| 00:01:18 | midgey | Klevi: I hacked up the rockboy lcd code a bit to support the 4th gen. I never got it to a stage where I thought it was ready to be committed. I believe it's somewhere on the tracker |
| 00:02:03 | midgey | ah yes, FS #7546 |
| 00:03:00 | midgey | i think i'll spend some time after finals to get it in a committable state and then commit it to svn |
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| 00:03:31 | Klevi | midgey: I could try compileing it myself though? |
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| 00:04:02 | midgey | Klevi: sure, like i said the patch is on the tracker |
| 00:04:21 | Klevi | *nods* okay. I'll try it. |
| 00:04:45 | midgey | i'd expect it to still apply cleanly; i don't think there have been any changes to rockboy since i posted the patch |
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| 00:04:58 | Klevi | *nods again* |
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| 00:16:46 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Have you seen the 1g ROM dump? |
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| 00:17:29 | amiconn | That was quick... |
| 00:17:34 | * | amiconn fetches the dump |
| 00:18:10 | linuxstb_ | Seems to be missing the HwVr block that the other images have... |
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| 00:20:36 | pixelma | is someone else able to view the diffs from the svn tables, for me it tries to open the page but after a while stops... |
| 00:21:14 | bluebrother | pixelma: on the front page? Works for me. |
| 00:21:16 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes, and the HwId is ascii |
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| 00:21:56 | * | amiconn wonders how to handle that special rom... :/ |
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| 00:22:10 | pixelma | bluebrother: yes, I meant the frontpage (also "last 12 months") |
| 00:22:45 | * | bluebrother discovers a stupid error upon his last commit |
| 00:22:46 | pixelma | ah, works again now, seems like complaining aloud helped... |
| 00:22:55 | Klevi_busy | Lol |
| 00:23:07 | crzyboyster | The picture of the mrobe 100 on the builds pages http://www.rockbox.org/playerpics/mrobe100-small.png looks too 2D... and all the others have a more clip-arty look to them. |
| 00:23:23 | bluebrother | doing commits half-asleep isn't a good idea at all ... :( |
| 00:23:52 | bluebrother | crzyboyster: we don't have a svg (which is the base for the others) for the mrobe yet |
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| 00:24:18 | scorche|sh | bluebrother: svgs are the base for the others? |
| 00:24:43 | scorche|sh | oh...heh..ignore me |
| 00:24:47 | pixelma | bluebrother: could it be that tex doesn't like "\opt" broken into 2 lines? |
| 00:24:51 | bluebrother | yes. The svgs from the manual are used to create pdf and png images |
| 00:24:56 | * | scorche|sh was thinking back to when we had actual images |
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| 00:25:26 | crzyboyster | Did someone crop the edges of the mrobe pic? |
| 00:25:39 | bluebrother | at some point I scaled non-labelled images down for the website |
| 00:25:48 | scorche|sh | crzyboyster: it will be fixed.. |
| 00:26:05 | bluebrother | the mrobe manual also lacks the button labels. We need an svg ... |
| 00:26:14 | crzyboyster | My bad... |
| 00:26:19 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: There is another way to get the hw revision though... |
| 00:26:23 | bluebrother | pixelma: it should work as long as the braces are balanced |
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| 00:26:28 | amiconn | linuxstb: oh? |
| 00:26:45 | pixelma | bluebrother: there must be another reason, trying to find out why the virtual keyboard button table doesn't work in the c200 manual (anymore, I think) |
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| 00:27:15 | bluebrother | pixelma: in svn? |
| 00:27:22 | Dindojul | amiconn: hi did you found my file? |
| 00:27:36 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: The Apple bootloader places a "sysinfo" struct at the end of IRAM. Rockbox should be saving this and restoring it for Rolo to work with the original firmware. I tried some hacks to test it a while ago, and it didn't fix rolo'ing the original firmware, but it did seem to get a little further. |
| 00:27:40 | Klevi_busy | pixelma: You mean for typing a file name out type scenario? |
| 00:28:01 | amiconn | Dindojul: Yes, looking at it right now... |
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| 00:28:15 | pixelma | bluebrother: yes, you can see it in the online manual (or rather not see the table). I'm quite sure I committed a patch once that enabled it... |
| 00:28:17 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: If you have a copy of the ipodlinux SVN, there's some code to process it in tools/ipodloader2/ipodhw.c |
| 00:29:22 | crzyboyster | Shouldn't the "M:Robe 100" be called the "m:robe 100" pretty much everywhere on the site? Even Olympus has it in lowercase > http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_product_robe.asp?product=1145 |
| 00:29:26 | amiconn | The question is whether this old ROM fills this struct |
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| 00:33:35 | crzyboyster | What does everyone think of the "m:robe:100" change idea? |
| 00:33:50 | * | shotofadds thinks getting tick tasks working on the D2 is progress enough for one day and goes to bed... |
| 00:33:52 | bluebrother | crzyboyster: patience ... |
| 00:34:40 | crzyboyster | As in what? Wait for people to respond? |
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| 00:35:10 | amiconn | linuxstb: I think doing the same in rockbox sounds like a good idea |
| 00:35:15 | bluebrother | yup |
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| 00:37:04 | bluebrother | besides, we should unify the usage of names in general. The manual uses Ipod while the front page iPod |
| 00:37:08 | amiconn | linuxstb: Maybe we should just not touch the last 256 bytes of iram on ipods? |
| 00:37:29 | bluebrother | similar for iAudio vs. Iaudio etc. |
| 00:37:51 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: That seems sensible (and simpler than copying it somewhere else). |
| 00:37:59 | * | amiconn thinks we should use the manufacturer's spelling |
| 00:38:08 | amiconn | That is, iPod and iAudio, but Iriver |
| 00:38:25 | bluebrother | IIRC Iriver was changed to iriver later |
| 00:38:56 | bluebrother | there was some discussion about this during the beginnings of the LaTeX manual |
| 00:38:59 | * | linuxstb_ remembers a long debate about Ipod/iPod... |
| 00:39:08 | pixelma | I'm all for just typing everything with the first character uppercase, just like every name... |
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| 00:39:43 | * | scorche|sh votes for using manufacturer's spelling except in cases like the wiki page names where it is impossible |
| 00:39:49 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: I agree - "iPod" is just silly... |
| 00:40:12 | scorche|sh | if that is what they call it, then that is what it is... |
| 00:40:15 | amiconn | linuxstb: Otoh, iram is more valuable than sdram |
| 00:40:56 | pixelma | scorche|sh: and what is with iRiver vs. iriver (I think that was how they changed, I could be wrong but there were changes) |
| 00:41:01 | * | linuxstb_ suggests writing the whole manual in capital letters to avoid this issue |
| 00:41:12 | Klevi_busy | Lol |
| 00:41:21 | scorche|sh | pixelma: afaik, iriver is now correct |
| 00:41:21 | bluebrother | linuxstb_: why not use lower case letters only? ;-) |
| 00:41:39 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: That could work as well ;) |
| 00:42:03 | bluebrother | following the manufacturers spelling would require us to change our spelling every time the manufacturer chooses to change it. |
| 00:42:12 | linuxstb_ | Hence the \dap macro... |
| 00:42:32 | bluebrother | yep, that makes such things much easier. |
| 00:43:10 | bluebrother | but regardless of the way we write it it should be consistent. I.e. the website should follow the same convention as the manual |
| 00:43:22 | * | bluebrother got used to write "Ipod" |
| 00:43:32 | scorche|sh | they dont change *that* often |
| 00:43:54 | scorche|sh | sed would be handy as well (depending on what it is run on) |
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| 00:46:34 | bluebrother | yes ... my major point is that we should be consistent. |
| 00:46:59 | scorche|sh | i agree.. |
| 00:47:29 | linuxstb_ | We _were_ consistent, but it seems the wiki has been gradually changed to become inconsistent... |
| 00:47:42 | linuxstb_ | (someone didn't get the memo) |
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| 00:48:19 | bluebrother | oh, at least parts of the arguments are at LatexGuidelinesTalk |
| 00:48:23 | pixelma | yes, that's the first discussion I remember (talking to LambdaCalculus here) |
| 00:48:58 | bluebrother | I don't think the front page followed the conventions we had set up for the manual at all |
| 00:49:14 | pixelma | changing some Iaudios to iAUDIOS (which IMO even looks ugly... sorry couldn't resist) |
| 00:49:39 | bluebrother | iAUDIOS? |
| 00:50:01 | crzyboyster | Yes, the manufactur's name in this case... |
| 00:50:11 | pixelma | without the "s"... |
| 00:50:20 | bluebrother | urgh. |
| 00:50:31 | crzyboyster | It's a give and take situation |
| 00:50:42 | linuxstb_ | crzyboyster: The issue is that we don't accept that manufacturers can change the rules of English... |
| 00:50:43 | crzyboyster | And yes, iAUDIO looks ugly beyond anything |
| 00:50:45 | scorche|sh | urgh indeed...but technically, iAUDIO *is* correct |
| 00:51:17 | pixelma | scorche|sh: not if you only use it as name :P |
| 00:51:18 | bluebrother | scorche|sh: thread hijacking? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15941.msg119559#msg119559 |
| 00:51:20 | crzyboyster | Well, they're the manufacturers... if they didn't make the players, we wouldn't have had rockbox on it, would be have? |
| 00:51:31 | linuxstb_ | crzyboyster: So? |
| 00:51:33 | BigBambi | And? |
| 00:51:52 | scorche|sh | bluebrother: eh? |
| 00:51:53 | bluebrother | crzyboyster: that doesn't require us to follow their stupid name writing "philosophy" |
| 00:52:10 | crzyboyster | It's their naming choice. (Sorry, wow I started a fire) |
| 00:52:16 | * | linuxstb_ won't mention that the wiki writes LaTeX... ;) |
| 00:52:23 | bluebrother | scorche|sh: should I consider this hijacking? It has nothing to do with the original thread |
| 00:52:30 | scorche|sh | pixelma: eh...they get to pick their own name..if it is their choice then who are we to say they are wrong? |
| 00:52:42 | * | bluebrother points linuxstb_ to \LaTeX{} ;-) |
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| 00:54:11 | scorche|sh | bluebrother: as it says in his signature, he is 11...but yes, he could use a scolding and an urging not to ask for "hacks" and to create new threads |
| 00:54:47 | bluebrother | well, I could also add to my sig that I'm 11 ... IMO that tells nothing. |
| 00:55:41 | scorche|sh | i was just saying that to indicate it was likely non-malicious |
| 00:56:13 | scorche|sh | and it is just a kid who needs to be told how things work 'round these parts |
| 00:56:52 | bluebrother | hasn't he been told this a couple of times already? |
| 00:57:37 | scorche|sh | likely...we may need to be a bit harsher in the future on him if this continues.. |
| 00:57:39 | Llorean | I don't think he's been explained the nature of "on-topic" though |
| 00:57:51 | bluebrother | but I might be as well be a bit too tired for good judgement here. |
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| 00:58:01 | Llorean | With younger people, you're probably going to need to cover each new rule violation from scratch. |
| 00:58:22 | * | bluebrother sighs |
| 00:58:49 | crzyboyster | I'm under the age of say, 16... and I guess I do need a few pointers every now and then |
| 00:58:49 | Klevi_busy | brb |
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| 00:58:52 | Llorean | Then again, I'm pretty sure when registering for the Rockbox forums you agree that you're 13+ |
| 00:59:14 | crzyboyster | I'm above 13... |
| 00:59:17 | scorche|sh | Llorean: that is true |
| 00:59:32 | Llorean | So he really shouldn't be on our forums |
| 00:59:41 | bluebrother | why the 13+? Is there a special reason for choosing 13? |
| 00:59:46 | scorche|sh | US law |
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| 01:00:18 | bluebrother | what does the law tell? You must not use internet forums if less than 13? |
| 01:00:36 | roolku | bluebrother: what do you mean by missing button labels? http://haxx.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-mrobe100/rockbox_interface/images/mrobe100-front.png |
| 01:00:46 | scorche|sh | COPPA |
| 01:00:48 | scorche|sh | thats it |
| 01:00:58 | bluebrother | a bit OT: http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20080227.jpg ;-) |
| 01:01:08 | bluebrother | how good our forums aren't that way |
| 01:01:10 | * | BigBambi goes to google COPPA |
| 01:01:14 | pixelma | scorche|sh: what's wrong in spelling a name just as a usual name, not like the manufacturer tries to. I don't think it's telling them they are wrong, it's just neutral... (not a strong opinion here and not a native speaker) |
| 01:02:08 | bluebrother | roolku: interesting −− the last time I looked those were missing. |
| 01:02:17 | bluebrother | seems I overlooked something. |
| 01:02:45 | Llorean | bluebrother: You can't register for any website if you're below 13 without consent from your parents, which pretty much has to take the form of a written signed letter. |
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| 01:02:53 | scorche|sh | pixelma: i just look at it as if our name was RockBoX, i would like that to be respected and called as we intended...on reviews and popular sites, i would attempt to correct spellings to how we named it |
| 01:03:21 | bluebrother | Llorean: ok, thanks for the info |
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| 01:04:11 | Llorean | bluebrother: It's a "Child protection" thing. Online predators, etc. |
| 01:05:11 | scorche|sh | Llorean: well, we have an excuse for a permanent ban then should we need it.. |
| 01:05:34 | bluebrother | ok ... but shouldn't we then address the fact that he claims to be under the required age? |
| 01:05:41 | bluebrother | i.e. pm him about this? |
| 01:05:49 | scorche|sh | technically, yes |
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| 01:07:28 | Febs | I suspect that since he no longer has an iPod and now has a Sansa Clip for which no "hacks" are available, he won't be on the forum much more anyway. |
| 01:07:52 | bluebrother | I'll leave that for our forum admins and go for some sleep now :) |
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| 01:12:08 | Llorean | I'll "notice" it if he continues posting problematically, I suppose. |
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| 01:30:52 | Klevi | I have a heads up to those that itd concern about Mpeg player, Winff's download for version .291 has been moved. |
| 01:31:07 | Klevi | its no longer found on biggmatt.com |
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| 01:32:33 | pixelma | changing things in one tree and compiling in the other won't show me if they have an effect... too tired, one can tell... night |
| 01:32:50 | Klevi | Night pixelma |
| 01:33:08 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: You're not the first to do that... |
| 01:33:08 | Klevi | Winffs download page is here: http://www.winff.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=60 |
| 01:33:54 | pixelma | linuxstb: thanks :) |
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| 01:37:50 | amiconn | grah |
| 01:38:22 | amiconn | Same thing as yesterday - build system doesn't pick up a commit :( |
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| 01:49:54 | Klevi | hm |
| 01:50:28 | Klevi | Does anyone know what a proper sample rate would be for Audio Conversion to MPEG2 (Winff) |
| 01:51:53 | linuxstb_ | What device are you running Rockbox on? |
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| 01:52:22 | amiconn | mepgplayer resamples, so any rate should work |
| 01:52:35 | Klevi | Ipod 4th gen grayscale |
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| 01:53:41 | Klevi | Winff says, this −−> http://www.pastebin.ca/948305 |
| 01:54:26 | Klevi | I tried leaveing it blank, as well. said that value was also invalid for Mpeg 2 |
| 01:55:16 | cool_walking_ | I just use 44100 |
| 01:55:25 | linuxstb_ | Rockbox will resample it to 44100, so you may as well use that... |
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| 01:57:22 | Klevi | there we go, converting. |
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| 02:40:31 | JdGordon | anyone got a good name (thats not playlist) for .m3u files? |
| 02:40:52 | JdGordon | or a better name than playlist for the "current playlist"? |
| 02:41:38 | Klevi | hm |
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| 02:41:49 | cool_walking_ | Current queued tracks? |
| 02:41:51 | Klevi | try Songs I like.m3u |
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| 02:42:00 | cool_walking_ | I don' |
| 02:42:06 | cool_walking_ | t thing that's what he's asking... |
| 02:42:08 | Klevi | Songs i listen to with half an ear.m3u <- Lol |
| 02:42:36 | Klevi | Oh |
| 02:42:43 | JdGordon | yeah, im talking about what the file is.. not what to name it |
| 02:42:48 | Klevi | Sorry |
| 02:42:49 | Klevi | ^^ |
| 02:42:57 | JdGordon | playlists is nice and generic, but we need a way to tell which we are tlaking about |
| 02:44:50 | cool_walking_ | maybe qualify "playlist" with something... "m3u playlist" vs "(I can't think of another word than) current playlist" |
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| 02:45:43 | JdGordon | its too long though |
| 02:46:00 | JdGordon | need this in the code... having more than 1 name is irritating |
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| 02:50:41 | cool_walking_ | schedule, programme, sequence, etc. all sound terrible.. |
| 02:51:22 | cool_walking_ | Can you coin a word? :) |
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| 03:12:19 | webguest88 | Hi all....a stupid question for a gigabeat owner out there.....does the F40 remote work in an F20????? |
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| 03:42:38 | webguest20 | hi guys....just wondering if someone has tried to use the gigabeat F40 remote with the F20????? |
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| 03:43:29 | krazykit | webguest20, i believe it should work fine. |
| 03:44:27 | webguest20 | sweet......Im gonna go find out how much they are......thanks......questions been on my mind for quite a while now...... |
| 03:53:31 | Beta2K | There's no internal differences between the F gigabeats |
| 03:53:37 | Beta2K | (within reason) |
| 03:54:19 | Beta2K | So a accessory for a F series Gigabeat should work with all of them |
| 03:55:17 | Beta2K | With the exception of someone building something that can only fit a F10/20 as they are not as thick as the F40/60 due to only having one platter in the HD vs 2 in the F40/60 |
| 03:55:45 | hd | 2 |
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| 03:58:20 | Davide-NYC | Hey yo, congrats on the m:robe 100 port! |
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| 04:11:46 | swimmer | hi all |
| 04:12:14 | swimmer | all in a sudden rockbox stops to start if I try to switch on my iriver H340 ... |
| 04:12:38 | swimmer | I have to plug in the AC-adapter and press the start button to get the IRiver booted at all |
| 04:12:52 | swimmer | but it boots the iriver software :-/ |
| 04:13:26 | swimmer | to get the rockbox bootloader I have to plug in the USB-cable and then switch on the player ... |
| 04:13:34 | swimmer | strange |
| 04:13:34 | swimmer | ?!?! |
| 04:14:30 | Beta2K | Can you cold-boot the iRiver? |
| 04:14:48 | Beta2K | (I don't have one, I know I need to coldboot my Gigabeat if I muck with the bootloader) |
| 04:15:05 | swimmer | what do you mean with cold-boot? |
| 04:15:15 | Beta2K | Turn the batery off |
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| 04:15:24 | Beta2K | Or remove it |
| 04:15:37 | Beta2K | and put it back/turn it on again |
| 04:15:52 | swimmer | hmpf - I have to open it then again :-/ |
| 04:16:11 | scorche | Beta2K: they have a reset button |
| 04:16:19 | Beta2K | Oooh, nifty :) |
| 04:16:24 | swimmer | not tonight then - I'm very tired and a bit drunk ... so I'll better do that tomorrow ;-) |
| 04:16:34 | swimmer | but It used to wrok guys |
| 04:16:39 | Beta2K | Push the reset button then :) |
| 04:16:40 | swimmer | it stopped all in a sudden |
| 04:17:12 | Beta2K | If it's being put to sleep tho rather then turned off it could be waking in a weird state |
| 04:18:28 | swimmer | pushed the reset button (while switched on in iriver sw) to no avail |
| 04:18:46 | swimmer | it's switched off now and I can't switch it on ... |
| 04:19:32 | * | Beta2K heads off to the Rockbox iRiver manual |
| 04:20:14 | swimmer | I tried to reinstall the while package (bootloader + rockbox) with rbutil but it asks me for some firmware ... |
| 04:20:28 | swimmer | not sure what I should provide though :-/ |
| 04:22:43 | Beta2K | Your record button isn't stuck is it? |
| 04:23:39 | Beta2K | That's what it sounds like from the boot sequence... |
| 04:24:33 | Beta2K | If you boot with a USB cable connected it becomes a USB mass storage device, if Rec is held it boots the iRiver firmware, otherwise it boots into Rockbox |
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| 04:26:05 | swimmer | hmm - didn't check that |
| 04:26:17 | swimmer | but at least I got rbutil doing it's job now |
| 04:26:57 | swimmer | I downloaded the latest firmware (H300-1.29-KR.hex) and provided that to the updater and it worked |
| 04:27:05 | swimmer | now I have to reboot I guess ... |
| 04:27:44 | swimmer | still nothing :-/ |
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| 04:29:54 | Beta2K | But it boots to the bootloader USB mode? |
| 04:30:58 | swimmer | without AC-adapter no |
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| 04:31:47 | swimmer | if I plug in USB without AC-adapter I see very shortly the white (rockbox) display and then nothing |
| 04:33:09 | Beta2K | But with the AC adaptor it goes to the USB mode or into Rockbox? |
| 04:34:25 | swimmer | if I plug in USB with AC-adapter it goes into the USB mode of the iriver software |
| 04:35:01 | Beta2K | Weird |
| 04:35:06 | swimmer | yep |
| 04:35:17 | swimmer | it's very weird since it used to work ... |
| 04:35:19 | Beta2K | After you loaded the firmware the last time did you hit reset? |
| 04:36:01 | swimmer | I loaded the firmware last time when I first installed rockbox (2 years ago) |
| 04:36:08 | swimmer | didn't touch it since then |
| 04:36:20 | swimmer | until now (while talking to you) ... |
| 04:36:40 | swimmer | firmware == H300.hex ? |
| 04:36:51 | Beta2K | Bootloader actually :) |
| 04:38:19 | swimmer | the bootloader sits in $IRIVER/.rockbox/build correct? |
| 04:38:27 | Beta2K | nope |
| 04:38:30 | swimmer | and the firmware is H300.hex? |
| 04:38:40 | Beta2K | The bootloader is flashed into the players memory |
| 04:39:38 | Beta2K | the firmware is the .rockbox folder |
| 04:40:13 | swimmer | ah ok |
| 04:40:19 | swimmer | so what is H300.hex? |
| 04:40:38 | Beta2K | I'm not sure |
| 04:41:01 | Beta2K | bootloader-H300.bin is the RB patched bootloader |
| 04:41:11 | Beta2K | from http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/iriver/ |
| 04:41:35 | swimmer | so I should use this one ? |
| 04:41:57 | Beta2K | How about you go through the install instructions from |
| 04:41:59 | Beta2K | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h300/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 |
| 04:42:13 | Beta2K | Just to make sure the bootloader is installed correctly |
| 04:42:34 | Beta2K | I've got to get myself to sleep, my son will be up any time now |
| 04:43:17 | Beta2K | Sorry I can't help much more |
| 04:43:29 | swimmer | you helped already |
| 04:43:33 | swimmer | many thanks for that! |
| 04:45:19 | Beta2K | NP |
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| 04:58:57 | Davide-NYC | Where can I find a good picture of the insides of a sansa c200? |
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| 05:01:49 | swimmer | no way to get it working now :-/ |
| 05:02:05 | swimmer | I better go to sleep and try it again tomorrow ... |
| 05:04:01 | Llorean | Davide-NYC: If we have any of them, they should be linked from the c200 port's wiki page |
| 05:04:32 | Davide-NYC | nothing there :( |
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| 07:39:12 | amiconn | Morning LinusN |
| 07:39:19 | LinusN | morning |
| 07:39:26 | amiconn | Got my message? Same problem as yesterday... :( |
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| 07:40:11 | LinusN | the builds? |
| 07:41:38 | amiconn | yep |
| 07:43:41 | LinusN | investigating... |
| 07:45:13 | LinusN | really interesting |
| 07:45:34 | LinusN | again, the svn update is just stuck, since 00:11 last night |
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| 08:56:32 | Bagder | really weird |
| 08:57:39 | Bagder | but when I killed it and did a svn cleanup, the build master at least handled it very nicely |
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| 09:00:09 | gibbon_ | i am not really familiar with svn, but i was wondering what happened between revisions 16698 und 16707 |
| 09:00:28 | gibbon_ | and i am sorry for forgetting to greet... |
| 09:00:37 | gibbon_ | a warm "good morning" to everyone :) |
| 09:00:38 | Bagder | svn diff -r16698:16707 |
| 09:00:51 | LinusN | gibbon_: on the contrary, we thank you for not greeting :-) |
| 09:01:31 | gibbon_ | ... thanks Bagder |
| 09:03:00 | gibbon_ | revision systems sometimes do things i don't yet understand... nevermind |
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| 09:09:09 | markun | morning guys |
| 09:10:22 | markun | Bagder, LinusN: since the person doing most of the work only posts at the meizume forum, almost all of the discussion is going on there. Would you guys like to take a look sometimes and maybe comment on it? |
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| 09:10:45 | Bagder | sure |
| 09:10:49 | markun | I hope that the discussions will move to rockbox after we have a minimal port done |
| 09:10:54 | markun | http://www.meizume.com/rockbox/5567-rockbox-project-m6-15.html |
| 09:11:09 | markun | 15 pages already |
| 09:13:12 | Bagder | most annoying links on keywords in that forum |
| 09:14:22 | markun | maybe I don't see them because I have an account |
| 09:14:30 | Bagder | aha |
| 09:14:47 | Bagder | I mean links on words such as Samsung, Toshiba and firmware |
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| 09:14:52 | markun | yes, by loging out I also get them |
| 09:14:56 | Bagder | ok |
| 09:15:09 | Bagder | a reason to get an account then... |
| 09:15:52 | gibbon_ | to all the sansa c200 owners: do you also experience the OF to fail initializing UMS mode severyl time before the device finally shows up? |
| 09:16:19 | gibbon_ | i'm getting strange errors ... the rockbox USB works really fine though |
| 09:17:28 | gibbon_ | i was wondering if there is some kind of persistent information about USB modes that is changed by rockbox or so... |
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| 09:18:07 | gibbon_ | also writes on the device using the OF often fail with massive filesystem corruption - nothing like that with rockbox again |
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| 09:24:21 | Bagder | woo, the mrobe100 firmware has some cool strings: |
| 09:24:28 | Bagder | RTXCbug - RTXC Objects> |
| 09:24:28 | Bagder | D - Dump all (tasks, mailboxes, queues...) |
| 09:24:28 | Bagder | T - Tasks |
| 09:24:28 | Bagder | M - Mailboxes |
| 09:24:34 | Bagder | etc |
| 09:24:54 | Bagder | there seems to be some kind of debug mode in there |
| 09:26:03 | gibbon_ | :) |
| 09:31:04 | * | Bagder has too many scripts scattered all over... |
| 09:31:16 | Bagder | I just noticed the missing mrobe100 voice file |
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| 09:35:15 | Bagder | when "x5 is turned face down, the music sort of pauses" is certainly an interesting problem... |
| 09:38:09 | gibbon_ | the headphone jack of the x5 is iirc a very common source of errors... |
| 09:38:59 | gibbon_ | i soldered my sister's maybe 5 times already and read countless reports... has it "plug-in detection" contacts? |
| 09:39:32 | * | Bagder has been neglecting his x5 lately on the favor of his sansa |
| 09:42:46 | gibbon_ | i am very happy with my sansa, too |
| 09:44:49 | LinusN | gibbon_: no, it has no headphone detection |
| 09:45:32 | LinusN | having the headphone hack on the side was a pretty braindead decision by cowon |
| 09:45:39 | LinusN | s/hack/jack/ |
| 09:45:44 | Bagder | amen |
| 09:45:45 | gibbon_ | LinusN: then ignore what i just said... |
| 09:46:09 | LinusN | and the subpack is a really silly thing too |
| 09:46:22 | LinusN | apart from that, i really love my x5 |
| 09:46:27 | Bagder | yes, but that I can more understand |
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| 10:22:44 | troublehelix | Hi, my name is Windsor. I'm beginning to put together an application for GSOC, and am wondering if anyone can recommend a good choice of target platform for a port of RockBox? |
| 10:22:53 | troublehelix | This would be a challenge, so hopefuly it would be a target that is similar in architecture to existing ones. |
| 10:24:58 | GodEater | a port of rockbox is pretty amibitious, are you certain you could manage it within the time limit? |
| 10:25:39 | LinusN | have you done anything similar before? |
| 10:26:09 | markun | troublehelix: and do you have any mp3 players? |
| 10:27:55 | troublehelix | I have an ancient IRiver T30 and a PSP (which was my choice of MP3 player based on audio quality after listening to a few Sansa players, and a couple of IPods). |
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| 10:28:25 | markun | troublehelix: I would love having rockbox on my girlfriends T30 |
| 10:29:09 | troublehelix | I haven't done anything similar, but I have experience with firmware programming in assembly and C on Atmel AVR's, and I was considering doing a hardware / firmware project of my own to play MP3's using a hardware MP3 codec chip and a microcontroller. |
| 10:29:48 | GodEater | The PSP would probably be better suited to having "Rockbox as an application" running on it, rather than an actual firmware replacement. |
| 10:29:54 | markun | troublehelix: the T30 has a chips which is hopefully similar to the one in the Meizu M6 for which we are also making a rockbox port: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SamsungSA58 |
| 10:30:17 | troublehelix | GodEater, short answer: no - I'm not certain at all I could do a port. =) But either way I'm interested. |
| 10:30:42 | GodEater | interest of any sort is always welcomed ;) |
| 10:30:52 | troublehelix | I keep tabs on the firmware hacks for the PSP - at the moment it looks like I can't install homebrew on my PSP because I have new firmware. |
| 10:31:09 | GodEater | ah - so bang goes that idea then |
| 10:31:39 | troublehelix | Is the display on the T30 reasonable for rockbox? the screenshots I've seen look like it's geared to units with fancier displays. |
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| 10:32:03 | GodEater | troublehelix: then you've never seen screenshots from the early archoses running rockbox then ? |
| 10:32:05 | gevaerts | troublehelix: look at older archos screenshots |
| 10:33:02 | troublehelix | Ok, lemme go check em out. |
| 10:33:08 | * | gevaerts goes to look himself |
| 10:33:11 | GodEater | some developers (looking at amiconn here), would probably argue that fancier displays are wasted on Rockbox ;) |
| 10:33:43 | Bagder | ... some developers like living with stuff produced before 2005... :-O |
| 10:33:49 | gevaerts | Doesn't that also depend on where the buttons are ;) ? |
| 10:34:50 | troublehelix | I have to say that I expected my IRiver to have been dead by now, I just got envious of friends with newer players. |
| 10:34:57 | markun | gevaerts: nice progress on the meizu RE work, but no progress on the shipping of our players |
| 10:36:18 | gevaerts | markun: I saw it. I should start looking at this s3c2443 spec to find an easy way to check if the usb controller is the same |
| 10:36:32 | markun | gevaerts: I have the specs here |
| 10:37:56 | gevaerts | I have the pdf here as well. The problem is getting in the right mood to read specs after work (work is often reading specs as well) ;) |
| 10:38:05 | markun | ah :) |
| 10:46:49 | Bagder | http://www.linux.com/feature/129093 <= "Enhance your music player with Rockbox" |
| 10:48:12 | Bagder | "Rockbox was developed primarily with another purpose in mind: improving sound quality." |
| 10:48:15 | Bagder | it was? |
| 10:48:19 | Bagder | hehe |
| 10:48:27 | LinusN | hmmm, i'm not sure it's a good idea to suggest rbutil in the m:robe 100 manual, since rbutil doesn't support it |
| 10:48:45 | LinusN | Bagder: that was news to me |
| 10:49:10 | Bagder | LinusN: you learn new stuff on the internet you know! |
| 10:49:31 | LinusN | better install that "internet" thing on my computer then |
| 10:49:45 | Bagder | nah, wait for 2.0 instead |
| 10:51:43 | LinusN | or even better, wait for 2.0 SP1 |
| 10:51:51 | Bagder | now I like one of them comments to that article |
| 10:52:00 | Bagder | "Without a doubt, this is the worst POS OSS project ever. Ever. This has so many bugs that getting past the basic setup is a major accomplishment. I will never attempt to use this again. Ever." |
| 10:52:04 | Bagder | friends everywhere! |
| 10:52:28 | LinusN | definitely a golden quote candidate |
| 10:54:04 | petur | somebody made work of grabbing http://www.rockboxthemes.org/ |
| 10:54:20 | Bagder | of course... and what does it show? |
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| 10:56:37 | LinusN | Bagder: too bad he actually has a small point... :-( |
| 10:57:02 | Bagder | getting past the basic setup is a major accomplishment? |
| 10:57:37 | LinusN | yes, and the bugs |
| 10:57:48 | LinusN | as it is now, rockbox is quite buggy |
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| 10:58:07 | LinusN | plenty of playback and database issues |
| 10:58:09 | Bagder | I don't suffer from many bugs |
| 10:58:19 | markun | neither do I |
| 10:58:19 | * | petur didn't notice riding to work this morning |
| 10:58:29 | markun | but I haven't updated in maybe 2 weeks |
| 10:58:33 | LinusN | well, i can only tell by all the bug reports |
| 10:58:54 | Bagder | yes, but which project doesn't have many bugs given this amount of users and platforms supported? |
| 10:59:02 | LinusN | for example, the sudden repeating of played tracks |
| 10:59:09 | Bagder | I'm not convinced we have more than others |
| 10:59:35 | Bagder | so yes, if you mean that he says we have bugs that's a valid point |
| 10:59:36 | LinusN | and all the database issues people are reporting |
| 11:00 |
| 11:00:02 | markun | LinusN: yes, you would think that by abstraction and 'simplification' of the whole playback system we would get rid of those kind of bugs :( |
| 11:00:07 | LinusN | like hanging in the database update because of weird/broken tags |
| 11:02:01 | LinusN | i often see explanations in the lines of "you have embedded album art - remote it" |
| 11:02:13 | LinusN | a bad excuse imho |
| 11:02:32 | LinusN | s/remote/remove/ |
| 11:02:47 | * | Bagder has this natural filter built-in that ignores most users eh bug reports |
| 11:03:21 | markun | a good thing we have LinusN to point them out again :) |
| 11:03:23 | LinusN | i never use the database myself, but my feeling is that it isn't very stable |
| 11:03:36 | Bagder | markun: he ruins my system! |
| 11:03:44 | LinusN | and for some ipod users, that's all they can use |
| 11:04:08 | LinusN | because they have their filenames scrambled by itunes |
| 11:04:21 | markun | Maybe we can go through some of the code like the metadata parsers and make sure they don't make any assumtions about the correctness of the metadata |
| 11:04:29 | markun | during devcon |
| 11:04:45 | JdGordon | pre devcon would be better.... |
| 11:05:00 | markun | why? |
| 11:05:05 | JdGordon | its sooner... |
| 11:05:09 | Bagder | well speaking of devcon... |
| 11:05:12 | LinusN | stability is a major issue |
| 11:05:28 | Bagder | anyone for a euro devcon? ;-) |
| 11:05:30 | markun | but it was nice last year working together on fixing things |
| 11:05:41 | markun | Bagder: me! |
| 11:05:44 | LinusN | me! |
| 11:05:48 | * | JdGordon ! |
| 11:06:08 | * | markun goes to work and will be back in a few minutes |
| 11:06:09 | * | JdGordon watches everyone retract their "me's |
| 11:06:16 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 11:09:08 | gevaerts | Speaking of bugs, is there a linux cli tool araound that can easily remove embedded album art ? |
| 11:09:53 | JdGordon | why isnt our parser ignoring tags it doesnt kow about? |
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| 11:12:29 | * | gevaerts doesn't know, but expects there is a well thought out reason for that ;) |
| 11:18:38 | Slasheri | metadata parsers are the main issue for the db because many parsers dont have much (if at all) sanity checking of the files |
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| 11:19:11 | Bagder | one of these days, we should add some kind of testing framework |
| 11:19:17 | Bagder | one of these years perhaps |
| 11:19:42 | dionoea | that shounds kind of like "one of these days, a release would be nice" :) |
| 11:19:54 | Bagder | yes, it's quite similar hehe |
| 11:20:12 | Bagder | and piece on earth! |
| 11:20:16 | Bagder | peace even |
| 11:20:21 | dionoea | hehe :) |
| 11:20:45 | dionoea | On a completely different subject, your Rockbox link on the Google Summer of Code page is still wrong. |
| 11:21:38 | Bagder | fixed now |
| 11:21:47 | Bagder | but they probably don't update immediately |
| 11:22:04 | Bagder | ah no |
| 11:22:04 | dionoea | Ah ok. |
| 11:22:08 | Bagder | crappy crappy |
| 11:22:25 | Bagder | silly web app wants 300 more details filled in that I didnt' want to do |
| 11:22:26 | * | gevaerts heard some romors about their webapp not being perfect |
| 11:22:36 | gevaerts | s/romors/rumors/ |
| 11:23:08 | Bagder | I have to fill in an address for "the final payment" in order to change the url... |
| 11:23:19 | Bagder | it seems a _bit_ early to require that info |
| 11:23:22 | dionoea | That makes snese :) |
| 11:23:26 | dionoea | *sense |
| 11:24:26 | * | Bagder protests by filling in dashes |
| 11:24:31 | dionoea | Looks like it's fixed now |
| 11:25:09 | * | gevaerts noticed they want all sorts of personal data like t-shirt size if you want to be a mentor ;) |
| 11:25:22 | GodEater | That's the "code for cotton" payment ;) |
| 11:25:49 | gevaerts | Does anyone have a good us<->euro size convertor for those ? |
| 11:26:00 | * | GodEater assumes the only reason amiconn protests about signing up as a mentor is he doesn't want google knowing his T-shirt size :o |
| 11:26:17 | petur | lol |
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| 11:26:48 | Bagder | thats' google's secret plan |
| 11:26:55 | Bagder | get the tshirt sizes of everyone! |
| 11:27:04 | markun | data mining |
| 11:27:20 | Bagder | once you have their size, you can start collecting the money... |
| 11:27:40 | markun | personalized t-shirt adds |
| 11:27:45 | GodEater | I fully expect may adverts for weight-watchers to start filling my email inbox now. |
| 11:27:52 | GodEater | s/may/many |
| 11:28:33 | LinusN | 1) invent bogus open source funding program, 2) collect t-shirt sizes, 3) ..., 4) profit! |
| 11:28:56 | GodEater | lets have a competition |
| 11:29:05 | GodEater | see who can come up with the least feasible 3) |
| 11:29:38 | GodEater | rules: you may divide 3) up into sub stages |
| 11:29:44 | GodEater | ready? go. |
| 11:29:59 | * | Bagder leaves for lunch |
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| 11:37:30 | markun | Bagder: nice post about the Meizu in your blog. Mine will have 8GB flash, so it doesn't end at 4GB. |
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| 11:45:21 | * | gevaerts just read the LWN FAQ on subscriber links, and concludes he is allowed to put them here... |
| 11:46:01 | gevaerts | People who haven't seen it yet : lwn talked a bit about rockbox last week : http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/272778/669716e617fd687e/ |
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| 11:55:07 | markun | gevaerts: wow: "But I'm now selling it ... Mainly, because I'm not totally satisfied with the feature set of Rockbox." |
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| 11:56:56 | gevaerts | markun: if he wants the feature set of an EEE or an N800, I guess rockbox is not for him |
| 11:57:28 | * | gevaerts considers selling his laptop. It doesn't come with twelve hotswappable disk slots, so it must be bad |
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| 11:58:23 | markun | yes, hard to please such people. No idea why he doesn't 'just' add support to rockbox for multiple genre tags. |
| 11:59:29 | gevaerts | I do like the idea of replacing the battery with a coal-powered generator. I might do that myself some time ;) |
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| 12:09:35 | markun | I have a small steam engine somewhere in my room which I could use to generate electrical power :) |
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| 12:12:17 | gevaerts | So will you use flac in summer and high-bitrate mp3 in winter ? |
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| 12:13:27 | * | gevaerts looks at the CodecPerformanceComparison page and concludes that APE is the best codec for cold winter evenings |
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| 12:25:06 | roolku | LinusN: m:robe 100 is supported by (svn) rbutil, but I think the binaries on the server may not be upto date |
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| 12:28:51 | LinusN | roolku: then we should update the server binaries, or remove the rbutil reference in the manual |
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| 12:31:08 | roolku | LinusN: yes, but that requires that a linux/mac person compiles them. I can supply a windows binary |
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| 12:36:41 | * | gibbon_ puts his hand up as a linux person with a current svn tree handy |
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| 12:37:21 | gibbon_ | if theres some immediate action i should take, report in |
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| 12:59:35 | bttb | Hi all |
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| 13:01:05 | bttb | Can rockbox play videos or would I have to boot the original ipod firmware for that? |
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| 13:01:37 | bttb | This would be on an iPod 5G |
| 13:01:38 | gibbon_ | hi bttb, there is an mpegplayer plugin |
| 13:01:59 | gibbon_ | i never actually tried to use it ... ymmv. |
| 13:02:08 | gibbon_ | its worth a try |
| 13:02:44 | bttb | thanks |
| 13:03:48 | bttb | I'll just boot the original firmware. I'm more interested in rockbox's replagain and vorbis (etc.) features |
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| 13:05:40 | gibbon_ | yes, the featureset for music is in my optinion very satisfactory :) |
| 13:06:02 | bttb | Indeed :) |
| 13:06:35 | bttb | All my files are vorbis anyway. Don't feel like recoding my flacs to mp3/aac. |
| 13:07:12 | gibbon_ | i feel like playing flac natively... so i use rockbox... |
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| 13:08:00 | bttb | I can't abx my vorbis files from the flacs so I can save the space :) |
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| 13:22:45 | Flicks1 | hey there guys |
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| 13:23:27 | Flicks1 | guys do you have an issue with ape files? they are skipping because ipod 5.5 gen processor is slow right? |
| 13:23:50 | LinusN | that is correct |
| 13:24:08 | LinusN | ape is a very demanding format |
| 13:24:10 | Flicks1 | :( |
| 13:24:20 | Flicks1 | lol... i got plenty of classical music in ape format |
| 13:24:33 | Flicks1 | i hate it lol.. i prefer flac to ease of use |
| 13:24:36 | Bagder | luckily it is lossless so you can transcode into a nicer format |
| 13:24:40 | Bagder | like flac |
| 13:24:43 | LinusN | exactly |
| 13:24:54 | Flicks1 | yep.. but that will take time to transcope alot of gigs |
| 13:25:01 | Flicks1 | *transcode |
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| 13:25:23 | Flicks1 | guys do you know capacity of a 5.5gen ipod? |
| 13:25:29 | LinusN | well, since your ipod can't play it, and you hate it, i see no other oprion :-) |
| 13:25:40 | LinusN | s/oprion/option/ |
| 13:25:51 | LinusN | Flicks1: "capacity"? |
| 13:26:02 | Bagder | and hey, most computers have lots of time when the owners are asleep |
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| 13:26:45 | Flicks1 | battery capacity in mwa |
| 13:26:46 | Flicks1 | ll |
| 13:28:01 | Buschel | Flicks1: 400mAh (30GB) or 580mAh (80GB) |
| 13:28:13 | Flicks1 | ooh thanks alot for that |
| 13:29:21 | Flicks1 | to bad there is no 580 option.. just 600 |
| 13:30:16 | Buschel | oops, 600mAh is correct |
| 13:30:27 | Flicks1 | ohh lol :) |
| 13:30:32 | * | Buschel was dreaming of an battery upgrade for his 30GB 5.5G |
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| 13:33:22 | Buschel | Flicks1: the option in the settings ha no influence on the real runtime. it's only used for the estimation of the remaining runtime |
| 13:33:27 | Buschel | *has |
| 13:33:52 | Flicks1 | yes i am awared of thats.. thanks |
| 13:34:06 | Flicks1 | hey is there any tweaks that every ipod 5.5g user must do? |
| 13:34:27 | Flicks1 | i dont like id3 i use file structure , so dir cache is usefull for me? |
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| 13:36:10 | * | Bagder does a discrete announcement |
| 13:36:30 | markun | where? |
| 13:37:56 | Bagder | in the svn repo |
| 13:38:34 | petur | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/docs/COMMITTERS?r1=16714;r2=16715 |
| 13:39:00 | gevaerts | \âș/ |
| 13:39:25 | Flicks1 | guys is there a way when i select to play it.. because when you select a file you still have to press play button |
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| 13:40:09 | markun | Flicks1: did you pause audio before selecting the file? |
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| 13:41:15 | Flicks1 | yep.. like previous song that i was listening |
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| 13:42:36 | Flicks1 | also is load to Ram affects normal file structure or just apple database |
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| 13:43:02 | Bagder | rockbox has only a rockbox database |
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| 13:48:43 | * | Buschel swears to not commiting crap ;-) |
| 13:48:56 | Buschel | thanks |
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| 13:55:16 | * | gevaerts can't remember if he promised anything like that ;) |
| 13:56:03 | Bagder | if you didn't, who's signature in blood is it I have? |
| 13:56:51 | gevaerts | No idea. Can you post a picture somewhere ? |
| 13:57:23 | Bagder | once you've committed crap I'll be forced to! ;-) |
| 13:58:24 | * | gevaerts searches through the svn log to find incriminating material to use against Bagder |
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| 14:07:10 | Buschel | hmm, first try to commit a change fails. "svn: Log message file is a versioned file; use '−−force-log' to override". any idea? |
| 14:08:11 | gevaerts | Buschel: what's your svn command ? |
| 14:08:53 | Buschel | "svn commit -m "Correct DEV_TIMING for CPUFREQ_DEFAULT. Was changed by fault in former power management commit." -F firmware/target/arm/system-pp502x.c" |
| 14:09:22 | linuxstb_ | What is the -F for? |
| 14:09:38 | dionoea | you should remove the F |
| 14:09:39 | Buschel | = −−file |
| 14:09:46 | dionoea | it's to read the commit message from a file |
| 14:09:59 | dionoea | so it's trying to read the commit message in your .c file |
| 14:09:59 | linuxstb_ | -F is for reading the log message (what you typed with -m) from a file... |
| 14:10:11 | Buschel | cool, worked! :) |
| 14:10:21 | dionoea | and you can also just svn ci <the file> and you text editor will pop up asking for a commit message |
| 14:10:25 | pondlife | Now watch that build table ;) |
| 14:10:31 | dionoea | makes it a bit easier if you have multiline messages. |
| 14:10:43 | dionoea | *your |
| 14:10:54 | Buschel | watching... |
| 14:11:07 | linuxstb_ | Buschel: BTW, I like to do "svn diff file1 file2 etc" before a commit, as a preview of what is going to go in. It's saved me from a few nasty mistakes... |
| 14:11:28 | * | petur wonders if the frontpage script that does the name translation has been adapted |
| 14:11:43 | pondlife | Wasn't that why Bagder did that commit first? |
| 14:11:56 | Bagder | petur: it uses the svn COMMITTERS file nowadays |
| 14:12:02 | petur | ah great |
| 14:12:10 | Buschel | linuxstb: I use a clean trunk and made a diff over the full repository before the commit. |
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| 14:14:03 | Bagder | "svn st -q" is also nice for an overview of the repo situation |
| 14:14:47 | pondlife | My tip is always to do a test build for the player sim, even if the code you changed is nowhere near it... |
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| 14:14:50 | dionoea | what does the -q hide? |
| 14:15:03 | Bagder | the locally added files that aren't versioned |
| 14:15:15 | dionoea | ah, nice. |
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| 14:16:12 | Buschel | btw, when committing several files -> is ok to simply use <svn commit -m "" path>? |
| 14:16:14 | Bagder | ah the premiere commit! |
| 14:16:37 | pondlife | Buschel: Commit them in a single command. |
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| 14:16:54 | dionoea | Bagder: svn diff path and check that everything's there (like linuxstb_ suggested) |
| 14:16:56 | * | Buschel is nervous about the upcoming build table results |
| 14:17:03 | dionoea | s/Badger/Buschel/ |
| 14:17:09 | dionoea | s/dg/gd/ |
| 14:17:16 | Bagder | haha |
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| 14:18:10 | Buschel | 2mins to go |
| 14:18:11 | pondlife | Buschel: Congrats! |
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| 14:18:27 | pondlife | Buschel: Your PC clock is a bit out? |
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| 14:19:28 | * | pondlife likes what MarcGuay is doing to the wiki.. |
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| 14:19:39 | Buschel | strrrike! |
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| 14:19:55 | Buschel | pondlife: yes, clock was a bit late |
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| 14:23:27 | preglow | Buschel: welcome :) |
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| 14:24:34 | Buschel | preglow: thanks :o) anything speaking against commiting FS #8750? |
| 14:27:11 | linuxstb_ | Buschel: How are you benchmarking your DSP improvements? |
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| 14:28:01 | preglow | Buschel: nothing i can think of, no |
| 14:29:30 | * | linuxstb_ is wondering which ARM cpus it's been tested on |
| 14:31:23 | Buschel | linuxstb: it was tested on a PP5021-C. benchmarking via calling the routines 30x and measuring the boost ratio while playback. |
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| 14:33:27 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Do you have any idea how speex compares to all the other voice codecs? I've just noticed a G729.A fixed-point decoder patch submitted to ffmpeg and am wondering if it's worth supporting anything other than speex |
| 14:34:00 | linuxstb_ | Buschel: Wouldn't a test plugin (the dsp functions are exposed via the plugin API) be more reliable? |
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| 14:34:39 | preglow | linuxstb_: i'd say any codec with files using it floating around is worth supporting |
| 14:36:45 | PaulJam | linuxstb_: btw, thanks for the update of the viewports-wps patch. |
| 14:37:40 | preglow | speex compares quite well with other voice codecs, but is inferior to some, thanks to patented tech |
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| 14:41:00 | Buschel | linuxstb: of course this would give more precise results. but i think to get a rough impression of the speed up my tests should be ok |
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| 14:42:46 | BidMead | Hi. Be grateful if someone could authorise me to edit the Wiki. There's some optimistic stuff about RB on 1G that needs qualifying. |
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| 14:45:15 | Beta2K | Don't think anyone is around to do that right now BidMead |
| 14:45:25 | Beta2K | Tho wait and I'm sure someone will appear |
| 14:45:32 | linuxstb_ | BidMead: What's your wiki name? |
| 14:45:45 | * | petur can guess |
| 14:46:19 | gevaerts | Beta2K: anyone with wiki write permissions can do it |
| 14:46:20 | GodEater | Beta2K: you don't have wiki edit rights either ? |
| 14:46:35 | Beta2K | Yes I do |
| 14:46:43 | GodEater | then you can do it |
| 14:46:51 | Beta2K | Oh, I assumed you needed to be a wiki admin |
| 14:46:55 | GodEater | nope |
| 14:47:06 | BidMead | My Wiki name is BidMead, oddly enough. :-) |
| 14:47:21 | petur | BidMead: your wiki name is wrong - it has to be FirstLast |
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| 14:47:30 | Beta2K | (No offence) That's you real name? :) |
| 14:47:51 | * | petur points to the forums |
| 14:48:11 | BidMead | It's my real name. And it's not "wrong", I think. I registered as Bid Mead. :-) |
| 14:48:16 | linuxstb_ | preglow: So it wouldn't be a waste of time to port other voice codecs? |
| 14:48:23 | GodEater | ideally we wanted the wiki to be open for editing by anyone. Unfortunately it got spammed to death - so we had to turn the instant edit rights off. But there's no point restricting the ability to give others edit rights to just the admins |
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| 14:48:48 | linuxstb_ | BidMead: The registration page says your wiki name has to be FirstnameLastname... |
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| 14:49:10 | linuxstb_ | (because we want real full names attached to all content) |
| 14:49:22 | BidMead | @linuxstb. And so it is. Bid Mead gives BidMead |
| 14:49:25 | Beta2K | linuxstb, he said that is his name :) |
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| 14:49:32 | Beta2K | Where are you from BidMead ? |
| 14:49:39 | petur | Beta2K: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15929.msg119041#msg119041 |
| 14:49:40 | Beta2K | Just cuz I'm curious now :) |
| 14:50:10 | BidMead | From? Geographically? Culturally? Workwise? |
| 14:50:27 | Beta2K | I guess culturally |
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| 14:50:57 | BidMead | IT journalist and one time TV writer and script editor. |
| 14:51:47 | linuxstb_ | So you're saying "Chris Bidmead" isn't your real name? |
| 14:51:49 | BidMead | That's workwise and culturally. :-) |
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| 14:52:57 | BidMead | I don't think I said Chris Bidmead isn't my real name. It is. But I register wherever I can as bidmead. that's what I'm generally known as. |
| 14:53:11 | petur | BidMead: you should have a chat with amiconn here for a testbuild to figure out why your 1-gen doesn't behave |
| 14:53:26 | linuxstb_ | petur: We know why now. |
| 14:53:32 | petur | oh |
| 14:53:39 | BidMead | I think we know now why it doesn't behave, thanks to good work in the forum. |
| 14:53:47 | markun | BidMead: I usually also don't register as MarcoenHirschberg, only in the rockbox wiki |
| 14:54:06 | * | petur reads up |
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| 14:54:26 | GodEater | petur: the ipod that bidmead has doesn't identify itself properly |
| 14:54:44 | BidMead | I think BidMead is snappier than ChristopherHamiltonBidmead. Don't you? |
| 14:54:59 | linuxstb_ | BidMead: Sure, but it's not what the wiki registration page asked for... |
| 14:55:03 | markun | :) |
| 14:55:06 | Buschel | just to make sure I understood it correctly: "commit -m "" a.c b.c c.S" will commit the three files a.c, b.c and c.S? |
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| 14:55:29 | dionoea | yes. |
| 14:56:47 | BidMead | @linuxstb Do you always give Web quiz pages everything they ask for? I'm clearly not here in disguise. |
| 14:57:19 | Buschel | ok, done |
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| 14:58:44 | GodEater | BidMead: Look, if you think it's an unreasonable request, don't register with your name as asked for. But then don't complain when you don't get write access. We make a simple request, either abide by it, or don't. We've had enough arguments about it over the years, and the policy is not about to change. |
| 14:59:47 | BidMead | I'm not complaining at all. And will back off from offering help with the docs if it doesn't suit the project. I'm flexible. |
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| 15:00:58 | GodEater | We're happy to accept documentation changes from someone we know is ChrisBidmead, but not someone who appears to have a first name of "Bid" and a second name of "Mead" who doesn't actually legally exist. |
| 15:01:23 | Beta2K | We're not trying to be dificult, it's just the way our forfathers set out the policy... :) |
| 15:01:24 | BidMead | The real prob is the iPod not identifying itself properly. Think you'll agree that BidMead versus ChrisBidmead is a trivial issue compared with this... :-) |
| 15:01:49 | gevaerts | BidMead: exactly... |
| 15:02:17 | BidMead | In deference to the forefathers I could always register as DonaldDuck... |
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| 15:03:18 | markun | BidMead: we have people in the wiki with fake names anyway. No way to really verify it. |
| 15:03:38 | GodEater | we're not asking for a birth certificate |
| 15:03:56 | BidMead | @marcun Of course you do. That's inevitable. Cut me some slack here, guys. |
| 15:06:03 | markun | maybe we can give you write access and ask Bagder or LinusN to correct your account name later :) |
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| 15:06:19 | LinusN | i fail to see what the big deal is |
| 15:06:41 | LinusN | i.e why ChrisBidmead isn't acceptable |
| 15:07:13 | BidMead | Well, Bidmead's not wrong. It's what I'm generally known as in the biz. |
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| 15:07:56 | LinusN | it is wrong in our wiki |
| 15:08:19 | LinusN | we both have the exact same point: "what's the big deal?" |
| 15:10:39 | BidMead | Well, here's a philosophical point, if we have time for such a thing. The essence of a Wiki is freedom. Wikis work best with minimal constraints. Given that I could be DonaldDuck, and several in the Wiki already undoubtably have such names, why try to enforce this arbitrary restriction? |
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| 15:12:02 | LinusN | because we believe in openness and real people with real names |
| 15:12:18 | LinusN | and you obviously have time to argue |
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| 15:12:50 | LinusN | and you also seem to believe that your shortname is more important than our policy |
| 15:13:02 | BidMead | You have my real name. And actually I don't have time to argue. I could have gone in and fixed the docs by now and be on my way. But I guess I'll just have to be on my way... |
| 15:13:17 | LinusN | interesting |
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| 15:14:09 | LinusN | well, well, what a loss |
| 15:14:17 | * | linuxstb_ shrugs |
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| 15:14:40 | petur | loss of time, that is... |
| 15:15:29 | markun | but cool that he wrote dr. who episodes :) |
| 15:15:36 | LinusN | i heard he is some kind of hotshot in the media |
| 15:15:56 | gibbon_ | dr who is my favorite |
| 15:16:01 | * | gevaerts finds the fact that the wiki uses http authentication instead of cookies much more annoying than _naming_conventions_ |
| 15:16:12 | LinusN | gevaerts: that is about to change |
| 15:16:27 | linuxstb_ | gevaerts: Why is that annoying? |
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| 15:17:43 | LinusN | i think the real name wikiname policy isn't a big deal, but on the other hand, how hard is it to follow that simple policy? |
| 15:17:51 | Beta2K | Because cookies are tastier |
| 15:17:56 | LinusN | apparently hard for some |
| 15:17:59 | gevaerts | linuxstb_: I don't like my webbrowser remembering passwords in general, but I do like autologin for low-security-risk sites (like lwn subscriptions or the wiki) |
| 15:18:33 | * | Beta2K isn't known as JasonStahls anywhere else... |
| 15:18:37 | linuxstb_ | LinusN: Also, I don't think the "We will delete your registration without notice if you break this rule" is unclear that we enforce that request... |
| 15:18:44 | Beta2K | But that's the policy |
| 15:18:58 | linuxstb_ | Beta2K: You're saying that's not your real name? |
| 15:19:04 | Beta2K | No it is |
| 15:19:07 | Beta2K | I just don't give it out |
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| 15:19:14 | Beta2K | Normally it's HughJass |
| 15:19:42 | Horscht | wow, some people are mad for puns |
| 15:20:08 | * | gevaerts wouldn't want to be know as that |
| 15:21:27 | Beta2K | I don't think Adobe care |
| 15:25:23 | linuxstb_ | PaulJam: Have you tried my latest viewports patch? |
| 15:26:08 | dionoea | Is the minimum volume on ipod 5G an arbitrary limit chosen by rockbox? or is that the minimum which the hardware can output? |
| 15:26:51 | linuxstb_ | The latter |
| 15:27:28 | dionoea | Ah ... too bad :/ |
| 15:27:52 | gevaerts | dionoea: you can add a resistor somewhere I guess |
| 15:28:03 | linuxstb_ | There was talk a long time ago of extending it with a software volume control, but no-one ever did. |
| 15:28:21 | dionoea | gevaerts: hehe, that's not really an option |
| 15:28:28 | linuxstb_ | I guess you could use the replaygain (or software EQ) pre-amp |
| 15:28:48 | dionoea | I just bough these speakers with which even the minimum volume can be too high. |
| 15:29:20 | dionoea | speaker isn't the right term... earphones |
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| 15:31:22 | Beta2K | Three resistors could me easily wired as a pad |
| 15:31:27 | Beta2K | me==be |
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| 15:33:00 | dionoea | I'll have a go at software volume control |
| 15:33:05 | dionoea | Shouldn't be too hard. |
| 15:33:52 | Beta2K | Enable your EQ and set the gains back 5-10dB on all bands? |
| 15:35:34 | dionoea | That sounds a bit overkill just to lower the volume :) But it'd work. |
| 15:36:18 | Beta2K | DO you use the EQ currently? |
| 15:36:22 | dionoea | No. |
| 15:37:05 | Beta2K | Set the Q really low then as well to make the roll off really long |
| 15:37:11 | Beta2K | on each band that is |
| 15:37:35 | Beta2K | Then going back to a louder output is as simple as turning the EQ off |
| 15:39:33 | dionoea | The eq thing works but I'll still try doing something simpler just to lower the volume. There's no need to do decomposition in different frequency bands just to lower the volume. |
| 15:40:52 | dionoea | Where would the right place to insert the software volume control be? apps/something or firmware/pcm.c ? |
| 15:43:16 | markun | dionoea: we already have software volume control used for replaygain and the EQ |
| 15:44:27 | dionoea | Ah nice. Which source file is that implemented in? eq.c? |
| 15:44:46 | markun | I'm searching for it |
| 15:46:03 | markun | dionoea: set_gain in dsp.c |
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| 15:47:01 | dionoea | ok, thanks. |
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| 15:50:46 | PaulJam | linuxstb_: yes, it fixes the issue. |
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| 15:53:57 | linuxstb_ | PaulJam: OK, thanks. |
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| 16:01:35 | dionoea | does the *10 used in firmware/sound.c when setting the volume mean that we could theoretically set the volume in steps 10 times as small as what's currently available? (I can't test right now ... I will when I get back home) |
| 16:01:46 | dionoea | on wolfson audio chips |
| 16:02:01 | dionoea | *wolfsom |
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| 16:04:46 | quaal | why does my ipod only turn on 1/3 times |
| 16:04:47 | markun | I think it was added because the bass is sometimes set in steps of 1.5dB |
| 16:04:56 | quaal | the rest of the time i have to hold top and center buttons to restart it |
| 16:04:58 | linuxstb_ | quaal: Ask Apple... |
| 16:05:27 | quaal | linuxstb_, never happened until i put rockbox on it |
| 16:05:41 | linuxstb_ | People have reported the same issue when Rockbox hasn't been installed on ipods, it's just that Apple's firmware doesn't shut the device down normally (it just enters a sleep mode) |
| 16:05:57 | linuxstb_ | Whereas Rockbox does a proper power-off. |
| 16:06:04 | dionoea | Ah nevermind, the driver divides by 10 afterwards |
| 16:06:30 | quaal | k |
| 16:06:34 | quaal | so there is no known fix |
| 16:06:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | quaal: Which iPod? |
| 16:06:45 | quaal | ipod video 30g |
| 16:07:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | I've never had that issue before on mine. |
| 16:08:25 | GodEater | I've had it once on mine |
| 16:08:41 | GodEater | and once I've seen the "Very Low Battery" thing when it really wasn't |
| 16:09:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Quirks in the Apple firmware, perchance? |
| 16:09:30 | gibbon_ | GodEater: did you see this with the ac-adapter attached on a very non critical battery state? |
| 16:09:42 | gibbon_ | i did several times with my color |
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| 16:42:28 | Kreativethinkr | does any 1 now rock sansa will get usb to work i been waiting like2 years for this to work ? ? ? ? does any one know how to use the sansa drive to work on rockbox??? |
| 16:42:39 | Kreativethinkr | Know |
| 16:43:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | Kreativethinkr: Patience. The USB isn't complete yet. |
| 16:43:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | ^ *stack |
| 16:43:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | In the meantime, just use the Sansa firmware for file transfers. |
| 16:43:56 | Kreativethinkr | do u knw when it will be ? |
| 16:43:59 | Kreativethinkr | rdy ? |
| 16:44:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | Kreativethinkr: No. |
| 16:45:18 | Kreativethinkr | it just that my ps3 stop see ing my sansa fw and i wwant 2 use the rockbox |
| 16:45:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | Kreativethinkr: Please read the IRC guidelines: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines |
| 16:46:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | Stop shorthanding and use *proper* English. |
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| 16:47:19 | Kreativethinkr | sorry |
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| 17:17:57 | * | LambdaCalculus37 inspects his modified disktidy.c further |
| 17:20:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | Grrr... Kate borked all the indents. |
| 17:20:17 | Beta2K | rm -rf * |
| 17:20:36 | linuxstb_ | LambdaCalculus37: Kate is well known for trashing files... |
| 17:21:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb_: I think that's why my modified disktidy.c was returning errors. |
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| 17:27:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb_: How does this look? http://pastebin.com/m4dbc4658 |
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| 17:31:16 | amiconn | linuxstb: Btw, this hw_rew issue is also the reason for the lcd contrast being off on the affected 1st Gens. The LCD driver set 2 controller parameters based on this |
| 17:31:32 | amiconn | lcd-gray.c line 122ff |
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| 17:33:42 | linuxstb_ | LambdaCalculus37: I'm not sure what you want me to look at, but you have lots of TAB and ^M characters |
| 17:34:30 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Are you intending to implement the sysinfo struct? I'll probably have time to do it this evening or over the next few days if you're not working on it. |
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| 17:34:48 | amiconn | Right now I am thinking about what would be the best way |
| 17:35:35 | amiconn | My current idea is to target-treeify hwcompat.[ch], and put the struct declaration into hwcompat-target.h for ipods |
| 17:35:35 | linuxstb_ | Am I right in thinking that the "core IRAM" is the first half? |
| 17:35:43 | amiconn | yes |
| 17:35:54 | nate2 | quick question: I just rebuild an Ipod color with itunes, reinstalled roxbox using the automated installer and click on "database" and then select to initilize database, and the database still finds 614 songs and sits at "Building database..." is this normal? |
| 17:36:11 | linuxstb_ | So as long as the bootloader doesn't overwrite it (we can change boot.lds), and Rockbox copies it before a codec/plugin is loaded, it should be fine? |
| 17:36:36 | amiconn | Rockbox should also just stay away from the last 256 bytes of iram |
| 17:37:29 | linuxstb_ | Yes, that wouldn't be a great loss - and would make rolo simpler (i.e. nothing to do). |
| 17:37:30 | amiconn | Then struct sysinfo sysinfo would just point to the respective address, and IPOD_HW_REVISION becomes as simple as: |
| 17:38:34 | amiconn | Ah, no, just a pointer to a struct element won't work |
| 17:38:49 | amiconn | There are 2 possible locations, so we need a little function |
| 17:39:01 | linuxstb_ | nate2: No, but unfortunately not uncommon. I'm not sure how to debug it though... (maybe others reading this do) |
| 17:39:25 | linuxstb_ | What about making it a macro that returned the value? |
| 17:39:36 | nate2 | linuxstb_: ty for your reply |
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| 17:40:02 | nate2 | linuxstb_: i may try a chkdsk and see what happens, not sure if i can do that on a USB device |
| 17:40:50 | linuxstb_ | nate2: Yes, that should work fine. Either disk corruption, or corrupt/unexpected tags in your audio files seem to be the main causes I think. |
| 17:41:17 | nate2 | linuxstb_: there are no audio files... i just nuked it and rebuilt it |
| 17:41:53 | amiconn | linuxstb: Hmm, in fact I'm not sure where in memory the sysinfo structure resides... |
| 17:42:22 | amiconn | 0x40017f1c resp. 0x4001ff1c is just a pointer to the actual struct... |
| 17:43:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb_: Guess I still have a lot of cleaning up to do, then. What I posted to pastebin was the modification for disktidy.c to look for and remove .dolphinview files. |
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| 17:43:24 | pondlife | Silly idea perhaps, but do all non-1G iPods succeed when we try to identify them? i.e. is 0xffffffff a safe indicator of a 1G |
| 17:44:41 | amiconn | We should at least check a few more addresses whether we're actually reading the sysinfo |
| 17:44:58 | amiconn | The respecitve rom area seems to have a length indicator |
| 17:45:37 | amiconn | My dump has 0x90 at address 0x2004, the problematics one has 0x54 |
| 17:46:46 | linuxstb_ | I'll do some tests on my ipods tonight, to see what's going on (I don't have them with me now). |
| 17:46:50 | amiconn | http://www.ipodding.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=14 |
| 17:47:25 | amiconn | We could check whether the HwId is ascii, and equal to 820-1350-A |
| 17:47:37 | amiconn | This is almost certainly an 0x00010000 ipod |
| 17:47:54 | nate2 | ok, adding some tracks seemed to fix it, ty |
| 17:48:29 | * | amiconn googled for 820-1350-A |
| 17:48:45 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: It would be nice to deal with the sysinfo struct anyway though... |
| 17:49:22 | Llorean | pondlife: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=search2 it looks like other iPods have reported 0xffffffff in the past. |
| 17:49:35 | amiconn | Hmm. I don't see a real need for that, if we can solve the problem reliably in a different way |
| 17:49:43 | pondlife | Llorean: that's my answer then :) |
| 17:49:57 | nate2 | jeez, how do i exit the picture viewer? lol |
| 17:50:03 | Llorean | pondlife: Shoot, didn't notice search results were unlikable. Anyway, if you type 0xffffffff in there you get a bunch of results. |
| 17:50:04 | amiconn | If the sturct would reside in a fixed place, it would be easy enough, but it doesn't seem to |
| 17:50:07 | Llorean | Mostly 5.5G I think |
| 17:50:15 | nate2 | n/m |
| 17:50:19 | nate2 | ok thanks again |
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| 17:50:25 | pondlife | Llorean: Yep, that's what I did |
| 17:50:56 | amiconn | Llorean: Both G5 and G5.5 used to show 0xffffffff because those rom have the info at a different address |
| 17:51:06 | amiconn | That was fixed quite some time ago |
| 17:51:22 | Llorean | amiconn: Well, people still got it with bootloader 2.0, what's the current version? |
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| 17:52:28 | amiconn | I fixed it in SVN on 28 Oct 2007 |
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| 17:56:03 | * | amiconn wants to get rid of the TARGET_TREE macro |
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| 17:56:56 | amiconn | The only targets not having it set are the archoses. I'll check whether it can be set with little or no work, and if that's possible, remove it |
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| 17:58:25 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: I meant that we need (I assume) to take care of it if RoLo is going to stand any chance of loading the OF. |
| 17:58:51 | Llorean | amiconn: Well we haven't provided an updated binary containing your change, then. |
| 17:59:00 | amiconn | Llorean: Hmm, bad |
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| 17:59:26 | Llorean | The newest bootloader binary seems to be 18 Sep, 07 |
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| 18:00:18 | DefineByte | Anyone else think "Please reboot to enable" should be changed to something less confusing (apparently)? |
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| 18:07:32 | linuxstb_ | DefineByte: I assume someone has complained? |
| 18:07:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | DefinteByte: Nothing confusing about being asked to reboot. |
| 18:07:49 | DefineByte | people are hard-resetting apparently |
| 18:08:42 | DefineByte | so "please shutdown and reboot to enable" may be better. |
| 18:09:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | Some changes to disktidy.c to remove Dolphin files; note that this is based on an older disktidy.c. revision, but changes will be brought over to the latest revision: http://pastebin.com/d453a3282 |
| 18:09:42 | linuxstb_ | LambdaCalculus37: A "diff" is traditional... |
| 18:10:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb_: I haven't got my laptop today; thus no proper dev environment. |
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| 18:10:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'm working with stone knives and bearskins here. |
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| 18:10:49 | amiconn | DefineByte: Why would someone do this? It's beyond me... |
| 18:11:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | Plus, like I mentioned, this is on an older disktidy revision, so I need to bring the changes over to the latest revision. |
| 18:11:03 | amiconn | It says 'reboot', not 'reset' |
| 18:11:08 | DefineByte | I guess because they don't know it's a hard reset? |
| 18:11:17 | pondlife | Reboot is clear enough IMHO. |
| 18:11:49 | DefineByte | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15946.0 |
| 18:11:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | Seconded. |
| 18:11:53 | linuxstb_ | I think it's simply that people might not realise there is any difference between reboot and reset. |
| 18:12:33 | DefineByte | lower down in that thread |
| 18:12:52 | * | amiconn agrees with pondlife |
| 18:13:15 | DefineByte | yeah, coz he agrees with you. x) |
| 18:13:16 | * | linuxstb_ thinks we need to take account of the level of expertise of our users (as much as is reasonable...) |
| 18:13:34 | DefineByte | It can't hurt to be more explicit. |
| 18:13:39 | amiconn | Messages should be kept short |
| 18:13:40 | Llorean | Why not "Shutdown" instead of "Reboot" |
| 18:13:51 | Llorean | We can take it as "obvious" that you need to then boot back up |
| 18:13:59 | * | linuxstb_ imagines people shutting down and waiting.... ;) |
| 18:14:14 | Llorean | linuxstb_: I think that's less likely than people Menu+Selecting though. :-P |
| 18:14:49 | pondlife | Why not tell them they need to reboot and (on targets where it's possible) offer that as an option? |
| 18:14:56 | pondlife | i.e. SELECT to reboot |
| 18:15:40 | DefineByte | well, they may not want to reboot straight away and they they 'reboot' (hard reset) later |
| 18:15:45 | linuxstb_ | Or make Rockbox not need the reboot at all... |
| 18:15:48 | DefineByte | -they |
| 18:15:56 | DefineByte | would be best of cours |
| 18:15:58 | DefineByte | +e |
| 18:16:06 | amiconn | Hmm. Recorders and Player are fine with target tree, but the Ondios are giving trouble (hotswap related) |
| 18:16:08 | Llorean | linuxstb_: Honestly, I wasn't aware that it still did. Last time I initialized a database, I swear it didn't end up requiring a reboot. |
| 18:16:32 | pondlife | Llorean: It's dircache, not databae |
| 18:16:35 | pondlife | database |
| 18:16:46 | Llorean | Oh |
| 18:16:47 | Llorean | Right |
| 18:16:48 | amiconn | Llorean: You need to reboot when initing database if you have dircache disabled |
| 18:16:58 | * | pondlife learns something |
| 18:17:06 | amiconn | And there are a few other settings which require a reboot to become active |
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| 18:17:51 | Llorean | Well, in as long as a reboot is needed, I think "Shutdown" is less confusing on iPods at least. |
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| 18:18:36 | linuxstb_ | How does Windows phrase it when it needs a reboot? |
| 18:18:55 | pondlife | I think the term is "Restart" |
| 18:19:16 | * | pondlife tries to think of a way to trigger that |
| 18:19:27 | amiconn | Trigger what? |
| 18:19:38 | linuxstb_ | pondlife: Yes, I was thinking of "restart" |
| 18:19:47 | pondlife | Windows wanting a restart... ah, I'll move my swapfile.. |
| 18:19:48 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Windows needing a reboot |
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| 18:20:22 | DefineByte | I can still see Ipod owners resetting if told to restart. |
| 18:20:49 | DefineByte | They don't know the setting won't be saved. |
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| 18:21:29 | pondlife | Windows says "The changes you have made require you to restart your computer before they can take effect." (c) BillG |
| 18:21:57 | pondlife | Then "Do you want to restart your computer now?" |
| 18:22:07 | DefineByte | and it has a 'Restart' option in the start menu |
| 18:22:23 | pondlife | But Rockbox != Windows... |
| 18:22:34 | DefineByte | your point? |
| 18:22:35 | linuxstb_ | That message wouldn't fit on a lot of screens... |
| 18:22:36 | DefineByte | :) |
| 18:22:41 | amiconn | A bit of rtfm is always necessary |
| 18:22:51 | linuxstb_ | But does the fm describe it? |
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| 18:23:35 | kslater | crap |
| 18:23:42 | kslater | was just about to ask him a question |
| 18:24:08 | linuxstb_ | kslater: Just ask - maybe others can answer (or gevaerts will read it in the logs) |
| 18:24:12 | pondlife | kslater: Some devs are psychic like that. |
| 18:24:47 | amiconn | Hmm. Cleaning up hotswap for target-treeifying Ondios requires some MMC-SD unification work |
| 18:24:53 | DefineByte | I can't find an explanation in te manual (quick glance). |
| 18:25:05 | kslater | yesterday, we found that when I loaded the latest e200 build on my e260, it fired up the USB stuff. (Windows saw it as a disk drive, etc.) |
| 18:25:36 | kslater | my e260 is bit brain damaged though, so I wondered if it's possible to turn it off somehow? |
| 18:25:44 | DefineByte | "you can return to Rockbox by pressing and holding Menu and Select simultaneously until the player reboots." |
| 18:25:53 | kslater | the usb stuff, not the e260 itself |
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| 18:25:58 | DefineByte | It calls menu+select rebooting. :) |
| 18:26:05 | mcuelenaere | can someone explain me why "mov r8, #0xff00\n orr r8, r8, #0xff" shouldn't be "mov r8, #0xffff" ? |
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| 18:26:43 | amiconn | mcuelenaere: Because that's impossible in arm asm |
| 18:26:56 | mcuelenaere | and why so? |
| 18:26:58 | linuxstb_ | mcuelenaere: Constants only have a limited precision. |
| 18:27:08 | amiconn | Constants must not spread across more than 8 bits, left-shifted by an even bit count |
| 18:27:09 | mcuelenaere | ah and 0xffff is beyond that limit? |
| 18:27:17 | mcuelenaere | ok |
| 18:27:19 | amiconn | Check the arm reference manual |
| 18:27:42 | amiconn | s/left shifted/rotated/ |
| 18:28:22 | linuxstb_ | mcuelenaere: Every ARM instruction is encoded in 32 bits... |
| 18:28:29 | mcuelenaere | yes I know |
| 18:28:36 | mcuelenaere | except the thumb ones, right? |
| 18:28:39 | bluebrother | DefineByte: maybe that should be called reset |
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| 18:28:52 | DefineByte | probably. |
| 18:28:54 | linuxstb_ | mcuelenaere: Yes |
| 18:28:59 | DefineByte | well, definitely. |
| 18:29:16 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: Or maybe even "hard reset" |
| 18:29:29 | pondlife | reboot/restart/reset... what's the difference? |
| 18:29:52 | DefineByte | there's a big difference |
| 18:30:04 | pondlife | Seriously... I have no Apple hardware. |
| 18:30:26 | pondlife | Anyone fancy defining them, in a Rockbox context...? |
| 18:30:28 | linuxstb_ | pondlife: Holding MENU+SELECT is the hard reset - the same as pressing the iriver's little reset button with a staple |
| 18:30:43 | pondlife | OK, so that's a reset/reboot/restart.. |
| 18:31:12 | DefineByte | Sounds like you're in favour of changing the message. |
| 18:31:14 | linuxstb_ | And we're using "reboot" to mean a clean shutdown in Rockbox, followed by turning the device back on. |
| 18:31:27 | pondlife | Ah, that means "shutdown" |
| 18:31:32 | pondlife | So the message is wrong |
| 18:31:52 | DefineByte | Yes. It's really askin for a shutdown. |
| 18:31:56 | amiconn | The message is correct |
| 18:32:02 | linuxstb_ | I wouldn't call it wrong, but I can see how it can be misinterpreted |
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| 18:32:20 | pondlife | If you want the user to do a shutdown, why not prompt them to do so? |
| 18:32:23 | amiconn | 'Reboot' means to restart in a clean way, i.e. shutdown + power back on |
| 18:32:40 | amiconn | 'Reset' is the hard way, giving rockbox no chance to save anything |
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| 18:32:59 | pondlife | True.. and 'Restart' is not clear enough to be useful. |
| 18:33:00 | linuxstb_ | pondlife: Yes, that was Llorean's suggestion, but it sounds odd to tell people to turn something off for it to work... |
| 18:33:33 | DefineByte | Was my suggestion so bad? >.> |
| 18:33:33 | pondlife | So "Reboot" would be ok, but the manual should agree.. and "Restart" should not be used. |
| 18:33:50 | * | amiconn thinks that we have more important problems that this though... |
| 18:34:00 | * | pondlife agrees |
| 18:34:04 | DefineByte | right, but fixing it would take 5 seconds |
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| 18:34:36 | * | linuxstb_ goes to solve his immediate problem - getting home |
| 18:34:39 | pondlife | DefineByte: We just agreed that the message is correct. |
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| 18:34:47 | pondlife | The manual might need work |
| 18:35:19 | bluebrother | hard reset sounds to be a good way calling it |
| 18:35:28 | bluebrother | IMO :) |
| 18:36:16 | nls_web | Bagder: I think Buschel should be promoted to dev in the tracker so he can close his own tasks now :) |
| 18:36:58 | pondlife | hehe, perhaps the tracker can look in COMMITTERS too |
| 18:37:04 | DefineByte | Will you change it bluebrother or do you want a patch? |
| 18:37:29 | pondlife | DefineByte: The manual? |
| 18:37:36 | DefineByte | yes |
| 18:37:39 | pondlife | OK |
| 18:37:48 | pondlife | Just making sure ;) |
| 18:37:55 | DefineByte | :p |
| 18:38:02 | bluebrother | DefineByte: tell me the file it's in or create a patch. Don't want to search for the exact position ;-) |
| 18:38:50 | pondlife | Probably need to search the entire manual for the words reboot, reset, restart and shutdown, then check for consistency. |
| 18:39:11 | DefineByte | All good fun. :D |
| 18:39:41 | pondlife | On a related note, it would be nice if I could reboot when mains is applied (at least on targets that can RoLo). |
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| 18:45:49 | DefineByte | Does menu+select hard reset on all targets? |
| 18:46:00 | DefineByte | i.e. settings won't be saved |
| 18:46:13 | domonoky | DefineByte: nope har-reset is a hardware feature.. |
| 18:46:15 | pondlife | No, only iPods |
| 18:46:39 | DefineByte | okay. |
| 18:46:41 | domonoky | on irivers there is a reset hole ( works the same as long menu+select) |
| 18:46:42 | bluebrother | only on the later Ipods. IIRC the IpodFAQ page holds a link to an Apple site that has all combinations |
| 18:48:34 | bluebrother | domonoky: what do you think about trying to get out a new release of rbutil in like 2 weeks? |
| 18:49:00 | domonoky | sounds good, and its needed because of the new targets :-) |
| 18:49:13 | bluebrother | I think supporting the m:robe justifies that (plus some of the glitches that went with the last release) |
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| 18:49:34 | bluebrother | I'm planning to add some small improvements before though −− I hope to get things done over easter. |
| 18:49:41 | domonoky | :-) |
| 18:49:48 | pondlife | bluebrother, domonoky: One tiny thing that annoys me about RBUtil is the Cancel button - could it be "Close" instead? |
| 18:50:08 | pondlife | I.e. After I have updated Rockbox, Cancel feels wrong. |
| 18:50:11 | domonoky | there is also this bug with cut off string in the voicegeneration... (but i still didnt find the bug) |
| 18:50:23 | bluebrother | domonoky: fix it! ;-) |
| 18:50:28 | bluebrother | pondlife: sure. |
| 18:51:29 | bluebrother | me thought about rejecting automatic installation if ipodpatcher detects a different Ipod than the user selected |
| 18:51:43 | bluebrother | also, I'd like to add some autodetection-startup-thingy |
| 18:51:53 | pondlife | "Cancel" is correct on the Configuration screen, of course.... |
| 18:52:21 | * | bluebrother puts this change to his todo list |
| 18:52:24 | domonoky | bluebrother: rejecting is to hard.. what about a warning ? (maybe detection is failing, and the user choose the right one) |
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| 18:53:27 | bluebrother | domonoky: detection is completely reliably on Ipods ... |
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| 18:53:36 | bluebrother | *reliable |
| 18:54:01 | DefineByte | Just noticed I can't select 'Ipod' under 'player type' on flyspray. Ah well. |
| 18:54:05 | domonoky | bluebrother: only if there is only one ipod connected.. if you connect two.. :-) |
| 18:54:32 | bluebrother | well, then installation wouldn't make sense too −− which Ipod will ipodpatcher install the bootloader to? |
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| 18:55:44 | bluebrother | also, I only want to prevent the automatic installations, not the manual ones |
| 18:56:55 | bluebrother | my main idea is to prevent 1G vs Nano 1G issues (like just happened in the forums) |
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| 18:58:23 | DefineByte | bluebrother: FS #8760 |
| 18:58:59 | domonoky | bluebrother: you mean only in the combined install routines ? |
| 18:59:05 | bluebrother | domonoky: yes. |
| 18:59:14 | domonoky | oki, then go for it.. |
| 18:59:26 | * | amiconn has a quick hack for the ipod bootloader to display the hardware revision found in SysI |
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| 19:00:07 | amiconn | Works on my 1st Gen - the question is whether it works properly on the problematic 1st Gens |
| 19:01:55 | bluebrother | DefineByte: thanks, committed. |
| 19:02:20 | DefineByte | atleast people can say 'RTFM!' on the forums now. |
| 19:02:27 | DefineByte | :) |
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| 19:03:29 | DefineByte | I'll look further into reboot's usage in the manual at a later date (if no-one else wants the pleasure). |
| 19:03:42 | bluebrother | DefineByte: please do |
| 19:05:07 | amiconn | Also works on my mini 2nd gen |
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| 19:06:17 | amiconn | The struct is in IRAM, its actual address varies with target (and apple flash firmware version??) |
| 19:06:22 | Casainho | hello RB people :-) |
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| 19:07:15 | amiconn | Perhaps we should collect those addresses from as many ipods as possible, *if* we want to get RoLo to work for the OF |
| 19:07:43 | Casainho | I work with Atmel AVR 8 bits MCU. I would like to know if ARM MCUs runs the code from SRAM? don't they read the program code directly from from flash memory? |
| 19:07:43 | * | amiconn isn't sure whether that's wanted |
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| 19:10:34 | amiconn | Is there a 16 char username limit on freenode? |
| 19:11:00 | bluebrother | Casainho: in case of Rockbox targets code is run from RAM −− the code is loaded from disk |
| 19:11:33 | bluebrother | some targets (like archos and iriver h100) can run "rombox" which runs the code from flash |
| 19:11:35 | Casainho | bluebrother: I am reading about u-boot, for make a first bootloader... |
| 19:12:00 | scorche|sh | amiconn: NICKLEN=16 |
| 19:12:01 | Casainho | bluebrother: thanks - I will read more about rombox later. |
| 19:12:08 | scorche|sh | so, yes |
| 19:12:14 | bluebrother | but iriver isn't ARM; neither is Archos |
| 19:12:29 | bluebrother | but I'm quite sure ARM can run code from flash as well. |
| 19:12:35 | amiconn | Of course |
| 19:13:00 | amiconn | All pp targets except the Sansas boot that way |
| 19:13:00 | domonoky | Casainho: normally you dont execute code from flash, you copy it to ram or sram (fast internal ram) and then execute it.. |
| 19:13:18 | Casainho | domonoky: and why? :-) |
| 19:13:21 | bluebrother | domonoky: AVR executes code from flash ... |
| 19:13:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Yes, that's why I had to drop the 9 from my nick. |
| 19:13:45 | amiconn | Yeah, I was wondering about that |
| 19:13:46 | * | bluebrother wonders if ths 379 is meaning something |
| 19:14:39 | Casainho | domonoky: I want to make u-boot to work on the development board for the RockboxPlayer Prototype |
| 19:14:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | bluebrother: Two reasons: 379 is a prime number; in this case, it's a Chen prime: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_prime |
| 19:14:57 | domonoky | Casainho: perhaps because its easier, you dont have to care as much about what is static code and data, and what is modifyable (has to be in ram) |
| 19:15:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | Also, 379 is representative of my birthday... March '79. |
| 19:15:37 | * | LambdaCalculus37 is done with his off-topic chat for now :) |
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| 19:15:46 | Casainho | domonoky: okok, I think I understand now. Are you familiar with u-boot? |
| 19:15:47 | amiconn | domonoky: You mean it promotes laziness... :\ |
| 19:16:11 | domonoky | :-) and no i dont know u-boot .. |
| 19:16:11 | bluebrother | and it wastes RAM ... |
| 19:17:18 | amiconn | Well, sometimes the reason is speed |
| 19:17:26 | Casainho | bluebrother: in the cases of RB that loads code to RAM, from disk, who do that?? the RB bootloader? |
| 19:17:34 | amiconn | On archos, flash rom is 8 bit while dram is 16 bit |
| 19:17:42 | amiconn | But even then, running rombox pays off... |
| 19:18:14 | bluebrother | Casainho: the bootloader loads the code from disk. But some players have the bootloader on disk too (like Ipods) |
| 19:18:51 | Casainho | bluebrother: ok, and bootloader loads all code from disk at boot of the system? |
| 19:19:14 | bluebrother | yep, that's its purpose. |
| 19:19:37 | Casainho | bluebrother: I didn't know eheh, now I know more things :-) |
| 19:19:40 | bluebrother | but don't ask me too much details about this, I'm more in rbutil development than core Rockbox itself ;) |
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| 19:20:34 | Casainho | is anyone here which can help me with u-boot? |
| 19:21:05 | bluebrother | isn't there a channel like #u-boot? |
| 19:21:20 | pondlife | There's a channel #rockbox-community... |
| 19:21:24 | pixelma | but if it's a german channel... |
| 19:21:25 | markun | Casainho: I think Bagder has some experience with it |
| 19:21:54 | * | bluebrother has no experience with u-boot |
| 19:22:12 | Casainho | markun: ok, I will ask to bagder, later |
| 19:22:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | Casainho: http://www.denx.de/wiki/UBoot |
| 19:22:45 | bluebrother | Casainho: check #u-boot −− doesn't seem to be a german channel (though there are some germans in there ;-) |
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| 19:23:08 | Casainho | okok - thanks |
| 19:23:17 | bluebrother | but the topic sounds pretty much like u-boot related |
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| 19:23:50 | bluebrother | and not not submarine related (u-boot is german for submarine) |
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| 19:26:42 | plb | hm question whenever rockbox gets working on the d2 would it be able to make use of these eye-fi cards? |
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| 19:27:58 | markun | plb: what are those? |
| 19:28:15 | plb | wi-fi card built into sd card |
| 19:28:40 | plb | http://www.eye.fi/ |
| 19:28:44 | markun | ah, I see it now |
| 19:28:45 | plb | pretty neat stuff ;] |
| 19:29:06 | markun | does it behave like a normal sd card or does the camera/DAP need some special software on it? |
| 19:29:10 | plb | I think it would be cool if that was working being able to submit stuff via last.fm |
| 19:29:14 | plb | no idea |
| 19:29:17 | plb | don't have one =\ |
| 19:29:26 | plb | er |
| 19:29:28 | markun | it would surprise me if you need to modify the camera firmware |
| 19:29:29 | plb | to last.fm rather |
| 19:30:13 | plb | I have no idea how it works |
| 19:30:23 | scorche|sh | i assume it is SDIO? |
| 19:30:47 | nls_web | seems like it just sends the files over wifi and an app on a computer saves them |
| 19:30:47 | plb | actually it was on engagdet the other day.. |
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| 19:32:42 | plb | http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/18/eye-fi-sd-card-cracked-splayed/ |
| 19:32:47 | plb | just yesterday |
| 19:32:53 | plb | cracked |
| 19:33:09 | plb | pretty cool if it could work on the d2 |
| 19:34:00 | Llorean | Does it require special cameras, or will it work in any camera? |
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| 19:35:02 | plb | I have no idea |
| 19:35:34 | domonoky | it seams this eye-fiis just a sd card with a little cpu and wifi built in, so it should work on anything with an sd slot.. at least according to the description.. |
| 19:35:38 | Llorean | If it works in any camera, basically it's PC side software you'd need to work on. All Rockbox would have to do is make sure the file you wanted synced to PC was on the card. |
| 19:36:38 | plb | so will the d2 be the next dap to get rockboxed? |
| 19:36:59 | Llorean | There's no way of predicting. |
| 19:36:59 | domonoky | rockbox would have to put files to sync on the card (maybe with sepecial names) and then they are send to a samsba dir on your pc, or to a fotowebsite :-) |
| 19:37:19 | Llorean | plb: Basically, rockbox comes to whatever target people work on it for. |
| 19:37:35 | plb | make some last.fm integration..wonder if that's possible |
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| 19:37:53 | Llorean | plb: As I said, it's more the job of the PC side app to do that. |
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| 19:39:01 | scorche|sh | yeah...one has to have the "Eye-Fi Manager" program up and running on your PC for it to work |
| 19:40:50 | Llorean | So I'd imagine an OSS eye-fi manager replacement would be just the ticket. |
| 19:41:16 | Llorean | And, as I said before, then it's just Rockbox's job to put the last.fm logging on the card rather than the primary storage. |
| 19:41:43 | gevaerts | So what players with SD slot are supported ? |
| 19:42:02 | Llorean | Right now, just the Sansas |
| 19:42:19 | domonoky | ondio ? |
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| 19:42:21 | Llorean | And for removable storage total, it's just the Sansas and the Ondio with its MMC I believe. |
| 19:42:24 | gevaerts | Those are microSD |
| 19:42:24 | Llorean | domonoky: Ondio is MMC. |
| 19:42:33 | Llorean | microSD is part of the SD standard. =P |
| 19:42:40 | Llorean | gevaerts: No pure SD then. |
| 19:42:42 | scorche|sh | no...Sansas are micro...eye-fi wont work |
| 19:42:43 | domonoky | isnt mmc and sd compatible ? |
| 19:42:52 | amiconn | Yes and no |
| 19:42:59 | plb | sansa just has microsd don't they? |
| 19:43:05 | * | gevaerts doesn't know of a microSD to SD adapter. Most people seem to want the other way around |
| 19:43:08 | scorche|sh | as i just said.. |
| 19:43:09 | plb | d2 is the only one with sd? |
| 19:43:11 | dan_a | LLorean: But the eye-fi card wouldn't fit in a microsd slot. Not without a hacksaw |
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| 19:43:15 | Llorean | plb: d2 isn't supported. |
| 19:43:19 | plb | i know |
| 19:43:21 | amiconn | The contacts are placed the same, but standard SD is 2.1mm thick while standard MMC is only 1.4mm thick |
| 19:43:25 | plb | it's on its way though ;] |
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| 19:43:32 | markun | maybe this tool can download more than just jpeg: http://sr71.net/projects/eyefi/ |
| 19:43:32 | Llorean | dan_a: I didn't realize he was talking specifically about that card, I thought he was asking a removable storage question since he's our USB guy |
| 19:43:39 | amiconn | So while you can put an MMC into an SD slot the opposite won't work |
| 19:44:02 | amiconn | So-called thin SD would work (they are also just 1.4mm thick) |
| 19:44:54 | amiconn | Then there are slight differences between SD and MMC protocols. |
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| 19:45:52 | amiconn | The Ondio's CPU accesses the MMC in SPI mode. The USB bridge uses MMC mode |
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| 21:03:00 | crzyboyster | I am working on an update to the Hindi translation using rasher's translation page > http://rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/?cmd=edit&lang=hindi I have a few questions, though. |
| 21:03:33 | crzyboyster | Whenever it displays a grey text field, you shouldn't input anything there? |
| 21:03:40 | Klevi | Question rather unrelated to rockbox: Cygwin after installing fails to start due to a "Missing dll file" Though I have looked, and the file is present. Any Ideas? |
| 21:04:21 | crzyboyster | Never mind what I asked.. |
| 21:04:56 | scorche|sh | Klevi: re-install?...this isnt really on-topic here |
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| 21:05:28 | pixelma | bluebrother: seen my simple fix for the problem I was investigating yesterday (virtual keyboard button table missing in the c200 manual)? Turns out that a line break in the opt is a bit problematic though possible. I first tried to put the break before the , which helped in the c200 manual but then the table was missing in the e200 manual... |
| 21:06:18 | * | gevaerts doesn't think that is a problem. He doesn't have an e200 |
| 21:06:46 | pixelma | unfortunately the commit wasn't picked up for the daily build round this night, it helped here so hopefully it's in there tomorrow |
| 21:07:11 | gibbon_ | a question to the menus... what exactly does the ID2P() macro expand to? |
| 21:09:06 | bertrik | IIRC, it's a translated string for low argument value, large values are considered as straight pointers |
| 21:09:13 | bertrik | but I'll have to look it up to be sure |
| 21:09:41 | gibbon_ | perhaps i just say what i am up to? |
| 21:10:06 | gibbon_ | i want to implement a menu, where the user can choose from some values (numerical, some negative) |
| 21:10:18 | gibbon_ | is INT_SETTING more appropiate? |
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| 21:10:49 | bluebrother | pixelma: noticed the solution. Nice to know ;-) |
| 21:10:53 | linuxstb_ | gibbon_: I would guess so, but I'm no expert on the menu code... |
| 21:11:19 | bluebrother | looks correct on my local build too. |
| 21:11:55 | gibbon_ | linuxstb_: i need it as an integer... so perhaps thats better |
| 21:12:28 | pixelma | bluebrother: yeah, there are some more very long opt lines in other places too... |
| 21:14:00 | gibbon_ | hm... |
| 21:17:43 | * | bluebrother wonders why current articles about Rockbox still mention the manual installation method ... |
| 21:17:53 | bluebrother | or, why they don't mention rbutil at all |
| 21:18:35 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: You need a better publicist... |
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| 21:19:29 | bluebrother | yeah, seems we need someone to create colorful posters ;-) |
| 21:21:40 | shotofadds | There was a suggestion in the "website redesign" forum thread about adding a big "how to install"-type link on the front page, which might do the job nicely. |
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| 21:28:09 | domonoky | hm, it seems wavtrim somehow breaks the wavfiles the sapiscript generates in rbutil. If i comment the use of wavtrim in rbutil the wavefiles for the voice are good, with wavetrim, some of them are broken... |
| 21:28:40 | domonoky | but then wavtrim should also break the official voices, as it uses the same code.. :-/ |
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| 21:29:11 | linuxstb_ | Are you talking about Windows? |
| 21:29:15 | bluebrother | doesn't wavtrim "only" remove silence from the clips? |
| 21:29:28 | domonoky | yes, rbutil on windows.. |
| 21:29:33 | pixelma | bluebrother: the installation section in the manual needs an overhaul - some very important info is only in the "manual installation" section which comes after the "automated installation with rbutil". One article about Rockbox makes the problem quite obvius: installation on an Ipod was described as use rbutil's "complete installation" plus use ipodpatcher to install the bootloader afterwards... |
| 21:29:37 | pixelma | already started to collect all the info and find a good structure (wanted to make that open in the forum thread). Problem is that I want to do too much at once... :\ |
| 21:29:46 | linuxstb_ | domonoky: Are files opened in binary mode? |
| 21:30:05 | bluebrother | pixelma: urgh ... haven't lost track about the manual |
| 21:30:28 | bluebrother | *have |
| 21:30:31 | domonoky | linuxstb: yes wavtrim uses binary mode.. |
| 21:30:50 | domonoky | and it opens the files it self.. |
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| 21:34:36 | domonoky | is there a way to check how a wavfile is broken ? ( the broken ones are smaller the working ones, and the broken ones dont play in winamp, but play in win mediaplayer, and they result in cut off speak in the voicefile itself... ) |
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| 21:43:14 | Beta2K | So does anyone have any incling as to what's up with FS #8641? |
| 21:44:43 | gibbon_ | wow... |
| 21:44:57 | gibbon_ | i think i got the TABLE setting macro compiling on my own |
| 21:45:08 | gibbon_ | there are still wonders |
| 21:46:38 | bluebrother | domonoky: is the file header of the broken files intact? I.e. the RIFF header present? |
| 21:46:54 | Llorean | Beta2K: Surely if someone had thoughts on it, they'd comment on it... |
| 21:47:09 | Beta2K | Meh, just thought I'd ask :) |
| 21:47:37 | bluebrother | domonoky: http://www.lightlink.com/tjweber/StripWav/Canon.html |
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| 21:47:59 | bluebrother | maybe you could check if the file length is correct |
| 21:49:17 | gibbon_ | but i got it segfaulting :P |
| 21:49:56 | * | domonoky searches for a hexeditor on windows.. :-) |
| 21:50:44 | pixelma | what about xvi32? :) |
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| 21:51:54 | pixelma | domonoky: http://www.chmaas.handshake.de/delphi/freeware/xvi32/xvi32.htm |
| 21:52:23 | * | bluebrother points to gvim and :%!xxd ;-) |
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| 22:00:02 | Camroc | hey can anyone help me out? i wanna know how to sync my iPod running Rockbox to sync with my Last.fm. Is that possible? |
| 22:00:46 | domonoky | hm, the RIFF header seams to be broken, this file size isnt correct... but wavtrim seems to work in the normal buildsystem even on cygwin.. :-/ |
| 22:01:06 | krazykit | Camroc, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LastFMLog |
| 22:03:22 | Camroc | Thank you |
| 22:05:44 | gibbon_ | yehaa! |
| 22:05:46 | domonoky | no i was reading the length entry the wrong way, it seams to fit .. |
| 22:05:58 | gibbon_ | its working... thank you for this gorgeous menu system |
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| 22:32:45 | Llorean | Nevermind |
| 22:32:47 | Llorean | Found the table |
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| 23:25:51 | reformed44 | hi |
| 23:26:59 | bluebrother | hi |
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| 23:37:18 | * | bluebrother just split the rbutil wiki page |
| 23:38:02 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: Why not simply call it something like RockboxInstallation ? |
| 23:38:37 | bluebrother | hmm. |
| 23:38:59 | bluebrother | currently I split out the development stuff to a new page. |
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| 23:39:49 | linuxstb_ | So what's the purpose of the RockboxUtility page now? The manual contains download links... |
| 23:40:24 | bluebrother | it's an overview page and it holds screenshots and the changelog |
| 23:40:39 | bluebrother | though I think we should have the changelog as text file in the download archive. |
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| 23:46:31 | gibbon_ | good night |
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| 23:48:19 | markun | good night gibbon_ |
| 23:49:08 | gibbon_ | tomorrow i will try to post my patch to flyspray |
| 23:49:26 | * | gevaerts goes to sleep as well |
| 23:49:32 | gevaerts | Good night all |
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