| 00:00:58 | bluebrother | BigBambi: sorry, was distracted |
| 00:01:20 | * | gevaerts grabs his ipod to see if he can reproduce the bug as well |
| 00:01:43 | preglow | gevaerts: the asm code always processes two samples at once, i'm quite sure you can reproduce the bug by forcing dsp to process blocks of odd size |
| 00:02:01 | BigBambi | bluebrother: No problems. It seems that ubuntu hardy and debian ubuntu |
| 00:02:06 | BigBambi | damn it |
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| 00:03:37 | BigBambi | bluebrother: No problems. It seems that ubuntu hardy and debian lenny no longer have latex-ucs, and I didn't notice when I tried to install it along with the other packages |
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| 00:04:04 | gevaerts | preglow: any suggestion on forcing this ? Would playing several 16bit mono wavs with an odd number of samples do the trick ? |
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| 00:07:09 | BigBambi | bluebrother: Hmmm, but installing an older version of latex-ucs didn't fix it :( |
| 00:07:15 | * | BigBambi continues searching |
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| 00:09:39 | bluebrother | BigBambi: if you pdflatex rockbox-build.tex from the manual folder, will that work? |
| 00:10:01 | BigBambi | bluebrother: I'll check in a sec, I've managed to arse something else up now :) |
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| 00:12:26 | preglow | gevaerts: no, i can't really think of any way to make it happen naturally right now |
| 00:12:29 | preglow | hmm |
| 00:12:41 | pixelma | the H10 recording screen button map seems a little buggy too - you can't go up in your list of settings because then you leave the recording screen at the same time... (in the sim but wouldn't surprise me if it was different on target) |
| 00:13:02 | pixelma | s/wouldn't/would |
| 00:13:06 | preglow | gevaerts: any particular codecs that makes this happen? |
| 00:13:34 | gevaerts | preglow: Y-Signal reported it, and IIRC he uses mp3 |
| 00:13:45 | preglow | gevaerts: only happens at the end of files, or? |
| 00:14:00 | preglow | hmm, no, that would not explain it |
| 00:14:02 | gevaerts | I don't know. |
| 00:14:06 | preglow | it's possible it might happen at the very start to |
| 00:14:08 | preglow | o |
| 00:14:09 | BigBambi | bluebrother: pdflatex rockbox-build.tex gives the same error |
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| 00:15:30 | bluebrother | rockbox.tex should hold the \begin{document} somewhere |
| 00:16:00 | pixelma | oh dear... why does it always get so complicated... the m5 manual's generated features.tex looks all wrong :\ |
| 00:16:24 | bluebrother | otherwise it would be easy ;-) |
| 00:17:09 | BigBambi | bluebrother: Yes, rockbox.tex has \begin{document} on the third line |
| 00:17:11 | preglow | gevaerts: anyway, bug happens because dst is not aligned by four |
| 00:17:24 | bluebrother | BigBambi: strange. |
| 00:17:56 | pixelma | must be something wrong here (at least the daily built manuals look more correct than mine) |
| 00:17:59 | * | Rincewind is going to sleep now |
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| 00:18:34 | preglow | gevaerts: did the tracks play at all or just data abort at once? |
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| 00:20:00 | gevaerts | preglow: I think the data abort only happened "occasionally". I'm checking the log now |
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| 00:20:49 | gevaerts | Y-Signal: are you still there ? |
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| 00:21:43 | pixelma | bluebrother: just needed a make clean and reconfigure, phew :) |
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| 00:22:49 | bluebrother | hrm. "ls *.{cpp,h}" does work correctly but "svn diff *.{cpp,h}" doesn't? Wtf ...? |
| 00:23:03 | * | BigBambi gives up for tonight and goes to bed |
| 00:23:18 | BigBambi | bluebrother, pixelma: Thanks for the help |
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| 00:25:20 | pixelma | sorry you couldn't get it to work yet, and g'night |
| 00:25:21 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: pong (6hr return time :) |
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| 00:44:59 | bluebrother | pixelma: still working on the broken manuals= |
| 00:45:02 | bluebrother | ? |
| 00:45:27 | pixelma | yes, I'm about to commit (also prepared another small change) |
| 00:45:45 | Y-Signal | Gev...it crashed with 16718 (?), the latter of the two, so looks like you are correct |
| 00:45:58 | bluebrother | nice. Just recognized that I missed a file during my commit yesterday |
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| 00:46:18 | pixelma | bluebrother: which one is it? |
| 00:46:25 | Y-Signal | I was gone for about an hour :P |
| 00:47:28 | bluebrother | I changed ActionSettings* to ActionSetting* in recording.tex |
| 00:47:31 | gevaerts | Y-Signal: great. preglow is working on the bug, and he would like some more information on when exactly it happens. |
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| 00:48:13 | gevaerts | Y-Signal: does it happen at the start or end of a track, or also somewhere in the middle ? |
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| 00:49:10 | Y-Signal | Seems to always be the start |
| 00:49:51 | Y-Signal | It may get out a fraction of a second of the sound, I'm not sure, but always right at the start |
| 00:50:20 | pixelma | bluebrother: that would have broken all other manuals |
| 00:50:39 | gevaerts | OK. does it happen for the first track you play, or only after a while ? |
| 00:50:52 | bluebrother | hmm −− for some reason they build fine for me. |
| 00:50:57 | * | bluebrother scratches head |
| 00:50:59 | pixelma | bluebrother: and as I said - there are differences on most targets |
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| 00:51:12 | gevaerts | preglow: if you need more information, now is the time to ask ;) |
| 00:51:36 | Y-Signal | Never the first track |
| 00:52:35 | gevaerts | Thanks. I'm out of questions (just playing message-forwarder here), but maybe preglow has some more ? |
| 00:52:38 | bluebrother | I somewhat lost track of the details of the manual ... |
| 00:52:45 | pixelma | bluebrother: I renamed it to ActionRecSettings* (sounds a bit weird but less confusing) |
| 00:54:12 | preglow | Y-Signal: and always mp3? |
| 00:54:42 | Y-Signal | Hard to say |
| 00:54:56 | Y-Signal | there are SPC files too but they don't get played often |
| 00:54:56 | pixelma | bluebrother: otherwise there would be two different definitions (except on the Ipods and H10) of ActionSetting* - one in the settings "context" and one in the recording "context"... I don't think you can tell latex to pick the right one, or would that be possible? |
| 00:55:00 | Llorean | Y-Signal: Do you have crossfade on? |
| 00:55:05 | Y-Signal | I do |
| 00:55:17 | Y-Signal | but it's not always being used when this happens |
| 00:55:26 | pixelma | bluebrother: without too much hassle that is |
| 00:55:30 | Llorean | preglow: The crossfade "screeching white noise" bug has been replaced with a crossfade Data Abort bug, according to the most recent report on flyspray. |
| 00:55:33 | Llorean | Y-Signal: Try turning it off. |
| 00:55:41 | Y-Signal | okay |
| 00:55:46 | preglow | Llorean: that would not happen in output_sample_stereo |
| 00:55:57 | Y-Signal | gotta put bugged rockbox back on |
| 00:56:01 | preglow | and this does, this is a pure alignment bug |
| 00:56:17 | preglow | Y-Signal: do some builds of rockbox work, while others don't? |
| 00:56:39 | Llorean | preglow: gevaerts hazarded a guess at which build caused his problem earlier, iirc. |
| 00:56:56 | preglow | buschel's asm commit |
| 00:57:01 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 00:57:08 | kugel | which targets doesn't have LCD_BITMAP? |
| 00:57:09 | preglow | i know why the bug happens, just not exactly what triggers it |
| 00:57:16 | preglow | i really should just stop talking about it, and stat debugging it |
| 00:57:26 | pixelma | kugel: the Archos Player |
| 00:57:33 | preglow | but there'll be no debugging tonight |
| 00:57:34 | kugel | either rockbox-themes.org says that every target has LCD, or something is wrong |
| 00:58:01 | Y-Signal | preglow, gev's guess sure seemed correct...3/19 is fine, 3/20 is bad |
| 00:58:04 | pixelma | kugel: it has an LCD, just not a bitmap LCD but charcell |
| 00:58:07 | kugel | or I'm getting the "LCD: 11x2" wring |
| 00:58:10 | kugel | wrong* |
| 00:58:17 | kugel | ah ok |
| 00:58:28 | pixelma | 11 characters on two lines |
| 00:58:41 | Y-Signal | Why does nobody else seem to have my problem? |
| 00:58:52 | Y-Signal | I would think that this would be widely occurring |
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| 00:59:22 | Llorean | Y-Signal: There's no reason at all bugs can't be obscure and dependent on the combination of options you've picked, something about your music, or even a combination of both. |
| 00:59:52 | Llorean | Until we know exactly where the bug is, it's hard to say what exactly is making it happen to you, but not to other 5G owners. |
| 00:59:59 | Y-Signal | ah |
| 01:00 |
| 01:00:00 | gevaerts | Y-Signal: I've been wondering about that as well. Maybe your mp3's are encoded slightly differently than usual |
| 01:00:10 | pixelma | kugel: 11 charactes on each of the two lines that is (so 22 altogether) ... ;) |
| 01:00:20 | kugel | ok thanks |
| 01:00:23 | * | Llorean still wants the "crossfade" test, even if it "can't" happen there, because he's curious. |
| 01:00:28 | Y-Signal | well, I can't find the crossfade option to disable |
| 01:00:46 | Llorean | Y-Signal: I'm not sure where it is, but I'm sure the manual tells where. |
| 01:00:53 | Y-Signal | THERE it is |
| 01:01:04 | Y-Signal | in general\playback, okay |
| 01:01:17 | * | gevaerts suspects that Llorean has heard the "can't happen" line too often just before reproducing a bug ;) |
| 01:01:18 | jhMikeS | more 5g-only weirdness? |
| 01:01:43 | bluebrother | pixelma: no, I don't think that's possibly (with acceptable cost) |
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| 01:02:01 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: probably all arm targets. An alignment bug in dsp_arm.S |
| 01:02:10 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Yes. Y-Signal has a new crash, and one of the crossfade-screech reporters is reporting the screech has been replaced with a very similar crash. |
| 01:02:46 | gevaerts | Llorean: do you have the crossfade FS-number at hand ? |
| 01:02:55 | Llorean | gevaerts: Gimme a minute |
| 01:03:13 | Llorean | gevaerts: 8651 |
| 01:03:22 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:03:41 | pixelma | bluebrother: I'd still like to know why the other manuals built for you (because that's different from my solution adding the ActionSettings* (well renamed too) to the H10 and recording Ipods platform files). Or should I not bother and just commit? |
| 01:03:52 | pixelma | with your change |
| 01:04:10 | * | Llorean guesses the next obvious question for Y-Signal would be "what is the sample rate of your songs", I suppose. |
| 01:05:29 | Y-Signal | wide range |
| 01:05:37 | Y-Signal | seems to be crossfade |
| 01:05:49 | Y-Signal | it's better with it disabled |
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| 01:06:14 | gevaerts | preglow: according to the FS report, this new crossfade data abort seems to be sometimes at the same address as this one, and sometimes in channels_process_sound_chan_mono() |
| 01:06:19 | preglow | Y-Signal: anywho, i'll see if i have time to fix it, and will relay it on to the guy who introduced the bug in the first place anyway |
| 01:06:35 | Y-Signal | cool, thanks |
| 01:06:46 | Llorean | Y-Signal: Better meaning "doesn't happen" or "happens less"? |
| 01:07:21 | * | Llorean guesses it's hard to say "doesn't happen", I suppose. |
| 01:07:28 | preglow | gevaerts: hmm, a data abort in that function sounds unlikely |
| 01:07:55 | preglow | not unless the pointers are seriously garbled |
| 01:08:34 | gevaerts | preglow: it says 0x40000250, and channels_process_sound_chan_mono() is from 0x40000174 to 0x40000254(exclusive) if I read the map correctly |
| 01:09:41 | kugel | ok, I think my patch is good now |
| 01:09:57 | kugel | just need to add "list viewport: ..." to every default viewport |
| 01:10:05 | Y-Signal | Well, it takes a while to lock up if it's going to |
| 01:10:07 | Y-Signal | but so far, it has not |
| 01:10:28 | Llorean | Y-Signal: Can you try SPCs? You said those were worse. |
| 01:10:45 | Y-Signal | It's playing mostly SPCs right now |
| 01:10:48 | Y-Signal | and doing fine |
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| 01:11:20 | bluebrother | pixelma: I'd say commit it −− I had a rather annoying headache yesterday, maybe I did something wrong |
| 01:11:20 | jhMikeS | gevearts: but channels_process_sound_chan_mono is only 52 bytes |
| 01:11:45 | Llorean | It could still be an untamed pointer from elsewhere, though, couldn't it? |
| 01:12:30 | kugel | I have a question: As of now, with my patch you can assign fg and bg colors for the list (just like in the wps) |
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| 01:13:00 | kugel | but the fg color set in the settings gets overridden. Is that ok? |
| 01:13:07 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: it could of course be in a static function somewhere |
| 01:13:27 | Llorean | kugel: We did some talking on that earlier, and I think the decision was yes, those settings should matter less with time. |
| 01:13:37 | kugel | Just to let you know: the colors can be left out in the viewport definition |
| 01:13:53 | Y-Signal | I gotta go, I'm sure I'll see one of you later |
| 01:14:06 | Llorean | Y-Signal: Good luck, hope the crashes stay stopped. |
| 01:14:07 | Y-Signal | thanks for looking into this so much |
| 01:14:16 | jhMikeS | gevearts: Yes. I think that puts it in the last instruction of sample_output_mono. |
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| 01:14:46 | kugel | Llorean: unfortunately the statusbar has still the color |
| 01:15:08 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: my objdump −−syms output seems to agree |
| 01:15:18 | Llorean | kugel: Until there's status bar themeing with viewports. :) |
| 01:15:23 | kugel | so, when I have set FFFFFF in the list viewport, and FF00FF in the global settings, the list will be white and the statusbar pink |
| 01:15:33 | pixelma | bluebrother: ah ok. Somehow this reminds me that currently I don't trust a manual that's not built after a "make clean" (my impression is that some changes are not correctly applied then, don't have an example at hand but I experienceed this) |
| 01:15:37 | jhMikeS | or is the first of sample_output_stereo (I think I miscounted) |
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| 01:15:52 | Llorean | kugel: The discussion mostly came to the agreement that while the setting still works now, it'll gradually fade out naturally as things get upgraded. I'm sure it'll still affect Radio and Recording screens too, right now. |
| 01:16:09 | gevaerts | sample_output_stereo starts at 0x40000254 |
| 01:16:15 | kugel | yea, right, quickscreen too |
| 01:16:26 | Llorean | But this will change, in time. |
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| 01:17:07 | kugel | I think it's actually good that the font and color can left out, the values of the parent viewport are applied then |
| 01:17:13 | gevaerts | And it crashing on basically the same instruction in mono and stereo cases sounds pretty reasonable to me |
| 01:17:39 | kugel | to be honest, every setting can be left out |
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| 01:18:12 | Llorean | kugel: As with other settings, if you leave out a setting it should simply mean the setting doesn't change. |
| 01:18:36 | Llorean | So if someone sets the viewport with a specific color, then someone re-sets the viewport with new dimensions but doesn't include a color, it should keep the old color that was set, to be consistent with how other settings work. |
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| 01:18:44 | kugel | I meant, if I say "list viewport: 12,15,140,160" |
| 01:18:51 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I'm back... I wanted to talk about your patch |
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| 01:19:09 | kugel | font and colors values will come from the parent viewport (so global_settings) |
| 01:19:16 | Nico_P | oh I see you committed it |
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| 01:20:21 | * | kugel loves linuxstb for the parse_list function btw |
| 01:20:42 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: what's the difference between the new code and the old one you rbought back for the 5G? |
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| 01:21:55 | kugel | Llorean: What are you thinking about the leaving the traling values out? |
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| 01:22:21 | kugel | Llorean: I'd actually thought of giving every default theme the list viewport, but only until font |
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| 01:22:57 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: The difference between the hacks or the difference between the previous revision to the patch? |
| 01:23:11 | * | gevaerts decides that it's time to go to sleep |
| 01:23:31 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: the change you made that somehow doesn't work well on the 5G |
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| 01:25:54 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: It seems there's some issue with using struct mutex in that particular place that using a non-blocking lock seems to cure. Though with no disk contention there isn't a difference. BTW, was the pausing delayed even if buffering was allowed to complete? |
| 01:26:51 | Nico_P | once buffering was complete, pausing was instantaneous IIRC |
| 01:26:57 | kugel | Llorean: Ok sorry. I didn't pay attention to sim. No setting can be left out within the viewport definition |
| 01:29:36 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: does the audio thread need to access the disk as well while buffering for anything? |
| 01:29:44 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: yes |
| 01:30:32 | Nico_P | it reads metadata from files |
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| 01:35:09 | kugel | Ok, what's the fastest way to add "list viewport: 0,0,{LCD_WIDTH},{LCD_HEIGHT},1, FFFFFF, 000000 to every default theme? |
| 01:36:05 | linuxstb | Why not just "list viewport:" ? |
| 01:36:36 | kugel | hmm |
| 01:36:42 | kugel | good question |
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| 01:37:03 | kugel | that's a good idea. The viewport parsing function would reject it and apply the default values |
| 01:37:20 | linuxstb | What does your patch do with the unused screen area? Is it cleared? |
| 01:37:23 | kugel | which is wanted |
| 01:37:37 | kugel | linuxstb: my patch doesn't edit the parent viewport at all |
| 01:37:44 | kugel | the unused area is just fine |
| 01:39:11 | Chicory | Er, this is going to seem remedial, but I've been looking over the manual and I must be missing something. |
| 01:39:34 | Chicory | The screen blips off after let's say 10 seconds, and I don't know how to increase that value. |
| 01:39:50 | linuxstb | That's the backlight setting |
| 01:40:06 | kugel | linuxstb: Yea, just using "list viewport:" will reset the list. Of course...I wonder why I didn't come to that idea |
| 01:40:28 | Chicory | linuxstb: ... Wow. How didn't I know that? XD;;; |
| 01:41:11 | kugel | have you tried settings->general settings->display? |
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| 01:41:41 | Chicory | I guess I thought that "backlight" would be more about brightness values. XD;; |
| 01:41:52 | Chicory | And that it would be under "power settings" somewhere. |
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| 01:42:03 | pixelma | well that would be the brightness setting... |
| 01:42:29 | linuxstb | pixelma: Is there one on the Sansas though? |
| 01:42:33 | Chicory | Eh, I've just been sub-par mentally all day. :s |
| 01:42:55 | pixelma | (if setting the brightness is possible on your device) |
| 01:43:09 | pixelma | linuxstb: yes (at least I think so) |
| 01:43:16 | kugel | Chicory: I'm not entirely sure if that's given for you (since I don't know your player), but my player does show both backlight and brightness under display (display->LCD settings actually) |
| 01:43:44 | * | linuxstb thinks Chicory has got the message now... |
| 01:44:11 | pixelma | linuxstb: I was thinking correctly (or so) :) |
| 01:45:12 | * | Chicory nods. |
| 01:45:16 | Chicory | Thanks for the heads-up though. |
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| 01:45:36 | Chicory | As soon as I knew the menu I was supposed to look for, finding the setting I wanted was much easier to find. |
| 01:46:03 | pixelma | linuxstb: can you tell me now how to get the recording settings menu from within the recording screen on an Ipod? ;) |
| 01:46:22 | * | linuxstb goes to get an ipod |
| 01:48:17 | kugel | Ok, I never needed this, and I feel a bit dumb, but I just can't spot the default themes in the source. Only the wps's |
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| 01:48:59 | linuxstb | pixelma: Press MENU to leave the recording screen, then bring up the context menu on the Recording item... |
| 01:49:29 | pixelma | kugel: the cfg files will be generated during the build process with the help of WPSLIST |
| 01:49:53 | pixelma | linuxstb: that's not exactly how it works on other devices... |
| 01:50:23 | kugel | pixelma: thanks |
| 01:50:45 | pixelma | linuxstb: you can use the context menu from the menu there too but you also have the option to call it directly from within the recording screen |
| 01:50:48 | linuxstb | Other devices have more buttons... |
| 01:51:24 | pixelma | linuxstb: the OndioFM doesn't - and I get the menu there |
| 01:52:08 | linuxstb | Can you also leave the recording screen without stopping recording? |
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| 01:53:50 | pixelma | don't think so - but this sounds weird. I never would have expected this |
| 01:55:08 | linuxstb | I'm not saying the current ipod keymapping is ideal... |
| 01:55:48 | mud_rb__ | is there a way to leave the recording menu without stopping recording on some targets? |
| 01:56:05 | mud_rb__ | that would actually be nice... |
| 01:57:20 | pixelma | what is the advantage over calling the menu directly? As you say there is a "leave recording screen without stopping recording" and a "stop recording" (or should be) - so you could make the former a "call menu" or not? |
| 01:58:07 | linuxstb | You mean remove the feature to leave the recording screen without stopping? |
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| 02:00:13 | pixelma | would be the case then - I'm not aware of any other target you could do this, just wondering |
| 02:01:20 | kugel | ok, this wpsbuild.pl is over my head. never seen a perl source honestly |
| 02:01:44 | pixelma | linuxstb: is that really a "leave recording screen without stopping the recording", I can't even imagine that... |
| 02:01:51 | pixelma | ? |
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| 02:03:16 | linuxstb | No, I'm mistaken... It just does the same as "stop" (long play). So yes, that should be changed. |
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| 02:06:20 | * | pixelma doesn't know what to write in a commit message... probably too late |
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| 02:09:33 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: Shouldn't the cancel_cpu_boost call be conditional so it's not called if still buffering? |
| 02:11:01 | kugel | linuxstb: Not sure, if i it's matters. But how to I make wpsbuild.pl clear, that it should insert "list viewport:" only if the target has HAVE_LCD_BITMAP? |
| 02:11:04 | jhMikeS | the queue_peek call seems like it can just be queue_empty again since it doesn't need the message id now |
| 02:12:29 | kugel | Everyone else is free to answer my question too |
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| 02:31:31 | kugel | >_< |
| 02:31:44 | kugel | need help with wpsbuild.pl |
| 02:33:36 | kugel | "list viewport:" doesn't show up in the theme.cfg |
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| 02:46:29 | kugel | linuxstb: wouldn't you think that "list viewport: default" or "list viewport: -" is better than just "list viewport:" |
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| 02:46:49 | kugel | though, it'd probably misslead from the syntax |
| 02:46:58 | Llorean | kugel: Leaving it blank is also how you reset a backdrop, iirc |
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| 02:47:36 | kugel | Llorean: I'm can't get blank to work, will take a look at backdrop |
| 02:47:46 | kugel | s/I'm/I |
| 02:48:26 | linuxstb | kugel: Do you have a patch for wpsbuild.pl |
| 02:48:27 | linuxstb | ? |
| 02:48:44 | kugel | linuxstb: No |
| 02:49:09 | linuxstb | I mean can you post a patch with your changes? |
| 02:50:19 | kugel | wait a second |
| 02:50:35 | kugel | I'm copying from the backdrop section right now, that'll probably work |
| 02:51:27 | kugel | Ok, works |
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| 02:56:26 | Gartral | hello |
| 02:56:45 | linuxstb | hi |
| 02:57:38 | Beta2K | Can I easily compile just a plugin without going through the whole build process? |
| 02:57:46 | Gartral | could soeone tell me why theres a buzzing sound in the segment of a recording that the lcd screen was active? |
| 02:58:09 | linuxstb | Gartral: Are you using a Sansa? |
| 02:58:21 | Gartral | e250 |
| 02:58:23 | linuxstb | Beta2K: No. "make rocks" is the closest. |
| 02:58:33 | linuxstb | Gartral: I believe that's a known hardware issue. |
| 02:59:22 | Gartral | but unlike the listed issue, i only hear the buzzing in a recording done from mic, and not in general useage |
| 02:59:44 | Gartral | i dont have the buzzing anywhere else |
| 02:59:51 | kugel | meh, I copied from backdrop, and now I have list viewport twice |
| 02:59:53 | kugel | :/ |
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| 03:00:21 | linuxstb | Gartral: I thought the problem was that the mic picked up electrical noise from the LCD? |
| 03:00:54 | Gartral | thats MY problem, the listed problem it interference in playback of ANY song |
| 03:00:59 | linuxstb | Gartral: But I don't know the Sansa hardware, so probably best to wait for someone who does... |
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| 03:02:04 | Gartral | merh... i like it anyway, i got the sansa specifically for rockbox |
| 03:02:42 | Llorean | Gartral: You won't hear it during playback unless you have low impedance headphones. |
| 03:03:01 | Llorean | It's a lot easier to get it while recording, since everyone has the same internal mic. :-P |
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| 03:03:13 | Beta2K | Thanks linuxstb |
| 03:03:25 | Gartral | i wear a $3 pair, and a $50 pair, i dont hear it either way |
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| 03:03:50 | kugel | linuxstb: Done. But not yet prepared for default customlists (i.e. list viewport: 0,0,...."), only for default "list viewport:" |
| 03:03:59 | Llorean | Gartral: And I can hear it with my $20 pair, and not my $80 pair. It's the impedance and sensitivity that matter, which doesn't actually bear any real relation to cost. |
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| 03:04:06 | kugel | s/list/"list |
| 03:04:27 | Beta2K | Pourly designed HV supply for the LCD? |
| 03:04:33 | Beta2K | poorly |
| 03:04:54 | Gartral | true, and seeing as the package just said Sanyo Headphone and no info, i cant give the impedence levels |
| 03:05:22 | kugel | linuxstb: I'm gonna upload the complete patch to the tracker now |
| 03:05:33 | mud_rb__ | Gartral: that's what the internet is for :) but if you don't have the problem, it seems rather pointless...even if you do i guess |
| 03:06:04 | Gartral | but the mic picks up the buzz... and it gets captured in the audio... |
| 03:06:13 | linuxstb | kugel: It would be useful if you could describe your changes, plus what you think is left to do with the patch. |
| 03:06:47 | kugel | linuxstb: sure, I was about to do that :) changed much since the v5 version |
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| 03:06:51 | mud_rb__ | Gartral: yeah, happens on mine too. i just set the backlight to turn off really quick when i need to record, i don't think there's much else you can do |
| 03:07:00 | kugel | linuxstb: I wonder if you are really interested in this patch |
| 03:07:11 | kugel | or any other dev |
| 03:07:23 | Gartral | i just switch lock and BL goes out :P |
| 03:07:52 | Gartral | wait, patch for what? |
| 03:08:08 | kugel | linuxstb: What I forgot: I asked you some minutes ago how to tell wpsbuild.pl that this setting should only go into the cfg if the target has HAVE_LCD_BITMAP |
| 03:09:37 | Llorean | Gartral: List viewports, more than one conversation is happening at once here. |
| 03:09:42 | Gartral | also, just quick random bug, turning Rockdoom sideways and booting ANY wad causes the player to crash with a error code |
| 03:09:59 | Gartral | ok, thought it was pertaining too mw |
| 03:10:03 | Gartral | me* |
| 03:12:04 | linuxstb | kugel: I think the feature of custom list positions is generally wanted, so if your patch works well, I can't see why it won't be committed. |
| 03:13:50 | kugel | :) |
| 03:14:07 | linuxstb | kugel: Doesn't it just copy the list viewport setting from WPSLIST? |
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| 03:14:14 | kugel | y |
| 03:14:39 | kugel | I wasn't sure which theme is for what player actually, so I coped into every <wps> :/ |
| 03:15:24 | linuxstb | There's just one I think - progressive.11x2x1.wps (11x2 is the dimensions of our charcell target) |
| 03:16:34 | kugel | Do you mean that one, which only consists of the name and author? :) |
| 03:18:21 | linuxstb | Yes, there aren't many theme settings on the Player... (i.e. none) |
| 03:19:22 | kugel | ye, i see |
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| 03:24:33 | kugel | is it me, or does charcells don't know about parse_list? |
| 03:24:46 | kugel | do not* |
| 03:25:19 | kugel | ah, yea |
| 03:25:21 | kugel | why? |
| 03:25:39 | kugel | linuxstb: ^ |
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| 03:34:01 | Gartral | rockbox is amazing |
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| 03:35:23 | Gartral | anything that can take a peice of hardware that sounds like the rusty tin can orchestra, and make it sound like what it does now, truely deserves some form of applaud |
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| 03:37:19 | webguest55 | hi people i just started using this program on my ipod video 30gig last night and now it wont loadat all just wondering if someone could spare a min and help me out? |
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| 03:38:10 | webguest93 | hi people i just started using this program on my ipod video 30gig last night and now it wont loadat all just wondering if someone could spare a min and help me out? |
| 03:38:24 | kugel | linuxstb: I think i have most of your objections fixed, except the last one (I'm refering to your comment in FS8799) |
| 03:39:48 | kugel | I'm not sure how to fix that though |
| 03:40:50 | webguest93 | kugel : hi people i just started using this program on my ipod video 30gig last night and now it wont loadat all just wondering if someone could spare a min and help me out? |
| 03:41:05 | webguest93 | hay man can u help me out |
| 03:41:30 | kugel | No, sorry |
| 03:41:48 | pixelma | webguest93: did you try resetting your Ipod? |
| 03:42:17 | webguest93 | my pc dosent actualy recognise my ipod when i plug it in |
| 03:42:49 | webguest93 | i have it connected now and i have a blank screan |
| 03:44:16 | pixelma | no, I mean a manual reset, holding the reset button combo - menu+select I think for quite some time (up to 1 minute reported) |
| 03:45:00 | webguest93 | ill try holding it for a whole min |
| 03:46:58 | webguest93 | nope not even for over a min |
| 03:47:05 | webguest93 | if i sent it back t apple do you think they could reload it without recognising the change in the program |
| 03:49:00 | Llorean | webguest93: Did you turn hold off and on first? |
| 03:49:03 | Llorean | Er, on and off, rather |
| 03:49:54 | webguest93 | i togeled the hold button |
| 03:50:59 | Llorean | And nothing comes on screen at all? |
| 03:51:06 | webguest93 | nothing |
| 03:51:15 | webguest93 | it worked last night |
| 03:51:32 | webguest93 | i turned it of and on a few times testing it and it was all good |
| 03:51:39 | Llorean | Leave it in to charge for a day or two, then try again. |
| 03:51:40 | webguest93 | off* |
| 03:51:55 | Llorean | Rockbox can't prevent Menu+Select from resetting it, so there's something else going on here. |
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| 03:53:13 | webguest93 | ok cool ill try that then,i have one of the old powerpoint charger conecters so ill leave it conected to that |
| 03:54:05 | webguest93 | do you think apple would recognis it if i returned it to them to fix cause it's still in warenty |
| 03:54:23 | webguest93 | they would reset it straight off wouldent they |
| 03:54:52 | Llorean | If they look at the disk at all, they'll recognize it. As well, you've almost certainly violated your end of the warranty, so they're not obligated to fix it. |
| 03:55:33 | webguest93 | i guess the worst they will do is charge me to fix it or return it to me |
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| 03:57:10 | webguest93 | thanks for your help |
| 03:57:30 | webguest93 | Llorean* |
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| 03:58:44 | kugel | Llorean, linuxstb: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8799 I uploaded the new version |
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| 04:01:46 | kugel | comments are appreciated |
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| 04:02:43 | Llorean | kugel: I agree that other non-list screens should not be touched by this patch at all. I suspect when they're viewportified the appropriate decisions for what to do with them (inherit the list viewport, use a custom separate one, etc) can be debated. |
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| 04:03:50 | kugel | Ok, I come to the same decision |
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| 04:04:39 | kugel | if at all make them consistent, then in another patch, I'd say |
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| 04:08:37 | kugel | IMO the text editor should be allways fullscreen, with white foreground and blackground, regardless of the list or other viewports or settings |
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| 04:10:55 | Llorean | kugel: Some people might disagree (black background, white foreground or green foreground are often considered high-contrast and and "accessibility" feature) but overall, yes, it probably should reset the viewport to fullscreen and use its own settings. I'm not saying you need to implement options within it, "sane" defaults like black text on white backdrop can be used for now, I'm sure. |
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| 04:11:55 | kugel | I wasn't about to implement a setting, don't worry :) |
| 04:12:52 | kugel | the problem is only, that the viewports use the list dimensions for some reason (bug? if yes, not caused but discovered by patch). I don't really like that |
| 04:14:07 | Llorean | Don't quote me on this (I haven't really looked into the code side of viewports yet) but something I read suggests that the plugins inherit from their parent, which I guess would be the list? |
| 04:16:27 | kugel | I don't know |
| 04:16:47 | kugel | probably, I guess that's why JdGordon_ made this commit |
| 04:17:05 | kugel | to make it possible to draw into their own parent |
| 04:17:15 | kugel | (if I got this correctly) |
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| 04:18:41 | kugel | Llorean: for your information, the bin size increase with my customlist patch is 1024 bytes |
| 04:18:52 | kugel | didn't think that it would be that much |
| 04:19:56 | kugel | But I think most of this is caused by making the generic viewport parsing function, which linuxstb suggested (and which is a good idea after all) |
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| 04:20:19 | kugel | bin size increase meassured with an e200 bin btw |
| 04:20:28 | Llorean | There's always going to be some bin cost for new features. The key is spending it where it gives the most benefit. :) |
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| 04:22:33 | kugel | Sure, I totally agree |
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| 04:24:19 | kugel | I just made the settings, since I absolutely hate hidden settings, you know |
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| 04:26:28 | kugel | linuxstb: aww, I wanted to post a patch fixing those #ifdefs :( |
| 04:28:10 | kugel | just kidding |
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| 04:48:29 | scorche | 8 lines in a row =/ |
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| 05:40:39 | mud-rb_ | what exactly does the "debug" option do in configure (for advanced build types)? does it only have meaning for the simulator or something? because i can never seem to get it to build on e200... |
| 05:40:59 | mud-rb_ | i mean when i try to build for the actual device, not the sim |
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| 05:43:51 | Terra | hello? |
| 05:44:47 | Terra | Uh, if anyone can actually see me, and I'm not lagging, could someone please help me out with the themes for rockbox (iPod Nano)? |
| 05:45:18 | mud-rb_ | what do you need help with specifically? |
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| 06:37:20 | Klapaucius | anyone here a sansa e200 user? |
| 06:37:41 | mud-rb | yes |
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| 06:38:21 | Klapaucius | do you use the bookmark feature? |
| 06:38:42 | mud-rb | not really, no |
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| 06:38:58 | mud-rb | if you ask your question someone might be able to help anyways |
| 06:39:03 | Klapaucius | it doesn't appear to work on mine |
| 06:39:12 | Klapaucius | I can open the bookmark menu |
| 06:39:21 | Klapaucius | but I can't seem to create a new bookmark |
| 06:40:23 | Klapaucius | any ideas? |
| 06:40:32 | mud-rb | does it give you an error or anything? i don't have any music on my player right this second (working on a plugin) so i can't really try it. |
| 06:40:57 | mud-rb | and has it ever worked, or is this the first time you're trying it? |
| 06:41:15 | Klapaucius | first time I'm trying it |
| 06:41:17 | Klapaucius | no errors |
| 06:41:22 | Klapaucius | just no action whatsoever |
| 06:42:34 | mud-rb | let me look in the manual, i don't even know what that feature is supposed to do... (did you by the way? some features are...less than obvious without checking the manual) |
| 06:44:04 | Klapaucius | thought I did |
| 06:44:16 | Klapaucius | seemed pretty straightforward |
| 06:44:18 | Klapaucius | (thanks) |
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| 06:46:00 | mud-rb | if i understand this correctly, it's just supposed to create a bookmark file when you tell it to. it doesn't really mention any other response. have you tried loading the file again after turning on the "Load Last Bookmark" option? |
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| 06:47:05 | Klapaucius | yeah, there are no bookmarks created in the first place |
| 06:47:12 | Klapaucius | I get a message saying 'no bookmarks' |
| 06:49:06 | mud-rb | this mentions a "Maintain a List of Recently Used Bookmarks" option. is that turned on? (assuming that the Recent Bookmarks menu is where you are looking) |
| 06:50:13 | Klapaucius | yep |
| 06:50:16 | Klapaucius | all options are enabled |
| 06:51:54 | mud-rb | then i'm not sure. is this a recent build of rockbox? not that i'd expect it to matter much, i'm fairly sure this feature has been stable for quite some time... |
| 06:52:11 | Klapaucius | yeah, recent build |
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| 06:55:18 | mud-rb | you might try looking directly for the .bmark file on the drive, see if it's created at all. i'm not sure i'm reading this right, but it seems like it should be in the same directory as the sound file |
| 06:55:50 | mud-rb | other than that, you might have to wait for the guys that know what they're doing to return from idle :) |
| 06:56:25 | Klapaucius | I'll check the forums, but thanks a lot for your time! |
| 06:56:33 | mud-rb | np, sorry i couldn't really help |
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| 09:50:25 | mrkiko | Hi all ! |
| 09:50:28 | mrkiko | I'm finally back again |
| 09:50:31 | mrkiko | :) |
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| 09:50:38 | mrkiko | I would like to ask a question... |
| 09:50:56 | mrkiko | Why does actually rockbox restart the same song when advancing in playlist? |
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| 09:52:29 | mrkiko | It happens reliably effectively when auto-change dir is enabled and you press "next" when you're listening the last song. At that point the song will restart and if you press "next" again, then the second song in the next dir is played, the first is skipped. |
| 09:52:30 | Cricri | Yay, just received my Sansa e270 |
| 09:52:37 | mrkiko | To listen to the first song you should: |
| 09:52:40 | Cricri | Now checking the instructions before jumping in |
| 09:52:45 | mrkiko | * press twice the "back key" |
| 09:52:52 | mrkiko | * press wtice the next key |
| 09:54:15 | mrkiko | This has always been a rockbox behaviour... |
| 09:54:49 | mrkiko | And another note: rockbox crashes not reliably when I'm on the file browser and no songs are playing. When songs are playing it works fine (never crashed) |
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| 10:04:44 | mrkiko | ol_schoola: yuu at school also! |
| 10:04:47 | mrkiko | :) good |
| 10:05:19 | mrkiko | Cricri: instructions located at? |
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| 13:24:51 | leftright | Rockbox's primary function is music playback right ?, so how come playback is broken ?, and it has been broken for a while, playback is broken in the sense that when a track change occurs it will sometimes play the same track AGAIN, or it will repeat track "x" a few tracks down the road. It would be nice to at least have FUNCTIONAL playback on my music player, as it stands rockbox is irritating to use |
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| 13:25:55 | preglow | leftright: well, no one has told us, obviously |
| 13:26:07 | preglow | leftright: file a bug report, if anyone had noticed it, it would surely have been fixed |
| 13:26:37 | Buschel | ahh, good you're here preglow. i've read the logs and saw my change shows errors... |
| 13:26:39 | pixelma | preglow: ? (known to me, and there were a few complaints here,,,) |
| 13:27:18 | leftright | preglow, I reall;y respect the work you put in, but I am fed up with the issues that playback has, my H140 is a music playback machine, so at least get that right |
| 13:27:18 | Buschel | i can reproduce the error |
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| 13:28:10 | preglow | Buschel: ah, good, i was just thinking about telling you :) |
| 13:28:42 | preglow | Buschel: storing double words needs the pointer to be dword aligned, and i don't know if that is guaranteed for that particular pointer |
| 13:28:43 | pixelma | leftright: umm... do you think that this tone will get it done quicker? If it was easy someone had fixed it... try fix it yourself and file a patch... |
| 13:28:49 | Buschel | preglow: if i change the asm-code to only process 1 sample per loop it still crashes :/ |
| 13:29:01 | preglow | Buschel: weird |
| 13:29:08 | Buschel | preglow: now trying to use strh instead of packing |
| 13:29:17 | preglow | Buschel: but data abort means something is unaligned |
| 13:29:19 | Buschel | crashed |
| 13:29:29 | preglow | and a int16 pointer being unaligned is rare |
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| 13:30:41 | leftright | pixelma, no that tone wont, but this bug has been evident for while, and in the ,meanwhile while important bugs persist rockbox gets prettier |
| 13:30:54 | Buschel | preglow: now it crashed in fiq_handler (pcm-pp,o) |
| 13:32:05 | leftright | the question is, what is more important a "pretty" looking rockbox, or a solid playback engine ? |
| 13:32:07 | Buschel | gotta rebuild |
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| 13:33:57 | pixelma | leftright: but you can't force people to work on everything, for example it would not be possible for me at all to change something in the playback engine without studying C and this specific code for I don't know... a year? |
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| 13:35:52 | leftright | piexlma, I understand, and you do good work in your field, but while advancement is good surely having the basic functionality of a music player working right is important and should take priority over "beautification" |
| 13:36:19 | leftright | pexelma not piexlma |
| 13:36:30 | leftright | urrgh, pixelma |
| 13:37:15 | pixelma | I would rather want stable playback too but I know I can't force it this way |
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| 13:40:00 | Buschel | preglow: hmm, when using strh for each sample instead of packing it crashes in fiq_playback() (pcm-pp.o) |
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| 13:41:36 | leftright | I understand, but rockbox's functionality is slowly being eroded by "bug creep", as it is I dont use any of the exotic features due to bug's, I really just use default settings, and even basic functionality is becoming buggy, not good for rockbox's credibility |
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| 13:44:33 | * | amiconn wonders why leftright doesn't use the magics of TAB completion ;) |
| 13:44:45 | DerPapst | leftright: if you read the logs of the past 2 month you'll notice that the core devs are aware of the various playback bugs and that they try to fix them. A lot have been fixed already. However, some bugfixed make new bugs appear. |
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| 13:45:29 | DerPapst | s/bugfixed/bugfixes |
| 13:45:36 | leftright | amiconn; because sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't |
| 13:47:20 | DerPapst | pixelma: just a year? ;-) |
| 13:47:31 | pixelma | the tab completion works only with one character, e.g. for my nick you can only type "p" and then "tab" a few times through the list of nicks starting with "p" |
| 13:48:02 | pixelma | DerPapst: maybe, if I don't sleep and eat etc. ;) |
| 13:48:20 | DerPapst | hehe :-) |
| 13:48:20 | leftright | yes, true, but then I find it quicker to type the name, but today I'm dyslexic :-) |
| 13:49:13 | DerPapst | tabcompletition works for several characters for me. e.g. pi<tab> |
| 13:49:20 | pixelma | I meant the tab completion in the webclient |
| 13:49:51 | * | DerPapst loves tabcompletition, esp. for nicks like lambdacalulus37 |
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| 13:49:56 | DerPapst | ahh |
| 13:50:06 | DerPapst | well, nvm then |
| 13:50:12 | pixelma | that wouldn't have happened if he was around :P |
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| 13:51:42 | leftright | thanks for work you put in, I just had to voice my opinion, even if it is ignored by the "managers" of this project |
| 13:52:02 | * | amiconn agrees with leftright |
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| 13:52:22 | amiconn | Unfortunately the swcodec playback engine is something I can't really help with |
| 13:52:56 | Nico_P | linuxstb: thanks for the cleanup on the backdrop defines... but what's the diff between HAVE_LCD_REMOTE and HAVE_REMOTE_LCD? |
| 13:53:38 | amiconn | If you want to use rockbox *and* want stable playback, a hwcodec target is still the only option |
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| 13:53:58 | amiconn | Nico_P: The former is wrong, and the latter is correct |
| 13:54:13 | amiconn | HAVE_LCD_REMOTE simply doesn't exist |
| 13:54:19 | Nico_P | oh... |
| 13:54:41 | leftright | amiconn, I know that some of you put in really good work in your respective fields, and there are several of you that put in good hours here, and I do appreciate that, but the "mangers" of this project are absent with the result that bug creep is affecting basic functionality of rockbox |
| 13:55:23 | amiconn | There are no managers in that sense, as rockbox is a community project |
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| 13:55:54 | Buschel | preglow: i can only reproduce the crash when using crossfade and skipping a lot. if the problem might be that the *dst pointer is unaligned -> pcmbuf_request_buffer() might return the pointer unaligned, correct? |
| 13:56:06 | Nico_P | leftright: I'm one of the people working on the playback engine. I know about the track skipping bugs, but currently I have no idea why they appear. some help reproducing them would be warmly welcomed |
| 13:56:08 | DerPapst | as i said, it is known that there are problems and the persons familiar with this part of the code are working on fixing things. |
| 13:56:13 | Nico_P | while being shouted at isn't |
| 13:56:43 | preglow | Buschel: well, sounds logical |
| 13:57:10 | amiconn | Why would a sample pointer ever become unaligned? |
| 13:57:12 | Buschel | preglow: who is into this stuff? |
| 13:57:20 | preglow | Nico_P, jhMikeS |
| 13:57:20 | preglow | i believe |
| 13:57:44 | Nico_P | pondlife helps too |
| 13:57:57 | preglow | deed |
| 13:58:07 | Nico_P | and lostlogic |
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| 13:59:34 | leftright | Nico_P; basically, I start playback from stop by inserting a album (filetree), I then add two or three more albums, it then plays the first song and when changing tracks it might play the same song again or it will play the first song again after three songs have played |
| 13:59:51 | Nico_P | leftright: on what target? |
| 13:59:56 | leftright | H140, Random folder advance is on |
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| 14:00:00 | linuxstb | leftright: Does it happen if you don't add a second or third album? |
| 14:00:07 | leftright | yes |
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| 14:00:24 | Nico_P | and what about random folder advance? is it needed for the bug to appear? |
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| 14:00:37 | leftright | that i haven't tried yet |
| 14:00:39 | Nico_P | also, does someone know which targets this bug has appeared on? all SWCODEC? |
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| 14:01:04 | DerPapst | I had id about 1,5 months ago on my 5.5G as well. |
| 14:01:12 | DerPapst | repeating tracks that is. |
| 14:01:32 | Nico_P | ok then I'll be able to repro if I'm lucky... I think it only happened to me once |
| 14:01:39 | Nico_P | what about the sim? |
| 14:02:01 | DerPapst | but i haven't used rockbox longer then 15 minutes since then, so i don't know if it has been fixed yet. |
| 14:02:14 | pixelma | seen it on my Sansa and I believe in the sim too |
| 14:02:24 | DerPapst | i noticed that while a 5hour car trip. |
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| 14:03:40 | * | DerPapst only has a hand full of songs for the sim, so he wouldn't notice any repeats. |
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| 14:05:06 | Nico_P | leftright: I'd like to know which bugss you find most annoying currently? are there others apart from that one (FS #8513, right?) ? |
| 14:05:34 | * | Nico_P will be back in a few minutes |
| 14:07:08 | leftright | Nico_P; #8513 is to me the most annoying as it affects basic functionality of the principal feature of a music playback device |
| 14:09:04 | leftright | its like having a tv set that changes channels on its own, said tv is of no use |
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| 14:14:46 | BigBambi | How much did you pay for the TV compared to Rockbox? |
| 14:15:36 | leftright | thats not the pint here |
| 14:15:43 | leftright | point=pint |
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| 14:15:50 | BigBambi | It is if you want to compare to a TV |
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| 14:16:10 | BigBambi | We all find the playback bugs annoying, but having such a bad attitude won't help |
| 14:17:46 | XavierGr | leftright: I understand your furstration but unfortunately you can't do much about it. |
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| 14:18:14 | BigBambi | I understand the frustration too, but coming in like that is not going to induce people to donate more of their spare time |
| 14:18:24 | XavierGr | leftright: Stress testing can be a big help and if you ever find a way to reproduce the said problem report it immediately |
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| 14:20:42 | XavierGr | BigBambi: yes I agree "bitching" can't help (no offense) :P |
| 14:21:07 | BigBambi | XavierGr: Yeah, it is only likely to make people think "Sod you then" in my opinion |
| 14:21:53 | * | XavierGr just learnt a new word :) |
| 14:21:58 | BigBambi | sod? |
| 14:22:07 | XavierGr | yeah never heard that one before |
| 14:22:15 | BigBambi | It's a British term |
| 14:26:34 | * | Nico_P was a bit annoyed but admits leftright makes a valid point |
| 14:26:40 | BigBambi | Exactly so |
| 14:27:22 | BigBambi | The point is valid, but the attitude was counter-productive |
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| 14:29:37 | Nico_P | leftright: have you been able to verify the link with the rebuffering? and does it also happen on manual skips? |
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| 14:34:24 | leftright | Nico_P; the HDD light doesn't illuminate prior of post this problem, so i guess that it wasn't buffering at the time, and after skipping past the repeated file it plays fine for a while again |
| 14:36:38 | leftright | I really respect what you guys do here, but I worry that rockbox is becoming rudderless, and loosing direction |
| 14:36:51 | BigBambi | It is a community project |
| 14:37:03 | BigBambi | You cannot force people to work on things they do not want to |
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| 15:34:59 | * | domonok1 wonders how that "video streaming plugin" (gsoc application to rockbox) should work... seems strange.. |
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| 15:37:55 | * | domonok1 also wonders what rfid freight tracking has to do with rockbox.. ( another gsoc application).. ? :-/ |
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| 15:52:27 | Nico_P | domonok1: there's no way to distinguish between 30G and 60/80G videos in rbutil? |
| 15:53:11 | domonok1 | Nico_P: you have to choose the 60Gb yourself, it will both as 30GB.. |
| 15:53:16 | domonok1 | +detect |
| 15:53:21 | Nico_P | ok |
| 15:53:51 | domonok1 | because ipodpatcher also cant distinguish, and the usbids are also the same.. |
| 15:54:30 | domonok1 | so the only way would be to somehow ask for the disksize, and thats difficult to do on 3 different targets :-) |
| 15:55:48 | Nico_P | yeah, I was a bit surprised but then I remembered it wasn't really possibke |
| 15:56:33 | Nico_P | domonok1: btw, I agree with you on the new GSoC proposals... there's hardly relevant to rockbox |
| 15:57:53 | Nico_P | I hope we're going to get some better ones |
| 15:58:14 | domonok1 | me hopes too |
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| 15:58:56 | Horscht | If only I were able to code... |
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| 16:05:18 | DerPapst | domonok1: not sure but i remember that the firmware partitions size is different on the 30GB and 60/80GB iPods. And since ipodpatcher can read/parse the partition table i think it should be possible that ipodpatcher can "guess" the RAM size. |
| 16:06:50 | DerPapst | though it isn't 100% reliable, since apple sold refurbed iPods with 32MB ram and large harddrives. |
| 16:09:17 | DerPapst | hhmmm... interesting gsoc apps. |
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| 16:09:35 | Horscht | where are they? |
| 16:10:12 | Nico_P | DerPapst: "interesting" isn't the word that comes to my mind |
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| 16:11:14 | Nico_P | DerPapst: you're a potential mentor? |
| 16:11:18 | DerPapst | heh.. there was a tad sarcasm included in this statement ;-) |
| 16:11:46 | Horscht | where can I have a look at the apps? |
| 16:11:47 | DerPapst | oh no... i'm more thinking of being a student |
| 16:11:57 | DerPapst | you can't yet. |
| 16:12:09 | Horscht | awww.. ( |
| 16:13:18 | DerPapst | iirc there are now 4 apps. THe usabillity study, the Theme editor (Rincewinds app) and the 2 domonok1 mentioned. |
| 16:14:00 | domonok1 | and only one usefull app... :-/ |
| 16:14:27 | Horscht | theme editor I assume |
| 16:14:32 | DerPapst | I hope the 2 guys with the rm codec and the LLVM thingy apply too. |
| 16:14:54 | DerPapst | s/thingy/compiler |
| 16:15:00 | DerPapst | :-) |
| 16:15:08 | Horscht | at least theme editor sounds like the only rockbox related task |
| 16:15:43 | DerPapst | but videostreaming sounds fun too. |
| 16:15:53 | * | DerPapst buys a wifi dongle for his ipod |
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| 16:19:45 | * | DerPapst should finish his gsoc application proposal (the "Benefit to the Rockbox project" part is hard for not so important game plugin). |
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| 16:22:57 | Horscht | what does a usability study have to do with coding btw? |
| 16:23:21 | Rincewind | DerPapst: If there aren't enough other applications then I think your proposal would be accepted despite a weak importance |
| 16:23:36 | DerPapst | changing keymaps and menus after finishing the study. |
| 16:23:57 | * | DerPapst hopes so too :-P |
| 16:24:26 | Horscht | ah, so the study would also involve actualy coding the proposed changes |
| 16:24:33 | Rincewind | changing keymaps and menus, because a student wants it? before that hell freezes over... |
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| 16:25:33 | Rincewind | well, it can can happen with good comunication and politics. I guess this makes usability study a hard project then. |
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| 16:27:50 | DerPapst | yeah. but the coding isn't such a big bussiness then anymore. Rearranging the menus and changing keymaps can be done in probably less then 2 days. |
| 16:29:21 | Rincewind | designing a new ui based on viewports would take a little longer |
| 16:30:21 | DerPapst | well the menus (aka list code/appearance) don't have to be changed. they're intuitive enough. |
| 16:30:42 | DerPapst | and the recording screen and fm screen need a rewrite anyways. |
| 16:31:39 | Horscht | well, the order of the main menu could be re-aranged |
| 16:31:53 | Horscht | moves "settings" further down |
| 16:32:11 | * | Rincewind can conduct his own usebility study next week because he is buying sansa c240 for his friends |
| 16:32:16 | DerPapst | yes. but that is easy. |
| 16:32:36 | DerPapst | and there is already a new proposal on the wiki |
| 16:33:02 | Horscht | oooh, where? |
| 16:33:34 | * | DerPapst looks |
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| 16:35:03 | DerPapst | Horscht: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MenuLayoutDiscussion |
| 16:35:53 | DerPapst | hi gevaerts :-) |
| 16:36:20 | Horscht | ty |
| 16:36:38 | * | gevaerts just skimmed over the two new gsoc proposals, and wonders if those people actually even searched for rockbox on the web at all |
| 16:36:45 | DerPapst | hehe |
| 16:36:59 | gevaerts | Hi DerPapst! How's your application coming along ? :) |
| 16:37:26 | DerPapst | i'm at the "Benefit to the Rockbox project" part. |
| 16:37:39 | DerPapst | ...and having a hard time |
| 16:38:04 | gevaerts | Try 'helping rockbox get enough gsoc projects' ;) |
| 16:38:25 | BigBambi | I would have thought that was fairly essential, and one of the things you would know before proposing it? |
| 16:38:26 | DerPapst | heh... |
| 16:38:42 | BigBambi | If it doesn't benefit rockbox... |
| 16:39:07 | DerPapst | BigBambi: Yet another game isn't very important for rockbox... |
| 16:39:12 | gevaerts | Well, games attract users |
| 16:39:23 | BigBambi | DerPapst: Ah, a game |
| 16:39:23 | DerPapst | this is actually the way i'm going |
| 16:39:34 | Horscht | "the plugin system in rockbox is a very handy and popular feature of rockbox. Addiontaly <insert game here> is a very popular game and will probably increase rockbox' popularity!" |
| 16:40:10 | Horscht | this sentence is GPL |
| 16:40:20 | gevaerts | "This game will attract more users, so people like BigBambi will be even busier keeping the forums clean" :) |
| 16:40:25 | * | DerPapst Ctrl+C's and Ctrl+P's |
| 16:40:28 | BigBambi | Is it a competition to use the word popular (and variations) as many times as possible in the smallest number of words :) |
| 16:40:39 | Horscht | CTRL+P ? |
| 16:40:45 | BigBambi | gevaerts: hehe :) |
| 16:40:46 | DerPapst | s/P/V |
| 16:40:55 | Horscht | ah, thought so |
| 16:41:21 | * | DerPapst doesn'T want to print the entire log... |
| 16:42:08 | * | gevaerts thinks that the "Benefit to the Rockbox project" part is probably mostly needed to see if the applicant knows what rockbox is, in an indirect way |
| 16:42:35 | Horscht | I change the license of my sentence from GPL to WTFPL |
| 16:42:41 | DerPapst | i know what rockbox is about. may i skip that part? ;-) |
| 16:43:04 | gevaerts | No. |
| 16:43:21 | DerPapst | awww :-( |
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| 16:44:25 | DerPapst | Actually this sections starts with "I know that rockbox is all about music playback [...]" |
| 16:44:28 | DerPapst | heh |
| 16:45:45 | Horscht | yay for /notic |
| 16:46:09 | DerPapst | ;-) |
| 16:47:26 | gevaerts | DerPapst: you're lying! You _do_ know that rockbox is mostly about pointless discussions on irc ! |
| 16:48:40 | DerPapst | true indeed.. how could i forget. |
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| 16:49:32 | gevaerts | But maybe you are smart in accidentally forgetting that part in yout application ;) |
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| 16:49:52 | DerPapst | hehe |
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| 16:57:05 | * | gevaerts thinks that "an RFID system for rockbox player tracking" would be an interesting project that could benefit some developers |
| 16:58:08 | * | BigBambi gets his tin hat |
| 16:58:14 | Horscht | "oh, crap, where the hell in this mess is my player?" |
| 16:58:44 | Horscht | DerPapst, what game are you inteding to port in the GSOC anyways? |
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| 17:01:15 | gevaerts | Horscht: IIRC it's Battleships, with AI |
| 17:01:43 | DerPapst | yes |
| 17:02:08 | Horscht | yay, battleship |
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| 17:03:03 | * | DerPapst doesn't see how RFIDs could benefit rockbox. |
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| 17:06:56 | gevaerts | DerPapst: are you planning on writing this from scratch, or will you reuse code from gbatnav or kbattleship (or another one that I don't know) ? |
| 17:07:15 | DerPapst | write it from scratch. |
| 17:07:28 | Rincewind | the radio frequency beams improve the sound of mp3s with very high bitrates! |
| 17:07:31 | DerPapst | i didn't even know this 2 programs exists |
| 17:07:39 | * | gevaerts likes the idea of google paying 5000 USD to let him play battleships :) |
| 17:09:49 | toffe82 | too bad there is not a gsoh (google summer of hardware) :) |
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| 17:10:40 | * | DerPapst only know 2 people that might be attracted to gsoh... ;-) |
| 17:10:49 | DerPapst | including you toffe82 :-) |
| 17:11:13 | toffe82 | :) |
| 17:11:21 | gevaerts | DerPapst: I found them by 'apt-cache search battleship' |
| 17:12:10 | * | gevaerts would expect more than two people for gsoh. No idea how many of them are students... |
| 17:13:02 | * | Rincewind would like a vhdl fpga project for summer of code |
| 17:13:30 | * | gevaerts waits for a theme editor in vhdl :) |
| 17:14:01 | * | bertrik has only a vague idea what gsoh stands for and doubts if it is rockbox related |
| 17:14:09 | Buschel | preglow: do you know of anyone else who could reproduce the crossfade-issue (and can build a software)? |
| 17:14:43 | DerPapst | gbatnav seems to be waays to heavy for a port... and kbattleship seems similar, except my version won't have that pretty graphics probably. |
| 17:15:06 | DerPapst | bertrik: google summer of hardware. |
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| 17:16:52 | gevaerts | DerPapst: I didn't really look at them, but knowing what names starting with g or k usually imply, you are probably right |
| 17:16:53 | bertrik | Buschel: I have a sansa e260, I can build the software and won't mind spending 1 or 2 hours trying to reproduce a problem |
| 17:18:29 | Buschel | betrik: great! can you please apply the following patch -> http://pastebin.com/m18d330ba |
| 17:19:01 | bertrik | if that's a solution to a problem, I better reproduce the problem first |
| 17:19:12 | Buschel | betrik: enable crossfade and skip between songs. just check whether there is either any crash or noise |
| 17:19:44 | Buschel | betrik: i have it each dozen track changes or so (without the patch) |
| 17:20:00 | bertrik | ok, I'll revert to standard settings and enable cross-fade |
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| 17:34:06 | toffe82 | Davide-NYC: hello |
| 17:34:14 | Davide-NYC | hello |
| 17:34:23 | bertrik | Buschel: so far I skipped through about 30 songs back and forth I've not seen any crashes or heard any glitches |
| 17:34:41 | bertrik | I'm seeing some other weirdness but I'm not sure it's related to cross-fade |
| 17:34:49 | Buschel | hmm, bad. |
| 17:37:59 | Buschel | i've posted it to flyspray. hopefully somebody of the users who have this failure can check it. |
| 17:38:08 | Buschel | betrik: thanks for your time! :) |
| 17:38:39 | bertrik | ok, no problem. What is the FS#? If I do find the problem, I'll add it to the tracker. |
| 17:39:02 | Buschel | #8651 |
| 17:41:16 | bertrik | I did see very weird (negative) values in the real and usefl bars in the buffering thread debug screen |
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| 17:47:48 | TaylorKillian | hello everybody |
| 17:48:13 | gevaerts | Hi TaylorKillian! Are you still considering a gsoc proect ? |
| 17:48:24 | TaylorKillian | yup |
| 17:48:56 | TaylorKillian | still trying to find out exactly what i need to do for the arm emulator ;) |
| 17:49:04 | ceclin | how many applications have been submitted so far? |
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| 17:49:25 | gevaerts | Great! Always good to have someone really look into a project before applying |
| 17:50:32 | Nico_P | ceclin: we have 5 so far |
| 17:51:14 | gevaerts | ceclin: five, I would say that only one or two are any use (the others are either bad or not rockbox related) |
| 17:51:20 | TaylorKillian | Is Linus Feltzing on this channel? |
| 17:51:41 | gevaerts | His nick is LinusN. He seems not to be here right now |
| 17:51:51 | ceclin | I'm working on my proposal right now, I hope to have it in later on in the day. |
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| 17:52:25 | TaylorKillian | gevaerts: Alright thanks, I think he'll be able to help me out the most. |
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| 17:53:17 | Nico_P | bertrik: the negative values in the buffering screen aren't too worrying I think... |
| 17:53:33 | kugel | Nico_P: why can't everyone see those applications? |
| 17:53:41 | DerPapst | Nico_P: what is the 5th? |
| 17:53:46 | Nico_P | kugel: they're visible to mentors only |
| 17:53:55 | kugel | :( |
| 17:54:03 | Nico_P | DerPapst: another usability study proposal |
| 17:54:07 | DerPapst | heh |
| 17:54:18 | kugel | DerPapst: You seem to know about the applications, are you a mentor? |
| 17:54:45 | DerPapst | nope... just a good reader :-P |
| 17:54:47 | kugel | ("DerPapst: iirc there are now 4 apps. THe usabillity study, the Theme editor (Rincewinds app) and the 2 domonok1 mentioned.") |
| 17:54:57 | linuxstb_ | ceclin: What have you decided to go for? RealAudio or game codecs? |
| 17:54:59 | kugel | ah ok |
| 17:55:26 | kugel | linuxstb_: how do you like my latest version of customlist? :) |
| 17:55:34 | DerPapst | ceclin: or maybe both? ;-) |
| 17:55:51 | gevaerts | TaylorKillian: If I remember correctly, saratoga is the one who put the ARM emulator on the possible project list, so you might also talk to him. |
| 17:56:00 | * | BigBambi is a big fan of more codecs |
| 17:56:06 | linuxstb_ | kugel: Try setting a list viewport starting at 0,0 when the statusbar is enabled... |
| 17:56:21 | ceclin | I figured I'd do RealAudio as implementing game codecs wouldn't take all 3 months. Though in my proposal I said id do both if theres time |
| 17:56:27 | kugel | linuxstb_: the list gets moved down |
| 17:56:31 | kugel | at least it should |
| 17:56:35 | linuxstb_ | kugel: Try it... |
| 17:56:38 | TaylorKillian | gevaerts: cool, I'll try to contact him. thanks |
| 17:56:39 | DerPapst | ceclin: yay! |
| 17:56:39 | * | Horscht is also a big fan of more codecs |
| 17:56:42 | BigBambi | ceclin: cool |
| 17:56:58 | C2H5OH | hi |
| 17:57:00 | Horscht | not for using them, but for the sake of knowing to be able to use them |
| 17:57:03 | * | gevaerts wants more codecs on rockbox, but not in general |
| 17:57:17 | DerPapst | C2H5OH: nice nick... |
| 17:57:23 | bertrik | what codecs would be useful for rockbox? |
| 17:57:24 | C2H5OH | thanks :-) |
| 17:57:37 | BigBambi | bertrik: Any and all? :P |
| 17:57:40 | gevaerts | bertrik: .au ? |
| 17:57:41 | Nico_P | what molecule is that? |
| 17:57:43 | * | DerPapst dreams of beer... |
| 17:57:48 | DerPapst | alcohol |
| 17:57:49 | bertrik | ethanol i guess |
| 17:57:49 | C2H5OH | I was wondering if it's possible to *replace* the ipod nano (1st gen) firmware by the rockbox firmware |
| 17:57:49 | Nico_P | ethanol? |
| 17:57:52 | BigBambi | Nico_P: ethanol |
| 17:57:53 | DerPapst | yep |
| 17:57:55 | * | domonok1 thinks the student with the new usability application, didnt really read our website.. :-) |
| 17:58:01 | C2H5OH | yes, it's ethanol |
| 17:58:06 | kugel | linuxstb_: doh! |
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| 17:58:25 | BigBambi | DerPapst: the OH functional group is an alcohol group - ethanol is just one of many :) |
| 17:58:33 | kugel | linuxstb_: did you know about that or was that just a guess? if yes, why didn't you comment in the fs tast |
| 17:58:39 | kugel | s/tast/task |
| 17:58:44 | Horscht | C2H5OH, if you install the rockbox boot loader, rockbox will boot by default |
| 17:58:51 | DerPapst | I know :-P I wan't sure if everyone here knows what ethanol is ;-) |
| 17:58:59 | C2H5OH | Horscht: yeah, but I still have around 90 megs wasted |
| 17:59:11 | C2H5OH | 90 megs can hold some more mp3's |
| 17:59:16 | BigBambi | C2H5OH: Yes, I believe there is a fucntion of ipodpatcher that will replace it altogether |
| 17:59:17 | bertrik | gevaerts: oh I thought .au was very similar to wav and hardly needs a codec, but I'll look it up |
| 17:59:23 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: gnip |
| 17:59:35 | DerPapst | C2H5OH: yes you can. with a bit fdisk and dd magic. |
| 17:59:37 | C2H5OH | BigBambi: nice, so I just have to follow the docs |
| 17:59:54 | BigBambi | C2H5OH: try running ipodpatcher to give you its help output |
| 17:59:55 | linuxstb_ | kugel: Because you're here, so I thought I would let you know before I give you all my feedback on flyspray.... That was just the first viewport I tested, and it didn't work.... |
| 17:59:56 | Horscht | but... won't that break the ipod? |
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| 18:00:04 | gevaerts | bertrik: very probably. I think it's just a different header mostly |
| 18:00:13 | DerPapst | BigBambi: but ipotpatcher can't shrink the firmware patition |
| 18:00:15 | Horscht | I mean, will he still be able to transfer files (go into disk mode)? |
| 18:00:18 | BigBambi | Horscht: It doesn't remove the flash bootloader |
| 18:00:25 | BigBambi | DerPapst: Yes, that is true |
| 18:00:41 | Horscht | i see |
| 18:00:49 | C2H5OH | Horscht: the disk mode is not "volatile" |
| 18:00:58 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: hi! saw your messages in the log...I'm not very familiar with boosting. do trigger_cpu_boost and cancel_cpu_boost need to be used symetrically? |
| 18:01:01 | BigBambi | But I *believe* (note lack of surety) that you can use ipodpatcher to replace it then shrink the partition |
| 18:01:06 | C2H5OH | Horscht: I don't know if any of you have been through it |
| 18:01:06 | * | BigBambi looks at linuxstb |
| 18:01:15 | DerPapst | Horscht: the recommended way to brick is with a hammer to (poorly) quote GodEater. ;-) |
| 18:01:19 | C2H5OH | but when the Ipod is out of battery and you don't charge it for a week or so |
| 18:01:22 | * | linuxstb_ looks back at BigBambi |
| 18:01:24 | C2H5OH | you have to restore the firmware via iTunes |
| 18:01:38 | C2H5OH | as I don't have windows (and virtualbox OSE does not support USB) |
| 18:01:46 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: no, boost is just "set a boost flag" and cancel is just "cancel the boost flag" |
| 18:01:49 | Horscht | DerPapst, a sledge hammer? |
| 18:01:49 | BigBambi | linuxstb_: Am I correct about completely replacing the iPod firmware then reclaiming some of the firmware partition space? |
| 18:01:53 | C2H5OH | I'm just tired of using the work pc |
| 18:02:09 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: and the flag is specific to the caller thread, |
| 18:02:09 | Nico_P | ? |
| 18:02:10 | linuxstb_ | BigBambi: Yes - I would interrupt you otherwise ;) |
| 18:02:13 | kugel | linuxstb_: but not defining the viewport (which results in 0,0,.. too) doesn't have this problem :P |
| 18:02:14 | BigBambi | Cool :) |
| 18:02:15 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: yes |
| 18:02:30 | gevaerts | C2H5OH: I think the emergency disk mode always works, including when the battery is completely empty |
| 18:02:38 | C2H5OH | gevaerts: I know |
| 18:02:47 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: ok so then it does make sense to only cancel the flag when not filling |
| 18:02:54 | Nico_P | I'll commit the change |
| 18:02:57 | DerPapst | C2H5OH: i've never heard that someone had to restore the ipod just because the battery was drained. |
| 18:03:04 | linuxstb_ | kugel: I haven't looked at your code very much - I just tried compiling and testing it. It seems to work well apart from that issue. |
| 18:03:14 | C2H5OH | DerPapst: well, it happens |
| 18:03:15 | gevaerts | So why would you need to restore with itunes ? |
| 18:03:25 | C2H5OH | gevaerts: I don't really know |
| 18:03:27 | kugel | linuxstb_: thatnks for spotting |
| 18:03:29 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: BTW, I'm curious about the effect of this patch (which cuts 5 seconds off my H10 buffering time). http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/bump-buffering-priority.diff |
| 18:03:39 | DerPapst | C2H5OH: you could also manually restore if you don't have access to itunes. |
| 18:03:41 | C2H5OH | the moral of the story for me is: as a Unix user, never again buy iCrap |
| 18:03:51 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: exactly. |
| 18:03:54 | linuxstb_ | C2H5OH: Have you already reduced the size of your firmware partition |
| 18:03:56 | linuxstb_ | ? |
| 18:03:58 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: ok I'll test it |
| 18:04:00 | C2H5OH | linuxstb_: no |
| 18:04:08 | C2H5OH | I have a backup of everything |
| 18:04:22 | C2H5OH | I backed up the firmware with dd |
| 18:04:22 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: on 5g of course :) |
| 18:04:28 | Nico_P | of course :) |
| 18:04:54 | linuxstb_ | C2H5OH: No-one else has reported needing to restore with itunes on a weekly basis... Why do you need to do that? |
| 18:05:06 | C2H5OH | linuxstb_: is not on a weekly basis |
| 18:05:11 | C2H5OH | sometimes I stop using it |
| 18:05:15 | C2H5OH | with low battery |
| 18:05:22 | C2H5OH | it seems that the ipod never turns of completely |
| 18:05:23 | * | linuxstb_ wonders if scorche or scorche|sh is working on the new themes site |
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| 18:05:35 | C2H5OH | and the battery keeps discharging |
| 18:05:41 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: if it's in the right direction, try subtracting more from PRIORITY_BUFFERING |
| 18:05:51 | Nico_P | will do |
| 18:06:05 | DerPapst | C2H5OH: though you should be able to reboot it into diskmode and charge it from there |
| 18:06:12 | C2H5OH | DerPapst: I know |
| 18:06:22 | C2H5OH | DerPapst: but it doesn't reproduce music |
| 18:06:33 | DerPapst | heh... |
| 18:06:36 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: you said a + in the OS stacks screen indicates boosting? |
| 18:06:43 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: yes |
| 18:06:59 | linuxstb_ | C2H5OH: So after your battery has recharged, you're saying Rockbox will start, but won't play music any more? |
| 18:07:04 | DerPapst | C2H5OH: Do you have a USB or a firewire wallcharger? |
| 18:07:25 | C2H5OH | DerPapst: no |
| 18:07:33 | kugel | linuxstb_: "=-" instead of "-=" owns me ;; |
| 18:07:37 | C2H5OH | linuxstb_: I want to replace the ipod firmware with rockbox |
| 18:07:55 | C2H5OH | anyway, my ipod is wasted right now, I can play with it as I want |
| 18:08:53 | * | jhMikeS isn't sure the point anymore in having HAVE_SCHEDULER_BOOSTCTRL |
| 18:08:56 | DerPapst | C2H5OH: try to replace the OF with rockbox and try to shrink the firmware partition afterwards. That might work. |
| 18:09:19 | Buschel | Nico_P: you are familiar with crossfading? |
| 18:09:27 | Nico_P | Buschel: not at all |
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| 18:09:38 | Buschel | hmm, whom to ask? |
| 18:09:39 | C2H5OH | DerPapst: so the ipodpatcher installs the rockbox firmware in the same partition as the apple firmware? |
| 18:09:51 | BigBambi | No, the rockbox bootloader |
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| 18:10:08 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: what does it do? |
| 18:10:23 | C2H5OH | BigBambi: ok, and the firmware is in the data partition, right? |
| 18:10:35 | C2H5OH | that's why it's so easy to upgrade, I guess |
| 18:10:37 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: is a boosted thread scheduled differently than a nonboosted one? |
| 18:10:49 | BigBambi | IIUC, ipodpatcher inserts the Rockbox bootloader so that it is called by the Apple flash bootloader, and then loads either Rockbox from the data partition, or the Apple firmware from the firmware partition |
| 18:11:13 | DerPapst | BigBambi: you don't have to install the bootloader if you don't plan to use the OF at all. |
| 18:11:30 | DerPapst | C2H5OH: ./ipodpatcher -wf rockbox.ipod should do the trick |
| 18:11:33 | BigBambi | DerPapst: I'm just talking about normally |
| 18:11:43 | DerPapst | ah.. nvm then ;-) |
| 18:11:51 | C2H5OH | mmmm |
| 18:11:55 | C2H5OH | allright |
| 18:12:48 | DerPapst | C2H5OH: then drop .rockbox on the fat partiton and test if it is working. |
| 18:14:03 | C2H5OH | ok |
| 18:14:12 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: no, just says that the tread wants CPUFREQ_MAX in effect |
| 18:14:55 | Nico_P | ok, so it's not much use to boost the audio thread when it's loading tracks (since the buffering thread is already boosted at that time)? |
| 18:15:05 | jhMikeS | HAVE_SCHEDULER_BOOSTCTRL is just a #define to exclude per-thread boosting (which used to have an automatic element) |
| 18:15:26 | Nico_P | and currently it's defined? |
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| 18:15:52 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: yes it is. a thread should just call that whenever what it's doing is best run a max cpu |
| 18:16:02 | Nico_P | ok |
| 18:16:19 | Nico_P | then I think I'll add a call in audio_fill_file_buffer |
| 18:16:48 | bertrik | the .au format doesn't look that complicated |
| 18:17:18 | jhMikeS | making sure audio has one prevents an unboost if it's awhile before buffering gets another handle |
| 18:20:12 | Nico_P | hmm I got a brief audio skip |
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| 18:21:19 | Nico_P | (after adding the trigger_cpu_boost call to audio_fill_file_buffer) |
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| 18:21:28 | rasher | bertrik: http://www.opengroup.org/public/pubs/external/auformat.html |
| 18:21:53 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: but it only untriggers if buffering is done, right? |
| 18:22:19 | Nico_P | it untriggers in audio once all tracks that can be added have been added |
| 18:22:27 | Nico_P | and in buffering once buffering is complete |
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| 18:23:10 | jhMikeS | there should only be two set_cpu_frequency calls during buffering then |
| 18:23:32 | Nico_P | and that's not good? |
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| 18:23:42 | ccd | hi all! |
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| 18:24:07 | jhMikeS | another thread becoming boosted should only increment the boost counter so no call to set_cpu_frequency. |
| 18:24:31 | ccd | do u know about hitachi HDD ? |
| 18:25:02 | jhMikeS | only one to raise it when the first thread boosts and one to lower it when all threads go idle (this is tracked internally) |
| 18:25:04 | Nico_P | audio and buffering become boosted at roughly the same time... the boost in audio shouldn't last very long whereas the one in buffering lasts as long as the buffering |
| 18:25:32 | Nico_P | I didn't have the skip again... I'm not even sure it wasn't in my track |
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| 18:27:31 | * | Nico_P commits |
| 18:28:39 | kugel | linuxstb_: should be fixed now |
| 18:28:43 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I'll test your patch now |
| 18:29:10 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: thanks |
| 18:29:34 | * | gevaerts has enabled crossfade on his ipod to try to reproduce the bug, and really doesn't understand why people want this feature |
| 18:29:53 | * | jhMikeS wants to nuke that feature in the worst way |
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| 18:31:22 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: it's worse with the patch |
| 18:31:58 | jhMikeS | worse than the hack or worse than previous to the hack? |
| 18:32:38 | Nico_P | worse than SVN (that's the hack I guess), and compared to before the hack I couldn't really say, it's roughly the same |
| 18:33:13 | Nico_P | buffering seems faster though (faster than before the hack) |
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| 18:35:01 | kugel | linuxstb_: what would you suggest about the recalculation of the list at every redraw? |
| 18:35:54 | kugel | I think the best would be, to calculate this only upon settings load, and give the draw function the needed information |
| 18:36:02 | jhMikeS | something's really screwy with that port since it only speeds up my other targets quite noticeably with absolutely no UI cost. |
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| 18:36:34 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: sorry, was AFK, wondering if the WRS code separation was being considered at all? |
| 18:37:14 | nikosapi | hello, is there a simple way to add a shutdown option to the main menu? (I'm using the latest 5.5G 64MB ram iPod build) |
| 18:37:37 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: I think it's wanted in order to be able to personalize the rec screen |
| 18:38:02 | linuxstb_ | nikosapi: Do you compile your own Rockbox build? That's the only way to change the menus. |
| 18:38:18 | Davide-NYC | I thought it was wandted (by jdgordon) just to rewrite the WRS, no necesarily make it customizable IIUC |
| 18:38:32 | nikosapi | linuxstb_: ah, I saw that patch on the bug tracker |
| 18:38:53 | nikosapi | linuxstb_: I guess I have no choice but to build it myself... |
| 18:39:01 | BigBambi | nikosapi: A patch changes the source code, after which you compile |
| 18:39:02 | Davide-NYC | Actually, I understand that the WRS rewrite is on hold until the code gets separated. |
| 18:39:15 | linuxstb_ | kugel: I don't know the answer (at the moment...) |
| 18:39:16 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: I thought some customizeable aspect was the goal :\ silly me. |
| 18:39:29 | nikosapi | BigBambi: Yep |
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| 18:40:07 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: only one or two users asked for customization and I think the consesus is that icustomization is overkill for the WRS. |
| 18:40:17 | linuxstb_ | nikosapi: Out of curiousity, why would you want that menu item? Would it be faster to access than just holding the PLAY button? |
| 18:40:25 | * | jhMikeS just finds himself obsessing now over what's wrong on 5g |
| 18:40:51 | BigBambi | jhMikeS: Damn you! Get obsessed with the gigabeast instead :) |
| 18:41:08 | Nico_P | hehe |
| 18:41:48 | nikosapi | linuxstb_: I use the bookmarking feature, so I takes a good 6 seconds of holding down play/pause for it to finally turn off. I'd rather just click shutdown and have it make the bookmark and turn itself off |
| 18:42:03 | * | jhMikeS detests that locking hack and knows it's not right and indicates some deeper issue |
| 18:42:03 | nikosapi | s/I/it/ |
| 18:42:40 | linuxstb_ | nikosapi: 6 seconds until you see the "shutting down" message, or 6 seconds until it's actually off? |
| 18:42:56 | nikosapi | linuxstb_: Let me time it :) |
| 18:44:25 | jhMikeS | BigBambi: No worry. It might be good to put that one down and concentrate on that. Maybe the answer will reveal itself in an unrelated activity (which happens alot). |
| 18:44:36 | BigBambi | \o/ |
| 18:45:30 | nikosapi | linuxstb_: yup, exactly 6 seconds till the "Shutting Down" appears |
| 18:45:41 | nikosapi | which makes perfect sense |
| 18:45:58 | nikosapi | hold 3 secs for bookmark and another 3 sec to shut down |
| 18:46:19 | BigBambi | nikosapi: The patch is your only choice (if it still applies) - building isn't too hard though if you wanted to |
| 18:46:31 | BigBambi | nikosapi: What is the flyspray number for the patch? |
| 18:46:40 | nikosapi | 6733 |
| 18:48:02 | kugel | linuxstb_: If it matters, I can't say that list browsing is slower on my e200. But I agree anyway, that it should be changed |
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| 18:49:35 | linuxstb_ | kugel: It just seems the wrong place (logically). But I know it's like that in SVN, not something you've added. |
| 18:49:37 | * | jhMikeS notices that the browser doesn't show up on now S unless a key (just tried the menu key) is being held and hold is off (statusbar is visible). It was ok at last check. |
| 18:52:24 | bertrik | hmmm, crossfade gets effectively disabled when enabling/disabling the EQ during playback |
| 18:56:28 | bertrik | also the pcm buffer in the buffering debug screen stays at about 15% of max instead of the usual 80% (or so) |
| 18:56:45 | nikosapi | BigBambi: the patch still seems to apply properly |
| 18:57:41 | BigBambi | nikosapi: Ah cool. I don't/won't use it myself, but hopefully it'll do what you want |
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| 19:06:44 | BigBambi | jhMikeS: I can't see anything other than the status bar no matter what I hold |
| 19:07:14 | linuxstb_ | Sounds like it could be a lists/viewports issue... |
| 19:07:49 | BigBambi | I'll try to track it down |
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| 19:08:06 | BigBambi | Shame the lack of UMS makes transferring builds such a pain in the arse |
| 19:08:11 | BigBambi | :) |
| 19:08:21 | * | Buschel seems to have FS #8651 solved now |
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| 19:09:03 | jhMikeS | BigBambi: With hold off and the window button held it comes up every time for me. |
| 19:09:20 | BigBambi | jhMikeS: Trying that, but nothing |
| 19:10:20 | BigBambi | make -j3 && make tar |
| 19:10:25 | BigBambi | oops :) |
| 19:11:00 | Nico_P | yeah I didn't get anything either... how long do you have to press menu before it appears? |
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| 19:22:35 | C2H5OH | brilliant, so ipodpatcher refuses to work if there is no firmware in the ipod |
| 19:22:36 | C2H5OH | :-/ |
| 19:24:04 | linuxstb_ | C2H5OH: What do you mean by "no firmware" ? What did you do to it? |
| 19:24:44 | C2H5OH | heh |
| 19:24:51 | C2H5OH | I was playing :-P |
| 19:24:52 | DerPapst | i guess the apple ascii stop sign is broken |
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| 19:28:50 | C2H5OH | linuxstb_: I guess there is no way to "force" writing to a device, right? |
| 19:29:11 | DerPapst | no. unless you implement it :-P |
| 19:29:41 | linuxstb_ | C2H5OH: Yes, restore your ipod to a known working state... |
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| 19:30:37 | DerPapst | or use dd and scramble (in rockbox svn repo) ;-) |
| 19:30:45 | C2H5OH | ok |
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| 19:32:13 | DerPapst | can scramble add a firmware partition layout to *.ipod files? |
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| 19:33:57 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I have hold off and the menu key held until the browser shows up |
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| 19:35:16 | Bagder | rasher: I intend to commit my new source tarball script to show |
| 19:35:52 | * | BigBambi has so far narrowed it down to r16400 works and r16500 doesn't |
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| 19:37:53 | Bagder | oh we're 5 gsoc applications now |
| 19:38:03 | Bagder | we're at even |
| 19:38:17 | gevaerts | Bagder: read them before you're too happy ;) |
| 19:38:33 | Bagder | just the names is enough to not make me too thrilled |
| 19:39:02 | rasher | Bagder: sounds great, currently my sims page has old source because I used the release script |
| 19:39:08 | Bagder | aha |
| 19:40:06 | Bagder | http://pastebin.ca/962361 for now |
| 19:40:30 | * | gevaerts rereads the latest usability proposal and finds 'I would not read any documentation on how to use the player beforehand' :) |
| 19:41:37 | * | DerPapst likes moo magic |
| 19:41:58 | DerPapst | gevaerts: hehe |
| 19:42:31 | gevaerts | DerPapst: make sure to put in your application that you did read the entire manual ;) |
| 19:43:01 | * | DerPapst fears he didn't read it entirely yet... |
| 19:44:01 | * | gevaerts thinks that DerPapst should not have admitted that :) |
| 19:45:12 | * | domonok1 thinks it fine not to read the manual, if you dont ask stupid questions already answerd in the manual.. :-) |
| 19:46:20 | DerPapst | ... which i try to avoid... most of the time ;-) |
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| 19:47:45 | gevaerts | I think that someone should post a comment on that application with some questions, but I have no idea what questions... |
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| 19:53:30 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: holding the menu key with hold off doesn't make the menu appear here |
| 19:53:40 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I've noticed that the rockbox.tar file still shows up in the MTP file list even though its been deleted (I suppose because it's in its database file). |
| 19:53:43 | Nico_P | unless I have to hold it for a long time |
| 19:54:00 | * | BigBambi never gets it either |
| 19:54:03 | jhMikeS | no, just start hold while in the bootloader |
| 19:54:08 | Nico_P | ah |
| 19:54:10 | jhMikeS | *holding |
| 19:54:20 | Nico_P | with hold on ? |
| 19:54:28 | Nico_P | ah got it |
| 19:54:29 | BigBambi | but I'm getting close to what breaks it |
| 19:54:31 | Nico_P | with hold off |
| 19:55:00 | BigBambi | r161433 works, r16435 doesn't |
| 19:55:01 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: any idea why this is needed |
| 19:55:09 | BigBambi | 161433/16433 |
| 19:55:12 | jhMikeS | not yet |
| 19:55:32 | Nico_P | Bagder: how many active developers would you say we currently have? |
| 19:56:38 | Nico_P | BigBambi, jhMikeS: could it have something to do with viewports? |
| 19:56:59 | jhMikeS | if 16435 broke it, it looks like a USB commit did it |
| 19:57:33 | BigBambi | jhMikeS, Nico_P: r16434 works, r16435 doesn't |
| 19:57:41 | * | BigBambi breathes a sigh of relief |
| 19:57:45 | jhMikeS | 16434 is a coldfire-only change |
| 19:57:46 | BigBambi | That was tedious |
| 19:58:22 | * | BigBambi blames gevaerts! :P |
| 19:58:41 | gevaerts | Nico_P: since the beginning of the year, there have been 838 commits by 43 committers |
| 19:59:01 | * | gevaerts blames BigBambi. Now just to find out for what ... |
| 19:59:09 | BigBambi | haha :) |
| 19:59:51 | Nico_P | gevaerts: thanks... I'll round that up to ~50 :) |
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| 20:00:00 | Nico_P | IIRC that's what ohloh says |
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| 20:00:45 | gevaerts | Sounds plausible. Some of those have only one or two commits |
| 20:02:01 | gevaerts | BigBambi: I haven't followed, what is this 'it' that breaks in r16435 ? |
| 20:02:28 | BigBambi | gevaerts: The display of anything but the status bar within Rockbox on the gigabeat S |
| 20:02:52 | BigBambi | So don't worry basically :) |
| 20:02:59 | C2H5OH | bye guys, and thanks a lot :-) |
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| 20:04:10 | * | gevaerts wonders how he managed to breat _that_ with this commit... |
| 20:07:15 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I'd at least like to commit this part of the last patch (but keep the lock hack for 5g) http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/buffer-priority-and-32K-chunk.diff |
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| 20:08:04 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: do you want me to test it beforehand? |
| 20:08:27 | Nico_P | I'm pretty sure it'll be fine though, 32K always seemed to improve things |
| 20:08:57 | jhMikeS | it does increase the priority which won't behave exactly the same with that locking mechanism |
| 20:09:16 | Horschti | so, any thoughts on why so many commits break buffering on 5g ipods only? |
| 20:09:33 | BigBambi | gevaerts: unless you hold menu whilst it is booting that is, then it works fine still :) |
| 20:10:36 | jhMikeS | Horschti: not really, since everything goes exactly the opposite way on that one as to others |
| 20:11:25 | Horschti | inverted bytes! |
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| 20:15:46 | jhMikeS | the previous "buglet" in choosing threads had effects on every target as expected but this 5g is not of this world |
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| 20:23:00 | kugel | Can someone reproduce this? I try to load http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsSansaE200#Razor on my e200 and the wps doesn't load properly |
| 20:23:46 | kugel | The sim says: We open the real file 'archos/.rockbox/wps/Razor/' |
| 20:23:47 | kugel | ERR: Failed to load image 21 - /.rockbox/wps/Razor/; even though the dir is there |
| 20:24:39 | linuxstb_ | Which of the four WPSs are you trying? |
| 20:24:52 | jhMikeS | isn't that trying to load a directory as an image? |
| 20:24:59 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: Yes |
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| 20:25:22 | kugel | linuxstb_: razor, the link should lead to that |
| 20:25:50 | linuxstb_ | kugel: There are four zip files inside one zip... But the problem is lines with no image name - e.g. %xl|v||2|0| |
| 20:26:03 | kugel | I used the first zip |
| 20:26:48 | kugel | I can't spot such a tag |
| 20:26:55 | jhMikeS | the "rockbox" in the lower right corner on H120 gets a cool effect from the line selector |
| 20:27:18 | kugel | also, the whole wps seems to fail, the progressbar and the wps backdrop don't apply as well |
| 20:27:53 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: just tested your patch. buffering *seems* faster and responsiveness doesn't seem to be affected. I say commit :) |
| 20:27:59 | linuxstb_ | kugel: Yes, images are now checked as part of the wps parsing, and the WPS rejected if they are not all loaded. |
| 20:28:00 | kugel | linuxstb_: Ahh yea, there's two of those lines |
| 20:28:15 | kugel | I don't get the default wps though |
| 20:28:32 | jhMikeS | it measures faster on other targets too (beyond what 32K alone will do) so I agree :) |
| 20:29:28 | kugel | IMO the default wps should be shown, it indicates an error best |
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| 20:30:09 | jhMikeS | of course I agree - it's my patch :P |
| 20:30:21 | linuxstb_ | kugel: Are you testing with a clean SVN? |
| 20:30:33 | kugel | linuxstb_: Yep |
| 20:31:11 | kugel | not even the customlist patch applied. I allways get a fresh source and compile the sim to double-check issues |
| 20:33:54 | Nico_P | btw, regarding adding an error message: I did it, but it gets masked by "settings loaded" when the WPS is loaded along with a theme |
| 20:34:27 | mud-rb | can anyone give me a one sentence summary of the arguments to rb->set_int ? const char* unit seems to not do anything, and what do function and formatter do? (especially function) |
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| 20:41:51 | maretard | Hello everyone! |
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| 20:43:43 | * | kugel this it would be great if the sim would show the coordinates when you hover over the window with the mouse |
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| 20:43:49 | kugel | thinks* |
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| 20:44:31 | leftright | I have been trying for hours now to get my wps to display my battery status, it used to work fine. I have included %wd, but it still wont show my battery status |
| 20:44:56 | DerPapst | kugel: save that for Rincewinds app :-)# |
| 20:45:14 | kugel | ^^ |
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| 20:45:38 | gevaerts | kugel: there are probably some tools that let you do that for any window |
| 20:45:40 | Nico_P | kugel: I think JdGordon had a patch pretty much to that effect |
| 20:45:45 | Alvin | hi everyone! |
| 20:46:04 | kugel | Nico_P: where is that? and why is it not in svn? :) |
| 20:46:31 | Nico_P | I don't know where it is, nor why it's not in svn |
| 20:46:56 | Alvin | uhh, just wondering, how does one "start" developing with Rockbox on a new platform? |
| 20:47:28 | gevaerts | Alvin: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 20:47:42 | Alvin | ah |
| 20:47:44 | Alvin | thankees :D |
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| 20:47:56 | Alvin | haha, i tried to find a page like this before, but couldn't :D |
| 20:48:11 | leftright | it'l show %bv but not %bl what has changed recently that it wont accept my old %bl ?, any ideas ? |
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| 20:51:32 | disorganizer | kugel: your latest patch works fine. now the only things missing to make the wps-world perfect is multiffont and (even more important) a viewportified statusbar :-) |
| 20:52:01 | kugel | disorganizer: You mean costumizable statusbar? |
| 20:52:13 | kugel | disorganizer: I doubt that the statusbar in a vp would change much |
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| 20:52:39 | kugel | disorganizer: But thanks for testing, nice to hear that it works |
| 20:52:44 | disorganizer | i mean whatever linuxstb's hack did :-) |
| 20:53:12 | * | kugel didn't know that my patch helps the making the *wps*-world perfect :o |
| 20:53:34 | disorganizer | well, theme-world in fact :-) |
| 20:53:38 | Alvin | oh jeez, this is bad. i can't even access the zune's system files at all. T_T |
| 20:55:04 | disorganizer | kugel: also a wps just looks bad if the nice graphical layout is broken by a fullscreen list imho :-) the graphical elements we use for wps's (aka areas of the screen) should be consitent throughout the ui. |
| 20:55:33 | kugel | true true |
| 20:55:49 | kugel | That was my intention for the patch ;) |
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| 20:56:23 | disorganizer | now the only thing left is to be able to display some elements of the wps (aka album/artist/battery/time/...) on all screens :-) |
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| 20:56:40 | disorganizer | well, except multifont, and propably vertical peakmeters *g* |
| 20:56:43 | picky | Llorean:ping |
| 20:56:57 | * | jhMikeS demands circular peakmeters |
| 20:58:13 | * | gevaerts thinks this limitation to two dimensions is disturbing ;) |
| 20:59:05 | * | jhMikeS feels cramped in fewer than 4 or 5 dimensions :p |
| 20:59:35 | picky | A couple of days ago there was a talk about play list behavior. I.e. whether it should be cleared when playback is stopped and a song is inserted. And whether playback should be started then. Did it come to a conclusion? If not: couldn't we just have two settings for this? That would settle all the interests. |
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| 21:01:56 | DerPapst | iirc peakmeters are already 3D... x and y achses and of course the t achse :-P |
| 21:02:29 | * | gevaerts spots German words ;) |
| 21:03:20 | DerPapst | xis... |
| 21:03:25 | DerPapst | *axis |
| 21:03:27 | * | DerPapst runs |
| 21:03:31 | disorganizer | achsel? |
| 21:03:54 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:06:38 | picky | Anybody else who could tell me about playlist behaviour discussion? I see some nicks of very active users but they seem not to be aktive right now. |
| 21:08:29 | scorche | linuxstb_: eh...i was sleeping, but i am now.. |
| 21:08:49 | DerPapst | any irc op arround? |
| 21:09:00 | scorche | o_O |
| 21:09:12 | DerPapst | is that a yes? |
| 21:09:24 | scorche | that depends on what you need |
| 21:09:31 | DerPapst | a unban |
| 21:09:40 | DerPapst | from Keripo |
| 21:09:55 | DerPapst | i guess logbot banne3d him a while ago |
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| 21:10:08 | linuxstb | scorche: Is the plan to force all themes to use the same license, or is there going to be a selection of acceptable licenses? |
| 21:10:15 | scorche | oh, thats nice |
| 21:10:29 | scorche | linuxstb: the former...if they want another license, they email me |
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| 21:11:08 | DerPapst | hey Keripo :-) |
| 21:11:15 | scorche | Bagder: wow...that was a broad ban... |
| 21:11:17 | * | Keripo pokes in |
| 21:11:20 | linuxstb | scorche: Why? Either there's a choice, or there isn't... |
| 21:11:50 | Keripo | linuxstb: I finally got around to doing the ipodpatcher fix I talked to you about a long, long time ago |
| 21:12:13 | linuxstb | Keripo: I've forgotton what that was... |
| 21:12:17 | scorche | linuxstb: alright...then we can force the former then...i was planning on using the email methos as an un-documented feature and if they did, i would lead them to a permissibe license like cc-by-sa anyway |
| 21:13:01 | linuxstb | scorche: Which license has been chosen? |
| 21:13:08 | scorche | cc-by-sa |
| 21:13:26 | Keripo | linuxstb: It was originally just "fix all the error levels so that success actually returned 0 and failure actually returned 1" but then I just redid the entire main.c and redid the formatting, etc. |
| 21:13:54 | rasher | scorche: 3.0? |
| 21:13:58 | linuxstb | scorche: OK. I just noticed some themes use a non-commercial version of the CC. |
| 21:14:10 | scorche | linuxstb: yeah...not a fan of that |
| 21:15:00 | linuxstb | What's the submission process going to be? Is it going to be fully automatic, or some manual processing? |
| 21:15:27 | Keripo | linuxstb: should I just add the patch to the flyspray or is there anyone in particular who I should talk to? |
| 21:16:04 | scorche | some manual so far...there will be plenty of improvements along the way including broken filters, automatic things, etc...there will be a "feature request/to-do" list on the wiki page |
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| 21:16:17 | linuxstb | Keripo: Yes, please add it to flyspray. |
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| 21:19:03 | linuxstb | scorche: Is Rockbox's real-name policy being applied? |
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| 21:25:57 | scorche | linuxstb: yes, however they can display a nick publicly on the site...we require a full name for CC-by-sa purposes, of course so they need to enter that in the agreement box |
| 21:26:20 | scorche | Keripo: sorr about being banned...you got caught by someone's overly broad ban |
| 21:26:25 | scorche | sorry, even |
| 21:27:24 | Keripo | sure, no prob ; ) |
| 21:28:43 | Keripo | quick question though - will rbutil be affected by any changes in ipodpatcher or are they completely separate |
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| 21:28:58 | * | scorche looks at the 8 versions of r-t.org he has in his working directory and wonders which one he was actively working on =/ |
| 21:29:14 | * | scorche runs to the test server |
| 21:30:23 | linuxstb | Keripo: rbutil uses ipodpatcher.c (and ipodio-*) directly. main.c is just ipodpatcher itself. |
| 21:31:03 | Keripo | understood |
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| 21:37:50 | linuxstb | scorche: I don't understand. If you're saying you need the real name for CC-by-sa purposes, doesn't that mean everyone that downloads a copy also needs it? |
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| 21:41:54 | scorche|sh | linuxstb: i can always put their name in a text file that comes with the theme...this is how it is currently set up |
| 21:44:43 | disorganizer | a gsoc question: there is a part about rockbox-ui (pitchscreen, quickscreen). does the wording mean that those screens should be wps-ified? |
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| 21:45:25 | BHSPitMonkey | scorche, you're a good person to talk to about the SoC, no? |
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| 21:46:11 | scorche|sh | that depends on what you want to talk about... |
| 21:46:12 | linuxstb | disorganizer: No |
| 21:46:19 | gevaerts | disorganizer: not from my reading of it |
| 21:46:58 | disorganizer | ok. so the wording should propably clearer on what is to be done there. just for my feeling of it. |
| 21:46:59 | * | DerPapst votes for wps-ifying entire rockbox. |
| 21:47:16 | * | disorganizer votes for viewportfying the Papst :-) |
| 21:47:19 | gevaerts | disorganizer: of course you are free to propose to do that anyway, and argue about why it's needed. DerPapst will gladly help you do that :) |
| 21:47:22 | Rincewind | DerPapst: please don't... |
| 21:47:37 | BHSPitMonkey | scorche|sh, I know it's late, but I'm strongly considering applying. |
| 21:47:47 | * | disorganizer is no student any more (im so old... :...( |
| 21:47:53 | * | DerPapst orgnaises disorganizer :-P |
| 21:47:58 | BHSPitMonkey | (And Rockbox is the first project that comes to mind.) |
| 21:48:12 | linuxstb | BHSPitMonkey: It's not late, you have 48 hours... Do you have any projects in mind? |
| 21:48:12 | scorche|sh | BHSPitMonkey: it isnt too late...in all likelyhood the applications will go on a further week |
| 21:48:25 | BHSPitMonkey | linuxstb, that's another problem, I don't. |
| 21:48:33 | DerPapst | heh |
| 21:48:37 | * | gevaerts recommends not counting on that extension yet... |
| 21:48:40 | BHSPitMonkey | And, on top of that, I feel like I won't make the cut. |
| 21:48:52 | scorche|sh | BHSPitMonkey: well, that is part of the GSoC...you need to pick a project that motivates you |
| 21:49:08 | DerPapst | or make one yourself *cough* |
| 21:49:20 | * | gevaerts hands DerPapst a throat lozenge |
| 21:49:28 | scorche|sh | DerPapst: well, "pick" includes picking from one's head or even the tracker |
| 21:49:29 | BHSPitMonkey | I want to apply with Rockbox simply because I've been in here for years, I know the community and the project already. |
| 21:49:59 | scorche|sh | gevaerts: i think i may incorporate that into a future bot.. |
| 21:50:05 | BHSPitMonkey | But, I've never delved into its code before. I feel like that rules me out or something. |
| 21:50:15 | gevaerts | BHSPitMonkey: then there should be at least something that you think is missing |
| 21:50:16 | * | DerPapst eats the throat lozenge |
| 21:50:20 | scorche|sh | BHSPitMonkey: it surely doesnt |
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| 21:50:35 | * | disorganizer is not paepslicher as DerPapst :-P |
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| 21:50:43 | disorganizer | damn, +t |
| 21:50:46 | kugel | linuxstb_: are you going to fix that? I mean that the default theme is not applied when the image checks fail |
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| 21:51:05 | * | gevaerts is running out of throat lozenges and adds them to his shopping list |
| 21:51:17 | kugel | s/as/than, and it's perfect ;) |
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| 21:52:04 | gevaerts | BHSPitMonkey: depending on what you want to do, getting to know the relevant code can be reasonably easy |
| 21:52:12 | * | disorganizer is just to drunk atm obviously |
| 21:52:17 | Keripo | linuxstb: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8827 <- patch if you want to look at it later or redirect it to someone else |
| 21:52:18 | disorganizer | +o |
| 21:52:25 | linuxstb | kugel: I agree it should be fixed... |
| 21:53:03 | BHSPitMonkey | I feel like I would want to either work on UI or codec-related ideas... |
| 21:53:18 | kugel | Ok, I'm just gonna open a fs task, and someone will do it for sure ;) |
| 21:53:22 | Rincewind | BHSPitMonkey: what is your programming background? |
| 21:54:18 | BHSPitMonkey | Rincewind, I studied C/C++ a little in high school, but I've been off of it for long time. Right now I'm a first-year CS major, so I've been doing a lot of Java. |
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| 21:54:38 | BHSPitMonkey | This summer I'll be in a C++ based comp. sci. class. |
| 21:54:38 | scorche|sh | BHSPitMonkey: then a bit of research should be planned so that you can research the projects so you will know what one would expect to be doing exactly :) |
| 21:55:04 | BHSPitMonkey | scorche|sh, that sentence confuses me thoroughly :) |
| 21:55:15 | scorche|sh | yeah...it confused me too =/ |
| 21:55:23 | BHSPitMonkey | hehe |
| 21:55:27 | * | scorche|sh /clears |
| 21:55:31 | * | gevaerts adds a "you" between would and expect |
| 21:55:52 | BHSPitMonkey | gevaerts, that only makes things worse :( |
| 21:56:01 | * | gevaerts removes it again |
| 21:56:03 | BHSPitMonkey | oh |
| 21:56:04 | scorche|sh | gevaerts: incorrect |
| 21:56:06 | kugel | linuxstb: hard-coded is more appropriate than default wps, isn't it? since cabbiev2's wps is the new default wps |
| 21:56:10 | BHSPitMonkey | I see what you mean there, but it doesn't seem right |
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| 21:56:38 | gevaerts | BHSPitMonkey: have you ever worked on any kind of larger program ? |
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| 21:58:32 | scorche|sh | "Then you should plan to be doing a bit of research in the next few days for the projects you are interested in. This is necessary for you to understand what is going to be required to be done and what one would expect of such a person applying for such a project" |
| 21:58:32 | * | DerPapst doesn't like the "default to the default wps if other wps is broken". |
| 21:58:36 | scorche|sh | better? |
| 21:58:47 | DerPapst | it helped me finding out why my wps was broken. |
| 21:59:01 | linuxstb | Keripo: Please read the Rockbox coding codelines (docs/CONTRIBUTING) - specifically, no TABs ;) |
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| 21:59:56 | Rincewind | BHSPitMonkey: the document viewer could be a nice project that doesn't require a very deep knowlegde of the rockbox core |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:03 | BHSPitMonkey | scorche|sh, you mean before the application deadline |
| 22:00:40 | Keripo | linuxstb: my bad ; ( - shall change |
| 22:00:45 | Rincewind | DSP plugins would be nice (and maybe more useful), too. |
| 22:00:48 | scorche|sh | BHSPitMonkey: yes...but like i said, it will likely be extended another week...then again, one shouldnt rely on that... |
| 22:00:49 | BHSPitMonkey | Rincewind, maybe. If I went down that road I would be digging into code used in existing document rendering software, too. |
| 22:00:57 | BHSPitMonkey | scorche|sh, probably not. |
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| 22:02:33 | disorganizer | good night@all |
| 22:02:35 | BHSPitMonkey | scorche|sh, is my application necessarily set in stone? If I made a proposal, and the project would like to see something different done (or done differently), I would happily take the opportunity to talk about it in here and adapt my game plan. |
| 22:02:47 | DerPapst | BHSPitMonkey: it was extended last year iirc. |
| 22:03:06 | BHSPitMonkey | Rather than say, "Nope, this application isn't quite suitable. DELETED!" |
| 22:03:19 | kugel | FS #8828 |
| 22:03:26 | scorche | BHSPitMonkey: every application should have plenty of discussion going on in here about it started by the applicant :) |
| 22:03:28 | kugel | disorganizer: goon night |
| 22:03:39 | NHeal | heinlein.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 22:03:39 | NJoin | preglow [0] (i=thomj@rockbox/developer/preglow) |
| 22:03:44 | disorganizer | ;-) a goon night... nice one ;-) |
| 22:03:51 | BHSPitMonkey | scorche, kind of like this? :) |
| 22:04:06 | scorche | BHSPitMonkey: yes, but preferably with a project in mind ;) |
| 22:04:09 | DerPapst | disorganizer will have dreams about goons of all kind |
| 22:04:19 | BHSPitMonkey | heh, that's the rub, isn't it |
| 22:04:22 | BHSPitMonkey | Have there been a lot of applicants already? |
| 22:04:31 | DerPapst | 5 right now. |
| 22:04:40 | disorganizer | :-) |
| 22:04:54 | kugel | is goon actually a word? |
| 22:05:02 | BHSPitMonkey | Ah, I'd have guessed more. |
| 22:05:03 | * | DerPapst doesn't know |
| 22:05:03 | * | kugel misstyped obviously |
| 22:05:06 | BigBambi | yes |
| 22:05:10 | BHSPitMonkey | kugel, it is |
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| 22:05:27 | DerPapst | http://www.dict.cc/?s=goon hahahaha |
| 22:05:28 | kugel | oops |
| 22:05:28 | BigBambi | It generally means unintelligent hired thug |
| 22:05:39 | gevaerts | Or Eccles of course |
| 22:05:47 | BHSPitMonkey | Have fun dreaming about them. |
| 22:05:49 | disorganizer | i could be running in some of those, though, tonight |
| 22:05:51 | kugel | disorganizer: Sorry, I didn't mean to call you a goon ;; |
| 22:06:09 | Rincewind | could be starcraft dragoner, too. |
| 22:06:16 | disorganizer | no problem, was just funny ;-) |
| 22:06:20 | * | linuxstb suspects gevaerts is speaking to the wrong generation |
| 22:06:30 | * | scorche also thinks he is speaking tot he wrong channel |
| 22:06:46 | scorche | well, not him, but.. |
| 22:07:01 | * | DerPapst hides |
| 22:07:08 | BHSPitMonkey | I know what I should do, I should port wine and make it run Windows Mobile apps within Rockbox :P |
| 22:07:13 | * | disorganizer thinks tonight is the miss-spelling contest |
| 22:07:16 | * | BHSPitMonkey shields his face |
| 22:07:35 | BHSPitMonkey | disorganizer, congratulations, you're tonight's Miss Spelling. |
| 22:07:36 | scorche | BHSPitMonkey: good luck with that, but this isnt Google Decade of Code |
| 22:07:36 | BigBambi | BHSPitMonkey: If you could port beer to Rockbox instead you'ld be my hero |
| 22:07:53 | DerPapst | baaahahahahaaa :-D |
| 22:08:04 | BHSPitMonkey | BigBambi, it can be done on an individual basis, but only once per player. |
| 22:08:13 | * | linuxstb would be happy with wine, beer or even port |
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| 22:08:30 | BHSPitMonkey | heh |
| 22:09:58 | BHSPitMonkey | Does each mentoring organization just choose one student, or? |
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| 22:10:09 | Bagder | no, several |
| 22:10:16 | s0l1dsnak3123 | hi |
| 22:10:16 | DerPapst | least year rockbox had 4 sluts |
| 22:10:17 | Bagder | each org gets N slots assigned |
| 22:10:18 | DerPapst | err... |
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| 22:10:22 | BHSPitMonkey | lol |
| 22:10:23 | scorche | BHSPitMonkey: see the FAQ |
| 22:10:23 | mud-rb_ | haha |
| 22:10:27 | DerPapst | s/sluts/slots |
| 22:10:32 | BigBambi | hehe |
| 22:10:35 | mud-rb_ | i think it works that way too |
| 22:10:37 | BHSPitMonkey | DerDome, is that what you call them |
| 22:10:38 | scorche | DerPapst: same thing |
| 22:10:59 | s0l1dsnak3123 | im thinking of buying an ipod (second hand most likely) and would like to know if this one would be compatible: |
| 22:11:10 | BHSPitMonkey | sorry DerDome, I'm a bad tab-completionist |
| 22:11:13 | s0l1dsnak3123 | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Boxed-Apple-iPod-Video-5th-Gen-30GB-White_W0QQitemZ320233558798QQihZ011QQcategoryZ73839QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 22:11:22 | BigBambi | s0l1dsnak3123: Yes |
| 22:11:23 | BHSPitMonkey | s0l1dsnak3123, yes |
| 22:11:26 | s0l1dsnak3123 | :P |
| 22:11:30 | s0l1dsnak3123 | thanks :D |
| 22:11:59 | s0l1dsnak3123 | tell me, is ipod linux still active? |
| 22:12:09 | scorche | that isnt a topic suitable for this channel |
| 22:12:10 | BHSPitMonkey | scorche, I suppose in order to apply, I have to marry myself to a specific project, then? |
| 22:12:11 | Bagder | define active first ;-) |
| 22:12:13 | * | gevaerts looks at DerPapst |
| 22:12:15 | DerPapst | yes! |
| 22:12:17 | BHSPitMonkey | s0l1dsnak3123, it has a pulse |
| 22:12:25 | scorche | BHSPitMonkey: you can submit multiple applications |
| 22:12:37 | BHSPitMonkey | scorche, ahh. |
| 22:12:42 | s0l1dsnak3123 | would it be compatible with that ipod also? |
| 22:12:53 | BHSPitMonkey | (To the same organization? That's what I meant.) |
| 22:12:55 | scorche | <scorche> that isnt a topic suitable for this channel |
| 22:13:06 | BHSPitMonkey | s0l1dsnak3123, take it to #ipodlinux |
| 22:13:11 | scorche | BHSPitMonkey: sure |
| 22:13:11 | BHSPitMonkey | it's a different project. |
| 22:13:14 | jhMikeS | <scorche> <scorche> that isnt a topic suitable for this channel |
| 22:13:20 | s0l1dsnak3123 | ok |
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| 22:13:21 | Rincewind | BHSPitMonkey: but if you submit multiple, you could end up with the wrong one |
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| 22:14:00 | BHSPitMonkey | Rincewind, if I'm willing to do project X, Y, or Z for rockbox (whichever the community would most prefer to see worked on), then it wouldn't matter |
| 22:14:11 | BHSPitMonkey | of course, that means three write-ups... |
| 22:14:44 | Rincewind | I was assuming that there would be one project you would probably like the most |
| 22:14:46 | * | gevaerts wonders why he has added comments to all gsoc applications except Rincewind's |
| 22:14:49 | scorche | Rincewind: why would you submit a project you wouldnt want to do? =/ |
| 22:15:12 | Rincewind | scorche: I wouldn't :) |
| 22:15:24 | gevaerts | scorche: why would you submit an RFID project to rockbox ? People do strange things... |
| 22:15:27 | BHSPitMonkey | Neither would I. |
| 22:15:35 | scorche | gevaerts: errrr... |
| 22:15:40 | BHSPitMonkey | ? |
| 22:16:03 | BHSPitMonkey | ... a project involving RFID tags? |
| 22:16:16 | scorche | gevaerts: some students send their app off to any projects that *might* be interested...this is one of those, i assume |
| 22:16:17 | Rincewind | gevaerts: because my application is perfect, of course :) |
| 22:16:19 | DerPapst | gevaerts: because his is perfect? |
| 22:16:20 | scorche | BHSPitMonkey: dont ask |
| 22:16:24 | DerPapst | meh |
| 22:16:26 | DerPapst | too slow |
| 22:17:03 | gevaerts | Rincewind: maybe :) |
| 22:17:48 | * | DerPapst puts a RFID sticker on his ipod... and sansa |
| 22:17:52 | Rincewind | I would really like to see this RIFD application. I'm wondering how manny buzzwords are in there |
| 22:18:10 | mud-rb_ | are the applications public somewhere? or only to involved people? |
| 22:18:18 | DerPapst | only to the involved |
| 22:18:23 | DerPapst | aka mentors |
| 22:18:43 | scorche | they are not public yet |
| 22:18:57 | gevaerts | But some people are observant enough to get a fair idea about what's there. Ask DerPapst for any information you need ;) |
| 22:19:16 | DerPapst | pffft :-P |
| 22:20:00 | scorche | gevaerts: i fear that the usability study is a project people are flocking to since it sounds easy with little work =/ |
| 22:20:00 | BHSPitMonkey | Rincewind, RFID tag our PMP's, making them administerable using an AJAXified site with a Linux backend with a Web 2.0 portal? |
| 22:20:13 | * | DerPapst should stop obervating and start writing |
| 22:20:19 | gevaerts | scorche: it's also the first one on the wiki... |
| 22:20:35 | lostlogic | jhMikeS: why not reduce the buffering priority in the constant instead of the -1 in the thread decl? |
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| 22:20:58 | jhMikeS | I could but I have to edit plugins too |
| 22:21:00 | BHSPitMonkey | scorche, when I saw it, I figured it would be too MUCH work, because I understood it meant an extremely thorough and professional study |
| 22:21:20 | BHSPitMonkey | Code, however... well, you just have to make it work or not work :) |
| 22:21:47 | lostlogic | you don't want the buffering thread on the mpegplayer to also be bumped? |
| 22:21:56 | nub | !u |
| 22:22:26 | jhMikeS | that works differently and the audio thread is what benefits from the bump there |
| 22:22:31 | linuxstb | Would anyone object to me adding a line to the wiki to say that we expect the usability study to also include some coding during the So*C* ? |
| 22:22:48 | lostlogic | *nod* |
| 22:22:48 | jhMikeS | though I may try it out |
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| 22:23:18 | gevaerts | linuxstb: go ahead. Maybe also move it down a bit. Right now it's the first project mentioned |
| 22:23:19 | jhMikeS | audio is PRIORITY_PLAYBACK-4 so buffering PRIORITY_BUFFERING-1 may help |
| 22:23:30 | linuxstb | gevaerts: And change to a tiny font? ;) |
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| 22:23:46 | gevaerts | linuxstb: a light blue tiny font ? |
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| 22:23:56 | lostlogic | hmm, seems to me like it defeats the point of having some constants defined if we're going to do constant subtractions from them in certain scenarios |
| 22:24:05 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Sounds perfect. |
| 22:24:19 | Rincewind | linuxstb: you could add that it is encouraged to discuss ideas on the irc channel before applying |
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| 22:25:09 | DerPapst | Rincewind: no one wants to be bothered with that :-P |
| 22:25:17 | nub | is rockbox worth getting?? |
| 22:25:36 | * | DerPapst votes for yes. |
| 22:25:40 | mud-rb_ | nub: do you really expect a negative answer to that? |
| 22:25:41 | jhMikeS | maybe the plugin should add or subtract instead and not the core :) |
| 22:25:46 | Rincewind | nub: you ask this in #rockbox, the answer must be yes :) |
| 22:25:50 | scorche | nub: that is for you to decide... |
| 22:25:52 | lostlogic | nub: nope, we all work on it because it's worthless... |
| 22:25:58 | DerPapst | nub: it's free. everything that's free is worth getting it. |
| 22:26:01 | nub | hahahaa |
| 22:26:02 | nub | ok |
| 22:26:06 | nub | one question then |
| 22:26:12 | scorche | DerPapst: i disgree |
| 22:26:18 | mud-rb_ | Der: i hearby offer you one free kick to the shin |
| 22:26:32 | * | scorche thinks more people should be joining #rockbox-community |
| 22:26:32 | DerPapst | well... |
| 22:26:35 | * | DerPapst ducks |
| 22:26:36 | nub | all: how to hell do i download it onto the ipod i keep following the maual |
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| 22:26:57 | salty_horse | hi. what's the default cabbiev2 font? |
| 22:26:59 | scorche | nub: well, they do it by following the manual, so what issue do you have? |
| 22:27:00 | Tatsh | hi guys |
| 22:27:10 | Tatsh | i tried upgarding my ipod mini 2g |
| 22:27:13 | lostlogic | salty_horse: just load the cabbiev2 theme file and find out ;) |
| 22:27:24 | Tatsh | and now i get the 'can't load rockbox.ipod' problem |
| 22:27:30 | Tatsh | and windows and linux both don't see the device |
| 22:27:43 | salty_horse | lostlogic, I can't find the font name after loading it :/ the font selector doesn't focus on it |
| 22:27:46 | nub | scorche: i mean where am i downloading it to, there is like no .exe to run or anything do i just drag it into the ipod |
| 22:27:47 | Tatsh | i installed itunes on my windows partition to see if i could run some kind of fix |
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| 22:28:01 | Tatsh | doesn't seem to have anything as it can't see the ipod itself |
| 22:28:01 | scorche | nub: i thought you said you check the manual |
| 22:28:13 | nub | scorche:i did but im a nub |
| 22:28:17 | lostlogic | salty-horse: I meant load it in the text editor ;) |
| 22:28:26 | linuxstb | Tatsh: Do what the screen tells you - i.e. hold MENU+SELECT together until your ipod reboots, then immediately press and hold SELECT+PLAY to force it into disk mode. |
| 22:28:39 | scorche | nub: so did you read it or not? |
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| 22:29:05 | linuxstb | Tatsh: Or alternatively, hold MENU+SELECT to reboot, then immediately turn the hold switch on - that should start the original Apple firmware. |
| 22:29:13 | Tatsh | ah okay |
| 22:29:30 | Tatsh | yay |
| 22:29:43 | Tatsh | windows is now seeing the ipod |
| 22:29:44 | Tatsh | :) |
| 22:29:52 | Tatsh | i'm so happy |
| 22:29:55 | * | Tatsh goes back to linux |
| 22:29:58 | mud-rb_ | nub: the install instructions are pretty explicit. if you're confused about some part you can ask, but having us tell you what is already written out is not likely to help |
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| 22:30:24 | nub | ha ya k |
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| 22:30:58 | Tatsh | god i love how rockbox isn't a total firmware hack |
| 22:31:01 | salty-horse | lostlogic, where is the cabbie2 config files? I can only find the wps files |
| 22:31:04 | Tatsh | which coudl result in bricks |
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| 22:31:38 | * | Tatsh goes back to linux |
| 22:31:38 | Tatsh | brb |
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| 22:31:54 | lostlogic | salty-horse: probably .rockbox/themes, but I'm not entirely positive |
| 22:31:58 | kugel | salty-horse: /.rockbox/themes |
| 22:32:25 | linuxstb | saratoga: I'm not sure if you've been told, but your build server wasn't running an arm-elf-gcc with the current version of the multilib patch. |
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| 22:33:05 | linuxstb | saratoga: It's fine for most targets, but e.g. the mrobe 500 build failed. Running rockboxdev.sh again will fix it. |
| 22:33:25 | salty-horse | oh, it's generated.. I was looking in svn :) |
| 22:33:34 | lostlogic | gevaerts: why doesn't rolo rolo when I've changed rockbox.ipod while connected from ROCKBOX_USB? |
| 22:34:09 | linuxstb | lostlogic: Because for some reason that code if #ifndef IPOD_ARCH... It needs fixing. |
| 22:34:26 | jhMikeS | e200 rolos endlessly when plugging usb |
| 22:34:47 | saratoga | and the mrobe builds correctly |
| 22:34:49 | lostlogic | at least I'm not crazy. |
| 22:34:57 | saratoga | didn't realize I was missing that |
| 22:35:01 | saratoga | linuxstb: I just updated it |
| 22:35:18 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: ? |
| 22:35:18 | saratoga | who should I talk to about improving mpegplayer? |
| 22:35:34 | linuxstb | saratoga: jhMikeS has done the most work on it... |
| 22:35:47 | saratoga | also, somehow the webclient just inserted those posts out of order ... |
| 22:36:01 | nub | i loeaded the boot loader but had an error! can't load rockbox.ipod files not found |
| 22:36:16 | scorche | nub: the bootloader isnt all there is |
| 22:36:17 | linuxstb | nub: Did you install Rockbox itself? |
| 22:36:21 | saratoga | also #2: if anyone else asks about the ARM emulator, I clarified the description a little |
| 22:37:11 | nub | linuxstb:i thought i did, it has its own folder and everything but thats it |
| 22:37:49 | saratoga | jhMikes: i am thinking about adding an additional video format to MPEG player, likely based on ffmpeg |
| 22:38:08 | jhMikeS | doesn't ffmpeg alreay handle the 1&2 stuff? |
| 22:38:11 | saratoga | i wanted to ask you about how the current mpeg2 decoder and how tightly coupled it is to the player itself |
| 22:38:17 | BHSPitMonkey | Well, now I'm signed up. |
| 22:38:22 | saratoga | I was thinking of H.264 |
| 22:39:01 | DerPapst | BHSPitMonkey: then go and write your proposal! |
| 22:39:05 | DerPapst | :-) |
| 22:39:26 | BHSPitMonkey | Rockbox, I want to grow old with you |
| 22:39:29 | jhMikeS | saratoga: too tightly in IMHO. decoding and rendering should be better separated though alot of stuff was frameworked to add different parsers. |
| 22:39:30 | saratoga | jhMikeS: how difficult would it be to add a second video format into the current encoder? |
| 22:39:46 | saratoga | thats good to know |
| 22:40:01 | saratoga | i'm debating proposing another GSOC project |
| 22:40:05 | nub | how do u get rockbox by itself on my ipod, i have the bootloader but thats it |
| 22:40:08 | saratoga | and mpegplayer seems like fun |
| 22:40:10 | jhMikeS | just more calls though pointers instead of hard coded |
| 22:40:22 | BHSPitMonkey | nub, download the .zip and extract it. |
| 22:40:29 | nub | after that |
| 22:40:31 | * | domonok1 still only sees one useable gsoc application :-/ so to all apply !! :-) |
| 22:40:38 | nub | its been extracted |
| 22:40:40 | BHSPitMonkey | nub, that's it. You extract it to the ipod's drive. |
| 22:41:03 | BHSPitMonkey | domonok1, I will, I will |
| 22:41:17 | saratoga | i'm not too familar with what a video player actually needs to do, but I assume the underlying "stuff" (synchronization, seeking, ???) are similar enough between MPEG2 and MPEG4 that most of it could be reused? |
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| 22:42:28 | Tatsh | okay |
| 22:42:31 | Tatsh | so now linux sees the ipod |
| 22:42:33 | saratoga | I was thining of proposing H.264 + mp3 in .mp4 as the core project, with TI DSP acceleration + resizing as the "time permitting" portion |
| 22:42:40 | Tatsh | and i figured out i got the wrong rockbox release |
| 22:42:44 | jhMikeS | saratoga: I don't know how similar they are or if the container assists heavily in seeking. MPEG1/2 is extremely heavy in file searching. |
| 22:42:48 | Tatsh | thought i had a 2g mini, but i have 1g |
| 22:42:59 | domonok1 | nub, check your players driver, if there really is a .rockbox dir with a rockbox.ipod in it.. |
| 22:43:52 | jhMikeS | saratoga: gigabeat S should also be able to support hardware overlays and colorspace conversion but the decoding would be software, but I guess the TI chips can do both of those. |
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| 22:44:37 | jhMikeS | The S's IPU can do scaling too |
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| 22:45:32 | saratoga | i guess the S is so fast a DSP really isn't all that important |
| 22:45:41 | nub | domonk1: got it to work i believe |
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| 22:46:05 | jhMikeS | a good portion of computing is used in rendering YUV so offloading that is definitely a good thing |
| 22:46:28 | saratoga | i really have no concept of where CPU time is spent in a video codec |
| 22:46:54 | saratoga | its so weird to look at how they work |
| 22:46:55 | jhMikeS | the video codec is perhaps about 1/2 the video output load |
| 22:47:04 | saratoga | same ideas as an audio codec, but with tiny transform sizes |
| 22:47:31 | saratoga | and time/space redudancy are split up into seperate encoding tools |
| 22:47:41 | saratoga | instead of being unified in the MDCT |
| 22:48:44 | jhMikeS | you mean the 8x8 block unit? They use IDCT not MDCT since there's no overlapping. |
| 22:48:46 | saratoga | jhMikeS: (so i have something to think about) how difficult do you think making the changes to mpegplayer will be? |
| 22:48:51 | nub | ok one last question ii hope,, is it possible to put vids on here |
| 22:49:00 | saratoga | yeah i know its pure DCT |
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| 22:50:58 | jhMikeS | saratoga: not terrible I'd think if it carries similar functionality. the assembly IDCT should drop right into ffmpeg since it was identical. |
| 22:51:12 | saratoga | sounds good |
| 22:51:19 | Breakage | woah, just installed rockbox on my ipod nano 1g dual boot :) and damn the sound quality from it is amazing, props to the devs if there's any here. :) |
| 22:51:31 | saratoga | my time will be somewhat more limited this summer, but on the other hand, i have much more experience so I hope to be more productive |
| 22:51:52 | saratoga | and skip the first month of last summer where i just tried to understand ffmpeg and rockbox without getting much done |
| 22:51:53 | jhMikeS | though I'd like not to lose 1) speed 2) frame-accuracy |
| 22:53:36 | jhMikeS | why was the first ffmpeg attempt at video so slow? is the library just not as fast? |
| 22:54:28 | saratoga | jhMikeS: what attempt is that? I was just referring to splitting the ffmpeg wma codec |
| 22:55:54 | amiconn | Whoa, what happened in the 17:40 build round?? |
| 22:56:00 | jhMikeS | there's an old closed flyspray task but I don't remember which. It got like 2 fps. |
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| 22:56:36 | Keripo | linuxstb: I uploaded a diff this time and used spaces instead of tabs |
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| 22:57:24 | Bagder | scorche: did you express Rockbox in favor of extending the application period? |
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| 22:57:51 | scorche | Bagder: no, i did not |
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| 22:58:39 | amiconn | Bagder: DO you know why there are holes in the table? |
| 22:59:08 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: The xvid patch on flyspray was libxvidcore iirc, not ffmpeg |
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| 23:00:35 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: Was it? Hmmm. |
| 23:01:00 | linuxstb | And I think it only got 2fps because the CPU wasn't boosted ;) |
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| 23:01:26 | Bagder | amiconn: the log looks suspicious, looks like a buildserver script bug or something |
| 23:01:32 | linuxstb | But it was huge - just the video codec was bigger than 512KB, requiring the plugin buffer to be increased to use the patch. |
| 23:01:50 | jhMikeS | hmmm...that might've gotten it to about 6 then :) |
| 23:02:52 | Bagder | amiconn: if it happens again I'll go after it |
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| 23:07:34 | Rincewind | scorche: if the gsoc application period is extended, will the following time line be changed, too? |
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| 23:08:31 | scorche | Rincewind: everything bumped a week, yes |
| 23:09:17 | Rincewind | so, even the final deadline August 18 is bumped? |
| 23:09:18 | saratoga | why were they considering bumping it? |
| 23:09:26 | jhMikeS | shouldn't the plugin be renamed if it plays more than mpeg? :) |
| 23:09:47 | saratoga | well xvid + h.264 are still mpeg |
| 23:10:06 | linuxstb | Wouldn't it be a separate plugin? |
| 23:11:12 | jhMikeS | it could be but a great deal of mpegplayer work would be applicable to that |
| 23:11:28 | saratoga | not to mention duplicating the audio codec |
| 23:12:00 | nub | yo having problems adding music on the ipod with rockbox |
| 23:12:24 | jhMikeS | the plugin could have it's own codec api (a mini rockbox within rockbox as it were :) |
| 23:13:04 | saratoga | not to mention i don't know jack about proper threading in rockbox |
| 23:13:12 | saratoga | so i'm hoping the current mpegplayer plugin can do that for me |
| 23:14:07 | saratoga | also, i just noticed FS #8822, how exactly is resume different from seeking? i just assumed rockbox issued a seek at the start of playback |
| 23:14:42 | jhMikeS | the threads are _mostly_ insulated from caring about that |
| 23:16:10 | * | amiconn wonders about this whole video codec discussion |
| 23:19:13 | jhMikeS | to add H264 and XVID to mpegplayer and what's involved |
| 23:19:29 | amiconn | Yeah, but I don't see the need for another video codec |
| 23:19:55 | amiconn | Unlike audio, one has to resize and hence transcode the video anyway |
| 23:19:56 | saratoga | H.264 makes a lot of sense since its more or less the standard for portable video |
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| 23:20:04 | saratoga | not on some of our new targets |
| 23:20:25 | saratoga | the gigabeat and TMS targets can resize from 480p easily enough i think |
| 23:20:34 | saratoga | perhaps larger |
| 23:21:29 | jhMikeS | gigabeat F is pretty close to maxed at NTSC framrates though. S has the hardware image acceleration but not decoding acceleration. |
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| 23:21:46 | amiconn | Perhaps, but why waste cpu power on something that the pc can do better (and also save disk space on the device this way)? |
| 23:21:47 | saratoga | what is hardware image acceleration? |
| 23:21:49 | rasher | Also, a good deal of content is available as H.264 in DAP-friendly sizes because of ipods and cellphones |
| 23:21:55 | Narc4746751 | Morning #rockbox |
| 23:22:18 | saratoga | in the long term thats a benefit of H.264, but it'd require an AAC codec that doesn't suck to be really useful |
| 23:22:40 | linuxstb | Making an AAC codec that doesn't suck would be a more useful SoC project... |
| 23:22:47 | rasher | saratoga: Ah, I lost sight of the sound |
| 23:22:50 | * | amiconn agrees with linuxstb |
| 23:22:53 | Narc4746751 | I've got a Sansa e280 v1 that's displaying the blue ring and black screen. I assume this to mean it's already in 'manufacturing mode.' When I connect it to my Linux box, lsusb shows no devices attached. Same when I boot it to manufacturing mode as per the unbrick instructions. |
| 23:22:59 | amiconn | Although I personally won't use AAC anyway |
| 23:23:09 | saratoga | linuxstb: I really don't think optimizing FAAC is a whole project |
| 23:23:10 | jhMikeS | saratoga: it has an IPU for hardware overlays, rotation, scaling, color conversion, color keys and alph-blending |
| 23:23:16 | Narc4746751 | Is it possible for me to recover this device? |
| 23:23:36 | saratoga | jhMikeS: I don't really get what an IPU is? A DSP? Or something less flexible? |
| 23:23:43 | rasher | Narc4746751: I don't think it is expected to show up iin lsusb when in manufacturing mode |
| 23:23:47 | saratoga | does it run ARM? |
| 23:24:08 | Narc4746751 | rasher, that's encouraging. Do you know what the next step is? |
| 23:24:23 | Rincewind | Narc4746751: does it show up in dmesg? |
| 23:24:34 | rasher | Narc4746751: running e200tool, but I don't remember the exact steps needed |
| 23:24:40 | Narc4746751 | okay |
| 23:24:52 | Narc4746751 | rincewind, how would it appear in dmesg? |
| 23:24:53 | linuxstb | saratoga: I'm not sure I agree- there's a lot of profiles of AAC to optimise, and both ARM and Coldfire targets to work on. There's even part of FAAD that aren't converted to fixed point yet. |
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| 23:25:00 | saratoga | regarding FAAC, cleaning out the dead code and switching to the IDCT + windowing code from the WMA codec would probaly put its performance pretty close to Ogg |
| 23:25:09 | Narc4746751 | Rincewind, when i run dmesg, i see a screenfull of VFS: busy inodes on changed media. |
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| 23:25:39 | saratoga | linuxstb: theres really only two AAC profiles that actually are in any use, LC and HE(v2), and HE probably isn't feasible on most targets anyway |
| 23:25:39 | Rincewind | Narc4746751: something about new scsi device attached |
| 23:25:50 | Narc4746751 | rincewind, no dice then. |
| 23:26:06 | Narc4746751 | i'll try it again with the select button and hold switch |
| 23:26:13 | saratoga | the other profiles like low delay and scalable sampling rate is more or less irrelevant since no one has encoders for them anyway outside of a few niches |
| 23:26:28 | saratoga | IMO they should just be removed from our source code |
| 23:27:04 | Narc4746751 | Rincewind, no dice. |
| 23:27:09 | domonok1 | saratoga: but a broader "improving rockbox audiocodec" could be a full gsoc project i think.. |
| 23:27:35 | amiconn | Aren't there some remaining problems in the wma decoder? |
| 23:27:43 | saratoga | how broad exactly? |
| 23:27:47 | saratoga | amiconn: oh yes |
| 23:28:01 | linuxstb | saratoga: As broad as needed... |
| 23:28:12 | domonok1 | and time allows :-) |
| 23:28:26 | Rincewind | Narc4746751: I can't help you with e200tool, I never had to use it. But some people here should be able to help you (but maybe those are at sleep now) |
| 23:28:28 | jhMikeS | saratoga: Image Processing Unit (that's what Freescale calls it) |
| 23:28:41 | saratoga | but the wma problems are getting fewer, and i'm slowly slogging through them |
| 23:28:51 | Narc4746751 | okay, rincewind, I just tried it |
| 23:28:53 | jhMikeS | you don't load you own code on it |
| 23:28:55 | Narc4746751 | it looks for a certain USB device |
| 23:29:01 | saratoga | i'm hoping to get that infurating 48k bug figured out soon |
| 23:29:09 | Narc4746751 | and all I have is 0000.0000 |
| 23:29:19 | saratoga | i've certainly sunk enough time into figuring out why moving print statements changes the output of the decoder |
| 23:29:44 | Narc4746751 | thanks anyways, rincewind =) |
| 23:30:01 | Narc4746751 | maybe i'll donate this one to science. |
| 23:30:49 | Rincewind | it should be possible to recover if nothing is wrong with the hardware itself, sansas are quite hard to brick |
| 23:31:13 | Narc4746751 | yeah, i've gone to the end of the unbrick page |
| 23:31:20 | Narc4746751 | and it revolves around a USB connection to the device |
| 23:31:28 | Narc4746751 | which I haven't achieved |
| 23:31:54 | Rincewind | Narc4746751: have you tried windows? |
| 23:32:17 | saratoga | i think you pretty much have to use linux |
| 23:32:22 | Narc4746751 | rincewind, once |
| 23:32:35 | Narc4746751 | rincewind, do you know the windows counterpart to lsusb? |
| 23:33:22 | Rincewind | the little icon that comes up in the tray... sorry I'm not really competent enough to help you |
| 23:33:28 | Narc4746751 | okay |
| 23:33:36 | * | Narc4746751 wishes usb had some kind of link light |
| 23:33:56 | amiconn | Device manager... |
| 23:36:30 | Narc4746751 | /var/log/messages has nothing to say about it either |
| 23:37:26 | Narc4746751 | poo... and I had already promised this one to someone else. |
| 23:37:31 | rasher | Narc4746751: you need to run e200tool connect or something like that |
| 23:37:37 | Narc4746751 | oh, really?? |
| 23:37:47 | * | Narc4746751 goes and tries it |
| 23:38:02 | rasher | I'm not sure that's the exact command, but you need to do something to "wake it up" |
| 23:38:21 | Narc4746751 | e200tool init |
| 23:38:25 | Narc4746751 | looks for a usb device |
| 23:38:38 | Narc4746751 | Searching for device 0781:0720 ... 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 not found! |
| 23:38:54 | Bagder | if the e200 doesn't show up as a usb device at all, it is probably dead or you have a problem in the host or with the cable |
| 23:39:12 | Narc4746751 | i tried two cables, badger, and the host worked fine this morning. |
| 23:39:12 | linuxstb | Or you're not entering manufacturing mode correctly... |
| 23:39:14 | rasher | I seem to recall this happening to me as well |
| 23:39:26 | rasher | Then suddenly I did The Magic Thing |
| 23:39:51 | Narc4746751 | maybe i'm holding my mouth wrong |
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| 23:40:22 | Narc4746751 | lol |
| 23:40:29 | Narc4746751 | hey, this couldn't be aproblem with the battery, could it? |
| 23:40:46 | Narc4746751 | i have some others i could swap out later |
| 23:41:00 | Narc4746751 | and it doesn't seem to hold much of a charge |
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| 23:45:04 | advcomp2019 | Narc4746751, sometimes it takes more then one time i have seen myself |
| 23:45:35 | Narc4746751 | advcomp2019, I have tried about eight times by now. |
| 23:45:52 | scorche | hrm...DeviceChart needs to be updated... |
| 23:46:27 | advcomp2019 | are you holding the REC button long enough? |
| 23:46:36 | Narc4746751 | trouble is I bought this as a returned device |
| 23:46:38 | Narc4746751 | so I have no idea what's been done to it |
| 23:46:52 | Narc4746751 | advcomp2019, I am holding the select button while plugging it into the USB. |
| 23:48:12 | scorche | CustomWPS is behind in LCD sizes too =/ |
| 23:48:25 | advcomp2019 | the e200tool works when it is in manufacturer mode while holding the REC button the last i knew |
| 23:48:35 | Narc4746751 | hm |
| 23:48:48 | Narc4746751 | i have not tried the rec button |
| 23:49:00 | Narc4746751 | i didn't think it was necessary for a USB connection |
| 23:49:09 | Narc4746751 | but here I go |
| 23:49:20 | scorche | i assume the m:robe is 160x128x2? |
| 23:49:32 | scorche | as in, not "gray"scale? |
| 23:49:53 | scorche | sorry...i mean x1 |
| 23:50:00 | linuxstb | Yes, it's x1 |
| 23:50:29 | Narc4746751 | advcomp2019, no dice. |
| 23:51:08 | Narc4746751 | i've held it for 15 sec now and still no usb connection. |
| 23:51:15 | scorche | and does the M3 use traditional WPSs, or it is a RWPS? |
| 23:52:42 | amiconn | .wps |
| 23:52:54 | amiconn | But it can use the prepared .rwps'es for X5/M5 |
| 23:53:08 | Narc4746751 | same result with battery removed |
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| 23:53:25 | Narc4746751 | when I removed the back plate, it seemed like it had been removed before. it wasn't torqued down. |
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| 23:53:39 | Narc4746751 | i hope nobody opened up the cabinet and spit in it. |
| 23:53:41 | amiconn | Just a matter of a rename. Afaik the wps/rwps distinction is only added by wpsbuild; in svn they all use wps |
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| 23:54:49 | amiconn | The M5 is also missing in the CustomWPS table |
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| 23:55:44 | scorche | yes, but for the purposes of the theme site, the RWPSs just come with the WPS...since RWPSs are specified and generally come with the theme as a package |
| 23:56:28 | scorche | 128×96x2 for the M3 then? |
| 23:57:26 | amiconn | yes |
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| 23:57:46 | amiconn | No RTC, btw |
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| 23:57:51 | Llorean | Ostensibly then, X5/M5 themes work as M3 themes. |
| 23:58:08 | mrkiko | Hi all! |
| 23:58:19 | mrkiko | Has someone red my today's considertions about playback? |
| 23:58:23 | Llorean | Well, I guess not, since it won't differentiate the extension. Nevermind. |
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