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| 00:04:37 | linuxstb | Llorean: I expect I was talking about the ffmpeg Cook decoder - so no license issues... |
| 00:05:52 | Llorean | linuxstb: Oh, well then. |
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| 00:10:21 | TheBashar | Llorean: Thanks for pointing me to the check-in yesterday for FS #8455. I've posted my observations there. |
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| 00:17:46 | * | gevaerts is confused |
| 00:18:05 | Beta2K | Is that abnormal? |
| 00:18:31 | * | gevaerts slaps Beta2K |
| 00:19:10 | gevaerts | Why does linux only see my sansa after I have run lsusb ? "I haven't changed anything !" |
| 00:19:57 | Beta2K | Well I'd tell you, but you just smacked me |
| 00:20:35 | * | gevaerts aplogises and gives Beta2K a cookie |
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| 00:25:39 | iok | Could anybody please point me to a (wiki?) page where I can read about the state of the USB stack in Rockbox? |
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| 00:28:04 | gevaerts | iok: there is no wiki page about it, but http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8562 has some information (look at the last entry). What's not mentionned there (but somewhat implied) is that we have signal quality issues. |
| 00:28:05 | desowin | iok: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8562 and of course svn commits on front page |
| 00:28:08 | Llorean | iok: I don't know if there's anywhere documenting the exact state. |
| 00:28:25 | * | gevaerts documents its state on demand |
| 00:29:52 | gevaerts | iok: short summary : it's not ready yet, but depending on your player, operating system, and PC it may be usable for you |
| 00:29:55 | iok | desowin: yes, I saw the commit comments but it's hard to build the whole picture if you haven't followed the history from the beginning |
| 00:30:45 | iok | gevaerts: what about sansa e200? Would you recomment to still use the OF for music transfer? |
| 00:31:37 | desowin | OF |
| 00:31:57 | Llorean | If we were ready to recommend its use, we'd enable it. |
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| 00:32:53 | iok | Llorean: yes, that's what I also thought. And there is no entry in the 'major changes' list :-) |
| 00:32:54 | gevaerts | iok: the actual usb driver for e200 seems to work fine, but there is a bug in the flash driver that sometimes causes data corruption on write. It seems to happen every few gigabytes when using high speed, and is rarer at full speed. |
| 00:34:09 | gevaerts | iok: that's the main "depends on your player" item. On ipod and H10 it might work slowly or unreliably, but it won't do bad writes; on sansa it sometimes does |
| 00:34:40 | iok | gevaerts: ouch! |
| 00:35:18 | iok | gevaerts: this is the worst thing for a developer: "sometimes", i.e. not surely reproducible, right? |
| 00:36:52 | gevaerts | iok: the main problem on this one as far as I understand it is lack of documentation/understanding of the hardware that drives the sd card. |
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| 00:38:01 | iok | gevaerts: aha... Ok. Good luck and many thanks for your work! |
| 00:38:33 | amiconn | gevaerts: Reportedly the linux usb subsystem can become confused when doing too many "unexpected" things. A reboot should fix that |
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| 00:40:43 | gevaerts | amiconn: maybe, but in this specific case it works with a current svn build, but acts strangely with my current changes, so I guess it's my code |
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| 00:43:32 | Davide-NYC | QuestioN: are 64GB Compact Flash cards available anywhere? I can find announcements from late 2006, but no actual product to purchase. |
| 00:44:05 | Llorean | That's more a question for -community |
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| 00:46:39 | Davide-NYC | Llorean: first time I hear of this -community, thansk. |
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| 00:47:48 | Llorean | Davide-NYC: Even if you hadn't heard of -community, that has nothing to do with the Rockbox software. |
| 00:48:16 | Davide-NYC | Yes sir. |
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| 00:59:11 | gevaerts | That wasn't it. However, testing with what's in svn shows that it isn't a new problem, so I can ignore it as far as this current work is concerned. |
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| 01:12:30 | pixelma | roolku: the mrobe100 plugins use mostly the Archos bitmaps? |
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| 01:15:06 | A | im having trouble with an ipod mini and rockbox, it seems that the bootloader does not run the firmware correctly and i cannot get on the ipod even on disc mode |
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| 01:16:54 | roolku | pixelma: yes, which is a shame as everything is small |
| 01:17:13 | Llorean | A: Disk Mode happens before the Rockbox bootloader code is even run. |
| 01:17:25 | roolku | pixelma: I created bitmaps for sudoku and rockblox though |
| 01:18:19 | roolku | (or tetrox or whatever it is called these days...) |
| 01:18:33 | pixelma | roolku: yes saw that. The next could probably sokoban as I'm currently working on the c200 adaptation which hasn't happened yet, would only be one more bitmap |
| 01:18:50 | pixelma | don't say the tet* word... :) |
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| 01:19:23 | A | its odd, because i have no idea whats going on with my ipod, all it does it keep resetting to the exclamation point with the folder on it |
| 01:21:04 | desowin | I experienced such behaviour when I had ipod mini (I no longer have it), after changing bootloader it went back to normal |
| 01:22:09 | A | desowin, did you install a cf card or something on it also? |
| 01:22:39 | roolku | pixelma: if you want to create some bitmaps that would be great - I am not the greatest artist and it is even worse in black and white (or black and red actually) |
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| 01:25:10 | pixelma | yes, I'd actually like that challenge... black is usually the foreground colour? Having a look at the sim as we speak :) |
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| 01:26:06 | roolku | pixelma: the sim is misleading, background is black and text is red |
| 01:26:42 | linuxstb | pixelma: BTW, the USB screen image used on the ipod video looks quite small. now that we can actually see it for more than a split second. |
| 01:26:43 | roolku | pixelma: but the backlight is actually lighting up the red - so the display is all black when the backlight is off |
| 01:27:08 | amiconn | So it's a normally black monochrome lcd? |
| 01:27:34 | Llorean | linuxstb: Does it use the same one as the Gigabeat? |
| 01:27:51 | linuxstb | Llorean: All LCDs > 176 pixels wide use the same image |
| 01:28:00 | roolku | amiconn: yes |
| 01:28:01 | pixelma | roolku: ah that's what I wondered (remember seeing some pictures) - but you wouldn't care if the graphics are "inverted" as the text is? |
| 01:28:17 | * | amiconn thinks the simulator should be fixed then |
| 01:28:57 | pixelma | a monochrome display that's unreadable without backlight is a bit of a pity... |
| 01:29:47 | roolku | amiconn: the configuration currently doesn't support it - the backlight will only change the background, not the foreground as on target |
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| 01:30:26 | Llorean | linuxstb: I don't think it looks too small on the gigabeat, but I guess it could certainly be bigger. |
| 01:30:39 | amiconn | I said it should be fixed, not that it would be trivial ;) |
| 01:30:45 | roolku | pixelma: it is just about readable - the forground (red) is silvery with a good light source and suitable angle |
| 01:31:21 | roolku | amiconn: :) yes, I agree |
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| 01:31:42 | * | amiconn thinks that at the same time, the sim lcd colours should be made consistent with the screenshot function's colouras |
| 01:32:26 | pixelma | linuxstb: ok, will keep it in mind |
| 01:33:00 | linuxstb | pixelma: Thanks. Obviously not that important, it's just that I used USB on the video for the first time today, and thought it looked odd... |
| 01:34:17 | * | gevaerts implements a complimentary "Refresh Database" screen to be shown for five minutes on USB disconnect |
| 01:35:24 | pixelma | btw. wanted to ask you something (as you seem to be the only only around currently who knows a bit about Mac and Ipod installation). I'm currently going through the installation instructions in the manual and for the manual bootloader installation on MacOS it is mentioned that you have to "unmount" the Ipod but not eject it - wouldn't someone have to do the same when using rbutil? |
| 01:35:48 | Proxy | im trying to compile rockbox, but i keep getting a xargs zip no such file or directory in cygwin |
| 01:36:31 | pixelma | linuxstb: in general these kind of info are now a bit hidden and spread across multiple sections and I want to get a picture first and collect all the facts... |
| 01:36:58 | amiconn | roolku: What's the current state of the mrobe100 port? Is it already kinda usable? |
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| 01:37:19 | roolku | amiconn: yes, it is very usable |
| 01:37:45 | amiconn | Does the greyscale lib work? |
| 01:37:55 | roolku | amiconn: touchpad is kinda touchy and takes time to get used to - lowlight thinks he can tweak sensitivity |
| 01:38:22 | roolku | amiconn: no I was going to ask you if you could give me a hand with that |
| 01:39:05 | pixelma | roolku: just noticed, you also get the aspect ratio corrected bitmaps for the archos display then (chess as you mention in the forum post might look very weird on the mrobe100 display currently) :) |
| 01:40:05 | roolku | pixelma: it looks squished and very small, but I was very excited to see it work at all :) |
| 01:40:06 | linuxstb | pixelma: ipodpatcher (and I assume rbutil) does the unmounting itself now on Mac OS X - so I'm pretty sure that instruction is now obsolete. |
| 01:40:16 | amiconn | roolku: Shouldn't be difficult at all. Afaik the mrobe100 uses the same pixel packing as archos, and the standard pp lcd1 bridge |
| 01:40:46 | pixelma | linuxstb: ah, good to know... :) |
| 01:41:31 | pixelma | I guess sansapatcheris able to do that too? |
| 01:42:00 | amiconn | So you'll need the standard bunch of arm asm transfer functions, and lcd_grey_phase_blit needs implementation |
| 01:42:10 | roolku | amiconn: yes, that is what lowlight said, but I haven't really looked into that |
| 01:42:25 | amiconn | You'll also want lcd_blit because you need it to figure out the internal refresh rate of the lcd |
| 01:42:31 | linuxstb | pixelma: Yes, it looks like it does (checking the source) |
| 01:42:40 | amiconn | (lcd_blit is needed by test_scanrate.rock) |
| 01:42:45 | pixelma | thanks |
| 01:43:07 | * | amiconn could probably write that stuff blindly, but not right now |
| 01:43:53 | pixelma | roolku: music is playing and plugins are working, time for a manual? (which obviously means some work) |
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| 01:44:36 | amiconn | After all this is in place, you'll need to calibrate the gamma curve. I need a plugin for that myself, because some gamma curves are still not adjusted properly (and I also need gamma curve hot-switching for the 1st+2nd Gen) |
| 01:44:38 | roolku | amiconn: yes, it's bed time here as well - I'll have a look tomorrow |
| 01:46:02 | roolku | pixelma: yes I know, but I have never built the manual, so a bit of a learning curve and I need to get it working on cygwin... |
| 01:47:00 | roolku | amiconn: will the calibration work with the red backlight? I am curious how well it works |
| 01:47:15 | amiconn | Well, it should |
| 01:47:29 | pixelma | roolku: you won't have to do it all by yourself, I only meant to ask if you think it's already worth it (sorry for being unclear) |
| 01:47:56 | roolku | amiconn: the display seems quite slow - for example the ball in brickmania is really hard to see when it is moving |
| 01:48:33 | amiconn | It will use a comparison of "real" greylevels to rasterized greylevels. You will have to move away far enough to be unable to recognise the raster |
| 01:48:44 | amiconn | Slow display == good for the greylib |
| 01:48:48 | amiconn | (less flicker) |
| 01:48:57 | pixelma | roolku: and I build the manual on cygwin, too. Works good except I couldn't figure out how to set up tex4ht manually for the html version |
| 01:49:01 | amiconn | So far, the greylib works best on H1x0 |
| 01:49:17 | roolku | pixelma: no, it occured to me as well - it would be useful to get the install instructions written up - maybe even integrated into rbutil - so 'users' could try it and give feedback |
| 01:50:51 | pixelma | I see what I can do to help (and probably draw an svg...) |
| 01:51:31 | roolku | pixelma: excellent, much appreciated |
| 01:51:39 | pixelma | the sim background isn't that useful though |
| 01:52:05 | roolku | pixelma: not detailed enough? |
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| 01:53:40 | roolku | roolku: I would offer to take a picture, but the whole front is clear plastic and acts like a mirror, so it is really difficult to get a good shot |
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| 01:53:55 | soap | need a polarizing lens. |
| 01:55:31 | pixelma | roolku: have to see some pictures first to get an idea how it looks like (like is it a bit rounded, stuff like that) |
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| 01:56:12 | pixelma | don't worry, guess I'll find enough in the internet |
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| 01:56:42 | roolku | okie |
| 01:57:01 | * | roolku goes to bed now |
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| 01:58:02 | * | gevaerts just waits to see if his commit now builds, and then will go to sleep as well |
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| 02:03:54 | amiconn | hehe |
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| 02:13:46 | Proxy | does anyone know what the xargs zip no such file or directory error means? i installed all packages from rockbox |
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| 02:30:40 | Absinthe | exactly how did the error appear? |
| 02:31:10 | Strife89 | Brief question about albumart. |
| 02:31:43 | Strife89 | What is the mazimum size displayed in the Cabbie theme on the c200? |
| 02:32:20 | Llorean | It should say in the .wps file |
| 02:32:31 | quaal | http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/2118/contextualmuchloljw9.jpg |
| 02:32:47 | Strife89 | Gotcha, I'll double-check. |
| 02:32:51 | Llorean | quaal: That has nothing at all to do with Rockbox. |
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| 02:33:40 | quaal | is there some kind of crazy only rockbox talk law in place here |
| 02:33:51 | Llorean | There are channel guidelines, yes. |
| 02:34:05 | Llorean | That's that link in the topic that says "Please read before speaking" |
| 02:34:22 | Antisthene | RTFM, in other words =] |
| 02:34:43 | Absinthe | i saw that pic on digg today |
| 02:34:52 | Proxy | it appears when i try to make zip |
| 02:34:55 | Antisthene | rtfm? |
| 02:35:01 | Llorean | Absinthe: Again, please take off-topic chat elsewhere. |
| 02:35:06 | Absinthe | sorry |
| 02:35:15 | Absinthe | what OS? |
| 02:35:19 | Llorean | Proxy: Do you have "Zip" installed? Try just typing "zip" without the quotes in the cygwin window and see what it says |
| 02:36:03 | Proxy | thats odd its not installed |
| 02:36:53 | Strife89 | What denotes the albumart view? (i.e., what's the syntax?) |
| 02:37:24 | Llorean | Strife89: All WPS tags are documented on the CustomWPS wiki page |
| 02:39:49 | Strife89 | Then it's 40x40. |
| 02:39:52 | Strife89 | l|3|14|c40|c40| |
| 02:39:57 | quaal | k |
| 02:39:58 | Strife89 | Thanks. |
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| 02:41:29 | Proxy | thanks Llorean |
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| 02:46:50 | Klowner | I just acquired a Sansa e270 and it appears to be a v1 so rockbox should work, but I noticed under the Rockbox Status section on the wiki that "USB Handler" has a notice next to it, does that mean the only way to get media onto the device is through the MicroSD expansion? Or am I interpreting that incorrectly |
| 02:48:29 | pixelma | it means that currently your only able to put music on it by using the original firmware (Rockbox is able to dual boot and should even reboot automatically into OF on USB plug) |
| 02:48:39 | pixelma | or other media |
| 02:50:09 | Klowner | oh, well that's not so bad |
| 02:50:34 | Klowner | rebooting my little sansa in exchange for being able to play mpegs seems like a fair trade |
| 02:52:04 | TheBashar | Can anyone recommend the best way to remove duplicates from the database? Is deleting the .tcds the best way to reset? |
| 02:53:25 | Llorean | TheBashar: That or simply choosing to initialize it again |
| 02:56:17 | Absinthe | hiw long does it take to update the database? Sometimes I update the database on my sansa, turn it off immediately after, and it works fine. |
| 02:56:28 | TheBashar | Llorean: Thanks. The "Initialize now" option didn't work when I had the same problem a couple days ago. But I tried it again at your suggestion and it worked. What a difference a couple days (build) makes. |
| 02:57:01 | Absinthe | So it only takes a few seconds? I guess 2 gigabytes doesnt take that long. |
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| 02:57:26 | Llorean | TheBashar: It's possible that a few days ago some of the duplicated were still on your player (in the recycle bin perhaps). This has been known to happen |
| 02:57:48 | TheBashar | Absinthe: it only took about 10 seconds for my 2G. |
| 02:57:57 | Llorean | Absinthe: A lot of factors determine how long the refresh takes. |
| 02:58:08 | TheBashar | Llorean: Or maybe running out of free space? |
| 02:58:16 | Absinthe | Such as? |
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| 03:05:31 | Llorean | Absinthe: Processor speed of the device, how many songs you have, how many tags each of those songs has, etc. |
| 03:05:43 | Llorean | TheBashar: I don't understand the question. |
| 03:05:48 | Absinthe | ok. thanks |
| 03:06:03 | Proxy | i dont think you would run out of space |
| 03:06:13 | Proxy | hes talking about the database size |
| 03:07:57 | TheBashar | Llorean: I know I ran disktidy when I had the problem last time so I don't think it was the trash. But something (that I don't understand) happened and the 1-2MBs of free space disappeared and I had no free space. I wonder if that's why it couldn't "reinit" the database. |
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| 03:13:27 | Llorean | It's possible it didn't have enough room for the temporary files |
| 03:13:46 | Proxy | what does the bootloader build do vs the normal? |
| 03:14:49 | Llorean | What do you mean by "the normal"? |
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| 03:17:53 | Proxy | as in when you go to ../tools/configure (choose model you're building for) and then it asks you for normal manual simulator or bootloader |
| 03:18:39 | Llorean | The bootloader is a separate, very minimal part of the Rockbox code. It's main duty is to load Rockbox or the OF upon booting the device. |
| 03:18:52 | Llorean | You remember from when you installed, there were two steps, the Rockbox install, and the bootloader install? |
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| 04:22:18 | Klowner | aah this is so cool |
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| 04:53:44 | webguest41 | Hi all it's webguest25 from like a week ago if it means anything. anyway, I remember someone saying how there battery life was terrible when using rockbox on I think an IPod. possibly the option to use a .voice file was on and rockbox was trying to access it? |
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| 05:03:59 | webguest41 | hello? |
| 05:04:53 | webguest41 | :'( |
| 05:05:52 | Llorean | Please don't do that. |
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| 05:11:50 | webguest41 | yeh. has the former webguest40 come back? think I may have figured out why he/she was getting bad battery life |
| 05:13:38 | webguest41 | what up? |
| 05:14:15 | Llorean | This isn't a conversation channel. And I have no idea if that person came back. |
| 05:15:51 | webguest41 | I know. well if he/she does tell said user to make sure the voice options are disabled if they don't use them, rb was probbly checking for the .voice file whenever the "focus" changed |
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| 06:22:52 | outsider1102 | anyone: hello, i just got word that the lastest version of rockbox is out, i have an 80gb iPod 5.5G, the problem is that my firmware is version 1.2.3, will this latest version of Rockbox be compatible?? |
| 06:23:50 | JdGordon | yes |
| 06:24:08 | outsider1102 | JdGordon: thanks thats all i needed to know... |
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| 07:55:47 | outsider1102 | anyone: hello again, i just installed rockbox on my ipod (5.5G 80gb FW 1.2.3) and bout an hour into using rockbox, the sound on my ipod is coming out distorted, could this be a problem in the software, should i do a restore?? |
| 07:59:04 | Llorean | Distorted how? |
| 07:59:31 | outsider1102 | Liorean: theres is no bass, and there seems to be an overload of treble... |
| 07:59:55 | outsider1102 | when i raise my volume up to 100% its sounds like its at 50% |
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| 08:00:41 | Llorean | Have you tried resetting the settings? |
| 08:00:59 | outsider1102 | i also rebooted to the regular Apple Firmware and the same results are showing, no bass, treble overload and low volume |
| 08:01:18 | outsider1102 | settings in the rockbox Firmware?? |
| 08:01:49 | Llorean | Yes |
| 08:01:55 | Llorean | Wait, same problem in the Apple firmware? |
| 08:02:06 | Llorean | Rockbox won't affect how it sounds in the Apple firmware, so it sounds like a hardware problem. |
| 08:02:11 | outsider1102 | Liorean: yes |
| 08:02:26 | Llorean | Have you tried it with other headphones, and are you sure the headphone port is undamaged? |
| 08:02:40 | outsider1102 | let me check... |
| 08:03:03 | outsider1102 | actually i have an Apple remote that connects to the dock connector and the same results are showing |
| 08:03:45 | Llorean | With different headphones? |
| 08:04:08 | outsider1102 | no, i'm trying that now... |
| 08:05:13 | outsider1102 | heh, what do you know... |
| 08:05:23 | outsider1102 | it works with the standard apple headphones... |
| 08:06:09 | outsider1102 | i'm am noe trying the sound on the regular Apple FW |
| 08:08:03 | outsider1102 | Llorean: the problem seems to be solved, both firmwares now work fine, it must be the cord extension im using with the other headphones |
| 08:10:11 | Zacam | My Sony MDR-700's developed a crack in the sheilding used under the audio jack cover. I discovered it when I attempted to remove said sheilding to replace the jack as I had thought it to be a tip connection problem. Amazing what happens to hardware. |
| 08:11:21 | outsider1102 | Zacam: i tested my headphones on both my Sony PSP and Apple iPod, its seems to be a 2.5 mm jack cord extension that im using that is the problem |
| 08:11:49 | outsider1102 | but, when i use the remote cord for both my PSP and iPod the sound is back to normal |
| 08:12:18 | outsider1102 | so its this cord extension that im using, that in itself is another problem i need to find out |
| 08:13:46 | outsider1102 | Llorean: thanks for the help, its neither my software or the ipod that is flawed it is a cord that im using |
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| 11:31:25 | roolku | oops |
| 11:32:02 | petur | nice score |
| 11:32:38 | * | petur hads roolku 11250 points - pick anything from the third row |
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| 11:32:59 | petur | *hands |
| 11:35:12 | petur | roolku: missing #endif |
| 11:36:02 | amiconn | The next #if should rather be an #elif iiuc |
| 11:36:08 | roolku | #if #elif |
| 11:36:13 | roolku | yes |
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| 11:38:52 | Bagder_ | 11256 is good! |
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| 11:45:01 | roolku | and with as little effort as a missing "el" :) |
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| 11:46:40 | Bagder | roolku: how's the install procedure on the mrobe100 ? just like the other mi4 targets, like h10? |
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| 11:47:54 | roolku | Bagder: yes, rename OF, copy bootloader to where OF used to be (system directory), extract rockbox.zip |
| 11:48:50 | Bagder | btw, we already have mrobe100 zip files on the download mirrors ;-) |
| 11:48:59 | Bagder | just not advertised anywhere |
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| 11:49:15 | roolku | nice |
| 11:49:16 | Bagder | I mean, in case you want to offer some testers something |
| 11:50:24 | roolku | I suppose I could offer it in the forum thread, but I need to point to some written install instructions |
| 11:50:55 | Bagder | yes |
| 11:51:12 | Bagder | but can't you mostly copy from the h10 wiki page or similar? |
| 11:51:46 | roolku | it just points to the h10 manual :) |
| 11:51:59 | Bagder | oh, hehe |
| 11:52:39 | n1s | copy an old revision? |
| 11:52:42 | roolku | the manual is rather longwinded, dealing with MTP mode, stuff that is not applicable (as far as I know) |
| 11:53:04 | roolku | n1s: I suppose I could try that |
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| 11:56:52 | markun | Bagder: can you confirm something for me? |
| 11:57:01 | Bagder | I can try! |
| 11:57:19 | markun | I think someone just put wrong info on this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MeizuM6Port |
| 11:58:25 | markun | it now states that there is a FM chip called Philips TP65452 which I think is in fact the UDA1380 audio chip (which has TPG5452 on it) |
| 11:58:27 | rasher | Also, a link to disassembled arm code on rapidshare |
| 11:58:32 | markun | http://www.soomal.com/xdoc/miniplayer/18a.jpg |
| 11:58:41 | rasher | Thats not nice |
| 11:59:19 | markun | rasher: I disassembled that code and told this guy not to post a link because it's copyrighted material... |
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| 11:59:33 | rasher | Brilliant |
| 11:59:36 | Bagder | markun: so perhaps exactly that should be noted there about the TPG5452 |
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| 12:00:07 | * | Bagder hates rapidshare |
| 12:00:27 | Bagder | its almost impossible to find the actual file in all the ads |
| 12:00:46 | markun | There is no TP65452 by philips, is there? |
| 12:01:02 | markun | and the 6 is clearly a G in the image |
| 12:02:14 | Bagder | the only TP65452 google finds is that chip, but it is a G not a 6 |
| 12:02:42 | Bagder | (google finds discussion about it on a Russian forum) |
| 12:02:52 | roolku | Bagder: I am trying to find the bootloader for the M:Robe - shouldn't it be under http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ ? |
| 12:03:09 | Bagder | roolku: hm, only if you give me one to put there! ;-) |
| 12:03:21 | roolku | Bagder: or is this for precompiled only |
| 12:03:29 | Bagder | that's precompiled versions, yes |
| 12:03:33 | roolku | ah, I see , I thought the svn one goes there |
| 12:03:44 | Bagder | no, we don't provide svn built bootloaders |
| 12:04:09 | roolku | I will compile a fresh one for you |
| 12:05:36 | markun | shall I remove the rapidshare link? |
| 12:05:43 | Bagder | yes, I think so |
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| 12:08:10 | markun | can I make separate wiki pages for the Sanyo LV24000 and UDA1380 or should I link to the datasheet page? |
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| 12:08:44 | Bagder | a separate page would be good I think |
| 12:08:54 | Bagder | it could mention what targets that have it and more |
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| 12:10:26 | roolku | Bagder: I am trying to dcc send the bootloader |
| 12:10:40 | Bagder | see PM ;) |
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| 12:13:17 | Bagder | roolku: it is now in bootloader/olympus/mrobe100/ |
| 12:13:33 | Bagder | it'll take up to 60 minutes for all mirrors to have it |
| 12:13:53 | roolku | great |
| 12:14:57 | Bagder | so once we have a manual build for it we can put it among the other zip downloads |
| 12:15:15 | Bagder | roolku: very nice work! |
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| 12:16:37 | roolku | lowlight did the bulk, I am just helping. :) |
| 12:16:57 | roolku | I'll get the install instructions on the wiki and then look at the manual |
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| 12:18:39 | * | Domonoky is eager to see the install instructions, so i can add m:robe100 support to rbutil :-) |
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| 12:50:58 | roolku | Domonoky: I have put them on the wiki http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/OlympusMR100Port#Installation_Instructions_Quick |
| 12:51:56 | roolku | Domonoky: should be almost identical to the H10 (minus any mtp stuff) |
| 12:52:15 | roolku | Domonoky: if you want me to test something let me know |
| 12:52:15 | Domonoky | sounds easy to add to rbutil... |
| 12:53:30 | Domonoky | can you give us the USB vid and pid of a m:robe100 ? (for autodetection) |
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| 12:56:27 | roolku | Domonoky: hm, how do I find out (under windows?) |
| 12:56:46 | rasher | roolku: run this: christi/misc/usbids.exe">http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~christi/misc/usbids.exe |
| 12:57:02 | Domonoky | there is a tool for this at the bottom of this site: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceDetection |
| 12:57:17 | rasher | Which would be the one I pointed him at |
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| 12:57:58 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 12:57:59 | nicolasmathias | Bonjour, hello ;o) |
| 12:58:22 | Domonoky | the display size of m:robe100 is 128x160x2 ? |
| 12:58:35 | roolku | Domonoky: VID:07B4 PID: 0280 |
| 12:58:38 | gevaerts | roolku: once you have them, can you also put them in config-mrobe100.h ? (USB_VENDOR_ID and USB_PRODUCT_ID) |
| 12:59:17 | roolku | Domonoky: width is 160 and monochrome, so 160x128x1 |
| 12:59:34 | rasher | A new combination |
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| 13:00:15 | roolku | rasher: similar to h120, just black and white |
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| 13:00:41 | mikeage | Has anyone noticed very slow performance / unresponsiveness from svn.rockbox.org |
| 13:00:42 | mikeage | ? |
| 13:00:49 | rasher | roolku: Yeah, but the combination of monochrome and 160x128 is new |
| 13:01:29 | amiconn | roolku: Btw, do you know the lcd controller type in the mrobe100? |
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| 13:01:45 | roolku | rasher: yes, most of the graphics need to be adapted :( |
| 13:01:56 | nicolasmathias | I'm a happy rockbox user from paris, france, i'm using the record possibilities offered by rockbox with my ihp120 for years, recording stuff for the french public radio where i am a soound engineer. I'm trying the cf mod and i 'd like to contribute to the twiki with theresults of my experiment with differents cf brands... I registered to do so, but it seems I need some autorisation to add my news... can y |
| 13:02:12 | amiconn | Its command set seem similar, but not identical, to the SSD1815 (and it can't be SSD1815 because that one supports only 132x64x1) |
| 13:02:40 | Domonoky | nicolasmathias: tell us your wikiname, and promise not to spam :-) |
| 13:02:46 | gevaerts | nicolasmathias: you got cut of at "my news... can y" due to irc line length limits |
| 13:03:41 | nicolasmathias | my wikiname is nicolasmathias |
| 13:04:02 | nicolasmathias | and i will never spam ! |
| 13:04:05 | rasher | nicolasmathias: Done |
| 13:04:16 | nicolasmathias | merci ;o) |
| 13:04:16 | roolku | amiconn: I don't (and not on the wiki) - maybe lowlight has an idea |
| 13:04:48 | amiconn | The mrobe100 lcd driver needs some cleanup and optimisation work |
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| 13:09:36 | roolku | gevaerts: okay done |
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| 13:11:17 | gevaerts | roolku: by the way, has the usb stack been tested on mrobe100 yet ? |
| 13:11:24 | roolku | gevaerts: it should be possible to enable the rockbox USB stack for m:robe 100? |
| 13:11:59 | roolku | gevaerts: I was just about to ask that. :) are there instractions what needs to be done to enable it? |
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| 13:13:42 | gevaerts | roolku: it's PP5020, so it should work. Define USE_ROCKBOX_USB USE_HIGH_SPEED somewhere to enable it. |
| 13:15:16 | * | gevaerts is off for lunch now |
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| 13:24:09 | pixelma | BigBambi: around? |
| 13:24:16 | BigBambi | yo |
| 13:24:42 | Domonoky | rbutil in SVN can now install rockbox + bootloader on m:robe100 :-) |
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| 13:30:30 | roolku | Domonoky: nice. Could you send me binary to test? |
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| 13:31:13 | roolku | Domonoky: or put it on the wiki so others can benfit as well |
| 13:31:50 | Domonoky | :-) i only have debug builds of rbutil at moment, i need to rebuild my Qt install for a static build.. |
| 13:32:51 | roolku | Domonoky: okay |
| 13:35:07 | rasher | I just discovered an SD card that my sansa won't read. Who would I want to talk to about that? |
| 13:36:41 | Horscht | card manufacturer :p |
| 13:36:49 | rasher | The card works. |
| 13:37:46 | Massa | Hi everybody! |
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| 13:38:16 | Massa | Anybody here who builds rockbox with cygwin? |
| 13:38:44 | Buschel | yes, but long ago i set it up |
| 13:39:11 | pixelma | yes, me :) |
| 13:39:32 | Buschel | so, pixelma is the one to ask :) |
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| 13:40:03 | Massa | It did work here for years - but now I have some really strange problems! |
| 13:40:52 | pixelma | already suggested something in the dev mailing list |
| 13:41:44 | Massa | pixelma: So you're Marianne :-) |
| 13:41:45 | rasher | Hrm, seems card->initialized is -219, now to figure out what that means |
| 13:42:30 | Massa | I already read the old IRC thread and also tried something in that direction which lead to even more strange behaviour! |
| 13:42:47 | pixelma | do you use TortoiseSVN? |
| 13:43:47 | Massa | Actually not, but to be really sure, I tried to do a fresh checkout with the commandline SVN which fails! |
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| 13:44:43 | Massa | Here's the error: "svn: Can't move 'trunk/tools/ucl/.svn/tmp/entries' to 'trunk/tools/ucl/.svn/entries': Permission denied" |
| 13:45:08 | * | gevaerts will soon have a Gigabeat F and therefore has to read the USB chapters of the S3C2440A datasheet |
| 13:45:25 | Massa | When I remove the complete directory structure and reenter the svn checkout command, the error is still there - but on a different location ??? |
| 13:48:18 | rasher | Oh dear.. sd_init_device is quite a maze with a billion different possible places the error could come from |
| 13:48:42 | pixelma | Massa: I remember having weird "permission denied" errors with a certain cygwin install. I believe it was amiconn who told me that the cygwin project fixed some bugs related to it recently (not a 100% sure though) |
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| 13:49:15 | gevaerts | rasher: while you're in there, can you fix the write corruption bug ;-) |
| 13:50:18 | amiconn | Massa: That's most often a virus scanner problem |
| 13:50:28 | Massa | pixelma: I updated cygwin yesterday evening (the compile errors where there before) |
| 13:51:03 | mikeage | speaking of cygwin, has anyone had trouble connecting to SVN via cygwin and a proxy? |
| 13:51:13 | Massa | pixelma: I try to switch of my Avira Antivir Guard and checkout again... |
| 13:51:35 | Massa | mikeage: not tried - no proxy necessary here... |
| 13:51:59 | rasher | gevaerts: not a chance. And it seems whoever wrote it didn't bother setting ret to something unique depending on where the error occured |
| 13:52:20 | mikeage | from home I have a _very_ slow connection (direct); I'm at work now, and need to use a proxy (a cable machine on comcast), and svn.rockbox.org is timing out |
| 13:53:08 | amiconn | Massa: It can happen even if the virus scanner is disabled. Its kernel driver will still be active (because windows can't unload certain drivers at runtime) |
| 13:53:32 | amiconn | I am experiencing that effect myself from time to time (Kaspersky antivirus here) |
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| 13:56:01 | Massa | mikeage: not sure about cygwin, but usually you set "http-proxy-host, http-proxy-port" in "~/.subversion/servers" if you need... |
| 13:56:16 | mikeage | did that... i can get to other svn servers just fine |
| 13:56:41 | mikeage | but rockbox is unavailable... tried my US proxy, as well as several proxies from my company |
| 13:56:41 | Lear | Massa: I see errors like that sometimes. I just re-run the command again (checkout, update...). |
| 13:57:18 | mikeage | all work just fine to retreive from sourceforge, none work for rockbox.org. OTOH, I just tried telnetting to a different machine and SVNing from there, and it worked just fine |
| 13:57:55 | Massa | amiconn: At least I had luck now - a complete svn checkout without errors happens to me - now I'll try the make again :-) |
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| 13:58:27 | * | amiconn always disables the virus scanner during compilation, because that gives a *huge* speedup here |
| 13:59:12 | * | gevaerts promises not to make the build process download a virus |
| 13:59:42 | Massa | amiconn: pixelma: may the compiling probs have something to do with the "ccache"? |
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| 14:00:17 | * | amiconn wouldn't use ccache on cygwin, because it *slows down* things there |
| 14:00:27 | amiconn | But otherwise there should be no problems |
| 14:00:29 | Massa | Lear: doing a checkout again is not so easy because svn always complains about needing a "svn cleanup" and after that it does............ nothing :-( |
| 14:02:14 | Massa | did I already say that I would still prefer using CVS instead of SVN? I never had such strange problems with CVS (I know it has other pitfalls...) |
| 14:02:34 | mikeage | Massa... it could be worse. Ever try ClearCase? ;) |
| 14:04:04 | Massa | mikeage: yes, I had to in a project - it's usage depends on how good the administrator set up the stuff! Was not so bad here... |
| 14:05:06 | mikeage | i use it at work... when everything works, it's not too bad.. . but the fact that it requires a full time admin really says it all... |
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| 14:06:15 | mikeage | actually, for our application (codebase of about 45 components with about 15 parallel releases), it's pretty efficient... it handles large scale projects well, but I still do my personal development at work with a local SVN server |
| 14:06:34 | * | Domonoky also uses ClearCase at works... i dont really like it, but i woudnt know if SVN or like scales as good as clearcase.. |
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| 14:07:47 | Massa | mikeage: maybe I still don't understand the whole concepts behind svn - but in my oppinion there are really strange ones, which I don't understand. |
| 14:08:22 | roolku | gevaerts: USB stack works (after fixing the detection) - anything in particular you want me to test? |
| 14:08:29 | Massa | the concept of have client side (!) properties instead of server side ones is one of those which I don't understand! |
| 14:08:42 | Massa | s/have/having/g |
| 14:08:44 | rasher | Massa: you'd love git. I can tell. |
| 14:09:04 | rasher | This is all offtopic though. |
| 14:09:14 | Massa | rasher: don't know - never tried |
| 14:09:43 | Massa | No my build is over - and I also did a "make zip" - all worked without problems! |
| 14:09:53 | Massa | s/^No/Now/g |
| 14:10:21 | Massa | So it seems, I also did a TortoiseSVN update at some point in time :-( |
| 14:11:52 | Massa | Thanks to everybody for their help - although I still not understand, why the "svn checkout" failed... |
| 14:12:34 | pixelma | maybe it didn't have to do with Tortoise after all (IIRC przemhb's problem wasn't solved and his case might also have been a virus scan problem?) |
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| 14:13:12 | Massa | amiconn: I'll deinstall the ccache for cygwin - I even don't know when it has been installed ;-) |
| 14:14:24 | Massa | pixelma: I don't think so - the "svn checkout" may be a virus scanner problem, but not the "bdf" and not the "cp" problems - these come IMHO because of different line endings... |
| 14:15:34 | amiconn | Using tortoisesvn in conjunction with cygwin is calling for problems... |
| 14:15:41 | pixelma | I believe petur uses TortoiseSVN in combination with cygwin (or used to), he had to set cygwin to use crlf too (there must be a wiki page about it) |
| 14:16:16 | Massa | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCygwinAndTortoiseSVN |
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| 14:16:55 | * | Domonoky has usesd tortouseSVN with cygwin in the past without problems.. (maybe mixing tortousesvn and cygwins svn is bad ? ) |
| 14:16:55 | Massa | But I don't like using an Unix environment with DOS lineendings. - don't know what other problems this'll cause... |
| 14:17:23 | Massa | Dormonoky: what line endings to you use? |
| 14:17:33 | Massa | s/to/do/g |
| 14:18:12 | pixelma | Domonoky: IIRC TortoiseCVS could be set to lr but TortoiseSVN doesn't have that option or something like that |
| 14:18:16 | Domonoky | Unix lineendings, and tortousesvn automagically use the correct ones.. |
| 14:19:01 | * | pixelma should read more thoroughly |
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| 14:19:23 | Massa | Dormonoky: how should it know that this'll be a directory which you use inisde cygwin? |
| 14:19:28 | Domonoky | at least, i didnt configure tortousesvn, it just worked.. |
| 14:20:20 | ipod6 | Hi, does anyone know where I can download games for the ipod classic? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! |
| 14:20:29 | Massa | Dormonoky: I just did a test a few minutes ago and did a fresh checkout with TortoiseSVN - and it had the problems when calling "make zip"! |
| 14:21:05 | Massa | Then I did the same with a fresh checkout made with the cygwin command line svn - which doesn't had that problem |
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| 14:22:03 | Domonoky | i dont know whats worng for ypur install, but it just works for me :-) |
| 14:22:28 | pixelma | ipod6: Rockbox doesn't run on the classic, so games for it must be from a different project. Why do you expect us to know more? |
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| 14:28:09 | pixelma | roolku: the mrobe100's front looks like one piece (screen and touchpad is "hidden" behind)? |
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| 14:29:22 | ipod6 | Thanks, pixelma, I'm a new owner of the ipod and just looking for games to play. The games that I have found on bittorrent are for the older generation ipods, unfortunately. So, I thought I might try here for help. |
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| 14:29:53 | roolku | pixelma: yes the whole front is one piece of clear black plastic - with all lights off it is shiny black with the "m:robe" writing in the centre |
| 14:30:49 | pixelma | how do you tell where the touchpad "ends"? |
| 14:30:50 | roolku | pixelma: button symbols and screen only show when lit (or you squint and look from the right angle) |
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| 14:31:34 | roolku | pixelma: you can't. Only the individual symbols can be seen |
| 14:32:04 | pixelma | ah hmm... must be weird to operate |
| 14:33:16 | Massa | amicon: I deinstalled the ccache from my cygwin installation - but it still tries to use it |
| 14:33:24 | roolku | pixelma: yes it is :) |
| 14:34:22 | Massa | I removed the "~/.ccache" directory including contents and I also did a new configure - wait: I found the problem |
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| 14:35:00 | Massa | shame on /me - I still used "configure −−ccache" |
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| 14:38:32 | pixelma | roolku: and do I see correctly that it has the volume socket (with remote) and a hold switch on the left side, at the bottom you can plug a charger (maybe USB) and is there something else? |
| 14:39:19 | pixelma | s/volume/headphone |
| 14:40:02 | gevaerts | roolku: If you're using linux, I'm very interested in whether you get many "usb device resets" in your dmesg output while reading from the device, and if changing USB ports on your pc makes a difference there. If you happen to have another PP502x based device, doing the same test on that one would be useful as a comparison. |
| 14:40:05 | roolku | pixelma: yes, audio out (with optional remote connector) on left (top) and hold switch below |
| 14:40:42 | gevaerts | roolku: something similar should be doable on windows. I think you have to look for "error 51" in the event log then (but amiconn can probably help more there) |
| 14:40:49 | roolku | pixelma: it has a power switch on the top side (close to the right) |
| 14:41:40 | pixelma | ah, seen something on a picture but couldn't decide what that should be |
| 14:41:44 | roolku | pixelma: proprietary USB connector at the bottom |
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| 14:42:54 | roolku | pixelma: connector in the center (about 1/3 of the width) |
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| 14:43:25 | roolku | gevaerts: no linux at home - will try to remember taking it to work with me |
| 14:44:09 | Buschel | gevaerts: USE_HIGH_SPEED still doesn't work under windows for me (ipod 5.5G). any ideas? |
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| 14:44:38 | Acorn | hmm, is it useful to report things that make rockbox crash? |
| 14:44:46 | roolku | gevaerts: I am getting a few read errors - but that may well be my disk, I had problems with the OF as well |
| 14:45:30 | gevaerts | Buschel: I still blame signal quality, so the only thing I can suggest is trying different ports or a hub. |
| 14:46:15 | Buschel | gevaerts: a pitty... i would love to use it :/ |
| 14:46:23 | Acorn | whenever I try and load in rockpaint my player just stops responding :( |
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| 14:46:43 | pixelma | roolku: ok, thanks. I can imagine it better now, makes it easier to draw the svg |
| 14:47:48 | gevaerts | Buschel: you could try finding the cause of course. Unfortunately we have no real idea of where to look |
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| 14:49:16 | pixelma | Acorn: what files do you try to load in rockpaint and on what player? I'm guessing an e200 and bmps you loadded with the original firmware's application... |
| 14:49:19 | roolku | pixelma: if you look straight from the front, you don't see any of the things - the silver band that holds the front to the case is slighly (1mm) raised |
| 14:49:27 | markun | gevaerts: are you planning to add USB host support eventually? (for the Gigabeat F for example) |
| 14:49:33 | * | amiconn now tends to think that it is some voltage setting |
| 14:50:06 | amiconn | Unfortunately, experimenting with voltages is potentially dangerous |
| 14:50:09 | Buschel | amiconn: you have an ipod for testing? i just got an idea |
| 14:50:16 | Acorn | pixelma: h300 .bmp |
| 14:50:30 | Acorn | and yes, i just upgraded the firmware, so the format has changed? |
| 14:50:33 | gevaerts | markun: I should have a Gigabeat F soon, so if I'm bored I might have a look at it. I already downloaded the needed datasheets and specs ;) |
| 14:50:47 | amiconn | Buschel: Not here; at home... |
| 14:51:26 | pixelma | Acorn: are those bmps larger than your screen's resolution perhaps (220x176 on the H300)? |
| 14:51:41 | Buschel | amiconn: on my local version the "dock connector pin17" voltage is disabled... |
| 14:52:07 | Acorn | well, it was something i had drawn and saved using rockpaint |
| 14:52:29 | markun | gevaerts: we're lucky to have the user manual of the s3c2440 because it was removed from the samsung website only days after I first downloaded it |
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| 14:52:57 | pixelma | roolku: yes, understood from the pictures but I also used to show a little bit of them still so they can be seen and labelled (to avoid having to draw side views :) ) |
| 14:53:39 | roolku | pixelma: fair enough :) |
| 14:54:12 | gevaerts | markun: I especially like the USB host description in there : "It's OHCI, here are the register addresses" |
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| 14:54:27 | amiconn | The PP502x supports USB host as well iiuc (although it might be that there is no hardware present to provide Vbus, making it unusable) |
| 14:54:44 | pixelma | Acorn: ok, then I'm out of ideas and never really used rockpoint. If you can describe a way to reproduce it's probably better to file a bug report |
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| 14:56:06 | * | pixelma seems to have problems spelling "rockpaint" - once it is rockpoint, before it was "rockpint" (but noticed before hitting enter)... |
| 14:57:21 | Acorn | ok, just opened rockpaint, drew some lines, saved it as TEST.bmp, then quitted, started up rockpaint, loaded the image, freeze :( |
| 14:58:07 | gevaerts | PP502x host is EHCI based. That's pretty similar to OHCI (iirc, it's 7 or 8 years ago that I really studied those specs). Both are similar in basic concept to how PP device-side works (just a bit more complex of course, host has to do more). s3c2440 device side seems more involved (looks like it does much less in hardware) |
| 14:58:51 | * | amiconn doesn't really understand why there are 2 standards for fullspeed hosts |
| 14:58:55 | * | gevaerts wants use his c250 as a card reader for his gigabeat |
| 14:59:33 | Acorn | should I file a bug report just like that? or first see if someone else can reproduce the problem? |
| 14:59:51 | gevaerts | amiconn: you mean UHCI/OHCI ? I guess mostly politics. EHCI was done to support 2.0 of course |
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| 15:00:03 | amiconn | Yes I mean OHCI/UHCI |
| 15:01:20 | gevaerts | What's especially interesting is that everyone seems to agree that OHCI is the better spec, yet UHCI is still used in new chips |
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| 15:08:18 | Acorn | is the flyspray a separate login from everything else? |
| 15:08:48 | Febs | Acorn: yes. |
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| 15:15:30 | Acorn | bug posted to flyspray :) |
| 15:15:40 | Acorn | does it look ok? |
| 15:23:51 | Acorn | is it possible to edit a task you have created? if so, where is the edit button? :( |
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| 15:31:05 | pixelma | Domonoky: since rbutil can be used to uninstall - does it also "clean" the .rockbox folder or is that something the user would have to do self (just want to know, I'd prefer the latter anyway) |
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| 15:39:42 | rasher | pixelma: I'd expect uninstall to not leave traces behind |
| 15:40:43 | amiconn | I'd say it depends. A user might want to keep individual settings |
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| 15:42:13 | rasher | amiconn: Then he shouldn't use an automated uninstall procedure imho |
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| 15:43:08 | pixelma | rasher: well, ok I don't have a strong opinion on that. The reason I'm asking is that I just want to know what it's doing (trying to find a new structure for the installation instructions as some general things are now buried in the "manual bootloader installation" instructions (like one needs to insert the charger to start the upgrading process on the Iaudios etc.) |
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| 15:45:38 | pixelma | that's a good point about the automated uninstall, I think |
| 15:46:16 | rasher | Isn't there an "uninstall bootloader" button as well? |
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| 15:48:55 | pixelma | I think so, was just wondering about what happens to the rest of the build because there is a note about it |
| 15:49:11 | amiconn | Linux package managers (e.q. synaptic) distinguish between uninstalling and purging packages |
| 15:49:26 | pixelma | currently I'm more in collecting all the info... |
| 15:50:28 | rasher | amiconn: rbutil is not a linux package manager though |
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| 15:57:00 | Buschel | amiconn: I've just played around with power mangement regarding the USB-sutff. re-enabling dock17 does not make it, also enlarging the voltage of the step-up converter doesn't make it (rockbox does not start then). undoing my changes to the PP-initialization doesn't help either... maybe some register-bit that is not enabled by default does it (GPIO32 or DEV_EN/INIT)? |
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| 16:07:14 | gevaerts | Buschel: I found that high speed doesn't work with the cpu at 30 MHZ, but works (with the noted problems) at 80MHz. The iMX31 spec mentions that the USB device controller communicates with the transceiver at either 30MHz or 60MHz (depending on 8/16 bit width between them). I'm not sure where it gets this clock, but maybe playing with clocks helps ? |
| 16:08:07 | gevaerts | I hope to find out tomorrow what exactly is wrong with the signalling on c250. Hopefully that will provide some hints |
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| 16:09:54 | Buschel | gevaerts: hmm, i'll give this a try. my ipod is configured to run @ 24MHz (unboosted) and 90MHz (boosted) |
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| 16:10:41 | Buschel | gevaerts: during USB-transmission the CPU is boosted, correct? |
| 16:10:58 | gevaerts | Buschel: it should be. |
| 16:12:47 | gevaerts | Buschel: it currently starts boosting in usb_drv_init() and stops in usb_drv_exit() in usb-drv-pp502x.c, so it's boosted for the entire duration of the connection (which is probably wrong for charging-only connections) |
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| 16:42:45 | Domonoky | about the uninstalling of rockbox in rbutil: it can uninstall the bootloader (where possible), and unistalls rockbox either completly (just deleting the dir) or you select what to uninstall .. |
| 16:43:18 | Domonoky | then it only removes files installed by rbutil, so user settings are kept... |
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| 16:44:28 | kushal_12_27_200 | Sometimes, I get "Bad track" message on my Sandisk Sansa c250. What causes a track to be a bad track? I am running the original firmware. Thanks, Kushal |
| 16:45:01 | rasher | kushal_12_27_200: we don't provide support for the official firmware |
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| 16:47:08 | kushal_12_27_200 | Thanks, rasher. |
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| 17:11:50 | pixelma | Domonoky: thanks for the answer, another question: I saw that one has to rename the h10's bootloader file when s/he has a so-called "pure" model - how does rbutil deal with that? |
| 17:14:03 | Domonoky | there is some special handling if the of filename is H10EMP.mi4, but i dont know if it really works.. |
| 17:14:30 | pixelma | ok |
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| 17:58:47 | gevaerts | This "no malloc" thing really makes it necessary to think about design sometimes |
| 17:59:35 | Domonoky | which is good :-) |
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| 18:00:40 | pixelma | Domonoky: sorry for all the questions but could you explain briefly how h100/h300 firmware patching works with rbutil? |
| 18:01:39 | Domonoky | for the h100/h300 bootloader install, it asks the user for a original firmware file, this is then patched and placed on the device. |
| 18:01:56 | Domonoky | then the user has to use the original firmware to "upgrade" the bootloader.. |
| 18:03:06 | pixelma | ah ok, so it does the patching and copying the new firmware file at once |
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| 18:04:50 | Domonoky | they are two steps, but it leaves the original file intact, and deletes any temporary file.. |
| 18:08:13 | pixelma | now I'm confused... from the rbutil user point of view, does s/he only have to chose the orginal firmware file and everything else will be done automatically or first chose that, then patching, then copying? |
| 18:09:25 | Domonoky | the user only sees one step... :-) |
| 18:10:10 | Domonoky | just start bootloader install, select the of file, wait for bootloader install finsihed, and the upgrade with the OF.. |
| 18:11:33 | pixelma | alright, thanks :) |
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| 18:14:19 | amiconn | rasher: Your build server does strange things :( |
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| 18:18:12 | rasher | amiconn: oh, what now? |
| 18:18:33 | amiconn | Check the build table |
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| 18:18:47 | * | amiconn hands rasher 330 points |
| 18:18:59 | rasher | Jeez |
| 18:19:08 | rasher | I wonder if this is caused by dash |
| 18:19:17 | rasher | Or rather, caused by crappy shell scripts |
| 18:20:17 | rasher | Nope, all my fault |
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| 18:21:28 | rasher | Should be fixed now. |
| 18:21:32 | sid | How do I upgrade? |
| 18:22:00 | sid | I have r14998, for my 30G iPod video, I want to upgrade to the latest, what do I need to do? |
| 18:22:27 | Domonoky | sid: just unpack the newest build zip for your player on your device.. |
| 18:22:45 | faemir | or use rbutil |
| 18:22:57 | Domonoky | (or if you use rbutil, just use the "install rockbox" button again) |
| 18:24:52 | * | ender` yawns |
| 18:25:17 | * | gevaerts hopes ender` is not writing critical code |
| 18:25:33 | sid | root@cookooland:/media/IPOD/.rockbox# md5sum rockbox.ipod |
| 18:25:33 | sid | 0bd41569ec7c891a01a4b40a1ff95b8d rockbox.ipod |
| 18:25:33 | sid | root@cookooland:/media/IPOD/.rockbox# md5sum ../rockbox.ipod |
| 18:25:33 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK sid |
| 18:25:33 | sid | 89b7fd48bee4de2493d20c9916c225dc ../rockbox.ipod |
| 18:25:40 | ender` | always :) |
| 18:26:09 | sid | Are these files supposed to be the same? the zip didn't overwrite /media/IPOD/rockbox.ipod, do I even need this file can I delete it? |
| 18:26:25 | krazykit | there shouldn't be a rockbox.ipod outside of the .rockbox directory. |
| 18:26:32 | Domonoky | sid: the .ipod file in the root is old.. |
| 18:26:54 | Domonoky | you can delete it, and maybe update the bootloader also, (it could be oo old) |
| 18:27:35 | sid | Domonoky: How do I update the boot loader? |
| 18:27:46 | Domonoky | use ipodpatcher or rbutil :-) |
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| 18:31:41 | sid | what syntax/command do I use with ipodpatcher? |
| 18:32:00 | Domonoky | sid: take a look at the manual |
| 18:32:16 | sid | I'm looking at it here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPatcher |
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| 18:33:19 | sid | ./ipodpatcher −−add-bootloader rockbox.ipod ? is that right? |
| 18:33:54 | Domonoky | the manual says the right command, i wont read it for you, take look yourself.. :-) |
| 18:34:44 | sid | So the command I put in here isn't right? the −−add-bootloader? |
| 18:37:00 | amiconn | Domonoky: Does rbutil run on Win9x? |
| 18:37:14 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 18:37:14 | * | amiconn suspects it won't, without recompilation that is |
| 18:37:19 | Domonoky | i am not sure.. i think nobody tried it.. |
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| 18:38:21 | gevaerts | I need to lock a datastructure against concurrent access. Is corelock from thread.h what I'm looking for ? |
| 18:38:25 | Domonoky | for rbutil itself there shouldnt be many problems on win9x, but maybe the patchers wont work.. (direkt diskacess maybe different) |
| 18:39:37 | amiconn | It's rather that win9x doesn't support the unicode api |
| 18:39:49 | amiconn | (which qt might even require) |
| 18:40:10 | Domonoky | perhaps it has to be recompiled with a win9x Qt.. ? |
| 18:40:15 | amiconn | That's why there are 2 fwpatchers (for manual iriver installation) |
| 18:42:35 | Domonoky | Trolltech says normal Qt works on Win98/Me.. so unicode shouldnt really be the problem.. |
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| 18:43:13 | h3av3n | hello everyone |
| 18:43:50 | amiconn | Okay, but win9x might still need a separate build |
| 18:44:06 | h3av3n | i have this question: what improvements does rockbox bring? |
| 18:44:17 | Domonoky | jup, when someone should try it, and report the problems.. |
| 18:44:26 | Domonoky | s/when/then |
| 18:45:43 | Domonoky | h3av3n: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox |
| 18:46:03 | h3av3n | thanx :) |
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| 18:48:38 | h3av3n | sounds so great ! what were the chances for rockbox to work on an Ipod nano rockchip clone? |
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| 18:49:04 | Domonoky | h3av3n: without much work 0% |
| 18:49:41 | h3av3n | damn... <scratches head> |
| 18:50:01 | h3av3n | I've found a lot of firmwares for this one but I'm not so sure of how much i can trust those |
| 18:50:15 | BigBambi | Well, that is off-topic here I'm afraid |
| 18:50:31 | h3av3n | yup... sorry for that... |
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| 18:57:35 | gevaerts | There seem to be two sets of usb_serial.* files in the tree, one (older) for ISP1582, and one using the new PP502x stack. This gives all sorts of fun. What's the best way to resolve this ? |
| 18:58:28 | markun | gevaerts: can't you combine them? |
| 18:58:38 | markun | or is that too much work? |
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| 19:00:36 | gevaerts | markun: I could combine the headers of course, but firmware/usb_serial.c actually looks like a full usb stack, not just a serial driver. And since I have no idea where it is used, nor any way to test if what I do is correct, I'd rather not touch it |
| 19:01:35 | markun | it's used for the ifp port to do some testing, but I don't think anyone has worked on that port in a while |
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| 19:09:51 | gevaerts | markun: it seems to be used from gdb/arm-stub.c, and nowhere else. Any objections to me renaming these to ifp_usb_serial ? |
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| 19:10:48 | markun | nope |
| 19:14:24 | * | gevaerts assumes that "cannot find crt0.o" in a test build for the IFP7XX gdb stub is not caused by this rename |
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| 19:48:24 | Robby | Hi, I'm looking for someone who can add me to the RockBox TWiki writing group. Username is RobertWagner. |
| 19:48:38 | petur | sure, just a sec |
| 19:49:42 | petur | Robby: done |
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| 19:50:22 | Robby | OK Thanks a lot! |
| 19:51:18 | Robby | I will be back in some minutes to upload some information about a SigmaTel based TrekStor. |
| 19:51:31 | pixelma | petur: you have an H10 "pure", right? |
| 19:51:40 | petur | yes |
| 19:52:12 | pixelma | have you ever tried a bootloader installation with rbutil? |
| 19:52:20 | petur | no |
| 19:53:21 | pixelma | hmm, ok. Just wanted to know if it works correctly as it needs an extra step of renaming the file |
| 19:53:50 | petur | I did a manual install |
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| 19:54:17 | petur | also had the problem that the OF was MTP, not UMS |
| 19:55:18 | pixelma | did the UMS trick not work? |
| 19:55:39 | petur | it did, but I wanted full UMS ;) |
| 19:56:07 | pixelma | :) |
| 19:56:14 | petur | when it's in a silicon skin removing the battery is not that much fun |
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| 20:00:15 | pixelma | but getting a "pure" to full UMS is probably not important for the initial install and might become obsolete with Rockbox's own USB stack |
| 20:00:32 | petur | yes |
| 20:03:32 | * | gevaerts now enables logf in usb storage to see how it behaves with usb logf |
| 20:08:07 | gevaerts | My serial logf stops after a while, and I somehow doubt if adding logf() statements in there is a good idea |
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| 20:11:18 | gevaerts | Is corelock in thread.h the right way to go if I need a mutex ? |
| 20:11:49 | * | gevaerts now finds mutex in kernel.h and wonders if that's better |
| 20:12:14 | petur | ata.c uses mutex_init and mutex_lock (fwiw) |
| 20:13:29 | moos | gevaerts: jhMikeS is your man |
| 20:14:07 | gevaerts | A bit more reading of the header files suggests that corelock might be an optional feature, needed to implement mutexes on some architectures. I'll try mutex next |
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| 20:16:51 | thecreator | heeelo. |
| 20:16:53 | * | gevaerts wants to use logf to find this bug but can't because the bug is in the logf code path... |
| 20:17:25 | thecreator | I've got a quick question. I heard iriver supports rockbox. is there a way to get one pre-installed? |
| 20:17:46 | * | petur is in a similar situation: adding logging removes the issue :/ |
| 20:18:20 | gevaerts | In my case it wouldn't remove the issue. It would either dealock or overflow the stack |
| 20:20:16 | krazykit | thecreator, not really, but it's pretty easy to install. |
| 20:21:02 | thecreator | so I can buy the iriver, then get it installed? I think there are manuals...? |
| 20:21:19 | krazykit | thecreator, check the front page for the supported players and a link to the manual |
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| 20:21:35 | thecreator | thanks. will do. I still need to buy it. I was just trying to see if I could be lazy. ;) |
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| 20:22:04 | gevaerts | thecreator: sometimes you can find one on ebay that already has rockbox on it. |
| 20:23:10 | * | thecreator nods. |
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| 20:28:00 | BigBambi | thecreator: iriver does not support Rockbox, Rockbox supports some iriver models, so unless it is second hand and the previous owner has already installed rockbox, you will not find it 'pre-installed' |
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| 20:29:06 | thecreator | thanks. I'll give em a call. their website looks way unaccessible |
| 20:29:28 | desowin | you're talking about iriver store? |
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| 20:30:10 | thecreator | I googled iriver and found iriver intertainment. |
| 20:30:15 | thecreator | that's the site I went to |
| 20:30:21 | thecreator | it's all graphics. and.. ug |
| 20:31:02 | BigBambi | Iriver the company is pretty anti-rockbox. They say on their website for instance that rockbox voids the warranty |
| 20:31:12 | thecreator | wtf! |
| 20:31:55 | BigBambi | Well it is possible to permanently brick the H100 and H300 with rockbox |
| 20:32:04 | thecreator | is there a better moddel to go with? I'd like something around 20 or so gb. |
| 20:32:12 | BigBambi | Personally I find it understandable |
| 20:32:21 | BigBambi | Better model than what? |
| 20:32:34 | Llorean | It pretty much depends on the features you want. |
| 20:32:55 | * | thecreator just wants music. :) I'm not particularly picky |
| 20:33:12 | Llorean | The Gigabeats and iPods both have somewhat newer players that run Rockbox, and are generally much simpler to install on. |
| 20:33:16 | BigBambi | thecreator: Look at www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide |
| 20:33:18 | Llorean | Not that the iRiver installation is difficult. |
| 20:33:35 | | Part pixelma |
| 20:33:39 | Llorean | But iPods don't really provide good tactile feedback for blind users. And Gigabeats are only slightly better (if that). |
| 20:34:02 | thecreator | will do. thanks. I'm not to worried about installation. I'm sure I can get through it. just trying to find the best moddel. |
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| 20:34:34 | BigBambi | Well, that still depends on what you want |
| 20:35:04 | BigBambi | The wiki page I linked has main features of each model (hardware wiase) - Rockbox is the same on all models as far as hardware allows |
| 20:35:14 | thecreator | what do you mean what I want? and thanks. I'll check it out |
| 20:35:40 | BigBambi | What features yo want |
| 20:35:49 | BigBambi | I know what I want, I don't know what you want |
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| 20:36:42 | iamben | what do i do if my sansa e280 won't turn on, even when connected via usb? |
| 20:36:58 | iamben | i hooked it to my PC and it started up, i went to get some food and came back and it was off |
| 20:37:02 | iamben | and now i cant get it to turn back on |
| 20:37:24 | thecreator | check the battery? |
| 20:37:24 | * | thecreator is getting down with "Nickelback - Leader of Men (Acoustic)" (8) |
| 20:37:40 | thecreator | anyway. thanks for the help. I'll check that wiki |
| 20:37:43 | * | thecreator waves |
| 20:37:43 | Llorean | iamben: Try holding down the power button for 25 seconds a couple times, maybe it's frozen somewhere black |
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| 20:37:55 | gevaerts | iamben: it might be on, but frozen with backlight off. Try holding the power button for at least 15 seconds, then it should be really off |
| 20:38:10 | BigBambi | 1:0 Llorean! |
| 20:38:37 | iamben | i move the scroll wheel and it doesnt light up, i think that means its off |
| 20:38:39 | * | Llorean usually recommends holding the power button for a good deal longer than 15 just in case they count faster than I do. |
| 20:38:45 | Llorean | iamben: Unless it's frozen... |
| 20:38:54 | Llorean | The scrollwheel light is still software controlled. |
| 20:39:00 | iamben | oh right =) |
| 20:39:35 | * | gevaerts said "seconds", not "count to 15", but maybe Llorean has a point |
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| 20:41:15 | Llorean | gevaerts: I said seconds too. But many people measure seconds by "how long I think a second is" so I like to be safe. :) |
| 20:41:53 | Llorean | There've already been a few "I got an illegal instruction at SOMEHEX and I can't turn my device off, I tried holding for 15 seconds" that I've just responded to with "hold it longer" :) |
| 20:43:26 | * | gevaerts admits that he sometimes doesn't hold it long enough himself |
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| 20:46:10 | iamben | yeah it was just locked up, thanks guys |
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| 20:48:06 | BigBambi | gevaerts: Good point about the wiki search box, I oftden got that wrong |
| 20:48:31 | Llorean | I'd have to agree, that's a problem. |
| 20:48:39 | Llorean | I got it wrong when I first came here, a *lot* |
| 20:48:48 | Llorean | Even when I knew, I'd forget and try to use it. |
| 20:48:48 | BigBambi | yep |
| 20:49:00 | BigBambi | I still do occasionally |
| 20:49:14 | gevaerts | It caught me a few times as well. And if you're new, it's easy to assume that the search doesn't work |
| 20:50:02 | * | gevaerts also wonders if the "10000 posts" thread will reach 10000 posts |
| 20:50:20 | BigBambi | hah |
| 20:51:14 | Llorean | Our post with the most replies in the whole forum only has 888 |
| 20:51:30 | BigBambi | REP? |
| 20:51:35 | gevaerts | This Go+textbox is also just right of the Search link, which might also confuse matters |
| 20:51:41 | Llorean | I think the Sansa one used to be longer before it was removed, though. It certainly had the most views |
| 20:51:43 | Llorean | BigBambi: Yes. |
| 20:51:53 | Llorean | REP has the most posts, ZVM has the most views |
| 20:51:59 | Llorean | At 98,265 |
| 20:52:05 | BigBambi | blimey |
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| 20:53:57 | Llorean | We seem to average about 85,000 page views a month total for the forums, it seems. |
| 20:55:30 | Llorean | And I'll be the first to admit (or rather, I would be the first to admit, but I think other people have admitted it) that ki's probably right that we need to think of new ways to address some of the problems we have. |
| 20:55:40 | Llorean | The problem is, I have no new ideas, and the people who say that don't actually suggest anything. =/ |
| 20:56:44 | BigBambi | I agree that sometimes it doesn't come across well |
| 20:57:03 | BigBambi | But the problem is how to police softly, and not have people just take advantage |
| 20:57:58 | BigBambi | Or people cry favouritism (mentioning no names...) |
| 20:58:18 | Llorean | That's my problem. I see people take advantage all the time, and in the end I find myself having to come down harder on them, because they think they're not doing anything wrong by the time I say something, and they're more resistant to a request to change behaviour. |
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| 21:00:01 | Llorean | If you don't actually enforce the rules, but say "Hey, we've got these wonderful rules over here, but yeah, you do what you're doing and I'll keep spoon feeding you", the rules don't really matter. =/ |
| 21:00:07 | BigBambi | Perhaps a large part is just we can be a bit short when enforcing rules. I know it is hard when it is all the time, but we (read I) could be a little more verbose when enforcing. |
| 21:00:30 | BigBambi | And none of us are outright rude, but we can tread the line... |
| 21:00:38 | Llorean | I know I've been rude a few times. |
| 21:00:51 | Llorean | But, I think, as a percentage of my posts, it's about average for anyone on the forums. :-P |
| 21:00:54 | BigBambi | But not on first offence I don't think |
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| 21:01:12 | Llorean | Oh, never on a first offence unless I'm ill or having a really bad day and don't manage to stop myself. |
| 21:01:14 | BigBambi | Only if someone is blatantly disregarding, arguing, etc. |
| 21:01:37 | Llorean | One problem is that quite often public people don't see first offenses anyway. |
| 21:01:47 | Llorean | And I have a bad habit of using the actual "delete" button. =/ |
| 21:01:49 | BigBambi | true |
| 21:01:58 | BigBambi | Llorean: boo! :) |
| 21:02:30 | BigBambi | I think it is good not having one of those |
| 21:02:40 | BigBambi | (personally) |
| 21:02:48 | Llorean | We didn't have a "trash" forum when I started. I'm working on breaking the habit though. |
| 21:02:53 | BigBambi | :) |
| 21:03:05 | Llorean | Well, some threads can be deleted outright. Real spam, for example. |
| 21:03:15 | BigBambi | Oh, certainly |
| 21:03:17 | Llorean | I need to go in and clean up the "Spam" forum soon. |
| 21:03:40 | Llorean | And posts where the OP requests that their thread be removed are often save for permanent deletion |
| 21:03:45 | Llorean | Er safe |
| 21:04:16 | Llorean | But I kept the "delete" button out of the hands of as many people as possible for the very reasons I shouldn't use it, it's nice to have a papertrail and reference for each other. |
| 21:04:19 | BigBambi | Yes, the majority can, it is just nice to have a sort of recycle bin for a week or two in case of mistakes etc. |
| 21:04:56 | BigBambi | I know I have 'deleted' something by mistake then reinstated it |
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| 21:05:09 | Llorean | Like in the 10,000 posts thread recently, when everyone thought he was upset about the question of what donation gets you. The actual thread shows no anger, and I'm quite certain he was upset about its removal more than expectations regarding donations. |
| 21:05:26 | BigBambi | yep |
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| 21:08:33 | iamben | ive been out of the loop for a few months, whats the status on usb connectivity? |
| 21:09:04 | gevaerts | iamben: in progress, but not ready yet |
| 21:10:04 | Llorean | gevaerts: I remember seeing you mention at some point needing a comparison between an iPod and a non-iPod. I have an iPod Nano, Sansa c200, Sansa e200, Gigabeat S (no Rockbox on it yet). As well, I can get access to an iPod 5G if necessary. |
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| 21:10:31 | Llorean | Unfortunately right now, I'm on a windows box that I can't compile on, as both of my linux computers are suffering various hardware failures. =/ |
| 21:11:22 | faemir | Llorean: high five for hardware failures. My third harddrive in 3 months just failed. |
| 21:11:46 | gevaerts | iamben: there are a few problems left : (1) signal quality, (2) a bug in the sansa flash driver that only seems to show up when using USB that causes data corruption, and (3) mac osx 10.5 doesn't like it (it crashes) |
| 21:12:06 | Llorean | faemir: One's the power socket on a laptop, which is under warranty so I don't have to do any exploring. The other is unknown at the moment. After the move, the computer made a grinding noise, shuddered, and died. Sounded more like a fan than anything though, so I'm hoping it's that, and a motherboard safety. |
| 21:12:30 | faemir | I hate hardware failure D= |
| 21:14:44 | gevaerts | Llorean: we're still looking for the cause of this signal quality issue, and collecting data from different PP502x players might help, especially if they are tested on the same USB port (which basically means by the same person), since different USB ports seem to have very different tolerance to the issues. |
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| 21:16:31 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: corelock (pure spinlock)/struct spinlock (non-yielding reenterable lock)...bad names :p...are multiprocessor only items for processor core-wise synchronization |
| 21:16:34 | Llorean | gevaerts: Do we take data with the player, or from a PC side application? |
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| 21:18:11 | gevaerts | Llorean: what I do is read a known amount of data (say, 100 MB using dd) and see how often I get USB device resets in the dmesg output. I believe you can get comparable data from counting "error 51" in the windows event log, but I'm not sure. |
| 21:19:06 | faemir | how hard is it to modify the new default rockbox theme to make the icons along the bottom smaller? |
| 21:19:14 | gevaerts | Llorean: a certain way to see if you have signal quality problems is to compare PC fromt USB ports and back USB ports. If back ports consistently work better, your player has bad signals (and your PC has bad front ports, but that's another issue) |
| 21:19:21 | BigBambi | faemir: Not too bad :) |
| 21:19:49 | BigBambi | faemir: The icons are just bmp files, so you can change them to whatever you want |
| 21:19:57 | faemir | BigBambi: I mean, what would I have to do? I've never themed or anything before. I like the theme enough to use it, except the icons are waaaaaaay too big. |
| 21:20:01 | faemir | oh ok |
| 21:20:07 | faemir | Is that all I have to do? |
| 21:20:15 | BigBambi | Yep |
| 21:20:17 | faemir | woot |
| 21:20:19 | faemir | :D |
| 21:20:40 | BigBambi | Have a look at www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWps |
| 21:20:43 | faemir | BigBambi: do you update rockbox daily? |
| 21:20:52 | faemir | I am about to now. |
| 21:21:00 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: I was thinking someting similar from reading the header files. I just need to modify some data that might be accessed by different threads safely. Does struct mutex work for that ? |
| 21:21:01 | BigBambi | faemir: That depends on which target and what is going on |
| 21:21:16 | faemir | BigBambi: that page doesn't exist D= |
| 21:21:16 | BigBambi | Sometimes multiple times per day, sometimes not for a while |
| 21:21:25 | Llorean | gevaerts: Well, I just have a laptop to test with. Well, and a PS3. |
| 21:21:27 | BigBambi | Sorry,www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS |
| 21:22:02 | faemir | I'm so gonna make my own theme >=) |
| 21:22:05 | BigBambi | Cool |
| 21:22:06 | gevaerts | Llorean: actually, I'm interested in what happens with the PS3 |
| 21:23:16 | Llorean | gevaerts: Well, I won't be able to do tests with a PS3 for a day or two, probably. It's still packed somewhere, but as long as it's not suffering hardware failure, remind me and I'll do it. :) |
| 21:23:38 | gevaerts | OK. I'll try to remember |
| 21:23:42 | Llorean | Me too. |
| 21:23:45 | Llorean | Why's the PS3 interesting? |
| 21:24:11 | GodEater | it has shit power supply to it's usb ports in my experience |
| 21:24:21 | faemir | BigBambi: isn't it a bit silly to download the manual to ipod in rbutil when it can only do pdf or html in a zip? =/ |
| 21:24:31 | gevaerts | Because no one has tested the stack with it yet |
| 21:24:33 | soap | For a forum cleanup it would be interesting to have a "moderation by consensus" function. Move all posts of questionable value to one area where they get "voted" on (based on perceived merit) by the staff. Ubermods could exercise veto powers. |
| 21:24:56 | GodEater | gevaerts: I can test that right now if you want |
| 21:25:07 | BigBambi | faemir: Well that way you carry it with you so you can look at it on any PC even without net connection |
| 21:25:08 | gevaerts | Go ahead I'd say |
| 21:25:12 | GodEater | I assume you want both native "PS3 OS" and running linux ? |
| 21:25:34 | gevaerts | That's probably best. Running linux gives some sort of baseline |
| 21:25:47 | faemir | BigBambi: what about say reading it on your ipod? XD |
| 21:26:03 | jhMikeS | gevearts: that's what it's for and for thread context only |
| 21:26:23 | GodEater | gevaerts: I've not updated by build since Friday - should I update ? |
| 21:26:27 | GodEater | s/by/my |
| 21:26:36 | * | gevaerts checks the svn log |
| 21:27:09 | GodEater | Llorean: I thought you said your PS3 was packed away ? |
| 21:27:38 | Llorean | soap: So a "To be voted on" forum and an "Old, gone" forum, both hidden from public view? |
| 21:28:10 | gevaerts | GodEater: depends on when friday. r16457 is the last change that might influence behaviour I think. |
| 21:28:21 | GodEater | I'll update to be safe then |
| 21:28:30 | Llorean | GodEater: "Packed away" meaning "Hooked up and folding, but at a location I'm not" technically. I'm picking it up in a day or two. |
| 21:28:44 | BigBambi | By the time it has been voted on won't it be a bit late? To the poster it looks deleted anyway |
| 21:28:47 | GodEater | Llorean: I did wonder how it could be logged in from inside a box ;) |
| 21:28:54 | Llorean | :) |
| 21:29:14 | Llorean | Sorry, everything I don't have access to right now is, in my mind, "Packed away". |
| 21:29:53 | GodEater | I was about to break some bad news |
| 21:29:59 | GodEater | "Llorean, your PS3 has been stolen" |
| 21:30:03 | Llorean | Hahaha. |
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| 21:30:21 | scorche | soap: forum cleanups usually tend to end up half done due to the sheer number of posts that have to be dealt with |
| 21:30:32 | * | GodEater wonders if there any other fellow rockboxers with PS3s he could add as friends |
| 21:30:35 | Llorean | scorche: I was suggesting a rolling cleanup. |
| 21:30:56 | scorche | in what sort of way? |
| 21:31:06 | Llorean | Basically, make these new forums available, and any time someone is bored, they can move a few old or "repeat" posts there. |
| 21:31:36 | Llorean | Basically, anything over 2 weeks old is fair game, and any posts that don't add anything (all content is in the manual, or all questions are answered in the manual) can be moved to a hidden, unsearchable archive. |
| 21:31:47 | Llorean | The goal being to make search results more relevant, over time. |
| 21:32:20 | BigBambi | Llorean: Are the really old archived pre new-layout forums still required? I'm willing to bet some people search wihout excluding them |
| 21:33:14 | scorche | heh...that would be the half done section |
| 21:33:17 | Llorean | BigBambi: Not any more, I think. |
| 21:33:22 | Llorean | I was planning on hiding that first. |
| 21:33:47 | BigBambi | I think they can be hidden from general view quite happily |
| 21:35:52 | Llorean | Originally I kept them around to ease the transition, but now I'm quite sure if I hide them, I'll just get PMed with "Why was this thread I'd bookmarked removed" if someone cares. |
| 21:36:21 | BigBambi | If they are looking at info from back then I think they are in trouble |
| 21:36:27 | GodEater | Llorean: the answer to which is "because you didn't move it into the wiki in time" :) |
| 21:36:27 | BigBambi | looking/in need of |
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| 21:39:13 | Llorean | GodEater: Hahaha, very possibly. :) |
| 21:39:56 | GodEater | well we've always said it's not the place for static information |
| 21:40:07 | GodEater | people should really come to expect stuff to start disppearing |
| 21:40:13 | GodEater | otherwise it looks like we're lying :D |
| 21:40:34 | * | gevaerts doesn't see what's wrong in this usb-logf code. Maybe just commit it and wait until someone needs it badly enough to fix it |
| 21:40:38 | Llorean | Yeah, there are a few info-posts I don't think I got around to getting back to and removing. |
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| 21:44:28 | Cheekyfella | hello |
| 21:44:46 | Cheekyfella | is there anyone here you can help me - i've got a small problem |
| 21:45:09 | krazykit | only if you say what it is |
| 21:46:02 | Cheekyfella | ok i'm pretty new at rockbox - just installed it on my ipod video and much prefer it - however, when i view a jpeg i can't seem to get out of it |
| 21:46:14 | Cheekyfella | every button i press either zooms in or out |
| 21:46:35 | krazykit | they keymap for that should be in the manual; i'm not familiar with the ipod, really |
| 21:47:29 | Cheekyfella | hmm been looking through the manual and can't find anything on viewing jpegs |
| 21:49:48 | gevaerts | Cheekyfella: I think it's somewhere in the Plugins chapter |
| 21:50:34 | BigBambi | Cheekyfella: I see it: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch9.html#x12-1820009.3.2 |
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| 21:53:24 | Cheekyfella | splendid it would have taken me an age to find that! It works! Thank you! |
| 21:53:51 | GodEater | gevaerts: http://pastebin.com/med96083 |
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| 21:54:11 | scorche | Cheekyfella: the manual can be searched as well...a search for "jpeg" would have found it quite easily |
| 21:54:16 | Cheekyfella | just want to say that rockbox does smack and thank you to all the developers out there that make it work - i hate itunes and hate the way it creates its on folders and stuff and therefore screwing up my very organised folder system |
| 21:54:18 | GodEater | gevaerts: that's without even trying to mount it |
| 21:54:29 | soap | scorche, that is why a "vote off the island" approach would help. |
| 21:54:32 | Cheekyfella | rockbox smacks it |
| 21:54:36 | Cheekyfella | thanks! |
| 21:54:48 | BigBambi | Does smack? |
| 21:54:51 | * | BigBambi is confused |
| 21:54:54 | Cheekyfella | does smack it |
| 21:54:59 | BigBambi | Is that good or bad? |
| 21:54:59 | GodEater | I think that means it's good |
| 21:55:03 | Cheekyfella | sorry typing too fast |
| 21:55:03 | Cheekyfella | very good |
| 21:55:07 | BigBambi | Oh, good |
| 21:55:13 | soap | voting allows you to passively remove posts w/o discussion and without one sourpuss removing valid posts. |
| 21:55:17 | Cheekyfella | london slang sorry |
| 21:55:20 | soap | making cleanup easy. |
| 21:55:32 | * | BigBambi has never heard it |
| 21:55:41 | Cheekyfella | where are you from? |
| 21:55:41 | BigBambi | Anyway, off topic |
| 21:55:47 | BigBambi | Near london |
| 21:55:48 | Cheekyfella | yes sorry |
| 21:55:51 | Cheekyfella | oh right |
| 21:56:03 | BigBambi | Anyway, glad you like it |
| 21:56:18 | Cheekyfella | i do thanks |
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| 21:56:45 | * | GodEater thinks the log supports his "sucky power to usb ports on ps3" theory |
| 21:56:53 | gevaerts | GodEater: looks like horrible signal quality to me. Let's try again when that is solved |
| 21:57:00 | * | gevaerts agrees |
| 21:57:17 | GodEater | don't get it with the OF |
| 21:57:25 | GodEater | I assume you knew that though ;) |
| 21:57:29 | Llorean | GodEater: I have a USB powered HD running off a PS3 USB port without problems, I watch movies off it. |
| 21:57:32 | gevaerts | I assumed that, yes |
| 21:57:43 | GodEater | Llorean: must just be mine then |
| 21:57:46 | * | Llorean wonders if it's a difference between the good US PS3s, and the crappy euro PS3s. |
| 21:57:47 | Cheekyfella | can i just ask another quick question i downloaded and installed this theme on my ipod - DGT1.4 and it doesn't seem to be working |
| 21:57:55 | Cheekyfella | it is an ipod theme or not? |
| 21:57:56 | GodEater | I can only run usb powered things if I plug them in in the right order |
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| 21:58:06 | BigBambi | Cheekyfella: Where is it from? |
| 21:58:18 | Cheekyfella | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIriverH300#DGT1_4 |
| 21:58:28 | GodEater | Llorean: for instance, I have to have the keyboard on the right most port, then the ipod, and then the mouse |
| 21:58:31 | BigBambi | Which iPod do you have? |
| 21:58:34 | Llorean | GodEater: Well, I only have one plugged in. I'll have to remember to test a USB build once I get it back in my possession. |
| 21:58:36 | GodEater | otherwise not all the devices get power |
| 21:58:41 | Cheekyfella | ipod video 80 gig |
| 21:58:47 | BigBambi | Then no |
| 21:58:48 | Llorean | Oh, I've never had problem with keyboard/mouse at all. |
| 21:58:59 | Cheekyfella | grr looked like a good theme |
| 21:59:01 | BigBambi | That is for the iRiver H300 (and others with the same size screen) |
| 21:59:01 | GodEater | I don't get it if the ipod isn't plugged in |
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| 21:59:10 | Cheekyfella | oh well thanks anyway |
| 21:59:10 | Llorean | Anyway, not really relevant here, I suppose |
| 21:59:16 | GodEater | probably not |
| 21:59:18 | BigBambi | Cheekyfella: The name of the page was a clue :) |
| 21:59:33 | Cheekyfella | yeah only realised that when i copied and pasted it |
| 21:59:36 | Cheekyfella | doh |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:04 | BigBambi | Check rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org and www.rockbox.org/wiki/WpsGallery |
| 22:00:18 | | Quit defukt () |
| 22:00:42 | BigBambi | But many may not work - they will either require patches or are out of date |
| 22:01:11 | GodEater | might prove relevant eventually Llorean - as it's clearly the worst USB host we've found so far in terms of signal |
| 22:01:22 | GodEater | well - worst that doesn't completely hose the host OS anyway |
| 22:01:54 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 22:02:03 | Llorean | That's true, your PS3 might be an ideal testing platform. |
| 22:02:06 | Cheekyfella | @bigbambi in that link you just gave me what should i then goto? as ipod vedio 80 gig isn't an option |
| 22:02:17 | BigBambi | Just ipod video |
| 22:02:21 | Cheekyfella | just ipod video - 5g |
| 22:02:24 | BigBambi | yep |
| 22:02:32 | BigBambi | They have the same screen size |
| 22:02:37 | GodEater | Llorean: we should get linuxstb to test on his too |
| 22:02:40 | GodEater | he has the same model as me |
| 22:02:49 | Llorean | Good idea. |
| 22:02:49 | Cheekyfella | oh right cool |
| 22:03:04 | Cheekyfella | thank you! right i'm off thanks for all your help! |
| 22:03:17 | | Quit Cheekyfella (" Want to be different? HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") |
| 22:07:05 | linuxstb | GodEater: I've just connected my ipod to my PS3 - works fine... |
| 22:07:16 | GodEater | show off |
| 22:07:18 | GodEater | :) |
| 22:07:24 | GodEater | I must have a crappy PS3 |
| 22:07:32 | * | linuxstb shrugs |
| 22:07:49 | linuxstb | At least, it read the partition table without any resets - I'm just going to do a read test now |
| 22:09:30 | gevaerts | rasher's build server scores again |
| 22:10:12 | linuxstb | It seems to be better than my PC - it read a 300MB directory without any resets at all... |
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| 22:12:54 | gevaerts | And your PC is already better than average... |
| 22:13:16 | linuxstb | I know :) |
| 22:13:39 | gevaerts | Which makes you useless for testing ;-) |
| 22:13:45 | linuxstb | Still going - 4th copy of the same directory, and still no resets. |
| 22:13:50 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: ping (hardware repair question) |
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| 22:18:11 | Lear | jhMikeS: Backlight response is kind of sluggish nowdays, possibly after r16444. Any idea on something simple I could try? |
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| 22:25:03 | webguest36 | hi i'm trying to install rockbox on my ipod but when it reboots it doesn't start rockbox it just stays in the apple logo. i tried to install it again because the last time i turned it on it didn't start. i was working perfectly before. |
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| 22:31:54 | linuxstb | webguest36: What did you do to try and install it again? It sounds like your bootloader installation is now broken. |
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| 22:32:22 | * | linuxstb shrugs some more |
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| 22:34:18 | roolku | well, that would have been too easy... |
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| 22:34:29 | gevaerts | could someone review firmware/usbstack/usb_serial.c ? It stops sending data after a while, and I can't seem to figure out why. |
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| 22:36:05 | barrywardell | gevaerts: sorry I had to disappear in a hurry on Friday - had no internet access all weekend. |
| 22:36:50 | gevaerts | barrywardell: no problem. I just have to remember what was going on then... |
| 22:36:59 | barrywardell | gevaerts: I've tested latest svn and it still kills my mac (as you can tell by the amount of times I've had to reboot and reconnect to irc in the past few minutes) |
| 22:37:21 | bertrik | gevaerts: what OS are you testing usb serial on? usbserial.sys has some issues with packets that are exactly the size of an usb packet |
| 22:37:51 | gevaerts | barrywardell: Are you using high speed ? maybe try full speed |
| 22:37:52 | barrywardell | I tried removing that usb_drv_stall line you suggested and still no luck. any suggestions? |
| 22:38:25 | barrywardell | yeah, high speed. I also no longer get a disk even detected. It detected but failed to mount before |
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| 22:38:31 | barrywardell | I'll try full speed now |
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| 22:39:11 | barrywardell | it was commit 16448 that caused the problem btw. |
| 22:39:14 | gevaerts | bertrik: I'm on linux, but packet size shouldn't be an issue here. It also fails after a while when the sent packets are limited to 128 bytes (on high speed) |
| 22:40:30 | gevaerts | barrywardell: did you try later revisions as well ? |
| 22:40:55 | barrywardell | gevaerts: yes, I've been trying latest svn just now with the same result |
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| 22:42:20 | amiconn | Hmm. That solution for the m:robe100 colours still needs some work |
| 22:42:34 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: what sort of? |
| 22:43:16 | jhMikeS | Lear: I know. The backlight thread priority is too low for things as they are atm. |
| 22:43:25 | Davide-NYC | Hi, I have a headphone jack issue on an iAudio X5. Not sure if this is right place to talk about it though. |
| 22:43:43 | jhMikeS | PM? |
| 22:43:58 | cg | gevaerts: probably not related, but i cant understand the logic on line 85-86 (the MIN() usage) |
| 22:44:22 | gevaerts | barrywardell: we'll see what full speed gives |
| 22:44:58 | amiconn | It's an incomplete hack (I am thinking about moving the colours into the target config files, making them consistent between screenshot & sim) |
| 22:45:07 | cg | could not the MIN(length,available_space) on line 86 be replaced with just length there? |
| 22:45:26 | Llorean | amiconn: Sounds like a good idea |
| 22:45:28 | amiconn | Also, the current solution will cause the greyscale lib display to be negative on mr100 |
| 22:45:41 | amiconn | In the sim, that is |
| 22:46:13 | gevaerts | cg: good spot. The second MIN() is indeed redundant |
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| 22:46:33 | * | amiconn has another idea how that could be handled, which would at the same time add simulation of lcd_invert |
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| 22:49:18 | gevaerts | Further testing does show that it might be host-side or bus reset related. I'll look further in that direction |
| 22:49:27 | pixelma | rasher's server makes the build table look... interesting... :) |
| 22:49:39 | rasher | What, still? |
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| 22:50:18 | * | amiconn wonders what the heck rasher is doing with (or to?) his server |
| 22:50:41 | rasher | I switched rbclient's shell to dash, but apparently failed to make PATH be set properly |
| 22:51:22 | amiconn | Why not just stick to the quasi-standard, bash? |
| 22:51:47 | * | gevaerts is now testing on full speed |
| 22:52:42 | rasher | amiconn: To expose errors. |
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| 22:53:02 | rasher | These are not the errors I had in mind though.. |
| 22:53:04 | gevaerts | rasher: that seems to work ;) |
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| 22:54:10 | roolku | make[1]: arm-elf-gcc: Command not found ?? not my fault (i hope) |
| 22:54:16 | gevaerts | barrywardell: Does this disconnect mean it's still not working ? |
| 22:54:25 | barrywardell | yep :( |
| 22:54:36 | rasher | roolku: my server's a bit broken |
| 22:54:36 | barrywardell | that was at full speed |
| 22:55:01 | barrywardell | gevaerts: the problem only happens as I disconnect my H10. as long as I leave it connected, I'm fine |
| 22:55:35 | gevaerts | barrywardell: fine as in "it doesn't crash" or fine as in "it sees the device" ? |
| 22:55:48 | barrywardell | fine as in it doesn't crash |
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| 22:57:17 | pikhq | I seem to have come across a bit of a bug on my Sansa e200. . . |
| 22:57:39 | pikhq | I just installed the latest Rockbox build, and now, whenever I plug my Sansa in, the screen shuts off. |
| 22:58:31 | gevaerts | barrywardell: and this started on 16448 ? Did it see the device before that, or did it just not crash ? |
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| 22:59:32 | pikhq | (r16489M-080302) |
| 22:59:51 | barrywardell | yes. it saw the device and didn't crash before r16448. it also seemed to manage to read the partition table, but didn't get as far as being able to mount the device |
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| 23:00:12 | gevaerts | pikhq: there seems to be an issue on sansa that makes some builds fail on reboot, and others not. As far as I understand, it's not clear why. The best thing you can do is just try another revision. |
| 23:00:28 | gevaerts | barrywardell: I'm re-reading the diff |
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| 23:00:51 | pixelma | pikhq: or just connect the player to USB from an off state |
| 23:01:31 | barrywardell | gevaerts: now it detects the composite (but not mass storage) device |
| 23:02:31 | gevaerts | composite ? Unless you have serial enabled on the latest revisions, it should only see mass storage... |
| 23:02:59 | * | pikhq wonders how the work on USB is going. . . |
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| 23:05:42 | roolku | amiconn: moving the colours to the config files might be an idea, it is bit of a mess with the byte order (the bmp structure needs them inverted) |
| 23:05:50 | gevaerts | barrywardell: could you try just removing all usb_drv_stall() calls from usb_storage.c ? Those are optional according to my reading of the spec. The other changes should all be correct... |
| 23:06:27 | barrywardell | gevaerts: OK, I'll try that now |
| 23:07:01 | amiconn | roolku: The R, G and B values need to be handled separately (I am thinking about putting them into a string, separated by commas, in order to avoid having 6 #defines |
| 23:07:03 | gevaerts | pikhq: we're currently stuck on three issues : (1) bad signal quality, (2) a bug in the sansa flash driver that only seems to show up when using USB that causes data corruption, and (3) mac osx 10.5 doesn't like it (the mac crashes when unplugging) |
| 23:07:22 | amiconn | Then that string can be used as an argument to various other macros |
| 23:07:25 | pikhq | Galois: Quite a few frankly bizarre issues. ;) |
| 23:08:12 | * | gevaerts assumes pikhq uses tab-completion |
| 23:08:21 | * | pikhq does |
| 23:08:24 | pikhq | And it shows. XD\ |
| 23:08:27 | stripwax | gevaerts - any idea about the occasional data abort I saw before? |
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| 23:09:32 | gevaerts | stripwax: I haven't seen it here, but there have been some alignment-related fixes over time |
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| 23:11:25 | gevaerts | pikhq: once (1) and (3) are fixed, we can probably enable it on non-sansa. |
| 23:11:33 | roolku | amiconn: a hex string like "ff00ff"? could mean some complex macros, but feasable I suppose...why a string, wouldn be a 6 digit hex number be easier? mask the bytes out with shifts and ands? |
| 23:12:21 | pikhq | Too bad I'm on Sansa, then. |
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| 23:12:43 | pikhq | Ah well; guess I'm not in too much of a position to complain. |
| 23:12:53 | TheBashar | Can anyone point me to where I can find info on the buffer debug screen. Google isn't finding it for me. I'm trying to find a way to reliably reproduce fs#8455. |
| 23:12:53 | amiconn | No, I just mean the equivalent of what uisdl.h currently uses |
| 23:13:02 | gevaerts | pikhq: I'm on sansa as well... |
| 23:13:07 | pikhq | Maybe if I bother setting up a cross-compiler and start fiddling around, though. . . |
| 23:13:16 | amiconn | #define LCD_FGCOLOR 0, 0, 0 |
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| 23:13:51 | amiconn | It's fairly simple to extract the individual colour members from that |
| 23:14:23 | amiconn | A hex value would work equally well, by shifting & masking |
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| 23:16:05 | amiconn | I also think that the "natural" display inversion should be a definable flag, not determined by defining a foreground and background colour |
| 23:16:44 | * | gevaerts now compiled with -DLOGF_ENABLE for ultimate usb-serial stresstesting |
| 23:16:57 | amiconn | So the config-*.h files would be extended by 2 new values at maximum, a backlight colour (for non-colour LCDs), and a flag, e.g. LCD_NEGATIVE |
| 23:16:59 | roolku | amiconn: it is not quite an inversion - the black background turns reddish and the silver forground turns bright red |
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| 23:17:57 | roolku | amiconn: I tried you suggestion first, but thought the current way would be more flexible |
| 23:18:06 | amiconn | It's an inversion in the sense that the set pixels are brighter than the background pixels, i.e. the opposite of the normal non-colour targets |
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| 23:18:23 | amiconn | The fact that the black pixels are not completely black is a non-ideal contrast, as known for LCDs |
| 23:19:34 | amiconn | It might be slightly more flexible in the sense that we can also simulate the non-ideal behaviour of the display. I don't think this is a good idea |
| 23:19:39 | roolku | I suppose it is a question how realistic a look we want |
| 23:19:50 | amiconn | But the disadvantage is that it inverts *everything*, i.e. also the greylib |
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| 23:20:15 | amiconn | And you certainly don't want to view your photos as photographic negatives... |
| 23:20:22 | * | Bagder spots "the most recent build took 3mins 59secs" ... |
| 23:20:49 | * | gevaerts is proud to have triggered that build |
| 23:20:55 | amiconn | A separate inversion flag would avoid that |
| 23:20:58 | Bagder | well triggered! |
| 23:21:52 | roolku | amiconn: but this is a feature of the display as well, isn't it? the fact that forground is brighter than background? |
| 23:22:17 | amiconn | Yes, so the greyscale lib has to adjust for it. Easy on target, but needs extra hint for the sim |
| 23:22:22 | roolku | amiconn: so the lib would deal with that already |
| 23:22:42 | amiconn | The lib will not handle it itself |
| 23:23:02 | amiconn | The handling would happen in lcd_grey_phase_blit() - dead trivial, but target only |
| 23:23:47 | amiconn | And even if the lib would handle it internally, it would still need a hint. Imho it makes sense to have this info in the platform config file then |
| 23:23:58 | roolku | and I take it the screen dump works on the unprocessed argument..I see |
| 23:24:00 | rasher | Bagder: seems things are faster without my buildserver. Might as well disable it entirely then |
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| 23:24:18 | Bagder | hehe |
| 23:24:34 | Bagder | well, it varies over time and it's not easy to tell exactly why |
| 23:25:10 | gevaerts | As long as those servers are not dedicated, there's bound to be some variation in system load |
| 23:25:22 | Bagder | indeed |
| 23:25:49 | roolku | amiconn: I had a look at the blit function, but without controller docs it seems quite tricky to do - the update function is a nested loop, so using these commands is probably too slow? |
| 23:26:04 | amiconn | ? |
| 23:26:45 | roolku | let me look the names up... |
| 23:28:09 | * | rasher further breaks things |
| 23:28:24 | rasher | At least it's not building now, so the table will be unharmed |
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| 23:30:28 | gevaerts | barrywardell: no success ? |
| 23:30:32 | barrywardell | gevaerts: removing the stalls makes my mac no longer lock up on disconnect :) |
| 23:31:12 | roolku | amiconn: if I understand correctly the lcd_blit and lcd_grey_phase_blit transfer a memory copy of the frambuffer to the controller without breaking it into individual pixels |
| 23:31:24 | gevaerts | That's good news. Now I just have to test if Windows still connects properly then. I'll do that tomorrow |
| 23:31:37 | amiconn | no |
| 23:32:01 | amiconn | lcd_blit works just like lcd_update, but from a caller provided buffer instead of the standard framebuffer |
| 23:32:53 | amiconn | lcd_grey_phase_blit is a little more complex: it reads from the greybuffers (phases and values), and calculates the next pixel value (ste or unset) using a bresenham-like algorithm |
| 23:33:23 | barrywardell | gevaerts: I you need me to, I can see if it's necessary to remove them all. It would require a lot of reboots and would be very time consuming though so I won't do it unless you think it's necessary |
| 23:33:24 | amiconn | It then packs those pixels and writes them to the lcd controller, without intermediate storage |
| 23:33:35 | roolku | ah, okay |
| 23:33:43 | barrywardell | gevaerts: I can test with windows in a vm on my mac now... |
| 23:34:07 | amiconn | The structure off all these 3 (lcd_update_rect(), lcd_blit() and lcd_grey_phase_blit()) is very similar |
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| 23:34:51 | amiconn | But the driver could need a bit of optimisation anyway, and it should be possible to figure out the controller type |
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| 23:35:12 | amiconn | The command set is very similar to the SSD1815 |
| 23:35:51 | GrooveStix | hey folks, I got a question :) |
| 23:36:07 | gevaerts | barrywardell: I would like to keep the stall() on line 769 (the last one), and those on lines 306 and 307 (in case WAITING_FOR_COMMAND). If I'm not forgetting anything all others are optional in the spec. |
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| 23:36:12 | GrooveStix | I got a Gigabeat F10, and my HDD died, so I wanted to replace it... I was looking at the MK2004GAL ones(20 gigs), but is it possible to get one with even bigger capacity ? what can I use with my f10 ? |
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| 23:37:02 | roolku | lowlight aparently emailed the manufacturer of the display and they claimed it was a proprietary controller |
| 23:37:20 | gevaerts | barrywardell: if that windows test succeeds (with the 3 stalls I mentionned put back), feel free to commit that |
| 23:37:43 | barrywardell | gevaerts: ok, I'll do some testing now and report back |
| 23:38:16 | scorche | GrooveStix: well, you can get larger, but without the bigger backplate, you will only be able to fit single platter drives in |
| 23:38:53 | GrooveStix | scorche: as in the same size as the last one, right? |
| 23:38:58 | * | amiconn would probably try to find a MK4007GAL |
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| 23:39:44 | amiconn | These are not easy to find though |
| 23:40:07 | GrooveStix | yea, nothing on eBay |
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| 23:41:13 | GrooveStix | plus the MK4007GAL goes for over $150 which is a lot |
| 23:45:00 | amiconn | You can use all the drives with 50-Pin interface and single platter (5mm height), see here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement#1_8_Drive_Comparison |
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| 23:45:54 | TheBashar | Can anyone briefly explain the meaning of any of the following buffer debug screen items: pcm (fraction), alloc (frac), usefl (frac), data_rem, pcmbufdesc? |
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| 23:47:07 | Llorean | TheBashar: They really aren't useful information unless you know the code they relate to. Briefly, they provide information about how the buffer is being used by the playback code. |
| 23:47:30 | cg | gevaerts: just a theory, not sure if something like this could really happen... if sendout() is called from usb_serial_control_request and usb_drv_send_nonblocking() immediately results in usb_serial_transfer_complete() busy_sending might be left true |
| 23:47:40 | GrooveStix | amiconn: you're God! thanks! |
| 23:47:48 | TheBashar | Llorean: I'm trying to reproduce buffering bug fs#8455 and I thought understanding some of those might help. |
| 23:48:36 | barrywardell | gevaerts: leaving those 3 stalls in doesn't appear to cause any problems on my mac |
| 23:49:12 | cg | gevaerts: because usb_serial_control does not use the mutex and sendout() sets busy_sending true only after call tousb_drv_send_nonblocking() |
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| 23:50:33 | bobbie | >< I need help with the rockbox |
| 23:50:35 | gevaerts | cg: usb_serial_control_request and usb_serial_transfer_complete can't be called at the same time (they are in the same thread). The mutex should probably be there though. Anyway, I think it's the linux usbserial driver reacting badly to the bad signal quality. It seems to work fine at full speed |
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| 23:51:37 | pixelma | yeah... |
| 23:51:43 | cg | gevaerts: ok |
| 23:52:49 | gevaerts | barrywardell: That was mostly expected, since the only happen on real errors (i.e. the host does something wrong, as opposed to the host does something we can't deal with right now as in the other cases) |
| 23:53:00 | gevaerts | barrywardell: good to see it confirmed though |
| 23:53:14 | GrooveStix | amiconn: maybe that page you gave me, should go onto http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort under some sort of "if your HDD is faulty" or "if you want to upgrade your HDD" |
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| 23:53:37 | * | amiconn wonders whether one of the bigger ipods (PP502x) can be run while being open, so that it would be possible to measure voltages at the output pins of the various voltage regulators |
| 23:53:45 | amiconn | (PCF50605, TEA1211) |
| 23:54:00 | GrooveStix | or simply under " Hardware Information" ? |
| 23:55:14 | * | gevaerts waits for a big-ipod owner to volunteer |
| 23:55:45 | amiconn | Then this would need to be done with the OF in usb mode, and rockbox afterwards |
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| 23:57:15 | Soap_ | volunteer what gevaerts? |
| 23:57:27 | Soap_ | and is a 60GB 5th gen a "big-ipod"? |
| 23:57:29 | amiconn | I would guess that the best candidates would be a G4 greyscale or colour |
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| 23:58:12 | scorche | is it still desired to *possibly* move the forums to another host? |
| 23:58:23 | amiconn | The later ones are miniatuurized further, and the Minis can't be operated while being open (touchwheel must be disconnected while disassembling) |
| 23:58:28 | Soap_ | and are you refering to running open to monitor voltages? |
| 23:58:42 | amiconn | yes |
| 23:58:54 | amiconn | I have an open 1st Gen, but that's useless wrt the usb problems |
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