| 00:00:01 | gevaerts | Yes. That would probably provide the most similar system |
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| 00:01:48 | amiconn | Hmm, now got one single reset on my H10 (after ~15 minutes of playing music via usb) |
| 00:02:04 | stripwax | Can we update the diskmode to dump out pcf/devenv registers via serial ? |
| 00:02:44 | * | stripwax half expects diskmode already has some serial output |
| 00:03:13 | pixelma | Febs: there's also a microphone hole at the left side (top -> bottom: microphone, lanyard thing, volume socket. And maybe mention which is volume up and volume down (and they are two buttons but feel like one, worth mentioning? |
| 00:03:22 | amiconn | The G5.5 rom has some serial console code in it |
| 00:03:41 | stripwax | console? wowzer |
| 00:03:44 | amiconn | But so far nobody could figure out how it is possible to run it |
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| 00:08:47 | amiconn | stripwax: "Bootloader UI Shell, Build Sep 10 2006, 19:49:21" |
| 00:09:25 | amiconn | Mini also has that, just an older version... |
| 00:10:37 | amiconn | Seems to understand commands like 'alias', 'checksum', 'dump', 'echo', 'run' etc |
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| 00:11:15 | stripwax | Wouldn't be surprised if it's enabled by a specific resistance in the accessory pin.. |
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| 00:11:37 | Febs | pixelma: thanks. I'll probably not have a chance to revise it today, but maybe I can get it done tomorrow. |
| 00:12:14 | pixelma | thank you too :) |
| 00:12:19 | kushal_12_27_200 | gevaerts, the screen says "Press any key to shutdown. 96 kB left". Is it done? |
| 00:12:25 | amiconn | It features some built-in help on parameters as well |
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| 00:12:58 | gevaerts | kushal_12_27_200: yes. Unplug the cable and press a key. |
| 00:13:41 | kushal_12_27_200 | done |
| 00:14:13 | gevaerts | kushal_12_27_200: now turn it back on. I expect the blue leds will light up, but nothing else. If that happens, plug it in |
| 00:14:26 | kushal_12_27_200 | yes, just as expected |
| 00:14:34 | gevaerts | kushal_12_27_200: Do you still have e200tool-mac ? |
| 00:15:15 | kushal_12_27_200 | no |
| 00:15:30 | kushal_12_27_200 | oo yes I do |
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| 00:16:10 | gevaerts | OK. Then run "sudo ./e200tool-mac recover pribootLoader.rom" |
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| 00:18:04 | Bensawsome_ | hey everybody |
| 00:18:49 | kushal_12_27_200 | it says command not found |
| 00:19:25 | stripwax | kushal_12_27_200 - you're running it from where e200tool-mac is? |
| 00:19:38 | gevaerts | kushal_12_27_200: try "chmod +x e200tool-mac" |
| 00:19:38 | kushal_12_27_200 | yes, desktop |
| 00:19:48 | kushal_12_27_200 | ok |
| 00:19:59 | gevaerts | Then try "sudo ./e200tool-mac recover pribootLoader.rom" again |
| 00:20:40 | kushal_12_27_200 | length write error, operation not permitted |
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| 00:21:38 | gevaerts | Unplug the sansa, turn it off, and put it back to manufacturer mode the normal way (hold switch on, and press select while powering on) |
| 00:21:55 | Bensawsome_ | o |
| 00:22:00 | Bensawsome_ | i have a sansa :D |
| 00:22:14 | stripwax | amiconn - do you happen to know where LinusN obtained his ipod serial cable? I was going to construct one but just thought, what I *really* want is a combined USB & serial cable... |
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| 00:22:51 | * | amiconn has no idea |
| 00:23:15 | kushal_12_27_200 | connected |
| 00:23:15 | gevaerts | kushal_12_27_200: When you've done that, plug it back in |
| 00:23:37 | gevaerts | kushal_12_27_200: OK. Now try "sudo ./e200tool-mac recover pribootLoader.rom" again |
| 00:23:43 | kushal_12_27_200 | I also turned the hold off before plugging in this time |
| 00:23:44 | * | amiconn might be on to something.... |
| 00:24:17 | kushal_12_27_200 | Length write error (-1, Operation not permitted) |
| 00:24:22 | Bensawsome_ | wait ur using a mac to do it? |
| 00:24:26 | * | stripwax can't wait to find out what ... :) |
| 00:24:40 | gevaerts | kushal_12_27_200: can you paste the full output somewhere ? |
| 00:24:43 | kushal_12_27_200 | yes, bensawsome_ |
| 00:24:48 | kushal_12_27_200 | yes |
| 00:24:49 | Bensawsome_ | aaaaaaa |
| 00:24:52 | Bensawsome_ | interesting |
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| 00:26:05 | kushal_12_27_200 | http://pastebin.ca/921341 |
| 00:26:13 | amiconn | Some most probably usb related code in the ipod roms (checked both mini and g5.5) fiddles with GPO32 bit 9 |
| 00:28:16 | kushal_12_27_200 | Did it work> http://pastebin.ca/921341 |
| 00:29:24 | gevaerts | kushal_12_27_200: Maybe something went wrong in putting it in manufacturer mode. Try that again, and run the command very soon aterwards (type it in or paste it before plugging in, and press enter after plugging in) |
| 00:29:59 | gevaerts | amiconn: that looks interesting. I guess you'll soon know more |
| 00:31:18 | gevaerts | kushal_12_27_200: I seem to remember that waiting too long between plugging it in and typing the command sometimes made it fail |
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| 00:32:14 | kushal_12_27_200 | same error again |
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| 00:34:54 | gevaerts | kushal_12_27_200: it should work. Try again a few more times. Make sure you turn off the sansa every time |
| 00:35:07 | kushal_12_27_200 | yes, i tried it again, and it worked this time. pasting result in pastebin |
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| 00:35:47 | kushal_12_27_200 | http://pastebin.ca/921352 |
| 00:36:12 | gevaerts | OK. Then you should now see some output on the sansa screen. |
| 00:36:31 | kushal_12_27_200 | the screen is off |
| 00:36:50 | kushal_12_27_200 | can I try once more? |
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| 00:37:03 | h3av3n | hello everyone |
| 00:37:17 | gevaerts | Try "sudo mount -t msdos /dev/disk1 /tmp/sansa" If it doesn't work, try again from the start |
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| 00:38:34 | h3av3n | Ok, of course like, I think, many others, I come with a question too... My question is: will rockbox work on non-apple ipods? (clones remakes and this like that) |
| 00:38:45 | krazykit | h3av3n, no, as they're different hardware |
| 00:38:49 | h3av3n | things* |
| 00:38:52 | h3av3n | :( |
| 00:39:38 | gevaerts | h3av3n: What do you mean by that ? It works on lots of players from different manufacturers. |
| 00:40:14 | h3av3n | i mean: company that produces clones of ipods they look the same they got the same menu just .. their cheaper |
| 00:40:47 | gevaerts | OK. Those probably won't work (unless they are actually the same inside as well, which seems unlikely) |
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| 00:41:29 | kushal_12_27_200 | this time it says http://pastebin.ca/921362 |
| 00:41:37 | kushal_12_27_200 | in the sansa screen |
| 00:41:53 | gevaerts | kushal_12_27_200: great. Now "sudo mount -t msdos /dev/disk1 /tmp/sansa" |
| 00:41:57 | h3av3n | well I don't thing it would be so much of an awe because instead of designing a different architecture to do the same thing, i'm leaning to think that they copied the architecture too.... |
| 00:41:57 | stripwax | h3av3n - if they genuinely look the same and have the same menu, how would one distinguish it from a real ipod? |
| 00:42:10 | h3av3n | It's not called Ipod |
| 00:42:12 | h3av3n | :D |
| 00:42:15 | amiconn | gevaerts: Could you tell me where the actual hardware init on usb connection does happen (the DEV_EN stuff)? |
| 00:42:17 | stripwax | what is it called |
| 00:42:23 | h3av3n | depends on the company |
| 00:42:26 | stripwax | name some |
| 00:42:28 | kushal_12_27_200 | done |
| 00:42:34 | h3av3n | the one i want to buy is named quick |
| 00:42:37 | * | amiconn wants to compare our sequence with what that rom test routine does |
| 00:42:44 | h3av3n | looks exactly like a mini gen 2 |
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| 00:43:00 | gevaerts | amiconn: firmware/target/arm/usb-fw-pp502x.c |
| 00:43:17 | gevaerts | kushal_12_27_200: now "sudo cp firmware.mi4 pribootLoader.rom header.txt /tmp/sansa" |
| 00:43:17 | h3av3n | Hyunday produces some ipod clones too |
| 00:43:25 | stripwax | h3av3n - any model numbers or links or anything? |
| 00:43:29 | krazykit | h3av3n, they copy what the software LOOKS like, they don't copy the hardware. they won't run rockbox. |
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| 00:43:32 | krazykit | not unless someone ports rockbox to that hardware. |
| 00:43:34 | stripwax | lots of people make mp3 players that look a bit like ipods |
| 00:43:42 | kushal_12_27_200 | ok |
| 00:43:52 | gevaerts | OK. then "sudo umount /dev/disk1" |
| 00:44:00 | h3av3n | these are identical not just a bit |
| 00:44:11 | kushal_12_27_200 | done |
| 00:44:14 | gevaerts | Then "sudo hdiutil detach /dev/disk1" |
| 00:44:25 | h3av3n | would they put that kind of work in rebuilding the whole hardware? |
| 00:44:42 | gevaerts | h3av3n: Have you opened them and compared the insides ? Pictures of ipod insides should be easy to find |
| 00:44:59 | h3av3n | true, i will try to find some ipod clone factory or something like that :D |
| 00:45:01 | kushal_12_27_200 | The disk unmounted but "hdiutil: couldn't eject "disk1" - error 49168" no outut on sansa |
| 00:45:05 | stripwax | h3av3n - my guess is they are cheaper than real ipods because they are not as good as real ipods. how about that? |
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| 00:45:34 | gevaerts | kushal_12_27_200: did the sansa say "LUN0 unlocked" ? |
| 00:45:51 | stripwax | thinking that cost reduction implies different hardware |
| 00:45:52 | kushal_12_27_200 | no, it is still LUN0 locked |
| 00:46:11 | gevaerts | kushal_12_27_200: run "df /tmp/sansa" |
| 00:46:32 | h3av3n | Same menu, same functions same everything i could say that the battery is the same because the shop selling it here wouldn't give them with 2 years warranty |
| 00:46:50 | stripwax | "same everything" implies it *is* an apple ipod |
| 00:47:02 | kushal_12_27_200 | pasting result in pastebin |
| 00:47:17 | stripwax | h3av3n - i have no idea what you mean by the battery being the same |
| 00:47:33 | h3av3n | same charging time |
| 00:47:39 | stripwax | If it works with Apple iTunes then it is an apple ipod |
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| 00:47:58 | kushal_12_27_200 | http://pastebin.ca/921370 |
| 00:48:13 | h3av3n | no theyr in the mp3 player category and its just, everything like an ipod (meaning that i compared the two myself) but its just not made by apple |
| 00:48:21 | h3av3n | some chinese companies or stuff like that |
| 00:48:41 | gevaerts | kushal_12_27_200: try "sudo umount /dev/disk1" again |
| 00:48:59 | stripwax | I just think you should be careful about what you mean when you say "same functions". You mean "it behaves like an mp3 player", not "it functions in exactly the same way as an apple ipod" |
| 00:49:00 | kushal_12_27_200 | done |
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| 00:49:19 | gevaerts | kushal_12_27_200: then try "sudo hdiutil detach /dev/disk1" again |
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| 00:50:01 | h3av3n | strip wax: if you dont turn them both with their backsides facing up and you see that one is missing the iPod written on the back you wouldnt be able to tell the difference |
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| 00:50:12 | kushal_12_27_200 | yes, now it is unmounted and ejected. The sansa screen says LUN0 unlocked LUN0 ejected. |
| 00:50:12 | stripwax | h3av3n - but anyway I suppose the point is, if nobody really knows anything about the hardware or the software of your mp3 knock-off, then we have no way to tell you if rockbox can possibly work on it |
| 00:50:25 | gevaerts | kushal_12_27_200: ok. Now unplug the cable |
| 00:50:37 | stripwax | h3av3n - what it *looks* like is just cosmetic. I could put my ipod in a shoebox and it would still be an ipod |
| 00:50:38 | kushal_12_27_200 | done |
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| 00:50:53 | gevaerts | kushal_12_27_200: does it do anything ? |
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| 00:51:07 | kushal_12_27_200 | yes, it booted and asked for language |
| 00:51:22 | kushal_12_27_200 | Should I go ahead and press english? |
| 00:51:28 | h3av3n | outside and inside, inside meaning: menu collors , button sizes ... |
| 00:51:31 | gevaerts | kushal_12_27_200: yes. |
| 00:51:37 | kushal_12_27_200 | done |
| 00:51:53 | teksimian | Hi there, I have a very basic question, the answer to which I couldnt find in the docs. If i put rockbox on my ipod, does that mean bye bye itunes, and that I can just copy mp3s onto it via mounted fs? |
| 00:51:55 | gevaerts | kushal_12_27_200: after that, just to make sure, choose "Format" in the Settings menu |
| 00:52:02 | kushal_12_27_200 | ok |
| 00:52:07 | gevaerts | Then choose yes |
| 00:52:26 | kushal_12_27_200 | format complete |
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| 00:52:38 | stripwax | h3av3n - menu colours and button sizes are still just completely cosmetic! |
| 00:52:38 | h3av3n | its true i don't like the ideea |
| 00:52:40 | kushal_12_27_200 | should I also change USB mode to MSC? |
| 00:52:47 | gevaerts | kushal_12_27_200: yes. |
| 00:52:52 | stripwax | h3av3n - were you able to find a link to info on any of these products? |
| 00:52:56 | kushal_12_27_200 | done |
| 00:52:59 | h3av3n | yes |
| 00:53:01 | h3av3n | clone of iphone |
| 00:53:05 | h3av3n | at 159$ |
| 00:53:08 | stripwax | iphone now? |
| 00:53:11 | stripwax | not ipod mini? |
| 00:53:11 | h3av3n | http://www.mp4nation.net/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=116 |
| 00:53:18 | h3av3n | im still searching for ipod |
| 00:53:21 | h3av3n | just found an iphone |
| 00:53:24 | gevaerts | kushal_12_27_200: It should be ok now. I'm wondering what went wrong this time. Did you unplug it unsafely or anything like that ? |
| 00:54:03 | teksimian | anyone? |
| 00:54:34 | krazykit | teksimian, you can still run itunes if you want, but it's your choice |
| 00:54:37 | gevaerts | teksimian: with rockbox the files can be anywhere on the filesystem, so |
| 00:54:40 | kushal_12_27_200 | I tried to sync it with a Windows computer that had some podcasts I wanted to listen. I think the syncing is what caused this. I am not sure, but since all I did except that was listen to music, |
| 00:54:42 | amiconn | interesting.... |
| 00:55:20 | kushal_12_27_200 | I am inclined to blame the syncing. I am never syncing my sansa again. I will just manually upload the files |
| 00:55:47 | gevaerts | kushal_12_27_200: that seems safer. Let's hope it doesn't happen again |
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| 00:55:55 | teksimian | krazykit, gevaerts, I would like to be done with itunes for obvious reasons. So I just copy the files onto the fs, and the firmware will find it? I don't have to use any third party program or anything, Correct? |
| 00:55:56 | kushal_12_27_200 | thanks a lot, gevaerts! you are the best |
| 00:56:08 | stripwax | h3av3n - so this iphone "clone" already has different specs to the real iphone, given that it weighs less |
| 00:56:19 | gevaerts | You're welcome |
| 00:56:20 | stripwax | so obviously the hardware is different |
| 00:56:32 | gevaerts | teksimian: rockbox will find it |
| 00:56:47 | h3av3n | did u weigh your iphone, or some iphone? |
| 00:57:02 | h3av3n | or got data from gsmarena? |
| 00:57:02 | teksimian | awesome. time to install rockbox :D what are the chances of me bricking my ipod? |
| 00:57:02 | * | gevaerts wonders what amiconn found |
| 00:57:13 | kushal_12_27_200 | when I plugged it back in, I found something different. |
| 00:57:13 | stripwax | h3av3n - I compared the specs on your link to the specs on apple's link . what did you expect? |
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| 00:57:27 | amiconn | Wait a few minutes, have to do some more checks |
| 00:57:35 | h3av3n | i thought you were going after gsm arena too they got crooked data here and there |
| 00:57:41 | kushal_12_27_200 | gavaerts, unlike last time when the folders had strange names, this time they have english names |
| 00:58:12 | h3av3n | whatever i can't find now much about that "quick" company producing the ipods i am selling, i will try and maybe see what i can dig up tomorow at work.... |
| 00:58:13 | stripwax | h3av3n - I don't know what that means. but this is getting off topic, rockbox will almost certainly never be ported to the iphone. |
| 00:58:19 | gevaerts | kushal_12_27_200: then I guess last time the recovery wasn't really complete. Probably you should have done a format then as well |
| 00:58:35 | * | stripwax notices the screen resolution on the clone is totally different too |
| 00:58:41 | h3av3n | jesus crhist I showed you a clone of an apple product |
| 00:58:44 | kushal_12_27_200 | I think you are rightand there are only two files in the root level, version.sdk and version.txt . |
| 00:58:49 | h3av3n | thats it just as an example |
| 00:58:54 | h3av3n | showing that those exist |
| 00:58:55 | kushal_12_27_200 | unlike last time |
| 00:58:56 | stripwax | it doesn't even have wifi! :) |
| 00:59:08 | teksimian | gevaerts; awesome. time to install rockbox :D what are the chances of me bricking my video ipod? |
| 00:59:16 | stripwax | ok so that's an example of not a clone, but a knock-off |
| 00:59:35 | gevaerts | teksimian: As far as I know near zero, but I don't have much ipod experience |
| 00:59:35 | h3av3n | that's what their called? sorry pretty bad english here |
| 00:59:49 | stripwax | I just mean it isn't a clone, as it isn't identical |
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| 01:00:12 | teksimian | thank you guys! gevaerts krazykit, thank you. |
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| 01:00:31 | krazykit | h3av3n, any more discussion of these knockoff products is offtopic, as none of them will run rockbox. |
| 01:00:37 | stripwax | Which I think was your original question - if the Quick mp3 player is really identical to the official product, then I'm sure it will work fine with rockbox |
| 01:01:22 | * | gevaerts doesn't care if it's a clone or not, but mentions the existence of #rockbox-community just in case |
| 01:01:25 | h3av3n | basically yes, that was my question.... damn that pretty much sucks, because from what i've read rockbox is a great piece of software |
| 01:01:40 | h3av3n | thank you gevaerts |
| 01:01:42 | stripwax | h3av3n - rockbox is great |
| 01:01:57 | * | amiconn is now more puzzled than before :/ |
| 01:02:10 | krazykit | h3av3n, well, if you want rockbox, it's as simple as buying one of the real players from the front page :) |
| 01:02:15 | h3av3n | i know and i hate that i probably wown't be able to take it to a spin |
| 01:02:20 | h3av3n | yes true but, low funds |
| 01:02:44 | amiconn | gevaerts: First, the good news: After playing the whole album (>70 minutes) off my H10 via usb, there were just 3 resets logged in dmesg |
| 01:03:18 | h3av3n | but i'm sure i will try |
| 01:03:32 | gevaerts | Not perfect, but still (IMHO) good enough to call it working. What's the bad news ? |
| 01:03:47 | h3av3n | im looking at some other knock-offs now and, some look like a video nano but with a monochrome screen :| |
| 01:03:52 | h3av3n | anyway |
| 01:04:08 | h3av3n | could i wreck the poor knock-off thing just by trying? |
| 01:04:14 | amiconn | Now, the puzzling one: I enabled the DEV_INIT2 handling in usb-fw-pp502x.c for PP5022 as well. That males it behave better on windows+hub (accesses are faster, less errors are logged in the system protocol), but worse on linux+front port |
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| 01:05:01 | amiconn | The usb test code in the mini's and g5.5's roms does handle DEV_INIT2 too |
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| 01:05:18 | krazykit | h3av3n, probably not. the bootloader would simply fail to install and you'd have a useless directory on your player. |
| 01:05:25 | stripwax | h3av3n - I sent you a private message |
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| 01:06:06 | gevaerts | Then I guess it should be enabled anyway. Buschel only did the for PP5020 before the usb stack was working properly, so the #ifdefs there are really guesses |
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| 01:06:39 | h3av3n | thanx krazy, at least i wown't give up without trying |
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| 01:09:18 | gevaerts | amiconn: also, I found that the number of resets can be pretty rando, |
| 01:10:53 | amiconn | Regarding the transient fullspeed devices - maybe we're enabling something in the controller that shouldn't be enabled? |
| 01:11:04 | gevaerts | I just read 100MB twice, the first time I got 14 resets, the second time 28 |
| 01:11:26 | amiconn | Those appear even if I plug the mini into the rear port of the linux box, but there are no resets |
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| 01:12:01 | amiconn | Yes, but a difference between a few dozen resets and successful mount and *thousands |
| 01:12:04 | gevaerts | They might be related to us only enabling the controller on plugin detect. |
| 01:12:13 | gevaerts | Ok. That's a big difference |
| 01:12:19 | amiconn | of resets and scsi errors and unsuccessful mount might be significant |
| 01:12:49 | h3av3n | ok, bye bye talk tomorow sometime |
| 01:14:57 | gevaerts | Enabling DEV_INIT2 here (laptop ports, sansa) doesn't seem to make a difference |
| 01:16:15 | amiconn | Some usb related init sequence in the rom checks explicitly for PP5020 vs. PP5022 ... |
| 01:16:29 | stripwax | ooh |
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| 01:17:30 | * | gevaerts still can't read assembly well enough to be able to spot that sort of thing quickly |
| 01:20:19 | amiconn | What that does (as far as I figured): * enable DEV_USB1 * wait 10 us * set bit 1 of REG_USBCMD * wait for that bit to become zero again * enter a subroutine that checks for PP5020 vs. PP5022 first, and then does some extended init in the 0x7000002x and 0x7000006x range for PP5022 only |
| 01:20:21 | amiconn | (!) |
| 01:22:07 | gevaerts | Wait for bit 1 of REG_USBCMD to become zero ? That sounds strange. That's the RUN bit |
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| 01:23:43 | stripwax | amiconn - hm, that sounds quite different to what usb_drv_init does currently |
| 01:24:25 | gevaerts | usb_drv_init() is actually later. That's straight controller initialisation. |
| 01:25:14 | gevaerts | usb_init_device() and usb_enable() in usb-fw-pp502x.c is what we're comparing with |
| 01:26:03 | stripwax | oh, sorry |
| 01:26:29 | gevaerts | It's still somewhat different though |
| 01:27:37 | amiconn | That extended init code is rather strange... |
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| 01:31:15 | stripwax | amiconn - bit 1 as in 0x01 or 0x02? |
| 01:31:23 | amiconn | 0x02 |
| 01:31:27 | amiconn | 0x01 is bit 0 |
| 01:31:32 | * | gevaerts slaps forehead |
| 01:31:50 | gevaerts | That's a controller reset |
| 01:31:57 | stripwax | so it's the same as usb_drv_init .. |
| 01:32:27 | stripwax | except we delay 5us rather than 10us |
| 01:32:41 | stripwax | and don't do any of that 'other stuff' |
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| 01:33:02 | gevaerts | Which explains why it works well on PP5020... |
| 01:34:21 | amiconn | On 5022, what happens is a whole series of bit flips in 0x70000028 and 0x70000060, with 10 us intervals |
| 01:35:39 | amiconn | I will call 0x7000028 just '28, and 0x7000060 just '60 to keep the sequence short. Numbers in [] are bits within those registers. Here's the sequence: |
| 01:38:09 | stripwax | wait - OF waits 10us, we wait 50 ms .. |
| 01:38:22 | stripwax | (for reset, that is) |
| 01:39:50 | amiconn | '60[0..3] = H, '28[16] = H -> L (i.e very short pulse), '60[5] = L * wait 10us * '60[5] = H * wait 10us * '60[0,1,3] = L, '60[2] = H * wait 10 us * '60[5] = L * wait 10us * '60[0..3] = L * wait 10us * '60[5] = H * wait 10us * '28[11] = H->L (pulse) * wait until '28[7] becomes L |
| 01:41:16 | * | gevaerts tries to put that in the code |
| 01:41:51 | stripwax | Total guess but maybe a bunch of flushing/resetting of usb controller state that is done automatically on 5020 |
| 01:42:12 | stripwax | i.e. maybe a software workaround for a usb hardware problem on 5022? |
| 01:42:21 | * | stripwax does too |
| 01:42:22 | amiconn | Unfortunately pp-5020.h mentions neither 0x70000028 nor 0x70000060 |
| 01:43:51 | amiconn | Here's the raw asm: http://pastebin.ca/921430 |
| 01:44:19 | amiconn | Note the check for PP5022 at the top; is_pp5022 returns 1 for pp5022, 0 for other pp502x |
| 01:46:06 | * | amiconn guesses that might be something portalplayer put in just to make RE more difficult |
| 01:46:15 | stripwax | heh |
| 01:46:29 | amiconn | I remember the infamouns "unlock >66MHz" bit on PP5002 and PP5020 |
| 01:46:56 | * | amiconn wonders whether ipl incorporated those fixes meanwhile |
| 01:47:19 | amiconn | Actually it's not a bit, it's a magic constant |
| 01:51:34 | gevaerts | My translation is at http://pastebin.ca/921434 |
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| 01:53:51 | * | stripwax disagrees with lines 13 and 14 - shouldn't they be 0x0000000b and 0x00000004 resp? |
| 01:54:08 | stripwax | based on amiconn's post, not looked at the raw asm |
| 01:54:40 | * | gevaerts thinks stripwax is right |
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| 01:54:53 | amiconn | Actually it should be one line |
| 01:54:59 | * | stripwax was checking his against gevaerts and found some mistakes in his own anyway |
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| 01:55:15 | gevaerts | That's why I posted it |
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| 01:55:30 | amiconn | REG_0x70000060 = (REG_0x70000060 & ~0x0f) | 0x04; |
| 01:55:47 | amiconn | I.e. one step, that's why I posted the raw asm as well |
| 01:57:51 | amiconn | I could not find an equivalent in the c200 OF so far, but that doesn't mean much |
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| 01:59:24 | gevaerts | It doesn't enable DEV_USB0 ? |
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| 02:00:47 | amiconn | This subroutine is just the pp5022 specific stuff that happens after what I mentioned earlier (for all pp502x) |
| 02:01:43 | gevaerts | You only mentionned DEV_USB1 before. |
| 02:02:53 | amiconn | yes |
| 02:03:16 | amiconn | But there could be some upper-level function that already handles DEV_USB0 |
| 02:03:39 | gevaerts | Yes, probably |
| 02:03:40 | * | stripwax builds |
| 02:04:16 | corevette | when i submit my songs to last.fm...it only picks up the last song i played..why/ |
| 02:04:41 | amiconn | I just searched for a constant of 0xc5000000 in the listing, and started looking at the functions containing that |
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| 02:05:33 | stripwax | corevette - what tool are you using to submit? maybe it shows you the last.fm error, or has an error log or message somewhere? if the /.scrobbler.log file looks ok then rockbox is working ok |
| 02:05:59 | amiconn | gevaerts: Btw, according to usb-drv-pp502x.c, bit 1 is USBCMD_CTRL_RESET |
| 02:06:11 | stripwax | right |
| 02:06:29 | amiconn | (as you said it would be RUN) |
| 02:06:29 | gevaerts | amiconn: yes, I was wrong first. It's getting late, and 1 and 0 start looking similar... |
| 02:06:38 | corevette | stripwax: i've tried http://qtscrob.sourceforge.net/ and http://paulstead.com/scrob/ and they both do the same thing. last fm says: Some tracks you submitted have not been added to your profile for the following reason: |
| 02:06:38 | corevette | Submissions from before the date you registered are not allowed. |
| 02:06:39 | * | gevaerts tries to find an excuse |
| 02:06:44 | stripwax | amiconn - he did slap his forehead afterwards.. :) |
| 02:06:52 | amiconn | lol |
| 02:07:15 | * | amiconn wonders where GPIO D bit 0 comes into play.... |
| 02:07:19 | stripwax | corevette - well that could be the reason then. what audio device do you have, and is the realtime clock set correctly |
| 02:07:44 | corevette | stripwax: ipod video 30g (5th gen) with rockbox |
| 02:07:49 | stripwax | also, of course, any tracks you played from before the date you registered will not get uploaded to last.fm .. as per the error message you gotg |
| 02:07:56 | gevaerts | Anyway this doesn't seem to make much difference on my sansa. Maybe you will be luckier on ipod |
| 02:08:02 | stripwax | corevette .. and is the realtime clock set correctly |
| 02:08:27 | corevette | i'm checking stripwax...where is it at? |
| 02:08:46 | stripwax | corevette - you can check in the rockbox manual |
| 02:09:09 | corevette | stripwax: you mean the date/time in rockbox in settings? |
| 02:09:12 | stripwax | yes |
| 02:09:15 | stripwax | is it correct |
| 02:09:20 | corevette | stripwax: 2000 |
| 02:09:23 | corevette | :-) |
| 02:09:24 | stripwax | so, no |
| 02:09:27 | stripwax | :) |
| 02:09:52 | stripwax | fix that and I'm sure last.fm will start to believe the timestamps you send it :) |
| 02:09:59 | * | gevaerts didn't encounter GPIO D bit 0 before |
| 02:10:06 | corevette | thanks stripwax :-D |
| 02:10:12 | stripwax | corevette in the meantime you can use .scrobbler-timeless to submit |
| 02:10:20 | stripwax | (to submit the tracks you already played back in 2000 ;-) |
| 02:10:29 | corevette | na didn't have too many anyways, it's fine |
| 02:10:32 | stripwax | ok |
| 02:10:36 | amiconn | gevaerts: *if* that has a meaning, it's most certainly ipod specific |
| 02:10:58 | * | amiconn wonders whether the pp emulator would run far enough to snoop the sansa of doing its usb init |
| 02:12:03 | gevaerts | Probably, yes. It's just that it doesn't appear anywhere in the rockbox usb code yet, so if it means anything it's new |
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| 02:14:14 | * | stripwax sighs - still no drive icon in Windows |
| 02:14:38 | * | gevaerts promises stripwax to work on the SCSI support next. That should help |
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| 02:15:48 | * | amiconn can use rockbox highspeed already, he just has to avoid his hub, and the front ports of the linux box |
| 02:15:50 | stripwax | gevaerts - I'm a bit suspicious but I guess only because the drive shows up fine in cmdline, just not in Explorer, but really I suppose that makes me more suspicious of Windows than rockbox |
| 02:16:09 | amiconn | stripwax: Did you check the system event log? |
| 02:16:19 | stripwax | gevaerts - and of course, thanks very much for the help! |
| 02:16:38 | * | gevaerts thinks amiconn is lucky to have a reliable ata driver |
| 02:16:54 | amiconn | Yes, plain ata on both targets |
| 02:17:19 | stripwax | amiconn - yep, but nothing interesting in there |
| 02:17:39 | stripwax | ^interesting^remotely related |
| 02:17:50 | * | amiconn gets lots of event #51 from 'disk' when using the hub |
| 02:17:54 | stripwax | ouch |
| 02:18:01 | stripwax | (whatever #51 means..) |
| 02:18:06 | amiconn | That is, only with the mini - with the H10 even the hub connection works |
| 02:18:39 | amiconn | http://www.eventid.net/display.asp?eventid=51&eventno=793&source=Disk&phase=1 |
| 02:18:51 | gevaerts | There is still this udelay() issue on my c250. I'm a bit hesitant to commit a fix that works here though. I don't want to break other people's filesystems |
| 02:19:08 | stripwax | amiconn - although I haven't tested it in any kind of rigorous way, rockbox usb seems to work just fine for me. I'm still fullspeed btw |
| 02:19:10 | amiconn | It just means that windows has a problem accessing the disk |
| 02:19:34 | stripwax | apart from the whole 'not showing up on the desktop' thing |
| 02:20:11 | stripwax | It's way past my bedtime ;-) Thanks amiconn + gevaerts |
| 02:20:12 | stripwax | gnight |
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| 02:21:46 | gevaerts | I should actually go to sleep as well. |
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| 03:07:03 | slackcub | I'm having some trouble with my iriver with rockbox, and I'm hoping it's not what I think it is. I completely charge it, and after about 20 minutes it just shuts off. When I try to turn it on again the boot up screen comes up, stays on for about a second, then turns off again. Anyone recognize this? |
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| 03:09:26 | krazykit | slackcub, does that happen with the original firmware? if it does, you've likely got a hardware problem (probably a bad battery) |
| 03:15:04 | slackcub | I haven't tried yet, that's what I thought it may be, but I was wondering if there was something I'm missing... |
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| 03:16:32 | slackcub | mainly because when it powers back on after shutting off by itself, the boot up screen shows the voltage of the battery, and it still shows over 3.5v |
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| 04:14:17 | asdrubal | is there a problem with fat driver? |
| 04:14:24 | asdrubal | I am getting alot of corruption in my sansa |
| 04:14:35 | asdrubal | I should update to current |
| 04:14:53 | asdrubal | All my 1GB microSD got corrupted |
| 04:15:09 | asdrubal | even in OF |
| 04:15:30 | cool_walking_ | If it happens in the OF, it doesn't have anything to do with Rockbox. |
| 04:15:46 | cool_walking_ | Do a filesystem and bad blocks check. |
| 04:17:58 | cool_walking_ | Or do you just mean it's still corrupted when you go into the OF? |
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| 05:26:09 | teksimian | Hi, I extracted the rockbox firmware and font package as per the documentation. The ipod is in disk mode. I try to run ipodpatcher.exe, and it tells me that No Ipods were found, aborting. Can anyone suggest any help? |
| 05:26:49 | Horscht | what ipod do you have? |
| 05:27:14 | teksimian | 80 gig video |
| 05:27:29 | Horscht | use rbutil |
| 05:27:57 | krazykit | are you sure it's a video, teksimian, and not a classic? |
| 05:28:17 | teksimian | er, sorry it is classic :( d'oh. |
| 05:28:34 | Horscht | ok, then don't use rbutil |
| 05:28:45 | Horscht | Classics are not supported by Rockbox |
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| 05:29:03 | teksimian | how come? |
| 05:29:18 | krazykit | new, undocumented hardware and encrypted firmware. |
| 05:29:19 | Horscht | unknown hardware, encrypted firmware |
| 05:29:40 | teksimian | that sucks. Is there any hope for future development? |
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| 05:29:58 | krazykit | nobody is working on it at all right now, so i wouldn't hold your breath. |
| 05:30:10 | * | teksimian faints :( |
| 05:30:23 | teksimian | hehe, alright. thanks a lot guys :) |
| 05:30:50 | teksimian | tho I read that they were able to crack somethings for third party audio management tools. |
| 05:30:59 | krazykit | completely and utterly unrelated. |
| 05:31:06 | teksimian | okay. |
| 05:31:19 | teksimian | cheers. |
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| 07:56:16 | crazy_bus | rockbox tells you how many files you have on the player. But is there anyway to get how long there is remaining in playing time for either a folder or the entire player? |
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| 08:16:02 | GodEater | crazy_bus: how would it calculate such a figure without opening all the files in advance to see how long they play for ? |
| 08:17:37 | crazy_bus | GodEater: I was just wondering if there was a feature that did that. Mabey there is something similar for the desktop I can use when its plugged in |
| 08:22:43 | markun | GodEater: the length is saved in the tagcache/database, so if it's enabled we could calculate it. |
| 08:23:34 | GodEater | I was thinking the same thing actually |
| 08:23:45 | GodEater | didn't know if length was held there or not though |
| 08:24:00 | GodEater | that doesn't work on a "per folder" basis though |
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| 08:35:13 | pondlife | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15684.msg117040;topicseen#msg117040 deserves a reply... |
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| 08:36:27 | GodEater | I suspect his reply will end up being "great, now move it to the wiki please..." |
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| 08:44:15 | pondlife | "<GodEater> that doesn't work on a "per folder" basis though".. It would be per-playlist... we need to avoid thinking per-folder. |
| 08:44:46 | GodEater | I'm aware of that, but the question specifically mentioned per folder. |
| 08:44:52 | GodEater | I just thought I'd point that out |
| 08:45:06 | pondlife | Ah, ok. |
| 08:45:12 | * | pondlife is not awake |
| 08:45:22 | GodEater | I had no idea shotofadds was a London local too |
| 08:45:27 | GodEater | will be good to get a new face along |
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| 08:45:45 | pondlife | Did you decide to go to the same pub? |
| 08:46:02 | pondlife | Anywhere that's just a pub... please no bowling ;) |
| 08:46:15 | GodEater | no venue decision yet |
| 08:46:19 | GodEater | at least - not that I'm aware of |
| 08:46:34 | pondlife | Well, if you don't know, nobody does |
| 08:46:45 | GodEater | what are you imlpying? ;) |
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| 08:48:49 | GodEater | markun: was it my imagination, or did you start playing with git at some point ? |
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| 08:51:34 | gibbon_ | good morning |
| 08:52:08 | markun | GodEater: I use git for rockbox development now |
| 08:52:20 | markun | morning gibbon_ |
| 08:52:58 | gibbon_ | hi markun |
| 08:53:25 | markun | GodEater: why are you asking? |
| 08:54:17 | GodEater | I got an invitation to join github yesterday |
| 08:54:24 | GodEater | and I have three invites of my own to pass on now |
| 08:55:25 | markun | never heard of github |
| 08:55:27 | scorche | i find it interesting that in every "rockbox meet" i have been to, git has come up multiple times |
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| 08:55:38 | GodEater | http://github.com/ |
| 08:55:45 | GodEater | it's a bit like repo.or.cz |
| 08:55:56 | GodEater | in that it's a public git repository hosting site |
| 08:56:13 | markun | I wouldn't mind an invitation |
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| 08:56:16 | GodEater | but they have a really nice front end for it from what I can see, allowing you to do a lot of fancy things without knowing really esoteric git commands |
| 08:56:27 | GodEater | PM me your email address then |
| 08:56:46 | pondlife | GodEater: You might want to ask Nico_P too. |
| 08:56:58 | pondlife | I don't know how happy he is with repo.or.cz |
| 08:57:01 | GodEater | pondlife: I already sent him a note :) |
| 08:57:28 | * | pondlife is still trying to get his Paid Work to move from SourceSafe to SVN |
| 08:57:44 | GodEater | markun: in the aether ;) |
| 08:57:45 | pondlife | They have that irrational fear of open source thing going on. |
| 08:57:54 | markun | thanks :) |
| 08:58:01 | GodEater | I just wish this place would settle on one solution or another |
| 08:58:05 | Bagder | well, not even MS uses sourcesafe ;-) |
| 08:58:10 | pondlife | Indeed! |
| 08:58:24 | GodEater | we have SourceSafe, SVN, Clearcase, and a boatload of others besides |
| 08:58:31 | GodEater | no git yet though (that I'm aware of) :) |
| 08:58:51 | pondlife | The main problem is that they use lots of pinned/shared files. I can't see how to do that in SVN, but this is getting way OT., |
| 08:59:05 | GodEater | it's way cool markun - it automatically hunts out a gravatar for your email address |
| 08:59:09 | GodEater | you don't even have to tell it to |
| 08:59:15 | GodEater | (assuming you have a gravatar that is) |
| 08:59:37 | GodEater | I didn't see a lot of on topicness going on |
| 08:59:46 | GodEater | so I don't think you're rocking the boat at the moment |
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| 09:00:16 | pondlife | I'm also doing the world's slowest binary chop through playback.c revisions... |
| 09:00:37 | pondlife | ..so I can find some on-topic-ness if required |
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| 09:01:20 | scorche | well, there is that handy dev clause in the guidelines ;) |
| 09:02:00 | Bagder | on topic: #1 - I volunteer as GSOC coordinator for Rockbox 2008 unless someone else feels like stepping up to it #2 - it would be fun if pixelma / amiconn would consider doing a Berlin Euro devcon ... |
| 09:02:00 | pondlife | I'm over at the -community place now, so if anyone knows how to do pinned/shared files in SVN, please go there! |
| 09:02:52 | * | scorche volunteers to be a bird on Bagder's shoulder |
| 09:03:23 | Bagder | a parrot? |
| 09:03:32 | Bagder | I can be a pirate! |
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| 09:03:40 | pondlife | a software pirate? |
| 09:03:52 | scorche | sure...i can repeat the stuff they said at the mentor summit :) |
| 09:04:02 | pondlife | a pirate with a patch? |
| 09:05:26 | Bagder | of course, pirates have patches how else would you know it is a pirate? |
| 09:05:48 | scorche | peg leg? arrrrrrr? booty? FSM? |
| 09:05:57 | GodEater | you'd have a hook in place of one hand ? |
| 09:06:32 | GodEater | markun: they have a channel on freenode too - #github |
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| 09:06:52 | pondlife | What do pirates take when they go fishing? |
| 09:07:03 | pondlife | Pieces of bait. Pieces of bait. |
| 09:07:09 | petur | beer |
| 09:07:31 | pondlife | Surely, beaaarrrrr |
| 09:07:58 | * | pondlife is bored of the boring pirate jokes that just put aarrrrr in somewhere |
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| 09:08:23 | pondlife | buy guys |
| 09:08:34 | pondlife | sell, even |
| 09:08:39 | petur | Bagder: Berlin would be fine for me |
| 09:08:47 | pondlife | Bagder: me too |
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| 09:08:56 | pondlife | Depending on the date |
| 09:09:16 | Bagder | yeah, but that's why I want us to get something specified soonish |
| 09:09:20 | * | scorche makes up a template for Bagder |
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| 09:10:06 | colinl | hello |
| 09:10:15 | petur | Bagder: I was just thinking *if* something would go wrong with the little one, it is easier for me to cancel my trip than for the rest to find a new location... |
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| 09:10:41 | Bagder | petur: my thinking too. Tiny ones tend to ruin plans and do things their own ways. |
| 09:10:56 | Bagder | I have two proofs of that... ;-) |
| 09:11:07 | colinl | does anyone know why rockbox reboots to the ipod4gray's original firmware when connected to USB? |
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| 09:11:22 | petur | I hope nobody minds. If I make it I'll compensate with heavy luggage :) |
| 09:11:29 | Bagder | but now I gotta run, back in 3-4 hours |
| 09:11:31 | pondlife | colinl: Because we don't have our own USB support just yet |
| 09:11:49 | colinl | pondlife: ah, OK :) |
| 09:12:08 | colinl | pondlife: so the "charge battery when USB is connected" setting is just a stub right now? |
| 09:12:37 | pondlife | I'm not certain, I don't have an iPod myself. But USB support is getting very near now. |
| 09:12:45 | colinl | cool, good news :) |
| 09:13:04 | colinl | nice software, by the way, thanks to the devs :) |
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| 09:28:34 | markun | GodEater: it did find my gravatar |
| 09:30:22 | GodEater | nifty eh :) |
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| 10:12:41 | webguest42 | yeah |
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| 10:13:13 | LinusN | right to the point |
| 10:18:47 | markun | is it fair to put "expensive city" as cons for amsterdam and stokholm? |
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| 10:23:24 | PaulJam | Hi, i was wondering if someone updated the m68k-elf-gcc package for cygwin to version 3.4.6 (which is the recomended version). When installed it a few monts ago it was still version 3.4.5 |
| 10:24:22 | GodEater | Amsterdam is expensive ? |
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| 10:25:08 | markun | I find it quite expensive, but maybe that's just compared to other cities in the netherlands |
| 10:25:19 | markun | it's way more expensive than berlin at least |
| 10:25:27 | GodEater | never been to Berlin |
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| 10:25:39 | GodEater | but I didn't find Amsterdam than bad when I was there last (some years ago mind you) |
| 10:25:46 | GodEater | s/than/that |
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| 10:33:01 | LinusN | PaulJam: the latest cygwin package is 3.4.6 |
| 10:34:01 | PaulJam | LinusN: ok, thank you. |
| 10:36:42 | * | petur thinks there aren't that many cheap places anymore.... |
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| 10:42:29 | pondlife | Nico_P: FYI r16426 also suffers from the same "playback gets confused when buffering occurs". r16423 actually crashed on me when buffering took place - I'll continue to head backwards. |
| 10:42:54 | Nico_P | :/ |
| 10:43:20 | Nico_P | I guess I committed r16425 a bit too soon then |
| 10:43:26 | pondlife | No |
| 10:43:40 | pondlife | I mean it was broken already (I think) |
| 10:43:50 | pondlife | I'll carry on testing. |
| 10:43:51 | fyrestorm | can anyone suggest a good ipod battery replacement site? |
| 10:44:00 | GodEater | ipod doctor |
| 10:44:17 | fyrestorm | uk? |
| 10:44:40 | GodEater | they're the ones I used yes |
| 10:44:52 | GodEater | you're in NY though aren't you? |
| 10:45:36 | fyrestorm | correct |
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| 10:45:50 | GodEater | might not be so cost effective then |
| 10:45:54 | fyrestorm | yeah |
| 10:46:01 | GodEater | http://www.ipodjuice.com/ <−− then ? |
| 10:46:20 | fyrestorm | they dont use paypal |
| 10:46:29 | petur | find a CameronSino one on ebay... |
| 10:49:10 | Nico_P | pondlife: I'm sorry I probably won't have time to investigate today |
| 10:49:19 | * | Nico_P is taking the GRE this afternoon |
| 10:49:22 | pondlife | That's ok |
| 10:49:27 | pondlife | GRE? |
| 10:49:31 | pondlife | An exam? |
| 10:49:56 | Nico_P | yes, graduate record examination. it's an US thing |
| 10:50:40 | pondlife | US, in France? |
| 10:52:17 | Nico_P | yes, it's part of the admission process for Georgia Tech. I'm applying for a double degree |
| 10:52:31 | pondlife | Good luck then! |
| 10:52:50 | pondlife | No postage today? |
| 10:53:45 | Nico_P | I didn't see anything in my mailbox |
| 10:53:54 | pondlife | Tomorrow, hopefully, then |
| 10:54:39 | Nico_P | did you post it yesterday or the day before? |
| 10:55:02 | pondlife | the day before, but it might not have been collected until yesterday |
| 10:55:17 | Nico_P | ok |
| 10:56:45 | pondlife | Ah, it's 3 day delivery |
| 10:56:52 | pondlife | Bit sucky |
| 10:56:56 | pondlife | Sorry |
| 10:58:07 | Nico_P | no worries, I'll probably get it on monday then ;) |
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| 11:02:14 | barrywardell | gevaerts' HAVE_POWER commit yesterday looks wrong. shouldn't it be HAVE_USB_POWER? |
| 11:06:08 | * | GodEater has one more github invite. Anyone else interested (that would likely use it) ? |
| 11:06:19 | petur | yes, it probably removed the feature for all targets |
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| 11:09:44 | * | barrywardell will commit the fix |
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| 11:51:38 | pondlife | petur: I don't think Amsterdam is expensive ... probably cheaper than Berlin, no? |
| 11:51:54 | pondlife | I've not been there for a while though |
| 11:52:42 | petur | only been there once, I managed to find spots with ok prices |
| 11:52:51 | petur | (not in the center) |
| 11:53:07 | pondlife | Me too, but not far out... 10 mins walk |
| 11:53:18 | petur | yes, something like that |
| 11:53:28 | LinusN | i was wondering about the "expensive" comments - compared to what? |
| 11:54:02 | petur | free :) |
| 11:54:28 | pondlife | Ah, my mistake - it was markun's comment, not petur's. |
| 11:55:42 | petur | I'd be happy with either location, and if none are possible still host it myself... |
| 11:56:31 | markun | LinusN: maybe the cost of an average meal and hotelroom would be more objective |
| 11:56:51 | LinusN | in the local currency |
| 11:57:32 | LinusN | or perhaps euro or usd |
| 11:57:35 | pondlife | You can find massive price variations in any city |
| 11:58:06 | LinusN | besides, even the definition of "average meal" differs a lot between individuals :-) |
| 11:58:13 | pondlife | haha |
| 11:58:25 | * | pondlife gets hungry for a ham sandwich |
| 11:58:44 | * | LinusN craves for his regular lobster lunch |
| 11:58:49 | pondlife | See? |
| 11:58:53 | LinusN | :-) |
| 11:59:16 | * | petur swears at pondlife/LinusN and decides to wait another 30min for lunch |
| 11:59:31 | * | pondlife throws petur a beer and a sausage |
| 11:59:58 | * | petur finds they are blocked by the company firewall :( |
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| 12:00:11 | pondlife | Or you can have the rest of this biscuit that LambdaCalculus37 gave me last night. It's gigantic. |
| 12:00:57 | * | pondlife wonders if libcurl could offer a sausage pass through as a GSoC project, then stops being silly. |
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| 12:07:40 | * | pixelma also wonders about the "expensive city" comment, can't imagine that Berlin is any better... |
| 12:07:49 | * | petur collects a bunch of CF cards at work to get identify info from them |
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| 12:20:14 | petur | bah, the small cards don't seem to be IDE compatible :( |
| 12:22:17 | pondlife | Zagor: Any chance that http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html could have revision numbers like the main page table? |
| 12:26:19 | preglow | petur: i thought they had to be |
| 12:26:47 | petur | well, I tried three brands, all 512MB and non wanted to boot :( |
| 12:27:49 | petur | I can read supported PIO modes (0x3) which is the same as my working card, but 0x82 and 0x83 return zero |
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| 12:33:13 | petur | hmmm lots of identify stuff is not supported on older cards (prior to ATA-3) |
| 12:36:13 | preglow | shruggage |
| 12:38:36 | petur | que? |
| 12:38:45 | gevaerts | Does anyone here know anyone who has both and ipod mini 1st gen and 2nd gen ? |
| 12:38:58 | petur | amiconn? |
| 12:39:11 | gevaerts | No, unfortunatly. He has only 2nd gen |
| 12:39:51 | petur | oh |
| 12:40:14 | gevaerts | The reason I'm asking is that possibly the USB signal quality problems are PP5020 vs PP5022 related, and testing that would be easiest on the minis, since they have (nearly) no other difference |
| 12:41:00 | gevaerts | And the only way to test reliably is by using the same port on the same PC |
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| 12:46:24 | linuxstb_ | gevaerts: I have both an ipod Color (PP5020) and ipod Video... I don't know of anyone who owns both types of mini. |
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| 12:52:12 | gevaerts | linuxstb_: color seems to be PP5021. Could be interestign to test as well. Could you try compiling with USE_ROCKBOX_USB and USE_HIGH_SPEED, and testing reads on the same USB port for both ? If one gives lots of resets and the other doesn't (most likely on front ports or laptop ports, PC back ports are much more tolerant), it means that one of them needs extra initialization. Problem is that we also need PP5022 on the same setup ideally, with thin |
| 12:53:20 | gevaerts | .... things like power management chip identical (because the other hypothesis is that the power management chip makes the difference). The only hard data we have now is that H10 works (nearly) perfectly and mini 2nd gen doesn't |
| 12:53:30 | * | gevaerts really should type shorter lines |
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| 12:57:23 | linuxstb_ | gevaerts: I can try that this evening (I don't have either with me at the moment). Does the host OS matter? I normally use Linux, but have access to Mac OS X and WinXP. |
| 12:58:04 | gevaerts | linuxstb_: results are easiest to see on linux (count resets in the dmesg output) |
| 12:58:26 | linuxstb_ | gevaerts: Perfect. |
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| 12:59:23 | linuxstb_ | BTW, the Color is definitely 5020. The video is 5021, but afaik, that's just a slight variation on the 5022. |
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| 13:01:05 | gevaerts | linuxstb_: see yesterday's log from about 22:40 to midnight for details on what amiconn did. That's what led is to this hypothesis |
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| 13:05:41 | amiconn | gevaerts: iPod color is PP5020. The only PP5022 iPods (and PP5021, which identifies as PP5022, and probably is just that with a lower maximum clock) are the Mini G2, Video, and Nano |
| 13:06:35 | gevaerts | OK, so with some luck linuxstb's test should be conclusive. |
| 13:08:48 | * | amiconn read up a bit on USB and now knows that signaling doesn't need 5 volts |
| 13:10:14 | * | gevaerts opens usb_20.pdf and goes to read as well |
| 13:11:00 | * | amiconn found http://www.usbmadesimple.co.uk/index.html |
| 13:16:57 | gevaerts | USB 2.0 table 7-7 on page 179 seems to have the details |
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| 13:46:29 | LinusN | hmmm, i wonder if the signal quality problems may arise from improper configuration of the LTC4066 (battery charging from usb) |
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| 13:47:17 | gevaerts | That's of course another possibility. Any way to test this easily ? |
| 13:48:06 | LinusN | that chip has a current limiting function |
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| 13:50:41 | amiconn | LinusN: What puzzles me is that PP5022 seems to have worse problems than PP5020. Of course that could be misleading as the H10 has both different power management chips and a different cable |
| 13:51:14 | amiconn | A 1st Gen mini would be an ideal target for comparison... |
| 13:51:34 | * | gevaerts considers buying a 1st gen mini and sending it to amiconn (he doesn't have enough DAPs yet) |
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| 13:57:04 | LinusN | i don't yet know how to control the 100mA/500mA limit on the 4066 |
| 13:57:32 | LinusN | however, you can monitor the charging current using one of the ADC channels |
| 13:58:19 | LinusN | i don't remember which one atm |
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| 15:15:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: Here? |
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| 15:19:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Ping! |
| 15:22:05 | petur | feeling alone? ;) |
| 15:22:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | I feel like the Omega Man. :) |
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| 15:23:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | petur: But then again, there are logs, of course. ;) |
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| 15:24:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | I was going to see if I can borrow a co-worker's iPod nano to run test_disk on it and get a measurement for here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DiskSpeed |
| 15:24:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | barrywardell had run a test on a Sansa e280, so I want to try another flash target, as well as my c240. |
| 15:25:58 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: are you up to some risks on c240 ? I'd like to see if removing the udelay() in firmware/target/arm/sandisk/ata-c200_e200.c is harmless on all c200's and not just on mine. |
| 15:26:36 | * | gevaerts tries to convince people to try this by mentionning that it would improve write speed |
| 15:27:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: I'll backup my Sansa before I do so. |
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| 15:28:45 | gevaerts | That's a god idea. On mine it increases reliability with usb write ( so it actually seems safe on high speed), but I haven't had any reports of what happens on others. I do know that the udelay() is needed on e200 though |
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| 15:33:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: Is your new work in SVN? |
| 15:33:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | If so I'll update my tree. |
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| 15:34:37 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: Everything that works is in svn. I have some local SCSI changes, but they currently make things worse, so that's not pushed anywhere yet |
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| 15:36:06 | * | LambdaCalculus37 does an SVN update |
| 15:40:11 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: are you using linux ? If so, could you paste the output of sfdisk -l on your c240 somewhere ? (or equivalent data from windows, but I don't know how to get those). I'm thinking about generalising my c250 full flash wipe tool to handle all sansas. |
| 15:41:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: If it isn't a *nix, I'm not using it. :P |
| 15:41:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'll pastebin sfdisk -l shortly. |
| 15:41:48 | gevaerts | Thanks |
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| 15:43:36 | * | LambdaCalculus37 prefers Linux but likes any good Unix |
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| 15:52:04 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: dmesg output of the disk data would also be useful (especially the number of blocks reported there) |
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| 15:55:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: Okay, dumped dmesg output to a text file. |
| 15:55:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | Will pastebin both in a few minutes; just gotta finish some work here. |
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| 15:56:58 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: no need to hurry, I'm only collecting data right now. |
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| 15:59:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: sfdisk - l: http://pastebin.com/da89444d |
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| 16:01:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | And dmesg output upon connecting the c240: http://pastebin.com/d2dc06bdc |
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| 16:02:54 | gevaerts | Thanks. |
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| 16:05:07 | * | gevaerts expects problems finding volunteers to test this tool on all sansa variants once it's done. Most people probably don't like the idea of deliberately "bricking" their sansa. |
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| 16:06:04 | * | scorche remembers quite a few in other places that quite enjoyed it... |
| 16:07:36 | gevaerts | Thing is, normal users seem to actually manage to get their player to a state where this kind of full wipe is needed before e200tool-induced recovery mode will actually do something. |
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| 16:18:31 | amiconn | petur: There's a 3rd kind of devices where the CF mod can be done: those which need no adapter (mini 1st gen and mini 2nd gen) |
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| 16:22:53 | n1s | Is it known that rockbox spins the disk on every trackchange even if the buffer is almost full? |
| 16:23:17 | n1s | no wonder my batterytime has gone down severely... |
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| 16:24:24 | n1s | no database, runtime collection, album art or anything, just a regular playlist |
| 16:24:55 | pondlife | LambdaCalculus37: I'm back. |
| 16:25:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: I'm going to update to r16442 in a bit, but I just wanted to report that all of the issue's we've been seeing with playback are definitely not happening in a consistent manner. |
| 16:26:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | Last night, I was listening to an album on the way home, and there were no track skips, no pauses, and the x of y counter was well behaved. |
| 16:27:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yet this morning, I was listening to an album, and all of a sudden, I hear it jump 5 tracks ahead again. |
| 16:27:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | And now I went through two more albums and it's working just fine. |
| 16:27:40 | pondlife | I've had 16433 failing very regularly in the sim |
| 16:27:41 | * | LambdaCalculus37 stops to take a breath |
| 16:27:52 | pondlife | It seems to be more consistent on there |
| 16:28:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hmm... |
| 16:28:11 | pondlife | On H300 it's more intermittent. |
| 16:28:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | Are there any specific targets where it's really problematic? |
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| 16:36:44 | pondlife | LambdaCalculus37: I'm only using the sim really |
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| 16:39:44 | hcs | hm, I'm getting 500s with the rockboxdev.sh |
| 16:41:18 | hcs | changed from ftp to http, works |
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| 16:42:56 | pondlife | n1s: That would explain my recent loss of battery life nicely.. |
| 16:43:04 | pondlife | From 15 to 9 hours or so |
| 16:43:24 | pondlife | I wonder how it could best be traced? |
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| 16:57:25 | rasher | Is the Sansa's dock line-out known/enabled/possible to enable? |
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| 17:01:03 | jhMikeS | is it just me or is the "View OS Stacks" sceen not auto updating now? |
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| 17:08:38 | toffe82 | jhMikeS: find something intersting in the datasheet I sent you ? |
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| 17:09:53 | pondlife | jhMikeS: There was a change to simplelists a while back, that might be the culprit. |
| 17:09:55 | jhMikeS | toffe82: yes, what I need to know about the device to do anything worthwhile. :) |
| 17:10:50 | jhMikeS | pondlife: How far back? I was just going to search revisions. |
| 17:10:52 | pondlife | jhMikeS: And it's not just you |
| 17:10:56 | pondlife | Not long |
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| 17:11:23 | pondlife | r16415, I expect |
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| 17:11:39 | pondlife | i.e. r16414 will auto update |
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| 17:13:16 | GodEater | toffe82: what the heck is up with your connection ? |
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| 17:13:25 | * | GodEater facepalms |
| 17:13:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | Maybe we ought to patch up his connection with some chewing gum and a piece of string. :) |
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| 17:14:32 | GodEater | quick |
| 17:14:34 | GodEater | toffe82: what the heck is up with your connection ? |
| 17:14:37 | * | LambdaCalculus37 slams the airlock door shut behind toffe82 |
| 17:16:47 | toffe82 | :) |
| 17:16:52 | toffe82 | I don't know |
| 17:17:11 | toffe82 | it seems that somebody here must have a virus |
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| 17:18:22 | toffe82 | it happen when one of the computer log on.... |
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| 17:21:21 | pondlife | The room must be crammed full |
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| 17:25:04 | jhMikeS | pondlife: I guess it has to return ACTION_REDRAW if the button is ACTION_NONE? |
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| 17:25:50 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Something like that |
| 17:25:59 | pondlife | I'm not familiar with the code |
| 17:28:29 | pondlife | n1s: I can't see any unexpected disk access here, are you able to see such misbehaviour? |
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| 17:36:32 | gevaerts | Any sansa e200 owners here ? I'm collecting partition table info for them (sfdisk -l and dmesg output). |
| 17:37:10 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: I am |
| 17:37:26 | krazykit | gevaerts, sure, lemme plug it in and pastebin it for you. |
| 17:37:47 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Not, it must not do that |
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| 17:38:00 | krazykit | would you like a rhapsody model too? |
| 17:38:16 | amiconn | If it does, the simplelist refreshes over and over, causing scrolling to not work |
| 17:38:17 | jhMikeS | amiconn: what must it do? other routines return ACTION_REDRAW. |
| 17:38:40 | jhMikeS | ACTION_NONE produced no auto update |
| 17:39:18 | amiconn | Hmm, you're talking about the action value. |
| 17:39:50 | amiconn | This simplelist should be called messylist, as either it doesn't auto-update, or it doesn't scroll |
| 17:39:56 | gevaerts | krazykit: Not sure. I don't know enough about those yet. I'm going to start work sometime soon on a tool to wipe the entire flash (sometimes that seems to be needed in order to restore the bootloader), and I'm not sure if that's a good idea on the r's |
| 17:40:05 | amiconn | Both are bad. |
| 17:40:14 | pondlife | simplelist -> stupidlist |
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| 17:40:57 | scorche|sh | 11:17 < toffe82> it seems that somebody here must have a virus |
| 17:41:07 | scorche|sh | errr |
| 17:41:17 | pondlife | ACTION_REDRAW shouldn't reset the scrolling for content that's not changed. |
| 17:41:37 | Benjamin_L | gevaerts: from my e260, connected on usb 1 on my laptop: http://pastebin.com/m7e7f738c |
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| 17:41:58 | Topic | "Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | Planning on coming to a DevCon? Write your name down on the individual DevCon pages linked to here! http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DevCon2008" by scorche|sh (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 17:42:04 | jhMikeS | the scrolling behavior in that screen is bizarre. if you reverse the wheel direction, it scroll in the opposite direction to the extreme first. |
| 17:42:39 | gevaerts | thanks |
| 17:42:44 | krazykit | gevaerts, e250, non-rhapsody: http://pastebin.ca/922150 |
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| 17:44:11 | gevaerts | e200 has e250, e260 and e280, right ? Or am I missing some ? |
| 17:44:15 | jhMikeS | why would ACTION_REDRAW imply anything about the number of items? |
| 17:44:28 | krazykit | gevaerts, the e270 :) |
| 17:45:07 | gevaerts | OK. I wasn't sure if that one actually existed |
| 17:45:51 | gevaerts | So I still need e270 and e280 |
| 17:46:34 | krazykit | though that fdisk output looks kinda funny... let me format and restore it and see if it changes at all |
| 17:48:00 | gevaerts | krazykit: it probably won't change. It seems the OF and recovery mode belive what's there blindly, which is why we need a tool to restore sane values there. |
| 17:48:29 | krazykit | too late, already did it ;) |
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| 17:50:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: Which of the e200 series have you collected data on so far? |
| 17:50:13 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: e250 and e260 |
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| 17:51:38 | gevaerts | Are rhapsody models actually really different ? What happens if you put a "normal" partition table and firmware on it ? |
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| 17:52:40 | krazykit | gevaerts, you can convert it to a normal one by putting on the vanilla bootloader. al the rhapsody firmware seems to do is not export the hidden partition |
| 17:52:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: There's some info here, if you want to jot some notes down: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200R |
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| 17:55:48 | toffe82 | scorche|sh: at my work place ;) |
| 17:56:09 | gevaerts | So the exact flash sizes are presumably identical. I don't think I'll try to support it as such without being able to test myself. Anyway rhapsody users are less lilely to mess up their partition table if they can't get at it I guess |
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| 18:01:42 | n1s | pondlife: yes, I get spinups on every automatic trackchange |
| 18:02:07 | pondlife | Which device? |
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| 18:02:23 | n1s | h320 |
| 18:02:32 | pondlife | Hmm, same here |
| 18:02:37 | Horscht | same here |
| 18:02:41 | Horscht | FS 8601 |
| 18:03:00 | pondlife | I'm not using many features but I do have dircache enabled |
| 18:03:14 | Horscht | I don't. |
| 18:03:29 | Horscht | so probably not related to dircahce |
| 18:03:29 | pondlife | I bet it's AA searching without dircache |
| 18:03:39 | Horscht | that could be it, I am using AA |
| 18:03:46 | pondlife | If you enable dircache, does the disk stay quiet? |
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| 18:04:04 | Horscht | sec. |
| 18:04:06 | pondlife | (Once the initial read has completed, of course) |
| 18:04:24 | Horscht | of course :) |
| 18:04:25 | n1s | I don't use aa or dircache |
| 18:04:29 | pondlife | I believe it does the searches even if you don't use AA |
| 18:04:39 | pondlife | So no dircache = disk access |
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| 18:04:45 | pondlife | I might be scaremongering :) |
| 18:05:04 | rasher | It does the searches if the wps supports AA, obviously |
| 18:05:20 | rasher | But shouldn't it be doing them at buffer-time? |
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| 18:05:29 | pondlife | I'd think so |
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| 18:06:26 | Horscht | hm... where is dircache? |
| 18:06:27 | pondlife | Horscht: I've put a note on FS #8601 to keep the info together |
| 18:06:34 | pondlife | System > Disk |
| 18:06:41 | Horscht | ah |
| 18:07:12 | * | pondlife wishes that were enabled by default on HD targets... |
| 18:07:23 | pondlife | It's like using DOS without SMARTDRV |
| 18:07:24 | Horscht | yeah, FS just notified me :) |
| 18:08:06 | Horscht | what does dircache do? I thougt it was only usefull for browsing files, I use the database |
| 18:08:21 | pondlife | It caches the directory structure |
| 18:08:37 | pondlife | So if Rockbox wants to check if a file exists, it doesn't need to spin up the disk |
| 18:08:48 | pondlife | (for example) |
| 18:09:09 | amiconn | Hahaha, good comparison ;) |
| 18:09:11 | pondlife | The question being - what is Rockbox looking for between buffers? |
| 18:09:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | A very good comparison, indeed. :) |
| 18:09:35 | n1s | but it really shouldn't be chaecking for aa on every trackchange and at least not when the wps doesn't use it... |
| 18:09:51 | pondlife | It's not quite SMARTDRV, that's how I originally envisaged buffering.c. |
| 18:10:05 | pondlife | It might not be AA |
| 18:10:29 | rasher | AA just seems an obvious first guess, but if your wps doesn't even support AA, it's probably not it |
| 18:10:32 | pondlife | There may be another file check in there somewhere (probably in the track unbuffer callback) |
| 18:10:39 | rasher | (the latter part being directed at n1s) |
| 18:11:36 | amiconn | Should be easy to find out with logf. Just log what file(s) are accessed |
| 18:11:50 | Horscht | interesting... dircache DOES solve my issue |
| 18:11:55 | pondlife | Or run the sim with your config... |
| 18:11:57 | Horscht | *facepalm* |
| 18:12:02 | * | amiconn didn't experience this 'spinup at each track change' so far |
| 18:12:08 | pondlife | the sim will display every file open attempt |
| 18:12:16 | pondlife | amiconn: Do you not use dircache? |
| 18:12:40 | Horscht | i'll retry, just to make sure |
| 18:12:54 | Horscht | then post to FS |
| 18:13:22 | amiconn | pondlife: I do use it nowadays, except on X5 and mini |
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| 18:13:49 | pondlife | I've just disabled dircache and rebooted, still no sign of spinups on every track change |
| 18:14:00 | pondlife | Must be something more to it |
| 18:14:13 | Horscht | hm... I just today switched my WPS, maybe it was WPS related. |
| 18:14:26 | pondlife | Ah, it only does it when the WPS is displayed |
| 18:14:36 | pondlife | If you sit in the browser it doesn't |
| 18:14:42 | n1s | mine does it in the menu too... |
| 18:14:43 | scorche|sh | toffe82: yes...was a mispaste ;) |
| 18:14:46 | pondlife | My WPS definitely predates AA |
| 18:14:46 | Horscht | well, no idea if it does in the browser or not |
| 18:16:11 | pondlife | If I go to the menu I don't get spinups |
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| 18:16:26 | Horscht | I do, though |
| 18:16:35 | Horscht | but only with dircache disabled |
| 18:16:51 | pondlife | You're using cabbiev2 still? |
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| 18:17:29 | Horscht | no, i today switched to rayborraido_OB, but I'll switch to cabbiev2 and retry with dircache |
| 18:17:50 | Horscht | i'll post details in FS, once I am done |
| 18:18:01 | smiler | hi, just a quick one, does rockbox for v5.5 ipod support realaudio? :? |
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| 18:18:31 | markun | no, rockbox doesn't support real audio |
| 18:18:31 | n1s | the sim opens nvram.bin on every trackchange, maybe some bug has crept in making it save/open that? |
| 18:18:58 | markun | we do support ac3 which is inside many .rm files |
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| 18:19:40 | smiler | o i c |
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| 18:20:32 | markun | there is also an open source implementation (but not ported to rockbox) of the cook codec also used by Real |
| 18:20:54 | smiler | wanted a way to dump my radio4 rm grabs onto something portable .. if ipod doesn't do it i might get an archos media player some time in future, not sure what one to get tho .. :/ i guess i will have to find out what is inside the rm files i have |
| 18:22:26 | markun | do you have a link to such a file? |
| 18:22:36 | smiler | sure thx, one sec |
| 18:22:38 | smiler | :) |
| 18:22:54 | smiler | basically anything from here .. |
| 18:22:54 | smiler | http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/progs/listenagain.shtml |
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| 18:25:34 | markun | smiler: they use the cook codec, so it's not possible to play them in rockbox for now |
| 18:25:47 | smiler | ah ok. thanks for looking for me. |
| 18:25:57 | markun | no problem |
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| 18:26:57 | smiler | i guess that means a different portable device. one that plays videos and most codecs without much of a problem, i think i might go archos, anyone have any recommendiations? something around the same size as ipod video and that can go on car windscreen? :S |
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| 18:27:27 | smiler | i seem to have a .rockbox folder on my ipod but it's been a while and it's not in the OS loader .. anything i have to put in the main folder to get rockbox working again? |
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| 18:28:07 | krazykit | smiler, as this is an on-topic chat about rockbox, we'll recommend a rockbox player. as for the loader, it sounds like you just need to install the bootloader (and grab an updated build); the instructions are in the manual |
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| 18:30:25 | smiler | ok that's great. is there an archos you can recommend that i can use rockbox with and i will get the bootloader and the manual for the ipod .. thanks x |
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| 18:32:34 | scorche|sh | smiler: the archos units that rockbox works on are quite old and are not the same sort you are thinking of ;) |
| 18:32:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | smiler: The only Archos models that work with Rockbox are the old Jukebox series, and the Ondios. |
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| 18:33:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart |
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| 18:34:29 | smiler | oh dear i think it's moved on a bit since then .. i loved those old players .. how about iriver? |
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| 18:35:03 | scorche|sh | smiler: all the devices rockbox runs on are listed on the front page |
| 18:35:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | smiler: And on the link I gave you. |
| 18:35:27 | smiler | oh i have the list |
| 18:35:28 | smiler | thank you |
| 18:35:29 | smiler | :) |
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| 18:50:06 | jhMikeS | Horscht: any chance to test a small patch on 5g using the bleeding edge build? |
| 18:50:26 | Horscht | yes |
| 18:50:36 | Horscht | latest svn rev, you mean= |
| 18:51:11 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 18:51:59 | jhMikeS | jhmikes.cleansoap.org/remove-ata-spin-hack.diff">http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/remove-ata-spin-hack.diff <= what I just corrected in the latest revision may be the reason for the trouble *crosses fingers* |
| 18:53:00 | Horscht | i'll give it a whirl and tell you |
| 18:53:12 | Horscht | gonna take a few minutes to check out and compile |
| 18:53:22 | jhMikeS | thanks |
| 18:54:58 | smiler | thank you for the advice see you soon x |
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| 19:22:42 | Horscht | jhMikeS, i didn't notice any disk thrashing, buffering is now as fast as pre 16105. Only thing I noticed: on the first buffering after poweron, it starts playing the first song, then "stutters" |
| 19:22:52 | Horscht | only on first buffering/first song |
| 19:24:43 | jhMikeS | I think that could just be a small priority issue. Mind testing a patch with a small priority bump as well? |
| 19:24:50 | Horscht | sure |
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| 19:27:45 | Horscht | well, sorry. No I dont mind testing it :) |
| 19:28:17 | jhMikeS | Horscht: I understand :). Same link. Remove the old one first. |
| 19:28:38 | Horscht | k |
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| 19:33:37 | desowin | gevaerts: http://rafb.net/p/EL18WA86.html |
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| 19:42:11 | Horscht | same stuttering, jhMikeS |
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| 19:43:42 | jhMikeS | just on the very first buffering ever but you can stop playback and it doesn't do it again? |
| 19:43:57 | jhMikeS | stop then restart |
| 19:44:07 | Horscht | hm... good question... testing ... :) |
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| 19:46:57 | jhMikeS | I have a feeling it won't be an issue once I get done with other threading work anyway. I only discovered this last problem because I was working on something else. |
| 19:47:17 | Horscht | stuttering after stop/restart as well |
| 19:48:09 | Horscht | but it did not sutter for me when refilling the buffer during playback... if you understand what I am trying to say |
| 19:48:10 | jhMikeS | I'm not really too surprised that initial fill would have an issue |
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| 19:51:45 | jhMikeS | I suppose I'll wait for a more appropriate time to apply that change then |
| 19:52:03 | gevaerts | desowin: thanks. I guess I have enough info now |
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| 19:54:45 | jhMikeS | Actually, now my e200s backlight takes a bit to come back on but that's expected as well (it's at a low priority for some reason when UI element should be rather equal). |
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| 19:59:35 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: I experienced the track skipping on my c250 now as well. I noticed that it seems to skip as much tracks ahead as should be buffered (what track count in the buffering debug screen tells me afterwards) - if that is 5, it skipped 5 tracks ahead in the playlist etc. |
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| 20:01:51 | pixelma | could this be the same for you? |
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| 20:03:15 | rasher | Domonoky, bluebrother: Does rbutil cache themes? |
| 20:03:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: I haven't tried playing any tracks on my c240 with the new revision, but my iPod video is exhibiting that behavior at odd times. |
| 20:04:44 | pixelma | was just asking if you could confirm the track count observation because the 3...4 times it did this now is not a proof yet |
| 20:05:01 | pixelma | I mean after I noticed that |
| 20:05:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: In that case, I can confirm it. |
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| 20:07:09 | bluebrother | rasher: yes, if you have the download cache enabled |
| 20:07:48 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: wondering if the same folders are affected that had the "skip 3rd track problem" but unfortunately this is not this easy and quick to see... |
| 20:08:28 | rasher | bluebrother: how smart is the cache? Does it check Last-modified, or does it simply match filenames? |
| 20:08:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Seems that not every album I play has the "skip nth track" problem. But the ones that exhibit it the most are my FLAC albums. |
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| 20:08:46 | * | amiconn wonders whether people with a relatively low-res screen are annoyed by the svn revision that was added to the svn tables on the website |
| 20:09:17 | * | scorche|sh always just hovered over the "diff" on the table to see the revision |
| 20:09:30 | rasher | amiconn: I'm not bothered at 1024x768 |
| 20:09:34 | bluebrother | rasher: it only matches filenames. |
| 20:09:45 | * | amiconn did the same and hence deems that revision number display unnecessary |
| 20:10:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: I'm not bothered by it; my Nokia 770 is 800x480 and it doesn't annoy me there. |
| 20:10:05 | rasher | bluebrother: so if say a theme file was updated, it would not get redownloaded |
| 20:10:09 | Llorean | amiconn: It's a lot harder to hover over it on some mobile devices. |
| 20:10:15 | Llorean | And honestly, it doesn't make the table any wider for me. |
| 20:10:18 | * | desowin did the same as scorche|sh, and I'm annoyed a bit by that revision number in 'what' table, and 1280x1024 here |
| 20:10:23 | bluebrother | correct. |
| 20:10:23 | * | Llorean accesses that page frequently with a VERY low resolution screen. =P |
| 20:10:31 | * | linuxstb finds the revision distracting in the current location, and finds it useless... |
| 20:10:32 | * | bluebrother notes "make cache better" on todo-list. |
| 20:10:36 | amiconn | The hovering doesn't work though if a revision *only* adds and/or deletes files |
| 20:10:48 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: yes, that's what I had with the "skip 3rd track". Do you always have problems in the same folders or are there differences as well (haven't listened enough yet to answer that for me)? |
| 20:11:00 | rasher | bluebrother: something to keep in mind at least. I don't know if scorche has plans for allowing theme updates though |
| 20:11:07 | bluebrother | the revision could be inside of the title attribute of the table cell |
| 20:11:27 | Llorean | amiconn: What about if the "Subversion" link above the table said "Subversion - Current rXXXXX" and then people could just do mental math? |
| 20:11:34 | Llorean | Instead of having it in the table? |
| 20:11:44 | * | scorche|sh should see about adding better themability support to http://svnlogbrowser.org/ |
| 20:12:13 | linuxstb | How about making the date/time a link to this page? http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=16445 |
| 20:12:49 | scorche|sh | rasher: currently, it drops it all into a temp directory, then i simply do an overwrite |
| 20:13:07 | Llorean | linuxstb: I'd really rather not have to follow a link to see the revision, if at all possible. |
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| 20:13:14 | rasher | scorche|sh: so an updated theme which rbutil won't download could happen |
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| 20:13:28 | rasher | (due to caching) |
| 20:13:40 | scorche|sh | and by the sounds of it, likely would for those who produce that behavior |
| 20:14:14 | pixelma | bluebrother: I also have a rbutil question - I read the installation.tex files and of course some are talking about backing up the original firmware files? Will rbutil do that too and if so where would it store the files? |
| 20:14:37 | pixelma | scratch the first "?" :) |
| 20:14:40 | scorche|sh | the repository could be much more automated, which could also implement certain tags for rbutil.. |
| 20:15:38 | scorche|sh | i can definitely see people whining about rbutil not updating the cache |
| 20:15:40 | Domonoky | pixelma this is bootloader installation for which device ? |
| 20:15:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: The problem is always in the same folder, and I have a few odd folders that do not consistently have this problem (i.e. the problem happens randomly). |
| 20:16:06 | pixelma | Domonoky: for example H10s and Gigabeat |
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| 20:18:27 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: ah ok, will keep an eye on it |
| 20:18:31 | Domonoky | pixelma: for gigabeat it just renames the original in WIMG01.DAT.ORIG |
| 20:18:44 | Domonoky | FWIMG01.DAT.ORIG |
| 20:19:45 | Domonoky | on h10 we rename it to OF.mi4 (also used for dual boot) |
| 20:20:08 | Domonoky | so no backup to the pc... but it keeps the original files on the device.. |
| 20:20:47 | pixelma | yes, but the manual installation instruction give the advice to keep a backup additionally |
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| 20:24:47 | Domonoky | maybe we should add this to rbutils bootloader install.. |
| 20:24:57 | bluebrother | pixelma: yes, but that's the manual installation. We trust our software ;-) |
| 20:25:09 | amiconn | Is there a specific reason to keep a separate copy of the OF? |
| 20:25:12 | bluebrother | but it might be good to add a backup feature, that's right. |
| 20:25:48 | amiconn | I mean, the OF can be obtained from the manufacturers website as well, or am I missing something? |
| 20:25:49 | * | bluebrother remembers the "backup my rb install before upgrading" idea |
| 20:26:19 | pixelma | amiconn: I think so - in case the disk gets corrupted and someone wants to restore... |
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| 20:28:06 | Llorean | amiconn: With regards to teh Gigabeat, I don't know if it can. Every time someone needs one, everyone recommends trying to get it from the CD that came with the player |
| 20:28:34 | pixelma | not sure if it is always available from the manufacturer's site. I just remember that there wasa someone in the forums who had to (wanted to) restore his Gigabeat firmware files and had trouble finding them (and had no own backup) |
| 20:29:02 | * | BigBambi is pretty sure that the gigabeat F firmware is not available from toshiba's website |
| 20:30:00 | amiconn | hmm |
| 20:31:17 | * | LambdaCalculus37 is curious as to if the original CDs for the Gigabeat F had the firmware on them |
| 20:32:25 | toffe82 | I don't think and at one time you could order the update to version 3 for free |
| 20:32:38 | pixelma | I mean the advice could be there in general but this might mean the person still has to fiddle with hidden and system files which s/he doesn't when using rbutil for the bootloader installation |
| 20:32:41 | Llorean | LambdaCalculus37: My understanding is that if you install the Gigabeat Room software, it has the firmware in a subdirectory somewhere |
| 20:32:59 | toffe82 | if you install the original software on you computer, at the first connect , it save the firmware in a folder |
| 20:33:18 | toffe82 | :) |
| 20:33:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ah, I thought so. So if you know which folder to look in, you'll be able to find the Gigabeat's OF, in the event that you need to perform a recovery. |
| 20:34:04 | BigBambi | Only if you have previously installed gigabeat room and connected to it though it seems |
| 20:34:17 | toffe82 | yes |
| 20:34:19 | BigBambi | I never have for instance |
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| 20:37:54 | toffe82 | here it is : http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/su/su_sc_dtlViewDL.jsp?ct=DL&soid=1835692&ref=EV |
| 20:38:20 | BigBambi | here too: http://www.toshiba.com.hk/eng/download/list.asp |
| 20:38:30 | * | BigBambi takes it back |
| 20:38:45 | BigBambi | Takes back it not being there that is |
| 20:38:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | BigBambi: I was just about to say, too... :) |
| 20:39:08 | toffe82 | the on of HK is fir asian version ? |
| 20:39:15 | BigBambi | dunno |
| 20:39:15 | toffe82 | ^^for |
| 20:39:20 | toffe82 | I think so |
| 20:39:27 | BigBambi | I didn't actually download it |
| 20:40:55 | BigBambi | They certainly don't go out of their way to help their customers |
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| 20:51:05 | pixelma | so the firmware file is available, no need for a backup? Although that wouldn't hurt... |
| 20:51:47 | BigBambi | I'd still back up though - the Toshiba website is a bloody nightmare |
| 20:51:58 | BigBambi | So much easier just to have the small back up |
| 20:52:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yeah, making a backup is a wise idea. |
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| 20:55:42 | pixelma | then it would become an rbutil feature request |
| 20:55:58 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: How urgent are the messages from the pcm buffer? A queue safe for use by that would need to have message polled for only. |
| 20:56:13 | Domonoky | pixelma: any idea where on the pc rbutil should put the backup ? |
| 20:57:02 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I don't know |
| 20:58:09 | pixelma | Domonoky: not sure.. maybe in the rbutil directory (if I remember correctly that there is one)? |
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| 20:59:17 | My_Sic | hi all |
| 20:59:20 | Domonoky | pixelma: application dir isnt good, because that might not be writeable on linux... maybe somewhere in the home dir.. |
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| 21:03:12 | pixelma | maybe let it create a directory in the home dir with a very descirptive name e.g. "Gigabeat Original Firmware" and in it the actual .dat file, if that is possible? |
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| 21:03:19 | My_Sic | Is it normal that only the first song I select in a list is updated for the trackcount and autoscore ??? All the other aren't updated. |
| 21:03:41 | Domonoky | pixelma: should be possible... |
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| 21:04:38 | pixelma | My_Sic: I believe there was a bug report and I thought it was recently fixed. But I don't use this feature so can't tell for sure |
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| 21:13:40 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: guess I'll just try something out then :) |
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| 21:19:18 | Domonoky_ | pixelma: rbutil now makes a backup of the OF for h10 and gigabeat .. :-) |
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| 21:22:12 | bluebrother | Domonoky_: urgh. I really don't like a tool creating arbitrary folders in my home dir |
| 21:22:37 | bluebrother | at least, it should be able to turn that feature off. Or better, allow the user to choose the location for the backup |
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| 21:22:49 | Domonoky_ | bluebrother: do you have a better idea for the backup location ? |
| 21:22:57 | bluebrother | also, have you thought about a user updating the bootloader? He might overwrite his backup with the current bootloader |
| 21:23:04 | Domonoky_ | no.. |
| 21:23:33 | Domonoky_ | it just makes the backup, if there is no renamed OF file on the device.. |
| 21:23:42 | Llorean | I have about a billion .blah type folders in my home folder from myriad linux apps. It seems a pretty common practice, I think. |
| 21:23:55 | Domonoky_ | so if you update your bootloader, it wont overwrite the backup.. |
| 21:24:10 | bluebrother | Llorean: yes, for dot folders. Not for visible folders. |
| 21:24:32 | Llorean | So why nto make the backup folder invisible? |
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| 21:24:38 | Llorean | Then just have them use RBUtil to restore the backup, too. |
| 21:24:48 | Domonoky_ | bluebrother: should i add a . ? (what about windows) ? |
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| 21:27:33 | rasher | Why not just prompt the user for somewhere to save the backup? (and allow him to cancel) |
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| 21:28:22 | bluebrother | sec, phone |
| 21:28:30 | pixelma | sounds good |
| 21:29:11 | stripwax | I'd much rather be asked than have a windows app automatically save cached backups I don't know about to a place I don't know about.. |
| 21:29:16 | * | Domonoky_ doesnt like it... (it would need a Dialog box from the bootloader installation, and what about console interface? ) |
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| 21:29:38 | rasher | That also means that the user is aware that a backup has been made, and knows where it's stored |
| 21:29:46 | stripwax | ye[ |
| 21:29:48 | stripwax | yep |
| 21:30:09 | rasher | Domonoky_: Can't the console interface ask stuff? |
| 21:30:10 | * | Domonoky_ doesnt want to put GUI elements into the bootloader install... its nicely seperated at moment... :-/ |
| 21:30:25 | rasher | Abstract! |
| 21:30:28 | Domonoky_ | rasher: sure it can, but this means #ifdef ing.. |
| 21:30:38 | stripwax | or optional arg? |
| 21:30:58 | rasher | I really don't think a backup that the user has no clue exists is a good solution |
| 21:31:18 | * | bluebrother back |
| 21:31:38 | bluebrother | well, how about adding a button to the bootloader install dialog? |
| 21:31:45 | Domonoky_ | should i go back to before without extra backup ( it already renames the originals on device instead of overwriting) ? :-) |
| 21:31:47 | rasher | I suppose you could tell the user "A backup has been made in <foo>", but I bet that's prone to getting ignored |
| 21:31:58 | bluebrother | (install) (cancel) (backup old bl)? |
| 21:32:14 | Domonoky_ | bluebrother: there is no bootloader install dialog ? .. :-) |
| 21:32:26 | bluebrother | there is a confirmation dialog ;-) |
| 21:32:59 | rasher | Oh by the way, would it be possible to replace "Install" with "Update" where appropriate if rbutil detects that Rockbox is already installed? |
| 21:33:19 | Domonoky_ | rasher: only the naming ? |
| 21:33:19 | bluebrother | sure. Sounds like a nice idea. |
| 21:33:48 | rasher | Domonoky_: I mean that the user will be looking for an option to update, assuming he's already installed |
| 21:34:03 | rasher | Not knowing that install and update means the same |
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| 21:34:44 | bluebrother | well, first of all we could replace the "Install" tab by "Install / Upgrade" |
| 21:34:48 | Domonoky_ | then maybe it would be better to just name it "Install/Update", and dont dynamically rename it ? |
| 21:35:30 | bluebrother | dynamically renaming could be confusing, so maybe using both terms is better |
| 21:35:44 | stripwax | also simpler |
| 21:35:52 | bluebrother | that too ;-) |
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| 21:36:18 | bluebrother | only drawback is that that tab will get rather wide due to its title. But I think we can deal with that ;-) |
| 21:36:24 | rasher | That also works (I just love when software figures out what I want - and there's no way I'll want to "install" once I've already done that) |
| 21:36:35 | Domonoky_ | we could also make an extra update button/tab, which does the same as install *hehe* |
| 21:36:48 | rasher | Domonoky_: I almost like that idea better |
| 21:36:55 | bluebrother | well, that tab shouldn't include the bootloader |
| 21:37:11 | stripwax | rasher - I don't .. |
| 21:37:14 | rasher | bluebrother: why not? You can update the bootloader as well |
| 21:37:29 | bluebrother | hmm, but an update could automatically include a backup of the old build |
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| 21:37:39 | bluebrother | correct, but how often is that needed? |
| 21:37:58 | * | bluebrother agrees with stripwax |
| 21:38:21 | rasher | Then it's settled |
| 21:38:41 | bluebrother | an update could also try to update all installed packages −− voice, themes, etc. |
| 21:39:09 | bluebrother | maybe make it figure out the installed and available versions and give the user a list where he can check the parts he wants to upgrade |
| 21:39:13 | bluebrother | similar to the uninstall window |
| 21:39:57 | bluebrother | for that to work easily, we could write the download url to the installation configuration |
| 21:40:24 | * | Domonoky_ would really like to see someone polishin rbutils UI, it also needs more explaining splashes / texts.. |
| 21:40:42 | * | bluebrother agrees |
| 21:40:53 | rasher | And all-tango icons! |
| 21:40:55 | bluebrother | I'd also like to have some internal polishing. |
| 21:41:05 | bluebrother | why not? |
| 21:41:18 | rasher | What? |
| 21:41:30 | bluebrother | all-tango icons. |
| 21:41:32 | * | Domonoky_ is missing time... t |
| 21:41:45 | bluebrother | hehe ... you're not the only one. |
| 21:42:04 | * | bluebrother has a bit of time tomorrow, waiting for the telecom guy |
| 21:42:20 | rasher | bluebrother: the voice icons are "wrong" |
| 21:42:31 | stripwax | rasher - they're mine |
| 21:42:39 | bluebrother | oh, and I found a nasty bug: if you enable offline mode rbutil will crash if you open the themes dialog |
| 21:43:01 | bluebrother | rasher: I'm aware of that. (that "why not?" wasn't a question ...) |
| 21:43:16 | rasher | Ah, now I understand. |
| 21:43:34 | bluebrother | hopefully I'll can fix that tomorrow. But it's not a common setup anyway. |
| 21:43:39 | * | Domonoky_ likes the voice icons.. specially crafted for rbutil :-) |
| 21:43:44 | stripwax | yep :-) |
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| 21:44:00 | rasher | Domonoky_: but in a completely different style than the rest |
| 21:44:03 | stripwax | rasher - is tango a style guide as well as a free collection? |
| 21:44:05 | bluebrother | stripwax: how about all-stripwax icons? ;) |
| 21:44:13 | rasher | stripwax: indeed it is |
| 21:44:19 | * | stripwax is missing time too .. |
| 21:44:21 | stripwax | :) |
| 21:44:23 | Domonoky_ | maybe we should replace the normal tango icons.. and put stripwax to work.. *hehe* |
| 21:44:26 | rasher | This was the best I could do without having to draw anything myself: rasher.dk/rockbox/dap-lips.png">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/dap-lips.png |
| 21:44:44 | rasher | (just stealing bits from gnome-icon-theme) |
| 21:45:03 | bluebrother | rasher: shouldn't that be dap-kiss.png? *g* |
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| 21:45:17 | rasher | yeah, I think the lips came off a kiss-emoticon |
| 21:45:37 | stripwax | rasher - got a link (to tango). sorry if that's a really stupid question.. tango is not something I know about |
| 21:46:12 | rasher | stripwax: http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Theme_Guidelines |
| 21:46:41 | stripwax | ta |
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| 21:51:34 | bluebrother | hmm, do we have usbids of the sansa's v2 available? Would be interesting to know −− if they differ from v1's we could use them ... |
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| 21:52:21 | rasher | That might avoid some support issues |
| 21:52:36 | bikedude880 | Are there any objections to someone attempting to write an HFS+ driver for the minority of MacPod users? |
| 21:52:49 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: a viable method => jhmikes.cleansoap.org/pcmbuf_safe_queue.diff">http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/pcmbuf_safe_queue.diff |
| 21:52:54 | bluebrother | yep. Just had the idea when reading a forum post |
| 21:53:18 | bluebrother | bikedude880: I don't think so, but I also don't think there will be much interest in it. |
| 21:53:27 | bluebrother | but if you want to try, go ahead ;-) |
| 21:53:56 | rasher | Might mean binsize increase for no gain for almost all users |
| 21:54:15 | bluebrother | well, it could get ifdef'ed |
| 21:54:20 | bikedude880 | Config file fat/hfs, not both at the same time |
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| 21:57:09 | Llorean | bikedude880: How 'bout finishing up work on making iPodPatcher able to convert HFS+ iPods instead? |
| 21:58:22 | * | bikedude880 shudders |
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| 21:58:57 | * | bluebrother wonders if the reason for wanting hfs+ support is a bad fat support in macos |
| 21:59:44 | Horscht | does macos really have a bad fat support? |
| 21:59:52 | bikedude880 | Nah, I just don't like the 4GB size limit in FAT32... I store a lot of files on my iPod as well as music :) |
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| 22:00:08 | bluebrother | I heard of it being bad. Haven't experienced it myself though. |
| 22:00:16 | Horscht | multi volume archives, bikedude880 :p |
| 22:00:25 | Llorean | Or a second "data" partition |
| 22:00:33 | * | gevaerts suggests XFS |
| 22:00:38 | bluebrother | ext3 support ;-) |
| 22:00:47 | bluebrother | or even ext4? |
| 22:00:49 | * | rasher coughs |
| 22:00:55 | Llorean | Horscht: MacOS is known for taking exceedingly long amounts of times to mount a FAT32 drive, for some reason. |
| 22:01:02 | Horscht | bluebrother, basicaly the same, no? |
| 22:01:31 | Horscht | maybe Apple wants to discriminate FAT users |
| 22:01:32 | bluebrother | well, ext4 is the new upcoming version ... afaik it has quite some differences to ext3 |
| 22:01:45 | Horscht | yes, but i think it's bw compatible |
| 22:01:58 | Horscht | i.e. you can mount an ext4 FS as ext3 |
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| 22:02:09 | Horscht | of course, without the ext4 features |
| 22:02:18 | bluebrother | I'm not too familiar with that. I guess so, as that also works for ext3 -> ext2 |
| 22:02:40 | Horscht | yeah, that's why I was assuming the same for ext4 -> ext3 |
| 22:03:02 | bluebrother | we'll see. For now I'm quite fine with ext3 on my workstation. |
| 22:03:17 | stripwax | ext2 would be an easier implementation in rb |
| 22:03:30 | Horscht | I am not even sure if mine is ext3 or ext2 |
| 22:03:39 | bluebrother | stripwax: compared to ext3 or hfs+? |
| 22:03:47 | * | Llorean thinks we should stick to one filesystem. |
| 22:04:10 | stripwax | ext3 |
| 22:04:16 | Llorean | FAT32 |
| 22:04:17 | bluebrother | ah. Of course. |
| 22:04:23 | Horscht | as far as I understood, the reason for using fat was to keep the kernel size of rockbox small, no? |
| 22:04:31 | Llorean | Horscht: No |
| 22:04:34 | bluebrother | but I also agree that adding another filesystem won't be a real benefit. |
| 22:04:37 | Llorean | It's more for compatibility. |
| 22:04:57 | Llorean | You can plug a FAT32 formatted player into the vast majority of computers and not need to install anything special to use it. |
| 22:05:08 | bluebrother | Horscht: on windows, you can use FAT ... or NTFS, which isn't quite well-known and much more complex. |
| 22:05:09 | Horscht | I meant for using fat only |
| 22:05:11 | Llorean | vast majority of _home_ computers. |
| 22:05:18 | bluebrother | I think the choice is rather easy. |
| 22:05:32 | rasher | Besides, some of our supported platform's bootloaders absolutely require FAT iirc |
| 22:05:37 | Llorean | Horscht: Well if you have more than one, A) Kernel gets bigger, B) Maintenance of code gets more complex. |
| 22:05:42 | gevaerts | And as long as most or all OFs do FAT, there's not much choic if you want dual boot |
| 22:05:48 | Horscht | wll, there's an ext2/3 driver for windows ;p |
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| 22:06:07 | * | Horscht runs and hides |
| 22:06:11 | bluebrother | there are two even. Both have issues |
| 22:06:17 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: does it make any noticeable change ? |
| 22:06:17 | amiconn | On many targets, there are further reasons to stick with vfat |
| 22:06:24 | * | bluebrother used both drivers already. |
| 22:07:15 | Horscht | i only used one. only occasionaly, though |
| 22:07:32 | amiconn | Buschel: around? |
| 22:07:51 | bluebrother | anyway, time to go. bye. |
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| 22:08:02 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I hope it won't normally but ensure that the kernel doesn't get trashed. |
| 22:08:27 | dionoea | pixelma: Hi. what was the bug you wanted me to have a look at? |
| 22:08:33 | Nico_P | a noble goal |
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| 22:10:58 | pixelma | dionoea: moving a track in the playlist on my Ondio displays the wrong one during the moving "animation" but seems to move the right one (didn't see this effect on my Sansa yet...). |
| 22:11:16 | dionoea | ah right, I'll check that right away. |
| 22:12:08 | pixelma | thanks :) |
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| 22:12:14 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I just wanted it checked to see if anything turns weird because of message order changes |
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| 22:14:19 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: btw, did your latest commit fix any "real world" problems? |
| 22:15:20 | fyrestorm | rockbox commit fixing global economy?! one can only dream :D |
| 22:15:21 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: big time 1) 5g isn't slowed by mutex use 2) threads are scheduled correctly which is extremely evident in running plugins during playback |
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| 22:19:31 | crzyboyster | I am designing the default theme for the mrobe 100. The screen resolution is 160x128x1 and I am simply modifiying the 160x128x2 version. 160x128x1 means that the length of the screen is 160 and height is 128 and here's where I need some clarification. |
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| 22:20:09 | crzyboyster | Would it mean that only black and white can be shown on the screen? No shades of gray? |
| 22:20:16 | Febs | crzyboyster: correct. |
| 22:21:13 | crzyboyster | Hmm. When I am finished with it, I will upload it to the tracker and hopefully someone can fix up the graphics as they probably won't turn out do good... |
| 22:21:34 | * | gevaerts has his doubts on the sanity of the Windows XP usb mass storage driver |
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| 22:24:09 | crzyboyster | What would be the easiest way to make the image from 160x128x2 to 160x128x1? |
| 22:24:45 | rasher | convert -depth 1 inputfile outputfile |
| 22:25:06 | Domonoky | :-) but perhaps this wont look too good.. |
| 22:25:22 | crzyboyster | How would it be possible in photoshop? Batch convert with what option? |
| 22:25:39 | Horscht | color depth 1bit |
| 22:25:45 | Llorean | Why not use the artwork from the remote control versions as a starting point? |
| 22:26:01 | Llorean | Or the recorder version, even. |
| 22:26:21 | crzyboyster | So that would mean making a whole new wps instead of just renaming/modding images? |
| 22:26:31 | pixelma | chose a different colour depth (experiment with different dithering methods Photoshop provides) |
| 22:26:35 | rasher | Any Sansa v2 owners around? Please check http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13961.30 and reply back if you have a moment |
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| 22:27:11 | Llorean | crzyboyster: Well, if the images depend at all on shades of gray to convey information, you'll have to redo them anyway |
| 22:27:17 | pixelma | Llorean: guess the size should be the same as in the greyscale 160x128 variants? |
| 22:27:39 | Llorean | pixelma: True, but he should look at the existing mono ones for style cues. |
| 22:28:11 | crzyboyster | How about renaming the 160x128x2 version and converting the 160x128x2 images to 160x128x1 and somebody else would be able to fix it all up? |
| 22:28:15 | pixelma | but if they should look good that probably means manual editing anyways (which is what I would do, more work but better control of the outcome) |
| 22:28:41 | Llorean | crzyboyster: If you're not going to do the actual work, I'm not really sure what good that does anyawy. |
| 22:29:08 | pixelma | besides I think the greyscale icons could do with some polishing too |
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| 22:31:24 | crzyboyster | I will start now and probably redo a lot of things according to the archos version. |
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| 22:39:52 | dionoea | pixelma: i can't reproduce your bug with a dummy playlist in the h1x0 sim |
| 22:40:05 | dionoea | or maybe i misunderstood how to reproduce it |
| 22:40:19 | dionoea | or maybe it only happens in the main playlist |
| 22:40:31 | pixelma | maybe it's a hwcodec thing (as I said I only observed it on my Ondio not the Sansa) |
| 22:40:59 | dionoea | That code isn't really hw dependant :/ |
| 22:41:03 | dionoea | I'll build an ondio sim |
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| 22:41:10 | dionoea | would that also happen on the recorder sim? |
| 22:41:28 | pixelma | I'd guess so |
| 22:42:35 | pixelma | I've seen some #if (CONFIG_CODEC != SWCODEC) in playlist.c so I thought there might be differences... although I don't really understand the code... |
| 22:43:35 | * | amiconn summons LinusN |
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| 22:43:40 | dionoea | I'm not very familiar with that code ... but i'll have a look (if i can reproduce the bug) |
| 22:43:59 | dionoea | hum ... test_codec.c doesn't compile for the recorder sim :D |
| 22:44:27 | pixelma | hehe |
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| 22:46:39 | stripwax | gevaerts - how's it going? |
| 22:47:21 | * | amiconn wonders what the TEA1211 does in the ipods, and if we need to program it somehow for proper usb operation |
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| 22:50:31 | dionoea | pixelma: seems to be working fine in the recorder sim. I'll try an ondio one |
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| 22:51:42 | pixelma | I'll try too but I remember this wasn't the first time I saw it |
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| 22:54:01 | pixelma | weird, seems to work now... :\ |
| 22:54:14 | gibbon_ | evening |
| 22:54:26 | dionoea | pixelma: maybe you need to do a specific combination |
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| 22:55:01 | dionoea | Anyway i'll stop building sims for the time being and i'll test LinusN's patch |
| 22:55:03 | gevaerts | stripwax: I just did some tests with windows. Results are pretty clear. Back ports work great, front ports work horribly slow. |
| 22:55:20 | stripwax | what about side ports? |
| 22:55:35 | stripwax | (btw : not sure what you mean) |
| 22:55:41 | pixelma | dionoea: yeah, I'll try to figure it out - could take a while but thanks anyway :) |
| 22:55:51 | dionoea | you're welcome |
| 22:56:31 | gevaerts | stripwax: Most modern PCs have USB ports on the back and the front. Those on the back are wired directly to the controller via traces on the mainboard. Those on the front are wired with bad cables |
| 22:57:31 | stripwax | I see what you mean. Mine has a breakout board for the front ports, although I get good speed. My laptop only has side ports :) |
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| 22:58:04 | stripwax | also have a separate pci usb2.0 card, in addition to the built in ports |
| 22:58:39 | gevaerts | If your device provides good clean signals, the front ports will work. If you don't have clean signals (which seems to be the case on some of the PP targets, but not all), front ports are hopeless |
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| 22:59:33 | stripwax | gevaerts - which PP targets (ipod?). Does OF perform any better/worse than rb in that respect? |
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| 23:00:38 | gevaerts | stripwax: The OF works fine, so it's an initialization issue somewhere. One theory is that PP5020 works fine and PP502[12] doesn't. |
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| 23:01:28 | gevaerts | stripwax: H10 works fine, Sansa c250 has problems, ipod mini 2nd gen has problems. I don't have data on other ipods yet |
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| 23:03:55 | stripwax | gevaerts - ah, I guess we were talking at cross purposes. I interpreted your having doubts about windows usb sanity as being the thing you were talking about now - that's a entirely secondary issue then! |
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| 23:04:41 | gevaerts | stripwax: yes, that's different. I was looking at a trace taken from windows talking to the sansa OF. |
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| 23:07:46 | amiconn | It might also be some voltage regulator init |
| 23:08:56 | amiconn | That's what I want to ask LinusN - whether he found some i2c write to address 0x10 in his G5 rom disassembling session(s) |
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| 23:09:23 | amiconn | 0x10 would be the TEA1211 |
| 23:10:01 | amiconn | gevaerts: Do you have access to equipment for measuring physical signal levels / waveforms? |
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| 23:12:03 | gevaerts | amiconn: I'm not sure. There is equipment at work, (up to 15GHz sampling if you need it), but I'm not familiar with it, so I'm dependent on other people there |
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| 23:15:27 | pixelma | reminds me a bit of the weird battery voltage that I get to see in the "view battery" debug screen on my c200 (no USB enabled build) |
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| 23:17:15 | pixelma | I mean when I hold select while plugging USB to get it into charging mode |
| 23:18:26 | gevaerts | I'm not sure what numbers to expect there. Here it currently says 4.612V |
| 23:19:39 | pixelma | amiconn once said if 4,6 Volts + was true, the battery would already be exploded... |
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| 23:22:04 | pixelma | it's also interesting to watch how it develops right after the connect - it seems sane in the beginning (3.9V here) and stays this way for another minute or so, then suddenly jumped to 4.3V and rises further to 4.6 real quick |
| 23:22:57 | gevaerts | I guess also the reason why it stops charging too soon. Anyway I'll leave that to people who actually understand batteries |
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| 23:28:15 | faemir | Can someone tell me what files I need to delete the database? |
| 23:28:26 | faemir | to delete to delete the database? * |
| 23:28:28 | krazykit | .rockbox/*.tcd |
| 23:28:35 | faemir | Thanks. |
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| 23:30:41 | * | gevaerts got sd-card hotplugging while connected to work |
| 23:30:52 | BigBambi | \o/ |
| 23:31:31 | gevaerts | It was something silly. The sd thread used to wait until disconnect (which makes sense for a hardware usb bridge) |
| 23:32:09 | * | preglow does the i just brewed a batch of porter dance |
| 23:32:25 | preglow | and more usb success too \o/ |
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| 23:37:29 | inkognito_O | hey guys |
| 23:38:02 | inkognito_O | would someone support me using tcctool please? |
| 23:38:11 | Aevum | only toshiba F series supported ? |
| 23:38:22 | krazykit | Aevum, F and X series, for now |
| 23:38:24 | Aevum | the series M i guess not |
| 23:38:34 | Aevum | whats series x ? |
| 23:38:37 | krazykit | Aevum, supported players are listed on the front page |
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| 23:40:12 | jhMikeS | preglow: you're running your own microbrew now? :) |
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| 23:44:23 | inkognito_O | i got a samsung k3 mp3-player .. booting it in recovery mode made windows identify it at removable device twice, but know it doesn't work anymore .. got anyone some idea how to solve that problem? you would make me a lucky man ;) |
| 23:44:49 | BigBambi | Sorry, this channel is for Rockbox only |
| 23:44:59 | BigBambi | Try a samsung support site |
| 23:45:12 | inkognito_O | does rockbox not supply the tcc-drivers? |
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| 23:45:58 | inkognito_O | i thought the tcc-drivers make windows identify a mtp-player like k3 as removable disk!? |
| 23:46:06 | amiconn | gevaerts: Your sd thread fix has a problem - the sd thread no longer acknowledges the disconnect |
| 23:46:07 | Bagder | inkognito_O: "the tcc-drivers" ? |
| 23:46:21 | preglow | jhMikeS: yeah :) |
| 23:46:39 | inkognito_O | yeah, the driver for tcctools |
| 23:46:40 | preglow | jhMikeS: my beer interest kind of just went along to its logical conclusion |
| 23:46:44 | Bagder | inkognito_O: for the k3, rockbox provides tcctool which is a neat way to start hacking rockbox for that device |
| 23:47:12 | gevaerts | amiconn: I'll fix it |
| 23:47:15 | BigBambi | inkognito_O: If you have problems, you really are better with a samsung related site I think |
| 23:47:18 | inkognito_O | sorry bagder, i didn't get that .. my english is not the best :\ |
| 23:47:44 | BigBambi | inkognito_O: We have a tool that can help load code to start putting rockbox on the k3 |
| 23:47:52 | BigBambi | But not to do what you want |
| 23:47:55 | Bagder | inkognito_O: tcctool is "just" a tool to download and run (custom) code on a TCC target. |
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| 23:48:23 | amiconn | us_wait_for_disconnect() not only blocks, but also does that acknowledge. If this isn't done, the next connection won't work (that is, it *should* not work. If it does, there's something wrong in the usb thread as well) |
| 23:49:04 | inkognito_O | hmm .. but i need a driver called tcc.inf (from the tcctool-zipfile) to make windows identify my k3 as a removable device, don't I? |
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| 23:49:28 | Bagder | inkognito_O: no |
| 23:49:47 | Bagder | at least I'm not aware of any such stunt |
| 23:50:50 | inkognito_O | hum .. i got the information from a "tutorial" |
| 23:50:55 | * | jhMikeS though usb_acknowledge acked and usb_wait_for_disconnect just waited for a message to be posted |
| 23:50:55 | inkognito_O | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14516&page=6 |
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| 23:51:18 | Llorean | inkognito_O: Then perhaps you should ask the people providing the tutorial... |
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| 23:51:58 | Bagder | inkognito_O: that tutorial doesn't say the "driver" makes your player appear as a "removable disk" |
| 23:52:17 | inkognito_O | @bagder .. but it does ;) |
| 23:52:23 | * | gevaerts thinks it's a good thing that some people watch commits like hawks |
| 23:52:30 | Bagder | inkognito_O: where? |
| 23:52:54 | inkognito_O | starting the player in recovery mode makes popping up a "found unknown hardware" dialogue |
| 23:53:12 | inkognito_O | installing the tcc.inf driver makes windows identify the player as a removable disk |
| 23:53:20 | inkognito_O | removable device, i mean |
| 23:53:21 | amiconn | jhMikeS: usb_acknowledge acknowledges the *connect* event. usb_wait_for_disconnect waits for *disconnect* and also acknowledges it |
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| 23:54:06 | inkognito_O | so, i'm not that skilled in computer-stuff, but that's me conclusion |
| 23:54:10 | inkognito_O | *my |
| 23:54:20 | Bagder | inkognito_O: anyway, the driver doesn't do magic so it can't offer that |
| 23:54:25 | amiconn | Actually, usb_acknowledge can acknowledge both event, and is used internally by usb_wait_for_disconnect |
| 23:54:47 | jhMikeS | amiconn: righto. that can be done externally from that anyway. |
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| 23:55:04 | amiconn | It can, but it shouldn't |
| 23:55:40 | inkognito_O | hum .. okay, i didn't expect tcctool being a wizard ;) |
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| 23:56:01 | jhMikeS | what choice is there if a thread must attend to its own stuff while connected and also receive system events? |
| 23:56:07 | inkognito_O | but this insight doesnt solves my problem :D |
| 23:56:39 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Then it must not use usb_wait_for_disconnect, and acknowledge both event types directly |
| 23:57:14 | amiconn | usb_wait_for_disconnect is a simplification for threads which have to stay blocked during usb |
| 23:57:14 | jhMikeS | that's what I thought I conveyed by "externally" :) |
| 23:57:54 | amiconn | Then I misunderstood what you meant |
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| 23:58:51 | stripwax | inkognito_O - I don't think we can solve your problem, as we don't support your mp3 player and we didn't write that tutorial.. |
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