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| 00:09:50 | linuxstb_ | kugel: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080322#14:07:33 |
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| 00:10:11 | linuxstb_ | If you want to try the path, the latest is here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/wps_strips_v3.diff |
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| 00:18:19 | kugel | linuxstb_: Subimages? |
| 00:18:49 | kugel | Like icon sets? They consist of 1 bmp, which contains several icons |
| 00:20:13 | linuxstb_ | Yes - just like the icon strips. e.g. http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/volume.bmp |
| 00:22:05 | Llorean | linuxstb_: What do you think about, for volume, battery, and things like that, using a method similar to the progress bar where a portion of one image is revealed, rather than using multiple images? |
| 00:22:25 | Llorean | It seems like your method might speed up WPS loading, but not really address the "I have too many images to fit into memory" problem at all. |
| 00:23:49 | linuxstb_ | That sounds like a different problem |
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| 00:28:52 | kugel | linuxstb_: I wonder if your parse_list function would work well with the multifont solution 1 |
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| 00:30:35 | linuxstb_ | What do you mean? It already does. |
| 00:31:02 | djzn | hello... didn't anyone think of a "rockbox" for mp3-capable static DVD-Players? It is surely missed!!! Why only "portable" players??? |
| 00:31:26 | gevaerts | djzn: you're welcome to work on that ;) |
| 00:31:47 | djzn | i mean, is it possible? |
| 00:31:48 | kugel | linuxstb_: if the fonts were defined in the global config |
| 00:32:10 | ryanhamel | i got a solution for hfs+ to fat32 |
| 00:33:25 | djzn | gevaerts: would it be possible? |
| 00:33:33 | ryanhamel | take a ipod to a windows computer, restore it, when it get's to the part where you name it you click cancel or eject it, then set it up in itunes on the mac. It will keep the fat32 partition but you can't update it |
| 00:33:54 | Llorean | djzn: Depends an awful lot on the hardware itself. |
| 00:34:03 | ryanhamel | remember what i said here folks |
| 00:34:10 | krazykit | ryanhamel, yes, that's the easy way to do it. if you're on a mac or in linux, though, it won't work |
| 00:34:39 | gevaerts | djzn: I would expect that most dvd players are not capable of running rockbox, but I don't actually know |
| 00:34:43 | linuxstb_ | ryanhamel: That's why I asked you which OS you were using... |
| 00:34:54 | ryanhamel | i am on my macbookpro and it works fine with what i told you |
| 00:35:06 | djzn | Llorean: SONY players have a own-designed software to play the MP3/JPEG. ENCORE players for example they have this "generic" software. Would it be harder to break the Sony one? |
| 00:35:16 | linuxstb_ | ryanhamel: Yes, the wiki page you were pointed to tells you that. |
| 00:35:34 | krazykit | djzn, that's really impossible to say. it just depends on what the software designers did. |
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| 00:35:51 | Llorean | djzn: Really, this is something you'll have to actually investigate, not something anyone here can tell you. |
| 00:35:55 | djzn | krazykit: is it possible to reverse-engineer it? |
| 00:36:17 | krazykit | djzn, like Llorean said, you'd have to investigate it yourself. |
| 00:36:24 | djzn | i know but |
| 00:36:40 | djzn | does rockbox need any "layer" of "mini-OS" to run on the hardware? |
| 00:36:54 | ryanhamel | no, it tells you to name it on the windows computer |
| 00:36:54 | djzn | or in theory could it be applied to any piece of hardware? |
| 00:37:07 | krazykit | djzn, in theory, it could work on any hardware, provided you write the drivers for it. |
| 00:37:24 | gevaerts | djzn: no. It can run on any hardware that has enough RAM and CPU |
| 00:37:44 | djzn | would the most problematic thing the "flash-memory" upgrade feature - something that these corporations keep in secret? |
| 00:38:10 | linuxstb_ | ryanhamel: So you're saying it doesn't work if you name it on the windows computer? |
| 00:38:11 | krazykit | that and undocumented hardware, most likely. |
| 00:38:19 | ryanhamel | right |
| 00:38:27 | gevaerts | djzn: that's one of the problems, but certainly not the only one |
| 00:38:29 | ryanhamel | then it would not sync |
| 00:38:49 | djzn | we've got thousands of DVD-Players around and no one ever thought of breaking one? |
| 00:39:28 | ryanhamel | when the computer is done restoring the apple os (not naming it or anything else) |
| 00:39:46 | ryanhamel | plug it in to a mac itunes then name it, and then it will sync |
| 00:40:47 | gevaerts | djzn: rockbox is mostly interested in portable players. And as I said before, I doubt if the average dvd player has a cpu and RAM that can handle rockbox |
| 00:40:53 | codesquid | djzn, I guess most of the people capable to actually code software for DVD-Players don't really use them ;) |
| 00:41:44 | djzn | geaverts: ok, how much RAM and CPU should be enough to rockbox and how much of it you guess DVD-Players come with? |
| 00:42:01 | kugel | djzn: I recently came to the same idea, rockbox on my DVB-T receiver :) |
| 00:42:21 | Llorean | djzn: Seriously, why all the requests for guesses, they do you absolutely no good. |
| 00:42:53 | djzn | Llorean: I think the developers are under-estimating the use of the static DVD-Player... in some places they are the only thing that plays something |
| 00:43:12 | JdGordon | how many dvd players allow ou to upgrade their firmware? |
| 00:43:19 | Llorean | djzn: That doesn't answer my question in any way, form, or shape. |
| 00:43:25 | Horscht | I seriously know only a small ammount of people that still use a stand alone DVD player |
| 00:43:26 | kugel | my dvb-t receiver does :) |
| 00:43:44 | Horscht | most people either have an xbox with XBMC on it, or a media center PC |
| 00:43:44 | djzn | JdGordon: I know a lot of them... Philips, Sony, Samsung all have firmware upgrades |
| 00:43:55 | gevaerts | djzn: there are even more cassette players, but that doesn't mean it is possible to run rockbox on them |
| 00:44:07 | codesquid | I can't think of anything a PC cannot do far better than a DVD Player |
| 00:44:30 | djzn | we don't want to live in front a PC all the time, do we? |
| 00:44:32 | Llorean | codesquid: "Do the same job, cheaply" |
| 00:44:35 | gevaerts | codesquid: being cheap ? |
| 00:44:38 | Horscht | plus, media centers can now look awesome |
| 00:44:40 | Llorean | djzn: PCs can be hooked up to a TV. |
| 00:44:40 | * | JdGordon would love to wathc codesquid type an essay on his dvd player! |
| 00:44:54 | JdGordon | doh! |
| 00:44:56 | * | amiconn doesn't agree with Horscht, but that's OT... |
| 00:44:56 | * | JdGordon misread |
| 00:45:22 | Horscht | isn't like 99% of all this OT, anyway? |
| 00:45:23 | codesquid | "having 1 pc" vs. "having 1 pc and a dvd player", what's cheaper? ;) |
| 00:45:34 | Llorean | djzn: As it stands though, Rockbox was designed as a replacement firmware for MP3 players. The people who work on it right now were attracted to it specifically because of what it is. If you want to port it to DVD players, that's fine, but odds are good you're going to need to do an awful lot of work. |
| 00:45:50 | kugel | codesquid: Not all people are willing to buy a pc just to watch dvds |
| 00:46:06 | codesquid | kugel, how to get rockbox on those dvd players without a pc? |
| 00:46:07 | djzn | you could be really big, you know |
| 00:46:27 | Horscht | friends, codesquid |
| 00:46:33 | kugel | codesquid: there are many ways |
| 00:46:37 | Horscht | friends with PCs |
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| 00:47:32 | codesquid | hmm dunno if that would be a successful model to spread dvd player firmware |
| 00:48:09 | Horscht | it's not a model to spread it, it's a model to get it on your player |
| 00:48:15 | kugel | codesquid: The main thing is, that a DVD player is small, much smaller than a common PC (and thus fits better in a living room). You don't need to wait mintues to boot it up, you don't need to mess with malware. There are many more reasons for a DVD player |
| 00:48:49 | Llorean | kugel: PCs can be designed as small as most DVD players, and with hibernation can boot up as fast as many do. |
| 00:48:50 | kugel | but that's really OT now! My conclusion is that it's certainly possible to run rockbox, and that it would be cool, but it should not be the object for rockbox to run on those stuff |
| 00:48:55 | codesquid | no doubt that having a free open source dvd player firmware would be useful, I'm however concerned about the "need" to have it |
| 00:49:06 | Horscht | but then again, people that buy a DVD player, buy it to... huh?.... play DVDs |
| 00:49:09 | codesquid | kugel, I have a Mac Mini, quite small and very silent |
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| 00:49:29 | kugel | codesquid: and you paid more than 50 bucks, didn't you? |
| 00:49:31 | Llorean | Horscht: Many modern DVD players also support CDs, MP3-audio on CDs, and other tihngs. |
| 00:49:41 | Llorean | kugel, codesquid: Enough of this. |
| 00:49:51 | Horscht | well, my very old one does, as well. |
| 00:49:59 | Horscht | But the argument was a different |
| 00:50:06 | djzn | the point is... most DVD's are MP3 & JPEG capable with directory listing... obviously there's a software that does it.... |
| 00:50:26 | Llorean | djzn: The point is, you'll need to do a LOT of work to get it done. |
| 00:50:31 | Horscht | yes, there is. So why would anyone need Rockbox on it? |
| 00:50:45 | Llorean | Horscht: For media formats not supported, obviously. |
| 00:50:46 | * | JdGordon reminds everyone this is a on topic channel and the track is somewhere over ==================>>> there |
| 00:50:53 | djzn | Horscht: for MPC, FLAC, etc |
| 00:51:21 | * | kugel points to #rockbox-community |
| 00:51:34 | * | JdGordon punches kugel |
| 00:51:37 | JdGordon | dont send them there |
| 00:51:38 | kugel | :) |
| 00:51:41 | Horscht | ok... you see, I am not following exactly. Don't you think that people using FLAC etc. would use a PC/Media Center instead? |
| 00:51:58 | djzn | Horscht: Expensive & unpratical |
| 00:52:31 | djzn | focus on portables only is *very much* stupid and dumb |
| 00:52:37 | Llorean | Horscht: People using FLAC already may have it on their potable player, and a media center, but may have a few cheaper DVD players scattered about. |
| 00:52:39 | djzn | and narrow minded |
| 00:52:47 | Llorean | djzn: Do not go there. |
| 00:52:53 | Horscht | ouch |
| 00:52:54 | Llorean | It's rather silly to ask for help, and call a project dumb, in the same sentence. |
| 00:53:13 | Horscht | you see, it's like me complaining that my MP3 player doesn't play videos |
| 00:53:29 | codesquid | please, the rockbox developers are doing a great job |
| 00:53:34 | Llorean | djzn: Rockbox was designed by people scratching an itch. It was not designed "to help out the world". This is YOUR itch, and until you find other itchy people (which we obviously are not) YOU'RE the one doing the scratching. |
| 00:53:45 | linuxstb_ | djzn: No-one is telling you not do go and do it - just that it's not the focus of the people interested in this project. |
| 00:54:02 | Horscht | because it's an MP3 player, I bought it to play music. Rockbox frees my MP3 Player to play other AUDIO formats as well |
| 00:54:13 | djzn | i bet if someone gets rockbox on a dvd, even the website would fail to spread it... |
| 00:54:19 | djzn | because of the narrow-minded people |
| 00:54:21 | Llorean | Horscht: Look, stop, okay. It really is a suitable target for *someone* to work on. |
| 00:54:38 | Horscht | okay |
| 00:54:41 | Llorean | djzn: Look, now you're just trolling. Trust me, stop it before you say something too stupid. |
| 00:54:50 | Horscht | but only because it's your birthday |
| 00:55:08 | djzn | you know, i COULD call you narrow-minded... you try to cut the conversation in many ways... |
| 00:55:31 | Llorean | djzn: And i could call you narrow-minded for being too daft to realize that you can't make people work for you by calling them names. |
| 00:55:33 | JdGordon | and we COULD kick you for being off topic and annoying |
| 00:55:47 | Llorean | djzn: I've told you already: This is something people actually interested in it would have to work on. |
| 00:55:55 | Llorean | If you did a sound port, it'd probably get accepted. |
| 00:56:04 | djzn | all i am suggesting is someone to look on how to port to DVD's and your answers are always "never, forget it, too difficult, no focus.." |
| 00:56:19 | Llorean | But you're too indignant and whiny to be interested in something you actually have to work on, and seem to think the world should do what you ask because *you* want it so much. |
| 00:56:35 | djzn | no, this is your pickness... |
| 00:56:37 | Llorean | djzn: That's the thing, you're suggesting someone ELSE do it. Rather than saying "I'm interested in doing it, how do I start." |
| 00:56:38 | gevaerts | djzn: suggesting that "someone" does something is one of the things you shouldn't do in an open source project |
| 00:56:59 | djzn | you never said "you want the help to start"? |
| 00:57:02 | Llorean | djzn: Nobody said it was too difficult. We said it IS difficult, and it's something WE are not interested in. |
| 00:57:11 | Horscht | you never said "I want to port" |
| 00:57:18 | Llorean | djzn: You never asked for help. I answered your questions on the topic though |
| 00:57:34 | Llorean | djzn: You asked for a lot of pointless guesswork, and i told you "no, you need to investigate" |
| 00:57:39 | Llorean | I consider that help, since it's a factual statement. |
| 00:57:41 | djzn | ah ah ah... i bet that what hinders you is this "on topic" - "off topic" thing..... |
| 00:58:06 | djzn | you pay more attention on being "on-topic"/"off-topic" than actually thinking about the DVD-Player idea |
| 00:58:14 | benjamin | anyone known wether porting busybox, etc... is possible |
| 00:58:14 | djzn | that could help the world |
| 00:58:23 | Horscht | I think what hinders the current coders, is that they are not interested in a port |
| 00:58:25 | Llorean | djzn: Again, you're trolling. |
| 00:58:30 | kugel | djzn: Do it yourself, and let people alone that are not interested in it please |
| 00:58:38 | Llorean | djzn: Do YOU want to work on it, or are you only here to call us names for not doing your bidding? |
| 00:58:41 | Horscht | people that are interested are welcome to port it |
| 00:58:47 | djzn | if you are not interested... close the IRC... close the site... |
| 00:59:03 | kugel | You should rather open your mind |
| 00:59:04 | djzn | don't make this damn thing public... do not spread it, do not do it |
| 00:59:16 | Horscht | your logic deceives me |
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| 00:59:34 | JdGordon | djzn: rockbox is also not about limitiing the origional target... _if_ rockbox was ported to a dvd player there would be no way to watch dvds on it so would be pointless anyway |
| 00:59:47 | Llorean | djzn: So what you're saying is "Despite many thousands of free hours working on something that helps tens of thousands of people, because it didn't do something only peripherally related, you should quit." |
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| 01:00:08 | Llorean | djzn: As we've ALL said, you're welcome to work on it. |
| 01:00:17 | codesquid | djzn, do you have any idea how difficult it is to start a new port? I have been following the development for a few months now and from what I can see it's extremely complicated. |
| 01:00:44 | djzn | ok, you see... the original firmware of an iPod... that WAS complicated... |
| 01:00:56 | Llorean | djzn: And if you don't stop trolling, I'm sure you'll be removed soon. If you want to do the work, fine. If you want to look for interest, fine. If you want to insult people for not being interested, that is unacceptable. |
| 01:00:58 | djzn | but a DVD-Player? that only display folders and files and play it???? |
| 01:01:14 | Llorean | djzn: And you've just made it absolutely clear you have no idea what sort of work goes into this. |
| 01:01:23 | djzn | De-Lorean |
| 01:01:40 | djzn | rockbox is TINY, and will stay TINY... until you open your mind... oK? |
| 01:01:40 | codesquid | djzn, "but an iPod? That only displays a list of files and play it????" |
| 01:01:50 | Horscht | what does the current firmware tell you about the feasibility of a port? |
| 01:02:09 | djzn | how easy is to crack a dvd-player |
| 01:02:15 | Llorean | djzn: Then DO it. |
| 01:02:15 | djzn | and no one ever THOUGHT of that... ah.. |
| 01:02:22 | Llorean | If it's so easy, bring us back a port. |
| 01:02:53 | djzn | i am sure that if you really knew the code of an iPod... you would KNOW that a DVD is easier |
| 01:03:03 | JdGordon | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 01:03:11 | * | codesquid giggles |
| 01:03:15 | djzn | but that's what I'm saying.. LACK of focus.... focusing only on miserable mp3 players |
| 01:03:20 | * | Horscht is shocked |
| 01:04:07 | djzn | how about putting a site "rockbox-dvd.org" - all are welcomed to start this new project |
| 01:04:11 | ali_as | If the focus is tighter than you want, that isn't lack of focus. |
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| 01:04:51 | Llorean | djzn: That domain's probably not registered. Go for it. But now you're asking other people to spend money and time on your idea. |
| 01:04:56 | ali_as | Kiss make some dvd players that play media. |
| 01:04:59 | djzn | "we want volunteers to help to break DVD firmwares for them to play MKV, AVI, AAC, FLAC, MPC" |
| 01:05:12 | ali_as | Over a network connection or off an internal hard disk. |
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| 01:05:28 | ali_as | That has some problems. |
| 01:05:33 | Horscht | no, it's not *US* that want it, it's *YOU* |
| 01:05:38 | ali_as | Hardware limitations. |
| 01:05:45 | Llorean | djzn: One last time. Stop the ranting. This project is your idea, that means you'll need to do the work. |
| 01:06:01 | djzn | Oh might powerful... you got the power now... Oh poor me... |
| 01:06:11 | djzn | how big you are... I am THREATENED |
| 01:06:19 | djzn | another IRC GOD |
| 01:06:22 | djzn | oh my... |
| 01:07:04 | djzn | let's have some sex with my wife.. and forget about this rockshit thing |
| 01:07:35 | ali_as | Remember to fill her up with air first. |
| 01:07:40 | djzn | miserable mp3 players... |
| 01:07:44 | djzn | who have them? |
| 01:07:49 | djzn | no one |
| 01:07:53 | ali_as | DVD is dead anyway. |
| 01:07:56 | * | gromit` laughs |
| 01:08:00 | ali_as | HDTV is the new wave. |
| 01:08:08 | djzn | you realize your licking steve job's balls |
| 01:08:15 | djzn | focusing on ipods |
| 01:08:16 | * | Horscht just can't be bothered anymore |
| 01:08:26 | ali_as | Don't have an ipod. |
| 01:08:44 | ali_as | Don't think most people here do either. |
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| 01:08:55 | ali_as | I think you have misunderstood the point. |
| 01:09:13 | kugel | Wow, this guy was... |
| 01:09:32 | Horscht | ...weird |
| 01:09:40 | CaptainKewl | a troll? :P |
| 01:10:41 | * | gevaerts comes out from under the table... Why is it so quiet here ? |
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| 01:14:40 | CaptainKewl | I made a mikmod plugin which runs on my 5g ipod, but it hangs each time get_more is called. Doesn't do this on the simulator. Am I right in guessing that this is due to processing and not because I'm doing the buffering wrong? And if so, does this mean that a realtime playback just isn't going to happen? |
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| 01:17:07 | benjamin | is porting a simple scripting language viable for rockbox? |
| 01:17:31 | JdGordon | depends which and what you want to do with it |
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| 01:18:25 | benjamin | graphics API, music player API, it's a hassle to recompile everytime for a new app |
| 01:18:54 | JdGordon | remember these arnt very powerful cpus... |
| 01:20:12 | benjamin | nothing like perl, but something like lisp, i believe some have larger than a 100mhz arm's |
| 01:20:58 | Llorean | One does. |
| 01:21:22 | benjamin | gigabeat? |
| 01:21:37 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 01:21:58 | Llorean | You are aware that you can just compile the plugins when you recompile, right? |
| 01:22:23 | Llorean | Porting a scripting language is just going to be a way to come up with an even more restricted environment within the already rather restricted one. :-P |
| 01:23:34 | benjamin | how? i think it would be much more open for developers, to create simple apps. |
| 01:24:10 | Llorean | So, less available RAM, and a reduction of the already slow processing speed doesn't sound like "more restricted" to you? |
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| 01:24:50 | JdGordon | the only scripting lang i;d like to see is TI-BASIC |
| 01:25:01 | JdGordon | that would be cool :D |
| 01:25:11 | Llorean | Heh |
| 01:25:17 | benjamin | simple assembler type stuff, set var = val, call_function arg, it would be easy to parse |
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| 01:25:38 | gevaerts | Actually, doesn't zxbox contain a scripting language ? |
| 01:26:15 | Llorean | benjamin: Well knock yourself out. You can do it, I just don't think it'll be as popular as you think. |
| 01:26:57 | gevaerts | benjamin: if you do it, reuse an existing scripting language. Some of them are easy to embed |
| 01:27:03 | postaldude | Could someone help me recovering my iPod? A friend tryed to install rockbox on it and right now when I boot it is says "Use iTunes to restore" |
| 01:27:32 | postaldude | I tryed to restore it from iTunes but after restoring it it reboots and I get the same message |
| 01:27:50 | soap | that is a coincidental sign of a failing hard drive I think. |
| 01:27:53 | postaldude | I also tryed to manually restore it with this doc: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore#How_to_restore_an_ipod |
| 01:28:05 | benjamin | thanks for the suggestions, i might create something like TCL |
| 01:28:07 | soap | sounds like you went down the right path. |
| 01:28:22 | gevaerts | benjamin: other candidates might be lua or python |
| 01:29:30 | benjamin | python, right! pymite(python bytecode interpreter) has been created for the 8-bit atmel avr cpu platform would be easy to embed. thx |
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| 01:29:58 | postaldude | When I go in diagnostic mode and run the disk test (its Flash, its a Nano) it says that everything is fine |
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| 01:30:22 | postaldude | Any suggestion? |
| 01:30:28 | soap | That is odd, postaldude. |
| 01:30:36 | soap | Nano 1st gen? |
| 01:30:39 | postaldude | yes |
| 01:30:57 | soap | Just to be sure - not to be a dick - stainless steel back and plastic face? |
| 01:31:07 | postaldude | yes |
| 01:31:36 | soap | what operating system are you using, and what ones do you have available? |
| 01:31:43 | benjamin | any preference for a interpreted language? python, basic, tcl, assembly stuff, jscript |
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| 01:32:14 | soap | LOLCODE, benjamin, LOLCODE |
| 01:32:15 | postaldude | Well, I tryed to restore it with iTune from Vista and for the manual restore I used a Linux box |
| 01:32:47 | soap | Dang, postaldude, from what you have said you have been a good boy and put forth a good effort. |
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| 01:33:14 | postaldude | Yeah, but I am kind of clueless right now |
| 01:33:22 | gevaerts | benjamin: take one that makes it easy to bind to C functions, so you can e.g. wrap the plugin api. Lua claims to do that, python too. Maybe tl as well, I don't know |
| 01:33:26 | gevaerts | s/tl/tcl/ |
| 01:33:33 | soap | (Grasping at straws now) - I would try iTunes from a non-Vista OS. I have gotta believe iTunes restore /should/ work from Vista - but that is an unknown for me. |
| 01:33:50 | postaldude | I also tryed from my XP laptop |
| 01:34:05 | benjamin | haha, HAI CAN HAS STDIO? VISIBLE "YEAH RIGHT!" KTHXBYTE |
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| 01:37:12 | soap | postaldude, Assuming you had an unfettered admin account on XP I am nearing the end of my usefulness. |
| 01:37:21 | benjamin | how would i go about storing variable values, struct's? |
| 01:37:28 | soap | 1 - What does iTunes say during and after the restore attempt? |
| 01:37:40 | soap | 2 - try a new cable? |
| 01:38:23 | soap | 3 - A rockbox install shouldn't have lead to this situation, I go back to my original theory on coincidence - only evidence against that theory is the iPod diagnostic mode (but I don't know how good that is). |
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| 01:39:32 | gevaerts | benjamin: personally I would really go for an already existing library-able language implementation, and port that to rockbox. If you want to do that part yourself as well, I'm afraid you're on a long road, and there are probably better places to help you with that |
| 01:39:53 | benjamin | thx |
| 01:40:26 | gevaerts | benjamin: have a look at heep://www.lua.org/ That one is designed especially to be used in this sort of way |
| 01:40:55 | amiconn_ | gevaerts: Inventing protocols? ;) |
| 01:41:04 | benjamin | i did. |
| 01:41:12 | gevaerts | amiconn_: of course ;) |
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| 01:43:06 | * | gevaerts wonders if amiconn is really human. Only a robot can spot _all_ inaccurate statements ;) |
| 01:45:36 | postaldude | When I start the restore process I see a progress bar and when it reach 100% it says that its gonna reboot the iPod |
| 01:45:54 | soap | What are you, postaldude, a test? |
| 01:45:58 | postaldude | And then I get a pop up that says that iTunes detected an iPod in recovery mode |
| 01:46:05 | soap | You appear to be doing everthing right. |
| 01:46:17 | soap | can you manually boot it into disk mode? |
| 01:46:20 | postaldude | a test? |
| 01:46:25 | ze | gevaerts: a robot can't spot a thing, only its software can |
| 01:46:46 | ze | gevaerts: furthermore, no software is anywhere close to capable of spotting inaccurate statements thoroughly or reliably |
| 01:46:50 | soap | A test - "Soap spot the minuscule flaw in postaldude's procedure" kind of test. |
| 01:47:00 | postaldude | I am here because I tryed everything that I could find on the web and I tough that maybe someone here could help me |
| 01:47:30 | postaldude | and your help is appreciated |
| 01:47:50 | gevaerts | ze: Are you sure ? In the movies they seem to be able to do that sort of thing ! |
| 01:48:10 | ze | gevaerts: in the movies they can suck millions of joules of energy from a AA :p |
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| 01:52:30 | postaldude | Does anyone have a dd dump of a 2gb Nano 1st gen that I could use to try to restore my Nano? |
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| 01:55:26 | gevaerts | postaldude: if you don't find one, first a dd from /dev/zero, followed by the MBR from the IpodConversionToFAT32 page, then the firmware step from IpodManualRestore and finally mkfs.fat -F 32 _should_ be equivalent |
| 01:55:45 | gevaerts | postaldude: unplug and replug after the MBR step |
| 01:56:55 | postaldude | thanks, I will try right now |
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| 02:00:46 | gevaerts | postaldude: don't forget to unzip the .ipsw file. I did that once, and - surprise! - it didn't work |
| 02:01:40 | postaldude | AH! |
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| 02:02:40 | postaldude | I did not know that I had to unzip it :) |
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| 02:03:40 | gevaerts | postaldude: the IpodManualRestore says that, but since it's not called <whatever>.zip, it's easy to overlook if you unerstand what the steps actually mean |
| 02:04:08 | postaldude | yeah |
| 02:04:16 | gevaerts | postaldude: maybe try first without the dd if=/dev/zero. That takes ages |
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| 02:10:03 | gevaerts | The forums seem to be down |
| 02:10:11 | postaldude | I get the same error, here is what I did: |
| 02:10:20 | postaldude | dd if=mbr-nano2gb.bin of=/dev/sdc |
| 02:10:25 | postaldude | then unplug and replug |
| 02:10:38 | postaldude | then dd if=Firmware-14.5.3.1 of=/dev/sdc1 |
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| 02:10:51 | postaldude | and finally mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sdc2 |
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| 02:12:16 | gevaerts | That looks correct to me. |
| 02:13:31 | postaldude | There is something weird |
| 02:13:41 | postaldude | I dumped sdc1 |
| 02:14:02 | postaldude | to a file and I opened it with an hex editor and then comapred it to the firmware that I downloaded |
| 02:14:27 | postaldude | the 2 are different |
| 02:15:28 | * | gevaerts looks around for people who know more about ipods |
| 02:16:02 | postaldude | Example: |
| 02:16:16 | postaldude | From the firmware that I downloaded: Copyright(C) 2001 Apple Computer |
| 02:16:33 | postaldude | From the dump: Copiright(C) "0 1 A`ple Com`udeb |
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| 02:18:14 | gevaerts | That looks like 1 bit wrong every 2 bytes |
| 02:18:24 | postaldude | yes |
| 02:18:42 | postaldude | orig: 7B7B7E7E20202F2D2D2D2D2D5C2020207B7B7E7E202F2020 |
| 02:18:55 | postaldude | dump: 7B6B7E6E20202F2D2D2D2D2D5C2020207B6B7E6E202F2020 |
| 02:19:10 | postaldude | thats really odd |
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| 02:20:01 | gevaerts | Or at least: 1 bit forced-0 every two bytes. I think the nano uses ata natively, which has a 16-bit data path. Maybe a loose connection somewhere ? |
| 02:20:30 | kpb | I don't mean to interrupt. I am looking to find the source code for ipodpatcher. |
| 02:20:39 | kpb | anyone know where I can find it? |
| 02:20:49 | krazykit | kpb, in svn |
| 02:21:06 | kpb | OK, I checked out the source |
| 02:21:07 | krazykit | or from the source tarball |
| 02:21:21 | kpb | under firmware?? or bootloaders |
| 02:21:23 | postaldude | is there some kind of checksum checking when data is transferred? |
| 02:21:47 | gevaerts | postaldude: usb uses crc checksums. |
| 02:22:36 | postaldude | Dont you think that it would rules out loose connection? |
| 02:22:43 | krazykit | kpb, honestly, not sure where from there. maybe grep for it? |
| 02:22:49 | gevaerts | I meant a loose connection inside the ipod |
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| 02:22:54 | postaldude | oh ok |
| 02:23:06 | kpb | OK thanks. I will poke around. |
| 02:23:39 | gevaerts | I don't know anything about the nano internals, so I don't know how plausible this is. With a disk-based player I would bet on it |
| 02:24:52 | postaldude | Then I guess that I am out of luck |
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| 02:25:09 | postaldude | Thanks a lot for your help gevaerts and soap |
| 02:25:31 | gevaerts | postaldude: postaldude not necessarily. |
| 02:26:24 | gevaerts | postaldude: from what I see at http://www.ipodlinux.org/Generations#iPod_Nano_.28Nano1G.29 the nano has a separate PCB with the flash, so it might be possible to fix this by just disassembling and reassembling |
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| 02:29:02 | gevaerts | postaldude: but I think it's best to find someone who has actually opened a nano to ask if this makes sense |
| 02:31:20 | gevaerts | postaldude: http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2005/0908/nano24.jpg seems to show that the storage PCB is indeed removable. My theory is that one of the pins on the plasticky thing above the battery has a bad contact |
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| 02:31:58 | postaldude | I am opening it, we will find out |
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| 02:33:09 | gevaerts | postaldude: http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPod/iPod-Nano-1st-Gen-/Battery-Logic-Board/97/2/ has instructions |
| 02:33:44 | postaldude | thanks |
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| 02:53:55 | postaldude | It's open but the flash in under the pcb, and to remove it I would have to remove the ribbon cable for the screen, which is really short and I doubt that I will be able to put it back |
| 02:55:42 | gevaerts | postaldude: if you're careful that sort of slide-locked ribbon cable is usually doable (but fiddly) |
| 02:58:18 | gevaerts | If you can reach the flash pcb without removing that cable, maybe you can wiggle it a bit, which might be enough to re-seat the connections properly |
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| 03:01:14 | postaldude | I removed the cable, I will unscrew the pcb on which the pcb is then reseat it |
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| 03:04:49 | techhelper1 | can rockbox play .mp4 |
| 03:05:09 | postaldude | they are glued together |
| 03:05:25 | gevaerts | hmm. That sounds tricky. |
| 03:05:51 | soap | techhelper1, mp4 is not a codec, but a container. Typically it contains AAC if talking about audio. If talking about video the answer is a simple no. |
| 03:05:52 | postaldude | maybe with a knife |
| 03:06:04 | soap | postaldude, which parts are glued together? |
| 03:06:29 | soap | If the main PCB and memory "daughter board" then the odds of a finicky connection there would be rare. |
| 03:06:55 | postaldude | thats true |
| 03:07:17 | gevaerts | soap: do you have other ideas of what could be wrong ? |
| 03:07:37 | soap | no, postaldude is pissing me off because he appears to have done everything right. ;) |
| 03:08:17 | soap | typically the "restore with itunes" screen means dead HDD. What troubles me is Apple Diagnostic mode saying flash is OK. I still think it is bad flash. |
| 03:08:20 | gevaerts | did you see the bit about there being one bit always zero every 2 bytes after writing to flash ? |
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| 03:08:29 | soap | no, I'll read up. |
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| 03:10:46 | soap | postaldude, assuming linuxstb doesn't do Easter (bad assumption?) check in during daylight hours Europe time and hit him up. One sec while I look up his IRC habits. |
| 03:11:26 | gevaerts | I think that if it's not this daughterboard connection, it's not fixable (unless you replace the entire logic board, but that's probably more expensive than just buying a second-hand nano) |
| 03:12:17 | soap | He appears to be most active second half of the day Europe time (GMT +1) I think is the timezone of the IRC stats. |
| 03:12:37 | postaldude | Yeah, I am probably just going to buy a new one |
| 03:12:53 | soap | Nano 1st gen, 2GB = 50-75 dollars on Craigslist if patient. |
| 03:16:30 | * | gevaerts is really going to sleep now. |
| 03:17:10 | postaldude | again, thanks a lot for your help gecaerts |
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| 03:34:58 | PeterMitcehell | hey, whats up with the forums? |
| 03:37:04 | PeterMitcehell | is anyone else having trouble accessing them/ |
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| 03:44:24 | techhelper1 | when is chris doing videos |
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| 04:02:52 | jac0b | I have a question about the multifont patch |
| 04:03:14 | jac0b | does anyone else have mpegplayer crash on them with the patch applied? |
| 04:10:22 | PeterMitcehell | anyone having trouble accessing the forums? |
| 04:10:29 | jac0b | yeah I am |
| 04:10:35 | jac0b | just get a blank page |
| 04:10:56 | PeterMitcehell | damn |
| 04:11:12 | jac0b | is it down? |
| 04:11:19 | PeterMitcehell | no idea, probably |
| 04:11:20 | jac0b | the front page still works |
| 04:12:06 | PeterMitcehell | yeah |
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| 04:19:06 | soap | the front page is a different box than the forums. |
| 04:26:14 | PeterMitcehell | this chip http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=1335&dDocName=en010287 could be used for an rtc right/ |
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| 05:10:25 | countrymonkey | What is it, PeterMitchell? |
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| 05:18:08 | oRLY | holyshit.. lots of people.. |
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| 05:25:43 | countrymonkey | ORLY: Those are 2 words and don't swear. |
| 05:25:54 | oRLY | sorry about that.. is the forum still up? |
| 05:25:59 | countrymonkey | yes |
| 05:26:13 | countrymonkey | to my knowledge |
| 05:26:32 | oRLY | i will try IE since it doesn't seem to work in FF for me |
| 05:27:07 | oRLY | hmm countrymonkey is this the right link? |
| 05:27:07 | oRLY | http://forums.rockbox.org/ |
| 05:27:19 | countrymonkey | IE? FF? Abreviations technically shouldn't be used on #rockbox (although that rule is loosely applied). |
| 05:27:33 | countrymonkey | yes it is. |
| 05:27:48 | soap | The forums are down, they are on a separate server which suffers from time-to-time |
| 05:27:54 | oRLY | sorry about that, IE = internet explorer and FF = firefox |
| 05:28:02 | oRLY | ok thanks for the info |
| 05:28:07 | oRLY | i mean.. information |
| 05:28:11 | countrymonkey | Ok. Got it.You can ask here, though. |
| 05:28:23 | countrymonkey | info is fine. |
| 05:28:58 | countrymonkey | what we mean by abreviations is online chat. Abreviations used on the streets and everywhere else is fine. |
| 05:29:07 | oRLY | okay |
| 05:29:31 | oRLY | what do i need to learn to contribute to rockbox? |
| 05:29:42 | countrymonkey | in what fassion? |
| 05:30:00 | oRLY | i just want to help and learn |
| 05:30:18 | countrymonkey | Do you know C? |
| 05:30:24 | oRLY | i know c++ |
| 05:30:40 | countrymonkey | Rockbox is written in C. |
| 05:30:53 | oRLY | okay |
| 05:31:11 | countrymonkey | Do you know another language? That's a way to help. |
| 05:31:21 | oRLY | sorry.. i wouldn't ask these questions but the forums is down |
| 05:31:25 | oRLY | python? |
| 05:31:28 | oRLY | java? |
| 05:31:41 | countrymonkey | spoken written language, sorry. |
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| 05:32:13 | oRLY | oh.. i know other languages but i don't think im that skilled for translations, or other tasks.. |
| 05:32:25 | countrymonkey | What do you know? |
| 05:32:34 | oRLY | vietnamese and spanish.. |
| 05:32:43 | oRLY | but im not that confident |
| 05:33:00 | countrymonkey | vietnamese. Excellante. Do you know how to write it? |
| 05:33:10 | oRLY | sorry.. only speak |
| 05:33:37 | countrymonkey | Aw well. For a sec there I thought we had a vietnamese translator. I do the chinese file. |
| 05:33:44 | oRLY | ahh :) |
| 05:33:56 | oRLY | i should of taken those vietnamese classes.. |
| 05:34:14 | oRLY | well when the forums comes back ill look for a way to help |
| 05:34:21 | oRLY | see you guys later |
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| 05:34:35 | countrymonkey | The espanol.lang needs a bit of work though, why not go to www.rasher.dk/rockbox/translate and take care of that one? I just started learning spanish 2 weeks ago. |
| 05:34:46 | countrymonkey | aw well. |
| 05:39:31 | countrymonkey | I have never understood it, what is the difference between a .diff file and a .patch file? |
| 05:44:27 | PeterMitchell | countrymonkey: are the forums still down? |
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| 06:31:42 | Guest_303 | \nick |
| 06:32:13 | Guest_303 | hello rockbox |
| 06:33:39 | Guest_303 | can i play .avi files with rockbox and mplayer? |
| 06:34:04 | Guest_303 | what is the preferred video format? |
| 06:34:46 | Guest_303 | using sansa e280 here with current (dl'd today) version of rockbox |
| 06:37:56 | JdGordon | no |
| 06:38:01 | JdGordon | you can only watch moeg1/2 |
| 06:38:03 | JdGordon | mpeg |
| 06:39:17 | Guest_303 | thanks JdGordon, you have helped me to avoid swimming around in video format world |
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| 07:30:55 | Mouser_X | Ha. |
| 07:31:39 | PeterMitchell | what? these people aren't american, lol |
| 07:32:03 | * | Mouser_X is. |
| 07:32:16 | Mouser_X | But I suppose you're right for many of them. |
| 07:32:54 | PeterMitchell | yeah, and i assume im' going to get a warning about the topic of this channel in a sec..or 5-10 mins when they come back frm being idle |
| 07:33:57 | Mouser_X | It's night/very early in Europe. |
| 07:34:15 | Mouser_X | The channel pretty much dies from here until about sometime later. |
| 07:34:29 | Mouser_X | (Well, a little earlier than now, as you could tell.) |
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| 07:36:01 | PeterMitchell | its dead whenever im in here (from about 8 hours ago to about 8 hours time) |
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| 07:57:09 | JdGordon | almost 8am in sweden... but its also sunday morning so dont expect much activity for another 2 or 3 hours earliest |
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| 08:42:45 | amiconn | linuxstb: ping |
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| 10:11:15 | linuxstb | amiconn: pong |
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| 10:32:41 | amiconn | linuxstb: I think we need a way to link viewports, at least a pointer to the parent |
| 10:33:39 | amiconn | This would make it easier to stop scrolling lines if a parent viewport gets cleared |
| 10:34:37 | amiconn | Of course, if we only have a pointer to the parent, the scroll engine has to check each of the actively scrolling viewports, whether its parent (or parent-parent etc) is the one that gets cleared |
| 10:36:07 | Bagder | the forums seem... crazy |
| 10:36:32 | amiconn | hi Bagder |
| 10:36:57 | amiconn | I think we can now offer M3 builds for download |
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| 10:37:09 | Bagder | great! is there any small m3 pic available? |
| 10:37:27 | amiconn | Hmm, no SVG yet |
| 10:38:02 | amiconn | Also, should we only show the main unit, i.e. without the lcd remote? |
| 10:38:06 | Bagder | I meant using any source, as currently "m3" shows a rockbox logo |
| 10:38:16 | * | amiconn could scale down his scan |
| 10:39:00 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, I've been thinking about adding the concept of a parent. |
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| 10:41:20 | Bagder | gotta go again, back tonight |
| 10:42:21 | amiconn | Hmm, I now have a preliminary m3_small.png |
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| 10:52:57 | amiconn | linuxstb: With the new wps code, I have no WPS at all on my M3 now :( |
| 10:53:08 | amiconn | Just a statusbar on an empty screen.... |
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| 10:54:05 | * | amiconn does a full rebuild |
| 10:54:53 | * | linuxstb builds a M3 sim |
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| 10:59:04 | linuxstb | Sim seems fine... |
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| 11:01:04 | linuxstb | Both Cabbie and rockbox_default are fine. |
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| 11:08:32 | amiconn | A full rebuild fixed it |
| 11:08:46 | * | amiconn wonders what this dependency problem might be |
| 11:09:28 | linuxstb | It does seem odd... |
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| 11:11:21 | linuxstb | Would anyone object to me committing my WPS "bitmap strips" patch? Latest version is here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/wps_strips_v2.diff - and with it I can reduce Cabbiev2 down to 8 bitmaps (from about 35) |
| 11:13:23 | linuxstb | Sorry, I meant this one - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/wps_strips_v3.diff |
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| 12:35:12 | PeterMitchell | i see the forums are still down |
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| 12:47:10 | cool_walking_ | Are the forums down, or just having DNS problems again? |
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| 12:48:14 | cool_walking_ | and anyone know the forum IP? |
| 12:49:33 | PeterMitchell | i wish :( |
| 12:49:52 | PeterMitchell | if you find out, could you tell me please? |
| 12:51:14 | cool_walking_ | Well my PC says 72.29.70.124, but either their down, or that's not it. |
| 12:51:41 | PeterMitchell | yeah, i got that too when i did a lookup but i guess not |
| 12:51:44 | cool_walking_ | *they're |
| 12:52:45 | cool_walking_ | Google has a cached page for 72.29.70.124, and it's the forums. |
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| 13:20:37 | PaulJam | linuxstb: before you commit the wps_strips patch, there seems to be a little issue with normal images (%xl/%xd). i have an image in my WPS that is slightly corrupted (one or two wrong pixels) with your patch applied (doesn't happen with a clean uisim). unfortunately i don't have time right now to find out under what conditions this happens. |
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| 13:21:36 | linuxstb | PaulJam: I've found another problem, so I'm not committing yet... |
| 13:21:42 | DefineByte | the forum seems to be having some problems. |
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| 13:22:06 | DefineByte | I'm just getting a blank page. |
| 13:22:19 | PeterMitchell | been like that for more than 12 hours |
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| 13:22:30 | DefineByte | Oh, OK. |
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| 13:23:43 | PeterMitchell | on the same note, i wonder when it will be back up |
| 13:24:50 | DefineByte | Seems to be up and down like a yo-yo recently. |
| 13:25:02 | linuxstb | The right people know about it... |
| 13:25:46 | PeterMitchell | yeah, but hey, the right peopme knew about saddams WMDs for a long time before they did anything... (not implying anything) |
| 13:26:14 | DefineByte | I think they only 'knew' about them. |
| 13:26:47 | PeterMitchell | on another note, what time is it in belgium right now? |
| 13:27:07 | linuxstb | PeterMitchell: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ |
| 13:27:28 | PeterMitchell | :O why thankyou! |
| 13:28:24 | PeterMitchell | i'll have to bookmark that |
| 13:36:48 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: you round?> |
| 13:37:03 | DefineByte | Anyone know where I can find the snippet of code that controls line out volume? |
| 13:37:39 | JdGordon | global_settings.volume |
| 13:37:50 | DefineByte | Thank you. :) |
| 13:37:54 | JdGordon | and then setvol() |
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| 14:38:55 | linuxstb | pixelma: I'm assuming the %xdB should no longer be in cabbiev2.128x64x1.wps ? |
| 14:40:53 | pixelma | why? |
| 14:41:06 | pixelma | oh... misread |
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| 14:43:00 | pixelma | no it shouldn't, overlooked it there at the end |
| 14:44:10 | ukl | I guess this question is becoming annoying, but I really wonder - When choosing an media player (only needing music abilities) and having rockbox compatibility as one main concern (next to price and space), could you advise anyone in particular? |
| 14:44:28 | linuxstb | It depends... |
| 14:44:29 | ukl | like, the whole sansa series (v1)? (just my first impression, could be wrong) |
| 14:44:49 | pixelma | linuxstb: (and because I didn't expect something like %xl/%xd outside a conditional, I always used %x for that...) |
| 14:45:55 | pixelma | ukl: maybe the BuyersGuide page in the rockbox wiki could give you a good overview - it's always a question what features you want/don't want |
| 14:45:55 | linuxstb | ukl: There's a discussion on the forum which may help you, but the forums are unavailable at the moment... But this may help - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide |
| 14:46:06 | gevaerts | ukl: I seem to remember some people complaining about the sound quality on the sansas, but others seem to be happy with it |
| 14:46:46 | * | gevaerts mostly listens to 56kbps radio shows, so he doesn't have sound quality issues on any player |
| 14:46:51 | ukl | thanks a lot for your suggestions, will check the buyers guide and keep my eyes open :) |
| 14:47:41 | linuxstb | ukl: There's an offer on C200s at the moment (I see you're in the UK) - http://www.bigpockets.co.uk/product.php?lang=&product=SANDISK056 |
| 14:47:56 | linuxstb | Only 1GB, but expandable via MicroSD cards |
| 14:48:17 | linuxstb | (although there's a risk they are the V2 C200s, which won't work with Rockbox...) |
| 14:48:59 | ukl | from now on my stay here will only last for one week, unfortunately... |
| 14:49:08 | pixelma | linuxstb: are you converting cabbiev2 to using bitmap strips now? Just asking because I'm working on the greyscale graphics ATM |
| 14:49:35 | ukl | I saw a few sansa e280 on ebay when I looked for them, but noone ever states something about v1/v2... |
| 14:49:43 | linuxstb | pixelma: I've converted one (220x176x16) as a test, but it only takes 5 minutes, so no problem if you're changing things. |
| 14:50:33 | linuxstb | pixelma: But at the moment, I'm trying to track down an odd bug - the remote WPS on the H300 sim is getting corrupted, and I can't see why... |
| 14:50:37 | ukl | hmm that offer still seems nice. |
| 14:50:43 | linuxstb | (the %xdB makes no difference) |
| 14:50:54 | * | amiconn just found out an interesting detail about the iaudio remote lcd controller |
| 14:51:09 | gevaerts | ukl: the most reliable way to be sure is to ask the seller to look at the firmware version (I believe it's somewhere in the Settings menu on the OF). If it's 01.xx.xx, it's a v1, if it's 03.xx.xx, it's a v2 |
| 14:51:11 | linuxstb | ukl: Yes, as long as you don't live in Sweden... (75 UKP postage...) |
| 14:51:13 | pixelma | linuxstb: corrupted, how? |
| 14:51:35 | linuxstb | pixelma: I'm sure it's my wps_strips patch - there's a small rectangle being cleared in the top "Now Playing" bar. |
| 14:51:44 | ukl | I just recognized one of the buyers from bigpockets.co.uk left a comment |
| 14:51:45 | linuxstb | With clean SVN, it's fine. |
| 14:51:50 | amiconn | I did some initial research using test_scanrate.rock, and wondered why I didn't see the usual block moving slowly upwards or downwards |
| 14:51:50 | ukl | stating that rockbox works on it |
| 14:52:07 | amiconn | Took a while until I noticed that the panel is updated sideway.... |
| 14:52:10 | amiconn | +s |
| 14:52:20 | gevaerts | ukl: that doesn't guarantee that all their players are v1... |
| 14:52:43 | ukl | gevaerts: too bad, you're right. he could have been lucky (and I could still have bad luck) |
| 14:52:50 | linuxstb | ukl: Or that the buyer actually bought one - it could just be a general comment... |
| 14:52:55 | ukl | bigpockets is an online seller only, right? |
| 14:53:29 | linuxstb | I've now idea, but I would guess so. |
| 14:53:33 | linuxstb | s/now/no/ |
| 14:53:50 | * | moos didn't resisist to the temptation, and bought one of those for see, worth a try |
| 14:54:14 | * | BigBambi too |
| 14:54:19 | ukl | bigbambi, moos: has it arrived already? |
| 14:54:30 | BigBambi | no, only ordered yesterday |
| 14:54:36 | moos | ukl: just bought yesterday, sorry |
| 14:54:40 | pixelma | linuxstb: that sounds odd, indeed (assuming main WPS works fine) |
| 14:55:01 | BigBambi | and given friday to monday inclusive is easter weekend, I wouldn't expect it until end of next week at the earliest |
| 14:55:35 | ukl | hmm.... what would you think (I'm not familiar with Post services in UK) - when I order it now, will it arrive this week? (like, before next weekend?) |
| 14:55:56 | BigBambi | Post services are good, it depends more how long the store takes to ship it |
| 14:56:00 | moos | linuxstb, BigBambi: fortunatly for us french, they didn't charge too much, compared to Swedeen :) |
| 14:56:11 | ukl | the website says "same day" (might be tuesday, then) |
| 14:56:20 | BigBambi | moos: I ordered it to the UK, my parents are visiting soon :) |
| 14:56:29 | moos | hehe, lucky :) |
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| 14:56:39 | linuxstb | Does the C200 use a standard USB cable? |
| 14:57:11 | pixelma | unfortunately no |
| 14:57:15 | moos | I thought propriatary cable like e2xx, no? |
| 14:57:52 | * | linuxstb reads the DeviceChart... |
| 14:58:06 | pixelma | yes, might even be the same, but only someone with both can tell (or maybe Bagder/Zagor) |
| 14:58:26 | BigBambi | I'll tell you when the c240 turns up |
| 14:58:39 | linuxstb | Is it some kind of dock connector? (i.e. lots and lots of pins) |
| 14:58:43 | BigBambi | yep |
| 14:58:46 | desowin | sansa connect and e200 has the same, dunno about c200 |
| 14:58:55 | pixelma | yes, almost looks like an Ipod USB cable |
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| 15:01:16 | desowin | (well, it differs just by sandisk logo on it, but it might be european vs american thing, as my e200 is european and connect is american) |
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| 15:04:53 | pixelma | I meant the plug - the cable is not white and the plug does not have an apple on it ;) |
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| 15:58:55 | theclaw | hi |
| 15:59:13 | domonoky | ho |
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| 16:00:09 | theclaw | My sandisk sansa only has about ~50% of its initial battery capacity (after about half a year). Can this be the case? The battery didn't have more than 10 reload cycles |
| 16:00:25 | theclaw | Could it be the case that rockbox incorrectly reports the remaining battery? |
| 16:00:51 | domonoky | dont trust rockbox remaining time.. |
| 16:01:33 | domonoky | the only way to be sure about the runtime, is to charge up, let it play till its empty and measure the time.. |
| 16:02:00 | theclaw | Is this problem also present with the original firmware? |
| 16:02:33 | * | domonoky doesnt know anything about sansa OF .. |
| 16:03:38 | theclaw | hmm. |
| 16:04:48 | domonoky | how did you measure this "50%" ? |
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| 16:13:35 | theclaw | domonoky: rockbox shows this |
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| 16:16:12 | domonoky | so its probably only the wrong runtime in rockbox, and your battery is fine.. :-) |
| 16:18:14 | theclaw | hmm, and there's no way to get the real runtime (except for measuring it "by hand" of course). some notebooks for example can "recalibrate" the battery |
| 16:18:47 | theclaw | i thought of something like whether or not it would be helpful to completely discharge and recharge the battery of my sansa |
| 16:19:03 | theclaw | (afaik that's what the notebooks do) |
| 16:20:08 | bertrik | that's just bad for your battery, there's no circuit in the battery as far as I know, so there's nothing to recalibrate |
| 16:20:24 | domonoky | its possible to calibrate rockbox (with a measured discharge curve) so it shows the correct runtime, but this isnt done for the newer targets, as they are still in heavy development.. |
| 16:23:09 | theclaw | hmm.. okay, so thanks then, seems like I have to stick with the current situation |
| 16:23:34 | theclaw | not that bad at all, as even if the battery is demaged, it wouldn't be -that- expensive to buy a new one (about 10¤ btw.) |
| 16:25:07 | theclaw | but something -must- have changed with the battery, because as the player was new, rockbox showed that the battery was at 100% |
| 16:26:28 | gevaerts | theclaw: are you charging from within rockbox or from the OF ? |
| 16:26:36 | theclaw | from the OF |
| 16:27:36 | PeterMitchell | forums still down eh? |
| 16:27:38 | gevaerts | OK. Then that's not the problem at least (there are known issues with charging in rockbox) |
| 16:27:43 | bertrik | maybe USB doesn't deliver enough voltage, for example when it's behind an unpowered hub |
| 16:27:43 | domonoky | theclaw: you mean it charges only to 50% ? so the battery indicator never shows 100% ? |
| 16:28:01 | bertrik | (and/or a long cable) |
| 16:28:04 | * | gevaerts goes back to his jigsaw puzzle |
| 16:28:36 | theclaw | domonoky: yes, exactly. The battery indicator in the OF, as well as in rockbox. But the battery indicator in the OF seems to show a higher percentage. |
| 16:29:23 | theclaw | domonoky: it's not exactly 50% btw., I just loaded the battery and rockbox says 35% |
| 16:29:54 | theclaw | bertrik: the cable is about 1 meter long, and it's directly attached to the PC |
| 16:29:55 | bertrik | what's the battery voltage (visible in debug menu / battery)? |
| 16:30:04 | domonoky | this sounds really strange, the % should be correct in rockbox.. (the runtime estimate is false) |
| 16:30:37 | theclaw | bertrik: it says "Battery 3.777" |
| 16:31:14 | bertrik | hmm, quite low indeed, I think it should be > 4.0V just after charging |
| 16:32:01 | theclaw | the "remaining battery percent value" is directly derived from the voltage? |
| 16:32:22 | domonoky | jup |
| 16:32:23 | bertrik | yes, I think so |
| 16:33:52 | theclaw | hmm. That sounds like my battery is defective |
| 16:34:16 | PeterMitchell | just wondering, what kind of charge cycles have you been using? full or partial? |
| 16:34:44 | theclaw | As I got the player, I didn't fully discharge / recharge the battery (btw., it wasn't empty as I got the player) - could it be the case that this is the cause for the problem? |
| 16:35:05 | PeterMitchell | noper, full discharges kill lithium ion batties |
| 16:35:21 | theclaw | hm. |
| 16:35:58 | theclaw | PeterMitchell: the charge-cycles question: whenever I connect the player to the computer the battery is charged, so I guess partial |
| 16:36:19 | theclaw | PeterMitchell: maybe this information is quite old, like for NiCd-batterys or so |
| 16:36:35 | theclaw | (the fully-discharge/fully-recharge information) |
| 16:36:54 | PeterMitchell | ahh, ok, thats good, because if yyou let the player drain the battery flat then do full charges, this can quickly degrade its life (aka, half its life in 10 cycles) |
| 16:37:35 | PeterMitchell | hence why most devices always turn off before the battery is actually fltat ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_ion_battery#Guidelines_for_prolonging_Li-ion_battery_life |
| 16:38:53 | theclaw | 'but this is necessary after about every 30th recharge to recalibrate any external electronic "fuel gauge"' < so this is not the case for rockbox, as the battery doesn't have a circuit? |
| 16:39:24 | PeterMitchell | all lithium ion batteries have a circuit, its just integrated into the battery, not the device |
| 16:39:40 | PeterMitchell | without this circuit, the batteries explode due to overcharging |
| 16:39:47 | PeterMitchell | quite quickly too |
| 16:40:13 | bertrik | PeterMitchell: but that's a protection circuit, not a "fuel gauge", right? |
| 16:41:29 | bertrik | my sansa battery has only 3 connections, 2 for power and another for temperature I think |
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| 16:44:07 | PeterMitchell | yes and no, the circuit prevents things like overcharging, overheating, depletion and some other things, when the battery becomes too depleted (doesn't have the appropriate potential difference) the circuit stops the battery form providing charge, so the reaction inside the batry does not fully complete, so it is able to be recharged |
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| 16:44:42 | PeterMitchell | damn dcs |
| 16:45:04 | bertrik | yes and no? I'm pretty sure it's a no, there's no communication with the battery other than a voltage reading and a temperature reading. |
| 16:45:32 | PeterMitchell | most of the time its just a 2 pin connector, some fancy ones have a temp gague |
| 16:46:11 | PeterMitchell | the fuelgacue circuit is inside the bayyery itself, integrated into the protection one |
| 16:46:22 | PeterMitchell | *fuelgague |
| 16:47:10 | theclaw | but the battery doesn't report the fual gauge value to the CPU, right? |
| 16:47:18 | theclaw | *fuel |
| 16:47:41 | BigBambi | right |
| 16:47:48 | BigBambi | (I think!) |
| 16:47:57 | PeterMitchell | yeah |
| 16:48:26 | theclaw | whats the reason for a "fual gauge" in general, btw? Does the battery internally keep something like a "discharge curve"? |
| 16:48:28 | PeterMitchell | however, the fuelgage can sometimes lead the battery to not charge fully, hence needing the "reset charge" |
| 16:49:03 | bertrik | how do you know there's a fuel gauge present in the sansa battery? |
| 16:49:03 | PeterMitchell | its to prevent the batterys reaction from fully completing, because once it is, there is no way to reverse it |
| 16:49:23 | PeterMitchell | because all consumer lithuim ion batteries have them |
| 16:50:14 | bertrik | I don't believe that, can't the protection circuit just work with the voltage? |
| 16:51:31 | PeterMitchell | thats how the protection circuit and "fuelgague" work, as the ba\ttery is discharged the reaction becomes less efficient, leading to a lesser potential difference, the curve of this decrease shows the level of discharge |
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| 17:00:00 | PeterMitchell | it is hard to explain how it works but once it is understood it its quite simple, as the battery is discharged the protection circuit steps in and goes "this battery is flat, 0%" even though it is probably at 10-20%, this stops the reaction from compleing and allows the battery to be recharged, then it is charged to 100% or there about again the protection circuit and hopefully some software comes in and s |
| 17:00:13 | PeterMitchell | i hope that helps |
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| 17:01:31 | theclaw | PeterMitchell: as far as I understand it, bertrik wonders why the voltage alone isn't enough information for the protection circuit to protect the battery |
| 17:02:11 | theclaw | btw, does the term 'fual gauge' imply that it's more than just a voltage value? |
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| 17:04:17 | PeterMitchell | it uses voltage along with a preset curve for charge % vs voltage, because voltage of maximum an minimum charge change throughout the life of the battery |
| 17:04:37 | theclaw | okay |
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| 17:05:25 | PeterMitchell | i helped my son with a chem assignment on batteries about 3 months ago lol |
| 17:05:39 | PeterMitchell | thats how i learnt what i did |
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| 17:09:46 | jac0b | what is the pastebin address |
| 17:10:09 | bertrik | sorry, I still don't believe it and don't understand why the battery would contain a complicated fuel gauge while it can protect the battery based on voltage and temperature alone. Maybe for laptops but not for a simple media player. I'll believe it when I see it. |
| 17:10:44 | PeterMitchell | its not complicated, only the theory behind it is |
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| 17:15:06 | PeterMitchell | hmm, forums still aren't up yet |
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| 17:18:23 | jac0b | i am trying to build a sim with rockbock-bleeding but I get this error http://pastebin.com/d490dae8b |
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| 17:19:51 | soap | PeterMitchell, your information is incorrect on the simple batteries used in DAPs. Maybe on laptops, but the circuit on the DAP batteries is a simple low-voltage cutoff. |
| 17:20:01 | soap | no internal discharge curve, no nothing. |
| 17:21:19 | soap | if theclaw's player is showing 50% (the number based on battery voltage and not a calced runtime figure) his battery is at 50% voltage. |
| 17:21:39 | domonoky | jac0b: your are using the tarball ? |
| 17:21:59 | soap | if after charging through original firmware for a long-enough period of time (long enough depends on amperage supplied by USB port) then his battery is dead. |
| 17:23:32 | soap | FWIW, my E200 battery lost capacity much faster than my iPod Video or Nano. |
| 17:23:38 | PeterMitchell | hmm, well, from my understanding it was on most consumer devices (we pulled apart a mobilephone batetry and a laptop battery for examples) |
| 17:23:39 | soap | much faster. |
| 17:23:58 | PeterMitchell | mybad |
| 17:24:34 | soap | oh, there is a circuit in end-user consumer batteries. In most cases it is simply an undervoltage and over charge protection circuit. |
| 17:25:08 | soap | I don't know where, outside the radio-control vehicle market, you can buy naked cells w/o physical and electrical protection. |
| 17:27:58 | PeterMitchell | thes e ones had more then overcharge and undervoltage, im pretty sure because they (wiht the aid of a 3rd party powersupply) charged quite oddly in experimentaton, and, where would i be able to buy some of these "unprotected" lithium ion batteries? |
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| 17:32:33 | theclaw | soap: thats really weird than. As said, only about 10 reload cycles. Maybe my sansa (also an e200, btw) was used before |
| 17:32:41 | theclaw | *then |
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| 17:35:13 | gletob13 | hello |
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| 17:37:48 | bertrik | theclaw: did it get hot at any time? or did you store the player in a hot place? |
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| 17:38:34 | kugel | soap: my e200 lost no capacity yet, at least it doesn |
| 17:38:45 | bertrik | if you charge it in the OF, does the OF give an indication that it is indeed fully charged? |
| 17:38:46 | kugel | 't feel so |
| 17:47:27 | soap | purely talking out of my ass here, but a device which only uses one battery shouldn't need a discharge curve internal to the battery. A device like a laptop which might have a variety of batteries plugged into it, and a variety of operating systems on it could benefit from a hardware discharge curve. Also, a device like and iPod which does not show estimated runtime, only battery percentage (which is just voltage) doesn't need a discharge curve. |
| 17:47:47 | soap | </ass> |
| 17:48:24 | saratoga | i don't think theres any circuitry built into Sansa battery |
| 17:48:34 | saratoga | at least theres no need, the AS chip provides everything thats needed |
| 17:49:19 | saratoga | and since there is no data connection to the battery, whatever circuitry in there would be unable to communicate or influence the outside world beyond turning on or off the battery, which is not particularly useful when the AS chip already handles that |
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| 17:50:05 | jac0b | domonoky: yep |
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| 17:51:30 | jac0b | domonoky: have tryed building from source |
| 17:51:57 | bertrik | Is there any particular reason why I can't exit the battery debug menu using the 'left' button (only menu/poweroff button works)? All other debug menus can be exited with the left button. |
| 17:52:08 | bertrik | If there isn't, I won't mind trying to fix that. |
| 17:52:48 | saratoga | probably just a bug in the code |
| 17:53:58 | PaulJam | linuxstb: are you here? |
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| 17:56:06 | jac0b | I can build a sim with svn but not with rockbox-bleeding |
| 17:56:37 | Nivekian | Hello, I have a question.... |
| 17:56:44 | jac0b | is there something wrong with rb-bleeding |
| 17:57:05 | krazykit | Nivekian, we can't answer it if you don't ask, you know :) |
| 17:57:42 | Nivekian | I have an ipod that's full of unreadable files... how do I get rid of them |
| 17:57:44 | Nivekian | ? |
| 17:58:17 | krazykit | what kind of files, specifically? can't you just delete them? |
| 17:59:09 | bertrik | What is rockbox-bleeding? I thought rockbox didn't come any more bleeding edge than the version in subversion. |
| 17:59:29 | bertrik | (not any less either :P ) |
| 17:59:46 | Nivekian | itunes says that I have 18g of files but it can't read them |
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| 18:00:05 | Nivekian | Is there another program that works better than apple junk? |
| 18:00:27 | krazykit | Nivekian, did you add files via explorer at all? it may be unsupported by the apple firmware. |
| 18:00:30 | jac0b | bertrik: that is the version you cna d/l from the current build page |
| 18:01:03 | Nivekian | I actually found the ipod in the trash.. so I don't know how the files got there |
| 18:01:20 | krazykit | Nivekian, ah. why not just delete everything on the disk and restore it? |
| 18:01:29 | krazykit | then rockbox it ;) |
| 18:01:43 | saratoga | just mount the ipod and delete the files you don't want |
| 18:01:47 | Nivekian | That's what I was thinkin' of doin' |
| 18:02:22 | Nivekian | Thought I'd come here... I can be a little dence :P |
| 18:03:32 | jac0b | does anyone know what happened to the froums |
| 18:03:43 | jac0b | forums* |
| 18:03:44 | gevaerts | jac0b: we hope so ;) |
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| 18:06:12 | Nivekian | Thanks folks |
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| 18:07:13 | theclaw | bertrik: I don't remember, if it was, at most as warm as a hand / No |
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| 18:32:04 | * | pixelma just saw a weird effect on a Mini running a Rockbox USB enabled build... |
| 18:32:58 | pixelma | had it in charging mode (held menu while connecting) and listened to some music, when I unplugged USB Rockbox paused the music |
| 18:33:45 | gevaerts | That's interesting |
| 18:34:21 | pixelma | it was connected to a laptop with USB 1.1 ports, in case that matters |
| 18:35:12 | gevaerts | it shouldn't. Is this with r16752 or later (that's the most recent usb-related commit) ? |
| 18:36:32 | pixelma | it's an older build (r16665) - I should test a more recent one before commenting (sorry) |
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| 18:37:53 | gevaerts | Not that old... Is it reproducible on r16665 ? |
| 18:39:04 | pixelma | yes |
| 18:40:12 | gevaerts | OK. I'll try to reproduce it here |
| 18:40:28 | * | gevaerts abandons his jigsaw puzzle and gets to work |
| 18:44:09 | * | bertrik fixed the battery debug menu exit problem, but doesn't quite understand why the original code didn't work |
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| 18:46:49 | * | gevaerts is now copying some actual audio files to his sansa. Those will be needed to reproduce this bug... |
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| 19:08:12 | gevaerts | pixelma: I tried to reproduce this on my ipod video and my sansa c250, and both work fine, with r16665 and r16762. The USB controller on my laptop is 2.0, but I really don't see how that can make a difference (I used full-speed builds, i.e. no -DUSE_HIGH_SPEED) |
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| 19:09:29 | pixelma | I think this build uses highspeed but I already prepared a new one (with highspeed again and will try again) |
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| 19:10:13 | pixelma | WinXP SP2 btw. if that could make a difference... |
| 19:11:58 | gevaerts | it shouldn't, but then from my reading of the code this bug shouldn't happen at all, so... |
| 19:15:30 | pixelma | I could just reproduce it with r16762 |
| 19:16:59 | linuxstb | PaulJam: I'm here now |
| 19:19:11 | gevaerts | The only way I see this could happen is if for some reason the unplugging is bouncy. Could you try a different port (or does the laptop only have one) ? |
| 19:19:54 | pixelma | could try the second one but that's it then. One moment... |
| 19:19:57 | PaulJam | linuxstb: hi, i have been experimenting with the image corruption i saw (2 black pixels in the first image of the WPS) and i think they are caused by the %P|| tag. (the corruption of the rwps that you saw seems to be related to that.) |
| 19:21:56 | linuxstb | PaulJam: Yes, I found the same (just before I left earlier today). I'm glad your bug appears to be the same... |
| 19:22:12 | pixelma | gevaerts: using the other port makes no difference but I could go try another computer here... |
| 19:22:57 | linuxstb | PaulJam: Any idea how to fix it though? I've not been able to spot it... |
| 19:23:13 | gevaerts | pixelma: could you try to hold menu while unplugging ? If it works properly then that would at least partially confirm my theory |
| 19:23:32 | PaulJam | linuxstb:btw, i'm not sure if it is related to your patch, but i saw some weird console output in the uisim where it tries to load random parts of the wps file as bitmaps. |
| 19:23:35 | pixelma | gevaerts: same happens on a different laptop... sure |
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| 19:24:13 | PaulJam | linuxstb: sorry, i haven't looked at the sourcecode at all. |
| 19:24:51 | linuxstb | PaulJam: I committed a fix for that to SVN today - have you updated? |
| 19:25:05 | pixelma | gevaerts: holding menu during unplug makes no difference either |
| 19:25:30 | PaulJam | oh, i think i didn't. sorry. |
| 19:25:59 | * | gevaerts decides he doesn't understand this bug. More thinking is needed |
| 19:26:49 | ukl | So, just to get it right, with a Sansa c250 v1 + a (sdhc) memory card, I cannot use the player plugged into the usb port as a usb mass storage; and there might be issues charging it when rockbox is running. Can't I charge it without a running software? |
| 19:28:54 | gevaerts | ukl: the "charging issues" mostly are that it doesn't charge to 100%, but stops somewhere between 70% and 80% (in my experience). You can boot into the OF for full charging and usb storage (but no sdhc there, only sd) |
| 19:29:20 | ukl | ok. |
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| 19:29:49 | gevaerts | ukl: if you feel adventurous and compile your own build, you can also get mass storage in rockbox, but it might still be buggy and/or cause data corruption. |
| 19:29:51 | ukl | how much is 4gb of SDHC at the moment? approximately? |
| 19:29:53 | bertrik | it charges with 50 mA and stops at 3.9V |
| 19:30:16 | * | ukl is still thinking about getting this c250 from bigpockets |
| 19:31:24 | ukl | 19 $ cheapest... ok. |
| 19:32:00 | ukl | I think I'll get this sansa thing. if noone else knows a more affordable/reasonable rockbox-compatible player? |
| 19:32:40 | bertrik | Isn't there a c200 V2 version that is incompatible with rockbox? |
| 19:33:02 | ukl | yes, there is...it's a bit risky |
| 19:33:27 | ukl | but one of the commenters advised using rockbox one it, it might be a matter of luck to get the right one from bigpockets |
| 19:35:01 | gevaerts | pixelma: does the same thing happen on a non-usb build ? |
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| 19:40:43 | linuxstb | PaulJam: I think I found it (it fixed my problem at least) - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/wps_strips_v4.diff |
| 19:41:05 | PaulJam | thanks, i'll test |
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| 19:45:24 | PaulJam | linuxstb: yes, that fixes the issue i saw too. |
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| 19:47:30 | linuxstb | PaulJam: Good, thanks. |
| 19:48:10 | pixelma | gevaerts: will try |
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| 19:53:36 | reformed | hey guys, I was wondering whether it is possible to have rockbox, ipodlinux, and the original firmware and switch between the three |
| 19:54:53 | linuxstb | yes |
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| 20:01:12 | reformed | kthx |
| 20:05:19 | ukl | btw, the forum seems to be back up |
| 20:05:47 | ukl | wasn't there some discussion about sansas I should look for? |
| 20:06:42 | linuxstb | ukl: I was thinking of this thread - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15633.0 |
| 20:07:04 | ukl | thanks a lot for this fast reaction :) |
| 20:07:23 | gevaerts | ukl: I think you hadn't settled for the sansa back then |
| 20:08:02 | ukl | well, I haven't really settled yet... |
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| 20:12:26 | ukl | anyway, iriver = too expensive |
| 20:13:31 | gevaerts | Nothing will beat that sansa offer. If you don't need recording. the gigabeat F is quite nice |
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| 20:14:05 | reformed | how do i switch between ipodlinux and rockbox and the original firmware on an ipod? |
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| 20:14:33 | gevaerts | reformed: I believe you need the ipodlinux bootloader for that. |
| 20:15:22 | linuxstb | reformed: Just install ipodlinux according to their instructions. If you then download and unzip a "rockbox.zip" file for your ipod to the FAT32 partition on your ipod, the ipodlinux bootloader should detect it and give you an option for it. |
| 20:15:34 | reformed | okay |
| 20:15:36 | reformed | thanks |
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| 20:25:48 | amiconn | gevaerts: You don't need the ipl bootloader. The rockbox bootloader can also boot ipl |
| 20:26:17 | amiconn | Just put the kernel on the fat32 partition. Then hold Play during boot |
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| 20:30:20 | pixelma | gevaerts: this bug is reproducible with a plain SVN build (r16762 too) |
| 20:31:38 | gevaerts | Thanks. I still have no clue on its cause unfortunately |
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| 20:32:33 | * | linuxstb couldn't resist any more, and ordered a c240 |
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| 20:55:13 | BigBambi | Can someone close this? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8780 It's existence is annoying me. |
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| 20:56:44 | Llorean | consider it done |
| 20:57:07 | BigBambi | Llorean: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8791 and this one whilst you are at it :) |
| 20:57:09 | BigBambi | Cheers |
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| 20:58:15 | Llorean | BigBambi: I was already in the process of closing it while you asked. |
| 20:58:21 | BigBambi | hehe :) |
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| 20:58:41 | Nico_P | the last comment in FS #8780 makes me want to be viloent |
| 20:58:45 | Nico_P | *violent |
| 20:59:02 | linuxstb | He just seems like a troll to me... |
| 20:59:12 | BigBambi | Yep - see http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2613#comment22604 |
| 20:59:24 | BigBambi | Nico_P: Yes, it got to me too |
| 20:59:36 | Thundercloud_ | Oooh what's going on? Got a link for that? |
| 20:59:58 | BigBambi | Thundercloud: I posted it about then lines ago |
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| 21:00:07 | Thundercloud_ | Ah |
| 21:00:13 | Thundercloud_ | It was the last thing I received before I timed out |
| 21:00:14 | Thundercloud_ | cool |
| 21:00:15 | BigBambi | s/then/ten |
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| 21:09:52 | BigBambi | Bagder: Manuals seem to be missing from http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
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| 21:18:06 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Around? |
| 21:18:09 | Nico_P | yes |
| 21:19:15 | linuxstb | I'm thinking about committing my wps bitmap-strips patch - it seems to be working fine now. |
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| 21:19:28 | Nico_P | nice! |
| 21:19:47 | crzyboyster | What does everyone think of posting up the unicode versions of cabbiev2 on the wiki extras page? |
| 21:19:48 | Nico_P | I'd say go ahead |
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| 21:21:11 | crzyboyster | So there are no plans of including it in the official builds? |
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| 21:21:58 | crzyboyster | And the M3 is now a supported target??? |
| 21:22:32 | linuxstb | No, but it doesn't seem that far away... Targets are supported when they appear on the current builds download page. |
| 21:23:10 | * | linuxstb takes that back - he didn't notice... |
| 21:23:13 | crzyboyster | Yeah, it's on that page and on the front page for supported players... that was fast! |
| 21:23:14 | domonok1 | linuxstb: it is on the build pake |
| 21:23:20 | domonok1 | :-) |
| 21:24:44 | crzyboyster | What should the page for the unicode versions of cabbiev2 be called? |
| 21:25:01 | crzyboyster | CabbieUnifont? |
| 21:25:54 | gevaerts | UniCabbie ? |
| 21:26:00 | Llorean | crzyboyster: Traditionally, themes do not get their own wiki page. |
| 21:26:24 | crzyboyster | Yes,, but for the extras page and the unifont version of cabbiev2 would be an exception? |
| 21:26:36 | crzyboyster | And that's how all the other extras are done... |
| 21:26:51 | crzyboyster | But I could just make a table on the extras page... |
| 21:27:03 | Llorean | Why not juts wait and see if you can get it in SVN. |
| 21:27:29 | Llorean | People shouldn't have to look in more than one place for themes. |
| 21:28:10 | * | domonok1 still awaits the new themes.rockbox.org page.. :-) |
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| 21:28:32 | crzyboyster | True. But rockbox should have a way to make a .cfg file (cabbiev2unifont.cfg, for example) to link up to a wps file (cabbiev2unifont.wps) that links up to the original cabbiev2 images folder so that the images wouldn't have to be repeated. |
| 21:29:07 | Llorean | Then create a way. |
| 21:29:14 | crzyboyster | Feature request? |
| 21:29:26 | Nico_P | patch |
| 21:29:50 | saratoga | the easiest thing to do would be to just have a download link for the unifont version and left people install it like a normal font |
| 21:30:01 | Llorean | I don't see why we can't duplicate the images. In fact, I don't see why it's mandatory at all that a unifont variant of the theme use the same images. |
| 21:30:10 | Llorean | I'd expect it should be adapted to the differing font size anyway |
| 21:30:35 | saratoga | Llorean: packing both themes greatly increased zip size |
| 21:30:43 | saratoga | because of the enormous unicode fonts |
| 21:30:51 | crzyboyster | Well, we have unifont versions ready to go with the same images and viewports allow us to just need a different .cfg and .wps file and all else would be the same... |
| 21:31:06 | saratoga | that was the main reason i was opposed to adding both to SVN |
| 21:31:38 | crzyboyster | Extras page seems to be the way to go (atleast in my opinion) |
| 21:31:38 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Committed... |
| 21:31:42 | Llorean | saratoga: Then we put it in the gallery. |
| 21:31:43 | Nico_P | :) |
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| 21:32:07 | saratoga | Llorean: yes that would be fine with me, though it might be nice to put a note on the download page or something informing people that its available |
| 21:32:09 | Nico_P | linuxstb: something tells me you're making a lot of WPS makers happy these days |
| 21:32:10 | crzyboyster | And link to that from the Extras page? |
| 21:32:11 | Llorean | crzyboyster: Again, people shouldn't have to look in two places for themes. |
| 21:32:12 | linuxstb | Anyone know the status of the new rockbox-themes site? |
| 21:32:34 | Llorean | There's already a link to the theme gallery on the extras page... |
| 21:32:36 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I'm just trying to tempt people back to official builds... |
| 21:32:53 | Llorean | Nico_P: People are still reporting sluggish performance due to one of your commits |
| 21:33:04 | Llorean | The one that unified the buffer callbacks, iirc. |
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| 21:33:12 | Nico_P | linuxstb: what do officials builds have more now? just multifont? |
| 21:33:24 | Nico_P | Llorean: that one actually wasn't mine |
| 21:33:24 | crzyboyster | Llorean: I mean, we could post the themes on the rockbox-themes.org site, wps gallery and link to the wps gallery from the extras page... |
| 21:33:47 | Llorean | Nico_P: Hm, lemme go check the revision number then. I thought it was one of yours, so maybe I'm miscommunicating |
| 21:34:02 | Llorean | crzyboyster: The WPS gallers is already linked there. |
| 21:34:05 | Llorean | gallery |
| 21:34:08 | DefineByte | r15816 |
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| 21:34:38 | Nico_P | oh, that one? |
| 21:34:40 | Nico_P | damn |
| 21:34:41 | Llorean | Yup |
| 21:34:49 | crzyboyster | Allright. I'm going to start compiling all of the latest version of cabbiev2 unifont and testing them all out. Then, I will post to the wps gallery. |
| 21:34:55 | saratoga | i think bmp resize is also popular in unofficial builds |
| 21:34:56 | Llorean | Nico_P: Related thread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15647.15 |
| 21:35:15 | disorganizer | bmp-resize and multifont are the most used features for themes. |
| 21:35:20 | soap | what is the difference between cabbiev2 unifont and stock cabbiev2? |
| 21:35:24 | Llorean | saratoga: Yes, BMP resize and multifont are the big two I think. |
| 21:35:29 | disorganizer | if both are in the official, most of the themes which need patches will work |
| 21:35:36 | Llorean | soap: Stock one uses helvR10 and similar fonts. |
| 21:35:55 | soap | right - kind of my point Llorean. ;) Isn't the only difference the font?? |
| 21:35:58 | Llorean | You get a LOT less information onscreen (for most targets) with Unifont, because frankly, it's giant. |
| 21:36:19 | Llorean | At least, by *my* font standards. It's "about average" I think for what people generally use |
| 21:36:23 | soap | is there not a possibility of a 10/12 point unicode font? |
| 21:36:33 | * | disorganizer still misses a clearly readable font like sysfixed, but with full char-support |
| 21:36:36 | soap | Or do some of the glyphs become indistinguishable? |
| 21:36:38 | Llorean | soap: 6x12+13 |
| 21:36:56 | Llorean | If I recall correctly, it covers an awful lot of glyphs for its size |
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| 21:37:35 | soap | I guess my question is - why is the unicode vs stock thing such a big deal requiring its own wiki page if the only needed difference is a tweaked unicode font of smaller height? |
| 21:38:24 | crzyboyster | And a new .wps file. |
| 21:39:01 | soap | why? |
| 21:39:06 | soap | That is what I don't get. |
| 21:39:12 | saratoga | i don't think it needs its own wiki page, but I do think the downloads page should say "if you need non-western characters, download and install this as well: [link]" |
| 21:39:45 | crzyboyster | I am going to put them up on the WPS gallery pages. |
| 21:39:56 | soap | You could even be noob-friendly and make a drop-in replacement font by the same name as the stock font. |
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| 21:40:46 | disorganizer | in fact this would be the same method most programs handle it. the non-western fonts are optional to install |
| 21:40:55 | crzyboyster | How about like on the daily builds pages, like it says fonts for download under each target, we could squeeze in a cabbiev2 unifont install. |
| 21:41:57 | linuxstb | Can't we just include the theme in SVN, but don't include the font in the "no fonts" .zip file? |
| 21:42:10 | linuxstb | The other themes in SVN need fonts from the fonts.zip file |
| 21:42:14 | Llorean | linuxstb: I was about to say the same thing. |
| 21:44:17 | crzyboyster | But we would still have an extra wps folder with the same exact images (useless, in my opinion) |
| 21:45:21 | Llorean | Then write a patch to solve the problem. |
| 21:45:41 | Llorean | Sometimes the simplest solution is best. We have plenty of disk space. |
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| 21:46:20 | linuxstb | cabbiev2 just needs 8 bitmaps now anyway... |
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| 21:47:15 | Llorean | linuxstb: But you didn't decrease the size of those bitmaps much (just a few less headers), right? ;) |
| 21:47:28 | crzyboyster | linuxstb: How? |
| 21:47:31 | linuxstb | 1 bmp = 1 disk cluster... |
| 21:47:45 | crzyboyster | Disk cluster = ? |
| 21:47:54 | linuxstb | crzyboyster: Check the latest commit |
| 21:47:55 | Llorean | Ah, that's true. |
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| 21:48:20 | crzyboyster | So cabbiev2 will be using these soon? |
| 21:48:57 | linuxstb | Yes, I'll look at that now, although I'll just do the colour versions tonight, pixelma said she was working on the others. |
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| 21:50:01 | linuxstb | Wow, 374 bitmaps in SVN for cabbiev2... |
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| 21:51:59 | * | linuxstb wonders why there are duplicate bmps - e.g. vol0-132x80x16.bmp, vol0-160x128x16.bmp and vol0-176x132x16.bmp are the same |
| 21:52:38 | Llorean | linuxstb: Build system limitations? |
| 21:52:44 | linuxstb | Not afaik |
| 21:53:15 | saratoga | buildwps.pl probably expects a bmp named after the screen resolution |
| 21:54:10 | linuxstb | I thought it read the .wps file and copied the bmps referenced in it? |
| 21:55:02 | saratoga | no the build script doesn't even look at the wps files |
| 21:55:07 | soap | if buildwps.pl expects the precisely named files could you symlink? |
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| 21:55:22 | linuxstb | Ah no, seems it doesn't... That was my patch for creating a tar file from the images in a wps |
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| 21:55:32 | linuxstb | Seems that should be fixed. |
| 21:55:33 | saratoga | tar would be nice |
| 21:56:00 | linuxstb | It didn't seem to gain anything, and just made the process more complex for theme designers. |
| 21:56:44 | saratoga | tar for svn included themes would be nice, though i agree its not useful for optional themes |
| 21:56:58 | saratoga | it would speed up copying builds at least |
| 21:57:15 | linuxstb | As I said, cabbiev2 just needs 8 bitmaps now, so it's not a huge gain |
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| 22:00:33 | linuxstb | saratoga: But there's a patch on flyspray if you want to experiment with it... |
| 22:01:18 | saratoga | linuxstb: I see 34 bmps in the zip |
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| 22:02:36 | linuxstb | saratoga: I said _needs_, not _has_... I'm referring to my latest commit to enable bitmap strips to be used. When cabbiev2 is converted, it will have 8 bmps. |
| 22:02:56 | saratoga | ah just checked the svn logs |
| 22:03:08 | saratoga | i think that is a fine solution |
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| 22:06:54 | austrian_guest | Sorry to interrupt your conversation, but is there any way in rockbox to use the '%f' tag? |
| 22:07:44 | linuxstb | What do you mean? |
| 22:08:08 | linuxstb | In printf? |
| 22:09:32 | austrian_guest | yes |
| 22:09:39 | austrian_guest | actually, in snprintf |
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| 22:11:09 | * | domonok1 thinks %f isnt supported in rockbox snprintf, because you shouldnt use float or double :-) |
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| 22:22:41 | * | disorganizer wonders whats more efficient memory/diskaccess wise: bmpstrip or seperate bmp's. or whether there is a difference at all |
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| 22:24:00 | kakazza | Hi, I read and searced through the manual of my ipod mini 2nd gen. But I can't find an option to activate Disk Mode, so my iPod gets detected as an USB mass storage device :/ |
| 22:24:13 | kakazza | All it does is showing the USB connector symbol |
| 22:24:20 | linuxstb | disorganizer: memory-wise there is no difference, but it saves disk space, and it speeds up loading. |
| 22:25:27 | disorganizer | ok. so there is no urgent need to convert wps's. :-) |
| 22:27:32 | gevaerts | kakazza: which version are you using ? |
| 22:27:57 | kakazza | Latest I guess, using Rockbox Utility |
| 22:28:19 | BigBambi | Latest when? |
| 22:28:22 | kakazza | Problem is that I also don't know how to properly disconnect it since it doesn't even properly connect |
| 22:28:26 | BigBambi | Rockbox is updated many times per day |
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| 22:28:46 | BigBambi | kakazza: Could you look up the version is menu - system - rockbox info |
| 22:28:53 | BigBambi | s/is/in |
| 22:29:03 | kakazza | r16783-080323 |
| 22:29:17 | * | BigBambi hands back to gevaerts |
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| 22:30:49 | gevaerts | kakazza: I guess you mean 16763 :) r16783 will be sometime next week. Anyway, it's supposed to reboot to the ipod's Emergency Disk Mode, which is apparently not happening for yoy |
| 22:30:54 | gevaerts | s/yoy/you/ |
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| 22:32:01 | BigBambi | kakazza: Rockbox on the iPod doesn't yet have a USB mode, it should auto reboot to the Apple emergency disk mode as gevaerts said. As this isn't happening, you can either do this manually or use the OF |
| 22:32:22 | * | gevaerts wonders what's happening on the mini 2nd gen today. First pixelma reports this weir problem, and now this... |
| 22:32:31 | * | gevaerts can't type today |
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| 22:33:20 | kakazza | OF? |
| 22:33:34 | DefineByte | original firmware |
| 22:33:44 | kakazza | Ah, ok |
| 22:33:53 | kakazza | Now to read the manual on how to dual boot, heh |
| 22:36:17 | kakazza | How long should it take until rockbox says "loading original firmware"? I pressed "Menu" to boot and then turned on "Hold" now I got an Apple apple :x |
| 22:36:45 | BigBambi | Should be quick |
| 22:36:51 | BigBambi | It sticks at the apple logo? |
| 22:36:55 | kakazza | Yep |
| 22:37:05 | kakazza | Backlight flashes every uh... 30 seconds I guess |
| 22:37:10 | BigBambi | weird |
| 22:37:22 | BigBambi | So you turned on hold when the Apple logo appeared? |
| 22:37:33 | kakazza | Yep |
| 22:37:50 | kakazza | Ah, it now booted into rockbox. Missed the message, doh |
| 22:37:51 | BigBambi | Could you try again just to be sure? |
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| 22:37:59 | * | gevaerts hands back to BigBambi ;) |
| 22:38:03 | BigBambi | haha |
| 22:38:15 | BigBambi | gevaerts: At least you own an iPod unlike me |
| 22:39:00 | kakazza | Sure |
| 22:39:11 | gevaerts | BigBambi: I didn't read the manual ;) |
| 22:39:33 | BigBambi | gevaerts: go to the corner and think about what you have('nt) done |
| 22:39:41 | kakazza | How quick should I turn on "Hold"? |
| 22:39:55 | BigBambi | kakazza: As I understand it, as soon as the apple logo appears |
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| 22:39:56 | kakazza | I do it pretty quickly |
| 22:40:06 | kakazza | Ok, now to wait another 3 minutes :x |
| 22:40:12 | * | gevaerts stands in the corner |
| 22:40:12 | BigBambi | too late and it will still boot into rockbox but clear the settings |
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| 22:41:20 | kakazza | I see, it takes *forever* but boots into rockbox when I turn Hold off again |
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| 22:41:38 | BigBambi | kakazza: That is odd |
| 22:42:31 | BigBambi | kakazza: Does hold work normally in rockbox? |
| 22:44:00 | kakazza | perfectly |
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| 22:46:13 | BigBambi | kakazza: Do you have lots of music on the iPod, or itunes on your PC? i.e. would restoring the OF then reinstalling the rockbox bootloader be a major hassle? If not we can try that, if so you should wait until someone who knows more about iPods than me comes along. |
| 22:46:47 | austrian_guest | Hi again ;) Does anyone with some spare time want to try my instrument tuner plugin and tell me if it works / how good it works / if it's utter crap etc. ? |
| 22:47:19 | desowin | it works on sansa built-in mic? |
| 22:47:30 | austrian_guest | I think so |
| 22:47:47 | austrian_guest | it should work on any player with built-in mic.. |
| 22:47:48 | desowin | (I use digitech to tune my guitar, but I could check if it works) |
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| 22:48:27 | austrian_guest | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8768 |
| 22:48:42 | austrian_guest | there you can get the newest version |
| 22:49:16 | amiconn | Bagder: ping |
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| 22:49:23 | austrian_guest | It works quite well on my X5, provided the note played is loud enough... |
| 22:49:52 | kakazza | BigBambi, I could do that. Not happy with it, since I just adjusted the settings, but ok. |
| 22:49:54 | gevaerts | amiconn: can you try some time if your ipod mini still reboots properly on usb plugin with a recent official build ? |
| 22:50:08 | BigBambi | kakazza: You can save the settings before you do it |
| 22:50:11 | kakazza | Wait, it just booted properly, lol |
| 22:50:17 | BigBambi | The OF? |
| 22:50:18 | kakazza | I guess I was TOO quick with the hold button |
| 22:50:20 | kakazza | Yes |
| 22:50:23 | BigBambi | cool |
| 22:50:27 | BigBambi | Glad to hear it |
| 22:50:51 | Massa_ | Hi everybody! |
| 22:50:53 | amiconn | gevaerts: It doesn't. pixelma tested it a few hours ago (when checking the strange "pause on usb unplug" bug) |
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| 22:51:15 | amiconn | linuxstb: There seems to be a bug that might be related to viewports in wps: |
| 22:52:16 | amiconn | On ipod mini, replacing the rockbox_default wps with the cabbiev2 theme works, but when going back, parts of the wps stay... |
| 22:52:23 | amiconn | A reboot fixes that |
| 22:52:51 | amiconn | To be precise, graphics are removed, but the text lines are kept, including their alignment (centered) |
| 22:53:20 | linuxstb | Is that with the very latest SVN? |
| 22:53:49 | amiconn | no, without the bitmap strip stuff |
| 22:54:01 | linuxstb | But after my fix to clear the bitmap filenames? |
| 22:54:04 | kakazza | Awesome |
| 22:54:27 | linuxstb | I'll have a look anyway... |
| 22:54:29 | desowin | austrian_guest: either it doesn't like my warlock-shaped guitar or it doesn't work with e200, it stays stalled at "D: -32 cents (0Hz)" |
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| 22:54:44 | kakazza | I've got a question tho, when using Rockbox Utility, should I boot in rockbox or OF? (in rockbox, there is no proper way to disconnect it, no?) |
| 22:54:54 | amiconn | linuxstb: yes |
| 22:54:58 | amiconn | I'll retry |
| 22:55:02 | BigBambi | kakazza: There is no way to connect it either in rockbox at the moment |
| 22:55:09 | austrian_guest | desowin: you did use the mic, not the line in? |
| 22:55:19 | kakazza | BigBambi, so what is my best option? |
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| 22:55:22 | linuxstb | amiconn: I'll see if I can recreate in the sim |
| 22:55:45 | BigBambi | kakazza: Until Rockbox gains a native USB mode for portalplayer targets, you need to use either the OF or emergency disk mode |
| 22:55:48 | austrian_guest | desowin: and you did not use the simulator, but your e200? |
| 22:55:49 | kakazza | I need the scrobbler log |
| 22:55:51 | desowin | austrian_guest: mic, is it configureable somehow? |
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| 22:56:00 | desowin | austrian_guest: of course e200 |
| 22:56:00 | gevaerts | amiconn: could you try to find out when it stopped working ? |
| 22:56:05 | desowin | and real guitar, lol |
| 22:56:06 | kakazza | Emergency Disk Mode doesn't seem to work, heh. But ok! |
| 22:56:33 | BigBambi | kakazza: Well it sounds like rockbox isn't rebooting it properly, rather than a problem with EDM |
| 22:56:40 | amiconn | gevaerts: It never worked reliably since the detection to distinguish usb from a charger was added, i.e. for more than a year |
| 22:56:43 | austrian_guest | Not yet, it's still in an early stage; if you want to change input, you have to edit 'init_everything()' |
| 22:56:53 | amiconn | One build worked, another one didn't |
| 22:57:11 | BigBambi | kakazza: You can do it manually - menu + select to reboot, then immediately menu + play (I think, maybe select + play) to get into EDM |
| 22:57:37 | BigBambi | kakazza: Some iPods (I can't remember which) have a crippled EDM, so the OF will be faster |
| 22:57:51 | BigBambi | kakazza: And for scrobbler submission check out QTScrobbler |
| 22:58:22 | kakazza | I got QTScrobbler, but for that I still need the log of it first |
| 22:58:49 | BigBambi | Yep, you go either reboot manually to EDM, or to the OF to grab it |
| 22:58:54 | BigBambi | s/go/can |
| 22:59:09 | amiconn | whoa |
| 22:59:15 | desowin | you need log for every last.fm submitter |
| 22:59:20 | * | amiconn just experienced the extreme gui lag effect |
| 22:59:24 | * | gevaerts still doesn't understand _why_ it doesn't work properly |
| 22:59:24 | desowin | kakazza: enable last.fm log on your player |
| 22:59:37 | BigBambi | kakazza: There is a Rockbox USB mode in active development, but there are a few remaining issues left |
| 22:59:45 | amiconn | Loading cabbiev2 while music was playing took like 30 sec or so |
| 22:59:54 | BigBambi | desowin: Yeah, the problem is connecting to the computer to copy the log, not generating it |
| 22:59:55 | amiconn | In this time, the gui was completely frozen |
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| 23:00:12 | desowin | ah, ok |
| 23:00:22 | kakazza | Thanks. |
| 23:00:29 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:02:00 | gevaerts | It detects the cable properly (otherwise it wouldn't enable the controller), and then gets a usb request from the PC (which triggers it to ask for exclusive disk access, which triggers the SYS_USB_CONNECTED event, which causes the usb screen to show up). The reboot is in the SYS_USB_CONNECT_ACK case when all expected acks are received. |
| 23:02:51 | * | gevaerts doesn't see any hole in there to allow showing the USB screen and not reboot |
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| 23:04:20 | linuxstb | amiconn: I can't seem to recreate in the sim - switching between cabbiev2 and rockbox_default seems to work fine. |
| 23:04:23 | amiconn | linuxstb: Looks like the bug doesn't have to do with viewported wps |
| 23:04:32 | amiconn | ...but rather with config loading |
| 23:04:46 | linuxstb | Are you loading the .wps or the theme .cfg? |
| 23:04:47 | amiconn | The saved config specifies an empty wps, i.e. "wps:" |
| 23:04:57 | amiconn | No, my saved config |
| 23:05:29 | gevaerts | amiconn: maybe increasing NUM_POLL_READINGS in usb.c would help ? |
| 23:05:35 | amiconn | This _should_ activate the built-in default wps (because that's what I normally use on the mini), but there's obviously a bug |
| 23:06:05 | amiconn | gevaerts: I think it's a race condition, and will go away when powermanagement will be redone properly |
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| 23:07:15 | gevaerts | it's almost certainly a race condition, but it could still be inside usb.c. I'll look into that to see if I find something |
| 23:07:20 | amiconn | linuxstb: Loading rockbox_default.wps explicitly does work. Loading a .cfg that says "wps:" doesn't, although it should |
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| 23:07:52 | amiconn | gevaerts: I don't think it's in usb.c. It was there long before the beginnings of the usb stack |
| 23:08:21 | gevaerts | Maybe, but usb.c changed since then, and I could very well have added some more bugs |
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| 23:08:45 | * | gevaerts sometimes does that |
| 23:08:55 | austrian_guest | @desowin: Could you please try this version of my plugin? http://pastebin.com/d56f905ae |
| 23:08:58 | linuxstb | amiconn: Shouldn't "wps:" load cabbiev2.wps now though? |
| 23:09:19 | linuxstb | To be honest, I'm not sure what "wps:" should mean... |
| 23:09:40 | amiconn | Btw, the greyscale lib will be possible on the M3, but (1) we can only run the updates at half the internal frame frequency of the lcd (which is ~150Hz - around twice that of most other grey/mono lcds), and (2) even then it will consume ~50% cpu power (when boosted - the only chance to get it running) |
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| 23:10:17 | amiconn | linuxstb: Goog question, but it does neither load cabbiev2 nor the builtin default properly |
| 23:11:38 | desowin | austrian_guest: no change |
| 23:11:44 | Bagder | amiconn: you called sir! |
| 23:12:08 | austrian_guest | Damn! does it, at some stage, splash "recording callback" ? |
| 23:13:06 | amiconn | Preliminary image, just a scaled-down scan for now |
| 23:13:31 | desowin | austrian_guest: no |
| 23:13:34 | gevaerts | Is my gigabeat the only one that says the battery isn't charged now and then on power on ? |
| 23:13:43 | linuxstb | Is there anything special I should do when adding .bmp files to SVN? |
| 23:13:50 | austrian_guest | desowin: which means it doesn't even start recording... |
| 23:13:57 | austrian_guest | strange.. |
| 23:14:00 | amiconn | linuxstb: It would be nice to set the mime type |
| 23:14:16 | amiconn | The fact that bmps are binary is auto-detected by svn |
| 23:14:35 | linuxstb | Yes, I got A (bin) when adding. |
| 23:15:52 | * | amiconn should really try to put together autoprops for common rockbox files |
| 23:15:55 | * | linuxstb sees the existing files are image/bmp, so follows suit |
| 23:16:19 | kakazza | The rockbox last.fm log, when does it list something as *played*? |
| 23:16:25 | kakazza | After a full play or after N seconds? |
| 23:16:57 | austrian_guest | desowin: Last try. If this does not work, I've got a serious problem... http://pastebin.com/d24927c6b |
| 23:17:16 | desowin | kakazza: accoring to sepc, half of song or 240 seconds |
| 23:17:28 | kakazza | Any way to change that? |
| 23:17:41 | BigBambi | Bagder: Have you spotted the lack of manuals? http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 23:17:41 | kakazza | Official last.fm scrobbling limit is 31 seconds afaik |
| 23:17:44 | desowin | kakazza: it doesn't add if track is under 30 seconds, and it adds not played tracks as "S" in .log file |
| 23:17:56 | Bagder | oh |
| 23:18:15 | desowin | kakazza: songs has to be >30 sec long, yes |
| 23:18:52 | kakazza | Any way to see it while rockbox is running? |
| 23:19:07 | Bagder | now there are manuals again! |
| 23:19:07 | desowin | it flushes cache at shutdown |
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| 23:19:17 | BigBambi | yay! |
| 23:19:24 | desowin | shut down player, start it again, and then open .scrobbler.log using text viewver |
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| 23:20:19 | kakazza | Thanks |
| 23:20:34 | kakazza | desowin, well "start it again" as in "start with select+play" :/ |
| 23:20:45 | kakazza | Booting in Emergency mode doesn't work ;) |
| 23:20:56 | kakazza | And booting the OF is 1:20 as it seems, hah |
| 23:21:00 | * | linuxstb commits the first two versions of cabbie with bitmap strips - help is welcome with the others... |
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| 23:21:33 | BigBambi | kakazza: Bit of an odd problem you've got there (maybe with timing) - usually booting the OF is fine |
| 23:22:04 | desowin | austrian_guest: no dice, or my sansa can't be trusted |
| 23:22:12 | amiconn | linuxstb: pixelma reworked the greyscale cabbiev2 icons. Not yet committed because she wanted to put her work up for discussion on the tracker |
| 23:22:22 | kakazza | Well, it seems when the backlight is flashing it _tries_ to boot the OF, but doesn't succeed and retries |
| 23:22:34 | amiconn | So you'll probably don't have to do those (160x128x2 and 138x110x2) |
| 23:22:47 | austrian_guest | desowin: Thanks for helping me.. |
| 23:22:53 | desowin | kakazza: looks like broken bootloader, try different version |
| 23:22:59 | kakazza | Of the bootloader? |
| 23:23:04 | desowin | yes |
| 23:23:12 | kakazza | How do I check what version I got anyway? |
| 23:23:15 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, she mentioned she was working on the greyscale versions. |
| 23:23:27 | austrian_guest | desowin: I haven't got a clue why it does't even start recording! |
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| 23:23:37 | linuxstb | amiconn: I'm curious to know if the 220x176 cabbie is noticably faster to load on your H300... |
| 23:23:47 | desowin | austrian_guest: sansa e200 is evil! |
| 23:23:48 | amiconn | I would expect it to |
| 23:24:22 | austrian_guest | But that does not explain why recording does not work! |
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| 23:25:45 | TsubakiIke | Hi, I just finished making a theme for the Gigabeat F, can I have permission to put it in the wps gallery please? |
| 23:27:43 | disorganizer | nite@all |
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| 23:28:13 | BigBambi | TsubakiIke is our wiki name I assume? |
| 23:28:19 | TsubakiIke | Yes |
| 23:28:24 | BigBambi | *your |
| 23:28:52 | kakazza | desowin, how do I use an other version? I used ipodpatcher |
| 23:29:00 | BigBambi | TsubakiIke: done. No spamming now! |
| 23:29:15 | TsubakiIke | Thank you. |
| 23:29:16 | BigBambi | kakazza: If you just installed with iPodpatcher it should be fine |
| 23:29:32 | BigBambi | just as in recently |
| 23:29:51 | kakazza | Ok, I'll try with the timing |
| 23:30:19 | BigBambi | And I don't know how a known working version would get installed that worked fine except for that oddly specific thing |
| 23:30:26 | Bagder | "with this data sheet we can make rockbox eith one week or two weeks." <= confident user in the meizume forum... |
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| 23:30:32 | BigBambi | haha |
| 23:30:46 | kakazza | Weird, now it worked again... I have NO idea what sheme it uses, haha |
| 23:30:47 | BigBambi | It would be nice to get some of them to come here |
| 23:30:59 | gevaerts | Does it specify which weeks ? |
| 23:31:18 | BigBambi | I have visions of them turning up with a port that breaks all the other ports, conventions, guidelines etc. |
| 23:31:43 | Bagder | well, luckily markun is in there |
| 23:31:49 | Bagder | in the mix |
| 23:32:17 | desowin | colombo said it's even easier ;) |
| 23:32:46 | BigBambi | Bagder: Ah, that is good |
| 23:32:48 | gevaerts | Will that port run on my dvd player ? |
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| 23:33:32 | austrian_guest | You're so narrow minded, gevaerts ;) |
| 23:34:01 | Xezzy | will some1 tell me how rockbox reads tags? cause some files are recognized as "untagged" but thats not true |
| 23:34:10 | Xezzy | i use ipod 5.5 30gb |
| 23:34:24 | linuxstb | What format are your files, and what kind of tags do they have? |
| 23:34:29 | Xezzy | mp3 |
| 23:34:37 | Xezzy | id3v1 and id3v2 |
| 23:34:56 | linuxstb | Rockbox will read the id3v2 tag first, and if that doesn't exist, read the id3v1 |
| 23:35:29 | amiconn | gah |
| 23:35:34 | Xezzy | sometimes my id3v2 tags dont have title tag, but id3v1 has |
| 23:35:39 | * | amiconn 's H300 is completely dead |
| 23:35:44 | nls_web | so if one field isn't filled in the v2 tag it will be "untagged" in that category, right? |
| 23:35:51 | amiconn | Have to recharge it for a while... |
| 23:35:57 | linuxstb | Xezzy: Then I don't think Rockbox will read the id3v1 tag in that case. |
| 23:36:03 | Xezzy | i see |
| 23:36:22 | Xezzy | thanks I guess this make sense |
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| 23:36:58 | linuxstb | I'm sure there are tools that you could run on your MP3 files to clean the tags |
| 23:37:46 | Xezzy | yeah |
| 23:38:08 | thegeek | does rockbox support ape tags at all? |
| 23:38:48 | kakazza | Ok, while I'm trying to figure out how to properly dual boot... when I connect the USB cable to my 2nd gen iPod Mini, I get the picture of a USB connector, and nothing happens. It seems like rockbox is freezing (time doesn't move, not loading the battery) |
| 23:39:29 | nls_web | Any better ideas than adding a line to firmware/FILES for each app.lds file (one for each cpu basically)? |
| 23:40:00 | Llorean | thegeek: Only in file formats where they're the "normal" tag. |
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| 23:41:09 | austrian_guest | Llorean, sorry to bother you, but could you test a plugin for me? |
| 23:41:27 | Llorean | I can't compile right now, but I do have a whole pile of targets on hand. |
| 23:42:29 | austrian_guest | OK, if you can't compile it's quite senseless ;) |
| 23:43:07 | Llorean | Sorry, then. |
| 23:43:26 | austrian_guest | what targets have built in mics? |
| 23:43:37 | austrian_guest | apart from the x5 and the e200 ? |
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| 23:43:58 | domonok1 | h1x0 |
| 23:44:16 | Llorean | c200 |
| 23:44:53 | gevaerts | I could try on c200 |
| 23:45:29 | austrian_guest | That would be awesome: http://pastebin.com/d5dbde93d |
| 23:46:02 | austrian_guest | For some reason this plugin didn't even start recording on a e200, but works on my X5... |
| 23:46:09 | gevaerts | At least basic functionality. You won't get lots of usability feedback from me |
| 23:46:35 | austrian_guest | If it does something, anything at all, I'm happy ;) |
| 23:47:05 | nls_web | austrian_guest: h300 has builtin mic too |
| 23:47:47 | amiconn | austrian_guest: Most targets which can record also have built-in mics |
| 23:48:38 | amiconn | Among them Archos recorders, Ondio FM, Iriver H1x0, H300, H10 (both), iAudio M3, M5, X5, and afaik the sansa too |
| 23:48:43 | amiconn | *sansas |
| 23:49:37 | austrian_guest | Good; I need to get my instrument tuner plugin running on some other target than my X5 |
| 23:50:45 | austrian_guest | And for now it needs a built-in mic |
| 23:51:06 | * | amiconn guesses it also requires pcm recording atm |
| 23:51:53 | austrian_guest | Well, I thought every target with built-in mic supports pcm recording? |
| 23:52:11 | amiconn | no |
| 23:52:23 | * | gevaerts guesses. Archos recorder ? |
| 23:52:30 | amiconn | The old archoses have a hardware mp3 codec, hence record to mp3 |
| 23:52:42 | amiconn | Archos recorder_s_ and the Ondio FM, yes |
| 23:53:29 | austrian_guest | I know that the archos models are different, but all the other ones (incl. sansas) support pcm recording, right? |
| 23:53:30 | amiconn | They can record to pcm, as we can use a loadable pcm codec for this chip (with permission from Micronas and archos), but this isn't implemented in the core yet |
| 23:53:46 | amiconn | Yes, but the sansas don't support recording at 44.1kHz |
| 23:53:49 | gevaerts | austrian_guest: for H300: tuner.c:269: error: `BUTTON_POWER' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 23:54:17 | austrian_guest | Does the H300 have no power button? appearantly yes.. |
| 23:54:52 | amiconn | austrian_guest: There is a plugin for the archoses that records to wav. I think adapting your tuner using parts of that won't be too difficult |
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| 23:55:22 | austrian_guest | gevaerts: replace BUTTON_POWER with BUTTON_OFF |
| 23:55:31 | austrian_guest | That should work.. |
| 23:55:34 | amiconn | That doesn't need to happen in the first step, and it obviously requires someone with an archos and sufficient low-level knowledge |
| 23:56:00 | gevaerts | austrian_guest: does it use 44.1kHz ? If so, that would explayn the sansa problems |
| 23:56:01 | amiconn | austrian_guest: You'll want to add target specific button definitions... |
| 23:56:24 | austrian_guest | This plugin is at a very early stage |
| 23:56:33 | austrian_guest | I'll add them later |
| 23:57:25 | austrian_guest | does rb->pcm_set_frequency() also set the recording sample rate? |
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| 23:58:00 | nls_web | austrian_guest: it would probably need to be fixed pointified to run reasonably well on the archoses too |
| 23:58:31 | * | amiconn usually add the target specific button part as one of the first things to a new plugin nowadays |
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