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| 00:03:46 | piga | I think my mp3player is not supported |
| 00:03:51 | piga | But I can buy one if needed |
| 00:04:04 | dcbahr | that always hlps |
| 00:04:08 | gevaerts | Which one do you have ? |
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| 00:05:41 | Exclamation | i have a 30g ipod video, i cant get rockbox to go into usb mode |
| 00:06:21 | piga | It is a generic. It is made in my country. |
| 00:06:38 | gevaerts | Exclamation: you are aware that rockbox doesn't yet have a working usb mode itself ? |
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| 00:07:42 | Exclamation | by usb mode i meant so that my computer can mount it |
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| 00:07:56 | piga | How do you test the builds? Is there a simulation platform? |
| 00:08:26 | gevaerts | Exclamation: yes. That's what's usually meant. |
| 00:08:35 | Llorean | Exclamation: Have you tried manually rebooting into the apple firmware? |
| 00:08:53 | Exclamation | Llorean: yes, it works with the apple firmware |
| 00:09:07 | Llorean | piga: What do you mean "test"? There a UI simulator, for testing non-hardware things. |
| 00:09:19 | gevaerts | piga: there are simulators that are mostly used for testing gui work, but hardware-level testing happens on the actual players |
| 00:09:21 | Llorean | Exclamation: Well, since Rockbox doesn't have a USB mode, you're supposed to use the apple software for now. |
| 00:10:30 | Exclamation | It was working yesterday, when i plugged in the cable a usb image showed up on the screen |
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| 00:10:46 | Llorean | Exclamation: Are you using an official buidl? |
| 00:10:48 | Llorean | build |
| 00:10:52 | Exclamation | yes |
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| 00:11:28 | gevaerts | piga: for normal rockbox builds, that's safe (for normal changes...), testing bootloader builds can be risky on some platforms |
| 00:12:02 | Llorean | Exclamation: If you downloaded one of the SVN builds, it should never have connected without automatically rebooting into the Apple Disk Mode. |
| 00:12:47 | gevaerts | Exclamation: hmm. Is it possible for system_reboot() to fail (and therefore return and continue) on ipod ? |
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| 00:13:05 | gevaerts | Exclamation: sorry. That question was meant for general developers, not for you |
| 00:13:47 | gevaerts | Other people: Is it possible for system_reboot() to fail (and therefore return and continue) on ipod ? |
| 00:13:59 | Exclamation | Llorean: i guess it was rebooting into apple disk mode |
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| 00:14:29 | gevaerts | Exclamation: so it showed the USB image and then rebooted ? |
| 00:14:37 | Exclamation | gevaerts: yeah |
| 00:14:46 | gevaerts | OK. That's what it's meant to do currently |
| 00:15:00 | Exclamation | yes, its not doing that now when i plug it in |
| 00:15:26 | Exclamation | it just stays on the menu |
| 00:15:31 | DefineByte | Just wondering, does rbutil try using volume size to guess the mount point? |
| 00:15:36 | Exclamation | and a small icon shows up beside the battery |
| 00:15:49 | gevaerts | Exclamation: Did you upgrade, or is it still the same version ? |
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| 00:16:22 | markun | gevaerts: I just found this http://web.interware.hu/rudas/dbalatoni/S5L840F.pdf |
| 00:16:51 | Exclamation | gevaerts: i did a reinstall, i think its the same version though |
| 00:16:56 | markun | a lot of the addresses are the same as the ones from the S5L8700 and hopefully they function in the same way as well |
| 00:18:20 | gevaerts | Exclamation: what version is it exactly ? You can find that in System->Rockbox Info |
| 00:18:32 | linuxstb_ | gevaerts: No, system_reboot (on ipods at least) shouldn't fail |
| 00:19:08 | gevaerts | linuxstb_: thanks. I had ruled out that possibility on other grounds, but it's still good to know |
| 00:19:52 | linuxstb_ | gevaerts: Checking the code, there's a while(1) at the end - so the worst that can happen is that it freezes there |
| 00:20:51 | Exclamation | gevaerts: i just downgraded to r16717M-080319 and its working again. so i must have upgraded when i reinstalled |
| 00:21:00 | gevaerts | markun: one problem: this one doesn't seem to do USB 2.0. |
| 00:21:12 | markun | gevaerts: not USB no |
| 00:21:55 | markun | so lets hope some other datasheet like the S3C2443X match for that |
| 00:22:31 | gevaerts | Exclamation: Thanks. That means I made a mistake somewhere today. I'll fix it as soon as possible. |
| 00:23:47 | Exclamation | gevaerts: np, thanks for your help. |
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| 00:24:55 | markun | gevaerts: but I guess it's useful for RTC, interrupts, DMA etc |
| 00:25:36 | gevaerts | markun: probably. And I guess if we have to choose between USB and all the rest, the choice is clear |
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| 00:25:47 | markun | :) |
| 00:25:55 | gevaerts | USB of course :) |
| 00:25:59 | markun | we'll figure it all out eventually |
| 00:26:16 | markun | maybe kgb2008 comes up with the datasheet next week ;) |
| 00:26:51 | * | gevaerts grabs his ipod |
| 00:28:30 | * | amiconn mrfs |
| 00:28:48 | amiconn | This spinup at each track change is really annoying |
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| 00:31:14 | Hodapp | I get a bit of that too . . . I just get really annoyed when I have to wait like 20 seconds while it spins the disk up and does whatever it's doing while I try to change tracks. |
| 00:31:40 | dcbahr | ok so it's not just me where it does that with the spinup, it makes fast navigation damned near impossible |
| 00:31:41 | amiconn | That's not what I mean |
| 00:31:49 | gevaerts | markun: did you manage to run code already ? |
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| 00:32:31 | gevaerts | Hodapp, dcbahr : do you have dircache enabled ? |
| 00:32:37 | saratoga | piga: I added the arm emulator idea |
| 00:32:40 | amiconn | Rockbox spins up the disk at track change when playing continuously, even if there are several tracks in buffer |
| 00:32:49 | Hodapp | gevaerts: how does one tell? |
| 00:32:50 | dcbahr | but right now i'm stuck with the spelling of filenames because of some error in the script, even thenough I reinstalled the zip file, I don't get it |
| 00:32:58 | Llorean | amiconn: There have been bugs on that for a little while, I thought it got fixed though. |
| 00:33:19 | amiconn | If dircache is enabled, it doesn't do this, but I don't want to enable dircache on 16MB targets |
| 00:34:17 | gevaerts | Hodapp: Settings->General Settings->System->Disk->Directory Cache |
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| 00:35:27 | Hodapp | ok. I'll make sure that's enabled when I grab my ipod. |
| 00:36:14 | piga | saratoga: Hello, I think I can use ArchC (http://www.archc.org/) to do an arm emulator |
| 00:37:03 | * | gevaerts can now reproduce Exclamation's bug |
| 00:37:30 | saratoga | piga: I've heard of system-c but never used it |
| 00:37:40 | saratoga | i assume it has free compilers and such available? |
| 00:39:24 | piga | saratoga: Yes, the systemc is a C++ library and it is available at (http://www.systemc.com) |
| 00:40:03 | saratoga | ah sounds cool |
| 00:40:14 | markun | gevaerts: didn't code anything yet |
| 00:40:28 | gevaerts | piga: I think you mean http://www.systemc.org/ |
| 00:40:29 | markun | and I don't have access to a computer during the weekend |
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| 00:41:07 | piga | gevaerts: right! |
| 00:41:49 | saratoga | piga: my concern is that they don't claim to have a complete ARM simulator suitable for running an OS |
| 00:41:54 | saratoga | there is one on google |
| 00:42:11 | saratoga | but i'd be hesitant about using something like this that isn't extremely well tested |
| 00:42:32 | piga | saratoga: SystemC no but ArchC yes |
| 00:42:33 | saratoga | trouble shooting the emulator itself would be a nightmare i think, and then you'd have to worry about the rockbox parts |
| 00:43:06 | piga | ArchC has an ARM processor implemented |
| 00:43:40 | piga | and I think I could use it to do an emulator |
| 00:43:52 | piga | That is my idea |
| 00:44:21 | saratoga | piga: its not on their download page (just sparc, ppc, mips. etc) |
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| 00:44:46 | gevaerts | piga: are there ArchC models for coldfire and sh available ? |
| 00:45:21 | * | gevaerts tries to help here, but won't really be involved in the emulator later on |
| 00:45:55 | gevaerts | piga: I'm asking because those are used by other rockbox targets, so they could be useful as well (but probably not required) |
| 00:46:14 | * | amiconn still doesn't understand how it is possible to emulate something that's not completely known |
| 00:46:33 | piga | saratoga: You are right, it is not on the page. But I worked with archc team and they have an ARM processor |
| 00:46:51 | saratoga | its stable enough to boot linux or something similar? |
| 00:47:08 | linuxstb_ | piga: Do you know which ARM(s) ? |
| 00:47:35 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: My thoughts as well... |
| 00:47:56 | * | gevaerts doesn't want to get into that discussion |
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| 00:48:37 | saratoga3 | linuxstb: i see an arm7tdmi emulator in archc on google that claims to be cycle accurate |
| 00:49:03 | piga | gevaerts: I think they don't have this. But it is not difficult to model a processor |
| 00:49:28 | saratoga3 | if gcc can compile for it, you can emulate it, just you might not get the instruction cycle times accurate |
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| 00:49:50 | saratoga3 | though maybe that wouldn'e be good enough to run an OF |
| 00:50:11 | gevaerts | OF needs lots of peripherals |
| 00:50:14 | linuxstb_ | The ARM core is just a tiny part of it... |
| 00:51:34 | piga | saratoga3: What do you mean by OF? |
| 00:51:56 | gevaerts | piga: original firmware. Whatever is on the player when you buy ir |
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| 00:56:13 | * | gevaerts just read the project info on the SummerOfCode2008 page, and thinks that it would probably useful to have |
| 00:57:22 | saratoga3 | its tempting to do GSOC again |
| 00:57:25 | saratoga3 | last year was a lot of fun |
| 00:58:21 | * | scorche|sh gets his whip out |
| 00:58:25 | scorche|sh | saratoga3: go for it :) |
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| 00:58:57 | saratoga3 | i still haven't worked all the bugs out from last year |
| 00:59:16 | saratoga3 | but its tempting to propose an H.264 decoder + DSP acceleration for the TI targets |
| 00:59:21 | scorche|sh | GSoC projet application: Fix GSoC project from last year |
| 00:59:23 | scorche|sh | ;) |
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| 01:02:18 | piga | I'm studying the project and I had this idea. |
| 01:02:48 | saratoga3 | piga: its an interesting idea |
| 01:03:06 | saratoga3 | how difficult would it be for c programmers to add to things in system c ? |
| 01:03:22 | saratoga3 | this project would need to be somewhat accessible to future hardware hackers |
| 01:04:57 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: I had to revert the fix for your charger problem (which I can't reproduce here btw). It caused other problems. I'll think some more about it when I'm more awake |
| 01:05:00 | piga | You don't need to know systemc just ArchC. |
| 01:05:10 | piga | ArchC is an upper layer |
| 01:05:23 | piga | the hierarchy is: |
| 01:05:41 | piga | ArchC translate to systemC |
| 01:05:49 | piga | systemC translate to C++ |
| 01:06:00 | piga | then if you know C++ you know archC |
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| 01:06:53 | piga | only if you pretend to work with time accurate you need to know systemc |
| 01:07:25 | piga | archc provides and easy way to model processor and platforms |
| 01:07:45 | gevaerts | What's the license for systemc ? |
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| 01:10:01 | saratoga | hmm theres a systemc live cd out there |
| 01:10:11 | saratoga | this looks much more interesting then verilog |
| 01:10:56 | * | Nico_P currently studies VHDL |
| 01:11:33 | piga | And it is. Because you can do a behavioral model, co-simulation... |
| 01:11:47 | piga | and RTL model too |
| 01:12:02 | piga | you choose the abstract level that you want |
| 01:12:02 | * | petur thinks Nico_P should apply for a job where he works - currently seeking VHDL people ;) |
| 01:12:16 | Nico_P | petur: I'm still a real noob :) |
| 01:12:36 | piga | VHDL I know |
| 01:12:41 | saratoga | i couldn't get into vhdl non-c languages just feel so wrong to me |
| 01:12:53 | piga | I did a the Theora Hardware implementation in VHDL |
| 01:13:27 | Nico_P | saratoga: really? try things like functional programming ;) |
| 01:14:25 | Nico_P | piga: did you produce a chip from it? (sorry if this sounds like a silly question, I'm still a bit unfamiliar with all this) |
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| 01:15:45 | piga | Nico_P: Not yet. The problem is that it has a lot of PADs and the it increases and it will be too much expensive |
| 01:15:56 | piga | I validated it on FPGA |
| 01:16:46 | Nico_P | PADs? |
| 01:18:04 | saratoga | the pins on the chip i assume? |
| 01:18:18 | piga | Yes, you are right |
| 01:18:32 | piga | the pins increased the area |
| 01:19:23 | piga | and consequently the price |
| 01:19:44 | saratoga | why so many pins for a video decoder? |
| 01:21:38 | piga | It was not so many. It has about a hundred |
| 01:22:32 | piga | But there was a processor that does some decisions |
| 01:23:14 | piga | The hardware does the iDCT and the last part of algorithm |
| 01:23:26 | piga | The bus is 32 bits |
| 01:23:48 | piga | And I didn't use in/out pins |
| 01:24:15 | piga | That why there is a lot of pins |
| 01:25:12 | piga | But backing to ARM emulator |
| 01:25:48 | piga | Do you think it is feasible? Sure I should learn more about rockbox |
| 01:26:14 | saratoga | piga: if you can boot linux you're a good bit of the way |
| 01:26:34 | saratoga | you'd then have to implement support for whatever hardware is being used by the rockbox drivers |
| 01:26:57 | gevaerts | piga: you could also look into different projects, like a theora plugin for rockbox ;) |
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| 01:27:13 | saratoga | generally this would be a display, buttons, DAC, and IDE interface |
| 01:27:14 | scorche|sh | gevaerts: ehhh...that would be slow i would imagine... |
| 01:27:50 | Nico_P | scorche|sh: the beasts probably have enough power :) |
| 01:28:01 | scorche|sh | Nico_P: probably |
| 01:28:05 | saratoga | once rockbox booted, the next task would be to try and get the OF to boot |
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| 01:28:30 | * | gevaerts basically only knows that theora exists, and works on his laptop |
| 01:29:00 | * | Nico_P doesn't know much more |
| 01:29:15 | Nico_P | I'm curious about dirac |
| 01:29:28 | * | gevaerts thinks he fixed all the bugs he introduced today, so he's probably allowed to go to sleep now |
| 01:29:34 | * | markun about Snow |
| 01:29:56 | saratoga | for rockbox h.264 is probably most interesting because it is an open specification and is natively fixed point |
| 01:30:26 | saratoga | though no doubt it suffers from the usual MPEG specification over design |
| 01:31:50 | * | gevaerts would really like to understand how all these codecs work, but he's forced to work on usb all the time :( |
| 01:32:07 | piga | saratoga: Theora doesn't use float point, neither fixed point it is integer based |
| 01:33:15 | * | scorche|sh signals the guards to poke gevaerts a few more times with the spear |
| 01:33:37 | ryran | poor gevaerts |
| 01:34:35 | piga | I run theora on a LEON (spark like processor) with 50MHz. But real time videos just with low resolutions, lesser than 160x120 |
| 01:35:17 | Nico_P | piga: how does that compare to the ones we have? |
| 01:36:33 | piga | Nico_P: I don't know. But I think and iPOD has a processor more powerful than the LEON |
| 01:37:00 | gevaerts | It's a 80MHz dual-core ARM |
| 01:37:01 | scorche|sh | dual core 80MHz |
| 01:37:02 | Nico_P | iPods are basically the least powerful of our targets |
| 01:37:13 | amiconn | Not true |
| 01:37:22 | scorche|sh | at a resolution of 320x240 |
| 01:37:33 | Nico_P | amiconn: is it for colour ones? |
| 01:37:35 | scorche|sh | Nico_P: i assume you mean SWcodec? |
| 01:37:42 | Nico_P | that too |
| 01:37:47 | amiconn | I mean swcodec, yes, but not colour |
| 01:37:58 | amiconn | The least powerful swcodec target is the iFP7xx |
| 01:38:14 | scorche|sh | i dont think that counts as it isnt on "the list" |
| 01:38:16 | amiconn | 60MHz arm, single core |
| 01:38:17 | Nico_P | ah yes. I had completely forgotten about that one... are there others? |
| 01:39:15 | amiconn | Other than that, it's hard to tell which targets are more or less powerful. It depends a lot on what the code does |
| 01:39:33 | Nico_P | true. hence my use of "basically" |
| 01:39:40 | piga | amiconn: I agree |
| 01:39:53 | amiconn | The PP targets have dual arm, which are slow at multiplying but have good caches and fast ram access |
| 01:40:24 | amiconn | Otoh, the coldfire targets have the fast emac unit, but no data cache and a slow ram interface |
| 01:40:35 | saratoga | that slow multiplier is maddening |
| 01:40:43 | saratoga | such a stupid design choice for an mp3 player |
| 01:41:03 | amiconn | The most obvious effect: Coldfire decodes mp3 with no boosting, but has a hard time with mpeg video |
| 01:41:25 | amiconn | The pp targets run mpeg video like a charm, but still struggle somewhat with mp3 |
| 01:41:39 | piga | amiconn: Theora requires many multiplications |
| 01:42:01 | saratoga | piga: should be similar to mpeg though |
| 01:42:06 | saratoga | they're both doing the same transform |
| 01:42:16 | piga | yes |
| 01:42:34 | saratoga | mp3 is nice mostly because you do a whole lot of multiplies on a smaller amount of data (which can be in internal RAM) |
| 01:42:35 | piga | But do you think is a good idea to try port theora to rockbox? |
| 01:42:40 | saratoga | though ARM has trouble |
| 01:42:45 | ItalianPianist | interesting... amiconn how much cpu power in percentage do you think 100 multiplications/second will drain in coldfire targets? |
| 01:42:56 | saratoga | amazingly little |
| 01:43:18 | saratoga | you've got 124 million clocks a second when boosted |
| 01:43:43 | ItalianPianist | ... how much clocks/sec spent for a mul? |
| 01:43:53 | amiconn | Depends |
| 01:44:08 | saratoga | emac is pipelined right? |
| 01:44:08 | amiconn | The EMAC unit has single-cycle throughput, but not single-cycle latency |
| 01:44:12 | amiconn | yes |
| 01:44:41 | amiconn | So as long as you're mac'ing, it's fast. Independent multiplications are significantly slower |
| 01:45:08 | amiconn | The bad thing is that gcc doesn't support the emac, so all emac code has to be written in asm |
| 01:45:09 | ItalianPianist | basically my idea is to furtherly optimize resizing algo by precalculating all pixels steps in table |
| 01:45:24 | saratoga | for mpeg? |
| 01:45:59 | amiconn | (but since gcc isn't very good at optimising in general, that's probably not a big loss) |
| 01:46:15 | ItalianPianist | no it's for a game... i've managed to remove every mul apart from 1 in my algo...so the coldfire makes 1x 176 lines mul/frame |
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| 01:47:09 | ItalianPianist | i'd like to know how much cpu power is spent in muls ... maybe the optimisation would be not so useful |
| 01:48:51 | saratoga | with straight gcc code, both arm and coldfire can probably sustain several tens of millions of multiplies a second |
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| 01:49:16 | saratoga | well not arm |
| 01:49:26 | saratoga | thats probably closer to 15 million or so |
| 01:49:46 | saratoga | but i can't remember off hand what the throughput is |
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| 01:50:22 | amiconn | arm multiplys have varying cycle count afaik (if early termination is implemented) |
| 01:52:25 | piga | saratoga: I will study the archC ARM implementation and the rockbox. Next week I'll give you some feedback. Could be? |
| 01:52:32 | ItalianPianist | mmm too interesting... maybe i can save some cpu power to be able to do good sound mixing... mmmm tomorrow i'll try... |
| 01:56:00 | amiconn | grrrmbl :\ |
| 01:56:55 | amiconn | It looks like we need to convert the plugins to use the action api (not the pluginlib actions) |
| 01:57:51 | amiconn | The button #defines are starting to become kinda messy if we want to properly support main & remote buttons (a necessity on the M3) |
| 01:58:24 | * | amiconn will do a quick hack first to get the plugins to compile |
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| 03:16:07 | UNHchabo | hey guys, just starting using Rockbox about a day ago |
| 03:16:31 | UNHchabo | curious about one thing: |
| 03:17:08 | UNHchabo | is there a way i can play all albums sequentially in track order? so far the only way I've found to play all songs is to play them alphabetically by track title |
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| 03:23:58 | Davide-NYC | Hello all. I just picked up a refurbished Sansa C140 for cheap. Is this thing based on the same chip as the Sansa Express? |
| 03:24:39 | Davide-NYC | Also, will anyone care if I rip it apart and post high-res scans of the PCB? |
| 03:24:55 | linuxstb_ | Davide-NYC: I don't think so - the C140 is TeleChips (TCC770) |
| 03:25:04 | Davide-NYC | Man this thing is all cheap and plasticy. Yuck. |
| 03:25:15 | Davide-NYC | linuxstb: and the express is what? |
| 03:25:24 | linuxstb_ | No idea, but something else I think |
| 03:25:29 | Davide-NYC | hmm |
| 03:25:42 | Davide-NYC | because I really like the "all in one" aspect of the express. |
| 03:26:01 | Davide-NYC | this C140 thing is pretty nasty. |
| 03:27:27 | linuxstb_ | Looking at a Sansa Express firmware, it has the STMP string in, so I guess it's some kind of Sigmatel chip |
| 03:27:49 | Davide-NYC | hrmm. I thought I was being all helpful. :-/ |
| 03:28:20 | UNHchabo | so anyone know about my question above? |
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| 03:29:44 | linuxstb_ | UNHchabo: If someone can answer, I'm sure they will... Although I don't think many people here use the database features. |
| 03:29:58 | linuxstb_ | (and it's a quiet time of day - Europe is sleeping) |
| 03:30:15 | UNHchabo | ok |
| 03:30:17 | * | linuxstb_ goes to do just that |
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| 03:30:23 | UNHchabo | so then i should just make custom playlists? ;) |
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| 04:13:28 | corevette | scorche: it was just a question... |
| 04:13:45 | scorche | a question that happened to be off-topic and against the guidelines... |
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| 08:09:39 | Bagder | 10 mentors signed up |
| 08:12:08 | Mouser_X | How many signed up last year? |
| 08:12:12 | Mouser_X | (I don't know.) |
| 08:13:27 | Bagder | I can't remember exactly but it was 10-12 something |
| 08:13:39 | Bagder | and we got 20 student applications |
| 08:13:49 | Mouser_X | So 10 isn't too bad then. 20 last year, or this year? |
| 08:14:06 | Bagder | 20 last year, this year's application period hasn't started yet |
| 08:14:36 | Mouser_X | Ah. Again, I didn't know. I like the GSoC thing. It gets some pretty nifty stuff going for Rockbox. |
| 08:14:47 | Mouser_X | (When done right.) |
| 08:14:52 | Bagder | indeed |
| 08:15:56 | Mouser_X | It'd be nice to see playback.c fixed. For GSoC, I'm somewhat doubtful that will happen. It sounds like it's a pretty big project to do that one (though, one that would be really nice). |
| 08:16:27 | Mouser_X | Next to that I'd like to see the ScummVM port (or whatever it is. Lots of stuff to do with that..) |
| 08:22:14 | Bagder | and now breakfast (national holiday here) |
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| 08:37:49 | Llorean | Mouser_X: That's one of the most unlikely ones, I think. |
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| 08:39:03 | JdGordon | I would guess the most likely time swcodec will get major fixes is the devcons |
| 08:39:37 | Llorean | Did anyone else get the GSOC email from Nirav Shah, or was it a single target email? |
| 08:39:50 | Llorean | JdGordon: Well, Nico_P is often working on it too. |
| 08:40:01 | JdGordon | not I |
| 08:40:39 | JdGordon | well yeah, but whats needed is a full ledged group effort to fix/rebuild it |
| 08:40:56 | Llorean | I'm not sure if he just picked me randomly from the list of people willing to mentor on the SoC 2008 page, or what. |
| 08:41:32 | JdGordon | what was the email about? |
| 08:41:40 | Llorean | A SoC project proposal. |
| 08:41:55 | Llorean | Frankly, one that I can't see has anything, at all, to do with Rockbox. |
| 08:42:23 | JdGordon | of course :D |
| 08:42:43 | Llorean | It seems to be a remote storage solution for PocketPC devices. |
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| 08:45:23 | Llorean | I'll wait a bit to see if anyone else got it. Since I'm not accepted as a mentor yet, I probably shouldn't be the one to say "It doesn't sound like your project is right for us, but if you think it is, you might want to explain how it actually relates to Rockbox and make a description available publicly" |
| 08:50:27 | Mouser_X | In regards to plaback fixes, what I'd really like is better back-seeking. Specifically, ADXs still bug out when attempting to loop (not nearly as often, or as badly as they used to when MoB was first commited, but it still happens somewhat often). |
| 08:51:00 | Mouser_X | I'm sure this is a priority to very few people. |
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| 09:03:03 | Bagder | Llorean: I didn't get any such mail |
| 09:05:42 | Llorean | Bagder: Alright, I'll respond to it then. I think he's just a little confused about what Rockbox is (possibly due to the mention of PocketPC on the SoC page) |
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| 09:10:10 | Llorean | I'll also suggest that if I've misunderstood his proposal, and that it is related, he should go through the normal application process and/or post to -dev so that the other mentors can read his proposal. |
| 09:14:00 | stripwax | If I have a dynamic playlist and save a bookmark, does that bookmark include the dynamic playlist too (so when I load the bookmark later, I get the whole playlist, and resume from the point I left off)? |
| 09:14:34 | stripwax | Never really used bookmarks, but I'm browsing the manual and trying to interpret the behaviour |
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| 09:56:50 | clau30_ | hi. is it possible to install rockbox on a mobile phone, i.e. as an application? |
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| 10:11:08 | linuxstb_ | clau30_: Someone has ported the UI simulator to the Motorola ROKR phones |
| 10:11:31 | clau30_ | linuxstb_: link or smtg? |
| 10:13:10 | linuxstb_ | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14165.0 - but all the work is taking place on the Motorola forums, the author doesn't seem to want to incorporate his changes back |
| 10:13:55 | linuxstb_ | See also here (and the link in the first post) http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12403.0 |
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| 10:17:44 | clau30_ | thanks |
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| 10:17:55 | clau30_ | not too much hope :) |
| 10:18:01 | clau30_ | at least not that easy |
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| 10:28:25 | linuxstb_ | clau30_: What do you mean by "not too much hope"? Do you want to port it to another kind of phone? |
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| 10:30:01 | clau30_ | linuxstb_: yea, on a sony ericsson walkman. I don't think I will though, I wouldn't have any idea where to start |
| 10:30:57 | linuxstb_ | Does it allow you to install 3rd party applications? Is there a freely available SDK? |
| 10:32:04 | clau30_ | good question :) let me check |
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| 10:33:13 | linuxstb_ | So your device is a phone with walkman features? |
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| 10:34:15 | clau30_ | kind of, it's the walkman series from sony ericsson... |
| 10:35:23 | dionoea | is that the new ultra slim one? |
| 10:35:30 | clau30_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Ericsson_W200 |
| 10:35:37 | clau30_ | no, it's an older one |
| 10:35:43 | clau30_ | w200i is mine |
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| 10:38:49 | clau30_ | heh, there is a developer.sonyericsson.com |
| 10:40:42 | clau30_ | so, it's based on java me |
| 10:43:00 | linuxstb_ | I think the newer Sony Ericsson phones run Symbian - which is much more likely to get a Rockbox port (due to the number of devices using it) |
| 10:46:26 | clau30_ | don't the older ones (like mine) use it too? |
| 10:46:52 | linuxstb_ | I don't think so, no. At least that wikipedia article doesn't mention it. |
| 10:47:06 | linuxstb_ | (and I would have expected it to) |
| 10:47:46 | linuxstb_ | Apparently the W950 was the first - http://developer.sonyericsson.com/site/global/newsandevents/latestnews/newsfeb06/p_w950_first_symbianos_walkman_phone.jsp |
| 10:48:19 | clau30_ | oh |
| 10:49:57 | * | linuxstb_ hopes a student wants to do a Symbian port for Google Summer of Code |
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| 10:52:30 | clau30_ | I'm a student :P |
| 10:53:16 | clau30_ | oh well, I have to be happy with my current player :) |
| 10:55:38 | markun | linuxstb_: did you read that we found the complete schematics of the Meizu M6SP? |
| 10:56:00 | linuxstb_ | markun: Yes, I was there when you said it (and commented..) ;) |
| 10:56:00 | markun | well, 'we' begin kgb2008 :) |
| 10:56:45 | markun | I didn't even remember. |
| 10:57:39 | markun | kgb2008 told me that the s3c6400 would (probably?) contain some useful info about the various blocks in our SoC. After searching a lot I found the datasheet, but so far I don't know how useful it is. |
| 10:57:42 | linuxstb_ | markun: BTW, is there a reason you haven't added text-to-speech as an SoC2008 project? |
| 10:58:36 | markun | well, with the espeak patch in the tracker and the license problem I think we're a bit stuck |
| 10:58:49 | markun | do you think a student should port another engine? |
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| 10:59:27 | linuxstb_ | I think we have to - or fork an older version of espeak... |
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| 11:00:17 | markun | quite sad that we probably have similar ideas about open source yet can't use our projects together |
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| 11:00:51 | linuxstb_ | But didn't your student want to port something else anyway? |
| 11:01:15 | markun | he did, but I prefer espeak over flite. |
| 11:01:34 | linuxstb_ | Yes, I know. |
| 11:01:49 | linuxstb_ | But would flite be a bad choice, given espeak's problems? |
| 11:01:57 | markun | I have a hard time getting used to the buttons and touchpad of the Meizu.. |
| 11:02:08 | Llorean | Flite's surely better than nothing. |
| 11:02:09 | markun | for english only I guess it's ok |
| 11:02:25 | linuxstb_ | I guess we have the choice of flite or "old espeak" |
| 11:03:20 | Llorean | Did we ever finish speaking with the espeak author? |
| 11:03:21 | markun | I think even an older espeak is better than flite, which also isn't worked on anymore |
| 11:03:49 | Llorean | Last I heard, he didn't understand that we'd have to compile his software into our program to use it, so didn't see the license conflict. |
| 11:03:59 | Llorean | I'd honestly prefer "old espeak" from a listener's perspective. I find voices generated with it easier to understand, especially with noise. |
| 11:05:54 | markun | yes, I can imagine that rockbox plugins just look like applications. Other projects can also use plugins with different licenses. |
| 11:06:32 | linuxstb_ | "can" or "do" ? |
| 11:06:44 | markun | yes, do |
| 11:07:12 | markun | I talked to some guys during the gsoc summit who worked on one of those xmms spinoffs |
| 11:07:30 | markun | and they didn't really understand our problem |
| 11:08:50 | markun | I'm trying to find some info on it |
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| 11:09:33 | Llorean | Well, espeak would hardly be a plugin anyway. |
| 11:09:43 | markun | it could be a codec |
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| 11:10:05 | linuxstb_ | This is what GNU say - http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLAndPlugins |
| 11:11:09 | markun | yes, and xmms thought they could work around that (which I think is false) by: "The XMMS plugin API is published under a BSD license |
| 11:11:12 | markun | that permits proprietary binary-only plugins or plugins that are GPL/LGPL/Open |
| 11:11:13 | markun | oops |
| 11:11:16 | markun | Source compliant." |
| 11:11:17 | nls_web | the usefullness of it would be severely limited if we had to have it as a plugin only... |
| 11:11:22 | markun | here anyway: http://www.opensound.com/press/2001/real.txt |
| 11:13:01 | markun | nls_web: but if we had it as a voice codec like we use speex? |
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| 11:22:04 | * | amiconn would rather not use some code than trying to find dirty tricks to get around gpl requirements |
| 11:22:22 | * | amiconn actually did this once already |
| 11:22:42 | markun | amiconn: I also don't think such a hack is even legal |
| 11:24:42 | amiconn | I wanted to port XSkat, but its license is gpl incompatible. I contacted the author, but he refused to put XSkat under a gpl compatible license one way or another. So I won't port it, even though it would be nice to have a Skat game plugin... |
| 11:25:18 | nls_web | markun: maybe but speex is compiled in so we would have to invent some other way to do it... |
| 11:25:46 | * | nls_web googles XSkat |
| 11:29:40 | markun | why do there have to be multiple versions of the GPL :( |
| 11:30:24 | amiconn | espeak is gplv3? |
| 11:30:27 | markun | yes |
| 11:30:34 | markun | which you also prefer, right? |
| 11:30:44 | amiconn | yes |
| 11:31:03 | markun | I've never read the v3 license in detail |
| 11:32:09 | * | linuxstb_ abandoned a mame port for the same reason... |
| 11:32:22 | amiconn | I prefer the gpl v3 because of 2 details: it has rules which try to prevent tivoisation, and it explicitly forbids drm code |
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| 11:33:28 | markun | what's the advantage of forbidding drm code? |
| 11:33:31 | linuxstb_ | I don't have strong objections to DRM (although I never "buy" such tracks), but I prefer v3 because of the no-tivoisation clauses. |
| 11:33:48 | nls_web | Was it ever concluded if we could convert rockbox to gplv3? |
| 11:34:54 | linuxstb_ | I still think we could (for code that isn't explitly v2 only - e.g. code we've imported from Linux), but others disagree with my interpretation of the standard Rockbox license. |
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| 11:35:04 | linuxstb_ | And there are others that don't want to move to v3... |
| 11:35:12 | linuxstb_ | (regardless of whether it's possible or not) |
| 11:36:17 | gevaerts | For the record : I don't mind any of the code I submitted to be GPLv3. |
| 11:37:39 | * | gevaerts rereads that three times and gets confused. Let's just say "My code can be GPLv3 if the project wants that" |
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| 12:57:08 | ItalianPianist | info: does the default compilation settings automatically compute every macro expression (eg LCD_WIDTH/3*etc) ? (i suppose yes...asked just to be sure) |
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| 13:00:21 | markun | yes, macros are evaluated before compilation starts |
| 13:02:37 | * | ItalianPianist is waiting his pc to compile new optimized resize routine... |
| 13:03:17 | Nico_P | ItalianPianist: image resize? |
| 13:03:32 | markun | ItalianPianist: what are you working on? |
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| 13:04:14 | ItalianPianist | just a "stupid" image resize routine to resize a frame from 320x200 to 220x176 |
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| 13:15:50 | markun | a frame of what? |
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| 13:33:14 | * | ItalianPianist is really happy to see now soundmix can be done realtime on his H320 |
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| 13:37:40 | DefineByte | Will someone commit fs#8775 please? |
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| 13:41:22 | yavi | hello |
| 13:41:30 | petur | hi |
| 13:41:57 | yavi | is there any possiblility to modify the output when the ipod is connected via dock to an amplifier? |
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| 13:42:40 | yavi | I find there is much less power in this output compared to a CD |
| 13:42:40 | fiXXXerMet | Going to install rockbox on my sansa e260r today :) |
| 13:43:08 | fiXXXerMet | Will it, by any chance, delete all of the music that I have already on my device? |
| 13:43:21 | krazykit | fiXXXerMet, it does not delete anything. |
| 13:43:24 | yavi | or is it a hardware lack.. |
| 13:43:29 | petur | fiXXXerMet: backing up does not hurt |
| 13:44:02 | fiXXXerMet | perfect. |
| 13:44:06 | DefineByte | The dock connector should be outputting at line level. |
| 13:44:19 | yavi | hum |
| 13:44:24 | yavi | but it does not XD |
| 13:44:45 | Beta2K | It might be |
| 13:44:46 | yavi | because comparing it with a CD there is something like a 40% less |
| 13:44:50 | DefineByte | do you know your CD player does? |
| 13:45:12 | Beta2K | Your iPod might be outputting at the -10dB spec and you CD player may be running at +4dB |
| 13:45:26 | yavi | mm no I don't know the output of the cd but I see it much better |
| 13:45:43 | gevaerts | Are you comparing the same track on both ? |
| 13:45:55 | yavi | yes and no |
| 13:46:27 | yavi | in the ipod I am playing the same song in *.flac and in the CD the same one but in an original cd |
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| 13:46:41 | Beta2K | Did you gain alter your mp3s? |
| 13:46:49 | Beta2K | Are you using the iPod EQ? |
| 13:46:51 | yavi | nop |
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| 13:47:10 | yavi | I did not modify any parameter in the ipod |
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| 13:47:39 | DefineByte | What's the output like in the original firmware? |
| 13:47:58 | yavi | I am affraid i do not know it.. |
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| 13:48:17 | yavi | but do you know if it is normal to have this "problem" |
| 13:49:10 | yavi | it is not that I cannot get enough with it, but at 80w of the amplifier it can be played with the ipod but with a cd it is almost impossible XD |
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| 13:50:02 | markun | yavi: lineout is set to 0dB, I think you could set it to +6 if you compile your own rockbox build |
| 13:50:04 | yavi | imagine I am loosing about 20w with the IPOD or something like that |
| 13:50:37 | yavi | there is no way to configure it from rockbox? |
| 13:50:43 | markun | no way |
| 13:50:46 | yavi | because I have no idea about programming :( |
| 13:51:03 | markun | well, it's not so difficult as you might think :) |
| 13:51:03 | DefineByte | Would it be a good idea to be able to set the line level you want your DAP to output? |
| 13:51:23 | DefineByte | i.e. -10 or +4 |
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| 13:51:42 | yavi | wait a second I am going to try .. |
| 13:51:51 | gevaerts | Are the gain settings on the flacs correct ? (Don't ask me how to check this) |
| 13:52:13 | markun | yavi: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 13:52:48 | markun | yavi: you are not using replaygain, are you? |
| 13:52:57 | yavi | no |
| 13:53:20 | yavi | em,,,, any change I made on volume or equalizer from rockbox does not work with the dock |
| 13:53:45 | yavi | it sends a standard output I think |
| 13:53:51 | markun | that can't be |
| 13:54:19 | yavi | I modify the volume and nothing happends |
| 13:54:33 | markun | but the equalizer should change the sound |
| 13:54:48 | yavi | I am going to check again |
| 13:56:34 | yavi | it works it works |
| 13:56:40 | Beta2K | The EQ modifies the gain of the digital audio so it should change your line out level |
| 13:56:55 | Beta2K | Really sounds like you just happen to have a +4dB outputting CD player |
| 13:57:18 | Beta2K | You not "loosing" anything, the signal is just a bit hotter from teh CD player |
| 13:57:30 | yavi | aham |
| 13:57:31 | Beta2K | Which isn't that uncommon |
| 13:58:45 | Beta2K | Home audio gear tends to output rather hot |
| 13:58:46 | fiXXXerMet | I've been hoding the record button for a minute now and nothing has happened. Step 2.3 @ http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RBootloaderPatching |
| 13:59:48 | gevaerts | Did you do step 4 ? |
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| 14:00:00 | advcomp2019 | fiXXXerMet, what firmware is on your sansa right now |
| 14:00:04 | fiXXXerMet | OHH, I get it |
| 14:00:06 | * | gevaerts means 2.4 |
| 14:00:16 | fiXXXerMet | advcomp2019: I forget, but it is a version 1 model |
| 14:00:21 | advcomp2019 | o ok |
| 14:00:52 | fiXXXerMet | ah there we go! |
| 14:02:37 | gevaerts | fiXXXerMet: any recommendations to improve the text ? |
| 14:03:07 | fiXXXerMet | Step 2.3 makes you think that you should hold the Record button until it tells you to let go, AND THEN do step 2.4 |
| 14:04:34 | linuxstb | We could change it to "continue to hold it during the next two parts of this step" |
| 14:05:27 | DefineByte | It certainly sounds like you're supposed to hild it untill something appears on the screen. :) |
| 14:05:33 | DefineByte | hold/ |
| 14:05:34 | linuxstb | But aren't those steps now obsolete (with e200rpatcher) ? |
| 14:05:46 | advcomp2019 | fiXXXerMet, those are the old steps |
| 14:05:55 | fiXXXerMet | crap |
| 14:06:01 | fiXXXerMet | too late, alrady patched the bootloader |
| 14:06:38 | fiXXXerMet | Still booted up so I guess it's not so bad |
| 14:06:40 | linuxstb | fiXXXerMet: It's not a problem, you just did it the hard way... |
| 14:06:52 | linuxstb | fiXXXerMet: How did you find those instructions though? |
| 14:07:22 | fiXXXerMet | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallationFromLinux |
| 14:07:28 | fiXXXerMet | er |
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| 14:07:31 | fiXXXerMet | I don't remember :) |
| 14:07:46 | fiXXXerMet | oh. I searched for e200r and it came up. |
| 14:07:51 | fiXXXerMet | Through the wiki. |
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| 14:08:45 | fiXXXerMet | hard way? That was super easy :) |
| 14:09:05 | DefineByte | '(old)' and a link to the new instructions should be added perhaps? :) |
| 14:09:35 | advcomp2019 | fiXXXerMet, here is the safer and newer ones.. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallation |
| 14:09:54 | linuxstb | DefineByte: Already done |
| 14:10:03 | gevaerts | fiXXXerMet: It's only easy if you read the instructions and follow them ;) Lots of people don't seem to like doing that |
| 14:10:30 | fiXXXerMet | So http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallationFromLinux should be up to date? The downloads are the most recent? |
| 14:11:31 | linuxstb | Yes |
| 14:11:42 | fiXXXerMet | hurraahhh |
| 14:13:13 | fiXXXerMet | Step 2 from the above link unzips rockbox.zip to ./.rockbox. Should it be ./rockbox? |
| 14:13:22 | Beta2K | nope |
| 14:13:28 | fiXXXerMet | ok |
| 14:13:40 | gevaerts | I think the SansaE200RInstallationFromLinux page shouldn't include the rm -rf ~/sansa/ line. If people follow that blindly, and already had a sansa directory, this could be dangerous |
| 14:13:40 | Beta2K | the directory is .rockbox |
| 14:14:41 | linuxstb | gevaerts: IMO, those instructions are far too "do this blindly" in nature... But no-one seems to complain. |
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| 14:16:48 | gevaerts | linuxstb: I agree, but then I think that someone who doesn't know how to mount a filesystem or copy files shouldn't use linux |
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| 14:17:40 | * | gevaerts makes an exception for people just starting out, but they should be busy learning about their system, not installing rockbox |
| 14:18:13 | DefineByte | How do you learn if not by doing? |
| 14:18:48 | gevaerts | DefineByte: I added the excpetion especially for those cases |
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| 14:19:08 | * | gevaerts doesn't really remember how he learned this |
| 14:19:16 | linuxstb | DefineByte: The instructions could do both - i.e. explain what to do, and then give an example of how to do it... |
| 14:19:57 | DefineByte | May be a good idea, as long as it doesn't get too technical. |
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| 14:20:32 | fiXXXerMet | Step 10 @ http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallationFromLinux says "cp .rockbox/ mnt/" but shouldn't the cp have the -r argument since .rockbox is a directory? |
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| 14:21:57 | dionoea | fiXXXerMet: indeed. |
| 14:24:26 | linuxstb | Better would be to unzip directly to the device - "unzip rockbox.zip -d /mnt/" |
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| 14:25:15 | dionoea | + -o |
| 14:25:50 | linuxstb | For a first-time install? |
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| 14:26:10 | dionoea | Ah, maybe not then :) |
| 14:26:20 | dionoea | But in case they ever use the same procedure to update. |
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| 14:28:16 | fiXXXerMet | Well that was much easier to install than I had thought it would be. |
| 14:28:28 | fiXXXerMet | The skins are horrible though :-p |
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| 14:29:25 | Beta2K | Download some better ones from teh WPS page |
| 14:29:36 | fiXXXerMet | working on it ;) |
| 14:29:59 | fiXXXerMet | WPS? http://www.rockbox-themes.org/ ? |
| 14:30:14 | dionoea | yes |
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| 14:30:27 | dionoea | WPS is the while playing screen |
| 14:30:44 | fiXXXerMet | Wow, there are a lot of themes |
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| 14:39:45 | amiconn | mrrf |
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| 15:05:50 | markun | gevaerts: still here? |
| 15:06:07 | markun | We now have the S5L8700X datasheet! |
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| 15:06:29 | markun | It has "Samsung Confidential" written in big letters on every page... |
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| 15:13:32 | gevaerts | markun: great ! |
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| 15:25:18 | codesquid | gevaerts, are you aware of any problems with charging on sansa e200 with USE_ROCKBOX_USB set? |
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| 15:27:08 | gevaerts | codesquid: no |
| 15:27:35 | codesquid | can't fully charge my e280 anymore, it stops at around 3.8 volts |
| 15:28:08 | gevaerts | Does it work with the official build ? |
| 15:28:09 | codesquid | it was possible a while ago to charge it fully by plugging in the cable while the unit was shut-off |
| 15:28:37 | gevaerts | What revision are you using ? |
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| 15:29:18 | codesquid | 16717 |
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| 15:30:04 | codesquid | r16611 changed the bahavior if booting while plugged in |
| 15:30:26 | codesquid | and broke the ability to fully charge up for me :( |
| 15:31:35 | gevaerts | That probably also broke it for the official build then. Can you verify that ? |
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| 15:32:13 | codesquid | also, r16717 freezes if I boot with the cable plugged in since I used sansapatcher with the -bl argument to get rid of the original bootloader |
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| 15:32:58 | codesquid | using the patch from FS #8642 |
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| 15:34:53 | gevaerts | Maybe the OB does some hardware initialisation that isn't done anymore now ? |
| 15:35:22 | codesquid | no clue |
| 15:35:38 | codesquid | let me try charging with latest official rockbox build |
| 15:35:46 | codesquid | brb, need to reboot |
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| 15:41:05 | gevaerts | codesquid: can you try unboosting manually when connected ? |
| 15:41:35 | codesquid | how to do so? |
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| 15:42:34 | gevaerts | System->Debug->CPU frequency, and then Down |
| 15:42:43 | gevaerts | Then left to get out of the menu |
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| 15:42:54 | codesquid | ah, connecting cable while holding center button first, right? |
| 15:43:05 | gevaerts | Yes |
| 15:44:04 | codesquid | kies, unboosted |
| 15:44:13 | codesquid | damn autocomplete |
| 15:44:17 | gevaerts | OK. Now see if it charges |
| 15:44:54 | codesquid | oh interesting, center button in that screen further reduces it from 30MHz to 24Mhz |
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| 15:45:26 | gevaerts | I think it's Left to get out of that screen |
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| 16:02:24 | markun | have a nice weekend! |
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| 16:07:04 | * | gevaerts will have an entire weekend to study specs |
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| 16:19:58 | Nico_P | ah, the M6? |
| 16:21:26 | gevaerts | Indeed |
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| 16:47:05 | gevaerts | codesquid: any results ? |
| 16:47:55 | codesquid | manually unboosting does not fix charging |
| 16:48:20 | codesquid | battery still at abouts 3.8 volts |
| 16:50:04 | * | gevaerts is going to be annoying... |
| 16:50:29 | gevaerts | codesquid: Any chance of trying with the original bootloader ? |
| 16:50:40 | codesquid | will try |
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| 17:01:40 | codesquid | whoops, need e200tool |
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| 17:06:04 | codesquid | hmm interesting |
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| 17:13:43 | gevaerts | codesquid: interesting in the "this will need lots of work" sense ? |
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| 17:20:38 | * | petur pings Bagder, scorche,... |
| 17:22:02 | codesquid | gevaerts, yes |
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| 17:23:40 | petur | scorche|sh |
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| 17:24:00 | gevaerts | codesquid: problems with bootloaders ? Those are always fun... |
| 17:24:06 | codesquid | yep :( |
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| 17:24:13 | petur | amiconn? |
| 17:24:26 | codesquid | gevaerts, with e200tool recover I can restore original bootloader |
| 17:24:36 | codesquid | sandisk logo appears and then nothing :( |
| 17:24:56 | codesquid | screen stays back, blue ring stays on |
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| 17:26:17 | codesquid | gevaerts, more progress! |
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| 17:26:31 | codesquid | while e200tool is restorig bootloader I hold down rec |
| 17:26:39 | codesquid | after that it manages to boot into recovery mode |
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| 17:26:47 | codesquid | now I can actually install OF again :P |
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| 17:29:00 | DerPapst | worth a try. if you can unban afterwards. |
| 17:29:09 | petur | amiconn will fix it |
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| 18:09:03 | codesquid | hmm |
| 18:09:08 | codesquid | I give up |
| 18:09:17 | codesquid | I am unable to restore original bootloader |
| 18:09:33 | codesquid | only the rockbox one works (with sansapatcher -bl) |
| 18:10:28 | gevaerts | What goes wrong ? |
| 18:11:24 | codesquid | it just doesn't boot anymore |
| 18:12:21 | codesquid | did e200tool recover, made it to boot into recovery mode while holding rec while e200tool worked, then I copied the OF .mi4 file and created sansa.fmt, unplugged cable |
| 18:12:55 | codesquid | doesn't come up then |
| 18:13:14 | codesquid | back into manufacturing mode, e200tool, let it work and when it finished OF came up |
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| 18:13:24 | codesquid | note a normal reboot still didn't work |
| 18:13:30 | gevaerts | What _might_ help is booting rockbox with a usb-enabled build, then zeroing the firmware partition. At least on c200 the OF doesn't really handle unexpected data well |
| 18:14:05 | codesquid | with dd I suppose? |
| 18:14:47 | gevaerts | Yes. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdwhatever2. Also make sure that the data partition isn't corrupted |
| 18:15:05 | codesquid | data partition is freshly formatted I think |
| 18:15:18 | gevaerts | That should be fine then. |
| 18:17:25 | gevaerts | LosNir had basically the same problem on c250 in http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080310 |
| 18:17:48 | codesquid | hmm the partition table seems odd |
| 18:18:30 | gevaerts | What does it look like ? |
| 18:19:10 | codesquid | http://rafb.net/p/dW3C8G78.html |
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| 18:21:11 | gevaerts | Might look odd, but it is correct (it matches another e280 partition table that I got from someone a while ago) |
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| 18:21:38 | codesquid | ok |
| 18:21:42 | gevaerts | s/might/does/ |
| 18:21:57 | codesquid | I'll try zeroing-out the firmware partition |
| 18:23:48 | gevaerts | The key to be able to reinstall the OF bootloader on c200 seems to be (a) a correct partition table and FAT, and (b) no half-correct remains of the OF (i.e. you need either zeroes or a working OF) |
| 18:24:52 | gevaerts | I wasn't sure if e200 was the same (I only have data from three c250 users, including me), so in a sense it's useful to know that you have the issue as well |
| 18:30:10 | codesquid | hmm |
| 18:30:17 | codesquid | I think I always land in the prebootloader USB mode |
| 18:30:41 | codesquid | I can install the rockbox bootloader through some hoops, just not the OF one |
| 18:31:04 | codesquid | gevaerts, do you by change have the OF bootloader for e280 that works with sansapatcher -bl ? |
| 18:31:40 | codesquid | (european edition) |
| 18:32:18 | gevaerts | No. I'm not really a sansa specialist. The only things I know were learned by randomly writing stuff to the internal flash through early usb bugs, and then spending two days recovering |
| 18:32:45 | codesquid | haha |
| 18:33:12 | codesquid | if you try long enough writing from /dev/random it will eventually work ;) |
| 18:34:03 | gevaerts | It was my first test of the usb sd card support. Only the code wrote to the wrong device, so it read from sd and wrote to internal. After copying about 1.5GB of mp3s it didn't boot any more :) |
| 18:35:12 | gevaerts | Recovery mode worked, and installed a new OF and bootloader, but those didn't like the FAT enough to actually do anything (including USB) |
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| 18:36:38 | gevaerts | codesquid: maybe your best bet would be to find another e280 owner and just "borrow" his firmware partition (i.e. dd it to yours). AFAIK that contains the bootloader. Of course, you can stay with pure rockbox... |
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| 18:44:07 | barrywardell | codesquid: if you can still get into recovery mode, try copying over both a mi4 and bootloader file |
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| 18:59:44 | codesquid | barrywardell, you're my hero |
| 18:59:56 | codesquid | copying the .rom file to the recovery partition did the trick |
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| 19:01:15 | codesquid | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick doesn't tell you to copy the .rom file, only speaks of a .bin file |
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| 19:09:14 | Davide-NYC | Any devs interested in the guts of a Sansa C140? |
| 19:11:26 | linuxstb_ | Aren't there already photos on the wiki? |
| 19:11:58 | Davide-NYC | Yes, that's the unit in question. Is the unit itself of no value? |
| 19:12:27 | linuxstb_ | What do you mean? |
| 19:13:31 | Davide-NYC | I'm willing to send the actual unit to any dev that wants to tinker with it. I presume that if someone wants to work on a port that having the actual hardware is helpful. |
| 19:14:08 | linuxstb_ | I could be interested - it looks extremely similar to the Logik Dax I'm (slowly) working on. |
| 19:14:28 | Davide-NYC | send me your email addy |
| 19:15:36 | * | amiconn is curious whether linuxstb's port completion ratio will ever improve ;) |
| 19:16:01 | linuxstb_ | I know it's looking bad... |
| 19:16:21 | linuxstb_ | I keep picking targets no-one else has any interest in though... |
| 19:16:56 | linuxstb_ | Although I now have a lot of shotofadd's work to adapt. |
| 19:17:16 | * | amiconn also started some single-dev ports ... |
| 19:17:19 | Davide-NYC | FWIW: this thing is pretty chintsy. |
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| 19:18:42 | crashmatrix | evening all |
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| 19:19:00 | fiXXXerMet | hai |
| 19:19:01 | codesquid | gevaerts, now that it's working again, I did a fresh install using rbutilqt |
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| 19:19:26 | * | gevaerts waits with bated breath for codesquid's results |
| 19:19:29 | Davide-NYC | The Sansa Express looks like a much better candidate for a super small player port. |
| 19:19:46 | crashmatrix | My iPod is acting funky, when I plug it in to charge / sync with my local music repos it won't settle as USB device, instead it re-appears as a new device every half a second or so |
| 19:20:08 | | Part fiXXXerMet |
| 19:20:34 | linuxstb_ | Davide-NYC: That's a brand new CPU though, so a lot more work. |
| 19:20:48 | gevaerts | crashmatrix: is that in the apple firmware or diskmode, or are you using an unofficial build with rockbox usb enabled ? |
| 19:21:38 | codesquid | hmm would it be possible to get edit permissions on the wiki? Then I could update the sansa unbrick page a bit |
| 19:21:53 | crashmatrix | This would be diskmode, with a rockbox from svn about a month ago |
| 19:21:56 | gevaerts | codesquid: what's your wiki name ? |
| 19:22:03 | codesquid | TimKosse |
| 19:22:10 | gevaerts | crashmatrix: it sounds like it could be caused by a bad cable |
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| 19:22:39 | gevaerts | codesquid: ok. I'll add you to the list |
| 19:22:40 | crashmatrix | gevaerts: I was thinking about that, I've been throwing that thing all over the place |
| 19:22:45 | crashmatrix | could easily have broken |
| 19:22:46 | codesquid | gevaerts, thx |
| 19:24:37 | crashmatrix | gevaerts: it's the cable alright |
| 19:24:48 | gevaerts | crashmatrix: should be done now. I think I'm supposed to make you promise not to spam ;) |
| 19:25:08 | gevaerts | codesquid: that was for you... |
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| 19:25:15 | crashmatrix | ha :p |
| 19:25:27 | crashmatrix | I was like 'what the...' for a moment |
| 19:25:57 | codesquid | gevaerts, not even a tiny bit of spam? We all love Viiiiagaaaaarrrraaaaa!! :P |
| 19:26:06 | crashmatrix | and I've found a position that makes it stable for a bit longer, I can at least update, thanks gevaerts |
| 19:26:17 | gevaerts | crashmatrix: no problem. |
| 19:26:26 | gevaerts | codesquid: not even that ;) |
| 19:26:36 | * | codesquid will eat all the pill himself then |
| 19:27:34 | * | gevaerts looks in his inbox and sees mail that could have been sent by codesquid :) |
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| 19:32:22 | crashmatrix | ah crap |
| 19:32:28 | crashmatrix | HD failure :( |
| 19:32:31 | * | crashmatrix sad panda |
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| 20:16:27 | Mouser_X2 | Anyone using 8680 much? (MOD patch) |
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| 20:16:48 | Mouser_X2 | I think there may be a problem with how it handles loops/pattern things. |
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| 20:17:12 | Mouser_X2 | (I don't actually make MODs myself, so I have no idea what they're referred to as.) |
| 20:17:40 | barrywardell | Is UMS supposed to be enabled by default on H10 now? |
| 20:17:52 | gevaerts | barrywardell: no |
| 20:18:07 | barrywardell | I'm getting a drive appearing on my mac... |
| 20:18:24 | barrywardell | that's with latest svn, no patches |
| 20:19:16 | gevaerts | There was someone on the forum reporting the same thing. |
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| 20:19:24 | linuxstb_ | A miracle... |
| 20:19:50 | * | gevaerts assumes that the H10 thinks it's about time |
| 20:20:17 | barrywardell | only full speed is enabled. not high speed |
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| 20:20:23 | gevaerts | barrywardell: since you're on a mac, I assume that the drive icon appearing means that the drive is actually accessible ? |
| 20:20:38 | barrywardell | yeah, I copied a file over to check |
| 20:21:05 | barrywardell | the mac reported a device removal most of the way through the copying though (it was a 350MB file) |
| 20:21:24 | barrywardell | a drive icon appearing means that it's mounted |
| 20:22:29 | * | gevaerts found a hint |
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| 20:24:19 | gevaerts | In usb.c, the function try_reboot() does some magic, and then calls system_reboot(). This code was moved there from usb-fw-pp502x.c. For H10, it checks if(button_status()==BUTTON_RIGHT), but I have no idea why. |
| 20:24:37 | gevaerts | barrywardell: Can you see if it reboots if you connect while holding the right button ? |
| 20:24:43 | barrywardell | ok |
| 20:25:16 | barrywardell | it does |
| 20:25:19 | * | gevaerts is expecting some unhappy H10 users when this bug is fixed |
| 20:25:37 | barrywardell | although holding right also makes it not go into usb mode |
| 20:25:48 | barrywardell | so I had to time my button press just right! |
| 20:26:29 | amiconn | gevaerts: It's on purpose that the H10 requires pressing the right button for reboot |
| 20:26:45 | barrywardell | amiconn: but the behaviour is broken since the last while |
| 20:26:58 | * | gevaerts remembers something about OF and right button |
| 20:27:01 | amiconn | Yes |
| 20:27:04 | barrywardell | right now enables charging on H10 |
| 20:27:19 | amiconn | The MTP OF only goes into UMS mode when holding Right at boot |
| 20:27:48 | amiconn | And both for the big H10 and the H10 pure, there are only MTP OF versions |
| 20:28:18 | amiconn | On the small H10 one can choose between MTP and UMS OF |
| 20:28:52 | gevaerts | OK. So I guess the real bug is in usb.h, which defines BUTTON_RIGHT as the one to hold for powered-only mode |
| 20:29:04 | barrywardell | gevaerts: yes |
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| 20:29:29 | Mouser_X2 | It would seem that the MOD patch hardlocked my Gigabeat... I hit "next" (since it's not automatically skipping to the next song for MODs for some reason), and now I'm stuck with a black screen (backlight was off), and lit button LEDs... |
| 20:29:50 | * | gevaerts thinks about the best way to solve this |
| 20:30:25 | linuxstb_ | Mouser_X2: I expect the patch author would welcome feedback on flyspray... |
| 20:30:27 | * | barrywardell suggests enabling UMS by default on H10 |
| 20:30:42 | amiconn | gevaerts: Basixally the power-only vs. ums selection on H10 should work inverse to the other targets |
| 20:31:14 | amiconn | barrywardell: I wouldn't enable it by default before the remaining problem is solved |
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| 20:33:55 | gevaerts | Yes. The easiest short-term solution is to add an #ifdef H10/H10_5GB to the if() that switches between power and usb modes, and remove that one from try_reboot() (since that one then becomes redundant, and at that stage we have enabled usb_storage, so not rebooting might be dangerous) |
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| 20:36:49 | pixelma | Mouser_X: are you trying the new mod patch? |
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| 20:37:04 | Mouser_X2 | pixelma: Yes. |
| 20:37:08 | Mouser_X2 | 0.131 |
| 20:38:01 | Mouser_X2 | I've been putting a few comments on it here and there. I don't do my own builds (hardware failures), so I haven't been able to test it much until recently. |
| 20:38:08 | * | linuxstb_ commits viewports-in-wps |
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| 20:39:05 | pixelma | ah yes, tried that too and found one file in my collection that froze with an undefined instruction when skipping to it (no freeze when letting it just play but it doesn't play correctly= |
| 20:39:28 | * | pixelma hides |
| 20:39:35 | Mouser_X2 | Hmmm. Maybe you should upload that one somewhere so that it can be looked at? |
| 20:40:39 | pixelma | yes, will comment in the tracker and mention it there |
| 20:40:40 | BigBambi | linuxstb: Cool - so we can all get converting now? |
| 20:41:30 | barrywardell | gevaerts: do you want me to test a patch? |
| 20:41:34 | * | gevaerts tries to compose a nice forum post to tell someone that the new feature he likes is going to be disabled again in the next build |
| 20:41:48 | gevaerts | barrywardell: I'll have one ready in a few minutes. |
| 20:41:52 | barrywardell | ok |
| 20:42:03 | BigBambi | gevaerts: Evil :) |
| 20:42:16 | gevaerts | BigBambi: what other option is there ? |
| 20:42:28 | barrywardell | what's the remaining problem, btw? signal quality? |
| 20:42:46 | BigBambi | gevaerts: I agree with you,'twas just a :) |
| 20:42:56 | barrywardell | gevaerts: also, that latest patch in the tracker works fine on my mac |
| 20:43:31 | barrywardell | gevaerts: the blocking version, that is |
| 20:44:08 | gevaerts | barrywardell: ok. I'll test again on linux, and if that works I'll commit it. After that there is indeed only signal quality left. |
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| 20:45:47 | barrywardell | I wonder would it help to compare the register settings between H10 and other devices? |
| 20:46:09 | barrywardell | something like we did in FS #6494 |
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| 20:48:36 | gevaerts | barrywardell: can you try (and look at) gevaerts/h10.diff">http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/h10.diff ? |
| 20:49:10 | codesquid | gevaerts, battery voltage has not increased yet using unpatched rockbox |
| 20:50:26 | barrywardell | ok, testing |
| 20:50:30 | gevaerts | codesquid: I still don't see how r16611 can affect that unfortunately |
| 20:51:47 | codesquid | I'll try letting it charge through the night and if that doesn't work I'll try r1661 again |
| 20:51:55 | codesquid | *pre r16611 |
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| 20:52:50 | codesquid | note that it only used to charge if booted with cable inserted with the side-effect that things like background image and so were not loaded yet when the USB screen appeared |
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| 20:54:24 | * | linuxstb_ didn't expect those deltas.... |
| 20:55:02 | gevaerts | codesquid: ok. So I (or someone else) needs to find out what happens later in the boot sequence that makes charging not work properly |
| 20:55:23 | * | gevaerts didn't expect those deltas either |
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| 20:55:46 | * | jhMikeS won't feel so bad with priority inheritance deltas since those are less than that (and green for archos) :) |
| 20:55:54 | * | gevaerts sees that it's not his commit, and sighs with relief |
| 20:56:01 | barrywardell | gevaerts: now I never get a reboot with my H10 |
| 20:59:20 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 20:59:27 | gevaerts | barrywardell: any idea what I did wrong ? I don't see it |
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| 21:02:06 | linuxstb_ | The biggest impact is the increased RAM usage - the WPS is now an array of viewports, each of which is an array of lines. Maybe this should be changed to go back to a single list of lines... |
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| 21:03:31 | linuxstb_ | binsize is only about 1000-1400 bytes... |
| 21:04:38 | gevaerts | linuxstb_: as long as amiconn isn't here no-one will complain about those deltas ;) |
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| 21:04:50 | linuxstb_ | gevaerts: I'm complaining :) |
| 21:05:49 | linuxstb_ | But still, let's see what the theme designers can do now... |
| 21:06:55 | * | linuxstb_ has plans for the statusbar that should hopefully reduce binsize |
| 21:06:57 | Llorean | linuxstb_: As long as it won't affect the user-visible functionality, I'm not sure that's a decision that needs to be made *now* anyway. |
| 21:07:30 | jhMikeS | quick, only 20 more commits and it will be off the record |
| 21:07:35 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: ;) |
| 21:07:42 | * | linuxstb_ goes searching flyspray |
| 21:07:52 | Llorean | Does %V tag implemented belong in MajorChanges? |
| 21:08:01 | BigBambi | I'd say |
| 21:08:03 | linuxstb_ | Llorean: Yes, I think so. |
| 21:08:15 | Llorean | Alright |
| 21:08:25 | BigBambi | Getting away from line based WPSs is a pretty major change in my book |
| 21:08:43 | linuxstb_ | Llorean: True, but if the excessive RAM usage is not dealt with now, it will be forgotten... |
| 21:09:08 | BigBambi | s/change/improvement |
| 21:09:19 | pixelma | you can't actually use (load) a different font in another viewport yet, or am I missing something? |
| 21:09:34 | Llorean | linuxstb_: Probably true. I just meant, there's time to think about whether the "just a list" method will hinder future things before making a decision. |
| 21:10:26 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: No, but you can choose the system font if you want... My intention with including that ability now is so that Rockbox won't completely reject unofficial themes making use of the multifont patch - it will just default to the user font. |
| 21:11:36 | linuxstb_ | And IMO, the system font can be useful for things like numeric data (track times, playlist position etc) |
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| 21:11:46 | barrywardell | gevaerts: USB_INSERTED never happens. I always get USB_POWERED when I plug my H10 in |
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| 21:12:32 | codesquid | does e200tool only run on Linux (or similar) or does it also work on Windows? |
| 21:13:02 | gevaerts | barrywardell: is your tree up to date ? |
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| 21:13:28 | barrywardell | ah, no. not quite. trying again now... |
| 21:14:03 | linuxstb_ | codesquid: It _can_ be forced to work on Windows but it's not straightforward, and I only know of 1 person who's reported being able to do it. It's much easier to just use a Linux live CD. |
| 21:14:19 | codesquid | ok, I'll write it in the unbrick guide |
| 21:14:56 | gevaerts | codesquid: it also works on mac osx |
| 21:15:14 | codesquid | ok |
| 21:15:53 | barrywardell | gevaerts: things work now. I had reverted to an older svn version to try to find where the H10 UMS mode started |
| 21:16:06 | barrywardell | gevaerts: latest svn with your patch works as it should |
| 21:16:30 | codesquid | gevaerts, I assume it runs on *BSD as well? |
| 21:16:43 | gevaerts | codesquid: no idea |
| 21:16:52 | codesquid | OS X has a BSD core after all |
| 21:16:56 | gevaerts | barrywardell: Thanks. I'll commit |
| 21:17:22 | barrywardell | codesquid: I think the main requirement is to have libusb. if your BSD has it then it will likely work |
| 21:17:58 | codesquid | according to google, libusb is available on FreeBSD at least |
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| 21:24:08 | codesquid | I'm done updating http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick |
| 21:24:11 | codesquid | any suggestions? |
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| 21:28:48 | codesquid | I wonder, is it really possibly to totally brick an e200? |
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| 21:29:37 | gevaerts | codesquid: maybe the e200tool i2c rom write feature can manage that |
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| 21:48:11 | soap | On the question afruff23 brought up (in a roundabout way) in the forums. |
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| 21:49:15 | soap | It is my understanding that it would be impossible to customize the behavior of simply the Gigabeat (F/X) remote's buttons, as they are "mated" to the front panel buttons on a hardware level, and thus not independent switches. Is this correct? |
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| 21:50:08 | soap | As in: Swapping Volume Up and Volume Down on the remote could only happen by swapping Volume Up and Volume Down on the player itself. |
| 21:50:26 | BigBambi | soap: I think they are now independent |
| 21:51:06 | BigBambi | That did used to be the case - a remote button was 'mapped' to a main unit one, so if you changed the functionality of a main unit one, the remote changed to, but no longer |
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| 21:51:07 | soap | If that is the case - it is good-to-know BigBambi. I guess I'll look at the code. |
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| 21:51:41 | BigBambi | soap: I think I remember someone (markun I think) changing it, but will have to check myself |
| 21:51:43 | BigBambi | :) |
| 21:52:09 | linuxstb_ | soap: Looking briefly at the driver, the remote buttons look completely independent to me. |
| 21:52:36 | soap | lalala I can't hear you. No fair you can read it faster than me. |
| 21:52:52 | linuxstb_ | I was looking whilst you were chatting to BigBambi... |
| 21:53:13 | Beta2K | the remote buttons are seperate defines |
| 21:53:25 | BigBambi | Thought so |
| 21:54:13 | * | ender` yawns |
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| 22:01:05 | rastataper | anyone out there? |
| 22:01:41 | rastataper | Wonder how many people in here are using the iriver h120 |
| 22:01:51 | * | ender` raises hand |
| 22:02:00 | rastataper | YOU! |
| 22:02:14 | rastataper | cool, i am going to be buying one from ts |
| 22:02:18 | rastataper | do you still like yours?> |
| 22:02:58 | Llorean | It's easily one of the Rockbox players most preferred by people who have it and other players. |
| 22:03:20 | rastataper | do you use for recording or more for listening purposes? |
| 22:03:42 | rastataper | Nice. I think I'll like it. its the H120D. Any idea what the D means? |
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| 22:04:47 | * | BigBambi loves his H140 |
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| 22:05:29 | rastataper | whats the major difference between 140 and 120? |
| 22:05:39 | BigBambi | rastataper: Of all my DAPs (4) if I had to chose I'd still have the H140 |
| 22:05:50 | BigBambi | rastataper: 20 GB or 40 GB hard disk |
| 22:06:14 | rastataper | thats it? Couldn't you just replace the 20 for a 40 on the h140? |
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| 22:06:50 | BigBambi | rastataper: Depends on whether the disk is single or double platter |
| 22:06:58 | rastataper | am i talking with just you, bigbambi |
| 22:07:05 | BigBambi | er, right |
| 22:08:27 | BigBambi | rastataper: The H120 came with a 5mm single platter HD, and the H140 with a 8mm double platter HD. So you can put any single platter HD (with the same interface, which in reality is a limit of 40 GB if you can find it) in a H120, and any single or double platter HD with the same interface in a H140 |
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| 22:09:34 | rastataper | oh, i see. thanks. I'll keep that in mind if i want to upgrade the space. |
| 22:09:59 | rastataper | Do you use your iriver for play back or recording? |
| 22:10:49 | BigBambi | rastataper: See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement |
| 22:10:57 | rastataper | thanks! |
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| 22:11:16 | BigBambi | rastataper: Mainly playback, but if you want to record the H1x0 is unbeatable (IMO) |
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| 22:11:19 | ender` | i use mine for listening |
| 22:12:24 | rastataper | Yeah, I'll be using the 120 for recording. I'm sure 20 gigs will be plenty but never hurts to have more |
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| 22:13:19 | Llorean | Well as long as you get to your computer once a day, it's pretty hard to fill 20 gigs |
| 22:13:42 | rastataper | haha |
| 22:13:54 | rastataper | but then you don't have to worry about that |
| 22:14:21 | rastataper | What kind of music do you listen to? |
| 22:14:32 | Llorean | This channel isn't really for that sort of thing. |
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| 22:14:44 | rastataper | Oh, okay |
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| 22:15:13 | BigBambi | rastataper: For OT talk there is #rockbox-community |
| 22:15:21 | Beta2K | Come over to #rockbox-community for such things |
| 22:15:46 | rastataper | Yes, dear. I won't ask again. |
| 22:16:13 | echelon_ | hi, whenever i plug in my sansa in rockbox mode i get FAT: Directory bread(block 514) failed |
| 22:16:49 | BigBambi | echelon_: Are you using a custom build with the unfinished USB stack enabled? |
| 22:17:05 | echelon_ | custom build? |
| 22:17:17 | BigBambi | Are you using an official build, or not? |
| 22:17:22 | echelon_ | official |
| 22:17:43 | BigBambi | There is nor rockbox USB mode in the official builds, it should reboot to the OF |
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| 22:17:49 | * | BigBambi looks at gevaerts |
| 22:17:58 | * | gevaerts hides |
| 22:18:07 | * | BigBambi prods gevaerts with a stick |
| 22:18:18 | echelon_ | BigBambi, i just hold down the select button |
| 22:18:30 | BigBambi | Ah, so that should charge only I believe |
| 22:18:38 | echelon_ | oh, weird |
| 22:18:39 | BigBambi | echelon_: What version of rockbox? |
| 22:18:56 | BigBambi | menu > System > Rockbox info |
| 22:20:12 | echelon_ | r15732-07112 |
| 22:20:39 | BigBambi | echelon_: Please update to a current build |
| 22:20:47 | echelon_ | ok |
| 22:21:04 | BigBambi | That is 4 months old, and many many things have changed since then |
| 22:21:39 | * | gevaerts is relieved. He didn't introduce bugs in that version |
| 22:22:03 | rastataper | How often is the rockbox software updated? |
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| 22:22:14 | gevaerts | rastataper: several times a day |
| 22:22:40 | rastataper | lol, thats pretty hard cord |
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| 22:23:00 | BigBambi | echelon_: That 1002 versions out of date :) |
| 22:24:15 | BigBambi | Add an is where appropriate |
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| 22:25:31 | echelon_ | are there separate instructions for upgrading? |
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| 22:26:52 | Beta2K | Download the latest from rockbox.org, extract it to your player. :) |
| 22:26:58 | BigBambi | echelon_: Nope, just unzip a new build over the old one |
| 22:27:01 | echelon_ | ok |
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| 22:31:54 | amiconn | hmmmmrrrmmmrrr |
| 22:32:03 | rastataper | rmmmmmmmmmmh |
| 22:32:03 | amiconn | Quite big red delta :\ |
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| 22:32:24 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: I'm working on it now... |
| 22:32:38 | * | amiconn wonders what all this extra ram is allocated for |
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| 22:33:17 | echelon_ | it still shows the old version # |
| 22:33:27 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Read the logs from a couple of hours ago... |
| 22:34:03 | BigBambi | echelon_: What OS, and how did you unzip? |
| 22:34:33 | echelon_ | linux |
| 22:34:45 | echelon_ | i cd'ed into /media/memory0 |
| 22:35:08 | echelon_ | then.. unzip -x /tmp/rockbox.zip |
| 22:35:50 | BigBambi | echelon_: You may want -o |
| 22:35:59 | BigBambi | You need to overwrite the old files |
| 22:36:15 | gevaerts | echelon_: are you sure about the -x ? |
| 22:36:23 | echelon_ | yes |
| 22:36:36 | echelon_ | i said 'A' when i prompted me to replace All |
| 22:36:50 | amiconn | linuxstb: What are your ideas for the statusbar? |
| 22:37:05 | * | amiconn hopes those ideas might fix the dreaded statusbar delays |
| 22:37:14 | BigBambi | -x is to exclude certain files |
| 22:37:40 | amiconn | Those are quite annoying, as are all the graphical glitches introduced by viewported lists |
| 22:37:49 | BigBambi | echelon_: Try unzip -o /tmp/rockbox.zip -d /media/memory0 |
| 22:38:03 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: My idea is basically to use the WPS code to display it. |
| 22:38:31 | gevaerts | echelon_: did you unmount properly before unplugging ? |
| 22:38:48 | echelon_ | no :\ |
| 22:39:17 | rastataper | Cna I just in for a min |
| 22:39:38 | * | amiconn has no idea how a themable statusbar can be made as useful as the hardcoded one |
| 22:39:41 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: It's something I want to experiment with to see what's possible, I'm not suggesting (yet...) that it's a good idea. |
| 22:39:52 | Llorean | amiconn: Do you know, does the official X5 bootloader dual boot? I thought there was a patch that didn't use any of the OF info to do it, finally. |
| 22:40:14 | amiconn | Llorean: The current iaudio bootloaders don't support dual boot |
| 22:40:37 | Llorean | amiconn: I don't think you could improve usefulness with themeing it. I *do* think that a very large percentage of our users wouldn't mind a less useful, more visually appealing one. The same group that regularly just turns it off right now. |
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| 22:40:43 | amiconn | There is a patch, but I just know it exists. Never checked it |
| 22:40:48 | Llorean | Aaaah |
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| 22:41:05 | rastataper | without actually reading the site, is it very difficult to install the software for iriver |
| 22:41:14 | BigBambi | rastataper: Right |
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| 22:41:34 | BigBambi | rastataper: It is an involved process, nothing we can do about that. That is why the manual exists |
| 22:41:44 | amiconn | Llorean: My fear is that with a themable statusbar we'll actually *give uP* functionality. Functionality that I do like and use. |
| 22:42:14 | BigBambi | I like the info on the statusbar, but it looks ugly, and is too small for me |
| 22:42:36 | Llorean | amiconn: If it's themable, how would that cost us functionality? |
| 22:42:36 | BigBambi | i.e. I want to be able to have volume, battery etc. in the menus, but in a more attractive way |
| 22:42:46 | amiconn | Like, how could a themable battery icon be implemented that offers the same fine-grained resolution as the current one? Same goes for the volume indicator - one of the reasons why my wps'es *always* use the standard statusbar |
| 22:43:00 | * | Llorean imagines many users with poor sight wouldn't mind a two-line status bar containing much larger versions of the info |
| 22:43:08 | Llorean | amiconn: Bitmap strips. |
| 22:43:17 | echelon_ | it worked! thanks :) |
| 22:43:29 | Llorean | amiconn: The battery and colume icons could work almost exactly like the progress bar in WPS works. |
| 22:43:39 | Llorean | Reveal X% of the bitmap, where that's how much % of volume/battery |
| 22:43:41 | echelon_ | the battery charging indicator works now? |
| 22:43:54 | gevaerts | echelon_: you should also have much better battery life now |
| 22:43:55 | amiconn | The statusbar volume & battery icons have ~15 steps. I don't want to end up with a rockbox version that takes longer than the average OF to boot because it has to load hundreds of bitmaps |
| 22:44:04 | Llorean | amiconn: One bitmap. |
| 22:44:09 | echelon_ | nice :) |
| 22:44:26 | Llorean | amiconn: Look at how the custom progress bars work in the wps. You load a single bitmap, and it only displays a portion of it, based on how much of the song has progressed. |
| 22:44:42 | Llorean | When at 100%, then 100% of the image is displayed. |
| 22:44:51 | amiconn | Llorean: Hmm, and what about the battery "frame"? The charging animation, including current level display? (the black vs grey filling system) |
| 22:44:53 | Llorean | Otherwise the image is just clipped to a length equivalent to progress. |
| 22:45:07 | echelon_ | so i can't mount while in rockbox? |
| 22:45:14 | Llorean | amiconn: With the battery you then have to display a few more images, sure. |
| 22:45:23 | echelon_ | i could've sworn i could do this while in windows |
| 22:45:28 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: The other thing I want to do with WPSs is bitmap strips for icons |
| 22:45:46 | Llorean | But again, people who want it themed suffer a slightly longer load. I certainly think unthemed status bar should remain in code for you and me though. :-P |
| 22:45:56 | BigBambi | echelon_: No, not yet (with portalplayer targets) |
| 22:46:09 | BigBambi | It should auto reboot to the OF for USB for the moment |
| 22:46:24 | gevaerts | echelon_: It should reboot to the sandisk firmware. We're working on getting native rockbox usb support, but it's still a work in progress |
| 22:46:37 | BigBambi | But gevaerts is slaving away on native Rockbox USB support, so if we all buy him beer, who knows :P |
| 22:46:37 | echelon_ | ok, it's fine i guess |
| 22:47:42 | gevaerts | BigBambi: I can't code when drunk |
| 22:47:51 | amiconn | Llorean: On H300 I would actually like a slightly larger version of the statusbar, but at the same time I really don't want to sacrifice boot time and UI responsiveness |
| 22:48:17 | * | linuxstb_ notices the standard statusbar battery icon is drawn with drawrect, drawline etc, so could at least be scaled and the colours changed |
| 22:48:57 | amiconn | Yes it is drawn this way, and volume is drawn using vline |
| 22:49:10 | * | Llorean would really like to see any WPS tag that can return a percentage also capable of drawing a horizontal or vertical percentage of a bitmap. |
| 22:50:09 | linuxstb_ | Maybe we could just add tags for the WPS that draw (at a specified height/width etc) the standard battery/volume indicators. |
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| 22:50:36 | amiconn | hmmm |
| 22:50:42 | Llorean | Vector graphics in the WPS! *gasps* :-P |
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| 22:53:03 | amiconn | Provided we find a way to stop the number of bitmaps from exploding, it might be useful to make the tag system a little more generic |
| 22:53:18 | amiconn | ...and later reuse it for other screens, like e.g. radio |
| 22:53:46 | amiconn | Currently I'm totally undecided whether that's a good or bad idea |
| 22:54:16 | linuxstb_ | You mean whether a customisable radio screen is a good idea? |
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| 22:55:13 | amiconn | All the latest UI 'enhacements' brought an ever increasing slowness and bugginess, and nobody seems to be working on fixing that mess :/ |
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| 23:01:36 | amiconn | linuxstb_: On a different matter - do you think that posting a 1st Gen test bootloader makes sense? Or would it be better to post an ipodpatcher with integrated bootloaders? |
| 23:03:19 | linuxstb_ | I think a bootloader will be enough - the people testing seem clueful enough. |
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| 23:45:12 | kugel | linuxstb, JdGordon|afk : as a multifont solution, what do you think of my idea of having the wps fonts defined in the .wps file instead of in the global config (the way the multifont patch does it now)? |
| 23:45:53 | Llorean | Why reduce flexibility that way? |
| 23:46:23 | kugel | I don't see how it reduces flexibilty |
| 23:46:38 | Llorean | You have to define fonts twice if you want to use them both in the WPS and out of it. |
| 23:47:02 | kugel | using the fonts out of it? |
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| 23:47:14 | Llorean | There's an awful lot of non-WPS text in Rockbox... |
| 23:47:23 | kugel | given that only one font is used in the menues |
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| 23:47:36 | Llorean | Only one font is used in the WPS right now too |
| 23:47:49 | Llorean | Menu headers could use a different font from menu entries. The status bar could use a third for numbers. |
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| 23:48:11 | Llorean | The main menu could use a different font than the filetree to highlight the change in contexts. |
| 23:48:15 | Llorean | There's a lot you could do with multifont. |
| 23:48:59 | kugel | defining fonts twice isn't what I call reduced flexibility |
| 23:49:04 | Llorean | Storing the fonts globally means you can easily define things such as "Headers in the WPS should use the menu header" and "Numbers in the WPS use the same number font as the status bar" meaning themes can allow people to pick and choose fonts while maintaining a consistent look. |
| 23:49:14 | Llorean | kugel: It _requires_ they be defined twice, even when there's no reason to. |
| 23:49:42 | kugel | menu headers is indeed a good point |
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| 23:50:04 | Llorean | At the same time, it requires a system be in place to identify when a font is used in and out of the WPS so that the font isn't loaded more than once. |
| 23:50:13 | Llorean | It makes more sense to define all the fonts in one place, and one list. |
| 23:50:29 | kugel | however, having different fonts in the menues and the filetree doesn't make sense to me (i.e. I have no idea why one would want that), that's why the multifont patch dropped that |
| 23:50:54 | Llorean | People mistakenly think that "Files" is a menu. This would offer visual differentiation. |
| 23:51:09 | kugel | I know about that difference |
| 23:51:12 | Llorean | Reduce user confusion by showing a clear change of context. |
| 23:51:20 | linuxstb | I would like that - my filenames are generally quite long, and menu options quite short. |
| 23:51:27 | kugel | but I still wouldn't want different fonts in those both contexts |
| 23:51:40 | Llorean | kugel: But YOU don't have to use it. |
| 23:51:54 | linuxstb | So when I have a small enough font to see the filetree clearly, the menus just take a small corner of the screen... (on my GB) |
| 23:51:55 | Llorean | That doesn't mean you should make it harder for other people to, while at the same time complicating the font process. |
| 23:52:04 | kugel | anyway, you have some good points against my idea |
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| 23:53:03 | Llorean | It could even be as simple as using a Bold version for the menus, and a non-Bold for the filetree. |
| 23:53:56 | kugel | I just think it's more logical to have it in the wps |
| 23:54:02 | Llorean | Why? |
| 23:54:11 | Llorean | There's always going to be at least one menu font. |
| 23:54:15 | Llorean | Why put the fonts in different places? |
| 23:54:28 | kugel | fonts in the wps should go in the wps file, just like bitmaps and tags and stuff |
| 23:54:33 | linuxstb | kugel: Rockbox theming is about far more than the wps now (or at least, should be) |
| 23:55:00 | kugel | linuxstb: I'm aware of that |
| 23:55:06 | linuxstb | If anything, bitmaps could be moved out of the WPS, and used elsewhere... |
| 23:56:21 | kugel | For the case that the font is used allready in the menu, the loading could be aborted using an if or something. I just think it's easier for the user that he defines the font he wants to use in his wps in the wps file |
| 23:56:30 | kugel | anyway, I got to go now. See you |
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| 23:56:43 | DefineByte | it seems analogous to html and external style sheets to me. :) |
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| 23:57:19 | linuxstb | Also, "easier for the user" isn't the only consideration - we want it easy for Rockbox.... |
| 23:58:07 | BigBambi | I don't see how it easier for the user |
| 23:58:20 | BigBambi | define the fonts in a .wps or a .cfg, you stil have to do it |
| 23:58:27 | BigBambi | *still |
| 23:58:44 | DefineByte | Are you a simple 'user' if you're creating themes? |
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