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| 00:02:59 | kugel | linuxstb: I begin to see |
| 00:03:44 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: have you been able to into the buffer screen and skip backward to force full rebuffers and observed anything interesting? |
| 00:04:04 | Nico_P | I'll try |
| 00:04:45 | preglow | amiconn: i can't remember anything about that being a problem |
| 00:06:14 | amiconn | preglow: Codec buffer and plugin buffer are at the end of ram now, which is a different address depending on whether there are 32 or 64MB ... |
| 00:06:30 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I don't see much apart from what I said above about buffering and metadata competing over the disk |
| 00:06:45 | preglow | amiconn: and moving them to the start of ram is the straightforward solution |
| 00:06:49 | preglow | startish, at least |
| 00:07:04 | amiconn | I made a suggestion on how sections could be re-ordered at devcon 2007, but nobody actually implemented it |
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| 00:07:13 | preglow | yes, i remember that |
| 00:07:15 | preglow | which is why i asked |
| 00:07:16 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: do you think it would be wiser to interleave metdata and audio loading? |
| 00:07:34 | amiconn | So I think that nobody is interested enough to actually do it |
| 00:07:51 | Nico_P | amiconn: is it a lot of work? |
| 00:07:53 | preglow | amiconn: would mostly just be linked script hacking, yes? |
| 00:07:55 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I was considering the idea of having the buffering thread actually do the parsing if that's what you mean |
| 00:07:57 | preglow | linker |
| 00:08:24 | amiconn | preglow: Not only. It also requires work in crt0 (relocating stuff after starting |
| 00:08:47 | preglow | jhMikeS: i'm starting to think about doing some work towards supporting proper multiple sample rates... |
| 00:08:53 | Bagder | the linker script should be easier to fiddle with now when moved into the target tree and thus less ifdefy |
| 00:08:58 | amiconn | The image will be loaded at the start of ram, and an artifical gap in the file would be bad |
| 00:09:00 | preglow | Bagder: definitely |
| 00:09:27 | amiconn | Bagder: If we do this reshuffle, we should probably do it for all targets |
| 00:10:02 | amiconn | Could be useful to get rid of the special 8MB archos builds, and perhaps also merge iriver h100 and h120 builds |
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| 00:10:19 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: that could help, yes. we could make it load metadata with priority over audio |
| 00:10:21 | DerPapst | adn ipv |
| 00:10:26 | DerPapst | doh |
| 00:10:32 | jhMikeS | preglow: I'm having nightmares about that |
| 00:10:36 | DerPapst | and ipod video 32MB and 6MB |
| 00:10:43 | DerPapst | *64MB |
| 00:10:43 | preglow | jhMikeS: yeah, i probably haven't thought well enough about it... |
| 00:10:51 | preglow | but still, i see no _real_ reason it should be exceedingly hard |
| 00:10:59 | amiconn | DerPapst: No need to mention the original reason... |
| 00:11:29 | DerPapst | sorry? ;-) |
| 00:11:35 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: isn't the buffer arranged as |MD|AUDIO|MD|AUDIO|? |
| 00:12:02 | jhMikeS | The codec won't start anyway until the metadata is loaded |
| 00:12:22 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: it is, yes. but once the spaces are allocated there's no real constraint on the order with which we fill them |
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| 00:12:50 | amiconn | The iriver h100+h120 unification would need a bit of runtime behaviour modification (spdif enable polarity), but other builds do that too (archos, ipod 1st/2nd Gen....) in other areas |
| 00:13:04 | jhMikeS | which explains the variation in how long it may take a file to start playing |
| 00:13:06 | preglow | amiconn: such a small runtime check is perfectly ok, if you ask me |
| 00:13:07 | Nico_P | so I was thinking of loading the metadata for the 1st track, then part of its audio, then metadata for all other tracks, then remaining audio |
| 00:13:50 | amiconn | preglow: Of course. The mentioned examples do far bigger ones (the biggest I am aware of is the old/new lcd decision on archos player (!)) |
| 00:14:11 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: well I don't fully understand those variations yet. when I say there's no constraint, it's theory. in practice we fill the audio spaces in sequential order |
| 00:14:28 | preglow | amiconn: i think isolated cases are completely ok, it doesn't add any real complexity, and having fewer builds makes up for it |
| 00:14:38 | * | gevaerts expects the runtime checks for the meizu to be much bigger |
| 00:14:44 | Nico_P | what I mean is that we could fill them in the order we want to |
| 00:14:56 | amiconn | The 2 LCDs have a completely different charset with a different number of user-definable characters, and completely different command sets too |
| 00:15:02 | jhMikeS | but a track won't start decoding until the metadata for it is ready so if that gets delayed...well, you get the idea |
| 00:15:38 | Nico_P | it shouldn't, but yeah I see what you mean |
| 00:15:51 | jhMikeS | the codecs wait for it internally |
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| 00:16:02 | amiconn | Well, the ipod color is a similar example (2 different LCDs). The ipod 1st/2nd Gen needs to decide on wheel enable, and adc read-out routine |
| 00:16:36 | jhMikeS | the current track should have buffering priority of course |
| 00:16:49 | amiconn | All bitmap archoses have several bits for selecting signal polarities. Oh, and the Ondio FM has 2 rather different tuner drivers... |
| 00:16:51 | markun | amiconn: the Meizu M3 needs to check for different LCD modules and different DACs. |
| 00:17:17 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: yes, but I think it's a good idea to only buffer part of its audio data and then move on to metadata for the following tracks |
| 00:17:26 | amiconn | So, such decisions are normal |
| 00:17:40 | Nico_P | and after that, fill all the remaining audio data |
| 00:17:41 | amiconn | I'm not sure about the 2 Mini builds though |
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| 00:18:53 | linuxstb | markun: All the different M3 versions look the same externally? |
| 00:19:05 | linuxstb | ^Meizu M3... |
| 00:19:19 | linuxstb | MM3? |
| 00:19:28 | markun | linuxstb: maybe the serial number starts differently |
| 00:20:05 | markun | the M6 models start with TP, SP, or SL |
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| 00:20:48 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I could try to start implementing that maybe tomorrow, unless you want to do it |
| 00:21:44 | Nico_P | I also just started a reorganization of audio_check_new_track, but I think moving metadata loading to the buffering thread has more potential right now |
| 00:21:46 | jhMikeS | I'm working on Gigabeat S stuff atm |
| 00:21:52 | preglow | linuxstb: seems not all d2 units have dab :/ |
| 00:22:32 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: heh, then please don't change :) |
| 00:22:42 | linuxstb | preglow: Correct. |
| 00:22:48 | BigBambi | jhMikeS: \ô/ |
| 00:22:52 | linuxstb | I think Bagder has bought one without DAB. |
| 00:22:56 | preglow | damn, i'm itching for one of these buggers now |
| 00:23:02 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: did you see aliask's SPI patch btw? |
| 00:23:10 | Bagder | yes mine's without dab |
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| 00:23:19 | linuxstb | You _may_ need to buy it from the UK - I'm not sure where else they're sold with DAB. |
| 00:23:23 | markun | linuxstb: I talked to gevaerts about adding some runtime detection and optional macros to make an optimized build for a particular revision |
| 00:23:31 | preglow | linuxstb: i've found norwegian stores that claim to have ones with dab |
| 00:23:33 | * | amiconn would like a rockbox target with DAB support, but not touchy stuff like the D2 :\ |
| 00:23:39 | Bagder | I found it in Sweden with dab too |
| 00:23:46 | markun | Bagder: did you open it up yet? |
| 00:23:51 | Bagder | nope |
| 00:24:00 | linuxstb | OK - it was launched in the UK first, but obviously is now more widely available. |
| 00:24:20 | preglow | seems to cost around 2k nok for a dab one |
| 00:24:26 | Bagder | the D2 actually has screws visible |
| 00:24:41 | jhMikeS | BigBambi: :) BTW, what's \'/ ?? (Visual IRC sucks with Unicode) |
| 00:24:41 | Bagder | the meizu seems harder to get into |
| 00:24:51 | markun | I didn't open mine |
| 00:25:02 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: no...someone should have said something :) |
| 00:25:03 | BigBambi | jhMikeS: It was an 'o' with a circumflex (a little hat) on it |
| 00:25:14 | preglow | don't think i'll end up justifying the cost when i've already got other mp3 players :/ |
| 00:25:19 | linuxstb | I would be curious to know if the DAB module is the same as the Logik DAX - I've documented the DAX on the wiki |
| 00:25:21 | BigBambi | in the middle of '\' and '/' |
| 00:25:23 | jhMikeS | \/ |
| 00:25:24 | preglow | i need to get more advanced habits :P |
| 00:25:41 | BigBambi | jhMikeS: Nah, little hat not two dots |
| 00:25:57 | * | gevaerts prefers \☺/ |
| 00:26:03 | jhMikeS | that's an "O"+"~" here |
| 00:26:05 | * | Nico_P sees a flat hat in what jhMikeSsaid |
| 00:26:23 | BigBambi | Nico_P: what about ô vs ö |
| 00:26:30 | * | gevaerts sees a wavy hairstyle there |
| 00:26:40 | BigBambi | for me, first is little hat (not flat) second is two dots |
| 00:26:41 | Nico_P | BigBambi: there I see the difference |
| 00:27:16 | Nico_P | I guess my font is too small for jhMikeS' hair to be wavy |
| 00:27:20 | BigBambi | aha |
| 00:27:46 | BigBambi | jhMikeS: Anyway, originally it was an 'o' with a '^' on it :) |
| 00:28:05 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: it's FS #8792 in case you haven't seen yet |
| 00:28:42 | preglow | grah, the arm cores are quite nice too |
| 00:28:56 | jhMikeS | \/ |
| 00:29:27 | * | jhMikeS wonders how he missed that FS |
| 00:29:45 | gevaerts | \☺/ \☻/ |
| 00:30:12 | markun | jhMikeS has a questionmark in his face for me... |
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| 00:32:50 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: It's stated it's not really an SVN suited patch. I was doing a interrupt-based one with nodes so it can handle all the SPI chips in the system (and read/write multiple values) |
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| 00:33:38 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: yes. I guess it might save you some time if it had stuff he found out |
| 00:33:55 | jhMikeS | we need read/write multiple to do backlight fading which is hardware controlled and needs two values sent withing 30uS. |
| 00:35:31 | preglow | Bagder: is the retailos usable? |
| 00:35:47 | Bagder | haven't tried it yet actually |
| 00:36:26 | Bagder | still doing the primary charging |
| 00:37:03 | Bagder | but it boasts flac and ogg playback etc |
| 00:38:08 | kugel | JdGordon: ping |
| 00:38:42 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: It'll probably be thread based (to allow sleeping) but actual handling of the PMU interrupts can be done on a worker thread. |
| 00:39:37 | shotofadds | preglow: assuming you're still taling D2, the retail firmware is actually usuable. |
| 00:39:42 | shotofadds | s/taling/talking |
| 00:39:55 | jhMikeS | btw, the processor is currently only running half speed after boot (the core clock divider is set to /2 by retailos so it's at 264 MHz). |
| 00:40:03 | preglow | shotofadds: cool, nice to be able to use it somewhat for videos and the like while porting |
| 00:40:24 | preglow | shotofadds: btw, do you know what clock the cores run at? i see from the wiki the second runs at 30 |
| 00:40:31 | preglow | 300 |
| 00:40:42 | shotofadds | the wiki is incorrect, in that case |
| 00:40:47 | preglow | really, now |
| 00:40:54 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: what about USB? |
| 00:41:00 | shotofadds | both cores run at up to 192Mhz |
| 00:41:12 | preglow | both seem to be pretty capable too |
| 00:41:14 | shotofadds | (although I have done no testing with COP whatsoever) |
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| 00:42:22 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I think the serial driver has to come first for detection. |
| 00:43:48 | linuxstb | preglow: According to the D2's manual, it can handle 320x240@30fps (MPEG4 or WMV) |
| 00:44:38 | preglow | linuxstb: which kind of sucks for tv out, but i guess it's far better than nothing |
| 00:44:49 | preglow | linuxstb: mpeg2 should decode more efficiently anyway |
| 00:44:50 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: do we know enough to be able to start implementing USB once the serial driver is ready, or is there more research needed? |
| 00:45:15 | amiconn | Does any of the new non-ipod colour targets actually have a reasonable LCD (i.e. not the pitch-black type)? |
| 00:45:55 | shotofadds | sadly the D2's is pitch-black |
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| 00:46:10 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I think there's not much more to know from the logic diagram. The tranceiver appears to be selected and controlled by OTG. |
| 00:46:11 | preglow | what is meant by pitch-black type? |
| 00:46:19 | shotofadds | not visible without backlight |
| 00:46:27 | preglow | :/ |
| 00:46:38 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: that means the imx31? |
| 00:46:47 | shotofadds | it's the same screen as the ZVM, actually. |
| 00:46:58 | linuxstb | shotofadds: Do you know if the D2 can do Band L DAB? |
| 00:47:14 | linuxstb | (Band 3 is used in the UK) |
| 00:47:14 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: yes. toffe82 said the CS pin is C10 which is USB_OC on the ball map |
| 00:48:19 | jhMikeS | Which seems to go against "CS(GPIO)". |
| 00:48:23 | shotofadds | linuxstb: I don't believe it can (though I can't recall where that answer came from) |
| 00:48:44 | linuxstb | shotofadds: I hope it can't (my Logik Dax can't either...) |
| 00:48:57 | shotofadds | linuxstb: I think it came from a Cowon Germany rep (re: ugrade to DAB+, etc) |
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| 00:49:34 | linuxstb | What have they said about DAB+? |
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| 00:49:53 | kugel | JdGordon: In the hope you read the logs |
| 00:49:56 | CilliClone | Is it just me, or do rather a lot of jpegs not view correctly on rockbox? |
| 00:50:18 | linuxstb | CilliClone: Depends how many progressive jpegs you have - Rockbox can't view them. |
| 00:50:39 | linuxstb | Or what do you mean by "not view correctly" / |
| 00:50:56 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/m6d2.html |
| 00:51:03 | shotofadds | well, since DAB is (apparently) being switched off in favour of DAB+ in Germany, users wanted to confirm the D2 is software-upgradeable. Apparently it is. |
| 00:51:06 | CilliClone | linuxstb: It gives an unsupported error |
| 00:51:08 | * | jhMikeS needs to see what "USB_OC" is anyway. |
| 00:51:10 | Bagder | shows the m6 next to d2 |
| 00:51:31 | CilliClone | I assume it's not reasonably simple for me to write a patch to fix that? |
| 00:52:00 | kugel | JdGordon: I'm refering to this i.e. function "void list_draw(struct screen *display, struct viewport *parent, struct gui_synclist *list)". It came with your list vp commit. I'm wondering what the "struct viewport *parent" is needed for, the gui_synclist struct has a parent vp within, this could be used, or am I missing something? |
| 00:52:01 | shotofadds | Bagder: the D2's a bit of a fatty compared to those two... |
| 00:52:16 | linuxstb | shotofadds: That's a good sign then - so we can implement it too... (the DAB+ specs are publically available for free) |
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| 00:52:43 | preglow | linuxstb: that would seriously rock |
| 00:52:55 | * | kugel is jealous of all those d2 people :( |
| 00:53:07 | kugel | Good night |
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| 00:53:10 | wooster | This is going to be a bit orthagonal to the discussion, but I said I would report back, so pardon my pasting (I won't flood tho). |
| 00:53:18 | wooster | One week ago (Tue, Apr 1) I stopped in and asked about buying a refurb Sansa e260 from buy.com, wondering if it was version 1 and would therefore work with Rockbox. |
| 00:53:20 | * | shotofadds is jealous of all these targets with >1 developer :( |
| 00:53:28 | wooster | I got lots of help here, especially from BigBambi, pixelma and advcomp2019. I said I'd drop back by after it was delievered and so here I am to tell you that the buy.cm Sansa e260 that I got was indeed v.1 [FIRMWARE VERSION 01.02.18A ] and does work with Rockbox. |
| 00:53:49 | wooster | SO I'm happy. I presume this will always be a crapshoot but the 2 refurb Sansas I've gotten from Buy.com in the past month (this e260 and a recent c250) were both Rockbox-compatible. |
| 00:53:53 | BigBambi | wooster: Glad to hear it :) |
| 00:53:55 | shotofadds | linuxstb: DAB+ would rock, completely. How hard can it be.......? |
| 00:54:03 | wooster | ..end.. Sorry for the screen dump but I had it all typed out. |
| 00:54:15 | wooster | Thanks bigBambi, I appreciate your help! |
| 00:54:21 | wooster | it's great |
| 00:54:23 | BigBambi | no probs, anytime |
| 00:54:44 | preglow | shotofadds: he-aac isn't exactly a trivial decode, but it's completely doable on that core |
| 00:54:49 | wooster | ok, now I'll leave so you folks can continue making this great software. Bye! |
| 00:54:54 | linuxstb | shotofadds: Once DAB itself is working, supporting DAB+ should be trivial - we already have an aac+ decoder in Rockbox (I think...) |
| 00:54:56 | advcomp2019 | wooster, great to hear too and no problem |
| 00:54:59 | preglow | shotofadds: i'm seriously considering getting a d2 now |
| 00:55:06 | wooster | thanks adv2019 for your help... bye! |
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| 00:55:20 | linuxstb | shotofadds: The only issue will be optimising it - it may struggle... |
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| 00:55:46 | shotofadds | linuxstb: have you looked at DAB on the dax? |
| 00:55:51 | preglow | btw, what are the odds of bricking d2s? |
| 00:55:53 | linuxstb | Not at all. |
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| 00:56:02 | shotofadds | preglow: practically zero |
| 00:56:09 | shotofadds | I haven't managed it yet. |
| 00:56:13 | preglow | what i wanted to hear :) |
| 00:56:25 | linuxstb | preglow: There's a 4KB boot ROM in the SoC which gives a USB boot mode - that's what tcctool uses to transfer code to RAM |
| 00:56:30 | preglow | how far have you gone towards really trying to brick it, though? :P |
| 00:56:46 | shotofadds | linuxstb: did you look at any of the SDK links posted to the forum? there might be soemthing helpful in there, |
| 00:56:56 | shotofadds | linuxstb: it's 8kb btw |
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| 00:57:15 | * | jhMikeS wonders why one would want to "try" to brick a device |
| 00:57:18 | linuxstb | I thought it was 4KB... Or maybe that's the tcc77x |
| 00:57:44 | * | linuxstb needs to stop starting new things and go back to the logik dax |
| 00:57:45 | preglow | jhMikeS: well, not conciously try... |
| 00:57:45 | shotofadds | preglow: I don't think that's possible. If you even go as far as destroying the low-level format of the NAND it'll try to re-format it. |
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| 00:58:45 | * | shotofadds is off to grab some much needed sleep. |
| 00:58:46 | jhMikeS | USB_OC = USB OUTPUT CONTROL (why doesn't the RM just say so) :p |
| 00:59:04 | linuxstb | shotofadds: Do you know if anyone has taken photos of the internals of a D2 DAB? |
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| 00:59:27 | saratoga2 | AAC+ decoding should be fine on an ARM9 core, even given our decoder |
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| 01:02:15 | preglow | saratoga2: sure, it should even be doable on an ipod core, given nicely optimized code |
| 01:02:25 | preglow | saratoga2: at least he-aac, parametric stereo might be asking for too much |
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| 01:09:43 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: btw, on H10 I only see about 2s more buffering time over using the ata lock hack (and the disk is really slow on that). 22 vs 20 and I'm not sure it wasn't just some random variation. |
| 01:10:40 | Nico_P | I need to do some timing |
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| 01:18:29 | jhMikeS | the only difference between 30gig and 60/80gig is the sector size? |
| 01:19:49 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: IIRC only the 80G has the 2k sectors (or maybe also the newer 30G) |
| 01:19:53 | pixelma | the main difference is RAM size (32 vs.64) and the 80GB disk has a different sector size (if I don't mix things up) |
| 01:20:16 | saratoga2 | preglow: I remember the Helix people claimed 80MHz or something equally ridiculous for ARM7 with 0 latency memory |
| 01:20:27 | saratoga2 | so i'm not too sure, at least not without dual core |
| 01:20:46 | pixelma | RAM size of 32 vs 64 _MB_ that is :) |
| 01:20:47 | DerPapst | 5.5G iPod have 2k sectors |
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| 01:21:17 | * | jhMikeS sees MAX_PHYS_SECTOR_SIZE 1024 defined unconditionally in config-ipodvideo.h |
| 01:21:23 | DerPapst | so the 5.5G 30GB iPod has 2k sectors too |
| 01:22:04 | DerPapst | whereas the 5G 30GB one has 512byte sectors :-) |
| 01:22:20 | preglow | saratoga2: for aacplus version1 or 2? |
| 01:22:22 | * | gevaerts thinks the 5G is better : it has more sectors |
| 01:23:28 | saratoga2 | i think that was V1 only |
| 01:23:40 | amiconn | The 5.5G/80GB's *hard disk* has 1024-byte sectors |
| 01:23:54 | amiconn | All other ipod harddisks have standard 512-byte sectors |
| 01:23:58 | preglow | saratoga2: https://datatype.helixcommunity.org/2005/aacfixptdec.html |
| 01:24:13 | jhMikeS | 30g compiles with large sectors and an #error in the #define block confirms that |
| 01:24:22 | amiconn | However, the 5.5G 30GB *and* 80GB present their disk as having 2048-byte sectors *over USB* |
| 01:24:59 | amiconn | This means that the file system uses 2048-byte *logical* sectors |
| 01:25:30 | amiconn | jhMikeS: It's called MAX_PHSY_SECTOR_SIZE, not PHYS_SECTOR_SIZE |
| 01:25:48 | amiconn | The ata driver reads the actual physical sector size from the identify info |
| 01:26:05 | saratoga2 | ah so 60MHz ARM9TDMI, which is probably around 70MHz ARM7TDMI |
| 01:26:47 | preglow | deed |
| 01:26:56 | saratoga2 | doesn't fill me with hope |
| 01:26:59 | jhMikeS | amiconn: ok, but it's compiling with the lock hack too which means maybe I can actually test something |
| 01:27:10 | preglow | so we're go on d2, but not ipod |
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| 01:27:25 | saratoga2 | though maybe the SBR could be done on the COP |
| 01:27:34 | preglow | saratoga2: not impossible, no |
| 01:27:36 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Maybe, although the ata driver won't use the caching layer if the disk has 512-byte sectors |
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| 01:27:44 | amiconn | It could be forced to though |
| 01:27:58 | amiconn | ...on any disk-based rockbox target, btw |
| 01:28:52 | jhMikeS | I've forced the use of the caching layer on H10 with no trouble |
| 01:29:55 | amiconn | So maybe it's the filesystem and no the disk? |
| 01:30:36 | jhMikeS | not using the lock hack on 30gig is working fine too |
| 01:30:44 | jhMikeS | playing AAC and MP3 |
| 01:30:53 | amiconn | 5.5G? |
| 01:31:58 | jhMikeS | there's 5g and 5.5G 30gig? where do you find that out? there's nothing on the outside. |
| 01:32:33 | amiconn | Yes, both do exist |
| 01:32:57 | amiconn | The 5G has 512-byte logical sector in the filesystem, whereas the 5.5G has 2048-byte logical sectors |
| 01:34:15 | * | jhMikeS finds it odd that "View Disk Info" says nothing about this :) |
| 01:35:01 | critter- | which might be better in terms of long term replacement of batteries and hard drive the h320 or a ipod video 30gb ? |
| 01:35:49 | jhMikeS | amiconn: so phys_sector_mult would be 2? |
| 01:35:56 | amiconn | nope |
| 01:36:07 | amiconn | Don't confuse physical and logical sectors |
| 01:36:32 | jhMikeS | what here will tell me what I've got? |
| 01:36:34 | amiconn | The G5.5/30GB has ordinary 512-byte physical sectors, but 2048-byte logical sectors in the filesystem |
| 01:36:48 | jhMikeS | ok |
| 01:37:23 | linuxstb | Just running fdisk will tell you (or ipodpatcher) |
| 01:37:52 | amiconn | Meh, forgot ipodpatcher tells the sector size (was thinking about how to read that) |
| 01:38:05 | DerPapst | or the serial number ;-) |
| 01:38:28 | jhMikeS | ok, I didn't really pay too much attention |
| 01:38:44 | * | linuxstb wonders why he bothers making ipodpatcher show useful info ;) |
| 01:39:01 | Cannoli | quick question, what is the name of the file that needs to be put into a folder if u dont want to add it to the database? |
| 01:39:18 | DerPapst | database.ignore iirv |
| 01:39:21 | DerPapst | *iirc |
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| 01:39:58 | Cannoli | kk and if i put that in root it should ignore everything right? |
| 01:40:09 | DerPapst | yes |
| 01:40:38 | jhMikeS | [INFO] Ipod found - Video (aka 5th Generation) ("winpod") - disk device 2 |
| 01:40:38 | jhMikeS | [INFO] Reading partition table from \\.\PhysicalDrive2 |
| 01:40:38 | jhMikeS | [INFO] Sector size is 2048 bytes |
| 01:40:50 | Cannoli | alright and iirc database.unignore should add the mp3 files in the database where the unignore file is? |
| 01:41:00 | DerPapst | yes |
| 01:41:03 | Cannoli | kk ty |
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| 01:42:30 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Ah, so it's a G5.5 |
| 01:42:36 | * | DerPapst thinks he should get some sleep... |
| 01:43:07 | jhMikeS | so here, no hack = just great :) |
| 01:43:25 | amiconn | But why does the 80GB need the hack, then? |
| 01:43:56 | amiconn | Because of the 1024-byte physical sectors? Unlikely, because you tested with the caching layer. |
| 01:44:10 | amiconn | Because of the RAM size? No idea how likely that would be |
| 01:44:19 | jhMikeS | I have no idea unless something unrelated is wrong there |
| 01:44:31 | DerPapst | But then the 60GB 5G would suffer from that too. |
| 01:44:53 | amiconn | Hmm, but you could try forcing the caching layer on the G5.5/30GB, as that gives a combination you didn't test yet, but the G5.5/80GB represents |
| 01:45:12 | amiconn | 1024-byte physical sectors *and* 2048-byte logical sectors |
| 01:45:26 | jhMikeS | will do. what should be changed to force that? |
| 01:45:41 | DerPapst | Good night everyone :-) |
| 01:45:47 | jhMikeS | nighty |
| 01:46:15 | amiconn | Just replace the detection (lines 1262..1266) in the ata driver with an assignment: phys_sector_mult = 2; |
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| 01:48:13 | amiconn | It's not actually a multiplier, it just limits the ata driver to read/write sectors in multiples of that number, and also aligned according to it |
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| 01:49:54 | jhMikeS | still seems ok |
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| 01:51:58 | jhMikeS | all the combos of locking / size are pretty indistiguishable in behavior |
| 01:57:11 | jhMikeS | I compiled this for 32MB ram, it should be 64MB? |
| 01:57:35 | amiconn | No, unless you want to see rockbox crash ;) |
| 01:58:07 | amiconn | Only the 60GB (G5) and 80GB (G5.5) models have 64MB ram |
| 01:58:23 | jhMikeS | ok but that pretty much leaves that as the only variable here |
| 01:58:56 | amiconn | Could also be rockbox settings differences |
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| 02:00:02 | amiconn | Iirc I did some quick checks on other targets when this bug was reported, and couldn't reproduce the problem.... until a couple of days later I loaded cabbiev2. |
| 02:00:30 | stripwax | is the bug being discussed the skipping/gapping/buffering behaviour on startup? |
| 02:00:30 | jhMikeS | I do have cabbiev2 loaded. Perhaps resume to playback will do something. |
| 02:00:31 | amiconn | Changed back to a sane wps, and the problem went away... might be solved meanwhile thanks to bmp strips |
| 02:00:40 | jhMikeS | *restart |
| 02:03:17 | amiconn | Maybe that too. I don't normally use that (always start in file broswer for me) |
| 02:03:17 | Nico_P | stripwax: hi! did you see that sliding puzzle is now using the smooth bitmap resize? |
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| 02:03:38 | stripwax | Nico_P - I did! :) haven't tried it out yet though |
| 02:04:28 | stripwax | amiconn/jhMikeS - fwiw (if you're talking about what I think you're talking about), I get that from time to time, with 5g 60 GB, using cabbiev2 |
| 02:04:57 | stripwax | if that doesn't add any new datapoints please ignore me :) |
| 02:05:12 | * | jhMikeS has cabbiev2, database update, dircache scan and resume at startup without any unresponsiveness or dropouts |
| 02:05:42 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: the dircache scan doesn't seem to change anything for me |
| 02:05:55 | stripwax | I do have albumart |
| 02:06:08 | stripwax | (but I don't have database enabled) |
| 02:06:10 | * | jhMikeS has that too |
| 02:07:22 | stripwax | my resume on startup resumes into the middle of quite a long playlist also |
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| 02:08:02 | jhMikeS | all the disk bound threads are clawing away for it and it responds to input like nothing is running |
| 02:08:21 | stripwax | and my albumart is all called "cover.bmp" in the same folder as the corresponding audio file. trying to think whatever other differences there might be |
| 02:09:48 | stripwax | when I get a chance I'll put on the latest build and see if anything got better. I'm running one from a few days ago |
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| 02:13:29 | jhMikeS | the database thread is occasionally being bumped from 20 to 15 (buffering priority) so I know that's working properly and there's contention |
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| 02:28:23 | Mario_372 | can someone help me fix a sansa? |
| 02:30:09 | advcomp2019 | Mario_372, just say what happened |
| 02:31:23 | Mario_372 | oh |
| 02:31:26 | Mario_372 | :p |
| 02:33:05 | Mario_372 | when i turn on the sansa it loads up then goes to refreshing database over and over i have tried everything can i get some help plz? |
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| 02:38:53 | Mario_372 | when i turn on the sansa it loads up then goes to refreshing database over and over i have tried everything can i get some help plz? |
| 02:39:00 | tatootian | anyone know an alternative way of formatting an iPod when Ituens doesn't detect my iPod? o_O |
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| 02:41:46 | jhMikeS | Mario_372: you mean it refreshes when you boot it to original firmware and then goes into the menus or turning in on once leaves it refreshing in a infinite loop? |
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| 02:44:00 | Mario_372 | yes |
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| 02:44:18 | jhMikeS | the first or second one? |
| 02:44:44 | Mario_372 | 2nd |
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| 02:45:21 | jhMikeS | I have to ask is rockbox installed? |
| 02:45:38 | Mario_372 | nope |
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| 02:45:45 | Mario_372 | do i need to install? |
| 02:46:18 | jhMikeS | If rockbox hasn't been installed I don't think that |
| 02:46:31 | jhMikeS | 's relevent here. But yes, instuctions in the wiki. |
| 02:47:00 | krazykit | tatootian, there's a manual method of restoring an ipod, but you need linux or OSX (or, i suppose, dd.exe) |
| 02:47:38 | jhMikeS | Mario_372: You came here because you want rockbox on the player, right? |
| 02:47:38 | tatootian | :/ |
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| 02:50:24 | Mario_372 | i just want to get the sansa fixed where it doesnt loop the refreshing database |
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| 05:04:45 | WeaponX | song lyrics on a 5.5g 80gb ipod video, possible to view them through rockbox? |
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| 05:29:02 | cool_walking_ | WeaponX: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2372.0 |
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| 08:10:37 | mrkiko | Hi all! I'm preparing the audio file where I demonstrate how much noisy is the player's hard disk when I'm using rockbox (how much more noisy than when using the OF). Where should I send it? Should I send it at all? I think |
| 08:10:55 | mrkiko | the fact of the hard disk being noisy is important from a performance point of view - the hard disk is slower when using rockbox than the OF. |
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| 08:19:13 | LinusN | mrkiko: interesting indeed. which player is it? |
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| 08:21:33 | BrendanW | i just managed to brick my ipod :/ |
| 08:21:40 | mrkiko | LinusN: H340... |
| 08:21:41 | BrendanW | it wont even turn on. |
| 08:22:18 | BrendanW | This is my worst nightmare. :/ |
| 08:22:21 | mrkiko | BrendanW: all the people here always told me it's impossible to ruin definitely an iPod |
| 08:22:50 | BrendanW | That may be true, but not if it won't turn on for you to make any changes to it! |
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| 08:23:26 | BrendanW | all I did was reboot it after letting it run through and search my music database |
| 08:23:29 | BrendanW | now it won't turn on. no bueno. |
| 08:24:02 | mrkiko | BrendanW: I was thinking you where installing a boot-loader |
| 08:24:23 | mrkiko | If the problem occurred this way, then I may not be a firmware-related problem. |
| 08:24:38 | BrendanW | I know that, but it has worked well until then. :/ |
| 08:24:54 | BrendanW | I've never had ANY issues whatsoever. This leads me to believe it was a firmware issue. |
| 08:25:17 | LinusN | BrendanW: what happens if you connect the charger? |
| 08:25:35 | BrendanW | I'm going to go get my wall charger now, but via USB to PC, nothing. |
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| 08:26:14 | mrkiko | BrendanW: for how much years have you used rockbox |
| 08:26:43 | LinusN | BrendanW: sometimes it helps to hold Play+Select for a looooooooong time |
| 08:27:36 | Shaid | I've had to hold it for 30seconds once |
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| 08:30:09 | BrendanW | I'll try that in a moment, nothing works with the wall charger. |
| 08:30:19 | BrendanW | mrkiko: I've used it for... about 5 hours? |
| 08:31:32 | mrkiko | :) |
| 08:31:48 | BrendanW | :( |
| 08:32:08 | BrendanW | rip ipod :/ |
| 08:32:28 | Shaid | I really doubt it's RIP |
| 08:32:40 | amiconn | Plug the charger. Let it charge for a while - an hour or more. If you then still see nothing on the display, try resetting it again |
| 08:32:43 | mrkiko | what actually "RIP" means? |
| 08:32:53 | Shaid | mrkiko: rest in peace |
| 08:33:10 | mrkiko | :) |
| 08:33:20 | mrkiko | BrendanW: what iPod do you have? |
| 08:33:51 | amiconn | As mentioned, it *is* practically impossible to brick an ipod |
| 08:33:58 | BrendanW | I have a 5.5g Video. It was fully charged when I held Play to restart it, and it wouldn't boot up. |
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| 08:35:03 | mrkiko | amiconn: if I happen to have an iPod i will demonstrate that it's not so impossible :) |
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| 08:35:33 | mrkiko | and I know I will do it unvoluntarily |
| 08:35:35 | mrkiko | :) |
| 08:36:00 | amiconn | mrkiko: Of course you can damage it physically - that I wouldn't call bricking though |
| 08:36:29 | mrkiko | :) |
| 08:36:49 | BrendanW | Mine is 100% fine physically. No damage whatsoever. Eek! |
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| 08:36:52 | mrkiko | No... I was talking about a "software bricking" |
| 08:37:19 | mrkiko | I was told that aniway the iRiver H3x0 serie is the eaasiest to brick |
| 08:37:46 | mrkiko | BrendanW: aniway an electrical damage may be possible. |
| 08:37:55 | dberg918 | Hi, I'm looking to gain write access for the wiki, I have a WPS I wanted to share with the community |
| 08:38:16 | * | jhMikeS had that happen a couple times and fiddled around and somehow brought it back |
| 08:38:36 | mrkiko | jhMikeS: ??? |
| 08:38:39 | dberg918 | the front page of the wiki says I needed to come here for permission... |
| 08:40:07 | jhMikeS | mrkiko: It got stuck so reset wouldn't bring it back. I think I used the hold switch or something. |
| 08:40:13 | LinusN | dberg918: wikiname? |
| 08:40:52 | dberg918 | DaveBerg |
| 08:40:59 | LinusN | hang on |
| 08:42:11 | Chronon_ | BrendanW: Did you try flicking the Hold switch on then off and then doing the reset key combination? |
| 08:42:22 | BrendanW | I did. |
| 08:42:38 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Sometimes the buttons don't want to react, it seems. Flipping the hold switch on & off once should fix that |
| 08:42:48 | Chronon_ | Have you tried putting it on a table first and then holding the keys very still for over a minute? |
| 08:43:10 | Shaid | BrendanW: You push 'Select' to turn the iPod on, not Play |
| 08:43:21 | BrendanW | Chronon_: Yeah. |
| 08:43:24 | Shaid | Select being the button in the middle |
| 08:43:32 | BrendanW | Shaid: I know, but to turn it off, I held Play. |
| 08:43:40 | LinusN | dberg918: done, happy editing! |
| 08:43:41 | Shaid | and then menu+select to reboot |
| 08:43:42 | jhMikeS | It didn't work immediately so I left it on hold for several seconds. This was all reflex so I wouldn't get blamed for breaking a device that isn't mine. |
| 08:43:54 | dberg918 | Thanks Linus :) |
| 08:44:50 | amiconn | There is one (very inlikely) case how software could _apparently_ brick an ipod, which requires opening it and disconnecting the battery for a while to bring it back to life |
| 08:45:02 | amiconn | s/inlikely/unlikely/ |
| 08:45:25 | LinusN | i once had my ipod hang so bad i couldn't reset it with the buttons, i ended up opening it and removed the battery. that solved it. |
| 08:45:37 | Shaid | I've had that happen to, Linus |
| 08:45:47 | Shaid | that voids your warranty, though |
| 08:46:07 | amiconn | This would happen if software would put the PCF into standby without setting the wake-up bits |
| 08:46:15 | jhMikeS | use a plastic card or guitar pick, not a screwdriver :) |
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| 08:46:43 | LinusN | it happened to me just by not returning from an interrupt (while i was developing the serial driver) |
| 08:51:40 | amiconn | That's strange... |
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| 08:53:15 | LinusN | amiconn: i thought so too |
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| 08:54:45 | amiconn | So far I was always able to bring any ipods back to normal with the 2-button reset (Menu+Play on 1st..3rd Gen, Menu+Select on all newer ones). Seems to be a hardware reset, except for the PCF |
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| 08:56:11 | amiconn | Sometimes it's necessary to hold the buttons quite a while (up to 30 seconds), or flip Hold on&off, then try again on the newer ones |
| 08:56:34 | disorganizer | regarding buffering of metadata and audio data: i think interleaving md and ad reading would make sense (like reading track1-md, then 1st block of track1-ad, then track2-md, then 2nd block of track1-ad, then track3-md, ....) [just for the logs] |
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| 09:02:54 | disorganizer | @nicop: i forgot to mention your name in my comment above, hope you read the logs :-) |
| 09:02:56 | * | amiconn thinks just reading stuff in order would be KISS |
| 09:03:29 | amiconn | I.e. track 1 metadata -track 1 autio - track2 metadata - track 2 audio etc |
| 09:04:18 | disorganizer | but propably loading it interleaved would be faster to fill the md-entries and speed up skipping :-) especially for those who seem to skip through tracklists often |
| 09:04:32 | disorganizer | and with large mp3 files |
| 09:04:55 | amiconn | Why do you need the metadata faster than the audio? That makes no sense |
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| 09:05:58 | amiconn | Reading in sequence causes less seeking on disk, i.e. less noise and faster access overall |
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| 09:06:38 | jhMikeS | it's possible atm to desync metadata from the currently playing track and skipping backward even moves to the next track in the wps then it moves back |
| 09:06:39 | amiconn | (with the exception of metadata located at the end of a file - a braindead concept, but some tagging formats use it) |
| 09:07:29 | disorganizer | the question is: why does playback only start if md exists? wouldnt it make more sense to start playback without md? |
| 09:07:43 | disorganizer | that way the md could be filled even when at the end of the track. |
| 09:07:52 | jhMikeS | it would also be a good idea to not open the file for metadata and then again for buffering but once instead |
| 09:08:25 | amiconn | Metadata at the end of the file could be read after the audio for all but the first track |
| 09:08:51 | disorganizer | but why do we need id3 data before playback? the display of the wps could be updated later |
| 09:09:01 | amiconn | Actually not all, but all *fully buffered* tracks except the first |
| 09:09:23 | amiconn | disorganizer: "later" in this case could mean several seconds later, which would be bad imho |
| 09:09:54 | jhMikeS | codecs require metadata to be loaded prior to decoding anyway |
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| 09:12:43 | disorganizer | under this preconditions ... i must admit that sequential reading would be best. even if skipping time goes up (i dont care about it anyways because i rarely skip). |
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| 09:28:07 | Bagderr | TowerOfRockbox is slowly becoming our best wiki page! ;-) |
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| 09:32:10 | LinusN | hehe |
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| 09:39:29 | * | Llorean added his personal tower, though a few members may be questionable for qualification. |
| 09:39:43 | scorche | naw...nothing others havent done |
| 09:40:14 | Bagderr | we'll split it into "clean" and "unclean" towels uh towers one day :-P |
| 09:40:38 | scorche | by that time, hopefully the "unclean" will be fully ported ;) |
| 09:41:12 | Bagderr | the grey area is broken units or pieces of targets that have rockbox ports... |
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| 09:41:40 | Bagderr | we need a 22 page document describing the rules! |
| 09:42:04 | * | Bagderr needs more coffee obviously |
| 09:43:16 | amiconn | Reminds me of the good, the bad and the ugly. Some linux playback framework categorises its plugins that way (gstreamer?) |
| 09:43:32 | * | petur2 noticed flight prices gone up :( delaying that date costs money... |
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| 09:49:18 | Nico_P | has there been any talk on gevaerts' proposed list of gsoc qualification tasks? |
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| 09:54:56 | markun | Nico_P: Should I also reply, not being a mentor? |
| 09:55:13 | Nico_P | markun: sure, feel free. we need ideas |
| 09:55:24 | Bagderr | indeed, mentor or not doesn't really matter |
| 09:55:36 | mrkiko | I should escape from here - going to lab... at later! |
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| 09:56:42 | Nico_P | it's not in the list but we also need a qual task for the resampler proposal |
| 09:57:06 | jhMikeS | what exactly is a qualification task? |
| 09:57:53 | scorche | LinusN: you have a PM if you didnt notice... |
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| 09:58:15 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: something neither too hard nor too easy, that should show us the level of the student and get him acquainted with our environment |
| 09:58:45 | Bagderr | and possibly help us pick one of the students that have opted for the same project |
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| 10:06:04 | markun | should I just add my own +1 0 and -1 to the scores in the email? |
| 10:06:31 | Tomkiewicz | hi, when I want to make patch and use "diff -c file1.c file2.c" i get ugly output with "!" chars instead of "+"/"-" on beginning of changed lines - what command should i use to make good patch under linux? |
| 10:06:41 | Bagderr | markun: no need for that imo, I think we should do a committers vote on them soonish |
| 10:06:52 | Nico_P | agreed |
| 10:06:55 | markun | ok |
| 10:07:14 | Bagderr | we just need some more info/details on the students (in)abilities |
| 10:07:54 | markun | Tomkiewicz: try -u |
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| 10:08:04 | petur | maybe we can ask them all to be able to build rockbox? |
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| 10:08:15 | petur | in preparation of the task that is |
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| 10:08:53 | markun | even that took my student quite a while last year :( |
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| 10:09:34 | Tomkiewicz | markun: thanks, it works :) |
| 10:09:42 | pondlife | It would be useful for them to hit the ground running. |
| 10:09:55 | pondlife | I mean, having a working build environment in place |
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| 10:10:55 | pondlife | Urgh, I just updated and now I see the bad back-skip behaviour too |
| 10:11:10 | pondlife | I thought I already had the current playback.c, but maybe not... |
| 10:12:27 | petur | do w have e-mail addresses for all students or an easy way to communicate? |
| 10:13:03 | Bagderr | petur: I can see their addresses in their applications |
| 10:13:09 | pondlife | Is there a way for non-mentors to view the applications? |
| 10:13:19 | Bagderr | pondlife: no, they're not public |
| 10:13:24 | pondlife | OK |
| 10:13:33 | petur | Bagderr: I figure we need a fast way of communicating because there is little time |
| 10:13:44 | gevaerts | pondlife: The webapp has lots of bugs, so I guess there is a way in. |
| 10:13:49 | pondlife | :) |
| 10:14:05 | pondlife | I don't have time to hack on Rockbox, less still on Google |
| 10:16:21 | Bagderr | if it helps, I can extract the addresses and hand over |
| 10:16:48 | Bagderr | at least those for which gevaerts have qualification tasks I think we should mail them out and see |
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| 10:18:55 | jhMikeS | pondlife: it goes back by making sure it went forward far enough first? :p |
| 10:20:11 | pondlife | Very possibly ;) |
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| 10:21:13 | Topic | "Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DevCon2008 - Updated - see Dev ML and edit the individual pages! | Rah rah rah! Summer of Code!" by scorche (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
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| 10:22:17 | * | gevaerts reads the logs, and reports that he also has had to remove the battery from his iPod. That's what you get from playing with PCF settings... |
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| 10:34:56 | * | petur waits for gevaerts to release DevConEuro2008 |
| 10:35:30 | Bagderr | how's 6-8th of June? |
| 10:35:32 | * | gevaerts has released DevConEuro2008 |
| 10:36:34 | petur | Bagderr: too close to the coming of our baby :/ |
| 10:37:01 | JdGordon | petur: tell her to stick a cork in it then.... |
| 10:37:09 | Bagderr | oh... |
| 10:39:08 | Bagderr | the 6th is a national holiday here so the office is empty that friday |
| 10:39:33 | petur | then again, if the majority selects the date, I guess I'll live with it |
| 10:40:08 | * | petur will ask wife to start jumping up/down somewhere mid-may |
| 10:40:40 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:42:34 | * | gevaerts suggests an extremely novel idea : if it's not on a 'friday-is-a-holiday' weekend, we could actually go and see the sights then |
| 10:42:56 | Bagderr | haha, yeah |
| 10:43:11 | * | pondlife is probably not going to make it...:/ |
| 10:43:19 | pondlife | Based on these dates, I mean. |
| 10:44:19 | * | gevaerts accuses pondlife of not following scorche's formatting rules |
| 10:44:31 | pondlife | Rules?... |
| 10:44:41 | pondlife | Oopw |
| 10:44:45 | pondlife | Oops oops |
| 10:46:35 | * | petur notes that his timing comment was there before the formatting rule |
| 10:48:52 | pondlife | Hmm, it's much easier for me to only list dates I can make |
| 10:49:08 | pondlife | This is going to be a long list of weekends.... |
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| 10:50:49 | * | petur wonders if mid-may would be an option as a date or if that gives problems for students |
| 10:51:33 | scorche | too early for travel costs |
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| 10:54:27 | pondlife | OK, hopefully that's formatted better.. apologies for the use of "perhaps" |
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| 10:56:08 | LinusN | pondlife: does that mean that you could perhaps attend if it was June 6-8? |
| 10:56:37 | pondlife | I suspect not.. I just removed that as I don't know for sure and it's not in my control. |
| 10:57:06 | pondlife | Wouldn't want to lose anyone else on my behalf, but there's a small chance. |
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| 10:58:34 | ze | working out workable schedules between people would be so much easier if we all had our own personal relativistic temporal distortion controls enabling someone to go experience a months worth of time in 1 normal day and vice versa as convenient... |
| 10:58:35 | pondlife | LinusN: I guess if it can't be end of July then that would be my next preference. |
| 10:58:53 | LinusN | ok |
| 10:59:23 | pondlife | ze: If we all had that, then Rockbox would get finished and we wouldn't need DevCons :) |
| 10:59:28 | LinusN | ze: maybe an idea for a plugin? :-P |
| 10:59:43 | ze | LinusN: heh :p |
| 10:59:44 | pondlife | Surely the 'beast is powerful enough |
| 10:59:57 | ze | pondlife: finished in what kind of timeframe though? |
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| 11:00:13 | pondlife | That depends on how you're measuring |
| 11:00:31 | pondlife | Anyway, gotta work now, thanks to lack of temporal control |
| 11:00:34 | ze | something would still take just as long for you to do, even if you chose to do a months worth in a day... still be a month to you |
| 11:00:55 | pondlife | I'd probably be very old... or rather even older |
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| 11:02:03 | ze | you could leverage in such a way that it averages out... stretch your time for a deadline, then skip a boring year :p |
| 11:02:21 | pondlife | I doubt it... I never have anything but deadlines |
| 11:02:54 | jhMikeS | think of them as lifelines ;D |
| 11:02:58 | * | pondlife fears it is his fate to always be a paving stone in every critical path |
| 11:02:58 | * | scorche schedules a deadline in pondlife's notebook for devcon |
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| 11:06:19 | pondlife | Heathrow to Stockholm is cheaper than I remember.. £99-£126 |
| 11:06:55 | * | scorche envies the price |
| 11:07:14 | pondlife | scorche: Where are you flying from? |
| 11:07:24 | scorche | west coast, USA |
| 11:07:51 | mrkiko | Is the boot-loader creation one of the most difficult task for a port? |
| 11:08:01 | petur | pondlife: I hpe that is b=not BA, or that they have terminal 5 fixed by then ;) |
| 11:08:01 | pondlife | scorche: Any particular airport, or is that the name of one? |
| 11:08:10 | scorche | pondlife: likely LAX |
| 11:08:12 | pondlife | hehe, I travel light |
| 11:08:38 | pondlife | And, it's Scandinavian Airlines - http://www.cheapflights.co.uk/flights/Stockholm/London-Area/ |
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| 11:08:44 | Bagderr | mrkiko: no, but figuring out all the details to actually be able to do the bootloader is! |
| 11:08:48 | scorche | although i might have to make a matrix of A to B flights versus A to C to D to E to B flights |
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| 11:33:46 | Lynx_ | have you guys considered www.doodle.ch for date planning? that usually works rather well. |
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| 11:41:12 | Lynx_ | The D2 port seems to be progressing rather well, which is nice. I wondered if there is any general idea yet on how to support the touch screen? |
| 11:41:59 | JdGordon | there are 2 sets of ideas |
| 11:42:00 | Bagderr | i believe it supported in a rough way already, by splitting the screen in a few areas and treating each area as a single button |
| 11:42:19 | * | amiconn would like some comments on his firmware-level target-specific indicator handling idea |
| 11:42:30 | JdGordon | that idea, and the one where you actually click elemnts on the screen |
| 11:42:50 | Bagderr | I think we might end up wanting both |
| 11:43:01 | JdGordon | probably |
| 11:43:03 | pondlife | amiconn: Where do you describe that? |
| 11:43:15 | Bagderr | amiconn: "indicator handling" ? |
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| 11:44:37 | amiconn | Bagder: Yes. The icons (outside the main display area) on archos Player, the software controllable ata led on archos, the charging led(s) on X5 and M5,. and the charging, ata, and multi-colour status leds on M3 |
| 11:45:04 | JdGordon | also the mrobe remotes have indicator icons also |
| 11:45:09 | amiconn | My idea was to move this into firmware + target tree, and have the apps just call little functions to set them |
| 11:45:33 | amiconn | On targets not having a special way to indicate this or that state, they would collapse to empty macros |
| 11:45:53 | Bagderr | amiconn: I'm perfectly fine with that approach! |
| 11:46:04 | JdGordon | amiconn: a seperate function for each indicator? |
| 11:46:42 | amiconn | A function for each type of indication (battery, charging state, general state (like playback (+paused), fm radio etc) |
| 11:46:59 | amiconn | ...with enum values specifying what to set them to |
| 11:47:18 | LinusN | sounds like a good idea |
| 11:47:23 | JdGordon | how about a single set function which takes a enum value for the indicator and a value for it? |
| 11:47:32 | JdGordon | set(HDD, 1) |
| 11:47:48 | JdGordon | actually... |
| 11:47:49 | pondlife | Would this be synced with the WPS conditionals somehow? I guess not.. |
| 11:47:51 | * | JdGordon shuts up |
| 11:48:10 | * | JdGordon rereads and notices you said unused ones would be macroed out |
| 11:48:17 | JdGordon | .. not ifdeff |
| 11:49:32 | amiconn | It would be handled at firmware level as much as possible. E.g. battery and charging can completely be handled there |
| 11:49:54 | Lynx_ | JdGordon: for clicking elements on the screen i guess the whole display would have to be somewhat different for the D2 then? |
| 11:50:05 | amiconn | The status bar code would be independent of that (but could query it in turn if desired) |
| 11:50:51 | Bagderr | Lynx_: the OF of the D2 pops up "buttons" on top of the GUI that you can tap on that works like buttons |
| 11:50:56 | Bagderr | rockbox could do that as well |
| 11:51:05 | JdGordon | Lynx_: depends.... atm there is working touchpad code for the list which can ahdnle any size screen as long as its rctangle... but we may end up going for a grid layout for the touchpads which would be completly different to non touchpads |
| 11:51:22 | Lynx_ | Bagder: i know, i have one. this has the disadvantage of clicking twice for everything, though |
| 11:51:29 | Bagderr | indeed |
| 11:51:47 | Bagderr | at least from a "black" state |
| 11:52:52 | Lynx_ | Bagder: well, also from a normal state, assuming the buttons are not always present and cover some filebrowser or wps or whatever. that's how the OF does it. |
| 11:53:59 | JdGordon | Lynx_: if you compile the mrobe500 sim youll be able to see how it works in rockbox atm... the d2 sim might work also, havnt tried it there |
| 11:54:04 | JdGordon | use the mouse to "touch" |
| 11:55:46 | Lynx_ | JdGordon: ok, i may try that when i get around to it, thanks |
| 11:56:29 | Lynx_ | actually after using the D2 for a few weeks now the verdict on the touchscreen changed from 'pretty cool' to 'no so great', as the single input system anyway |
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| 12:01:28 | Bagderr | hm yeah but comparing with the M6 I'm not sure which is worst ;-/ |
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| 12:04:27 | preglow | anyone heard anything about 16 gb d2s? |
| 12:04:47 | Bagderr | there are cheap 8GB SD cards ;-) |
| 12:05:15 | Bagderr | the 16GB ones not being so cheap yet |
| 12:06:29 | preglow | i think linuxstb mentioned some rumours about a 16 gig d2, but i don' think i can be bothered to wait anyway |
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| 12:43:29 | webguest35 | does rockbox support UTF 8 or UTF 16 ? |
| 12:44:20 | markun | both |
| 12:45:15 | webguest35 | thnaks, because Foobar V9 up writes RG to ID3 tags in UTF16 only, great that rockbox can read it |
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| 12:47:14 | gevaerts | markun: is utf16 supported ? It's not in the Default Codepage list |
| 12:49:19 | markun | gevaerts: well, we support UTF-16 encoding in id3v2 |
| 12:50:05 | * | gevaerts bows to superior knowledge and goes back to eating his noodles |
| 12:50:10 | webguest35 | if UTF16 isn't included it might explain why some albums are louder than others, as I RG'd 90% of my collection with Foobar v8 (which has a ISO setting), and the rest with Foobar v9, |
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| 12:52:31 | markun | webguest35: you can check if the RG values are set in the context menu of the WPS |
| 12:52:40 | markun | if they are not set correctly they should be fixed |
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| 12:57:08 | webguest35 | markun, the RG values appear in track info,soI guess that all is OK |
| 12:57:31 | markun | good |
| 12:58:05 | webguest35 | thanks |
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| 13:29:44 | Bagderr | any chance jhMikeS or preglow feels like mentoring? "high quality resampler" seems like your area... |
| 13:31:57 | * | JdGordon puts his hand up for one of the RaaA apps, but tihnks others have more of an idea what they want for that than me |
| 13:32:45 | Bagderr | there's only one "real" RaaA, the other is more like a weird dream :-/ |
| 13:33:22 | JdGordon | linuxstb: Llorean: either of you particularly want to mentor that? |
| 13:33:56 | Bagderr | perhaps linuxstb would consider a codec app? |
| 13:34:35 | dionoea | Did lh give the first slot number estimates? |
| 13:35:20 | Bagderr | I don't think so |
| 13:36:13 | dionoea | Ah ok ... I would have though that you'd wait for the slot estimates before assigning mentors :) |
| 13:36:20 | markun | what's RaaA? |
| 13:36:28 | Bagderr | dionoea: not at all |
| 13:36:37 | gevaerts | markun: R as an A :) |
| 13:36:38 | Bagderr | it's better to have assigned mentors now |
| 13:36:47 | dionoea | If you say so :) |
| 13:36:54 | Bagderr | and then we can sort the ones with mentors in the right order |
| 13:36:56 | Bagderr | and ignore the rest |
| 13:37:22 | markun | gevaerts: did you list of students also contain the "weird dream" ones? |
| 13:37:30 | Bagderr | meeting |
| 13:37:36 | markun | you -> your |
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| 13:38:52 | gevaerts | markun: I don't think so. It might be a bit outdated with the last minute applications though |
| 13:39:07 | gevaerts | Estimates seem to be there now |
| 13:39:09 | markun | was the ipod classic proposal serious? |
| 13:39:45 | gevaerts | Not in my view |
| 13:40:25 | JdGordon | can we change our evaluations? |
| 13:40:48 | gevaerts | JdGordon: you can add new evaluations I believe, so you can balance them out |
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| 13:42:56 | preglow | Bagderr: indeed, but i can't really guarantee that i'll have enough time for doing a proper job this summer |
| 13:43:10 | preglow | i'd rather not replay last years half-arsed mentoring |
| 13:43:59 | preglow | also, i think making a new resampler might be kind of a small task for an entire summer of work, unless it also entails optimizing it |
| 13:44:28 | preglow | perhaps time-stretching/pitch-shifting can also be included in the project |
| 13:45:36 | markun | preglow: do you think the speex resampler is worth looking at? |
| 13:45:42 | preglow | yes |
| 13:45:54 | preglow | evaluating different designs will surely be part of the project |
| 13:46:07 | preglow | but yes, this is right up my area of expertise, so i probably should mentor in some capacity |
| 13:46:53 | linuxstb | I'm happy to mentor a RealAudio codec - I've already done a little work on a RealAudio container parser suitable for Rockbox... |
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| 13:56:19 | LinusN | we should assign the RFID project back to google |
| 13:56:49 | LinusN | i'm doing that now |
| 13:57:39 | markun | RFID and rockbox? |
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| 13:58:04 | preglow | we want to implant rfid chips in rockbox users |
| 13:58:10 | preglow | for "statistical" purposes |
| 13:58:12 | markun | ;) |
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| 14:08:20 | Bagderr | mcuelenaere strikes |
| 14:08:41 | JdGordon | ba buuum! |
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| 14:09:18 | Cookster | question: Have they started working on 2nd Gen Ipod Nano yet? Because my friend told me about the website today and I checked it out and the site said they didn't support Ipod Nano 2nd Generation, can anybody give me any answers? |
| 14:09:27 | mcuelenaere | Bagderr: first gotta fix yellow ;) |
| 14:09:28 | preglow | Cookster: no support for 2nd gen nano |
| 14:09:34 | preglow | no work being done either, afaik |
| 14:09:38 | dionoea | "they" ? |
| 14:09:46 | pondlife | Cookster: You are free to work on it if you want, of course :) |
| 14:09:47 | Bagderr | mcuelenaere: yay! ;-) |
| 14:10:02 | Bagderr | Cookster: rockbox are us, we, you and I, not "they" ;-) |
| 14:10:23 | Cookster | nah I was just wondering, no thanks, still have schooling to do, and ya didn't know |
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| 14:16:00 | * | amiconn wonders what mcuelenaere is doing... |
| 14:16:33 | pondlife | I wasn't quite sure why this should affect the Archos build... :) |
| 14:17:13 | mcuelenaere | damn, my first commit and all I get is yellow.. |
| 14:17:16 | amiconn | It's an addition to scramble |
| 14:17:35 | * | preglow panics and runs around in circls |
| 14:17:47 | pondlife | We have scramble for sims now? :) |
| 14:17:58 | JdGordon | sims build the tools |
| 14:18:09 | pondlife | I know, just joking |
| 14:18:12 | amiconn | mcuelenaere: That is what makes me wonder - you should get these warnings locally, independent of what target you build for... |
| 14:18:23 | JdGordon | didnt someone offer to fix the MAkefile stuff? |
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| 14:22:16 | markun | there he goes :) |
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| 14:22:28 | Bagderr | fix what makefile stuff? |
| 14:22:41 | Bagderr | I thought most of what we have in the build system is Makefile stuff... |
| 14:22:46 | mcuelenaere | sorry, I'm back |
| 14:22:53 | mcuelenaere | amiconn: that's the problem, apparantly my compiler isn't strict enough? |
| 14:23:45 | Bagderr | mcuelenaere: what's your native gcc version? |
| 14:23:57 | amiconn | Bagder: There are numerous broken dependencies... |
| 14:24:06 | Bagderr | yes |
| 14:24:08 | preglow | Bagderr: had any chance to play with the d2? |
| 14:24:22 | Bagderr | preglow: it's playing OF music right now |
| 14:24:38 | preglow | Bagderr: any impressions |
| 14:24:39 | preglow | ? |
| 14:24:47 | preglow | i'm going to bloody slaughter this keyboard |
| 14:24:50 | preglow | man, does it suck rod |
| 14:24:54 | mcuelenaere | Bagderr: gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13) |
| 14:25:12 | Bagderr | mcuelenaere: that that's the explanation, 4.x presents more warnings |
| 14:25:21 | Bagderr | and all the yellows in the tables are 4.x |
| 14:25:41 | Bagderr | preglow: seems to be a pretty decent OF |
| 14:25:53 | Bagderr | touch screen of course having its own set of issues |
| 14:26:06 | Bagderr | but I think they've solved it decently |
| 14:26:48 | mcuelenaere | Bagderr: I'm using the most recent Rockbox VMWare image, I don't suppose this makes upgrading to GCC 4 possible without compiling it? |
| 14:27:05 | Bagderr | I bet you can apt-get install gcc-4.2 |
| 14:27:13 | Bagderr | or even 4.3 |
| 14:27:45 | mcuelenaere | only problem is that half my system gets upgraded then |
| 14:27:53 | mcuelenaere | and the last time I tried this, it didn't worked |
| 14:27:57 | Bagderr | oh |
| 14:28:06 | mcuelenaere | so that's why I'm hesitant to try.. |
| 14:28:23 | amiconn | There is more than one vmware image. Afaik the first one is still built based on oldish debian 3.1 ... |
| 14:29:24 | mcuelenaere | hmm is http://mikachu.rockbox.org/Debian-4.7z up to date? |
| 14:29:37 | mcuelenaere | I think I got that one |
| 14:29:59 | Bagderr | http://download.rockbox.org/vmware/ |
| 14:30:39 | Bagderr | mcuelenaere: want me to fix the yellow? |
| 14:31:42 | * | Bagderr doesn't know much about the vmware image, but uses real native linux |
| 14:32:01 | mcuelenaere | Bagderr: go ahead, in the mean while I'll try downloading gcc 4 and compile it |
| 14:32:33 | * | mcuelenaere gots native linux too, but is most on the time on WinVista because he hasn't migrated yet :( |
| 14:32:44 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: if you run apt-get install gcc-4.2 you can see what it will do before pressing Y |
| 14:33:03 | mcuelenaere | I know, and it wants to upgrade quite some stuff |
| 14:33:53 | * | gevaerts has gcc 2.95, 3.3, 4.1, 4.2 and 4.3 installed |
| 14:34:07 | Bagderr | I recall someone else having the same or similar probs with the vmware image |
| 14:34:57 | Bagderr | gevaerts: 3.4! |
| 14:34:59 | Bagderr | :-) |
| 14:35:23 | Bagderr | (being the last in the 3.x series it makes some sense actually) |
| 14:36:17 | Bagderr | mcuelenaere: how's the state for bootloader/sim/normal builds for zvm? closing in to getting added to the build table? |
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| 14:37:06 | mcuelenaere | Sim: not done |
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| 14:37:12 | mcuelenaere | Normal & Boot are compiling |
| 14:37:27 | mcuelenaere | But atm bootloader/creativezvm.c is just a playground of code |
| 14:37:34 | mcuelenaere | got to be sorted out a bit :) |
| 14:37:57 | mcuelenaere | and for the moment I'm only working on the USB driver, because that's a blocker |
| 14:38:04 | Bagderr | ok, well there's no hurry me just curious |
| 14:38:21 | mcuelenaere | damn VMware runned out of space |
| 14:39:06 | mcuelenaere | the builds could be added to the table, they are more or less usable |
| 14:39:12 | mcuelenaere | but it isn't really needed |
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| 14:39:30 | linuxstb | I see some of the SoC applications haven't had a reponse from the student for a while - should we "ping" them to see if they're still interested? |
| 14:40:20 | Bagderr | mcuelenaere: the main point with adding them to the table is to make sure they remain green/building fine |
| 14:40:46 | Bagderr | and first when it makes sense we provide downloadable zips |
| 14:40:47 | mcuelenaere | ah, well they aren't really green atm ;) |
| 14:41:08 | Bagderr | early ports tend to be a bit on the yellow side... |
| 14:41:19 | mcuelenaere | indeed :) |
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| 14:43:11 | Bagderr | linuxstb: I think we should, at least for projects we're still interested in... |
| 14:43:17 | kugel | The http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html link on the front page made my pc crash |
| 14:43:37 | LinusN | wow |
| 14:43:37 | kugel | And again, after I tried it for a second time |
| 14:43:54 | Bagderr | kugel: time to upgrade that OS of yours |
| 14:44:01 | kugel | Yesterday there wasn't such a thing |
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| 14:44:09 | Tuplanolla | at least it's a bit longer than yesterday :P |
| 14:44:19 | LinusN | Bagderr: the iaudio m3 sim is still yellow |
| 14:44:22 | kugel | Bagderr: My OS is latest version, too latest probably |
| 14:44:43 | kugel | Bagderr: Is that known for old OSes? |
| 14:45:11 | kugel | Anyway, yesterday it worked, weird. A link should crash my box |
| 14:45:14 | Bagderr | LinusN: oh how... strange |
| 14:45:22 | LinusN | 64-bit host? |
| 14:45:39 | Bagderr | kugel: no, but if you can crash your OS with a link in a web page it is crap |
| 14:46:15 | Bagderr | hm I bet it is (64 bit) |
| 14:46:18 | gevaerts | Bagderr: fixed ;) |
| 14:46:27 | kugel | My OS is ubuntu 8.04 (latest updates) with FF3.0b5 |
| 14:46:32 | Bagderr | gevaerts: goodie |
| 14:46:50 | Tuplanolla | kugel: maybe it is just that you run alpha |
| 14:46:52 | Tuplanolla | eww, beta |
| 14:47:00 | kugel | Bagderr: Is it crap when it worked until today? |
| 14:47:28 | Bagderr | kugel: an OS that crashes due to a user-land browser misbehaving is crap |
| 14:47:32 | Bagderr | by definition |
| 14:47:44 | Bagderr | can anyone disagree to that? |
| 14:48:06 | LinusN | i can't |
| 14:48:15 | * | JdGordon can |
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| 14:48:22 | * | JdGordon can argue with anyone about anything :D |
| 14:48:24 | kugel | JdGordon: Did you read the logs? |
| 14:48:32 | * | linuxstb assumes Rockbox isn't an OS |
| 14:48:36 | JdGordon | kugel: yeah, you missed me by 10 min :p |
| 14:48:47 | kugel | meh |
| 14:48:52 | * | JdGordon forgot the question though |
| 14:49:03 | Bagderr | well an OS without memory protection is a bit more fragile of course and goes under other rules |
| 14:49:06 | * | moos point Protagoras and Gorgias to JdGordon ;P |
| 14:49:11 | kugel | JdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080409#00:52:00 |
| 14:49:41 | JdGordon | the parent is the viewport to draw the list in |
| 14:49:44 | kugel | Bagderr: I guess they removed the memory protection yesterday in that case |
| 14:50:03 | JdGordon | your vp patch should be chaning that viewport instead of it being passed as NULL |
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| 14:50:21 | kugel | JdGordon: There are two parents, no? |
| 14:50:28 | JdGordon | no |
| 14:50:31 | JdGordon | only one |
| 14:50:38 | kugel | synclist has a parent vp too |
| 14:50:43 | | Part amdgoon |
| 14:50:55 | JdGordon | yeah, those names should maybe be fixed |
| 14:51:21 | JdGordon | the parent passed in is the one that gets drawn to... the parent in synclist struct is either the pased parent or the default one |
| 14:51:29 | JdGordon | its the pointer to whats actually being used |
| 14:52:10 | JdGordon | which target had the same dsp as the mr500? |
| 14:53:11 | mcuelenaere | Creative ZVM |
| 14:53:20 | kugel | JdGordon: Ok, anyway, I played a bit with parent editing. I get a weird behavior: The main menu updates the rest of the screen properly, the file tree not. Note that the main menu only updates properly after changing the display->update_viewport(); stuff a bit at the end of list_draw |
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| 14:53:33 | mcuelenaere | JdGordon: and ZVW, Zen Vision, ZVM 60GB |
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| 14:54:47 | kugel | JdGordon: The not-updating parts were the main reason I used a second viewport |
| 14:55:46 | JdGordon | mcuelenaere: is eigimas patch on the tracker to play audio on the mr500 usefull at all to you/those ports? |
| 14:55:58 | JdGordon | kugel: thats expected... the file browser doesnt set the parent yet |
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| 14:56:21 | NewGirl | HI all I have an hopefully easy question? |
| 14:56:31 | kugel | JdGordon: Yea, I noticed that. tree.c passes NULL instead of a vp |
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| 14:57:07 | kugel | JdGordon: However, I'd expect that your list vp commit made all lists using vp properly |
| 14:57:09 | mcuelenaere | JdGordon: yes, I believe so. But I haven't tested it yet, but it should be compatible |
| 14:58:10 | linuxstb | NewGirl: Just ask... |
| 14:58:16 | NewGirl | if I want to add music manually to my Ipod where would I put the files? |
| 14:58:40 | linuxstb | Anywhere you want to. Most people create a top-level "Music" folder, and organise the files under there. |
| 14:59:03 | NewGirl | do I put them in the same directory that Ipod places them? |
| 14:59:06 | NewGirl | do I put them in the same directory that Ipod places them? |
| 14:59:43 | krazykit | NewGirl, if you want that, you have to use itunes or another program that manipulates the itunesDB, like ephpod or similar programs. |
| 14:59:44 | GodEater | NewGirl: you can, but you don't HAVE to |
| 14:59:54 | NewGirl | and RockBox will be able to find the files there or anywhere? |
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| 15:00:04 | GodEater | NewGirl: correct |
| 15:00:17 | NewGirl | sweet! |
| 15:00:44 | kugel | JdGordon: I needed to change the viewport updating in bitmap/list.c to |
| 15:00:46 | kugel | display->set_viewport(NULL); |
| 15:00:48 | kugel | display->update_viewport(); |
| 15:00:49 | kugel | in order to make the main menu update properly |
| 15:00:49 | NewGirl | I'm trying to get away from using IckeyTunes. |
| 15:02:50 | NewGirl | Thank you krazykit, GodEater and linuxstb for the help! |
| 15:03:07 | NewGirl | byebye all |
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| 15:05:52 | * | Bagderr considers enabling -W -Wall for the tool builds |
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| 15:08:24 | Bagderr | better fix a few more warnings first |
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| 15:09:48 | JdGordon | do the archos sims have sound? |
| 15:10:19 | * | JdGordon gets his answer from SOURCES |
| 15:10:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | JdGordon: Nope. |
| 15:14:05 | LinusN | the archos sims once had sound, using libmad |
| 15:15:24 | amiconn | When was that?? |
| 15:15:32 | * | LambdaCalculus37 doesn't remember that |
| 15:15:34 | Bagderr | back in the x11 days |
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| 15:16:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | No wonder I don't remember that... :) |
| 15:16:06 | * | amiconn doesn't remember that at all, and he does know the separate x11/win32 sims... |
| 15:16:21 | Bagderr | but afaik it was only a patch that never got in for real |
| 15:16:53 | Bagderr | it's hard to remember 130 years back in time... |
| 15:16:55 | LinusN | i think it got in, but you had to build libmad yourself |
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| 15:17:14 | LinusN | and uncomment a few lines in the simulator code |
| 15:17:16 | * | linuxstb has a very faint recollection of working on that |
| 15:17:20 | Bagderr | of course svn has the truths somewhere in there |
| 15:17:32 | LinusN | it's probably in the attic |
| 15:18:14 | LinusN | amiconn: is the warning in button-m3.c hard to get rid of? |
| 15:18:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | In a box covered by dust and spiders... |
| 15:18:17 | * | pondlife suspects that adding audio to the Archos sims isn't the best way to start unification.... |
| 15:18:33 | amiconn | LinusN: Not very, but I rather want to rearrange code |
| 15:18:38 | LinusN | i see |
| 15:19:03 | amiconn | The remote detection (plus remote type for irivers) is more a button thing than an lcd thing if you ask me |
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| 15:19:49 | pondlife | JdGordon: Is it "eigima" or "eigma" ? |
| 15:20:04 | JdGordon | umm |
| 15:20:15 | Bagderr | the M3 sim warnings vanished at least |
| 15:20:32 | Bagderr | they were accurate but funnily only detected by that single host |
| 15:20:38 | JdGordon | pondlife: -i i think |
| 15:20:57 | pondlife | I'll let you correct it... :) |
| 15:21:41 | LinusN | amiconn: true |
| 15:22:08 | pondlife | Quick question on cast syntax: Is "x = (int)y" C whereas "x = int(y)" C++ ? |
| 15:22:41 | * | LambdaCalculus37 checks his C books |
| 15:22:47 | * | pondlife has no C books |
| 15:23:23 | Bagderr | do they do int() in C++? |
| 15:23:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: "x = (int)y" is C, according to K&R. |
| 15:24:05 | pondlife | Yep, I think so... I would have used "len < size_t(length)" at work... |
| 15:24:19 | Bagderr | C++ is weird |
| 15:24:36 | LinusN | what a funny way to pollute the namespace |
| 15:24:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | I tried using C++... my verdict: I like C better. |
| 15:24:44 | * | LambdaCalculus37 is glad Rockbox is coded in C |
| 15:25:39 | LinusN | hmmm, when i think of it, that wouldn't matter |
| 15:26:17 | pondlife | I always though the cast syntax was a bit odd when I came new to C. |
| 15:26:38 | pondlife | It still looks like a confused function to me, to be honest. |
| 15:26:40 | Bagderr | 6 projects now have at least temporary mentors |
| 15:27:14 | preglow | int(x) is c++ |
| 15:27:23 | Bagderr | well, a cast is not a function in my head so I think it makes it more confusing to make it look like it |
| 15:27:35 | * | pondlife rearranges his head |
| 15:27:37 | preglow | well, you can also do static_cast<int>(x) :P |
| 15:27:44 | LinusN | pondlife: still, i prefer when casts don't look like functions |
| 15:27:47 | Bagderr | and my head is the RIGHT head! |
| 15:27:47 | pondlife | Urgh,,, the curse of the <> |
| 15:27:55 | * | preglow cuddles templates |
| 15:28:08 | pondlife | I can cope with C++ as long as there's no templates |
| 15:28:15 | pondlife | Prefer C though |
| 15:28:19 | preglow | then there's also reinterpret_cast, const_cast, dynamic_cast. c++ does have its casts |
| 15:28:41 | preglow | i can cope with c++ just fine, but template use should stay simple |
| 15:28:44 | preglow | things can get hairy very fast |
| 15:28:47 | preglow | they sure do beat macros |
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| 15:29:14 | Bagderr | "the most recent build took 4mins 38secs" ! |
| 15:29:15 | * | pondlife agrees, then tries to add a menuitem |
| 15:29:28 | Bagderr | tha's 76 really fast builds... |
| 15:29:33 | pondlife | Bagderr: Is that a record? |
| 15:29:47 | pondlife | I mean, per build, of course |
| 15:29:55 | Bagderr | I've not seen anything faster on 76 builds at least |
| 15:30:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | Then it goes in the record books! |
| 15:30:20 | * | LambdaCalculus37 writes in the new record for fastest builds |
| 15:30:30 | pondlife | femlab.bme.duke.edu did a good job.. |
| 15:30:30 | Bagderr | 3.6 seconds per build |
| 15:30:55 | LinusN | that's downright amazing |
| 15:31:19 | preglow | what is our policy on which wpses to bundle? do we just bundle everything that's in svn? |
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| 15:31:53 | Bagderr | we bundle what the script thinks fit, which basicallty is what's in svn |
| 15:32:32 | Bagderr | but I think we're not really going for adding many more to svn |
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| 15:36:38 | Bagderr | imho, one of the document viewer projects could be worth trying |
| 15:36:51 | Bagderr | there being three different applications |
| 15:37:32 | Bagderr | (switches subjects invisibly and fast to keep readers on their toes) |
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| 15:41:33 | * | preglow can't see the actual applications |
| 15:41:54 | Bagderr | only mentors can |
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| 15:44:33 | mcuelenaere | does the newer VMware image contains linux kernel 2.6? |
| 15:44:52 | Bagderr | wow, it's not even 2.6? |
| 15:45:07 | mcuelenaere | no :) |
| 15:45:18 | mcuelenaere | and that prevents apt-get from installing libc |
| 15:45:27 | mcuelenaere | but I can't apt-get linux kernel 2.6 either :( |
| 15:45:29 | pondlife | This sounds horribly familiar... |
| 15:45:54 | pondlife | I tried repeatedly to get a VMWare image up to date, gave up in the end and used one GodEater made |
| 15:46:17 | pondlife | But mainly through lack of clue and time |
| 15:46:31 | pondlife | (and that apt-get kept killing my OS) |
| 15:46:45 | mcuelenaere | I think I'm just going to switch to native linux, these vmware images aren't worth the effort |
| 15:47:10 | pondlife | I'd have had the same problems natively I expect... |
| 15:47:26 | pondlife | Were I starting with that same machine |
| 15:47:49 | mcuelenaere | you mean with the same debian image? |
| 15:48:11 | pondlife | Yes. I would still have no clue :) |
| 15:48:32 | mcuelenaere | well, I don't need to care about the debian installation; as I have openSuse already installed :) |
| 15:48:36 | pondlife | Give me a root password and I shall destroy your OS! |
| 15:48:40 | mcuelenaere | :p |
| 15:49:11 | pondlife | I just assumed (incorrectly) that apt-get would magically work. It never did |
| 15:49:36 | Bagderr | that vmware image must be cursed somehow |
| 15:49:45 | pondlife | No idea what libs it updated, but I always ended up with many many errors |
| 15:50:16 | pondlife | GodEater's image is nice though, but not hosted anywhere AFAIK |
| 15:51:08 | mcuelenaere | allright, I'm going to reboot into linux |
| 15:51:11 | mcuelenaere | see you in a sec |
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| 15:52:11 | * | linuxstb just notices that our SoC applications now span two pages... |
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| 16:02:14 | mcuelenaere | should rockboxdev.sh work besides in the vmware image? |
| 16:02:22 | Bagderr | yes |
| 16:02:41 | Bagderr | if not, you probably lack some required package |
| 16:03:05 | mcuelenaere | I'm just about to download some packages |
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| 16:03:46 | GodEater | pondlife: I think the image is still on humyo where you got it from |
| 16:04:12 | pondlife | Maybe it should be put on the wiki? |
| 16:04:17 | GodEater | I can't check now though, as "Personal network storage and backup sites are blocked by WebSense" |
| 16:04:27 | GodEater | I thought you couldn't make it work ? |
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| 16:04:57 | pondlife | No, I could make it build, but by the time I got networking working I realised my poor PC was far too slow to donate |
| 16:05:13 | GodEater | oh - what did you do to make the network work in the end then ? |
| 16:05:18 | pondlife | Or maybe I never got networking working... can't remember |
| 16:05:20 | GodEater | this is news to me! |
| 16:05:35 | pondlife | I just assumed my PC is a bag of shit |
| 16:05:51 | GodEater | not that it sounded like one though I assume? Unless running the Rockbox simulator counts ? |
| 16:06:51 | pondlife | Well, I did run the sim, and even then it didn't sound like one |
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| 16:11:24 | moos | GodEater, pondlife: link please? |
| 16:11:39 | pondlife | Sorry, I didn't keep the link... |
| 16:13:55 | moos | np |
| 16:15:18 | moos | what are differences with the shared version? what GodEater did cook? :) |
| 16:15:57 | GodEater | moos, it's a Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon based image, although I ditched Gnome in favour of a slightly lighter WM. |
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| 16:17:22 | moos | GodEater: Oh ok, thx. |
| 16:19:24 | preglow | Bagderr: i would be willing to be assigned as mentor for the resampling thing, but i would really like some assistance in case i end up busy |
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| 16:19:33 | GodEater | it contains an up to date rockbox dev environment (including the multi-lib stuff for the Gigabeat S) |
| 16:20:49 | Bagderr | preglow: we've already discussed about having two mentors for each student to better load sharing etc |
| 16:20:55 | preglow | well, ok |
| 16:20:58 | Bagderr | but we need one primary for the app etc |
| 16:21:02 | preglow | i'll just apply rockbox for mentoring privs, then |
| 16:21:15 | Bagderr | please do |
| 16:22:26 | preglow | Bagderr: there |
| 16:23:04 | Bagderr | there! |
| 16:25:04 | Bagderr | for the record: I want all committers (not just mentors) to vote on the project order, and I'll mail about that separately |
| 16:25:10 | markun | I wouldn't mind being a 2nd mentor for some project either |
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| 16:25:31 | moos | GodEater: do you have a link for me please? |
| 16:25:32 | Bagderr | markun: then do sign up to get you the proper mentor status (tshirt!) etc |
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| 16:25:59 | * | amiconn also made a vmware image |
| 16:26:08 | markun | yes, I guess I could do that, but I might not have a lot of time |
| 16:26:13 | amiconn | Debian based, without X11 at all |
| 16:26:33 | amiconn | It's configured to build cross-compiled win32 sims |
| 16:27:29 | amiconn | http://download.rockbox.org/vmware/debbox.7z |
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| 16:27:59 | amiconn | There might be some minor configuration problems though |
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| 16:28:40 | Bagderr | we need to have assigned mentors and a set order by April 18th |
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| 16:29:47 | NewGirl | Yes I'm back :( I created a directory on the root called /Music, put in a few songs,. Then tried the Update Now for the database but my songs still dont show up in the database. I then tried Initialize Now and still now songs. The songs that were istalled bu itunes are there and playable am I missing a step in doing something ? |
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| 16:31:15 | Tomkiewicz | hi, I wants to edit wiki - where can I get permissions to do that? |
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| 16:32:03 | gevaerts | Bagderr: is there a way to cleanly handle multiple applications for the same project to make things work properly if a selected student goes to another org ? |
| 16:32:08 | markun | Tomkiewicz: here is the right place |
| 16:32:27 | pondlife | gevaerts: Is a student meant to apply for multiple orgs? |
| 16:32:34 | gevaerts | pondlife: they can, yes |
| 16:32:35 | markun | TomekWasilczyk, right? |
| 16:32:36 | Tomkiewicz | so, my nick on TWiki is TomekWasilczyk :) |
| 16:32:38 | Tomkiewicz | yes |
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| 16:33:40 | linuxstb | NewGirl: Did you shut down Rockbox (long press on the PLAY button) and then restart? |
| 16:33:41 | markun | Tomkiewicz: done |
| 16:33:47 | Tomkiewicz | thanks |
| 16:33:47 | Bagderr | gevaerts: that's basically handled "manually" during the closing period |
| 16:34:15 | gevaerts | Bagderr: ok, I wasn't sure if there was still room for manual intervention |
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| 16:34:27 | NewGirl | yes I did that f both operations |
| 16:34:40 | Bagderr | I think there's always pretty large room for manual stuff on Google's side |
| 16:35:25 | Bagderr | I noticed our ARM emulator man has a large amount of projects submitted |
| 16:35:52 | linuxstb | NewGirl: Can you play the files if you just browse to them via the "Files" menu? |
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| 16:36:30 | NewGirl | I haven't tried that yet, but I will now! |
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| 16:39:55 | mcuelenaere | http://download.rockbox.org/vmware/Debian-4.7z is v4 of VMwareDevelopmentPlatform right? |
| 16:40:15 | NewGirl | linuxstb They are there and I can play them, but not in the database |
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| 16:42:57 | linuxstb | Anyone heard of the "bink" audio format? It seems to be a modern game format and a patch has just been submitted to ffmpeg... |
| 16:43:24 | * | gevaerts thinks he has heard of it |
| 16:43:26 | linuxstb | NewGirl: Sorry, I can't help - the database has always "just worked" for me... |
| 16:45:00 | Bagderr | there's a bink video format too |
| 16:45:30 | linuxstb | Yes, the patch calls itself "a working demuxer and audio decoder for the Bink multimedia format." |
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| 16:47:11 | amiconn | Bink isn't new at all |
| 16:47:12 | dionoea | linuxstb: there was an entry on mike's blog about that format recently. I'll get you the link |
| 16:48:04 | NewGirl | linuxstb Ok thanks for trying anyway.....and for the bink search for Bink and Smacker video files its been used in a quite a few video games that I know of |
| 16:48:55 | linuxstb | All the links I've found seem to focus on the video, without much of a description of the audio format(s) |
| 16:48:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bink_Video |
| 16:49:07 | preglow | i've heard about bink, yeah |
| 16:49:11 | preglow | the video format has been around for ages |
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| 16:49:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | I remember its predecessor, Smacker. |
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| 16:50:50 | dionoea | linuxstb: wiki.multimedia.cx has info about audio/video/container |
| 16:50:56 | dionoea | I can't find the blog entry though :/ |
| 16:51:03 | dionoea | maybe it was on kostya's blog |
| 16:51:58 | linuxstb | Nice description.... http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=Bink_Audio |
| 16:52:18 | dionoea | ah ... hehe :) |
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| 16:54:29 | linuxstb | Hmm, looking at the decoder it seems to store floats in the compressed bitstream... |
| 16:54:39 | preglow | \o/ |
| 16:55:15 | Bagderr | something certainly floats in that stream |
| 16:55:46 | GodEater | moos: no sorry, I have been blocked from surfing the site where I left it from work - so I can't tell you what the link is now. Was hoping pondlife would still have it. :( |
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| 16:59:20 | moos | GodEater: no problem, thanks anyway. |
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| 17:06:07 | preglow | we should seriously consider stopping the use of menu+select to mean "exit plugin" ... |
| 17:08:05 | preglow | can anyone tell me how i exit the nano recording screen? |
| 17:08:15 | preglow | why, suddenly it worked... |
| 17:08:38 | preglow | confusing... |
| 17:08:55 | scorche|sh | mcuelenaere: rockboxdev.sh should work out of the box with the latest Debian image, and yes it is |
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| 17:09:09 | * | scorche|sh reads all the talk and wonders if it is about time for him to make a new image |
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| 17:10:49 | mcuelenaere | scorche|sh: apparantly arm-elf-gcc is v4.0.3 while 'normal' gcc is 3.3.5 |
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| 17:16:18 | NewGirl | I fnally found my MP3 in the database they are there in <Untagged> can anybody recommend and good and by that I mean free ID tag editor for MP3's |
| 17:17:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | NewGirl: EasyTag: http://easytag.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:18:58 | * | gevaerts has also used easytag. It seems to work |
| 17:20:21 | n1s | scorche|sh: if you update the image I've added to comments on things that would be good to fix in the wiki, 1) the user is not a member of the 'audio' group so sim crashes when playing 2) install the latex-ucs package to make it possible to build the manual |
| 17:20:52 | scorche|sh | mcuelenaere: sounds right |
| 17:21:27 | mcuelenaere | is there an easy way for updating gcc to a newer version (not involving apt-get)? |
| 17:21:30 | scorche|sh | yeah...if i do do a new image, i am going to start from scratch and not just build on the past ones...but it is a bit low on the priority list right now |
| 17:21:44 | scorche|sh | mcuelenaere: depend what you mean by "easy"... |
| 17:22:09 | mcuelenaere | I don't mind compiling some packages.. |
| 17:22:23 | NewGirl | LambdaC Thanks you I'll give it a try |
| 17:22:27 | mcuelenaere | but I suppose gcc 4.x isn't really needed, so it isn't that important |
| 17:22:39 | mcuelenaere | x86 gcc that is |
| 17:22:59 | scorche|sh | yeah...the image is getting a bit ancient... |
| 17:23:39 | mcuelenaere | question: should I commit several parts of the ZVM port or do it in one big commit? |
| 17:24:25 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: IMO, small patches are better - they're much easier for others to review |
| 17:25:11 | mcuelenaere | ok, then I'll commit the DM320 IC driver now |
| 17:25:16 | linuxstb | (especially if they change code for existing targets). But if the commit is simply new files for the ZVM port, then just commit them all at once... |
| 17:27:51 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: Where did the hmac-sha1.[ch] files come from? There's no (C) or license info in them. |
| 17:29:47 | mcuelenaere | isn't there? I thought I added it |
| 17:30:05 | Hidden | hello everyone |
| 17:30:26 | Hidden | do you have any idea whom should I contact if I have problems with rockbox on my iriver H10? |
| 17:30:48 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3174.html |
| 17:31:14 | mcuelenaere | and http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2202.html |
| 17:31:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hidden: What sort of problems are you having? |
| 17:32:03 | Hidden | the scrollpad isn't working |
| 17:32:20 | Hidden | even without touching it it's going up&down pretty much randomly |
| 17:32:29 | Hidden | and because of this it's pretty much unusable |
| 17:32:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | H10 5/6GB or 20GB? |
| 17:33:00 | Hidden | 6GB |
| 17:33:02 | PaulJam | Hidden: do you use the most recent build? |
| 17:33:13 | Hidden | yep, but I've tried old ones, too |
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| 17:33:28 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: I've only read the first document briefly, but I can't see any explicit license to use the code... |
| 17:33:41 | PaulJam | Hidden: does the original firmware work normally? |
| 17:33:54 | Hidden | yes, most definitely |
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| 17:34:37 | Hidden | I've tried svn rev 15140 and 17024 |
| 17:34:47 | Hidden | with pretty much the same results |
| 17:35:06 | Hidden | sometimes it's usable for a few seconds after booting rockbox −− but most of the time it isn't |
| 17:35:21 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: scroll way down rfc3174 |
| 17:35:40 | mcuelenaere | I forgot the copyright notice though |
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| 17:36:55 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: Which paragraph/section? |
| 17:37:30 | mcuelenaere | search for "Full Copyright Statement" |
| 17:38:01 | linuxstb | Yes, I've read that. |
| 17:38:53 | linuxstb | It talks about the document, not the C program. |
| 17:40:14 | amiconn | mcuelenaere: RED... and your commit message seems to be incorrect |
| 17:40:57 | mcuelenaere | amiconn: about tho fix that; about the commit message: it supposed to be a |
| 17:41:22 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: right, so it doesn't have a copyright for the C program. what should I do now? contact the authors? |
| 17:41:22 | amiconn | I mean the part about it not being enabled... |
| 17:42:45 | mcuelenaere | yes, apparantly it is enabled in the mrobe; I thought otherwise |
| 17:43:01 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: I'm not sure... I'm sure there are other implementations of HMAC-SHA-1 with a clear license - e.g. here http://www.koders.com/c/fidF9A73606BEE357A031F14689D03C089777847EFE.aspx |
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| 17:56:39 | NewGirl | Many thanks to everybody who helped me today with my problem, Everything is working like it should now (I wish all my problems could be solved like this). |
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| 18:10:00 | mcuelenaere | could someone with gcc 4.x compile this patch (http://pastebin.com/m14822833) and tell if it gives warnings? |
| 18:12:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | mcuelenaere: The link 404'd. Can you post it again? |
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| 18:12:37 | mcuelenaere | http://pastebin.com/m14822833 |
| 18:12:45 | mcuelenaere | don't include the () |
| 18:15:02 | n1s | hmm, my h320 is playing track 14 of 12 now... |
| 18:15:20 | Hidden | hunk #1 of the tools/hmac-sha1.h failed |
| 18:15:36 | Hidden | on svn rev 17053 |
| 18:18:11 | mcuelenaere | http://pastebin.com/m4a19f311 |
| 18:18:14 | mcuelenaere | this one is fresh |
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| 18:23:38 | Hidden | no warnings for "gcc -O -ansi -g -c -o hmac-sha1.o hmac-sha1.c" |
| 18:23:49 | mcuelenaere | and with -W -Wall ? |
| 18:23:58 | Hidden | a moment |
| 18:24:10 | mcuelenaere | thx |
| 18:26:21 | Hidden | gcc -O -ansi -g -W -Wall -c -o hmac-sha1.o hmac-sha1.c |
| 18:26:24 | Hidden | no warnings |
| 18:26:29 | mcuelenaere | ok, perfect |
| 18:26:34 | mcuelenaere | thanks for testing |
| 18:26:39 | Hidden | gcc version 4.1.3 20070929 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.1.2-16ubuntu2) |
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| 18:29:19 | * | bluebrother just noticed the "paperclip" tool entry on the DevConEuro2008 page :) |
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| 18:37:56 | bluebrother | hmm, I won't be able to attend at the first proposed Devcon date in Stockholm ... |
| 18:38:07 | bluebrother | any news from the Berlin front? |
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| 18:39:20 | scorche|sh | amiconn: did you have a place we could converge on? |
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| 18:44:56 | kugel | So, I was browsing the web and www.rockbox.org just fine the past hours, until I clicked on the 4weeks link on the front page (by accident). Surprisingly it crashed my pc again. |
| 18:46:24 | bluebrother | clicking a website crashed your machine? |
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| 18:47:35 | kugel | bluebrother: Yes, at least this particular link |
| 18:47:39 | scorche|sh | kugel: you should probably get that fixed... |
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| 18:55:38 | mcuelenaere | scorche|sh: can you get me a rockbox cloak? |
| 18:55:50 | scorche|sh | sure! |
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| 19:02:39 | * | Nico_P isn't sure FS #6882 was to be closed |
| 19:03:02 | scorche|sh | mcuelenaere: it would help if you could identify to nickserv first ;) |
| 19:03:34 | mcuelenaere | strange, I though mIRC identified me automatically.. |
| 19:03:38 | mcuelenaere | thought* |
| 19:03:52 | mcuelenaere | anyhow, thanks :) |
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| 19:04:49 | n1s | Nico_P: when playing a dir with repeat set to all the tracknumber displayed in the wps is not reset when the dir starts over so it can display track 14/12 for example... |
| 19:05:23 | Nico_P | n1s: good point |
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| 19:11:39 | scorche|sh | mcuelenaere: done |
| 19:12:19 | mcuelenaere | huh, wasn't it already done at [19:03:16] ? |
| 19:13:51 | scorche|sh | likely, but i am not sure what time zone that is... |
| 19:14:10 | mcuelenaere | GMT+1 |
| 19:14:22 | mcuelenaere | well, never mind. thanks! |
| 19:14:40 | amiconn | bluebrother, scorche|sh: I can offer free hosting location, but unlike at contactor in Stockholm, it can't be used for sleeping |
| 19:15:18 | amiconn | And since the location is rather central (near Alexanderplatz), the hotels nearby aren't exactly cheap |
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| 19:16:37 | * | bluebrother heads to 24c3 wiki to look for hotels |
| 19:16:59 | scorche|sh | we can always group up in a suite somewhere...or group hostels close by? |
| 19:17:04 | kugel | amiconn: Alexanderplatz? Does that mean DevCon will be in Berlin? |
| 19:17:21 | gevaerts | kugel: there are currently several competing bids |
| 19:17:24 | kugel | DevConEuro* |
| 19:17:41 | scorche|sh | either way, could you send a mail off to the Dev-ML in the fashion of Bagder, amiconn? |
| 19:17:42 | domonoky | kugel: not jet decided, berlin or stockholm are the options.. |
| 19:18:08 | kugel | I'm absolutely in favor of Berlin. Mainly since I leave there, but also the central position |
| 19:18:20 | kugel | And Stockholm was the place several times now AFAIK |
| 19:18:27 | scorche|sh | we are well aware... |
| 19:18:30 | bluebrother | scorche|sh: check http://events.ccc.de/congress/2007/Accommodation |
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| 19:19:36 | amiconn | kugel: several times == twice |
| 19:19:40 | * | Nico_P would've loved to attend devcon, but has a week full of exams starting on the 9th |
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| 19:21:35 | * | bluebrother added his two blocked weekends in june to the wiki page |
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| 19:23:29 | bluebrother | Nico_P: similar boat as you −− won't be able to make it on the first proposed Stockholm date in June |
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| 19:26:55 | bluebrother | hmm, 17 people who'd like to attend in Euro. Nice. |
| 19:28:46 | low_light | gevaerts: I need some help with usb_serial logf. I tried to make an e200 build to run on the philips sa9200 with usb serial logf enabled on boot. Linux seems to recognize the device, but I don't get a /dev/ttyUSB0 node. |
| 19:29:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | bluebrother: Versus only 8 for the U.S. |
| 19:29:27 | Nico_P | low_light: have you modprobed the module? |
| 19:30:38 | gevaerts | low_light: (what Nico_P said), and did you call the correct usb_core_enable_driver() ? |
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| 19:43:40 | kugel | JdGordon: ping |
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| 19:46:15 | * | toffe82 waiting for low_light results |
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| 19:48:53 | kugel | linuxstb: I think JdGordon did the same (at least in the menu) in r16812...using 2 viewports |
| 19:49:21 | kugel | menu.c.361 struct viewport *vps, menu_vp[NB_SCREENS]; /* menu_vp will hopefully be phased out */ |
| 19:50:34 | kugel | Which is why updating the unused parts of the screen isn't a problem anymore when editing the "parent" (which I avoided in my customlist patch with the list_info vp) |
| 19:50:49 | kugel | in menues |
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| 19:55:41 | low_light | gevaerts: yes, I followed the instructions on the wiki |
| 19:56:04 | low_light | gevaerts: here's some output: http://www.geocities.com/m_arigo/dmesg.txt http://www.geocities.com/m_arigo/lsusb.txt |
| 19:56:48 | low_light | gevaerts: and here's the patch I used: http://www.geocities.com/m_arigo/e200_usb_serial_logf.patch.txt |
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| 19:58:21 | gevaerts | low_light: you need to call usb_core_enable_driver(USB_DRIVER_SERIAL,true); somewhere before connectiong (i.e. in usb.c near the other usb_core_enable_driver() calls |
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| 20:04:40 | low_light | gevaerts: so, insert it at line 207 in usb.c? |
| 20:04:58 | amiconn | scorche: I'm a bit confused regarding your devcon timing restrictions. They say 'Anytime' in bold (i.e. what you cannot make)... |
| 20:05:42 | gevaerts | low_light: actually, where you inserted it should be fine. I'm investigating further |
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| 20:08:25 | [SDK] | anybody's using mediacoder ? i use rockbox profile butcan't get a right mpeg file for my ipod video. any tips ? |
| 20:09:25 | scorche|sh | amiconn: better? |
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| 20:11:18 | gevaerts | low_light: I'm beginning to fear that making usb run from the bootloader might not be so simple after all |
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| 20:12:14 | low_light | gevaerts: it's not the bootloader, it's a normal build (with logf) |
| 20:12:36 | gevaerts | low_light: ok. Does it have working threading ? |
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| 20:13:47 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: does NUM_ENDPOINTS(=3) includes ENDPOINT0? |
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| 20:14:23 | gevaerts | low_light: probably usb_detect isn't working (usb-fw-pp502x.c). Maybe change that to just always include USB_INSERTED |
| 20:14:39 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: yes, so NUM_ENDPOINTS=3 means endpoints 0,1,2 |
| 20:14:40 | low_light | gevaerts: the sa9200 is pp5024 (same as e200). So all processor related stuff should work. |
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| 20:15:50 | gevaerts | low_light: then I would guess at the usb_detect() issue. That uses a GPIO pin (but lying here shouldn't harm) |
| 20:17:10 | * | amiconn spotted a dead link in the wiki |
| 20:17:12 | low_light | ahh, forgot about that. |
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| 20:17:51 | * | preglow wonders why tcc7801 has a count leading zeros unit when the armv5 core already has an instruction for it... |
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| 20:20:40 | amiconn | Hmm, no idea where to get the rvf directshow filters from (Jrg's site at t-online is long dead) |
| 20:21:20 | amiconn | preglow: Isn't the tcc7801 the one with 2 different arm cores, arm920t + arm940t? |
| 20:21:38 | amiconn | If it is - the 920t is v4t, not v5 |
| 20:22:10 | krazykit | amiconn, does archive.org not have a copy? |
| 20:24:28 | preglow | amiconn: aye |
| 20:24:58 | preglow | 926ej-s is armv5 |
| 20:25:35 | preglow | arm's processor versioning is on crack |
| 20:26:17 | amiconn | ah ok |
| 20:26:37 | preglow | both cores are armv5, so i don't see the need for that thing |
| 20:26:45 | * | amiconn still wonders why the tcc7801 combines 2 different arm cores which are so close in specs |
| 20:26:50 | preglow | having to write then read from a memory location is waaaay slower than just calling clz |
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| 20:27:25 | preglow | it's probably just reused from other cores which use lower specced cpus, though |
| 20:27:33 | preglow | amiconn: for the same reason portalplayer used two cores? |
| 20:27:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Is this what you're looking for? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/VideoDirectShow/RvfMux.zip |
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| 20:29:42 | amiconn | LambdaCalculus37: Oh, so it's there. |
| 20:29:58 | amiconn | UsefulTools has a dead external link |
| 20:30:04 | * | amiconn goes to edit that |
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| 20:37:02 | amiconn | nope |
| 20:37:11 | amiconn | So far nobody implemented the necessary scaling |
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| 20:37:59 | amiconn | Same goes for the fullsize greyscale ipods - rockboy is only available for all (?) colour targets, plus iriver H1x0 and iaudio M5 |
| 20:38:24 | amiconn | Plus archos recorder, but that can only be called experimenatl |
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| 20:39:42 | PaulJam | thanks |
| 20:41:19 | [SDK] | any help to encode video with mediacoder ? :o |
| 20:41:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: VERY experimental. :) |
| 20:42:09 | * | LambdaCalculus37 remembered how slow Rockboy was on the JBR when he first tried it |
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| 20:43:19 | scorche|sh | [SDK]: there are multiple ways to encode videos...try ffmpeg |
| 20:43:21 | amiconn | LambdaCalculus37: yeah. Around 2 fps - and you can't recognise much because of the rather brutal downscaling |
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| 20:50:46 | scorche|sh | looks like our current slot count is posted |
| 20:51:11 | amiconn | LambdaCalculus37: There are still HCl's beginnings of a dynamic recompilation engine for rockboy, which nobody ever picked up again.. |
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| 20:53:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: I can look through some of the code and see what's there, but I can't guarantee anything coming out of it. My coding skills are still kind of "meh", for lack of a better term. |
| 20:54:55 | preglow | rockboy still needs lots of work to reach its full potential, if you ask me :/ |
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| 20:58:16 | low_light | gevaerts: still the same...no /dev/ttyUSB. A /dev/usbdev2.2_ep00 does appear. |
| 20:59:40 | gevaerts | low_light: did you just modprobe usbserial, or did you specify the correct vendor and product ? |
| 21:00 |
| 21:01:21 | low_light | I set the vendor and product |
| 21:02:01 | gevaerts | what does dmesg show ? |
| 21:03:15 | low_light | same as I posted before: http://www.geocities.com/m_arigo/dmesg.txt |
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| 21:04:53 | low_light | I will try again in a little while, this time moving usb_core_enable_driver() to usb.c |
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| 21:09:25 | preglow | man, these people truly seem to jump through hoops to using smlal in filtering |
| 21:09:39 | preglow | i wonder if it's any faster |
| 21:11:29 | preglow | /avoid/ using |
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| 21:13:13 | preglow | hrm, seems like it |
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| 21:21:30 | gevaerts | We will soon(ish) interview potential gsoc students. Should these interviews be held in #rockbox, or in a private channel (and if so, by the mentor + one or two others, or by all (available) mentors ?) ? |
| 21:22:05 | gevaerts | Any GSoC applictants here : please also share your views on this |
| 21:22:18 | linuxstb | IMO they should be in a private channel - maybe just a mentor and 1 or two other people, so the student doesn't feel intimidated... But the log could be shared with all mentors or maybe the committers list. |
| 21:23:18 | n1s | what he ^ said :D |
| 21:23:28 | Nico_P | fine to me too |
| 21:23:50 | preglow | private channel |
| 21:23:52 | ali_as | You we don't get to watch the grilling? That's a shame. |
| 21:24:04 | scorche|sh | i would prefer any available mentor in the channel and possibly a dev with strong experience in the matter if a mentor does not |
| 21:24:04 | domonoky | IMO a private channel would be good, but more mentors/ expirienced people would be good i think |
| 21:24:45 | preglow | i think all interested commiters should attend |
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| 21:25:47 | bluebrother | how about a channel with only mentor and student allowed to speak? |
| 21:26:35 | gevaerts | why ? |
| 21:27:03 | bluebrother | to allow other devs to listen but still make it an interview without disturbance. |
| 21:27:10 | scorche|sh | #rockbox-gsoc has been registered..i will kick people out as necessary when we need to |
| 21:27:22 | bluebrother | but maybe that isn't a too good idea anyway ... |
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| 21:28:53 | preglow | people should be encouraged to talk if they feel it's important, most people on such a channel wouldn't say much anyway |
| 21:28:54 | bluebrother | scorche|sh: so ... is that channel now open for public or meant as private channel for interviews? |
| 21:29:31 | scorche|sh | bluebrother: it will probably not be used until then, but when they do happen, i will kick people as needed |
| 21:29:55 | scorche|sh | or perhaps we can start using that instead of #rockbox-community... |
| 21:29:57 | bluebrother | ok. |
| 21:29:59 | * | scorche|sh hopes |
| 21:30:27 | toffe82 | Nico_P: perhaps this will interest you : http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/pulse-glitch-free.html |
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| 21:32:30 | scorche|sh | seriously though...i would like to stop the discussion in #rockbox-community and move it to #rockbox-gsoc now if possible...i am going to make it so that people without a rockbox cloak cant join for now and will invite people when necessary |
| 21:32:42 | * | gevaerts agrees |
| 21:33:03 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: normal initial USB communication is like this, right: device->enables itself=>host->EP0SETUP=>device->sets address=>... ? |
| 21:33:08 | Nico_P | bluebrother: thanks |
| 21:33:29 | bluebrother | Nico_P: did you mean toffe82 ? |
| 21:33:53 | Nico_P | bluebrother: oh yes, sorry. same nick colour :) |
| 21:33:59 | toffe82 | :) |
| 21:34:12 | bluebrother | for me all nicks are grey ;-) |
| 21:34:13 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: there are a few more steps. The first request is usually a getdescriptor. Also, windows likes to do a bus reset now and then |
| 21:34:25 | Nico_P | scorche|sh: could you log #rockbox-gsoc ? |
| 21:34:47 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: and these getdescriptor request etc, are these performed over endpoint0? |
| 21:35:07 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: that's all endpoint 0, yes |
| 21:35:15 | scorche|sh | Nico_P: scorche logs everything he is in |
| 21:35:40 | mcuelenaere | because now I have finally a stable USB driver, but it only gives me VBUS, resume and suspend statuses :( |
| 21:35:43 | Nico_P | scorche|sh: semi public logs then ;) |
| 21:36:45 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: maybe you need to enable a bit more ? |
| 21:36:57 | scorche|sh | Nico_P: i will have to enable logging on this client and have it save to a www (but .htaccess protected) dir then....or have it available upon request i suppose |
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| 21:39:14 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: I'll try :) |
| 21:39:24 | n1s | scorche|sh: what does one have to do to get one of them fancy cloaks btw? |
| 21:39:36 | scorche|sh | n1s: ask me... |
| 21:39:42 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: good luck in finding out _what_ you need to enable ;) |
| 21:39:47 | n1s | could I have one? :) |
| 21:40:02 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: I have a linux driver + philips-made driver to look at ;) |
| 21:40:11 | gevaerts | That helps |
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| 21:44:52 | scorche|sh | n1s: done |
| 21:45:02 | n1s | thanks! |
| 21:45:17 | preglow | saratoga: warning: seems i've applied to be your mentor again :) |
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| 21:46:53 | scorche|sh | poor saratoga... |
| 21:48:04 | saratoga | preglow: have you warned linuxstb? |
| 21:48:16 | preglow | i'll be issuing the warning mails tomorrow |
| 21:48:38 | preglow | only on one of your two apps, though |
| 21:48:41 | preglow | you can guess which |
| 21:48:48 | saratoga | the one I don't want to do? |
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| 21:49:22 | preglow | i think so |
| 21:49:31 | saratoga | the mpegplayer one sounds like fun, but i don't think they'll be suitable hardware in time for me to do it |
| 21:49:47 | preglow | me neither, but i don't see a problem with that |
| 21:50:06 | preglow | even if it won't be immediately useful, it will be in the long run |
| 21:50:15 | saratoga | yeah i guess i could just do it on the Gigabeat F |
| 21:50:27 | preglow | you could do it on an ipod for all i care |
| 21:50:31 | preglow | like i said, the code will be useful anyway |
| 21:50:44 | saratoga | but really half of my interest was doing the DSP optimizations |
| 21:50:45 | linuxstb | I agree - there's still a lot of work to do, even without target-specific optimisations. (althought the latter would probably be the most fun...) |
| 21:50:51 | domonoky | saratoga: it seems both of your applications have mentor assigned.. :-) |
| 21:51:06 | saratoga | can i revoke the mpegplayer one? |
| 21:51:17 | scorche|sh | saratoga: you can do whatever you wish...they are your apps |
| 21:51:17 | preglow | it'll work out, i don't think you have to |
| 21:51:26 | preglow | but yeah |
| 21:51:36 | scorche|sh | but it isnt like we are going to make you do 2 apps :) |
| 21:51:50 | saratoga | i assumed the project picked one |
| 21:51:55 | scorche|sh | they do |
| 21:52:04 | scorche|sh | but you are free to withdraw any |
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| 21:52:17 | preglow | how much of the current application process do students get to see? |
| 21:52:26 | preglow | do they see scores now? |
| 21:52:28 | saratoga | i think all i see is that page with the comments |
| 21:52:30 | saratoga | let me check |
| 21:53:29 | scorche|sh | yup...just that page |
| 21:53:41 | scorche|sh | preglow: there is a guide to the student webapp posted if you wish to take a look |
| 21:53:59 | preglow | don't think i do, was primarily just wondering if they can follow the scores |
| 21:54:46 | scorche|sh | they cant |
| 21:55:04 | saratoga | it doesn't show me anything beyond the comments and what i typed |
| 21:55:16 | saratoga | also, do i have to interview |
| 21:55:38 | scorche|sh | i was thinking about that... |
| 21:55:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | Good night, everyone! |
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| 21:56:56 | scorche|sh | the interview is mostly to find out about your dedication, skills, etc, which i think we already know for you |
| 21:57:39 | PaulJam | petur: are you here? |
| 21:57:53 | petur | yes |
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| 22:00:14 | PaulJam_ | i just saw the thread about the h300 bootloader on the mailing list. were the errors that you experienced similar to those described here: http://www.misticriver.net/forums/rockbox-h3xx-series/57396-jtds-darky-build-2.html#post587813 ? in that case the problems might not be restricted to 80GB drives only. |
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| 22:02:16 | petur | PaulJam_: Ouch! It indeed sounds so :( |
| 22:02:35 | domonoky | saratoga: there are two interviews sheduled for you as you have 2 applications.. *hehe* |
| 22:06:28 | petur | PaulJam_: they are talking nonsense however, it can never be caused by 'old' rockbox settings as it crashes before it can even load rockbox... |
| 22:06:52 | midgey | i've updated by GSoC proposal, let me know if anyone has more questions or i need to add something else to the application |
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| 22:07:32 | Bagder | midgey: FYI, I'm currently the planned mentor for your project |
| 22:07:55 | midgey | i suspected as much :) |
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| 22:10:15 | PaulJam_ | petur: well, from his first post it wasn't really clear that it already crashed in the bootloader. |
| 22:10:43 | petur | only the bootloader prints the voltage at startup... |
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| 22:11:21 | * | gevaerts suspects petur of trying to read too many applications too quickly |
| 22:11:38 | petur | yeah, serious lack of time :( |
| 22:11:55 | Horscht | crossreading ftw |
| 22:11:58 | gevaerts | petur: re-read the usb one. I left a comment |
| 22:12:13 | petur | "Scotty, I need that 110% NOW" |
| 22:12:57 | Llorean | gevaerts: I think with the interview, I like the "private channel with 2-3 others, but logged for other mentors/committers to go over" and think that one of the 2-3 should be the person assigned mentor if such exists, otherwise, be a person who's volunteered, one should be someone who was involved in GSoC as either mentor or just around last year, and one, if possible, who's trying to observe all applicants in that category for when we ha |
| 22:13:39 | petur | gevaerts, so now you're begging for my vote? :p |
| 22:14:38 | gevaerts | petur: not begging :) |
| 22:15:26 | gevaerts | petur: but if you count the weeks, they add up properly |
| 22:15:46 | * | petur hopes gevaerts is happy now ;) |
| 22:15:56 | gevaerts | petur: might be better to discuss this in #rockbox-gsoc |
| 22:16:37 | scorche|sh | Llorean: i dont know...i still prefer the "all mentors willing plus any non-mentors that may have an in-depth knowledge of the subject matter if a mentor doesnt" |
| 22:16:50 | scorche|sh | just because they are there, doesnt mean they have to speak |
| 22:16:55 | Llorean | scorche|sh: Well, I see mine as more of a "minimum". If the student is willing, more can come. |
| 22:17:26 | scorche|sh | Llorean: i certainly hope they are willing as i would like to enforce more of the IRC involvement this year |
| 22:17:28 | Llorean | But seeing a large list of observers can be uncomfortable. Perhaps we could even just have a live-updated log for the observers and have them PM thoughts to a spokesperson. |
| 22:17:52 | Llorean | Well, I mean, an "interview" quickly becomes an "interrogation" if there's a lot of people able to ask question, or even if it just feels like lots of eyes are directly on you |
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| 22:18:27 | scorche|sh | Llorean: it isnt that hard to just tell the mentors this...i would expect mentors to be able to follow anything that is set down |
| 22:19:18 | Llorean | scorche|sh: It's not just about the mentors though. When you see "27 people in room" and know they're all there to see what you say, it's much more consciously intimidating than having 3 in the room. |
| 22:19:49 | Llorean | I'm saying students should be asked if they mind others in the room, but shouldn't be penalized if they feel uncomfortable and would rather just have the log made available to others (perhaps realtime, as I said) |
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| 22:20:28 | scorche|sh | Llorean: they are also going to be expected to be able to ask for help in a (currently 135 strong) channel... |
| 22:21:06 | gevaerts | That's somewhat different |
| 22:21:31 | Llorean | That's *very* different |
| 22:21:44 | scorche|sh | i am fine with either method...but i am just giving my thoughts |
| 22:23:35 | Llorean | I think most students will be willing to let us bring in many. I'm just saying we shouldn't dictate it must be so (imo), but rather set some minimums. |
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| 22:38:33 | low_light | gevaerts: After moving usb_core_enable_driver() to usb.c I now get a /dev/ttyUSB0. I didn't see any logf output with cu, but maybe I don't have logf's in the right spot. |
| 22:39:16 | gevaerts | low_light: do you have both enabled logf in configure, and defined LOGF_ENABLE in the relevant source ? |
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| 22:39:57 | newnick | i need help |
| 22:40:14 | DerPapst | ...we all do from time to time |
| 22:40:19 | n1s | newnick: be a bit more specific :) |
| 22:40:24 | newnick | ok. |
| 22:40:34 | newnick | well. i have a sansa e250 |
| 22:41:01 | newnick | everything is running fine except for now. the screen just froze up. how do i do a Hard Reset or something |
| 22:41:38 | n1s | press and hold the power button for about 15 seconds |
| 22:41:44 | newnick | yeah. |
| 22:41:48 | newnick | i figured it out. |
| 22:42:04 | newnick | i figured it out before you gave me that answer. |
| 22:42:06 | newnick | lol. |
| 22:42:12 | newnick | but thanks anyways. |
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| 22:45:02 | toffe82 | low_light: if you can send what you have already done, I will try to help if I have some time |
| 22:45:39 | low_light | yes, logf build. I only LOGF_ENABLE'd main.c and put some logf's there. I probably need to add a long delay to give me time to bring up the comm terminal. |
| 22:47:22 | gevaerts | maybe. Or maybe just change usbserial.c to allow some commands |
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| 22:53:15 | low_light | gevaerts: at what point in init() would the usbserial connection be ready? after usb_start_monitoring()? |
| 22:54:02 | gevaerts | low_light: after usb_start_monitoring, probably long after |
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| 22:57:20 | low_light | toffe82: I'm trying to get logf working over usb so that I can dump the memory where the OF bootloader was loaded. |
| 22:57:30 | low_light | toffe82: Assuming it's like the e200 & c200, the BL is loaded to 0x10600000, then the firmware loaded at 0x10000000 and remapped to 0x0. |
| 22:58:19 | gevaerts | low_light: I would suggest to not use logf for that, but add code to usb_serial.c to reply to single-character commands with whatever you need |
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| 23:00:30 | low_light | I can't say I would know how to do that |
| 23:02:34 | gevaerts | low_light: have a look at usb_serial.c, line 193 |
| 23:03:21 | amiconn | Kind of what minimon does on archos (without the usb part of course - pure rs232) |
| 23:03:44 | gevaerts | low_light: Or rather 192. You have a char array (receive_buffer) and its size (length). Usually length will be 1 for interactive use |
| 23:04:26 | gevaerts | low_light: then call usb_serial_send() with whatever strings you want to send |
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| 23:04:54 | midgey | anyone have any experience with a 4th gen iPod that won't turn on? I have it plugged in and charging right now |
| 23:05:00 | gevaerts | low_light: just make sure that the call to usb_drv_recv() stays after your code |
| 23:06:00 | linuxstb | midgey: Just keep trying to reset by holding menu+select - maybe for up to about 30 seconds. |
| 23:06:22 | low_light | gevaerts: sounds easy enough ;) |
| 23:06:42 | midgey | i think the battery is fully discharge so i'm going to keep it plugged in for a bit |
| 23:07:16 | gevaerts | low_light: it is. It's how I played with PCF settings on my ipod a while ago. It was easier than disconnecting the battery to get the PCF back to sane values :) |
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| 23:08:37 | low_light | do you have that patch as a guide? |
| 23:08:47 | gevaerts | Not any more |
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| 23:09:11 | gevaerts | I can quickly cook up something though |
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| 23:14:59 | gevaerts | low_light: something like http://pastebin.ca/978832 should work (test-compiled, but not run) |
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| 23:20:57 | * | gevaerts randomly looks at a FS entry |
| 23:21:33 | low_light | gevaerts: excellent. thanks! I'll try later. |
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| 23:31:26 | web | i have a question. how do you make a e250 go into diskmode when the player doesn't load. |
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| 23:32:21 | web | i have a question. how do you make a e250 go into diskmode when the player doesn't load. |
| 23:32:39 | krazykit | web, we saw it the first time. no need to repeat it. |
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| 23:33:01 | captlou | Does rockbox still sucks? |
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| 23:33:16 | Bagder | captlou: yes, go away |
| 23:33:29 | krazykit | "disk mode" is currently taken care of by the original firmware. hold left while booting to get into the OF. |
| 23:33:57 | web | nevermind. you don't know anything |
| 23:34:17 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
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| 23:35:56 | web | and yes. rockbox still sucks. it keeps making my sansa e250 crash. in other words it isn't loading correctly. |
| 23:36:17 | Bagder | web: behave or I'll ban you |
| 23:36:21 | dionoea | web: that's about the best way to get help with an open source project |
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| 23:36:29 | web | and yes. rockbox still sucks. it keeps making my sansa e250 crash. in other words it isn't loading correctly. |
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| 23:36:36 | tatootian | lol |
| 23:36:37 | tatootian | Q_Q |
| 23:36:47 | Kick | (#rockbox web :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder |
| 23:36:55 | tatootian | yay for Badger, hes my hero! |
| 23:37:07 | Mode | "#rockbox +b *!181bd8c7@* " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 23:37:36 | Bagder | hm, that's not right is it? |
| 23:37:43 | Bagder | he had a n= thing too |
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| 23:38:21 | Kick | (#rockbox redbrother :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder |
| 23:38:26 | tatootian | lol |
| 23:38:38 | Bagder | he managed to change nick at least |
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| 23:38:50 | Mode | "#rockbox -b *!181bd8c7@* " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 23:39:22 | iebnn | lol |
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| 23:40:08 | * | scorche|sh frowns |
| 23:40:24 | * | petur learns to convert months to numbers :/ |
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| 23:40:55 | iebnn | why does school have to keep me down |
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| 23:42:07 | scorche|sh | iebnn: i dont see what that has to do with rockbox... |
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| 23:44:07 | rockbox_is_the_b | I need help ChanServ |
| 23:44:17 | bluebrother | that's a bot. |
| 23:44:23 | rockbox_is_the_b | OH. |
| 23:44:27 | Bagder | chanserv helps us all |
| 23:44:28 | scorche|sh | well, technically it is a service |
| 23:44:29 | rockbox_is_the_b | well i need help someone |
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| 23:44:35 | * | Bagder bows in chanserv's direction |
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| 23:44:47 | bluebrother | looks like end of june is a nice date now that petur has revised his dates :) |
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| 23:45:06 | scorche|sh | roolku: we cant help you if you dont say what you need help with... |
| 23:45:08 | rockbox_is_the_b | someone help me |
| 23:45:09 | bluebrother | sorry, someone currently isn't around *g* |
| 23:45:12 | scorche|sh | whoops |
| 23:45:13 | petur | yeah, about time I learn counting :/ |
| 23:45:23 | Bagder | rockbox_is_the_b: you could try asking a question first then |
| 23:45:28 | rockbox_is_the_b | ok. |
| 23:45:38 | bluebrother | nah! Let me get my crystal ball! |
| 23:45:46 | Bagder | ok, hold the question |
| 23:45:50 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:45:57 | bluebrother | I finally want to know if it's working. Got it cheap off of ebay :) |
| 23:46:21 | bluebrother | you ... ummm ... have a problem ... umm ... with a player you're trying to install Rockbox on. |
| 23:46:23 | scorche|sh | bluebrother: was it a refurb? |
| 23:46:36 | bluebrother | yeah, looks like. |
| 23:46:51 | bluebrother | well, the solution is ... ummm ... the fine manual :) |
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| 23:47:02 | bluebrother | ok, and now for the real question? |
| 23:47:13 | rockbox_is_the_b | ummm. to start with. i installed rockbox. no problem. i went to the orignal firmware. and the firmware needed to be updated. so i updated it. now the player does not do anything. it just sits at the loading screen. i need help figureing out what's wrong |
| 23:47:29 | scorche|sh | whcih device? |
| 23:47:30 | bluebrother | what player? Sansa? |
| 23:47:38 | rockbox_is_the_b | sansa e250 |
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| 23:48:00 | bluebrother | heh, seems my crystal ball is at least working partly. You need to reinstall the bootloader |
| 23:48:11 | rockbox_is_the_b | HOW |
| 23:48:21 | stripwax | same way you installed it first time round, I expect |
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| 23:48:44 | stripwax | updating the original firmware on the player will (probably) remove stuff that rockbox expects to be there, so just reinstall rockbox |
| 23:48:45 | bluebrother | try this nice tool called "sansapatcher". Or "Rockbox Utility". |
| 23:48:56 | * | stripwax updates TowerOfRockbox .. |
| 23:49:12 | iebnn | how badly does rockbox sucks? |
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| 23:49:22 | bluebrother | iebnn: pretty much. |
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| 23:49:30 | iebnn | is the battery still awful? |
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| 23:49:33 | stripwax | iebnn - for an honest answer to that, try google, not here |
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| 23:49:44 | rockbox_is_the_b | and yes. rockbox still sucks. it keeps making my sansa e250 crash. in other words it isn't loading correctly. |
| 23:49:47 | Mode | "#rockbox +b *!*n=fdeaf@*.hsd1.ma.comcast.net " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 23:49:48 | bluebrother | iebnn: yeah. Getting like 2 minutes out of my Ipod. |
| 23:49:56 | * | stripwax gets deja-vu |
| 23:50:02 | Kick | (#rockbox iebnn :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder |
| 23:50:17 | * | petur blinks |
| 23:50:20 | stripwax | rockbox_is_the_b - did you try reinstalling it yet? Updating the original firmware, as you did, will remove parts of rockbox . reinstall rockbox |
| 23:50:22 | Nico_P | could someone help me find 000095FC in http://pastebin.ca/978876 ? |
| 23:50:23 | * | scorche|sh wonders if he needs to make Bagder sit in on a banning class |
| 23:50:45 | stripwax | iebnn - i'm getting very good battery life, thank you very much. |
| 23:50:54 | scorche|sh | he was kicked |
| 23:50:57 | stripwax | so he was |
| 23:50:59 | Bagder | this is just my silly xchat button |
| 23:51:01 | | Quit rockbox_is_the_b (Client Quit) |
| 23:51:01 | scorche|sh | but rockbox_is_the_b is still around... |
| 23:51:04 | stripwax | was |
| 23:51:06 | scorche|sh | maybe not |
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| 23:51:20 | scorche|sh | Bagder: then maybe i should take xchat to the class... |
| 23:51:29 | Bagder | why would he be banned? |
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| 23:51:40 | rockbox_is_the_b | i can't. the loading screen doesn't even like go to a point where i can do something with it using the computer |
| 23:51:45 | stripwax | use disk mode |
| 23:51:54 | scorche|sh | he means recovery mode |
| 23:51:54 | rockbox_is_the_b | how do i use disk mod |
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| 23:51:55 | Bagder | rockbox_is_the_b: you changed ip then? |
| 23:52:12 | rockbox_is_the_b | wait. Bagder. what are you talking about |
| 23:52:12 | gevaerts | Nico_P: are you sure it's in there ? |
| 23:52:23 | scorche|sh | Bagder: that is a yes.. |
| 23:52:32 | bluebrother | Nico_P: can't you just sort the list by addresses? |
| 23:52:34 | Bagder | rockbox_is_the_b: I'll ban you again you know |
| 23:52:36 | scorche|sh | but if he is going to behave, i am content |
| 23:52:37 | Nico_P | gevaerts: the addresses seem to match but I can't make out the order |
| 23:52:40 | Nico_P | bluebrother: I'll try |
| 23:52:46 | n1s | Nico_P: IIUC it is not in any of the functions, data/bss sections maybe? |
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| 23:52:48 | stripwax | rockbox_is_the_b - does the rockbox manual tell you how to use recovery mode? |
| 23:53:00 | stripwax | (I don't have a sansa so I don't know personally) |
| 23:53:02 | gevaerts | Nico_P: lowest address in there is 0x00009778 |
| 23:53:04 | rockbox_is_the_b | im using something called ultrasurf. i get new ip addresses |
| 23:53:19 | Mode | "#rockbox -b *!*181bd8c7@* " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 23:53:21 | rockbox_is_the_b | so good luck banning me. and besides. what are you gonna ban me for |
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| 23:53:33 | Bagder | rockbox_is_the_b: if you behave you're very welcome |
| 23:53:40 | Mode | "#rockbox +o scorche|sh " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 23:53:47 | Nico_P | gevaerts: oh, you're right |
| 23:53:48 | stripwax | rockbox_is_the_b - would be happy if you could answer the questions |
| 23:54:01 | * | Nico_P is very puzzled |
| 23:54:10 | scorche|sh | rockbox_is_the_b: if you need help, answer what people ask you...if you dont want help, feel free to keep misbehaving |
| 23:54:10 | rockbox_is_the_b | ok. and i use ultrasurf. so even if you ban me. i'll just come back. cause the banning doesn't effect me |
| 23:54:13 | rockbox_is_the_b | so there! |
| 23:54:14 | bluebrother | Nico_P: just remove the .text from the first line and then use sort ;-) |
| 23:54:27 | Bagder | rockbox_is_the_b: hah, we can ban you fine |
| 23:54:28 | stripwax | rockbox_is_the_b - let's not concentrate on the banning, and solve your problem please |
| 23:54:30 | scorche|sh | is that a "no i wont behave"? |
| 23:54:40 | n1s | Nico_P: what are you looking for? |
| 23:54:45 | preglow | rockbox_is_the_b: i can see no reason to ban you |
| 23:54:48 | rockbox_is_the_b | no. im just getting into the banning. |
| 23:54:49 | preglow | rockbox_is_the_b: so, is there anything you want? |
| 23:54:54 | rockbox_is_the_b | cause you wont be able to. |
| 23:54:54 | Bagder | (just that we'd ban a lot of people ;-) |
| 23:55:01 | Nico_P | n1s: I'm looking for where my data abort is happenning |
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| 23:55:18 | stripwax | rockbox_is_the_b - STOP talking about banning and please answer the question I asked earlier. Help us to help you or you are just taking up bandwidth |
| 23:55:23 | n1s | Nico_P: it could be in bss or data (not in text) |
| 23:55:23 | rockbox_is_the_b | well. you can't ban me. I use UltraSurf. and get a new ip address. new everything |
| 23:55:24 | Bagder | rockbox_is_the_b: so did you have a problem we can help you with? |
| 23:55:29 | gevaerts | Nico_P: you can do an objdump −−syms on the entire .elf file |
| 23:55:52 | rockbox_is_the_b | Bagder: im fixing the problem right now |
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| 23:56:10 | * | stripwax boggles |
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| 23:56:36 | redbrother | so yeah. |
| 23:56:45 | preglow | haha |
| 23:56:48 | preglow | same ip and everything |
| 23:56:49 | bluebrother | oh, that name again. Same IP. |
| 23:56:51 | redbrother | bagder: you can't ban me. just get it through your head. |
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| 23:56:57 | Kick | (#rockbox redbrother :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder |
| 23:57:06 | Bagder | but I can have fun nontheless! |
| 23:57:13 | Mode | "#rockbox -o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 23:57:18 | bluebrother | too bad, I just wanted to tell him Bagder can do _everything_ ;) |
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| 23:57:34 | preglow | redbrother: same ip, man, it's not working |
| 23:57:35 | bluebrother | still same IP |
| 23:57:39 | redbrother | bagder is a fucking dumbass |
| 23:57:45 | Bagder | redbrother: you need more practise |
| 23:57:46 | Mode | "#rockbox +b %*!*403e8a4a@* " by scorche|sh (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
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| 23:57:49 | stripwax | redbrother - if you ask questions and refuse help or continue to insult us ,you won't get more assistance |
| 23:57:59 | scorche|sh | he has had enough chances |
| 23:58:00 | * | bluebrother goes figuring out the IP range |
| 23:58:08 | * | BigBambi goes to get popcorn |
| 23:58:10 | preglow | could we just ignore him, please? |
| 23:58:18 | scorche|sh | preglow: we are...he is muted |
| 23:58:18 | preglow | he'll just shut up if we do |
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| 23:58:46 | preglow | deed, but you're really just handing it to him |
| 23:58:50 | preglow | it was quite clear what he wanted |
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