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#rockbox log for 2008-03-06

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00:03:08gevaertsSoap_: did you find some time to look into these voltage measurements we talked about a few days ago ?
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00:04:16Soap_I'm out of town - but willing to do it - but will need guidance on where to probe and under what conditions.
00:04:40Soap_We had only talked about the idea, not the implementation If I Recall Correctly.
00:05:27gevaertsIndeed. I believe you said you were going to see if it was at all possible first
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00:06:20gevaertsThings like being able to run it while being open with the PCB accessible
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00:07:52Soap_yea - I need to do that - I picked up the Fluke last night.
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00:15:22Bagderand now bedtime!
00:15:44gevaertsGood idea
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00:36:39stripwaxanyone (gevaerts?) know what the difference is between an ipod set to "enable disk use" and an ipod not set to "enable disk use" in iTunes, at the USB level?
00:37:58petur[00:16] <−− gevaerts has left this server ("Bagder is right").
00:38:19stripwaxso he has. anyone else happen to know?
00:38:36peturno ipoo here
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00:40:21peturcan't help you, I'm no ipod user
00:40:43linuxstb_stripwax; All I know is that there is an "ipodcontrol.exe" service running, which is some way intereferes with the ipod's normal UMS behaviour. (on Windows, presumably something comparable on OS X)
00:40:55linuxstb_Or maybe ipodservice.exe
00:41:40linuxstb_So I think it's more a WIndows thing than USB thing.
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00:42:55stripwaxlinuxstb - oh, ugly. thanks
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00:46:28linuxstb_stripwax: Any reason you asked?
00:48:50stripwaxlinuxstb - not really. Was looking at the SoC list, read about the MTP suggestion, and then wondered how itunes prevents the disk showing up if it's using UMS under the hood.
00:50:02stripwax'not' enabling disk use also seems to remove the need to 'safely remove hardware' from Windows before removal.
00:50:18scorche|shthere are some folk around who know more specifics, i think...there is a person in #gsoc who has been working on itunes compatibility with wine who might know more...not sure
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00:55:09linuxstb_I very much doubt itunes still thinks a Rockbox'd ipod is an ipod (with our native UMS stack)
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00:59:19*stripwax agrees
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01:08:28*linuxstb_ doesn't understand how "support for syncing with itunes" can be implemented in Rockbox, apart from converting the itunesdb to Rockbox format, which can already be done
01:09:56LloreanWell, handling any steps we'd have to do to convince iTunes we are an iPod, right?
01:10:12linuxstb_Yes, but then what?
01:10:20LloreanI'd imagine that's it.
01:10:44*stripwax places bets
01:10:48LloreanSorry, I just wandered into the discussion.
01:10:51linuxstb_All that means is that itunes continues to update it's own database, obfuscate the filenames, and Rockbox continues to ignore it
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01:11:20linuxstb_I'm talking about the project idea on the SoC page
01:12:09LloreanAh yes
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01:12:51LloreanMight want to clarify that we have no interest in natively reading the iTunes database files instead of our own, and that it would really just be a matter of getting iTunes to recognize iPods (or any software USB device) as an iPod.
01:13:34linuxstb_But is that really a SoC project?
01:13:58linuxstb_Even if we did want Rockbox to mimic the Apple firmware (which I'm not convinced we do)
01:14:02LloreanI don't think "iTunes support" is by any stretch.
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01:14:50LloreanMTP support seems like it could be an SoC project.
01:15:04linuxstb_Yes, I agree with that.
01:15:24linuxstb_So no objection if I remove references to itunes from that proposal?
01:15:31LloreanNone at all by me
01:17:41linuxstb_If I'm reading the history of that page correctly, saratoga added it...
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01:30:01saratogalinuxstb_: I was thinking of convincing itunes that rockbox is an ipod, and then updating the iTunes database where appropriate (play counts, playlists, etc)
01:30:20linuxstb_How would that updating happen (and when?)
01:30:47linuxstb_I don't think I would like to see support for the itunesdb in the core Rockbox
01:30:58saratogapresumably we could sync the itunes database on USB insert and disconnect
01:31:17saratogait should be a fairly quick operation i'd think
01:31:46LloreanSo just taking the runtime data and sharing it between the two?
01:32:16saratogawell that and tricking itunes into syncing rockbox in the first place
01:32:38saratogawhich presumably would involve some USB trickery, particularly if you wanted it to work with a non-apple player
01:32:39linuxstb_The user can simply boot into the Apple firmware if he/she wants to sync with itunes though.
01:33:10Lloreanlinuxstb_: We could add an option in the menus to use emergency disk mode instead of Rockbox USB even.
01:33:46saratogai'm mostly just thinking about syncing playlists, playcounts, album art, etc with various media players
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01:34:29saratogai don't have any particular interest in itunes per se
01:34:37linuxstb_I just don't think itunes support can be added in a clean way. The itunesdb is also a moving target - so someone will keep needing to fix it when Apple release new versions of itunes...
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01:34:39LloreanI'd stick with keeping the focus on MTP then.
01:35:05LloreanAs far as "iTunes Support" goes, I don't think we really need to do any more than we do now.
01:35:16linuxstb_We couldn't do any less... ;)
01:35:24saratogalinuxstb_: its a moving target for new ipods, but old ones still work
01:35:41saratogaso theres still support for Ipod 1G databases in there somewhere
01:36:02saratogawhich presumably has been static since 2003 when Apple stopped updating the 1G firmware
01:36:23linuxstb_Yes, there is that - we're now only supporting "obsolete" ipods...
01:37:44linuxstb_Maybe split the proposal into two distinct projects then - MTP support and "integration with itunes"
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01:38:41saratogaif you want to edit it, feel free
01:38:58saratogai was mostly just thinking that iTunes support alone probably wasn't enough to warrent a summer's worth of work
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01:40:34JdGordon|unijhMikeS: whats the mpegplayer problem?
01:40:48*stripwax adds cobra mk3 vertices to cube.rock
01:40:56linuxstb_It's not an mpegplayer problem - it's a general problem with colours in lists in plugins - they don't work...
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01:41:40SoapHotel<saratoga> i'm mostly just thinking about syncing playlists, playcounts, album art, etc with various media players
01:42:12SoapHotel1 - Isn't iTunes album art embedded? 2 - Aren't iTunes smart playlists scripts which get executed on the iPod?
01:42:23linuxstb_No and No (IIUC)
01:42:37*JdGordon|uni sees colour in the lists
01:42:50linuxstb_According to jhMikeS they're not the right colours...
01:42:53LloreanSoapHotel: I think that for #2, they're scripts executed by iTunes when syncing. The "smart" playlist is actually static until next sync, afaik
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01:43:23linuxstb_Yes, that's my understanding (from what I've read/been told)
01:43:27scorche|shSoapHotel: for number 1, itunes extracts it out of the tags when syncing iirc
01:44:24linuxstb_Yes, I think there's an album-art database storing uncompressed pre-scaled bitmaps.
01:44:27SoapHotelThat's what I get for never using iTunes, but from what people had said (raved) about iTunes you could make a smart playlist "Songs from 1996 I haven't heard in six months" and it would be good forever. Really not all that impressive if it is nothing more than a static playlist which only gets updated on sync.
01:44:56SoapHotelyou don't have to tab-complete me as SoapHotel - Soap is fine.
01:44:58LloreanEverything i've heard suggests they're only smart on sync.
01:45:08HodappI am too lazy to make playlists.
01:45:13LloreanWhich basically puts our database a step ahead of their smart playlists
01:45:26scorche|shSoapHotel: this is 2 keystrokes... Soap is 4
01:45:35scorche|shplus colon
01:45:36linuxstb_Apart from the lack of UI to create them...
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01:45:51saratogasmart playlists work on the PC too though right?
01:45:57saratogathats probably worth something to a lot of people
01:46:25scorche|shi have heard smart playlists as an often asked question when introducing itunes power users to rockbox
01:46:30linuxstb_Yes, lots of things work in itunes, but are only partially (or not at all) supported on the ipod. Crossfade for example.
01:46:36scorche|shthat wouldnt be a bad SoC project...
01:46:53stripwaxogg vorbis, even/
01:47:01LloreanImproved playlisting and database support might be nice.
01:47:10*scorche|sh nods
01:47:22LloreanFor example, being able to define "smart playlists" within tagnavi that are like, "the 100 songs I haven't heard in the longest time". Specific numbers of songs, basically
01:47:34LloreanAnd, folders and EXTM3U data in .m3u files
01:47:35*linuxstb_ just wants some students who have a clue, and doesn't care what they do
01:47:43*Llorean will settle for that. :)
01:48:00LloreanWell, I do care slightly
01:48:08LloreanI want it to be something we'd actually like to commit when it's done. :)
01:48:12scorche|shLlorean: want to add that to the wiki then? ;)
01:48:13saratogaabout students, are we going to try and advertise any?
01:48:34saratogai was thinking of posting to some mailing lists and such at universities where i know people
01:48:50Lloreanscorche|sh: I'll try to remember to do it when I can put together an actual "project"-scope description of it.
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01:49:13scorche|shsaratoga: well, i am doing it in a non-annoying way in #gsoc when a suitable student asks about projects with certain interests which are applicable
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01:50:35linuxstb_We should replace the Rockbox splash logo with an SoC advert...
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01:52:02scorche|shupon announcment of us being accepted, maybe...
01:52:04saratogalinuxstb_: i like that
01:52:09*scorche|sh adds an e
01:54:05saratogawould adding a container interface to rockbox be a good project?
01:54:20saratogai've been wondering about supporting things like mp3 in MP4 container and MKA
01:55:30linuxstb_Is that actually useful? I can see that it's nice in theory, but is it worth the complication? (and does anyone actually do that kind of thing?)
01:55:59*linuxstb_ doesn't want to end up with ffmpeg...
01:56:15saratogaeventually we might want that for mpegplayer
01:57:22LloreanThere's a couple ideas for SoC
01:57:29LloreanExpanding jpegviewer into "imageviewer"
01:57:39LloreanAnd expanding mpegplayer to supporting one, or more, added codecs.
01:57:56linuxstb_Not really - mpegplayer need the audio/video codecs optimised together (sharing IRAM for example), I can't see how you can split them and use arbitrary combinations of codecs.
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01:59:22saratogaI think in the long term iram sharing isn't going to matter too much since either we'll have so much we don't care (AMS chips) or fast enough caching we don't need it
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02:02:56linuxstb_Maybe, but we haven't reached that stage yet - the vast majority of current targets are still very limited.
02:03:58saratogatrue but the vast majority of targets are always going to be MPEG2 only
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02:04:26saratogaH.264 is probably always going to be reserved for the Gigabeats and DSP chips on the Zen or whatever
02:04:38saratogaassuming we get it implemented at all
02:05:00saratogathat reminds me, does the Zen or D2 use IRAM?
02:05:06LloreanThere's still MPEG-4
02:05:16LloreanOr rather ASP
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03:31:39countrymonkeyI was talking with my friend and our discussions turned to czech (and he is a nttive speaker of czech.) Because of the topic of conversation, I said "Ano" (yes in czech, I learned that through czech.lang). He said that was slovak and the word for yes in czech was "tak". He also said the word "nee" was slovak, although he gave no translation. Then he said "zapnuto" (on, according to czech.lang) was actually
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03:35:29TomAI want to know how I can post another good encoding program for the mpegplayer plugin, it is SuperC. It can encode into and from many different formats with an easy to use interface.
03:36:44countrymonkeyGet wiki access. If you got some, you should be able to just add to the wiki.
03:36:56TomAHow do I do that?
03:37:55countrymonkeyThere is a link somewhere called "register yourself". Look around; it has been a while since I did it. I think it is on the main wiki page. Click that link, follow the directions, and report back here; I can give you write permission.
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03:39:08linuxstbTomA: Isn't that just another front-end to ffmpeg?
03:39:09LloreanTomA: Are you referring to SUPER?
03:39:33LloreanSUPER isn't a front end. It's a hackish program put together containing bits of ffmpeg, DLLs from other programs, and basically a whole mess of copyright infringing, from what I've read.
03:40:37LloreanOr rather, isn't "just" a front end.
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03:41:21*linuxstb was struggling to find out some details on the Super (C) website...
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04:08:38TomAI registered can someone authorize me or whatever to post wikis
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04:20:23linuxstbTomA: IMO, that site is such a nightmare that I wouldn't want to advertise it and make people jump through their hoops... I can't even seem to download it (with firefox)
04:25:21TomAsorry if you posted a while back I was looking around the site
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04:28:47TomAIt took some time for me to find the link to the download but here is the best way I can give directions,
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04:29:40TomAfirst go to the top of the page move over freeware/superc/then click download
04:30:29TomAOn the page that comes up scroll all the way to the bottom and click "start downloading superc"
04:31:00linuxstbExactly... Why do they need to do that?
04:31:10TomAon the next page right near the top in blue is download an use click that
04:31:18TomAdon't ask me
04:31:55TomAthen at the bottom of the next page is the link to download the superc setup file
04:33:30TomAanyway thats what I use, it can use directshow so i've used it with divx files and had exelent results
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04:34:14john_hey all
04:34:55TomAcan you authorize me, so I can post?
04:35:07john_problems....i had a macpod and formated it with gparted fat32, now the rockbox utility say's no ipod found
04:35:09LloreanTomA: Is there a list of the licenses for the various codecs somewhere on the site?
04:35:10john_any idea?
04:35:24Lloreanjohn_: You should follow the manual conversion page, it's not as simple as *just* reformatting.
04:35:32TomAnever looked don't know
04:35:33john_i did do that
04:35:56john_it doesn't say how to format it to fat32 under linux
04:36:03Lloreanjohn_: Does it boot the Apple OS?
04:36:24LloreanTomA: Well, it's rather important. We shouldn't put links to things with questionable license adherence on the wiki
04:36:30linuxstbLlorean: It seems that they are complying with the law - I managed to download it, and the installation program says that the included binaries (ffmpeg etc) are unmodified and released under the GPL. The ffmpeg devs seem to be happy with that.
04:36:31Lloreanjohn_: Have you tried the manual installation instructions?
04:36:40linuxstbTomA: Is "A" your full surname?
04:36:41john_yes, i put the partition table on
04:37:02john_newfs_msdos -F32 -v iPod /dev/rdiskNs2
04:37:14Lloreanlinuxstb: I was more concerned about the inclusion of some of the DLLs. I'd read that they're taken from things like WMP. But I'm not really certain.
04:37:16john_that command is not for linux so the only way i know how to format is through gparted
04:37:32Lloreanjohn_: I didn't ask if you put the partition table on. I asked if you'd tried the manual rockbox install.
04:37:35TomAno, Arnold, I just put A for short, and check their webpage under company/legal notices
04:37:37linuxstbLlorean: OK, I've no idea about that...
04:37:56Lloreanjohn_: So what does iPodPatcher say?
04:38:10Lloreanlinuxstb: *shrugs* Dunno. if it seems okay, I guess go with it.
04:38:10john_llorean : whenever i run ./ipodpatcher is says cannot find ipod
04:38:35Lloreanjohn_: Can you paste the partition table to a pastebin somewhere?
04:39:32john_to a pastebin?
04:39:50linuxstbjohn_: Have you seen this page?
04:40:09TomAThe source code hasn't been modified it says it is all legal under the GNU liscense for free software
04:40:45linuxstbTomA: I'm happy with that, but the rules for the wiki (on the registration page you just visited) say your wiki name MUST BE your full first name and surname.
04:40:47john_no i have not tried that way yet...
04:40:50john_let me give that a try thanks
04:41:02TomAMy B how do I fix that
04:41:15linuxstbjohn_: Before you do that, does your ipod boot normally into the Apple firmware?
04:41:53john_it does
04:43:04linuxstbAnd you're running ipodpatcher as root?
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04:44:57linuxstbOK, then follow Llorean's advice and show us what your partition table looks like...
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04:45:33john_john@john-desktop:~/Desktop$ sudo dd if=mbr-4g-20gb.bin of=/dev/sdd3
04:45:33john_1+0 records in
04:45:33john_1+0 records out
04:45:33DBUGEnqueued KICK john_
04:45:33john_512 bytes (512 B) copied, 3.9757e-05 seconds, 12.9 MB/s
04:45:44john_i just wrote the table to my ipod
04:45:46linuxstbThat's your mistake - it should be /dev/sdd
04:46:01linuxstbThen unplug your ipod, and reattach it.
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04:46:29john_but when i do >df it shows up as /dev/sdd3
04:47:01john_got it sdd is the harddrive
04:47:05john_sdd3 is the 3rd partition
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04:48:33john_now i did this
04:48:35john_john@john-desktop:~/Desktop$ dd if=Firmware- of=/dev/sdd1
04:48:35john_maddler: writing to `/dev/sdd1': No space left on device
04:48:35john_63+0 records in
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04:48:35john_31744 bytes (32 kB) copied, 0.396261 seconds, 80.1 kB/s
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04:49:00john_should there be 3 partitions on my ipod
04:49:21linuxstbDid you unplug and reattach your ipod?
04:49:37john_i just did
04:49:48linuxstbNow you should see 2 partitions.
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04:57:44john__now that i have updated everything to i disconnect it
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04:59:08linuxstbYou've dd'ed the firmware and formatted the second partition as FAT32?
04:59:52john__mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sde2
05:00:10john__that is the command i did and it paused for a minute and then when to a prompt
05:00:11linuxstbThen yes, you can disconnect. Your ipod will then update it's firmware in flash, and you'll need to connect it to a charger whilst it does that.
05:00:25john__do i need to unmount the volume?
05:00:44linuxstbYes, if it's mounted.
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05:00:56john__it doesn't show up on my desktop
05:01:31linuxstbIf you just type "mount" by itself at the command-line it will tell you if it's mounted.
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05:02:31john__ok it flashed and now its at the menu
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05:03:46john__that worked, rockbox is installing now
05:03:50john__thank you very much!
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06:32:20AegisDrgnIs there anyway I can transfer the equalizer and gain settings, well basically, all the sound settings from my Sansa E280 running Rockbox to my computer? Music on the Rockbox sounds so much better than the same songs being piped out to the same headphones and equalizer settings that I tried to set as close to the ones in the Rockbox.
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06:33:24cool_walking_Probably not what you're after, but you can actually use Rockbox on your computer.
06:35:13AegisDrgnHmmm, I did consider that, but haven't tried it yet because I would like to stick with my current music player on my computer (Winamp)
06:35:55JdGordonno, you can copy the equaliser settings fairly easily, but you cant somehow magically make your computer use the rockbox EQ in some other app
06:37:14AegisDrgnDo you have some tips on how I can copy those EQ settings? I know it shows up as numerical values in Rockbox, but Winamp and itunes just uses a bar =/
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06:45:04LloreanAegisDrgn: Really, you should be asking Winamp people. Something like "I now the Q, gain, and frequency, but your equalizer doesn't allow me to set specific values. Help."
06:45:39AegisDrgnAh, my bad.
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06:46:59AegisDrgnAlrighty, thanks for the help and keep up the good work!
06:47:06AegisDrgnGood luck the Google's Summer of Coding!
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06:57:20JdGordon1200 bytes on the nano, but only 252 in the video/4gcolor?
06:57:55JdGordonah, its the ram stuff
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08:03:46JdGordonr16535 :) is it going to go back to r0 next commit? :p
08:04:16*JdGordon idiot... its 65535.. not 16
08:05:42LloreanOnly 49000 revisions to go. :-P
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08:26:47pondlifeJdGordon: You're definitely not colourblind, right...? ;p
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08:50:24JdGordonpondlife: oh bloody hell
08:50:55*JdGordon fucked it :p
08:51:19JdGordonthat bloody hell was to the error, not the letting me know :p
08:52:18*scorche looks up who committed the red to the tree
08:52:22scorche...both times ;)
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08:53:49JdGordonboth times?
08:54:30scorcheboth times.
08:54:51JdGordonthe whole 2 times since r1?
08:55:08scorcheas far as the tree shows
08:55:14JdGordonits a table
08:55:58*scorche moved this pointless jabbing to -community
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08:58:04JdGordon[18:57:56] <scorche> and if so, populate the tree a bit more with red and yellow to make it more autumny
08:58:13JdGordonok /me commits a known red compile :D
08:58:22*scorche sighs
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08:59:32GodEaterperhaps a cup of tea
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09:15:16pondlifeGodEater: Good idea....
09:15:19*pondlife sips tea
09:15:32GodEaterstripwax is coming along tonight btw
09:15:40GodEaterhe replied to my facebook message
09:15:49pondlifeWow, might be 5 of us, right?
09:15:56GodEaterthat could be a record :D
09:15:59pondlifeThat's almost a quorum
09:16:11pondlifeWe can start to make dictatorial decisions.
09:16:29GodEatersurely if there's a group of us, it's not dictatorial by definition ?
09:16:55pondlifeSorry, you are correct.
09:17:02scorcheseriously though...a couple more and it could be a true devcon
09:17:12pondlifeMore tea required...
09:17:30*GodEater has had a caffeine free week so far
09:17:36GodEaterthe first few days weren't pleasant
09:17:42GodEaterI'm getting the hang of it now though
09:17:49pondlifeunpleasant and OT...
09:18:08GodEatertopic police
09:18:47pondlifeJust be grateful I'm not a forum mod
09:19:27peturis anybody with an ipod nano interested in testing 8644 for me?
09:19:32GodEateryou are...
09:19:47pondlifeShh, I don't use those powers
09:19:56pondlifeNot enough hours in the day
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09:45:09skbohrahi everyone
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09:47:14pondlifeJdGordon: It is
09:47:27pondlife(Well, not that I've attended a non-pub one.)
09:48:01SMB-Chmmrhi all
09:49:54SMB-Chmmrjust got a quick quesiton, when you open a playlist you've made (in rockbox) in notepad, it has a character that comes up as a box at the end of each file location, can anyone tell me what that character is?
09:50:59scorcheSMB-Chmmr: which program are you opening it with?
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09:52:35scorchewindows uses a different new line control characters than rockbox (and*nix) does
09:54:14SMB-Chmmrok, thanks
09:54:15scorchenotepad inst too smart in this regard
09:54:17*petur thinks we should be compatible
09:54:24GodEaterwith what ?
09:54:33peturnevermind me
09:54:39pondlifeSMB-Chmmr: Wordpad might work, or even better get Notepad++
09:54:49SMB-Chmmrwill have a look, thanks
09:54:58GodEaterWordpad does work
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09:55:57pixelmahmm.. I'm not sure it is only line-endings. If I remember correctly notepad just ignores lf and would write everything on one "line"
09:55:57SMB-Chmmris there any playlist creators?
09:56:16scorcheSMB-Chmmr: there are *tons* of m3u creating programs out there
09:56:39SMB-Chmmroh so if i created them in winamp they would work in rockbox with a little editing?
09:56:48pixelmabut I don't have a better idea currently
09:56:53GodEaterthey shouldn't need editing at all
09:57:02scorchepixelma: well, there is a way to test..
09:57:16*pixelma goes testing
09:57:19scorcheSMB-Chmmr: assuming you save it as m3u and not pls
09:57:38SMB-ChmmrGodEater: winamp will have it having a drive letter "C:/My Music/Rock/Blah.mp3", i wouldn't have to take the C: out?
09:58:21scorcheSMB-Chmmr: rockbox will strip the drive letter assuming you stil have /My Music/Rock/Blah.mp3 , it will work fine
09:58:35SMB-Chmmroh beautiful, that frees up what i had planned for tomorrow :)
10:01:54pixelmaresult: line-endings are lf (as notepad++ tells me) and plain notepad writes everything on one line for me...
10:02:56SMB-Chmmri'm going to try a winamp playlist, and see how it goes :)
10:03:05peturpondlife: edlin was already gone in w2k...
10:03:17*petur thinks
10:03:27scorcheSMB-Chmmr: happen to see what number that char is?
10:03:27pondlifeHmm, I thought I had it until recently
10:03:44*petur should check before stating :/
10:03:48pondlifeWe still have debug though, the ultimate editor (for small files)
10:04:02SMB-Chmmrscorche: what do u mean sorry?
10:04:45SMB-Chmmrwell the winamp playlist worked beautifully thanks heaps guys :)
10:05:31scorchehrm...i just made a playlist in rockbox and it is all on one line as it should be, i suppose
10:05:37scorcheSMB-Chmmr: what operating system?
10:06:16pixelmascorche: I already said that ;)
10:07:11scorchepixelma: your words, i assumed you meant that you created a file with just LF in notepad++ and then opened it in notepad
10:07:57pixelmaI meant a Rockbox created playlist, sorry I didn't mention it
10:09:25scorchewell, it is bedtime for me a couple of hours ago, so...
10:09:32SMB-Chmmrnight scorche
10:10:06scorcheSMB-Chmmr: i dont respond to CTCPs ;)
10:10:13SMB-Chmmrahh :P
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10:25:51pixelmagevaerts: is the screendump feature in Rockbox safe to use on a c200 safe to use now (build is not USB enabled)?
10:26:49pixelmawithout the second "safe to use"...
10:26:55gevaertspixelma: yes. It's safe with or without USB build
10:27:28pixelmanice, thanks.
10:29:22amiconnRockbox should probably create .m3u files with crlf. It does support both line ending formats for reading,
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10:45:03peturamiconn: do you have an ipod nano? I'm doing battery bencmarks on H10 and if those turn out ok and ipod nano works ok the CF mode patch could be committed
10:46:32pixelmaI only know of preglow, and some of the Americans having a Nano
10:47:19pixelma(didn't want to ping everyone...)
10:47:24peturah ok
10:48:26CaptainSquidwhat is cf mode?
10:48:44peturdid H10 battery performance get better lately or did the guy who posted his benchmark have a bad battery. I got a little over 7 hours...
10:48:58gevaertsHow uptodate is the RockboxTesting usually ?
10:49:12*gevaerts inserts a "page" there
10:49:24peturCaptainSquid: make Rockbox love CF cards (used when replacing hdd's wih them)
10:51:21SMB-Chmmrbye all, thanks for your help
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10:52:05CaptainSquidand why is an nano affected then? i mean, how (and why) would you replace nanos flash with a cf card?
10:53:31peturfor the nano, the ata_soft_reset() was removed because it didn't work, and when testing CF's I saw the same. Now it is fixed, it must be tested on the nano to see if it works there too
10:53:58peturseems the nano flash behaves like a CF card
10:54:07CaptainSquidah, ok
10:54:22peturthey probably just merged the internals of a CF card on the pcb
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10:57:07gevaertsThat was probably the easiest way to get ata everywhere
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11:08:12amiconnpetur: I'd like to see the power management problem solved without hackish cf detection
11:08:58peturamiconn: me too, but so far I haven't found anything... got any idea's left?
11:10:16amiconnWhat's the problem with setting that feature, even if it returns an error?
11:11:02peturso you consider ignoring the error better than not setting it?
11:11:33peturthe error when setting it is all theat goes wrong
11:11:47peturthe card gives an immediate ABRT
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11:12:37amiconnI think it could work that we try setting the feature, and if the device returns an error, modify identify_info so that we don't try again
11:13:24peturhmmm and that is less hackish? :p
11:13:41amiconnWell, it doesn't rely on unrelated information
11:14:22amiconnBut I'm still not convinced that we're doing everything correct. If the card states that it supports advanced power management yet it errors when we try to enable it, there must be something we've overlooked....
11:17:49peturI already spent more hours than I wanted looking at it :/
11:18:16gevaertspetur: want to try usb ;) ?
11:18:53*petur wasted enough time on that too
11:21:02gevaertsThere's still plenty of time wasting to share
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11:38:36markuna friend just tells me there is a 3 page article in linux journal about rockbox on the ipod
11:38:56mrkikoHow much victim had rockbox? How much player have you broken while develping playing with dangerous things such as usb & power management^
11:39:01mrkiko* ?? **
11:40:05gevaertsUSB isn't dangerous.
11:40:50markunslasheri bricked his player while trying to flash his firmware, but linusn later fixed it for him
11:42:01mrkikohufff.. iRivers are bad from this point of view, I know...
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11:44:30markunaccording to the article we claim that the ipod's music quality is better with rockbox compared to apple's OS...
11:44:58skbohrahi everyone
11:45:15markunhi skbohra
11:45:54skbohrai m new to rockbox
11:46:08markunfrom the article: "What's cooler than a box of rocks? Well, a lot, but not much is cooler than Rockbox on your iPod!" :)
11:46:44markunskbohra: well, welcome
11:46:53markundo you like it so far?
11:47:19skbohrai will apply for rockbox in gsoc
11:47:52markundo you know which area of rockbox you would like to work on?
11:48:17skbohramay be its user interface, but not sure
11:48:56markundo you have a rockbox capable player?
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11:50:16skbohrano but some one suggested me gigabit f40 yesterday
11:50:52markunit's a pretty good player for it's price
11:51:08markunmostly 2nd hand players on ebay
11:51:19skbohrabut its difficult to get one here in india
11:51:47markunskbohra: will this help?
11:52:22markunof course you can go for the ultimate GSoC project and start porting rockbox to a new player ;)
11:53:12skbohraits really a challenging task for an individual
11:54:46skbohrabut my ultimate goal will be this!
11:55:31markunthere are so many unpredictable factors in doing a new port that I really don't know if it's something to do over the summer.
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11:55:47markunbut maybe if you have the right skills and a lot of time to work on it..
11:56:43skbohraya looked at its wiki
11:58:51skbohramy passion is growing towards it
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11:59:30skbohrais there any indian rockbox contributor i can get help from
11:59:54skbohraif any body can tell me
12:02:08markunnon of the most active members is from india
12:02:46markunmaybe you can find someone here:">
12:04:26peturwow... mceulenaere is from Belgium?
12:05:19peturnot very far from my home to be exact
12:05:47markunpetur: you couldn't guess from the name?
12:06:49petur:) but lots of people with dutch sounding names actually live in the US
12:07:20markunskbohra: there is a committer called "Hardeep Sidhu", I guess it's an indian name, right?
12:07:31gevaertspetur: time to move the rockbox center of gravity from Sweden to Belgium ?
12:07:36skbohraya its indian name
12:07:42pixelmamarkun: I believe he is from the US though
12:09:09linuxstbAnd I can't remember the last time he was around...
12:09:43markunskbohra: rockbox development is in english anyway, so maybe a good opportunity to practice :)
12:10:33markunlinuxstb: probably years ago
12:10:34skbohrai have problem with english, i believe
12:11:01linuxstbSo do lots of native English speakers
12:11:27markunskbohra: many of us don't speak perfect english (like me for example)
12:11:46skbohrai forgot to put a "no" near problem
12:11:52markunbut I couldn't convince the rest to use esperanto...
12:11:53pixelmaI think "crzyboyster" in the forums is from India but he only contributed some "ports" of the cabbiev2 theme so far. His real name is Apoorva Mahajan IIRC
12:12:11markunskbohra: ah ;)
12:12:35markunskbohra: were you going to ask him for help buying a player?
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12:25:51skbohrathere is no player which is in production supports rockbox!
12:27:18peturproduct lifetime of mp3 players seems to be around 1 year...
12:27:36mrkikopeter: wow... I'm very very far ...
12:29:27skbohraso i think more developers are needed to make things happen quickly
12:30:07markunaren't the sansa's in production?
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12:30:26peturv2 now I suppose
12:30:35markunskbohra: do you know a player that is in production (besides ipods) rockbox could be ported to?
12:31:52skbohra"creative" zen
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12:32:51linuxstbThe Cowon D2 seems a promising new port - and still available...
12:33:09linuxstbBut quite expensive...
12:33:36markunis the m:robe 500 out of production?
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12:36:43markunlinuxstb: what do you think about a realaudio gsoc proposal?
12:38:11markunthe first stage would be to add support for the container and make it play ac3 based realaudio files, then try to port the cook codec.
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12:40:22linuxstbYes, seems a feasible project. There's also an ATRAC decoder in ffmpeg, and that's used in high bitrate RA files.
12:41:07markuncan you think of other codecs we would like to have?
12:42:38gevaertsDo we have .au ?
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12:50:05gevaertsA bit more seriously, gsm doesn't seem to be supported, but I don't think many people are complaining about that
12:52:50linuxstbmarkun: For me, realaudio (cook) is the only one I would use if it exists. I guess there are lots of game/tracker/etc formats we don't support, but I know nothing about those.
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13:14:05pondlifeDOH! I just had normal playback repeat a track on rebuffering.
13:14:26pondlifei.e. it played track 7 again, claiming it was track 8.
13:14:49pondlifeSeems that silly race condition remains on the device, but not seen on the sim.
13:14:49pixelmaand the next track (that was supposed to play) was skipped?
13:15:17pondlifeBut it claimed to be at 8 of 9 in the playlist, so probably won't play the last track
13:15:23pondlifeWe'll see...
13:16:16pondlifeLooks like the fix I did in r16459 was just making a bad condition much less likely, but not fixing the underlying problem.
13:16:29pondlifeMaybe I'll revert it locally and poke further.
13:16:34pondlifeNot today though
13:16:52pixelmajust asked because I experienced this somewhen in January twice but couldn't find a way to reproduce though
13:17:14pondlifeThe same symptoms as I was getting on sim before (reproducibly)
13:17:37pondlifeYes. It was one out and stopped playback
13:18:09pondlifei.e. playing (and displaying ID3 for) track 7, claiming it as 8 of 9, then playing 8 as 9 of 9, then stopping
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14:17:59niskelI let my iPod run completely out of batteries by accident using Rockbox. Now when I plug the iPod into the computer, it does nothing. I can't seem to get it to charge.
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14:21:11gevaertsniskel: I believe you have to do some kind of hard reset, but as I don't have an ipod myself, I can't give you more details
14:21:52skbohrawhy don't you just charge it without pc i m sure it will work
14:22:10niskelskbohra: I have nothing to charge it with other than the USB cable
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14:23:27preglowniskel: just keep it inserted
14:23:36preglowit does charge
14:23:53skbohrai'm afraid u need one as you have ran out of power completely so now the pc may not detect it
14:24:14preglowfrom time to time you can try to hard reset by pressing "select" and "menu" and keeping them pressed for five secs
14:24:20pregloweventually it will start again, but might take some time
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14:24:52niskelskbohra, preglow, gevaerts: doing a hard reset with select and menu got it back up. Thanks!
14:25:03preglowwell, then there are no worries anyway :)
14:25:17preglowbut you should avoid charging it all the way out
14:25:51niskelpreglow: I /thought/ I turned it off... until I tried to have some tunes for the walk home from work yesterday :/
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14:35:18*Nico_P is almost ready to commit the improved cabbie v2 for the gigabeat
14:35:34Nico_Pafter finally getting photoshop to work with wine
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14:39:36fcnguywhat to do when people get jealous of you when you try to exercise and try to stop you in step of the way( bully you)? they basically want me to have a painful heart attack and die. i already have high cholesterol at age 21 and probably had since 18 or 19...? what to do?
14:41:27linuxstbNico_P: Can you correct the "kB/s" in the bitrate display in the gigabeat version of cabbiev2? Maybe kbit/s ?
14:41:40Nico_Plinuxstb: sure
14:42:12linuxstbAnd reduce the size of those silly icons down the bottom... ;)
14:42:49Nico_Pthat I can't do :)
14:42:54linuxstbAh, go on...
14:49:35Nico_Phmm the SVN version has a mix of CR/LF and LF line terminators... nice :/
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14:55:56Nico_Pdone ! :)
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14:58:56LambdaCalculus37Morning, everyone!
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15:52:47linuxstbNico_P: Re: your last commit, why reduce the size of the font even more?
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15:58:18gevaertsIt seems that several plugins use some kind of malloc(), and they all have their own implementation. Would it be useful to unify those, or a "general" malloc implementation encourage its use too much ?
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16:07:05linuxstbMy feeling is that latter, but others have expressed a desire for some kind of malloc implementation in the plugin library.
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16:14:33gevaertsCurrently there seem to be 8 of them (chessbox, dict, midi, mpegplayer, rockboy, searchengine and zxbox). I guess most of those really need it. The problem as I see it with every plugin having its own malloc is that it probably increases the risk of bugs.
16:15:54pondlifeNico_P: I also would "vote" for a larger font...
16:16:29pondlifeI use Nimbus-14 with Cabbiev2.
16:17:29saratogaNico_P: mind if I add your changes to settings_list.c ?
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16:20:48pondlifeWow, Nimbus-14 is actually smaller than helvR12
16:20:59pondlifeVertically at least
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16:22:38pixelmathe helvR fonts are misnamed (in Rockbox terms), helvR12 is 14 pixels tall, nimbus-14 btw. is only nimbus-12 with 2 lines more spacing
16:22:54pixelma(so 14 pixels tall at least)
16:23:22pondlifeMaybe we should rename them?
16:23:34linuxstbpondlife: Just to break all the themes? ;)
16:23:40pondlifeAbsolutely :)
16:23:43linuxstbBut yes, why not ;)
16:24:12pixelmathere's also helvR10 which should then be helvR12 then ;)
16:24:18pondlifeAffected included themes would, of course, be updated.
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16:25:18pondlifeAlternatively, perhaps we could have a better font browser, allowing selection of a font family, then the sizes within. Somehow, without relying on filenames.
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16:26:01linuxstbFixing the filenames would seem easier...
16:26:30pixelmapondlife: I couldn't even imagine how that would work from your description
16:26:35pondlifeMe neiither!
16:26:49pondlifeIt was just a (bad) idea
16:27:11linuxstbpondlife: More importantly, what time do you think you'll arrive tonight?
16:27:42pondlifeAiming for 7pm
16:27:46pondlifeBut probably 7:30
16:28:00pondlifeDepends on the train to Paddington mainly
16:28:20pondlifeLast time I missed bus, then train. And tube was uber-sloe.
16:28:23pondlifeslow, even
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16:31:02pixelmaZagor: I figured out that I was looking at (without the trailing slash) and not to see the old menu (and the old recent activity dates)...
16:32:14pixelmaprobably opened from an old bookmark or so. But I wonder why the other exists
16:32:15Zagorwow, that is old...
16:32:23roolkupixelma: do you think crzyboyster's mrobe 100 version of cabbie is good enough and if you think it is okay would you mind committing it (even as a starting point) - I am not sure how the build system works these days
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16:34:18pixelmaroolku: I'll have a look and could commit (and maybe even tweak the graphics a bit before)
16:34:26Zagorpixelma: because the twiki cache creates it when you access it, but the "refresh cache" link refreshes the WebHome cache
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16:35:04Zagorthe twiki cache is far from perfect
16:35:05roolkupixelma: that would be great. :) Thanks
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16:35:53roolkupixelma: I am working slowly through the manual - pretty tedious. Makes me appreciate all the work that has gone into it.
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16:41:04pixelmaroolku: it often looks like a simple change, then you find out that if you edit a thing in one place it needs editing in another place and see a few errors on the way, etc... :)
16:42:23Horschtpeople should be prohibited to make mistakes!
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16:47:14LambdaCalculus37Horscht: That's human nature, though. You learn from your mistakes as well.
16:48:18Horschtpunny little humans
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16:51:34peturpixelma: indeed, ugent is about 5 kilometers from here, but it looks like vpn is used...
16:51:49petur(ugent = university of gent)
16:52:24pixelmayes, found it which is why I "asked"
16:52:46*petur has serious doubts about the real name entered by Mathiasdm - it's a brand of cookies :)
16:53:04Mathiasdmyes, and really good ones :D
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16:56:50LambdaCalculus37Mathiasdm: That's like eating your kitten.
16:57:08Mathiasdmoh my :o
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16:58:34pondlifeNico_P: Any hard drive yet?
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17:13:22roolkubagder: looks like the download mirrors don't pick up the new m:robe 100 bootloader - maybe a permission problem on ?
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17:22:56john_hey all
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17:23:40john_anyone around?
17:24:37advcomp2019john_, yea but you can say your issue
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17:31:23john_sorry.....i loaded a bunch of music onto my ipod and now it's not reading it in the database
17:31:41john_it says building database.....0 found
17:31:56john_but whenever i load it up in banshee it says i have 1300+ songs there
17:32:42Nico_Ppondlife: going to the post office now
17:34:30john_any idea why it is doing this?
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17:36:07john_is anyone even around?
17:36:28krazykitplease have patience; IRC doesn't stand for instant reply chat
17:37:20krazykitjohn_, have you tried deleting the database files (*.tcd in your .rockbox directory) and manually initializing the database? are you using the latest build?
17:37:54john_how do you manually initialize the database and yes I am using the curent build
17:38:24john_thanks for your reply
17:38:37krazykityou hold select on the database and choose Initialize Now
17:39:39john_alright i just deleted the tcd file
17:40:02john_now i will try the initialize now
17:40:41john_alrigth it is building the database but it did do this before
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17:42:12LambdaCalculus37john_: We're rebuilding your database.
17:42:47john_now whenever i click on database it says ... database not ready initiaze now
17:42:59john_i hit select and it says building database...0 found
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17:43:59john_so now there is nothing on there
17:44:03john_any idea what is going on?
17:45:42krazykiti'm not really familiar with the database, as i've never used it ;)
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17:47:22LambdaCalculus37john_: Are all of your tracks properly tagged?
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17:48:13Crash91How do i assist someone who has asked a question on the mailing list?
17:48:34Crash91as in:
17:49:01Crash91this problem happened to me and i think i may know the solution
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17:49:56john_Lamb : all my tracks show up on the apple firmware but once i replaced it with rockbox, nothing shows up
17:50:24john_any idea?
17:50:51LambdaCalculus37What codec? MP3? Vorbis? AAC?
17:51:27john_all my stuff is mp3
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17:52:41Crash91john_: do not show up as in file view? have you tried initializing the database
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17:53:20john_Crash91 : i click onthe database and it says 0 found....i deleted the tcd file and reinitialized it but still nothing
17:53:27krazykitCrash91, you email the list replying to that header. not sure how you do it if you're not subscribed to the list.
17:54:34Crash91krazykit: erm, well it would probably be eaiser for someone who can reply to reply for me?
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17:58:08Crash91can anyone reply for me please?
17:59:40peturyou cannot mail on the list unless you're subscribed
17:59:46peturit will just bounce
17:59:52LambdaCalculus37Crash91: Better go subscribe to the list.
18:00:08Crash91-.- no time!
18:00:43krazykitin the time you last asked and waited til saying that, you could've subscribed.
18:01:03LambdaCalculus37What's 5 minutes to go sign up on the list? A blip on the time stream, that is!
18:01:05Crash91the problem is most probably because the user recently copied a large file (usuallly one file, +500MB), if you delete it, you should be able to use the OF
18:01:27Crash91LambdaCalculus37: but i must go NOW! :)
18:01:37Crash91bye bye!
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18:02:10LambdaCalculus37He could subscribe when he has free time, or doesn't he know that?
18:04:28john_lamb : any idea what the hell is going on?
18:04:40john_it reads my database and then i reboot and it says 0?
18:05:25linuxstbHow are you rebooting?
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18:07:46john_holding in the play button and it says shutting down
18:08:17linuxstbOK. I was just checking you weren't resetting (holding MENU+SELECT together)
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18:09:30*linuxstb doesn't use the database and has no idea how to debug problems...
18:09:42john_alright thanks
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18:10:03*gevaerts now has rockbox on his gigabeat F
18:10:57toffe82gevaerts: are you going to work on the usb ont he F
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18:11:04linuxstbgevaerts: Welcome to the 300MHz club ;)
18:11:48gevaertsIt's slightly bigger than my c250
18:12:13gevaertstoffe82: probably, but not immediately. The PP usb support comes first
18:12:26linuxstbAm I right in thinking that usb host requires the cradle?
18:13:00gevaertsNo idea. Some of the information I saw seems to suggest that, but I'm not sure.
18:13:54toffe82the big usb connector on the cradle is direct to the cpu, the small one go through a hub
18:14:38gevaertsIt came with some music still on it. I got rid of that, but the OF database is still there. Can I safely remove those files as well ? (assuming I don't touch fwimg)
18:15:17linuxstbThere's a minimal gbsystem directory on the wiki somewhere, which removes all traces of the original firmware.
18:15:30linuxstbRockbox doesn't dual-boot on the gigabeat anyway...
18:15:53toffe82not the cpu
18:16:17LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: Here's what linuxstb was talking about:
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18:16:39LambdaCalculus37Those are dummy files which remove all traces of the OF.
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18:18:16scorche|sh ugh..."Because of this limitation I began researching what it would take to modify or enhance the Linux environment on the Gigabeat. This research led me to Rockbox. Rockbox is a Linux based firmware for various MP3 players."
18:19:02linuxstbObviously a great researcher...
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18:20:50scorche|shapparently that person writes for Tux magazine (it was from his blog)
18:20:51LambdaCalculus37Yes, so great that a comatose sea slug has more sense than he does.
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18:21:05LambdaCalculus37scorche|sh: Link?
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18:21:33Horschtsome people always assume opensource == linux based
18:22:34LambdaCalculus37This guy is rife with Golden Quotes.
18:22:39LambdaCalculus37Like this one: Browsing the Rockbox site, I discovered Rockbox was available for every generation of the Ipod.
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18:22:53scorche|shwell, at the time it was written, it could have been
18:23:06LambdaCalculus37*ahem* Except that there's no version for the nano 2G or 3G, or Classic, or Touch, OR Shuffle.
18:23:07linuxstbExcluding shuffles...
18:23:07*scorche|sh sees no dates
18:23:15gevaertsWell, Both linux and rockbox are GPLv2 strict, so they must be the same
18:23:18scorche|shah...those itty bitty ones :)
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18:24:29Horschtplus, both end in x, gevaerts
18:24:30*LambdaCalculus37 sees a 2005 copyright date on the bottom, but that can't be it
18:24:39linuxstbBut didn't the 1st/2nd gen support come after the 2nd Gen Nano was released?
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18:24:59Horschtyeah, 1st 2nd gen was septemeber 2007 iirc
18:25:18LambdaCalculus37Horscht: No, back in July 2007.
18:25:20Horscht"2007-09-191st and 2nd gen iPods are supported"
18:25:34linuxstbAnd the second gen Nano was September 2006 IIRC
18:25:50scorche|shso either way, he is wrong...
18:25:51Horschtyeah, escond gen nano is way older than july or september
18:26:01linuxstbSo no, even ignoring the shuffles we've never supported all ipod generations
18:26:12LambdaCalculus37Horscht: Major Changes states "2007-07-27: Sound on iPod 2nd Gen! (That's classic iPod, not nano!)"
18:26:41scorche|sheek...we might want to change that now with the "classic"
18:26:48HorschtLambdaCalculus37, states the above :p
18:27:15linuxstbApple stole the idea from us!
18:27:16Horscht"old bulky one" instead of classic?
18:27:26LambdaCalculus37scorche|sh: I'm on it.
18:28:15*gevaerts wants an iPhone shuffle
18:28:22*scorche|sh considers sending this giuy an email to correct him..
18:28:38*LambdaCalculus37 changed "classic" to "FireWire"
18:28:41gevaertsAlso ask him where he found that info
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18:29:16LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: Maybe from his bum! :)
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18:31:34gevaertsIs the battery charge info on gigabeat reliable ?
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19:02:19*Nico_P 's F40 is alive again thanks to pondlife! :D
19:03:15saratogaNico_P: your change to cabbie didn't change the default font
19:03:22saratogado you want me to change that to R12 as well?
19:03:32Nico_Psaratoga: you need to reload the theme
19:04:03*gevaerts now has to agree that cabbiev2 looks bad on sansa c200 compared to other players
19:04:06pixelmathe default...
19:04:11Nico_Pah crap
19:04:13saratogaNico_P: that only applies to someone loading cabbie
19:04:29Nico_Psaratoga: I wouldn't mind you correcting it for me then
19:04:39Nico_PI'm not sure what needs doing
19:05:38saratogai have the patch ready, just going to compile it first
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19:08:26Nico_Pthanks :)
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19:11:48LambdaCalculus37Why do we suddenly have multiple wiki pages just to show high-res scans of a TrekStor Beat?
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19:13:01*scorche|sh cringes at the page name
19:13:10scorche|shhave to get a swede to delete...
19:14:02*amiconn wonders why the TrashWeb doesn't work anymoe
19:14:20LambdaCalculus37And move the scans to the main page of the DAP.
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19:15:16amiconnSome Twiki update broke quite a number of useful functions (which weren't dangerous afaiu)
19:15:24gevaertsDid anyone already have a look at my usb cleanup patch in FS #8562 ?
19:15:50Horschtwhich of the rockboxable devices are HD based, and offer devices with sizes 60GB and up?
19:16:11Horschtappart from the ipod video
19:16:27amiconnOut of the box, or including upgradeable devices?
19:16:29scorche|shHorscht: stock as in without a larger replacement hard drive?
19:16:35pixelmasome IaudioX5s and Gigabeats, I believe
19:17:02pixelmawhich have 60GB models available
19:17:09scorche|shwhat she said then
19:17:31amiconnYes, iAudio X5 60GB, Gigabeat F60 and X60
19:17:39Horschtah, thank you.
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19:18:12amiconnThe Gigabeat S also has a 60GB model, but support is still in the works
19:19:23Horschtso... I am checking amazon for gigabeat, and they show me a sansa
19:19:56Horschtlooks like the gigabeat never was available here in germany :D
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19:20:48d3m0ndoes anyone know if its possible to change themes in the 5.5g ipod classic?
19:21:06LambdaCalculus37d3m0n: Yes.
19:21:08scorche|shrockbox doesnt support the classic...and the classic is the 6th gen..not 5.5
19:21:11BigBambid3m0n: Clasic is 6th gen, and doesnt run Rockbox
19:21:20BigBambiI always lose :(
19:21:21d3m0noh what a bummer
19:21:50d3m0ncant do nothin with it?
19:22:06d3m0nno good well thank you much :)
19:22:16*LambdaCalculus37 hates it when people confuse the iPod video with the iPod Classic
19:22:58d3m0nis there a way to tell between the 2?
19:23:02amiconnWell, the classic plays video, so it must be an ipod video, right? ;)
19:23:02*n1s loves the "nano video" model :D
19:23:10Horschtclassic has metal casing
19:23:17Horschti.e. brushed metal
19:23:21amiconnSame logic as why some people call the 3rd gen nano a "nano video"
19:23:34*gevaerts likes his sansa c200 video
19:23:38d3m0nmines metal in back and black in front
19:23:48scorche|shoh...then it isnt a classic
19:23:48d3m0nshiney chrome
19:24:02scorche|shwhat size?
19:24:06LambdaCalculus37d3m0n: Plastic black or aluminum black?
19:24:06d3m0n80 gb
19:24:14scorche|shthen you do have a 5.5 gen :)
19:24:17d3m0nfeels like plastic
19:24:20Horschtshiny black, or brushed metal?
19:24:31d3m0nno its a dull black
19:24:33scorche|shwell, if it is 2 different colors, then it is a video
19:24:41LambdaCalculus37Dull black is a Classic.
19:24:48LambdaCalculus37You're out of luck.
19:24:49Horschtyeah, scorche|sh
19:24:56Horschtclassics are also chrome on the back
19:25:05scorche|sheh?....since when?
19:25:09*scorche|sh googles
19:25:10Horschtsince... always
19:25:24LambdaCalculus37scorche|sh: My brother and sister each have Classics.
19:25:29LambdaCalculus37They're chrome on the back.
19:25:31*scorche|sh walks away in shame
19:25:37Horschtnah, it's okay
19:25:53d3m0nso i have the evil classic huh
19:26:04LambdaCalculus37And that means no Rockbox for you. Sorry.
19:26:07Horscht80Gb, shiney chrome back can be either classic or video.
19:26:18Horschtsince he said dull black, it's brushed metal, making it a classic
19:26:20d3m0nthat sucks lol
19:26:45amiconnAll fullsize ipods <= 5.5th Gen have a chrome back, and the Nano 1st Gen too
19:26:47*pixelma is reminded of the comparison picture that was on wikipedia for a while (and wanted to put that into the Rockbox wiki)
19:27:24pixelmastill have it here but it was taken down and I'm not sure about the license now
19:27:33scorche|shd3m0n: sorry for the confusion
19:27:40d3m0nnot a problem
19:27:46d3m0nthis is why i come to u peoples :)
19:28:10Horschtleft is classic, right is video
19:28:35LambdaCalculus37d3m0n: Left or right? Which looks the most like yours?
19:28:44d3m0ndo the last digits of serial help?
19:28:59pixelmaHorscht: that's even a different one...
19:29:12LambdaCalculus37d3m0n: Well, which OF looks like yours?
19:29:17Horschthuh? no. it's a white video vs a sliver classic, pikhq_
19:29:21Horschtpixelma even
19:29:24d3m0nleft looks mroe like it
19:29:40pixelmaHorscht: I meant the picture ;)
19:30:09Horschtsorry, what?
19:30:17d3m0nmine has the split screen
19:30:28d3m0nthe left one
19:30:55*amiconn kicks the build system
19:31:04gevaertsApple says a classic will have a serial number ending in Y5N, YMU, YMV, or YMX
19:31:15pixelmaHorscht: you found a different comparison picture than the one I wanted to put into the wiki (see a few lines up) :)
19:31:30d3m0nyeah its a classic
19:31:36Horschtnow i understand
19:31:44LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Which models do you need comparisons of?
19:31:59d3m0nwell thanks everyone for the help :)
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19:32:49HorschtI wonder why everyone loves the classic/touch cover flow so much
19:32:58pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: the ones we are talking about right now... wanted to put that on the IdentifyPlayer to make it easier for people to find out...
19:33:02Horschtit looks nice, but it's a pain to find stuff you want
19:33:44LambdaCalculus37pixelma: I can snap a picture of my video and a Classic side-by-side later on tonight, if your want..
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19:33:59Horschti do realy like the vortex game that comes on the classic/nano 3rdgen
19:34:23Horschtwould probably help for the wiki
19:34:26LambdaCalculus37Horscht: Everyone likes it because it's "pretty".
19:35:13gevaerts has some useful info
19:35:17HorschtI hope your classic and video have the same color, LambdaCalculus37, else people will think white=classic black=video or something
19:36:24LambdaCalculus37Horscht: My iPod video is black, and the Classics are both silver.
19:36:35LambdaCalculus37But a snapshot of the OF will be enough to show people the differences.
19:36:38Horschtboth? damn, you're rich, aren't you?
19:36:59LambdaCalculus37Horscht: The Classics aren't mine.
19:37:10LambdaCalculus37They belong to my brother and sister.
19:37:31pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: would be good if we could just point people to a wiki page...
19:37:36Horschtah, i see. would they miss them? :p
19:38:22LambdaCalculus37Horscht: We're all under the same roof.
19:38:27LambdaCalculus37But I digress.
19:38:41LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Let me look at Wikipedia.
19:38:58LambdaCalculus37Found this image:
19:39:08gevaertsWhich is the pause key on gigabeat ?
19:39:26Horschttiny picture is tiny
19:39:32LambdaCalculus37The author of the image says "I release this photo for all fair uses."
19:39:33scorche|shgevaerts: lowest side button is play/pause, but the manual cna tell you that ;)
19:40:01Horschtbut a good picture. lighting is good
19:40:05LambdaCalculus37Oh wait, same pic. :P
19:40:38Horschtyeah, but its bigger now (you magically increased the size!)
19:41:15gevaertsscorche|sh: are you sure ? I didn't find it (the manual seems very incomplete)
19:41:30*scorche|sh checks
19:41:45pixelmaLambdaCalculus37, Horscht: yeah, that's the one I knew of, but I had it bookmarked and it must have been not available for a while and so I thought it was taken down for copyright reasons
19:42:21*gevaerts considers getting another forum account to ask newbie questions
19:42:45pixelmathe gigabeat manual seems broken currently
19:42:58pixelmaothers too
19:43:11roolkuoops. I hope it wasn't me
19:43:28pixelmaI'll have a look
19:43:47gevaertsThat would explain it...
19:43:55pixelmagevaerts: maybe try an older manual from
19:44:20scorche|shgevaerts: 4.3.1
19:44:24gevaertsI'm building it here now to see what's wrong
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19:44:43scorche|shpixelma: must just be the server you got...i got it fine
19:44:59pixelmaah no, wrong link
19:45:03LambdaCalculus37Nope, the Gigabeat manual is broken here.
19:45:05gevaertsscorche|sh: the html one on the site stops at 4.1.3
19:45:25LambdaCalculus37All of the Archos players, too.
19:45:32pixelmascorche|sh: the manuals don't seem complete
19:46:05amiconnBagder: ping
19:46:11LambdaCalculus37pixelma: The Archos ones are all broken.
19:46:26pixelmaI'll have a look
19:46:36gevaertsAnd it doesn't seem to build here. I think I built the c200 manual a few weeks ago, so my system should have all needed tools
19:46:51scorche|shi see the html one does look broken, however the pdf version i just got sure looks complete to me
19:47:37pixelmathat would be a weird thing
19:48:36gevaertsMaybe the pdf one just doesn't get written at all if it fails, so the old one stays ?
19:50:13pixelmayeah, the pdf states that it is the manual of March 5th
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19:51:41n1sI think I found it
19:51:54roolkuI think I broke it, but not sure what the fix is
19:52:00amiconnThe extra comma?
19:52:51n1sthe section describing the hold switch etc in the description of the mrobe isn't properly opted
19:53:34amiconnThere's also a trailing comma in line 193 here:;r2=16533
19:53:53amiconnNot sure whether tex is that picky...
19:54:03n1sOk I have a fix
19:54:14gevaertsThat comma seems to solve it here
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19:55:44roolkuthere is an MROBE100_PAD missing after the ,
19:55:57n1sOk, I'll add it
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20:00:04*gevaerts now rushes to the forum, registers a new account, and asks the same question there, swearing he has read the manual...
20:00:26gevaertsMaybe ask it in the wrong section as well ?
20:01:06scorche|shgevaerts: which question is that?
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20:01:22*amiconn thinks there should be some interface to trigger a manual build, at least if the regular manual builds failed for some reason
20:01:44gevaertsscorche|sh: the one about play/pause ;)
20:01:56pixelmawould be nice (broken manuals already happened a few times)
20:02:14scorche|shgevaerts: well, it is in the older pdf manual ;)
20:02:35*gevaerts thinks the manual should be built automatically and show up on dev.cgi, just like the rest
20:02:36scorche|shoh...and make sure to say "hai u guyz"
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20:03:31pixelmamaybe an own build table for the manuals and a new build only triggered on commits to the manual section?
20:03:55amiconngevaerts: The manual builds aren't distributed
20:03:57pixelmajust brainstorming here
20:04:04LambdaCalculus37scorche|sh: How about also adding "i haz mp3 plyrz"? :P
20:04:22n1smaybe a bit overkill but at least something that tells us it's broken would be nice
20:04:29*gevaerts goes to have dinner now. Will do the forum post after that ;)
20:04:43amiconnAlso, building the manual requires a lot of stuff not needed for normal builds, and that stuff can be quite tricky to set up
20:05:01*amiconn never managed to build the html manual
20:05:07*n1s still cant build html so agrees with amiconn fully :D
20:05:09amiconnpdf sort-of works
20:06:01pixelmaprobably amiconn's first suggestion still would be the best solution
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20:07:38amiconnn1s: Sort-of as in that the pdf is created in the manual/ subfolder, but not moved up one level as it seems to be intended, and also 'make' returns with an error
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20:08:31n1samiconn: that it is not moved to the correct location is a symptom of a build error I get that behaviour on errors too
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20:08:44n1sI presume you have an up to date makefile?
20:08:45pixelmaI _occasionally_ have this one level up problem but sometimes it works as intended
20:09:02pixelmawithout other build errors
20:09:26n1sit always works here unless I have errors
20:09:32pixelmaamiconn: "make manual" is mandatory now
20:09:40amiconnI know
20:10:05amiconnAnd my manual makefiles are always up to date because I don't keep manual build folders
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20:11:05n1sso what is the error you get?
20:14:35amiconnStrange... now it works
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20:16:55amiconnHmm, html works too (on linux)
20:17:38*amiconn wonders whether it would be possible to make the manual build log understandable
20:18:37*amiconn tries cygwin
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20:19:59n1shtml works here too now
20:21:16amiconnCygwin doesn't work at all now
20:21:29amiconnIt wants the file "utf8x.def"
20:22:10pixelmathat has to do with the unicode support
20:23:07pixelmaI have no problems building on cygwin (except the html manual because I could never figure out how to manually set up the tex4ht packege :\ )
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20:37:28roolkubagder: I think there is a permission problem on
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20:39:55*gevaerts uses too long variable names. They clash with the 80-column requirement
20:41:00gevaertsWhere should I split a line like 'static struct usb_string_descriptor __attribute__((aligned(2))) usb_string_charging_only ='
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20:48:36amiconnMake shorter variable names....
20:48:48*markun has a headache from looking at disassembled firmwares
20:49:09amiconnYou could also invent a macro for __attribute__((aligned(2))) as that's needed quite often
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20:50:24gevaertsI could also make it non-static ;)
20:51:43*LambdaCalculus37 gives markun an aspirin
20:52:18LambdaCalculus37markun: Been looking at the Meizu firmware? :)
20:53:49pixelmasomeone with a c200 currently around who would like to test sokoban? Just want to make sure it's not too hard on the eyes as the graphics are ...tiny. I think on my display it looks quite ok now
20:54:43LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Will update and test now.
20:55:00pixelmait's not committed yet...
20:55:31LambdaCalculus37I'll test it when it's committed, then.
20:55:32*gevaerts volunteers as well
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20:56:19pixelmaeasiest and quickest would be if I could send someone the sokoban.rock I compiled for me, I guess
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20:58:00LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Want to email it to me and gevaerts?
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21:01:18*gevaerts is playing sokoban now
21:02:03LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: How does it look on the c200?
21:02:26gevaertsTiny, but I think it's playable
21:02:45*LambdaCalculus37 waits for the email from pixelma
21:03:04pixelmait has a different colour scheme than the other colour versions because that was unusable...
21:03:22gevaertsMaybe the yellow "target squares" should contrast a bit more with the background
21:03:54pixelmathat's actually rockbox orange but looks more yellow here too
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21:05:41pixelmaplayed quite a bit with colours and contrast, I think the display makes it harder to get something usable at that size
21:07:25markunLambdaCalculus37: thanks, and yes
21:07:46markunwell, more at a demo firmware from Samsung
21:09:04LambdaCalculus37markun: How's that going so far?
21:09:39markunat the moment I'm trying to find all the register addresses
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21:10:06markunthere are some debug prints in the firmware which help with that
21:10:21markunthings like "PLL setup" etc
21:10:44*LambdaCalculus37 loves when companies forget to remove all of the debug output from their firmware :)
21:11:11markunand when they don't encrypt their firmwares
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21:11:43LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Quite tiny... reminds me of a colorized version of the JBR sokoban.
21:11:47gevaertsThis c200 LCD needs different brighness/contrast settings for different usages. Increasing the brighness setting a bit and lowering the contrast setting a bit makes sokoban look a lot better (at the expense of my nice rockbox_default theme)
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21:13:12gevaertsIt seems that sokoban needs about the same LCD settings as cabbiev2 to look good, so I think it's fine
21:13:21LambdaCalculus37Me too.
21:13:41LambdaCalculus37The colors work well against the dark background of cabbiev2.
21:14:23LambdaCalculus37pixelma: I say the graphics work well with the default theme.
21:14:28pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: c200 can use 5x5 tiles, the Archos only uses 4x4... but yes, I was looking at my Ondio for inspiration...
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21:15:03pixelmathanks for testing :)
21:15:10LambdaCalculus37You're welcome. :)
21:16:53pixelmanot sure when I'll commit yet because I want to make some more graphics too (better sized ones for the Nano and Mini which unnecessarily uses the Archos "graphics" currently for example)
21:18:25pixelmawould be good if I could do that all at once but maybe could be done one by one...
21:19:45gevaertsActually on c200 it looks less tiny than on gigabeat. They are about the same absolute size on screen, but since the gigabeat screen is much bigger (mostly higher) it seems different
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21:21:30pixelmayes, the gigabeat uses 9x9 tiles now and *could* use 12x12 ones and I want to prepare that as well. Also the c200 forced me to a new colour scheme, maybe the other ones should use it too?
21:21:32*gevaerts goes back to making his code look tiny
21:22:35gevaertsMaybe. They probably need to be side by side to be sure
21:23:49pixelmawill probably still look different even if I use the same palette
21:24:03gevaertsThat can't be helped I guess
21:25:39pixelmaindeed, just thinking that a redish thing on green background is always a bit hard to read/see (like in the current versions)
21:27:27gevaertsYes. The main problem on the gigabeat is that the crate-pusher is hard to see. The crates and target-squares are fine
21:29:17*gevaerts wants to finish a HID driver for the c200 and USB host on the gigabeat, so he can use the c200's keypad as a remote for the gigabeat
21:30:04LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: You're crazy. :D
21:30:21gevaertsWhy ? Other players have remotes...
21:30:42LambdaCalculus37I was just kidding. :)
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21:30:52amiconnMake the c200 host too...
21:30:53pixelmathe gigabeat has a (non-LCD) remote as well
21:31:21LambdaCalculus37Actually, using the c200 as a Gigabeat remote would be really cool looking.
21:31:49Beta2KMake doom easier to play
21:32:01gevaertsIt would require some custom cabling since the USB host pins are only available on the dock connector
21:32:42Beta2Ktoffe82 found the connectors
21:34:04*gevaerts gets to work. The sooner this PP USB is finished, the sooner Gigabeat host can get started
21:35:23*amiconn is going to bisect the 1st/2nd Gen binary
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21:50:31LearGah, data abort when trying to seek in a file (causing a rebuffer)...
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22:03:14Stripwax_GodEater - where are you?? DevConPub is underway..
22:04:14gevaertsStripwax_: built any towers yet ?
22:04:19*bluebrother wonders if there will be "live" images ...
22:04:31Stripwax_Yes but no camera!
22:05:29bluebrothertoo bad. So we won't see the tower at all?
22:05:41BigBambiDo a drawing :)
22:05:47*gevaerts runs to the station with his camera. London is only maybe 6 hours away by train...
22:07:20pixelmaask some bystanding tourists (convince them it's a new sight) ;)
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22:07:58gevaertsThere must be someone with a camera phone nearby
22:09:30pixelmathe "Leaning Tower of Rockbox"
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22:21:49LearThere are ways to stream live via a mobile phone with a camera...
22:21:51amiconnI thought the problem would be data alignment, but it rather seems to be code alignment...
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22:27:07BigBambiStripwax_: Persmission issues
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22:28:21saratogahas anyone else noticed that it takes quite a while for the Sansa backlight to come on when you push a button?
22:29:30gevaertssaratoga: not on my c250
22:30:50*Stripwax_ sighs
22:31:34saratogaon the e200 its quite noticable
22:31:41saratogaabout 1-2 seconds
22:31:55amiconnIt seems to depend on certain settings, not on target
22:32:42amiconnIt's been reported for all sorts of targets, but I don't see it on any of my targets
22:34:02saratogai presumed it was because we power off the entire LCD on the sansa
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22:34:20*gevaerts forgot to disable USB_SERIAL in his last commit...
22:35:10Learsaratoga: I see it too. Apparently a threading/priority issue, according to jhMikeS (IIRC).
22:35:47Stripwax_Try now. It looks like turd, mind. I blame tmobile
22:36:30BigBambiStripwax_: A fine tower :)
22:38:13gevaertsHow many players are in there ?
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22:39:09bluebrotherstripwax: nice tower. Too bad the image isn't better
22:39:40*gevaerts wonders why the aspect ratio seems off
22:40:56saratogahmm my file brower isn't working
22:41:00saratogabut database works fine
22:41:05saratogaanyone noticed this before
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22:52:54pixelmasaratoga: maybe you managed to change your file view to playlists or so? But I don't know exactly what you mean by "my file browser isn't working"...
22:53:17amiconnOkay, the PP5002 crash problem is definitely located in thread.c
22:53:52amiconnNow one can see there is a reason why I always complain about the complexity in the scheduler :\
22:54:15gevaertsComplexity _anywhere_ is suspicious
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23:00:10saratogapixelma: thanks
23:00:38saratogaLear: pausing music seems to eliminate the long pause for back light on my sansa, while playing high bitrate mp3s can make it last as long as 4 seconds
23:00:45saratogaso it would seem to be a scheduling issue
23:00:54saratogaperhaps the backlight thread needs a higher priority
23:01:49n1sIt seems to me that since the prio scheduler was introduced we have slowly been bumping the priority for more and more threads...
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23:11:24amiconnProblem further tracked down: it's within switch_thread()
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23:11:43*petur gets reminded of a young rookie at work introducing different priorities in a project to solve issues that turned out to have completely diifferent causes, and using priorities brought loads of extra troubles....
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23:15:19BagderI've been through that exact experience
23:15:37Bagder"what if we put the jobs in different queues based on prio"...
23:16:26gevaertsOnce people ask "what does priority mean ?", they starts to understand
23:17:08amiconnBagder: I pinged you earlier... do you have an idea why the build system sometimes doesn't pick up commits?
23:17:21Bagderbut I've seen it happen
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23:17:48amiconnr16539 wasn't picked up...
23:18:09amiconnDoes it perhaps check file types?
23:18:18amiconnThat commit only included .S files
23:19:15Bagderno, it just does "svn up | ./tools/"
23:19:35Bagderand if that is non-empty, it is taken as a commit worthy of a rebuild
23:21:03Bagderyeah, and annoying too...
23:25:36amiconnAre there some logs?
23:28:26amiconnBagder: Also, what do you think about some interface to manually kick manual builds? (see log 20:01)
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23:30:03Bagdershouldn't be very hard to setup
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23:40:42peturamiconn: I tested setting powermanagement right after reset as first command - same error. Now I'm wondering if I should issue something before setting powermanagement. Would have been nice if word 85 was filled in, but it is 0 :/
23:41:14amiconnWhat card is that?
23:41:37peturadata 8gb x266
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23:47:27amiconnDo you know which of your cards fail on setting apm?
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23:49:31peturI think they all do... was one of the very first things I tried
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23:49:54peturthe strange thing is there have been reports of adata cards working fine
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23:51:00peturI think I'll borrow some cards from work for the weekend
23:51:11amiconnWhat irritates me is that word 85 is all-zero, although the (non-advanced) power management features should be enabled since it's mandatory...
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23:53:08amiconnAnd word 82 bit 3 indicates that power management is supported
23:53:15peturyes, but 0 is allowed if not supported. I hate the fact that they are allowed to just not fill in certain values
23:54:02amiconnThe card indicates that it conforms to ata-4 ...
23:54:19*amiconn only has ata-5, 6 and 7 standards as pdf
23:54:34petursome bits *must* be set in 85, so they are violating the spec :/
23:55:03amiconnWell, unless ata-4 allows to leave them out...
23:55:03*petur still uses CF 4.1 as spec
23:55:25peturit says 'prior to ata-4'
23:56:11peturand 'Bit 14 of word 87 shall be set to one'
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23:58:09peturah, my sandisk 1gb complies to that
23:58:42amiconnBut also: "The value 0000h or FFFFh was placed in each of these words by CompactFlash Storage Cards prior to ATA-4 and shall be interpreted by the host as meaning that features/command sets enabled are not indicated."
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