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#rockbox log for 2008-03-10

00:00:02linuxstb_Yes. But the first bit is the tricky bit - you need to find somewhere suitable to add the jump, and as amiconn said, ensure it's not overwritten by the OF
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00:00:50saratogathats true, i have no idea how the binary is spread out in memory once its loaded
00:01:47jhMikeSonly use SDRAM is it's been decided to load rockbox
00:02:08saratogadoes rockbox zero the SDRAM memory when it boots?
00:02:12saratogajhMikeS: ?
00:02:20jhMikeSjust the IBSS area
00:02:23linuxstb_saratoga: It will zero the bss (and ibss) sections
00:02:32amiconnIt zeroes BSS and IBSS, but no more
00:02:40*amiconn too slooow
00:02:53*jhMikeS forgot the "BSS" anyway :p
00:03:10saratogaso in theory i could dump most of the DRAM to disk and it'd still contain the OF after rebooting to rockbox?
00:03:38jhMikeSdoes the rbbl load retailos or is it already loaded?
00:04:13linuxstb_It loads it - either from the firmware partition or an OF.mi4 file in the FAT partition
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00:05:49jhMikeSright, so this should be simple. the bl just has to go back to IRAM execution and perform the firmware loads (or the bootloader can execute from an address out of the way of firmware load which the S does atm)
00:07:15saratogaso my original idea
00:07:29saratogabootloader in sdram, branch back to it after the of is booted
00:08:48Nico_PjhMikeS: hi! any progress with the S?
00:08:50jhMikeSit copies vectors to address 0 with absolute jumps into the bl to handle any exeptions. the firmware just has b instructions in the table.
00:10:46jhMikeSNico_P: I go back to that after the threading revisions (which is taking longer than I thought it would)
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00:25:08amiconnViewport lists are messed up on X5 remote
00:26:19linuxstb_Is that 2bpp?
00:26:39bblackif "gather runtime data" is enabled and "Load to RAM" is not, any operation that will affect the runtime data (like a play) followed very fast by a display operation will display garbage
00:26:58*linuxstb_ checks the config and sees that it is
00:27:28linuxstb_amiconn: What's the problem? Are the colours wrong?
00:27:45amiconnIt uses the main lcd colours, converted for the remote
00:28:09amiconnAnd yes, the remote is 2bpp
00:28:37amiconnFound that because I'm trying to convert that remote driver to a combined main/remote driver, like I already did for the 1bpp
00:28:38linuxstb_Yes, apps/gui/viewport.c is obviously wrong - the viewport_set_defaults() function
00:28:59amiconnPreparations for M3...
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00:29:29linuxstb_Would you like me to fix?
00:30:14amiconnWould be nice :)
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00:35:39bluebrotherM3? That player without a main LCD?
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00:38:19saratogathere fixed another WMA seeking bug
00:38:22saratogathats 2 in one day
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00:40:04linuxstb_amiconn: Did you say you're treating the remote as a main LCD?
00:40:21amiconnYes, I will
00:40:56amiconnThat's why I need to convert the driver for that pixel format into the flexible main/remote form
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00:42:10linuxstb_OK, so I don't have to worry about the case of no main LCD...
00:42:34*linuxstb_ hopes he's got all these #ifdefs right...
00:42:54linuxstb_Does the X5 sim show the remote (like the H300 does) ?
00:45:52webguest59Hi guys, can I ask a stupid question....I had my gigabeat jumping to the next folder when playing, I recently updated to a newer rockbox and the settings have changed, ie. it no longer jumps folders....I found the "Auto-Change Directory" option, set it to yes and found it didnt fix the issue. I was hoping you may be able to point me to a menu item or some fix.....please help!!!! thanks
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00:50:26JdGordonamiconn: your treating the m3 remote lcd as the main lcd arnt you?
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00:50:57amiconnJdGordon: Check 10 minutes back...
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00:52:40JdGordonI mean... SCREEN_MAIN in the screen struct is going to be the remote lcd... or the whole ui will not work
00:53:28Nico_Pwebguest59: there is a bug with auto dir change ATM :(
00:54:32webguest59ahhh....thanks Nico_P, I thought it was me......
00:55:02SSnakegood night guys
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00:55:09Nico_Phopefully we'll get it fixed soon
00:57:31amiconnJdGordon: No, even more basic: The remote ldc will provide the lcd_ functions
00:58:12amiconnIt's just that we can now have this special pixelformat on either main or remote, like we already do for the 1bit vertically packed format
00:58:19JdGordonok, so it will be the "0" screen... thats all I was making sure of
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00:59:04amiconnThe only other difference between this and a real main lcd will be that it can be detached, which the gui doesn't need to take care of
00:59:34webguest59no big deal.....thanks again Nico_P
00:59:38amiconnThe buttons will be handled different though, but for the core, the button contexts will take care of that
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01:00:14*linuxstb_ breathes a sigh of relief at the green
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01:02:02linuxstb_My lack of confidence with my commit.
01:02:24amiconnYOur commit hasn't been built yet...
01:02:42linuxstb_I guess I should look at more than the build table then... ;)
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01:06:56amiconnWe have a duplicate target_id...
01:10:35amiconnGigabeat F and m:robe 500 both have target_id = 20
01:11:00amiconnShall I change m:robe 500 (as that one isn't listed as being supported yet)?
01:11:46linuxstb_The av300 and gigabeat S also share 26...
01:12:31linuxstb_Yes, it makes sense to change the less supported ones.
01:12:46amiconnSo in the latter case, av300?
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01:32:01major_worksamiconn: Can you please have a look at lcd-remote-1bit-v.c in SVN?
01:32:19amiconn`What's wrong with that?
01:32:40major_worksWhen I downloaded fresh source... twice now... it's about 10 lines long.
01:33:02amiconnThis is on purpose. Check the last #include...
01:33:43major_worksOK. Thanks.
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01:39:37amiconnlinuxstb_: We also have a case of duplicate MODEL_NUMBER ...
01:39:54amiconnlogikdax and mrobe100 are both 23
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04:21:10CaiqueBrazilhi all
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04:22:34CaiqueBrazilAny can help me? I got a iPod Photo 60Gb and wanna play videos on this, its possible?
04:25:42krazykityes. read
04:31:00CaiqueBrazilIm checking :)
04:32:04CaiqueBrazilWell I just need download the Rockbox and run at windows with my iPod pluged?
04:32:51krazykitplease read the manual for specific installation instructions
04:33:47CaiqueBrazilwell ok...thx for attention
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06:03:04WatchDragonAnyone know how to make ir realize its hooked up to a pc? i plug it in and it will not go into USB mode anymore
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06:08:31UbuSureshHi, I just wrote up a list of FM stations in LA for the sansa rockbox, and wanted to add it to the wiki.
06:08:45UbuSureshit said I need to come here to get write permissions?
06:09:00WatchDragon89.3 KPCC, hehe
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06:10:49WatchDragonim in orange so i get some of those channels, go to school in Long Beach
06:12:03UbuSureshChanServ: that's cool, where, CSLB?
06:12:17UbuSureshdo you have a sansa or use rockbox on something else?
06:12:40UbuSureshWhich one? Does it work pretty well?
06:12:54WatchDragonwhat ipod? Video gen5
06:12:56webguest22Hello I have a code question: when I use the function playlist_delete() to remove the next track in the playlist, it still shows up on the WPS as the next track, until it actually plays the next track. What can I do to force the WPS to update?
06:13:10WatchDragonit works fine, it just turns it to disk mode
06:13:14midgeyUbuSuresh: i've given you write permission
06:17:37UbuSureshupdated fm presets page on the wiki. seems pretty easy to write a script that pulls from ChanServ and convert a zip code to the .fmr format, but i'm not doing it tonight.
06:17:52UbuSureshbye kids
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07:49:12Slasheribblack: hmm, interesting. it might be that runtime stats writing doesn't lock the db
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09:24:19gibbon_haha! gevaerts is a genious! :P
09:24:53gibbon_the firmware that broke my sansas internal filesystem was the OF, not rockbox :) rockbox surpassed them victoriously
09:25:29gibbon_i have no proof for that, but i am really really sure about it
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09:40:59preglowis initing after a soft reset a part of the ata spec?
09:43:27peturbut it seems the nano and CF need it
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11:05:21preglowpetur: did you find any other source code that does it that way?
11:07:22peturdid not search much for code regarding that issue
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11:28:00carlospdhey guys
11:28:24carlospddoes anyone know if there is a rockbox version for the philips gogear series
11:28:46peturdid you read the frontpage of
11:29:06carlospdyes :)
11:29:09carlospddidnt see any
11:29:16peturthat's right
11:29:42carlospdso no versions :(
11:29:57carlospdme beloved sansa died and was forced to move to a new one
11:30:23peturthis page lists development status:
11:31:22carlospdoh thank you
11:31:25peturPhilips GoGear is listed and looks like another pp target, probably lacks a developer owning one to do the port
11:32:01carlospdyeah, seems like. It is acctually pretty popular over here in germany because it is pretty cheap
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12:02:37amiconnroolku: around?
12:03:21amiconnI hope you don't mind that my driver unification moved the framebuffer into IRAM on the m:robe 100
12:04:26roolkunot at all - as long as it fits
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12:07:09roolkulowlight did the display driver though, so I am probably not qualified to comment
12:09:19roolkuamiconn: btw, are you planning to write the *blit functions for greyscale on the m:robe, or should I have a go (not this week though)
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12:28:28roolkuDoes anybody know if samplerates of 48khz are supported in our WMA codec? Can't find anything about it on the wiki.
12:29:35roolkuI've had a bugreport for the m:robe 100, but the file doesn't play on the gigabeat either, so I assume it is a problem with the codec
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12:51:11amiconnroolku: Perhaps, but not the next few days. I'll work on the M3 port
12:52:00shxHi all. Has anyone heard of OpenMax which is an API dedicated to multimedia ?
12:52:40shxespecially the OpenMax IL, IL standing for Integration Layer
13:02:39amiconnInteresting adapter for archos jukebox users:
13:03:23amiconnInsert 2x 32GB CF (requires adding master/slave support to the rockbox ata driver)
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13:10:41gevaertsDoes anyone here have a sansa dock ?
13:11:10advcomp2019gevaerts, what sansa dock
13:11:31gevaertsI'd like to see if happens to other people as well
13:13:01advcomp2019i have the griffin powerdock for my sansa e280r so hold on so i can try it
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13:16:08*gevaerts i holding on
13:19:53advcomp2019gevaerts, that does happen with mine
13:21:46advcomp2019gevaerts, it only happens when there is only power going to the dock
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13:22:32gevaertsadvcomp2019: Are you running a revision after r16541 ?
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13:24:44advcomp2019i am using r16585.. i am going to try the newest one next
13:25:12gevaertsadvcomp2019: does that dock provide USB passthrough, or does it have a built-in USB hub ?
13:26:01gevaertsr16585 is recent enough. There are no changes after that one that could influence this
13:26:16advcomp2019i have openned the dock up before and it is a passthrough design
13:27:51gevaertsOK, so booting with only USB-power is the problem. I'll see what I can do tonight.
13:28:07*gevaerts thought he tested that...
13:29:01advcomp2019yea because i just tested it with only power with the sansa data cable and it does the same thing
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13:31:41gevaertsAre you running a standard build (i.e. one with USB not enabled) ? If so, does it reboot when plugging it into a PC ?
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13:35:11advcomp2019yes standard build without usb enabled.. yes it does reboot when you plug it in with the usb cable connected to the computer
13:35:22amiconngevaerts: As you seem to know usb well: Is it normal that a device plugged into an usb hub detects an usb connection even though the upstream port of that hub isn't plugged?
13:36:29gevaertsadvcomp2019: OK. Thanks for testing
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13:38:37gevaertsamiconn: that depends. Some hubs always provide power (if their power supply is plugged in), so if USB detection depends on USB power detection (like rockbox does), it will detect that. On hubs with "proper" power switching, that shouldn't happen. Power switching is optional in the USB spec
13:40:43advcomp2019gevaerts, one more thing i just tested with the power only with the sansa data cable with rockbox turned on then i plugged it in usb cable to the sansa and it works fine
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13:43:39gevaertsamiconn: if the device uses D+ and D- signal levels to detect a connection, it won't see anything unless the hub is properly connected as well.
13:46:49gevaertsadvcomp2019: so it's just booting while power-only connected that's broken. I'll fix it tonight
13:47:58advcomp2019yes that is what it seems
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14:11:27ZagorI have now switched to the new svn-hosted homepage. yell if anything is missing.
14:11:52Zagor(you're not supposed to notice any difference)
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14:24:02peturZagor: that page also still has the old 'since augist 1' link below the svn history
14:24:05LosNirHey guys
14:24:36LosNirI need help unbricking my sansa c250.
14:25:04advcomp2019LosNir, what is it doing
14:25:29LosNirI formatted it in ntfs mode, and it just screwed up, so i accdiently copid a e250 bootloader files to recovery mode and bricked it.
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14:26:17LosNirIt looks like Manufacturing Mode works
14:26:29LosNirthe screen is blank, only buttons light
14:26:30advcomp2019LosNir, use the "sansa.fmt" from recovery mode.. that is the best bet
14:26:40LosNirI can't get into recovery mode anymore
14:27:05advcomp2019LosNir, you will need to use the e200tool then
14:27:07LosNirWhen i turn it on i have a blank screne.
14:27:14LosNirThe Manufacturing Mode works tho
14:27:40LosNirso i'm planning to use Ubuntu live cd to fix it with e250tool
14:27:54LosNirWill ubuntu live cd work?
14:28:18LosNirOk i'm in ubuntu in the other computer
14:28:25advcomp2019yes it will
14:28:45LosNirGreat :)
14:28:48LosNiri'll update you as soon i'll try to run it
14:29:53LosNir2Ok which files to download for the c250?
14:30:19LosNiror this:
14:32:47advcomp2019you need the sansa c200 bootloader, the c200 firmware, and maybe the "sansa.fmt" files
14:32:54LosNirDidn't know you nned to think about it so much :P
14:33:07LosNiryeah, put theres to links:
14:33:13LosNir<LosNir> this:
14:33:14LosNir<LosNir> or this:
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14:33:39gevaertsLosNir: you will need firmware.mi4 and pribootLoader.rom from
14:33:49LosNirOk, thanks.
14:35:27LosNirIt says permissions denied when i try to run it..
14:35:40gevaertsRun "chmod +x e200tool"
14:36:20LosNirok it works.
14:36:24LosNirNo for the parameters?
14:37:02LosNiri bet it's e200rool -recover pribootLoader.rom
14:37:12gevaerts"sudo e200tool recover pribootLoader.rom" should put the player in recovery mode
14:38:46LosNirIt found it
14:38:59LosNirbyt it says Failed to claim interface
14:39:20LosNir(Opreation not permitted)
14:39:34LosNirlooks like sudo problem.. live cd doesnt have any sudo :|
14:39:35gevaertsDid you run it with sudo ?
14:40:01LosNirIt says cannot find sudo..
14:40:07gevaertsDo you have a '#' or a '$' prompt ?
14:40:36LosNirI think that live cd is the problem
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14:40:42gevaertsThen run "su", without arguments
14:41:13LosNirIt asks for password..
14:41:26gevaertsTry just pressing enter
14:42:50gevaertsWhich ubuntu version is this ?
14:43:28LosNirI repeat, it's live cd :P
14:44:10Tuplanollalol, it's not ok if it doesn't find sudo :D
14:44:37gevaertsThat should have sudo if I understand things correctly (but I'm not a ubuntu expert)
14:45:13GodEaterit does have sudo
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14:45:21GodEaterI've used that CD countless times
14:45:48Tuplanollayeah, it must have it as a installed ubuntu has it :>
14:46:30LosNirfound the answer
14:46:33LosNirit's sudo su :)
14:46:51gevaertsSo sudo is there after all ?
14:47:08LambdaCalculus37When sudo doesn't work alone, sudo su works.
14:47:21LosNirOk i ran e200tool
14:47:23GodEaterwhat a bunch of crap
14:47:26LambdaCalculus37LosNir: Working now?
14:47:29LosNirits finished with Start execution...
14:47:29GodEatersudo either works or it doesn't
14:48:00LosNiri think he's done.. unplug it now?
14:48:12gevaertsLosNir: then you should now see something on the sansa screen
14:48:17gevaertsDon't unplug yet
14:48:22LosNirblank screen
14:49:35LosNirnow e200 tool cant find the device, exited the man mode
14:51:08LosNirMy only choice to unplig it i think, doesnt it?
14:51:12gevaertsIf e200tool worked correctly, you should now have a 16MB disk.
14:51:25LosNirso to unplug it?
14:51:55gevaertsUnplugging it will reboot it, and nothing has yet been recovered, so it will go back to manufacturer mode
14:52:31LosNirUbuntu shows no disk..
14:52:43*gevaerts thinks about the easiest way to find out which device node is used
14:53:33gevaertsRun "dmesg" and see if it says something about "sd*" in the last few lines
14:56:15LosNir"end request i/o error" last 2 lines..
14:56:15LosNiri think it's because my partition is ntfs formatted..
14:56:15LosNir* not the 16mb is formatted, only the 1.8GB one
14:57:09gevaertsCan you paste the last 20 lines or so of the dmesg output on (or a similar site) ?
14:57:24LosNirthe problem is it's in a KVM
14:57:30LosNir2 computers..
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14:57:39LosNirwait i got an idea
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14:59:44LosNirif i'll unplug it, it will brick even further?
14:59:56*LambdaCalculus37 reads LosNir's pastebin
15:00:27gevaertsNo. It will just not be fixed yet, that's all
15:00:29*GodEater thinks we should bad usage of the word "brick" until someone actually manages it
15:01:02LosNirHey, does it matter i have an old 1.1USB port? a really old computer..
15:01:14gevaertsNo, that shouldn't make a difference.
15:02:23gevaertsCan you run "modprobe usb-storage" ? It shouldn't change anything, but you never know
15:02:59gevaertsAfter that, check if there are new lines in the dmesg output
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15:05:50LosNirusb cable unplugged!
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15:06:26LosNirNow when i try to run e200tool it can't find 6666:e200
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15:09:59gevaertsLosNir: try turning the player off, and putting it in manufacturer mode by following the procedure on (c200 manufacturer mode is the same)
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15:11:23LosNirWindows detect the player
15:11:55gevaertsWhat does it show ?
15:12:09LosNirInstalling drivers.. and then it says it cant install
15:12:14LosNirit's not recovery mode
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15:12:34gevaertsIf it is a black/unlit screen and blue leds behind the buttong
15:12:45gevaerts*buttons, it's manufacturer mode.
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15:15:01LosNirWhat should i do next?
15:15:14LosNire200tool dont detect it anymore
15:15:44gevaertsTurn it off, switch the hold switch to ON, and plug the player in to the linux machine while holding "select"
15:16:03LosNiri'm trying..
15:16:06LosNirit doesnt detect it
15:16:08LosNirit's stuck
15:16:33LosNirSearching for device... and doesnt counting
15:17:21gevaertsRun "lsusb" to see what devices are connected
15:19:00LosNiris there any command to reset usb? :|
15:19:31LosNirwhenever i connect it, the program freeze, and when i disconnect it, the prgoram continue counting
15:20:35gevaertsDid you reset the sansa like I said ?
15:21:00LosNirpower off -> hold -> select?
15:21:04LosNirif yes then i did..
15:22:16gevaertsTry unplugging both sides of the cable, and plugging them back in. Maybe there is a bad contact somewhere
15:22:40LosNirthis computer is rather old.. i think thats the problem
15:23:11LambdaCalculus37That shouldn't be a problem.
15:23:30LosNirnot talking about the hardware.. the connections are old..
15:23:38LosNirrusty and stuff :P
15:24:42gevaertsThat might be a problem then. USB does have a tendency to behave badly when it doesn't have good electrical contacts
15:25:15LosNiri'll just try to restart the compueter
15:26:35LosNiru'll be here in about 10min, right?
15:28:46LambdaCalculus37We're not going anywhere. :)
15:29:03GodEaterspeak for yourself
15:29:07LosNirif e200tool wont help, does rockbox boot loader insatller can help?
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15:38:25LosNirOk he found the device
15:38:41LosNirbut gave me "bulk write error"
15:38:59gevaertsThat sometimes happens. Unplug, reset the sansa and try again
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15:53:04pondlifeLambdaCalculus37: Still running r16422?
15:53:15pondlifeI am, and have not had any misbehaviour
15:54:48LosNirwell, now cant fund 6666:e200
15:54:52LosNirbut he wrote the file...
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15:55:01LambdaCalculus37pondlife: Yep. Behaving very well with every album I play.
15:55:34gevaertsLosNir: is there anything on the sansa screen ?
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15:57:28gevaertsWhat does lsusb say now ?
15:57:31LosNirOh yeah!!!!!
15:57:39LosNiri had a lock screen!!!
15:57:40LambdaCalculus37LosNir: Is it working now?
15:58:23LosNiri had that screen for about 3 secs and the screen shut
15:59:12LosNiromg just not now.. ubuntu toolbar froze :|
15:59:23LosNiri cant get into Computer
15:59:38gevaertsLosNir: OK. Put it into manufacturer mode (hold+select+plug in), and once it's plugged in (but before you run e200tool), turn off hold. Then run e200tool again.
16:00:17LosNirbut ubuntu is stuck..
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16:00:44gevaertsLosNir: maybe unplugging the sansa helps getting it unstuck. Else I guess you'll have to reboot
16:01:19LosNirlol live cd again?
16:01:48gevaertsI guess so.
16:02:02LosNirit works now.. my CD power was cut
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16:04:12LosNirok i'll gave to restart..
16:04:46LosNiri hope it didnt "undo" my e200tool..
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16:12:21LosNiri see the sansa logo :)
16:12:27LosNirlil monsta :D
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16:14:11LosNirnow what?
16:14:25LosNiri dont see any drive...
16:14:42gevaertsLosNir: does anything happen on the sansa screen ?
16:15:22LosNiryes, i see the sansa logo
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16:17:47gevaertsOK. From what I have seen that means the sansa firmware is trying to make sense of its data partition and taking a very long time to decide it can't work with it. Did it go to the sansa logo by itself, or via e200tool ?
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16:22:24LosNirWhat do you mean?
16:22:40LosNire200tool of course..
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16:22:52LosNire200tool finished and then i saw the logo (and still seeing it)
16:23:03gevaertsDid you unplug it after e200tool finished ?
16:23:19LosNirshould i try modprobe usb-storage
16:23:42gevaertsDoes lsusb say something ?
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16:24:50LosNirno error, just 2 lines (usb hub and sansa i guess)
16:25:11gevaertsOK. Maybe try modprobe usb-storage.
16:25:29pondlifeHmm, stopped working.
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16:26:11pondlifeZagor: When you get back, perhaps you could get the "since" pages working...
16:26:24LosNirprboe'd, no change in lsusb, checking for Disk..
16:26:57LosNirNo disk
16:28:13gevaertsSounds weird. Let's try something "harder". Download gevaerts/c250erase"> to the ubuntu PC.
16:28:34toffe82For all person intersted in the gigabeat dock connector, email me cmdnicolas at gmail dor com
16:28:58gevaertstoffe82: gigabeat f ?
16:29:03LosNirUnplugging won't help?
16:29:19toffe82F S and X
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16:29:48toffe82photo here :
16:30:04toffe82price around 6$ shipping included
16:30:23gevaertsLosNir: you can try, but it seems to be in a state where even e200tool can't get it into recovery mode. This is probably caused by weird data on flash, which this c250erase tool should fix
16:31:09LosNirI downloaded, how to run it?
16:31:27gevaertsLosNir: first "chmod +x c250erase"
16:31:50LosNirYes, did it already.
16:32:00LosNirThen just ./c250erase?
16:32:18gevaertsThen put the sansa back in manufacturer mode (hold+select+plug in), and then ./c250erase
16:33:46LosNirIt says e200r.. :|
16:33:46gevaertstoffe82: I guess you'll need a postal address ?
16:34:41toffe82for the moment I need a list of people to know if I can buy the 50 ( it is 200$ for me) so I want to be sure that there is enough people intersted :0
16:34:59LosNirgevaerts: The tool talks about e200r, should i continue?
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16:35:02gevaertsLosNir: that's normal. The tool is based on the e200r installer, and I didn't bother changing those strings
16:35:26LosNirPatch application uploaded
16:35:30LosNirNow what?
16:35:40gevaertsLosNir: is there some text on the sansa screen ?
16:37:23gevaertsthere is something really strange with your sansa. Anyway, let's assume that it's working, and just not displaying anything on the screen.
16:37:55LosNirOk, should i try the e200tool again? wiho lock off?
16:38:01LosNirwith hold off*
16:38:14gevaertsLosNir: If so, it's now erasing the flash, so there are no remains of ntfs left afterwards. This should be done in about 30 minutes, but since you can't see progress, let's wait for 45. Just leave it plugged in
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16:39:52gevaertsLosNir: something like that. Anyway, leave it for now, and we'll continue in 45 minutes.
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16:40:14LosNirGreat, thank you for your help :)
16:41:55gevaertstoffe82: sent you a mail. I expect sending these to europe will cost a bit more though.
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16:43:13toffe82perhaps 1$ more , I have to check , I will see today and update the price
16:44:52markuntoffe82, gevaerts: would it be cheaper to send all the connectors to europe to 1 place and then ship them again to all the europeans?
16:45:04gevaertsAnyway that doesn't matter. Some extra dollars won't even show up on my rockbox hardware spending the last few weeks
16:46:51gevaertsmarkun: maybe, but I doubt if the extra complexity makes that worthwile. You then have to send money to two places, have two people put them in envelopes,...; just to save one or two dollars per recipient.
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16:47:48*gevaerts isn't dutch, so maybe he looks differently at those two dollars than markun ;)
16:49:34markunthat hurt
16:49:47markunluckily I'm technically german :)
16:50:49toffe82the euro is high so it is cheap for you ;)
16:50:58markungevaerts: when my gf and I were visiting the cemetery in paris I was wondering why there were so many dutch people. Her reply: "it's free"
16:52:58gevaertsMy guess would be that you're just best at spotting people whose nationality you easily recognise.
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16:55:24markunany interest in making a SPDIF in or out for rockbox?
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16:56:38gevaertsIs that possible with the available signals ?
16:56:50markungevaerts: we have i2s in and out
16:57:03markunso we need a chip to convert it to and from spdif
16:57:12markunI found a wolfson chip which does just that
16:57:42markunwe also get 4.2V from the dock connector, which would need to changed to 3.3 volts
16:57:49*gevaerts was confusing i2s and i2c
16:58:07markuni2c is also on it, right?
16:59:36markunwould it be a good idea to start adding a Meizu M6 target and simulator to rockbox?
16:59:50markunor maybe wait till we've figured out more about the hardware?
17:02:13toffe82I try to work on the philips sa9200 (mi4 file) and I have a question, if I don't have the bootloader, I can't get the key for the encryption ? I try mi4code and it fails
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17:02:34toffe82is htere another way ?
17:02:56toffe82should I buy a meizu :)
17:03:23markuntoffe82: please do!
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17:03:45toffe82I f I make enough money selling the connector :)
17:05:52LosNir30min to go.
17:05:55toffe82markun: I sawthere : that you decode a philips firmware, there was no encryption ?Did you have the bootloader ?
17:07:09LosNirgevaerts: How can i make these purpule messages?
17:07:35gevaertsLosNir: what do you mean ?
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17:07:45Horscht/me does the purple message thingy
17:07:52*Horscht does the purple message thingy
17:08:14HorschtI have a major in IRC
17:08:30*gevaerts uses a color-agnostic IRC client, and didn't know those would come out purple
17:09:06Horschtthey don't come out purple here either
17:09:34Horschtbut since he was asking you, and you were making an action, I assumed his IRC client would color /me actions purple
17:11:23Horschtit's like adding three and pi together (= 6)
17:12:09gevaerts6 ? Are you sure ?
17:12:20LosNirit's mIRC
17:12:28*LosNir tries it?
17:13:25*krazykit points out that this channel is still an on-topic channel about rockbox
17:13:30GodEaterany forum mods around ?
17:14:32scorche|shdont you count?
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17:14:47GodEaterI can't ban accounts
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17:15:04LambdaCalculus37GodEater: Is it that guy talking about live chat accounts?
17:15:19GodEaterthere are two deleted threads already
17:15:30markunisn't IRC live enough?
17:16:06markunah, SPAM..
17:16:10LambdaCalculus37markun: It's just some random idiot talking about "offering services".
17:16:10GodEaterit's nothing to do with chat
17:16:25LambdaCalculus37Where's Febs when we need him? :)
17:16:35GodEateror Bagder...
17:16:38GodEateror LinusN
17:16:40GodEateretc etc
17:18:15toffe82markun: any answer to my previous question ?
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17:20:44markuntoffe82: sorry, let me check
17:21:05toffe82no problem , I have to go, will check later
17:21:42markunthe HDD120 could be decrypted with one of the existing codes
17:22:10markunbut I didn't find any .bl files for any of the philips players to figure out the missing codes
17:22:39markundo you need to encrypt the rockbox bootloader with the same key?
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17:24:13markun(.bl -> bl.*)
17:24:50LosNir6mins to go :)
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17:28:02LosNirgevaerts: I think i'm screwed O_o
17:28:20LosNirWhen i applid the ereaser, the hold was on..
17:28:34gevaertsLosNir: that shouldn't matter
17:28:41LosNiroh, ok.
17:29:40markuntoffe82: I wonder how ward it would be to write a little too to dump the rom to a file
17:29:43markunhow hard
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17:30:42LosNirOne hour passed :)
17:30:44LosNirgevaerts, Whats next?
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17:31:32gevaertsLosNir: unplug it and turn it off. Then turn it back on (with hold off). It should go to manufacturer mode. Then plug it in and run e200tool
17:32:39LosNirIt doesn't go to manufacturer mode..
17:32:45LosNirmaybe i need to press select?
17:32:48gevaertsThen what does it do ?
17:33:03LosNirNothing, blank screen..
17:33:18gevaertsmanufacturer mode is blank screen and blue leds
17:34:23LosNirok, but windows doesnt detect any device connected.. when i hold on + select he does.
17:35:57gevaertsOK. hold+select should work as well, so maybe try that. Don't forget to unset hold after plugging in. For e200tool it does matter
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17:37:34LosNirWell, the same with e200tool.
17:37:44gevaertsthe same ?
17:38:16LosNirYes, the sansa logo.
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17:39:36LosNirSame sitaution.
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17:39:51LosNirExcept i see the logo
17:40:59*gevaerts tries some things on his c250
17:44:22gevaertsLosNir: put the sansa in manufacturer mode and plug it in. Leave the hold switch ON. release select, and start pushing the record button. While holding record, run ./e200tool recover pribootLoader.rom
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17:45:29LosNir" and start pushing the record button" you mean hold off?
17:45:42gevaertsNo. Hold still on
17:45:42LosNiruhh nvm
17:46:58blackkanyway to edit a bug description?
17:46:59LosNirrecovery mode!!!!
17:47:21gevaertsNow don't unplug it or it will get back out of it.
17:47:26LosNirWhat files do put in?
17:47:43LosNirthe rom & bin & font?
17:47:58LosNirand format.fmt?
17:48:25*petur fails to connect to
17:48:31gevaertsPut pribootLoader.rom firmware.mi4 and format.fmt on it. The font shouldn't be needed (I never needed that anyway)
17:48:35*petur finds it is working again :)
17:48:58LosNirbin is not neccsery?
17:49:14gevaertsbin ?
17:49:51LosNiri got "firmware.bin" and "firmware.mi4"
17:50:00gevaertsJust the mi4
17:51:19LosNiri put these files and unplugged..
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17:51:32LosNirthen he said "Upgrading finished, resetting system"
17:51:43LosNirand a blank screen now
17:52:06*petur hopes LosNir unmounted....
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17:52:57markunhi Davide-NYC!
17:53:12markunare you ordering some Gigabeat connectors?
17:53:13gevaertsTry again, but unmount properly before unplugging. If you get a drive icon, you van probably right-click on it and that menu should show unmount or something similar
17:53:26peturLosNir: like 'safe remove hardware' on windows
17:53:46Davide-NYCNot until someone sends me a schematic for an optical I/O dongle. is down for me
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17:54:14markunhere too
17:54:19peturit goes up and down, keep trying
17:54:52Davide-NYCDNS problems? Server issues?
17:55:20peturiirc, Zagor said he moved the website so maybe DNS troubles
17:55:41LosNirit sapmmed me with "LUN0 locked", "LUN0 unlocked"
17:55:49peturalthough it worked fine right after the move
17:56:06Davide-NYCpetur: FWIW the new CF code seems stable on a H140 w BL6 and an HDD.
17:56:14gevaertsThat's normal. Does a disk icon appear ?
17:56:48peturDavide-NYC: good to hear
17:56:49LosNirI copied the files, unmounted, he said he's writing then he spammed me and stucked.. (or keeps spamming)
17:57:19gevaertsAfter unmounting you can unplug
17:57:29LosNiri unplugged of course
17:57:49LambdaCalculus37Davide-NYC: Hello there!
17:57:56Davide-NYChello all!
17:58:01advcomp2019this is odd.. the revision number on the home page is r16609 then r16601
17:58:19Davide-NYCLambdaCalculus37: do have an H1x0?
17:58:48LosNirk now works!
17:59:28LosNirthe only problem now is that the sansa logo stays...
17:59:36LosNirafter i power on (not plugged)
17:59:44Davide-NYCworking here.
18:00:08Davide-NYCsince-4weeks.html has been broken for soem time and still is.
18:00:11LambdaCalculus37Davide-NYC : Not one of my own, no. But a friend of mine does.
18:00:21LosNirgot to language select!
18:00:36LosNirOh yeah :)
18:01:23gevaertsLosNir: Once you selected a language, go to the Settings menu and choose System Info, to check if free space looks correct
18:01:43Davide-NYCsame problem with since-12months.html
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18:03:02LambdaCalculus37Wiki access on the site is timing out. =/
18:03:48*Davide-NYC shall return later when the website has settled.
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18:06:34blackkanybody around that have rights to edit a bug on FS?
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18:08:27LosNirgevaerts: sansa.fmt can fix a ntfs formatted disk?
18:08:59gevaertsLosNir: what does System Info say about free space ?
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18:09:18LosNirnope, size isn't correct
18:09:36LosNirfree: 33554425MB O_o
18:10:08LambdaCalculus37That's not right. =/
18:10:29LosNirthats because i formatted the 1.8GB disk with ntfs :(
18:10:39LosNiranyway to fix that?
18:10:42LambdaCalculus37LosNir: Needs to be FAT32.
18:11:08gevaertsLosNir: if you plug it into a windows PC, do you get a drive icon ?
18:11:13LosNirWell, i happy at least i recovered my firmware
18:11:33LosNiri do have two disks (the main one and the expansion[empty] )
18:11:40LosNirboth not readable
18:11:44LosNirI/O ERROR
18:12:13gevaertsOK. sounds familiar (the sansa firmware doesn't handle this situation well at all).
18:12:32LosNirSo what can i do?
18:12:41gevaertsTurn it off, and go into manufacturer mode (hold,select,plug in linux machine)
18:13:00LosNirshit.. rebooted the linux box.. live cd again XD
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18:13:16gevaertsAnd then run ./c250erase (as root, so maybe sudo su first)
18:13:31LosNirThat shold fix it?
18:13:49LosNirI would need to do the e200tool step again, right?
18:14:08gevaertsHopefully that will show something on the screen this time. It should tell you when it's done.
18:14:26gevaertsAfter that the e200tool step, and then it should be fixed.
18:14:43gevaertsI'm going home now, I'll be offline for about 30 minutes.
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18:14:55LosNirThank you :)
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18:41:00*LosNir is happy for begin able to start the c250eraser.
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18:45:10gevaertsLosNir: any news ?
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18:47:53LosNirOh here are you :)
18:48:00LosNirWell, great news.
18:48:03LosNirhere you are*
18:48:28LosNirYou forget to mention that i need to push the rec button while i start the reaser. lol
18:48:52LosNirFor now: 73056kb left
18:49:23gevaertsIs the rec button needed ? Anyway that looks much better.
18:50:06LosNirYes, i tried to push it and then it worked.
18:50:28LosNirSame as the e200tool -> only goes to recovery mode with rec button.
18:51:16gevaertsThat's a different case. But it doesn't matter now I guess
18:51:39LosNiryeah, 66mb left.
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19:00:09elinenbeHello! Maybe someone could help me. Does the Toshiba Gigabeat F40 charge via USB? Or do you have to have the dock?!
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19:01:21Crash91Quoting from RobkboxUtility on the wiki "Windows Vista is currently completely untested due to the lack of a test setup and might have additional issues.", is there any way i can help test rbutil out on vista?
19:01:22roolkuelinenbe: it does charge via USB but more slowly than with the powesupply
19:02:42roolkupower supply
19:03:13gevaertsDoes anyone know a GPLed simple FAT32 formatting tool that would be easy to integrate in rockbox ?
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19:05:02Crash91gevaerts: Wouldnt the code for fdisk be of use?
19:05:09bluebrothergevaerts: what would be the use of such a thing?
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19:05:43DerPapstgevaerts: ipodpatcher has some fat formatting code
19:05:59bluebrotherCrash91: sure ... try to use it on vista in as many ways as possible. If you manage to crash it report it ;-)
19:06:09bluebrotherbest would be if you could test svn
19:06:12DerPapstbut only for 512bytes/sector
19:06:37Crash91bluebrother: sure, but will i have to setup cygwin to compile it?
19:06:54bluebrotherno, Rockbox Utility won't build using cygwin. You need MinGW
19:07:04Crash91bluebrother: im currently testing the one from the wiki page,
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19:07:24bluebrotherit's rather easy, just download the MinGW package of Qt 4 from their website. This will automatically install mingw.
19:07:32gevaertsThe c200 recovery code doesn't seem to be able to recover from really broken filesystems (sansa.fmt doesn't work, ...). I have a tool that writes the correct fat blocks for a c250, but not for c240 or any e200s (not sure if e200 needs it), and I'd like to generalise that
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19:08:04Crash91bluebrother:and then i can compile after getting source?
19:08:27LosNir25mb left :)
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19:08:34Crash91gevaerts: also mkdosfs?
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19:08:58gevaertsThe one in ipodpatcher looks good.
19:09:05bluebrotherCrash91: yep. Just open a usual cmd window and type "qmake" followed by "make"
19:09:19Crash91bluebrother: cool, thanks :)
19:09:21LosNirI had a huge luck you had that tool only for the c250!
19:09:30bluebrother(assuming you let the installer add the needed paths to the PATH variable)
19:10:27gevaertsLosNir: once it's done, you'll need to do the e200tool stuff again. After that, it should be done, but it might be a good idea to let the sansa firmware format the flash again (that's in the Settings menu)
19:10:36*gevaerts goes to have dinner now
19:11:01*LosNir wants gevaerts to wait.
19:11:18LosNirWill you be here after the dinner?
19:11:33LosNirAlready left -,-
19:13:04Crash91bluebrother: *yawn* an hour left for the download, ill probably test the svn version tomorrow...
19:13:28bluebrothersure, no hurries.
19:14:09Crash91aha! found the smaller why dont they have that higher up on the page?
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19:14:32bluebrothermake sure to not download the source zip only ...
19:14:36***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
19:14:48bluebrotheras in that case you'd need to build Qt yourself
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19:17:10Crash91bluebrother: damn, what else do i need? minGW?
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19:17:29bluebrotherit will download MinGW automatically
19:17:41bluebrother(the installer lets you choose to do this)
19:18:07Crash91ok, anything else? something that the installer doesnt let me choose
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19:18:19LosNir416k left!
19:18:25bluebrotherno. Just run the installer and be fine.
19:18:34bluebrotherexcept an svn client maybe ;-)
19:20:13Crash91bluebrother: ok :) at least i can be of some help without knowing how to code :P
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19:22:14Crash91bluebrother: network error, please check settings, is this because im downloading?
19:23:53bluebrotherin rbutil?
19:23:59Crash91bluebrother: yes
19:24:23bluebrotherno, shouldn't be. The reason for this is usually wrong proxy settings.
19:24:52Crash91bluebrother: well, i dont use a proxy.....
19:25:05bluebrotherit defaults to the setting in IE5
19:25:39bluebrotherwell, you could still check the setting and reset it to no proxy (you need to restart afterwards, I just fixed a bug with that the last weekend)
19:26:14Crash91bluebrother: i put it on no proxy but didnt restart, maybe that will do the trick
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19:26:42Crash91bluebrother: it gives me an error but still can access themes
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19:27:32bluebrotherCrash91: that was the error I fixed ;-)
19:27:42Crash91bluebrother: :) ok
19:27:54bluebrotherwell, in that case it looks like autodetecting the IE proxy fails.
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19:28:38Crash91bluebrother: hmm, it fetched themes, i exited the themes window and clicked themes again, this time it managed to fetch then without errors....
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19:29:16bluebrotherwell, if you disabled the proxy that's expected.
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19:39:21gevaertsLosNir: did you already try the e200tool bit ?
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19:40:04LosNirYes, it works!
19:40:18LosNirThank you very much for your help.
19:40:29MajorCgevaerts, i recall that you made a site from where ppl could follow the progress on the usb-handler. Would appreciate the link
19:40:58cefa68000Hello anyone know if the size problem with big modules is fixed?
19:41:06gevaertsLosNir: so everything is back to normal now ?
19:42:16LosNirWell, back to normal after the damage...
19:42:26LosNirI didn't tell you, but all this started when i wanted to RMA the player..
19:42:37DerPapstthere is a typo on that page... "(not really a choice, but...) iriver H10 [...] also work beter" s/beter/better
19:42:37LosNirthe earphone jack is damaged
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19:43:03LosNirbad conatacts, i need to "play" with the wire to hear from both sides of the earphones..
19:43:23LosNirAnyway to fix that without rmaing it?
19:44:02LosNirExcept for disassamble..
19:44:04bluebrothermaybe it's just dust. You could try contact spray
19:44:20LosNiryour'e right, ill try it.
19:44:32gevaertsThat's no fun. I once "fixed" such a problem (on a cheap no-name player) by shorting both sides of my earphones. Easier than fixing the jack, but you lose stereo...
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19:45:15LosNirWell that not a fix, cause i foten switch earphones..
19:45:21LosNirconnect it to speakers etc..
19:45:58Crash91what is the difference between quietsave and save in the wiki?
19:46:53LosNirok, i got Servisol contatc spray, i assume that ok, right?
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19:48:35gevaertsI know it's no fix, but at least it got rid of the continuous on/off switching of sound on one side until I got a new player
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19:50:06LosNirSo Servisol is ok?
19:50:43LosNirand yes, it's a 100% contatc spray, already used it on a pc motherboard..
19:51:08gevaertsIf it didn't harm your PC, I guess it won't harm your sansa
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19:51:42LosNirThe question here is, will it harm my warranty? :P
19:52:09Horschtdoubt that
19:54:25LosNirEven with a routh supplier? (Israel duty free)
19:54:35LosNirJust joking.. :)
19:55:32HorschtI bet most companies want to make you think that even looking at your player voids its waranty
19:56:26*gevaerts starts to have an opinion on using the button queue everywhere
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19:59:38LosNiri have strange "dust" on the screen..
19:59:54LosNirit's the contact fluid got on the back of the screen =\
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20:00:07LosNirwill it get dry or im screwed?
20:00:17gevaertsI think it will dry out
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20:00:48LosNircompletly? cuz it's like you have water on the back of the screen..
20:01:12LosNiranyway, it didnt help =\
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20:01:29gevaertsI guess it might take some time, but as far as I know contact sprays usually fully evaporate
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20:05:01LosNirWell, thank you for your time gevaerts, i really appreciate it :)
20:05:45gevaertsNo problem. Have fun getting that jack repaired :)
20:07:50LosNirI will, thanks.
20:08:06LosNirI'll update you when i'll get it back.
20:08:07LosNirBye :)
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20:13:41SSnakehi guys
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20:14:57gevaertsHi SSnake. So when can we see your game ?
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20:16:36*gevaerts likes the prospect of more games in rockbox, and will port an infocom engine once USB host works well enough to support a keyboard
20:16:52SSnakein 10 days i think...
20:16:56SSnakejust finished menu part
20:17:14SSnakenow lacks only sound supports
20:17:41LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: Zork on the go? :)
20:17:42gevaertsI guess sound support is pretty essential if you play on an audio player :)
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20:17:56SSnakeyesterday night i tried to compile under sim for ipod targets and it worked at first launch
20:18:04SSnakeit needed only button remapping
20:18:08gevaertsLambdaCalculus37: if you don't mind a huge keyboard :) you remember me asking for help about sound menu?
20:19:41gevaertsI think so, but I wasn't paying much attention then. I'm not a sound expert
20:19:44SSnakeit seems that i've found a sort of "bug" (_maybe_) in my quest to use plaback menu library
20:19:52LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: But what about the grues? :)
20:20:06SSnakeanyone can check with me?
20:20:30*LambdaCalculus37 is looking for a good source to help port Hunt the Wumpus to Rockbox
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20:21:22*Crash91 would like more games like superdom, and possibly RPGs?
20:21:24SSnakeif u look inside playback_control.h you can notice a variable declaration
20:21:28SSnakeextern const struct menu_item_ex *playback_control_menu;
20:21:32LambdaCalculus37Looks like iPod Linux has Hunt the Wumpus:
20:21:56Horschtipodlinux is still active?
20:21:58SSnakethat should be extern const struct menu_item_ex playback_control_menu;
20:22:08Crash91LambdaCalculus37: I guess that's your "good source" then ;)
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20:22:40SSnakeby the way who wrote playback_control?
20:23:56SSnakeit seems playback_control.h/playback_control.c cannot be used in multisource plugins....
20:24:17SSnakethe problems lies in a lack of right incapsulation _I think_
20:25:50SSnakei tried integrating all menu macros inside a function but the compiler complaints due to the nature of menu macros....
20:26:51SSnakethe entire playback_control.h/playback_control.c works of in single source plugins because the "rb" pointer is created and used in the same file
20:27:10Crash91SSnake: What game are you making?
20:27:26SSnakemmmmm......i think now i can tell you.................
20:27:31SSnakeare you ready guys?
20:27:37LambdaCalculus37I am.
20:27:38gevaertsSSnake: svn blame says jdgordon and linusn are the ones to blame for playback_control
20:27:42*gevaerts waits
20:27:45LambdaCalculus37Do tell!
20:28:08SSnakeRick Dangerous
20:28:20amiconnI can't see why playback_control shouldn't be usable for multi-source plugins
20:28:23SSnakeand believe me it works really gooood
20:28:25Crash91SSnake: Yay! I loved that game! Thanks!!!!!!
20:28:37SSnakeit's finished but without sound
20:28:47LambdaCalculus37Holy pieces of cow!! Hooray for Rick Dangerous!!
20:28:49SSnakeamiconn honestly i don't know
20:29:03SSnakeit's only my guess
20:29:30Crash91SSnake: sound or no sound, ill take it :)
20:29:41SSnakei've looked to solitare.c and sokoban.c and the only difference is the multisource environment
20:30:10Crash91SSnake: Doesnt sudoku have audio playback as well?
20:30:39SSnakesudoku has only playback menu
20:31:06*gevaerts managed a green delta for once
20:31:26SSnakethis night i'll try to copy all the code inside playback-control.c in my funcion to see if i'm right
20:31:43SSnakehowever the problem in playback-control.h remains
20:31:46amiconnWhy would you duplicate code?
20:32:05SSnakebecause whenever i call that function the audio stops
20:32:10gevaertsplayback-control.h looks correct to me
20:32:25amiconnDefine "that function"
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20:32:57SSnake@gavearts: playback_control_menu it's not a pointer
20:33:14gevaertsSSnake: if I read the MAKE_MENU macro it is.
20:33:37*gevaerts quickly inserts the word "correctly" before anyone notices it's missing
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20:34:14SSnakeif u look inside playbackcontrol.c you can see it's used with the "&"
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20:35:21pondlifeZagor: Another broken feature: build diffs - e.g.
20:35:51SSnake@amiconn: i tried all the functions inside playback-functions.h
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20:37:09pondlifeSSnake: How will you license your Rick Dangerous port? indicates there are problems...
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20:37:41amiconnplayback_control(rb); , i.e. the old method, is used in a bunch of plugins, all of which have it working correctly
20:37:43SSnakeand the couple: playback_control_init(rb); rb->domenu(&playback_control_menu,NULL)
20:37:58SSnakeof course but those plugin are single source files
20:38:03pondlife(I guess you'll have to ensure you don't include any of the original graphics or maps in your part?)
20:38:10SSnakethey are solitaire.c and sokoban.c
20:38:16amiconnsudoku is multi-source
20:38:22SSnakenbot sudoku
20:38:36*gevaerts leaves playback_control to those who know about it, and goes back to his own bugs
20:38:55amiconnjewels, jpeg, sokoban, solitaire, text_editor, viewer and sudoku
20:39:55bluebrotherif you can use the api from a single source plugin why shouldn't this be able from a multi-source plugin?
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20:40:11*bluebrother fails to see a reason why this could fail at all
20:40:28SSnakehonestly i don't know.....maybe there's a problem with rb variable handling
20:40:50amiconnplayback_control keeps its own copy of the api pointer
20:41:41amiconnThat's why you have to call playback_control_init(rb) before using any of the other functions, the only exception being playback_control(rb)
20:42:08SSnakeas i told you i tried the 2 methods
20:42:21SSnakeand they are equivalent if u look at the code
20:42:49SSnakeplayback_control_init(rb) just do the same of playback_control(rb)
20:43:32SSnakethe REAL problem (in my opinion) is that all the menu macros are global
20:44:42SSnakei mean global in playback-control.c
20:45:12SSnakethey should be incapsulated in some sort of function and later this function should only export the pointer to this menu structure
20:45:30gevaertsYou need globals _somewhere_
20:45:33SSnakein my menu source code i use other menu macros
20:45:53amiconnThat really shouldn't be a problem
20:45:56SSnakemaybe it generates some messing with rb handling dunno
20:46:04amiconnThe rockbox core has a whole bunch of menus
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20:47:33SSnakewhenever i call this lib function the playback stops and the playlist becomes empty
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20:48:47SSnakeand about the playback-cntrol.h? am i right?
20:49:20LosNirI'm feeling like i'm in #Irrlicht...
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20:49:30LosNirWhat do you use for 3d engine?
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20:50:22LosNir- oh it's a rockbox game.. :P
20:53:06SSnakewell i have to go now...i'll keep you updated if it works by dubplicating code...
20:53:29SSnakelater guys
20:53:40LambdaCalculus37Bye everyone!
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21:01:56BigBambiSSnake: What are you going to do about the licence?
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21:07:07*gevaerts doesn't like this bug...
21:09:05*stripwax_ tries profiling pacbox on ipod 5g..
21:09:55Crash91do the heretic and hexen wads work on rockbox?
21:11:00low_lightroolku: I have a modified mrobe lcd driver. 1) uses SSD1815 register defines (they seem mostly right), 2) implement inverse & flip, 3) implement lcd_blit (untested)
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21:12:47LosNirSuper 10
21:12:47DBUGEnqueued KICK LosNir
21:12:47LosNirA high purity electrical cleaner and mechanical lubricant for contacts, switches and relays. Removes grease, tarnish, oxidation and other contaminants from contact surfaces, and leaves a conductive lubricating film. Note: For removal of this lubricant, Aeroklene 50 and Coldklene 110 are recommended. 200ml aerosol.
21:13:10LosNir"and leaves a conductive lubricating film"
21:14:15Crash91LosNir: you could've linked to it
21:14:30LosNirIt was a long page...
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21:19:16gevaertsLosNir: It might still dry out transparently, but I don't know much about this. You can always use one of the removal products I guess (but read their description first...)
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21:30:56gevaertsThe svn log linked from the build status page are broken
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21:31:36peturmore work for Zagor
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21:32:42peturaha... I thought I checked that when Zagor asked... the old logs work but the new ones don't
21:33:57gevaertsIt's a good thing that I still know what I committed
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21:34:13low_lightroolku: I als have disassembly of the adc function (presumably for the battery.) It's slightly different from what we use in rockbox.
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21:34:35low_lightroolku: I don't know if it's anymore stable until I recalibrate the battery levels.
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21:45:54brokenbincan someone one help me restore my ipod?
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21:46:57scorche|shwhy do you need to restore it?
21:47:15brokenbini some how repartitioned it
21:47:22brokenbinand now itunes won't recognize it anymore
21:47:39scorche|shhow does one accidentally repartition one's ipod?
21:47:57brokenbini was trying to repartion one of my harddrives
21:48:07brokenbinand it turned out to be the wrong one
21:48:19bluebrotherbad idea ...
21:48:32scorche|shand itunes wont restore it?
21:48:33brokenbinanything i can do tho?
21:48:43bluebrotherwell, you can check if there is a MBR available on the ManualIpodRestore wiki page
21:48:52brokenbini checked
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21:48:55bluebrotherand write that back to the Ipod
21:48:57brokenbinthere's no mbr my my model
21:49:06scorche|shwhat is your model?
21:49:09brokenbini have a nano 3g
21:49:12bluebrothera similar one?
21:49:16scorche|shthis isnt an general ipod channel
21:49:18bluebrotheroh well ...
21:49:29bluebrotherwe don't support the nano 3G.
21:49:44bluebrotherso it's really unlikely to find information about that player here.
21:49:50brokenbinif i can get a mbr , how would i do that?
21:49:55scorche|shbut what?...this is #rockbox....where we support....rockbox
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21:50:07scorche|shdont ask us...go to ##apple or something like that
21:50:14bluebrotheron linux, dd the MBR to a file from a "good" Ipod. dd it back to yours.
21:50:27bluebrotherit's sector 0 of the "disc"
21:50:40brokenbinall i need is dd?
21:51:00bluebrotheryep, and a non-broken Ipod (same model, same size)
21:51:15bluebrotherunless you already overwrote the partition, then it's getting more complicated.
21:51:30brokenbinwhat do u mean overwrote the partition?
21:51:34bluebrotherand of course things might be different for the 3G. No idea what exactly Apple changed
21:51:45bluebrotherdid you write data to it after repartitioning?
21:51:59scorche|shlong story short: we dont know for sure...please ask somewhere else such as ##apple
21:52:00brokenbini couldn't
21:52:04bluebrotherwell, then it should be sufficient to restore the MBR.
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21:52:27brokenbincould u give me the dd command to restore it?
21:52:28bluebrotherbut I (and I guess nobody else in here) have no experience with that player.
21:52:41bluebrothertry "man dd" on any linux box :)
21:53:03bluebrotheryou need the first 512 bytes of the "disc"
21:53:36austriananyone here who knows how PCM recording works?
21:53:56bluebrotheryou mean the recording internals of Rockbox?
21:53:59austrianI'm writing a instrument tuner plugin
21:54:01Leargevaerts: So that "drivers" size thing fixed it?
21:54:20austrianI didn't mean you, lear ;9
21:54:27bluebrotherwell, not me. petur might.
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21:54:36*bluebrother remembers the KnowledgeMap wiki page
21:54:54gevaertsLear: yes. Stupid error in hindsight
21:54:59peturI know a bit of it, yes
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21:55:35peturaustrian: what is your problem?
21:56:02austrianwell, I've uploaded parts of what I've already written here:
21:56:47peturah... effects plugin
21:57:25peturI think you really need jhMikeS or preglow for that, but I can have a peek
21:57:34austrianI'm assuming it should work like this: 1. call pcm_record_data -> all recorded data gets filled in the buffer 2. when the buffer is full, the callback funktion is called
21:57:54austrianthen I have to call pcm_record_more and submit a new buffer and so on
21:58:49*bluebrother thinks about a startup screen for rbutil ... wondering if a splash screen would be too annoying
21:59:09austrianMy problem is: the simulator doesn't support recording, and on my X5 the callback funktion get's called when the buffer contains no data at all!
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22:01:11peturhmmm that is very specific... preglow should have put his effectsplugin somewhere as sample
22:02:17scorche|shbluebrother: is there a reason we need one?
22:02:59bluebrotherscorche|sh: well, my idea is to do some startup check stuff. Like performing a usb scan and permission checks
22:03:21bluebrotherso we can inform the user immediately about issues (or possibly his player being unsupported)
22:04:05bluebrotherwe don't need a splash itself. I'm just wondering if that would give a nicer look
22:04:19gevaertsHow long do these checks take ?
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22:04:30bluebrotherthe alternative would be the progress window
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22:04:39bluebrothershouldn't be long.
22:04:54bluebrotherso it might be a bit of overkill to show anything at all ;)
22:04:57scorche|shi think i would rather have a progress window with an image and text saying what it is doing
22:05:37austrian@ petur: where can I find this effectsplugin? I didn't find it in the tracker..
22:05:42bluebrotherthat was my idea too.
22:05:45*scorche|sh hates splashes that seem to do nothing and dont tell you if they are doing something at all
22:06:02preglowpetur: yes, i should
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22:06:15preglowpetur: still planning to commit it, but have absolutely no rockbox time :/
22:06:33peturaustrian, meet preglow. preglow, meet austrian
22:06:35bluebrotherheh, showing a splash screen is easy :o
22:06:54bblackspeaking about rbutil, the progress bars should be set to 100% when everything is done. they are still missing a bit of green in the end of the bar :)
22:06:58preglowaustrian: i think that should compile, still
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22:07:11gevaertsIf the splash screen says it's doing these checks, I think it's a good idea
22:07:22austrianpreglow, thanks
22:09:00lostlogicis it just me or has playback responsiveness taken a major dump in the last ~30-50 days?
22:10:05austrianyour plugin looks quite massive - but it should give me all the information I need. Thanks again!
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22:11:23shotofaddsis it known that the change links from dev.cgi aren't working?
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22:12:03peturshotofadds: yes, some stuff got moved around and might not work perfectly
22:12:41LinuxJuggalowhich build should i get for an ipod nano 8GB?
22:12:54linuxstbThere is only one Nano build.
22:12:58scorche|shrockbox doesnt support and nanos with 8GB
22:13:21shotofaddspetur: just makes it harder to find out the red build wasn't me :-)
22:13:40preglowaustrian: well, it's got a menu system and stuff to control parameters
22:13:59*gevaerts is now testing the fix
22:14:29LinuxJuggalolinuxstb, i see more than one, nano 1st gen which isnt obviously for the 8GB nano, and then i see iPod 3rd gen, so im kinda confused cause the documentation of the nano says its 3G
22:14:51stripwaxLinuxJuggalo - that is "ipod classic 3rd gen"
22:14:53scorche|shLinuxJuggalo: yes...3rd gen *ipod*...not 3rd gen ipod nano
22:15:02scorche|shstripwax: dont say classic
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22:15:09stripwaxsorry - "ipod original"
22:15:11LinuxJuggaloso there is no build for an 8GB nano?
22:15:18linuxstbLinuxJuggalo: As I said, there is only one Rockbox Nano build... And as scorche|sh said, Rockbox won't work on a 3rd gen Nano
22:15:23scorche|shcorrect, as those are a 2nd or 3rd gen nano
22:15:24*stripwax curses - now it's in the logs.. forever..
22:15:36LinuxJuggalook then....
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22:16:58scorche|shstripwax: perhaps in a year or 2 you will be saying classic ipod nano video ;)
22:17:17*stripwax hopes not :)
22:17:25linuxstbOr talking about a 3rd gen Classic...
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22:20:17LinuxJuggalook then, what about the curent ipod classic? the big clunky 80GB one, which build would suit that one?
22:20:34scorche|shall the devices we support are on the front page
22:21:03scorche|shwhich specifically says 2nd and 3rd gen nanos and 6th gen ipods are not supported
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22:22:03LinuxJuggaloah man
22:22:14LinuxJuggalobut those ones supported suck
22:22:52stripwaxLinuxJuggalo - can you help us support the "not sucky" ones?
22:23:31LinuxJuggalosorry, wish i could :(
22:24:32stripwaxLinuxJuggalo - the clunky 80GB 5.5G iPod Video *is* supported , but this is not a current (6G) model
22:26:49LinuxJuggaloyeah thats the thing, im looking on buying an ipod but none of the ones supported are currently at the stores....
22:27:12LinuxJuggaloas far i can see anyways
22:27:33scorche|shyou dont have to buy an ipod...
22:27:43scorche|shthere are better devices for far less on ebay
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22:29:18LinuxJuggaloi know, but i want an ipod
22:29:33peturpoor fellow ;)
22:35:47*gevaerts finally got it back to green
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22:40:08peturamiconn: ping
22:41:43rockbox_noobany known fix for a 5.5g 80gb ipod that wont resume after it automatically shuts off from being idle? After i unplug the dock connector it comes right back to life.
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22:44:57bblackSlasheri: there?
22:45:15Slasheribblack: hi, just going to sleep :)
22:45:25rockbox_noobno ideas?
22:45:59bblackbblack: ok, have a good night then; maybe I'll cactch you at some point to talk about db locking in tagcache
22:46:38Slasheriok, see you tomorrow :) good night you too
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22:47:27bblacksun is still up here, time for gym and some Rockbox testing :D
22:47:53DefineByteAny peeps involved with the manual want to take a look at FS #8715?
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22:54:34gevaertsLosNir: yes ?
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22:58:32LosNirI'm screwed up..
22:58:52LosNirThe spray left some signs on the screen..
22:59:07LosNirit wont evaporate i think.
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23:01:15LosNirI packaged it and wrote a letter, hopefully they will replace it.
23:01:53LosNirI didn't mention the screen signs, if they will ask about it, i will say i didn't know aobut it and it may be something with the shipment.
23:02:14gevaertsWell, the connector damage has nothing to do with those stains, so they should replace or repair it anyway. I expect that if they repair it they probably also clean it.
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23:03:04LosNirI hope these are not permant.
23:03:22gevaertsAnd I expect they probably won't ask. These players are pretty cheap, so they won't want to spend too much time asking questions.
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23:05:37LosNirWell, you never know how it's going on with the Israelies electronics stores (yes - i know i offend my country)
23:06:57LosNirWell, anyway, i have an excuse, i replaced the player before in a reason of on arrival broken screen.
23:07:51LosNirSo they'll think that it's somehow connected.. (maybe the will think the plaeyrs lcd screen is poor)..
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23:08:50LosNirAnyway, i hope that my theory will work. I'll send the package tomrrow.
23:09:00gevaertsGood luck
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23:30:01bluebrotherBagder: the www server misses the build-info files :(
23:30:08BagderI know
23:30:22BagderI blame zagor
23:38:17bluebrotherunfortunately that breaks Rockbox Utility :(
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23:40:48Bagderwhat URL is that using?
23:42:42bluebrotherhmm, strange. We also have this file on the download server
23:43:22Bagderbut the download servers are lagging behind a bit too much to be useful for the latest builds
23:43:37Bagderup to 60 minutes
23:44:20dionoeaI can sync every 5 minutes if you want ... not sure if it'd be very useful.
23:44:34bluebrotherany way we could make rbutil always using the master download server for this?
23:45:08Bagderwell, the mater download server isn't that up-to-date with this particular file anyway
23:46:46bluebrotherhmm. rbutil needs to get smarter about download failures.
23:48:34Bagderokay, the build-info url works again
23:49:19bluebrotherbut error handling definitely needs to get improved in rbutil.
23:49:33bluebrothershould go for some sleep though ...
23:49:39*bluebrother has a new item on his todo
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