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#rockbox log for 2008-02-24

00:00:29gevaertsbarrywardell_: but I suspect that on a H10 you have to use files.
00:00:49midgeyBagder: you're welcome. always glad to take midkay's credit ;)
00:00:59barrywardell_gevaerts: ok, thanks. I'll try that now...
00:01:10midkayhahaha.. likewise, midgey :)
00:01:12*Bagder oopses
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00:05:46gevaertsjhMikeS: do you know if the udelay(2) is actually really needed, or was it tested to work with udelay(1), and then increased "just to be sure" ?
00:06:26gevaertsjhMikeS: I now have copied 300MB with udelay(1) and no errors
00:06:51*gevaerts gets nervous about delays that have to be just right
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00:09:45*gevaerts now gets an error again
00:11:52jhMikeSthey can't be just right since interrupts will throw them off so perhaps that section could matter
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00:12:27*barrywardell_ copied a 350MB file over to his H10 and back and the md5sums match
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00:13:17gevaertsbarrywardell_: did you unmount between both copies ?
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00:13:30barrywardell_no, maybe I should have?
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00:13:48gevaertsbarrywardell_: if you don't the kernel may still cache the data
00:14:01axhmm, just updated the my ipod nano and now when i boot i just see : "Rockbox loaded." after the sum etc.. and nothing else happens
00:14:15barrywardell_ok, I'll try unmounting, then copying the file back
00:14:22amiconngevaerts, barrywardell_: Or mount with 'sync'
00:14:33barrywardell_I'm on windows...
00:15:16amiconnThen data shouldn't be cached. winxp disables caching for removable storage by default
00:15:29gevaertsamiconn: sync will force the data to be on disk, but does it prevent read cache as well ?
00:15:37axshould i update to a newer bootloader [is there one] i have 20060126-1829
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00:16:26jhMikeSgevearts: A guess of mine is that it may expect an unbroken FIFO if using the WRITE_MULTIPLE_BLOCK command
00:17:14Bagderax: yes you should
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00:18:26gevaertsjhMikeS: could be. I now removed the udelay entirely, and it still seems to work better than with udelay(2)
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00:19:09barrywardell_gevaerts: md5sum is still the same after unmount and mount
00:19:19barrywardell_and copying the file over and back again
00:19:34amiconnbarrywardell_: Is that with highspeed?
00:19:40gevaertsbarrywardell_: so your driver is probably more solid
00:19:51barrywardell_amiconn: yes
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00:20:24*gevaerts has noticed that Windows and Mac support seems to be hit-and-miss
00:20:25amiconnWhen I tried highspeed on windows (I only have ata based PP devices), it slowed down to a crawl and produced timeouts
00:20:51amiconnFullspeed works like a charm for me though
00:20:59barrywardell_amiconn: I think so anyway. how do I check?
00:21:15gevaertsbarrywardell_: how fast was this 350MB copy ?
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00:21:44barrywardell_I didn't time it, maybe a minute?
00:22:37gevaertsThat's high speed. With full speed back and forth would have been more than 10 minutes for 350 MB
00:23:29*gevaerts uses the irc log timestamps to estimate connection speeds of various devices
00:25:05axokay, new firmware fixed it :)
00:25:21axoops, s/firmware/bootloader
00:25:56jhMikeSgevaerts: hmmm...but given sd_poll_status yields to other threads, that doesn't sound right or the problem should be more frequent and it takes way longer than 2us for turnaround
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00:27:55gevaertsjhMikeS: maybe that yield is the actual problem then ?
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00:28:25gevaertsjhMikeS: I now have more than 500MB without udelay and without problems (but with faster speeds)
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00:29:14barrywardell_gevaerts, amiconn: it took a little under 2 minutes to copy to my H10, so definitely high speed
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00:33:41barrywardell_gevaerts: on windows, my H10 with Rockbox USB appears as a "Hard Disk Drive" in My Computer, but with the OF disk mode it appears under "Devices with removable storage". is it supposed to be that way?
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00:35:37gevaertsbarrywardell_: The old discussion... I think Hard Disk Drive is correct according to the SCSI spec, since the disk is fixed to the scsi handler, but some people seem to disagree
00:36:25barrywardell_hmmm...ok. I don't think I've seen that with any usb storage before
00:36:37gevaertsbarrywardell_: removable means you need to handle the SCSI commands for removable drives, which makes no sense at all if "removing" means "unplugging the cable"
00:38:05gevaertsAnd furthermore, how do you handle a device with both fixed storage and a card slot, like the sansas ?
00:38:06amiconnThe ipods and the H10 appear as 'removable storage' with their respective OS or diskmode
00:38:22amiconnThe H1x0, H300, archoses etc appear as hard disk drives
00:39:03amiconnTechnically, 'hard disk drive' is correct as gevaerts just explained, but practically 'removable storage' does have advantages at least on windows
00:39:10barrywardell_so by the specs hard drive is the correct way
00:39:30amiconnIt stops windows from cluttering the device with its 'system volume information' folder etc
00:39:42gevaertsbarrywardell_: that's my reading of the specs. But of course these specs predate USB
00:39:49*barrywardell_ thinks practicality is more important than technicalities
00:39:52jhMikeSsansas just mounts as two drives (the card driver shows up always) so why do things any differently?
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00:40:33JamPSiamiconn, Is it safe to delete 'system volume information' on ntfs drives?
00:40:40gevaertsjhMikeS: the drive shows, just like your floppy or cd... Anyway I think the disk cluttering argument is pretty strong.
00:41:39jhMikeSI thought removeable storage always showed even when absent
00:42:04amiconnSlight correction regarding archoses - the Ondios appear as 'removable storage' as well
00:42:13gevaertsjhMikeS: yes, except if you pull out the entire drive. Try pulling out your cdrom drive some day ;-)
00:42:14amiconnMakes sense as they have an MMC slot
00:42:40amiconngevaerts: That's actually possible with some laptops...
00:43:14amiconnI mean hot-plugging/unplugging cd-roms - I've seen that on pre-usb laptops
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00:43:45gevaertsI know, my thinkpad can do that. So if you put a second hard drive in that bay (those exist), is that a removable drive ?
00:44:13amiconnSome PCs handle their internal sata hdds as removable drives
00:45:00gevaertsI think current software and hardware has confused the issue so much that you can't really make a good decision on this
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00:45:08amiconnWindows shows that 'safely remove hardware' icon even for the system disk on those. Of course it will always complain that the drive can't be removed because it's in use
00:46:08gevaertsThey probably show that icon depending on the bus and not on what the device claims itself. Some SATA controllers support hotplugging
00:47:34amiconnI don't think so. A secondary disk actually can be removed this way and unplugged afterwards. And yes, sata was designed with hotplugging in mind
00:48:27gevaertsAnyway, I have now copied two gigabytes back and forth without any data errors. Still lots of ehci_hcd errors in my dmesg output, but that doesn't seem to cause much more than a slight slowdown on read.
00:51:10jhMikeSgevaerts: just because the udelay was there?
00:51:30gevaertsjhMikeS: that seems to make the difference, yes
00:52:03gevaertsI now write at 3.4 MB/s
00:52:51jhMikeSthat just well, odd unless perhaps because it was between the PRG state and the FIFO check
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00:54:22gevaertsIt certainly needs explaining. Commenting out code that is explicitly documented as needed to make things work raises some questions...
00:55:45Nico_PDomonoky_: here? I'm still unable to compile rbutil. I used to be able but maybe something changed on my system
00:57:20jhMikeSgevaerts: were the errors always at transfer sizes boundaries?
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00:58:17gevaertsjhMikeS: no. It was always at (start of transfer + 0x220), copying bytes from (start of transfer + 0x200)
00:58:49gevaertsSo just after the end of the first block
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01:09:26countrymonkeyWhy havnn't fs#8576 and fs#8577 got looked at even though they are 2 wks old?
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01:10:25Evilnick_Anyone around who deals with the default cabbiev2 theme?
01:10:30countrymonkeyMost patches get looked at within 2 or so days!
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01:11:29rashercountrymonkey: It's a conspiracy
01:11:46gevaertsAnother one ?
01:11:55rasherOr the same?
01:13:32rashercountrymonkey: You have got to stop using notepad
01:14:45rashercountrymonkey: 8576 has received attention already by the way. 8577 is so redundant that I don't know where to start, so I'm just going to close that.
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01:17:52saratogaEvilnick_: yeah whats up
01:18:23Evilnick_saratoga: Just updated to a new build with cabbiev2 as the default theme.
01:18:47Evilnick_So I saved my previous settings, i.e. from a build where it wasn't default.
01:18:53Evilnick_Then deleted the .rockbox folder
01:20:00Evilnick_When I tried to load my config file, the background disappeared and the font turned into grey boxes. I'm guessing that since cabbiev2 is now defined as the default that this is expected behaviour?
01:21:10saratogaEvilnick_: no idea
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01:23:07saratogaactually, if you're using a langauge not supported by the default theme you might get the boxes
01:23:32saratogain which case, you should switch to a font with full unicode support
01:23:40Evilnick_It's just english, so that can't be it
01:24:00rasherThe only language I can think of not supported by the default theme would be Hebrew
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01:24:15Evilnick_I'm trying a comparison of the older build's .cfg file and a brand new one to see if there are any obvious naming changes
01:24:16*rasher would love a nimbus-variant of the cabbiev2 theme
01:25:02saratogawell if anyone wants to change cabbie, its all done through #defines in settings_list.c, so its now quite easy to make adjustments
01:25:33saratoga(which everyone making a new port should do for their device once they're added to the build table)
01:26:12amiconngevaerts: I have some rather odd results for you. I tried highspeed on my mini again
01:26:23Evilnick_saratoga: It's probably a fairly small chance of someone doing exactly the same as me anyway that the effort for that probably isn't worth it in th elong run!
01:27:27gevaertsamiconn: what happened ?
01:27:38amiconnWhen connecting it via my hub, it still doesn't work. But when connecting it directly, it does work. The speeds are also "interesting": ~930KB/s write, ~2.1MB/s read
01:28:18rasherI think cabbiev2 looks so much better using the appropriately sized nimbus font (nimbus-12 on e200). Why was sazanami-wossname picked?
01:28:21amiconnBut the hub itself is 100% okay, as it works for all other devices
01:28:39amiconnmd5sum does match, btw
01:29:00*amiconn checks speeds with apple diskmode
01:30:30jhMikeSthings also are "interesting" when disconnecting a device with "Safely Remove Hardware" vs. just unplugging it. RB doesn't detect the first very well and showing of the USB screen is rather dodgey even though a connection is made.
01:31:19*amiconn wouldn't notice that himself
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01:32:03gevaertsCurrently showing the USB screen _is_ dodgey. It basically needs to be enumerated before a certain timeout has elapsed. This gets influenced by connection speed, other devices on the bus, hubs,... The rework I'm doing fixes that.
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01:32:18*jhMikeS just tries everything to test things
01:33:06gevaertsI'm not sure what safely remove hardware does exactly. I'll try to find out next week
01:33:22amiconnOF diskmode speed: ~1.6MB/s write, ~2.1MB/s read
01:33:53amiconnI.e. read speed is practically identical, but for writing, rockbox is significantly slower. And there's this hub problem
01:34:00gevaertsDo you have test_disk speed results as well ?
01:34:39gevaertsThe hub problem is probably related to the errors I see in my dmesg output. I want to check them out at work next week with a real usb tracer
01:35:25gevaertsIt's basically impossible to debug usb problems that are not just missing protocol bits using only software
01:35:49*amiconn is running test_disk speed tests @80MHz
01:42:46amiconnMeh, when did dircache get enabled on this? /me doesn't want it on mini
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01:45:21feddoes anyone here know why the sansapatcher does not work with the new sansa player (I have an e280)
01:47:38linuxstbIs it a "v2" e280?
01:48:24gevaertsamiconn: it seems you get about the same usb vs test_disk speed difference as I do on my c250
01:48:33fedI don't know. My old one failed, so I brought it in, and gave me a new one.
01:48:52linuxstbfed: What's the version number of the original firmware?
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01:49:29fedThe firmware is v03.01.11A
01:49:46linuxstbThen I'm sorry to say that's a "v2" and won't work with Rockbox (it's completely different hardware)
01:50:16fedYou are joking, I hope...
01:50:21*linuxstb hands fed a stick to beat Sandisk with
01:50:41fedCan I install the old firmware?
01:50:53krazykitno, the v2 is completely different hardware.
01:51:09fedDo you know if anyone is working on a new port?
01:51:34krazykityou could check the New Ports forum; there is a thread there, but no unsigned code has been run yet.
01:51:53krazykiter, no custom code, i mean.
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01:52:09fedI am totally devastated!
01:52:26*Febs thinks fed needs a different nick.
01:52:49jhMikeSfed: it's an opportunity to start porting ;)
01:54:11feda whole new level
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01:57:43fedwell, thanks for the info.
01:57:48fedUntil next...
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02:42:41garthexHi, I'm setting up the .voice file using Rockbox Utility 1.0.4 and I'm trying to find the most natural sounding TTS engine and voice, any suggestions?
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10:00:00wisp_shhi everybody
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10:00:42wisp_shcan somebody help me? i have few questions about rockbox firmware
10:00:50linuxstbJust ask...
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10:02:23wisp_shdo you know is it real to use ipod as simple flash player after patching with rockbox?
10:02:48wisp_shiam sorry about my english )
10:03:06linuxstbWhat do you mean by "flash player"?
10:03:52wisp_shi mean is it possible to upload music on ipod not using itunes
10:04:19wisp_shthank you
10:04:28wisp_shand one more moment
10:04:35linuxstbRockbox doesn't need any software on your PC - it just appears as an external hard drive, and will find any music you copy to it.
10:04:45wisp_shdid anybody install rockbox in linux?
10:05:14wisp_shiam not sure that all will be clear with it
10:05:17linuxstbYes, lots of us use Rockbox with Linux
10:05:28wisp_shhow i can do it? via wine?
10:05:41wisp_shor.. i dont know )
10:05:57linuxstbNo need for Wine - the installation tools run in linux natively.
10:06:14linuxstbWhich ipod do you have?
10:06:14wisp_shreally? :) nice
10:06:21wisp_sh30 Gb Video
10:07:54wisp_shhm.. look
10:08:26wisp_shin manual that Ive find said that I need to exec Ipodpatcher.exe
10:08:35wisp_shbut there is no such file
10:08:46wisp_shand anyway iam in linux now
10:09:12wisp_shand I dont have windows on my pc )
10:09:38wisp_shplease explain how to install rockbox in linux
10:09:43advcomp2019there is a linux steps there
10:09:50n1sipodpatcher is available as a linux binary
10:10:20n1sscroll down to "Bootloader installation from Linux"
10:10:41wisp_shthanks a lot
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10:13:29wisp_shIve downloaded binary file.. it should have .bin extension yes?
10:14:47n1sit's just called "ipodpatcher" no extension
10:16:40wisp_shthis patch included just bootloader in it?
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10:18:59wisp_shI dont understand one moment
10:19:07wisp_shwhat I need to do first
10:19:13wisp_shinstall this patch
10:19:25wisp_shor install rockbox?
10:19:37wisp_shor this is the same? :)
10:19:47bluebrotheryou can't "install" a patch.
10:20:11bluebrotherpatches (or better, diffs) get applied.
10:20:18LearAnyone else getting a message about "cannot stat rockbox/icons/viewers.bmp" when making a zip?
10:20:52n1samiconn: deleted that file yesterday
10:20:57bluebrotherBagder: just got an idea ... how about adding a link to rbutil on the download page?
10:21:19wisp_sh<bluebrother> sorry, english is not my native language )
10:21:25bluebrotherand diffs go against the source, not the binary.
10:22:09Learn1s: And now there's some WPS that incorrectly references it?
10:22:28bluebrotherwisp_sh: me neither. I just wanted to make clear that there is a substantial difference between the so-called "patches" (I prefer calling them "diffs", because that's what they are) and binary patches (like MS distributes them)
10:22:52bluebrotherin order to apply a patch you need to be able to compile.
10:23:01n1sLear: I have no idea how all that works but probably something like that
10:24:53wisp_shbluebrother ok ) Ive applied this patch. what is the next step? )
10:25:27bluebrotherwell, build the sources. Then you'll get a zip file which you can extract to the player as you do for the official builds.
10:25:44bluebrotherWPSLIST:39 references that file
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10:28:05wisp_shbluebrother just copy zip file to ipod? i dont understand a little sorry
10:28:25amiconnLear: Looks like I forgot to change a line in WPSLIST...
10:28:30bluebrotherthe manual tells you how to do a manual install. You need to extract the zip to the root of your player
10:28:53wisp_shive missed this line in manual
10:28:57bluebrotheror are we talking about different things? What are you trying to achieve?
10:29:06wisp_shtoo much english today for me )
10:30:14bluebrotherif you want to install an official build you can simply use Rockbox Utility. If you want to add patches it's a lot more complicated.
10:31:00wisp_shi want to install rockbox
10:31:01amiconnLear, n1s: The viewers.bmp in icons/ was wrong because it was used unconditionally for both colour and non-colour targets
10:31:04wisp_shnothing else
10:31:12bluebrotherdang. Ok, in that case I got you wrong.
10:31:27bluebrothersorry for the confusion.
10:31:46bluebrotherwell, just try Rockbox Utility −−
10:31:55amiconnThe correct one is generated from apps/plugins/bitmaps/viewer_defaults/viewers.<format>.bmp, and will always be included
10:32:32amiconnBut because of this, the themes wanting the default must no longer reference it explicitly, but set it to empty instead
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10:33:05amiconnI overlooked one wps in WPSLIST (the first one, because of the load of comments surrounding that line)
10:33:42amiconnfixed now
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10:34:59*amiconn wonders why the 'make zip' output isn't part of the build server logs
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10:38:40wisp_shhow i can boot the original firmware? what keys i need to press?
10:38:53n1sYay, the weird resube bugs seem to be fixed for me now :)
10:38:56bluebrotherflip the hold switch during boot
10:39:12bluebrotherthe manual holds this and a lot of other helpful things ;-)
10:39:32wisp_shbluebrother thanks :)
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10:48:28wisp_shand how i can reboot manully from original firmware? :)
10:48:59bluebrotherpress and hold Menu + Select (assuming you're using a recent ipod)
10:49:46wisp_shrockbox installed :)
10:49:55wisp_shthank you everybody
10:50:02wisp_shfor your help
10:50:11bluebrotheroh, and one question: have you used the "Complete Install" from Rockbox Utility?
10:50:31wisp_shIve installed it manually
10:50:42bluebrotherI want to figure out if that option still has issues or it's fixed.
10:50:58bluebrotherok. You might want to install some themes though ;-)
10:52:27n1sbluebrother: unrelated rbutil question: does the bootloader installation for iaudios tell the user that he has to connect the charger for the flashing to work?
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10:53:33bluebrothern1s: from looking at the source, yes.
10:53:55bluebrotherit doesn't explicitly says that the charger is necessary. Might be a good addition
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11:29:18wisp_shcan anyone explain
11:29:44wisp_shin which folder upload music with installed rockbox?
11:31:17desowinanywhere on player
11:31:36desowinand then you browse to that directory on player
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11:32:04Horschtthe .rockbox folder is not recommended, though
11:32:25wisp_shthank you :)
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13:06:07pixelmaLear: thanks for the fix, my "broken" folders (as described in FS #8520) work again now :)
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13:12:56crazy_busis there anyway to press space in the vkeyboard on the spectrum emulator. I'm trying to load a game but I can't get past the initial game screen
13:13:59desowinfrom my experience loading spectum tapes takes a lot of time
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13:14:43desowinbut once you have save state after loading it works nicely :-)
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13:17:21gevaertsSo it's just like the real one
13:17:23crazy_busthe tape loads. But it doesn't progress past the copyright notice. I think it's waiting for something
13:17:33Buscheltwo question: 1. is the CPU boosted while reading from HDD? 2. what is the chunk size when buffering from HDD?
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13:19:19gevaertsBuschel: the ata driver itself doesn't boost
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13:23:14Buscheli wonder if boosting while HDD-read could reduce the uptime of the disc for buffering. maybe another way to save some power...
13:23:40n1sAFAIK the buffering boosts, dunno where though...
13:23:42Nico_Ppixelma: awesome news :)
13:23:55n1smaybe Nico_P knows :)
13:24:01Learplayback.c does it, I think, maybe buffering.c too.
13:24:30Nico_Pbuffering.c does boostin buffer_handle
13:24:45gevaertsFor the usb stack, at least for sd-card, boosting significantly increases performance
13:27:59BuschelNico_P: ok. and 2nd question: the "standard" chunksize for buffering is BUFFERING_DEFAULT_FILECHUNK (=16KB)?
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13:30:37Nico_PBuschel: have you noticed improvement with Lear's commit? (and also jhMikeS' on Friday)
13:31:17Nico_Pspecifically, r16392 and r16367
13:31:34BuschelI did not measure yet. Just had some thoughts about this... I'll check.
13:34:58Nico_Pthanks :)
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13:44:20fyrestormjust tried newest build: doesnt seem to bsod vista now
13:45:09fyrestormwait nevermind.
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14:02:33amiconnBah, nasty resume problems :(
14:03:19amiconnIn a flac album, I played just a part of the first track. When resuming later, that track started from the beginning instead of the correct resume problem
14:03:38n1samiconn: are you up to date?
14:03:40Nico_Pamiconn: latest SVN?
14:03:57amiconnAnd when track 1 ended, it continued playing track 3, not track 2 as it should
14:04:55Nico_Pand why can't I ever see those issues? :(
14:05:22n1sr16392 fixed my problems...
14:05:35*Nico_P has to go... bbs
14:06:25amiconnI didn't notice those issues with mp3, but the majority of albums on my H180 is flac
14:06:51*n1s tries flac
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14:08:34n1syep, here too, resuming sometimes start from the beginning of the track and sometimes skips 2 tracks ahead...
14:08:45n1swith flac, vorbis works fine now...
14:09:04n1son h320
14:15:17n1swow, the tuner in the beast supports RDS, now if there were anything worth listening to on the radio...
14:19:39LearNo surprise flac doesn't work, it tries to read stuff before taginfo_ready is set. I'll fix.
14:20:41Lear(Not that I could see the problem myself, but that was on a flash target and no album art present...)
14:21:12*amiconn uses no album art
14:21:27*Lear knew that
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14:24:24markunn1s: "the beast" == Gigabeat S?
14:25:20markundo you have one?
14:25:45n1syes, i got one through "scorce super shipping service" :)
14:26:41markunn1s: do you plan on doing some low level stuff for it?
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14:27:05azdrubalCould someone help me with rbutil for windows?
14:27:06Buschelmy first tests with the new USB-stack (USE_ROCKBOX_USB, USE_HIGH_SPEED) weren't that promising. using w2k, hub and 5.5G
14:27:10azdrubalIt won't detect my sansa
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14:27:21n1smarkun: I am interested but currently most of what needs to be done is way over my head
14:27:50azdrubalI need help... it won't detect my sansa
14:27:54markunI think one of the important things is to get USB working
14:28:00rasherLear: that ls command should indeed use -n rather than -l
14:28:01azdrubalI have the sansa plugged in hard drive mode
14:28:06azdrubalI can broase the filesystem on it
14:28:29azdrubalbut rbutil can't detect anything
14:29:22azdrubalcould someone help me pretty please?
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14:30:01rasherazdrubal: try pointing it at it manually by selecting the drive
14:30:07azdrubalI did
14:30:16azdrubalI typed in f:\ and selected c200
14:30:23LearHm, mpc and ape are likely to have resume problems too. Someone should probably go through the codecs and make sure they all have the proper "wait for taginfo_ready" loop (e.g., as in vorbis.c).
14:30:34markunI wonder what USB 0v8, 2v0 and 4v4 are:
14:31:12markunaliask put it there, so I guess he will know
14:31:35azdrubalAnd yes I have a V1
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14:32:25rasherasdrubal: What happens when you try to install the bootloader?
14:32:36asdrubalsansa c200 not detected
14:32:40asdrubalinstalling rockbox seemed to work
14:32:47asdruballets see if it boots up
14:32:55rasherTry downloading sansapatcher and running it manually
14:33:07rasherWhich OS are you using?
14:33:13asdrubalis the bootloader updates constantly like rockbox is?
14:33:36rasherNo. Bootloader updates are very rare
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14:36:00kikkoman``good morning :)
14:36:44kikkoman``i just installed rockbox last night, and i plugged my ipod into the computer and it bluescreens...
14:36:55kikkoman``80gig hdd. windows XP x64
14:37:05kikkoman``er, 80gig ipod :p
14:37:57n1sdoes it work if you manually restart in the original firmware?
14:39:28gevaertsThat sounds like the problem fyrestorm reported earlier. Can you try the build from 2008-02-22 ?
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14:41:07asdrubalis there a "sync" equivalent in windows?
14:42:32n1sLear: fix works for me :)
14:42:34kikkoman``ooo i think i found a fix
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14:43:29kikkoman``i actually did two things.. i was using anapod manager before i put rockbox on here... so i ended that program
14:43:34asdrubalyay I got it workin
14:43:42kikkoman``then i put the ipod into.. "disk mode"
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14:44:06kikkoman``i'll take it out of diskmode and try again, then we'll know which one fixed it
14:46:39fyrestormkikkoman``: 2008-02-22 is the last build that doesnt BSOD me
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14:47:00fyrestormyeah he bluescreened.
14:49:49*gevaerts goes to try and reproduce this on a sansa and Windows XP 32
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14:52:49kikkoman``ok just a follow up... running the ipod in "disk mode" before i plugged it in fixed it
14:53:39asdrubalwhat's the current build status for USB in rockbox mode for sansa?
14:53:47asdrubalcan I try it?
14:54:08gevaertskikkoman``: that's expected, and probably the easiest workaround for now
14:54:14asdrubalDoh it rebooted the sansa
14:54:29fyrestormyeah thats how i have to do it too
14:54:45fyrestormalso, i get random restarts and total battery drains playing SPC files
14:54:46rasherasdrubal: Yeah, that happened to me last night as well (plain Rockbox build)
14:55:13gevaertsasdrubal: USB mass storage is not enabled in the official build yet. I expect to start offering unofficial builds in a few days
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14:56:12asdrubalgevaerts, I read somewhere that there is power drain after plugging in USB ?
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14:57:23gevaertsasdrubal: there shouldn't be. It should charge. Do you remember where you read it ?
14:57:38asdrubalirc maybe
14:59:44kikkoman``well thanks guys. really happy with rockbox. i've suggested it to people for so long, but never tried it till yesterday.. the games are going to keep me awake at night now
15:00:29gevaertskikkoman``: have fun. The usb BSOD problem should be solved in a few days
15:00:46kikkoman``i'll check back in then. would it be on the main news page?
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15:01:36kikkoman``the work around isn't hard.. just knowing me i'll forgot a lot and just plug it in
15:01:56Buschelgevearts: I reported the power drain after one-time USB-plugging. that was even before your submits into svn
15:02:03gevaertsIs there anyone around with an ipod 5G who can do his/her own builds, can bisect, and can reproduce the BSOD problem ?
15:02:16gevaertsBuschel: ok. I won't worry too much about it then
15:02:42pixelmaBuschel: hasn't that been fixed by barrywardell a bit later?
15:03:19Buschelgevaerts: but maybe you've got any idea? maybe connected to the register configuration of some USB-registers? not the DEV_EN registers, but some USB-controller's?
15:04:15Buschelpixelma: no, barry's fix did solve excessive draining, but not the still remaining ~1.7mA
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15:06:42gevaertsBuschel: I'll go through the USB controller registers in the imx31 spec and see if I find something interesting
15:09:09amiconngevaerts: Am I right in thinking that windows is wrong in relying on the USB version to determine possible speed?
15:09:23amiconnAfaik USB2.0 does not *demand* highspeed support
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15:10:54rashergevaerts: your latest commit also enabled logf for that file
15:11:34fyrestormgevaerts: i can make my own builds btut i dont know how to bisect :p
15:13:20Horschtfyrestorm, you get a revision that has the issue, and one that doesn't
15:13:41Horschtthen you make a build that's right in between those 2 revision
15:13:56fyrestormall i know is the revision from 20080222 works
15:14:09gevaertsamiconn: true, but this is the easiest way to do it, and I know it works. The official way would be to stall the request for a device qualifier descriptor, but that would require lots of testing to make sure it doesn't break anything. As this is a temporary measure (USE_HIGH_SPEED will go once high-speed works reliably), I think this is the best way.
15:14:33gevaertsfyrestorm: can you checkout from svn ?
15:14:43HorschtRevision is best named in SVN revision numbers fyrestorm
15:14:45fyrestormim really new to building things
15:14:50fyrestormso i dont understand alot
15:16:23fyrestormif someone could walk me through what to do, id be happy to test
15:17:24gevaertsfyrestorm: I'll make some builds for you to test.
15:17:34fyrestormwill do then
15:19:35gevaertsfyrestorm: just to check that I remember everything correctly : official builds up to and including 20080222 work, and starting from 20080223 they don't ?
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15:26:53gevaertsfyrestorm: now building... You'll get 9 builds. Once I uploaded them, the way to do this is to try the first to check if it's ok, then try the last to check if it fails. If not, there's something fishy going on as they should be equivalent to 20080222 and 20080223.
15:27:09fyrestormill go in order
15:27:57gevaertsfyrestorm: Then try the one halfway. If that works, try one halfway that one and the last, else halfway that one and the first, and so on... Of course, with only nine builds, you can start at the first and go up until it fails
15:28:36fyrestormsure thing. just zip them in order and ill get to it
15:29:19rasherfyrestorm: They idea is not to do them in order, but rather do the bare minimum needed to circle in on which one broke
15:29:28fyrestormoh ok
15:29:45rasherOf course, this is less important when there are only 9
15:30:50gevaertsOf course, since the bug involves a BSOD, failing tests can take some time...
15:30:59fyrestormive got a spare sysyem
15:32:54*gevaerts should really install a rockbox build environment on his core duo system
15:33:29fyrestormive got the vmware package
15:33:46fyrestormbut im still really new XD
15:34:23gevaertsI'm doing development on my laptop, but I have a server here that's much faster. It doesn't really matter for one build, but for nine ...
15:34:32fyrestormyeah heh
15:35:58gevaertsNow uploading.
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15:40:33gevaertsfyrestorm: builds are at gevaerts/testbuilds/">
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15:41:27Benjamin_Lis there help needed for high speed usb tests on the sansa e series? I could do whatever you need ^^
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15:42:01fyrestormgevaerts: dling now
15:42:56fyrestormgonna work backwards from the middle
15:43:42rasherfyrestorm: well if the middle works, then you'd better work forwards
15:43:51fyrestormi know
15:46:52gevaertsBenjamin_L: there seems to be a bug in the flash driver on the sansas (at least the c) that makes writing from high-speed usb unreliable. Can you make a build with USE_ROCKBOX_USB and USE_HIGH_SPEED defined, and try writing a large file (preferably to the SD card, since that's a lot safer), then unmount, remount, read it back and verify if the files are identical.
15:47:24Benjamin_Lok then first i need to get it building, never built rockbox before
15:47:50Benjamin_Land i don't have a microsd card ^^
15:48:45gevaertsBenjamin_L: I could provide test builds, but using the internal flash to identify a write error will probably lead to having to reinstall everything. Better leave that to someone who has an sd card...
15:49:01*rasher is on it
15:49:56*desowin tests if data were saved successfully by puting sd card in card reader :)
15:50:29gevaertsdesowin: reading seems to be reliable...
15:51:50desowinyou mean sansa->pc reliable, otherwise not?
15:53:07desowinI write to card by sansa and read it in reader
15:54:02rashergevaerts: does sd vs sdhc matter?
15:55:41gevaertsrasher: no idea. That would be useful to know as well
15:56:10rasherI'll try both. Trying SD now, 420MB file
15:56:13gevaertsdesowin: that seems to be the case, yes. At least on my c250
15:57:26gevaertsAnd by takig out a udelay() that the comments explicitly say is needed to make it work, makes it work here...
15:57:43*rasher got a reset
15:58:11rasherJust one though
15:58:17rasherDone in about 2-3 minutes
15:58:40gevaertsrasher: I see lots of resets (and other errors) at high speed, especially on reading but they don't seem to slow it down much.
15:59:42fyrestorm16374 is the problem build
16:00:16Horschtthe first time it appeared?
16:00:18desowinregarding that comment I could only see that it was added here in early state and became obsolete... but I haven't checked svn blame though
16:01:14rashergevaerts: md5sum matches for 420MB filed copied from PC->microSD card on an e200
16:02:42rasherTrying a hc card now
16:04:50gevaertsfyrestorm: So everything up to 16372 works ? I'll try to find out why 16374 doesn't. Thanks for testing
16:04:57fyrestormand yes
16:05:31rasher420MB copied in 2:25 :)
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16:06:34*gevaerts likes high speed in general
16:06:52rashermd5sum doesn't match though...
16:07:09rasherThis was with sdhc - doesn't have to mean that's the problem, of course
16:07:27rasherAnd I'm using a cardreader, so the problem happened when writing
16:08:33gevaertsIt might mean that the problem is harder to reproduce on e200.
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16:14:48*gevaerts dislikes the svn habit to add 'r' in front of every revision number in its output, and then rejecting revision numbers starting with 'r' on input
16:20:30Benjamin_Ldoes anyone use ubuntu or debian and knows where to get this arm-elf-gcc?
16:20:38rasherBenjamin_L: Compile it
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16:22:09gevaertsBenjamin_L: the rockbox source has a script tools/ that builds arm-elf-gcc (and other needed tools)
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16:23:02*gevaerts really doesn't see how 16374 can make windows crash
16:23:23rashergevaerts: do you want me to do more testing?
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16:24:13billeniumHey rockboxers!
16:24:16kikkoman``Benjamin_L, i do... did you try sudo apt-get install arm-elf-gcc?
16:24:55rasherkikkoman``: That won't work. Debian does not ship gcc crosscompilers
16:24:56kikkoman``nevermind. gevaerts answered better
16:25:13kushal_oneHello, I think I have bricked my Sandisk Sansa c250. The computer I use with my RockBox is a macbook with Mac OS X 10.4. I wanted to copy all files in the sansa disk to a place in the hard disk but somehow I ended up deleting everything. I did not realize what I had done until it was too late. Now when I turn the device on, it does not have anything in the display but only the backlight to the navigation buttons. Can I reverse this process? Pleasehel
16:25:13kushal_onep ...I think the problem is that the part of the storage on the sandisk sansa c250 that I can modify is blank. I accidentally deleted it.
16:25:13kushal_oneRecovery mode does not work, neither does the Volume up + right navigation mode. A friend suggested that the device might be stuck in some sort of manufacturer mode. Please help me. How can I unbrick this player?
16:25:15kushal_one I think the problem is that the part of the storage on the sandisk sansa c250 that I can modify is blank. I accidentally deleted it.
16:25:18kushal_one Recovery mode does not work, neither does the Volume up + right navigation mode.
16:25:20kushal_one A friend suggested that the device might be stuck in some sort of manufacturer mode. Please help me. How can I unbrick this player?
16:25:24kikkoman``i just guessed, i ahve no idea what arm-elf-gcc is
16:25:45gevaertsrasher: it seems that the sd driver behaves slightly differently on e200 than on c200, but I think more testing can reveal only what numbers work best _most of the time_, which IMHO isn't good enough. Someone needs to find out how to fix this properly (preferably someone who knows this driver)
16:26:01kushal_oneThe player does not even show up on my macbook (10.4.11). It shows the notification bubble on a Windows machine but it still does not work.
16:26:02kushal_oneBootloader mod did not work on my mac.
16:26:02kushal_oneLet me add some detail if they help. Just before the player stopped working, I think I ended up deleting everything in the player when I wanted to back up the files. I remember that the player worked even after this but it stopped working once I turned it off and back on.
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16:26:02kushal_oneIs there anything I can do?
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16:27:01rasherkushal_one: you need to use e200tool to fix your sansa which is indeed stuck in manufacturer mode
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16:28:04Benjamin_Lgevaerts: thanks, running it right now
16:33:50rashergevaerts: so your theory is that it isn't an USB problem, but a ata driver problem?
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16:36:03gevaertsrasher: yes. Everything points to that. reading back from flash what hasjust been written from the UMS driver shows a difference, the error is 32-byte aligned somehow (which is the SD chunk size), the error has a size of two bytes (SD works with words), removing the udelay() seems to fix it, and it doesn't seem to be reproducible on disk targets
16:40:11rasherGood thing the sansas are not used much for recording, or we'd have been lynched by now
16:40:17gevaertsBuschel: I found two possible register settings that might influence power consumption. Can you test them, or should I ask someone else (I can't really do it myself, as I can't realistically do three full battery tests now)
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16:41:53gevaertsrasher: for some reason I can't reproduce it without USB. test_disk doesn't see it and copying a large file within rockbox doesn't trigger it either, so USB probably does something (timing, RAM access, ...) that makes it more likely
16:41:54Buschelgevaerts: I had some strange issues with the USB-stack. In HIGH_SPEED mode it was recognized by win2k, but it took minutes until the driver letter was assigned. Then there was no access possible to the device. When using FULL_SPEED everything seem to work fine until I started to copy a 200MB-file to my iPod: The multicard reader attached to the same hub was dis- and reconnected several dozen times... Is this known?
16:43:06Horschtcould the ipod simply drain too much energy, leaving the hub with not enough power to keep the card reader "alice"?
16:43:14Horscht(wild guess)
16:43:23Horschtbased on nothing
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16:45:12gevaertsBuschel: the first one is known. I hadn't heard about the second problem yet. I'm starting to suspect that there is a signal quality issue somewhere. Is it possible that somehow the usb controller needs a higher voltage to work properly ?
16:45:22*gevaerts assumes that alice is alive
16:46:18gevaertsHorscht: if it were a power drain issue, I think the problems would also occur without a busy transfer
16:47:10Hodapphmm... if my iPod 3G is plugged into a dock with Firewire just providing power from an AC adapter, it turns off periodically (which is normal) and then immediately starts back up (which I don't think is normal{
16:49:26kushal_onerasher, how does the e200tool work?
16:52:16rasherkushal_one: I don't know much about it -
16:52:43kushal_onethanks, rasher
16:53:36Buschelgevaerts: but wouldn't the iPod disconnect, if there would be an power issue with the USB-controller? But the iPod's connection seemed stable, only the other device disconnected...
16:54:14Buschelgevaerts: and btw, what registers did you find that may influence power consumption?
16:54:33kushal_onesince, Tiger is Unix-like just like Linux, the e200tool should work on it. but I don't want to do anything even more stupid than I have already done
16:57:21gevaertsBuschel: the port control register (REG_PORTSC1) has a bit to stop the PHY clock, which could be enabled by setting "REG_PORTSC1 |= PORTSCX_PHY_LOW_POWER_SPD;" at the end of usb_drv_exit() in usb-drv-pp502x.c, or the entire controller could be reset with "REG_USBCMD |= USBCMD_CTRL_RESET;" at the same place. Both need to be called after the REG_USBCMD &= ~USBCMD_RUN line. I think the first is more likely to help, the second one is more of a guess
16:57:34krazykitkushal_one, there's a pre-built e200tool for osx in a recent mailing list post, should you need it.
16:58:18Buschelgevaerts: what is the configuration of REG_PORTSC1 before attaching USB the first time?
16:58:32gevaertsBuschel: and as far as electrical problems are concerned, USB behaviour is pretty much unpredictable if you have them
16:58:36kushal_oneyes, that would be great, krazykit. could you link me? A link to the instructions in simple english would be great too
17:00:34krazykitkushal_one, flip through this thread. it has a link for e200tool-mac and some clarifications of instructions, should you need them:
17:01:32gevaertsBuschel: I don't know. I'll test and find out
17:02:47kushal_oneIf Daniel is correct, my c250 is not bricked ... a ray of hope ...
17:03:49gevaertskushal_one: As far as we know, it's impossible to really brick a c250 without physically damaging it.
17:04:01rasherThere's nothing indicating it is. You've merely rendered it unable to get past manufacturer mode
17:04:53Buschelgevaerts: and what about REG_USBMODE? there is some USBMODE_CTRL_MODE_IDLE defined for this register?
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17:05:54kushal_oneI am flipping through the thread and I will ask questions here if i find something too hard for me. thank you very much. i feel lighter already
17:05:55Nico_Pamiconn: have you tried Lear's FLAC fix?
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17:06:52gevaertsBuschel: yes. you could try that one as well.
17:08:54kushal_onefound it at"> now all I need are the instructions to work it
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17:09:13gevaertsBuschel: The spec says that you have to reset it before you change USB_MODE.
17:09:19JamPSiOk, now my sansa reboots ok when I plug the cable :)
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17:11:31krazykitkushal_one, those instructions are on the SansaE200Unbrick page. you need to go through manufacture mode then into recovery mode.
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17:15:07gevaertslinuxstb: can you see anything about r16374 that could explain a windows BSOD when plugging in an ipod ?
17:15:18kushal_onewhy does quicktime want to open the binary file? Do I need to rename the extension or something?
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17:16:59krazykitkushal_one, you should be running it from Terminal
17:17:59kushal_onehow? I have no idea, I used google desktop to open terminal and I came up with the command prompt. please help me .
17:18:23krazykitthis is explained in the mailing list thread i linked to you.
17:18:37kushal_onethe window says terminal - bash - 80 x 24
17:18:55kushal_one* 80x24
17:19:50krazykitdid you download the e200tool file to your desktop? If so, you'll need to "cd Desktop" before you can execute e200tool commands
17:23:27kushal_oneterminal says I am in desktop now. what is next?
17:23:49krazykithave you downloaded the files the wiki page says you need? they're also linked in the mailing list thread.
17:23:56kushal_onenot yet
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17:27:20kushal_oneI cannot find them
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17:29:00Benjamin_Lhow do I view my current PATH on linux?
17:29:28Benjamin_Lbetter how do I add something without removing the currenz
17:29:44kushal_onecould you link me to the download page please?
17:30:01krazykitkushal_one, then you're not looking very hard. please read the mailing list thread i linked you to. I put a link near the end to that download page.
17:30:02rasherBenjamin_L: echo $PATH
17:30:12Benjamin_Lok was too easy :)
17:30:18rasherBenjamin_L: To add to it, export PATH=/path/to/add:$PATH
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17:32:01gevaertsBuschel: Is it possible to set the boost speed to 60MHz ? I'd like to do some experiments...
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17:34:11Buschelgevaerts: replace PLL_CONTROL = 0x8a121403; with PLL_CONTROL = 0x8a120f03; in system-pp502x.c
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17:41:31Buschel_gevaerts: can you check what REG_USBCMD, REG_PORTSC1 and REG_USBMODE are set by default after startup and after attaching USB?
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17:42:16kushal_oneyou mentioned that I need BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom in I am at a loss to find the link to it ... although now I found the instructions at
17:43:22krazykittwo messages in the future
17:43:54gevaertskushal_one: on c250 you'll need pribootLoader.rom instead.
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17:44:16gevaertsBuschel_: working on it.
17:44:57kushal_oneis this the file that i need?
17:45:41rasherI believe it is but don't take my word for it
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17:45:57gevaertskushal_one: no, although you'll need it later. You need for e200tool
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17:46:52krazykitkushal_one, but you'll want the firmware.mi4 file for recovery mode when you get there.
17:47:18kushal_oneI downloaded them both and put them in desktop.
17:48:52kushal_oneI made sure the power on the device is off and the hold is off too.
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17:52:29gevaertsBuschel :
17:53:30kushal_oneSo the command is ./e200tool-mac recover pribootloader.rom , right?
17:53:47gevaertskushal_one: yes
17:54:05kushal_oneI will let you know what happens
17:54:38kushal_oneterminal says "permission denied"
17:54:56kushal_onedo I need to be root or sudo for it to run?
17:55:02krazykitkushal_one, do "chmod +x e200tool-mac" then run it with sudo
17:55:02gevaertskushal_one: run "chmod +x e200tool-mac", and then try again
17:56:36kushal_onesomething happened!
17:56:39kushal_onee200tool v0.2.3-alpha (c) by MrH 2006, 2007
17:56:39kushal_oneSearching for device 0781:0720 ... found!
17:56:39kushal_oneInitializing USB stub (4780 bytes) ... done!
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17:56:39kushal_oneSearching for device 6666:e200 ... 9 found!
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17:56:52kushal_oneingles-Computer-2:~/desktop kripahada$
17:57:10kushal_onethen the display showed a lock icon for some time
17:57:23kushal_onecould you tell me what next?
17:58:03krazykitkushal_one, please don't paste like that again, but that was manufacturing mode. but you need to get into recovery mode
17:58:27gevaertskushal_one: did a drive icon appear ?
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17:58:57kushal_onebut on the player I saw a lock icon before it turned off
17:59:11kushal_oneit turned off by itslef
17:59:16kushal_one* itself
18:01:46gevaertskushal_one: I think you have to switch off the hold at some point. Actually, if it starts in manufacturing mode, you probably don't need to turn on hold in the first plave
18:02:44kushal_oneholding the record button does dot set it to recovery mode
18:03:20kushal_oneswitch off the hold?
18:03:47gevaertskushal_one: If you just start it, does it still only light up the blue leds ? If so, start it without any buttons pressed, plug it in, and run e200tool. e200tool should put it in recovery mode.
18:04:19kushal_onegevaerts, it is off now
18:04:43kushal_onedo I need to switch the hold switch on or off?
18:05:00gevaertskushal_one: turn it on with the hold switch off
18:06:30gevaertsIf it just shows the blue button backlight, plug it in and run e200tool like before.
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18:11:22gevaertskushal_one: then it should be in recovery mode
18:11:59kushal_oneno it is just the blue ring
18:12:16gevaertskushal_one: run e200tool
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18:16:09gevaertskushal_one: did anything happen ?
18:16:50kushal_onesame thing happened. the sandisk logo came up, the lock icon came up, and then it turned off
18:17:13gevaertskushal_one: turn hold _off_
18:17:56kushal_oneI turned hold off after the display turned off
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18:18:49gevaertskushal_one: turn the sansa on without hold, if the blue ring show plug it in, and then run e200tool. That should put you nin recovery mode.
18:19:08gevaertsIf it doesn't, that means you're not following the instructions somehow
18:19:24kushal_oneshould I turn hold off before I execute ./e200tool-mac recover pribootloader.rom
18:19:37gevaertskushal_one: yes
18:19:43kushal_oneoo sorry
18:20:56kushal_onelet me try again
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18:23:22kushal_oneyes some command appeared
18:23:38gevaertskushal_one: do you get a disk icon ?
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18:23:58kushal_oneon the desktop? no, I did not
18:24:21gevaertskushal_one: so does anything appear on the sansa screen ?
18:24:31kushal_oneit says
18:24:37kushal_oneLoad main image fai
18:24:52kushal_oneSwitch to Rovery
18:25:12kushal_oneMini-B->Device Mode
18:25:21kushal_oneUSB2.0 MSD
18:25:37kushal_oneLUN0 locked
18:25:41gevaertskushal_one: It should show a disk icon then.
18:26:09kushal_onethere is not that icon
18:26:22gevaertskushal_one: I don't have a mac, so I'm not sure how that part works, but at least the sansa is behaving as it should.
18:26:41kushal_onenow should I run recovery mode/
18:27:14kushal_oneShould I run recovery mode?
18:27:16gevaertskushal_one: it is in recovery mode.
18:27:38kushal_onewhen should I press the record button?
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18:28:49gevaertskushal_one: that's only needed to start recovery mode without e200tool
18:28:50barrywardellkushal_one, gevaerts: sometimes recovery mode doesn't work on mac
18:29:15barrywardellit works for me now on leopard, but didn't in the past on tiger
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18:30:58kushal_oneI have tiger 10.4.11
18:31:45asdrubalmy main flash disk on my sansa c200 is constantly getting corrupted
18:32:24kushal_oneWhat should I do next?
18:32:30gevaertsasdrubal: do you unmount it properly before unplugging ?
18:32:42barrywardellkushal_one: In that case you might be better to try using e200tool on either linux or osx leopard
18:32:49asdrubalgevaerts, yeah
18:33:10kushal_oneLeopard? hmm ...
18:33:14asdrubalgevaerts, I don't think it likes having less than 100MB free
18:33:14barrywardellkushal_one: if you have access to either. one option for linux would be to use something like knoppix
18:33:32kushal_onedoes it run on a macbook?
18:33:50gevaertsasdrubal: do you use the database or something else that would write data while running rockbox ?
18:33:51kushal_onelive version would be better
18:34:35rashergevaerts, asdrubal: I didn't have much free space when I got corruption earlier on my sdhc card
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18:35:22barrywardellkushal_one: yes, I think knoppix or ubuntu live should run on a macbook. not 100% sure though
18:35:54kushal_onelet me google it
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18:36:04gevaertsrasher, asdrubal: that would point to a bug in the fat driver. I'll let someone else handle that
18:36:05*barrywardell has to reboot. brb
18:36:08crzyboysterWhat does everyone think of allowing the user to define the background color of the splashscreen? And setting a default?
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18:36:36rashercrzyboyster: not reasonable. Would mean that the disk would have to be ready before the splash can be shown
18:37:03crzyboysterJust changing the background color. Isn't the current blue defined somewhere?
18:37:26crzyboysterOK, cut the idea of letting the user define it. What if we set up a new default for it?
18:37:36asdrubalI want a goatse splash screen. HEH
18:37:43gevaertscrzyboyster: what's wrong with the current one ?
18:37:46rashercrzyboyster: You'd still have to store and retrieve the user's desiered background color, which means loading from disk.
18:38:36crzyboysterPeople started talking about it at and what about not letting the user define it, but to just make it "transparent"?
18:38:47crzyboyster(Like in that screenshot)
18:39:38gevaertscrzyboyster: dark backgrounds look very bad on a c200...
18:39:50rashercrzyboyster: that would mean loading the backdrop from disk..
18:40:10rasherThe bootloader cannot be customisable.
18:40:29crzyboysterSigh... never mind. and gevaerts, how does the cabbiev2 theme look overall on the c200?
18:42:18kushal_oneis it a dead end for me for now?
18:42:25gevaertscrzyboyster: If I set my contrast and brightness settings just right, it's reasonable (I don't really like it myself, but that's a matter of taste), although the font is ugly at that size
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18:43:33gevaertskushal_one: I'd say your best bet is to either use a linux live cd, or find someone who runs linux
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18:44:04kushal_onehm ...
18:44:05gevaertskushal_one: or find someone who runs leopard
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18:44:25kushal_onei might have an easier time finding someone who uses leopard
18:44:57kushal_oneDo I need to go through the process from beginning?
18:45:06kushal_oneon a leopard?
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18:45:35krazykityes, but it should be easier now that you have some idea of what to do.
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18:45:59kushal_onethank you very much.
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18:54:20kushal_oneI opened disk utility and I can see 16 MB sansa disk here, but the instructions say I should NOT format it, what should I do? according to the disk utility the partition scheme is "unformatted"
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18:56:12gevaertskushal_one: is there an option to mount it ?
18:57:16kushal_oneno, I can only eject it but not mount it
18:58:14kushal_oneif it helps, the Total Capacity : 16.0 MB (16,777,728 Bytes)
18:58:50rasherYou really should mount it, and I believe you should upload a firmware to it
18:59:15kushal_onethe mi4 file, yes. but it does not show in finder since it is not mounted
18:59:38rasherWhich is why I'm telling you you need to mount it (manually, probably)
18:59:48kushal_oneusing terminal?
19:00:53gevaertskushal_one: does the disk utility show something like "/dev/disk?" somewhere ?
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19:02:00smartmindgood evening
19:02:06smartmindi have a problem with my h320
19:02:29smartmindim not quite sure whether its by rockbox or my iriver
19:02:40smartmindbut i hope someone already heard of something like this:
19:02:57smartmindeverything was fine with the playback time
19:03:05kushal_oneNo, it does not show that. but it identifies it correctly as Name : SanDisk Sansa C200 Media
19:03:06smartmindif i charged it fully it ran for hours
19:03:14smartmindbut then
19:03:18smartmindfrom one day to another
19:03:24smartmind(didnt realy change something..)
19:03:40smartmindthe player is draining energy also when i turn it off
19:03:55smartmindi charge it a 7:00 untill its full
19:04:00smartmindturn it off
19:04:15smartmindturn it on at 15:00 and its nearby empty
19:04:30smartminda day later it even doesnt start
19:04:36barrywardellgevaerts: I've been doing a bit of testing of the USB stuff and have a couple of comments, not sure how much help they will be:
19:04:55smartmindhave you ever heard of something like that? or do you have any suggestions what i could try ..?
19:05:00barrywardell1) H10 appears as drive, e280 as removable storage - could windows treating them differently be a problem?
19:05:00barrywardell2) Windows is a lot more unstable with e280, totally stable with H10
19:05:00barrywardell3) e200 takes about 50% longer to copy file to device
19:05:01DBUGSent KICK barrywardell to server
19:05:01barrywardell4) Copied a 350MB file over and back twice with md5's matching both on e280 and H10
19:05:01barrywardell5) Removing udelay(2) from ata-c200_e200.c makes Windows not show the e200's drive at all
19:05:01***Alert Mode level 1
19:05:01DBUGsent MODE #rockbox +b *!*n=barryw*@194.46.160.*
19:05:01barrywardell6) Not a big deal, but both H10 and e200 appear as "Rockbox Media Player". Maybe they should be different?
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19:06:17rasherThis is why we need more ops around.
19:06:56rasheramiconn: could you unban barrywardell?
19:08:36*midgey chuckles
19:09:46smartmindanyone any suggestions for my problem?
19:09:54smartmindalready found a thread on forum
19:09:57smartmindbut no answers
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19:10:47kushal_onewelcome back, wardellbarry
19:10:49midgeysmartmind: you're battery is probably dying
19:11:01smartmindfrom one day to another?
19:11:10*smartmind needs a medic for his iriver
19:11:14wardellbarryI blame my irc client! I didn't mean to do that
19:11:28gevaertskushal_one: can you do "ls /dev/disk*" ?
19:11:33soapno - logbot has gotten stricter it seems.
19:12:00kushal_onel as in lion?
19:12:03kushal_oneoh ok
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19:12:58kushal_oneI hope I don't get kicked again
19:13:04JdGordonlinuxstb: what needs to be done to your viewports+wps patch to get it commitable? ive got some time today...
19:13:06kushal_onethe result is "/dev/disk0 /dev/disk0s1 /dev/disk0s2 /dev/disk1"
19:13:17kushal_oneyes, I was not kicked!
19:13:34smartmindi still do have guarantee on my iriver
19:13:39smartmindbut i installed rockbox
19:13:52smartmindi should reinstall the original firmware
19:13:57smartmindbefore sending it back
19:14:10gevaertskushal_one: try doing the following : "mkdir /tmp/sansa", then "mount -t msdos /dev/disk1 /tmp/sansa"
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19:15:18soapsmartmind - you should stop using the "Enter" key as a replacement for the space-bar. logbot has an itchy trigger finger, and seems quite willing to not only kick - but also ban those who are incapable of writing single long lines instead of flooding the channel with lots of five word lines,
19:16:09gevaertsbarrywardell: 1) might be worth looking into. You can tweak this near the end of usb_storage.c. 4) and 5) show that c200 and e200 have different sd driver behaviour. 6) I don't have an opinion
19:16:11kushal_onewhen I ran the first command, this appeared in the player "LUN0 locked"
19:16:21krazykitthat's normal.
19:16:24soapBut, yes, to directly answer your question smartmind, you should remove all traces of Rockbox before sending your unit back to iRiver for warranty work, iRiver stands out in my memory above all others for being jerks about suspected Rockbox installs.
19:17:05*Nico_P is about to close FS #8631 as invalid... any objections?
19:17:12kushal_onei am moving to the second command
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19:17:40smartmindoh, didnt know its unappreciatet, im sorry, but could someone answer my question please
19:17:48*smartmind ' s begging
19:17:56gevaertskushal_one: after those, run "df /tmp/sansa", and show us the result (should be one line)
19:18:22kushal_onethe second command needs to be as root
19:18:43rasherNico_P: I'd say invalid as well
19:18:44JdGordonNico_P: go for it
19:18:53bluebrotherNico_P: why not as "later"? If he wants to give that code out that's fine
19:18:55kushal_oneterminal says "you must be running as root to load modules into the kernel
19:18:55kushal_onemount_msdos: msdos filesystem is not available
19:18:55gevaertskushal_one: could be. Try "sudo mount -t msdos /dev/disk1 /tmp/sansa"
19:19:12bluebrotherand maybe we'll get an emulator plugin one day. Then we could use it.
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19:19:38bluebrothershouldn't the filesystem be vfat?
19:19:57midgeyi think the ti-basic code is more suited for a site like rather than our tracker
19:20:00kushal_onethe result was kextload: /System/Library/Extensions/msdosfs.kext loaded successfully
19:20:08rasherbluebrother: The code will still be in the tracker anyway
19:20:23kushal_onemoving to third command
19:20:40rasherBut at this point, I really think the task is "invalid", as it's not useful in any way for current Rockbox
19:20:59rasherBut be nice in the close message :)
19:21:07kushal_oneFilesystem 512-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on
19:21:07kushal_one/dev/disk1 31264 24 31240 0% /private/tmp/sansa
19:21:11gevaerts<bluebrother> shouldn't the filesystem be vfat?
19:21:11gevaerts<bluebrother> shouldn't the filesystem be vfat?
19:21:11bluebrotherrasher: yep, I know. I'm just not sure if it's an invalid task ... otoh, it doesn't tell what he really expects.
19:21:38bluebrothergevaerts: ?
19:21:50gevaertsbluebrother: mouse handling error. Sorry
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19:22:10Nico_Pbluebrother: he seems to be expecting someone to port his code
19:22:11rasherkushal_one: that looks correct
19:22:18bluebrotherah, ok. Was just surprised a bit ;-)
19:22:32gevaertskushal_one: if you are still in Desktop, now "sudo cp firmware.mi4 pribootLoader.rom /tmp/sansa"
19:23:13kushal_onethat did not seem to do anything
19:23:24Nico_PA TI-BASIC interpreter sounds like a nice project, but TI calcs have a shitload of math functions that would need to be written
19:23:34kushal_onedid not even ask for password
19:23:35gevaertskushal_one: now "ls /tmp/sansa". That should show those two files
19:24:15kushal_oneyes you are a genius, here is the result: firmware.mi4 pribootLoader.rom
19:24:49gevaertskushal_one: now "umount /dev/disk1"
19:25:00gevaertskushal_one: or "sudo umount /dev/disk1"
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19:25:39smartmindbtw, is albumart already added to rockbox?
19:25:43kushal_onewhen I did not sudo it said "operation not permitted"
19:25:46Nico_Psmartmind: yes it is
19:26:12kushal_oneit did not show any result but I think it worked
19:26:15gevaertskushal_one: yes. I forgot... After that one, unplug the sansa
19:26:31Munkiehello everyone. will we ever be able to control the video processing chip on the ipod video?
19:26:44kushal_onelike unplug it physically? I don't mean to be annoying just wanted to make sure
19:26:57krazykitMunkie, sure, if someone figures out the hardware. i wouldn't hold your breath, though.
19:26:59Nico_PMunkie: only if someone figures it out. there is no doc available
19:27:02gevaertskushal_one: yes. Unplug the cable.
19:27:11kushal_onethanks ... unplugging ...
19:27:41Munkieoh bugger. cos that will be awsum! would it be able to be used for other functions? or only video processing?
19:28:06kushal_onesomething came up that I could not read and then it said "resetting [some text I could not read]" and then display turned off and I got the blue ring back
19:28:17kushal_oneonly the blue ring
19:28:27kushal_oneWhat should I do next?
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19:29:42_saikohi all
19:29:47_saikoa question
19:30:15gevaertskushal_one: try downloading the header.txt file that's next to the firmware.mi4 and pribootLoader.rom files (same site), and redoing everything, but the cp step has to be "sudo cp firmware.mi4 pribootLoader.rom header.txt /tmp/sansa" instead.
19:30:18_saikoiaudio x5 after upgradig to rockbox ... does it have media library browsing or it's still browsing through local folders ?
19:30:28*gevaerts goes to have dinner now
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19:30:52krazykit_saiko, i think what you want is the database. the manual will have more information.
19:31:23_saikoyes a database that gets created from reading tags
19:32:28_saikoseems it supports both!
19:32:41kushal_onedoes this look correct?
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19:33:06kushal_onewhere do I start?
19:33:23_saikoi started to get interested in x5 since it supports flac and it's NOT using MTP or some propietary access ....
19:33:39_saikobut the problem is ... how to get x5 now :/
19:33:44_saikono production anymore
19:34:40kushal_oneshould I restart with manufacturing mode?
19:34:55krazykit_saiko, ebay may have some, but that's hit-or-miss.
19:35:16_saikokrazykit: what about that announced X7 ?
19:35:24_saikowas that actually 7 ?
19:35:53bluebrotherthat's the usual problem if you want to get a Rockbox capable player ... unfortunately
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19:36:20krazykit_saiko, i don't know, but it certainly isn't supported by rockbox
19:37:10_saikoindeed ...
19:37:58_saikodamn i need some ~60GB player capable of playing flac and that uses database + it's not MTP -.-
19:38:51krazykit_saiko, check out the BuyersGuide page
19:39:09krazykitwiki page, i mean
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19:51:36gevaertskushal_one: plug in the device (the blue ring means it is already in manufacturing mode), and run e200tool as before
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19:52:26kushal_oneok so I will turn hold on, press the middle button, and plug it in, right?
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19:53:42gevaertskushal_one: yes. Then turn hold off, and then run e200tool as before
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19:56:51gevaertskushal_one: That should put the sansa in recovery mode. Once it show something like Mini-B Device Mode, or LUN0 unlocked, type:"sudo mount -t msdos /dev/disk1 /tmp/sansa"
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19:56:55kushal_oneI ran chmod +x e200tool-mac and I am running ./e200tool-mac recover pribootloader.rom
19:58:00kushal_oneit says LUN0 locked
19:58:25gevaertskushal_one: OK. Then the "sudo mount -t msdos /dev/disk1 /tmp/sansa" command
19:58:59billeniumi just installed rockbox (on linux) bootloader and I restarted my iPod and now it says "Use Itunes to restore" in four different langauges including english.
19:58:59gevaertskushal_one: Now "sudo cp firmware.mi4 pribootLoader.rom header.txt /tmp/sansa"
19:59:31kushal_oneok done
19:59:33gevaertskushal_one: Then (maybe not needed, but anyway) : "sudo touch /tmp/sansa/sansa.fmt"
20:00:08gevaertsthen "sudo umount /dev/disk1"
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20:00:30gevaertskushal_one: Does the screen show anything ?
20:00:57kushal_onenothing new
20:01:08kushal_onethe same thing stayed
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20:01:49gevaertskushal_one: Try "hdiutil detach /dev/disk1". I'm not sure if it will work or is needed, but anyway
20:02:14billeniumheh... debian users
20:02:22billenium /ubuntu?
20:02:30kushal_oneresult on console
20:02:31kushal_one"disk1" unmounted.
20:02:31kushal_one"disk1" ejected.
20:02:55gevaertskushal_one: now unplug the cable. It should say things about updating the firmware
20:02:57kushal_oneresult o sandisk screen: LUN0 unlocked LUN0 ejected
20:03:10kushal_oneresult on sandisk screen: LUN0 unlocked LUN0 ejected
20:03:46kushal_oneyes it did
20:03:53krazykitbillenium, there is a manual restore method for linux on the wiki, linked from the ipod wiki page.
20:04:00kushal_onebut it is back to the blue ring
20:04:17kushal_onewhat should I do next?
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20:05:25gevaertskushal_one: I think it will need stronger measures. I think I know how to solve this (I've had a similar problem myself), but it will require a special tool. I can compile it for linux, but not for macos.
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20:06:05JdGordongevaerts: you need access to an osx box?
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20:07:02billeniumyeah i found it
20:07:06billeniumi had to unbootloader it first :)
20:07:15billeniumDo i have to put the bootloader on first? or the .rockbox folder?
20:07:41krazykitbillenium, you're essentially wiping the disk clean, so it doesn't matter
20:07:52gevaertsJdGordon: maybe. The easiest would be if someone who has compiled rockbox stuff on osx before would do it, but access would work as well. This problem should be solvable with my e200rpatcher based repair tool
20:08:19JdGordonwhat you need compiled?
20:08:21billeniumoh no
20:08:25billeniumi mean when im reinstalling it :)
20:08:52gevaertsJdGordon: basically e200rbatcher, with a custom bootloader.bin that I can put somewhere
20:08:56krazykitbillenium, if you go through the manual recovery, you have a blank ipod, so you'll have to install the bootloader and build like normal
20:09:33JdGordongevaerts: ok, put em up somehwere and ill compile em for ya
20:09:34billeniumer well my questions was just which one to put on first....
20:09:39billeniumbut umm thanks
20:09:54krazykitbillenium, read the installation instructions, obviously :P
20:10:23billeniumi did :P and i received a restore error...
20:10:26billeniumname im trying it again
20:10:46gevaertsJdGordon: the file is at gevaerts/bootloader.bin">
20:11:39JdGordonand unpatched e200rinstaller?
20:11:51gevaertsJdGordon: If you put that in rbutil/e200rpatcher, and then run make there, it should work
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20:12:37billeniumWas rockbox updated lately? Because its not the plain Black and Blue
20:12:50gevaertsJdGordon: the c200 in manufacturer mode is recognized by the default e200rpatcher
20:13:06Horschtbillenium, yes, default theme was changed
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20:13:21billeniumDefault theme is great now :)
20:15:03*gevaerts should really put this "how to recover your sansa if the partition table is gone" on the wiki
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20:16:20JdGordongevaerts: pm me an email addy to send it to
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20:17:27wardellbarrygevaerts: usb-fw-pp502x.c looks wrong to me around line 190. going from pp experience I think there should be a DEV_RS |= DEV_USB0/1 in there too. I've tried adding it but can't tell if it makes a difference
20:17:56wardellbarrygevaerts: also, why is DEV_INIT2 |= INIT_USB; only done for PP5020?
20:18:24gevaertswardellbarry: I can't say much about this. It's from before I started.
20:18:41Buschelwardellbarry: that was a chango by myself. DEV_INIT2 is not needed by PP5022/24 (by test).
20:19:21wardellbarryBuschel: an it is needed by PP5020? How did you test that it was not needed?
20:20:23Buschelwardellbarry: this was before the USB-stack was implemented -> pp5022/24 did not need DEV_INIT2 for USB-detect and reboot into OF. PP5020 needed it.
20:21:44gevaertskushal_one: download gevaerts/c250repair">
20:22:18*Buschel is leaving for a while
20:22:32gevaertskushal_one: then run "chmod +x c250repair" to make it executable
20:22:38wardellbarryBuschel: OK, thanks
20:23:22gevaertskushal_one: then put the sansa in manufacturer mode, plug it in, and turn off hold
20:24:13gevaertskushal_one: then run "./c250repair".
20:25:28kushal_oneI got a BUS error
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20:26:28kushal_onethe complete transcript follows:
20:26:30kushal_onesansapatcher v0.6 with v4.0 bootloaders - (C) Dave Chapman 2006-2007
20:26:30kushal_oneThis is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO
20:26:30kushal_onewarranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
20:26:30DBUGSent KICK kushal_one to server
20:26:30kushal_oneBus error
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20:27:19gevaertskushal_one: quick tip: if you have several lines to paste, use a pasting service like
20:27:55gevaertsJdGordon: Did you build this in e200rpatcher or in sansapatcher ?
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20:28:13JdGordonarg.. sorry im still aslee[p
20:28:53JdGordongrr... no libusb-dev on that comp
20:29:25gevaertsJdGordon: I think it needs e200rpatcher, since it works by uploading code.
20:29:25*JdGordon decides not to be useful again
20:29:58*wardellbarry can build it
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20:30:28gevaertswardellbarry: great. I need a e200rpatcher, with bootloader.bin from gevaerts/bootloader.bin">
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20:31:20*JdGordon apologises for being stupid
20:31:26gevaertswardellbarry: this "bootloader" writes a new partition table and FAT boot block
20:31:52*gevaerts still appreciates JdGordon's effort
20:33:06JdGordonsent aagain!
20:33:10*JdGordon beats barry :D">
20:34:58wardellbarryJdGordon had a head start :P
20:35:31JdGordonI had to install libusb first though...
20:35:33gevaertskushal_one: Remove the previous c250repair, and download">
20:35:55kushal_oneremove from desktop?
20:36:06gevaertskushal_one: yes.
20:36:16kushal_oneok, thanks
20:36:47gevaertsAfter downloading it, run "chmod +x c250repair" to make it executable
20:37:09kushal_oneit 404ed on me
20:37:44gevaertskushal_one: then try the new one at gevaerts/c250repair">
20:37:54gevaertskushal_one: same URL as before, but new file
20:38:40gevaertsOK. Then the chmod -x thing, and if the sansa is still plugged in and blue, "./c250repair"
20:38:40wardellbarryoops, should have been">
20:40:33gevaertskushal_one: if everything works right, the sansa screen should show some output.
20:41:16kushal_oneshould I do sudo ./c250repair
20:41:26gevaertskushal_one: maybe. It can't hurt anyway
20:42:01kushal_onewithout sudo "permission denied' with sudo "command not found"
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20:42:20gevaertskushal_one: did you run "chmod +x c250repair" first ?
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20:45:25gevaertskushal_one: then download barrywardell's binary :">
20:46:28gevaertskushal_one: then "chmod -x c250repair-mac" and "sudo ./c250repair-mac"
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20:46:47netmasta10bthow do i clear a playlist
20:47:43JdGordonjust stop the mnusic
20:47:47kushal_onesudo: ./c250repair-mac: command not found
20:48:13wardellbarrykushal_one: that should have been "chmod +x c250repair-mac" and "sudo ./c250repair-mac"
20:48:17gevaertskushal_one: After "chmod -x c250repair-mac" ?
20:49:35kushal_oneit says press enter to continue
20:49:43gevaertskushal_one: OK. press enter
20:50:25gevaertskushal_one: I found a problem. It still won't work
20:50:56gevaertswardellbarry: the binary contains "The requested URL /~&lt;span class=nick_gevaerts&gt;gevaerts&lt;/span&gt;/bootloader.bin was not found on this server.<P>" instead of the bootloader...
20:51:06kushal_onei have not pressed enter yet
20:51:17wardellbarryhaha, oops, I'll fix that
20:51:41gevaertskushal_one: press control-C, and delete the c250repair-mac and c250repair files. Both are wrong in some way
20:51:59*gevaerts still doesn't know whether JdGordon or wardellbarry wins this contest
20:52:18gevaertskushal_one: press and hold the Ctrl-key, and press C
20:52:38gevaertskushal_one: that will stop the running program in the terminal (the faulty c250repair-mac)
20:53:04kushal_oneok i think I have exited the program
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20:53:41kushal_onei sent the files to trash
20:54:12asnAfter majorly ruining my iPod partitions (seems like it wasn't as easy as just deleting all of them) and restoring them with iTunes, I'm presented with 3 mac partitions (when before that I only had 2). I can't mount them. What do I do with them?>
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20:55:06gevaertskushal_one: ok, now let's wait for a new one...
20:55:23wardellbarrykushal_one, gevaerts: try it again:">
20:56:23gevaertskushal_one: ok. Download it, run "chmod +x c250repair-mac", and then run "sudo ./c250repair-mac"
20:56:41gevaertskushal_one: assuming the sansa is still plugged in and in manufaturer mode
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20:58:39gevaertskushal_one: does the sansa screen show anything ?
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20:58:43kushal_oneit says "press any key to shutd"
20:59:10gevaertskushal_one: ok. Unplug the cable and press a key on the sansa
20:59:37kushal_oneit turned off
20:59:44BHXhey guys, great job with Rockbox... one problem though... i have a ipod80 and after updating to today's build it comes up with an error after the RBx slash screen ("Data abort at 0028878E (0)")
20:59:49gevaertskushal_one: now it should be in a "normal" broken mode, so that restoring with e200tool will work
21:00:05kushal_one:) ok lets try it
21:00:33gevaertskushal_one: so: put it in manufacturer mode again, plug it in, turn off hold, and run "./e200tool-mac recover pribootloader.rom"
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21:01:26kushal_onedon't I need header.txt?
21:01:51wardellbarrygevaerts: this is how I would guess usb-fw-pp502x.c should be: What do you think? It's a bit subjective, but I think it makes things a little better for me
21:01:57gevaertskushal_one: not yet. That's later
21:02:14kushal_oneok let me enter your command
21:02:54kushal_onethe sansa display is on and it says ""connected""
21:03:08kushal_oneI can see "untitled" on desktop
21:03:55kushal_onegevaerts, I think it is working
21:04:03gevaertskushal_one: can you check if this "untitled" disk is 16MB ?
21:04:35kushal_oneno, :( it is 1.89 GB
21:04:44gevaertswardellbarry: you're probably right, but I'm not sure about the 0x70000028 stuff, since I don't know what that is for.
21:05:13gevaertskushal_one: What happens if you unplug? It might be recovered already somehow
21:05:26wardellbarryI'm not sure either but it's in the init, so I'm guessing it should probably be there
21:05:26kushal_onedo I need to eject it?
21:05:38gevaertskushal_one: that's always safer
21:05:47kushal_oneok, let me try
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21:07:35kushal_onecan't load rockox.mi4 file not found
21:08:29gevaertskushal_one: so the rockbox bootloader is still there. Turn it off, and turn it back on while holding the "|<<" key
21:09:37gevaertskushal_one: that should start the original firmware. Then you can reinstall rockbox, and everything should work
21:10:03kushal_oneyes, it worked. thank you very much. you are great!
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21:11:00kushal_onethank you to wardellbarry, JdGordon and everyone else who helped too :)
21:11:01saratogaanyone know how you edit the project history page?
21:11:13saratogai looked all through svn and couldn't find it
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21:11:45BHXCan anyone give me a hand?
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21:11:50gevaertskushal_one: that should start the original firmware. Then you can reinstall rockbox, and everything should work
21:11:59*gevaerts pastes random text again...
21:12:05gevaertskushal_one: you're welcome
21:12:18wardellbarryglad I could help
21:12:26kushal_onethank you wardellbarry
21:12:39kushal_onebut especially thank you gevaerts
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21:13:13kushal_onehave a nice day, bye
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21:13:54gevaertsI think maybe we do need a recovery tool that writes back a correct partition table and FAT. My tool is a bit single-minded, since it can only do one size
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21:19:00gevaertswardellbarry: I'm now testing with your changes
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21:24:02asnAfter majorly ruining my iPod partitions (seems like it wasn't as easy as just deleting all of them) and restoring them with iTunes, I'm presented with 3 mac partitions (when before that I only had 2). I can't mount them. What do I do with them?>
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21:26:42gevaertsbarrywardell: Your changes don't seem to harm anything, but they don't seem to improve things either. I'll experiment further tomorrow.
21:26:53krazykitasn, did you restore it on a mac?
21:31:53wardellbarrygevaerts: that was my experience too. I thought I experienced a little more reliability by
21:32:01wardellbarrybut could have been imagining it
21:33:10asnkrazykit: yes
21:33:21asnkrazykit: the itunes was on an imac
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21:34:09gevaertsbarrywardell: reliability was easier to see in the old days, when it worked or not. Now it's a matter of counting lines in the dmesg output.
21:34:28krazykitasn, check the wiki: it has instructions for converting your macpod to a winpod
21:35:01asnkrazykit: thanks.
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21:36:59wardellbarrygevaerts: also, having rockbox identify itself as a disk rather than removable storage makes windows much less unstable - it doesn't stop explorer responding
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21:39:00gevaertswardellbarry: that _is_ interesting. However, it's probably just caused by not yet implementing the removable-device related SCSI commands properly
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21:40:25jhMikeSwhat's with all the FPA error stuff trying to build any S bl or fw? They weren't there immediately after changing -mcpu to arm1136jf-s.
21:41:16*gevaerts has to go now.
21:41:33Nico_PjhMikeS: those errors mean you should rebuild your cross compiler
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21:42:33jhMikeSNico_P: What made them show up after switching CPU models? I was able to build it before as 1136 and my cross compiler hasn't changed.
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21:43:36Nico_PjhMikeS: if it's not r16273 I don't know what it is
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21:45:08jhMikeSit says to objects that are built don't use FPA instructions but that the libs do
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21:45:36Nico_PjhMikeS: I didn't understand that
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21:48:00jhMikeSERROR: /usr/local/arm-elf/lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.3/libgcc.a(_udivsi3.o) uses FPA instructions, whereas /home/user/rockbox/builds/gigabeat-s-b/bootloader/bootloader.elf does not
21:48:35Nico_PjhMikeS: I'm pretty sure you need to rebuild the arm cross compiler
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21:49:49jhMikeSdid trim the download size? I don't have much room on the VM and it took > 500MB before.
21:50:10Nico_PI couldn't tell you :/
21:50:30Nico_Pmaybe revert r16273 locally
21:51:40aliaskjhMikeS: If you still have the gcc source you could compile it manually after applying this patch:
21:52:04jhMikeSYeah, could revert for a test but I'm using arm11 instructions in another branch
21:53:42aliask(and the gcc source is only 31mb anyway)
21:55:50jhMikeSI don't still have it because I deleted it to make room.
21:57:47aliaskjhMikeS: Is there a way to see if an interrupt has been triggered, and from what source?
21:59:28jhMikeSaliask. sure, see the section on the AVIC and it lists them. There's also FIQ code in SVN that uses one method to vector FIQs.
22:01:11jhMikeSthe pending H/L register are a bitmask and probabaly the better ones to use. also, the peripheral source register should also have a pending bit.
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22:02:53aliaskExcellent. I'll take a look when I get a chance.
22:02:58*aliask is off to school
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22:03:53Nico_PjhMikeS: what are you working on for the S?
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22:05:31jhMikeSNothing much ATM since I can't compile anything. :) I'm more planning a general strategy for interrupt based drivers that let the peripherals do all the work instead of the core (ie. keep the thread waiting, not polling).
22:07:15Nico_Pnice. any ideas on how to get usb working? is it hard (I could try to get it going if it's not too hard)?
22:07:55 Quit jhulst (Success)
22:09:44jhMikeSNot too much yet other that at least get the drv portion worked out.
22:10:20Nico_Pyeah that's what I meant. If it's not too complicated I could try getting the driver going
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22:11:49jhMikeSWouldn't the PP code be a basis?
22:12:14Nico_PI guess so
22:14:04asdrubalI want to travel to the future and get a 64GB microsd
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22:18:06stripwaxasdrubal - best of luck with that
22:19:55rasherApart from the problem with time travel, I think microsd (hc) stands a good chance of being standard for a long time
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22:22:49jhMikeSI think you'll have to exchange whatever money you have with the new world currency but you should probably make an interest-bearing investment now and then travel to the future.
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22:24:48asdrubalrasher, I know.. It's the perfect standard... the only thing that might prompt a change is the interface speed.. I think it's around 10MB/s for MicroSD
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22:25:07asdrubaljhMikeS, We should have 64GB microsd In 3 years
22:25:30*Llorean doesn't think this is actually #Rockbox material
22:25:36asdrubalnope. Sorry
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22:55:21wardellbarryany ops around who can unban me please?
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22:57:36rasherLlorean should be able
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22:59:18Mode"#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
22:59:32Mode"#rockbox -b *!*n=barryw*@194.46.160.* " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
23:00:27Mode"#rockbox -o Bagder " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
23:01:01LloreanI guess I am able to these days. How did you get banned?
23:01:43wardellbarryI accidentally posted 6 lines in rapid succession
23:02:02 Quit desowin ()
23:02:16#>>"got annoyed" by pixelma (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma)
23:02:19wardellbarryaround 19:05 in the logs
23:02:39Nico_Phaha logbot seems to be sligthly on edge
23:03:06 Quit ol_schoola ()
23:03:26LloreanDo we have a new logbot? Since when does it ban?
23:04:05pixelmait can ban since it was given op rights a few weeks ago
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23:07:25rasherIt's doing a fairly good job actually
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23:08:24barrywardellah, that's better!
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23:08:58Horschtcan't logbot be given an exception list?
23:09:14Horscht"do not band the following people, please:"
23:09:19barrywardellthanks Bagder
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23:10:25pixelmaI thought some could even use logbot to unban him but I couldn't figure out which parameters I would have to feed him with (how the ban was "defined")
23:11:55Bagderyes, iirc banlist shows some id that can be used
23:13:26pixelmaI couldn't use banlist - from the other computer I was logged in earlier I got nothing and now I tried here got the answer that I "must be registered with PASS" first
23:14:00Bagderyes, most higher-level commands require that you authenticate first
23:14:12pixelmaor "must register"... so I guess I didn't have the rights
23:14:50Bagderusers are only recognized if they're joined on the network with a host mask already added to the user "account"
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23:16:00pixelmaisn't that what I can see in brackets after the nick (in the text only logs)?
23:16:19Bagderthat's the user's level, yes
23:16:27peturyou need 50
23:16:36peturfor the kick/ban/unban
23:16:47pixelmayeah, and I think I read that unban was on "50"...
23:16:56*barrywardell wonders how he gets a rockbox developer host mask
23:17:08Bagderbarrywardell: you poke scorche
23:17:33*barrywardell pokes scorche
23:17:44peturworks great btw, when a spammer drops by and no ops are around... just nudge logbot a bit ;)
23:17:53pixelmabanlist too
23:18:08*midgey pokes scorche too
23:18:36*Bagder joins in the poking for the fun of it
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23:19:57pixelmaok, wasn't "recognised" when joining earlier from the other box... logbot should have told me... :)
23:20:13*petur thinks gevaerts will want to poke scorche too
23:20:29*gevaerts poked scorche a few days ago
23:20:52*gevaerts pokes petur instead for no good reason
23:20:59peturBagder: the frontpage still doesn't show gevaerts as full name
23:21:01 Quit ender` (" "Religion is the opiate of the masses." -- Karl Marx "Winners don't do drugs." -- The FBI")
23:21:04BagderI know
23:21:17BagderI blame Zagor
23:21:58*pixelma thinks gevaerts just wants to up his "action" count ;)
23:22:18*petur already gave up on that :)
23:22:52Horscht.oO( wow, that was weird )
23:23:38*Bagder will commit a username => realname mapping file and fix his script to use that
23:29:35gevaertsFrom what I've seen the sansa SD driver behaves differently on c200 than on e200. My c250 gets write errors while using usb if the udelay(2) is there in the write loop in ata-c200_e200.c, while e200 gets errors if it isn't there. I think we need to find out why.
23:30:26gevaertsWe can of course just put an #ifdef around it, but I feel a bit nevous about that kind of timing issue
23:31:33gevaertsActually, e200 gets errors too, but they're much rarer
23:32:08jhMikeSgevaerts: did you try issuing the PRG after sending all the data and then waiting for fifo empty? I can't think of a better reason atm.
23:33:16gevaertsjhMikeS: the errors are not near the end of the buffer, so I can't really see that helping
23:35:36jhMikeSI know but the sd hw itself may be doing something internally.
23:37:22gevaertsYes, but PRG is only set at the last chunk. Moving that entire if block won't change behaviour.
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23:38:44*gevaerts unplugs his "real-life" sd card and plugs in his testing card
23:38:52jhMikeSIf I used reasonable thinking in trying to make any of these PP targets behave I don't think I'd succeed very often :)
23:40:18gevaertsThat's true. I'll let you know what happens
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23:47:30gevaertsThis high-speed business is seriously interfering with my infrastructure work...
23:48:38gevaertsjhMikeS: same behaviour : corruption with udelay(), no corruption without
23:49:38jhMikeSgot a diff?
23:51:22gevaertsCorruption pattern is the same as well
23:51:48*petur wonders what you have to do to logbot to make him say "got annoyed"
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23:52:59*gevaerts wonders why petur is called peter in the COMMITTERS file
23:53:19peturbecause that is my login?
23:53:42gevaertsgood reason I guess
23:56:39Bagderthe front page isn't yet created with the use of that file
23:56:49Bagderbut I'll poke on zagor to get that sorted
23:56:52pixelmapetur: mention it in a line with "logbot" in front
23:57:46peturI also saw we can redirect the explain messages to one nick...
23:58:54JdGordonhow do the explain messages work?
23:58:55jhMikeSI think I had more this in mind:

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