| 00:00:26 | gibbon_ | gnah |
| 00:00:53 | gibbon_ | if YOU don't know... to me you are something like the godfather of rockbox :P |
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| 00:01:11 | gibbon_ | coding that usb stack .... |
| 00:01:19 | gibbon_ | usb is a nasty beast... |
| 00:01:24 | amiconn | Don't mess with the global volume just because there's no station |
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| 00:01:36 | BigBambi | And it isn't even the day of his daughters wedding... |
| 00:01:43 | amiconn | If you really want, use the mute function of the fm chip. But I'd rather not do that |
| 00:02:43 | * | gevaerts points out that he only started working on rockbox five weeks ago |
| 00:03:11 | gibbon_ | amiconn: if this is the same function as the manual mute calls, its no good |
| 00:03:56 | gibbon_ | amiconn: since the "field meter" data patch number 1803 gets stops updating in this "Muted state" at least on the sansa |
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| 00:05:22 | gibbon_ | it seems to disable more of the chip than the term "muting" suggests |
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| 00:06:18 | gibbon_ | amiconn: is there something in rockbox like a global "attention" function like some modern car radios have? |
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| 00:07:36 | gibbon_ | this function reduces the volume by some ammount on keypress and restores it on manual volume change or "unattention" |
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| 00:09:14 | amiconn | The voice UI reduces music volume while the voice is talking (on swcodec), but that one won't help in case of radio |
| 00:10:19 | gibbon_ | mhm |
| 00:10:55 | gibbon_ | amiconn: i thought as a quick way, save the current volume, set reduced volume until the station is back, then restore the old volume |
| 00:11:01 | * | amiconn wonders why the radio chip should be muted if it doesn't detect a station |
| 00:11:12 | amiconn | How would you tune into a faint station then? |
| 00:12:12 | amiconn | Or imagine the volume jumping up & down, because signal strength is near the threshold... |
| 00:12:17 | gibbon_ | when i move around while listening to radio, it happens a lot that i move into a dead corner ... |
| 00:12:34 | gibbon_ | the noise then nearly kills me |
| 00:13:02 | amiconn | strange... |
| 00:14:01 | gibbon_ | suddenly, noise kicks in, then i mive to an area with reception and the station is back... |
| 00:14:15 | gibbon_ | i just want to reduce volume by about 20dB while that happens |
| 00:14:44 | gibbon_ | and limit this to the point where no signal or only a very weak is recieved... |
| 00:15:11 | gibbon_ | so the volume will only jump a bit if the station is so weak, it can't be listened anyway |
| 00:15:11 | amiconn | Yeah, I understand that this may happen, but I don't understand why you want to reduce the volume... the noise isn't louder than the normal audio signal at full level... |
| 00:15:34 | gibbon_ | for the waveform, that is correct... |
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| 00:16:03 | * | amiconn listened to the radio on M3 today, and tuned into various station, without reducing the volume while tuning |
| 00:16:15 | gibbon_ | from the psychoacustic side, noise is a lot louder |
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| 00:17:03 | gibbon_ | some private stations in my area don't do agc-postprocessing and so are - in addition to that - below the optimal level... |
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| 00:19:46 | * | amiconn was never really annoyed by the no-station noise |
| 00:20:40 | amiconn | But then I don't use the radio *that* much, and I also know that my opinion regarding certain features differs a lot from many other users |
| 00:20:43 | gibbon_ | the other thing is that i use the player for other things than radio... |
| 00:21:07 | gibbon_ | but also for narrow channel applications |
| 00:22:10 | gibbon_ | the nature of FM transmissions suggests that if you youse a wide tuner to tune into a narrow channel, the output signal will have a lot less volume than it should have |
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| 00:23:01 | gibbon_ | because frequency defection is not as wide as the wide tuner wants it to be |
| 00:23:36 | gibbon_ | i don't know if its the correct term... i guess not |
| 00:26:06 | amiconn | I know what you mean |
| 00:26:20 | amiconn | But that's a pretty special usage case, isn't it? |
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| 00:32:10 | gibbon_ | amiconn: it is :) |
| 00:32:27 | gibbon_ | amiconn: thats why i use a firmware that i can customize for these special cases |
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| 00:44:56 | gibbon_ | amiconn: but don't worry... i won't come crying about jumpy volume |
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| 00:49:00 | amiconn | Recording also works on M3 :D |
| 00:53:41 | gibbon_ | great |
| 00:54:03 | gibbon_ | updating signal strength with radio muted works, too :P |
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| 01:21:48 | gibbon_ | added some defines and a few lines of code |
| 01:21:53 | gibbon_ | lets test if it works |
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| 01:27:20 | gibbon_ | amiconn: thanks for the help, it works great |
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| 01:29:59 | GrooveStix | hey people |
| 01:30:12 | GrooveStix | I am playing with the "database.ignore" and for some reason it's not working for me |
| 01:30:30 | GrooveStix | *"database.ignore" thing |
| 01:31:04 | GrooveStix | would database.ignore also exclude the subfolders in a certain folder? |
| 01:33:14 | linuxstb | It should do, yes. |
| 01:34:21 | GrooveStix | just a moment...oh I see. I updated my database, instead of initialize, since I don't know what's the difference... so it's working now |
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| 01:38:08 | GrooveStix | ah, that actually did it |
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| 01:59:22 | ashes | hello |
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| 02:01:31 | ashes | i'm ripping video from dvd for my iriver. i've found mpeg1 works well, and seems to use less cpu than mpeg2, and i can't see the difference. i'd like the audio to be as close to original quality as possible. i tried to not encode the audio, and copy it, but rockbox won't play the audio. so i think i have to choose between mp1/mp2/mp3 |
| 02:02:02 | ashes | if i use mp2 with a 256 bitrate, would this be better than mp3 with a 192 bitrate? |
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| 02:02:59 | ashes | i don't care how well it plays on anything other than my handheld player |
| 02:03:49 | ashes | the audio i'm encoding is vocal |
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| 02:09:10 | linuxstb | I would be surprised if you could hear a difference, but I think only your ears can tell... |
| 02:11:47 | ashes | well |
| 02:12:05 | ashes | if there's no difference, then i want the one that uses less cpu |
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| 02:21:56 | webguest07 | anyone know where to get addon for pacman on sansa c250?? |
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| 02:26:16 | linuxstb | ashes: Which iriver do you have? |
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| 02:39:41 | ashes | h300 |
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| 02:40:30 | JGabcde | Hello? |
| 02:40:40 | JGabcde | Hello? |
| 02:40:58 | JGabcde | .... |
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| 02:44:36 | ashes | h340 |
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| 03:02:07 | ashes | when audio and video is out of sync, but the audio never skips, what is the problem? |
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| 03:06:30 | markun | ashes: is the video play sync on your PC? |
| 03:06:42 | * | markun shouldn't drink and type |
| 03:08:16 | ashes | seems to be okay on pc |
| 03:09:53 | markun | and do you have frameskip and fps limit both on? |
| 03:10:38 | ashes | i dunno about frameskip |
| 03:10:48 | ashes | the fps is set too high |
| 03:11:08 | ashes | its set to 25, and it's being encoded at about 10 |
| 03:11:22 | markun | I mean in the mpegplayer plugin |
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| 03:11:53 | ashes | yes. both set |
| 03:12:02 | markun | ok, then I really don't know |
| 03:12:06 | markun | but I need some sleep now |
| 03:12:57 | markun | maybe someone else in your timezone can help. Otherwise you can ask again when the sun is up over europe. |
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| 03:23:53 | ashes | i have a 90 minute trip to the saint patrick's day parade. i need to encode some video entertainment |
| 03:35:29 | countrymonkey | What's wrong, again? |
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| 03:35:55 | syn4pse | where's the parade? |
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| 03:36:34 | countrymonkey | big fat off topic |
| 03:36:46 | syn4pse | pluginlib_actions: will that give a satisfactory PLA_LEFT for the iriver h10 5gb |
| 03:36:57 | syn4pse | heheh... well it's only 3/17 once a yr. |
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| 03:38:03 | countrymonkey | What does yr mean? |
| 03:38:31 | krazykit | syn4pse: please review the IrcGuidelines, as they ask you to use full words, that is, year instead of "yr" |
| 03:38:49 | syn4pse | okay, man. sorry. it's saturday night |
| 03:39:09 | countrymonkey | I understand; it is here too. |
| 03:41:36 | syn4pse | anyway... so i have a flyspray for my game plugin, and she's finally working on the sims on all suggested platforms. i have to post the new diff. do i just add a comment with attachments? excuse my ignorance, i am used to being the only coder for clients and i'm green on svn |
| 03:42:36 | krazykit | syn4pse: right, just add a comment with the updated diff |
| 03:43:10 | countrymonkey | It is called a task not a flyspray |
| 03:45:48 | syn4pse | countrymonkey: thanks. like i said, i'm green. |
| 03:46:03 | countrymonkey | You're what? |
| 03:46:19 | syn4pse | green. new to this. why so hostile. |
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| 03:46:57 | syn4pse | anyway, never mind. |
| 03:48:23 | countrymonkey | sory. I have never heard that. |
| 03:48:51 | syn4pse | no problem. :D |
| 03:49:34 | syn4pse | i am too full of cliche. that's what an english teacher once told me. |
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| 03:51:58 | countrymonkey | What is it, rocnia? |
| 03:52:28 | rocnia | woot ? |
| 03:52:56 | countrymonkey | Are you wooting about sound on m3? |
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| 03:54:17 | rocnia | oh :)) |
| 03:54:18 | rocnia | Rockbox is an open source firmware for mp3 players, written from scratch. It runs on a wide range of players |
| 03:54:23 | rocnia | i didn't know |
| 03:54:25 | rocnia | :)) |
| 03:54:28 | rocnia | sry |
| 03:54:38 | pikhq | ... Then why did you just join this channel? |
| 03:54:58 | countrymonkey | pikhq has a point |
| 03:55:04 | krazykit | rocnia: please read the IrcGuidelines linked in the topic :) |
| 03:55:13 | rocnia | i was browsing the channel list, i thought it was interesting :)) |
| 03:55:28 | rocnia | i might leave now |
| 03:55:46 | rocnia | i mean, i thought it was about something else |
| 03:56:02 | krazykit | rocnia: this is an on-topic channel. please take non-rockbox chatter elsewhere |
| 03:56:18 | countrymonkey | oh... Rockbox is a great product. From 40 languages to customizable themes to great sound settingws to supporting about 30 daps, it can't be beat. |
| 03:56:35 | rocnia | nice ! |
| 03:57:20 | pikhq | rocnia: If you want to use Rockbox, though, might I recommend reading up at www.rockbox.rog? |
| 03:57:31 | rocnia | too bad my iriver s10 won't have this installed :) |
| 03:57:32 | countrymonkey | Have we ourselves new rockbox users? *hint hint* |
| 03:58:18 | countrymonkey | awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww... |
| 03:59:00 | countrymonkey | what is www.rockbox.rog? |
| 03:59:15 | scorche|sh | a typo... |
| 03:59:20 | syn4pse | rognia |
| 03:59:26 | rocnia | sure |
| 03:59:59 | syn4pse | rockbox is the coolest. everybody's doing it. |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:20 | countrymonkey | We should have a rockbox theme song since it is for daps. I volenteer to write lyrics. |
| 04:00:31 | syn4pse | i'll help. |
| 04:00:42 | pikhq | I volunteer to sing, so long as it's written for a bass. |
| 04:00:54 | rocnia | it can be installed only on the devices presented on the site no ? |
| 04:01:01 | pikhq | Yeah. |
| 04:01:08 | pikhq | Although it could be ported to more. |
| 04:01:20 | syn4pse | i'll do a blistering guitar solo that will make steven jobs head explode. |
| 04:01:28 | countrymonkey | I cannot sing to save my life. I'll do lyrics, and somebody else do pitches, notes, rhythems and the actual singing. |
| 04:01:45 | syn4pse | i'll even add apostrophes |
| 04:02:26 | rocnia | ok guys good luck with rockbox :) |
| 04:02:41 | syn4pse | rock on, rocnia! |
| 04:02:54 | rocnia | \m/ |
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| 04:03:21 | countrymonkey | What tune for the theme song? |
| 04:03:40 | syn4pse | i was thinking of the andy griffith theme. |
| 04:03:46 | krazykit | countrymonkey: that's really not on-topic. same to you syn4pse |
| 04:03:52 | syn4pse | sorry. |
| 04:04:24 | countrymonkey | I had an idea of "God Bless America" (from the server, to the client, to the player, and beyond... God bless the rockbox build...) |
| 04:05:01 | countrymonkey | you're right, of cource |
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| 04:08:11 | countrymonkey | What is it, topbloke? |
| 04:08:36 | topbloke | hey |
| 04:08:49 | topbloke | has the battery life of 5.5G ipods improved on rockbox at all? |
| 04:08:54 | countrymonkey | Do you have a question? |
| 04:09:02 | topbloke | yes I do |
| 04:09:14 | countrymonkey | sory. those 2 messages came in the exact same time. |
| 04:10:22 | krazykit | topbloke: improved since when? there was a fairly large improvement a number of months ago |
| 04:10:23 | countrymonkey | I would assume so if you mean after the commit of 8379 |
| 04:10:41 | countrymonkey | I mean since before |
| 04:11:14 | krazykit | topbloke: major changes to rockbox (that would be one of them) can be found on the MajorChanges wiki page. |
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| 04:12:04 | countrymonkey | What is it, webguest83? |
| 04:12:15 | topbloke | like |
| 04:12:15 | scorche|sh | krazykit: much sooner than that |
| 04:12:24 | topbloke | since |
| 04:12:27 | webguest83 | how long does the menu on ur ipod stay there for |
| 04:12:40 | webguest83 | mine stays there for 1-2 mins |
| 04:12:45 | scorche|sh | countrymonkey: please dont say that for every single person that comes it...it just gets annoying |
| 04:12:46 | webguest83 | is this normal? |
| 04:12:48 | JdGordon | countrymonkey: if you keep being stupid and asking everyone who joins what they want you will bi kicked |
| 04:12:56 | countrymonkey | Depends on how lond idle power off has beem set for |
| 04:13:04 | scorche|sh | webguest83: eh?...not sure what you mean |
| 04:13:21 | topbloke | my rockbox.ipod is from March 1 2007 |
| 04:13:21 | countrymonkey | Sorry, I cannot type today |
| 04:13:29 | webguest83 | when i power on the rockbox screen comes on and stays there |
| 04:13:42 | webguest83 | after 1-2 minutes it finally goes to the menu |
| 04:13:42 | countrymonkey | Than topbloke it has. |
| 04:14:03 | countrymonkey | oh, that's what you mean. What font are you using? |
| 04:14:12 | webguest83 | standard |
| 04:14:16 | topbloke | would you be able to say by how much |
| 04:14:35 | topbloke | im gonna give rockbox another try it has been a year |
| 04:14:43 | countrymonkey | no. |
| 04:14:46 | topbloke | oh btw |
| 04:14:54 | scorche|sh | topbloke: that depends on the state of your battery...you would be best off just trying it yourself |
| 04:14:54 | countrymonkey | You are just using english, webguest83? |
| 04:15:00 | webguest83 | yeah |
| 04:15:12 | topbloke | I have a custom apple firmware with graphics on it, can I use that and rockbox at the same time? |
| 04:15:31 | countrymonkey | Okay. So font cacheing isn't the problem. (I remember using chinese-trad.lang) |
| 04:15:33 | scorche|sh | topbloke: rockbox is dual boot |
| 04:15:50 | topbloke | but didn't it overwrite the apple firmware too |
| 04:15:54 | countrymonkey | hmm... |
| 04:16:01 | pikhq | Nope. |
| 04:16:07 | topbloke | with its own copy of it |
| 04:16:14 | scorche|sh | topbloke: make sure to test both the rockbox firmware and the original firmware, as some people are surprised how long they last when they actually time them |
| 04:16:21 | topbloke | ok |
| 04:16:34 | topbloke | well last year I felt a big difference without timing them |
| 04:16:47 | scorche|sh | last year there was |
| 04:16:48 | countrymonkey | How large is the .voice file if you use one, webguest83? |
| 04:16:51 | topbloke | ok |
| 04:16:57 | topbloke | willl give it a shot |
| 04:17:03 | webguest83 | i dont use anyvoice file |
| 04:17:05 | webguest83 | that i know of |
| 04:17:06 | topbloke | so it won't touch my apple firmware? |
| 04:17:22 | countrymonkey | So the menus don't speak? |
| 04:17:28 | webguest83 | nope |
| 04:17:36 | scorche|sh | webguest83: try and reset the settings upon boot |
| 04:17:43 | scorche|sh | topbloke: nope |
| 04:18:05 | webguest83 | how do i do that |
| 04:18:15 | countrymonkey | The original firmware is stored in a 1 mb flash rom unaffected by the rb bootloader. |
| 04:18:30 | topbloke | oh |
| 04:18:32 | topbloke | cause you know |
| 04:18:38 | countrymonkey | At the bootloader text screen, flick hold to on. |
| 04:18:49 | topbloke | I actually wrote a custom firmware using the rockbox tool |
| 04:18:56 | webguest83 | k |
| 04:19:02 | topbloke | to my ipod |
| 04:19:17 | countrymonkey | Cool, how is it better than rb? |
| 04:19:35 | topbloke | no it sucks its just apple with new graphics |
| 04:19:42 | webguest83 | countrymonkey: that didnt work |
| 04:19:50 | webguest83 | a little text box cam up saying cleard |
| 04:19:57 | webguest83 | cleared* |
| 04:20:06 | countrymonkey | Connect it to the computer and delete config.cfg in the .rockbox folder |
| 04:20:30 | countrymonkey | Ohmm... |
| 04:21:07 | syn4pse | to do a diff with my source code, since i didn't do it right the first time, i svn add apps/plugins/amaze.c? then svn diff > out.diff? |
| 04:21:16 | countrymonkey | Can you hear the hdd working when you press the menu button? |
| 04:21:37 | webguest83 | sometimes |
| 04:21:53 | countrymonkey | When and when not? Random? |
| 04:22:07 | webguest83 | yeah |
| 04:22:12 | webguest83 | random |
| 04:22:19 | webguest83 | i just deleted the cfg file |
| 04:22:22 | webguest83 | ill try again |
| 04:22:44 | countrymonkey | update your rockbox |
| 04:23:05 | webguest83 | i gto it like 3 days ago |
| 04:23:08 | webguest83 | got* |
| 04:23:44 | countrymonkey | When did this problem start? |
| 04:23:59 | webguest83 | as soon as i got it |
| 04:24:21 | countrymonkey | the build or the player |
| 04:24:28 | webguest83 | build |
| 04:24:47 | countrymonkey | downgrade your rockbox |
| 04:24:54 | webguest83 | how? |
| 04:25:05 | countrymonkey | old daily build |
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| 04:25:57 | webguest83 | whers that |
| 04:26:04 | webguest83 | i can get the current build |
| 04:26:10 | countrymonkey | www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
| 04:26:32 | topbloke | I tried to install the ipodpatcher thing |
| 04:26:37 | topbloke | I press I to install |
| 04:26:37 | countrymonkey | find the link that sais old under your player |
| 04:26:43 | topbloke | it just says press enter to exit |
| 04:26:51 | countrymonkey | what what what, topbloke? |
| 04:27:08 | topbloke | I ran ipodpatcher |
| 04:27:19 | topbloke | it found an ipod |
| 04:27:21 | topbloke | I press I |
| 04:27:27 | topbloke | and it says press enter to exit |
| 04:27:42 | webguest83 | how old should i go country? |
| 04:27:50 | countrymonkey | Did it install successfully? |
| 04:27:55 | topbloke | no |
| 04:28:22 | countrymonkey | The 13th of march |
| 04:28:49 | countrymonkey | If that's the day you updated. |
| 04:28:55 | topbloke | bollocks |
| 04:29:32 | countrymonkey | What does bollocks mean? |
| 04:29:50 | topbloke | no good |
| 04:30:01 | countrymonkey | in what language? |
| 04:30:07 | topbloke | cockney |
| 04:30:23 | countrymonkey | whatever that is... |
| 04:30:44 | syn4pse | should i .zip my .diff? |
| 04:30:51 | countrymonkey | no |
| 04:30:59 | syn4pse | cool. |
| 04:31:10 | topbloke | argh its not installing |
| 04:31:13 | syn4pse | just .zip the bitmaps, right? |
| 04:31:27 | countrymonkey | sí yes |
| 04:31:33 | syn4pse | jawol! |
| 04:31:48 | countrymonkey | What's jawol? |
| 04:31:52 | syn4pse | german. |
| 04:31:59 | topbloke | don't you know any lanugages |
| 04:32:15 | topbloke | HELP |
| 04:32:19 | topbloke | it won't install |
| 04:32:21 | countrymonkey | I know english, chinese, japanesde and I'm learning spanish. |
| 04:32:44 | scorche|sh | topbloke: give rbutil a try |
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| 04:32:56 | webguest83 | countrythat didnt work |
| 04:33:00 | topbloke | ok |
| 04:33:04 | webguest83 | its still really slow |
| 04:33:23 | scorche|sh | webguest83: that is really odd...could you try re-installing the bootloader again? |
| 04:33:45 | scorche|sh | webguest83: as well, what operating system are you running? |
| 04:33:46 | webguest83 | how? |
| 04:33:56 | scorche|sh | webguest83: the instructions are in the manual |
| 04:34:18 | webguest83 | k thanks |
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| 04:37:06 | topbloke | rbutil seems to have worked |
| 04:37:20 | countrymonkey | Idesu |
| 04:38:06 | countrymonkey | bueno |
| 04:38:55 | webguest83 | ok i reinstalled the bootlaoder |
| 04:39:01 | webguest83 | now try again? |
| 04:39:11 | countrymonkey | yes |
| 04:40:02 | topbloke | wow it got recognized as a rockbox media player |
| 04:40:33 | countrymonkey | You must boot up into the apple os to transfer files. |
| 04:40:51 | scorche|sh | topbloke: yes...that is the beginnings of our USB support...not fully functional yet though |
| 04:40:56 | webguest83 | that did nothing |
| 04:40:56 | topbloke | pretty snazzy |
| 04:41:00 | scorche|sh | countrymonkey: or disk mode... |
| 04:41:01 | webguest83 | its still slow |
| 04:41:12 | scorche|sh | webguest83: what operating system do you run on your computer? |
| 04:41:17 | countrymonkey | Cannot you enable a certain #define and get ums support? |
| 04:41:19 | webguest83 | what u mean> |
| 04:41:32 | scorche|sh | windows, mac, linux, etc |
| 04:41:38 | webguest83 | windows xp |
| 04:42:05 | countrymonkey | What sort of ipod, webguest83? |
| 04:42:38 | webguest83 | video 30gig 5g |
| 04:42:51 | syn4pse | FS #8647 (my 3d maze game plugin) is up if anyone wants to check it out. |
| 04:43:03 | scorche|sh | webguest83: plug your ipod in (make sure it is in disk mode so your computer can see it), right click it in My Computer, Properties > Tools > Check Now > check both boxes and start |
| 04:43:11 | topbloke | wow rockbox looks sweet now |
| 04:43:35 | webguest83 | k |
| 04:43:37 | webguest83 | k |
| 04:44:14 | webguest83 | how long is it normal for an ipodto restart? |
| 04:44:27 | webguest83 | cause mines pretty slow at that 2 |
| 04:44:42 | syn4pse | webguest83: my ipod video reboots rockbox in probably 15 seconds? |
| 04:44:51 | syn4pse | maybe quicker |
| 04:44:57 | countrymonkey | 10 for me |
| 04:45:42 | webguest83 | ok ive gone to tools and it has back up error checking and defragmentation |
| 04:45:47 | countrymonkey | Is it possible that plugins will be localized/voiced? |
| 04:46:07 | scorche|sh | webguest83: as i said, hit check now, check both boxes, and start it |
| 04:46:13 | webguest83 | k |
| 04:46:13 | countrymonkey | Do both error checking and defrag |
| 04:47:50 | topbloke | I need a snazzy theme now |
| 04:48:15 | scorche|sh | then go get one... |
| 04:48:18 | syn4pse | i like that phktape. it kills me. |
| 04:48:30 | topbloke | do themes from last year still work |
| 04:48:32 | countrymonkey | or make one |
| 04:48:52 | scorche|sh | topbloke: that depends...some are broken, some have been updated...try them and see... |
| 04:48:56 | topbloke | ok thanks |
| 04:48:58 | topbloke | will do |
| 04:51:37 | syn4pse | what is the etiquette for promoting a patch? |
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| 04:52:24 | countrymonkey | Get prospectors here. But they will rip you apart if you don't wait at least a week (trust me, that was me before). |
| 04:53:11 | scorche|sh | i wouldnt say "rip you apart"... |
| 04:53:31 | countrymonkey | that was a bit exagerated |
| 04:54:14 | scorche|sh | syn4pse: everyone who subscribes get a mail on changes...meaning that they will get a mail when a patch is submitted...to come in here right after can be a but useless as we already get a mail about it |
| 04:55:00 | countrymonkey | I thought the mail came in every friday |
| 04:55:23 | topbloke | usb support in rockbox works fine |
| 04:55:34 | syn4pse | thanks scorche|sh and countrymonkey |
| 04:55:35 | countrymonkey | transfers too? |
| 04:55:40 | topbloke | yeah everything |
| 04:55:59 | countrymonkey | wow! |
| 04:56:06 | topbloke | maybe its just me |
| 04:56:13 | topbloke | I think it always worked for me |
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| 04:56:37 | topbloke | and wow it boots fast now |
| 04:56:49 | syn4pse | i'm going to have an off-topic beer. to all a good night (GMT-4) |
| 04:57:01 | scorche|sh | topbloke: dont confuse disk mode and rockbox ;) |
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| 04:57:07 | topbloke | oh |
| 04:57:09 | topbloke | yeah |
| 04:57:14 | topbloke | its that white screen |
| 04:57:14 | countrymonkey | Go to sleep. It's midnight! |
| 04:57:20 | topbloke | apple I guess |
| 04:57:28 | topbloke | do not disconnect |
| 04:57:35 | scorche|sh | that would be disk mode |
| 04:57:40 | countrymonkey | hat's apple |
| 04:57:50 | topbloke | right riht |
| 04:57:57 | topbloke | but rockbox shows a usb plug |
| 04:58:09 | countrymonkey | What does the rb usb screen look like? I'm blind. |
| 04:58:22 | topbloke | it's a white USB plug |
| 04:58:33 | topbloke | and THEN it goes to the disk mode one |
| 04:58:42 | countrymonkey | thx |
| 04:59:25 | topbloke | best feature of rockbox |
| 04:59:34 | topbloke | is the sloooooooow fade on the backlight |
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| 05:00:13 | lostconfused | hey anyone around to give me a few tips? |
| 05:00:24 | countrymonkey | yes about what? |
| 05:00:32 | scorche | 122 people in here... |
| 05:00:57 | lostconfused | maybe all afk =o i keep getting ipod not found when im trying to install rockbox |
| 05:01:04 | countrymonkey | So that's what that number means? |
| 05:01:18 | scorche | and how are you trying to install it? |
| 05:01:20 | countrymonkey | The number on the top line of that web aplit provided by rockbox.org |
| 05:01:26 | topbloke | 100000 ms fadeout |
| 05:01:29 | lostconfused | tried manual and auto |
| 05:01:32 | | Part pandrew |
| 05:01:39 | scorche | lostconfused: which device do you have? |
| 05:01:45 | countrymonkey | Is rbutil auto? |
| 05:01:50 | scorche | yes |
| 05:01:52 | lostconfused | ipod nano |
| 05:01:59 | scorche | lostconfused: which generation |
| 05:02:04 | lostconfused | 1st |
| 05:02:14 | scorche | are you sure? |
| 05:02:18 | lostconfused | nope |
| 05:02:20 | lostconfused | lol |
| 05:02:25 | * | topbloke plays with fade in and out some more |
| 05:02:36 | lostconfused | silver backed so that means 1st gen? |
| 05:02:36 | countrymonkey | If it is aluminum + plastic it is 1st |
| 05:02:55 | lostconfused | so its 1st |
| 05:02:57 | webguest83 | my computer is only halfway thropugh error checking!!!! |
| 05:03:00 | countrymonkey | or is it the other way around |
| 05:03:19 | scorche | lostconfused: is itunes running? |
| 05:03:23 | scorche | webguest83: be patient.. |
| 05:03:30 | webguest83 | nope |
| 05:03:33 | lostconfused | nope itunes isent even installed atm |
| 05:04:02 | countrymonkey | \What is atm? |
| 05:04:04 | scorche | and does it appear in windows explorer? (assuming you are using windows) |
| 05:04:15 | pikhq | countrymonkey: "At The Moment". |
| 05:04:15 | webguest83 | at the moment |
| 05:04:18 | countrymonkey | the finder in mac? |
| 05:04:40 | topbloke | rockbox should have brightness dependent on time of day! |
| 05:04:48 | lostconfused | i got a gigabeat with rockbox installed on it (atm at the moment) yes scorche i can copy files on to it and everything |
| 05:04:56 | countrymonkey | write a patch... |
| 05:05:25 | topbloke | see |
| 05:05:35 | topbloke | during the daytime it should be bright |
| 05:05:38 | topbloke | but dim at night |
| 05:05:42 | countrymonkey | What is see? |
| 05:05:43 | * | topbloke writes a patch |
| 05:05:56 | scorche | lostconfused: very odd...and you said both rbutil and ipodpatcher say that it cannot find it? |
| 05:06:03 | topbloke | rockbox is still written in SEE |
| 05:06:05 | topbloke | right |
| 05:06:14 | scorche | C |
| 05:06:16 | countrymonkey | sí |
| 05:06:31 | topbloke | ok get ready for a topbloke patch |
| 05:06:34 | lostconfused | yes maybe silver backed is 2nd gen? or theres new ones out now which are silver backed also now? |
| 05:06:57 | scorche | lostconfused: there are others out, but they are all aluminium |
| 05:07:06 | countrymonkey | Scorche: What do you mean by C? |
| 05:07:12 | scorche | as in no plastic piece covering the front |
| 05:07:27 | scorche | countrymonkey: rockbox is written in C... |
| 05:08:00 | countrymonkey | I know. |
| 05:08:19 | countrymonkey | sorry |
| 05:08:22 | lostconfused | na this is plastic on the front and silver backked hmm very strange |
| 05:08:50 | countrymonkey | When did you get it? |
| 05:09:03 | webguest83 | lost:go to apple.com and go to the link what ipod do i have? |
| 05:09:32 | lostconfused | they bought it yesterday |
| 05:09:58 | countrymonkey | It isn't nano1, that's for sure if you bought it from apple |
| 05:10:51 | lostconfused | found what it looks like on google |
| 05:10:52 | lostconfused | http://jfl888.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/nano-ipod.jpg |
| 05:11:03 | scorche | that is a 3rd generation |
| 05:11:27 | countrymonkey | no rockboxability can be performed on this dap |
| 05:11:34 | lostconfused | bah damn |
| 05:11:42 | topbloke | no rockboxability? |
| 05:12:00 | webguest83 | is that a word? |
| 05:12:08 | scorche | no |
| 05:12:40 | countrymonkey | Ithink, " If they understand you, it is a valid word." |
| 05:13:06 | topbloke | let me google that |
| 05:14:11 | countrymonkey | This is my personal thoughts. ©2008 by countrymonkey, all rights reserved. No reproduction or distribution ... |
| 05:14:13 | topbloke | get this |
| 05:14:23 | topbloke | rockbox now boots faster than the apple firmware boots |
| 05:14:33 | topbloke | cause I got all the ipod games installed it takes forever to boot it |
| 05:14:36 | countrymonkey | I agree |
| 05:15:18 | lostconfused | been awhile since i checked uppdates on rockbox gigabeat able to ff rw movies yet? |
| 05:15:19 | topbloke | now the ipod sleeps or something right |
| 05:15:25 | countrymonkey | I can only think of 2 good thins about the apple firmware making it better than rb, the fact the games are translated and the batery life. |
| 05:15:40 | scorche | lostconfused: you might want to have a look at the MajorChanges wiki page |
| 05:15:43 | topbloke | yeah battery life kept me away from rb |
| 05:16:01 | countrymonkey | topbloke: Are you still working on that patch? |
| 05:16:15 | topbloke | yeah I think so |
| 05:16:19 | topbloke | but I just thought it up |
| 05:17:39 | countrymonkey | Oh... I thought you were writing it. Speaking of patches, 8716 8720 and 8722 need commiting |
| 05:17:50 | topbloke | I just got rockbox now |
| 05:17:54 | topbloke | one step at a time |
| 05:18:31 | countrymonkey | I like the idea, though. You know C? |
| 05:18:40 | topbloke | yeah a bit |
| 05:18:54 | topbloke | do you |
| 05:19:29 | countrymonkey | no. You could always file a feature request if you don't feel up to writing a patch |
| 05:20:25 | topbloke | ok |
| 05:20:34 | webguest83 | how many phases are there in error checking??/ |
| 05:20:42 | webguest83 | im up to phase 2 |
| 05:21:03 | countrymonkey | 6 I think or was that something else |
| 05:21:29 | scorche | webguest83: just be patient and wait... |
| 05:22:50 | webguest83 | what are some good game plugins that dont come as default??? |
| 05:23:04 | countrymonkey | 8183 but that is out of sync |
| 05:23:10 | countrymonkey | wish I could try it |
| 05:24:52 | countrymonkey | I wish we could find sound files and voices for that thing so it would be like real deal or no deal. |
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| 05:25:18 | webguest83 | disk check complete |
| 05:25:48 | webguest83 | and it didnt say there were any errors |
| 05:26:57 | webguest83 | now what do i do? |
| 05:27:21 | scorche | try defragging it |
| 05:27:36 | webguest83 | will that do any damage? |
| 05:27:40 | scorche | no |
| 05:28:34 | webguest83 | analyze or defragment? |
| 05:28:39 | scorche | defragment |
| 05:32:21 | * | countrymonkey wishes to stay on irc until it stops haleing in CA |
| 05:35:35 | webguest83 | how long does your rockbox take to start up after the yellow thing pops up |
| 05:35:46 | topbloke | FAST |
| 05:36:11 | webguest83 | do u have to press any buttons |
| 05:36:21 | topbloke | no |
| 05:36:38 | webguest83 | hmmm |
| 05:37:34 | webguest83 | would it maybe be because of iboy??? |
| 05:37:49 | topbloke | iboy? |
| 05:37:54 | scorche | rockbox doesnt have iboy and if you mean rockboy, no |
| 05:38:05 | webguest83 | k |
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| 05:42:14 | webguest83 | do u have to switch to normal ipod b4 plugging into computer or doesnt it really matter |
| 05:42:44 | scorche | if you plug it in while in rockbox, it should reboot to disk mode |
| 05:42:57 | countrymonkey | ,It matters. You do. And you should actually type before not just b4. |
| 05:43:11 | scorche | no, you dont |
| 05:43:26 | countrymonkey | I thought after this new usb stack... |
| 05:43:29 | topbloke | goodnight |
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| 05:44:01 | scorche | you can still boot into disk mode...not the whole apple firmware |
| 05:44:20 | countrymonkey | you are right. |
| 05:44:47 | countrymonkey | But why you would do that is beyond me. Apple firmware is faster at sending/receiving data |
| 05:45:57 | webguest83 | any mnore ideas on whats wrong with rockbox/my ipod |
| 05:46:09 | scorche | have you defragged it? |
| 05:46:21 | webguest83 | it kept on freezing |
| 05:49:41 | webguest83 | so anymore ideas |
| 05:49:50 | scorche | is that a no? |
| 05:49:57 | webguest83 | yeah |
| 05:50:03 | countrymonkey | nein |
| 05:50:55 | scorche | try it again and wait for it to see if it eventually goes on |
| 05:51:35 | webguest83 | it always eventually goes on but it takes ages to |
| 05:52:04 | scorche | then be patient... |
| 05:52:42 | webguest83 | but why isnt it quick like everyone elses |
| 05:53:02 | scorche | i am referring to defragmenting your ipod |
| 05:53:03 | webguest83 | could itbe becasue of all the stuff ik have on it |
| 05:53:20 | webguest83 | i have 25gb of stuff on it |
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| 05:53:55 | webguest83 | ill defag again |
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| 05:56:28 | countrymonkey | I think I better go; I am getting a case of the sleepy foot. |
| 05:56:28 | webguest83 | what does defragging acctually do? |
| 05:57:01 | countrymonkey | It moves everything into contiguous blocks. The rest can explain it more thoroughly; I really need to go. |
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| 12:34:03 | gibbon_ | wow... |
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| 12:34:39 | gibbon_ | i don't know how i did, but i implemented my "fm auto mute very weak stations" to be switchable |
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| 12:37:25 | JdGordon | hey Bagder |
| 12:37:50 | * | Bagder stands up straight |
| 12:38:01 | Bagder | hey ho! |
| 12:38:17 | JdGordon | hey |
| 12:38:34 | JdGordon | I got the acbuild.pl script from the wiki which should fix the macs problems.. |
| 12:38:38 | JdGordon | if you wana try it again |
| 12:38:56 | Bagder | certainly! |
| 12:39:10 | Bagder | re-added now |
| 12:39:36 | JdGordon | feel like forcing a build to make sure? |
| 12:39:41 | JdGordon | incase it still needs fixing |
| 12:40:02 | SSnake | good morning |
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| 12:41:42 | SSnake | the dsp_xxxx plugin calls are relatively new...no wiki on them... |
| 12:43:28 | SSnake | does dsp_submit(...) call emit any sound? Is it only used to prepare data to be sent via pcm_play_data( ) ? |
| 12:46:11 | Lear | What dsp_submit? I can't see it in plugin.h... |
| 12:46:27 | * | linuxstb can't see it anywhere... |
| 12:47:01 | SSnake | really sorry i meant dsp_process() |
| 12:47:28 | linuxstb | Check apps/dsp.c - the functions are implemented (and commented) there. |
| 12:48:07 | Bagder | JdGordon: no cookie for you |
| 12:48:48 | markun | Bagder, linuxstb: do you guys know something about LCD driver IC's? |
| 12:48:49 | SSnake | yes i read it.... it says nobody about aoudio uotput...so i guess it's just needed to convert data to a raw pcm compatible format to be sent via pcm_play_data, am i right? |
| 12:48:55 | JdGordon | why does osx suck? :'( |
| 12:49:04 | JdGordon | i did a sdl build test before fine |
| 12:49:05 | Bagder | JdGordon: because apple did it? |
| 12:49:33 | markun | I wonder why during some of the LCD inits the same registers get written to multiple times |
| 12:50:27 | markun | and if you guys can recognize the 2nd LCD driver IC in the last post: http://www.meizume.com/firmware/5567-rockbox-project-m6-13.html |
| 12:51:27 | Lear | SSnake: dsp_process just processes data from one buffer to another, it doesn't actually play it. See how it is used in playback.c. |
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| 12:52:03 | linuxstb | markun: Sorry, I can't help there. |
| 12:52:09 | Lear | It handles format conversion and various processing (such as EQ, reqplaygain...). |
| 12:52:35 | Bagder | markun: amiconn could be the man to talk to, he's done a lot of lcd driver/controller work |
| 12:52:51 | markun | ok, I will |
| 12:53:12 | markun | I'm happy that now at least we know the LCD driver IC and I have found the datasheet |
| 12:54:05 | Bagder | nice |
| 12:54:36 | markun | but the biggest problem is still the undocumented S5L8700 |
| 12:54:39 | JdGordon | Bagder: well sdl-config is definatly in the path... I've manually added it to acbuild.pl also so hopefully.... |
| 12:55:09 | Bagder | ok, another build coming up |
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| 12:56:58 | JdGordon | top shows lots of cc1's |
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| 12:58:54 | Bagder | happening tomorrow: "List of accepted mentoring organizations published " (gsoc) |
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| 13:00:00 | JdGordon | working on the assumtptoin we got accepted... has anyone done anything about the little "test" for students? |
| 13:00:33 | Bagder | I've actually started to gather a few questions to ask every student |
| 13:00:46 | Bagder | more for an interview style rather than a test |
| 13:00:59 | BigBambi | 1) What is Rockbox |
| 13:01:26 | Bagder | 1. How many hours per week do you have planned/scheduled for your gsoc work, |
| 13:01:27 | Bagder | should it get accepted? |
| 13:01:33 | Bagder | 2. Have you built Rockbox before? |
| 13:01:38 | Bagder | 3. What C coding experience? |
| 13:01:43 | Bagder | 4. What open source experience? |
| 13:01:47 | Bagder | 5. What's your previous involvement been in this project? |
| 13:02:00 | JdGordon | cool |
| 13:02:31 | Bagder | and based on how and what they answer, we should get a better picture of each student's intension and abilities |
| 13:03:18 | markun | Bagder: maybe ask them if they own a DAP |
| 13:03:27 | Bagder | good idea |
| 13:03:31 | markun | which my student didn't when he started |
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| 13:07:30 | SSnake | as a student i say: yes i think it's better to ask all that. |
| 13:08:44 | linuxstb | Bagder: What about making 3) more general? - i.e. "What programming experience do you have, and in which languages?". And maybe 1) also needs to ask how many weeks of the SoC time (whatever the start and end dates are) the student intends to work? Or maybe put that another way - e.g. "Are there any weeks of the SoC time you will be unavailable to work?" |
| 13:09:51 | SSnake | even if about the 1. it could be not so needed: maybe the student has just some freetime periods... |
| 13:10:11 | linuxstb | It's meant to be a full-time summer job (IIUC). |
| 13:10:42 | linuxstb | Or at least, a significant portion of time during that period. |
| 13:11:22 | Bagder | yes |
| 13:11:23 | SSnake | if for example the student has a 1 week completely free and works 24h/day the next week it's quite the same |
| 13:11:34 | Bagder | gsoc is basically 12 weeks afair |
| 13:13:30 | linuxstb | SSnake: IMO, if the student has significant other commitments, there's a serious risk of him/her not being able to spend enough time on Rockbox, and we would want to know that in advance. |
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| 13:20:05 | SSnake | mmmm...i can understand your point... but maybe the student can divide his time as better as he can and accomplish all the things he has to do. I think you cannot make assumption without knowing the real skills of your student.... It's only a supposition. |
| 13:21:20 | linuxstb | SSnake: I didn't say such students should be rejected, just that they should tell us about their other commitments in advance. |
| 13:23:53 | SSnake | of course, but why you'd ask it? i think you'd ask to consider if he has enough time to spend... SO what if he has not enough time? I think you'll reject him. If you don't plan to reject him why ask that? |
| 13:24:01 | BigBambi | Isn't GSOC meant to be like a full time job for the student for the duration? |
| 13:26:26 | BigBambi | SSnake: So the people concerned here can make a judgement if those other commitments are too much or not? |
| 13:28:54 | linuxstb | Anyone have an opinion on whether WPS lines that only contain images should count as text line (and hence cause that line to be cleared when images are updated) ? That's how the WPS currently behaves, but IMO it's not nice |
| 13:29:51 | Bagder | SSnake: because obviously lots of students take on stuff when they haven't planned enough time for the gsoc project and we rather pick people who plan to devote more than those planning to devote little time |
| 13:30:15 | * | Bagder runs off |
| 13:33:31 | pixelma | linuxstb: I agree that it's not nice (and read a few threads in the forums of people wondering about cleared lines across their album art for example). The only workaround for this ATM is to put the image in a conditional so that they are updated more often, which is not nice too. |
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| 13:35:09 | SSnake | so you come to what i wrote before: how can you judge without knowing the real skills of your student? I think a good skill student (of course i'm not talking about me) can better serve the Rockbox project compared to one who has a lot of time to spend and not enough skills ( and i mean also other skill like good problem solving etc..). But it's only my opinion, the opinion of a student. So take it with a grain of salt. |
| 13:35:47 | markun | SSnake: how can you quickly find out someone's real skills? |
| 13:36:15 | linuxstb | SSnake: If a student says they won't have much time to spend on Rockbox, then they will need to convince us that they can still get the project done in that time. Similarly, students without other commitments will still need to demonstrate skill (just less skill, as they are devoting more time) |
| 13:38:01 | markun | SSnake: my student from last year didn't complete GSoC last year, and the fact that he had very little time to work on it was a big factor in that I think. |
| 13:38:12 | linuxstb | pixelma: I'm thinking of changing that behaviour as part of my viewports patch, but obviously the downside is that it will break backwards-compatibility. |
| 13:38:40 | * | domonoky wants to see some coding test for the applying gsoc students :-) |
| 13:38:46 | desowin | atheme.org has "list your opensource contributions or complete qualification test" |
| 13:38:52 | linuxstb | domonoky: I think we all do - we just need ideas for tests... |
| 13:39:27 | BigBambi | rewrite playback.c ? |
| 13:40:13 | pixelma | linuxstb: why would it break backwards-compatibility? just wondering if I'm missing something, or maybe even talk about something else... |
| 13:41:04 | linuxstb | pixelma: Because a line that never generates any text will not be counted as a line - so all later lines will be moved up. |
| 13:41:36 | pixelma | hmm, I see |
| 13:43:05 | BigBambi | IMO I think it better to fix it properly at the cost of some breakages - otherwise we wander on with workarounds etc for for the future, and it is at least an easy fix for a broken theme - just insert a line. But then I'm not a theme author. |
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| 13:44:05 | pixelma | not sure if it's that important because these WPSs won't be completely broken, just don't look right - and can be easily fixed |
| 13:44:21 | BigBambi | My thoughts too |
| 13:45:58 | pixelma | it would be an easier fix than finding unclosed conditionals etc. or unescaped | which is a problem for still quite a lot WPSs in the wiki (IIRC) |
| 13:46:43 | SSnake | @markun: no, there's no quick way. You should see in time. I'm only questioning about "choosing students on their free time". Maybe your student's work is really a good one (even if incomplete) and it will be a great starting point from who will follow him. Isn't Open Source about that? Take what others made and try to improve.. |
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| 13:47:20 | SSnake | *from = for |
| 13:47:45 | BigBambi | SSnake: Free time isn't the only criteria, it is just a relativly important one to take into account along with everything else |
| 13:48:07 | BigBambi | SSnake: And in this case thy are being paid - they have to earn that |
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| 13:48:52 | SSnake | as i told before... it's just about point of views. I have a different one, that's all. |
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| 13:49:24 | linuxstb | SSnake: So are you saying that the amount of time the student plans to devote to Rockbox is completely irrelevant? |
| 13:50:42 | bluebrother | the students have limited time, so it won't work if they have the time afterwards only ... |
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| 13:52:06 | pixelma | linuxstb: besides, usually I append the "only image conditional" lines in my WPS to the end anyways, so don't use them for the layout, hence wouldn't be affected. Not sure if it's a common practice but I guess I'm not the only one. |
| 13:53:33 | linuxstb | Yes, so I won't worry too much about breaking themes this way... |
| 13:55:45 | SSnake | yes, because a) if the students says for example i have 1 month maybe he will have 2 (or vice versa) (nobody knows future). b) maybe in just only 1 week the student will create some really gode code, later used by someone else who really needed it. |
| 13:55:54 | SSnake | i'd propose something like: |
| 13:57:54 | SSnake | choose the most relevant projects. Start them and see: if the students can't create something good in a reasonable period (1 month for example) stop the project and moneys. Else continue giving money. |
| 13:58:16 | linuxstb | SSnake: But then it's too late - we lose that project... |
| 13:59:09 | linuxstb | We want to try and decide in advance the students most likely to succeed. And I disagree if you think time available is irrelevant. |
| 13:59:10 | domonoky | SSnake: google give the money, we have to choose the student beforehand, we cant change the project or student while gsoc is running.. |
| 13:59:39 | SSnake | you don0't know. You are making assumptions again: maybe it will be a really good starting point for someone else. It's something the glass half empty or half full |
| 13:59:58 | SSnake | *something= something like |
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| 14:00:39 | BigBambi | But they have to do enough to justify the money |
| 14:01:08 | BigBambi | A good start is great in general, but when you are being paid, you have to produce enough to justify that money |
| 14:01:38 | BigBambi | And if a student does not have enough time to commit to it, they should not be applying for what is, essentially, a job |
| 14:02:16 | SSnake | of course, that's why i wrote to eventually stop if (for example every month) you don't proceed significately |
| 14:02:29 | BigBambi | After one month it is too late... |
| 14:02:42 | BigBambi | We need to know before |
| 14:02:42 | * | gevaerts agrees. GSoC is a summer job, with some extra constraints (only IT students |
| 14:02:49 | bluebrother | but exactly this (stop) will happen if you know in advance that the student won't have enough time |
| 14:03:09 | bluebrother | and playing like this is for sure something google won't like |
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| 14:03:12 | gevaerts | need apply, ...). It's not a spare time volunteer thing |
| 14:03:17 | BigBambi | If they have not got the 12 weeks free, they should not apply. I wouldn't apply for a job I wasn't sure I could turn up to |
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| 14:12:42 | SSnake | when you look for a job usually you give your CV, your recruiter says: hhmmm ok your CV is good, tomorrow you'll start (eventually a practice period). THEN if you don't work you are fired. I think nobody (in IT related works) asks you first: how much time do you plan to work fo the entire project? Usually in IT works you're supposed to accomplish your tasks in a timeframe. If you don't then you're fired. |
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| 14:14:05 | domonoky | SSnake: we cant just fire the student and get a new one... if the student doesnt do the job, we loose the google finance for the students project... |
| 14:14:30 | BigBambi | In your example you are expected to come in and work every day |
| 14:14:43 | SSnake | sorry for me being so "ostinate". That was my last sentence. Hope i've not offended anyone. |
| 14:14:45 | BigBambi | We are asking for the equivalent for the GSoC student |
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| 14:15:10 | BigBambi | You cannot apply for a job but say I may not be able to do this job very much in the next three months |
| 14:15:19 | gevaerts | There are usually also some other questions to see if the candidate fits the position, so the recruiter can see if the candidate is serious. I think asking if they will have time is part of that. |
| 14:16:21 | BigBambi | SSnake: And it is obstinate :) |
| 14:16:21 | SSnake | but you ask to the studend. That's ok. The recruiter doesn't make any assumption in that case. |
| 14:16:32 | BigBambi | That is what we are saying |
| 14:16:43 | SSnake | sorry i didn't check the eng word :P |
| 14:17:18 | BigBambi | Nobody was saying we guess how much time they are likely to spend |
| 14:17:25 | SSnake | sorry for all my grammar mistakes i'm italian :P I don't remember all the eng words |
| 14:17:35 | BigBambi | SSnake: It isn't a problem :) |
| 14:18:31 | * | gevaerts thinks that people who apologise for their bad english usually have better spelling and grammar than half of the native speakers |
| 14:19:06 | SSnake | ok guys now i think it's better to stop all this and come back coding :P |
| 14:19:20 | BigBambi | gevaerts: Very true |
| 14:19:24 | * | domonoky thinks we should delay the gsoc discussion till tomorrow, then we know if rockbox is accepted.. :-) |
| 14:19:33 | BigBambi | domonoky: A good point :) |
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| 14:23:02 | bluebrother | ok, anyone has an idea how to map something like \\.\PhysicalDrive0 to a list of attached drive letters on windows? |
| 14:23:19 | * | bluebrother wants to improve mountpoint resolving on windows in rbutil |
| 14:23:32 | * | linuxstb just hopes (assuming we're accepted) that we get some good students, with good project ideas... |
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| 14:36:17 | soap | pixelma, thank you for the correction in the forums regarding the H10 and CF. |
| 14:37:58 | ashes | HAPPY SAINT PATRICK'S DAY! |
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| 14:42:15 | pixelma | soap: welcome :) |
| 14:45:04 | linuxstb | ashes: That was yesterday (or two days ago, depending on timezone)... |
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| 14:48:10 | soap | yesterday was the ides, tomorrow is St. Patrick's day. |
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| 14:48:37 | linuxstb | The Catholic Church changed it this year... |
| 14:49:19 | gibbon_ | wow... to some extend i seem to have understood the rockbox menu macro system |
| 14:49:37 | gibbon_ | at least i got some menu entry doing something i was wanting it to |
| 14:49:37 | BigBambi | It gets changed when it falls during a holy week, such as this year. It'll be back to 17 March again until 2060 now |
| 14:51:24 | * | amiconn just experienced a viewport related wps bug |
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| 14:51:49 | linuxstb | amiconn: Please share... |
| 14:52:12 | amiconn | I'm just using the plain old rockbox_default wps, and Nimbus-12 as my user font |
| 14:52:33 | amiconn | Then I entered the debug menu (various screens which use the sysfont) |
| 14:52:49 | amiconn | After returning to the wps, it appeared with the sysfont |
| 14:53:18 | amiconn | The progressbar still was where it would be with the Nimbus-12 font height |
| 14:54:00 | amiconn | I guess this is because the wps just uses the default viewport, and doesn't expect other parts of the code to mess with this viewport's settings |
| 14:54:25 | linuxstb | That's how it's always been though - other parts messing with the default font. |
| 14:54:38 | amiconn | Not before viewports |
| 14:54:54 | linuxstb | Do you mean viewports-in-lists, or the lcd driver changes? |
| 14:55:11 | amiconn | The lcd driver changes |
| 14:55:53 | amiconn | I've never seen the wps switching to sysfont this way before viewports, e.g. when using the audio debug screen or similar |
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| 14:57:02 | linuxstb | Was it the debug screens' responsibility to restore the UI font? |
| 14:57:15 | amiconn | no |
| 14:57:33 | amiconn | It might be an effect of viewported lists though |
| 14:57:45 | kugel | amiconn: This issue? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8717 |
| 14:57:48 | linuxstb | Then I can't see how anything in the LCD driver could have changed this. The viewports-in-lists seem a more likely candidate... |
| 14:58:21 | amiconn | Before viewports, there was just one font setting, so the list (i.e. debug menu) used to restore the user font when exiting a screen that uses sysfont |
| 14:58:40 | linuxstb | And with viewports (in the lcd driver), there is still only one font setting - the font in the default viewport. |
| 14:58:53 | amiconn | But now the list doesn't restore the font setting in the default viewport anymore, bcause it doesn't need to |
| 14:59:05 | amiconn | huh? |
| 14:59:22 | amiconn | Each viewport has its own font setting afaik |
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| 15:00:11 | amiconn | The lists still use Nimbus-12, it's just the wps that's broken |
| 15:00:12 | linuxstb | Yes, it does. But before viewports-in-lists, there was only one viewport (unless the remote counts) |
| 15:00:26 | amiconn | [14:57:53] <amiconn> It might be an effect of viewported lists though |
| 15:01:51 | linuxstb | OK. I was confused about whether you were saying it was caused by just the lcd driver changes or not. |
| 15:03:02 | Slasheri | amiconn: finally a green delta from me :) |
| 15:03:32 | * | amiconn has a working, interrupt driven adc driver on his M3 :) |
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| 15:12:02 | * | linuxstb wonders why changing the volume in the sim causes nvram.bin and config.cfg to be opened, and if it's just a sim thing |
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| 15:13:50 | amiconn | Changing the volume saves settings, that's normal |
| 15:14:00 | amiconn | On target, it just registers the ata callback |
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| 15:14:25 | amiconn | (or saves in real nvram if available, i.e. on archos recorders) |
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| 16:19:58 | markun | Slasheri: nice commit |
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| 16:53:20 | gibbon_ | huhu |
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| 17:08:46 | amiconn | Slasheri: Do you know whether the new system works properly on hwcodec? |
| 17:09:17 | Slasheri | amiconn: no idea about that.. but i think so, please try it :) |
| 17:09:52 | amiconn | Can't try now, as I have no hwcodec target with me, but will probably do so tonight |
| 17:10:03 | Slasheri | ok, great |
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| 17:21:54 | amiconn | Nico_P: I am experiencing the nasty disk-access-after-every-track effect on my M3 |
| 17:22:28 | amiconn | last.fm support, "gather runtime data" and cuesheet support are all disabled |
| 17:22:35 | Nico_P | I thought that was fixed :/ |
| 17:22:57 | amiconn | Hmm, it might be database related. A logf might help to find out |
| 17:23:17 | amiconn | I don't experience it on my H180, but then I have dircache enabled on the H180, but not on the M3 |
| 17:23:39 | amiconn | The database is initialised, but I'm playing from filetree |
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| 17:36:48 | * | markun just did the least useful part of the Meizu M6 port: the FM tuner driver :) |
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| 17:57:00 | Robots | I have a *Panic* Stkov error on my Sansa e270. How do I make that go away? |
| 17:58:22 | linuxstb | Are you running an official version of Rockbox? i.e. one from www.rockbox.org ? And if so, is it the newest version? |
| 17:58:34 | Robots | yes, as far as I know |
| 17:58:42 | Robots | I installed it less than 2 weeks ago |
| 17:58:53 | Robots | and got the version from rockbox.org |
| 17:59:49 | linuxstb | New versions are released many times a day. Can you update to the latest and let us know if you still have the problem? |
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| 18:00:14 | linuxstb | (the latest is the one available via the Current Build page) |
| 18:00:38 | Robots | I cant turn off my player and when I hook it back up to my PC it doesnt recognize the player |
| 18:00:44 | Robots | can you tell me how to turn it off? |
| 18:00:52 | linuxstb | Hold the power button for about 10-15 seconds |
| 18:01:06 | Robots | ok, I'll try that |
| 18:01:08 | Robots | thanks |
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| 18:09:43 | markun | amiconn: are you there? |
| 18:09:54 | amiconn | yes |
| 18:10:06 | markun | can you take a look at the last post here? http://www.meizume.com/firmware/5567-rockbox-project-m6-13.html |
| 18:10:44 | markun | and tell me if you recognize which LCD driver IC the second block of SPI writes could belong to? |
| 18:10:54 | markun | (the M6TP part) |
| 18:11:29 | markun | The firts one matches the Samsung S6D0129/39 |
| 18:12:07 | amiconn | I have no idea |
| 18:12:17 | markun | ok, thanks anyway |
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| 18:16:13 | * | amiconn is more into simple, low-res, low-depth lcd controllers |
| 18:17:24 | amiconn | Bagder: ping |
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| 19:07:19 | gibbon_ | since the current svn buils, FM radio is disabled for my sansa (!?) |
| 19:09:07 | gibbon_ | and i don't see why it should |
| 19:10:04 | gibbon_ | in the main menu as well as in the recording sources |
| 19:11:12 | amiconn | Are you running your own modifications? |
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| 19:14:45 | gibbon_ | amiconn: nope, that was the official svn tree... i am having both current |
| 19:14:52 | GrooveStix | I was wondering... wouldn't it be a good idea to leave the users to decide what to do with their button configuration (on their mp3 players? or maybe give the users the option to change the default settings? |
| 19:15:11 | amiconn | It would be a very bad idea |
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| 19:15:19 | GrooveStix | for who? |
| 19:15:26 | amiconn | Configurable buttons were discussed countless times already |
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| 19:15:42 | GrooveStix | I see :) |
| 19:15:57 | GrooveStix | and what's the main argument against it anyway? |
| 19:16:57 | pixelma | gibbon_: was that once? I.e. what happens when you reboot? |
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| 19:18:46 | gibbon_ | pixelma: same |
| 19:19:04 | gibbon_ | pixelma: funny thing is... simulator for the same target works |
| 19:19:09 | gibbon_ | i am running another clean build |
| 19:19:14 | gibbon_ | maybe something went wrong |
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| 19:19:52 | bluebrother | GrooveStix: just think of supporting that |
| 19:20:10 | bluebrother | and what happenes if a user messes up the button configuration? |
| 19:21:23 | pixelma | gibbon_: I noticed that the FM entry sometimes just vanishes (reboot makes it reappear) on my c250 - but I can't test any builds currently (don't have the cable with me :\ ) |
| 19:22:00 | gibbon_ | pixelma: ok... |
| 19:22:25 | gibbon_ | pixelma: i will reinstall a fresh build and try again |
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| 19:23:38 | gevaerts | gibbon_: for what it's worth, I've seen the same thing (also on c250). |
| 19:23:48 | gibbon_ | pixelma: since i didn't have this problem yet... |
| 19:23:54 | gibbon_ | ok... thanks |
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| 19:24:51 | nenolod | hi, will the creative zvm port eventually work on a creative zen sleek photo? |
| 19:26:29 | gevaerts | nenolod: that depends on how similar the hardware is and on whether someone does the necessary work |
| 19:26:47 | GrooveStix | bluebrother: well if a user messes up the configuration, wouldn't it be possible to have a way to reset it? for example holding two buttons at the same time, or something like that? |
| 19:27:12 | bluebrother | and which buttons would these be if buttons are configureable? ;-) |
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| 19:27:30 | bluebrother | besides, I _really_ don't want to support such a thing or even try to describe it in the manual |
| 19:27:42 | nenolod | gevaerts, as far as i know all of the creative MTP players are the same basic hardware |
| 19:28:35 | GrooveStix | bluebrother: alright, then is there a way for us nerds to hack through the configuration? |
| 19:28:47 | BigBambi | GrooveStix: If someone is that bothered changing keymaps in the source is one of the easiest things to do |
| 19:28:57 | bluebrother | I think you just need to adjust the keymap |
| 19:29:19 | BigBambi | GrooveStix: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/keymaps/ |
| 19:29:36 | BigBambi | pick your file from in /aps/keymaps and get editing |
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| 19:30:50 | GrooveStix | very nice... I will! thanks... :) |
| 19:39:17 | gibbon_ | enabling the radio once in the OF worked |
| 19:39:36 | gibbon_ | the OF crashed, i rebooted to rockbox and it all was great again... sorry for the fuzz :/ |
| 19:39:46 | gibbon_ | i should stop panicing so easily |
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| 20:08:13 | alleyoopster | hi all, i was hoping someone might help with a problem after upgrading rockbox. I just replaced the .rockbox folder completely with the latest release r16682 on a 3g ipod, on rebooting I just get the backlight and the apple symbol. Tried it again with a fresh download and still have the same. Anyone have any clues as to the problem? thanks |
| 20:09:53 | linuxstb | Try holding the RIGHT button whilst booting - that should display some messages telling more about what's happening. |
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| 20:11:15 | alleyoopster | ok went too quick, the last message i saw was Rockbox loaded then it wsa blank |
| 20:11:40 | linuxstb | OK, so it seems Rockbox is loading, but then crashing immediately... |
| 20:12:13 | linuxstb | How old was the version of Rockbox you replaced? |
| 20:12:25 | alleyoopster | not very, in fact very recent |
| 20:12:33 | alleyoopster | i think 2 weeks |
| 20:13:09 | alleyoopster | i was wondering if the boot loader was ok, but i think we just verified that |
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| 20:19:30 | linuxstb | There used to be a problem (up to about a week ago) where random 1G-3G ipod builds would freeze. But that should have been fixed... |
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| 20:27:01 | alleyoopster | linuxstb: took it back to 16601 and all is ok again |
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| 20:28:10 | linuxstb | amiconn might be interested to know that - he's the one who investigated that bug... |
| 20:29:21 | linuxstb | Did you try other versions? |
| 20:29:56 | alleyoopster | This was the 3rd version I have had, the last 2 worked ok. |
| 20:31:04 | alleyoopster | i am hoping it is not a pod problem, I just noticed some artifacts on the screen on boot, not sure what this could be |
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| 20:32:23 | alleyoopster | although it is working fine and playing music on this older release, so I guess not |
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| 20:35:44 | alleyoopster | r16681 daily build also works ok |
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| 20:39:10 | alleyoopster | I have just gone through 3 builds and all work except r16682 on the 3g |
| 20:40:17 | alleyoopster | Do you happen to know the bug id? |
| 20:43:26 | linuxstb | What do you mean by bug id? |
| 20:44:09 | linuxstb | The commit that should have fixed it was r16547 |
| 20:45:17 | alleyoopster | amiconn investigated a bug, i was going to look on flyspray to post a comment on it. I am happy using another buildm but wanted to make someone aware of the problem |
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| 20:45:58 | linuxstb | No, I don't know that bug number. But I'm sure he'll read your comments here in the IRC log. |
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| 20:46:12 | linuxstb | In any case, the bug will be closed, so you couldn't comment... |
| 20:46:16 | alleyoopster | ok i'll leave it at that, thanks for your help |
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| 22:03:43 | gibbon_ | eveninig |
| 22:05:10 | * | gevaerts finally won his fight against C function pointer syntax (by cheating, but still...) |
| 22:06:07 | gevaerts | gibbon_: hello |
| 22:06:42 | gibbon_ | gevaerts: i guess cheating is ok if the one you are cheating on is related to pointers in C |
| 22:07:24 | gibbon_ | hello to you too |
| 22:08:27 | gevaerts | gibbon_: I couldn't figure out (maybe I'm too tired this weekend) how to make an array of function pointers. However, since I have two of those (different functions, same index), I put them in a struct and made an array of that. Looks just as clean, and it works |
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| 22:10:24 | * | gevaerts likes working with pointers in general, but gets easily confused by C function pointer syntax |
| 22:10:25 | markun | gevaerts: btw, your meizu m6 will be black. Would you have prefered white? |
| 22:10:30 | gibbon_ | i remember that there were problems with arrays as arguments of functions... |
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| 22:10:47 | gevaerts | markun: No problem. I'd probably choose black if I saw two side by side |
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| 22:12:23 | * | gevaerts finds another array with the same index, and adds it to the struct. |
| 22:12:34 | markun | gevaerts: also, the M3 is so simlar inside that we get a port to it almost for free after the M6 |
| 22:12:53 | linuxstb | So we'll support two M3s? |
| 22:13:03 | markun | ah, yes.. :) |
| 22:13:08 | markun | will be confusing |
| 22:13:15 | linuxstb | You're too late - amiconn got there first ;) |
| 22:13:50 | gevaerts | Maybe we can figure out how to use the M3 remote on the M3 ? |
| 22:15:03 | markun | the Meizu M3 shares some components with the M6SP and the rest with the M6SL. Only the 176x132 display is different |
| 22:15:35 | linuxstb | Is it colour? |
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| 22:15:49 | markun | yes |
| 22:15:57 | linuxstb | That's handy then - same as the Nano |
| 22:15:58 | markun | it's the same screen as the ipod nano 2g |
| 22:16:16 | amiconn | And also the nano G1? At least same resolution |
| 22:16:24 | markun | does the nano have a S6D0123 driver IC? |
| 22:16:30 | amiconn | no |
| 22:16:33 | markun | (at least that's what I now think is used) |
| 22:16:39 | markun | http://www.meizume.com/firmware/5567-rockbox-project-m6-13.html |
| 22:16:56 | amiconn | It has HD66789R, same as (part of) the ipod colour, and the H300 |
| 22:17:29 | markun | but I couldn't find the datasheet but it's just very similar to the other Samsung LCD drivers. |
| 22:17:53 | markun | -but (either of them) |
| 22:19:46 | amiconn | Slasheri: Anything specific that would indicate something being wrong wth the event mechanism? |
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| 22:22:48 | Slasheri | amiconn: runtime stats not getting updated or settings not saving. otherwise it should work |
| 22:23:05 | Merthsoft | iriver h340, should I get it? I have an h20 right now, and it's kind of poopy (hdd is going, as is battery)... Basically, as far as a good player to have, and that can have rockbox on it, and isn't an ipod, what do you dudes suggest? |
| 22:23:39 | linuxstb | The h340 is a decent player (although relatively bulky) |
| 22:23:52 | linuxstb | (and runs Rockbox very well) |
| 22:23:57 | markun | Merthsoft: depends what you want. A gigabeat F40 is not very expensive and good for audio playback |
| 22:24:07 | markun | but no recording or radio |
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| 22:24:39 | linuxstb | Merthsoft: You may want to read through this thread - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15633.0 |
| 22:24:48 | RexDart | quick Q: I know you can change the rockbox splash image, but can you change the grey behind it? |
| 22:26:15 | linuxstb | RexDart: Are you running an official version of Rockbox? |
| 22:26:45 | RexDart | Indeedly-do |
| 22:27:00 | RexDart | Is that a feature of patched versions? |
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| 22:28:08 | scorche | (it is really blue) ;) |
| 22:28:08 | linuxstb | Yes, there are patches to allow you to change the splash. |
| 22:28:30 | * | amiconn has run into a problem with the M3 adc driver :\ |
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| 22:29:48 | Merthsoft | what would someone mean when they say: "We don't have USB OTG yet |
| 22:29:50 | Merthsoft | " |
| 22:30:28 | gevaerts | Merthsoft: just that ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_On-The-Go |
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| 22:31:31 | Merthsoft | oh, so it just means the device can initiate a transfer? |
| 22:32:17 | gevaerts | Merthsoft: basically it means that it can switch between device and host mode as needed. In the rockbox context, it mostly means that there is no host-side code at all yet. |
| 22:33:13 | markun | so you can't connect a USB stick or card-reader to your player for example |
| 22:33:38 | Merthsoft | ah, ok |
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| 22:34:28 | Merthsoft | hmm, well, it seems a 340 is only a little bigger than the h20, and since i'm not too concerned about USB OTG, or flashability, it looks like it wins out over the H100 series... |
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| 22:34:56 | gevaerts | Anyone here who could test some PP502x code with MacOSX or Vista ? |
| 22:35:28 | countrymonkey | Could fs#8716 be committed? |
| 22:37:12 | gevaerts | Merthsoft: We don't do usb host yet on _any_ target, but it might eventually get there for h300 (except the US version I believe). The h100 will never get it (the hardware doesn't support it) |
| 22:37:23 | Merthsoft | oh, well then |
| 22:37:50 | gevaerts | So missing OTG is certainly not an argument against the h300 |
| 22:37:56 | markun | countrymonkey: I wonder if it's clear what the pinyin means without specifying the tone. |
| 22:37:58 | Merthsoft | hmm... so i should get a not US version if I feel the want for OTG maybe? |
| 22:38:41 | countrymonkey | The tone is specified. In "on" and "off", it means 1st sound. If pinyin numerals or accent marks are not specified, it means the first sound. |
| 22:39:07 | amiconn | gevaerts: The schematics which we were pointed to yesterday are a great help for getting the otg stack running on H300 |
| 22:39:31 | amiconn | Iirc petur said he had problems getting Vbus enabled, so the stack waited forever for that condition |
| 22:39:32 | markun | I didn't know that. I thought it was neutral without a tone number (like "ma" or "le") |
| 22:39:44 | amiconn | Now I know how to enable Vbus |
| 22:40:16 | markun | countrymonkey: should the language file now be renamed to mandarin.lang? :) |
| 22:40:28 | countrymonkey | At least in manderin that's how it goes. |
| 22:40:54 | gevaerts | amiconn: That's excellent news. So maybe we should convince petur to continue working on it ;) |
| 22:40:55 | countrymonkey | No, because it is still using chinese-simp and trad glyffs for the non sysfont strings. |
| 22:41:40 | countrymonkey | I didn't know how to do the sysfont stuff, so I opted to use the most popular dialect which is oddly enough the one I speak. |
| 22:42:32 | gevaerts | Merthsoft: there are no guarantees that it will ever work (although it will work in the OF of course), but it might be something to consider (if it doesn't make too much difference in price) |
| 22:42:56 | Merthsoft | i'm not too worried about it, to be honest |
| 22:43:18 | Merthsoft | and it looks like there are only 2 listings on ebay, and i assume they're both american |
| 22:44:43 | countrymonkey | So does that mean "Yes, it can be committed?" |
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| 22:46:38 | markun | countrymonkey: did you see my PMs? |
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| 22:47:35 | markun | I don't mind committing it if nobody objects |
| 22:48:18 | countrymonkey | No. |
| 22:48:23 | scorche | markun: he cant reply back to your PMs unless you change your nick settings |
| 22:48:45 | countrymonkey | I use the little web aplit on rockbox.org. |
| 22:48:46 | markun | scorche: someone must have changed my settings then |
| 22:49:01 | markun | countrymonkey: on the bottom you should see a tab with [markun] in it |
| 22:50:48 | pixelma | if I use the webclient, the tab is on the top... |
| 22:50:58 | countrymonkey | Yes it is. |
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| 22:52:20 | bluebrother | scorche: sure about the PM thing? AFAIK the one starting the chat needs to be registered only |
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| 22:52:46 | scorche | bluebrother: sometimes it works, most of the time it doesnt |
| 22:52:55 | bluebrother | oh. Good to know |
| 22:53:02 | scorche | i just dont bother figuring it out so i set myself unfiltered |
| 22:53:33 | Desensitizer | Anyone know the ideal time for spindown on an iPod harddrive, safety/damaging/increasing it's life. |
| 22:55:10 | Desensitizer | Anyone know the ideal time for spindown on an iPod harddrive, safety/damaging/increasing it's life. |
| 22:55:18 | Desensitizer | |
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| 22:57:08 | Desensitizer | Anyone who feels qualified enough to answer: What is the optimal iPod spin-down speed. |
| 22:58:14 | gevaerts | Desensitizer: please don't keep repeating that question. You'll get an answer if and when someone knows it, but you need some patience |
| 22:58:26 | countrymonkey | Does the sysfont handle accent marks? |
| 22:58:48 | linuxstb | countrymonkey: No |
| 22:59:02 | countrymonkey | That's what I thought. |
| 22:59:43 | linuxstb | I may be wrong - I think it has a small number of accented letters... |
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| 23:01:18 | amiconn | Sysfont is full iso8859-1 atm |
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| 23:02:45 | * | linuxstb should check things before answering... |
| 23:03:43 | Desensitizer | gevaerts: I wasn't trying to be rude. I run NoScript in my Firefox custom-build and I just wanted to make sure it wasn't blocking all of the IRC features since it was acting weirder than most web-based IRC's. |
| 23:04:10 | Desensitizer | So I allowed javascript/flash, and reloaded, and re-asked. |
| 23:04:48 | Desensitizer | Then waited like I am now for someone to answer :] |
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| 23:06:41 | Merthsoft | alright, well, thanks for the suggestions guys, see ya |
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| 23:11:34 | * | amiconn just experienced the "rockbox repeats track, although playlist position advances" bug on his M3 :( |
| 23:12:09 | * | gevaerts thinks that a port that gets that bug shows promise. It means lots of other stuff is working |
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| 23:14:52 | amiconn | hmpf |
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| 23:17:39 | gevaerts | I added my "dummy USB audio" patch as FS #8747. Testing with lots of different operating systems is welcome (I'd like both reports on whether it works or causes problems, and opinions on whether it's better than the current way) |
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| 23:24:37 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Does your ipod actually charge using this patch? |
| 23:26:11 | gevaerts | linuxstb: I only actually tried this one on the sansa, but since this patch doesn't actually change charge behaviour I assume that it still won't. Did charging work properly before I started playing with USB ? |
| 23:26:36 | linuxstb | I don't think so, but I always used the emergency disk mode... |
| 23:27:01 | linuxstb | But it definitely doesn't work now - leaving my ipod attached to my PC in your disk mode will drain the battery. |
| 23:27:41 | amiconn | of course, but that's not a problem of the usb side of things |
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| 23:28:30 | amiconn | The usb stack requests the necessary power - but unless we also set up the charger correctly, the device won't actually consume the requested power |
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| 23:29:02 | amiconn | That's a problem of the neglected power management |
| 23:29:19 | * | gevaerts points fingers to Someone Else |
| 23:30:20 | amiconn | This problem does not only exist on ipods, it also applies to iaudio X5/M5, and most probably others |
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| 23:34:38 | Bagder | one of our not so happy users: |
| 23:34:41 | Bagder | http://adinemrd.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/some-days-i-really-dislike-open-source-software/ |
| 23:35:02 | Bagder | and one of the happy kind: |
| 23:35:04 | Bagder | http://cheetah-spotty.livejournal.com/67106.html |
| 23:36:09 | Llorean | It "locked up like a drum"? |
| 23:36:30 | Llorean | Oh. |
| 23:36:45 | Llorean | Wait, I'm thinking musical instrument, I suppose. |
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| 23:39:02 | Bagder | now what kind of drum locks up? |
| 23:39:16 | * | Bagder reads http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_%28disambiguation%29 |
| 23:39:57 | * | gevaerts wonders if that second one is running a usb-enabled build (no more MTP), or just didn't manage to get it in MSC mode previously |
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| 23:40:29 | * | amiconn hates the coldfire i2c module |
| 23:40:48 | DefineByte | drum as in 'tight' |
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| 23:41:59 | Bagder | and that's about the most useful stuff I got out of that posting ;-) |
| 23:42:32 | Llorean | Bagder: Brake drum? |
| 23:42:50 | Llorean | Still, that blog entry reads to me very much as if he didn't try an official build. |
| 23:43:04 | gevaerts | Could be the machine gun drum as well (I guess those can lock up too) |
| 23:43:11 | Llorean | Vorbis not working, Ugly UI 5 days ago, and "tried two versions before I could get it to work" |
| 23:43:27 | * | pixelma wonders what the real problem with his ogg files is... wrong tag format? Whatever, he doesn't seem to be interested in fixing so don't know how honest he's about open source anyways... |
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| 23:44:37 | Llorean | Apparently it gave a message "ogg decode error." |
| 23:44:40 | Llorean | Can Rockbox even give that message? |
| 23:45:09 | * | amiconn only knows 'Codec error' |
| 23:45:26 | * | pikhq is tempted to do a strings on his Rockbox binaries. . . |
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| 23:46:33 | Llorean | amiconn: Maybe there are some internal error messages in the codec? |
| 23:46:38 | DefineByte | he probably tried to put a 64MB 5G build on a 30GB Video or something like that. |
| 23:46:51 | Llorean | the whole post seems kinda dubious to me. |
| 23:47:07 | pixelma | DefineByte: ah yes, good point |
| 23:47:25 | pikhq | If he wanted *help*, then he could've actually shown the error in full. . . |
| 23:47:46 | DefineByte | I think he'd given up at that point. Short attention span. |
| 23:48:02 | Llorean | He also said our UI tries to emulate the iPod one. |
| 23:48:10 | BigBambi | I hope not |
| 23:48:11 | Llorean | I don't really see much "iPod" in our current UI. |
| 23:48:16 | Llorean | Like, at all. |
| 23:48:35 | pikhq | BTW, the string in question? Not in vorbis.codec. |
| 23:48:37 | DefineByte | Well, it's white with black text isn't it (used to be?)? |
| 23:48:39 | BigBambi | If we start trying to emulate the iPod I'm uninstalling :P |
| 23:48:48 | bluebrother | hehe, "the thing they call user interface" :) |
| 23:49:04 | amiconn | bah |
| 23:49:09 | DefineByte | I don't think a reaction like that is unheard of. |
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| 23:49:16 | amiconn | Rockbox _again_ repeated a song |
| 23:49:18 | Llorean | DefineByte: It's dark gray with white text these days |
| 23:49:26 | pixelma | DefineByte: no, it's not anymore (if he installed it like this month) |
| 23:49:37 | JdGordon|uni | amiconn: again is redunadant :D |
| 23:49:42 | pikhq | I gotta say, I like the new theme. |
| 23:49:46 | Llorean | The date on the post is March 11, one would hope it was installed this month, otherwise he's a really, really slow blogger on these things |
| 23:49:51 | amiconn | JdGordon: Not in this case |
| 23:50:04 | amiconn | It already repeated a song earlier in the same album |
| 23:50:07 | DefineByte | I always use my own theme so I don't notice these things. :) |
| 23:50:24 | pikhq | Llorean: That tells me that he really, truly sucks. ;) |
| 23:50:33 | gevaerts | Llorean: Seeing the length of his average blog post, he might actually have a huge backlog |
| 23:50:33 | pikhq | The new default is actually a fairly beautiful theme. |
| 23:50:45 | Llorean | DefineByte: If you've got a current build, save your settings and then clear them, see what you think of the default. |
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| 23:51:08 | DefineByte | I can't use the default. I need a much larger font size. |
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| 23:52:03 | pikhq | At least take a look at it. |
| 23:52:06 | DefineByte | An official 'large font' theme would be neat. :) |
| 23:52:20 | Llorean | Well the new default has a somewhat larger size, but it's probably not large enough for you if you describe your needs as actually "large" |
| 23:52:38 | DefineByte | as large as I can get away with |
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| 23:54:45 | linuxstb | JdGordon|uni: Any objection to me changing your use of "name" to "label" in your multi-font description? To distinguish those labels from the actual font names? And I'm assuming (from your comment about theme authors using the same names) those labels are arbitrary? |
| 23:55:04 | pikhq | Hmm. That's peculiar. |
| 23:55:07 | Bagder | here's another gem: "I?ve uninstalled Rockbox. Nothing like making it simple. You have to read a fucking manual in order to shuffle songs." |
| 23:55:07 | DefineByte | Looks okay but I don't think I could use it. :) |
| 23:55:12 | JdGordon|uni | linuxstb: no prob with that at all |
| 23:55:20 | JdGordon|uni | and yes, they are arbitrary |
| 23:55:31 | Bagder | (http://ghost.internalbleeding.net/?p=776) |
| 23:55:32 | JdGordon|uni | although if that scheme is used we shuold come up with a standard set |
| 23:55:42 | Llorean | Bagder: Unless there's a button labeled "shuffle" on the player, I've always had to guess or read to shuffle songs. =/ |
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| 23:55:52 | pikhq | My Sansa, when plugged in, no longer reboots into the default firmware. . . |
| 23:56:05 | pikhq | Did someone get the USB code working in the past couple of weeks or something? |
| 23:57:21 | pixelma | pikhq: this happens in some builds since the beginning for me... |
| 23:57:23 | pikhq | No; it's just not doing the whole 'reboot into the builtin firmware when plugged into USB' thing anymore. |
| 23:57:49 | * | pikhq mutters about the stubbed-out USB charging code being flakey |
| 23:58:19 | gevaerts | pikhq: yes and no. In the official build it should still reboot, but you can get mostly-working native rockbox usb on custom builds |
| 23:58:36 | pikhq | gevaerts: I'm using the official build. |
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