| 00:00:13 | amiconn | The chip pin spacing is the same size on all relevant ipods (as its the same chips which we're interested in), but I expect the chips to be more closely packed on 5th Gen |
| 00:02:04 | Soap_ | when I get home I'll look at board scans and try to figure out where said chips are, and how plausable it is to run the device while in an open state. |
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| 00:05:33 | amiconn | 0.5mm pin spacing... |
| 00:05:46 | Soap_ | nasty |
| 00:07:06 | gevaerts | Shorting these might void your warranty I guess |
| 00:08:33 | Soap_ | but this needs to be done, doesn't it. |
| 00:10:56 | gevaerts | It would provide useful information anyay |
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| 00:12:31 | gevaerts | I added a wiki page with the current USB stack status (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/save/Main/PortalPlayerUsb). Any suggestions on where to add links to it ? |
| 00:13:09 | * | gevaerts means http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb of course |
| 00:13:42 | Llorean | gevaerts: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers ? |
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| 00:16:33 | barrywardell | gevaerts: I don't get windows (in a vm on osx) showing my H10 as a drive any more. I can't tell if it's because I removed the stalls - when I add them back in os x locks up again :( |
| 00:16:57 | gevaerts | Llorean: I added it there to the Projects & Discussions section |
| 00:17:16 | gevaerts | barrywardell: I'll test tomorrow. |
| 00:17:31 | barrywardell | gevaerts: thanks |
| 00:18:16 | cg | gevaerts: another theory. if for some reason buffer_length got negative value, for example due to line 131 having wrong length, the if() on line 135 would still be true. maybe if(buffer_length>0) would be safer? |
| 00:18:54 | cg | but enough theories, time to sleep |
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| 00:19:29 | gevaerts | cg: if that happens, status shouldn't be 0 (unless there is a serious hardware bug...) |
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| 00:19:51 | ffm_ | Do developers need iPod classic/2gennano firmware dumps? I'd be happy to provide them. |
| 00:20:18 | ffm_ | there are two partitions on the ipod (as shown http://pastebin.ca/925363 ), and the first looks like a firmware one. |
| 00:22:12 | * | gevaerts is off to write a mail to the dev mailing list to tell everyone that logf-over-usb seems usable |
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| 00:23:45 | Beta2K | ffm_, they were just saying they'd like some voltage readings :) |
| 00:23:59 | scorche | Beta2K: wrong device |
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| 00:24:16 | Beta2K | Oh crud |
| 00:24:22 | Beta2K | Wow I can't read today... |
| 00:24:32 | Beta2K | I read "ipod 2nd gen" |
| 00:24:54 | ffm | Beta2K: second genration in the nano line. |
| 00:24:56 | * | Beta2K thinks he needs sleep |
| 00:26:09 | stripwax | ffm - unencrypted? |
| 00:26:38 | ffm | stripwax: idk. |
| 00:26:52 | ffm | stripwax: iirc, the 2nd nano is encrypted. |
| 00:27:00 | scorche | it should be |
| 00:28:02 | ffm | scorche: en, or un? |
| 00:28:10 | scorche | en |
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| 00:29:03 | ffm | will a "cat /dev/sdg1 > foobar.raw" work, or do I _have_ to use dd? |
| 00:29:24 | gevaerts | ffm: cat should work |
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| 00:31:30 | cg | gevaerts: well, theoretically length could get negative value if passed to usb_serial_send(). then usb_serial_transfer_complete() would not need status 0, but buffer_length would stay negative and continue calling sendout() |
| 00:31:59 | cg | gevaerts: this would probably require some sort of programming error somewhere else... |
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| 00:34:39 | gevaerts | cg: I added some checks now |
| 00:35:16 | ffm | scorche: am I missing somethign, or is my magical first six sectors empty? fdisk reports them as such. |
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| 00:37:15 | ffm | is it illegal for me to upload a dump of my firmware? |
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| 00:37:35 | ffm | I don't want to violate the DMCA/get sued by apple. |
| 00:38:38 | Beta2K | Honestly? Probably. |
| 00:39:38 | Beta2K | I know there have been gentle requests made by M$ in regards to people having flash dumps from Xbox's |
| 00:40:03 | Beta2K | Tho no one that I know of has been sued/charged |
| 00:40:06 | ffm | Beta2K: what's the chance of me personaly being sued? |
| 00:40:10 | Beta2K | Only asked ot pleaseremove it |
| 00:40:21 | ffm | Beta2K: and will rockbox remove it when asked, and if they do , will they tell me? |
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| 00:40:55 | Beta2K | That, I have no idea about :) |
| 00:41:04 | ffm | Beta2K: and if they remove it, can I still be sued? |
| 00:41:10 | ffm | s/i/ |
| 00:41:21 | ffm | s/i/"I and or they"/ |
| 00:41:25 | rasher | ffm: Unless I'm missing something, it is definitely illegal. "Rockbox" will probably remove it even if not asked. |
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| 00:41:41 | scorche | ffm: where were you planning on uploading it? |
| 00:42:11 | scorche | i *think* some have already had a look at it, but i am not sure... |
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| 00:47:43 | scorche | ffm: you might be better off bringing this up a few hours ago (in terms of timing)...many contributors are european, especially the ones who have had a look into this |
| 00:49:25 | ffm | scorche: I was going to attach it to a forum posting. |
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| 00:49:47 | scorche | ffm: ah...you wouldnt be able to do that anyway due to limits we impose on forums attachments |
| 00:50:10 | ffm | scorche: kk. I'll put it on filebin.ca |
| 00:51:20 | ffm | scorche: darn, I'm over their 50 mb limit. |
| 00:51:23 | ffm | limmit. |
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| 00:53:54 | krazykit | ffm, you had the word right the first time ;) |
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| 01:16:43 | soap | Is it over 50MB even when in a .zip? |
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| 01:25:45 | ffm | soap: lets seee.. |
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| 01:26:28 | ffm | soap: .zip? I'm insulted. All the cool kids use gzip, or even better, bzip2 |
| 01:27:10 | Beta2K | Is the firmware already compressed? |
| 01:27:19 | ffm | in any case, 19.5mb (bzip2) and 20mb (zip) |
| 01:27:26 | Beta2K | As in on the disk, being that's it's encrypted. |
| 01:27:26 | ffm | Beta2K: it would appear not. |
| 01:27:39 | ffm | Beta2K: uploading... |
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| 01:29:25 | Beta2K | Apparently, what's the original file size? |
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| 01:30:45 | linuxstb_ | I don't know about the other newer ipods, but at least for the 2nd Gen Nano, the contents of the firmware partition is just what Apple make available for download - see http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ |
| 01:30:59 | linuxstb_ | So dumps aren't needed - Apple make them available... |
| 01:31:09 | Negi[Jew] | oh word |
| 01:31:35 | Negi[Jew] | are there any breakthroughs in the 2g nano hacking or whatever |
| 01:32:07 | ffm | Beta2K: 95 mb. |
| 01:32:29 | linuxstb_ | Negi[Jew]: Not that we've heard about. |
| 01:33:03 | Beta2K | Ouch |
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| 01:38:07 | ffm | so http://filebin.ca/ffovfe/2gen_nano_2gb.raw.tar.bz2 isn't useful? |
| 01:40:59 | Beta2K | There's got to be more to it... |
| 01:41:18 | Beta2K | Did you look at the dump you made? |
| 01:46:22 | Hodapp | wtf are you guys talking about? |
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| 01:47:01 | Beta2K | Long story? :) |
| 01:47:05 | krazykit | Hodapp, logs are available if you want to catch up... |
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| 01:51:12 | Beta2K | LOL, the first few lines of the firmware is a ASCII "Stop" sign :) |
| 01:51:31 | Hodapp | haha' |
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| 01:56:55 | Beta2K | So ffm |
| 01:57:09 | Beta2K | Are you going to be mad at me if I say they look the same so far? |
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| 02:00:07 | linuxstb | Beta2K: What look the same? |
| 02:00:45 | Beta2K | the dump vs the downloaded file from the site you quoted |
| 02:02:18 | Beta2K | the dump has a bunch of 0's padding the end (about 70 meg worth) |
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| 02:22:15 | Beta2K | Nope, byte-by-byte diff from 0x0 to 0x170b7ff found no differences form the dump to the apple supplied file |
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| 02:43:03 | Eightdollapimp | ne one alive? |
| 02:43:24 | advcomp2019 | Eightdollapimp, yea but just say it |
| 02:43:47 | Eightdollapimp | just curious if there is a build for gen 2 nano...or will the gen 1 build work? |
| 02:44:22 | Eightdollapimp | cuz im using the utility installer and its not recognizing the ipod nano gen 2 |
| 02:44:30 | Eightdollapimp | makes the folder but doesnt install it |
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| 02:45:20 | Febs | Rockbox does not support the second generation Nano. |
| 02:45:39 | Eightdollapimp | ight thank you |
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| 03:35:10 | soap | why do we tell users who are having trouble getting into disk mode (with a working iPod bootloader) to keep trying the Select + Play button combo. |
| 03:35:15 | soap | oops - ? |
| 03:36:20 | Llorean | Because half the time I forget to tell them to turn on hold instead. |
| 03:36:22 | soap | Is there a reason we don't simply say "If you are able to reboot flick the hold switch to the on (red) position and let the Apple original firmware take over"? |
| 03:36:30 | Davide-NYC | I'm getting an "Error 2" in make under Cygwin even after "make clean" and reconfigure. |
| 03:36:34 | soap | Just curious if my brain was misfiring. |
| 03:37:10 | Llorean | Nah |
| 03:37:15 | Llorean | But Disk Mode is "guaranteed" to work. |
| 03:37:26 | Davide-NYC | "make[1]: *** [rocks] Error 2" and "make: *** [build] Error 2" |
| 03:37:31 | Llorean | Apple OS isn't, if they've done something horrible (unlikely though) |
| 03:38:02 | scorche | Davide-NYC: the important part is before that |
| 03:38:09 | soap | you stole my post you big meanie! |
| 03:38:19 | soap | ;) |
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| 03:38:36 | Davide-NYC | Long list of *.o files the last of which was disktidy. |
| 03:38:50 | Davide-NYC | you want the whole list? |
| 03:38:56 | Llorean | soap: I can't imagine he's doing it right though, if he's failing now. My best guess is he's still holding Select+Play too late. |
| 03:39:02 | scorche | Davide-NYC: pastebin the whole thing |
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| 03:39:50 | soap | unless he coincidentally has a broken Play button. Very odd coincidence if so. |
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| 03:40:07 | Davide-NYC | http://pastebin.com/d1551d38f |
| 03:40:14 | soap | and kill my recent bump if it is over the line. |
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| 03:44:31 | Llorean | soap: Actually, it's not at all. In fact, I was about to ask you if you think it would be going to far to write in the rules that Developers, Moderators, and Experts are explicitly allowed to, at their discretion choose to ignore any of the posted guidelines, so long as they feel it's necessary for blah blah better functioning etc. |
| 03:45:02 | Llorean | Davide-NYC: That doesn't look like the whole log |
| 03:46:34 | Davide-NYC | Llorean: where do I find the log? |
| 03:47:00 | Davide-NYC | or do I have to run make again and redirect the output? |
| 03:47:03 | Llorean | There's no explicit log file. |
| 03:47:06 | Davide-NYC | k |
| 03:47:08 | Llorean | You'll have to redirect all the output. |
| 03:47:16 | Llorean | Because the errors are further up than what you're showing, it looks like. |
| 03:47:34 | Davide-NYC | am doing |
| 03:48:05 | corfy | My name is Jason Corfman. I'd like to request permission to edit the wiki so I can add a FM preset file I made for Indiana. |
| 03:48:28 | Davide-NYC | urghh, must make clean |
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| 03:52:01 | Beta2K | Anyone know what file I'd find kernel_entry() in ? |
| 03:52:02 | plb | any ideas how long before iaudio d2 is supported? -) |
| 03:53:12 | Davide-NYC | OK: here it is... http://pastebin.com/d22e488e3 |
| 03:53:27 | Llorean | plb: There's no way to predict. |
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| 03:54:13 | plb | yeah figured that...pity I just got a d2 and have been watching rockbox videos on youtube and now I want rockbox on this thing heh |
| 03:54:28 | cm0 | Ok, i'm new to this.. I see the plugin docs, but where do you actually download them?? |
| 03:54:44 | Llorean | corfy: Done |
| 03:54:52 | corfy | Llorean, thanks |
| 03:54:55 | Llorean | cm0: They're included, as per the manual |
| 03:55:22 | cm0 | oh snap, all of 'em? thanks |
| 03:55:43 | Llorean | Davide-NYC: I don't see a mention of an error at all in that paste. |
| 03:55:56 | Llorean | Davide-NYC: Did you redirect all output? &> ? |
| 03:56:24 | Davide-NYC | No, I didn't. The last two lines are the same as posted earlier though. |
| 03:56:41 | Davide-NYC | "make[1]: *** [rocks] Error 2" and "make: *** [build] Error 2" |
| 03:57:05 | Llorean | But we need stderr, which I think wouldn't be redirected... |
| 03:57:21 | Llorean | I can't really tell you what's wrong without the lines that actually contain the error messages. ;) |
| 03:57:43 | Llorean | And I'm *pretty* sure they don't show up on stdout. |
| 03:57:45 | Davide-NYC | I presume stderr is what comes up at the console even after a simple > redirect and that is what I just posted. |
| 03:57:49 | Davide-NYC | Ah |
| 03:57:56 | Davide-NYC | OK I'll run it again. |
| 03:58:01 | Llorean | Try it with &> |
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| 03:58:18 | * | Llorean hopes he got that right. |
| 03:59:20 | cm0 | what's the list of supported video playback formats for an e200? Not seeing them on the file formats table in the manual |
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| 04:00:07 | Febs | MPEG-2 |
| 04:00:34 | cm0 | had a feeling that was it, thanks |
| 04:00:38 | jhMikeS | mpeg-1 as well |
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| 04:08:21 | Davide-NYC | Llorean: bad news, &> changes nothing except for adding the two lines I specified earlier to the end of the file. |
| 04:08:38 | Davide-NYC | Something's up with Cygwin maybe? |
| 04:08:49 | Davide-NYC | maybe I should DL fresh everything? |
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| 06:49:42 | CAIN | can anyone help with a sandisk c240? |
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| 06:50:39 | Llorean | CAIN: What's your question? |
| 06:53:28 | CAIN | I have Vista and trying to get the updater to reconize the program. I was having exception processing messages, so i changed the drives. That seemed to stop it. I talked to Sandisk and they say that it is a problem with the device and want me to return it. This is my 3rd one once I return it so I am wondering of anyone knows how to get the firmware updater to work properly, since I can see it in my task manager? |
| 06:55:41 | Llorean | That doesn't sound anything at all like a Rockbox issue |
| 06:56:16 | CAIN | I know that I heard there is a way to download firmware directly to mp3 players |
| 06:56:48 | Llorean | We really can't provide support or help with other peoples' programs. |
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| 09:13:46 | webguest95 | Hi |
| 09:13:53 | webguest95 | Hi |
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| 09:14:29 | webguest95 | I have a problem with installation of bootloader :S |
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| 09:14:48 | markun | webguest95: which player and what kind of problem? |
| 09:15:04 | webguest95 | I have a Ipod Nano Silver and when i try to install it say No IPod Found |
| 09:15:26 | scorche | silver?...that would be a 2nd gen nano... |
| 09:15:50 | webguest95 | damn |
| 09:16:11 | webguest95 | I try to install before linux but I got same error |
| 09:16:45 | krazykit | if it's a 2nd gen nano, rockbox does not support this device. |
| 09:17:02 | scorche | (and neither will ipodlinux, of course...) |
| 09:17:47 | webguest95 | I know that but do you have solution for me I only want to install some free game on my crap Ipod ...? |
| 09:18:52 | scorche | your only solution is going to be to toss that ipod and get something else that rockbox will run on (unless you happen to be quite good at defeating encryption, reverse engineering, and programming ;) |
| 09:19:55 | webguest95 | It's only because I have now a Zune and my ipod sleep in a corner :p ... On Zune we dont have game or anymore application so it's boring :S |
| 09:20:21 | GodEater | buy a gameboy ? |
| 09:20:22 | markun | doesn't apple make games for ipods? |
| 09:20:50 | webguest95 | ...yeah but I dont have money for that XD |
| 09:20:50 | markun | webguest95: http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/microsoft-confirms-zune-will-play-games-by-july-2008/ |
| 09:20:59 | webguest95 | I know thank |
| 09:21:11 | markun | but you do have money for 2 MP3 players? :) |
| 09:22:47 | webguest95 | haha ... My Ipod doest work correctly :) |
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| 09:24:05 | webguest95 | My battery decharge within one hour and it remains loaded with some time if I restore my ipod |
| 09:25:44 | scorche | being that it is not a device that rockbox runs on, it is a bit offtopic for this channel... |
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| 09:27:07 | markun | webguest95: there is a port to the Gigabeat S in the works which is very similar to the Zune. Unfortunately the Zune has better security which prevents us from exploiting it the same way. |
| 09:28:58 | markun | and I'm planning to do some porting work to the Meizu M6 which is supposedly similar to the ipod nano, but also here the ipod's security will probably prevent us to port to it. |
| 09:29:56 | linuxstb | markun: Similar to which Nano? |
| 09:30:42 | markun | 2nd gen |
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| 09:30:49 | markun | at least the SoC |
| 09:30:51 | polaroid | hey |
| 09:30:55 | markun | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SamsungSA58 |
| 09:30:59 | markun | polaroid: hi |
| 09:31:53 | polaroid | my ipod was working fine with rockbox for around a week, and then out of nowhere, it became completely unresponsive. the screen does not turn on, it does not respond to pluging it in or anything. its pretty much bricked |
| 09:32:04 | polaroid | plugging* |
| 09:32:08 | linuxstb | Have you tried resetting it (hold MENU+SELECT) ? |
| 09:32:19 | polaroid | yeah |
| 09:32:27 | polaroid | nothing responds |
| 09:33:03 | linuxstb | Just charge it and keep trying MENU+SELECT (you may need to keep it pressed for up to 30 seconds). |
| 09:33:23 | polaroid | okay |
| 09:33:27 | polaroid | it should be charged |
| 09:33:46 | LinusN | polaroid: i had a similar "accident" with my ipod video the other day, and i solved it by pulling the battery |
| 09:33:56 | polaroid | that got it |
| 09:34:03 | polaroid | thanks :D |
| 09:34:41 | polaroid | thank you |
| 09:34:53 | polaroid | had to have it plugged in while resetting |
| 09:35:53 | polaroid | and does rockbox bypass the 4kb text file limit? |
| 09:36:26 | GodEater | what 4kb text file limit ? :D |
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| 09:37:31 | polaroid | on the ipod, if you have a text file bigger than 4kb's or a certain amount of words it just shows a certain amount of words |
| 09:37:35 | polaroid | does rockbox show the whole thing |
| 09:38:46 | markun | yes, our textviewer doesn't have such a limit (and why would it) |
| 09:38:59 | amiconn | The only limit for the rockbox text viewer is the file size limit on fat32 (2GB) |
| 09:39:05 | polaroid | nice |
| 09:39:08 | polaroid | thanks :D |
| 09:39:15 | polaroid | whoever has text files that big... |
| 09:39:16 | markun | amiconn: completely forgot about that limit ;) |
| 09:40:26 | * | linuxstb finds it hard to imagine how long a 2GB text file would take to read... |
| 09:40:55 | * | GodEater doesn't even try to imagine |
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| 09:41:30 | * | krazykit once had a 4gb text file :( |
| 09:41:44 | polaroid | what was it? |
| 09:41:44 | markun | krazykit: how far did you get? |
| 09:42:19 | krazykit | for whatever reason, i had several things logging in debug mode to /var/logs/messages :\. i deleted the file. |
| 09:42:34 | polaroid | i can imagine anyone would |
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| 10:04:50 | markun | linuxstb: the Meizu M6 has a rescue mode and I found an open source tool for the firmware update :) |
| 10:05:27 | linuxstb | Nice. Was that a tool written specifically for the M6? |
| 10:05:50 | markun | nope, for open moko: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util |
| 10:06:15 | markun | meizu uses DFU-Tool (DFU-Server?) by samsung |
| 10:07:17 | markun | I wonder if DFU-Util is broken for big-endian devices or big-endian computers running the tool... |
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| 10:11:07 | safetydan | So... does low latency mode still break talking? |
| 10:11:52 | safetydan | and a related question, is there any reason we switch to low latency mode when adjusting hardware settings like volume? |
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| 10:22:51 | polaroid | im getting much less battery life with rockbox :( |
| 10:24:09 | linuxstb | How much less? |
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| 10:25:33 | polaroid | like |
| 10:25:33 | polaroid | half |
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| 10:26:04 | linuxstb | Which ipod do you have? |
| 10:26:10 | polaroid | ipod video 5.5 |
| 10:26:12 | polaroid | 30 gb |
| 10:26:24 | linuxstb | And you're using a current version of Rockbox?? |
| 10:26:29 | polaroid | even with the brightness for the backlight at 3-5 |
| 10:26:34 | polaroid | i believe so |
| 10:26:42 | linuxstb | When did you last update it? |
| 10:26:50 | polaroid | about a week ago |
| 10:27:36 | linuxstb | OK. Power-saving updates were committed a few weeks ago - Rockbox still uses more power than the Apple firmware, but I think you should be getting a lot more than half. |
| 10:28:21 | polaroid | do different themes use more/less energy? |
| 10:28:46 | polaroid | i would assume so |
| 10:30:23 | linuxstb | Have you done a scientific comparison? i.e. playing the same album of files on repeat in both firmwares, and comparing how long the battery lasts? There's a plugin for Rockbox that helps with such tests - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BatteryRuntime |
| 10:30:41 | pixelma | pondlife: hi |
| 10:30:45 | pondlife | Hi |
| 10:30:54 | polaroid | ill try that tomorrow |
| 10:30:56 | pondlife | I'm seeing the auto-dir change problem on H300 |
| 10:30:59 | polaroid | ill document it too |
| 10:31:11 | pondlife | But the sim won't break, no matter how much I skip :/ |
| 10:31:58 | polaroid | thanks |
| 10:32:03 | polaroid | now ive got to go to bed |
| 10:32:03 | pixelma | pondlife: there's also another small problem left, see http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15722.0. I get that on both the c200 and the M5 too but still better than missing complete songs... |
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| 10:53:09 | pixelma | roolku: how far is the m:robe100 remote away from supported and what display does it have? |
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| 11:02:23 | pondlife | pixelma: Potential improvement for auto-dir change...http://www.pastebin.ca/925822 |
| 11:03:12 | pondlife | I'm not able to test on target yet, but feedback is welcome |
| 11:03:30 | pixelma | ok, will test |
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| 11:29:59 | roolku | pixelma: I don't have a remote, but lowlight does. It is the same remote as for the m:robe 500 and I believe it is already supported there? So we just need the rs-232 driver of the pp5020 and if I understand correctly LinusN has already done that for the ipods |
| 11:30:29 | pixelma | pondlife: the patch didn't fix the problem (but couldn't find any downsides either) |
| 11:30:41 | roolku | roolku: so I am confident it will be supported - I have no idea about the display though - let's see if I can find something |
| 11:30:42 | pondlife | Hmm, that's interesting... |
| 11:30:51 | pondlife | ... I might commit for a green delta anyway |
| 11:31:06 | pixelma | haven't tested much though |
| 11:31:13 | pondlife | pixelma: Don't suppose you can repro on the sim? |
| 11:31:50 | pondlife | I've only really tried lots of skipping hard (i.e. bash away at the left/right keys). Maybe it's more subtle? |
| 11:32:43 | pixelma | with patch or without? Haven't tried so far (would have to fill an archos dir with some (more) music first) |
| 11:33:24 | pondlife | With patch, preferably. But it probably makes no difference |
| 11:33:34 | pondlife | So whatever is easiest |
| 11:40:44 | safetydan | okay, forget what I said about low latency breaking talk |
| 11:40:52 | amiconn | roolku: Afaik LinusN only gox Rx going, but not Tx |
| 11:41:04 | LinusN | exactly |
| 11:41:10 | amiconn | Rx ist sufficient for a simple remote, but a remote LCD would need Tx |
| 11:41:27 | LinusN | but i'm not sure yet if it's a general PP problem or just ipod |
| 11:41:35 | amiconn | (it could be though that the remote lcd uses something different, e.g. SPI) |
| 11:46:22 | LinusN | that is possible |
| 11:46:36 | pixelma | pondlife: seeme like I also can not reproduce in a sim (with patch) |
| 11:46:47 | pixelma | *seems |
| 11:46:49 | pondlife | OK, thanks for trying |
| 11:47:04 | * | pondlife loves race conditions :/ |
| 11:47:30 | linuxstb | LinusN: How are you debugging the serial driver - do you have some kind of ipod->RS232 adapter? |
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| 11:48:41 | LinusN | so far i have used an ipod remote and an oscilloscope, but i will soon connect my ipod->rs232 adapter |
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| 11:59:11 | JdGordon | roolku: if its the same as the mr500 remote then yes its supported and known how to use it |
| 11:59:17 | JdGordon | the display isnt done yet though |
| 11:59:44 | roolku | JdGordon: nice :) |
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| 12:00:26 | roolku | JdGordon: do you know the resolution of the display? I think pixelma wants to know it for graphics (even if it doesn't work yet) |
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| 12:00:50 | JdGordon | leme have a looksee... |
| 12:02:43 | JdGordon | pixelma: 79x16 + some static chars for random/repeat mode |
| 12:04:16 | pixelma | I was just a bit curious... |
| 12:04:45 | pixelma | 79 is a weird number for a display's resolution |
| 12:06:37 | roolku | I wonder if it is character based or if you can control individual pixels |
| 12:07:09 | JdGordon | its bitmap so you can go nuts... |
| 12:07:21 | JdGordon | ill copy the RE'd knowlegde to the rb wiki |
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| 12:07:35 | roolku | cool |
| 12:07:47 | JdGordon | (its on a private wiki (which doesnt exist....) for some reason) |
| 12:08:46 | * | roolku wants to get his hand on a remote now...maybe I should buy a m:robe 500? |
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| 12:27:15 | TheBashar | pondlife: you online? |
| 12:27:24 | pondlife | Yes |
| 12:27:53 | pondlife | I saw your update |
| 12:27:56 | TheBashar | If I'm able to get fs#8455 to trigger again, is there anything specific I should not or anything I can dump? |
| 12:28:17 | TheBashar | Obviously the best is if I can figure out how to trigger it, but in case it happens randomly... anything I can get? |
| 12:28:20 | pondlife | Not much. Mainly try without album art and without runtime data |
| 12:28:41 | TheBashar | Ok, will do. |
| 12:29:08 | pondlife | TheBashar: Do you have a build environment? |
| 12:29:29 | pondlife | The single most useful thing would be to work out which svn revision this started with |
| 12:29:31 | TheBashar | No, not yet. I'm going to get one going soon though. |
| 12:29:36 | pondlife | I mean, originally. |
| 12:29:44 | JdGordon | roolku: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/OlympusMRRemote |
| 12:30:06 | pondlife | Non-reproducible problems like this are a total PITA though |
| 12:30:25 | TheBashar | It was happening before I had a rockbox device, so I'm no help there. |
| 12:30:29 | pondlife | If you can first come up with some kind of recipe that makes it happen for you reliably, then greaet |
| 12:30:54 | pondlife | If you have a build environment, you can build ANY past version of Rockbox |
| 12:30:59 | TheBashar | Agreed. I've been trying to do that. If I understood the buffer debug screen, it might be easier to figure out the corner cases. |
| 12:31:06 | * | pondlife has wanted to try out r1 for a while.... :) |
| 12:31:28 | pondlife | TheBashar: You'll probably need to talk to Nico_P about that, sorry. |
| 12:31:59 | TheBashar | I'll ping him next time I see him online. |
| 12:32:04 | * | Nico_P is online |
| 12:32:10 | TheBashar | D'oh |
| 12:32:11 | * | pondlife was hinting ;) |
| 12:32:30 | Nico_P | what's the question ? |
| 12:32:45 | TheBashar | Any pointers on what the various buffer debug parameters mean? |
| 12:33:12 | pondlife | Nico_P: Seems #8455 is still alive.... |
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| 12:34:16 | Nico_P | TheBashar: any ones in particular? |
| 12:34:24 | TheBashar | Oh: pcm frac, alloc frac, usefl frac, data_rem, handle count, pcmbufdesc |
| 12:35:02 | * | pondlife thinks we need a HowToBecomeAPlaybackGuru wiki page... |
| 12:35:20 | Nico_P | pcm is the level of the PCM buffer, alloc is the amount of main buffer space that is allocated, real is the actual data buffered, and useful is the amount that is left to be played |
| 12:35:29 | * | gevaerts wonders if a wiki page is the most effective way to do that |
| 12:35:32 | Nico_P | handle count is the number of buffer handles |
| 12:35:33 | pondlife | :) |
| 12:35:37 | Nico_P | pcmbufdesc I don't know |
| 12:35:46 | pondlife | Maybe usefl would be better named as future ? |
| 12:35:58 | Nico_P | maybe |
| 12:36:28 | TheBashar | Sorry, and what was data_rem? |
| 12:36:32 | Nico_P | pondlife: I'd be interested in that wiki page ;) |
| 12:36:41 | pondlife | You'd be writing it ;) |
| 12:36:47 | Nico_P | TheBashar: that's the amount of data left to read from disk for the various handles |
| 12:37:30 | TheBashar | Nico_P: Should I ever see data_rem go to zero in a long playlist? |
| 12:37:37 | JdGordon | Nico_P: (without mentioning malloc) can te buffering be made to handle temporary buffers? |
| 12:37:44 | Nico_P | JdGordon: yes |
| 12:37:47 | JdGordon | for data.. not files |
| 12:37:54 | Nico_P | yes, with bufalloc |
| 12:38:03 | Nico_P | PictureFlow does it |
| 12:38:07 | JdGordon | it does it already? awesome |
| 12:38:27 | pondlife | But horrible things probably happen if you don't bufclose quite soon, right? |
| 12:38:36 | Nico_P | you shouldn't keep the pointert though |
| 12:38:52 | JdGordon | I would need it for less than a second... just to reorganise memory |
| 12:39:05 | TheBashar | Nico_P: Also, when I watch during buffering I see negative numbers. Is that just a display fluke, or an indication of something not good? |
| 12:39:08 | Nico_P | pondlife: it should be quite safe actually, as long as you always use bufgetdata to access the buffer |
| 12:39:19 | pondlife | Ah, ok |
| 12:39:28 | Nico_P | JdGordon: you can't really rely on it succeeding though |
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| 12:40:03 | JdGordon | hmm... it doesnt fail if it cant alloc the requested space? |
| 12:40:19 | Nico_P | TheBashar: about the neg numers, I'm actually not sure. it doesn't seem to indicate any problem but I wonder why it happens |
| 12:40:54 | Nico_P | TheBashar: about data_rem, you're most likeley to see it reach 0 at the end of the playlist. during normal playback it's quite unlikely |
| 12:40:57 | * | linuxstb hears mention of malloc |
| 12:41:02 | pondlife | shh |
| 12:41:17 | * | linuxstb pings the malloc police |
| 12:41:17 | Nico_P | linuxstb: hehe you have it higlighted? |
| 12:41:19 | pondlife | JdGordon explicitly didn't mention malloc |
| 12:41:32 | TheBashar | Nico_P: Thanks. I have a better idea what to watch for now. |
| 12:41:44 | linuxstb | Nico_P: No, I'm not quite that obsessed ;) |
| 12:42:05 | * | pondlife thinks of beer and petur... |
| 12:42:28 | * | petur feels pinged |
| 12:42:37 | pondlife | Nothing to see here, move along |
| 12:43:00 | pondlife | Nico_P: Did you see my other patch on #8455? |
| 12:43:07 | * | petur moves along, to the direction of lunch |
| 12:44:10 | pondlife | Nico_P: Using queue_remove_from_head() rather than a global lowbuffer_event_sent. |
| 12:44:58 | pondlife | It doesn't appear to have any net effect, but seems simpler. |
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| 12:48:07 | Nico_P | pondlife: I'm not sure I get it |
| 12:48:58 | Nico_P | ah, it's meant to ensure that there is only one Q_AUDIO_FILL_BUFFER in the head of the queue? |
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| 12:49:02 | pondlife | Yes |
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| 12:49:39 | JdGordon | someone accidently do svn rm playback.c && svn up to force an entire rewrite! |
| 12:50:19 | pondlife | It's not quite the same as the lowbuffer_event_sent var, but seems a safer way to not have lots of Q_AUDIO_FILL_BUFFERs |
| 12:50:35 | * | pondlife just doesn't like globals |
| 12:51:04 | pondlife | JdGordon: I suggest you do the rewrite first. |
| 12:51:09 | Nico_P | pondlife: yeah it seems cleaner |
| 12:51:10 | pondlife | We'll svn rm when you're happy |
| 12:51:29 | pondlife | Nico_P: Was that the purpose of the var though? |
| 12:51:50 | Nico_P | the same. avoid having to much Q_AUDIO_FILL_BUFFER queued |
| 12:51:58 | Nico_P | best is to test in a sim with logf enabled |
| 12:52:11 | pondlife | Looks ok in there |
| 12:53:58 | Nico_P | If you want to commit it I'm in favor |
| 12:54:09 | pondlife | Yes, will do |
| 12:54:20 | Nico_P | I just don't have much time to test right now... I'm quite busy with a J2EE project |
| 12:54:26 | amiconn | [12:30:54] <pondlife> If you have a build environment, you can build ANY past version of Rockbox <== not entirely true |
| 12:54:27 | pondlife | No worries |
| 12:54:39 | pondlife | amiconn: No, but within reason |
| 12:54:47 | Nico_P | amiconn: because some don't compile? |
| 12:54:47 | pondlife | Hence my poor joke about r1 |
| 12:55:07 | amiconn | For older versions, the build environment needs different gcc version(s) |
| 12:55:52 | amiconn | We went through at least 4 versions for SH1 (iirc) 3.0.x, 3.3.x (a long time), 3.4.x, and now 4.0.x |
| 12:56:12 | Bagder | amiconn: that quote says " If you have a build environment" ... |
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| 12:56:24 | Bagder | it doesnt' say what version |
| 12:56:42 | pondlife | I should have said "a suitable build environment"... |
| 12:57:37 | TheBashar | Nico_P: Just to make sure I'm getting it. Right now it shows alloc X/Y & usefl Z/Y. In reality, a slightly more accurate would be alloc X/Y & usefl Z/X? |
| 12:58:18 | Nico_P | TheBashar: no, all values are relative to the size of the main buffer |
| 12:58:44 | Nico_P | so you'll always have alloc >= real >= usefl |
| 12:59:35 | Nico_P | alloc X/Y & usefl Z/Y is correct |
| 12:59:46 | TheBashar | Okay. So the usefl cannot exceed the allocated. |
| 12:59:53 | Nico_P | yes |
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| 13:00:17 | TheBashar | Seems like only usefl and data_rem go negative. If allocated went negative I'd be scared. |
| 13:01:18 | Nico_P | my guess is that it's an artifact of the way the values are updated. I doubt it's a sign of a big bug |
| 13:01:27 | gevaerts | Looks like I won't be able to run the signal tests today. The people who know how to set up the environment are not there today |
| 13:07:58 | JdGordon | do we have a "repeat one track" option? |
| 13:08:17 | amiconn | For ages.... |
| 13:08:43 | JdGordon | how does it work? buffering keeps reloading the one track? or its smart enough to not? |
| 13:10:32 | amiconn | It keeps buffering the single track (but multiple copies if there is room, so no spinup at each track boundary) |
| 13:10:55 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 13:10:58 | JdGordon | lame, but I should have expected that... ok |
| 13:12:37 | amiconn | Well, it's not as lame as it might look. It's the same problem as if the whole playlist fits into the buffer and you have 'repeat all' enabled |
| 13:12:53 | JdGordon | yeah, I just realised |
| 13:13:05 | * | JdGordon forgets sometimes we have 2mb ram targets |
| 13:13:22 | amiconn | Wel,, even on 64MB targets a single track can exceed that |
| 13:13:30 | * | amiconn has several such tracks |
| 13:13:47 | amiconn | And no, those are *not* full albums |
| 13:14:09 | JdGordon | oh the wonders of lossless! |
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| 13:19:25 | pondlife | oh the wonders of prog rock :) |
| 13:19:53 | JdGordon | haha yeah |
| 13:20:14 | JdGordon | prog rock and lossless is why we ween terabyte storage... |
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| 13:21:46 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Does the usb serial driver work at the same time as the UMS, or should you only enable one with the #defines ? |
| 13:22:31 | pondlife | Does logf-USB-serial work in real-time? Or do you need to do a post-event dump? |
| 13:22:38 | gevaerts | linuxstb: they both work at the same time. You can actually debug UMS over it |
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| 13:23:12 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Nice :) |
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| 13:24:02 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Does the problem you've mentioned of it stopping after a while apply to both high and full speed? |
| 13:25:14 | gevaerts | I've only seen it at high speed. But since you seem to have much less signalling problems, maybe even that works for you |
| 13:25:33 | gevaerts | pondlife: it's real-time |
| 13:26:38 | linuxstb | OK, I'll give it a go sometime. After I've done the "modproble" on Linux, what do I need to do to view the output? Can I just "cat" from /dev/ttyUSB* ? (I haven't used serial devices for years....) |
| 13:27:16 | pondlife | gevaerts: Useful... any chance of that getting onto H300? |
| 13:27:17 | gevaerts | linuxstb: I use "cu -l /dev/ttyUSB0", I think cat should work, but I'm not sure. |
| 13:27:39 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Maybe add that to the wiki page? |
| 13:27:48 | gevaerts | I'll do that |
| 13:28:24 | gevaerts | pondlife: does the H300 have a "real" usb device controller ? |
| 13:29:19 | roolku | JdGordon: thanks that looks very useful! |
| 13:29:37 | * | JdGordon shamelessly ripped it and takes no credit for it |
| 13:30:09 | gevaerts | You can also easily extend it to accept commands. Just look for the "TODO : Do something with it" comment in usb_serial.c and add your stuff. Note that data probably will come in one character at a time if you use it from a terminal emulator on the other side, so single-character commands are easiets |
| 13:30:31 | pondlife | gevaerts: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH3XXHardwareComponents says it's an ISP1362 |
| 13:30:37 | amiconn | gevaerts: H300 is kind of a hybrid. It has a highspeed hardware usb-ata bridge, and an usb-otg controller (fullspeed only) |
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| 13:31:03 | amiconn | Rockbox does not yet support the otg controller, although it even has full docs... |
| 13:31:17 | amiconn | petur: Any news on wasabi? |
| 13:31:19 | gevaerts | So it should be possible if someone spends the time |
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| 13:32:28 | linuxstb | Does the Sansa firmware support connecting to other USB devices - e.g. digital cameras? |
| 13:33:48 | amiconn | Afaik, the US version of the H300 doesn't support otg mode, but uses the otg controller in device mode for mtp (+drm) support |
| 13:34:38 | gevaerts | linuxstb: not as far as I know. But I have used the OF for at most 15 minutes, so... |
| 13:36:20 | gevaerts | amiconn: I guess tha's a firmware limitation ? |
| 13:36:56 | amiconn | No, it's a hardware limitation |
| 13:37:03 | pixelma | I think I read that there is a connection missing... |
| 13:37:08 | amiconn | The US H300 doesn't have Vbus wired |
| 13:37:45 | * | JdGordon didnt have much luck with otg when I added that wire hack |
| 13:38:45 | * | gevaerts still needs to find a way to crash linux using rockbox usb. So far the score is only mac osx and vista |
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| 13:44:13 | Nico_P | could it be possible to use gdb on code that is running on a target? |
| 13:44:52 | linuxstb | IIRC, that was working with usb serial on the iFP... |
| 13:46:09 | * | gevaerts renamed those files yesterday |
| 13:46:29 | LinusN | linuxstb: no, with rs232 |
| 13:46:50 | amiconn | LinusN: Both |
| 13:47:04 | Nico_P | what about with the USB stack ? |
| 13:47:04 | LinusN | and it was on the Archos, not iFP |
| 13:47:05 | amiconn | True rs232 on archos player+recorders, usb-serial on iFP |
| 13:47:22 | LinusN | ah, ignore me |
| 13:48:24 | * | LinusN makes a note to self: iFP != iHP |
| 13:49:28 | gevaerts | The ISP1362 seems to use a OHCI variant for host side, so if I get that to work on gigabeat f, H300 should be easy. Device side looks different though |
| 13:49:39 | petur | amiconn: I haven't looked at the isp1362 since last summer |
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| 13:52:17 | amiconn | gevaerts: Device side is not that interesting. Host support is, however, because the OF supports it (on non-US models) |
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| 13:53:15 | Nico_P | so will remote GDB be possible with the USB stack? |
| 13:53:27 | petur | gevaerts: if you have usb-host code, I could have a look at getting it to work on the h300 (time permitting) |
| 13:54:21 | gevaerts | Nico_P: I don't know what gdb expects exaclty. The USB stack currently uses a running thread and interrupts. If that's allowed it should be possible |
| 13:54:34 | Nico_P | would be nice |
| 13:55:56 | gevaerts | petur: I'll do my best |
| 13:57:15 | Nico_P | gevaerts: how do I disable UMS to use only the logf over serial? |
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| 13:58:49 | gevaerts | Nico_P: comment out USB_STORAGE in usb_core.h, or press (whatever the button is on your platform) to use "charging-only" (see also http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb) |
| 13:59:11 | gevaerts | Nico_P: als make sure that USB_SERIAL is enabled in usb_core.h |
| 13:59:57 | Nico_P | hmm I don't know what the charging mode key is for the video |
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| 14:00:20 | gevaerts | I think it's menu |
| 14:00:25 | linuxstb | yes |
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| 14:00:33 | Nico_P | ok, thanks :) |
| 14:01:55 | gevaerts | amiconn: host is certainly interesting. Whether device is interesting depends on what other device classes we implement. I think that if it's not too hard this logf support might make it worthwile |
| 14:03:21 | Nico_P | gevaerts: this is awesome :) |
| 14:03:27 | * | gevaerts thinks the libgphoto2 digicam control features might be interesting |
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| 14:03:47 | gevaerts | Nico_P: so it works ? |
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| 14:03:54 | Nico_P | yep |
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| 14:04:24 | Nico_P | how do I end things? |
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| 14:04:47 | Nico_P | can I just disconnect the ipod? |
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| 14:05:31 | Nico_P | seems like it |
| 14:05:40 | * | Nico_P leaves for school |
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| 14:23:27 | * | Zagor plays with menu icons on the web page: http://www.rockbox.org/index2.shtml |
| 14:23:45 | GodEater | pretty |
| 14:24:10 | * | linuxstb wonders what all those links are underneath the menu |
| 14:24:14 | pondlife | Ads |
| 14:24:16 | petur | is that add space (bottom-left)? |
| 14:24:25 | Zagor | ah, thats a test for text link ads |
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| 14:24:48 | krazykit | that's barely noticable at all |
| 14:25:01 | linuxstb | Move it a bit further down, and it will be perfect ;) |
| 14:25:04 | pondlife | Indeed, not even a white backgroun |
| 14:25:05 | pondlife | d |
| 14:25:19 | ffm | what's rockbox written in? |
| 14:25:28 | linuxstb | 99% C, a little assembler |
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| 14:25:41 | * | petur wonders what company wants to give money for ads that will be barely noticable |
| 14:26:12 | ffm | linuxstb: are you running http://projectdb.olpc.at ? |
| 14:26:17 | pondlife | Zagor: There's no highlight on the menu any more |
| 14:26:25 | pondlife | I mean, if I tab through the links. |
| 14:26:39 | * | ffm thought he heard a rumor that you did. |
| 14:26:47 | linuxstb | ffm: I've no idea what that site is... |
| 14:26:52 | petur | Zagor: maybe change the Tracker links to Requests, Bugs, Patches - they are a bit too wide now |
| 14:27:07 | Zagor | petur: good idea |
| 14:27:17 | Zagor | pondlife: hmm, was there ever? |
| 14:27:22 | pondlife | Yes |
| 14:27:28 | pondlife | Try the current one |
| 14:27:31 | n1s | is auto dir change supposed to work in the sim? |
| 14:27:31 | ffm | linuxstb: ok, sorry I misunderstood what scorche was saying. |
| 14:27:42 | ffm | linuxstb: you work on the iPod port no? |
| 14:27:46 | linuxstb | Zagor: Maybe some kind of "help" icon for the manual, rather than PDF (as it's available in both html and PDF) |
| 14:28:10 | linuxstb | ffm: I started the ipod port, but wouldn't say I work on it much any more |
| 14:28:24 | GodEater | pondlife: are you coming along on Thursday night ? |
| 14:28:27 | Zagor | linuxstb: like this? |
| 14:28:32 | pondlife | Hopefully |
| 14:28:35 | pondlife | Where/whien? |
| 14:28:47 | GodEater | same venue as before I think |
| 14:28:53 | GodEater | linuxstb: what time ? |
| 14:29:01 | ffm | linuxstb: know anyone who is active on it? |
| 14:29:13 | petur | pondlife: I don't see highlights in ff in the current homepage |
| 14:29:18 | GodEater | ffm: if you have a question, it's best just to ask it |
| 14:29:29 | Zagor | nah, I prefer the acrobat icon |
| 14:29:31 | linuxstb | GodEater: I could make any time after about 6pm-6.30pm I guess. |
| 14:29:42 | GodEater | same for me |
| 14:29:46 | GodEater | pondlife ? |
| 14:29:55 | pondlife | petur: In IE7, I get a barely-legible dashed box around the link |
| 14:30:04 | pondlife | GodEater: Probably 7pm-8pm |
| 14:30:14 | pondlife | I'll aim for 7pm |
| 14:30:16 | GodEater | cool - see you there then |
| 14:30:27 | ffm | Beta2K: darn (/me is talking about last night at 20:22 EST) |
| 14:30:29 | * | pondlife has to reboot |
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| 14:30:55 | Beta2K | :) |
| 14:30:55 | ffm | GodEater: I was asking how I could get involved in the iPod port to the new gen iPods. |
| 14:30:58 | Zagor | nobody spotted the "current build" icon yet? :-) |
| 14:31:23 | linuxstb | ffm: Just check the SVN logs for who has contributed ipod-specific code recently - but Rockbox is Rockbox, so everyone working on it helps the individual ports... |
| 14:31:33 | krazykit | hah, it's a bomb |
| 14:31:34 | GodEater | ffm: I don't think anyone's working on a port to those models at the moment. So getting "involved" would mean "getting started on the port on your own".... |
| 14:31:48 | GodEater | and then coming here for help |
| 14:31:49 | Beta2K | There's about 70mb of 00 that I was looking through just to see if it was more then padding but I didn't see anything there either |
| 14:31:55 | linuxstb | ffm: New ipods are completely different to the old ones, so people working with current ipods are no more likely to be interested than anyone else. |
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| 14:32:35 | ffm | Beta2K: darn. |
| 14:32:58 | * | ffm has a nano that is useless to him if it can't run FOSS. |
| 14:33:51 | linuxstb | Zagor: I liked that ? icon you had... IMO it's more important to describe the content of the link, than the format... |
| 14:34:11 | gevaerts | Should the USB stack keep the "usb benchmark" driver ? I'm not sure if it still works, and I think it's likely to suffer from bit rot fairly soon, since it has no "real" uses, so maybe it's best to remove it |
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| 14:34:24 | Beta2K | ffm, if your adventurous try and figure out how Apple encrypted the firmware on the new ipods |
| 14:34:46 | Zagor | linuxstb: I agree, but the question mark is too ambious I think. it's the universal signal of confusion, rather than "click here to get the manual" |
| 14:35:36 | linuxstb | I think of it as the the universal signal of a source of help... But I can live with a PDF icon. |
| 14:35:46 | Zagor | this is the icon set: http://www.famfamfam.com/lab/icons/silk/ |
| 14:35:52 | n1s | gevaerts: since benchmarks using UMS would be more useful anyway I think so too |
| 14:36:29 | ffm | Beta2K: I'll just call them up and ask nicely! |
| 14:36:38 | * | ffm is naive. |
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| 14:40:01 | gevaerts | n1s: OK. If no one objects before somewhere this evening, i'll go. |
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| 14:48:02 | gevaerts | barrywardell_: it seems to still work in winXP without those stalls |
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| 14:52:39 | linuxstb | ffm: Seems someone did that (on the Apple forums) - no reply from Apple yet ;) http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6739782 |
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| 15:00:08 | amiconn | Hmmm, iconitis :\ |
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| 15:08:57 | amiconn | Zagor: The icons are all broken when opening http://build.rockbox.org/ |
| 15:09:30 | Zagor | ah, of course. fixing. |
| 15:10:13 | Zagor | done |
| 15:10:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | Thanks, Zagor! |
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| 15:13:29 | linuxstb | Is www.rockbox.org dead? |
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| 15:13:48 | petur | not reachable here |
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| 15:14:21 | petur | killed by the icons :) |
| 15:14:25 | gevaerts | It seems that windows doesn't like it if a device has different interfaces on different connections (it just keeps using the first one it sees). Any objections to extending the serial number by one digit to indicate the actaul configuration used ? |
| 15:15:03 | moos | linuxstb, petur: working here with the new icons |
| 15:15:17 | * | gevaerts can't reach the website from work, but can from home |
| 15:15:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | petur: I reached it here. |
| 15:15:43 | * | linuxstb still can't reach it |
| 15:16:08 | * | LambdaCalculus37 is downloading a current build for his c240 as we speak |
| 15:16:34 | * | gevaerts accuses LambdaCalculus37 of overloading the server |
| 15:16:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: Yes, I am a naughty person. :) |
| 15:17:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: www.rockbox.org isn't dead. It's just pining for the fjords. :P |
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| 15:20:49 | gevaerts | traceroute from home : http://pastebin.ca/926012, traceroute from work http://pastebin.ca/926014 (omitting the first few hops) |
| 15:21:12 | Beta2K | rockbox.org works here |
| 15:21:53 | * | gevaerts accuses dcs.net now |
| 15:22:04 | petur | gevaerts: your non-working trace stops at the same net as mine here... |
| 15:23:46 | gevaerts | Seems that it's fixed now |
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| 15:26:21 | * | amiconn wonders why www.rockbox.org does suffer from routing problems that often |
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| 15:38:44 | amiconn | petur: around? |
| 15:38:51 | petur | yes |
| 15:40:31 | amiconn | Did you try to track down which part of the soft reset fails, i.e. whether it's the wait_for_bsy or the wait_for_rdy, and in what way it fails? |
| 15:40:57 | amiconn | I think our perform_soft_reset isn't 100% correct compared to the ata standard |
| 15:41:30 | petur | I think it was wait_for_bsy() that failed |
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| 15:45:52 | petur | amiconn: I'm just not sure it the failing wait_for_bsy() was during soft_reset or when doing something after that |
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| 15:51:05 | amiconn | Would be an interesting detail. Also, in what way it fails. I expect the wait_for_rdy() to fail |
| 15:51:05 | pixelma | n1s: you asked earlier about auto-change dir in the sim - works for me |
| 15:51:39 | n1s | pixelma: i must have done something wrong then, thanks :) |
| 15:52:32 | petur | amiconn: I'd have to check that tonight. I'm fairly sure I saw wait_for_bsy() return a timeout |
| 15:53:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: Here? |
| 15:53:49 | petur | pondlife went out for a reboot and never came back |
| 15:54:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | =/ |
| 15:55:31 | amiconn | petur: Register values? |
| 15:55:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | I blame my cable company for messing up our service this weekend, but I wanted to tell him that the recent fixes to squash FS #8455 and FS #8513 work. My albums are all now playing properly. |
| 15:56:21 | petur | amiconn: I'm at work now, I'll check tonight. I have a really bad memory if I didn't already tell you ;) |
| 15:57:28 | petur | amiconn: what register values do you want? status, error, ext error? |
| 15:58:15 | pixelma | n1s: perhaps you have "repeat all" enabled? Seems this is the default (at least it was set when I used an m:robe100 sim to listen music the first time) and it prevents auto-change dir |
| 15:58:24 | amiconn | Status and error for now |
| 15:58:36 | n1s | pixelma: aha, yes that was it |
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| 16:00:14 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: same here, only the last 2 seconds in a playlist don't play (someone asked about it in the forum too) |
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| 16:03:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: It's not so bad when a final song fades out or stops before the last 2 seconds, but it can be a bit annoying sometimes. |
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| 16:06:10 | amiconn | So playback forcibly stops when the codec is done, but pcm data is still in the pcm buffer |
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| 16:07:16 | pondlife | amiconn: Is that the problem here? |
| 16:07:36 | frieddukie | hey |
| 16:07:47 | pondlife | I don't think I've changed anything that would interfere with the codec <-> PCM interface. |
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| 16:08:49 | frieddukie | ive got a question about rockbox |
| 16:09:09 | pondlife | LambdaCalculus37: Was it r16469 that caused the last 2 seconds not to be played? |
| 16:09:19 | pondlife | I've not had time to try a binary chop yet |
| 16:09:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: It started at r16469, yes. |
| 16:09:51 | pondlife | LambdaCalculus37: Sorry, typo. I meant r16459 - so did you, I assume? |
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| 16:10:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: Actually, yes. :) |
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| 16:10:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | But my albums do work correctly now. |
| 16:11:00 | frieddukie | hello? |
| 16:11:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | frieddukie: Ask your question already. |
| 16:11:33 | frieddukie | when you go to install rockbox is there any data loss? |
| 16:12:10 | frieddukie | do you lose any of your music that was previosuly on there i mean? |
| 16:12:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | No, you don't. But it depends on what device you're installing to. |
| 16:12:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | For example, are you installing on an iPod? |
| 16:12:35 | frieddukie | ipod 5th gen. |
| 16:12:39 | frieddukie | yes |
| 16:12:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | And you used iTunes, I assume? |
| 16:12:48 | frieddukie | yes |
| 16:13:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | Your music, provided it isn't anything purchased from iTunes, will work then. |
| 16:13:17 | frieddukie | ahh ok good. |
| 16:13:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | When you install Rockbox, use the Database function. |
| 16:13:27 | frieddukie | 10x |
| 16:13:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | frieddukie: *ahem* What's the proper English word you meant to say? |
| 16:13:57 | frieddukie | thanks |
| 16:14:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | frieddukie: Thank you. Please remember that the IRC guidelines say to use standard English. |
| 16:14:54 | frieddukie | got it. |
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| 16:15:12 | pixelma | pondlife: haven't tested for this 2 seconds bug in earlier revisions. Don't know if you still saw on friday but I tested the skipping of the last track with auto-change dir enabled and the bug already appeared in the revision right before your fix. |
| 16:15:23 | * | amiconn wonders how strict that rule is meant to be used |
| 16:15:49 | amiconn | I mean, there are standard irc acronyms, like lol, rofl, etc |
| 16:15:52 | pondlife | pixelma: So the auto-change dir bug is older than r16459 ? |
| 16:16:07 | pixelma | I think so |
| 16:16:12 | * | gevaerts hopes the ones on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcTalk are allowed |
| 16:16:21 | pondlife | pixelma: ..but possibly covered up (or confused) by other bugs..? |
| 16:16:26 | pondlife | Until now, I mean |
| 16:16:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: We use most of them already. :) |
| 16:17:20 | * | LambdaCalculus37 smacks forehead when he reads "10x" is on that list |
| 16:17:21 | pixelma | pondlife: well, it happened before... but I usually have auto-change dir disabled so can't tell for sure |
| 16:17:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | D'OH..... I'll get my coat.... |
| 16:18:06 | * | LambdaCalculus37 gets coat |
| 16:18:45 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: it's a wiki. Remove it quickly before anyone notices ! |
| 16:19:10 | petur | "While many of these may be against the main channel's guidelines, this can help to decipher the speech of some of those who haven't read them yet." |
| 16:19:11 | pondlife | It's a wiki, historical versions are kept! |
| 16:19:25 | pixelma | pondlife: I mean that I didn't notice when it started... :) |
| 16:21:41 | gevaerts | petur: so some of them are allowed ? |
| 16:22:05 | petur | afaik, yes ;) |
| 16:22:16 | pondlife | lol |
| 16:23:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | We all do \o/, so we can get away with a few. :) |
| 16:24:18 | gevaerts | IMHO \o/ should count as a smilie, not an abbreviation |
| 16:24:50 | petur | the o is too small to see if he smailes or not |
| 16:24:55 | petur | *smiles |
| 16:27:31 | gevaerts | How about single characters like ☺ ? |
| 16:27:47 | pixelma | a smiley doesn't alway smile... |
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| 16:33:02 | Horscht | *read |
| 16:33:50 | Horscht | ooh, icons on the front page :D |
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| 16:38:04 | * | pondlife prefers some aspects of the old site menu. (a) the focus working on the links (b) the slightly greater vertical spacing. Also, the icons are a tiny bit too high relative to the underlined text IMHO |
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| 16:38:54 | pondlife | If the vertical spacing were increased back to the old style, the icon positioning wouldn't be quite so obvious |
| 16:39:21 | name | hi! i'm going to europe with out a laptop and i'd like to transfer files from my camera's microsd card to my sansa e270 via it's card slot to make room for more camera pciture/videos. can this bedone with rockbox? |
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| 16:39:56 | amiconn | Vertical spacing looks exactly the same here (recent.shtml still has the old menu w/o icons |
| 16:39:59 | * | linuxstb wonders if "releases" should be renamed to "old releases" (for now and the foreseeable future) |
| 16:40:06 | gevaerts | name: I think it should be possible |
| 16:40:32 | amiconn | But the old menu was right aligned, which looks better than the iconized version imho |
| 16:40:37 | pondlife | That too |
| 16:40:44 | name | gev: me to. but i went through the menus and didnt and any soft of utility to do this |
| 16:41:07 | name | i also searched the wiki |
| 16:41:33 | linuxstb | name: There are "cut and paste" options in the file browser's context menu |
| 16:41:56 | pixelma | name: search for the "File menu" in the manual (still called this way) |
| 16:44:51 | pondlife | If I put my finger on the screen by the word "requests", then click on "forums" I can see that the old menu was slightly more spaced out. |
| 16:44:53 | name | pixel: trying now.... (was unaware of the press and hokld function on the sansa :) |
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| 16:46:41 | pondlife | I'd suggest we remove "releases" from the menu (for now at least). |
| 16:46:44 | linuxstb | pondlife: I think it's just that the forums version of the menu was always slightly different. As amiconn said, compare with recent.shtml - that's identical to the new menu (at least in Firefox) |
| 16:46:57 | linuxstb | pondlife: Yes, or that... |
| 16:47:32 | linuxstb | In which case, maybe just rename " current builds" to "rockbox" ? |
| 16:48:00 | petur | pondlife: I fired up ie7 and both the old and the new page show the focus boxes, so I don't understand what you're missing |
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| 17:02:21 | SSnake | hi everyone |
| 17:02:44 | markun | hi |
| 17:02:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ssnake: Hi! |
| 17:03:03 | SSnake | good news :> |
| 17:03:29 | SSnake | i've optimized sreen resizing algo in my game and also memory usage |
| 17:03:45 | SSnake | expect a release soon :> |
| 17:04:21 | SSnake | but 'd need an info just to be sure... |
| 17:04:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | SSnake: When it's ready to go, post on Flyspray and tell us the ticket number. |
| 17:04:30 | SSnake | i'm redefining some printf |
| 17:04:42 | SSnake | yeah lambda :> |
| 17:06:06 | SSnake | i've peek at some source code (include files) and i've noticed sometimes functions like printf are redefined with ATTRIBUTE_PRINTF(1, 2) |
| 17:06:34 | SSnake | it seems obviousle a preproccessor directive |
| 17:06:43 | SSnake | something like IRAM etc |
| 17:06:56 | SSnake | can explain exactly why it's used ? do i need to ? |
| 17:06:58 | amiconn | That's actually a hint for gcc, enabling it to check arguments |
| 17:07:10 | amiconn | See gcc manual |
| 17:07:46 | SSnake | thanks (uao the gcc manual is really huge) |
| 17:07:57 | SSnake | about the numbers? |
| 17:08:09 | SSnake | (just to avoid me spenting time to search in the huge manual) |
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| 17:28:31 | pondlife | LambdaCalculus37: r16458 suffers from the slop-2-secs-before-end problem too... |
| 17:29:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hmmm... |
| 17:29:25 | pondlife | I'll go back some more... |
| 17:29:37 | pondlife | Maybe we never managed to get to the end before :) |
| 17:29:53 | pondlife | s/slop/stop by the way |
| 17:30:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: Okay. |
| 17:30:34 | plb | man...can't wait for d2 support |
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| 17:36:53 | pondlife | LambdaCalculus37: Looks like http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/playback.c?r1=16430&r2=16445 caused the end of track not to play. |
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| 17:38:58 | SSnake | nothing about debug functions on wiki.... |
| 17:39:04 | SSnake | 0_0 |
| 17:39:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: I think that's what we were looking for. |
| 17:39:35 | SSnake | someone could explain me? |
| 17:40:19 | SSnake | is DEBUGF used only when i set sim build on configure script? |
| 17:40:31 | SSnake | where it's outputted? |
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| 17:41:27 | pondlife | SSnake: When you set a Debug build, IIRC |
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| 17:42:41 | pondlife | If a fix for bug A causes another (IMHO worse) bug B, is it ok to revert it and wait for a better fix for A to come along? |
| 17:48:34 | gevaerts | pondlife: I'd say it depends on details, like is the fix for A just a "fix", or is it more than that (i.e. does it introduce new infrastructure that's better/cleaner but incomplete) ? |
| 17:49:11 | pondlife | There aren't many details; see r16445. |
| 17:49:37 | pondlife | I'm thinking that this fix is in the wrong place |
| 17:49:52 | pondlife | But I don't know much about bookmarks so I can't be sure |
| 17:50:01 | pondlife | I can say that it breaks continuous playback a little,. |
| 17:50:45 | pondlife | So I'm probably going to revert it for now. |
| 17:51:20 | gevaerts | I guess this one really depends on which bug is "worse". Can't say I have an opinion on that |
| 17:51:55 | pondlife | It's not which is "worse", more if the fix was correct. |
| 17:52:39 | pondlife | The original bug may have been fixed by later changes anyway, but I may not be using bookmarks in the way that showed it up. |
| 17:52:57 | pondlife | Guess I'll hold fire and chat with Lear. |
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| 17:54:21 | * | gevaerts has never used bookmarks and listens mainly to radio shows where the last few minutes can be skipped anyway |
| 17:55:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: Best to get a second opinion. |
| 17:56:07 | pondlife | I'll wait for Lear |
| 17:56:35 | pondlife | The information and patch is on FS #8675 |
| 17:56:49 | pondlife | Got to go now anyway |
| 17:56:53 | desowin | groan, why flyspay doesn't allow me to edit my comment :/ I typed "internet" instead of "internal" |
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| 18:44:05 | gevaerts | desowin: rasher told me that removing the udelay caused problems on his e200 |
| 18:44:31 | desowin | ah |
| 18:45:16 | rasher | I did? |
| 18:45:18 | desowin | what kind of problems, so I could try to do those on mine? |
| 18:45:41 | gevaerts | rasher: I might remember wrong of course. I'm searching the logs now |
| 18:46:01 | gevaerts | It was barrywardell. |
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| 18:51:58 | desowin | "5) Removing udelay(2) from ata-c200_e200.c makes Windows not show the e200's drive at all" - only this or anything more? |
| 18:52:26 | Ctcp | Version from freenode-connect!freenode@freenode/bot/connect |
| 18:52:27 | rasher | Maybe it's worth retrying if things have changed since? |
| 18:52:41 | gevaerts | That was it. Of course, since he got banned for saying that, maybe he didn't dare to elaborate |
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| 18:53:39 | gevaerts | Maybe you could try again, and just try to copy a file within rockbox. This isn't entirely usb related after all |
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| 19:01:25 | * | gevaerts hopes his latest commit doesn't stop this series of 10 "perfect" commits without build problems |
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| 19:06:15 | desowin | interesting copying files inside of internal memory resulted in some 'extra mess' in fat table, it shows up some weird files now which cause linux to remount as readonly and rockbox crashes if I enter that directory |
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| 19:06:39 | gevaerts | So it seems to be needed after all. |
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| 19:13:49 | * | amiconn wonders why the savings from removing usb benchmark are that small |
| 19:14:32 | amiconn | Ah,, wasn't linked at all by default |
| 19:14:36 | gevaerts | amiconn: it was almost entirely #ifdefed |
| 19:14:46 | amiconn | Just the descriptor (which wasn't properly ifdefed) |
| 19:16:44 | * | amiconn dislikes those icons in the site menu :\ |
| 19:17:18 | gevaerts | I've been thinking about USB host support. I guess the two most wanted features are UMS and PTP. PTP is self-contained, but UMS will require the disk subsystem to be a ot more dynamic, i.e. all usb-host capable devices will be multi-volume. |
| 19:17:20 | petur | then stay in the forum :p |
| 19:17:41 | amiconn | No, at the 'recent' page. That one still has the icon-free menu |
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| 19:18:14 | * | amiconn googles for ptp |
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| 19:18:45 | * | gevaerts actually also wants canon digicam remote control |
| 19:18:58 | * | petur thinks about keyboard :) |
| 19:19:08 | Llorean | When did the site get icons? And... kinda why? |
| 19:19:36 | amiconn | Llorean: Today, and I think Zagor added them just for fun |
| 19:19:57 | Llorean | Are they just there to bring some continuity between the site and the Rockbox menu, because I don't think they really add anything. In my personal opinion, they kinda make the site just a bit noisier on first view. |
| 19:20:46 | amiconn | Well, for me they make the menu slower to operate, as they don't really stand for themselves, and now you have to skip them visually in order to read the menu items |
| 19:21:02 | Llorean | gevaerts: I think most people would even be happy with just UMS, actually. But I'm not going to argue against PTP. ;) |
| 19:21:09 | * | petur doesn't care |
| 19:21:18 | * | LambdaCalculus37 doesn't care either |
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| 19:21:33 | amiconn | The old menu looked cleaner and hence was faster to operate (and to load, for people with slow connections) |
| 19:21:45 | gevaerts | Llorean: my point basically was that it requires more than "just" some drivers. |
| 19:21:46 | Llorean | amiconn: Some of them are visual shortcuts (bugs, IRC, manual), others aren't. I do agree the old menu was cleaner to me. |
| 19:22:06 | scorche|sh | i...i...icons? |
| 19:22:21 | Llorean | gevaerts: Gotcha. Though we already have a couple multivolume targets, does that at least provide a decent starting place? |
| 19:23:12 | * | Llorean will give the icons 48 hours for people to debate, then add them to the forums too. |
| 19:23:15 | amiconn | Multivolume should be able to handle UMS host. It needs some extra work, e.g. allowing volumes to use different drivers, but all that should be doable |
| 19:23:25 | gevaerts | It's a start, but it will need more. At least on sansa the two drives still use the same drivers |
| 19:24:03 | amiconn | The biggest con, at least for some users, is that multivolume means disabling dircache, unless that gets fixed of course |
| 19:24:34 | Llorean | Can't we just make dircache ignore the "external" volume? |
| 19:25:06 | * | gevaerts goes to have dinner now |
| 19:25:09 | amiconn | Perhaps, but certainly not 'just' |
| 19:25:12 | Llorean | You have the virtual folder. Dircache can display it, but never cache the contents. Since dircache is to primarily avoid battery based spins anyway, and your external device is most likely either flash, battery powered, or wall powered. |
| 19:25:42 | Llorean | Sorry, not "just" |
| 19:26:08 | Llorean | Sorry, independent battery powered, rather. |
| 19:26:24 | Llorean | It just seems like dircache shouldn't apply to other volumes in the first place. |
| 19:26:30 | amiconn | Dircache operates at a rather fundamental level in the rockbox filesystem drivers. I have no idea how easy or complex it would be to make it operate selectively |
| 19:27:18 | Llorean | Ah |
| 19:27:48 | amiconn | Actually I think dircache would make very much sense for external storage, as driving that might be slow. I see dircache mostly as a browsing accelerator, not as a way to save battery |
| 19:27:50 | petur | Llorean: it may well be drawing current from the host over USB, but there is nothing we can do to stop that |
| 19:27:52 | Llorean | Well, I don't imagine it was built with the expectation for selective operation anyway |
| 19:28:10 | amiconn | If you don't browse excessively, disabling dircache will probably be better for battery runtime |
| 19:28:18 | Llorean | petur: It may be, but I think in most cases that'll be flash. I doubt our devices have current for a full 2.5" HD? |
| 19:28:29 | amiconn | ...because you save the longish disk access for dircache init |
| 19:29:08 | amiconn | Afaik usb otg only provides ~10mA in host mode, so the device needs to be self powered |
| 19:29:19 | petur | 10? |
| 19:29:31 | Llorean | People have reported thumb drives working on the H300 OF, at least. Or so I've heard. |
| 19:29:36 | * | petur thought 100 |
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| 19:29:56 | * | amiconn fires up isp1362 datasheet in adobe reader |
| 19:32:46 | * | petur advises foxit, it is faster ;) |
| 19:32:54 | amiconn | The internal charge pump for providing Vus can deliver a maximum of 20mA (depends on capacity) |
| 19:33:08 | petur | oh |
| 19:33:15 | amiconn | Still faster than adobe reader? |
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| 19:33:27 | petur | less bloat for sure |
| 19:33:30 | amiconn | Adobe reader is fast, as long as you avoid V6.x |
| 19:33:52 | petur | and later? |
| 19:33:58 | amiconn | 7.x and 8.x are fast |
| 19:34:14 | bluebrother | 7 was slow too. Not as bad as 6 though. 8 is ok |
| 19:34:20 | petur | whatever, I gave up on them |
| 19:34:39 | * | bluebrother especially likes that they stopped this MDI nonsense with 8 |
| 19:34:57 | * | amiconn would actually prefer mdi |
| 19:35:35 | bluebrother | that wasn't even real mdi which made it absolutely annoying. |
| 19:36:05 | petur | tabbed you mean |
| 19:36:18 | bluebrother | nah, taskbarred. |
| 19:36:39 | bluebrother | tabs would be ok :) |
| 19:36:52 | petur | yes, that's what I wanted to say |
| 19:37:48 | amiconn | petur: Check the datasheet pages 131 and 133 |
| 19:38:20 | amiconn | Now I don't know whether the H300 has an external Vbus supply |
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| 19:39:30 | amiconn | gevaerts: Btw, that could be a problem with host support on pp targets. The hardware must be capable of supplying Vbus, otherwise it won't be possible (same problem as the US H300s) |
| 19:40:17 | Llorean | amiconn: Well, maybe 20 is enough for some flash drives? |
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| 19:41:09 | petur | H300 has an external chargepump |
| 19:41:40 | petur | could this be this TPS61029? |
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| 19:43:14 | amiconn | Wow, 1.8A... |
| 19:43:19 | petur | *TPS61020 |
| 19:44:46 | petur | 1.5A... still enough :) |
| 19:46:07 | petur | errr... wrong... Iout(max) = 0.5A |
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| 19:51:56 | webguest45 | hi!! :) I have aquestion. I'm having a probem with rockbox. The other day i was listening to my ipod and turned it off. the next time i turned it on it woudln't load into rockbox it just stayed at the apple logo. |
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| 19:52:28 | webguest45 | I already uninstalled and installed rockbox on my ipod and it still doesn't work. |
| 19:53:01 | pixelma | what type of Ipod do you have? |
| 19:53:03 | desowin | gevaerts: sorry, my internet connection is driving me nuts |
| 19:53:32 | desowin | gevaerts: but I've did fsck, and I can't reproduce that problem with messed up vfat |
| 19:53:39 | webguest45 | i have the ipod video 30 gigs. 5th generation. |
| 19:54:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | webguest45: Did you use RBUtil or the manual method? |
| 19:54:14 | webguest45 | i've been using rockbox for over 2 years and i've never had this problem. |
| 19:54:45 | webguest45 | i tried pretty much every way i know and it doesn't help. |
| 19:56:43 | desowin | gevaerts: I haven't checked before first try (the one when I got that mess) for filesystem errors :/ |
| 19:57:41 | Bagder | where are the mrobe500 hackers these days? |
| 19:58:03 | * | Bagder wants some of that creative zvm work to get merged |
| 19:58:33 | amiconn | Afaik there are only 2 mrobe500 hackers |
| 19:59:21 | Bagder | I know 3... ;-) |
| 19:59:59 | Bagder | oh well, I guess I should get into it myself instead |
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| 20:00:23 | gevaerts | amiconn: I know. we'll have to find out which devices really can do host |
| 20:01:33 | webguest45 | does anyone know what i should do? |
| 20:01:57 | gevaerts | desowin: it might be a reliability issue. Maybe removing the udelay() merely increases the frequency of errors. After all you've had errors with the udelay. |
| 20:03:19 | pixelma | webguest45: you turned it off and later on again and it doesn't work anymore and you didn't do anything in between (like installing a new Rockbox version or so)? |
| 20:03:31 | Domonoky | webguest45: does the apple os work ? did you check the disk ? please provide more information.. |
| 20:04:32 | * | bluebrother wonders why rbutil now has m:robe support but the front page doesn't show it as supported target ... |
| 20:04:50 | desowin | gevaerts: I dunno whether to trust this sansa anymore, lol |
| 20:04:57 | Domonoky | :-) the zips and the bootloader are already there.. |
| 20:05:02 | pixelma | bluebrother: maybe one reason - no manual yet? |
| 20:05:14 | gevaerts | desowin: you mean you actually trust hardware ? |
| 20:05:30 | webguest45 | the apple os works fine. i didn't try to install a new rockbox version until after i had the problem. i uninstalled a nd reinstalled rockbox on my ipod many times and in different ways and nothing works. |
| 20:05:37 | desowin | gevaerts: haha |
| 20:05:39 | pixelma | bluebrother: just my own guess, I don't know the reasons |
| 20:05:42 | bluebrother | hmm ... how good is that port running anyway? |
| 20:06:24 | Llorean | bluebrother: I'm almost certain it's "not in the manual yet" as the last thing holding it back from "supported" |
| 20:06:33 | gevaerts | desowin: I have to admit that I don't really like this kind of bug either |
| 20:06:34 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/OlympusMR100Port#Known_Bugs |
| 20:06:41 | pixelma | I think it's quite ok already... *pinging roolku* |
| 20:06:44 | * | Llorean hasn't put in a forum section for it, and won't until he can say "Check out the manual" when people ask how to install. =P |
| 20:07:34 | bluebrother | ok. How much different is that player from the Ipods? Can we start a manual based on e.g. the mini? |
| 20:07:44 | gevaerts | Those MR100 bugs don't seem much more serious than the ones I see on sansa c200 |
| 20:07:53 | pixelma | Llorean: and then the "Oylmpus" will go away in the new ports section? ;) |
| 20:08:29 | pixelma | bluebrother: the installation instructions are the same as H10 I've heard |
| 20:09:15 | pixelma | (except there are no MTP models) |
| 20:09:22 | Domonoky | yep installing is the same as h10, we will need new screenshots for the mr100 manual, as its 160x128x1 (new combination) |
| 20:09:32 | Llorean | pixelma: Once it's on the front page, yes, I'll remove the thread, and put in an Olympus subforum for the m:robe 100 |
| 20:10:44 | webguest45 | is that enough info? |
| 20:11:01 | * | amiconn thinks the mrobe100 is comparable to the small h10 with a mono lcd (good) with negative display (bad) and red backlight (also bad) |
| 20:11:24 | amiconn | Also, it's completely touch controlled instead of the h10's touch strip |
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| 20:11:44 | * | gevaerts would think the mrobe100 would be ideal on a bicycle. Combined tail-light and DAP |
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| 20:12:05 | pixelma | the screenshots might be a bit "interesting" as in real it looks quite different from what Rockbox's screenshot function can provide (the sim gives a good impression already now) |
| 20:13:05 | bluebrother | fortunately we don't need the screenshots to be able building the manual ;-) |
| 20:13:18 | * | amiconn wonders what type of microdrive the mr100 uses, and whether it uses a CF or F-FLEX connector |
| 20:13:22 | pixelma | the mono screenshots are only prepared for Archos "colours" currently |
| 20:13:33 | pixelma | bluebrother: I know, just saying :) |
| 20:13:47 | bluebrother | :D |
| 20:16:13 | markun | amiconn: do you recognize the upper middle chip? http://img5.pcpop.com/ArticleImages/0x0/0/294/000294577.jpg |
| 20:16:21 | markun | flash memory? |
| 20:16:53 | amiconn | The K4M28163? |
| 20:16:58 | markun | yes |
| 20:17:31 | markun | but K4-N-28163PH, no? |
| 20:17:31 | amiconn | That's SDRAM (16MByte) |
| 20:17:38 | markun | thanks |
| 20:17:39 | amiconn | No, M |
| 20:18:11 | Domonoky | first hit on google for K4M28163PH is a datasheet for it :-) |
| 20:19:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: IIRC the m:robe 100 uses the same Microdrive as the H10, and quite possibly an F-FLEX connector as well. |
| 20:19:55 | amiconn | Domonoky: No much use in keeping sdram datasheets secret... |
| 20:20:35 | webguest45 | someone please help? :) |
| 20:21:30 | Domonoky | amiconn: sure, but to know what chip this is, the datasheet is good :-) |
| 20:22:31 | amiconn | I was about 95% sure this is sdram before googling for it. We have quite a number of K4M.... chips in our various targets |
| 20:23:12 | linuxstb | webguest45: When your ipod stopped working, and you said you uninstalled Rockbox and then reinstalled Rockbox, what exactly did you do? (i.e. what programs did you run, and did they give you any error messages?) |
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| 20:23:36 | Domonoky | webguest45: so apple os works, but when you install the rb bootloader with ipodpatcher there a no signs of the rb bootloader booting ? |
| 20:24:19 | markun | amiconn: we're finding out more and more about the Meizu M6 :) |
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| 20:24:54 | markun | I wonder if we ever will/need to use the CalmRisc16 + DSP |
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| 20:26:17 | Ethan304 | Ehh... |
| 20:26:37 | amiconn | The big chips at the left are nand flash |
| 20:27:11 | markun | amiconn: I thinks we identified all of the chips: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MeizuM6Port#Hardware |
| 20:27:37 | Ethan304 | Is there anyway I could get rockbox for the 5th gen Ipod, without having to download the compressed file? |
| 20:27:45 | Ethan304 | My computer won't uncompress it correctly. |
| 20:28:01 | Domonoky | Ethan304: use rbutil... |
| 20:28:15 | Domonoky | it will download and unzip it for you .-) |
| 20:28:24 | pixelma | Lear: seen today's log (starting at http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080303#17:36:53)? |
| 20:28:53 | Ethan304 | Will it work on Mac? |
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| 20:29:25 | Domonoky | Ethan304; yes there is a mac version of it (as well as linux and windows) :-) |
| 20:29:38 | myth_ | hello everyone |
| 20:29:41 | Ethan304 | Thank you very much. |
| 20:29:49 | Domonoky | Ethan304: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
| 20:30:30 | amiconn | markun: Does the pcb only have parts on one side? Also, you will need to find out the lcd controller type |
| 20:30:55 | webguest45 | yes i used the rockbox utility and i did it the manual way and i had no problems doing that but when i start my ipod it doesn't boot into rockbox it just stays at the apple logo. |
| 20:31:25 | amiconn | markun: I'd try to stay away from the calmrisc thing if at all possible. It's 16 bit, and there's only an experimental gcc for it |
| 20:31:32 | markun | amiconn: I do think they are all on one side, but I will get mine hopefully next week to do some more reasearch. |
| 20:32:09 | Domonoky | webguest45: and ipodpatcher gives no errors when installing the bootloader ? |
| 20:32:53 | webguest45 | nope. no problems. |
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| 20:33:27 | Ethan304 | It says it doesn't support it even though I downloaded it from the Mac OS X section |
| 20:33:30 | scorche|sh | Bagder: do you happen to have the org application info ready? |
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| 20:34:10 | Domonoky | Ethan304: your mac doesnt like the rbutil.dmg ? |
| 20:34:26 | Ethan304 | haha apparently. |
| 20:34:31 | Lear | pixelma: No, but I'll check. |
| 20:34:46 | Ethan304 | It uploaded, and it seemed like it would function but it said it isn't supported on this system |
| 20:34:48 | Crash91 | Is the bootloader meant to prevent OF database rebuild on the e200? Because it always give me the message saying that but it never works |
| 20:35:02 | Crash91 | that is is* |
| 20:35:08 | Crash91 | that it is** |
| 20:35:38 | BigBambi | Crash91: Depends on OF version and if you have a SD card in |
| 20:36:09 | Llorean | Ethan304: What exactly does it say? |
| 20:36:27 | Domonoky | Ethan304: which version of macosx is this ? *i dont know too much about mac* .. |
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| 20:37:19 | Ethan304 | "You cannot open the application "rbutliqt" because it is not supported on this system" |
| 20:37:20 | Domonoky | webguest45: your error seams strange, did you check the disk for errors ? |
| 20:37:45 | Crash91 | BigBambi: I have a 1GB SD card and OF is .15 i believe |
| 20:37:46 | webguest45 | yep. no errors i really dont know whats going on. |
| 20:37:57 | Ethan304 | Version 10.4.9 |
| 20:38:06 | BigBambi | Crash91: I think if you boot with the SD card in it will always refresh |
| 20:38:06 | Ethan304 | PowerPC G4 |
| 20:38:28 | Ethan304 | I'm guessing that version was created for use in the Intel based Macs. |
| 20:38:32 | Llorean | Domonoky: Is the current DMG definitely a universal binary? |
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| 20:38:50 | Llorean | Ethan304: Usually we release it as a universal binary |
| 20:39:00 | Domonoky | Llorean: i dont know, it could the person who built has forgotten it.. |
| 20:39:16 | Domonoky | Ethan304: you could try an older release of rbutil, e.g 1.0.3 |
| 20:39:27 | Lear | Hm, don't see how 16445 could cause something like that. It just stops the codec thread from sending a "stop playback" command in some cases. |
| 20:39:50 | Ethan304 | Where could I get the older release from? |
| 20:39:57 | Domonoky | http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/macosx/ |
| 20:40:19 | * | Llorean hopes that's where he got the current one from. |
| 20:40:47 | Crash91 | BigBambi: Ah, ok, i was just checking if i needed a BL update |
| 20:41:19 | Ethan304 | Thank you very much |
| 20:42:08 | Domonoky | Ethan304: does an older version work ? (need to know it, to fix the newer build) :-) |
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| 20:43:16 | Ethan304 | My computer is slow so I'm still setting it up. |
| 20:43:33 | Ethan304 | I think it works |
| 20:45:15 | * | gevaerts went googling and actually found a datasheet for the SoC in his previous chinese-built cheap player. |
| 20:45:27 | pixelma | eh... why does my c200 now tries to boot into rockbox when connecting to USB from an off state (then hangs at Rockbox logo)... an idea gevaerts (using r16491, USB support not enabled) |
| 20:45:31 | Domonoky | so we need to recompile the current rbutil release as a universal binary... linuxstb ? or some other dev with mac .. please help out.. :-) |
| 20:45:36 | rasher | gevaerts: which kind? |
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| 20:45:58 | gevaerts | pixelma: did you update the bootloader ? |
| 20:46:14 | gevaerts | rasher: useless for rockbox. 60MHz Z80 and DSP |
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| 20:46:33 | rasher | gevaerts: Somewhat common configuration it seems |
| 20:46:35 | Ethan304 | Alright I have Rockbox open |
| 20:46:41 | pixelma | if I disconnect USB it finishes booting Rockbox. Not since last year, is that necessary now? |
| 20:46:56 | Ethan304 | But I don't know how to install it on my Ipod. |
| 20:47:19 | Ethan304 | I tried browsing for it but nothing came up, but I think I was looking in the wrong places. |
| 20:47:23 | Crash91 | Ethan304: What do you mean you have rockbox open? Do you mean Rbutil? |
| 20:47:38 | Ethan304 | Yes I mean Rbutil, sorry. |
| 20:47:46 | Domonoky | Ethan304: using rbutil, you configure it to your device and press the install button on the second tab.. |
| 20:47:58 | gevaerts | pixelma: no, I was jst trying to isolate the problem. I'll try here |
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| 20:48:16 | Domonoky | Ethan304: try the autodetect button in the configure dialog.. :-) |
| 20:48:57 | Domonoky | Ethan304: if that doesnt work you have to select your device, and enter the path to where your device is on the filesystem of your mac.. |
| 20:49:12 | gevaerts | rasher: yes. This one actually plays ogg vorbis though (but it usually crashes after a while when doing so) |
| 20:49:16 | Lear | Right, I see what pondlife mentions now. The stop is sent a bit too early in one case. |
| 20:49:53 | Ethan304 | It says it is a Macpod and doesn't work, and that it needs to be convered to a WinPod. |
| 20:50:01 | Lear | Reverting r16445 makes it impossible to resume a bookmark while playback is active though... |
| 20:51:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ethan304: Then reformat your iPod to use FAT32. |
| 20:51:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 20:51:30 | Domonoky | Ethan304: so your ipod is mac formated, and you need to change that to fat32 (easiest is with a win PC and itunes, for other methods see lik above) :-) |
| 20:51:31 | pixelma | gevaerts: the original firmware didn't connect too, then I checked the connection again and the computer side plug seemed a bit loose so I replugged it , seems to work now. Sorry for the confusion but interesting that it still recognised attaching to half-working USB |
| 20:51:54 | myth_ | I need some help for programming the .mod codec: Is it possible to get the full file with ci->request_buffer now? Or do I still have to write the samples into a local buffer? I had a look into the nsf codec and they claim "Read the entire file" with ci->seek_buffer(0) and ci->request_buffer(&n, ci->filesize); So does this work to get a pointer to the complete file? |
| 20:52:20 | gevaerts | pixelma: the actual connection detection is purely electrical |
| 20:53:05 | pixelma | ok, learned something new... :) |
| 20:53:22 | webguest45 | ok i have to go i'll try again tomarrow thank you! :) |
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| 20:55:07 | myth_ | any hint on my question above? |
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| 20:57:37 | myth_ | no developers online today? :( |
| 20:58:16 | rasher | myth_: give it bit of time - Nico_P is usually around in the evening. Not quite sure who else might know |
| 20:58:31 | myth_ | ok, thanks ;) |
| 20:58:52 | amiconn | gevaerts: I don't think the rockchip based players are useless for rockbox, although it would be quite a challenge |
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| 21:00:16 | Domonoky | myth_: sid uses "ci->read_filebuf(sidfile, sizeof(sidfile));" and also claims to read the full file ... :-) |
| 21:01:04 | rasher | Those are relatively small files though |
| 21:01:18 | Domonoky | this is ofcourse only possibe if they fit into the memory.. |
| 21:01:48 | linuxstb | myth_: AFAIK, nothing's changed... |
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| 21:02:48 | myth_ | linuxstb: Then this is probably a bug in the nsf codec, because it relies on the nsf file to be completely available after the load function |
| 21:03:40 | linuxstb | myth_: Yes, that's been discussed before |
| 21:04:23 | linuxstb | myth_: But wait for Nico_P to comment, it's possible it might have changed and I missed it. |
| 21:04:45 | myth_ | domonoky: That is interesting. Someone must have changed this. I can't remember doing it this way in the sid codec. |
| 21:04:51 | Nico_P | I don't think it has changed |
| 21:05:12 | myth_ | Is there a chance to use svn to find out changes in a specific file and line? |
| 21:05:30 | Nico_P | yes, svn annotate |
| 21:05:57 | n1s | Nico_P: did you see my update to FS #8667 ? it is the call to playlist_peek that causes the spinup |
| 21:06:20 | Nico_P | n1s: no I hadn't seen it. interesting |
| 21:06:56 | Domonoky | myth_: lostlogic is to "blame" for this line :-) |
| 21:07:07 | myth_ | btw: I will upload the license free mod codec with guideline conformance in a few minutes. Is there a chance that it gets added into svn? And is there also a chance that I get an svn account to edit my codecs? |
| 21:07:43 | n1s | Nico_P: I have no idea what that auto_dir_skip thing is supposed to do so i am not able to fix it properly ;) |
| 21:07:54 | gevaerts | amiconn: it might be possible, but I won't spend too much time on it (the chip is atj2085 if you care) |
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| 21:08:40 | myth_ | Domonoky: maybe someone can ask lostlogic what his thoughts were when adding ;) |
| 21:08:42 | Domonoky | myth_: if you add a working mod codec to the tracker, i am sure it will get added, about the svn access you have to ask the swedes ( normally the ask you ! :-) ) |
| 21:08:56 | Nico_P | n1s: auto_dir_skip is true when the end of the playlist is reached but auto dir change is on |
| 21:09:34 | Nico_P | n1s: if it is the case, playlist_next needs to be called to create a new playlist for the next dir |
| 21:10:38 | amiconn | Domonoky: There is a working mod codec in the tracker |
| 21:10:56 | gevaerts | Where is file copying implemented ? |
| 21:10:59 | amiconn | I use that patch in all my swcodec build |
| 21:11:03 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:11:04 | amiconn | s |
| 21:11:18 | amiconn | The problem with it is that the license is unclear |
| 21:11:37 | Domonoky | ah.. didnt know that.. |
| 21:11:37 | myth_ | amiconn: now its clear because i simply rewrote the whole thing ;) |
| 21:12:48 | n1s | Nico_P: that's what I thought so i threw a DEBUGF in the only if() that checks for auto_dir_skip and that was never printed when the playing dir changed (either automatically or manually) (in the sim though) |
| 21:13:55 | Nico_P | n1s: weird |
| 21:14:22 | Nico_P | n1s: oh, maybe the end of playlist detection got broken |
| 21:14:57 | n1s | but everything seems to work ok with the dirchange... |
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| 21:17:15 | linuxstb | myth_: Maybe to avoid confusion, open a new task on flyspray, so the old code can be rejected. |
| 21:17:31 | desowin | gevaerts: I'm not rockbox dev, but why's that change http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/export/usb.h?r1=16499;r2=16500 ? |
| 21:18:34 | n1s | Nico_P: I must have done something wrong auto_dir_skip gets set to true now, sorry |
| 21:18:53 | gevaerts | desowin: cleanup. USB_DRIVER_COUNT is not needed at all. |
| 21:19:10 | desowin | ah, okay, thanks |
| 21:19:50 | gevaerts | desowin: that commit just got rid of unused stuff. |
| 21:21:06 | myth_ | linuxstb: OK, I'll do this |
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| 21:22:51 | myth_ | can someone please explain to me how to create a patchfile? I forgot it :( |
| 21:23:10 | gevaerts | myth_: svn diff |
| 21:23:11 | n1s | svn diff > patchfile.diff |
| 21:23:22 | Lear | n1s: playlist_peek can cause a spinup because it needs to get the next filename in the playlist. |
| 21:23:22 | myth_ | does this also add new files? |
| 21:23:49 | Domonoky | myth_: no, you have to "svn add" the new files before |
| 21:23:57 | n1s | Lear: Yeah i gathered but shouldn't there be some other way to figure out we are at the end of the playlist? |
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| 21:25:02 | scorche|sh | Bagder: mentor orgs can now apply for GSoC |
| 21:25:38 | * | petur just got the mail too ;) |
| 21:25:53 | myth_ | thanks for the info. seems to be a whole lot easier with svn compared to cvs ;) |
| 21:26:23 | * | rasher spots comments in German |
| 21:28:42 | Lear | n1s: But why check for end of playlist after each track? The playback engine ought to know if there are any more tracks in memory or not. |
| 21:29:16 | n1s | I would like to think so too :) |
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| 21:30:48 | Nico_P | Lear: yeah it could be improved... I'm not the one who wrote audio_check_new_track though ;) |
| 21:31:13 | Nico_P | that func has to be the worst one in playback.c now |
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| 21:40:38 | Lear | Nico_P, n1s: Well, maybe calling playlist_check would be a quick fix in this case. (Not sure if it would work though.) |
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| 21:54:00 | myth_ | The new license free mod codec is online at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8680. This time with coding guideline conformity, so hopefully it will get added to svn |
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| 21:57:32 | Bagder | myth_: it's not license free when it uses the GPL... |
| 21:57:57 | Bagder | but GPL is fine as that's what we use all over |
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| 21:59:25 | * | petur throws a stick and asks GPL v2 or v3 |
| 21:59:38 | Bagder | hehe |
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| 22:00:23 | gevaerts | me wants GPLv1 |
| 22:01:55 | myth_ | badger: We can change the license to whatever we wish, I don't care |
| 22:02:16 | Bagder | of course, I just pointed out that it isn't license free |
| 22:02:32 | myth_ | you are right ;) |
| 22:03:10 | Beta2K | BSD anyone? |
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| 22:03:51 | barrywardell | gevaerts: thanks for committing that fix. my mac no longer crashes on USB disconnect |
| 22:04:09 | myth_ | btw: Very good news. I tried changing the loading routine to the "complete file at once"-method and now I am playing an 800k mod file. So it seems to work! |
| 22:04:58 | gevaerts | barrywardell: Now if it would actually work... |
| 22:05:03 | barrywardell | gevaerts: however, I now no longer get the drive appearing in disk utility. It appears with 16448, not with current svn |
| 22:05:26 | gevaerts | barrywardell: 16448 is the last one where it works ? |
| 22:05:31 | petur | Bagder: regarding GSoC: do you think we should just present our wikipage full of possible projects (like last year) or actively put forward a limited list of stuff we want done? |
| 22:05:55 | Bagder | I think we should present that page |
| 22:06:07 | barrywardell | gevaerts: unfortunately, I can't test any versions in between because they crash my mac |
| 22:06:11 | Bagder | it's still up to students to find and craft projects they want to do |
| 22:06:45 | barrywardell | gevaerts: but disk utility correctly reports the disk size, etc with 16447 and doesn't even show the disk now |
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| 22:08:04 | linuxstb | myth_: Yes, but I doubt it will work consistently - i.e. if your mod file isn't loaded contiguously in the buffer (i.e. it wraps around) |
| 22:09:02 | myth_ | linuxstb: Is this confirmed? And maybe someone can fix it. I promise I will write an xm codec once this is clarified. |
| 22:09:51 | linuxstb | myth_: It should be easy to test - set a directory of large MODs playing, and it will fail at around 28MB into them |
| 22:10:02 | gevaerts | barrywardell: you might try "deactivating" usb_drv_stall in usb-drv-pp502x.c to make bisecting easier. I think only r16448, r16457, r16458 and r16471 can be the cuplrit. |
| 22:10:03 | linuxstb | (depending on your target) |
| 22:10:50 | myth_ | hmm |
| 22:11:12 | barrywardell | gevaerts: ok, I'll try that |
| 22:11:15 | linuxstb | Does anyone have a view on whether we should have "qualification tasks" for SoC this year? |
| 22:11:57 | JdGordon | we need some sort of test.. at least having a CC going is almost good enough |
| 22:12:28 | scorche|sh | linuxstb: i would say we should...it seemed like it worked well enough for others last year...the question is what tasks should we do? |
| 22:12:55 | scorche|sh | we could also pass on the tests initially and just quiz them a bit during an interview |
| 22:13:04 | scorche|sh | i quite liked the interview concept |
| 22:14:05 | myth_ | linuxstb: Where can I make on official request for this feature? |
| 22:14:18 | myth_ | though I think I already made that :( |
| 22:14:47 | linuxstb | myth_: Making a request won't help - dive into the playback code and make it happen... |
| 22:15:26 | barrywardell | gevaerts: the change comes from r16448 |
| 22:16:01 | petur | amiconn: ping |
| 22:16:05 | myth_ | linuxstb: Wouldn't it be better if some of the experts had a look at this? This takes me ages and could be better used on writing a new codec |
| 22:16:13 | gevaerts | barrywardell: are you trying at full speed or high speed ? |
| 22:16:24 | myth_ | my spare time is too limited :( |
| 22:16:40 | barrywardell | high speed |
| 22:17:08 | BigBambi | myth_: As is everybodies |
| 22:17:27 | Bagder | we should craft up something like this => http://geda.seul.org/wiki/best_practices |
| 22:17:44 | gevaerts | barrywardell: I forgot the boosting changes in r16448... As we're actually looking for protocol issues, can you retry at full speed ? |
| 22:18:27 | barrywardell | gevaerts: here are my logfs: http://pastebin.ca/926811 (svn r16447) and http://pastebin.ca/926819 (svn r16448) |
| 22:18:42 | barrywardell | I'll try full speed now |
| 22:19:45 | webguest62 | hi, i need help |
| 22:20:02 | webguest62 | i need to know how to install patches exactly |
| 22:20:24 | bluebrother | maybe let the student do a build and add some (known to work) patches? |
| 22:20:37 | bluebrother | webguest62: you don't install patches. Those get applied against the sources. |
| 22:20:45 | bluebrother | which means you need to compile yourself. |
| 22:21:26 | webguest62 | i have no idea what to do to get this to work: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5153?histring=doom |
| 22:21:40 | Bagder | webguest62: see the WorkingWithPatches wiki page |
| 22:21:41 | barrywardell | gevaerts: exactly the same with high speed |
| 22:21:43 | bluebrother | do you know how to build? |
| 22:21:53 | webguest62 | no |
| 22:21:53 | barrywardell | gevaerts: I mean full speed |
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| 22:22:47 | bluebrother | well, then you should really read the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page and ask yourself if you want to take up the task. |
| 22:23:01 | webguest62 | ok thanks alot |
| 22:23:03 | bluebrother | as it requires quite a bit of time |
| 22:23:15 | gevaerts | barrywardell: at first sight, it looks like it wants the caching mode page, and doesn't take no for an answer. I'm checking if that part is correct now |
| 22:23:15 | webguest62 | ok i will check it out |
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| 22:23:24 | bluebrother | alternatively, check the unsupported builds for one that in cludes this. No idea if such a build is around. |
| 22:24:12 | linuxstb | Bagder: I like that page - we could almost steal it verbatim... |
| 22:24:23 | Bagder | yes I think so too |
| 22:24:28 | petur | check the license ;) |
| 22:24:35 | linuxstb | petur: I was just thinking that ;) |
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| 22:26:50 | linuxstb | What about SVN access? For things like plugins or codecs, it could work well, but probably not if the changes apply to core code... |
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| 22:27:23 | bluebrother | maybe using a git mirror? |
| 22:27:26 | Bagder | we can offer them a branch right away I'd say |
| 22:27:27 | linuxstb | But sharing code in some form on at least a weekly basis is a good idea. |
| 22:29:12 | petur | weekly is the maximum, two days probably better (depends on the student) |
| 22:29:19 | scorche|sh | definitely....i think we should enforce "commit early, commit often" much more this year...even if the code isnt ready |
| 22:29:23 | * | petur learned a lesson |
| 22:29:33 | bluebrother | myth_: can I close FS #5241? |
| 22:30:19 | scorche|sh | i definitely think we should enforce IRC more too...as well as having mandatory "meetings" besides emails/casual IRC chat |
| 22:31:23 | Bagder | with sharing the code every week, I'm not sure extra "meetings" need to be compulsory |
| 22:32:01 | amiconn | petur: pong |
| 22:32:15 | gevaerts | barrywardell: I still think the code is correct, but I'll try implementing the caching mode page. |
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| 22:32:51 | scorche|sh | Bagder: i was thinking every 2 weeks or so |
| 22:33:29 | petur | amiconn: wait_for_start_of_transfer() times out in wait_for_bsy(). status 0xD1, error 0x04 |
| 22:33:53 | amiconn | What happens in perform_soft_reset()? No error? |
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| 22:37:03 | petur | amiconn: I only logged timeouts in wait_for_bsy/rdy and the places they get called |
| 22:37:36 | amiconn | Hmm, so the soft reset is not the real problem |
| 22:37:42 | petur | and the one in soft_reset didn't fail |
| 22:37:47 | barrywardell | gevaerts: OK, thanks. Let me know if you have anything you want me to test |
| 22:37:54 | amiconn | The problem is that the accesses fail *after* the soft reset |
| 22:38:01 | petur | yes |
| 22:38:07 | amiconn | So I think that the soft reset itself works, but not properly |
| 22:38:09 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I've just closed it... |
| 22:38:24 | amiconn | It probably acts like a hard reset |
| 22:38:29 | bluebrother | linuxstb: ok, then I won't wait for an answer ;-) |
| 22:39:28 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I asked myth_ to post his latest patch as a new task so we could reject the first version (to keep it cleanly separated) |
| 22:39:53 | bluebrother | I think we need a new tracker cleanup week ... |
| 22:40:28 | crzyboyster | Is it OK if I knock the entire rockbox icon off the wps screen in the cabbiev2 mrobe 100 port? |
| 22:41:48 | amiconn | petur: It could be that the card loses the multisector setting, which will of course make the multisector read and write commands fail |
| 22:42:16 | amiconn | Basically we would need to do some (not all) of the inits which are done in ata_init() also in case of a soft reset |
| 22:42:20 | petur | amiconn: I'm now building a version that does an init again after soft reset |
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| 22:42:52 | pixelma | crzyboyster: that was my first reaction too, my "problem" is that it then should have a bit bigger icons for the rest (and I'd think it's nice if all 160x128 are somewhat similar in this regard (couldn't decide for myself yet) |
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| 22:43:23 | amiconn | freeze_lock(), set_features() and set_multiple_mode() |
| 22:43:50 | pixelma | crzyboyster: by the way: what do you mean with the Archos port bitmaps need renaming? |
| 22:44:51 | tapes | Hey guys is it worth risking installing rockbox on my sansa e260 using the 200 firmware or should i be patient and wait for it to be ported? |
| 22:45:12 | Bagder | 200 _series_ |
| 22:45:19 | Bagder | that includes 260 |
| 22:45:27 | tapes | sweet, thanks |
| 22:45:38 | * | pixelma deletes the start of a longer explanation... :) |
| 22:46:29 | pixelma | tapes: just make sure you have not a e260v2 |
| 22:46:44 | gevaerts | barrywardell: can you try setting tb.inquiry->Versions to 0 in identify2inquiry() ? (just a wild guess) |
| 22:47:04 | barrywardell | ok |
| 22:47:35 | bluebrother | hmm, maybe we should clarify this in the manual somewhat. We have "manual for h100, h120, ..." but "manual für e200" |
| 22:47:38 | petur | amiconn: when is a soft_reset performed? it is not freezing atm but I've only seen one soft_reset in my log |
| 22:48:53 | myth_ | I have to leave now, bye everyone |
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| 22:53:03 | amiconn | petur: It's only called after ATA_SLEEP if the disk was *not* powered off inbetween |
| 22:53:19 | amiconn | You can temporarily disable ata poweroff in your build |
| 22:53:30 | * | petur increases spindown time |
| 22:53:30 | amiconn | Then it will be called everytime after sleep |
| 22:53:31 | barrywardell | gevaerts: no difference. but, seting tb.inquiry->DeviceTypeModifier = DEVICE_REMOVABLE makes disk utility find it again! |
| 22:53:42 | amiconn | Increasing spindown time won't help |
| 22:53:53 | petur | ok ok |
| 22:53:59 | amiconn | The sleep command is what causes the disk to spin down |
| 22:53:59 | * | petur makes another build ;) |
| 22:54:26 | amiconn | With ata poweroff, there is only a 2 second window where the soft reset misbehaviour could hit |
| 22:54:53 | petur | amiconn: remove HAVE_ATA_POWER_OFF ? |
| 22:54:58 | amiconn | yes |
| 22:55:08 | petur | config_xxx? |
| 22:55:20 | gevaerts | barrywardell: interesting. Can you mount it by hand ? |
| 22:55:22 | crzyboyster | 'pixelma: Actually, it's not the archos port. It is the 128x64x1 rwps that seems to be the consistency problem for some filenames. |
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| 22:55:53 | pixelma | bluebrother: I like the idea... on a related note: I started looking at the installation instruction (because some important general things are only mentioned in the "manual installation" chapter which comes after the "automated installation" chapter now). I try to find a good structure but it's not easy and a not very motivating task... |
| 22:57:08 | Llorean | bluebrother: Well teh h100 uses a different bootloader and firmware file than the h120 |
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| 22:57:48 | tapes | sorry to bother you again im just going through the instruction manual ive downloaded and extracted the current build im up to the fonts bit and have downloaded the daily build im installing to route is it ok to overwrite the current files? as it is not in the instructions |
| 22:57:51 | bluebrother | yep, but the manual is for the h100 series. So we could either just name it as "h100 series" or name all supported players. |
| 22:58:09 | petur | amiconn: looking good... |
| 22:58:12 | n1s | tapes: yes overwrite is ok |
| 22:58:18 | tapes | ty |
| 22:58:21 | bluebrother | tapes: daily build and current build? You need only one of those |
| 22:59:08 | petur | amiconn: would it be acceptable to re-init after soft reset for all targets? |
| 22:59:49 | tapes | oh but instructions for manual installation show both |
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| 23:00:06 | tapes | the second part being for fonts |
| 23:00:18 | bluebrother | well, the fonts is something different. |
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| 23:00:24 | pixelma | Llorean: I thought he meant all the supported models should be listed somewhere in the beginning or on the frontpage like in "The Rockbox Manual for Iriver H320 and H340" |
| 23:00:38 | Llorean | pixelma: I can agree with that. |
| 23:01:15 | bluebrother | we could also write it as "manual for h100 series (h100, h120, ihp...) |
| 23:01:16 | bluebrother | " |
| 23:01:27 | barrywardell | gevaerts: I can't get it to mount by hand |
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| 23:02:42 | gevaerts | barrywardell: any logf output ? |
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| 23:04:13 | barrywardell | gevaerts: http://pastebin.ca/926899 |
| 23:06:16 | gevaerts | barrywardell: can you enable the logf statement at line 707 (logf("scsi read %d %d", current_cmd.sector, current_cmd.count);) |
| 23:06:27 | * | gevaerts should have a mac here |
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| 23:07:10 | gevaerts | barrywardell: maybe also the one at 792 (logf("CSW: %X",status);) |
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| 23:09:01 | pixelma | are there any other opinions on GodEater's manual patch that changes "File Menu" to "Context Menu"? Wanted to ask when some more people interested in the manual seem active... |
| 23:09:26 | pixelma | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8649 |
| 23:09:31 | * | Llorean is in favour of it. |
| 23:09:36 | n1s | +1 |
| 23:10:39 | * | linuxstb nods agreeingly |
| 23:11:05 | barrywardell | gevaerts: http://pastebin.ca/926907 (that's with 707 only) |
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| 23:14:06 | gevaerts | barrywardell: try changing line 704 from 'cbw->command_block[7] << 16' to 'cbw->command_block[7] << 8'. That looks like a clear bug to me |
| 23:14:30 | barrywardell | gevaerts: with 792 as well: http://pastebin.ca/926912 |
| 23:14:52 | gevaerts | barrywardell: and if you want to try writing, same fix on line 741 |
| 23:16:21 | barrywardell | gevaerts: success! my H10 now mounts on my mac :) |
| 23:16:26 | bluebrother | pixelma: I'm all for it. |
| 23:16:35 | gevaerts | barrywardell: I'll commit both fixes |
| 23:16:59 | barrywardell | great |
| 23:17:55 | pixelma | ok, going to commit it then but have to do clean up my tree a bit before and make sure the manual still compiles (tested it last week but want to make sure) |
| 23:18:10 | pixelma | -do |
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| 23:19:50 | gevaerts | barrywardell: done. |
| 23:20:52 | gevaerts | barrywardell: can you do a quick check on a clean svn checkout, just to be sure ? |
| 23:20:59 | barrywardell | yeah, ok |
| 23:21:43 | * | gevaerts already goes to the wiki page to remove the "mac osx doesn't like it" note |
| 23:26:05 | barrywardell | gevaerts: works great. one last problem though...unmounting doesn't work. when I eject the disk it mounts itself again straight away |
| 23:27:11 | gevaerts | barrywardell: that's an interesting one. Maybe we need to start failing TEST_UNIT_READY after a START_STOP_UNIT ? Do you have a logf output ? |
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| 23:28:13 | barrywardell | gevaerts: unmounting using 'diskutil unmount' on the command line works |
| 23:28:58 | gevaerts | barrywardell: at least your data is safe then ;) |
| 23:31:12 | barrywardell | gevaerts: http://pastebin.ca/926936 <= that's connecting usb, trying to unmount with the gui, then unmounting on command line |
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| 23:31:37 | bttb | Hi all |
| 23:32:56 | petur | amiconn: in case you return after I've left: new patch on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8644 |
| 23:33:00 | gevaerts | barrywardell: is that the correct one ? It looks like a dump from a version with the <<16 still i it. |
| 23:34:13 | bttb | What's the best way to buy an iPod Mini nowadays? eBay? |
| 23:34:43 | amiconn | petur: I'd want to drop the ata_is_flash stuff |
| 23:34:55 | petur | yes I know |
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| 23:35:16 | petur | only the failing powermanagement stuff is left |
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| 23:35:34 | barrywardell | gevaerts: let me check again. |
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| 23:35:48 | amiconn | And your return value for the repeated set_features() is wrong |
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| 23:35:57 | amiconn | (minus sign missing) |
| 23:36:11 | petur | amiconn: so it would be ok to re-init after soft-reset for all targets? |
| 23:36:22 | amiconn | It shouldn't hurt |
| 23:36:35 | * | petur spots the typo |
| 23:36:37 | amiconn | Doesn't happen too often if the target supports ata poweroff |
| 23:37:13 | amiconn | The order in set_features shouldn't matter |
| 23:37:37 | barrywardell | gevaerts: logfdump doesn't work after a usb connection now |
| 23:37:44 | amiconn | (regarding your move of the pio mode setting) |
| 23:38:00 | barrywardell | gevaerts: scrap that |
| 23:38:18 | * | gevaerts is busy scrapping |
| 23:38:21 | petur | amiconn: leftover from testing/guessing |
| 23:38:33 | * | petur has to go.... |
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| 23:41:28 | linuxstb | bttb: Yes, I expect ebay would be the easiest place to find a mini |
| 23:43:04 | jac0b | nice icons on the site plus the revision numbers on every new revision |
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| 23:43:42 | bttb | linuxstb: thx |
| 23:44:21 | bttb | Do the iPod docking stations work (need audio only) with rockbox? |
| 23:45:18 | * | pixelma found the icons a bit distracting |
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| 23:45:43 | barrywardell | gevaerts: http://pastebin.ca/926957 |
| 23:45:55 | * | barrywardell remembered to enable logf in usb_storage.c this time! |
| 23:47:02 | gevaerts | OK, so it does a start_stop_unit. I'll have a patch for you to test in a few minutes |
| 23:48:10 | barrywardell | OK |
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| 23:49:55 | gevaerts | barrywardell: gevaerts/start_stop_unit.diff">http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/start_stop_unit.diff |
| 23:52:31 | barrywardell | gevaerts: works great |
| 23:53:28 | gevaerts | Committed |
| 23:53:56 | gevaerts | So it looks like on H10 at least there should be no problems left |
| 23:54:40 | Llorean | Does that mean we're down to the Sansa issue? |
| 23:55:00 | linuxstb | bttb: This page describes the current status of ipod accessories in Rockbox - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories |
| 23:55:10 | bttb | linuxstb: thx again |
| 23:55:15 | gevaerts | The Sansa issue and signal quality, but the H10 doesn't seem to suffer from that one (or at least not nearly as much) |
| 23:55:55 | linuxstb | So still no reports of disk corruption from non-Sansa users? |
| 23:56:11 | gevaerts | At least I didn't hear anything |
| 23:56:38 | linuxstb | Anyone know if unofficial builds are enabling the USB stack? |
| 23:58:03 | Llorean | I don't think they are. |
| 23:58:16 | Llorean | But then, most of the unofficial activity has really died down a lot, I think. |
| 23:58:20 | gevaerts | Maybe we could move USE_ROCKBOX_USB and USE_HIGH_SPEED to the debug menu (at least on non-sansa), so people can experiment more easily ? |
| 23:58:24 | Llorean | I see tdtooke updating his, and a few sansa builds. |
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