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#rockbox log for 2008-04-08

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00:01:45*amiconn ponders trying to make the 2003 Rockbox April fool's joke becoming a reality (just for that purpose, don't think it will be really playable)
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00:06:02*DerPapst wonders what it was...
00:08:02gevaertsGo for it :)
00:08:40amiconnThe problem might be too little ram for zone allocation. It might require an 8MB-modded archos (which I do not have)
00:09:41bluebrotheruse a swap file ;-)
00:10:01amiconnHaha, the zone management already *is* doom's way of using a swapfile
00:10:22amiconnDoom doesn't load the whole .wad file at once
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00:12:11bluebrotherI just rememberd someone asking on the forums if Rockbox would benefit from a swap file *urgh*
00:12:33scorche|shwasnt that "z"?
00:12:43gevaertsNo reason to go for a large .wad
00:12:44bluebrothercan't remember
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01:26:03`Sader`My rock box on my 1st gen nano is messed up, It won't turn the back light on, and it makes the screen go upside down nad backwards.. any ideas whats going on ?
01:26:57scorche|shhave you tried resetting the settings?
01:27:11`Sader`How do i go about doing that? I've delted the config.cfg
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01:38:21`Sader` My rock box on my 1st gen nano is messed up, It won't turn the back light on, and it makes the screen go upside down and backwards.. any ideas?
01:39:37gevaerts`Sader`: the manual contains info on how to reset the settings
01:40:48`Sader`I'll look again.
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01:44:06`SaderMy 5th gen video won't turn on after installing rockbox a couple of days ago. Trying to reset and charge up but not luck, chances this is rockbox problem or something else?
01:44:34gevaertsAsking every fivce minutes isn't going to give you another answer, it will just irritate people
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01:47:18scorche|shwell, this is a different question with a difference device...
01:47:46gevaertsSorry `Sader, I misread...
01:48:44gevaertsIt's most probably not a rockbox issue though.
01:49:22preglow`Sader: won't turn off how? keeping play pressed for a long time does nothing while in rockbox?
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01:59:18`TannerMy ipod 1st gen got messed up, it had rockbox worked great for a week.. Then lagged up and inverted the text, upside down and backwards. I'm restoring it now but it doesn't look like it helped any. Can anyone please help me?
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02:01:53krazykit`Tanner, do you have this issue on the original firmware?
02:02:15DerPapstdoes rolo work on the sansas?
02:02:21gevaertsIt does
02:02:39`TannerI'm restoring it again. I'm very worried.
02:02:39DerPapstcomlains about invalid checksum here.
02:02:46DerPapst*complains even
02:03:08krazykit`Tanner, if the original firmware displays the same error, it isn't rockbox, as no rockbox code is running at that point.
02:03:30`Tanneraw man. I'm freakin. Any ideas?
02:03:55krazykitlearn to read backwards?
02:04:17`TannerIt's upside down, backwards, and letters are backwards. anything seriously?
02:05:25DerPapstscramble -add=e200 ./in.bin ./out.mi4 is correct, isn't it?
02:05:47linuxstbDerPapst: No. You want -mi4v2 instead of -add=e200
02:06:12`TannerI'm restoring again.
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02:12:35DerPapstkernel panic... ;-)
02:12:57gevaertsNice change from Data Aborts ;-)
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02:27:57DerPapstlinuxstb: btw, thnks, it worked.
02:31:02jhMikeSwhich metadata parser is for alac?
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02:31:41linuxstbjhMikeS: The mp4 one
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02:37:06jhMikeSipod video sure has odd buffer filling behavior
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02:52:31goettlekIs anyone there?
02:53:13advcomp2019goettlek, yea, just ask your question
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02:59:16*DerPapst goes to sleep. Only 4 hours left :-/
02:59:26DerPapstgood night all :-)
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03:08:14*jhMikeS did some checks and it seem metadata parsers should yield
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03:41:47WeaponXquick question
03:42:18WeaponXcan i add files only from a music folder on my ipod to the database and not like ever .mp3 or playable file i have on my ipod?
03:42:28WeaponXbtw 5.5g 80gb video ipod
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04:18:42cool_walking_WeaponX: Put a file called "database.ignore" in the root of your player, then put a file called "database.unignore" in your music folder.
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04:44:56soapwhoa whoa whoa - McDLT
04:45:42soapLet's keep the hot side hot and the cool side cool.
04:46:18soapmy bad. I was thinking this was rocbox-community and there was support going on!
04:46:27soapcarry on. ;)
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05:02:48ipod_4g_userHello! I'm using the current Rockbox build on a 4th gen. grayscale ipod, and he won't boot past the 'Rockbox loaded.' bootloader message... my question is whether or not it is possible to be running a bootloader that is too old. Mine is quite old (version 20060404-0258). Any insights?
05:03:35scorcheerrrr....definitely update :)
05:03:43ipod_4g_userYeah, I thought so.
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05:49:26ipod_4g_userHoly Cow!!! Rockbox Util actually *works* now! Amazing... it's new Qt-ness is extremely slick. Can't believe how easy that was.
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07:30:01JohnnyBoyhey guys
07:31:35JohnnyBoyanyone alive ?
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07:36:34advcomp2019JohnnyBoy, yes, just ask your question if you have one
07:37:47JohnnyBoyk installed rockbox on my 30gb i-pod video
07:38:19JohnnyBoyclicked on batabase on the i-pod
07:38:50JohnnyBoygot database is not ready
07:39:21JohnnyBoyi am wondering if i have to make a file on my harddrive for it to copy from ?
07:39:33scorcheJohnnyBoy: you really should read the manual...
07:39:45JohnnyBoyi am working on that
07:39:48JohnnyBoyits a long read
07:39:58scorchethats alright...keep chugging long...
07:44:18JohnnyBoyallright i'll be back when i mess it up
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08:17:34mrkikoHi all!
08:17:38mrkikoHi all!
08:18:20mrkikoI saw Nico_P resolved the problems persisting with playback; I red it's commit log
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08:18:53mrkikoNow - the problem of the current track repeating persist only when the disk was not active and has to spin up to pass to the next track.
08:22:46mrkikoI noticed rockbox crashes some times when I navigate to the file browser - no bug reports can be posted since I can't reproduce this reliably.
08:22:56mrkikoIt will never happen if playback is in progress while navigating.
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08:23:23mrkikoAnd it never happens if voice is not talking when I press another key.
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10:10:02MonkeytamerHello, I have registered for the Wiki, and have a theme that I would like to upload. Might someone be so kind as to grant write privileges?
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10:16:17peturwiki name?
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10:16:47peturare you JakeMelvin ?
10:16:52Monkeytameroh, yes
10:17:03MonkeytamerI had to switch clients, didn't know you saw the comment
10:17:44Monkeytamerthank you
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10:29:50pondlifepetur: I added the H300 bootloader test/fix onto the DevCon agenda, even though it's not really a full-group thing - hope that's ok with you.
10:30:12peturpondlife: I was thinking of doing the same!
10:30:23Bagderrthe whole group gets involved when it's time to laugh at the mistakes!
10:30:31pondlifeOf course!
10:30:32peturyeah ;)
10:30:49pondlifeDuh! Who'd have thought you needed to init that first....
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10:31:08pondlifeAnyways, I won't be able to make the last weekend in June now.
10:31:09peturI do hope to find something sooner, though... I think I will manage some rb time on sunday afternoon :/
10:31:28pondlifeCool. I still haven't found time to test SVN here
10:31:34pondlifeon H380, I mean
10:31:44pondlifeMaybe today, maybe not
10:33:25pondlifeHmm, much of the text on should apply to all SWCODEC targets, not be under "Model Specific"..
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10:34:29peturMonkeytamer: you attached your theme but it's not on the page yet?
10:34:47Monkeytameroh, I'm almost done
10:34:54MonkeytamerI think..
10:34:59Monkeytamerunless I am doing something wrong
10:35:26markunBagderr: do you know when Zagor will be back?
10:38:33MonkeytamerOk, it's been posted
10:38:59Monkeytamerexcept, I forgot the attachment..
10:42:09peturMonkeytamer: is there a reason the wps screenshot is called menu and the menu screenshot is called wps? ;p
10:42:34Monkeytamernot any real reason, other than it being late
10:42:46Monkeytamerand I'm prone to boneheaded mistakes, haha
10:42:56Monkeytamercan I fix that
10:43:32peturnah, not an issue... just switch the images around on the page
10:43:54MonkeytamerOh ok, no problem.
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12:02:48pondlifePossibly a very silly question, but is there a way to start construction of a playlist without starting playback? If I select a file in the browser and do an Insert, it always starts playback too.
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12:08:18gibbon_thats not too silly
12:08:33gibbon_but i don't have an answer
12:09:41pondlifeI tend to just mute my output beforehand, then make up a playlist and remember to pause and skip back to the start before I start playback.
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12:17:11pondlifeNico_P: When's that exam? :)
12:17:22Nico_Ppondlife: I just got back from uit
12:17:36pondlifeAh, so I'm too late to wish you luck.
12:17:47Nico_Phehe, thanks all the same :)
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12:20:41pondlifeWe should add a compulsory field to Flyspray to force everyone opening a task (or adding a comment?) to enter their build revision...then refuse them entry unless number_entered == current_svn
12:21:31Nico_Phahah I like the idea but that could get quite hard... we sometimes commit faster than people could build and test :)
12:21:42pondlifeSounds like fun :)
12:22:15pondlife is so vague...
12:22:47Nico_Phave you tested my latest playback.c commits btw?
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12:23:15pondlifeLast one I saw was the gwps one
12:24:06Nico_Poh then you're up to date in that regard I believe
12:24:10pondlifeAh, ok
12:24:29Nico_Pthe following ones were nothing much
12:24:47Nico_PI have a few more ideas I want to try out, but I don't want to make too many at once, to avoid a new bug creeping in between
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12:25:03pondlifeI've not had any sign of track skipping problems... you were saying it was broken
12:25:17Nico_Pskipping backwards isn't very fun
12:25:27pondlifeSeems fine here, so far
12:26:12Nico_Pone of the things I'm not pleased with is how inefficient it is to skip multiple times
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12:26:23pondlifeWell, you know what I think about that...
12:26:37pondlifeThere should not be a "skip" API, just a select one
12:27:00pondlifei.e. play track n should cater for all cases without unnecessary rebuffering
12:27:17Nico_Pyes, but even that way, skipping in the WPS would result in multple "change track" events
12:28:00Nico_P"load n", "load n+1", "load n+2"... that's lots of unnecessary work
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12:28:37pondlifeI'd hope that the overhead should be quite small, until it comes to buffering
12:29:21Nico_Pif audio_fill_file_buffer is called each time, it could still hit the disk quite a few more times than needed
12:29:42pondlifeIt should just be saying "is track n buffered?"
12:29:43Nico_P(to load the codec, the metdata and the AA)
12:30:06Nico_Pyes, I'm imagining the case where it isn't
12:30:48pondlifeWell, track n+2 request would be satisfied shortly after track n+1 anyway.. if not we could interrupt
12:33:22pondlifeThe spinup is the slowest part
12:33:25Nico_Pthe problem is with clearing the tracks each time I guess
12:33:47pondlifeYes, there should be no clearing at all, until the buffer space is needed for new data.
12:35:33Nico_PI'll look into that
12:35:54Nico_Pthere's far too much unnecessary clearing anyway
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13:17:12JdGordonNico_P: hey, I had some wierd playback today with svn... same as yesterday.. it started playing the next track after a few sec, and kept changing to the next one... pressing prev to go back kept advancing the playlist...
13:17:37Nico_PJdGordon: which codec was it with?
13:18:59Nico_Pvery weird then
13:19:22Nico_Pdidn't you mention a possible disk failure yesterday?
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13:20:23JdGordonill run a chkdisk
13:25:37JdGordonnope.. windows rekons the disk is fine
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13:36:01Graphilhi @ all!
13:36:35markunhi Graphil
13:36:54Graphilis there someone who has time to help me with my iPod nano (2GB v1.1.3)???
13:37:00Graphilhi markun
13:38:13markunI don't know much about the nano and don't have much time
13:38:14Graphilauf deutsch gehts au! ^^
13:38:20preglowGraphil: if you've got questions, you should just ask them
13:39:59markunpreglow: we do realtime wavpack encoding, right?
13:40:00GraphilI copied the rockbox (4 nano) on the root dic and started the ipodpatcher.exe after that
13:40:57Graphilbut the app don't find the ipod...
13:41:13preglowmarkun: aye
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13:41:35Graphiljust as I typed "ipodpatcher 1" it was found
13:41:58markunpreglow: I asked because of this statement:
13:42:15markunbut it looks like the site hasn't been updated since 2005
13:42:16Graphilbut how can I tell the programm that is has to look at device "1"???
13:43:48preglowmarkun: yeah, that's bullshit, wavpack encoding is the same complexity as wavpack decoding
13:43:57preglowmarkun: unless you use the assymetrical modes, of course
13:45:48LinusNperhaps it is the keyword "hardware" that is the point
13:46:13Bagderrwhatever that means
13:46:20Bagderrin that context
13:46:52LinusNmy interpretation is that you can implement the codec purely in hardware
13:47:15LinusNstill, nowadays "hardware" can mean an SoC
13:47:25preglowpossibility of hardware encoding
13:47:27preglowthat's saying nothing
13:47:34pregloweverything has the possibility of hardware encoding
13:47:36Bagderrthat's my point, "hardware" is a blurry term
13:47:44Graphilis there no one who can help me???
13:47:50preglowGraphil: i can'
13:47:55preglowGraphil: i can't help with ipodpatcher issues, sorry
13:48:04BagderrGraphil: are you following the instructions in the manual?
13:48:18Graphilyes of 'course
13:48:31preglowit's probably an ipodpatcher issue, i think it sometimes doesn't detect units correctly
13:48:50Graphilwhat can I do about that?
13:49:13preglowdon't know
13:51:38gevaertsGraphil: does 'ipodpatcher -l' give any output ?
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13:54:43gevaertsis itunes active ?
13:54:47preglowLlorean: around?
13:55:32Graphilno iTunes installed
13:55:56gevaertsdo you have administrator rights ?
13:56:02Graphilof 'course
13:56:30Bagderrand it is a 1st gen ipod nano?
13:57:06Graphilyes I think so - (2GB version)
13:57:15Graphilhow can I find it out?
13:58:06gevaerts might help
13:58:09markunLook like they now use this wiki based site, but still the same info:
13:59:28Graphillooks like it's the 1st gen
14:00:34GraphilI come around later gotta go
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14:39:52markundoes anyone have the mpeg-1/2 specs, or do you have to pay money to get them?
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14:42:46preglowpay, i guess
14:42:59preglowanything in particular you're wondering about?
14:45:20markunpreglow: I got an email from someone who didn't like it that I changed the resolutions for mpegplayer to multiples of 2x2 because his encoder didn't support it (only 8x8)
14:45:45markunand he asked me if it shouldn't be changed back since not all encoder support this
14:47:44preglowall streams have to be 8x8 internally, but it sounds a bit weird that provisions are not made to crop pictures in decoding
14:48:08preglowactually, i believe they have to be 16x16 internally
14:48:09markunthe sequence header has a separate value to set the display resolutino
14:48:51preglowyeah, good
14:49:07markunwhich we use, nothing hackish I think
14:49:35markunand all our encoder examples (which are probably all ffmpeg based :) support this
14:50:03markunHe uses "TMPGEnc"
14:52:18preglowa popular one
14:54:01markunI wonder why want it to be a multiple of 8 if a multiple of 2 also works
14:54:25markunMaybe we should just add a not to the wiki page
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14:55:33preglowwell, a multiple of eight is also a multiple of two, why is this a problem?
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15:34:18markunpreglow: 220x176 for example
15:35:51markunthe best 4:3 resoluion is 220x166 which isn't a multiple of 8x8
15:36:27preglowi still don't see a problem, people with limited encoders can just go along as they always have, if rockbox supports 2x2 resolutions, good for us
15:36:41*preglow needs to start using periods
15:37:30markunpreglow: I think his problem was that I change the recomended resolutions
15:37:43preglowwhy do recommended resolutions matter?
15:38:07preglowa recommendation is nothing but good advice, if people use encoders that can't cope, then bad for them
15:38:16markunI agree
15:38:33preglowif you think your recommendation is sound, then leave it as it is
15:39:31markunI can add a note
15:39:43preglowmore information is always good :)
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15:55:49kugelHmm, SansaLinux uses rockbox bootloader
15:55:58kugelOpenSource is great
15:56:41kugelmarkun, preglow: I use 224x176
15:57:28preglowgood for you
15:57:42LambdaCalculus37kugel: At least they did say it on their page that they do.
15:57:51*preglow wonders why they just don't help us instead of port linux :>
15:57:56kugelLambdaCalculus37: Yea
15:58:23kugelpreglow: I think it's great. Maybe rockbox can benefit of sansalinux
15:58:35preglowi kind of doubt it
15:58:37preglowbut we'll see
15:58:42preglowwould be cool, of course
15:58:49kugelpreglow: What if they get usb working?
15:58:57preglowanyone here have any idea how the gigabeat s port stands?
15:59:02preglowkugel: would of course be wonderful
15:59:03kugelworking reliable of course
15:59:21LambdaCalculus37preglow: I know sound still isn't working yet, and we're waiting for more work on the USB front.
15:59:36kugelI think I'm gonna install it. It will boot into rockbox by default still
16:00:01*LambdaCalculus37 is still waiting for his tax refund so he can buy his Gigabeat S
16:00:03preglowi don't really see the point in doing so
16:00:07BigBambipreglow: You can boot rockbox, but there is no USB or playback
16:00:15BigBambiMenu browsing, plugins etc work
16:00:15preglowunless just for curiosity, of course
16:00:22LambdaCalculus37Or to test stuff.
16:00:41kugelpreglow: Fun, nothing more
16:00:45LambdaCalculus37preglow: This would make things much easier to load files onto the Gigabeat S:
16:00:51BigBambipreglow: Big stumbling block atm is USB I think, as the S is MTP only. To get a build on for example you need to transfer a tar then the bootloader untars it
16:00:58kugelpreglow: If I didn't search for a bit fun, I wouldn't even have installed rockbox in the first place
16:01:00BigBambiLambdaCalculus37: Nah, doesn't help much
16:01:19BigBambiMTP support in linux is still balls
16:01:32preglowBigBambi: doesn't gigabeat s use the same usb "chip" as portaplayers?
16:01:44gevaertsit does
16:01:44LambdaCalculus37BigBambi: You're telling me...
16:01:52*LambdaCalculus37 glares at his Dell DJ
16:02:09BigBambipreglow: I think gevaerts said it was 'just' a case of setting up the inits correctly pretty much
16:02:31*gevaerts confirms
16:02:54preglowwhich is good news!
16:03:38*BigBambi wishes he knew more about how to do such things
16:03:53preglownever too late to learn
16:03:59BigBambiAlways time to learn I suppose
16:04:30BigBambipreglow: Indeed, but I think I need to start with something a little more basic. Like C at all
16:04:48gevaertsIf you don't know C, asm is perfect for you :)
16:04:52BigBambihaha :)
16:05:27LambdaCalculus37Use the Source, BigBambi! :)
16:05:28kugelHmm, with sansalinux, we could compile rockbox on the sansa :)
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16:08:26preglowi'd be very surprised if the ram amount is enough for that
16:08:44preglowi'd actually say asm is simpler than c to learn
16:08:51preglowbut more tedious by far in actual use, of course
16:09:06BigBambiI need to learn the conventions for stuff first of course
16:09:36BigBambiAs always in life, the big problem is real life vs spare time
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16:11:50kugelpreglow: Even if it was, compiling would take like a week
16:12:24kugelIt's worth a try though ;)
16:12:27preglownah, no more than a couple of days :)
16:12:47kugeltrue, with -j option. Sansa is dual-core
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16:41:10tda-atworkI've got a Gigabeat F20 running rockbox
16:41:27preglowgood for you :)
16:41:37tda-atworkBut it's gotten rather bad, lately... it freezes up, crashes, the battery lifespan is down to like 8 hours etc...
16:41:52low_lightgevaerts: can I use rockbox_usb (specifically usb_logf) in a bootloader?
16:42:06tda-atworkAnd I'm wondering if there are any newer MP3 players (ones that are still in production, so I don't need to buy them off eBay) that support Rockbox?
16:42:40preglowi don't really know if there are, anymore. there are several which are being ported now, but no guarantees as to when/if they'll be completed
16:43:02tda-atworkWhich ones are those?
16:43:18low_lightare the iaudio x5's still in production?
16:43:18preglowi'm not really up to speed on that list right now
16:43:21preglowdoubt it
16:43:23tda-atworkI don't wanna buy second hand products
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16:47:02moospreglow: hi, didn't you think about get a S few times ago?
16:48:00*moos still thinks that the beast will be one of the best rockbox target ;)
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16:48:28gevaertslow_light: the driver requires interrupts. I never tried to get it to work
16:48:44LambdaCalculus37low_light: I think Cowon stopped production of the X5's last summer.
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16:53:00low_lightgevaerts: even the usb_serial part for logf? (that's all I want)
16:54:15gevaertslow_light: the base usb driver needs it for any communication to work. In principle you could write an interrupt-less driver, but the current one needs them
16:56:13tda-atworkSo there are no devices whatsoever, still in production, that Rockbox can run on? :-(
16:56:51dionoeahopefully meizu m6 in the near future
16:57:27*gevaerts thinks tha rockbox is really good at making companies stop producing players
16:58:04dionoeaor devs are really slow at reverse engineering firmwares :D
16:58:10*dionoea hides
16:58:49tda-atworkdionoea: Never heard of miezu
16:59:19webtazis the forum ok? the search function brings up an error
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17:04:55low_lightthe cowon d2 port seems to be making good progress
17:05:21markuntda-atwork: we're porting rockbox to this player:
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17:06:18tda-atworkLooks nice
17:06:29tda-atworkThough the storage space is rather limited
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17:06:55LambdaCalculus37tda-artwork: They are indeed very nice players.
17:07:20tda-atworkFlash-based storage?
17:07:38markuntda-atwork: yes, not expansion slot unfortunately
17:07:39LambdaCalculus37Yes. 2, 4, and 8GB capacities are available.
17:07:50tda-atworkhmm... only 8GB...
17:07:53markunnot -> no
17:08:12tda-atworkI suppose it's worth it, since flash uses far less battery power
17:08:29pondlifeThe Meizu OF seems to have decent specs already - any point in Rockboxing it? ;p
17:08:36tda-atworkAnd if it can compare in performance to the gigabeat, it seems pretty nice
17:08:54*gevaerts tried the meizu OFa bit, and doesn't like it much. Not sure why
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17:12:01tda-atworkmarkun: So, how long do you figure it'll take for the miezu to be ported?
17:12:11tda-atworkJust a very rough estimate is all I need
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17:13:00markunpondlife: if I didn't know rockbox so well the OF wouldn't be too bad
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17:18:47preglowmoos: i did indeed, but i don't have much time for rockbox these days
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17:48:13*LambdaCalculus37 is now the proud owner of a Gigabeat S, and is ready to help test!
17:48:32gevaertsGo find out how to enable USB !
17:49:10markungevaerts: that's what LambdaCalculus37 and I were just talking about :)
17:49:26markunbut the person who had to do it in our conversation was you of course :)
17:49:39*gevaerts doesn't have a Gigabeat S
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17:50:21markunI really wonder why it's so difficult for the exisiting gigabeast owners
17:50:28gevaertsDepends... I won't complain if one suddenly arrives in the mail ;)
17:50:51markunwell, I have your address now :)
17:51:09gevaertsMy address is easy to find if you have my email address :)
17:51:14toffe82talking about the S, I have one with a strange problem, the usb is working when you load the firmware but not when you want to transfer files ??
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17:51:33markuntoffe82: howmany S do you have?
17:51:36LambdaCalculus37toffee82: Hmm, very strange.
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17:51:43toffe82so the usb is not managed the same way in the bootloader and in windows ??
17:51:58LambdaCalculus37markun: I think the more appropriate question is "How many Gigabeats do you have?" :)
17:52:31saratoga2gevaerts: i've got a Gigabeat S with a broken screen if you can use it :(
17:52:37toffe82one s60 working and the s30 with this problem but I must some spare board somewhere
17:52:43*gevaerts probably isn't the most appropriate person to search for this usb enable magic. It needs someone with more low-level hardware insight
17:53:09toffe82and the s60 I have to buy from this guy in australia , I should call him back :)
17:53:52tda-atworkAny idea when the meizu might be ported?
17:53:59tda-atworkA month? Two? Three?
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17:54:32LambdaCalculus37tda-artwork: "When it's done" is the answer. We have no idea when it'll be done.
17:54:40Nico_Ptoffe82: I don't quite understand your problem
17:54:50LambdaCalculus37tda-artwork: Remember, real life often gets in the way of Rockbox hacking.
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17:54:59Nico_Ptda-atwork: it will probably be longer than a couple months
17:55:04tda-atworkLambdaCalculus37: I know that "when it's done" always applies to open source projects
17:55:12tda-atworkbut a rough estimate is possible
17:55:27tda-atworkbased on past experience and such
17:55:28LambdaCalculus37tda-artwork: It's really hard to say when, to be honest.
17:55:38tda-atworkI see...
17:55:51tda-atworkhow long does a new port usually take?
17:55:55toffe82Nico_P: for the usb on the S, I can update the firmaware but when using the player to transfer songs, ths usb doesn't work
17:56:03LambdaCalculus37tda-artwork: Here, have a look at the port page:
17:56:04markuntda-atwork: I'll work on it as fast as I can, but it depends on a lot of things
17:56:12LambdaCalculus37We always post progress there.
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17:56:21Nico_Ptoffe82: on mine I need to reconnect the USB between each MTP operation
17:56:27Nico_Pand I'm not the only one
17:56:46LambdaCalculus37tda-artwork: Ports vary. Some were very quick (iAUDIO M5), and a few are taking a long time (Gigabeat S and ZVM).
17:56:51blippeis there a way to "interact" with the player, that is "love"/"hate"/"+1"/grade, whatever?
17:56:58toffe82I don't have problem with the other one, even after booting winxp, it doesn't connect
17:57:02Nico_Ptoffe82: what are you using to get files on it?
17:57:18Nico_Pah, windows, then it's not the same problem at all I guess
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17:58:47*Nico_P thought that his little tar hack for the S would be very short lived
17:59:15*gevaerts tells Nico_P to search for the usb enable magic
17:59:28toffe82Nico_P: original firmware, even the display doesn't show the connected animation
17:59:29Nico_PI wish I had the skills
18:01:50*LambdaCalculus37 wonders if he should fiddle about with the S and find the USB enable magic
18:02:07LambdaCalculus37Except my only Windows XP machine is away in storage...
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18:04:29gevaertsDo you need Windows for that ?
18:05:09LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: I have a few USB traffic monitoring tools installed on it.
18:05:21LambdaCalculus37But I could use a few for Linux, too.
18:05:42gevaertsOnce you start needing those, you're nearly done
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18:13:01LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: The best way to find the enable bit is to monitor the USB traffic, isn't it?
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18:14:26Nico_PLambdaCalculus37: I may be mistaken but I think the enabling we're talking about is more of a hardware thing
18:16:04LambdaCalculus37Nico_P: When my Gigabeast arrives, I'll find out for sure.
18:16:33LambdaCalculus37I know monitoring USB traffic will reveal information, but it may not reveal the enable bit.
18:16:39low_lighttoffe82: an experiment on the philips sa9200, I made an e200 rockbox bootloader and loaded onto the sa9200 via recovery mode. The sa9200 accepts the file and executes it (the display turns white), and then shuts down.
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18:19:06low_lighttoffe82: without display or ata drivers, we're stuck. I want to try to make a very minimal build with logf over usb serial to see what's going on and maybe be able to dump the OF bootloader.
18:19:42toffe82low_light: good
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18:23:40LambdaCalculus37Nico_P: Question: has anyone looked at a disassembled S bootloader yet?
18:23:53Nico_PI think aliask and ptw419 have
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18:24:11Nico_Pptw419 seems to have totally vanished off the face of the earth btw
18:24:49LambdaCalculus37Haven't seen aliask for a while, either...
18:25:37*LambdaCalculus37 looks at the wiki to see if they posted the disassembled S bootloader there
18:25:48Nico_Phe still passes by
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18:29:17*domonoky sees the application count for rockbox gsoc has gone up a bit.. those last minute students.. :-)
18:30:09n1sLambdaCalculus37: I have looked at the gigabeat S bootloader disassembly a bit but haven't found anything related to usb (I'm not much use with arm asm though...)
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18:45:43gevaertslow_light: I just checked. You won't get usb running without interrupts. The controller simply isn't designed for that
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18:46:53gevaertsyou only need the USB interrupt though, so it might still be safe to do
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18:51:11amiconnroolku: That screenshot stuff will (hopefully) change soon
18:51:53roolkuamiconn: I know it is not perfect, but I wanted to get the screenshots into the manual
18:52:31amiconnYes, I understand. Core screenshots are probably wrong coloured too, though
18:53:00roolkuamiconn: it doesn't work for the mpegplayer either (because of the yuv_blit?)
18:53:04amiconnI am planning to add the display colours for non-colour LCDs to the config-*.h files, and then use them universally:
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18:53:38toffe82es un sp[ike muy fino ?
18:53:48toffe82sorry wrong windows
18:53:56amiconnIt should work for mpegplayer. lcd_yuv_blit() doesn't exist for non-colour targets
18:53:57roolkuthat would be good - currently the colours are redefined in multiple places
18:54:21amiconnYes - core screenshot, greylib screenshot (which hooks into the core), and sims
18:54:39amiconnWhat happens when you use the screenshot on mpegplayer?
18:54:42roolkuI did the screenshot in the sim and it came out grey/green
18:55:00amiconnYes, the sim is different...
18:55:03amiconnHence my idea
18:55:46amiconnThe core screenshot colours are defined in misc.c, but better leave them for now
18:56:15amiconnI'll probably split the screenshot function from there
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18:57:51roolkuand the sim also has the negative image (for greyscale emulation) - but i couldn't come up with a good idea on how to change that with minimum impact
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18:58:05amiconnYes, I know
18:58:29amiconnI hope I can fix that, and I'll probably also make display inversion work in the sim
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18:59:18amiconnGreyscale lib screenshots aren't perfect in general - they should undo gamma + lcd correction
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19:00:54*domonoky has done some rockbox gsoc evaluation ( giving -1 to some students) :-)
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19:01:36*gevaerts noticed :) No disagreements from me there
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19:02:59kugellinuxstb: ping
19:04:07*amiconn wonders what -1 means
19:04:52domonokyamiconn: mentors can give student application scores, from -2 to +4
19:05:50domonokythe N top scoring applications are then funded by google.. so we have to give good students high scores, and bad ones low scores.. :-)
19:06:51gevaertsIn this stage, I guess it mostly helps keeping the list somewhat sanely sorted
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19:11:12amiconnroolku: Btw, did you manage to get doom running/ find a possible cause for the crash?
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19:12:29roolkuamiconn: no, I tried to run it in the sim and it also crashed - but I didn't have time to further investigate
19:12:35Nico_Pgevaerts: what about an ARM assembler task for the ARM emulator applicants?
19:12:42amiconnIt crashed in the sim? Interesting...
19:12:48amiconnWhat .wad file did you use?
19:13:37roolkuamiconn: sorry, can't remember - it was only a quick try
19:13:53roolkulet me see if I can do it again
19:14:01gevaertsNico_P: that might be a good idea. OTOH if the focus is on peripherals they might not actually need to be that good at _writing_ ARM assembler
19:14:02amiconnI'd recommend the official "shareware" .wad
19:14:39amiconnNot sure whether freedoom is always stable - and the official one has the added benefit that it has the (only) timedemo
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19:15:29domonokygevaerts: but the might need to be good at _reading_ asm ? so a task to decipher some ARM asm might be good ?
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19:16:38roolkuamiconn: hm, just tried it, it drew the graphic then sort of with debugger
19:17:11gevaertsdomonoky: That could be good. However, I'm going to try and keep out of this specific area as I really know nearly nothing about it...
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19:20:30roolkuamiconn: segmentation fault:
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19:21:10LambdaCalculus37n1s: Do you have some information on the Gigabeast bootloader that I can look through?
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19:22:46amiconnroolku: Hmm, interesting. That's an mr100 sim?
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19:23:30*amiconn builds one
19:23:42ChristopherWwhat are the values of t, i, and j at that line?
19:23:44amiconnI'll need one soon anyway, for mentioned colour unification stuff
19:24:10*roolku is hungry and goes home
19:24:39kugelmarkun: Hmm, I noticed your wiki edit to PluginMpegplayer
19:25:13kugelmarkun: Isn't 224x176 a multiple of 8x8? So I'd recomment this resolution instead of 220x166
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19:25:46amiconnI'd recommend what's possible, and as close as possible to the display dimensions
19:26:10amiconn...or the display dimension, plus a desired width/height ration
19:27:05kugelWhat's closer to the dimensions for you? The 10p wasted or the 4p cut?
19:27:08amiconnThe only requirement is that width and height must be even (of course the *internal* sizes are rounded up to full blocks)
19:27:41amiconnI'd probably use 220x176, and not care about ratio
19:28:08amiconnBut if I'd want 4:3, I'd use 220x166 of course
19:28:19ChristopherW220x176 is 5:4 ratio
19:28:24amiconnI know
19:28:51amiconnMany target resolutions are 5:4 - e.g. the widespread 160x128
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19:29:00kugelamiconn: Doesn't the image quality suffer from transcoding into a different ratio?
19:29:26kugelSince resizing happens
19:29:50amiconnThe image quality suffers from transcoding in general. Of course I would preserve the original pixel aspect ratio in order to keep circles as circles etc
19:30:02amiconnResizing needs to be done anyway
19:30:06ChristopherWjust a note: 216x162 is exactly 4:3, unlike 220x166
19:30:33ChristopherWof course, it doesn't make a visible difference anyway
19:30:34markunkugel: I don't see what the advantage is of using 224x176
19:30:44kugelamiconn: My main point is, that 224x176 should be preferable over 220x166 if some encoders can't do that resolution
19:31:19markunthere might be encoder which can only do 16x16 as well
19:31:24ChristopherWif you encoder can't do 220x166, get a better encoder :)
19:31:33amiconnkugel: If the encoder can't produce all allowed resolution, it's a crappy encoder. If someone still wants to use it, he can do so
19:31:34kugelmarkun: it's 8x8, that's the advantage
19:32:01amiconnBut I wouldn't recommend a non-ideal resolution just because of crappy encoders
19:32:29kugel220x166 isn't ideal either
19:32:45amiconn224x176 has a big disadvantage - it's wider than what's displayed, so the image is clipped at playback
19:32:54markunkugel: why do you always have the oposite opinion from the rest of us? ;)
19:33:02kugelAnd I'd prefer 4 pixellines cut 10 pixellines wasted
19:33:17markunwhy wasted?
19:33:17amiconn220x166 _is_ ideal if you want 4:3, because it both uses the lcd as good as possible and is as close as possible to 4:3
19:33:29kugelmarkun: I just like to initiate discussions
19:33:53markunkugel: in that case I'm done talking
19:34:17ChristopherWkugel: if you wanted 4:3 with multiples of 8, use 224x168
19:34:44kugelChristopherW: Hmm, yea. you're right
19:35:22kugelRight! I got confused by SUPER, which made my 220x176 selection to 224x176 if I forced 4:3
19:35:42*scorche|sh sighs
19:35:43ChristopherWis SUPER an encoder?
19:35:56kugelNo, it's a front end for mencoder
19:36:24ChristopherWso it used the minimum of the width/height
19:36:35kugelBut it supports other encoders too
19:36:36ChristopherWinstead of limiting it to the maximum of the two
19:37:44kugelChristopherW: I don't know anymore what it does. 224x176 isn't 4:3 as you said
19:37:45ChristopherWI wrote a little interactive shell script that uses ffmpeg to transcode videos. it asks the user for aspect ratio, frame rate, video/audio bitrates
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19:38:11kugelOh, I'd like to see it
19:38:15ChristopherWshould I post it?
19:39:07scorche|shthis is getting offtopic...
19:39:21ChristopherWno, it's still about rockbox
19:39:34ChristopherWor about transcoding videos for the mpegplayer in rockbox
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19:44:21ChristopherW^^^ there's my script
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19:45:25LambdaCalculus37ChristopherW: Can you post it onto the MpegPlayer wiki page?
19:45:47*LambdaCalculus37 thinks that script can be very useful for ffmpeg users
19:45:53ChristopherWit's kind of long though
19:46:09LambdaCalculus37We'll call it art in progress. :)
19:46:35LambdaCalculus37ChristopherW: Post the script as a file.
19:46:36ChristopherW(I used ffmpeg because I found it to work easiest and best, but the script could be changed to work with other transcoders)
19:46:55ChristopherWLambdaCalculus37: oh, good idea
19:46:57*LambdaCalculus37 will see if he can fix it to work with VLC and mencoder
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19:47:59ChristopherWI used vlc in the past, but it produced worse quality videos at the same bitrate
19:48:09gevaertsChristopherW: On some systems you need 'mp3' instead of 'libmp3lame'.
19:48:53ChristopherWok, so it can be changed by the user for his/her particular system
19:49:31*LambdaCalculus37 used VLC for all of the videos on his iPod and got good results
19:49:37gevaertsYes. Easy change, but it might be useful to mention this somewhere
19:49:39LambdaCalculus37But I digress...
19:50:10LambdaCalculus37ChristopherW: Don't forget to post some information about tweaking the script to match the user's system if necessary.
19:50:11ChristopherWgevaerts: I agree that I should mention it. I just didn't notice that it was a problem until you pointed it out
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19:50:58*gevaerts needs libmp3lame on his laptop and mp3 on his server. Don't ask...
19:51:26ChristopherWThomasMartitz is editing the PluginMpegplayer topic right now...
19:51:38ChristopherWis it ok for me to edit it too?
19:52:18markunChristopherW: as long as you don't revert any of my edits :)
19:52:51gevaertsDoes it say when he started editing ?
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19:53:13ChristopherWyeah, about 10 minutes ago
19:53:34ChristopherWok, apparently he's done now
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19:54:07ChristopherWbut he didn't change anything
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20:00:19kugelChristopherW: If bash whouldn't have problems with spaces in filenames ...
20:00:42ChristopherWkugel: what do you mean?
20:01:03ChristopherWmy script handles filenames with spaces just fine
20:01:43kugelChristopherW: Nevermind
20:02:00kugelBut my script failed with spaces in the filename yesterday
20:02:41ChristopherWyeah, you need to put the $parameter inside double quotes if it might have spaces in it
20:03:00ChristopherWthat's a pet peeve some people have with the shell language
20:03:24n1sLambdaCalculus37: I'll see if I can post my comments with the disassembly somewhere later tonight
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20:03:52n1sthey are in no way complete and may even be wrong :)
20:03:53kugelChristopherW: Sure , I know that. It just didn't work
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20:05:07LambdaCalculus37n1s: Thanks!
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20:14:02amiconnDoom is working in an mr-100 sim here
20:14:14*amiconn has a suspicion regarding roolku's problem
20:14:20amiconnroolku: Around?
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20:19:30roolkuamiconn: sort of (waiting for dinner to cook)
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20:19:50amiconnroolku: Did you copy the /,rockbox/doom folder from a different target?
20:20:09amiconnIf so, check whether it contains a tranmap.dat, and if present, delete it
20:20:19amiconntranmap.dat is endian dependent
20:20:36roolkuamiconn: I did indeed...let me check
20:21:04amiconnIt will be rebuilt if missing (next game startup will take a little longer)
20:22:01amiconnBtw, doom isn't build for mr-100 in svn
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20:22:43midgeyroolku: how does the mr100 charge?
20:24:12low_lightmidgey: usb or ac with the doc
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20:25:19midgeyi might be able to track down one for $35 but the seller "does not have a charger"
20:25:54roolkumidgey: can charge with USB
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20:26:55domonokyand the charger (us with the dock) has a standard interface, so you can easily replace the charger..
20:27:16roolkumidgey: if you get the dock - the power connector is a generic cylindrical plug 5V (same as gigabeat)
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20:30:15roolkuamiconn: deleting tranmap.dat didn't make a difference on target nor sim - let me recompile (I think the only patch I have is the USB define though)
20:30:35amiconnOdd - a sim works here (cygwin)
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20:31:37preglowwoo, resampler soc project
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20:38:14Nico_Ppreglow: please comment on it :)
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20:41:58Horschtok, bug alert. When "unlocking" an ipod video 5.5G, the buttons don't respond. They respond again as soon as the screen starts fading again.
20:42:16preglowNico_P: i'm not a mentor
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20:44:10domonokypreglow: maybe you can suggest a small task for gevaerts list of test to see if the student is up to the task ?
20:45:39Nico_Ppreglow: I'm not sure but maybe you can still apply as a mentor to help with the reviewing process, and not mentor any of the projects we'll accept
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20:46:05BudVinLo lo.
20:46:23BudVinAck, lag. Sorry
20:47:04*domonoky expermients with m:robes touchsensor.. :-)
20:49:38preglowNico_P: wouldn't know
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20:51:49bluebrotherdomonoky: what's your objective?
20:52:19domonokyremove the "hover effect" of the touchstrip..
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20:52:24scorche|shNico_P: he can...and he gets a shirt!
20:52:38*preglow is actually wearing his old soc shirt as we speak :)
20:53:15bluebrotherhover effect? Never recognized such a thing (but sometimes wrong buttons getting recognized)
20:53:23domonokylimiting button detection to when the z value is higher than 0x15 make the "hover effect" vanish..
20:53:53bluebrotherI was also wondering if the buttons should be made more similar to the Ipods −− and possibly using the "display" button as select
20:53:57domonokybluebrother: you get this wrong buttons, because the touch is to sensitiv, it reacts bevore you touch the surface..
20:54:24preglowdomonoky: would such a task be intended to actually require a good day of work, or just something to see if whoever applies has set up a dev environment and can use it?
20:54:26bluebrotherthen we'd have the same amount of buttons as on the Ipods. And could make the strip a real scroll strip
20:54:29low_lightdomonoky: I think it's best to adjust the hardware sensitivity settings to limit the number of interrupts fired
20:54:50domonokyso if you move your thumb from left to right, you might accidentally trigger select..
20:55:14Nico_Ppreglow: a good day (or even two) of work
20:55:34domonokylow_light: adjust hardware sensitivy is my next try ... :-)
20:55:49low_lightdomonoky: look at the "Report Modes" parameter
20:55:53Nico_Ppreglow: DerPapst invested 16 hours in his task (for a plugin application)
20:56:25Mouser_XPerhaps a little more for bug testing.
20:56:47Mouser_XMore complete bug testing, that is.
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20:57:55preglowi'll see if i can think of something
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21:03:04roolkuamiconn: you were partially right, it was the default.dfg file that needed deleting
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21:40:48aidywhere can i get tcctool for linux?
21:40:53aidyi bricked my D2
21:42:43LambdaCalculus37tcctool is included in the Rockbox source.
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21:44:46*LambdaCalculus37 can't find the particular page that actually had tcctool on it, though... =/
21:46:18linuxstbI don't think there is one...
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21:48:08LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: You can only get tcctool by building from the source, correct?
21:48:32linuxstbaidy, Download the Rockbox source code and you'll find tcctool in utils/tcctool/. e.g. using SVN you can get it with the command "svn co svn:// tcctool"
21:49:01aidythanks a ton :)
21:49:03linuxstbLambdaCalculus37, There's a win32 version on the download server, as that's harder to build. For linux, you just type "make"
21:49:23aidybtw, why is the source in 7zip format?
21:49:41Llorean aidy: Good compression ratio, FOSS extractor?
21:49:42linuxstbBecause it's significantly smaller than zip or gzip
21:50:00aidyaha, just that it wasn't installed on my gentoo install :D
21:50:07aidybut that's more my problem i guess
21:50:27Lloreanlinuxstb: Forum news. I've finished playing around with the test mirror, and have I *think* all the features we had previously working again.
21:50:28linuxstbSVN is the recommended way to get the source anyway (easier to keep up to date)
21:50:47aidyadriaan@localhost:~/Programs$ svn co svn:// tcctool
21:50:50LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: Thanks for covering for me. :)
21:50:50aidysvn: No repository found in 'svn://'
21:51:15LambdaCalculus37aidy: You have to check out the entire trunk.
21:51:16linuxstbOops, should be: svn co svn:// tcctool
21:51:21LambdaCalculus37It's easier, too.
21:51:26domonokyone rockbox too much.. :-)
21:52:17linuxstbLlorean: Sounds good. So we're set to go?
21:52:46Lloreanlinuxstb: It looks fine from my end at least.
21:52:59LloreanEven found a few new nice things. Automated double-post throttling, for example.
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21:53:10linuxstbLlorean: I can't think of anything (apart from the broken Staff link, unless that's been fixed now)
21:53:31LloreanThat's been fixed.
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21:54:13aidyalright got it thanks linuxstb :(
21:54:35linuxstbOn the current site, the "staff" and "new topics" buttons were always visible (even when the user wasn't logged in - which meant the new topics button didn't work). I moved them both within a "if logged_in" statement, but maybe the "staff" button should always be there?
21:54:58critter-i received a iriver h320 which i will either have to get a refund for (and buy a better rockbox mp3 player) or get a replacement ? for the same price can anyone recocommend a better player ? is the ipod 30gb video better ?
21:55:11linuxstbGigabeat F40...
21:55:26domonokycritter-: the h320 is a very good player (with rockbox) ..
21:55:27linuxstbBut "better" is personal opinion - what don't you like about the H320?
21:56:08critter-well mine is smashed so i've got to figure out what to do. it looks cheap which may or not mean it has good sound quality. it just doesn't look like a superior product to me but might be
21:56:28Lloreanlinuxstb: I think keeping it within the "Logged In" area is good. It exposes staff email addresses.
21:56:36LloreanThough only if they've explicitly chosen to expose them.
21:57:04LloreanBut on the new forum site, *only* the email addresses on the staff page are exposed (as far as I can tell), everywhere else email should be handled by way of a form instead.
21:57:09linuxstbLlorean: My only thought was that people having problems logging in might want to contact a staff member - but if they're not logged in, they can't PM...
21:57:22Lloreanlinuxstb: Ah, good point.
21:58:15amiconnroolku: No, greylib screendump always uses the 'values' array for dumping, buffered or not
21:58:26amiconnBut I'll look into screendump anyway
21:58:31critter-am i being too judgemental by juding the h320 on its physical appearance ?
21:58:36Lloreanlinuxstb: We could use this page:
21:58:53LloreanThat should send an email to the webmaster address.
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21:59:40amiconnroolku: Hmm, are you dumping on target or on sim?
22:00:16linuxstbLlorean: I can't access that page (I'm not logged in...)
22:00:23roolkuamiconn: I tried both - mpegplayer and doom come out in green the rest in red
22:00:47Lloreanlinuxstb: Darn.
22:01:13Lloreanlinuxstb: Try again?
22:01:18amiconnInteresting... will check
22:04:05amiconnroolku: Hmm, I know what happens. The code is correct - it's the build system that fools you
22:04:20amiconnThe sub-dir plugins aren't relinked if only the pluginlib changes
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22:04:51amiconnSo your copies of doom and mpegplayer are still pre-r17033
22:05:26amiconnIssue the following command in your build dir: rm apps/plugins/*/*.elf then 'make rocks' again
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22:05:30linuxstbLlorean: Works now - I've just sent an email...
22:05:46amiconnThis 'rm' will remove the .elf files of all sub-dir plugins
22:06:25bluebrotherLlorean: so we're finally going to move the forums?
22:07:35Lloreanbluebrother: We're finally ready to say "we can move the forums at a drop of a hat" at least, I think
22:07:45Lloreanlinuxstb: We'll have to wait on that, it's set to send 'em to scorche.
22:07:51aidyis anyone familiar with unbricking a d2?
22:08:16bluebrotherso I guess there has been some discussion with Jeff about that?
22:08:20aidyi'm not really able to grasp the guide on
22:08:35linuxstbaidy: That's not really on-topic for this channel... I was going to send you to ;)
22:09:06linuxstbAnd I can't explain any better than the tutorials there - I don't own a D2.
22:09:18scorcheContact Page Form for Rockbox Technical Forums
22:09:40scorche|shbluebrother: not really...we are pretty much fed up with him
22:09:52scorche|shat least i am...
22:09:53preglowLlorean: could you reply to #6642?
22:09:53roolkuamiconn: well spotted (but this it really a bug in the build system, isn't it?)
22:10:04linuxstbbluebrother: IIUC, he hasn't responded to any emails from LinusN or Llorean for a long time
22:10:08bluebrotherdoesn't sound too nice :(
22:10:18n1sroolku: one of many...
22:10:20aidylinuxstb: okay :)
22:10:32Lloreanpreglow: I haven't heard the noises in a long time, I *think* it's fixed.
22:10:41preglowLlorean: i do to, i'll close it, then
22:10:49scorche|shbluebrother: ads without saying a word, removing access for both LinusN and Llorean, not responding, etc...
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22:11:22bluebrothereven removing access? Uuuh, that's not nice at all.
22:11:38amiconnroolku: Sure, and it's not the only one. Unfortunately I'm not a Makefile wizard :(
22:11:49linuxstbbluebrother: Co-incidentally at the same time as introducing ads...
22:12:12bluebrothersounds like to prevent someone of removing them again
22:12:37amiconnroolku: Btw, I was only able to spot it so quickly because I also ran into it during my greylib testing/debugging
22:12:40scorche|shbluebrother: either way, we are ready to move and i promise i wont "Pull a Jeff" ;)
22:13:13linuxstbscorche|sh: If you do, we'll just move them again... ;)
22:13:42scorche|shlinuxstb: but i will be hosting the themes too! ;)
22:14:09domonokyscorche somewhere 2010 when the theme site is ready ? :-)
22:14:31*linuxstb is now taking the blame for that...
22:14:56linuxstbBut I should have some time towards the end of this week and at the weekend to finish it.
22:14:57*scorche|sh points domonoky towards linuxstb
22:15:34bluebrotherscorche|sh: didn't you plan on writing an email regarding devcon?
22:15:59scorche|shdomonoky: his version is much better than what i can version is up on the site currently though (although no one should be using it...)
22:16:40scorche|shbluebrother: emphasis on *plan*? ;) ...regardless, now that the forums and themes sites are off my plate for now, i should have some time....
22:16:42kugellinuxstb: Hey, today I struggled a bit with the custom list patch, but I didn't come to a good solution
22:17:01bluebrotheryep, emphasize *plan* ;-)
22:17:22bluebrotherbtw, how's the theme site going? Any test page around to have a sneak?
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22:18:04scorche|shwell, my version is at, but it is getting thrown out in favor of linuxstb's new site which will be a ton better, im sure...
22:18:14linuxstbbluebrother: This is my version -">
22:18:16kugellinuxstb: I wanted to parse the viewport at synclist init, and having the list info vp in the synclist struct. But I came to the point where I realized that every function that gets the parent as a parameter needs the list info viewport too then
22:19:09linuxstbbluebrother: I'm currently working on the upload script - the intention is for it to do very strict validation of the .zip and .wps and then make the theme available automatically if it passes.
22:19:43kugellinuxstb: So I'm not sure if this is the way to go
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22:19:58bluebrotherlinuxstb: hmm, I get blue borders around the images. Is that intended?
22:20:13linuxstbkugel: What's the difference between "parent" and "list info viewport" ?
22:20:26linuxstbbluebrother: Which images?
22:20:50kugellinuxstb: the parent has the default values, the list info has the dimension set in the settings
22:20:50linuxstbYou mean the theme previews?
22:21:23linuxstbkugel: I still don't understand... Shouldn't there just be one viewport?
22:21:45kugellinuxstb: Editting the parent results in not updating parts of the screen
22:22:07kugelJdGordon's old patch had this issue
22:22:15linuxstbbluebrother: Yes, that's intentional (it's the same as the existing site).
22:22:31bluebrotheryep, meant that. Ok.
22:22:46*bluebrother remembers the initial page :)
22:22:49linuxstbbluebrother: But I don't want to get distracted too much with cosmetics - IMO it's good enough, and we can improve it later.
22:23:55amiconnlinuxstb: Would it be possible to ajust the number of colums to the screen width? I get a lot of unused light blue space at the right...
22:24:28*gevaerts also wants that. Even enough to maybe volunteer...
22:25:38domonokyBagder: cool, so we expect two new ports up to speed shortly.. :-)
22:25:41scorche|shwell, about the grid, i think it should be a fewer amount of targets much like the manual page, but as has been said, there are more important things to complete before cosmetics
22:25:51kugellinuxstb: don't forget me pls :)
22:28:40markunBagder: congrats with your new players!
22:28:54pixelmalinuxstb: I'm not sure (well in one case I am) but the descriptions seem to not always match the theme
22:28:59linuxstbamiconn: Yes, I'll look at that after the site launches (but patches will be welcome - I'm intending to put the PHP in SVN)
22:29:20gevaertslinuxstb: as soon as I see the php I'll try something out
22:29:24Bagderthanks, now I'll just have to struggle to get some time with them too between sick kids, work and all the rest
22:29:52linuxstbpixelma: That's possibly just my script that grabbed the themes (and text) from the existing site - that's just test data, and all themes will be deleted before the site goes live.
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22:30:26linuxstbkugel: I'm not sure what to suggest, but passing two viewports doesn't seem the right solution...
22:30:53kugelThe way I just told doesn't seem to be the right one too (for me)
22:31:27pixelmalinuxstb: ah
22:31:40kugellinuxstb: If that isse, that editting the parent wouldn't case the rest of the screen to not update, was fixed, that would be correct
22:31:57crzyboysterOn the current and daily builds pages, the iPod Color/Photo is written as "iPod color/Photo". Shouldn't the c in "color" be capitalized?
22:32:09kugelissue*, cause*
22:33:07kugellinuxstb: With the current code, it's not doable w/o another viewport
22:36:04linuxstbkugel: IMO thought needs to be given to how all of Rockbox will be using viewports, and how Rockbox should be clearing the LCD (or parts of the LCD) when moving between different screens.
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22:37:03caligulaanyone here?
22:37:12soapI think star wipes are a great transitional effect between different screens.
22:37:21scorche|shcaligula: looks like 148 to me
22:37:26markunI was using ttalib-hwplayer as the basis for a rockbox tta codec when I noticed it's not GPL :(
22:37:40kugellinuxstb: I don't quite understand (imo thought?)
22:37:46markunttaenc (which also decodec) is GPL, but contains mallocs
22:37:49caligulaguys, i have a major problem
22:37:58markuncaligula: tell us
22:38:04amiconnmarkun: It doesn't need to be gpl, just gpl compatible
22:38:25 Part aidy
22:38:35caligulai've just installed rockbox on a sansa c200, everything is working great, but when i connect the usb cable while rockbox is loaded the pc doesn't recognize the drive and the player get's stuck
22:38:46markunamiconn: Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice...
22:38:53markunit that compatible?
22:39:08caligulawhich means that even when i disconnect the cable it still shows as if it's connected, and i have to take out the battery
22:39:12scorche|shcaligula: boot into the original firmware first
22:39:23linuxstbkugel: Add a comma after "IMO", or just change that sentence to start "Thought needs..."
22:39:24scorche|shno you dont...hold the power button for about 15 seconds
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22:39:52kugellinuxstb: Ahh ok
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22:40:00caligula15 seconds? anyway, are there any plans to make it work with rockbox?
22:40:19scorche|shcaligula: of course...
22:40:23linuxstbmarkun: Do you have a link to the full license?
22:40:27scorche|shjust be patient ;)
22:41:02caligulaoh! it's turned of! and i'm patient, was just wondering :] it's not a major problem anyway since i transfer music to the sd card anyway
22:41:11gevaertscaligula: normal behaviour would be that the player reboots to the OF. However, there is a bug that happens in some versions that makes it hang instead of reboot
22:41:21linuxstbmarkun: mallocs are normally quite easy to fix in codecs though.
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22:41:43scorche|shcaligula: i thought it was a "major problem" ;)
22:42:12*gevaerts guesses 'player hangs' counts as a major problem for most people if you don't know the hard reset tricks
22:42:18bluebrotherscorche|sh: aren't problems usually "major" in support channels? ;-)
22:42:18markunlinuxstb: and the GPL code is still being worked on, this code is from 2004
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22:42:29caligulawell, for some reason it really bothered me, but when i think about it it's not FOR ME :P
22:43:10linuxstbmarkun: I _think_ that license is fine - it is basically just saying you must accompany any distribution (source or binary) with a copy of the license.
22:43:36gevaertscaligula: you could try upgrading now and then. This bug happens randomly in some versions and not in others.
22:43:50linuxstbmarkun: But yes, I noticed the date - it would seem to make more sense to use the maintained version.
22:44:33ChristopherWoccasionally I get the same bug as caligula with my Sansa e280 in some versions but not others... like it gets fixed then it gets reverted
22:44:35markunand the GPL version also encodes, which could be nice if we can make it much faster than wavpack
22:45:09*gevaerts wonders if anyone actually uses TTA
22:45:15caligulaok, thanks guys! i'll be off :)
22:45:30markungevaerts: according to their website it's a "popular" format ;)
22:46:01linuxstbmarkun: "The True Audio (TTA) - is currently the only lossless codec that accomodates the possibility of real-time hardware encoding." doesn't seem true...
22:46:04Bagderyes, they can even list one obscure DVD player that supports it! ;-)
22:46:17gevaertsRockbox should run on that DVD player !
22:46:24*linuxstb slaps gevaerts
22:46:32markunBagder: with a link to a site that doesn't exist anymore :)
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22:46:49ChristopherWyes, we should turn Rockbox into a video platform too
22:46:50scorche|shgevaerts: just buy one and slip it into linuxstb's drawer
22:47:02linuxstbmarkun: Have you done any comparisons with FLAC (speed, compression size) ?
22:47:03kugellinuxstb: BTW that happens when editing the parent vp: is just a blank page for me
22:47:14gevaertsscorche|sh: isn't that the best way of _not_ getting rockbox on it ? ;)
22:47:32scorche|shgevaerts: ah...true...
22:47:39linuxstbThe site appears to be hosted at now
22:47:47scorche|shgevaerts: hopefully i will liberate an AV300 from it soon though
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22:48:00markunlinuxstb: I compared it only in size. Wavpack and flac are both a bit better.
22:48:06markunI'll do some speed test
22:48:56kugellinuxstb: BUT, I noticed if I leave the wps to the main menu, everything is fine
22:49:16kugellinuxstb: leaving it to the filebrowser results in that what I showed you
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22:49:23kugelI find that quite interesting
22:50:05amiconnscorche: There are 3 more ports in limbo, 2 of which are linuxstb's ...
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22:51:01scorcheamiconn: eh...i am only taking one device of of his drawer...i will likely have a hard enough time as it is...
22:51:02amiconnThe Elio actually adds an interesting twist: It's ata based *and* has a card slot
22:51:16linuxstbamiconn: Do you want it?
22:51:20amiconn...and otg
22:51:35scorcheplus, i already donated 100USD to the fund for it ages ago
22:52:02domonokyperhaps we should promise linuxstb a bonus, if het get those two targets up und running...
22:52:19linuxstbdomonoky: As long as it's not a % of my Rockbox pay...
22:52:23domonokythe bonus should be a new unported target funded by rockbox.. :-)
22:52:34scorche|shlike the dvd player?!
22:52:47bluebrothera bonus on top of the Rockbox salary ;-)
22:52:48amiconndomonoky: An ipod classic 160GB?
22:52:50*linuxstb is starting to feel abused
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22:53:05markunlinuxstb: and for decoding flac also wins: 2.797s vs 5.637s
22:53:25linuxstbmarkun: Sounds a great codec then - slower and less compression than FLAC...
22:53:26bluebrotherhow about a nano 3G? *g*
22:53:29amiconnlinuxstb: The Elio is PP based, right? Could you remind me what the state of things/ the problem is?
22:53:53*scorche|sh guesses "time"
22:54:19markunlinuxstb: in 2004 flac probably wasn't as fast as it is today
22:54:22linuxstbamiconn: Yes, it's PP5020 - very standard stuff (Wolfson codec). The problem is that I never managed to work out the LCD driver, but I think "we" know a lot more about the PP LCD controller(s) now, so RE-ing that would be easier.
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22:54:37*disorganizer still thinks we need a parent-child concept for viewports to clearly identify when which part of the screen is cleared (viewports should only be able to clear their childs, not their parents... but we dont have that *g*)
22:55:09*shotofadds wonders who to ask for more hours in the day :/
22:55:09linuxstbamiconn: The bootloader build runs OK - it can access the hard disk and write debug data. I found most of the buttons on GPIO pins.
22:55:38*bluebrother would also like more time a day
22:55:40kugellinuxstb: There must be something in the drawing of the main menu which makes the whole screen update, something which is not in the drawing of the file tree. Any idea?
22:55:40amiconnlinuxstb: Is there some OF or original bootloader available for disassembling?
22:55:43shotofadds(while wondering whether Bagder got Rockbox running on his D2 yet...)
22:55:46*gevaerts points shotofadds towards politicians. If they can move the entire day by an hour, they should be able to extend it a bit as well
22:56:06Bagdershotofadds: oh not yet, haven't even charged it yet! ;-/
22:56:21linuxstbamiconn: Yes, both - I dumped the flash to get the bootloader. The bootloader (like most mi4 bootloaders I think) is partly thumb code.
22:56:23low_lightlinuxstb, amiconn: I had a brief look at the elio bl by running it throught the emulator. It's doing a lot of stuff with i2c and registers 0x700038XX that I didn't recognize.
22:56:57shotofaddsBagder: I've charged my D2 exactly once since January. The battery life is truly amazing ;-)
22:57:21linuxstbBut don't you have it attached constantly to usb to run tcctool?
22:57:37kugelheh, gotya
22:57:38linuxstbs/constantly/a lot/
22:57:48scorche|shshotofadds: have you had a look at the video out yet?...i was curious if it could be possible to have it just output a line out without the video (although i guess it still remains to be seen whether the audio in the tv out is a true line out or not)
22:57:52shotofaddslinuxstb: not any more :-) plus, it's not connected all that much anyway.
22:58:28bluebrothershotofadds: are you using the player at all? ;-)
22:58:37shotofaddsscorche|sh: not yet (I don't even own the required cable). it's some way down the list i'm afraid...
22:58:37Bagderthe meizu came superfloppy formatted which is a bit odd I think
22:58:40kugelif the d2 wouldn't be so expensive...
22:58:57shotofaddsbluebrother: it's my main daily player
22:58:59scorche|shshotofadds: understandable...line out is just the one thing that keep me from purchasing one ;)
22:59:15shotofaddsscorche|sh: I'll look at it, but no promises...
22:59:18bluebrothershotofadds: then it must run of fresh air or something like that ;)
22:59:33shotofaddsBagder: the D2 is superfloppy, too.
22:59:38scorche|shshotofadds: if you have more important work to do, dont bother...
22:59:45shotofaddsand some are even FAT16
23:00:00Bagderis that some new trend we're seeing?
23:00:07linuxstbAnd the Elio...
23:01:02low_lightand the m:robe 100
23:01:35kugellinuxstb: No idea?
23:01:43Bagderand hey, the D2 has a very fancy box! ;-)
23:01:53Bagderthe one it is shipped in I mean
23:02:05shotofadds..which reminds me: the Debug>Partitons screen shows junk for superfloppy. is that something worth fixing?
23:02:18linuxstbkugel: No - as I said, it needs thinking about, and I'm not thinking about it at the moment.
23:02:24shotofaddsBagder: yes, the pacakging is very nice. Shame the player's a bit odd looking :/
23:02:54*Bagder inserts yet another usb cable to charge the D2
23:03:02kugellinuxstb: I meant to the question I asked you (the main menu updates properly with the parent edited, but the tree not)
23:03:29shotofaddsBagder: is the Meizu really that much smaller?
23:03:41preglowamiconn: move.b %d1, %d2 is equal to %d2 = %d1 & 0xff, yes?
23:03:52amiconnNo, it's not
23:03:59Bagderits smaller in all dimensions but especially its thininess is striking
23:04:11preglowhrm, then what was that trick again
23:04:12scorche|shBagder: thinner than the nano?
23:04:14amiconnmove.b will only change the low 8 bits and keep the top 24 bits
23:04:23preglowbah, so clearing is needed
23:04:35markunscorche|sh: 7mm
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23:04:50markunwhat's the thickness of the nano?
23:04:57*preglow finds ruler
23:05:07Bagderactually, the m6 is exactly as long as the d2
23:05:14Bagderbut narrower and thiner
23:05:20preglow6mm, roughly
23:05:29BagderI believe the screens are the same size
23:05:41amiconnlinuxstb: I would surely consider picking up the elio port, but I'm quite busy with all my other targets already :/
23:06:13gevaertsDeviceChart says that a nano is 7mm
23:06:17bertrikamiconn: do you ever spend time on anything else but rockbox :P ?
23:06:53Bagderbertrik: sure, he can rest while he compiles! ;-)
23:07:03*shotofadds is away for a bit. back later.
23:07:12linuxstbamiconn: OK. The offer is there if you want it in the future - it's no use to me, and I want to work on the Logik Dax at some point.
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23:07:33*preglow eagerly awaits that
23:07:46preglowi definitely want a dab capable player
23:07:49preglowany other ones on the market, btw?
23:07:52amiconnRe all the new flash-based targets - I wonder why the manufacturers are so conservative regarding storage capacity :\
23:08:06gevaertsprice ?
23:08:15jhMikeSthen they force you to buy expansion cards
23:08:17BagderiAUDIO - Friends & Lovers.mp3 is still with us
23:08:20amiconnI mean, 32GB CF cards are available already - why do most flash-based daps stop at 8GB?
23:08:21linuxstbpreglow: Hopefully the DAB chipset in the logik dax is the same as the D2...
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23:08:36bertrik4 GB sd-card is only E15,- but price difference between 4GB and 8GB player is much higher
23:08:37preglowd2 does dab?
23:08:37amiconnjhMikeS: The meizu has no slot...
23:08:40Bagderamiconn: D2 has a full SD...
23:08:55preglowwhat chipset does the d2 use again? telechips?
23:08:57markunamiconn: unfortunately not
23:09:06Bagderpreglow: yeps
23:09:15linuxstbpreglow: Yes. Two different ARM cores...
23:09:22preglowi am kind of ithcing to do some work on a new port...
23:09:24linuxstbSee the TelechipsInfo wiki page.
23:09:30jhMikeSmeizu wasn't thinking "give them the razor, sell them the blades (at ridiculous prices)" then :)
23:09:33preglowoh shit, it's that huge video player thing
23:09:42linuxstbNo, it's tiny...
23:09:49preglowso i see!
23:09:54kad-somebody can help me to unlock my hdd with ata pasword tool please ( sorry for my english , i'm french ! lol)
23:10:09preglowdoesn't cost the earth either
23:10:11Bagderis being french that fun?
23:10:21markunnice, google still sends people here about HDD passwords :)
23:10:34*bluebrother wonders what's so funny about a locked hard disk
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23:10:39*jhMikeS should apologise for his French (he's part English) :p
23:11:19*preglow should apologise for his english, since he's part english
23:11:29markunkad-: I don't think anyone in here can help you
23:11:48linuxstbkad-: All the information we know is on that (very very old) web page you found.
23:11:51markunBagder: or do you know something about HDD passwords from the early days of the Archos?
23:12:03kad-no but french people are known not to be good in english
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23:12:12Bagdermarkun: not anything more than what is already said on the page kad- read before he came here
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23:12:27belzehey, i got a quick question that i couldnt find an answer for on the page: is it possible to control the brightness of the leds that are enlightning the scroll wheel on the sansa e280?
23:12:38linuxstbBagder: That page was last modified in March 2008...
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23:12:43scorche|shkad-: this channel is about #rockbox...not unlocking hard drives, sadly...
23:12:56Bagderlinuxstb: yes, when zagor merged everything over to the new dir/setup
23:13:01kad-ok thank's a lot about your help
23:13:02scorche|shbelze: the answer to that should be in the manual..
23:13:03Bagderthe contents wasn't changed I'm sure
23:13:08gevaertssansalinux seems to have reached lwn
23:13:08*jhMikeS is Polish, English, Lithuanian, German and Irish and so apologises to the world Xd (and for the OT crud)
23:13:34kad-ok so i don't know wath is rockbox
23:13:38belzescorche|sh: i know the feature is not implemented, but would it be possible from the hardware side?
23:13:45kad-so i have to leave
23:13:49Bagdergevaerts: link?
23:14:03kad-thank's a lot
23:14:09Nico_Ppreglow: you have an S, don't you?
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23:14:23gevaertsBagder: (just a link to
23:14:25kad-bye bye
23:14:31markunbye bye
23:14:45kad-thank you markun
23:15:01BagderI find it amusing that sansalinux isn't ipodlinux fixed to run on ipod and sansa...
23:15:18bluebrothersomeone interested in trying current rbutil? I just made a new w32 binary
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23:16:07bluebrotheraround at
23:16:47scorche|shBagder: but what would they call it then?!
23:17:14Nico_PjhMikeS: you said something about metadata parsers that should yield. what did you mean? is this a cause for some of the problems on the video ipod?
23:17:34amiconnscorche: daplinux?
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23:18:09amiconnOr that...perhas
23:18:22gevaertsrocklinux ?
23:18:25*gevaerts ducks
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23:18:41jhMikeSNico_P: I do notice a fuller buffer at the start (like 5 to 10x as much data) if I yield the parser or put a sleep(0) after get_metadata
23:18:50DerPapstmaybe both parties can be convinced to put both into svn, no?
23:19:04domonokyhey the mention the have SDL in sansalinux, so we could port the rockbox sim.. :-)
23:19:05DerPapst*into one svn repo
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23:19:39Nico_PjhMikeS: on the ipod or on all targets? are you planning on committing?
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23:21:04jhMikeSI have a little patch if you could tell me what happens there (quite positive for 30gig video)
23:22:10preglowNico_P: nope, still only h120 and nano
23:22:37Nico_Poh I thought you'd bought one
23:22:55Nico_Pbut if you're itching to work on a port, get one! :)
23:23:27Nico_PjhMikeS: that's a lot of tries :)
23:23:40preglowlinuxstb: anything holding you back on the dax but time?
23:23:50jhMikeSit feels like 10000 anyway
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23:24:19quest23need some help
23:24:22preglowlinuxstb: i like the specs on the d2...
23:24:24linuxstbpreglow: Yes, just time. I'm expecting a lot of shotofadds' work on the D2 will be easy to port to the dax.
23:24:24quest23cant get rockbox to load
23:24:35preglowquest23: be more specific
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23:24:43quest23one sec
23:25:30*bluebrother goes for crystal ball
23:26:14quest23file: (hd0,1)/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod err: open failed
23:26:27quest23i get that on my ipod 5th gen when i try to load rockbox
23:26:29bluebrotherquest23: we don't support Loader2 ...
23:26:43preglowuse the rockbox bootloader if you want help here, we don't support ipodlinux stuff
23:27:03quest23i tried but i couldnt figure it out
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23:27:08quest23i am a ubuntu user
23:27:18Nico_PjhMikeS: what's the difference between sleep(0) and yield()?
23:27:20preglowusing ipodpatcher is exceedingly simple
23:27:28linuxstbquest23: That doesn't stop you using the Rockbox bootloader...
23:27:28bluebrotherthe manual holds all needed information. And we have Rockbox Utility for nice installation
23:27:41jhMikeSNico_P: sleep(0) sleeps at least until the end of the next tick
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23:27:56quest23how do i fix this using linux
23:28:10jhMikeSyield() just turns control to another thread (if another is running)
23:28:20linuxstbquest23: Do you want Rockbox or Rockbox + iPodLinux ?
23:28:22bluebrotheruninstall Loader2 and install Rockbox' bootloader
23:28:39linuxstbquest23: Then just follow the install instructions in the manual.
23:28:43quest23got ipod linux sucks
23:28:43scorche|shquest23: we have a very fine manual for these things
23:28:50markunquest23: you could try
23:29:11bluebrothermarkun: it's even linked from the manual ;-)
23:29:13preglowlinuxstb: why, tv-out too...
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23:29:15Nico_PjhMikeS: I think it's better than it was without the sleep(0) call, but it's still not as good as SVN is
23:29:20DerPapstquest23: pffffff
23:29:20markunquest23: rockbox might suck for you as well :)
23:29:31markunwhat are you expecting it to do?
23:29:38jhMikeSNico_P: be more specific
23:29:38bluebrotherindeed. Rockbox sucks :P
23:29:45preglowlinuxstb: do you know if it's capable of decoding video at tv resolutions, though?
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23:30:10linuxstbpreglow: I don't know much about the D2.
23:30:11quest23well..from what ive seen it has alot of capabilities
23:30:13*bluebrother hides
23:30:18quest23and whatnot
23:30:27DerPapstalways remember.. rockbox sounds like a bag of shit :-P
23:30:35quest23i just want to be able to give my ipod a new look
23:30:36*bluebrother misses the quest23's question
23:30:41*jhMikeS hears logbot walking closer
23:30:59linuxstbquest23: That's not what Rockbox is about - it completely changes how your ipod operates.
23:31:01bluebrotherwho needs a "new look" if he can get Rockbox?
23:31:03Nico_PjhMikeS: my test is to resume playback on startup, and pause/unpause a couple times during the initial loading phase. on svn there is almost no response delay. here there's a delay of a couple seconds
23:31:24bluebrotherquest23: it's also not what's IPL about ...
23:31:42*DerPapst thanks bluebrother :-)
23:31:47Nico_Pwith no sleep(0) call, as it was before you reinstated the hack, the delay could get very long (something like 5 to 10 seconds)
23:31:51linuxstbquest23: We think for the better though - e.g. it frees you from itunes (or third-party equivalent) and lets you just copy files directly to your ipod's disk and play them.
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23:31:55quest23so what do you recommend..that i uninstall both and just stick with what i had
23:32:10markunquest23: some info about what you get with rockbox:
23:32:21markun(it doesn't mention all the bugs of course :)
23:32:26linuxstbquest23: You don't lose anything by trying Rockbox - but be prepared that it changes more than just the looks. The manual is very helpful...
23:32:28DerPapstquest23: try out rockbox. if you like it keep it if not uninstall it again
23:32:29bluebrotherwell, you could of course check out Rockbox. Beware that it's completely different than AppleOS.
23:32:41jhMikeSNico_P: That reduces it to a couple second from 5 to 10? hmmm...I'd say we have a inkling that something isn't yielding enough in that area.
23:32:45bluebrotherif you just want a different look, stick to the old firmware.
23:33:17preglowjhMikeS: done any work on preemptive multitasking? :>
23:33:18Nico_PjhMikeS: I might be overestimating the delays there used to be, but I think that's a step in the right direction
23:33:58Nico_P(i.e. the patch is a step in the right direction)
23:34:25Nico_Pmaybe audio_load_track needs to yield more
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23:36:20jhMikeSNico_P: I think the metadata parsers can go way too long without giving up control since it may scan up to twice as many bytes without having to read again.
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23:37:08amiconnNico_P, jhMikeS: I have the impression that *something* completely stops yielding for a while if there's high activity during start of playback
23:37:48jhMikeSpreglow: mostly thinking about it and the #1 start concern there is the disk
23:38:05preglowjhMikeS: in what way? preempting transfers?
23:38:09amiconnI had some strange effects when running fire.rock during buffering when greyscale wasn't on cop. Buttons *completely* unresponsive for >10 seconds after returning from the plugin
23:38:17Nico_Pamiconn: that would be audio_load_track. it does quite a lot of stuff and none of it yields AFAIK
23:39:15jhMikeSNico_P: try putting yields right in the metadata parser for whatever format you're testing with
23:39:29jhMikeSthat actually gave the best results for me
23:39:44amiconnThat was on 2nd Gen, btw
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23:40:34*preglow dislikes yield()
23:40:41jhMikeSpreglow: mostly concurrency in the FAT driver. it's not 100% secure even now for removable storage.
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23:43:41kugellinuxstb: Ok, I've tried editing the parent viewport again. I changed the update_viewport in list_draw a bit, and everything seems to update just fine, EXCEPT the filetree
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23:44:13jhMikeSpreglow: and I'm not sure how to pull it off on PP for the COP either (what drives the quantum tick there? TIMER2 is used for other purposes. Mailbox IRQ would probably be needed).
23:44:59*Bagder does the dance of the growing committers list
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23:46:14Nico_PBagder: mcuelenare?
23:46:14kugelBagder: Have fun :P
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23:46:24BagderNico_P: yeps
23:46:43preglowbah, d2 is of course not as cheap as you'd think in norway
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23:47:56Nico_PjhMikeS: I added a couple yields in get_mp3_metadata but I don't really see an improvement
23:49:10Nico_Pmy guess is that in the initial buffering phase (which seems to be much slower than the rest of the buffering), the buffering thread is competing with the metadata parsers over the disk
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23:54:42preglowamiconn: btw, any technical details preventing us from merging the 64 meg ipod video build with the 32 meg one, or just again a matter of time?
23:54:46jhMikeSthe difference is that in SVN, the hack object doesn't block (just "busy yields") so the thread waiting keeps its position in the run list. A mutex wake will put it at the end (this is proper) but since the list is just circular anyway for two threads running this should be equivalent.
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23:55:55markunpreglow: a question for you?
23:56:20critter-can you put rockbox on any revision of the ipod video 30gb ?
23:56:34critter-thank you
23:56:45preglowmarkun: will answer it
23:56:51jhMikeSone question is why I don't observe a speed difference on other devices regardless

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