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| 00:02:33 | syn4pse | amiconn: sweet, i would have been digging for a while. |
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| 00:11:32 | Buschel | saratoga: try to add "int_btn |= btn;" to firmware/target/arm/sandisk/sansa-e200/button-e200.c right after "btn = BUTTON_SCROLL_BACK;" (additional to patch #8668) |
| 00:11:57 | preglow | why is nano ata so slow :///// |
| 00:12:14 | preglow | a simple operation like deleting a directory with 13 files takes ages |
| 00:12:36 | Buschel | saratoga: this way the scrolldirection of the wheel should also be transmitted to to button_tick() and the gui boost should work |
| 00:17:01 | preglow | btw, could someone with an e200 try to reproduce this? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8361 |
| 00:17:13 | preglow | i can't make anything strange happen |
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| 00:22:10 | * | gevaerts obviously reads the usb audio spec differently than whoever wrote the linux usb audio driver... |
| 00:26:42 | preglow | gevaerts: you're working usb audio already? :) |
| 00:27:44 | gevaerts | preglow: yes. I'm trying to make a usb audio device that just says it exists, without any controls or audio streaming. According to my reading of the spec that should be possible, but the linux driver disagrees. |
| 00:28:48 | gevaerts | If I can't get it to work, I'll be forced to add real functionaliy to it :( |
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| 00:30:45 | voltagex | having trouble creating voice files, getting an error from rbutilqt on OSX |
| 00:33:38 | satatoga11 | Buschel: (for the logs) it compiles and when I go into debug screen it seems to be boosted and then unboosts after a bit but i'm not really too sure if its any different |
| 00:33:44 | satatoga11 | the sansa's UI wasn't too bad to begin with |
| 00:34:02 | satatoga11 | due to the small and fast lcd and relatively fast flash memory |
| 00:37:19 | satatoga11 | Buschel: it does seem to disrupt the back light timer somehow |
| 00:37:40 | satatoga11 | at least it sits on the menus with it on forever, but will turn off it left in the wps |
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| 00:52:07 | * | gevaerts isn't happy. He can get this to work in windows but not in linux :( |
| 00:52:46 | * | preglow wonders how hard it is to make usb midi work |
| 00:52:50 | preglow | now that would be cool |
| 00:53:00 | domonok1 | voltagex: whats the error ? |
| 00:53:41 | gevaerts | preglow: It should be possible, but is there a PP device that's actually fast enough to make this useful ? |
| 00:54:52 | preglow | gevaerts: sure, ipods would be plenty fast enough. any anyway, doesn't the gigabeat s have the same usb controller? ;) |
| 00:55:30 | gevaerts | It probably depends on what you want to do with it |
| 00:55:36 | preglow | some kind of synthesis |
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| 00:55:55 | preglow | an ordinary ipod should be more than enough for polyphonic subtractive synthesis |
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| 00:57:16 | preglow | a gigabeat s would be powerful enough for very fancy stuff |
| 00:57:16 | voltagex | domonok1: fixed, had the wrong path |
| 00:57:32 | voltagex | it still dies halfway through with "error encoding" |
| 00:58:07 | gevaerts | Actually, I can get it to work in both windows and linux, but not with the same descriptors. |
| 00:58:41 | voltagex | preglow: usb wifi + gigabeat = epic win |
| 00:58:57 | domonok1 | voltagex: you are using sapi as tts ? |
| 00:59:10 | voltagex | domonok1: Espeak on OS X |
| 00:59:57 | gevaerts | Maybe that's good enough to replace the dummy charging only interface ? linux gives an error in the dmesg output, but most people won't see that, and windows finds a nice "usb audio device". It should still be tried on mac of course. |
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| 01:00:20 | domonok1 | voltagex: could you open a bugreport for this on flyspray with as much info as possible, s i dont forget to investigat it :-) |
| 01:00:45 | voltagex | domonok1: is it possible to get debug output from rbutilqt? |
| 01:01:34 | domonok1 | voltagex: only if you build it in debug mode.. the release binarys are without debug functions.. |
| 01:01:48 | voltagex | ok, I'll see if I can build it |
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| 01:04:13 | domonok1 | voltagex: and that was while voicefile generation, not talkfiles, correct ? |
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| 01:22:22 | voltagex | domonok1: back, yes whole voice files. |
| 01:22:30 | gevaerts | Can I easily get and set volume control data (min, max, resolution, current value) ? |
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| 01:24:36 | * | gevaerts feels himself getting pulled ever closer to the playback code. |
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| 01:31:14 | Tuxguy | can rockbox play mpeg-4 ? |
| 01:32:04 | scorche|sh | where did you see that? |
| 01:32:41 | Tuxguy | me? |
| 01:32:49 | scorche|sh | yes.. |
| 01:33:18 | BigBambi | Tuxguy: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
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| 01:33:38 | voltagex | only the gigabeat would be powerful enough to play mpeg4 right? |
| 01:33:55 | scorche|sh | well, it depends... |
| 01:33:59 | Tuxguy | someone in another channel said i could convert avi to mpeg and it would play |
| 01:34:15 | scorche|sh | mpeg != mpeg4 |
| 01:34:28 | voltagex | Tuxguy: right, you should read the wiki |
| 01:35:05 | BigBambi | Tuxguy: mpeg 1 and 2 |
| 01:35:22 | Tuxguy | oh |
| 01:35:25 | Tuxguy | damn :( |
| 01:35:41 | BigBambi | why? |
| 01:35:56 | scorche|sh | you would need to reformat the video for the screen size anyway... |
| 01:36:00 | Tuxguy | this program only lets me export to mpeg4, divx.. and a few other formats |
| 01:36:02 | BigBambi | If you were going to convert to mpeg4, just convert to mpeg1/2 instead... |
| 01:36:10 | scorche|sh | then use a diffferent program... |
| 01:36:14 | Tuxguy | it also has an "ipod" setting....wonder if that is mpeg1/2 |
| 01:36:16 | BigBambi | Tuxguy: You really should read the wiki page I linked |
| 01:36:24 | voltagex | no, ipod setting would be mp4 |
| 01:36:29 | Tuxguy | oh |
| 01:36:30 | scorche|sh | H.264 |
| 01:36:33 | Tuxguy | im loading it now |
| 01:36:34 | Tuxguy | or trying to |
| 01:36:44 | Tuxguy | i was going to use ffmpeg but the package for mac is broken |
| 01:36:53 | voltagex | Tuxguy: go for |
| 01:36:59 | voltagex | Tuxguy: oops, go for mencoder |
| 01:37:08 | Tuxguy | i have mencoder |
| 01:37:16 | voltagex | Tuxguy: well then, go for it. |
| 01:37:19 | BigBambi | Tuxguy: Just read that page, it lists some options etc. |
| 01:41:44 | voltagex | is it just me or is the rockbox svn quite slow? |
| 01:41:47 | voltagex | the server i mean |
| 01:42:40 | BigBambi | seems fine here |
| 01:43:05 | BigBambi | Slow how? Compared to what? |
| 01:43:47 | voltagex | compared to a normal download |
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| 01:44:04 | scorche|sh | do you know how SVN works? |
| 01:44:11 | scorche|sh | it is far from a downloader |
| 01:44:18 | voltagex | yes |
| 01:44:27 | voltagex | but I should be able to get 20-40k/s from it |
| 01:44:41 | BigBambi | I get at least that |
| 01:44:50 | BigBambi | (I think :) |
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| 01:44:53 | voltagex | getting 1-6k/s |
| 01:44:57 | voltagex | according to the modem |
| 01:44:58 | Mitch_ | Guys, I have a question. |
| 01:45:04 | scorche|sh | ouch...i get more than that easily |
| 01:45:08 | Mitch_ | Rockbox does not work with iPod Nano's 2nd and 3rd, correct? |
| 01:45:09 | BigBambi | voltagex: Much faster than that here |
| 01:45:15 | BigBambi | Mitch_: correct |
| 01:45:18 | Mitch_ | Mmk. |
| 01:45:19 | scorche|sh | Mitch_: just as it says on the front page ;) |
| 01:45:21 | Mitch_ | xD |
| 01:45:24 | Mitch_ | Oh. |
| 01:45:25 | voltagex | BigBambi: feel like bzipping it up and sending it to me? :P |
| 01:45:26 | Mitch_ | xD |
| 01:45:34 | BigBambi | voltagex: Ha :) |
| 01:45:43 | scorche|sh | voltagex: the source is available form downloads in a tarball |
| 01:45:57 | scorche|sh | s/form/from |
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| 01:45:58 | voltagex | scorche|sh: rbutil as well? |
| 01:46:06 | voltagex | its rbutil I'm interested in |
| 01:47:01 | Tuxguy | damn, i dont understand the options i need to supply to mencoder |
| 01:47:02 | Tuxguy | :( |
| 01:47:30 | voltagex | Tuxguy: read the manpage? |
| 01:49:08 | voltagex | vcodec=mpeg2video |
| 01:49:24 | voltagex | acodec can be left out, as it defaults to mp2 |
| 01:53:18 | Tuxguy | i did mencoder vcodec=mpeg2video -vf scale:176:128 |
| 01:53:39 | Tuxguy | Option vf: -scale:176:132 doesn't exist. |
| 01:55:28 | voltagex | wtf |
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| 01:55:50 | * | BigBambi points at the wiki page he linked |
| 01:55:52 | BigBambi | -vf scale=<width>:<height> |
| 01:56:05 | voltagex | aha |
| 01:56:12 | BigBambi | spot the difference |
| 01:56:48 | voltagex | it seems we should just rtfm then |
| 01:57:13 | BigBambi | Or the wiki page I keep referring to, which is there for a reason |
| 01:57:19 | Tuxguy | i did |
| 01:57:31 | BigBambi | Not well enough it seems! |
| 01:57:54 | Tuxguy | thats where i got the commands from |
| 01:58:04 | BigBambi | Tuxguy: Yet you got them wrong |
| 01:58:22 | BigBambi | The wiki page clearly has -vf scale=<width>:<height> whereas you typed -vf scale:<width>:<height> |
| 01:58:38 | Tuxguy | ./mencoder /Users/ibook/Documents/Azureus\ Downloads/Superbad\[2007\]\[Unrated\ Editon\]DvDrip\[Eng\]-FXG/Superbad\[2007\]\[Unrated\ Editon\]DvDrip\[Eng\]-FXG.avi -ovc lavc -lavcoptc vcodec=mpeg2video -vf scale=176:132 supderbad.avi |
| 01:58:38 | Tuxguy | ./mencoder /Users/ibook/Documents/Azureus\ Downloads/Superbad\[2007\]\[Unrated\ Editon\]DvDrip\[Eng\]-FXG/Superbad\[2007\]\[Unrated\ Editon\]DvDrip\[Eng\]-FXG.avi -ovc lavc -lavcoptc vcodec=mpeg2video -vf scale=176:132 supderbad.avi |
| 01:58:47 | Tuxguy | whoops, only meant to do that 1x |
| 01:58:50 | BigBambi | Tuxguy: Please use something like pastebin |
| 01:59:52 | BigBambi | Tuxguy: Right, so you have -lavcoptc and I see -lavcopts on the wiki page for example |
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| 02:00:38 | BigBambi | Actually, I see both on the wiki page :) |
| 02:00:43 | Tuxguy | i saw both |
| 02:00:46 | Tuxguy | -lavcoptc is not an MEncoder option |
| 02:00:55 | BigBambi | So is -lavcopts? |
| 02:01:18 | Tuxguy | lavcopts is for audio |
| 02:01:20 | Tuxguy | isnt it? |
| 02:01:25 | Tuxguy | and lavcoptc for video |
| 02:01:31 | BigBambi | I don't know, can you not check? |
| 02:01:45 | Tuxguy | -lavcoptc vcodec=mpeg2video [output video codec] |
| 02:01:50 | Tuxguy | according to your wiki |
| 02:02:10 | BigBambi | The wiki also says -lavcopts so it is clearly wrong on one of them |
| 02:02:25 | BigBambi | Tuxguy: Why can't you do mencoder −−help and see which is correct? |
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| 02:05:53 | BigBambi | I have now fixed the wiki |
| 02:05:58 | Tuxguy | i barely can read english |
| 02:06:00 | Tuxguy | :( |
| 02:07:20 | BigBambi | Well this is getting pretty off topic now (this isn't a mencoder support channel), but you want -lavcopts |
| 02:07:51 | Tuxguy | bleh, i will just install ffmpeg from ports, it seems more easy |
| 02:09:36 | Llorean | I find ffmpeg a bit simpler, but it's a little more likely to run into media (or more specifically, containers I think) it can't handle, as well as not being able to really do anything with subtitles. |
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| 10:14:59 | pixelma | I think it's the same as in the e200s and wiki says that it's a SanyoLV24000 supposedly (even has an own wiki page...) |
| 10:16:06 | J-23 | I have executed "rm -rf /*" :/ |
| 10:24:50 | gibbon_ | it compiled the lv drivers after a clean look... |
| 10:25:03 | gibbon_ | pixelma: i couldn't find the own wiki page... silly but true |
| 10:25:11 | gibbon_ | J-23: tats not that funny, though |
| 10:27:14 | pixelma | gibbon_: just copy the wiki word (how I spelled the tuner), paste it into the "go" box on a Rockbox wiki page of your choice and press enter... ;) (it's not a long page though) |
| 10:27:50 | gibbon_ | i asked because i wanted to add a new region setting that modifies the frequency range and tuning width for basic amateur radio listening |
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| 10:28:19 | gibbon_ | pixelma: ah! i thought a special wiki page vor the sansa c250 where the tuner is referenced.. didn't look for the tuner in the wikis |
| 10:28:50 | gibbon_ | finer tuning steps and an advanced frequency range... |
| 10:29:07 | pixelma | maybe you can't find out more by reading the code, don't know |
| 10:29:16 | pixelma | s/can't/can |
| 10:29:37 | * | gibbon_ nods... but i am not quite understanding the translation settings |
| 10:30:29 | gibbon_ | i found out how to add an item to the structure... |
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| 10:31:55 | gibbon_ | i'm probablyy better off by modifiing an old item for now |
| 10:32:04 | gibbon_ | s/old/existing/ |
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| 10:42:11 | SliMM | hello |
| 10:42:59 | SliMM | is there a way to easyly get all the packages needed for compiling rockbox (in ubuntu) |
| 10:43:04 | SliMM | easily* |
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| 10:45:50 | gibbon_ | SliMM: you basically need a c compiler and build the cross toolchain with that |
| 10:46:06 | SliMM | gibbon_: sorry? |
| 10:46:30 | gibbon_ | its all well documented in the wiki, but a good start (and hell its the most easy cros toolchain to build ive ever seen) are the scripts in the tools directory |
| 10:46:47 | gibbon_ | SliMM: i think ubuntu calls these packages "build-essential" |
| 10:46:59 | gibbon_ | it depends on nearly everything you may need |
| 10:47:02 | gibbon_ | worked for me |
| 10:47:35 | SliMM | gibbon_: sorry, but i am new to ubuntu and linux in general, and i don't know what exactly i shold do |
| 10:47:44 | SliMM | should* |
| 10:47:49 | gibbon_ | ok... then i'll start a bit lower :) |
| 10:47:53 | gibbon_ | not a problem at all |
| 10:48:33 | gibbon_ | you know how to install packages in ubuntu? |
| 10:50:00 | gibbon_ | (and further more the skills of starting shell scripts, using a keyboard for terminal software and basic knowlege about the three steps to build software from source may be useful but are available to be deployed on you ;)) |
| 10:51:46 | SliMM | gibbon_: yes, i do know all these basic things :-) |
| 10:52:01 | gibbon_ | well fine |
| 10:52:32 | gibbon_ | then open a terminal and from there install build-essential and subversion (the latter one only if you have not checked out the current sourcecode yet) |
| 10:55:20 | SliMM | build-essential is the name of the package? |
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| 10:55:37 | gibbon_ | yes |
| 10:55:41 | gibbon_ | subversion as well |
| 10:55:53 | gibbon_ | i am not aware of other packages you might need... |
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| 10:56:10 | gibbon_ | bison might be needed... i am not sure... but we will figure out |
| 10:56:21 | SliMM | ok |
| 10:56:22 | SliMM | :-) |
| 10:56:30 | SliMM | good, done |
| 10:57:04 | gibbon_ | ok... do you already have obtained the source code base? |
| 10:57:39 | SliMM | well, no |
| 10:58:06 | gibbon_ | ok... then get the subversion package as well as needed |
| 10:58:24 | gibbon_ | then go to the directory where you want the rockbox source directory to be placed |
| 10:58:32 | SliMM | done |
| 10:59:03 | gibbon_ | ok |
| 10:59:43 | gibbon_ | "svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox" is the command you want to type now |
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| 11:00:42 | SliMM | downloading |
| 11:02:14 | SliMM | done |
| 11:03:11 | gibbon_ | go to rockbox/tools now |
| 11:04:18 | SliMM | damn, i already had a rockbox folder |
| 11:04:34 | SliMM | how do i move rockbox up one folder? |
| 11:05:31 | gibbon_ | and it didn't warn? |
| 11:05:35 | gibbon_ | it should hace |
| 11:05:37 | gibbon_ | have |
| 11:05:49 | SliMM | no, no |
| 11:05:56 | gibbon_ | the subversion command created a directory named rockbox |
| 11:05:58 | SliMM | i was in ~/Sources/Rockbox |
| 11:06:05 | gibbon_ | ah |
| 11:06:11 | SliMM | and svn created that folder |
| 11:06:17 | SliMM | i moved it up in nautilus |
| 11:06:23 | gibbon_ | ok |
| 11:06:25 | SliMM | (i love case sensitivity |
| 11:06:34 | SliMM | i am in tools now |
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| 11:08:03 | gibbon_ | do a "sudo ./rockboxdev.sh" |
| 11:08:18 | gibbon_ | this will - as root - build the toolchain |
| 11:08:39 | gibbon_ | choose the architecture of your player there |
| 11:09:04 | SliMM | i'll just choose arm for now |
| 11:09:24 | gibbon_ | you can build all if unsure ;) |
| 11:09:29 | gibbon_ | this will take a while |
| 11:09:59 | SliMM | for let's say a coldfire target simulator, do i need the coldfire toolchain? |
| 11:10:01 | gibbon_ | you will need to customize your environment after that for the rockbox build system to find the toolchain that is now built |
| 11:10:12 | gibbon_ | i am not sure about that |
| 11:10:19 | gibbon_ | i suppose not... but unsure |
| 11:10:49 | gibbon_ | i do not have the sh toolchain, so i'll try to make an archos simulator build to test that |
| 11:11:14 | domonoky | Slimm: for the simulators you dont need the crosscompilers.. |
| 11:11:27 | SliMM | ok, thanks |
| 11:11:33 | gibbon_ | ok :) thanks domonoky |
| 11:13:05 | gibbon_ | i found it to be amazing how easy cross compilation is with tockbox |
| 11:13:09 | gibbon_ | rockbox... |
| 11:14:10 | gibbon_ | i was into ipaq linux (familiar) development once... it was ... grml. but i think thats because rockbox doesn't make use of that whole bunch of external libraries of the glibc, right? |
| 11:17:51 | SliMM | gibbon_: well, it certenly (how should i spell that?) takes a while, i'll be away for 15 minutes or so |
| 11:18:00 | gibbon_ | ok |
| 11:18:03 | * | gibbon_ too |
| 11:18:14 | gibbon_ | the basic steps if it all succeeds i will write down for you here |
| 11:18:28 | SliMM | thanks |
| 11:18:52 | SliMM | ah, certainly |
| 11:19:41 | gibbon_ | as root, edit "/etc/environment" to add the line PATH="$PATH:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin" |
| 11:20:04 | gibbon_ | do this for every toolchain you build, replace arm with the appropriate arch |
| 11:20:59 | gibbon_ | in the rockbox directory now create a directory for your build... lets call it "player_build" |
| 11:21:36 | gibbon_ | go into that directory and call "../tools/configure", follow the instructions and you should then have a ready to use Makefile in that directory |
| 11:22:22 | gibbon_ | saying "make" on the commandline will hopefully then build the firmware, followed by a "make fullzip" to create a full zip archive to extract to the player or hand to friends ;) |
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| 11:23:00 | gibbon_ | it it complains about not finding the compiler, say "export PATH="$PATH:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin" on the commandline |
| 11:23:07 | gibbon_ | that should be it... |
| 11:23:12 | gibbon_ | afk |
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| 11:36:05 | tanasinn | Hurr |
| 11:36:42 | tanasinn | Who's familiar with the Sansa C200? |
| 11:37:14 | tanasinn | I doubt all 199 of you are idle |
| 11:37:27 | markun_ | I'm idle |
| 11:37:46 | tanasinn | Oh hush :< |
| 11:37:48 | domonoky | tanasinn: just ask your question, if somebody knows it, they will answer.. |
| 11:38:17 | tanasinn | Well I've got everything installed, but I can't figure out how to put the music on it |
| 11:38:30 | tanasinn | Do I put it in the root folder or .rockbox :? |
| 11:38:53 | domonoky | tanasinn: put it where you like it, better not into the .rockbox folder.. |
| 11:39:05 | tanasinn | Ok so the root folder it is |
| 11:39:17 | domonoky | for example make a musik dir, and put your musik into it.. |
| 11:39:31 | tanasinn | Alright |
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| 11:40:32 | pixelma | be aware that the "MUSIC" directory the sansa original firmware creates will also be marked hidden by the OF |
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| 11:55:09 | gevaerts | good morning |
| 11:56:39 | markun | morning gevaerts |
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| 12:01:19 | * | gevaerts starts to understand usb audio a bit better. It helps to read more of the spec |
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| 12:04:42 | tanasinn | Hahah oh wow |
| 12:05:06 | tanasinn | So I think that the Sansa firmware was messed up |
| 12:05:13 | tanasinn | The channels would get all messed up |
| 12:05:20 | tanasinn | But with rockbox it works fine |
| 12:05:22 | tanasinn | :? |
| 12:08:32 | tanasinn | Oh well, thanks for the help domonoky and pixelma |
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| 12:11:21 | markun | gevaerts: so, will it be easy to implement? |
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| 12:13:15 | linuxstb | Anyone know if any PP devices have a built-in mic? |
| 12:14:10 | gevaerts | markun: yes and no. A "minimal" usb audio driver that basically does nothing but make the OS happy is nearly done. This makes windows tell users it found a "usb audio device" in charging-only mode, which should be less confusing than an "unknown device, please find some drivers". An actually usable driver is more work, since it need isochronous support from the usb controller driver, which isn't there yet. |
| 12:14:33 | linuxstb | Have you given up on using the removable bit for charging-only? |
| 12:14:41 | gevaerts | linuxstb: the sansas have a microphone |
| 12:14:49 | pixelma | linuxstb: yes the sansas ... |
| 12:14:53 | * | pixelma too slow |
| 12:15:14 | linuxstb | So I guess usb audio is useful there - if you need a mic for your computer... |
| 12:15:17 | pixelma | maybe the h10s as well |
| 12:15:46 | linuxstb | Basically everything apart from the ipods then ;) (unsurprisingly...) |
| 12:16:05 | gevaerts | linuxstb: not sure. It would still make windows add a drive letter, which might confuse some people. This "empty audio" driver basically only shows up in the device manager |
| 12:17:16 | linuxstb | Yes, I can see how a drive letter could confuse. Anything else still feels like a hack though. |
| 12:17:50 | gevaerts | The mic is useful, maybe line-in/out as well for some people (I can imagine some of those ultra-portable laptops not having sound I/O). And of course there's also FM or the audio that's playing on rockbox. |
| 12:19:22 | gevaerts | Would it be less of a hack if it exposed rockbox volume controls (and balance, equalizer,...) to the OS ? Not sure if it will work correctly for all OSes, but the spec supports that. |
| 12:22:23 | linuxstb | I would (as a user) expect USB audio mode to work - i.e. be able to use the ipod as a speaker/mic. Which would mean stopping playback, so it isn't suitable for a generic charging mode. |
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| 12:22:41 | linuxstb | s/ipod/device/ (sorry...) |
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| 12:25:26 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Make it a printer ;) |
| 12:25:30 | gevaerts | There is that of course, but the only indication the "normal" user gets that it's a usb audio device is a small popup that appears for about 2 seconds. I'm not even sure if it appears every time you plug it in or the first time only |
| 12:26:35 | * | gevaerts doesn't feel like porting ghostscript to rockbox, and dislikes non-postscript printers |
| 12:26:44 | linuxstb | I'm assuming it's not possible to be a UMS device with no drives? |
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| 12:26:59 | SSnake | good morning |
| 12:27:34 | gevaerts | linuxstb: no. UMS specifies the number of drives by giving the number of the last one, so "0" means one drive |
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| 12:29:52 | linuxstb | gevaerts: But I agree a dummy usb audio driver seems better than any of the UMS ideas. |
| 12:30:15 | gevaerts | linuxstb: I'll finish the non-"useful" usb audio driver and propose it as a patch. That way people can see what it actually does and how it interacts with the user. |
| 12:32:05 | markun | gevaerts: with more and more USB devices being added, do we need a setting for it with one extra option "ask"? |
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| 12:33:09 | markun | charge, ums/msc, serial, audio, (mtp?) |
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| 12:33:41 | markun | btw, is there some standard way to sync a RTC over USB? |
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| 12:34:10 | linuxstb | I would expect MTP to include it. |
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| 12:34:51 | SSnake | info needed: is it possible to make load an entire codec (in my case something to read a wav file) from plugin and let it play music inside the plugin? |
| 12:34:55 | markun | then maybe it's not even a bad idea to add a dummy MTP driver just for that |
| 12:34:59 | bertrik | is anyone working on charging for the sansas, now that USB is working reasonably well? |
| 12:36:03 | linuxstb | Or not - looking at libmtp, it has a "get secure time" function, but no function to set the time. |
| 12:37:12 | gevaerts | markun: we will need a settings menu soon. The PP chips are limited to three endpoints, including the default control endpoint. That means that we soon won't even be able to enable everything at the same time |
| 12:37:59 | * | linuxstb starts to think MTP would be a nice way to expose the Rockbox database to PC apps |
| 12:38:15 | SSnake | actually i'm loading wav file by myself and trying to fire the content with rb->pcm_play_data(...) but i need to know how to set the audio hardware to 8 bit mono. Do i have to prepare raw chuncks in some way? (make them stereo or so...) |
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| 12:39:07 | bertrik | configuring the charge controller in the AS3514 based sansas is really easy, there just needs to be some kind of trigger to allow the charger to draw more current when USB is plugged in and configured |
| 12:39:31 | linuxstb | SSnake: I think you'll need to convert to 16-bit yourself. The audio API exposed to plugins is very low-level... |
| 12:40:06 | markun | linuxstb: can't he use the DSP code for the conversion? |
| 12:40:22 | markun | dsp.c I mean |
| 12:40:35 | SSnake | mmm that's what i thought... uff.... thx linuxstb |
| 12:41:01 | linuxstb | markun: Yes, that's true... mpegplayer uses it now. |
| 12:41:41 | linuxstb | SSnake: Also, what samplerate is your audio? |
| 12:41:47 | SSnake | 22khz |
| 12:42:03 | SSnake | but i used the plugin call to chanke it with SAMPR_22 |
| 12:42:08 | SSnake | *change |
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| 12:42:19 | linuxstb | That won't work on all targets - not all support all samplerates. |
| 12:42:25 | Slasheri | SSnake: you should use dsp to do that conversion. rockbox always keeps the hardware 44.1 kHz samplerate |
| 12:42:54 | linuxstb | Slasheri: No, plugins can switch samplerate (if available) - e.g. Doom audio is 22.5KHz IIRC |
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| 12:43:21 | SSnake | yes i've poked into doom code... and found SAMPR_22 etc defines |
| 12:43:36 | Slasheri | linuxstb: ah, that might not work for all platforms |
| 12:43:44 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Yes, that's what I said ;) |
| 12:43:58 | SSnake | now the question remains about mono/stereo .... do i have to make some kind of stereo interleaving? |
| 12:44:10 | linuxstb | Yes |
| 12:44:53 | SSnake | ...arrgh....like in metronome plugin..... that's why it used to make such a thing.... |
| 12:45:33 | Slasheri | the bitrate conversion/interleaving should be quite simple to do. the only more difficult thing should be the samplerate conversion but the dsp library has a way to do that |
| 12:45:34 | linuxstb | So you have two choices - do the conversion yourself (including to 44.1KHz for targets that don't support 22.5KHz), or use the DSP functions. |
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| 12:46:41 | SSnake | mmm are dsp functions accessible from plugins? is just a call to do or....i need to implement some kind of conversion by myself? (i mean only about the rate conversion) |
| 12:46:50 | linuxstb | Look at mpegplayer |
| 12:47:38 | SSnake | ok let's have a look.... hope to understand how it works... |
| 12:48:51 | SSnake | it would be really a great help if all the playback engine could be "fired" under plugins to play some sort of audio files.... |
| 12:49:01 | linuxstb | SSnake: A patch would be welcome ;) |
| 12:49:55 | SSnake | :> honestly i've not enough knowhow |
| 12:50:00 | linuxstb | But I agree, there is scope for a much better audio API for plugins. |
| 12:51:07 | SSnake | actually it seems to be i'll be the firt to use the new buffering API in plugins....it's really a good help for me |
| 12:51:32 | SSnake | *first |
| 12:52:29 | SSnake | no malloc to think about....all the buffering made by the OS |
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| 12:52:56 | SSnake | (of course i'm talking about my sort of malloc implementation) |
| 12:54:37 | linuxstb | That seems overkill - the "malloc" you would need is trivial. |
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| 12:58:07 | J-23 | Hmm. |
| 12:58:24 | J-23 | Have you (Rockbox devs) removed 6x9 font? |
| 12:58:51 | Bagder | no |
| 12:59:05 | J-23 | (from rockbox-fonts.zip) |
| 12:59:11 | markun | J-23: still here: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/fonts/ |
| 12:59:21 | Bagder | ls -l fonts/6x9.bdf |
| 12:59:21 | Bagder | -rw-r−−r−− 1 daniel daniel 144670 2007-01-10 00:42 fonts/6x9.bdf |
| 12:59:32 | markun | maybe it gets excluded from the build? |
| 12:59:49 | J-23 | hmm. |
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| 13:00:01 | * | J-23 redownloads rockbox-fonts.zip |
| 13:00:05 | markun | Bagder: did the code for "make fontzip" change? |
| 13:00:30 | Bagder | I don't think so |
| 13:01:47 | Bagder | I just tried it with current svn and I get the font included fine |
| 13:01:53 | J-23 | hmm, probably I don't have write permission to my player |
| 13:01:54 | J-23 | :/ |
| 13:02:18 | SSnake | @linux: yes...absolutely trivial...maybe better to use my simple malloc (just a bunch of pointers updated) to avoid unuseful function callings... |
| 13:03:02 | * | gevaerts still doesn't like 10 (slightly) different mallocs in the plugins |
| 13:03:13 | J-23 | Hmm... |
| 13:03:13 | * | Bagder agrees with gevaerts |
| 13:03:36 | Bagder | one of these days we need to provide a single malloc solution for the plugins and codecs |
| 13:03:56 | * | gevaerts proposes to add malloc to the plugin api, and hides somewhere where linuxstb can't find him |
| 13:03:57 | Bagder | possibly with some minor options on how it should behave |
| 13:04:04 | J-23 | I see /dev/sdb1, player uses it, but I can't fsck it or write to it. |
| 13:04:40 | SSnake | linuxstb will find it wherever you'll put :> |
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| 13:04:59 | gevaerts | SSnake: no problem, as long as he doesn't find _me_ |
| 13:05:15 | J-23 | "Invalid disk format in boot sector." |
| 13:07:46 | domonoky | J-23: if your device is an ipod, sdb1 will be the firmwarepartition, and sdb2 the partition for your data... |
| 13:08:04 | J-23 | it's Sansa c240 |
| 13:08:05 | amiconn | gevaerts: You will not just have to hide from linuxstb. malloc is a bad concept for something like rockbox |
| 13:08:41 | SSnake | found it ! rb->dsp_configure :))))) |
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| 13:10:35 | gevaerts | amiconn: I agree in general, but I also think that if 10 plugins use it (and we're near that), I think we should at least consider making those use a single implementation |
| 13:11:23 | amiconn | Perhaps, but then it should stay strictly plugin-only |
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| 13:12:36 | * | amiconn thinks that the majority of places which use malloc just use it due to laziness |
| 13:13:13 | * | preglow questions how useful backdrops are on grayscale tagets |
| 13:13:15 | preglow | targets <- |
| 13:13:46 | BigBambi | The Cabbie V2 backdrop annoys me on the H1x0 - the bottom right Rockbox logo obscures the text |
| 13:13:49 | SSnake | keep in mind that those in plugins have nothing to do with REAL malloc philosophy: it's just a function to update pointers ( apart from doom)... so why complain so much? |
| 13:13:51 | preglow | yeah |
| 13:13:54 | preglow | it looks bloody useless |
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| 13:14:06 | BigBambi | It looks useless and it stops you reading the text |
| 13:14:08 | preglow | i think the backdrop functionality should just be plain dropped on grayscale targets |
| 13:14:20 | gevaerts | Indeed. I'm not proposing to allow malloc everywhere, and new code shouldn't use it, but porting existing code to a strict malloc-less environment is hard |
| 13:14:21 | amiconn | Wjy? |
| 13:14:53 | BigBambi | I would like the backdrop removed from the default at least - being able to read the text on screen is more important than the backdrop. |
| 13:15:09 | BigBambi | But if people want to use it themselves, then so be it |
| 13:16:11 | amiconn | If the backdrop only uses white & lightgray, text stays readable |
| 13:16:30 | amiconn | Basically, it shouldn't go below ~50% brightness |
| 13:16:42 | BigBambi | The text on the H1x0 cannot be read over the rockbox logo on the cabbie v2 background |
| 13:16:57 | amiconn | What level does that logo use? |
| 13:17:02 | BigBambi | I wouldn't remove the functionality, just the backdrop from the default |
| 13:17:06 | BigBambi | I don't know |
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| 13:17:55 | BigBambi | But it appears black on screen, so too dark :) |
| 13:18:28 | pixelma | BigBambi, preglow: I plan to update (improve) the greyscale graphics for the theme anyways - the menu backdrop is definitely one thing, but I think it could work if it was clearer and only used light and dark grey (maybe only the former) |
| 13:18:56 | pixelma | just don't know when that will be, hopefully over Easter |
| 13:18:57 | BigBambi | Yes, a light one could work, but at the moment it is just hugely annoying |
| 13:18:58 | jhMikeS | amiconn: you were pinging me the other day? I'm here now. |
| 13:19:19 | pixelma | BigBambi: I know, I could see it on my M5 |
| 13:19:44 | pixelma | so maybe that will be the first thing to do... |
| 13:19:46 | BigBambi | Well, hugely is perhaps a bit strong, at least we have a clear backdrop option :) |
| 13:21:28 | preglow | btw, i think it's high time we got a proper malloc implementation for plygins |
| 13:21:32 | preglow | a small lightweight one |
| 13:21:59 | * | pixelma wonders what plygins are... :P |
| 13:22:00 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I wanted to know a few bits regarding the coldfire IIS. But in fact I'm not yet at the point where I need this info. First I need to make ADC work without utter hacks |
| 13:22:01 | jhMikeS | plygins = plyable plugins? |
| 13:22:30 | * | amiconn has working buttons on M3, but the driver isn't committable |
| 13:22:59 | amiconn | The ADC is hooked to the second i2c port |
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| 13:23:31 | amiconn | I'm currently (mis-)using the standard coldfire i2c driver, but that's a no-no if we ever want performance |
| 13:23:40 | * | jhMikeS dusts off some old brain cells that might contain CF ISS info |
| 13:24:02 | amiconn | The standard driver polls, and the ADC needs the i2c clock to stay below 16kHz (!) |
| 13:24:26 | amiconn | Transferring 4 bytes at 16kHz i2c clock each 10ms sucks a lot of cpu power... |
| 13:24:47 | linuxstb | Do any plugins actually use a "real" malloc - i.e. relying on free working? |
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| 13:25:33 | amiconn | Luckily, the ADC is the only thing hooked to i2c port 2, so moving this into an isr shouldn't be too difficult |
| 13:25:56 | amiconn | The problem is how to do this without breaking the generic driver, or messing it up beyond recognition... |
| 13:26:02 | Nico_P | SSnake: if you're considering using the buffering API in a plugin, you could take a look at pictureflow |
| 13:26:34 | linuxstb | Nico_P: How well does that work? i.e. how does it interact with playback? |
| 13:26:41 | jhMikeS | amiconn: why not do it threaded? |
| 13:27:06 | Nico_P | linuxstb: bufop or bufalloc will fail if the buffer is full. |
| 13:27:08 | gibbon_ | re |
| 13:27:12 | Nico_P | *bufopen |
| 13:27:22 | amiconn | jhMikeS: How? |
| 13:27:35 | amiconn | Buttons need to be read in the button tick |
| 13:27:37 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Meaning the behaviour is unpredictable (to a user) ? |
| 13:27:55 | amiconn | I think I'll go for an adc concept similar to the archoses |
| 13:28:17 | Nico_P | linuxstb: if audio is playing, yes. that's why we tell users that prictureflow won't work while music is playing, although it can if the buffer isn't full |
| 13:28:27 | jhMikeS | amiconn: no way to use interrupts for buttons? |
| 13:28:34 | amiconn | huh? |
| 13:28:56 | amiconn | The buttons are hooked to the adc, like on vast majority of our targets |
| 13:29:03 | amiconn | (except main Play and remote Play) |
| 13:29:39 | * | jhMikeS can hardly think anything meaningful here anyway |
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| 13:30:31 | amiconn | And the ADC is a pretty dumb thing. It's a PIC12F675, which obviously just scans its adc inputs, and implements an i2c interface |
| 13:31:22 | amiconn | All we can do is read 4 bytes via i2c, which contain the 4 adc channel values (main buttons, battery, remote buttons, unused) |
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| 13:33:09 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I'm working on my WPS viewports patch again this weekend, and am wondering if/how to implement conditional viewports... Have you looked at how my viewports WPS patch works? |
| 13:33:46 | linuxstb | amiconn: And to answer your question from last night, yes, I'm also planning to document the viewports api this weekend. |
| 13:34:14 | Nico_P | linuxstb: no, I haven't :( |
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| 13:35:01 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I guess most of the work is done at parsing time? |
| 13:35:09 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Basically, I've added an extra "viewport" level above the line level - so a WPS is an array of viewports, each containing an array of lines. |
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| 13:35:36 | linuxstb | So yes, the viewports are processed at parsing time - so the existing conditional mechanism won't work |
| 13:36:03 | * | Nico_P goes to look for the patch |
| 13:36:20 | gevaerts | linuxstb: at least doom is full of calls to free(). No idea what happens if that is stubbed out. |
| 13:36:23 | linuxstb | Nico_P: 8385 |
| 13:36:44 | linuxstb | (the updated patch by disorganizer is fine) |
| 13:36:49 | gibbon_ | gmm... another fm radio question |
| 13:36:55 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I was going to ask about that :) |
| 13:37:16 | gibbon_ | is there a possibility to add signal quality mute to the sansa? |
| 13:37:25 | gibbon_ | some kind of squelch? |
| 13:37:33 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Looking at Doom, it seems to have its own "Z_Malloc" and "Z_Free" implementations - i.e. it handles memory itself. (but I've only looked briefly) |
| 13:37:44 | gibbon_ | i'm not asking for a guide or such... just the tecnical possibility |
| 13:37:56 | Nico_P | linuxstb: do viewports have a "visible" attribute? |
| 13:38:12 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: mpegplayer's "malloc" is totally twisted to it's own purposes |
| 13:38:33 | linuxstb | Nico_P: No. All you do is tell the LCD driver the current viewport. |
| 13:39:48 | * | gevaerts gives up. If every plugin that needs full malloc wants its own specially optimized version, unification makes no sense. |
| 13:41:45 | Nico_P | linuxstb: ah, the viewport tag doesn't even add a token? |
| 13:42:01 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I was thinking of something like "%VC|x|y|width|height|..." - to add an optional condition to the viewport (in that example, album-art) |
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| 13:44:03 | Nico_P | linuxstb: sounds like a good idea |
| 13:45:22 | Nico_P | that just means you need to store the conditional token somewhere though |
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| 13:46:06 | linuxstb | Is there a function to parse whatever is after the V for me and return a token? |
| 13:46:40 | linuxstb | And also a way to know if it's suitable for use as a conditional? |
| 13:46:53 | Nico_P | parse_token |
| 13:47:14 | * | gevaerts improves his score... Now Windows XP bluescreens on plugin |
| 13:47:22 | preglow | i think it's stupid to depend on free not working, it'll bother us soner or later |
| 13:47:37 | Nico_P | linuxstb: any token is considered suitable for a conditional |
| 13:47:39 | preglow | daniel and co already have a nice malloc we can use |
| 13:48:07 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Even things like %pb ? |
| 13:50:50 | Nico_P | reading a %pb tag at that place will cause a parse error |
| 13:51:07 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Doesn't parse_token do too much though? i.e. updating wps_data with data for that subline |
| 13:52:39 | Nico_P | I think you're right |
| 13:52:40 | linuxstb | Maybe I should just loop through the token array myself... |
| 13:53:08 | Nico_P | that's what I was going to say... there's not much more you want to do in that case |
| 13:54:35 | linuxstb | But then how can I tell what tokens are valid for conditionals? There doesn't seem to be a pattern in the token array |
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| 13:58:52 | Nico_P | maybe by calling the parse func |
| 13:59:07 | linuxstb | Which parse function? |
| 13:59:30 | Nico_P | the one associated with the token. most of the time there's none |
| 13:59:45 | Nico_P | or you could just reject any token that has one |
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| 14:00:07 | Nico_P | hmm no |
| 14:00:48 | Nico_P | (I had forgotten the AA conditional tag had one) |
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| 14:02:33 | linuxstb | On a slightly different subject, are images used in conditionals cleared? e.g. if you have an image to display on hold (but no image specified for hold off) |
| 14:02:36 | markun | is the Meizu M6 going to be target 101 or are there other players not committed already using this? |
| 14:03:01 | Nico_P | linuxstb: IIRC they are |
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| 14:11:33 | gevaerts | USB audio now "works" for both windows XP and linux. In Windows it just shows a pop-up saying it found a new usb audio device on first insert. Inserting the player a second time only makes a USB audio device appear in the device manager, so "normal" users probably won't ever see it. |
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| 14:12:55 | gibbon_ | gevaerts: mind to ask what kind of usb audio support are you working out? anywhere i can read? |
| 14:13:07 | gibbon_ | sounds interesting in a thousand different ways :) |
| 14:14:23 | markun | gibbon_: there is some talk about it earlier in the logs |
| 14:14:51 | gevaerts | gibbon_: I'm open for feature requests ;) |
| 14:15:13 | gibbon_ | wait a second.. .examining lastlog results |
| 14:16:33 | gevaerts | In it's current state it's only useful as a "better" Charging Only mode, in the sense that Windows doesn't ask for a driver |
| 14:16:55 | gibbon_ | exporting mic/radio to the PC was a nice feature but i don't know if its possible |
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| 14:17:10 | gibbon_ | ah, thats a great idea |
| 14:17:38 | gibbon_ | hid was great, too |
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| 14:18:09 | gevaerts | Basically any audio streaming between PC and device should be possible, as long as you don't want more than two streams in each direction. |
| 14:18:20 | gibbon_ | if you don't mind, i would be happy to explain a scenario to you, where HID/UMS coexistance would be very senseful |
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| 14:18:43 | gevaerts | Go ahead |
| 14:19:01 | gibbon_ | i have an old iPod color device with a broken battery |
| 14:19:11 | * | gevaerts thinks it's time for a wiki page with "realistic" ideas |
| 14:19:42 | gibbon_ | and i really like that one because its harddrive is capable holding most of the music i listen to regulary |
| 14:20:36 | gibbon_ | imagine the rockbox in the ipod playing music... controlled by the pc... (use is limited to very very special cases) |
| 14:21:19 | gibbon_ | controlled as in "some keys of the ipod keypad are emulatable using the pc" |
| 14:21:40 | gibbon_ | while i speak i notice that serial was sufficient for that... nevermind |
| 14:21:41 | domonoky | gibbon_: wouldnt hid be the other way round ? ie you can control the pc with your ipod :-) |
| 14:21:53 | gibbon_ | domonoky: just got that, too :) |
| 14:24:16 | gibbon_ | its a bit overkill... |
| 14:25:34 | gevaerts | gibbon_: it should be possible to export the volume/equalizer settings to the PC, so that if you don't need to change the playlist you can at least adjust the sound from the PC |
| 14:26:39 | gibbon_ | i more thought of exporting a "universal keypad mapping" to the pc... |
| 14:26:50 | gevaerts | gibbon_: and then I'll implement HID so you can actually adjust the ipod volume from the ipod :) |
| 14:26:51 | gibbon_ | since every pc keyboard looks similar... |
| 14:27:15 | gibbon_ | speaking of a loopback? ;) |
| 14:28:37 | domonoky | hid would be nice for the simulator, control the sim with the real device :-) |
| 14:28:59 | gibbon_ | well... THAT is some idea |
| 14:31:02 | domonoky | for an added bonus, we should then also export the sim display via usb graphics to the player... *hehe* |
| 14:31:28 | gibbon_ | gevaerts: what i thought of is to open a serial connectionto the device that emulates a generic input device... being able to use arrow keys to simulate menu movement and enter to select etc... |
| 14:32:05 | gibbon_ | the device could send back metadata |
| 14:32:26 | gibbon_ | in addition to possible debug output |
| 14:33:18 | gevaerts | gibbon_: that should be possible. usb serial already works on linux, and it should be easy to add that sort of functionality to it (I used it last week to change power management chip setting from my laptop) |
| 14:33:55 | gibbon_ | gevaerts: ah. |
| 14:34:33 | gibbon_ | i am still looking for someone who is into the sanyo tuner driver code :/ |
| 14:35:59 | gevaerts | How does the GUI work in general ? Does it get events on the button queue, or does the code read button states directly ? |
| 14:36:15 | gibbon_ | i don't really know |
| 14:36:42 | gibbon_ | in the latter case, it should be possible to implement such a behaviour very easily |
| 14:37:05 | linuxstb | It can be either - the main GUI reads from button queue, but plugins may want to read button states directly |
| 14:37:55 | gevaerts | OK. I guess noone will want to control doom from hyperterminal anyway, so the usb serial driver could just inject button events in the queue. |
| 14:40:20 | gevaerts | If anyone wants to have a go, look for the "Data received. TODO : Do something with it ?" comment in usb_serial.c. Incoming data is in receive_buffer, and the number of available bytes is in 'length' |
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| 14:42:29 | Tuxguy | ffmpeg is telling me it can't find a suitable output. Does that mean I am missing encoders? |
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| 14:48:45 | gevaerts | Tuxguy: it can also mean that you're not using the right options |
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| 14:49:33 | Tuxguy | oh ok |
| 14:49:57 | gevaerts | Tuxguy: can you put the command line you're using on pastebin.ca or similar ? |
| 14:50:13 | Tuxguy | Ah, i got it working |
| 14:50:19 | Tuxguy | i typed ffmpeg ffmpeg -i, ...etc |
| 14:50:20 | Tuxguy | lol |
| 14:50:41 | Tuxguy | Does 'time' mean how many seconds it has been running, or how many seconds into the movie? or something else? |
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| 14:51:51 | gevaerts | I think how many seconds into the movie |
| 14:52:04 | Tuxguy | oh , this is going to be a long day :) |
| 14:52:16 | Tuxguy | It's only like 180 seconds into the movie, and it's been like 5 minutes, lol |
| 14:52:59 | gevaerts | Try a short(ish) movie first, to see if the settings are OK for your player |
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| 14:53:17 | Tuxguy | Ah, i did a 1mb movie earlier, and it came out good |
| 14:53:38 | Tuxguy | But this is an 700mb mobie |
| 14:53:40 | Tuxguy | movie |
| 14:54:18 | * | gevaerts has to go now. Real life gets in the way |
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| 14:56:23 | bluebrother | domonoky: around? |
| 14:56:30 | domonoky | yes |
| 14:57:06 | bluebrother | nice. I just tried Qt 4.4.0-beta1 in regards of accessibility |
| 14:57:23 | domonoky | is it better ? |
| 14:57:30 | bluebrother | the QTabBar is now voiced correctly. Unfortunately QAbstractListView isn't :( |
| 14:57:48 | bluebrother | which means all our progress windows aren't voiced correctly |
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| 14:58:10 | bluebrother | oh, and do you have an idea about this issue? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15940 |
| 14:58:36 | bluebrother | do you remember the bug ID you filed at trolltech for the QTabBar issue? |
| 14:58:44 | domonoky | hm.. |
| 14:59:51 | domonoky | its task id 185584, but its still open.. |
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| 15:00:12 | domonoky | maybe because 4.4.0 isnt released.. |
| 15:00:35 | domonoky | and perhaps we can fild a replacement for our listview, which is better accessible ? |
| 15:00:46 | domonoky | s/fild/find |
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| 15:01:15 | bluebrother | not sure ... the same happens for the player selection (as it also is a QAbstractListView) |
| 15:01:32 | SSnake | @linux: Doom is the only plugin implementing a free function (even if i never looked if it's some sort of garbage collector or just a bunch of pointers moved). All other plugins rely on a simple "increment/decrement pointer" implementation |
| 15:01:36 | bluebrother | need to check the combo boxes again ... I think to remember there was something strange too |
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| 15:01:44 | domonoky | about the voicefile issue, i dont know... i would have to make a few tests, to see where it gets clipped .. |
| 15:02:41 | SSnake | and however all malloc functions are really "custom" (as you can see in mpegplayer) so _i think_ creating some sort of general API would not be so useful |
| 15:02:44 | domonoky | there is also a combobox issue on the task tracker of qt, but as far as i remember they work, if you open the combobox.. |
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| 15:03:25 | domonoky | if you only use up/down, the combobox doesnt speak, but if you open the combobox list before it works.. |
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| 15:07:10 | Tuxguy | hmm |
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| 15:08:37 | domonoky | bluebrother: the listview in the progresswindow could probably be replaced with a QTextEdit, but i dont now if this is more accessible.. |
| 15:09:30 | Tuxguy | Can you preview a movie while it is encoding? |
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| 15:11:12 | bluebrother^ | domonoky: can we show icons in the qtextedit as easy as in the list view? And how about the alternating background colors? |
| 15:11:44 | domonoky | Textedit can show markup, even html, so it should be possible.. |
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| 15:12:08 | linuxstb | Tuxguy: You can probably just play it - but these kinds of questions don't belong here... |
| 15:12:09 | bluebrother^ | yep, but we would need to format everything on each update ... don't think this will make things easier :( |
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| 15:12:32 | Tuxguy | linuxstb, i tried to play it and the screen was blank |
| 15:13:10 | domonoky | the formating would be hidden in the progress class, and i think its possible to just append text.. so not much a problem.. |
| 15:13:25 | domonoky | the only question is: how accessible would this be ? |
| 15:13:42 | linuxstb | Tuxguy: Join #rockbox-community |
| 15:13:46 | bluebrother | well, as QLabel already speaks the formatting ... |
| 15:14:33 | whoever_ | hi together - my iAudio X5 can't start with 30 % (or less) battery - can i change that? how is it possible to safe the battery?? |
| 15:18:36 | whoever_ | sorry for my english - I'm German |
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| 15:24:57 | stripwax | whoever_ - that might be the minimum needed to start the iAudio. How long does the battery last between full charges? |
| 15:26:09 | whoever_ | ehm - stripwax , i'm not shure if I understand your question. But to load the iAudio it takes (without running Rockbox) neary 3 hours, and the iAudio runs with rockbox nearly 8.5hour |
| 15:26:09 | whoever_ | s |
| 15:28:27 | whoever_ | (to load the iAudio means to load the battery;) - that takes nearly 3 hours:)) |
| 15:29:04 | bluebrother | whoever_: you're referring to charging ;) |
| 15:29:15 | whoever_ | yes:=) |
| 15:30:10 | whoever_ | or was the question how often I charge my battery? that is every second day |
| 15:32:46 | bluebrother | domonoky: do you know of any free screenreader for windows apart from NVDA? |
| 15:33:28 | bluebrother | whoever_: the question stripwax asked referred to the playtime until you need to recharge the player |
| 15:33:38 | domonoky | bluebrother: unfortunatly not.. i tried with the Jaws installer, but you can only use it for an hour.. |
| 15:33:50 | bluebrother | i.e. if you charged the player, how long can you play music? |
| 15:33:50 | whoever_ | ok - bluebrother and stripwax : that is nearly 8.5 hours |
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| 15:35:57 | stripwax | whoever_ - and does your battery still report 30% after 8.5 hours? |
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| 15:36:15 | whoever_ | no, then it is on 4 or 5 % |
| 15:36:20 | whoever_ | (to stripwax:)) |
| 15:37:19 | stripwax | So the problem is, if you stop it before 8.5 hours, then you can't turn it on again without charging it first? |
| 15:38:02 | whoever_ | stripwax, usually I turn it two times on with one chargning:) |
| 15:38:05 | stripwax | I'm not sure if the battery level you get in rockbox is completely reliable. It might say 30% but it's still more like 4 or 5% |
| 15:39:28 | whoever_ | stripway, I wouldn't say that - because I was looking to the battery and it is on 30% really 30%:) |
| 15:39:28 | * | bluebrother discovers narrator.exe :) |
| 15:40:43 | stripwax | any rockbox devs with an iAudio know about this problem? |
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| 15:47:44 | bluebrother | whoever_: well, the problem might be that your battery starting to fail (no idea if the value you gave is a sign for that), and startup usually requires more battery than simple playback (due to required disc spinup) |
| 15:48:07 | bluebrother | but I'm not familiar with that player so I could be completely wrong about this ... |
| 15:48:30 | whoever_ | bluebrother, and can't I do something, that the startup don't need so much battery? |
| 15:49:00 | bluebrother | no. Startup requires to load files from disc, while when playing (and the files are already buffered) the disc can kept off |
| 15:49:39 | bluebrother | but you could check the runtime statistics wiki page and check what runtime you should expect off your player. |
| 15:50:09 | whoever_ | how can I find the runtime statistic wiki? |
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| 15:52:24 | markun | Can anyone help me locate the Samsung S6D0129 or S6D0139 datasheet? |
| 15:53:00 | bluebrother | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BatteryRuntime |
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| 15:53:36 | markun | amiconn: one of them is probably the LCD-driver IC in the Meizu M6S models |
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| 15:56:10 | yavi | hello |
| 15:56:19 | whoever_ | bluebrother, tank you |
| 15:56:20 | yavi | one question... |
| 15:56:31 | yavi | is it normal that when plaing flac files |
| 15:56:46 | yavi | they work badly? |
| 15:56:51 | BigBambi | badly how? |
| 15:56:54 | stripwax | yavi - you only need to press Enter once, at the end of your sentence :) |
| 15:56:56 | yavi | I mean.. the tracks |
| 15:56:57 | yavi | stops |
| 15:57:08 | yavi | every ...10 seconds or something like that |
| 15:57:09 | BigBambi | On what player, what version of rockbox? |
| 15:57:21 | yavi | ipod photo |
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| 15:57:24 | BigBambi | yavi: Please type full sentences |
| 15:57:36 | BigBambi | And what version of rockbox? |
| 15:57:41 | yavi | ok BigBambi sorry |
| 15:58:06 | yavi | mmm the last one I think 'cause I downloaded it about one week ago |
| 15:59:27 | BigBambi | yavi: Rockbox is uodated many times a day normally |
| 15:59:32 | BigBambi | *updated |
| 15:59:44 | BigBambi | Please check again with the current build, then report back |
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| 16:01:54 | gibbon_ | hmm |
| 16:02:18 | bluebrother | domonoky: interesting commit ... I had it building on windows :o |
| 16:02:28 | gibbon_ | is there a way to keep the FM preset lists from reducing the list display to uniqes? |
| 16:02:46 | domonoky | it wasnt building for me, no operator << for a QDir.. |
| 16:03:16 | bluebrother | strange. What Qt do you use? |
| 16:03:37 | domonoky | Qt 4.3.3 |
| 16:04:22 | bluebrother | hmm, I have 4.3.3 on this box and IIRC 4.3.1 on the virtual one. Anyway, no real issue ;) |
| 16:04:56 | domonoky | yup, :-) |
| 16:05:04 | bluebrother | reboot for testing JAWS ... |
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| 16:07:05 | yavi | I'll check about the version |
| 16:07:44 | yavi | But I think it is updated, it only happends in some files not in all, maybe they got a bigger bitrate than supported? |
| 16:11:21 | markun | amiconn: found the datasheet |
| 16:12:41 | linuxstb | yavi: Rockbox shouldn't struggle with any kind of FLAC file (unless it's a high samplerate - e.g. 24-bit/96KHz), |
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| 16:13:44 | bluebrother | domonoky: just tied with jaws, the list gets spoken once you select the items |
| 16:15:27 | yavi | let me check what samplerate does it have |
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| 16:15:45 | yavi | because the ipod was hotter than normal hehe |
| 16:17:13 | bluebrother | maybe making the list items selectable (and autoselecting the last) would be sufficient |
| 16:17:35 | Tuxguy | I am McLovin |
| 16:17:37 | domonoky | we should try it.. :-) |
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| 16:18:19 | * | bluebrother goes trying |
| 16:19:01 | bluebrother | dang, jaws has some "nice" features ... like disabling font smoothing even if I didn't ask for it :/ |
| 16:20:48 | yavi | it was 853kbits |
| 16:20:54 | yavi | is it too much? |
| 16:23:08 | yavi | the rockbox version is: r16592-080309 |
| 16:23:12 | gibbon_ | nevermind me... i was being silly |
| 16:28:30 | yavi | does anyone know if it is normal to have problems with flac files at 717-853kbit avg ?¿ |
| 16:28:37 | bluebrother | domonoky: what do you think about adding a "current state" label to the progress window that simply repeats the last entry? |
| 16:29:13 | domonoky | bluebrother: if this helps for accessibility, sure.. |
| 16:29:32 | bluebrother | I think that would be a much nicer (and easier) solution |
| 16:30:31 | bluebrother | still I don't get all this accessibility stuff ... looks completely inconsistent to me |
| 16:30:40 | bluebrother | especially when comparing various screenreaders. |
| 16:31:10 | domonoky | yes, there is no real standard for accessibility.. and not much dokumentation... |
| 16:31:43 | Llorean | yavi: That's the bitrate, not the sample rate |
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| 16:33:00 | yavi | mmmm... and where can I see the sample rate? |
| 16:34:27 | linuxstb | yavi: From the "view track info" option in the WPS context menu (accessed via a long-press of SELECT in the WPS) |
| 16:35:14 | linuxstb | yavi: But that bitrate is relatively low for FLAC - my files are normally closer to 1000kbit/s. If they are rips from CD, then they should be fine, it's only higher resolution audio that _may_ cause issues. |
| 16:35:16 | yavi | is it this? 44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo |
| 16:35:34 | bluebrother | and I thought there is some kind of standard at least on windows. |
| 16:35:37 | linuxstb | Yes - those should be fine, regardless of bitrate. |
| 16:37:11 | yavi | I've never ripped flac from my cds... so to make sure they will work correctly it can be up to 1000kbit/s on an Ipod photo? and 16-bit? |
| 16:37:35 | yavi | what is causing problems are a pair of domnloaded files in flac |
| 16:38:04 | linuxstb | If you rip from CD, they will automatically be 16-bit/44.1KHz, and an ipod photo should handle them easily, regardless of bitrate. |
| 16:38:43 | yavi | so..you do not know why are there problems with the files I am saying? |
| 16:39:19 | yavi | maybe they are not working propperly due to something else I don't know |
| 16:39:59 | linuxstb | No. I only use FLAC on my ipod photo, and have never had problems. |
| 16:40:17 | yavi | aham |
| 16:40:35 | yavi | for using it with the earphones I have enough with 320kbps in mp3 |
| 16:41:02 | yavi | but when I connect it to the dock and it to the amplifier at home..I'd preffer them in flac.. |
| 16:43:01 | yavi | ah! and one more thing hehe |
| 16:44:19 | yavi | when the ipod is on the dock, I can't manage it from the remote control, is there any way to make it work? |
| 16:44:38 | linuxstb | yavi: Only if you're a programmer and can help implement it... |
| 16:45:02 | yavi | I'm affraid I'm not |
| 16:45:14 | linuxstb | Someone is working on it, but it seems he only has about 30 seconds of free time a week... |
| 16:45:34 | yavi | Ok ok |
| 16:45:42 | yavi | it was just to know if it was mande already hehe |
| 16:45:45 | yavi | made |
| 16:46:24 | yavi | I'll try to rip a cd to a flac to know where was the problem |
| 16:46:48 | yavi | because by the way I don't find much in flac on the internet |
| 16:52:48 | gibbon_ | hmm... i cant find the value for the maximum number of fm presets anywhere... how is this defined? |
| 16:53:36 | yavi | linuxstb and with *.ape could be problems when playing it? |
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| 16:54:03 | linuxstb | yavi: Definitely. Stay away from .ape on an ipod. |
| 16:54:32 | yavi | does it take too much ...resources? |
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| 16:54:51 | BigBambi | yavi: ape is very computationally expensive to decode |
| 16:55:01 | yavi | aham |
| 16:55:12 | yavi | so better if I get it on flac |
| 16:55:41 | linuxstb | Yes - FLAC is the opposite, one of the easiest codecs to decode (much simpler than MP3 for example) |
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| 16:56:23 | yavi | aham I found what I thought was flac was ripped to ape instead |
| 16:56:37 | BigBambi | that'll do it |
| 16:56:49 | yavi | thanks a lot for your answers :) |
| 16:57:00 | yavi | I'll delete all .ape files |
| 16:57:24 | linuxstb | Always a good idea... |
| 16:57:55 | yavi | do you know somewhere to download flac files? |
| 16:58:22 | yavi | 'cause on the emule and similar i don't find much |
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| 16:58:46 | linuxstb | yavi: This isn't a channel to discuss where to infringe copyrights... |
| 16:59:55 | yavi | ok ok I won't dusturb you with that |
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| 17:00:57 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I've noticed that the evaluate_conditional() function seems to be called in various places, but it has the side-effect of clearing an image, and also displaying the album art. I'm thinking that function shouldn't be doing anything on the screen. |
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| 17:04:47 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I agree it would be better, but I think I did it this way to avoid having to iterate through the tokens another time |
| 17:05:32 | linuxstb | Doesn't that mean that album-art is displayed multiple times though? (and similar for image clearing) |
| 17:06:17 | Nico_P | each is displayed everytime the WPS update reaches the corresponding tag |
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| 19:04:54 | countrymonkey | Could fs#8716 receive a commit? |
| 19:06:47 | Davide-NYC | and while that person is at it maybe FS #8269 too. :) |
| 19:07:55 | DefineByte | i won't mention fs#8715 |
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| 19:12:24 | countrymonkey | You mentioned it, haha |
| 19:12:41 | DefineByte | shh |
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| 19:20:56 | McLovin | hmm |
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| 19:21:07 | McLovin | 176x132 seems to be a tad big for an ipod nano |
| 19:21:21 | McLovin | Atleast, vlc is showing as about double an ipod nano screen |
| 19:21:43 | DefineByte | the pixels are probably bigger on your monitor :) |
| 19:22:19 | McLovin | oh, lol |
| 19:22:28 | McLovin | I am McLovin! |
| 19:23:09 | krazykit | McLovin: this is an on-topic channel. take non-rockbox chatter elsewhere |
| 19:23:41 | McLovin | I thought my question/statement was on topic for rockbox, as 176x132 is the resolution listed on the wiki |
| 19:24:12 | krazykit | i was talking about the part after that. |
| 19:24:59 | McLovin | oh |
| 19:25:24 | McLovin | xchat-aqua, macosx krazykit |
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| 20:14:31 | klevi | Ipod 4th Gen doesnt build the database |
| 20:14:39 | klevi | Any clue as to why anyone? |
| 20:14:51 | klevi | updated the build 10 minutes ago |
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| 20:26:57 | klevi | Ipod 4th Gen doesnt build the database |
| 20:27:01 | klevi | Any clue as to why anyone? |
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| 20:30:20 | gibbon_ | klevi: we could read that... |
| 20:30:36 | klevi | More joined that didnt, thats all |
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| 20:49:58 | klevi | brb |
| 20:50:35 | krazykit | klevi: you don't need to repeat your question over and over. if people read the logs they will see it. you just need to have patience is all. |
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| 20:53:41 | Transience | does anyone in here know where i can get the current rockbox source for the ZVM? i'm having a bit of troube finding it . |
| 20:54:57 | krazykit | Transience: the latest patch should be on the tracker or in the ZVM thread in the New Ports forum |
| 20:55:19 | Transience | okay thanks |
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| 20:58:56 | Transience | hm... is there a way to get this through the VMware dev environment? |
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| 20:59:53 | krazykit | of course. once you've checked out the SVN source, you can apply the patches (though i don't know what progress has been made) |
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| 21:01:43 | Transience | i've got the svn source, but i'm not sure how to download the diff into the vmware environment. is there a svn command to do this? (forgive my ignorance, i'm quite new to this) |
| 21:02:13 | krazykit | if the diff is on the tracker, just use a browser to download it |
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| 21:14:50 | klevi | krazykit: Alright, Sorry, though i repeated for those that recently joined |
| 21:15:15 | BigBambi | klevi: People come and go all the time. Those that are interested will read the logs |
| 21:15:46 | klevi | Kay' |
| 21:15:49 | klevi | =) |
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| 21:52:34 | Acb5649 | i was thinking, and i think it would be a cool idea to implement .html support, as this could lead to an easier way to make games and other things... |
| 21:53:25 | Acb5649 | any comments? |
| 21:53:44 | scorche | feel free to do so ;) |
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| 21:54:41 | scorche | html can be tough to render.. |
| 21:55:11 | scorche | especially with the variety of "standards and conventions" out there |
| 21:56:12 | Acb5649 | yes, but still it could have lots of potential in other aspects of rockbox... |
| 21:56:55 | BigBambi | how would it help games? |
| 21:57:03 | BigBambi | and what aspects? |
| 21:57:04 | * | linuxstb_ was about to ask that |
| 21:57:05 | scorche | or audio? |
| 21:57:19 | BigBambi | I can see it would be useful for viewing html files, but other than that... |
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| 21:59:13 | scorche | and even then, one would likely want to change the html files a bit to make them better for use on a portable unit |
| 21:59:50 | Acb5649 | i was leaving the other "aspects" to be decided by the reader... |
| 21:59:54 | BigBambi | Indeed, I would hate to try and view a 'standard' page on a DAP, but I can see that some might. |
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| 22:00:08 | BigBambi | Acb5649: So you mean you can't think of any |
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| 22:00:26 | BigBambi | Acb5649: And how would it help games then? |
| 22:00:36 | `Tanner | I have a 2nd gen. nano, are there any builds that work for that? |
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| 22:00:49 | linuxstb_ | `Tanner: No |
| 22:00:57 | `Tanner | alright. Thanks. :( |
| 22:01:09 | BigBambi | I was trying to reply, but it took me ages to find the ` on my keyboard |
| 22:01:44 | Acb5649 | its next to the colon |
| 22:01:52 | linuxstb_ | it's next to the 1 |
| 22:01:59 | BigBambi | Acb5649: Not on my keyboard, it is next to the 1 |
| 22:02:13 | BigBambi | And I clearly found it seeing as I typed it above |
| 22:02:23 | linuxstb_ | You could have copy/pasted... |
| 22:02:31 | BigBambi | I know... |
| 22:02:40 | BigBambi | The benefit of hindsight eh? :) |
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| 22:07:13 | bluebrother | html making game support easier? |
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| 22:14:43 | Acb5649 | yes |
| 22:16:44 | BigBambi | how? |
| 22:17:39 | Bagder | if you make each frame in the game a html page? ;-] |
| 22:18:01 | BigBambi | :P |
| 22:18:14 | scorche | Bagder: would make things a headache to bookmark ;) |
| 22:20:01 | Bagder | bookmarking in games is certainly one of the most missed features in rockbox... </sarcasm> |
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| 22:26:13 | bluebrother | Acb5649: html != flash, if you mean that ... |
| 22:26:58 | bluebrother | and javascript is another different beast. html is static. |
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| 22:31:32 | * | amiconn wonders whether Bagder noticed his proposed build additions |
| 22:31:56 | Bagder | I didn't |
| 22:32:11 | Bagder | I'm not a good log reader |
| 22:32:31 | amiconn | You could add 3 fresh builds to the table, if you think we can live with 1 or 2 warnings in those builds |
| 22:32:43 | amiconn | M3 bootloader, target & sim |
| 22:32:58 | Bagder | new builds in the table are always fun! |
| 22:33:10 | Bagder | you want the zip files made available? |
| 22:33:11 | amiconn | The target build isn't of much use atm |
| 22:33:16 | Bagder | ok |
| 22:33:30 | amiconn | No buttons apart from main & remote Play are working |
| 22:33:42 | Bagder | heh, yes that sounds a bit limiting |
| 22:34:01 | amiconn | My developer build has all buttons working, but really sluggish, and it's kind of a hack |
| 22:34:35 | amiconn | The good thing is that several things are identical and just work without further changes |
| 22:34:48 | * | amiconn already listened to the radio today |
| 22:35:06 | amiconn | pcm audio playback doesn't work yet |
| 22:35:23 | Acb5649 | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15967.msg119200#msg119200 read this! |
| 22:35:39 | amiconn | I was able to adjust the volume as well, so FM i2c and TLV320 i2c work right out of the box |
| 22:36:34 | bluebrother | Acb5649: why those annoying colors? |
| 22:36:48 | BigBambi | bluebrother: What annoying colours? :) |
| 22:36:49 | Bagder | they hurt my eyes |
| 22:36:52 | bluebrother | and why "Reply soon"? |
| 22:36:55 | Bagder | I certain't won't reply |
| 22:37:00 | bluebrother | me neither. |
| 22:37:30 | bluebrother | and gif "movies" are ... well, huge. Besides having no sound. |
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| 22:37:40 | Bagder | and crappy color |
| 22:38:08 | bluebrother | 8 bit ... only our greyscale targets display less |
| 22:38:23 | Acb5649 | i hope all thaat was sarcasam... |
| 22:38:37 | Bagder | I wasn't sarcastic |
| 22:38:45 | bluebrother | hmm, charger detection seems to not work on my mini. Might this be related to me using an USB enabled build? |
| 22:38:53 | BigBambi | Acb5649: Those are all accurate responses |
| 22:39:05 | Bagder | amiconn: M3 builds added! |
| 22:39:12 | amiconn | Nice :) |
| 22:39:18 | Bagder | now we just need a commit |
| 22:39:24 | amiconn | bluebrother: And not even much less nowadays... |
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| 22:39:48 | bluebrother | amiconn: right ;-) |
| 22:45:11 | bluebrother | hmm, looks like charger detection is missing for the mini? |
| 22:46:17 | amiconn | The power management stuff is rather incomplete for many targets |
| 22:46:30 | amiconn | It's also quite messy |
| 22:46:47 | amiconn | I will probably look into this because I'm more or less forced to |
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| 22:47:58 | bluebrother | because of m3 works? |
| 22:48:05 | bluebrother | or 1G/2G? |
| 22:48:35 | amiconn | x5, m5, m3, ipods (both 1g/2g and others) ... |
| 22:48:47 | amiconn | It's one big mess |
| 22:49:07 | bluebrother | my mini seems to set GPIOD3 on usb power |
| 22:49:39 | amiconn | USB power != charger |
| 22:49:48 | amiconn | I know the port pins |
| 22:51:47 | amiconn | w00t!! |
| 22:51:52 | * | amiconn has sound :D |
| 22:52:10 | amiconn | It was just the other i2s channel, like the other iaduios |
| 22:52:14 | amiconn | *iaudios |
| 22:52:29 | amiconn | Time for a Ladies & Gentlemen mail |
| 22:52:38 | Bagder | yay! |
| 22:52:46 | domonoky | congraz |
| 22:52:53 | Bagder | we wanna see the commit first! ;-) |
| 22:53:11 | BigBambi | amiconn: congrats :) |
| 22:54:11 | amiconn | It's a one-liner... just a sec |
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| 22:56:18 | * | bluebrother overlooked that |
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| 23:02:53 | * | bluebrother can't see anything indicating a charger on mini :( |
| 23:03:10 | Bagder | 74 builds in 289 seconds (4mins 49secs) ... |
| 23:04:14 | amiconn | Now the build table is finally too wide for my screen, even with only single-digit scores in all cells |
| 23:04:33 | amiconn | bluebrother: Charger == firewire power |
| 23:05:08 | bluebrother | amiconn: my mini doesn't set that pin if I connect the wall charger |
| 23:05:13 | amiconn | It's a GPIO; don't remember which one from the top of my head |
| 23:05:33 | * | amiconn fetches mini, fw cable & charger |
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| 23:06:05 | bluebrother | the source tells it's GPIOC2 |
| 23:06:34 | bluebrother | but I can only observe GPIOD3 changing when connecting the charger (does also when connecting to the PC) |
| 23:07:24 | amiconn | D3 is USB power, not ordinary charger power |
| 23:07:39 | amiconn | C2 is firewire power == charger power |
| 23:08:23 | amiconn | It makes sense to distinguish these, because USB power can't charge as fast as firewire/external charger |
| 23:08:35 | amiconn | As I said, powermanagement is a bit of a mess |
| 23:09:07 | amiconn | Of course USB power should also indicate charging via the charging animation, and more importantly: charge properly |
| 23:09:15 | bluebrother | hmm. I don't understand why I'm not observing charger power in that case. |
| 23:09:30 | linuxstb_ | Is your battery charged? |
| 23:09:32 | amiconn | Perhaps becasue you have an usb charger? |
| 23:09:33 | bluebrother | I'm using a standard apple wall charger. |
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| 23:09:39 | amiconn | Of course USB power should also indicate charging via the charging animation, and more importantly: charge properly |
| 23:09:44 | * | bluebrother slaps forehead |
| 23:09:44 | amiconn | sorry |
| 23:10:05 | amiconn | Atm it doesn't. I didn't measure, but my guess is that it only charges at 100mA instead of the full 500mA |
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| 23:10:24 | amiconn | Same problem exists on X5/M5 |
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| 23:10:40 | bluebrother | right ... most annoying thing right now is that the mini boots when inserting the cable, and Rockbox frequently shuts down after idle poweroff (and the Ipod starts up again ...) |
| 23:10:48 | * | amiconn atm recommends charging the iaudios in the cowon loader, and the ipods in diskmode |
| 23:10:56 | amiconn | Everything else isn't usable atm |
| 23:11:49 | amiconn | Yes. We need some target specific flags and/or functions, which handle the conditions under which the device can/ cannot be shut down, program charging currents, monitor states etc |
| 23:12:13 | amiconn | All that needs to fit in a generic framework |
| 23:12:32 | * | bluebrother used disc mode until ums got that far |
| 23:13:36 | bluebrother | Bagder: what do you think about adding a link to rbutil to the download pages (next to the manual link)? |
| 23:13:53 | amiconn | Apple provides both usb and firewire chargers. I'd go for the firewire version if possible, as the ipod charges faster with those (and they work even for the models which cannot communicate via firewire) |
| 23:13:55 | Bagder | a good idea methinks |
| 23:15:48 | amiconn | Bagder: The delta table is kinda broken... |
| 23:16:22 | Bagder | it breaks with new targets |
| 23:16:34 | amiconn | Yes, but unlike the main build table |
| 23:16:49 | Bagder | yes the main one is more cleverly written to handle that |
| 23:17:18 | * | amiconn wonders how difficult it would be to add the same cleverness to the delta table |
| 23:18:16 | Bagder | not very hard, I've just not felt compelled to do it |
| 23:18:51 | gibbon_ | i am still wondering, if theres a possibility to mute the fm tuner when the tuned station is unavailable |
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| 23:56:39 | gibbon_ | hmmm |
| 23:57:24 | gibbon_ | has someone a global call handy to read the current set volume or to set it to a specific level? |
| 23:58:25 | gibbon_ | i want to give "reduce volume on dead stations" a try |
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