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#rockbox log for 2008-02-25

00:00:01gevaertsI'll try
00:00:12#>>"show JdGordon explain beer" by petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur)
00:00:13***Server message 505: 'logbot :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( )'
00:00:46Bagdersee log for reason
00:01:04jhMikeSperhaps even one more wait after the PRG and DATA_DONE check
00:01:30peturBagder: logbot isn't registered?
00:01:31JdGordonlogbot isnt registered?
00:01:36JdGordonoh snap!
00:01:46Bagderwell, quite obviously not
00:01:50pixelmaand now check the logs...
00:02:24*Bagder fades away
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00:04:28gevaertsRemoving that continue won't make it work. It needs to skip over the goto ata_write_error; so maybe a while(1) around that will do
00:04:50jhMikeSin the second one where I left the extra by mistake
00:06:07gevaertsjhMikeS: won't it write one FIFO-sized block too many like this ?
00:06:43peturanybody want to give an opinion on 8585? I want to reject it because I think a picture viewer shouldn't work like that...
00:08:04gevaertspetur: I think I agree with you
00:08:06Lloreanpetur: I'd say reject it.
00:08:26LloreanIf we want to fit the image on-screen, we should use some real scaling anyway.
00:08:27jhMikeSmaybe this isn't quite what I had in mind ;). cranked it out too fast without thinking
00:10:27jhMikeSthink I got it right this time:
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00:12:49gevaertsTesting now
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00:18:22gevaertsWithout the udelay it still works, if I add it back the sansa hangs somewhere
00:18:35 Quit petur ("gonne")
00:18:48jhMikeSso it changed to hanging from corruption?
00:19:14gevaertsApparently so. I think it's better
00:19:20scorchegevaerts: if you didnt notice, i got you cloaked thrusday night
00:19:31gevaertsscorche: I noticed. Thanks
00:21:16barrywardellscorche: any chance you could do the same for me please?
00:21:26gevaertsjhMikeS: actually hanging _and_ corruption. The data that actually got written is wrong
00:21:26scorchebarrywardell: in a bit...catching up on the logs
00:21:34*scorche was away all weekend
00:21:55barrywardellok, thanks
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00:28:59jhMikeSwell, at least running fixed up the compiler for arm11
00:31:33Nico_PjhMikeS: you didn't run out of VM space then?
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00:33:31jhMikeSNico_P: I had to move a tree off of it to make room but it wasn't as much as last time
00:35:05jhMikeSI think...I cleared to about 540MB to be sure and got no errors
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00:50:24barrywardellrasher: did you see FS #8636?
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01:00:57rasherbarrywardell: oh goddamn
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01:25:28brendan193any one want to help me with cygwin
01:25:57krazykitno one can help you if you don't ask.
01:27:33brendan193it says that "your running a script in a path that contains space"
01:28:05scorchedefine "it"
01:28:43brendan193lol srry it is cygwin when i run the command ../tools/configure
01:29:02rashertype pwd
01:29:04rasherAnd give us the output
01:31:03brendan193cygdrive/c/documents and settings/administrator/rockbox/build
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01:33:02webguest54is there a way to find the filename of something in tagcache based on its id3 name?
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01:36:42brendan193any ideas?
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01:40:34cool_walking_brendan193: "documents and settings" contains a space.
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01:41:05alienbiker99what would i take to make the jpeg view turn 180 degrees?
01:41:31brendan193ya but how do i configgure cygwin to a diffrent folder so i dont run into this problem
01:42:06cool_walking_brendan193: just move the entire folder somewhere, and run ../tools/configure again.
01:42:15brendan193kk thx
01:42:19webguest03does anyone have any experience with tagcache?
01:42:42alienbiker99search for it in the database menu
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01:43:34webguest03alienbiker are you talking to me?
01:45:42webguest03i mean the code
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01:49:44obaidhey guys
01:49:53rasherwebguest03: You basically want to talk to Slasheri.
01:49:55obaidi have two little questions about rockbox
01:50:44obaidfirst: i used a self build of rockbox on my sansa e250 before and it had the "load DB to ram" option which made it so much faster
01:51:10obaidis it possible to set the same settings in the normal rockbox builds?
01:53:43webguest03thanks rasher
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01:55:41obaidseems like no one here :( even if the list shows some guys up here
01:56:24krazykitobaid, please have patience. if someone knows the answer, they'll respond.
01:57:14pixelmaobaid: I don't think so... and it only should have been faster if you also had enabled the database auto-update (I don't think Rockbox is slow on my c250 but I don't use auto-update at all and the database not much in general).
01:57:45pixelmaalso, what svn revision are you on? Because there was a bug that was fixed just yesterday/today that could have caused slowdown under certain circumstances
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02:02:24pixelmahmm... just wanted to clarify my statement...
02:05:46brendan193how do i change the working directory in cygwin
02:08:11cool_walking_brendan193: you mean the current directory? "cd /path/to/directory/". same as in DOS.
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02:11:51brendan193what do u mean same in dos
02:12:07cool_walking_Don't worry, just ignore that.
02:12:37brendan193in wondows explorer the folder i need to get to is located @ c:\rockbox-bleeding
02:12:43brendan193cant get there in cygwin
02:13:14LloreanYes, you can.
02:13:25brendan193how so?
02:13:31LloreanUse the cd command.
02:13:39Lloreancd c:\rockbox-bleeding ought to be enough, I think.
02:13:50LloreanThough it's been ages since I've used cygwin.
02:13:57cool_walking_I don't think cygwin supports the windows paths
02:14:05cool_walking_you have to use /cygdrive/c/rockbox-bleeding
02:14:10brendan193ha got it thx
02:14:15LloreanI'm pretty sure it used to use windows paths just fine
02:14:19LloreanIt would translate 'em, iirc.
02:14:42brendan193ya the windows path worked i thought it wouldent
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02:17:49brendan1931 step 4ward 2 steps back
02:18:26brendan193arm-elf-gcc: command not found
02:18:36Llorean4ward is not a real word, please see the guidelines.
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02:20:12LloreanIt means you didn't set up the full environment properly
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02:24:04brendan193how can i set it up fully?
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02:27:32brendan193ugh... *slamms hed on keyboard*
02:27:39Lloreanbrendan193: Follow the instructions?
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02:27:56LloreanThere's some wiki page for setting it up, or a few rather.
02:28:01LloreanI don't know which one you've been following to this point.
02:28:19Lloreanbut I certainly hope you went looking for directions first, instead of just trying to guess your way through it.
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03:33:35XavierGrI am really sorry for the logbot channel flood I didn't realise that all people (and the chaneel) get notified with logbot commands
03:35:14*scorche sighs at notices
03:40:24XavierGryeah, excuse my stupidity :(
03:41:16scorchethats alright...i will work on it...on logbot or another bot...
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04:36:03ipodis there a rockbox build to work with ipod video 5th generation software 1.2.3?
04:36:37scorchethe ipod video build should work for any version of the apple firmware
04:37:25ipodwhen i install it and restart my ipod it just boots to the ipod OS
04:38:24ipodbut it shows that it installed it
04:38:39scorchehow did you install rockbox?
04:39:15ipodusing that rockbox install thing where you just plug it in and hit install
04:39:47scorchewhich rockbox install thing precisely?
04:40:51ipoddo i need the new one?
04:41:32cool_walking_Do you have the hold switch flicked on? This will cause it to boot into the Apple firmware.
04:41:52ipodi just reset it, leaving the hold switch off
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04:42:41cool_walking_Try installing the boot loader again, from RbUtil.
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04:48:56ipodis this supposed to take forever? im doing another complete install
04:49:09ipodi uninstalled it first
04:50:04cool_walking_Shouldn't take too long, all it does is download and copy like 5 MB.
04:50:11cool_walking_Is your internet really slow?
04:50:31ipodit did the download ok its taking a long time to install
04:50:43ipodi guyess its waiting for the sync to finish
04:51:03cool_walking_What sync?
04:51:42cool_walking_I'm not sure, but you might want to close iTunes when doing this.
04:53:40ipodit work
04:53:56fyrestormare you on a 5th gen?
04:54:15fyrestormwhat OS are you on?
04:54:40fyrestormno, your operating system
04:54:45fyrestormxp? vista?
04:55:04ipodwhy, i could do it on my mac...
04:55:37fyrestormno, theres been a bug with vista and plugging in some newer builds of rockbox. i was wondering if it was happening on XP.
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04:55:57ipodnah i think i just had an old build
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04:56:10fyrestormdid you use rbutil?
04:56:22fyrestormcause if you did then youre on the latest daily
04:57:18ipodya i did
04:57:30fyrestormdid you plug back in your ipod via usb?
04:57:43fyrestormok then youre okay XD
04:58:50ipodi will see y'all later then
04:58:53ipodthanks again!
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05:28:32webguest25Hi hope this is getting through. Can rockbox be use on the original Zune?
05:28:55JdGordonwhy wouldnt it? and no
05:28:56scorcheall the devices rockbox runs on are listed on teh front page
05:29:56webguest25ah I am using a screen reader so it's not recognizing the form labels or whatever
05:32:03webguest25yeah I looked at the main page, and noticed some devices that supposedly work aren't listed.
05:32:15scorchelike what?
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05:32:54webguest25Supposedly the zenstone works with it. I've asked the person how they did it, but haven't got a respose yet
05:32:56scorchewhere did you hear that that device worked with rockbox?
05:35:07webguest25I can also make an html link if you want
05:36:54scorchei see a thread where both the zen stone and rockbox are talked about, but it doesnt say that rockbox works on the zen stone
05:36:56webguest25is there any possibility of the zune working with rockbox then? I am blind and don't have much money, so can't take it apart, scan it and all that
05:36:57scorchebig d :)
05:37:19scorchewell, no one is working on that port right now, so it is hard to say
05:38:01webguest25you've heard of me then? or could you tell from the latest posts?
05:38:31scorchei just looked at teh latest posts
05:40:10webguest25I have also posted to another foru to see if anyone has a zune they don't mind explodes :)
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05:41:44webguest40hello, does rockbox now offer better battery life on 5th gen ipods?
05:42:02scorchetest it and find out :)
05:42:59webguest40nobody has tested yet. I used to have it installed but removed it because battery would die in 2 hours or so. Just wanted to know if anybody gets better battery life now
05:43:30scorche2 hours? must have a very old battery..
05:43:31webguest25maybe your battery needs to be replaced? how long have you had it?
05:44:23webguest40well, maybe a year now. It works just fine without rockbox installed. I could listen to a full episode of howard stern and still have good batter life.
05:44:38scorchehave you performed a proper test?
05:44:41webguest25also what voice does rockbox use?
05:44:50webguest40what do you mean
05:45:03webguest40I like rockbox just wish battery lasted longer
05:45:12webguest40with it installed
05:45:42brianinmaineMy friend, a drummer was wondering if anyone is able to use midi on a sansa e280. it only gives errors while playing..
05:45:54webguest25rockbox can talk, for visually impaired users or people in the car etc
05:46:17webguest40i never used anything like that on it. so I wouldn't be able to tell you.
05:46:30scorchewebguest40: well, have you done a battery bench of your battery to see exactly how long it lasts?...and compared it with the original firmware playing the same songs under similar conditions?
05:46:49webguest25ah. actually it is on by default, you probably didn't have the .voice file installed
05:47:07scorchewebguest25: that depends on what you create the voices with...i am far from a voice expert though
05:48:33webguest25ah ok. I would test it, but can't install it. unless you can use it on a zen nano plus? I use the zune more though, or try to
05:48:55krazykitthe supported players are listed on the front page
05:49:05scorchewebguest25: all the players that rockbox currently supports are listed on the front more, no less
05:49:10webguest40well I don't know how to run a battery bench mark. Is that just me keeping an eye on how long it lasts or is there a procedure.
05:50:31webguest25there's a battery bench file in the rocks folder in the rockbox directory, if that helps
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05:52:02scorchewebguest25: is a plugin that outputs a log file on the battery at different points so you dont have to manually time/watch the device and see when it dies (as well as recording useful information such as voltage, etc)
05:52:40webguest25also do the voice options work with the games, apps and other things?
05:52:51webguest40im going to install rockbox again tonight. I love they way I can load my songs without using itunes. makes it easier to backup songs on my other computer as well.
05:53:09webguest40thanks scorche appreciate the help and info.
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05:57:52Davide-NYCno dual booting with iAudio X5 huh.
05:58:50Davide-NYClet me rephrase that (sorry) Does the iAudio X5 bootloader support booting Rockbox and the OF?
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06:03:16*midgey cheers for his host mask
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06:03:31midgeyDavide-NYC: i think its only possible through a patch
06:04:15scorchemidgey: it is a cloak...the hostmask was there regardless ;)
06:04:22Davide-NYCare there plans to implement this similar to the iriver H1x0 bootloader?
06:04:41midgeyscorche: irc terms...
06:04:49scorcheyes :)
06:05:23Davide-NYCI'm trying to get a neophyte user to embrace RB, would like a way for her to back out without bringing the unit back to me.
06:05:30midgeyDavide-NYC: if someone did it correctly i'm sure it would go into svn
06:05:39Davide-NYCof course
06:05:57midgeyi believe the patch relies on the OF somehow (or it did)
06:06:28JdGordonanyone know whats needed to get the viewports+wps patch commitable?
06:06:55scorcheJdGordon: a couple hours early? :)
06:07:18JdGordonyeah, but im bored now...
06:08:00webguest25I know this is a dumb question, but how do I log out of this thing? I clicked the close thing in the first frame but nothing happened. do I just close the window?
06:08:12scorchethat will work
06:08:36scorchethe "close thing" in the first frame only closes your current window
06:08:39webguest25ah thanks
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06:09:42zemosorry to bother, but when I download the current build for my 30gig Ipod the file has nothing in it.
06:09:54scorcheare you on a mac?
06:10:22midgeythe zip contains a folder starting with a dot which are hidden on make
06:10:43scorchethis is because the folder contained in the .zip file starts with a "." which denotes it as hidden...just make sure and extract it to the root of your ipod liek the instructions say
06:11:16midgeyyou can either make finder show hidden files, use terminal to unzip the file to your ipod, or use pathfinder
06:11:35scorcheor use rbutil
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06:11:44midgeyor that
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06:18:42JdGordonanyone in here definatly still experiencing the disk access after every track?
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06:41:19*JdGordon would really like Nico_P to decide its a nice to to get into irc before 6am :p
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07:00:32Bagderits before 7am :-)
07:00:47Bagderok, now it _is_ 7 am
07:01:42JdGordonanyone think there would be much uproar if the shuffle behaviour was changed so the playlist viewer showed the playlist in the order, but the current track jumped around?
07:01:55JdGordoninstead of doing the full shuffle before starting
07:02:10LloreanI'm quite certain there would be some objections.
07:02:33LloreanI mean, if you save a shuffled playlist, doesn't it save the shuffled order?
07:02:41Bagderit does
07:03:04LloreanSo long as it's actually shuffling the playlist, and not "random playback", I think the playlist viewer should show the true order.
07:03:05JdGordonarg, forgot about saving playlists...
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07:03:28Labyrinceerm hello, is anyone on?
07:04:15scorche131 users by my count
07:04:51Labyrinceah, but that does not always mean activity
07:05:19Labyrinceanyways, do you happen to be knowlegeable with the ipod mini cf hack?
07:05:21scorcheyes, but they *are* on
07:06:00Labyrincesorry for my poor choice of words
07:06:19scorcheit is typically best to just come right out with your question rather than start off with a few "narrowing", you can get a response if someone sees the question in their backscroll that way
07:06:42Labyrincethanks scorche
07:07:03Labyrincewell i have no idea what to do with the minicf.diff file
07:07:20Labyrincei dont know what directory to put it in, or if im supposed to compile it or something this is more of a "how do i patch" question?
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07:08:22scorchesee, this doesnt have much to do with "being knowlegeable with the ipod mini cf hack" :) might want to have a look at
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07:08:59Labyrinceso i need to compile it myself then...
07:09:04Labyrincethanks scorche
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07:09:30Labyrinceis there a precompiled version somewhere i could use?
07:09:33 Nick banOP is now known as BenjaminRogers (n=kushal@
07:09:41JayzusPewpBenjaminRogers: stfu, queef
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07:10:13BenjaminRogersone last time,
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07:11:10scorcheLabyrince: you might want to check in the unsupported builds section of the forum...although as the name implies, those builds are unsupported
07:12:49scorcheKushal: really...please dont do that again...if you must, leave the channel before doing that...creates much less spamm
07:13:17KushalI am not doing that again. sorry.
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07:13:57Labyrincesadly for me, there is none for 2g mini
07:14:06*Bagder chases his kids down the stairs to get breakfast
07:14:13scorcheLabyrince: then it seems that you are back to that wiki page
07:14:54Labyrincewiki page?
07:15:11Labyrinceoh i see lol
07:16:22Labyrincewhat is the paste command in cgywin?
07:16:54scorchei dont know...i dont use cygwin...but perhaps google would know
07:17:15Labyrinceyeah you're right, no need for me to annoy you all with easy to answer questions
07:18:15Labyrinceif i were to create a build, i just put it on the unsupproted builds right?
07:18:51Hodappwhoa, rockbox has a text browser?
07:19:07*Hodapp rushes to go raid Project Gutenberg
07:19:09scorcheHodapp: it has a lot of things..
07:19:20Labyrinceoh god, it doesn't reconize svn
07:19:41scorchethen you havent set it up according to our instructions
07:19:56Hodappscorche: yes... but a text browser is of interest to me
07:20:09Hodappit reduces the amount of crap and gadgets I need to keep track of
07:20:15Labyrincebut its the first instruction :(
07:20:16scorcheLabyrince: only put it there if you are willing to comply with the GPL, provide hosting, etc...also, people will be expecting you to help them with the build, as we wont
07:20:29scorcheLabyrince: not of the cygwin install page linked on that page
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07:27:06Labyrinceoh well i guess im stick with ofw today, thanks scorche
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07:35:15lst2.heard midk
07:37:38Nico_PJdGordon: here now
07:37:50lst2Me vxo
07:38:09lst2U seattle
07:38:40scorchelst2: is this turning into something rockbox-related?
07:38:51midkaylst2: excuse me?
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07:39:36lst2I need to talk to z
07:40:10zemowhat kind of text files can rockbox read
07:40:12lst2Vaxjo darn it
07:40:44zemoI was unsuccessful in finding the info on my own. prob did't look in the right place
07:40:59lst2Stupid cellphone
07:41:12scorchelst2: if this isnt turning into something rockbox-related, please take it somewhere else..
07:41:19midkaylst2: well, i'm here.
07:42:23lst2Where can we talk
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08:03:43JdGordonNico_P: the only playback->playlist code is just asking for the next filename to buffer right?
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08:19:56*amiconn notices JdGordon around
08:20:10*JdGordon notices amiconn also... *wink wink*
08:20:19amiconnJdGordon: Could you please check the behaviour of those 'simplelists'?
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08:20:38JdGordon... which behaviour?
08:20:47amiconnE.g. the 'Open with..' submenu uses such a list, but the list items do not scroll
08:21:07amiconnThe simplelist itself does use lcd_puts_scroll()
08:21:30amiconnIt looks like the simplelist is redrawn way too often, so that the scrolling text has no chance to start scrolling
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08:21:52JdGordonyeah, sounds right, should be a simple fix
08:22:17amiconnNoticed this on the Player, as it made 2 plugins undistinguishable (bookmark....)
08:23:35amiconnI also noticed that if I enter the 'Open with...' menu, wait for the hdd to spin down, then leave it, during the time the disk spins up again (no dircache on Player of course), the text starts scrolling briefly (visible until it gets replaced by the browser)
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08:26:29JdGordonamiconn: should fix it
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08:30:38amiconnIs this explicit ACTION_NONE check necessary?
08:31:17amiconnI mean, what's the chance of a changing line count at the same time as another action?
08:31:27JdGordonyeah, very slim
08:31:41amiconnI think (action == ACTION_REDRAW) || (old_line_count != simplelist_line_count) could be sufficient
08:31:56JdGordonyeah, probably
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08:37:36amiconnJdGordon: It does fix the 'Open with..' behaviour. Shall I coummit?
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08:43:31amiconnLinusN: The 'diff' links in the leftmost column of the build table do not work...
08:44:09amiconnCorrection: The topmost 3 don't work. The older ones do
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08:52:17LinusNi'll leave that for Bagder
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08:56:35*GodEater notes that gevaerts name is still not displayed correctly on the front page or in "Last 4 weeks"
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08:58:13amiconnGodEater: In 'last 4 weeks' he is displayed correctly...
08:58:51GodEaterso he is
08:58:56GodEaterI meant recent
08:59:17*GodEater resolves to actually read the URL he's talking about next time
08:59:31LinusNthat's Bagder's domain. i tried to fix it, but the myriad of different scripts confused me, so i only managed to fix the last-4-weeks script
09:00:09GodEaterhas the high speed USB code stabilised for writing over the weekend ?
09:00:16LinusNdon't think so
09:00:32GodEaterI saw some discussion about it yesterday but wasn't sure of the resolution of said discussion
09:00:47GodEaterit dissolved into fixing someone's sansa
09:01:35*GodEater updates the Gigabeat S entry on wikipedia's Rockbox page a bit
09:01:41amiconnWriting works on hdd based targets, *if* the device mounts properly
09:01:53GodEatercould you define "properly" ?
09:02:07GodEaterand why does mounting make any difference ?
09:02:18*scorche sees a bit of LinusN -> Bagder -> Zagor ;)
09:02:28amiconnOn sansa, it causes some data corruption which seems to be caused by the sd driver, but only in conjunction with usb highspeed transfers
09:02:49GodEaterso likely some sort of timing issue ?
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09:03:22LinusNamiconn: what does "if the device mounts properly" mean?
09:03:25amiconnGodEater: On my windows box, it works properly when plugged directly into a root port. If I plug it into my hub, explorer hangs (probably trying to access the mini) until I pull the plug again
09:04:10amiconnIf it mounts and data transfer is possible, that data is correct
09:04:34amiconnWith fullspeed, I can plug it wherever I want, it always works
09:04:42LinusNi'd still file that under "unstable" :-)
09:06:02GodEaterI have my 5.5G plugged into a "hub" (monitor actually)
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09:06:32GodEaterseems to have mounted fine too
09:07:18amiconnIs that a 2.0 hub?
09:07:57GodEaterwell - it appears to support high speed in any case
09:08:05amiconnHmm, interesting
09:08:08GodEaterthe ehci module is the one which has picked up the device
09:08:19GodEaterand I got around 5MB/s transfer speed on a read
09:09:03LinusNcould it be a powered vs non powered hub issue?
09:09:06amiconnI compared highspeed transfer speed on my mini. On reading, rockbox is as fast as apple diskmode, on writing it manages ~70% of diskmode speed
09:09:13amiconn(if it works at all)
09:10:19GodEaterI'm seeing resets in dmesg output on write attempts
09:10:20amiconn2.1MB/s read. 1.4MB/s write (diskmode), 900kB/s write (rockbox). Well, this is just a microdrive....
09:11:53amiconnMy hub is powered
09:14:37amiconnThere is one other (active) device connected to it: a printer
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09:24:15JdGordondoes anyone think a funciton which stops all scrolling lines which fall in a viewports area, but are not part of that vp is a bad idea?
09:26:35GodEateryou mean so they can't overwrite the viewports area ?
09:26:49amiconnIt sound like something unnecessarily complex
09:27:03GodEaterand do you mean "clip" ?
09:27:11GodEateror do you just mean "stop them scrolling" ?
09:27:34JdGordonim talking simple, so just checking if the line extends into the vp
09:27:40JdGordonand yes, force the lines to stop
09:27:51JdGordonatm, im beign forced to stop all scrolling when enetering the lists
09:27:58amiconnActive viewports shouldn't overlap, so this issue should not exist
09:28:23GodEaterviewports all overlap the "master" viewport though
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09:28:30GodEaterI thought that was the concept anyway ?
09:28:41JdGordonthe issue is the wps scrolling lines still scroll in the list vp because the list doesnt know how to kill them by their vps
09:30:07amiconnI would think that if you switch from the wps to a list (browser, menu etc), the wps would be responsible for destroying its vp
09:30:36JdGordonthats a bad assumption because 99% of the screens cant do that right now
09:31:05JdGordonand that would add heaps of overhead, having to stop them at every exit point
09:34:42*JdGordon would _really_ like more testers for 8457 so any bugs can be sorted out before commiting.....
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09:47:02LinusNJdGordon: is the idea to have one .vp file per screen?
09:48:04LinusNor per widget?
09:50:53JdGordonits not a .vp anymore, just a ingle string saved in the .cfg
09:51:01JdGordonand umm.. per widget atm
09:51:48LinusNi see now, sorry for not paying attention
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10:01:11kugelBagder: docs/COMMITTERS isn't in utf-8, is it? Shouldn't it be utf-8?
10:01:46*markun was also wondering about that
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11:19:20mrkikoNote that rockbox crashed again successfully within the FM tuner...
11:19:39*petur briefly mentions
11:21:38*GodEater wonders how crashing can be described as "successful"
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11:22:07GodEaterpetur: do we have a project list yet ?
11:22:51peturthere's a wiki page but it is mainly stuff of last year on it
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11:24:25*mrkiko doesn't know how a crash can be defined so, but he knows he is totally broken in his mind now...
11:24:49mrkikoaniway the virtual keyboard is having some problems ... some times.
11:25:04GodEaterpetur: I'm just reading that now
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11:31:24GodEaterI think having some more client side tools as projects would be useful - to build the database for example.
11:31:37GodEateror to build the pictureflow cache for those people that use AA
11:31:54*GodEater stares despondently at his ipod screen as it struggles through doing that very task...
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11:33:11GodEaterhas the real time "text to speech" idea been abandoned ?
11:33:22LinusNnot officially
11:33:22GodEateror do we just think submitting the same project two years running would be a bad idea ?
11:33:58LinusNone problem is the GPLv3 issue
11:34:03GodEaterah yes
11:34:09GodEaterI'd forgotten that
11:35:53GodEaternothing really leaps out at me from the current list of project proposals as a killer "google would be mad not to accept this" project yet
11:36:03GodEaterapart from maybe the Rockbox as App one
11:37:20petursome viewport work would be nice (convert screens to use vp)
11:38:42peturand maybe somebody could redesign the fmradio screen
11:38:59GodEaterit's been a long time since I used that
11:39:16GodEaterI only have one target with radio, and it lives in my car, meaning I don't use the FM radio on it ever.
11:39:22LinusNi tried the Apple FM radio screen the other day - it's really nice and simple
11:39:41amiconnApple FM radio screen?
11:39:44LinusNtoo simple for my taste, but it worked really nicely
11:39:59LinusNyes, the screen you get with the Apple FM remote control
11:40:56amiconnHmm, actually I have no idea how that fm remote works in conjunction with the main device
11:40:58LinusNit's easy to design a nice gui when you don't have to support multiple themes and font sizes...
11:41:11amiconnRather odd way of providing fm radio support imho
11:41:23LinusNdefinitely, but it works
11:43:12peturmaybe the WPS idea should be expanded to REC and FM screens... or all screens?
11:44:16LinusNthere once was this idea of a template concept
11:44:34*petur is annoyed by the mp3 resume glitch
11:44:44LinusNthe nasty noise?
11:44:58LinusNyeah, i hate it
11:45:18peturcan't believe it hasn't been fixed yet
11:46:00LinusNmost bugs don't fix themselves
11:46:18barrywardellany objections/comments about this:
11:46:29*amiconn doesn't know about a nasty noise
11:46:31peturI know, but this is core functionality...
11:46:33barrywardellit boosts the cpu frequency to max in the sansa bootloader
11:46:51amiconnThat is, I do, but not regarding mp3
11:46:52peturamiconn: resume an mp3 and there's some noise before playback starts
11:47:00amiconnNever noticed...
11:47:17LinusNi have noticed it on my X5
11:47:22barrywardellshould it apply to all other PP bootloaders?
11:47:27LinusNbut only when you resume directly after boot
11:48:21*amiconn thinks bootloaders should never set cpufreq to maximum
11:48:43GodEateriPhone ?
11:50:03LinusNi also think bootloaders should stay safe
11:50:35barrywardellwhat's wrong with it? the of bootloders do it
11:51:38barrywardelland it speeds up the e200 bootloader a lot when it's used as a replacement for the of bootloader
11:56:39amiconnLinusN: I would like the coldfire bootloaders to set cpufreq to normal instead of keeping the slow 11MHz
11:56:49amiconnBut not maximum, of course
11:57:17LinusNi can go with that
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11:58:05barrywardellthe sansa starts up at 24MHz and when the OF bootloader is done, it's at 80MHz
11:58:38barrywardellamiconn: what's wrong with maximum?
11:59:11amiconnIf the bootloader hangs, the cpu would be locked at maximum frequency, draining a lot of power, producing heat etc
12:00:10polaroidi just installed rockbox on my ipod, and it runs great; however, when i plug it into my computer (x64 windows vista ultimate) it crashed my computer and brings me to the blue screen of death. advice?
12:00:50Bagderpolaroid: get a better OS on your pc?
12:01:37polaroidi wish
12:01:42polaroidits a laptop
12:01:52polaroidid install linux but backing up is a bitch
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12:02:15Bagderwell, it's not really Rockbox's fault your OS is crap...
12:02:39polaroidbut id still like to know if anybody else is having the same issue
12:02:47gevaertspolaroid: go back to an earlier build. Builds up to and including 2008-02-22 don't cause the problem
12:02:50LinusNwell, rockbox isn't exactly nice to the usb host as it is now
12:03:39Bagderwell, an OS shouldn't go bazoom anyway
12:03:53barrywardellamiconn: if the bootloader hangs, it will be draining power regardless of the frequency, so maybe it's a bit worse, but imho not much
12:04:14amiconnIt's much worse....
12:04:19polaroidid do that if i could plug it in T_T
12:04:23polaroidbut thank you
12:04:28amiconnDid you ever try keeping a small H10 at 80MHz for a while?
12:04:29Bagderoh right
12:04:32gevaertsThe problem seems to be triggered by a change in the usb serial number that rockbox sends back. It starts at r16374
12:04:35amiconnIt becomes hot...
12:04:42Bagderpolaroid: but you can use the OF for it
12:04:48gevaertspolaroid: boot into emergency disk mode, that should work
12:04:58polaroid0f? emergency disk mode?
12:05:10barrywardellamiconn: hmm. ok. heat is more serious
12:05:20BagderI find it hilarious that a bad usb id crashes vista...
12:05:30polaroidme too XD
12:05:37polaroidstill pretty annoying though
12:06:04polaroidwhat is an 0f?
12:06:19polaroidand how do i boot into emergency disk mode
12:07:05gevaertspolaroid: it should be in the rockbox manual somewhere. I can't help more, as I don't have an ipod
12:07:14polaroidthank you
12:07:45barrywardellamiconn: but how likely is it that the bootloader will hang without the user noticing?
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12:08:07SSnakehi all
12:10:14gevaertsCan someone with an ipod, linux and recent svn check if the serial number actually is ok ?
12:13:48barrywardellamiconn: the current rockbox sansa bootloader runs at 80MHz (and probably all the PP ones) and there have been no reports of problems
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12:34:31markunhi SSnake
12:35:11SSnakehi markun :>
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12:38:44markunSSnake: I thought maybe you had a question and were waiting for someone to respond..
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12:43:14SSnakewell,yes i had a question...about google SoC, but i asked directly to a developer
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12:45:37*amiconn only noticed yesterday that he caught an interesting svn revision on Saturday :)
12:46:01Bagder"Google Summer of Code 2008 is on!"
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12:47:08SSnakeanyone else interested in SoC?
12:47:18BagderI think a lot of us are
12:48:08GodEaterI think we need some more inspiring project ideas
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12:49:19*amiconn likes the GSoC idea, but won't use anything from Google that requires registration
12:50:30Bagderyou use code that comes as a result of gsoc... :-)
12:53:57amiconnThat doesn't require *me* to register with google....
12:54:02LinusNwhat kind of registration do you mean?
12:54:36BagderLinusN: the mentors and students need to register
12:54:41Bagderand amiconn is paranoid
12:54:48LinusNof course they have to register
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12:55:23LinusNyou can't expect google to hand out piles of money to anonymous strangers
12:58:21amiconnI don't think I'm paranoid. Of course I understand that I have to register if it's about money.
12:58:48GodEateramiconn isn't paranoid, google really *are* out to get him
13:00:04Bagdergsoc is about money
13:01:40mrkikoMy h340 suffers of the resume glitch,, but I never signaled it - I'm tired of speaking about rockbox problems. So much good people is working on rockbox.
13:01:53*GodEater would like to think GSOC is about helping open source projects. Money is just the way to acheive it....
13:04:38GodEaterI think it's a shame amiconn refuses to register too :( - I think he'd make a great mentor.
13:04:58barrywardellsome interesting statistics on sansa boot time using various bootloaders:
13:05:28*barrywardell is hoping that they will persuade amiconn and LinusN that running the rockbox bootloader at 80MHz is a good idea
13:05:56*Bagder is with barrywardell on this
13:08:35*mrkiko is crashing
13:08:51daurnimatori would do gsoc
13:08:56daurnimatorbut I'm not 18
13:09:25amiconnbarrywardell: Sansa is PP5022/5024, so heat might not be that big an issue. But H10 and several iPods are PP5020, and heat definitely is an issue on those
13:10:51barrywardellamiconn: on my H10, at least, the bootloader already runs at 80MHz. I can't comment on the iPods because I don't have one
13:11:45barrywardellamiconn: for the time being, I'm only proposing setting the cpu frequency on sansa since that's the only place we can safely replace the bootloader
13:11:52gevaertsamiconn: speaking of heat, could you try high-speed usb on the H10 with the trigger_boost() calls from usb_storage.c removed ? It doesn't work at all any more on my c250.
13:12:51*gevaerts means high speed doesn't work at all any more without boost
13:14:30amiconnbarrywardell: I'm not concerned about regular bootloader operation, as that's just a few seconds. But imho the bootloader should stay safe even if it locks up for whatever reason (broken hdd ...)
13:18:06barrywardellamiconn: yes, but making sure the sansa bootloader runs at 80MHz is not really changning the current behaviour
13:18:45amiconnIiuc it is
13:18:55barrywardellamiconn: and I think it's far more likely that rockbox could freeze while boosted which would be the same problem
13:20:13gevaertsIs there anyone here who can reproduce the Vista BSOD issue and can try a test build ?
13:20:17barrywardellthe sansa of bootloader leaves the device running at 80MHz when it starts the rb bootloader, so that's what I mean by it not changing the current behavious
13:20:36fyrestormi'll try it out
13:22:07*gevaerts is waiting for a slow upload to finish
13:22:39amiconnbarrywardell: It is, because right now if the sansa loader would hang, it would not start the rockbox bootloader at all. So if it acts up, it would not be the rb bootloader's fault if something goes seriously wrong
13:23:01gevaertsfyrestorm: wget gevaerts/">
13:23:20fyrestormgot it
13:23:29*gevaerts typed one word too much, and hopes Bagder won't get angry about it
13:23:59amiconngevaerts: Not before tonight
13:24:11gevaertsamiconn: ok.
13:24:18barrywardellamiconn: but if the rockbox bootloader hangs, we're still running at 80MHz and it is the rb bootloader's fault if something goes seriously wrong
13:24:19pixelmais the recent svn table on the frontpage gone for somebody else?
13:24:26amiconngevaerts: Do you already have an idea (aka, checked with the usb tracer) what could be the cause of the hub problem?
13:24:44fyrestormbarrywardell: yes
13:24:56gevaertsamiconn: not yet. I hope to get to it later today
13:27:37fyrestormgevaerts: no bsod
13:27:51*Bagder looks at gevaerts and hrmpfs ;-)
13:28:06gevaertsfyrestorm: thanks. That confirms the serial number theory.
13:28:22*gevaerts promises he will try to change his old habits some day
13:28:25fyrestormjust tried it on vista 32
13:28:38fyrestormif i disappear now
13:28:44fyrestormon my 64 bit
13:29:13fyrestormyeah we're good
13:33:00peturpixelma: yes, it seems gone...
13:33:22peturZagor probably fixed it :)
13:33:45gevaertsSo the Vista BSOD problem is definitely triggered by something in the USB serial number. Any objections to disabling the serial number if USE_ROCKBOX_USB is not set ? That will make Vista users running the daily builds happy until we have a real fix
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13:34:13fyrestormno objection :P
13:36:56GodEaterand while we're at it, send a note to Bill, c/o Microsoft, congratulating him on such a highly strung OS ?
13:37:28Zagorit's great being able to BSOD any demo computer by just plugging in rockbox :)
13:37:44fyrestormmake it an option.
13:37:53*GodEater resolves to walk through Dixons and Currys and murder all the laptops on display
13:38:01Zagorif UP is pressed, crash host :)
13:43:44amiconnXP has no problem with rockbox' usb serial number
13:44:01amiconnPerhaps vista doesn't expect a 40-char serial number?
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13:45:37gevaertsamiconn: this specific commit went back to minimal-length serials, so 16 digits for ipods
13:45:59gevaertsCan anyone check if the serial number looks reasonable using lsusb ?
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13:48:46webguest62hello!i am porting rockbox to meizu m6.i need some help.after decrypting original frimware i need to dissembely this file and read the ARM dissembelycode.but i can find anywhere arm dissemlyer.could you give me a link our have a look on this code?
13:54:42GodEaterwebguest62: the GNU objdump utility will disassemble arm code in a very rudimentary manner, or you can pay for IDA pro, which does a much better job, but costs money.
13:55:14Bagderthere's also an arm disassembler in the rockbox source code tree
13:57:37webguest62<Bagder>where is this?
14:02:32webguest62i cant gind it.could you give me a link on utils?
14:04:51GodEaterthere isn't a "link" to it
14:04:56GodEateryou need to checkout the rockbox source tree
14:05:02GodEaterand find it in there on your local machine
14:05:08*petur proves there is a link :p
14:06:34*barrywardell creates FS #8642 to discuss the sansa bootloader and boot cpu frequency issue
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14:33:21hcsIt's really stunning how different the icons make things feel.
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14:39:28billeniumMy Database has been building for 4 minutes :P and its staying at 453 Files :(
14:41:54billeniumIs this an error?
14:42:05zedd_D1abl1are there any movies?
14:43:10zedd_D1abl1is that all the files on your RockBox player?
14:43:15billeniumOh its an iPod Nano
14:43:27billeniumI'm not 100 percent sure, but i think it is
14:44:00billeniumHold on, im going to check :)
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14:44:43zedd_D1abl1then it's probably tying off the end of the database etc. I'm not too sure as my Gigabeat took about 20-odd seconds then told me to shutdown and restart.
14:47:37zedd_D1abl1I'd hold off hard resetting for a little bit
14:47:56GodEaterit's possible it has choked on a bad tag in a file too
14:48:04GodEaterin which case resetting might be your only choice
14:48:18billeniumWell brb...
14:48:22zedd_D1abl1yeah. leave it another minute then hard-reset
14:48:53GodEaterthere are a lot of people out there with badly tagged music. At some point our database code should get round to handling that ;)
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14:49:21zedd_D1abl1well at least some people tag their music. I know mine by intro only
14:50:43*GodEater has no idea what that means
14:51:23zedd_D1abl1None of my music has proper tags
14:52:29GodEaterit can be a fairly daunting task to remedy that if you have a large music collection too
14:52:43GodEaterI ended up using musicbrainz to sort mine out once and for all about a month ago
14:52:47GodEatertook me a week =.
14:53:48zedd_D1abl1I used musicbrainz for about 30 minutes, then it named AC/DC "Shoot to thrill" -> "She's my girl" and I decided it wasn't too accurate
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14:56:49GodEaterinteresting - I don't think it mistagged any of my music
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14:57:06GodEaterthere were some it didn't know tags for (so it gave them none) - but for the most part is was very accurate
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14:58:01zedd_D1abl1Maybe mine was just a really crappy encode. that was before I started using Ubuntu as my main OS, RockBox on my Gigabeat and FLAC as my encoding of choice
15:00:08billeniumis there anything like iTunes for linux?
15:00:23zedd_D1abl1XMMS seems to be the one most people use
15:00:33GodEaterXMMS is so out of date it's not funnt
15:00:37Nico_Pbillenium: amarok
15:00:50zedd_D1abl1i honestly wouldn't know, I use Rhythmboz
15:01:15billeniumWell i need a way for it to put it on my iPod like iTunes does (tags and right placement...)
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15:01:17GodEaterit depends which features of iTunes you're after when you ask that too
15:01:28GodEaterbillenium: then gtkpod or amarok are what you want
15:01:51zedd_D1abl1although with RockBox you should be able to just drop them on there IIRC
15:01:51GodEaterXMMS definitely doesn't do that
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15:02:08GodEaterzedd_D1abl1: yes, but then he can't play tracks back in the OF
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15:02:24zedd_D1abl1who uses OF once they've got RockBox?
15:02:36HodappDoes Rockbox have any funky plugins that support ratings or anything? I don't really even know what normal iPod firmware does because I had it replaced after 2 1/2 hours
15:02:46GodEaterzedd_D1abl1: lots of people
15:03:02GodEaterHodapp: Rockbox does ratings itself - no plugin required
15:03:13HodappI suppose I should be RTFMing about now.
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15:07:47krazykityeah, you really should be Hodapp :)
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15:17:01Soul-BurnBug: Ipod photo. reset and load original firmware. reset to rockbox. shut down. wait for about an hour. loading the player hangs with a "low power" symbol tho there's more than enough juice
15:17:21GodEaterSoul-Burn: yes - this is a well know bug in the apple flash bootloader
15:17:49GodEateri.e. nothing whatsoever to do with Rockbox
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16:10:48pondlifeThanks to whichever Swede put the revision number into the frontpage table.. any chance the same could happen to the last 4 weeks, since 2.5 and the (still mysteriously arbitrary AFAIK) since Aug 1st 2006 tables?
16:11:15*pondlife would prefer a last 6 months instead of 1st Aug 2006....
16:13:26pondlifeAlso thanks to Lear, that was a mighty good commit
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16:15:35Nico_Pindeed it was
16:15:48pondlifeGreen delta, simpler code and about 10 fixed bugs
16:16:19pondlifeNico_P: I almost sent your drive on Saturday but got to the post office too late and it had shut.
16:16:31Nico_Papparently there are still some resume issue left, aren't there?
16:16:38pondlifeI don't think so
16:16:57pondlifeThe bookmark issue has been fixed for one person at least
16:17:10Nico_Pwhen do you think you'll have another shot at it (the HD)?
16:18:03pondlifeIt's sat here all labelled and ready, but I don't have a car during the week, and the nearest p/o is 35 mins walk. So, probably Sat morning
16:18:40pondlifeOr I might fix my bike :)
16:19:23amiconnNico_P: So far it looks like Lear's additional commit fixed the flac resume issue. At least it didn't happen again in the folder where I got it before
16:19:37Nico_Pamiconn: good news :)
16:19:55pondlifeIt seems to have made startup faster here.
16:20:44pondlifeAlthough I did seem to have a very short battery life on Sat evening, about 6 hours...
16:20:54pondlifeI'm currently running a battery bench
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16:22:01peturnow for the mp3 resume bug....
16:22:20Nico_Ppetur: what's that one?
16:22:37pondlifeThe noise?
16:22:47pondlifepetur: Do you have crossfade on?
16:22:59Nico_Pah yes
16:23:02peturno crossfade
16:23:31pondlifeI've had it happen, but not reproducible. Also it didn't seem related to first play after boot.
16:23:47pondlifeAs in, when it happened, I could stop and play and get a burst of noise each time
16:23:55pondlifeOn H380
16:24:16pondlifeI've not had it happen on Gigabeat F20, or sim.
16:25:10pondlife(I expect logbot won't like this, but here goes.) I've not had it since Lear's commit though.
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16:48:55markunBagder: are you in charge of flyspray?
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16:51:44peturI think Zagor is
16:52:14*pondlife considers an H300 bootloader with CPU boosted...
16:53:12peturwhat for?
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16:53:48pondlifeDid you see the speed improvement on Sansa -
16:54:01brainwreckthat was going to be my question haha
16:54:17pondlifeWe boost fairly quickly after boot anyway
16:55:02pondlifeI'd be interested to see if it makes such a noticable difference on Coldfire.
16:55:03amiconnRead today's log, around noon
16:55:37amiconnI wouldn't want our bootloader to switch to cpufreq_max for safety reasons
16:55:55amiconnThe coldfire bootloaders should switch to cpufreq_normal though, imho
16:56:43pondlifeI agree with barrywardell that a lockup during playback/buffering (when boosted and potentially unattended) is more likely than during boot.
16:57:39pondlifeI've had a locked/boosted H340 with no pin handy in the past too. It gets a little warm, but no smoke ;)
16:58:05*petur knows the feeling
16:58:20peturrunning back inside for a paperclip
16:58:36pondlifeI was on the motorway, 80 miles from home
16:58:48pondlifeIn a hire vehicle...
16:59:16peturI now have a paperclip hidden behind the silicon skin ;)
16:59:38LambdaCalculus37petur: Always come prepared. :)
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17:00:10pondlifeAt one point, I was considering fitting a reset button. But luckily Rockbox became much more stable.
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17:03:13amiconnOn H300 we could activate the PCF poweroff safety measure. Would be a little illogical because you could then switch off the H300 by holding ON for a while, but still better when being stuck without a paperclip...
17:03:33pondlifeHow long to hold?
17:04:00amiconn8 seconds iirc
17:04:07pondlifeThat would be good, IMHO
17:04:12amiconnBut if rockbox is responsive, we can reset the timer
17:04:37amiconnSo even an extended hold wouldn't switch it off by accident, as long as rockbox didn't lock up
17:04:49*pondlife wonders why Iriver bothered with the reset button hardware, given this exists...
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17:05:45*petur boots OF to see if they implemented it
17:06:12pondlife8 seconds is plenty long. I don't think it's likely to be triggered by accident (although I don't suppose it could respect the hold switch).
17:06:31pondlifeI guess putting it into a pocket might push/hold PLAY, but it's unlikely.
17:07:09amiconnpondlife: Probably they just took over the "proven design" from H1x0
17:07:24peturof doesn't shutdown after 8 secons...
17:07:46pondlifeseconsd ?
17:08:04*petur kicks pondlife
17:08:10*pondlife drops his beer :(
17:09:10pondlifeI guess I'm just itching to try the SVN bootloader again, and boosting the CPU to max seems like a good way to add a bit of thrill risk.
17:09:59peturwhich reminds me I was going to find out why SVN fails on my h380 sometimes
17:10:03*LambdaCalculus37 gives pondlife another beer
17:11:29GodEaterwho put "file transfers are now supported" on to MajorChanges? Seems a bit premature given it's not enabled in the current automated builds
17:12:32midgeyGodEater: it was Nico_P
17:13:00linuxstbGodEater: I was just thinking the same - IMO we should remove that line
17:13:13GodEaterme too
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17:13:37Nico_Pmaybe just add something about it still being experimental and not enabled by default
17:14:01GodEaterI think we should just hold off on it at all until it's supported in the same way everything else in MajorChanges is "supported"
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17:18:40brainwrecki am loving RB on the sansa e200. I am wondering if there is a way to get RockBoy to run faster or if there has been any optimisation of that ?
17:19:19GodEaterbrainwreck: you've set the frameskip option already ?
17:19:35brainwrecki set the skip to 3 i think
17:19:50midgeybrainwreck: start programming and make it run on both cores and use the assembly core from iboy
17:20:10linuxstbNico_P: IMO, the MajorChanges page is for users to see when new features are implemented. As the new USB driver isn't enabled in official builds, I don't think it's worth mentioning at all.
17:20:25*GodEater agress again
17:20:30GodEaterand agrees too
17:21:49*petur counts to 5 before editing that topic himself
17:21:58Nico_Ptrue, but it did get mentioned once ("2007-11-23: Initial USB Stack for PortalPlayer 502X based devices")
17:22:38peturit did change charging behaviour
17:22:56GodEaterso was worth mentioning then
17:22:57Nico_Poh, didn't know that
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17:27:43GodEateryou were counting to 11 for what ?
17:27:54*GodEater applauds the MajorChanges wikioverlord and his actions
17:28:01webguest13question about tockbox
17:28:12GodEatercan't wait
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17:29:45webguest13is this where we ask help for on rockbox?
17:29:58fyrestormim getting random shutdowns and totally battery drains on my ipod when scanning a new database
17:30:13GodEaterfyrestorm: let it charge more before you use it ?
17:30:18LambdaCalculus37webguest13: What's your question?
17:30:20fyrestormfully charged.
17:30:28GodEaterthen sounds like you need a new battery
17:30:32fyrestormits not really random
17:30:36peturwebguest13: unless it is mentioned in the manual/wiki...
17:30:42fyrestormbut it happens everytime
17:30:59GodEaterfyrestorm: I repeat, sounds like you need a new battery then
17:31:09webguest13i got rockbox up and running on my ipod, but when I look at the file structure with a file manager (like midnight commander) I cannot see any of the rockbox files
17:31:32GodEaterwebguest13: presumably it hides files starting with a "." then
17:31:46LambdaCalculus37GodEater: Beat me. :)
17:32:14webguest13no I do see files from podzila (I installed ipodlinux earlier)
17:32:20LambdaCalculus37webguest13: Linux (and Unix) hide files and folders that begin with a "."
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17:32:31GodEaterwebguest13: what's that got to do with rockbox ?
17:33:16webguest13I was trying to add a wad file to the doom game by manually dragging it there but can't seem to find any files
17:33:26preglowwebguest13: if you've got rockbox running well, then they're there, simple as that that, look for .rockbox at the root
17:34:36*LambdaCalculus37 tries to remember if Midnight Commander had a hidden file view option
17:34:49*preglow never liked any of the commanders
17:34:52webguest13I do see .rockbox at /media/.rockbox but there isn't anything in it
17:35:07preglowwebguest13: then you don't have a working rockbox install
17:35:16LambdaCalculus37webguest13: Download and reinstall again.
17:36:11preglowwebguest13: and make sure to remove the "rockbox.ipod" file it sounds you have placed at the root directory after you have installed again
17:36:13webguest13when I unplug my ipod, rockbox comes up and I can play some of the games
17:36:37preglowwebguest13: well, ok, then something is awfully wrong, you can't play games if .rockbox is empty
17:37:19webguest13yes midnight commander has a hidden file option and i have it enabled
17:37:27preglowthose games are placed in .rockbox/rocks/, and you sure as hell can't play anything if that directory does not exist
17:37:32webguest13yes preglow I know it is freaking weird
17:37:58preglowwell, screw midnight commander, use "cd" and "ls"
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17:38:15webguest13maybe I should remove all the ipod linux (non-existant rockbox files) and reinstall rockbox from there
17:38:25preglowand it sounds like you're doing something weird, you shouldn't be looking in /media/.rockbox, you should be looking in /media/IPODNAMEHERE/.rockbox
17:38:37LambdaCalculus37webguest13: Yes, good idea.
17:38:37webguest13lol preglow
17:41:24webguest13ok I'll do that then and see what happens. Ok if and when I get rockbox installed with viewable files, how would I add playlist etc so the databse finds them
17:41:52preglowreading the manual would be a good start
17:42:00preglowalso, the db doesn't deal in playlists as far as i know
17:42:06GodEaternope it doesn't
17:42:14LambdaCalculus37webguest13: Our manual has many answers, and is your best friend.
17:42:39webguest13I have read the manual (probably too fast) so I will do that again. Thanks for the help
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17:45:19LambdaCalculus37webguest13: Always remember: Read the manual. If what you're looking for isn't there, THEN come see us.
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17:46:35webguest13now I see what happened
17:47:02webguest13rockbox was installed on the Apple partition of the IPOD
17:47:45webguest13when I deleted all of the old ipodlinux install I could see the rockbox files
17:49:08webguest13question? I should be able to run the rbutil from my home directory in my linux box? I don't need to have the rbutil on my ipod, correct?
17:49:44LambdaCalculus27webguest13: Yes.
17:49:59webguest13cool, thanks
17:50:10GodEateris that not clear in the manual ?
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17:51:11webguest13well anything new (install rockbox etc) can sem confusing and the install directions were either that or just to damn easy
17:51:40GodEaterI didn't understand that sentence
17:51:44GodEateris it clear or not ?
17:51:56LambdaCalculus37What wasn't clear about the instructions?
17:52:00GodEaterright thanks :)
17:52:07GodEaterwhat would you prefer to have read to make it clear ?
17:52:17GodEaterthen we can change it
17:54:07webguest13the instructions on the automatic install tell you what it does and directs you to the rbutil then thats it. It would helpful if after that, you have some very basic, simple, clear install instructions
17:54:54LambdaCalculus37webguest13: RBUtil has well labeled buttons, and it shouldn't take too much guesswork to say "Oh, so this button does this" and "That button does that".
17:55:19webguest13Ex: 1. Download the rbutil from here (link). 2. Extrct the file using (whatever) to you home directory. 3. Make (file) executable by (instructions)
17:55:33brainwreckI was absolutely amazed at how seemless the install was
17:55:42brainwrecki was expecting to have to go through contortions
17:56:03brainwreckcongratz on a very slick open source product !
17:56:12LambdaCalculus37brainwreck: Thank you very much. :)
17:56:20webguest13well not everyone has the same inteligence as others
17:56:23*LambdaCalculus37 gives brainwreck a cookie for his kind words
17:56:33brainwreck... the sansa software is ridiculous. so nice to have it replaced
17:56:45webguest13I too thought it is an easy install once I got the util to get going
17:56:55brainwreckGodEater do you happen to know what the best frameskip number would be for Rockboy on the sansaE200 ?
17:57:07LambdaCalculus37webguest13: Can you run the util right now?
17:57:18webguest13and I am not knocking it, it is fantastic, just trying to offer some info on my experience with it
17:57:23brainwreckmidkay I am a decent programmer ... have other people done this deal with iBoy already ?
17:58:42carsWebguest13: One thing I noticed while installing with rbutil was that it wasn't immediately clear which option to choose when clicking the complete install button when the dialog comes up saying something like ""Ipod firmware is working and up−−to-date. Do you want to replace it?"
17:58:54brainwreckoh it was midgey and he left
17:59:48brainwreckthere was something with RButil where an FAQ was saying NOT to use the full install button
18:00:06brainwreckbut instead to use the Bootloader and then Install buttons seperately on the second tab
18:00:25brainwreckbootloader installer*
18:00:33LambdaCalculus37brainwreck: Thanks for pointing that out.
18:00:47LambdaCalculus37webguest13: Do you see what brainwreck just mentioned? Did you use that install method?
18:01:01brainwreckyeah now that i think about it that was the snag I ran into with RButil
18:01:13webguest13the softare is fantstic, the install instructions are good but I think what is missing is a very simple 1. 2. 3. set of instructions at the end of the automatic install info
18:01:33webguest13ah ok thanks agin
18:01:43brainwreckwell those instructions are there ... but then you find out they are wrong for the time being from the FAQ
18:02:02brainwrecki think that will all be fixed in due time, judging by how solid the rest of it is
18:02:16carsI echo webguest13's praise. Other than a weird specific 2gen Ipod issue, I have had no problems, given that this is rapidly changing experimental software.
18:02:43webguest13I am uninstalling the rockbox install from my ipod and gonna do I complete fresh install
18:03:08webguest13it is taking a while to uninstall the bootloader
18:03:24webguest13it's just siting there on 0%
18:03:30brainwreckmidgey left.. does anyone else have any input about using iBoy with RB on a SansaE200 ?
18:04:15webguest13bbl gotta run to the store, anyone want anything
18:06:12brainwreckand he said " both cores " ... I did not think the sansa had multiple cores
18:06:43Bagderbrainwreck: it does
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18:06:57Bagderbrainwreck: and iboy is ipl, not rockbox
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18:07:27brainwreckipod linux yeah. someone was suggesting porting part of it or something
18:07:50Bagdersure, that should indeed be possible
18:08:11brainwreck"<midgey> brainwreck: start programming and make it run on both cores and use the assembly core from iboy"
18:08:31Bagdersounds like a fair summary ;-)
18:09:00brainwrecki do not know squack about assembly haha
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18:10:55brainwrecki bet if ' make it run on both cores' were a quick task it would have been done by now
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18:12:00Bagderbrainwreck: not necessarily
18:12:15BagderI don't think many people care for rockboy or bothers much about improving it
18:12:19*Bagder runs off
18:12:22GodEaterbrainwreck: yeah - we only have one vaguely interested developer for rockboy
18:12:30GodEaterand I've not seen him for months
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18:13:38brainwreckhmmm... the pacbox plug is really neat
18:13:50brainwreckis there a way to get other roms running on that ?
18:14:02brainwreckor is it pacman only
18:14:32brainwreckthat plug appears to run at full speed
18:14:45GodEaterpacman only
18:17:53GodEaterLlorean thinks RBUtil needs it's *own* manual ?
18:17:59GodEaterwow - it must be really complicated now
18:19:12*Domonoky thinks rbutil doesnt need a manual, it needs more work ! :-)
18:19:39brainwreckGodEater haha
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18:20:12brainwreckwell... its not complex but at least for my install it does not function correctly and I had to resort to the FAQ for a workaround
18:20:16GodEaterwell Llorean wouldn't say that if he didn't mean it
18:20:20brainwreckwhich aint so bad,,, I was expecting way worse
18:20:54gevaertsPutting the usb tracer between my laptop and my sansa makes the ehci errors go away. Since the tracer should act as a repeater (at most), this might point to a signal quality issue. There are still resets, following 95-byte packets that should be 512 (those look familiar...)
18:21:31*Domonoky doesnt see any bugreports about rbutil in the tracker, so it must be working perfectly :-)
18:21:44GodEatergevaerts: I tried out High Speed on my 5.5G today
18:21:49GodEaterI get resets in dmesg when trying to do writes
18:21:53GodEaterreads appear ok though
18:22:28gevaertsDoes it recover from the resets ?
18:22:58GodEaterwell it keeps trying to write I guess
18:23:27GodEaterI was doing an "find /mnt/ipod/ -name "blahblahblah" -exec rm {};" at the time
18:23:30GodEaterso it was hard to tell
18:24:18gevaertsSo you were basically stress-testing it. I seem to get most resets from reads. It recovers quicly though
18:24:31GodEaterI didn't see any for reads
18:24:41GodEaterI'll try using it a bit more tomorrow to see
18:25:00GodEaterI have to run now
18:25:02GodEaterlater all
18:25:07LambdaCalculus37GodEater: Bye!
18:26:52carsDoes Rockbox use a significanly higher amount of memory than the default Ipod OS? It seems like it does not or is not able to buffer more than one or two songs in it's memory (the hdd spins up after almost every song).
18:27:38carsI have a 2G Ipod.
18:27:41Horschtiipod 5.5G 80GB?
18:27:59JdGordoncars: do you use dircache?>
18:28:13Domonokycars: rockbox should use all aviable memory for buffering... so the often spinups are something else..
18:28:55Domonokyit could also be the fontcache ( if your songs have text from many different languages, or if you use a very big font)
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18:29:25carsJdGordon: You mean Load DB to RAM? Yes, I do.
18:29:37JdGordonno, i mean dircache...
18:29:50Horschtidefinatelly sounds related to FS #8601
18:30:01JdGordoncan you open your .rockbox/config.cfg file in notepad and see if there is a line "dircache: on"?
18:30:08carsJdGordon: Sure.
18:30:16JdGordonif there isnt, can you test a build for me?
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18:34:47carsJdGordon: No, it is not. I can test a build if it's not there, but not immediately.
18:35:53JdGordonok, pm me an email and ill send you the build... I think dircache could be causing the extra spinups (even if its disabled) but cant test it out
18:36:20JdGordonwhich ipod?
18:36:42cars2G, so I have the "random builds don't work" bug
18:37:06JdGordonarg, ok
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18:37:46amiconncars2: The 'random builds don't work' does have different symptoms though
18:38:03amiconnThe builds which don't work do crash on boot, more or less immediately
18:38:29pixelmabut if JdGordon wants to provide a test build...
18:40:11cars2amiconn: that is correct.
18:40:56JamPSibtw my sansa is slow when I've just started it, takes much time to change to a next song when I start playing...
18:41:51amiconnIf a certain build does crash, adding a certain number of 'nop's (which needs to be adjusted by trial and error) helps. Number of necessary 'nop's varies from 0 to 3
18:42:41*amiconn thinks he should try to track down the exact spot where this alignment issue hides
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18:48:01brainwreckis there some sort of language these players use , or is everything coded in assembly ?
18:48:12cars2amiconn: I read about that, but didn't know exactly what it meant. It requires compiling each build, right? If I get my system set up to a point where I can do that, it would be nice.
18:49:11JdGordonBagder: can you get the revision number next to the date instead of the commit message? and showing on the 4weeks page also please?
18:49:49JdGordonI actually think its really only needed on the 4 weeks page and not the front page
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18:50:45amiconncars2: Yes, it does mean that you need to compile
18:51:54amiconn(or have someone who can do it for you)
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19:01:52Domonokyit seams the generation of rockbox-info.txt is broken... the target string is now empty !
19:02:18Domonokythis makes rbutil fail to generate a proper voicefile .. :-/
19:04:25linuxstbHmm, I can confirm it was broken Saturday morning, so sometime before then...
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19:07:48linuxstbDomonoky: Seems to be the change from ARCHOS to MODELNAME in r16149 - the equivalent change wasn't made in
19:08:15linuxstb(4 weeks, 5 days ago!)
19:09:06Domonoky:-) longtime...
19:10:30linuxstbDomonoky: Shall I fix, or are you?
19:10:52*Domonoky is just compiling with the fix, to see if it helps..
19:11:01Domonokybut feel free to commit it :-)
19:12:15linuxstbDomonoky: OK, committed.
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19:14:09JdGordonhey linuxstb, did you see the talk this morning (7am your time or so) about stopping all scrolling lines which would fall in a viewport, but that vp doesnt own the lines?
19:14:32*Domonoky likes bugs in rbutil which can be fixed without a new rbutil release .. :-)
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19:20:02linuxstbJdGordon: Yes. Not a straightforward problem...
19:20:36JdGordonno, but one which will need figuring out soonish..
19:21:31JdGordon'm happy using stop_scroll() for now, but when/if we get to a stage where the wps and list can be shown together this will need a real solution
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20:31:01gevaertsIs it (easily) possible (and harmless) to increase the voltage on a PP chip ? From what I've seen I strongy suspect that we have USB signalling quality problems, and I'd like to experiment a bit.
20:31:34Buschelgevaerts: what player do you have?
20:31:43gevaertsBuschel: Sansa c250
20:32:30*moos is wondering if those sansas are v2?
20:32:58Buschelthen you may ask saratoga. he played around with the core voltage supply.
20:33:00scorche|shsome might be, but as they are refurbs, i would guess that most are v1s
20:33:09BuschelI could tell you for iPods
20:34:31gevaertsOK. I'll ask him.
20:34:33moosscorche: luck depending then :)
20:37:42gevaertssaratoga: if you happen to read the logs, I'd like to know how to change voltages on a sansa c200. Can you help with that ?
20:37:49GodEater_Buschel: so what's the answer on iPods ? ;)
20:38:14Buscheljust a second...
20:39:44GodEater_isn't it a shame that AMD/ATI didn't buy PortalPlayer instead of nVidia ?
20:39:55amiconngevaerts: Did you test with the usb tracer?
20:40:24amiconnI think that if it is voltage, it's most certainly some I/O voltage, not the core voltage
20:40:36GodEater_amiconn: he did - he got no errors with his tracer
20:40:53amiconnAlso, afaik USB signal levels are 5V, so there must be some step-up converter
20:41:07GodEater_iiuc he thinks this is because it acts as a repeater in the middle of the connection, and therefore stepped up the voltage
20:41:07BuschelGodEater: You'll have to change "pcf50605_write(DCDC1, 0xec);" (=1.2V) in firmware/drivers/pcf50605.c to some other value like e.g. 0xed = 1.225V, 0xee = 1.25V, ...
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20:41:53gevaertsamiconn: I did some basic tests (maybe more tomorrow). There are two main results : (1) the ehci errors go away with the tracer in between, and (2) we still have incomplete packets some of the time (the old 95-byte problem). Those seem to be the ones that cause reset on read
20:42:24gevaertsAt least the first one makes me suspect signalling quality.
20:43:27gevaertsI might be able to get real measurements on that, but then I'll first have to convince the guy who knows the equipment to help me
20:43:57GodEater_Bagder can bribe him with the new source of income to the rockbox fund ;)
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20:45:07amiconnBuschel: Do you know whether DCUD is used?
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20:46:11GodEater_too late...
20:46:12*amiconn would think that the USB voltage is generated using that
20:46:59GodEater_shouldn't most of the voltage be coming from the host end of the connection (sorry if that's a naive question) ?
20:48:00gevaertsGodEater_: only the write side. That's consistent with what I see here : writes generate much less dmesg output (noearly none) than reads
20:48:18GodEater_curious that I saw the opposite then =/
20:48:34GodEater_I can't test again right now though
20:48:58*gevaerts remembers reading something about host vs device power in the iMX31 spec, and goes to check
20:48:59GodEater_so it's possible I didn't exercise the read function as much
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20:52:33amiconngevaerts: If the DCUD converter of the pcf50650 is actually the one providing USB power, and it's not enabled, output voltage would most probably be equal to input voltage
20:52:47amiconnSo USB signal quality would depend on charging state of the battery
20:53:00gevaertsI also have a trace of windows communicating with the OF, with the SD slot empty. I hope I can learn from that how to improve the SCSI part
20:53:08gevaertsamiconn: that makes sense
20:53:14Domonoky(and on power draw, ie a spinnding harddrive ? )
20:53:26amiconnNot by much
20:53:47amiconngevaerts: Would it be interesting to test with a nearly empty vs. fully charged battery?
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20:55:50gevaertsamiconn: possibly, but the results would have to be pretty repeatable IMO for them to make sense, so this might take some time
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21:02:36codesquidgevaerts, thanks for working on the USB support
21:03:00codesquidI have a sansa e280 and bought an 8GB microsdhc card today
21:03:19codesquidbut it doesn't show up under linux if I connect my player
21:03:37codesquidis there any way I can help getting it to work?
21:04:30desowinmake sure you have multiple lun support in kernel
21:05:08codesquidgonna check
21:05:16desowinCONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y - you should have it in kernel config
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21:06:23gevaertscodesquid: if you're running an official build it won't work yet. There are still too many reliability issues to enable it by default
21:06:37advcomp2019codesquid, what sansa firmware do you have?
21:06:54codesquidgevaerts, I have compiled it with enabled usb support
21:07:09codesquiddesowin, that option wasn't set, I'll recompile the kernel
21:07:53Teddy__How good is .ogg support for 2g ipods?
21:08:00codesquidadvcomp2019, the most recent that was available mid december from the sandisk website
21:08:11gevaertscodesquid: ok. I didn't really see if you could not see the SD card or nothing at all. The lun option is the problem then.
21:09:28codesquidanother issue: Under Windows it takes a long time after connecting the player till the drives show up in explorer
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21:09:46codesquid30 seconds or more while explorer is completely frozen during that time
21:11:10gevaertscodesquid: known issue. We don't implement all commands that windows expects properly yet.
21:11:33codesquidother than that it appears to be working ok so far
21:11:36codesquidkeep up the great work
21:13:52amiconnIf it really is usb voltage, then there's some more RE due
21:15:36codesquiddesowin, thanks for the hint, with CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN it works
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21:15:48gevaertsWhat's the fastest way to drain the battery ? backlight on, brighness at maximum and playing an mp3 ?
21:16:19codesquid100% cpu usage would help too, try doom ;)
21:16:41rashergevaerts: play some APE
21:16:49rasherand manually boost the cpu
21:17:41LambdaCalculus37rasher: Now that's a hell of a battery drainer right there. :)
21:18:03*gevaerts sets the brightness higher, and immediately goes blind
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21:19:13gevaertsThat _is_ bright. I now see why people want a flashlight plugin
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21:20:09pixelmagevaerts: don't forget the buttonlights (just saying because I have them turned off most of the time)
21:20:11codesquidnow add the insanely bright blue ring on the e200 series and it's even brigher
21:20:21codesquiddunno if c200 has buttonlights too
21:20:29amiconnrasher: On PP you don't need to boost manually when playing APE. It can't cope even when 100% boosted
21:21:20amiconncodesquid: It does. It's even split, for more interesting buttonlight effects ;)
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21:22:15*gevaerts goes to read the manual. This Settings menu is confusing
21:23:09rasheramiconn: yeah, that was just to be on the safe side
21:23:26amiconnThe big center button has a LED, and the menu button has another one. Both are individually controllable (i.e. the hardware allows it, rockbox doesn't offer separate settings as that would be overkill...)
21:24:11pixelmagevaerts: the buttonlight setting is in general settings > system > button light timeout
21:24:19gevaertsWhy does "Button light timeout" −−> off mean no button light ? Isn't that reversed ? (or am I being too litteral ?)
21:24:25*gevaerts found it
21:24:36rasherMan that wheel is so bright
21:24:52pixelmagevaerts: yeah, just thought the same
21:25:13gevaertsMaybe just call it "Button light" ?
21:25:49codesquidReminds me of one futurama intro gag: "Touch Eyeballs to Screen for Cheap Laser Surgery"
21:26:19*gevaerts now has a high-energy plasma with music in the background
21:26:26pixelmaI agree, the backlight setting isn't called "Backlight Timeout"...
21:27:12*gevaerts votes to change it
21:28:52codesquidbtw has anyone ever suggested porting a shell like bash to rockbox?
21:29:06scorche|shwhat would be its purpose?
21:29:15codesquidrunning my playlist generating scripts :P
21:29:37scorche|shwell, rockbox isnt linux, so there would be quite a bit to implement/change...
21:29:44gevaertscodesquid: go ahead ;-)
21:30:17codesquidunfortunately I have already have my own FLOSS project to take care of :(
21:31:12*gevaerts would recommend a scripting language that wasn't designed for interactive use
21:31:41Munkiei was just wondering, would a feature like being able to completely switch your screen off be useful? like a kind of screensaver. it would help to increase the battery life.
21:31:42codesquida C++ interpreter would be perfect for that ;)
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21:33:05gevaertsI was thinking more about python, lua or (why not ?) postscript
21:33:30codesquidpostscripts? no thanks ;)
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21:34:12gevaertsWhy not ? It's ascii and interpreted (and therefore a scripting language), and it is definitely not designed for interactive use
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21:34:55codesquidI don't know anyone manually writing postscript scripts
21:35:06gevaertsAnd we could implement usb printing as a bonus :-)
21:35:18codesquidI like that idea
21:36:16codesquidanyhow, lua seems to be a quite simple language
21:36:45gevaertscodesquid :
21:37:28*gevaerts thinks it's time to get back on topic
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21:38:22codesquidis there one language that does not have a webserver written in it?
21:38:55amiconnMunkie: On targets where the screen is unreadable without backlight *and* where we know how to do it, the display is switched off completely when the backlight is off
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21:39:37amiconnOn targets where the screen stays readable, doing that doesn't make sense
21:40:09ender`i hosed a printer at work for a few hours once when i sent a mandelbrot postscript to it :)
21:40:25amiconnThat said, LCDs don't need much power for themselves. The backlight is what sucks power...
21:41:26codesquidender`, the community printer in my flat frequently hangs due to people sending too large scripts to it :(
21:41:37ender`that one wasn't large
21:41:55codesquiddifferent size, same problem
21:42:16ender`it just took a while to render :)
21:42:25ender`(ghostscript needed about a minute on my computer)
21:42:34Munkieoh ok. im just trying to have some input into the rockbox system. thanks for answering my question
21:42:54*scorche|sh shoves a few people into #rockbox-community
21:43:24codesquidMunkie, there's an option to turn off the screen as soon as you enable the hold switch
21:43:55Munkieoh really? i only saw the option to turn off the backlight when you enable the hold switch.
21:44:41codesquidhmm see amiconn's reply ;)
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21:54:23Casainhohello RB people :-)
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21:55:09CasainhoI would like to know If USB sofware in RB just work in Portalplayer, why? Is there any specific hardware in Portalplayer?
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21:57:12gevaertsYes and no. Portalplayer chips have a USB controller from ARC (they have some other name now). The iMX31 chips have the same controller, and should be able to use the same driver.
21:58:41Casainhoah, okok... so USB software in RB is much dependent of hardware? :-(
21:58:41gevaertsYou basically can't do USB without some kind of dedicated hardware, be it a usb-ata bridge or a device-side or OTG controller
21:59:50Casainhookok... I wish good work to the guys that are working on USB, on PP :-)
22:00:06gevaertsIt's partly dependent. There is the controller driver (in usb-drv-pp502x.c) that is hardware-specific, and there are the higher-level drivers (usb-core.c, usb-storage.c and usb-serial.c) that should be hardware-agnostic
22:00:55gevaertsWhat chipset were you looking at ? Maybe it does have a controller or has a variant that does.
22:01:42CasainhoI was thinking in AT91SAM9260, from Atmel...
22:01:51*gevaerts googles
22:02:00Casainhofor this:
22:03:05Casainhoso I know now that in future we just need to do the usb-drv-AT90SAMx.c :-)
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22:07:49gevaertsusb-drv-pp502x.c is about 800 lines of code, half of which are register definitions and structure declarations. If you have documentation it shouldn't be too hard to write something equivalent, although at first sight toe AT91SAM9260's usb device controller looks a bit more low-level to me
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22:08:47Casainhookok, It's nice to know that is possible :-)
22:09:01Casainhothanks :-)
22:09:21gevaertsThe documentation mentions both device and host side high-speed controllers, so you should be fine
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22:14:21Teddy__How well does rockbox work with a 2nd gen mini in terms of ogg support?
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22:18:33stripwaxamiconn/gevaerts - any thing I can do to help debug my usb full speed connection woes on XP? I saw the discussion on how high speed works best when not connected to a hub, and I agree my symptoms look similar, but a) I'm full speed not highspeed and b) I'm connecting to the only ports my laptop has
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22:19:16stripwaxa new datapoint : if I plug my ipod into my laptop when my laptop is turned off, then turn on my laptop, it seems rockbox doesn't realise/notice that usb is connected at all.
22:19:53stripwax(no usb screen - although I see the soft disc icon in the corner; not sure how to interpret that)
22:20:32gevaertsstripwax: I would guess that these issues are not really high-speed specific, but more noticeable than at full speed
22:20:51stripwaxThat makes sense
22:20:56gevaertsstripwax: does the laptop see the ipod ?
22:21:34stripwaxgevaerts - hard to tell - the problem seems to still be that it doesn't see it properly and certainly doesn't assign a drive letter
22:21:34codesquidstripwax, that happens on my sansa all the time, about 30% of the time I plug it in no USB screen appears, yet the USB connection itself gets established fine
22:22:16stripwaxand when I safely remove, I always get a data abort on rockbox
22:22:57stripwax(after the "safely remove hardware" applet has stopped hanging, that is). OF works fine so pretty certain it's not directly a problem with Windows or the ipod
22:23:02gevaertsstripwax: in current svn the USB screen is triggered by the host OS starting enumeration within a certain time after connection. This is not too reliable. I'm working on fixing that, but unfortunately then I got high-speed to work so I got sidetracked
22:24:11stripwaxAnother datapoint - I do have the ipodservice installed on my pc (a "feature" of iTunes, although I have no idea what the service does, nor do I use iTunes) - reckon that could be related?
22:24:20gevaertsstripwax: You're on windows ? Then we have to take the various windows-related issues into account. that maes it even harder to know what happens. Anyway I'm working on fixing these windows issues as well
22:24:43gevaertsI don't know what that does either
22:24:45stripwaxI see the ipodservice has logged a message in the windows eventlog (although ipodservice logs unhelpful have zero useful content)
22:25:09Casainhogevaerts: good luck and good work on USB :-) :-) - may the Box be with you :-) :-)
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22:25:55stripwaxAre the "windows-related issues" various known usb spec 'deviations' or something I could help debug?
22:26:12gevaertsstripwax: like most windows logs ? It probably wants to complain about an ipod without all expected ipod functionality
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22:26:45stripwaxgevaerts - nah, the ipodservice doesn't register a message .dll properly, so you just get a message in the log saying "The description for Event ID ( 0 ) in Source ( iPod Service ) cannot be found."
22:27:25stripwaxThen again, I think it's just the service starting up at laptop boot time, rather than any ipod-connection message
22:27:30gevaertsThe windows-related issues are actually SCSI completeness/correctness issues. Windows just does more different things than linux, and doesn't handle bad responses as well.
22:27:51bertrikwhat is the currently intended behaviour on USB plug-in and holding select?
22:27:54stripwaxamiconn - you're having success on Windows?
22:28:38stripwaxgevaerts - anything I could do to track down / debug the data abort I get on unmounting?
22:28:54gevaertsbertrik: intended : no storage, only a "charging only" configuration that requests 500 mA. Actual : it starts mass storage anyway, which makes it dangerous
22:29:38bertrikok. If I plug it in without holding select, my e200 reboots
22:30:45gevaertsstripwax: maybe. I seem to remember that Data Abort gives something that looks like an address. Maybe you can find (using objdump −−syms) what data structure is involved ? (otoh, it might be an instruction address as well. I really don't know)
22:31:10Domonoky_lookup the data abort adress in the map file...
22:31:27gevaertsbertrik: Do you have a recent build with USB enabled ? That shouldn't reboot...
22:31:39*bertrik is building
22:32:10gevaertsDomonoky_: map file only contains non-statics IIRC, I prefer objdump on the .elf file for that reason
22:32:39stripwaxJust seen that Win does detect the usb device, reports it as a compatible USB storage device, at location 0 (Rockbox media player) - which sounds promising - but seems to have made no attempt to assign a drive letter or otherwise mount
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22:33:28stripwaxAlthough choosing to remove it prompts that it will remove a generic volume which *does* have a drive letter assigned (even though it doesn't seem to be visible). Which is confusing to say the least
22:34:22bertriksometimes, when messing with USB devices on windows, it helps to clear the device entry in the registry
22:34:31stripwaxsafely removed -> usb screen still there. removed cable, no data abort this time. very odd. maybe a timing thing. will see if it's reprocible
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22:35:11*gevaerts decides high speed works well enough for now, and goes back to infrastructure and SCSI work
22:35:16stripwaxbertrik - hm, good point. maybe it's confused due to prior knowledge of itunes connectivity
22:35:57bertrikHKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Enum\USB\Vid_0781&Pid_7421 <- remove that entry, you may have to set registry write permission for yourself first
22:37:23GodEater_I've found OF USB modes that behave differently on different windows PCs at work
22:37:29GodEater_some get assigned drive letters, some don't.
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22:37:44GodEater_Do you see the device appear in disk manager at all stripwax ?
22:37:55GodEater_that'll show devices without drive letters too usually
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22:39:29bertrikhmmm, my e200 reboots every time I plug usb in and not holding select
22:40:59stripwaxGodEater - oh, good call. Yes, I do see it, and it even appears to think it's assigned a drive letter. Although it doesn't seem to be one I can actually browse to.
22:41:00gevaertsbertrik: with USE_ROCKBOX_USB defined ?
22:41:25bertrikoh I thought that was no longer needed
22:41:36GodEater_stripwax: can you change the drive letter assignment?
22:41:40GodEater_you can usually do that too
22:42:49gevaertsbertrik: no, it's still needed, although now you also ave USE_HIGH_SPEED to play with. Be careful with that one though, the sansa flash driver seems to have a bug that gets exposed by writing over USB, especially high speed
22:43:16bertrikok, rebuilding now...
22:43:17stripwaxIt does let me do that, but it still doesn't appear to help (changing letter -> Explorer hangs)
22:43:30GodEater_stripwax: thought of getting a real OS? ;)
22:43:59GodEater_is your build with just the fullspeed code ?
22:44:02GodEater_or both?
22:44:27stripwaxAh, in the event logs : "An error was detected on device \Device\Harddisk1\D during a paging operation"
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22:44:51GodEater_your windows setup tries to keep the page file across all devices ?
22:45:05stripwaxOh. And windows has come back to life and assigned a drive letter now. I shouldn't need to change drive letter to make this work but it seems it has, in the end..
22:45:32stripwaxGodEater - I don't think that's what the message means but happy to accept I am wrong
22:45:40GodEater_easy to find out
22:45:47GodEater_check your page file settings
22:45:54GodEater_if it's one drive only then I'm wrong wrong wrong
22:46:07peturGodEater_: windows accesses some devices by mapping (parts of them) in memory. if a read/write fails you get such a paging error
22:46:27*GodEater_ grabs the dunce's hat and heads for the corner
22:46:33stripwaxGodEater - just one
22:46:37peturyou can get paging errors when accessing bad floppies too
22:46:54*gevaerts once told linux to swap to a floppy
22:46:54GodEater_is there a way to prevent that sort of access ?
22:47:04GodEater_gevaerts: why in the name of god?
22:47:22gevaertsGodEater: easy. To see what would happen when I ejected it.
22:47:29GodEater_and ?
22:47:43gevaertsIt crashed of course
22:47:51*stripwax tries changing the drive letter back to the original and waits for carnage to ensure
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22:49:40*gevaerts adds that he did this ten years ago. He would never do such things now of course
22:50:19*hcs just committed an ADX decoding fix and is waiting to see what breaks
22:50:22stripwaxHm, that worked too. I wonder if my system is now in a state where my original problem is no longer reproducible (sigh)
22:50:49stripwaxgevaerts - it works! and I'm still none the wiser!
22:51:03GodEater_stripwax: reboot!
22:51:10GodEater_that's bound to upset things again
22:51:33gevaertsstripwax: unfortunately, that sort of unpredictability is somehow expected...
22:51:35stripwaxI'll try (re)disconnecting and see what happens. Hey, I might even get that data abort that i didn't get last time
22:52:00GodEater_stripwax: on a different note, you up for a beer with me and linuxstb again sometime soon ?
22:52:19stripwaxGodEater - always
22:52:48GodEater_we tried getting pondlife interested, but he appears to have a much busier schedule for someone who lives in the middle of nowhere than you'd expect :)
22:54:10BagderI bet he just pretends ;-)
22:54:16hcsblah warnings
22:54:28GodEater_Bagder: you're probably right. He just doesn't want to arm wrestle again.
22:55:22stripwaxUsb detection: fast; drive letter assignment: slow slow slow. and consistently seems to not quite work without manually changing drive letter
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22:56:04stripwaxStill no data aborts however (updated build since I last got them so maybe something resolved itself in the interim)
22:56:12GodEater_are any of you windows chaps on the MSDN subscribers lists ?
22:56:17*stripwax is
22:56:31GodEater_are there still "Debug" builds of windows on them ?
22:56:46gevaertsstripwax: can you change usb_storage.c to force inquiry->DeviceTypeModifier to 0 in identify2inquiry() ?
22:56:59stripwaxGodEater - good question. no idea but I can quickly (ish) check..
22:57:33GodEater_I vaguely recall back when I worked for a windows vendor that the geeks used those to debug hardware issues such as these
22:58:02GodEater_this was like 10 years ago now mind you
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22:58:09gevaertsGodEater_: they still exist as of XP. Not sure about vista, but I think so
22:58:14stripwaxgevaerts - sure.
22:58:25LycoLocohey guys - if every time I boot my gigabeat it shows "Committing database [1/9]" what can I do to fix that? I don't really use the database that often, so if I have to nuke it, that's fine
22:58:43*gevaerts won't admit to using windows at work these days
22:59:27GodEater_I only use it when I have no other choice
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23:00:37peturamiconn: if I understand correctly, the mini contains a CFII microdrive, so it is not really out of spec to report 0x848A (which is standard CF signature value)
23:00:54stripwaxLycoLoco - every time or only when you've added new files? btw you can delete the database files (to turn off the database) - or disable the database automatic update
23:00:58LycoLocoevery time
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23:01:14LycoLocoI"ve tried initializing the database again, but can't seem to get it to reset
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23:01:33stripwaxLycoLoco - what do you mean by "reset" by the way?
23:01:43LycoLocowhich files am I looking to delete if I wanna nuke the database entirely?
23:01:54LycoLocowell, reset meaning get rid of the message
23:02:10LycoLocoit never shows 2/9 or increments, it's always 1/9
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23:03:13stripwaxLycoLoco - it is slow - it may well get there 'eventually'
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23:03:17LycoLocohmm, that might explain it
23:03:33BigBambiLycoLoco: To be less confusing, you want to delete *.tcd in /.rockbox to remove the database files
23:03:33LycoLocostripwax: nah, every time it shows that and then about 10 seconds later loads up and plays music
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23:03:48LycoLocoit's not debilitating, it's just annoying, luckily
23:03:56hcsThere we go, clean as a whistle.
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23:04:20LycoLocoapparently the only file is database_tmp.tcd
23:04:40BigBambikill that then :)
23:04:57LycoLocotryin it now
23:05:02SlasheriLycoLoco: could you send that file to me?
23:05:03LycoLocosweet, that did it
23:05:09Slasherisomething is broken with your db
23:05:17BigBambiSlasheri: Too late!
23:05:20LycoLocoSlasheri: you asked about 3 seconds too late :( I just emptyed the recycle bin
23:05:27LycoLocolemme initialize the database and see if it does it again
23:05:41Slasheriif it does, please dcc it to me
23:05:53Slasherii have to go to sleep now but i have autoget on
23:05:58*stripwax rebuilds and copies rockbox.ipod *using rockbox usb* for first time - this is awesome
23:06:26LycoLocowill do Slasheri
23:06:39LycoLocohahha, nice stripwax :D
23:06:50LycoLococongrats on getting that working on portalplayer devices, team
23:08:06gevaertsI'd like to commit the parts of the latest FS #8562 patch that don't do the actual threading cleanups (because those are pretty intrusive and I'd like some more review on them). They shouldn't change anything functionally. Any objections ?
23:08:33LycoLocothanks Slasheri, stripwax - that seems to have solved the problem entirely. Sorry that I deleted the file before I coudl send it to you for analyzation
23:09:01*gevaerts wants to make the final threading cleanup patch as small as possible, so reviewing will be easier
23:09:06stripwaxOld problem of database being initialized when device is empty?
23:09:15SlasheriLycoLoco: then it sounds like you might have a filesystem problem
23:09:25Slasheriplease check the disk for errors
23:09:56gevaertsstripwax: I've updated rockbox so often over its own USB now that booting the OF starts to feel unfamiliar
23:10:01LycoLocoSlasheri: it's working fine now, database works and doesn't commit every boot (unless music is added or removed) either
23:10:25bertrikgevaerts: I have USB mass storage working now without a reboot on plugin, seems to also mount faster than when I last tried it :)
23:10:34stripwaxgevaerts - I was just about to say that it doesn't seem to have worked, but it seems I can access it from cygwin, just not from windows Explorer. odd..
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23:11:31amiconnpetur: I didn't complain about what the mini's CFII microdrive reports. That value has bit 15 set, as an indicator that it implements ata
23:12:04amiconnI rather complained about e.g. the MK8007GAH, which has word 0 bit 15 *not* set, although it should
23:12:05peturhmmm I was checking against the CF spec
23:12:24stripwaxyeah - command line has no problem, either cygwin or windows cmd, which is pretty odd - issue is that explorer seems to be unhappy
23:12:39amiconngevaerts: Try to let linux swap to a microsd card, and then eject that ;)
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23:13:10stripwaxDoes rockbox.ipod live in .rockbox or root? I might just be an idiot..
23:13:24amiconnIn .rockbox, for quite a while now...
23:13:25gevaertsamiconn: I know what it will do now :-)
23:13:36stripwaxamiconn - thought so.
23:13:50RoTtEwhere can i find ROCKBOX UTILITY ?
23:14:02*amiconn made that same mistake too, not very long ago... :\
23:14:07stripwaxoh, I only copied the new build to root (by mistake) - no wonder I saw no difference just now
23:14:14stripwaxamiconn - :-p
23:14:15peturamiconn: according to CF spec 4.1 it is ok to have bits 15:12 be either 8 or 0
23:14:15RoTtEi found it :D
23:14:54amiconnpetur: Okay, so we can't use bit 15 anyway to distinguish CF <-> ATA
23:15:07scorche|shRoTtE: if you are looking to install rockbox, i highly recommend you look around in the manual
23:15:15amiconnBut still, the MK8007GAH, and the ST660211FX, both violate the ata specs
23:15:32peturamiconn: right now I am thinking of using a value of 0x044A as CF indication
23:15:43RoTtEscorche|sh: i found it. didn't say were it wat
23:15:46peturneed more values from other cards
23:15:53stripwaxNew feature: pause playback -> usb insertion -> (do stuff) -> unmount -> rockbox "scanning disk" -> rockbox gives "error accessing playlist control file" and is now stopped.
23:16:03scorche|shRoTtE: sure it does
23:16:25RoTtEi know that now :P
23:17:16*gevaerts sees no objections to his plans...
23:17:29amiconnstripwax: For me, rockbox USB works quite well when using fullspeed, on all of my windows XP laptop, my AMD-64 linux desktop, and my USB-equipped Amiga
23:17:51amiconnIt's just highspeed that's giving problems
23:18:31amiconn(of course not on Amiga as that's fullspeed only anyway)
23:19:01stripwaxamiconn - I suspect my windows explorer drive letter assignment problem and the fact that ipodservice.exe is installed on the laptop are not coinciddental
23:19:07RoTtEmy Sansa is not in my computer. i meen it's there but don't have a drive letter. only a music icon :/
23:19:14RoTtEhow can i fix?
23:19:51RoTtEusb mode?
23:19:52*amiconn also has that ipodservice installed, but deactivated as he doesn't need it except for special cases
23:20:06RoTtEyeah! whay do i ask :P
23:20:07stripwaxgevaerts - forcing DeviceTypeModifier to 0 seems to have fixed! it still takes an age to detect, but now I get a drive letter in Explorer that works! cant i use Sansa 270 ?
23:21:47BagderRoTtE: are you trying to ask something?
23:22:01RoTtEBagder: yes
23:22:19Bagderok, let me know when there's a question coming
23:22:34gevaertsstripwax: I think I may set it that way until all scsi issues are solved. There might be downsides though. Some theories have it that Windows will now start putting recycling bins on it.
23:22:38scorche|shRoTtE: you need to change the mode to MSC mode...see the manual..
23:23:21RoTtEhello grate ppl! i wonder, can i use my sansa 270? only says 200 in the program. is it only sansa 200 or is it 200 seies?
23:23:27stripwaxgevaerts - hm, really? I know that windows might do that 'anyway' for some devices (seem to remember Windows did that for my H120, but I just told it not to afterwards)
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23:23:56BagderRoTtE: the e200 series include all e2x0 players (v1)
23:24:00gevaertsstripwax: it's not clear how it decides those things. Any info on that is welcome
23:24:37RoTtEBagder: okay thanks :) trying now
23:25:21stripwaxgevaerts - hm, spoke too soon - another disconnect+reconnect, no drive icon again. cmdline continues to work. odd.
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23:26:24amiconnstripwax: It depends on whether the device reports itself as being an usb harddisk (windows *will put* recycle bin and 'system volume information' onto it), or as a removable device (windows *will not* put said clutter onto it)
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23:27:31gevaertsamiconn: Are you sure that being removable is the only criterion ?
23:27:33stripwaxamiconn - cool. well it seems that hardcoding to 0 does not fix my issue after all so I don't see an advantage to reporting as a usb harddisk. Would there be any other possible benefits of doing so?
23:28:43gevaertsBy the way, while I was making a trace of windows-OF USB communications, I chose "eject" on the SD card, after which the both the internal flash and the SD card were inaccessible.
23:29:43amiconngevaerts: I'm quite sure. I know that windows doesn't put mentioned folders even on disk based ipods, while it does so on my irivers and archos player+recorder
23:29:56amiconnThat perfectly coincides with the reported device type
23:31:26amiconnRegistering as usb harddisk may have the advantage that windows might allow to enable write caching on the device, but I wouldn't do that anyway
23:32:22*amiconn likes to be able to just pull the plug without fiddling with 'safe removal', 'unmounting' or similar inconvenient stuff
23:32:22gevaertsamiconn: I know ;-) I would enable write caching on a floppy, but that might be me...
23:33:51stripwaxamiconn - with ipodservice disabled I see no difference so you're right, that's just a red herring (sorry)
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23:38:05W3b_6u3sthow do i get cygwin to compile a plugin that i programmed???
23:38:38stripwaxW3b_6u3st - you've already installed cygwin?
23:39:03W3b_6u3stand evryhing else incluging rockbox-bleeding
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23:43:09stripwaxamiconn/gevaerts - interesting (perhaps):
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23:43:50stripwaxW3b_6u3st - so everything is installed and set up according to the guide in the wiki? so you should just be able to configure, make now
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23:45:59Nico_Pgevaerts: do you know why creating a dir takes a long time?
23:46:00RoTtEBagder: works grate :D
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23:46:21gevaertsNico_P: no idea
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23:46:37*amiconn knows usb drive letter manager
23:46:40Nico_Pgevaerts: of course I mean over your USB code
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23:46:48*gevaerts guessed that
23:47:16Nico_PI've been using it a bit, and apart from that it's really nice
23:47:29gevaertsstripwax: I'm reading his troubleshooting page. There's a nice interpretation of "unique to each USB Vendor ID and Product ID pair" mentionned there
23:48:19stripwaxgevaerts - yeo
23:48:37amiconngevaerts: Yellow...
23:48:45Labyrincestripwax, would you be willing to help compile one for me?
23:48:57stripwaxLabyrince - compile one what?
23:49:22Labyrinceerm, im one of the ipod mini users with a cf card
23:49:40Labyrincei tried cgyiwin but for some reason it doesnt reconize the svn command
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23:50:35stripwaxLabyrince - um, did you install svn?
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23:51:09Labyrincethanks stripwax
23:51:16NEF|TwitchrHey, i need to convert some .wmvs to .mpegs to play in rockbox, anyone know good software?
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23:51:54Labyrincedo you want a torrent or do you want something free?
23:52:01NEF|Twitchreither would be nice
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23:53:01Labyrincethis one seems pretty popular
23:53:26NEF|Twitchrty man, u r my hero
23:54:02scorche|shNEF|Twitchr: please use real english in here..
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23:54:13NEF|Twitchrim sorry
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23:54:30peturamiconn: 8644 is a first proposal to make CF cards work... It would be interesting to collect more (all) device_info from all our devices, I'll try to run it on as many CF cards I can find :)
23:54:47gevaertsLabyrince: did you read item 6 on the IrcGuidelines page ?
23:55:06Labyrinceno sorry
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23:57:06scorche|shLabyrince: NOT encourage copyright infringement in this channel...that is one of the worse rules of this channel that you can break..
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23:57:43NEF|TwitchrI have a quick question. Does anyone know if the toshiba gigabeat f20 can play .mpegs with rockbox on it?
23:58:11scorche|shNEF|Twitchr: mpeg1 and mpeg2....see the wiki page PluginMpegplayer
23:58:16stripwaxAny chance Windows is putting up a fight because the device name is now "TOSHIBA MK6008GAH USB Device" rather than "Apple iPod USB Device"
23:58:33NEF|Twitchralright, thanks alot guys, appreciate it. Rockbox pwns
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23:58:50Labyrinceit did the same thing with my transcend CT card
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