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| 00:00:15 | jhMikeS | shouldn't it avoid idle notifys too then? |
| 00:00:34 | inkognito_O | stripwax: don't you support it because you're not aware of the k3-thing or because this is not a rockbox-thing? |
| 00:01:01 | Llorean | inkognito_O: not a rockbox thing |
| 00:01:37 | inkognito_O | hum .. okay, thats a pity |
| 00:01:39 | advcomp2019 | inkognito_O, i know there might be a few people at #AnythingButiPod that could help |
| 00:02:33 | inkognito_O | advcomp2019: thanks for the hint :) |
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| 00:02:54 | inkognito_O | i wish you a good night! |
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| 00:27:27 | webguest66 | hi can you guys help me out. i just copied all the pacman files into the pacman directory i already checked that i had the right files and that they were in the right place but i still can't play pacman. please help. :) |
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| 00:28:49 | rasher | webguest66: Then they probably weren't the right files, or they weren't in the right place. |
| 00:30:57 | webguest66 | but they are i have al of them. |
| 00:31:27 | Llorean | Do the MD5 sums match? |
| 00:31:42 | webguest66 | do the what? |
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| 00:32:42 | Llorean | Google "MD5" and you should find out more about them. We give the values for the files on the PluginPacbox page |
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| 00:34:48 | webguest66 | oh sorry never mind i copied 1 file twice instead of the other. it works now. thank you! :) |
| 00:37:30 | webguest66 | do you guys know a link to a site that can teach me how to install rockbox patches? |
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| 01:24:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Still here? |
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| 01:30:40 | vers | how can i connect my ipod to rockbox...or open a .zip file and install it? |
| 01:31:27 | vers | anyone? |
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| 01:36:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | People have no patience, it seems. |
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| 02:23:43 | crzyboyster | The archos version of cabbiev2's files could use some renaming. Look at http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/wps/cabbiev2/ and none of the archos version's files are named consistently with the rest of the ports' files. Does anybody else really care about this? |
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| 02:34:49 | crzyboyster | So I guess nobody really cares... |
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| 02:36:14 | krazykit | or maybe waiting 10 minutes on IRC tells you jack squat. |
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| 02:41:57 | dcbahr | hello need tech help with voice file on ipod, apparently it doesn't talk when I have the ipod plugged in to the computer, any ideas on this? |
| 02:44:42 | dcbahr | uh, I guess no one is around? |
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| 02:46:17 | advcomp2019 | dcbahr, just hold on |
| 02:46:32 | dcbahr | holding |
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| 02:47:23 | advcomp2019 | dcbahr, people are here but you might have to wait for someone that knows your question |
| 02:48:46 | dcbahr | alright i understand,thank you |
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| 02:50:48 | mikegerwitz | Hey - I just registered for the wiki; could I have write access to add info regarding the Sansa e280v2 to DeviceDetection? |
| 02:50:53 | mikegerwitz | Username MikeGerwitz |
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| 03:31:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | I was just called by a friend of mine with a Rockboxed H120, saying that Rockbox doesn't boot fully, and is giving him an "ATA -32 error", although I'm unsure what the error means. Any advice? |
| 03:31:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'm thinking it has to do with his filesystem or the hard drive. |
| 03:31:56 | Llorean | HD. |
| 03:32:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: Crap. I was afraid of that. =/ |
| 03:32:18 | Llorean | I *think* it may be an issue requiring a touch of soldering, but I'm not really sure |
| 03:32:35 | Llorean | It's actually a daughterboard thing, iirc. But that might've been -11 |
| 03:33:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: If it *does* require soldering, what would I have to solder/ |
| 03:33:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | ? |
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| 03:34:04 | Llorean | I don't really no, I've never experienced the problem myself. The man to ask would be LinusN when he's around |
| 03:35:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | All right, I'll ask him in the morning. He should be around by then. |
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| 03:35:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | But I also have to check the file system on my friend's H120, because he was also telling me that the free space/used space measurements are really unusual. |
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| 03:36:25 | Llorean | According to Rockbox, or Windows? |
| 03:37:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: According to Windows, he has (currently) 7.1 GB free. According to Rockbox, he has, and this is verbatim, "10 *!# $ B W { > .." |
| 03:37:46 | Llorean | That's very strange |
| 03:37:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | So I think his file system may be corrupt. |
| 03:38:03 | Llorean | Rockbox will often report wrong values, but this is because Windows fails to update the FAT, iirc. |
| 03:38:19 | Llorean | You can force Rockbox to rescan by pressing "Select" in the space free screen, if memory serves. |
| 03:38:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes, that's correct. I asked him to do it, but he says value given doesn't look correct. |
| 03:39:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'm going to look at it this weekend, so I'll have a better understanding of what it is when I can see it with my own eyes. |
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| 03:47:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: Thanks for the help. :) |
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| 04:33:09 | crzyboyster | Does the mrobe 100 have wps capablities yet? |
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| 04:35:59 | crzyboyster | For reasons uknown to me, the cabbiev2 theme I modded for it won't work on the sim. Although the other wps' do work... |
| 04:38:22 | crzyboyster | If anyone wants to check it out here it is > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3EVNR6TN |
| 04:38:50 | crzyboyster | That's all the work I've done so far, although the rockbox logos and volume icons could use some brushing up... |
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| 05:15:18 | Beta2K | Anyone around know much about the Doom plugin? |
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| 05:19:15 | krazykit | Beta2K, just ask your question |
| 05:20:57 | Beta2K | Welp, on my Gigabeat F when I have the screen turned 90deg in Doom it invitably crashes with a error "Undefined instruction at 0237c56c" |
| 05:21:10 | Beta2K | Seems to always be at the same location |
| 05:22:00 | Beta2K | Yet when running without turning the screen (not a easy task due to button placement) I was able to play through a level and no crash |
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| 05:46:30 | heatman | How do you apply a theme that has been downloaded from the website. Tutorial is not really clear! |
| 05:49:27 | krazykit | what tutorial? |
| 05:51:28 | heatman | well the manual from the website. theres a bunch o themes available but no info on how ton install them once unzipped onto the ipod itself in my example |
| 05:52:04 | cool_walking_ | Well at that point they are installed. |
| 05:52:16 | krazykit | assuming you've done it correctly (unzipped it to the root of your device) you just go to the appropriate settings menu |
| 05:52:46 | krazykit | settings -> theme settings -> browse themes |
| 05:53:56 | heatman | aye... it does not appear there! |
| 05:54:38 | krazykit | then you unzipped it wrong or the wps is packaged incorrectly. did you unzip the WPS the same way you did your rockbox build? |
| 05:55:02 | heatman | lol how can i unzip wrong when using: unzip Ubuntu.zip! |
| 05:55:53 | heatman | what should be the extention of the file? |
| 05:57:11 | krazykit | try "unzip Ubuntu.zip -d /media/ipod" where /media/ipod is the actual path to your ipod |
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| 06:01:21 | heatman | lol the file is there rockbox cant id it when in the settings > browse themes |
| 06:01:32 | heatman | should it be in a .cfg format? |
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| 06:46:07 | syn4pse | is there a global that tells what resolution the player has, given it has an lcd? |
| 06:47:58 | syn4pse | nm... i'll look at some more code.. |
| 06:49:23 | cool_walking_ | I think so. Look at the plugins and the SOURCES for bitmaps. |
| 06:50:25 | cool_walking_ | Ha, LCD_WIDTH and LCD_HEIGHT.. |
| 06:51:05 | syn4pse | holy cow. i'm going to bury myself in #define statements... :/ |
| 06:51:52 | syn4pse | i managed to squashify my tiles to 7x7. i dont' know if i can get them smaller.... i think figuring out all the different keypads is going to be hard... |
| 06:52:35 | syn4pse | i only have one player (ipod).. heheh |
| 06:54:51 | cool_walking_ | I saw something about an "action API" (?) that means you just map each button once. I think there was a commit not too long ago porting a couple of plugins to it. |
| 06:55:13 | syn4pse | that would be dandy. unless there's a BUTTON_FOO FAQ |
| 06:56:25 | syn4pse | i might be able to use rockblox.c #define lines... i have similar keypresses (up, down, left, right, quit) |
| 06:56:30 | cool_walking_ | err, button *macros*, not API.. that's a seperate thing. |
| 06:56:43 | cool_walking_ | *action macros |
| 06:57:38 | syn4pse | i'm going to try and get into it after the weekend. i have a friend coming into town and i'll be wasted. hopefully not too wasted, but out of coding commission. |
| 06:57:56 | syn4pse | haven't seen him in a few years. |
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| 06:59:56 | syn4pse | so, i get the defines in, scale the map (the rest is easy to scale, coded for that)... what's next? do i do an emulation on each architecture? |
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| 07:00:46 | syn4pse | sorry, but i haven't much experience coding for more than one platform. :D |
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| 07:00:56 | cool_walking_ | There's a wiki page on this somewhere... |
| 07:01:40 | cool_walking_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoVerifyPlugins |
| 07:01:58 | syn4pse | thank you |
| 07:04:50 | syn4pse | ok that's bookmarked... |
| 07:05:14 | syn4pse | i appreciate your help. gotta hit the hay. |
| 07:05:21 | cool_walking_ | cya |
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| 07:08:01 | nargster | Hello, I was wondering if there's some sort of plugin to randomize/rotate themes within Rockbox? I've been googling and forum hunting, and either my searching is terrible or I can't find any information on it, probably a mixture of both :) |
| 07:08:53 | scorche | nargster: nope |
| 07:09:05 | nargster | Ahh, thanks ! |
| 07:09:31 | nargster | Saved me another few hours of searching before giving up, hehe |
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| 07:59:19 | Monga | Make gigabeat S hax plz. |
| 07:59:44 | scorche | it is being worked on |
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| 08:00:48 | Monga | wurk faster plz. |
| 08:01:36 | scorche | u wurk too plz ;) |
| 08:01:44 | Monga | Lol I'm joking. |
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| 08:29:08 | markun | Monga: btw, the Gigabeat S is being refered to as "the beast" in here :) |
| 08:29:47 | Monga | Lol. |
| 08:29:56 | Monga | It will be pretty sick when it's done. |
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| 08:35:28 | GodEater | mine's been ill all over the desk in fact |
| 08:36:01 | Monga | Lol, bit like my PSP. |
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| 08:39:18 | CharlieC | hey guys. how do you get permission to contribute a theme in the wps gallery? |
| 08:40:32 | GodEater | you ask here |
| 08:40:58 | CharlieC | ok. can i get permission? |
| 08:41:13 | GodEater | what's your wiki name ? |
| 08:41:18 | CharlieC | CharlieCatura |
| 08:41:28 | GodEater | one second |
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| 08:42:02 | GodEater | done |
| 08:42:10 | CharlieC | cool! |
| 08:42:24 | CharlieC | awesome. thanks a lot! |
| 08:42:39 | GodEater | np |
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| 09:08:02 | * | petur gets a mail from A-Data and gives up on them |
| 09:08:51 | LinusN | tell me |
| 09:09:23 | petur | I asked why the card refuses the powermanagement setting when it says it supports it. Their answer: RMA number |
| 09:10:48 | * | petur discovered why the cards he tried yesterday didn't work: windows formatted them FAT16 :/ |
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| 09:18:45 | amiconn | petur: Is it <512MB? |
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| 09:20:46 | petur | some might |
| 09:20:55 | petur | most should be 512MB |
| 09:21:22 | petur | I'll try again this noon - I modified the bootloader to print the interesting values |
| 09:21:47 | amiconn | 512MB cards are usually <512MB |
| 09:22:01 | amiconn | (the old decimal vs. binary problem) |
| 09:22:04 | petur | yes, they are 512000000 |
| 09:22:37 | amiconn | Iirc windows even refuses to format a <512MB partition as fat32 |
| 09:22:59 | amiconn | You could enable fat16 support in rockbox |
| 09:23:09 | petur | indeed, I used gparted (under ubuntu) and it happily formatted one to FAT32 :) |
| 09:23:58 | amiconn | You would also need a fat16 enabled bootloader then |
| 09:24:31 | * | petur hugs gui tools - no need to read tons of man pages to use cryptic commandline options |
| 09:25:35 | petur | amiconn: I now print [0,82,83] in the bootloader - no need to even install rockbox :) |
| 09:25:39 | amiconn | In case you're experimenting with very small cards - partitions < 32MB cannot be formatted as fat32 |
| 09:25:49 | * | GodEater finds that the latest version of rbutilqt still refuses to work for him |
| 09:26:06 | petur | no use in supporting such small cards - even 512MB is too small |
| 09:26:59 | amiconn | Not for normal operation, but you might want to use them for collecting cf identify info |
| 09:28:27 | petur | amiconn: did you see my table in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CFModGuide ? already found two cards that identify as 848A |
| 09:29:49 | linuxstb | fat32format.exe might also be helpful - http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/index.htm?fat32format.htm |
| 09:30:18 | GodEater | assuming the cards all use a 512 byte sector size |
| 09:30:24 | petur | well as I said, gparted did the job fine (nice tool btw) |
| 09:30:49 | amiconn | The >=32MB limit is due to how the fat standard specifies the detection of fat12 <-> fat16 <-> fat32 |
| 09:31:52 | amiconn | fat32 partitions *must* have at least 65525 clusters, and a cluster is at least 1 sector |
| 09:33:28 | * | petur is aware of large parts of the FAT spec ;) |
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| 09:33:42 | studente23 | Hello Guys |
| 09:34:45 | petur | hi |
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| 09:46:59 | Zagor | amiconn: that still doesn't mean small partitions cannot be formatted fat32. only that they shouldn't. linux both formats and mounts them fine, which is nice for testing. |
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| 09:58:33 | JamPS | linux doesn't do a very good job when filling ntfs |
| 09:59:40 | JamPS | still looks bad after many defrags |
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| 10:11:44 | markun | looks bad in what way? fragmented? |
| 10:12:22 | Zagor | JamPS: not surprising since ntfs is very hidden black magic. it took many years to even get safe writing. |
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| 10:30:25 | pondlife | (for the logs) Nico_P: You may want to have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8455 - as you feared, it's r16425 that broke natural playback |
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| 10:33:07 | GodEater | how exactly is it broken ? |
| 10:33:46 | pondlife | GodEater: Playing an album larger than the buffer gets confused when rebuffering takes place |
| 10:33:54 | pondlife | 100% reproducible in the H300 sim |
| 10:34:29 | pondlife | I'm going to retest with current SVN in case Lear and jhMikeS have fixed it |
| 10:34:52 | GodEater | I don't think I have any albums that large |
| 10:35:03 | pondlife | Try a 32MB build? |
| 10:36:13 | pondlife | I think it's the bit in http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/playback.c?r1=16424&r2=16425 at line 1991/2007 that's at fault, but I'm not certain |
| 10:44:41 | amiconn | LinusN: Did you see my question in the logs? |
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| 10:47:15 | LinusN | amiconn: regarding the TEA1211? |
| 10:47:20 | amiconn | yes |
| 10:48:14 | LinusN | i'll see if i find anything next time i look at the rom |
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| 11:03:27 | Nico_P | pondlife: I'll try iy out |
| 11:03:36 | Nico_P | s/iy/it |
| 11:03:40 | pondlife | Try what out? |
| 11:03:54 | * | pondlife checks logs |
| 11:03:55 | Nico_P | the playback bug |
| 11:04:06 | Nico_P | I mean I'll try reproducing it |
| 11:04:18 | pondlife | Did you see my report on FlySpray? |
| 11:04:36 | Nico_P | on FS #8455 ? |
| 11:04:38 | pondlife | Yes |
| 11:04:45 | pondlife | It's definitely r16425 |
| 11:05:41 | pondlife | In http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/playback.c?r1=16424&r2=16425, why did you move the /* Update the playlist */ bit inside the auto_dir_skip test? |
| 11:06:05 | pondlife | i.e. if (auto_dir_skip || !automatic_skip) became if (auto_dir_skip) |
| 11:06:17 | dionoea | LinusN: what's the prefered method to debug the ipod serial driver patch? Using Logf? Or is debug over USB serial usable? |
| 11:06:55 | pondlife | That's a bit of code that I still can't get my head round... so any mass of comments in there would be useful! |
| 11:07:05 | LinusN | dionoea: good question, i have so far used special hacks in the debug menu |
| 11:07:35 | LinusN | i have yet to find out how to make transmission work... :-( |
| 11:08:31 | Nico_P | pondlife: because now in a manual skip, the playlist is updated in audio_skip |
| 11:08:44 | pondlife | Ah, ok |
| 11:08:58 | pondlife | I still don't see why automatic_skip is needed. |
| 11:09:01 | dionoea | LinusN: hum ok. |
| 11:09:05 | pondlife | I mean, conceptually |
| 11:09:23 | pondlife | A track change is a track change. |
| 11:10:07 | Nico_P | manual skips don't have the "transition window" where the codec is one track ahead of the PCM output |
| 11:10:37 | pondlife | So, the variable might be better of refactored as "in_transition_window" ? |
| 11:11:01 | Nico_P | well there are other differences, but of course it would be nice to be able to get rid of them |
| 11:11:20 | amiconn | LinusN: So atm only receiving works? (still sufficient for a remote afaiu) |
| 11:11:37 | Nico_P | for example the playlist index isn't updated at the same time in a manual or an automatic skip |
| 11:11:41 | LinusN | amiconn: correct |
| 11:12:05 | LinusN | amiconn: however, many ipod remotes require tx and rx |
| 11:12:36 | pondlife | Nico_P: All skips consist of two parts; the transition starts, then the WPS changes, no? |
| 11:12:56 | Nico_P | no. in manual skips the WPS is updated before anything happens |
| 11:13:13 | Nico_P | see audio_skip |
| 11:13:39 | Nico_P | this is the reason for that damn wps_offset |
| 11:13:57 | pondlife | Yes, but that's purely a visual thing |
| 11:14:09 | Nico_P | waiting for the track to have effectively changed before updating the WPS would make it very unresponsive |
| 11:14:15 | JamPSi | Zagor, yea :/ too bad fat32 doesn't support >2GB files. |
| 11:14:20 | rasher | LinusN: might this be useful for the sansa as well, or is this not PP-related? |
| 11:14:27 | pondlife | Nico_P: Indeed. |
| 11:14:30 | JamPSi | and ext2/3 is not defragmentable in windows |
| 11:14:43 | LinusN | rasher: i don't know if the tx issue is pp related or not |
| 11:14:49 | Nico_P | pondlife: yeah, wps_offset is mainly visual, but it's the cause of the desync that used to happen |
| 11:14:54 | pondlife | I just feel that the playback logic shouldn't need to vary. |
| 11:15:20 | rasher | LinusN: I meant the serial driver itself. Is it strictly an Ipod thing, or part of the PP? |
| 11:15:23 | Nico_P | I agree on the concept. it's just that the code is so complex that in practice it has to be different |
| 11:15:30 | Zagor | JamPSi: stop using windows :) |
| 11:15:33 | LinusN | rasher: the serial driver is pp |
| 11:15:44 | pondlife | I'd hope that could result in simplification ;) |
| 11:16:27 | Nico_P | yeah, what I'd like to do is take a step backwards and try redesigning the whole thing |
| 11:16:58 | Zagor | JamPSi: on a more serious note, ext2 doesn't normally need defragmentation |
| 11:17:10 | Nico_P | (I said I'd *like* to do it. I didn't make any promises ;) ) |
| 11:18:13 | pondlife | hehe |
| 11:18:21 | pondlife | I'd like to too... |
| 11:18:41 | pondlife | ...but chances of a week off dedicated to hacking are slim. |
| 11:18:48 | Nico_P | indeed |
| 11:19:06 | crashd__ | i'm getting rockbox hanging on some mp4/aac files, what's the best way to report the bug? |
| 11:19:17 | Nico_P | do you think the bug is serious enough that I should revert r16425 until I fix it? |
| 11:19:38 | pondlife | No |
| 11:19:45 | pondlife | Best to progress |
| 11:19:55 | LinusN | crashd__: flyspray, and make sure you let the developers have a track to test with |
| 11:20:07 | crashd__ | yeah, thought as much, cheers linus |
| 11:20:14 | pondlife | Do you have any idea why this might happen? I mean, rebuffering shouldn't impact playback... |
| 11:20:42 | Nico_P | no idea right now. I haven't even see the issue occur. |
| 11:21:01 | pondlife | OK, well have a go - just play a long-ish album naturally |
| 11:21:07 | pondlife | Don't skip or even leave the WPS |
| 11:21:13 | Nico_P | oh |
| 11:21:27 | Nico_P | can't I skip to reach the end of the buffered part? |
| 11:21:31 | pondlife | Maybe |
| 11:21:42 | Nico_P | no wonder I never saw it, I never use my player for very long these days |
| 11:21:42 | pondlife | I tried that and it didn't reproduce though |
| 11:21:48 | LinusN | how about lowering the size of the audio buffer? |
| 11:21:55 | pondlife | Good idea |
| 11:21:57 | Nico_P | yeah I guess I should try that |
| 11:22:09 | pondlife | I've only been able to repro it nicely on the sim |
| 11:22:29 | pondlife | I've not done enough test runs on target |
| 11:22:32 | Nico_P | with letting the tracks play without skipping? |
| 11:22:50 | pondlife | Yes |
| 11:22:59 | Nico_P | ok, I'll try with a small audio buffer |
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| 11:23:30 | pixelma | I found yesterday that it doesn't happen in every folder that is larger than audio buffer (well one album played fine). And it skipped as much tracks ahead in the playlist as the track count in the "view buffering thread" screen told me would be there after rebuffering |
| 11:24:06 | pixelma | ^in the three others where it happened on my c200 |
| 11:24:17 | pondlife | That's what I see on H300 target |
| 11:24:26 | pondlife | A bit intermittent too |
| 11:24:42 | pondlife | But on sim, it's been remarkably consistent |
| 11:24:50 | pixelma | as many too :) |
| 11:25:16 | pondlife | Mind you, my sim is running over a network and has very slow test_disk results; I suppose that might skew things |
| 11:27:45 | Nico_P | LinusN: how do I change the buffer size? |
| 11:28:48 | pixelma | these were the same folders I got the "skip 3rd track" problem before but I didn't listen a lot so far and can't tell for sure (and I also don't know if it tells something) |
| 11:30:30 | pondlife | Nico_P: On the sim, it's defined in buffer.c |
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| 11:31:12 | pondlife | Somewhere there's a #define MEM |
| 11:31:20 | Nico_P | I can't find that one |
| 11:32:17 | pondlife | Change the unsigned char audiobuffer definition... |
| 11:32:31 | amiconn | petur: I'm thinking about replacing the microdrive im my Mini with a CF card (16GB or more). No final decision yet |
| 11:32:41 | petur | hehe |
| 11:32:55 | petur | and you were wondering why we were doing it.... |
| 11:32:57 | pondlife | Nico_P: In firmware/buffer.c |
| 11:33:27 | amiconn | petur: I'm still wondering. You're giving up capacity. The mini would have 4x the capacity as it has now |
| 11:34:11 | amiconn | I would also just slap in a microdrive if that would be available in hiogher capacities |
| 11:34:25 | petur | it is not about capacity, it is about future and availability, because the 50pin HDD is hard to find |
| 11:35:05 | petur | and for me, it is shock resistance when recording... |
| 11:36:14 | Nico_P | pondlife: I was referring to the MEM #define, but I guess I'll just replace it with a value |
| 11:36:34 | pondlife | I suspect MEM is in an lds somewhere |
| 11:36:42 | pondlife | But I just set that to 5MB |
| 11:37:17 | pondlife | Sorry, 4MB |
| 11:40:20 | LinusN | pondlife: try adjusting MEMORYSIZE in the generated makefile |
| 11:41:29 | pondlife | Problem is, setting MEM to <= 8 might change the behaviour of buffering.. |
| 11:41:57 | LinusN | then don't do that :-) |
| 11:42:35 | pondlife | I didn't :-) |
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| 11:45:27 | pondlife | Bagder: Could the various SVN tables on the website (last 4 weeks etc.) all have the SVN revision number added? It enables use of CTRL-F to find a revision easily. |
| 11:45:43 | pondlife | Or is that Zagor's domain? |
| 11:46:24 | * | linuxstb requests that the SVN revision link to (e.g.) http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=16149 |
| 11:46:40 | pondlife | That would be nice too |
| 11:47:11 | Zagor | pondlife: it's my job, since I modified bagders' script :) |
| 11:47:20 | Zagor | linuxstb: sure |
| 11:47:21 | pondlife | hehe, that'll teach you |
| 11:47:49 | pondlife | Nico_P: First rebuffering with SVN code and a small buffer - no problem :( |
| 11:47:59 | pondlife | I'll go back to a full size buffer |
| 11:53:42 | gevaerts | linuxstb: did you manage to test the usb error-rate on your ipods yesterday ? |
| 11:53:56 | linuxstb | gevaerts: No, but I can do that today - I'm "working from home"... |
| 11:54:29 | * | linuxstb svn updates and compiles |
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| 12:15:40 | * | GodEater notes we have our first support request from a Motorola ROKR E2 user |
| 12:17:02 | rasher | Fancy. Hard to support when we know that it's heavily patched |
| 12:17:11 | GodEater | indeed |
| 12:17:22 | GodEater | and we've not heard much from blackhawk in months |
| 12:18:51 | pondlife | Doesn't the plain SVN sim work on any SDL target now? The threading was sorted - what else needed patching? Keymap? |
| 12:24:33 | * | GodEater notes there is apparently a port of SDL to Symbian S60 |
| 12:27:34 | Bagder | the svn pages are now all using the same svnlog script |
| 12:28:02 | pondlife | Nico_P: Current SVN just failed, so the problem is still there |
| 12:28:13 | pondlife | Bagder: Thanks |
| 12:29:00 | Nico_P | Bagder: nice! |
| 12:29:29 | Nico_P | Bagder: would it be possible to detect rev numbers in commit messages, like for FS tasks? |
| 12:29:58 | Bagder | sure... |
| 12:32:34 | Zagor | Nico_P: done |
| 12:34:08 | pondlife | Bagder: One more minor suggestion - could the "since Aug 2006" page be changed to "last 12 months" ? |
| 12:34:29 | pixelma | Zagor: how do I use that (syntax)? |
| 12:34:31 | Nico_P | Zagor: when will it take effect in the "last 4 weeks" page? |
| 12:34:41 | pondlife | Seems entirely arbitrary at the moment. but I use it more than the others. |
| 12:34:45 | Zagor | Nico_P: as soon as the cronjobs update that page |
| 12:34:55 | Nico_P | how often is that? |
| 12:34:58 | pondlife | Nico_P: It's working for me |
| 12:35:09 | Zagor | pixelma: simply mention r123293 in the message and it will be linked |
| 12:35:31 | pondlife | Ah, you mean the rXXXX |
| 12:35:35 | Nico_P | yes |
| 12:35:41 | * | pondlife is slow |
| 12:35:48 | pixelma | ok, thanks |
| 12:36:10 | pondlife | Nico_P: Any luck in reproducing yet? |
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| 12:36:33 | Nico_P | pondlife: I've been busy with something else |
| 12:36:41 | pondlife | No worries |
| 12:37:19 | Zagor | Nico_P: peeking into bagder's crontab they're not built very often. but if we ask nicely maybe he'll run it manually. |
| 12:37:29 | Bagder | just did |
| 12:37:33 | Zagor | ah |
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| 12:37:47 | Nico_P | indeed :) |
| 12:37:53 | Bagder | I'll change the "since aug 1st 2006" to "last 12 months" too |
| 12:39:01 | Bagder | Zagor: do you change the name of the link on the front page? |
| 12:39:16 | Bagder | hm, the actual url should probably change too :-) |
| 12:39:58 | Zagor | since-12months.html ? |
| 12:40:05 | Bagder | sounds fine, yes |
| 12:40:13 | Zagor | updated |
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| 12:41:55 | devurandom | Yay, I've got an iBrick, it seems. :) |
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| 12:43:36 | devurandom | After the battery has emptied, it doesn't boot anymore. Doesn't even start the loading screen... |
| 12:43:44 | devurandom | s/loading/recharging/ |
| 12:43:53 | linuxstb | Tried resetting it? (MENU+SELECT) |
| 12:44:04 | devurandom | Wow... My saviour. :) |
| 12:44:16 | devurandom | Cool, thanks. |
| 12:45:34 | devurandom | What could cause this? It didn't boot on pressing menu, nor did it react on plugging into a PC or the socket (wall-). |
| 12:46:05 | devurandom | How do you call electrical sockets in the wall in english? |
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| 12:46:44 | GodEater | "electrical sockets" ? :) |
| 12:46:53 | devurandom | Ok. :) |
| 12:51:44 | devurandom | Did anyone try compiling RockBox with a GCC 4.2.3 (or even a 4.3.0_pre)? |
| 12:52:25 | devurandom | And is there interest to fix any GCC warnings? |
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| 12:55:02 | pondlife | Bagder: I'm not quite sure that "Commits since 12 months back" is good English... might just be me though. |
| 12:55:19 | pondlife | "4 weeks back" too, of course |
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| 12:55:31 | GodEater | "Commits from the last 12 months" |
| 12:55:42 | pondlife | "Commits in the past 12 months" |
| 12:55:47 | GodEater | or that |
| 12:55:47 | pondlife | too slow |
| 12:56:01 | * | devurandom votes for the last... |
| 12:56:46 | devurandom | Would "from" be correct? My feeling says no, but then I am not native anyway... |
| 12:57:07 | * | GodEater is a native english speaker and thinks it's fine |
| 12:57:11 | GodEater | but pondlife's is fine too |
| 12:57:39 | devurandom | Good. Something more I can add to my this-is-good feeling. |
| 12:57:47 | codesquid | "commits during the past 12 months" |
| 12:58:25 | desowin | can't it say 'last year' instead of '12 months'? |
| 12:58:44 | ze | 'from' and 'during' both sound somehow sloppier to me |
| 12:59:11 | GodEater | "Commits made during the past 12 months" :D |
| 12:59:25 | desowin | "commits since last year"? |
| 12:59:28 | ze | i may be more inclined to 'within' |
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| 13:00:03 | GodEater | since would normally be used with a specific date |
| 13:00:39 | GodEater | and "last year" implies the atomic year (i.e. 2007 if you're in 2008), rather than a period of one year (i.e. the previous 12 months) |
| 13:00:55 | GodEater | at least to me |
| 13:00:59 | ze | yeah |
| 13:01:06 | GodEater | other native speakers may disagree |
| 13:02:07 | pixelma | I agree as non-native speaker :) |
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| 13:02:35 | GodEater | hehe |
| 13:06:31 | linuxstb | I disagree... "last year" can mean lots of things (last 12 months, last calendar year, last financial or academic year etc) depending on context. In our context, I would take it to mean last 12 months. |
| 13:07:15 | * | linuxstb re-reads and changes his mind - "since last year" is wrong, "during last year" is right... |
| 13:07:32 | GodEater | "during the last year" would be better still |
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| 13:55:37 | amiconn | petur: Could you check the hdd type of your H10 pure? My guess is that it's a ST650211FX |
| 13:56:10 | petur | sure, but I don't have my H10 with me here... |
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| 14:25:39 | BHX | I have an 80GB iPod and I'm having some trouble with it, can anyone help? |
| 14:25:54 | dionoea | can you describe the trouble you're having? |
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| 14:27:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | LinusN: Ping! |
| 14:27:51 | BHX | sure, when i try and update the database it manages to get a certain point (usually around 1500 files) and then stops. There is still disk activity but nothing happens. I've tried leaving it for ages but it's still frozen. Also, I can see the mp3s in the File viewer but when I try to play them from there, it'll say that there is no file in the WPS. |
| 14:38:19 | LinusN | LambdaCalculus37: pong |
| 14:39:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | LinusN: Question for you: a buddy of mine has Rockbox running on his iriver H120. He called me last night saying that he's getting an "ATA -32 error" now, and Rockbox won't boot. Any advice? |
| 14:39:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | LinusN: Llorean had told me earlier you were the man to ask about this. |
| 14:40:09 | LinusN | did he by any chance use it in a damp environment? |
| 14:40:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | LinusN: It was raining this week in New York, so that may be a possibility. But he keeps his iriver in a leather keep case at all times. |
| 14:41:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | Actually, he does take it in with him to the gym all the time. |
| 14:41:51 | LinusN | anyway, he might be able to run the original firmware |
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| 14:42:29 | LinusN | rockbox has a very rigid test that exercises the ATA registers, and the -32 means that the register test fails |
| 14:42:51 | LinusN | it turns out that the ata often works just fine even when that test fails |
| 14:42:57 | BHX | dionoea? |
| 14:43:12 | LinusN | so he might be able to flash a new bootloader without the register test |
| 14:44:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | LinusN: I was thinking of flashing Bootloader v7-pre4 to his iriver so that he can have Rockbox running permanently in flash. |
| 14:44:32 | dionoea | BHX: i don't know anything about the database but other people here might. Sorry. |
| 14:44:46 | LinusN | LambdaCalculus37: i believe that also has the register test |
| 14:45:08 | BHX | dionoea: Thanks anyway :) |
| 14:45:52 | bluebrother | BHX: maybe a file has a broken tag and crashed the database. |
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| 14:46:31 | bluebrother | you could check the database screen in the debug menu and check if it's stopping at the same file all the time. If yes, try to remove that file temporarily and check if it helps |
| 14:46:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | LinusN: One other thing that I had mentioned to Llorean (and you can see this in the logs) is that he was complaining that his filesystem was not measuring his free disk space properly; under Windows it shows 7.1GB free, but under Rockbox, it shows a jumble of random characters. |
| 14:46:52 | BHX | bluebrother: I'll try that now, thanks |
| 14:47:04 | LinusN | LambdaCalculus37: that's interesting |
| 14:47:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | I thought at first that his hard drive may have been failing. |
| 14:47:15 | bluebrother | but I'm not really familiar with the database, so I can't tell you more |
| 14:47:27 | JamPSi | any news on usb support on portalplayer? |
| 14:47:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | JamPSi: gevaerts is the man to ask about progress. |
| 14:47:57 | LinusN | LambdaCalculus37: that may be because there is garbage in the fsinfo structure |
| 14:48:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | So I'll have to perform a filesystem check. |
| 14:48:33 | BHX | bluebrother: i take it's in Debug\View Database info? |
| 14:48:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | He's had that H120 since May of last year, but he doesn't own a PC of his own at all, so he takes it around to other people's PCs to get CDs ripped and into it. |
| 14:49:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | I've been about the only one helping him keep it up to date and working right. |
| 14:49:27 | bluebrother | BHX: yes. |
| 14:49:56 | BHX | bluebrother: and what am I looking for |
| 14:50:06 | BHX | bluebrother: I really appreciate the help |
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| 14:54:05 | JamPSi | LambdaCalculus37, he's always busy or something :P |
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| 14:54:36 | pixelma | LinusN, LambdaCalculus37: didn't TiMiD[FD] say he gets a ATA error -32 too with his H100 and has a special build running to circumvent this (but no other problems). I think he's mentioned it not too long ago here... |
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| 14:55:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Not sure. |
| 14:56:00 | gevaerts | JamPSi: current status is that it works well on some players, less so on others. |
| 14:57:57 | BHX | bluebrother: just restarted my iPod, check some other songs... mp3s seem to work now, m4a's and FLACs don't |
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| 14:59:31 | gevaerts | JamPSi: It looks like PP5020 works well, PP5022 has signal quality issues (we think, another possibility is that it's not CPU related but something else). That means it might work well on some USB ports but not on others. This seems to be more of a problem at high-speed. |
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| 15:00:50 | gevaerts | JamPSi: another problem is that there seems to be a bug in the flash driver on sansa that only shows when using USB (especially at high speed). This causes occasional data corruption on write. |
| 15:02:43 | gevaerts | JamPSi: third issue is vista and mac osx support. It might work, or it might not, and if it doesn't the problems might be caused by the signal quality issues I mentionned. I didn't get reports on this since my latest SCSI fixes from last night |
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| 15:02:54 | bluebrother | BHX: you could try if the files work from the file browser. |
| 15:03:01 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: starting here http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20070712#08:25:29 |
| 15:03:04 | bluebrother | but I got to leave now ... good luck |
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| 15:03:41 | * | gevaerts hopes that this summary is complete |
| 15:06:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Looks like I've got to roll up my sleeves and do the same for my friend. :) |
| 15:06:51 | pixelma | doesn't sound like "the right" solution though |
| 15:09:09 | BHX | so if i delete the file that's causing my database to crash, then re-initialize it, it should work? |
| 15:09:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | My other option was to flash bootloader V7-Pre4 to his H120 and flash Rockbox to it for good. |
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| 15:15:01 | BHX | thanks all for the help :) think it's almost fixed |
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| 15:36:47 | barrywardell | gevaerts: I just tried USB on H10 since your SCSI commit. On my mac, I still don't get the drive appering. Even worse, now when I unplug my H10, I get the mac equivalent of the BSOD |
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| 15:38:36 | * | GodEater loves the fact that these OS vendors clearly never tested their products with faulty USB devices |
| 15:38:37 | barrywardell | gevaerts: it also no longer works on linux |
| 15:39:15 | GodEater | doesn't cause a kernel panic though I hope |
| 15:40:41 | gevaerts | barrywardell: that's interesting. can you enable logf for usb_storage.c and get the output for both macosx and linux ? |
| 15:40:42 | barrywardell | gevaerts: here's my dmesg http://pastebin.com/m2614fdcb |
| 15:40:49 | barrywardell | GodEater: nope, thankfully |
| 15:42:19 | barrywardell | gevaerts: OK, enabling logf now. I'll have results in a minute |
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| 15:44:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: I performed the disk speed test and USB performance tests on my iPod video last night. |
| 15:44:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | I didn't get a chance to perform the write test on it yet, though. |
| 15:46:33 | gevaerts | barrywardell: the dmesg seems to point to general large-packet issues. Is your tree up to date? I would expect this kind of problem between r16448 and r16451 |
| 15:47:14 | GodEater | LambdaCalculus37: did you get negative numbers in the disk speed test like I did ? |
| 15:47:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Nope. Here's my results: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DiskSpeed |
| 15:48:05 | barrywardell | gevaerts: no, I just did an svn up and linux is working again now |
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| 15:49:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: Paging Mr. pondlife... |
| 15:49:15 | gevaerts | barrywardell: the issue seems to be that the controller doesn't do high speed properly if the CPU is not boosted. I moved the boosting from usb_storage to the driver, and forgot to commit the driver changes in r16448 so it wasn't boosted any more. |
| 15:49:24 | barrywardell | gevaerts: my mac still crashes on disconnect though |
| 15:49:44 | pondlife | LambdaCalculus37: Mr. pondlife at the red phone |
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| 15:50:45 | barrywardell | gevaerts: here's the logfdump with my mac http://pastebin.com/m5555a0a3 |
| 15:50:46 | gevaerts | barrywardell: can you send logf and dmesg output for that (or is it crashed too hard for that ?) |
| 15:51:37 | barrywardell | I get the "hold power button to shut down" screen on my mac so too far gone for dmesg |
| 15:51:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: r16452 is still misbehaving with playing albums. |
| 15:51:50 | pondlife | Indeed it is |
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| 15:52:01 | pondlife | Did you see my FlySpray update? |
| 15:52:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | Currently, I'm listening to one album, only to have it jump five tracks ahead after Track 5 was over. |
| 15:52:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: No, not yet. |
| 15:52:42 | pondlife | I'm certain it's r16425 that broke it |
| 15:52:51 | pondlife | I'm far from certain why! |
| 15:52:54 | barrywardell | gevaerts: I can get a crash report when I start up again though |
| 15:53:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: What was the FS# again? |
| 15:53:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | I forgot to set it to notify me of changes. :) |
| 15:53:34 | * | gevaerts looks stuff up in the SCSI specs |
| 15:53:41 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8455 |
| 15:53:50 | barrywardell | gevaerts: http://pastebin.com/m5a577cd6 |
| 15:54:13 | barrywardell | gevaerts: the problem definitely started with r16448 |
| 15:54:21 | * | barrywardell has got to go now |
| 15:55:23 | gevaerts | barrywardell: if you have some time, try removing the usb_drv_stall() on line 571 in usb_storage.c |
| 15:55:45 | barrywardell | don't have time now, but I will do when i get a chance |
| 15:55:59 | gevaerts | ok |
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| 15:57:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: Okay, now I'll get any future notifications with FS #8455. |
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| 16:06:44 | BigBambi | Llorean: I didn't know the forum software had a (dubious) sense of humour :) |
| 16:06:57 | BigBambi | Check out my current post count: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1525 |
| 16:07:08 | * | BigBambi considers retiring |
| 16:07:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | BigBambi: d00Dz, U r 2 l337! :P |
| 16:08:00 | BigBambi | I don't want to make any more posts now |
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| 16:19:49 | pixelma | BigBambi: leet! :) |
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| 16:22:08 | BigBambi | pixelma: Hell yes :) |
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| 16:28:29 | low_light | gevaerts: since you like trying risky things on you c240, perhaps you want to experiment with using the dma engine for sd read/writes? |
| 16:28:47 | low_light | I have the disassembly |
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| 16:33:46 | gevaerts | low_light: "like" might not be the right word, but I'm confident that I can restore it. I'm not good (read: bad) at reading assembly though. |
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| 16:40:55 | * | gevaerts is angry at gcc |
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| 16:42:15 | gevaerts | Is there a way to force a struct to be packed, two-byte aligned (so the shorts inside work properly) without having sizeof() round up ? |
| 16:44:45 | Nico_P | other than with the packed attribute? |
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| 16:45:31 | gevaerts | They now have __attribute__ ((packed,aligned(2)));, and this makes sizeof() return 10 for what is actually a 9-byte struct |
| 16:46:05 | Domonoky | if you force a struct to be xxx-aligned, the size of it will go up, because there are empty spaces in the struct.. so not much you can do... (only reordering the struct can help) |
| 16:46:19 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 16:46:39 | amiconn | The struct is packed internally. It's just padded at the end |
| 16:46:55 | amiconn | And gcc spmetimes *is* nasty |
| 16:47:21 | gevaerts | Domonoky: the USB structs (where I have the problem) are aligned properly ( I guess the spec writers thought of this issue), but if I don't ask gcc tho align them it places them (sometimes) at odd addresses. |
| 16:48:25 | amiconn | Well, you could use the 'unaligned' attribute instead of aligning them, but that increases code size and decreases performance |
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| 16:48:35 | * | gevaerts could add a "fake" char end_of_struct to them and use offsetof(), but that's as nasty as what gcc does |
| 16:49:21 | amiconn | Note that I didn't try 'unaligned' so far. Maybe another gcc bug will pop up... |
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| 16:49:40 | amiconn | (wouldn't surprise me) |
| 16:50:06 | gevaerts | amiconn: so do I just put __attribute__ ((packed,unaligned)) there ? |
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| 16:52:50 | amiconn | hmm, it's not in the docs |
| 16:53:07 | * | amiconn is trying to remember where he read about 'unaligned'.... |
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| 16:53:38 | gevaerts | That gives warning: ‘unaligned’ attribute directive ignored |
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| 16:56:10 | pondlife | LambdaCalculus37: Could you try a playback patch? |
| 16:56:21 | pondlife | LambdaCalculus37: http://www.pastebin.ca/923453 |
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| 16:58:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: I'll set my laptop up at my lunchtime and try it out. That'll be around 12:30 PM GMT -5. |
| 16:59:06 | pondlife | OK, whenever |
| 16:59:16 | pondlife | I'll check the logs |
| 16:59:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | My SVN table is at r16452. Will the patch still apply? |
| 16:59:49 | pondlife | Not sure, it's against 16454 |
| 16:59:59 | amiconn | gevaerts: Iiuc, doing what you want is possible, but somewhat complicated |
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| 17:01:04 | gevaerts | amiconn: maybe I can put the __attribute__(aligned(2)) in the variable declaration and use sizeof(struct whatever) |
| 17:01:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: I'll try it. If not, I'll check out r16454 from the trunk and try it tonight. The diff is for /apps/plugins/SOURCES, correct? |
| 17:01:31 | pondlife | Just /apps |
| 17:01:43 | pondlife | Oops |
| 17:01:47 | amiconn | What you need to do (as I understand it): * remove the aligned(2) from those structs. * Wherever a 'short' or 'int' element of these structs is accessed via a pointer, that pointer has to be declared with the __packed modifier (not attribute) |
| 17:01:50 | pondlife | I accidentally enabled test_disk ! |
| 17:02:07 | amiconn | gevaerts: That should work too... |
| 17:02:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: Don't worry about it. :) |
| 17:02:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | I've already used test_disk to get some disk speed measurements for GodEater and barrywardell. |
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| 17:02:48 | pondlife | Well, the patch might not apply then...! |
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| 17:03:29 | amiconn | gevaerts: E.g. if "usb_string_iSerial" is unaligned, you would need to declare "p" within "set_serial_descriptor()" as: |
| 17:03:33 | low_light | gevaerts: I added a comment to FS #8663 with my dma read/write disassembly (no guarantee that it's correct) |
| 17:03:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: Want to fix it quickly? |
| 17:03:46 | amiconn | __packed short* p = ... |
| 17:04:00 | pondlife | Just chop the first bit off when you paste... |
| 17:04:18 | pondlife | It's the /apps/playback.c bit you want |
| 17:04:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | Start from line 11 then, am I correct? |
| 17:04:55 | * | amiconn has most test_* plugins enabled in all his builds |
| 17:05:07 | pondlife | LambdaCalculus37: Unlucky line 13 |
| 17:05:38 | pondlife | http://www.pastebin.ca/923462 |
| 17:05:52 | * | pondlife forgot you could edit inside pastebin |
| 17:07:12 | gevaerts | amiconn: I guess both ways are equaly error-prone (i.e. it's equally easy to forget one variable somewhere). I'll try my idea first. |
| 17:07:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: Got it. Let me go fetch a copy of Notepad2. |
| 17:07:28 | * | LambdaCalculus37 is NOT using Notepad to copy/paste the patch |
| 17:07:33 | pondlife | Wordpad? |
| 17:07:45 | pondlife | That will do the line-endings correctly, I believe |
| 17:07:58 | amiconn | No it won't |
| 17:08:07 | pondlife | Ah, no.. just adding them |
| 17:08:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: Already tried Wordpad. Doesn't work. |
| 17:08:18 | amiconn | It can read lf-only, but will convert to crlf when saving |
| 17:08:21 | pondlife | dos2unix -U |
| 17:08:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: This is a work PC, so my options are pretty limited. |
| 17:08:45 | * | amiconn recommends ConTEXT or Notepad++ |
| 17:09:05 | GodEater | Domonoky: around ? |
| 17:09:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: I was thinking of Notepad2 because it's easy to conceal from the "idiots" here at my job. |
| 17:09:32 | * | Domonoky blinks... :-) |
| 17:09:36 | pondlife | Wordpad has "Text Document" and "Text Document - MS-DOS Format" as save options. Wonder what the difference is |
| 17:09:49 | GodEater | Domonoky: did you see I was having problems with rbutil this morning ? |
| 17:09:59 | scorche|sh | LambdaCalculus37: notepad2 is nice and very lightweight :) |
| 17:10:00 | pondlife | Notepad++ is best though, IMHO |
| 17:10:07 | Domonoky | nope... *goes to the logs*... |
| 17:10:09 | amiconn | Codepage, most probably |
| 17:10:13 | GodEater | Domonoky: don't bother |
| 17:10:15 | * | gevaerts doesn't want anything that isn't vi-based |
| 17:10:16 | GodEater | I didn't go into detail |
| 17:10:27 | GodEater | is the idea that you ALWAYS run rbutil as root ? |
| 17:10:41 | GodEater | (or Administrator if in Windows) |
| 17:10:41 | scorche|sh | notepad++ is a bit better for more complex processes, but if you want a simple notepad without much fluff, go with notepad2 :) |
| 17:11:08 | Domonoky | GodEater: thats not really the idea, but might be required for ipod/sansapatcher.. |
| 17:11:26 | GodEater | Domonoky: then I'm stumped |
| 17:11:39 | GodEater | everytime I run rbutil up, it says "Invalid configuration" |
| 17:11:44 | GodEater | and launches the config window |
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| 17:11:56 | GodEater | which I then alter to meet my system's parameters |
| 17:11:59 | GodEater | click ok |
| 17:12:12 | GodEater | and the "Invalid configuration" box just pops straight back up again |
| 17:12:24 | Domonoky | it seams it cant create the user settings.. :-/ |
| 17:12:34 | GodEater | I don't understand why |
| 17:13:15 | Domonoky | i already heard others report this, but i dont know why this should fail.. |
| 17:13:35 | GodEater | annoyingly of course - I've just run it now, and it came up fine |
| 17:13:38 | GodEater | grrrr |
| 17:13:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: Got the code. To verify, this is patching the SOURCES file, right? |
| 17:13:49 | pondlife | No |
| 17:13:53 | pondlife | playback.c |
| 17:15:20 | * | LambdaCalculus37 makes the patch playback.diff |
| 17:15:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: If the patch works, want me to post it to the tracker? |
| 17:16:04 | pondlife | No |
| 17:16:12 | pondlife | If it works I'll probably just commit it |
| 17:16:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | Okay. |
| 17:16:32 | pondlife | The chance is that it won't make any difference ;) |
| 17:17:56 | Domonoky | GodEater: i just found a way to repoduze the problem... *goes investigating* |
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| 17:18:06 | GodEater | good luck |
| 17:18:41 | pixelma | pondlife: want me to test too? |
| 17:19:08 | pondlife | Please, if you could. It's slow work the way I'm testing. |
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| 17:19:43 | pondlife | Check that manual skipping during buffering doesn't get confused |
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| 17:25:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: Yes, sir! :) |
| 17:25:07 | Domonoky | GodEater: did you really set the configuration correctly before ? for example if you only select a device and forget the mountpoint, it will not be happy with your config.. |
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| 17:26:46 | GodEater | Domonoky: I both set the device, the mountpoint, checked no proxy was set... |
| 17:26:55 | GodEater | I went through ALL the config tabs to make sure they were right. |
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| 17:27:48 | pondlife | LambdaCalculus37, pixelma: Don't worry.. the patch makes no difference! |
| 17:27:49 | Domonoky | hm.. then i cant really reproduce it.. :-/ |
| 17:29:13 | GodEater | Domonoky: if I come up with a recipe for it, I'll let you know |
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| 17:49:47 | pixelma | pondlife: confirmed :\ |
| 17:50:35 | pondlife | It was slightly neater code... |
| 17:51:08 | pondlife | I'm trying something else now, but won't waste your time until I've done a play through |
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| 17:57:10 | gevaerts | low_light: looks like nice weekend project. I fear that my assembly knowledge is still too low to really have a good chance at success though, so I won't mind if someone else gets to it first (I can still do tests in that case of course) |
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| 17:58:30 | DA-Laptop | Hello... the dock that came with the gigabeatf, is it usable for anything when running rockbox? |
| 17:58:38 | DA-Laptop | Or if not, is there any work being done to make it usable? |
| 17:59:58 | Beta2K | In what respect? |
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| 18:00:24 | Beta2K | It charges mine :) |
| 18:00:42 | Beta2K | The line-out works |
| 18:01:05 | Beta2K | Some mods and you can get digital output from it |
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| 18:01:54 | DA-Laptop | I normally just use USB for charging |
| 18:01:55 | Beta2K | You could mod it to support USB2 |
| 18:02:03 | DA-Laptop | Since I don't have the charger |
| 18:02:11 | DA-Laptop | the guy I bought it from on ebay didn't send a charger |
| 18:02:37 | Beta2K | So you don't have the power supply for the dock? |
| 18:02:52 | DA-Laptop | nope. |
| 18:03:05 | DA-Laptop | I thought maybe it could run on USB power. |
| 18:03:11 | Beta2K | Then you can't use the dock |
| 18:03:18 | DA-Laptop | mkay. |
| 18:03:23 | DA-Laptop | Then I'll throw it away. |
| 18:03:23 | Beta2K | Unfortunately no... :( |
| 18:03:43 | Beta2K | You can get another power supply for it |
| 18:03:45 | DA-Laptop | It's not like it's very important for me... USB does the trick, generally speaking. |
| 18:03:51 | gevaerts | DA-Laptop: Can't it use some generic power brick ? |
| 18:03:58 | Beta2K | But it needs the PS to run |
| 18:04:00 | DA-Laptop | gevaerts: No idea |
| 18:04:09 | DA-Laptop | It doesn't say voltage on it |
| 18:04:24 | Beta2K | one sec I'll tell you... |
| 18:04:54 | DA-Laptop | Meh... I don't actually need another wall wart... I just thought it'd be nice if there was something special I could use it for, cleaning out old crap y'see, and came across it. |
| 18:05:33 | DA-Laptop | If any of you want it, I can send it to ya.. just pay the shipping. :P |
| 18:06:51 | gevaerts | DA-Laptop: I wouldn't throw it away if I were you. From what I've heard, some devices don't charge properly over USB if the battery is really flat or something like that. I don't know if the gigabeat will have that kind of problem, but... |
| 18:07:23 | Beta2K | 5v regulated supply |
| 18:07:37 | Beta2K | 3amp (seems overkill) |
| 18:07:45 | Beta2K | center pin posative |
| 18:07:47 | DA-Laptop | gevaerts: fine, I'll keep it, but I don't see any need for it |
| 18:08:46 | Beta2K | The other use for the dock is if you have any files you put on the gigabeat with the OF you need to dock to get them bacl |
| 18:08:48 | Beta2K | back |
| 18:09:57 | DA-Laptop | OF? |
| 18:10:06 | Beta2K | original firmware |
| 18:10:15 | * | gevaerts is a packrat when it comes to this kind of thing |
| 18:10:29 | DA-Laptop | gevaerts: |
| 18:10:30 | DA-Laptop | Same here |
| 18:10:36 | DA-Laptop | But I finally got around to cleaning out old shite |
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| 18:10:48 | Beta2K | hehehe |
| 18:10:50 | DA-Laptop | Dumped tonnes of old shite |
| 18:11:06 | Beta2K | I still have C64's, TRS80' |
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| 18:11:20 | DA-Laptop | hehe |
| 18:11:26 | Beta2K | s, CoCo's, 8088, 286, 386 stuff |
| 18:11:38 | Beta2K | Monitors to go with them |
| 18:11:48 | Beta2K | Keyboards, multi-function cards |
| 18:11:54 | Beta2K | All kinds of RAM |
| 18:12:07 | Beta2K | 360k 5.25" disk drives |
| 18:12:08 | Domonoky | this old hardware is nice, but please stay on topic.. |
| 18:12:22 | * | gevaerts doesn't use the spectrum emulator in rockbox because he has a real one |
| 18:12:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | Beta2K: Unless you're porting Rockbox to them, stay on topic. |
| 18:12:39 | Beta2K | Sorry |
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| 18:13:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Still here? |
| 18:14:20 | pixelma | yes |
| 18:14:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | Did pondlife's patch work? |
| 18:15:00 | pondlife | No |
| 18:15:14 | pondlife | I've got a new one that looks better though |
| 18:15:22 | pixelma | it didn't (also in the logs ;) ) |
| 18:15:22 | pondlife | Needs more testing yet here... |
| 18:16:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Sorry, our network borked on us, and CGI:IRC doesn't even kindly inform me of a disconnection. ;) |
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| 18:18:40 | Buschel | amiconn: you've searched for me (yesterday)? |
| 18:20:38 | amiconn | I wanted to tell you that setting DCDC2 in pcf50605.c doesn't have any effect |
| 18:21:08 | amiconn | There is only one DC-DC converter that is configured using DCDC1..DCDC4 |
| 18:21:12 | Buschel | i know. just kept it for documentation. |
| 18:21:31 | amiconn | DCDC1 and DCDC2 just hold 2 different configurations for it |
| 18:21:44 | amiconn | Which one is actually used is determined by a bit in DCDC4 |
| 18:21:46 | Buschel | yes, you can configure the pcf to switch between both voltages |
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| 18:22:28 | amiconn | So line 133 should be removed, as it does effectively nothing |
| 18:24:03 | pondlife | LambdaCalculus37, pixelma: http://www.pastebin.ca/923552 fixes my problem on natural playback, but probably breaks manual skipping (and auto-dir change) badly.... |
| 18:24:12 | pondlife | I've got to go now, will look more later |
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| 18:25:18 | Buschel | amiconn: then you could also remove 128, 132 and 136. these configure the registers to the default −− unchanged voltages. at least for my 5.5G |
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| 18:26:30 | amiconn | I think those should stay. Setting defaults will become useful for true cold booting (if we ever manage to do that on PP) |
| 18:27:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: I'm going to try the new patch shortly. It might break playlists for me, since I have playlists that select from multiple albums. |
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| 18:36:45 | Beta2K | Thinking of boot up, does anyone know why dual-boot on the Gigabeat doesn't work? |
| 18:37:29 | Beta2K | Is it a hardware limitation, or simply not codded yet, or broken at some point? |
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| 18:41:43 | amiconn | Hmm, the TEA1211 cannot be connected to the pp i2c bus in the ipods |
| 18:42:12 | amiconn | It has the same i2c address as the pcf50605 |
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| 18:46:44 | kkurbjun | Beta2K: can you create a bug report for doom in the tracker |
| 18:47:02 | kkurbjun | are you using the official build, or something else? |
| 18:47:04 | Beta2K | I added to an existing one |
| 18:47:26 | Beta2K | It seems to be a issue with all hardware |
| 18:48:12 | kkurbjun | what build are you using? |
| 18:48:20 | kkurbjun | and are there any patches? |
| 18:48:32 | kkurbjun | also, what version of doom are you running? |
| 18:49:00 | BigBambi | Beta2K: Dual boot on gigabeat is pointless |
| 18:49:14 | kkurbjun | i.e shareware, doom1, doom2, freedoom... |
| 18:49:28 | BigBambi | Seeing as the OF can't use music transfered without Gigabeat room, and rockbox can't use music transferred via gigabeat room |
| 18:49:40 | * | BigBambi just realised he is forgetting USB OTG |
| 18:49:46 | Beta2K | B#8641 is the tracker # |
| 18:49:58 | Beta2K | I'm back in the OF right now to grab my music from it |
| 18:50:07 | BigBambi | So not *quite* pointless |
| 18:50:25 | kkurbjun | Beta2K: I saw that, but I want to know your particular use case |
| 18:50:30 | Beta2K | I had just downloaded RB last night and Doom is Doom II |
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| 18:50:40 | kkurbjun | ok, great |
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| 18:51:02 | kkurbjun | and you downloaded it from the main build area, or an unofficial build from teh forums? |
| 18:51:27 | kkurbjun | btw, dual boot is just not coded yet, it's not a hardware limitation |
| 18:51:52 | kkurbjun | that may come in the future once flash booting is complete for the gigabeat |
| 18:52:03 | Beta2K | I downloaded it via the auto-installer |
| 18:52:29 | kkurbjun | ok, thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for |
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| 18:53:22 | Beta2K | Flash booting as in removing the linux loader all together? |
| 18:53:23 | kkurbjun | Beta2K, I just tried it on my gigabeat, no crash.. |
| 18:53:33 | Beta2K | Did you try it in 90deg rotation? |
| 18:53:37 | kkurbjun | yep |
| 18:53:46 | kkurbjun | is this in the menu that you get the crash? |
| 18:53:52 | Beta2K | Sometimes |
| 18:53:57 | Beta2K | Altho it takes longer at the menu |
| 18:54:04 | Beta2K | Crashes easier in teh game |
| 18:54:45 | Beta2K | Are you setting 90deg rotation in Doom or via the RB patch? |
| 18:55:52 | kkurbjun | 90 rotation in doom |
| 18:55:55 | kkurbjun | not the patch |
| 18:55:55 | Beta2K | Ok |
| 18:55:57 | Beta2K | Weird |
| 18:56:22 | Beta2K | Once I get my music back off mine I'll re-load RB and play with it some more |
| 18:56:47 | kkurbjun | yeah, if you can get an exact account of all settings that could be helpful in reproducing the problem |
| 18:57:09 | kkurbjun | also the default.dfg file |
| 18:57:47 | kkurbjun | settings in doom that is |
| 18:57:57 | Beta2K | Ok |
| 18:57:59 | kkurbjun | I'm not too concerned about the other settings in rockbox |
| 18:58:30 | kkurbjun | the flash booting would completely replace the linux loader |
| 18:58:33 | kkurbjun | initially |
| 18:59:05 | Beta2K | cool |
| 18:59:05 | kkurbjun | but it can also make it easier to use the existing linux loader |
| 18:59:21 | kkurbjun | I should say it does currently replace the linux loader completely now |
| 18:59:26 | kkurbjun | rather than will |
| 18:59:39 | Beta2K | Still in testing I assume? |
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| 19:00:42 | kkurbjun | yes, right now it's using quite a bit of power when the gigabeat is shutdown, so some of the hardware is still not being setup right - some special hardware is needed in case there are problems since a bad flash will brick the gigabeat without it |
| 19:01:24 | Beta2K | Will any JTAG interface work, or does the Gigabeat require something special? |
| 19:01:45 | kkurbjun | any JTAG interface |
| 19:01:52 | kkurbjun | I used a Xilinx Parallel III |
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| 19:02:14 | kkurbjun | there are some better ones that support some of the extrra control signals on the ARM procesors |
| 19:02:27 | kkurbjun | but you can get by fine with a basic cable |
| 19:03:01 | Beta2K | Hum |
| 19:03:21 | Beta2K | I only came across RB last night but it's peaked my interest |
| 19:03:30 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: for me the patch also fixes usual playback but a manual track skip results in skipping 2 songs if it has to rebuffer... |
| 19:03:50 | Beta2K | Getting the functionality out of my gigabeat that I've always wanted it rather attractive |
| 19:04:18 | Beta2K | is |
| 19:04:24 | kkurbjun | Beta2k there is a document on it here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFJTAG |
| 19:04:36 | kkurbjun | if you are interested in it I would be glad to help |
| 19:04:54 | kkurbjun | it would be nice to have someone else that can to some real hardware debugging |
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| 19:05:34 | Beta2K | Cool :) |
| 19:06:14 | Beta2K | My first step right now is getting Apache updated on my machine so I can get SVN built and installed so I can download the tree and build a cross-compiler... :) |
| 19:06:14 | kkurbjun | I have the .gdbinit setup for it too which I haven't put in there yet if you decide to give it a shot |
| 19:06:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Which platform did you try it on? |
| 19:06:36 | pixelma | my c250 |
| 19:07:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | I tried it on my iPod video. Album playback works, as long as I don't try to skip tracks. If I do, it'll start jumping further than it should. |
| 19:08:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | Gotta do something. Be back soon. |
| 19:08:41 | kkurbjun | beta2k, if you have questions my email is in the wiki, or you can pm me on the forums |
| 19:08:45 | kkurbjun | I have to go |
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| 19:50:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: Ping! |
| 19:51:13 | * | LambdaCalculus37 noticed that plugging his iPod video into its wall charger made it think it was actually plugged into a PC |
| 19:52:00 | * | gevaerts wouldn't see the differende either |
| 19:53:16 | gevaerts | I'll think about how to solve this. Maybe get out of usb mode if no actual connection is made in a certain time ? |
| 19:53:37 | gevaerts | In the meantime, holding "POWER_BUTTON" (whatever that is on ipod) should help |
| 19:53:40 | amiconn | Haha: LDR R7, =0x1337BEEF |
| 19:53:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: That would work. |
| 19:54:13 | * | amiconn is disassembling diskmode a bit more |
| 19:54:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | MENU+SELECT is power-on on the iPods, so holding MENU alone would work. |
| 19:54:23 | gevaerts | amiconn: so this one isn't dead I guess |
| 19:54:39 | desowin | heh, I've only saw 0xDEADBEEF so far, not of the 1337 one ;) |
| 19:54:50 | * | LambdaCalculus37 would like a little 0x1337BEEF, medium rare, please. :P |
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| 19:55:56 | amiconn | There are other nice constants in there, e.g. 0xFACE0000 |
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| 19:57:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Is this from iPod Diskmode? |
| 19:57:32 | amiconn | yes |
| 19:57:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | Someone at Apple was having fun, weren't they? :) |
| 19:58:56 | gevaerts | So what do you pick if you need a magic number ? I would go for an easy to remember one any time |
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| 20:00:06 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: orders for 1337BEEF go to BigBambi ;) (though not so 1337 anymore) |
| 20:00:21 | BigBambi | Sadly I am no longer 1337 |
| 20:00:36 | BigBambi | Although if it helps I can go and delete one of my posts :) |
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| 20:21:56 | gevaerts | The changelog pages linked to from http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi seem to be empty for today's commits |
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| 20:34:42 | gevaerts | Can Vista and Mac OSX people test current svn (r16457) USB mass storage support ? If it seems slow, if possible try again on a different USB port or behind a hub (to avoid the known signal quality issues). Main goal is to test if the SCSI changes improve things |
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| 20:35:58 | DrKralle | Hey here Rocks :) www.libertyradio.de Libertymusik from Germany :-) |
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| 20:42:48 | amiconn | pfft |
| 20:43:31 | codesquid | gevaerts, I can try it on OS X in a while |
| 20:45:32 | gevaerts | codesquid: What version of OSX ? And did you already try earlier ? (just collecting data...) |
| 20:46:10 | codesquid | 10.5.2, not tried on OS X before. I only compile and test my programs on it, I don't actually like using OS X much ;) |
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| 20:47:52 | gevaerts | OK. I think barrywardell uses 10.5 as well, and the previous versions didn't work for him (they crashed the mac). I hope it's fixed with this one |
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| 20:48:24 | codesquid | then OS X is broken if it crashes |
| 20:48:48 | * | gevaerts is proud to have crashed both osx and vista remotely without even running code on them |
| 20:48:56 | codesquid | haha |
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| 20:52:45 | fyrestorm | gevaerts: willing to try |
| 20:53:03 | fyrestorm | just tell me what i need to edit and i will compile myself |
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| 20:54:47 | gevaerts | fyrestorm: If you have an svn checkout ready, just update, edit the Makefile to change the EXTRA_DEFINES line to "export EXTRA_DEFINES=-DUSE_ROCKBOX_USB -DUSE_HIGH_SPEED" and compile (run make clean first, these makefile changes aren't picked up automatically) |
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| 20:57:04 | codesquid | gevaerts, small bug. If I turn on my sansa by plugging in the cable, it boots and displays the USB screen. But it doesn't load the background. |
| 20:58:36 | gevaerts | codesquid: that actually happens before the filesystem is mounted. Also you might notice that the sd card doesn't seem to work yet then (it works if you plug in after booting) |
| 20:59:01 | codesquid | ok |
| 20:59:12 | Beta2K | I have 10.4 and 10.3 boxes available if you wish anything tested on them |
| 20:59:28 | fyrestorm | gevaerts |
| 20:59:30 | fyrestorm | err |
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| 20:59:34 | fyrestorm | will do that in a minute |
| 20:59:39 | fyrestorm | thats what i wanted to say :D |
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| 20:59:57 | gevaerts | Beta2K: what player do you have ? |
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| 21:00:03 | Beta2K | Gigabeat F |
| 21:00:18 | Beta2K | I supose you're testing with iPods? :) |
| 21:01:18 | codesquid | gevaerts, pluggin in the cable on OS X triggered the USB screen on my sansa, but OS X did not show any volumes |
| 21:01:22 | gevaerts | iPods, sansas and iriver H10. Gigabeat F does USB differently (don't ask me exactly how), so it's not affected by this |
| 21:01:36 | codesquid | dmesg had some error messages: |
| 21:01:41 | Beta2K | Gigabeat has a ARM CPU, the others have PP CPU's |
| 21:02:07 | codesquid | "The IOUSBFamily is having trouble enumerating a USB device that has been pluggin in. It will keep retrying ..." |
| 21:02:28 | codesquid | and then several "Found a transation past the completion deadline on bus 0x3d, timing out!" |
| 21:02:34 | gevaerts | codesquid: That could be a signal quality issue. Hard to be sure |
| 21:02:38 | codesquid | after pulling the cable OS X prompted me to reboot |
| 21:03:16 | gevaerts | codesquid: ok, so it's still not fixed. This was with r16457 ? |
| 21:03:27 | codesquid | yes |
| 21:03:59 | gevaerts | Can you try doing a logf build and enabling logf for usb_storage.c ? |
| 21:05:01 | gevaerts | codesquid: also, do you have a USB hub available ? It might change the behaviour |
| 21:05:06 | codesquid | sure, if you explain me how to do that |
| 21:05:11 | codesquid | sorry, don't have an USB hub |
| 21:06:42 | gevaerts | codesquid: when running tools/configure, choose (A)dvanced, then (L)ogf (press enter twice there), and then edit firmware/usbstack/usb_storage.c to remove the comment markers before #define LOGF_ENABLE (so the define is used) |
| 21:07:06 | gevaerts | codesquid: You'll need to run make clean I guess |
| 21:07:22 | fyrestorm | compiling |
| 21:07:29 | fyrestorm | for ipod vid :D |
| 21:08:03 | codesquid | gevaerts, it's compiling |
| 21:08:13 | gevaerts | After that, you'll get two extra items in the debug menu, logf and logf_dump. Choose logf_dump after trying the connection. This will dump the output to .rockbox/logf.txt |
| 21:08:36 | fyrestorm | gevaerts: when this is done compiling what exactly am i testing |
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| 21:09:33 | fyrestorm | nevermind |
| 21:09:38 | fyrestorm | i scrolled up |
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| 21:10:12 | BigBambi | Beta2K: The portalplayer ships contain a dual-arm core... |
| 21:10:17 | BigBambi | s/ships/chips |
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| 21:10:51 | * | gevaerts assumes portalplayer ships contain a huge amount of arm cores, nicely stacked |
| 21:10:57 | BigBambi | hehe |
| 21:12:54 | faemir | Anyone know when jpeg and or png suppor for album art will occur? |
| 21:12:58 | faemir | support * |
| 21:13:02 | BigBambi | when someone writes it |
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| 21:13:57 | faemir | BigBambi: well that's the obvious answer, but can you elaborate? Or is that all that can be said... |
| 21:14:02 | BigBambi | No |
| 21:14:13 | BigBambi | If some (that could be you) writes it, then it will be done |
| 21:14:34 | BigBambi | People are volunteers who work on what they want in their spare time |
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| 21:15:20 | petur | amiconn: my H10 5GB reports the disk indeed as ST650211FX - want me to open it to check the connector? |
| 21:15:50 | amiconn | FX == F-FLEX |
| 21:15:55 | faemir | BigBambi: anything else obvious you want to state? |
| 21:16:01 | amiconn | No need to open it |
| 21:16:14 | petur | ok |
| 21:16:20 | BigBambi | faemir: You asked the question, I answered it. If it were that obvious an answer, why ask? |
| 21:16:42 | amiconn | My guess is then that the H10 5GB (non-pure) contains the same disk |
| 21:16:59 | faemir | BigBambi: because it may not have had that answer. It may have been 'Yeh, x is currently working on it but it's not quite there yet' or something else. |
| 21:17:14 | * | amiconn edits wiki |
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| 21:17:20 | BigBambi | Sure, but the answer is, no-one is, and if someone does it will be done |
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| 21:17:54 | petur | amiconn: the H10 5GB pure was already in the wiki... |
| 21:17:55 | * | BigBambi thinks when someone does heavily implies no-one is, but sorry if it wasn't clear |
| 21:18:37 | amiconn | petur: Yes, but it just stated "Hitachi Microdrive" instead of the exact type |
| 21:18:50 | amiconn | s/Hitachi/Seagate/ |
| 21:19:06 | petur | not on the copy I'm watching |
| 21:19:23 | faemir | BigBambi: well saying that instead would of been just as good as your answer, and less arrogant sounding. But thankyou anyway. |
| 21:19:25 | petur | H10 pure 5GB Seagate Flex Connector 45-way 5mm ST650211FX |
| 21:19:43 | BigBambi | faemir: It was not my intention to sound arrogant, but take it as you will |
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| 21:20:25 | * | petur spots the spot amiconn is talking about |
| 21:20:29 | faemir | BigBambi: I don't suppose that you know whether there has been battery improvements to ipods recently? My 30gb video seems to be getting longer, though it may be my imagination. |
| 21:20:49 | BigBambi | faemir: How recently? There certainly have been improvements |
| 21:20:55 | * | BigBambi goes to double check when |
| 21:21:03 | faemir | BigBambi: I dunno, say since november? |
| 21:21:05 | amiconn | petur: Where is that? |
| 21:21:14 | BigBambi | faemir: Yes, there have been since then :) |
| 21:21:27 | faemir | Oh and whoever thought of the gui installer thing is a frickin genius. |
| 21:21:33 | petur | the drive is mentioned twice, once in the middle of the page, once at the end |
| 21:21:49 | BigBambi | I haven't used rbutil myself, but think it is a very welcome addition |
| 21:21:58 | petur | aha, the middle section is 1.8" drives |
| 21:22:02 | krazykit | faemir, well, rbutil has been around for awhile, but the newer (qt) version has really improved of late. |
| 21:22:45 | petur | amiconn: 1.8" drives -> iriver |
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| 21:22:59 | petur | is wrong.... |
| 21:23:18 | amiconn | Yes, very |
| 21:23:24 | faemir | krazykit: cool, it was just really really nice to just click a single button to install the bootloader and stuff this time, not that I'm a stranger to terminal, but I'm just lazy. And it's nice for those who are not wanting to do complex stuff. |
| 21:23:38 | BigBambi | yep, tis good alright |
| 21:23:45 | fyrestorm | damn it takes me 20 minutes to compile with cygwin |
| 21:24:07 | faemir | Now all I need to know is why one of my albums plays fine on my pc but on my ipod it skips. |
| 21:24:20 | BigBambi | codec/bitrate/etc? |
| 21:24:23 | faemir | I mean it'll get like 2 minutes into the song then go to the next |
| 21:24:26 | fyrestorm | faemir: codec |
| 21:24:41 | faemir | it's an ogg, can't remember bitrate |
| 21:24:58 | BigBambi | player? |
| 21:25:08 | faemir | Does rockbox mind very very long id3 info? |
| 21:25:10 | faemir | player? |
| 21:25:16 | BigBambi | What target? |
| 21:25:23 | scorche|sh | fyrestorm: cygwin is slooow |
| 21:25:26 | BigBambi | iPod, iriver, sansa, which model etc |
| 21:25:27 | fyrestorm | yeah scorche |
| 21:25:33 | fyrestorm | real slow |
| 21:25:34 | faemir | oh right >_< |
| 21:25:38 | faemir | ipod 30gb video |
| 21:25:41 | fyrestorm | but i learned how to do patches and everything |
| 21:25:44 | BigBambi | ogg should be fine then |
| 21:25:50 | fyrestorm | from the wiki page about it |
| 21:26:01 | fyrestorm | so i guess the same applies to the vmware package |
| 21:26:12 | BigBambi | faemir: Was the id3 question separate? As ogg should have vorbis comments |
| 21:26:21 | faemir | it's seperate |
| 21:26:38 | BigBambi | Yes, I think there is a limit on length of tag |
| 21:26:51 | faemir | Well it fits in the tag on my pc |
| 21:27:02 | BigBambi | But I can't remember what it is off the top of my head - try searching the forum, it has come up there |
| 21:27:07 | faemir | Sure |
| 21:27:14 | faemir | I might just shorten the album name :P |
| 21:27:32 | BigBambi | It is for certain codec(s) only, and due to the why rockbox parses the tag |
| 21:27:41 | BigBambi | s/why/way |
| 21:27:55 | faemir | The tag for album is: Good Apollo I'm Burning Star IV, Vol.1: From Fear Through the Eyes of Madness |
| 21:28:03 | faemir | That too long you think? XD |
| 21:28:11 | BigBambi | It is the overall length I think that metters |
| 21:28:15 | BigBambi | damn it |
| 21:28:18 | BigBambi | *matters |
| 21:28:26 | faemir | Oh alright. |
| 21:28:39 | BigBambi | But I'm not 100% |
| 21:28:45 | BigBambi | just nearly :) |
| 21:29:12 | faemir | Also, I'm currently reusing my ipod database [ :( ] but rockbox has picked up multiple tracks on lots of the albums while the official firmware hasn't - what's up wit that? |
| 21:29:35 | BigBambi | You aren't reusing your ipod database |
| 21:29:45 | faemir | Well, you know what I mean. |
| 21:29:51 | BigBambi | The rockbox database scans your entire disk for music files |
| 21:29:59 | faemir | Yeh, I meant that it's not drag and drop |
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| 21:30:08 | BigBambi | faemir: It is fairly important to be accurate when discussing technical matters :) |
| 21:30:09 | faemir | It's the evil scrambled up ipod way >_> |
| 21:30:15 | BigBambi | indeed :) |
| 21:30:52 | faemir | I had some problems with rockbox crashing before so I returned to normal ipod, but gave it another chance yesterday, and no crashes, so I'm going to put it back on to drag and drop :) |
| 21:31:00 | codesquid | gevaerts, this time OS X didn't crash |
| 21:31:02 | faemir | normal ipod firmware * |
| 21:31:10 | codesquid | gevaerts, http://rafb.net/p/IL39ZC92.html first attempt |
| 21:31:16 | BigBambi | faemir: You may have multiple copies there in a recycle bin for instance - easiest way to check is to put two into a playlist, then view the playlist to see if it is the same filename |
| 21:31:26 | BigBambi | If that is it, run the disk tidy plugin |
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| 21:31:29 | major_works | gevaerts: Is the last version of FS #8562 (integration_3.diff) usable, or have recent commits rendered it too squirrely for non-coders to patch? |
| 21:31:37 | faemir | I never got how to use playlist feature :( |
| 21:31:46 | codesquid | gevaerts, http://rafb.net/p/nkoMdY19.html several more attempts. No crash but no volumes either. |
| 21:31:53 | BigBambi | If not, then you can try rebuilding the database. To make sure you really start from scratch, delete *.tcd for the .rockbox folder |
| 21:32:00 | BigBambi | faemir: That is what the manual is for |
| 21:32:03 | faemir | BigBambi: also, when did the thing come in where you hold menu and it comes up with options for shuffle repeat etc? |
| 21:32:11 | BigBambi | Always been there |
| 21:32:15 | faemir | O_O |
| 21:32:18 | BigBambi | That is the quick menu |
| 21:32:22 | faemir | Well I found it yesterday and it's awesome. |
| 21:32:26 | * | BigBambi points at the manual again |
| 21:32:26 | faemir | Can you customise it? |
| 21:32:36 | BigBambi | Check out the context menu too |
| 21:32:40 | faemir | Yeh I looked at the manual before, and didn't notice it =/ |
| 21:32:44 | gevaerts | major_works: that one is entirely commited to svn, so you don't need a patch to get the latest work currently |
| 21:32:45 | BigBambi | faemir: Not without editing the code |
| 21:32:53 | faemir | BigBambi: aww :( |
| 21:33:05 | faemir | It would be nice to put coverflow as a shortcut instead of the fileview mode |
| 21:33:07 | BigBambi | faemir: Power savings were 10/02/2008 - http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=16259 |
| 21:33:20 | BigBambi | faemir: The code is available.... |
| 21:33:21 | major_works | gevaerts: Ah, that explains it. Shouldn't it be closed, then? But thanks for the good word. |
| 21:33:54 | faemir | BigBambi: but I can't code :P |
| 21:34:01 | faemir | OF = original factory? |
| 21:34:08 | BigBambi | original firmware |
| 21:34:14 | BigBambi | similar :) |
| 21:34:15 | faemir | Ah. |
| 21:34:33 | gevaerts | major_works: not sure. It's still not active by default, and I might do more patches (although it's unlikely, I expect the changes from now on will be small enough to go directly to svn) |
| 21:34:35 | faemir | I don't suppose you know whether the estimated battery time left is any more accurate than before? |
| 21:34:44 | BigBambi | probably not :) |
| 21:34:50 | faemir | Haha ok. |
| 21:35:03 | major_works | OK... no problem. Thanks again. |
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| 21:35:17 | faemir | oh great, time to right a script to resize all my images to 100 x 100 :( |
| 21:35:25 | BigBambi | there is one on the wiki |
| 21:35:32 | faemir | oh good. |
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| 21:36:04 | faemir | BigBambi: is it for linux? |
| 21:36:07 | BigBambi | faemir: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt#Format_Conversion |
| 21:36:10 | BigBambi | faemir: yep |
| 21:36:19 | faemir | ah, I just got it :P |
| 21:36:21 | gevaerts | major_works: major_works: I'm adding a note to the tracker right now to make this clear |
| 21:36:26 | BigBambi | just replace the needed bits |
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| 21:37:13 | fyrestorm | gevaerts: is there any way i can test read/write speeds that get logged |
| 21:37:22 | major_works | gevaerts: Good deal. No biggie... I know how to use -R these days. :-) |
| 21:37:24 | fyrestorm | to give you more accurate results? |
| 21:37:47 | faemir | BigBambi: what are the chances of rbutil using qt 4.4 any time soon? |
| 21:38:06 | BigBambi | faemir: Don't know. Domonoky_ and bluebrother are the mail rbutil bods |
| 21:38:15 | BigBambi | s/mail/main |
| 21:38:16 | faemir | Ok thanks. |
| 21:38:25 | scorche|sh | faemir: what are your main reasons for wanting the switch? |
| 21:38:41 | major_works | gevaerts: Do we still need to use -DUSE_ROCKBOX_USB and -DUSE_HIGH_SPEED in the Makefile? |
| 21:38:51 | faemir | scorche|sh: well I don't have any 'reasons' as such, just curious if it will be upgraded. |
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| 21:39:25 | faemir | I mean it has to have some advantages right? :P |
| 21:39:34 | BigBambi | heh |
| 21:39:49 | * | scorche|sh shrugs at faemir ...if there arent any real reasons to (i wouldnt know...i dont deal with QT) there isnt much point in moving from something that already works just fine |
| 21:40:02 | faemir | scorche|sh: tell that the the kde crowd ;) |
| 21:40:14 | gevaerts | major_works: yes. Be aware that on sansa e200, there is a (rare) write bug in the flash driver that shows up when using USB. |
| 21:41:06 | gevaerts | fyrestorm: I'm not really sure how to test speeds on windows. Maybe just use large enough files so "manual" timing works ? |
| 21:41:10 | major_works | OK. I'll make sure my lawyers don't know. ;-) |
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| 21:41:24 | faemir | scorche|sh: what player have you got rockbox on? |
| 21:41:29 | faemir | whoops, wrong person |
| 21:41:36 | faemir | BigBambi: see above. |
| 21:41:40 | desowin | hmm, on sansa e200 rockbox could disable audio output when there's no song playing, that seems to save from ugly hisses/voices while browsing menus. and it's the way OF does it, when there's no song playing they disable the audiohw so there's no hiss. |
| 21:41:47 | fyrestorm | k will try |
| 21:41:52 | Kal_Torak | Any ETA on 2nd/3rd gen Nano support? I haven't been able to find anything on the website |
| 21:41:58 | fyrestorm | reading at 3.79mb a second |
| 21:42:00 | scorche|sh | Kal_Torak: there is no ETA |
| 21:42:17 | Beta2K | It'll be a pain Kal |
| 21:42:19 | Kal_Torak | I shoulda said, is there going to be any support at all |
| 21:42:20 | BigBambi | faemir: iriver H140, gigabeat F60, sansa E260 and soon (hopefully, the port is progressing) gigabeat S60 |
| 21:42:25 | fyrestorm | moving a music folder to my desktop |
| 21:42:29 | Kal_Torak | I've got a 3rd Gen video nano |
| 21:42:29 | gevaerts | fyrestorm: do you have front and back USB ports on your PC ? If so, can you try which work best ? |
| 21:42:30 | faemir | Enough players? :P |
| 21:42:34 | fyrestorm | yeah |
| 21:42:40 | BigBambi | You can never have enough! |
| 21:42:41 | scorche|sh | Kal_Torak: that is impossible to say...no one is working on it |
| 21:42:41 | fyrestorm | im using the front right now |
| 21:42:48 | Kal_Torak | ah |
| 21:42:48 | Kal_Torak | ok |
| 21:42:54 | scorche|sh | faemir: that is actually quite tame compared to a lot of us here =P |
| 21:43:04 | faemir | BigBambi: I would pay lots of money for that gigabeat f60. |
| 21:43:07 | Beta2K | The problem is Kal there's no data on the CPU it uses |
| 21:43:12 | faemir | Want to get rid of this ipod XD |
| 21:43:15 | Kal_Torak | Ah |
| 21:43:18 | BigBambi | scorche|sh: Oi, I was feeling important for a minute then! |
| 21:43:22 | Beta2K | It's apple branded |
| 21:43:27 | scorche|sh | Beta2K: that is only one of the many problems |
| 21:43:31 | BigBambi | faemir: They periodically go for next to nothing on ebay |
| 21:43:32 | Beta2K | Same with the audio codec |
| 21:43:35 | faemir | Oh and kudos to whoever made the new theme included in rockbox. |
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| 21:43:47 | faemir | BigBambi: yeh, I keep forgetting to check :( |
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| 21:43:49 | Beta2K | Yes the these is very nice |
| 21:43:50 | fyrestorm | write speed: 5.77-6.61 MB/sec |
| 21:44:00 | Beta2K | theme |
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| 21:44:17 | faemir | Beta2K: though imo the icons at the bottom are too big. |
| 21:44:26 | scorche|sh | Beta2K: we know what chips they are...doesnt mean we know how they work, but hardware support isnt even the first brick wall |
| 21:44:40 | fyrestorm | trying back port now. |
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| 21:44:53 | BigBambi | No way to run custom code is a bit of a hitch |
| 21:45:09 | gevaerts | fyrestorm: that looks good. How quickly did it show up in explorer ? |
| 21:45:16 | fyrestorm | awhile |
| 21:45:25 | fyrestorm | just plugged it in the back |
| 21:45:31 | faemir | Is it true that sansa gave some of their players to get rockbox running on them? |
| 21:45:47 | BigBambi | faemir: Sort of |
| 21:45:47 | fyrestorm | still waiting.. |
| 21:45:55 | scorche|sh | yes...they sent us some hardware...but that was all they did |
| 21:46:11 | BigBambi | faemir: http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-sandisk-connection.html |
| 21:46:19 | fyrestorm | gevaerts: i dont think the driver is loading |
| 21:46:27 | fyrestorm | yeah its taking way too long |
| 21:46:31 | fyrestorm | disconnecting |
| 21:47:05 | gevaerts | fyrestorm: you have a weird PC ;-) Usually it works better on the back ports |
| 21:47:16 | fyrestorm | i made it myself ;p |
| 21:47:26 | fyrestorm | asus a8n-sli |
| 21:47:32 | fyrestorm | 939 socket |
| 21:47:39 | Beta2K | scorche|sh, other the the hardware (and I assume people) whats the other brick wall? |
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| 21:47:48 | BigBambi | BigBambi> No way to run custom code is a bit of a hitch |
| 21:47:53 | fyrestorm | lemme try rebooting rockbox |
| 21:48:04 | scorche|sh | Beta2K: the firmware is encrypted |
| 21:48:06 | fyrestorm | i do hear the device found sound |
| 21:48:13 | gevaerts | fyrestorm: often the front ports (even on big brand PCs) are wired with really bad cabling |
| 21:48:18 | fyrestorm | but no drive shows up in explorer |
| 21:48:20 | Beta2K | Oye, that's a nasty wall :( |
| 21:48:26 | fyrestorm | yeah |
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| 21:48:38 | fyrestorm | im using a stacker 810 case |
| 21:48:42 | scorche|sh | Beta2K: hardware drivers are a bit useless if we cant run code ;) |
| 21:48:42 | fyrestorm | huuuge |
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| 21:49:03 | Beta2K | hehehe, just a little |
| 21:49:18 | fyrestorm | rebooting my ipod and then gonna plug it in using back ports |
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| 21:50:24 | fyrestorm | yeah its not showing up |
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| 21:50:43 | faemir | BigBambi: the reason for no new ipod development is firmware encryption isn't it? |
| 21:50:58 | BigBambi | faemir: That and new undocumented hardware |
| 21:51:03 | fyrestorm | faemir: id also assume new hardware |
| 21:51:22 | fyrestorm | ok, since back port isnt loading the driver at all |
| 21:51:23 | amiconn | gevaerts: The usb hardware enable/disable routines in apple diskmode do some fiddling with 0x70000028. I wonder whether this is important; there seems to be some kind of reset |
| 21:51:28 | Domonoky_ | faemir: rbutil uses the newest released Qt, 4.4 isnt released.. |
| 21:51:40 | fyrestorm | wait |
| 21:51:42 | fyrestorm | there we go |
| 21:51:43 | fyrestorm | finally |
| 21:51:49 | fyrestorm | it finally showed up |
| 21:51:58 | gevaerts | amiconn: only one way to find out I guess ? |
| 21:52:14 | fyrestorm | 03:48-03:51 |
| 21:52:25 | scorche|sh | faemir: well, i would say that the reason is because no one is working on it...if someone were to, they might not have progress, but at least someone is poking around and gathering information and such |
| 21:52:45 | fyrestorm | ok so now that the backport works, im gonna do a read/write test |
| 21:53:01 | faemir | It's just I would love to be able to have it on the new ones, since as they have far superior battery life and stuff :( |
| 21:53:15 | scorche|sh | faemir: then start having at it! ;) |
| 21:53:17 | amiconn | Otoh, I could not find any references to what we call DEV_USB0 |
| 21:53:19 | gevaerts | fyrestorm: I'm going to assume it's a signal quality problem. It happens on some models and not on others, possibly related to PP version. Anyway, USB is checksummed so your data should be fine |
| 21:53:22 | fyrestorm | read: 3.58 |
| 21:53:31 | faemir | scorche|sh: well when I have lots of money I'll donate one ;) |
| 21:53:41 | amiconn | Just DEV_USB1 and INIT_USB |
| 21:53:51 | fyrestorm | write: 5.81-6.79 |
| 21:53:52 | faemir | Though I think I would rather get it working on the new cowon model when it comes out ;) |
| 21:54:04 | fyrestorm | but it does take forever to show up |
| 21:54:28 | gevaerts | amiconn: I'll try a build here without DEV_USB0. Maybe it's a 'introduce bad signals' bit. |
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| 21:54:43 | amiconn | I doubt that |
| 21:55:10 | amiconn | The reset thing looks kinda interesting though. Maybe I should try it |
| 21:56:38 | gevaerts | I guess so. It's the only way to find out for sure. |
| 21:57:36 | gevaerts | I think I also managed to get USB test mode working, so I should be able to get a real signal test done early next week. |
| 21:59:12 | fyrestorm | why such the long load time |
| 21:59:14 | fyrestorm | in explorer |
| 21:59:27 | fyrestorm | when i first tried your build it was damn quick |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:12 | fyrestorm | also my battery is getting weak so that may also be a factor |
| 22:00:12 | major_works_ | gevaerts: FYI... a make for Sansa e200 failed in usb.c. I used clean SVN. Cygwin stuff here: http://pastebin.com/d4fa9b125 |
| 22:00:31 | fyrestorm | ill have a brand new 1200mAh ipod battery for my 4th gen |
| 22:02:03 | gevaerts | fyrestorm: hmm. Could you try the 4th gen as well ? If our PP version theory is correct, that one should work better |
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| 22:03:10 | gevaerts | major_works_: I'll try to reproduce it here |
| 22:03:39 | major_works_ | gevaerts: Me too. It'll take me a lot longer than you, though. |
| 22:05:09 | gevaerts | major_works_: it builds fine here (e200, both with and without USE_ROCKBOX_USB). It looks like firmware/export/usb.h is out of date |
| 22:05:26 | fyrestorm | gevaerts: cant on the current battery i have |
| 22:05:49 | fyrestorm | i need to replace it, voltage is way too low |
| 22:05:58 | fyrestorm | and dies out pretty much instantly. |
| 22:06:24 | gevaerts | fyrestorm: ok |
| 22:06:52 | major_works_ | gevaerts: I'll try again. If the problem repeats, I'll let you know. |
| 22:06:52 | fyrestorm | but once i get it, i will do as you please |
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| 22:07:19 | gevaerts | major_works_: If it still fails, can you check what "firmware/export/usb.h" reports as Last Changed Rev ? It should be 16435 |
| 22:07:36 | major_works_ | OK. |
| 22:07:47 | major_works_ | It'll be a while. |
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| 22:08:04 | gevaerts | amiconn: DEV_USB0 is definitely needed on my c200. It doesn't actually finish booting without it |
| 22:08:23 | amiconn | ? |
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| 22:16:42 | gevaerts | amiconn: there's one while() loop in usb_init_device(), waiting for something to change in 0x70000028. Maybe that doesn't happen without DEV_USB0 ? |
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| 22:20:03 | gevaerts | Why does the mini 2nd gen have such a large delta over the last two revisions ? |
| 22:23:51 | amiconn | The 2K aligned struct is obviously still there |
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| 22:24:53 | gevaerts | So that one probably moves a bit. It can't go unfortunately. the hardware wants it that way |
| 22:24:55 | amiconn | A small size change of what's before that in RAM can make that struct jump up/down in 2K steps, depending on how it is located |
| 22:25:43 | amiconn | We can put that struct at the end of maim RAM via the linker script. Then it will always be aligned and won't jump around |
| 22:25:52 | amiconn | s/maim/main/ |
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| 22:26:48 | gevaerts | If the only thing it buys us is a bit less clutter on the delta page, I don't think it's worth it |
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| 22:28:28 | amiconn | It would also avoid wasting an average 1K RAM. Actual waste varies with build (0...(2K-1) bytes) |
| 22:30:12 | gevaerts | Can't the linker optimize that kind of thing ? |
| 22:30:47 | * | gevaerts goes to solve the bin-packing problem in O(n) |
| 22:32:08 | amiconn | It obviously can't |
| 22:33:55 | preglow | i say we should stay out of linker scripts if we can |
| 22:34:01 | preglow | kiss, remember |
| 22:34:19 | * | gevaerts agrees |
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| 22:34:46 | amiconn | Well, pinning that one buffer to a fixed address isn't overly complex, imho |
| 22:35:10 | amiconn | But that can wait until the usb stack is stable |
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| 22:35:59 | pondlife | pixelma: Don't suppose you tested my latter patch? FYI, I've put it on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8455 now (in two halves). |
| 22:36:20 | amiconn | hmmm |
| 22:36:45 | amiconn | Either it's just a coincidence, or I actually made those darn reset happen less often |
| 22:36:56 | low_light | gevaerts: here's the init & reset sequence from c200 bootloader: http://rafb.net/p/rrnLgY35.html http://rafb.net/p/dIePpt61.html |
| 22:37:17 | pixelma | pondlife: I did - see logs at 19:03 |
| 22:37:55 | desowin | is it possible to enable/disable audiohw without hearing beep in headphones? |
| 22:37:57 | pondlife | Aha, I feared as much |
| 22:38:22 | faemir | Is the rbutil install themes option broken for everyone or just me? |
| 22:38:31 | pondlife | Still, it means I know what's wrong - just need to find the correct logic |
| 22:38:59 | amiconn | One single 'event 51' in the windows system log instead of a dozen (connected to hub), and *no* reset in linux dmesg so far (front port) |
| 22:39:56 | desowin | I tried to implement my idea of disabling/enabling audiohw when playing or not and it turned out in one really ugly beep on disable/enable of hw |
| 22:39:59 | Domonoky_ | faemir: what doesnt work ? |
| 22:40:00 | gevaerts | amiconn: can you compare to what low_light just pasted ? |
| 22:40:39 | * | gevaerts hopes that it will be the same, so we won't have to #ifdef-ify that as well |
| 22:40:40 | pondlife | (for the logs) Nico_P: The problem seems to be caused by last_peek_offset being updated too early on natural track changes. |
| 22:41:09 | faemir | Domonoky_: it says it can't find any themes |
| 22:41:22 | Domonoky_ | faemir: which device ? |
| 22:41:30 | faemir | ipod video 30gb |
| 22:41:33 | * | gevaerts has to go for some hours now. I'll be back later |
| 22:41:36 | amiconn | Looks similar, but not identical |
| 22:41:43 | pixelma | Domonoky_, faemir: I think it's the Ipod Video's downloads where taken down from the download server due too bandwidth problems |
| 22:41:44 | amiconn | Apple diskmode even does a bit more |
| 22:41:56 | amiconn | It does not touch 0x70000028 bit 1 though |
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| 22:42:10 | faemir | pixelma: ah :( Can you remind me of the place to get themes for rockbox then? >_< |
| 22:42:35 | scorche|sh | faemir: either fo to the WpsGallery int he wiki, or go to rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org for now |
| 22:42:38 | gevaerts | Anyway I'll test this later. |
| 22:42:40 | amiconn | Ah, now I see why I didn't get a reset: no high speed! :\ |
| 22:42:43 | Domonoky_ | pixelma: that explains the error message of rbutil :-) |
| 22:42:46 | faemir | scorche|sh: thanks |
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| 22:43:11 | * | amiconn wonders why there is no high speed when he didn't touch that bit in the sources |
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| 22:52:07 | ryran | hey guys. any of the devs following Gevaerts usb work know if he's aware that some time in the last few days non-computer usb power has been broken a bit? plugging my 5g ipod into a car or wall charger with the latest build (r16458) causes RB to reboot into emergency disk mode. holding down Menu prevents that; however then playback is _stopped_ (but can be restarted). |
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| 22:55:59 | ryran | ahhh. okay. reading the log from today I see he knows. |
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| 23:06:14 | amiconn | Hmm. If we don't set 0x70000028 bit 1, the chip operates at fullspeed only |
| 23:07:27 | amiconn | And the mysterious bitt toggle sequence I found yesterday is also part of diskmode... |
| 23:08:35 | * | petur discovers that current svn bootloader no longer boots on his h380 - svn bootloader at the time of devcon07 booted 50% of the time |
| 23:12:34 | pondlife | petur: I was planning on updating my H380's bootloader... |
| 23:12:58 | pondlife | I'm currently on r14938 |
| 23:13:08 | petur | I'm trying to find out what goes wrong |
| 23:13:27 | pondlife | I've not seen any 50% problem though... |
| 23:13:35 | petur | it fails inside ata_init() |
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| 23:27:45 | * | petur hates it when adding debug info changes the behaviour :/ |
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| 23:29:37 | lImbus | good evening |
| 23:30:24 | lImbus | could somebody drop me the acbuild.pl and rsa-key ? |
| 23:30:39 | lImbus | my server is already on the list, but I lost those files on a hdd-crash |
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| 23:32:55 | Bagder | lImbus: http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/acbuild.txt |
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| 23:33:06 | Bagder | and http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/rbclient-authorized_keys2 |
| 23:33:14 | lImbus | aaha |
| 23:33:18 | lImbus | that is new:) |
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| 23:33:28 | lImbus | unwanted that it's not listed in the wiki ? |
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| 23:33:47 | Bagder | i just haven't gotten around to that |
| 23:33:54 | lImbus | okay, I'll do |
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| 23:39:37 | lImbus | ow, cool. rockbox has coats now here |
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| 23:40:38 | petur | frrr I have two identify dumps of my mk8007gah, and one of them says multiword dma mode2 is active... just can't be true... wonder what is going on |
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| 23:50:49 | pondlife | Darn, missed petur. |
| 23:51:27 | pondlife | (more stuff for the logs) petur: If you want me to do any other tests, I also have a mk8007gah. |
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| 23:55:56 | snowwee | hi |
| 23:56:01 | snowwee | every body here? |
| 23:56:11 | snowwee | i very nned help |
| 23:56:20 | krazykit | just ask |
| 23:56:57 | snowwee | can i install rocktox to ipod nano 3G 4gb? |
| 23:57:14 | Domonoky_ | no |
| 23:57:28 | snowwee | you sure? |
| 23:57:39 | snowwee | http://youtube.com/watch?v=NDvxLJZEpPA |
| 23:57:44 | snowwee | what OS in this |
| 23:57:44 | snowwee | ipod/ |
| 23:57:47 | Domonoky_ | sure, take a look at the website |
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| 23:58:13 | snowwee | what OS better than MAC i can install on my ipod? |
| 23:58:19 | krazykit | nothing |
| 23:58:32 | snowwee | linux no? |
| 23:58:35 | krazykit | no |
| 23:58:42 | snowwee | only mac? |
| 23:58:56 | krazykit | the ONLY firmware that works on the nano 2g/3g is the apple firmware |
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