| 00:00:27 | DerPapst | Soap: yes. but i guess bluebrother wants read compiler errors and suff like that. |
| 00:00:54 | pixelma | DerPapst: beer? ;) |
| 00:01:20 | DerPapst | meh... more a lack of sleep i guess ;-) |
| 00:01:53 | Rincewind | DerPapst: did you catch the "suff"? |
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| 00:02:33 | bluebrother | ROTFL :) |
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| 00:05:06 | linuxstb | pixelma: Thanks for fixing that wps - I see it was my fault in two ways... |
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| 00:07:16 | pixelma | no problem... what do you mean with "in two ways" though? |
| 00:07:43 | amiconn | rofl |
| 00:08:09 | linuxstb | I didn't rename the reference in the wps, and then my commit to make the parser reject WPSs with missing bmps |
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| 00:10:31 | * | DerPapst should do his beautysleep |
| 00:10:49 | DerPapst | Good night everyone. :-) |
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| 00:11:16 | pixelma | linuxstb: aha, the problem already occured for someone already in the "make zip" which couldn't find the lockopen bmp. I wasn't even aware that there are more problems... |
| 00:11:34 | pixelma | s/already// |
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| 00:32:02 | kugel | linuxstb: ping |
| 00:32:13 | linuxstb | ? |
| 00:32:43 | kugel | linuxstb: I have a problem with your "Check for trailing | " "function" |
| 00:33:34 | kugel | It doesn't work with the viewport parse function |
| 00:33:50 | kugel | you might scroll back/read logs from today to read more about that |
| 00:33:53 | linuxstb | What viewport parse function? |
| 00:35:42 | kugel | the one I wrote to unify viewport structure parsing in wps and lists |
| 00:35:55 | * | amiconn wonders what a ZXbot is :\ |
| 00:36:19 | linuxstb | You shouldn't have any trailing | in the .cfg file... |
| 00:39:10 | kugel | linuxstb: It doesn't work in the wps |
| 00:39:26 | linuxstb | You mean there's a bug in SVN? |
| 00:39:50 | kugel | No. It works when I use the SVN way of parsing the wps viewport |
| 00:39:54 | Llorean | linuxstb: I think he means "I want the syntax to be identical in WPS and .cfg, and in the WPS you need a trailing |" |
| 00:40:05 | kugel | Llorean: No... |
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| 00:42:25 | kugel | The setting works (with or without the trailing | ), the list is also working. But the wps gets rejected when wps_parser checks for the traling | |
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| 00:43:15 | kugel | but only when I use my generic viewport parse function from viewport.c, and not the svn "parse_list" |
| 00:43:42 | kugel | eventhough, my viewport parse function doesn't much more than parse_list |
| 00:44:16 | scorche|sh | so are you saying that this breaks one of your patches? |
| 00:44:41 | kugel | kinda |
| 00:44:47 | Llorean | scorche|sh: He's trying to unify the parsing for both types of viewports as suggested by linuxstb for the patch |
| 00:44:53 | linuxstb | I think he's saying that his patch breaks existing functionality and wants help to figure out why... |
| 00:45:06 | kugel | I have commented out that for now, but I doubt it's wanted |
| 00:45:36 | kugel | linuxstb: also correct :) |
| 00:45:37 | Llorean | kugel: What did you add to your generic function, since it's "not much more than parse_list" it suggests it is more. |
| 00:45:54 | linuxstb | Your function will need to return a pointer to the character after the data you've parsed - i.e. a pointer to where the | is expected to be. |
| 00:46:10 | linuxstb | This is the return value from parse_list. |
| 00:46:38 | kugel | Llorean: it does actually the same the parse_viewport from wps_parser.c. As suggested, I moved the most part from wps_parser.c to viewport.c for a generic function |
| 00:47:10 | kugel | linuxstb: ahh, that could be the reason |
| 00:47:27 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: in case you needed confirmation... r16778 has much faster buffering and better responsiveness than current ones. I'm going to try r16791 now |
| 00:47:50 | kugel | I only return an int as of now, depeding of parse_list worked or not |
| 00:48:33 | pixelma | Bagder: you still around by any chance? |
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| 00:51:38 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: r16791 seems no better and no worse, although after reading the commit message it seems I could expect that |
| 00:52:15 | Nico_P | (DB and dircache are still disabled) |
| 00:54:16 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: the key here is digging deep into why that device runs contrary to all others esp. given that disk contention won't be a factor with all that stuff off. I'm gonna try to make a guinea pig of my sister's if she'll allow it. :) |
| 00:54:54 | kugel | linuxstb: thanks, that worked |
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| 00:56:09 | kugel | linuxstb: What did you say about traling | in .cfg? Should I avoid that? Should I check for that, and if it's there reject the value? |
| 00:56:39 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: could it be because of the fact that the RAM is bigger, so the audio thread would hold longer on to the disk, thus slowing buffering down? |
| 00:56:53 | Nico_P | hmm I'm not even really convincing myself :/ |
| 00:56:55 | kugel | A bit confusing. Trailing pipe in wps is a must, but in .cfg a nogo? |
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| 00:57:18 | Nico_P | the fact is that buffering is much slower now |
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| 00:57:33 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: why should it and why wouldn't it have before then? |
| 00:57:46 | Nico_P | yeah I don't see why either |
| 00:57:59 | linuxstb | kugel: Personally I would make the VP parameters in the .cfg a comma separated list - i.e. use ',' instead of '|' and no leading or trailing separators. |
| 00:58:19 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: could it be a possibility of a wrong low level setup somewhere? |
| 00:58:54 | Nico_P | the diff is far too large for me to try to understand it :/ |
| 00:59:09 | kugel | linuxstb: I personnally like the that the list viewprt syntax and the wps syntax are the same |
| 00:59:40 | jhMikeS | yeah, the diff sucks cause so much #ifdef junk was removed |
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| 01:01:21 | linuxstb | kugel: But they're not the same - there's no %V, and it's likely the WPS syntax will be extended with other things (e.g. conditionals, statusbar features) |
| 01:01:24 | jhMikeS | what sort of low-level setup? threading doesn't really get into much direct register access except tick and sleep |
| 01:01:32 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: have you seen the patch I posted earlier? (http://pastebin.ca/960166) |
| 01:01:56 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: it was a shot in the dark, I really don't know what sort of things are involved in this |
| 01:02:00 | Llorean | kugel: I'm gonna hafta agree with linuxstb here. They're similar, but they're going to diverge anyway, and comma separated lists are a more regular thing for .cfg files |
| 01:02:11 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: no, just plopped myself down here |
| 01:02:26 | Nico_P | but I guess there is some target specific code involved for low level kernel objects? |
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| 01:02:50 | kugel | linuxstb: but why did I made this generic function than? I don't quite get it, if the list viewport structure and the wps viewport structure are going to differ a lot more |
| 01:03:16 | linuxstb | Because it parses the core parts of the viewport - i.e. what goes into the viewport struct. |
| 01:03:21 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: not much at all |
| 01:04:05 | linuxstb | kugel: That's also why I made the separator a parameter to the parse_list function. |
| 01:04:12 | jhMikeS | actualy nothing is low-level. the variants have corelock and/or priority inheritance. I my tests again on the inheritance and that checked out ok. |
| 01:04:24 | kugel | linuxstb: Ok |
| 01:05:07 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: is there some kind of test I could run to help figure things out? |
| 01:05:54 | kugel | linuxstb: but back to my previous question. As of now, it doesn't matter if there's a trailing seperator in the config. Should I explicit reject the setting value, if there's a traling seperator, or leave it as it is (hoping that the user avoids traling seperator by himself) |
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| 01:06:48 | linuxstb | kugel: I think you can ignore it. |
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| 01:07:18 | Llorean | I think if they're using commas, they're a lot less likely to think there should be a trailing one anyway |
| 01:07:32 | kugel | linuxstb: That's what I think too. But I asked before someone bashes me again |
| 01:08:01 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I can't think of anything specific atm. How's the navigation in general once you're in the menus? |
| 01:08:10 | Nico_P | it's fine |
| 01:08:43 | Nico_P | the only things that are laggy are the ones that involve passing a queue message to the audio thread |
| 01:08:57 | Nico_P | e.g. volume or entering a menu are fine |
| 01:09:09 | Nico_P | but pause/unpause takes forever |
| 01:09:16 | jhMikeS | I have an idea - try making the owner argument NULL in each queue_enable_queue_send call |
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| 01:10:40 | Nico_P | all of those calls or just buffering/audio? |
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| 01:11:36 | linuxstb | pixelma: Regarding your suggestion earlier about leaving fg/bg colour/shade blank in %V tags, I like the idea, but think that will just cause complications. i.e. when the user changes the fg/bg colour in the settings, how do we know to change those viewports? |
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| 01:12:28 | Llorean | linuxstb: Are those settings going to explicitly only change the list viewport (and anything listing it as the parent) then? |
| 01:12:38 | jhMikeS | all in playback.c and buffering.c, and voice_thread.c (to remove that from the equation). I did neglect to recheck the queue stuff. |
| 01:13:01 | Nico_P | I ended up doing all of them |
| 01:13:13 | linuxstb | Llorean: I guess eventually they won't do much at all... Unless we add the concept of "use global values" for certain viewport items. |
| 01:13:46 | Llorean | linuxstb: I honestly wouldn't mind them being removed entirely, myself. |
| 01:14:08 | Llorean | Since they don't really fit into the whole "everything is viewport defined" scheme |
| 01:15:11 | linuxstb | I think this is the dilemma - do we keep all the existing theme settings in the UI (including things like statusbar visibility) and deal with the complication, or just make everything controlled by the theme? |
| 01:16:00 | Llorean | I vote the latter. |
| 01:16:29 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: things don't seem any better |
| 01:16:50 | Llorean | linuxstb: Generally speaking, you don't change most of them except when changing themes these days anyway, I think. |
| 01:17:03 | linuxstb | Llorean: I think I do as well, but can also see the usefulness of those settings for people using text-only themes, without any viewports. |
| 01:17:23 | linuxstb | But I guess those people will just need to create themes for themselves... |
| 01:18:14 | * | kugel hates warnings |
| 01:18:23 | linuxstb | kugel: They're there to help... |
| 01:18:45 | kugel | sure, but if it works and gcc warns anyway |
| 01:18:53 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I need to rerun the test though... I'm not certain I did things right |
| 01:19:01 | linuxstb | kugel: Are you sure it works? In all cases? |
| 01:19:04 | Llorean | linuxstb: Well, if they *really* want the option to toggle them, they can do .cfg files. But I think it's going to be minimally important, and only to a few people. |
| 01:19:14 | kugel | nah, they are very usefull. they just annoy, since they show my code is bad :p |
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| 01:19:35 | kugel | linuxstb: not entirely |
| 01:19:59 | * | Llorean means "minimally important" because only a few people use it, rather than "minimally important to those few", since I imagine to them it might be very important. |
| 01:20:08 | kugel | the viewport gets parsed correctly (in list and wps cases) though |
| 01:20:18 | Llorean | But I mean, if it complicates things much, it may just be a bad thing. |
| 01:20:51 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: do I need to update the codecs too? |
| 01:21:01 | Nico_P | I got a codec failure |
| 01:21:26 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: for that? no. |
| 01:21:33 | Nico_P | ah crap it's probably because of the latest SVN changes |
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| 01:26:18 | * | Nico_P is still getting codec failures |
| 01:26:52 | * | linuxstb is struggling to think of a good way to implement conditionals for viewports, and can just come up with an album-art specific solution - %VC for an album-art only viewport, and %Vc for a no-album-art only viewport... |
| 01:28:03 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: hmmm...that shouldn't hurt anything at all. |
| 01:29:11 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: it's just freezing now |
| 01:30:07 | Nico_P | yep... can't start audio playback |
| 01:30:12 | Llorean | linuxstb: That works for me. Can I have multiple %VCs? |
| 01:30:35 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes (and Vc of course) |
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| 01:31:23 | Llorean | linuxstb: Though people *might* want a "Playback Status" viewport or a "Hold is on viewport" as well (people have done stuff like show the album art only while paused, or show enhanced track info only while hold is on) |
| 01:31:29 | linuxstb | Llorean: I just don't like the way that it loses the flexibility of the existing conditional system (and uses a different syntax). But given that viewports work at a level above WPSs (basically splitting a WPS into lots of little ones), I can't see how to do it... |
| 01:31:37 | Llorean | But I think the *main* one is Album Art |
| 01:32:21 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I'll check that one out for sure. |
| 01:33:01 | webguest12 | Hi all! A couple things. I've been going through the manual for RockBox on an IPod video, and there's a lot of "this is discussed in detail in section??." With no number or link. Also, could Voicebox be upgraded to be able to generate .voice files? |
| 01:33:06 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I changed all queue_enable_queue_send owners to NULL |
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| 01:33:47 | linuxstb | webguest12: Which format manual (html or PDF) ? |
| 01:34:01 | Llorean | linuxstb: I don't think you're going to be able to preserve the flexibility. I think you're just going to have to say "While the existing conditionals work, only this one (or these few) can be used to toggle the existence of viewports" |
| 01:34:21 | markun | amiconn: I tried a few different bootloaders including the iriver ones and the .map .lds files matched |
| 01:34:41 | * | jhMikeS tries on H10 |
| 01:35:09 | webguest12 | linuxstb: The online html version. |
| 01:35:51 | linuxstb | webguest12: Ah, it seems it's broken... It stops in chapter 5. |
| 01:36:36 | n1s | linuxstb: I broke it, bluebrother fixed it today so it should be fine tomorrow |
| 01:36:40 | webguest12 | linuxstb: Yeah I also noticed thta, something like "the controls are:" or something |
| 01:36:54 | n1s | webguest12: try the pdf |
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| 01:40:43 | jhMikeS | H10 worked just fine |
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| 01:41:08 | Nico_P | how weird |
| 01:41:25 | Nico_P | is there any target specific code in your commit? |
| 01:41:29 | jhMikeS | could there be some mutex or something getting initialized more than once? |
| 01:41:59 | jhMikeS | none except the obligatory context and core stuff |
| 01:43:51 | jhMikeS | just a few compatibility changes but those are shared on pp502x |
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| 01:55:00 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: would you mind taking a quick look at http://pastebin.ca/960166 at one point? it's a very small patch and I think it doesn't introduce any behaviour change |
| 01:55:15 | Nico_P | it makes things simpler IMO |
| 01:56:22 | webguest12 | Would send this to the person asking me to try the pdf but he/she's gone. Trying to find a section, a lot of section titles in links in the table of contents are one word, like addingmusictoplaylists |
| 01:58:37 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: shouldn't an improper status still be rejected in the Q_AUDIO_FILL_BUFFER case? |
| 01:59:29 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: at first I had written it that way but there is only one place left where a Q_AUDIO_FILL_BUFFER event it sent |
| 01:59:59 | Nico_P | I could probably even get rid of that event and just let the SYS_TIMEOUT do the job |
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| 02:01:25 | pixelma | webguest12: which pdf did you try (tried one here that looks correctly)? |
| 02:01:29 | jhMikeS | Would be more efficient to block the audio thread instead of time out all the time |
| 02:02:09 | webguest12 | pixelma: The latest one for the IPod Video. |
| 02:02:21 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: block it? |
| 02:03:30 | jhMikeS | queue_wait instead of queue_wait_w_tmo. staying blocked takes 0 computing cycles afterall. |
| 02:03:42 | Nico_P | ah, right |
| 02:04:41 | Nico_P | what is default for btw? |
| 02:05:54 | Nico_P | also, without the timeout, where would I put the code I added to the timeout case? after treating queue messages if there isn't another one waiting? |
| 02:06:54 | pixelma | webguest12: weird - I can't see anything unusual here. Maybe you could try older ones from here http://download.rockbox.org/manual/ and compare |
| 02:08:41 | webguest12 | pixelma: hmm, i'm using Adobe Reader 8, if it makes a difference. |
| 02:08:47 | jhMikeS | I guess default is just to log it |
| 02:11:09 | jhMikeS | I was just thinking queue_wait could be used when stopped. obviously the pcm buffer events have to be checked when playing. |
| 02:11:51 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: probably, yes. I'll leave that to another commit though |
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| 02:13:55 | jhMikeS | there's definitely something rotten though if setting the queue owner to NULL caused problems. |
| 02:15:18 | Nico_P | indeed... |
| 02:15:27 | * | jhMikeS tries e200 this time |
| 02:16:11 | * | Nico_P decides it's bed time |
| 02:17:16 | jhMikeS | nighty |
| 02:17:27 | Nico_P | thanks :) |
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| 02:20:27 | pixelma | webguest12: I'm using the same version, so I'm out of ideas (and should get some sleep too). |
| 02:22:59 | webguest12 | pixelma: ah ok. Also if this is ok, what is the combo box on this page for? it has querey, kick and whice or something |
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| 03:37:57 | webguest76 | i have e200 |
| 03:38:04 | webguest76 | need help??????????? |
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| 03:40:47 | scorche | webguest76: dont do that...please have a look at the guidelines linked to in the topic |
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| 04:17:58 | jenky | can anyone recommend a decent pmp which works with rockbox well and is currently being sold? not real keen on bidding for an old gigabeat on ebay for $150+! |
| 04:18:27 | Llorean | $150 is kinda on the cheap end of the scale for actual media-player designed devices... |
| 04:18:59 | Llorean | But you can see the full list of supported devices on the front page of the Rockbox site. None of them were designed as "media" players. Just music players, or in a few rare cases, Music players + some video features |
| 04:19:16 | bd_ | Hmm, approximately where in the source are the titles for songs in the database browser assembled (ie, track number etc tacked on)? I'm trying to fix the sort order of multi-disc albums where there are >9 discs, as currently it seems to be going by asciibetical ordering... |
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| 04:19:47 | bd_ | I tried changing the obvious sprintfs in gui/gwps-common.c and screens.c to %02d but that didn't seem to have any effect |
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| 04:20:32 | bd_ | (the files in question are ogg vorbis, if it matters) |
| 04:24:13 | jenky | ok sorry.. i am after a music player |
| 04:24:34 | jenky | $150 would be cheap for a new one agreed, but not for one thats a few years old |
| 04:24:59 | Llorean | jenky: You asked for ones "currently being sold" though... which is basically "new ones" |
| 04:25:26 | Llorean | jenky: But as i said, the list of supported players is on the front page of the site, and there's a page in the wiki called BuyersGuide with a little more info. |
| 04:25:56 | jenky | i saw it |
| 04:26:00 | BHSPitMonkey | jenky, check out the site some more, and probably move this conversation to #rockbox-community |
| 04:26:14 | jenky | ok i'll ask there |
| 04:26:40 | jenky | one thing about that buyers guide; it shouldnt recommend things like the sandisk players as 'supported', when its only v1.0 that are supported |
| 04:27:10 | kugel | which player who has a remote can be compiled with arm-elf-gcc? |
| 04:27:21 | kugel | (sim) |
| 04:27:28 | Llorean | kugel: The sims are never compiled with arm-elf-gcc |
| 04:27:38 | kugel | oh, yea |
| 04:27:40 | Llorean | jenky: The buyers guide calls them V1... |
| 04:27:45 | * | kugel slaps himself |
| 04:29:15 | kugel | so, which targets have remotes? :) I need it for the customlist patch btw |
| 04:29:27 | Llorean | kugel: You mean "which have LCD remotes" |
| 04:29:38 | kugel | sure |
| 04:29:50 | Llorean | Which would be, as far as I know, the iRiver H100 and H300 series, and the iAudio Xs and Ms |
| 04:29:53 | kugel | are there any other types of remotes supported? |
| 04:29:56 | Llorean | Yes. |
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| 04:30:09 | kugel | Oh, didn't know |
| 04:30:13 | Llorean | There are non-LCD remotes for some players. |
| 04:30:25 | kugel | Sorry, I have absolutely no idea of remotes and stuff. |
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| 05:40:33 | Lopli1 | Are there hooks in rockbox that can be used by plugins so that the main sourcecode doesn't have to be edited? |
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| 05:43:49 | scorche|sh | the plugin API? |
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| 05:48:58 | Loplin | I didn't see any documentation on the DocsIndex page about a plugin API... is this in plugin.h? |
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| 08:20:21 | Ranjith | hi everyone |
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| 08:25:01 | joey1 | Hi, I am using VMware to compile a build following the steps on the wiki page and have now made the zip, just wandering where i can find the zip on my computer. I cant seem to find it |
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| 08:27:42 | cool_walking_ | it should be in the folder you ran "make zip" from. |
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| 08:28:03 | Ranjith | I am intersted in bringing realaudio support in rockbox, and I have discussed the matter with linuxstb and as per his suggestion i had gone through the source code of rockbox . I want some clarifications over whether its enough to convert the floating poing outputs generated by the existing decoders to fixedpoint or is it needed to change the existing decoders to produce fixedpoint output? |
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| 08:28:47 | joey1 | cool_walking_: the problem is a can find that folder either |
| 08:29:09 | cool_walking_ | you don't know where you are? type "pwd". |
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| 08:29:52 | scorche | joey1: if you are in vmware, you need to transfer the zip off it and onto your regular filesystem through samba |
| 08:29:54 | Llorean | cool_walking_: VMWare, so he's gotta browse to it via the network share. |
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| 08:29:59 | * | scorche wins |
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| 08:30:54 | Llorean | Ranjith: It's not simply a matter of output. The processors do floating point math very slow, so most or all operations need to be converted to fixed point. |
| 08:31:04 | joey1 | ok so any ideas on how to do that? |
| 08:31:23 | scorche | joey1: it should talk about that in the wiki page |
| 08:32:53 | joey1 | oh i understand now thankyou |
| 08:35:25 | A-4 | what is the best way to implement a 25 microsecond wait? |
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| 09:52:06 | pixelma | Bagder: are you around now? |
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| 09:54:30 | pondlife | GodEater: Morning, did you see jhMikeS has been active again |
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| 10:00:52 | GodEater | I saw he'd put a comment on the FS task |
| 10:00:58 | GodEater | but I've not investigated further |
| 10:09:16 | pondlife | OK, well let me know if you want a test build |
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| 10:25:20 | GodEater | pondlife: would love a test build ;) |
| 10:25:20 | pondlife | OK, will let you know once I've pedalled Cygwin up-to-speed. |
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| 11:03:45 | pondlife | Hmm, audio_set_buffer_margin() is wacky... its parameter is defined as seconds, which is true for MASCODEC, but on SWCODEC it performs a table lookup to find the number of seconds. |
| 11:19:42 | amiconn | Low watermark handling on swcodec has been broken since playback got implemented... |
| 11:20:12 | markun | pixelma: nice vector image of the M3! |
| 11:38:06 | pixelma | markun: thanks, it wasn't that hard because I could reuse a lot of the M5 drawing |
| 11:41:49 | markun | does anyone plan on updating some of the screendumps to show Cabbie2? |
| 11:42:10 | markun | I might do the 320x240 ones to prepare for the Meizu manual :) |
| 11:42:38 | pixelma | currently there are no screenshots in the manual that show the WPS |
| 11:42:53 | markun | but they do show the menu and the context menu etc |
| 11:43:04 | pixelma | ah, that |
| 11:43:11 | markun | wouldn't be bad if we could automate this |
| 11:43:25 | markun | in case we make some changes to the default theme again in future |
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| 11:47:01 | pixelma | updating these screenshots wouldn't have high priority for me, IMO there are more important things to do in the manual :\ |
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| 12:06:57 | markun | pixelma: it's just that A-4 wanted to get an impession of what rockbox was all about and the scnreeshots in the manual didn't look very inviting. |
| 12:09:14 | linuxstb | markun: Any ideas how to automate the screenshots? |
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| 12:09:32 | markun | linuxstb: not really, do you? |
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| 12:10:12 | markun | someone simulate button presses for the simulator |
| 12:10:17 | markun | somehow.. |
| 12:10:33 | linuxstb | My immediate thought is a button driver that reads button events and "take screenshot" events from a file... But I'm not sure if it's worthwhile. |
| 12:11:33 | * | pixelma should update the screenshots in the DefaultWPS page |
| 12:11:35 | markun | if it could read rockbox actions that would be even better |
| 12:11:53 | markun | then you can reuse it for different targets |
| 12:12:03 | markun | without knowing the button mapping |
| 12:12:19 | linuxstb | Yes, maybe it could be done with the action API instead - a project for JD ;) |
| 12:12:33 | pixelma | and then you need a long list of screens you need a dump of |
| 12:13:24 | linuxstb | Someone needs to port a scripting engine to Rockbox :) |
| 12:13:35 | markun | ;) |
| 12:13:45 | markun | let's just do the screenshot by hand :) |
| 12:13:53 | der-ftz | hello |
| 12:14:08 | linuxstb | markun: An SoC project? |
| 12:14:17 | markun | poor student.. |
| 12:14:20 | markun | der-ftz: hi |
| 12:14:25 | der-ftz | guys, is it possible to turn on/off the LCD on the fly list a backlight? |
| 12:14:40 | der-ftz | *like a backlight |
| 12:14:46 | der-ftz | on iRiver H120 |
| 12:14:49 | petur | actually it would be a nice project and could be part of a test framework |
| 12:15:26 | markun | der-ftz: I don't think rockbox has that option, but it's not impossible to implement. |
| 12:15:39 | linuxstb | der-ftz: Why would you want to? |
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| 12:15:56 | amiconn | I wonder where the MajorChanges link went again... |
| 12:16:23 | pixelma | der-ftz: why would you want that? The H120 display is quite readable without backlight and I believe that the display itself doesn't need much power (as the backlight does) |
| 12:16:29 | der-ftz | markun: sure, i'm asking about possibility. linuxstb: does LCD's power consumption is too low? |
| 12:17:09 | markun | amiconn: I think I'll split up plugin.lds today |
| 12:17:30 | markun | or should we do the portalplayer shuffle first? |
| 12:17:50 | amiconn | markun: Your boot.lds split could use some polishing... |
| 12:18:03 | pixelma | der-ftz: clarification: I meant that the backlight needs much power but the LCD itself doesn't |
| 12:18:29 | markun | amiconn: any particular area? I know very little about the linker files. |
| 12:18:58 | amiconn | Mostly unnecesary or unclear ifdefing |
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| 12:19:17 | linuxstb | markun: I'm not convinced by all this splitting up - it's just creating many almost identical files... Wouldn't it be better to just use #defines in something like a "hardware-target.h" file? |
| 12:19:45 | markun | linuxstb: yes, maybe |
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| 12:19:58 | DerPapst | hi all :-) |
| 12:20:12 | markun | it was just becoming too messy if I added the meizu to the existing boot.lds |
| 12:20:26 | markun | morning DerPapst |
| 12:20:33 | der-ftz | thanks guys |
| 12:21:00 | markun | der-ftz: no problem |
| 12:21:56 | markun | linuxstb: do you want to give it a go? |
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| 12:22:08 | linuxstb | markun: Not really ;) |
| 12:22:11 | markun | ;) |
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| 12:22:25 | DerPapst | linuxstb: i hope i haven't missed that part somewhere in the logs (if so a pointer is enough) but what is the problem with conditional viewports? |
| 12:23:00 | amiconn | Imho splitting the linker scripts does make sense. The linker scripts aren't very long, and the unified one was rather hard to follow with all the ifdefing |
| 12:24:05 | amiconn | Restructuring the PP targets in the target tree will allow to recombine some of them as well |
| 12:24:20 | linuxstb | DerPapst: They're implemented at a level above the rest of the WPS, so can't use the existing conditionals mechanism. |
| 12:25:08 | DerPapst | because everything below that viewport tag belongs to said viewport? |
| 12:25:16 | linuxstb | Yes |
| 12:26:17 | pondlife | Nico_P: playback.c routine audio_set_buffer_margin() seems wrong |
| 12:26:20 | DerPapst | would it make sense to make somekind of if,then statement with using braces or similar? |
| 12:26:51 | DerPapst | something similar to a viewport close tag. |
| 12:27:07 | * | pondlife smells xml... |
| 12:27:12 | Nico_P | pondlife: I'll take a look |
| 12:27:14 | DerPapst | heh |
| 12:27:33 | Nico_P | pondlife: have you seen http://pastebin.ca/960166 ? |
| 12:27:35 | pondlife | Nico_P: The audio.h definition (and MAS implementation) takes the number of seconds directly |
| 12:27:47 | pondlife | Nico_P: Not until now |
| 12:28:10 | Nico_P | FSM-style buffering handling in playback.c... not a big change but simplifies things IMO |
| 12:28:32 | pondlife | I hope my const-ing won't make it harder for you to merge that in... |
| 12:28:41 | Nico_P | probably not |
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| 12:29:19 | pondlife | Oops, forgot the plugin API version |
| 12:30:43 | * | Nico_P tries jhMikeS' patch |
| 12:32:31 | pondlife | Aargh, |
| 12:34:50 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I think you nailed it! :) |
| 12:36:04 | amiconn | pondlife: plugin api version doesn't seem necessary for those little changes |
| 12:36:15 | amiconn | It's binary compatible |
| 12:36:18 | pondlife | Ah, ok |
| 12:36:26 | pondlife | I was unsure |
| 12:36:51 | pondlife | I'll leave it now, just mop up the non-recording red |
| 12:37:03 | * | pondlife adds another target to his test build script |
| 12:37:23 | * | Nico_P needs one such script |
| 12:39:26 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: commands are responsive and bufferingis much faster again with the patch, congratulations :) |
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| 12:41:48 | Nico_P | pondlife: about FS #5127, I guess the reporter was mainly thinking of when the track he skips to isn't buffered. in that case the PCM buffer empties while the new track is loaded |
| 12:42:34 | * | Nico_P bbs |
| 12:44:12 | pondlife | Nico_P: Maybe, but I think that's reasonable behaviour.. I might even prefer it. |
| 12:44:28 | pondlife | I guess it would feel more responsive if it silenced |
| 12:45:50 | amiconn | pondlife: I don't think all function arguments should be const'ed |
| 12:46:00 | pondlife | Why not |
| 12:46:13 | pondlife | It makes it clear they are in only |
| 12:46:19 | amiconn | There's no effective benefit for normal arguments, it just clutters the argument list |
| 12:46:58 | amiconn | Normal arguments (i.e. non-pointers) are read-only anyway, as they're not passed back |
| 12:47:07 | pondlife | Yes, but I like the clarity |
| 12:47:08 | amiconn | It only makes sense for pointers |
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| 12:47:28 | pondlife | I'll stop though.. |
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| 12:47:47 | linuxstb | But if an int is passed to the a function, it's obviously an "in" parameter... |
| 12:48:10 | pondlife | True, but I didn't think const did any harm |
| 12:48:19 | amiconn | Btw, there's a slight but important difference between 'const <type> *ptr' and '<type> const *ptr' |
| 12:48:31 | pondlife | Indeed |
| 12:48:47 | pondlife | We're concerned with the former (i.e. a ptr to a const) |
| 12:48:57 | amiconn | yes |
| 12:49:02 | * | DerPapst guesses linuxstb doesn't like his "idea" ;-) |
| 12:49:19 | amiconn | That's the only form where the 'const' makes sense in a function argument list |
| 12:49:33 | pondlife | OK, shall I revert the non-ptr ones |
| 12:49:34 | pondlife | ? |
| 12:49:35 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Show me how it would look... (and a patch to implement it ;) ) |
| 12:49:47 | pondlife | Consistency is a good thing. |
| 12:49:57 | DerPapst | ah well... no idea ;-) |
| 12:50:16 | pondlife | Maybe I'll pop a note in DOCS too |
| 12:51:26 | pondlife | "const should be used with pointers whenever possible, but not be used for non-pointer types." |
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| 12:51:42 | pondlife | Or is it not worth worrying about? |
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| 12:56:59 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Regarding your SoC proposal, IMO games are a very low priority for Rockbox - if it was a choice between SoC projects that addressed core features and a game plugin, my vote would always go in favour of the core features... |
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| 13:03:09 | pondlife | intptr_t is a pointer, right? |
| 13:05:01 | linuxstb | No, I think it's an int the same size as a pointer. |
| 13:05:07 | pondlife | Ah, ok |
| 13:05:18 | pondlife | A data or code pointer? |
| 13:05:35 | linuxstb | There's a difference? |
| 13:05:57 | pondlife | On some architectures, probably not any more... I was being silly. |
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| 13:32:44 | DerPapst | linuxstb: ok. i'll try it anyways. if there aren't enough applicants for rockbox there might be hope for me. My proposal can always be rejected in favour of a core feature. |
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| 13:55:42 | * | pondlife has just received a Sansa c240 |
| 13:55:53 | pondlife | I wonder if it's v2 or not |
| 13:56:40 | pondlife | Audible is mentioned on the box... that's a bad sign, right? |
| 13:56:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: Uh oh... |
| 13:57:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | Open it up and see if it's got 03.xx.xx firmware. |
| 13:57:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | Or look for that telltale "v2" on the back. |
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| 13:58:38 | pondlife | I see no v2 on the back, but my eyesight isn't the best |
| 13:58:46 | pondlife | Battery needs charging |
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| 14:01:36 | pondlife | v1 |
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| 14:04:54 | pondlife | Hmm, RBUtil claimed that the c200 bootloader didn't need updating... is that a known issue? |
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| 14:15:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: Lucky! A v1! :) |
| 14:15:56 | | Part der-ftz |
| 14:16:38 | pondlife | For £10 |
| 14:16:47 | pondlife | plus £3 postage |
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| 14:25:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: Sounds like a good deal! |
| 14:25:52 | * | LambdaCalculus37 wishes deals like this popped up in the U.S. |
| 14:30:15 | pondlife | hehe it has a radio too, even though I saved £3 by opting for the non-FM model. |
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| 14:37:19 | pondlife | Oops |
| 14:37:43 | pondlife | Silly question - what's the keymapping to boot the OF on a C200 ? |
| 14:38:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: Hold Left. |
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| 14:38:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | Then power on. |
| 14:38:18 | pondlife | Thanks |
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| 14:45:13 | pondlife | Hmm, is http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsbSoftwareStack now obsolete? |
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| 14:46:09 | pondlife | I'm trying to find the magic #defines to test USB... the wiki isn't forthcoming |
| 14:47:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: A lot of the information on that page is just old notes from GSoC 2007, it seems. |
| 14:47:36 | linuxstb | pondlife: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb |
| 14:47:40 | pondlife | Aha |
| 14:47:49 | pondlife | Thanks |
| 14:48:16 | linuxstb | And yes, I think bluebrother has mentioned the bootloader detection isn't working properly in rbutil - he may even have fixed it in SVN... |
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| 14:49:04 | linuxstb | So I wasted £3 with the "radio version" of the C200? |
| 14:49:11 | pondlife | Maybe! |
| 14:49:20 | pondlife | That's a whole beer |
| 14:49:36 | pondlife | Yours cost 4 beers, mine only cost 3 |
| 14:49:41 | linuxstb | ;) |
| 14:49:54 | petur | are they still for sale? |
| 14:50:22 | pondlife | petur: http://www.bigpockets.co.uk/search.php?lang=&page=1&session=923b7ee73f81e54287043e0d66df43d9 |
| 14:50:35 | petur | thnx |
| 14:50:35 | pondlife | But expensive shipping overseas |
| 14:50:53 | linuxstb | They don't seem to be selling very fast - I've been keeping an eye on the stock levels, and they had about 280 last weekend, and 248 today (the radio version) |
| 14:51:17 | pondlife | Maybe the price will drop further |
| 14:51:28 | pondlife | Down to 1 beer |
| 14:51:49 | dionoea | + 3 beers shipping costs :( |
| 14:51:57 | pondlife | And the rest |
| 14:52:04 | linuxstb | 25 beers to Sweden... |
| 14:52:46 | * | Rincewind has to convince people in germany that they need a c250, too |
| 14:53:07 | pondlife | This is only a c240, but it'll be great if I can debug playback over USB |
| 14:53:22 | pondlife | "The usb serial implementation doesn't seem complete enough to be usable from Windows." might be a problem |
| 14:53:26 | Rincewind | 240, whatever |
| 14:53:28 | * | GodEater has convinced about 4 people in his office to buy one |
| 14:53:39 | pondlife | You should take commission |
| 14:53:49 | pondlife | But them and sell them for 5 beers each |
| 14:53:56 | pondlife | s/But/Buy |
| 14:54:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: Hah... "Here's the Sansa you wanted. Now let's go the pub and you'll buy me 5 pints." :) |
| 14:55:07 | pondlife | Yup |
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| 14:56:03 | * | disorganizer has the feeling we get a bit offtopic here |
| 14:56:09 | kugel | beer costs £3 in UK? |
| 14:56:10 | pondlife | True |
| 14:56:18 | pondlife | In some places, yes |
| 14:56:25 | GodEater | more in some |
| 14:56:27 | pondlife | Normally a little less |
| 14:56:29 | * | kugel is impressed |
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| 14:57:07 | kugel | here I pay normally 1,50 to 2,50 € |
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| 14:57:19 | pondlife | kugel: We measure by the pint |
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| 14:57:35 | pondlife | If that makes a difference |
| 14:57:36 | * | LambdaCalculus37 reminds disorganizer that beer talk is allowed |
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| 14:57:55 | pondlife | Yes, it was the Sansa selling that was OT |
| 14:58:14 | kugel | pondlife: Given that a pint is around 0,5l, I was doing so too ;) |
| 14:58:45 | pondlife | I feared as much |
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| 14:58:59 | Rincewind | kugel: 1.50€ in a pub/bar outside university? |
| 14:59:28 | kugel | Rincewind: 1,50 for a small, and 2,50 for a big beer :) |
| 14:59:43 | roolku | pondlife: did they post the player by royal mail or by courier? |
| 14:59:55 | pondlife | Royal Mail |
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| 15:00:03 | Rincewind | well, small isn't really comparable |
| 15:00:11 | roolku | nice :) |
| 15:00:23 | * | roolku orders one as well... |
| 15:00:44 | * | disorganizer reminds all that finding useful information in a beer conversation may be a hard job and that we have other channels :-P |
| 15:01:02 | * | pondlife reminds disorganizer that beer is explicitly on-topic. |
| 15:01:11 | disorganizer | we should definitely have #rockbox-beer |
| 15:01:14 | pondlife | But anyway, lunch time |
| 15:01:55 | petur | nah... beer is always ontopic |
| 15:02:16 | * | petur counts down... 2 hours to go |
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| 15:03:07 | * | pondlife worries about petur's general wellbeing |
| 15:03:42 | petur | just need some to flush away the frustrations ;) |
| 15:05:10 | kugel | What would you guys think about the possibily to give the list title another font than the list? |
| 15:05:23 | kugel | would require a setting more though |
| 15:07:51 | DerPapst | eh... that would be overkill imo. |
| 15:08:34 | Rincewind | having a different coulor for the title would be nice. |
| 15:08:53 | petur | theming stuff needs no setting |
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| 15:09:29 | Rincewind | are there objections about theme stuff having settings (but not settable on the device, only with config files)? |
| 15:10:10 | petur | no, that is the whole idea of the theme files |
| 15:10:46 | disorganizer | @rincewind: did you send out your application? and no, thats working as designed. |
| 15:10:59 | petur | maybe somebody could make a plugin to change theme settings though |
| 15:11:50 | Rincewind | disorganizer: it's not finished, yet. If I am done with procastination for today I write the remaining paragraphes |
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| 15:12:59 | kugel | petur: I didn't mean a setting to set on the player, only a theme.cfg one |
| 15:13:00 | disorganizer | petur: question is whether it really makes sense. with viewports the settings become more and more theme based in the future, so changing a setting of the vp's can easily destroy a theme |
| 15:13:33 | disorganizer | kugel: we only need to keep in mind that mf is a problem at the moment until someone comes up with a good font caching solution |
| 15:14:08 | kugel | disorganizer: sure, at this time the user could only decide between SYSFONT and FONT_UI ofc |
| 15:14:35 | kugel | petur: I have this customlist patch (FS #8799), and I'm thinking about splitting the list title from the list, in order for more customization |
| 15:16:09 | kugel | Anyway, I'm gonna need some help with someone who is a bit more into remotes |
| 15:16:55 | * | disorganizer still hopes the statusbar soon gets viewportified via an official patch |
| 15:18:14 | kugel | disorganizer: depends. Without the possibily to set the statusbar viewport elsewhere, I don't see much sense in that |
| 15:18:37 | * | petur doesn't care much about all this customizing stuff |
| 15:19:03 | * | kugel hopes that JdGordon_ viewportifies the quickscreen again |
| 15:21:19 | * | pondlife just wants the status bar to be shared between default WPS and menus |
| 15:21:29 | kugel | disorganizer: want to see my latest version of the customlist patch? |
| 15:21:52 | kugel | pondlife: How do you mean that? That the default wps shows the statusbar? |
| 15:22:05 | kugel | afaik cabbiev2 menu shows statusbar |
| 15:22:09 | pondlife | That would be one solution |
| 15:22:33 | pondlife | But the default WPS doesn't currently show the statusbar, it uses it's own "icons" |
| 15:22:36 | disorganizer | @kugel: did you see linuxstb's hack? you could have a statusbar above and below the list |
| 15:22:41 | pondlife | That's what I want |
| 15:22:47 | kugel | disorganizer: Yes, I did |
| 15:23:04 | disorganizer | that would be the ideal solution |
| 15:23:14 | kugel | pondlife: Ah, and you want the wps statusbar to be shown in the menus? |
| 15:23:15 | pondlife | That remains the single use I would have for viewports |
| 15:23:29 | pondlife | kugel: Yes, or the menus status bar on the wps |
| 15:23:34 | pondlife | Consistent though |
| 15:23:57 | disorganizer | well in fact, i would like to popup the list-viewport ontop of the wps, while the wps still updates its non-hidden tags :-) |
| 15:24:09 | pondlife | Currently it jumps around and changes it's look completely ;) |
| 15:24:14 | disorganizer | for example replace the AA-viewport with the list-vp ;-) |
| 15:24:22 | pondlife | disorganizer: Viewports cannot overlap |
| 15:24:43 | disorganizer | well, there was a concept-hack where they didnt have to |
| 15:25:41 | pondlife | Indeed, but "ontop" was your word |
| 15:25:47 | disorganizer | visually ontop |
| 15:25:59 | disorganizer | covering parts of the wps |
| 15:26:22 | disorganizer | also, that was what i WANT, which need not be what i GET ;-) |
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| 15:26:40 | disorganizer | i wonder if the following would make sense: |
| 15:27:12 | disorganizer | if we had a wps-like file for the statusbar, one of its viewports could be defined as "use for rockbox" as a kind of placeholder. |
| 15:28:00 | disorganizer | rockbox would then load this screen-layout first and use the designated vp as parent for all things to display... |
| 15:28:05 | disorganizer | ... the list, the wps, ... |
| 15:28:22 | pondlife | Nico_P: You going to commit jhMikeS' patch, or let him do it? |
| 15:29:13 | amiconn | Expensive shipment to germany... same costs as the sansa itself :( |
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| 15:31:17 | disorganizer | @kugel: regarding the viewport concept: what is the function of the parent-vp? |
| 15:31:54 | kugel | the parent is the whole screen |
| 15:32:12 | pondlife | For viewports on remotes? |
| 15:32:14 | disorganizer | but whats its function? |
| 15:32:37 | kugel | and if you set current_vp = active, you can clear&update the whole screen, and not only the (possibly) smaller viewports |
| 15:32:48 | kugel | current_vp = parent |
| 15:32:53 | disorganizer | can a child only display things inside their parent viewport? |
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| 15:33:12 | kugel | sure |
| 15:33:19 | disorganizer | and a child can also have childs? |
| 15:33:25 | kugel | but the parent is allways max dimensions |
| 15:33:28 | disorganizer | to which he is parent? |
| 15:33:42 | disorganizer | -he +it |
| 15:34:02 | kugel | disorganizer: viewports don't really have a parent. this parent is an exception. |
| 15:34:15 | disorganizer | too bad :-) would be nice |
| 15:34:46 | disorganizer | we could define a parent and just give the rockbox contexts a child-vp as parent for their own vp definitions |
| 15:34:54 | kugel | "childs" are only other viewports, not really childs in sense of inheritance |
| 15:35:05 | disorganizer | i dont mean inheritance here. |
| 15:35:23 | disorganizer | you can also have childs without inheriting anything to them, just for limiting their display space |
| 15:35:53 | disorganizer | so what we could do is: we use a wps-like cfg-file for the main vp (i dont call it parent on purpose). |
| 15:36:27 | disorganizer | this could define for example a viewport 0|0|200|10 and display time there, and a vp 0|50|200|10 and display batt+volume there, but.... |
| 15:36:39 | kugel | Don't change the parent vp |
| 15:36:54 | kugel | you will get the behavior you know from JdGordon_ old list-vp patch |
| 15:36:56 | disorganizer | ... also a vp 0|10|200|40 which will be defined as "context vp" |
| 15:37:07 | Rincewind | amiconn: got my private message? |
| 15:37:11 | kugel | the parent is needed in order to update&clear the whole screen |
| 15:37:15 | disorganizer | @kugel: wait a second |
| 15:38:10 | disorganizer | if we change contexts, the content of the "context vp" will be given to the other context to fill it. the only thing we need to do: get the screen updated outside the context vp. |
| 15:38:52 | disorganizer | in linuxstb's patch, i did change the main-vp and the updates worked. so the problem only exists in jdgordons original patch, not in the statusbar-hack of linuxstb. i didnt look into what he exactly did though |
| 15:38:56 | * | petur fails to see any advantage in this whole vp parent-child thinking. KISS! |
| 15:39:06 | disorganizer | -linuxstb's patch +linuxstb's hack |
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| 15:39:46 | kugel | disorganizer: did you change the parent's dimensions? |
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| 15:40:05 | disorganizer | petur: the advantage imho is that you have one file where you define the general rockbox layout (content which is shown in all contexts) and the config files for the contexts themselves are in their own files/settings |
| 15:40:10 | disorganizer | kugel: yes |
| 15:40:38 | kugel | disorganizer: but this empty space got filled by the statusbar, which was updated? |
| 15:40:40 | disorganizer | kugel: and the trackinfo/time etc were updating while showing a list in the front |
| 15:40:50 | disorganizer | kugel: there was no empty space |
| 15:41:36 | kugel | disorganizer: see, only empty space doesn't get updated |
| 15:41:53 | disorganizer | ??? i dont get what you mean |
| 15:42:05 | kugel | disorganizer: if the the parent's dimensions and the statusbar's dimensions fill together the whole screen, then there's no problem |
| 15:42:20 | petur | disorganizer: it looks to me you are thinking of an overly complex system for some relatively simple layout stuff we need to do |
| 15:42:40 | disorganizer | a theme which is designed good should have fitting vp's together with no spaces in between except for the backdrop |
| 15:42:57 | pondlife | We just need a top-level subdivision of the screen surely. |
| 15:43:15 | disorganizer | pondlife: thats exaclty what i meant |
| 15:43:16 | kugel | disorganizer: the problem of JdGordon_'s old list.vp patch was, that he changed the parent (reduced the dimensions), but he didn't fill it up with an updating viewport, so the parts weren't updated |
| 15:43:32 | pondlife | So no need for "depth" or parent/child relationships |
| 15:44:20 | disorganizer | pondlife: whats your problem with parent/child relations? |
| 15:44:44 | pondlife | No big problem, I just don't see a need |
| 15:44:44 | pondlife | simple is good |
| 15:44:54 | petur | disorganizer: what's your obsession with parent-child relations? |
| 15:45:05 | kugel | hehe |
| 15:45:12 | amiconn | parent/child might in fact be needed (but no z-order) |
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| 15:45:16 | disorganizer | petur: dont answer a question with a question |
| 15:45:22 | petur | can we please keep it simple |
| 15:45:32 | disorganizer | amicon: nobody talked about z-order (overlapping) |
| 15:45:57 | pondlife | Parent/child in this case means "containing", right? |
| 15:46:03 | disorganizer | yes |
| 15:46:14 | disorganizer | just a pointer to a struct which contains other structs |
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| 15:46:22 | disorganizer | (well, or so) |
| 15:46:55 | * | disorganizer should propably verbalize the idea in another way: |
| 15:47:27 | disorganizer | lets say we have a "rockboxmain.cfg" which defines the general look in wps syntax |
| 15:47:38 | kugel | nah, if a parent-child relation, i'd copy the parent's dimensions into the child. and set the max dimensions not to LCD_WIDTH,_HEIGHT etc but to the dimensions of the parent |
| 15:48:05 | disorganizer | kugel: whats your obsession with inheritance? |
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| 15:48:11 | disorganizer | :-P |
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| 15:48:57 | kugel | I think it's most logical that the child is limited by the parent, not by the lcd bounds |
| 15:49:52 | * | petur fails to see this whole max dimension stuff being different than the LCD size + limited by not allowing overlapping |
| 15:50:47 | disorganizer | a cfg defines the main structure of the rockbox screen in wps syntax: |
| 15:50:49 | kugel | petur: overlapping is only dissalowed for wps afaik |
| 15:50:54 | disorganizer | wrong paste... |
| 15:50:55 | pondlife | I think the key question is do we have an idea of viewport-within-a-viewport or not |
| 15:50:59 | disorganizer | http://pastebin.com/m2d97f433 |
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| 15:51:12 | disorganizer | just to make it easier to read |
| 15:51:12 | kugel | actually, the wps viewports overlap actually with the parent |
| 15:51:14 | pondlife | I think not, only viewport-within-a-display |
| 15:51:30 | pondlife | Hence no real need for parent/child |
| 15:51:34 | disorganizer | we do have viewport within viewport already. also parent relation |
| 15:51:48 | petur | bugger |
| 15:51:51 | pondlife | Hmm, why? |
| 15:52:02 | pondlife | linuxstb: ping...? |
| 15:52:11 | linuxstb | disorganizer: We do and we don't... pondlife's description of viewport within a display is more accurate. |
| 15:52:35 | amiconn | kugel: The rule is that active viewports must not overlap. You can subdivide a viewport, but then you must not draw into both the parent and the child(ren) at the same time |
| 15:52:35 | linuxstb | i.e. there is a default viewport that covers the whole display, but that's really just for convenience in the LCD driver. |
| 15:52:59 | pondlife | We have multiple displays (think remotes). Each can have a set of viewports. |
| 15:53:01 | kugel | linuxstb: that's what I though too, and told disorganizer allready :) |
| 15:53:11 | pondlife | That's how it works in my head anyway! |
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| 15:54:34 | disorganizer | any1 read my pastebin? |
| 15:55:01 | kugel | linuxstb: good that you are here. You posted in the comments of my customlist patch, that I ignore remotes. That's not true, I just didn't get to remotes, since I haven't a remote to test. |
| 15:55:31 | kugel | linuxstb: but now, where my list code works, I try to implement remotes. But I'm getting some problems since I'm not familiar with remotes at all |
| 15:55:45 | pondlife | Remotes are just more screens |
| 15:55:59 | pondlife | (From a certain level at least.) |
| 15:56:01 | disorganizer | @linuxstb: how did you manage to let the wps-info update in the sb-hack? |
| 15:56:20 | kugel | pondlife: sure, that's how I did it as of now. Though a h300 sim crashes at start, and I don't know where to start :) |
| 15:56:33 | pondlife | kugel: gdb is your friend |
| 15:56:33 | linuxstb | disorganizer: I don't understand what you mean - why wouldn't it update? |
| 15:57:02 | kugel | would be nice if someone would point me to a decent tutorial for gdb |
| 15:57:16 | linuxstb | kugel: Search for places in Rockbox that do things with NB_SCREENS |
| 15:57:26 | linuxstb | And look at screen_access.[ch] |
| 15:57:37 | Nico_P | pondlife: I was planning on letting him commit it |
| 15:57:40 | disorganizer | @linuxstb: in jdgordons "old" list-vp patch the wps content did not update, as only the main vp size was modified. so how did you manage to implement the sb-hack (in simple words, im blond) |
| 15:57:48 | pondlife | Nico_P: OK, just wondered |
| 15:58:16 | kugel | linuxstb: I have implemented remotes (at least I should have). |
| 15:58:24 | linuxstb | disorganizer: My patch is a statusbar - which is designed to update... |
| 15:58:25 | Nico_P | I wouldn't be capable of explaining what it changes apart from improved responsiveness |
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| 15:58:54 | kugel | I create a info viewport for each screen, and fill it with the customlist settings ([remotes_]list_vp_config) |
| 15:59:33 | kugel | looks like this http://pastebin.ca/960883 |
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| 16:00:22 | kugel | I'm under the impression that that should work, but it doesn't actually |
| 16:01:02 | kugel | that's my viewport.c btw http://pastebin.ca/960885 |
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| 16:02:55 | kugel | linuxstb: did you spot anything obvously wrong? |
| 16:04:48 | disorganizer | linuxstb: would my idea described in the pastebin make sense? |
| 16:06:19 | kugel | He seems to avoid our questions :p |
| 16:07:18 | scorche|sh | or is just busy... |
| 16:07:25 | disorganizer | or has something else to do |
| 16:07:32 | * | disorganizer really IS slow today |
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| 16:25:05 | linuxstb | kugel: One problem is that your viewport_parse_viewport() function doesn't take account of the depth of the actual screen - i.e. screens[screen].depth |
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| 16:25:49 | linuxstb | kugel: You just need to copy my original parse_viewport() function... |
| 16:26:49 | kugel | I thought my #ifdefs work, but I'll try |
| 16:29:15 | linuxstb | The #ifdefs just decide which code is compiled - you still need if() statements to check for the characteristics of the LCD being processed (main/remote) |
| 16:30:56 | kugel | yea |
| 16:31:11 | kugel | ahh yea, you are right |
| 16:31:30 | kugel | my dumbness |
| 16:32:45 | kugel | still crashes, a little later though |
| 16:34:15 | kugel | "*** glibc detected *** ./rockboxui: free(): invalid pointer: 0x00000000028ba6c0 ***" is the error msg at crashing |
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| 16:41:48 | * | disorganizer wonders if viewports containing viewports would be possible and make sense. especially when we some day maybe get conditionals for vp display |
| 16:46:06 | * | disorganizer will read logs later |
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| 17:25:04 | Beta2K | So, onwards to debate :) |
| 17:25:28 | Llorean | Beta2K: The GSoC page doesn't necessarily mean "support the whole database format" as much as "keep things like playcount in sync between the two" |
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| 17:26:04 | Llorean | A means of making Rockbox interact with their database so that information that can be is preserved between the two. |
| 17:26:48 | Beta2K | But not nesisarily the actual playlists and song listing? |
| 17:26:56 | kugel | What's the difference between HAVE_LCD_REMOTE and HAVE_REMOTE_LCD ?? |
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| 17:27:05 | kugel | I've seen both |
| 17:27:07 | linuxstb | kugel: One is right, one is wrong... |
| 17:27:44 | kugel | i guess the latter is right, since grep didn't found HAVE_LCD_REMOTE in firmware/export |
| 17:27:46 | Llorean | Beta2K: Rockbox is going to need to look for actual tags on the file anyway, as we support more tags than they do. Importing playlists might be good though. |
| 17:28:53 | scorche|sh | is this idea for something going into the core? |
| 17:28:54 | Beta2K | Integral RockboxDB/iTunesDB plaaycount tracking with a plugin playlist import? |
| 17:29:26 | domonoky | can somebody tell my why this talkclip: http://www.retrospektiwe.de/The%20Last%20Supper.mp3.talk is cut off in rockbox, but decodes fine with rbspeex ? it also plays fine if you hover of the talk clip, and it says : "Talkclip The Last Supper" |
| 17:29:48 | kugel | linuxstb: ...........that was the reason my patch didn't work for remotes. those "HAVE_LCD_REMOTE" confused me |
| 17:29:53 | linuxstb | kugel: Yes, HAVE_LCD_REMOTE seems wrong, but no harm is done, as all targets with remote have a main LCD with depth > 1 (I think...) |
| 17:30:10 | Beta2K | scorche, playcount in the core, playlists/other things in a plugin I'm currently thinking... |
| 17:30:19 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes, it works by chance... |
| 17:30:41 | scorche | i dont think anything relating to the ipodDB should be in the core |
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| 17:31:32 | amiconn | I don't think rockbox should support the itunes (or any other OF) database |
| 17:32:34 | scorche|sh | i am fine with it in a plugin or some computer program, but nothing in the core |
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| 17:32:40 | gevaerts | Actually, (partially) supporting the sansa database might provide a way to tell it not to rebuild it constantly |
| 17:33:28 | amiconn | When we'll have our own usb stack, you won't start the OF at all anymore |
| 17:33:42 | amiconn | I mean when we have it working properly, o course |
| 17:33:55 | Beta2K | amiconn/scorche, even if we're just updating the playcount DB? That's a totally seperateDb from teh music one |
| 17:34:14 | linuxstb | amiconn: Am I right in thinking that #includes should be protected in the .h file itself (i.e. backdrop.h) rather than in the .c files including that .h file? |
| 17:34:44 | gevaerts | Of course. I just hope we can have it working properly before anyone reverse engineers the sansa database :) |
| 17:34:48 | linuxstb | e.g. the #include "backdrop.h" in apps/filetree.c |
| 17:35:28 | linuxstb | And radio.h/keyboard.h in the same file don't need the #ifdefs either... |
| 17:35:52 | scorche|sh | Beta2K: can that not be done in a plugin or an external program? |
| 17:36:01 | Beta2K | I agree that many developers/coders would have little use for iTunes, but there's a large following of people who love it. |
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| 17:36:14 | Beta2K | Sure, it's just not automatic then right? |
| 17:36:32 | scorche|sh | who is to say which proprietary system we should support?...once we do one, the floodgates will open |
| 17:36:49 | noodlesgc | on the rockbox website it does not mention Creative mp3 players. Does rockbox support Creative? |
| 17:36:55 | scorche|sh | noodlesgc: not yet |
| 17:37:16 | noodlesgc | any idea on if and when they will be? |
| 17:37:40 | scorche|sh | nope...you can view the status of such efforts in the new ports forum |
| 17:38:08 | kugel | yay, I knew it :) My code works for remotes. It was technically only the damn HAVE_LCD_REMOTE (and the flaw linuxstb pointed me to previously) |
| 17:38:11 | noodlesgc | thanks |
| 17:39:13 | kugel | gonna upload the current patch |
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| 17:44:02 | Chipsaru | is that normal, that when i try to "make" from currently svn i get many errors like "VOICE_EXT_RWPS undeclared here (not in a function)"? |
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| 17:44:30 | linuxstb | Chipsaru: No |
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| 17:44:59 | linuxstb | Chipsaru: Which target are you compiling for? Also, are you working in a clean build directory, and did you re-run ../tools/configure? |
| 17:46:58 | Chipsaru | linuxstb i using cygwin configured by HowTo from rockwiki, for iriver h300 series |
| 17:47:32 | Chipsaru | linuxstb: yes, i re-runned configure |
| 17:48:06 | linuxstb | Did you delete everything in your build directory? e.g. "make clean"? |
| 17:48:14 | DerPapst | did you do "make clean"? |
| 17:48:22 | linuxstb | Also, have you got any patches applied to the source (or did you in the past)? |
| 17:48:44 | Chipsaru | it was newly created directory |
| 17:48:47 | kugel | Hmm, gonna upload later... |
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| 17:51:58 | Chipsaru | no, this is clear svn's source without any patches |
| 17:52:37 | DerPapst | do you build for the target or the sim? |
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| 17:52:57 | Chipsaru | for iriver h300 series |
| 17:53:22 | DerPapst | yes... i know. but the sim or the actual target? |
| 17:53:34 | Chipsaru | actual |
| 17:53:38 | jrsharp | hey all... is there a way to make the apple firmware the default firmware? I haven't found any docs on it yet... |
| 17:54:00 | scorche|sh | not without recompiling the bootloader |
| 17:54:20 | DerPapst | Chipsaru: and you're using the suggested gcc version too i guess? |
| 17:55:20 | jrsharp | scorche: Hmm.. well, I suppose I could do that... I had expected that others may have requested this and a method existed |
| 17:55:54 | Chipsaru | DerPapst: i done all steps from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
| 17:56:19 | DerPapst | that would be a yes then.... |
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| 17:56:51 | * | DerPapst is out of ideas for now... sorry. |
| 17:58:56 | Chipsaru | DerPapst: one detail - i use TortoiseSVN together with Cygwin using CR+LF, but i think this is not a problem |
| 17:59:44 | DerPapst | i wouldn't be sure about that... i've never used TortoiseSVN though |
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| 18:02:33 | Chipsaru | when i try to add a constants like VOICE_EXT_RWPS in english.lang it helps, but appears new errors like "VOICE_EXT_RWPS undeclared here (not in a function)" in other files... |
| 18:03:11 | DerPapst | could that be related to lang building? |
| 18:03:22 | DerPapst | just a wild guess... |
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| 18:04:01 | Llorean | TortoiseSVN has been known to cause some pretty strange problems like this. It could very well be the issue. |
| 18:04:48 | DerPapst | Chipsaru: you could try to download a current source snapshot archive and try to build that. |
| 18:05:10 | * | domonoky needs help with a voice issue: this talkfile http://www.retrospektiwe.de/The%20Last%20Supper.mp3.talk is cutoff when used in rockbox, in the sim it gives me: "sdl_audio_callback: No Data", but it decodes fine with rbspeexdec, what could be wrong ?? |
| 18:05:17 | DerPapst | Chipsaru: http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-source/rockbox.7z |
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| 18:05:42 | Chipsaru | i dont know why it shows me this errors, this is my first build, so all sources are only from current svn, without any patches |
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| 18:08:29 | Bagder | pixelma's mrobe100 image is now in use |
| 18:09:31 | gevaerts | \☺/ |
| 18:10:00 | Chipsaru | this solved this error, but new errors with other const names appears in another files... |
| 18:10:47 | Chipsaru | woops... not all text was sended |
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| 18:17:18 | Y-Signal | Shooould a stock rockbox be reasonably stable on a 5th gen ipod? |
| 18:17:27 | Bagder | yes |
| 18:17:30 | Beta2K | Yup |
| 18:17:42 | Y-Signal | Not crashing every 25 songs or so? |
| 18:17:52 | Y-Signal | Or when switching codecs for different song types? |
| 18:18:03 | Y-Signal | Or when somebody sneezes? |
| 18:18:09 | Y-Signal | Or upon contact with air? |
| 18:18:24 | Bagder | sneezing still kills it, but normal coughs are fine |
| 18:18:25 | mud-rb_ | ...we get the point. do you want help or just asking? |
| 18:19:04 | Y-Signal | Mainly just asking to make sure this is even normal or not |
| 18:19:26 | Y-Signal | But during an 8-hour workday, I have to reboot this thing at least three times |
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| 18:19:37 | Y-Signal | Is there any likely cause? |
| 18:19:38 | scorche|sh | which build are you running? |
| 18:19:47 | mud-rb_ | i have a different player, but i've only had rockbox crash once total, that's definitely not normal |
| 18:21:04 | Y-Signal | Yesterday's I believe |
| 18:21:28 | Y-Signal | quote the rockbox: r168198-080326 |
| 18:21:50 | mud-rb_ | has it always been like that? |
| 18:24:39 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: ping |
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| 18:27:21 | Horscht | yes, ping |
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| 18:28:06 | Y-Signal | Hard to say; it only really became evident when I started using rockbox more at work. May have been like that from the start, may not have. |
| 18:28:16 | Y-Signal | Take that as a no, I suppose |
| 18:28:25 | Llorean | Y-Signal: What happens when it "crashes" |
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| 18:46:32 | Y-Signal | yawn |
| 18:46:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | Looks like MTP support under Linux is improving big time: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2008/03/improved-mtp-support-for-linux.php |
| 18:46:37 | Y-Signal | work :P |
| 18:47:10 | Y-Signal | When it crashes, either it freezes totally with an un-lit screen so that I'm unable to read if there's an error message, but other times it's lit and freezes with an error in the upper-left corner |
| 18:47:28 | Llorean | Y-Signal: The error will provide some more clues. |
| 18:47:43 | Y-Signal | I bet I could incite one right now if you want the code |
| 18:48:47 | TaylorKillian | hey, I am intersted in developing an ARM emulator for gsoc. |
| 18:49:29 | TaylorKillian | does anybody know what all needs to be added to SkyEye in order for it to be acceptable for rockbox emulation? |
| 18:49:48 | * | DerPapst wonders how many slots rockbox has for gsoc projects... |
| 18:50:19 | Llorean | TaylorKillian: I believe the goal is going to be emulation of the other misc hardwares in the ARM-based players too, but I'm not certain. |
| 18:50:28 | scorche|sh | DerPapst: slots get assigned after student apps are over |
| 18:50:28 | Llorean | DerPapst: IIRC we had 4 last year. I don't know what that means for this year though |
| 18:50:40 | * | DerPapst nods |
| 18:51:10 | domonoky | yes the arm emulator should be able to run rockbox, and one or many of the original firmwares of our players, i think.. |
| 18:51:21 | Y-Signal | Oh, well, i've gotten the midnight freeze |
| 18:51:23 | Y-Signal | can't read it |
| 18:51:29 | Y-Signal | anybody have a flashlight? |
| 18:51:42 | DerPapst | meh, domonoky, beat me ;-) |
| 18:51:52 | Y-Signal | ata abort mean anything? |
| 18:52:04 | Y-Signal | Data abort, rather |
| 18:52:21 | Llorean | Y-Signal: What type of files are you playing? |
| 18:52:22 | TaylorKillian | so what is lacking from SkyEye? It looks pretty complete at first glance. |
| 18:52:26 | Y-Signal | at 400002E0 (0) |
| 18:52:28 | Y-Signal | mp3s |
| 18:52:35 | Y-Signal | nothing but mp3 right now |
| 18:52:52 | Y-Signal | other times, .spc , it REALLY hates them |
| 18:52:53 | Llorean | Try updating to the latest version, and see if it continues. If so, file a bug report in the tracker. |
| 18:53:00 | Llorean | Oh... |
| 18:53:09 | Llorean | Are you using the Rockbox bootloader, or did you install Loader2? |
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| 18:53:38 | domonoky | TaylorKillian: i dont really know whats missing in sykeye for rockbox, but i would think the differen peripherals you different arm based players have.. |
| 18:53:46 | DerPapst | eh... my wps is broken without changing it o.O |
| 18:53:49 | domonoky | s/you/ our |
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| 18:55:06 | domonoky | TaylorKillian: do you have a rockboxable, arm based player ? |
| 18:55:17 | TaylorKillian | domonoky: gotcha |
| 18:55:37 | TaylorKillian | domonoky: yes |
| 18:56:12 | domonoky | good :-) |
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| 18:58:19 | TaylorKillian | guess i'll just have to compile skyeye ;) |
| 18:58:32 | * | bluebrother is puzzled why the install window doesn't close after a successful install anymore :/ |
| 18:59:03 | Y-Signal | Maaan |
| 18:59:31 | Y-Signal | I kinda doubt it's been patched in a day after occurring for months, but here goes |
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| 19:00:32 | Llorean | Y-Signal: You didn't answer my question about what bootloader you're using. |
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| 19:02:33 | Y-Signal | I didn't see it |
| 19:02:56 | Y-Signal | it's no specialized loader; whatever rockbox uses |
| 19:03:04 | Y-Signal | I assumed there WAS only that one |
| 19:03:12 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:03:25 | domonoky | maybe its to old, try updating the bootloader |
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| 19:04:11 | Y-Signal | Easily found on the rockbox site I hope? |
| 19:04:23 | Llorean | Y-Signal: Just re-follow the instructions in the manual. |
| 19:04:43 | domonoky | just use ipodpatcher or rbutil again.. |
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| 19:06:19 | Y-Signal | got it |
| 19:06:40 | Y-Signal | yippee, no ipods found |
| 19:06:55 | DerPapst | would it be possible to add the revision number of the source tarball on the current build page? |
| 19:06:59 | Y-Signal | though my ipod says Do not disconnect |
| 19:07:01 | Y-Signal | in black and white |
| 19:07:06 | Y-Signal | the mode of the disk |
| 19:07:26 | Y-Signal | So, then, tell me about loader2 |
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| 19:08:03 | Y-Signal | Is it...less bad? |
| 19:08:14 | DerPapst | Loader 2 is iPodLinux bootloader. If you don't have it installed don't do so :-P |
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| 19:08:25 | domonoky | loader2 is not ours, so its bad :-) |
| 19:08:33 | DerPapst | Since it's not officially supported by rockbox. |
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| 19:08:56 | DerPapst | *cough* it's not ];-> |
| 19:09:09 | * | gevaerts hands DerPapst a throat lozenge |
| 19:09:18 | Y-Signal | ah |
| 19:09:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | Loader2 questions have to be asked to the iPodLinux guys. |
| 19:09:35 | Y-Signal | Well, all things considered over here....that makes it better than bad |
| 19:09:38 | Y-Signal | okay |
| 19:09:50 | Y-Signal | I'll give loader2 a try then |
| 19:09:56 | Y-Signal | looks infinitely bettah |
| 19:10:00 | * | DerPapst is one of those guys. |
| 19:10:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | You do, and you're going to #ipodlinux for support. |
| 19:10:32 | * | LambdaCalculus37 puts up a sign: "Loader2 questions this way −−−−>" |
| 19:10:44 | Y-Signal | I get it |
| 19:10:50 | DerPapst | Though i guess Llorean wanted to make sure you're not using it. |
| 19:11:38 | Llorean | Y-Signal: An old version of Loader2 could've caused problems very much like you were describing, which is why I wanted to make sure you were using an up to date Rockbox bootloader, because we don't provide support for their software. Though their current one should, in most cases, work as well as ours. |
| 19:11:48 | Y-Signal | So....before I head over there....Data Abort at 400002E0 (0) means nothing to you? |
| 19:11:53 | Llorean | The fact that it didn't like SPC made me worry, since that makes heavy use of Dual Core. |
| 19:12:16 | DerPapst | and i wonder why rbutil and/or ipodpatcher aren't detecting your iPod anymore. |
| 19:12:37 | Y-Signal | Crap if I know :P |
| 19:13:13 | Y-Signal | It DOES have to be disk mode, right? Waste of time trying in regular ipod transfer mode? |
| 19:13:43 | domonoky | both check the hardrive if it really is a ipod.. so is suspekt you firmwarepartition is somehow damaged.. |
| 19:13:47 | DerPapst | it should work in both modes |
| 19:14:26 | * | DerPapst almost never uses "emergency" Disk Mode |
| 19:18:18 | Y-Signal | How would I check the hdd? |
| 19:19:39 | * | gevaerts wonders when all these wonderful gsoc applications will magically appear |
| 19:20:20 | Beta2K | after we do 50% of the work for them |
| 19:20:38 | desowin | gevaerts: last day |
| 19:20:45 | * | domonoky thinks 5 min before end of deadline.. as always, thei are students ! :-) |
| 19:21:00 | desowin | or do you mean really the brilliant (in sense of useful and such) ones ;) |
| 19:21:40 | * | Rincewind could submit his half finished proposal to make gevaerts happy |
| 19:22:28 | * | gevaerts thinks that Rincewind might just have demonstrated Beta2K's point ;) |
| 19:22:47 | domonoky | and if we dont comment it, you have to leave it half- finished :-) |
| 19:23:49 | Horschti | a wesnoth developer showed me a very interesting application |
| 19:24:24 | Horschti | let me just find it |
| 19:24:39 | * | gevaerts hopes it was about porting wesnoth to rockbox, but somehow doubts that |
| 19:24:48 | Horschti | no, it was not |
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| 19:28:09 | Horschti | http://rafb.net/p/1xK8us57.html |
| 19:28:15 | Horschti | note lines 74 and 75 |
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| 19:29:32 | Y-Signal | Dooooes rockbox have a built-in disk check? Should I use Windows'? Should I use the ipod's service mode? |
| 19:30:11 | Y-Signal | BTW, another 400002E0 (0) |
| 19:30:59 | DerPapst | domonoky: iirc ipodpather refuses to detect the iPod too if the MBR doesn'T contain its magic. So the MBR could be slightly faulty too. |
| 19:31:30 | DerPapst | Y-Signal: just use windows chkdsk utillity |
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| 19:33:02 | domonoky | Horschti: this application is nice, even better then the ui studi application rockbox got :-) |
| 19:33:22 | Horschti | shome! |
| 19:33:47 | linuxstb | DerPapst: I think that check went a long time ago in ipodpatcher |
| 19:33:56 | gevaerts | At least he knows where his caps-lock key is |
| 19:34:18 | Horschti | yes, indeed |
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| 19:34:46 | Horschti | but have you checked the question wether or not he has ever played wesnoth? |
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| 19:34:57 | Chipsaru | Y-Signal: if you will use windows check disk, enable the "verify and repair faulty sectors" or something like that... |
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| 19:36:17 | * | gevaerts sometimes wonders how these people managed to get through enough schools to actually qualify for gsoc |
| 19:36:32 | Y-Signal | Came up clean as a newly-polished whistle |
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| 19:38:24 | DerPapst | linuxstb: haven't noticed. ;-) |
| 19:39:02 | DerPapst | Horschti: you don't have to play/use the game to code for it ;-) |
| 19:39:30 | Y-Signal | Eh, maybe I'll sit out on rockbox for another couple of months |
| 19:39:33 | Y-Signal | See if it fixes itself |
| 19:39:41 | Horschti | if you applay for coding an AI, you surely do, DerPapst |
| 19:39:54 | DerPapst | </ironie> :-P |
| 19:40:19 | bluebrother | Horschti: you're applying for wesnoth? |
| 19:40:21 | Horschti | ah, i always miss the leading sarcasnm tag |
| 19:40:27 | Horschti | no, bluebrother |
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| 19:40:30 | Horschti | I can't code |
| 19:40:47 | gevaerts | Horschti: if you code an AI, it means you actually don't want to play yourself, doesn't it ? |
| 19:41:01 | DerPapst | heh |
| 19:41:08 | bluebrother | ah. |
| 19:41:25 | Horschti | good point, but you do have to know how to play it, gevaerts |
| 19:42:12 | gevaerts | Y-Signal: Maybe you could try older builds ? |
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| 19:44:40 | gevaerts | Horschti: not if you make a self-learning AI |
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| 19:45:20 | Horschti | you have to know the rules... |
| 19:45:37 | Horschti | don't try to defend your application, gevaerts |
| 19:45:47 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/03/28/sansa-fuze-ams-reuse/ |
| 19:46:28 | mud-rb | is the USB_SERIAL stuff out of date? i'm not seeing anything about 'logf over USB' in the debug menu... (yes i defined USB_SERIAL and USE_ROCKBOX_USB) |
| 19:46:50 | linuxstb | Did you enable logf in configure? |
| 19:47:19 | Llorean | Bagder: We really do have a lot of potential targets these days, don't we? |
| 19:47:24 | mud-rb | hmm, i thought that was on by default. i'll check |
| 19:47:26 | Bagder | we do indeed |
| 19:47:37 | * | gevaerts hoped that Horschti wouldn't find out :) |
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| 20:00:01 | mud-rb | so defining LOGF_ENABLE, USB_ROCKBOX_USB, and USB_SERIAL should be all that's required for logf over USB, right? i still don't see anything in the debug menu... |
| 20:00:24 | gevaerts | mud-rb: you have to enable logf during ./configure |
| 20:01:29 | mud-rb | gevaerts: oh, i see...thanks. misunderstood linuxstb |
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| 20:41:14 | Y-Signal | ..... |
| 20:41:31 | Y-Signal | gev, I ran older builds and was told to run newer builds... |
| 20:41:50 | Y-Signal | Where can I ask about the error code my ipod gives me? |
| 20:42:08 | gevaerts | Y-Signal: sure, but once we know the problem still exists in the latest build, we want to try to isolate when it started |
| 20:43:09 | * | gevaerts tries to look through map files to find the data abort |
| 20:45:30 | gevaerts | Y-Signal: you mentioned version r168198-080326. That's one digit too many. Could you check the version again ? |
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| 20:49:27 | Coffee | Hello? |
| 20:49:52 | Coffee | Question - does anyone have c250 on-hand? |
| 20:49:58 | advcomp2019 | Coffee, just explain your issue |
| 20:51:07 | Coffee | Well, I have a c250 that's bricked, the bootloader's there-and-not, and despite using e200tools and the right pribootloader file, it's not working so hot. |
| 20:51:50 | gevaerts | Y-Signal: could you try version 16712 from http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=ipodvideo ? (You do have a 5G ipod, right ?) |
| 20:52:03 | gevaerts | Coffee: what exactly happens ? |
| 20:52:27 | Coffee | Just a sec, I'll do it again so I can give you a rough estimation of what the rockbox bootloader gives. |
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| 20:52:43 | * | gevaerts wonders why hard-to-recover problems always seem to occur on c250 and never on c240 |
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| 20:53:23 | gevaerts | Y-Signal: And if 16712 works, please try 16718 |
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| 20:55:29 | * | gevaerts suspects r16717 for Y-Signal's problems. 0x400002E0 seems to be in sample_output_stereo(), which was implemented in arm-assembly then |
| 20:55:31 | Coffee | Letsee, I caught "bad checksum" (.mi4 isn't there), can't load OF.bin, nor OF.mi4 ... |
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| 20:56:25 | Coffee | I'm glad to see that the pribootloader works and all, but, er ... I'm kind of at a loss for what to do now. |
| 20:57:01 | gevaerts | Coffee: so you put it in recovery mode ? Did you copy firmware.mi4 to it, or only pribootLoader.rom ? Did you cleanly unmount (safely remove in windows) the recovery drive ? |
| 20:58:14 | Coffee | Just a sec, it's flashing green. |
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| 21:02:34 | Coffee | Well, this is going to sound remedial, but I'm uncertain if it's in recovery mode. |
| 21:03:16 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:03:28 | gevaerts | In recovery mode, the screen says things like 'LUN locked' or similar |
| 21:03:54 | Coffee | ... Well, then I guess it's definitely not. |
| 21:04:53 | gevaerts | Just to get more insight in what's going on, how did it get into this state in the first place ? |
| 21:05:35 | Coffee | This is going to sound retarded, but I think it boils down to getting the wrong firmware and totally borking it. |
| 21:06:03 | Coffee | It was intended for the c200 series, I think, but after it "upgraded firmware" as it's won't to do, blam. Black screen, blue ring of death. |
| 21:06:33 | gevaerts | OK. That should be fixable |
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| 21:06:53 | gevaerts | Does it show the blue ring now ? |
| 21:07:03 | Coffee | *"won't" keeps getting autofixed by Pidgin, my bad. |
| 21:07:06 | Coffee | And yes, yes it is. |
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| 21:08:01 | gevaerts | Then it's in manufacturer mode. What OS are you running ? |
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| 21:08:23 | Coffee | Hardy Heron alpha herd ... 6 now? |
| 21:08:23 | * | linuxstb has yet to experience the pleasures of the Sansa recovery modes |
| 21:08:25 | luisbg | does rockbox work in iPod classic¿ |
| 21:08:40 | Coffee | *Ubuntu Hardy Heron, that is. |
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| 21:08:41 | petur | luisbg: no |
| 21:08:41 | linuxstb | luisbg: No, and no-one is working on it... |
| 21:08:49 | luisbg | :( |
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| 21:09:59 | gevaerts | Coffee: ok. You should be able to put it in recorvery mode by plugging it in and running 'sudo ./e200tool recover pribootLoader.rom'. |
| 21:10:10 | * | Coffee nods. |
| 21:10:39 | preglow | anyone remember how the directory/playlist limit settings are supposed to work? |
| 21:11:19 | gevaerts | By the way, how good is your linux knowledge ? (i.e. can I just say 'mount the disk', or do I have to spell it out ?) |
| 21:11:53 | luisbg | so which player would you guys recommend to use rockbox? |
| 21:12:20 | Coffee | I can follow along pretty well, although I'm a little shaky on /dev/ paths and the like, so mounting per se might require some instruction. |
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| 21:13:33 | gevaerts | OK. Do you see a device appearing in dmesg after putting it in recovery mode (/dev/sd*, should be about 16M)? |
| 21:14:45 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Your spot with Y-Signal's data abort seems right - it seems to be a data abort writing to the dst parameter (16-bit) to sample_output_stereo()... The C version does 16-bit writes. |
| 21:15:16 | Coffee | Mmmm, it seems to be powering off soon after running sudo ./e200tool recover pribootLoader.rom |
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| 21:15:38 | gevaerts | linuxstb: it was just an informed guess. Look it up in the map file, and then svn log... |
| 21:15:56 | gevaerts | Coffee: is the hold switch on by any chance ? |
| 21:16:05 | Coffee | Nope. |
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| 21:16:25 | Rincewind | gevaerts: you can start to get nervous, there is a gsoc application coming up! |
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| 21:17:09 | gevaerts | Rincewind: I'm busy helping Coffee now, so you're spared comments for a bit longer |
| 21:17:27 | Rincewind | well, I start to get nervous, at least :) |
| 21:18:03 | * | DerPapst thinks Rincewind's app will get accepted... it's a good idea. |
| 21:18:06 | * | gevaerts grabs his sansa and puts it into manufacturer mode to see what should happen |
| 21:18:56 | siwy | hey, I request a write access to wiki. I want add my script (which you can find at forum: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15428). |
| 21:19:28 | * | linuxstb wonders if there are any pcmbuf/dsp experts around that can say whether the "destination" buffer for the DSP code is 32-bit aligned |
| 21:19:32 | gevaerts | Coffee: after you ran e200tool, did the sansa logo appear on the screen before it turned off ? |
| 21:19:43 | Coffee | Yes. |
| 21:19:51 | * | Coffee was reassured by this. |
| 21:20:53 | BigBambi | siwy: What is your wiki name? |
| 21:21:38 | siwy | MateuszKubica |
| 21:22:26 | BigBambi | siwy: Done, have fun :) |
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| 21:22:43 | Coffee | ... Oh dear. |
| 21:22:44 | siwy | thank you vey much |
| 21:23:34 | gevaerts | Coffee: I'm looking for some software that I have here somewhere that should help |
| 21:23:56 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Has the SoC application you replied to been modified after your comments? |
| 21:24:06 | gevaerts | linuxstb: yes |
| 21:24:07 | austrian_guest | Does anyone here know how I can change the recording sample rate with the plugin api? |
| 21:24:13 | linuxstb | gevaerts: ... |
| 21:24:15 | scorche|sh | linuxstb: sadly, it has.. |
| 21:24:16 | * | Coffee nods. |
| 21:24:22 | luisbg | so which player would you guys recommend to use rockbox? looking something big like ipod classic |
| 21:24:23 | Coffee | Thank you very much gevaerts. |
| 21:24:47 | DerPapst | howmany apps are there already? |
| 21:24:55 | Bagder | luisbg: rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide |
| 21:24:58 | scorche|sh | not near enough |
| 21:25:39 | Bagder | DerPapst: 1 |
| 21:25:48 | DerPapst | heh |
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| 21:26:26 | DerPapst | 2 with Rincewind's... does the one interessted in LLVM make one too? |
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| 21:27:04 | linuxstb | Someone has also shown an interest in the RealAudio codec(s) |
| 21:27:21 | DerPapst | right... forget that one. |
| 21:27:32 | Rincewind | DerPapst: don't forget your own! |
| 21:27:36 | DerPapst | ;-) |
| 21:28:06 | gevaerts | Coffee: download http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/c250erase |
| 21:28:18 | * | DerPapst is unsure a bit. the core is more important then a game... |
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| 21:28:42 | scorche|sh | DerPapst: well, do something! ;) |
| 21:28:44 | bluebrother | DerPapst: apply for something core-ish ;-) |
| 21:28:50 | Coffee | chmod +x, move zig? |
| 21:28:57 | scorche|sh | (you can always submit multiple apps too..) |
| 21:29:04 | gevaerts | DerPapst: a game is probably more important than _nothing_, which is right now still possible |
| 21:29:25 | gevaerts | Coffee: chmod +x |
| 21:29:51 | mud-rb_ | is there a limit on the number of students, or can you just accept everyone with a good proposal? |
| 21:29:59 | gevaerts | Coffee: This tool will erase everything on your c250, after which the e200tool procedure should work |
| 21:30:05 | DerPapst | decission is up to google iirc |
| 21:30:06 | Bagder | mud-rb: we get N slots assigned |
| 21:30:12 | Bagder | last year we got 4 |
| 21:30:18 | mud-rb_ | ah, i see |
| 21:30:36 | Bagder | and then we pick the N "best" applications for which we have mentors |
| 21:31:05 | gevaerts | Coffee: put the device back in manufacturer mode (the blue ring one), plug it in, and the run 'sudo ./c250erase'. Ignore the mentions of e200r (I didn't polish this tool, I just needed it to work...) |
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| 21:31:45 | Coffee | Patching application uploaded successfully? |
| 21:31:53 | Coffee | Huh. |
| 21:31:55 | preglow | anyone here got any mp3pro files? |
| 21:31:59 | Coffee | It appears to be working! :) |
| 21:32:12 | scorche|sh | preglow: i would probably encode some.... |
| 21:32:16 | gevaerts | Coffee: ok. this will take some time (between 20 and 40 minutes) |
| 21:32:19 | preglow | scorche|sh: would be sweet |
| 21:32:29 | preglow | eh |
| 21:32:37 | preglow | i don't have an encoder :> |
| 21:32:44 | Coffee | :) |
| 21:32:45 | preglow | and there doesn't seem to be a free one |
| 21:32:46 | Coffee | Hooray! |
| 21:32:47 | scorche|sh | preglow: musical taste? =P |
| 21:32:52 | preglow | scorche|sh: oh, whatever |
| 21:33:24 | preglow | i listen to just about anything |
| 21:33:41 | DerPapst | grindcore? |
| 21:33:45 | DerPapst | :-P |
| 21:33:56 | Coffee | gevaerts: Thanks, man. |
| 21:34:15 | preglow | DerPapst: grindcore would be a notable exception :) i find it exceedingly boring music |
| 21:34:18 | gevaerts | Coffee: it seems that the sansa 'recovery mode' is pretty sensitive to unexpected things on flash (like failed firmware upgrades, ntfs filesystems, ...). I'm not sure why it's even called recovery mode sometimes |
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| 21:34:48 | Coffee | Eh, it's like recovery from drug addiction. |
| 21:34:52 | Chipsaru | preglow: grindcore so sweet music... why boring? |
| 21:34:52 | Coffee | Annoying relapses. |
| 21:35:20 | preglow | Chipsaru: i just think it's boring, it's usually too straightforward to interest me |
| 21:35:46 | preglow | for pretty much the same reason i find speedcore uninteresting, it's all speed and nothing else |
| 21:35:49 | preglow | but this is off-topic |
| 21:36:11 | scorche|sh | preglow: actually, it seems i need to go home and see if i still have a certain program on there...dont have anything capable on my laptop here |
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| 21:36:19 | Coffee | Thanks, gevaerts. |
| 21:36:24 | Coffee | it seems to be working just fine. |
| 21:37:23 | preglow | scorche|sh: no worries |
| 21:38:00 | gevaerts | At some point the counting down will stop, it will write a few lines about partition tables and FAT, and then print 'Press any key to shutdown' (which might not fit on the screen). Once that happens, the e200tool procedure should work |
| 21:38:00 | Chipsaru | preglow: you need some mp3pro files? |
| 21:39:01 | preglow | Chipsaru: i would like some to debug playback of them in rockbox, yah |
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| 21:41:11 | linuxstb | preglow: http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/MP3-pro/ |
| 21:41:11 | scorche|sh | preglow: i take it we will probably play them at half sample rate? |
| 21:41:23 | preglow | scorche|sh: yeah |
| 21:41:30 | preglow | linuxstb: wow, thanks, i couldn't find any sample files |
| 21:41:36 | preglow | linuxstb: i should bookmark that... |
| 21:42:44 | DerPapst | preglow: i won't contradict you there ;-) |
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| 21:43:42 | * | scorche|sh wonders who uses mp3pro.. |
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| 21:43:55 | gevaerts | Could people who know PortalPlayer have a look at the latest two comments in FS #8663 ? |
| 21:44:13 | austrian_guest | preglow, you know a bit about the plugin api, especially the recording part, right? |
| 21:44:42 | austrian_guest | how can I change the recording sample rate with the plugin api? |
| 21:45:49 | preglow | austrian_guest: psm_set_frequency() |
| 21:46:25 | preglow | austrian_guest: pcm_set_frequency(SAMPR_44); for 44.1khz, for example |
| 21:47:01 | austrian_guest | do you know what "const unsigned long *rec_freq_sampr;" |
| 21:47:08 | austrian_guest | means? |
| 21:47:45 | austrian_guest | it is 88200, no matter what frequency I set with pcm_set_frequency! |
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| 21:48:02 | Chipsaru | where i can disable some buttons on remote forever? |
| 21:48:42 | mud-rb_ | Chipsaru: you probably can't without editing the source code |
| 21:48:59 | * | linuxstb hands Chipsaru a hammer |
| 21:49:03 | BigBambi | Chipsaru: Which target? |
| 21:49:14 | BigBambi | And yes, you need to edit the code then compile |
| 21:49:48 | Chipsaru | i asked about which source files i need to change |
| 21:50:00 | preglow | austrian_guest: i think it points to the list of supported recording sample rates |
| 21:50:05 | Chipsaru | iriver h300 |
| 21:50:07 | BigBambi | Chipsaru: Sorry, didn't see that |
| 21:50:49 | BigBambi | I took "<Chipsaru> where i can disable some buttons on remote forever?" to mean you were looking for a setting |
| 21:51:05 | preglow | austrian_guest: there are REC_NUM_FREQ entries in that table |
| 21:51:31 | Chipsaru | BigBambi: maybe there some text missing... |
| 21:51:32 | Horscht | ok, I am doing a UI study: rearange the main menu. |
| 21:51:40 | Rincewind | Chipsaru: apps/keymaps/keymap-h1x0_h3x0.c |
| 21:52:03 | Horscht | the current main menu seems to have no real logic in it's sorting |
| 21:52:19 | BigBambi | Chipsaru: Do you just want to remove the action from a button so it is detected but does nothing, or remove detection of that button altogether? |
| 21:52:27 | Chipsaru | Rincewind: thanks, are there keymaps for remote's also? |
| 21:52:29 | Bagder | gsoc application #2 arrived |
| 21:52:41 | BigBambi | Chipsaru: If the former, then apps/keymaps/keymap-h1x0_h3x0.c |
| 21:52:44 | preglow | sbr playback support looks nice here |
| 21:52:47 | preglow | Bagder: any nice ones? |
| 21:52:47 | Rincewind | Chipsaru: look at line 284 in the file |
| 21:52:55 | BigBambi | Chipsaru: As Rincewind said |
| 21:52:57 | Horscht | 2 already? wow, that's 4 times as many as I will ever write |
| 21:52:57 | scorche|sh | Bagder: oh...lets mark that one ineligible ;) |
| 21:53:02 | Bagder | rj c |
| 21:53:06 | Rincewind | preglow: I hope so, it is mine |
| 21:53:07 | Bagder | Rincewind: that yours? |
| 21:53:16 | BigBambi | Chipsaru: And that file has both main unit and remote buttons it it |
| 21:53:17 | Bagder | "Theme Editor" ? |
| 21:53:27 | Rincewind | Bagder: yes, that's me |
| 21:53:32 | Chipsaru | thanks a lot |
| 21:53:34 | preglow | what's the other one? |
| 21:53:42 | gevaerts | preglow: you don't want to know |
| 21:53:46 | Horscht | sounds like a windows Editor for creating themes |
| 21:53:52 | Bagder | preglow: '"Usability study" project for Rockbox' |
| 21:53:52 | scorche|sh | preglow: wont be accepted anyway.. |
| 21:53:59 | Horscht | (damn I am good) |
| 21:54:16 | Rincewind | Horscht: cross-platform, not only windows |
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| 21:54:50 | Horscht | yeah, you got my point. If it wasn't multi platform, I would have had to "take serious measurements" |
| 21:55:19 | Horscht | </joke> |
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| 21:58:54 | Chipsaru | if i put my notebook to sleep mode with running "make zip" command and then wake it, can cygwin resume its work? it seems to me, that it freeze (no processor/harddisk usage from this application) |
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| 21:59:19 | DerPapst | howlong doe it run already? |
| 21:59:28 | * | DerPapst adds a space |
| 21:59:51 | Chipsaru | about 10-15 minutes |
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| 22:00:07 | DerPapst | that is ways too long. |
| 22:00:12 | Rincewind | hm cygwin must be seriously slow if you are able to put the laptop to sleep before it finishes make zip... |
| 22:00:13 | DerPapst | even for cygwin |
| 22:01:47 | Chipsaru | if i terminate it, i only need to run "make zip" secondly, or some cleaning needed? |
| 22:02:09 | DerPapst | nope. just make zip should be fine |
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| 22:04:59 | preglow | when's the gsoc app deadline, again? |
| 22:05:17 | ceclin | its monday |
| 22:05:21 | ceclin | March 31 |
| 22:05:21 | DerPapst | 31.03 |
| 22:05:35 | preglow | what, and we've only got two apps? |
| 22:05:38 | scorche|sh | preglow: although it will likely be extended |
| 22:05:41 | preglow | that sucks |
| 22:05:42 | ceclin | you may be getting a third from me |
| 22:05:46 | ceclin | hi, btw :) |
| 22:05:52 | preglow | ceclin: make it a good one :) |
| 22:05:57 | preglow | scorche|sh: why? |
| 22:06:00 | ceclin | trying :) |
| 22:06:13 | BigBambi | ceclin: What are you thinking of? |
| 22:06:21 | scorche|sh | preglow: just to allow more time |
| 22:07:30 | preglow | scorche|sh: just wondering why that's needed. poor response? |
| 22:07:38 | preglow | i don't think it was extended last year |
| 22:07:44 | scorche|sh | it was |
| 22:07:49 | preglow | right, then :) |
| 22:08:19 | ceclin | well, I was thinking about working on a RealAudio codec |
| 22:08:24 | scorche|sh | and yeah...orgs have been reporting less this year...not sure why...we have had much more mentor orgs apply this year |
| 22:08:39 | preglow | perhaps people are hoping for a hot summer |
| 22:08:41 | linuxstb | ceclin: Hi. |
| 22:08:49 | preglow | ceclin: excellent choice, sir :) |
| 22:09:13 | BigBambi | ceclin: coolio :) |
| 22:09:13 | preglow | linuxstb: is there any reason to support that codec, btw? i can't remember seeing any files using it floating aroudn |
| 22:09:26 | preglow | haven't looked too hard, though |
| 22:09:27 | Horscht | mp3pro? |
| 22:09:44 | BigBambi | preglow: Bragging rights? |
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| 22:10:43 | linuxstb | preglow: Not really... But it would seem a shame not to support it, as it's feasible... |
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| 22:11:09 | * | Rincewind had to use rockbox once to hear a file he got from a friend, because rockbox had more codecs than his computer |
| 22:11:18 | linuxstb | preglow: If you can think of more useful codecs, add them to the SoC page... |
| 22:11:18 | preglow | heh |
| 22:11:26 | preglow | linuxstb: trying hard as we speak :) |
| 22:11:32 | preglow | a new aac codec would be high on the list... |
| 22:11:45 | preglow | afaik, the ffmpeg one is usable now, but floating point |
| 22:11:47 | * | linuxstb thinks he has a liquid audio file somewhere... |
| 22:12:08 | mud-rb_ | i thought aac was already supported? or is it hackish or incomplete or something? |
| 22:12:09 | Chipsaru | Rincewind try k-lite mega codec pack for your pc :) |
| 22:12:23 | scorche|sh | dont try that |
| 22:12:23 | preglow | mud-rb_: it's slow and hard to optimize |
| 22:12:29 | preglow | it also tends to bring out the worst in gcc |
| 22:12:35 | mud-rb_ | preglow: ahh, i see |
| 22:12:36 | scorche|sh | codec hell...tons of overlapping codecs |
| 22:12:48 | Rincewind | I discovered foobar2000 shortly after that and now I am 90% linux |
| 22:12:50 | preglow | use ffdshow if anything |
| 22:12:53 | preglow | no need for codec packs |
| 22:12:59 | * | bluebrother suggests ffdshow and mplayer |
| 22:13:08 | scorche|sh | k-lite is horrid |
| 22:13:09 | preglow | ffdshow and media player classic = haven |
| 22:13:14 | preglow | heaven too |
| 22:13:32 | BigBambi | k-lite screws up computers |
| 22:13:33 | Rincewind | vlc plays anything I can throw at it |
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| 22:14:14 | Chipsaru | BigBambi: how it screws them? |
| 22:14:17 | linuxstb | ceclin: Do you use Rockbox? |
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| 22:14:32 | scorche|sh | Chipsaru: it is codec hell...many many overlapping codecs |
| 22:14:36 | BigBambi | Chipsaru: This is off topic, but scorche|sh> codec hell...tons of overlapping codecs |
| 22:14:40 | ceclin | yep, i've been using it on my iPod mini 1G for a couple months |
| 22:14:55 | picky | markun: ping |
| 22:14:57 | ceclin | I have a iPod 3G also that someone gave me, but the battery died. Rockbox would be on there too if it worked. |
| 22:15:11 | ceclin | I have a lot of .flac files, its the only way i can get apple stuff to play it |
| 22:16:34 | Chipsaru | can rockbox recognize one big flac file + cue? |
| 22:17:28 | linuxstb | Chipsaru: Yes |
| 22:17:54 | linuxstb | (as long as the cue is a separate file, not embedded) |
| 22:17:58 | picky | markun: I think the state names in your last commit are somewhat orthogonal. Some mean what is being done (filling, idle, finished) while others mean state (full). Just from the names, e.g. "filling" does not exclude "full". And isn't "finished" same as "idle"? I.e. after we're finished, aren't we in the idle state? |
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| 22:18:04 | ceclin | I have a question though, would there be any interest in other formats aside from RealAudio? I've always been interested in the video game music formats, and i noticed rockbox is missing support for some classic systems.. |
| 22:18:16 | Chipsaru | linuxstb: as a playlist? or how? |
| 22:18:58 | picky | markun: the states may be (and probably are) different from the technical point of view but the enum names are a bit misleading or confusing at the first glance. |
| 22:19:04 | linuxstb | Chipsaru: No, as "sub-tracks" within a track. i.e. it will display the correct metadata for each sub-track and let you skip back/forwards. But it's just one item in the playlist. |
| 22:19:05 | scorche|sh | ceclin: RealAudio is a ton of codecs... |
| 22:19:12 | BigBambi | ceclin: The more the merrier in my view |
| 22:19:19 | scorche|sh | but yes, we always welcome more |
| 22:19:28 | pixelma | bluebrother: there were still some action definitions missing in some platform files. I'm currently working on a fix |
| 22:19:58 | bluebrother | pixelma: nice. I just figured some manuals build as pdf but not html |
| 22:20:11 | pixelma | I'll also try to fix the fixmes by looking at the old code |
| 22:20:24 | linuxstb | ceclin: Sure. You should put together a list of codecs that you plan to implement and apply... |
| 22:20:25 | scorche|sh | how many is "RealAudio" up to now?...7 or 8 codecs? |
| 22:20:30 | DerPapst | ceclin: there is a .mod patch in the tracker. |
| 22:20:35 | pixelma | bluebrother: the old recording.tex |
| 22:20:50 | bluebrother | unfortunately those were missing (as far as I looked) |
| 22:20:53 | DerPapst | ceclin: i don't know if it supports any others such as xm or s3m |
| 22:21:01 | picky | The PDF manual doesn't look nice in the WPS tags > Images section. The Example 2 is indented. |
| 22:21:11 | pixelma | bluebrother: oh... there goes my plan then |
| 22:21:17 | preglow | pixelma: you and jens should go ahead and post what you find lacking in that .mod player patch on the patch tracker, btw |
| 22:21:31 | preglow | i want it commited if there's nothing wrong with it |
| 22:21:43 | bluebrother | picky: which manual are you looking at? |
| 22:21:49 | pixelma | preglow: yes, wanted to take the time for some writing (tracker, forums) |
| 22:21:56 | bluebrother | (will most likely apply to all, just to make sure) |
| 22:21:59 | picky | bluebrother: H120 |
| 22:22:06 | pixelma | preglow: tonight... |
| 22:22:08 | DerPapst | ceclin: maybe a port of libmikmod might be a good idea since it supports loks of differen module music filetypes and performs well on iPods and similar players |
| 22:22:14 | preglow | pixelma: excellent :) |
| 22:22:27 | linuxstb | Don't we have two mod codecs on the tracker now? |
| 22:22:34 | preglow | yes |
| 22:22:36 | preglow | one based on mikmod |
| 22:22:42 | pixelma | isn't one a plugin? |
| 22:22:45 | linuxstb | Which one are you talking about? |
| 22:22:46 | preglow | yep |
| 22:22:50 | preglow | linuxstb: the .mod one |
| 22:22:56 | preglow | the mikmod ones does everything |
| 22:22:58 | preglow | ones/one |
| 22:23:01 | bluebrother | picky: ah, that. Well, that's caused by the second example being the second paragraph in the section. |
| 22:23:03 | picky | bluebrother: he-he, page 120 as well! |
| 22:23:09 | pixelma | I'm talking about the codec (not the plugin) |
| 22:23:09 | bluebrother | but I agree that it looks ugly. |
| 22:23:17 | preglow | pixelma: it pretty much has to be a plugin, our playback engine has bad support for non-streamed formats |
| 22:23:18 | ceclin | DerPapst: that'd actually be really cool. |
| 22:23:30 | ceclin | I have a ton of old chiptunes that'd be nice to play on the go. |
| 22:24:21 | linuxstb | DerPapst: You mean this? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8806 |
| 22:24:21 | DerPapst | some iPL dev compiled libmikmod for the iPods and it performs excellent. tough i don't know what is required to make it a rockbox codec. |
| 22:24:27 | pixelma | preglow: the codec one works ok-ish (still has some problems though but I would have thought they are fixable ?) |
| 22:24:28 | picky | bluebrother: is there a latex environment for examples? |
| 22:25:01 | picky | bluebrother: I mean, there surely is, but is there one that should be used in RB manual? |
| 22:25:08 | bluebrother | not sure if we defined one ... check LatexGuidelines in the wiki |
| 22:25:26 | DerPapst | linuxstb: heh. i didn't know that existed o. i thought there is only the licence free .mod patch |
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| 22:26:01 | preglow | pixelma: i don't even know what the problems are, but i definitely would guess they are fixable, yes. but it will have the limitation of only being able to play small files until our non-streamed format support is fixed |
| 22:26:53 | picky | bluebrother: there seems to be a special env. Look at e.g. page 110 in the PDF manual. |
| 22:27:07 | pixelma | preglow: the new one plays larger files (which the old one didn't play). I only have 2 for which that applies though |
| 22:27:28 | DerPapst | but FS #8806 seems to be a viewer and not a codec... |
| 22:27:40 | bluebrother | yep, remembered it. |
| 22:27:45 | pixelma | preglow: the rest is smaller than codec buffer (I think it was and were played before) |
| 22:28:13 | pixelma | those two work now |
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| 22:29:06 | preglow | pixelma: but it still can't play files of several megabytes, i guess |
| 22:29:10 | pixelma | that's the big plus I meant yesterday |
| 22:30:02 | * | bluebrother tries to use enumerate and likes it much better |
| 22:31:04 | pixelma | preglow: why (and where) should it stop now? I admit I have no idea about how it is coded though, can only talk from a user's perspective and my .mods are rather small |
| 22:31:29 | bluebrother | and the second example doesn't need to be that long too ... |
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| 22:31:58 | pixelma | which is I think rather typical for .mods |
| 22:32:39 | * | DerPapst has some 8MB mods :-P |
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| 22:33:38 | linuxstb | preglow: Looking at the .mod codec, it uses the data directly from the audio buffer - so as long as it's buffered contiguously it should work (IIUC) |
| 22:33:45 | pixelma | DerPapst: then you should try the new mod codec too (the "licende-free" one)... |
| 22:34:58 | pixelma | linuxstb: so the limit is RAM size then? |
| 22:35:34 | Chicory | Hooray! |
| 22:35:43 | Chicory | Apparently it's in recovery moe! |
| 22:35:45 | Chicory | *mode |
| 22:35:47 | pixelma | or rather playback buffer size |
| 22:35:52 | Chicory | Now, er, stupid question, but ... now what? |
| 22:36:29 | mud-rb_ | party? |
| 22:36:32 | Bagder | Chicory: now you can mount the recovery disk and copy bootloader and mi4 file to it |
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| 22:37:39 | Chicory | Oh, pribootloader? |
| 22:37:48 | Chicory | Or some other file? |
| 22:37:56 | gevaerts | Chicory: pribootLoader.rom and firmware.mi4 |
| 22:38:00 | * | Chicory nods. |
| 22:38:02 | Bagder | the same one you did e200tool recover with |
| 22:38:04 | Chicory | Thought so. Thanks. :) |
| 22:38:17 | BigBambi | Is it possible to turn an iPod 5G off when it is charging? |
| 22:38:20 | Chicory | And then just reboot and see what happens? |
| 22:38:29 | DerPapst | BigBambi: nope. |
| 22:38:41 | BigBambi | DerPapst: Cheers, didn't think so |
| 22:38:46 | gevaerts | After you copied them, cleanly unmount, make sure hold is off, and unplug |
| 22:39:38 | BigBambi | DerPapst: So I can close this in your view: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8109 - the problem is that the charging detection is broken |
| 22:39:45 | linuxstb | pixelma: I've only looked at the code quickly, but that seems to be the case. |
| 22:40:00 | Chicory | Weeeelllll ... |
| 22:40:06 | Chicory | It's back! |
| 22:40:28 | gevaerts | Chicory: choose "format" in the Settings menu to be safe. |
| 22:40:34 | Chicory | Thank you for all of your help, gevearts. |
| 22:40:37 | Chicory | And I shall. |
| 22:41:04 | preglow | linuxstb: doesn't exactly sound like a safe bet |
| 22:41:38 | gevaerts | Chicory: no problem. You're the fourth person to need this tool that I know of |
| 22:42:02 | linuxstb | preglow: No... I wonder how hard it would be for the new buffering code to ensure files are loaded contiguously... Nico_P? |
| 22:42:02 | Chicory | I wonder if it'd be nice to have that on the main page, or referred to in the Wiki. |
| 22:42:10 | Chicory | Because this c250 stuff seems a little buggy. |
| 22:42:30 | DerPapst | BigBambi: seems so. i haven't read the thread though. Maybe if he flips on hold while rockbox displays its shut down message the ipod will actually stay off. However, when he attaches a charger the iPod will boot again. |
| 22:43:06 | DerPapst | BigBambi: it's like pressing a button to wake the iPod up again. |
| 22:43:16 | BigBambi | DerPapst: Yep, but whatever the problem, the answer isn't allowing shutdown during charging, as that isn't possible |
| 22:43:21 | gevaerts | The problem is that the tool is not really ready. It's c250 specific and won't work on c240, The code is not clean, and it still refers to e200r installation... |
| 22:43:25 | * | Chicory nods. |
| 22:43:30 | DerPapst | BigBambi: yes :-) |
| 22:43:38 | BigBambi | DerPapst: The problem is the erroneous charging detection |
| 22:43:42 | Chicory | All I know is that it saved my bacon. |
| 22:43:47 | gevaerts | I actually wonder why no-one with a c240 ever seems to have problems |
| 22:43:55 | * | Chicory shrugs. |
| 22:43:56 | Bagder | gevaerts: or e2x0 owners |
| 22:44:10 | BigBambi | gevaerts: I'll try my best soon |
| 22:44:17 | linuxstb | Maybe bugs in Sansa's firmware/bootloader? |
| 22:44:32 | Bagder | it certainly is a flaw no doubt |
| 22:44:37 | gevaerts | Bagder: do you actually have reports of *.fmt working on c200 ? |
| 22:44:49 | Bagder | gevaerts: no, not that I can recall |
| 22:45:05 | gevaerts | linuxstb: I would call 'recovery mode does not work if the filesystem is corrupted' a bug, yes |
| 22:45:46 | DerPapst | ... which makes the whole recovery mode somewhat useless.... |
| 22:46:05 | gevaerts | Bagder: I have my doubts about it. It never seems to work for me, so maybe that is the main difference between c200 and e200 for non-working recoveries |
| 22:46:38 | Chicory | Mmm, just a moment, be right back. |
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| 22:48:56 | preglow | linuxstb: would definitely be a sensible start |
| 22:49:09 | preglow | linuxstb: plus introducing a new codec flag for codecs that want such behaviour, of course |
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| 22:49:23 | Y-Signal | Craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaapsicles |
| 22:49:44 | linuxstb | preglow: I was thinking that the get_metadata() function could set such a flag. |
| 22:49:51 | Y-Signal | I just need a zen M or something |
| 22:49:59 | Y-Signal | I'm sick of this ipod business |
| 22:50:07 | gevaerts | Y-Signal: did you see what I said earlier ? |
| 22:50:35 | Y-Signal | I saw where you wanted the rockbox revision clarified, one too many digits |
| 22:51:08 | preglow | linuxstb: yeah, it pretty much has to be that way, now that i think about it |
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| 22:52:02 | Chicory | Well, it all seems kosher. |
| 22:52:11 | linuxstb | preglow: Would you want to commit that codec before that's fixed in the buffering code? |
| 22:52:12 | gevaerts | OK, so you missed the next bit. Can you try the version from 2008-03-19 (r16712) ? That one should work. If it does, we would also be interested to know if the version from 2008-03-20 (r16718) works |
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| 22:52:40 | DerPapst | heh |
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| 22:52:46 | Y-Signal | Great, thanks browser |
| 22:53:04 | Y-Signal | I clicked your link for 16712 and my browser kicked me outta java chat; I'll grab that and 16718 and see what I get |
| 22:53:07 | Y-Signal | thanks for the help so far |
| 22:53:50 | gevaerts | If you can verify that, we know where the bug is, so someone can then fix it |
| 22:53:55 | preglow | linuxstb: well, if it doesn't have any safe guards against wrapping, no |
| 22:55:08 | linuxstb | preglow: It will just give a codec error |
| 22:56:15 | Y-Signal | as soon as this song's done :) |
| 22:56:36 | gevaerts | Sure |
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| 22:58:23 | preglow | linuxstb: then i'd commit it anyway |
| 22:58:44 | preglow | but i don't think adding in a simple no-wrapping scheme will be too hard anyway |
| 22:59:15 | linuxstb | preglow: I don't feel that strongly, but don't like the idea of committing something that half-works and will give (to the user) random codec errors... |
| 22:59:38 | Y-Signal | Oh, not wholly related, but is there a simple way to change the loader's behavior so that a split-second error doesn't cost you your rockbox settings when moving the hold switch to the right? |
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| 23:00:10 | preglow | linuxstb: i wouldn't consider it for a more popular codec, i don't think too many people will notice such an error until a fix is in playback |
| 23:00:21 | preglow | for .mod, that is |
| 23:00:28 | linuxstb | Y-Signal: Use the MENU button to dual-boot. When your ipod is off, turn it on by pressing the MENU button, and keep it pressed. |
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| 23:02:52 | Y-Signal | Hmmmmm |
| 23:03:03 | Y-Signal | I'll have to try that...what does holding Menu get you? |
| 23:03:18 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:04:11 | Y-Signal | That's awesome, thanks |
| 23:04:25 | Y-Signal | Much better than the hold switch |
| 23:04:25 | pixelma | bluebrother: in the platform files, there now is an \ActionSettingInc (or Dec) which is used in the settings context and a \ActionSettingsInc (Dec) for the recording context... wouldn't it be better to rename the latter to something with "Rec" at least? |
| 23:04:59 | linuxstb | Y-Signal: I agree - I don't know why no-one uses it or talks about it... |
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| 23:05:18 | pixelma | bluebrother: those two are different in most cases... |
| 23:05:43 | bluebrother | pixelma: I agree. |
| 23:06:44 | pixelma | alright... a bit more work then but for the better |
| 23:07:08 | Y-Signal | linux, probably due to lack of mention in documents? |
| 23:07:42 | linuxstb | Y-Signal: That's what I'm talking about... |
| 23:10:48 | BigBambi | pixelma: there? |
| 23:10:55 | BigBambi | Or indeed any other manual bods |
| 23:11:15 | * | BigBambi ought to read the last three lines at least before pinging :) |
| 23:11:33 | bluebrother | BigBambi: pong ;-) |
| 23:11:47 | BigBambi | How difficult would it be to replace references to Gigabeat F to Gigabeat F/X in the manual? |
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| 23:12:04 | BigBambi | As given it is for both, it probably ought to say so |
| 23:12:18 | pixelma | depends on how clean it is used |
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| 23:12:41 | BigBambi | pixelma: As in if all references are via a macro it would be OK? |
| 23:12:51 | pixelma | if it was very clean, it should be one small change in the platform file |
| 23:12:58 | pixelma | yes |
| 23:13:02 | BigBambi | OK, I'll check :) |
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| 23:13:31 | Nico_P | linuxstb: what do you mean by contiguously? |
| 23:13:45 | Nico_P | no data between two files? |
| 23:14:52 | DerPapst | iirc no file half buffered. |
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| 23:17:12 | * | gevaerts passes Rincewind's application through his built-in in-brain spellchecker (also known as reading) |
| 23:18:33 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Yes, no gaps, and not wrapping |
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| 23:19:38 | Rincewind | gevaerts: you can keep every spelling mistakes you find, free of charge |
| 23:20:16 | gevaerts | Rincewind: I only spotted a couple ;) |
| 23:21:15 | Rincewind | no really, please tell me, I hope to improve my english |
| 23:22:30 | gevaerts | Don't take this for gospel (no native english speaker either), but the 5th month is May in english, not Mai; and "I didn't knew yet" should be "I didn't know yet" |
| 23:23:01 | Rincewind | yes, Mai is genuine german... |
| 23:23:13 | DerPapst | "I didn't know yet" sounds like a cheap excuse :-> |
| 23:24:15 | preglow | Nico_P: plain and simple just always buffer entire files for codecs that wish so, and no wrapping at the end of the buffer |
| 23:24:22 | DerPapst | karlsruhe... |
| 23:24:38 | * | gevaerts didn't see any other mistakes |
| 23:24:41 | Rincewind | with "i didn't knew" i want to say past perfect, or maybe past progressive? |
| 23:24:44 | pixelma | linuxstb: there seems to be a button action conflict in the Ipod's recording screen (short press of menu is used for - ACTION_STD_CANCEL in the settings context (wich is first "in list") and ACTION_STD_MENU in the standard context (setting). |
| 23:25:07 | BigBambi | Rincewind: I didn't knew isn't correct in any tense in English |
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| 23:25:31 | Rincewind | hm, ok. Don't know where I get that from |
| 23:25:41 | gevaerts | Rincewind: I think you want "I hadn't known yet" or something, but I'm sure BigBambi knows this better |
| 23:25:43 | DerPapst | bad english lessons :-P |
| 23:25:54 | BigBambi | I hadn't known is fine |
| 23:26:01 | pixelma | linuxstb: judged from the sim this leads to both not working (at least "long play" which is defined for ACTION_STD_CANCEL in the standard context works then) |
| 23:26:05 | Rincewind | hadn't known sounds good |
| 23:26:06 | BigBambi | Rincewind: If you would like I can take a look |
| 23:26:15 | Nico_P | preglow, linuxstb: no wrapping is already possible |
| 23:26:35 | Nico_P | and files never have gaps *in* them. there is the header between files though |
| 23:26:46 | * | DerPapst bets Rincewind is ways better then him in english. |
| 23:26:49 | mud-rb_ | "didn't know" is more natural if the difference in meaning isn't required though |
| 23:26:55 | BigBambi | Rincewind: But normally you would say I didn't know (at that point) depending on context |
| 23:27:08 | gevaerts | DerPapst: "than him" ;) |
| 23:27:16 | DerPapst | whatever :-P |
| 23:27:24 | Rincewind | " I had a C/C++ course at university last year where I learnt some things about C I hadn't known yet and object oriented programming with C++." |
| 23:27:30 | pixelma | DerPapst: too many typo classes? :P |
| 23:27:38 | * | gevaerts also would say "way better" instead of "ways better" |
| 23:27:42 | Y-Signal | gevaerts, 16712 seems to be working fine |
| 23:27:43 | DerPapst | ways to many :-D |
| 23:27:54 | gevaerts | Y-Signal: great. |
| 23:27:59 | Y-Signal | I'll try the other in a bit and see if it catches fire |
| 23:28:00 | DerPapst | meh, beat me gevaerts :-D |
| 23:28:06 | BigBambi | Rincewind: " I had a C/C++ course at university last year where I learnt some things about C I didn't know, and object oriented programming with C++. |
| 23:28:12 | Y-Signal | this is amazing, I can skip songs and everything |
| 23:28:13 | gevaerts | But I'm not 100% sure about the last one |
| 23:28:42 | * | gevaerts beats DerPapst |
| 23:28:45 | BigBambi | Yes, ways better is incorrect, but way better, whilst correct, isn't very formal |
| 23:29:06 | BigBambi | But we ought to take this to #rockbox-community I guess |
| 23:29:07 | gevaerts | BigBambi: this was on irc... |
| 23:29:09 | mud-rb_ | is learnt a real word? sounds fake |
| 23:29:25 | BigBambi | gevaerts: Ah, OK, I was still thinking in terms of applications |
| 23:29:25 | gevaerts | mud-rb_: past tense of learn |
| 23:29:34 | mud-rb_ | ...learned |
| 23:29:36 | BigBambi | mud-rb_: Learnt is fine |
| 23:29:40 | mud-rb_ | i see |
| 23:30:33 | BigBambi | and so is learned (in terms of everyday English anyway, no doubt a linguist would have something to say) |
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| 23:31:23 | * | DerPapst still has a lot to learn. |
| 23:31:45 | linuxstb | http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutspelling/learnt |
| 23:32:13 | BigBambi | There you go :) |
| 23:32:13 | * | gevaerts thinks that English is an annoying language. At first it seems to have almost no grammar at all, it has several allowed variant spellings for nearly every word, and then suddenly they spring some weird rules on you |
| 23:32:53 | mud-rb_ | oh, it's more used in british english i guess. i always thought that those spellings were just slang or whatever :) |
| 23:33:26 | DerPapst | gevaerts: hahaha |
| 23:33:26 | Rincewind | mud-rb_: so it is the opposite of slang :) |
| 23:33:47 | linuxstb | pixelma: Unless something has broken it recently, I thought the ipod recording keymaps worked fine. I'll double-check later though. |
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| 23:34:04 | * | gevaerts also suggests to hold english grammar and spelling discussions over ☞ in #rockbox-community |
| 23:34:10 | Chipsaru | "sorry for my terrible english, my native language is c++" © :) |
| 23:34:49 | DerPapst | heh |
| 23:34:55 | pixelma | linuxstb: unfortunately I can't test on target, the problem is that I can't call the recording settings menu from within the recording screen |
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| 23:35:17 | BigBambi | To build the manual currently, do I do configure then make manual? |
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| 23:36:13 | pixelma | linuxstb: and I believe DerPapst tried on target yesterday and couldn't find a button (combo) |
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| 23:37:26 | pixelma | BigBambi: I believe you wouldn't have to configure for the manual (because you have to "make manual" anyway) but I still do (doesn't hurt and I keep it in a different directory). |
| 23:37:45 | Insectoid | So I was about to ask if anyone had any idea as to why my iPod 5g running latest svn freezes when it attempts to play anything, even after all kinds of poking about (chkdsk, etc) −− but I ran chkdsk one last time and now I'm getting all kinds of \Music\The Beatles\1967-1970 (US Stereo Ebbetts)\CD1\07. Penny Lane.mp3 is cross-linked on allocation unit 149652. messages. |
| 23:37:59 | BigBambi | pixelma: As with current svn and configue then make manual it fails on the gigabeat manual |
| 23:38:12 | BigBambi | pixelma: May I pastebin you the error? |
| 23:38:28 | pixelma | you can try |
| 23:38:29 | gevaerts | Insectoid: can you try the version from 2008-03-19 (r16712) ? |
| 23:38:47 | Insectoid | Sure −− but I'm building with cygwin so it'll take a bit. |
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| 23:39:32 | BigBambi | pixelma: http://www.pastebin.ca/961485 Does it build OK for you/anyone else? |
| 23:39:33 | gevaerts | Insectoid: you can download a build from http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=ipodvideo |
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| 23:41:20 | Insectoid | gevaerts: Downloading and installing now. |
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| 23:42:15 | bluebrother | BigBambi: just tried, works fine for me. |
| 23:42:32 | BigBambi | bluebrother: weird. Does the pastebin mean anything to you? |
| 23:43:16 | pixelma | BigBambi: builds fine for me too (using cygwin). Your error looks unfamiliar to me, maybe it's something in your setup? Is this the first time you tried building the manual? |
| 23:43:44 | preglow | Nico_P: sounds sweet, then, but i guess you must add an error condition for when there is not enough room in the buffer for a file at all |
| 23:43:49 | bluebrother | I'd guess its some features thingy that doesn't run correctly and thus doesn't create the initial document |
| 23:44:02 | Nico_P | preglow: there is :) |
| 23:44:13 | BigBambi | pixelma: Yes, since I reinstalled. I installed the packages mentioned on the manual how-to page (and before I reinstalled I could build fine), but I'll check them again |
| 23:44:51 | Nico_P | preglow: you want to use bufopen with TYPE_ATOMIC_AUDIO |
| 23:45:02 | Nico_P | audio_load_track already does it |
| 23:45:32 | linuxstb | What happens if there isn't enough room? |
| 23:45:34 | bluebrother | BigBambi: you need to have gcc installed since features.txt was added to the manual build process |
| 23:45:48 | Nico_P | linuxstb: bufopen will fail |
| 23:45:54 | BigBambi | bluebrother: yeah, gcc is there |
| 23:45:56 | Insectoid | gevaerts: Works perfectly. |
| 23:46:04 | linuxstb | Nico_P: So what does the playback engine do in that case? |
| 23:46:05 | Insectoid | Thank you |
| 23:46:31 | Nico_P | linuxstb: it will stop buffering. in the new code that means reaching the STATE_FULL state |
| 23:46:47 | linuxstb | So it will try again later? |
| 23:46:52 | bluebrother | BigBambi: do you have a file manual/rockbox-build.tex in the build folder? |
| 23:47:03 | Nico_P | yes, when the buffering thread tells it the buffer is low |
| 23:47:15 | * | gevaerts tells linuxstb that there is indeed most probably a bug in sample_output_stereo() |
| 23:47:21 | Nico_P | there could be a problem when trying to add a file that's bigger than the buffer though |
| 23:47:34 | BigBambi | bluebrother: Yes, inside the manual sub directory of the build folder |
| 23:47:36 | linuxstb | gevaerts: I already agreed with you ;) |
| 23:48:07 | gevaerts | linuxstb: I know, but we have more evidence now ;) Anyway, I'm not up to fixing it |
| 23:48:48 | gevaerts | I just wonder why nobody noticed before today. That code is 8 days old |
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| 23:48:59 | BigBambi | bluebrother: Ah, I think it is the latex-ucs that is the problem |
| 23:49:12 | BigBambi | bluebrother: I'll do a little more investigating then report back |
| 23:49:55 | linuxstb | gevaerts: I think I know how/where to fix it - I'll need to see if I can recreate the problem though, and probably not tonight... |
| 23:51:13 | linuxstb | I'm assuming the dest buffer in the call to dsp_process() (in playback.c) is only 16-bit aligned. This buffer is provided by pcmbuf_request_buffer(), which needs to ensure things are aligned. |
| 23:52:01 | gevaerts | We could of course just revert r16717 until it's fixed... |
| 23:53:14 | * | gevaerts sees that preglow also has worked on that file, so he might also be able to fix it |
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| 23:57:35 | preglow | sample_output_stereo bug? |
| 23:57:39 | preglow | c or asm? |
| 23:57:56 | gevaerts | preglow: asm |
| 23:58:18 | preglow | gevaerts: arm? |
| 23:58:38 | gevaerts | preglow: yes. Seen on ipod 5g, data abort |
| 23:58:40 | preglow | buschel probably introduced a bug, then, what is the error? data abort? |
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