:43 | saratoga | also, testing on a target with remote would be nice, since i don't have one of those |
| 23:41:13 | Llorean | greatgatsby: You should find the songs *on the ipod* and try playing those files back on your PC |
| 23:41:36 | amiconn | gevaerts: Neither. HAVE_FLASH_STORAGE doesn't define which driver is used, it defined behaviour |
| 23:41:37 | magmaniac | rasher: funny, I've been using a H120 with Linux for years, and never encountered such behaviour |
| 23:42:08 | amiconn | E.g. the ipod nano does define HAVE_FLASH_STORAGE, while it does use the ata driver |
| 23:42:53 | greatgatsby | songs played with inserts when transfered from the ipod...but original files are ok |
| 23:43:21 | rasher | magmaniac: you might have to do something stupid to trigger it, or perhaps certain hardware triggers it |
| 23:43:28 | magmaniac | greatgatsby: this sound like the filesystem on the ipod is damaged. |
| 23:43:30 | linuxstb | greatgatsby: Sounds like a filesystem corruption - do you always unmount the ipod before unplugging it? |
| 23:43:43 | greatgatsby | yes..i always unmount |
| 23:44:22 | greatgatsby | ooops..that sounded funny. lol |
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| 23:46:52 | magmaniac | greatgatsby: can you do a filesystem check of your ipod? |
| 23:47:34 | greatgatsby | i will |
| 23:47:34 | gevaerts | amiconn: ok. Can I assume that ata_get_identify() will be available on non-ipod, non-sansa usb stack using targets ? |
| 23:49:26 | amiconn | Right now you can, I think |
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| 23:58:49 | Lars_G | Hey all, what's the "rigth" place to set USE_ROCKBOX_USB, autoconf.h on my build dir? |
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