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| 00:02:01 | * | gevaerts would add m:robe 100 to that list, but no-one knows when that will be ready either I guess |
| 00:03:06 | pixelma | yeah, just noticed myself that I forgot about that one. I only thought that "portalplayer targets" might be a bit abstract for a newbie... |
| 00:04:57 | gevaerts | It might be, yes. And maybe even "portalplayer targets" would be too concrete, since once people figure out the correct enable magic, it should also work on iMX31 |
| 00:05:55 | pixelma | ah, right |
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| 00:08:58 | Kupopop | I took apart my iriver H140 just now and noticed that there are RXD and TXD pads on the main board |
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| 00:09:25 | bluebrother | those are an unconnected UART running at 3.3V levels (IIRC) |
| 00:09:33 | tanjahreeen | hi sorry i disconnected |
| 00:09:37 | bluebrother | there is documentation about this in the wiki somewhere. |
| 00:09:45 | Kupopop | okay I'll have a look thanks |
| 00:09:51 | tanjahreeen | how do i connect my sansa with rockbox onto the pC? |
| 00:10:08 | bluebrother | using a cable ;) |
| 00:10:11 | tanjahreeen | i do |
| 00:10:20 | tanjahreeen | but my pc does not recognize it |
| 00:10:21 | bluebrother | you need to boot into the OF for disk access |
| 00:10:30 | tanjahreeen | uhhh |
| 00:10:36 | tanjahreeen | i dont know that that is |
| 00:10:38 | pixelma | turn it off and then connect |
| 00:10:49 | tanjahreeen | ohhh |
| 00:11:11 | bluebrother | the FAQ knows this ... |
| 00:11:15 | pixelma | or you could boot into the Original Firmware manually... |
| 00:11:39 | tanjahreeen | wait |
| 00:11:41 | tanjahreeen | actually |
| 00:11:47 | tanjahreeen | i turned it off |
| 00:11:56 | tanjahreeen | while the cabel was plugged in |
| 00:11:59 | pixelma | and sometimes you don't need to turn it off and it just reboots automatically |
| 00:11:59 | tanjahreeen | and rockbox booted normally |
| 00:12:08 | tanjahreeen | but |
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| 00:12:13 | tanjahreeen | it didnt show up |
| 00:12:19 | tanjahreeen | on my pc |
| 00:12:23 | bluebrother | did it boot into the OF? |
| 00:12:38 | tanjahreeen | lol |
| 00:12:38 | * | bluebrother considers making the key column in the buttonmap fixed width |
| 00:12:41 | tanjahreeen | sorry |
| 00:12:46 | bluebrother | rotfl. |
| 00:12:51 | tanjahreeen | can you tell me how to boot into the OF? |
| 00:12:54 | pixelma | could you please try to put one sentence on one line instead of 4 or 5? Makes it so much easier to read |
| 00:12:59 | bluebrother | sorry, was just because. |
| 00:13:08 | tanjahreeen | i dont know how to do it |
| 00:13:14 | tanjahreeen | and i misunderstood you |
| 00:13:14 | bluebrother | tanjahreeen: have you tried the FAQ? Or the manual? |
| 00:13:20 | tanjahreeen | uhhh |
| 00:13:21 | tanjahreeen | yeah |
| 00:13:23 | tanjahreeen | but |
| 00:13:26 | tanjahreeen | its kinda confusing |
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| 00:13:32 | bluebrother | the manual at least holds how to boot into the OF. |
| 00:13:37 | tanjahreeen | kk |
| 00:13:38 | tanjahreeen | thanks |
| 00:13:41 | tanjahreeen | ill check it out |
| 00:14:39 | tanjahreeen | kk |
| 00:14:46 | tanjahreeen | i did the original firmware |
| 00:14:52 | tanjahreeen | but when i do msc mode |
| 00:14:57 | tanjahreeen | nothing happens |
| 00:15:04 | pixelma | turn your player off while the cable is not connected and then just connect. In case you have a microSD plugged it can happen that the original firmware starts but doesn't register the USB connection |
| 00:15:37 | pixelma | tanjahreeen: and please don't use the enter key so often - there is no need for that... |
| 00:15:45 | tanjahreeen | sorry |
| 00:15:51 | tanjahreeen | ok |
| 00:16:09 | * | bluebrother saw it again ... |
| 00:16:13 | tanjahreeen | so i am in the "OF" i plugged my cable in... but nothing happens |
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| 00:16:36 | pixelma | do you have a microSD inserted? |
| 00:16:39 | tanjahreeen | no |
| 00:17:13 | pixelma | so you're saying that you don't get the "connected" screen? |
| 00:17:19 | tanjahreeen | no |
| 00:17:29 | tanjahreeen | i mean yes that is what im saying |
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| 00:17:46 | tanjahreeen | im thinking that my sansa thinks the cable is like a wall charger |
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| 00:18:32 | pixelma | could you try to plug it again (leave the Original Firmware running) - maybe even try a different port on your computer? |
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| 00:18:55 | tanjahreeen | kk |
| 00:18:56 | bluebrother | maybe there's a hub inbetween causing errors? |
| 00:18:57 | tanjahreeen | ill try |
| 00:19:08 | tanjahreeen | nope, no hub |
| 00:19:34 | tanjahreeen | yay it worked |
| 00:19:42 | tanjahreeen | i guess that usb prot stopped working |
| 00:21:40 | tanjahreeen | thanks guys |
| 00:25:26 | tanjahreeen | and by the way, is there a possibilty that i can keep my menu in english, but if my songs are in chinese, that they are displayed in my song list? |
| 00:26:05 | bluebrother | the tracks are listed according to their tags (database) or filenames. |
| 00:26:18 | bluebrother | how should we "translate" your tags` |
| 00:26:25 | tanjahreeen | not translate |
| 00:26:37 | tanjahreeen | like keep them and display them in their original characters |
| 00:26:52 | bluebrother | well, name your files / tags accordingly. |
| 00:27:06 | bluebrother | or, asking first: have you already tried? |
| 00:27:50 | tanjahreeen | the tag is in chinese |
| 00:27:57 | tanjahreeen | yes my songs are in chinese |
| 00:28:15 | tanjahreeen | but rockbox is not displaying anything in place where chinese is the tag |
| 00:28:25 | tanjahreeen | it is just blank |
| 00:28:40 | bluebrother | you need to use a font that has these characters. Try unifont |
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| 00:28:59 | bluebrother | and depending on your tags you might need to select the correct codepage |
| 00:30:04 | tanjahreeen | where can i find unifont? |
| 00:30:38 | bluebrother | its part of the fonts package |
| 00:31:05 | tanjahreeen | ok thanks i selected it, and it works thanks alot! |
| 00:31:18 | * | bluebrother sighs |
| 00:31:44 | tanjahreeen | 1 question though, from now on do i have to select it when i turn it on? or is it default now |
| 00:32:13 | bluebrother | http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 00:32:18 | tanjahreeen | lol |
| 00:32:18 | pixelma | why not try? ;) |
| 00:32:32 | * | bluebrother gets really tired by these FAQ questions |
| 00:32:32 | tanjahreeen | nevermind i just tried it thanks you guys ill stop bothering you guys now |
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| 00:32:41 | tanjahreeen | bye! |
| 00:32:47 | * | bluebrother goes building all manuals |
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| 00:32:50 | * | gevaerts also has a question... |
| 00:33:07 | * | bluebrother hides |
| 00:33:09 | pixelma | bluebrother: that's double... |
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| 00:33:37 | scorche|sh | gevaerts: you are supposed to log in as streaveg when you ask questions ;) |
| 00:33:47 | bluebrother | LOL |
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| 00:34:16 | * | bluebrother awaits question |
| 00:34:36 | streaveg | Can any settting be put in a theme .cfg file, or is it limited to theme-related settings ? |
| 00:34:54 | bluebrother | streaveg: a cfg can hold as much settings as it wants to |
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| 00:35:07 | * | streaveg is making a theme for gevaerts's gigabeat |
| 00:35:14 | | Nick streaveg is now known as gevaerts (n=fg@195-144-092-136.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) |
| 00:35:25 | bluebrother | but putting non-theme settings in a theme setting might be confusing though ... |
| 00:35:47 | scorche|sh | (if you are going to distribute, that is) |
| 00:36:11 | gevaerts | I promise not to distribute a theme that enables dircache :) |
| 00:36:30 | bluebrother | scorche|sh: you might even confuse yourself if you load such a "theme" file a couple of weeks later and wonder why like the volume changed too ;) |
| 00:37:08 | bluebrother | but technically are theme files only a convenience thing |
| 00:37:25 | scorche|sh | bluebrother: i would REALLY confuse myself if it did that as i never listen out of the headphone port and only out of the line out ;) |
| 00:37:31 | gevaerts | Actually on the sansa c200 screen, it might make sense to include brightness/contrast settings |
| 00:38:04 | pixelma | gevaerts: I think it wouldn't - someone else's screen might be different... |
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| 00:39:22 | gevaerts | there is that of course. Especially on sansa, where nobody seems to know what parts are included in what player... |
| 00:39:28 | pixelma | gevaerts: or even someone else's eyes or "watching habits", if I think of how different people adjust the colour settings of a TV for example |
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| 00:40:05 | * | gevaerts probably wouldn't be a good theme builder |
| 00:40:09 | scorche|sh | and if they happen to listen in their bed at night or in their car in the daytime |
| 00:40:29 | pixelma | bluebrother: "slightly breakable space"? |
| 00:40:33 | gevaerts | They should use different themes for day and night ! |
| 00:40:48 | scorche|sh | gevaerts: actually, i do sometimes... ;) |
| 00:40:50 | bluebrother | yeah, something that _could_ get broken but is preferred to get not |
| 00:40:56 | pixelma | gevaerts: automatically chosen by daytime? |
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| 00:41:16 | Nico_P | DAPs need light sensors! :) |
| 00:41:17 | bluebrother | I'm fiddling with the button tables −− the long alternate lists require some change here |
| 00:41:29 | scorche|sh | maybe that could be a use for the ambient light sensor on PrototypeB!...measure the light and adjust your theme accordingly |
| 00:41:36 | scorche|sh | Nico_P: hah |
| 00:41:38 | bluebrother | pixelma: automatically chosen by users mood ;-) |
| 00:41:57 | gevaerts | ... which can be determined from what's playing |
| 00:42:17 | bluebrother | pixelma: check the button table for the virtual keyboard in the e200 manual :/ |
| 00:42:17 | scorche|sh | perhaps we could have a device that goes on one's arm and changes their theme by their pulse |
| 00:42:40 | * | scorche|sh waits for AAP support to come in so such a device can be possible ;) |
| 00:42:41 | bluebrother | (i.e. the output) |
| 00:42:44 | Nico_P | or a a camera and facial expression recognition |
| 00:42:58 | bluebrother | the MR500 has a camera already ... |
| 00:43:19 | Nico_P | yeah we just need to code the facial expression recognition... piece of cake! |
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| 00:43:45 | scorche|sh | and here is the man to do it! |
| 00:43:55 | Nico_P | after that we can turn it into an accelerometer |
| 00:43:58 | pixelma | bluebrother: do you mean the wide first colums, especially for "scroll back/ scroll forward" or the length of the table? |
| 00:44:12 | bluebrother | yes. |
| 00:44:18 | gevaerts | Actually, since some players have i2c on their dock connector, this ambient light sensor might be doable |
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| 00:44:31 | bluebrother | it makes the description somewhat unreadable |
| 00:44:44 | pixelma | bluebrother: yes, would be nice if thw width could be limited somehow |
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| 00:44:58 | bluebrother | but I think I have an acceptable solution now |
| 00:45:16 | pixelma | s/thw/the |
| 00:45:35 | bluebrother | hmm, I need to admit that I kinda like having a splash screen in rbutil |
| 00:46:01 | bluebrother | but no more on this as of today. Got work to do in a bunch of hours, should really go for sleep now. |
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| 00:46:41 | pixelma | same here, night |
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| 02:34:01 | Zieen_ | Hi. I'm having some problems with rockbox utility identifying my player. Anyone around? |
| 02:39:06 | Zieen_ | Hmm I suppose I'll just ask my question and hope someone pops in. |
| 02:39:39 | Zieen_ | I have a Sansa e280 v1 (I assumed it's version 1, because I can put it into recovery mode). Rockbox won't autodetect it. Do I have to be in recovery mode to install rockbox? |
| 02:40:47 | advcomp2019 | Zieen_, you have the sansa in msc or mtp mode or is it a e200r? |
| 02:40:51 | Zieen_ | And can I dual boot with the automatic install |
| 02:41:06 | Zieen_ | it's an e100 and its in recovery mode atm |
| 02:41:28 | Zieen_ | I just put it into recovery. Didn't want to try and install right now because i wasn't sure if it was safe |
| 02:41:49 | Zieen_ | restarting it now |
| 02:41:51 | advcomp2019 | is it a e100 or e200? |
| 02:41:56 | Zieen_ | e200 |
| 02:42:06 | Zieen_ | it's in mtp |
| 02:42:15 | Zieen_ | do i want msc to install rockbox? |
| 02:42:18 | advcomp2019 | use msc mode |
| 02:42:22 | Zieen_ | ok thanks |
| 02:42:30 | Zieen_ | and i can get dual boot through automatic installation, correct? |
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| 02:43:24 | advcomp2019 | you will need to use dual boot till the usb support for the pp based players is out |
| 02:43:45 | Zieen_ | ok. windows is demanding I restart. Thanks for the help |
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| 02:58:54 | Zieen_ | Hi. I'm back with more problems |
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| 03:00:05 | Zieen_ | Configuration autodetects my e200, but I have to specify the mount point manually. No problem. However, when I try to install the bootloader it says No Sansas found. |
| 03:00:17 | Zieen_ | I'm in MSC mode currently. Do I have to be in recovery to install the bootloader? |
| 03:00:26 | advcomp2019 | no |
| 03:00:49 | advcomp2019 | what sansa firmware do you have on the sansa right now |
| 03:01:02 | Zieen_ | nvm |
| 03:01:06 | Zieen_ | I had to restart the rockbox utility lol |
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| 03:26:00 | Zieen_ | How do you enable dual boot? |
| 03:27:38 | krazykit | the manual covers that. |
| 03:27:40 | advcomp2019 | have you read the manual |
| 03:27:42 | Zieen_ | hmm |
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| 03:27:54 | Zieen_ | oh not the rockbox utility manual the normal one |
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| 05:19:17 | Davide-NYC | JdGordon: ping |
| 05:19:24 | JdGordon | pong |
| 05:19:27 | JdGordon | replying to the thread |
| 05:19:34 | Davide-NYC | recording screen has me salivating |
| 05:19:36 | JdGordon | and runnning out in a min |
| 05:19:37 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
| 05:20:09 | Davide-NYC | I'm going to go to Guitar Center (massive retailer) and check out the high end recording devices tomorrow (time permitting) |
| 05:20:29 | Davide-NYC | see if there is anything we're missing. I doubt it though. |
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| 05:21:55 | Davide-NYC | OMG it's very late. Good night. I'll respond to the thread tomorrow as promised. |
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| 05:27:19 | WeaponX | hiya |
| 05:27:50 | WeaponX | quick question, when updating to a newer version of rockbox, is there a way i can update without loosing my settings and stuff like game highscores? |
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| 05:28:48 | scorche | how are you currently updating? |
| 05:29:09 | WeaponX | well i was going to replace the .rockbox folder with a new one |
| 05:29:10 | WeaponX | XD |
| 05:30:41 | scorche | just extract over the folder as the manual says |
| 05:31:07 | WeaponX | but wont that delete all my previous settings, files, etc? |
| 05:32:06 | scorche | no |
| 05:32:30 | WeaponX | alrighty thanx |
| 05:32:34 | scorche | it will replace the same files that are in the zip |
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| 06:03:33 | echelon_ | for some reason last night, i couldn't find fm radio in the menu |
| 06:03:53 | echelon_ | and in debugging, it said there was no fm radio hw found |
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| 06:08:46 | advcomp2019 | echelon_, what player do you have? |
| 06:09:01 | echelon_ | sansa c250 |
| 06:09:36 | echelon_ | but it's working now though |
| 06:09:43 | echelon_ | i thought i was going crazy |
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| 08:12:54 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Hmm, why is this explicit locking necessary? |
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| 08:13:36 | amiconn | disk_mount() accesses the card in the regular way |
| 08:14:08 | amiconn | And the unmount case doesn't touch the card at all... |
| 08:21:50 | jhMikeS | actually I need to step up and lock fat before that. I can also combine the two cases. |
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| 08:22:56 | jhMikeS | you also don't want the .initialized and .retry to be touched during access |
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| 08:24:34 | amiconn | What else would touch them? |
| 08:25:10 | amiconn | Also, what could cause SYS_HOTSWAP_INSERTED without an intermediate SYS_HOTSWAP_EXTRACTED? |
| 08:26:29 | jhMikeS | insert card, pull card, reinsert, within timeout duration...which I could make it do and lose the ability to mount the card permanently |
| 08:27:44 | amiconn | I'm asking because the Ondio handles hotswap exactly this way without any extra locking, and I've never seen any problems resulting from that |
| 08:30:00 | amiconn | Actually, it does one extra thing in the hotswap monitoring tick - it resets the 'initialized' flag on extract |
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| 08:30:58 | amiconn | That's an oversight from my side - the equvalent place would be the 'else' case in sd1_oneshot_callback() |
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| 08:33:05 | jhMikeS | my testing is rather abusive and proper unmount and sync ensure it always releases files mounts properly no matter what sequence happens |
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| 08:43:24 | * | amiconn also tried quite hard to make it fails, but didn't manage to do so even without those extra measures... |
| 08:46:40 | * | jhMikeS managed to kill it in about 30 seconds by deliberately producing certain sequences |
| 08:47:30 | LinusN | i assume that the race is about a thread using the disk while it is pulled, right? |
| 08:48:27 | amiconn | Hmm, weird |
| 08:50:26 | jhMikeS | LinusN: pulled or inserted |
| 08:50:45 | LinusN | how can the disk be used when it is inserted? |
| 08:51:32 | jhMikeS | do a resume on a file that resides on the SD card while having the insert timeout pending |
| 08:52:28 | jhMikeS | so, insert, resume, pull, insert |
| 08:56:30 | * | LinusN spots a coding guidelines violation: tCardInfo |
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| 08:57:50 | jhMikeS | hasn't that been there for ages? |
| 08:58:26 | Bagder | it sounds like a name used in a data sheet or similar |
| 08:59:06 | Bagder | (that sometimes makes rules violations more sensible) |
| 08:59:38 | LinusN | committed 8 months ago by a dude called jethead71 :-) |
| 09:00 |
| 09:00:05 | Bagder | LinusN: did you send out the hit team yet? |
| 09:00:12 | jhMikeS | LinusN: Indeed. I just left it as is. |
| 09:00:26 | * | jhMikeS didn't name it |
| 09:00:44 | LinusN | Bagder: i told them to wait outside for my signal |
| 09:01:04 | * | jhMikeS runs for the bunker |
| 09:01:32 | amiconn | Ahem, /me named it, back in 2004 |
| 09:01:35 | * | amiconn hides |
| 09:02:06 | LinusN | it's good that it is prefixed by a "t", how else would i know that it is a type? :-P |
| 09:04:54 | amiconn | Dates back to the first working Ondio MMC driver... |
| 09:05:29 | jhMikeS | CamelCase is a capital crime ;) |
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| 09:10:07 | LinusN | amiconn: and you managed to escape the hitmen for al these years - impressive :-) |
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| 09:17:23 | amiconn | Shall I remove it? |
| 09:18:09 | LinusN | not that it' |
| 09:18:12 | amiconn | I think even the typedef ins't necessary, as that type is neither used in very many places, nor is it a function type |
| 09:18:29 | LinusN | s high prio, but it would be good if it was cleaned |
| 09:18:50 | amiconn | (with functions, not using a typedef can be a pita) |
| 09:19:26 | amiconn | I think just 'struct card_info' will do here |
| 09:19:36 | LinusN | sounds much nicer |
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| 09:34:53 | * | jhMikeS hates circular init depedencies (a card insert at the wrong time can make disk_mount be called before fat_init is called) |
| 09:41:04 | amiconn | You mean at boot? |
| 09:41:27 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 09:41:40 | jhMikeS | unlikely but possible |
| 09:42:03 | amiconn | On Ondio, MMC hotswap monitoring isn't enabled right from the beginning, e.g. for that reason |
| 09:42:15 | amiconn | It's explicitly enabled later |
| 09:42:59 | * | jhMikeS doing a crackdown on repeat kernel object inits (which are really bad to do and appeared in fat.c and in the pp i2c) |
| 09:43:32 | amiconn | see disk.c:disk_mount_all(), hotswap.h, and ata_mmc.c |
| 09:44:27 | amiconn | No need to do sophisticated mutexing here. Just make sure things happen in the correct order |
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| 09:44:38 | amiconn | LinusN: pm_ping |
| 09:44:57 | jhMikeS | amiconn: for that the e200 should follow suit |
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| 10:10:52 | desowin | Bagder: those 0x10 bytes starting with "aa bb ff ee" are indeed some marker |
| 10:13:14 | desowin | would it be okay to me to put those 16 bytes and zsi_fw output on wiki? |
| 10:13:23 | Bagder | sure |
| 10:13:43 | Bagder | could the other parts of the 0x10 bytes be addresses? or counters? |
| 10:14:44 | desowin | sounds like adresses |
| 10:14:56 | desowin | and some bytes are displayed by zsi_fw |
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| 10:19:06 | desowin | wiki updated |
| 10:24:02 | Bagder | the last 32 bits is obviously the length |
| 10:24:07 | Bagder | 00 38 1b 00 |
| 10:24:31 | Bagder | excluding the header itself |
| 10:26:00 | Bagder | since the .srr file is 1B3810 bytes |
| 10:27:09 | Bagder | quite possible the 32 bit value at offset 4 is an address where the data is put |
| 10:27:26 | Bagder | or something |
| 10:28:46 | Bagder | 04400020 is ~71MB... |
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| 10:31:03 | retarded | is degrading a crime or unacceptable by society? is it smart or stupid to degrade as a money wise person in mind? |
| 10:31:18 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 10:31:18 | desowin | you're indeed retarded... |
| 10:31:29 | Mode | "#rockbox +b *!*@*.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 10:31:30 | Kick | (#rockbox retarded :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder |
| 10:31:56 | petur | that was quick ;) |
| 10:32:09 | Bagder | it was so obvious he came here to troll |
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| 10:34:53 | gevaerts | Good morning all |
| 10:35:53 | markun | morning |
| 10:36:45 | gevaerts | My coworker told me he won't be able to get the PCF50607 datasheet for me : his contacts are in the wrong nxp division (ironically, they're in the DAP-chip division..). So it's either mailing nxp directly, or figuring it out from lots of measurements. |
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| 10:37:35 | amiconn | The Mini G2 has PCF50605. Unfortunately I don't think I'll be able to do these measurements :( |
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| 10:38:04 | Bagder | desowin: hey |
| 10:38:09 | Bagder | "Loading: 1008000 16809984 1754944" |
| 10:38:15 | amiconn | When dissecting the Mini G2, it's necessary to discommect the wheel. It stays in the case |
| 10:38:15 | Bagder | that 1008000 is found in the header |
| 10:38:19 | desowin | yeah |
| 10:38:23 | desowin | all three are |
| 10:38:26 | desowin | just |
| 10:38:27 | Bagder | indeed |
| 10:38:36 | desowin | 16809984 = 0xffffffff |
| 10:38:52 | amiconn | So I dont know how to operate the Mini while it's opened... |
| 10:39:16 | desowin | ah not, you pasted the vmlinux marker |
| 10:39:20 | desowin | my mistake |
| 10:39:31 | Bagder | ah right, but still |
| 10:39:50 | Bagder | 4294967295 is 0xffffffff |
| 10:40:04 | desowin | yeah, it was just what I wanted to say |
| 10:44:28 | desowin | also vmlinux is /dev/mtd2, and initrd is /dev/mtd3 as it can be seen in "fupdate" script in initrd |
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| 10:49:20 | gevaerts | Would it make sense to do this on a 4G, color or photo ? Or would that change too many variables at the same time (both PP5020 and PCF50605) ? Of course I'd need to get one first. |
| 10:50:13 | Bagder | desowin: btw, it uses an openssl version with numerous known vulnerabilities, if you ever feel like getting access through that means |
| 10:50:23 | Bagder | s/that/those |
| 10:50:56 | desowin | could we write patcher that uses those? ;) |
| 10:51:09 | Bagder | I think you can |
| 10:52:09 | linuxstb_ | gevaerts: Could you get hold of the PNX010x datasheets? IIUC, no-one has found them yet... |
| 10:52:16 | Bagder | there's at least one buffer overflow in the list that sounds like it can be used |
| 10:52:35 | Bagder | "A buffer overflow was discovered in the SSL_get_shared_ciphers() utility function. An attacker could send a list of ciphers to an application that uses this function and overrun a buffer." |
| 10:52:58 | LinusN | ah, good old fashioned hacking |
| 10:53:55 | gevaerts | linuxstb_: I can always ask. |
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| 11:05:07 | jhMikeS | what happened to the commit summaries when you click the time on the build table? |
| 11:05:37 | gevaerts | linuxstb: I assume you found http://www.nxp.com/acrobat_download/datasheets/PNX0161_1.pdf ? It only seems to contain pinout info unfortunately |
| 11:06:12 | * | gevaerts reads again and sees an extra 0 in linuxstb's question |
| 11:06:29 | jhMikeS | the last revision that shows one is 16600 |
| 11:06:55 | jhMikeS | oops 16601 |
| 11:09:20 | linuxstb_ | gevaerts: I'm just going by what's on this page - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PhilipsPNX0101 |
| 11:09:56 | jhMikeS | is this phenomenon just somehow /me or did I miss a conversation about it? :) |
| 11:11:09 | petur | jhMikeS: it is known, I think they (Bagder,Zagor) are working on it |
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| 11:14:38 | BoD[] | Hello ! |
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| 11:15:29 | BoD[] | hey... Yesterday I subscribed to the mailing list, and posted a msg, but it seems it was not received (doesn't appear on the archive page). Any idea? |
| 11:16:44 | LinusN | which mailing list was it? |
| 11:17:03 | BoD[] | rockbox@cool.haxx.se |
| 11:19:03 | LinusN | you seem to be subscribed allright |
| 11:19:18 | BoD[] | hmmm |
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| 11:29:23 | petur | Bod[]: does your mailclient use the same 'from' address as the one you subscribed? |
| 11:30:42 | BoD[] | petur: actually that was the problem. LinusN helped me on a private window |
| 11:30:43 | LinusN | petur: we sorted it out in a private channel |
| 11:30:55 | petur | ah ok |
| 11:30:56 | LinusN | :-) |
| 11:31:52 | BoD[] | I thought I was clever with my fancy tmda email addresses ;) |
| 11:32:04 | BoD[] | but that's not so good with mailing lists |
| 11:38:56 | amiconn | jhMikeS: (1) disk.c line 107 can be shortened to #ifdef HAVE_HOTSWAP (2) Could you explain why the fat driver needs locking? |
| 11:40:16 | amiconn | Oh, and there's yellow |
| 11:42:25 | jhMikeS | 1) Yes, it should be that (after more looking) 2) ata is sometimes used without the sectore cache involved. 3) I'm trying to straighten out the yellow nicely. 4) The hwcodec targets don't need that function so what to do there |
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| 11:46:05 | desowin | is chrisjs162216 from anythingbyipod here? |
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| 11:50:04 | desowin | I'm refering to "You'd need the signature for the bootloader to accept the firmware" |
| 11:50:34 | desowin | either he didn't have connect in hands ;) or he found out something important |
| 11:51:48 | desowin | as the .sig file is just gpg signed platform file, and it's being checked by thing that lies in initrd, and hence I assume patching initrd would help us :D |
| 11:55:46 | JdGordon | anyone feel like making the peak meters work in the sim? |
| 11:56:54 | petur | I thought they did some random signal? |
| 11:57:29 | petur | hmmm not anymore |
| 11:58:02 | JdGordon | thats what I was hoping, but yeah... its boring and not showing anything |
| 11:58:38 | petur | weird, I can remember adding the output of rand to it |
| 11:58:44 | * | petur peeks at the code |
| 11:58:52 | desowin | if there's anyone familiar with compressed romfs, and is willing to help, please pm me |
| 11:59:57 | petur | ah, amiconn removed that in r14650 |
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| 12:00:50 | * | petur wonders why - SWCODEC doesn't have real signal inputs on the sim, right? |
| 12:01:07 | petur | JdGordon: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/recorder/peakmeter.c?r1=14467&r2=14650 |
| 12:01:28 | JdGordon | thats an odd diff |
| 12:01:37 | JdGordon | accidental commit maybe? |
| 12:01:39 | petur | amiconn: ping |
| 12:01:52 | petur | no, the commit message mentions this |
| 12:02:51 | JdGordon | works fine in the sim... |
| 12:03:16 | petur | I know it worked, I added it |
| 12:03:36 | JdGordon | why the srand every call though? |
| 12:03:43 | petur | maybe there are plans to let the sim record |
| 12:03:45 | JdGordon | not that it would change anything |
| 12:04:16 | petur | JdGordon: it was actually the result of some debug code.... |
| 12:04:26 | JdGordon | commented them out and now its nice and random |
| 12:04:47 | JdGordon | so rec screen is now 3 lines, peak meters at sysfont height then the list |
| 12:05:06 | JdGordon | top is forced to sysfont if ui font doesnt allow for it |
| 12:05:17 | petur | JdGordon: one important thing: we want to get rid of sysfont for the recording screen |
| 12:05:20 | JdGordon | and list is sysfont if < 2 lines |
| 12:05:31 | JdGordon | well.. if it doesnt fit its needed |
| 12:05:38 | petur | ah well |
| 12:05:59 | * | JdGordon hopes to have some screenies up in the next few hours |
| 12:06:10 | petur | maybe a translation problem... want to get rid of those LANG_SYSFONT_ things |
| 12:06:56 | petur | JdGordon: I will not be of much help - gone on a ski trip in 5 hours, back on monday |
| 12:07:19 | JdGordon | yeah, those langs suck |
| 12:07:22 | JdGordon | and have fun :) |
| 12:08:13 | markun | do we need some small tasks for gsoc applicants to prove they can compile rockbox and write some simple code? |
| 12:08:28 | petur | JdGordon: many users also want bigger peakmeters.... |
| 12:08:36 | petur | markun: yes |
| 12:10:54 | JdGordon | petur: like how big? user font size? |
| 12:11:37 | petur | I don't know, I just remember it being a popular feature of the REP. at least double of what they are now, I think |
| 12:12:30 | petur | JdGordon: might do a bit of screen redesign while or after your changes |
| 12:13:07 | * | JdGordon was hoping for more input from the forum thread... |
| 12:15:16 | * | petur running out of time :( |
| 12:16:49 | petur | bbl, gone to lunch(); |
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| 12:24:33 | JdGordon | petur: (and nayone interested)... http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/9784/dump0001xg2.png |
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| 12:31:29 | * | jhMikeS is having an awful day with the red :\ |
| 12:37:11 | markun | your score keeps getting higher :) |
| 12:37:49 | markun | does anyone know why the commit logs are empty? http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-20080311T194013Z.html |
| 12:38:33 | jhMikeS | this is like playing whack-a-mole |
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| 12:43:10 | JdGordon | markun: iirc scripts got moved |
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| 12:47:21 | amiconn | petur: Randomising the peakmeters that simple way makes them random for both recording and playback. I disabled this for swcodec to make the peakmeters work properly in the wps |
| 12:47:44 | JdGordon | fair enough... ok |
| 12:50:08 | whoever_ | Hi together - my iAudio X5 with the current daily build can not start even with up to 30% accu. There is always the message that there is to less battery. Can I change that (sorry for my english, I'm German:)) |
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| 12:54:19 | * | DerPapst wonders how JdGordon got the list start below the peakmeters... |
| 12:56:32 | * | JdGordon just happens to be a genius :D |
| 12:56:36 | JdGordon | also... viewports |
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| 13:00:38 | DerPapst | i tried that too... i defined a viewport and throwed the list in there... but it doesn't work ;-P |
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| 13:08:53 | * | amiconn would like to see the viewport list problems fixed first :/ |
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| 13:09:51 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I still don't understand why the sansa needs fat locking, while the Ondio doesn't |
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| 13:13:06 | jhMikeS | maybe the ondio does but I haven't evaluated the threading concerns there at all |
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| 13:15:43 | JdGordon | DerPapst: its a bit fiddly atm, but its doable |
| 13:16:05 | JdGordon | you need to set the parent viewports in the list struct before drawing it the first time |
| 13:17:06 | * | JdGordon wonders if amiconn looked at the flyspray task /me asked him to yesterday which would fix the BB list issue |
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| 13:20:05 | DerPapst | JdGordon: ah.. thanks. I'll try it out :-) |
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| 13:24:36 | jhMikeS | concurrent programming has a major peculularity - testing it doesn't prove it correct but only logical evaluation |
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| 13:30:44 | amiconn | jhMikeS: What I don't understand is what could be concurrent here. |
| 13:31:41 | amiconn | That is, why could it be concurrent on Sansa but neither on other swcodec targets nor on Ondio, or rather, why a potential concurrency would be a problem here |
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| 13:34:44 | petur | JdGordon: maybe the order of things needs changing, having the peakmeters so close to the list (border of VP) doesn't look good... |
| 13:35:12 | petur | amiconn: woops (re random peakmeters in sim) - I only focussed on recording ;) |
| 13:35:28 | JdGordon | I tihnk having it there would make it obvious the top text isnt part of the list... |
| 13:35:40 | JdGordon | it can be moved a few pixels down to add a gap if needed |
| 13:37:33 | petur | fair enough |
| 13:38:24 | jhMikeS | a disk access while mounting from the ata thread changing the initialized/sd_info status being the main reason. |
| 13:39:27 | amiconn | Well, while the ata thread mounts, nothing else can access the disk because disk accesses are already mutexed. I wonder what I'm missing here... |
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| 13:40:54 | webguest12 | Hi... is usb fully working for e200 and is it enabled by default now? |
| 13:41:05 | DerPapst | no and no :-) |
| 13:41:43 | webguest12 | so what does not work (or not work good) at the moment? |
| 13:41:52 | DerPapst | you can be sure that it will be mentioned on the front page once it's enabled by default. |
| 13:42:25 | gevaerts | webguest12: see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb for status details |
| 13:42:28 | DerPapst | signla quallity and corruption on write |
| 13:42:48 | webguest12 | ok... thx |
| 13:45:22 | * | gevaerts notices that some of the minor issues on that page are fixed now. Editting... |
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| 13:49:06 | amiconn | gevaerts: Btw, should rockbox return from the usb screen when the device is 'safely removed' in Windows? |
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| 13:50:58 | gevaerts | I think it currentlt won't (I use the eject command to trigger this, and I don't think windows sends that on safe remove"). It probably should, I guess. |
| 13:52:03 | * | linuxstb_ wonders how the Apple firmware handles that (without ipodservice.exe installed) |
| 13:53:17 | gevaerts | desowin: when you reported the write error on your sansa last month (the one with the two shifted bytes), was that on internal flash or on a microSD card ? |
| 13:53:24 | jhMikeS | amiconn: but we might be changing card_info/sd_status while it's in the middle of the protected code. also it prevents card mux switching while mounting which often requires one retry of the main card after mounting another card. |
| 13:53:45 | amiconn | uh? |
| 13:53:52 | * | DerPapst wonders how he can access the gui_synclist struct to change the parent viewport of a list within a plugin... |
| 13:54:09 | amiconn | Does the SD driver not protect all card access with a mutex? |
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| 13:54:50 | desowin | gevaerts: heck if I remember, sorry, but I think both gave me problems... |
| 13:56:18 | gevaerts | desowin: I should have asked back then I guess, but I only found out that this was not a USB bug later unfortunately. I ask because I don't seem to have that error on internal flash but only on microSD on c200. |
| 13:59:24 | * | gevaerts was still new then, and assumed that all other rockbox code worked perfectly |
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| 14:00:02 | DerPapst | heh |
| 14:00:33 | DerPapst | you make it perfect ;-) |
| 14:00:43 | markun | gevaerts: kgb2008 from meizume figured out the addresses of the USB host and device parts of the SA58700, so now we can start checking if they match the S3C2443X datasheet. |
| 14:01:46 | gevaerts | Good news. So I guess no rest for me again this week ;) |
| 14:01:57 | markun | ;) |
| 14:02:05 | jhMikeS | amiconn: it won't if you change protected card information outside it |
| 14:03:21 | JdGordon | DerPapst: the list struct should be a local variable... |
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| 14:10:09 | jenky | hi |
| 14:11:08 | markun | hi jenky |
| 14:11:40 | jenky | dumb question but whats a good music player i can get that will work well with rockbox? was thinking one of the gigabeats |
| 14:13:09 | markun | Gigabeat F works fine for listening to music |
| 14:13:15 | markun | and is not so expensive |
| 14:13:49 | jenky | cool |
| 14:13:57 | DerPapst | JdGordon: ah... but will that be used by MENUITEM_STRINGLIST and do_menu? |
| 14:13:59 | markun | jenky: here's a list we made: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide |
| 14:14:05 | jenky | and presumably with rockbox i could do stuff like flac, ogg..? |
| 14:14:10 | jenky | thanks |
| 14:14:55 | JdGordon | DerPapst: no |
| 14:15:12 | markun | jenky: yes, all of these players play ogg and flac with rockbox |
| 14:15:50 | jenky | the newer gigabeat series seem like they might be supported well soon though? |
| 14:15:55 | markun | jenky: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs#Current_status |
| 14:16:26 | DerPapst | JdGordon: then i fear i don't understand how i can make the list apper where i want like you did in your recording screen experiment :-( |
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| 14:16:41 | markun | jenky: yes, looks like it, but still it's impossible to predict how long that will be. Depends on the free time of the devs and their mood and luck |
| 14:17:06 | JdGordon | DerPapst: you cant do that with the menu... only lists you setup |
| 14:17:47 | jenky | cool i think i'll go chase down an F. thanks for your help markun |
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| 14:18:07 | jenky | i've a friend with one of the umm maybe F or X series, and she was rapt when i told her about rockbox |
| 14:18:17 | jenky | her player works much better now |
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| 14:20:48 | DerPapst | JdGordon: ah... i hoped that it will work with menus too. thanks for the clarification :-) |
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| 14:49:26 | linuxstb_ | petur: Do these changes to the recording screen mean you've given up on the idea of a customisable WRS? |
| 14:49:54 | petur | not completely ;) |
| 14:50:39 | petur | WRS can still be implemented later on (top items) |
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| 14:51:55 | petur | and anyway, it doesn't look like I will have more free time :/ |
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| 14:54:39 | * | gevaerts hands petur a box of free time |
| 14:54:54 | petur | if only you could.... |
| 14:55:13 | petur | and I will not take my laptop on the ski-trip ;) |
| 14:56:15 | gevaerts | What ? No downhill coding ? |
| 14:56:33 | markun | I remember a time when LinusN told us he would be away for a while because he was going to cook on a ship. He ended up being in here pretty much every day :) |
| 14:57:03 | petur | yeah, curse wireless access :) |
| 14:57:29 | Febs | How does Rockbox handle the genre tag for ID3v1? Is there a lookup table somewhere? |
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| 15:01:35 | amiconn | yes |
| 15:02:07 | Febs | Do you know offhand where it is located? |
| 15:04:13 | linuxstb_ | firmware/id3.c |
| 15:05:06 | linuxstb_ | Just search for Negerpunk... |
| 15:07:28 | markun | ah yes :) |
| 15:09:51 | * | gevaerts doesn't like id3 genres. MAXINT-3 kinds of rock, and then "Classical"... |
| 15:14:37 | Febs | There are many problems with id3v1 genres. |
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| 15:15:25 | * | Febs wonders, for example, if "porn groove" really requires its own genre. |
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| 15:15:58 | * | petur still wonders about negerpunk |
| 15:16:40 | petur | "appears to have been added as a joke by the developers." |
| 15:17:07 | * | gevaerts looks for some christian gangsta rap |
| 15:17:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: And it actually exists. |
| 15:17:51 | linuxstb_ | petur: I see there's no reference to that fact in the wikipedia article... |
| 15:19:39 | * | petur hands linuxstb_ some glasses |
| 15:19:58 | linuxstb_ | Where is it? |
| 15:20:14 | petur | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negerpunk 3rd line |
| 15:20:36 | linuxstb_ | Yes, but there is no reference quoted. |
| 15:20:51 | linuxstb_ | i.e. where did the wikipedia author get that information? |
| 15:20:54 | petur | ah... no no reference |
| 15:21:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | Here's a whole list of the genres: http://www.linuxselfhelp.com/HOWTO/MP3-HOWTO-13.html#ss13.3 |
| 15:21:20 | linuxstb_ | petur: Sorry, my statement wasn't clear... |
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| 15:22:36 | petur | it was added by a user called 'Talk' |
| 15:23:01 | petur | frrrr |
| 15:23:11 | petur | not talk, just an ip address |
| 15:24:44 | LosNir[] | 'Talk' is a link lol |
| 15:25:06 | LosNir[] | I think it's Wtfiwant1now |
| 15:25:07 | * | petur is a bit wikipedia ignorant |
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| 15:50:01 | preglow | is the new usb stuff enabled by default yet? |
| 15:50:31 | markun | impressive firmware: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2008/03/mpio-v10-touch-screen-pmp-plays-everything-with-style.php |
| 15:50:43 | gevaerts | preglow: No. The major blockers are still there |
| 15:51:05 | preglow | gevaerts: which are? |
| 15:52:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | markun: If it had FLAC support, it'd be the bee's knees. |
| 15:52:26 | gevaerts | preglow: for usb mainly signal quality, and for sansa I don't want to enable it as long as the sd write bug is there. See also http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb |
| 15:52:42 | preglow | we have bad signal quality?? |
| 15:53:23 | toffe82 | markun: so you are going to buy one ;) |
| 15:53:28 | markun | nope :) |
| 15:53:30 | gevaerts | yes. bad enough to stop it from working on some setups |
| 15:53:58 | preglow | gevaerts: i assume you don't know why? |
| 15:55:03 | * | preglow reads page |
| 15:55:36 | gevaerts | Current hypothesis is that the USB transceiver isn't powered correctly. Comparing the output from the power management chip for rockbox and OF should help (working on that...) |
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| 15:58:32 | * | gevaerts expects a player that plays everything to support flac and ogg theora |
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| 16:01:21 | linuxstb_ | No lossless compression support at all by the looks of it... |
| 16:01:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: The one markrun showed us mentions OGG in the video codec section, so it must play Theora. |
| 16:01:59 | linuxstb_ | And Ogg/FLAC... |
| 16:03:12 | gevaerts | Where ? I can't find that |
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| 16:05:52 | preglow | gevaerts: so you know the tranceiver is powered by the pcf chip, then? |
| 16:06:24 | preglow | gevaerts: and how are you working on that, btw? re? multimeter? |
| 16:06:46 | gevaerts | preglow: we don't know it, but it's the simplest explanation. |
| 16:07:24 | gevaerts | Multimeter+stereo microscope (which I want to put forward as my candidate for "oldest tool used for reverse engineering an ipod") |
| 16:08:10 | * | scorche|sh thinks "wedge" is a slightly older tool |
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| 16:08:44 | * | gevaerts meant this specific microscope, not microscopes in general |
| 16:10:18 | * | petur is suddenly reminded of those guys that cracked a chipcard by opening the chip and looking at the gates through a microscope to RE the encryption |
| 16:10:57 | BoD[] | why do you need a microscope? to look at the actual "wires" inside the ipod?? |
| 16:10:57 | amiconn | A stereo microscope isn't that unusual a tool for dealing with today's electronics |
| 16:11:43 | gevaerts | BoD[]: I need to measure on pins that are 0.5mm apart. |
| 16:11:58 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon used one for RE'ing the Ondio, soldering the backlight mod etc |
| 16:12:01 | BoD[] | wow |
| 16:12:14 | BoD[] | "respect!" :) |
| 16:12:59 | gevaerts | I think the one I use is over 50 years old, but it's hard to check that. |
| 16:13:17 | Horschti | made in UdSSR? |
| 16:14:07 | gevaerts | It says Leitz Wetzlar, made in Germany |
| 16:15:07 | Horschti | Germany or W. Germany? |
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| 16:15:21 | gevaerts | Germany |
| 16:15:31 | Horscht | probably not older than 20 years |
| 16:16:33 | gevaerts | Looks like the one at the top of http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/pict/3301894198258080_1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://business.search.ebay.com/leitz_Lab-Equipment_W0QQfsooZ2QQfsopZ2QQsacatZ26231&h=80&w=77&sz=3&hl=en&start=32&um=1&tbnid=6X92KT_0UObxRM:&tbnh=74&tbnw=71&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dleitz%2Bstereo%2Bmicroscope%26start%3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Dactive%26sa%3DN |
| 16:18:03 | blackk | I got a problem with the database when an index file is openened/read multiple times from different threads; I traced down the problem in tagcache.c and it happens when get_next runs together with tagcache_search for example |
| 16:18:41 | blackk | it can be reproduce on simulator, sansas and gigabeat; anybody have an ideea how to do a proper locking? or is it a problem with the file/disk driver? |
| 16:19:33 | linuxstb_ | IIUC, the file/disk driver shouldn't be used in the sim, although maybe some of the very high level stuff is. |
| 16:20:20 | blackk | linuxstb_: true, but even with sim_... functions the bug is there. so does that rule out a file/disk driver bug I guess |
| 16:20:24 | Horscht | gevaerts, since it says "Made in Germany", I think your microscope is post 1990. |
| 16:20:46 | Horscht | because from 1949 - 1990, Germany was slipt into east and westgermany |
| 16:21:04 | linuxstb_ | Horscht: That company has been making microscopes since the 19th Century though... |
| 16:21:07 | Slasheri | blackk: so there is write and read operations going on simultaneously? |
| 16:21:25 | Horscht | yes, but I doub't his microscope is older than 1949 :) |
| 16:21:28 | gevaerts | Horscht: I know it's earlier than that. My mother's aunt used it in the 1970's |
| 16:21:57 | Horscht | ok, I am probably wrong then |
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| 16:22:33 | blackk | Slasheri: no, I found out that between a lseek and a read it can happen that there is another open and seek/read of the same file; that's when the problems show up, the first read will read garbage |
| 16:23:12 | Slasheri | hmm, interesting.. i thought that shouldn't be an issue and that is allowed in the code too |
| 16:23:33 | Slasheri | only read&write operations at the same time are prevented |
| 16:23:36 | blackk | that's why I said maybe file/disk cause in theory it should work |
| 16:24:21 | blackk | as long as they are different opens/different handlers |
| 16:24:40 | Slasheri | indeed.. hmm, that needs some debugging |
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| 16:25:02 | Slasheri | how there can be two reads at the same time? |
| 16:25:53 | blackk | if you build a simulator, go to database/album, long press select and do Playlist/Insert, it will try to read the album content in the same time it's inserting the file in the playlist |
| 16:26:27 | linuxstb_ | I've only looked briefly, but don't both functions use the same fds? i.e. tcs->idxfd[] ? |
| 16:26:29 | Slasheri | ah, and that happens only without db in ram? |
| 16:26:43 | blackk | you need gather runtime data = on and load to ram = off |
| 16:26:53 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: it might be, i will check that |
| 16:27:09 | Slasheri | i have never used db much without loading to ram so that bug was hidden.. |
| 16:28:02 | blackk | and there is another function that when run together with get_next cause the same problem: find_entry_disk |
| 16:29:44 | blackk | if working with differed fds work well, than it's just about making seek&read operations atomic |
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| 16:32:50 | amiconn | Concurrent reading should never be a problem in general. If it is in case of the db, maybe some function isn't reentrant? |
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| 17:16:34 | pondlife | I've got Rockbox r16339 into a wacky state. It refuses to play anything - just sits on the WPS (track 1 of n) with no progress at all. If I select from the database, I get a playlist with a single entry "(ERR)". Voice is working, but something is very confused. |
| 17:16:52 | pondlife | Any ideas on any other info I could get out of it before I reboot? |
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| 17:17:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: How'd that happen? |
| 17:18:17 | pondlife | Nothing special. I played an album through and it came to a natural stop (no auto-dir change or anything |
| 17:18:26 | pondlife | And now it won't start again! |
| 17:18:56 | pondlife | It says "No file!", even though the browser appears fine. |
| 17:19:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: Which device did you get this wacky state on? I'll try one of my devices and see if it happens there. |
| 17:19:09 | pondlife | H300 |
| 17:19:14 | * | LambdaCalculus37 picks up his 4G iPod color |
| 17:19:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | My guinea pig. |
| 17:19:47 | pondlife | Ah, dircache appears to have become uninitialised. |
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| 17:20:28 | pondlife | Database stats all look ok though; iniitialised and in RAM |
| 17:21:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | Is that what caused this? |
| 17:29:06 | pondlife | I don't know |
| 17:29:25 | pondlife | I don't think it's meant to be possible for dircache to go from ok -> uninitialised |
| 17:33:17 | markun | topposting in the forums.. I think it's the first time I've seen that |
| 17:33:44 | markun | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15355.msg118769#msg118769 |
| 17:36:35 | * | gevaerts thinks he also didn't look at his this adapter very closely, if he had to "force" a ZIF connector |
| 17:38:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: I updated to r16339 on my iPod color and I'm running an album right now. |
| 17:38:35 | pondlife | I'd guess this won't be reproducible |
| 17:38:44 | pondlife | Smells like memory corruption |
| 17:39:11 | pondlife | Guess I'll reboot and try again |
| 17:39:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | All right. I'll let you know if this wacky state happens on my iPod, though. |
| 17:40:07 | pondlife | I hadn't done much since the update/ROLO. Just a database > Album > (Random) selection or two, then play through |
| 17:45:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | Playing an album now; selected from Database > Album (Random) |
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| 17:50:36 | Davide-NYC | How do I invoke the charger in the SIM? |
| 17:53:23 | Davide-NYC | Do any of the Archos recorders have hold switches? |
| 17:53:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | Davide-NYC: Hey there! |
| 17:54:04 | Davide-NYC | Hello! |
| 17:54:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | To my knowledge, the Archos recorders don't have any kind of hold switch, neither in software nor in hardware. |
| 17:55:09 | Davide-NYC | DeviceChart says that none of them have hold switches but I remember having to leave a space for a hold switch icon in the statusbar for Mmmm back when we put in the extra recording info. |
| 17:55:36 | * | Davide-NYC would confirmation as to why that might have been necessary |
| 17:55:42 | * | Davide-NYC *like |
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| 17:56:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | Davide-NYC: If I recall, I read one time (again, can't confirm) that there was a trick to put the Archos into a "hold" state. |
| 17:56:35 | * | LambdaCalculus37 consults Google |
| 17:58:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | Davide-NYC: The JBRv1 seems to have a hold function; per the General FAQ on Archos' site: "Yes, to enable the HOLD function, press and hold the ON key for 3 seconds. This will activate the HOLD feature. To turn off, press and hold the ON for 3 seconds." |
| 17:59:06 | Davide-NYC | Is there any support for a hold function in the Simulator? |
| 17:59:46 | Davide-NYC | On most (if not all) other target simulators the "H" key invokes a hold condition. |
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| 18:00:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes, that's correct. |
| 18:01:03 | * | LambdaCalculus37 reads http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator but sees no mention of invoking the charger in the sim |
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| 18:02:01 | pondlife | LambdaCalculus37: I don't thjink that's possible yet.. would be nice though |
| 18:02:15 | pondlife | Currently the sim just lowers then raises the battery level |
| 18:02:31 | pondlife | But even when the level is rising it's not "charging" |
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| 18:05:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: The hold function on the Archos JBRv1... think that's controlled by software? |
| 18:05:36 | pondlife | No idea |
| 18:06:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | Actually, it does seem to be. |
| 18:07:34 | * | LambdaCalculus37 confirms it by testing on his JBR |
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| 18:09:59 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: Hi. Can you remember if it was you that built the e200rpatcher.mac binary that's on the download server? |
| 18:10:18 | barrywardell | I think it might have been, yes |
| 18:11:51 | linuxstb_ | I don't have a Mac any more - could you put it in a .dmg file (like the other patchers are) ? There was a confused Mac owner who posted to the forums recently (it downloads as a ".mac" file, which none of his apps opened...) |
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| 18:15:54 | barrywardell | yeah, ok |
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| 18:23:03 | scorche|sh | LambdaCalculus37: it is software...holding OFF should still work while "hold" is on |
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| 18:28:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | scorche|sh: Ahh, thanks. |
| 18:28:26 | amiconn | Davide-NYC, LambdaCalculus37: None of the supported archoses has a hold switch. Rockbox supports software hold on them |
| 18:29:01 | barrywardell | linuxstb_: barrywardell.net/rockbox/e200rpatcher.dmg">http://download.barrywardell.net/rockbox/e200rpatcher.dmg |
| 18:29:14 | Davide-NYC | amiconn: how do I invoke this on the Archos (ducks the RTFM command) |
| 18:29:15 | amiconn | It's a bit better than the OF method (didn't even know it had that!), as it uses a button combo for lock and unlock |
| 18:29:27 | Davide-NYC | invocable in sim? |
| 18:29:28 | amiconn | On Recorder it's F1+Down |
| 18:29:38 | amiconn | It's only available in the WPS iirc |
| 18:29:50 | Davide-NYC | not in WRS? |
| 18:29:55 | amiconn | Don't remember the combo for Player and Ondio, need to check |
| 18:30:02 | amiconn | No idea, actually |
| 18:30:09 | Davide-NYC | Not working in the sim. |
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| 18:31:29 | amiconn | Not available in the recording screen |
| 18:31:38 | * | amiconn tested on target |
| 18:31:55 | Davide-NYC | the hold works in WRS in sim. |
| 18:32:05 | * | Davide-NYC tested in sim ;-P |
| 18:32:23 | amiconn | On Ondio it's Mode+Down, on Player Menu+Stop |
| 18:32:57 | gevaerts | Do I risk damaging my ipod much if I step the PCF50607 outputs up and down one notch (usually 0.3V) every few seconds ? |
| 18:33:05 | * | amiconn thinks that source code lookup is faster than manual lookup :P |
| 18:33:27 | * | gevaerts thinks the source code has a better index |
| 18:33:33 | amiconn | gevaerts: I would only go down one step, and back to normal |
| 18:34:00 | amiconn | I think all that can happen this way is a crash |
| 18:34:18 | * | Davide-NYC thinks a bug report for hold support in WRS on targets without hold switch is going onto the tracker (unless it's already there) |
| 18:34:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | Davide-NYC: And the hold button combo for the Archos devices were all in their manuals. :P |
| 18:35:07 | * | Davide-NYC will not RTFM for HWCODEC players |
| 18:36:00 | gevaerts | Do you expect problems if I do it repeatedly (i.e. keep going down and back up every second or so) ? I'd like to minimise interaction, since I need both hands for actually measuring |
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| 18:36:38 | * | gevaerts doesn't think crashing is a "problem" in this context |
| 18:37:01 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: Thanks - I'll try and catch Bagder and point him to it... |
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| 18:41:52 | Davide-NYC | Request that FS #1055 be changed from a feature request to a bug. |
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| 18:45:18 | bluebrother | Davide-NYC: why? |
| 18:45:51 | bluebrother | it's an annoying behaviour, but that doesn't make it a bug |
| 18:45:58 | Davide-NYC | Because the feature set is out of sync with the other target WRS and it need not be. |
| 18:46:39 | Davide-NYC | IIRC (big if) there was lengthy discussion about trying to keep the WRS as consistent as possible across targets. |
| 18:47:18 | Davide-NYC | Also, not having a hold switch for recording is a reasonable gripe. |
| 18:47:29 | bluebrother | I'm not aware of that discussion −− but it doesn't make this a bug IMO. |
| 18:47:43 | bluebrother | but I agree that it's something that's quite annoying |
| 18:47:44 | Davide-NYC | k |
| 18:47:48 | bluebrother | (the lack of it) |
| 18:48:34 | * | Davide-NYC friendly reminder that recording "can be" mission critical as opposed to playback which almost never is. |
| 18:49:09 | * | amiconn disagrees |
| 18:50:00 | amiconn | Playback is the main purpose of a DAP |
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| 18:51:26 | linuxstb | That depends on the person who bought it - they may consider it a DAR, not a DAP... |
| 18:51:30 | Davide-NYC | sorry, let me redefine 'mission critical': Once an audio event happens and is *not* recorded it's gone forever. No backup can be made, unless one can travel back in time. |
| 18:52:42 | Davide-NYC | mission critical would be data corruption (like MS Home Server) or the like. Skipping playback can be fixed (and have been) but a botched recording cannot. |
| 18:53:01 | linuxstb | Davide-NYC: Tell that to a DJ... |
| 18:53:44 | Davide-NYC | you're right of course. I'm just trying to illustrate my point |
| 18:54:51 | * | gevaerts thinks that discussions on whether this is a bug report or a feature request won't actually achieve anything |
| 18:55:01 | schschsch | excuse me but someone could tell me whether cop on portalplayer target is working well? |
| 18:56:01 | linuxstb | schschsch: I'm not sure I understand the question. Are you asking if/how Rockbox uses it? |
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| 18:57:23 | schschsch | just whether it is done properly or not |
| 18:57:39 | schschsch | debug screen shows something like |
| 18:57:40 | schschsch | Idle (0): 0% |
| 18:57:40 | schschsch | Idle (1): 53% |
| 18:57:40 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK schschsch |
| 18:57:40 | schschsch | 0: (0) blah |
| 18:57:40 | schschsch | 1: (0) blah |
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| 18:57:40 | schschsch | . |
| 18:57:41 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 18:57:41 | schschsch | . |
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| 18:57:43 | schschsch | . |
| 18:57:45 | schschsch | 13: (0) blah |
| 18:57:47 | Nico_P | Davide-NYC: I agree with those who say it's not a bug |
| 18:57:57 | scorche|sh | schschsch: please dont do that again...use a pastebin |
| 18:58:21 | schschsch | sorry for that... |
| 18:58:59 | linuxstb | schschsch: Again, I'm not sure what you mean by "properly"... Rockbox reliably uses the COP, but only in a limited way (the mpegplayer plugin and the SPC codec). It can't run arbitrary threads on the COP. |
| 18:59:13 | linuxstb | (mainly due to cache coherency issues) |
| 18:59:53 | Davide-NYC | Maybe it isn't. But I think it is important for those people that use the Archos Recorder with Rockbox to record serious material. |
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| 19:00:37 | linuxstb | Davide-NYC: Are you sure? No-one has commented on that task in almost 5 years... |
| 19:01:03 | schschsch | ahh then that means previous 'kernel-on-cop' patch is deprecated and not used now? |
| 19:01:25 | linuxstb | schschsch: That patch was committed a long time ago. |
| 19:01:35 | linuxstb | (or at least, most parts of it) |
| 19:01:37 | Davide-NYC | linuxstb: maybe there are just too few *involved* users? |
| 19:02:15 | linuxstb | Davide-NYC: I'm just saying that no-one is crying out for that feature, so perhaps you're overstating its importance to people. |
| 19:02:17 | Davide-NYC | and by users I mean the previously defined category |
| 19:02:35 | Davide-NYC | linuxstb: perhaps |
| 19:03:12 | Davide-NYC | the reason I mention it at all is that I'm trying to help tje devs with the WRS rework and every pixel counts on the recorder |
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| 19:05:03 | Davide-NYC | cheers all, gotta go |
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| 19:29:46 | * | gevaerts now has a non-booting ipod. luckily edm still works |
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| 19:31:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: EDM always works. :) |
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| 19:32:07 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: also if you have been messing with power levels ? |
| 19:36:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: Not 100% sure, but I believe so. |
| 19:37:57 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Sounds like you're trying hard to break it though... |
| 19:39:21 | gevaerts | It only shows the apple logo (unless I force it to EDM). Rerunning ipodpatcher doesn't help. I guess the firmware partition is corrupted. |
| 19:40:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: Try restoring it in iTunes. |
| 19:40:28 | * | gevaerts was hoping not having to install iTunes |
| 19:41:08 | * | LambdaCalculus37 doesn't know any other way of restoring the OF to an iPod, short of the FAT32 conversion for Macs |
| 19:41:38 | gevaerts | Does itunes uninstall cleanly once I'm done with it ? |
| 19:42:31 | linuxstb | gevaerts: No need to install itunes... |
| 19:42:45 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore |
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| 19:43:12 | gevaerts | linuxstb: thanks. That looks much simpler |
| 19:43:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: D'oh... forgot about that page. Thanks for that. :) |
| 19:46:16 | * | amiconn usually keeps a dump of the MBR+firmware partition |
| 19:47:01 | * | gevaerts will soon have such a dump as well |
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| 19:53:37 | gevaerts | Actually it looks like it's just the FAT partition that's corrupted. fsck.vfat says it doesn't like 123 FATs. General lesson : don't try setting DCDC3 to 0xff |
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| 19:54:11 | gevaerts | *destroy |
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| 19:55:52 | Buschel | gevaerts: DCDC3? That's a control register for the PP502x core voltage supply |
| 19:56:47 | Buschel | better not to be touched |
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| 20:00:20 | Buschel | gevaerts: hmm, seems like you switched off the core voltage supply via a ramp with using your setting. |
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| 20:05:17 | saratoga | I played around with DCDC3 on the PP5024 |
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| 20:05:28 | saratoga | was actually stable at most voltage for me |
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| 20:06:20 | Buschel | saratoga: you are talking of the core voltage in general (DCDC1/2) or the config for ramps etc. (DCDC3/4) |
| 20:07:00 | saratoga | the core voltage |
| 20:07:31 | saratoga | also, i still like my idea of putting the bootloader in DRAM somewhere, letting the OF initialize all the voltages, and then branching back to the bootloader without rebooting |
| 20:07:45 | Buschel | ok. I also played with it on my 5.5G. Lowerin the voltage from 1.2V to 1.15V was unstable even at 24MHz |
| 20:08:01 | saratoga | then we could read out the pfc measurements |
| 20:08:05 | saratoga | err settings |
| 20:08:22 | Buschel | I didn't try 1.175V though −− but the savings would be really minor |
| 20:08:33 | saratoga | my 5024 crashed after an hour at 1.1v, but ran indefinately at 1.15 |
| 20:08:45 | saratoga | yeah the difference was really small for me too |
| 20:09:10 | saratoga | 1.1v only saved ~1 or so ma over 1.2v as I recall |
| 20:10:02 | Buschel | 1mA saving would be great for a 5.5G iPod -> ~30min runtime |
| 20:10:18 | amiconn | I'm still not sure what's the purpose of the TEA1211 |
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| 20:14:24 | Buschel | saratoga: the pcf 's programmed output voltage has a precision of +/-3.5%. maybe the PP5024-internal power controller has higher precision? That could be a reason for a PP5024 running @1.15V and instabilities on my test.... |
| 20:15:32 | amiconn | It's probably just differences between individual units |
| 20:16:03 | saratoga | i'd expect better yeilds on the 55024 since its likely fabbed much later then the chip in your ipod too |
| 20:16:27 | Buschel | at least it sums up to: no reasonable savings and possible instability |
| 20:16:34 | amiconn | Did anyone try to dynamically adjust voltage? (as an experiment, not to be used in official builds) |
| 20:16:59 | amiconn | The drawback would be that boosting would take substantially longer |
| 20:17:26 | Buschel | would only make any sense, if we can lower the voltage when unboosted |
| 20:17:39 | Buschel | my tests were done unboosted |
| 20:17:57 | saratoga | in my case it would probably only save uA, so I didn't see much point |
| 20:18:56 | amiconn | Buschel: Ah ok. I thought you did real-world tests, i.e. playing music |
| 20:19:15 | saratoga | i did mp3 playback tests, but they're much harder with a DMM |
| 20:19:31 | saratoga | should probably use an ADC so that I can compute time averaged currents |
| 20:19:35 | Buschel | no, just doing some "test fps" and browsing around |
| 20:20:08 | saratoga | though i'm hesitant to try and insert a shunt resistor into my Sansa's power pins |
| 20:20:13 | Buschel | as this was unstable it didn't go further |
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| 20:21:20 | gevaerts | What I actually did was reading the value (which appeared to be 0), subtracting 1, and writing that back. My new version doesn't do that any more if the value is 0. |
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| 20:22:11 | vlu3z | Is it safe to put RockBOX on my 5.5 iPod? |
| 20:22:28 | saratoga | sure |
| 20:22:29 | Buschel | gevaerts: you should check for the purpose of the registers. not all are directly used for power supply, but for setting additional configurations. |
| 20:23:05 | vlu3z | It's perfectly fine? |
| 20:23:09 | Buschel | gevaerts: also the 3 most significant bits set the mode, the 5 least significant ones the voltage |
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| 20:23:55 | saratoga | sure |
| 20:25:23 | gevaerts | Buschel: I know. I'm considering playing with DCDC*, DCDEC*, DCUDC*, D*REG, IOREGC and LPREG1C. Of course, since we don't actually have a datasheet for the PCF50607, they might do something different |
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| 20:26:35 | saratoga | I've changed a lot of registers on the sansa's powermanagement chip and never had a problem that rebooting didn't fix |
| 20:26:55 | Buschel | gevaerts: ouch, you're trying to do it the hard way |
| 20:28:00 | saratoga | gevaerts: when you say the USB signal quality is poor, do you mean voltage is off or something else? |
| 20:28:59 | gevaerts | saratoga: I don't know exactly, since I can't get the port test mode to work that would allow exact measurements. |
| 20:30:24 | saratoga | gevaerts: is this something we could see on a network analyser ? |
| 20:31:03 | saratoga | though impedance matching might make that difficult either way, since i don't have any idea what the impedance of a USB cable is |
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| 20:33:05 | gevaerts | The problem is getting a usable signal to measure, which is what these port test modes do. Just using any traffic isn't easy, since you have to discriminate between host->device and device->host |
| 20:34:03 | saratoga | thats a good point |
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| 20:40:30 | gevaerts | Rockbox doesn't seem to want to boot anymore on this ipod. |
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| 20:42:01 | * | gevaerts wonders if two bootable partitions are a good idea |
| 20:42:27 | Klevi | Question about a 4th gen ipod. It heats up. Would that cause it to freeze or not write to the HDD properly? |
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| 20:45:39 | Horscht | i doubt that a small DAP can produce enough heat |
| 20:45:56 | Horscht | my 5gen usualy gets a little bit warm as well, not hot, though |
| 20:48:31 | Klevi | ... hmm maybe an example will help.. if you overcharge a cell phones battery, hot. **tries to think of other things that get that warm** |
| 20:48:55 | Klevi | it feels abnormal, for it to be that temperature. |
| 20:49:14 | Llorean | Klevi: Are you getting data corruption or random freezes? |
| 20:49:36 | Klevi | Both, though not since ive used Itunes to import songs |
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| 20:51:56 | Klevi | Its warm now. |
| 20:52:17 | Klevi | Currently is copying 388 of 698 of songs. |
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| 20:52:52 | gevaerts | I've cleared (dd if=/dev/zero) the first 500MB of the ipod, then restored the mbr, told the kernel to re-read the partition table, dd'ed the apple firmware to /dev/sdb1, run ipodpatcher, formated /dev/sdb1 to FAT32, and unzipped my rockbox build to it. The apple fw boots, but rockbox doesn't (it keeps showing the apple logo). Any ideas ? |
| 20:53:25 | * | gevaerts didn't see any smoke come out earlier, so it should still work |
| 20:54:02 | Klevi | hehe. Im not so sure about Rockboxing though Linux though, sorry |
| 20:54:32 | krazykit | gevaerts: sure you don't need to let the OF to load up once? |
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| 20:54:47 | gevaerts | krazykit: I did that. |
| 20:55:05 | Klevi | .. hm, How do i get to the OF with my Ipod anyway |
| 20:55:12 | Klevi | Holding Left, like on my Sansa? |
| 20:55:25 | BigBambi | Klevi: That is in the manual... |
| 20:55:40 | BigBambi | (quick hint - hold switch) |
| 20:55:53 | * | gevaerts tries the entire procedure again |
| 20:56:20 | Klevi | Sorry.. normally id look, but im sitting at 100% CPU due to Itunes right now, Opening much of any webrowser isnt happening |
| 20:56:28 | Klevi | thankd BigBambi =) |
| 20:57:06 | gevaerts | Is it normal that the ipod mbr from the IpodConversionToFAT32 page has both partitions marked as bootable ? |
| 20:57:14 | Ebert | jeez 100% cpu what are you running on |
| 20:57:16 | * | amiconn now has a compiled and prepared M3 bootloader |
| 20:57:26 | BigBambi | \o/ |
| 20:57:37 | BigBambi | It is about time for a new port :) |
| 20:57:50 | * | amiconn wonders how dangerous it could be to test it |
| 20:58:06 | Klevi | Ebert: IBM Thinkpad R30, 256mb Ram, 500Mhz−−1ghz stepping processor 30Gb HDD |
| 20:58:08 | BigBambi | Is the M3 a flash bootloader? |
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| 20:58:49 | amiconn | Yes, but the cowon pre-loader stays in flash, does the flashing and provides usb |
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| 20:58:57 | amiconn | Same technique as the X5 and M5 |
| 20:59:16 | BigBambi | OK |
| 20:59:35 | Bagder | we need more builds in the build table! |
| 20:59:49 | * | BigBambi goes to string two monitors together |
| 20:59:51 | * | Bagder does the rare wide-table dance |
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| 21:00:03 | Klevi | New port dance time |
| 21:00:15 | * | Klevi gets the Disco ball and Rave music |
| 21:00:32 | amiconn | The M3 is more different from The X5/M5 than I thought, so it will be some work |
| 21:00:49 | Klevi | Silly question, M3 is what? In a nutshell |
| 21:00:55 | amiconn | iAudio M3 |
| 21:01:03 | Klevi | Ahh I see. =) |
| 21:01:16 | Klevi | ... |
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| 21:01:51 | amiconn | Hardware wise it's something inbetween the H1x0 and the M5 |
| 21:01:52 | Klevi | Do any or all of the simulators do everything Rockbox does? |
| 21:02:07 | Klevi | as if it were on a player? |
| 21:02:08 | amiconn | no |
| 21:02:11 | BigBambi | In what way? |
| 21:02:16 | BigBambi | It can't do everything |
| 21:02:22 | Beta2K | No FM Tuner :) |
| 21:02:23 | Klevi | Play music, at the least. |
| 21:02:25 | amiconn | The simulators simulate the UI, and playback on the newer targets |
| 21:02:34 | BigBambi | Klevi: Yes, playback is present |
| 21:02:35 | Klevi | View photos. |
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| 21:02:43 | BigBambi | Klevi: Why not try it? |
| 21:02:44 | amiconn | They neither simulate recording, nor fm, or other special hardware features |
| 21:02:54 | Klevi | Oh thats all they lack? |
| 21:03:03 | BigBambi | BigBambi> Klevi: Why not try it? |
| 21:03:04 | amiconn | Most plugins work |
| 21:03:41 | Klevi | BigBambi: I was going to, but asked since i would like to have a way of using Rockbox on my Pocket Pc. |
| 21:03:54 | BigBambi | Does your pocket PC have SDL? |
| 21:04:12 | Klevi | SDL is...? |
| 21:04:19 | scorche|sh | wikipedia/google? |
| 21:04:35 | Klevi | No Availible laptop resources |
| 21:04:37 | BigBambi | Klevi: I've even done it for you - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_DirectMedia_Layer |
| 21:05:10 | * | gevaerts tried again. Still no rockbox. |
| 21:05:36 | * | Klevi 's Ipod has frozen, and Itunes has crashed |
| 21:06:10 | gevaerts | Klevi: that means you can now use a webbrowser ;) |
| 21:06:17 | Klevi | Yes. |
| 21:07:16 | gevaerts | Why do I always have to semi-brick players in the weirdest ways ? |
| 21:07:37 | krazykit | because that's your superpower. |
| 21:07:40 | Klevi | lol |
| 21:07:42 | Buschel | gevaerts: did you copy a recent standard build to your iPod? |
| 21:08:10 | gevaerts | Buschel: yes. I used a downloaded rockbox.zip and ipodpatcher on the last attempt. |
| 21:08:17 | Klevi | hm.. I would think that Windows 2003 Mobile would have SDL on it. |
| 21:08:21 | Klevi | *googles |
| 21:08:26 | * | gevaerts is going to check if everything is on disk correctly |
| 21:08:38 | Bagder | there seems to be pocketpc ports of sdl |
| 21:09:06 | Klevi | Indeed |
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| 21:09:39 | Klevi | Badger: See anything for HP Ipaq rx3000 series? |
| 21:10:03 | Bagder | I didn't care about specific models |
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| 21:10:33 | Klevi | ah, was wondering if you saw something thats all |
| 21:10:35 | gevaerts | The rockbox install seems ok (md5sums match for the entire .rockbox directory) |
| 21:10:36 | Bagder | my guess would be that you could build it yourself for your target |
| 21:11:43 | * | gevaerts considers installing iTunes to check if _really_ everything works in the OF, but hesitates... |
| 21:11:49 | Buschel | gevearts: did you delete your .rockbox-folder on the HDD and then unzipped the current build to the HDD? |
| 21:12:10 | gevaerts | Buschel: better. I formatted the partition |
| 21:13:27 | amiconn | Hmm. This bootloader doesn't seem to do anything... |
| 21:13:38 | amiconn | (it does no harm either; M3 is still alive) |
| 21:14:25 | gevaerts | amiconn: that doesn't prove anything |
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| 21:14:59 | gevaerts | Here's what I did exactly : http://pastebin.ca/940155 |
| 21:15:27 | gevaerts | (the fdisk halfway is to force the kernel to see the partition table) |
| 21:15:31 | pixelma | Nico_P: there's one resume bug back which was one of the first I encountered with MoB and which was fixed in the first few weeks (seen on my c250 with r16624 today but confirmed now with my M5 running r16639) |
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| 21:16:00 | Nico_P | pixelma: what's the bug? |
| 21:16:58 | linuxstb_ | gevaerts: What does your ipod do when it boots? |
| 21:17:25 | pixelma | Nico_P: that is stop somewhere mid song, resume and skipping back to start the song again (I liked it) and it will only play this song for about the time it would have lasted from resume position to the end and then skip to the next (i.e. if you stopped 1 minute before the end it will only play one minute from the start) |
| 21:17:42 | gevaerts | linuxstb_: it hangs at the apple logo with backlight on. If I swicth hold on, it boots the OF, and the EDM magic keys also work |
| 21:17:44 | Nico_P | argh |
| 21:17:52 | pixelma | Nico_P: havent tested yet which revision it was that brought it back |
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| 21:18:25 | linuxstb_ | gevaerts: That means either the bootloader crashes whilst loading Rockbox, or Rockbox crashes before displaying anything on the LCD |
| 21:18:37 | * | gevaerts considers opening the ipod to disconnect the battery. Maybe the PCF chip isn't fully reset |
| 21:18:52 | linuxstb_ | gevaerts: I was just thinking the same... |
| 21:18:58 | amiconn | gevaerts: Try holding Right while booting. That should switch the bootloader to verbose mode |
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| 21:20:16 | gevaerts | Ends at "Rockbox loaded" |
| 21:20:26 | * | gevaerts is happy to see some text anyway |
| 21:20:50 | amiconn | Did you perhaps put on your experimental build? |
| 21:20:51 | Nico_P | pixelma: I'd be very interested in that information |
| 21:21:11 | gevaerts | No. It's now running a build straight from the website |
| 21:22:19 | pixelma | Nico_P: ok, I'll try to find out but I'm not sure how long my patience will last today... :) |
| 21:22:25 | gevaerts | Do PCF_* settings work from the bootloader ? |
| 21:22:48 | Nico_P | pixelma: do file a FS task. I won't have time for it today |
| 21:23:31 | pixelma | alright |
| 21:24:30 | amiconn | M3 firmware flash file name doesn't follow the same convention as X5(V) and M5 |
| 21:25:07 | Lear | pixelma: Do you mean like FS #8092? |
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| 21:26:12 | Lear | I think I've seen that one recently, but only one time... |
| 21:29:07 | pixelma | Lear: sorry, I don't fully understand this very "behind the scenes" report so I can't tell if it's the same |
| 21:30:04 | pixelma | just reporting as a user here... |
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| 21:33:39 | gevaerts | The PCF setting I wrote seems to still be wrong. |
| 21:33:42 | Lear | pixelma: My initial reading of it was like that too. It took a while after I filed FS #8158 until I realized it was the same as 8092. :) |
| 21:33:49 | * | gevaerts now builds a bootloader to correct that |
| 21:35:11 | Lear | pixelma: Can you reproduce it if you wait for buffering to finish before you skip back? Could be a problem that's only visible during buffering... |
| 21:35:37 | pixelma | Lear: from reading the 8158 task it seems to be something else |
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| 21:36:04 | shotofadds | Bagder: if you want to expand the build table, the D2 boot/main builds can probably be added soon (it'll be very yellow though). I want to put some instructions on the wiki first., though. |
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| 21:36:13 | shotofadds | It boots to the menu now :-) |
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| 21:36:41 | shotofadds | ..but buttons are not working yet. |
| 21:37:31 | gevaerts | \☺/ |
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| 21:37:36 | pixelma | Lear: I'll try now on my c250 - already put the oldest available daily on my M5 (and hope the bug didn't reoccur before that...) |
| 21:37:45 | gevaerts | It boots again! |
| 21:38:53 | Buschel | congrats! what was the failure? |
| 21:39:31 | gevaerts | Buschel: the 0xff I wrote to DCDC3 was "sticky". I had to write a 0 there from the bootloader to fix it |
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| 21:40:11 | Klevi | Nice job, gevaerts |
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| 21:42:11 | gevaerts | I do seem to be good at getting close to bricking devices that are supported and practically unbrickable... Maybe I should stick to writing plugins and designing WPS's. |
| 21:43:09 | Llorean | Bricking is a binary state. No matter how close you get, if you recover it, then it was !bricked. |
| 21:43:10 | Llorean | :-P |
| 21:43:25 | pixelma | Lear: your idea seems to be right, if I only skip back once it's finished first buffering, it'll play all of the song |
| 21:44:19 | pixelma | only tested mp3 so far, btw |
| 21:46:29 | Buschel | gevearts: datasheet tells "register is reset at initial start-up of PCF..." for DCDC3 (and some others). the larger part seems to reset after entering STANDBY state (e.g. via shutting down rockbox) |
| 21:47:03 | gevaerts | That would mean it is only reset on battery disconnect ? |
| 21:47:11 | * | Buschel was a lucky guy and did only change the reset-via-STDBY registers |
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| 21:47:30 | Buschel | gevearts: that's how I understand it |
| 21:48:03 | * | gevaerts thinks the ipod should have a battery disconnect switch like the gigabeat |
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| 21:48:56 | gevaerts | Horscht: I checked, and this microscope dates at least to 1959 |
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| 21:49:12 | Horscht | heh |
| 21:49:47 | gevaerts | But it is actually marked "Germany", not "Made in Germany". Anyway it might just be pre-1949 |
| 21:50:12 | * | gevaerts wants to put a list of "old devices used for reverse engineering" on the wiki |
| 21:54:51 | amiconn | ehummm |
| 21:55:14 | amiconn | Why the heck does the player build now complain about an undefined pixelformat?? |
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| 21:56:46 | amiconn | umm, it's quite obvious.... |
| 21:57:39 | Klevi_afk | you need an LCD driver? (maybe??) |
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| 21:59:34 | gevaerts | Actually, I'm using this microscope for exactly the same purpose as my mother's aunt in 1960, i.e. to look at audio players (she used it to examine gramophone needles in a lending library, to decide if they were in good enough shape to be allowed to play borrowed records) |
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| 22:01:03 | Diggin_on_james_ | Can anybody of you guys tell me a link where I can download the REP? |
| 22:01:57 | pixelma | I only know that there is a forum thread and that this patch is reported as severely outdated |
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| 22:03:26 | * | amiconn now thinks he knows what this "Logo" data at the start of the iAudio firmware files is |
| 22:03:48 | amiconn | On M3 it seems that this logo is displayed while flashing |
| 22:04:04 | Diggin_on_james_ | @pixelma: I downloaded an old version of this patch at www.misticriver.net (forum) a few month ago. But I found out that this forum does not work anymore. Can you tell me an alternative for the REP? |
| 22:04:16 | amiconn | Rockbox 'scramble' leaves this empty, leading to an empty screen with just a progress bar while flashing |
| 22:05:23 | gevaerts | So you could put a rockbox logo in yet another place ? |
| 22:05:35 | * | amiconn thinks we should probably put a rockbox logo there, with a "Bootloader" stamp on it |
| 22:06:01 | amiconn | I need to figure out the format, but that's lower prio than making it work... |
| 22:06:17 | amiconn | The crt0 code is definitely executed |
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| 22:06:38 | * | amiconn put a hardcoded LED enable there to see whether it's working |
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| 22:11:07 | * | Lear learns that gcc 4.3.0 is out. |
| 22:13:27 | * | Buschel sees that the battery life in WiKi/BuyersGuide are far out of date |
| 22:13:46 | Buschel | will update them tomorrow |
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| 22:30:37 | * | gevaerts found an even better setting. Writing 0x1e to DCUDC2 seems to require disconnecting the battery. |
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| 22:32:25 | gevaerts | And I haven't even started doing this while measuring yet. Just testing the software side... |
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| 22:43:14 | * | gevaerts is starting to think that these measurements should really be done on an ipod with a PCF50605, so we don't have to identify pins first |
| 22:45:01 | gevaerts | If it crashes or hangs on every third setting, it will take ages to locate all pins. The plastic bit that holds the battery cable in place is already in bad shape now... |
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| 22:56:47 | scorche|sh | "Results 1-10 of about 156 from www.rockbox.org/irc for ender yawn." |
| 22:57:13 | ender` | only 156? |
| 22:57:42 | scorche|sh | eh....it says "about" |
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| 23:39:18 | pixelma | Nico_P: the problem seems to start between the daily builds of February 26th (r16422) and 27th (r16430), your track skips commits happened in between. I'm not a 100% sure because I couldn't reproduce the problem completely reliably (maybe only 80-90%) but I tried a few times to reproduce with the 26th daily and it didn't happen, whereas the 27th one showed the problem on first try |
| 23:39:43 | pixelma | ...and currently I lack energy to test further |
| 23:42:08 | Nico_P | pixelma: that's already giving me a pretty good idea of where the bug appeared |
| 23:42:12 | Nico_P | thanks |
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| 23:46:07 | * | amiconn found the problem why the remote lcd does't work in the iaudio bootloaders |
| 23:47:32 | amiconn | Actually, the irivers probably have the same problem. But I won't flash untested bootloaders on an iriver |
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