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#rockbox log for 2008-04-11

00:00:07bughunter2preglow: the one torvalds describes as flawed and he avoids it to keep out bad programmers :/
00:00:15preglowpeople should avoid torvards
00:00:18bughunter2i agree
00:00:19preglowtorvalds <- :)
00:00:37bughunter2what is that smiley
00:00:48bughunter2preglow: how about that new language they're developing ? C++ox or something
00:00:48Bagderline noise? ;-)
00:00:59preglowhe's your standard opinionated programmer
00:01:02bughunter2heh sorry :P i'm going to bad anyways :)
00:01:03*scorche|sh pushes a few people towards #rockbox-community
00:01:30preglowbughunter2: it'll just be a more complex c++, but anyway, let's discontinue this chat here
00:01:45bughunter2thanks :)
00:01:48bughunter2i'm going to bed, goodnight
00:01:52preglowhave fun :)
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00:02:03davebergdisorganizer, you still here?
00:05:34davebergI suppose not...
00:08:23preglowjhMikeS: ahoy?
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00:12:49bertrikgevaerts: I think I found some other USB registers that use clear-on-write and are currently cleared incorrectly
00:13:16gevaertswhich ones ?
00:14:33bertrikI changed the code to clear them properly and USB still works
00:14:54*gevaerts looks in the datasheet
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00:16:31bertrikI'm not sure if it actually fixes a reported bug, but I think we should fix it anyway
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00:17:07gevaertsbertrik: I think you're right. Can you commit the fixes (also the REG_USBSTS one) ?
00:17:26bertrikyes I can
00:17:55gevaertsI don't think it matters right now, since I usually have only one endpoint in use, but in more complex cases this will go wrong
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00:20:16bertrikgevaerts: I'll do a few more tests (see if it also works on full-speed) and commit it in ten minutes
00:21:15gevaertssure. I'm now suspecting endptprime as well
00:25:01bertrikgevaerts: shall I hold off the commit?
00:25:20gevaertsno, go ahead. I can commit this once I've tested a bit more
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00:26:05preglowjhMikeS: is the eq ever currently reset? doesn't look like it
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00:36:05preglowsaratoga: did you decide to drop the h264 app?
00:37:52amiconnbertrik, gevaerts: usb-drv-pp502x.c line 709 looks suspicious to me, given line 708...
00:38:21saratogapreglow: yes I've become less interested in it
00:39:02saratogai'll probably just poke around with mpegplayer in my spare time
00:39:03preglowsaratoga: i've got to be honest and say i think that's the application most likely to end up in useful code, though
00:39:13preglowi've got a feeling porting rockbox to an app can be frought with perils
00:39:13bertrikamiconn: it basically clears all bits in the end point interrupt register, then processes all bits that were set
00:39:33bertrikI'm not 100% sure that this is the proper order, but it looks ok
00:39:48gevaertsI think it's correct.
00:39:48saratogapreglow: I thought the opposite, since the app code is already apparently working on some device
00:39:58saratogaworst case we'd bring that into SVN at least
00:40:14saratogaand hopefully remove the non-GPL stuff (if any)
00:40:14preglowsaratoga: have you tried it?
00:40:21saratogai don't have that phone yet
00:40:32preglowi'm kind of curious on how well the sdl simulator style threading works on an actual device
00:40:59saratogai'm not very familar with SDL
00:41:03saratogawhats the concern?
00:41:14preglowrockbox threads are cooperative, most other thread implementations are not
00:41:15bertrikgevaerts: yes, I think so, any new bit that might get set while processing all endpoints will cause a new interrupt so no interrupts are lost
00:41:34preglowso threads are serialized, as far as i know, which might not be the best alternative performance-wise on limited targets
00:41:49preglowit's kind of a hack anyway
00:41:52gevaertsbertrik: the remaining problem I seem to have is that now and then prime_transfer() fails with -2 or -3
00:41:54saratogaaren't threads always serialized on single processor machines?
00:42:22preglowsaratoga: well, yeah, in a way, but the sim adds another layer
00:42:41saratogayou mean overhead from SDL?
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00:42:56preglowit uses proper threads instead of rockbox threads, but prevent any of them from running at the same time, waiting until threads have yielded, rockbox style
00:43:01preglowanyway, i might be wrong, i'd ask jhMikeS about it
00:43:04*bertrik is going to sleep now
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00:47:12*pixelma thinks that the svn table on the frontpage looks way too short...
00:47:53preglowsaratoga: btw, what kind of a cpu does the port target have?
00:48:08gevaertspixelma: go ahead :)
00:48:15*amiconn thinks pixelma is about to change that :)
00:48:44*gevaerts buys a bigger screen to be able to see the next commit
00:48:46pixelmajust a bit of testing still but am about to change that
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00:52:01saratogapreglow: intel x-scale
00:52:12preglowsaratoga: clock?
00:52:17[TiZ]Hey, guys... Did the combination for turning off the player change?
00:52:29preglow[TiZ]: what player?
00:52:32saratogatheres also some other arm core and a DSP but i don't know if those are accessible
00:52:37preglow[TiZ]: no
00:52:39[TiZ]Shoulda been more specific
00:52:42preglowkeep play pressed
00:52:43preglowthat's that
00:52:49saratogax scale is superscalar right?
00:52:50[TiZ]Holding play doesn't seem to be doin' anything.
00:53:03preglowsaratoga: don't know, really
00:53:21preglow[TiZ]: works fine for me, *shrug*
00:53:36[TiZ]Huh. Well, hope it works next time I start Rockbox.
00:53:55Shaidit wont turn off if you have it plugged into a charge, just incase you've done that.
00:54:06[TiZ]Nah, it's not plugged in
00:54:14[TiZ]And it doesn't think it's charging.
00:54:26[TiZ]Like that last time
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00:57:35saratogapreglow: anyway I'm just not sure i'd have enough time to get the H.264 decoder into proper shape
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00:58:07saratogaits a much more complicated format then wma was, and i know less about video, and don't have the benefit of ulimited free time this summer
01:02:08saratogaactually these moto phones look like they'd make good rockbox targets
01:03:53saratoga(full) SD card slots, fast CPUs, lots of IRAM, ARMv5 w/ DSP extensions
01:03:57preglowsaratoga: at least i expect h264 will be less fumbling around than with wma
01:04:02preglowsaratoga: no floating point madness going on that i can see
01:04:11saratogayeah its natively fixed point
01:04:12gevaertsJust to check that I'm not loosing it : udelay() is microseconds, right ?
01:04:15preglowas a matter of fact, i think the h264 spec goes to some length to avoid floats
01:04:21preglowwhat with the integer transform and all
01:05:18saratogai'd like to work on it, but i have a feeling i'd just leave it 80% done
01:05:25DavidSGI am trying to compile my test program, and it says "emun playlist is not delared in apps\status.h:22" i look into the file and the declaration for it is 9 lines after it is first called, is it possible that this works only in c but not in c++?
01:05:28amiconngevaerts: yes - and it's blocking, so only use it for short delays
01:05:32saratogalike the wma decoder only worse
01:05:42preglowwell, it is a comprehensive format
01:05:45preglowso i really can't argue
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01:05:57preglowand of course, you have to work on what you're motivated to
01:06:17saratoganot to mention the fun of getting (good) aac support if we really want it to be useful
01:06:34preglowffmpeg will have a new aac decoder commited soon :)
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01:06:43saratogayeah but its FP
01:06:56saratogaand i'd much rather fix faad then port it to fixed
01:07:01preglowbut i've somehow got this feeling it won't be hard to fixed pointize
01:07:12LloreanYeah, since our AAC codec gives up with files starting at approximately the same length you'd want for movies.
01:07:24preglowfaad is so large and unwieldy
01:07:31preglowand it chugs memory like mad
01:07:37saratogathats our parser i think, which we'd keep even with the ffmpeg decoder
01:07:49saratogait could be fixed i think
01:07:55saratogaget rid of all the ifdefed code
01:08:02saratogathen it'd be readable
01:08:04saratogaand go from there
01:08:09LloreanI imagine the parser would have to be fixed for h.264 to work
01:08:23saratogaalso, my dream of a combined wma/aac imdct and windowing code
01:08:27[TiZ]This is so weird. Why can't I shut down my iPod?
01:08:32preglowwell, i'd actually like to work on aac
01:08:37gevaertsDavidSG: quick hint : you need to tell the compiler that that is a C header. Try googling for things like C header C++ code
01:08:47[TiZ]I know it's not my iPod, because you could shut down with Underground build.... even though it always resulted in data abort.
01:08:47preglowi should just look over the ffmpeg code and get an overview
01:08:54preglowso i can have a look at the faad code afterwards and untangle
01:09:01preglowshould get inspiration from the helix code too
01:09:02*gevaerts isn't going to give a straight answer ;)
01:09:05saratogapreglow: take a shot at it one of these days and i'll probably help you out
01:09:16saratogaalso, you can get books and specs for aac
01:09:57saratogai actually used an mpeg book for figuring out the wma decoder
01:10:13preglowwe'll see, if i end up getting a d2, i'll probably have porting duties for quite some time
01:10:25preglowbut the shape of the aac codec is really bugging me
01:10:37saratogayes it is rather silly that no one has worked on it
01:10:37DavidSGgevaerts: thank you
01:10:50saratogawe should agree on what to do though
01:11:04saratogaremove all the ifdef code from faad and take another look at it maybe?
01:11:07LloreanAAC has gotten a little love from Lear now and again, but mainly that's been for the parser I think.
01:11:11*DavidSG wonders how that was not a straight answer
01:11:26*gevaerts could have just said what to type and where
01:11:31DavidSGi prefer people tell me how to learn thing then tellme how to do things
01:11:55DavidSGprefer when*
01:12:31saratogatheres actually a lot of obvious stuff to fix in faad, the imdct rotation code for instance is line for line like the ffmpeg version i started with in the wma codec, so all the optimizations could be copied in
01:12:49gevaertsDavidSG: This is one of those things where you just have to know that there's some magic involved I guess, then it's easy to find
01:13:01saratogawe could also remove all the look up tables for odd ball mpeg profiles and add the wma windowing ASM code
01:13:13amiconnBagder: The front page script seems to be a little confused regarding time zones
01:13:34amiconnIt still says 'Today' for the latest wiki edits...
01:13:45preglowsaratoga: i don't believe that's compiled in as it is
01:13:51preglowsaratoga: but of course, a cleaner source tree is always nice
01:13:58amiconnAlso latest commits etc
01:14:08saratogai have expect to find a 100KB look up table compiled in somewhere
01:14:09preglowsaratoga: what i've noticed, though, is that faad seems to allocate memory all over the place, and especially in sbr code
01:14:14saratoga"half expect"
01:14:36preglowhuge buffers seemed to be spread all over last i checked
01:14:47saratogai don't have the slightest clue how SBR works, so i can't say if thats bad
01:15:10preglowi actually synced our faad to their latest release, but i just couldn't be bothered to move their buffers around enough to make it work on target again
01:15:36saratogado they actually have any worthwhile improvements?
01:15:44DavidSGgevaerts: well this magic is helpful, thanks again
01:15:46preglowsaratoga: it's just a multiband complex qmf with additional massaging
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01:15:50preglowsaratoga: "just"
01:16:07preglowsaratoga: some, they actually removed a buffer i could see \o/
01:16:10*gevaerts doesn't like the fact that a udelay(5) in a theoretically non-critical place makes the USB stack behave badly
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01:17:02preglowsaratoga: anyway, the helix decoder uses waaaay less memory than faad for the same task, so it has to be possible
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01:18:51saratogaok well i'd appreaciate any comments on my proposal
01:18:57saratogabut now i'm off to get some work done
01:19:13preglowgood luck on that
01:19:27Nico_Psaratoga: it seems fine to me
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01:19:35preglowi don't really have much more to add than i've said
01:22:24*Nico_P is starting to be very pleased with the results of playback/buffering rewrok
01:24:08Nico_Punbuffered skipping is much more responsive
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01:26:35Nico_Pthere are still a few regressions I need to fix but it's shaping up nicely
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01:31:55*gevaerts notices that the svn table on the frontpage has grown a bit :)
01:32:52Shaidonly a smidge
01:33:15pixelma:) could have been better though
01:33:56Nico_Pyeah, why not fix all WPSs in one commit :p
01:34:53Nico_PI agree, just kidding :)
01:34:57*amiconn spots a pluginlib actions :(
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01:35:34amiconnThose need to be killed, not promoted
01:35:37zichois there anyway to make rockbox display lyrics?
01:35:47Nico_Pif we don't want them to be used we need to remove them
01:36:13Nico_Pthe concept is nice and not everybody knows the implementation is borken
01:36:18Chrononzicho: there's a patch on the tracker if you're interested in that
01:36:53amiconnNico_P: The idea was nice, but it turned out the concept cannot work nicely
01:36:54zichoChronon, whats the tracker? NEwest code available, or something?
01:37:58Chrononzicho: The links called "patches" "bugs" and "requests" in the sidebar of the website will take you to the tracker.
01:38:25zichoAh, okay. Thx
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01:39:27amiconnIt works as long as the plugin uses single contexts *only*. Combining contexts makes it break severely on some targets - and unlike with literal button definitions, this major breakage goes unnoticed -> BAD
01:39:28pixelmaand why are the people who commit pluginlib actions stuff not around by the time they do? </half-kidding, half-serious>
01:39:34zichoit would be nice if you could make rockbox scan through your database and then download the lyrics for each song. Or perhaps just scan through some directories
01:41:13Soap_There is no free and legal database of copyrighted song lyrics.
01:42:11Soap_That is point one. Point two is that some tasks are far better served by a fast computer with internet access than a slow music player without internet access.
01:47:24pixelmaNico_P: speaking of PLA - did you try pictureflow on your c200 now (maybe tried to move through the songlist of an album)...? ;)
01:47:49Nico_Ppixelma: I tried it but didn't move in the songlist
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01:49:56pixelmaroolku: did you make sure that mazezam is as controllable as before on all targets? (but actually I have no time to discuss, need sleep :\ )
01:50:12roolkuI see the potential problems with chained context, however in my opinion the advantages outway the disadvantages
01:50:50roolkupixelma: the same actions are used in two other plugins
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01:51:15roolkuthis is simply up/down power
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01:52:12pixelmaI know that in some button action plugins the controls are slightly (or even worse) broken. Try metronome on the c200 for example
01:52:40roolkuI know about the problematic examples
01:53:11roolkuanyway, I'll let you sleep and go to bed myself :)
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01:55:21pixelmaclock had a quirk on c200 before when it only combined generic_actions and generic_directions... :|
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01:56:28pixelma*only*... and I bet not all quirks are known
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02:05:29zichohm, rockbix utility keeps telling me my configuration is invalid, when its not. The search path to the player is correct, and the correct model is chosen
02:05:58zichoi click "autodetect" but it still tells me something is wrong
02:06:25zichonvm, found out what the problem was
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02:10:43zichohow do i install a patch?
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02:16:11Soap_Unlike "fixes" for binary programs you might be used to from the Windows world, in this instance "patch" refers to a modification of the source code. What you do is download the patch, apply it to your local copy of the source code, and then compile the source code.
02:17:27Soap_There is a very nice selection of articles walking you through this process step-by-step in the wiki. I _believe_ they are under the "For Developers" section. Believe me, the fact I was able to use said documents to teach myself speaks volumes on their clarity.
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02:49:31topppyany hackers here
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03:39:56Hillshumwhy isn't anything RB runs on still made?
03:40:20scorcheports take time to do...plenty of it...
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03:43:21Hillshumis it just right now that nothing is made or is that usual?
03:44:15scorcherecently, we supported the ipods and the sansa devices when they were being produced...but it just depends on the device
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04:30:12DavidSGI just finished my gsoc test, gonna make it prettier and post it online
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04:36:40scorcheDavidSG: where online?
04:38:33DavidSGnevermind i got a false positive(it is not working yet), and i guess the website i listed on my project description.
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04:44:43DavidSGI am getting the exact same results as the checkwps tool. What i don't understand is that an executable file is passing the parser test
04:47:24DavidSGok it is working just not how i expected it to.
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05:33:05webguest59hi all
05:33:22webguest59fast question
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05:33:42webguest59does your ipod have to be FAT32 to install rockbox?
05:33:49webguest59sorry, im new
05:33:53krazykitit does.
05:34:20webguest59haha no wonder when i installed it on my macpod it said no partiion found
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05:34:31krazykityou can convert it to fat32 in one of two ways: find a windows machine with itunes or use the manual method
05:34:48webguest59that gets rid of all my music though right?
05:34:58krazykit yeah.
05:35:06webguest59ill have to back up then
05:35:47webguest59well for now, how do i get rid of rock box so i can access my ipod without it telling me no partition found?
05:36:15krazykitthe manual explains how to boot into the OF; i don't know off-hand
05:37:17webguest59thanks all :)
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05:48:58[TiZ]Hey, I've noticed that when you set your backdrop using the context menu, that selection's not actually saved and when you restart, you have the same backdrop you did before switching.
05:49:02[TiZ]Is this behavior intentional?
05:52:24LloreanIt's only saved if your backdrop is in the backdrops folder
05:52:50[TiZ]So it is intentional. Why is it set up that way?
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05:54:17LloreanIt's intentional, but not exactly what you described.
05:54:25LloreanYou can set it with that option, and have it save, if it's in the right place.
05:54:33LloreanIt's just the way paths are saved, I believe
05:59:54[TiZ]Why does it have to be in that place, though? .rockbox isn't exactly easy to get to. It's hidden unless you tell rockbox to show hidden directories.
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06:00:20[TiZ]See, what I'm trying to do is make it so users of my theme can switch backgrounds on a whim
06:03:21LloreanWell, most of the theme system is supposed to be handled solely by .cfg files, really
06:03:29Lloreanoriginally though, it was a technical limitation.
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06:03:48LloreanThat limitation is gone, but the theme system is evolving in a new direction anyway.
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06:29:41[TiZ]I apologize for frequently going afk.
06:29:47[TiZ]And unnanounced, at that
06:30:38[TiZ]anyways, as for the theme system evolving, will that eventually include saving background changes made from the context menu?
06:31:02[TiZ]I'd rather not force users of my theme to make .cfg files for every background they might want to use
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06:35:43LloreanI think it's more likely that, because of viewportification, backdrops will become unavailable from the context menu entirely since the layout of menu and various other viewports will mean backdrops will need to be defined for those viewport sizes.
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06:50:17webguest043G30GbWhen last I left you all, I could not get the iPod to boot properly because it said rockbox.ipod not found. I have finally resolved that problem by running the rb utils from a Windows box. The problem I had last night is gone. Now, I have another problem. When booting, the Apple logo comes up and then the screen goes blank and the backlight stays on. I have searched the forumns for a solution to th
06:52:57[TiZ]Well, I'm headed to bed.
06:53:00[TiZ]'night, guys.
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06:54:05webguest043G30GbIs there a way (from the web client) to tell who's on right now?
06:56:05scorchelook on the right side
06:56:12krazykitlots are on, you just may not be able to tell who's not away from the keyboard. regardless, please have patience in waiting for a reply :)
06:57:19webguest043G30GbPlenty o' patience, just learning... So, everyone on the right is on? I thought that was a list of all users (I was thinking it was a small group)
06:57:48scorchewell, they are all "on"...just may not be "here"
06:58:04scorche"here" being at their keyboards looking at the channel...
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07:00:30webguest043G30GbMany references to key sequences on the ipod refer to MENU + SELECT. On the 3G ipod, this does nothing for me. Confirm that for this model, it should be MENU + PLAY (this is the model with the four buttons across the middle)
07:00:44khermansanyone know a way for my Rockbox iPod to work hooked up to my Kenwood receiver that has an "ipod and usb interface"
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07:01:00khermanssupposedly it can read from a USB flash drive
07:01:16khermanshowever, i get "ipod error" when I put it in "disk mode"
07:02:04scorchewebguest043G30Gb: yup
07:03:29scorchekhermans: that is more of a kenwood issue than a rockbox issue, but i would /guess/ that it would recognize it as a USB device properly when USB mode is enabled in SVN builds
07:03:31khermanshas anyone here used rockbox with their car stereo usb interface?
07:04:00khermansof course it probably is a kenwood issue
07:04:10khermansbut i meant to know if someone might know a workaround
07:04:18khermansscorche, why would the latest svn build help?
07:04:24khermansscorche, i think my build is from january
07:04:57scorchei didnt say the latest SVN build would help...i said it when USB support is enabled in SVN builds
07:05:14khermansscorche, when will that happen?
07:05:24LloreanWhen it's done.
07:05:29scorchewe dont really try to guess dates
07:05:46khermansLlorean, what are the requirements to finish?
07:06:16scorchekhermans: when we have made sure it works properly...
07:06:19Lloreankhermans: "when the people working on it figure out why the bits of it that don't work yet aren't workign"
07:06:52khermansLlorean, can i be a tester of it man? i am also a programmer
07:06:56khermansi have an 80gb
07:07:27Davide-NYCI just recieved a fairly beat up gigabeat from ebay. :( does anyone kno what files are required to stay in the GBSYSTEM folder other than "FWIMG01.DAT"?
07:07:36scorchekhermans: just enable it in the source code and compile your own build
07:07:39Davide-NYCI'm having trouble booting Rockbox
07:08:19LloreanIt also needs FWIMG00.DAT and FWIMG02.DAT if I recall correctly, but they can be empty files
07:09:01khermansscorche, nice −− will do!
07:09:20Davide-NYCUrghh, I purchased an F20 and it has a 10GB HD in it. :(
07:09:22khermansscorche, is it some #DEFINE ?
07:09:39khermansscorche, is this documented somewhere?
07:09:52khermansill grep it sure
07:10:00khermans"usb" is pretty lame search term though :-)
07:10:22scorchesearch our documentation..
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07:12:20ambulancecan someone tell what im doing wrong real fast?
07:13:26ambulanceanyone here?
07:13:32webguest043G30Gbdriving without a license?
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07:13:39cool_walking_yes, there are pretty much always people here
07:13:45cool_walking_but you have to ask a question...
07:13:46ambulanceok well
07:14:57ambulanceim trying to install themes. i copy all the files into the appropraite folders in my ipod. when i select browse themes and then select a theme, it doesnt really load right. all it does really is load the back ground. what am i doing wrong?
07:14:58khermansis this the latest source? ->
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07:15:20scorcheyou could use svn too
07:15:23webguest043G30GbYEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rockbox boots on my 3G!!!!!!
07:15:31cool_walking_ambulance: The WPS is probably broken.
07:15:34scorcheambulance: the theme likely has errors
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07:16:03webguest043G30GbI just went back and installed EVERY theme (previously only had 3 installed). It's like magic!!!
07:16:09ambulancethis has been with every theme i try though
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07:16:46scorcheambulance: then every theme you try are likely either broken or require patches
07:17:10ambulancehmmm...ok. i wish i could find a good one that worked then :(
07:17:20khermansbtw, i am a rockbox donor
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07:19:29Davide-NYCLlorean: it needs something other than the FWIMG files. I just copied everything back and it's fine, but it would be nice to know what can and cannot be dumped.
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07:21:43LloreanDavide-NYC: I have one with just the FWIMG files, so I'm pretty certain that's all it needs...
07:22:13scorche01, 02, and 03?
07:22:38LloreanActually, I think I *might* have a fonts folder too.
07:22:53LloreanThere's a .zip on the wiki with all the necessary dummy files, anyway
07:23:50Davide-NYCthanks for the link but my port 80 is blocked for the next few hours (long story)
07:24:08scorchethere is also in the wiki, but.....oh :)
07:25:45*khermans hopes rockbox builds on ubuntu hardy ...
07:26:02webguest043G30GbI thank you all for your help. I'm off to put some tunes on my rockbox! Bye! :)
07:26:02*khermans crosses fingers
07:26:15scorchekhermans: did you set up the cross compilers?
07:26:21khermansscorche, yea
07:26:23khermansfor arm
07:26:29scorcheah...then you should be fine
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07:31:20Davide-NYCnight all
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07:46:22khermansscorche, is the 80GB ipod the 3G, 4G, or Video option for building?
07:46:44khermansscorche, thx
07:47:39khermansscorche, would i do an (A)dvanced build ?
07:47:59khermansscorche, i dont need to make the #DEFINE edit until the Make right/
07:48:17khermansthere is nothing in the configure stage to change, correct?
07:51:26khermansthere are way too many #DEFINE usb* to grep through here :-(
07:52:02khermansdamn there is tons of code here
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07:52:19khermansyou rockbox devs are crazy crazy
07:52:42scorchedidnt i say to search the *documentation*? =/
07:53:07khermansscorche, the wiki?
07:53:14*scorche nods
07:53:54scorche(sorry...i was already can search next time ;)
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07:59:23khermansscorche, here goes −− compiling :-)
07:59:40khermansi went with fill speed, not high speed and logf()
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07:59:54LinusNscorche: i *knew* he was alive! ;-)
08:00:39Nico_Pand he's French :)
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08:02:10khermansscorche, so does this option allow the USB to receive SCSI commands while plugged in or something
08:03:09*khermans tries to figure out what the damn Kenwood is doing...
08:04:59khermanswow compiled fast!
08:05:04khermanstesting time!!!
08:07:50*khermans trots off to BMW...
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08:11:46khermansscorche, nope didnt work
08:12:35*khermans needs to sadly return to the Apple firmware just to make his new stereo happy
08:12:44scorcheno aux in?
08:13:12khermansscorche, i bought this Kenwood specifically for the ipod interface
08:13:32khermanswhen then specs said it would work from any USB drive, i assumed too much
08:13:51khermansim told the Kenwood will accept a USB drive with files on it
08:14:28khermanshowever, for some reason the ipod in "usb mode" fails to work
08:14:34khermans"disk mode" i mean
08:14:37scorchewell, you might want to wait till the USB support is finished...i have no idea what it could be doing atm....but at least you got some experience in building ;)
08:15:00scorchewait...were you trying in disk mode or rockbox's usb mode?
08:15:04khermansscorche, ive built foss apps from source millions of
08:15:19*scorche shrugs
08:15:22khermanswhen in rockbox, i just plugged in the USB cable
08:15:35khermansscorche, i got the little USB plug icon when that happened
08:15:42khermansi assuem this is the proper mode
08:15:52khermansscorche, was there something else i should have done?
08:15:58khermanslike turning on some option?
08:16:39scorchei think it should Just Work (well, work in the state it is in), but to be honest, i havent even tried it myself...been working on other things
08:16:51khermansscorche, thats cool −− whatever
08:17:03khermansit just goes to prove to me again that proprietary stuff sucks
08:17:17khermanswhich i have known for a long time now, and keep reaffirming
08:17:39khermansdamn Apple dudes were once hackers, and now greedy bastards
08:18:45mrkikokhermans: it seem obvious looking at some design details in Apple software...
08:19:27mrkikokhermans: I was thinking it particularly looking at how they "ruined" the EFI implementation...
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08:21:50khermansmrkiko, yuppers
08:25:49mrkiko"yuppers" I don't understand
08:26:34khermansmrkiko, it means "yes", sorry
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08:43:35LinusNmy respect goes to pixelma for her work on cleaning up the WPS:es
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08:47:53mrkikois pixelma a female entity?
08:48:35GodEaterif she weren't, it would be odd for LinusN to refer to her as a "her" n'est ce pas ?
08:49:38mrkikoOh... I was thinking in english
08:49:43critter-when is the next song always known ? in a playlist where random is not implemented ?
08:49:54mrkikoexisted the same way of referring to a male entity as female as done in italian some times
08:50:48LinusNcritter-: the next song is known to the WPS when the track is loaded into memory (buffered)
08:51:17LinusNcritter-: regardless of the shuffle setting
08:51:25critter-ok thank you
08:51:53LinusNi guess you meant the next-track wps tag?
08:53:06critter-LinusN, out of curiosity do standard firmwares typically buffer the next song ?
08:54:15mrkikoLinusN: Out of curiosity, do you know of an OF that doesn't do this ? (an OF running on a rockboxable player)
08:54:33Mouser_X(It'd be uwise not to. It'd be a waste of battery power to have to spin the HDD everytime you needed to load the next song.)
08:54:40LinusNmrkiko: i can't think of one
08:54:48GodEaterit would also make the playback suck even more
08:54:59GodEateryou'd have to wait at the end of each song for the next one to load up
08:55:15mrkikoI was thinking of a flash-base player aniway
08:55:54LinusNflash based players naturally don't have the same issues, but i still believe they do some amount of buffering as well
08:56:20LinusNi don't own any flash based players
08:56:32mrkikoI also...
08:56:41amiconnIirc one of the OFs doesn't seem to buffer the next song.
08:57:30amiconnUnfortunately I don't remember which one - didn't use OFs for ages (for playing music that is), with the tiny exception of the iaudio M3 OF
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09:00:20amiconnLinusN: Btw, did you read the logs? It seems the frontpage script is a little confused regarding days and timezones
09:00:55LinusNamiconn: i'll have a look
09:01:13amiconnLast night, it still showed "Today 22:49" etc, although it already was past midnight
09:02:09amiconnI guess the script wrongly bases its decision for "Today" on UTC, whereas the actual times are CE(S)T
09:02:35amiconnSo it would be wrong between midnight and 2 AM during CEST
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09:03:10amiconnHmmmmm, or is it all UTC??
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09:04:25amiconnThen it would be correct - and it would be helpful to put (UTC) after 'when' in the table heads
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09:55:34ddaltonhey this is starting to bug me a bit. How do I fix this warning? Its on line 238 of gui/gwps.c when my patch is applied. (I call a function that returns bool...) I want to open a screen... so how should I do this? Sort of like the go_to_rec... what am I doing wrong here? the call to playingtime () in the case... In my patch... Thanks...
09:57:01ddaltonI'm still studying lots of languages so sorry about my stupid question...
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11:52:30preglownano playback is still almost unusable if disk access happens while it plays :/
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12:26:49pondlife Nico_P: Morning, any testing you'd like doing?
12:27:11Nico_Ppondlife: hi :)
12:27:26Nico_PI can give you the patch, but I know of a few regressions
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12:27:54pondlifeOK, maybe not worth me running it yet then
12:28:07Nico_PI've been using it this morning and it's mostly stable
12:28:22pondlifeDon't want to waste your time with reports for known issues.
12:28:24Nico_Pactually it is stable as long as you don't stop after skipping
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12:28:47Nico_Pwhat I'd be interested in, though, is if you find skipping to be more responsive thatn with svn
12:29:13Nico_Pand there could be some regressions I don't know about too
12:29:27pondlifePop it on FlySpray?
12:29:51Nico_PI'll pastebin it. I don't think I'll put it on flyspray
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12:32:08Nico_Pknow issues are: next track info not being refreshed on initial load (go into the menu and back for it to appear), it's not loaded for the first unbuffered track either
12:32:41Nico_Pand also stopping after having skipped will freeze the player
12:32:57pondlifeStopping at all?
12:33:12pondlifeI'll need a pin?
12:33:16Nico_Pstopping is fine if the buffer isn't being filled
12:33:22pondlifeAh, ok
12:33:27Nico_Pand even when it is, it'll often be ok all the same
12:33:31pondlifeSo wait for buffering before stopping
12:34:04Nico_PI've only seen it freeze when stopping right after skipping
12:34:24Nico_PI have a pretty good idea why it does, but I haven't had time to fix it
12:36:09mrkikoNico_P: I noticed the playback will restart the same song occasionally again, but only if:
12:36:20mrkiko- I press next causing the disk to spin up
12:36:28mrkiko- the current track was not totally buffered
12:36:38mrkikoAniway I can't reproduce it reliably.
12:36:47Nico_Pmrkiko: are you up-to-date? I suspect you aren't
12:36:59Nico_PI fixed something similar in r16955
12:37:10mrkikoI know...
12:37:32Nico_Pwhat version are you running then?
12:37:35mrkikoInfact I'm talking about the yesterday SVN release
12:38:16Nico_Phmm well I'm in the process of reworking some parts of that code, so hopefully the bug will be gone
12:39:01mrkikoNico_P: why is playback a complex task?
12:40:26pondlifeNico_P: The WPS isn't updating it's playlist index at all (even if I go out to the menu and back in)... known issue?
12:40:27*jhMikeS thinks it shouldn't be so much - not like it is now anyway.
12:41:12Nico_Ppondlife: ah yes. in gwps-common.c, remove the #ifdefs for the playlist index and use the same case as HWCODEC
12:41:22Nico_PI didn't includ that in the patch
12:41:34Nico_Plet me find the line
12:41:56Nico_Ppondlife: ~827
12:42:16Nico_Puse playlist_get_display_index() instead of id3->index+1
12:42:45Nico_PjhMikeS: I think my patch makes it simpler but it can still be simplified
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12:43:31jhMikeSNico_P: I was just making a general comment about playback, not commenting on the patch.
12:43:34Nico_Pespecially track skipping... would it be correct to tweak ci.new_track in audio_slip (which is run on the UI thread)?
12:43:42Nico_PI know :)
12:44:13jhMikeSci.new_track runs on the codec thread too
12:44:58jhMikeSthe codec would immediate try to jump tracks
12:45:00Nico_Pyes but would it be ok for the UI thread to write it? currently there's a queue message being posted so that it is written by the audio thread
12:45:30Nico_Pwritten being incremented or decremented in that case
12:45:59Nico_PI think it would help with skipping responsiveness and would make the process a bit simpler
12:46:24Nico_Pit would also allow getting rid of wps_offset for that case
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12:49:54*pondlife wonders if the audio thread could be scrapped completely.... ?
12:52:04jhMikeSI guess if audio responds to Q_AUDIO_CHECK_NEW_TRACK in the proper way (whatever that may be)
12:52:05pondlifeNico_P: It rebuffers when I select a buffered track in the playlist viewer, I think SVN did too though...
12:52:16Nico_Pit did
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12:55:41jhMikeSpondlife: I'm not sure that would simplify anything - perhaps it would have to opposite effect.
12:56:02pondlifeSeems whatever happens to playback.c it has the opposite effect :p
12:56:31jhMikeSNico_P: that manner in which the skipping and next track stuff is handled between thread is abundantly unclear :0
12:57:39pondlifejhMikeS: Nico_P made some notes on IRC a couple of days ago, I suggested thay are wikified
12:57:50jhMikeSQ_AUDIO_CHECK_NEW_TRACK should probably send the info in the data parameter instead of changing ci.new_track
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12:58:51jhMikeSmost of this code was written before sync messages and so hacked around it
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12:59:32Gartralwhy wont the dockpod Aqua theme download from the theme maneger part of rbutil?
13:00:15preglowjhMikeS: oy
13:00:29preglowjhMikeS: am i wrong in saying that the eq is never initialized or reinitialized anywhere?
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13:00:51Gartrali get HTTP error 400
13:01:16Gartral(no access, if i remember my HTTP error code right)
13:01:18Nico_PjhMikeS: yeah it's a ping pong game
13:01:31Nico_PI said I'd make a diagram
13:01:41Nico_PI want to stress I didn't write it though :)
13:02:35preglowi think dsp should have a hook on playback stop, so we can zero out filter histories and the like
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13:04:06Gartralmay i get confimation the room heard meh?
13:04:08krz2Nico_P: hi! i've just made gui for checkwps. any feedback or advice? thi link is the comment to the application
13:04:41Nico_PjhMikeS: good idea (passing the data in the param). I'll use it when I go back to rewriting audio_check_new_track... what about incrementing ci.new_track in audio_skip?
13:04:51Nico_Ppondlife: how do you find responsiveness on unbuffered skips?
13:05:10Nico_Pkrz2: I'll go check it out ASAP
13:05:11pondlifeA bit quicker
13:05:23pondlifeNot massively so, though
13:05:28jhMikeSNico_P: actuall, why not just flag that message originated with the codec and process entirely on the audio thread?
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13:05:51Nico_Ppondlife: there is data to be loaded, don't expect miracles ;)
13:06:14pondlifeNico_P: It might feel less responsive because the WPS playlist index stays at 1
13:06:39Nico_Ppondlife: you just need to change the wps code as I indicated earlier
13:06:43pondlifeAh, sorry
13:06:45Gartralwhy wont the dockpod Aqua theme download from the theme maneger part of rbutil?
13:06:55Gartrali get HTTP error 400
13:07:07Nico_Ppondlife: but audio_current_track might need a bot of adapting too
13:07:24Nico_PI have something in store to make it not hit the disk when dircache is off
13:07:25GartralNico_P: Bit?
13:07:40Nico_PGartral: I have no idea
13:08:10Gartralyou said "need a bot" i was correcting you
13:08:44Nico_PjhMikeS: I don't see what you mean... audio_chec_new_track is called on the audio_threa
13:09:02Nico_Pand I was thinking of manual skips which are triggered by audio_skip on the UI thread
13:09:32Nico_Pand then audio_initiate_track_change on the audio thread
13:10:01jhMikeSNico_P: see codec_load_next_track
13:10:51Nico_Pah, you mean things like codec_track_skip_done should be moved to the audio thread ?
13:11:00jhMikeSthat queue_send's Q_AUDIO_CHECK_NEW_TRACK but messes with two variable and it really has no reason to at all
13:11:09Gartralso does anyone care that the theme im trying too download isnt downloadable too my sansa e250?
13:11:26jhMikeSNico_P: no only the modification of variables
13:11:55Nico_Pci.ne_track and automatic_skip? yes, I have an idea on how to get rid of them
13:12:15jhMikeSlines 1159-1171 should really be on the audio thread
13:13:12jhMikeSmaybe not the logf but...
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13:13:47Nico_PI agree
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13:14:32Nico_Pwhen I finish with the buffering stuff I'll deal with that and audio_check_new_track
13:15:26jhMikeSthen only audio controls the contents of those variables and codec is simply a reader (to know when to call back).
13:16:29jhMikeSactually a single ci variable with an action return would be enough instead of all these flags that codecs watch
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13:17:15Nico_Pan action return? I don't understand what that would be
13:17:34Nico_Pyou mean it would be an enum with action codes?
13:18:07Gartralis my issue known... or should i submit it too flyspray?
13:18:43jhMikeSif the variable is set (one flag telling the codec to call back for more info), it calls a single callback routine that returns "check new track" or "exit" or whatever
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13:19:45Nico_Pah, right... wouldn't the enum do the same thing in a simpler way though, or would it create possible race conditions?
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13:20:18Gartralyou ask people too tell you when they hit a bug... but you never answer me when i report one... this isnt good for gettingmore people too use your wonderfull code
13:20:20jhMikeSperhaps it can just do all the processing and tell the codec what it should do re: decoding then it would be simpler even
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13:21:03Nico_PGartral: sorry. have you tried other themes? is it just that single one?
13:21:47Gartralyes.. i just re downloaded every one excluding Dockpod Aqua orig
13:21:58Nico_PjhMikeS: also you haven't told me what you think of moving the ci.new_track inc(dec)rementation to audio_skip
13:22:13Gartrali get HTTP error 400 when trying to download it with rbutil
13:22:21Nico_PGartral: then it's probably a problem on the server side rather than a bug
13:22:38Gartralits been this way since m1.0.2...
13:22:44Gartralin rbutil
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13:23:01Nico_Pah, then it might be a bug triggered by something special with that theme
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13:23:24jhMikeSNico_P: My suggestion came from looking into it :) and what should probably be done before even doing that (moving that code out of codec_load_next_track)
13:23:27Gartral(hasnt tryed earlyer... seeing as he hasnt had a Rockboxable DAP for that long)
13:24:08Gartralwell... howcome you havent noticed it till now?
13:24:23Nico_Pbecause we don't install themes often maybe
13:24:33Nico_Pit's an ipod video theme, isn't it?
13:24:43jhMikeSthe problem comes that a manual skip can be transformed into an automatic skip near the end of a track which isn't right
13:24:44Gartralno... Sansa e200 seris
13:25:22jhMikeSa manual skip should have higher priority afterall
13:25:44Nico_PGartral: the space in the name might cause a problem. a bug report on FS is in order I guess
13:26:08Gartralevery other theme downloads and works... thats the weird par
13:26:25Nico_PGartral: probably the space not being handled properly
13:26:49Gartralwouldnt that be the case with every theme with a space then?
13:27:07Gartralwich would be alot of them
13:27:10Nico_PjhMikeS: I agree. I'll try to spend some time on that part today
13:27:15Nico_PGartral: I don't see many
13:27:32Nico_PI mean in the filename, not in the theme's title
13:28:49Nico_Pkrz2: would you mind reminding me your name?
13:29:07Nico_PjhMikeS: nice work on the S btw :)
13:30:47*Nico_P bbs
13:30:55Gartralshould i file it under RBUtil... or WPS?
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13:34:22Gartralwow... did i really confuse you all that badly?
13:35:55Gartralwelll... its definatly RBUtil side... i just downloaded it from the site, no probs
13:37:51Gartraland why are there themes on site that arnt in RBUtil?
13:37:51jhMikeSNico_P: thanks. handling the PMU properly is a major chunk of that port.
13:39:55jhMikeSNico_P: btw, have you gotten "unhandled IRQ in irq_handler" when untarring?
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13:41:43Gartralwhy must i fight devs for such minimal attention?
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13:42:44LinusNGartral: file it under rbutil
13:43:00krz2Nico_P: Rostislav
13:43:58Gartralty... finally
13:45:12pondlifeGartral: You're not fighting anyone. There aren't many rbutil devs though -
13:45:19pondlifeI don't see any here at the moment
13:45:40pondlifeHence, pop it on Flyspray and they can pick it up
13:47:52LinusNbut *we* are fighting those annoying users that use our code and find bugs in it :-)
13:48:19*pondlife raises a pitchfork
13:48:28Gartralim at least kind enough to post it AFTER asking you if its a current bug
13:48:29*jhMikeS lights a torch
13:48:50*Gartral brings out his uzis
13:48:56*pondlife throws a copy of playback.c at the user
13:49:04Nico_PjhMikeS: I never got the IRQ thing, but I also didn't upgrade to your changes yet
13:49:21jhMikeSNico_P: this is with an SVN bootloader
13:49:29Gartralinstead of some who posted it BEFORE
13:49:44*Gartral nods twords the golden quotes section
13:50:00pondlifeProblem is, nobody here knows the answer to your question, so you get silence.
13:50:17pondlifeThe logical alternative is 128 x "No idea, sorry."
13:50:33pondlifeSorry, 127, you wouldn't respond to yourself :)
13:50:45Gartralit would be nice if i were at least reconised... or shown some form of "ok... no answer.. sorry"
13:51:10Nico_Pkrz2: ok, thanks. we also have a Krzysztof and go figure why I thought it was you ;)
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13:51:19Gartralnot total silence like Vista trying too load a program built for Win98
13:52:59Nico_Pkrz2: ah, I'm going to have to ask for the source. first because I use linux, and also because I want to see it :)
13:53:55Gartraland just a random feature request in the Rockbox Player... AN AM/FM radio chip/tuner would be nice
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13:54:41jhMikeSshortwave radio? gamma ray burst detector? :P
13:55:59GartralLOL... not a total Shortwave radio... (though that might be cool), but a CB tuner would definatly be cool
13:56:13Nico_Pthat requires hardware AFAIK
13:56:32krz2Nico_P: as soon as i will finish "showing checkwps output" and clear the sourse, i will upload it :-)
13:56:40Gartraland a high gain antenna
13:56:51Nico_Pkrz2: ok, thanks. binaries aren't any good to me
13:57:25Gartralok... im done making insane request (unless youed like too implement a TV tuner)
13:58:00pondlifeNico_P: With your patch, I get a hard lock at natural end of playlist too
13:58:15Nico_Ppondlife: ah, didn't know about that one. thanks
13:58:32pondlifeAh, not a hard lock - the hold switch is being read...
13:58:48Gartralcould you all clear something up for me... when you lock your DAP... what exactly does it turn off and leave on?
13:59:39pondlifeIt just ignores the keyboard, and can be configured to turn off the backlight.
14:00:17pondlifeNico_P: I need a pin to shut down though :/
14:00:44Gartraldoesnt it turn off the whole screen and LCD controller, too?
14:00:46Nico_Pyes. I think I know roughly what happens... sorry about that :/
14:03:02pondlifeGartral: No
14:03:15Gartralcus when reactivated... it shows a white flash for like, 3 milliseconds...
14:03:26Gartralthen brings up the screen
14:04:13pondlifeHmm, maybe it depends on the device
14:04:31*jhMikeS ok, now where the PMIC GPIO interrupt hiding?
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14:12:49webguest79my mistake, wrong channel, sorry
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14:13:15krz2Nico_P: 2 or 3 targets will be enough? surely it can support all targets =)
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14:14:44gevaertskrz2: if adding more targets is just filling in some data without doing anything different, I don't think it's worth doing that for this task
14:15:27gevaertsOf course, if you want to do it, go ahead ;)
14:18:02gevaertskrz2: could you also add a comment with the times and dates I asked for ? We have to talk to a lot of people, and the sooner we have this, the sooner we can work out the schedule
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14:30:31krz2gevaerts: you mean the time it was done?
14:31:41krz2or something else?
14:31:52gevaertskrz2: yes. We'd like to have some kind of 'interview', and we need to schedule those
14:32:46krz2gevaerts; ah, so the time is the same as that comment, later i will add the time more
14:34:14gevaertsThe task doesn't need to be finished when we hold the interview
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14:44:19Nico_Ppondlife: does end of playlist consistently cause a lockup for you? I haven't seen it yet
14:44:48pondlifeOnly hit it once yet
14:44:54pondlifeI should try shorter albums... :)
14:45:28Nico_Pit might be the same issue as the stop one
14:46:43pondlifeVery likely
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14:55:15Nico_Pah, got it on the sim :)
14:55:19Nico_Phard to get though
14:55:34Nico_PXlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x85)!
14:55:57pondlifeWow.. memory corruption?
14:56:14Nico_PI don't know, maybe
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15:15:08DerPapstwow... that mazezam commit makes it almost unplayable on ipods at least....
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15:21:46LambdaCalculus37DerPapst: I haven't gotten to try the new commit yet. How bad is it?
15:22:30Nico_Pgevaerts: the ipod seems to block something as soon as I mount it... it takes something like 1 minute before I can write anything to it
15:22:49Nico_Pand also my CPU graph display freezes for as long
15:22:54gevaertsNico_P: are you using high speed and a hub ?
15:23:03Nico_PI'm using full speed and no hub
15:23:27gevaertsfront or back port ?
15:23:53Nico_Pit's a laptop, so I don't know. maybe "front". I'll try others
15:25:35Nico_Ppondlife: for some reason, the audio thread gets stuck in audio_stop_codec_flush and keeps yiedling forever
15:26:26Nico_Pgevaerts: I switched to one of the back ports and it's not making any difference
15:26:41gevaertsDo you get errors in dmesg ?
15:27:21Nico_PI think the OF does the same thing though
15:27:39Nico_Pbut still, it's weird and very annoying
15:28:30gevaertsare you running some sort of automounter with fancy gui features ?
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15:28:56Nico_Pyeah, KDE displays a popup and mounts the disk for me
15:29:38Nico_PI'll try to mount it manually
15:30:01pondlifeNico_P: What, audio_codec_loaded stays true?
15:30:26Nico_Ppondlife: I think it becomes true again before that code is reached, yes
15:30:45pondlifeA job for logf.
15:31:10pondlifeI wonder if audio_codec_loaded could be scrapped with use of queue sends?
15:32:33pondlifeAnother bit of global variable hell there. :)
15:33:51Nico_PI think that'll be another cleanup if I can avoid doing it now :)
15:34:20pondlifeSometimes the only way is to pull the loose thread..
15:36:43pondlifeMaybe the pcm stuff can all occur on the codec thread?
15:37:00pondlifeMaking audio_stop_codec_flush() redundant..
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15:38:23Nico_PI've found a solution that involves clearing the codec queue in audio_stop_playback
15:38:31Nico_Pthere were some messages left
15:40:42jhMikeSNico_P: owey...that's harsh
15:41:50Nico_Pyes. I need to find why all those messages were sent in the first place
15:45:37Nico_Pit seems I'm being a bit too liberal with start_play
15:49:07DerPapstLambdaCalculus37: i don't like it at all :-)
15:49:26DerPapstLambdaCalculus37: if i have some time i'll manually revert parts of it.
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15:51:17LambdaCalculus37DerPapst: Okay.
15:51:36*LambdaCalculus37 reminds himself to update his build tonight from the SVN trunk
15:54:26DerPapstLambdaCalculus37: the old menu is entirely gone and i think of making a mixture of the old menu and the new one using a viewport for the new menu and i'll revert the use of pluginlib_actions.
15:54:54Nico_Pgevaerts: manual mount doesn't change anything either
15:55:02LambdaCalculus37DerPapst: Sounds like a good plan. Once it's ready, let me know and I'll give you some feedback.
15:55:28DerPapstwill take some time. but if i have something i'll put it on FS
15:56:06gevaertsNico_P: strange. Do you have high speed ports ? Maybe trying a high speed build would help
15:56:50Nico_Pgevaerts: did you see when I said the OF (ie disk mode) did the same thing, though?
15:58:14gevaertsNico_P: do you have other UMS devices to try ?
15:58:27Nico_Pstill the same with high speed.
15:58:31Nico_Pgevaerts: the sansa works fine
15:58:44Nico_Pthe gigabeat acts weird too, but differently
15:59:16Nico_Pthis one mounts fine but makes kded roof my CPU usage
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16:00:41Nico_Ppondlife, jhMikeS: I found a cleaner fix, but it involves a global var, to communicate the value of start_play from audio_load_track to audio_finish_load_track
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16:01:05pondlifecleaner fix rarely involves a new global.... :)
16:01:30pondlifeI suppose play commands can't overlap..
16:01:52gevaertsNico_P: I'm suspicious about there being no dmesg errors. That really makes it sound like a host-side problem to me
16:01:54Nico_PI don't really see how I can do better now that the two parts of audio_load_track are separate
16:02:21Nico_Pgevaerts: could it be some kind of disk scan that takes long because of fill speed and the massive HD?
16:03:02gevaertsCould be. Could you try mounting it sometime without kde running ?
16:03:27Nico_Pok, I'll try
16:03:58Nico_Pbut could the fact that my CPU graph freezes indicate that the scan is happening at a lower level than KDE?
16:04:16Nico_Pthat's the only occasion where I ever see that thing freeze
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16:05:01LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Just to confirm something: for r17071, you said that the iPod video doesn't need the ATA locking hack. Does this mean that CF cards work right off the bat on iPod videos?
16:05:06gevaertsIt's most probably io bound. That can basically make anything freeze
16:05:20LambdaCalculus37Or is it regarding something else?
16:05:35peturLambdaCalculus37: something else
16:06:09LambdaCalculus37petur: Ahh, okay. I was a tiny bit confused by it at first.
16:06:55LambdaCalculus37So what does it pertain to, then?
16:08:50peturI think the way the driver is locked for multiple threads
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16:09:05Nico_Ppondlife: want to try an updated version?
16:09:22pondlifeOK, but in a while
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16:11:14LambdaCalculus37petur: Ahh.
16:11:16amiconnpetur: I'll hopefully soon know whether your CF fixes work for ipod mini :)
16:13:59*amiconn ordered a 32GB CF card yesterday
16:14:12peturaslow one?
16:15:16Nico_Ppondlife: no rush. for when you're ready
16:15:33pondlifeThanks. I need to eat first
16:16:13jhMikeSLamdaCalculus37: I don't know about CF cards but there's no oddball problems like reported with the 60/80
16:18:13pondlifepetur: Did I miss any news on the H300 bootloader ATA failure?
16:18:30peturno :(
16:18:32LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Thanks for verifying. :)
16:18:41pondlifeI saw the MR thread...
16:19:40peturpondlife: I'm doing small incremental changes in debugging to reliably spot up to where it runs ok
16:20:10peturamiconn: not bad at all!
16:20:37pondlifepetur: It's very touchy though, right? i.e. the problem goes away if you printf...
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16:21:19peturwell the behaviour changes easily. Last night I had a priv exception for the first time
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16:22:56*petur went back to v5 for daily use
16:23:15DerPapst144EUR... not bad.
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16:23:36*petur wishes he had seen that before ordering his 8GB
16:23:43pondlifev5 = no USB bootloader mode, here..
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16:24:03pondlife(plus no charging, RTC or remote startup)
16:24:50markunamiconn: do you think you could organize a devcon in berlin or will it go to stokholm again?
16:28:37pondlifeNico_P: That seems better - does it fix the STOP crash too?
16:28:45Nico_Ppondlife: yes
16:29:00Nico_PI only fixed the stop crash and the next track info
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16:30:15pondlifeSo not much more to fix?
16:30:31*pondlife might be brave enough to enable auto-dir-change
16:30:50Nico_Pno, the last thing I know of is the first unbuffered track
16:31:05Nico_Pwhen you reach the end of buffered tracks, the next track info won't show up
16:31:16pondlifeAh, ok
16:31:59Nico_Pthen I'll have some cleanup to do
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16:32:43pondlifeSynced playlist index change is a later issue, right?
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16:34:17Nico_Pah yes, I need to fix that of course
16:34:40Nico_PI don't want to change gwps-commonc.c in my commit
16:34:46pondlifeThat's after you've worked on audio_check_new_track() then...
16:35:05Nico_Pbut for now I need to update id3.index correctly
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16:35:18Nico_Pbtw, the most noticeable improvement should be multiple unbuffered skipping
16:36:01pondlifeIt's definitely better
16:37:33Nico_Pthat's because it really concentrates on one track at a time
16:37:40pondlifeI've only tried on H300, I should add
16:37:57Nico_Ppreviously it would load all metadata at once and at the same time try to buffer audio
16:38:12pondlifeFighting with itself a little?
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16:41:25Nico_Pyes, exactly
16:41:38pondlifeNico_P: It's vastly faster when using auto change dir, and skipping backwards
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16:41:55markunthis player doesn't look too bad:
16:45:34gevaertsmarkun: when will you start ?
16:46:48markunThe OF doesn't seem so bad
16:47:04amiconnDerPapst: 131EUR, including shipment
16:47:51markungevaerts: but I'm curious what's inside :)
16:48:07gevaertsmarkun: buy one and find out ;)
16:48:13markunnah :)
16:49:22LambdaCalculus37markun: I've seen that player before. Best Buy stores here in the U.S. sell them.
16:50:11LambdaCalculus37To be honest though, the OF on them is rather aggrivating after a while.
16:50:48gevaertsGood :) Where would rockbox be without bad OFs ?
16:52:27LambdaCalculus37Nowhere. :)
16:53:19*LambdaCalculus37 sees that lowlight added the MI4 for the SA9200 to /bootloader/main-pp.c
16:53:46*gevaerts starts an online petition to urge DAP manufacturers to provide bad firmware
16:54:11*petur walks over to the bar to have a beer before the weekend
16:54:22LambdaCalculus37A friend of mine has the GoGear HD6330; time to get a firmware update an the mi4 key so she can get into the fun. :)
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16:57:22markunLambdaCalculus37: could you ask in such a store if you could open up a player to check what's inside before you decide to buy it? :)
16:58:07gevaertsmarkun: they might say yes, thinking that you mean the packaing ;)
17:00:45LambdaCalculus37markun: Better yet... buy one and immediately tear it open right in front of them. :)
17:00:59LambdaCalculus37And I mean "open the DAP itself".
17:01:28gevaertsAnd then ask for a refund because it's broken ?
17:01:50LambdaCalculus37"This firmware sucks! Give me a refund!" :P
17:02:19*LambdaCalculus37 sees the HDD6330 MI4 on Bagder's page and sees it needs the BL to decode
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17:03:12LambdaCalculus37Ahh, crud. =/
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17:07:46kekcHi all!
17:08:04markunhi kekc
17:08:07*kekc need help with rockbox install.
17:08:30*linuxstb needs a question before he can give an answer
17:09:00kekcI don't know why, but ipod patcher dont see my iPOD :(
17:09:08linuxstbWhat kind of ipod is it?
17:09:13kekcsorry 4 my ban english
17:09:17kekcIpod nano 4gb
17:09:26LambdaCalculus371st or 2nd generation?
17:09:31linuxstbor 3rd?
17:09:37kekcI don't know what gen it is
17:09:38linuxstbCan it play videos?
17:09:42kekci can show pic
17:09:45LambdaCalculus37What does it look like?
17:09:52GodEatera pic would be good
17:09:53kekconly music & photos
17:09:57kekc1 sec
17:10:01LambdaCalculus37Plastic front and shiny back, or all metal body.
17:10:43kekcfull metalic body
17:10:51LambdaCalculus37That's why it doesn't see it.
17:10:52linuxstbThat's a 2nd generation nano - Rockbox doesn't work on it
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17:11:05kekcfuck :(((
17:11:18LambdaCalculus37And may never work on it.
17:11:44LambdaCalculus37Unless someone can successfully decrypt the original firmware.
17:12:26kekcI just wanted to do something with that ipod. Don't like def interface ;((
17:12:55LambdaCalculus37kekc: Go on eBay and buy a supported iPod.
17:13:06LambdaCalculus37Or buy any supported player.
17:13:14markunwe now at least have the documentation for the CPU in the nano 2g (same as the meizu m6)
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17:13:58LambdaCalculus37markun: PM
17:14:13kekco.k ;) Thanks.. bb!
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17:38:39belze_i just noticed, that with the latest build on my sansa e200, its not possible to go backward anymore. if you push the button, it shortly shows the name of the track before, but then jumps to the next track
17:38:49belze_could it be that my config is somehow messed up?
17:40:34gevaertsbelze_: there have been changes in playback code recently. If it doesn't work on the latest build, you might want to submit a bug report
17:41:31belze_ok, i will do so
17:41:45Hiddengevaerts: I've just found your usb-serial logf() code
17:41:55Hiddengevaerts: is that actuall usable?
17:42:07gevaertsHidden: on linux it is
17:42:11Hiddengevaerts: I'd like to do some debugging on an iriver h10
17:42:33gevaertsHidden: did you look at ?
17:42:57Hiddengevaerts: no, I didn't find that page in the wiki-maze :)
17:43:01Hiddengevaerts: thanks for the link
17:44:47Hiddengevaerts: I have serious problems with the scrollpad on my h10 so I'd like to see debug messages
17:45:56gevaertsHidden: the logf() specific paragraph on that page should contain all you need.
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17:46:56moosHidden: scrollpad is far from perfect, there are already attempts to impove things on the tracker (don't remenber FS#)
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17:47:41Hiddengevaerts: yep, I've found out the steps to enable it in rockbox but I didn't know how to set it up on my desktop...
17:48:17Hiddengevaerts: compiled ok, I'll give it a try this evening
17:48:23Hiddengevaerts: thanks for your help
17:48:50gevaertsgreat. I'll be online most of the evening if you need more help
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17:53:00toffe82gevaerts: it seems that low_light found the bootloader of the sa9200 :)
17:54:54LambdaCalculus37toffe82: Now the fun can begin. :)
17:55:26toffe82who else has a sa9200 ?
17:55:36LambdaCalculus37Not I.
17:56:03moostoffe82, LambdaCalculus37: spotted the fun with the beast? ;)
17:56:23toffe82no with the philips sa9200
17:57:25LambdaCalculus37moos: I'm still waiting for my beast to arrive. ;)
17:57:48mooshehe, let's the fun arrives then ;)
17:58:20toffe82it seems that we will have 2 more player working soon
18:00:20moosalways more and more, let's talk the rockbox's supremacy :)
18:02:19toffe82the philips sa9200 can be found cheap, around 30 or 40 $ I think
18:03:05*LambdaCalculus37 only sees one on eBay for $84.99 USD
18:04:16pixelmaDerPapst: reading logs... is there anything specific broken in the mazezam controls on the Ipod or very weird or do you have another reason you want to revert pluginlib actions?
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18:05:16linuxstbpixelma: How is the Ondio?
18:05:42pixelmahaven't tried anything yet
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18:30:36*XavierGr just received his Sansa c240
18:31:09XavierGrhow can you tell if it is a version 2? just check the firmware version?
18:31:37markunfrom what I understand that should be a good way to find out
18:32:23XavierGrfrimware version: 01.01.05P
18:32:33XavierGrI suppose that means it is a v1?
18:32:57XavierGrGreat! Let me Rockbox that thing then :)
18:33:02markuninstall rockbox and you will know for sure
18:33:04markunyes :)
18:33:19pixelmayes, but that is one without the MSC mode _setting_ in the OF... there are several ways to get it though
18:33:40BigBambimoos: Yes, I saw - exciting :)
18:33:49XavierGrA very pleasant surprise is that it supports Greek Menus on the OF
18:34:04XavierGrnot that I would ever use that, but it is the first mp3 player that offers such a thing
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18:34:52XavierGrthe player has a big word on its back saying REFURB
18:35:08XavierGrit came wihtout any box and just the usb cable and phones
18:35:20XavierGrI won't be bitchy though I bought it for just 23 euros
18:35:23scorche|shREFURB is a sticker
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18:35:39scorche|sha few stickers, in fact
18:36:25XavierGryes it seems you are right, though difficult to remove them they are well sticked to it
18:36:41scorche|sheh...a well placed fingernail works finr
18:36:56salty-horsecan anyone with a sansa e200 confirm this? 1) play a playlist. 2) when the last song ends and it returns to the main menu, the wheel won't work unless you click the "select" key
18:37:12moosBigBambi: indeed, very exciting :)
18:38:32XavierGrheh it even has 5 audio tracks in it, strange
18:39:00XavierGrunfortunately the OF isn't colourblind friendly
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18:49:27XavierGrehm does anyone have a link of the msc sansa c200 firmware, the one on the wiki is broken
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18:55:03amiconnXavierGr: Do you know any reallly user friendly OF? ;)
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18:57:58LambdaCalculus37amiconn: The closest I could think of would be the Rio Karma.
18:58:13*gevaerts steals an l from amiconn (he seems to have plenty)
18:58:52XavierGramiconn: indeed, very rare instance
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19:00:36*amiconn never saw a Karma
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19:01:34amiconngevaerts: Want some more? They're on discount today ;)
19:01:58gevaertsOne will do, thanks ;)
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19:03:00LambdaCalculus37amiconn: One of very few players that I've seen that plays Vorbis and FLAC natively, and has some very unique features like file transfer over ethernet.
19:03:05XavierGrc200 must have one of the worst colour lcd displays
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19:03:30LambdaCalculus37XavierGr: Yes, it's rather blurry and hard to see under some lighting conditions
19:03:44amiconnXavierGr: Well, it's the only passive matrix colour LCDs (i.e. DSTN, not TFT) among our targets
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19:04:15gevaertsXavierGr: I recommend the "old" rockbox_default over cabbiev2 on c200
19:04:30toffe82the philips also is blurry, with the OF
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19:04:51XavierGrgevaerts: I will give them both a try as well as iCatcher
19:04:59LambdaCalculus37That's not another passive matrix LCD, is it, toffee82?
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19:05:41XavierGryay just booted rockbox! :)
19:06:15XavierGrcan I delete the tmp and system folders?
19:06:36gevaertsThey will come back everytime you boot the OF
19:06:56XavierGrah nice, that means I will never boot the OF
19:07:23amiconnYou'll need to for USB
19:07:32moosyou will have to use the USB stack then
19:07:42mooshehe :)
19:07:48*gevaerts goes to hunt some food
19:07:50LambdaCalculus37Unless you compile your own and try the experimental stack we have. :)
19:07:50amiconnUnless you plan on using the USB stack - but that may cause data corruption due to the SD driver
19:08:16amiconn...and it might not work on all USB ports
19:08:27XavierGrah completely forgot about that, well I will try to use the USB stack and see what happens
19:08:36LambdaCalculus37amiconn: The high speed USB stack appears quite stable. It's the full speed stack that's still shaky.
19:08:56amiconnWell, high speed works for me on root ports *only*
19:09:19amiconn(I don't have the SD problem as I only have hdd-based PP502x targets)
19:09:58XavierGrI have to try the USB stack to input some feedback on the matter
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19:11:45pixelmamost of our USB stack developers have a c200 (started on it). I wonder why... not
19:12:29Horschtwait, gevaerts made hi-speed working, but full speed doesn't yet?
19:12:40Horschtnice one
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19:12:50Horscht(hi speed being the faster one, correct?)
19:13:30BigBambiHorscht: Both work
19:13:59BigBambiYou select whether to enable high speed (the fast one) or not with a separate define
19:14:08Horschtyeah, but the "harder" one better, obviously
19:14:10linuxstbshotofadds: Hi, do you know if there are any photos of a disassembled D2 DAB anywhere?
19:14:16BigBambiHorscht: why?
19:14:39amiconnWell, last time I tried fullspeed, it worked better than highspeed
19:14:54shotofaddsNot that I know of. I haven't even opened mine.
19:15:55linuxstbshotofadds: I'm just curious to know if the DAB module is the same as the logik dax...
19:16:22shotofaddshow much do you know about the module in the dax?
19:16:33shotofaddsi wonder if I can get any clue from the OF disassembly
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19:17:21linuxstbI've described it a little here -
19:17:24toffe82LambdaCalculus37: I don't know I didn't find any documentation on the lcd
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19:18:52shotofaddsI'll see what I can find out, but DAB isn't really my top priority at the moment...
19:19:47linuxstbshotofadds: Don't waste time on it - it's just curiousity... I'm sure we'll find out eventually.
19:23:44shotofaddslinuxstb: I'm curious about the D2's "DAB" because the case is physically marked "DMB", and the DAB/DMB firmwares are interchangeable.
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19:30:35XavierGrthe usb jack is a rather unfortunate choice in the c200
19:30:52XavierGrI wonder who had the idea to put such a proprietary and big jack in this small player
19:31:06XavierGra standard usb minib jack would be perfect
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19:31:32scorche|shwell, saying that in here isnt going to fix anything...
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19:32:12XavierGrno it won't I am just sharing my opinion with other users on my newly bought audio player
19:32:31XavierGrand plese don't redirect me to rockbox-community for a one-liner
19:32:59*scorche|sh sees 3 lines ;)
19:33:21XavierGrwell you asked for them :P
19:33:33scorche|shi did?
19:33:56XavierGrah sorry
19:34:09XavierGrnevermind you are right about the 3 lines
19:34:40linuxstbshotofadds: I don't know much about DAB or DMB. but it seems that DMB is the Korean adaption of DAB and is broadcast as a "DAB data stream" (according to wikipedia...)
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19:41:02amiconnXavierGr: The proprietary sansa connector is exactly the same as the ipod connector, only the guiding profiles at the sides are different
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19:41:37salty-horsecan anyone with a sansa e200 confirm this? 1) play a playlist. 2) when the last song ends and it returns to the main menu, the wheel won't work unless you click the "select" key −− is this intentional? some sort of "lock"?
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19:41:50amiconnIirc you can plug an ipod cable into a sansa, but not vice versa. I wouldn't recommend to try that though...
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19:45:59amiconnI don't know why Sandisk did this - maybe the connectors were cheap...
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20:42:49XavierGramiconn: many manufacturers use proprietary connectors to earn more money. They will sell a cheap USB cable 10-20 euros just because you don't have a choice and you can't find the connector elsewhere.
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20:46:39*scorche|sh is one of the wierd folk who like proprietary connectors (provided he can source some connectors for them)...get all the goodies like line in, line out, usb, power, perhaps serial, etc ...these manufacturers wouldnt bother including most of these if they just used a standad mini USB plug
20:47:07LloreanI like things with a standard connector *and* a proprietary connector, like the Gigabeat.
20:47:11*BigBambi likes both, like on the gigabeat
20:47:38BigBambiOf course, that works best on the slightly larger players
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20:47:59LloreanActually, the Cowon D2 is like that
20:48:01LloreanAnd it's pretty small
20:48:06scorche|shyes, but given the choice...and considering we are talking about a c200...
20:48:23LloreanIt uses a very small proprietary connector, about the same size as the USB plug in it.
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20:56:47herrwaldoI've had to buy yet another sansa c250 (lost it) ... and am happy to inform you that V1's are still beeing sold at SATURN in antwerp
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21:00:04*n1s is happy to see SPI driver for the gigabeast, great work jhMikeS! :D
21:00:05low_lighttoffe82: lookie here
21:00:37n1slow_light: congrats!
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21:00:46bertrikis that first light for a new port?
21:01:10Nico_Pn1s: hopefully USB is next :)
21:01:26n1sNico_P: that would be awesome :)
21:01:38Nico_Plow_light: what player is that?
21:01:54low_lightphilips sa9200. Basically a e200 sans radio and sd slot
21:02:23low_lightI didn't expect the sansa ata driver to work, but it does
21:02:42gevaertsIncluding its bugs ?
21:03:03low_lightof course :)
21:03:25gevaertsYou could have left those out ;)
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21:04:44low_lightwhere's the fun in that
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21:08:30low_lightamiconn: did I see where you were going to reorganize the target/arm directory?
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21:09:34low_lightthis philips sa9200 it would fit if I renamed the target/arm/sandisk to target/arm/pp5024
21:09:45low_light^fit best
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21:10:41gevaertslow_light: IIRC c200 is 5022, not 5024
21:10:58BigBambixQTFTQX: Please do not use all caps, and be more specific
21:11:46low_lightgevaerts: pp5022 + as3514 = pp5024
21:12:04gevaertslow_light: that's cheating ;)
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21:24:50LambdaCalculus37low_light: Wow, very nice! You got the Sansa bootloader to run on the GoGear! :)
21:24:55*LambdaCalculus37 hands low_light a beer
21:25:48shotofaddspfft, these PP targets are all the same :p
21:26:22LambdaCalculus37shotofadds: Not all. The Karma is PP-based, but doesn't use mi4.
21:26:33LambdaCalculus37It's based on eCos.
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21:45:06low_lightshotofadds: I was going to try to help your port. I had gotten a Clix2 (same SoC as D2) off ebay, but it turned out to be defective so I sent it back. I'm still looking.
21:45:22BHSPitMonkeygevaerts, so, what's the deal with "the talk" this weekend? When should I come in?
21:45:34BHSPitMonkeyOh wow, just got an e-mail from you.
21:45:48BHSPitMonkeyWeird timing.
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21:46:54bertrik"the talk"?
21:46:57gevaertsBHSPitMonkey: I'm trying to assemble all data we need to schedule everything
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21:47:29BHSPitMonkeyOkay, so between 1 and 5 central. I can do that.
21:47:45shotofaddslow_light: I'm surprised there hasn't been much interest in the Clix2. I think it's very similar hardware-wise (SoC and flash, at least).
21:47:50bertrikoh, GSoC I suppose
21:47:55gevaertsbertrik: right
21:47:56BHSPitMonkeyTomorrow or Sunday would be best, as I'll be home with nothing to do (except for that plugin).
21:48:04shotofaddsI need someone with a fresh pair of eyes to have a look at the NAND driver (hehe...)
21:48:12gevaertsBHSPitMonkey: thanks
21:48:53BHSPitMonkeygevaerts, I'll be BHSPitLappy over the weekend, so messages to BHSPitMonkey may get lost. (So you know)
21:49:16gevaertsBHSPitMonkey: I'll send mails out with the final schedule info
21:49:19BHSPitMonkeyOr, at least, lost until I look through my logs when I get back.
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21:49:31BHSPitMonkeygevaerts, sounds good.
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22:33:21pixelmafinally :D
22:34:03mooscongrates or your works
22:34:26gevaertsYou mean the homepage is safe now ?
22:34:26moos+f of course :)
22:34:58moosI think she spoke about wps conversion?
22:36:10pixelmagevaerts: you mean pagelong svn tables?
22:36:23gevaertspixelma: of course :)
22:37:06pixelmaheh, who knows... but I don't have plans atm
22:37:36krz2gevaerts: hi! what is with interview?
22:37:49pixelmamoos: thanks :)
22:38:14gevaertskrz2: what I said in the comment : we would like to schedule an interview, so we need to know when you are available
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22:40:43toffe82pixelma: is there a gain in size with the new bmp system ?
22:40:48krz2gevaerts: i will be avialable tommorow from 20.00 UTC till 24. or it is also possible in the morning
22:41:15krz2gevaerts: and what will be the talk about? :)
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22:43:33gevaertskrz2: we have lots of applications, and we want the best ones. The task is part of that, the interview is another.
22:43:52pixelmatoffe82: the important thing is that you need to load a lot less bitmaps in most cases (even though those bitmaps are larger) so it will be faster when loading/booting or even unpacking the zip. The pure amount of data should be about the same but I also tried to optimise things when I saw something (e.g. using a viewport instead of a frame bitmap in H300 "boxes"
22:45:15pixelmait's also nicer and less confusing to not have so many bitmaps in the svn directories
22:45:19krz2gevaerts: and will the given task influence on something?
22:46:48scorche|shkrz2: eh?
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22:47:35Bagderkrz2: it's just a means for us to get to know more about you and your suggested application, to help us "judge"
22:48:20krz2scorche|sh: the task to make sample gui application to validate wps
22:48:28dajavaxhey anyone know if with the release of the pwnage tool for ipod touch... there is a chance of making rockbox for it?
22:48:51krz2Bagder: ok, i see
22:48:55Bagderdajavax: sure is, if anybody wants to
22:50:40dajavaxhopefully someone do
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22:51:44*Bagder won't bet on it
22:52:10low_lightBagder: can you update mi4code with the sa9200 key I committed earlier today
22:52:52Bagderyes, I'll do that!
22:52:56dajavaxme neither
22:57:03toffe82low_light : it seems it was to easy for you ;)
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23:07:51low_lighttoffe82: just lucky that the ata driver for the e200 works as is
23:08:25Bagderlow_light: so how much is working atm?
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23:12:14low_lightI imagine everything except the lcd & buttons/touchpad
23:12:36low_lightwell, all the GPIO pins are different, so that needs to be worked out too
23:13:00gevaertskrz2: does it have to be tomorrow, or could you also manage the sunday, monday or tuesday ?
23:13:39low_lightMy quick attempt at an lcd driver seems ok in the bootloader, but doesn't work when booting Rockbox (I get a white screen)
23:14:07peturgrrr... did an h300 bootloader upgrade and it still boots the previous version :/
23:14:26toffe82low_light: when wil you put it on svn ?
23:14:28low_lightI'll have to start with a clean target instead of just modifying the e200
23:14:40*petur should print a version id when testing to make sure he's testing the correct version
23:16:17Bagdermi4code updated on the site
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23:17:33*petur slaps forehead - mkboot on wrong bin file :/
23:19:02low_lighttoffe82: don't know...sooner rather than later ;)
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23:20:06low_lightI'm tempted to stick it in the target/arm/sansa directory because it would be easier
23:20:29low_lightor rename that to target/arm/pp5024
23:20:58Bagderalthough the c200 isn't pp5024...
23:21:33gevaertslow_light: target/arm/saxxxx ? (sansaC, sansaE, sa9200 would match that...)
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23:21:55low_lightyes, gevaerts said too, but I contend that pp5022 + as3514 = pp5024
23:21:57Bagderpp502xams ! ;-)
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23:24:04low_lightI thought amiconn and/or jhMikeS had some ideas on cleaning up the target/arm directory
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23:36:01*n1s has a sort of working rtc driver for the gigabeast :)
23:36:26*Bagder sort of likes drivers
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23:37:35BigBambin1s: coolio :)
23:38:40n1swell it works but if I set the time with gnomad it shows up as 18 nov 2006 in rockbox...
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23:40:57peturyay, an new error... stkov this time :/
23:41:02toffe82gevaerts: low_light is right the pp5024 is a 5022 + something from Austriamicrosystems
23:41:31toffe82The PP5024 integrates the power enhancements, performance, system input/output, and display features of the PP5022 with all of the major analog subsystems necessary to produce a high capacity NAND flash personal media player, which was developed jointly with Austriamicrosystems AG.
23:42:02*petur is now 90% sure the crash is ata.c related
23:43:19gevaertstoffe82: I'm not opposed to this naming scheme, it's just that I think it's slightly confusing if you're a casual passer by
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