#rockbox 2008-04-11

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#rockbox log for 2008-04-11

00:00:07	bughunter2	preglow: the one torvalds describes as flawed and he avoids it to keep out bad programmers :/
00:00:15	preglow	people should avoid torvards
00:00:18	bughunter2	i agree
00:00:19	preglow	torvalds <- :)
00:00:37	bughunter2	what is that smiley
00:00:48	bughunter2	preglow: how about that new language they're developing ? C++ox or something
00:00:48	Bagder	line noise? ;-)
00:00:59	preglow	he's your standard opinionated programmer
00:01:02	bughunter2	heh sorry :P i'm going to bad anyways :)
00:01:03	*	scorche\|sh pushes a few people towards #rockbox-community
00:01:10	bughunter2	bad/bed
00:01:30	preglow	bughunter2: it'll just be a more complex c++, but anyway, let's discontinue this chat here
00:01:36	bughunter2	true
00:01:45	bughunter2	thanks :)
00:01:48	bughunter2	i'm going to bed, goodnight
00:01:52	preglow	have fun :)
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00:02:03	daveberg	disorganizer, you still here?
00:02:11	bughunter2	;)
00:05:34	daveberg	I suppose not...
00:08:23	preglow	jhMikeS: ahoy?
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00:12:49	bertrik	gevaerts: I think I found some other USB registers that use clear-on-write and are currently cleared incorrectly
00:13:16	gevaerts	which ones ?
00:13:26	bertrik	REG_ENDPTSETUPSTAT and REG_ENDPTCOMPLETE
00:14:33	bertrik	I changed the code to clear them properly and USB still works
00:14:54	*	gevaerts looks in the datasheet
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00:16:31	bertrik	I'm not sure if it actually fixes a reported bug, but I think we should fix it anyway
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00:17:07	gevaerts	bertrik: I think you're right. Can you commit the fixes (also the REG_USBSTS one) ?
00:17:26	bertrik	yes I can
00:17:55	gevaerts	I don't think it matters right now, since I usually have only one endpoint in use, but in more complex cases this will go wrong
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00:20:16	bertrik	gevaerts: I'll do a few more tests (see if it also works on full-speed) and commit it in ten minutes
00:21:15	gevaerts	sure. I'm now suspecting endptprime as well
00:25:01	bertrik	gevaerts: shall I hold off the commit?
00:25:20	gevaerts	no, go ahead. I can commit this once I've tested a bit more
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00:26:05	preglow	jhMikeS: is the eq ever currently reset? doesn't look like it
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00:36:05	preglow	saratoga: did you decide to drop the h264 app?
00:37:52	amiconn	bertrik, gevaerts: usb-drv-pp502x.c line 709 looks suspicious to me, given line 708...
00:38:21	saratoga	preglow: yes I've become less interested in it
00:38:50	Nico_P	pity
00:39:02	saratoga	i'll probably just poke around with mpegplayer in my spare time
00:39:03	preglow	saratoga: i've got to be honest and say i think that's the application most likely to end up in useful code, though
00:39:13	preglow	i've got a feeling porting rockbox to an app can be frought with perils
00:39:13	bertrik	amiconn: it basically clears all bits in the end point interrupt register, then processes all bits that were set
00:39:33	bertrik	I'm not 100% sure that this is the proper order, but it looks ok
00:39:48	gevaerts	I think it's correct.
00:39:48	saratoga	preglow: I thought the opposite, since the app code is already apparently working on some device
00:39:58	saratoga	worst case we'd bring that into SVN at least
00:40:14	saratoga	and hopefully remove the non-GPL stuff (if any)
00:40:14	preglow	saratoga: have you tried it?
00:40:21	saratoga	i don't have that phone yet
00:40:32	preglow	i'm kind of curious on how well the sdl simulator style threading works on an actual device
00:40:59	saratoga	i'm not very familar with SDL
00:41:03	saratoga	whats the concern?
00:41:14	preglow	rockbox threads are cooperative, most other thread implementations are not
00:41:15	bertrik	gevaerts: yes, I think so, any new bit that might get set while processing all endpoints will cause a new interrupt so no interrupts are lost
00:41:27	gevaerts	exactly
00:41:34	preglow	so threads are serialized, as far as i know, which might not be the best alternative performance-wise on limited targets
00:41:49	preglow	it's kind of a hack anyway
00:41:52	gevaerts	bertrik: the remaining problem I seem to have is that now and then prime_transfer() fails with -2 or -3
00:41:54	saratoga	aren't threads always serialized on single processor machines?
00:42:22	preglow	saratoga: well, yeah, in a way, but the sim adds another layer
00:42:41	saratoga	you mean overhead from SDL?
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00:42:56	preglow	it uses proper threads instead of rockbox threads, but prevent any of them from running at the same time, waiting until threads have yielded, rockbox style
00:43:01	preglow	anyway, i might be wrong, i'd ask jhMikeS about it
00:43:04	*	bertrik is going to sleep now
00:43:23	gevaerts	goodnight
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00:47:12	*	pixelma thinks that the svn table on the frontpage looks way too short...
00:47:53	preglow	saratoga: btw, what kind of a cpu does the port target have?
00:48:08	gevaerts	pixelma: go ahead :)
00:48:15	*	amiconn thinks pixelma is about to change that :)
00:48:44	*	gevaerts buys a bigger screen to be able to see the next commit
00:48:46	pixelma	just a bit of testing still but am about to change that
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00:52:01	saratoga	preglow: intel x-scale
00:52:12	preglow	saratoga: clock?
00:52:17	[TiZ]	Hey, guys... Did the combination for turning off the player change?
00:52:19	saratoga	400MHz
00:52:24	preglow	decent
00:52:29	preglow	[TiZ]: what player?
00:52:32	saratoga	theres also some other arm core and a DSP but i don't know if those are accessible
00:52:34	[TiZ]	iPod
00:52:37	preglow	[TiZ]: no
00:52:39	[TiZ]	Shoulda been more specific
00:52:42	preglow	keep play pressed
00:52:43	preglow	that's that
00:52:49	saratoga	x scale is superscalar right?
00:52:50	[TiZ]	Holding play doesn't seem to be doin' anything.
00:53:03	preglow	saratoga: don't know, really
00:53:21	preglow	[TiZ]: works fine for me, shrug
00:53:36	[TiZ]	Huh. Well, hope it works next time I start Rockbox.
00:53:55	Shaid	it wont turn off if you have it plugged into a charge, just incase you've done that.
00:54:06	[TiZ]	Nah, it's not plugged in
00:54:14	[TiZ]	And it doesn't think it's charging.
00:54:26	[TiZ]	Like that last time
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00:57:35	saratoga	preglow: anyway I'm just not sure i'd have enough time to get the H.264 decoder into proper shape
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00:58:07	saratoga	its a much more complicated format then wma was, and i know less about video, and don't have the benefit of ulimited free time this summer
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01:02:08	saratoga	actually these moto phones look like they'd make good rockbox targets
01:03:53	saratoga	(full) SD card slots, fast CPUs, lots of IRAM, ARMv5 w/ DSP extensions
01:03:57	preglow	saratoga: at least i expect h264 will be less fumbling around than with wma
01:04:02	preglow	saratoga: no floating point madness going on that i can see
01:04:11	saratoga	yeah its natively fixed point
01:04:12	gevaerts	Just to check that I'm not loosing it : udelay() is microseconds, right ?
01:04:15	preglow	as a matter of fact, i think the h264 spec goes to some length to avoid floats
01:04:21	preglow	what with the integer transform and all
01:05:18	saratoga	i'd like to work on it, but i have a feeling i'd just leave it 80% done
01:05:25	DavidSG	I am trying to compile my test program, and it says "emun playlist is not delared in apps\status.h:22" i look into the file and the declaration for it is 9 lines after it is first called, is it possible that this works only in c but not in c++?
01:05:28	amiconn	gevaerts: yes - and it's blocking, so only use it for short delays
01:05:32	saratoga	like the wma decoder only worse
01:05:42	preglow	well, it is a comprehensive format
01:05:45	preglow	so i really can't argue
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01:05:57	preglow	and of course, you have to work on what you're motivated to
01:06:17	saratoga	not to mention the fun of getting (good) aac support if we really want it to be useful
01:06:34	preglow	ffmpeg will have a new aac decoder commited soon :)
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01:06:43	saratoga	yeah but its FP
01:06:49	preglow	deed
01:06:56	saratoga	and i'd much rather fix faad then port it to fixed
01:07:01	preglow	but i've somehow got this feeling it won't be hard to fixed pointize
01:07:12	Llorean	Yeah, since our AAC codec gives up with files starting at approximately the same length you'd want for movies.
01:07:24	preglow	faad is so large and unwieldy
01:07:31	preglow	and it chugs memory like mad
01:07:37	saratoga	thats our parser i think, which we'd keep even with the ffmpeg decoder
01:07:49	saratoga	it could be fixed i think
01:07:55	saratoga	get rid of all the ifdefed code
01:08:02	saratoga	then it'd be readable
01:08:04	saratoga	and go from there
01:08:09	Llorean	I imagine the parser would have to be fixed for h.264 to work
01:08:23	saratoga	also, my dream of a combined wma/aac imdct and windowing code
01:08:27	[TiZ]	This is so weird. Why can't I shut down my iPod?
01:08:32	preglow	well, i'd actually like to work on aac
01:08:37	gevaerts	DavidSG: quick hint : you need to tell the compiler that that is a C header. Try googling for things like C header C++ code
01:08:47	[TiZ]	I know it's not my iPod, because you could shut down with Underground build.... even though it always resulted in data abort.
01:08:47	preglow	i should just look over the ffmpeg code and get an overview
01:08:54	preglow	so i can have a look at the faad code afterwards and untangle
01:09:01	preglow	should get inspiration from the helix code too
01:09:02	*	gevaerts isn't going to give a straight answer ;)
01:09:05	saratoga	preglow: take a shot at it one of these days and i'll probably help you out
01:09:16	saratoga	also, you can get books and specs for aac
01:09:57	saratoga	i actually used an mpeg book for figuring out the wma decoder
01:10:13	preglow	we'll see, if i end up getting a d2, i'll probably have porting duties for quite some time
01:10:25	preglow	but the shape of the aac codec is really bugging me
01:10:26	saratoga	haha
01:10:37	saratoga	yes it is rather silly that no one has worked on it
01:10:37	DavidSG	gevaerts: thank you
01:10:50	saratoga	we should agree on what to do though
01:11:04	saratoga	remove all the ifdef code from faad and take another look at it maybe?
01:11:07	Llorean	AAC has gotten a little love from Lear now and again, but mainly that's been for the parser I think.
01:11:11	*	DavidSG wonders how that was not a straight answer
01:11:26	*	gevaerts could have just said what to type and where
01:11:31	DavidSG	i prefer people tell me how to learn thing then tellme how to do things
01:11:55	DavidSG	prefer when*
01:12:31	saratoga	theres actually a lot of obvious stuff to fix in faad, the imdct rotation code for instance is line for line like the ffmpeg version i started with in the wma codec, so all the optimizations could be copied in
01:12:49	gevaerts	DavidSG: This is one of those things where you just have to know that there's some magic involved I guess, then it's easy to find
01:13:01	saratoga	we could also remove all the look up tables for odd ball mpeg profiles and add the wma windowing ASM code
01:13:13	amiconn	Bagder: The front page script seems to be a little confused regarding time zones
01:13:34	amiconn	It still says 'Today' for the latest wiki edits...
01:13:45	preglow	saratoga: i don't believe that's compiled in as it is
01:13:51	preglow	saratoga: but of course, a cleaner source tree is always nice
01:13:56	saratoga	yes
01:13:58	amiconn	Also latest commits etc
01:14:08	saratoga	i have expect to find a 100KB look up table compiled in somewhere
01:14:09	preglow	saratoga: what i've noticed, though, is that faad seems to allocate memory all over the place, and especially in sbr code
01:14:14	saratoga	"half expect"
01:14:36	preglow	huge buffers seemed to be spread all over last i checked
01:14:47	saratoga	i don't have the slightest clue how SBR works, so i can't say if thats bad
01:15:10	preglow	i actually synced our faad to their latest release, but i just couldn't be bothered to move their buffers around enough to make it work on target again
01:15:36	saratoga	do they actually have any worthwhile improvements?
01:15:44	DavidSG	gevaerts: well this magic is helpful, thanks again
01:15:46	preglow	saratoga: it's just a multiband complex qmf with additional massaging
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01:15:50	preglow	saratoga: "just"
01:16:07	preglow	saratoga: some, they actually removed a buffer i could see \o/
01:16:10	*	gevaerts doesn't like the fact that a udelay(5) in a theoretically non-critical place makes the USB stack behave badly
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01:17:02	preglow	saratoga: anyway, the helix decoder uses waaaay less memory than faad for the same task, so it has to be possible
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01:18:51	saratoga	ok well i'd appreaciate any comments on my proposal
01:18:57	saratoga	but now i'm off to get some work done
01:19:13	preglow	good luck on that
01:19:27	Nico_P	saratoga: it seems fine to me
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01:19:35	preglow	i don't really have much more to add than i've said
01:22:24	*	Nico_P is starting to be very pleased with the results of playback/buffering rewrok
01:24:08	Nico_P	unbuffered skipping is much more responsive
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01:25:32	Llorean	Woo!
01:26:35	Nico_P	there are still a few regressions I need to fix but it's shaping up nicely
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01:31:55	*	gevaerts notices that the svn table on the frontpage has grown a bit :)
01:32:52	Shaid	only a smidge
01:33:15	pixelma	:) could have been better though
01:33:56	Nico_P	yeah, why not fix all WPSs in one commit :p
01:34:34	amiconn	urgh
01:34:53	Nico_P	I agree, just kidding :)
01:34:57	*	amiconn spots a pluginlib actions :(
01:35:06	Nico_P	ah
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01:35:34	amiconn	Those need to be killed, not promoted
01:35:37	zicho	is there anyway to make rockbox display lyrics?
01:35:47	Nico_P	if we don't want them to be used we need to remove them
01:36:13	Nico_P	the concept is nice and not everybody knows the implementation is borken
01:36:18	Chronon	zicho: there's a patch on the tracker if you're interested in that
01:36:53	amiconn	Nico_P: The idea was nice, but it turned out the concept cannot work nicely
01:36:54	zicho	Chronon, whats the tracker? NEwest code available, or something?
01:37:58	Chronon	zicho: The links called "patches" "bugs" and "requests" in the sidebar of the website will take you to the tracker.
01:38:25	zicho	Ah, okay. Thx
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01:39:27	amiconn	It works as long as the plugin uses single contexts only. Combining contexts makes it break severely on some targets - and unlike with literal button definitions, this major breakage goes unnoticed -> BAD
01:39:28	pixelma	and why are the people who commit pluginlib actions stuff not around by the time they do? </half-kidding, half-serious>
01:39:34	zicho	it would be nice if you could make rockbox scan through your database and then download the lyrics for each song. Or perhaps just scan through some directories
01:41:13	Soap_	There is no free and legal database of copyrighted song lyrics.
01:42:11	Soap_	That is point one. Point two is that some tasks are far better served by a fast computer with internet access than a slow music player without internet access.
01:47:24	pixelma	Nico_P: speaking of PLA - did you try pictureflow on your c200 now (maybe tried to move through the songlist of an album)...? ;)
01:47:49	Nico_P	pixelma: I tried it but didn't move in the songlist
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01:49:56	pixelma	roolku: did you make sure that mazezam is as controllable as before on all targets? (but actually I have no time to discuss, need sleep :\ )
01:50:12	roolku	I see the potential problems with chained context, however in my opinion the advantages outway the disadvantages
01:50:50	roolku	pixelma: the same actions are used in two other plugins
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01:51:15	roolku	this is simply up/down power
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01:52:12	pixelma	I know that in some button action plugins the controls are slightly (or even worse) broken. Try metronome on the c200 for example
01:52:40	roolku	I know about the problematic examples
01:53:11	roolku	anyway, I'll let you sleep and go to bed myself :)
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01:55:21	pixelma	clock had a quirk on c200 before when it only combined generic_actions and generic_directions... :\|
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01:56:28	pixelma	only... and I bet not all quirks are known
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02:05:29	zicho	hm, rockbix utility keeps telling me my configuration is invalid, when its not. The search path to the player is correct, and the correct model is chosen
02:05:58	zicho	i click "autodetect" but it still tells me something is wrong
02:06:25	zicho	nvm, found out what the problem was
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02:10:43	zicho	how do i install a patch?
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02:16:11	Soap_	Unlike "fixes" for binary programs you might be used to from the Windows world, in this instance "patch" refers to a modification of the source code. What you do is download the patch, apply it to your local copy of the source code, and then compile the source code.
02:16:36	zicho	Ah
02:17:27	Soap_	There is a very nice selection of articles walking you through this process step-by-step in the wiki. I _believe_ they are under the "For Developers" section. Believe me, the fact I was able to use said documents to teach myself speaks volumes on their clarity.
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03:39:26	Mophead	Oi'
03:39:56	Hillshum	why isn't anything RB runs on still made?
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03:44:15	scorche	recently, we supported the ipods and the sansa devices when they were being produced...but it just depends on the device
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04:30:12	DavidSG	I just finished my gsoc test, gonna make it prettier and post it online
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04:36:40	scorche	DavidSG: where online?
04:38:33	DavidSG	nevermind i got a false positive(it is not working yet), and i guess the website i listed on my project description.
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04:44:43	DavidSG	I am getting the exact same results as the checkwps tool. What i don't understand is that an executable file is passing the parser test
04:47:24	DavidSG	ok it is working just not how i expected it to.
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05:33:05	webguest59	hi all
05:33:22	webguest59	fast question
05:33:34	DavidSG	shoot.
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05:33:42	webguest59	does your ipod have to be FAT32 to install rockbox?
05:33:49	webguest59	sorry, im new
05:33:53	krazykit	it does.
05:34:02	webguest59	dang...
05:34:20	webguest59	haha no wonder when i installed it on my macpod it said no partiion found
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05:34:31	krazykit	you can convert it to fat32 in one of two ways: find a windows machine with itunes or use the manual method
05:34:48	webguest59	that gets rid of all my music though right?
05:34:58	krazykit	yeah.
05:35:06	webguest59	ill have to back up then
05:35:47	webguest59	well for now, how do i get rid of rock box so i can access my ipod without it telling me no partition found?
05:36:15	krazykit	the manual explains how to boot into the OF; i don't know off-hand
05:37:17	webguest59	thanks all :)
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05:48:58	[TiZ]	Hey, I've noticed that when you set your backdrop using the context menu, that selection's not actually saved and when you restart, you have the same backdrop you did before switching.
05:49:02	[TiZ]	Is this behavior intentional?
05:52:24	Llorean	It's only saved if your backdrop is in the backdrops folder
05:52:50	[TiZ]	So it is intentional. Why is it set up that way?
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05:54:17	Llorean	It's intentional, but not exactly what you described.
05:54:25	Llorean	You can set it with that option, and have it save, if it's in the right place.
05:54:33	Llorean	It's just the way paths are saved, I believe
05:59:54	[TiZ]	Why does it have to be in that place, though? .rockbox isn't exactly easy to get to. It's hidden unless you tell rockbox to show hidden directories.
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06:00:20	[TiZ]	See, what I'm trying to do is make it so users of my theme can switch backgrounds on a whim
06:03:21	Llorean	Well, most of the theme system is supposed to be handled solely by .cfg files, really
06:03:29	Llorean	originally though, it was a technical limitation.
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06:03:48	Llorean	That limitation is gone, but the theme system is evolving in a new direction anyway.
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06:29:41	[TiZ]	I apologize for frequently going afk.
06:29:47	[TiZ]	And unnanounced, at that
06:30:38	[TiZ]	anyways, as for the theme system evolving, will that eventually include saving background changes made from the context menu?
06:31:02	[TiZ]	I'd rather not force users of my theme to make .cfg files for every background they might want to use
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06:35:43	Llorean	I think it's more likely that, because of viewportification, backdrops will become unavailable from the context menu entirely since the layout of menu and various other viewports will mean backdrops will need to be defined for those viewport sizes.
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06:50:17	webguest043G30Gb	When last I left you all, I could not get the iPod to boot properly because it said rockbox.ipod not found. I have finally resolved that problem by running the rb utils from a Windows box. The problem I had last night is gone. Now, I have another problem. When booting, the Apple logo comes up and then the screen goes blank and the backlight stays on. I have searched the forumns for a solution to th
06:52:57	[TiZ]	Well, I'm headed to bed.
06:53:00	[TiZ]	'night, guys.
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06:54:05	webguest043G30Gb	Is there a way (from the web client) to tell who's on right now?
06:56:05	scorche	look on the right side
06:56:12	krazykit	lots are on, you just may not be able to tell who's not away from the keyboard. regardless, please have patience in waiting for a reply :)
06:57:19	webguest043G30Gb	Plenty o' patience, just learning... So, everyone on the right is on? I thought that was a list of all users (I was thinking it was a small group)
06:57:48	scorche	well, they are all "on"...just may not be "here"
06:58:04	scorche	"here" being at their keyboards looking at the channel...
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07:00:30	webguest043G30Gb	Many references to key sequences on the ipod refer to MENU + SELECT. On the 3G ipod, this does nothing for me. Confirm that for this model, it should be MENU + PLAY (this is the model with the four buttons across the middle)
07:00:44	khermans	anyone know a way for my Rockbox iPod to work hooked up to my Kenwood receiver that has an "ipod and usb interface"
07:00:46	khermans	?
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07:01:00	khermans	supposedly it can read from a USB flash drive
07:01:16	khermans	however, i get "ipod error" when I put it in "disk mode"
07:02:04	scorche	webguest043G30Gb: yup
07:03:29	scorche	khermans: that is more of a kenwood issue than a rockbox issue, but i would /guess/ that it would recognize it as a USB device properly when USB mode is enabled in SVN builds
07:03:31	khermans	has anyone here used rockbox with their car stereo usb interface?
07:04:00	khermans	of course it probably is a kenwood issue
07:04:10	khermans	but i meant to know if someone might know a workaround
07:04:18	khermans	scorche, why would the latest svn build help?
07:04:24	khermans	scorche, i think my build is from january
07:04:57	scorche	i didnt say the latest SVN build would help...i said it when USB support is enabled in SVN builds
07:05:14	khermans	scorche, when will that happen?
07:05:24	Llorean	When it's done.
07:05:29	scorche	we dont really try to guess dates
07:05:46	khermans	Llorean, what are the requirements to finish?
07:06:16	scorche	khermans: when we have made sure it works properly...
07:06:19	Llorean	khermans: "when the people working on it figure out why the bits of it that don't work yet aren't workign"
07:06:52	khermans	Llorean, can i be a tester of it man? i am also a programmer
07:06:56	khermans	i have an 80gb
07:07:27	Davide-NYC	I just recieved a fairly beat up gigabeat from ebay. :( does anyone kno what files are required to stay in the GBSYSTEM folder other than "FWIMG01.DAT"?
07:07:36	scorche	khermans: just enable it in the source code and compile your own build
07:07:39	Davide-NYC	I'm having trouble booting Rockbox
07:08:19	Llorean	It also needs FWIMG00.DAT and FWIMG02.DAT if I recall correctly, but they can be empty files
07:09:01	khermans	scorche, nice −− will do!
07:09:20	Davide-NYC	Urghh, I purchased an F20 and it has a 10GB HD in it. :(
07:09:22	khermans	scorche, is it some #DEFINE ?
07:09:31	scorche	yes
07:09:39	khermans	scorche, is this documented somewhere?
07:09:46	scorche	search...
07:09:52	khermans	ill grep it sure
07:10:00	khermans	"usb" is pretty lame search term though :-)
07:10:22	scorche	search our documentation..
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07:12:20	ambulance	can someone tell what im doing wrong real fast?
07:13:26	ambulance	anyone here?
07:13:32	webguest043G30Gb	driving without a license?
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07:13:39	cool_walking_	yes, there are pretty much always people here
07:13:45	cool_walking_	but you have to ask a question...
07:13:46	ambulance	ok well
07:14:57	ambulance	im trying to install themes. i copy all the files into the appropraite folders in my ipod. when i select browse themes and then select a theme, it doesnt really load right. all it does really is load the back ground. what am i doing wrong?
07:14:58	khermans	is this the latest source? -> http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-source/rockbox.7z
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07:15:20	scorche	you could use svn too
07:15:23	webguest043G30Gb	YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rockbox boots on my 3G!!!!!!
07:15:31	cool_walking_	ambulance: The WPS is probably broken.
07:15:34	scorche	ambulance: the theme likely has errors
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07:16:03	webguest043G30Gb	I just went back and installed EVERY theme (previously only had 3 installed). It's like magic!!!
07:16:09	ambulance	this has been with every theme i try though
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07:16:46	scorche	ambulance: then every theme you try are likely either broken or require patches
07:17:10	ambulance	hmmm...ok. i wish i could find a good one that worked then :(
07:17:20	khermans	btw, i am a rockbox donor
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07:19:29	Davide-NYC	Llorean: it needs something other than the FWIMG files. I just copied everything back and it's fine, but it would be nice to know what can and cannot be dumped.
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07:21:43	Llorean	Davide-NYC: I have one with just the FWIMG files, so I'm pretty certain that's all it needs...
07:21:55	Davide-NYC	wierd
07:22:13	scorche	01, 02, and 03?
07:22:38	Llorean	Actually, I think I might have a fonts folder too.
07:22:53	Llorean	There's a .zip on the wiki with all the necessary dummy files, anyway
07:23:02	scorche	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/GigabeatFXPort/GBSYSTEM.zip
07:23:50	Davide-NYC	thanks for the link but my port 80 is blocked for the next few hours (long story)
07:24:08	scorche	there is also http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/GigabeatHelp/GBSYSTEM.zip in the wiki, but.....oh :)
07:25:45	*	khermans hopes rockbox builds on ubuntu hardy ...
07:26:02	webguest043G30Gb	I thank you all for your help. I'm off to put some tunes on my rockbox! Bye! :)
07:26:02	*	khermans crosses fingers
07:26:15	scorche	khermans: did you set up the cross compilers?
07:26:21	khermans	scorche, yea
07:26:23	khermans	for arm
07:26:29	scorche	ah...then you should be fine
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07:31:20	Davide-NYC	night all
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07:46:22	khermans	scorche, is the 80GB ipod the 3G, 4G, or Video option for building?
07:46:35	scorche	video
07:46:44	khermans	scorche, thx
07:47:39	khermans	scorche, would i do an (A)dvanced build ?
07:47:44	scorche	no
07:47:59	khermans	scorche, i dont need to make the #DEFINE edit until the Make right/
07:48:00	khermans	?
07:48:17	khermans	there is nothing in the configure stage to change, correct?
07:51:26	khermans	there are way too many #DEFINE usb* to grep through here :-(
07:52:02	khermans	damn there is tons of code here
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07:52:19	khermans	you rockbox devs are crazy crazy
07:52:22	khermans	!!
07:52:42	scorche	didnt i say to search the documentation? =/
07:53:07	khermans	scorche, the wiki?
07:53:14	*	scorche nods
07:53:19	scorche	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb
07:53:54	scorche	(sorry...i was already there....you can search next time ;)
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07:55:21	khermans	lol
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07:58:04	*	scorche wonders about http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/JesusChrist
07:59:23	khermans	scorche, here goes −− compiling :-)
07:59:40	khermans	i went with fill speed, not high speed and logf()
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07:59:54	LinusN	scorche: i knew he was alive! ;-)
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08:00:39	Nico_P	and he's French :)
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08:02:10	khermans	scorche, so does this option allow the USB to receive SCSI commands while plugged in or something
08:02:11	khermans	?
08:03:09	*	khermans tries to figure out what the damn Kenwood is doing...
08:04:59	khermans	wow compiled fast!
08:05:04	khermans	testing time!!!
08:07:50	*	khermans trots off to BMW...
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08:11:46	khermans	scorche, nope didnt work
08:12:35	*	khermans needs to sadly return to the Apple firmware just to make his new stereo happy
08:12:44	scorche	no aux in?
08:13:12	khermans	scorche, i bought this Kenwood specifically for the ipod interface
08:13:32	khermans	when then specs said it would work from any USB drive, i assumed too much
08:13:51	khermans	im told the Kenwood will accept a USB drive with files on it
08:14:28	khermans	however, for some reason the ipod in "usb mode" fails to work
08:14:34	khermans	"disk mode" i mean
08:14:37	scorche	well, you might want to wait till the USB support is finished...i have no idea what it could be doing atm....but at least you got some experience in building ;)
08:15:00	scorche	wait...were you trying in disk mode or rockbox's usb mode?
08:15:04	khermans	scorche, ive built foss apps from source millions of times...lol
08:15:09	khermans	both
08:15:19	*	scorche shrugs
08:15:22	khermans	when in rockbox, i just plugged in the USB cable
08:15:35	khermans	scorche, i got the little USB plug icon when that happened
08:15:42	khermans	i assuem this is the proper mode
08:15:52	khermans	scorche, was there something else i should have done?
08:15:58	khermans	like turning on some option?
08:16:39	scorche	i think it should Just Work (well, work in the state it is in), but to be honest, i havent even tried it myself...been working on other things
08:16:51	khermans	scorche, thats cool −− whatever
08:17:03	khermans	it just goes to prove to me again that proprietary stuff sucks
08:17:17	khermans	which i have known for a long time now, and keep reaffirming
08:17:39	khermans	damn Apple dudes were once hackers, and now greedy bastards
08:18:45	mrkiko	khermans: it seem obvious looking at some design details in Apple software...
08:19:27	mrkiko	khermans: I was thinking it particularly looking at how they "ruined" the EFI implementation...
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08:21:50	khermans	mrkiko, yuppers
08:25:49	mrkiko	"yuppers�" I don't understand
08:26:34	khermans	mrkiko, it means "yes", sorry
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08:29:20	mrkiko	:)
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08:43:35	LinusN	my respect goes to pixelma for her work on cleaning up the WPS:es
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08:47:53	mrkiko	is pixelma a female entity?
08:48:35	GodEater	if she weren't, it would be odd for LinusN to refer to her as a "her" n'est ce pas ?
08:48:46	LinusN	:-)
08:49:38	mrkiko	Oh... I was thinking in english
08:49:43	critter-	when is the next song always known ? in a playlist where random is not implemented ?
08:49:54	mrkiko	existed the same way of referring to a male entity as female as done in italian some times
08:50:48	LinusN	critter-: the next song is known to the WPS when the track is loaded into memory (buffered)
08:51:17	LinusN	critter-: regardless of the shuffle setting
08:51:25	critter-	ok thank you
08:51:53	LinusN	i guess you meant the next-track wps tag?
08:51:58	critter-	yes
08:53:06	critter-	LinusN, out of curiosity do standard firmwares typically buffer the next song ?
08:53:14	LinusN	yes
08:54:15	mrkiko	LinusN: Out of curiosity, do you know of an OF that doesn't do this ? (an OF running on a rockboxable player)
08:54:33	Mouser_X	(It'd be uwise not to. It'd be a waste of battery power to have to spin the HDD everytime you needed to load the next song.)
08:54:40	LinusN	mrkiko: i can't think of one
08:54:41	Mouser_X	*unwise
08:54:48	GodEater	it would also make the playback suck even more
08:54:59	GodEater	you'd have to wait at the end of each song for the next one to load up
08:55:15	mrkiko	I was thinking of a flash-base player aniway
08:55:54	LinusN	flash based players naturally don't have the same issues, but i still believe they do some amount of buffering as well
08:56:20	LinusN	i don't own any flash based players
08:56:32	mrkiko	I also...
08:56:41	amiconn	Iirc one of the OFs doesn't seem to buffer the next song.
08:57:30	amiconn	Unfortunately I don't remember which one - didn't use OFs for ages (for playing music that is), with the tiny exception of the iaudio M3 OF
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09:00:20	amiconn	LinusN: Btw, did you read the logs? It seems the frontpage script is a little confused regarding days and timezones
09:00:55	LinusN	amiconn: i'll have a look
09:01:13	amiconn	Last night, it still showed "Today 22:49" etc, although it already was past midnight
09:01:26	amiconn	(1-something)
09:02:09	amiconn	I guess the script wrongly bases its decision for "Today" on UTC, whereas the actual times are CE(S)T
09:02:35	amiconn	So it would be wrong between midnight and 2 AM during CEST
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09:03:10	amiconn	Hmmmmm, or is it all UTC??
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09:04:25	amiconn	Then it would be correct - and it would be helpful to put (UTC) after 'when' in the table heads
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09:55:34	ddalton	hey this is starting to bug me a bit. How do I fix this warning? Its on line 238 of gui/gwps.c when my patch is applied. (I call a function that returns bool...) I want to open a screen... so how should I do this? Sort of like the go_to_rec... what am I doing wrong here? the call to playingtime () in the case... In my patch... Thanks... http://pastebin.ca/raw/980772
09:57:01	ddalton	I'm still studying lots of languages so sorry about my stupid question...
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12:26:49	pondlife	Nico_P: Morning, any testing you'd like doing?
12:27:11	Nico_P	pondlife: hi :)
12:27:26	Nico_P	I can give you the patch, but I know of a few regressions
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12:27:54	pondlife	OK, maybe not worth me running it yet then
12:28:07	Nico_P	I've been using it this morning and it's mostly stable
12:28:22	pondlife	Don't want to waste your time with reports for known issues.
12:28:24	Nico_P	actually it is stable as long as you don't stop after skipping
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12:28:47	Nico_P	what I'd be interested in, though, is if you find skipping to be more responsive thatn with svn
12:29:13	Nico_P	and there could be some regressions I don't know about too
12:29:19	pondlife	OK
12:29:27	pondlife	Pop it on FlySpray?
12:29:51	Nico_P	I'll pastebin it. I don't think I'll put it on flyspray
12:30:58	Nico_P	http://pastebin.ca/980863
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12:32:08	Nico_P	know issues are: next track info not being refreshed on initial load (go into the menu and back for it to appear), it's not loaded for the first unbuffered track either
12:32:41	Nico_P	and also stopping after having skipped will freeze the player
12:32:57	pondlife	Stopping at all?
12:33:12	pondlife	I'll need a pin?
12:33:16	Nico_P	stopping is fine if the buffer isn't being filled
12:33:22	pondlife	Ah, ok
12:33:27	Nico_P	and even when it is, it'll often be ok all the same
12:33:31	pondlife	So wait for buffering before stopping
12:33:49	pondlife	Building...
12:34:04	Nico_P	I've only seen it freeze when stopping right after skipping
12:34:24	Nico_P	I have a pretty good idea why it does, but I haven't had time to fix it
12:36:09	mrkiko	Nico_P: I noticed the playback will restart the same song occasionally again, but only if:
12:36:20	mrkiko	- I press next causing the disk to spin up
12:36:28	mrkiko	- the current track was not totally buffered
12:36:38	mrkiko	Aniway I can't reproduce it reliably.
12:36:47	Nico_P	mrkiko: are you up-to-date? I suspect you aren't
12:36:59	Nico_P	I fixed something similar in r16955
12:37:10	mrkiko	I know...
12:37:32	Nico_P	what version are you running then?
12:37:35	mrkiko	Infact I'm talking about the yesterday SVN release
12:38:12	mrkiko	17066
12:38:16	Nico_P	hmm well I'm in the process of reworking some parts of that code, so hopefully the bug will be gone
12:39:01	mrkiko	Nico_P: why is playback a complex task?
12:40:26	pondlife	Nico_P: The WPS isn't updating it's playlist index at all (even if I go out to the menu and back in)... known issue?
12:40:27	*	jhMikeS thinks it shouldn't be so much - not like it is now anyway.
12:41:12	Nico_P	pondlife: ah yes. in gwps-common.c, remove the #ifdefs for the playlist index and use the same case as HWCODEC
12:41:22	Nico_P	I didn't includ that in the patch
12:41:34	Nico_P	let me find the line
12:41:56	Nico_P	pondlife: ~827
12:42:16	Nico_P	use playlist_get_display_index() instead of id3->index+1
12:42:45	Nico_P	jhMikeS: I think my patch makes it simpler but it can still be simplified
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12:43:31	jhMikeS	Nico_P: I was just making a general comment about playback, not commenting on the patch.
12:43:34	Nico_P	especially track skipping... would it be correct to tweak ci.new_track in audio_slip (which is run on the UI thread)?
12:43:42	Nico_P	I know :)
12:43:53	Nico_P	s/slip/skip
12:44:13	jhMikeS	ci.new_track runs on the codec thread too
12:44:58	jhMikeS	the codec would immediate try to jump tracks
12:45:00	Nico_P	yes but would it be ok for the UI thread to write it? currently there's a queue message being posted so that it is written by the audio thread
12:45:30	Nico_P	written being incremented or decremented in that case
12:45:59	Nico_P	I think it would help with skipping responsiveness and would make the process a bit simpler
12:46:24	Nico_P	it would also allow getting rid of wps_offset for that case
12:46:46	jhMikeS	umm...hmmm.
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12:49:54	*	pondlife wonders if the audio thread could be scrapped completely.... ?
12:52:04	jhMikeS	I guess if audio responds to Q_AUDIO_CHECK_NEW_TRACK in the proper way (whatever that may be)
12:52:05	pondlife	Nico_P: It rebuffers when I select a buffered track in the playlist viewer, I think SVN did too though...
12:52:16	Nico_P	it did
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12:55:41	jhMikeS	pondlife: I'm not sure that would simplify anything - perhaps it would have to opposite effect.
12:55:45	pondlife	hehe
12:56:02	pondlife	Seems whatever happens to playback.c it has the opposite effect :p
12:56:31	jhMikeS	Nico_P: that manner in which the skipping and next track stuff is handled between thread is abundantly unclear :0
12:57:39	pondlife	jhMikeS: Nico_P made some notes on IRC a couple of days ago, I suggested thay are wikified
12:57:48	pondlife	s/thay/they
12:57:50	jhMikeS	Q_AUDIO_CHECK_NEW_TRACK should probably send the info in the data parameter instead of changing ci.new_track
12:58:02	jhMikeS	*codec_load_next_track
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12:58:51	jhMikeS	most of this code was written before sync messages and so hacked around it
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12:59:32	Gartral	why wont the dockpod Aqua theme download from the theme maneger part of rbutil?
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13:00:15	preglow	jhMikeS: oy
13:00:29	preglow	jhMikeS: am i wrong in saying that the eq is never initialized or reinitialized anywhere?
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13:00:51	Gartral	i get HTTP error 400
13:01:16	Gartral	(no access, if i remember my HTTP error code right)
13:01:18	Nico_P	jhMikeS: yeah it's a ping pong game
13:01:31	Nico_P	I said I'd make a diagram
13:01:41	Nico_P	I want to stress I didn't write it though :)
13:02:35	preglow	i think dsp should have a hook on playback stop, so we can zero out filter histories and the like
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13:04:06	Gartral	may i get confimation the room heard meh?
13:04:08	krz2	Nico_P: hi! i've just made gui for checkwps. any feedback or advice? thi link is the comment to the application
13:04:41	Nico_P	jhMikeS: good idea (passing the data in the param). I'll use it when I go back to rewriting audio_check_new_track... what about incrementing ci.new_track in audio_skip?
13:04:51	Nico_P	pondlife: how do you find responsiveness on unbuffered skips?
13:05:10	Nico_P	krz2: I'll go check it out ASAP
13:05:11	pondlife	A bit quicker
13:05:23	pondlife	Not massively so, though
13:05:28	jhMikeS	Nico_P: actuall, why not just flag that message originated with the codec and process entirely on the audio thread?
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13:05:51	Nico_P	pondlife: there is data to be loaded, don't expect miracles ;)
13:06:14	pondlife	Nico_P: It might feel less responsive because the WPS playlist index stays at 1
13:06:39	Nico_P	pondlife: you just need to change the wps code as I indicated earlier
13:06:43	pondlife	Ah, sorry
13:06:45	Gartral	why wont the dockpod Aqua theme download from the theme maneger part of rbutil?
13:06:55	Gartral	i get HTTP error 400
13:07:07	Nico_P	pondlife: but audio_current_track might need a bot of adapting too
13:07:24	Nico_P	I have something in store to make it not hit the disk when dircache is off
13:07:25	Gartral	Nico_P: Bit?
13:07:40	Nico_P	Gartral: I have no idea
13:07:42	jhMikeS	OHELL
13:08:10	Gartral	you said "need a bot" i was correcting you
13:08:44	Nico_P	jhMikeS: I don't see what you mean... audio_chec_new_track is called on the audio_threa
13:09:02	Nico_P	and I was thinking of manual skips which are triggered by audio_skip on the UI thread
13:09:32	Nico_P	and then audio_initiate_track_change on the audio thread
13:10:01	jhMikeS	Nico_P: see codec_load_next_track
13:10:51	Nico_P	ah, you mean things like codec_track_skip_done should be moved to the audio thread ?
13:11:00	jhMikeS	that queue_send's Q_AUDIO_CHECK_NEW_TRACK but messes with two variable and it really has no reason to at all
13:11:09	Gartral	so does anyone care that the theme im trying too download isnt downloadable too my sansa e250?
13:11:26	jhMikeS	Nico_P: no only the modification of variables
13:11:55	Nico_P	ci.ne_track and automatic_skip? yes, I have an idea on how to get rid of them
13:12:15	jhMikeS	lines 1159-1171 should really be on the audio thread
13:13:12	jhMikeS	maybe not the logf but...
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13:13:47	Nico_P	I agree
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13:14:32	Nico_P	when I finish with the buffering stuff I'll deal with that and audio_check_new_track
13:15:26	jhMikeS	then only audio controls the contents of those variables and codec is simply a reader (to know when to call back).
13:16:29	jhMikeS	actually a single ci variable with an action return would be enough instead of all these flags that codecs watch
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13:17:15	Nico_P	an action return? I don't understand what that would be
13:17:34	Nico_P	you mean it would be an enum with action codes?
13:18:07	Gartral	is my issue known... or should i submit it too flyspray?
13:18:43	jhMikeS	if the variable is set (one flag telling the codec to call back for more info), it calls a single callback routine that returns "check new track" or "exit" or whatever
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13:19:45	Nico_P	ah, right... wouldn't the enum do the same thing in a simpler way though, or would it create possible race conditions?
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13:20:18	Gartral	you ask people too tell you when they hit a bug... but you never answer me when i report one... this isnt good for gettingmore people too use your wonderfull code
13:20:20	jhMikeS	perhaps it can just do all the processing and tell the codec what it should do re: decoding then it would be simpler even
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13:21:03	Nico_P	Gartral: sorry. have you tried other themes? is it just that single one?
13:21:47	Gartral	yes.. i just re downloaded every one excluding Dockpod Aqua orig
13:21:58	Nico_P	jhMikeS: also you haven't told me what you think of moving the ci.new_track inc(dec)rementation to audio_skip
13:22:13	Gartral	i get HTTP error 400 when trying to download it with rbutil
13:22:21	Nico_P	Gartral: then it's probably a problem on the server side rather than a bug
13:22:38	Gartral	its been this way since m1.0.2...
13:22:44	Gartral	in rbutil
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13:23:01	Nico_P	ah, then it might be a bug triggered by something special with that theme
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13:23:24	jhMikeS	Nico_P: My suggestion came from looking into it :) and what should probably be done before even doing that (moving that code out of codec_load_next_track)
13:23:27	Gartral	(hasnt tryed earlyer... seeing as he hasnt had a Rockboxable DAP for that long)
13:24:08	Gartral	well... howcome you havent noticed it till now?
13:24:23	Nico_P	because we don't install themes often maybe
13:24:33	Nico_P	it's an ipod video theme, isn't it?
13:24:43	jhMikeS	the problem comes that a manual skip can be transformed into an automatic skip near the end of a track which isn't right
13:24:44	Gartral	no... Sansa e200 seris
13:24:55	Gartral	series*
13:25:22	jhMikeS	a manual skip should have higher priority afterall
13:25:44	Nico_P	Gartral: the space in the name might cause a problem. a bug report on FS is in order I guess
13:26:08	Gartral	every other theme downloads and works... thats the weird par
13:26:11	Gartral	part*
13:26:25	Nico_P	Gartral: probably the space not being handled properly
13:26:49	Gartral	wouldnt that be the case with every theme with a space then?
13:27:07	Gartral	wich would be alot of them
13:27:10	Nico_P	jhMikeS: I agree. I'll try to spend some time on that part today
13:27:15	Nico_P	Gartral: I don't see many
13:27:32	Nico_P	I mean in the filename, not in the theme's title
13:28:04	Gartral	ohh
13:28:49	Nico_P	krz2: would you mind reminding me your name?
13:29:07	Nico_P	jhMikeS: nice work on the S btw :)
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13:30:55	Gartral	should i file it under RBUtil... or WPS?
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13:34:22	Gartral	wow... did i really confuse you all that badly?
13:35:55	Gartral	welll... its definatly RBUtil side... i just downloaded it from the site, no probs
13:37:51	Gartral	and why are there themes on site that arnt in RBUtil?
13:37:51	jhMikeS	Nico_P: thanks. handling the PMU properly is a major chunk of that port.
13:39:55	jhMikeS	Nico_P: btw, have you gotten "unhandled IRQ in irq_handler" when untarring?
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13:41:43	Gartral	why must i fight devs for such minimal attention?
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13:42:44	LinusN	Gartral: file it under rbutil
13:43:00	krz2	Nico_P: Rostislav
13:43:58	Gartral	ty... finally
13:45:12	pondlife	Gartral: You're not fighting anyone. There aren't many rbutil devs though -
13:45:19	pondlife	I don't see any here at the moment
13:45:40	pondlife	Hence, pop it on Flyspray and they can pick it up
13:47:52	LinusN	but we are fighting those annoying users that use our code and find bugs in it :-)
13:48:19	*	pondlife raises a pitchfork
13:48:28	Gartral	im at least kind enough to post it AFTER asking you if its a current bug
13:48:29	*	jhMikeS lights a torch
13:48:50	*	Gartral brings out his uzis
13:48:56	*	pondlife throws a copy of playback.c at the user
13:49:04	Nico_P	jhMikeS: I never got the IRQ thing, but I also didn't upgrade to your changes yet
13:49:21	jhMikeS	Nico_P: this is with an SVN bootloader
13:49:29	Gartral	instead of some who posted it BEFORE
13:49:44	*	Gartral nods twords the golden quotes section
13:50:00	pondlife	Problem is, nobody here knows the answer to your question, so you get silence.
13:50:17	pondlife	The logical alternative is 128 x "No idea, sorry."
13:50:33	pondlife	Sorry, 127, you wouldn't respond to yourself :)
13:50:45	Gartral	it would be nice if i were at least reconised... or shown some form of "ok... no answer.. sorry"
13:51:10	Nico_P	krz2: ok, thanks. we also have a Krzysztof and go figure why I thought it was you ;)
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13:51:19	Gartral	not total silence like Vista trying too load a program built for Win98
13:52:59	Nico_P	krz2: ah, I'm going to have to ask for the source. first because I use linux, and also because I want to see it :)
13:53:55	Gartral	and just a random feature request in the Rockbox Player... AN AM/FM radio chip/tuner would be nice
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13:54:41	jhMikeS	shortwave radio? gamma ray burst detector? :P
13:55:59	Gartral	LOL... not a total Shortwave radio... (though that might be cool), but a CB tuner would definatly be cool
13:56:13	Nico_P	that requires hardware AFAIK
13:56:22	Gartral	lol
13:56:32	krz2	Nico_P: as soon as i will finish "showing checkwps output" and clear the sourse, i will upload it :-)
13:56:40	Gartral	and a high gain antenna
13:56:51	Nico_P	krz2: ok, thanks. binaries aren't any good to me
13:57:25	Gartral	ok... im done making insane request (unless youed like too implement a TV tuner)
13:58:00	pondlife	Nico_P: With your patch, I get a hard lock at natural end of playlist too
13:58:15	Nico_P	pondlife: ah, didn't know about that one. thanks
13:58:32	pondlife	Ah, not a hard lock - the hold switch is being read...
13:58:48	Gartral	could you all clear something up for me... when you lock your DAP... what exactly does it turn off and leave on?
13:59:39	pondlife	It just ignores the keyboard, and can be configured to turn off the backlight.
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14:00:17	pondlife	Nico_P: I need a pin to shut down though :/
14:00:44	Gartral	doesnt it turn off the whole screen and LCD controller, too?
14:00:46	Nico_P	yes. I think I know roughly what happens... sorry about that :/
14:03:02	pondlife	Gartral: No
14:03:15	Gartral	cus when reactivated... it shows a white flash for like, 3 milliseconds...
14:03:26	Gartral	then brings up the screen
14:04:13	pondlife	Hmm, maybe it depends on the device
14:04:31	*	jhMikeS ok, now where the PMIC GPIO interrupt hiding?
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14:05:19	Gartral	sansa E250
14:05:20	webguest79	#ubuntu
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14:06:18	Gartral	im shure we all know of ubuntu
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14:13:15	krz2	Nico_P: 2 or 3 targets will be enough? surely it can support all targets =)
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14:14:44	gevaerts	krz2: if adding more targets is just filling in some data without doing anything different, I don't think it's worth doing that for this task
14:15:27	gevaerts	Of course, if you want to do it, go ahead ;)
14:18:02	gevaerts	krz2: could you also add a comment with the times and dates I asked for ? We have to talk to a lot of people, and the sooner we have this, the sooner we can work out the schedule
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14:30:31	krz2	gevaerts: you mean the time it was done?
14:31:41	krz2	or something else?
14:31:52	gevaerts	krz2: yes. We'd like to have some kind of 'interview', and we need to schedule those
14:32:46	krz2	gevaerts; ah, so the time is the same as that comment, later i will add the time more
14:34:14	gevaerts	The task doesn't need to be finished when we hold the interview
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14:44:19	Nico_P	pondlife: does end of playlist consistently cause a lockup for you? I haven't seen it yet
14:44:48	pondlife	Only hit it once yet
14:44:54	pondlife	I should try shorter albums... :)
14:45:28	Nico_P	it might be the same issue as the stop one
14:46:43	pondlife	Very likely
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14:55:15	Nico_P	ah, got it on the sim :)
14:55:19	Nico_P	hard to get though
14:55:34	Nico_P	Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x85)!
14:55:57	pondlife	Wow.. memory corruption?
14:56:14	Nico_P	I don't know, maybe
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15:15:08	DerPapst	wow... that mazezam commit makes it almost unplayable on ipods at least....
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15:21:46	LambdaCalculus37	DerPapst: I haven't gotten to try the new commit yet. How bad is it?
15:22:30	Nico_P	gevaerts: the ipod seems to block something as soon as I mount it... it takes something like 1 minute before I can write anything to it
15:22:49	Nico_P	and also my CPU graph display freezes for as long
15:22:54	gevaerts	Nico_P: are you using high speed and a hub ?
15:23:03	Nico_P	I'm using full speed and no hub
15:23:27	gevaerts	front or back port ?
15:23:53	Nico_P	it's a laptop, so I don't know. maybe "front". I'll try others
15:25:35	Nico_P	pondlife: for some reason, the audio thread gets stuck in audio_stop_codec_flush and keeps yiedling forever
15:26:26	Nico_P	gevaerts: I switched to one of the back ports and it's not making any difference
15:26:41	gevaerts	Do you get errors in dmesg ?
15:27:03	Nico_P	no
15:27:21	Nico_P	I think the OF does the same thing though
15:27:39	Nico_P	but still, it's weird and very annoying
15:28:30	gevaerts	are you running some sort of automounter with fancy gui features ?
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15:28:56	Nico_P	yeah, KDE displays a popup and mounts the disk for me
15:29:38	Nico_P	I'll try to mount it manually
15:30:01	pondlife	Nico_P: What, audio_codec_loaded stays true?
15:30:26	Nico_P	pondlife: I think it becomes true again before that code is reached, yes
15:30:34	pondlife	Ah.
15:30:45	pondlife	A job for logf.
15:31:10	pondlife	I wonder if audio_codec_loaded could be scrapped with use of queue sends?
15:32:33	pondlife	Another bit of global variable hell there. :)
15:33:51	Nico_P	I think that'll be another cleanup if I can avoid doing it now :)
15:34:20	pondlife	Sometimes the only way is to pull the loose thread..
15:36:43	pondlife	Maybe the pcm stuff can all occur on the codec thread?
15:37:00	pondlife	Making audio_stop_codec_flush() redundant..
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15:38:23	Nico_P	I've found a solution that involves clearing the codec queue in audio_stop_playback
15:38:31	Nico_P	there were some messages left
15:40:42	jhMikeS	Nico_P: owey...that's harsh
15:41:50	Nico_P	yes. I need to find why all those messages were sent in the first place
15:45:37	Nico_P	it seems I'm being a bit too liberal with start_play
15:49:07	DerPapst	LambdaCalculus37: i don't like it at all :-)
15:49:26	DerPapst	LambdaCalculus37: if i have some time i'll manually revert parts of it.
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15:51:17	LambdaCalculus37	DerPapst: Okay.
15:51:36	*	LambdaCalculus37 reminds himself to update his build tonight from the SVN trunk
15:54:26	DerPapst	LambdaCalculus37: the old menu is entirely gone and i think of making a mixture of the old menu and the new one using a viewport for the new menu and i'll revert the use of pluginlib_actions.
15:54:54	Nico_P	gevaerts: manual mount doesn't change anything either
15:55:02	LambdaCalculus37	DerPapst: Sounds like a good plan. Once it's ready, let me know and I'll give you some feedback.
15:55:28	DerPapst	will take some time. but if i have something i'll put it on FS
15:55:46	LambdaCalculus37	Groovy.
15:56:06	gevaerts	Nico_P: strange. Do you have high speed ports ? Maybe trying a high speed build would help
15:56:19	Nico_P	ok
15:56:50	Nico_P	gevaerts: did you see when I said the OF (ie disk mode) did the same thing, though?
15:58:14	gevaerts	Nico_P: do you have other UMS devices to try ?
15:58:27	Nico_P	still the same with high speed.
15:58:31	Nico_P	gevaerts: the sansa works fine
15:58:44	Nico_P	the gigabeat acts weird too, but differently
15:59:16	Nico_P	this one mounts fine but makes kded roof my CPU usage
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16:00:41	Nico_P	pondlife, jhMikeS: I found a cleaner fix, but it involves a global var, to communicate the value of start_play from audio_load_track to audio_finish_load_track
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16:01:05	pondlife	cleaner fix rarely involves a new global.... :)
16:01:30	pondlife	I suppose play commands can't overlap..
16:01:52	gevaerts	Nico_P: I'm suspicious about there being no dmesg errors. That really makes it sound like a host-side problem to me
16:01:54	Nico_P	I don't really see how I can do better now that the two parts of audio_load_track are separate
16:02:21	Nico_P	gevaerts: could it be some kind of disk scan that takes long because of fill speed and the massive HD?
16:02:32	Nico_P	s/fill/full
16:03:02	gevaerts	Could be. Could you try mounting it sometime without kde running ?
16:03:27	Nico_P	ok, I'll try
16:03:58	Nico_P	but could the fact that my CPU graph freezes indicate that the scan is happening at a lower level than KDE?
16:04:16	Nico_P	that's the only occasion where I ever see that thing freeze
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16:05:01	LambdaCalculus37	jhMikeS: Just to confirm something: for r17071, you said that the iPod video doesn't need the ATA locking hack. Does this mean that CF cards work right off the bat on iPod videos?
16:05:06	gevaerts	It's most probably io bound. That can basically make anything freeze
16:05:20	LambdaCalculus37	Or is it regarding something else?
16:05:35	petur	LambdaCalculus37: something else
16:06:09	LambdaCalculus37	petur: Ahh, okay. I was a tiny bit confused by it at first.
16:06:55	LambdaCalculus37	So what does it pertain to, then?
16:08:50	petur	I think the way the driver is locked for multiple threads
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16:09:05	Nico_P	pondlife: want to try an updated version?
16:09:22	pondlife	OK, but in a while
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16:11:14	LambdaCalculus37	petur: Ahh.
16:11:16	amiconn	petur: I'll hopefully soon know whether your CF fixes work for ipod mini :)
16:12:21	petur	nice
16:13:59	*	amiconn ordered a 32GB CF card yesterday
16:14:12	petur	aslow one?
16:15:16	Nico_P	pondlife: no rush. http://pastebin.ca/981024 for when you're ready
16:15:33	pondlife	Thanks. I need to eat first
16:16:13	jhMikeS	LamdaCalculus37: I don't know about CF cards but there's no oddball problems like reported with the 60/80
16:18:13	pondlife	petur: Did I miss any news on the H300 bootloader ATA failure?
16:18:30	petur	no :(
16:18:32	LambdaCalculus37	jhMikeS: Thanks for verifying. :)
16:18:41	pondlife	I saw the MR thread...
16:19:15	amiconn	petur: http://www.transcend.de/Products/ModDetail.asp?ModNo=174&LangNo=20
16:19:40	petur	pondlife: I'm doing small incremental changes in debugging to reliably spot up to where it runs ok
16:20:10	petur	amiconn: not bad at all!
16:20:37	pondlife	petur: It's very touchy though, right? i.e. the problem goes away if you printf...
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16:21:19	petur	well the behaviour changes easily. Last night I had a priv exception for the first time
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16:22:56	*	petur went back to v5 for daily use
16:23:06	pondlife	Urgh
16:23:15	DerPapst	144EUR... not bad.
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16:23:36	*	petur wishes he had seen that before ordering his 8GB
16:23:43	pondlife	v5 = no USB bootloader mode, here..
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16:24:03	pondlife	(plus no charging, RTC or remote startup)
16:24:50	markun	amiconn: do you think you could organize a devcon in berlin or will it go to stokholm again?
16:28:37	pondlife	Nico_P: That seems better - does it fix the STOP crash too?
16:28:45	Nico_P	pondlife: yes
16:28:50	pondlife	Good
16:29:00	Nico_P	I only fixed the stop crash and the next track info
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16:30:15	pondlife	So not much more to fix?
16:30:31	*	pondlife might be brave enough to enable auto-dir-change
16:30:50	Nico_P	no, the last thing I know of is the first unbuffered track
16:31:05	Nico_P	when you reach the end of buffered tracks, the next track info won't show up
16:31:16	pondlife	Ah, ok
16:31:59	Nico_P	then I'll have some cleanup to do
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16:32:43	pondlife	Synced playlist index change is a later issue, right?
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16:34:17	Nico_P	ah yes, I need to fix that of course
16:34:40	Nico_P	I don't want to change gwps-commonc.c in my commit
16:34:46	pondlife	That's after you've worked on audio_check_new_track() then...
16:34:53	Nico_P	yes
16:35:05	Nico_P	but for now I need to update id3.index correctly
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16:35:18	Nico_P	btw, the most noticeable improvement should be multiple unbuffered skipping
16:36:01	pondlife	It's definitely better
16:37:33	Nico_P	that's because it really concentrates on one track at a time
16:37:40	pondlife	I've only tried on H300, I should add
16:37:57	Nico_P	previously it would load all metadata at once and at the same time try to buffer audio
16:38:12	pondlife	Fighting with itself a little?
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16:41:25	Nico_P	yes, exactly
16:41:38	pondlife	Nico_P: It's vastly faster when using auto change dir, and skipping backwards
16:41:46	Nico_P	:)
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16:41:55	markun	this player doesn't look too bad: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2008/04/insignia-pilot-review.php
16:43:16	pondlife	Bluetooth...
16:45:34	gevaerts	markun: when will you start ?
16:45:40	markun	:)
16:46:48	markun	The OF doesn't seem so bad
16:47:04	amiconn	DerPapst: 131EUR @amazon.de, including shipment
16:47:51	markun	gevaerts: but I'm curious what's inside :)
16:48:07	gevaerts	markun: buy one and find out ;)
16:48:13	markun	nah :)
16:49:22	LambdaCalculus37	markun: I've seen that player before. Best Buy stores here in the U.S. sell them.
16:50:11	LambdaCalculus37	To be honest though, the OF on them is rather aggrivating after a while.
16:50:48	gevaerts	Good :) Where would rockbox be without bad OFs ?
16:52:27	LambdaCalculus37	Nowhere. :)
16:53:19	*	LambdaCalculus37 sees that lowlight added the MI4 for the SA9200 to /bootloader/main-pp.c
16:53:46	*	gevaerts starts an online petition to urge DAP manufacturers to provide bad firmware
16:54:11	*	petur walks over to the bar to have a beer before the weekend
16:54:22	LambdaCalculus37	A friend of mine has the GoGear HD6330; time to get a firmware update an the mi4 key so she can get into the fun. :)
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16:54:30	LambdaCalculus37	*s/an/and
16:57:22	markun	LambdaCalculus37: could you ask in such a store if you could open up a player to check what's inside before you decide to buy it? :)
16:58:07	gevaerts	markun: they might say yes, thinking that you mean the packaing ;)
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17:00:45	LambdaCalculus37	markun: Better yet... buy one and immediately tear it open right in front of them. :)
17:00:59	LambdaCalculus37	And I mean "open the DAP itself".
17:01:28	gevaerts	And then ask for a refund because it's broken ?
17:01:50	LambdaCalculus37	"This firmware sucks! Give me a refund!" :P
17:02:19	*	LambdaCalculus37 sees the HDD6330 MI4 on Bagder's page and sees it needs the BL to decode
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17:03:12	LambdaCalculus37	Ahh, crud. =/
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17:07:46	kekc	Hi all!
17:08:04	markun	hi kekc
17:08:07	*	kekc need help with rockbox install.
17:08:09	kekc	;(
17:08:30	*	linuxstb needs a question before he can give an answer
17:08:44	kekc	;)
17:09:00	kekc	I don't know why, but ipod patcher dont see my iPOD :(
17:09:08	linuxstb	What kind of ipod is it?
17:09:13	kekc	sorry 4 my ban english
17:09:17	kekc	Ipod nano 4gb
17:09:26	LambdaCalculus37	1st or 2nd generation?
17:09:31	linuxstb	or 3rd?
17:09:37	kekc	I don't know what gen it is
17:09:38	linuxstb	Can it play videos?
17:09:42	kekc	i can show pic
17:09:43	kekc	no
17:09:45	LambdaCalculus37	What does it look like?
17:09:52	GodEater	a pic would be good
17:09:53	kekc	only music & photos
17:09:57	kekc	1 sec
17:10:01	LambdaCalculus37	Plastic front and shiny back, or all metal body.
17:10:31	kekc	http://www.shopfoto.ru/images/product/big/35210.jpg
17:10:43	kekc	full metalic body
17:10:51	LambdaCalculus37	That's why it doesn't see it.
17:10:52	linuxstb	That's a 2nd generation nano - Rockbox doesn't work on it
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17:11:05	kekc	fuck :(((
17:11:17	kekc	;)
17:11:18	LambdaCalculus37	And may never work on it.
17:11:44	LambdaCalculus37	Unless someone can successfully decrypt the original firmware.
17:12:26	kekc	I just wanted to do something with that ipod. Don't like def interface ;((
17:12:55	LambdaCalculus37	kekc: Go on eBay and buy a supported iPod.
17:13:06	LambdaCalculus37	Or buy any supported player.
17:13:14	markun	we now at least have the documentation for the CPU in the nano 2g (same as the meizu m6)
17:13:19	LambdaCalculus37	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide
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17:13:58	LambdaCalculus37	markun: PM
17:14:13	kekc	o.k ;) Thanks.. bb!
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17:38:39	belze_	i just noticed, that with the latest build on my sansa e200, its not possible to go backward anymore. if you push the button, it shortly shows the name of the track before, but then jumps to the next track
17:38:49	belze_	could it be that my config is somehow messed up?
17:40:34	gevaerts	belze_: there have been changes in playback code recently. If it doesn't work on the latest build, you might want to submit a bug report
17:41:31	belze_	ok, i will do so
17:41:45	Hidden	gevaerts: I've just found your usb-serial logf() code
17:41:55	Hidden	gevaerts: is that actuall usable?
17:42:07	gevaerts	Hidden: on linux it is
17:42:11	Hidden	gevaerts: I'd like to do some debugging on an iriver h10
17:42:33	gevaerts	Hidden: did you look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb ?
17:42:57	Hidden	gevaerts: no, I didn't find that page in the wiki-maze :)
17:43:01	Hidden	gevaerts: thanks for the link
17:44:47	Hidden	gevaerts: I have serious problems with the scrollpad on my h10 so I'd like to see debug messages
17:45:56	gevaerts	Hidden: the logf() specific paragraph on that page should contain all you need.
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17:46:56	moos	Hidden: scrollpad is far from perfect, there are already attempts to impove things on the tracker (don't remenber FS#)
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17:47:41	Hidden	gevaerts: yep, I've found out the steps to enable it in rockbox but I didn't know how to set it up on my desktop...
17:48:17	Hidden	gevaerts: compiled ok, I'll give it a try this evening
17:48:23	Hidden	gevaerts: thanks for your help
17:48:50	gevaerts	great. I'll be online most of the evening if you need more help
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17:53:00	toffe82	gevaerts: it seems that low_light found the bootloader of the sa9200 :)
17:54:54	LambdaCalculus37	toffe82: Now the fun can begin. :)
17:55:05	toffe82	:)
17:55:26	toffe82	who else has a sa9200 ?
17:55:36	LambdaCalculus37	Not I.
17:56:03	moos	toffe82, LambdaCalculus37: spotted the fun with the beast? ;)
17:56:23	toffe82	no with the philips sa9200
17:57:25	LambdaCalculus37	moos: I'm still waiting for my beast to arrive. ;)
17:57:48	moos	hehe, let's the fun arrives then ;)
17:58:20	toffe82	it seems that we will have 2 more player working soon
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18:00:20	moos	always more and more, let's talk the rockbox's supremacy :)
18:02:19	toffe82	the philips sa9200 can be found cheap, around 30 or 40 $ I think
18:03:05	*	LambdaCalculus37 only sees one on eBay for $84.99 USD
18:04:16	pixelma	DerPapst: reading logs... is there anything specific broken in the mazezam controls on the Ipod or very weird or do you have another reason you want to revert pluginlib actions?
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18:05:16	linuxstb	pixelma: How is the Ondio?
18:05:42	pixelma	haven't tried anything yet
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18:31:09	XavierGr	how can you tell if it is a version 2? just check the firmware version?
18:31:37	markun	from what I understand that should be a good way to find out
18:32:23	XavierGr	frimware version: 01.01.05P
18:32:33	XavierGr	I suppose that means it is a v1?
18:32:37	markun	yes
18:32:57	XavierGr	Great! Let me Rockbox that thing then :)
18:33:02	markun	install rockbox and you will know for sure
18:33:04	markun	yes :)
18:33:19	pixelma	yes, but that is one without the MSC mode _setting_ in the OF... there are several ways to get it though
18:33:40	BigBambi	moos: Yes, I saw - exciting :)
18:33:49	XavierGr	A very pleasant surprise is that it supports Greek Menus on the OF
18:34:04	XavierGr	not that I would ever use that, but it is the first mp3 player that offers such a thing
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18:34:52	XavierGr	the player has a big word on its back saying REFURB
18:35:08	XavierGr	it came wihtout any box and just the usb cable and phones
18:35:20	XavierGr	I won't be bitchy though I bought it for just 23 euros
18:35:23	scorche\|sh	REFURB is a sticker
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18:35:39	scorche\|sh	a few stickers, in fact
18:36:25	XavierGr	yes it seems you are right, though difficult to remove them they are well sticked to it
18:36:41	scorche\|sh	eh...a well placed fingernail works finr
18:36:44	scorche\|sh	fine
18:36:56	salty-horse	can anyone with a sansa e200 confirm this? 1) play a playlist. 2) when the last song ends and it returns to the main menu, the wheel won't work unless you click the "select" key
18:37:12	moos	BigBambi: indeed, very exciting :)
18:38:32	XavierGr	heh it even has 5 audio tracks in it, strange
18:39:00	XavierGr	unfortunately the OF isn't colourblind friendly
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18:49:27	XavierGr	ehm does anyone have a link of the msc sansa c200 firmware, the one on the wiki is broken
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18:50:35	gevaerts	XavierGr: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/c200/
18:51:14	XavierGr	thanks
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18:55:03	amiconn	XavierGr: Do you know any reallly user friendly OF? ;)
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18:57:58	LambdaCalculus37	amiconn: The closest I could think of would be the Rio Karma.
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18:58:52	XavierGr	amiconn: indeed, very rare instance
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19:01:34	amiconn	gevaerts: Want some more? They're on discount today ;)
19:01:58	gevaerts	One will do, thanks ;)
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19:03:00	LambdaCalculus37	amiconn: One of very few players that I've seen that plays Vorbis and FLAC natively, and has some very unique features like file transfer over ethernet.
19:03:05	XavierGr	c200 must have one of the worst colour lcd displays
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19:03:30	LambdaCalculus37	XavierGr: Yes, it's rather blurry and hard to see under some lighting conditions
19:03:44	amiconn	XavierGr: Well, it's the only passive matrix colour LCDs (i.e. DSTN, not TFT) among our targets
19:03:54	amiconn	*LCD
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19:04:15	gevaerts	XavierGr: I recommend the "old" rockbox_default over cabbiev2 on c200
19:04:30	toffe82	the philips also is blurry, with the OF
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19:04:51	XavierGr	gevaerts: I will give them both a try as well as iCatcher
19:04:59	LambdaCalculus37	That's not another passive matrix LCD, is it, toffee82?
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19:05:41	XavierGr	yay just booted rockbox! :)
19:06:05	LambdaCalculus37	\o/
19:06:15	XavierGr	can I delete the tmp and system folders?
19:06:36	gevaerts	They will come back everytime you boot the OF
19:06:56	XavierGr	ah nice, that means I will never boot the OF
19:07:23	amiconn	You'll need to for USB
19:07:32	moos	you will have to use the USB stack then
19:07:42	moos	hehe :)
19:07:48	*	gevaerts goes to hunt some food
19:07:50	LambdaCalculus37	Unless you compile your own and try the experimental stack we have. :)
19:07:50	amiconn	Unless you plan on using the USB stack - but that may cause data corruption due to the SD driver
19:08:16	amiconn	...and it might not work on all USB ports
19:08:27	XavierGr	ah completely forgot about that, well I will try to use the USB stack and see what happens
19:08:36	LambdaCalculus37	amiconn: The high speed USB stack appears quite stable. It's the full speed stack that's still shaky.
19:08:56	amiconn	Well, high speed works for me on root ports only
19:09:19	amiconn	(I don't have the SD problem as I only have hdd-based PP502x targets)
19:09:58	XavierGr	I have to try the USB stack to input some feedback on the matter
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19:11:45	pixelma	most of our USB stack developers have a c200 (started on it). I wonder why... not
19:12:29	Horscht	wait, gevaerts made hi-speed working, but full speed doesn't yet?
19:12:40	Horscht	nice one
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19:12:50	Horscht	(hi speed being the faster one, correct?)
19:13:30	BigBambi	Horscht: Both work
19:13:59	BigBambi	You select whether to enable high speed (the fast one) or not with a separate define
19:14:08	Horscht	yeah, but the "harder" one better, obviously
19:14:10	linuxstb	shotofadds: Hi, do you know if there are any photos of a disassembled D2 DAB anywhere?
19:14:16	BigBambi	Horscht: why?
19:14:39	amiconn	Well, last time I tried fullspeed, it worked better than highspeed
19:14:54	shotofadds	Not that I know of. I haven't even opened mine.
19:15:55	linuxstb	shotofadds: I'm just curious to know if the DAB module is the same as the logik dax...
19:16:22	shotofadds	how much do you know about the module in the dax?
19:16:33	shotofadds	i wonder if I can get any clue from the OF disassembly
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19:17:21	linuxstb	I've described it a little here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LogikDaxPort
19:17:24	toffe82	LambdaCalculus37: I don't know I didn't find any documentation on the lcd
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19:18:52	shotofadds	I'll see what I can find out, but DAB isn't really my top priority at the moment...
19:19:47	linuxstb	shotofadds: Don't waste time on it - it's just curiousity... I'm sure we'll find out eventually.
19:23:44	shotofadds	linuxstb: I'm curious about the D2's "DAB" because the case is physically marked "DMB", and the DAB/DMB firmwares are interchangeable.
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19:30:35	XavierGr	the usb jack is a rather unfortunate choice in the c200
19:30:52	XavierGr	I wonder who had the idea to put such a proprietary and big jack in this small player
19:31:06	XavierGr	a standard usb minib jack would be perfect
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19:31:32	scorche\|sh	well, saying that in here isnt going to fix anything...
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19:32:12	XavierGr	no it won't I am just sharing my opinion with other users on my newly bought audio player
19:32:31	XavierGr	and plese don't redirect me to rockbox-community for a one-liner
19:32:59	*	scorche\|sh sees 3 lines ;)
19:33:21	XavierGr	well you asked for them :P
19:33:33	scorche\|sh	i did?
19:33:56	XavierGr	ah sorry
19:34:09	XavierGr	nevermind you are right about the 3 lines
19:34:40	linuxstb	shotofadds: I don't know much about DAB or DMB. but it seems that DMB is the Korean adaption of DAB and is broadcast as a "DAB data stream" (according to wikipedia...)
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19:41:02	amiconn	XavierGr: The proprietary sansa connector is exactly the same as the ipod connector, only the guiding profiles at the sides are different
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19:41:37	salty-horse	can anyone with a sansa e200 confirm this? 1) play a playlist. 2) when the last song ends and it returns to the main menu, the wheel won't work unless you click the "select" key −− is this intentional? some sort of "lock"?
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19:41:50	amiconn	Iirc you can plug an ipod cable into a sansa, but not vice versa. I wouldn't recommend to try that though...
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19:45:59	amiconn	I don't know why Sandisk did this - maybe the connectors were cheap...
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20:42:49	XavierGr	amiconn: many manufacturers use proprietary connectors to earn more money. They will sell a cheap USB cable 10-20 euros just because you don't have a choice and you can't find the connector elsewhere.
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20:47:07	Llorean	I like things with a standard connector and a proprietary connector, like the Gigabeat.
20:47:11	*	BigBambi likes both, like on the gigabeat
20:47:13	BigBambi	haha
20:47:38	BigBambi	Of course, that works best on the slightly larger players
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20:47:59	Llorean	Actually, the Cowon D2 is like that
20:48:01	Llorean	And it's pretty small
20:48:06	scorche\|sh	yes, but given the choice...and considering we are talking about a c200...
20:48:23	Llorean	It uses a very small proprietary connector, about the same size as the USB plug in it.
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20:56:47	herrwaldo	I've had to buy yet another sansa c250 (lost it) ... and am happy to inform you that V1's are still beeing sold at SATURN in antwerp
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21:00:05	low_light	toffe82: lookie here http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p4110003ix9.jpg
21:00:37	n1s	low_light: congrats!
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21:00:46	bertrik	is that first light for a new port?
21:01:10	Nico_P	n1s: hopefully USB is next :)
21:01:26	n1s	Nico_P: that would be awesome :)
21:01:38	Nico_P	low_light: what player is that?
21:01:54	low_light	philips sa9200. Basically a e200 sans radio and sd slot
21:02:23	low_light	I didn't expect the sansa ata driver to work, but it does
21:02:42	gevaerts	Including its bugs ?
21:03:03	low_light	of course :)
21:03:25	gevaerts	You could have left those out ;)
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21:04:44	low_light	where's the fun in that
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21:08:30	low_light	amiconn: did I see where you were going to reorganize the target/arm directory?
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21:09:20	xQTFTQX	Hello
21:09:26	xQTFTQX	HI?
21:09:31	xQTFTQX	HI
21:09:34	low_light	this philips sa9200 it would fit if I renamed the target/arm/sandisk to target/arm/pp5024
21:09:42	xQTFTQX	aNYBODY GOT ANY INFO ON GIGABEAT s?
21:09:45	low_light	^fit best
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21:10:41	gevaerts	low_light: IIRC c200 is 5022, not 5024
21:10:58	BigBambi	xQTFTQX: Please do not use all caps, and be more specific
21:11:46	low_light	gevaerts: pp5022 + as3514 = pp5024
21:12:04	gevaerts	low_light: that's cheating ;)
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21:24:50	LambdaCalculus37	low_light: Wow, very nice! You got the Sansa bootloader to run on the GoGear! :)
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21:25:48	shotofadds	pfft, these PP targets are all the same :p
21:26:22	LambdaCalculus37	shotofadds: Not all. The Karma is PP-based, but doesn't use mi4.
21:26:33	LambdaCalculus37	It's based on eCos.
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21:45:06	low_light	shotofadds: I was going to try to help your port. I had gotten a Clix2 (same SoC as D2) off ebay, but it turned out to be defective so I sent it back. I'm still looking.
21:45:22	BHSPitMonkey	gevaerts, so, what's the deal with "the talk" this weekend? When should I come in?
21:45:34	BHSPitMonkey	Oh wow, just got an e-mail from you.
21:45:48	BHSPitMonkey	Weird timing.
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21:46:54	bertrik	"the talk"?
21:46:57	gevaerts	BHSPitMonkey: I'm trying to assemble all data we need to schedule everything
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21:47:29	BHSPitMonkey	Okay, so between 1 and 5 central. I can do that.
21:47:45	shotofadds	low_light: I'm surprised there hasn't been much interest in the Clix2. I think it's very similar hardware-wise (SoC and flash, at least).
21:47:50	bertrik	oh, GSoC I suppose
21:47:55	gevaerts	bertrik: right
21:47:56	BHSPitMonkey	Tomorrow or Sunday would be best, as I'll be home with nothing to do (except for that plugin).
21:48:04	shotofadds	I need someone with a fresh pair of eyes to have a look at the NAND driver (hehe...)
21:48:12	gevaerts	BHSPitMonkey: thanks
21:48:53	BHSPitMonkey	gevaerts, I'll be BHSPitLappy over the weekend, so messages to BHSPitMonkey may get lost. (So you know)
21:49:16	gevaerts	BHSPitMonkey: I'll send mails out with the final schedule info
21:49:19	BHSPitMonkey	Or, at least, lost until I look through my logs when I get back.
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21:49:31	BHSPitMonkey	gevaerts, sounds good.
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22:33:21	pixelma	finally :D
22:34:03	moos	congrates or your works
22:34:26	gevaerts	You mean the homepage is safe now ?
22:34:26	moos	+f of course :)
22:34:58	moos	I think she spoke about wps conversion?
22:36:10	pixelma	gevaerts: you mean pagelong svn tables?
22:36:23	gevaerts	pixelma: of course :)
22:37:06	pixelma	heh, who knows... but I don't have plans atm
22:37:12	pixelma	:)
22:37:36	krz2	gevaerts: hi! what is with interview?
22:37:49	pixelma	moos: thanks :)
22:38:14	gevaerts	krz2: what I said in the comment : we would like to schedule an interview, so we need to know when you are available
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22:40:43	toffe82	pixelma: is there a gain in size with the new bmp system ?
22:40:48	krz2	gevaerts: i will be avialable tommorow from 20.00 UTC till 24. or it is also possible in the morning
22:41:15	krz2	gevaerts: and what will be the talk about? :)
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22:43:33	gevaerts	krz2: we have lots of applications, and we want the best ones. The task is part of that, the interview is another.
22:43:52	pixelma	toffe82: the important thing is that you need to load a lot less bitmaps in most cases (even though those bitmaps are larger) so it will be faster when loading/booting or even unpacking the zip. The pure amount of data should be about the same but I also tried to optimise things when I saw something (e.g. using a viewport instead of a frame bitmap in H300 "boxes"
22:44:54	toffe82	ok
22:45:15	pixelma	it's also nicer and less confusing to not have so many bitmaps in the svn directories
22:45:19	krz2	gevaerts: and will the given task influence on something?
22:46:48	scorche\|sh	krz2: eh?
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22:47:35	Bagder	krz2: it's just a means for us to get to know more about you and your suggested application, to help us "judge"
22:48:20	krz2	scorche\|sh: the task to make sample gui application to validate wps
22:48:28	dajavax	hey anyone know if with the release of the pwnage tool for ipod touch... there is a chance of making rockbox for it?
22:48:51	krz2	Bagder: ok, i see
22:48:55	Bagder	dajavax: sure is, if anybody wants to
22:49:22	dajavax	mmm
22:50:40	dajavax	hopefully someone do
22:50:44	dajavax	does*
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22:51:44	*	Bagder won't bet on it
22:52:10	low_light	Bagder: can you update mi4code with the sa9200 key I committed earlier today
22:52:52	Bagder	yes, I'll do that!
22:52:56	dajavax	me neither
22:57:03	toffe82	low_light : it seems it was to easy for you ;)
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23:07:51	low_light	toffe82: just lucky that the ata driver for the e200 works as is
23:08:25	Bagder	low_light: so how much is working atm?
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23:12:14	low_light	I imagine everything except the lcd & buttons/touchpad
23:12:36	low_light	well, all the GPIO pins are different, so that needs to be worked out too
23:13:00	gevaerts	krz2: does it have to be tomorrow, or could you also manage the sunday, monday or tuesday ?
23:13:39	low_light	My quick attempt at an lcd driver seems ok in the bootloader, but doesn't work when booting Rockbox (I get a white screen)
23:14:07	petur	grrr... did an h300 bootloader upgrade and it still boots the previous version :/
23:14:26	toffe82	low_light: when wil you put it on svn ?
23:14:28	low_light	I'll have to start with a clean target instead of just modifying the e200
23:14:40	*	petur should print a version id when testing to make sure he's testing the correct version
23:16:17	Bagder	mi4code updated on the site
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23:17:33	*	petur slaps forehead - mkboot on wrong bin file :/
23:19:02	low_light	toffe82: don't know...sooner rather than later ;)
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23:20:06	low_light	I'm tempted to stick it in the target/arm/sansa directory because it would be easier
23:20:29	low_light	or rename that to target/arm/pp5024
23:20:58	Bagder	although the c200 isn't pp5024...
23:21:33	gevaerts	low_light: target/arm/saxxxx ? (sansaC, sansaE, sa9200 would match that...)
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23:21:55	low_light	yes, gevaerts said too, but I contend that pp5022 + as3514 = pp5024
23:21:57	Bagder	pp502xams ! ;-)
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23:24:04	low_light	I thought amiconn and/or jhMikeS had some ideas on cleaning up the target/arm directory
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23:36:01	*	n1s has a sort of working rtc driver for the gigabeast :)
23:36:26	*	Bagder sort of likes drivers
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23:37:35	BigBambi	n1s: coolio :)
23:38:40	n1s	well it works but if I set the time with gnomad it shows up as 18 nov 2006 in rockbox...
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23:40:57	petur	yay, an new error... stkov this time :/
23:41:02	toffe82	gevaerts: low_light is right the pp5024 is a 5022 + something from Austriamicrosystems
23:41:31	toffe82	The PP5024 integrates the power enhancements, performance, system input/output, and display features of the PP5022 with all of the major analog subsystems necessary to produce a high capacity NAND flash personal media player, which was developed jointly with Austriamicrosystems AG.
23:42:02	*	petur is now 90% sure the crash is ata.c related
23:42:08	Bagder	as3514
23:43:19	gevaerts	toffe82: I'm not opposed to this naming scheme, it's just that I think it's slightly confusing if you're a casual passer by
23:43:39	toffe82	yes
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