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#rockbox log for 2008-03-01

00:00:03lImbussnowwee, at about 1:04-1:06 you see it's a video beeing played
00:00:22krazykitsnowwee, no, i said your ipod, only the original apple firmware works. no alternate firmwares exist for that ipod.
00:00:36snowweefcuk :/
00:00:53snowweein future maybe be some alternative
00:01:16lImbusthey did a proper job this time, I've been told
00:01:18scorche|shwell, one cant say either way
00:02:10scorche|shlImbus: well, it hasnt really been researched in depth...who knows what someone might find if they looked into it deeper?
00:03:13lImbusof course
00:03:17lImbuscould happen
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00:04:35snowweewhy when i try to
00:04:38snowweeupdate ipod i have
00:04:43snowweeThis version of the ipod software (1.1) is the current version
00:04:50snowweebut i think 1.1. is not newest version
00:05:07scorche|shsnowwee: this channel is about rockbox and rockbox only
00:05:19Domonoky_snowwee: ask apple, we are only interested in rockbox here..
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00:09:24lImbusI reckon there are a LOT of fake "hacked" iphone videos on youtube
00:09:36pondlifepixelma: The playback_update_lpo_late.patch on fixes the double-skip. I don't know if it still fixes the problem though (not yet).
00:10:29pixelmalImbus: the best is mentioned on the GoldenQuotes wikie page =)
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00:10:46pixelmapondlife: will try
00:11:05pondlifeI'm about 2 tracks from a rebuffer :)
00:11:20lImbushehe, funny page, thanks marianna
00:11:41pondlifeI need to see if auto change dir is working still too... I bet it's borked.
00:12:42pixelmapondlife: do I need to revert the old patch, the newer looks so short...
00:12:57pondlifeThis is a patch against current SVN
00:13:17pondlifeThe old patch was two parts, I was trying them both at once.
00:13:38pondlifeI've split them out now - one has no effect but does make the code simpler.
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00:18:05pondlifepixelma: Looks good - it rebuffered ok...
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00:25:57pondlifeAuto-change dir seems to work still, I think I'll get committing
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00:29:08pixelmapondlife: what about manual track skip? (still have 2.5 tracks to go...)
00:29:17pondlifeSeems fine to me
00:29:38pondlifeI skipped madly forward and backward, across directories too.
00:29:51pondlifeMy main limitation is that all tracks are CBR MP3
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00:30:02pondlifeSo other formats might reveal more
00:30:12pixelmamine are vbr mp3s
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00:32:01pixelmaI think I could also test with some aacs but not sure if the problem occured in that folder before (I had at least one of the others that worked correctly yesterday)
00:32:26pondlifeI suspect it'll happen most with FLACs
00:34:12pixelmahmm... took my 2 wavs off last weekend (wasted quite some space if you only have about 3GB storage...)
00:34:36pondlifeHmm, the build table diffs aren't working... for example...
00:35:25pixelmagevaerts already mentioned that earlier
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00:41:34pixelmapondlife: test was successfull :)
00:41:50pondlifeOK, try some other skipping etc. to break it.
00:41:57pondlifeI've committed it anyway... ;)
00:43:04lImbusBagder, do you want to log in to my build server manually like you did last time to test before the first build goes red ?
00:43:28pixelmapondlife: yes, already saw. Manual track skipping is alright too - manual dir skip too - for auto-change directory I have to enable the setting first
00:44:48BagderlImbus: you haven't checked out svn in the home dir
00:45:22lImbusI did it in ~
00:45:29lImbusbut it created ~/trunk
00:45:34lImbusI did not dare to move it
00:45:41lImbusI'll do
00:46:19BagderlImbus: and I find no ccache...
00:46:30lImbusah, yes
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00:46:38lImbusI wanted to add that yet
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00:47:34pixelmapondlife: auto-change dir when it reached the end of the playlist by playing (forwarded in the last track) worked alright but I was able to confuse it when I manually skipped forward from the beginning of the last track in the directory
00:47:54pondlifeHmm, I tried that
00:48:28pondlifeI went from the last track in one dir into the first track in the next and back again, many times.
00:48:33pondlifeWorked ok
00:48:39pixelmait plays but somehow this last track is now the first track in the new playlist (maybe the one that should actually play is missing)
00:49:31lImbusBagder, both fixed now
00:49:50lImbusexcept that I do not find where to specify ccache in acbuild, as the wikipage says
00:49:51pondlifepixelma: Sorry, can you come up with a "recipe".
00:50:41pixelmawhen I skip forward (to the 2nd) and back again it still plays this track, the playlist looks alright though. I think it doesn't happen every time...
00:51:27pondlifee.g. Skip to the last track, then skip forward again.?
00:52:25pondlifeThere can be a few seconds delay while buffering catches up, but I can't get it out of sync.
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00:53:49gevaertsThe init sequence that low_light pasted seems to be missing some bits
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00:53:55pixelmapondlife: seems I can repeat it now by quickly skipping to the last track and then one more
00:54:33pondlifeIf I do that I end up on the first track of the next dir
00:54:36pondlifeWhat do you get?
00:55:02BagderlImbus: the svn checkout still isn't fine, "svn up" in the home dir doesn't work
00:56:06amiconnIs that the moved checkout?
00:56:45pixelmapondlife: I get the last track of the previous folder showing as first track of the new playlist (e.g. next folder has 8 tracks, it'll be the first track of 8, the real one doesn't play then i.e. it'll go on correctly with track 2)
00:57:11pondlifeOn Sansa?
00:57:25pondlifeI'm only using the sim at the moment
00:57:36pixelma^this is how it shows in the WPS and what is playing, playlist looks ok - yes on my c250
00:58:29lImbuswhere does the svn-client store meta-data ?
00:58:41pondlifeI wonder if the remaining special case for auto-change dir is actually required any more?
00:59:03pondlifeIt should be handled by the playlist code alone
01:00:09pondlifeCould you perhaps see if the same problem happens without that patch (or last commit)?
01:00:26pondlifeI've got to go now, but will check the logs
01:01:32gevaertslImbus: in .svn
01:01:52lImbusthat's what I expected
01:01:58lImbusbut there was no
01:02:11lImbusanyway, I think I found my initial mistake
01:02:46*lImbus is currently checking out with the tiny little dot as last char in the command...
01:03:17lImbusand now it already created a .svn
01:03:22lImbusjust taking one more minute
01:03:44pixelmapondlife: but thanks for the nice improvement already, wouldn't have noticed the auto-change dir thing because I usually don't use this feature... :)
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01:05:07lImbusBagder: now there be light, err, build :)#
01:06:10Bagderyeps, things look good
01:06:29lImbusthanks for assistance
01:06:39lImbusI will refine the BuildServer-Page now
01:06:46lImbusand wait for the next commit
01:07:03pixelmaBagder: can you check what's wrong with the commit links from the build table?
01:07:16Bagderyeah, I fixed them already
01:07:24Bagderjust waiting for a commit to confirm
01:07:42pixelmaI see
01:07:59Bagderit was the switch to the single svnlog script that broke it
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01:12:24lImbusBagder, wiki page updated to my content
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01:15:42pixelmapondlife (for the logs): same thing happens without the patch, revision 16454
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01:32:15lImbusallright, me also needs to go to bed
01:32:21lImbusCeBIT is far too close :(
01:32:40lImbusgood night fellas, I'll monitor the build logs tomorrow
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01:42:14Bagderlimbus' server failed...
01:42:25Bagderthe sdl builds
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01:54:07TheBasharMy c250 is playing a large playlist in shuffle mode. It was doing fine for 20 minutes but now has started playing only the first 30s-1m of a song before skipping to the next track. Anybody ever heard of this problem before?
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01:54:44lImbusforgot aboud sdl :(
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01:55:18LloreanTheBashar: Are you using a current SVN build?
01:55:33TheBasharLlorean: Yes, from yesterday.
01:55:43Lloreanthat's not current
01:55:57LloreanWhen I say "Current SVN build" I mean "the build at the link titled 'Current Build'"
01:56:28TheBasharLlorean, no it's about 14 hours old.
01:56:32LloreanIt's not a laughing matter.
01:56:42LloreanThere are often a wide range of changes in one day's time. Or in this case half a day.
01:56:49LloreanSeveral of them have been playback related.
01:57:10TheBasharLlorean: Do you recommend trying the current and checking back.
01:57:17LloreanIt's important to be reporting with a current build, because we tell you clearly in the guidelines to do so, and sometimes we'll assume you actually know to. So if you report a bug that should be fixed, we'll think the fix didn'tw ork.
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01:58:28LloreanTheBashar: I don't "recommend" it. We require you be running it, so we know it's an actual current bug.
01:59:04LloreanMake sure to use the "Current Build" link and not the archived Daily build, too.
01:59:27TheBasharLlorean: I was really asking "has anybody heard of this problem" so then I could take the next step.
01:59:35webguest20why isnt the pong multipulse patch being commited???
02:00:09LloreanTheBashar: Why not verify that the bug's still around *before* asking if people have heard of it?
02:00:33LloreanOften there will be several variants of a single problem, depending on playback habits. And the fix will clear up all of them, even ones we haven't heard about yet.
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02:00:39Lloreanwebguest20: Which flyspray number?
02:00:59TheBasharLlorean: Didn't seem like the appropriate order to me when working off a < 24 hours old build. But now I know better.
02:01:21LloreanThe playback code has gone under significant work in just the last 4 hours.
02:02:41pixelmaTheBashar: there's been a fix of a playback bug 1.5 hours ago...
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02:03:05pixelmamaybe it's affected the behaviour you saw too
02:03:37TheBasharpixelma: Yes, I saw that in svn but the description didn't sound the same. I'll give it a go once the build tree turns green.
02:04:07LloreanTheBashar: You're not using a sim build, those errors won't affect you
02:04:13webguest20Llorean, 5855 flyspray
02:04:35pixelmaLlorean: ?
02:04:51Lloreanpixelma: All the red in the build table only relates to sim builds.
02:05:24pixelmaoh, the red in the build table... didn't see that
02:06:15Lloreanwebguest20: You said that already, stop spamming
02:06:43LloreanMy guess is that it hasn't been committed because it's not particularly interesting to any core dev, and right now it's very hard coded.
02:06:51LloreanIt seems like it should be optional.
02:09:50lImbusthe sdl on my build server is fixed now, the wiki page mentions it
02:09:58lImbusi'll really go to bed now :/
02:10:09lImbusgood night²
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02:46:10Strife89Would someone help me figure out if I've coded a few C lines correctly?
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02:46:38Strife89(I'll submit them if someone says yes, but not before then.)
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02:54:27LloreanStrife89: If nobody answers, nobody answers. Just have patience, but this isn't really a generic C help channel, so i hope you're asking rockbox specific questions.
02:54:51Strife89How the heck do I go over to #rockbox-community.
02:55:11Mode"#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
02:55:16LloreanSame way you always pick a channel in IRC...
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02:55:33Strife89Which I know nothing of how to do.
02:55:35LloreanAnother piece of information Google is good for.
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02:56:19Strife89Fine, fine, I'll Google it.....
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03:04:33Strife89Oh, Llorean sent me to research my own question.
03:05:27LloreanMainly because the guidelines for the channel tell you to search first...
03:06:30Strife89Sorry. :-[
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03:09:10Strife89Rokbox question: isn't there an MIDI to WAV plugin?
03:10:08LloreanThere's a MIDI playback plugin that could be modified to be one.
03:10:25Strife89I'm using the playback plugin now.
03:10:47Strife89I understand it's slow (ish) on Portal Player targets.
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03:12:23Strife89I get a number of buffer misses when a lot of instruments play at once, but other than that, it runs well.
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04:10:35quaalwhy is it that i have to restart my ipod like 1/3 times because the top button fails to turn it on
04:10:39quaalhave an ipod video
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04:14:44soapI've always used the middle button (Select)
04:15:16soapI was not aware the middle button would cause the iPod to boot.
04:15:51quaali said the top button
04:15:54quaalmenu i think
04:16:16soapyea, s/middle/Menu/ the second time I said it.
04:18:33quaaland these microscopic fonts are ridiculous
04:18:42quaalwho would use this
04:19:21LloreanThere's a wide selection of available fonts.
04:19:30soapdid you install the font pack as mentioned in the install instructions?
04:20:02quaalpretty sure
04:20:06quaali have a whole list of them
04:20:23quaali like snap but wish i could make it a larger size
04:20:28soapdid your iPod video default to a microscopic font?
04:20:53quaalrockbox default is pretty micro
04:21:20quaalonly ones that are really useable, like when driving a car is profont 22+
04:21:30soapso the fact a microscopic font is provided as an option is a problem?
04:21:36Lloreanquaal: When did you first install Rockbox?
04:21:46quaalLlorean, couple months ago maybe
04:21:57LloreanAh, you're not talkign about the current default then
04:22:00soapthat font is no longer the default.
04:22:28quaaldidnt know it updated that often
04:22:32quaalguess i'll try to upgrade
04:22:45LloreanRockbox is updated several times a day, usually
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04:23:04soapit doesn't. But a couple of months is a very long time - especially in iPod land lately.
04:23:25quaalall i know is this is my first and last apple product
04:23:27LloreanBy "it" I think soap means "the theme or appearance"
04:23:34soapyou will get 50% better battery life, likely.
04:24:05quaalthats good to hear
04:24:23soapyou're waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay behind.
04:24:45quaalyea looks like select turns it on also
04:25:09quaali have rockbox version r15981-071230
04:25:52quaallooks like r16460 is the latest
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05:44:40TheHatedOnequite active in here lol
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05:46:13TheHatedOnewell i tried looking around a bit and i dont want to spend 10 hours searching to find out if i can play it or not so here goes: can i play different video files (such as avi/ogm/mkv) with rockbox?
05:46:24TheHatedOnemm k thx
05:46:29Lloreanyou can only play mpeg1 and mpeg2 video, exactly as the manual says.
05:46:39TheHatedOnedoes it? where abouts
05:46:44TheHatedOnemaybe i can find some more about vid files
05:47:32LloreanThe section on mpegplayer...
05:48:07TheHatedOneoddly enough that's not a section? is that in the ipod vid manual as well?
05:48:36LloreanPlease use whole words. Some people depend on machine translation, and if you arbitrarily cut off parts of words, it won't work.
05:48:48TheHatedOneipod video manual as well*
05:48:51LloreanThe channel guidelines make an attempt to explain this requirement. If you haven't read them, I suggest you do.
05:48:58LloreanAnd yes, it should be in the iPod Video manual, in the plugin section.
05:49:27TheHatedOneahh looked like all games:P
05:49:33TheHatedOneso i passed it over
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05:52:36x86iahi,any news about DevCon 2008?
05:53:09LloreanJust what's on the wiki.
05:53:39x86iaim thinking to go to the DevCon west 2008
05:53:54x86iabut it may dont fit in the budget i have
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06:15:45Ouzinwhat mp3 naming scheme do you guys use? I think i'd used artist - album - track number - song title, but that is a lot of work considering I have everything broken up in folders anyway. comments?
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08:03:30csshihdoes anyone know where I can get a old ipodpatcher.exe ?
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08:38:52SpiritsoulxAnyone know where I can find backdrops?
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09:38:50Soul-BurnWPS backdrops don't seem to work on the ipod photo, using latest firmware, default wpss
09:42:24Soul-Burnit's more than that. it seems like WPS loading won't load almost anything. only the colors and font somtimes and sometimes also the backdrop
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11:01:02peturamiconn: I wanted to copy the identify dump of my mk8007gah and found out I already had a dump. But they differ on word 63: 0007 <-> 0407: my drive here now says it is in multiword dma mode 2. Could it be setting pio mode fails?
11:02:42peturDon't know if the original dump came from you or was made when booting with the released bootloader (now booting using the svn one)
11:06:01amiconnI don't think that matters
11:08:37petursvn bootloader no longer boots my h380, but adding loads of printf inbetween suddenly makes it boot
11:08:43petursome timing issue
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11:11:59amiconnRegarding your identify dump collection - the dumps weren't really meant for that. You need to clearly mark whether the dump is from a big endian or a little endia target
11:14:33amiconnOn a related matter - 32GB CF cards are available for just ~130 EUR, so I might end up ordering one
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11:18:27peturamiconn: beware of the speed... those cheap cards are slooooow
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11:19:33peturbtw, the identify info is already endianness-corrected, so I do not understand your previous remark
11:21:53amiconnTranscend 133x
11:22:08peturhmmm should be fine then
11:22:50amiconnThe identify info is read into ram in host-endian order
11:22:59amiconnidentifiy_info is an array of short
11:23:53amiconnMy quick hack just dumps that to a file, so on little endian targets, the bytes are pairwise swapped
11:24:32peturok, I'll fix the dump code
11:24:57amiconnBig endian targets need no action, i.e. no extra code
11:25:10amiconnI have an idea how this could be done without too much ifdefing
11:25:26peturwell then you fix it ;)
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11:30:22TheBasharMy c200 is repeatedly experiencing FS #8455. Any devs online that could suggest helpful debugging steps?
11:30:58TheBasharForgot to mention I'm running current build.
11:45:51amiconnpetur: Actually it's really simple; I can just use ecwrite() (originally added by Slasheri for the database)
11:46:34amiconnAlready tested it; works fine
11:47:54peturI probably have some RB time this afternoon to look at my h380 boot problem
11:50:22amiconnShall I put identify dumps of all my ata based devices in the wiki? (they're all hdd though)
11:50:54peturyes, would be nice
11:51:27peturright now it looks like the patch should work fine, must just be sure we don't disable powermanagement on hdd devices
11:52:32amiconnI wonder why (1) the CF cards violate the specs, claiming to support powermanagement and when trying to set it, return with an error and (2) why it doesn't recover from that error
11:53:37amiconnThere is at least one report from a user who put a CF card into a mini and got ata error -80, but he says both OF and ipodlinux work fine
11:54:37amiconnIpodlinux doesn't seem to care much about power consumption, so I think they just don't touch the powermanagement setting, but I would expect the OF to use it when available
11:55:01*n1s throws an empty bottle at the playlist code
11:55:37amiconnWell, unless the iPod Mini OF doesn't do it, because the microdrive probably behaves similar to real CF
11:55:58amiconnWould be interesting to see whether the OF of a fullsize iPod can handle CF
11:56:09n1sThis disk spinning on trackchange only happens when playing playlists, not dirs...
11:56:42peturamiconn: why do you say it doesn't recover from the error? Rockbos doesn't, but if I only log errors it works fine. It doesn't recover from the soft reset though...
11:57:29amiconnEven less understandable... Iiuc, soft reset is a mandatory feature
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11:58:16amiconnn1s: Hmm, that would explain why I never saw that effect. But I don't think the playlist code is the culprit, as *iirc* it doesn't do that either on hwcodec
11:59:15peturthere are two resets, we use the soft one, the other one is of course similar to hard reset and requires reconfiguration
11:59:19n1sI think it's a quite new bug or would like to think so, running the sim it opens the next file in the playlist on trackchange even if it is in the buffer...
11:59:49amiconnThen it's most probably a buffering bug
12:00:46amiconnpetur: Did you try the latter?
12:01:17peturthe nano suffers the same
12:01:28amiconnMaybe the "soft-soft" reset on the problematic CF cards actually behaves like the one that does require reconfiguration
12:01:35amiconnI know
12:01:50peturto be tested...
12:02:38amiconnThe nano essentially *is* a CF based target. Just without the standard package around the flash chips
12:03:15amiconnSo if we find a proper fix, the nano hack can go away too
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12:11:18*n1s files an FS task
12:14:36peturthe nano also identifies as 044A so my patch in the tracker should already work for it
12:18:57amiconnI've moved the real HDDs to the end of the table, and added the ST660211FX so far
12:19:27amiconnHow does that patch distinguish CF and HDD?
12:22:24peturright now it treats 044A as CF (no power management and no soft-reset)
12:23:17peturmight have to add 848A
12:23:21amiconnMy MK8007 dump differs for identify_info[83] ...
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12:24:33peturit does?
12:24:47amiconn7D09 instead of 7F09
12:24:57amiconnThat's a reserved bit...
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12:25:41peturdifferent firmware versions maybe?
12:26:46peturmine says BG001D
12:27:20amiconnAdding 848A would be bad. The Mini's microdrive also has that
12:27:32peturI know
12:28:13peturso far, all 848A CF cards have 0 in words 82/83, just don't know about the softreset on those cards
12:28:53peturhmmm except my sandisk 1GB
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12:47:02rasherWould it make sense to start a SansaAccessories page? There aren't a lot around, but I figure we might as well document what works and what don't anyway
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13:03:09Davide-NYCpetur: ping
13:03:27rasherDavide-NYC: * petur walks away for a while - back in an hour
13:03:31rasherThat was 30 minutes ago.
13:03:40Davide-NYCrasher: thanks
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13:31:43peturDavide-NYC: pong
13:33:00amiconnpetur: I've added my collection now. I also sorted the table as follows: First all CF cards, alphabetically, then all HDDs, alphabetically, with a slight exception for Toshiba: those are sorted by generation (last digit) first
13:33:02*petur sees his time guessing was accurate.. exactly on hour
13:33:30peturwow, nice table... thanks
13:34:11amiconnIdentify words 7 and 8 might be interesting. They are labels as "reserved for assignment by the CF association" in the ata specs
13:34:39amiconnAll true haddisks show 0000 0000 there. The Mini's microdrive, however, does not
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13:35:36peturmy a-data also shows different values
13:36:32amiconnOf course, that's a CF card...
13:36:43amiconnBut the ST660211FX also has non-zero values there
13:37:04peturCF interface, HDD inside
13:37:23peturmaybe it does its own powermanagement?
13:38:00amiconnNot even CF interface. F-FLEX.
13:38:02peturregarding soft reset: the CF spec says no soft reset after sleep is required, the first command wakes it up
13:38:13amiconnYes, and the ata specs demand it
13:38:50peturoh I can test that on my H10 :)
13:41:04*petur builds for H10 without soft reset
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13:45:25Davide-NYCyou need me to do any testing with my CF cards? I saw something about endian-ness...
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13:47:49peturamiconn: my H10 seems to work fine without the soft reset
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13:49:08peturbah, the H10 is not usable without dircache... bloody slow disk
13:50:06roolku#elif (LCD_WIDTH == 128) && (LCD_HEIGHT == 64)
13:50:15roolkuoops :)
13:57:21JdGordonn1s: hey, I had a suspicion it was dircahce causing extra disk accesses... nice to see thats definatly a cause
13:58:14n1sJdGordon: it only happens when dircache is disabled
13:58:55Nico_Pn1s: thanks for the bug report
13:59:27JdGordonI'm guessing its because of the dircache thread in playlist.c.. i havnt had time to investigate it though
13:59:27n1sthanks for all the fixin'
14:00:06rasherNico_P: queueing up a song during the last few seconds of playback seems to confuse things
14:00:37rasherI guess the workaround is to stop doing anything when less than 10 seconds remain
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14:02:24pixelmamaybe a related thing (I can confirm this)
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14:03:42JdGordonrasher: thats a pretty nasty work around
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14:09:07amiconnpetur: CF does not require a reset for wakeup, but it doesn't prohibit it either. So what the heck is wrong with that??
14:09:20peturyou tell me
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14:12:47amiconnpetur: Hmm, it would be helpful if you (or anyone with a CF card) could extend the table by 2 columns (only applying to CF cards): whether the card fails on soft reset, and whether it fails on setting power management
14:13:13amiconnI have a suspicion what might be going on...
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14:16:47H8ff0000I was hoping someone could help me with something.
14:18:13JdGordonnext door on the left...
14:18:25H8ff0000I have an Ipod Video 30GB, used Rockbox Utility, complete installation went smooth. Went to install a theme by unzipping the theme directly to the root of the Ipod.
14:18:50H8ff0000And it isn't in the Theme List. I'm assuming I did this wrong.
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14:20:51n1sH8ff0000: did you keep the dir structure from the zip so everything went inside the .rockbox dir?
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14:22:04faemirWould people say it's better to update daily or not?
14:22:21H8ff0000I unzipped it directly to the root of the Ipod. In the root of the Ipod I see a folder for the theme.
14:23:24H8ff0000Inside of the glassONgustav folder is a .rockbox folder
14:23:26DomonokyH8ff0000: then it didnt work correctly, the theme zip should have a .rockbox folder with the theme inside..
14:23:30n1sH8ff0000: that's wrong, you should use some "unzip to..." feature and point it to the root of the player , no drag and drop etc
14:24:14H8ff0000I didn't drag.
14:24:38H8ff0000But I think I see whats wrong now.
14:25:31H8ff0000just add the .rockbox folder to the root of the Ipod, correct?
14:26:39amiconnpetur: Word 7 and 8 are the sector count for CF. The ata specs say that a device that either has word 0 set to 0x848a (CF signature), or has word 83 bit 2 set to 1 implements the CFA feature set
14:27:54gevaertsH8ff0000: you should already have a .rockbox directory there, possibly hidden
14:27:59amiconnNow, if the 2 "industrial" cards in the list (which specify neither) do *not* fail at reset and power management, I think we have a solution
14:28:03H8ff0000I do
14:28:38peturamiconn: those cards are at work :(
14:28:53H8ff0000when i unzipped the theme zip to the root of my player, it gave me a folder called gustavONglass. inside of that folder is another folder, .rockbox
14:28:54petur(in fact, they are from a customer)
14:28:55amiconnThat is, if this way of detection don't cause increased power consumption on Mini and H10 small (with disk poweroff *disabled* for testing)
14:29:29DomonokyH8ff0000: the just move the .rockbox dir one up, or rextract it with a sane zip util :-)
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14:30:19*gevaerts wonders why so many unzippers are insane. Remember forgetting to tell pkunzip to handle directories ?
14:30:43peturamiconn: I already changed my code to check words 7 and 8... :)
14:31:10amiconnWhy not just dump the info?
14:32:18H8ff0000Thanks a bunch
14:32:47amiconnI thought you mean for testing cards at work (iirc you said yesterday that you display the values in the bootloader)
14:33:34amiconnAnd those 'simple tech', 'memory corp' and 'toshiba industrial' cards have no associated dumpfile
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14:34:04peturbecause I need to reformat them to FAT32 and copy rb on them. At work they are fat16 and work related stuff on them
14:34:25amiconnThen compile rockbox and the bootloader with fat16 support...
14:34:25peturmaybe I should do the dump...
14:34:54peturwhere is FAT16 enabled?
14:35:12amiconn#define HAVE_FAT16SUPPORT
14:35:19amiconnin the target config file
14:35:51amiconnIn SVN it's defined for Ondios and Sansas
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14:39:54peturit's a real pita that the OF doesn't like the CF card :(
14:40:04*petur gets his spare hdd
14:40:53amiconnSo the iriver OF seems to have the same problem as rockbox...
14:41:14peturit says CHECK HDD
14:41:36peturand once booted, if you browse is shows some garbage
14:46:51peturok, new bl flashed, I'll get a dump of those cards on monday
14:51:31*gevaerts checks ebay to get some more devices for testing. Why do people pay such insane prices ?
14:52:59peturhmmm current svn bootloader hangs on bootloader usb on my h380 :/
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14:56:56Davide-NYCpetur: shoot me an email of you need me to do anything with CF cards, etc.
14:57:08Davide-NYCgood luck!
14:57:10peturit's ok
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15:07:33rasherbluebrother: we have vid/pids for e200v2
15:08:27bluebrotherrasher: noticed it. Will check how to integrate that best.
15:09:22bluebrotheras we can identify all players by vid / pid we could add a notification upon startup if an unsupported player is found
15:09:41bluebrotheror no supported player. As we don't need to identify the player exactly at that stage
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15:12:33peturhmmm I get I04:IllInstr at 003F3002 in the bootloader from time to time. the map file says this is near remove_from_list_tmo (threading code)
15:16:36peturerrr make that add_to_list_tmo
15:18:54amiconn'near' doesn't tell much, as the map file doesn't show static functions, and also the entries aren't in order
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15:19:41*gevaerts prefers objdump −−syms|sort
15:21:38amiconnIf you found the module where the crash happens: (1) calculate offset_in_module = crash_address - module_start_address. (2) do [arch]-elf-objdump -d [module].o >[module]_dis.S (3) Open the disassembly in an editor, and go to offset_in_module
15:22:17amiconnThen you know the exact function, and if you try to follow the instruction flow, even the line of C code within that function
15:22:39peturtesting a new build so it needs to crash again
15:22:44amiconnJust take care that gcc does some instruction reordering at higher -O levels
15:23:44peturIf I add a printf() at the start of init_and_check() then my bootloader doesn't hang...
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15:27:25*petur wonders why his h380 needs some delay before performing ata hard reset
15:28:36peturargh.. still hangs
15:29:09amiconnHmm, 003F3002 is at the end of ROM. I wonder why the bootloader is jumping there...
15:29:24amiconnIt's nowhere within the bootloader
15:29:52peturit is a modified bootloader, not complete svn!
15:31:54amiconnThe bootloader is running from iram afaik, i.e. addresses are in the 0x400xxxxx range
15:32:50peturis the code copied to iram? I thought it just ran out of flash
15:33:52amiconnHmm, I thought it is copied... I might be wrong though
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15:40:46gevaertsI've been thinking about the problem where rockbox goes into USB mode when plugged in to a wall charger. I think the correct solution is to stay in "normal" mode (i.e. UI functional and disk usable) until the OS does SCSI commands. At that point, rockbox switches to USB mode. Until is done, TEST_UNIT_READY returns FAIL. This behaviour is similar to that of a disk that can't do anything until it has finished spinning up, so OSes should handle it c
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15:44:12gevaertsA similar approach would be to use ALLOW_PREVENT_MEDIUM_REMOVAL for this, but I think it's harder to get right, and it forces us to present removable devices. OTOH this approach would make it possible to go back to "normal" mode without unplugging, or even (with (maybe lots) more work) to handle different disks separately (i.e. allow to play music from internal storage while the OS is using the sd card)
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15:48:00gevaertsWe can use ALLOW_PREVENT_MEDIUM_REMOVAL anyway to indicate to the user if it's safe to unplug. This would obviously require some UI work
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16:19:34gevaertsSome people don't understand rockbox licensing very well :
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16:24:14Horschtiwell, where can I buy it then?
16:25:17*gevaerts sells a license for the full version to Horschti for loads of money
16:25:58ender`i want it, too, i want it too! :)
16:26:20*gevaerts smells business
16:26:38Horschtiyay, business
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16:29:04gevaertsIt does feel a bit weird to have this developer badge right above my post count of 3
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16:52:50soapI sent a polite reply to the reporter of BigBambi.
16:53:12BigBambiAs I removed his post?
16:53:26BigBambisoap: Who was it from?
16:54:24BigBambiI've just got a couple of entirely random PMs from him too
16:54:44BigBambiAh no, different person
16:55:35BigBambiheh, actually same person hates me for two different things now :)
16:58:17*gevaerts admires people who can handle this kind of forum users for months or years without getting burned out
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16:59:36BigBambigevaerts: For me it is just trying not to reply immediately when someone says something that makes me cross (although I don't always manage that)!
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17:03:13gevaertsBigBambi: reply a bit more to his posts, maybe he'll go away ;-)
17:03:28BigBambiI'll give it a go!
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17:08:09BigBambigevaerts: Haha, he has blocked PMs from me :) That just means he will get no explanation when his random posts get deleted :)
17:08:43gevaertsHis choice I guess
17:08:59Horschtwho was it?
17:09:16BigBambiHorscht: Just someone in the forum
17:09:39BigBambiWho took offence at one of my replies, and me deleting first an abusive then an irrelevant post
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17:10:18Horschtoh, generic forum troll, then?
17:10:36BigBambion his way
17:10:37*gevaerts waits for BigBambi to delete yet another post
17:11:37BigBambiFebs: you there?
17:11:50*petur wonders if gevaerts is also forum mod already
17:11:50BigBambigevaerts: done!
17:12:00BigBambipetur: He is developer, yes
17:12:23peturah, it is a profile thing
17:12:59BigBambiDifferent groups give different badges and different powers, e.g. admin, global mod, developer, expert
17:14:00gevaertsI do think I'd better leave modding to others though. People might find it strange if their posts get moved or removed by this 3-post newbie
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17:14:40BigBambiThey don't know who deletes it
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17:15:00BigBambiAnd you clearly aren't a newbie in that sense as you are good enough to have commit rights!
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17:15:27Horschtjust "quiet"
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17:15:54gevaertsThey do know who sends them the polite PM though, and they probably don't know what these "commit rights" are
17:16:19Horschtallows you to commit crimes, durrr
17:16:41Acornhmm, are there any downsides to charging using usb (h300), is it bad for the player or battery life in any way?
17:16:41gevaertsLike crashing Vista and OSX ?
17:17:04HorschtOSX crashed as well=
17:17:24Horschtgoddamnit, 90% of the time i want to hit ?, i hit = instead
17:17:27BigBambigevaerts: True, but I still wouldn't worry.
17:19:10gevaertsUSB storage crashes OSX 10.5, yes. I don't really know why right now (I thought I knew, but I fixed that, and it still doesn't work)
17:20:03amiconnIt looks like your latest scsi work made detection on windows a lot faster
17:20:28amiconn(if it works at all, i.e. when connected to the root hub)
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17:20:47Hodappgevaerts: another reason for me to not upgrade to Leopard...
17:21:18gevaertsamiconn: that's good news. As far as I know SCSI should now be correct
17:24:05amiconnUnfortunately I did not find anything in the apple diskmode inits that fixes the apparent signal quality issue
17:24:51amiconnMy local version has no #if CONFIG_CPU == PP5020 anymore though
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17:26:50gevaertsI think it's best to just commit that change. I have it here as well.
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17:38:59OhmLlorea1: I spoke to the people in my course that are doing an alternative design for the rockbox playlist creating/editing
17:39:12amiconnIt's not only that #if removed, but also a bit of cleanup
17:39:14Ohmthey'll come here and make the results available for you when they're done
17:39:55Ohmbut now i gotta hop out
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17:41:42gevaertsamiconn: I commited the #ifdef removal. Hardware initialization is not really my area of expertise anyway, so I'll leave it to you.
17:45:10fyrestormgevaerts: it doesnt seem that my ipod 5th gen charges while in rockbox usb mode. i dont know if its because the battery is dying on me or because if its just cause usbstack isnt completed. clarify?
17:45:38fyrestormcurrently using my gf's ipod nano with it and charging has been fine
17:46:02amiconnAfaik we don't control the battery charger, so the charging current will just be ~100mA
17:46:27amiconn...which isn't much more than what the device consumes while operating. So it will charge, but very slowly
17:46:53fyrestormamiconn: my battery drains out though
17:46:59fyrestormso it must be the battery itself?
17:49:32gevaertsfyrestorm: the USB stack runs with the CPU "boosted", i.e. at maximum clock frequency (because otherwise high speed doesn't seem to work). That's combined with disk activity if you are actively copying files, and (maybe) backlight, depending on your settings. If it really only charges at 100mA, I wouldn't be surprised if it drains.
17:50:30gevaertsIt shouldn't drain very fast though
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17:51:42*gevaerts currently doesn't know much about charging though
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18:06:16linuxstbgevaerts: Sorry I haven't been around the last couple of days - will it still be useful for me to do those tests on my ipods?
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18:09:01gevaertslinuxstb: Yes. We still don't have a direct comparison of PP5020 and 5021/22 for signal quality, so they will be useful
18:10:15linuxstbCan you remind me what you wanted? Build with high-speed USB and then do a large read test and see how many resets?
18:10:26fyrestormgevaerts: backlight is off and no disk activity is happening while its plugged in
18:10:47ffmAre there any plans for a port to the Rio Cari?
18:11:42gevaertslinuxstb: something like that. If possible, try different USB ports to find the one with most resets, and do the comparison on that one. If the hypothesis is right, you'll get way more resets on the 5g than on the 4g
18:14:30gevaertsfyrestorm: All I know for sure is that my sansa c250 doesn't discharge while connected. As I said though, I'm not a specialist on this.
18:14:48fyrestormonce i get the new battery for my 4th gen
18:14:59fyrestormim gonna order a new one for the 5th
18:15:46gevaertsfyrestorm: if it charges in the OF, the battery should be fine
18:16:08pixelmaffm: the ports are started by interested users or owners of a device, it is not planned. Never heard about a Rio Cari port (never heard the name) but to be sure you could search in the "new ports" section of our forums or ask around in a Rio forum or so
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18:17:13fyrestormgevaerts: trying to make a database in rb drains it out though, someone here told me the battery was going out, so i was wondering if the two were connected in some way
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18:18:16fyrestormonce i get a new one i'll be able to check it out :)
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18:26:38LeGreffi3Rhello there
18:26:57LeGreffi3RI've got kind of a weird trouble...
18:28:00LeGreffi3RI used my ipod as an installation disk (so i put another bootloader) since then i can't seem to get the rock box on...
18:28:15LeGreffi3Ri have the apple exclamative folder
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18:28:56LeGreffi3Ri tried every ipodpatcher/dd/rbutils/ (did i miss one?)
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18:29:15LeGreffi3Rbut no way , the ipod doesn"t boot
18:29:33LeGreffi3R(i have no itunes to make a factory reset)
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18:32:47monkeysareusforuhey guys
18:33:11monkeysareusforuanyone there? :\
18:34:05ffmpixelma: kk. Is progress being made on the iPod port in the enc firmwares?
18:34:17krazykitmonkeysareusforu, please read the guidelines linked in the topic
18:34:28krazykitLeGreffi3R, you tried doing the ipod manual restore, you mean?
18:35:06LeGreffi3Ri tried several dd and script
18:35:09pixelmaffm: haven't heard of anyone working on it
18:35:10LeGreffi3Ron the ipod
18:35:31LeGreffi3Ri think a restore should be the pretty much the same :/
18:35:54ffmpixelma: ah. Any idea how I could get starting working on it?
18:36:12krazykitLeGreffi3R, did you do this process:
18:36:36monkeysareusforucan you guys hear me?
18:36:52krazykitmonkeysareusforu, yes. ask your question
18:36:58LeGreffi3Rno krazykit, just a part of this :)
18:37:02pixelmaffm: no idea
18:37:05LeGreffi3Ri give it a try...
18:37:14monkeysareusforui am having trouble playing video files on rockbox for ipod 5.5, 30gb
18:37:32ffmscorche|sh or scorche ping
18:37:35monkeysareusforuit says video file is no file, and i cant even play mp3s after, have to reboot in order to play mp3s
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18:38:35monkeysareusforui converteded avi file to mp4 and h264, and still no go ; ;
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18:39:09krazykitrockbox ONLY supports mpeg1 and mpeg2 video, monkeysareusforu
18:39:30ZeroRulesDoes somehere use the PictureFlow plugin?
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18:39:46monkeysareusforu0.o thanks
18:40:00monkeysareusforuthought it also played mp4 like ipod, thanks a bunch though
18:40:01*petur thinks ata-iriver.c lines 39/41 are a bit confusing thanks to a missing 0
18:40:35ZeroRulesGuys how long does it take to the PictureFlow plugin to first load?
18:41:29monkeysareusforuknow a really good freeware program to convert batches of files to mpeg-2? lol
18:41:41ZeroRulesGuys how long does it take to the PictureFlow plugin to first load?
18:41:45krazykitmonkeysareusforu, there is a link to winff on that wiki page we linked
18:41:58krazykitZeroRules, have patience in waiting for an answer. we saw the question the first time.
18:41:59monkeysareusforuyou are my hero
18:42:05PaulJamZeroRules: this depends on the number of albums and if the database is loaded to ram.
18:42:12linuxstb_gevaerts: Hmm, I've done some tests with my 5g (copying about 400MB), and no resets at all so far... I'm now trying with a larger directory.
18:42:24ZeroRulesbut on avrage..
18:42:26linuxstb_gevaerts: And as I write that, I get a reset...
18:42:42PaulJamZeroRules: on my h300 it usually takes 3-5 minutes (i think)
18:42:51ZeroRulesbut on the first time?
18:43:11gevaertslinuxstb_: is that using high-speed ? What USB port are you using ? (front, back, laptop, hub...)
18:43:22BigBambiZeroRules: Took 5 mins or so on my F60
18:43:51ZeroRulesmine was working for over an hour and nothing happaned.... what should I do?
18:44:06BigBambiZeroRules: Does album art work proerly in the WPS?
18:44:22BigBambiand did the database initialise properly?
18:44:36ZeroRulesno idea, i started the plugin and it got stuck on the prepering artwork screen
18:44:53BigBambiSo did you already initialise the database?
18:44:57pixelmaZeroRules: did you initialise the database at all?
18:45:01ZeroRulesyes i did
18:45:31pixelmacompletely with a rebootß
18:45:32ZeroRuleswhat do u mean?
18:45:39ZeroRulesoh yeah
18:45:45ZeroRulesit worked just fine
18:46:01BigBambiSo you can browse the database, play music from it etc?
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18:47:41ZeroRulesany ideas?
18:47:50pixelmaand the other question: does your album art show up in the WPS?
18:48:03ZeroRuleswhat do u mean by that?
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18:48:40BigBambiIn the WPS, do you see album art
18:49:22pixelmajust as an indicator to make sure that your album art is stored correctly - it should also work in a while playing screen with album art
18:49:57linuxstb_gevaerts: Yes, it's with high-speed (-DUSE_HIGH_SPEED), and it's a front USB port on my Desktop. It seems to be resetting more now though - 5 times in about 4 minutes (whilst copying a 1GB directory). I'm just repeating the test again
18:50:35ZeroRulesi looked in my .rockbox/wps folder and found no album art..
18:51:01gevaertslinuxstb_: maybe you're just lucky to have good quality wiring to your front ports
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18:51:23BigBambiZeroRules: try reading
18:51:59BigBambi1) You need albumart for pictureflow to work 2) Album art doesn't go in the /.rockbox/WPS
18:52:01linuxstbgevaerts: How often have others been reporting resets?
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18:53:11ZeroRulesso where does it go to?
18:53:22BigBambiZeroRules: try reading
18:53:26LeGreffi3Rkrazykit> seems worst
18:54:10LeGreffi3Ri wasn"t finished, i had to unmount (to format sdb2 as fat32) , now he just boot and fail endlessly
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18:54:19gevaertslinuxstb: I get 5 to 15 per 100MB on c250. amiconn got dozens from browsing the filesystem on a mini 2nd gen
18:54:29LeGreffi3R(and the drive make an anormal noise :/)
18:54:50krazykitLeGreffi3R, an abnormal noise? um, could you try to describe the noise?
18:55:08LeGreffi3Rlike he read, but with a click
18:55:30LeGreffi3RI don't think it's a big deal, he just worked 2 minutes ago
18:55:35linuxstbgevaerts: OK, I'm getting nowhere near that many. 5 for the first test with 1GB of data, and 3 resets when I just repeated the test..
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18:56:05LeGreffi3Rkrazykit> now i can't shut it down, can't mount it, he just goes up and down...
18:56:10linuxstbgevaerts: But I'll give my ipod color a go now, see if that's noticably different.
18:56:24gevaertslinuxstb: just to make sure, that's reading ?
18:56:55krazykitLeGreffi3R, you should be able to boot it into emergency disk mode (the instructions ought to be in the wiki or manual; i'm not familiar enough with the ipod to know off the top of my head)
18:56:57linuxstbgevaerts: Yes
18:57:15gevaertslinuxstb: ok. Let's see what the 4g does
18:57:15linuxstbgevaerts: (with Linux as host OS)
19:00:12gevaertslinuxstb: for some reason your nick already made me assume that
19:02:17linuxstbgevaerts: Just confirming...
19:02:51gevaertsAnyway, host os shouldn't matter. It's just that linux makes it much easier to count these resets than windows
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19:05:31linuxstbgevaerts: So far, no resets on my Color...
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19:06:31gevaertslinuxstb: if that keeps up, we have two conclusions : (a) you have excellent front-side ports, and (b) the hypothesis that this is a PP5020 vs PP502[12] issue gets a lot stronger
19:07:57LeGreffi3Rdamn it , it's not in lsusb anymore?
19:08:04LeGreffi3Rwhat the hell with this?
19:08:24linuxstbgevaerts: Just got the first reset - about 800MB into a 1GB transfer...
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19:10:30linuxstbLeGreffi3R: Have you forced your ipod into disk mode?
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19:11:03LeGreffi3Ryeah here it is
19:11:17gevaertslinuxstb: I suggest you do it twice (same as the video). If you get only 2 or 3 in total (vs 8 for the video), I think the difference is likely to be significant.
19:11:38LeGreffi3Ri'm so angry...
19:11:59linuxstbgevaerts: Yes, I'm running it again now
19:12:52Buschelgevearts: is high speed now working for the combination of ipod and windows?
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19:16:08gevaertsBuschel: I think for windows we only have signal quality issues left, which seem to depend on PP5020 vs PP502[12]. PP5020 seems to work pretty well, PP502[12] seems to work well if you have good USB ports.
19:17:42*gevaerts is going to have dinner now
19:21:58LeGreffi3Ri get the message "connect to itunes" , unlike half an hour ago , i had a progress bar with black background and a apple...
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19:24:09linuxstbLeGreffi3R: That progress bar is the Apple firmware trying to reflash itself - you should do as it tells you (insert a charger)
19:24:29LeGreffi3Rinsert a charger?
19:24:32linuxstbLeGreffi3R: If you interrupt that flashing process (e.g. with MENU+SELECT to reset), then badness happens...
19:24:42LeGreffi3Ri saw that :)
19:25:42LeGreffi3Rgot it!
19:25:46LeGreffi3Rat last :/
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19:27:29LeGreffi3Ri didn't interupt
19:27:39LeGreffi3Rit went again in up and down
19:28:13LeGreffi3Ri noticed there are two 5G firmware on the german sit
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19:28:40BigBambiWhich German site?
19:29:04BigBambiWell, that isn't much to do with here
19:29:50linuxstbBigBambi: The IpodManualRestore wiki page links there
19:30:00*BigBambi apologises
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19:30:27linuxstbLeGreffi3R: I think the duplicate firmwares are the same. No idea why Apple publish them with different numbers...
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19:33:08LeGreffi3Roh damn this i got the itunes screen again...
19:33:25LeGreffi3Rgonna try another with itunes
19:33:41LeGreffi3R(thank you apple for your so great software...)
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19:38:51quaalanyone know where to get new themes/fonts for rockbox
19:39:08quaali like the theme that comes on the new version but it seems like it and all the others are created for miniature fonts
19:39:08faemirquaal: use rbutil?
19:39:30faemirrbutil can get (some) themes but it gets you all the fonts that you need.
19:39:36quaalwhenever i use a font that is usable from several feet it makes the screen look retarded
19:39:49BigBambiquaal: or
19:40:14pixelmaor make your own?
19:40:58quaalcool i'll check these out
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19:42:41LeGreffi3Rgot it working, thank you :)
19:44:03krazykitLeGreffi3R, good to hear :)
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19:59:56Beta2KIs eq.c the source for the parametric EQ?
20:00:31quaalif they can scroll the next song in the playlist
20:00:46quaalit should also be able to scroll the current song?
20:01:08BigBambiDoes the line have %s in it?
20:01:30quaali havent checked the theme's code
20:01:32quaaljust loaded it
20:01:33quaalthe car theme
20:02:03BigBambiwell, if the line is longer than the screen and isn't scrolling, first thing to do is check if that line is set to scroll in the .wps file
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20:02:25BigBambiThe theme author may have forgotten, or even not wanted it to scroll
20:02:34quaali see
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20:04:01Beta2KWouldn't suprise me if it's not suposed to scroll...
20:04:34quaalyea guess it isnt
20:05:17quaalthink i found one i like more anyway
20:05:36gevaertsI'm trying to figure out why playback stops when USB is plugged in with the appropriate button held. I can't find anything in usb.c to cause that. Are there any playback experts around ?
20:08:03quaali think i fixed that problem after installing rockbox on my ipodvideo
20:09:17quaalnope guess not
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20:09:28quaalguess its only when i plugin to the car charger
20:09:41Beta2Kgevaerts, what platform, what RB version?
20:10:05Beta2KI just did it on my Gigabeat v16457 and it works
20:12:11gevaertsBeta2K: I'm working on the USB stack for portalplayer based DAPs. I'm using a sansa c250 myself, but others have reported the same on ipod when using the new stack
20:12:41quaalwhat button am i supposed to press to make the playback continue when i plug it in to computer
20:13:11gevaertsquaal: which player ?
20:13:18quaalipood video
20:13:23Beta2KAye, explains why my gigabeat works :)
20:13:34gevaertsquaal: menu
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20:14:47quaalseems like it worked for me
20:14:57quaalit went into this menu thing though that i had to get out of
20:15:22quaalbut at least its not on the DO NOT DISCONNECT screen
20:16:40BigBambiquaal: Please take a look at the manual
20:16:47BigBambiIt tells you things like that
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20:30:07gevaertslinuxstb: did you get more resets ?
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20:33:16linuxstbgevaerts: Yes, my Color seems to be resetting about the same amount as the video did - with 5 or 6 tests, the resets ranged from 2 to 6 per test.
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20:35:55gevaertslinuxstb: interesting. I think it means that (a) the signal quality is the same for both, or (b) your USB ports are too tolerant to test this properly.
20:39:59gevaertslinuxstb: I think it's probably both, so what we're looking for to get signal quality right is not PP5020 vs PP5022 but H10 vs ipod vs sansa.
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20:40:45linuxstbMy two ipods are my only PP targets, so I can't compare with anything else...
20:42:13gevaertsI'm just combining what you see with what amiconn sees on mini 2nd gen vs H10. It's still guessing of course
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20:52:38soapgevaerts, It would cause no harm, and might be useful to collect data on motherboard USB chipsets as well? Even going with the signal quality hypothesis perhaps some chipsets deal with a poor signal better than others?
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20:56:24gevaertssoap: the big problem with that is that to get meaningful results IMHO you really have to change one parameter at a time, including the exact player used (battery can still be a factor as well), and (maybe) the cable.
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20:57:20soapunless your sample size is large enough. Who knows what patterns might emerge?
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21:03:26gevaertsThat's true of course. But can we get a sample big enough ? The "real" solution would of course be to jus do the official USB electrical tests, but that requires equipment that I doubt many people have available (i.e. a multi-GHz sampling rate scope)
21:03:51BigBambigevaerts: What else do you need?
21:04:08soapWhere are you physically located?
21:04:59gevaertsBigBambi: not much, just some software to put the device in test mode which you can download
21:05:23BigBambiI have multi GHz scope, but how do you connect it?
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21:08:04gevaertsBigBambi: good question. You'll also need some kind of adapter (the one I can access at work is already set up for that), but I'm not sure how/where to get it. Have a look at for the exact procedures. I guess we don't have to do everything exactly, just a visual comparison with the OF should be sufficient
21:08:39gevaertssoap: I'm in Belgium (near Hasselt)
21:09:03soapthat rules out me getting you a Mini G1 quickly.
21:09:25gevaertsNote that I haven't tested the test mode properly yet. I'll do that on monday.
21:09:26BigBambiWell, I have access to multi GHz oscilloscopes and delay/pulse generators, so if there is way to attach them I'd be happy to try
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21:10:33soapgotta reboot for some tests, be back in a bit.
21:10:35gevaertsBigBambi: I guess stripping a cable to access the leads would be sufficient for our purposes, but I know next to nothing about this (I get some help from someone at work on this)
21:10:59BigBambiYes, that would be doable
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21:11:30BigBambiLooking at the docs I think I would need instructions along the lines of strip this cable, connect this wire to here etc.
21:12:49BigBambiprobably not particularly feasible unless we find someone who does it day in day out
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21:14:00BigBambiHmm, there look to be some intermediary PCBs as well
21:14:58gevaertsI guess we mainly have to look at D+ and D-, which are green and white.
21:16:12gevaertsI'm not sure if we need that PCB. Aftr all, we just want to know if it "looks ok", not if it is really perfect in every way.
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21:16:37BigBambiyes, true
21:16:43gevaertsBut we probably need someone who does this kind of thing regularly to be sure
21:17:07BigBambiThat's just it, I could look at the signal, but I wouldn't know what I was looking at :)
21:18:58gevaertsWell, I guess we can assume that the OF is OK (or nearly), so we compare... USB specifies a set of test modes (that's what this bit of software is for) to get a repeatable signal, so OF and rockbox should really look exactly the same.
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21:19:36gevaertsI'll report monday night if the testmode support works. It doesn't make much sense to do much more before that.
21:20:19gevaertsBigBambi: Supposing you could do these tests, what players can you check ?
21:21:18BigBambiOnly E260 (and eventually gigabeat S).
21:21:32Beta2KWhat kind of data are you guys looking for?
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21:21:51BigBambigevaerts: Let me know if I can help, I'm more than happy to try :)
21:22:11BigBambiBeta2K: USB signal quality
21:22:33Beta2KI've got a 100MHz scope I can take captures with
21:22:38gevaertsBeta2K: it looks like our usb stack has signal quality problems on some players, less so on others, and we are trying to find out some more data
21:23:02BigBambiBeta2K: From what gevaerts said I think you will need a GHz scope
21:23:09gevaertsBeta2K: USB high speed is 480 MBit, so I doubt you can get very far with that
21:23:15Beta2KOye, 2.0 not 1.1
21:23:36gevaertsAlthough 1.1 might of course also show the problem
21:23:52*gevaerts checks the scope requirements for 1.1
21:24:23Beta2K1.1 is 11MBit so 22Mhzish
21:25:41gevaertsSponsored Links
21:25:53*gevaerts makes another paste error...
21:26:08*BigBambi stops trying to decipher gevaerts' comment :)
21:28:12gevaertsThey specify two possile scopes, both 1GHz+. If our problems are just signal level, and not noise, I guess 100MHz would be plenty for full speed. What players do you have access to ?
21:29:07Beta2KGigabeat F and I should be able to track down a iPod
21:29:21BigBambiGigabeat F doesn't use the new stack
21:29:26Beta2KI know
21:29:50BigBambiSo using it to look at signal strength problems with the new stack is not so useful then
21:29:50Beta2KI'll grab a friends ipod and grab some captures
21:29:58Beta2KWhat kind of capture do you want?
21:31:10Beta2KAny point in a data stream?
21:31:41gevaertsWe want to know if the signal looks the same in the OF as in rockbox (levels, edge sharpness,...). USB specifies a test mode that can get you a repeatable signal, which you can pu
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21:32:03gevaertsMy backspace and enter are too close together...
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21:32:47gevaertsYou can put the device in test mode using software which is at (we probably want TEST_PACKET)
21:32:55BigBambigevaerts: whilst you are moving them you should remove that shortcut to halt you have too :)
21:34:09gevaertsThat's actually more realistic :-) Some more command history configuration should fix that I guess
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21:36:40gevaertsBeta2K: I'm not sure if the test mode works properly in the current rockbox code (not really tested yet)
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21:39:04desowinregarding sansa e200 starnge noise - could anyone familiar with this port check if buffers doesn't cover with some audio hardware registers/cache? I get very specific noise when copying file
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21:40:51desowinand that noise seems to be different when copying different files
21:49:02Beta2KSo anyone around know much about the parametric EQ?
21:49:52BagderBeta2K: that's preglow's area
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22:19:30peturoh spring cleanup
22:19:54scorcheit is good to clear it out every now and again
22:20:21scorchepeople tend to stop trying after a few weeks of being banned, and you never know what happens with IPs...
22:23:56Bagder"the most recent build took 4mins 19secs" <= coolness
22:25:49desowinfor *every* target?
22:26:07Bagderthat was the 71 builds, all targets
22:26:53desowinso just few seconds per build, wow
22:27:07Bagderwe have 18 fine servers now
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22:38:18amiconnpetur: Leading zeroes...
22:39:32peturyes, leading zeroes :)
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23:03:51Beta2KBagder, would any more servers be useful?
23:04:12Bagdersure, as long as they're fast
23:05:42Beta2K2ghz G5 fast enough?
23:05:59BagderI'd guess so
23:07:41gevaertsAre the requirements for a server documented somewhere ?
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23:08:04JdGordonBagder: once I get my boxes im 2 servers will be at and :9822
23:08:15JdGordon99 will be the quad core again
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23:09:30BagderJdGordon: great!
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23:10:22Beta2Koooh, quad :)
23:12:37Bagderbtw, you can check the build times in the build table to get a feel for what the performances are for the existing servers
23:14:18Horschtquad core is so 2007. I want octalcore!
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23:17:49gevaertsI have a core2 duo 1.8 GHz on an ADSL connection (about 400kbps uplink I guess) that I can put a chroot on.
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23:18:38JdGordonBagder: we gonna try with the mac?
23:19:33Bagderif it builds fine, why not?
23:20:18Beta2KIs the bootloader built with make all?
23:20:36JdGordonit has those empty object messages... but if thy show up as warning they can be fixed properly anyway
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23:24:08BagderBeta2K: you need to select bootloader at configure time
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23:24:55Beta2KThanks :)
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23:30:56gevaertsBagder: I'll look into setting up a build server here, but I first have to work out some security considerations (it's not in a DMZ, and I don't really like the idea of giving someone I don't personally know access to my network, so it needs some work)
23:31:52Bagderfair enough, just let me know if/when you get something up!
23:34:22amiconnRoflol, I don't believe it!
23:34:53*amiconn digged in the uclinux sources to check whether/how they detect the difference between hdd and cf, and found this:
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23:35:58amiconnThey actually check for the model name, unless the card has the proper CF signature
23:36:26Bagderwell, that code is ancient
23:36:38Bagder"Mar 05, 2003"
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23:37:19gevaertsYou could improve on that by 'printf("Press menu if you have a CF card, power if you have a hard disk");'
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23:38:57Yalliiwhat does it mean when a codec is converted to "fixed point"
23:39:03amiconnBagder: I can't find any newer code in uclinux though. I also could not find browseable linux (non-uc) sources
23:39:23Bagderwell, that's the 2.4 kernel in uclinux
23:39:29Bagderthey also have a 2.6 tree
23:39:36Bagderwhich is bound to be newer
23:40:17amiconnNo 2.6.x here:
23:40:29Bagderamiconn: then it's broken
23:40:47LloreanYallii: It means most / all of the relevant math is performed using fixed point math rather than floating point data types.
23:40:50Bagdersince if you download a uclinux dist, you get both 2.4 and 2.6 trees included
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23:41:29Bagder0x848a = CompactFlash device
23:41:34BagderThese are *not* removable in Linux definition of the term
23:41:38YalliiLlorean: a positive thing, right?
23:41:59Bagdertraces of the older logic I guess
23:42:13LloreanYallii: In reference to Rockbox, yes. The devices can't really do floating point calculations fast at all, so it's necessary for realtime operation.
23:42:42Bagderor perhaps not...
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23:44:00peturamiconn: I had come across that code too but didn't stand still too long, looked quite silly
23:44:00YalliiLlorean: I did some googling concerning Realaudio and Rockbox and came across an IRC log where it was mentioned by linuxstb that the realaudio cook decoder was converted to fixed-point
23:44:00amiconnNo CF detection there (apart from using the signature to decide whether it's removable)
23:44:36*amiconn will have a look into the new ide-disk.c, to check how they do suspend now
23:44:36YalliiLlorean: I'm not 'educated' enough to figure out what that means though ;-)
23:44:54*petur gtg
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23:46:42amiconnImho this linux driver code is quite difficult to understand compared to rockbox
23:48:48LloreanYallii: It just means it's converted to fixed point. We can't use it because of licensing concerns.
23:50:50YalliiLlorean: distributing it as the whole package or actually using it?
23:51:41LloreanDistributing it as part of Rockbox.
23:52:11Yalliiis there a possibility for me to add it to my own player then?
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23:52:52LloreanIf you're aC programmer and have time to do the necessary work, I don't see why not.
23:53:17Yalliiyou might have gathered that I'm not a programmer at all ;-)
23:53:25Yalliithanks for the answers
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23:58:43Beta2KIs there a API doc pertaining to things like checking button bresses?

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