| 00:00:11 | bertrik | I don't know about step 8 but I'm pretty sure about steps 3 and 4. Anyway the device should not depend on the exact enumeration sequence used by the host. |
| 00:00:32 | * | phinze will use the nutshell as a quick intro, and give the dead tree reference more credence |
| 00:00:32 | amiconn | Compiling can be enabled for all bitmap targets. The #if inside the plugin ensures that it ends up as 0-byte file on colour targets, and hence won't be packaged by 'make zip' |
| 00:00:33 | DerPapst | amiconn: i now too (more or less) |
| 00:01:00 | DerPapst | amiconn: ah didn't know. |
| 00:02:01 | gevaerts | bertrik: I'll do a trace tomorrow to verify step 4 on XP. Step 3 is at least inaccurate (low speed devices...) |
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| 00:04:12 | gevaerts | phinze: don't worry too much about it. You'll find out in time, and for usb audio you don't actually have to care about enumeration (except for the contents of the configuration descriptor). And if you want to give something credence (i.e. it's actually important), use the official spec (http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/) |
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| 00:11:13 | phinze | gevaerts: fair enough |
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| 00:12:31 | gevaerts | phinze: chances are that you won't encounter anything critical enough to need the actual spec anytime soon of course |
| 00:13:19 | phinze | gevaerts: still good to know i have 650pgs of Truth hanging out there in case i need it :) |
| 00:13:31 | gevaerts | :) |
| 00:13:46 | jhMikeS | amiconn: hmmm...easy to rename that then. that codes still rather at the prototype stage anyway (I may take a completely different approach that uses sems instead) |
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| 00:14:28 | amiconn | jhMikeS: If you want to check which WAIT_* macros to avoid, check w32api/winbase.h |
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| 00:15:44 | amiconn | It currently has WAIT_OBJECT_0, WAIT_ABANDONED_0, WAIT_TIMEOUT, WAIT_IO_COMPLETION, WAIT_FAILED |
| 00:15:46 | jhMikeS | I know window's wait returns but didn't think about windows headers colliding. :\ |
| 00:16:48 | pixelma | is it possible that this is also the reason why some button presses aren't working correctly in my cygwin compiled sim (depending on context one or two buttons don't do anythinh)? |
| 00:16:59 | pixelma | *anything |
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| 00:17:38 | * | jhMikeS tries to think of different names that aren't too weird |
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| 00:19:58 | crzyboyster | What does everyone think of task 8835 ? |
| 00:21:32 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: hi |
| 00:21:35 | linuxstb | crzyboyster: Yes, that's been suggested a few times in the past. |
| 00:21:36 | n1s | Could be useful for cariants of the same theme as he states in the request |
| 00:22:00 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: hello |
| 00:22:39 | jhMikeS | btw, I have a 30 gig iPod video in hand - does that one ever exhibit problems like the 60/80? |
| 00:22:50 | crzyboyster | Potentially another one of the new WPS features. It would probably save space on people's hardrives too and make theme packs easier to handle (better for the new rockbox-themes.org site?) |
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| 00:23:02 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: you seem to think most of the playback bugs are due to concurrency issues, is there a way I could make them appear more often? |
| 00:23:35 | gevaerts | crzyboyster: the main problem I see is that you can break a theme by removing another one. |
| 00:23:40 | Nico_P | I don't know whether the 30G displays the same issues as the 60/80G |
| 00:24:25 | DerPapst | amiconn: still not able to compile the plugin but installing test build now. |
| 00:24:33 | * | gevaerts suggests adopting the .deb format for themes, so we can handle dependencies |
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| 00:25:02 | crzyboyster | gevaerts: I see. Another thing that might be nice would be that if you could decide which wps folder each specific bitmap points to (exact path /wps folder/bitmap.bmp) |
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| 00:26:25 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: well, you could take out the mutex_enable_preempt line. frankly I'm about this close >< to just rewriting playback.c. threading has to be proven correct logically since what fine now can 1) a bug is too rare to detect with testing 2) a change in order can make a race condition that never happened into one that almost always happens |
| 00:26:33 | phinze | "The USB host controllers have their own specifications. With USB 1.1, there were two Host Controller Interface |
| 00:26:33 | phinze | Specifications, UHCI (Universal Host Controller Interface) developed by Intel which puts more of the burden on |
| 00:26:34 | phinze | software (Microsoft) and allowing for cheaper hardware and the OHCI (Open Host Controller Interface) |
| 00:26:34 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK phinze |
| 00:26:34 | phinze | developed by Compaq, Microsoft and National Semiconductor which places more of the burden on |
| 00:26:34 | phinze | hardware(Intel) and makes for simpler software. Typical hardware / software engineer relationship. . ." |
| 00:26:50 | phinze | lol |
| 00:27:16 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 00:27:16 | * | phinze apologizes for the line breaks |
| 00:27:46 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: yeah I totally agree... I've been wishing to have time to rewrite it for a while now |
| 00:28:02 | Nico_P | and wishing I had the skill too ;) |
| 00:28:03 | amiconn | DerPapst: Really strange; test_scanrate compiles fine for all my non-colour bitmap targets... |
| 00:28:45 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: If you decide to start doing it I'd love to discuss it and maybe try to help |
| 00:29:11 | * | gevaerts is going to sleep |
| 00:29:11 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: There's no coordination of streams like with mpegplayer and as such I feel like playback of a single stream should be rather straightforward to code. |
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| 00:29:50 | Nico_P | indeed |
| 00:29:52 | jhMikeS | I can barely follow the *why* of much of what is done currently |
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| 00:30:02 | DerPapst | amiconn: as far as i can see it works fine. using contrast of 56 now |
| 00:30:06 | phinze | night gevaerts |
| 00:30:19 | DerPapst | amiconn: investigating the test_scanrate.c issue now. |
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| 00:30:38 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: So far I've grown to accept it and try to fix it for lack of time to rethink it |
| 00:30:41 | amiconn | DerPapst: Hmm, 56? Quite a bit higher than what I need on 1st/2nd Gen... |
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| 00:31:11 | artifex | hi all |
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| 00:31:58 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: do you have some kind of design in mind? I guess something quite similar to mpegplayer? |
| 00:31:59 | amiconn | What did you use before? |
| 00:32:22 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: it's one of those things I have to get ready to take the changes as far through the system as gets revealed...I don't doubt it's a month or two worth of careful checking |
| 00:32:30 | DerPapst | 46 iirc |
| 00:32:51 | amiconn | Interesting... |
| 00:33:00 | DerPapst | amiconn: and this ipod has some kind of problem with a too high default contrast :-) |
| 00:33:37 | amiconn | Could you try changing CONTRAST_REG_H as a test (lcd-gray.c line 65) |
| 00:33:41 | DerPapst | amiconn: in the of i have to keep it at it's minimum. if i increase it above 50% the LCD goes blank. |
| 00:33:43 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I'm sure I'd pull ideas from it if they're suitable but the buffer works much differently there (has random access and streaming operation) |
| 00:33:59 | amiconn | You could try (in order of increasing contrast) 0x500, 0x600 and 0x700 |
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| 00:34:16 | Nico_P | do you think the current buffering code is going to need much work to be made thread safe? |
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| 00:35:52 | jhMikeS | Can't tell how much right now but a handle usage protocol must be clearly defined. It's likely possible to not use mutexes at all and to use a concurrent linked list implementation. |
| 00:36:58 | DerPapst | amiconn: not a big problem for this 3G but for the other it would. the contrast of my other 3G is that low i have to increase the contast to the max in the OF inorder to see anything -.- |
| 00:37:04 | Nico_P | would there be a significant gin in doing that? |
| 00:37:10 | DerPapst | but i can try of course |
| 00:37:12 | Nico_P | s/gin/gain |
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| 00:39:11 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: if all threads can pass almost uncontended then yes esp. if two cores use it |
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| 00:39:37 | Nico_P | makes sense |
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| 00:40:01 | Nico_P | also, I'm curious as to how you debug/check such code? |
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| 00:44:34 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: stare at it or diagram it logically and make sure it's correct. that's basically it for threading. |
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| 00:47:36 | Nico_P | hmm... I wonder if it would be worth trying a model checker :) |
| 00:48:11 | * | Nico_P has been learning TLA at school and is looking for a practical use |
| 00:48:54 | Chronon | What's TLA? |
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| 00:49:03 | Nico_P | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporal_Logic_of_Actions |
| 00:49:24 | Nico_P | basically you specifiy your system and it checks all possible cases |
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| 00:50:59 | * | jhMikeS tends to imagine code being executed concurrently by multiple processes and juggles the order of arival/delays around to be sure each step result in the desired outcome(s). |
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| 00:52:01 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: does that work the same with cooperative threading as it does with preeptive? |
| 00:52:20 | Nico_P | or do you just think preemptively, knowing it will apply in coop? |
| 00:52:44 | Nico_P | meh, that's basically twice the same question |
| 00:53:10 | Chronon | jhMikeS: Thanks, that's a helpful mental image. |
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| 01:05:12 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I tend to think utterly parallel since code that survives that survies the others. Each is just a variable degree of the same thing. |
| 01:06:14 | Nico_P | right.... I really need to train into that way of thinking |
| 01:07:11 | * | jhMikeS has to go fetch his gf, bbl |
| 01:07:21 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: do you have any possible weak spots of the current playback engine in mind? I should have a little more free time soon(ish) so I'd like to make quick fixes |
| 01:07:27 | Nico_P | I'll read the logs ;) |
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| 01:15:55 | pixelma | that zajacattack in the forum makes me angry... |
| 01:16:09 | scorche|sh | you are not alone |
| 01:16:30 | DerPapst | ban him.. as april fools joke :-) |
| 01:16:42 | pixelma | hehe :) |
| 01:17:04 | DerPapst | that means one day off for you. and maybe he learned his lesson :-P |
| 01:17:34 | pixelma | somehow I like the idea... |
| 01:17:45 | DerPapst | or one could accidently forget to unban him ]:-> |
| 01:17:49 | linuxstb | That's cruel - just banning him for one day... |
| 01:17:50 | scorche|sh | it wouldnt be the first time he was banned |
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| 01:43:00 | ukl | Hmm... this might not be the perfect place to ask, but it's the best one I could imagine. Has anybody here got a Samsung YP-U3*? |
| 01:43:15 | scorche|sh | ukl: is this related to rockbox? |
| 01:43:28 | ukl | Unfortunately not. |
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| 01:43:42 | ukl | But I'd appreciate a gentle push into the right channel :) |
| 01:43:50 | markun | scorche|sh: well, one is a DAP and the other is a firmware for DAPs, so I would say it's related |
| 01:44:48 | markun | ukl: what is the question about? If it's Samsung specific maybe you can find a forum. |
| 01:44:54 | ukl | markun: unfortunately my question only refered to the sound quality, not any firmware issues (as I doubt this little thing meets some kind of minimum requirements for being able to run rockbox) |
| 01:45:05 | markun | anythingbutipod.com probably has a samsung section in their forums |
| 01:45:15 | linuxstb_ | ukl: "Imagine Colors in your music" ;) |
| 01:45:19 | ukl | I just hoped to find someone to tell me if the background noise of it is really that bad, maybe comparred to other players... |
| 01:45:45 | ukl | linuxstb_: no synestesia here... ;) (where does this line you quoted come from?) |
| 01:45:52 | linuxstb_ | http://www.samsung.com/my/products/audio/mp3player/yp_u3zb.asp |
| 01:46:09 | ukl | linuxstb_: as you can see, btw, I'm still looking for an mp3/ogg player... trying to lower my standards according to my wallet |
| 01:46:23 | markun | meizu M6SL? |
| 01:46:28 | markun | :) |
| 01:46:40 | linuxstb_ | Still 193 C240s in stock at bigpockets... |
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| 01:47:59 | ukl | I really liked this samsung yp-u1 I used for a while some days ago...but background noise... |
| 01:48:05 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: I'm liking mine btw... pity it's only 1G because it's a nice change from bulky HD players |
| 01:48:30 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: I'm waiting for the button map to become sane... But yes, it's a nice little player. |
| 01:49:07 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: do you know how to confirm in the vkeyboard? |
| 01:49:43 | pixelma | you can use volume up or down, I recommend - the manual and FS #8824 |
| 01:49:47 | linuxstb_ | No idea. I struggle with that on most targets... |
| 01:49:52 | * | linuxstb_ should rtfm |
| 01:49:57 | Nico_P | same here |
| 01:50:07 | pixelma | or believe me :P |
| 01:50:27 | Nico_P | pixelma: oh I hadn't seen your answer. thanks |
| 01:50:44 | advcomp2019 | ukl, AnythingButiPod.com might be the best place to look like markun said |
| 01:51:04 | * | pixelma still wonders about the verrry verbose debug output when playing WMAs in a "normal" sim |
| 01:51:25 | | Part toffe82 |
| 01:51:28 | ukl | Thank you... it's incredible how much time I can spend on not-being-able-to-decide. |
| 01:51:53 | Nico_P | the keyboard really needs an overhaul IMHO |
| 01:52:41 | linuxstb_ | ukl: Just be sure it's rockboxable ;) |
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| 01:53:06 | ukl | yes, but that's kind of a step up the €-ladder |
| 01:53:23 | pixelma | linuxstb_: do you perhaps have an opinion on whether it's worth renaming iCatcher.128x96x1.wps to iCatcher.128.96x2.wps? Would make sense in combination with the display specs but only monochrome graphics are used currently |
| 01:55:22 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: Does it get installed correctly? I assume it's the iaudio rwps? |
| 01:56:34 | pixelma | yes, Iaudio remote wps and it gets installed correctly (X5 sim) but haven't checked the M3 yet... |
| 01:57:10 | linuxstb_ | Ah no, looking at wpsbuild.pl, it seems to try all depths until it finds a matching one. |
| 01:57:20 | linuxstb_ | (starting at the highest the LCD supports) |
| 01:57:51 | linuxstb_ | So no, I think it probably makes sense to keep it as x1, just in case we get a 128x96x1 target... |
| 01:58:42 | pixelma | hmm, ok. I have all the mono versions ready then |
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| 02:00:50 | pixelma | linuxstb_: btw. imagemagick's montage tool is really nice for the work :) |
| 02:00:58 | linuxstb_ | I know ;) |
| 02:01:25 | pixelma | that was my way of saying "thank you for the hint" ;) |
| 02:01:54 | linuxstb_ | Happy to help - it's tedious work at best. |
| 02:03:34 | pixelma | yes, especially the long sublines for the animation in iCatcher |
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| 02:09:25 | saratoga3 | are any of the Telechips targets nearing maturity? |
| 02:10:03 | linuxstb_ | The D2 port is progressing well, my logikdax is sleeping... |
| 02:10:05 | saratoga3 | I noticed that the 78XX and higher chips would also be good canidates for mpegplayer upgrades |
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| 02:10:15 | saratoga3 | since they're almost Gigabeat S level of CPU power |
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| 02:11:58 | saratoga3 | can the D2 play audio yet? |
| 02:12:02 | pixelma | saratoga: did you leave something enabled in some wma related files which shouldn't be enabled for some everyday sim user? The output is huge compared to playing other codecs |
| 02:12:49 | saratoga3 | pixelma: theres some debugf output, but i don't see much reason to remove it |
| 02:13:01 | saratoga3 | i assume if you're looking at the wma codec under the sim you're probably trying to fix it |
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| 02:13:12 | linuxstb_ | Or testing a WPS... |
| 02:13:19 | pixelma | I just play it to "debug" iCatcher |
| 02:13:19 | saratoga3 | with wma files? |
| 02:13:36 | saratoga3 | people here actually use those? |
| 02:13:40 | pixelma | (because it had no wma icon so far) |
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| 02:13:54 | linuxstb_ | IMO debugfs should be removed, or at least disabled by default. |
| 02:13:56 | saratoga3 | i can remove them if they're really annoying people |
| 02:14:15 | linuxstb_ | (I'm probably guilty of leaving some in the asf code) |
| 02:14:30 | pixelma | I wouldn't have anything against some |
| 02:14:31 | saratoga3 | i suppose the seeking ones can probably go now that seeking seems stable |
| 02:14:35 | saratoga3 | ah |
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| 02:14:36 | Thundercloud_ | linuxstb_: So when you say it's going well (the D2 port), is there a progress map on the wiki perchance? |
| 02:15:01 | linuxstb_ | Thundercloud_: I've no idea. shotofadds (the person working on the port) posts to the forum thread frequently though. |
| 02:15:23 | Thundercloud_ | Ah okay |
| 02:15:28 | Thundercloud_ | *checks* |
| 02:15:41 | Thundercloud_ | Also, what kind of programming skills do you really need to get involved with rockbox? |
| 02:15:47 | linuxstb_ | And I see commits to SVN quite often... |
| 02:16:04 | saratoga3 | the D2 has a really interesting CPU |
| 02:16:15 | pixelma | but it's *a lot*. It's constantly scrolling and after a few seconds of playing the backlog is full and I can't see what the WPS parser told me ;) |
| 02:17:32 | saratoga3 | and its actually documented |
| 02:17:32 | linuxstb_ | Thundercloud_: Just C programming - the level of skill depends on how deeply you want to dig into Rockbox. |
| 02:17:32 | Thundercloud_ | linuxstb_: Ah I see |
| 02:17:32 | Thundercloud_ | I just completed a course on embedded systems |
| 02:17:32 | linuxstb_ | Thundercloud_: Using C? |
| 02:17:32 | Thundercloud_ | linuxstb_: PIC ASM and C |
| 02:17:51 | saratoga3 | you'll do fine |
| 02:18:03 | Thundercloud_ | Cool |
| 02:18:09 | Thundercloud_ | I've got a D2 myself so I can possibly help out a bit |
| 02:18:11 | * | linuxstb_ notices the SoC deadline go by and wonder if applications are closed |
| 02:18:17 | Thundercloud_ | If I have time that is :P |
| 02:19:13 | Llorean | linuxstb_: It was extended. |
| 02:19:13 | Thundercloud_ | My exams'll be over by like May 12th so you never know. |
| 02:19:13 | saratoga3 | they extended it a week |
| 02:19:13 | * | pixelma points linuxstb_ to the mailing list |
| 02:19:13 | Thundercloud_ | Yeah, 7th April now |
| 02:19:13 | pixelma | too slow |
| 02:19:13 | DerPapst | how many are there already? |
| 02:19:13 | DerPapst | gsoc apps i mean |
| 02:19:13 | linuxstb_ | Good, so still time for rockbox-as-app-app |
| 02:19:13 | Thundercloud_ | linuxstb_: ? |
| 02:19:25 | linuxstb_ | A "rockbox as application" application |
| 02:19:36 | saratoga3 | everyone around here has an iphone as it is |
| 02:19:43 | saratoga3 | i'm wondering if i should point my school's mailing list at GSOC + rockbox and see if we can't get a few more CS or CE students to apply |
| 02:19:57 | Thundercloud_ | linuxstb_: So that would be what? A version of rockbox for an x86 platform? |
| 02:20:15 | saratoga3 | also, its getting really annoying how the webclient somehow manages to reverse the order of posts if they're sent close enough |
| 02:20:17 | DerPapst | Thundercloud_: more for mobile phones |
| 02:20:21 | linuxstb_ | Maybe, or maybe for portable devices - e.g. a Symbian port. |
| 02:20:23 | Thundercloud_ | DerPapst: Ah I like this |
| 02:20:26 | DerPapst | and pdas |
| 02:20:30 | Thundercloud_ | linuxstb_: Symbian? Aw poo :P |
| 02:20:45 | Thundercloud_ | Well to be fair a J2ME port is probably out of the question correct? :P |
| 02:20:56 | linuxstb_ | Thundercloud_: Many devices use it, and it's possible (afaik) to use gcc |
| 02:21:21 | saratoga3 | iphone is probably the most attractive port imo, since theres so much 3rd party development and hacking already done |
| 02:21:22 | Thundercloud_ | linuxstb_: The unfortunate thing is, mine doesn't :P |
| 02:21:37 | Nico_P | DerPapst: there are 15 eligible applications |
| 02:21:48 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: "eligible" ? |
| 02:21:58 | DerPapst | saratoga3: iirc if you use the official iPhod SDK you cannot access the filesystem directly. |
| 02:22:14 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: well, 'not yet marked ineligible' :) |
| 02:22:22 | DerPapst | hehe |
| 02:22:29 | saratoga3 | we don't want or need the official sdk |
| 02:22:55 | DerPapst | saratoga3: true.... |
| 02:23:13 | DerPapst | i just thought i'll throw it in here ;-) |
| 02:23:15 | Nico_P | the jailbreak might be useful though |
| 02:23:34 | DerPapst | any really good new apps too? |
| 02:23:38 | saratoga3 | yes that will be necessary to defeat code signing |
| 02:23:45 | saratoga3 | or whatever it is apple uses |
| 02:23:55 | saratoga3 | but all that work is done, and the arm tool chain is already available |
| 02:24:13 | pixelma | linuxstb_: did you see my complaint-wondering-question hours ago? |
| 02:24:36 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: No, what time? |
| 02:25:27 | saratoga3 | haha the D2's LCD controller can take pixel's in YUV format |
| 02:25:43 | linuxstb_ | Yes, that's quite common for these PMPs |
| 02:26:09 | linuxstb_ | I think the DM320's LCD controller is similar |
| 02:26:12 | Nico_P | saratoga3: apparently it's now possible to run homebrew |
| 02:26:23 | Nico_P | given they release the pwnage though |
| 02:26:24 | pixelma | linuxstb_: around 17:30 in now yesterday's logs |
| 02:26:36 | saratoga3 | Nico_P: its been possible for ages |
| 02:26:45 | Nico_P | really? |
| 02:26:47 | saratoga3 | the new hack just lets you replace the entire OS |
| 02:27:10 | ukl | what would you understand as sound being "dynamic"? (I don't understand this review...) |
| 02:27:10 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: Ah yes, kugel reported the same issue... |
| 02:27:11 | saratoga3 | basically lets you flash your own OS instead of just running apps in the OS |
| 02:27:14 | Nico_P | saratoga3: yeah, that's what I meant. I was thinking of a regular rockbox port, not rockbox as an app |
| 02:27:29 | saratoga3 | i think that would be a bad idea |
| 02:27:30 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: It's on my to-do list (which I'm just writing...) |
| 02:27:40 | Nico_P | saratoga3: really? why? |
| 02:27:52 | saratoga3 | apple has provided us with all their drivers |
| 02:27:54 | pixelma | linuxstb_: ok, just wanted to let you know (or know if I remembered wrong) |
| 02:27:58 | saratoga3 | not using them would be silly |
| 02:28:11 | saratoga3 | additionally, it would not be possible to support the phone part of the iphone |
| 02:28:24 | Llorean | The iPhone and iPod Touch are basically PDAs anyway. |
| 02:28:35 | Llorean | Not really the target of "Rockbox as a firwmare" in the first place. |
| 02:28:39 | DerPapst | and speed wouldn't be an issue so a native rockbox isn't needed either |
| 02:28:55 | saratoga3 | and for what advantage? we gain nothing by trying to reverse engineer hardware that already has what is effectively a wide open unix based OS |
| 02:29:23 | Nico_P | good point |
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| 02:30:28 | saratoga3 | honestly i hope rockbox eventually moves in that direction |
| 02:30:47 | Nico_P | I hope we keep both directions open :) |
| 02:30:55 | * | Nico_P goes to bed |
| 02:30:58 | saratoga3 | reverse engineering hardware consumes a lot of developer time and in the future as portable devices become more advanced and more open it seems like this shouldn't be so necessary |
| 02:31:22 | Nico_P | I hope you're right ;) |
| 02:31:28 | saratoga3 | not to mention the increasing complexity of SOCs makes it increasingly difficult |
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| 02:32:40 | saratoga3 | i shudder to think how the PP work would have gone on had PP actually been competent to design something useful |
| 02:32:45 | linuxstb_ | saratoga3: Then work on rockbox-as-app for Soc ;) |
| 02:32:59 | saratoga3 | not really my area |
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| 02:33:19 | saratoga3 | i hated my OS class and don't really know much about unix development |
| 02:33:30 | saratoga3 | i like DSP and not much else about programming |
| 02:33:55 | saratoga3 | i don't think i'd be much use otherwise |
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| 02:49:00 | Llorean | saratoga3: On gigabeat you can already listen to music while playing Rockboy as long as the ROM fits in the plugin RAM |
| 02:49:30 | saratoga3 | yeah thats what i figured |
| 02:50:14 | saratoga3 | someone do that |
| 02:50:14 | saratoga3 | also the easiest GSOC in the world would be that Moto Cellphone port |
| 02:50:23 | saratoga3 | the codes already written, just have to get it commited |
| 02:50:32 | linuxstb_ | The problem with Doom is DRAM, not IRAM |
| 02:50:40 | saratoga3 | argh stupid out of order webclient bug |
| 02:50:46 | ukl | Hmm.... I wonder if limiting the range to those hardly larger than a pocket lighter made decisions easier... |
| 02:51:18 | Llorean | ukl: Please, this is an on-topic channel pertaining to Rockbox... |
| 02:51:30 | ukl | Llorean: sorry. I'm stopping it. |
| 02:51:59 | saratoga3 | hmm on second thought maybe i should apply for merging that Moto port |
| 02:52:08 | Llorean | saratoga3: Regarding the Motorola phone port, it also needs some work to integrate it into the build system, doesn't it? |
| 02:52:31 | saratoga3 | if no one else steps up to do Rockbox as an app, I'll change my application |
| 02:52:36 | saratoga3 | Llorean: I have no idea, but it wouldn't surprise me |
| 02:52:44 | saratoga3 | i think there'd still be a fair amount of work involved regardless |
| 02:53:20 | Llorean | At the very least, it'd be a great place to start "rockbox as an app", since "app" targets in the build system need to be definable, rather than just special cases of the sim. |
| 02:53:35 | saratoga3 | blackhawk didn't seem too intereseted in keeping his code compatable with rockbox |
| 02:53:39 | saratoga3 | its probably a real mess |
| 02:53:55 | linuxstb_ | s/probably// |
| 02:54:46 | saratoga3 | he did eventually remove the album art patch for us I think |
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| 02:55:28 | saratoga3 | has anyone applied for the rockbox as an app project? |
| 02:55:46 | JdGordon|uni | noone that gets whats the tas is has |
| 02:56:06 | saratoga3 | hmm |
| 02:56:34 | Llorean | There was Rockbox as a JAVA app, I believe... ;) |
| 02:56:40 | saratoga3 | if I write up an application and submit it could it be held in backup in case someone else wants a crack at it? |
| 02:57:37 | linuxstb_ | saratoga3: It would be great if you wanted to do it, but be aware that it's likely to be all the things you don't like, such as modifying Rockbox's build system to allow a new category of targets, and probably abstracting the GUI code to enable Rockbox to interface with the host OS's GUI. |
| 02:57:59 | saratoga3 | yes I'll have to think carefully about that |
| 02:58:22 | saratoga3 | but I think the host already used SDL so thats probably not too bad |
| 02:58:44 | linuxstb_ | IMO it should be more than just porting a sim to a new OS... |
| 02:59:16 | saratoga3 | ideally it would revolve around gettnig a framework in place for using rockbox as an app |
| 02:59:32 | saratoga3 | build system, cleaning up sim code, etc |
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| 03:06:24 | linuxstb_ | saratoga3: We still have another week, so yes, if you wanted you could prepare an app and wait until next Monday before submitting. |
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| 03:10:38 | tanjahreeen | Hi guys, I am currently having a probelm with my sansa that already has rockbox on it. After I have fully charged it, it resets and boots the rockbox firmware. But rockbox displays the battery level at 65%. Is this a glitch currently being worked on by rockbox? or am I doing something wrong? |
| 03:11:26 | tanjahreeen | Bye the way, it has the latest build |
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| 03:26:44 | TD-Linux | hello, I am having difficulty finding the voice files on rockbox's download page |
| 03:27:08 | TD-Linux | I was able to find the fonts |
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| 03:29:13 | pixelma | hmm... yes, the links have currently vanished |
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| 03:30:36 | TD-Linux | I kinda need the voice files |
| 03:30:43 | TD-Linux | my ipod is, err, currently lacking a screen |
| 03:31:16 | pixelma | I hope to find someone who can fix this in a few hours but at this time of day it's calm here... :\ |
| 03:32:32 | scorche | pixelma: out of curiousity, which post of zacablahblah's were you looking at when you commented? |
| 03:32:35 | TD-Linux | is there an alternate download link? |
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| 03:34:35 | pixelma | TD-Linux: unfortunately I could only find one with too old voice files which won't be of any help |
| 03:36:04 | pixelma | scorche: I looked at the 10 most recent posts and it had the first reply to Febs in it and the following "the moderators" blablah... but I should really get some sleep |
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| 03:36:52 | scorche | ah |
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| 03:37:17 | linuxstb | TD-Linux: Which ipod? |
| 03:38:53 | TD-Linux | nano 1g |
| 03:39:29 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/voices/ipodnano-20080331-english.voice |
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| 03:39:33 | TD-Linux | aha found them |
| 03:39:38 | TD-Linux | browsing download.rockbox.org |
| 03:40:07 | linuxstb | The ones dated 2006-12-23? |
| 03:40:37 | nikosapi | I seem to have a problem loading themes, when they load they're often using the wrong font or iconset. The Cabbiev3 theme in particular is missing most of the icons from the "now playing" window. Is there something I'm not doing right here? |
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| 03:40:54 | TD-Linux | yeah two years old :/ |
| 03:41:07 | TD-Linux | are they in SVN somewhere? |
| 03:41:10 | TD-Linux | OH |
| 03:41:14 | TD-Linux | thanks for the link! |
| 03:41:17 | TD-Linux | I missed it |
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| 03:41:22 | linuxstb | Thank google's cache... |
| 03:41:41 | * | linuxstb sleeps |
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| 03:42:43 | TD-Linux | okay now |
| 03:42:45 | TD-Linux | moment of truth |
| 03:43:21 | TD-Linux | how long till I hear something? |
| 03:44:07 | TD-Linux | is there something special for 'blind users' ? |
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| 03:46:53 | renkho | hello all |
| 03:47:36 | renkho | im in the process of rockbox my iriver h320 :) |
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| 03:48:07 | renkho | but something that i dont have it clear yet, is which files should be on the root of the iriver |
| 03:48:28 | renkho | is actually only: H300.hex |
| 03:48:31 | renkho | and some folders |
| 03:48:47 | renkho | the version of the firmware is 1.29E |
| 03:49:21 | renkho | so i just patched the file: h300.hex with the fwpatcher |
| 03:49:44 | renkho | what now? i need to replace the H300.hex of my iriver with the patched one? |
| 03:49:52 | renkho | what more should i copy? |
| 03:50:01 | renkho | i extracted the rockbox distribution |
| 03:50:07 | renkho | bootloader-h300.bin <-? |
| 03:52:32 | Llorean | renkho: Are you following the directions in the manual? |
| 03:52:44 | TD-Linux | hmm I don't think rockbox is booting |
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| 03:52:53 | TD-Linux | how do I tell if it is apple firmware or not? |
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| 03:53:09 | renkho | Llorean: yeah im trying |
| 03:53:42 | TD-Linux | also how long does it take rockbox to load? |
| 03:54:02 | Llorean | renkho: Specifically, what step in which instructions are you at? |
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| 03:54:19 | Llorean | TD-Linux: A few seconds. But if your screen is broken, it's basically impossible to know what's going wrong. |
| 03:54:26 | TD-Linux | :/ |
| 03:54:30 | renkho | i just patched the firmware (1.29E) |
| 03:54:32 | TD-Linux | lsusb says apple computer, inc |
| 03:54:40 | renkho | with the fwpatcher |
| 03:55:00 | renkho | and extracted the rockbox distribution into the iriver |
| 03:55:11 | renkho | so i see a folder called: .rockbox |
| 03:55:18 | renkho | into the h300 drive |
| 03:55:36 | renkho | still the original h300.hex on it |
| 03:55:52 | renkho | that i had to downgrade because in the first place i had installed the 1.31K |
| 03:56:39 | Llorean | renkho: The manual has numbered steps... which is the first step you have not completed? |
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| 03:56:59 | Llorean | TD-Linux: When you connect by USB it's always going to be in the apple firmware, because we don't have a USB mode and reboot into it. |
| 03:57:08 | TD-Linux | :/ |
| 03:57:19 | TD-Linux | okay |
| 03:57:23 | TD-Linux | so I disconnect ipod |
| 03:57:28 | renkho | Llorean: im in the 5th step of manual installation |
| 03:57:33 | TD-Linux | hold down menu + select for a while, nothing happens ... |
| 03:57:48 | Llorean | renkho: Now, what exactly are you asking? |
| 03:58:13 | Llorean | TD-Linux: It will be very hard to tell if anything happens, since your screen is already off/broken. |
| 03:58:19 | renkho | i got a file looking around: bootloader-h300.bin |
| 03:58:22 | TD-Linux | hmm these headphones do work |
| 03:58:23 | Llorean | TD-Linux: if you put headphones on, though, you might hear a pop. |
| 03:58:23 | renkho | do i need that one? |
| 03:58:28 | TD-Linux | they sound terrible though o.O |
| 03:58:32 | TD-Linux | yeah I do hear a pop |
| 03:58:37 | Llorean | renkho: The manual doesn't say you need it. |
| 03:58:45 | Llorean | TD-Linux: That's when the iPod reboots. |
| 03:58:55 | TD-Linux | okay let me listen again |
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| 03:59:16 | TD-Linux | there's a pop when I plug it in :P |
| 03:59:21 | TD-Linux | so at least I have power |
| 03:59:34 | TD-Linux | maybe it needs to charge more ? |
| 03:59:42 | TD-Linux | the pop should indicate power tho |
| 03:59:54 | TD-Linux | does the voice say WELCOME TO ROCKBOX! or something? |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:02 | renkho | Llorean: sorry i was a bit confused when i opened this link: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/iriver/ |
| 04:00:13 | Llorean | TD-Linux: No. |
| 04:00:25 | TD-Linux | what's the first way I can get sound? |
| 04:00:33 | TD-Linux | pushing random keys? |
| 04:00:35 | Llorean | renkho: But the manual does not tell you to download this file. |
| 04:00:48 | Llorean | TD-Linux: If voice is working, scrolling up or down should move you in the list, and it should read entries. |
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| 04:00:57 | TD-Linux | op nope it isn't |
| 04:01:01 | TD-Linux | I bet I'm in apple firmware or something |
| 04:01:09 | * | TD-Linux is going to retry the flasher |
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| 04:01:46 | TD-Linux | actually I'll try the gui this time |
| 04:02:14 | renkho | Llorean: ok, so im ready for copy the patched .hex file into the iriver and reboot it |
| 04:02:45 | renkho | how much time does it usually take the upgrade? |
| 04:03:49 | Llorean | renkho: Pretty quick. |
| 04:04:05 | renkho | ok |
| 04:04:34 | TD-Linux | arg now I can't make it mount |
| 04:05:07 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 04:05:57 | renkho | ooh yeah:D |
| 04:06:01 | renkho | it worked :D |
| 04:07:00 | TD-Linux | recoginizes and make scsi device |
| 04:07:12 | TD-Linux | but no block device or filesystem :( |
| 04:07:27 | * | TD-Linux reconnects hub |
| 04:07:51 | TD-Linux | gaa direct connect time |
| 04:08:12 | renkho | now time to learn to use it lol |
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| 04:09:02 | renkho | i have to say that i was very scared with this |
| 04:10:01 | TD-Linux | okay we are getting there it seems now |
| 04:10:10 | TD-Linux | it's recognizing as mass storage |
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| 04:14:18 | renkho | mmmmm |
| 04:14:37 | renkho | i can't boot into the original firmware |
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| 04:27:06 | TD-Linux | AHAHAHAHA |
| 04:27:12 | TD-Linux | I HEARD IT SAY 'FILES' |
| 04:27:19 | scorche | ... |
| 04:27:25 | TD-Linux | but then nothing |
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| 04:27:27 | TD-Linux | ;( |
| 04:27:33 | TD-Linux | maybe it needs to charge |
| 04:27:39 | TD-Linux | can I make it charge without going to usb mode? |
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| 04:28:18 | cool_walking_ | Yes, hold "menu" while inserting the USB cable |
| 04:28:48 | TD-Linux | hmm now nothing :( |
| 04:29:14 | TD-Linux | I wonder if I inserted the touch panel ribbon cable correclty |
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| 04:33:35 | TD-Linux | HAH I MADE IT SAY FILES AGAIN |
| 04:33:41 | TD-Linux | but yeah I see the touch pad isn't connected now :( |
| 04:33:47 | TD-Linux | time to dissect again |
| 04:35:05 | TD-Linux | I wish there was a way I could turn the ipod off :( |
| 04:35:16 | renkho | mmm |
| 04:35:23 | renkho | oh it works now |
| 04:35:25 | renkho | have to go |
| 04:35:26 | renkho | thanks |
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| 04:39:52 | TD-Linux | 'SYSTEM' ! |
| 04:40:53 | TD-Linux | I got the touchpad mostly working now |
| 04:40:59 | TD-Linux | but its batteries just died I think :( |
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| 04:43:44 | Thundercloud_ | Which one? |
| 04:43:52 | TD-Linux | ipod nano |
| 04:43:53 | TD-Linux | finally |
| 04:43:58 | TD-Linux | gotta get it into rockbox next |
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| 09:17:43 | Topic | "Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Now announcing our joint venture with zune-linux to add the Zune devices to our target list! | Prepare for a bumpy road as we transition from a linux base to our own custom kernel. Sorry, but it needs to be done. | We feel that Rockbox is becoming known more as a gaming platform, so we have decided to start phasing out audio capabilities. Here's hoping for a better, mor
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| 09:17:50 | scorche | argh |
| 09:18:16 | Topic | "Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Now announcing our joint venture with zune-linux to add the Zune devices to our target list! | Prepare for a bumpy road as we transition from a linux base to our own custom kernel. | We feel that Rockbox is becoming known more as a gaming platform, so we have decided to start phasing out audio capabilities. Here's hoping for a better, mor" by scorche (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 09:18:35 | Topic | "Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Now announcing our joint venture with zune-linux to add the Zune devices to our target list! | Prepare for a bumpy road as we transition from a linux base to our own custom kernel. | We feel that Rockbox is becoming known more as a gaming platform, so we have decided to start phasing out audio capabilities. Here's hoping for a better, more fun Rockbox in 2008!" by scorche (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
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| 09:19:24 | * | jhMikeS is reminded that March just ended |
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| 09:24:29 | scorche | B4gder: so, how much is this couponcactus this adding to the fund? |
| 09:24:44 | B4gder | currently 500USD/month |
| 09:25:02 | scorche | holy wow....not too shabby |
| 09:25:14 | B4gder | but they want to double that to get more links on there |
| 09:25:18 | * | Mouser_X has adblock on. |
| 09:25:30 | scorche | that is really impressive |
| 09:26:01 | petur | maybe the ads should be put in a box as well? |
| 09:26:06 | Llorean | B4gder: There's been some displeasure about it (mostly that you didn't also send word to the list giving warning, from the sounds of it) but as a request, any way to make it clearer it's an ad? |
| 09:26:29 | scorche | perhaps a tiny "Why do we have ads" wiki page? |
| 09:27:06 | B4gder | sure, zagor's currently on vacation so he just added this quickly. I'm sure we can tweak this a lot more once he gets back for real |
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| 09:29:35 | B4gder | two new builds added to the table |
| 09:30:00 | * | jhMikeS reads "How Coupon Cactus Works..." and immediately spots a contradiction |
| 09:30:39 | scorche | B4gder: how did contact with these folk get established? |
| 09:31:41 | B4gder | the guys that buy this spot from us sell it to the link owners, they contacted zagor and offered money for adding text links |
| 09:32:17 | B4gder | I mean, the coupon guys have not contacted us |
| 09:32:23 | jhMikeS | so when do we add popups? :P |
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| 09:32:36 | B4gder | it's all about the money |
| 09:32:52 | B4gder | and lots of money for tiny text links is good value for us, imho |
| 09:32:53 | scorche | B4gder: and the devcon tickets/beer we can purchase with it! ;) |
| 09:33:00 | B4gder | yes indeed |
| 09:33:11 | * | jhMikeS has never lifted a finger for any other reason *big chuckles* |
| 09:33:40 | petur | about devcon.... a date? |
| 09:34:12 | Mouser_X | petur: Bringing one? |
| 09:34:15 | scorche | 500USD is well worth getting for that tiny text link imo....although with the current dollar trends... |
| 09:34:17 | Mouser_X | Sounds like a plan. |
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| 09:34:37 | B4gder | scorche: there will be more links there too soon as well, as I believe they pay for up to ten links |
| 09:34:52 | * | petur hits Mouser_X with an empty beer bottle |
| 09:35:00 | scorche | so 5000USD per month? |
| 09:35:01 | Mouser_X | lol |
| 09:35:19 | B4gder | the 500 is for that "box" place, which may contain 10 links |
| 09:35:31 | scorche | ah....rats :) |
| 09:36:20 | Mouser_X | petur: If you did, you'd have me beat (at least you'd have someone to bring). |
| 09:36:22 | Mouser_X | :P |
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| 09:36:58 | * | Mouser_X will say no more, and attempt to be on-topic now. |
| 09:37:32 | B4gder | petur can bring his "new date" for next year's family version of devcon ;-) |
| 09:37:55 | * | petur throws more bottles |
| 09:38:37 | Mouser_X | lol |
| 09:40:41 | B4gder | I'd love a devcon date too |
| 09:40:55 | Mouser_X | I'd like a date of any kind... |
| 09:40:59 | Mouser_X | Sorry. |
| 09:41:05 | scorche | ack....i was going to send a mail off tonight too =/ |
| 09:41:11 | petur | B4gder: maybe we can go together ;) |
| 09:41:21 | B4gder | yay! |
| 09:46:03 | pondlife | Hmm, according to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=PortalPlayerUsb I should have an EXTRA_DEFINES line in Makefile.... |
| 09:46:14 | pondlife | "..change the EXTRA_DEFINES line to say..." |
| 09:46:26 | pondlife | Is this wrong, I see no EXTRA_DEFINES line |
| 09:46:51 | GodEater | unless it's been removed recently, then no |
| 09:46:54 | B4gder | export EXTRA_DEFINES bla bla in the root Makefile? |
| 09:46:59 | Nico_P | pondlife: you can also add the define to the config header file |
| 09:47:13 | pondlife | Hmm, Niotepad++ went crazy and picked up another Makefile :) |
| 09:47:18 | Nico_P | config-<target>.h |
| 09:48:19 | B4gder | hey we need a commit! |
| 09:49:29 | pondlife | That's one wide table :) |
| 09:50:37 | B4gder | indeed |
| 09:51:04 | pondlife | Did we consider putting the sims and bootloaders in separate tables? |
| 09:51:14 | petur | hmmm 42? |
| 09:51:31 | pondlife | How many beers must a man gulp down? |
| 09:52:11 | petur | nah... think quality, not quantity |
| 09:52:26 | petur | s/think/drink |
| 09:53:45 | jhMikeS | thrink |
| 09:54:44 | * | scorche wonders why petur is starting this early |
| 09:54:59 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Hey, you Gigabeast guys still using confusing mtp transfers? I haven't heard much talk recently, but I remember someone had a link a few days ago to "much improve MTP support" in the latest Ubuntu alpha, which looked like you could natively browse MTP devices rather easily. |
| 09:55:30 | Nico_P | Llorean: that's probably mtpfs |
| 09:55:48 | Llorean | Any good? |
| 09:55:58 | GodEater | not really |
| 09:56:01 | Nico_P | never tried it... mtp-sendifle works fine for me |
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| 09:56:09 | GodEater | it still suffers the same problem with the device not resetting |
| 09:56:12 | jhMikeS | not causing me any trouble either |
| 09:56:20 | GodEater | i.e. you get one transfer, and then have to replug |
| 09:56:21 | Llorean | Alright |
| 09:56:24 | Nico_P | we just send the tar over and the bootloader untars it |
| 09:57:24 | jhMikeS | but it leaves it in the filename database anyway |
| 09:59:51 | Mouser_X | Well, for iTunes stuff (from #rb-community), I don't have any idea how the idea is being proposed. |
| 09:59:59 | Mouser_X | But I don't see why it has to be part of the core. |
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| 10:00:10 | Mouser_X | As in, being able to import stuff is fine. |
| 10:00:28 | Llorean | Because if it were a plugin, it wouldn't be able to keep the iTunes database in sync with the Rockbox one. |
| 10:00:28 | Mouser_X | Create an external app/plugin/whatever, that can interact with the Rockbox DB. |
| 10:00:37 | Llorean | You'd have to manually invoke it. |
| 10:01:02 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: in the EVENT_HANDLE_REBUFFER processing you're using queue_send. is there any chance that queue_send to the audio queue will be used? if it does that without a reply first, it will deadlock. |
| 10:01:18 | scorche | Llorean: yes, but is having it done automatically for those who do use iTunes and rockbox worth it being in the core? |
| 10:01:26 | Mouser_X | Oh, you mean for the iTunes DB that's currently on the iPod... I see. |
| 10:01:57 | scorche | and where do we stop when people ask for other similar things? |
| 10:01:58 | Llorean | Mouser_X: Yes. You listen to songs, and it keeps the local iTunes DB playcount updated, which then causes the PC-side one to be in sync when they sync. |
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| 10:02:37 | scorche | "well, iTunes 'stuff' gets to be in the core...why cant <proprietary system here> be in there too?" |
| 10:02:45 | Llorean | scorche: "iTunes" is more or less a software extension of the "iPod" experience. It's nearly integral with the hardware. Just because we cut the tie from it doesn't necessarily mean we should enforce an inability to effectively use the software. |
| 10:02:52 | Mouser_X | I barely use the Winamp ML, and everytime I've used the Rockbox DB, I've not liked it. |
| 10:02:59 | Llorean | It can be explained as "finishing support for the iPod' |
| 10:03:08 | Mouser_X | So, I can see uses for it, but I don't use it much. |
| 10:03:26 | linuxstb_ | My main worry is maintainability - we only have one developer interested in Rockbox's native database, and I can't see anyone wanting to maintain itunes db support if the student disappears after the summer. |
| 10:04:34 | B4gder | hopefully the student sticks, and the work is made separate enough to not hinder us if it stays untouched after the summer |
| 10:04:36 | Llorean | linuxstb_: As far as I see, "support" for the iTunes database should be a system that imports all data from it into our DB when changed, and exports bits back to it. So we don't really interact with it beyond that, and there's little to maintain unless the format changes. |
| 10:04:52 | Mouser_X | I'm all for an external app that can interact with the Rockbox DB, but (iPods excluded), I don't think it needs to be in the core. |
| 10:05:09 | Llorean | B4gder: Well hopefully it'd be in #ifdefs too. |
| 10:05:14 | linuxstb_ | Llorean: What if Rockbox's core changes - e.g. the way track change events are handled for example? There are two things interacting... |
| 10:05:16 | B4gder | that too, yes |
| 10:05:48 | Llorean | linuxstb_: That would, though, be recorded in the Rockbox database. The export could get its data from that, rather than from the actual playback system, couldn't it? |
| 10:06:09 | Llorean | The way I see it, iTunesDB <−−> Rockbox DB <−−> Playback |
| 10:06:12 | scorche | i dont know...i suppose i am just of the opinion that we should not be coddling proprietary systems in the core unless there is a very good reason (which i dont see this being as a manual plugin or program would work fine) |
| 10:07:04 | pondlife | Llorean: That could be iTunesDB <−−> file tags <−−> Rockbox DB .... ? |
| 10:07:10 | * | jhMikeS just had a soft deadlock when letting an album play to the end and so wonders if that's what just occurred |
| 10:07:43 | Llorean | pondlife: The iTunesDB isn't necessarily based on file tags, and I think the data the Rockbox DB gets from it should be the data it can't already get from Tags (don't take artist, album, etc from it at all) |
| 10:08:00 | Llorean | Mostly playcounts, ratings, and custom playlist stuff. |
| 10:08:25 | * | scorche heads to sleep and resigns to reading logs tomorrow |
| 10:08:41 | pondlife | I'd like playcounts/ratings to be put back into tags, personally - no idea if that's possible though... |
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| 10:09:01 | pondlife | I like the per-track info to be stored with the track |
| 10:09:24 | Llorean | pondlife: In regards to iTunes though, they relate to two different files (the one in the library on the PC, and the one on the player) |
| 10:09:35 | Llorean | At least, as far as I know. |
| 10:09:54 | pondlife | Urgh, that's not nice |
| 10:10:05 | pondlife | Sorry, never used iTunes |
| 10:10:28 | pondlife | I was more thinking that you're only lacking the bridge between iTunes and file tags |
| 10:10:46 | pondlife | plus iTunes and playlists |
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| 10:11:50 | Llorean | The way I see it, at least, is for the data we can't extract from file tags. |
| 10:12:12 | Llorean | And for writing back the data they expect to be present on the host when things are done. |
| 10:12:28 | pondlife | Would EXTM3U be any help? |
| 10:13:14 | Llorean | Don't think so. |
| 10:13:39 | pondlife | Are there standards to store ratings/playcounts in tags? |
| 10:14:01 | Llorean | Whether they are or aren't, it wouldn't solve the problem with keeping the iTunes database up to date. |
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| 10:14:22 | Llorean | scorche: Well, assuming software USB, one possibility would be to run the update, as a plugin, before USB connection if the feature's enabled, I'd imagine. |
| 10:14:23 | pondlife | IT would if there were a db <−−> tags application |
| 10:14:53 | Llorean | pondlife: An iTunesDB <−−> tags? If such an application existed, it wouldn't need to be part of Rockbox at all. |
| 10:15:00 | pondlife | Exactly |
| 10:15:11 | Llorean | As in, it would be irrelevant to this discussion... |
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| 10:15:26 | pondlife | Hence no need to put proprietary stuff into Rockbox |
| 10:15:30 | pondlife | Which is good, no? |
| 10:16:02 | pondlife | Hmm, on another topic, anyone here tried our USB storage on a C200 recently? |
| 10:16:08 | Llorean | I can't see how it would keep the on-player database up to date when syncing with iTunes... |
| 10:16:23 | markun | gevaert's meizu arrived! |
| 10:16:37 | B4gder | yay |
| 10:16:46 | * | B4gder wants linux based DFU |
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| 10:17:01 | Mouser_X | Llorean: I like the plugin idea that updates on USB connect/detection. |
| 10:17:05 | ze | they must've done away with the auto-ghosting for some reason :/ |
| 10:17:45 | markun | B4gder: gevaerts told me he could take a look at the USB traffic going on so we can modify the DFU util from OpenMoko |
| 10:17:53 | Llorean | Mouser_X: I just don't see it as being worth doing if it requires the user to invoke it, or otherwise manually cause updates, because if that's the case it's no longer a Rockbox project, and should simply be a PC app. |
| 10:18:00 | B4gder | I'd love that |
| 10:18:21 | Llorean | And if it's to be automatic it either needs to be in the core, or there needs to be a mechanism in place to run the "update" plugin, such as that. |
| 10:18:49 | markun | B4gder: do you have your player already? |
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| 10:19:37 | B4gder | no, it wasn't in stock where I ordered it so I don't know when I'll get it |
| 10:19:46 | B4gder | if it takes too long I'll order it from somewhere else |
| 10:19:54 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I'm not sure, don't you mean queue_send to the buffering queue? |
| 10:19:57 | linuxstb_ | I guess it's not too late to a project along the lines of "create a library for PC-based applications to use to interface with the Rockbox database, and add sync-with-Rockbox-device support to 1 or more media players using this library". |
| 10:20:06 | linuxstb_ | s/to a/to add a/ |
| 10:20:25 | Llorean | linuxstb_: We've still got a week for applicants. |
| 10:20:27 | B4gder | markun: I'll just enjoy seeing your progress in the mean time! ;-) |
| 10:20:40 | markun | B4gder: don't expect anything this week (exams) |
| 10:20:54 | Llorean | linuxstb_: You might want to also suggest it to Songbird or some similar app, so they can add it as an SoC idea from their side. :-P |
| 10:20:56 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: that both threads send synchronous messages to each other |
| 10:23:08 | pixelma | B4gder: could you look into the voice file link issue (missing in the "Daily builds and voices" pacge)? |
| 10:23:27 | pixelma | page too |
| 10:23:31 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: yo might be onto something... there's a queue_send in what that audio_flush message will cause |
| 10:23:50 | B4gder | pixelma: working on it right now |
| 10:23:50 | Nico_P | and the queue_reply only comes after everything has been done |
| 10:24:04 | pixelma | B4gder: nice, thanks :) |
| 10:24:17 | Nico_P | I actually don't even see the queue_reply |
| 10:25:28 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: in case you haven't seen it, the flush message causes audio_invalidate_tracks() > audio_fill_file_buffer() > audio_load_track > buf_request_buffer_handle > queue_send to the buffering queue |
| 10:25:28 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: via bufgetid3 in audio_check_new_track can call queue_send to the buffer thread (through one really long string of function calls) |
| 10:25:41 | Nico_P | so there are two cases :/ |
| 10:26:05 | Nico_P | actually the one I cited above seems more likely to happen to me |
| 10:26:42 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: when is the queue_reply sent? |
| 10:27:33 | jhMikeS | if you haven't replied explicitely already, it's done automatically when waiting on the queue again |
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| 10:27:52 | Nico_P | ok. I guess it should be dones right before calling audio_invalidate_tracks() |
| 10:27:57 | jhMikeS | does that need to be synchronous? |
| 10:28:12 | Nico_P | I'm not even sure |
| 10:28:37 | Nico_P | it can probably not be... |
| 10:28:56 | * | Nico_P needs to go |
| 10:29:25 | Nico_P | I'll be back in an hour or so |
| 10:37:24 | pondlife | Hmm, I'm not having much luck with our USB |
| 10:37:57 | pondlife | or rather, our USB storage. WinXP slowly recognises it, but can't find a driver for "Generic volume" |
| 10:38:16 | pondlife | Any action in Device Manager is very very slow. |
| 10:38:56 | pondlife | Guess I need to wait until gevearts arrives? |
| 10:41:34 | pixelma | pondlife: already tried they keybeep? |
| 10:41:41 | pixelma | *the |
| 10:41:43 | pondlife | Yes |
| 10:41:51 | pondlife | I can repro, and might have a fix |
| 10:42:23 | pixelma | cool |
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| 10:55:47 | pondlife | pixelma: The c200 really doesn't need keyclick anyway - the keypad (physically) clicks anyway. |
| 10:56:58 | B4gder | pixelma: voice links are restored! |
| 10:57:15 | pixelma | pondlife: yes, that's true. But I guess it's the same issue the Ipods have so if you could fix it there... |
| 10:58:08 | pixelma | B4gder: nice, there was someone asking here for it this night which reminded me... |
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| 11:07:55 | B4gder | and now the daily source seems to work too |
| 11:08:08 | B4gder | I broke it when I switched to 7zip |
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| 11:10:15 | amiconn | Imho rockbox should not support the itunes db with any on-target code |
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| 11:11:45 | pixelma | B4gder: I think the idea was mentioned before but could the voice files also be provided in a zip (maybe named target-specific) in the correct file structure so that people could just unzip it to their player (like everywhere else) and don't have to do the renaming? |
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| 11:11:59 | B4gder | yes... |
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| 11:12:33 | B4gder | I'll work on it |
| 11:12:48 | pixelma | I'll try to remember to update the manual then... |
| 11:13:14 | Martin_R | pondlife: regarding the slow Windows response, can you please try my latest Patch in FS #8562? |
| 11:13:32 | pondlife | Martin_R: Yes, it'll be a relief :) |
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| 11:18:14 | B4gder | the zip files actually get a bit smaller too |
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| 11:24:26 | B4gder | pixelma: ok, voices are now provided in zip files |
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| 11:24:40 | pondlife | Martin_R: Your patch helped a lot |
| 11:24:47 | pixelma | B4gder: that was quick :) |
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| 11:25:32 | B4gder | yeah, I just fixed those other things so the scripts were more or less in my head already |
| 11:25:41 | Martin_R | pondlife: To get high speed with Windows, you have to push in the USB plug slowly. Rockbox seems to need some time between connecting VBus and the data lines. |
| 11:25:55 | pondlife | I'm happy with full speed for now |
| 11:26:02 | pondlife | 1GB doesn't take long :) |
| 11:27:27 | Martin_R | pondlife: Nice to hear. |
| 11:28:30 | pixelma | B4gder: I imagened the voice files being in .rockbox/langs dir but they are in a build-* directory. No problem but I'd like to know what to describe... |
| 11:28:50 | B4gder | ah right... |
| 11:29:35 | B4gder | you think having the full path makes it easier? |
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| 11:30:58 | pixelma | I'm not sure, just my first thought that if they could just unzip to their player it would be nice (because they know the procedure). Maybe someone else has an opinion too |
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| 11:32:59 | pixelma | I guess that rbutil needs to be updated then too, once we have settled for a way |
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| 11:33:42 | pondlife | pixelma: I agree with you, all our zips should be consistent. |
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| 11:35:29 | B4gder | ok, full path it is |
| 11:35:33 | B4gder | rebuilding the zips |
| 11:44:51 | linuxstb | B4gder: Are you keeping both versions (.voice and .zip) on the server? |
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| 11:59:59 | B4gder | linuxstb: no I'm switching to plain zips now but the old voices are still there |
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| 12:04:47 | B4gder | I mean for their 30 days until removal |
| 12:09:51 | linuxstb | B4gder: I was just thinking it could be useful to keep both until rbutil is updated (assuming rbutil installs the .voice files). |
| 12:13:45 | B4gder | I don't think it downloads voices |
| 12:14:26 | B4gder | hm it does... |
| 12:16:03 | B4gder | so ok, I'll build both until rbutil is updated |
| 12:17:01 | pixelma | does rbutil do the renaming? |
| 12:17:28 | XavierGr | I aggree completely with amiconn on the iTunes db issue |
| 12:17:36 | B4gder | I just read the feature pages about it |
| 12:17:42 | B4gder | "# Install voice file (from the webpage)" |
| 12:17:50 | pixelma | I would guess so |
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| 12:52:25 | pondlife | pixelma, GodEater: If you get a chance, could you try the patch I've put at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8836 ? |
| 12:52:56 | pondlife | The pcmbuf beep problem is very odd indeed, but I think the horrible noise is dead. |
| 12:53:04 | pondlife | I wish I knew why! |
| 12:53:06 | GodEater | pondlife: will have to wait till I get home of course.... |
| 12:53:20 | pondlife | Of course, no rush. This isn't production-quality stuff |
| 12:53:32 | GodEater | is it the key beeps ? |
| 12:53:42 | GodEater | he said, lazily not even checking the tracker entry |
| 12:53:45 | pondlife | Well, yes - but it's a more basic problem than that |
| 12:54:00 | pondlife | Some kind of memory caching thing in pcmbuf, I suspect |
| 12:54:24 | pondlife | I need some PortalPlayer guru to look into it really |
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| 13:02:32 | Nico_P | why doesn't rb->lcd_puts_style(x, y, string, STYLE_DEFAULT); display anything when rb->lcd_putsxy(x, y, string); did |
| 13:04:44 | Nico_P | ah crap |
| 13:05:59 | Nico_P | new question: can I display inverted text at a pixel xy position? |
| 13:06:24 | JdGordon | well.. it should be obvious! |
| 13:06:32 | JdGordon | STYLE_BLAA is not supposed to go there.. |
| 13:06:37 | JdGordon | DRMODE_BLAA does |
| 13:06:58 | JdGordon | got me good when I started playing with the viewport stuff in the lists :p |
| 13:07:20 | Nico_P | JdGordon: I'm pretty sure the argument is STYLE_*, but I think lcd_puts_style takes char coordinates, not pixel cooredinates |
| 13:08:24 | JdGordon | april fools? ... :'( |
| 13:08:37 | JdGordon | i must have got them confused in the other direction then |
| 13:08:51 | JdGordon | you can do what you want though... |
| 13:10:07 | JdGordon | ... aparently not... |
| 13:10:23 | Nico_P | even by using lcd_set_drawmode? |
| 13:10:33 | JdGordon | setup a viwport at the x,y you want and use its drawmode? |
| 13:10:35 | JdGordon | or that |
| 13:10:44 | JdGordon | with lcd_pustyxy |
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| 13:11:29 | Nico_P | I'm not sure which drawmode is which though |
| 13:12:15 | Nico_P | ah, I guess I want SOLID and SOLID|INVERSEVID |
| 13:13:35 | Nico_P | victory \o/ |
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| 13:14:33 | JdGordon | remember to reset it after your done... |
| 13:14:44 | Nico_P | yes :) |
| 13:14:49 | JdGordon | or use a viewport which would be betterer |
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| 13:20:01 | Nico_P | I don't think I need a viewport for what I'm doing |
| 13:31:19 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Please could you look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8836 some time...? |
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| 13:50:06 | pixelma | complaining here helped too :) |
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| 14:17:32 | Nico_P | any ipod owners here ? |
| 14:20:16 | LinusN | here |
| 14:20:51 | Nico_P | LinusN: I've made a small proof of concept plugin for a virtual keyboard of sorts |
| 14:21:01 | LinusN | oh? |
| 14:21:10 | Nico_P | you use the scrollwheel to select letters |
| 14:21:52 | Nico_P | they are set in a circle, in such a way that the letter selected corresponds to where you press the wheel |
| 14:22:49 | gevaerts | Nico_P: have you ever looked at http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/ ? |
| 14:23:03 | Nico_P | no.. looking |
| 14:23:40 | pixelma | Nico_P: what if someone with a 1st or 2nd gen Ipod would have answered your question? ;) |
| 14:24:06 | Nico_P | pixelma: haha, I would've been screwed :) |
| 14:24:16 | Nico_P | anyone want to try it and give me feedback? |
| 14:24:33 | amiconn | It won't work on 1st..3rd Gen, and also not on mini 1st Gen |
| 14:24:50 | Nico_P | amiconn: because they have no touch wheel, is that it? |
| 14:25:21 | amiconn | No, because those can't read absolute wheel position |
| 14:25:25 | Nico_P | oh |
| 14:25:51 | amiconn | Only 4th gen (greyscale & colour), Mini 2nd Gen, Nano and Video can |
| 14:25:55 | pondlife | Do we have a HAVE for that ability? |
| 14:25:58 | Nico_P | I guess it can be adapted though... absolute is not really needed but it allows faster input |
| 14:26:11 | Nico_P | I used HAVE_WHEEL_POSITION |
| 14:26:15 | ByeongKeon | gevaerts: hello~ i'm ByeongKeon |
| 14:27:23 | Nico_P | gevaerts: dasher looks nice :) |
| 14:27:35 | gevaerts | ByeongKeon: hello. |
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| 14:27:43 | pondlife | Nico_P: Needs a pointer though, no? |
| 14:28:04 | Nico_P | pondlife: yes |
| 14:28:05 | pondlife | Maybe we could use their predictive text somehow.. |
| 14:28:45 | * | petur hates predictive text |
| 14:28:55 | * | pondlife too, but it was an idea |
| 14:28:57 | gevaerts | Nico_P: I'm not sure if it does. After all, they manage to use breathing-sensors as input devices... |
| 14:28:58 | Nico_P | so, no voluteers to give my plugin a try? |
| 14:29:29 | ByeongKeon | gevaerts: thank you for your comment on my application. |
| 14:29:47 | gevaerts | ByeongKeon: I'm not sure if I (personally) am the most qualified person to comment on your proposal (although it looks interesting to me), so maybe others on the channel can pitch in |
| 14:30:46 | * | gevaerts looks around for people interested in document viewers |
| 14:32:29 | Nico_P | I just read the application |
| 14:33:48 | Nico_P | ByeongKeon: do you own a target supported by rockbox? |
| 14:33:56 | ByeongKeon | Nico_P: did you read my application? can i get your any comment? |
| 14:35:47 | ByeongKeon | Nico_P: I have |
| 14:36:10 | petur | ByeongKeon: I seriously dount you can implement that all in the time given, unless most of the code exists and you just need to port it. |
| 14:36:20 | petur | s/dount/doubt |
| 14:36:49 | markun | gevaerts: your Meizu has arrived! |
| 14:37:14 | markun | just need to pick it up :) |
| 14:37:26 | Nico_P | ByeongKeon: I just read it, yes. it's interesting, but have you seen the template gevaerts linkt to? |
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| 14:37:45 | * | dionoea wonders how many DAPs gevaerts bough during the last few weeks. |
| 14:37:49 | gevaerts | ByeongKeon: I do have one (small) comment. I would move the content aware image resizing to the end, so if you get into time problems you still have a finished system (albeit without resizing) |
| 14:37:56 | GodEater | dionoea: too many ;) |
| 14:38:12 | gevaerts | markun: great! |
| 14:38:30 | markun | gevaerts: I'll try to pick it up tomorrow |
| 14:39:00 | gevaerts | markun: mail me the info for payment and similar, and I'll send you my address |
| 14:39:13 | LinusN | Nico_P: hand it to me |
| 14:39:28 | LinusN | ipod 5G |
| 14:39:41 | Nico_P | LinusN: rock or patch? |
| 14:39:57 | LinusN | rock, please |
| 14:40:05 | ByeongKeon | Actually, I'd like to develop similar system, when I got my PDA first. |
| 14:40:22 | Nico_P | LinusN: ok, just let me build it ;) |
| 14:40:44 | petur | ByeongKeon: have youi created similar applications before? |
| 14:40:50 | LinusN | Nico_P: make it 30GB |
| 14:41:00 | Nico_P | ok |
| 14:41:02 | * | petur goes to typing class :/ |
| 14:41:27 | ByeongKeon | petur: yes but, it's not exactly same. |
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| 14:41:59 | * | gevaerts re-reads his comments to the application and joins petur in this typing class |
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| 14:46:13 | ByeongKeon | Nico_P: yes Nico_P, I read template. |
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| 14:47:04 | Bagderr | now now, git's aprils fool's joke wasn't very convincing |
| 14:47:46 | Nico_P | Bagderr: where is it? |
| 14:48:06 | dionoea | Google's aprils fool's joke are :) |
| 14:48:33 | Bagderr | http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/78653 |
| 14:48:35 | ByeongKeon | gevaerts: give me a chanc to prove it. :D |
| 14:48:48 | PaulJam | linuxstb_: i was just wondering, was there any progress on the customizeable statusbar apart from your initial hack? (i haven't read all the logs since then) |
| 14:48:50 | dionoea | *jokes |
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| 14:49:34 | gevaerts | ByeongKeon: I'm probably the mentor with least seniority of all, so you mainly have to convince the others :) |
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| 14:50:28 | * | Bagderr is one of the old, grumpy, old, did I say grumpy? mentors |
| 14:50:28 | kakazza | Hi, when booting my iPod mini into EDM with Select+Play, how can I then turn it of in that mode rather then rebooting it with Menu+Select? |
| 14:50:55 | LinusN | Nico_P: works fine, it takes a little while to get used to the absolute positioning |
| 14:52:12 | LinusN | how would you handle larger alphabets and lower-case? |
| 14:52:36 | Nico_P | ATM I don't ;) |
| 14:53:28 | Nico_P | but I guess there could be a toggle to switch between different screens. we wouldn't want to clutter the screen |
| 14:53:43 | Nico_P | selecting letters would be hard with too many |
| 14:53:55 | ByeongKeon | gevaerts: I can implment DocumentViewer in time, because, 'content aware image resize' is already implmented. |
| 14:54:12 | LinusN | Nico_P: yes, that's the general problem with this approach, i guess |
| 14:55:13 | Nico_P | LinusN: yes. three screens would probably be enough though... lowercase, uppercase and special (numbers and main special chars) |
| 14:55:22 | GodEater_ | kakazza: you can't - you have to reboot it |
| 14:55:36 | Bagderr | Creative's going after custom driver hackers to their hw it seems |
| 14:55:42 | Bagderr | http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&thread.id=116332 |
| 14:55:47 | amiconn | Nico_P: Umlauts? Cyrillic? Greek? Kanji? |
| 14:55:50 | Nico_P | Bagderr: yes, very sad |
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| 14:56:06 | Bagderr | I wonder where that'll put our creative port guys |
| 14:56:08 | Nico_P | amiconn: spoilsport :) |
| 14:56:24 | LinusN | i must be getting old - i think the default font size on the 5G is waaaay to small |
| 14:56:37 | JdGordon | on the next boat to gitmo? |
| 14:56:37 | gevaerts | ByeongKeon: ok. Maybe you should edit your proposal to mention that. |
| 14:56:59 | JdGordon | LinusN: wait till you see it on the mr500... |
| 14:57:01 | Bagderr | and the d2 bootloader appeared! |
| 14:57:13 | Bagderr | now we just need to spank shotofadds to fix the warnings ;-) |
| 14:57:29 | * | gevaerts points out that dasher supports umlauts, punctuation,... fine |
| 14:57:31 | LinusN | i think we have a too small font on the gigabeat as well |
| 14:57:47 | pondlife | Bagderr: Creative's April Fool joke? |
| 14:57:51 | Bagderr | no |
| 14:57:58 | Bagderr | posted 28th of march |
| 14:58:02 | pondlife | Ah, yes |
| 14:58:11 | pondlife | That is sad. |
| 14:58:16 | Nico_P | gevaerts: I tried dasher. it's nice but takes some getting used to. also I don't think it's possible to use it without some kind of pointing device |
| 14:58:41 | ByeongKeon | gevaerts: I'll update my apllication with more specific milestone. |
| 14:59:49 | Nico_P | amiconn: I'm not even sure I want to go further into my circle keyboard idea though... it just popped in my head earlier today and I wanted to try it. I'm not convinced it's viable |
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| 15:00:19 | ByeongKeon | gevaerts: can I chat with you once more? after I update my application. |
| 15:00:48 | gevaerts | ByeongKeon: sure. I probably have a meeting in a few minutes, but I'm online reasonably often. |
| 15:01:10 | Nico_P | ByeongKeon: try to follow the template too, that way we'll have all the information at hand when evaluating the application |
| 15:02:04 | gevaerts | Nico_P: I think (but it's been a wile since I looked at it) that it can work with one 'scroll-like' device and one or two buttons. |
| 15:02:07 | ByeongKeon | Nico_P: thank you for your advice. |
| 15:02:46 | markun | Bagderr: very interesting thread! |
| 15:03:01 | * | pixelma sighs |
| 15:03:46 | pixelma | LinusN: do you mean the font that is now in the default theme or the built-in one? |
| 15:03:56 | LinusN | pixelma: the default theme |
| 15:04:10 | LinusN | it's ridiculously small |
| 15:04:44 | amiconn | Bagder: Iiuc this creative problem shouldn't affect us. It seems he adapted existing driver packages (i.e. Creative's code) to run on another OS and other soundcards |
| 15:04:52 | LinusN | the main menu fills barely 1/4 of the screen |
| 15:05:01 | pixelma | if they just hadn't picked such a "skinny" font... I think nimbus is much more readable at the same font height (because it's boldish) |
| 15:05:47 | * | Nico_P prefers boldish too |
| 15:05:54 | Bagderr | amiconn: it may be so, I didn't properly research exctly what he did |
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| 15:05:58 | ByeongKeon | gevaerts: you are probably on meeting, see you tomorrow, i'll bring more detailed application. |
| 15:07:03 | petur | ByeongKeon: there are more mentors around than just gevaerts... |
| 15:07:33 | Nico_P | the guy was hacking binary drivers to enable features creative had disabled for vista |
| 15:07:36 | Bagderr | I think we're 12 mentors signed up or something |
| 15:07:45 | Bagderr | can't look right now |
| 15:07:47 | * | gevaerts is not in his meeting yet :) |
| 15:08:01 | Nico_P | they also didn't like the fact that he was requesting donations for his work |
| 15:08:33 | Bagderr | did he distribute creative's drivers then? |
| 15:08:44 | Nico_P | he distributed modified versions |
| 15:08:55 | Bagderr | ok, then I see their view of this |
| 15:09:12 | gevaerts | Nico_P: have a look at http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/movies/BreathDasher.mpg (25MB). If that works, it can work in rockbox... |
| 15:09:22 | Nico_P | so they're completely within their rights, but the fact of disabling hardware features in drivers is very disputable |
| 15:09:23 | ByeongKeon | petur : sorry, I completely forget that. |
| 15:09:39 | Bagderr | and of course that's exactly why we've always made an effort never to distribute other's stuff in Rockbox |
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| 15:14:59 | ByeongKeon | Bagderr: just gevaerts left some comment, so I thought, the other mentors are not interesting my application. |
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| 15:15:55 | Bagderr | we want the best possible applications from all students |
| 15:16:07 | Bagderr | so that we can then pick the best |
| 15:16:12 | Nico_P | ByeongKeon: we're all interested in applications, but gevaerts seems to be our chief interrogator ATM :) |
| 15:16:23 | Bagderr | he's our front man |
| 15:16:26 | Bagderr | the man with the bat |
| 15:16:40 | Bagderr | :-) |
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| 15:16:52 | * | gevaerts still doesn't understand how he got in that position |
| 15:17:04 | petur | Bagderr: does the google page show a list of mentors oris it just in our wiki? |
| 15:17:44 | Bagderr | petur: I think the list at Google's is only available to mentors |
| 15:18:48 | gevaerts | Bagderr: from what I understand there is an application template somewhere that gets automatically shown when a students submits an application or something. Maybe our gsoc admin could copy the wiki template there |
| 15:18:50 | dionoea | s/mentors/admins/ |
| 15:19:06 | Bagderr | aha only admins can see that |
| 15:19:14 | * | Bagderr reveals his status... |
| 15:19:36 | Bagderr | gevaerts: yes, but that field is so stupidly done anyway so I doubt it'll help a lot |
| 15:20:12 | Bagderr | but yeah, I should put something there |
| 15:20:12 | markun | Bagderr: according to Creative we are probably also selling a product to anyone who donates to us after downloading rockbox, don't you think? |
| 15:20:44 | gevaerts | markun: we don't give them Creative-copyrighted code |
| 15:20:49 | Bagderr | markun: well in their case the guy seems to provide Creative's code |
| 15:20:52 | Bagderr | we don't |
| 15:21:05 | Bagderr | so I can see how he could be argued to "sell" Creative code |
| 15:21:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes, all of our code is written from scratch, correct? |
| 15:21:22 | Bagderr | correctomente |
| 15:21:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | So what's Creative so worried about? |
| 15:21:52 | Bagderr | LambdaCalculus37: we're comparing us with the Creative driver case mentioned above |
| 15:22:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | Bagderr: Ahh. |
| 15:22:20 | petur | LambdaCalculus37: the modified drivers enabled features that they didn't want enabled for certain cards |
| 15:22:37 | Bagderr | well, _that_ we might be able to do too |
| 15:22:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | petur: But if they didn't want this to happen, they should've enabled those features to begin with. |
| 15:22:54 | petur | features in their code, I think |
| 15:23:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | Is there anything we have that the Creative players don't? |
| 15:23:27 | * | LambdaCalculus37 goes through the checklist |
| 15:23:31 | Bagderr | a lot I'd guess |
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| 15:23:40 | Bagderr | but not that they would have a case about |
| 15:23:55 | Bagderr | "we decided not to enable doom but you guys did!" |
| 15:24:06 | markun | Bagderr: I can understand that they don't like him to modify their drivers, but I don't see what the problem is with people donating money to that guy. |
| 15:24:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | markun: I doubt he pockets any of that money very much. |
| 15:24:26 | Bagderr | markun: I think the big mistake was for him to distribute their stuff |
| 15:24:35 | markun | yes |
| 15:24:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | Like us, it's probably just for bandwidth and server costs. |
| 15:24:50 | Bagderr | he should've made a patch tool and distributed that |
| 15:25:03 | Bagderr | it would've been a lot harder for creative to argue against |
| 15:25:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | I think that would've been a smarter way of distributing the enhancements, rather than directly touching upon the drivers. |
| 15:25:50 | Bagderr | of course it would also make it slightly harder for users |
| 15:25:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | Bagderr: And yes, Creative wouldn't really have any ground to stand on if he did so. |
| 15:26:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | Bagderr: Also, didn't we have to do a similar thing with the iriver H100/H300 firmwares? |
| 15:26:52 | Bagderr | we do, yes |
| 15:27:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | Distribute an external app that patches the firmware with the bootloader for Rockbox, which you then flash back to your device. |
| 15:27:41 | * | Bagderr pats us on our back - oh man we are good! ;-) |
| 15:27:49 | markun | :) |
| 15:27:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | See, we did the smart thing! |
| 15:28:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | Just download an app, point it to the drivers, click Patch... done! |
| 15:28:26 | * | JdGordon points to the mi4 collection on haxx.se and thinks the halo needs polishing... |
| 15:28:42 | Bagderr | they're not distributed by Rockbox... |
| 15:29:02 | Bagderr | and they're unaltered |
| 15:29:05 | JdGordon | i didnt say whos halo... |
| 15:29:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | And never removed from the package. :) |
| 15:29:16 | JdGordon | its still redistrobuting their ip |
| 15:29:25 | JdGordon | which may be against their aggrements |
| 15:29:32 | Bagderr | indeed |
| 15:30:30 | Bagderr | but it is on purpose hosted by me and not strictly associated with Rockbox |
| 15:30:51 | markun | Bagderr: poor guy :) http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&message.id=120062#M120062 |
| 15:31:38 | Bagderr | :-) |
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| 15:32:43 | Bagderr | I like the comparison with number of US troops killed in Iraq |
| 15:32:50 | Bagderr | seems very... reasonable |
| 15:33:33 | plb | hm so how's the progress with the d2 coming along? |
| 15:33:58 | Bagderr | plb: seems to be moving ahead pretty good, there's now even three D2 builds in the build table |
| 15:34:29 | Bagderr | but I think shotofadds might feel a bit lonely at times |
| 15:34:29 | plb | that's great...I can't wait to test it out |
| 15:34:36 | plb | heh |
| 15:34:43 | plb | why is that? |
| 15:35:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | I think he's about the only one doing all of the dirty work. |
| 15:35:18 | amiconn | Bagder: Yeah, with exactly 42 (!) warnings... that's for sure on purpose... |
| 15:35:41 | plb | ah...well he's got a lot of support in the iaudiophile forums ;] |
| 15:35:44 | * | gevaerts expects the D2 splashcreen to say something about panic |
| 15:35:56 | JdGordon | bah, target specific warinngs are nothing to be scared of! |
| 15:35:57 | Nico_P | whats the deal with 42? |
| 15:36:13 | petur | Nico_P: read a book... |
| 15:36:25 | Bagderr | and get the answer |
| 15:36:27 | gevaerts | Book ? Listen to the radio series ! |
| 15:36:28 | Bagderr | but not the question |
| 15:36:42 | JdGordon | dont spoil it! |
| 15:36:47 | dionoea | :) |
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| 15:37:14 | * | Bagderr whistles |
| 15:37:22 | JdGordon | a few more builds and ill have to upgrade my monitor again... |
| 15:37:23 | Nico_P | hehe now I know |
| 15:37:29 | Bagderr | plb: "support" is not what we need on the D2, code and skill are |
| 15:37:32 | JdGordon | damn wide screen 20" just doesnt cut it anymore |
| 15:37:58 | * | petur explains JdGordon that resolution counts, not size |
| 15:38:02 | plb | Bagderr: well I can't help on that one ;] |
| 15:38:05 | Bagderr | but shotofadds is doing great I think |
| 15:38:29 | JdGordon | damn 1680px width res just doesnt cut it anymore |
| 15:38:34 | plb | yep |
| 15:38:45 | Bagderr | JdGordon: 8pt font! |
| 15:39:11 | petur | bah... 20" and just 1680px? |
| 15:39:22 | Nico_P | Bagderr: what did you answer to the proposal to separate build types? |
| 15:39:35 | * | Nico_P has 1680 in 15"4 |
| 15:39:56 | * | petur has 1920x1200 in 15"4 |
| 15:40:10 | Bagderr | Nico_P: I don't think I answered that at all... |
| 15:40:15 | * | gevaerts has only 1400x1050 in that size |
| 15:40:15 | Nico_P | petur: what make is that? |
| 15:40:20 | Bagderr | but yes, the build table needs something |
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| 15:40:30 | petur | dell latitude D820 |
| 15:41:09 | petur | Nico_P: the nice thing is that the resolution prevents you from programming after drinking too many beers :) |
| 15:41:10 | Nico_P | I thought that kind of resolution was only available with at least 17" |
| 15:41:16 | Nico_P | hehe |
| 15:41:20 | Bagderr | unfortunately, resoluion isn't everything |
| 15:41:29 | Bagderr | I've seen so crappy dell 1920 screens |
| 15:41:37 | Bagderr | that I didn't dare buying one |
| 15:41:57 | petur | Bagderr: did you look at mine last devcon? |
| 15:42:25 | Bagderr | not very closely to compare with others, no |
| 15:43:06 | | Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon|zzz (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) |
| 15:43:11 | Bagderr | I've seen two other ones that both looked a lot worse than my current 1680x1050 15.4" |
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| 15:43:38 | Nico_P | Bagderr: you have an asus F3Jm, don't you? |
| 15:43:43 | Bagderr | I do, yes |
| 15:43:50 | Nico_P | same as mine :) |
| 15:44:24 | Nico_P | the screen is really nice but it does weird things somtimes |
| 15:44:34 | Bagderr | it does? like what? |
| 15:46:48 | Nico_P | I get some artifacts... white pixels on a black bg produce a red outline and some pixels in white areas become cyan |
| 15:46:53 | Nico_P | it comes and goes |
| 15:47:04 | Bagderr | I have nothing of that |
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| 15:47:37 | Nico_P | yeah I didn't find much about it in my research, I'm probably just unlucky ;) |
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| 15:50:27 | LinusN | my f3j suffers from (the apparently common) broken headphone detection :-( |
| 15:50:56 | Nico_P | ah I got that one too. sending it for repair went fine |
| 15:51:06 | LinusN | will send it in soon myself |
| 15:52:41 | Bagderr | I don't think I ever tried that ;-) |
| 15:53:12 | LinusN | :-) |
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| 15:59:26 | Spex | guys u are the best :D |
| 15:59:39 | Spex | your firmware is fuqqin awsome |
| 15:59:41 | Spex | thx alot |
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| 16:03:02 | Bagderr | you're welcome! |
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| 16:09:23 | Bagderr | I wonder if we perhaps can come up with a build table concept that hides the zero-builds for the typical use-case |
| 16:09:47 | Bagderr | since as long as they're zero, very few people wants to investigate them clsoer |
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| 16:11:00 | pixelma | I sometimes look for the build server info there if there is something odd in the delta table |
| 16:11:37 | Bagderr | it'd still be available but perhaps a click away or something |
| 16:11:50 | Bagderr | just thinking out loud |
| 16:12:10 | markun | Bagderr: http://www.meizume.com/rockbox/5919-structure-infomation-block-nandboot-m6sl.html#post59513 |
| 16:12:14 | Bagderr | I'm not sure splitting the table in more than one is the best idea |
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| 16:13:13 | Bagderr | markun: aha |
| 16:13:57 | markun | Bagderr: although I have no idea which nand util he is talking about |
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| 16:16:44 | markun | Bagderr: I do see a NandUtility.dll in the folder of Samsung's DFU Manager |
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| 16:39:15 | low_light | Can someone make me a custom e200tool build? |
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| 16:41:02 | toffe82 | low_light: did you receive your gogear sa 9200 ? |
| 16:41:07 | low_light | toffe82: hi. got my gogear sa9200. |
| 16:41:12 | low_light | :) |
| 16:41:28 | low_light | I documented the recovery and service modes in the wiki |
| 16:41:38 | toffe82 | did you try to do something with it ? |
| 16:42:24 | low_light | Not yet. I was going to see if the e200tool works on it |
| 16:42:28 | markun | low_light: how did you find them? |
| 16:43:36 | low_light | there was a google video toffe82 found that gave the clue |
| 16:43:41 | toffe82 | to update, you don't need the udater from philips, you just have to copy the file in the system folder |
| 16:44:30 | toffe82 | the recovery works ? I couldn't make it works ??? |
| 16:45:07 | toffe82 | 15 seconds ;) perhaps I didn't wait enough |
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| 16:45:41 | low_light | yeah. the player seems to go into a suspend mode if you don't hold it long enough |
| 16:46:00 | * | LambdaCalculus37 goes to look at the GoGearSA9200 wiki page |
| 16:46:19 | sneeze | has rockbox had many sumemr of code applications yet? |
| 16:46:35 | scorche|sh | sure :) |
| 16:46:53 | toffe82 | low_light: so you think you can get a copy of the bootloader ? |
| 16:47:19 | toffe82 | markun: did you receive the connectros ? |
| 16:47:36 | toffe82 | connectors ^^ |
| 16:47:44 | scorche|sh | toffe82: i did...thanks :) |
| 16:47:50 | markun | toffe82: no, not yet |
| 16:48:00 | scorche|sh | i found it amusing how "TOP" is actually the bottom though... |
| 16:48:12 | * | gevaerts got them this morning, but didn't look closely at them yet |
| 16:48:24 | gevaerts | sneeze: are you interested in a project ? |
| 16:48:31 | toffe82 | scorche|sh: ?? |
| 16:48:35 | sneeze | gevaerts: yeah, i have one in mind |
| 16:48:54 | sneeze | i don't think it's enough for a summer project though |
| 16:48:57 | low_light | toffe82: my hope is that e200tool can. |
| 16:48:59 | scorche|sh | toffe82: well, the lettering of TOP is face down |
| 16:49:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | sneeze: Well, pull up a chair and have a cup of coffee, and tell us. :) |
| 16:49:10 | scorche|sh | one would think otherwise, but /shrug |
| 16:49:14 | * | LambdaCalculus37 gives sneeze a cup of coffee |
| 16:49:22 | markun | sneeze: what would you like to work on? |
| 16:49:23 | sneeze | Well alright |
| 16:49:27 | * | gevaerts goes to get a cup of coffee as well |
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| 16:49:50 | sneeze | I want to make a database editor of sorts, that lets you manage your songs right on the ipod |
| 16:49:57 | TheCompWiz | anyone know what causes the sansa to reboot when usb is plugged in? |
| 16:50:01 | sneeze | as far as renaming/deletion and moving things around |
| 16:50:01 | dionoea | Has a "coffee over IRC" rfc been published? |
| 16:50:22 | GodEater | TheCompWiz: it's intentional |
| 16:50:49 | markun | sneeze: changing the tags by moving the songs around in the database? |
| 16:50:51 | TheCompWiz | but devices *are* found in windows... (finds both the player & sd card) ... |
| 16:50:59 | markun | or moving file around in the filesystem? |
| 16:51:00 | TheCompWiz | right before it reboots anyway. |
| 16:51:18 | sneeze | markun: i mean editing the tags basically |
| 16:51:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | dionoea: How about writing a coffee brewing plugin for Rockbox? :) |
| 16:51:54 | markun | I think tag editing could be enough for the summer |
| 16:52:10 | dionoea | LambdaCalculus37: Does that require a hardware mod ? :) |
| 16:52:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | Just pick your preferred brew from a menu, then sit back and let it brew! |
| 16:52:18 | Bagderr | HTCPCP! |
| 16:52:22 | TheCompWiz | GodEater: any way to prevent a reboot? |
| 16:52:26 | gevaerts | TheCompWiz: they devices you see just before rebooting are not functional |
| 16:52:34 | TheCompWiz | ok. |
| 16:52:36 | sneeze | markun: awesome |
| 16:52:44 | TheCompWiz | how 'bout listening to music while charging? |
| 16:52:45 | markun | sneeze: but I'm not a mentor this year :) |
| 16:52:49 | GodEater | TheCompWiz: hold menu whilst plugging in |
| 16:53:07 | sneeze | markun: no worries man, i'm going to start on my application today |
| 16:53:08 | TheCompWiz | GodEater: tried that one... worked on previous builds... dosn't anymore. |
| 16:53:08 | dionoea | Bagderr: that wouldn't work over IRC though :/ |
| 16:53:09 | markun | so it depends on what others think of it. Write a nice proposal if you are serious about it. |
| 16:53:17 | Bagderr | dionoea: true, it needs some refinement |
| 16:53:26 | markun | sneeze: ok, good luck |
| 16:53:31 | sneeze | thanks :) |
| 16:53:37 | dionoea | Or maybe they have a hyper text on IRC spec somewhere |
| 16:54:23 | sneeze | markun: out of curiosity, when you were a mentor, what was the ratio of applications received vs. applications accepted? |
| 16:54:26 | sneeze | if you had to guess |
| 16:54:27 | gevaerts | sneeze: in case you didn't see it yet, please follow the template we put at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GSoCApplicationTemplate2008 . |
| 16:54:35 | low_light | Could someone make an e200tool build changing the vendor and product id's to 0x471 and 0x14f |
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| 16:54:59 | Bagderr | sneeze: last year we got 20 applications and got 4 slots assigned |
| 16:55:26 | markun_ | sneeze: nice webclient at mibbit.com! |
| 16:55:31 | gevaerts | TheCompWiz: what exact version are you using ? |
| 16:55:36 | sneeze | no doubt :) |
| 16:55:48 | TheCompWiz | e250 the "current build" as of today. |
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| 16:56:33 | GodEater | TheCompWiz: I've just tried it on my c240 - it appears "Select" is the thing to hold on that |
| 16:56:34 | TheCompWiz | r16913 |
| 16:56:39 | GodEater | can't speak for the e200 series though |
| 16:57:20 | TheCompWiz | just tried it 3 more times... still no go. |
| 16:57:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | TheCompWiz: Maybe a Sansa e200 owner could tell you the exact button. |
| 16:58:02 | * | LambdaCalculus37 has a c240; no e200 devices |
| 16:58:19 | TheCompWiz | LambdaCalculus37: it used to be the menu button... which did work in the past... but dosn't now. |
| 16:58:25 | gevaerts | TheCompWiz: LambdaCalculus37 he said that it works on previous versions, so I assume he knows... |
| 16:58:45 | TheCompWiz | it got moved to the select button :( not the menu button. |
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| 16:58:52 | TheCompWiz | found it at least. |
| 16:58:56 | Spex | guys i have a divied by zero error |
| 16:59:03 | Spex | and cant turn off my sansa e200 |
| 16:59:13 | Spex | what can i do? |
| 16:59:15 | Spex | ??? |
| 16:59:19 | TheCompWiz | push & hold the power button for about 30-sec |
| 16:59:24 | TheCompWiz | it will turn off. |
| 16:59:29 | Spex | woot 30 sec? |
| 16:59:39 | TheCompWiz | yep |
| 16:59:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | 30 seconds. |
| 16:59:45 | Spex | lol nice |
| 16:59:47 | Spex | it worked |
| 16:59:54 | markun | that was fast |
| 16:59:55 | sneeze | Does anyone else have any feedback on my tag editor idea? |
| 16:59:55 | Spex | thx alot |
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| 17:00:13 | Spex | guys is there a bmp viewer or smth |
| 17:00:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | Spec: Less on the shorthand and more regular English, please. |
| 17:00:30 | * | LambdaCalculus37 points to the IRC guidelines: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines |
| 17:00:57 | markun | sneeze: tag writing in general would be nice. Also for a replaygain plugin for example. |
| 17:01:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | Spex: There's Rockpaint, which can (sort of) function as a bitmap viewer. |
| 17:01:09 | * | TheCompWiz hates l337 sp33k... plz 2 lurn 2 spek teh english. kthxbye. |
| 17:01:31 | Spex | ya but when i try to open a bmp file with a plugin i dont see the rockpaint plugin |
| 17:01:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | Spex: What device are you using? |
| 17:01:55 | Spex | e200 |
| 17:01:57 | Spex | sansa |
| 17:02:00 | TheCompWiz | (10:59:03 AM) Spex: and cant turn off my sansa e200 |
| 17:02:17 | Spex | i already turned off |
| 17:02:26 | Spex | thx it worked |
| 17:02:56 | Spex | ah well |
| 17:03:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | Spex: Righty right then. Hold SELECT to go into the context menu, and Select Open With... > rockpaint. |
| 17:03:11 | Spex | ya found it |
| 17:03:20 | Spex | wow u have all players infront of u? |
| 17:03:32 | * | TheCompWiz hates l337 sp33k... plz 2 lurn 2 spek teh english. kthxbye. |
| 17:03:36 | * | gevaerts reminds Spex of the Y, O, and U keys |
| 17:03:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | Spex: Is your keyboard busted? |
| 17:04:06 | Spex | ups sorry guys |
| 17:04:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | And no, I only have five supported players, three of which are iPods. |
| 17:04:16 | Spex | i'll use "you" now |
| 17:04:16 | TheCompWiz | oops is spelled with 2 o's |
| 17:04:16 | Spex | :D |
| 17:04:56 | Spex | it's in me sometimes i do write "u" in english exams :D |
| 17:05:06 | Spex | 1337 for live ^^ |
| 17:05:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | Just because I do help desk doesn't always mean that my mantra is "I read the manuals so you don't have to". ;) |
| 17:05:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | Spex: Well, we don't allow shorthand English or 1337-sp33k here. |
| 17:05:41 | TheCompWiz | dang LambdaCalculus37... how am I going to continue to be lazy? what the heck man! |
| 17:05:57 | Spex | ya ok i understood |
| 17:06:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | Some of our visitors are either visually impaired or don't speak English natively, and use screen translators to read the site and channels. |
| 17:06:10 | TheCompWiz | reading manuals??? isn't that supposed to be the last-resort? |
| 17:06:12 | Spex | or is "ya" also shorthanded? |
| 17:06:17 | scorche|sh | it is |
| 17:06:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | So please show them a little respect. |
| 17:06:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | TheCompWiz: We tell people to. We're not robots running 24/7 tech support here. |
| 17:07:05 | Spex | i show them alot of respect. they made me a better live |
| 17:07:06 | TheCompWiz | you're not? ... so much for my oil-can Christmas present |
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| 17:07:30 | Spex | this rockbox is really great stuff |
| 17:07:35 | markun | thanks |
| 17:07:59 | Spex | i was very frusttrated because my sansa e200 only sorts music by its id3-tags |
| 17:08:15 | Spex | i was looking for a patch that sorts by folders |
| 17:08:21 | * | TheCompWiz thinks the sarcasm isn't quite thick enough yet. |
| 17:08:33 | * | LambdaCalculus37 cuts the sarcasm with a knife |
| 17:08:42 | Spex | and now i have a fully new firmware that supports so much more |
| 17:08:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | Spex: Have a look at our lovely manual: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-build.html |
| 17:08:48 | Spex | and also little games |
| 17:08:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | Many of the answers are in it! |
| 17:09:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | And it's made from a space-age polymer plastic for years of enjoyment! :) |
| 17:09:08 | Spex | i have no answer :D |
| 17:09:17 | TheCompWiz | Anyone know if there's a user interface for making the play lists? (outside of the internal one) |
| 17:09:43 | Spex | *i have no question |
| 17:09:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | TheCompWiz: Yeah, a standard text editor. |
| 17:09:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | The playlists are M3U formatted. |
| 17:10:08 | Spex | !me thanks all rockbox developers |
| 17:10:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | Just make sure all of the paths in the playlists are correct! |
| 17:10:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | Spex: Off-topic, but IRC commands are /command. |
| 17:10:50 | Spex | uhm long time i used it |
| 17:11:07 | * | LambdaCalculus37 gets back on topic |
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| 17:11:12 | Spex | right the "!" is for like status page or smth |
| 17:11:17 | markun | LambdaCalculus37: beer? |
| 17:11:21 | * | Spex thanks for all :D |
| 17:11:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | markun: Beer! |
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| 17:18:32 | langhaarrocker | Since quite a while there's a 'new' recording trigger feature Trigtype. Is there a reason why the options haven't been combined with the options of the "Trigger" settings? |
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| 17:40:44 | pondlife | Bagder: Why not split the build table. Users generally only care about the target build, but devs need to know they didn't break any bootloaders or sims.. 3 tables would work for me. |
| 17:41:45 | markun | pondlife: do users care about the build table? |
| 17:42:09 | pondlife | Probably not, but Bagder's earlier comment... |
| 17:42:12 | * | pondlife hunts |
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| 17:43:27 | pondlife | Ah, I misread "user-..." not "use-case". |
| 17:43:57 | pondlife | I like the idea of green, rather than just hiding the good builds in some way. |
| 17:47:16 | pixelma | the color of hope? :) |
| 17:47:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: The color of a happy planet? :) |
| 17:49:05 | gevaerts | The color of poison ? :) |
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| 17:52:40 | Rincewind | gevaerts: I read in the logs that we have a couple more theme editor gsoc apps now. |
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| 17:52:55 | Rincewind | what do you think, do I have to fear them? |
| 17:53:07 | tweakism | Is there a real USB stack for rockbox, perhaps in SVN or something? |
| 17:53:18 | scorche|sh | nope...it is fake |
| 17:53:21 | tweakism | :/ |
| 17:53:23 | GodEater | it's all pretend |
| 17:53:23 | tweakism | man that sucks. |
| 17:53:34 | scorche|sh | an illusion of the mind even |
| 17:53:40 | GodEater | a hallucination |
| 17:53:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | It never existed. |
| 17:53:55 | tweakism | ... are you being sarcastic? |
| 17:54:01 | GodEater | somewhat |
| 17:54:02 | gevaerts | tweakism: there is a work in progress |
| 17:54:02 | GodEater | :D |
| 17:54:21 | tweakism | gevaerts: is it possible to load MP3s using the current existing USB functionality, perhaps in SVN? |
| 17:55:05 | GodEater | tweakism: yes it is |
| 17:55:10 | GodEater | tweakism: but it's very slow |
| 17:55:15 | tweakism | I see. |
| 17:55:28 | tweakism | Well no great loss. I should buy a microSD SDHC card anyway |
| 17:55:29 | pixelma | tweakism: what player are you talking about, by the way? |
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| 17:55:43 | tweakism | sansa c240, it looks like the USB stuff may not be implemented at all for it anyway. |
| 17:55:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | tweakism: Give it time; it needs polish. |
| 17:56:02 | tweakism | yeah I can wait. |
| 17:56:05 | tweakism | I just thought perhaps.. |
| 17:56:40 | gevaerts | Rincewind: of course you have to fear them :) I don't really like to compare applications right now though |
| 17:57:09 | gevaerts | tweakism: have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb for current status information |
| 17:57:20 | tweakism | gevaerts: thank you. |
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| 17:58:07 | Rincewind | ok, then I just wait and see. I can't change anything now anyway. Stupid deadline extension :( |
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| 18:00:11 | gevaerts | Rincewind: If you want to make some changes, I guess a comment from one of the mentors should do the trick. And if it's any consolation, all current theme editor proposals were submitted before the original deadline |
| 18:01:50 | Rincewind | gevaerts: yes, but now the other's have time to polish their applications. I don't have much time because I have a very important exam this friday. And then vacation. |
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| 18:06:00 | Rincewind | well. I stop complaining now. Competition makes it interesting :) |
| 18:07:17 | gevaerts | :) I do understand your feelings though... |
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| 18:09:39 | * | scorche|sh wonders when Lenovo will roll out the new version of their ultraportable |
| 18:09:48 | scorche|sh | oh whoops...wrong channel |
| 18:10:26 | * | Rincewind likes the X300 too, except the price |
| 18:10:42 | scorche|sh | hush and move to the other channel =/ |
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| 18:15:46 | tweakism | well thanks for your help guys |
| 18:15:53 | tweakism | mucho gracias |
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| 18:20:50 | markun | toffe82: got the connectors! thanks |
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| 18:21:47 | toffe82 | markun: don't forget, do not plug them without modify them |
| 18:22:36 | scorche|sh | toffe82: i need to order the other ends of the cable, so it will be a little bit before i actually use them |
| 18:23:12 | ChristopherW | I have some WPS files that used to work a few days ago (build r16873 or earlier) but now some of the images don't display (progress bar, background, etc.). Did something change recently with the loading/displaying of bitmaps in the WPS? |
| 18:26:12 | pixelma | yes, the WPS parser got a little stricter again, check for syntax errors like missing closing | . Actually such a "broken" WPS shouldn't show up but it still does but not the things which are wrong (and in my experience the backdrop was missing too) |
| 18:27:22 | toffe82 | scorche|sh: what are you building ? |
| 18:27:24 | ChristopherW | I looked at the .wps file and it seems to be correct, eg, it uses "%X|backdrop.bmp|", just as the manual says |
| 18:28:01 | ChristopherW | maybe the BMP loader doesn't load 24 bpp images anymore? |
| 18:28:06 | pixelma | ChristopherW: and the other bitmaps? Maybe you could pastebin the code... |
| 18:28:14 | pixelma | it does |
| 18:28:58 | ChristopherW | I'm using the iPod_sansa theme from rockbox-themes |
| 18:29:13 | ChristopherW | I fixed up a few things in it, though |
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| 18:31:45 | pixelma | I would take a quick look if I could read it in a pastebin but I'm not willing to download a theme for a player I don't have |
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| 18:32:11 | ChristopherW | I'm pastebinning it right now. It's only on my player so I had to get it first :) |
| 18:32:43 | ChristopherW | ok, here it is: http://pastebin.com/m127267bc |
| 18:32:43 | scorche|sh | toffe82: just a line out dock |
| 18:32:50 | scorche|sh | for now at least |
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| 18:34:01 | ChristopherW | The backdrop should be loaded on line 46, and the progress bar image should be loaded/displayed on lines 39 and 41, but none of the images actually display |
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| 18:34:55 | ChristopherW | I did check to make sure those image files still existed in the right directory too, and I can open them with Rockpaint with no problem. |
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| 18:36:43 | pixelma | hmm... can't find something obvious |
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| 18:38:34 | pixelma | ChristopherW: do you have a simulator you could check with? |
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| 18:39:22 | ChristopherW | I have a simulator, let me find it |
| 18:40:07 | pixelma | should be as up-to-date as the build is you're using |
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| 18:42:30 | handmadematters | Hmm, Are only that images not showing up you load in the middle of the code (pbBar, backdrop) or isnt appearing any image |
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| 18:43:37 | ChristopherW | some of the images appear, such as the play/pause indicator, volume indicator, etc. |
| 18:43:57 | ChristopherW | basically I think all of the pre-loaded images (%xl and %xd) show up |
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| 18:44:04 | handmadematters | Then try to define the images which arent showing up also in the top section... |
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| 18:47:22 | pixelma | ChristopherW, handmadematters: I don't think that will make a difference. My only guess now was that one of the bitmap names wasn't right (because I couldn't spot something in the syntax), but you said you already checked that |
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| 18:48:41 | ChristopherW | I'm going to have to come back once I get the simulator working properly in Linux (it doesn't see any files in the file browser, for one thing) |
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| 18:49:47 | domonoky | ChristopherW: do you have copied any files int to the virtual root dir of the sim ? |
| 18:50:47 | ChristopherW | I don't know where the files are supposed to go in my "real" file system |
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| 18:52:26 | ChristopherW | where does the simulator look for its files? |
| 18:52:28 | amiconn | hi DerPapst |
| 18:52:34 | domonoky | in the dir where you run the sim, there should be an dir named "archos" (is it still archos ?) this is the virtual root of the simulated player |
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| 18:52:42 | amiconn | DerPapst: Do you have results from your other 3rd Gen? |
| 18:53:19 | ChristopherW | there is a directory called "archos" with a ".rockbox" directory that is filled with other files already |
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| 18:53:31 | ChristopherW | but they don't show up in the sim |
| 18:53:57 | domonoky | the .rockbox dir is hidden in rockbox, unless you change the file view to "all" |
| 18:54:17 | ChristopherW | ohhhh.... I guess I forgot about that setting |
| 18:54:23 | pixelma | bluebrother, domonoky: if you have some time... the way voice files are now offered has changed today (they will be in a zip with the correct file structure so that people just need to unzip them). Could you take a look into changing rbutil accordingly? The plain files are still there so that it won't break any rbutil functionality as of yet but would be nice... |
| 18:55:11 | domonoky | pixelma: thanks for noting, i will take a loog when i find time for it.. |
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| 18:55:49 | DerPapst | amiconn: not yet. i'll try to test something today but i can't promise. have to prepare lots of stuff for tomorrow. If i can't test it today anymore i will do it tomorrow. |
| 18:56:03 | pixelma | domonoky: thanks, I wanted to change the description in the manual but I am busy with the iCatcher changes at the moment |
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| 18:57:17 | ChristopherW | I put the wps file and directory under the sim's .rockbox/wps directory, then I tried to play a song so I can see the WPS, but the simulator crashed when I did that |
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| 18:58:40 | ChristopherW | I really need to compile the simulator natively for Linux instead of using Wine on the Window$ version. |
| 18:59:31 | domonoky | ChristopherW: its probably a problem with the sim accessing the soundcard, its known to segfault, if soundcard access fails |
| 18:59:50 | ChristopherW | that's probably the problem |
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| 19:02:11 | * | DerPapst charges his 2nd 3G for some test later... still need to figure out why the test plugin doesn't want to compile |
| 19:02:43 | Nico_P | ChristopherW: you can also try with checkwps |
| 19:02:49 | Nico_P | it's easier to compile |
| 19:02:49 | bertrik | it doesn't compile you mean? |
| 19:03:00 | bertrik | nvm |
| 19:03:15 | ChristopherW | ok, I tested it in the simulator (build r16908), and the WPS doesn't show the backdrop either. |
| 19:03:44 | ChristopherW | I can see the WPS just before the simulator dies |
| 19:04:15 | bertrik | DerPapst: I won't mind helping a bit |
| 19:05:26 | pixelma | ChristopherW: I think it's not even need to play music in the sim - if you load the WPS you can see what the WPS parser does (and complains about) in the console |
| 19:05:31 | pixelma | *needed |
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| 19:05:59 | Nico_P | ChristopherW: look at the messages that get printed in the sim... is there an error message somewhere? |
| 19:06:29 | ChristopherW | there are a lot of messages about "We open the real file ..." and so on, so I have to filter through all that |
| 19:07:10 | DerPapst | bertrik: well i enabled the test_scanrate plugin in apps/plugins/SOURCES and it just doesn't get compiled. |
| 19:07:20 | gevaerts | bertrik: you were right about this usb document describing what windows does (i.e. it is correct). I do still maintain though that although it is within spec, this behaviour is insane |
| 19:07:44 | DerPapst | bertrik: i put it right below mazzeam.c (or whatever it is spelled) |
| 19:07:53 | * | gevaerts sometimes has strong opinions |
| 19:08:02 | Nico_P | ChristopherW: that's whay I was suggesting checkwps too, it's focused on the WOS |
| 19:08:06 | Nico_P | *WPS |
| 19:08:14 | * | bertrik agrees on the window USB behaviour being insane |
| 19:08:19 | ChristopherW | I'm getting checkwps right now |
| 19:08:25 | bertrik | DerPapst: I'll try it out here too |
| 19:08:58 | Nico_P | ChristopherW: it's in tools/checkwps |
| 19:09:23 | ChristopherW | oh, it might be a good idea for me to get the whole source code, right? |
| 19:09:28 | Nico_P | yes |
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| 19:10:17 | * | pixelma would have thought there is already something useful in the sim output |
| 19:10:54 | ChristopherW | well, I didn't see any lines mentioning "We open the real file 'archos/.rockbox/wps/iPod_Sansa/brushed.bmp'" |
| 19:11:09 | ChristopherW | I saw every other BMP file mentioned though |
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| 19:11:53 | bertrik | DerPapst: it does get compiled on my system (v16913) if i put it below mazezam.c, I'll see if it's actually accessible on the player. I have a sansa e200 BTW |
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| 19:12:01 | ChristopherW | and apparently it's missing the file "vbr.bmp", but that shouldn't make the backdrop not work. |
| 19:12:32 | Nico_P | ChristopherW: actually that's considered a WPS error |
| 19:13:01 | DerPapst | bertrik: test_scanrate only works on bitmap grayscale and mono tartets |
| 19:13:14 | ChristopherW | so would that make the backdrop and progress bar fail to load? |
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| 19:13:26 | DerPapst | but that it gets processed make is test and prove enough already. |
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| 19:13:28 | pixelma | ChristopherW: what about the "pbar.bmp"? And as I said earlier - if it can't find one bmp, the WPS should be completely rejected. Currently that's not working correctly and I saw the same effect that the backdrop will be missing in this case |
| 19:13:56 | ChristopherW | so the WPS parser now stops on the first file it can't find? |
| 19:13:57 | pixelma | it could, yes |
| 19:14:14 | * | Nico_P goes to see if he can fix what pixelma said |
| 19:14:55 | Nico_P | also, it seems checkwps is currently not very useful for scanning the wps files in wps/ |
| 19:15:04 | ChristopherW | ok, I ran the checkwps.e200 program and it also says that the vbr.bmp file is missing |
| 19:15:12 | pixelma | Nico_P: I told linuxstb_ yesterday and he said someone already told him and he was putting it on his todo list |
| 19:15:36 | pixelma | but if you get around doing it first... :) |
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| 19:16:10 | Nico_P | ChristopherW: then you should think of correcting that :) |
| 19:16:11 | ChristopherW | That checkwps tool is really useful! It's good to use on WPS themes that I develop (and to fix others' themes) |
| 19:17:41 | ChristopherW | I already had to fix a few broken tags in the iPod_Sansa WPS. It seems the author didn't test it before he uploaded it to rockbox-themes, just as he didn't test other themes either :/ |
| 19:17:46 | * | gevaerts thinks that this might be an intended feature of checkwps :) |
| 19:17:56 | bertrik | hmm, framerate in the test_fps plugin on my sansa is a little higher than it used to be :P |
| 19:18:24 | ChristopherW | where is the test_fps plugin? |
| 19:18:25 | pixelma | ChristopherW: the WPS parser got stricter by time. Probably the theme was working when it was created. |
| 19:19:21 | domonoky | ChristopherW: test plugins are not compiled by default, you have to add it to the correct SOURCES file |
| 19:19:22 | ChristopherW | well, there were a few letters that were not preceded with "%" but were supposed to, so the WPS ended up showing "m b y" or something like that |
| 19:19:36 | ChristopherW | ... instead of the current date |
| 19:20:13 | domonoky | ChristopherW: thats because the WPS tag for the date has changed over time :-) |
| 19:20:14 | pixelma | the tags for clock formatting also changed |
| 19:20:26 | ChristopherW | oh really? |
| 19:20:32 | ChristopherW | that is very interesting |
| 19:22:05 | ChristopherW | the original had the text "%ca e b Yc". Was that a valid date tag? |
| 19:22:05 | wooster | I'm new to RockBox, I recently put it on my Sansa c260 and love it. You all have done an amazing job. I have a retail question that I hope isn't out of line... |
| 19:22:08 | wooster | I would like to get a sansa "e2xx" model for the larger screen, but I notice that there are two flavors and RockBox only works on the ver. 1 (firmware 1.xx, not firmware 3.xx) flavor. Buy.com has refurb Sansa e2xx models but they say "supports audible file format" in the description, which is one of the disqualifying identifiers for Rockbox. Also I note that Rockbox lists $40-70 dollars for price range on these E series players and I can't find one that price |
| 19:22:41 | BigBambi | wooster: Audible doesn't have to mean v2 |
| 19:22:51 | wooster | Oh, ok that's good to know. |
| 19:22:57 | BigBambi | Some people have received a v1 whilst it says audible support on the box |
| 19:23:17 | wooster | interesting.. here's what the Buy.com page says btw : "Compatibility: This e260 supports MP3, WMA and Audible formats with up to 20 hours of battery life. |
| 19:23:20 | BigBambi | Having said that, I think the chances are it will be a v2 with audible advertising, it just isn't quite 100% |
| 19:23:24 | wooster | http://www.buy.com/prod/sandisk-sansa-e260-4gb-mp3-player-fm-tuner-fm-on-the-fly-recording/q/loc/111/205537110.html#cRevSec |
| 19:23:32 | wooster | BigBambi, thanks. |
| 19:23:40 | ChristopherW | likewise, sometimes the player says "e280r" and "Rhapsody" on the back, but it's not really a Rhapsody model. |
| 19:23:56 | wooster | I have to say I just recently bought my c260 at buy.com refurb and was lucky that by chance it was ver1 |
| 19:24:00 | BigBambi | wooster: I suspect that probably is v2, but it is next to pimpossible to say without knowing the firmware version |
| 19:24:24 | BigBambi | haha |
| 19:24:25 | ChristopherW | I nearly pulled my hair out trying to put the e200r version of Rockbox on my non-Rhapsody Sansa! |
| 19:24:27 | wooster | BigBambi, yeah that's kidna what I figured.. I called them and the salespeople didn't know the firmwar version..as I figured |
| 19:24:36 | BigBambi | s/pimpossible/impossible :) |
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| 19:24:42 | wooster | hah :> |
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| 19:25:12 | wooster | so I'm kinda out of luck, maybe I should go for a different player altogether. but I like several things about the sansas with rockbox (recording, nice color screen for video, etc) |
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| 19:25:49 | BigBambi | wooster: The $40 - $70 dollars will be from places like woot, or bigpockets |
| 19:25:50 | advcomp2019 | wooster, most refurbs i have heard are v1s so fars |
| 19:26:05 | wooster | woot or bigpockets, ok thanks, never heard of them but will look, thanks bambi |
| 19:26:09 | BigBambi | Yeah, refurbs have so far tended to be v1, but again it is largely luck |
| 19:26:12 | wooster | and advcomp2019, thanks for htat info |
| 19:26:14 | BigBambi | wooster: Where are you? |
| 19:26:15 | ChristopherW | My dad would also like to put Rockbox on his Sansa e280 (he wanted me to be a guinea pig first :P), but his might actually be a Rhapsody model |
| 19:26:19 | wooster | BigB in NYC |
| 19:26:33 | BigBambi | wooster: Woot is a US site, bigpockets is UK |
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| 19:26:41 | wooster | bigB thanks |
| 19:26:53 | BigBambi | woot periodically has them (it is the one that has a different thing everyday), so it is pot luck |
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| 19:27:19 | wooster | Okay thanks BigB |
| 19:27:21 | BigBambi | ChristopherW: Rhapsody is not a problem :) |
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| 19:27:37 | * | BigBambi pats the forums |
| 19:27:55 | BigBambi | pixelma: Hmmm, less successful this time :( |
| 19:28:29 | wooster | Okay well maybe I'll roll the dice on a refurb being v.1 from buy.com, but may wait and look at woot for a while too |
| 19:28:29 | advcomp2019 | ChristopherW, i have an e280R and i have rockbox on it |
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| 19:28:44 | wooster | I do want to commend all of you for the increidlbe product ROckbox |
| 19:28:44 | * | pixelma tries complaining in here... what's up with the forums lately? |
| 19:29:04 | ChristopherW | well it's good to know that Rhapsody is not a problem |
| 19:29:06 | BigBambi | pixelma: Dunno. They've gone back to being hella unreliable after being better for a bit |
| 19:29:09 | wooster | I was incredibly frustrated about my c260 which is why I put RockBox on it.. and it transformed it into really a joy to use |
| 19:29:11 | BigBambi | wooster: :) Cheers |
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| 19:29:18 | wooster | so you folks are amazing |
| 19:29:21 | ChristopherW | advcomp2019: is yours really a Rhapsody model? |
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| 19:29:39 | pixelma | whoa... wooster: where did you get a c260 from? ;) |
| 19:29:51 | * | LambdaCalculus37 wants to see this c260 ;) |
| 19:29:55 | wooster | pixel.. refurb from buy.com :> verycheap! |
| 19:30:29 | ChristopherW | Rockbox doesn't work at all on the Sansa clip, right? |
| 19:30:30 | advcomp2019 | ChristopherW, yea because i bought it new about one year ago from best buy and it has sansa firmware v1.02.165 |
| 19:30:37 | BigBambi | ChristopherW: Nope |
| 19:30:41 | BigBambi | (not yet) |
| 19:30:42 | pixelma | a c260 would have 4GB internal memory according to Sandisk's logic? |
| 19:30:56 | BigBambi | haha - Sandisk's logic :) |
| 19:31:00 | wooster | pixel, it's 2 Gb and an SD slot |
| 19:31:07 | BigBambi | c250 then, no? |
| 19:31:10 | wooster | I think it's 260, I forget the exact model |
| 19:31:15 | ChristopherW | well that's too bad, 'cuz I told my mom she could put Rockbox on it (I thought it was a c200 series at first) |
| 19:31:21 | * | domonoky has now changed rbutil so it loads and installs the new voice.zips, but i found the download cache of rbutil broken..*goes investigating* |
| 19:31:25 | wooster | yes, sorry 250, I've bene looking at other models and got mixed up. Very sorry |
| 19:31:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | wooster: The only 260 SanDisk made was an *e*260. |
| 19:31:31 | * | BigBambi thinks the 2GB is c250, and 1GB is c240 |
| 19:31:33 | ChristopherW | sorry about the "'cuz", I meant "because" |
| 19:31:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | BigBambi: You win a cookie! :) |
| 19:31:48 | BigBambi | wooster: Not a problem, I suspect some people were hoping to get one :) |
| 19:31:50 | wooster | my apologies, it's not written anywhere I can find it on the payer |
| 19:31:51 | * | LambdaCalculus37 gives BigBambi a cookie |
| 19:31:52 | pixelma | no beer? |
| 19:32:03 | wooster | player that is... so it was from my poor memory |
| 19:32:08 | * | LambdaCalculus37 sees if there's beer in the IRC fridge |
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| 19:32:31 | wooster | okay I think I'll order the Buy.com E version refurb. |
| 19:32:33 | * | BigBambi scratches an image of deity of choice onto the cookie, flogs it to some idiot on ebay, and buys sweet sweet beer with the proceeds |
| 19:32:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | :) |
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| 19:32:49 | wooster | I could drop by and tell you if it's the right version or not if you wish |
| 19:32:58 | BigBambi | wooster: Sure, might help others |
| 19:33:07 | wooster | okay, thanks folks, you've been most helpful |
| 19:33:11 | BigBambi | no probs |
| 19:33:19 | wooster | and Rockbox is really incredible so keep up the good work. |
| 19:33:25 | wooster | And nice April Fool's joke too re gaming :> |
| 19:34:17 | BigBambi | heh, I didn't notice the topic |
| 19:34:42 | wooster | thanks again for this current help and for the software goodness.. |
| 19:34:43 | wooster | bye! |
| 19:34:46 | ChristopherW | Rockbox *is* a nice gaming system, so I think you all should remove the silly audio capabilities! |
| 19:35:10 | ChristopherW | except for the sound in Doom, of course |
| 19:35:17 | wooster | haha ;> |
| 19:35:21 | wooster | bye... |
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| 19:35:50 | Nico_P | pixelma: done |
| 19:35:59 | ChristopherW | I almost have to squint to play Doom on the Sansa |
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| 19:37:56 | pixelma | Nico_P: rather tell linuxstb_ so he can remove it from his list |
| 19:38:19 | Nico_P | I will |
| 19:39:59 | ChristopherW | ok, I commented out the line that preloads the non-existent vbr.bmp file, and the WPS works now! |
| 19:41:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | ChristopherW: So do you want SNES, N64, Nintendo DS, and PSP emulation all at full speed with no frame skips for Rockbox as well? :-P |
| 19:41:28 | ChristopherW | yes, especially N64 on a small 32-bit system! |
| 19:41:56 | * | amiconn has no idea as to how powerful a cpu the mentioned game consoles have |
| 19:41:59 | ChristopherW | It should be possible, right? After all, the spinning cube demo looks really smooth! |
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| 19:42:45 | ChristopherW | N64 has a MIPS 64-Bit RISC CPU (customized R4000 series) at 93.75 MHz |
| 19:43:15 | ChristopherW | so it's probably difficult to emulate on a 32-bit ARM running at 80 MHz |
| 19:43:24 | ChristopherW | (at full speed, I mean) |
| 19:43:32 | amiconn | Heh, indeed |
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| 19:44:10 | ChristopherW | plus there's the higher-res graphics to emulate on a 220x176 screen |
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| 19:44:18 | amiconn | It already struggles when emulating a Z80 (+graphics, of course), i.e. ZXbox, Rockboy |
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| 19:44:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Pac-Man also used a Z80, so don't forget Pacbox. :) |
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| 19:45:19 | ChristopherW | would it be possible to run a *nix shell in Rockbox, along with the standard utilities? |
| 19:45:35 | ChristopherW | maybe even have X run on it? |
| 19:45:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | ChristopherW: You're nuts. :P |
| 19:45:55 | ChristopherW | I am nuts, but that doesn't answer the question! |
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| 19:46:35 | rasher | You get two answers, equally valid: a) Anything's possible provided someone codes it. b) No. |
| 19:46:48 | pixelma | maybe you can make an "X" run (maybe in a movie) =) |
| 19:47:02 | Horscht | yes, finaly |
| 19:47:06 | PaulJam | Nico_P: i guess you can close FS #8828 now. |
| 19:47:17 | Horscht | get that pesky audio feature out of there |
| 19:47:56 | Nico_P | PaulJam: done, thanks :) |
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| 19:48:34 | ChristopherW | it looks like FS #8828 involves what I just had to deal with (a WPS with a missing image file) |
| 19:48:54 | Nico_P | ChristopherW: I just closed it as fixed :) |
| 19:49:49 | kugel | Nico_P: Nice commit :P |
| 19:49:50 | ChristopherW | does it mean that, in a newer build, the WPS will completely fail to load (instead of partially)? |
| 19:50:29 | kugel | No, really. the hard-coded wps is really helpful imo |
| 19:51:13 | Nico_P | ChristopherW: yes |
| 19:51:29 | ChristopherW | does Rockbox write to a log file if the WPS fails, indicating why it fails? |
| 19:51:51 | ChristopherW | or rather, would it be practical to make Rockbox do so? |
| 19:51:52 | Nico_P | ChristopherW: no, you have to use checkwps or the sim to get more info |
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| 19:52:29 | kugel | Is checkwps included in rbutil? |
| 19:52:48 | kugel | If not, it would probably a good idea to include it |
| 19:52:52 | markun | toffe82: did you already use your gigabeat connectors for something? |
| 19:53:05 | amiconn | DerPapst: Should I provide a build including test_scanrate? |
| 19:53:14 | toffe82 | markun: not yet |
| 19:53:28 | domonoky | kugel: not till now.. maybe there will be a WPS / Theme editor for gsoc.. then this will have the checkwpsfor sure |
| 19:54:18 | toffe82 | markun: did you see a problem with tem ? |
| 19:54:52 | markun | no, besides crashing my player while checking if the connector fits |
| 19:55:12 | markun | I hope there was no permanent damage |
| 19:55:15 | toffe82 | :) |
| 19:55:28 | toffe82 | I told you ;) |
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| 20:02:25 | markun | toffe82: I noticed your warning *after* I tried it :) |
| 20:03:23 | domonoky | pixelma: now rbutil in SVN uses the new voice zip files.. |
| 20:04:35 | * | bluebrother has a fix for the filename casing issue upon bootloader installation |
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| 20:05:01 | pixelma | thanks :) Hope I get the rest of iCatcher transformation done (one set to go) to make the necessary changes to the manual sometime later today |
| 20:05:28 | domonoky | bluebrother: also the download cache was broken, but i fixed it :-) |
| 20:06:25 | DerPapst | amiconn: the rock would be cool |
| 20:08:41 | XavierGr | pixelma: by the way thanks for modifying iCatcher, Genre9mp3 will be gratefull that you did all the hard work, unfortunately the army hasn't left him any rockbox time at all. |
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| 20:10:45 | markun | XavierGr: how long does he have to stay there? |
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| 20:11:20 | pixelma | XavierGr: thanks for cheering me up (needed a bit of motivation). I benefit from it too... the less files to transfer during a build installation the better, you know how long it takes on the Ondio ;) |
| 20:11:20 | XavierGr | I think 4-6 months left |
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| 20:11:51 | XavierGr | pixelma: indeed, you reminded me how slow an update is on Ondio. |
| 20:12:01 | XavierGr | (that's why most of the times I delete the wps folder on updates) |
| 20:12:54 | pixelma | hope he doesn't mind my small changes with the update |
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| 20:13:59 | XavierGr | pixelma: I seriously doubt that he will have a problem about it :) |
| 20:14:06 | XavierGr | on the contrary |
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| 20:19:09 | pixelma | :) |
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| 20:45:54 | preglow | pixelma: i can't see any new comments on the mod player patch page yet :> |
| 20:48:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: Which MOD patch? Is it still FS #8680? |
| 20:49:17 | pixelma | the infinite looping was mentioned by someone else and I noticed that I didn't use the very latest version (and on friday eveneing when I said that I got distracted by having to fix the manuals.. etc. etc.) :) |
| 20:49:39 | preglow | LambdaCalculus37: yes, the only one working as a real codec |
| 20:49:50 | preglow | the mikmod one still has a long way to go |
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| 20:51:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: Can you look at FS #8595 for me? |
| 20:51:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | I wanted to get an opinion about my patch. |
| 20:51:43 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: btw. I'd welcome comments _and_ ideas on FS #8824 ;) |
| 20:52:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Sure, I'll patch with it tonight and compile a build. ;) |
| 20:52:39 | SA | I've scoured the rockbox forum / faq / manual and haven't found a solution so if I missed it I'm very sorry. :( My rockboxed Sansa E250 recently has stopped showing new music I transfer to it, however my original firmware can display and play the songs without a problem. I can even 'scan' to the files on the rockbox they just simply will not appear under the 'Database'. Can anyone help me? :) |
| 20:53:18 | gevaerts | Switch back to MSC |
| 20:53:40 | ChristopherW | SA: did you update your database? |
| 20:54:20 | SA | I did before I'll run it again to be sure. |
| 20:55:19 | * | SA feels like an idiot. |
| 20:55:19 | SA | :P |
| 20:55:21 | SA | worked. |
| 20:55:25 | SA | Thanks :/ |
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| 21:09:17 | preglow | LambdaCalculus37: not really my area of expertise |
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| 21:26:36 | bluebrother | grrr. Why doesn't renaming the firmware file work anymore? |
| 21:27:44 | ChristopherW | I have the build environment set up and managed to build Rockbox in its entirety. Now how do I compile some of the test_* plugins that are in the /apps/plugins directory? |
| 21:28:30 | bluebrother | ChristopherW: add them to apps/plugins/SOURCES |
| 21:29:13 | ChristopherW | ok, I'll try that in a while |
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| 21:33:22 | disorganizer | kugel: any news on the viewportification front? |
| 21:33:49 | kugel | No, except that JdGordon doesn't like my patch ;) |
| 21:34:11 | disorganizer | why? |
| 21:34:18 | kugel | he didn't say it's bad, but he said it's too early, other parts of rockbox should use viewports before usch a feature |
| 21:34:48 | disorganizer | well, so just start working on the other parts in parallel :-) |
| 21:34:58 | disorganizer | for example the wpsified statusbar ;-) |
| 21:36:00 | * | bluebrother would like Rockbox to become more stable, not fancier |
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| 21:36:14 | * | disorganizer 's rockbox is stable since over a month |
| 21:36:32 | bluebrother | it still has some annoying bugs |
| 21:36:43 | disorganizer | like? |
| 21:36:53 | bluebrother | the playback engine for example. |
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| 21:37:18 | * | disorganizer believes other people work on playback than on the wpsification, no? |
| 21:37:38 | kugel | bluebrother: sure, but why should I wait for a playback enigine rewrite, when i can't do such low-level stuff myself (yet) |
| 21:37:52 | kugel | well, more low-level than viewports at least |
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| 21:39:00 | disorganizer | thats what i mean. the development is propably split into different parts, so development in one area need not slow down development in another area |
| 21:39:12 | bluebrother | adding new features usually also introduces new bugs. |
| 21:39:49 | disorganizer | it introduces other bugs. like doing anything. but if the development would have been linear in the past we would propably only have a bootloader till now ... |
| 21:39:51 | bluebrother | it's nice the UI is rather stable now. No need to introduce new bugs here. |
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| 21:40:16 | kugel | bluebrother: New stuff doesn't mean new bugs in every case |
| 21:40:29 | bluebrother | kugel: I said "usually". |
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| 21:40:56 | kugel | But you expect new bugs with every new implementation, don't you? |
| 21:41:13 | bluebrother | usually, yes. |
| 21:41:41 | bluebrother | still, I think it would be better to try getting "the other" stuff more stable. |
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| 21:42:01 | kugel | We have to live with bugs. Keeping developement slowed down because of the fear of bugs isn't a good way imo |
| 21:42:07 | disorganizer | bluebrother: with that kind of development we would not have any development. |
| 21:42:08 | bluebrother | even on rbutil I find bugs on features I thought that would've been stable. |
| 21:42:20 | bluebrother | disorganizer: I disagree. |
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| 21:42:37 | kugel | Sure, when there are much bugs known, one should wait a bit with adding new feature |
| 21:42:51 | kugel | but I wouldn't call rockbox extremly buggy |
| 21:42:51 | pixelma | I don't believe there will ever be a bugfree new feature, let alone all the existing ones... |
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| 21:43:03 | bluebrother | kugel: I don't said we must not introduce bugs at all. I said it would be better to concentrate on fixing the current issues. |
| 21:43:35 | Spex | hello i have one question: is it possible to play all mp3-files in a folder+subfolders? |
| 21:43:51 | disorganizer | yes |
| 21:44:02 | Spex | how? |
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| 21:44:18 | disorganizer | just add the folder to the playlist. |
| 21:44:38 | disorganizer | also you can select how rb handles subdirs in the menus. |
| 21:44:44 | linuxstb_ | ...after enabling the "recursively insert directories" option. |
| 21:44:45 | disorganizer | menus=settings |
| 21:45:26 | kugel | disorganizer: We can easily add entire folders to the playlist? |
| 21:45:54 | bluebrother | kugel: context menu -> insert |
| 21:45:56 | domonoky | just press long select on the folder, and choose insert :-) |
| 21:45:57 | disorganizer | yes |
| 21:46:01 | bluebrother | (on a folder that is ;) |
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| 21:46:35 | kugel | bluebrother: It says No file though |
| 21:46:46 | Spex | and can i clear the playlist somehow? |
| 21:47:03 | Llorean | Spex: If playback is stopped, "Insert" will clear the playlist before inserting. |
| 21:47:38 | Spex | thx for your help |
| 21:47:43 | bluebrother | kugel: you need to have recursely insert enabled first ... |
| 21:48:27 | kugel | ahh |
| 21:48:42 | kugel | Well, I'm not very familar with playlists at all |
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| 21:54:06 | * | bluebrother is puzzled |
| 21:55:59 | bluebrother | is there a way to detect OF mi4 files or distinguish them from rb ones? |
| 21:56:14 | Bagder | yes |
| 21:56:21 | Bagder | a bit subtle though |
| 21:56:41 | Bagder | the dsa sig in rockbox ones are always fixed |
| 21:57:07 | bluebrother | ah. Noticed something: RBBL starting at 0x1f8? |
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| 21:57:23 | bluebrother | or isn't that reliable? |
| 21:59:05 | Bagder | it is for "new install" |
| 21:59:13 | Bagder | according to sansapatcher.c comments |
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| 22:00:03 | bluebrother | for new install? I'm wondering about the players with plain mi4 files |
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| 22:00:40 | Llorean | Well, a non-modified .mi4 should be the same as a new-install Firmware Partition install, right? |
| 22:01:06 | Bagder | I think the key is that sansapatcher puts that data in the partition |
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| 22:01:17 | Bagder | so if you use a plain file, it doesn't have that |
| 22:01:18 | * | bluebrother notices that sansapatcher checks exactly this bytes |
| 22:01:45 | bluebrother | I found RBBL at 0x1f8 in H10 and m:robe BL |
| 22:02:12 | Bagder | yes, that's in bootloader/main-pp.c |
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| 22:03:01 | domonoky | bluebrother: working on enhancing the bootloader installs ? |
| 22:03:04 | bluebrother | is this true for all players using mi4 files directly? |
| 22:03:22 | Bagder | but main-pp.c checks for it in the file, after the "regular" mi4 header |
| 22:03:23 | bluebrother | domonoky: yes ... I wanted to fix the case issue (works mostly now), but ... |
| 22:03:29 | Bagder | not at 0x1f8 |
| 22:05:05 | Bagder | in fact, the mi4 header struct in main-pp.c is... funny |
| 22:05:18 | domonoky | bluebrother: as we get more and more bootloader installs, it maybe good to change the bootloader install scheme to a class hierachy.. :-) |
| 22:05:54 | bluebrother | yeps ... I also thought about consolidating all mi4 installs. H10 and m:robe are pretty similar |
| 22:06:32 | bluebrother | maybe merge all firmware-based installs. Gigabeat is also a candidate. |
| 22:06:41 | bluebrother | then there's only the three patchers left. |
| 22:06:52 | * | Bagder is just stupid |
| 22:07:26 | domonoky | bluebrother: sounds good :-) |
| 22:07:55 | domonoky | but be carefull, there are subtile differences in the firmware installers :-) |
| 22:08:00 | bluebrother | hmm, if I'm right it would be possible to recognize all mi4 bootloaders based on the RBBL magic. |
| 22:08:09 | * | bluebrother needs to understand the mi4 format better |
| 22:08:35 | Bagder | yes you can |
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| 22:08:42 | bluebrother | domonoky: the bad thing is that I'm rather slow these days. |
| 22:09:07 | * | domonoky also has little time.. |
| 22:09:20 | Bagder | bluebrother: rockbox is using 01f8 to 01ff for metadata, those bytes are unused normally |
| 22:10:02 | bluebrother | Bagder: great. So I can check those to identify the bootloader file :) |
| 22:10:15 | Bagder | yes |
| 22:10:24 | bluebrother | so the mi4 header is always 0x200 bytes? |
| 22:10:52 | Bagder | yes |
| 22:11:00 | bluebrother | ok, thanks. |
| 22:11:07 | Bagder | it's actually a lot smaller but is padded to 0x200 |
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| 22:11:15 | ChristopherW | I know this is off-topic, but anyway... There seems to be an off-by-one error in the current playlist when I try to move a song: when I long-select a song and select Move, the *previous* song is highlighted as the one to move. This is in r16918, and in at least r16901, but it's not in r16873 or earlier (I think) |
| 22:11:48 | BigBambi | why is that off topic? |
| 22:11:50 | ChristopherW | when I do this on the first song in the playlist, it wraps to the end |
| 22:12:03 | * | bluebrother had rbutil overwrite the OF :/ |
| 22:12:04 | ChristopherW | well, you guys are talking about the mi4 format or something |
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| 22:12:23 | BigBambi | ChristopherW: Rockbox is on-topic, whichever aspect of it |
| 22:12:32 | Nico_P | ChristopherW: thanks for pointing that out, I had spotted it then completely forgotten about it |
| 22:12:33 | bluebrother | BigBambi: beat me |
| 22:12:43 | domonoky | bluebrother: really ? for which target ? |
| 22:12:51 | Nico_P | ChristopherW: maybe a bug report is on order here |
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| 22:13:10 | ChristopherW | I didn't bother to search flyspray to see if a bug report exists already, so sue me |
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| 22:13:29 | bluebrother | domonoky: m:robe. I was experimenting a bit. Seems something got wrong |
| 22:13:45 | bluebrother | during me doing successive installs of the bootloader |
| 22:13:58 | amiconn | This is weird; I've read this report several times now, yet when I try moving tracks in the playlist viewer, it always works as I'd expect it to... |
| 22:14:10 | | Part Spex |
| 22:14:15 | bluebrother | btw, after a successful installation of the build the install window doesn't close. Any idea why this happens? |
| 22:14:32 | bluebrother | the signal gets connected properly. |
| 22:14:38 | ChristopherW | I'll try to get a series of screenshots to show exactly what I see... |
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| 22:16:28 | bluebrother | hmm, based on the player detected using usb we could improve mountpoint detection even further −− try to find the correct firmware file. |
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| 22:18:40 | pixelma | ChristopherW: I saw that once too but when I tried to reproduce and find a recipe for it I couldn't. Since then I always check every now and then and it hasn't happened so far to me again |
| 22:19:29 | ChristopherW | pixelma: does rockbox use a file to store its current playlist? |
| 22:19:34 | domonoky | bluebrother: it doesnt close, because installzip.cpp has somehow true and false swapped when it emits done |
| 22:19:46 | domonoky | and i suspekt its my fault :-) |
| 22:20:01 | bluebrother | domonoky: should I ask svn blame? ;-) |
| 22:20:14 | * | domonoky will fix it.. |
| 22:20:38 | * | bluebrother accuses domonoky of doing this only for commit count :P |
| 22:20:54 | domonoky | :-) |
| 22:22:42 | pixelma | ChristopherW: there is the playlist.control file (which is a very special binary short whatever file, don't ask me) or you can also save your current playlist (I think from the WPS context menu) |
| 22:23:01 | * | domonoky adds one to his commit count :-) |
| 22:23:06 | ChristopherW | ok, here's what I see with r16918 on my Sansa e280: http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/abbrev/playlistbugr16918.gif |
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| 22:23:36 | ChristopherW | pixelma: is it possible that the playlist.control file changed format recently? |
| 22:23:57 | pixelma | not that I remember |
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| 22:24:52 | ChristopherW | either way, I'll try clearing my playlist and see if the bug is still there |
| 22:26:03 | ChristopherW | I don't see the problem anymore after making a new current playlist |
| 22:28:14 | ChristopherW | I just took a look at the .playlist_control file. It looks like a plain text file. I should've saved the old file before I cleared it so I could see if it was the problem. |
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| 22:28:49 | tge101 | im having an issue with my 60gb photo ipod with rockbox, can anyone offer any help? |
| 22:29:08 | scorche|sh | we cant if you dont say what the problem is ;) |
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| 22:29:22 | tge101 | it wont boot up, just shows a folder and the apple support website then shuts down |
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| 22:30:03 | tge101 | it worked fine for a long time and this just happened, when i hook it up to my computer it wont let me see the device, it says it needs formatted |
| 22:31:29 | tge101 | any suggestions? |
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| 22:32:13 | ChristopherW | it might be caused by gamma rays |
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| 22:32:25 | tge101 | if i format will i lose all my data on the ipod? |
| 22:32:30 | gevaerts | phinze: it appears that windows indeed behaves the way that document describes. While this is indeed within spec, I still maintain that it shouldn't do that :) |
| 22:33:02 | tge101 | im assuming yes, but i didnt know if the format would affect the rockbox end of it |
| 22:33:07 | bluebrother | tge101: yes, formatting will destroy all data |
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| 22:33:48 | tge101 | are there any fixes or am i f'ed |
| 22:33:53 | bluebrother | you might want to check the partition table of the Ipod. Possibly that is simply messed up |
| 22:34:04 | bluebrother | tge101: what did you do to your Ipod before it stopped working? |
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| 22:34:27 | tge101 | nothing, ive been using it to copy movies to my ps3 |
| 22:34:45 | bluebrother | and what did you do before you did nothing? |
| 22:34:50 | tge101 | it was working fine and i tried booting it up today and this happened |
| 22:35:09 | bluebrother | does Rockbox / the OF boot? |
| 22:35:19 | scorche|sh | argh....i wish i could find a way to reliably reproduce these playback issues... |
| 22:35:46 | tge101 | no, the apple logo comes up, then a folder icon with a question mark with the apple support website underneath, then it turns off |
| 22:36:05 | bluebrother | but you can access it in emergency disc mode I assume? |
| 22:36:08 | ChristopherW | tge101: did your ps3 somehow "format" your iPod? |
| 22:36:14 | pixelma | scorche|sh: you're not the only one... ;) |
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| 22:36:37 | tge101 | whats the sequence for that? i only remember the reboot |
| 22:36:58 | bluebrother | reboot with Menu + Select. Then enter disc mode using Menu + Play. |
| 22:38:02 | tge101 | its not getting there...just the same icon and website |
| 22:38:33 | bluebrother | you need to reset it first and then immediately press and hold Menu + Play. |
| 22:38:47 | tge101 | wait, i got it to say disk mode, and it says "ok to disconnect" |
| 22:38:51 | bluebrother | it should be able switching to disc mode −− that is build in. |
| 22:39:03 | bluebrother | then connect it to the PC and try to read the partition table |
| 22:39:16 | phinze | gevaerts: that happens so often with windows ;) |
| 22:39:41 | gevaerts | Indeed. First exam question : Why is this exact procedure insane ? :) |
| 22:40:01 | * | bluebrother wonders what interesting "feature" windows not implements |
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| 22:40:16 | tge101 | how do i read the partition table? |
| 22:40:56 | bluebrother | you're running windows? |
| 22:41:01 | tge101 | yea xp |
| 22:41:28 | DerPapst | ipodpatcher can show it |
| 22:41:34 | DerPapst | and windows device manager |
| 22:41:49 | bluebrother | I'm not familiar with such stuff on windows ... you could try a linux live cd ;) |
| 22:43:00 | * | bluebrother remembers he tried to add permission checks to ipodpatcher a while ago ... should finish that |
| 22:43:21 | tge101 | i went in device manager, properties, volumes, and its all blank |
| 22:43:44 | bluebrother | that should at least show you your local disk |
| 22:43:50 | bluebrother | try ipodpatcher −−list |
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| 22:45:06 | tge101 | ran ipodpatcher, said no ipods found |
| 22:45:26 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: Thanks for the wps parser fix. |
| 22:46:11 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: you're welcome |
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| 22:46:52 | bluebrother | tge101: I'd suggest using a linux CD −− or wait if someone more fluent with windows shows up |
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| 22:48:20 | tge101 | it sounding like im screwed |
| 22:48:34 | fml | bluebrother: here? |
| 22:48:49 | bluebrother | fml: yep. |
| 22:48:58 | bluebrother | any more patches on the manual? ;-) |
| 22:49:14 | tge101 | i have yellow dog on my ps3 but i cant get the wifi working so unless its something built in im kinda limited |
| 22:49:17 | gevaerts | tge101: one possibility could be that some connection inside got loose. |
| 22:49:37 | fml | bluebrother: no. But I like how you inserted the section about shortcuts right in the beginning (and not alphabetically)! |
| 22:50:14 | bluebrother | hehe −− to be honest, I didn't pay too much attention to that |
| 22:50:31 | fml | bluebrother: there is one more little 'but'. The quotation marks around "Add to shortcuts" are not typeset correctly. |
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| 22:51:28 | bluebrother | fml: fixing |
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| 22:53:12 | bluebrother | ... and committed. |
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| 22:57:52 | bluebrother | d'oh! bootloaders-info lacks the md5sum for the m:robe |
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| 22:58:35 | bluebrother | Bagder: can you fix that? |
| 22:58:49 | Bagder | 8d02a05dc078cb31afb1de90f8134af3 pp5020.mi4 |
| 22:59:22 | tge101 | ok, back to my ipod when i look at the filesystem it says RAW, i lost everything huh? |
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| 22:59:54 | kugel | bluebrother: commit count +1, eh? :D |
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| 23:00:00 | bluebrother | tge101: do you see partitions on the Ipod? It should have two: a small partition marked as empty and a big data partition |
| 23:00:13 | gevaerts | tge101: what says RAW ? |
| 23:00:21 | renkho | hello, i just installed rockbox on my iriver h320 yesterday |
| 23:00:24 | tge101 | File System : Raw |
| 23:00:28 | bluebrother | kugel: sure. Trying to get what I can do :) |
| 23:00:32 | tge101 | Used Space : 0 Bytes |
| 23:00:39 | renkho | and i always charge the battery with the usb cable |
| 23:00:43 | tge101 | Free Space : 0 Bytes |
| 23:00:45 | renkho | but when i connect it for charge |
| 23:01:00 | renkho | i only see a message: bootloader usb mode |
| 23:01:11 | bluebrother | tge101: please check the partition table. It looks somewhat as if your partition table was messed up |
| 23:01:34 | tge101 | i still dont know how to do that, i tried ipodpatcher and it said no ipod found |
| 23:01:43 | renkho | but nothing about if is charging or not |
| 23:01:48 | bluebrother | renkho: hold rec while inserting the usb cable |
| 23:01:51 | kugel | gevaerts: no commit to CREDITS? |
| 23:01:57 | bluebrother | and boot Rockbox first. |
| 23:02:23 | gevaerts | kugel: good spot. I'll fix it |
| 23:02:26 | ChristopherW | tge101: can you use a linux live cd and then run fdisk or cfdisk on the device? |
| 23:02:58 | kugel | gevaerts: no problem |
| 23:03:04 | tge101 | can i use the live cd with daemon tools? |
| 23:03:11 | tge101 | no blanks around.... |
| 23:03:16 | renkho | bluebrother: it works when i hold rec while insert the cable |
| 23:03:19 | renkho | thanks :d |
| 23:03:29 | bluebrother | tge101: no, you need to burn it |
| 23:03:30 | kugel | gevaerts: I'm happy when I can make your commit count raise *wink* :) |
| 23:03:49 | bluebrother | (you can't boot your PC off a virtual drive, can you?) |
| 23:04:28 | tge101 | no, but i used to have a linux release that ran concurrently using my ram |
| 23:04:35 | kugel | tge101: You can use a virtual pc though (vmware, virtualbox) |
| 23:04:40 | gevaerts | kugel: there is that of course :) |
| 23:04:43 | tge101 | thats was a while ago though |
| 23:05:09 | ChristopherW | it might work inside Bochs |
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| 23:05:41 | kugel | tge101: a virtualbox is probably a better idea, since you can stay in irc all the tiem |
| 23:06:08 | kugel | "virtual box", didn't mean the program in particular |
| 23:06:23 | ChristopherW | too bad you can't run a linux live cd on the ipod itself :) |
| 23:06:39 | bluebrother | kugel: only if passing the usb device works properly ... I always had issues when using UMS devices |
| 23:06:47 | fml | He-he, nice commits. Mostly [deleted] :-) |
| 23:06:59 | bluebrother | ChristopherW: you could still use IPL :D |
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| 23:07:17 | tge101 | too bad i cant turn my ipod on at all... :( |
| 23:07:34 | tge101 | im getting bochs now |
| 23:07:37 | bluebrother | so now it's completely dead? |
| 23:07:43 | ChristopherW | bluebrother: right, but you can't boot the ipod from a CD |
| 23:07:56 | * | bluebrother wonders if bochs can pass through usb |
| 23:07:57 | kugel | bluebrother: yea, true, I remember having problems why my e200 too. But it's supposed to work at least |
| 23:08:04 | tge101 | no, it just does the same thing, wont boot to ipod f/w or rockbox |
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| 23:08:27 | bluebrother | tge101: but you can access emergency disc mode, can't you? |
| 23:08:37 | Kreativethinkr | is it possible to put rockbox on psp ? |
| 23:08:53 | tge101 | ive gotten it to disk mode, but i dont know what to do from there |
| 23:08:54 | bluebrother | Kreativethinkr: no. Rockbox only runs on the players that are listed on the front page |
| 23:09:05 | Kreativethinkr | ok |
| 23:09:08 | Kreativethinkr | thanks |
| 23:09:19 | bluebrother | tge101: get a linux box. Check the partition table of the Ipod from there. |
| 23:09:42 | bluebrother | Kreativethinkr: you might want to check the New Ports forums, not sure if there is talk going on about this. |
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| 23:09:48 | bluebrother | too late ... |
| 23:10:03 | tge101 | ummm |
| 23:10:10 | tge101 | little more specific |
| 23:10:52 | ChristopherW | if you're really masochistic, use hexdump to view the raw bytes of the partition table |
| 23:11:16 | tge101 | can you walk me through that please? |
| 23:11:22 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:11:28 | bluebrother | *sic* |
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| 23:11:31 | gevaerts | bluebrother: maybe tge101 could try restoring the mbr ? |
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| 23:11:52 | bluebrother | gevaerts: that's what I was thinking. But he needs to access the partition table first ... |
| 23:12:03 | n17ikh | that's not so bad. Masochistic would be say, telnetting to an irc server... running SSL. |
| 23:12:06 | bluebrother | and simply overwriting might not be a good idea. |
| 23:12:08 | tge101 | i dont know anything about linux to be blatantly honest |
| 23:12:37 | gevaerts | tge101: are you now in linux, with the ipod connected and in emergency disk mode (i.e. showing 'Do not disconnect') ? |
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| 23:13:07 | tge101 | i dont have linux, i did get bochs though, will running linux through that work? |
| 23:13:32 | bluebrother | I don't think bochs will allow you to access your usb devices. Which is required to access the Ipod. |
| 23:13:57 | gevaerts | I doubt it, unless you manage to get USB pass-through working (I don't know if that is even possible) |
| 23:14:27 | bluebrother | hmm, you could use the vmware build image. |
| 23:15:09 | tge101 | http://ipod-file-recovery.store-soft-data-recovery.alienpicks.com/ any opinions on that? |
| 23:16:05 | bluebrother | sounds like a simple FAT undelete tool |
| 23:16:14 | | Part mcflow |
| 23:16:21 | bluebrother | haven't looked too closely though. |
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| 23:19:35 | tge101 | or this http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Utilities/Disk_Maintenance_and_Repair_Utilities/HDHacker.html |
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| 23:22:39 | bluebrother | tge101: we have a solution to find out some details about how to fix your Ipod. It requires you to use a linux box. At least I'm not going to evaluate random tools found on the internet. |
| 23:23:11 | tge101 | all i did was ask |
| 23:23:46 | * | DerPapst wonders what the problem is... just the iPod being "broken"? |
| 23:23:56 | tge101 | im trying to avoid linux because i dont know how to use it, dont have it, and will have to go through installing a dual-boot |
| 23:23:58 | bluebrother | if we did know about some working tools we would have told you. |
| 23:24:39 | bluebrother | you *don't* need to install linux. There are live CDs around. I even mentioned the vmware build environment, which is linux based. |
| 23:24:54 | bluebrother | DerPapst: I assume his MBR is broken. |
| 23:25:17 | * | bluebrother runs for a bit |
| 23:25:23 | DerPapst | can't he just dd a new one with the windows port of dd? |
| 23:25:23 | tge101 | well that second program i put up, i ran it, regarding the mbr i get this "nvalid partition table.Error loading operating system.Missing operating system" |
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| 23:26:07 | stripwax_ | stupid question but did you try itunes restore? |
| 23:26:39 | tge101 | ive never used itunes |
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| 23:27:01 | stripwax_ | do you have cygwin? |
| 23:27:20 | tge101 | the problem im having, for those joining, is that my ipod will not boot up, all i get is a folder icon with the apple support website underneath, then it shuts down |
| 23:27:29 | DerPapst | then it's about time i'd say. or do you care about the files on your ipod? |
| 23:27:53 | stripwax_ | tge101 yep (i've been following) |
| 23:28:22 | stripwax_ | what does the apple support website suggest you use |
| 23:28:25 | DerPapst | tarbo: is the ipod already connected to your PC? |
| 23:28:27 | tge101 | everything i was concerned about is on the rockbox end, my ps3 backup and all my music, is itunes restore going to restore those? |
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| 23:29:07 | DerPapst | tge101: don'T you have all those files on your pc somewhere? |
| 23:29:21 | stripwax_ | tge101 - earlier, you tried disk mode, but I couldn't tell if you were able to copy the files off or not. did disk mode enable you to copy the files off and onto your pc? |
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| 23:29:24 | tge101 | i havent been there because i thought id find an answer here first in case it completely wiped my ipod clean (if it hasnt been done already) |
| 23:29:50 | tge101 | no, even in disk mode, when i try to access my ipod, xp tells me it needs formatted |
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| 23:30:22 | tge101 | under properties, it says the file system is RAW and 0 bytes used 0 bytes free |
| 23:30:41 | stripwax_ | tge101 - unfortunately #rockbox is not an ipod support forum, but it does sound like the partition table is corrupted, itunes restore *will* recreate a new one but will probably also zap the directory structure |
| 23:31:02 | DerPapst | tge101: simple. do you care about the stuff on your ipod or would it be ok if it gets deleted? |
| 23:31:10 | tge101 | this was the only rockbox chat i could find |
| 23:31:17 | stripwax_ | do you have cygwin (my earlier question). if so you can use dd (DerPapst's suggestion) |
| 23:31:25 | tge101 | i care about the stuff on my ipod under rockbox |
| 23:31:34 | kugel | tge101: Can't you just try to boot into a live cd (to try) to fix the issue with linux? |
| 23:31:39 | tge101 | i dont have cygwin |
| 23:31:41 | DerPapst | stripwax_: there is even a native dd port :-) |
| 23:32:00 | stripwax_ | DerPapst well even better then :) |
| 23:32:17 | stripwax_ | can you point tge101 in the right direction for it? |
| 23:32:29 | DerPapst | tge101: i don't understand what you mean with "under rockbox" all i want to hear is a yes or no. |
| 23:33:02 | kugel | DerPapst: He probably means the stuff in his rockbox dir, themes etc |
| 23:33:18 | tge101 | all i use is rockbox, all my music and files are in rockbox, thats what im concerned about |
| 23:33:19 | stripwax_ | I thought he was talking about music and a ps3 backup so just raw files? |
| 23:33:37 | stripwax_ | tge101 right so "all the files on your ipod hard drive" would cover it? |
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| 23:33:47 | stripwax_ | which would be a yes to DerPapst? |
| 23:33:53 | tge101 | i suppose |
| 23:33:57 | tge101 | i was confused |
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| 23:34:06 | stripwax_ | tge101 - your files are not "in rockbox". Windows can see them, etc. |
| 23:34:36 | ChristopherW | rockbox uses the same drive as the ipod firmware |
| 23:34:42 | tge101 | i know |
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| 23:35:03 | DerPapst | well. then i'm not sure if i want to help you. |
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| 23:35:24 | DerPapst | becuase i don't want to be blamed if all files are lost. |
| 23:35:41 | tge101 | that was my concern this whole conversation |
| 23:35:52 | DerPapst | (the reasons why one should always have backups) |
| 23:35:53 | kugel | DerPapst: I bet he's going to sue you for helping him |
| 23:36:00 | DerPapst | heh |
| 23:36:24 | DerPapst | at least here is the dd tool for windows with a small and nice documentation http://www.chrysocome.net/dd |
| 23:36:27 | ChristopherW | I'm just curious, but where can you get a backup MBR for the ipod's hard drive? |
| 23:36:32 | bluebrother | DerPapst: that's the reason why I wanted him to look at the mbr itself first (and make a backup of it) |
| 23:36:49 | DerPapst | bluebrother: ah figured. |
| 23:36:49 | gevaerts | ChristopherW: on the rockbox website :) |
| 23:36:56 | bluebrother | but I don't know of a good fdisk tool on windows |
| 23:36:58 | stripwax_ | tg101 - So: partition table is corrupted or missing. itunes restore will almost certainly fix but you will lose everything. dd will most likely work, but you might lose everything. You will need to take your pick |
| 23:37:19 | DerPapst | bluebrother: iirc there is nothing like fdiks for windows. unforunately |
| 23:37:29 | ChristopherW | so with the backup mbr, he just has to do "dd if=mbr of=/dev/<whatever>" |
| 23:37:31 | kugel | DerPapst: Is that the official page? Or just the win32 port page? |
| 23:37:33 | bluebrother | DerPapst: do you remember the DOS fdisk? ;-) |
| 23:37:34 | tge101 | so dd is my best bet? |
| 23:37:44 | DerPapst | kugel: the win32 port page |
| 23:37:45 | ChristopherW | DOS fdisk sucks |
| 23:37:47 | bluebrother | tge101: yes. |
| 23:37:54 | DerPapst | bluebrother: heh yes :-) |
| 23:38:07 | gevaerts | dd can make a backup first of course |
| 23:38:16 | bluebrother | use it with care, it can destroy everything. Maybe it can resurrect your data also. |
| 23:38:21 | * | kugel wonders if tge101 trtied chkdsk on his ipod |
| 23:38:27 | stripwax_ | thinking that tge101 won't have a backup mbr to hand.. |
| 23:38:34 | bluebrother | gevaerts: and then decode the MBR using a hex editor ;) |
| 23:38:45 | stripwax_ | tge101 - what model/generation/capacity did you say it was again? |
| 23:38:49 | DerPapst | yay.. sound like fun |
| 23:38:51 | ChristopherW | one time I had a corrupted file system volume (its name was untypable), but DOS fdisk requires you to type in a file system's volume name to delete it! |
| 23:38:51 | gevaerts | bluebrother: using fdisk on linux of course |
| 23:39:02 | tge101 | its a 60gb photo |
| 23:39:14 | tge101 | 4g i guess |
| 23:39:21 | tge101 | err 4gen |
| 23:40:21 | DerPapst | tge101: get the 0.5 version of dd |
| 23:40:25 | bluebrother | gevaerts: yep, but he seems to be resistant to using a linux cd. |
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| 23:40:39 | gevaerts | bluebrother: he can send the mbr to someone |
| 23:40:43 | ChristopherW | also, with the windows dd, how do you access device files (/dev/whatever)? |
| 23:40:58 | tge101 | ok i got it |
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| 23:41:37 | ChristopherW | oh, nvm. I see that it's a weird syntax like "\\.\a:" for the A drive device |
| 23:42:08 | bluebrother | gevaerts: oh, wouldn't that be too easy? ;) |
| 23:42:17 | tge101 | where do i go from here? |
| 23:42:42 | ChristopherW | he can paste the hexdump of the mbr here (I'm only kidding) |
| 23:43:13 | * | bluebrother notices that dd can "decode" the volume to a drive letter |
| 23:43:17 | scorche|sh | ChristopherW: you arent helping... |
| 23:43:40 | ChristopherW | I'm guessing you could run "dd if=\\.\e: of=mbr.bin bs=512 count=1" or something similar |
| 23:43:56 | ChristopherW | that assumes the ipod shows up as drive "e" |
| 23:43:56 | amiconn | no |
| 23:44:04 | DerPapst | tge101: open cmd.exe |
| 23:44:18 | DerPapst | and cd to dd.exe |
| 23:44:23 | amiconn | Accessing \\.\e: would return the start sector of the partition, not sector 0 of the device |
| 23:44:32 | tge101 | im there |
| 23:44:34 | ChristopherW | hm, you're probably right |
| 23:44:53 | DerPapst | tge101: run: dd −−list and pt the output at www.pastebin.ca |
| 23:44:55 | amiconn | Windows dd needs raw internal windows device names |
| 23:44:57 | DerPapst | *put |
| 23:45:03 | scorche|sh | < scorche|sh> ChristopherW: you arent helping... |
| 23:45:09 | bluebrother | you need to access the raw drive, i.e. something like \\.\PhysicalDrivex |
| 23:45:14 | ChristopherW | ok, I'll shut up now |
| 23:45:39 | amiconn | The syntax isn't all that weird, it's simply an UNC path, and the "." stands for "localhost" |
| 23:47:32 | tge101 | got the dd −−list, not sure how to do that output |
| 23:48:39 | stripwax_ | go to pastebin website and paste it in there |
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| 23:49:04 | DerPapst | either "dd.exe −−list > output.txt" or just copy it off the cmd window |
| 23:49:25 | * | DerPapst might be confused |
| 23:49:39 | tge101 | i cant copy from the cmd window |
| 23:49:50 | tge101 | (that i know of anyways) |
| 23:49:53 | ChristopherW | right-click and select "Mark" |
| 23:50:11 | ChristopherW | highlight the text and press enter (I think) |
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| 23:50:25 | kugel | DerPapst: I thought you didn't wanna help him := |
| 23:50:28 | kugel | :) |
| 23:50:31 | ChristopherW | then it should be copied to the clipboard |
| 23:51:48 | stripwax_ | tge101 : "dd.exe −−list > output.txt" will give you a file in the current directory called output.txt, you can paste that file into the pastebin site |
| 23:51:59 | stripwax_ | (DerPapst's suggestion in fact, oops) |
| 23:52:41 | * | stripwax_ heads out |
| 23:52:44 | DerPapst | or just do 'dd −−list > output.txt' |
| 23:53:07 | tge101 | http://www.pastebin.ca/966652 |
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| 23:53:13 | tge101 | my ipod is f: |
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| 23:55:33 | tge101 | did it at least show up on the site? |
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| 23:55:46 | DerPapst | jupp |
| 23:55:53 | bluebrother | interesting, Harddisc0 and Harddisc1 have the same size |
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| 23:56:10 | DerPapst | just noticed that too. so i guess the mbr is foobar |
| 23:56:21 | ChristopherW | is your computer's main hard drive also 60GB? |
| 23:56:42 | Y-Signal | Heyo, anybody else experience this bug where the scrollwheel of a 5G ipod won't respond after making a selection in the database by pressing right/next, and you have to press a button to make the wheel work again? |
| 23:57:19 | bluebrother | dd if=\\?\Device\Harddisk1 of=mbr.bin count=1 bs=512 |
| 23:57:50 | DerPapst | tge101: ^ do what bluebrother just said |
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