#rockbox 2008-03-01

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#rockbox log for 2008-03-01

00:00:03	lImbus	snowwee, at about 1:04-1:06 you see it's a video beeing played
00:00:22	krazykit	snowwee, no, i said your ipod, only the original apple firmware works. no alternate firmwares exist for that ipod.
00:00:36	snowwee	fcuk :/
00:00:53	snowwee	in future maybe be some alternative
00:00:55	snowwee	os?
00:01:05	lImbus	unlikely
00:01:16	lImbus	they did a proper job this time, I've been told
00:01:18	scorche\|sh	well, one cant say either way
00:01:22	scorche\|sh	...today
00:02:10	scorche\|sh	lImbus: well, it hasnt really been researched in depth...who knows what someone might find if they looked into it deeper?
00:03:13	lImbus	of course
00:03:17	lImbus	could happen
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00:04:35	snowwee	why when i try to
00:04:38	snowwee	update ipod i have
00:04:43	snowwee	This version of the ipod software (1.1) is the current version
00:04:50	snowwee	but i think 1.1. is not newest version
00:05:07	scorche\|sh	snowwee: this channel is about rockbox and rockbox only
00:05:19	Domonoky_	snowwee: ask apple, we are only interested in rockbox here..
00:05:32	snowwee	ok..
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00:09:24	lImbus	I reckon there are a LOT of fake "hacked" iphone videos on youtube
00:09:36	pondlife	pixelma: The playback_update_lpo_late.patch on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8455 fixes the double-skip. I don't know if it still fixes the problem though (not yet).
00:10:29	pixelma	lImbus: the best is mentioned on the GoldenQuotes wikie page =)
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00:10:46	pixelma	pondlife: will try
00:11:05	pondlife	I'm about 2 tracks from a rebuffer :)
00:11:20	lImbus	hehe, funny page, thanks marianna
00:11:27	lImbus	s/marianna/marianne
00:11:41	pondlife	I need to see if auto change dir is working still too... I bet it's borked.
00:12:42	pixelma	pondlife: do I need to revert the old patch, the newer looks so short...
00:12:49	pondlife	Yes
00:12:57	pondlife	This is a patch against current SVN
00:13:17	pondlife	The old patch was two parts, I was trying them both at once.
00:13:27	pixelma	ok
00:13:38	pondlife	I've split them out now - one has no effect but does make the code simpler.
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00:18:05	pondlife	pixelma: Looks good - it rebuffered ok...
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00:25:57	pondlife	Auto-change dir seems to work still, I think I'll get committing
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00:29:08	pixelma	pondlife: what about manual track skip? (still have 2.5 tracks to go...)
00:29:17	pondlife	Seems fine to me
00:29:38	pondlife	I skipped madly forward and backward, across directories too.
00:29:51	pondlife	My main limitation is that all tracks are CBR MP3
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00:30:02	pondlife	So other formats might reveal more
00:30:12	pixelma	mine are vbr mp3s
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00:32:01	pixelma	I think I could also test with some aacs but not sure if the problem occured in that folder before (I had at least one of the others that worked correctly yesterday)
00:32:26	pondlife	I suspect it'll happen most with FLACs
00:34:12	pixelma	hmm... took my 2 wavs off last weekend (wasted quite some space if you only have about 3GB storage...)
00:34:25	pondlife	:)
00:34:36	pondlife	Hmm, the build table diffs aren't working... http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-20080229T183555Z.html for example...
00:35:25	pixelma	gevaerts already mentioned that earlier
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00:41:34	pixelma	pondlife: test was successfull :)
00:41:50	pondlife	OK, try some other skipping etc. to break it.
00:41:57	pondlife	I've committed it anyway... ;)
00:43:04	lImbus	Bagder, do you want to log in to my build server manually like you did last time to test before the first build goes red ?
00:43:28	pixelma	pondlife: yes, already saw. Manual track skipping is alright too - manual dir skip too - for auto-change directory I have to enable the setting first
00:44:48	Bagder	lImbus: you haven't checked out svn in the home dir
00:45:18	lImbus	well
00:45:22	lImbus	I did it in ~
00:45:29	lImbus	but it created ~/trunk
00:45:34	lImbus	I did not dare to move it
00:45:41	lImbus	I'll do
00:46:19	Bagder	lImbus: and I find no ccache...
00:46:30	lImbus	ah, yes
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00:46:38	lImbus	I wanted to add that yet
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00:47:34	pixelma	pondlife: auto-change dir when it reached the end of the playlist by playing (forwarded in the last track) worked alright but I was able to confuse it when I manually skipped forward from the beginning of the last track in the directory
00:47:54	pondlife	Hmm, I tried that
00:48:28	pondlife	I went from the last track in one dir into the first track in the next and back again, many times.
00:48:33	pondlife	Worked ok
00:48:39	pixelma	it plays but somehow this last track is now the first track in the new playlist (maybe the one that should actually play is missing)
00:49:31	lImbus	Bagder, both fixed now
00:49:50	lImbus	except that I do not find where to specify ccache in acbuild, as the wikipage says
00:49:51	pondlife	pixelma: Sorry, can you come up with a "recipe".
00:50:41	pixelma	when I skip forward (to the 2nd) and back again it still plays this track, the playlist looks alright though. I think it doesn't happen every time...
00:50:41	amiconn	hmpf
00:51:27	pondlife	e.g. Skip to the last track, then skip forward again.?
00:52:25	pondlife	There can be a few seconds delay while buffering catches up, but I can't get it out of sync.
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00:53:49	gevaerts	The init sequence that low_light pasted seems to be missing some bits
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00:53:55	pixelma	pondlife: seems I can repeat it now by quickly skipping to the last track and then one more
00:54:33	pondlife	If I do that I end up on the first track of the next dir
00:54:36	pondlife	What do you get?
00:55:02	Bagder	lImbus: the svn checkout still isn't fine, "svn up" in the home dir doesn't work
00:55:18	lImbus	strange
00:56:06	amiconn	Is that the moved checkout?
00:56:45	pixelma	pondlife: I get the last track of the previous folder showing as first track of the new playlist (e.g. next folder has 8 tracks, it'll be the first track of 8, the real one doesn't play then i.e. it'll go on correctly with track 2)
00:57:11	pondlife	On Sansa?
00:57:25	pondlife	I'm only using the sim at the moment
00:57:36	pixelma	^this is how it shows in the WPS and what is playing, playlist looks ok - yes on my c250
00:58:29	lImbus	where does the svn-client store meta-data ?
00:58:41	pondlife	I wonder if the remaining special case for auto-change dir is actually required any more?
00:59:03	pondlife	It should be handled by the playlist code alone
01:00
01:00:09	pondlife	Could you perhaps see if the same problem happens without that patch (or last commit)?
01:00:26	pondlife	I've got to go now, but will check the logs
01:00:29	pixelma	sure
01:01:32	gevaerts	lImbus: in .svn
01:01:52	lImbus	that's what I expected
01:01:58	lImbus	but there was no
01:02:11	lImbus	anyway, I think I found my initial mistake
01:02:46	*	lImbus is currently checking out with the tiny little dot as last char in the command...
01:03:17	lImbus	and now it already created a .svn
01:03:18	lImbus	fine
01:03:22	lImbus	just taking one more minute
01:03:44	pixelma	pondlife: but thanks for the nice improvement already, wouldn't have noticed the auto-change dir thing because I usually don't use this feature... :)
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01:05:07	lImbus	Bagder: now there be light, err, build :)#
01:06:10	Bagder	yeps, things look good
01:06:26	lImbus	allright
01:06:29	lImbus	thanks for assistance
01:06:39	lImbus	I will refine the BuildServer-Page now
01:06:46	lImbus	and wait for the next commit
01:06:52	lImbus	:)
01:07:03	pixelma	Bagder: can you check what's wrong with the commit links from the build table?
01:07:16	Bagder	yeah, I fixed them already
01:07:24	Bagder	just waiting for a commit to confirm
01:07:42	pixelma	I see
01:07:59	Bagder	it was the switch to the single svnlog script that broke it
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01:12:24	lImbus	Bagder, wiki page updated to my content
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01:15:42	pixelma	pondlife (for the logs): same thing happens without the patch, revision 16454
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01:32:15	lImbus	allright, me also needs to go to bed
01:32:21	lImbus	CeBIT is far too close :(
01:32:40	lImbus	good night fellas, I'll monitor the build logs tomorrow
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01:42:14	Bagder	limbus' server failed...
01:42:25	Bagder	the sdl builds
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01:54:07	TheBashar	My c250 is playing a large playlist in shuffle mode. It was doing fine for 20 minutes but now has started playing only the first 30s-1m of a song before skipping to the next track. Anybody ever heard of this problem before?
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01:54:39	lImbus	:(
01:54:44	lImbus	forgot aboud sdl :(
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01:55:18	Llorean	TheBashar: Are you using a current SVN build?
01:55:33	TheBashar	Llorean: Yes, from yesterday.
01:55:43	Llorean	that's not current
01:55:49	TheBashar	LOL
01:55:57	Llorean	When I say "Current SVN build" I mean "the build at the link titled 'Current Build'"
01:56:28	TheBashar	Llorean, no it's about 14 hours old.
01:56:32	Llorean	It's not a laughing matter.
01:56:42	Llorean	There are often a wide range of changes in one day's time. Or in this case half a day.
01:56:49	Llorean	Several of them have been playback related.
01:57:10	TheBashar	Llorean: Do you recommend trying the current and checking back.
01:57:17	Llorean	It's important to be reporting with a current build, because we tell you clearly in the guidelines to do so, and sometimes we'll assume you actually know to. So if you report a bug that should be fixed, we'll think the fix didn'tw ork.
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01:58:28	Llorean	TheBashar: I don't "recommend" it. We require you be running it, so we know it's an actual current bug.
01:59:04	Llorean	Make sure to use the "Current Build" link and not the archived Daily build, too.
01:59:27	TheBashar	Llorean: I was really asking "has anybody heard of this problem" so then I could take the next step.
01:59:35	webguest20	why isnt the pong multipulse patch being commited???
02:00
02:00:09	Llorean	TheBashar: Why not verify that the bug's still around before asking if people have heard of it?
02:00:33	Llorean	Often there will be several variants of a single problem, depending on playback habits. And the fix will clear up all of them, even ones we haven't heard about yet.
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02:00:39	Llorean	webguest20: Which flyspray number?
02:00:59	TheBashar	Llorean: Didn't seem like the appropriate order to me when working off a < 24 hours old build. But now I know better.
02:01:21	Llorean	The playback code has gone under significant work in just the last 4 hours.
02:02:41	pixelma	TheBashar: there's been a fix of a playback bug 1.5 hours ago...
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02:03:05	pixelma	maybe it's affected the behaviour you saw too
02:03:37	TheBashar	pixelma: Yes, I saw that in svn but the description didn't sound the same. I'll give it a go once the build tree turns green.
02:04:07	Llorean	TheBashar: You're not using a sim build, those errors won't affect you
02:04:13	webguest20	Llorean, 5855 flyspray
02:04:35	pixelma	Llorean: ?
02:04:51	Llorean	pixelma: All the red in the build table only relates to sim builds.
02:05:24	pixelma	oh, the red in the build table... didn't see that
02:06:00	webguest20	5855
02:06:07	webguest20	5855
02:06:15	Llorean	webguest20: You said that already, stop spamming
02:06:43	Llorean	My guess is that it hasn't been committed because it's not particularly interesting to any core dev, and right now it's very hard coded.
02:06:51	Llorean	It seems like it should be optional.
02:09:50	lImbus	the sdl on my build server is fixed now, the wiki page mentions it
02:09:58	lImbus	i'll really go to bed now :/
02:10:09	lImbus	good night�
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02:46:10	Strife89	Would someone help me figure out if I've coded a few C lines correctly?
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02:46:38	Strife89	(I'll submit them if someone says yes, but not before then.)
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02:47:42	Strife89	#rockbox-community
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02:53:43	Strife89	Anyone?......
02:54:27	Llorean	Strife89: If nobody answers, nobody answers. Just have patience, but this isn't really a generic C help channel, so i hope you're asking rockbox specific questions.
02:54:37	Strife89	Sorry.
02:54:51	Strife89	How the heck do I go over to #rockbox-community.
02:54:53	Strife89	?
02:55:11	Mode	"#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
02:55:16	Llorean	Same way you always pick a channel in IRC...
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02:55:33	Strife89	Which I know nothing of how to do.
02:55:35	Llorean	Another piece of information Google is good for.
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02:56:19	Strife89	Fine, fine, I'll Google it.....
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03:02:00	Strife89	Aha....
03:03:56	Beta2K	?
03:04:33	Strife89	Oh, Llorean sent me to research my own question.
03:05:27	Llorean	Mainly because the guidelines for the channel tell you to search first...
03:06:30	Strife89	Sorry. :-[
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03:09:10	Strife89	Rokbox question: isn't there an MIDI to WAV plugin?
03:09:59	Llorean	No.
03:10:08	Llorean	There's a MIDI playback plugin that could be modified to be one.
03:10:25	Strife89	I'm using the playback plugin now.
03:10:47	Strife89	I understand it's slow (ish) on Portal Player targets.
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03:12:23	Strife89	I get a number of buffer misses when a lot of instruments play at once, but other than that, it runs well.
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04:10:35	quaal	why is it that i have to restart my ipod like 1/3 times because the top button fails to turn it on
04:10:39	quaal	have an ipod video
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04:14:44	soap	I've always used the middle button (Select)
04:15:16	soap	I was not aware the middle button would cause the iPod to boot.
04:15:51	quaal	i said the top button
04:15:54	quaal	menu i think
04:16:16	soap	yea, s/middle/Menu/ the second time I said it.
04:18:33	quaal	and these microscopic fonts are ridiculous
04:18:42	quaal	who would use this
04:19:21	Llorean	There's a wide selection of available fonts.
04:19:30	soap	did you install the font pack as mentioned in the install instructions?
04:20:02	quaal	pretty sure
04:20:06	quaal	i have a whole list of them
04:20:23	quaal	i like snap but wish i could make it a larger size
04:20:28	soap	did your iPod video default to a microscopic font?
04:20:49	quaal	yep
04:20:53	quaal	rockbox default is pretty micro
04:21:20	quaal	only ones that are really useable, like when driving a car is profont 22+
04:21:30	soap	so the fact a microscopic font is provided as an option is a problem?
04:21:36	Llorean	quaal: When did you first install Rockbox?
04:21:46	quaal	Llorean, couple months ago maybe
04:21:57	Llorean	Ah, you're not talkign about the current default then
04:22:00	soap	that font is no longer the default.
04:22:23	quaal	oh.
04:22:28	quaal	didnt know it updated that often
04:22:32	quaal	guess i'll try to upgrade
04:22:45	Llorean	Rockbox is updated several times a day, usually
04:22:51	quaal	orly
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04:23:04	soap	it doesn't. But a couple of months is a very long time - especially in iPod land lately.
04:23:16	quaal	well
04:23:25	quaal	all i know is this is my first and last apple product
04:23:27	Llorean	By "it" I think soap means "the theme or appearance"
04:23:34	soap	you will get 50% better battery life, likely.
04:24:03	quaal	really?
04:24:05	quaal	thats good to hear
04:24:23	soap	you're waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay behind.
04:24:45	quaal	yea looks like select turns it on also
04:25:09	quaal	i have rockbox version r15981-071230
04:25:52	quaal	looks like r16460 is the latest
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05:11:06	XavierGr	phew! back again :)
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05:44:34	TheHatedOne	hmm
05:44:40	TheHatedOne	quite active in here lol
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05:46:13	TheHatedOne	well i tried looking around a bit and i dont want to spend 10 hours searching to find out if i can play it or not so here goes: can i play different video files (such as avi/ogm/mkv) with rockbox?
05:46:21	Llorean	No
05:46:24	TheHatedOne	mm k thx
05:46:29	Llorean	you can only play mpeg1 and mpeg2 video, exactly as the manual says.
05:46:39	TheHatedOne	does it? where abouts
05:46:44	TheHatedOne	maybe i can find some more about vid files
05:47:32	Llorean	The section on mpegplayer...
05:48:07	TheHatedOne	oddly enough that's not a section? is that in the ipod vid manual as well?
05:48:36	Llorean	Please use whole words. Some people depend on machine translation, and if you arbitrarily cut off parts of words, it won't work.
05:48:48	TheHatedOne	ipod video manual as well*
05:48:51	Llorean	The channel guidelines make an attempt to explain this requirement. If you haven't read them, I suggest you do.
05:48:58	Llorean	And yes, it should be in the iPod Video manual, in the plugin section.
05:49:27	TheHatedOne	ahh looked like all games:P
05:49:33	TheHatedOne	so i passed it over
05:49:36	TheHatedOne	thanks
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05:52:36	x86ia	hi,any news about DevCon 2008?
05:53:09	Llorean	Just what's on the wiki.
05:53:22	x86ia	ok
05:53:39	x86ia	im thinking to go to the DevCon west 2008
05:53:54	x86ia	but it may dont fit in the budget i have
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11:01:02	petur	amiconn: I wanted to copy the identify dump of my mk8007gah and found out I already had a dump. But they differ on word 63: 0007 <-> 0407: my drive here now says it is in multiword dma mode 2. Could it be setting pio mode fails?
11:02:42	petur	Don't know if the original dump came from you or was made when booting with the released bootloader (now booting using the svn one)
11:06:01	amiconn	I don't think that matters
11:08:37	petur	svn bootloader no longer boots my h380, but adding loads of printf inbetween suddenly makes it boot
11:08:43	petur	some timing issue
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11:11:59	amiconn	Regarding your identify dump collection - the dumps weren't really meant for that. You need to clearly mark whether the dump is from a big endian or a little endia target
11:14:33	amiconn	On a related matter - 32GB CF cards are available for just ~130 EUR, so I might end up ordering one
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11:18:27	petur	amiconn: beware of the speed... those cheap cards are slooooow
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11:19:33	petur	btw, the identify info is already endianness-corrected, so I do not understand your previous remark
11:21:53	amiconn	Transcend 133x
11:22:08	petur	hmmm should be fine then
11:22:50	amiconn	The identify info is read into ram in host-endian order
11:22:59	amiconn	identifiy_info is an array of short
11:23:37	petur	right
11:23:53	amiconn	My quick hack just dumps that to a file, so on little endian targets, the bytes are pairwise swapped
11:24:32	petur	ok, I'll fix the dump code
11:24:57	amiconn	Big endian targets need no action, i.e. no extra code
11:25:10	amiconn	I have an idea how this could be done without too much ifdefing
11:25:26	petur	well then you fix it ;)
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11:30:22	TheBashar	My c200 is repeatedly experiencing FS #8455. Any devs online that could suggest helpful debugging steps?
11:30:58	TheBashar	Forgot to mention I'm running current build.
11:45:51	amiconn	petur: Actually it's really simple; I can just use ecwrite() (originally added by Slasheri for the database)
11:46:34	amiconn	Already tested it; works fine
11:47:18	petur	nice
11:47:37	amiconn	committed
11:47:54	petur	I probably have some RB time this afternoon to look at my h380 boot problem
11:50:22	amiconn	Shall I put identify dumps of all my ata based devices in the wiki? (they're all hdd though)
11:50:54	petur	yes, would be nice
11:51:27	petur	right now it looks like the patch should work fine, must just be sure we don't disable powermanagement on hdd devices
11:52:32	amiconn	I wonder why (1) the CF cards violate the specs, claiming to support powermanagement and when trying to set it, return with an error and (2) why it doesn't recover from that error
11:53:37	amiconn	There is at least one report from a user who put a CF card into a mini and got ata error -80, but he says both OF and ipodlinux work fine
11:54:37	amiconn	Ipodlinux doesn't seem to care much about power consumption, so I think they just don't touch the powermanagement setting, but I would expect the OF to use it when available
11:55:01	*	n1s throws an empty bottle at the playlist code
11:55:37	amiconn	Well, unless the iPod Mini OF doesn't do it, because the microdrive probably behaves similar to real CF
11:55:58	amiconn	Would be interesting to see whether the OF of a fullsize iPod can handle CF
11:56:09	n1s	This disk spinning on trackchange only happens when playing playlists, not dirs...
11:56:42	petur	amiconn: why do you say it doesn't recover from the error? Rockbos doesn't, but if I only log errors it works fine. It doesn't recover from the soft reset though...
11:57:29	amiconn	Even less understandable... Iiuc, soft reset is a mandatory feature
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11:58:16	amiconn	n1s: Hmm, that would explain why I never saw that effect. But I don't think the playlist code is the culprit, as iirc it doesn't do that either on hwcodec
11:59:15	petur	there are two resets, we use the soft one, the other one is of course similar to hard reset and requires reconfiguration
11:59:19	n1s	I think it's a quite new bug or would like to think so, running the sim it opens the next file in the playlist on trackchange even if it is in the buffer...
11:59:49	amiconn	Then it's most probably a buffering bug
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12:00:46	amiconn	petur: Did you try the latter?
12:01:01	petur	no
12:01:17	petur	the nano suffers the same
12:01:28	amiconn	Maybe the "soft-soft" reset on the problematic CF cards actually behaves like the one that does require reconfiguration
12:01:35	amiconn	I know
12:01:50	petur	to be tested...
12:02:38	amiconn	The nano essentially is a CF based target. Just without the standard package around the flash chips
12:03:15	amiconn	So if we find a proper fix, the nano hack can go away too
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12:14:36	petur	the nano also identifies as 044A so my patch in the tracker should already work for it
12:18:57	amiconn	I've moved the real HDDs to the end of the table, and added the ST660211FX so far
12:19:27	amiconn	How does that patch distinguish CF and HDD?
12:22:24	petur	right now it treats 044A as CF (no power management and no soft-reset)
12:23:17	petur	might have to add 848A
12:23:21	amiconn	My MK8007 dump differs for identify_info[83] ...
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12:24:33	petur	it does?
12:24:47	amiconn	7D09 instead of 7F09
12:24:57	amiconn	That's a reserved bit...
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12:25:41	petur	different firmware versions maybe?
12:25:59	amiconn	possibly
12:26:46	petur	mine says BG001D
12:27:20	amiconn	Adding 848A would be bad. The Mini's microdrive also has that
12:27:32	petur	I know
12:28:13	petur	so far, all 848A CF cards have 0 in words 82/83, just don't know about the softreset on those cards
12:28:53	petur	hmmm except my sandisk 1GB
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13:03:27	rasher	Davide-NYC: * petur walks away for a while - back in an hour
13:03:31	rasher	That was 30 minutes ago.
13:03:40	Davide-NYC	rasher: thanks
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13:31:43	petur	Davide-NYC: pong
13:33:00	amiconn	petur: I've added my collection now. I also sorted the table as follows: First all CF cards, alphabetically, then all HDDs, alphabetically, with a slight exception for Toshiba: those are sorted by generation (last digit) first
13:33:02	*	petur sees his time guessing was accurate.. exactly on hour
13:33:30	petur	wow, nice table... thanks
13:34:11	amiconn	Identify words 7 and 8 might be interesting. They are labels as "reserved for assignment by the CF association" in the ata specs
13:34:39	amiconn	All true haddisks show 0000 0000 there. The Mini's microdrive, however, does not
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13:35:36	petur	my a-data also shows different values
13:36:32	amiconn	Of course, that's a CF card...
13:36:43	amiconn	But the ST660211FX also has non-zero values there
13:36:54	petur	microdrive
13:37:04	petur	CF interface, HDD inside
13:37:23	petur	maybe it does its own powermanagement?
13:38:00	amiconn	Not even CF interface. F-FLEX.
13:38:02	petur	regarding soft reset: the CF spec says no soft reset after sleep is required, the first command wakes it up
13:38:13	amiconn	Yes, and the ata specs demand it
13:38:50	petur	oh I can test that on my H10 :)
13:41:04	*	petur builds for H10 without soft reset
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13:45:25	Davide-NYC	you need me to do any testing with my CF cards? I saw something about endian-ness...
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13:47:49	petur	amiconn: my H10 seems to work fine without the soft reset
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13:49:08	petur	bah, the H10 is not usable without dircache... bloody slow disk
13:50:06	roolku	#elif (LCD_WIDTH == 128) && (LCD_HEIGHT == 64)
13:50:07	roolku	rockblox_background.128x64x1.bmp
13:50:15	roolku	oops :)
13:57:21	JdGordon	n1s: hey, I had a suspicion it was dircahce causing extra disk accesses... nice to see thats definatly a cause
13:58:14	n1s	JdGordon: it only happens when dircache is disabled
13:58:55	Nico_P	n1s: thanks for the bug report
13:59:18	n1s	np
13:59:27	JdGordon	I'm guessing its because of the dircache thread in playlist.c.. i havnt had time to investigate it though
13:59:27	n1s	thanks for all the fixin'
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14:00:06	rasher	Nico_P: queueing up a song during the last few seconds of playback seems to confuse things
14:00:37	rasher	I guess the workaround is to stop doing anything when less than 10 seconds remain
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14:02:24	pixelma	maybe a related thing http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15722.msg117349#msg117349 (I can confirm this)
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14:03:42	JdGordon	rasher: thats a pretty nasty work around
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14:08:12	amiconn	meh
14:09:07	amiconn	petur: CF does not require a reset for wakeup, but it doesn't prohibit it either. So what the heck is wrong with that??
14:09:20	petur	you tell me
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14:12:47	amiconn	petur: Hmm, it would be helpful if you (or anyone with a CF card) could extend the table by 2 columns (only applying to CF cards): whether the card fails on soft reset, and whether it fails on setting power management
14:13:13	amiconn	I have a suspicion what might be going on...
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14:15:51	H8ff0000	Hi.
14:16:47	H8ff0000	I was hoping someone could help me with something.
14:18:13	JdGordon	next door on the left...
14:18:25	H8ff0000	I have an Ipod Video 30GB, used Rockbox Utility, complete installation went smooth. Went to install a theme by unzipping the theme directly to the root of the Ipod.
14:18:50	H8ff0000	And it isn't in the Theme List. I'm assuming I did this wrong.
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14:20:51	n1s	H8ff0000: did you keep the dir structure from the zip so everything went inside the .rockbox dir?
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14:22:21	H8ff0000	I unzipped it directly to the root of the Ipod. In the root of the Ipod I see a folder for the theme.
14:23:24	H8ff0000	Inside of the glassONgustav folder is a .rockbox folder
14:23:26	Domonoky	H8ff0000: then it didnt work correctly, the theme zip should have a .rockbox folder with the theme inside..
14:23:30	n1s	H8ff0000: that's wrong, you should use some "unzip to..." feature and point it to the root of the player , no drag and drop etc
14:24:14	H8ff0000	I didn't drag.
14:24:38	H8ff0000	But I think I see whats wrong now.
14:25:31	H8ff0000	just add the .rockbox folder to the root of the Ipod, correct?
14:26:39	amiconn	petur: Word 7 and 8 are the sector count for CF. The ata specs say that a device that either has word 0 set to 0x848a (CF signature), or has word 83 bit 2 set to 1 implements the CFA feature set
14:27:54	gevaerts	H8ff0000: you should already have a .rockbox directory there, possibly hidden
14:27:59	amiconn	Now, if the 2 "industrial" cards in the list (which specify neither) do not fail at reset and power management, I think we have a solution
14:28:03	H8ff0000	I do
14:28:38	petur	amiconn: those cards are at work :(
14:28:53	H8ff0000	when i unzipped the theme zip to the root of my player, it gave me a folder called gustavONglass. inside of that folder is another folder, .rockbox
14:28:54	petur	(in fact, they are from a customer)
14:28:55	amiconn	That is, if this way of detection don't cause increased power consumption on Mini and H10 small (with disk poweroff disabled for testing)
14:29:19	amiconn	s/don't/doesn't/
14:29:29	Domonoky	H8ff0000: the just move the .rockbox dir one up, or rextract it with a sane zip util :-)
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14:30:19	*	gevaerts wonders why so many unzippers are insane. Remember forgetting to tell pkunzip to handle directories ?
14:30:43	petur	amiconn: I already changed my code to check words 7 and 8... :)
14:31:10	amiconn	Why not just dump the info?
14:31:20	petur	eh?
14:32:18	H8ff0000	Thanks a bunch
14:32:47	amiconn	I thought you mean for testing cards at work (iirc you said yesterday that you display the values in the bootloader)
14:33:34	amiconn	And those 'simple tech', 'memory corp' and 'toshiba industrial' cards have no associated dumpfile
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14:34:04	petur	because I need to reformat them to FAT32 and copy rb on them. At work they are fat16 and work related stuff on them
14:34:25	amiconn	Then compile rockbox and the bootloader with fat16 support...
14:34:25	petur	maybe I should do the dump...
14:34:54	petur	where is FAT16 enabled?
14:35:12	amiconn	#define HAVE_FAT16SUPPORT
14:35:19	amiconn	in the target config file
14:35:43	petur	gotcha
14:35:51	amiconn	In SVN it's defined for Ondios and Sansas
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14:39:54	petur	it's a real pita that the OF doesn't like the CF card :(
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14:40:53	amiconn	So the iriver OF seems to have the same problem as rockbox...
14:41:14	petur	it says CHECK HDD
14:41:36	petur	and once booted, if you browse is shows some garbage
14:46:51	petur	ok, new bl flashed, I'll get a dump of those cards on monday
14:51:31	*	gevaerts checks ebay to get some more devices for testing. Why do people pay such insane prices ?
14:52:59	petur	hmmm current svn bootloader hangs on bootloader usb on my h380 :/
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14:56:56	Davide-NYC	petur: shoot me an email of you need me to do anything with CF cards, etc.
14:57:08	Davide-NYC	good luck!
14:57:10	petur	it's ok
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15:07:33	rasher	bluebrother: we have vid/pids for e200v2
15:08:27	bluebrother	rasher: noticed it. Will check how to integrate that best.
15:09:22	bluebrother	as we can identify all players by vid / pid we could add a notification upon startup if an unsupported player is found
15:09:41	bluebrother	or no supported player. As we don't need to identify the player exactly at that stage
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15:12:33	petur	hmmm I get I04:IllInstr at 003F3002 in the bootloader from time to time. the map file says this is near remove_from_list_tmo (threading code)
15:16:36	petur	errr make that add_to_list_tmo
15:18:54	amiconn	'near' doesn't tell much, as the map file doesn't show static functions, and also the entries aren't in order
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15:21:38	amiconn	If you found the module where the crash happens: (1) calculate offset_in_module = crash_address - module_start_address. (2) do [arch]-elf-objdump -d [module].o >[module]_dis.S (3) Open the disassembly in an editor, and go to offset_in_module
15:22:17	amiconn	Then you know the exact function, and if you try to follow the instruction flow, even the line of C code within that function
15:22:39	petur	testing a new build so it needs to crash again
15:22:44	amiconn	Just take care that gcc does some instruction reordering at higher -O levels
15:23:44	petur	If I add a printf() at the start of init_and_check() then my bootloader doesn't hang...
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15:28:36	petur	argh.. still hangs
15:29:09	amiconn	Hmm, 003F3002 is at the end of ROM. I wonder why the bootloader is jumping there...
15:29:24	amiconn	It's nowhere within the bootloader
15:29:52	petur	it is a modified bootloader, not complete svn!
15:31:06	amiconn	still
15:31:54	amiconn	The bootloader is running from iram afaik, i.e. addresses are in the 0x400xxxxx range
15:32:50	petur	is the code copied to iram? I thought it just ran out of flash
15:33:52	amiconn	Hmm, I thought it is copied... I might be wrong though
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15:40:46	gevaerts	I've been thinking about the problem where rockbox goes into USB mode when plugged in to a wall charger. I think the correct solution is to stay in "normal" mode (i.e. UI functional and disk usable) until the OS does SCSI commands. At that point, rockbox switches to USB mode. Until is done, TEST_UNIT_READY returns FAIL. This behaviour is similar to that of a disk that can't do anything until it has finished spinning up, so OSes should handle it c
15:40:54	gevaerts	...cleanly.
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15:44:12	gevaerts	A similar approach would be to use ALLOW_PREVENT_MEDIUM_REMOVAL for this, but I think it's harder to get right, and it forces us to present removable devices. OTOH this approach would make it possible to go back to "normal" mode without unplugging, or even (with (maybe lots) more work) to handle different disks separately (i.e. allow to play music from internal storage while the OS is using the sd card)
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15:48:00	gevaerts	We can use ALLOW_PREVENT_MEDIUM_REMOVAL anyway to indicate to the user if it's safe to unplug. This would obviously require some UI work
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16:19:34	gevaerts	Some people don't understand rockbox licensing very well : http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15724.0
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16:24:14	Horschti	well, where can I buy it then?
16:24:16	Horschti	;)
16:25:17	*	gevaerts sells a license for the full version to Horschti for loads of money
16:25:58	ender`	i want it, too, i want it too! :)
16:26:20	*	gevaerts smells business
16:26:38	Horschti	yay, business
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16:29:04	gevaerts	It does feel a bit weird to have this developer badge right above my post count of 3
16:29:15	petur	heh
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16:52:50	soap	I sent a polite reply to the reporter of BigBambi.
16:53:12	BigBambi	As I removed his post?
16:53:26	BigBambi	soap: Who was it from?
16:54:24	BigBambi	I've just got a couple of entirely random PMs from him too
16:54:44	BigBambi	Ah no, different person
16:55:35	BigBambi	heh, actually same person hates me for two different things now :)
16:58:17	*	gevaerts admires people who can handle this kind of forum users for months or years without getting burned out
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16:59:36	BigBambi	gevaerts: For me it is just trying not to reply immediately when someone says something that makes me cross (although I don't always manage that)!
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17:03:13	gevaerts	BigBambi: reply a bit more to his posts, maybe he'll go away ;-)
17:03:28	BigBambi	I'll give it a go!
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17:08:09	BigBambi	gevaerts: Haha, he has blocked PMs from me :) That just means he will get no explanation when his random posts get deleted :)
17:08:43	gevaerts	His choice I guess
17:08:59	Horscht	who was it?
17:09:16	BigBambi	Horscht: Just someone in the forum
17:09:39	BigBambi	Who took offence at one of my replies, and me deleting first an abusive then an irrelevant post
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17:10:18	Horscht	oh, generic forum troll, then?
17:10:36	BigBambi	on his way
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17:11:37	BigBambi	Febs: you there?
17:11:50	*	petur wonders if gevaerts is also forum mod already
17:11:50	BigBambi	gevaerts: done!
17:12:00	BigBambi	petur: He is developer, yes
17:12:23	petur	ah, it is a profile thing
17:12:59	BigBambi	Different groups give different badges and different powers, e.g. admin, global mod, developer, expert
17:14:00	gevaerts	I do think I'd better leave modding to others though. People might find it strange if their posts get moved or removed by this 3-post newbie
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17:14:40	BigBambi	They don't know who deletes it
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17:15:00	BigBambi	And you clearly aren't a newbie in that sense as you are good enough to have commit rights!
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17:15:54	gevaerts	They do know who sends them the polite PM though, and they probably don't know what these "commit rights" are
17:16:19	Horscht	allows you to commit crimes, durrr
17:16:41	Acorn	hmm, are there any downsides to charging using usb (h300), is it bad for the player or battery life in any way?
17:16:41	gevaerts	Like crashing Vista and OSX ?
17:17:04	Horscht	OSX crashed as well=
17:17:24	Horscht	goddamnit, 90% of the time i want to hit ?, i hit = instead
17:17:27	BigBambi	gevaerts: True, but I still wouldn't worry.
17:19:10	gevaerts	USB storage crashes OSX 10.5, yes. I don't really know why right now (I thought I knew, but I fixed that, and it still doesn't work)
17:20:03	amiconn	It looks like your latest scsi work made detection on windows a lot faster
17:20:28	amiconn	(if it works at all, i.e. when connected to the root hub)
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17:20:47	Hodapp	gevaerts: another reason for me to not upgrade to Leopard...
17:21:18	gevaerts	amiconn: that's good news. As far as I know SCSI should now be correct
17:24:05	amiconn	Unfortunately I did not find anything in the apple diskmode inits that fixes the apparent signal quality issue
17:24:51	amiconn	My local version has no #if CONFIG_CPU == PP5020 anymore though
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17:26:50	gevaerts	I think it's best to just commit that change. I have it here as well.
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17:38:59	Ohm	Llorea1: I spoke to the people in my course that are doing an alternative design for the rockbox playlist creating/editing
17:39:12	amiconn	It's not only that #if removed, but also a bit of cleanup
17:39:14	Ohm	they'll come here and make the results available for you when they're done
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17:41:42	gevaerts	amiconn: I commited the #ifdef removal. Hardware initialization is not really my area of expertise anyway, so I'll leave it to you.
17:45:10	fyrestorm	gevaerts: it doesnt seem that my ipod 5th gen charges while in rockbox usb mode. i dont know if its because the battery is dying on me or because if its just cause usbstack isnt completed. clarify?
17:45:38	fyrestorm	currently using my gf's ipod nano with it and charging has been fine
17:46:02	amiconn	Afaik we don't control the battery charger, so the charging current will just be ~100mA
17:46:27	amiconn	...which isn't much more than what the device consumes while operating. So it will charge, but very slowly
17:46:53	fyrestorm	amiconn: my battery drains out though
17:46:59	fyrestorm	so it must be the battery itself?
17:49:32	gevaerts	fyrestorm: the USB stack runs with the CPU "boosted", i.e. at maximum clock frequency (because otherwise high speed doesn't seem to work). That's combined with disk activity if you are actively copying files, and (maybe) backlight, depending on your settings. If it really only charges at 100mA, I wouldn't be surprised if it drains.
17:50:30	gevaerts	It shouldn't drain very fast though
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18:06:16	linuxstb	gevaerts: Sorry I haven't been around the last couple of days - will it still be useful for me to do those tests on my ipods?
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18:09:01	gevaerts	linuxstb: Yes. We still don't have a direct comparison of PP5020 and 5021/22 for signal quality, so they will be useful
18:10:15	linuxstb	Can you remind me what you wanted? Build with high-speed USB and then do a large read test and see how many resets?
18:10:26	fyrestorm	gevaerts: backlight is off and no disk activity is happening while its plugged in
18:10:47	ffm	Are there any plans for a port to the Rio Cari?
18:11:42	gevaerts	linuxstb: something like that. If possible, try different USB ports to find the one with most resets, and do the comparison on that one. If the hypothesis is right, you'll get way more resets on the 5g than on the 4g
18:14:30	gevaerts	fyrestorm: All I know for sure is that my sansa c250 doesn't discharge while connected. As I said though, I'm not a specialist on this.
18:14:39	fyrestorm	gotcha
18:14:48	fyrestorm	once i get the new battery for my 4th gen
18:14:59	fyrestorm	im gonna order a new one for the 5th
18:15:46	gevaerts	fyrestorm: if it charges in the OF, the battery should be fine
18:15:55	fyrestorm	yeah
18:16:08	pixelma	ffm: the ports are started by interested users or owners of a device, it is not planned. Never heard about a Rio Cari port (never heard the name) but to be sure you could search in the "new ports" section of our forums or ask around in a Rio forum or so
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18:17:13	fyrestorm	gevaerts: trying to make a database in rb drains it out though, someone here told me the battery was going out, so i was wondering if the two were connected in some way
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18:18:16	fyrestorm	once i get a new one i'll be able to check it out :)
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18:26:38	LeGreffi3R	hello there
18:26:57	LeGreffi3R	I've got kind of a weird trouble...
18:28:00	LeGreffi3R	I used my ipod as an installation disk (so i put another bootloader) since then i can't seem to get the rock box on...
18:28:15	LeGreffi3R	i have the apple exclamative folder
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18:28:56	LeGreffi3R	i tried every ipodpatcher/dd/rbutils/ (did i miss one?)
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18:29:15	LeGreffi3R	but no way , the ipod doesn"t boot
18:29:33	LeGreffi3R	(i have no itunes to make a factory reset)
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18:32:47	monkeysareusforu	hey guys
18:33:11	monkeysareusforu	anyone there? :\
18:34:05	ffm	pixelma: kk. Is progress being made on the iPod port in the enc firmwares?
18:34:17	krazykit	monkeysareusforu, please read the guidelines linked in the topic
18:34:28	krazykit	LeGreffi3R, you tried doing the ipod manual restore, you mean?
18:35:06	LeGreffi3R	i tried several dd and script
18:35:09	pixelma	ffm: haven't heard of anyone working on it
18:35:10	LeGreffi3R	on the ipod
18:35:31	LeGreffi3R	i think a restore should be the pretty much the same :/
18:35:54	ffm	pixelma: ah. Any idea how I could get starting working on it?
18:36:12	krazykit	LeGreffi3R, did you do this process: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore
18:36:36	monkeysareusforu	can you guys hear me?
18:36:52	krazykit	monkeysareusforu, yes. ask your question
18:36:58	LeGreffi3R	no krazykit, just a part of this :)
18:37:01	monkeysareusforu	thanks
18:37:02	pixelma	ffm: no idea
18:37:05	LeGreffi3R	i give it a try...
18:37:14	monkeysareusforu	i am having trouble playing video files on rockbox for ipod 5.5, 30gb
18:37:32	ffm	scorche\|sh or scorche ping
18:37:35	monkeysareusforu	it says video file is no file, and i cant even play mp3s after, have to reboot in order to play mp3s
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18:38:35	monkeysareusforu	i converteded avi file to mp4 and h264, and still no go ; ;
18:38:54	krazykit	monkeysareusforu, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
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18:39:09	krazykit	rockbox ONLY supports mpeg1 and mpeg2 video, monkeysareusforu
18:39:30	ZeroRules	Does somehere use the PictureFlow plugin?
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18:39:46	monkeysareusforu	0.o thanks
18:40:00	monkeysareusforu	thought it also played mp4 like ipod, thanks a bunch though
18:40:01	*	petur thinks ata-iriver.c lines 39/41 are a bit confusing thanks to a missing 0
18:40:35	ZeroRules	Guys how long does it take to the PictureFlow plugin to first load?
18:41:29	monkeysareusforu	know a really good freeware program to convert batches of files to mpeg-2? lol
18:41:41	ZeroRules	Guys how long does it take to the PictureFlow plugin to first load?
18:41:45	krazykit	monkeysareusforu, there is a link to winff on that wiki page we linked
18:41:58	krazykit	ZeroRules, have patience in waiting for an answer. we saw the question the first time.
18:41:59	monkeysareusforu	you are my hero
18:42:05	PaulJam	ZeroRules: this depends on the number of albums and if the database is loaded to ram.
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18:42:12	linuxstb_	gevaerts: Hmm, I've done some tests with my 5g (copying about 400MB), and no resets at all so far... I'm now trying with a larger directory.
18:42:24	ZeroRules	but on avrage..
18:42:26	linuxstb_	gevaerts: And as I write that, I get a reset...
18:42:42	PaulJam	ZeroRules: on my h300 it usually takes 3-5 minutes (i think)
18:42:51	ZeroRules	but on the first time?
18:43:11	gevaerts	linuxstb_: is that using high-speed ? What USB port are you using ? (front, back, laptop, hub...)
18:43:22	BigBambi	ZeroRules: Took 5 mins or so on my F60
18:43:51	ZeroRules	mine was working for over an hour and nothing happaned.... what should I do?
18:44:06	BigBambi	ZeroRules: Does album art work proerly in the WPS?
18:44:22	BigBambi	and did the database initialise properly?
18:44:36	ZeroRules	no idea, i started the plugin and it got stuck on the prepering artwork screen
18:44:53	BigBambi	So did you already initialise the database?
18:44:57	pixelma	ZeroRules: did you initialise the database at all?
18:44:57	ZeroRules	yes
18:45:01	ZeroRules	yes i did
18:45:31	pixelma	completely with a reboot�
18:45:32	ZeroRules	what do u mean?
18:45:37	pixelma	s/�/?
18:45:39	ZeroRules	oh yeah
18:45:45	ZeroRules	it worked just fine
18:46:01	BigBambi	So you can browse the database, play music from it etc?
18:46:06	ZeroRules	yes
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18:47:41	ZeroRules	any ideas?
18:47:50	pixelma	and the other question: does your album art show up in the WPS?
18:48:03	ZeroRules	what do u mean by that?
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18:48:40	BigBambi	In the WPS, do you see album art
18:49:22	pixelma	just as an indicator to make sure that your album art is stored correctly - it should also work in a while playing screen with album art
18:49:57	linuxstb_	gevaerts: Yes, it's with high-speed (-DUSE_HIGH_SPEED), and it's a front USB port on my Desktop. It seems to be resetting more now though - 5 times in about 4 minutes (whilst copying a 1GB directory). I'm just repeating the test again
18:50:35	ZeroRules	i looked in my .rockbox/wps folder and found no album art..
18:51:01	gevaerts	linuxstb_: maybe you're just lucky to have good quality wiring to your front ports
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18:51:23	BigBambi	ZeroRules: try reading www.rockbox.org/wiki/AlbumArt
18:51:59	BigBambi	1) You need albumart for pictureflow to work 2) Album art doesn't go in the /.rockbox/WPS
18:52:01	linuxstb	gevaerts: How often have others been reporting resets?
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18:53:11	ZeroRules	so where does it go to?
18:53:22	BigBambi	ZeroRules: try reading www.rockbox.org/wiki/AlbumArt
18:53:26	LeGreffi3R	krazykit> seems worst
18:54:10	LeGreffi3R	i wasn"t finished, i had to unmount (to format sdb2 as fat32) , now he just boot and fail endlessly
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18:54:19	gevaerts	linuxstb: I get 5 to 15 per 100MB on c250. amiconn got dozens from browsing the filesystem on a mini 2nd gen
18:54:29	LeGreffi3R	(and the drive make an anormal noise :/)
18:54:50	krazykit	LeGreffi3R, an abnormal noise? um, could you try to describe the noise?
18:55:08	LeGreffi3R	like he read, but with a click
18:55:30	LeGreffi3R	I don't think it's a big deal, he just worked 2 minutes ago
18:55:35	linuxstb	gevaerts: OK, I'm getting nowhere near that many. 5 for the first test with 1GB of data, and 3 resets when I just repeated the test..
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18:56:05	LeGreffi3R	krazykit> now i can't shut it down, can't mount it, he just goes up and down...
18:56:10	linuxstb	gevaerts: But I'll give my ipod color a go now, see if that's noticably different.
18:56:24	gevaerts	linuxstb: just to make sure, that's reading ?
18:56:55	krazykit	LeGreffi3R, you should be able to boot it into emergency disk mode (the instructions ought to be in the wiki or manual; i'm not familiar enough with the ipod to know off the top of my head)
18:56:57	linuxstb	gevaerts: Yes
18:57:15	gevaerts	linuxstb: ok. Let's see what the 4g does
18:57:15	linuxstb	gevaerts: (with Linux as host OS)
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19:00:12	gevaerts	linuxstb: for some reason your nick already made me assume that
19:02:17	linuxstb	gevaerts: Just confirming...
19:02:51	gevaerts	Anyway, host os shouldn't matter. It's just that linux makes it much easier to count these resets than windows
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19:05:31	linuxstb	gevaerts: So far, no resets on my Color...
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19:06:31	gevaerts	linuxstb: if that keeps up, we have two conclusions : (a) you have excellent front-side ports, and (b) the hypothesis that this is a PP5020 vs PP502[12] issue gets a lot stronger
19:07:57	LeGreffi3R	damn it , it's not in lsusb anymore?
19:08:04	LeGreffi3R	what the hell with this?
19:08:24	linuxstb	gevaerts: Just got the first reset - about 800MB into a 1GB transfer...
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19:10:30	linuxstb	LeGreffi3R: Have you forced your ipod into disk mode?
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19:11:03	LeGreffi3R	yeah here it is
19:11:17	gevaerts	linuxstb: I suggest you do it twice (same as the video). If you get only 2 or 3 in total (vs 8 for the video), I think the difference is likely to be significant.
19:11:38	LeGreffi3R	i'm so angry...
19:11:59	linuxstb	gevaerts: Yes, I'm running it again now
19:12:52	Buschel	gevearts: is high speed now working for the combination of ipod and windows?
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19:16:08	gevaerts	Buschel: I think for windows we only have signal quality issues left, which seem to depend on PP5020 vs PP502[12]. PP5020 seems to work pretty well, PP502[12] seems to work well if you have good USB ports.
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19:21:58	LeGreffi3R	i get the message "connect to itunes" , unlike half an hour ago , i had a progress bar with black background and a apple...
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19:24:09	linuxstb	LeGreffi3R: That progress bar is the Apple firmware trying to reflash itself - you should do as it tells you (insert a charger)
19:24:29	LeGreffi3R	insert a charger?
19:24:32	linuxstb	LeGreffi3R: If you interrupt that flashing process (e.g. with MENU+SELECT to reset), then badness happens...
19:24:42	LeGreffi3R	i saw that :)
19:25:42	LeGreffi3R	got it!
19:25:46	LeGreffi3R	at last :/
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19:27:29	LeGreffi3R	i didn't interupt
19:27:39	LeGreffi3R	it went again in up and down
19:28:13	LeGreffi3R	i noticed there are two 5G firmware on the german sit
19:28:17	LeGreffi3R	*site
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19:28:40	BigBambi	Which German site?
19:28:49	LeGreffi3R	http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/
19:29:04	BigBambi	Well, that isn't much to do with here
19:29:50	linuxstb	BigBambi: The IpodManualRestore wiki page links there
19:29:57	BigBambi	Oooops
19:30:00	*	BigBambi apologises
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19:30:27	linuxstb	LeGreffi3R: I think the duplicate firmwares are the same. No idea why Apple publish them with different numbers...
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19:33:08	LeGreffi3R	oh damn this i got the itunes screen again...
19:33:25	LeGreffi3R	gonna try another with itunes
19:33:41	LeGreffi3R	(thank you apple for your so great software...)
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19:38:51	quaal	anyone know where to get new themes/fonts for rockbox
19:39:08	quaal	i like the theme that comes on the new version but it seems like it and all the others are created for miniature fonts
19:39:08	faemir	quaal: use rbutil?
19:39:30	faemir	rbutil can get (some) themes but it gets you all the fonts that you need.
19:39:36	quaal	whenever i use a font that is usable from several feet it makes the screen look retarded
19:39:49	BigBambi	quaal: www.rockbox.org/wiki/WpsGallery or http://rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org/
19:40:14	pixelma	or make your own?
19:40:58	quaal	cool i'll check these out
19:40:59	quaal	thanks
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19:42:41	LeGreffi3R	got it working, thank you :)
19:44:03	krazykit	LeGreffi3R, good to hear :)
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19:59:56	Beta2K	Is eq.c the source for the parametric EQ?
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20:00:23	quaal	hmm
20:00:31	quaal	if they can scroll the next song in the playlist
20:00:46	quaal	it should also be able to scroll the current song?
20:01:02	BigBambi	yes
20:01:08	BigBambi	Does the line have %s in it?
20:01:30	quaal	i havent checked the theme's code
20:01:32	quaal	just loaded it
20:01:33	quaal	the car theme
20:02:03	BigBambi	well, if the line is longer than the screen and isn't scrolling, first thing to do is check if that line is set to scroll in the .wps file
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20:02:25	BigBambi	The theme author may have forgotten, or even not wanted it to scroll
20:02:34	quaal	i see
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20:04:01	Beta2K	Wouldn't suprise me if it's not suposed to scroll...
20:04:34	quaal	yea guess it isnt
20:05:17	quaal	think i found one i like more anyway
20:05:18	quaal	simplex2
20:05:36	gevaerts	I'm trying to figure out why playback stops when USB is plugged in with the appropriate button held. I can't find anything in usb.c to cause that. Are there any playback experts around ?
20:07:51	quaal	hmm
20:08:03	quaal	i think i fixed that problem after installing rockbox on my ipodvideo
20:09:17	quaal	nope guess not
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20:09:28	quaal	guess its only when i plugin to the car charger
20:09:41	Beta2K	gevaerts, what platform, what RB version?
20:10:05	Beta2K	I just did it on my Gigabeat v16457 and it works
20:12:11	gevaerts	Beta2K: I'm working on the USB stack for portalplayer based DAPs. I'm using a sansa c250 myself, but others have reported the same on ipod when using the new stack
20:12:41	quaal	what button am i supposed to press to make the playback continue when i plug it in to computer
20:13:11	gevaerts	quaal: which player ?
20:13:18	quaal	ipood video
20:13:23	Beta2K	Aye, explains why my gigabeat works :)
20:13:34	gevaerts	quaal: menu
20:13:41	quaal	k
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20:14:47	quaal	seems like it worked for me
20:14:57	quaal	it went into this menu thing though that i had to get out of
20:15:22	quaal	but at least its not on the DO NOT DISCONNECT screen
20:16:40	BigBambi	quaal: Please take a look at the manual
20:16:47	BigBambi	It tells you things like that
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20:30:07	gevaerts	linuxstb: did you get more resets ?
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20:33:16	linuxstb	gevaerts: Yes, my Color seems to be resetting about the same amount as the video did - with 5 or 6 tests, the resets ranged from 2 to 6 per test.
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20:35:55	gevaerts	linuxstb: interesting. I think it means that (a) the signal quality is the same for both, or (b) your USB ports are too tolerant to test this properly.
20:39:59	gevaerts	linuxstb: I think it's probably both, so what we're looking for to get signal quality right is not PP5020 vs PP5022 but H10 vs ipod vs sansa.
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20:40:45	linuxstb	My two ipods are my only PP targets, so I can't compare with anything else...
20:42:13	gevaerts	I'm just combining what you see with what amiconn sees on mini 2nd gen vs H10. It's still guessing of course
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20:52:38	soap	gevaerts, It would cause no harm, and might be useful to collect data on motherboard USB chipsets as well? Even going with the signal quality hypothesis perhaps some chipsets deal with a poor signal better than others?
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20:56:24	gevaerts	soap: the big problem with that is that to get meaningful results IMHO you really have to change one parameter at a time, including the exact player used (battery can still be a factor as well), and (maybe) the cable.
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20:57:20	soap	unless your sample size is large enough. Who knows what patterns might emerge?
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21:03:26	gevaerts	That's true of course. But can we get a sample big enough ? The "real" solution would of course be to jus do the official USB electrical tests, but that requires equipment that I doubt many people have available (i.e. a multi-GHz sampling rate scope)
21:03:51	BigBambi	gevaerts: What else do you need?
21:04:08	soap	Where are you physically located?
21:04:59	gevaerts	BigBambi: not much, just some software to put the device in test mode which you can download
21:05:23	BigBambi	I have multi GHz scope, but how do you connect it?
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21:08:04	gevaerts	BigBambi: good question. You'll also need some kind of adapter (the one I can access at work is already set up for that), but I'm not sure how/where to get it. Have a look at http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/#comp_test_procedures for the exact procedures. I guess we don't have to do everything exactly, just a visual comparison with the OF should be sufficient
21:08:39	gevaerts	soap: I'm in Belgium (near Hasselt)
21:09:03	soap	that rules out me getting you a Mini G1 quickly.
21:09:25	gevaerts	Note that I haven't tested the test mode properly yet. I'll do that on monday.
21:09:26	BigBambi	Well, I have access to multi GHz oscilloscopes and delay/pulse generators, so if there is way to attach them I'd be happy to try
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21:10:33	soap	gotta reboot for some tests, be back in a bit.
21:10:35	gevaerts	BigBambi: I guess stripping a cable to access the leads would be sufficient for our purposes, but I know next to nothing about this (I get some help from someone at work on this)
21:10:59	BigBambi	Yes, that would be doable
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21:11:30	BigBambi	Looking at the docs I think I would need instructions along the lines of strip this cable, connect this wire to here etc.
21:12:49	BigBambi	probably not particularly feasible unless we find someone who does it day in day out
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21:14:00	BigBambi	Hmm, there look to be some intermediary PCBs as well
21:14:58	gevaerts	I guess we mainly have to look at D+ and D-, which are green and white.
21:16:12	gevaerts	I'm not sure if we need that PCB. Aftr all, we just want to know if it "looks ok", not if it is really perfect in every way.
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21:16:37	BigBambi	yes, true
21:16:43	gevaerts	But we probably need someone who does this kind of thing regularly to be sure
21:17:07	BigBambi	That's just it, I could look at the signal, but I wouldn't know what I was looking at :)
21:18:58	gevaerts	Well, I guess we can assume that the OF is OK (or nearly), so we compare... USB specifies a set of test modes (that's what this bit of software is for) to get a repeatable signal, so OF and rockbox should really look exactly the same.
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21:19:36	gevaerts	I'll report monday night if the testmode support works. It doesn't make much sense to do much more before that.
21:20:19	gevaerts	BigBambi: Supposing you could do these tests, what players can you check ?
21:21:18	BigBambi	Only E260 (and eventually gigabeat S).
21:21:32	Beta2K	What kind of data are you guys looking for?
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21:21:51	BigBambi	gevaerts: Let me know if I can help, I'm more than happy to try :)
21:22:11	BigBambi	Beta2K: USB signal quality
21:22:33	Beta2K	I've got a 100MHz scope I can take captures with
21:22:38	gevaerts	Beta2K: it looks like our usb stack has signal quality problems on some players, less so on others, and we are trying to find out some more data
21:23:02	BigBambi	Beta2K: From what gevaerts said I think you will need a GHz scope
21:23:06	Beta2K	hum
21:23:09	gevaerts	Beta2K: USB high speed is 480 MBit, so I doubt you can get very far with that
21:23:15	Beta2K	Oye, 2.0 not 1.1
21:23:36	gevaerts	Although 1.1 might of course also show the problem
21:23:52	*	gevaerts checks the scope requirements for 1.1
21:24:23	Beta2K	1.1 is 11MBit so 22Mhzish
21:25:41	gevaerts	Sponsored Links
21:25:53	*	gevaerts makes another paste error...
21:25:58	Beta2K	hehehe
21:26:08	*	BigBambi stops trying to decipher gevaerts' comment :)
21:28:12	gevaerts	They specify two possile scopes, both 1GHz+. If our problems are just signal level, and not noise, I guess 100MHz would be plenty for full speed. What players do you have access to ?
21:29:07	Beta2K	Gigabeat F and I should be able to track down a iPod
21:29:21	BigBambi	Gigabeat F doesn't use the new stack
21:29:26	Beta2K	I know
21:29:50	BigBambi	So using it to look at signal strength problems with the new stack is not so useful then
21:29:50	Beta2K	I'll grab a friends ipod and grab some captures
21:29:58	Beta2K	What kind of capture do you want?
21:31:10	Beta2K	Any point in a data stream?
21:31:41	gevaerts	We want to know if the signal looks the same in the OF as in rockbox (levels, edge sharpness,...). USB specifies a test mode that can get you a repeatable signal, which you can pu
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21:32:03	gevaerts	My backspace and enter are too close together...
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21:32:47	gevaerts	You can put the device in test mode using software which is at http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/#comp_test_procedures (we probably want TEST_PACKET)
21:32:55	BigBambi	gevaerts: whilst you are moving them you should remove that shortcut to halt you have too :)
21:34:09	gevaerts	That's actually more realistic :-) Some more command history configuration should fix that I guess
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21:36:40	gevaerts	Beta2K: I'm not sure if the test mode works properly in the current rockbox code (not really tested yet)
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21:39:04	desowin	regarding sansa e200 starnge noise - could anyone familiar with this port check if buffers doesn't cover with some audio hardware registers/cache? I get very specific noise when copying file
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21:40:51	desowin	and that noise seems to be different when copying different files
21:49:02	Beta2K	So anyone around know much about the parametric EQ?
21:49:52	Bagder	Beta2K: that's preglow's area
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22:02:20	Beta2K	Ok
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22:19:30	petur	oh spring cleanup
22:19:54	scorche	it is good to clear it out every now and again
22:20:21	scorche	people tend to stop trying after a few weeks of being banned, and you never know what happens with IPs...
22:20:31	petur	indeed
22:23:56	Bagder	"the most recent build took 4mins 19secs" <= coolness
22:25:49	desowin	for every target?
22:26:07	Bagder	that was the 71 builds, all targets
22:26:53	desowin	so just few seconds per build, wow
22:27:07	Bagder	we have 18 fine servers now
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22:38:18	amiconn	petur: Leading zeroes...
22:39:20	petur	hrrr
22:39:32	petur	yes, leading zeroes :)
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23:03:51	Beta2K	Bagder, would any more servers be useful?
23:04:12	Bagder	sure, as long as they're fast
23:05:42	Beta2K	2ghz G5 fast enough?
23:05:59	Bagder	I'd guess so
23:07:41	gevaerts	Are the requirements for a server documented somewhere ?
23:07:55	Beta2K	Yeah
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23:08:04	JdGordon	Bagder: once I get my boxes im 2 servers will be at jdgordon.info:9922 and :9822
23:08:15	JdGordon	99 will be the quad core again
23:08:17	Bagder	gevaerts: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuildServer
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23:09:30	Bagder	JdGordon: great!
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23:10:22	Beta2K	oooh, quad :)
23:12:37	Bagder	btw, you can check the build times in the build table to get a feel for what the performances are for the existing servers
23:14:18	Horscht	quad core is so 2007. I want octalcore!
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23:17:49	gevaerts	I have a core2 duo 1.8 GHz on an ADSL connection (about 400kbps uplink I guess) that I can put a chroot on.
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23:18:38	JdGordon	Bagder: we gonna try with the mac?
23:19:33	Bagder	if it builds fine, why not?
23:20:18	Beta2K	Is the bootloader built with make all?
23:20:36	JdGordon	it has those empty object messages... but if thy show up as warning they can be fixed properly anyway
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23:24:08	Bagder	Beta2K: you need to select bootloader at configure time
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23:24:52	Beta2K	Ok
23:24:55	Beta2K	Thanks :)
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23:30:56	gevaerts	Bagder: I'll look into setting up a build server here, but I first have to work out some security considerations (it's not in a DMZ, and I don't really like the idea of giving someone I don't personally know access to my network, so it needs some work)
23:31:52	Bagder	fair enough, just let me know if/when you get something up!
23:34:22	amiconn	Roflol, I don't believe it!
23:34:53	*	amiconn digged in the uclinux sources to check whether/how they detect the difference between hdd and cf, and found this:
23:35:18	amiconn	http://cvs.uclinux.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/uClinux-2.4.x/drivers/ide/ide-probe.c?rev=1.17;content-type=text%2Fplain , function drive_is_flashcard()
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23:35:42	Bagder	hahaha
23:35:58	amiconn	They actually check for the model name, unless the card has the proper CF signature
23:36:26	Bagder	well, that code is ancient
23:36:38	Bagder	"Mar 05, 2003"
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23:37:19	gevaerts	You could improve on that by 'printf("Press menu if you have a CF card, power if you have a hard disk");'
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23:38:45	Yallii	hey
23:38:57	Yallii	what does it mean when a codec is converted to "fixed point"
23:39:03	amiconn	Bagder: I can't find any newer code in uclinux though. I also could not find browseable linux (non-uc) sources
23:39:23	Bagder	well, that's the 2.4 kernel in uclinux
23:39:29	Bagder	they also have a 2.6 tree
23:39:36	Bagder	which is bound to be newer
23:40:17	amiconn	No 2.6.x here: http://cvs.uclinux.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/
23:40:23	Bagder	http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24.3/drivers/ide/
23:40:29	Bagder	amiconn: then it's broken
23:40:47	Llorean	Yallii: It means most / all of the relevant math is performed using fixed point math rather than floating point data types.
23:40:50	Bagder	since if you download a uclinux dist, you get both 2.4 and 2.6 trees included
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23:41:29	Bagder	0x848a = CompactFlash device
23:41:34	Bagder	These are not removable in Linux definition of the term
23:41:38	Yallii	Llorean: a positive thing, right?
23:41:40	Bagder	http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24.3/drivers/ide/ide-probe.c#L228
23:41:59	Bagder	traces of the older logic I guess
23:42:13	Llorean	Yallii: In reference to Rockbox, yes. The devices can't really do floating point calculations fast at all, so it's necessary for realtime operation.
23:42:42	Bagder	or perhaps not...
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23:44:00	petur	amiconn: I had come across that code too but didn't stand still too long, looked quite silly
23:44:00	Yallii	Llorean: I did some googling concerning Realaudio and Rockbox and came across an IRC log where it was mentioned by linuxstb that the realaudio cook decoder was converted to fixed-point
23:44:00	amiconn	No CF detection there (apart from using the signature to decide whether it's removable)
23:44:36	*	amiconn will have a look into the new ide-disk.c, to check how they do suspend now
23:44:36	Yallii	Llorean: I'm not 'educated' enough to figure out what that means though ;-)
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23:46:42	amiconn	Imho this linux driver code is quite difficult to understand compared to rockbox
23:48:48	Llorean	Yallii: It just means it's converted to fixed point. We can't use it because of licensing concerns.
23:50:50	Yallii	Llorean: distributing it as the whole package or actually using it?
23:51:41	Llorean	Distributing it as part of Rockbox.
23:52:11	Yallii	is there a possibility for me to add it to my own player then?
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23:52:52	Llorean	If you're aC programmer and have time to do the necessary work, I don't see why not.
23:53:17	Yallii	you might have gathered that I'm not a programmer at all ;-)
23:53:25	Yallii	thanks for the answers
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23:58:43	Beta2K	Is there a API doc pertaining to things like checking button bresses?

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