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| 00:01:45 | * | amiconn ponders trying to make the 2003 Rockbox April fool's joke becoming a reality (just for that purpose, don't think it will be really playable) |
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| 00:06:02 | * | DerPapst wonders what it was... |
| 00:07:15 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/doom/ |
| 00:08:00 | DerPapst | heh |
| 00:08:02 | gevaerts | Go for it :) |
| 00:08:40 | amiconn | The problem might be too little ram for zone allocation. It might require an 8MB-modded archos (which I do not have) |
| 00:09:41 | bluebrother | use a swap file ;-) |
| 00:10:01 | amiconn | Haha, the zone management already *is* doom's way of using a swapfile |
| 00:10:22 | amiconn | Doom doesn't load the whole .wad file at once |
| 00:11:40 | bluebrother | interesting. |
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| 00:12:11 | bluebrother | I just rememberd someone asking on the forums if Rockbox would benefit from a swap file *urgh* |
| 00:12:33 | scorche|sh | wasnt that "z"? |
| 00:12:43 | gevaerts | No reason to go for a large .wad |
| 00:12:44 | bluebrother | can't remember |
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| 01:26:03 | `Sader` | My rock box on my 1st gen nano is messed up, It won't turn the back light on, and it makes the screen go upside down nad backwards.. any ideas whats going on ? |
| 01:26:57 | scorche|sh | have you tried resetting the settings? |
| 01:27:11 | `Sader` | How do i go about doing that? I've delted the config.cfg |
| 01:27:16 | `Sader` | deleted* |
| 01:30:15 | `Sader` | anyone? |
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| 01:38:21 | `Sader` | My rock box on my 1st gen nano is messed up, It won't turn the back light on, and it makes the screen go upside down and backwards.. any ideas? |
| 01:39:37 | gevaerts | `Sader`: the manual contains info on how to reset the settings |
| 01:40:48 | `Sader` | I'll look again. |
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| 01:44:06 | `Sader | My 5th gen video won't turn on after installing rockbox a couple of days ago. Trying to reset and charge up but not luck, chances this is rockbox problem or something else? |
| 01:44:34 | gevaerts | Asking every fivce minutes isn't going to give you another answer, it will just irritate people |
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| 01:47:18 | scorche|sh | well, this is a different question with a difference device... |
| 01:47:26 | scorche|sh | s/ce/t |
| 01:47:36 | gevaerts | oops |
| 01:47:46 | gevaerts | Sorry `Sader, I misread... |
| 01:48:44 | gevaerts | It's most probably not a rockbox issue though. |
| 01:49:22 | preglow | `Sader: won't turn off how? keeping play pressed for a long time does nothing while in rockbox? |
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| 01:59:18 | `Tanner | My ipod 1st gen got messed up, it had rockbox worked great for a week.. Then lagged up and inverted the text, upside down and backwards. I'm restoring it now but it doesn't look like it helped any. Can anyone please help me? |
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| 02:01:53 | krazykit | `Tanner, do you have this issue on the original firmware? |
| 02:02:14 | `Tanner | Yes. |
| 02:02:15 | DerPapst | does rolo work on the sansas? |
| 02:02:21 | gevaerts | It does |
| 02:02:39 | `Tanner | I'm restoring it again. I'm very worried. |
| 02:02:39 | DerPapst | comlains about invalid checksum here. |
| 02:02:46 | DerPapst | *complains even |
| 02:03:08 | krazykit | `Tanner, if the original firmware displays the same error, it isn't rockbox, as no rockbox code is running at that point. |
| 02:03:30 | `Tanner | aw man. I'm freakin. Any ideas? |
| 02:03:55 | krazykit | learn to read backwards? |
| 02:04:17 | `Tanner | It's upside down, backwards, and letters are backwards. anything seriously? |
| 02:05:25 | DerPapst | scramble -add=e200 ./in.bin ./out.mi4 is correct, isn't it? |
| 02:05:47 | linuxstb | DerPapst: No. You want -mi4v2 instead of -add=e200 |
| 02:06:04 | DerPapst | ahhh |
| 02:06:12 | `Tanner | I'm restoring again. |
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| 02:12:35 | DerPapst | kernel panic... ;-) |
| 02:12:57 | gevaerts | Nice change from Data Aborts ;-) |
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| 02:27:57 | DerPapst | linuxstb: btw, thnks, it worked. |
| 02:31:02 | jhMikeS | which metadata parser is for alac? |
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| 02:31:41 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: The mp4 one |
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| 02:37:06 | jhMikeS | ipod video sure has odd buffer filling behavior |
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| 02:52:10 | goettlek | hello |
| 02:52:31 | goettlek | Is anyone there? |
| 02:53:13 | advcomp2019 | goettlek, yea, just ask your question |
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| 02:59:26 | DerPapst | good night all :-) |
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| 03:08:14 | * | jhMikeS did some checks and it seem metadata parsers should yield |
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| 03:41:45 | WeaponX | hiya |
| 03:41:47 | WeaponX | quick question |
| 03:42:18 | WeaponX | can i add files only from a music folder on my ipod to the database and not like ever .mp3 or playable file i have on my ipod? |
| 03:42:28 | WeaponX | btw 5.5g 80gb video ipod |
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| 04:18:42 | cool_walking_ | WeaponX: Put a file called "database.ignore" in the root of your player, then put a file called "database.unignore" in your music folder. |
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| 04:44:56 | soap | whoa whoa whoa - McDLT |
| 04:45:42 | soap | Let's keep the hot side hot and the cool side cool. |
| 04:46:18 | soap | my bad. I was thinking this was rocbox-community and there was support going on! |
| 04:46:27 | soap | carry on. ;) |
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| 05:03:35 | scorche | errrr....definitely update :) |
| 05:03:43 | ipod_4g_user | Yeah, I thought so. |
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| 05:49:26 | ipod_4g_user | Holy Cow!!! Rockbox Util actually *works* now! Amazing... it's new Qt-ness is extremely slick. Can't believe how easy that was. |
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| 07:30:01 | JohnnyBoy | hey guys |
| 07:31:35 | JohnnyBoy | anyone alive ? |
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| 07:36:34 | advcomp2019 | JohnnyBoy, yes, just ask your question if you have one |
| 07:37:47 | JohnnyBoy | k installed rockbox on my 30gb i-pod video |
| 07:38:19 | JohnnyBoy | clicked on batabase on the i-pod |
| 07:38:50 | JohnnyBoy | got database is not ready |
| 07:39:21 | JohnnyBoy | i am wondering if i have to make a file on my harddrive for it to copy from ? |
| 07:39:33 | scorche | JohnnyBoy: you really should read the manual... |
| 07:39:45 | JohnnyBoy | i am working on that |
| 07:39:48 | JohnnyBoy | its a long read |
| 07:39:58 | scorche | thats alright...keep chugging long... |
| 07:44:18 | JohnnyBoy | allright i'll be back when i mess it up |
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| 08:17:34 | mrkiko | Hi all! |
| 08:17:38 | mrkiko | Hi all! |
| 08:18:20 | mrkiko | I saw Nico_P resolved the problems persisting with playback; I red it's commit log |
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| 08:18:53 | mrkiko | Now - the problem of the current track repeating persist only when the disk was not active and has to spin up to pass to the next track. |
| 08:22:46 | mrkiko | I noticed rockbox crashes some times when I navigate to the file browser - no bug reports can be posted since I can't reproduce this reliably. |
| 08:22:56 | mrkiko | It will never happen if playback is in progress while navigating. |
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| 08:23:23 | mrkiko | And it never happens if voice is not talking when I press another key. |
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| 10:10:02 | Monkeytamer | Hello, I have registered for the Wiki, and have a theme that I would like to upload. Might someone be so kind as to grant write privileges? |
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| 10:16:17 | petur | wiki name? |
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| 10:16:47 | petur | are you JakeMelvin ? |
| 10:16:52 | Monkeytamer | oh, yes |
| 10:16:53 | Monkeytamer | thanks |
| 10:17:03 | Monkeytamer | I had to switch clients, didn't know you saw the comment |
| 10:17:37 | petur | done... |
| 10:17:44 | Monkeytamer | thank you |
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| 10:29:50 | pondlife | petur: I added the H300 bootloader test/fix onto the DevCon agenda, even though it's not really a full-group thing - hope that's ok with you. |
| 10:30:12 | petur | pondlife: I was thinking of doing the same! |
| 10:30:23 | Bagderr | the whole group gets involved when it's time to laugh at the mistakes! |
| 10:30:31 | pondlife | Of course! |
| 10:30:32 | petur | yeah ;) |
| 10:30:49 | pondlife | Duh! Who'd have thought you needed to init that first.... |
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| 10:31:08 | pondlife | Anyways, I won't be able to make the last weekend in June now. |
| 10:31:09 | petur | I do hope to find something sooner, though... I think I will manage some rb time on sunday afternoon :/ |
| 10:31:28 | pondlife | Cool. I still haven't found time to test SVN here |
| 10:31:34 | pondlife | on H380, I mean |
| 10:31:44 | pondlife | Maybe today, maybe not |
| 10:33:25 | pondlife | Hmm, much of the text on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox should apply to all SWCODEC targets, not be under "Model Specific".. |
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| 10:34:29 | petur | Monkeytamer: you attached your theme but it's not on the page yet? |
| 10:34:47 | Monkeytamer | oh, I'm almost done |
| 10:34:54 | Monkeytamer | I think.. |
| 10:34:59 | Monkeytamer | unless I am doing something wrong |
| 10:35:26 | markun | Bagderr: do you know when Zagor will be back? |
| 10:36:22 | Bagderr | no |
| 10:38:33 | Monkeytamer | Ok, it's been posted |
| 10:38:59 | Monkeytamer | except, I forgot the attachment.. |
| 10:39:46 | Monkeytamer | fixed.. |
| 10:42:09 | petur | Monkeytamer: is there a reason the wps screenshot is called menu and the menu screenshot is called wps? ;p |
| 10:42:34 | Monkeytamer | not any real reason, other than it being late |
| 10:42:46 | Monkeytamer | and I'm prone to boneheaded mistakes, haha |
| 10:42:56 | Monkeytamer | can I fix that |
| 10:43:32 | petur | nah, not an issue... just switch the images around on the page |
| 10:43:54 | Monkeytamer | Oh ok, no problem. |
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| 12:02:48 | pondlife | Possibly a very silly question, but is there a way to start construction of a playlist without starting playback? If I select a file in the browser and do an Insert, it always starts playback too. |
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| 12:08:12 | gibbon_ | hmm |
| 12:08:18 | gibbon_ | thats not too silly |
| 12:08:33 | gibbon_ | but i don't have an answer |
| 12:09:41 | pondlife | I tend to just mute my output beforehand, then make up a playlist and remember to pause and skip back to the start before I start playback. |
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| 12:17:11 | pondlife | Nico_P: When's that exam? :) |
| 12:17:22 | Nico_P | pondlife: I just got back from uit |
| 12:17:36 | pondlife | Ah, so I'm too late to wish you luck. |
| 12:17:47 | Nico_P | hehe, thanks all the same :) |
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| 12:20:41 | pondlife | We should add a compulsory field to Flyspray to force everyone opening a task (or adding a comment?) to enter their build revision...then refuse them entry unless number_entered == current_svn |
| 12:21:31 | Nico_P | hahah I like the idea but that could get quite hard... we sometimes commit faster than people could build and test :) |
| 12:21:42 | pondlife | Sounds like fun :) |
| 12:22:15 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8394 is so vague... |
| 12:22:47 | Nico_P | have you tested my latest playback.c commits btw? |
| 12:22:59 | pondlife | No... |
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| 12:23:15 | pondlife | Last one I saw was the gwps one |
| 12:24:06 | Nico_P | oh then you're up to date in that regard I believe |
| 12:24:10 | pondlife | Ah, ok |
| 12:24:29 | Nico_P | the following ones were nothing much |
| 12:24:47 | Nico_P | I have a few more ideas I want to try out, but I don't want to make too many at once, to avoid a new bug creeping in between |
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| 12:25:03 | pondlife | I've not had any sign of track skipping problems... you were saying it was broken |
| 12:25:17 | Nico_P | skipping backwards isn't very fun |
| 12:25:27 | pondlife | Seems fine here, so far |
| 12:26:12 | Nico_P | one of the things I'm not pleased with is how inefficient it is to skip multiple times |
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| 12:26:23 | pondlife | Well, you know what I think about that... |
| 12:26:37 | pondlife | There should not be a "skip" API, just a select one |
| 12:27:00 | pondlife | i.e. play track n should cater for all cases without unnecessary rebuffering |
| 12:27:17 | Nico_P | yes, but even that way, skipping in the WPS would result in multple "change track" events |
| 12:28:00 | Nico_P | "load n", "load n+1", "load n+2"... that's lots of unnecessary work |
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| 12:28:37 | pondlife | I'd hope that the overhead should be quite small, until it comes to buffering |
| 12:29:21 | Nico_P | if audio_fill_file_buffer is called each time, it could still hit the disk quite a few more times than needed |
| 12:29:42 | pondlife | It should just be saying "is track n buffered?" |
| 12:29:43 | Nico_P | (to load the codec, the metdata and the AA) |
| 12:30:06 | Nico_P | yes, I'm imagining the case where it isn't |
| 12:30:48 | pondlife | Well, track n+2 request would be satisfied shortly after track n+1 anyway.. if not we could interrupt |
| 12:33:22 | pondlife | The spinup is the slowest part |
| 12:33:25 | Nico_P | the problem is with clearing the tracks each time I guess |
| 12:33:47 | pondlife | Yes, there should be no clearing at all, until the buffer space is needed for new data. |
| 12:35:33 | Nico_P | I'll look into that |
| 12:35:54 | Nico_P | there's far too much unnecessary clearing anyway |
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| 13:17:12 | JdGordon | Nico_P: hey, I had some wierd playback today with svn... same as yesterday.. it started playing the next track after a few sec, and kept changing to the next one... pressing prev to go back kept advancing the playlist... |
| 13:17:37 | Nico_P | JdGordon: which codec was it with? |
| 13:18:31 | JdGordon | mp3 |
| 13:18:59 | Nico_P | very weird then |
| 13:19:22 | Nico_P | didn't you mention a possible disk failure yesterday? |
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| 13:20:23 | JdGordon | ill run a chkdisk |
| 13:25:37 | JdGordon | nope.. windows rekons the disk is fine |
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| 13:36:01 | Graphil | hi @ all! |
| 13:36:35 | markun | hi Graphil |
| 13:36:54 | Graphil | is there someone who has time to help me with my iPod nano (2GB v1.1.3)??? |
| 13:37:00 | Graphil | hi markun |
| 13:38:13 | markun | I don't know much about the nano and don't have much time |
| 13:38:14 | Graphil | auf deutsch gehts au! ^^ |
| 13:38:20 | preglow | Graphil: if you've got questions, you should just ask them |
| 13:38:30 | Graphil | kk |
| 13:39:59 | markun | preglow: we do realtime wavpack encoding, right? |
| 13:40:00 | Graphil | I copied the rockbox (4 nano) on the root dic and started the ipodpatcher.exe after that |
| 13:40:57 | Graphil | but the app don't find the ipod... |
| 13:41:13 | preglow | markun: aye |
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| 13:41:35 | Graphil | just as I typed "ipodpatcher 1" it was found |
| 13:41:58 | markun | preglow: I asked because of this statement: http://tta.sourceforge.net/codec.hardware |
| 13:42:15 | markun | but it looks like the site hasn't been updated since 2005 |
| 13:42:16 | Graphil | but how can I tell the programm that is has to look at device "1"??? |
| 13:43:48 | preglow | markun: yeah, that's bullshit, wavpack encoding is the same complexity as wavpack decoding |
| 13:43:57 | preglow | markun: unless you use the assymetrical modes, of course |
| 13:45:48 | LinusN | perhaps it is the keyword "hardware" that is the point |
| 13:46:13 | Bagderr | whatever that means |
| 13:46:20 | Bagderr | in that context |
| 13:46:52 | LinusN | my interpretation is that you can implement the codec purely in hardware |
| 13:47:15 | LinusN | still, nowadays "hardware" can mean an SoC |
| 13:47:25 | preglow | possibility of hardware encoding |
| 13:47:27 | preglow | that's saying nothing |
| 13:47:34 | preglow | everything has the possibility of hardware encoding |
| 13:47:36 | Bagderr | that's my point, "hardware" is a blurry term |
| 13:47:44 | Graphil | is there no one who can help me??? |
| 13:47:50 | preglow | Graphil: i can' |
| 13:47:55 | preglow | Graphil: i can't help with ipodpatcher issues, sorry |
| 13:48:04 | Bagderr | Graphil: are you following the instructions in the manual? |
| 13:48:18 | Graphil | yes of 'course |
| 13:48:31 | preglow | it's probably an ipodpatcher issue, i think it sometimes doesn't detect units correctly |
| 13:48:50 | Graphil | what can I do about that? |
| 13:49:13 | preglow | don't know |
| 13:51:38 | gevaerts | Graphil: does 'ipodpatcher -l' give any output ? |
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| 13:54:00 | Graphil | gevaerts: http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/1686/outfs8.jpg |
| 13:54:43 | gevaerts | is itunes active ? |
| 13:54:47 | preglow | Llorean: around? |
| 13:55:32 | Graphil | no iTunes installed |
| 13:55:56 | gevaerts | do you have administrator rights ? |
| 13:56:02 | Graphil | of 'course |
| 13:56:30 | Bagderr | and it is a 1st gen ipod nano? |
| 13:57:06 | Graphil | yes I think so - (2GB version) |
| 13:57:15 | Graphil | how can I find it out? |
| 13:58:06 | gevaerts | http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61688 might help |
| 13:58:09 | markun | Look like they now use this wiki based site, but still the same info: http://www.true-audio.com/TTA_Lossless_Audio_Codec_-_Hardware_Support |
| 13:59:28 | Graphil | looks like it's the 1st gen |
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| 14:39:52 | markun | does anyone have the mpeg-1/2 specs, or do you have to pay money to get them? |
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| 14:42:46 | preglow | pay, i guess |
| 14:42:59 | preglow | anything in particular you're wondering about? |
| 14:45:20 | markun | preglow: I got an email from someone who didn't like it that I changed the resolutions for mpegplayer to multiples of 2x2 because his encoder didn't support it (only 8x8) |
| 14:45:45 | markun | and he asked me if it shouldn't be changed back since not all encoder support this |
| 14:47:44 | preglow | all streams have to be 8x8 internally, but it sounds a bit weird that provisions are not made to crop pictures in decoding |
| 14:48:08 | preglow | actually, i believe they have to be 16x16 internally |
| 14:48:09 | markun | the sequence header has a separate value to set the display resolutino |
| 14:48:51 | preglow | yeah, good |
| 14:49:07 | markun | which we use, nothing hackish I think |
| 14:49:35 | markun | and all our encoder examples (which are probably all ffmpeg based :) support this |
| 14:50:03 | markun | He uses "TMPGEnc" |
| 14:52:18 | preglow | a popular one |
| 14:54:01 | markun | I wonder why want it to be a multiple of 8 if a multiple of 2 also works |
| 14:54:25 | markun | Maybe we should just add a not to the wiki page |
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| 14:55:33 | preglow | well, a multiple of eight is also a multiple of two, why is this a problem? |
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| 14:56:47 | * | amiconn is wondering the same |
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| 15:34:18 | markun | preglow: 220x176 for example |
| 15:35:51 | markun | the best 4:3 resoluion is 220x166 which isn't a multiple of 8x8 |
| 15:36:27 | preglow | i still don't see a problem, people with limited encoders can just go along as they always have, if rockbox supports 2x2 resolutions, good for us |
| 15:36:41 | * | preglow needs to start using periods |
| 15:37:30 | markun | preglow: I think his problem was that I change the recomended resolutions |
| 15:37:43 | preglow | why do recommended resolutions matter? |
| 15:38:07 | preglow | a recommendation is nothing but good advice, if people use encoders that can't cope, then bad for them |
| 15:38:16 | markun | I agree |
| 15:38:33 | preglow | if you think your recommendation is sound, then leave it as it is |
| 15:39:31 | markun | I can add a note |
| 15:39:43 | preglow | more information is always good :) |
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| 15:55:49 | kugel | Hmm, SansaLinux uses rockbox bootloader |
| 15:55:58 | kugel | OpenSource is great |
| 15:56:41 | kugel | markun, preglow: I use 224x176 |
| 15:57:28 | preglow | good for you |
| 15:57:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: At least they did say it on their page that they do. |
| 15:57:51 | * | preglow wonders why they just don't help us instead of port linux :> |
| 15:57:56 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: Yea |
| 15:58:23 | kugel | preglow: I think it's great. Maybe rockbox can benefit of sansalinux |
| 15:58:35 | preglow | i kind of doubt it |
| 15:58:37 | preglow | but we'll see |
| 15:58:42 | preglow | would be cool, of course |
| 15:58:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | Indeed. |
| 15:58:49 | kugel | preglow: What if they get usb working? |
| 15:58:57 | preglow | anyone here have any idea how the gigabeat s port stands? |
| 15:59:02 | preglow | kugel: would of course be wonderful |
| 15:59:03 | kugel | working reliable of course |
| 15:59:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: I know sound still isn't working yet, and we're waiting for more work on the USB front. |
| 15:59:36 | kugel | I think I'm gonna install it. It will boot into rockbox by default still |
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| 16:00:01 | * | LambdaCalculus37 is still waiting for his tax refund so he can buy his Gigabeat S |
| 16:00:03 | preglow | i don't really see the point in doing so |
| 16:00:07 | BigBambi | preglow: You can boot rockbox, but there is no USB or playback |
| 16:00:15 | BigBambi | Menu browsing, plugins etc work |
| 16:00:15 | preglow | unless just for curiosity, of course |
| 16:00:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | Or to test stuff. |
| 16:00:41 | kugel | preglow: Fun, nothing more |
| 16:00:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: This would make things much easier to load files onto the Gigabeat S: http://www.adebenham.com/mtpfs/ |
| 16:00:51 | BigBambi | preglow: Big stumbling block atm is USB I think, as the S is MTP only. To get a build on for example you need to transfer a tar then the bootloader untars it |
| 16:00:58 | kugel | preglow: If I didn't search for a bit fun, I wouldn't even have installed rockbox in the first place |
| 16:01:00 | BigBambi | LambdaCalculus37: Nah, doesn't help much |
| 16:01:19 | BigBambi | MTP support in linux is still balls |
| 16:01:32 | preglow | BigBambi: doesn't gigabeat s use the same usb "chip" as portaplayers? |
| 16:01:44 | gevaerts | it does |
| 16:01:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | BigBambi: You're telling me... |
| 16:01:52 | * | LambdaCalculus37 glares at his Dell DJ |
| 16:02:09 | BigBambi | preglow: I think gevaerts said it was 'just' a case of setting up the inits correctly pretty much |
| 16:02:31 | * | gevaerts confirms |
| 16:02:54 | preglow | which is good news! |
| 16:03:14 | BigBambi | aye |
| 16:03:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | Cool! |
| 16:03:38 | * | BigBambi wishes he knew more about how to do such things |
| 16:03:53 | preglow | never too late to learn |
| 16:03:59 | BigBambi | Always time to learn I suppose |
| 16:04:01 | BigBambi | heh |
| 16:04:30 | BigBambi | preglow: Indeed, but I think I need to start with something a little more basic. Like C at all |
| 16:04:48 | gevaerts | If you don't know C, asm is perfect for you :) |
| 16:04:52 | BigBambi | haha :) |
| 16:05:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | Use the Source, BigBambi! :) |
| 16:05:28 | kugel | Hmm, with sansalinux, we could compile rockbox on the sansa :) |
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| 16:08:16 | preglow | "wee" |
| 16:08:26 | preglow | i'd be very surprised if the ram amount is enough for that |
| 16:08:44 | preglow | i'd actually say asm is simpler than c to learn |
| 16:08:51 | preglow | but more tedious by far in actual use, of course |
| 16:09:06 | BigBambi | I need to learn the conventions for stuff first of course |
| 16:09:36 | BigBambi | As always in life, the big problem is real life vs spare time |
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| 16:11:50 | kugel | preglow: Even if it was, compiling would take like a week |
| 16:12:24 | kugel | It's worth a try though ;) |
| 16:12:27 | preglow | nah, no more than a couple of days :) |
| 16:12:47 | kugel | true, with -j option. Sansa is dual-core |
| 16:12:49 | kugel | :) |
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| 16:41:01 | tda-atwork | Hello |
| 16:41:05 | preglow | hi |
| 16:41:10 | tda-atwork | I've got a Gigabeat F20 running rockbox |
| 16:41:27 | preglow | good for you :) |
| 16:41:37 | tda-atwork | But it's gotten rather bad, lately... it freezes up, crashes, the battery lifespan is down to like 8 hours etc... |
| 16:41:52 | low_light | gevaerts: can I use rockbox_usb (specifically usb_logf) in a bootloader? |
| 16:42:06 | tda-atwork | And I'm wondering if there are any newer MP3 players (ones that are still in production, so I don't need to buy them off eBay) that support Rockbox? |
| 16:42:15 | preglow | hmm |
| 16:42:40 | preglow | i don't really know if there are, anymore. there are several which are being ported now, but no guarantees as to when/if they'll be completed |
| 16:43:02 | tda-atwork | Which ones are those? |
| 16:43:18 | low_light | are the iaudio x5's still in production? |
| 16:43:18 | preglow | i'm not really up to speed on that list right now |
| 16:43:21 | preglow | doubt it |
| 16:43:23 | tda-atwork | I don't wanna buy second hand products |
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| 16:47:02 | moos | preglow: hi, didn't you think about get a S few times ago? |
| 16:48:00 | * | moos still thinks that the beast will be one of the best rockbox target ;) |
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| 16:48:28 | gevaerts | low_light: the driver requires interrupts. I never tried to get it to work |
| 16:48:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | low_light: I think Cowon stopped production of the X5's last summer. |
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| 16:53:00 | low_light | gevaerts: even the usb_serial part for logf? (that's all I want) |
| 16:54:15 | gevaerts | low_light: the base usb driver needs it for any communication to work. In principle you could write an interrupt-less driver, but the current one needs them |
| 16:56:13 | tda-atwork | So there are no devices whatsoever, still in production, that Rockbox can run on? :-( |
| 16:56:51 | dionoea | hopefully meizu m6 in the near future |
| 16:57:27 | * | gevaerts thinks tha rockbox is really good at making companies stop producing players |
| 16:58:04 | dionoea | or devs are really slow at reverse engineering firmwares :D |
| 16:58:10 | * | dionoea hides |
| 16:58:49 | tda-atwork | dionoea: Never heard of miezu |
| 16:59:19 | webtaz | is the forum ok? the search function brings up an error |
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| 17:04:55 | low_light | the cowon d2 port seems to be making good progress |
| 17:05:21 | markun | tda-atwork: we're porting rockbox to this player: http://en.meizu.com/product_m6.asp |
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| 17:06:18 | tda-atwork | Looks nice |
| 17:06:29 | tda-atwork | Though the storage space is rather limited |
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| 17:06:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | tda-artwork: They are indeed very nice players. |
| 17:07:20 | tda-atwork | Flash-based storage? |
| 17:07:38 | markun | tda-atwork: yes, not expansion slot unfortunately |
| 17:07:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes. 2, 4, and 8GB capacities are available. |
| 17:07:50 | tda-atwork | hmm... only 8GB... |
| 17:07:53 | markun | not -> no |
| 17:08:12 | tda-atwork | I suppose it's worth it, since flash uses far less battery power |
| 17:08:29 | pondlife | The Meizu OF seems to have decent specs already - any point in Rockboxing it? ;p |
| 17:08:36 | tda-atwork | And if it can compare in performance to the gigabeat, it seems pretty nice |
| 17:08:54 | * | gevaerts tried the meizu OFa bit, and doesn't like it much. Not sure why |
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| 17:12:01 | tda-atwork | markun: So, how long do you figure it'll take for the miezu to be ported? |
| 17:12:11 | tda-atwork | Just a very rough estimate is all I need |
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| 17:13:00 | markun | pondlife: if I didn't know rockbox so well the OF wouldn't be too bad |
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| 17:18:47 | preglow | moos: i did indeed, but i don't have much time for rockbox these days |
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| 17:48:13 | * | LambdaCalculus37 is now the proud owner of a Gigabeat S, and is ready to help test! |
| 17:48:32 | gevaerts | Go find out how to enable USB ! |
| 17:49:10 | markun | gevaerts: that's what LambdaCalculus37 and I were just talking about :) |
| 17:49:26 | markun | but the person who had to do it in our conversation was you of course :) |
| 17:49:39 | * | gevaerts doesn't have a Gigabeat S |
| 17:49:43 | markun | yet? |
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| 17:50:21 | markun | I really wonder why it's so difficult for the exisiting gigabeast owners |
| 17:50:28 | gevaerts | Depends... I won't complain if one suddenly arrives in the mail ;) |
| 17:50:37 | gevaerts | I |
| 17:50:51 | markun | well, I have your address now :) |
| 17:51:09 | gevaerts | My address is easy to find if you have my email address :) |
| 17:51:14 | toffe82 | talking about the S, I have one with a strange problem, the usb is working when you load the firmware but not when you want to transfer files ?? |
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| 17:51:33 | markun | toffe82: howmany S do you have? |
| 17:51:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | toffee82: Hmm, very strange. |
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| 17:51:43 | toffe82 | so the usb is not managed the same way in the bootloader and in windows ?? |
| 17:51:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | markun: I think the more appropriate question is "How many Gigabeats do you have?" :) |
| 17:52:31 | saratoga2 | gevaerts: i've got a Gigabeat S with a broken screen if you can use it :( |
| 17:52:37 | toffe82 | one s60 working and the s30 with this problem but I must some spare board somewhere |
| 17:52:43 | * | gevaerts probably isn't the most appropriate person to search for this usb enable magic. It needs someone with more low-level hardware insight |
| 17:53:09 | toffe82 | and the s60 I have to buy from this guy in australia , I should call him back :) |
| 17:53:52 | tda-atwork | Any idea when the meizu might be ported? |
| 17:53:59 | tda-atwork | A month? Two? Three? |
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| 17:54:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | tda-artwork: "When it's done" is the answer. We have no idea when it'll be done. |
| 17:54:40 | Nico_P | toffe82: I don't quite understand your problem |
| 17:54:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | tda-artwork: Remember, real life often gets in the way of Rockbox hacking. |
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| 17:54:59 | Nico_P | tda-atwork: it will probably be longer than a couple months |
| 17:55:04 | tda-atwork | LambdaCalculus37: I know that "when it's done" always applies to open source projects |
| 17:55:12 | tda-atwork | but a rough estimate is possible |
| 17:55:27 | tda-atwork | based on past experience and such |
| 17:55:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | tda-artwork: It's really hard to say when, to be honest. |
| 17:55:38 | tda-atwork | I see... |
| 17:55:51 | tda-atwork | how long does a new port usually take? |
| 17:55:55 | toffe82 | Nico_P: for the usb on the S, I can update the firmaware but when using the player to transfer songs, ths usb doesn't work |
| 17:56:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | tda-artwork: Here, have a look at the port page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevConWest2008?topic=MeizuM6Port |
| 17:56:04 | markun | tda-atwork: I'll work on it as fast as I can, but it depends on a lot of things |
| 17:56:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | We always post progress there. |
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| 17:56:21 | Nico_P | toffe82: on mine I need to reconnect the USB between each MTP operation |
| 17:56:27 | Nico_P | and I'm not the only one |
| 17:56:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | tda-artwork: Ports vary. Some were very quick (iAUDIO M5), and a few are taking a long time (Gigabeat S and ZVM). |
| 17:56:51 | blippe | is there a way to "interact" with the player, that is "love"/"hate"/"+1"/grade, whatever? |
| 17:56:58 | toffe82 | I don't have problem with the other one, even after booting winxp, it doesn't connect |
| 17:57:02 | Nico_P | toffe82: what are you using to get files on it? |
| 17:57:18 | Nico_P | ah, windows, then it's not the same problem at all I guess |
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| 17:58:47 | * | Nico_P thought that his little tar hack for the S would be very short lived |
| 17:59:15 | * | gevaerts tells Nico_P to search for the usb enable magic |
| 17:59:28 | toffe82 | Nico_P: original firmware, even the display doesn't show the connected animation |
| 17:59:29 | Nico_P | I wish I had the skills |
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| 18:01:50 | * | LambdaCalculus37 wonders if he should fiddle about with the S and find the USB enable magic |
| 18:02:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | Except my only Windows XP machine is away in storage... |
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| 18:04:29 | gevaerts | Do you need Windows for that ? |
| 18:05:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: I have a few USB traffic monitoring tools installed on it. |
| 18:05:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | But I could use a few for Linux, too. |
| 18:05:42 | gevaerts | Once you start needing those, you're nearly done |
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| 18:13:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: The best way to find the enable bit is to monitor the USB traffic, isn't it? |
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| 18:13:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | Crap. |
| 18:14:26 | Nico_P | LambdaCalculus37: I may be mistaken but I think the enabling we're talking about is more of a hardware thing |
| 18:16:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | Nico_P: When my Gigabeast arrives, I'll find out for sure. |
| 18:16:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | I know monitoring USB traffic will reveal information, but it may not reveal the enable bit. |
| 18:16:39 | low_light | toffe82: fyi...in an experiment on the philips sa9200, I made an e200 rockbox bootloader and loaded onto the sa9200 via recovery mode. The sa9200 accepts the file and executes it (the display turns white), and then shuts down. |
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| 18:19:06 | low_light | toffe82: without display or ata drivers, we're stuck. I want to try to make a very minimal build with logf over usb serial to see what's going on and maybe be able to dump the OF bootloader. |
| 18:19:42 | toffe82 | low_light: good |
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| 18:23:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | Nico_P: Question: has anyone looked at a disassembled S bootloader yet? |
| 18:23:53 | Nico_P | I think aliask and ptw419 have |
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| 18:24:11 | Nico_P | ptw419 seems to have totally vanished off the face of the earth btw |
| 18:24:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | Haven't seen aliask for a while, either... |
| 18:25:37 | * | LambdaCalculus37 looks at the wiki to see if they posted the disassembled S bootloader there |
| 18:25:48 | Nico_P | he still passes by |
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| 18:29:17 | * | domonoky sees the application count for rockbox gsoc has gone up a bit.. those last minute students.. :-) |
| 18:30:09 | n1s | LambdaCalculus37: I have looked at the gigabeat S bootloader disassembly a bit but haven't found anything related to usb (I'm not much use with arm asm though...) |
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| 18:45:43 | gevaerts | low_light: I just checked. You won't get usb running without interrupts. The controller simply isn't designed for that |
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| 18:46:53 | gevaerts | you only need the USB interrupt though, so it might still be safe to do |
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| 18:51:11 | amiconn | roolku: That screenshot stuff will (hopefully) change soon |
| 18:51:53 | roolku | amiconn: I know it is not perfect, but I wanted to get the screenshots into the manual |
| 18:52:31 | amiconn | Yes, I understand. Core screenshots are probably wrong coloured too, though |
| 18:53:00 | roolku | amiconn: it doesn't work for the mpegplayer either (because of the yuv_blit?) |
| 18:53:04 | amiconn | I am planning to add the display colours for non-colour LCDs to the config-*.h files, and then use them universally: |
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| 18:53:38 | toffe82 | es un sp[ike muy fino ? |
| 18:53:48 | toffe82 | sorry wrong windows |
| 18:53:56 | amiconn | It should work for mpegplayer. lcd_yuv_blit() doesn't exist for non-colour targets |
| 18:53:57 | roolku | that would be good - currently the colours are redefined in multiple places |
| 18:54:21 | amiconn | Yes - core screenshot, greylib screenshot (which hooks into the core), and sims |
| 18:54:39 | amiconn | What happens when you use the screenshot on mpegplayer? |
| 18:54:42 | roolku | I did the screenshot in the sim and it came out grey/green |
| 18:55:00 | amiconn | Yes, the sim is different... |
| 18:55:03 | amiconn | Hence my idea |
| 18:55:46 | amiconn | The core screenshot colours are defined in misc.c, but better leave them for now |
| 18:56:15 | amiconn | I'll probably split the screenshot function from there |
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| 18:57:51 | roolku | and the sim also has the negative image (for greyscale emulation) - but i couldn't come up with a good idea on how to change that with minimum impact |
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| 18:58:05 | amiconn | Yes, I know |
| 18:58:29 | amiconn | I hope I can fix that, and I'll probably also make display inversion work in the sim |
| 18:58:39 | roolku | nice |
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| 18:59:18 | amiconn | Greyscale lib screenshots aren't perfect in general - they should undo gamma + lcd correction |
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| 19:00:54 | * | domonoky has done some rockbox gsoc evaluation ( giving -1 to some students) :-) |
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| 19:01:36 | * | gevaerts noticed :) No disagreements from me there |
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| 19:02:59 | kugel | linuxstb: ping |
| 19:04:07 | * | amiconn wonders what -1 means |
| 19:04:52 | domonoky | amiconn: mentors can give student application scores, from -2 to +4 |
| 19:05:50 | domonoky | the N top scoring applications are then funded by google.. so we have to give good students high scores, and bad ones low scores.. :-) |
| 19:06:51 | gevaerts | In this stage, I guess it mostly helps keeping the list somewhat sanely sorted |
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| 19:11:12 | amiconn | roolku: Btw, did you manage to get doom running/ find a possible cause for the crash? |
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| 19:12:29 | roolku | amiconn: no, I tried to run it in the sim and it also crashed - but I didn't have time to further investigate |
| 19:12:35 | Nico_P | gevaerts: what about an ARM assembler task for the ARM emulator applicants? |
| 19:12:42 | amiconn | It crashed in the sim? Interesting... |
| 19:12:48 | amiconn | What .wad file did you use? |
| 19:13:37 | roolku | amiconn: sorry, can't remember - it was only a quick try |
| 19:13:53 | roolku | let me see if I can do it again |
| 19:14:01 | gevaerts | Nico_P: that might be a good idea. OTOH if the focus is on peripherals they might not actually need to be that good at _writing_ ARM assembler |
| 19:14:02 | amiconn | I'd recommend the official "shareware" .wad |
| 19:14:39 | amiconn | Not sure whether freedoom is always stable - and the official one has the added benefit that it has the (only) timedemo |
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| 19:15:29 | domonoky | gevaerts: but the might need to be good at _reading_ asm ? so a task to decipher some ARM asm might be good ? |
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| 19:16:38 | roolku | amiconn: hm, just tried it, it drew the graphic then sort of restarted...now with debugger |
| 19:17:11 | gevaerts | domonoky: That could be good. However, I'm going to try and keep out of this specific area as I really know nearly nothing about it... |
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| 19:20:30 | roolku | amiconn: segmentation fault: http://pastebin.ca/977131 |
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| 19:21:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: Do you have some information on the Gigabeast bootloader that I can look through? |
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| 19:22:46 | amiconn | roolku: Hmm, interesting. That's an mr100 sim? |
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| 19:23:06 | roolku | yes |
| 19:23:30 | * | amiconn builds one |
| 19:23:42 | ChristopherW | what are the values of t, i, and j at that line? |
| 19:23:44 | amiconn | I'll need one soon anyway, for mentioned colour unification stuff |
| 19:24:10 | * | roolku is hungry and goes home |
| 19:24:39 | kugel | markun: Hmm, I noticed your wiki edit to PluginMpegplayer |
| 19:25:13 | kugel | markun: Isn't 224x176 a multiple of 8x8? So I'd recomment this resolution instead of 220x166 |
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| 19:25:46 | amiconn | I'd recommend what's possible, and as close as possible to the display dimensions |
| 19:26:10 | amiconn | ...or the display dimension, plus a desired width/height ration |
| 19:26:12 | amiconn | -n |
| 19:27:05 | kugel | What's closer to the dimensions for you? The 10p wasted or the 4p cut? |
| 19:27:08 | amiconn | The only requirement is that width and height must be even (of course the *internal* sizes are rounded up to full blocks) |
| 19:27:41 | amiconn | I'd probably use 220x176, and not care about ratio |
| 19:28:08 | amiconn | But if I'd want 4:3, I'd use 220x166 of course |
| 19:28:19 | ChristopherW | 220x176 is 5:4 ratio |
| 19:28:24 | amiconn | I know |
| 19:28:51 | amiconn | Many target resolutions are 5:4 - e.g. the widespread 160x128 |
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| 19:29:00 | kugel | amiconn: Doesn't the image quality suffer from transcoding into a different ratio? |
| 19:29:26 | kugel | Since resizing happens |
| 19:29:50 | amiconn | The image quality suffers from transcoding in general. Of course I would preserve the original pixel aspect ratio in order to keep circles as circles etc |
| 19:30:02 | amiconn | Resizing needs to be done anyway |
| 19:30:06 | ChristopherW | just a note: 216x162 is exactly 4:3, unlike 220x166 |
| 19:30:33 | ChristopherW | of course, it doesn't make a visible difference anyway |
| 19:30:34 | markun | kugel: I don't see what the advantage is of using 224x176 |
| 19:30:44 | kugel | amiconn: My main point is, that 224x176 should be preferable over 220x166 if some encoders can't do that resolution |
| 19:31:19 | markun | there might be encoder which can only do 16x16 as well |
| 19:31:24 | ChristopherW | if you encoder can't do 220x166, get a better encoder :) |
| 19:31:33 | amiconn | kugel: If the encoder can't produce all allowed resolution, it's a crappy encoder. If someone still wants to use it, he can do so |
| 19:31:34 | kugel | markun: it's 8x8, that's the advantage |
| 19:32:01 | amiconn | But I wouldn't recommend a non-ideal resolution just because of crappy encoders |
| 19:32:29 | kugel | 220x166 isn't ideal either |
| 19:32:45 | amiconn | 224x176 has a big disadvantage - it's wider than what's displayed, so the image is clipped at playback |
| 19:32:54 | markun | kugel: why do you always have the oposite opinion from the rest of us? ;) |
| 19:33:02 | kugel | And I'd prefer 4 pixellines cut 10 pixellines wasted |
| 19:33:17 | markun | why wasted? |
| 19:33:17 | amiconn | 220x166 _is_ ideal if you want 4:3, because it both uses the lcd as good as possible and is as close as possible to 4:3 |
| 19:33:29 | kugel | markun: I just like to initiate discussions |
| 19:33:53 | markun | kugel: in that case I'm done talking |
| 19:34:17 | ChristopherW | kugel: if you wanted 4:3 with multiples of 8, use 224x168 |
| 19:34:44 | kugel | ChristopherW: Hmm, yea. you're right |
| 19:35:22 | kugel | Right! I got confused by SUPER, which made my 220x176 selection to 224x176 if I forced 4:3 |
| 19:35:42 | * | scorche|sh sighs |
| 19:35:43 | ChristopherW | is SUPER an encoder? |
| 19:35:56 | kugel | No, it's a front end for mencoder |
| 19:36:24 | ChristopherW | so it used the minimum of the width/height |
| 19:36:35 | kugel | But it supports other encoders too |
| 19:36:36 | ChristopherW | instead of limiting it to the maximum of the two |
| 19:37:44 | kugel | ChristopherW: I don't know anymore what it does. 224x176 isn't 4:3 as you said |
| 19:37:45 | ChristopherW | I wrote a little interactive shell script that uses ffmpeg to transcode videos. it asks the user for aspect ratio, frame rate, video/audio bitrates |
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| 19:38:11 | kugel | Oh, I'd like to see it |
| 19:38:15 | ChristopherW | should I post it? |
| 19:38:23 | kugel | Sure |
| 19:39:07 | scorche|sh | this is getting offtopic... |
| 19:39:21 | ChristopherW | no, it's still about rockbox |
| 19:39:34 | ChristopherW | or about transcoding videos for the mpegplayer in rockbox |
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| 19:44:13 | ChristopherW | http://www.pastebin.ca/977160 |
| 19:44:21 | ChristopherW | ^^^ there's my script |
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| 19:45:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | ChristopherW: Can you post it onto the MpegPlayer wiki page? |
| 19:45:32 | ChristopherW | sure |
| 19:45:47 | * | LambdaCalculus37 thinks that script can be very useful for ffmpeg users |
| 19:45:53 | ChristopherW | it's kind of long though |
| 19:46:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | We'll call it art in progress. :) |
| 19:46:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | ChristopherW: Post the script as a file. |
| 19:46:36 | ChristopherW | (I used ffmpeg because I found it to work easiest and best, but the script could be changed to work with other transcoders) |
| 19:46:55 | ChristopherW | LambdaCalculus37: oh, good idea |
| 19:46:57 | * | LambdaCalculus37 will see if he can fix it to work with VLC and mencoder |
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| 19:47:59 | ChristopherW | I used vlc in the past, but it produced worse quality videos at the same bitrate |
| 19:48:09 | gevaerts | ChristopherW: On some systems you need 'mp3' instead of 'libmp3lame'. |
| 19:48:53 | ChristopherW | ok, so it can be changed by the user for his/her particular system |
| 19:49:31 | * | LambdaCalculus37 used VLC for all of the videos on his iPod and got good results |
| 19:49:37 | gevaerts | Yes. Easy change, but it might be useful to mention this somewhere |
| 19:49:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | But I digress... |
| 19:50:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | ChristopherW: Don't forget to post some information about tweaking the script to match the user's system if necessary. |
| 19:50:11 | ChristopherW | gevaerts: I agree that I should mention it. I just didn't notice that it was a problem until you pointed it out |
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| 19:50:58 | * | gevaerts needs libmp3lame on his laptop and mp3 on his server. Don't ask... |
| 19:51:26 | ChristopherW | ThomasMartitz is editing the PluginMpegplayer topic right now... |
| 19:51:38 | ChristopherW | is it ok for me to edit it too? |
| 19:52:18 | markun | ChristopherW: as long as you don't revert any of my edits :) |
| 19:52:51 | gevaerts | Does it say when he started editing ? |
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| 19:53:13 | ChristopherW | yeah, about 10 minutes ago |
| 19:53:34 | ChristopherW | ok, apparently he's done now |
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| 19:54:07 | ChristopherW | but he didn't change anything |
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| 20:00:19 | kugel | ChristopherW: If bash whouldn't have problems with spaces in filenames ... |
| 20:00:42 | ChristopherW | kugel: what do you mean? |
| 20:01:03 | ChristopherW | my script handles filenames with spaces just fine |
| 20:01:43 | kugel | ChristopherW: Nevermind |
| 20:02:00 | kugel | But my script failed with spaces in the filename yesterday |
| 20:02:41 | ChristopherW | yeah, you need to put the $parameter inside double quotes if it might have spaces in it |
| 20:03:00 | ChristopherW | that's a pet peeve some people have with the shell language |
| 20:03:24 | n1s | LambdaCalculus37: I'll see if I can post my comments with the disassembly somewhere later tonight |
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| 20:03:52 | n1s | they are in no way complete and may even be wrong :) |
| 20:03:53 | kugel | ChristopherW: Sure , I know that. It just didn't work |
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| 20:05:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: Thanks! |
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| 20:14:02 | amiconn | Doom is working in an mr-100 sim here |
| 20:14:14 | * | amiconn has a suspicion regarding roolku's problem |
| 20:14:20 | amiconn | roolku: Around? |
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| 20:19:30 | roolku | amiconn: sort of (waiting for dinner to cook) |
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| 20:19:50 | amiconn | roolku: Did you copy the /,rockbox/doom folder from a different target? |
| 20:20:09 | amiconn | If so, check whether it contains a tranmap.dat, and if present, delete it |
| 20:20:19 | amiconn | tranmap.dat is endian dependent |
| 20:20:36 | roolku | amiconn: I did indeed...let me check |
| 20:21:04 | amiconn | It will be rebuilt if missing (next game startup will take a little longer) |
| 20:22:01 | amiconn | Btw, doom isn't build for mr-100 in svn |
| 20:22:06 | amiconn | *built |
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| 20:22:43 | midgey | roolku: how does the mr100 charge? |
| 20:24:12 | low_light | midgey: usb or ac with the doc |
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| 20:24:22 | low_light | ^dock |
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| 20:25:19 | midgey | i might be able to track down one for $35 but the seller "does not have a charger" |
| 20:25:54 | roolku | midgey: can charge with USB |
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| 20:26:55 | domonoky | and the charger (us with the dock) has a standard interface, so you can easily replace the charger.. |
| 20:27:16 | roolku | midgey: if you get the dock - the power connector is a generic cylindrical plug 5V (same as gigabeat) |
| 20:27:40 | midgey | excellent |
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| 20:30:15 | roolku | amiconn: deleting tranmap.dat didn't make a difference on target nor sim - let me recompile (I think the only patch I have is the USB define though) |
| 20:30:35 | amiconn | Odd - a sim works here (cygwin) |
| 20:31:32 | * | roolku eats dinner |
| 20:31:37 | preglow | woo, resampler soc project |
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| 20:38:14 | Nico_P | preglow: please comment on it :) |
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| 20:41:58 | Horscht | ok, bug alert. When "unlocking" an ipod video 5.5G, the buttons don't respond. They respond again as soon as the screen starts fading again. |
| 20:42:16 | preglow | Nico_P: i'm not a mentor |
| 20:42:24 | Nico_P | oh |
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| 20:42:48 | preglow | can't guarantee time enough this summer, so thought i'd refrain |
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| 20:44:10 | domonoky | preglow: maybe you can suggest a small task for gevaerts list of test to see if the student is up to the task ? |
| 20:45:39 | Nico_P | preglow: I'm not sure but maybe you can still apply as a mentor to help with the reviewing process, and not mentor any of the projects we'll accept |
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| 20:46:05 | BudVin | Lo lo. |
| 20:46:17 | BudVin | Hello |
| 20:46:23 | BudVin | Ack, lag. Sorry |
| 20:47:04 | * | domonoky expermients with m:robes touchsensor.. :-) |
| 20:49:38 | preglow | Nico_P: wouldn't know |
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| 20:51:49 | bluebrother | domonoky: what's your objective? |
| 20:52:19 | domonoky | remove the "hover effect" of the touchstrip.. |
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| 20:52:24 | scorche|sh | Nico_P: he can...and he gets a shirt! |
| 20:52:38 | * | preglow is actually wearing his old soc shirt as we speak :) |
| 20:53:15 | bluebrother | hover effect? Never recognized such a thing (but sometimes wrong buttons getting recognized) |
| 20:53:23 | domonoky | limiting button detection to when the z value is higher than 0x15 make the "hover effect" vanish.. |
| 20:53:53 | bluebrother | I was also wondering if the buttons should be made more similar to the Ipods −− and possibly using the "display" button as select |
| 20:53:57 | domonoky | bluebrother: you get this wrong buttons, because the touch is to sensitiv, it reacts bevore you touch the surface.. |
| 20:54:24 | preglow | domonoky: would such a task be intended to actually require a good day of work, or just something to see if whoever applies has set up a dev environment and can use it? |
| 20:54:26 | bluebrother | then we'd have the same amount of buttons as on the Ipods. And could make the strip a real scroll strip |
| 20:54:29 | low_light | domonoky: I think it's best to adjust the hardware sensitivity settings to limit the number of interrupts fired |
| 20:54:50 | domonoky | so if you move your thumb from left to right, you might accidentally trigger select.. |
| 20:55:14 | Nico_P | preglow: a good day (or even two) of work |
| 20:55:34 | domonoky | low_light: adjust hardware sensitivy is my next try ... :-) |
| 20:55:49 | low_light | domonoky: look at the "Report Modes" parameter |
| 20:55:53 | Nico_P | preglow: DerPapst invested 16 hours in his task (for a plugin application) |
| 20:56:01 | Nico_P | (IIRC) |
| 20:56:25 | Mouser_X | Perhaps a little more for bug testing. |
| 20:56:47 | Mouser_X | More complete bug testing, that is. |
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| 20:57:55 | preglow | i'll see if i can think of something |
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| 21:03:04 | roolku | amiconn: you were partially right, it was the default.dfg file that needed deleting |
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| 21:18:15 | roolku | amiconn: screendump works only in green/grey though - could it be the difference between buffered and unbuffered greyscale mode? |
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| 21:40:36 | aidy | hi |
| 21:40:48 | aidy | where can i get tcctool for linux? |
| 21:40:53 | aidy | i bricked my D2 |
| 21:42:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | tcctool is included in the Rockbox source. |
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| 21:44:46 | * | LambdaCalculus37 can't find the particular page that actually had tcctool on it, though... =/ |
| 21:46:18 | linuxstb | I don't think there is one... |
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| 21:48:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: You can only get tcctool by building from the source, correct? |
| 21:48:32 | linuxstb | aidy, Download the Rockbox source code and you'll find tcctool in utils/tcctool/. e.g. using SVN you can get it with the command "svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/trunk/rockbox/utils/tcctool tcctool" |
| 21:49:01 | aidy | thanks a ton :) |
| 21:49:03 | linuxstb | LambdaCalculus37, There's a win32 version on the download server, as that's harder to build. For linux, you just type "make" |
| 21:49:23 | aidy | btw, why is the source in 7zip format? |
| 21:49:41 | Llorean | aidy: Good compression ratio, FOSS extractor? |
| 21:49:42 | linuxstb | Because it's significantly smaller than zip or gzip |
| 21:50:00 | aidy | aha, just that it wasn't installed on my gentoo install :D |
| 21:50:07 | aidy | but that's more my problem i guess |
| 21:50:27 | Llorean | linuxstb: Forum news. I've finished playing around with the test mirror, and have I *think* all the features we had previously working again. |
| 21:50:28 | linuxstb | SVN is the recommended way to get the source anyway (easier to keep up to date) |
| 21:50:41 | aidy | aha |
| 21:50:47 | aidy | adriaan@localhost:~/Programs$ svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/trunk/rockbox/utils/tcctool tcctool |
| 21:50:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: Thanks for covering for me. :) |
| 21:50:50 | aidy | svn: No repository found in 'svn://svn.rockbox.org/trunk/rockbox/utils/tcctool' |
| 21:51:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | aidy: You have to check out the entire trunk. |
| 21:51:16 | linuxstb | Oops, should be: svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk/utils/tcctool tcctool |
| 21:51:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | It's easier, too. |
| 21:51:26 | domonoky | one rockbox too much.. :-) |
| 21:52:17 | linuxstb | Llorean: Sounds good. So we're set to go? |
| 21:52:46 | Llorean | linuxstb: It looks fine from my end at least. |
| 21:52:59 | Llorean | Even found a few new nice things. Automated double-post throttling, for example. |
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| 21:53:10 | linuxstb | Llorean: I can't think of anything (apart from the broken Staff link, unless that's been fixed now) |
| 21:53:31 | Llorean | That's been fixed. |
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| 21:54:13 | aidy | alright got it thanks linuxstb :( |
| 21:54:14 | aidy | :) |
| 21:54:35 | linuxstb | On the current site, the "staff" and "new topics" buttons were always visible (even when the user wasn't logged in - which meant the new topics button didn't work). I moved them both within a "if logged_in" statement, but maybe the "staff" button should always be there? |
| 21:54:58 | critter- | i received a iriver h320 which i will either have to get a refund for (and buy a better rockbox mp3 player) or get a replacement ? for the same price can anyone recocommend a better player ? is the ipod 30gb video better ? |
| 21:55:11 | linuxstb | Gigabeat F40... |
| 21:55:18 | critter- | thanks |
| 21:55:26 | domonoky | critter-: the h320 is a very good player (with rockbox) .. |
| 21:55:27 | linuxstb | But "better" is personal opinion - what don't you like about the H320? |
| 21:56:08 | critter- | well mine is smashed so i've got to figure out what to do. it looks cheap which may or not mean it has good sound quality. it just doesn't look like a superior product to me but might be |
| 21:56:28 | Llorean | linuxstb: I think keeping it within the "Logged In" area is good. It exposes staff email addresses. |
| 21:56:36 | Llorean | Though only if they've explicitly chosen to expose them. |
| 21:57:04 | Llorean | But on the new forum site, *only* the email addresses on the staff page are exposed (as far as I can tell), everywhere else email should be handled by way of a form instead. |
| 21:57:09 | linuxstb | Llorean: My only thought was that people having problems logging in might want to contact a staff member - but if they're not logged in, they can't PM... |
| 21:57:22 | Llorean | linuxstb: Ah, good point. |
| 21:58:15 | amiconn | roolku: No, greylib screendump always uses the 'values' array for dumping, buffered or not |
| 21:58:26 | amiconn | But I'll look into screendump anyway |
| 21:58:31 | critter- | am i being too judgemental by juding the h320 on its physical appearance ? |
| 21:58:36 | Llorean | linuxstb: We could use this page: http://forums.squisch.net/index.php?action=contact |
| 21:58:53 | Llorean | That should send an email to the webmaster address. |
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| 21:59:40 | amiconn | roolku: Hmm, are you dumping on target or on sim? |
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| 22:00:16 | linuxstb | Llorean: I can't access that page (I'm not logged in...) |
| 22:00:23 | roolku | amiconn: I tried both - mpegplayer and doom come out in green the rest in red |
| 22:00:47 | Llorean | linuxstb: Darn. |
| 22:01:13 | Llorean | linuxstb: Try again? |
| 22:01:18 | amiconn | Interesting... will check |
| 22:04:05 | amiconn | roolku: Hmm, I know what happens. The code is correct - it's the build system that fools you |
| 22:04:20 | amiconn | The sub-dir plugins aren't relinked if only the pluginlib changes |
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| 22:04:48 | roolku | doh |
| 22:04:51 | amiconn | So your copies of doom and mpegplayer are still pre-r17033 |
| 22:05:26 | amiconn | Issue the following command in your build dir: rm apps/plugins/*/*.elf then 'make rocks' again |
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| 22:05:30 | linuxstb | Llorean: Works now - I've just sent an email... |
| 22:05:46 | amiconn | This 'rm' will remove the .elf files of all sub-dir plugins |
| 22:06:25 | bluebrother | Llorean: so we're finally going to move the forums? |
| 22:07:35 | Llorean | bluebrother: We're finally ready to say "we can move the forums at a drop of a hat" at least, I think |
| 22:07:45 | Llorean | linuxstb: We'll have to wait on that, it's set to send 'em to scorche. |
| 22:07:51 | aidy | is anyone familiar with unbricking a d2? |
| 22:08:16 | bluebrother | so I guess there has been some discussion with Jeff about that? |
| 22:08:20 | aidy | i'm not really able to grasp the guide on iaudiophile.net |
| 22:08:22 | aidy | :D |
| 22:08:35 | linuxstb | aidy: That's not really on-topic for this channel... I was going to send you to iaudiophile.net ;) |
| 22:09:06 | linuxstb | And I can't explain any better than the tutorials there - I don't own a D2. |
| 22:09:18 | scorche | Contact Page Form for Rockbox Technical Forums |
| 22:09:40 | scorche|sh | bluebrother: not really...we are pretty much fed up with him |
| 22:09:52 | scorche|sh | at least i am... |
| 22:09:53 | preglow | Llorean: could you reply to #6642? |
| 22:09:53 | roolku | amiconn: well spotted (but this it really a bug in the build system, isn't it?) |
| 22:10:04 | linuxstb | bluebrother: IIUC, he hasn't responded to any emails from LinusN or Llorean for a long time |
| 22:10:08 | bluebrother | doesn't sound too nice :( |
| 22:10:18 | n1s | roolku: one of many... |
| 22:10:20 | aidy | linuxstb: okay :) |
| 22:10:32 | Llorean | preglow: I haven't heard the noises in a long time, I *think* it's fixed. |
| 22:10:41 | preglow | Llorean: i do to, i'll close it, then |
| 22:10:49 | scorche|sh | bluebrother: ads without saying a word, removing access for both LinusN and Llorean, not responding, etc... |
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| 22:11:22 | bluebrother | even removing access? Uuuh, that's not nice at all. |
| 22:11:38 | amiconn | roolku: Sure, and it's not the only one. Unfortunately I'm not a Makefile wizard :( |
| 22:11:49 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Co-incidentally at the same time as introducing ads... |
| 22:12:12 | bluebrother | sounds like to prevent someone of removing them again |
| 22:12:37 | amiconn | roolku: Btw, I was only able to spot it so quickly because I also ran into it during my greylib testing/debugging |
| 22:12:40 | scorche|sh | bluebrother: either way, we are ready to move and i promise i wont "Pull a Jeff" ;) |
| 22:13:13 | linuxstb | scorche|sh: If you do, we'll just move them again... ;) |
| 22:13:42 | scorche|sh | linuxstb: but i will be hosting the themes too! ;) |
| 22:14:09 | domonoky | scorche somewhere 2010 when the theme site is ready ? :-) |
| 22:14:31 | * | linuxstb is now taking the blame for that... |
| 22:14:56 | linuxstb | But I should have some time towards the end of this week and at the weekend to finish it. |
| 22:14:57 | * | scorche|sh points domonoky towards linuxstb |
| 22:15:16 | domonoky | :-) |
| 22:15:34 | bluebrother | scorche|sh: didn't you plan on writing an email regarding devcon? |
| 22:15:59 | scorche|sh | domonoky: his version is much better than what i can do...my version is up on the site currently though (although no one should be using it...) |
| 22:16:40 | scorche|sh | bluebrother: emphasis on *plan*? ;) ...regardless, now that the forums and themes sites are off my plate for now, i should have some time.... |
| 22:16:42 | kugel | linuxstb: Hey, today I struggled a bit with the custom list patch, but I didn't come to a good solution |
| 22:17:01 | bluebrother | yep, emphasize *plan* ;-) |
| 22:17:22 | bluebrother | btw, how's the theme site going? Any test page around to have a sneak? |
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| 22:18:04 | scorche|sh | well, my version is at themes.rockbox.org, but it is getting thrown out in favor of linuxstb's new site which will be a ton better, im sure... |
| 22:18:14 | linuxstb | bluebrother: This is my version - linuxstb.cream.org/themes/">http://linuxstb.cream.org/themes/ |
| 22:18:16 | kugel | linuxstb: I wanted to parse the viewport at synclist init, and having the list info vp in the synclist struct. But I came to the point where I realized that every function that gets the parent as a parameter needs the list info viewport too then |
| 22:19:09 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I'm currently working on the upload script - the intention is for it to do very strict validation of the .zip and .wps and then make the theme available automatically if it passes. |
| 22:19:12 | t0mt0m | hi |
| 22:19:43 | kugel | linuxstb: So I'm not sure if this is the way to go |
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| 22:19:58 | bluebrother | linuxstb: hmm, I get blue borders around the images. Is that intended? |
| 22:20:13 | linuxstb | kugel: What's the difference between "parent" and "list info viewport" ? |
| 22:20:26 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Which images? |
| 22:20:50 | kugel | linuxstb: the parent has the default values, the list info has the dimension set in the settings |
| 22:20:50 | linuxstb | You mean the theme previews? |
| 22:21:23 | linuxstb | kugel: I still don't understand... Shouldn't there just be one viewport? |
| 22:21:45 | kugel | linuxstb: Editting the parent results in not updating parts of the screen |
| 22:22:07 | kugel | JdGordon's old patch had this issue |
| 22:22:15 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Yes, that's intentional (it's the same as the existing site). |
| 22:22:31 | bluebrother | yep, meant that. Ok. |
| 22:22:46 | * | bluebrother remembers the initial page :) |
| 22:22:49 | linuxstb | bluebrother: But I don't want to get distracted too much with cosmetics - IMO it's good enough, and we can improve it later. |
| 22:22:58 | bluebrother | true. |
| 22:23:14 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/04/08/meizu-m6-and-cowon-d2/ |
| 22:23:55 | amiconn | linuxstb: Would it be possible to ajust the number of colums to the screen width? I get a lot of unused light blue space at the right... |
| 22:24:28 | * | gevaerts also wants that. Even enough to maybe volunteer... |
| 22:25:38 | domonoky | Bagder: cool, so we expect two new ports up to speed shortly.. :-) |
| 22:25:41 | scorche|sh | well, about the grid, i think it should be a fewer amount of targets much like the manual page, but as has been said, there are more important things to complete before cosmetics |
| 22:25:51 | kugel | linuxstb: don't forget me pls :) |
| 22:28:40 | markun | Bagder: congrats with your new players! |
| 22:28:54 | pixelma | linuxstb: I'm not sure (well in one case I am) but the descriptions seem to not always match the theme |
| 22:28:59 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, I'll look at that after the site launches (but patches will be welcome - I'm intending to put the PHP in SVN) |
| 22:29:20 | gevaerts | linuxstb: as soon as I see the php I'll try something out |
| 22:29:24 | Bagder | thanks, now I'll just have to struggle to get some time with them too between sick kids, work and all the rest |
| 22:29:52 | linuxstb | pixelma: That's possibly just my script that grabbed the themes (and text) from the existing site - that's just test data, and all themes will be deleted before the site goes live. |
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| 22:30:26 | linuxstb | kugel: I'm not sure what to suggest, but passing two viewports doesn't seem the right solution... |
| 22:30:53 | kugel | The way I just told doesn't seem to be the right one too (for me) |
| 22:31:27 | pixelma | linuxstb: ah |
| 22:31:40 | kugel | linuxstb: If that isse, that editting the parent wouldn't case the rest of the screen to not update, was fixed, that would be correct |
| 22:31:57 | crzyboyster | On the current and daily builds pages, the iPod Color/Photo is written as "iPod color/Photo". Shouldn't the c in "color" be capitalized? |
| 22:32:09 | kugel | issue*, cause* |
| 22:33:07 | kugel | linuxstb: With the current code, it's not doable w/o another viewport |
| 22:36:04 | linuxstb | kugel: IMO thought needs to be given to how all of Rockbox will be using viewports, and how Rockbox should be clearing the LCD (or parts of the LCD) when moving between different screens. |
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| 22:37:03 | caligula | anyone here? |
| 22:37:12 | soap | I think star wipes are a great transitional effect between different screens. |
| 22:37:21 | scorche|sh | caligula: looks like 148 to me |
| 22:37:26 | markun | I was using ttalib-hwplayer as the basis for a rockbox tta codec when I noticed it's not GPL :( |
| 22:37:40 | kugel | linuxstb: I don't quite understand (imo thought?) |
| 22:37:46 | markun | ttaenc (which also decodec) is GPL, but contains mallocs |
| 22:37:49 | caligula | guys, i have a major problem |
| 22:37:58 | markun | caligula: tell us |
| 22:38:04 | amiconn | markun: It doesn't need to be gpl, just gpl compatible |
| 22:38:25 | | Part aidy |
| 22:38:35 | caligula | i've just installed rockbox on a sansa c200, everything is working great, but when i connect the usb cable while rockbox is loaded the pc doesn't recognize the drive and the player get's stuck |
| 22:38:46 | markun | amiconn: Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice... |
| 22:38:53 | markun | it that compatible? |
| 22:38:59 | amiconn | eek |
| 22:39:02 | markun | :) |
| 22:39:08 | caligula | which means that even when i disconnect the cable it still shows as if it's connected, and i have to take out the battery |
| 22:39:12 | scorche|sh | caligula: boot into the original firmware first |
| 22:39:23 | linuxstb | kugel: Add a comma after "IMO", or just change that sentence to start "Thought needs..." |
| 22:39:24 | scorche|sh | no you dont...hold the power button for about 15 seconds |
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| 22:39:52 | kugel | linuxstb: Ahh ok |
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| 22:40:00 | caligula | 15 seconds? anyway, are there any plans to make it work with rockbox? |
| 22:40:19 | scorche|sh | caligula: of course... |
| 22:40:23 | linuxstb | markun: Do you have a link to the full license? |
| 22:40:27 | scorche|sh | just be patient ;) |
| 22:41:02 | caligula | oh! it's turned of! and i'm patient, was just wondering :] it's not a major problem anyway since i transfer music to the sd card anyway |
| 22:41:06 | markun | linuxstb: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/tta-README.txt |
| 22:41:11 | gevaerts | caligula: normal behaviour would be that the player reboots to the OF. However, there is a bug that happens in some versions that makes it hang instead of reboot |
| 22:41:21 | linuxstb | markun: mallocs are normally quite easy to fix in codecs though. |
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| 22:41:43 | scorche|sh | caligula: i thought it was a "major problem" ;) |
| 22:42:12 | * | gevaerts guesses 'player hangs' counts as a major problem for most people if you don't know the hard reset tricks |
| 22:42:18 | bluebrother | scorche|sh: aren't problems usually "major" in support channels? ;-) |
| 22:42:18 | markun | linuxstb: and the GPL code is still being worked on, this code is from 2004 |
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| 22:42:29 | caligula | well, for some reason it really bothered me, but when i think about it it's not FOR ME :P |
| 22:43:10 | linuxstb | markun: I _think_ that license is fine - it is basically just saying you must accompany any distribution (source or binary) with a copy of the license. |
| 22:43:36 | gevaerts | caligula: you could try upgrading now and then. This bug happens randomly in some versions and not in others. |
| 22:43:50 | linuxstb | markun: But yes, I noticed the date - it would seem to make more sense to use the maintained version. |
| 22:44:33 | ChristopherW | occasionally I get the same bug as caligula with my Sansa e280 in some versions but not others... like it gets fixed then it gets reverted |
| 22:44:35 | markun | and the GPL version also encodes, which could be nice if we can make it much faster than wavpack |
| 22:45:09 | * | gevaerts wonders if anyone actually uses TTA |
| 22:45:15 | caligula | ok, thanks guys! i'll be off :) |
| 22:45:30 | markun | gevaerts: according to their website it's a "popular" format ;) |
| 22:46:01 | linuxstb | markun: "The True Audio (TTA) - is currently the only lossless codec that accomodates the possibility of real-time hardware encoding." doesn't seem true... |
| 22:46:04 | Bagder | yes, they can even list one obscure DVD player that supports it! ;-) |
| 22:46:17 | gevaerts | Rockbox should run on that DVD player ! |
| 22:46:24 | * | linuxstb slaps gevaerts |
| 22:46:32 | markun | Bagder: with a link to a site that doesn't exist anymore :) |
| 22:46:42 | Bagder | haha |
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| 22:46:49 | ChristopherW | yes, we should turn Rockbox into a video platform too |
| 22:46:50 | scorche|sh | gevaerts: just buy one and slip it into linuxstb's drawer |
| 22:47:02 | linuxstb | markun: Have you done any comparisons with FLAC (speed, compression size) ? |
| 22:47:03 | kugel | linuxstb: BTW that happens when editing the parent vp: http://alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/asdf/dump0408.bmp |
| 22:47:07 | ChristopherW | www.true-audio.com is just a blank page for me |
| 22:47:14 | gevaerts | scorche|sh: isn't that the best way of _not_ getting rockbox on it ? ;) |
| 22:47:32 | scorche|sh | gevaerts: ah...true... |
| 22:47:39 | linuxstb | The site appears to be hosted at http://tta.sourceforge.net now |
| 22:47:47 | scorche|sh | gevaerts: hopefully i will liberate an AV300 from it soon though |
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| 22:48:00 | markun | linuxstb: I compared it only in size. Wavpack and flac are both a bit better. |
| 22:48:06 | markun | I'll do some speed test |
| 22:48:56 | kugel | linuxstb: BUT, I noticed if I leave the wps to the main menu, everything is fine |
| 22:49:16 | kugel | linuxstb: leaving it to the filebrowser results in that what I showed you |
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| 22:49:23 | kugel | I find that quite interesting |
| 22:50:05 | amiconn | scorche: There are 3 more ports in limbo, 2 of which are linuxstb's ... |
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| 22:51:01 | scorche | amiconn: eh...i am only taking one device of of his drawer...i will likely have a hard enough time as it is... |
| 22:51:02 | amiconn | The Elio actually adds an interesting twist: It's ata based *and* has a card slot |
| 22:51:16 | linuxstb | amiconn: Do you want it? |
| 22:51:20 | amiconn | ...and otg |
| 22:51:35 | scorche | plus, i already donated 100USD to the fund for it ages ago |
| 22:52:02 | domonoky | perhaps we should promise linuxstb a bonus, if het get those two targets up und running... |
| 22:52:19 | linuxstb | domonoky: As long as it's not a % of my Rockbox pay... |
| 22:52:23 | domonoky | the bonus should be a new unported target funded by rockbox.. :-) |
| 22:52:34 | scorche|sh | like the dvd player?! |
| 22:52:47 | bluebrother | a bonus on top of the Rockbox salary ;-) |
| 22:52:48 | amiconn | domonoky: An ipod classic 160GB? |
| 22:52:50 | * | linuxstb is starting to feel abused |
| 22:52:53 | domonoky | :-) |
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| 22:53:05 | markun | linuxstb: and for decoding flac also wins: 2.797s vs 5.637s |
| 22:53:25 | linuxstb | markun: Sounds a great codec then - slower and less compression than FLAC... |
| 22:53:26 | bluebrother | how about a nano 3G? *g* |
| 22:53:29 | amiconn | linuxstb: The Elio is PP based, right? Could you remind me what the state of things/ the problem is? |
| 22:53:53 | * | scorche|sh guesses "time" |
| 22:54:19 | markun | linuxstb: in 2004 flac probably wasn't as fast as it is today |
| 22:54:22 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, it's PP5020 - very standard stuff (Wolfson codec). The problem is that I never managed to work out the LCD driver, but I think "we" know a lot more about the PP LCD controller(s) now, so RE-ing that would be easier. |
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| 22:54:37 | * | disorganizer still thinks we need a parent-child concept for viewports to clearly identify when which part of the screen is cleared (viewports should only be able to clear their childs, not their parents... but we dont have that *g*) |
| 22:55:09 | * | shotofadds wonders who to ask for more hours in the day :/ |
| 22:55:09 | linuxstb | amiconn: The bootloader build runs OK - it can access the hard disk and write debug data. I found most of the buttons on GPIO pins. |
| 22:55:38 | * | bluebrother would also like more time a day |
| 22:55:40 | kugel | linuxstb: There must be something in the drawing of the main menu which makes the whole screen update, something which is not in the drawing of the file tree. Any idea? |
| 22:55:40 | amiconn | linuxstb: Is there some OF or original bootloader available for disassembling? |
| 22:55:43 | shotofadds | (while wondering whether Bagder got Rockbox running on his D2 yet...) |
| 22:55:46 | * | gevaerts points shotofadds towards politicians. If they can move the entire day by an hour, they should be able to extend it a bit as well |
| 22:56:06 | Bagder | shotofadds: oh not yet, haven't even charged it yet! ;-/ |
| 22:56:21 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, both - I dumped the flash to get the bootloader. The bootloader (like most mi4 bootloaders I think) is partly thumb code. |
| 22:56:23 | low_light | linuxstb, amiconn: I had a brief look at the elio bl by running it throught the emulator. It's doing a lot of stuff with i2c and registers 0x700038XX that I didn't recognize. |
| 22:56:57 | shotofadds | Bagder: I've charged my D2 exactly once since January. The battery life is truly amazing ;-) |
| 22:57:04 | Bagder | wow |
| 22:57:21 | linuxstb | But don't you have it attached constantly to usb to run tcctool? |
| 22:57:37 | kugel | heh, gotya |
| 22:57:38 | linuxstb | s/constantly/a lot/ |
| 22:57:48 | scorche|sh | shotofadds: have you had a look at the video out yet?...i was curious if it could be possible to have it just output a line out without the video (although i guess it still remains to be seen whether the audio in the tv out is a true line out or not) |
| 22:57:52 | shotofadds | linuxstb: not any more :-) plus, it's not connected all that much anyway. |
| 22:58:28 | bluebrother | shotofadds: are you using the player at all? ;-) |
| 22:58:37 | shotofadds | scorche|sh: not yet (I don't even own the required cable). it's some way down the list i'm afraid... |
| 22:58:37 | Bagder | the meizu came superfloppy formatted which is a bit odd I think |
| 22:58:40 | kugel | if the d2 wouldn't be so expensive... |
| 22:58:57 | shotofadds | bluebrother: it's my main daily player |
| 22:58:59 | scorche|sh | shotofadds: understandable...line out is just the one thing that keep me from purchasing one ;) |
| 22:59:15 | shotofadds | scorche|sh: I'll look at it, but no promises... |
| 22:59:18 | bluebrother | shotofadds: then it must run of fresh air or something like that ;) |
| 22:59:33 | shotofadds | Bagder: the D2 is superfloppy, too. |
| 22:59:38 | scorche|sh | shotofadds: if you have more important work to do, dont bother... |
| 22:59:45 | shotofadds | and some are even FAT16 |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:00 | Bagder | is that some new trend we're seeing? |
| 23:00:07 | linuxstb | And the Elio... |
| 23:01:02 | low_light | and the m:robe 100 |
| 23:01:35 | kugel | linuxstb: No idea? |
| 23:01:43 | Bagder | and hey, the D2 has a very fancy box! ;-) |
| 23:01:53 | Bagder | the one it is shipped in I mean |
| 23:02:05 | shotofadds | ..which reminds me: the Debug>Partitons screen shows junk for superfloppy. is that something worth fixing? |
| 23:02:18 | linuxstb | kugel: No - as I said, it needs thinking about, and I'm not thinking about it at the moment. |
| 23:02:24 | shotofadds | Bagder: yes, the pacakging is very nice. Shame the player's a bit odd looking :/ |
| 23:02:54 | * | Bagder inserts yet another usb cable to charge the D2 |
| 23:03:02 | kugel | linuxstb: I meant to the question I asked you (the main menu updates properly with the parent edited, but the tree not) |
| 23:03:29 | shotofadds | Bagder: is the Meizu really that much smaller? |
| 23:03:37 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:03:41 | preglow | amiconn: move.b %d1, %d2 is equal to %d2 = %d1 & 0xff, yes? |
| 23:03:52 | amiconn | No, it's not |
| 23:03:59 | Bagder | its smaller in all dimensions but especially its thininess is striking |
| 23:04:11 | preglow | hrm, then what was that trick again |
| 23:04:12 | scorche|sh | Bagder: thinner than the nano? |
| 23:04:14 | amiconn | move.b will only change the low 8 bits and keep the top 24 bits |
| 23:04:23 | preglow | bah, so clearing is needed |
| 23:04:35 | markun | scorche|sh: 7mm |
| 23:04:37 | | Quit gatestone (Client Quit) |
| 23:04:50 | markun | what's the thickness of the nano? |
| 23:04:57 | * | preglow finds ruler |
| 23:05:07 | Bagder | actually, the m6 is exactly as long as the d2 |
| 23:05:14 | Bagder | but narrower and thiner |
| 23:05:20 | preglow | 6mm, roughly |
| 23:05:29 | Bagder | I believe the screens are the same size |
| 23:05:41 | amiconn | linuxstb: I would surely consider picking up the elio port, but I'm quite busy with all my other targets already :/ |
| 23:06:13 | gevaerts | DeviceChart says that a nano is 7mm |
| 23:06:17 | bertrik | amiconn: do you ever spend time on anything else but rockbox :P ? |
| 23:06:53 | Bagder | bertrik: sure, he can rest while he compiles! ;-) |
| 23:07:03 | * | shotofadds is away for a bit. back later. |
| 23:07:12 | linuxstb | amiconn: OK. The offer is there if you want it in the future - it's no use to me, and I want to work on the Logik Dax at some point. |
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| 23:07:33 | * | preglow eagerly awaits that |
| 23:07:46 | preglow | i definitely want a dab capable player |
| 23:07:49 | preglow | any other ones on the market, btw? |
| 23:07:52 | amiconn | Re all the new flash-based targets - I wonder why the manufacturers are so conservative regarding storage capacity :\ |
| 23:08:06 | gevaerts | price ? |
| 23:08:15 | jhMikeS | then they force you to buy expansion cards |
| 23:08:17 | Bagder | iAUDIO - Friends & Lovers.mp3 is still with us |
| 23:08:20 | amiconn | I mean, 32GB CF cards are available already - why do most flash-based daps stop at 8GB? |
| 23:08:21 | linuxstb | preglow: Hopefully the DAB chipset in the logik dax is the same as the D2... |
| 23:08:22 | | Join kad- [0] (n=524342ca@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1182033897a488dd) |
| 23:08:36 | bertrik | 4 GB sd-card is only E15,- but price difference between 4GB and 8GB player is much higher |
| 23:08:37 | preglow | d2 does dab? |
| 23:08:37 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The meizu has no slot... |
| 23:08:37 | kad- | hello |
| 23:08:40 | Bagder | amiconn: D2 has a full SD... |
| 23:08:55 | preglow | what chipset does the d2 use again? telechips? |
| 23:08:57 | markun | amiconn: unfortunately not |
| 23:09:06 | Bagder | preglow: yeps |
| 23:09:08 | preglow | hrrmrm |
| 23:09:15 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes. Two different ARM cores... |
| 23:09:22 | preglow | i am kind of ithcing to do some work on a new port... |
| 23:09:24 | linuxstb | See the TelechipsInfo wiki page. |
| 23:09:30 | jhMikeS | meizu wasn't thinking "give them the razor, sell them the blades (at ridiculous prices)" then :) |
| 23:09:33 | preglow | oh shit, it's that huge video player thing |
| 23:09:42 | linuxstb | No, it's tiny... |
| 23:09:49 | preglow | so i see! |
| 23:09:54 | kad- | somebody can help me to unlock my hdd with ata pasword tool please ( sorry for my english , i'm french ! lol) |
| 23:10:09 | preglow | doesn't cost the earth either |
| 23:10:11 | Bagder | is being french that fun? |
| 23:10:21 | markun | nice, google still sends people here about HDD passwords :) |
| 23:10:34 | * | bluebrother wonders what's so funny about a locked hard disk |
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| 23:10:39 | * | jhMikeS should apologise for his French (he's part English) :p |
| 23:11:02 | kad- | please |
| 23:11:19 | * | preglow should apologise for his english, since he's part english |
| 23:11:29 | markun | kad-: I don't think anyone in here can help you |
| 23:11:48 | linuxstb | kad-: All the information we know is on that (very very old) web page you found. |
| 23:11:51 | markun | Bagder: or do you know something about HDD passwords from the early days of the Archos? |
| 23:12:03 | kad- | no but french people are known not to be good in english |
| 23:12:09 | | Quit disorganizer ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.13/2008031114]") |
| 23:12:12 | Bagder | markun: not anything more than what is already said on the page kad- read before he came here |
| 23:12:20 | | Quit bertrik ("bye") |
| 23:12:27 | belze | hey, i got a quick question that i couldnt find an answer for on the page: is it possible to control the brightness of the leds that are enlightning the scroll wheel on the sansa e280? |
| 23:12:38 | linuxstb | Bagder: That page was last modified in March 2008... |
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| 23:12:43 | scorche|sh | kad-: this channel is about #rockbox...not unlocking hard drives, sadly... |
| 23:12:56 | Bagder | linuxstb: yes, when zagor merged everything over to the new dir/setup |
| 23:13:01 | kad- | ok thank's a lot about your help |
| 23:13:02 | scorche|sh | belze: the answer to that should be in the manual.. |
| 23:13:03 | Bagder | the contents wasn't changed I'm sure |
| 23:13:08 | gevaerts | sansalinux seems to have reached lwn |
| 23:13:08 | * | jhMikeS is Polish, English, Lithuanian, German and Irish and so apologises to the world Xd (and for the OT crud) |
| 23:13:34 | kad- | ok so i don't know wath is rockbox |
| 23:13:38 | belze | scorche|sh: i know the feature is not implemented, but would it be possible from the hardware side? |
| 23:13:45 | kad- | so i have to leave |
| 23:13:49 | Bagder | gevaerts: link? |
| 23:13:55 | markun | kad-: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox |
| 23:14:03 | kad- | thank's a lot |
| 23:14:09 | Nico_P | preglow: you have an S, don't you? |
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| 23:14:23 | gevaerts | Bagder: http://lwn.net/Articles/277092/ (just a link to linuxdevices.com) |
| 23:14:25 | kad- | bye bye |
| 23:14:31 | markun | bye bye |
| 23:14:45 | kad- | thank you markun |
| 23:15:01 | Bagder | I find it amusing that sansalinux isn't ipodlinux fixed to run on ipod and sansa... |
| 23:15:18 | bluebrother | someone interested in trying current rbutil? I just made a new w32 binary |
| 23:15:19 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 23:16:07 | bluebrother | around at http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt-v1.0.5pre.zip |
| 23:16:47 | scorche|sh | Bagder: but what would they call it then?! |
| 23:17:14 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: you said something about metadata parsers that should yield. what did you mean? is this a cause for some of the problems on the video ipod? |
| 23:17:34 | amiconn | scorche: daplinux? |
| 23:17:39 | Bagder | pplinux |
| 23:17:47 | | Quit davina (Remote closed the connection) |
| 23:18:09 | amiconn | Or that...perhas |
| 23:18:22 | gevaerts | rocklinux ? |
| 23:18:25 | * | gevaerts ducks |
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| 23:18:41 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I do notice a fuller buffer at the start (like 5 to 10x as much data) if I yield the parser or put a sleep(0) after get_metadata |
| 23:18:50 | DerPapst | maybe both parties can be convinced to put both into svn, no? |
| 23:19:04 | domonoky | hey the mention the have SDL in sansalinux, so we could port the rockbox sim.. :-) |
| 23:19:05 | DerPapst | *into one svn repo |
| 23:19:21 | | Quit low_light ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") |
| 23:19:39 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: on the ipod or on all targets? are you planning on committing? |
| 23:19:57 | | Quit kad- ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") |
| 23:21:04 | jhMikeS | I have a little patch if you could tell me what happens there (quite positive for 30gig video) |
| 23:21:27 | Nico_P | sure |
| 23:22:04 | jhMikeS | jhmikes.cleansoap.org/denasty-5g-try10000.diff">http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/denasty-5g-try10000.diff |
| 23:22:10 | preglow | Nico_P: nope, still only h120 and nano |
| 23:22:37 | Nico_P | oh I thought you'd bought one |
| 23:22:55 | Nico_P | but if you're itching to work on a port, get one! :) |
| 23:23:27 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: that's a lot of tries :) |
| 23:23:40 | preglow | linuxstb: anything holding you back on the dax but time? |
| 23:23:50 | jhMikeS | it feels like 10000 anyway |
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| 23:24:19 | quest23 | need some help |
| 23:24:22 | preglow | linuxstb: i like the specs on the d2... |
| 23:24:24 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, just time. I'm expecting a lot of shotofadds' work on the D2 will be easy to port to the dax. |
| 23:24:24 | quest23 | cant get rockbox to load |
| 23:24:35 | preglow | quest23: be more specific |
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| 23:24:43 | quest23 | one sec |
| 23:25:30 | * | bluebrother goes for crystal ball |
| 23:26:14 | quest23 | file: (hd0,1)/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod err: open failed |
| 23:26:27 | quest23 | i get that on my ipod 5th gen when i try to load rockbox |
| 23:26:29 | bluebrother | quest23: we don't support Loader2 ... |
| 23:26:41 | quest23 | ? |
| 23:26:43 | preglow | use the rockbox bootloader if you want help here, we don't support ipodlinux stuff |
| 23:26:53 | quest23 | o |
| 23:27:03 | quest23 | i tried but i couldnt figure it out |
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| 23:27:08 | quest23 | i am a ubuntu user |
| 23:27:18 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: what's the difference between sleep(0) and yield()? |
| 23:27:20 | preglow | using ipodpatcher is exceedingly simple |
| 23:27:28 | linuxstb | quest23: That doesn't stop you using the Rockbox bootloader... |
| 23:27:28 | bluebrother | the manual holds all needed information. And we have Rockbox Utility for nice installation |
| 23:27:41 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: sleep(0) sleeps at least until the end of the next tick |
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| 23:27:56 | quest23 | how do i fix this using linux |
| 23:28:10 | jhMikeS | yield() just turns control to another thread (if another is running) |
| 23:28:20 | linuxstb | quest23: Do you want Rockbox or Rockbox + iPodLinux ? |
| 23:28:22 | bluebrother | uninstall Loader2 and install Rockbox' bootloader |
| 23:28:27 | quest23 | rockbox |
| 23:28:39 | linuxstb | quest23: Then just follow the install instructions in the manual. |
| 23:28:43 | quest23 | got ipod linux working..it sucks |
| 23:28:43 | scorche|sh | quest23: we have a very fine manual for these things |
| 23:28:50 | markun | quest23: you could try http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
| 23:29:11 | bluebrother | markun: it's even linked from the manual ;-) |
| 23:29:13 | preglow | linuxstb: why, tv-out too... |
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| 23:29:15 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I think it's better than it was without the sleep(0) call, but it's still not as good as SVN is |
| 23:29:20 | DerPapst | quest23: pffffff |
| 23:29:20 | markun | quest23: rockbox might suck for you as well :) |
| 23:29:31 | markun | what are you expecting it to do? |
| 23:29:38 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: be more specific |
| 23:29:38 | bluebrother | indeed. Rockbox sucks :P |
| 23:29:45 | preglow | linuxstb: do you know if it's capable of decoding video at tv resolutions, though? |
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| 23:30:10 | linuxstb | preglow: I don't know much about the D2. |
| 23:30:11 | quest23 | well..from what ive seen it has alot of capabilities |
| 23:30:13 | quest23 | fonts |
| 23:30:13 | * | bluebrother hides |
| 23:30:15 | quest23 | themes |
| 23:30:18 | quest23 | and whatnot |
| 23:30:27 | DerPapst | always remember.. rockbox sounds like a bag of shit :-P |
| 23:30:35 | quest23 | i just want to be able to give my ipod a new look |
| 23:30:36 | * | bluebrother misses the quest23's question |
| 23:30:41 | * | jhMikeS hears logbot walking closer |
| 23:30:59 | linuxstb | quest23: That's not what Rockbox is about - it completely changes how your ipod operates. |
| 23:31:01 | bluebrother | who needs a "new look" if he can get Rockbox? |
| 23:31:03 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: my test is to resume playback on startup, and pause/unpause a couple times during the initial loading phase. on svn there is almost no response delay. here there's a delay of a couple seconds |
| 23:31:24 | bluebrother | quest23: it's also not what's IPL about ... |
| 23:31:42 | * | DerPapst thanks bluebrother :-) |
| 23:31:47 | Nico_P | with no sleep(0) call, as it was before you reinstated the hack, the delay could get very long (something like 5 to 10 seconds) |
| 23:31:51 | linuxstb | quest23: We think for the better though - e.g. it frees you from itunes (or third-party equivalent) and lets you just copy files directly to your ipod's disk and play them. |
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| 23:31:55 | quest23 | so what do you recommend..that i uninstall both and just stick with what i had |
| 23:32:10 | markun | quest23: some info about what you get with rockbox: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox |
| 23:32:21 | markun | (it doesn't mention all the bugs of course :) |
| 23:32:26 | linuxstb | quest23: You don't lose anything by trying Rockbox - but be prepared that it changes more than just the looks. The manual is very helpful... |
| 23:32:28 | DerPapst | quest23: try out rockbox. if you like it keep it if not uninstall it again |
| 23:32:29 | bluebrother | well, you could of course check out Rockbox. Beware that it's completely different than AppleOS. |
| 23:32:41 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: That reduces it to a couple second from 5 to 10? hmmm...I'd say we have a inkling that something isn't yielding enough in that area. |
| 23:32:45 | bluebrother | if you just want a different look, stick to the old firmware. |
| 23:33:17 | preglow | jhMikeS: done any work on preemptive multitasking? :> |
| 23:33:18 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I might be overestimating the delays there used to be, but I think that's a step in the right direction |
| 23:33:58 | Nico_P | (i.e. the patch is a step in the right direction) |
| 23:34:25 | Nico_P | maybe audio_load_track needs to yield more |
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| 23:36:20 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I think the metadata parsers can go way too long without giving up control since it may scan up to twice as many bytes without having to read again. |
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| 23:37:08 | amiconn | Nico_P, jhMikeS: I have the impression that *something* completely stops yielding for a while if there's high activity during start of playback |
| 23:37:48 | jhMikeS | preglow: mostly thinking about it and the #1 start concern there is the disk |
| 23:38:05 | preglow | jhMikeS: in what way? preempting transfers? |
| 23:38:09 | amiconn | I had some strange effects when running fire.rock during buffering when greyscale wasn't on cop. Buttons *completely* unresponsive for >10 seconds after returning from the plugin |
| 23:38:17 | Nico_P | amiconn: that would be audio_load_track. it does quite a lot of stuff and none of it yields AFAIK |
| 23:39:15 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: try putting yields right in the metadata parser for whatever format you're testing with |
| 23:39:29 | jhMikeS | that actually gave the best results for me |
| 23:39:44 | amiconn | That was on 2nd Gen, btw |
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| 23:40:34 | * | preglow dislikes yield() |
| 23:40:41 | jhMikeS | preglow: mostly concurrency in the FAT driver. it's not 100% secure even now for removable storage. |
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| 23:43:41 | kugel | linuxstb: Ok, I've tried editing the parent viewport again. I changed the update_viewport in list_draw a bit, and everything seems to update just fine, EXCEPT the filetree |
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| 23:44:13 | jhMikeS | preglow: and I'm not sure how to pull it off on PP for the COP either (what drives the quantum tick there? TIMER2 is used for other purposes. Mailbox IRQ would probably be needed). |
| 23:44:59 | * | Bagder does the dance of the growing committers list |
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| 23:46:14 | Nico_P | Bagder: mcuelenare? |
| 23:46:14 | kugel | Bagder: Have fun :P |
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| 23:46:24 | Bagder | Nico_P: yeps |
| 23:46:43 | preglow | bah, d2 is of course not as cheap as you'd think in norway |
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| 23:47:56 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I added a couple yields in get_mp3_metadata but I don't really see an improvement |
| 23:49:10 | Nico_P | my guess is that in the initial buffering phase (which seems to be much slower than the rest of the buffering), the buffering thread is competing with the metadata parsers over the disk |
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| 23:54:42 | preglow | amiconn: btw, any technical details preventing us from merging the 64 meg ipod video build with the 32 meg one, or just again a matter of time? |
| 23:54:46 | jhMikeS | the difference is that in SVN, the hack object doesn't block (just "busy yields") so the thread waiting keeps its position in the run list. A mutex wake will put it at the end (this is proper) but since the list is just circular anyway for two threads running this should be equivalent. |
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| 23:55:55 | markun | preglow: a question for you? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16289.0 |
| 23:56:20 | critter- | can you put rockbox on any revision of the ipod video 30gb ? |
| 23:56:29 | DerPapst | yes |
| 23:56:34 | critter- | thank you |
| 23:56:45 | preglow | markun: will answer it |
| 23:56:51 | jhMikeS | one question is why I don't observe a speed difference on other devices regardless |
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