| 00:00:01 | gevaerts | I'll try |
| 00:00:12 | #>> | "show JdGordon explain beer" by petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) |
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| 00:00:28 | JdGordon | nothing |
| 00:00:46 | Bagder | see log for reason |
| 00:01:04 | jhMikeS | perhaps even one more wait after the PRG and DATA_DONE check |
| 00:01:30 | petur | Bagder: logbot isn't registered? |
| 00:01:31 | JdGordon | logbot isnt registered? |
| 00:01:36 | JdGordon | oh snap! |
| 00:01:46 | Bagder | well, quite obviously not |
| 00:01:50 | pixelma | and now check the logs... |
| 00:02:01 | petur | rofl |
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| 00:04:12 | pixelma | weird |
| 00:04:28 | gevaerts | Removing that continue won't make it work. It needs to skip over the goto ata_write_error; so maybe a while(1) around that will do |
| 00:04:50 | jhMikeS | in the second one where I left the extra by mistake |
| 00:06:07 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: won't it write one FIFO-sized block too many like this ? |
| 00:06:43 | petur | anybody want to give an opinion on 8585? I want to reject it because I think a picture viewer shouldn't work like that... |
| 00:08:04 | gevaerts | petur: I think I agree with you |
| 00:08:06 | Llorean | petur: I'd say reject it. |
| 00:08:19 | petur | ok |
| 00:08:26 | Llorean | If we want to fit the image on-screen, we should use some real scaling anyway. |
| 00:08:27 | jhMikeS | maybe this isn't quite what I had in mind ;). cranked it out too fast without thinking |
| 00:10:27 | jhMikeS | think I got it right this time: http://pastebin.ca/916825 |
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| 00:12:49 | gevaerts | Testing now |
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| 00:18:22 | gevaerts | Without the udelay it still works, if I add it back the sansa hangs somewhere |
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| 00:18:48 | jhMikeS | so it changed to hanging from corruption? |
| 00:19:14 | gevaerts | Apparently so. I think it's better |
| 00:19:20 | scorche | gevaerts: if you didnt notice, i got you cloaked thrusday night |
| 00:19:31 | gevaerts | scorche: I noticed. Thanks |
| 00:21:16 | barrywardell | scorche: any chance you could do the same for me please? |
| 00:21:26 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: actually hanging _and_ corruption. The data that actually got written is wrong |
| 00:21:26 | scorche | barrywardell: in a bit...catching up on the logs |
| 00:21:34 | * | scorche was away all weekend |
| 00:21:55 | barrywardell | ok, thanks |
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| 00:28:59 | jhMikeS | well, at least running rockboxdev.sh fixed up the compiler for arm11 |
| 00:31:33 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: you didn't run out of VM space then? |
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| 00:33:31 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I had to move a tree off of it to make room but it wasn't as much as last time |
| 00:35:05 | jhMikeS | I think...I cleared to about 540MB to be sure and got no errors |
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| 00:50:24 | barrywardell | rasher: did you see FS #8636? |
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| 01:00:57 | rasher | barrywardell: oh goddamn |
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| 01:24:51 | brendan193 | ? |
| 01:25:28 | brendan193 | any one want to help me with cygwin |
| 01:25:57 | krazykit | no one can help you if you don't ask. |
| 01:26:19 | brendan193 | hmm |
| 01:27:33 | brendan193 | it says that "your running a script in a path that contains space" |
| 01:28:05 | scorche | define "it" |
| 01:28:43 | brendan193 | lol srry it is cygwin when i run the command ../tools/configure |
| 01:29:02 | rasher | type pwd |
| 01:29:04 | rasher | And give us the output |
| 01:31:03 | brendan193 | cygdrive/c/documents and settings/administrator/rockbox/build |
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| 01:33:02 | webguest54 | is there a way to find the filename of something in tagcache based on its id3 name? |
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| 01:36:42 | brendan193 | any ideas? |
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| 01:40:34 | cool_walking_ | brendan193: "documents and settings" contains a space. |
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| 01:41:05 | alienbiker99 | what would i take to make the jpeg view turn 180 degrees? |
| 01:41:31 | brendan193 | ya but how do i configgure cygwin to a diffrent folder so i dont run into this problem |
| 01:42:06 | cool_walking_ | brendan193: just move the entire folder somewhere, and run ../tools/configure again. |
| 01:42:15 | brendan193 | kk thx |
| 01:42:19 | webguest03 | does anyone have any experience with tagcache? |
| 01:42:42 | alienbiker99 | search for it in the database menu |
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| 01:43:34 | webguest03 | alienbiker are you talking to me? |
| 01:44:53 | alienbiker99 | yes |
| 01:45:42 | webguest03 | i mean the code |
| 01:45:47 | webguest03 | tagcache.c |
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| 01:49:44 | obaid | hey guys |
| 01:49:53 | rasher | webguest03: You basically want to talk to Slasheri. |
| 01:49:55 | obaid | i have two little questions about rockbox |
| 01:50:44 | obaid | first: i used a self build of rockbox on my sansa e250 before and it had the "load DB to ram" option which made it so much faster |
| 01:51:10 | obaid | is it possible to set the same settings in the normal rockbox builds? |
| 01:51:47 | obaid | *selfmade |
| 01:53:43 | webguest03 | thanks rasher |
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| 01:55:41 | obaid | seems like no one here :( even if the list shows some guys up here |
| 01:56:24 | krazykit | obaid, please have patience. if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. |
| 01:57:14 | pixelma | obaid: I don't think so... and it only should have been faster if you also had enabled the database auto-update (I don't think Rockbox is slow on my c250 but I don't use auto-update at all and the database not much in general). |
| 01:57:45 | pixelma | also, what svn revision are you on? Because there was a bug that was fixed just yesterday/today that could have caused slowdown under certain circumstances |
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| 02:02:24 | pixelma | hmm... just wanted to clarify my statement... |
| 02:05:46 | brendan193 | how do i change the working directory in cygwin |
| 02:08:11 | cool_walking_ | brendan193: you mean the current directory? "cd /path/to/directory/". same as in DOS. |
| 02:09:15 | brendan193 | code? |
| 02:10:46 | cool_walking_ | huh? |
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| 02:11:51 | brendan193 | what do u mean same in dos |
| 02:12:07 | cool_walking_ | Don't worry, just ignore that. |
| 02:12:37 | brendan193 | in wondows explorer the folder i need to get to is located @ c:\rockbox-bleeding |
| 02:12:43 | brendan193 | cant get there in cygwin |
| 02:13:14 | Llorean | Yes, you can. |
| 02:13:25 | brendan193 | how so? |
| 02:13:31 | Llorean | Use the cd command. |
| 02:13:39 | Llorean | cd c:\rockbox-bleeding ought to be enough, I think. |
| 02:13:50 | Llorean | Though it's been ages since I've used cygwin. |
| 02:13:57 | cool_walking_ | I don't think cygwin supports the windows paths |
| 02:14:05 | cool_walking_ | you have to use /cygdrive/c/rockbox-bleeding |
| 02:14:10 | brendan193 | ha got it thx |
| 02:14:15 | Llorean | I'm pretty sure it used to use windows paths just fine |
| 02:14:19 | Llorean | It would translate 'em, iirc. |
| 02:14:42 | brendan193 | ya the windows path worked i thought it wouldent |
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| 02:17:49 | brendan193 | 1 step 4ward 2 steps back |
| 02:18:26 | brendan193 | arm-elf-gcc: command not found |
| 02:18:36 | Llorean | 4ward is not a real word, please see the guidelines. |
| 02:19:02 | brendan193 | aww |
| 02:19:14 | brendan193 | *forward |
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| 02:20:12 | Llorean | It means you didn't set up the full environment properly |
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| 02:23:01 | brendan193 | oh |
| 02:24:04 | brendan193 | how can i set it up fully? |
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| 02:27:32 | brendan193 | ugh... *slamms hed on keyboard* |
| 02:27:39 | Llorean | brendan193: Follow the instructions? |
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| 02:27:56 | Llorean | There's some wiki page for setting it up, or a few rather. |
| 02:28:01 | Llorean | I don't know which one you've been following to this point. |
| 02:28:19 | Llorean | but I certainly hope you went looking for directions first, instead of just trying to guess your way through it. |
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| 03:33:35 | XavierGr | I am really sorry for the logbot channel flood I didn't realise that all people (and the chaneel) get notified with logbot commands |
| 03:35:14 | * | scorche sighs at notices |
| 03:40:24 | XavierGr | yeah, excuse my stupidity :( |
| 03:41:16 | scorche | thats alright...i will work on it...on logbot or another bot... |
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| 04:36:03 | ipod | is there a rockbox build to work with ipod video 5th generation software 1.2.3? |
| 04:36:37 | scorche | the ipod video build should work for any version of the apple firmware |
| 04:37:25 | ipod | when i install it and restart my ipod it just boots to the ipod OS |
| 04:38:24 | ipod | but it shows that it installed it |
| 04:38:39 | scorche | how did you install rockbox? |
| 04:39:15 | ipod | using that rockbox install thing where you just plug it in and hit install |
| 04:39:47 | scorche | which rockbox install thing precisely? |
| 04:40:43 | ipod | rbutilqt-1.0.3pre |
| 04:40:51 | ipod | do i need the new one? |
| 04:41:32 | cool_walking_ | Do you have the hold switch flicked on? This will cause it to boot into the Apple firmware. |
| 04:41:40 | ipod | no |
| 04:41:52 | ipod | i just reset it, leaving the hold switch off |
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| 04:42:41 | cool_walking_ | Try installing the boot loader again, from RbUtil. |
| 04:43:33 | ipod | ok |
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| 04:48:56 | ipod | is this supposed to take forever? im doing another complete install |
| 04:49:09 | ipod | i uninstalled it first |
| 04:50:04 | cool_walking_ | Shouldn't take too long, all it does is download and copy like 5 MB. |
| 04:50:11 | cool_walking_ | Is your internet really slow? |
| 04:50:31 | ipod | it did the download ok its taking a long time to install |
| 04:50:43 | ipod | i guyess its waiting for the sync to finish |
| 04:51:03 | cool_walking_ | What sync? |
| 04:51:10 | ipod | itunes |
| 04:51:42 | cool_walking_ | I'm not sure, but you might want to close iTunes when doing this. |
| 04:53:35 | ipod | ok |
| 04:53:38 | ipod | THANKS!!! |
| 04:53:40 | ipod | it work |
| 04:53:48 | fyrestorm | ipod |
| 04:53:56 | fyrestorm | are you on a 5th gen? |
| 04:54:09 | ipod | yeah |
| 04:54:15 | fyrestorm | what OS are you on? |
| 04:54:28 | ipod | 1.2.3 |
| 04:54:40 | fyrestorm | no, your operating system |
| 04:54:45 | fyrestorm | xp? vista? |
| 04:54:54 | ipod | XP |
| 04:55:04 | ipod | why, i could do it on my mac... |
| 04:55:37 | fyrestorm | no, theres been a bug with vista and plugging in some newer builds of rockbox. i was wondering if it was happening on XP. |
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| 04:55:57 | ipod | nah i think i just had an old build |
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| 04:56:10 | fyrestorm | did you use rbutil? |
| 04:56:22 | fyrestorm | cause if you did then youre on the latest daily |
| 04:57:18 | ipod | ya i did |
| 04:57:30 | fyrestorm | did you plug back in your ipod via usb? |
| 04:57:39 | ipod | ya |
| 04:57:43 | fyrestorm | ok then youre okay XD |
| 04:58:50 | ipod | i will see y'all later then |
| 04:58:53 | ipod | thanks again! |
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| 05:28:32 | webguest25 | Hi hope this is getting through. Can rockbox be use on the original Zune? |
| 05:28:55 | JdGordon | why wouldnt it? and no |
| 05:28:56 | scorche | all the devices rockbox runs on are listed on teh front page |
| 05:29:56 | webguest25 | ah I am using a screen reader so it's not recognizing the form labels or whatever |
| 05:32:03 | webguest25 | yeah I looked at the main page, and noticed some devices that supposedly work aren't listed. |
| 05:32:15 | scorche | like what? |
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| 05:32:54 | webguest25 | Supposedly the zenstone works with it. I've asked the person how they did it, but haven't got a respose yet |
| 05:32:56 | scorche | where did you hear that that device worked with rockbox? |
| 05:33:32 | webguest25 | zonebbs.com |
| 05:35:07 | webguest25 | I can also make an html link if you want |
| 05:36:54 | scorche | i see a thread where both the zen stone and rockbox are talked about, but it doesnt say that rockbox works on the zen stone |
| 05:36:56 | webguest25 | is there any possibility of the zune working with rockbox then? I am blind and don't have much money, so can't take it apart, scan it and all that |
| 05:36:57 | scorche | big d :) |
| 05:37:19 | scorche | well, no one is working on that port right now, so it is hard to say |
| 05:38:01 | webguest25 | you've heard of me then? or could you tell from the latest posts? |
| 05:38:31 | scorche | i just looked at teh latest posts |
| 05:40:10 | webguest25 | I have also posted to another foru to see if anyone has a zune they don't mind explodes :) |
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| 05:41:44 | webguest40 | hello, does rockbox now offer better battery life on 5th gen ipods? |
| 05:42:02 | scorche | test it and find out :) |
| 05:42:59 | webguest40 | nobody has tested yet. I used to have it installed but removed it because battery would die in 2 hours or so. Just wanted to know if anybody gets better battery life now |
| 05:43:30 | scorche | 2 hours?...you must have a very old battery.. |
| 05:43:31 | webguest25 | maybe your battery needs to be replaced? how long have you had it? |
| 05:44:23 | webguest40 | well, maybe a year now. It works just fine without rockbox installed. I could listen to a full episode of howard stern and still have good batter life. |
| 05:44:38 | scorche | have you performed a proper test? |
| 05:44:41 | webguest25 | also what voice does rockbox use? |
| 05:44:50 | webguest40 | what do you mean |
| 05:45:03 | webguest40 | I like rockbox just wish battery lasted longer |
| 05:45:12 | webguest40 | with it installed |
| 05:45:42 | brianinmaine | My friend, a drummer was wondering if anyone is able to use midi on a sansa e280. it only gives errors while playing.. |
| 05:45:54 | webguest25 | rockbox can talk, for visually impaired users or people in the car etc |
| 05:46:17 | webguest40 | i never used anything like that on it. so I wouldn't be able to tell you. |
| 05:46:30 | scorche | webguest40: well, have you done a battery bench of your battery to see exactly how long it lasts?...and compared it with the original firmware playing the same songs under similar conditions? |
| 05:46:49 | webguest25 | ah. actually it is on by default, you probably didn't have the .voice file installed |
| 05:47:07 | scorche | webguest25: that depends on what you create the voices with...i am far from a voice expert though |
| 05:48:33 | webguest25 | ah ok. I would test it, but can't install it. unless you can use it on a zen nano plus? I use the zune more though, or try to |
| 05:48:55 | krazykit | the supported players are listed on the front page |
| 05:49:05 | scorche | webguest25: all the players that rockbox currently supports are listed on the front page...no more, no less |
| 05:49:10 | webguest40 | well I don't know how to run a battery bench mark. Is that just me keeping an eye on how long it lasts or is there a procedure. |
| 05:49:32 | scorche | webguest40: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BatteryRuntime |
| 05:49:38 | webguest40 | thanks |
| 05:50:31 | webguest25 | there's a battery bench file in the rocks folder in the rockbox directory, if that helps |
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| 05:52:02 | scorche | webguest25: yes...it is a plugin that outputs a log file on the battery at different points so you dont have to manually time/watch the device and see when it dies (as well as recording useful information such as voltage, etc) |
| 05:52:40 | webguest25 | also do the voice options work with the games, apps and other things? |
| 05:52:51 | webguest40 | im going to install rockbox again tonight. I love they way I can load my songs without using itunes. makes it easier to backup songs on my other computer as well. |
| 05:53:09 | webguest40 | thanks scorche appreciate the help and info. |
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| 05:57:52 | Davide-NYC | no dual booting with iAudio X5 huh. |
| 05:58:50 | Davide-NYC | let me rephrase that (sorry) Does the iAudio X5 bootloader support booting Rockbox and the OF? |
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| 06:03:16 | * | midgey cheers for his host mask |
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| 06:03:31 | midgey | Davide-NYC: i think its only possible through a patch |
| 06:04:15 | scorche | midgey: it is a cloak...the hostmask was there regardless ;) |
| 06:04:22 | Davide-NYC | are there plans to implement this similar to the iriver H1x0 bootloader? |
| 06:04:41 | midgey | scorche: irc terms... |
| 06:04:49 | scorche | yes :) |
| 06:05:23 | Davide-NYC | I'm trying to get a neophyte user to embrace RB, would like a way for her to back out without bringing the unit back to me. |
| 06:05:30 | midgey | Davide-NYC: if someone did it correctly i'm sure it would go into svn |
| 06:05:39 | Davide-NYC | of course |
| 06:05:57 | midgey | i believe the patch relies on the OF somehow (or it did) |
| 06:06:28 | JdGordon | anyone know whats needed to get the viewports+wps patch commitable? |
| 06:06:55 | scorche | JdGordon: a couple hours early? :) |
| 06:07:18 | JdGordon | yeah, but im bored now... |
| 06:08:00 | webguest25 | I know this is a dumb question, but how do I log out of this thing? I clicked the close thing in the first frame but nothing happened. do I just close the window? |
| 06:08:12 | scorche | that will work |
| 06:08:36 | scorche | the "close thing" in the first frame only closes your current window |
| 06:08:39 | webguest25 | ah thanks |
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| 06:09:42 | zemo | sorry to bother, but when I download the current build for my 30gig Ipod the file has nothing in it. |
| 06:09:54 | scorche | are you on a mac? |
| 06:09:58 | zemo | yes |
| 06:10:22 | midgey | the zip contains a folder starting with a dot which are hidden on make |
| 06:10:43 | scorche | this is because the folder contained in the .zip file starts with a "." which denotes it as hidden...just make sure and extract it to the root of your ipod liek the instructions say |
| 06:11:04 | zemo | ok. |
| 06:11:16 | midgey | you can either make finder show hidden files, use terminal to unzip the file to your ipod, or use pathfinder |
| 06:11:35 | scorche | or use rbutil |
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| 06:11:44 | midgey | or that |
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| 06:18:42 | JdGordon | anyone in here definatly still experiencing the disk access after every track? |
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| 06:41:19 | * | JdGordon would really like Nico_P to decide its a nice to to get into irc before 6am :p |
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| 07:00:32 | Bagder | its before 7am :-) |
| 07:00:47 | Bagder | ok, now it _is_ 7 am |
| 07:00:51 | JdGordon | :) |
| 07:01:42 | JdGordon | anyone think there would be much uproar if the shuffle behaviour was changed so the playlist viewer showed the playlist in the order, but the current track jumped around? |
| 07:01:55 | JdGordon | instead of doing the full shuffle before starting |
| 07:02:03 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 07:02:10 | Llorean | I'm quite certain there would be some objections. |
| 07:02:33 | Llorean | I mean, if you save a shuffled playlist, doesn't it save the shuffled order? |
| 07:02:41 | Bagder | it does |
| 07:03:04 | Llorean | So long as it's actually shuffling the playlist, and not "random playback", I think the playlist viewer should show the true order. |
| 07:03:05 | JdGordon | arg, forgot about saving playlists... |
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| 07:03:28 | Labyrince | erm hello, is anyone on? |
| 07:04:15 | scorche | 131 users by my count |
| 07:04:51 | Labyrince | ah, but that does not always mean activity |
| 07:05:19 | Labyrince | anyways, do you happen to be knowlegeable with the ipod mini cf hack? |
| 07:05:21 | scorche | yes, but they *are* on |
| 07:06:00 | Labyrince | sorry for my poor choice of words |
| 07:06:19 | scorche | it is typically best to just come right out with your question rather than start off with a few "narrowing" questions...plus, you can get a response if someone sees the question in their backscroll that way |
| 07:06:42 | Labyrince | thanks scorche |
| 07:07:03 | Labyrince | well i have no idea what to do with the minicf.diff file |
| 07:07:20 | Labyrince | i dont know what directory to put it in, or if im supposed to compile it or something |
| 07:07:24 | scorche | ah...so this is more of a "how do i patch" question? |
| 07:07:29 | Labyrince | yeah |
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| 07:08:22 | scorche | see, this doesnt have much to do with "being knowlegeable with the ipod mini cf hack" :) ...you might want to have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
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| 07:08:59 | Labyrince | so i need to compile it myself then... |
| 07:09:04 | Labyrince | thanks scorche |
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| 07:09:11 | scorche | yup |
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| 07:09:30 | Labyrince | is there a precompiled version somewhere i could use? |
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| 07:09:41 | JayzusPewp | BenjaminRogers: stfu, queef |
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| 07:10:03 | BenjaminRogers | sorry |
| 07:10:13 | BenjaminRogers | one last time, |
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| 07:11:10 | scorche | Labyrince: you might want to check in the unsupported builds section of the forum...although as the name implies, those builds are unsupported |
| 07:12:49 | scorche | Kushal: really...please dont do that again...if you must, leave the channel before doing that...creates much less spamm |
| 07:13:17 | Kushal | I am not doing that again. sorry. |
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| 07:13:57 | Labyrince | sadly for me, there is none for 2g mini |
| 07:14:06 | * | Bagder chases his kids down the stairs to get breakfast |
| 07:14:13 | scorche | Labyrince: then it seems that you are back to that wiki page |
| 07:14:54 | Labyrince | wiki page? |
| 07:15:05 | scorche | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 07:15:11 | Labyrince | oh i see lol |
| 07:16:22 | Labyrince | what is the paste command in cgywin? |
| 07:16:54 | scorche | i dont know...i dont use cygwin...but perhaps google would know |
| 07:17:15 | Labyrince | yeah you're right, no need for me to annoy you all with easy to answer questions |
| 07:18:15 | Labyrince | if i were to create a build, i just put it on the unsupproted builds right? |
| 07:18:51 | Hodapp | whoa, rockbox has a text browser? |
| 07:19:07 | * | Hodapp rushes to go raid Project Gutenberg |
| 07:19:09 | scorche | Hodapp: it has a lot of things.. |
| 07:19:20 | Labyrince | oh god, it doesn't reconize svn |
| 07:19:41 | scorche | then you havent set it up according to our instructions |
| 07:19:56 | Hodapp | scorche: yes... but a text browser is of interest to me |
| 07:20:09 | Hodapp | it reduces the amount of crap and gadgets I need to keep track of |
| 07:20:15 | Labyrince | but its the first instruction :( |
| 07:20:16 | scorche | Labyrince: only put it there if you are willing to comply with the GPL, provide hosting, etc...also, people will be expecting you to help them with the build, as we wont |
| 07:20:29 | scorche | Labyrince: not of the cygwin install page linked on that page |
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| 07:27:06 | Labyrince | oh well i guess im stick with ofw today, thanks scorche |
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| 07:35:15 | lst2 | .heard midk |
| 07:35:43 | lst2 | Midkay |
| 07:36:15 | midkay | yo? |
| 07:37:38 | Nico_P | JdGordon: here now |
| 07:37:50 | lst2 | Me vxo |
| 07:38:09 | lst2 | U seattle |
| 07:38:40 | scorche | lst2: is this turning into something rockbox-related? |
| 07:38:51 | midkay | lst2: excuse me? |
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| 07:39:36 | lst2 | I need to talk to z |
| 07:40:10 | zemo | what kind of text files can rockbox read |
| 07:40:12 | lst2 | Vaxjo darn it |
| 07:40:44 | zemo | I was unsuccessful in finding the info on my own. prob did't look in the right place |
| 07:40:59 | lst2 | Stupid cellphone |
| 07:41:12 | scorche | lst2: if this isnt turning into something rockbox-related, please take it somewhere else.. |
| 07:41:19 | midkay | lst2: well, i'm here. |
| 07:42:23 | lst2 | Where can we talk |
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| 07:42:33 | midkay | #ccwb |
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| 08:03:43 | JdGordon | Nico_P: the only playback->playlist code is just asking for the next filename to buffer right? |
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| 08:19:56 | * | amiconn notices JdGordon around |
| 08:20:10 | * | JdGordon notices amiconn also... *wink wink* |
| 08:20:19 | amiconn | JdGordon: Could you please check the behaviour of those 'simplelists'? |
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| 08:20:38 | JdGordon | ... which behaviour? |
| 08:20:47 | amiconn | E.g. the 'Open with..' submenu uses such a list, but the list items do not scroll |
| 08:21:07 | amiconn | The simplelist itself does use lcd_puts_scroll() |
| 08:21:30 | amiconn | It looks like the simplelist is redrawn way too often, so that the scrolling text has no chance to start scrolling |
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| 08:21:52 | JdGordon | yeah, sounds right, should be a simple fix |
| 08:22:17 | amiconn | Noticed this on the Player, as it made 2 plugins undistinguishable (bookmark....) |
| 08:23:35 | amiconn | I also noticed that if I enter the 'Open with...' menu, wait for the hdd to spin down, then leave it, during the time the disk spins up again (no dircache on Player of course), the text starts scrolling briefly (visible until it gets replaced by the browser) |
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| 08:26:29 | JdGordon | amiconn: http://pastebin.ca/917290 should fix it |
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| 08:30:38 | amiconn | Is this explicit ACTION_NONE check necessary? |
| 08:31:08 | JdGordon | which? |
| 08:31:17 | amiconn | I mean, what's the chance of a changing line count at the same time as another action? |
| 08:31:27 | JdGordon | yeah, very slim |
| 08:31:41 | amiconn | I think (action == ACTION_REDRAW) || (old_line_count != simplelist_line_count) could be sufficient |
| 08:31:56 | JdGordon | yeah, probably |
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| 08:37:36 | amiconn | JdGordon: It does fix the 'Open with..' behaviour. Shall I coummit? |
| 08:37:42 | amiconn | *commit |
| 08:38:00 | JdGordon | yep |
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| 08:43:31 | amiconn | LinusN: The 'diff' links in the leftmost column of the build table do not work... |
| 08:44:09 | amiconn | Correction: The topmost 3 don't work. The older ones do |
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| 08:51:40 | LinusN | interesting |
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| 08:52:17 | LinusN | i'll leave that for Bagder |
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| 08:56:35 | * | GodEater notes that gevaerts name is still not displayed correctly on the front page or in "Last 4 weeks" |
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| 08:58:13 | amiconn | GodEater: In 'last 4 weeks' he is displayed correctly... |
| 08:58:51 | GodEater | so he is |
| 08:58:56 | GodEater | I meant recent |
| 08:59:17 | * | GodEater resolves to actually read the URL he's talking about next time |
| 08:59:31 | LinusN | that's Bagder's domain. i tried to fix it, but the myriad of different scripts confused me, so i only managed to fix the last-4-weeks script |
| 08:59:45 | GodEater | heh |
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| 09:00:09 | GodEater | has the high speed USB code stabilised for writing over the weekend ? |
| 09:00:16 | LinusN | don't think so |
| 09:00:32 | GodEater | I saw some discussion about it yesterday but wasn't sure of the resolution of said discussion |
| 09:00:47 | GodEater | it dissolved into fixing someone's sansa |
| 09:01:35 | * | GodEater updates the Gigabeat S entry on wikipedia's Rockbox page a bit |
| 09:01:41 | amiconn | Writing works on hdd based targets, *if* the device mounts properly |
| 09:01:53 | GodEater | could you define "properly" ? |
| 09:02:07 | GodEater | and why does mounting make any difference ? |
| 09:02:18 | * | scorche sees a bit of LinusN -> Bagder -> Zagor ;) |
| 09:02:28 | amiconn | On sansa, it causes some data corruption which seems to be caused by the sd driver, but only in conjunction with usb highspeed transfers |
| 09:02:49 | GodEater | so likely some sort of timing issue ? |
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| 09:03:22 | LinusN | amiconn: what does "if the device mounts properly" mean? |
| 09:03:25 | amiconn | GodEater: On my windows box, it works properly when plugged directly into a root port. If I plug it into my hub, explorer hangs (probably trying to access the mini) until I pull the plug again |
| 09:03:36 | LinusN | oh |
| 09:04:10 | amiconn | If it mounts and data transfer is possible, that data is correct |
| 09:04:34 | amiconn | With fullspeed, I can plug it wherever I want, it always works |
| 09:04:42 | LinusN | i'd still file that under "unstable" :-) |
| 09:05:49 | GodEater | yeah |
| 09:06:02 | GodEater | I have my 5.5G plugged into a "hub" (monitor actually) |
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| 09:06:32 | GodEater | seems to have mounted fine too |
| 09:07:18 | amiconn | Is that a 2.0 hub? |
| 09:07:47 | GodEater | yes |
| 09:07:57 | GodEater | well - it appears to support high speed in any case |
| 09:08:05 | amiconn | Hmm, interesting |
| 09:08:08 | GodEater | the ehci module is the one which has picked up the device |
| 09:08:19 | GodEater | and I got around 5MB/s transfer speed on a read |
| 09:09:03 | LinusN | could it be a powered vs non powered hub issue? |
| 09:09:06 | amiconn | I compared highspeed transfer speed on my mini. On reading, rockbox is as fast as apple diskmode, on writing it manages ~70% of diskmode speed |
| 09:09:13 | amiconn | (if it works at all) |
| 09:10:19 | GodEater | I'm seeing resets in dmesg output on write attempts |
| 09:10:20 | amiconn | 2.1MB/s read. 1.4MB/s write (diskmode), 900kB/s write (rockbox). Well, this is just a microdrive.... |
| 09:11:53 | amiconn | My hub is powered |
| 09:14:37 | amiconn | There is one other (active) device connected to it: a printer |
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| 09:24:15 | JdGordon | does anyone think a funciton which stops all scrolling lines which fall in a viewports area, but are not part of that vp is a bad idea? |
| 09:26:35 | GodEater | you mean so they can't overwrite the viewports area ? |
| 09:26:49 | amiconn | It sound like something unnecessarily complex |
| 09:26:53 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 09:27:03 | GodEater | and do you mean "clip" ? |
| 09:27:11 | GodEater | or do you just mean "stop them scrolling" ? |
| 09:27:34 | JdGordon | im talking simple, so just checking if the line extends into the vp |
| 09:27:40 | JdGordon | and yes, force the lines to stop |
| 09:27:51 | JdGordon | atm, im beign forced to stop all scrolling when enetering the lists |
| 09:27:58 | amiconn | Active viewports shouldn't overlap, so this issue should not exist |
| 09:28:23 | GodEater | viewports all overlap the "master" viewport though |
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| 09:28:30 | GodEater | I thought that was the concept anyway ? |
| 09:28:41 | JdGordon | the issue is the wps scrolling lines still scroll in the list vp because the list doesnt know how to kill them by their vps |
| 09:30:07 | amiconn | I would think that if you switch from the wps to a list (browser, menu etc), the wps would be responsible for destroying its vp |
| 09:30:36 | JdGordon | thats a bad assumption because 99% of the screens cant do that right now |
| 09:31:05 | JdGordon | and that would add heaps of overhead, having to stop them at every exit point |
| 09:34:42 | * | JdGordon would _really_ like more testers for 8457 so any bugs can be sorted out before commiting..... |
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| 09:47:02 | LinusN | JdGordon: is the idea to have one .vp file per screen? |
| 09:48:04 | LinusN | or per widget? |
| 09:50:53 | JdGordon | its not a .vp anymore, just a ingle string saved in the .cfg |
| 09:51:01 | JdGordon | and umm.. per widget atm |
| 09:51:48 | LinusN | i see now, sorry for not paying attention |
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| 10:01:11 | kugel | Bagder: docs/COMMITTERS isn't in utf-8, is it? Shouldn't it be utf-8? |
| 10:01:46 | * | markun was also wondering about that |
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| 11:19:20 | mrkiko | Note that rockbox crashed again successfully within the FM tuner... |
| 11:19:39 | * | petur briefly mentions http://code.google.com/soc/2008/ |
| 11:21:38 | * | GodEater wonders how crashing can be described as "successful" |
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| 11:22:07 | GodEater | petur: do we have a project list yet ? |
| 11:22:51 | petur | there's a wiki page but it is mainly stuff of last year on it |
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| 11:24:25 | * | mrkiko doesn't know how a crash can be defined so, but he knows he is totally broken in his mind now... |
| 11:24:49 | mrkiko | aniway the virtual keyboard is having some problems ... some times. |
| 11:25:04 | GodEater | petur: I'm just reading that now |
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| 11:31:24 | GodEater | I think having some more client side tools as projects would be useful - to build the database for example. |
| 11:31:37 | GodEater | or to build the pictureflow cache for those people that use AA |
| 11:31:54 | * | GodEater stares despondently at his ipod screen as it struggles through doing that very task... |
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| 11:33:11 | GodEater | has the real time "text to speech" idea been abandoned ? |
| 11:33:22 | LinusN | not officially |
| 11:33:22 | GodEater | or do we just think submitting the same project two years running would be a bad idea ? |
| 11:33:58 | LinusN | one problem is the GPLv3 issue |
| 11:34:03 | GodEater | ah yes |
| 11:34:09 | GodEater | I'd forgotten that |
| 11:35:53 | GodEater | nothing really leaps out at me from the current list of project proposals as a killer "google would be mad not to accept this" project yet |
| 11:36:03 | GodEater | apart from maybe the Rockbox as App one |
| 11:36:48 | petur | indeed |
| 11:37:20 | petur | some viewport work would be nice (convert screens to use vp) |
| 11:38:42 | petur | and maybe somebody could redesign the fmradio screen |
| 11:38:59 | GodEater | it's been a long time since I used that |
| 11:39:16 | GodEater | I only have one target with radio, and it lives in my car, meaning I don't use the FM radio on it ever. |
| 11:39:22 | LinusN | i tried the Apple FM radio screen the other day - it's really nice and simple |
| 11:39:41 | amiconn | Apple FM radio screen? |
| 11:39:44 | LinusN | too simple for my taste, but it worked really nicely |
| 11:39:59 | LinusN | yes, the screen you get with the Apple FM remote control |
| 11:40:56 | amiconn | Hmm, actually I have no idea how that fm remote works in conjunction with the main device |
| 11:40:58 | LinusN | it's easy to design a nice gui when you don't have to support multiple themes and font sizes... |
| 11:41:11 | amiconn | Rather odd way of providing fm radio support imho |
| 11:41:23 | LinusN | definitely, but it works |
| 11:43:12 | petur | maybe the WPS idea should be expanded to REC and FM screens... or all screens? |
| 11:44:16 | LinusN | there once was this idea of a template concept |
| 11:44:34 | * | petur is annoyed by the mp3 resume glitch |
| 11:44:44 | LinusN | the nasty noise? |
| 11:44:49 | petur | yes |
| 11:44:58 | LinusN | yeah, i hate it |
| 11:45:18 | petur | can't believe it hasn't been fixed yet |
| 11:46:00 | LinusN | most bugs don't fix themselves |
| 11:46:18 | barrywardell | any objections/comments about this: http://pastebin.com/m129e1e60 |
| 11:46:29 | * | amiconn doesn't know about a nasty noise |
| 11:46:31 | petur | I know, but this is core functionality... |
| 11:46:33 | barrywardell | it boosts the cpu frequency to max in the sansa bootloader |
| 11:46:51 | amiconn | That is, I do, but not regarding mp3 |
| 11:46:52 | petur | amiconn: resume an mp3 and there's some noise before playback starts |
| 11:47:00 | amiconn | Never noticed... |
| 11:47:17 | LinusN | i have noticed it on my X5 |
| 11:47:22 | barrywardell | should it apply to all other PP bootloaders? |
| 11:47:27 | LinusN | but only when you resume directly after boot |
| 11:48:21 | * | amiconn thinks bootloaders should never set cpufreq to maximum |
| 11:48:43 | GodEater | iPhone ? |
| 11:50:03 | LinusN | i also think bootloaders should stay safe |
| 11:50:35 | barrywardell | what's wrong with it? the of bootloders do it |
| 11:51:38 | barrywardell | and it speeds up the e200 bootloader a lot when it's used as a replacement for the of bootloader |
| 11:56:39 | amiconn | LinusN: I would like the coldfire bootloaders to set cpufreq to normal instead of keeping the slow 11MHz |
| 11:56:49 | amiconn | But not maximum, of course |
| 11:57:17 | LinusN | i can go with that |
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| 11:58:05 | barrywardell | the sansa starts up at 24MHz and when the OF bootloader is done, it's at 80MHz |
| 11:58:38 | barrywardell | amiconn: what's wrong with maximum? |
| 11:59:11 | amiconn | If the bootloader hangs, the cpu would be locked at maximum frequency, draining a lot of power, producing heat etc |
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| 12:00:10 | polaroid | i just installed rockbox on my ipod, and it runs great; however, when i plug it into my computer (x64 windows vista ultimate) it crashed my computer and brings me to the blue screen of death. advice? |
| 12:00:50 | Bagder | polaroid: get a better OS on your pc? |
| 12:01:37 | polaroid | i wish |
| 12:01:42 | polaroid | its a laptop |
| 12:01:52 | polaroid | id install linux but backing up is a bitch |
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| 12:02:15 | Bagder | well, it's not really Rockbox's fault your OS is crap... |
| 12:02:28 | polaroid | yeah |
| 12:02:39 | polaroid | but id still like to know if anybody else is having the same issue |
| 12:02:47 | gevaerts | polaroid: go back to an earlier build. Builds up to and including 2008-02-22 don't cause the problem |
| 12:02:50 | LinusN | well, rockbox isn't exactly nice to the usb host as it is now |
| 12:03:39 | Bagder | well, an OS shouldn't go bazoom anyway |
| 12:03:53 | barrywardell | amiconn: if the bootloader hangs, it will be draining power regardless of the frequency, so maybe it's a bit worse, but imho not much |
| 12:04:14 | amiconn | It's much worse.... |
| 12:04:19 | polaroid | id do that if i could plug it in T_T |
| 12:04:23 | polaroid | but thank you |
| 12:04:28 | amiconn | Did you ever try keeping a small H10 at 80MHz for a while? |
| 12:04:29 | Bagder | oh right |
| 12:04:32 | gevaerts | The problem seems to be triggered by a change in the usb serial number that rockbox sends back. It starts at r16374 |
| 12:04:35 | amiconn | It becomes hot... |
| 12:04:42 | Bagder | polaroid: but you can use the OF for it |
| 12:04:48 | gevaerts | polaroid: boot into emergency disk mode, that should work |
| 12:04:58 | polaroid | 0f? emergency disk mode? |
| 12:05:10 | barrywardell | amiconn: hmm. ok. heat is more serious |
| 12:05:20 | Bagder | I find it hilarious that a bad usb id crashes vista... |
| 12:05:30 | polaroid | me too XD |
| 12:05:37 | polaroid | still pretty annoying though |
| 12:06:04 | polaroid | what is an 0f? |
| 12:06:10 | polaroid | OF* |
| 12:06:19 | polaroid | and how do i boot into emergency disk mode |
| 12:07:05 | gevaerts | polaroid: it should be in the rockbox manual somewhere. I can't help more, as I don't have an ipod |
| 12:07:10 | polaroid | okay |
| 12:07:14 | polaroid | thank you |
| 12:07:45 | barrywardell | amiconn: but how likely is it that the bootloader will hang without the user noticing? |
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| 12:08:07 | SSnake | hi all |
| 12:10:14 | gevaerts | Can someone with an ipod, linux and recent svn check if the serial number actually is ok ? |
| 12:13:48 | barrywardell | amiconn: the current rockbox sansa bootloader runs at 80MHz (and probably all the PP ones) and there have been no reports of problems |
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| 12:34:31 | markun | hi SSnake |
| 12:35:11 | SSnake | hi markun :> |
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| 12:38:44 | markun | SSnake: I thought maybe you had a question and were waiting for someone to respond.. |
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| 12:43:14 | SSnake | well,yes i had a question...about google SoC, but i asked directly to a developer |
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| 12:45:37 | * | amiconn only noticed yesterday that he caught an interesting svn revision on Saturday :) |
| 12:45:48 | Bagder | http://code.google.com/soc/2008 |
| 12:46:01 | Bagder | "Google Summer of Code 2008 is on!" |
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| 12:47:08 | SSnake | anyone else interested in SoC? |
| 12:47:18 | Bagder | I think a lot of us are |
| 12:47:26 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/02/22/rockbox-on-gsoc-2008/ |
| 12:48:08 | GodEater | I think we need some more inspiring project ideas |
| 12:48:18 | Bagder | yes |
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| 12:49:19 | * | amiconn likes the GSoC idea, but won't use anything from Google that requires registration |
| 12:50:30 | Bagder | you use code that comes as a result of gsoc... :-) |
| 12:53:57 | amiconn | That doesn't require *me* to register with google.... |
| 12:54:02 | LinusN | what kind of registration do you mean? |
| 12:54:36 | Bagder | LinusN: the mentors and students need to register |
| 12:54:41 | Bagder | and amiconn is paranoid |
| 12:54:48 | LinusN | of course they have to register |
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| 12:55:23 | LinusN | you can't expect google to hand out piles of money to anonymous strangers |
| 12:58:21 | amiconn | I don't think I'm paranoid. Of course I understand that I have to register if it's about money. |
| 12:58:48 | GodEater | amiconn isn't paranoid, google really *are* out to get him |
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| 13:00:04 | Bagder | gsoc is about money |
| 13:01:40 | mrkiko | My h340 suffers of the resume glitch,, but I never signaled it - I'm tired of speaking about rockbox problems. So much good people is working on rockbox. |
| 13:01:53 | * | GodEater would like to think GSOC is about helping open source projects. Money is just the way to acheive it.... |
| 13:04:38 | GodEater | I think it's a shame amiconn refuses to register too :( - I think he'd make a great mentor. |
| 13:04:58 | barrywardell | some interesting statistics on sansa boot time using various bootloaders: http://pastebin.com/m984cafa |
| 13:05:28 | * | barrywardell is hoping that they will persuade amiconn and LinusN that running the rockbox bootloader at 80MHz is a good idea |
| 13:05:56 | * | Bagder is with barrywardell on this |
| 13:08:35 | * | mrkiko is crashing |
| 13:08:51 | daurnimator | i would do gsoc |
| 13:08:56 | daurnimator | but I'm not 18 |
| 13:09:25 | amiconn | barrywardell: Sansa is PP5022/5024, so heat might not be that big an issue. But H10 and several iPods are PP5020, and heat definitely is an issue on those |
| 13:10:51 | barrywardell | amiconn: on my H10, at least, the bootloader already runs at 80MHz. I can't comment on the iPods because I don't have one |
| 13:11:45 | barrywardell | amiconn: for the time being, I'm only proposing setting the cpu frequency on sansa since that's the only place we can safely replace the bootloader |
| 13:11:52 | gevaerts | amiconn: speaking of heat, could you try high-speed usb on the H10 with the trigger_boost() calls from usb_storage.c removed ? It doesn't work at all any more on my c250. |
| 13:12:51 | * | gevaerts means high speed doesn't work at all any more without boost |
| 13:14:30 | amiconn | barrywardell: I'm not concerned about regular bootloader operation, as that's just a few seconds. But imho the bootloader should stay safe even if it locks up for whatever reason (broken hdd ...) |
| 13:18:06 | barrywardell | amiconn: yes, but making sure the sansa bootloader runs at 80MHz is not really changning the current behaviour |
| 13:18:45 | amiconn | Iiuc it is |
| 13:18:55 | barrywardell | amiconn: and I think it's far more likely that rockbox could freeze while boosted which would be the same problem |
| 13:20:13 | gevaerts | Is there anyone here who can reproduce the Vista BSOD issue and can try a test build ? |
| 13:20:17 | barrywardell | the sansa of bootloader leaves the device running at 80MHz when it starts the rb bootloader, so that's what I mean by it not changing the current behavious |
| 13:20:21 | fyrestorm | gevaerts |
| 13:20:36 | fyrestorm | i'll try it out |
| 13:22:07 | * | gevaerts is waiting for a slow upload to finish |
| 13:22:39 | amiconn | barrywardell: It is, because right now if the sansa loader would hang, it would not start the rockbox bootloader at all. So if it acts up, it would not be the rb bootloader's fault if something goes seriously wrong |
| 13:23:01 | gevaerts | fyrestorm: wget gevaerts/rockbox-noserial.zip">http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/rockbox-noserial.zip |
| 13:23:20 | fyrestorm | got it |
| 13:23:29 | * | gevaerts typed one word too much, and hopes Bagder won't get angry about it |
| 13:23:59 | amiconn | gevaerts: Not before tonight |
| 13:24:11 | gevaerts | amiconn: ok. |
| 13:24:18 | barrywardell | amiconn: but if the rockbox bootloader hangs, we're still running at 80MHz and it is the rb bootloader's fault if something goes seriously wrong |
| 13:24:19 | pixelma | is the recent svn table on the frontpage gone for somebody else? |
| 13:24:26 | amiconn | gevaerts: Do you already have an idea (aka, checked with the usb tracer) what could be the cause of the hub problem? |
| 13:24:44 | fyrestorm | barrywardell: yes |
| 13:24:56 | gevaerts | amiconn: not yet. I hope to get to it later today |
| 13:27:37 | fyrestorm | gevaerts: no bsod |
| 13:27:51 | * | Bagder looks at gevaerts and hrmpfs ;-) |
| 13:28:06 | gevaerts | fyrestorm: thanks. That confirms the serial number theory. |
| 13:28:22 | * | gevaerts promises he will try to change his old habits some day |
| 13:28:25 | fyrestorm | just tried it on vista 32 |
| 13:28:38 | fyrestorm | if i disappear now |
| 13:28:44 | fyrestorm | on my 64 bit |
| 13:28:47 | fyrestorm | XD |
| 13:29:13 | fyrestorm | yeah we're good |
| 13:33:00 | petur | pixelma: yes, it seems gone... |
| 13:33:22 | petur | Zagor probably fixed it :) |
| 13:33:45 | gevaerts | So the Vista BSOD problem is definitely triggered by something in the USB serial number. Any objections to disabling the serial number if USE_ROCKBOX_USB is not set ? That will make Vista users running the daily builds happy until we have a real fix |
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| 13:34:13 | fyrestorm | no objection :P |
| 13:36:56 | GodEater | and while we're at it, send a note to Bill, c/o Microsoft, congratulating him on such a highly strung OS ? |
| 13:37:16 | fyrestorm | gg |
| 13:37:28 | Zagor | it's great being able to BSOD any demo computer by just plugging in rockbox :) |
| 13:37:33 | GodEater | yep |
| 13:37:44 | fyrestorm | make it an option. |
| 13:37:53 | * | GodEater resolves to walk through Dixons and Currys and murder all the laptops on display |
| 13:38:01 | Zagor | if UP is pressed, crash host :) |
| 13:43:44 | amiconn | XP has no problem with rockbox' usb serial number |
| 13:44:01 | amiconn | Perhaps vista doesn't expect a 40-char serial number? |
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| 13:45:37 | gevaerts | amiconn: this specific commit went back to minimal-length serials, so 16 digits for ipods |
| 13:45:59 | gevaerts | Can anyone check if the serial number looks reasonable using lsusb ? |
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| 13:48:46 | webguest62 | hello!i am porting rockbox to meizu m6.i need some help.after decrypting original frimware i need to dissembely this file and read the ARM dissembelycode.but i can find anywhere arm dissemlyer.could you give me a link our have a look on this code? |
| 13:54:42 | GodEater | webguest62: the GNU objdump utility will disassemble arm code in a very rudimentary manner, or you can pay for IDA pro, which does a much better job, but costs money. |
| 13:55:14 | Bagder | there's also an arm disassembler in the rockbox source code tree |
| 13:57:37 | webguest62 | <Bagder>where is this? |
| 13:58:06 | Bagder | rockbox/utils/disassembler/arm/ |
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| 14:02:32 | webguest62 | i cant gind it.could you give me a link on utils? |
| 14:04:51 | GodEater | there isn't a "link" to it |
| 14:04:56 | GodEater | you need to checkout the rockbox source tree |
| 14:05:00 | petur | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/utils/disassembler/arm/ |
| 14:05:02 | GodEater | and find it in there on your local machine |
| 14:05:08 | * | petur proves there is a link :p |
| 14:06:34 | * | barrywardell creates FS #8642 to discuss the sansa bootloader and boot cpu frequency issue |
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| 14:33:21 | hcs | It's really stunning how different the icons make things feel. |
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| 14:39:28 | billenium | My Database has been building for 4 minutes :P and its staying at 453 Files :( |
| 14:41:54 | billenium | Is this an error? |
| 14:42:05 | zedd_D1abl1 | are there any movies? |
| 14:42:51 | billenium | No |
| 14:43:10 | zedd_D1abl1 | is that all the files on your RockBox player? |
| 14:43:15 | billenium | Oh its an iPod Nano |
| 14:43:27 | billenium | I'm not 100 percent sure, but i think it is |
| 14:44:00 | billenium | Hold on, im going to check :) |
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| 14:44:43 | zedd_D1abl1 | then it's probably tying off the end of the database etc. I'm not too sure as my Gigabeat took about 20-odd seconds then told me to shutdown and restart. |
| 14:46:59 | billenium | hmmm.. |
| 14:47:37 | zedd_D1abl1 | I'd hold off hard resetting for a little bit |
| 14:47:56 | GodEater | it's possible it has choked on a bad tag in a file too |
| 14:48:04 | GodEater | in which case resetting might be your only choice |
| 14:48:14 | billenium | :\ |
| 14:48:18 | billenium | Well brb... |
| 14:48:22 | zedd_D1abl1 | yeah. leave it another minute then hard-reset |
| 14:48:53 | GodEater | there are a lot of people out there with badly tagged music. At some point our database code should get round to handling that ;) |
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| 14:49:21 | zedd_D1abl1 | well at least some people tag their music. I know mine by intro only |
| 14:50:43 | * | GodEater has no idea what that means |
| 14:51:23 | zedd_D1abl1 | None of my music has proper tags |
| 14:52:29 | GodEater | it can be a fairly daunting task to remedy that if you have a large music collection too |
| 14:52:43 | GodEater | I ended up using musicbrainz to sort mine out once and for all about a month ago |
| 14:52:47 | GodEater | took me a week =. |
| 14:53:48 | zedd_D1abl1 | I used musicbrainz for about 30 minutes, then it named AC/DC "Shoot to thrill" -> "She's my girl" and I decided it wasn't too accurate |
| 14:54:44 | billenium | lol... |
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| 14:56:49 | GodEater | interesting - I don't think it mistagged any of my music |
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| 14:57:06 | GodEater | there were some it didn't know tags for (so it gave them none) - but for the most part is was very accurate |
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| 14:58:01 | zedd_D1abl1 | Maybe mine was just a really crappy encode. that was before I started using Ubuntu as my main OS, RockBox on my Gigabeat and FLAC as my encoding of choice |
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| 15:00:08 | billenium | is there anything like iTunes for linux? |
| 15:00:23 | GodEater | gtkpod |
| 15:00:23 | zedd_D1abl1 | XMMS seems to be the one most people use |
| 15:00:33 | GodEater | XMMS is so out of date it's not funnt |
| 15:00:37 | GodEater | *funny |
| 15:00:37 | Nico_P | billenium: amarok |
| 15:00:48 | billenium | okay |
| 15:00:50 | zedd_D1abl1 | i honestly wouldn't know, I use Rhythmboz |
| 15:00:57 | zedd_D1abl1 | Rhythmbox* |
| 15:01:15 | billenium | Well i need a way for it to put it on my iPod like iTunes does (tags and right placement...) |
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| 15:01:17 | GodEater | it depends which features of iTunes you're after when you ask that too |
| 15:01:28 | GodEater | billenium: then gtkpod or amarok are what you want |
| 15:01:32 | zedd_D1abl1 | yeah |
| 15:01:51 | zedd_D1abl1 | although with RockBox you should be able to just drop them on there IIRC |
| 15:01:51 | GodEater | XMMS definitely doesn't do that |
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| 15:02:08 | GodEater | zedd_D1abl1: yes, but then he can't play tracks back in the OF |
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| 15:02:24 | zedd_D1abl1 | who uses OF once they've got RockBox? |
| 15:02:36 | Hodapp | Does Rockbox have any funky plugins that support ratings or anything? I don't really even know what normal iPod firmware does because I had it replaced after 2 1/2 hours |
| 15:02:46 | GodEater | zedd_D1abl1: lots of people |
| 15:03:02 | GodEater | Hodapp: Rockbox does ratings itself - no plugin required |
| 15:03:08 | Hodapp | Cool. |
| 15:03:13 | Hodapp | I suppose I should be RTFMing about now. |
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| 15:07:47 | krazykit | yeah, you really should be Hodapp :) |
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| 15:17:01 | Soul-Burn | Bug: Ipod photo. reset and load original firmware. reset to rockbox. shut down. wait for about an hour. loading the player hangs with a "low power" symbol tho there's more than enough juice |
| 15:17:21 | GodEater | Soul-Burn: yes - this is a well know bug in the apple flash bootloader |
| 15:17:49 | GodEater | i.e. nothing whatsoever to do with Rockbox |
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| 16:10:48 | pondlife | Thanks to whichever Swede put the revision number into the frontpage table.. any chance the same could happen to the last 4 weeks, since 2.5 and the (still mysteriously arbitrary AFAIK) since Aug 1st 2006 tables? |
| 16:11:15 | * | pondlife would prefer a last 6 months instead of 1st Aug 2006.... |
| 16:11:28 | petur | :) |
| 16:13:26 | pondlife | Also thanks to Lear, that was a mighty good commit |
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| 16:15:35 | Nico_P | indeed it was |
| 16:15:48 | pondlife | Green delta, simpler code and about 10 fixed bugs |
| 16:15:53 | pondlife | Bargain |
| 16:16:19 | pondlife | Nico_P: I almost sent your drive on Saturday but got to the post office too late and it had shut. |
| 16:16:31 | Nico_P | apparently there are still some resume issue left, aren't there? |
| 16:16:38 | pondlife | I don't think so |
| 16:16:57 | pondlife | The bookmark issue has been fixed for one person at least |
| 16:17:10 | Nico_P | when do you think you'll have another shot at it (the HD)? |
| 16:17:12 | Nico_P | cool |
| 16:18:03 | pondlife | It's sat here all labelled and ready, but I don't have a car during the week, and the nearest p/o is 35 mins walk. So, probably Sat morning |
| 16:18:40 | pondlife | Or I might fix my bike :) |
| 16:19:23 | amiconn | Nico_P: So far it looks like Lear's additional commit fixed the flac resume issue. At least it didn't happen again in the folder where I got it before |
| 16:19:37 | Nico_P | amiconn: good news :) |
| 16:19:55 | pondlife | It seems to have made startup faster here. |
| 16:20:44 | pondlife | Although I did seem to have a very short battery life on Sat evening, about 6 hours... |
| 16:20:54 | pondlife | I'm currently running a battery bench |
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| 16:22:01 | petur | now for the mp3 resume bug.... |
| 16:22:20 | Nico_P | petur: what's that one? |
| 16:22:37 | pondlife | The noise? |
| 16:22:42 | petur | yes |
| 16:22:47 | pondlife | petur: Do you have crossfade on? |
| 16:22:55 | petur | 8498 |
| 16:22:59 | Nico_P | ah yes |
| 16:23:02 | petur | no crossfade |
| 16:23:31 | pondlife | I've had it happen, but not reproducible. Also it didn't seem related to first play after boot. |
| 16:23:47 | pondlife | As in, when it happened, I could stop and play and get a burst of noise each time |
| 16:23:55 | pondlife | On H380 |
| 16:24:16 | pondlife | I've not had it happen on Gigabeat F20, or sim. |
| 16:25:10 | pondlife | (I expect logbot won't like this, but here goes.) I've not had it since Lear's commit though. |
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| 16:51:44 | petur | I think Zagor is |
| 16:52:14 | * | pondlife considers an H300 bootloader with CPU boosted... |
| 16:53:12 | petur | what for? |
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| 16:53:48 | pondlife | Did you see the speed improvement on Sansa - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8642 |
| 16:54:01 | brainwreck | that was going to be my question haha |
| 16:54:17 | pondlife | We boost fairly quickly after boot anyway |
| 16:55:02 | pondlife | I'd be interested to see if it makes such a noticable difference on Coldfire. |
| 16:55:03 | amiconn | Read today's log, around noon |
| 16:55:37 | amiconn | I wouldn't want our bootloader to switch to cpufreq_max for safety reasons |
| 16:55:55 | amiconn | The coldfire bootloaders should switch to cpufreq_normal though, imho |
| 16:56:43 | pondlife | I agree with barrywardell that a lockup during playback/buffering (when boosted and potentially unattended) is more likely than during boot. |
| 16:57:39 | pondlife | I've had a locked/boosted H340 with no pin handy in the past too. It gets a little warm, but no smoke ;) |
| 16:58:05 | * | petur knows the feeling |
| 16:58:20 | petur | running back inside for a paperclip |
| 16:58:36 | pondlife | I was on the motorway, 80 miles from home |
| 16:58:48 | pondlife | In a hire vehicle... |
| 16:59:16 | petur | I now have a paperclip hidden behind the silicon skin ;) |
| 16:59:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | petur: Always come prepared. :) |
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| 17:00:10 | pondlife | At one point, I was considering fitting a reset button. But luckily Rockbox became much more stable. |
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| 17:03:13 | amiconn | On H300 we could activate the PCF poweroff safety measure. Would be a little illogical because you could then switch off the H300 by holding ON for a while, but still better when being stuck without a paperclip... |
| 17:03:33 | pondlife | How long to hold? |
| 17:04:00 | amiconn | 8 seconds iirc |
| 17:04:07 | pondlife | That would be good, IMHO |
| 17:04:12 | amiconn | But if rockbox is responsive, we can reset the timer |
| 17:04:37 | amiconn | So even an extended hold wouldn't switch it off by accident, as long as rockbox didn't lock up |
| 17:04:49 | * | pondlife wonders why Iriver bothered with the reset button hardware, given this exists... |
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| 17:05:45 | * | petur boots OF to see if they implemented it |
| 17:06:12 | pondlife | 8 seconds is plenty long. I don't think it's likely to be triggered by accident (although I don't suppose it could respect the hold switch). |
| 17:06:31 | pondlife | I guess putting it into a pocket might push/hold PLAY, but it's unlikely. |
| 17:07:09 | amiconn | pondlife: Probably they just took over the "proven design" from H1x0 |
| 17:07:24 | petur | of doesn't shutdown after 8 secons... |
| 17:07:36 | petur | +d |
| 17:07:46 | pondlife | seconsd ? |
| 17:08:04 | * | petur kicks pondlife |
| 17:08:10 | * | pondlife drops his beer :( |
| 17:09:10 | pondlife | I guess I'm just itching to try the SVN bootloader again, and boosting the CPU to max seems like a good way to add a bit of thrill risk. |
| 17:09:59 | petur | which reminds me I was going to find out why SVN fails on my h380 sometimes |
| 17:10:03 | * | LambdaCalculus37 gives pondlife another beer |
| 17:10:11 | pondlife | Cheers! |
| 17:10:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | Cheers! |
| 17:11:29 | GodEater | who put "file transfers are now supported" on to MajorChanges? Seems a bit premature given it's not enabled in the current automated builds |
| 17:12:32 | midgey | GodEater: it was Nico_P |
| 17:13:00 | linuxstb | GodEater: I was just thinking the same - IMO we should remove that line |
| 17:13:13 | GodEater | me too |
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| 17:13:37 | Nico_P | maybe just add something about it still being experimental and not enabled by default |
| 17:14:01 | GodEater | I think we should just hold off on it at all until it's supported in the same way everything else in MajorChanges is "supported" |
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| 17:18:40 | brainwreck | i am loving RB on the sansa e200. I am wondering if there is a way to get RockBoy to run faster or if there has been any optimisation of that ? |
| 17:19:19 | GodEater | brainwreck: you've set the frameskip option already ? |
| 17:19:35 | brainwreck | i set the skip to 3 i think |
| 17:19:50 | midgey | brainwreck: start programming and make it run on both cores and use the assembly core from iboy |
| 17:20:10 | linuxstb | Nico_P: IMO, the MajorChanges page is for users to see when new features are implemented. As the new USB driver isn't enabled in official builds, I don't think it's worth mentioning at all. |
| 17:20:25 | * | GodEater agress again |
| 17:20:30 | GodEater | and agrees too |
| 17:21:49 | * | petur counts to 5 before editing that topic himself |
| 17:21:58 | Nico_P | true, but it did get mentioned once ("2007-11-23: Initial USB Stack for PortalPlayer 502X based devices") |
| 17:22:38 | petur | it did change charging behaviour |
| 17:22:52 | GodEater | yep |
| 17:22:56 | GodEater | so was worth mentioning then |
| 17:22:57 | Nico_P | oh, didn't know that |
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| 17:23:56 | petur | 5 |
| 17:26:26 | amiconn | 11 |
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| 17:27:43 | webguest13 | hello |
| 17:27:43 | GodEater | you were counting to 11 for what ? |
| 17:27:54 | * | GodEater applauds the MajorChanges wikioverlord and his actions |
| 17:28:01 | webguest13 | question about tockbox |
| 17:28:06 | webguest13 | rockbox |
| 17:28:12 | GodEater | can't wait |
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| 17:29:45 | webguest13 | is this where we ask help for on rockbox? |
| 17:29:58 | fyrestorm | im getting random shutdowns and totally battery drains on my ipod when scanning a new database |
| 17:30:13 | GodEater | fyrestorm: let it charge more before you use it ? |
| 17:30:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | webguest13: What's your question? |
| 17:30:20 | fyrestorm | fully charged. |
| 17:30:28 | GodEater | then sounds like you need a new battery |
| 17:30:32 | fyrestorm | its not really random |
| 17:30:36 | petur | webguest13: unless it is mentioned in the manual/wiki... |
| 17:30:42 | fyrestorm | but it happens everytime |
| 17:30:59 | GodEater | fyrestorm: I repeat, sounds like you need a new battery then |
| 17:31:05 | fyrestorm | hrm |
| 17:31:09 | webguest13 | i got rockbox up and running on my ipod, but when I look at the file structure with a file manager (like midnight commander) I cannot see any of the rockbox files |
| 17:31:32 | GodEater | webguest13: presumably it hides files starting with a "." then |
| 17:31:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Beat me. :) |
| 17:32:14 | webguest13 | no I do see files from podzila (I installed ipodlinux earlier) |
| 17:32:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | webguest13: Linux (and Unix) hide files and folders that begin with a "." |
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| 17:32:31 | GodEater | webguest13: what's that got to do with rockbox ? |
| 17:33:16 | webguest13 | I was trying to add a wad file to the doom game by manually dragging it there but can't seem to find any files |
| 17:33:26 | preglow | webguest13: if you've got rockbox running well, then they're there, simple as that that, look for .rockbox at the root |
| 17:34:36 | * | LambdaCalculus37 tries to remember if Midnight Commander had a hidden file view option |
| 17:34:49 | * | preglow never liked any of the commanders |
| 17:34:52 | webguest13 | I do see .rockbox at /media/.rockbox but there isn't anything in it |
| 17:35:07 | preglow | webguest13: then you don't have a working rockbox install |
| 17:35:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | webguest13: Download and reinstall again. |
| 17:36:11 | preglow | webguest13: and make sure to remove the "rockbox.ipod" file it sounds you have placed at the root directory after you have installed again |
| 17:36:13 | webguest13 | when I unplug my ipod, rockbox comes up and I can play some of the games |
| 17:36:37 | preglow | webguest13: well, ok, then something is awfully wrong, you can't play games if .rockbox is empty |
| 17:37:19 | webguest13 | yes midnight commander has a hidden file option and i have it enabled |
| 17:37:27 | preglow | those games are placed in .rockbox/rocks/, and you sure as hell can't play anything if that directory does not exist |
| 17:37:32 | webguest13 | yes preglow I know it is freaking weird |
| 17:37:58 | preglow | well, screw midnight commander, use "cd" and "ls" |
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| 17:38:15 | webguest13 | maybe I should remove all the ipod linux (non-existant rockbox files) and reinstall rockbox from there |
| 17:38:25 | preglow | and it sounds like you're doing something weird, you shouldn't be looking in /media/.rockbox, you should be looking in /media/IPODNAMEHERE/.rockbox |
| 17:38:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | webguest13: Yes, good idea. |
| 17:38:37 | webguest13 | lol preglow |
| 17:41:24 | webguest13 | ok I'll do that then and see what happens. Ok if and when I get rockbox installed with viewable files, how would I add playlist etc so the databse finds them |
| 17:41:52 | preglow | reading the manual would be a good start |
| 17:42:00 | preglow | also, the db doesn't deal in playlists as far as i know |
| 17:42:06 | GodEater | nope it doesn't |
| 17:42:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | webguest13: Our manual has many answers, and is your best friend. |
| 17:42:39 | webguest13 | I have read the manual (probably too fast) so I will do that again. Thanks for the help |
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| 17:45:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | webguest13: Always remember: Read the manual. If what you're looking for isn't there, THEN come see us. |
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| 17:46:35 | webguest13 | now I see what happened |
| 17:47:02 | webguest13 | rockbox was installed on the Apple partition of the IPOD |
| 17:47:45 | webguest13 | when I deleted all of the old ipodlinux install I could see the rockbox files |
| 17:49:08 | webguest13 | question? I should be able to run the rbutil from my home directory in my linux box? I don't need to have the rbutil on my ipod, correct? |
| 17:49:41 | GodEater | correct |
| 17:49:44 | LambdaCalculus27 | webguest13: Yes. |
| 17:49:59 | webguest13 | cool, thanks |
| 17:50:10 | GodEater | is that not clear in the manual ? |
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| 17:51:11 | webguest13 | well anything new (install rockbox etc) can sem confusing and the install directions were either that or just to damn easy |
| 17:51:40 | GodEater | I didn't understand that sentence |
| 17:51:44 | GodEater | is it clear or not ? |
| 17:51:47 | webguest13 | no |
| 17:51:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | What wasn't clear about the instructions? |
| 17:52:00 | GodEater | right thanks :) |
| 17:52:07 | GodEater | what would you prefer to have read to make it clear ? |
| 17:52:17 | GodEater | then we can change it |
| 17:54:07 | webguest13 | the instructions on the automatic install tell you what it does and directs you to the rbutil then thats it. It would helpful if after that, you have some very basic, simple, clear install instructions |
| 17:54:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | webguest13: RBUtil has well labeled buttons, and it shouldn't take too much guesswork to say "Oh, so this button does this" and "That button does that". |
| 17:55:19 | webguest13 | Ex: 1. Download the rbutil from here (link). 2. Extrct the file using (whatever) to you home directory. 3. Make (file) executable by (instructions) |
| 17:55:33 | brainwreck | I was absolutely amazed at how seemless the install was |
| 17:55:42 | brainwreck | i was expecting to have to go through contortions |
| 17:56:03 | brainwreck | congratz on a very slick open source product ! |
| 17:56:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | brainwreck: Thank you very much. :) |
| 17:56:20 | webguest13 | well not everyone has the same inteligence as others |
| 17:56:23 | * | LambdaCalculus37 gives brainwreck a cookie for his kind words |
| 17:56:33 | brainwreck | ... the sansa software is ridiculous. so nice to have it replaced |
| 17:56:45 | webguest13 | I too thought it is an easy install once I got the util to get going |
| 17:56:55 | brainwreck | GodEater do you happen to know what the best frameskip number would be for Rockboy on the sansaE200 ? |
| 17:57:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | webguest13: Can you run the util right now? |
| 17:57:18 | webguest13 | and I am not knocking it, it is fantastic, just trying to offer some info on my experience with it |
| 17:57:23 | brainwreck | midkay I am a decent programmer ... have other people done this deal with iBoy already ? |
| 17:58:42 | cars | Webguest13: One thing I noticed while installing with rbutil was that it wasn't immediately clear which option to choose when clicking the complete install button when the dialog comes up saying something like ""Ipod firmware is working and up−−to-date. Do you want to replace it?" |
| 17:58:54 | brainwreck | oh it was midgey and he left |
| 17:59:48 | brainwreck | there was something with RButil where an FAQ was saying NOT to use the full install button |
| 18:00 |
| 18:00:06 | brainwreck | but instead to use the Bootloader and then Install buttons seperately on the second tab |
| 18:00:25 | brainwreck | bootloader installer* |
| 18:00:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | brainwreck: Thanks for pointing that out. |
| 18:00:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | webguest13: Do you see what brainwreck just mentioned? Did you use that install method? |
| 18:01:01 | brainwreck | yeah now that i think about it that was the snag I ran into with RButil |
| 18:01:13 | webguest13 | the softare is fantstic, the install instructions are good but I think what is missing is a very simple 1. 2. 3. set of instructions at the end of the automatic install info |
| 18:01:33 | webguest13 | ah ok thanks agin |
| 18:01:43 | brainwreck | well those instructions are there ... but then you find out they are wrong for the time being from the FAQ |
| 18:01:44 | brainwreck | hehe |
| 18:02:02 | brainwreck | i think that will all be fixed in due time, judging by how solid the rest of it is |
| 18:02:16 | cars | I echo webguest13's praise. Other than a weird specific 2gen Ipod issue, I have had no problems, given that this is rapidly changing experimental software. |
| 18:02:43 | webguest13 | I am uninstalling the rockbox install from my ipod and gonna do I complete fresh install |
| 18:03:08 | webguest13 | it is taking a while to uninstall the bootloader |
| 18:03:24 | webguest13 | it's just siting there on 0% |
| 18:03:30 | brainwreck | midgey left.. does anyone else have any input about using iBoy with RB on a SansaE200 ? |
| 18:04:15 | webguest13 | bbl gotta run to the store, anyone want anything |
| 18:06:12 | brainwreck | and he said " both cores " ... I did not think the sansa had multiple cores |
| 18:06:43 | Bagder | brainwreck: it does |
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| 18:06:57 | Bagder | brainwreck: and iboy is ipl, not rockbox |
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| 18:07:27 | brainwreck | ipod linux yeah. someone was suggesting porting part of it or something |
| 18:07:50 | Bagder | sure, that should indeed be possible |
| 18:08:11 | brainwreck | "<midgey> brainwreck: start programming and make it run on both cores and use the assembly core from iboy" |
| 18:08:31 | Bagder | sounds like a fair summary ;-) |
| 18:09:00 | brainwreck | i do not know squack about assembly haha |
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| 18:10:55 | brainwreck | i bet if ' make it run on both cores' were a quick task it would have been done by now |
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| 18:12:00 | Bagder | brainwreck: not necessarily |
| 18:12:15 | Bagder | I don't think many people care for rockboy or bothers much about improving it |
| 18:12:19 | * | Bagder runs off |
| 18:12:22 | GodEater | brainwreck: yeah - we only have one vaguely interested developer for rockboy |
| 18:12:30 | GodEater | and I've not seen him for months |
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| 18:13:38 | brainwreck | hmmm... the pacbox plug is really neat |
| 18:13:50 | brainwreck | is there a way to get other roms running on that ? |
| 18:14:02 | brainwreck | or is it pacman only |
| 18:14:32 | brainwreck | that plug appears to run at full speed |
| 18:14:45 | GodEater | pacman only |
| 18:17:53 | GodEater | Llorean thinks RBUtil needs it's *own* manual ? |
| 18:17:59 | GodEater | wow - it must be really complicated now |
| 18:19:12 | * | Domonoky thinks rbutil doesnt need a manual, it needs more work ! :-) |
| 18:19:39 | brainwreck | GodEater haha |
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| 18:20:12 | brainwreck | well... its not complex but at least for my install it does not function correctly and I had to resort to the FAQ for a workaround |
| 18:20:16 | GodEater | well Llorean wouldn't say that if he didn't mean it |
| 18:20:20 | brainwreck | which aint so bad,,, I was expecting way worse |
| 18:20:54 | gevaerts | Putting the usb tracer between my laptop and my sansa makes the ehci errors go away. Since the tracer should act as a repeater (at most), this might point to a signal quality issue. There are still resets, following 95-byte packets that should be 512 (those look familiar...) |
| 18:21:31 | * | Domonoky doesnt see any bugreports about rbutil in the tracker, so it must be working perfectly :-) |
| 18:21:44 | GodEater | gevaerts: I tried out High Speed on my 5.5G today |
| 18:21:49 | GodEater | I get resets in dmesg when trying to do writes |
| 18:21:53 | GodEater | reads appear ok though |
| 18:22:28 | gevaerts | Does it recover from the resets ? |
| 18:22:58 | GodEater | well it keeps trying to write I guess |
| 18:23:27 | GodEater | I was doing an "find /mnt/ipod/ -name "blahblahblah" -exec rm {};" at the time |
| 18:23:30 | GodEater | so it was hard to tell |
| 18:24:18 | gevaerts | So you were basically stress-testing it. I seem to get most resets from reads. It recovers quicly though |
| 18:24:31 | GodEater | I didn't see any for reads |
| 18:24:41 | GodEater | I'll try using it a bit more tomorrow to see |
| 18:25:00 | GodEater | I have to run now |
| 18:25:02 | GodEater | later all |
| 18:25:04 | gevaerts | Bye |
| 18:25:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Bye! |
| 18:26:52 | cars | Does Rockbox use a significanly higher amount of memory than the default Ipod OS? It seems like it does not or is not able to buffer more than one or two songs in it's memory (the hdd spins up after almost every song). |
| 18:27:38 | cars | I have a 2G Ipod. |
| 18:27:41 | Horschti | ipod 5.5G 80GB? |
| 18:27:47 | Horschti | nvm |
| 18:27:59 | JdGordon | cars: do you use dircache?> |
| 18:28:13 | Domonoky | cars: rockbox should use all aviable memory for buffering... so the often spinups are something else.. |
| 18:28:55 | Domonoky | it could also be the fontcache ( if your songs have text from many different languages, or if you use a very big font) |
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| 18:29:25 | cars | JdGordon: You mean Load DB to RAM? Yes, I do. |
| 18:29:37 | JdGordon | no, i mean dircache... |
| 18:29:50 | Horschti | definatelly sounds related to FS #8601 |
| 18:30:01 | JdGordon | can you open your .rockbox/config.cfg file in notepad and see if there is a line "dircache: on"? |
| 18:30:08 | cars | JdGordon: Sure. |
| 18:30:16 | JdGordon | if there isnt, can you test a build for me? |
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| 18:34:47 | cars | JdGordon: No, it is not. I can test a build if it's not there, but not immediately. |
| 18:35:53 | JdGordon | ok, pm me an email and ill send you the build... I think dircache could be causing the extra spinups (even if its disabled) but cant test it out |
| 18:36:20 | JdGordon | which ipod? |
| 18:36:42 | cars | 2G, so I have the "random builds don't work" bug |
| 18:37:06 | JdGordon | arg, ok |
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| 18:37:46 | amiconn | cars2: The 'random builds don't work' does have different symptoms though |
| 18:38:03 | amiconn | The builds which don't work do crash on boot, more or less immediately |
| 18:38:29 | pixelma | but if JdGordon wants to provide a test build... |
| 18:40:11 | cars2 | amiconn: that is correct. |
| 18:40:56 | JamPSi | btw my sansa is slow when I've just started it, takes much time to change to a next song when I start playing... |
| 18:41:51 | amiconn | If a certain build does crash, adding a certain number of 'nop's (which needs to be adjusted by trial and error) helps. Number of necessary 'nop's varies from 0 to 3 |
| 18:42:41 | * | amiconn thinks he should try to track down the exact spot where this alignment issue hides |
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| 18:48:01 | brainwreck | is there some sort of language these players use , or is everything coded in assembly ? |
| 18:48:12 | cars2 | amiconn: I read about that, but didn't know exactly what it meant. It requires compiling each build, right? If I get my system set up to a point where I can do that, it would be nice. |
| 18:49:11 | JdGordon | Bagder: can you get the revision number next to the date instead of the commit message? and showing on the 4weeks page also please? |
| 18:49:49 | JdGordon | I actually think its really only needed on the 4 weeks page and not the front page |
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| 18:50:45 | amiconn | cars2: Yes, it does mean that you need to compile |
| 18:51:54 | amiconn | (or have someone who can do it for you) |
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| 19:01:52 | Domonoky | it seams the generation of rockbox-info.txt is broken... the target string is now empty ! |
| 19:02:18 | Domonoky | this makes rbutil fail to generate a proper voicefile .. :-/ |
| 19:04:25 | linuxstb | Hmm, I can confirm it was broken Saturday morning, so sometime before then... |
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| 19:07:48 | linuxstb | Domonoky: Seems to be the change from ARCHOS to MODELNAME in r16149 - the equivalent change wasn't made in mkinfo.pl |
| 19:08:15 | linuxstb | (4 weeks, 5 days ago!) |
| 19:09:06 | Domonoky | :-) longtime... |
| 19:10:30 | linuxstb | Domonoky: Shall I fix, or are you? |
| 19:10:52 | * | Domonoky is just compiling with the fix, to see if it helps.. |
| 19:11:01 | Domonoky | but feel free to commit it :-) |
| 19:12:15 | linuxstb | Domonoky: OK, committed. |
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| 19:14:09 | JdGordon | hey linuxstb, did you see the talk this morning (7am your time or so) about stopping all scrolling lines which would fall in a viewport, but that vp doesnt own the lines? |
| 19:14:32 | * | Domonoky likes bugs in rbutil which can be fixed without a new rbutil release .. :-) |
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| 19:20:02 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Yes. Not a straightforward problem... |
| 19:20:36 | JdGordon | no, but one which will need figuring out soonish.. |
| 19:21:31 | JdGordon | 'm happy using stop_scroll() for now, but when/if we get to a stage where the wps and list can be shown together this will need a real solution |
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| 20:31:01 | gevaerts | Is it (easily) possible (and harmless) to increase the voltage on a PP chip ? From what I've seen I strongy suspect that we have USB signalling quality problems, and I'd like to experiment a bit. |
| 20:31:34 | Buschel | gevaerts: what player do you have? |
| 20:31:43 | gevaerts | Buschel: Sansa c250 |
| 20:32:30 | * | moos is wondering if those sansas are v2? http://www.woot.com/ |
| 20:32:58 | Buschel | then you may ask saratoga. he played around with the core voltage supply. |
| 20:33:00 | scorche|sh | some might be, but as they are refurbs, i would guess that most are v1s |
| 20:33:09 | Buschel | I could tell you for iPods |
| 20:34:31 | gevaerts | OK. I'll ask him. |
| 20:34:33 | moos | scorche: luck depending then :) |
| 20:37:42 | gevaerts | saratoga: if you happen to read the logs, I'd like to know how to change voltages on a sansa c200. Can you help with that ? |
| 20:37:49 | GodEater_ | Buschel: so what's the answer on iPods ? ;) |
| 20:38:14 | Buschel | just a second... |
| 20:39:44 | GodEater_ | isn't it a shame that AMD/ATI didn't buy PortalPlayer instead of nVidia ? |
| 20:39:55 | amiconn | gevaerts: Did you test with the usb tracer? |
| 20:40:24 | amiconn | I think that if it is voltage, it's most certainly some I/O voltage, not the core voltage |
| 20:40:36 | GodEater_ | amiconn: he did - he got no errors with his tracer |
| 20:40:53 | amiconn | Also, afaik USB signal levels are 5V, so there must be some step-up converter |
| 20:41:07 | GodEater_ | iiuc he thinks this is because it acts as a repeater in the middle of the connection, and therefore stepped up the voltage |
| 20:41:07 | Buschel | GodEater: You'll have to change "pcf50605_write(DCDC1, 0xec);" (=1.2V) in firmware/drivers/pcf50605.c to some other value like e.g. 0xed = 1.225V, 0xee = 1.25V, ... |
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| 20:41:53 | gevaerts | amiconn: I did some basic tests (maybe more tomorrow). There are two main results : (1) the ehci errors go away with the tracer in between, and (2) we still have incomplete packets some of the time (the old 95-byte problem). Those seem to be the ones that cause reset on read |
| 20:42:24 | gevaerts | At least the first one makes me suspect signalling quality. |
| 20:43:27 | gevaerts | I might be able to get real measurements on that, but then I'll first have to convince the guy who knows the equipment to help me |
| 20:43:57 | GodEater_ | Bagder can bribe him with the new source of income to the rockbox fund ;) |
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| 20:45:07 | amiconn | Buschel: Do you know whether DCUD is used? |
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| 20:46:11 | GodEater_ | too late... |
| 20:46:12 | * | amiconn would think that the USB voltage is generated using that |
| 20:46:59 | GodEater_ | shouldn't most of the voltage be coming from the host end of the connection (sorry if that's a naive question) ? |
| 20:48:00 | gevaerts | GodEater_: only the write side. That's consistent with what I see here : writes generate much less dmesg output (noearly none) than reads |
| 20:48:18 | GodEater_ | curious that I saw the opposite then =/ |
| 20:48:34 | GodEater_ | I can't test again right now though |
| 20:48:58 | * | gevaerts remembers reading something about host vs device power in the iMX31 spec, and goes to check |
| 20:48:59 | GodEater_ | so it's possible I didn't exercise the read function as much |
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| 20:52:33 | amiconn | gevaerts: If the DCUD converter of the pcf50650 is actually the one providing USB power, and it's not enabled, output voltage would most probably be equal to input voltage |
| 20:52:47 | amiconn | So USB signal quality would depend on charging state of the battery |
| 20:53:00 | gevaerts | I also have a trace of windows communicating with the OF, with the SD slot empty. I hope I can learn from that how to improve the SCSI part |
| 20:53:08 | gevaerts | amiconn: that makes sense |
| 20:53:14 | Domonoky | (and on power draw, ie a spinnding harddrive ? ) |
| 20:53:26 | amiconn | Not by much |
| 20:53:47 | amiconn | gevaerts: Would it be interesting to test with a nearly empty vs. fully charged battery? |
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| 20:55:50 | gevaerts | amiconn: possibly, but the results would have to be pretty repeatable IMO for them to make sense, so this might take some time |
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| 21:02:36 | codesquid | gevaerts, thanks for working on the USB support |
| 21:03:00 | codesquid | I have a sansa e280 and bought an 8GB microsdhc card today |
| 21:03:19 | codesquid | but it doesn't show up under linux if I connect my player |
| 21:03:37 | codesquid | is there any way I can help getting it to work? |
| 21:04:30 | desowin | make sure you have multiple lun support in kernel |
| 21:05:08 | codesquid | gonna check |
| 21:05:16 | desowin | CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y - you should have it in kernel config |
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| 21:06:23 | gevaerts | codesquid: if you're running an official build it won't work yet. There are still too many reliability issues to enable it by default |
| 21:06:37 | advcomp2019 | codesquid, what sansa firmware do you have? |
| 21:06:54 | codesquid | gevaerts, I have compiled it with enabled usb support |
| 21:07:09 | codesquid | desowin, that option wasn't set, I'll recompile the kernel |
| 21:07:53 | Teddy__ | How good is .ogg support for 2g ipods? |
| 21:08:00 | codesquid | advcomp2019, the most recent that was available mid december from the sandisk website |
| 21:08:11 | gevaerts | codesquid: ok. I didn't really see if you could not see the SD card or nothing at all. The lun option is the problem then. |
| 21:09:02 | codesquid | great |
| 21:09:28 | codesquid | another issue: Under Windows it takes a long time after connecting the player till the drives show up in explorer |
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| 21:09:46 | codesquid | 30 seconds or more while explorer is completely frozen during that time |
| 21:11:10 | gevaerts | codesquid: known issue. We don't implement all commands that windows expects properly yet. |
| 21:11:17 | codesquid | ok |
| 21:11:33 | codesquid | other than that it appears to be working ok so far |
| 21:11:36 | codesquid | keep up the great work |
| 21:12:27 | amiconn | hmmmrrrmmmm |
| 21:13:52 | amiconn | If it really is usb voltage, then there's some more RE due |
| 21:15:36 | codesquid | desowin, thanks for the hint, with CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN it works |
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| 21:15:48 | gevaerts | What's the fastest way to drain the battery ? backlight on, brighness at maximum and playing an mp3 ? |
| 21:16:19 | codesquid | 100% cpu usage would help too, try doom ;) |
| 21:16:41 | rasher | gevaerts: play some APE |
| 21:16:49 | rasher | and manually boost the cpu |
| 21:17:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | rasher: Now that's a hell of a battery drainer right there. :) |
| 21:18:03 | * | gevaerts sets the brightness higher, and immediately goes blind |
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| 21:19:13 | gevaerts | That _is_ bright. I now see why people want a flashlight plugin |
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| 21:20:09 | pixelma | gevaerts: don't forget the buttonlights (just saying because I have them turned off most of the time) |
| 21:20:11 | codesquid | now add the insanely bright blue ring on the e200 series and it's even brigher |
| 21:20:21 | codesquid | dunno if c200 has buttonlights too |
| 21:20:29 | amiconn | rasher: On PP you don't need to boost manually when playing APE. It can't cope even when 100% boosted |
| 21:21:20 | amiconn | codesquid: It does. It's even split, for more interesting buttonlight effects ;) |
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| 21:21:52 | codesquid | lol |
| 21:22:15 | * | gevaerts goes to read the manual. This Settings menu is confusing |
| 21:23:09 | rasher | amiconn: yeah, that was just to be on the safe side |
| 21:23:26 | amiconn | The big center button has a LED, and the menu button has another one. Both are individually controllable (i.e. the hardware allows it, rockbox doesn't offer separate settings as that would be overkill...) |
| 21:24:11 | pixelma | gevaerts: the buttonlight setting is in general settings > system > button light timeout |
| 21:24:19 | gevaerts | Why does "Button light timeout" −−> off mean no button light ? Isn't that reversed ? (or am I being too litteral ?) |
| 21:24:25 | * | gevaerts found it |
| 21:24:36 | rasher | Man that wheel is so bright |
| 21:24:52 | pixelma | gevaerts: yeah, just thought the same |
| 21:25:13 | gevaerts | Maybe just call it "Button light" ? |
| 21:25:49 | codesquid | Reminds me of one futurama intro gag: "Touch Eyeballs to Screen for Cheap Laser Surgery" |
| 21:26:19 | * | gevaerts now has a high-energy plasma with music in the background |
| 21:26:26 | pixelma | I agree, the backlight setting isn't called "Backlight Timeout"... |
| 21:27:12 | * | gevaerts votes to change it |
| 21:28:52 | codesquid | btw has anyone ever suggested porting a shell like bash to rockbox? |
| 21:29:06 | scorche|sh | what would be its purpose? |
| 21:29:15 | codesquid | running my playlist generating scripts :P |
| 21:29:37 | scorche|sh | well, rockbox isnt linux, so there would be quite a bit to implement/change... |
| 21:29:44 | gevaerts | codesquid: go ahead ;-) |
| 21:30:17 | codesquid | unfortunately I have already have my own FLOSS project to take care of :( |
| 21:31:12 | * | gevaerts would recommend a scripting language that wasn't designed for interactive use |
| 21:31:41 | Munkie | i was just wondering, would a feature like being able to completely switch your screen off be useful? like a kind of screensaver. it would help to increase the battery life. |
| 21:31:42 | codesquid | a C++ interpreter would be perfect for that ;) |
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| 21:33:05 | gevaerts | I was thinking more about python, lua or (why not ?) postscript |
| 21:33:30 | codesquid | postscripts? no thanks ;) |
| 21:33:37 | codesquid | -s |
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| 21:34:12 | gevaerts | Why not ? It's ascii and interpreted (and therefore a scripting language), and it is definitely not designed for interactive use |
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| 21:34:55 | codesquid | I don't know anyone manually writing postscript scripts |
| 21:35:06 | gevaerts | And we could implement usb printing as a bonus :-) |
| 21:35:18 | codesquid | I like that idea |
| 21:36:16 | codesquid | anyhow, lua seems to be a quite simple language |
| 21:36:45 | gevaerts | codesquid : http://www.pugo.org/main/project_pshttpd/ |
| 21:37:28 | * | gevaerts thinks it's time to get back on topic |
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| 21:38:22 | codesquid | is there one language that does not have a webserver written in it? |
| 21:38:55 | amiconn | Munkie: On targets where the screen is unreadable without backlight *and* where we know how to do it, the display is switched off completely when the backlight is off |
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| 21:39:37 | amiconn | On targets where the screen stays readable, doing that doesn't make sense |
| 21:40:09 | ender` | i hosed a printer at work for a few hours once when i sent a mandelbrot postscript to it :) |
| 21:40:25 | amiconn | That said, LCDs don't need much power for themselves. The backlight is what sucks power... |
| 21:41:26 | codesquid | ender`, the community printer in my flat frequently hangs due to people sending too large scripts to it :( |
| 21:41:37 | ender` | that one wasn't large |
| 21:41:55 | codesquid | different size, same problem |
| 21:42:16 | ender` | it just took a while to render :) |
| 21:42:25 | ender` | (ghostscript needed about a minute on my computer) |
| 21:42:34 | Munkie | oh ok. im just trying to have some input into the rockbox system. thanks for answering my question |
| 21:42:54 | * | scorche|sh shoves a few people into #rockbox-community |
| 21:43:24 | codesquid | Munkie, there's an option to turn off the screen as soon as you enable the hold switch |
| 21:43:55 | Munkie | oh really? i only saw the option to turn off the backlight when you enable the hold switch. |
| 21:44:41 | codesquid | hmm see amiconn's reply ;) |
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| 21:54:23 | Casainho | hello RB people :-) |
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| 21:55:09 | Casainho | I would like to know If USB sofware in RB just work in Portalplayer, why? Is there any specific hardware in Portalplayer? |
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| 21:57:12 | gevaerts | Yes and no. Portalplayer chips have a USB controller from ARC (they have some other name now). The iMX31 chips have the same controller, and should be able to use the same driver. |
| 21:58:41 | Casainho | ah, okok... so USB software in RB is much dependent of hardware? :-( |
| 21:58:41 | gevaerts | You basically can't do USB without some kind of dedicated hardware, be it a usb-ata bridge or a device-side or OTG controller |
| 21:59:50 | Casainho | okok... I wish good work to the guys that are working on USB, on PP :-) |
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| 22:00:06 | gevaerts | It's partly dependent. There is the controller driver (in usb-drv-pp502x.c) that is hardware-specific, and there are the higher-level drivers (usb-core.c, usb-storage.c and usb-serial.c) that should be hardware-agnostic |
| 22:00:55 | gevaerts | What chipset were you looking at ? Maybe it does have a controller or has a variant that does. |
| 22:01:42 | Casainho | I was thinking in AT91SAM9260, from Atmel... |
| 22:01:51 | * | gevaerts googles |
| 22:02:00 | Casainho | for this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxPlayerPrototype |
| 22:03:05 | Casainho | so I know now that in future we just need to do the usb-drv-AT90SAMx.c :-) |
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| 22:07:49 | gevaerts | usb-drv-pp502x.c is about 800 lines of code, half of which are register definitions and structure declarations. If you have documentation it shouldn't be too hard to write something equivalent, although at first sight toe AT91SAM9260's usb device controller looks a bit more low-level to me |
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| 22:08:47 | Casainho | okok, It's nice to know that is possible :-) |
| 22:09:01 | Casainho | thanks :-) |
| 22:09:21 | gevaerts | The documentation mentions both device and host side high-speed controllers, so you should be fine |
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| 22:14:21 | Teddy__ | How well does rockbox work with a 2nd gen mini in terms of ogg support? |
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| 22:18:33 | stripwax | amiconn/gevaerts - any thing I can do to help debug my usb full speed connection woes on XP? I saw the discussion on how high speed works best when not connected to a hub, and I agree my symptoms look similar, but a) I'm full speed not highspeed and b) I'm connecting to the only ports my laptop has |
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| 22:19:16 | stripwax | a new datapoint : if I plug my ipod into my laptop when my laptop is turned off, then turn on my laptop, it seems rockbox doesn't realise/notice that usb is connected at all. |
| 22:19:53 | stripwax | (no usb screen - although I see the soft disc icon in the corner; not sure how to interpret that) |
| 22:20:32 | gevaerts | stripwax: I would guess that these issues are not really high-speed specific, but more noticeable than at full speed |
| 22:20:51 | stripwax | That makes sense |
| 22:20:56 | gevaerts | stripwax: does the laptop see the ipod ? |
| 22:21:34 | stripwax | gevaerts - hard to tell - the problem seems to still be that it doesn't see it properly and certainly doesn't assign a drive letter |
| 22:21:34 | codesquid | stripwax, that happens on my sansa all the time, about 30% of the time I plug it in no USB screen appears, yet the USB connection itself gets established fine |
| 22:22:16 | stripwax | and when I safely remove, I always get a data abort on rockbox |
| 22:22:57 | stripwax | (after the "safely remove hardware" applet has stopped hanging, that is). OF works fine so pretty certain it's not directly a problem with Windows or the ipod |
| 22:23:02 | gevaerts | stripwax: in current svn the USB screen is triggered by the host OS starting enumeration within a certain time after connection. This is not too reliable. I'm working on fixing that, but unfortunately then I got high-speed to work so I got sidetracked |
| 22:24:11 | stripwax | Another datapoint - I do have the ipodservice installed on my pc (a "feature" of iTunes, although I have no idea what the service does, nor do I use iTunes) - reckon that could be related? |
| 22:24:20 | gevaerts | stripwax: You're on windows ? Then we have to take the various windows-related issues into account. that maes it even harder to know what happens. Anyway I'm working on fixing these windows issues as well |
| 22:24:43 | gevaerts | I don't know what that does either |
| 22:24:45 | stripwax | I see the ipodservice has logged a message in the windows eventlog (although ipodservice logs unhelpful have zero useful content) |
| 22:25:09 | Casainho | gevaerts: good luck and good work on USB :-) :-) - may the Box be with you :-) :-) |
| 22:25:20 | gevaerts | Thanks |
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| 22:25:55 | stripwax | Are the "windows-related issues" various known usb spec 'deviations' or something I could help debug? |
| 22:26:12 | gevaerts | stripwax: like most windows logs ? It probably wants to complain about an ipod without all expected ipod functionality |
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| 22:26:45 | stripwax | gevaerts - nah, the ipodservice doesn't register a message .dll properly, so you just get a message in the log saying "The description for Event ID ( 0 ) in Source ( iPod Service ) cannot be found." |
| 22:27:25 | stripwax | Then again, I think it's just the service starting up at laptop boot time, rather than any ipod-connection message |
| 22:27:30 | gevaerts | The windows-related issues are actually SCSI completeness/correctness issues. Windows just does more different things than linux, and doesn't handle bad responses as well. |
| 22:27:51 | bertrik | what is the currently intended behaviour on USB plug-in and holding select? |
| 22:27:54 | stripwax | amiconn - you're having success on Windows? |
| 22:28:38 | stripwax | gevaerts - anything I could do to track down / debug the data abort I get on unmounting? |
| 22:28:54 | gevaerts | bertrik: intended : no storage, only a "charging only" configuration that requests 500 mA. Actual : it starts mass storage anyway, which makes it dangerous |
| 22:29:38 | bertrik | ok. If I plug it in without holding select, my e200 reboots |
| 22:30:45 | gevaerts | stripwax: maybe. I seem to remember that Data Abort gives something that looks like an address. Maybe you can find (using objdump −−syms) what data structure is involved ? (otoh, it might be an instruction address as well. I really don't know) |
| 22:31:10 | Domonoky_ | lookup the data abort adress in the map file... |
| 22:31:27 | gevaerts | bertrik: Do you have a recent build with USB enabled ? That shouldn't reboot... |
| 22:31:39 | * | bertrik is building |
| 22:32:10 | gevaerts | Domonoky_: map file only contains non-statics IIRC, I prefer objdump on the .elf file for that reason |
| 22:32:39 | stripwax | Just seen that Win does detect the usb device, reports it as a compatible USB storage device, at location 0 (Rockbox media player) - which sounds promising - but seems to have made no attempt to assign a drive letter or otherwise mount |
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| 22:33:28 | stripwax | Although choosing to remove it prompts that it will remove a generic volume which *does* have a drive letter assigned (even though it doesn't seem to be visible). Which is confusing to say the least |
| 22:34:22 | bertrik | sometimes, when messing with USB devices on windows, it helps to clear the device entry in the registry |
| 22:34:31 | stripwax | safely removed -> usb screen still there. removed cable, no data abort this time. very odd. maybe a timing thing. will see if it's reprocible |
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| 22:35:11 | * | gevaerts decides high speed works well enough for now, and goes back to infrastructure and SCSI work |
| 22:35:16 | stripwax | bertrik - hm, good point. maybe it's confused due to prior knowledge of itunes connectivity |
| 22:35:57 | bertrik | HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Enum\USB\Vid_0781&Pid_7421 <- remove that entry, you may have to set registry write permission for yourself first |
| 22:37:23 | GodEater_ | I've found OF USB modes that behave differently on different windows PCs at work |
| 22:37:29 | GodEater_ | some get assigned drive letters, some don't. |
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| 22:37:44 | GodEater_ | Do you see the device appear in disk manager at all stripwax ? |
| 22:37:55 | GodEater_ | that'll show devices without drive letters too usually |
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| 22:39:29 | bertrik | hmmm, my e200 reboots every time I plug usb in and not holding select |
| 22:40:59 | stripwax | GodEater - oh, good call. Yes, I do see it, and it even appears to think it's assigned a drive letter. Although it doesn't seem to be one I can actually browse to. |
| 22:41:00 | gevaerts | bertrik: with USE_ROCKBOX_USB defined ? |
| 22:41:25 | bertrik | oh I thought that was no longer needed |
| 22:41:36 | GodEater_ | stripwax: can you change the drive letter assignment? |
| 22:41:40 | GodEater_ | you can usually do that too |
| 22:42:49 | gevaerts | bertrik: no, it's still needed, although now you also ave USE_HIGH_SPEED to play with. Be careful with that one though, the sansa flash driver seems to have a bug that gets exposed by writing over USB, especially high speed |
| 22:43:16 | bertrik | ok, rebuilding now... |
| 22:43:17 | stripwax | It does let me do that, but it still doesn't appear to help (changing letter -> Explorer hangs) |
| 22:43:30 | GodEater_ | stripwax: thought of getting a real OS? ;) |
| 22:43:38 | stripwax | ha |
| 22:43:59 | GodEater_ | is your build with just the fullspeed code ? |
| 22:44:02 | GodEater_ | or both? |
| 22:44:27 | stripwax | Ah, in the event logs : "An error was detected on device \Device\Harddisk1\D during a paging operation" |
| 22:44:30 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 22:44:51 | GodEater_ | your windows setup tries to keep the page file across all devices ? |
| 22:45:05 | stripwax | Oh. And windows has come back to life and assigned a drive letter now. I shouldn't need to change drive letter to make this work but it seems it has, in the end.. |
| 22:45:32 | stripwax | GodEater - I don't think that's what the message means but happy to accept I am wrong |
| 22:45:40 | GodEater_ | easy to find out |
| 22:45:47 | GodEater_ | check your page file settings |
| 22:45:54 | GodEater_ | if it's one drive only then I'm wrong wrong wrong |
| 22:46:07 | petur | GodEater_: windows accesses some devices by mapping (parts of them) in memory. if a read/write fails you get such a paging error |
| 22:46:27 | * | GodEater_ grabs the dunce's hat and heads for the corner |
| 22:46:33 | stripwax | GodEater - just one |
| 22:46:37 | petur | you can get paging errors when accessing bad floppies too |
| 22:46:54 | * | gevaerts once told linux to swap to a floppy |
| 22:46:54 | GodEater_ | is there a way to prevent that sort of access ? |
| 22:47:04 | GodEater_ | gevaerts: why in the name of god? |
| 22:47:22 | gevaerts | GodEater: easy. To see what would happen when I ejected it. |
| 22:47:27 | GodEater_ | hahaha |
| 22:47:29 | GodEater_ | and ? |
| 22:47:43 | gevaerts | It crashed of course |
| 22:47:51 | * | stripwax tries changing the drive letter back to the original and waits for carnage to ensure |
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| 22:49:40 | * | gevaerts adds that he did this ten years ago. He would never do such things now of course |
| 22:50:19 | * | hcs just committed an ADX decoding fix and is waiting to see what breaks |
| 22:50:22 | stripwax | Hm, that worked too. I wonder if my system is now in a state where my original problem is no longer reproducible (sigh) |
| 22:50:49 | stripwax | gevaerts - it works! and I'm still none the wiser! |
| 22:51:03 | GodEater_ | stripwax: reboot! |
| 22:51:10 | GodEater_ | that's bound to upset things again |
| 22:51:33 | gevaerts | stripwax: unfortunately, that sort of unpredictability is somehow expected... |
| 22:51:35 | stripwax | I'll try (re)disconnecting and see what happens. Hey, I might even get that data abort that i didn't get last time |
| 22:52:00 | GodEater_ | stripwax: on a different note, you up for a beer with me and linuxstb again sometime soon ? |
| 22:52:19 | stripwax | GodEater - always |
| 22:52:48 | GodEater_ | we tried getting pondlife interested, but he appears to have a much busier schedule for someone who lives in the middle of nowhere than you'd expect :) |
| 22:54:10 | Bagder | I bet he just pretends ;-) |
| 22:54:16 | hcs | blah warnings |
| 22:54:28 | GodEater_ | Bagder: you're probably right. He just doesn't want to arm wrestle again. |
| 22:54:32 | stripwax | heh |
| 22:54:47 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 22:55:22 | stripwax | Usb detection: fast; drive letter assignment: slow slow slow. and consistently seems to not quite work without manually changing drive letter |
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| 22:56:04 | stripwax | Still no data aborts however (updated build since I last got them so maybe something resolved itself in the interim) |
| 22:56:12 | GodEater_ | are any of you windows chaps on the MSDN subscribers lists ? |
| 22:56:17 | * | stripwax is |
| 22:56:31 | GodEater_ | are there still "Debug" builds of windows on them ? |
| 22:56:43 | mirak | hi |
| 22:56:46 | gevaerts | stripwax: can you change usb_storage.c to force inquiry->DeviceTypeModifier to 0 in identify2inquiry() ? |
| 22:56:59 | stripwax | GodEater - good question. no idea but I can quickly (ish) check.. |
| 22:57:33 | GodEater_ | I vaguely recall back when I worked for a windows vendor that the geeks used those to debug hardware issues such as these |
| 22:58:02 | GodEater_ | this was like 10 years ago now mind you |
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| 22:58:09 | gevaerts | GodEater_: they still exist as of XP. Not sure about vista, but I think so |
| 22:58:14 | stripwax | gevaerts - sure. |
| 22:58:25 | LycoLoco | hey guys - if every time I boot my gigabeat it shows "Committing database [1/9]" what can I do to fix that? I don't really use the database that often, so if I have to nuke it, that's fine |
| 22:58:43 | * | gevaerts won't admit to using windows at work these days |
| 22:59:27 | GodEater_ | I only use it when I have no other choice |
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| 23:00:37 | petur | amiconn: if I understand correctly, the mini contains a CFII microdrive, so it is not really out of spec to report 0x848A (which is standard CF signature value) |
| 23:00:54 | stripwax | LycoLoco - every time or only when you've added new files? btw you can delete the database files (to turn off the database) - or disable the database automatic update |
| 23:00:58 | LycoLoco | every time |
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| 23:01:14 | LycoLoco | I"ve tried initializing the database again, but can't seem to get it to reset |
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| 23:01:33 | stripwax | LycoLoco - what do you mean by "reset" by the way? |
| 23:01:43 | LycoLoco | which files am I looking to delete if I wanna nuke the database entirely? |
| 23:01:54 | LycoLoco | well, reset meaning get rid of the message |
| 23:02:10 | LycoLoco | it never shows 2/9 or increments, it's always 1/9 |
| 23:02:10 | stripwax | .rockbox/database.*.something |
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| 23:02:53 | BigBambi | 8.tcd |
| 23:02:57 | BigBambi | s/8/* |
| 23:03:13 | stripwax | LycoLoco - it is slow - it may well get there 'eventually' |
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| 23:03:17 | LycoLoco | hmm, that might explain it |
| 23:03:33 | BigBambi | LycoLoco: To be less confusing, you want to delete *.tcd in /.rockbox to remove the database files |
| 23:03:33 | LycoLoco | stripwax: nah, every time it shows that and then about 10 seconds later loads up and plays music |
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| 23:03:48 | LycoLoco | it's not debilitating, it's just annoying, luckily |
| 23:03:56 | hcs | There we go, clean as a whistle. |
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| 23:04:20 | LycoLoco | apparently the only file is database_tmp.tcd |
| 23:04:40 | BigBambi | kill that then :) |
| 23:04:57 | LycoLoco | tryin it now |
| 23:05:02 | Slasheri | LycoLoco: could you send that file to me? |
| 23:05:03 | LycoLoco | sweet, that did it |
| 23:05:09 | Slasheri | something is broken with your db |
| 23:05:17 | BigBambi | Slasheri: Too late! |
| 23:05:20 | LycoLoco | Slasheri: you asked about 3 seconds too late :( I just emptyed the recycle bin |
| 23:05:27 | LycoLoco | lemme initialize the database and see if it does it again |
| 23:05:41 | Slasheri | if it does, please dcc it to me |
| 23:05:53 | Slasheri | i have to go to sleep now but i have autoget on |
| 23:05:58 | * | stripwax rebuilds and copies rockbox.ipod *using rockbox usb* for first time - this is awesome |
| 23:06:26 | LycoLoco | will do Slasheri |
| 23:06:28 | LycoLoco | thanks! |
| 23:06:39 | LycoLoco | hahha, nice stripwax :D |
| 23:06:50 | LycoLoco | congrats on getting that working on portalplayer devices, team |
| 23:08:06 | gevaerts | I'd like to commit the parts of the latest FS #8562 patch that don't do the actual threading cleanups (because those are pretty intrusive and I'd like some more review on them). They shouldn't change anything functionally. Any objections ? |
| 23:08:33 | LycoLoco | thanks Slasheri, stripwax - that seems to have solved the problem entirely. Sorry that I deleted the file before I coudl send it to you for analyzation |
| 23:09:01 | * | gevaerts wants to make the final threading cleanup patch as small as possible, so reviewing will be easier |
| 23:09:06 | stripwax | Old problem of database being initialized when device is empty? |
| 23:09:15 | Slasheri | LycoLoco: then it sounds like you might have a filesystem problem |
| 23:09:25 | Slasheri | please check the disk for errors |
| 23:09:56 | gevaerts | stripwax: I've updated rockbox so often over its own USB now that booting the OF starts to feel unfamiliar |
| 23:10:01 | LycoLoco | Slasheri: it's working fine now, database works and doesn't commit every boot (unless music is added or removed) either |
| 23:10:09 | Slasheri | nice |
| 23:10:25 | bertrik | gevaerts: I have USB mass storage working now without a reboot on plugin, seems to also mount faster than when I last tried it :) |
| 23:10:34 | stripwax | gevaerts - I was just about to say that it doesn't seem to have worked, but it seems I can access it from cygwin, just not from windows Explorer. odd.. |
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| 23:11:31 | amiconn | petur: I didn't complain about what the mini's CFII microdrive reports. That value has bit 15 set, as an indicator that it implements ata |
| 23:12:04 | amiconn | I rather complained about e.g. the MK8007GAH, which has word 0 bit 15 *not* set, although it should |
| 23:12:05 | petur | hmmm I was checking against the CF spec |
| 23:12:24 | stripwax | yeah - command line has no problem, either cygwin or windows cmd, which is pretty odd - issue is that explorer seems to be unhappy |
| 23:12:39 | amiconn | gevaerts: Try to let linux swap to a microsd card, and then eject that ;) |
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| 23:13:10 | stripwax | Does rockbox.ipod live in .rockbox or root? I might just be an idiot.. |
| 23:13:24 | amiconn | In .rockbox, for quite a while now... |
| 23:13:25 | gevaerts | amiconn: I know what it will do now :-) |
| 23:13:36 | stripwax | amiconn - thought so. |
| 23:13:50 | RoTtE | where can i find ROCKBOX UTILITY ? |
| 23:14:02 | * | amiconn made that same mistake too, not very long ago... :\ |
| 23:14:07 | stripwax | oh, I only copied the new build to root (by mistake) - no wonder I saw no difference just now |
| 23:14:14 | stripwax | amiconn - :-p |
| 23:14:15 | petur | amiconn: according to CF spec 4.1 it is ok to have bits 15:12 be either 8 or 0 |
| 23:14:15 | RoTtE | i found it :D |
| 23:14:54 | amiconn | petur: Okay, so we can't use bit 15 anyway to distinguish CF <-> ATA |
| 23:15:07 | scorche|sh | RoTtE: if you are looking to install rockbox, i highly recommend you look around in the manual |
| 23:15:15 | amiconn | But still, the MK8007GAH, and the ST660211FX, both violate the ata specs |
| 23:15:32 | petur | amiconn: right now I am thinking of using a value of 0x044A as CF indication |
| 23:15:43 | RoTtE | scorche|sh: i found it. didn't say were it wat |
| 23:15:46 | petur | need more values from other cards |
| 23:15:53 | stripwax | New feature: pause playback -> usb insertion -> (do stuff) -> unmount -> rockbox "scanning disk" -> rockbox gives "error accessing playlist control file" and is now stopped. |
| 23:16:03 | scorche|sh | RoTtE: sure it does |
| 23:16:25 | RoTtE | i know that now :P |
| 23:17:16 | * | gevaerts sees no objections to his plans... |
| 23:17:29 | amiconn | stripwax: For me, rockbox USB works quite well when using fullspeed, on all of my windows XP laptop, my AMD-64 linux desktop, and my USB-equipped Amiga |
| 23:17:51 | amiconn | It's just highspeed that's giving problems |
| 23:18:31 | amiconn | (of course not on Amiga as that's fullspeed only anyway) |
| 23:19:01 | stripwax | amiconn - I suspect my windows explorer drive letter assignment problem and the fact that ipodservice.exe is installed on the laptop are not coinciddental |
| 23:19:07 | RoTtE | my Sansa is not in my computer. i meen it's there but don't have a drive letter. only a music icon :/ |
| 23:19:14 | RoTtE | how can i fix? |
| 23:19:51 | RoTtE | usb mode? |
| 23:19:52 | * | amiconn also has that ipodservice installed, but deactivated as he doesn't need it except for special cases |
| 23:20:06 | RoTtE | yeah! whay do i ask :P |
| 23:20:07 | stripwax | gevaerts - forcing DeviceTypeModifier to 0 seems to have fixed! it still takes an age to detect, but now I get a drive letter in Explorer that works |
| 23:21:13 | RoTtE | f.ck! cant i use Sansa 270 ? |
| 23:21:47 | Bagder | RoTtE: are you trying to ask something? |
| 23:22:01 | RoTtE | Bagder: yes |
| 23:22:19 | Bagder | ok, let me know when there's a question coming |
| 23:22:34 | gevaerts | stripwax: I think I may set it that way until all scsi issues are solved. There might be downsides though. Some theories have it that Windows will now start putting recycling bins on it. |
| 23:22:38 | scorche|sh | RoTtE: you need to change the mode to MSC mode...see the manual.. |
| 23:23:21 | RoTtE | hello grate ppl! i wonder, can i use my sansa 270? only says 200 in the program. is it only sansa 200 or is it 200 seies? |
| 23:23:27 | stripwax | gevaerts - hm, really? I know that windows might do that 'anyway' for some devices (seem to remember Windows did that for my H120, but I just told it not to afterwards) |
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| 23:23:56 | Bagder | RoTtE: the e200 series include all e2x0 players (v1) |
| 23:24:00 | gevaerts | stripwax: it's not clear how it decides those things. Any info on that is welcome |
| 23:24:37 | RoTtE | Bagder: okay thanks :) trying now |
| 23:25:21 | stripwax | gevaerts - hm, spoke too soon - another disconnect+reconnect, no drive icon again. cmdline continues to work. odd. |
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| 23:26:24 | amiconn | stripwax: It depends on whether the device reports itself as being an usb harddisk (windows *will put* recycle bin and 'system volume information' onto it), or as a removable device (windows *will not* put said clutter onto it) |
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| 23:27:31 | gevaerts | amiconn: Are you sure that being removable is the only criterion ? |
| 23:27:33 | stripwax | amiconn - cool. well it seems that hardcoding to 0 does not fix my issue after all so I don't see an advantage to reporting as a usb harddisk. Would there be any other possible benefits of doing so? |
| 23:28:43 | gevaerts | By the way, while I was making a trace of windows-OF USB communications, I chose "eject" on the SD card, after which the both the internal flash and the SD card were inaccessible. |
| 23:29:43 | amiconn | gevaerts: I'm quite sure. I know that windows doesn't put mentioned folders even on disk based ipods, while it does so on my irivers and archos player+recorder |
| 23:29:56 | amiconn | That perfectly coincides with the reported device type |
| 23:31:26 | amiconn | Registering as usb harddisk may have the advantage that windows might allow to enable write caching on the device, but I wouldn't do that anyway |
| 23:32:22 | * | amiconn likes to be able to just pull the plug without fiddling with 'safe removal', 'unmounting' or similar inconvenient stuff |
| 23:32:22 | gevaerts | amiconn: I know ;-) I would enable write caching on a floppy, but that might be me... |
| 23:33:51 | stripwax | amiconn - with ipodservice disabled I see no difference so you're right, that's just a red herring (sorry) |
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| 23:38:05 | W3b_6u3st | how do i get cygwin to compile a plugin that i programmed??? |
| 23:38:38 | stripwax | W3b_6u3st - you've already installed cygwin? |
| 23:38:46 | W3b_6u3st | ya |
| 23:39:03 | W3b_6u3st | and evryhing else incluging rockbox-bleeding |
| 23:39:37 | W3b_6u3st | *including |
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| 23:43:09 | stripwax | amiconn/gevaerts - interesting (perhaps): http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbdlm_e.html |
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| 23:43:50 | stripwax | W3b_6u3st - so everything is installed and set up according to the guide in the wiki? so you should just be able to configure, make now |
| 23:43:59 | W3b_6u3st | k |
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| 23:45:59 | Nico_P | gevaerts: do you know why creating a dir takes a long time? |
| 23:46:00 | RoTtE | Bagder: works grate :D |
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| 23:46:21 | gevaerts | Nico_P: no idea |
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| 23:46:37 | * | amiconn knows usb drive letter manager |
| 23:46:40 | Nico_P | gevaerts: of course I mean over your USB code |
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| 23:46:48 | * | gevaerts guessed that |
| 23:46:52 | Nico_P | :) |
| 23:47:16 | Nico_P | I've been using it a bit, and apart from that it's really nice |
| 23:47:29 | gevaerts | stripwax: I'm reading his troubleshooting page. There's a nice interpretation of "unique to each USB Vendor ID and Product ID pair" mentionned there |
| 23:48:19 | stripwax | gevaerts - yeo |
| 23:48:20 | stripwax | yep |
| 23:48:37 | amiconn | gevaerts: Yellow... |
| 23:48:45 | Labyrince | stripwax, would you be willing to help compile one for me? |
| 23:48:57 | stripwax | Labyrince - compile one what? |
| 23:49:22 | Labyrince | erm, im one of the ipod mini users with a cf card |
| 23:49:40 | Labyrince | i tried cgyiwin but for some reason it doesnt reconize the svn command |
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| 23:50:35 | stripwax | Labyrince - um, did you install svn? |
| 23:50:44 | Labyrince | ... |
| 23:50:47 | Labyrince | lol |
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| 23:51:09 | Labyrince | thanks stripwax |
| 23:51:16 | NEF|Twitchr | Hey, i need to convert some .wmvs to .mpegs to play in rockbox, anyone know good software? |
| 23:51:42 | stripwax | :) |
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| 23:51:54 | Labyrince | do you want a torrent or do you want something free? |
| 23:52:01 | NEF|Twitchr | either would be nice |
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| 23:53:01 | Labyrince | this one seems pretty popular http://www.mininova.org/tor/440045 |
| 23:53:26 | NEF|Twitchr | ty man, u r my hero |
| 23:53:53 | Labyrince | np |
| 23:54:02 | scorche|sh | NEF|Twitchr: please use real english in here.. |
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| 23:54:13 | NEF|Twitchr | im sorry |
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| 23:54:30 | petur | amiconn: 8644 is a first proposal to make CF cards work... It would be interesting to collect more (all) device_info from all our devices, I'll try to run it on as many CF cards I can find :) |
| 23:54:47 | gevaerts | Labyrince: did you read item 6 on the IrcGuidelines page ? |
| 23:55:06 | Labyrince | no sorry |
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| 23:55:37 | gevaerts | Labyrince: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines |
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| 23:57:06 | scorche|sh | Labyrince: really...do NOT encourage copyright infringement in this channel...that is one of the worse rules of this channel that you can break.. |
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| 23:57:30 | Labyrince | sorry |
| 23:57:43 | NEF|Twitchr | I have a quick question. Does anyone know if the toshiba gigabeat f20 can play .mpegs with rockbox on it? |
| 23:58:11 | scorche|sh | NEF|Twitchr: mpeg1 and mpeg2....see the wiki page PluginMpegplayer |
| 23:58:16 | stripwax | Any chance Windows is putting up a fight because the device name is now "TOSHIBA MK6008GAH USB Device" rather than "Apple iPod USB Device" |
| 23:58:33 | NEF|Twitchr | alright, thanks alot guys, appreciate it. Rockbox pwns |
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| 23:58:50 | Labyrince | it did the same thing with my transcend CT card |
| 23:58:52 | Labyrince | CF |
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