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| 00:06:21 | Bagder | wow, -14 bugs this week |
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| 00:07:12 | X3 | Does rockbox have the capability to read from Apples Database? Even with a third party app? |
| 00:07:31 | Bagder | rockbox doesn't do that, no |
| 00:08:36 | X3 | When you first start the Rockbox OS, you won’t see much. Rockbox has a file-based browser by default, which means that it browses the physical files on the iPod’s drive. Apple’s OS, on the other hand, keeps all the music files in a huge jumble of nonsensical hashed folders, and all of that within a hidden folder so you can’t even see it with Rockbox. Never fear, though. Rockbox has a program called TagCache t |
| 00:08:56 | X3 | Kinda sounds like theres a way to do it |
| 00:09:02 | Bagder | that's slightly inaccurate info |
| 00:09:03 | BigBambi | No |
| 00:09:05 | linuxstb_ | Where is that quote from? |
| 00:09:21 | X3 | http://www.alwaysbeta.com/2006/08/24/how-to-dual-boot-your-ipod-with-rockbox/ |
| 00:09:26 | BigBambi | X3: Tagcache reads the metadata on your files and builds the database from that |
| 00:09:30 | linuxstb_ | TagCache is the old name for Rockbox's own database |
| 00:09:48 | BigBambi | X3: We cannot be responsible for inaccurate third party info |
| 00:09:59 | linuxstb_ | That's almost two years old... |
| 00:10:07 | X3 | yea I understand that I was just verifying whether it was correct or not |
| 00:10:33 | Bagder | the database it speaks of is rockbox's own, not the apple one |
| 00:10:34 | X3 | linuuxstb. Yes. But IF it was possible 2 years ago it would be possible today. (Probably) |
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| 00:10:40 | BigBambi | X3: The Rockbox database reads the metadata on your files and builds the database from that |
| 00:10:46 | X3 | Ok thanks |
| 00:10:55 | BigBambi | X3: Only if someone who wants it writes it |
| 00:11:07 | BigBambi | I very much doubt you will find many devs using itunes |
| 00:11:17 | n1s | hmm, gphoto2 also says the clock is 2006 nov, gnomad bug maybe... |
| 00:11:19 | X3 | haha yea |
| 00:11:49 | X3 | just a pain to duplicate files |
| 00:12:13 | X3 | So i am going to try JUST rockbox and see if i like it better |
| 00:12:23 | Bagder | why duplicate files? |
| 00:12:30 | Bagder | you mean databases? |
| 00:12:45 | linuxstb_ | X3: As BigBambi said, Rockbox's own database feature will automagically build a database from the tags in your music files. |
| 00:13:14 | X3 | But it wont play the songs right? |
| 00:13:22 | Bagder | yes it will |
| 00:13:26 | linuxstb_ | No, it will play the songs right. |
| 00:13:41 | linuxstb_ | (assuming they're not encrypted) |
| 00:13:47 | X3 | So on rockbox, I can listen to songs on the Apple OS? |
| 00:13:54 | BigBambi | Why would we build a database of songs we can't play? |
| 00:14:00 | BigBambi | X3: eh? |
| 00:14:16 | BigBambi | No, you can listen to songs in Rockbox that you transfered using itunes |
| 00:14:24 | BigBambi | So long as they are not DRM crippled |
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| 00:14:38 | X3 | If i dualboot with the AppleIpod OS, Can I listen to the DRM free music that is in the Apple database. |
| 00:14:43 | X3 | using Rockbox |
| 00:14:43 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:14:57 | X3 | okay i see |
| 00:15:17 | BigBambi | But the apple database is irrelevant |
| 00:15:38 | X3 | ? |
| 00:15:57 | * | Bagder gives up and heads to bed |
| 00:16:02 | BigBambi | The Rockbox database will list all songs by their tags regardless of how you put them on your DAP - itunes/copy and paste/however the hell you want |
| 00:16:38 | BigBambi | All the database does is build a database by scanning all the songs on your DAP and saving their tags |
| 00:17:04 | BigBambi | How the songs got there / where they are saved / what the file names are / etc is irrelevant |
| 00:17:18 | X3 | Yea I know |
| 00:17:25 | X3 | Which is good |
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| 00:17:38 | BigBambi | So therefore the Apple database is ireelevant |
| 00:17:51 | X3 | ahhh i see |
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| 00:56:34 | DerPapst | don't know if this has been asked already but i just noticed that the sim compiled with cygwin doesn't print anything to stdout anymore... |
| 00:58:25 | petur | whoa... IllInstr in .ibss something really is borked :( |
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| 01:15:00 | rmoore08 | anyone have a tut on how to dual boot using ipod loader |
| 01:15:14 | rmoore08 | f |
| 01:15:33 | n1s | DerPapst: did it ever? |
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| 01:15:38 | DerPapst | http://ipodlinux.org/Loader_2 |
| 01:15:51 | DerPapst | n1s: yes |
| 01:16:09 | BigBambi | rmoore08: Be aware that loader 2 is off topic here - if you want support you will need to use the Rockbox bootloader |
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| 01:17:04 | n1s | DerPapst: then a binary chop of revisions will probably help |
| 01:19:05 | DerPapst | it has been introduced today... |
| 01:19:43 | n1s | I seem to remember it not working for a long time but I don't use cygwin myself |
| 01:22:29 | pixelma | DerPapst: there were a few messages disabled ib the last week I believe . I get some messages but a lot less... |
| 01:22:35 | pixelma | *in |
| 01:23:44 | DerPapst | hmm... |
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| 01:26:03 | pixelma | see r17019... and saratoga disabled the huge wma debug output around these days too |
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| 01:27:21 | DerPapst | ah, i see :-) |
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| 01:56:46 | webguest55 | woo rockbox irc :D |
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| 02:00:02 | webguest55 | where can i find info on rockbox development for the new ipods (specifically, 3g nano) |
| 02:00:59 | DerPapst | new prots forum |
| 02:01:04 | DerPapst | most probably. |
| 02:01:24 | DerPapst | but there isn't much news. no one is really working on it. |
| 02:02:02 | pixelma | DerPapst: new prost forum? :P |
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| 02:02:37 | DerPapst | *ports |
| 02:02:48 | DerPapst | ah well. :-P |
| 02:02:55 | webguest55 | :O noone working on it |
| 02:05:25 | webguest55 | that bites oh well |
| 02:06:00 | webguest55 | i will continue using standard firmware and check back every now and then. i didnt really want rockbox anyway but it has an option to play mono which would be useful for me |
| 02:06:06 | webguest55 | good luck with your coding all |
| 02:06:10 | webguest55 | i wish i had programming skills :D |
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| 02:06:47 | DerPapst | eh? |
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| 03:18:47 | RubberDucky132 | Hey guys, I don't want to fuss with the bmp resizer patch so can someone tell me the resolution I want to resize my album art to for a 5th gen ipod (320x240) with the default Rockbox theme? |
| 03:19:37 | scorche | it depends on the theme |
| 03:20:52 | RubberDucky132 | the default, cabbie 2.0 |
| 03:21:02 | RubberDucky132 | doesn't matter though i took a screenie and put it in PS and measured |
| 03:21:05 | RubberDucky132 | it's 120x120 :P |
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| 03:29:46 | rmoore08 | so i have rockbox installed. Its saying cant find .rockbox directory |
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| 03:29:49 | rmoore08 | what do i do |
| 03:30:45 | scorche | unzip the .zip file just like the manual says... |
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| 03:32:05 | Mrcheesenips | How do I add RocketBox to my IPod Nano 1st gen? |
| 03:32:34 | scorche | I dont know what RocketBox is...do you mean Rockbox? |
| 03:32:45 | Mrcheesenips | oh yes sorry |
| 03:32:59 | scorche | you are going to want to read our fine manual ;) |
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| 03:34:05 | Mrcheesenips | ok |
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| 03:40:30 | Mrcheesenips | Does the automatic installer install anything on my computer? |
| 03:41:25 | scorche | "install" in what sense?...windows sense? temporary files? libraries? backup? |
| 03:42:02 | rmoore08 | peanuts? |
| 03:43:40 | Mrcheesenips | nevermind...I downloaded the rockbox automatic installer and it said i insalled rockbox into my ipod. How do I acces it on my ipod? |
| 03:44:06 | scorche | Mrcheesenips: you shouldnt need to do anything... |
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| 04:28:40 | lymeca | So I have a 4th gen 30gb here |
| 04:28:59 | lymeca | It got bumped a bit dancing around |
| 04:29:07 | lymeca | But now there is no sdc2 |
| 04:29:19 | lymeca | So the partition with Rockbox and the music data seemingly vanished |
| 04:29:26 | lymeca | sdc1 exists but cannot be mounted |
| 04:30:57 | lymeca | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 04:31:04 | lymeca | I'm okay with that I guess |
| 04:31:13 | lymeca | I'm not okay with sdc2 disappearing |
| 04:31:43 | aliask | Sure you got the right drive? |
| 04:31:48 | lymeca | Yes |
| 04:31:57 | aliask | Try using a visual partition viewer - eg gparted |
| 04:34:38 | DerPapst | sdc1 is the raw firmware partition you can't mount it |
| 04:35:59 | DerPapst | if the mbr is broken you could try to dd a new one to your ipod. |
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| 04:50:33 | Mrcheesenips | I really like it so far..can I put videos on it?..on rockbox on my Ipod Nano 1st gen |
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| 05:53:06 | soap | videos are discussed in the manual. |
| 05:53:29 | soap | and, yes, you can view full-speed video on the nano. |
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| 06:12:51 | csc` | scorche: what do you mean you dont know what rocketbox is? :P |
| 06:13:18 | scorche | do you? |
| 06:13:27 | csc` | its a box with rockets on it |
| 06:13:35 | csc` | or an ipod with a jet engine |
| 06:20:48 | lymeca | I have a 30GB colour 4th gen |
| 06:20:52 | lymeca | I want to replace the MBR |
| 06:20:55 | lymeca | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 06:21:08 | lymeca | This doesn't have a link for a 4th gen 30GB MBR |
| 06:21:51 | n17ikh | so are videos on a portable player really practical? It seems good at first glance but is there a real use for it? |
| 06:22:31 | csc` | id say so |
| 06:22:36 | csc` | think about home movie clips |
| 06:22:44 | scorche | well, this is subjective... |
| 06:22:53 | n17ikh | like showing your co-workers your kids? |
| 06:23:07 | csc` | or that cool video you saw on the internet, having a portable player that can play them on the go without a pc is a good idea |
| 06:23:14 | csc` | but ive got a feeling this is offtopic :P |
| 06:23:31 | scorche | and highly subjective so there isnt a "right answer" |
| 06:23:41 | n17ikh | well, I figured it was on-topic, since it's a feature of rockbox |
| 06:23:53 | n17ikh | and I wanted the opinions of some people who actually use it |
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| 06:24:46 | csc` | its also a feature of the standard apple firmware for the most recent ipods |
| 06:24:51 | csc` | atleast, excluding the shuffle |
| 06:25:55 | scorche | n17ikh: it is more of a "social discussion" which would fit in great with the other channel :) |
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| 06:29:06 | csc` | scorche: maybe rb will get lucky and someone in SoC will break into the new nano's :) |
| 06:29:25 | scorche | we arent going to accept a GSoC proposal for that |
| 06:30:26 | csc` | so if someone figured out how to interact with the 3rd generation nano, it still wouldnt be allowed? or just not from google |
| 06:31:34 | scorche | i think you misunderstand GSoC....all of the project picking and evaluating is all up to us...Google just funds it, etc |
| 06:32:55 | csc` | if the new nano's were supported, im not sure i would use rockbox on it anyway...ive become a podcast fiend lately and not sure how rockbox does with podcasts |
| 06:33:01 | Llorean | A 3rd Generation Nano port would be FAR too much work for one person to do over the space of summer. It wouldn't even be worth considering unless they had certain key information in advance. |
| 06:34:04 | n17ikh | I'd assume rockbox would play a podcast like it would any other music file |
| 06:34:05 | scorche | key information including but not limited to: proven method for running code, ALL datasheets... |
| 06:34:40 | n17ikh | excluding itunes' involvement |
| 06:36:39 | n17ikh | is the 3g nano even portalplayer-based? |
| 06:37:03 | Llorean | No |
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| 06:55:55 | DavidSG | lymeca: There was a person here 2 days ago with the same problem I am not sure if he found the solution you might want to check the irc logs from that day arround this time to see. |
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| 08:07:01 | rmoore08 | how do i exit doom or any other game ? |
| 08:07:51 | Llorean | Depends on your player. The manual should tell you. |
| 08:07:59 | Mouser_X | Use a sledgehammer. It'll solve (or break) nearly anything! |
| 08:08:36 | rmoore08 | aslo |
| 08:08:51 | rmoore08 | also. I clicked data base and it started searching |
| 08:08:56 | rmoore08 | and it reached its limit |
| 08:08:59 | rmoore08 | so i pressed previous |
| 08:09:06 | rmoore08 | now how can i listen to the songs |
| 08:10:16 | Llorean | Are you saying they don't show up? |
| 08:10:30 | rmoore08 | well i press database again and it continues searching |
| 08:10:37 | rmoore08 | but the number doesnt go up any |
| 08:11:04 | Llorean | You need to wait for it to actually finish. |
| 08:11:08 | rmoore08 | ok |
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| 08:16:44 | qwm | scorche|sh: wake up. |
| 08:17:33 | scorche | yes'm? |
| 08:18:04 | Mouser_X | scorche? Sleep? Never! |
| 08:18:11 | Mouser_X | Or at least, very rarely. |
| 08:18:24 | scorche | Mouser_X: you could say it is an "inside joke line" |
| 08:19:01 | BHSPitLappy | When should we be expecting the e-mails to go out regarding the top-secret IRC meetings, scorche? |
| 08:19:21 | rmoore08 | Llorean are you saying the database searching will eventually stop? |
| 08:19:36 | rmoore08 | cause it just say building. and its not moving |
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| 08:20:40 | Mouser_X | rmoore08: Ocasionally a user may do something to cause the database to become corrupted while building. You might have to delete the partial files, and start over. |
| 08:21:00 | qwm | scorche: are you doing ok? |
| 08:22:02 | scorche | BHSPitLappy: remind me which name? |
| 08:22:11 | scorche | qwm: uhhhh....fine? |
| 08:22:12 | BHSPitLappy | scorche, Eisenhauer |
| 08:22:20 | qwm | scorche: good to hear mate. :) |
| 08:22:25 | rmoore08 | Mouser_X how? Can i Just delete a whole directory and start over |
| 08:23:22 | Mouser_X | That'd be a bad idea. The database is stored in the .rockbox directory. |
| 08:23:47 | Mouser_X | It's a set of files, but I can't remember their extension. I've only used the database 2 or 3 times in the last 15 months. |
| 08:24:07 | Mouser_X | (I don't have it on my Gigabeat right now.) |
| 08:24:25 | rmoore08 | ahh |
| 08:24:25 | scorche | BHSPitLappy: i am not sure...i thought gevaerts sent them out, but perhaps it was onyl some of them....actually, did you suggest a time good for you? |
| 08:24:38 | BHSPitLappy | scorche, yeah. |
| 08:25:17 | BHSPitLappy | I guess he would have used the address registered with GSoC? |
| 08:26:04 | scorche | i assume he is using his main .be address |
| 08:26:18 | BHSPitLappy | scorche, I meant mine :P |
| 08:26:23 | scorche | oh... |
| 08:26:58 | scorche | either that or in a comment, or both |
| 08:27:14 | BHSPitLappy | Actually, I got an e-mail from him originally about the meetings to begin with, so the line of communication is fine |
| 08:27:18 | scorche | BHSPitLappy: put times good for you in a comment...just to make things handy |
| 08:27:33 | rmoore08 | anyone know how i can restart setting up my database? I guess i corrupted mine |
| 08:27:49 | scorche | rmoore08: delete the *.tcd files and try again |
| 08:28:47 | rmoore08 | hmm... cant seem to find them |
| 08:28:54 | rmoore08 | .rockbox directory? |
| 08:29:17 | rmoore08 | found some *.cp |
| 08:29:18 | scorche | yes |
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| 08:29:45 | BHSPitLappy | scorche, mmk. |
| 08:30:22 | rmoore08 | no tcd files |
| 08:36:00 | rmoore08 | ah nvm |
| 08:36:02 | rmoore08 | never made them |
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| 08:44:34 | rmoore08 | ok so i made teh tcd files... |
| 08:44:41 | rmoore08 | and i still cant see database |
| 08:45:32 | rmoore08 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ConvertiTunesDBtoTagCache#Building_itdb2tc |
| 08:45:38 | rmoore08 | ah i was using that. looks outdated |
| 08:46:27 | scorche | just delete the tcd files again and follow the instructions in the manual |
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| 09:24:26 | bttb | Morning! |
| 09:24:33 | petur | yawn |
| 09:24:37 | bttb | :D |
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| 09:26:04 | BHSPitLappy | Well, I hope I don't get an e-mail requesting a meeting in the next 12 hours or so, as I'm going to bed :P |
| 09:26:43 | petur | I'm not planning to ;) |
| 09:27:11 | bttb | Is there a way to add ReplayGain to mp3s in Linux? I'm currently using Wine/foobar2000 to do that but I'd rather use a native app. |
| 09:27:33 | bttb | I'm interested in album gain btw |
| 09:28:13 | scorche | bttb: that is less of a Rockbox topic and a general audio question... |
| 09:28:15 | bttb | I mean I know LAME can write Track gain but I'm also looking for album gain. |
| 09:28:23 | bttb | True |
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| 09:32:24 | bttb | I have a rockbox question as well :) When clicking on "Install Themes" in rbutil I always get the message "No themes found". Is this functionality supposed to not work at the moment? |
| 09:32:50 | scorche | i assume you ahve an ipod video? |
| 09:34:13 | scorche | those themes were removed from the server that the program parses due to some bandwidth issues...this should be fixed soon |
| 09:34:33 | bttb | Ah, thank you! |
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| 09:43:40 | bttb | Actually I don't really mind because I installed rockbox yesterday and the default theme looks pretty nice to me. |
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| 09:55:19 | bttb | Is it a known problem that access to an iPod 5G's harddisk (usb mass storage) is slower when rockbox is loaded then when the original firmware is loaded? In the first case I around 20% "wait" and in the latter 0% while doing the same task (scanning files with Wine/foobar2000 to add ReplayGain tags). |
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| 09:56:06 | bttb | s/case I/case I get |
| 09:56:50 | bttb | This is a 60GB 5G |
| 09:58:40 | n1s | bttb: rockbox currently uses apple's built in emergency diskmode which is very slow on some ipods |
| 09:59:08 | bttb | Ah, ok, at least it's not a bug. Thanks! |
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| 10:13:42 | mrkiko | n1s: will this change in future? |
| 10:14:15 | scorche | mrkiko: hopefully |
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| 10:20:02 | mrkiko | Is the problem consisting on the fact that you should implement via software all those stuff needed to implement the usb-storage thing? |
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| 10:22:21 | linuxstb | mrkiko: See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb for progress |
| 10:23:42 | mrkiko | linuxstb: thank you |
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| 11:23:18 | webguest30 | is it a problem for rockbox if my ID3 tags are written to in ISO 8859 and UTF16 within the same tag ? |
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| 11:34:01 | pixelma | webguest30: hmm? I can't imagine that two different codepages work within the same tag anywhere... |
| 11:35:40 | webguest30 | well it is unusual but what i have is the generl track info is written in ISO and the RG info is written in UTF16 in the same tag, will rockbox read all the info ? |
| 11:35:41 | amiconn | Well, it could work, if the UTF16 formatted fields are marked with a BOM or similar. Not sure whether this is allowed in ID3 tags |
| 11:36:05 | amiconn | ...and whether rockbox supports it. |
| 11:37:24 | webguest30 | if the RG info appears in rockbox's "ID3 track info" does it mean that rockbox is ok with it ? |
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| 11:39:07 | webguest30 | the problem is that Foobar from v9 onwards only writes in UTF, they have discarded ISO, hence the mix in code pages in my tags |
| 11:39:08 | amiconn | Yes, although that makes me wonder even more about this RG stuff ... |
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| 11:39:45 | amiconn | If RG is really as important as its users state, you should notice whether RG works or not... |
| 11:39:50 | * | amiconn doesn't use RG at all |
| 11:40:20 | webguest30 | RG is really nice, and there is a difference in album volume levels, thats why I'm asking |
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| 11:41:30 | webguest30 | the difference in volume levels between albums would be very irritating without Replay gain |
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| 11:42:24 | webguest30 | looks like I'll have to find am older version of Foobar to RG my albums with |
| 11:42:44 | pixelma | did you already try? |
| 11:42:45 | webguest30 | *sigh* |
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| 11:43:10 | amiconn | I would think that if rockbox displays the values, it also uses them |
| 11:46:14 | webguest30 | ok, but I'll experiment just to be sure, and amiconn, RG is great for playing back albums at the same volume, don't have to grab for the volume control when a loud album pops up, most modern albums are recorded very loudly, no dynamic range at all |
| 11:46:41 | * | amiconn would rather be irritated if album volume differences were leveled out |
| 11:46:55 | amiconn | I know what RG does, and I deliberately don't use it |
| 11:47:33 | scorche | RG isnt going to fix the dynamic range...and this isnt a discussion on why amiconn should use RG... |
| 11:47:35 | webguest30 | the volume changes within a album is retained |
| 11:47:52 | webguest30 | roghto i'm off thanks |
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| 12:28:29 | daurnimator | amiconn: its just easier on the ears, and you never have to adjust your volumne |
| 12:29:14 | amiconn | No need to try to convince me. I rather keep the natural volume differences |
| 12:29:51 | daurnimator | newer albums are so much louder than older albums |
| 12:30:03 | daurnimator | you need to turn down/up when you swap from one to the other |
| 12:30:09 | * | amiconn *very* rarely needs to adjust volume because of that |
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| 12:44:48 | pathobitch | i never get more than 50% on my battery charge |
| 12:47:53 | pixelma | can you be more specific? I don't even know whether this is a question... ;) |
| 12:49:46 | krz | hi! anyone from mentors here? |
| 12:49:49 | pathobitch | im chargin up my sansa overday but its just giving me 50% juice which is depleting too fast and its hard to get through the night listening to music while im workin |
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| 12:51:15 | krz | gevaerts: hi! i've just updated the GUI for checking wps. any feedback? :-) |
| 12:51:48 | pixelma | pathobitch: how do you charge it (in the original firmware I suppose)? How old is your Sansa (c200 or e200)? How old is your installed Rockbox version? How long is "a night through"? |
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| 12:53:13 | gevaerts | krz: give me some time :) |
| 12:53:22 | pathobitch | firmwares a few days old on an e200 and a night through would be a couple of days at most pixelma |
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| 12:53:54 | pathobitch | i charge it with the uhm.. the window which lets me read/write on the sansa |
| 12:54:25 | pathobitch | its the only mode that allows a connection with the vista pc |
| 12:54:58 | * | Mouser_X has a similar problem as pathobitch. |
| 12:55:43 | Mouser_X | For whatever reason, my Sansa e250 doesn't charge when connected to a PC (using OF or Rockbox). I have to use a wall charger. |
| 12:55:50 | krz | gevaerts: sorry, sure! :-) |
| 12:55:55 | Mouser_X | (Using the wall charger works great though.) |
| 12:56:08 | pathobitch | wow |
| 12:56:19 | pathobitch | dont have a wall charger myself |
| 12:56:36 | Mouser_X | It's my dad's. He bought it for his c200. |
| 12:57:36 | Mouser_X | And by "won't charge" I should add that it doesn't drain the battery either (that is, although it doesn't get a higher charge when connected to a PC, it doesn't go down either, even if I leave it connected for 16 hours). |
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| 13:02:18 | cendres | usb charging may not be enabled |
| 13:03:16 | Mouser_X | cendres: In the OF? |
| 13:03:31 | cendres | in the device |
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| 13:03:45 | cendres | ya |
| 13:03:47 | Mouser_X | It has no other method of charging... |
| 13:04:10 | Mouser_X | It has 1 port, and that's the serial port, where the USB adapter plugs into. |
| 13:04:23 | cendres | look around in settings to see if it's enabled |
| 13:05:03 | Mouser_X | If that were disabled by default, you do realize that would make it unusable? How would people charge it? |
| 13:05:15 | cendres | if it's not that, then i don't know |
| 13:05:19 | Mouser_X | (It didn't come with a wall charger. My dad found one somewhere else and bought it seperate.) |
| 13:05:31 | cendres | with an ac/dc adapter |
| 13:06:07 | Mouser_X | But it doesn't come with one, and it doesn't say any such thing in the manual. |
| 13:06:25 | Mouser_X | If it was required (by default at least) you'd think they'd point it out. |
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| 13:06:47 | cendres | either way. if usb charging was disabled in settings, it would explain why it doesn't charge from usb |
| 13:06:57 | Mouser_X | I'll look, but I don't have my Sansa here. I'll have to do it later. |
| 13:07:15 | cendres | i need to go to work. cya |
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| 13:15:07 | Mouser_X | I just looked (I had to go get something anyway, so I grabbed it). No such setting exists. |
| 13:15:18 | Mouser_X | In the Sansa OF that is. |
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| 13:21:45 | salty-horse | attached some full-unicode DejaVuSans fonts to flyspray: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8877 |
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| 13:25:29 | moos | salty-horse: is there any boldish version? |
| 13:25:40 | * | moos checks |
| 13:26:59 | moos | I canot open the tar file |
| 13:27:12 | salty-horse | moos, they don't look as well. |
| 13:27:14 | salty-horse | sec |
| 13:28:28 | salty-horse | moos, the tar file is ok here |
| 13:28:40 | moos | let's retry then |
| 13:28:59 | salty-horse | notice it's a tar.gz |
| 13:29:10 | salty-horse | this is the ttf2bdf I used: http://anakin.ncst.ernet.in/~aparna/consolidated/CD/ttf2bdf/ |
| 13:29:21 | moos | ok, got it |
| 13:29:24 | salty-horse | you could try converting DejaVuSans-Bold and others |
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| 13:29:45 | salty-horse | (use -p to set point size) |
| 13:30:27 | salty-horse | you can also try this (which uses freetype 2 instead of 1), but the output is uglier: http://crl.nmsu.edu/~mleisher/ttf2bdf.html |
| 13:30:55 | moos | thanks |
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| 13:34:52 | gevaerts | krz: I got CheckWpsQt to compile (after fixing the case of some include files). I have some problems with the dll, due to linux/windows differences. |
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| 13:43:35 | krz2 | gevaerts: i didn't check linux version, so, if you can launch it in windows - it would be better =) |
| 13:43:56 | gevaerts | krz2: no problem. I think I nearly got it working now |
| 13:44:28 | gevaerts | krz2: it works now |
| 13:44:30 | krz2 | gevaerts: oh, thats good. in linux? or windows? =) |
| 13:44:34 | gevaerts | linux |
| 13:45:07 | krz2 | gevaerts: i've just updated log window, now it skips most of empty lines |
| 13:45:38 | * | DerPapst should really try out colinux... |
| 13:45:53 | krz2 | it is cosmetic improvment =) |
| 13:47:39 | gevaerts | krz2: about the interview, I couldn't get hold of the people who are most interested in the WPS editor yet, so I'm not sure if they are available today |
| 13:48:25 | krz2 | gevaerts: so, may be later. or even tommorow? |
| 13:48:44 | gevaerts | krz2: if tomorrow works for you, that would be perfect |
| 13:48:54 | krz2 | sure :-) |
| 13:49:18 | gevaerts | OK. I'll let you know (by mail and with a comment) as soon as I know more |
| 13:49:46 | krz2 | ok |
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| 13:53:03 | DerPapst | gevaerts... the unofficial gsoc admin of rockbox :-) |
| 13:53:22 | gevaerts | DerPapst: just the unofficial secretary :) |
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| 13:55:51 | DerPapst | hehe :-) |
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| 14:12:43 | Buschel_ | jhMikeS: you there? |
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| 14:17:23 | RubberDucky132 | Could someone link me to the Wiki page on how to patch? I'm having trouble finding it |
| 14:17:35 | RubberDucky132 | (assuming there is a wiki page on how to patch) |
| 14:18:20 | PaulJam | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=WorkingWithPatches |
| 14:18:51 | RubberDucky132 | Thanks |
| 14:21:48 | RubberDucky132 | So I have to patch the source then compile it? |
| 14:22:14 | PaulJam | yes |
| 14:23:16 | RubberDucky132 | Bugger... |
| 14:24:36 | RubberDucky132 | How does one go about compiling in Windows then? And how do you compile for a specific platform? |
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| 14:26:27 | RubberDucky132 | Nvm didn't see the forum on it :) |
| 14:26:33 | PaulJam | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex , see the section "for developers". i found the "SimpleGuideToCompiling" quite useful. |
| 14:27:48 | RubberDucky132 | PaulJam: yes I'm reading through it now it's a very nice guide thanks :) |
| 14:29:36 | PaulJam | if you find this too much work, you could look in the "unsupprted builds" section in the forums if you find a build for your player that already includes the patch. (but remember: no suppot for these builds) |
| 14:30:02 | jhMikeS | Buschel_: yep |
| 14:30:55 | Buschel_ | jhMikeS: great! |
| 14:31:33 | Buschel_ | jhMikeS: suggestion regarding r17071 -> why not disabling MAX_PHYS_SECTOR_SIZE in the video's config file? |
| 14:32:02 | jhMikeS | because the 5.5g needs it |
| 14:32:25 | jhMikeS | but doesn't need that hack code for the 30gig |
| 14:32:27 | Buschel_ | jhMikeS: but only the 80GB one. my0 5.5G 30GB does not need it |
| 14:32:33 | Buschel_ | *my |
| 14:32:36 | RubberDucky132 | Oh I love tinkering so I'll try this out first :) I have run on Linux before so I'm faaaairly familiar with compiling (so far as make > make install :P) |
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| 14:32:58 | Buschel_ | I changed to config-file to only use MAX_PHYS_SECTOR_SIZE when MEM!=32 |
| 14:33:40 | gevaerts | Buschel_: MEM==32 also runs on the 80G IIRC. That change would break that |
| 14:33:41 | jhMikeS | Mine has 2048 byte sectors in USB |
| 14:34:51 | jhMikeS | I don't know if that matters for the RB stack though |
| 14:35:33 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: it doesn't matter for the stack as such, but it does matter for the host |
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| 14:37:40 | Buschel_ | ok, geveart's point is a good one −− so, I'll keep this change for my build only |
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| 14:38:38 | Buschel_ | another question: anyone here with a PP5002-based target willing to test a patch? |
| 14:51:52 | * | DerPapst doesn'T have his 3G with him :-( |
| 14:52:19 | DerPapst | i can test it monday if no one steped forward until then. |
| 14:52:34 | n1s | jhMikeS: I played a little with your spi driver last night and it seems to work nicely for reading/writing the rtc in the pmic :) |
| 14:53:17 | n1s | however the rtc driver should be interrupt based too i think so I need to get interrupts from the pmic, any clues? |
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| 14:53:57 | amiconn | MAX_PHYS_SECTOR_SIZE matters for the ata driver, precisely it's needed when an MK8011GAH is installed |
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| 14:56:11 | amiconn | The ata driver only uses the sector cache if the disk needs it, so it doesn't hurt to enable it for all video ipods |
| 14:58:59 | amiconn | The only drawback is slightly more code - that's why it's not enabled for all hdd based targets |
| 14:59:40 | amiconn | Buschel_: What kind of patch? |
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| 15:01:52 | * | amiconn has 2 PP5002 targets to choose from :) |
| 15:02:33 | Buschel_ | back again. |
| 15:02:43 | Buschel_ | amiconn: asm-optimization in pcm_pp.c |
| 15:02:54 | jhMikeS | n1s: working on that now. what about using the one on the imx31? |
| 15:02:54 | Buschel_ | i can only check for PP5020 |
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| 15:04:25 | n1s | jhMikeS: if we want to completely cut power to the cpu when the player is turned "off" and keep the time and have the possibility of alarm wakeup |
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| 15:05:49 | jhMikeS | Depends if that circuit is actually cut or not or if it gets juice even if the core power is off |
| 15:08:18 | Buschel | amiconn: http://www.sendspace.com/file/dc5hbd |
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| 15:08:58 | * | Buschel is cleaning up his local changes and not yet submitted patches |
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| 15:09:55 | Buschel | anyone has some accessories to test patch FS #8603 against a 5G/5.5G? |
| 15:10:25 | Buschel | for 2 months nobody could verifiy the patch :/ it saves quite a lot of power |
| 15:10:35 | Buschel | *verify |
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| 15:15:13 | gevaerts | Domonoky: can you join #rockbox-gsoc for a bit ? |
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| 15:17:14 | Domonoky | gevaerts: sure. but my time is a bit limited at moment.. :-) |
| 15:19:23 | n1s | jhMikeS: do you think it would be better to work on the internal rtc? |
| 15:19:51 | amiconn | Buschel: Now that's an annoying file transfer service... doesn't work at all. "Please wait... link is loading... " forever |
| 15:20:23 | * | amiconn wonders why Buschel doesn't use the quasi-standard pastebin.ca, or an own little webserver |
| 15:21:07 | Buschel | amiconn: http://pastebin.com/m51a17c2f |
| 15:21:54 | jhMikeS | n1s: if it does everything we need. it's less SPI traffic afterall. |
| 15:22:42 | jhMikeS | of couse it could always be initialized from the PMIC, used while powered up and the PMIC can still handle the wakeup |
| 15:23:14 | n1s | jhMikeS: from what I understand an alarm wakeup should work the the SoC in "Deep Sleep" mode (arm core powered down etc) so it might be enough |
| 15:23:35 | n1s | Ok so I will now try usin the internal one instead :) |
| 15:25:36 | amiconn | n1s: Did I miss something and the beast already plays music? |
| 15:25:49 | n1s | amiconn: no |
| 15:26:28 | amiconn | Hmm, then I'd think alarm wakeup is a quite unimportant thing to work on now... |
| 15:26:39 | n1s | this is however my first try at writing low level code so i thought I should start with something I could grasp |
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| 15:27:29 | n1s | yeah alarm wakeup is no priority, just wanted to know if it would work or if we would need to switch to the external rtc for that |
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| 15:30:40 | amiconn | Buschel: Got the patch now, but gotta go. Will test later. |
| 15:30:47 | n1s | but as jhMikeS said we could of course use the internal one while running and the external one while powered down |
| 15:30:47 | jhMikeS | the beast has ridiculous redundancy |
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| 15:44:22 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: what kind? |
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| 15:48:00 | RubberDucky132 | Could anyone provide help for a newbie patcher? I've got my cygwin all set up and my bmp resize .patch file, I think I need to make a .diff file now, is that right? |
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| 15:49:45 | Buschel | RubberDucky132: copy the .patch-file to the rockbox-folder and call "patch -p0 < patchfile" |
| 15:50:17 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: stuff is duplicated in the PMIC that's also in other hardware |
| 15:51:12 | RubberDucky132 | Buschel: Done, is that it? |
| 15:51:27 | jhMikeS | The PMIC is very much like the AS3514 in terms of what it has on board |
| 15:51:32 | RubberDucky132 | Buschel: Apart from compiling |
| 15:51:39 | Buschel | yes |
| 15:51:45 | RubberDucky132 | Wonderful |
| 15:58:25 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: ok I see |
| 15:59:23 | jhMikeS | I don't think the internal audio codec is hooked up which is unfortunate because then it could be used for voice and beeps instead of the PCM buffer |
| 15:59:36 | RubberDucky132 | Why is it sometimes RB doesn't switch my iPod to disk mode when i plug in the USB connector and sometimes it does? |
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| 16:00:17 | gevaerts | RubberDucky132: can you try a different USB port ? |
| 16:00:36 | RubberDucky132 | gevaerts: Ok but it is being detected by the PC |
| 16:00:47 | * | jhMikeS has a functioning PMIC interrupt - power button and hp detection work |
| 16:01:14 | RubberDucky132 | gevaerts: the backlight even lights up on the iPod, it knows it's being plugged in to the USB port (same happend on the other port) |
| 16:01:27 | moos | jhMikeS: wee ! |
| 16:01:37 | gevaerts | Interesting. |
| 16:02:23 | Nico_P | \o/ |
| 16:02:25 | BigBambi | jhMikeS: \ô/ |
| 16:03:14 | RubberDucky132 | gevaerts: This isn't the first time either, my old iPod 30G did it to |
| 16:04:21 | gevaerts | Are you using the same USB cable ? |
| 16:04:25 | * | jhMikeS likes how the power off just reboots it instead of staying off. can this thing even be shut off? |
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| 16:05:31 | BigBambi | I hope so |
| 16:05:51 | BigBambi | The battery is completely dead after a few days of the OF being 'Off' |
| 16:08:45 | moos | this silly suspend thing |
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| 16:09:37 | moos | The Giagbeat F have the same problem, even if isn't in the same proportion |
| 16:10:19 | BigBambi | The F turns off properly with Rockbox doen't it? |
| 16:10:29 | jhMikeS | I think the wakeup alarm might just be set to go off immediately |
| 16:10:57 | RubberDucky132 | gevaerts: yep |
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| 16:12:32 | moos | BigBambi: it does but for OF that was the same IIRC, and if you don't switch the batterie Off, the batterie will empty relatively fast... |
| 16:12:53 | BigBambi | Huh, I've never noticed |
| 16:13:45 | moos | just don't use your F few days without swisching batterie Off, and you will notice |
| 16:14:54 | markun | BigBambi: we only found out how to put the Gigabeat in sleep mode |
| 16:15:13 | BigBambi | I believe you guys, I just didn't know :) |
| 16:15:42 | BigBambi | The F takes ages to start up then, if it is sleep mode already :) |
| 16:16:06 | gevaerts | My Gigabeat usually says that its battery is empty on the first try to turn it on. It works fine the second time |
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| 16:20:03 | BigBambi | The external battery switch is a nice touch (just a shame it clears the RTC!) |
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| 16:21:00 | markun | gevaerts: yes, I also get that a lot |
| 16:21:40 | markun | maybe we need to deinit the ADC when we shutdown rockbox |
| 16:22:37 | RubberDucky132 | Does rockbox automatically get as much of a playlist into RAM from an HDD or do I need to turn the shock buffer up? |
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| 16:23:40 | gevaerts | ByeongKeon: did you see my mail ? |
| 16:24:12 | n1s | RubberDucky132: the antiskip buffer only affects the low watermark where rockbox starts refilling the buffer |
| 16:24:30 | n1s | iow large anti skip buffer -> early refill |
| 16:24:46 | RubberDucky132 | n1s: so it's better not to turn that up? |
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| 16:25:03 | n1s | generally yes |
| 16:25:37 | RubberDucky132 | So I take it Rockbox does indeed fill the RAM up to x% with your playlist? |
| 16:26:26 | n1s | it fills as much as it can in the buffer |
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| 16:27:32 | Casainho | hello :-) |
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| 16:28:19 | gevaerts | krz2: did you get my mail ? |
| 16:28:38 | Casainho | I am looking for help with permissions on Linux, when untar "arm-linux-gcc-3.4.3..." |
| 16:28:42 | n1s | I wonder if making this rtc thingy interrupt based is needed, the polling in get_time() is limited to once per second anyways |
| 16:30:03 | Casainho | I am trying to untar that file but I got an error saying something like "can't change the owner for "uid" 500, "gid" 500": operation not permited −− I am as root... |
| 16:30:13 | krazykit | Casainho, you should probably ask a linux channel, as that's not related to rockbox |
| 16:30:13 | Casainho | can someone please help? |
| 16:30:18 | BigBambi | Casainho: You should ask google or a linux channel |
| 16:30:24 | Casainho | okok - sorry |
| 16:30:38 | DerPapst | #ubuntu i guess :-) |
| 16:30:41 | gevaerts | Casainho: (1) no need to do this as root, and (2) you can safely ignore these errors |
| 16:31:58 | Casainho | gevaerts: thanks - I will ignore then −− I am right know trying to have cross compiliers for ARMs... - there is very good information on TWiki of Rockbox however I have the needs for others because I am using u-boot :-) |
| 16:32:20 | krz2 | gevaerts: yes, but it is better to make interview on sunday, or may be today in the evening, because om monday or tuesday i can do it only in the evening(about 19-22 UTC) |
| 16:33:38 | gevaerts | krz2: evening is fine for us. The problem is that the prospective mentors for WPS don't have time on sunday. |
| 16:34:08 | krz2 | gevaerts: so lets make it in the evening =) |
| 16:34:29 | gevaerts | OK, monday evening, 19:00 UTC ? |
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| 16:35:39 | krz2 | gevaerts: i also updated application - forgot some source files =) but it doesn't touch binaaries |
| 16:35:53 | krz2 | *binaries |
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| 16:40:30 | RubberDucky132 | Oh dear, the bmp resize patch didn't seem to work; bmp isn't resizing! Could it be the themes fault? |
| 16:40:39 | gevaerts | krz2: can you confirm that monday evening, 19:00 UTC is ok for you ? |
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| 16:42:12 | RubberDucky132 | Should a .patch file be empty after applying it? |
| 16:42:20 | n1s | no |
| 16:42:43 | RubberDucky132 | Well it definetly had stuff in it before I applied it :S i opened it to check |
| 16:43:19 | n1s | then you did something wrong :) |
| 16:43:30 | RubberDucky132 | apparently so! |
| 16:43:32 | robin0800 | playlist on sansa c240 dosent scan microsd card just produces an error. |
| 16:43:35 | gevaerts | RubberDucky132: you did run 'patch -p0 < patchfile', right, and not '>' ? |
| 16:44:18 | RubberDucky132 | gevaerts: I did mean to, unless it was fat fingers yes |
| 16:44:39 | krz2 | gevaerts: yes, i'll be here. if anything changes - i will say to you. |
| 16:44:48 | gevaerts | krz2: thanks |
| 16:45:06 | RubberDucky132 | gevaerts: does the name of the patch file matter? I did change that |
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| 16:45:33 | gevaerts | RubberDucky132: the name doesn't matter, as long as you use the same name everywhere :) |
| 16:45:51 | RubberDucky132 | meaning in cygwin as well? |
| 16:46:49 | gevaerts | RubberDucky132: I mean if the patch file is called bmpresize.patch, the command is 'patch -p0 < bmpresize.patch' |
| 16:47:03 | RubberDucky132 | ok |
| 16:47:33 | RubberDucky132 | well I just did it again and it didn't change to 0kb |
| 16:47:38 | RubberDucky132 | i'm guessing then i did > |
| 16:48:04 | RubberDucky132 | (which i assume means convert the patch to the original source, which means change nothing, so it empties?) |
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| 16:50:55 | gevaerts | RubberDucky132: no. '>' means 'send the output of this program to the file', and patch produces no output, so it empties that file |
| 16:51:22 | gevaerts | RubberDucky132: but this is getting off-topic... |
| 16:51:54 | gevaerts | ByeongKeon: did you get my mail ? |
| 16:52:02 | RubberDucky132 | gevaerts: Ok, well i'm compiling again now so i'm hoping 2nd time is the charm |
| 16:52:21 | ByeongKeon | hello, gevaerts. |
| 16:52:52 | ByeongKeon | gevaerts: I got your mail. |
| 16:54:24 | gevaerts | ByeongKeon: great. is that time still ok for you |
| 16:57:24 | ByeongKeon | gevaerts: I'm ok. |
| 16:57:38 | gevaerts | ByeongKeon: ok. thanks |
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| 17:09:20 | ByeongKeon | gevaerts: can i ask you something? |
| 17:09:25 | gevaerts | ByeongKeon: sure |
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| 17:10:18 | ByeongKeon | Whenever you leave some comments on my application, I got email from 'google.com'. |
| 17:10:24 | ByeongKeon | but, this time. |
| 17:10:53 | ByeongKeon | gevaerts: I didn't got any mail from google. |
| 17:11:38 | gevaerts | For these scheduling things, I'm both leaving comments, and sending mails directly. |
| 17:15:57 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I suppose aliask's FS #8792 can be closed now? |
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| 17:18:56 | TatshX | is there test firmware for ipod nano 2g? |
| 17:19:03 | TatshX | that i can risk trying |
| 17:19:06 | krazykit | no |
| 17:19:45 | krazykit | because no one has done any work on porting rockbox to the newer ipods, which include the nano 2g and 3g and the classics. |
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| 17:23:57 | ByeongKeon | gevaerts: could you start the schedule little early for me? |
| 17:25:52 | gevaerts | ByeongKeon: I'll see what we can do. |
| 17:26:04 | ByeongKeon | gevaerts: '12th at 21:00 UTC' is AM 6:00 in my timezone |
| 17:27:17 | ByeongKeon | gevaerts: so, If we start it '12th at 21:00 UTC', I can't go to bed. |
| 17:28:24 | gevaerts | ByeongKeon: I know. I'll try to let you know soon, but I need to get hold of one person first... |
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| 17:38:51 | * | Nico_P had forgotten how nice a target the H300 is |
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| 17:43:44 | n1s | hmm, setting the time doesn't work :/ |
| 17:45:32 | gevaerts | ByeongKeon: would the 13th at 18:00 UTC work ? Or maybe 21:00 UTC (getting up early instead of going to bed late...) ? I _think_ the right people are available then |
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| 17:48:33 | ByeongKeon | gevaerts: "13th at UTC" is better for me. |
| 17:49:30 | ByeongKeon | gevaerts: Thank you. |
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| 17:50:33 | gevaerts | ByeongKeon: we can also do earlier on the 13th. Maybe 13:00 UTC or 14:00 UTC ? (22:00 or 23:00 your time) |
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| 17:52:18 | ByeongKeon | Both 13:00 or 14:00 UTC are great for me. :D |
| 17:52:54 | gevaerts | Let's do 13:00 |
| 17:53:13 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: What I'm about to commit adds the functionality |
| 17:53:13 | ByeongKeon | Thank you. :D |
| 17:53:32 | Nico_P | nice :) |
| 17:54:04 | ByeongKeon | gevaerts: see you tomorrow. |
| 17:54:14 | gevaerts | ByeongKeon: good night |
| 17:55:06 | jhMikeS | I guess I'll throw-in the debug info that goes with that as well |
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| 17:57:47 | preglow | anyone know if the dab version of cowon d2 has both fm and dab? |
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| 18:01:09 | Bagder | no idea |
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| 18:04:21 | preglow | hm, no, it never seems to be mentioned |
| 18:04:33 | preglow | i guess it doesn't matter much anyway, i don't seem to use the radio much |
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| 18:16:45 | damunix | hi |
| 18:18:34 | gevaerts | hello |
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| 18:42:16 | shotofadds | Hmm.. my first red, and it wasn't even something I did :/ |
| 18:42:28 | shotofadds | segv on the build server.. |
| 18:43:20 | * | perplexity raises an eyebrow and tootles off to check the build server logs |
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| 18:51:57 | Bagder | shotofadds: let's blame rasher until anything else is proven ;-) |
| 18:52:58 | gevaerts | I seem to remember that this has happened before on his server |
| 18:53:52 | DerPapst | 2 lousy points is nothing to worry about :-P |
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| 18:55:23 | shotofadds | to be honest I expected some points much earlier than this... |
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| 19:07:50 | preglow | shotofadds: oy |
| 19:07:56 | preglow | shotofadds: do we have any idea what dab chip is in the d2? |
| 19:08:52 | shotofadds | preglow: nope. with any luck it'll be that same as linuxstb's dax |
| 19:10:25 | shotofadds | btw. the D2 DAB has both FM and DAB. |
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| 19:11:59 | DavidSG | just posted my solution to the gsoc test on my page. |
| 19:13:49 | * | gevaerts updates the schedule :) |
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| 19:15:08 | preglow | shotofadds: ahh, good to know |
| 19:15:15 | preglow | shotofadds: i'll very probably be getting one next week |
| 19:15:26 | shotofadds | (but the FM tuner is /really/ bad# |
| 19:15:38 | shotofadds | arrgh why can I never type properly... |
| 19:15:45 | gevaerts | DavidSG: Failure to find: tmp/rcc/release_shared/qrc_application.cpp |
| 19:15:57 | DavidSG | sorry just a sec |
| 19:16:25 | preglow | shotofadds: i'm more interested in the dab tuner anyway :) |
| 19:16:32 | preglow | which i hear is decent, but nothing to hoist the flag over |
| 19:16:34 | shotofadds | preglow: don't worry everything will be working by next week.... ;-) |
| 19:16:56 | shotofadds | the DAB is pretty good. no complaints here. |
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| 19:18:04 | preglow | so you've got a dab one? |
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| 19:18:30 | * | preglow looks forward to statically linking another codec to get dab working |
| 19:19:00 | shotofadds | yes, but I haven't even opened it. DAB is some way off my agenda.... |
| 19:19:48 | shotofadds | preglow: nah, just make DAB a plugin. That's be fun :-) |
| 19:20:27 | DavidSG | gevaerts: ok it is posted again |
| 19:22:11 | preglow | haha |
| 19:22:17 | preglow | might be a good first step, actually |
| 19:22:40 | n1s | what codec/bitrate does dab use? |
| 19:23:13 | Llorean | MPEG-2, and "not good enough for whiny wikipedia posters" I think. |
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| 19:23:31 | preglow | mpeg layer 2 |
| 19:23:40 | Llorean | right, that |
| 19:23:44 | preglow | bitrates from 64 to 256, i've seen |
| 19:23:47 | preglow | seldom good enough |
| 19:23:53 | preglow | audible artifacts are not at all seldom |
| 19:24:11 | shotofadds | it's all 128k here in the uk. sounds "not great" :/ |
| 19:24:30 | shotofadds | (but still way better than the D2's FM reception...) |
| 19:24:49 | shotofadds | s/128k/128k-or-less |
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| 19:24:53 | preglow | sounds like the analogue -> digital satelitte thing all over again |
| 19:24:56 | preglow | from ok picture to worse |
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| 19:25:24 | shotofadds | it's quantity vs. quality again. there's no money in quality. |
| 19:25:30 | crwll | here in finland it was mostly 256k (i think), but the broadcasting company quit beaming them a while ago... |
| 19:25:55 | shotofadds | (back on topic) a plugin would at least allow you to dump to disk, anyway. |
| 19:26:01 | preglow | deed |
| 19:26:10 | preglow | was it you that said someone said the d2 should be upgradable to dab+? |
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| 19:26:28 | preglow | probably just means the receiver chip is a pure receiver/demodulator |
| 19:26:52 | DavidSG | gevaerts: is it working now? |
| 19:27:03 | shotofadds | supposedly somebody enquired at cowon's german rep (where they are switching to DAB+) and they confirmed. |
| 19:27:16 | gevaerts | DavidSG: it seems to work. |
| 19:27:50 | gevaerts | DavidSG: maybe mention in the readme that if you use the patch, you still need the pngs from the binary |
| 19:28:13 | DavidSG | cool, can i ask what opperating system you are using? Sure I will add it right away |
| 19:28:28 | gevaerts | I'm on linux (debian unstable) |
| 19:28:54 | DavidSG | thank you |
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| 19:37:01 | DerPapst | UI for 1dtetris almost done ^^ |
| 19:38:06 | Nico_P | tetris 1d looks like the most fun unattended game ever! |
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| 19:40:46 | * | gevaerts would prefer 1drockblox |
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| 19:43:54 | krazykit | 1drocktris |
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| 19:51:11 | damunix | Hi gevaerts |
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| 19:55:08 | Keph | hey guys |
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| 19:56:51 | damunix | /msg nickserv set unfiltered on |
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| 19:58:49 | Kephu | forgot my nick's Kephu on freenode |
| 19:59:19 | Kephu | is there a way to toggle which directories are excluded from database? |
| 19:59:53 | DerPapst | put a file "database.ignore" in the dir that should be ignored. |
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| 20:00:34 | BHSPitMonkey | gevaerts, did you receive my reply? |
| 20:00:36 | Kephu | thanks ;) |
| 20:00:51 | gevaerts | BHSPitMonkey: I just saw it, yes. Thanks |
| 20:00:58 | Kephu | is it recursive, or do I have to put it in subfolders as well? |
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| 20:01:39 | DerPapst | BHSPitLappy: finnished your task? |
| 20:01:49 | PaulJam | another way is via a custom tagnavi.config file (if you want the dir to be included in one view but not in another) |
| 20:02:11 | BHSPitMonkey | DerPapst, no, today's kind of my first day to start working on it :[ |
| 20:02:29 | BHSPitMonkey | This past week of class has been nuts |
| 20:02:34 | DerPapst | ah... |
| 20:02:46 | DerPapst | too bad. |
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| 20:02:56 | BHSPitMonkey | Hmm? |
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| 20:04:40 | Kephu | from what I've gathered, pictureflow does not recognize images embedded in files via itunes, is that correct? |
| 20:04:50 | Horscht | nope |
| 20:05:29 | Horscht | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt |
| 20:05:44 | Kephu | and it still only supports bmps, there have been no sneak updates to the rockbox core? ;) |
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| 20:06:23 | Horscht | oh, my "nope" was wrong |
| 20:06:24 | Kephu | Horscht: I know, I'm on the page now, I just wanted to be sure - this will mean quite a bit of work, which I'd rather avoid unless necessary ;) |
| 20:06:34 | Kephu | hm? |
| 20:06:50 | Horscht | it should have said "yes, you are correct" |
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| 20:07:13 | Kephu | damn, and I was just getting my hopes up ;) |
| 20:07:35 | Horscht | as your question was clearly "is that correct" and not "does rockbox support embedded album art |
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| 20:09:29 | linuxstb | Kephu: Does itunes embed album art in files? I thought it created its own album art database? |
| 20:10:21 | Horscht | good thing I have not once used itunes :D |
| 20:10:37 | Horscht | and have my album art "exbedded" (if tbhat |
| 20:10:48 | Horscht | (if thats's a word) |
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| 20:11:59 | Kephu | linuxstb: it does. If you don't have an itunes account (or, as in my case, there's no itunes store in your country at all), you can paste artwork in file info |
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| 20:12:48 | Horscht | anyways, reas the "How to Use Embedded iTunes Cover Art On An iPod" section of the albumart wiki |
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| 20:20:49 | [TiZ] | Hey, guys... The viewport tag for WPSs... can you omit the background color and foreground color? |
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| 20:21:36 | linuxstb | No |
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| 20:22:40 | [TiZ] | Augh, drat. |
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| 20:23:11 | linuxstb | [TiZ]: Why is that a problem? |
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| 20:23:47 | [TiZ] | It means that in order to create a version of my theme that uses black text instead of white text, I'll have to create additional WPSs. |
| 20:24:05 | [TiZ] | I already have two WPSs to put it on the left or right side of the screen. |
| 20:24:52 | [TiZ] | Ideally, I'd have it just use the already defined colors. |
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| 20:26:35 | n1s | linuxstb: have you seen FS #8517 (thinking you have been hacking a bit at the wps code lately) :) |
| 20:26:54 | n1s | insert question mark where appropriate... |
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| 20:28:32 | Mouser_X | n1s: Funny thing is, my mind inserted the "?" without me even realizing it wasn't there... |
| 20:29:48 | Kephu | huh. Pictureflow's still "preparing album artwork" for a very long time. Was this database.ignore file supposed to contain something? |
| 20:30:14 | Kephu | because the "preparing" time's roughly the same, despite having much less to work with |
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| 20:31:16 | Kephu | aaand it dies with "no albums found" - the hell? |
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| 20:33:03 | [TiZ] | When converting fonts with Rockbox Font Converter, should I turn off antialiasing, cleartype, all that good stuff? |
| 20:33:04 | linuxstb | n1s: Yes, I've seen it... Have you pointed Nico_P to it? |
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| 20:33:44 | n1s | ah, yes he was the one who put in aa, no I haven't seems to forget when he's around |
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| 20:34:16 | n1s | shame having bugfixes (if that's what it is) rotting in the tracker |
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| 20:36:25 | linuxstb | n1s: Yes, it seems a bug, but also doesn't seem the best fix. e.g. shouldn't the mask just be a #define, rather than a variable? |
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| 20:36:47 | DerPapst | bummer... the old archos daps with bitmap display don't 1dtetris :-P |
| 20:37:09 | Horscht | 1dtetris ftw |
| 20:37:18 | Horscht | is there a rockbox plugin? |
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| 20:37:36 | DerPapst | not yet :-) |
| 20:38:04 | DerPapst | linuxstb: while speaking of preprocessor magic.. can you check test_viewports? there is a mistake a #else (...) has to be #elif |
| 20:38:14 | n1s | linuxstb: that would seem reasonable, yes |
| 20:38:15 | DerPapst | linuxstb: don't know the line number though |
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| 20:39:18 | n1s | or at least static const to avoid recreating it everytime the function is called... |
| 20:39:31 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Didn't someone commit a fix for that? |
| 20:39:48 | DerPapst | haven't noticed. |
| 20:39:57 | linuxstb | Seems they didn't (checking the svn logs) |
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| 20:57:49 | * | phinze is ready for his interview... hopefully |
| 20:58:16 | DerPapst | heh... |
| 20:58:22 | linuxstb | phinze: I think we're running late... The interview previous to your's has just started. |
| 20:58:49 | phinze | linuxstb: no problem... rough ETA? |
| 20:59:19 | gevaerts | phinze: I guess no more than 20 or 30 minutes |
| 20:59:36 | phinze | gevaerts: sounds good... i'll be here |
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| 21:00:03 | [TiZ] | Hey, I need to double-check something. If I converted Arial Unicode MS and included it with my theme, you guys wouldn't like that very much, would you? |
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| 21:01:50 | linuxstb | [TiZ]: It's up to you what you share on your own webspace. Any files hosted by rockbox.org must be "legal" - i.e. have a license that says that they may be redistributed in the format we are redistributing in. |
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| 21:02:27 | [TiZ] | Argh. Licensing frustration. Yeah, that's what I was looking for. There goes that idea. |
| 21:02:33 | [TiZ] | Thanks for the info. |
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| 21:10:09 | markun | [TiZ]: you could add instructions how people can convert their own copy of Arial Unicode MS.. |
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| 21:13:23 | Mouser_X | Would a link to the font work? |
| 21:13:30 | Mouser_X | It wouldn't be hosted on Rockbox... |
| 21:15:00 | linuxstb | Aren't there any equivalent Free fonts? |
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| 21:30:00 | saratoga | when someone resumes a file after powering off rockbox, how is the offset to reume playback stored? |
| 21:31:05 | n1s | in nvram(.bin) |
| 21:31:09 | linuxstb | It depends on the codec I think. Some (e.g. mp3, or maybe only mp3) store the byte offset, others store the offset in ms. But I'm sure there's room for improvement here. |
| 21:32:19 | [TiZ] | markun: My experiences with converting fonts on windows is not pleasant. |
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| 21:34:09 | JuanPrada | hi |
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| 21:34:47 | JuanPrada | i just created a theme and i'd want to ask for permissiono to edit the wiki :] |
| 21:36:38 | Chronon | Is JuanPrada your wikiname? |
| 21:38:22 | JuanPrada | Yep |
| 21:38:28 | Chronon | one sec |
| 21:39:17 | JuanPrada | Is the first time I use my real name on the net! I'm registered in the forums with 'countach' nickname |
| 21:39:23 | Chronon | ok. You should be all set |
| 21:39:37 | Chronon | I know the feeling. |
| 21:40:01 | JuanPrada | Thanks, I'll make a post in the forum and then modify the wiki |
| 21:40:14 | Chronon | Great. :) |
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| 21:43:55 | Chronon | By the way, I thought I'd mention that the config file option appendix is not up to date. I posted a patch at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8880 to include the options for the line selector start and end color. |
| 21:44:14 | Chronon | I don't think the wiki page is exactly up to speed either. I can take another look later. |
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| 21:44:48 | saratoga | these bitmap strip changes are great |
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| 21:45:09 | saratoga | they've somehow cut the "build zip" step on my machine by at least a factor of two in quickness |
| 21:45:33 | Chronon | nice. |
| 21:45:46 | shotofadds | unzipping to the device is so much quicker now. i'm doing rather a lot of that at the moment :/ |
| 21:46:01 | Chronon | I guess all of those tiny graphics add up during archiving/extraction |
| 21:46:04 | saratoga | yes |
| 21:46:09 | saratoga | i wish we'd done this ages ago |
| 21:46:19 | saratoga | would have probably saved me hours of sitting around waiting during testing |
| 21:47:12 | Chronon | I'm off to enjoy some sun. |
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| 22:01:40 | n1s | The changes to lang file building help too, they are now built before the regular rockbox and rebuilt when the lang files change instead of being rebuilt with every 'make zip' as they were before |
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| 22:02:08 | Bagder | right, that's a plus too |
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| 22:11:34 | JuanPrada | i have a (i supouse) silly question: |
| 22:11:54 | JuanPrada | why a _? is displayed behind the teme title= |
| 22:11:56 | JuanPrada | ? |
| 22:17:39 | soap | in what context are you seeing the _, JuanPrada? |
| 22:18:55 | JuanPrada | it shows in the tittle of the theme, in the wiki |
| 22:19:30 | JuanPrada | Here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g I just added the "Blackroad" theme |
| 22:19:51 | JuanPrada | There are other titles with the same thing |
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| 22:20:57 | soap | one sec while the page loads... |
| 22:21:24 | soap | BlackRoad is a "wikiword" |
| 22:21:39 | soap | note the (I think it is called) CamelCase |
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| 22:22:14 | soap | the wiki is trying to make every instance of the word "BlackRoad" into a link to the page called BlackRoad (which does not exist), thus the _? |
| 22:22:26 | * | Bagder was close to reply in the "Rockbox Player" thread but discovered his mistake in time |
| 22:22:29 | soap | preface your unintentional wikiwords with ! |
| 22:22:52 | soap | change BlackRoad to !BlackRoad, the ! won't be shown, and it will prevent the wiki from trying to make the word a link. |
| 22:22:53 | linuxstb | Bagder: Has anything happened yet with that project? |
| 22:23:14 | Bagder | Casahino (?) got linux to boot on his dev board |
| 22:23:27 | Bagder | that's about it |
| 22:23:43 | [TiZ] | Hey, guys.... Llorean and I discussed this here recently, but I want to hear from the rest of you on this... Currently, when you set a backdrop from the context menu, the setting isn't saved when you shut down the player. Any of you think this behavior should be changed? |
| 22:24:00 | Bagder | and I think it came with all the linux stuff as binaries... |
| 22:24:12 | linuxstb | What a surprise... |
| 22:24:26 | soap | JuanPrada, nice looking theme, and nicely commented .wps file, but I do want to ask you one thing... |
| 22:24:26 | Bagder | so the achievement is what my kids would almost manage |
| 22:26:11 | JuanPrada | Thanks!!! |
| 22:26:15 | soap | Please include a license with the WPS. We have too many WPSs already with no clear license. No explicit license = "All Rights Reserved" and that means we can't even touch your theme to update it to (in the future) new WPS syntax if you are unavailable. If you want to maintain it as "All Rights Reserved" please be explicit about it in the wiki and in the .wps file and perhaps in the .zip file itself. If you don't please consider using one of the Creat |
| 22:26:15 | soap | ive Commons licenses, or whatever established one floats your boat. |
| 22:27:00 | JuanPrada | I think I put something like this in the .cfg file |
| 22:27:26 | [TiZ] | Instead of saying "my license type is blah blah blah", can we just define our own terms in a .txt file, like saying "you can do this and this, but not this"? |
| 22:27:36 | soap | again, making note of the chosen license on the wiki page, and somewhere in the .zip (license .txt) and perhaps even in the .wps file itself. That being said, I ASSume you have rights over the automobile photo used. |
| 22:27:50 | linuxstb | [TiZ]: You can, but it's not recommended to try and write a license if you're not a lawyer... |
| 22:27:59 | linuxstb | (or even if you are...) |
| 22:28:03 | soap | TiZ - you can do whatever you want, but a linuxstb beat me. |
| 22:28:15 | [TiZ] | Ugh... The only lawyer experience I have is Phoenix Wright. |
| 22:28:24 | [TiZ] | Blargh. Bureaucracy. :( |
| 22:28:27 | linuxstb | Lots of problems are caused by people who invent their own licenses |
| 22:28:30 | ashes | it would be nice to have a way in rockbox to encrypt an address book |
| 22:29:15 | JuanPrada | It's my automobile, and the photo is taken by me :) |
| 22:29:28 | soap | There is an existing license out there to fit any need. Homemade license restrictions (which is what anything but public domain release is) are a PITA as it makes it hard to clearly sort the themes. |
| 22:29:41 | Bagder | ashes: so write a plugin! |
| 22:29:43 | ashes | an encrypted file suffix, like .aes, which opens a software keyboard to enter the password |
| 22:29:57 | [TiZ] | Creative Commons will probably work for me. I'll just have to read over it before submitting my theme. |
| 22:30:00 | ashes | and loads the file in to memory |
| 22:30:10 | [TiZ] | Anyways, how about that backdrop saving issue? |
| 22:30:11 | Bagder | soap: actually, public domain release is _also_ PITA ... :-) |
| 22:30:38 | soap | making my case for a license! ;) |
| 22:30:45 | Bagder | indeed |
| 22:31:32 | soap | JuanPrada, also consider including contact information in the theme. |
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| 22:32:25 | JuanPrada | ( the background pic in BlackRoad Theme; http://www.flickr.com/photos/countach/878343516/in/set-72157594522493515/ ) Well, I gonna do that license thing. :-] |
| 22:32:29 | amiconn | preglow: Pretty much all DAB stations here use 192kbps and there are usually no audible artifacts as long as reception is good enough |
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| 22:34:35 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Do you think it would be a good idea to make the thread slot count target dependent in general? |
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| 22:34:58 | JuanPrada | i changed BlackRoad to !BlackRoad, and the ! is shown.. |
| 22:35:35 | soap | hmm, that is because it is a heading. |
| 22:35:47 | soap | There is a different trick for headings, isn't there....look at how I changes some of the other ones. |
| 22:36:54 | amiconn | <nop> |
| 22:36:58 | shotofadds | do you need a space before the ! ? |
| 22:37:30 | soap | yes |
| 22:37:37 | soap | −−-+ !BlackRoad |
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| 22:38:21 | amiconn | Or use <nop> instead of ! |
| 22:38:30 | amiconn | That's in fact the older method |
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| 22:38:48 | soap | oh, I thought you were talking something else. I did not know that one. |
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| 22:40:19 | amiconn | eurgh |
| 22:40:37 | amiconn | Buschel's PP pcm patch produces strange noises on PP5002 |
| 22:41:21 | JuanPrada | Thanks again! I just created the topic in the forum http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16360.0 |
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| 22:53:20 | [TiZ] | Guys... I'm very concerned with the current backdrop settings. |
| 22:53:44 | [TiZ] | I have a lot of backdrops, and I like to switch them on a whim. But in order to do that, I have to make a .cfg file for EVERY backdrop I have. |
| 22:54:06 | [TiZ] | That's if I want the settings to be saved |
| 22:54:21 | [TiZ] | I can switch backdrops with the context menu for bmp files, but the settings won't be saved. |
| 22:54:45 | [TiZ] | I already talked with Llorean about this, but I want to hear from the rest of you. |
| 22:54:50 | Horscht | i think they will, if the bacjdrops are in the .rockbox folder |
| 22:54:51 | amiconn | No, you don't. The backdrop needs to be in /.rockbox/backdrops in order to be saved persistently, but you don't need a .cfg |
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| 22:55:00 | [TiZ] | That's what he said too. |
| 22:55:12 | amiconn | This is partially historic, and partially desired behaviour |
| 22:55:15 | [TiZ] | Is there any easy way to get to .rockbox/backdrops? |
| 22:55:23 | [TiZ] | .rockbox is hidden by default |
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| 22:55:38 | Llorean | [TiZ]: You can easily show hidden files from the quick menu |
| 22:55:50 | Llorean | quick screen, rather |
| 22:55:55 | Bagder | imho, the requirement for it to be in that dir for it to become persistent should be removed |
| 22:56:07 | [TiZ] | The quick screen... Oh, isn't that thing where you hold Menu (on iPods)? |
| 22:56:16 | Llorean | [TiZ]: Yes. |
| 22:56:29 | [TiZ] | I agree with Badger here. |
| 22:56:29 | amiconn | Bagder: It has one advantage though: A file in that dir is less likely to become deleted |
| 22:56:41 | Llorean | Bagder: Well, with the induction of viewports, global backdrops are going to probably end up a lot less flexible anyway, I suspect. It's possible the "Set as backdrop..." option should be removed instead. |
| 22:57:12 | [TiZ] | What, and make my backdrop-oriented theme harder still to use? |
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| 22:58:29 | Llorean | [TiZ]: I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this sort of decision will depend on a lot more than just whether it'll make you actually have to provide .cfg files. |
| 22:58:59 | [TiZ] | It's not that I have to provide them. |
| 22:59:08 | [TiZ] | It's every user of my theme who wants to use their own backdrop. |
| 22:59:24 | shotofadds | being able to set a backdrop from an arbitrary .bmp is a worthwhile featue imho |
| 22:59:32 | Llorean | With the viewportification of the UI, it's entirely possible that we'll end up with the option to set backdrops for individual viewports, or have other considerations relating to backdrops, and the idea of just setting an image as a global backdrop without setting up viewports relating to it will vanish. |
| 22:59:54 | Llorean | shotofadds: That will never vanish. The option to do it from the context menu might need to. |
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| 23:00:10 | [TiZ] | That doesn't make any sense to me. |
| 23:00:17 | amiconn | Per-viewport backdrops are very unlikely to happen |
| 23:00:44 | Llorean | amiconn: I challenge that statement. I guarantee that someone will pick away at the idea until they manage to find an acceptable way to do it. |
| 23:00:58 | shotofadds | Sorry, I meant the ability to set from the context menu. what would be the difference compared to setting in a .cfg file? |
| 23:01:09 | Llorean | It may be unlikely soon, but I find it likely in the long term. |
| 23:01:44 | Buschel | amiconn: just read the patch fails on PP5002. sorry, didn't want to hurt your ears... |
| 23:01:48 | [TiZ] | Why? What are practical uses for a per-viewport backdrop? |
| 23:01:51 | amiconn | Llorean: We'd lose *a lot* of gfx performance on anything < 8 bit depth, and complicate things much more |
| 23:01:54 | * | Buschel better checks the code again |
| 23:02:13 | amiconn | What will probably happen is the possibility to select different backgrounds per viewport - choose from colours, or the global backdrop |
| 23:02:32 | Llorean | [TiZ]: What are practical uses for backdrops in the menus period, if you want to pursue that silly line. |
| 23:02:59 | Llorean | amiconn: Per-viewport backdrops don't have to happen on <8-bit then. Honestly, backdrops are iffy on those anyway for being very visible. |
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| 23:03:25 | amiconn | Buschel: It plays music for a few seconds, then starts to make strange noises, and the track position doesn't advance. After stopping playback, I got a few more seconds of my song (1), also mixed with those strange noises |
| 23:03:27 | [TiZ] | Backdrops in the menus are eye-candy. |
| 23:03:40 | BigBambi | So is a themable WPS |
| 23:03:50 | [TiZ] | Precicesly. |
| 23:03:52 | Llorean | [TiZ]: Yes, and multiple backdrops are too... |
| 23:03:54 | amiconn | They became quasi-periodic, and didn't stop until reboot (and reinstatement of an unpatched rockbox.ipod) |
| 23:03:55 | [TiZ] | That's spelled wrong. |
| 23:03:58 | Buschel | amiconn: but it plays reasonable audio for some time? |
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| 23:04:19 | [TiZ] | When I say practical, I mean in the theming context. |
| 23:04:19 | Llorean | [TiZ]: You asked for a practical use. You use that as a challenge to my supposition as to the direction things might take, yet claim your use is fine as "eye-candy", completely non-practical? |
| 23:04:21 | amiconn | Buschel: Depends on the definition of 'some'. A few seconds, not more |
| 23:04:25 | shotofadds | why would anyone want multiple backdrops? |
| 23:04:33 | amiconn | I had voice enabled, btw |
| 23:04:43 | Llorean | [TiZ]: Well, for example, splashes, the quick menu, and other UI widgets can arrive in their own viewport with backdrop |
| 23:04:59 | [TiZ] | I object to your previous statement. |
| 23:05:02 | Llorean | [TiZ]: As well, it's likely that the "status bar" viewport, if using part of the WPS, should use the WPS backdrop, while the List widget should use a list backdrop. |
| 23:05:06 | [TiZ] | By that argument, then theming should not be possible at all! |
| 23:05:16 | Llorean | I never said "non-practical" was bad. |
| 23:05:26 | Llorean | I said that YOU suggested it was by using is as a challenge to my statement. |
| 23:05:37 | [TiZ] | Perhaps I used incorrect wording. I apologize. |
| 23:05:40 | Llorean | And I've given you uses, within the context of themeing, for multiple backdrop images in viewport resolutions. |
| 23:05:59 | [TiZ] | But if the status-bar viewport, list viewport, and other backdrops were to all be different... |
| 23:06:04 | [TiZ] | That could actually get really ugly. |
| 23:06:08 | Llorean | Especially considering the use of viewports from the WPS as a status bar, there will be room for needing separation of backdrops. |
| 23:06:12 | [TiZ] | A bunch of squares with different backgrounds. |
| 23:06:51 | Llorean | [TiZ]: Have you looked at applications in graphical OSes in the last two decades? You get LOTS of pop-ups with a backdrop separate from the desktop image... |
| 23:06:53 | JuanPrada | soap , I just updated my BlackRoad theme .zip, fell free to chekout the licence files added. |
| 23:06:55 | Llorean | This is not a new concept. |
| 23:07:32 | Llorean | Backdrop images don't have to just be "a picture of grass" or whatnot. They can also be used, like many WPS authors do, to create the separation of information, window borders, and other useful things. |
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| 23:08:04 | [TiZ] | I've seen that. WPS authors have always been to seperate their info just fine with one backdrop. |
| 23:08:16 | [TiZ] | A lot even create the illusion that there's some window onscreen. |
| 23:08:20 | * | amiconn better doesn't start to comment on themability, and eye candy vs. usability now |
| 23:08:33 | amiconn | That's a nearly endless field.... |
| 23:08:58 | Llorean | [TiZ]: Yes, but the backdrop can't be used when there's the dynamic display and hiding of information. For example, you can't use a backdrop to display a frame around the Album Art unless that frame is visible even when there is none. |
| 23:09:03 | Llorean | A much maligned limitation already. |
| 23:09:42 | [TiZ] | Oh! Hey, I see where you're going with that. |
| 23:09:47 | * | JuanPrada has just made a very ugly theme but tested with himself during a year and preferring that one to other prettier |
| 23:10:21 | [TiZ] | But it's not like WPSs that expose the global backdrop will disappear. |
| 23:10:33 | [TiZ] | You haven't proven that there is no need for the ability to easily set backdrops. |
| 23:10:45 | [TiZ] | And that need will probably not disappear. |
| 23:10:55 | * | JuanPrada don't use english as his normal language and say sorry about that |
| 23:11:31 | Llorean | [TiZ]: WPSes should always explicitly set a either a background color, or a backdrop image. Not doing so allows them to be unusable without changing the backdrop. |
| 23:12:05 | Llorean | Much like setting background and foreground to the same color, or loading a backdrop image that's very dark, with dark text. |
| 23:12:45 | Llorean | We get people with bug reports because they can't figure out how to use their player once they've got black on black or similar. |
| 23:13:51 | Llorean | Even "global" backdrops should at least pick a foreground color too, so that you're guaranteed UI readability |
| 23:13:56 | Llorean | In which case, you've already got a .cfg, and all is well. |
| 23:15:38 | [TiZ] | Themes like Kelp, Twilight, and ClearView are designed so that the user can pick whatever backdrop he want. It seems like you're grasping now. I don't see why you're so against this. |
| 23:16:38 | Llorean | Because I'm the one who sees confused users panicking because they suddenly can't use their iPod any more. |
| 23:16:45 | Llorean | Because of improperly designed themes such as these. |
| 23:17:06 | Llorean | I don't see why you're so dead set against simply performing the trivial task of creating .cfg files. |
| 23:17:10 | [TiZ] | Improperly designed?! |
| 23:17:16 | [TiZ] | What makes them improperly designed?! |
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| 23:17:57 | Llorean | Well the feature itself is. Unlike the color question, where the settings won't let them choose equal colors, a backdrop can be loaded always because we can't predict if it'll produce unreadable results. |
| 23:18:04 | Horscht | what themes are we talking about anyways? |
| 23:18:08 | [TiZ] | It's just a PITA, when it could be much easier! If a user decides to pick a white backdrop when they've got white text, it's their fault! |
| 23:18:18 | Llorean | [TiZ]: Easier for authors, PITA for clueless users. |
| 23:18:31 | [TiZ] | The clueless users are who I'm thinking about |
| 23:18:32 | Llorean | Sorry, but frankly, I'll make you guys actually do a little more work in a SECOND to help make things easier on people who can't know better in advance. |
| 23:19:02 | [TiZ] | I keep saying that users can use whatever backdrop they want. I mean WHATEVER backdrop they want. |
| 23:19:18 | Llorean | So? |
| 23:19:22 | Llorean | Stop meaning that. |
| 23:19:23 | [TiZ] | So is it fair to make the clueless users have to make a .cfg for their own backdrop? |
| 23:19:26 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 23:19:58 | [TiZ] | Ugh, this is madness. Fine, I give up. |
| 23:20:00 | [TiZ] | You win. |
| 23:20:30 | Llorean | You basically have two options with themeing: Unlimited customisation, user beware, or Prepackaged themes. |
| 23:20:40 | [TiZ] | I pick the first. |
| 23:20:45 | Llorean | You don't have the first |
| 23:20:51 | Llorean | 95% of themeing options are already denied via the UI |
| 23:21:04 | Llorean | There's no easy creation of modification of WPSes, you can't redefine UI viewports, etc. |
| 23:21:15 | [TiZ] | Okay, fine. Not the first. |
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| 23:21:24 | [TiZ] | I just want the backdrop customizable. |
| 23:21:28 | Llorean | It WILL BE |
| 23:21:31 | [TiZ] | Look, I'm done. I'm tired of fighting with you on this. |
| 23:21:34 | [TiZ] | I already gave up. |
| 23:21:36 | Llorean | It will always be customizable. Just not via the normal UI. |
| 23:21:38 | [TiZ] | I'll do it your way. |
| 23:21:51 | Llorean | And I'm not saying this is how it will change, necessarily |
| 23:21:58 | Llorean | I'm saying "this seems the most obvious to me" |
| 23:22:41 | [TiZ] | Look, man. I have some chores to finish, so I'll be right back. I'm not arguing with you over this anymore. |
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| 23:40:06 | lymeca | That's when I try fdisk /dev/sdc |
| 23:40:15 | lymeca | 80gb 5.5gen |
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| 23:47:16 | rasher | Bagder: I know. My server segfaults once in a blue moon. I've no idea what to do about it. Feel free to remove the server if it's annoying. |
| 23:47:45 | Bagder | well, if it gets to that point I'll know what to do! |
| 23:47:56 | Bagder | until then we can just point fingers at shotofadds ;-P |
| 23:48:07 | shotofadds | meh :p |
| 23:48:28 | rasher | Was it an ipod build? |
| 23:48:44 | amiconn | Bagder: What about the strange hole in the table? |
| 23:49:04 | amiconn | Those holes don't appear often, but it's not the first occurence either |
| 23:49:06 | [TiZ] | Okay, I'm back. |
| 23:49:23 | [TiZ] | I'll finalize the stuff in my theme, and get it ready for distribution. |
| 23:49:50 | shotofadds | rasher: the red was an iPod sim build |
| 23:49:55 | amiconn | jhMikeS: around? |
| 23:50:20 | Bagder | amiconn: It's some sorts of bug in the master build script that is triggered by some sort of server problem |
| 23:50:34 | rasher | shotofadds: huh, so it's my native gcc.. Even weirder. |
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| 23:51:09 | Bagder | rasher: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault] |
| 23:51:26 | rasher | I think it's been ld every time. Other than that, it's a mystery to me |
| 23:51:32 | Bagder | ok |
| 23:51:33 | * | amiconn 's server also segfaultet once during a build. Fortunately only once.... |
| 23:51:53 | amiconn | I think that's what you get for running a distribution in flux (aka debian unstable).... |
| 23:52:09 | rasher | First time it happened I tried to re-run the exact same build later, but it worked fine |
| 23:52:30 | rasher | amiconn: meh, I think it's what you get for using software designed by humans (and hardware, perhaps) |
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