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#rockbox log for 2008-03-03

00:00:13amiconnThe chip pin spacing is the same size on all relevant ipods (as its the same chips which we're interested in), but I expect the chips to be more closely packed on 5th Gen
00:02:04Soap_when I get home I'll look at board scans and try to figure out where said chips are, and how plausable it is to run the device while in an open state.
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00:05:33amiconn0.5mm pin spacing...
00:07:06gevaertsShorting these might void your warranty I guess
00:08:33Soap_but this needs to be done, doesn't it.
00:10:56gevaertsIt would provide useful information anyay
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00:12:31gevaertsI added a wiki page with the current USB stack status ( Any suggestions on where to add links to it ?
00:13:09*gevaerts means of course
00:13:42Lloreangevaerts: ?
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00:16:33barrywardellgevaerts: I don't get windows (in a vm on osx) showing my H10 as a drive any more. I can't tell if it's because I removed the stalls - when I add them back in os x locks up again :(
00:16:57gevaertsLlorean: I added it there to the Projects & Discussions section
00:17:16gevaertsbarrywardell: I'll test tomorrow.
00:17:31barrywardellgevaerts: thanks
00:18:16cggevaerts: another theory. if for some reason buffer_length got negative value, for example due to line 131 having wrong length, the if() on line 135 would still be true. maybe if(buffer_length>0) would be safer?
00:18:54cgbut enough theories, time to sleep
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00:19:29gevaertscg: if that happens, status shouldn't be 0 (unless there is a serious hardware bug...)
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00:19:51ffm_Do developers need iPod classic/2gennano firmware dumps? I'd be happy to provide them.
00:20:18ffm_there are two partitions on the ipod (as shown ), and the first looks like a firmware one.
00:22:12*gevaerts is off to write a mail to the dev mailing list to tell everyone that logf-over-usb seems usable
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00:23:45Beta2Kffm_, they were just saying they'd like some voltage readings :)
00:23:59scorcheBeta2K: wrong device
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00:24:16Beta2KOh crud
00:24:22Beta2KWow I can't read today...
00:24:32Beta2KI read "ipod 2nd gen"
00:24:54ffmBeta2K: second genration in the nano line.
00:24:56*Beta2K thinks he needs sleep
00:26:09stripwaxffm - unencrypted?
00:26:38ffmstripwax: idk.
00:26:52ffmstripwax: iirc, the 2nd nano is encrypted.
00:27:00scorcheit should be
00:28:02ffmscorche: en, or un?
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00:29:03ffmwill a "cat /dev/sdg1 > foobar.raw" work, or do I _have_ to use dd?
00:29:24gevaertsffm: cat should work
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00:31:30cggevaerts: well, theoretically length could get negative value if passed to usb_serial_send(). then usb_serial_transfer_complete() would not need status 0, but buffer_length would stay negative and continue calling sendout()
00:31:59cggevaerts: this would probably require some sort of programming error somewhere else...
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00:34:39gevaertscg: I added some checks now
00:35:16ffmscorche: am I missing somethign, or is my magical first six sectors empty? fdisk reports them as such.
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00:37:15ffmis it illegal for me to upload a dump of my firmware?
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00:37:35ffmI don't want to violate the DMCA/get sued by apple.
00:38:38Beta2KHonestly? Probably.
00:39:38Beta2KI know there have been gentle requests made by M$ in regards to people having flash dumps from Xbox's
00:40:03Beta2KTho no one that I know of has been sued/charged
00:40:06ffmBeta2K: what's the chance of me personaly being sued?
00:40:10Beta2KOnly asked ot pleaseremove it
00:40:21ffmBeta2K: and will rockbox remove it when asked, and if they do , will they tell me?
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00:40:55Beta2KThat, I have no idea about :)
00:41:04ffmBeta2K: and if they remove it, can I still be sued?
00:41:21ffms/i/"I and or they"/
00:41:25rasherffm: Unless I'm missing something, it is definitely illegal. "Rockbox" will probably remove it even if not asked.
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00:41:41scorcheffm: where were you planning on uploading it?
00:42:11scorchei *think* some have already had a look at it, but i am not sure...
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00:47:43scorcheffm: you might be better off bringing this up a few hours ago (in terms of timing)...many contributors are european, especially the ones who have had a look into this
00:49:25ffmscorche: I was going to attach it to a forum posting.
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00:49:47scorcheffm: wouldnt be able to do that anyway due to limits we impose on forums attachments
00:50:10ffmscorche: kk. I'll put it on
00:51:20ffmscorche: darn, I'm over their 50 mb limit.
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00:53:54krazykitffm, you had the word right the first time ;)
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01:16:43soapIs it over 50MB even when in a .zip?
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01:25:45ffmsoap: lets seee..
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01:26:28ffmsoap: .zip? I'm insulted. All the cool kids use gzip, or even better, bzip2
01:27:10Beta2KIs the firmware already compressed?
01:27:19ffmin any case, 19.5mb (bzip2) and 20mb (zip)
01:27:26Beta2KAs in on the disk, being that's it's encrypted.
01:27:26ffmBeta2K: it would appear not.
01:27:39ffmBeta2K: uploading...
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01:29:25Beta2KApparently, what's the original file size?
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01:30:45linuxstb_I don't know about the other newer ipods, but at least for the 2nd Gen Nano, the contents of the firmware partition is just what Apple make available for download - see
01:30:59linuxstb_So dumps aren't needed - Apple make them available...
01:31:09Negi[Jew]oh word
01:31:35Negi[Jew]are there any breakthroughs in the 2g nano hacking or whatever
01:32:07ffmBeta2K: 95 mb.
01:32:29linuxstb_Negi[Jew]: Not that we've heard about.
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01:38:07ffmso isn't useful?
01:40:59Beta2KThere's got to be more to it...
01:41:18Beta2KDid you look at the dump you made?
01:46:22Hodappwtf are you guys talking about?
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01:47:01Beta2KLong story? :)
01:47:05krazykitHodapp, logs are available if you want to catch up...
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01:51:12Beta2KLOL, the first few lines of the firmware is a ASCII "Stop" sign :)
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01:56:55Beta2KSo ffm
01:57:09Beta2KAre you going to be mad at me if I say they look the same so far?
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02:00:07linuxstbBeta2K: What look the same?
02:00:45Beta2Kthe dump vs the downloaded file from the site you quoted
02:02:18Beta2Kthe dump has a bunch of 0's padding the end (about 70 meg worth)
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02:22:15Beta2KNope, byte-by-byte diff from 0x0 to 0x170b7ff found no differences form the dump to the apple supplied file
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02:43:03Eightdollapimpne one alive?
02:43:24advcomp2019Eightdollapimp, yea but just say it
02:43:47Eightdollapimpjust curious if there is a build for gen 2 nano...or will the gen 1 build work?
02:44:22Eightdollapimpcuz im using the utility installer and its not recognizing the ipod nano gen 2
02:44:30Eightdollapimpmakes the folder but doesnt install it
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02:45:20FebsRockbox does not support the second generation Nano.
02:45:39Eightdollapimpight thank you
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03:35:10soapwhy do we tell users who are having trouble getting into disk mode (with a working iPod bootloader) to keep trying the Select + Play button combo.
03:35:15soapoops - ?
03:36:20LloreanBecause half the time I forget to tell them to turn on hold instead.
03:36:22soapIs there a reason we don't simply say "If you are able to reboot flick the hold switch to the on (red) position and let the Apple original firmware take over"?
03:36:30Davide-NYCI'm getting an "Error 2" in make under Cygwin even after "make clean" and reconfigure.
03:36:34soapJust curious if my brain was misfiring.
03:37:15LloreanBut Disk Mode is "guaranteed" to work.
03:37:26Davide-NYC"make[1]: *** [rocks] Error 2" and "make: *** [build] Error 2"
03:37:31LloreanApple OS isn't, if they've done something horrible (unlikely though)
03:38:02scorcheDavide-NYC: the important part is before that
03:38:09soapyou stole my post you big meanie!
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03:38:36Davide-NYCLong list of *.o files the last of which was disktidy.
03:38:50Davide-NYCyou want the whole list?
03:38:56Lloreansoap: I can't imagine he's doing it right though, if he's failing now. My best guess is he's still holding Select+Play too late.
03:39:02scorcheDavide-NYC: pastebin the whole thing
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03:39:50soapunless he coincidentally has a broken Play button. Very odd coincidence if so.
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03:40:14soapand kill my recent bump if it is over the line.
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03:44:31Lloreansoap: Actually, it's not at all. In fact, I was about to ask you if you think it would be going to far to write in the rules that Developers, Moderators, and Experts are explicitly allowed to, at their discretion choose to ignore any of the posted guidelines, so long as they feel it's necessary for blah blah better functioning etc.
03:45:02LloreanDavide-NYC: That doesn't look like the whole log
03:46:34Davide-NYCLlorean: where do I find the log?
03:47:00Davide-NYCor do I have to run make again and redirect the output?
03:47:03LloreanThere's no explicit log file.
03:47:08LloreanYou'll have to redirect all the output.
03:47:16LloreanBecause the errors are further up than what you're showing, it looks like.
03:47:34Davide-NYCam doing
03:48:05corfyMy name is Jason Corfman. I'd like to request permission to edit the wiki so I can add a FM preset file I made for Indiana.
03:48:28Davide-NYCurghh, must make clean
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03:52:01Beta2KAnyone know what file I'd find kernel_entry() in ?
03:52:02plbany ideas how long before iaudio d2 is supported? -)
03:53:12Davide-NYCOK: here it is...
03:53:27Lloreanplb: There's no way to predict.
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03:54:13plbyeah figured that...pity I just got a d2 and have been watching rockbox videos on youtube and now I want rockbox on this thing heh
03:54:28cm0Ok, i'm new to this.. I see the plugin docs, but where do you actually download them??
03:54:44Lloreancorfy: Done
03:54:52corfyLlorean, thanks
03:54:55Lloreancm0: They're included, as per the manual
03:55:22cm0oh snap, all of 'em? thanks
03:55:43LloreanDavide-NYC: I don't see a mention of an error at all in that paste.
03:55:56LloreanDavide-NYC: Did you redirect all output? &> ?
03:56:24Davide-NYCNo, I didn't. The last two lines are the same as posted earlier though.
03:56:41Davide-NYC"make[1]: *** [rocks] Error 2" and "make: *** [build] Error 2"
03:57:05LloreanBut we need stderr, which I think wouldn't be redirected...
03:57:21LloreanI can't really tell you what's wrong without the lines that actually contain the error messages. ;)
03:57:43LloreanAnd I'm *pretty* sure they don't show up on stdout.
03:57:45Davide-NYCI presume stderr is what comes up at the console even after a simple > redirect and that is what I just posted.
03:57:56Davide-NYCOK I'll run it again.
03:58:01LloreanTry it with &>
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03:58:18*Llorean hopes he got that right.
03:59:20cm0what's the list of supported video playback formats for an e200? Not seeing them on the file formats table in the manual
04:00:34cm0had a feeling that was it, thanks
04:00:38jhMikeSmpeg-1 as well
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04:08:21Davide-NYCLlorean: bad news, &> changes nothing except for adding the two lines I specified earlier to the end of the file.
04:08:38Davide-NYCSomething's up with Cygwin maybe?
04:08:49Davide-NYCmaybe I should DL fresh everything?
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06:49:24CAINhello all
06:49:42CAINcan anyone help with a sandisk c240?
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06:50:39LloreanCAIN: What's your question?
06:53:28CAINI have Vista and trying to get the updater to reconize the program. I was having exception processing messages, so i changed the drives. That seemed to stop it. I talked to Sandisk and they say that it is a problem with the device and want me to return it. This is my 3rd one once I return it so I am wondering of anyone knows how to get the firmware updater to work properly, since I can see it in my task manager?
06:55:41LloreanThat doesn't sound anything at all like a Rockbox issue
06:56:16CAINI know that I heard there is a way to download firmware directly to mp3 players
06:56:48LloreanWe really can't provide support or help with other peoples' programs.
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09:14:29webguest95I have a problem with installation of bootloader :S
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09:14:48markunwebguest95: which player and what kind of problem?
09:15:04webguest95I have a Ipod Nano Silver and when i try to install it say No IPod Found
09:15:26scorchesilver?...that would be a 2nd gen nano...
09:16:11webguest95I try to install before linux but I got same error
09:16:45krazykitif it's a 2nd gen nano, rockbox does not support this device.
09:17:02scorche(and neither will ipodlinux, of course...)
09:17:47webguest95I know that but do you have solution for me I only want to install some free game on my crap Ipod ...?
09:18:52scorcheyour only solution is going to be to toss that ipod and get something else that rockbox will run on (unless you happen to be quite good at defeating encryption, reverse engineering, and programming ;)
09:19:55webguest95It's only because I have now a Zune and my ipod sleep in a corner :p ... On Zune we dont have game or anymore application so it's boring :S
09:20:21GodEaterbuy a gameboy ?
09:20:22markundoesn't apple make games for ipods?
09:20:50webguest95...yeah but I dont have money for that XD
09:20:59webguest95I know thank
09:21:11markunbut you do have money for 2 MP3 players? :)
09:22:47webguest95haha ... My Ipod doest work correctly :)
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09:24:05webguest95My battery decharge within one hour and it remains loaded with some time if I restore my ipod
09:25:44scorchebeing that it is not a device that rockbox runs on, it is a bit offtopic for this channel...
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09:27:07markunwebguest95: there is a port to the Gigabeat S in the works which is very similar to the Zune. Unfortunately the Zune has better security which prevents us from exploiting it the same way.
09:28:58markunand I'm planning to do some porting work to the Meizu M6 which is supposedly similar to the ipod nano, but also here the ipod's security will probably prevent us to port to it.
09:29:56linuxstbmarkun: Similar to which Nano?
09:30:42markun2nd gen
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09:30:49markunat least the SoC
09:30:59markunpolaroid: hi
09:31:53polaroidmy ipod was working fine with rockbox for around a week, and then out of nowhere, it became completely unresponsive. the screen does not turn on, it does not respond to pluging it in or anything. its pretty much bricked
09:32:08linuxstbHave you tried resetting it (hold MENU+SELECT) ?
09:32:27polaroidnothing responds
09:33:03linuxstbJust charge it and keep trying MENU+SELECT (you may need to keep it pressed for up to 30 seconds).
09:33:27polaroidit should be charged
09:33:46LinusNpolaroid: i had a similar "accident" with my ipod video the other day, and i solved it by pulling the battery
09:33:56polaroidthat got it
09:34:03polaroidthanks :D
09:34:41polaroidthank you
09:34:53polaroidhad to have it plugged in while resetting
09:35:53polaroidand does rockbox bypass the 4kb text file limit?
09:36:26GodEaterwhat 4kb text file limit ? :D
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09:37:31polaroidon the ipod, if you have a text file bigger than 4kb's or a certain amount of words it just shows a certain amount of words
09:37:35polaroiddoes rockbox show the whole thing
09:38:46markunyes, our textviewer doesn't have such a limit (and why would it)
09:38:59amiconnThe only limit for the rockbox text viewer is the file size limit on fat32 (2GB)
09:39:08polaroidthanks :D
09:39:15polaroidwhoever has text files that big...
09:39:16markunamiconn: completely forgot about that limit ;)
09:40:26*linuxstb finds it hard to imagine how long a 2GB text file would take to read...
09:40:55*GodEater doesn't even try to imagine
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09:41:30*krazykit once had a 4gb text file :(
09:41:44polaroidwhat was it?
09:41:44markunkrazykit: how far did you get?
09:42:19krazykitfor whatever reason, i had several things logging in debug mode to /var/logs/messages :\. i deleted the file.
09:42:34polaroidi can imagine anyone would
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10:04:50markunlinuxstb: the Meizu M6 has a rescue mode and I found an open source tool for the firmware update :)
10:05:27linuxstbNice. Was that a tool written specifically for the M6?
10:05:50markunnope, for open moko:
10:06:15markunmeizu uses DFU-Tool (DFU-Server?) by samsung
10:07:17markunI wonder if DFU-Util is broken for big-endian devices or big-endian computers running the tool...
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10:11:07safetydanSo... does low latency mode still break talking?
10:11:52safetydanand a related question, is there any reason we switch to low latency mode when adjusting hardware settings like volume?
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10:22:51polaroidim getting much less battery life with rockbox :(
10:24:09linuxstbHow much less?
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10:26:04linuxstbWhich ipod do you have?
10:26:10polaroidipod video 5.5
10:26:12polaroid30 gb
10:26:24linuxstbAnd you're using a current version of Rockbox??
10:26:29polaroideven with the brightness for the backlight at 3-5
10:26:34polaroidi believe so
10:26:42linuxstbWhen did you last update it?
10:26:50polaroidabout a week ago
10:27:36linuxstbOK. Power-saving updates were committed a few weeks ago - Rockbox still uses more power than the Apple firmware, but I think you should be getting a lot more than half.
10:28:21polaroiddo different themes use more/less energy?
10:28:46polaroidi would assume so
10:30:23linuxstbHave you done a scientific comparison? i.e. playing the same album of files on repeat in both firmwares, and comparing how long the battery lasts? There's a plugin for Rockbox that helps with such tests -
10:30:41pixelmapondlife: hi
10:30:54polaroidill try that tomorrow
10:30:56pondlifeI'm seeing the auto-dir change problem on H300
10:30:59polaroidill document it too
10:31:11pondlifeBut the sim won't break, no matter how much I skip :/
10:32:03polaroidnow ive got to go to bed
10:32:03pixelmapondlife: there's also another small problem left, see I get that on both the c200 and the M5 too but still better than missing complete songs...
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10:53:09pixelmaroolku: how far is the m:robe100 remote away from supported and what display does it have?
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11:02:23pondlifepixelma: Potential improvement for auto-dir change...
11:03:12pondlifeI'm not able to test on target yet, but feedback is welcome
11:03:30pixelmaok, will test
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11:10:49JdGordonBagder: you round?
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11:29:59roolkupixelma: I don't have a remote, but lowlight does. It is the same remote as for the m:robe 500 and I believe it is already supported there? So we just need the rs-232 driver of the pp5020 and if I understand correctly LinusN has already done that for the ipods
11:30:29pixelmapondlife: the patch didn't fix the problem (but couldn't find any downsides either)
11:30:41roolkuroolku: so I am confident it will be supported - I have no idea about the display though - let's see if I can find something
11:30:42pondlifeHmm, that's interesting...
11:30:51pondlife... I might commit for a green delta anyway
11:31:06pixelmahaven't tested much though
11:31:13pondlifepixelma: Don't suppose you can repro on the sim?
11:31:50pondlifeI've only really tried lots of skipping hard (i.e. bash away at the left/right keys). Maybe it's more subtle?
11:32:43pixelmawith patch or without? Haven't tried so far (would have to fill an archos dir with some (more) music first)
11:33:24pondlifeWith patch, preferably. But it probably makes no difference
11:33:34pondlifeSo whatever is easiest
11:40:44safetydanokay, forget what I said about low latency breaking talk
11:40:52amiconnroolku: Afaik LinusN only gox Rx going, but not Tx
11:41:10amiconnRx ist sufficient for a simple remote, but a remote LCD would need Tx
11:41:27LinusNbut i'm not sure yet if it's a general PP problem or just ipod
11:41:35amiconn(it could be though that the remote lcd uses something different, e.g. SPI)
11:46:22LinusNthat is possible
11:46:36pixelmapondlife: seeme like I also can not reproduce in a sim (with patch)
11:46:49pondlifeOK, thanks for trying
11:47:04*pondlife loves race conditions :/
11:47:30linuxstbLinusN: How are you debugging the serial driver - do you have some kind of ipod->RS232 adapter?
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11:48:41LinusNso far i have used an ipod remote and an oscilloscope, but i will soon connect my ipod->rs232 adapter
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11:59:11JdGordonroolku: if its the same as the mr500 remote then yes its supported and known how to use it
11:59:17JdGordonthe display isnt done yet though
11:59:44roolkuJdGordon: nice :)
12:00:26roolkuJdGordon: do you know the resolution of the display? I think pixelma wants to know it for graphics (even if it doesn't work yet)
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12:00:50JdGordonleme have a looksee...
12:02:43JdGordonpixelma: 79x16 + some static chars for random/repeat mode
12:04:16pixelmaI was just a bit curious...
12:04:45pixelma79 is a weird number for a display's resolution
12:06:37roolkuI wonder if it is character based or if you can control individual pixels
12:07:09JdGordonits bitmap so you can go nuts...
12:07:21JdGordonill copy the RE'd knowlegde to the rb wiki
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12:07:47JdGordon(its on a private wiki (which doesnt exist....) for some reason)
12:08:46*roolku wants to get his hand on a remote now...maybe I should buy a m:robe 500?
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12:27:15TheBasharpondlife: you online?
12:27:53pondlifeI saw your update
12:27:56TheBasharIf I'm able to get fs#8455 to trigger again, is there anything specific I should not or anything I can dump?
12:28:17TheBasharObviously the best is if I can figure out how to trigger it, but in case it happens randomly... anything I can get?
12:28:20pondlifeNot much. Mainly try without album art and without runtime data
12:28:41TheBasharOk, will do.
12:29:08pondlifeTheBashar: Do you have a build environment?
12:29:29pondlifeThe single most useful thing would be to work out which svn revision this started with
12:29:31TheBasharNo, not yet. I'm going to get one going soon though.
12:29:36pondlifeI mean, originally.
12:30:06pondlifeNon-reproducible problems like this are a total PITA though
12:30:25TheBasharIt was happening before I had a rockbox device, so I'm no help there.
12:30:29pondlifeIf you can first come up with some kind of recipe that makes it happen for you reliably, then greaet
12:30:54pondlifeIf you have a build environment, you can build ANY past version of Rockbox
12:30:59TheBasharAgreed. I've been trying to do that. If I understood the buffer debug screen, it might be easier to figure out the corner cases.
12:31:06*pondlife has wanted to try out r1 for a while.... :)
12:31:28pondlifeTheBashar: You'll probably need to talk to Nico_P about that, sorry.
12:31:59TheBasharI'll ping him next time I see him online.
12:32:04*Nico_P is online
12:32:11*pondlife was hinting ;)
12:32:30Nico_Pwhat's the question ?
12:32:45TheBasharAny pointers on what the various buffer debug parameters mean?
12:33:12pondlifeNico_P: Seems #8455 is still alive....
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12:34:16Nico_PTheBashar: any ones in particular?
12:34:24TheBasharOh: pcm frac, alloc frac, usefl frac, data_rem, handle count, pcmbufdesc
12:35:02*pondlife thinks we need a HowToBecomeAPlaybackGuru wiki page...
12:35:20Nico_Ppcm is the level of the PCM buffer, alloc is the amount of main buffer space that is allocated, real is the actual data buffered, and useful is the amount that is left to be played
12:35:29*gevaerts wonders if a wiki page is the most effective way to do that
12:35:32Nico_Phandle count is the number of buffer handles
12:35:37Nico_Ppcmbufdesc I don't know
12:35:46pondlifeMaybe usefl would be better named as future ?
12:36:28TheBasharSorry, and what was data_rem?
12:36:32Nico_Ppondlife: I'd be interested in that wiki page ;)
12:36:41pondlifeYou'd be writing it ;)
12:36:47Nico_PTheBashar: that's the amount of data left to read from disk for the various handles
12:37:30TheBasharNico_P: Should I ever see data_rem go to zero in a long playlist?
12:37:37JdGordonNico_P: (without mentioning malloc) can te buffering be made to handle temporary buffers?
12:37:44Nico_PJdGordon: yes
12:37:47JdGordonfor data.. not files
12:37:54Nico_Pyes, with bufalloc
12:38:03Nico_PPictureFlow does it
12:38:07JdGordonit does it already? awesome
12:38:27pondlifeBut horrible things probably happen if you don't bufclose quite soon, right?
12:38:36Nico_Pyou shouldn't keep the pointert though
12:38:52JdGordonI would need it for less than a second... just to reorganise memory
12:39:05TheBasharNico_P: Also, when I watch during buffering I see negative numbers. Is that just a display fluke, or an indication of something not good?
12:39:08Nico_Ppondlife: it should be quite safe actually, as long as you always use bufgetdata to access the buffer
12:39:19pondlifeAh, ok
12:39:28Nico_PJdGordon: you can't really rely on it succeeding though
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12:40:03JdGordonhmm... it doesnt fail if it cant alloc the requested space?
12:40:19Nico_PTheBashar: about the neg numers, I'm actually not sure. it doesn't seem to indicate any problem but I wonder why it happens
12:40:54Nico_PTheBashar: about data_rem, you're most likeley to see it reach 0 at the end of the playlist. during normal playback it's quite unlikely
12:40:57*linuxstb hears mention of malloc
12:41:17*linuxstb pings the malloc police
12:41:17Nico_Plinuxstb: hehe you have it higlighted?
12:41:19pondlifeJdGordon explicitly didn't mention malloc
12:41:32TheBasharNico_P: Thanks. I have a better idea what to watch for now.
12:41:44linuxstbNico_P: No, I'm not quite that obsessed ;)
12:42:05*pondlife thinks of beer and petur...
12:42:28*petur feels pinged
12:42:37pondlifeNothing to see here, move along
12:43:00pondlifeNico_P: Did you see my other patch on #8455?
12:43:07*petur moves along, to the direction of lunch
12:44:10pondlifeNico_P: Using queue_remove_from_head() rather than a global lowbuffer_event_sent.
12:44:58pondlifeIt doesn't appear to have any net effect, but seems simpler.
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12:48:07Nico_Ppondlife: I'm not sure I get it
12:48:58Nico_Pah, it's meant to ensure that there is only one Q_AUDIO_FILL_BUFFER in the head of the queue?
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12:49:39JdGordonsomeone accidently do svn rm playback.c && svn up to force an entire rewrite!
12:50:19pondlifeIt's not quite the same as the lowbuffer_event_sent var, but seems a safer way to not have lots of Q_AUDIO_FILL_BUFFERs
12:50:35*pondlife just doesn't like globals
12:51:04pondlifeJdGordon: I suggest you do the rewrite first.
12:51:09Nico_Ppondlife: yeah it seems cleaner
12:51:10pondlifeWe'll svn rm when you're happy
12:51:29pondlifeNico_P: Was that the purpose of the var though?
12:51:50Nico_Pthe same. avoid having to much Q_AUDIO_FILL_BUFFER queued
12:51:58Nico_Pbest is to test in a sim with logf enabled
12:52:11pondlifeLooks ok in there
12:53:58Nico_PIf you want to commit it I'm in favor
12:54:09pondlifeYes, will do
12:54:20Nico_PI just don't have much time to test right now... I'm quite busy with a J2EE project
12:54:26amiconn[12:30:54] <pondlife> If you have a build environment, you can build ANY past version of Rockbox <== not entirely true
12:54:27pondlifeNo worries
12:54:39pondlifeamiconn: No, but within reason
12:54:47Nico_Pamiconn: because some don't compile?
12:54:47pondlifeHence my poor joke about r1
12:55:07amiconnFor older versions, the build environment needs different gcc version(s)
12:55:52amiconnWe went through at least 4 versions for SH1 (iirc) 3.0.x, 3.3.x (a long time), 3.4.x, and now 4.0.x
12:56:12Bagderamiconn: that quote says " If you have a build environment" ...
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12:56:24Bagderit doesnt' say what version
12:56:42pondlifeI should have said "a suitable build environment"...
12:57:37TheBasharNico_P: Just to make sure I'm getting it. Right now it shows alloc X/Y & usefl Z/Y. In reality, a slightly more accurate would be alloc X/Y & usefl Z/X?
12:58:18Nico_PTheBashar: no, all values are relative to the size of the main buffer
12:58:44Nico_Pso you'll always have alloc >= real >= usefl
12:59:35Nico_Palloc X/Y & usefl Z/Y is correct
12:59:46TheBasharOkay. So the usefl cannot exceed the allocated.
13:00:17TheBasharSeems like only usefl and data_rem go negative. If allocated went negative I'd be scared.
13:01:18Nico_Pmy guess is that it's an artifact of the way the values are updated. I doubt it's a sign of a big bug
13:01:27gevaertsLooks like I won't be able to run the signal tests today. The people who know how to set up the environment are not there today
13:07:58JdGordondo we have a "repeat one track" option?
13:08:17amiconnFor ages....
13:08:43JdGordonhow does it work? buffering keeps reloading the one track? or its smart enough to not?
13:10:32amiconnIt keeps buffering the single track (but multiple copies if there is room, so no spinup at each track boundary)
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13:10:58JdGordonlame, but I should have expected that... ok
13:12:37amiconnWell, it's not as lame as it might look. It's the same problem as if the whole playlist fits into the buffer and you have 'repeat all' enabled
13:12:53JdGordonyeah, I just realised
13:13:05*JdGordon forgets sometimes we have 2mb ram targets
13:13:22amiconnWel,, even on 64MB targets a single track can exceed that
13:13:30*amiconn has several such tracks
13:13:47amiconnAnd no, those are *not* full albums
13:14:09JdGordonoh the wonders of lossless!
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13:19:25pondlifeoh the wonders of prog rock :)
13:19:53JdGordonhaha yeah
13:20:14JdGordonprog rock and lossless is why we ween terabyte storage...
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13:21:46linuxstbgevaerts: Does the usb serial driver work at the same time as the UMS, or should you only enable one with the #defines ?
13:22:31pondlifeDoes logf-USB-serial work in real-time? Or do you need to do a post-event dump?
13:22:38gevaertslinuxstb: they both work at the same time. You can actually debug UMS over it
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13:23:12linuxstbgevaerts: Nice :)
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13:24:02linuxstbgevaerts: Does the problem you've mentioned of it stopping after a while apply to both high and full speed?
13:25:14gevaertsI've only seen it at high speed. But since you seem to have much less signalling problems, maybe even that works for you
13:25:33gevaertspondlife: it's real-time
13:26:38linuxstbOK, I'll give it a go sometime. After I've done the "modproble" on Linux, what do I need to do to view the output? Can I just "cat" from /dev/ttyUSB* ? (I haven't used serial devices for years....)
13:27:16pondlifegevaerts: Useful... any chance of that getting onto H300?
13:27:17gevaertslinuxstb: I use "cu -l /dev/ttyUSB0", I think cat should work, but I'm not sure.
13:27:39linuxstbgevaerts: Maybe add that to the wiki page?
13:27:48gevaertsI'll do that
13:28:24gevaertspondlife: does the H300 have a "real" usb device controller ?
13:29:19roolkuJdGordon: thanks that looks very useful!
13:29:37*JdGordon shamelessly ripped it and takes no credit for it
13:30:09gevaertsYou can also easily extend it to accept commands. Just look for the "TODO : Do something with it" comment in usb_serial.c and add your stuff. Note that data probably will come in one character at a time if you use it from a terminal emulator on the other side, so single-character commands are easiets
13:30:31pondlifegevaerts: says it's an ISP1362
13:30:37amiconngevaerts: H300 is kind of a hybrid. It has a highspeed hardware usb-ata bridge, and an usb-otg controller (fullspeed only)
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13:31:03amiconnRockbox does not yet support the otg controller, although it even has full docs...
13:31:17amiconnpetur: Any news on wasabi?
13:31:19gevaertsSo it should be possible if someone spends the time
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13:32:28linuxstbDoes the Sansa firmware support connecting to other USB devices - e.g. digital cameras?
13:33:48amiconnAfaik, the US version of the H300 doesn't support otg mode, but uses the otg controller in device mode for mtp (+drm) support
13:34:38gevaertslinuxstb: not as far as I know. But I have used the OF for at most 15 minutes, so...
13:36:20gevaertsamiconn: I guess tha's a firmware limitation ?
13:36:56amiconnNo, it's a hardware limitation
13:37:03pixelmaI think I read that there is a connection missing...
13:37:08amiconnThe US H300 doesn't have Vbus wired
13:37:45*JdGordon didnt have much luck with otg when I added that wire hack
13:38:45*gevaerts still needs to find a way to crash linux using rockbox usb. So far the score is only mac osx and vista
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13:44:13Nico_Pcould it be possible to use gdb on code that is running on a target?
13:44:52linuxstbIIRC, that was working with usb serial on the iFP...
13:46:09*gevaerts renamed those files yesterday
13:46:29LinusNlinuxstb: no, with rs232
13:46:50amiconnLinusN: Both
13:47:04Nico_Pwhat about with the USB stack ?
13:47:04LinusNand it was on the Archos, not iFP
13:47:05amiconnTrue rs232 on archos player+recorders, usb-serial on iFP
13:47:22LinusNah, ignore me
13:48:24*LinusN makes a note to self: iFP != iHP
13:49:28gevaertsThe ISP1362 seems to use a OHCI variant for host side, so if I get that to work on gigabeat f, H300 should be easy. Device side looks different though
13:49:39peturamiconn: I haven't looked at the isp1362 since last summer
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13:52:17amiconngevaerts: Device side is not that interesting. Host support is, however, because the OF supports it (on non-US models)
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13:53:15Nico_Pso will remote GDB be possible with the USB stack?
13:53:27peturgevaerts: if you have usb-host code, I could have a look at getting it to work on the h300 (time permitting)
13:54:21gevaertsNico_P: I don't know what gdb expects exaclty. The USB stack currently uses a running thread and interrupts. If that's allowed it should be possible
13:54:34Nico_Pwould be nice
13:55:56gevaertspetur: I'll do my best
13:57:15Nico_Pgevaerts: how do I disable UMS to use only the logf over serial?
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13:58:49gevaertsNico_P: comment out USB_STORAGE in usb_core.h, or press (whatever the button is on your platform) to use "charging-only" (see also
13:59:11gevaertsNico_P: als make sure that USB_SERIAL is enabled in usb_core.h
13:59:57Nico_Phmm I don't know what the charging mode key is for the video
14:00:20gevaertsI think it's menu
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14:00:33Nico_Pok, thanks :)
14:01:55gevaertsamiconn: host is certainly interesting. Whether device is interesting depends on what other device classes we implement. I think that if it's not too hard this logf support might make it worthwile
14:03:21Nico_Pgevaerts: this is awesome :)
14:03:27*gevaerts thinks the libgphoto2 digicam control features might be interesting
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14:03:47gevaertsNico_P: so it works ?
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14:04:47Nico_Pcan I just disconnect the ipod?
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14:05:31Nico_Pseems like it
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14:23:27*Zagor plays with menu icons on the web page:
14:24:10*linuxstb wonders what all those links are underneath the menu
14:24:16peturis that add space (bottom-left)?
14:24:25Zagorah, thats a test for text link ads
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14:24:48krazykitthat's barely noticable at all
14:25:01linuxstbMove it a bit further down, and it will be perfect ;)
14:25:04pondlifeIndeed, not even a white backgroun
14:25:19ffmwhat's rockbox written in?
14:25:28linuxstb99% C, a little assembler
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14:25:41*petur wonders what company wants to give money for ads that will be barely noticable
14:26:12ffmlinuxstb: are you running ?
14:26:17pondlifeZagor: There's no highlight on the menu any more
14:26:25pondlifeI mean, if I tab through the links.
14:26:39*ffm thought he heard a rumor that you did.
14:26:47linuxstbffm: I've no idea what that site is...
14:26:52peturZagor: maybe change the Tracker links to Requests, Bugs, Patches - they are a bit too wide now
14:27:07Zagorpetur: good idea
14:27:17Zagorpondlife: hmm, was there ever?
14:27:28pondlifeTry the current one
14:27:31n1sis auto dir change supposed to work in the sim?
14:27:31ffmlinuxstb: ok, sorry I misunderstood what scorche was saying.
14:27:42ffmlinuxstb: you work on the iPod port no?
14:27:46linuxstbZagor: Maybe some kind of "help" icon for the manual, rather than PDF (as it's available in both html and PDF)
14:28:10linuxstbffm: I started the ipod port, but wouldn't say I work on it much any more
14:28:24GodEaterpondlife: are you coming along on Thursday night ?
14:28:27Zagorlinuxstb: like this?
14:28:47GodEatersame venue as before I think
14:28:53GodEaterlinuxstb: what time ?
14:29:01ffmlinuxstb: know anyone who is active on it?
14:29:13peturpondlife: I don't see highlights in ff in the current homepage
14:29:18GodEaterffm: if you have a question, it's best just to ask it
14:29:29Zagornah, I prefer the acrobat icon
14:29:31linuxstbGodEater: I could make any time after about 6pm-6.30pm I guess.
14:29:42GodEatersame for me
14:29:46GodEaterpondlife ?
14:29:55pondlifepetur: In IE7, I get a barely-legible dashed box around the link
14:30:04pondlifeGodEater: Probably 7pm-8pm
14:30:14pondlifeI'll aim for 7pm
14:30:16GodEatercool - see you there then
14:30:27ffmBeta2K: darn (/me is talking about last night at 20:22 EST)
14:30:29*pondlife has to reboot
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14:30:55ffmGodEater: I was asking how I could get involved in the iPod port to the new gen iPods.
14:30:58Zagornobody spotted the "current build" icon yet? :-)
14:31:23linuxstbffm: Just check the SVN logs for who has contributed ipod-specific code recently - but Rockbox is Rockbox, so everyone working on it helps the individual ports...
14:31:33krazykithah, it's a bomb
14:31:34GodEaterffm: I don't think anyone's working on a port to those models at the moment. So getting "involved" would mean "getting started on the port on your own"....
14:31:48GodEaterand then coming here for help
14:31:49Beta2KThere's about 70mb of 00 that I was looking through just to see if it was more then padding but I didn't see anything there either
14:31:55linuxstbffm: New ipods are completely different to the old ones, so people working with current ipods are no more likely to be interested than anyone else.
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14:32:35ffmBeta2K: darn.
14:32:58*ffm has a nano that is useless to him if it can't run FOSS.
14:33:51linuxstbZagor: I liked that ? icon you had... IMO it's more important to describe the content of the link, than the format...
14:34:11gevaertsShould the USB stack keep the "usb benchmark" driver ? I'm not sure if it still works, and I think it's likely to suffer from bit rot fairly soon, since it has no "real" uses, so maybe it's best to remove it
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14:34:24Beta2Kffm, if your adventurous try and figure out how Apple encrypted the firmware on the new ipods
14:34:46Zagorlinuxstb: I agree, but the question mark is too ambious I think. it's the universal signal of confusion, rather than "click here to get the manual"
14:35:36linuxstbI think of it as the the universal signal of a source of help... But I can live with a PDF icon.
14:35:46Zagorthis is the icon set:
14:35:52n1sgevaerts: since benchmarks using UMS would be more useful anyway I think so too
14:36:29ffmBeta2K: I'll just call them up and ask nicely!
14:36:38*ffm is naive.
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14:40:01gevaertsn1s: OK. If no one objects before somewhere this evening, i'll go.
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14:48:02gevaertsbarrywardell_: it seems to still work in winXP without those stalls
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14:52:39linuxstbffm: Seems someone did that (on the Apple forums) - no reply from Apple yet ;)
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15:00:08amiconnHmmm, iconitis :\
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15:08:57amiconnZagor: The icons are all broken when opening
15:09:30Zagorah, of course. fixing.
15:10:27LambdaCalculus37Thanks, Zagor!
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15:13:29linuxstbIs dead?
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15:13:48peturnot reachable here
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15:14:21peturkilled by the icons :)
15:14:25gevaertsIt seems that windows doesn't like it if a device has different interfaces on different connections (it just keeps using the first one it sees). Any objections to extending the serial number by one digit to indicate the actaul configuration used ?
15:15:03mooslinuxstb, petur: working here with the new icons
15:15:17*gevaerts can't reach the website from work, but can from home
15:15:35LambdaCalculus37petur: I reached it here.
15:15:43*linuxstb still can't reach it
15:16:08*LambdaCalculus37 is downloading a current build for his c240 as we speak
15:16:34*gevaerts accuses LambdaCalculus37 of overloading the server
15:16:50LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: Yes, I am a naughty person. :)
15:17:45LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: isn't dead. It's just pining for the fjords. :P
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15:20:49gevaertstraceroute from home :, traceroute from work (omitting the first few hops) works here
15:21:53*gevaerts accuses now
15:22:04peturgevaerts: your non-working trace stops at the same net as mine here...
15:23:46gevaertsSeems that it's fixed now
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15:38:44amiconnpetur: around?
15:40:31amiconnDid you try to track down which part of the soft reset fails, i.e. whether it's the wait_for_bsy or the wait_for_rdy, and in what way it fails?
15:40:57amiconnI think our perform_soft_reset isn't 100% correct compared to the ata standard
15:41:30peturI think it was wait_for_bsy() that failed
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15:51:05amiconnWould be an interesting detail. Also, in what way it fails. I expect the wait_for_rdy() to fail
15:51:05pixelman1s: you asked earlier about auto-change dir in the sim - works for me
15:51:39n1spixelma: i must have done something wrong then, thanks :)
15:52:32peturamiconn: I'd have to check that tonight. I'm fairly sure I saw wait_for_bsy() return a timeout
15:53:19LambdaCalculus37pondlife: Here?
15:53:49peturpondlife went out for a reboot and never came back
15:55:31amiconnpetur: Register values?
15:55:48LambdaCalculus37I blame my cable company for messing up our service this weekend, but I wanted to tell him that the recent fixes to squash FS #8455 and FS #8513 work. My albums are all now playing properly.
15:56:21peturamiconn: I'm at work now, I'll check tonight. I have a really bad memory if I didn't already tell you ;)
15:57:28peturamiconn: what register values do you want? status, error, ext error?
15:58:15pixelman1s: perhaps you have "repeat all" enabled? Seems this is the default (at least it was set when I used an m:robe100 sim to listen music the first time) and it prevents auto-change dir
15:58:24amiconnStatus and error for now
15:58:36n1spixelma: aha, yes that was it
16:00:14pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: same here, only the last 2 seconds in a playlist don't play (someone asked about it in the forum too)
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16:03:39LambdaCalculus37pixelma: It's not so bad when a final song fades out or stops before the last 2 seconds, but it can be a bit annoying sometimes.
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16:06:10amiconnSo playback forcibly stops when the codec is done, but pcm data is still in the pcm buffer
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16:07:16pondlifeamiconn: Is that the problem here?
16:07:47pondlifeI don't think I've changed anything that would interfere with the codec <-> PCM interface.
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16:08:49frieddukieive got a question about rockbox
16:09:09pondlifeLambdaCalculus37: Was it r16469 that caused the last 2 seconds not to be played?
16:09:19pondlifeI've not had time to try a binary chop yet
16:09:38LambdaCalculus37pondlife: It started at r16469, yes.
16:09:51pondlifeLambdaCalculus37: Sorry, typo. I meant r16459 - so did you, I assume?
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16:10:19LambdaCalculus37pondlife: Actually, yes. :)
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16:10:39LambdaCalculus37But my albums do work correctly now.
16:11:13LambdaCalculus37frieddukie: Ask your question already.
16:11:33frieddukiewhen you go to install rockbox is there any data loss?
16:12:10frieddukiedo you lose any of your music that was previosuly on there i mean?
16:12:25LambdaCalculus37No, you don't. But it depends on what device you're installing to.
16:12:32LambdaCalculus37For example, are you installing on an iPod?
16:12:35frieddukieipod 5th gen.
16:12:44LambdaCalculus37And you used iTunes, I assume?
16:13:09LambdaCalculus37Your music, provided it isn't anything purchased from iTunes, will work then.
16:13:17frieddukieahh ok good.
16:13:18LambdaCalculus37When you install Rockbox, use the Database function.
16:13:51LambdaCalculus37frieddukie: *ahem* What's the proper English word you meant to say?
16:14:36LambdaCalculus37frieddukie: Thank you. Please remember that the IRC guidelines say to use standard English.
16:14:54frieddukiegot it.
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16:15:12pixelmapondlife: haven't tested for this 2 seconds bug in earlier revisions. Don't know if you still saw on friday but I tested the skipping of the last track with auto-change dir enabled and the bug already appeared in the revision right before your fix.
16:15:23*amiconn wonders how strict that rule is meant to be used
16:15:49amiconnI mean, there are standard irc acronyms, like lol, rofl, etc
16:15:52pondlifepixelma: So the auto-change dir bug is older than r16459 ?
16:16:07pixelmaI think so
16:16:12*gevaerts hopes the ones on are allowed
16:16:21pondlifepixelma: ..but possibly covered up (or confused) by other bugs..?
16:16:26pondlifeUntil now, I mean
16:16:58LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: We use most of them already. :)
16:17:20*LambdaCalculus37 smacks forehead when he reads "10x" is on that list
16:17:21pixelmapondlife: well, it happened before... but I usually have auto-change dir disabled so can't tell for sure
16:17:31LambdaCalculus37D'OH..... I'll get my coat....
16:18:06*LambdaCalculus37 gets coat
16:18:45gevaertsLambdaCalculus37: it's a wiki. Remove it quickly before anyone notices !
16:19:10petur"While many of these may be against the main channel's guidelines, this can help to decipher the speech of some of those who haven't read them yet."
16:19:11pondlifeIt's a wiki, historical versions are kept!
16:19:25pixelmapondlife: I mean that I didn't notice when it started... :)
16:21:41gevaertspetur: so some of them are allowed ?
16:22:05peturafaik, yes ;)
16:23:07LambdaCalculus37We all do \o/, so we can get away with a few. :)
16:24:18gevaertsIMHO \o/ should count as a smilie, not an abbreviation
16:24:50peturthe o is too small to see if he smailes or not
16:27:31gevaertsHow about single characters like ☺ ?
16:27:47pixelmaa smiley doesn't alway smile...
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16:32:58Horschtdoes \o/ get rad by screen readers?
16:33:50Horschtooh, icons on the front page :D
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16:38:04*pondlife prefers some aspects of the old site menu. (a) the focus working on the links (b) the slightly greater vertical spacing. Also, the icons are a tiny bit too high relative to the underlined text IMHO
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16:38:54pondlifeIf the vertical spacing were increased back to the old style, the icon positioning wouldn't be quite so obvious
16:39:21namehi! i'm going to europe with out a laptop and i'd like to transfer files from my camera's microsd card to my sansa e270 via it's card slot to make room for more camera pciture/videos. can this bedone with rockbox?
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16:39:56amiconnVertical spacing looks exactly the same here (recent.shtml still has the old menu w/o icons
16:39:59*linuxstb wonders if "releases" should be renamed to "old releases" (for now and the foreseeable future)
16:40:06gevaertsname: I think it should be possible
16:40:32amiconnBut the old menu was right aligned, which looks better than the iconized version imho
16:40:37pondlifeThat too
16:40:44namegev: me to. but i went through the menus and didnt and any soft of utility to do this
16:41:07namei also searched the wiki
16:41:33linuxstbname: There are "cut and paste" options in the file browser's context menu
16:41:56pixelmaname: search for the "File menu" in the manual (still called this way)
16:44:51pondlifeIf I put my finger on the screen by the word "requests", then click on "forums" I can see that the old menu was slightly more spaced out.
16:44:53namepixel: trying now.... (was unaware of the press and hokld function on the sansa :)
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16:46:41pondlifeI'd suggest we remove "releases" from the menu (for now at least).
16:46:44linuxstbpondlife: I think it's just that the forums version of the menu was always slightly different. As amiconn said, compare with recent.shtml - that's identical to the new menu (at least in Firefox)
16:46:57linuxstbpondlife: Yes, or that...
16:47:32linuxstbIn which case, maybe just rename " current builds" to "rockbox" ?
16:48:00peturpondlife: I fired up ie7 and both the old and the new page show the focus boxes, so I don't understand what you're missing
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17:02:21SSnakehi everyone
17:02:54LambdaCalculus37Ssnake: Hi!
17:03:03SSnakegood news :>
17:03:29SSnakei've optimized sreen resizing algo in my game and also memory usage
17:03:45SSnakeexpect a release soon :>
17:04:21SSnakebut 'd need an info just to be sure...
17:04:29LambdaCalculus37SSnake: When it's ready to go, post on Flyspray and tell us the ticket number.
17:04:30SSnakei'm redefining some printf
17:04:42SSnakeyeah lambda :>
17:06:06SSnakei've peek at some source code (include files) and i've noticed sometimes functions like printf are redefined with ATTRIBUTE_PRINTF(1, 2)
17:06:34SSnakeit seems obviousle a preproccessor directive
17:06:43SSnakesomething like IRAM etc
17:06:56SSnakecan explain exactly why it's used ? do i need to ?
17:06:58amiconnThat's actually a hint for gcc, enabling it to check arguments
17:07:10amiconnSee gcc manual
17:07:46SSnakethanks (uao the gcc manual is really huge)
17:07:57SSnakeabout the numbers?
17:08:09SSnake(just to avoid me spenting time to search in the huge manual)
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17:28:31pondlifeLambdaCalculus37: r16458 suffers from the slop-2-secs-before-end problem too...
17:29:25pondlifeI'll go back some more...
17:29:37pondlifeMaybe we never managed to get to the end before :)
17:29:53pondlifes/slop/stop by the way
17:30:19LambdaCalculus37pondlife: Okay.
17:30:34plbman...can't wait for d2 support
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17:36:53pondlifeLambdaCalculus37: Looks like caused the end of track not to play.
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17:38:58SSnakenothing about debug functions on wiki....
17:39:30LambdaCalculus37pondlife: I think that's what we were looking for.
17:39:35SSnakesomeone could explain me?
17:40:19SSnakeis DEBUGF used only when i set sim build on configure script?
17:40:31SSnakewhere it's outputted?
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17:41:27pondlifeSSnake: When you set a Debug build, IIRC
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17:42:41pondlifeIf a fix for bug A causes another (IMHO worse) bug B, is it ok to revert it and wait for a better fix for A to come along?
17:48:34gevaertspondlife: I'd say it depends on details, like is the fix for A just a "fix", or is it more than that (i.e. does it introduce new infrastructure that's better/cleaner but incomplete) ?
17:49:11pondlifeThere aren't many details; see r16445.
17:49:37pondlifeI'm thinking that this fix is in the wrong place
17:49:52pondlifeBut I don't know much about bookmarks so I can't be sure
17:50:01pondlifeI can say that it breaks continuous playback a little,.
17:50:45pondlifeSo I'm probably going to revert it for now.
17:51:20gevaertsI guess this one really depends on which bug is "worse". Can't say I have an opinion on that
17:51:55pondlifeIt's not which is "worse", more if the fix was correct.
17:52:39pondlifeThe original bug may have been fixed by later changes anyway, but I may not be using bookmarks in the way that showed it up.
17:52:57pondlifeGuess I'll hold fire and chat with Lear.
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17:54:21*gevaerts has never used bookmarks and listens mainly to radio shows where the last few minutes can be skipped anyway
17:55:57LambdaCalculus37pondlife: Best to get a second opinion.
17:56:07pondlifeI'll wait for Lear
17:56:35pondlifeThe information and patch is on FS #8675
17:56:49pondlifeGot to go now anyway
17:56:53desowingroan, why flyspay doesn't allow me to edit my comment :/ I typed "internet" instead of "internal"
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18:44:05gevaertsdesowin: rasher told me that removing the udelay caused problems on his e200
18:45:16rasherI did?
18:45:18desowinwhat kind of problems, so I could try to do those on mine?
18:45:41gevaertsrasher: I might remember wrong of course. I'm searching the logs now
18:46:01gevaertsIt was barrywardell.
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18:51:58desowin"5) Removing udelay(2) from ata-c200_e200.c makes Windows not show the e200's drive at all" - only this or anything more?
18:52:26CtcpVersion from freenode-connect!freenode@freenode/bot/connect
18:52:27rasherMaybe it's worth retrying if things have changed since?
18:52:41gevaertsThat was it. Of course, since he got banned for saying that, maybe he didn't dare to elaborate
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18:53:39gevaertsMaybe you could try again, and just try to copy a file within rockbox. This isn't entirely usb related after all
19:01:25*gevaerts hopes his latest commit doesn't stop this series of 10 "perfect" commits without build problems
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19:06:15desowininteresting copying files inside of internal memory resulted in some 'extra mess' in fat table, it shows up some weird files now which cause linux to remount as readonly and rockbox crashes if I enter that directory
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19:06:39gevaertsSo it seems to be needed after all.
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19:13:49*amiconn wonders why the savings from removing usb benchmark are that small
19:14:32amiconnAh,, wasn't linked at all by default
19:14:36gevaertsamiconn: it was almost entirely #ifdefed
19:14:46amiconnJust the descriptor (which wasn't properly ifdefed)
19:16:44*amiconn dislikes those icons in the site menu :\
19:17:18gevaertsI've been thinking about USB host support. I guess the two most wanted features are UMS and PTP. PTP is self-contained, but UMS will require the disk subsystem to be a ot more dynamic, i.e. all usb-host capable devices will be multi-volume.
19:17:20peturthen stay in the forum :p
19:17:41amiconnNo, at the 'recent' page. That one still has the icon-free menu
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19:18:45*gevaerts actually also wants canon digicam remote control
19:18:58*petur thinks about keyboard :)
19:19:08LloreanWhen did the site get icons? And... kinda why?
19:19:36amiconnLlorean: Today, and I think Zagor added them just for fun
19:19:57LloreanAre they just there to bring some continuity between the site and the Rockbox menu, because I don't think they really add anything. In my personal opinion, they kinda make the site just a bit noisier on first view.
19:20:46amiconnWell, for me they make the menu slower to operate, as they don't really stand for themselves, and now you have to skip them visually in order to read the menu items
19:21:02Lloreangevaerts: I think most people would even be happy with just UMS, actually. But I'm not going to argue against PTP. ;)
19:21:09*petur doesn't care
19:21:18*LambdaCalculus37 doesn't care either
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19:21:33amiconnThe old menu looked cleaner and hence was faster to operate (and to load, for people with slow connections)
19:21:45gevaertsLlorean: my point basically was that it requires more than "just" some drivers.
19:21:46Lloreanamiconn: Some of them are visual shortcuts (bugs, IRC, manual), others aren't. I do agree the old menu was cleaner to me.
19:22:21Lloreangevaerts: Gotcha. Though we already have a couple multivolume targets, does that at least provide a decent starting place?
19:23:12*Llorean will give the icons 48 hours for people to debate, then add them to the forums too.
19:23:15amiconnMultivolume should be able to handle UMS host. It needs some extra work, e.g. allowing volumes to use different drivers, but all that should be doable
19:23:25gevaertsIt's a start, but it will need more. At least on sansa the two drives still use the same drivers
19:24:03amiconnThe biggest con, at least for some users, is that multivolume means disabling dircache, unless that gets fixed of course
19:24:34LloreanCan't we just make dircache ignore the "external" volume?
19:25:06*gevaerts goes to have dinner now
19:25:09amiconnPerhaps, but certainly not 'just'
19:25:12LloreanYou have the virtual folder. Dircache can display it, but never cache the contents. Since dircache is to primarily avoid battery based spins anyway, and your external device is most likely either flash, battery powered, or wall powered.
19:25:42LloreanSorry, not "just"
19:26:08LloreanSorry, independent battery powered, rather.
19:26:24LloreanIt just seems like dircache shouldn't apply to other volumes in the first place.
19:26:30amiconnDircache operates at a rather fundamental level in the rockbox filesystem drivers. I have no idea how easy or complex it would be to make it operate selectively
19:27:48amiconnActually I think dircache would make very much sense for external storage, as driving that might be slow. I see dircache mostly as a browsing accelerator, not as a way to save battery
19:27:50peturLlorean: it may well be drawing current from the host over USB, but there is nothing we can do to stop that
19:27:52LloreanWell, I don't imagine it was built with the expectation for selective operation anyway
19:28:10amiconnIf you don't browse excessively, disabling dircache will probably be better for battery runtime
19:28:18Lloreanpetur: It may be, but I think in most cases that'll be flash. I doubt our devices have current for a full 2.5" HD?
19:28:29amiconn...because you save the longish disk access for dircache init
19:29:08amiconnAfaik usb otg only provides ~10mA in host mode, so the device needs to be self powered
19:29:31LloreanPeople have reported thumb drives working on the H300 OF, at least. Or so I've heard.
19:29:36*petur thought 100
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19:32:46*petur advises foxit, it is faster ;)
19:32:54amiconnThe internal charge pump for providing Vus can deliver a maximum of 20mA (depends on capacity)
19:33:15amiconnStill faster than adobe reader?
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19:33:27peturless bloat for sure
19:33:30amiconnAdobe reader is fast, as long as you avoid V6.x
19:33:52peturand later?
19:33:58amiconn7.x and 8.x are fast
19:34:14bluebrother7 was slow too. Not as bad as 6 though. 8 is ok
19:34:20peturwhatever, I gave up on them
19:34:39*bluebrother especially likes that they stopped this MDI nonsense with 8
19:34:57*amiconn would actually prefer mdi
19:35:35bluebrotherthat wasn't even real mdi which made it absolutely annoying.
19:36:05peturtabbed you mean
19:36:18bluebrothernah, taskbarred.
19:36:39bluebrothertabs would be ok :)
19:36:52peturyes, that's what I wanted to say
19:37:48amiconnpetur: Check the datasheet pages 131 and 133
19:38:20amiconnNow I don't know whether the H300 has an external Vbus supply
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19:39:30amiconngevaerts: Btw, that could be a problem with host support on pp targets. The hardware must be capable of supplying Vbus, otherwise it won't be possible (same problem as the US H300s)
19:40:17Lloreanamiconn: Well, maybe 20 is enough for some flash drives?
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19:41:09peturH300 has an external chargepump
19:41:40peturcould this be this TPS61029?
19:41:53*petur browses his notes of devcon07
19:43:14amiconnWow, 1.8A...
19:44:46petur1.5A... still enough :)
19:46:07peturerrr... wrong... Iout(max) = 0.5A
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19:51:56webguest45hi!! :) I have aquestion. I'm having a probem with rockbox. The other day i was listening to my ipod and turned it off. the next time i turned it on it woudln't load into rockbox it just stayed at the apple logo.
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19:52:28webguest45I already uninstalled and installed rockbox on my ipod and it still doesn't work.
19:53:01pixelmawhat type of Ipod do you have?
19:53:03desowingevaerts: sorry, my internet connection is driving me nuts
19:53:32desowingevaerts: but I've did fsck, and I can't reproduce that problem with messed up vfat
19:53:39webguest45i have the ipod video 30 gigs. 5th generation.
19:54:09LambdaCalculus37webguest45: Did you use RBUtil or the manual method?
19:54:14webguest45i've been using rockbox for over 2 years and i've never had this problem.
19:54:45webguest45i tried pretty much every way i know and it doesn't help.
19:56:43desowingevaerts: I haven't checked before first try (the one when I got that mess) for filesystem errors :/
19:57:41Bagderwhere are the mrobe500 hackers these days?
19:58:03*Bagder wants some of that creative zvm work to get merged
19:58:33amiconnAfaik there are only 2 mrobe500 hackers
19:59:21BagderI know 3... ;-)
19:59:59Bagderoh well, I guess I should get into it myself instead
20:00:23gevaertsamiconn: I know. we'll have to find out which devices really can do host
20:01:33webguest45does anyone know what i should do?
20:01:57gevaertsdesowin: it might be a reliability issue. Maybe removing the udelay() merely increases the frequency of errors. After all you've had errors with the udelay.
20:03:19pixelmawebguest45: you turned it off and later on again and it doesn't work anymore and you didn't do anything in between (like installing a new Rockbox version or so)?
20:03:31Domonokywebguest45: does the apple os work ? did you check the disk ? please provide more information..
20:04:32*bluebrother wonders why rbutil now has m:robe support but the front page doesn't show it as supported target ...
20:04:50desowingevaerts: I dunno whether to trust this sansa anymore, lol
20:04:57Domonoky:-) the zips and the bootloader are already there..
20:05:02pixelmabluebrother: maybe one reason - no manual yet?
20:05:14gevaertsdesowin: you mean you actually trust hardware ?
20:05:30webguest45the apple os works fine. i didn't try to install a new rockbox version until after i had the problem. i uninstalled a nd reinstalled rockbox on my ipod many times and in different ways and nothing works.
20:05:37desowingevaerts: haha
20:05:39pixelmabluebrother: just my own guess, I don't know the reasons
20:05:42bluebrotherhmm ... how good is that port running anyway?
20:06:24Lloreanbluebrother: I'm almost certain it's "not in the manual yet" as the last thing holding it back from "supported"
20:06:33gevaertsdesowin: I have to admit that I don't really like this kind of bug either
20:06:41pixelmaI think it's quite ok already... *pinging roolku*
20:06:44*Llorean hasn't put in a forum section for it, and won't until he can say "Check out the manual" when people ask how to install. =P
20:07:34bluebrotherok. How much different is that player from the Ipods? Can we start a manual based on e.g. the mini?
20:07:44gevaertsThose MR100 bugs don't seem much more serious than the ones I see on sansa c200
20:07:53pixelmaLlorean: and then the "Oylmpus" will go away in the new ports section? ;)
20:08:29pixelmabluebrother: the installation instructions are the same as H10 I've heard
20:09:15pixelma(except there are no MTP models)
20:09:22Domonokyyep installing is the same as h10, we will need new screenshots for the mr100 manual, as its 160x128x1 (new combination)
20:09:32Lloreanpixelma: Once it's on the front page, yes, I'll remove the thread, and put in an Olympus subforum for the m:robe 100
20:10:44webguest45is that enough info?
20:11:01*amiconn thinks the mrobe100 is comparable to the small h10 with a mono lcd (good) with negative display (bad) and red backlight (also bad)
20:11:24amiconnAlso, it's completely touch controlled instead of the h10's touch strip
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20:11:44*gevaerts would think the mrobe100 would be ideal on a bicycle. Combined tail-light and DAP
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20:12:05pixelmathe screenshots might be a bit "interesting" as in real it looks quite different from what Rockbox's screenshot function can provide (the sim gives a good impression already now)
20:13:05bluebrotherfortunately we don't need the screenshots to be able building the manual ;-)
20:13:18*amiconn wonders what type of microdrive the mr100 uses, and whether it uses a CF or F-FLEX connector
20:13:22pixelmathe mono screenshots are only prepared for Archos "colours" currently
20:13:33pixelmabluebrother: I know, just saying :)
20:16:13markunamiconn: do you recognize the upper middle chip?
20:16:21markunflash memory?
20:16:53amiconnThe K4M28163?
20:17:31markunbut K4-N-28163PH, no?
20:17:31amiconnThat's SDRAM (16MByte)
20:17:39amiconnNo, M
20:18:11Domonokyfirst hit on google for K4M28163PH is a datasheet for it :-)
20:19:18LambdaCalculus37amiconn: IIRC the m:robe 100 uses the same Microdrive as the H10, and quite possibly an F-FLEX connector as well.
20:19:55amiconnDomonoky: No much use in keeping sdram datasheets secret...
20:20:35webguest45someone please help? :)
20:21:30Domonokyamiconn: sure, but to know what chip this is, the datasheet is good :-)
20:22:31amiconnI was about 95% sure this is sdram before googling for it. We have quite a number of K4M.... chips in our various targets
20:23:12linuxstbwebguest45: When your ipod stopped working, and you said you uninstalled Rockbox and then reinstalled Rockbox, what exactly did you do? (i.e. what programs did you run, and did they give you any error messages?)
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20:23:36Domonokywebguest45: so apple os works, but when you install the rb bootloader with ipodpatcher there a no signs of the rb bootloader booting ?
20:24:19markunamiconn: we're finding out more and more about the Meizu M6 :)
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20:24:54markunI wonder if we ever will/need to use the CalmRisc16 + DSP
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20:26:37amiconnThe big chips at the left are nand flash
20:27:11markunamiconn: I thinks we identified all of the chips:
20:27:37Ethan304Is there anyway I could get rockbox for the 5th gen Ipod, without having to download the compressed file?
20:27:45Ethan304My computer won't uncompress it correctly.
20:28:01DomonokyEthan304: use rbutil...
20:28:15Domonokyit will download and unzip it for you .-)
20:28:24pixelmaLear: seen today's log (starting at
20:28:53Ethan304Will it work on Mac?
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20:29:25DomonokyEthan304; yes there is a mac version of it (as well as linux and windows) :-)
20:29:38myth_hello everyone
20:29:41Ethan304Thank you very much.
20:30:30amiconnmarkun: Does the pcb only have parts on one side? Also, you will need to find out the lcd controller type
20:30:55webguest45yes i used the rockbox utility and i did it the manual way and i had no problems doing that but when i start my ipod it doesn't boot into rockbox it just stays at the apple logo.
20:31:25amiconnmarkun: I'd try to stay away from the calmrisc thing if at all possible. It's 16 bit, and there's only an experimental gcc for it
20:31:32markunamiconn: I do think they are all on one side, but I will get mine hopefully next week to do some more reasearch.
20:32:09Domonokywebguest45: and ipodpatcher gives no errors when installing the bootloader ?
20:32:53webguest45nope. no problems.
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20:33:27Ethan304It says it doesn't support it even though I downloaded it from the Mac OS X section
20:33:30scorche|shBagder: do you happen to have the org application info ready?
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20:34:10DomonokyEthan304: your mac doesnt like the rbutil.dmg ?
20:34:26Ethan304haha apparently.
20:34:31Learpixelma: No, but I'll check.
20:34:46Ethan304It uploaded, and it seemed like it would function but it said it isn't supported on this system
20:34:48Crash91Is the bootloader meant to prevent OF database rebuild on the e200? Because it always give me the message saying that but it never works
20:35:02Crash91that is is*
20:35:08Crash91that it is**
20:35:38BigBambiCrash91: Depends on OF version and if you have a SD card in
20:36:09LloreanEthan304: What exactly does it say?
20:36:27DomonokyEthan304: which version of macosx is this ? *i dont know too much about mac* ..
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20:37:19Ethan304"You cannot open the application "rbutliqt" because it is not supported on this system"
20:37:20Domonokywebguest45: your error seams strange, did you check the disk for errors ?
20:37:45Crash91BigBambi: I have a 1GB SD card and OF is .15 i believe
20:37:46webguest45yep. no errors i really dont know whats going on.
20:37:57Ethan304Version 10.4.9
20:38:06BigBambiCrash91: I think if you boot with the SD card in it will always refresh
20:38:06Ethan304PowerPC G4
20:38:28Ethan304I'm guessing that version was created for use in the Intel based Macs.
20:38:32LloreanDomonoky: Is the current DMG definitely a universal binary?
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20:38:50LloreanEthan304: Usually we release it as a universal binary
20:39:00DomonokyLlorean: i dont know, it could the person who built has forgotten it..
20:39:16DomonokyEthan304: you could try an older release of rbutil, e.g 1.0.3
20:39:27LearHm, don't see how 16445 could cause something like that. It just stops the codec thread from sending a "stop playback" command in some cases.
20:39:50Ethan304Where could I get the older release from?
20:40:19*Llorean hopes that's where he got the current one from.
20:40:47Crash91BigBambi: Ah, ok, i was just checking if i needed a BL update
20:41:19Ethan304Thank you very much
20:42:08DomonokyEthan304: does an older version work ? (need to know it, to fix the newer build) :-)
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20:43:16Ethan304My computer is slow so I'm still setting it up.
20:43:33Ethan304I think it works
20:45:15*gevaerts went googling and actually found a datasheet for the SoC in his previous chinese-built cheap player.
20:45:27pixelmaeh... why does my c200 now tries to boot into rockbox when connecting to USB from an off state (then hangs at Rockbox logo)... an idea gevaerts (using r16491, USB support not enabled)
20:45:31Domonokyso we need to recompile the current rbutil release as a universal binary... linuxstb ? or some other dev with mac .. please help out.. :-)
20:45:36rashergevaerts: which kind?
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20:45:58gevaertspixelma: did you update the bootloader ?
20:46:14gevaertsrasher: useless for rockbox. 60MHz Z80 and DSP
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20:46:33rashergevaerts: Somewhat common configuration it seems
20:46:35Ethan304Alright I have Rockbox open
20:46:41pixelmaif I disconnect USB it finishes booting Rockbox. Not since last year, is that necessary now?
20:46:56Ethan304But I don't know how to install it on my Ipod.
20:47:19Ethan304I tried browsing for it but nothing came up, but I think I was looking in the wrong places.
20:47:23Crash91Ethan304: What do you mean you have rockbox open? Do you mean Rbutil?
20:47:38Ethan304Yes I mean Rbutil, sorry.
20:47:46DomonokyEthan304: using rbutil, you configure it to your device and press the install button on the second tab..
20:47:58gevaertspixelma: no, I was jst trying to isolate the problem. I'll try here
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20:48:16DomonokyEthan304: try the autodetect button in the configure dialog.. :-)
20:48:57DomonokyEthan304: if that doesnt work you have to select your device, and enter the path to where your device is on the filesystem of your mac..
20:49:12gevaertsrasher: yes. This one actually plays ogg vorbis though (but it usually crashes after a while when doing so)
20:49:16LearRight, I see what pondlife mentions now. The stop is sent a bit too early in one case.
20:49:53Ethan304It says it is a Macpod and doesn't work, and that it needs to be convered to a WinPod.
20:50:01LearReverting r16445 makes it impossible to resume a bookmark while playback is active though...
20:51:05LambdaCalculus37Ethan304: Then reformat your iPod to use FAT32.
20:51:30DomonokyEthan304: so your ipod is mac formated, and you need to change that to fat32 (easiest is with a win PC and itunes, for other methods see lik above) :-)
20:51:31pixelmagevaerts: the original firmware didn't connect too, then I checked the connection again and the computer side plug seemed a bit loose so I replugged it , seems to work now. Sorry for the confusion but interesting that it still recognised attaching to half-working USB
20:51:54myth_I need some help for programming the .mod codec: Is it possible to get the full file with ci->request_buffer now? Or do I still have to write the samples into a local buffer? I had a look into the nsf codec and they claim "Read the entire file" with ci->seek_buffer(0) and ci->request_buffer(&n, ci->filesize); So does this work to get a pointer to the complete file?
20:52:20gevaertspixelma: the actual connection detection is purely electrical
20:53:05pixelmaok, learned something new... :)
20:53:22webguest45ok i have to go i'll try again tomarrow thank you! :)
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20:55:07myth_any hint on my question above?
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20:57:37myth_no developers online today? :(
20:58:16rashermyth_: give it bit of time - Nico_P is usually around in the evening. Not quite sure who else might know
20:58:31myth_ok, thanks ;)
20:58:52amiconngevaerts: I don't think the rockchip based players are useless for rockbox, although it would be quite a challenge
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21:00:16Domonokymyth_: sid uses "ci->read_filebuf(sidfile, sizeof(sidfile));" and also claims to read the full file ... :-)
21:01:04rasherThose are relatively small files though
21:01:18Domonokythis is ofcourse only possibe if they fit into the memory..
21:01:48linuxstbmyth_: AFAIK, nothing's changed...
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21:02:48myth_linuxstb: Then this is probably a bug in the nsf codec, because it relies on the nsf file to be completely available after the load function
21:03:40linuxstbmyth_: Yes, that's been discussed before
21:04:23linuxstbmyth_: But wait for Nico_P to comment, it's possible it might have changed and I missed it.
21:04:45myth_domonoky: That is interesting. Someone must have changed this. I can't remember doing it this way in the sid codec.
21:04:51Nico_PI don't think it has changed
21:05:12myth_Is there a chance to use svn to find out changes in a specific file and line?
21:05:30Nico_Pyes, svn annotate
21:05:57n1sNico_P: did you see my update to FS #8667 ? it is the call to playlist_peek that causes the spinup
21:06:20Nico_Pn1s: no I hadn't seen it. interesting
21:06:56Domonokymyth_: lostlogic is to "blame" for this line :-)
21:07:07myth_btw: I will upload the license free mod codec with guideline conformance in a few minutes. Is there a chance that it gets added into svn? And is there also a chance that I get an svn account to edit my codecs?
21:07:43n1sNico_P: I have no idea what that auto_dir_skip thing is supposed to do so i am not able to fix it properly ;)
21:07:54gevaertsamiconn: it might be possible, but I won't spend too much time on it (the chip is atj2085 if you care)
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21:08:40myth_Domonoky: maybe someone can ask lostlogic what his thoughts were when adding ;)
21:08:42Domonokymyth_: if you add a working mod codec to the tracker, i am sure it will get added, about the svn access you have to ask the swedes ( normally the ask you ! :-) )
21:08:56Nico_Pn1s: auto_dir_skip is true when the end of the playlist is reached but auto dir change is on
21:09:34Nico_Pn1s: if it is the case, playlist_next needs to be called to create a new playlist for the next dir
21:10:38amiconnDomonoky: There is a working mod codec in the tracker
21:10:56gevaertsWhere is file copying implemented ?
21:10:59amiconnI use that patch in all my swcodec build
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21:11:18amiconnThe problem with it is that the license is unclear
21:11:37Domonokyah.. didnt know that..
21:11:37myth_amiconn: now its clear because i simply rewrote the whole thing ;)
21:12:48n1sNico_P: that's what I thought so i threw a DEBUGF in the only if() that checks for auto_dir_skip and that was never printed when the playing dir changed (either automatically or manually) (in the sim though)
21:13:55Nico_Pn1s: weird
21:14:22Nico_Pn1s: oh, maybe the end of playlist detection got broken
21:14:57n1sbut everything seems to work ok with the dirchange...
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21:17:15linuxstbmyth_: Maybe to avoid confusion, open a new task on flyspray, so the old code can be rejected.
21:17:31desowingevaerts: I'm not rockbox dev, but why's that change;r2=16500 ?
21:18:34n1sNico_P: I must have done something wrong auto_dir_skip gets set to true now, sorry
21:18:53gevaertsdesowin: cleanup. USB_DRIVER_COUNT is not needed at all.
21:19:10desowinah, okay, thanks
21:19:50gevaertsdesowin: that commit just got rid of unused stuff.
21:21:06myth_linuxstb: OK, I'll do this
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21:22:51myth_can someone please explain to me how to create a patchfile? I forgot it :(
21:23:10gevaertsmyth_: svn diff
21:23:11n1ssvn diff > patchfile.diff
21:23:22Learn1s: playlist_peek can cause a spinup because it needs to get the next filename in the playlist.
21:23:22myth_does this also add new files?
21:23:49Domonokymyth_: no, you have to "svn add" the new files before
21:23:57n1sLear: Yeah i gathered but shouldn't there be some other way to figure out we are at the end of the playlist?
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21:25:02scorche|shBagder: mentor orgs can now apply for GSoC
21:25:38*petur just got the mail too ;)
21:25:53myth_thanks for the info. seems to be a whole lot easier with svn compared to cvs ;)
21:26:23*rasher spots comments in German
21:28:42Learn1s: But why check for end of playlist after each track? The playback engine ought to know if there are any more tracks in memory or not.
21:29:16n1sI would like to think so too :)
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21:30:48Nico_PLear: yeah it could be improved... I'm not the one who wrote audio_check_new_track though ;)
21:31:13Nico_Pthat func has to be the worst one in playback.c now
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21:40:38LearNico_P, n1s: Well, maybe calling playlist_check would be a quick fix in this case. (Not sure if it would work though.)
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21:54:00myth_The new license free mod codec is online at This time with coding guideline conformity, so hopefully it will get added to svn
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21:57:32Bagdermyth_: it's not license free when it uses the GPL...
21:57:57Bagderbut GPL is fine as that's what we use all over
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21:59:25*petur throws a stick and asks GPL v2 or v3
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22:00:23gevaertsme wants GPLv1
22:01:55myth_badger: We can change the license to whatever we wish, I don't care
22:02:16Bagderof course, I just pointed out that it isn't license free
22:02:32myth_you are right ;)
22:03:10Beta2KBSD anyone?
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22:03:51barrywardellgevaerts: thanks for committing that fix. my mac no longer crashes on USB disconnect
22:04:09myth_btw: Very good news. I tried changing the loading routine to the "complete file at once"-method and now I am playing an 800k mod file. So it seems to work!
22:04:58gevaertsbarrywardell: Now if it would actually work...
22:05:03barrywardellgevaerts: however, I now no longer get the drive appearing in disk utility. It appears with 16448, not with current svn
22:05:26gevaertsbarrywardell: 16448 is the last one where it works ?
22:05:31peturBagder: regarding GSoC: do you think we should just present our wikipage full of possible projects (like last year) or actively put forward a limited list of stuff we want done?
22:05:55BagderI think we should present that page
22:06:07barrywardellgevaerts: unfortunately, I can't test any versions in between because they crash my mac
22:06:11Bagderit's still up to students to find and craft projects they want to do
22:06:45barrywardellgevaerts: but disk utility correctly reports the disk size, etc with 16447 and doesn't even show the disk now
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22:08:04linuxstbmyth_: Yes, but I doubt it will work consistently - i.e. if your mod file isn't loaded contiguously in the buffer (i.e. it wraps around)
22:09:02myth_linuxstb: Is this confirmed? And maybe someone can fix it. I promise I will write an xm codec once this is clarified.
22:09:51linuxstbmyth_: It should be easy to test - set a directory of large MODs playing, and it will fail at around 28MB into them
22:10:02gevaertsbarrywardell: you might try "deactivating" usb_drv_stall in usb-drv-pp502x.c to make bisecting easier. I think only r16448, r16457, r16458 and r16471 can be the cuplrit.
22:10:03linuxstb(depending on your target)
22:11:12barrywardellgevaerts: ok, I'll try that
22:11:15linuxstbDoes anyone have a view on whether we should have "qualification tasks" for SoC this year?
22:11:57JdGordonwe need some sort of test.. at least having a CC going is almost good enough
22:12:28scorche|shlinuxstb: i would say we seemed like it worked well enough for others last year...the question is what tasks should we do?
22:12:55scorche|shwe could also pass on the tests initially and just quiz them a bit during an interview
22:13:04scorche|shi quite liked the interview concept
22:14:05myth_linuxstb: Where can I make on official request for this feature?
22:14:18myth_though I think I already made that :(
22:14:47linuxstbmyth_: Making a request won't help - dive into the playback code and make it happen...
22:15:26barrywardellgevaerts: the change comes from r16448
22:16:01peturamiconn: ping
22:16:05myth_linuxstb: Wouldn't it be better if some of the experts had a look at this? This takes me ages and could be better used on writing a new codec
22:16:13gevaertsbarrywardell: are you trying at full speed or high speed ?
22:16:24myth_my spare time is too limited :(
22:16:40barrywardellhigh speed
22:17:08BigBambimyth_: As is everybodies
22:17:27Bagderwe should craft up something like this =>
22:17:44gevaertsbarrywardell: I forgot the boosting changes in r16448... As we're actually looking for protocol issues, can you retry at full speed ?
22:18:27barrywardellgevaerts: here are my logfs: (svn r16447) and (svn r16448)
22:18:42barrywardellI'll try full speed now
22:19:45webguest62hi, i need help
22:20:02webguest62i need to know how to install patches exactly
22:20:24bluebrothermaybe let the student do a build and add some (known to work) patches?
22:20:37bluebrotherwebguest62: you don't install patches. Those get applied against the sources.
22:20:45bluebrotherwhich means you need to compile yourself.
22:21:26webguest62 i have no idea what to do to get this to work:
22:21:40Bagderwebguest62: see the WorkingWithPatches wiki page
22:21:41barrywardellgevaerts: exactly the same with high speed
22:21:43bluebrotherdo you know how to build?
22:21:53barrywardellgevaerts: I mean full speed
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22:22:47bluebrotherwell, then you should really read the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page and ask yourself if you want to take up the task.
22:23:01webguest62ok thanks alot
22:23:03bluebrotheras it requires quite a bit of time
22:23:15gevaertsbarrywardell: at first sight, it looks like it wants the caching mode page, and doesn't take no for an answer. I'm checking if that part is correct now
22:23:15webguest62ok i will check it out
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22:23:24bluebrotheralternatively, check the unsupported builds for one that in cludes this. No idea if such a build is around.
22:24:12linuxstbBagder: I like that page - we could almost steal it verbatim...
22:24:23Bagderyes I think so too
22:24:28peturcheck the license ;)
22:24:35linuxstbpetur: I was just thinking that ;)
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22:26:50linuxstbWhat about SVN access? For things like plugins or codecs, it could work well, but probably not if the changes apply to core code...
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22:27:23bluebrothermaybe using a git mirror?
22:27:26Bagderwe can offer them a branch right away I'd say
22:27:27linuxstbBut sharing code in some form on at least a weekly basis is a good idea.
22:29:12peturweekly is the maximum, two days probably better (depends on the student)
22:29:19scorche|shdefinitely....i think we should enforce "commit early, commit often" much more this year...even if the code isnt ready
22:29:23*petur learned a lesson
22:29:33bluebrothermyth_: can I close FS #5241?
22:30:19scorche|shi definitely think we should enforce IRC more well as having mandatory "meetings" besides emails/casual IRC chat
22:31:23Bagderwith sharing the code every week, I'm not sure extra "meetings" need to be compulsory
22:32:01amiconnpetur: pong
22:32:15gevaertsbarrywardell: I still think the code is correct, but I'll try implementing the caching mode page.
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22:32:51scorche|shBagder: i was thinking every 2 weeks or so
22:33:29peturamiconn: wait_for_start_of_transfer() times out in wait_for_bsy(). status 0xD1, error 0x04
22:33:53amiconnWhat happens in perform_soft_reset()? No error?
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22:37:03peturamiconn: I only logged timeouts in wait_for_bsy/rdy and the places they get called
22:37:36amiconnHmm, so the soft reset is not the real problem
22:37:42peturand the one in soft_reset didn't fail
22:37:47barrywardellgevaerts: OK, thanks. Let me know if you have anything you want me to test
22:37:54amiconnThe problem is that the accesses fail *after* the soft reset
22:38:07amiconnSo I think that the soft reset itself works, but not properly
22:38:09linuxstbbluebrother: I've just closed it...
22:38:24amiconnIt probably acts like a hard reset
22:38:29bluebrotherlinuxstb: ok, then I won't wait for an answer ;-)
22:39:28linuxstbbluebrother: I asked myth_ to post his latest patch as a new task so we could reject the first version (to keep it cleanly separated)
22:39:53bluebrotherI think we need a new tracker cleanup week ...
22:40:28crzyboysterIs it OK if I knock the entire rockbox icon off the wps screen in the cabbiev2 mrobe 100 port?
22:41:48amiconnpetur: It could be that the card loses the multisector setting, which will of course make the multisector read and write commands fail
22:42:16amiconnBasically we would need to do some (not all) of the inits which are done in ata_init() also in case of a soft reset
22:42:20peturamiconn: I'm now building a version that does an init again after soft reset
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22:42:52pixelmacrzyboyster: that was my first reaction too, my "problem" is that it then should have a bit bigger icons for the rest (and I'd think it's nice if all 160x128 are somewhat similar in this regard (couldn't decide for myself yet)
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22:43:23amiconnfreeze_lock(), set_features() and set_multiple_mode()
22:43:50pixelmacrzyboyster: by the way: what do you mean with the Archos port bitmaps need renaming?
22:44:51tapesHey guys is it worth risking installing rockbox on my sansa e260 using the 200 firmware or should i be patient and wait for it to be ported?
22:45:12Bagder200 _series_
22:45:19Bagderthat includes 260
22:45:27tapessweet, thanks
22:45:38*pixelma deletes the start of a longer explanation... :)
22:46:29pixelmatapes: just make sure you have not a e260v2
22:46:44gevaertsbarrywardell: can you try setting tb.inquiry->Versions to 0 in identify2inquiry() ? (just a wild guess)
22:47:35bluebrotherhmm, maybe we should clarify this in the manual somewhat. We have "manual for h100, h120, ..." but "manual fΓΌr e200"
22:47:38peturamiconn: when is a soft_reset performed? it is not freezing atm but I've only seen one soft_reset in my log
22:48:53myth_I have to leave now, bye everyone
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22:53:03amiconnpetur: It's only called after ATA_SLEEP if the disk was *not* powered off inbetween
22:53:19amiconnYou can temporarily disable ata poweroff in your build
22:53:30*petur increases spindown time
22:53:30amiconnThen it will be called everytime after sleep
22:53:31barrywardellgevaerts: no difference. but, seting tb.inquiry->DeviceTypeModifier = DEVICE_REMOVABLE makes disk utility find it again!
22:53:42amiconnIncreasing spindown time won't help
22:53:53peturok ok
22:53:59amiconnThe sleep command is what causes the disk to spin down
22:53:59*petur makes another build ;)
22:54:26amiconnWith ata poweroff, there is only a 2 second window where the soft reset misbehaviour could hit
22:54:53peturamiconn: remove HAVE_ATA_POWER_OFF ?
22:55:20gevaertsbarrywardell: interesting. Can you mount it by hand ?
22:55:22crzyboyster'pixelma: Actually, it's not the archos port. It is the 128x64x1 rwps that seems to be the consistency problem for some filenames.
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22:55:53pixelmabluebrother: I like the idea... on a related note: I started looking at the installation instruction (because some important general things are only mentioned in the "manual installation" chapter which comes after the "automated installation" chapter now). I try to find a good structure but it's not easy and a not very motivating task...
22:57:08Lloreanbluebrother: Well teh h100 uses a different bootloader and firmware file than the h120
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22:57:48tapessorry to bother you again im just going through the instruction manual ive downloaded and extracted the current build im up to the fonts bit and have downloaded the daily build im installing to route is it ok to overwrite the current files? as it is not in the instructions
22:57:51bluebrotheryep, but the manual is for the h100 series. So we could either just name it as "h100 series" or name all supported players.
22:58:09peturamiconn: looking good...
22:58:12n1stapes: yes overwrite is ok
22:58:21bluebrothertapes: daily build and current build? You need only one of those
22:59:08peturamiconn: would it be acceptable to re-init after soft reset for all targets?
22:59:49tapesoh but instructions for manual installation show both
23:00:06tapesthe second part being for fonts
23:00:18bluebrotherwell, the fonts is something different.
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23:00:24pixelmaLlorean: I thought he meant all the supported models should be listed somewhere in the beginning or on the frontpage like in "The Rockbox Manual for Iriver H320 and H340"
23:00:38Lloreanpixelma: I can agree with that.
23:01:15bluebrotherwe could also write it as "manual for h100 series (h100, h120, ihp...)
23:01:27barrywardellgevaerts: I can't get it to mount by hand
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23:02:42gevaertsbarrywardell: any logf output ?
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23:06:16gevaertsbarrywardell: can you enable the logf statement at line 707 (logf("scsi read %d %d", current_cmd.sector, current_cmd.count);)
23:06:27*gevaerts should have a mac here
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23:07:10gevaertsbarrywardell: maybe also the one at 792 (logf("CSW: %X",status);)
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23:09:01pixelmaare there any other opinions on GodEater's manual patch that changes "File Menu" to "Context Menu"? Wanted to ask when some more people interested in the manual seem active...
23:09:31*Llorean is in favour of it.
23:10:39*linuxstb nods agreeingly
23:11:05barrywardellgevaerts: (that's with 707 only)
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23:14:06gevaertsbarrywardell: try changing line 704 from 'cbw->command_block[7] << 16' to 'cbw->command_block[7] << 8'. That looks like a clear bug to me
23:14:30barrywardellgevaerts: with 792 as well:
23:14:52gevaertsbarrywardell: and if you want to try writing, same fix on line 741
23:16:21barrywardellgevaerts: success! my H10 now mounts on my mac :)
23:16:26bluebrotherpixelma: I'm all for it.
23:16:35gevaertsbarrywardell: I'll commit both fixes
23:17:55pixelmaok, going to commit it then but have to do clean up my tree a bit before and make sure the manual still compiles (tested it last week but want to make sure)
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23:19:50gevaertsbarrywardell: done.
23:20:52gevaertsbarrywardell: can you do a quick check on a clean svn checkout, just to be sure ?
23:20:59barrywardellyeah, ok
23:21:43*gevaerts already goes to the wiki page to remove the "mac osx doesn't like it" note
23:26:05barrywardellgevaerts: works great. one last problem though...unmounting doesn't work. when I eject the disk it mounts itself again straight away
23:27:11gevaertsbarrywardell: that's an interesting one. Maybe we need to start failing TEST_UNIT_READY after a START_STOP_UNIT ? Do you have a logf output ?
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23:28:13barrywardellgevaerts: unmounting using 'diskutil unmount' on the command line works
23:28:58gevaertsbarrywardell: at least your data is safe then ;)
23:31:12barrywardellgevaerts: <= that's connecting usb, trying to unmount with the gui, then unmounting on command line
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23:31:37bttbHi all
23:32:56peturamiconn: in case you return after I've left: new patch on
23:33:00gevaertsbarrywardell: is that the correct one ? It looks like a dump from a version with the <<16 still i it.
23:34:13bttbWhat's the best way to buy an iPod Mini nowadays? eBay?
23:34:43amiconnpetur: I'd want to drop the ata_is_flash stuff
23:34:55peturyes I know
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23:35:16peturonly the failing powermanagement stuff is left
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23:35:34barrywardellgevaerts: let me check again.
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23:35:48amiconnAnd your return value for the repeated set_features() is wrong
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23:35:57amiconn(minus sign missing)
23:36:11peturamiconn: so it would be ok to re-init after soft-reset for all targets?
23:36:22amiconnIt shouldn't hurt
23:36:35*petur spots the typo
23:36:37amiconnDoesn't happen too often if the target supports ata poweroff
23:37:13amiconnThe order in set_features shouldn't matter
23:37:37barrywardellgevaerts: logfdump doesn't work after a usb connection now
23:37:44amiconn(regarding your move of the pio mode setting)
23:38:00barrywardellgevaerts: scrap that
23:38:18*gevaerts is busy scrapping
23:38:21peturamiconn: leftover from testing/guessing
23:38:33*petur has to go....
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23:41:28linuxstbbttb: Yes, I expect ebay would be the easiest place to find a mini
23:43:04jac0bnice icons on the site plus the revision numbers on every new revision
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23:43:42bttblinuxstb: thx
23:44:21bttbDo the iPod docking stations work (need audio only) with rockbox?
23:45:18*pixelma found the icons a bit distracting
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23:45:55*barrywardell remembered to enable logf in usb_storage.c this time!
23:47:02gevaertsOK, so it does a start_stop_unit. I'll have a patch for you to test in a few minutes
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23:49:55gevaertsbarrywardell: gevaerts/start_stop_unit.diff">
23:52:31barrywardellgevaerts: works great
23:53:56gevaertsSo it looks like on H10 at least there should be no problems left
23:54:40LloreanDoes that mean we're down to the Sansa issue?
23:55:00linuxstbbttb: This page describes the current status of ipod accessories in Rockbox -
23:55:10bttblinuxstb: thx again
23:55:15gevaertsThe Sansa issue and signal quality, but the H10 doesn't seem to suffer from that one (or at least not nearly as much)
23:55:55linuxstbSo still no reports of disk corruption from non-Sansa users?
23:56:11gevaertsAt least I didn't hear anything
23:56:38linuxstbAnyone know if unofficial builds are enabling the USB stack?
23:58:03LloreanI don't think they are.
23:58:16LloreanBut then, most of the unofficial activity has really died down a lot, I think.
23:58:20gevaertsMaybe we could move USE_ROCKBOX_USB and USE_HIGH_SPEED to the debug menu (at least on non-sansa), so people can experiment more easily ?
23:58:24LloreanI see tdtooke updating his, and a few sansa builds.

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