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#rockbox log for 2008-03-16

00:00:53gibbon_if YOU don't know... to me you are something like the godfather of rockbox :P
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00:01:11gibbon_coding that usb stack ....
00:01:19gibbon_usb is a nasty beast...
00:01:24amiconnDon't mess with the global volume just because there's no station
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00:01:36BigBambiAnd it isn't even the day of his daughters wedding...
00:01:43amiconnIf you really want, use the mute function of the fm chip. But I'd rather not do that
00:02:43*gevaerts points out that he only started working on rockbox five weeks ago
00:03:11gibbon_amiconn: if this is the same function as the manual mute calls, its no good
00:03:56gibbon_amiconn: since the "field meter" data patch number 1803 gets stops updating in this "Muted state" at least on the sansa
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00:05:22gibbon_it seems to disable more of the chip than the term "muting" suggests
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00:06:18gibbon_amiconn: is there something in rockbox like a global "attention" function like some modern car radios have?
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00:07:36gibbon_this function reduces the volume by some ammount on keypress and restores it on manual volume change or "unattention"
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00:09:14amiconnThe voice UI reduces music volume while the voice is talking (on swcodec), but that one won't help in case of radio
00:10:55gibbon_amiconn: i thought as a quick way, save the current volume, set reduced volume until the station is back, then restore the old volume
00:11:01*amiconn wonders why the radio chip should be muted if it doesn't detect a station
00:11:12amiconnHow would you tune into a faint station then?
00:12:12amiconnOr imagine the volume jumping up & down, because signal strength is near the threshold...
00:12:17gibbon_when i move around while listening to radio, it happens a lot that i move into a dead corner ...
00:12:34gibbon_the noise then nearly kills me
00:14:01gibbon_suddenly, noise kicks in, then i mive to an area with reception and the station is back...
00:14:15gibbon_i just want to reduce volume by about 20dB while that happens
00:14:44gibbon_and limit this to the point where no signal or only a very weak is recieved...
00:15:11gibbon_so the volume will only jump a bit if the station is so weak, it can't be listened anyway
00:15:11amiconnYeah, I understand that this may happen, but I don't understand why you want to reduce the volume... the noise isn't louder than the normal audio signal at full level...
00:15:34gibbon_for the waveform, that is correct...
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00:16:03*amiconn listened to the radio on M3 today, and tuned into various station, without reducing the volume while tuning
00:16:15gibbon_from the psychoacustic side, noise is a lot louder
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00:17:03gibbon_some private stations in my area don't do agc-postprocessing and so are - in addition to that - below the optimal level...
00:19:21 Quit DC1 ("If Obi-wan ain't home then I don't know what the fsck we're gonna do. I ain't got no other connections on Tattooine.")
00:19:46*amiconn was never really annoyed by the no-station noise
00:20:40amiconnBut then I don't use the radio *that* much, and I also know that my opinion regarding certain features differs a lot from many other users
00:20:43gibbon_the other thing is that i use the player for other things than radio...
00:21:07gibbon_but also for narrow channel applications
00:22:10gibbon_the nature of FM transmissions suggests that if you youse a wide tuner to tune into a narrow channel, the output signal will have a lot less volume than it should have
00:22:49 Quit gevaerts ("too tired to find bugs")
00:23:01gibbon_because frequency defection is not as wide as the wide tuner wants it to be
00:23:36gibbon_i don't know if its the correct term... i guess not
00:26:06amiconnI know what you mean
00:26:20amiconnBut that's a pretty special usage case, isn't it?
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00:32:10gibbon_amiconn: it is :)
00:32:27gibbon_amiconn: thats why i use a firmware that i can customize for these special cases
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00:44:56gibbon_amiconn: but don't worry... i won't come crying about jumpy volume
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00:49:00amiconnRecording also works on M3 :D
00:54:03gibbon_updating signal strength with radio muted works, too :P
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01:21:48gibbon_added some defines and a few lines of code
01:21:53gibbon_lets test if it works
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01:27:20gibbon_amiconn: thanks for the help, it works great
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01:29:59GrooveStixhey people
01:30:12GrooveStixI am playing with the "database.ignore" and for some reason it's not working for me
01:30:30GrooveStix*"database.ignore" thing
01:31:04GrooveStixwould database.ignore also exclude the subfolders in a certain folder?
01:33:14linuxstbIt should do, yes.
01:34:21GrooveStixjust a moment...oh I see. I updated my database, instead of initialize, since I don't know what's the difference... so it's working now
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01:38:08GrooveStixah, that actually did it
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02:01:31ashesi'm ripping video from dvd for my iriver. i've found mpeg1 works well, and seems to use less cpu than mpeg2, and i can't see the difference. i'd like the audio to be as close to original quality as possible. i tried to not encode the audio, and copy it, but rockbox won't play the audio. so i think i have to choose between mp1/mp2/mp3
02:02:02ashesif i use mp2 with a 256 bitrate, would this be better than mp3 with a 192 bitrate?
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02:02:59ashesi don't care how well it plays on anything other than my handheld player
02:03:49ashesthe audio i'm encoding is vocal
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02:09:10linuxstbI would be surprised if you could hear a difference, but I think only your ears can tell...
02:12:05ashesif there's no difference, then i want the one that uses less cpu
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02:21:56webguest07anyone know where to get addon for pacman on sansa c250??
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02:26:16linuxstbashes: Which iriver do you have?
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03:02:07asheswhen audio and video is out of sync, but the audio never skips, what is the problem?
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03:06:30markunashes: is the video play sync on your PC?
03:06:42*markun shouldn't drink and type
03:08:16ashesseems to be okay on pc
03:09:53markunand do you have frameskip and fps limit both on?
03:10:38ashesi dunno about frameskip
03:10:48ashesthe fps is set too high
03:11:08ashesits set to 25, and it's being encoded at about 10
03:11:22markunI mean in the mpegplayer plugin
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03:11:53ashesyes. both set
03:12:02markunok, then I really don't know
03:12:06markunbut I need some sleep now
03:12:57markunmaybe someone else in your timezone can help. Otherwise you can ask again when the sun is up over europe.
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03:23:53ashesi have a 90 minute trip to the saint patrick's day parade. i need to encode some video entertainment
03:35:29countrymonkeyWhat's wrong, again?
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03:35:55syn4psewhere's the parade?
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03:36:34countrymonkeybig fat off topic
03:36:46syn4psepluginlib_actions: will that give a satisfactory PLA_LEFT for the iriver h10 5gb
03:36:57syn4pseheheh... well it's only 3/17 once a yr.
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03:38:03countrymonkeyWhat does yr mean?
03:38:31krazykitsyn4pse: please review the IrcGuidelines, as they ask you to use full words, that is, year instead of "yr"
03:38:49syn4pseokay, man. sorry. it's saturday night
03:39:09countrymonkeyI understand; it is here too.
03:41:36syn4pseanyway... so i have a flyspray for my game plugin, and she's finally working on the sims on all suggested platforms. i have to post the new diff. do i just add a comment with attachments? excuse my ignorance, i am used to being the only coder for clients and i'm green on svn
03:42:36krazykitsyn4pse: right, just add a comment with the updated diff
03:43:10countrymonkeyIt is called a task not a flyspray
03:45:48syn4psecountrymonkey: thanks. like i said, i'm green.
03:46:03countrymonkeyYou're what?
03:46:19syn4psegreen. new to this. why so hostile.
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03:46:57syn4pseanyway, never mind.
03:48:23countrymonkeysory. I have never heard that.
03:48:51syn4pseno problem. :D
03:49:34syn4psei am too full of cliche. that's what an english teacher once told me.
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03:51:58countrymonkeyWhat is it, rocnia?
03:52:28rocniawoot ?
03:52:56countrymonkeyAre you wooting about sound on m3?
03:53:25 Nick JdGordon|afk is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon)
03:54:17rocniaoh :))
03:54:18rocniaRockbox is an open source firmware for mp3 players, written from scratch. It runs on a wide range of players
03:54:23rocniai didn't know
03:54:38pikhq... Then why did you just join this channel?
03:54:58countrymonkeypikhq has a point
03:55:04krazykitrocnia: please read the IrcGuidelines linked in the topic :)
03:55:13rocniai was browsing the channel list, i thought it was interesting :))
03:55:28rocniai might leave now
03:55:46rocniai mean, i thought it was about something else
03:56:02krazykitrocnia: this is an on-topic channel. please take non-rockbox chatter elsewhere
03:56:18countrymonkeyoh... Rockbox is a great product. From 40 languages to customizable themes to great sound settingws to supporting about 30 daps, it can't be beat.
03:56:35rocnianice !
03:57:20pikhqrocnia: If you want to use Rockbox, though, might I recommend reading up at www.rockbox.rog?
03:57:31rocniatoo bad my iriver s10 won't have this installed :)
03:57:32countrymonkeyHave we ourselves new rockbox users? *hint hint*
03:59:00countrymonkeywhat is www.rockbox.rog?
03:59:15scorche|sha typo...
03:59:59syn4pserockbox is the coolest. everybody's doing it.
04:00:20countrymonkeyWe should have a rockbox theme song since it is for daps. I volenteer to write lyrics.
04:00:31syn4psei'll help.
04:00:42pikhqI volunteer to sing, so long as it's written for a bass.
04:00:54rocniait can be installed only on the devices presented on the site no ?
04:01:08pikhqAlthough it could be ported to more.
04:01:20syn4psei'll do a blistering guitar solo that will make steven jobs head explode.
04:01:28countrymonkeyI cannot sing to save my life. I'll do lyrics, and somebody else do pitches, notes, rhythems and the actual singing.
04:01:45syn4psei'll even add apostrophes
04:02:26rocniaok guys good luck with rockbox :)
04:02:41syn4pserock on, rocnia!
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04:03:21countrymonkeyWhat tune for the theme song?
04:03:40syn4psei was thinking of the andy griffith theme.
04:03:46krazykitcountrymonkey: that's really not on-topic. same to you syn4pse
04:04:24countrymonkeyI had an idea of "God Bless America" (from the server, to the client, to the player, and beyond... God bless the rockbox build...)
04:05:01countrymonkeyyou're right, of cource
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04:08:11countrymonkeyWhat is it, topbloke?
04:08:49topblokehas the battery life of 5.5G ipods improved on rockbox at all?
04:08:54countrymonkeyDo you have a question?
04:09:02topblokeyes I do
04:09:14countrymonkeysory. those 2 messages came in the exact same time.
04:10:22krazykittopbloke: improved since when? there was a fairly large improvement a number of months ago
04:10:23countrymonkeyI would assume so if you mean after the commit of 8379
04:10:41countrymonkeyI mean since before
04:11:14krazykittopbloke: major changes to rockbox (that would be one of them) can be found on the MajorChanges wiki page.
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04:12:04countrymonkeyWhat is it, webguest83?
04:12:15scorche|shkrazykit: much sooner than that
04:12:27webguest83how long does the menu on ur ipod stay there for
04:12:40webguest83mine stays there for 1-2 mins
04:12:45scorche|shcountrymonkey: please dont say that for every single person that comes just gets annoying
04:12:46webguest83is this normal?
04:12:48JdGordoncountrymonkey: if you keep being stupid and asking everyone who joins what they want you will bi kicked
04:12:56countrymonkeyDepends on how lond idle power off has beem set for
04:13:04scorche|shwebguest83: eh?...not sure what you mean
04:13:21topblokemy rockbox.ipod is from March 1 2007
04:13:21countrymonkeySorry, I cannot type today
04:13:29webguest83when i power on the rockbox screen comes on and stays there
04:13:42webguest83after 1-2 minutes it finally goes to the menu
04:13:42countrymonkeyThan topbloke it has.
04:14:03countrymonkeyoh, that's what you mean. What font are you using?
04:14:16topblokewould you be able to say by how much
04:14:35topblokeim gonna give rockbox another try it has been a year
04:14:46topblokeoh btw
04:14:54scorche|shtopbloke: that depends on the state of your would be best off just trying it yourself
04:14:54countrymonkeyYou are just using english, webguest83?
04:15:12topblokeI have a custom apple firmware with graphics on it, can I use that and rockbox at the same time?
04:15:31countrymonkeyOkay. So font cacheing isn't the problem. (I remember using chinese-trad.lang)
04:15:33scorche|shtopbloke: rockbox is dual boot
04:15:50topblokebut didn't it overwrite the apple firmware too
04:16:07topblokewith its own copy of it
04:16:14scorche|shtopbloke: make sure to test both the rockbox firmware and the original firmware, as some people are surprised how long they last when they actually time them
04:16:34topblokewell last year I felt a big difference without timing them
04:16:47scorche|shlast year there was
04:16:48countrymonkeyHow large is the .voice file if you use one, webguest83?
04:16:57topblokewilll give it a shot
04:17:03webguest83i dont use anyvoice file
04:17:05webguest83that i know of
04:17:06topblokeso it won't touch my apple firmware?
04:17:22countrymonkeySo the menus don't speak?
04:17:36scorche|shwebguest83: try and reset the settings upon boot
04:17:43scorche|shtopbloke: nope
04:18:05webguest83how do i do that
04:18:15countrymonkeyThe original firmware is stored in a 1 mb flash rom unaffected by the rb bootloader.
04:18:32topblokecause you know
04:18:38countrymonkeyAt the bootloader text screen, flick hold to on.
04:18:49topblokeI actually wrote a custom firmware using the rockbox tool
04:19:02topbloketo my ipod
04:19:17countrymonkeyCool, how is it better than rb?
04:19:35topblokeno it sucks its just apple with new graphics
04:19:42webguest83countrymonkey: that didnt work
04:19:50webguest83a little text box cam up saying cleard
04:20:06countrymonkeyConnect it to the computer and delete config.cfg in the .rockbox folder
04:21:07syn4pseto do a diff with my source code, since i didn't do it right the first time, i svn add apps/plugins/amaze.c? then svn diff > out.diff?
04:21:16countrymonkeyCan you hear the hdd working when you press the menu button?
04:21:53countrymonkeyWhen and when not? Random?
04:22:19webguest83i just deleted the cfg file
04:22:22webguest83ill try again
04:22:44countrymonkeyupdate your rockbox
04:23:05webguest83i gto it like 3 days ago
04:23:44countrymonkeyWhen did this problem start?
04:23:59webguest83as soon as i got it
04:24:21countrymonkeythe build or the player
04:24:47countrymonkeydowngrade your rockbox
04:25:05countrymonkeyold daily build
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04:25:57webguest83whers that
04:26:04webguest83i can get the current build
04:26:32topblokeI tried to install the ipodpatcher thing
04:26:37topblokeI press I to install
04:26:37countrymonkeyfind the link that sais old under your player
04:26:43topblokeit just says press enter to exit
04:26:51countrymonkeywhat what what, topbloke?
04:27:08topblokeI ran ipodpatcher
04:27:19topblokeit found an ipod
04:27:21topblokeI press I
04:27:27topblokeand it says press enter to exit
04:27:42webguest83how old should i go country?
04:27:50countrymonkeyDid it install successfully?
04:28:22countrymonkeyThe 13th of march
04:28:49countrymonkeyIf that's the day you updated.
04:29:32countrymonkeyWhat does bollocks mean?
04:29:50topblokeno good
04:30:01countrymonkeyin what language?
04:30:23countrymonkeywhatever that is...
04:30:44syn4pseshould i .zip my .diff?
04:31:10topblokeargh its not installing
04:31:13syn4psejust .zip the bitmaps, right?
04:31:27countrymonkeysí yes
04:31:48countrymonkeyWhat's jawol?
04:31:59topblokedon't you know any lanugages
04:32:19topblokeit won't install
04:32:21countrymonkeyI know english, chinese, japanesde and I'm learning spanish.
04:32:44scorche|shtopbloke: give rbutil a try
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04:32:56webguest83countrythat didnt work
04:33:04webguest83its still really slow
04:33:23scorche|shwebguest83: that is really odd...could you try re-installing the bootloader again?
04:33:45scorche|shwebguest83: as well, what operating system are you running?
04:33:56scorche|shwebguest83: the instructions are in the manual
04:34:18webguest83k thanks
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04:37:06topblokerbutil seems to have worked
04:38:55webguest83ok i reinstalled the bootlaoder
04:39:01webguest83now try again?
04:40:02topblokewow it got recognized as a rockbox media player
04:40:33countrymonkeyYou must boot up into the apple os to transfer files.
04:40:51scorche|shtopbloke: yes...that is the beginnings of our USB support...not fully functional yet though
04:40:56webguest83that did nothing
04:40:56topblokepretty snazzy
04:41:00scorche|shcountrymonkey: or disk mode...
04:41:01webguest83its still slow
04:41:12scorche|shwebguest83: what operating system do you run on your computer?
04:41:17countrymonkeyCannot you enable a certain #define and get ums support?
04:41:19webguest83what u mean>
04:41:32scorche|shwindows, mac, linux, etc
04:41:38webguest83windows xp
04:42:05countrymonkeyWhat sort of ipod, webguest83?
04:42:38webguest83video 30gig 5g
04:42:51syn4pseFS #8647 (my 3d maze game plugin) is up if anyone wants to check it out.
04:43:03scorche|shwebguest83: plug your ipod in (make sure it is in disk mode so your computer can see it), right click it in My Computer, Properties > Tools > Check Now > check both boxes and start
04:43:11topblokewow rockbox looks sweet now
04:44:14webguest83how long is it normal for an ipodto restart?
04:44:27webguest83cause mines pretty slow at that 2
04:44:42syn4psewebguest83: my ipod video reboots rockbox in probably 15 seconds?
04:44:51syn4psemaybe quicker
04:44:57countrymonkey10 for me
04:45:42webguest83ok ive gone to tools and it has back up error checking and defragmentation
04:45:47countrymonkeyIs it possible that plugins will be localized/voiced?
04:46:07scorche|shwebguest83: as i said, hit check now, check both boxes, and start it
04:46:13countrymonkeyDo both error checking and defrag
04:47:50topblokeI need a snazzy theme now
04:48:15scorche|shthen go get one...
04:48:18syn4psei like that phktape. it kills me.
04:48:30topblokedo themes from last year still work
04:48:32countrymonkeyor make one
04:48:52scorche|shtopbloke: that depends...some are broken, some have been updated...try them and see...
04:48:56topblokeok thanks
04:48:58topblokewill do
04:51:37syn4psewhat is the etiquette for promoting a patch?
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04:52:24countrymonkeyGet prospectors here. But they will rip you apart if you don't wait at least a week (trust me, that was me before).
04:53:11scorche|shi wouldnt say "rip you apart"...
04:53:31countrymonkeythat was a bit exagerated
04:54:14scorche|shsyn4pse: everyone who subscribes get a mail on changes...meaning that they will get a mail when a patch is come in here right after can be a but useless as we already get a mail about it
04:55:00countrymonkeyI thought the mail came in every friday
04:55:23topblokeusb support in rockbox works fine
04:55:34syn4psethanks scorche|sh and countrymonkey
04:55:35countrymonkeytransfers too?
04:55:40topblokeyeah everything
04:56:06topblokemaybe its just me
04:56:13topblokeI think it always worked for me
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04:56:37topblokeand wow it boots fast now
04:56:49syn4psei'm going to have an off-topic beer. to all a good night (GMT-4)
04:57:01scorche|shtopbloke: dont confuse disk mode and rockbox ;)
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04:57:14topblokeits that white screen
04:57:14countrymonkeyGo to sleep. It's midnight!
04:57:20topblokeapple I guess
04:57:28topblokedo not disconnect
04:57:35scorche|shthat would be disk mode
04:57:40countrymonkeyhat's apple
04:57:50topblokeright riht
04:57:57topblokebut rockbox shows a usb plug
04:58:09countrymonkeyWhat does the rb usb screen look like? I'm blind.
04:58:22topblokeit's a white USB plug
04:58:33topblokeand THEN it goes to the disk mode one
04:59:25topblokebest feature of rockbox
04:59:34topblokeis the sloooooooow fade on the backlight
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05:00:13lostconfusedhey anyone around to give me a few tips?
05:00:24countrymonkeyyes about what?
05:00:32scorche122 people in here...
05:00:57lostconfusedmaybe all afk =o i keep getting ipod not found when im trying to install rockbox
05:01:04countrymonkeySo that's what that number means?
05:01:18scorcheand how are you trying to install it?
05:01:20countrymonkeyThe number on the top line of that web aplit provided by
05:01:26topbloke100000 ms fadeout
05:01:29lostconfusedtried manual and auto
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05:01:39scorchelostconfused: which device do you have?
05:01:45countrymonkeyIs rbutil auto?
05:01:52lostconfusedipod nano
05:01:59scorchelostconfused: which generation
05:02:14scorcheare you sure?
05:02:25*topbloke plays with fade in and out some more
05:02:36lostconfusedsilver backed so that means 1st gen?
05:02:36countrymonkeyIf it is aluminum + plastic it is 1st
05:02:55lostconfusedso its 1st
05:02:57webguest83my computer is only halfway thropugh error checking!!!!
05:03:00countrymonkeyor is it the other way around
05:03:19scorchelostconfused: is itunes running?
05:03:23scorchewebguest83: be patient..
05:03:33lostconfusednope itunes isent even installed atm
05:04:02countrymonkey\What is atm?
05:04:04scorcheand does it appear in windows explorer? (assuming you are using windows)
05:04:15pikhqcountrymonkey: "At The Moment".
05:04:15webguest83at the moment
05:04:18countrymonkey the finder in mac?
05:04:40topblokerockbox should have brightness dependent on time of day!
05:04:48lostconfusedi got a gigabeat with rockbox installed on it (atm at the moment) yes scorche i can copy files on to it and everything
05:04:56countrymonkeywrite a patch...
05:05:35topblokeduring the daytime it should be bright
05:05:38topblokebut dim at night
05:05:42countrymonkeyWhat is see?
05:05:43*topbloke writes a patch
05:05:56scorchelostconfused: very odd...and you said both rbutil and ipodpatcher say that it cannot find it?
05:06:03topblokerockbox is still written in SEE
05:06:31topblokeok get ready for a topbloke patch
05:06:34lostconfusedyes maybe silver backed is 2nd gen? or theres new ones out now which are silver backed also now?
05:06:57scorchelostconfused: there are others out, but they are all aluminium
05:07:06countrymonkeyScorche: What do you mean by C?
05:07:12scorcheas in no plastic piece covering the front
05:07:27scorchecountrymonkey: rockbox is written in C...
05:08:00countrymonkeyI know.
05:08:22lostconfusedna this is plastic on the front and silver backked hmm very strange
05:08:50countrymonkeyWhen did you get it?
05:09:03webguest83lost:go to and go to the link what ipod do i have?
05:09:32lostconfusedthey bought it yesterday
05:09:58countrymonkeyIt isn't nano1, that's for sure if you bought it from apple
05:10:51lostconfusedfound what it looks like on google
05:11:03scorchethat is a 3rd generation
05:11:27countrymonkeyno rockboxability can be performed on this dap
05:11:34lostconfusedbah damn
05:11:42topblokeno rockboxability?
05:12:00webguest83is that a word?
05:12:40countrymonkeyIthink, " If they understand you, it is a valid word."
05:13:06topblokelet me google that
05:14:11countrymonkeyThis is my personal thoughts. ©2008 by countrymonkey, all rights reserved. No reproduction or distribution ...
05:14:13topblokeget this
05:14:23topblokerockbox now boots faster than the apple firmware boots
05:14:33topblokecause I got all the ipod games installed it takes forever to boot it
05:14:36countrymonkeyI agree
05:15:18lostconfusedbeen awhile since i checked uppdates on rockbox gigabeat able to ff rw movies yet?
05:15:19topblokenow the ipod sleeps or something right
05:15:25countrymonkeyI can only think of 2 good thins about the apple firmware making it better than rb, the fact the games are translated and the batery life.
05:15:40scorchelostconfused: you might want to have a look at the MajorChanges wiki page
05:15:43topblokeyeah battery life kept me away from rb
05:16:01countrymonkeytopbloke: Are you still working on that patch?
05:16:15topblokeyeah I think so
05:16:19topblokebut I just thought it up
05:17:39countrymonkeyOh... I thought you were writing it. Speaking of patches, 8716 8720 and 8722 need commiting
05:17:50topblokeI just got rockbox now
05:17:54topblokeone step at a time
05:18:31countrymonkeyI like the idea, though. You know C?
05:18:40topblokeyeah a bit
05:18:54topblokedo you
05:19:29countrymonkeyno. You could always file a feature request if you don't feel up to writing a patch
05:20:34webguest83how many phases are there in error checking??/
05:20:42webguest83im up to phase 2
05:21:03countrymonkey6 I think or was that something else
05:21:29scorchewebguest83: just be patient and wait...
05:22:50webguest83what are some good game plugins that dont come as default???
05:23:04countrymonkey8183 but that is out of sync
05:23:10countrymonkeywish I could try it
05:24:52countrymonkeyI wish we could find sound files and voices for that thing so it would be like real deal or no deal.
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05:25:18webguest83disk check complete
05:25:48webguest83and it didnt say there were any errors
05:26:57webguest83now what do i do?
05:27:21scorchetry defragging it
05:27:36webguest83will that do any damage?
05:28:34webguest83analyze or defragment?
05:32:21*countrymonkey wishes to stay on irc until it stops haleing in CA
05:35:35webguest83how long does your rockbox take to start up after the yellow thing pops up
05:36:11webguest83do u have to press any buttons
05:37:34webguest83would it maybe be because of iboy???
05:37:54scorcherockbox doesnt have iboy and if you mean rockboy, no
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05:42:14webguest83do u have to switch to normal ipod b4 plugging into computer or doesnt it really matter
05:42:44scorcheif you plug it in while in rockbox, it should reboot to disk mode
05:42:57countrymonkey,It matters. You do. And you should actually type before not just b4.
05:43:11scorcheno, you dont
05:43:26countrymonkeyI thought after this new usb stack...
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05:44:01scorcheyou can still boot into disk mode...not the whole apple firmware
05:44:20countrymonkeyyou are right.
05:44:47countrymonkeyBut why you would do that is beyond me. Apple firmware is faster at sending/receiving data
05:45:57webguest83any mnore ideas on whats wrong with rockbox/my ipod
05:46:09scorchehave you defragged it?
05:46:21webguest83it kept on freezing
05:49:41webguest83so anymore ideas
05:49:50scorcheis that a no?
05:50:55scorchetry it again and wait for it to see if it eventually goes on
05:51:35webguest83it always eventually goes on but it takes ages to
05:52:04scorchethen be patient...
05:52:42webguest83but why isnt it quick like everyone elses
05:53:02scorchei am referring to defragmenting your ipod
05:53:03webguest83could itbe becasue of all the stuff ik have on it
05:53:20webguest83i have 25gb of stuff on it
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05:53:55webguest83ill defag again
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05:56:28countrymonkeyI think I better go; I am getting a case of the sleepy foot.
05:56:28webguest83what does defragging acctually do?
05:57:01countrymonkeyIt moves everything into contiguous blocks. The rest can explain it more thoroughly; I really need to go.
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12:34:39gibbon_i don't know how i did, but i implemented my "fm auto mute very weak stations" to be switchable
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12:37:25JdGordonhey Bagder
12:37:50*Bagder stands up straight
12:38:01Bagderhey ho!
12:38:34JdGordonI got the script from the wiki which should fix the macs problems..
12:38:38JdGordonif you wana try it again
12:39:10Bagderre-added now
12:39:36JdGordonfeel like forcing a build to make sure?
12:39:41JdGordonincase it still needs fixing
12:40:02SSnakegood morning
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12:41:42SSnakethe dsp_xxxx plugin calls are relatively wiki on them...
12:43:28SSnakedoes dsp_submit(...) call emit any sound? Is it only used to prepare data to be sent via pcm_play_data( ) ?
12:46:11LearWhat dsp_submit? I can't see it in plugin.h...
12:46:27*linuxstb can't see it anywhere...
12:47:01SSnakereally sorry i meant dsp_process()
12:47:28linuxstbCheck apps/dsp.c - the functions are implemented (and commented) there.
12:48:07BagderJdGordon: no cookie for you
12:48:48markunBagder, linuxstb: do you guys know something about LCD driver IC's?
12:48:49SSnakeyes i read it.... it says nobody about aoudio i guess it's just needed to convert data to a raw pcm compatible format to be sent via pcm_play_data, am i right?
12:48:55JdGordonwhy does osx suck? :'(
12:49:04JdGordoni did a sdl build test before fine
12:49:05BagderJdGordon: because apple did it?
12:49:33markunI wonder why during some of the LCD inits the same registers get written to multiple times
12:50:27markunand if you guys can recognize the 2nd LCD driver IC in the last post:
12:51:27LearSSnake: dsp_process just processes data from one buffer to another, it doesn't actually play it. See how it is used in playback.c.
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12:52:03linuxstbmarkun: Sorry, I can't help there.
12:52:09LearIt handles format conversion and various processing (such as EQ, reqplaygain...).
12:52:35Bagdermarkun: amiconn could be the man to talk to, he's done a lot of lcd driver/controller work
12:52:51markunok, I will
12:53:12markunI'm happy that now at least we know the LCD driver IC and I have found the datasheet
12:54:36markunbut the biggest problem is still the undocumented S5L8700
12:54:39JdGordonBagder: well sdl-config is definatly in the path... I've manually added it to also so hopefully....
12:55:09Bagderok, another build coming up
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12:58:54Bagderhappening tomorrow: "List of accepted mentoring organizations published " (gsoc)
13:00:00JdGordonworking on the assumtptoin we got accepted... has anyone done anything about the little "test" for students?
13:00:33BagderI've actually started to gather a few questions to ask every student
13:00:46Bagdermore for an interview style rather than a test
13:00:59BigBambi1) What is Rockbox
13:01:26Bagder1. How many hours per week do you have planned/scheduled for your gsoc work,
13:01:27Bagder should it get accepted?
13:01:33Bagder2. Have you built Rockbox before?
13:01:38Bagder3. What C coding experience?
13:01:43Bagder4. What open source experience?
13:01:47Bagder5. What's your previous involvement been in this project?
13:02:31Bagderand based on how and what they answer, we should get a better picture of each student's intension and abilities
13:03:18markunBagder: maybe ask them if they own a DAP
13:03:27Bagdergood idea
13:03:31markunwhich my student didn't when he started
13:04:13*JdGordon running the build all script to kick ccache on that comp
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13:07:30SSnakeas a student i say: yes i think it's better to ask all that.
13:08:44linuxstbBagder: What about making 3) more general? - i.e. "What programming experience do you have, and in which languages?". And maybe 1) also needs to ask how many weeks of the SoC time (whatever the start and end dates are) the student intends to work? Or maybe put that another way - e.g. "Are there any weeks of the SoC time you will be unavailable to work?"
13:09:51SSnakeeven if about the 1. it could be not so needed: maybe the student has just some freetime periods...
13:10:11linuxstbIt's meant to be a full-time summer job (IIUC).
13:10:42linuxstbOr at least, a significant portion of time during that period.
13:11:23SSnakeif for example the student has a 1 week completely free and works 24h/day the next week it's quite the same
13:11:34Bagdergsoc is basically 12 weeks afair
13:13:30linuxstbSSnake: IMO, if the student has significant other commitments, there's a serious risk of him/her not being able to spend enough time on Rockbox, and we would want to know that in advance.
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13:20:05SSnakemmmm...i can understand your point... but maybe the student can divide his time as better as he can and accomplish all the things he has to do. I think you cannot make assumption without knowing the real skills of your student.... It's only a supposition.
13:21:20linuxstbSSnake: I didn't say such students should be rejected, just that they should tell us about their other commitments in advance.
13:23:53SSnakeof course, but why you'd ask it? i think you'd ask to consider if he has enough time to spend... SO what if he has not enough time? I think you'll reject him. If you don't plan to reject him why ask that?
13:24:01BigBambiIsn't GSOC meant to be like a full time job for the student for the duration?
13:26:26BigBambiSSnake: So the people concerned here can make a judgement if those other commitments are too much or not?
13:28:54linuxstbAnyone have an opinion on whether WPS lines that only contain images should count as text line (and hence cause that line to be cleared when images are updated) ? That's how the WPS currently behaves, but IMO it's not nice
13:29:51BagderSSnake: because obviously lots of students take on stuff when they haven't planned enough time for the gsoc project and we rather pick people who plan to devote more than those planning to devote little time
13:30:15*Bagder runs off
13:33:31pixelmalinuxstb: I agree that it's not nice (and read a few threads in the forums of people wondering about cleared lines across their album art for example). The only workaround for this ATM is to put the image in a conditional so that they are updated more often, which is not nice too.
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13:35:09SSnakeso you come to what i wrote before: how can you judge without knowing the real skills of your student? I think a good skill student (of course i'm not talking about me) can better serve the Rockbox project compared to one who has a lot of time to spend and not enough skills ( and i mean also other skill like good problem solving etc..). But it's only my opinion, the opinion of a student. So take it with a grain of salt.
13:35:47markunSSnake: how can you quickly find out someone's real skills?
13:36:15linuxstbSSnake: If a student says they won't have much time to spend on Rockbox, then they will need to convince us that they can still get the project done in that time. Similarly, students without other commitments will still need to demonstrate skill (just less skill, as they are devoting more time)
13:38:01markunSSnake: my student from last year didn't complete GSoC last year, and the fact that he had very little time to work on it was a big factor in that I think.
13:38:12linuxstbpixelma: I'm thinking of changing that behaviour as part of my viewports patch, but obviously the downside is that it will break backwards-compatibility.
13:38:40*domonoky wants to see some coding test for the applying gsoc students :-) has "list your opensource contributions or complete qualification test"
13:38:52linuxstbdomonoky: I think we all do - we just need ideas for tests...
13:39:27BigBambirewrite playback.c ?
13:40:13pixelmalinuxstb: why would it break backwards-compatibility? just wondering if I'm missing something, or maybe even talk about something else...
13:41:04linuxstbpixelma: Because a line that never generates any text will not be counted as a line - so all later lines will be moved up.
13:41:36pixelmahmm, I see
13:43:05BigBambiIMO I think it better to fix it properly at the cost of some breakages - otherwise we wander on with workarounds etc for for the future, and it is at least an easy fix for a broken theme - just insert a line. But then I'm not a theme author.
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13:44:05pixelmanot sure if it's that important because these WPSs won't be completely broken, just don't look right - and can be easily fixed
13:44:21BigBambiMy thoughts too
13:45:58pixelmait would be an easier fix than finding unclosed conditionals etc. or unescaped | which is a problem for still quite a lot WPSs in the wiki (IIRC)
13:46:43SSnake@markun: no, there's no quick way. You should see in time. I'm only questioning about "choosing students on their free time". Maybe your student's work is really a good one (even if incomplete) and it will be a great starting point from who will follow him. Isn't Open Source about that? Take what others made and try to improve..
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13:47:20SSnake*from = for
13:47:45BigBambiSSnake: Free time isn't the only criteria, it is just a relativly important one to take into account along with everything else
13:48:07BigBambiSSnake: And in this case thy are being paid - they have to earn that
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13:48:52SSnakeas i told before... it's just about point of views. I have a different one, that's all.
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13:49:24linuxstbSSnake: So are you saying that the amount of time the student plans to devote to Rockbox is completely irrelevant?
13:50:42bluebrotherthe students have limited time, so it won't work if they have the time afterwards only ...
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13:52:06pixelmalinuxstb: besides, usually I append the "only image conditional" lines in my WPS to the end anyways, so don't use them for the layout, hence wouldn't be affected. Not sure if it's a common practice but I guess I'm not the only one.
13:53:33linuxstbYes, so I won't worry too much about breaking themes this way...
13:55:45SSnakeyes, because a) if the students says for example i have 1 month maybe he will have 2 (or vice versa) (nobody knows future). b) maybe in just only 1 week the student will create some really gode code, later used by someone else who really needed it.
13:55:54SSnakei'd propose something like:
13:57:54SSnakechoose the most relevant projects. Start them and see: if the students can't create something good in a reasonable period (1 month for example) stop the project and moneys. Else continue giving money.
13:58:16linuxstbSSnake: But then it's too late - we lose that project...
13:59:09linuxstbWe want to try and decide in advance the students most likely to succeed. And I disagree if you think time available is irrelevant.
13:59:10domonokySSnake: google give the money, we have to choose the student beforehand, we cant change the project or student while gsoc is running..
13:59:39SSnakeyou don0't know. You are making assumptions again: maybe it will be a really good starting point for someone else. It's something the glass half empty or half full
13:59:58SSnake*something= something like
14:00:39BigBambiBut they have to do enough to justify the money
14:01:08BigBambiA good start is great in general, but when you are being paid, you have to produce enough to justify that money
14:01:38BigBambiAnd if a student does not have enough time to commit to it, they should not be applying for what is, essentially, a job
14:02:16SSnakeof course, that's why i wrote to eventually stop if (for example every month) you don't proceed significately
14:02:29BigBambiAfter one month it is too late...
14:02:42BigBambiWe need to know before
14:02:42*gevaerts agrees. GSoC is a summer job, with some extra constraints (only IT students
14:02:49bluebrotherbut exactly this (stop) will happen if you know in advance that the student won't have enough time
14:03:09bluebrotherand playing like this is for sure something google won't like
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14:03:12gevaertsneed apply, ...). It's not a spare time volunteer thing
14:03:17BigBambiIf they have not got the 12 weeks free, they should not apply. I wouldn't apply for a job I wasn't sure I could turn up to
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14:12:42SSnakewhen you look for a job usually you give your CV, your recruiter says: hhmmm ok your CV is good, tomorrow you'll start (eventually a practice period). THEN if you don't work you are fired. I think nobody (in IT related works) asks you first: how much time do you plan to work fo the entire project? Usually in IT works you're supposed to accomplish your tasks in a timeframe. If you don't then you're fired.
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14:14:05domonokySSnake: we cant just fire the student and get a new one... if the student doesnt do the job, we loose the google finance for the students project...
14:14:30BigBambiIn your example you are expected to come in and work every day
14:14:43SSnakesorry for me being so "ostinate". That was my last sentence. Hope i've not offended anyone.
14:14:45BigBambiWe are asking for the equivalent for the GSoC student
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14:15:10BigBambiYou cannot apply for a job but say I may not be able to do this job very much in the next three months
14:15:19gevaertsThere are usually also some other questions to see if the candidate fits the position, so the recruiter can see if the candidate is serious. I think asking if they will have time is part of that.
14:16:21BigBambiSSnake: And it is obstinate :)
14:16:21SSnakebut you ask to the studend. That's ok. The recruiter doesn't make any assumption in that case.
14:16:32BigBambiThat is what we are saying
14:16:43SSnakesorry i didn't check the eng word :P
14:17:18BigBambiNobody was saying we guess how much time they are likely to spend
14:17:25SSnakesorry for all my grammar mistakes i'm italian :P I don't remember all the eng words
14:17:35BigBambiSSnake: It isn't a problem :)
14:18:31*gevaerts thinks that people who apologise for their bad english usually have better spelling and grammar than half of the native speakers
14:19:06SSnakeok guys now i think it's better to stop all this and come back coding :P
14:19:20BigBambigevaerts: Very true
14:19:24*domonoky thinks we should delay the gsoc discussion till tomorrow, then we know if rockbox is accepted.. :-)
14:19:33BigBambidomonoky: A good point :)
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14:23:02bluebrotherok, anyone has an idea how to map something like \\.\PhysicalDrive0 to a list of attached drive letters on windows?
14:23:19*bluebrother wants to improve mountpoint resolving on windows in rbutil
14:23:32*linuxstb just hopes (assuming we're accepted) that we get some good students, with good project ideas...
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14:36:17soappixelma, thank you for the correction in the forums regarding the H10 and CF.
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14:42:15pixelmasoap: welcome :)
14:45:04linuxstbashes: That was yesterday (or two days ago, depending on timezone)...
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14:48:10soapyesterday was the ides, tomorrow is St. Patrick's day.
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14:48:37linuxstbThe Catholic Church changed it this year...
14:49:19gibbon_wow... to some extend i seem to have understood the rockbox menu macro system
14:49:37gibbon_at least i got some menu entry doing something i was wanting it to
14:49:37BigBambiIt gets changed when it falls during a holy week, such as this year. It'll be back to 17 March again until 2060 now
14:51:24*amiconn just experienced a viewport related wps bug
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14:51:49linuxstbamiconn: Please share...
14:52:12amiconnI'm just using the plain old rockbox_default wps, and Nimbus-12 as my user font
14:52:33amiconnThen I entered the debug menu (various screens which use the sysfont)
14:52:49amiconnAfter returning to the wps, it appeared with the sysfont
14:53:18amiconnThe progressbar still was where it would be with the Nimbus-12 font height
14:54:00amiconnI guess this is because the wps just uses the default viewport, and doesn't expect other parts of the code to mess with this viewport's settings
14:54:25linuxstbThat's how it's always been though - other parts messing with the default font.
14:54:38amiconnNot before viewports
14:54:54linuxstbDo you mean viewports-in-lists, or the lcd driver changes?
14:55:11amiconnThe lcd driver changes
14:55:53amiconnI've never seen the wps switching to sysfont this way before viewports, e.g. when using the audio debug screen or similar
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14:57:02linuxstbWas it the debug screens' responsibility to restore the UI font?
14:57:33amiconnIt might be an effect of viewported lists though
14:57:45kugelamiconn: This issue?
14:57:48linuxstbThen I can't see how anything in the LCD driver could have changed this. The viewports-in-lists seem a more likely candidate...
14:58:21amiconnBefore viewports, there was just one font setting, so the list (i.e. debug menu) used to restore the user font when exiting a screen that uses sysfont
14:58:40linuxstbAnd with viewports (in the lcd driver), there is still only one font setting - the font in the default viewport.
14:58:53amiconnBut now the list doesn't restore the font setting in the default viewport anymore, bcause it doesn't need to
14:59:22amiconnEach viewport has its own font setting afaik
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15:00:11amiconnThe lists still use Nimbus-12, it's just the wps that's broken
15:00:12linuxstbYes, it does. But before viewports-in-lists, there was only one viewport (unless the remote counts)
15:00:26amiconn[14:57:53] <amiconn> It might be an effect of viewported lists though
15:01:51linuxstbOK. I was confused about whether you were saying it was caused by just the lcd driver changes or not.
15:03:02Slasheriamiconn: finally a green delta from me :)
15:03:32*amiconn has a working, interrupt driven adc driver on his M3 :)
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15:12:02*linuxstb wonders why changing the volume in the sim causes nvram.bin and config.cfg to be opened, and if it's just a sim thing
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15:13:50amiconnChanging the volume saves settings, that's normal
15:14:00amiconnOn target, it just registers the ata callback
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15:14:25amiconn(or saves in real nvram if available, i.e. on archos recorders)
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16:19:58markunSlasheri: nice commit
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17:08:46amiconnSlasheri: Do you know whether the new system works properly on hwcodec?
17:09:17Slasheriamiconn: no idea about that.. but i think so, please try it :)
17:09:52amiconnCan't try now, as I have no hwcodec target with me, but will probably do so tonight
17:10:03Slasheriok, great
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17:21:54amiconnNico_P: I am experiencing the nasty disk-access-after-every-track effect on my M3 support, "gather runtime data" and cuesheet support are all disabled
17:22:35Nico_PI thought that was fixed :/
17:22:57amiconnHmm, it might be database related. A logf might help to find out
17:23:17amiconnI don't experience it on my H180, but then I have dircache enabled on the H180, but not on the M3
17:23:39amiconnThe database is initialised, but I'm playing from filetree
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17:36:48*markun just did the least useful part of the Meizu M6 port: the FM tuner driver :)
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17:57:00RobotsI have a *Panic* Stkov error on my Sansa e270. How do I make that go away?
17:58:22linuxstbAre you running an official version of Rockbox? i.e. one from ? And if so, is it the newest version?
17:58:34Robotsyes, as far as I know
17:58:42RobotsI installed it less than 2 weeks ago
17:58:53Robotsand got the version from
17:59:49linuxstbNew versions are released many times a day. Can you update to the latest and let us know if you still have the problem?
18:00:14linuxstb(the latest is the one available via the Current Build page)
18:00:38RobotsI cant turn off my player and when I hook it back up to my PC it doesnt recognize the player
18:00:44Robotscan you tell me how to turn it off?
18:00:52linuxstbHold the power button for about 10-15 seconds
18:01:06Robotsok, I'll try that
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18:09:43markunamiconn: are you there?
18:10:06markuncan you take a look at the last post here?
18:10:44markunand tell me if you recognize which LCD driver IC the second block of SPI writes could belong to?
18:10:54markun(the M6TP part)
18:11:29markunThe firts one matches the Samsung S6D0129/39
18:12:07amiconnI have no idea
18:12:17markunok, thanks anyway
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18:16:13*amiconn is more into simple, low-res, low-depth lcd controllers
18:17:24amiconnBagder: ping
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19:07:19gibbon_since the current svn buils, FM radio is disabled for my sansa (!?)
19:09:07gibbon_and i don't see why it should
19:10:04gibbon_in the main menu as well as in the recording sources
19:11:12amiconnAre you running your own modifications?
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19:14:45gibbon_amiconn: nope, that was the official svn tree... i am having both current
19:14:52GrooveStixI was wondering... wouldn't it be a good idea to leave the users to decide what to do with their button configuration (on their mp3 players? or maybe give the users the option to change the default settings?
19:15:11amiconnIt would be a very bad idea
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19:15:19GrooveStixfor who?
19:15:26amiconnConfigurable buttons were discussed countless times already
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19:15:42GrooveStixI see :)
19:15:57GrooveStixand what's the main argument against it anyway?
19:16:57pixelmagibbon_: was that once? I.e. what happens when you reboot?
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19:18:46gibbon_pixelma: same
19:19:04gibbon_pixelma: funny thing is... simulator for the same target works
19:19:09gibbon_i am running another clean build
19:19:14gibbon_maybe something went wrong
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19:19:52bluebrotherGrooveStix: just think of supporting that
19:20:10bluebrotherand what happenes if a user messes up the button configuration?
19:21:23pixelmagibbon_: I noticed that the FM entry sometimes just vanishes (reboot makes it reappear) on my c250 - but I can't test any builds currently (don't have the cable with me :\ )
19:22:00gibbon_pixelma: ok...
19:22:25gibbon_pixelma: i will reinstall a fresh build and try again
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19:23:38gevaertsgibbon_: for what it's worth, I've seen the same thing (also on c250).
19:23:48gibbon_pixelma: since i didn't have this problem yet...
19:23:54gibbon_ok... thanks
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19:24:51nenolodhi, will the creative zvm port eventually work on a creative zen sleek photo?
19:26:29gevaertsnenolod: that depends on how similar the hardware is and on whether someone does the necessary work
19:26:47GrooveStixbluebrother: well if a user messes up the configuration, wouldn't it be possible to have a way to reset it? for example holding two buttons at the same time, or something like that?
19:27:12bluebrotherand which buttons would these be if buttons are configureable? ;-)
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19:27:30bluebrotherbesides, I _really_ don't want to support such a thing or even try to describe it in the manual
19:27:42nenolodgevaerts, as far as i know all of the creative MTP players are the same basic hardware
19:28:35GrooveStixbluebrother: alright, then is there a way for us nerds to hack through the configuration?
19:28:47BigBambiGrooveStix: If someone is that bothered changing keymaps in the source is one of the easiest things to do
19:28:57bluebrotherI think you just need to adjust the keymap
19:29:36BigBambipick your file from in /aps/keymaps and get editing
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19:30:50GrooveStixvery nice... I will! thanks... :)
19:39:17gibbon_enabling the radio once in the OF worked
19:39:36gibbon_the OF crashed, i rebooted to rockbox and it all was great again... sorry for the fuzz :/
19:39:46gibbon_i should stop panicing so easily
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20:08:13alleyoopsterhi all, i was hoping someone might help with a problem after upgrading rockbox. I just replaced the .rockbox folder completely with the latest release r16682 on a 3g ipod, on rebooting I just get the backlight and the apple symbol. Tried it again with a fresh download and still have the same. Anyone have any clues as to the problem? thanks
20:09:53linuxstbTry holding the RIGHT button whilst booting - that should display some messages telling more about what's happening.
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20:11:15alleyoopsterok went too quick, the last message i saw was Rockbox loaded then it wsa blank
20:11:40linuxstbOK, so it seems Rockbox is loading, but then crashing immediately...
20:12:13linuxstbHow old was the version of Rockbox you replaced?
20:12:25alleyoopsternot very, in fact very recent
20:12:33alleyoopsteri think 2 weeks
20:13:09alleyoopsteri was wondering if the boot loader was ok, but i think we just verified that
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20:19:30linuxstbThere used to be a problem (up to about a week ago) where random 1G-3G ipod builds would freeze. But that should have been fixed...
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20:27:01alleyoopsterlinuxstb: took it back to 16601 and all is ok again
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20:28:10linuxstbamiconn might be interested to know that - he's the one who investigated that bug...
20:29:21linuxstbDid you try other versions?
20:29:56alleyoopsterThis was the 3rd version I have had, the last 2 worked ok.
20:31:04alleyoopsteri am hoping it is not a pod problem, I just noticed some artifacts on the screen on boot, not sure what this could be
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20:32:23alleyoopsteralthough it is working fine and playing music on this older release, so I guess not
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20:35:44alleyoopsterr16681 daily build also works ok
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20:39:10alleyoopsterI have just gone through 3 builds and all work except r16682 on the 3g
20:40:17alleyoopsterDo you happen to know the bug id?
20:43:26linuxstbWhat do you mean by bug id?
20:44:09linuxstbThe commit that should have fixed it was r16547
20:45:17alleyoopster amiconn investigated a bug, i was going to look on flyspray to post a comment on it. I am happy using another buildm but wanted to make someone aware of the problem
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20:45:58linuxstbNo, I don't know that bug number. But I'm sure he'll read your comments here in the IRC log.
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20:46:12linuxstbIn any case, the bug will be closed, so you couldn't comment...
20:46:16alleyoopsterok i'll leave it at that, thanks for your help
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22:05:10*gevaerts finally won his fight against C function pointer syntax (by cheating, but still...)
22:06:07gevaertsgibbon_: hello
22:06:42gibbon_gevaerts: i guess cheating is ok if the one you are cheating on is related to pointers in C
22:07:24gibbon_hello to you too
22:08:27gevaertsgibbon_: I couldn't figure out (maybe I'm too tired this weekend) how to make an array of function pointers. However, since I have two of those (different functions, same index), I put them in a struct and made an array of that. Looks just as clean, and it works
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22:10:24*gevaerts likes working with pointers in general, but gets easily confused by C function pointer syntax
22:10:25markungevaerts: btw, your meizu m6 will be black. Would you have prefered white?
22:10:30gibbon_i remember that there were problems with arrays as arguments of functions...
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22:10:47gevaertsmarkun: No problem. I'd probably choose black if I saw two side by side
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22:12:23*gevaerts finds another array with the same index, and adds it to the struct.
22:12:34markungevaerts: also, the M3 is so simlar inside that we get a port to it almost for free after the M6
22:12:53linuxstbSo we'll support two M3s?
22:13:03markunah, yes.. :)
22:13:08markunwill be confusing
22:13:15linuxstbYou're too late - amiconn got there first ;)
22:13:50gevaertsMaybe we can figure out how to use the M3 remote on the M3 ?
22:15:03markunthe Meizu M3 shares some components with the M6SP and the rest with the M6SL. Only the 176x132 display is different
22:15:35linuxstbIs it colour?
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22:15:57linuxstbThat's handy then - same as the Nano
22:15:58markunit's the same screen as the ipod nano 2g
22:16:16amiconnAnd also the nano G1? At least same resolution
22:16:24markundoes the nano have a S6D0123 driver IC?
22:16:33markun(at least that's what I now think is used)
22:16:56amiconnIt has HD66789R, same as (part of) the ipod colour, and the H300
22:17:29markunbut I couldn't find the datasheet but it's just very similar to the other Samsung LCD drivers.
22:17:53markun-but (either of them)
22:19:46amiconnSlasheri: Anything specific that would indicate something being wrong wth the event mechanism?
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22:22:48Slasheriamiconn: runtime stats not getting updated or settings not saving. otherwise it should work
22:23:05Merthsoftiriver h340, should I get it? I have an h20 right now, and it's kind of poopy (hdd is going, as is battery)... Basically, as far as a good player to have, and that can have rockbox on it, and isn't an ipod, what do you dudes suggest?
22:23:39linuxstbThe h340 is a decent player (although relatively bulky)
22:23:52linuxstb(and runs Rockbox very well)
22:23:57markunMerthsoft: depends what you want. A gigabeat F40 is not very expensive and good for audio playback
22:24:07markunbut no recording or radio
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22:24:39linuxstbMerthsoft: You may want to read through this thread -
22:24:48RexDartquick Q: I know you can change the rockbox splash image, but can you change the grey behind it?
22:26:15linuxstbRexDart: Are you running an official version of Rockbox?
22:27:00RexDartIs that a feature of patched versions?
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22:28:08scorche(it is really blue) ;)
22:28:08linuxstbYes, there are patches to allow you to change the splash.
22:28:30*amiconn has run into a problem with the M3 adc driver :\
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22:29:48Merthsoftwhat would someone mean when they say: "We don't have USB OTG yet
22:30:28gevaertsMerthsoft: just that ;)
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22:31:31Merthsoftoh, so it just means the device can initiate a transfer?
22:32:17gevaertsMerthsoft: basically it means that it can switch between device and host mode as needed. In the rockbox context, it mostly means that there is no host-side code at all yet.
22:33:13markunso you can't connect a USB stick or card-reader to your player for example
22:33:38Merthsoftah, ok
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22:34:28Merthsofthmm, well, it seems a 340 is only a little bigger than the h20, and since i'm not too concerned about USB OTG, or flashability, it looks like it wins out over the H100 series...
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22:34:56gevaertsAnyone here who could test some PP502x code with MacOSX or Vista ?
22:35:28countrymonkeyCould fs#8716 be committed?
22:37:12gevaertsMerthsoft: We don't do usb host yet on _any_ target, but it might eventually get there for h300 (except the US version I believe). The h100 will never get it (the hardware doesn't support it)
22:37:23Merthsoftoh, well then
22:37:50gevaertsSo missing OTG is certainly not an argument against the h300
22:37:56markuncountrymonkey: I wonder if it's clear what the pinyin means without specifying the tone.
22:37:58Merthsofthmm... so i should get a not US version if I feel the want for OTG maybe?
22:38:41countrymonkeyThe tone is specified. In "on" and "off", it means 1st sound. If pinyin numerals or accent marks are not specified, it means the first sound.
22:39:07amiconngevaerts: The schematics which we were pointed to yesterday are a great help for getting the otg stack running on H300
22:39:31amiconnIirc petur said he had problems getting Vbus enabled, so the stack waited forever for that condition
22:39:32markunI didn't know that. I thought it was neutral without a tone number (like "ma" or "le")
22:39:44amiconnNow I know how to enable Vbus
22:40:16markuncountrymonkey: should the language file now be renamed to mandarin.lang? :)
22:40:28countrymonkeyAt least in manderin that's how it goes.
22:40:54gevaertsamiconn: That's excellent news. So maybe we should convince petur to continue working on it ;)
22:40:55countrymonkeyNo, because it is still using chinese-simp and trad glyffs for the non sysfont strings.
22:41:40countrymonkeyI didn't know how to do the sysfont stuff, so I opted to use the most popular dialect which is oddly enough the one I speak.
22:42:32gevaertsMerthsoft: there are no guarantees that it will ever work (although it will work in the OF of course), but it might be something to consider (if it doesn't make too much difference in price)
22:42:56Merthsofti'm not too worried about it, to be honest
22:43:18Merthsoftand it looks like there are only 2 listings on ebay, and i assume they're both american
22:44:43countrymonkeySo does that mean "Yes, it can be committed?"
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22:46:38markuncountrymonkey: did you see my PMs?
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22:47:35markunI don't mind committing it if nobody objects
22:48:23scorchemarkun: he cant reply back to your PMs unless you change your nick settings
22:48:45countrymonkeyI use the little web aplit on
22:48:46markunscorche: someone must have changed my settings then
22:49:01markuncountrymonkey: on the bottom you should see a tab with [markun] in it
22:50:48pixelmaif I use the webclient, the tab is on the top...
22:50:58countrymonkeyYes it is.
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22:52:20bluebrotherscorche: sure about the PM thing? AFAIK the one starting the chat needs to be registered only
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22:52:46scorchebluebrother: sometimes it works, most of the time it doesnt
22:52:55bluebrotheroh. Good to know
22:53:02scorchei just dont bother figuring it out so i set myself unfiltered
22:53:33DesensitizerAnyone know the ideal time for spindown on an iPod harddrive, safety/damaging/increasing it's life.
22:55:10DesensitizerAnyone know the ideal time for spindown on an iPod harddrive, safety/damaging/increasing it's life.
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22:57:08DesensitizerAnyone who feels qualified enough to answer: What is the optimal iPod spin-down speed.
22:58:14gevaertsDesensitizer: please don't keep repeating that question. You'll get an answer if and when someone knows it, but you need some patience
22:58:26countrymonkeyDoes the sysfont handle accent marks?
22:58:48linuxstbcountrymonkey: No
22:59:02countrymonkeyThat's what I thought.
22:59:43linuxstbI may be wrong - I think it has a small number of accented letters...
23:01:18amiconnSysfont is full iso8859-1 atm
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23:02:45*linuxstb should check things before answering...
23:03:43Desensitizergevaerts: I wasn't trying to be rude. I run NoScript in my Firefox custom-build and I just wanted to make sure it wasn't blocking all of the IRC features since it was acting weirder than most web-based IRC's.
23:04:10DesensitizerSo I allowed javascript/flash, and reloaded, and re-asked.
23:04:48DesensitizerThen waited like I am now for someone to answer :]
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23:06:41Merthsoftalright, well, thanks for the suggestions guys, see ya
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23:11:34*amiconn just experienced the "rockbox repeats track, although playlist position advances" bug on his M3 :(
23:12:09*gevaerts thinks that a port that gets that bug shows promise. It means lots of other stuff is working
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23:17:39gevaertsI added my "dummy USB audio" patch as FS #8747. Testing with lots of different operating systems is welcome (I'd like both reports on whether it works or causes problems, and opinions on whether it's better than the current way)
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23:24:37linuxstbgevaerts: Does your ipod actually charge using this patch?
23:26:11gevaertslinuxstb: I only actually tried this one on the sansa, but since this patch doesn't actually change charge behaviour I assume that it still won't. Did charging work properly before I started playing with USB ?
23:26:36linuxstbI don't think so, but I always used the emergency disk mode...
23:27:01linuxstbBut it definitely doesn't work now - leaving my ipod attached to my PC in your disk mode will drain the battery.
23:27:41amiconnof course, but that's not a problem of the usb side of things
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23:28:30amiconnThe usb stack requests the necessary power - but unless we also set up the charger correctly, the device won't actually consume the requested power
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23:29:02amiconnThat's a problem of the neglected power management
23:29:19*gevaerts points fingers to Someone Else
23:30:20amiconnThis problem does not only exist on ipods, it also applies to iaudio X5/M5, and most probably others
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23:34:38Bagderone of our not so happy users:
23:35:02Bagderand one of the happy kind:
23:36:09LloreanIt "locked up like a drum"?
23:36:45LloreanWait, I'm thinking musical instrument, I suppose.
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23:39:02Bagdernow what kind of drum locks up?
23:39:16*Bagder reads
23:39:57*gevaerts wonders if that second one is running a usb-enabled build (no more MTP), or just didn't manage to get it in MSC mode previously
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23:40:29*amiconn hates the coldfire i2c module
23:40:48DefineBytedrum as in 'tight'
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23:41:59Bagderand that's about the most useful stuff I got out of that posting ;-)
23:42:32LloreanBagder: Brake drum?
23:42:50LloreanStill, that blog entry reads to me very much as if he didn't try an official build.
23:43:04gevaertsCould be the machine gun drum as well (I guess those can lock up too)
23:43:11LloreanVorbis not working, Ugly UI 5 days ago, and "tried two versions before I could get it to work"
23:43:27*pixelma wonders what the real problem with his ogg files is... wrong tag format? Whatever, he doesn't seem to be interested in fixing so don't know how honest he's about open source anyways...
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23:44:37LloreanApparently it gave a message "ogg decode error."
23:44:40LloreanCan Rockbox even give that message?
23:45:09*amiconn only knows 'Codec error'
23:45:26*pikhq is tempted to do a strings on his Rockbox binaries. . .
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23:46:33Lloreanamiconn: Maybe there are some internal error messages in the codec?
23:46:38DefineBytehe probably tried to put a 64MB 5G build on a 30GB Video or something like that.
23:46:51Lloreanthe whole post seems kinda dubious to me.
23:47:07pixelmaDefineByte: ah yes, good point
23:47:25pikhqIf he wanted *help*, then he could've actually shown the error in full. . .
23:47:46DefineByteI think he'd given up at that point. Short attention span.
23:48:02LloreanHe also said our UI tries to emulate the iPod one.
23:48:10BigBambiI hope not
23:48:11LloreanI don't really see much "iPod" in our current UI.
23:48:16LloreanLike, at all.
23:48:35pikhqBTW, the string in question? Not in vorbis.codec.
23:48:37DefineByteWell, it's white with black text isn't it (used to be?)?
23:48:39BigBambiIf we start trying to emulate the iPod I'm uninstalling :P
23:48:48bluebrotherhehe, "the thing they call user interface" :)
23:49:09DefineByteI don't think a reaction like that is unheard of.
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23:49:16amiconnRockbox _again_ repeated a song
23:49:18LloreanDefineByte: It's dark gray with white text these days
23:49:26pixelmaDefineByte: no, it's not anymore (if he installed it like this month)
23:49:37JdGordon|uniamiconn: again is redunadant :D
23:49:42pikhqI gotta say, I like the new theme.
23:49:46LloreanThe date on the post is March 11, one would hope it was installed this month, otherwise he's a really, really slow blogger on these things
23:49:51amiconnJdGordon: Not in this case
23:50:04amiconnIt already repeated a song earlier in the same album
23:50:07DefineByteI always use my own theme so I don't notice these things. :)
23:50:24pikhqLlorean: That tells me that he really, truly sucks. ;)
23:50:33gevaertsLlorean: Seeing the length of his average blog post, he might actually have a huge backlog
23:50:33pikhqThe new default is actually a fairly beautiful theme.
23:50:45LloreanDefineByte: If you've got a current build, save your settings and then clear them, see what you think of the default.
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23:51:08DefineByteI can't use the default. I need a much larger font size.
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23:52:03pikhqAt least take a look at it.
23:52:06DefineByteAn official 'large font' theme would be neat. :)
23:52:20LloreanWell the new default has a somewhat larger size, but it's probably not large enough for you if you describe your needs as actually "large"
23:52:38DefineByteas large as I can get away with
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23:54:45linuxstbJdGordon|uni: Any objection to me changing your use of "name" to "label" in your multi-font description? To distinguish those labels from the actual font names? And I'm assuming (from your comment about theme authors using the same names) those labels are arbitrary?
23:55:04pikhqHmm. That's peculiar.
23:55:07Bagderhere's another gem: "I?ve uninstalled Rockbox. Nothing like making it simple. You have to read a fucking manual in order to shuffle songs."
23:55:07DefineByteLooks okay but I don't think I could use it. :)
23:55:12JdGordon|unilinuxstb: no prob with that at all
23:55:20JdGordon|uniand yes, they are arbitrary
23:55:32JdGordon|unialthough if that scheme is used we shuold come up with a standard set
23:55:42LloreanBagder: Unless there's a button labeled "shuffle" on the player, I've always had to guess or read to shuffle songs. =/
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23:55:52pikhqMy Sansa, when plugged in, no longer reboots into the default firmware. . .
23:56:05pikhqDid someone get the USB code working in the past couple of weeks or something?
23:57:21pixelmapikhq: this happens in some builds since the beginning for me...
23:57:23pikhqNo; it's just not doing the whole 'reboot into the builtin firmware when plugged into USB' thing anymore.
23:57:49*pikhq mutters about the stubbed-out USB charging code being flakey
23:58:19gevaertspikhq: yes and no. In the official build it should still reboot, but you can get mostly-working native rockbox usb on custom builds
23:58:36pikhqgevaerts: I'm using the official build.
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