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#rockbox log for 2008-04-01

00:00:11bertrikI don't know about step 8 but I'm pretty sure about steps 3 and 4. Anyway the device should not depend on the exact enumeration sequence used by the host.
00:00:32*phinze will use the nutshell as a quick intro, and give the dead tree reference more credence
00:00:32amiconnCompiling can be enabled for all bitmap targets. The #if inside the plugin ensures that it ends up as 0-byte file on colour targets, and hence won't be packaged by 'make zip'
00:00:33DerPapstamiconn: i now too (more or less)
00:01:00DerPapstamiconn: ah didn't know.
00:02:01gevaertsbertrik: I'll do a trace tomorrow to verify step 4 on XP. Step 3 is at least inaccurate (low speed devices...)
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00:04:12gevaertsphinze: don't worry too much about it. You'll find out in time, and for usb audio you don't actually have to care about enumeration (except for the contents of the configuration descriptor). And if you want to give something credence (i.e. it's actually important), use the official spec (
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00:11:13phinzegevaerts: fair enough
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00:12:31gevaertsphinze: chances are that you won't encounter anything critical enough to need the actual spec anytime soon of course
00:13:19phinzegevaerts: still good to know i have 650pgs of Truth hanging out there in case i need it :)
00:13:46jhMikeSamiconn: hmmm...easy to rename that then. that codes still rather at the prototype stage anyway (I may take a completely different approach that uses sems instead)
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00:14:28amiconnjhMikeS: If you want to check which WAIT_* macros to avoid, check w32api/winbase.h
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00:15:46jhMikeSI know window's wait returns but didn't think about windows headers colliding. :\
00:16:48pixelmais it possible that this is also the reason why some button presses aren't working correctly in my cygwin compiled sim (depending on context one or two buttons don't do anythinh)?
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00:19:58crzyboysterWhat does everyone think of task 8835 ?
00:21:32Nico_PjhMikeS: hi
00:21:35linuxstbcrzyboyster: Yes, that's been suggested a few times in the past.
00:21:36n1sCould be useful for cariants of the same theme as he states in the request
00:22:00jhMikeSNico_P: hello
00:22:39jhMikeSbtw, I have a 30 gig iPod video in hand - does that one ever exhibit problems like the 60/80?
00:22:50crzyboysterPotentially another one of the new WPS features. It would probably save space on people's hardrives too and make theme packs easier to handle (better for the new site?)
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00:23:02Nico_PjhMikeS: you seem to think most of the playback bugs are due to concurrency issues, is there a way I could make them appear more often?
00:23:35gevaertscrzyboyster: the main problem I see is that you can break a theme by removing another one.
00:23:40Nico_PI don't know whether the 30G displays the same issues as the 60/80G
00:24:25DerPapstamiconn: still not able to compile the plugin but installing test build now.
00:24:33*gevaerts suggests adopting the .deb format for themes, so we can handle dependencies
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00:25:02crzyboystergevaerts: I see. Another thing that might be nice would be that if you could decide which wps folder each specific bitmap points to (exact path /wps folder/bitmap.bmp)
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00:26:25jhMikeSNico_P: well, you could take out the mutex_enable_preempt line. frankly I'm about this close >< to just rewriting playback.c. threading has to be proven correct logically since what fine now can 1) a bug is too rare to detect with testing 2) a change in order can make a race condition that never happened into one that almost always happens
00:26:33phinze"The USB host controllers have their own specifications. With USB 1.1, there were two Host Controller Interface
00:26:33phinzeSpecifications, UHCI (Universal Host Controller Interface) developed by Intel which puts more of the burden on
00:26:34phinzesoftware (Microsoft) and allowing for cheaper hardware and the OHCI (Open Host Controller Interface)
00:26:34DBUGEnqueued KICK phinze
00:26:34phinzedeveloped by Compaq, Microsoft and National Semiconductor which places more of the burden on
00:26:34phinzehardware(Intel) and makes for simpler software. Typical hardware / software engineer relationship. . ."
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00:27:16*phinze apologizes for the line breaks
00:27:46Nico_PjhMikeS: yeah I totally agree... I've been wishing to have time to rewrite it for a while now
00:28:02Nico_Pand wishing I had the skill too ;)
00:28:03amiconnDerPapst: Really strange; test_scanrate compiles fine for all my non-colour bitmap targets...
00:28:45Nico_PjhMikeS: If you decide to start doing it I'd love to discuss it and maybe try to help
00:29:11*gevaerts is going to sleep
00:29:11jhMikeSNico_P: There's no coordination of streams like with mpegplayer and as such I feel like playback of a single stream should be rather straightforward to code.
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00:29:52jhMikeSI can barely follow the *why* of much of what is done currently
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00:30:02DerPapstamiconn: as far as i can see it works fine. using contrast of 56 now
00:30:06phinzenight gevaerts
00:30:19DerPapstamiconn: investigating the test_scanrate.c issue now.
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00:30:38Nico_PjhMikeS: So far I've grown to accept it and try to fix it for lack of time to rethink it
00:30:41amiconnDerPapst: Hmm, 56? Quite a bit higher than what I need on 1st/2nd Gen...
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00:31:11artifexhi all
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00:31:58Nico_PjhMikeS: do you have some kind of design in mind? I guess something quite similar to mpegplayer?
00:31:59amiconnWhat did you use before?
00:32:22jhMikeSNico_P: it's one of those things I have to get ready to take the changes as far through the system as gets revealed...I don't doubt it's a month or two worth of careful checking
00:32:30DerPapst46 iirc
00:33:00DerPapstamiconn: and this ipod has some kind of problem with a too high default contrast :-)
00:33:37amiconnCould you try changing CONTRAST_REG_H as a test (lcd-gray.c line 65)
00:33:41DerPapstamiconn: in the of i have to keep it at it's minimum. if i increase it above 50% the LCD goes blank.
00:33:43jhMikeSNico_P: I'm sure I'd pull ideas from it if they're suitable but the buffer works much differently there (has random access and streaming operation)
00:33:59amiconnYou could try (in order of increasing contrast) 0x500, 0x600 and 0x700
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00:34:16Nico_Pdo you think the current buffering code is going to need much work to be made thread safe?
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00:35:52jhMikeSCan't tell how much right now but a handle usage protocol must be clearly defined. It's likely possible to not use mutexes at all and to use a concurrent linked list implementation.
00:36:58DerPapstamiconn: not a big problem for this 3G but for the other it would. the contrast of my other 3G is that low i have to increase the contast to the max in the OF inorder to see anything -.-
00:37:04Nico_Pwould there be a significant gin in doing that?
00:37:10DerPapstbut i can try of course
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00:39:11jhMikeSNico_P: if all threads can pass almost uncontended then yes esp. if two cores use it
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00:39:37Nico_Pmakes sense
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00:40:01Nico_Palso, I'm curious as to how you debug/check such code?
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00:44:34jhMikeSNico_P: stare at it or diagram it logically and make sure it's correct. that's basically it for threading.
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00:47:36Nico_Phmm... I wonder if it would be worth trying a model checker :)
00:48:11*Nico_P has been learning TLA at school and is looking for a practical use
00:48:54ChrononWhat's TLA?
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00:49:24Nico_Pbasically you specifiy your system and it checks all possible cases
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00:50:59*jhMikeS tends to imagine code being executed concurrently by multiple processes and juggles the order of arival/delays around to be sure each step result in the desired outcome(s).
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00:52:01Nico_PjhMikeS: does that work the same with cooperative threading as it does with preeptive?
00:52:20Nico_Por do you just think preemptively, knowing it will apply in coop?
00:52:44Nico_Pmeh, that's basically twice the same question
00:53:10ChrononjhMikeS: Thanks, that's a helpful mental image.
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01:05:12jhMikeSNico_P: I tend to think utterly parallel since code that survives that survies the others. Each is just a variable degree of the same thing.
01:06:14Nico_Pright.... I really need to train into that way of thinking
01:07:11*jhMikeS has to go fetch his gf, bbl
01:07:21Nico_PjhMikeS: do you have any possible weak spots of the current playback engine in mind? I should have a little more free time soon(ish) so I'd like to make quick fixes
01:07:27Nico_PI'll read the logs ;)
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01:15:55pixelmathat zajacattack in the forum makes me angry...
01:16:09scorche|shyou are not alone
01:16:30DerPapstban him.. as april fools joke :-)
01:16:42pixelmahehe :)
01:17:04DerPapstthat means one day off for you. and maybe he learned his lesson :-P
01:17:34pixelmasomehow I like the idea...
01:17:45DerPapstor one could accidently forget to unban him ]:->
01:17:49linuxstbThat's cruel - just banning him for one day...
01:17:50scorche|shit wouldnt be the first time he was banned
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01:43:00uklHmm... this might not be the perfect place to ask, but it's the best one I could imagine. Has anybody here got a Samsung YP-U3*?
01:43:15scorche|shukl: is this related to rockbox?
01:43:28uklUnfortunately not.
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01:43:42uklBut I'd appreciate a gentle push into the right channel :)
01:43:50markunscorche|sh: well, one is a DAP and the other is a firmware for DAPs, so I would say it's related
01:44:48markunukl: what is the question about? If it's Samsung specific maybe you can find a forum.
01:44:54uklmarkun: unfortunately my question only refered to the sound quality, not any firmware issues (as I doubt this little thing meets some kind of minimum requirements for being able to run rockbox) probably has a samsung section in their forums
01:45:15linuxstb_ukl: "Imagine Colors in your music" ;)
01:45:19uklI just hoped to find someone to tell me if the background noise of it is really that bad, maybe comparred to other players...
01:45:45ukllinuxstb_: no synestesia here... ;) (where does this line you quoted come from?)
01:46:09ukllinuxstb_: as you can see, btw, I'm still looking for an mp3/ogg player... trying to lower my standards according to my wallet
01:46:23markunmeizu M6SL?
01:46:40linuxstb_Still 193 C240s in stock at bigpockets...
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01:47:59uklI really liked this samsung yp-u1 I used for a while some days ago...but background noise...
01:48:05Nico_Plinuxstb_: I'm liking mine btw... pity it's only 1G because it's a nice change from bulky HD players
01:48:30linuxstb_Nico_P: I'm waiting for the button map to become sane... But yes, it's a nice little player.
01:49:07Nico_Plinuxstb_: do you know how to confirm in the vkeyboard?
01:49:43pixelmayou can use volume up or down, I recommend - the manual and FS #8824
01:49:47linuxstb_No idea. I struggle with that on most targets...
01:49:52*linuxstb_ should rtfm
01:49:57Nico_Psame here
01:50:07pixelmaor believe me :P
01:50:27Nico_Ppixelma: oh I hadn't seen your answer. thanks
01:50:44advcomp2019ukl, might be the best place to look like markun said
01:51:04*pixelma still wonders about the verrry verbose debug output when playing WMAs in a "normal" sim
01:51:25 Part toffe82
01:51:28uklThank you... it's incredible how much time I can spend on not-being-able-to-decide.
01:51:53Nico_Pthe keyboard really needs an overhaul IMHO
01:52:41linuxstb_ukl: Just be sure it's rockboxable ;)
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01:53:06uklyes, but that's kind of a step up the €-ladder
01:53:23pixelmalinuxstb_: do you perhaps have an opinion on whether it's worth renaming iCatcher.128x96x1.wps to iCatcher.128.96x2.wps? Would make sense in combination with the display specs but only monochrome graphics are used currently
01:55:22linuxstb_pixelma: Does it get installed correctly? I assume it's the iaudio rwps?
01:56:34pixelmayes, Iaudio remote wps and it gets installed correctly (X5 sim) but haven't checked the M3 yet...
01:57:10linuxstb_Ah no, looking at, it seems to try all depths until it finds a matching one.
01:57:20linuxstb_(starting at the highest the LCD supports)
01:57:51linuxstb_So no, I think it probably makes sense to keep it as x1, just in case we get a 128x96x1 target...
01:58:42pixelmahmm, ok. I have all the mono versions ready then
02:00:50pixelmalinuxstb_: btw. imagemagick's montage tool is really nice for the work :)
02:00:58linuxstb_I know ;)
02:01:25pixelmathat was my way of saying "thank you for the hint" ;)
02:01:54linuxstb_Happy to help - it's tedious work at best.
02:03:34pixelmayes, especially the long sublines for the animation in iCatcher
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02:09:25saratoga3are any of the Telechips targets nearing maturity?
02:10:03linuxstb_The D2 port is progressing well, my logikdax is sleeping...
02:10:05saratoga3I noticed that the 78XX and higher chips would also be good canidates for mpegplayer upgrades
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02:10:15saratoga3since they're almost Gigabeat S level of CPU power
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02:11:58saratoga3can the D2 play audio yet?
02:12:02pixelmasaratoga: did you leave something enabled in some wma related files which shouldn't be enabled for some everyday sim user? The output is huge compared to playing other codecs
02:12:49saratoga3pixelma: theres some debugf output, but i don't see much reason to remove it
02:13:01saratoga3i assume if you're looking at the wma codec under the sim you're probably trying to fix it
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02:13:12linuxstb_Or testing a WPS...
02:13:19pixelmaI just play it to "debug" iCatcher
02:13:19saratoga3with wma files?
02:13:36saratoga3people here actually use those?
02:13:40pixelma(because it had no wma icon so far)
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02:13:54linuxstb_IMO debugfs should be removed, or at least disabled by default.
02:13:56saratoga3i can remove them if they're really annoying people
02:14:15linuxstb_(I'm probably guilty of leaving some in the asf code)
02:14:30pixelmaI wouldn't have anything against some
02:14:31saratoga3i suppose the seeking ones can probably go now that seeking seems stable
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02:14:36Thundercloud_linuxstb_: So when you say it's going well (the D2 port), is there a progress map on the wiki perchance?
02:15:01linuxstb_Thundercloud_: I've no idea. shotofadds (the person working on the port) posts to the forum thread frequently though.
02:15:23Thundercloud_Ah okay
02:15:41Thundercloud_Also, what kind of programming skills do you really need to get involved with rockbox?
02:15:47linuxstb_And I see commits to SVN quite often...
02:16:04saratoga3the D2 has a really interesting CPU
02:16:15pixelmabut it's *a lot*. It's constantly scrolling and after a few seconds of playing the backlog is full and I can't see what the WPS parser told me ;)
02:17:32saratoga3and its actually documented
02:17:32linuxstb_Thundercloud_: Just C programming - the level of skill depends on how deeply you want to dig into Rockbox.
02:17:32Thundercloud_linuxstb_: Ah I see
02:17:32Thundercloud_I just completed a course on embedded systems
02:17:32linuxstb_Thundercloud_: Using C?
02:17:32Thundercloud_linuxstb_: PIC ASM and C
02:17:51saratoga3you'll do fine
02:18:09Thundercloud_I've got a D2 myself so I can possibly help out a bit
02:18:11*linuxstb_ notices the SoC deadline go by and wonder if applications are closed
02:18:17Thundercloud_If I have time that is :P
02:19:13Lloreanlinuxstb_: It was extended.
02:19:13Thundercloud_My exams'll be over by like May 12th so you never know.
02:19:13saratoga3they extended it a week
02:19:13*pixelma points linuxstb_ to the mailing list
02:19:13Thundercloud_Yeah, 7th April now
02:19:13pixelmatoo slow
02:19:13DerPapsthow many are there already?
02:19:13DerPapstgsoc apps i mean
02:19:13linuxstb_Good, so still time for rockbox-as-app-app
02:19:13Thundercloud_linuxstb_: ?
02:19:25linuxstb_A "rockbox as application" application
02:19:36saratoga3everyone around here has an iphone as it is
02:19:43saratoga3i'm wondering if i should point my school's mailing list at GSOC + rockbox and see if we can't get a few more CS or CE students to apply
02:19:57Thundercloud_linuxstb_: So that would be what? A version of rockbox for an x86 platform?
02:20:15saratoga3also, its getting really annoying how the webclient somehow manages to reverse the order of posts if they're sent close enough
02:20:17DerPapstThundercloud_: more for mobile phones
02:20:21linuxstb_Maybe, or maybe for portable devices - e.g. a Symbian port.
02:20:23Thundercloud_DerPapst: Ah I like this
02:20:26DerPapstand pdas
02:20:30Thundercloud_linuxstb_: Symbian? Aw poo :P
02:20:45Thundercloud_Well to be fair a J2ME port is probably out of the question correct? :P
02:20:56linuxstb_Thundercloud_: Many devices use it, and it's possible (afaik) to use gcc
02:21:21saratoga3iphone is probably the most attractive port imo, since theres so much 3rd party development and hacking already done
02:21:22Thundercloud_linuxstb_: The unfortunate thing is, mine doesn't :P
02:21:37Nico_PDerPapst: there are 15 eligible applications
02:21:48linuxstb_Nico_P: "eligible" ?
02:21:58DerPapstsaratoga3: iirc if you use the official iPhod SDK you cannot access the filesystem directly.
02:22:14Nico_Plinuxstb_: well, 'not yet marked ineligible' :)
02:22:29saratoga3we don't want or need the official sdk
02:22:55DerPapstsaratoga3: true....
02:23:13DerPapsti just thought i'll throw it in here ;-)
02:23:15Nico_Pthe jailbreak might be useful though
02:23:34DerPapstany really good new apps too?
02:23:38saratoga3yes that will be necessary to defeat code signing
02:23:45saratoga3or whatever it is apple uses
02:23:55saratoga3but all that work is done, and the arm tool chain is already available
02:24:13pixelmalinuxstb_: did you see my complaint-wondering-question hours ago?
02:24:36linuxstb_pixelma: No, what time?
02:25:27saratoga3haha the D2's LCD controller can take pixel's in YUV format
02:25:43linuxstb_Yes, that's quite common for these PMPs
02:26:09linuxstb_I think the DM320's LCD controller is similar
02:26:12Nico_Psaratoga3: apparently it's now possible to run homebrew
02:26:23Nico_Pgiven they release the pwnage though
02:26:24pixelmalinuxstb_: around 17:30 in now yesterday's logs
02:26:36saratoga3Nico_P: its been possible for ages
02:26:47saratoga3the new hack just lets you replace the entire OS
02:27:10uklwhat would you understand as sound being "dynamic"? (I don't understand this review...)
02:27:10linuxstb_pixelma: Ah yes, kugel reported the same issue...
02:27:11saratoga3basically lets you flash your own OS instead of just running apps in the OS
02:27:14Nico_Psaratoga3: yeah, that's what I meant. I was thinking of a regular rockbox port, not rockbox as an app
02:27:29saratoga3i think that would be a bad idea
02:27:30linuxstb_pixelma: It's on my to-do list (which I'm just writing...)
02:27:40Nico_Psaratoga3: really? why?
02:27:52saratoga3apple has provided us with all their drivers
02:27:54pixelmalinuxstb_: ok, just wanted to let you know (or know if I remembered wrong)
02:27:58saratoga3not using them would be silly
02:28:11saratoga3additionally, it would not be possible to support the phone part of the iphone
02:28:24LloreanThe iPhone and iPod Touch are basically PDAs anyway.
02:28:35LloreanNot really the target of "Rockbox as a firwmare" in the first place.
02:28:39DerPapstand speed wouldn't be an issue so a native rockbox isn't needed either
02:28:55saratoga3and for what advantage? we gain nothing by trying to reverse engineer hardware that already has what is effectively a wide open unix based OS
02:29:23Nico_Pgood point
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02:30:28saratoga3honestly i hope rockbox eventually moves in that direction
02:30:47Nico_PI hope we keep both directions open :)
02:30:55*Nico_P goes to bed
02:30:58saratoga3reverse engineering hardware consumes a lot of developer time and in the future as portable devices become more advanced and more open it seems like this shouldn't be so necessary
02:31:22Nico_PI hope you're right ;)
02:31:28saratoga3not to mention the increasing complexity of SOCs makes it increasingly difficult
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02:32:40saratoga3i shudder to think how the PP work would have gone on had PP actually been competent to design something useful
02:32:45linuxstb_saratoga3: Then work on rockbox-as-app for Soc ;)
02:32:59saratoga3not really my area
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02:33:30saratoga3i like DSP and not much else about programming
02:33:55saratoga3i don't think i'd be much use otherwise
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02:49:00Lloreansaratoga3: On gigabeat you can already listen to music while playing Rockboy as long as the ROM fits in the plugin RAM
02:49:30saratoga3yeah thats what i figured
02:50:14saratoga3someone do that
02:50:14saratoga3also the easiest GSOC in the world would be that Moto Cellphone port
02:50:23saratoga3the codes already written, just have to get it commited
02:50:32linuxstb_The problem with Doom is DRAM, not IRAM
02:50:40saratoga3argh stupid out of order webclient bug
02:50:46uklHmm.... I wonder if limiting the range to those hardly larger than a pocket lighter made decisions easier...
02:51:18Lloreanukl: Please, this is an on-topic channel pertaining to Rockbox...
02:51:30uklLlorean: sorry. I'm stopping it.
02:51:59saratoga3hmm on second thought maybe i should apply for merging that Moto port
02:52:08Lloreansaratoga3: Regarding the Motorola phone port, it also needs some work to integrate it into the build system, doesn't it?
02:52:31saratoga3if no one else steps up to do Rockbox as an app, I'll change my application
02:52:36saratoga3Llorean: I have no idea, but it wouldn't surprise me
02:52:44saratoga3i think there'd still be a fair amount of work involved regardless
02:53:20LloreanAt the very least, it'd be a great place to start "rockbox as an app", since "app" targets in the build system need to be definable, rather than just special cases of the sim.
02:53:35saratoga3blackhawk didn't seem too intereseted in keeping his code compatable with rockbox
02:53:39saratoga3its probably a real mess
02:54:46saratoga3he did eventually remove the album art patch for us I think
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02:55:28saratoga3has anyone applied for the rockbox as an app project?
02:55:46JdGordon|uninoone that gets whats the tas is has
02:56:34LloreanThere was Rockbox as a JAVA app, I believe... ;)
02:56:40saratoga3if I write up an application and submit it could it be held in backup in case someone else wants a crack at it?
02:57:37linuxstb_saratoga3: It would be great if you wanted to do it, but be aware that it's likely to be all the things you don't like, such as modifying Rockbox's build system to allow a new category of targets, and probably abstracting the GUI code to enable Rockbox to interface with the host OS's GUI.
02:57:59saratoga3yes I'll have to think carefully about that
02:58:22saratoga3but I think the host already used SDL so thats probably not too bad
02:58:44linuxstb_IMO it should be more than just porting a sim to a new OS...
02:59:16saratoga3ideally it would revolve around gettnig a framework in place for using rockbox as an app
02:59:32saratoga3build system, cleaning up sim code, etc
03:06:24linuxstb_saratoga3: We still have another week, so yes, if you wanted you could prepare an app and wait until next Monday before submitting.
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03:10:38tanjahreeenHi guys, I am currently having a probelm with my sansa that already has rockbox on it. After I have fully charged it, it resets and boots the rockbox firmware. But rockbox displays the battery level at 65%. Is this a glitch currently being worked on by rockbox? or am I doing something wrong?
03:11:26tanjahreeenBye the way, it has the latest build
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03:26:44TD-Linuxhello, I am having difficulty finding the voice files on rockbox's download page
03:27:08TD-LinuxI was able to find the fonts
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03:29:13pixelmahmm... yes, the links have currently vanished
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03:30:36TD-LinuxI kinda need the voice files
03:30:43TD-Linuxmy ipod is, err, currently lacking a screen
03:31:16pixelmaI hope to find someone who can fix this in a few hours but at this time of day it's calm here... :\
03:32:32scorchepixelma: out of curiousity, which post of zacablahblah's were you looking at when you commented?
03:32:35TD-Linuxis there an alternate download link?
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03:34:35pixelmaTD-Linux: unfortunately I could only find one with too old voice files which won't be of any help
03:36:04pixelmascorche: I looked at the 10 most recent posts and it had the first reply to Febs in it and the following "the moderators" blablah... but I should really get some sleep
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03:37:17linuxstbTD-Linux: Which ipod?
03:38:53TD-Linuxnano 1g
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03:39:33TD-Linuxaha found them
03:40:07linuxstbThe ones dated 2006-12-23?
03:40:37nikosapiI seem to have a problem loading themes, when they load they're often using the wrong font or iconset. The Cabbiev3 theme in particular is missing most of the icons from the "now playing" window. Is there something I'm not doing right here?
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03:40:54TD-Linuxyeah two years old :/
03:41:07TD-Linuxare they in SVN somewhere?
03:41:14TD-Linuxthanks for the link!
03:41:17TD-LinuxI missed it
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03:41:22linuxstbThank google's cache...
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03:42:43TD-Linuxokay now
03:42:45TD-Linuxmoment of truth
03:43:21TD-Linuxhow long till I hear something?
03:44:07TD-Linuxis there something special for 'blind users' ?
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03:46:53renkhohello all
03:47:36renkhoim in the process of rockbox my iriver h320 :)
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03:48:07renkhobut something that i dont have it clear yet, is which files should be on the root of the iriver
03:48:28renkhois actually only: H300.hex
03:48:31renkhoand some folders
03:48:47renkhothe version of the firmware is 1.29E
03:49:21renkhoso i just patched the file: h300.hex with the fwpatcher
03:49:44renkhowhat now? i need to replace the H300.hex of my iriver with the patched one?
03:49:52renkhowhat more should i copy?
03:50:01renkhoi extracted the rockbox distribution
03:50:07renkhobootloader-h300.bin <-?
03:52:32Lloreanrenkho: Are you following the directions in the manual?
03:52:44TD-Linuxhmm I don't think rockbox is booting
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03:52:53TD-Linuxhow do I tell if it is apple firmware or not?
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03:53:09renkhoLlorean: yeah im trying
03:53:42TD-Linuxalso how long does it take rockbox to load?
03:54:02Lloreanrenkho: Specifically, what step in which instructions are you at?
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03:54:19LloreanTD-Linux: A few seconds. But if your screen is broken, it's basically impossible to know what's going wrong.
03:54:30renkhoi just patched the firmware (1.29E)
03:54:32TD-Linuxlsusb says apple computer, inc
03:54:40renkhowith the fwpatcher
03:55:00renkhoand extracted the rockbox distribution into the iriver
03:55:11renkhoso i see a folder called: .rockbox
03:55:18renkhointo the h300 drive
03:55:36renkhostill the original h300.hex on it
03:55:52renkhothat i had to downgrade because in the first place i had installed the 1.31K
03:56:39Lloreanrenkho: The manual has numbered steps... which is the first step you have not completed?
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03:56:59LloreanTD-Linux: When you connect by USB it's always going to be in the apple firmware, because we don't have a USB mode and reboot into it.
03:57:23TD-Linuxso I disconnect ipod
03:57:28renkhoLlorean: im in the 5th step of manual installation
03:57:33TD-Linuxhold down menu + select for a while, nothing happens ...
03:57:48Lloreanrenkho: Now, what exactly are you asking?
03:58:13LloreanTD-Linux: It will be very hard to tell if anything happens, since your screen is already off/broken.
03:58:19renkhoi got a file looking around: bootloader-h300.bin
03:58:22TD-Linuxhmm these headphones do work
03:58:23LloreanTD-Linux: if you put headphones on, though, you might hear a pop.
03:58:23renkhodo i need that one?
03:58:28TD-Linuxthey sound terrible though o.O
03:58:32TD-Linuxyeah I do hear a pop
03:58:37Lloreanrenkho: The manual doesn't say you need it.
03:58:45LloreanTD-Linux: That's when the iPod reboots.
03:58:55TD-Linuxokay let me listen again
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03:59:16TD-Linuxthere's a pop when I plug it in :P
03:59:21TD-Linuxso at least I have power
03:59:34TD-Linuxmaybe it needs to charge more ?
03:59:42TD-Linuxthe pop should indicate power tho
03:59:54TD-Linuxdoes the voice say WELCOME TO ROCKBOX! or something?
04:00:02renkhoLlorean: sorry i was a bit confused when i opened this link:
04:00:13LloreanTD-Linux: No.
04:00:25TD-Linuxwhat's the first way I can get sound?
04:00:33TD-Linuxpushing random keys?
04:00:35Lloreanrenkho: But the manual does not tell you to download this file.
04:00:48LloreanTD-Linux: If voice is working, scrolling up or down should move you in the list, and it should read entries.
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04:00:57TD-Linuxop nope it isn't
04:01:01TD-LinuxI bet I'm in apple firmware or something
04:01:09*TD-Linux is going to retry the flasher
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04:01:46TD-Linuxactually I'll try the gui this time
04:02:14renkhoLlorean: ok, so im ready for copy the patched .hex file into the iriver and reboot it
04:02:45renkhohow much time does it usually take the upgrade?
04:03:49Lloreanrenkho: Pretty quick.
04:04:34TD-Linuxarg now I can't make it mount
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04:05:57renkhoooh yeah:D
04:06:01renkhoit worked :D
04:07:00TD-Linuxrecoginizes and make scsi device
04:07:12TD-Linuxbut no block device or filesystem :(
04:07:27*TD-Linux reconnects hub
04:07:51TD-Linuxgaa direct connect time
04:08:12renkhonow time to learn to use it lol
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04:09:02renkhoi have to say that i was very scared with this
04:10:01TD-Linuxokay we are getting there it seems now
04:10:10TD-Linuxit's recognizing as mass storage
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04:14:37renkhoi can't boot into the original firmware
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04:27:12TD-LinuxI HEARD IT SAY 'FILES'
04:27:25TD-Linuxbut then nothing
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04:27:33TD-Linuxmaybe it needs to charge
04:27:39TD-Linuxcan I make it charge without going to usb mode?
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04:28:18cool_walking_Yes, hold "menu" while inserting the USB cable
04:28:48TD-Linuxhmm now nothing :(
04:29:14TD-LinuxI wonder if I inserted the touch panel ribbon cable correclty
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04:33:41TD-Linuxbut yeah I see the touch pad isn't connected now :(
04:33:47TD-Linuxtime to dissect again
04:35:05TD-LinuxI wish there was a way I could turn the ipod off :(
04:35:23renkhooh it works now
04:35:25renkhohave to go
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04:39:52TD-Linux'SYSTEM' !
04:40:53TD-LinuxI got the touchpad mostly working now
04:40:59TD-Linuxbut its batteries just died I think :(
04:41:11TD-Linuxneed enough power so I can boot it and hold menu to plug it in
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04:43:44Thundercloud_Which one?
04:43:52TD-Linuxipod nano
04:43:58TD-Linuxgotta get it into rockbox next
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05:46:18ChristopherWDid something change recently with the handling of bitmaps in the WPS?
05:46:54ChristopherWI have some WPS files that used to work a few days ago (build r16874 or earlier I think) but now some of the images don't display (progress bar, background, etc.)
05:47:43ChristopherWer, that's r16873, not r16874
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07:13:12cool_walking_I'm trying to build the manual in Cygwin. On first attempt it complains of missing convbdf, so I make a [N]ormal build to force it to make the tools. Try again, and it compiles a bunch of stuff, dying with: make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/cygdrive/c/rockbox/ipodmanual/max_language_size.h', needed by `/cygdrive/c/rockbox/ipodmanual/manual/filetypes.o'. Stop.
07:13:27cool_walking_It's also giving me "Run make in your build directory!" at the start.
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09:17:43Topic"Please read before speaking: | Now announcing our joint venture with zune-linux to add the Zune devices to our target list! | Prepare for a bumpy road as we transition from a linux base to our own custom kernel. Sorry, but it needs to be done. | We feel that Rockbox is becoming known more as a gaming platform, so we have decided to start phasing out audio capabilities. Here's hoping for a better, mor " by scorche (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
09:18:16Topic"Please read before speaking: | Now announcing our joint venture with zune-linux to add the Zune devices to our target list! | Prepare for a bumpy road as we transition from a linux base to our own custom kernel. | We feel that Rockbox is becoming known more as a gaming platform, so we have decided to start phasing out audio capabilities. Here's hoping for a better, mor" by scorche (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
09:18:35Topic"Please read before speaking: | Now announcing our joint venture with zune-linux to add the Zune devices to our target list! | Prepare for a bumpy road as we transition from a linux base to our own custom kernel. | We feel that Rockbox is becoming known more as a gaming platform, so we have decided to start phasing out audio capabilities. Here's hoping for a better, more fun Rockbox in 2008!" by scorche (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
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09:24:29scorcheB4gder: so, how much is this couponcactus this adding to the fund?
09:24:44B4gdercurrently 500USD/month
09:25:02scorcheholy wow....not too shabby
09:25:14B4gderbut they want to double that to get more links on there
09:25:18*Mouser_X has adblock on.
09:25:30scorchethat is really impressive
09:26:01peturmaybe the ads should be put in a box as well?
09:26:06LloreanB4gder: There's been some displeasure about it (mostly that you didn't also send word to the list giving warning, from the sounds of it) but as a request, any way to make it clearer it's an ad?
09:26:29scorcheperhaps a tiny "Why do we have ads" wiki page?
09:27:06B4gdersure, zagor's currently on vacation so he just added this quickly. I'm sure we can tweak this a lot more once he gets back for real
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09:29:35B4gdertwo new builds added to the table
09:30:00*jhMikeS reads "How Coupon Cactus Works..." and immediately spots a contradiction
09:30:39scorcheB4gder: how did contact with these folk get established?
09:31:41B4gderthe guys that buy this spot from us sell it to the link owners, they contacted zagor and offered money for adding text links
09:32:17B4gderI mean, the coupon guys have not contacted us
09:32:23jhMikeSso when do we add popups? :P
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09:32:36B4gderit's all about the money
09:32:52B4gderand lots of money for tiny text links is good value for us, imho
09:32:53scorcheB4gder: and the devcon tickets/beer we can purchase with it! ;)
09:33:00B4gderyes indeed
09:33:11*jhMikeS has never lifted a finger for any other reason *big chuckles*
09:33:40peturabout devcon.... a date?
09:34:12Mouser_Xpetur: Bringing one?
09:34:15scorche500USD is well worth getting for that tiny text link imo....although with the current dollar trends...
09:34:17Mouser_XSounds like a plan.
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09:34:37B4gderscorche: there will be more links there too soon as well, as I believe they pay for up to ten links
09:34:52*petur hits Mouser_X with an empty beer bottle
09:35:00scorcheso 5000USD per month?
09:35:19B4gderthe 500 is for that "box" place, which may contain 10 links
09:35:31scorcheah....rats :)
09:36:20Mouser_Xpetur: If you did, you'd have me beat (at least you'd have someone to bring).
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09:36:58*Mouser_X will say no more, and attempt to be on-topic now.
09:37:32B4gderpetur can bring his "new date" for next year's family version of devcon ;-)
09:37:55*petur throws more bottles
09:40:41B4gderI'd love a devcon date too
09:40:55Mouser_XI'd like a date of any kind...
09:41:05scorcheack....i was going to send a mail off tonight too =/
09:41:11peturB4gder: maybe we can go together ;)
09:46:03pondlifeHmm, according to I should have an EXTRA_DEFINES line in Makefile....
09:46:14pondlife"..change the EXTRA_DEFINES line to say..."
09:46:26pondlifeIs this wrong, I see no EXTRA_DEFINES line
09:46:51GodEaterunless it's been removed recently, then no
09:46:54B4gderexport EXTRA_DEFINES bla bla in the root Makefile?
09:46:59Nico_Ppondlife: you can also add the define to the config header file
09:47:13pondlifeHmm, Niotepad++ went crazy and picked up another Makefile :)
09:48:19B4gderhey we need a commit!
09:49:29pondlifeThat's one wide table :)
09:51:04pondlifeDid we consider putting the sims and bootloaders in separate tables?
09:51:14peturhmmm 42?
09:51:31pondlifeHow many beers must a man gulp down?
09:52:11peturnah... think quality, not quantity
09:54:44*scorche wonders why petur is starting this early
09:54:59LloreanjhMikeS: Hey, you Gigabeast guys still using confusing mtp transfers? I haven't heard much talk recently, but I remember someone had a link a few days ago to "much improve MTP support" in the latest Ubuntu alpha, which looked like you could natively browse MTP devices rather easily.
09:55:30Nico_PLlorean: that's probably mtpfs
09:55:48LloreanAny good?
09:55:58GodEaternot really
09:56:01Nico_Pnever tried it... mtp-sendifle works fine for me
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09:56:09GodEaterit still suffers the same problem with the device not resetting
09:56:12jhMikeSnot causing me any trouble either
09:56:20GodEateri.e. you get one transfer, and then have to replug
09:56:24Nico_Pwe just send the tar over and the bootloader untars it
09:57:24jhMikeSbut it leaves it in the filename database anyway
09:59:51Mouser_XWell, for iTunes stuff (from #rb-community), I don't have any idea how the idea is being proposed.
09:59:59Mouser_XBut I don't see why it has to be part of the core.
10:00:10Mouser_XAs in, being able to import stuff is fine.
10:00:28LloreanBecause if it were a plugin, it wouldn't be able to keep the iTunes database in sync with the Rockbox one.
10:00:28Mouser_XCreate an external app/plugin/whatever, that can interact with the Rockbox DB.
10:00:37LloreanYou'd have to manually invoke it.
10:01:02jhMikeSNico_P: in the EVENT_HANDLE_REBUFFER processing you're using queue_send. is there any chance that queue_send to the audio queue will be used? if it does that without a reply first, it will deadlock.
10:01:18scorcheLlorean: yes, but is having it done automatically for those who do use iTunes and rockbox worth it being in the core?
10:01:26Mouser_XOh, you mean for the iTunes DB that's currently on the iPod... I see.
10:01:57scorcheand where do we stop when people ask for other similar things?
10:01:58LloreanMouser_X: Yes. You listen to songs, and it keeps the local iTunes DB playcount updated, which then causes the PC-side one to be in sync when they sync.
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10:02:37scorche"well, iTunes 'stuff' gets to be in the core...why cant <proprietary system here> be in there too?"
10:02:45Lloreanscorche: "iTunes" is more or less a software extension of the "iPod" experience. It's nearly integral with the hardware. Just because we cut the tie from it doesn't necessarily mean we should enforce an inability to effectively use the software.
10:02:52Mouser_XI barely use the Winamp ML, and everytime I've used the Rockbox DB, I've not liked it.
10:02:59LloreanIt can be explained as "finishing support for the iPod'
10:03:08Mouser_XSo, I can see uses for it, but I don't use it much.
10:03:26linuxstb_My main worry is maintainability - we only have one developer interested in Rockbox's native database, and I can't see anyone wanting to maintain itunes db support if the student disappears after the summer.
10:04:34B4gderhopefully the student sticks, and the work is made separate enough to not hinder us if it stays untouched after the summer
10:04:36Lloreanlinuxstb_: As far as I see, "support" for the iTunes database should be a system that imports all data from it into our DB when changed, and exports bits back to it. So we don't really interact with it beyond that, and there's little to maintain unless the format changes.
10:04:52Mouser_XI'm all for an external app that can interact with the Rockbox DB, but (iPods excluded), I don't think it needs to be in the core.
10:05:09LloreanB4gder: Well hopefully it'd be in #ifdefs too.
10:05:14linuxstb_Llorean: What if Rockbox's core changes - e.g. the way track change events are handled for example? There are two things interacting...
10:05:16B4gderthat too, yes
10:05:48Lloreanlinuxstb_: That would, though, be recorded in the Rockbox database. The export could get its data from that, rather than from the actual playback system, couldn't it?
10:06:09LloreanThe way I see it, iTunesDB <−−> Rockbox DB <−−> Playback
10:06:12scorchei dont know...i suppose i am just of the opinion that we should not be coddling proprietary systems in the core unless there is a very good reason (which i dont see this being as a manual plugin or program would work fine)
10:07:04pondlifeLlorean: That could be iTunesDB <−−> file tags <−−> Rockbox DB .... ?
10:07:10*jhMikeS just had a soft deadlock when letting an album play to the end and so wonders if that's what just occurred
10:07:43Lloreanpondlife: The iTunesDB isn't necessarily based on file tags, and I think the data the Rockbox DB gets from it should be the data it can't already get from Tags (don't take artist, album, etc from it at all)
10:08:00LloreanMostly playcounts, ratings, and custom playlist stuff.
10:08:25*scorche heads to sleep and resigns to reading logs tomorrow
10:08:41pondlifeI'd like playcounts/ratings to be put back into tags, personally - no idea if that's possible though...
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10:09:01pondlifeI like the per-track info to be stored with the track
10:09:24Lloreanpondlife: In regards to iTunes though, they relate to two different files (the one in the library on the PC, and the one on the player)
10:09:35LloreanAt least, as far as I know.
10:09:54pondlifeUrgh, that's not nice
10:10:05pondlifeSorry, never used iTunes
10:10:28pondlifeI was more thinking that you're only lacking the bridge between iTunes and file tags
10:10:46pondlifeplus iTunes and playlists
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10:11:50LloreanThe way I see it, at least, is for the data we can't extract from file tags.
10:12:12LloreanAnd for writing back the data they expect to be present on the host when things are done.
10:12:28pondlifeWould EXTM3U be any help?
10:13:14LloreanDon't think so.
10:13:39pondlifeAre there standards to store ratings/playcounts in tags?
10:14:01LloreanWhether they are or aren't, it wouldn't solve the problem with keeping the iTunes database up to date.
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10:14:22Lloreanscorche: Well, assuming software USB, one possibility would be to run the update, as a plugin, before USB connection if the feature's enabled, I'd imagine.
10:14:23pondlifeIT would if there were a db <−−> tags application
10:14:53Lloreanpondlife: An iTunesDB <−−> tags? If such an application existed, it wouldn't need to be part of Rockbox at all.
10:15:11LloreanAs in, it would be irrelevant to this discussion...
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10:15:26pondlifeHence no need to put proprietary stuff into Rockbox
10:15:30pondlifeWhich is good, no?
10:16:02pondlifeHmm, on another topic, anyone here tried our USB storage on a C200 recently?
10:16:08LloreanI can't see how it would keep the on-player database up to date when syncing with iTunes...
10:16:23markungevaert's meizu arrived!
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10:17:01Mouser_XLlorean: I like the plugin idea that updates on USB connect/detection.
10:17:05zethey must've done away with the auto-ghosting for some reason :/
10:17:45markunB4gder: gevaerts told me he could take a look at the USB traffic going on so we can modify the DFU util from OpenMoko
10:17:53LloreanMouser_X: I just don't see it as being worth doing if it requires the user to invoke it, or otherwise manually cause updates, because if that's the case it's no longer a Rockbox project, and should simply be a PC app.
10:18:00B4gderI'd love that
10:18:21LloreanAnd if it's to be automatic it either needs to be in the core, or there needs to be a mechanism in place to run the "update" plugin, such as that.
10:18:49markunB4gder: do you have your player already?
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10:19:37B4gderno, it wasn't in stock where I ordered it so I don't know when I'll get it
10:19:46B4gderif it takes too long I'll order it from somewhere else
10:19:54Nico_PjhMikeS: I'm not sure, don't you mean queue_send to the buffering queue?
10:19:57linuxstb_I guess it's not too late to a project along the lines of "create a library for PC-based applications to use to interface with the Rockbox database, and add sync-with-Rockbox-device support to 1 or more media players using this library".
10:20:06linuxstb_s/to a/to add a/
10:20:25Lloreanlinuxstb_: We've still got a week for applicants.
10:20:27B4gdermarkun: I'll just enjoy seeing your progress in the mean time! ;-)
10:20:40markunB4gder: don't expect anything this week (exams)
10:20:54Lloreanlinuxstb_: You might want to also suggest it to Songbird or some similar app, so they can add it as an SoC idea from their side. :-P
10:20:56jhMikeSNico_P: that both threads send synchronous messages to each other
10:23:08pixelmaB4gder: could you look into the voice file link issue (missing in the "Daily builds and voices" pacge)?
10:23:27pixelmapage too
10:23:31Nico_PjhMikeS: yo might be onto something... there's a queue_send in what that audio_flush message will cause
10:23:50B4gderpixelma: working on it right now
10:23:50Nico_Pand the queue_reply only comes after everything has been done
10:24:04pixelmaB4gder: nice, thanks :)
10:24:17Nico_PI actually don't even see the queue_reply
10:25:28Nico_PjhMikeS: in case you haven't seen it, the flush message causes audio_invalidate_tracks() > audio_fill_file_buffer() > audio_load_track > buf_request_buffer_handle > queue_send to the buffering queue
10:25:28jhMikeSNico_P: via bufgetid3 in audio_check_new_track can call queue_send to the buffer thread (through one really long string of function calls)
10:25:41Nico_Pso there are two cases :/
10:26:05Nico_Pactually the one I cited above seems more likely to happen to me
10:26:42Nico_PjhMikeS: when is the queue_reply sent?
10:27:33jhMikeSif you haven't replied explicitely already, it's done automatically when waiting on the queue again
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10:27:52Nico_Pok. I guess it should be dones right before calling audio_invalidate_tracks()
10:27:57jhMikeSdoes that need to be synchronous?
10:28:12Nico_PI'm not even sure
10:28:37Nico_Pit can probably not be...
10:28:56*Nico_P needs to go
10:29:25Nico_PI'll be back in an hour or so
10:37:24pondlifeHmm, I'm not having much luck with our USB
10:37:57pondlifeor rather, our USB storage. WinXP slowly recognises it, but can't find a driver for "Generic volume"
10:38:16pondlifeAny action in Device Manager is very very slow.
10:38:56pondlifeGuess I need to wait until gevearts arrives?
10:41:34pixelmapondlife: already tried they keybeep?
10:41:51pondlifeI can repro, and might have a fix
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10:55:47pondlifepixelma: The c200 really doesn't need keyclick anyway - the keypad (physically) clicks anyway.
10:56:58B4gderpixelma: voice links are restored!
10:57:15pixelmapondlife: yes, that's true. But I guess it's the same issue the Ipods have so if you could fix it there...
10:58:08pixelmaB4gder: nice, there was someone asking here for it this night which reminded me...
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11:07:55B4gderand now the daily source seems to work too
11:08:08B4gderI broke it when I switched to 7zip
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11:10:15amiconnImho rockbox should not support the itunes db with any on-target code
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11:11:45pixelmaB4gder: I think the idea was mentioned before but could the voice files also be provided in a zip (maybe named target-specific) in the correct file structure so that people could just unzip it to their player (like everywhere else) and don't have to do the renaming?
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11:12:33B4gderI'll work on it
11:12:48pixelmaI'll try to remember to update the manual then...
11:13:14Martin_Rpondlife: regarding the slow Windows response, can you please try my latest Patch in FS #8562?
11:13:32pondlifeMartin_R: Yes, it'll be a relief :)
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11:18:14B4gderthe zip files actually get a bit smaller too
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11:24:26B4gderpixelma: ok, voices are now provided in zip files
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11:24:40pondlifeMartin_R: Your patch helped a lot
11:24:47pixelmaB4gder: that was quick :)
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11:25:32B4gderyeah, I just fixed those other things so the scripts were more or less in my head already
11:25:41Martin_Rpondlife: To get high speed with Windows, you have to push in the USB plug slowly. Rockbox seems to need some time between connecting VBus and the data lines.
11:25:55pondlifeI'm happy with full speed for now
11:26:02pondlife1GB doesn't take long :)
11:27:27Martin_Rpondlife: Nice to hear.
11:28:30pixelmaB4gder: I imagened the voice files being in .rockbox/langs dir but they are in a build-* directory. No problem but I'd like to know what to describe...
11:28:50B4gderah right...
11:29:35B4gderyou think having the full path makes it easier?
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11:30:58pixelmaI'm not sure, just my first thought that if they could just unzip to their player it would be nice (because they know the procedure). Maybe someone else has an opinion too
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11:32:59pixelmaI guess that rbutil needs to be updated then too, once we have settled for a way
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11:33:42pondlifepixelma: I agree with you, all our zips should be consistent.
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11:35:29B4gderok, full path it is
11:35:33B4gderrebuilding the zips
11:44:51linuxstbB4gder: Are you keeping both versions (.voice and .zip) on the server?
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11:48:40solrize_if anyone cares i tested an a-data 8gb micro-sdhc card in a rockboxed sansa e260 today and it worked fine.
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11:59:59B4gderlinuxstb: no I'm switching to plain zips now but the old voices are still there
12:04:47B4gderI mean for their 30 days until removal
12:09:51linuxstbB4gder: I was just thinking it could be useful to keep both until rbutil is updated (assuming rbutil installs the .voice files).
12:13:45B4gderI don't think it downloads voices
12:14:26B4gderhm it does...
12:16:03B4gderso ok, I'll build both until rbutil is updated
12:17:01pixelmadoes rbutil do the renaming?
12:17:28XavierGrI aggree completely with amiconn on the iTunes db issue
12:17:36B4gderI just read the feature pages about it
12:17:42B4gder"# Install voice file (from the webpage)"
12:17:50pixelmaI would guess so
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12:52:25pondlifepixelma, GodEater: If you get a chance, could you try the patch I've put at ?
12:52:56pondlifeThe pcmbuf beep problem is very odd indeed, but I think the horrible noise is dead.
12:53:04pondlifeI wish I knew why!
12:53:06GodEaterpondlife: will have to wait till I get home of course....
12:53:20pondlifeOf course, no rush. This isn't production-quality stuff
12:53:32GodEateris it the key beeps ?
12:53:42GodEaterhe said, lazily not even checking the tracker entry
12:53:45pondlifeWell, yes - but it's a more basic problem than that
12:54:00pondlifeSome kind of memory caching thing in pcmbuf, I suspect
12:54:24pondlifeI need some PortalPlayer guru to look into it really
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13:02:32Nico_Pwhy doesn't rb->lcd_puts_style(x, y, string, STYLE_DEFAULT); display anything when rb->lcd_putsxy(x, y, string); did
13:04:44Nico_Pah crap
13:05:59Nico_Pnew question: can I display inverted text at a pixel xy position?
13:06:24JdGordonwell.. it should be obvious!
13:06:32JdGordonSTYLE_BLAA is not supposed to go there..
13:06:37JdGordonDRMODE_BLAA does
13:06:58JdGordongot me good when I started playing with the viewport stuff in the lists :p
13:07:20Nico_PJdGordon: I'm pretty sure the argument is STYLE_*, but I think lcd_puts_style takes char coordinates, not pixel cooredinates
13:08:24JdGordonapril fools? ... :'(
13:08:37JdGordoni must have got them confused in the other direction then
13:08:51JdGordonyou can do what you want though...
13:10:07JdGordon... aparently not...
13:10:23Nico_Peven by using lcd_set_drawmode?
13:10:33JdGordonsetup a viwport at the x,y you want and use its drawmode?
13:10:35JdGordonor that
13:10:44JdGordonwith lcd_pustyxy
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13:11:29Nico_PI'm not sure which drawmode is which though
13:12:15Nico_Pah, I guess I want SOLID and SOLID|INVERSEVID
13:13:35Nico_Pvictory \o/
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13:14:33JdGordonremember to reset it after your done...
13:14:44Nico_Pyes :)
13:14:49JdGordonor use a viewport which would be betterer
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13:20:01Nico_PI don't think I need a viewport for what I'm doing
13:31:19pondlifejhMikeS: Please could you look at some time...?
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13:50:06pixelmacomplaining here helped too :)
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14:17:32Nico_Pany ipod owners here ?
14:20:51Nico_PLinusN: I've made a small proof of concept plugin for a virtual keyboard of sorts
14:21:10Nico_Pyou use the scrollwheel to select letters
14:21:52Nico_Pthey are set in a circle, in such a way that the letter selected corresponds to where you press the wheel
14:22:49gevaertsNico_P: have you ever looked at ?
14:23:03Nico_Pno.. looking
14:23:40pixelmaNico_P: what if someone with a 1st or 2nd gen Ipod would have answered your question? ;)
14:24:06Nico_Ppixelma: haha, I would've been screwed :)
14:24:16Nico_Panyone want to try it and give me feedback?
14:24:33amiconnIt won't work on 1st..3rd Gen, and also not on mini 1st Gen
14:24:50Nico_Pamiconn: because they have no touch wheel, is that it?
14:25:21amiconnNo, because those can't read absolute wheel position
14:25:51amiconnOnly 4th gen (greyscale & colour), Mini 2nd Gen, Nano and Video can
14:25:55pondlifeDo we have a HAVE for that ability?
14:25:58Nico_PI guess it can be adapted though... absolute is not really needed but it allows faster input
14:26:11Nico_PI used HAVE_WHEEL_POSITION
14:26:15ByeongKeongevaerts: hello~ i'm ByeongKeon
14:27:23Nico_Pgevaerts: dasher looks nice :)
14:27:35gevaertsByeongKeon: hello.
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14:27:43pondlifeNico_P: Needs a pointer though, no?
14:28:04Nico_Ppondlife: yes
14:28:05pondlifeMaybe we could use their predictive text somehow..
14:28:45*petur hates predictive text
14:28:55*pondlife too, but it was an idea
14:28:57gevaertsNico_P: I'm not sure if it does. After all, they manage to use breathing-sensors as input devices...
14:28:58Nico_Pso, no voluteers to give my plugin a try?
14:29:29ByeongKeongevaerts: thank you for your comment on my application.
14:29:47gevaertsByeongKeon: I'm not sure if I (personally) am the most qualified person to comment on your proposal (although it looks interesting to me), so maybe others on the channel can pitch in
14:30:46*gevaerts looks around for people interested in document viewers
14:32:29Nico_PI just read the application
14:33:48Nico_PByeongKeon: do you own a target supported by rockbox?
14:33:56ByeongKeonNico_P: did you read my application? can i get your any comment?
14:35:47ByeongKeonNico_P: I have
14:36:10peturByeongKeon: I seriously dount you can implement that all in the time given, unless most of the code exists and you just need to port it.
14:36:49markungevaerts: your Meizu has arrived!
14:37:14markunjust need to pick it up :)
14:37:26Nico_PByeongKeon: I just read it, yes. it's interesting, but have you seen the template gevaerts linkt to?
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14:37:49gevaertsByeongKeon: I do have one (small) comment. I would move the content aware image resizing to the end, so if you get into time problems you still have a finished system (albeit without resizing)
14:37:56GodEaterdionoea: too many ;)
14:38:12gevaertsmarkun: great!
14:38:30markungevaerts: I'll try to pick it up tomorrow
14:39:00gevaertsmarkun: mail me the info for payment and similar, and I'll send you my address
14:39:13LinusNNico_P: hand it to me
14:39:28LinusNipod 5G
14:39:41Nico_PLinusN: rock or patch?
14:39:57LinusNrock, please
14:40:05ByeongKeonActually, I'd like to develop similar system, when I got my PDA first.
14:40:22Nico_PLinusN: ok, just let me build it ;)
14:40:44peturByeongKeon: have youi created similar applications before?
14:40:50LinusNNico_P: make it 30GB
14:41:02*petur goes to typing class :/
14:41:27ByeongKeonpetur: yes but, it's not exactly same.
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14:46:13ByeongKeonNico_P: yes Nico_P, I read template.
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14:47:04Bagderrnow now, git's aprils fool's joke wasn't very convincing
14:47:46Nico_PBagderr: where is it?
14:48:06dionoeaGoogle's aprils fool's joke are :)
14:48:35ByeongKeongevaerts: give me a chanc to prove it. :D
14:48:48PaulJamlinuxstb_: i was just wondering, was there any progress on the customizeable statusbar apart from your initial hack? (i haven't read all the logs since then)
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14:49:34gevaertsByeongKeon: I'm probably the mentor with least seniority of all, so you mainly have to convince the others :)
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14:50:28kakazzaHi, when booting my iPod mini into EDM with Select+Play, how can I then turn it of in that mode rather then rebooting it with Menu+Select?
14:50:55LinusNNico_P: works fine, it takes a little while to get used to the absolute positioning
14:52:12LinusNhow would you handle larger alphabets and lower-case?
14:52:36Nico_PATM I don't ;)
14:53:28Nico_Pbut I guess there could be a toggle to switch between different screens. we wouldn't want to clutter the screen
14:53:43Nico_Pselecting letters would be hard with too many
14:53:55ByeongKeongevaerts: I can implment DocumentViewer in time, because, 'content aware image resize' is already implmented.
14:54:12LinusNNico_P: yes, that's the general problem with this approach, i guess
14:55:13Nico_PLinusN: yes. three screens would probably be enough though... lowercase, uppercase and special (numbers and main special chars)
14:55:22GodEater_kakazza: you can't - you have to reboot it
14:55:36BagderrCreative's going after custom driver hackers to their hw it seems
14:55:47amiconnNico_P: Umlauts? Cyrillic? Greek? Kanji?
14:55:50Nico_PBagderr: yes, very sad
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14:56:06BagderrI wonder where that'll put our creative port guys
14:56:08Nico_Pamiconn: spoilsport :)
14:56:24LinusNi must be getting old - i think the default font size on the 5G is waaaay to small
14:56:37JdGordonon the next boat to gitmo?
14:56:37gevaertsByeongKeon: ok. Maybe you should edit your proposal to mention that.
14:56:59JdGordonLinusN: wait till you see it on the mr500...
14:57:01Bagderrand the d2 bootloader appeared!
14:57:13Bagderrnow we just need to spank shotofadds to fix the warnings ;-)
14:57:29*gevaerts points out that dasher supports umlauts, punctuation,... fine
14:57:31LinusNi think we have a too small font on the gigabeat as well
14:57:47pondlifeBagderr: Creative's April Fool joke?
14:57:58Bagderrposted 28th of march
14:58:02pondlifeAh, yes
14:58:11pondlifeThat is sad.
14:58:16Nico_Pgevaerts: I tried dasher. it's nice but takes some getting used to. also I don't think it's possible to use it without some kind of pointing device
14:58:41ByeongKeongevaerts: I'll update my apllication with more specific milestone.
14:59:49Nico_Pamiconn: I'm not even sure I want to go further into my circle keyboard idea though... it just popped in my head earlier today and I wanted to try it. I'm not convinced it's viable
15:00:19ByeongKeongevaerts: can I chat with you once more? after I update my application.
15:00:48gevaertsByeongKeon: sure. I probably have a meeting in a few minutes, but I'm online reasonably often.
15:01:10Nico_PByeongKeon: try to follow the template too, that way we'll have all the information at hand when evaluating the application
15:02:04gevaertsNico_P: I think (but it's been a wile since I looked at it) that it can work with one 'scroll-like' device and one or two buttons.
15:02:07ByeongKeonNico_P: thank you for your advice.
15:02:46markunBagderr: very interesting thread!
15:03:01*pixelma sighs
15:03:46pixelmaLinusN: do you mean the font that is now in the default theme or the built-in one?
15:03:56LinusNpixelma: the default theme
15:04:10LinusNit's ridiculously small
15:04:44amiconnBagder: Iiuc this creative problem shouldn't affect us. It seems he adapted existing driver packages (i.e. Creative's code) to run on another OS and other soundcards
15:04:52LinusNthe main menu fills barely 1/4 of the screen
15:05:01pixelmaif they just hadn't picked such a "skinny" font... I think nimbus is much more readable at the same font height (because it's boldish)
15:05:47*Nico_P prefers boldish too
15:05:54Bagderramiconn: it may be so, I didn't properly research exctly what he did
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15:05:58ByeongKeongevaerts: you are probably on meeting, see you tomorrow, i'll bring more detailed application.
15:07:03peturByeongKeon: there are more mentors around than just gevaerts...
15:07:33Nico_Pthe guy was hacking binary drivers to enable features creative had disabled for vista
15:07:36BagderrI think we're 12 mentors signed up or something
15:07:45Bagderrcan't look right now
15:07:47*gevaerts is not in his meeting yet :)
15:08:01Nico_Pthey also didn't like the fact that he was requesting donations for his work
15:08:33Bagderrdid he distribute creative's drivers then?
15:08:44Nico_Phe distributed modified versions
15:08:55Bagderrok, then I see their view of this
15:09:12gevaertsNico_P: have a look at (25MB). If that works, it can work in rockbox...
15:09:22Nico_Pso they're completely within their rights, but the fact of disabling hardware features in drivers is very disputable
15:09:23ByeongKeonpetur : sorry, I completely forget that.
15:09:39Bagderrand of course that's exactly why we've always made an effort never to distribute other's stuff in Rockbox
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15:14:59ByeongKeonBagderr: just gevaerts left some comment, so I thought, the other mentors are not interesting my application.
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15:15:55Bagderrwe want the best possible applications from all students
15:16:07Bagderrso that we can then pick the best
15:16:12Nico_PByeongKeon: we're all interested in applications, but gevaerts seems to be our chief interrogator ATM :)
15:16:23Bagderrhe's our front man
15:16:26Bagderrthe man with the bat
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15:16:52*gevaerts still doesn't understand how he got in that position
15:17:04peturBagderr: does the google page show a list of mentors oris it just in our wiki?
15:17:44Bagderrpetur: I think the list at Google's is only available to mentors
15:18:48gevaertsBagderr: from what I understand there is an application template somewhere that gets automatically shown when a students submits an application or something. Maybe our gsoc admin could copy the wiki template there
15:19:06Bagderraha only admins can see that
15:19:14*Bagderr reveals his status...
15:19:36Bagderrgevaerts: yes, but that field is so stupidly done anyway so I doubt it'll help a lot
15:20:12Bagderrbut yeah, I should put something there
15:20:12markunBagderr: according to Creative we are probably also selling a product to anyone who donates to us after downloading rockbox, don't you think?
15:20:44gevaertsmarkun: we don't give them Creative-copyrighted code
15:20:49Bagderrmarkun: well in their case the guy seems to provide Creative's code
15:20:52Bagderrwe don't
15:21:05Bagderrso I can see how he could be argued to "sell" Creative code
15:21:14LambdaCalculus37Yes, all of our code is written from scratch, correct?
15:21:38LambdaCalculus37So what's Creative so worried about?
15:21:52BagderrLambdaCalculus37: we're comparing us with the Creative driver case mentioned above
15:22:18LambdaCalculus37Bagderr: Ahh.
15:22:20peturLambdaCalculus37: the modified drivers enabled features that they didn't want enabled for certain cards
15:22:37Bagderrwell, _that_ we might be able to do too
15:22:52LambdaCalculus37petur: But if they didn't want this to happen, they should've enabled those features to begin with.
15:22:54peturfeatures in their code, I think
15:23:13LambdaCalculus37Is there anything we have that the Creative players don't?
15:23:27*LambdaCalculus37 goes through the checklist
15:23:31Bagderra lot I'd guess
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15:23:40Bagderrbut not that they would have a case about
15:23:55Bagderr"we decided not to enable doom but you guys did!"
15:24:06markunBagderr: I can understand that they don't like him to modify their drivers, but I don't see what the problem is with people donating money to that guy.
15:24:26LambdaCalculus37markun: I doubt he pockets any of that money very much.
15:24:26Bagderrmarkun: I think the big mistake was for him to distribute their stuff
15:24:37LambdaCalculus37Like us, it's probably just for bandwidth and server costs.
15:24:50Bagderrhe should've made a patch tool and distributed that
15:25:03Bagderrit would've been a lot harder for creative to argue against
15:25:21LambdaCalculus37I think that would've been a smarter way of distributing the enhancements, rather than directly touching upon the drivers.
15:25:50Bagderrof course it would also make it slightly harder for users
15:25:51LambdaCalculus37Bagderr: And yes, Creative wouldn't really have any ground to stand on if he did so.
15:26:44LambdaCalculus37Bagderr: Also, didn't we have to do a similar thing with the iriver H100/H300 firmwares?
15:26:52Bagderrwe do, yes
15:27:09LambdaCalculus37Distribute an external app that patches the firmware with the bootloader for Rockbox, which you then flash back to your device.
15:27:41*Bagderr pats us on our back - oh man we are good! ;-)
15:27:57LambdaCalculus37See, we did the smart thing!
15:28:19LambdaCalculus37Just download an app, point it to the drivers, click Patch... done!
15:28:26*JdGordon points to the mi4 collection on and thinks the halo needs polishing...
15:28:42Bagderrthey're not distributed by Rockbox...
15:29:02Bagderrand they're unaltered
15:29:05JdGordoni didnt say whos halo...
15:29:12LambdaCalculus37And never removed from the package. :)
15:29:16JdGordonits still redistrobuting their ip
15:29:25JdGordonwhich may be against their aggrements
15:30:30Bagderrbut it is on purpose hosted by me and not strictly associated with Rockbox
15:30:51markunBagderr: poor guy :)
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15:32:43BagderrI like the comparison with number of US troops killed in Iraq
15:32:50Bagderrseems very... reasonable
15:33:33plbhm so how's the progress with the d2 coming along?
15:33:58Bagderrplb: seems to be moving ahead pretty good, there's now even three D2 builds in the build table
15:34:29Bagderrbut I think shotofadds might feel a bit lonely at times
15:34:29plbthat's great...I can't wait to test it out
15:34:43plbwhy is that?
15:35:15LambdaCalculus37I think he's about the only one doing all of the dirty work.
15:35:18amiconnBagder: Yeah, with exactly 42 (!) warnings... that's for sure on purpose...
15:35:41plbah...well he's got a lot of support in the iaudiophile forums ;]
15:35:44*gevaerts expects the D2 splashcreen to say something about panic
15:35:56JdGordonbah, target specific warinngs are nothing to be scared of!
15:35:57Nico_Pwhats the deal with 42?
15:36:13peturNico_P: read a book...
15:36:25Bagderrand get the answer
15:36:27gevaertsBook ? Listen to the radio series !
15:36:28Bagderrbut not the question
15:36:42JdGordondont spoil it!
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15:37:14*Bagderr whistles
15:37:22JdGordona few more builds and ill have to upgrade my monitor again...
15:37:23Nico_Phehe now I know
15:37:29Bagderrplb: "support" is not what we need on the D2, code and skill are
15:37:32JdGordondamn wide screen 20" just doesnt cut it anymore
15:37:58*petur explains JdGordon that resolution counts, not size
15:38:02plbBagderr: well I can't help on that one ;]
15:38:05Bagderrbut shotofadds is doing great I think
15:38:29JdGordondamn 1680px width res just doesnt cut it anymore
15:38:45BagderrJdGordon: 8pt font!
15:39:11peturbah... 20" and just 1680px?
15:39:22Nico_PBagderr: what did you answer to the proposal to separate build types?
15:39:35*Nico_P has 1680 in 15"4
15:39:56*petur has 1920x1200 in 15"4
15:40:10BagderrNico_P: I don't think I answered that at all...
15:40:15*gevaerts has only 1400x1050 in that size
15:40:15Nico_Ppetur: what make is that?
15:40:20Bagderrbut yes, the build table needs something
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15:40:30peturdell latitude D820
15:41:09peturNico_P: the nice thing is that the resolution prevents you from programming after drinking too many beers :)
15:41:10Nico_PI thought that kind of resolution was only available with at least 17"
15:41:20Bagderrunfortunately, resoluion isn't everything
15:41:29BagderrI've seen so crappy dell 1920 screens
15:41:37Bagderrthat I didn't dare buying one
15:41:57peturBagderr: did you look at mine last devcon?
15:42:25Bagderrnot very closely to compare with others, no
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15:43:11BagderrI've seen two other ones that both looked a lot worse than my current 1680x1050 15.4"
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15:43:38Nico_PBagderr: you have an asus F3Jm, don't you?
15:43:43BagderrI do, yes
15:43:50Nico_Psame as mine :)
15:44:24Nico_Pthe screen is really nice but it does weird things somtimes
15:44:34Bagderrit does? like what?
15:46:48Nico_PI get some artifacts... white pixels on a black bg produce a red outline and some pixels in white areas become cyan
15:46:53Nico_Pit comes and goes
15:47:04BagderrI have nothing of that
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15:47:37Nico_Pyeah I didn't find much about it in my research, I'm probably just unlucky ;)
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15:50:27LinusNmy f3j suffers from (the apparently common) broken headphone detection :-(
15:50:56Nico_Pah I got that one too. sending it for repair went fine
15:51:06LinusNwill send it in soon myself
15:52:41BagderrI don't think I ever tried that ;-)
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15:59:26Spexguys u are the best :D
15:59:39Spexyour firmware is fuqqin awsome
15:59:41Spexthx alot
16:03:02Bagderryou're welcome!
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16:09:23BagderrI wonder if we perhaps can come up with a build table concept that hides the zero-builds for the typical use-case
16:09:47Bagderrsince as long as they're zero, very few people wants to investigate them clsoer
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16:11:00pixelmaI sometimes look for the build server info there if there is something odd in the delta table
16:11:37Bagderrit'd still be available but perhaps a click away or something
16:11:50Bagderrjust thinking out loud
16:12:14BagderrI'm not sure splitting the table in more than one is the best idea
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16:13:13Bagderrmarkun: aha
16:13:57markunBagderr: although I have no idea which nand util he is talking about
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16:41:02toffe82low_light: did you receive your gogear sa 9200 ?
16:41:07low_lighttoffe82: hi. got my gogear sa9200.
16:41:28low_lightI documented the recovery and service modes in the wiki
16:41:38toffe82did you try to do something with it ?
16:42:24low_lightNot yet. I was going to see if the e200tool works on it
16:42:28markunlow_light: how did you find them?
16:43:36low_lightthere was a google video toffe82 found that gave the clue
16:43:41toffe82to update, you don't need the udater from philips, you just have to copy the file in the system folder
16:44:30toffe82the recovery works ? I couldn't make it works ???
16:45:07toffe8215 seconds ;) perhaps I didn't wait enough
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16:45:41low_lightyeah. the player seems to go into a suspend mode if you don't hold it long enough
16:46:00*LambdaCalculus37 goes to look at the GoGearSA9200 wiki page
16:46:19sneezehas rockbox had many sumemr of code applications yet?
16:46:35scorche|shsure :)
16:46:53toffe82low_light: so you think you can get a copy of the bootloader ?
16:47:19toffe82markun: did you receive the connectros ?
16:47:36toffe82connectors ^^
16:47:44scorche|shtoffe82: i did...thanks :)
16:47:50markuntoffe82: no, not yet
16:48:00scorche|shi found it amusing how "TOP" is actually the bottom though...
16:48:12*gevaerts got them this morning, but didn't look closely at them yet
16:48:24gevaertssneeze: are you interested in a project ?
16:48:31toffe82scorche|sh: ??
16:48:35sneezegevaerts: yeah, i have one in mind
16:48:54sneezei don't think it's enough for a summer project though
16:48:57low_lighttoffe82: my hope is that e200tool can.
16:48:59scorche|shtoffe82: well, the lettering of TOP is face down
16:49:07LambdaCalculus37sneeze: Well, pull up a chair and have a cup of coffee, and tell us. :)
16:49:10scorche|shone would think otherwise, but /shrug
16:49:14*LambdaCalculus37 gives sneeze a cup of coffee
16:49:22markunsneeze: what would you like to work on?
16:49:23sneezeWell alright
16:49:27*gevaerts goes to get a cup of coffee as well
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16:49:50sneezeI want to make a database editor of sorts, that lets you manage your songs right on the ipod
16:49:57TheCompWizanyone know what causes the sansa to reboot when usb is plugged in?
16:50:01sneezeas far as renaming/deletion and moving things around
16:50:01dionoeaHas a "coffee over IRC" rfc been published?
16:50:22GodEaterTheCompWiz: it's intentional
16:50:49markunsneeze: changing the tags by moving the songs around in the database?
16:50:51TheCompWizbut devices *are* found in windows... (finds both the player & sd card) ...
16:50:59markunor moving file around in the filesystem?
16:51:00TheCompWizright before it reboots anyway.
16:51:18sneezemarkun: i mean editing the tags basically
16:51:52LambdaCalculus37dionoea: How about writing a coffee brewing plugin for Rockbox? :)
16:51:54markunI think tag editing could be enough for the summer
16:52:10dionoeaLambdaCalculus37: Does that require a hardware mod ? :)
16:52:11LambdaCalculus37Just pick your preferred brew from a menu, then sit back and let it brew!
16:52:22TheCompWizGodEater: any way to prevent a reboot?
16:52:26gevaertsTheCompWiz: they devices you see just before rebooting are not functional
16:52:36sneezemarkun: awesome
16:52:44TheCompWizhow 'bout listening to music while charging?
16:52:45markunsneeze: but I'm not a mentor this year :)
16:52:49GodEaterTheCompWiz: hold menu whilst plugging in
16:53:07sneezemarkun: no worries man, i'm going to start on my application today
16:53:08TheCompWizGodEater: tried that one... worked on previous builds... dosn't anymore.
16:53:08dionoeaBagderr: that wouldn't work over IRC though :/
16:53:09markunso it depends on what others think of it. Write a nice proposal if you are serious about it.
16:53:17Bagderrdionoea: true, it needs some refinement
16:53:26markunsneeze: ok, good luck
16:53:31sneezethanks :)
16:53:37dionoeaOr maybe they have a hyper text on IRC spec somewhere
16:54:23sneezemarkun: out of curiosity, when you were a mentor, what was the ratio of applications received vs. applications accepted?
16:54:26sneezeif you had to guess
16:54:27gevaertssneeze: in case you didn't see it yet, please follow the template we put at .
16:54:35low_lightCould someone make an e200tool build changing the vendor and product id's to 0x471 and 0x14f
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16:54:59Bagderrsneeze: last year we got 20 applications and got 4 slots assigned
16:55:26markun_sneeze: nice webclient at!
16:55:31gevaertsTheCompWiz: what exact version are you using ?
16:55:36sneezeno doubt :)
16:55:48TheCompWize250 the "current build" as of today.
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16:56:33GodEaterTheCompWiz: I've just tried it on my c240 - it appears "Select" is the thing to hold on that
16:56:39GodEatercan't speak for the e200 series though
16:57:20TheCompWizjust tried it 3 more times... still no go.
16:57:50LambdaCalculus37TheCompWiz: Maybe a Sansa e200 owner could tell you the exact button.
16:58:02*LambdaCalculus37 has a c240; no e200 devices
16:58:19TheCompWizLambdaCalculus37: it used to be the menu button... which did work in the past... but dosn't now.
16:58:25gevaertsTheCompWiz: LambdaCalculus37 he said that it works on previous versions, so I assume he knows...
16:58:45TheCompWizit got moved to the select button :( not the menu button.
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16:58:52TheCompWizfound it at least.
16:58:56Spexguys i have a divied by zero error
16:59:03Spexand cant turn off my sansa e200
16:59:13Spexwhat can i do?
16:59:19TheCompWizpush & hold the power button for about 30-sec
16:59:24TheCompWizit will turn off.
16:59:29Spexwoot 30 sec?
16:59:41LambdaCalculus3730 seconds.
16:59:45Spexlol nice
16:59:47Spexit worked
16:59:54markunthat was fast
16:59:55sneezeDoes anyone else have any feedback on my tag editor idea?
16:59:55Spexthx alot
17:00:13Spexguys is there a bmp viewer or smth
17:00:15LambdaCalculus37Spec: Less on the shorthand and more regular English, please.
17:00:30*LambdaCalculus37 points to the IRC guidelines:
17:00:57markunsneeze: tag writing in general would be nice. Also for a replaygain plugin for example.
17:01:07LambdaCalculus37Spex: There's Rockpaint, which can (sort of) function as a bitmap viewer.
17:01:09*TheCompWiz hates l337 sp33k... plz 2 lurn 2 spek teh english. kthxbye.
17:01:31Spexya but when i try to open a bmp file with a plugin i dont see the rockpaint plugin
17:01:47LambdaCalculus37Spex: What device are you using?
17:02:00TheCompWiz(10:59:03 AM) Spex: and cant turn off my sansa e200
17:02:17Spexi already turned off
17:02:26Spexthx it worked
17:02:56Spexah well
17:03:00LambdaCalculus37Spex: Righty right then. Hold SELECT to go into the context menu, and Select Open With... > rockpaint.
17:03:11Spexya found it
17:03:20Spexwow u have all players infront of u?
17:03:32*TheCompWiz hates l337 sp33k... plz 2 lurn 2 spek teh english. kthxbye.
17:03:36*gevaerts reminds Spex of the Y, O, and U keys
17:03:50LambdaCalculus37Spex: Is your keyboard busted?
17:04:06Spexups sorry guys
17:04:14LambdaCalculus37And no, I only have five supported players, three of which are iPods.
17:04:16Spexi'll use "you" now
17:04:16TheCompWizoops is spelled with 2 o's
17:04:56Spexit's in me sometimes i do write "u" in english exams :D
17:05:06Spex1337 for live ^^
17:05:09LambdaCalculus37Just because I do help desk doesn't always mean that my mantra is "I read the manuals so you don't have to". ;)
17:05:32LambdaCalculus37Spex: Well, we don't allow shorthand English or 1337-sp33k here.
17:05:41TheCompWizdang LambdaCalculus37... how am I going to continue to be lazy? what the heck man!
17:05:57Spexya ok i understood
17:06:07LambdaCalculus37Some of our visitors are either visually impaired or don't speak English natively, and use screen translators to read the site and channels.
17:06:10TheCompWizreading manuals??? isn't that supposed to be the last-resort?
17:06:12Spexor is "ya" also shorthanded?
17:06:17scorche|shit is
17:06:17LambdaCalculus37So please show them a little respect.
17:06:45LambdaCalculus37TheCompWiz: We tell people to. We're not robots running 24/7 tech support here.
17:07:05Spexi show them alot of respect. they made me a better live
17:07:06TheCompWizyou're not? ... so much for my oil-can Christmas present
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17:07:30Spexthis rockbox is really great stuff
17:07:59Spexi was very frusttrated because my sansa e200 only sorts music by its id3-tags
17:08:15Spexi was looking for a patch that sorts by folders
17:08:21*TheCompWiz thinks the sarcasm isn't quite thick enough yet.
17:08:33*LambdaCalculus37 cuts the sarcasm with a knife
17:08:42Spexand now i have a fully new firmware that supports so much more
17:08:44LambdaCalculus37Spex: Have a look at our lovely manual:
17:08:48Spexand also little games
17:08:51LambdaCalculus37Many of the answers are in it!
17:09:08LambdaCalculus37And it's made from a space-age polymer plastic for years of enjoyment! :)
17:09:08Spexi have no answer :D
17:09:17TheCompWizAnyone know if there's a user interface for making the play lists? (outside of the internal one)
17:09:43Spex*i have no question
17:09:43LambdaCalculus37TheCompWiz: Yeah, a standard text editor.
17:09:55LambdaCalculus37The playlists are M3U formatted.
17:10:08Spex!me thanks all rockbox developers
17:10:09LambdaCalculus37Just make sure all of the paths in the playlists are correct!
17:10:32LambdaCalculus37Spex: Off-topic, but IRC commands are /command.
17:10:50Spexuhm long time i used it
17:11:07*LambdaCalculus37 gets back on topic
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17:11:12Spexright the "!" is for like status page or smth
17:11:17markunLambdaCalculus37: beer?
17:11:21*Spex thanks for all :D
17:11:26LambdaCalculus37markun: Beer!
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17:18:32langhaarrockerSince quite a while there's a 'new' recording trigger feature Trigtype. Is there a reason why the options haven't been combined with the options of the "Trigger" settings?
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17:40:44pondlifeBagder: Why not split the build table. Users generally only care about the target build, but devs need to know they didn't break any bootloaders or sims.. 3 tables would work for me.
17:41:45markunpondlife: do users care about the build table?
17:42:09pondlifeProbably not, but Bagder's earlier comment...
17:42:12*pondlife hunts
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17:43:27pondlifeAh, I misread "user-..." not "use-case".
17:43:57pondlifeI like the idea of green, rather than just hiding the good builds in some way.
17:47:16pixelmathe color of hope? :)
17:47:40LambdaCalculus37pixelma: The color of a happy planet? :)
17:49:05gevaertsThe color of poison ? :)
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17:52:40Rincewindgevaerts: I read in the logs that we have a couple more theme editor gsoc apps now.
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17:52:55Rincewindwhat do you think, do I have to fear them?
17:53:07tweakismIs there a real USB stack for rockbox, perhaps in SVN or something?
17:53:18scorche| is fake
17:53:23GodEaterit's all pretend
17:53:23tweakismman that sucks.
17:53:34scorche|shan illusion of the mind even
17:53:40GodEatera hallucination
17:53:43LambdaCalculus37It never existed.
17:53:55tweakism... are you being sarcastic?
17:54:02gevaertstweakism: there is a work in progress
17:54:21tweakismgevaerts: is it possible to load MP3s using the current existing USB functionality, perhaps in SVN?
17:55:05GodEatertweakism: yes it is
17:55:10GodEatertweakism: but it's very slow
17:55:15tweakismI see.
17:55:28tweakismWell no great loss. I should buy a microSD SDHC card anyway
17:55:29pixelmatweakism: what player are you talking about, by the way?
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17:55:43tweakismsansa c240, it looks like the USB stuff may not be implemented at all for it anyway.
17:55:55LambdaCalculus37tweakism: Give it time; it needs polish.
17:56:02tweakismyeah I can wait.
17:56:05tweakismI just thought perhaps..
17:56:40gevaertsRincewind: of course you have to fear them :) I don't really like to compare applications right now though
17:57:09gevaertstweakism: have a look at for current status information
17:57:20tweakismgevaerts: thank you.
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17:58:07Rincewindok, then I just wait and see. I can't change anything now anyway. Stupid deadline extension :(
18:00:11gevaertsRincewind: If you want to make some changes, I guess a comment from one of the mentors should do the trick. And if it's any consolation, all current theme editor proposals were submitted before the original deadline
18:01:50Rincewindgevaerts: yes, but now the other's have time to polish their applications. I don't have much time because I have a very important exam this friday. And then vacation.
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18:06:00Rincewindwell. I stop complaining now. Competition makes it interesting :)
18:07:17gevaerts:) I do understand your feelings though...
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18:09:39*scorche|sh wonders when Lenovo will roll out the new version of their ultraportable
18:09:48scorche|shoh whoops...wrong channel
18:10:26*Rincewind likes the X300 too, except the price
18:10:42scorche|shhush and move to the other channel =/
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18:15:46tweakismwell thanks for your help guys
18:15:53tweakismmucho gracias
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18:20:50markuntoffe82: got the connectors! thanks
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18:21:47toffe82markun: don't forget, do not plug them without modify them
18:22:36scorche|shtoffe82: i need to order the other ends of the cable, so it will be a little bit before i actually use them
18:23:12ChristopherWI have some WPS files that used to work a few days ago (build r16873 or earlier) but now some of the images don't display (progress bar, background, etc.). Did something change recently with the loading/displaying of bitmaps in the WPS?
18:26:12pixelmayes, the WPS parser got a little stricter again, check for syntax errors like missing closing | . Actually such a "broken" WPS shouldn't show up but it still does but not the things which are wrong (and in my experience the backdrop was missing too)
18:27:22toffe82scorche|sh: what are you building ?
18:27:24ChristopherWI looked at the .wps file and it seems to be correct, eg, it uses "%X|backdrop.bmp|", just as the manual says
18:28:01ChristopherWmaybe the BMP loader doesn't load 24 bpp images anymore?
18:28:06pixelmaChristopherW: and the other bitmaps? Maybe you could pastebin the code...
18:28:14pixelmait does
18:28:58ChristopherWI'm using the iPod_sansa theme from rockbox-themes
18:29:13ChristopherWI fixed up a few things in it, though
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18:31:45pixelmaI would take a quick look if I could read it in a pastebin but I'm not willing to download a theme for a player I don't have
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18:32:11ChristopherWI'm pastebinning it right now. It's only on my player so I had to get it first :)
18:32:43ChristopherWok, here it is:
18:32:43scorche|shtoffe82: just a line out dock
18:32:50scorche|shfor now at least
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18:34:01ChristopherWThe backdrop should be loaded on line 46, and the progress bar image should be loaded/displayed on lines 39 and 41, but none of the images actually display
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18:34:55ChristopherWI did check to make sure those image files still existed in the right directory too, and I can open them with Rockpaint with no problem.
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18:36:43pixelmahmm... can't find something obvious
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18:38:34pixelmaChristopherW: do you have a simulator you could check with?
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18:39:22ChristopherWI have a simulator, let me find it
18:40:07pixelmashould be as up-to-date as the build is you're using
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18:42:30handmademattersHmm, Are only that images not showing up you load in the middle of the code (pbBar, backdrop) or isnt appearing any image
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18:43:37ChristopherWsome of the images appear, such as the play/pause indicator, volume indicator, etc.
18:43:57ChristopherWbasically I think all of the pre-loaded images (%xl and %xd) show up
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18:44:04handmademattersThen try to define the images which arent showing up also in the top section...
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18:47:22pixelmaChristopherW, handmadematters: I don't think that will make a difference. My only guess now was that one of the bitmap names wasn't right (because I couldn't spot something in the syntax), but you said you already checked that
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18:48:41ChristopherWI'm going to have to come back once I get the simulator working properly in Linux (it doesn't see any files in the file browser, for one thing)
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18:49:47domonokyChristopherW: do you have copied any files int to the virtual root dir of the sim ?
18:50:47ChristopherWI don't know where the files are supposed to go in my "real" file system
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18:52:26ChristopherWwhere does the simulator look for its files?
18:52:28amiconnhi DerPapst
18:52:34domonokyin the dir where you run the sim, there should be an dir named "archos" (is it still archos ?) this is the virtual root of the simulated player
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18:52:42amiconnDerPapst: Do you have results from your other 3rd Gen?
18:53:19ChristopherWthere is a directory called "archos" with a ".rockbox" directory that is filled with other files already
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18:53:31ChristopherWbut they don't show up in the sim
18:53:57domonokythe .rockbox dir is hidden in rockbox, unless you change the file view to "all"
18:54:17ChristopherWohhhh.... I guess I forgot about that setting
18:54:23pixelmabluebrother, domonoky: if you have some time... the way voice files are now offered has changed today (they will be in a zip with the correct file structure so that people just need to unzip them). Could you take a look into changing rbutil accordingly? The plain files are still there so that it won't break any rbutil functionality as of yet but would be nice...
18:55:11domonokypixelma: thanks for noting, i will take a loog when i find time for it..
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18:55:49DerPapstamiconn: not yet. i'll try to test something today but i can't promise. have to prepare lots of stuff for tomorrow. If i can't test it today anymore i will do it tomorrow.
18:56:03pixelmadomonoky: thanks, I wanted to change the description in the manual but I am busy with the iCatcher changes at the moment
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18:57:17ChristopherWI put the wps file and directory under the sim's .rockbox/wps directory, then I tried to play a song so I can see the WPS, but the simulator crashed when I did that
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18:58:40ChristopherWI really need to compile the simulator natively for Linux instead of using Wine on the Window$ version.
18:59:31domonokyChristopherW: its probably a problem with the sim accessing the soundcard, its known to segfault, if soundcard access fails
18:59:50ChristopherWthat's probably the problem
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19:02:11*DerPapst charges his 2nd 3G for some test later... still need to figure out why the test plugin doesn't want to compile
19:02:43Nico_PChristopherW: you can also try with checkwps
19:02:49Nico_Pit's easier to compile
19:02:49bertrikit doesn't compile you mean?
19:03:15ChristopherWok, I tested it in the simulator (build r16908), and the WPS doesn't show the backdrop either.
19:03:44ChristopherWI can see the WPS just before the simulator dies
19:04:15bertrikDerPapst: I won't mind helping a bit
19:05:26pixelmaChristopherW: I think it's not even need to play music in the sim - if you load the WPS you can see what the WPS parser does (and complains about) in the console
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19:05:59Nico_PChristopherW: look at the messages that get printed in the sim... is there an error message somewhere?
19:06:29ChristopherWthere are a lot of messages about "We open the real file ..." and so on, so I have to filter through all that
19:07:10DerPapstbertrik: well i enabled the test_scanrate plugin in apps/plugins/SOURCES and it just doesn't get compiled.
19:07:20gevaertsbertrik: you were right about this usb document describing what windows does (i.e. it is correct). I do still maintain though that although it is within spec, this behaviour is insane
19:07:44DerPapstbertrik: i put it right below mazzeam.c (or whatever it is spelled)
19:07:53*gevaerts sometimes has strong opinions
19:08:02Nico_PChristopherW: that's whay I was suggesting checkwps too, it's focused on the WOS
19:08:14*bertrik agrees on the window USB behaviour being insane
19:08:19ChristopherWI'm getting checkwps right now
19:08:25bertrikDerPapst: I'll try it out here too
19:08:58Nico_PChristopherW: it's in tools/checkwps
19:09:23ChristopherWoh, it might be a good idea for me to get the whole source code, right?
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19:10:17*pixelma would have thought there is already something useful in the sim output
19:10:54ChristopherWwell, I didn't see any lines mentioning "We open the real file 'archos/.rockbox/wps/iPod_Sansa/brushed.bmp'"
19:11:09ChristopherWI saw every other BMP file mentioned though
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19:11:53bertrikDerPapst: it does get compiled on my system (v16913) if i put it below mazezam.c, I'll see if it's actually accessible on the player. I have a sansa e200 BTW
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19:12:01ChristopherWand apparently it's missing the file "vbr.bmp", but that shouldn't make the backdrop not work.
19:12:32Nico_PChristopherW: actually that's considered a WPS error
19:13:01DerPapstbertrik: test_scanrate only works on bitmap grayscale and mono tartets
19:13:14ChristopherWso would that make the backdrop and progress bar fail to load?
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19:13:26DerPapstbut that it gets processed make is test and prove enough already.
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19:13:28pixelmaChristopherW: what about the "pbar.bmp"? And as I said earlier - if it can't find one bmp, the WPS should be completely rejected. Currently that's not working correctly and I saw the same effect that the backdrop will be missing in this case
19:13:56ChristopherWso the WPS parser now stops on the first file it can't find?
19:13:57pixelmait could, yes
19:14:14*Nico_P goes to see if he can fix what pixelma said
19:14:55Nico_Palso, it seems checkwps is currently not very useful for scanning the wps files in wps/
19:15:04ChristopherWok, I ran the checkwps.e200 program and it also says that the vbr.bmp file is missing
19:15:12pixelmaNico_P: I told linuxstb_ yesterday and he said someone already told him and he was putting it on his todo list
19:15:36pixelmabut if you get around doing it first... :)
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19:16:10Nico_PChristopherW: then you should think of correcting that :)
19:16:11ChristopherWThat checkwps tool is really useful! It's good to use on WPS themes that I develop (and to fix others' themes)
19:17:41ChristopherWI already had to fix a few broken tags in the iPod_Sansa WPS. It seems the author didn't test it before he uploaded it to rockbox-themes, just as he didn't test other themes either :/
19:17:46*gevaerts thinks that this might be an intended feature of checkwps :)
19:17:56bertrikhmm, framerate in the test_fps plugin on my sansa is a little higher than it used to be :P
19:18:24ChristopherWwhere is the test_fps plugin?
19:18:25pixelmaChristopherW: the WPS parser got stricter by time. Probably the theme was working when it was created.
19:19:21domonokyChristopherW: test plugins are not compiled by default, you have to add it to the correct SOURCES file
19:19:22ChristopherWwell, there were a few letters that were not preceded with "%" but were supposed to, so the WPS ended up showing "m b y" or something like that
19:19:36ChristopherW... instead of the current date
19:20:13domonokyChristopherW: thats because the WPS tag for the date has changed over time :-)
19:20:14pixelmathe tags for clock formatting also changed
19:20:26ChristopherWoh really?
19:20:32ChristopherWthat is very interesting
19:22:05ChristopherWthe original had the text "%ca e b Yc". Was that a valid date tag?
19:22:05woosterI'm new to RockBox, I recently put it on my Sansa c260 and love it. You all have done an amazing job. I have a retail question that I hope isn't out of line...
19:22:08woosterI would like to get a sansa "e2xx" model for the larger screen, but I notice that there are two flavors and RockBox only works on the ver. 1 (firmware 1.xx, not firmware 3.xx) flavor. has refurb Sansa e2xx models but they say "supports audible file format" in the description, which is one of the disqualifying identifiers for Rockbox. Also I note that Rockbox lists $40-70 dollars for price range on these E series players and I can't find one that price
19:22:41BigBambiwooster: Audible doesn't have to mean v2
19:22:51woosterOh, ok that's good to know.
19:22:57BigBambiSome people have received a v1 whilst it says audible support on the box
19:23:17woosterinteresting.. here's what the page says btw : "Compatibility: This e260 supports MP3, WMA and Audible formats with up to 20 hours of battery life.
19:23:20BigBambiHaving said that, I think the chances are it will be a v2 with audible advertising, it just isn't quite 100%
19:23:32woosterBigBambi, thanks.
19:23:40ChristopherWlikewise, sometimes the player says "e280r" and "Rhapsody" on the back, but it's not really a Rhapsody model.
19:23:56woosterI have to say I just recently bought my c260 at refurb and was lucky that by chance it was ver1
19:24:00BigBambiwooster: I suspect that probably is v2, but it is next to pimpossible to say without knowing the firmware version
19:24:25ChristopherWI nearly pulled my hair out trying to put the e200r version of Rockbox on my non-Rhapsody Sansa!
19:24:27woosterBigBambi, yeah that's kidna what I figured.. I called them and the salespeople didn't know the firmwar I figured
19:24:36BigBambis/pimpossible/impossible :)
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19:24:42wooster hah :>
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19:25:12woosterso I'm kinda out of luck, maybe I should go for a different player altogether. but I like several things about the sansas with rockbox (recording, nice color screen for video, etc)
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19:25:49BigBambiwooster: The $40 - $70 dollars will be from places like woot, or bigpockets
19:25:50advcomp2019wooster, most refurbs i have heard are v1s so fars
19:26:05woosterwoot or bigpockets, ok thanks, never heard of them but will look, thanks bambi
19:26:09BigBambiYeah, refurbs have so far tended to be v1, but again it is largely luck
19:26:12woosterand advcomp2019, thanks for htat info
19:26:14BigBambiwooster: Where are you?
19:26:15ChristopherWMy dad would also like to put Rockbox on his Sansa e280 (he wanted me to be a guinea pig first :P), but his might actually be a Rhapsody model
19:26:19woosterBigB in NYC
19:26:33BigBambiwooster: Woot is a US site, bigpockets is UK
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19:26:41woosterbigB thanks
19:26:53BigBambiwoot periodically has them (it is the one that has a different thing everyday), so it is pot luck
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19:27:19woosterOkay thanks BigB
19:27:21BigBambiChristopherW: Rhapsody is not a problem :)
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19:27:55BigBambipixelma: Hmmm, less successful this time :(
19:28:29woosterOkay well maybe I'll roll the dice on a refurb being v.1 from, but may wait and look at woot for a while too
19:28:29advcomp2019ChristopherW, i have an e280R and i have rockbox on it
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19:28:44woosterI do want to commend all of you for the increidlbe product ROckbox
19:28:44*pixelma tries complaining in here... what's up with the forums lately?
19:29:04ChristopherWwell it's good to know that Rhapsody is not a problem
19:29:06BigBambipixelma: Dunno. They've gone back to being hella unreliable after being better for a bit
19:29:09woosterI was incredibly frustrated about my c260 which is why I put RockBox on it.. and it transformed it into really a joy to use
19:29:11BigBambiwooster: :) Cheers
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19:29:18woosterso you folks are amazing
19:29:21ChristopherWadvcomp2019: is yours really a Rhapsody model?
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19:29:39pixelmawhoa... wooster: where did you get a c260 from? ;)
19:29:51*LambdaCalculus37 wants to see this c260 ;)
19:29:55woosterpixel.. refurb from :> verycheap!
19:30:29ChristopherWRockbox doesn't work at all on the Sansa clip, right?
19:30:30advcomp2019ChristopherW, yea because i bought it new about one year ago from best buy and it has sansa firmware v1.02.165
19:30:37BigBambiChristopherW: Nope
19:30:41BigBambi(not yet)
19:30:42pixelmaa c260 would have 4GB internal memory according to Sandisk's logic?
19:30:56BigBambihaha - Sandisk's logic :)
19:31:00woosterpixel, it's 2 Gb and an SD slot
19:31:07BigBambic250 then, no?
19:31:10woosterI think it's 260, I forget the exact model
19:31:15ChristopherWwell that's too bad, 'cuz I told my mom she could put Rockbox on it (I thought it was a c200 series at first)
19:31:21*domonoky has now changed rbutil so it loads and installs the new voice.zips, but i found the download cache of rbutil broken..*goes investigating*
19:31:25woosteryes, sorry 250, I've bene looking at other models and got mixed up. Very sorry
19:31:29LambdaCalculus37wooster: The only 260 SanDisk made was an *e*260.
19:31:31*BigBambi thinks the 2GB is c250, and 1GB is c240
19:31:33ChristopherWsorry about the "'cuz", I meant "because"
19:31:42LambdaCalculus37BigBambi: You win a cookie! :)
19:31:48BigBambiwooster: Not a problem, I suspect some people were hoping to get one :)
19:31:50woostermy apologies, it's not written anywhere I can find it on the payer
19:31:51*LambdaCalculus37 gives BigBambi a cookie
19:31:52pixelmano beer?
19:32:03woosterplayer that is... so it was from my poor memory
19:32:08*LambdaCalculus37 sees if there's beer in the IRC fridge
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19:32:31woosterokay I think I'll order the E version refurb.
19:32:33*BigBambi scratches an image of deity of choice onto the cookie, flogs it to some idiot on ebay, and buys sweet sweet beer with the proceeds
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19:32:49woosterI could drop by and tell you if it's the right version or not if you wish
19:32:58BigBambiwooster: Sure, might help others
19:33:07woosterokay, thanks folks, you've been most helpful
19:33:11BigBambino probs
19:33:19woosterand Rockbox is really incredible so keep up the good work.
19:33:25woosterAnd nice April Fool's joke too re gaming :>
19:34:17BigBambiheh, I didn't notice the topic
19:34:42woosterthanks again for this current help and for the software goodness..
19:34:46ChristopherWRockbox *is* a nice gaming system, so I think you all should remove the silly audio capabilities!
19:35:10ChristopherWexcept for the sound in Doom, of course
19:35:17woosterhaha ;>
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19:35:50Nico_Ppixelma: done
19:35:59ChristopherWI almost have to squint to play Doom on the Sansa
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19:37:56pixelmaNico_P: rather tell linuxstb_ so he can remove it from his list
19:38:19Nico_PI will
19:39:59ChristopherWok, I commented out the line that preloads the non-existent vbr.bmp file, and the WPS works now!
19:41:03LambdaCalculus37ChristopherW: So do you want SNES, N64, Nintendo DS, and PSP emulation all at full speed with no frame skips for Rockbox as well? :-P
19:41:28ChristopherWyes, especially N64 on a small 32-bit system!
19:41:56*amiconn has no idea as to how powerful a cpu the mentioned game consoles have
19:41:59ChristopherWIt should be possible, right? After all, the spinning cube demo looks really smooth!
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19:42:45ChristopherWN64 has a MIPS 64-Bit RISC CPU (customized R4000 series) at 93.75 MHz
19:43:15ChristopherWso it's probably difficult to emulate on a 32-bit ARM running at 80 MHz
19:43:24ChristopherW(at full speed, I mean)
19:43:32amiconnHeh, indeed
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19:44:10ChristopherWplus there's the higher-res graphics to emulate on a 220x176 screen
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19:44:18amiconnIt already struggles when emulating a Z80 (+graphics, of course), i.e. ZXbox, Rockboy
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19:44:43LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Pac-Man also used a Z80, so don't forget Pacbox. :)
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19:45:19ChristopherWwould it be possible to run a *nix shell in Rockbox, along with the standard utilities?
19:45:35ChristopherWmaybe even have X run on it?
19:45:43LambdaCalculus37ChristopherW: You're nuts. :P
19:45:55ChristopherWI am nuts, but that doesn't answer the question!
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19:46:35rasherYou get two answers, equally valid: a) Anything's possible provided someone codes it. b) No.
19:46:48pixelmamaybe you can make an "X" run (maybe in a movie) =)
19:47:02Horschtyes, finaly
19:47:06PaulJamNico_P: i guess you can close FS #8828 now.
19:47:17Horschtget that pesky audio feature out of there
19:47:56Nico_PPaulJam: done, thanks :)
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19:48:34ChristopherWit looks like FS #8828 involves what I just had to deal with (a WPS with a missing image file)
19:48:54Nico_PChristopherW: I just closed it as fixed :)
19:49:49kugelNico_P: Nice commit :P
19:49:50ChristopherWdoes it mean that, in a newer build, the WPS will completely fail to load (instead of partially)?
19:50:29kugelNo, really. the hard-coded wps is really helpful imo
19:51:13Nico_PChristopherW: yes
19:51:29ChristopherWdoes Rockbox write to a log file if the WPS fails, indicating why it fails?
19:51:51ChristopherWor rather, would it be practical to make Rockbox do so?
19:51:52Nico_PChristopherW: no, you have to use checkwps or the sim to get more info
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19:52:29kugelIs checkwps included in rbutil?
19:52:48kugelIf not, it would probably a good idea to include it
19:52:52markuntoffe82: did you already use your gigabeat connectors for something?
19:53:05amiconnDerPapst: Should I provide a build including test_scanrate?
19:53:14toffe82markun: not yet
19:53:28domonokykugel: not till now.. maybe there will be a WPS / Theme editor for gsoc.. then this will have the checkwpsfor sure
19:54:18toffe82markun: did you see a problem with tem ?
19:54:52markunno, besides crashing my player while checking if the connector fits
19:55:12markunI hope there was no permanent damage
19:55:28toffe82I told you ;)
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20:02:25markuntoffe82: I noticed your warning *after* I tried it :)
20:03:23domonokypixelma: now rbutil in SVN uses the new voice zip files..
20:04:35*bluebrother has a fix for the filename casing issue upon bootloader installation
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20:05:01pixelmathanks :) Hope I get the rest of iCatcher transformation done (one set to go) to make the necessary changes to the manual sometime later today
20:05:28domonokybluebrother: also the download cache was broken, but i fixed it :-)
20:06:25DerPapstamiconn: the rock would be cool
20:08:41XavierGrpixelma: by the way thanks for modifying iCatcher, Genre9mp3 will be gratefull that you did all the hard work, unfortunately the army hasn't left him any rockbox time at all.
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20:10:45markunXavierGr: how long does he have to stay there?
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20:11:20pixelmaXavierGr: thanks for cheering me up (needed a bit of motivation). I benefit from it too... the less files to transfer during a build installation the better, you know how long it takes on the Ondio ;)
20:11:20XavierGrI think 4-6 months left
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20:11:51XavierGrpixelma: indeed, you reminded me how slow an update is on Ondio.
20:12:01XavierGr(that's why most of the times I delete the wps folder on updates)
20:12:54pixelmahope he doesn't mind my small changes with the update
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20:13:59XavierGrpixelma: I seriously doubt that he will have a problem about it :)
20:14:06XavierGron the contrary
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20:45:54preglowpixelma: i can't see any new comments on the mod player patch page yet :>
20:48:29LambdaCalculus37preglow: Which MOD patch? Is it still FS #8680?
20:49:17pixelmathe infinite looping was mentioned by someone else and I noticed that I didn't use the very latest version (and on friday eveneing when I said that I got distracted by having to fix the manuals.. etc. etc.) :)
20:49:39preglowLambdaCalculus37: yes, the only one working as a real codec
20:49:50preglowthe mikmod one still has a long way to go
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20:51:01LambdaCalculus37preglow: Can you look at FS #8595 for me?
20:51:18LambdaCalculus37I wanted to get an opinion about my patch.
20:51:43pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: btw. I'd welcome comments _and_ ideas on FS #8824 ;)
20:52:24LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Sure, I'll patch with it tonight and compile a build. ;)
20:52:39SAI've scoured the rockbox forum / faq / manual and haven't found a solution so if I missed it I'm very sorry. :( My rockboxed Sansa E250 recently has stopped showing new music I transfer to it, however my original firmware can display and play the songs without a problem. I can even 'scan' to the files on the rockbox they just simply will not appear under the 'Database'. Can anyone help me? :)
20:53:18gevaertsSwitch back to MSC
20:53:40ChristopherWSA: did you update your database?
20:54:20SAI did before I'll run it again to be sure.
20:55:19*SA feels like an idiot.
20:55:25SAThanks :/
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21:26:36bluebrothergrrr. Why doesn't renaming the firmware file work anymore?
21:27:44ChristopherWI have the build environment set up and managed to build Rockbox in its entirety. Now how do I compile some of the test_* plugins that are in the /apps/plugins directory?
21:28:30bluebrotherChristopherW: add them to apps/plugins/SOURCES
21:29:13ChristopherWok, I'll try that in a while
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21:33:22disorganizerkugel: any news on the viewportification front?
21:33:49kugelNo, except that JdGordon doesn't like my patch ;)
21:34:18kugelhe didn't say it's bad, but he said it's too early, other parts of rockbox should use viewports before usch a feature
21:34:48disorganizerwell, so just start working on the other parts in parallel :-)
21:34:58disorganizerfor example the wpsified statusbar ;-)
21:36:00*bluebrother would like Rockbox to become more stable, not fancier
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21:36:14*disorganizer 's rockbox is stable since over a month
21:36:32bluebrotherit still has some annoying bugs
21:36:53bluebrotherthe playback engine for example.
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21:37:18*disorganizer believes other people work on playback than on the wpsification, no?
21:37:38kugelbluebrother: sure, but why should I wait for a playback enigine rewrite, when i can't do such low-level stuff myself (yet)
21:37:52kugelwell, more low-level than viewports at least
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21:39:00disorganizerthats what i mean. the development is propably split into different parts, so development in one area need not slow down development in another area
21:39:12bluebrotheradding new features usually also introduces new bugs.
21:39:49disorganizerit introduces other bugs. like doing anything. but if the development would have been linear in the past we would propably only have a bootloader till now ...
21:39:51bluebrotherit's nice the UI is rather stable now. No need to introduce new bugs here.
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21:40:16kugelbluebrother: New stuff doesn't mean new bugs in every case
21:40:29bluebrotherkugel: I said "usually".
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21:40:56kugelBut you expect new bugs with every new implementation, don't you?
21:41:13bluebrotherusually, yes.
21:41:41bluebrotherstill, I think it would be better to try getting "the other" stuff more stable.
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21:42:01kugelWe have to live with bugs. Keeping developement slowed down because of the fear of bugs isn't a good way imo
21:42:07disorganizerbluebrother: with that kind of development we would not have any development.
21:42:08bluebrothereven on rbutil I find bugs on features I thought that would've been stable.
21:42:20bluebrotherdisorganizer: I disagree.
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21:42:37kugelSure, when there are much bugs known, one should wait a bit with adding new feature
21:42:51kugelbut I wouldn't call rockbox extremly buggy
21:42:51pixelmaI don't believe there will ever be a bugfree new feature, let alone all the existing ones...
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21:43:03bluebrotherkugel: I don't said we must not introduce bugs at all. I said it would be better to concentrate on fixing the current issues.
21:43:35Spexhello i have one question: is it possible to play all mp3-files in a folder+subfolders?
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21:44:18disorganizerjust add the folder to the playlist.
21:44:38disorganizeralso you can select how rb handles subdirs in the menus.
21:44:44linuxstb_...after enabling the "recursively insert directories" option.
21:45:26kugeldisorganizer: We can easily add entire folders to the playlist?
21:45:54bluebrotherkugel: context menu -> insert
21:45:56domonokyjust press long select on the folder, and choose insert :-)
21:46:01bluebrother(on a folder that is ;)
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21:46:35kugelbluebrother: It says No file though
21:46:46Spexand can i clear the playlist somehow?
21:47:03LloreanSpex: If playback is stopped, "Insert" will clear the playlist before inserting.
21:47:38Spexthx for your help
21:47:43bluebrotherkugel: you need to have recursely insert enabled first ...
21:48:42kugelWell, I'm not very familar with playlists at all
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21:54:06*bluebrother is puzzled
21:55:59bluebrotheris there a way to detect OF mi4 files or distinguish them from rb ones?
21:56:21Bagdera bit subtle though
21:56:41Bagderthe dsa sig in rockbox ones are always fixed
21:57:07bluebrotherah. Noticed something: RBBL starting at 0x1f8?
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21:57:23bluebrotheror isn't that reliable?
21:59:05Bagderit is for "new install"
21:59:13Bagderaccording to sansapatcher.c comments
22:00:03bluebrotherfor new install? I'm wondering about the players with plain mi4 files
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22:00:40LloreanWell, a non-modified .mi4 should be the same as a new-install Firmware Partition install, right?
22:01:06BagderI think the key is that sansapatcher puts that data in the partition
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22:01:17Bagderso if you use a plain file, it doesn't have that
22:01:18*bluebrother notices that sansapatcher checks exactly this bytes
22:01:45bluebrotherI found RBBL at 0x1f8 in H10 and m:robe BL
22:02:12Bagderyes, that's in bootloader/main-pp.c
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22:03:01domonokybluebrother: working on enhancing the bootloader installs ?
22:03:04bluebrotheris this true for all players using mi4 files directly?
22:03:22Bagderbut main-pp.c checks for it in the file, after the "regular" mi4 header
22:03:23bluebrotherdomonoky: yes ... I wanted to fix the case issue (works mostly now), but ...
22:03:29Bagdernot at 0x1f8
22:05:05Bagderin fact, the mi4 header struct in main-pp.c is... funny
22:05:18domonokybluebrother: as we get more and more bootloader installs, it maybe good to change the bootloader install scheme to a class hierachy.. :-)
22:05:54bluebrotheryeps ... I also thought about consolidating all mi4 installs. H10 and m:robe are pretty similar
22:06:32bluebrothermaybe merge all firmware-based installs. Gigabeat is also a candidate.
22:06:41bluebrotherthen there's only the three patchers left.
22:06:52*Bagder is just stupid
22:07:26domonokybluebrother: sounds good :-)
22:07:55domonokybut be carefull, there are subtile differences in the firmware installers :-)
22:08:00bluebrotherhmm, if I'm right it would be possible to recognize all mi4 bootloaders based on the RBBL magic.
22:08:09*bluebrother needs to understand the mi4 format better
22:08:35Bagderyes you can
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22:08:42bluebrotherdomonoky: the bad thing is that I'm rather slow these days.
22:09:07*domonoky also has little time..
22:09:20Bagderbluebrother: rockbox is using 01f8 to 01ff for metadata, those bytes are unused normally
22:10:02bluebrotherBagder: great. So I can check those to identify the bootloader file :)
22:10:24bluebrotherso the mi4 header is always 0x200 bytes?
22:11:00bluebrotherok, thanks.
22:11:07Bagderit's actually a lot smaller but is padded to 0x200
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22:11:15ChristopherWI know this is off-topic, but anyway... There seems to be an off-by-one error in the current playlist when I try to move a song: when I long-select a song and select Move, the *previous* song is highlighted as the one to move. This is in r16918, and in at least r16901, but it's not in r16873 or earlier (I think)
22:11:48BigBambiwhy is that off topic?
22:11:50ChristopherWwhen I do this on the first song in the playlist, it wraps to the end
22:12:03*bluebrother had rbutil overwrite the OF :/
22:12:04ChristopherWwell, you guys are talking about the mi4 format or something
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22:12:23BigBambiChristopherW: Rockbox is on-topic, whichever aspect of it
22:12:32Nico_PChristopherW: thanks for pointing that out, I had spotted it then completely forgotten about it
22:12:33bluebrotherBigBambi: beat me
22:12:43domonokybluebrother: really ? for which target ?
22:12:51Nico_PChristopherW: maybe a bug report is on order here
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22:13:10ChristopherWI didn't bother to search flyspray to see if a bug report exists already, so sue me
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22:13:29bluebrotherdomonoky: m:robe. I was experimenting a bit. Seems something got wrong
22:13:45bluebrotherduring me doing successive installs of the bootloader
22:13:58amiconnThis is weird; I've read this report several times now, yet when I try moving tracks in the playlist viewer, it always works as I'd expect it to...
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22:14:15bluebrotherbtw, after a successful installation of the build the install window doesn't close. Any idea why this happens?
22:14:32bluebrotherthe signal gets connected properly.
22:14:38ChristopherWI'll try to get a series of screenshots to show exactly what I see...
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22:16:28bluebrotherhmm, based on the player detected using usb we could improve mountpoint detection even further −− try to find the correct firmware file.
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22:18:40pixelmaChristopherW: I saw that once too but when I tried to reproduce and find a recipe for it I couldn't. Since then I always check every now and then and it hasn't happened so far to me again
22:19:29ChristopherWpixelma: does rockbox use a file to store its current playlist?
22:19:34domonokybluebrother: it doesnt close, because installzip.cpp has somehow true and false swapped when it emits done
22:19:46domonokyand i suspekt its my fault :-)
22:20:01bluebrotherdomonoky: should I ask svn blame? ;-)
22:20:14*domonoky will fix it..
22:20:38*bluebrother accuses domonoky of doing this only for commit count :P
22:22:42pixelmaChristopherW: there is the playlist.control file (which is a very special binary short whatever file, don't ask me) or you can also save your current playlist (I think from the WPS context menu)
22:23:01*domonoky adds one to his commit count :-)
22:23:06ChristopherWok, here's what I see with r16918 on my Sansa e280:
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22:23:36ChristopherWpixelma: is it possible that the playlist.control file changed format recently?
22:23:57pixelmanot that I remember
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22:24:52ChristopherWeither way, I'll try clearing my playlist and see if the bug is still there
22:26:03ChristopherWI don't see the problem anymore after making a new current playlist
22:28:14ChristopherWI just took a look at the .playlist_control file. It looks like a plain text file. I should've saved the old file before I cleared it so I could see if it was the problem.
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22:28:49tge101im having an issue with my 60gb photo ipod with rockbox, can anyone offer any help?
22:29:08scorche|shwe cant if you dont say what the problem is ;)
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22:29:22tge101it wont boot up, just shows a folder and the apple support website then shuts down
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22:30:03tge101it worked fine for a long time and this just happened, when i hook it up to my computer it wont let me see the device, it says it needs formatted
22:31:29tge101any suggestions?
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22:32:13ChristopherWit might be caused by gamma rays
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22:32:25tge101if i format will i lose all my data on the ipod?
22:32:30gevaertsphinze: it appears that windows indeed behaves the way that document describes. While this is indeed within spec, I still maintain that it shouldn't do that :)
22:33:02tge101im assuming yes, but i didnt know if the format would affect the rockbox end of it
22:33:07bluebrothertge101: yes, formatting will destroy all data
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22:33:48tge101are there any fixes or am i f'ed
22:33:53bluebrotheryou might want to check the partition table of the Ipod. Possibly that is simply messed up
22:34:04bluebrothertge101: what did you do to your Ipod before it stopped working?
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22:34:27tge101nothing, ive been using it to copy movies to my ps3
22:34:45bluebrotherand what did you do before you did nothing?
22:34:50tge101it was working fine and i tried booting it up today and this happened
22:35:09bluebrotherdoes Rockbox / the OF boot?
22:35:19scorche|shargh....i wish i could find a way to reliably reproduce these playback issues...
22:35:46tge101no, the apple logo comes up, then a folder icon with a question mark with the apple support website underneath, then it turns off
22:36:05bluebrotherbut you can access it in emergency disc mode I assume?
22:36:08ChristopherWtge101: did your ps3 somehow "format" your iPod?
22:36:14pixelmascorche|sh: you're not the only one... ;)
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22:36:37tge101whats the sequence for that? i only remember the reboot
22:36:58bluebrotherreboot with Menu + Select. Then enter disc mode using Menu + Play.
22:38:02tge101its not getting there...just the same icon and website
22:38:33bluebrotheryou need to reset it first and then immediately press and hold Menu + Play.
22:38:47tge101wait, i got it to say disk mode, and it says "ok to disconnect"
22:38:51bluebrotherit should be able switching to disc mode −− that is build in.
22:39:03bluebrotherthen connect it to the PC and try to read the partition table
22:39:16phinzegevaerts: that happens so often with windows ;)
22:39:41gevaertsIndeed. First exam question : Why is this exact procedure insane ? :)
22:40:01*bluebrother wonders what interesting "feature" windows not implements
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22:40:16tge101how do i read the partition table?
22:40:56bluebrotheryou're running windows?
22:41:01tge101yea xp
22:41:28DerPapstipodpatcher can show it
22:41:34DerPapstand windows device manager
22:41:49bluebrotherI'm not familiar with such stuff on windows ... you could try a linux live cd ;)
22:43:00*bluebrother remembers he tried to add permission checks to ipodpatcher a while ago ... should finish that
22:43:21tge101i went in device manager, properties, volumes, and its all blank
22:43:44bluebrotherthat should at least show you your local disk
22:43:50bluebrothertry ipodpatcher −−list
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22:45:06tge101ran ipodpatcher, said no ipods found
22:45:26linuxstb_Nico_P: Thanks for the wps parser fix.
22:46:11Nico_Plinuxstb_: you're welcome
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22:46:52bluebrothertge101: I'd suggest using a linux CD −− or wait if someone more fluent with windows shows up
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22:48:20tge101it sounding like im screwed
22:48:34fmlbluebrother: here?
22:48:49bluebrotherfml: yep.
22:48:58bluebrotherany more patches on the manual? ;-)
22:49:14tge101i have yellow dog on my ps3 but i cant get the wifi working so unless its something built in im kinda limited
22:49:17gevaertstge101: one possibility could be that some connection inside got loose.
22:49:37fmlbluebrother: no. But I like how you inserted the section about shortcuts right in the beginning (and not alphabetically)!
22:50:14bluebrotherhehe −− to be honest, I didn't pay too much attention to that
22:50:31fmlbluebrother: there is one more little 'but'. The quotation marks around "Add to shortcuts" are not typeset correctly.
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22:51:28bluebrotherfml: fixing
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22:53:12bluebrother... and committed.
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22:57:52bluebrotherd'oh! bootloaders-info lacks the md5sum for the m:robe
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22:58:35bluebrotherBagder: can you fix that?
22:58:49Bagder8d02a05dc078cb31afb1de90f8134af3 pp5020.mi4
22:59:22tge101ok, back to my ipod when i look at the filesystem it says RAW, i lost everything huh?
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22:59:54kugelbluebrother: commit count +1, eh? :D
23:00:00bluebrothertge101: do you see partitions on the Ipod? It should have two: a small partition marked as empty and a big data partition
23:00:13gevaertstge101: what says RAW ?
23:00:21renkhohello, i just installed rockbox on my iriver h320 yesterday
23:00:24tge101File System : Raw
23:00:28bluebrotherkugel: sure. Trying to get what I can do :)
23:00:32tge101Used Space : 0 Bytes
23:00:39renkhoand i always charge the battery with the usb cable
23:00:43tge101Free Space : 0 Bytes
23:00:45renkhobut when i connect it for charge
23:01:00renkhoi only see a message: bootloader usb mode
23:01:11bluebrothertge101: please check the partition table. It looks somewhat as if your partition table was messed up
23:01:34tge101i still dont know how to do that, i tried ipodpatcher and it said no ipod found
23:01:43renkhobut nothing about if is charging or not
23:01:48bluebrotherrenkho: hold rec while inserting the usb cable
23:01:51kugelgevaerts: no commit to CREDITS?
23:01:57bluebrotherand boot Rockbox first.
23:02:23gevaertskugel: good spot. I'll fix it
23:02:26ChristopherWtge101: can you use a linux live cd and then run fdisk or cfdisk on the device?
23:02:58kugelgevaerts: no problem
23:03:04tge101can i use the live cd with daemon tools?
23:03:11tge101no blanks around....
23:03:16renkhobluebrother: it works when i hold rec while insert the cable
23:03:19renkhothanks :d
23:03:29bluebrothertge101: no, you need to burn it
23:03:30kugelgevaerts: I'm happy when I can make your commit count raise *wink* :)
23:03:49bluebrother(you can't boot your PC off a virtual drive, can you?)
23:04:28tge101no, but i used to have a linux release that ran concurrently using my ram
23:04:35kugeltge101: You can use a virtual pc though (vmware, virtualbox)
23:04:40gevaertskugel: there is that of course :)
23:04:43tge101thats was a while ago though
23:05:09ChristopherWit might work inside Bochs
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23:05:41kugeltge101: a virtualbox is probably a better idea, since you can stay in irc all the tiem
23:06:08kugel"virtual box", didn't mean the program in particular
23:06:23ChristopherWtoo bad you can't run a linux live cd on the ipod itself :)
23:06:39bluebrotherkugel: only if passing the usb device works properly ... I always had issues when using UMS devices
23:06:47fmlHe-he, nice commits. Mostly [deleted] :-)
23:06:59bluebrotherChristopherW: you could still use IPL :D
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23:07:17tge101too bad i cant turn my ipod on at all... :(
23:07:34tge101im getting bochs now
23:07:37bluebrotherso now it's completely dead?
23:07:43ChristopherWbluebrother: right, but you can't boot the ipod from a CD
23:07:56*bluebrother wonders if bochs can pass through usb
23:07:57kugelbluebrother: yea, true, I remember having problems why my e200 too. But it's supposed to work at least
23:08:04tge101no, it just does the same thing, wont boot to ipod f/w or rockbox
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23:08:27bluebrothertge101: but you can access emergency disc mode, can't you?
23:08:37Kreativethinkris it possible to put rockbox on psp ?
23:08:53tge101ive gotten it to disk mode, but i dont know what to do from there
23:08:54bluebrotherKreativethinkr: no. Rockbox only runs on the players that are listed on the front page
23:09:19bluebrothertge101: get a linux box. Check the partition table of the Ipod from there.
23:09:42bluebrotherKreativethinkr: you might want to check the New Ports forums, not sure if there is talk going on about this.
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23:09:48bluebrothertoo late ...
23:10:10tge101little more specific
23:10:52ChristopherWif you're really masochistic, use hexdump to view the raw bytes of the partition table
23:11:16tge101can you walk me through that please?
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23:11:31gevaertsbluebrother: maybe tge101 could try restoring the mbr ?
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23:11:52bluebrothergevaerts: that's what I was thinking. But he needs to access the partition table first ...
23:12:03n17ikhthat's not so bad. Masochistic would be say, telnetting to an irc server... running SSL.
23:12:06bluebrotherand simply overwriting might not be a good idea.
23:12:08tge101i dont know anything about linux to be blatantly honest
23:12:37gevaertstge101: are you now in linux, with the ipod connected and in emergency disk mode (i.e. showing 'Do not disconnect') ?
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23:13:07tge101i dont have linux, i did get bochs though, will running linux through that work?
23:13:32bluebrotherI don't think bochs will allow you to access your usb devices. Which is required to access the Ipod.
23:13:57gevaertsI doubt it, unless you manage to get USB pass-through working (I don't know if that is even possible)
23:14:27bluebrotherhmm, you could use the vmware build image.
23:15:09tge101 any opinions on that?
23:16:05bluebrothersounds like a simple FAT undelete tool
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23:16:21bluebrotherhaven't looked too closely though.
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23:19:35tge101or this
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23:22:39bluebrothertge101: we have a solution to find out some details about how to fix your Ipod. It requires you to use a linux box. At least I'm not going to evaluate random tools found on the internet.
23:23:11tge101all i did was ask
23:23:46*DerPapst wonders what the problem is... just the iPod being "broken"?
23:23:56tge101im trying to avoid linux because i dont know how to use it, dont have it, and will have to go through installing a dual-boot
23:23:58bluebrotherif we did know about some working tools we would have told you.
23:24:39bluebrotheryou *don't* need to install linux. There are live CDs around. I even mentioned the vmware build environment, which is linux based.
23:24:54bluebrotherDerPapst: I assume his MBR is broken.
23:25:17*bluebrother runs for a bit
23:25:23DerPapstcan't he just dd a new one with the windows port of dd?
23:25:23tge101well that second program i put up, i ran it, regarding the mbr i get this "nvalid partition table.Error loading operating system.Missing operating system"
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23:26:07stripwax_stupid question but did you try itunes restore?
23:26:39tge101ive never used itunes
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23:27:01stripwax_do you have cygwin?
23:27:20tge101the problem im having, for those joining, is that my ipod will not boot up, all i get is a folder icon with the apple support website underneath, then it shuts down
23:27:29DerPapstthen it's about time i'd say. or do you care about the files on your ipod?
23:27:53stripwax_tge101 yep (i've been following)
23:28:22stripwax_what does the apple support website suggest you use
23:28:25DerPapsttarbo: is the ipod already connected to your PC?
23:28:27tge101everything i was concerned about is on the rockbox end, my ps3 backup and all my music, is itunes restore going to restore those?
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23:29:07DerPapsttge101: don'T you have all those files on your pc somewhere?
23:29:21stripwax_tge101 - earlier, you tried disk mode, but I couldn't tell if you were able to copy the files off or not. did disk mode enable you to copy the files off and onto your pc?
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23:29:24tge101i havent been there because i thought id find an answer here first in case it completely wiped my ipod clean (if it hasnt been done already)
23:29:50tge101no, even in disk mode, when i try to access my ipod, xp tells me it needs formatted
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23:30:22tge101under properties, it says the file system is RAW and 0 bytes used 0 bytes free
23:30:41stripwax_tge101 - unfortunately #rockbox is not an ipod support forum, but it does sound like the partition table is corrupted, itunes restore *will* recreate a new one but will probably also zap the directory structure
23:31:02DerPapsttge101: simple. do you care about the stuff on your ipod or would it be ok if it gets deleted?
23:31:10tge101this was the only rockbox chat i could find
23:31:17stripwax_do you have cygwin (my earlier question). if so you can use dd (DerPapst's suggestion)
23:31:25tge101i care about the stuff on my ipod under rockbox
23:31:34kugeltge101: Can't you just try to boot into a live cd (to try) to fix the issue with linux?
23:31:39tge101i dont have cygwin
23:31:41DerPapststripwax_: there is even a native dd port :-)
23:32:00stripwax_DerPapst well even better then :)
23:32:17stripwax_can you point tge101 in the right direction for it?
23:32:29DerPapsttge101: i don't understand what you mean with "under rockbox" all i want to hear is a yes or no.
23:33:02kugelDerPapst: He probably means the stuff in his rockbox dir, themes etc
23:33:18tge101all i use is rockbox, all my music and files are in rockbox, thats what im concerned about
23:33:19stripwax_I thought he was talking about music and a ps3 backup so just raw files?
23:33:37stripwax_tge101 right so "all the files on your ipod hard drive" would cover it?
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23:33:47stripwax_which would be a yes to DerPapst?
23:33:53tge101i suppose
23:33:57tge101i was confused
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23:34:06stripwax_tge101 - your files are not "in rockbox". Windows can see them, etc.
23:34:36ChristopherWrockbox uses the same drive as the ipod firmware
23:34:42tge101i know
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23:35:03DerPapstwell. then i'm not sure if i want to help you.
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23:35:24DerPapstbecuase i don't want to be blamed if all files are lost.
23:35:41tge101that was my concern this whole conversation
23:35:52DerPapst(the reasons why one should always have backups)
23:35:53kugelDerPapst: I bet he's going to sue you for helping him
23:36:24DerPapstat least here is the dd tool for windows with a small and nice documentation
23:36:27ChristopherWI'm just curious, but where can you get a backup MBR for the ipod's hard drive?
23:36:32bluebrotherDerPapst: that's the reason why I wanted him to look at the mbr itself first (and make a backup of it)
23:36:49DerPapstbluebrother: ah figured.
23:36:49gevaertsChristopherW: on the rockbox website :)
23:36:56bluebrotherbut I don't know of a good fdisk tool on windows
23:36:58stripwax_tg101 - So: partition table is corrupted or missing. itunes restore will almost certainly fix but you will lose everything. dd will most likely work, but you might lose everything. You will need to take your pick
23:37:19DerPapstbluebrother: iirc there is nothing like fdiks for windows. unforunately
23:37:29ChristopherWso with the backup mbr, he just has to do "dd if=mbr of=/dev/<whatever>"
23:37:31kugelDerPapst: Is that the official page? Or just the win32 port page?
23:37:33bluebrotherDerPapst: do you remember the DOS fdisk? ;-)
23:37:34tge101so dd is my best bet?
23:37:44DerPapstkugel: the win32 port page
23:37:45ChristopherWDOS fdisk sucks
23:37:47bluebrothertge101: yes.
23:37:54DerPapstbluebrother: heh yes :-)
23:38:07gevaertsdd can make a backup first of course
23:38:16bluebrotheruse it with care, it can destroy everything. Maybe it can resurrect your data also.
23:38:21*kugel wonders if tge101 trtied chkdsk on his ipod
23:38:27stripwax_thinking that tge101 won't have a backup mbr to hand..
23:38:34bluebrothergevaerts: and then decode the MBR using a hex editor ;)
23:38:45stripwax_tge101 - what model/generation/capacity did you say it was again?
23:38:49DerPapstyay.. sound like fun
23:38:51ChristopherWone time I had a corrupted file system volume (its name was untypable), but DOS fdisk requires you to type in a file system's volume name to delete it!
23:38:51gevaertsbluebrother: using fdisk on linux of course
23:39:02tge101its a 60gb photo
23:39:14tge1014g i guess
23:39:21tge101err 4gen
23:40:21DerPapsttge101: get the 0.5 version of dd
23:40:25bluebrothergevaerts: yep, but he seems to be resistant to using a linux cd.
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23:40:39gevaertsbluebrother: he can send the mbr to someone
23:40:43ChristopherWalso, with the windows dd, how do you access device files (/dev/whatever)?
23:40:58tge101ok i got it
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23:41:37ChristopherWoh, nvm. I see that it's a weird syntax like "\\.\a:" for the A drive device
23:42:08bluebrothergevaerts: oh, wouldn't that be too easy? ;)
23:42:17tge101where do i go from here?
23:42:42ChristopherWhe can paste the hexdump of the mbr here (I'm only kidding)
23:43:13*bluebrother notices that dd can "decode" the volume to a drive letter
23:43:17scorche|shChristopherW: you arent helping...
23:43:40ChristopherWI'm guessing you could run "dd if=\\.\e: of=mbr.bin bs=512 count=1" or something similar
23:43:56ChristopherWthat assumes the ipod shows up as drive "e"
23:44:04DerPapsttge101: open cmd.exe
23:44:18DerPapstand cd to dd.exe
23:44:23amiconnAccessing \\.\e: would return the start sector of the partition, not sector 0 of the device
23:44:32tge101im there
23:44:34ChristopherWhm, you're probably right
23:44:53DerPapsttge101: run: dd −−list and pt the output at
23:44:55amiconnWindows dd needs raw internal windows device names
23:45:03scorche|sh< scorche|sh> ChristopherW: you arent helping...
23:45:09bluebrotheryou need to access the raw drive, i.e. something like \\.\PhysicalDrivex
23:45:14ChristopherWok, I'll shut up now
23:45:39amiconnThe syntax isn't all that weird, it's simply an UNC path, and the "." stands for "localhost"
23:47:32tge101got the dd −−list, not sure how to do that output
23:48:39stripwax_go to pastebin website and paste it in there
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23:49:04DerPapsteither "dd.exe −−list > output.txt" or just copy it off the cmd window
23:49:25*DerPapst might be confused
23:49:39tge101i cant copy from the cmd window
23:49:50tge101(that i know of anyways)
23:49:53ChristopherWright-click and select "Mark"
23:50:11ChristopherWhighlight the text and press enter (I think)
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23:50:25kugelDerPapst: I thought you didn't wanna help him :=
23:50:31ChristopherWthen it should be copied to the clipboard
23:51:48stripwax_tge101 : "dd.exe −−list > output.txt" will give you a file in the current directory called output.txt, you can paste that file into the pastebin site
23:51:59stripwax_(DerPapst's suggestion in fact, oops)
23:52:41*stripwax_ heads out
23:52:44DerPapstor just do 'dd −−list > output.txt'
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23:53:13tge101my ipod is f:
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23:55:33tge101did it at least show up on the site?
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23:55:53bluebrotherinteresting, Harddisc0 and Harddisc1 have the same size
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23:56:10DerPapstjust noticed that too. so i guess the mbr is foobar
23:56:21ChristopherWis your computer's main hard drive also 60GB?
23:56:42Y-SignalHeyo, anybody else experience this bug where the scrollwheel of a 5G ipod won't respond after making a selection in the database by pressing right/next, and you have to press a button to make the wheel work again?
23:57:19bluebrotherdd if=\\?\Device\Harddisk1 of=mbr.bin count=1 bs=512
23:57:50DerPapsttge101: ^ do what bluebrother just said

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