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| 00:00:28 | BigBambi | r0rshach: Anyway, it isn't a problem, it is just a setting you may have to change :) |
| 00:00:38 | r0rshach | the 100 gig drive is 161 |
| 00:00:43 | BigBambi | 161 what? |
| 00:00:54 | BigBambi | r0rshach: This is a very international channel... |
| 00:00:55 | r0rshach | dollaredoos |
| 00:00:55 | amiconn | bananas ;) |
| 00:01:23 | r0rshach | but it seems dumb to go from 60 to 80... |
| 00:01:35 | r0rshach | but 80 is quite big....i suppose |
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| 00:02:39 | amiconn | Hmm, interesting effect... if I increase the wait-for-voltage-to-stabilize sleep() after ide_power_enable() in ata.c to HZ/10, the dropout goes away |
| 00:02:42 | BigBambi | r0rshach: Have you looked at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement to make sure you get the correct connector? |
| 00:02:58 | amiconn | HZ/20 isn't enough (SVN uses HZ/50) |
| 00:02:58 | r0rshach | yes |
| 00:03:29 | amiconn | Not the question is - why does this cause a dropout if only reading non playback related data?? |
| 00:03:37 | r0rshach | thanks bambi |
| 00:03:48 | BigBambi | no probs |
| 00:03:54 | amiconn | (in my case, any dr listing, while music is playing and buffer is still well filled) |
| 00:06:02 | bertrik | there' |
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| 00:06:54 | bertrik | there's an "#else if" line in viewports_test.c, it causes a compiler warning and I think it should be #elif, shall I fix it? |
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| 00:07:20 | DerPapst | bertrik: please do |
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| 00:09:37 | petur | jhMikeS: in thread.c line 2025, if it breaks at that point, does that mean irq stays off (I might not understand that code completely, just asking). At the other break point (line 2042) irq is switched on again. |
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| 00:11:28 | r0rshach | actually bambi i take that back i just double check and there is only one model that appear to fit in my player |
| 00:11:36 | r0rshach | so itll be harder to shop around |
| 00:11:54 | Casainho | Bagder: :-) - just to say that in the make file of u-boot, were defined the cross_compiler as "arm-linux-" and I changed that to "arm-elf-" :-) −− It did build the example hello world code... but, after gives an error saying "ar-elf-ld: libgcc.a uses hardware FP wheras u-boot uses software FP :-( :-( |
| 00:12:19 | BigBambi | r0rshach: That page may not be complete, but you need to make sure that whatever you get has the same connector (and thickness) as the current one |
| 00:12:35 | Bagder | FP? |
| 00:12:45 | DerPapst | floating point |
| 00:12:45 | Bagder | u-boot doesn't use floats, does your app? |
| 00:13:27 | * | DerPapst wonders why he typed that... |
| 00:13:37 | petur | jhMikeS: nevermind me, overlooked that inner look :/ |
| 00:13:40 | petur | *loop |
| 00:14:03 | gevaerts | DerPapst: because you weren't sure if Bagder knew that ? |
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| 00:14:57 | DerPapst | i just read the FP? and not the name. I'm sure he knows that and alot more :-D |
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| 00:15:52 | days_of_ruin | SDMX4-8192-A70 |
| 00:16:01 | days_of_ruin | Is this model of sansa compatible? |
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| 00:16:20 | Bagder | model of what? |
| 00:16:42 | Bagder | I don't think we all know every possible model and serial number in existence |
| 00:16:44 | days_of_ruin | sansa e280 8gb |
| 00:16:46 | DerPapst | e200 it seems |
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| 00:17:02 | Casainho | Bagder: no, my app is just returning, not floats.... |
| 00:17:03 | DerPapst | the e280 V1 is compartible with rockbox |
| 00:17:09 | DerPapst | but not the V2 |
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| 00:17:34 | days_of_ruin | I am browsing it on amazon and am not sure if its v2 or not |
| 00:17:40 | days_of_ruin | I read the guidelines |
| 00:17:41 | Bagder | days_of_ruin: I don't think we know of the model from the model/serial number |
| 00:17:52 | Bagder | days_of_ruin: what firmware version is it? |
| 00:18:03 | days_of_ruin | Thats what I cant figure out? |
| 00:18:14 | Bagder | oh |
| 00:18:15 | days_of_ruin | There are user uploaded pics running rockbox |
| 00:18:22 | BigBambi | days_of_ruin: Sadly, the firmware version is the only sure way |
| 00:18:37 | days_of_ruin | but the product discription mention Play for sure |
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| 00:18:40 | BigBambi | Although personally I would guess a new one from somewhere like Amazon would be v2 |
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| 00:18:51 | Bagder | indeed |
| 00:18:53 | days_of_ruin | Seller is Electronic Expo |
| 00:19:17 | Bagder | mostly it is impossible to tell v1 or v2 by reading seller pages |
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| 00:19:49 | Casainho | Bagder: do you think that I must build u-boot if I want to build an external application? |
| 00:20:14 | Bagder | Casainho: quite possibly, yes. but I'm not sure. It's been a while since I did that |
| 00:20:26 | days_of_ruin | crap |
| 00:20:39 | days_of_ruin | I read a discussion and they said v2 |
| 00:20:43 | Casainho | Bagder: okok, thanks - I will work on that |
| 00:20:47 | Casainho | good night :-) |
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| 00:21:07 | days_of_ruin | Can I get rockbox to work with v2? |
| 00:21:23 | days_of_ruin | I saw some links on the site |
| 00:21:26 | saratoga | sure, port it |
| 00:21:28 | Llorean | It needs a lot of work to be done. |
| 00:21:56 | saratoga | maybe soon the supply of V1s will dry up and someone will be motivated to do the V2 port |
| 00:21:57 | amiconn | hrrrmmmm |
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| 00:22:52 | * | amiconn is hesitating to just increase the ata poweron voltage stabilisation time to the required amount found by testing on his mini |
| 00:23:12 | days_of_ruin | Any idea on when it will be ready? |
| 00:23:15 | amiconn | There must be a reason why too early accesses make rockbox glitch |
| 00:23:43 | Bagder | days_of_ruin: that's not possible to tell |
| 00:23:43 | krazykit | days_of_ruin, there is no timeframe for new ports. |
| 00:24:40 | petur | amiconn: surprise surprise, if I alter that sleep it changes my bootloader crash too, but it is not caused by it I think, just influences it. |
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| 00:25:01 | amiconn | odd |
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| 00:25:15 | amiconn | This is on ipod, where ata_reset() is empty |
| 00:27:55 | amiconn | And it seem to only happen on my mini - not on any of the other 3 PP targets I have, nor on linuxstb's Color |
| 00:27:55 | days_of_ruin | I might by it anyhow since its 8gb for $90 usd |
| 00:27:55 | days_of_ruin | or is it that cheap everywhere now? |
| 00:27:55 | Bagder | friendlyzookeeper should just educate himself instead of filling that thread |
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| 00:30:24 | DerPapst | sounds like a "i'm outta ere" message. But i have my doubts :-P |
| 00:30:28 | DerPapst | *here |
| 00:31:08 | Bagder | I read it more like "I need to educate these guys about that ARM cores can be used in different chips" |
| 00:31:55 | Llorean | Bagder: I still think he expects rockbox to be an app running on Linux, or some such. |
| 00:31:58 | Bagder | I need a mute function for specific threads in the forum! |
| 00:32:09 | Bagder | that hides them from me |
| 00:32:17 | Llorean | Bagder: I THINK I can arrange that, if you really want it. |
| 00:32:30 | Bagder | nah, I need to learn how to mute in my head |
| 00:32:46 | Bagder | there's just too many voices there! ;-P |
| 00:32:51 | * | amiconn found the ata hard reset in the mini ROM :) |
| 00:33:21 | Llorean | Bagder: Bah, there's just an ignore feature, or ignore board, mod, no ignore thread mod yet it seems |
| 00:34:23 | * | Llorean doesn't want to install the "ignore user" feature for fear that too many people will simply choose to ignore him. |
| 00:34:50 | DerPapst | can't you just guide the zookeeper out of this thread somehow? e.g. it's locked for him but not for the rest :-P |
| 00:34:52 | BigBambi | haha :) |
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| 00:35:56 | days_of_ruin | hmm doesn't v2 have hcsd support? |
| 00:36:04 | days_of_ruin | Well it appears this one doesn't |
| 00:36:32 | BigBambi | days_of_ruin: The OF is of to particular concern here |
| 00:36:39 | BigBambi | s/to/no |
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| 00:42:10 | days_of_ruin | ?? |
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| 00:44:02 | petur | BigBambi: he meant to use this as a way to discover if it is a V2 |
| 00:44:25 | BigBambi | petur: Ah, OK |
| 00:44:30 | BigBambi | days_of_ruin: My apologies |
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| 00:48:09 | DerPapst | Good night all :-) |
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| 00:51:18 | days_of_ruin | night?what side of the world are you on?:P |
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| 00:53:02 | petur | the good side? |
| 00:53:12 | Bagder | hehe |
| 00:53:19 | Bagder | the dark side? |
| 00:53:35 | petur | right now, yes |
| 00:53:54 | * | petur gives his h2380 an angry look |
| 00:53:59 | petur | err h380 |
| 00:54:08 | scorche | 380 gigs?!? |
| 00:54:18 | * | scorche wants |
| 00:54:31 | BigBambi | a H100 with a colour screen and 380 GB - wow |
| 00:54:44 | petur | no, 2080 GB |
| 00:54:47 | * | BigBambi is imagining a H100/H300 hybrid |
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| 00:56:26 | petur | I'm beginning to be quite convinced that my bootloader crash is actually a hardware issue. |
| 00:57:55 | petur | or maybe not |
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| 00:58:11 | * | petur unsure again... |
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| 00:59:52 | * | petur wonders if ide_power_enable() could cause some power fluctuation that causes a crash |
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| 01:01:00 | amiconn | Well, there's at least one Archos Player that crashes when using ide_power_enable(). That's why it's not enabled for Player in SVN |
| 01:01:18 | amiconn | My Studio 10 works fine with it enabled |
| 01:01:46 | petur | I'm testing more, but I seem to always get up to right before that, and it fails if I print after it |
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| 01:02:13 | amiconn | The crash in this case means that the whole thing powers off when the disk is powered on again after being switched off |
| 01:02:20 | petur | now I'm putting variation on the time elsewhere to see if this observation is correct |
| 01:02:48 | petur | here I once saw my printf text garbled. |
| 01:02:54 | petur | but no reboot |
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| 01:07:54 | petur | wow, yet another IllInstr, but it arrived to just before the power_enable |
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| 01:08:55 | petur | whoa, happens every time... |
| 01:12:45 | petur | hmmm this crash happens accessing a struct in the IBSS... |
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| 01:14:18 | petur | anybody with an h300 want to try a bootloader to see if it crashes? |
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| 01:20:01 | * | amiconn thinks this is for someone with a BDM within reach.... |
| 01:21:10 | * | petur delays the investigation until devcon |
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| 01:25:08 | soap | Why isn't Rockbox built for the 4G grey? |
| 01:25:16 | soap | *RockboY |
| 01:26:05 | amiconn | umm |
| 01:26:32 | amiconn | Mentioned a hundred times at least - nobody implemented the display data conversion for those |
| 01:27:48 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I now have a new version of my clock skipping udelay, making it a regular iram function |
| 01:28:21 | saratoga | amiconn: do you expect a significant improvement in power use from clock skipping? |
| 01:28:35 | amiconn | An interesting detail is that H10 uses *a lot* more udelay than mini G2 - my old patch increases H10 binsize by 1304 bytes, the new one decreases it by 568 bytes |
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| 01:28:56 | amiconn | ...whereas the same number for mini are only +288 bytes and -36 bytes |
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| 01:29:01 | amiconn | *numbers |
| 01:32:45 | amiconn | saratoga: A bit, perhaps. There must be a reason why portalplayer implemented clock skipping... |
| 01:34:43 | saratoga | I'll have to do new current measurements when its ready |
| 01:35:26 | amiconn | I will do 2 runtime tests, with and without patch, before committing |
| 01:35:42 | saratoga | do you want me to do current measurements now? |
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| 01:36:17 | amiconn | Normal current consumption won't change. The deal is that average consumption will be lowered a little, because the cpu will be throtled during udelay |
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| 01:36:35 | saratoga | idle current should be lower though? |
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| 01:36:57 | amiconn | Depends on whether there are udelay calls |
| 01:37:21 | amiconn | Normal sleep() clock-skips for ages |
| 01:37:32 | saratoga | i didn't realize that |
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| 01:38:06 | linuxgeek | hi there :) |
| 01:38:18 | amiconn | Hence, I'll do the tests on H10 (because of its much larger amount of udelay calls) |
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| 01:55:16 | r0rshach | success |
| 01:55:50 | r0rshach | my creative zen (30 gig) drive has no been installed and added to my x5 (formerly 60 gig) |
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| 01:56:05 | r0rshach | this will due for now, until i get that 80 gig |
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| 02:49:16 | x86ia | hi,i got the ipod back,im webguest49 |
| 02:49:53 | x86ia | is there a diagnostic mode in the ipod? |
| 02:50:37 | scorche | yes...google would tell you so.. |
| 02:50:50 | x86ia | hahaha,ok anyways thx |
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| 03:22:16 | saratoga | i think i'm down to a single WMA problem sample |
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| 04:33:03 | soap | congrats, saratoga |
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| 06:00:51 | RoC_MasterMind | I am considering getting a Toshiba Gigabeat F40 instead of an iPod 4th Gen...I see the LCD driver and usb handler aren't complete...what's the experience with rockbox like right now? |
| 06:03:41 | scorche | it will be a much better device than an iPod 4th gen |
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| 06:25:40 | RoC_MasterMind | why is that scorche ? |
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| 06:47:35 | [TiZ] | Hey, guys. |
| 06:48:14 | [TiZ] | I already know where this is going to go, but I'd like someone to take a look at my readme file and point out what I did wrong with it. I'm sure I messed something up. |
| 06:48:16 | [TiZ] | http://eternaleon.googlepages.com/Readmedamnit.txt |
| 06:48:34 | [TiZ] | ...Wait. |
| 06:48:43 | [TiZ] | Is this better in #rockbox-community? |
| 06:49:28 | Llorean | [TiZ]: I see at least one of your images has the -attribution clause. Have you found out explicitly what form of attribution the author of such images requires? |
| 06:49:54 | [TiZ] | They're all on Flickr, so I hope just a link to the page works. |
| 06:50:05 | [TiZ] | And they all have at least the attribution clause. |
| 06:50:36 | Llorean | The attribution clause say, and I quote, "You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor" |
| 06:50:58 | Llorean | This means you need to do it in the way the author says, which means you need to find out exactly where the author says what way they want attributed. |
| 06:52:33 | [TiZ] | None of them seem to say anywhere. |
| 06:52:46 | [TiZ] | Perhaps I should just submit my WPS without backdrops. |
| 06:52:56 | krazykit | [TiZ], you should ask them, then. |
| 06:53:30 | [TiZ] | Yahoo accounts work on Flickr, don't they? |
| 06:54:23 | [TiZ] | I'm sorry if I seem like a jerk right now. I'm still really sore about those backdrops I made. |
| 06:54:53 | [TiZ] | And I know it's not your fault. |
| 06:55:35 | [TiZ] | Anyways, I'm off-topic now. I'll stop here. |
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| 07:22:50 | Llorean | Bagder: You around, and may I PM you? |
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| 08:06:42 | markun | morning people |
| 08:06:56 | toffe82 | hello |
| 08:07:26 | markun | toffe82: do you know if the Gigabeat S exploit works on the Gigabeat U as well? |
| 08:08:31 | toffe82 | I don't think so, it is not windows base |
| 08:08:48 | toffe82 | or do you mean the V ? |
| 08:08:58 | markun | ah no, the T sorry |
| 08:09:05 | markun | all these models :) |
| 08:09:50 | toffe82 | I want to try on the V, but didn't have time, I need to contact zunepet to ask him |
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| 08:10:11 | toffe82 | the version of windows is the same |
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| 08:10:42 | toffe82 | the version of windows on the T is not the same as the S and V |
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| 08:11:42 | toffe82 | there is no update available, the only information I found is that in japan they have to send it back to toshiba to get an update |
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| 08:13:45 | Gartral | hi: im awear of a wps script builder... but i cant find it, could i get a link? |
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| 08:19:37 | markun | Gartral: sorry, I don't know |
| 08:20:49 | JdGordon | Gartral: what script builder are you thinking off? I cant tihnk of any up-to-date wps builders... |
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| 08:25:55 | Gartral | EZ WPS builder... or something like that |
| 08:27:18 | JdGordon | I dont tihnk thats up to date... |
| 08:27:27 | JdGordon | if it even works at all anymore |
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| 08:42:16 | Gartral | so therees no current tools? |
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| 08:43:40 | GodEater | currently there are only notepad and it's brethren |
| 08:45:41 | * | scorche really doesnt appreciate the new who-girl |
| 08:46:21 | GodEater | Catherine Tate ? |
| 08:46:24 | scorche | aye |
| 08:46:34 | GodEater | wrong channel surely ? :) |
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| 08:46:46 | scorche | damnit |
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| 08:51:16 | mrkiko | Hi all! |
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| 08:54:17 | Makuseru | Hi, does anyone know how to restore the bootloaded on a Toshiba Gigabeat F40, i bricked it and cant seem to get it back |
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| 08:56:12 | markun | Makuseru: if you just use rockbox you can use our dummy GBSYSTEM folder + the rockbox bootloader (FWIMG01.DAT). Both can be found here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort |
| 08:57:04 | markun | Makuseru: and if you can't get into USB mode try: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort#Gigabeat_Recovery_Procedures |
| 08:57:43 | markun | I have to leave. Good luck. |
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| 09:07:14 | LinusN | it feels almost surreal to be able to read the forums at this time of day without timeouts :-) |
| 09:07:39 | scorche | faster than normal even by my view :) |
| 09:07:39 | B4gder | :-) |
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| 09:12:21 | JdGordon | who did the simulator backgrounds? |
| 09:13:01 | B4gder | pixelma is our graphics ninja |
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| 09:16:15 | Gartral | ive never had a problem with RB forums |
| 09:17:02 | markun | I've had problems almost every morning |
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| 09:20:33 | LinusN | me too |
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| 09:21:13 | LinusN | Gartral: that's probably because you 1) live in another timezone and 2) never search the forums |
| 09:21:37 | LinusN | just a guess |
| 09:22:54 | markun | LinusN: how did jeff take it? |
| 09:23:04 | LinusN | well, i think |
| 09:24:15 | markun | it was really very nice of him to host our forums for so long |
| 09:25:04 | pondlife | Where is the forum hosted now? |
| 09:25:29 | * | petur points at scorche |
| 09:25:37 | * | scorche waves |
| 09:25:47 | pondlife | scorche: In the US? |
| 09:25:52 | Shaid | he's running a wireless connection interfacing into his left fingernail |
| 09:25:53 | scorche | theplanet |
| 09:25:57 | pondlife | OK |
| 09:26:11 | Shaid | the forums run out of his left kidnet |
| 09:26:33 | LinusN | markun: it sure was nice of him |
| 09:26:52 | scorche | if only he didnt...well...blah |
| 09:28:23 | Gartral | wich toenail holds the CPU stack?LOL |
| 09:29:49 | Gartral | whats it mean when stuff is red in the INFO window of RBUtil? |
| 09:30:03 | Gartral | does that mean its broken? |
| 09:31:28 | Gartral | damn caps key |
| 09:32:56 | Makuseru | someone wouldnt happen to know where to DL a version of gigabeat firmware where you dont need to install windows media player? i accidently reformated my gigibeat, so i need to install the original firmware to put rockbox back on it, but the update you get form the site says you need mediaplayer 9 |
| 09:34:01 | markun | Makuseru: do you use the original firmware? |
| 09:34:07 | Makuseru | no |
| 09:34:21 | markun | then you can do what I suggested earlier |
| 09:34:47 | Makuseru | wheres the dummy GBSYSTEM folder? |
| 09:35:03 | markun | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/GigabeatFXPort/GBSYSTEM.zip |
| 09:35:41 | markun | then just place http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/gigabeat/FWIMG01.DAT inside GBSYSTEM/FWIMG/ |
| 09:36:20 | Gartral | whats it mean when stuff is red in the Info screen in RBUtil? |
| 09:36:46 | markun | Gartral: I don't know, sorry |
| 09:37:51 | Makuseru | markun: thank you very much |
| 09:39:02 | markun | Makuseru: I should probably write this info in the wiki separately as the question keeps coming up. |
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| 10:37:17 | B4gder | to rockbox committers: only about twelve hour left to vote for the gsoc project priority |
| 10:37:22 | B4gder | hours |
| 10:44:33 | Gartral | ohh this years gonna be fun |
| 10:45:28 | * | Llorean looks forward to a final GSOC decision. |
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| 10:57:17 | B4gder | Gartral: what are you referring to then? |
| 10:59:15 | Gartral | i just want them working so the DAPs dont have too reboot to OFW to transfer files |
| 10:59:49 | B4gder | ah |
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| 11:00:22 | B4gder | but the only submitted usb work in gsoc is for usb audio... |
| 11:01:59 | Gartral | im an owner of a Sansa E250.... and i noticed when in OFW the firmware splits the proccessors attention between driveing the lcd, and transfering files |
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| 11:04:06 | Gartral | i think thats stoopid... if i want confirmation the files are moving... ill look at the transfer screen |
| 11:04:38 | gevaerts | What exactly did you notice ? |
| 11:04:58 | Gartral | and like right now.... the sansa says "wrighting", i dont have anything open that could possible look in the sansa |
| 11:06:42 | Gartral | and it would also make more sense too turn the whole LCD driver off when in charge/wright mode |
| 11:06:50 | gevaerts | Why ? |
| 11:07:05 | Gartral | save power, more focus to the battery |
| 11:08:22 | Gartral | cus i noticed in rock box, if i leave the scroll wheel and backlight on in charging mode, then switch both off... it does charge faster |
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| 11:08:37 | Gartral | especially w/o the wheels light |
| 11:09:09 | Llorean | pondlife: Can you understand what that guy actually wants to *do* with the new version of "Follow Playlist" he's proposed? |
| 11:09:19 | pondlife | No! |
| 11:09:34 | pondlife | Not yet, anyway |
| 11:09:35 | gevaerts | You get 500 mA from USB. They probably cheat and get some more. LCD and wheels light use about 40mA. That's less than 0% |
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| 11:09:58 | gevaerts | *10% |
| 11:10:12 | Llorean | As far as I can see, he just wants a shortcut to "View Current Playlist", but he seems to think that it'll let him add songs, so I fear he expects you to be able to launch a song from within a playlist, without launching the playlist, then hit select to go back to that playlist... |
| 11:10:19 | Gartral | it still baught 15 mins off charging time from dead |
| 11:10:29 | Llorean | Kinda like a "Genre" filter in the database, where the filter itself is separate from the playlist. |
| 11:10:40 | gevaerts | Only if the battery can actually take that extra charging current |
| 11:11:03 | Llorean | So he could insert songs from "Blues.m3u" and "Rock.m3u" then hit select on a song that came from "Blues.m3u" and end up back there. |
| 11:11:47 | Llorean | gevaerts: Rockbox gets less on the e200 because we don't tell the power control chip to charge, iiuc. |
| 11:12:29 | pondlife | Also on H300, I believe... |
| 11:12:40 | Gartral | it seems it does... cus in OFW the wheel light stays off untill you touch it... then its perma on untill reboot, and ive charged in OFW and between WL on and off, there is a difference, im not shure how much, seeing as the BL on the screen never turns off |
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| 11:13:17 | Llorean | pondlife: I'd heard there was an option somewhere on H300. Don't have one m'self though |
| 11:13:42 | pondlife | USB charging on/off only - i.e. 0mA or 100mA. |
| 11:13:56 | Gartral | and theres always activity in the OFWs charge/transfer mode, waisting more power |
| 11:13:56 | pondlife | I don't think we sussed out how to get 500mA |
| 11:15:30 | petur | the OF of the h300 has a setting to select connection to PC or hub |
| 11:16:47 | pondlife | petur: Does that control charging? I wondered... |
| 11:17:32 | petur | I think it does, but even LinusN half forgot how it was... |
| 11:17:52 | petur | it controls the amount of current allowed |
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| 11:18:31 | pondlife | I guess we need to get the USB controller to request 500mA? |
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| 11:20:34 | MartinR | FS #8363 fixed the charging for me. |
| 11:22:11 | pondlife | Llorean: I think that he's wanting the file browser to be capable of treating playlists like directories... so having originally selected PARTY.m3u, you'd be able to browse inside it, and then follow playlist would go to the selected entry. |
| 11:22:22 | pondlife | Does that make any more sense? |
| 11:22:30 | amiconn | pondlife: On H300 we can't as the usb controller is hardware, and the pin that could tell us isn't connected afaik |
| 11:22:49 | amiconn | On iaudios (same bridge), the pin is connected |
| 11:23:02 | pondlife | Hmm, so the OF doesn't do 500mA either? |
| 11:23:19 | amiconn | It does, that's what the hub/pc setting is for |
| 11:23:30 | pondlife | OK, so can we not do the same? |
| 11:23:38 | amiconn | Afaik we do, but I'm not sure |
| 11:23:49 | * | amiconn always charges with the charger |
| 11:23:56 | petur | same here |
| 11:24:02 | Llorean | pondlife: Treat them like directories, and allow you to insert from them into the dynamic playlist, but allow returning to them with "Select" anyway, yes. |
| 11:24:04 | pondlife | Me too. It definitely seems to charge faster with the charger |
| 11:24:20 | amiconn | Drawing 500mA without asking is a violation of the usb standard, but it works on most ports |
| 11:24:20 | pondlife | Llorean: Yes. I quite like the idea |
| 11:24:42 | pondlife | Llorean: Obviously, default action would still play the playlist.. |
| 11:24:46 | Llorean | I'd rather "Select" always return you to the physical file, if "Follow" was on. |
| 11:24:51 | * | gevaerts puts on his USB spec pedant hat |
| 11:25:00 | amiconn | Of course. USB cannot provide more than 500mA. The initial charging current a LiIon of that capacity can take is much higher |
| 11:25:08 | Llorean | I don't mind allowing them to be viewed easily (make it the second option in the context window) and inserted from into the current one, for example. |
| 11:25:20 | gevaerts | PC/Hub makes no difference at all on what current you're allowed to draw. |
| 11:25:25 | amiconn | There's a reason why the iriver and iaudio chargers are rated 1.8...2.0 A |
| 11:25:25 | Llorean | But I really don't like the idea of "Following" to a place within a playlist. |
| 11:25:38 | pondlife | That would be a 3rd option on Follow Playlist. |
| 11:25:55 | Llorean | Since then you'd have to track every playlist that every song in the dynamic playlist came from. |
| 11:25:56 | gevaerts | If you happen to use a bus-powered hub, it's 100mA, period. |
| 11:26:01 | Llorean | Which seems rather silly. |
| 11:26:09 | amiconn | gevaerts: They do, although that setting is somewhat confusing. A passive hub can never provide 500mA |
| 11:26:25 | Llorean | pondlife: Why would you want "Follow" to do that, anyway? |
| 11:26:36 | pondlife | I wouldn't, but "Mike" does |
| 11:26:41 | amiconn | That's what that setting actually means. "Hub" limits to 100mA |
| 11:26:53 | Llorean | pondlife: You said you liked the idea though. So I'm asking you why you like it. |
| 11:27:04 | pondlife | I like the idea of integrating into the file browser |
| 11:27:14 | pondlife | Not so much the follow playlist change |
| 11:27:21 | Llorean | Ah, then we're more or less agreed. |
| 11:27:41 | pondlife | It would make it easy to do the other request (to insert/queue from a saved playlist) |
| 11:28:05 | Llorean | I don't necessarily think it should be "integrated into the browser", but I think viewing a playlist that isn't currently playing, and inserting from it, should be made as painless as possible (while being distinct enough that you know you're manipulating playlist entries, and not physical files) |
| 11:28:51 | pondlife | Llorean: No, the idea was that you could (apparently) browse into a saved playlist, then select a file in there and queue it, for example |
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| 11:29:11 | pondlife | It would appear to be just like browsing into a subdir |
| 11:29:17 | Llorean | I don't like that. |
| 11:29:20 | Llorean | At all |
| 11:29:28 | pondlife | Why not? |
| 11:29:39 | pondlife | I don't have time to argue now, I should warn you! |
| 11:29:47 | Llorean | Because the filetree shouldn't transparently shift into non-filetree operations. |
| 11:29:51 | Llorean | It's a file browser, explicitly |
| 11:30:07 | Llorean | I can see the database having an option to index your M3Us in a "Playlists" filter, and let you browse the like that, perhaps |
| 11:30:16 | pondlife | Yes, maybe |
| 11:30:49 | pondlife | But it shouldn't matter which browser really... if you have an M3U file selected, the context menu should offer the same options |
| 11:31:15 | Llorean | Selecting it from the context menu isn't the same as browsing into it, though. |
| 11:31:16 | pondlife | that's all I'm talking about really, a context menu option to view playlist |
| 11:31:31 | pondlife | Like I said, the default action should not change |
| 11:31:37 | pondlife | i.e. it should play the playlist |
| 11:31:44 | Monkeytamer | Hi, I have a quick question concerning bitmap strips if someone would be so kind. Does it matter what bit depth for which the strips are saved? I noticed that cabbiev2 has the title 240x320x16, and I was wondering if it matters whether the bit depth is 16 or 24 |
| 11:31:50 | Llorean | pondlife: Then I *think* we agree on this one |
| 11:31:54 | pondlife | Good! |
| 11:32:16 | Llorean | I was confused for a bit, because you said "no" and I guess I misunderstood which statement you said it to. |
| 11:32:40 | pondlife | The playlist viewer should offer the same per-file options as the browsers anyway, so it should appear consistent. I expect it's not quite there at the moment... |
| 11:32:42 | Llorean | Monkeytamer: The screens are only 16-bit. |
| 11:32:54 | Llorean | pondlife: Well, they don't make any sense at the moment. |
| 11:32:59 | pondlife | I know... |
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| 11:33:14 | pondlife | the playlist viewer is really a 3rd browser |
| 11:33:35 | Monkeytamer | Oh, I understand that, but I've always saved album art at 24-bit, and wasn't sure if there really was a difference, though I made copies in both depths. |
| 11:34:05 | Llorean | Monkeytamer: If you save it in 16-bit, you know exactly what it'll look like. If you save it in 24-bit, you have to trust how Rockbox will decrease the color depth. |
| 11:34:37 | Monkeytamer | oh ok, thank you for the detailed information. |
| 11:35:54 | Monkeytamer | I assume that means were I to recreate all of my album art, I would be ably to save a few bytes by dropping to 16-bit as well |
| 11:36:04 | Monkeytamer | *able even.. |
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| 11:48:07 | pondlife | Nico_P: Morning, I've been using your pastebin patch all weekend with no mishaps. |
| 11:52:56 | Llorean | pondlife: More or less spot on with what he wanted to do with it. |
| 11:52:58 | Nico_P | pondlife: good news :) |
| 11:53:26 | Nico_P | I've fixed the next track info for the end of the buffered data |
| 11:53:30 | Llorean | I've just realized, though, for the purposes of "insert", a .m3u file with a single entry is for most intents and purposes a shortcut to an actual audio file. |
| 11:53:44 | Nico_P | I just need to fix the playlist index display and clean up |
| 11:53:48 | pondlife | Llorean: Yes, but that should come out in the wash |
| 11:54:05 | Gartral | you know... thats annoying |
| 11:54:21 | pondlife | Nico_P: Committing soon then? |
| 11:54:27 | Nico_P | pondlife: I hope, yes |
| 11:55:26 | Gartral | a shortcut that points to 1obj.m3u is nothing but a redundant shortcut... this sounds like what vista does! |
| 11:55:49 | pondlife | Llorean: I think that Mike's requests are both valid, but they need to the playlist viewer in the core. |
| 11:55:55 | pondlife | s/to// |
| 11:56:33 | Llorean | pondlife: Tracking what playlist every song was inserted from? |
| 11:57:04 | pondlife | Ah, no! |
| 11:57:30 | pondlife | But tracking the current playlist |
| 11:57:35 | pondlife | i.e. which file it's in. |
| 11:57:49 | Llorean | He wants it to remember which .m3u file each one was inserted from, if I'm reading him right, so that he can click select while it's playing, and be back "browsing" within that M3U. |
| 11:57:57 | Llorean | Doesn't "View Current Playlist" show you which file you're on? |
| 11:58:05 | pondlife | Yes, it does. |
| 11:58:14 | Llorean | Okay, I'm missing what you mean by "which file it's in" then |
| 11:59:03 | pondlife | I was only thinking of allowing this with the current playlist (if it's saved), not any playlist |
| 11:59:41 | Gartral | theres an indicater beside the file thats currently playing in your playlist veiw |
| 11:59:41 | Llorean | I really don't understand then. |
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| 12:00:12 | Llorean | If it's a saved playlist, then all files are still in the .m3u, and "View playlist" is good enough, right? |
| 12:00:20 | pondlife | i.e. he can return to the playlist viewer within the current playlist.. then exiting the viewer would respect Follow Playlist and return to the file browser where it lives |
| 12:00:31 | Llorean | Ah |
| 12:00:33 | pondlife | So, it's a tweak to the playlist viewer mainly |
| 12:00:47 | Llorean | So make "Follow Playlist" work both when exiting the WPS, and when exiting the playlist viewer? |
| 12:00:48 | pondlife | Currently it's rather linked into the WPS |
| 12:00:54 | pondlife | Yes, kind of |
| 12:01:22 | Llorean | Perhaps a context menu option in the playlist viewer "Browse To", that takes you to the browser at the location of that file? |
| 12:01:27 | pondlife | I'd like the playlist viewer to be a browser in its own right, not so context-y |
| 12:01:28 | Llorean | Since you have a full path anyway. |
| 12:01:52 | pondlife | Yes, that would do too, but a left click is easier |
| 12:01:59 | Llorean | I don't see how the playlist viewer can be a browser... you don't have any hierarchy, just a flat list of files. |
| 12:02:19 | pondlife | It's a rather limited browser, sure |
| 12:02:59 | pondlife | But it seems "Mike" runs everything through saved playlists |
| 12:03:02 | Llorean | But I think I understand what you're suggesting. "When you use 'left' to leave the viewer, if (option X) is enabled, be where the highlighted file is located, rather than where the playlist viewer was invoked from"? |
| 12:03:09 | pondlife | Yes, basically. |
| 12:03:38 | pondlife | I'd like it to *appear to be* part of the file browser, I guess. |
| 12:03:59 | Llorean | Mike seems to want it to remember which .m3u file each entry in the dynamic playlist was inserted from, so he can have "Follow" show him the contents of that m3u file, if I've got a grasp on his requirements in conjunction with his other feature request. |
| 12:04:14 | pondlife | That's not going to happen |
| 12:04:53 | Gartral | that would be tideous |
| 12:05:02 | Gartral | very tideous |
| 12:05:06 | Llorean | pondlife: See, I really don't like the idea of things appearing to be part of the file browser when they're not. I wouldn't mind seamless launching of the viewer, and leaving from it back into the file browser, but I think it should be distinct that you're not working with files any more. |
| 12:06:19 | pondlife | I don't have a big opinion on this, but I think the appearance of a seamless browse into m3u and out again is nice. |
| 12:06:40 | pondlife | The heading (if you have it enabled) would have .m3u on it... |
| 12:07:19 | pondlife | And you are working with files really. The targets of the m3u |
| 12:07:26 | Llorean | But not really. |
| 12:07:30 | Llorean | "Delete" removes it from the playlist, not the disk. |
| 12:07:39 | Llorean | "Move" moves it within the playlist, not to another location on disk. |
| 12:07:40 | Llorean | Etc. |
| 12:07:49 | pondlife | True, but I'd like to see that integrated properly. |
| 12:07:51 | Llorean | You're working with strings in a text file. |
| 12:08:05 | Llorean | They in fact don't even necessarily represent files currently on the disk |
| 12:08:14 | pondlife | Indeed, they may not exist |
| 12:08:31 | pondlife | But for a UI, it's nice to be able to select Insert etc. |
| 12:08:57 | Llorean | I don't see what that has to do with making it appear to be part of the file browser, though. |
| 12:08:59 | pondlife | We should offer all sensible per-file options. |
| 12:10:01 | Llorean | I just think that if it appears to actually be part of the file browser, you're going to get people who think it is part of the file browser, and that will cause more confusion than just making it easily available, but distinct. |
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| 12:10:25 | Gartral | i agree |
| 12:10:42 | Gartral | that would certainly confuzzle the fur of my tail |
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| 12:13:47 | pondlife | All I'm talking about is adding the ability to return from the playlist viewer to the file browser, and maybe making context menus more consistent. Nothing more. |
| 12:14:07 | pondlife | And I don't want it myself, but I think it might help "Mike". |
| 12:14:57 | Llorean | pondlife: The playlist viewer's always going to have different context menu options. Even if it gets Insert/Queue ones, it will still need ones for reorganizing the playlist, etc. |
| 12:15:08 | pondlife | Of course |
| 12:15:14 | Llorean | But I can agree that the ability to return to the file browser would be nice. |
| 12:15:59 | Llorean | I don't see that being able to do so necessarily has anything to do with having it 'appear to be' part of the file browser though. |
| 12:16:05 | pondlife | It doesn't |
| 12:16:30 | * | Llorean is just lost. |
| 12:16:34 | * | pondlife too |
| 12:16:39 | pondlife | Back later |
| 12:16:46 | Llorean | You said earlier you want it to appear to be part of the file browser. |
| 12:17:14 | Llorean | But then your list of individual wants all seem to be functionality based rather than appearance based. |
| 12:17:57 | * | Llorean can't tell if we're in agreement or at odds... |
| 12:20:44 | pondlife | I think we agree, but I was unclear earlier, so don't worry |
| 12:20:56 | Llorean | Okay |
| 12:21:46 | JdGordon | has anyone done a flash replacement on a e200? |
| 12:22:25 | Llorean | I haven't heard of anyone in here doing it, but I've seen mention of someone doing it in either our forums or abi, I can't remember which. |
| 12:22:38 | Llorean | Someone replaced an e250 with the flash from a 270R iirc. |
| 12:23:16 | JdGordon | im swaping my dads 4gb into my 2gb.. the blue lihgt is on but nothing on the screen? |
| 12:23:53 | Llorean | Manufacturing or pre-boot mode then |
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| 12:27:23 | * | gevaerts hands e200tool to JdGordon |
| 12:28:36 | JdGordon | :) na, im safe... too much protective crap.. the flash wasnt inserted fully |
| 12:28:42 | JdGordon | 2 working e200s again :) |
| 12:29:04 | JdGordon | 1 with a dud headphone jack |
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| 12:51:39 | JdGordon | POS router doesnt seem to be playing nice :( |
| 12:51:51 | Shaid | is it a dlink? |
| 12:52:47 | Gartral | or belkin? |
| 12:54:30 | Gartral | -refits his brothers e250 with a Bomb, instead of battery- |
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| 13:22:36 | linux_manju | Hi All.. |
| 13:22:59 | linux_manju | I followed.. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodBoot |
| 13:23:11 | linux_manju | Compilation is successfull.. |
| 13:23:37 | linux_manju | However I dont see any file bootloader-ipod1g2g.ipod |
| 13:23:43 | linux_manju | :( |
| 13:23:48 | linux_manju | Can anyone help me please |
| 13:27:58 | gevaerts | When I try this it works, so I assume you must have done something wrong |
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| 13:32:33 | linuxstb_ | linux_manju: What files do you see in your build directory? I see the following after building the bootloader - autoconf.h bootloader/ bootloader-ipod1g2g.ipod firmware/ librockbox.a Makefile rockbox-info.txt sysfont.h |
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| 13:47:03 | Gartral | what would the room recoment as far as video rerendering for RB? |
| 13:48:35 | linuxstb | ffmpeg or one of its front-ends. |
| 13:48:47 | Gartral | winblows clone? |
| 13:49:07 | linuxstb | But it doesn't really matter - Rockbox plays standard mpeg 1/2 files, so you can use any mpeg encoder. |
| 13:49:21 | * | domonoky doesnt know what winblows is, but suggest winff :-) |
| 13:50:32 | Gartral | right... but ide like one that doesnt take 3 hours too encode a movie... im transfering my ISOed dvd collection too RB playable files (YES I FREAKING OWN THE DISKS) |
| 13:50:59 | B4gder | Gartral: transcoding is quite cpu intensive |
| 13:52:17 | Gartral | i have a four proc dule core cluster,each core is at 3GRZ... proc time is no object to me |
| 13:52:17 | linux_manju | linuxstb: Sorry.. I was on a call.. |
| 13:52:26 | linux_manju | In mu build directory.. |
| 13:52:42 | linux_manju | root@geekbox build]# ls |
| 13:52:43 | linux_manju | Makefile autoconf.h firmware librockbox.a rockbox-info.txt rockbox.zip sysfont.h |
| 13:53:21 | linux_manju | rockbox.zip −−> Please ignore.. I guess that was created when I did make zip Just out of frustration |
| 13:53:47 | Llorean | Gartral: On a dual core 1.6ghz computer, transcoding from a ripped DVD to a format Rockbox can play takes about 60-70% of the length of the movie in time, if memory serves. |
| 13:53:49 | Gartral | i just want a transcoder that has a fast algorythm for its job.... |
| 13:53:50 | linuxstb | Looks like something went wrong - you should have a bootloader directory. Are you sure there were no errors? |
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| 13:53:58 | domonoky | linux_manju: and no bootloader dir ? |
| 13:54:26 | linux_manju | Nope... |
| 13:54:27 | Gartral | thats with a single proccessor, at half the speed a single core of my cluster runs |
| 13:54:33 | linux_manju | This is what I did.. |
| 13:54:39 | linux_manju | I checked out from svn |
| 13:54:47 | linux_manju | and them cd to the rockbox |
| 13:54:50 | linux_manju | mkdir build |
| 13:54:53 | linux_manju | cd build |
| 13:55:01 | linux_manju | ../tools/configure selected my model |
| 13:55:07 | linux_manju | and B for boot loader |
| 13:55:37 | linux_manju | linuxstb: I am pretty sure there were no errors.. |
| 13:55:41 | linuxstb | Can you delete your build directory and try again, but type "make &> log.txt" and upload that log file somewhere? The output of configure might also be useful. |
| 13:55:57 | Llorean | Gartral: My point is, ffmpeg doesn't take 3 hours on my computer. I can decrypt, rip, AND encode a movie in around that time frame on this computer, so I don't see what your response to the suggestion that you use ffmpeg was. |
| 13:56:18 | linux_manju | linuxstb: Delete build directory and create it in the svn root folder? |
| 13:56:38 | linuxstb | linux_manju: Yes - just recreate it in the same place. |
| 13:56:50 | linux_manju | linuxstb: Sure.. One sec .. thanks |
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| 14:00:48 | Gartral | ok... what do i need too to tell Winff what to do? |
| 14:01:12 | linuxstb | How to use winff is described on the PluginMpegplayer wiki page |
| 14:01:52 | Gartral | link? |
| 14:02:02 | linux_manju | linuxstb: http://pastebin.com/d39a15130 |
| 14:02:10 | linux_manju | linuxstb: Should I do make clean.. |
| 14:02:23 | linux_manju | Sorry for the dumb question.. But somehow I did not do that |
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| 14:03:00 | linuxstb | linux_manju: No need to do make clean if you deleted your build directory. |
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| 14:03:29 | Gartral | that link refers too a file with a bunch of source code scripts |
| 14:04:12 | gevaerts | Gartral: if you ever looked at the wiki, PluginMpegplayer should be more than enough to help you find the page |
| 14:04:50 | linux_manju | linuxstb: Ok.. I did delete and re run configure and make |
| 14:05:16 | linux_manju | This time also there is not bootloader directory |
| 14:06:29 | linuxstb | Can you paste (to pastebin) the output of ../tools/configure ? |
| 14:06:39 | Llorean | JdGordon: How slow is "not very often"? Once per second, once per tenth, once per hundredth? |
| 14:06:49 | Gartral | http://www.biggmatt.com/winff/downloads/winff-version-0.291.html <−− link you provide for older WinFF does not work |
| 14:07:32 | linux_manju | linuxstb: Sure.. one sec |
| 14:07:41 | BigBambi | Gartral: So fix it - it is a wiki |
| 14:08:50 | linux_manju | linuxstb: http://pastebin.com/m5ee658aa |
| 14:08:58 | Gartral | i dont know where one that works IS |
| 14:08:59 | linux_manju | linuxstb: Configure complete screenshot |
| 14:10:02 | Llorean | Gartral: The internet is chock full of video encoders, there are probably hundreds, maybe even thousands, of the things. We tell you all the information you need to know about the desired output format, so you can decide on your own among them. |
| 14:10:10 | Gartral | as the wiki mentions, its a special preset file... i know not here too find this old WinFF version, nor how to update the new Preset.xml file |
| 14:10:57 | gevaerts | linux_manju: that looks correct. One piece of advice though : it's usually not considered a good idea to do all this as root |
| 14:11:19 | Llorean | Gartral: I assure you, the original creator of the preset file had just as much knowledge of WinFF as you do now not more than a day before creating those presets. |
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| 14:12:56 | linux_manju | gevaerts: Thanks.. I will keep that in mind in future |
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| 14:15:44 | gevaerts | linux_manju: can you put the output of your latest 'make' try (the one after you deleted everything) on a pastebin ? |
| 14:17:29 | linux_manju | gevaerts: I have already done that. One sec.. Let me paste the pastebin url |
| 14:17:42 | Gartral | Winff wont open the iso... |
| 14:18:04 | BigBambi | Gartral: This isn't a video conversion help channel |
| 14:18:04 | linux_manju | Gartral: http://pastebin.com/d39a15130 |
| 14:18:13 | linux_manju | gevaerts: make output |
| 14:18:25 | B4gder | artral: maybe its time you ask questions in a forum related to the tool(s) of your choice |
| 14:18:30 | B4gder | Gartral even |
| 14:18:49 | Gartral | then prohaps you should point me too one, instead of feeding me redundant knowledge |
| 14:18:59 | B4gder | get lost |
| 14:19:24 | BigBambi | Gartral: google.com |
| 14:20:19 | Gartral | linux_manju: whats the file for, i dont have a build enviroment up |
| 14:20:34 | Llorean | Gartral: Nowhere does it say anyone in this channel is obligated to give you any information. What it does say, however, is that this channel is here for a specific purpose and target. You're beginning to irritate the wrong people, and are likely to be removed if you don't follow the guidelines. |
| 14:20:41 | linux_manju | Gartral: Sorry.. Band fingers.. It was supposed to be for gevaerts |
| 14:20:56 | linux_manju | gevaerts: http://pastebin.com/d39a15130 |
| 14:21:59 | gevaerts | linux_manju: that output looks really weird to me. Was that after deleting the build directory and recreating it ? |
| 14:22:11 | linuxstb | linux_manju: That output is very strange... After line 84, it should start building the bootloader files, but it appears to be doing something else... |
| 14:23:00 | linux_manju | gevaerts: Yes.. I deleted build and then recreated build |
| 14:23:07 | linux_manju | gevaerts: and ran ../tools/configure |
| 14:23:17 | linux_manju | gevaerts: I did not do a make clean FYI |
| 14:23:37 | linux_manju | gevaerts: Trying with the fresh checkout from SVN |
| 14:23:43 | gevaerts | If build/ was empty, make clean is not needed |
| 14:23:48 | * | gevaerts is out of ideas |
| 14:24:03 | Llorean | linux_manju: "make clean" should only affect files in the build directory, so with a new build directory it wouldn't change anything. |
| 14:24:11 | linuxstb | linux_manju: If I was you, I would delete your entire rockbox folder, change back to a normal user, and try checking out SVN again. |
| 14:24:24 | Gartral | the reason i asked here, is because i asked before and got a yes: winff will open isos... now its not.... i just want to know what i have too do to it too get it too work |
| 14:24:30 | linux_manju | gevaerts: I guess.. intially I by mistake did ./tools/configure and make make zip in the svn checkout root |
| 14:24:48 | linuxstb | linux_manju: That will explain it then... |
| 14:24:56 | linux_manju | linuxstb: Llorean gevaerts Trying with a fresh checkout... |
| 14:24:57 | linuxstb | It would have corrupted the makefiles |
| 14:25:09 | linux_manju | Sorry to eat up you people valuable time... |
| 14:25:14 | Llorean | Gartral: And we've told you. You should go ask some experts, somewhere where they're supposed to know about that software. |
| 14:25:44 | Llorean | Gartral: Possibly the reason you were given bad information is that you asked someone who has no reason to know about the software, and they were simply wrong. |
| 14:25:55 | Gartral | and i asked if you know the direct channel name |
| 14:25:59 | linux_manju | Thanks alot guys.. I will try again and update you |
| 14:26:02 | linuxstb | Gartral: www.winff.org might be a good place to start... (Google found me that) |
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| 14:26:16 | Gartral | i cant use google :( |
| 14:26:21 | BigBambi | .... |
| 14:26:27 | B4gder | ... |
| 14:26:27 | linux_manju | linuxstb: One last question.. |
| 14:26:33 | linuxstb | Gartral: Why not? |
| 14:26:33 | Gartral | they banned my ip... im still trying too figure out why |
| 14:26:44 | linux_manju | linuxstb: whats the exact sequence of compiling it... |
| 14:26:56 | domonoky | they probably know why.. :-) |
| 14:26:59 | linux_manju | linuxstb: bootloader and then make zip for rockbox.zip file? |
| 14:27:04 | Gartral | and winff only has the stuff for NEW winff releases... not the one YOU recomend |
| 14:27:11 | * | BigBambi is surprised google would do that, but if they were to, he is less surprised at the recipient |
| 14:27:49 | B4gder | Gartral: please stop discussing winff here, it's not our tool and we don't do support for it. It works fine for some people and thus it is mentioned. |
| 14:27:50 | linuxstb | linux_manju: Just what you've been trying to do - apart from the initial mistake ;) |
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| 14:27:53 | Llorean | Gartral: That page is not a "YOU". That page is created by users who submit their own personal suggestions, because it's a wiki. WE don't recommend anything specific as a whole. |
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| 14:28:21 | B4gder | BigBambi: I doubt they do |
| 14:28:26 | BigBambi | WinFF 0.291 is available on their download page.... |
| 14:28:27 | Gartral | i think someone was abuseing a proxy i had set up a few months back, but google refuses too talk too me, they just say im in there black list |
| 14:28:30 | BigBambi | B4gder: me neither |
| 14:28:47 | domonoky | Gartral: please stay on topic now !! |
| 14:28:54 | Gartral | you refers too the entire development community |
| 14:29:06 | BigBambi | domonoky: losing battle.... |
| 14:29:10 | Mode | "#rockbox +o B4gder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 14:29:26 | Llorean | Gartral: And as I said, we don't recommend anything specific. Some random person added it to the wiki, to try to be helpful. That's all. |
| 14:29:32 | linux_manju | linuxstb: Well.. Actually.. I am trying to reverse engineer the Ipod Nano 2nd gen 2GB |
| 14:29:35 | linux_manju | :P |
| 14:29:57 | linuxstb | linux_manju: Then the 1g2g bootloader is no help to you - the newer ipods have completely new hardware... |
| 14:30:05 | BigBambi | I would like to point out again, that the version listed on the wiki IS AVAILABLE FROM THE WINFF DOWNLOAD PAGE |
| 14:30:12 | BigBambi | It is not difficult to find |
| 14:30:35 | Gartral | all i want too know is if anyone knows of an irc channel that IS a support channel for winff.... the sooner i get that, the sooner i stop bugging you, and waisting everyones time, right? |
| 14:30:38 | B4gder | ok let's drop the winff subject now and return to rockbox |
| 14:30:45 | BigBambi | I went to the extreme lengths of going to www.winff.org then clicking download, then scrolling down |
| 14:31:04 | linux_manju | linuxstb: But I have an Ipod Nano.. which says.. manufacturing date as 2007 and 2nd Gen |
| 14:31:12 | linuxstb | linux_manju: Yes... |
| 14:31:42 | linuxstb | The 1g2g bootloader is for the original 1st and 2nd generation ipods - i.e. those made about 5 years ago |
| 14:32:06 | linux_manju | linuxstb: So which one ... ? |
| 14:32:14 | Llorean | Gartral: You're on the edge of getting yourself removed. There are dozens of search engines out there, make use of them. But stop asking off topic questions, because it really sounds like someone's going to lose their patience with you. |
| 14:32:19 | linuxstb | linux_manju: None... |
| 14:32:23 | Llorean | And "where do I find off-topic info" is off-topic. |
| 14:32:23 | linux_manju | :( |
| 14:33:00 | B4gder | linux_manju: you're best off finding a more suitable target |
| 14:33:41 | Gartral | i just want one little shred of information... instead im fed all this run around, i am awear im getting off-toic, but theres also absolutly no need to bar me from the one peice of infromation im asking for, either |
| 14:34:08 | linux_manju | linuxstb: B4gder So.. Does that mean.. I have no luck with the piece of hardware what I have :( |
| 14:34:21 | B4gder | linux_manju: unfortunately, yes |
| 14:34:50 | Gartral | im sorry if im ticking people off... but please try too feel for other people too... |
| 14:34:53 | Llorean | Gartral: 1) We don't know. 2) Even if we did know, that doesn't make it okay for you to ask after being told the channel rules forbid it. |
| 14:36:11 | linuxstb | linux_manju: The (first) problem with the 2nd gen Nano is the firmware is encrypted (it wasn't on earlier ipods), so we can't a) run our own code; b) reverse-engineer the original firmware. |
| 14:37:29 | linux_manju | linuxstb: So I should I forget / sacrifice rockbox ??... Please.. Please.. tell me a workaround ? |
| 14:37:48 | BigBambi | linux_manju: There is no work around |
| 14:37:56 | linux_manju | :( |
| 14:37:58 | BigBambi | If there was, we'd have done it |
| 14:38:20 | Gartral | i love rockbox, ide like too help develop it, but ive always had too fight you devs for information, any information, all i want to do is co operate, im sorry for getting off topic, but really.. your the ones applying resistence here, i love your code, but your people skills need work |
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| 14:38:27 | gevaerts | linux_manju: it is theoretically possible to get around these problems, but it requires a lot of hard workand a lot of luck |
| 14:40:02 | markun | just as a sidenote: the latest winff version has all the rockbox presets already included when you install it. Nice guys :) |
| 14:40:06 | linux_manju | gevaerts: Any compatible device.. I can shell out few more $s for rockbox.. |
| 14:40:57 | gevaerts | linux_manju: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide may help. You will probably have to buy second-hand or refurbished though |
| 14:41:31 | Llorean | markun: Yeah, apparently the WinFF author got in contact with someone (can't remember who) and asked for permission to include them |
| 14:41:35 | linux_manju | gevaerts: Thanks alot |
| 14:41:56 | linux_manju | thanks #rockbox |
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| 14:43:25 | BigBambi | That's cool - I'll go and change the wiki to point to it, seems much easier |
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| 14:45:40 | * | Llorean tried to get the WinFF guy to get in contact with him about using some updated presets instead, but never got a response. |
| 14:46:10 | Llorean | Then again things vanish sometimes in the internet. |
| 14:46:19 | BigBambi | Yes, I just installed it and noticed some where missing |
| 14:46:27 | BigBambi | Llorean: Did you try via his blog? |
| 14:46:45 | JdGordon | Llorean: like I said... I havnt tested on target at all so I could be wrong |
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| 14:48:25 | * | JdGordon gets to work testing on target to shut everyone up :D |
| 14:48:29 | Llorean | JdGordon: Well I was just curious if you knew how fast the actually polling was. |
| 14:48:42 | * | LambdaCalculus37 estimates his Gigabeat S should be arriving either today or tomorrow |
| 14:48:52 | JdGordon | yeah, no idea at all |
| 14:49:00 | Llorean | BigBambi: Nah. Besides, I haven't made the updated ones yet (it'd only take about an hour for me to do it starting from an old one). |
| 14:49:25 | BigBambi | Yeah, I was just checking out the xml from the wiki vs the included |
| 14:49:26 | Llorean | BigBambi: The resolutions on the old ones were based on the old requirements of mpegplayer being a multiple of 16, for example. |
| 14:49:44 | Llorean | And the bitrates for targets I didn't own were more or less "I *guess* this might be good" |
| 14:49:53 | BigBambi | Llorean: So are the presets.xml on the wiki and the included ones currently identical in every way? |
| 14:49:58 | Llorean | No clue. |
| 14:50:03 | BigBambi | OK, I'll check |
| 14:50:09 | Llorean | They should be unless someone's updated the one on the wiki. |
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| 14:50:49 | * | Llorean bets they don't have c200, but doesn't know if the wiki does either |
| 14:50:57 | BigBambi | If so, I'll replace the recommendation on the wiki to use the newest version without needing to replace the presets, and then when someone adds the new targets we can add the replacemement presets back to the wiki |
| 14:51:27 | Llorean | BigBambi: My updated ones were going to use a constant quantizer instead of a target bitrate. More consistent quality (in theory), and if I picked a good one, probably some filesize savings over the old presets anyway. |
| 14:51:37 | * | Llorean just never got around to it. |
| 14:51:39 | Llorean | BigBambi: Sounds good |
| 14:51:43 | BigBambi | OK, cool |
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| 14:52:10 | JdGordon | Llorean: yep, I was right... no worky (at least on mr500 on my first attempt :p ) |
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| 14:53:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: Ping! |
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| 14:59:21 | JdGordon | Llorean: :) this might actually work... BUTTON_REL isnt being triggered when moving from one to another.. that also makes the keymaps a bit simpler |
| 14:59:40 | * | JdGordon hates being wrong! |
| 14:59:49 | JdGordon | although... it does hap[pen so infrequently:D |
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| 15:00:31 | Llorean | JdGordon: Still, that's 12 more assignable actions right there, if you end up needing them and if it works. |
| 15:00:52 | JdGordon | it works :D |
| 15:01:50 | Llorean | I'll give you time for another take-back or two before I believe it does. :-P |
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| 15:02:24 | BigBambi | Llorean: done |
| 15:02:39 | Llorean | BigBambi: Thanks |
| 15:02:50 | BigBambi | No probs |
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| 15:09:14 | * | BigBambi belatedly passes on hearty congratulations to jhMikeS for his latest beast commits :) |
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| 15:16:53 | * | LambdaCalculus37 gives jhMikeS kudos for his Beast work as well :) |
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| 16:39:25 | JdGordon | well thumb scrolling takes a bit of getting used to... but it works |
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| 16:44:29 | markun | JdGordon: what is it exactly? |
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| 16:44:46 | markun | sliding over the pad to scroll? |
| 16:44:51 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 16:45:14 | markun | do you need to switch from button mode to scroll mode? |
| 16:45:31 | JdGordon | no, this is combiing buttons |
| 16:45:47 | markun | perhaps we could do it for the Gigabeat and H10 as well |
| 16:46:26 | markun | can I see your code? |
| 16:46:57 | JdGordon | yeah, 1 min |
| 16:47:29 | JdGordon | are their sliders split into multiple button areas? |
| 16:47:57 | markun | the gigabeat has 13 separate sensors which form the pad |
| 16:48:05 | markun | don't know about the H10 |
| 16:48:21 | markun | I wrote a driver to get a value from -6 to 6 for X and Y for the Gigabeat |
| 16:48:43 | JdGordon | I'm using the actions system to do it, not the button driver |
| 16:49:15 | markun | ok, even better I guess |
| 16:49:25 | markun | less code for to implement in the button driver |
| 16:49:35 | JdGordon | http://pastebin.ca/raw/984725 |
| 16:50:15 | JdGordon | its using top->center transiion and center-> bottom from scroll up, and vice vera for scroll down |
| 16:50:21 | JdGordon | or other way around... |
| 16:50:24 | JdGordon | one of them ;p |
| 16:52:39 | JdGordon | cant use the center button for anything though which isnt very nice... lots of accidental actions if you stop/start in the middle |
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| 16:52:58 | markun | I was hoping that the speed or position of the scrolling was determined by the position on the pad.. |
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| 16:53:25 | JdGordon | nope |
| 16:53:31 | JdGordon | I'm sure that will come sometime though |
| 16:53:37 | JdGordon | this is poor mans gestures :p |
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| 16:55:11 | markun | the way it works in the OFs of the meizu and gigabeat is this: |
| 16:55:32 | markun | if you press and release within a timeout it's a keypress |
| 16:55:51 | markun | if you press and hold it past a timeout it's a keypress with repeats |
| 16:56:05 | markun | if you press and move within the timeout it's some slide action |
| 16:56:49 | markun | works quite well I think. The only thing is that you miss the initial keypress if you want to press with repeats |
| 16:57:04 | JdGordon | im fairly positive that once one of the touchscreen targets are properly working someone wil come along with a patch to do just that |
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| 16:59:06 | markun | good night |
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| 16:59:54 | petur | markun: I've been tinkering with something like that for H10, but got buggered by the instability of the touchpad |
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| 17:00:21 | petur | just touching gave readings as if the user was moving |
| 17:00:44 | markun | what's the resolution of the pad? |
| 17:01:12 | petur | 0x40 - 0x400 I think are the readouts |
| 17:01:37 | petur | but depending on the pressure the readout varies greatly |
| 17:01:58 | markun | how much? |
| 17:02:19 | petur | so on touchdown you always get an increase, I think 0x20 easily |
| 17:02:35 | petur | too long ago and not near my notes atm |
| 17:03:11 | markun | if we device by 0x20 we still have 30 steps |
| 17:03:48 | markun | divide :) |
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| 17:16:44 | pondlife | Maybe http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4937 should be re-opened, so people can find it if they search... |
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| 17:25:34 | BigMac | Hey, have a quick question about the microSD card in the sansa e200 line |
| 17:25:44 | BigMac | I have a 4 gb microSD card |
| 17:26:02 | BigMac | Will it be readable? |
| 17:26:09 | Tuplanolla | why wouldn't it be? |
| 17:26:09 | B4gder | yes |
| 17:26:10 | scorche|sh | i dont see why it wouldnt be |
| 17:26:18 | B4gder | but not with the OF |
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| 17:26:30 | BigMac | the FAQ jumps from 2gb cards to the SDHC |
| 17:26:35 | BigMac | so I wasn't quite sure |
| 17:27:37 | BigMac | Anyone recommend the sansa? I am looking for a flash based DAP with a large amount of space and has to be able to play ogg |
| 17:27:54 | BigMac | And the e280+4gb seems to fit |
| 17:28:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | BigMac: Just remember that the Sansas have a new "v2" model which is unsupported by Rockbox. |
| 17:28:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | In other words: Rockbox doesn't work on the v2 Sansas. |
| 17:28:29 | BigMac | So make sure it is a v1 first? |
| 17:28:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes. |
| 17:28:35 | pondlife | I thought 4GB would have to be SDHC... am I out of date? |
| 17:28:51 | B4gder | they are hc |
| 17:29:05 | BigMac | I am pretty sure is is just a regular microSD, nut not sure |
| 17:29:06 | B4gder | theoretically they don't need to be but I've never seen any non-hc 4gb ones |
| 17:29:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | BigMac: The firmware version number is a dead giveaway. |
| 17:29:31 | BigMac | I bought it for my phone which only supposrts up to the 4gb |
| 17:29:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | If it reads something like 01.xx.xx, it's a v1. If it's 03.xx.xx, it's a v2. |
| 17:30:00 | BigMac | Well I wouldn't know that until I bought it, right LambdaCalculus37? |
| 17:30:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | BigMac: If you buy it new, you're most likely going to get a v2. |
| 17:30:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | But you can try eBay. |
| 17:31:06 | BigMac | Thats is what I was planning on, but I will check ebay |
| 17:31:34 | BigMac | on the plus side I will probably donate my gigabeat to rockbox since that is the reason I got it in the first place |
| 17:31:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | BigMac: What model Gigabeat? |
| 17:31:49 | BigMac | F40 I believe |
| 17:32:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | Why not keep it? It's always good to have at least two targets. :) |
| 17:32:17 | BigMac | I am tired of hdd daps |
| 17:32:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | If one goes on the blink, you have an extra one. |
| 17:32:20 | B4gder | yeps, for that mini-tower! |
| 17:32:22 | B4gder | :-) |
| 17:33:23 | BigMac | I like the f40, but it just doesn't suit the times I listen to it |
| 17:34:40 | BigMac | So I figure since the SOC is coming up, might as well give a budding programmer a target to work on |
| 17:35:29 | BigBambi_ | Very generous of you :) |
| 17:35:43 | BigMac | The least I could do |
| 17:35:52 | * | amiconn wonders why the v2 firmware versions start with 03. |
| 17:36:08 | BigMac | Have been using rockbox for enough time where it would be inconsiderate to me to do otherwise |
| 17:36:10 | gevaerts | Don't give it to a SoC student... They get paid for rockbox work :) |
| 17:36:26 | B4gder | only the c200 and e200 v2 firmares are v3 |
| 17:36:30 | B4gder | firmwares |
| 17:36:39 | * | amiconn thinks it might be actually a v3, with v2 being some interim dev hardware that was never released |
| 17:36:58 | B4gder | they have v1 and v4 as well |
| 17:37:00 | BigMac | but they would have to buy the target otherwise gevaerts |
| 17:37:43 | gevaerts | BigMac: sure. Most of us have to buy :). I hope you'll at least have them pay the shipping costs... |
| 17:38:22 | BigMac | Haha perhaps, but it wouldn't bother me either way |
| 17:38:35 | BigMac | You guys don't make any money off of this really |
| 17:38:41 | * | gevaerts pretends to be a GSoC student |
| 17:38:55 | BigMac | Start with the coding and I will start with the sending |
| 17:39:12 | BigMac | I am a wee bit ashamed though |
| 17:39:13 | * | B4gder mostly just talk |
| 17:39:22 | gevaerts | Actually I already have a gigabeat F. Wouldn'tknow what to do with a second one |
| 17:39:26 | BigMac | my build is like 3-2 months old |
| 17:39:33 | BigMac | Mate them gevaerts, duh |
| 17:40:07 | gevaerts | I first have to write USB host support to be able to do that :) |
| 17:40:07 | BigMac | 3-4* |
| 17:40:27 | BigMac | I built it with all the patches I liked |
| 17:40:51 | BigMac | and now am not even sure which are depreciated, which are integrated, and what are still ongoing |
| 17:42:00 | BigMac | Should find that out one day |
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| 18:06:29 | venox | hey there. is there anyway to make rockbox read my folder.jpg files as album art? |
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| 18:07:10 | domonoky | venox: mass convert them to cover.bmp .. :-) |
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| 18:18:00 | * | Nico_P crosses fingers after the big commit |
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| 18:22:31 | gast | Buschel: if you read the logs, could you have a look at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16392.0 ? |
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| 18:41:51 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: does that commit mean the hack stuff can be removed? |
| 18:42:08 | Nico_P | I don't know |
| 18:42:16 | Nico_P | I need to test without the hack |
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| 18:43:14 | jhMikeS | shouldn't take 2min to #if 0 that block in ata.c :) |
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| 18:46:44 | jhMikeS | why was the irregularity needed (buffering the 1st metadata on audio) ? |
| 18:46:54 | * | gevaerts can't connect to the forums... |
| 18:47:02 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: it's the last |
| 18:47:13 | * | jhMikeS must've misread something |
| 18:47:55 | jhMikeS | "first unbuffered track" <= ?? |
| 18:48:10 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Me neither... scorche? |
| 18:48:25 | Nico_P | ah, that's not very clear indeed. it's the one after the last track that fits into the buffer |
| 18:48:31 | BigBambi_ | gevaerts: Nor me |
| 18:48:40 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Doesn't the hack also help where buffering is fighting with dircache scan and/or database update? |
| 18:48:44 | bluebrother | Gartral: noticed that the DockPod Aqua issue was fixed in rbutil? I've updated the w32 binary yesterday evening |
| 18:49:10 | pondlife | bluebrother: Is the updated binary on the wiki? |
| 18:49:14 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: will using the ULPI invalidate any of the PP driver |
| 18:49:37 | jhMikeS | pondlife: technically it shouldn't help anything. my sense is something deeper is broken there. |
| 18:49:41 | bluebrother | pondlife: no, I've put it on my (still working) uni webspace |
| 18:49:49 | pondlife | bluebrother: linky? |
| 18:49:54 | bluebrother | http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt-v1.0.5pre.zip |
| 18:49:55 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: PP also seems to use ULPI |
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| 18:50:07 | pondlife | bluebrother: Thanks |
| 18:51:05 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I get dropouts without the hack now |
| 18:51:05 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: ok, but they must have it set that way by default. I read out some regs and it needs explicit configure on S. |
| 18:51:24 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: that's possible. |
| 18:51:28 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: they happen on each metadata loading call |
| 18:51:44 | jhMikeS | Event though it's serialized? |
| 18:52:12 | pondlife | bluebrother: I like the "Abort" -> "OK" button change, thanks |
| 18:52:52 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: yes. strangely it seems to stop happenning at one point |
| 18:53:03 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: you might have to write some config to REG_PORTSC0 |
| 18:53:07 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: is it possible to build with 32MB ram? |
| 18:53:31 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I'll try |
| 18:53:38 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: What's PORTSC1 being used for? |
| 18:54:21 | * | jhMikeS wonders how many PORTSCx are being used |
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| 18:54:34 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: the controller supports two ports (for host). I don't know of any device that uses more than one though |
| 18:54:53 | Nico_P | hmmph. audio_current_track is wrong on a backskip |
| 18:54:55 | bluebrother | pondlife: you're welcome :) |
| 18:55:19 | pondlife | Nico_P: That commit has made the UI much snappier (compared to SVN) |
| 18:55:31 | Nico_P | cool :) |
| 18:55:37 | bluebrother | I think we should still try to push a release out the next few days ... maybe some minor issues pop up so we can even include more fixes? ;-) |
| 18:55:41 | * | pondlife heads over to the forum.... |
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| 18:56:11 | pondlife | ...but the forum isn't there! |
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| 18:56:42 | BigBambi_ | Um, is rockbox.org working for anyone? |
| 18:56:59 | BigBambi_ | Sorry, works now |
| 18:57:02 | pondlife | www.rockbox.org seems ok |
| 18:57:15 | pondlife | forums.rockbox.org is not |
| 18:57:28 | bluebrother | same here. Just wanted to ask about ;-) |
| 18:57:37 | BigBambi_ | No, the forums aren't |
| 18:57:46 | scorche | hold on... |
| 18:57:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | BigBambi_: Same here. |
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| 18:58:42 | * | amiconn has the suspicion that something became very fishy in the ata driver with jhMikeS' locking changes |
| 18:58:46 | scorche | i love how this happens *after* stuff goes live |
| 18:58:49 | scorche | We were just alerted to a circuit-worth of machines being down, most likely because ThePlanet's techs are in our cage installing new equipment and probably knocked something out (as usual Sad) We're working on getting these machines back online as soon as possible. |
| 18:58:49 | scorche | Updates in a bit. |
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| 19:01:10 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: I'm not clear here on how PORTSCx selects for a specific port (I'm only now on the learning curve). |
| 19:01:42 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: for device, it's always PORTSC0 |
| 19:02:47 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: 32 MB is no better I fear |
| 19:02:50 | jhMikeS | the pp driver labels it "PORTSC1" though ?? *confused* |
| 19:03:16 | * | gevaerts looks |
| 19:03:17 | amiconn | Nico_P: I get dropout on mini G2 as well |
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| 19:03:23 | amiconn | *dropouts |
| 19:03:29 | krz | gevaerts: hi, can we make an interview now? or in the nearest time? |
| 19:03:50 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: ok, thanks. /me scratches head |
| 19:03:50 | gevaerts | krz: it's not just me... |
| 19:03:53 | Nico_P | amiconn: with my latest commit, or since before that? |
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| 19:03:57 | amiconn | Everytime the disk has to spin up for an access, there's a short dropout, unless I increase the power-on voltage settling delay |
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| 19:04:13 | krz | gevaerts: ok |
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| 19:04:45 | amiconn | I'll test a few revisions soon. I suspect this corelocking stuff that replaced the plain old mutexes... |
| 19:04:59 | * | amiconn will try 16104 and 16105 first |
| 19:05:01 | jhMikeS | mutexes are plain old |
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| 19:05:45 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: you're right. I was confused. The PORTSCx numbers seem to be 1-based |
| 19:06:07 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: So everywhere I said PORTSC0, substitute PORTSC1 |
| 19:06:54 | scorche | server is rebooting |
| 19:06:58 | jhMikeS | amiconn: there's definitely no contention for a corelock if only 1 core is ever accessing the object. the corelock only protects the plain-old mutex itself from true concurrency. |
| 19:07:16 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: ah, thanks |
| 19:07:19 | Buschel | forums are dead? |
| 19:07:34 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: the best place for this ULPI init is probably near the PORTSCX_PORT_FORCE_FULL_SPEED stuff in usb_drv_init() |
| 19:07:39 | BigBambi_ | Buschel: see logs ten minutes ago |
| 19:08:40 | * | pondlife heads over to the forum (again) |
| 19:08:43 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: without the hack, the codec seems to starve while the buffering thread is reading the metadata. with the hack, this doesn't happen |
| 19:09:02 | BigBambi_ | All back now :) |
| 19:09:12 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: so the buffering proceeds but the codec starves? |
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| 19:09:25 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: yes |
| 19:09:28 | pondlife | Something isn't yielding... |
| 19:09:48 | * | amiconn now observed a positive effect of Buschel's PP502x optimisations for the first time |
| 19:09:50 | jhMikeS | that would explain the UI unresponsiveness since it's trying to increase it's priority but not running enough. |
| 19:09:56 | Nico_P | I did have some yields in the MP3 metadata parser |
| 19:10:06 | amiconn | Runtime of my small H10 increased from ~5 hours to ~7 hours |
| 19:10:12 | asdrubal | Question about sansa c200... if I mkfs.vfat -F 32 -n "c240" ... will the sansa machine restore everything for me or do I need to back it up? |
| 19:10:12 | Buschel | :) |
| 19:10:35 | amiconn | (with mostly plain svn) |
| 19:10:47 | amiconn | Next test will be my clock-skipping udelay |
| 19:10:52 | * | Nico_P hopes he won't get bashed for the weird display on back skipping, but he doesn't have time to fix it for now |
| 19:10:58 | asdrubal | in other words, if I format my sansa, will it become bricked? |
| 19:11:07 | gevaerts | asdrubal: that should be fine as far as the OF is concerned |
| 19:11:26 | * | pondlife bashes Nico_P for some wacky metadata display on back-skipping ;) |
| 19:11:34 | asdrubal | gevaerts just make sure I do the first partition and not the second? |
| 19:11:37 | Nico_P | ouch :) |
| 19:11:37 | gevaerts | asdrubal: make sure you don't format the second partition by accident, or the entire disk... |
| 19:11:46 | pondlife | It's just display though, right? |
| 19:11:48 | asdrubal | gevaerts K thanks |
| 19:12:02 | Nico_P | pondlife: yes. it displays the next track metadata for a sec |
| 19:12:04 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: were things like dircache/database and such turned off in the test? |
| 19:12:17 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: no, sorry |
| 19:12:24 | pondlife | Should that matter? |
| 19:12:37 | pondlife | I mean, as long as you're comparing like-for-like |
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| 19:12:53 | jhMikeS | it may tell something anyway |
| 19:13:39 | pondlife | The best performance test would be with everything hitting the disk at once... |
| 19:14:03 | jhMikeS | if contention for the disk is irrelevent, then this bug isn't really a mutex problem |
| 19:14:29 | jhMikeS | since a mutex is basically an immediate return if not already claimed by another thread |
| 19:15:15 | pondlife | But what if the disk is meant to be the bottleneck, yet mutex code changes result in performance changes...? |
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| 19:15:43 | pondlife | I guess that indicates anti-social code somewhere higher up? |
| 19:17:00 | jhMikeS | these things happen too quickly compared to disk access speeds (scheduling times are microsecond level). It's only called aprox 1K-2K times to fill all of the buffer. |
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| 19:19:45 | jhMikeS | pondlife: mutex may result is scheduling order changes but each thread gets it's turn no matter what and that's only if there's a waiter |
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| 19:20:11 | amiconn | Provided there's no bug in the scheduler... |
| 19:21:28 | jhMikeS | if there were one of that magnitude, all targets would see it. one minor thing fixed recently did affect all of them. |
| 19:22:32 | jhMikeS | and if there really is one I want to find it surely |
| 19:23:42 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: have you started working on USB for the S? |
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| 19:24:13 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: started poking at it, yes |
| 19:24:24 | Nico_P | cool :) |
| 19:24:56 | jhMikeS | maybe this thing will just drop in without much to do (esp. since it's works already with ULPI) |
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| 19:25:13 | Nico_P | that would be nice |
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| 19:25:19 | ved | hellp |
| 19:25:22 | ved | hello >< |
| 19:25:25 | Nico_P | is there much work needed to get audio going? |
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| 19:26:01 | jhMikeS | Need an i2c driver |
| 19:27:21 | jhMikeS | I suppose an i2c driver isn't so hard though. It's the (S)DMA stuff that has me a bit confused. |
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| 19:31:12 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: you didn't bother to check with only buffering accessing the drive? |
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| 19:33:11 | jhMikeS | or were you in-process? :) |
| 19:36:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: My Gigabeat S should be arriving either today or tomorrow. I therefore commit myself to help test the port as much as possible. :) |
| 19:42:21 | jhMikeS | LambdaCalculus37: nice. :) and yes, do test like crazy. |
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| 19:44:07 | amiconn | hmpf |
| 19:44:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: Will do! |
| 19:44:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: What's the status of the port thus far? |
| 19:44:40 | * | LambdaCalculus37 knows sound isn't ready yet |
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| 19:47:08 | jhMikeS | LamdaCalculus37: At least you can move about the menus, use some plugins, the battery level works, detecting the charger...really basic stuff to have it just run. |
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| 19:48:40 | * | jhMikeS forgot a "b" in there |
| 19:49:02 | * | jhMikeS wonders what amiconn is "hmpf"-ing at |
| 19:49:39 | amiconn | The dropout problem is pre-r16104 |
| 19:49:51 | * | amiconn wonders why he never noticed it before |
| 19:50:25 | * | amiconn also doesn't understand how that weird dropout happens at all |
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| 19:51:31 | * | jhMikeS wonders why threads have to always be the scapegoat :p |
| 19:52:21 | amiconn | No, really. Do you have an idea why spinning up the disk causes an audio dropout, even if that access doesn't have to do with buffering? |
| 19:52:53 | amiconn | And increasing the delay after ata power-on to HZ/10 makes it go away... |
| 19:53:02 | amiconn | (SVN has HZ/50 delay there) |
| 19:53:33 | amiconn | It also goes away when building without ata poweroff |
| 19:53:46 | n1s | amiconn, maybe the dac is super sensitive to voltage fluctuations? |
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| 19:54:38 | amiconn | And that's on mini G2... that microdrive has the fastest spin-up time of all hdd based targets |
| 19:55:14 | amiconn | It also draws significantly less power than a 1.8" gdd |
| 19:55:16 | amiconn | *hdd |
| 19:56:01 | amiconn | I would think that hitting the disk too early causes ata errors - but why would this influence pcm? |
| 19:56:26 | jhMikeS | do ata errors prevent a yield from executing? |
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| 19:57:00 | amiconn | That's a good quesion... |
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| 19:58:44 | krz | gevaerts: any changes? :-) |
| 19:58:44 | amiconn | I could just increase that delay globally, but I want to understand what happens... |
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| 20:00:20 | jhMikeS | another thing is could an ata error cause a mutex call imbalance too? |
| 20:01:02 | jhMikeS | though that should get caught by the integrity checks if they're enabled but only for an extra unlock call |
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| 20:03:09 | domonoky | krz: afaik you still have to wait a bit.. :-) |
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| 20:04:42 | amiconn | Hmm, even the first PP502x ata poweroff revision (r15444) has that problem... |
| 20:05:37 | * | amiconn can't imagine having overlooked this problem for that long |
| 20:05:45 | * | amiconn calls for mini G2 owners |
| 20:09:39 | jhMikeS | blocking with a mutex vs. just spinning in a switch_thread loop also has an effect that any thread still runnable gets scheduled sooner since fewer thread are available to schedule |
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| 20:14:20 | jhMikeS | amiconn: were dropout just initial powerup related or did they occur even if not powered down again? |
| 20:14:37 | gevaerts | krz: did you get my message ? |
| 20:14:56 | amiconn | They only happen on actual power-on. If the disk isn't powered down, all is well |
| 20:17:53 | * | jhMikeS wonders if 5.5g 60/80 might have some kind of hw-related "dark" issue with ata as well |
| 20:18:27 | Horscht | it's hiding a dark secret |
| 20:20:51 | amiconn | There is no G5.5/60 ... |
| 20:21:04 | jhMikeS | well, the fact that it's the pcm buffer that drains there and not the buffering itself slowing down should raise a red flag |
| 20:21:40 | amiconn | Buffering iisn't active at that time at all... |
| 20:22:27 | amiconn | It happens even if the buffer is filled plenty, disk spun down, and then entering a browser, loading a plugin or sth like this requires a spinup... |
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| 20:25:46 | jhMikeS | what I'm getting at is the codec priority should be able to raise enough to largely "starve-out" threads accessing the disk by far which really indicates a lack of cooperation to me |
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| 20:28:01 | Buschel | hmm, seems like the dock detect bit can be used to detect connected accessoires (http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16392.0) |
| 20:28:08 | Buschel | at least on 5G |
| 20:29:18 | amiconn | It almost looks like something stops yielding for too long if there are ata errors |
| 20:29:22 | Buschel | what would be a good place to check this bit? is there any tick thread that does such polling/checking? |
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| 20:30:20 | amiconn | It doesn't matter what is causing the spinup. Observed it with file browsers, loading plugins, and also buffering itself (and I'm certain that the latter doesn't suffer from main buffer underrun. Not with only ~500ms spinup time) |
| 20:30:41 | amiconn | The dropouts are pretty short, about 1/4 second (estimated) |
| 20:32:41 | pondlife | Any Archos users able to confirm that voice menus are working ok with current code? A chap on the ML is having trouble.. |
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| 20:33:27 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Any ideas as to why the hackery was only needed on the 64MB models? |
| 20:34:01 | pondlife | (in case that's relevant here) |
| 20:35:36 | * | LambdaCalculus37 has been very naughty and hasn't updated his JBR build in Eris knows how long :) |
| 20:36:28 | Horscht | who's Eris? |
| 20:36:47 | gevaerts | Someone who knows things ;) |
| 20:36:48 | pondlife | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eris |
| 20:37:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | More specifically: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eris_%28mythology%29 |
| 20:37:30 | Horscht | she looks fugly |
| 20:37:46 | pondlife | It's not her best side. |
| 20:38:06 | gevaerts | It was a cheap portrait artist |
| 20:38:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | But before we anger Her... back to the topic? |
| 20:39:07 | ved | gevaerts: hi, do You have pms turned off? Or should I just wait ? |
| 20:39:27 | pondlife | Yes, we don't want to start a war between the Releasians and the Incrementalians... |
| 20:39:29 | jhMikeS | pondlife: not at all...though maybe we're onto something with this ata error business |
| 20:39:31 | Horscht | does it really occur on 64MB Ipod videos only? |
| 20:40:17 | pondlife | I guess we need some kind of measure of how long any particular thread is running for....but absolutely no pre-emption ;) |
| 20:40:24 | jhMikeS | Horscht: I have my sister's 5.5g 30GB for testing and it's runs flawlessly with literally everything running right at boot |
| 20:41:01 | amiconn | Is it limited to 64MB, or actually the G5.5/80 only? |
| 20:41:02 | * | jhMikeS preempts ponlife |
| 20:41:09 | jhMikeS | *pondlife |
| 20:41:10 | gevaerts | ved: sorry. I had messages from unregisterd users filtered |
| 20:41:12 | * | amiconn thinks someone should test on G5/60 |
| 20:41:29 | gevaerts | ved: you can try again now |
| 20:41:37 | Horscht | I think Buschel has one of those |
| 20:41:59 | Buschel | no, I've also got a 5.5G 30GB |
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| 20:42:10 | Horscht | ah, ok. sorry |
| 20:42:24 | * | jhMikeS adds in thread.c switch_thread_interrupt |
| 20:42:24 | amiconn | I know LinusN has one |
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| 20:43:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | I only have a 5.5G 30GB as well. |
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| 20:46:32 | Horscht | G5.5/80 here :/ |
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| 20:48:12 | jhMikeS | pondlife: it's profile_thread but I don't know if that even works now since I've never bothered with it. |
| 20:48:26 | pondlife | Ah, yes - profiling.... |
| 20:48:36 | pondlife | I forgot we (used to) have that |
| 20:49:09 | RoC_MasterMind | I am considering getting a Toshiba Gigabeat F40 instead of an iPod 4th Gen...I see the LCD driver and usb handler aren't complete...what's the experience with rockbox like right now? |
| 20:49:15 | jhMikeS | I can't imagine it shouldn't since the index was just replaced with (thread - threads[0]) |
| 20:49:28 | pondlife | RoC_MasterMind: The F40 works fine |
| 20:49:49 | RoC_MasterMind | cool pondlife ...any thoughts on the physical design like the + button? |
| 20:49:59 | RoC_MasterMind | does it have a hold switch too? |
| 20:50:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | Every DAP that I've seen does. |
| 20:50:15 | pondlife | It's an excellent target for Rockbox, but I don't like the + much myself - it's not very tactile and I have fat fingers |
| 20:50:22 | pondlife | It does have a hold switch |
| 20:50:41 | RoC_MasterMind | hmm....anything you don't like about it? |
| 20:50:52 | pondlife | Just that I prefer clicky tactile buttons. |
| 20:50:58 | pondlife | Otherwise it's great |
| 20:51:22 | pondlife | I would totally recommend it |
| 20:51:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | RoC_MasterMind: The Gigabeat doesn't have FM radio or recording. But it's one of the fastest Rockbox targets, so audio and video playback are superb. |
| 20:51:29 | jhMikeS | too all concerned: the gigabeast can pull a trick and start placing the files put on the device in a different directory and the untarring won't work |
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| 20:51:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | \o/ |
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| 20:51:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: Have a beer! :) |
| 20:51:59 | * | LambdaCalculus37 gives jhMikeS a beer |
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| 20:52:59 | * | jhMikeS takes the beer with gratitude (and now has to sober-up before trying to program more) |
| 20:53:08 | RoC_MasterMind | wow...sweet |
| 20:53:14 | RoC_MasterMind | oh it does video? |
| 20:53:44 | pondlife | Most Rockbox targets do |
| 20:53:54 | pondlife | But the Gigabeat does it very well |
| 20:54:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: You mean "with gusto". :) |
| 20:54:23 | jhMikeS | It plays NTSC at 320x240 just fine |
| 20:54:28 | RoC_MasterMind | nea |
| 20:54:29 | RoC_MasterMind | neat |
| 20:54:43 | Nico_P | LambdaCalculus37: what are you cheering about? have I missed something? |
| 20:54:44 | RoC_MasterMind | i had the 4th gen ipod greyscale...obviously it didn't |
| 20:55:25 | jhMikeS | though that framerate does use most of its potential |
| 20:55:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | Nico_P: Actually, I think I prematurely cheered. :) |
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| 20:56:20 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: The gigabeast tricking you |
| 20:56:30 | Nico_P | probably |
| 20:56:56 | Nico_P | btw, I just updated my beast and it's nice to see the battery level and shutdown working :) |
| 20:57:04 | jhMikeS | I had to do a quick reformat of storage to bring it back |
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| 20:57:11 | RoC_MasterMind | what kind of runtimes does the battery get on the f40 with rockbox? |
| 20:57:22 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: do you know where the files were stored? |
| 20:58:04 | jhMikeS | /Content/0b00/01/ |
| 20:58:37 | jhMikeS | it incremented it at some point for some reason (maybe too many times writing it) |
| 20:58:43 | Nico_P | maybe it does that afer you send a certain number of files |
| 20:58:50 | Nico_P | :) |
| 20:58:51 | jhMikeS | 99? |
| 20:59:41 | Nico_P | I think I've sent more than that amount |
| 20:59:51 | jhMikeS | I'm sure that's the reason. One thing that would be easier is if it would do that same thing if just rockbox.gigabeat were present |
| 21:00 |
| 21:00:08 | jhMikeS | same thing = copy firmare |
| 21:00:25 | Nico_P | yes, it would be much faster |
| 21:00:34 | Nico_P | I might hack it in tomorrow |
| 21:00:43 | Nico_P | but feel free to ;) |
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| 21:06:24 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: does the latest bl still work? I haven't tried a one based on latest. |
| 21:08:12 | * | jhMikeS still wonders why he's getting "unhandled IRQ in irq_handler" occasionally since that vector isn't used with the avic enabled |
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| 21:09:48 | jhMikeS | when it happens, it's always when untarring |
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| 21:11:14 | bertrik | jhMikeS: I'm working with LPC2xxx microcontrollers, ARM-based and some have a bug causing a spurious interrupt in very rare cases (IIRC, when peripherals give very short interrupts). Perhaps you're running into a similar bug. |
| 21:12:40 | jhMikeS | the only peripheral giving interrupts should be the tick. is there a workaround? |
| 21:15:12 | jhMikeS | of course something could go wrong when switch from the normal mechanism to the avic and ints are enabled in other modules at the time |
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| 21:15:58 | bertrik | IIRC, the fix is simply to have a default IRQ handler that does nothing but acknowledge the interrupt in the VIC |
| 21:16:22 | bertrik | I'm not familiar with the avic |
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| 21:17:17 | jhMikeS | interrupts are all acked in their own module registers meaning that there's no global register that acks them on imx31 |
| 21:18:06 | * | jhMikeS will double-check that |
| 21:18:21 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:19:13 | bertrik | gevaerts: any luck with the USB problem you were investigating? |
| 21:19:32 | gevaerts | bertrik: not yet, except that I suspect that some of my debug code was wrong... |
| 21:19:45 | gevaerts | But no real clue |
| 21:20:06 | jhMikeS | nope, no global INTPND or anything like s3c2440, or MCF52xx |
| 21:20:23 | gevaerts | bertrik: I've been kind of busy with gsoc things |
| 21:21:49 | jhMikeS | the problem is that it happens in usual irq_handler not in an unused vector in the table (which would tell the interrupt name) |
| 21:22:29 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I haven't updated my BL in a while |
| 21:22:49 | jhMikeS | though the avic registers will tell it anyway now that I think about it |
| 21:23:11 | * | Nico_P leaves |
| 21:23:23 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: it's a bad process on windows atm |
| 21:24:54 | * | jhMikeS shuts up and works on USBeast |
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| 21:25:57 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: what needs to be defined in order to include all the stack stuff? |
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| 21:27:34 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: I think you need HAVE_USBSTACK, USB_VENDOR_ID and USB_PRODUCT_ID for enumeration to work. If you want working mass storage, you also need USE_ROCKBOX_USB |
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| 21:29:49 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: what about serial number? |
| 21:30:25 | amiconn | LambdaCalculus37: Not all daps have hold switches |
| 21:30:32 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: if you don't provide specific serial number code, the stack makes one up from the HD serial number |
| 21:30:33 | * | amiconn has 4 targets withou tone |
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| 21:30:39 | amiconn | *without one |
| 21:31:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: I know the Archos devices don't. |
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| 21:34:14 | John64 | i noticed that you are looking for people to test Rockbox Utility under vista. I am running vista and an 80GB iPod and it seems to be working about as well as it does in Linux |
| 21:34:27 | bluebrother | John64: nice to hear :) |
| 21:34:31 | amiconn | Another remark is that all rockbox targets with just one single exception play video (in rockbox) |
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| 21:34:49 | * | linuxstb wonders if that will always be the case... ;) |
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| 21:35:12 | John64 | though, every time i try to play a song, rockbox is saying "Codec Failure" |
| 21:35:14 | amiconn | linuxstb: what? |
| 21:35:23 | linuxstb | video on the Player... |
| 21:36:34 | amiconn | Uhmmm... at 20x14, with a few extra gaps inbetween? |
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| 21:37:25 | Buschel | sorry to repeat myself: is there a proposed place/thread in the source where polling for GPIO (accessory detect) and setting some power control for iPod could be nicely included? |
| 21:37:37 | * | Buschel doesn't want to make an ugly solution |
| 21:39:26 | John64 | ok, now it is saying rockbox can't load the codecs in /.rockboc/codecs/flac.codec |
| 21:39:51 | bluebrother | John64: sounds like you have two installations mixed up. Try reinstalling |
| 21:39:53 | John64 | it is doing the same for mp3's |
| 21:39:56 | John64 | ok, thanks |
| 21:40:11 | PaulJam | Buschel: did you see that he reported that the remote has no sound with r17111? so maybe your commit wasn't the cause for that. |
| 21:40:37 | Buschel | wtf |
| 21:41:12 | John64 | is there a lot of working happening with ipod battery life? |
| 21:41:39 | John64 | more appropriately, is that a priority of the project? |
| 21:42:30 | amiconn | Buschel: Probably another thing for the powermgmt rework... |
| 21:42:30 | Buschel | PaulJam: to be honest, i don't trust his second test too much. |
| 21:42:43 | PaulJam | Buschel: i just see that the current build page is still at r 17110. |
| 21:43:10 | John64 | bluebrother: it seems to still be happening. i downloaded the latest build and extracted it, there is only one installation there and i am getting the same issue. It is giving me the correct bitrates |
| 21:44:22 | Buschel | John64: there were several optimizations beginning of February, and there is still some room for improvement |
| 21:44:37 | John64 | Buschel: thanks |
| 21:44:40 | PaulJam | Buschel: so i guess he didn't check the rockbox info screen and is really at r17110. |
| 21:45:26 | Buschel | PaulJam: i think so. but i'm wondering why his GPIO's didn't change in his last test −− i guess he didn't test correct |
| 21:45:42 | John64 | if the bootloader gets me into rockbox, it wouldn't be the source of my problems would it? I have run this ipod with rockbox before |
| 21:46:20 | Buschel | John64: what was the last version before yoiu've updated? maybe the bootloader is out of time? |
| 21:47:00 | John64 | i installed the latest bootloader |
| 21:47:36 | Buschel | amiconn: maybe I'll just implement an evil proof-of-concept patch before the sophisticated solution |
| 21:48:31 | BigBambi_ | John64: Just to be sure, could you remove the .rockbox folder (having saved any cfgs etc. you want to keep), then re-extract rockbox.zip? |
| 21:48:44 | John64 | BigBambi_: i have already done that a couple times |
| 21:48:49 | BigBambi_ | OK |
| 21:48:57 | BigBambi_ | Weird then |
| 21:49:03 | John64 | i do have the 1.3 apple firmware for the Video |
| 21:49:23 | BigBambi_ | Codec errors are usually a mismatch between rockbox.ipod (or whatever) and the rest of the install |
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| 21:50:09 | John64 | i am going to do a restore in iTunes and try again from scratch, should i remove rockbox's bootloader first |
| 21:50:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | iTunes will wipe it as well. |
| 21:50:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | So just restore and start clean. |
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| 21:52:00 | John64 | now windows is saying i need to format the drive. this is odd |
| 21:52:22 | BigBambi_ | John64: You have connected via the OF or OF disk mode? |
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| 21:52:34 | John64 | disk mode |
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| 21:54:49 | Buschel | regarding another issue: gui boost (aka "battery-life-for-mpc-and-flac", aka "use-far-less-than-30MHz-as-default-clock") -> it should be sufficient to boost cpu when scrolling in lists, not on each button activity. correct? |
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| 21:57:15 | John64 | is flac a low overhead codec? |
| 21:57:30 | John64 | ok, this rockbox is looking heathier already |
| 21:57:36 | Buschel | we know that mpc decodes @24MHz + 2.5MHz (dsp/i2s), flac at even less (~12MHz + 2.5MHz) |
| 21:57:52 | John64 | is there a way i can set the clock rate manually while playing |
| 21:58:08 | earHurts | anyone know who fixed the ipod scroll accell? It works better than mine did |
| 21:58:11 | John64 | that is insane btw, flac is my favorite codec, and why i don't like the apple firmware |
| 21:58:31 | linuxstb | earHurts: Hi - welcome back ;) I think that was jhMikeS's implementation that finally got in. |
| 21:58:37 | Buschel | earHurts: the scrollwheel accel in svn? |
| 21:58:49 | earHurts | yes, in the latest build |
| 21:59:03 | John64 | it works wonderfully |
| 21:59:06 | earHurts | hi linuxstb ;) |
| 21:59:15 | Buschel | basic idea came from jhMikeS (sansa), I've adapted it for iPods |
| 21:59:21 | BigBambi_ | John64: FLAC uses very little CPU to decode, but has to hit the disk more often |
| 21:59:29 | John64 | right, makes sense |
| 21:59:31 | earHurts | John64: yes, it does. I had submitted a patch that worked not as well |
| 21:59:42 | BigBambi_ | But overall is pretty efficient |
| 21:59:57 | John64 | what frequency is required for mp3/aac? |
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| 22:00:05 | earHurts | I am interested in browsing the svn to see the code, but how do I browse svn with a web browser? |
| 22:00:18 | BigBambi_ | John64: Depends on DAP - I think there is a wiki page somewhere |
| 22:00:20 | Buschel | mp3 needs about 40MHz overall (no WPS) |
| 22:00:30 | Bagder | earHurts: http://svn.rockbox.org/ |
| 22:00:37 | earHurts | thanks |
| 22:00:50 | Lear | Buschel: Regarding the accessory presence detection, using the same place as the headphone detection makes sense, imho. That means the button tick task. |
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| 22:01:21 | earHurts | oh, there seem to be some bugs in databse; specifically in reading tags. Anyone currently working on that? |
| 22:01:33 | Buschel | Lear: that is my favorite for a quick-and-dirty version. let's see how it works :) |
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| 22:03:59 | LinusN | welcome TaylorKillian |
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| 22:04:29 | John64 | is a reallllllly slow copy rate a sign of a dieing ipod? |
| 22:05:12 | TaylorKillian | Hey LinusN |
| 22:05:49 | TaylorKillian | I believe that I am ready for my interview |
| 22:06:08 | gevaerts | Great :) |
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| 22:07:24 | troy_ | any one in here have experience on craking firmware in .bin format i need to make a keygen for an akai mpc2500 drummachine |
| 22:07:44 | TaylorKillian | (Note that I am on my phone, so typing will be slow.) |
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| 22:08:20 | LinusN | TaylorKillian: just stay tuned |
| 22:08:57 | troy_ | any one |
| 22:09:08 | gevaerts | troy_: that's off-topic here |
| 22:09:14 | BigBambi_ | troy_: This is really only a rockbox channel |
| 22:09:15 | PaulJam | troy_: this channel is about rockbox |
| 22:09:20 | BigBambi_ | hehe |
| 22:09:27 | BigBambi_ | Any more? :) |
| 22:10:01 | troy_ | ok @bigbambi do you know of a chanel where i can find some hackers ? |
| 22:10:08 | BigBambi_ | No, sorry |
| 22:10:20 | troy_ | any one |
| 22:10:35 | Buschel | bye folks, gotta get some sleep. see you! |
| 22:10:39 | BigBambi_ | troy_: As we say, this is an on-topic channel |
| 22:10:39 | gevaerts | troy_: asking about other channels is also off-topic |
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| 22:10:45 | LinusN | this channel is full of hackers, maybe just not the kind that you look for :-) |
| 22:11:13 | troy_ | ok sorry |
| 22:11:41 | ved | start with IDA disasm ;] |
| 22:12:25 | troy_ | ill pay |
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| 22:15:39 | John64 | in terms of audio quality and rockbox compatibility what is the best device to get? |
| 22:16:07 | LinusN | John64: i would say iriver H100 series |
| 22:16:37 | linuxstb | I would rate the H100 quite low for sound quality - I find it very noisy. |
| 22:16:55 | * | amiconn still didn't get used to the ipod scrollwheel acceleration :( |
| 22:17:09 | LinusN | amiconn: you're too old :-) |
| 22:17:14 | amiconn | It overshoots a lot for me... |
| 22:17:19 | BigBambi_ | For features and rockbox compatibility I'd say iriver H1x0, but much as I love it I'm not sure I would say it was best for sound quality |
| 22:17:47 | Lear | With high impedance earphones, noise isn't a problem, in my experience. |
| 22:18:02 | linuxstb | John64: If you want a hard disk target, I would say the Gigabeat F series is excellent value for money. |
| 22:18:05 | John64 | well, i care more about audio quality than compatibility then i guess |
| 22:18:09 | amiconn | The old 1st/2nd Gen without scrollwheel acceleration are a lot easier to operate imo |
| 22:18:11 | John64 | i will check that out |
| 22:18:12 | ZincAlloy | I still think a scrollwheel is a bad way to navigate an mp3 player... |
| 22:18:16 | BigBambi_ | It isn't bad at all, having said that |
| 22:18:29 | PaulJam | same for h300. i was a little bit disappointed when i got some in ear headphones. |
| 22:18:29 | * | bluebrother was not impressed by the sound quality of the Ipod compared to the h100 |
| 22:18:39 | BigBambi_ | The F is nice too, but misses recording and radio |
| 22:18:48 | BigBambi_ | bluebrother: I had already dismissed them in my head :) |
| 22:18:54 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Which ipod? The 5g (and I assume later) is significantly better than my Color. |
| 22:18:55 | John64 | is the irivier h3xx series alright for sound? I hate the sound on my iPod |
| 22:19:03 | John64 | i have a 5.5g |
| 22:19:04 | amiconn | No overshooting, and yet fast enough for all my lists. The only disadvantage of that wheel driver is that it doesn't handle repeat, hence no dynamic wrap-protection in lists |
| 22:19:04 | bluebrother | I only know the mini. |
| 22:19:06 | ZincAlloy | no problem with my Koss Porta Pros and my h300 |
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| 22:19:24 | John64 | i <3 my Denon HD-A1000 |
| 22:19:26 | gevaerts | TaylorKillian: did you get my message ? |
| 22:19:44 | amiconn | To me it seems that dap sound quality degrades with every new generation... :/ |
| 22:19:45 | bluebrother | but I'm looking for a gigabeat. |
| 22:19:49 | ved | ZincAlloy: definitelly wheel sux for doom play |
| 22:20:14 | ved | hard to click direction buttns hehe |
| 22:20:23 | BigBambi_ | I would claim that Doom is not the primary aim of an audio player.... |
| 22:20:36 | John64 | BigBambi_: really? |
| 22:20:37 | ZincAlloy | ved: for sure! I hardly ever play doom, but I think it's also uncomfortable for browsing |
| 22:20:39 | John64 | ;) |
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| 22:20:50 | BigBambi_ | John64: Yeah, contrary to what some seem to think :) |
| 22:21:10 | John64 | i assume you have seen Quake3 on the touch? |
| 22:21:11 | linuxstb | I quite like the wheel - it's nice to have all buttons together. (I prefer it to the gigabeat/H100 etc) |
| 22:21:13 | ved | yea, this diamong dame ftw |
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| 22:21:28 | ved | jewels ;] |
| 22:21:48 | ved | game* |
| 22:22:00 | John64 | i bet they don't make the gigabeat f anymore do they :'( |
| 22:22:08 | John64 | it looks sweet |
| 22:22:15 | ved | amiconn: I never know whether it is dap, poor damn mp3 or headphones ;/ |
| 22:22:19 | BigBambi | I'm not fond of the wheel on the e200 - I find it awkward to press the surrounding buttons, but I hate the faux-cross on the gigabeat F. The beast cross is nice though |
| 22:22:40 | * | linuxstb was talking ipod wheel |
| 22:22:41 | BigBambi | John64: No, but they pop up on ebay fairly regularly, and fairly cheap |
| 22:22:47 | ZincAlloy | linuxstb: I can't get used to constantly turning the wheel. pushing a button is so much easier in my opinion |
| 22:23:02 | linuxstb | ZincAlloy: I have very short lists, so it's not a problem. |
| 22:23:18 | ZincAlloy | linuxstb: I see... |
| 22:23:35 | John64 | BigBambi: i will keep an eye out for one. i just noticed there isnt a single rockbox target in production |
| 22:23:46 | amiconn | ved: Well, I can compare the sound of all my targets using the same phones/ hifi ... |
| 22:23:48 | BigBambi | Not, not anymore |
| 22:23:52 | John64 | so sound is good on the GB F |
| 22:23:57 | BigBambi | s/Not/No |
| 22:24:10 | BigBambi | John64: I think so, but it all depends on ears and earphones |
| 22:24:13 | linuxstb | John64: How would you rate your 5.5g? |
| 22:24:19 | John64 | disgusting |
| 22:24:32 | BigBambi | I have decent earphones (sennheiser cx95), but cloth ears :) |
| 22:24:32 | John64 | compared to my HDA laptop |
| 22:24:53 | John64 | i have Denon over ear headphones which i can pick up every little thing from the ipod |
| 22:25:14 | John64 | my desktop has an X-Meridiand which sounds infinitely better than the ipod |
| 22:25:18 | BigBambi | I suspect you will notice something from most DAPs then |
| 22:25:38 | ZincAlloy | for sure! |
| 22:26:16 | John64 | when are they going to make a dap that caters to the audiophile. all i as for is a good audio, flac support and decent battery. It could be 2lbs and the size of a brick for all i care |
| 22:26:51 | John64 | good news though, rockbox is working again :D |
| 22:26:55 | scorche|sh | the H100 is as close as you get for that sort of thing...SPDIF.. |
| 22:27:01 | John64 | :O |
| 22:27:14 | BigBambi | Yes, optical + line in + out on the H100 is nice |
| 22:27:37 | John64 | wow. now, do they make pocket sized battery powered dacs? :P |
| 22:27:43 | BigBambi | That is |
| 22:27:47 | BigBambi | Sorry |
| 22:27:55 | BigBambi | I misread dac for dap |
| 22:28:09 | John64 | haha |
| 22:28:23 | linuxstb | John64: Do you know about head-fi.org ? |
| 22:28:40 | John64 | yep, i am a member but i don't really care for that site much |
| 22:28:49 | markun | John64: with sensitive earphones you can hear noise from the HDD in the audio coming from the Gigabeat |
| 22:28:58 | John64 | oh :( |
| 22:29:01 | John64 | that is a deal breaker |
| 22:29:11 | markun | you'll find that with many DAPs |
| 22:29:16 | BigBambi | I really think you will struggle with any DAP though |
| 22:29:29 | * | bluebrother starts to get annoyed by the repeated port requests in the tracker |
| 22:29:38 | BigBambi | The screeching noise on reading the flash in the e200 for instance |
| 22:29:41 | John64 | i get that in my ipod |
| 22:29:43 | markun | bluebrother: ipod classic? |
| 22:30:01 | bluebrother | markun: various. |
| 22:30:03 | * | bertrik must be deaf for stuff like that |
| 22:30:21 | ved | BigBambi: maybe Im deaf but e200 played without scratches for me ;) |
| 22:30:22 | bluebrother | it's just really getting annoying −− we have tracker guidelines for this :( |
| 22:30:31 | markun | bertrik: you can't hear it with every headphone (at least I can't) |
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| 22:30:50 | BigBambi | ved: Depends on sensitivity of earphones as well - it is definitely there |
| 22:31:01 | * | gevaerts must be deaf. He can't hear anything wrong when listening to his mono 56kbps transcoded mp3s |
| 22:31:07 | ved | :O |
| 22:31:09 | BigBambi | lol :) |
| 22:31:15 | ved | yea |
| 22:31:17 | ved | exactly |
| 22:31:21 | ved | cant hear anything |
| 22:31:22 | ved | :D |
| 22:31:28 | gevaerts | Even the music in those is just fine |
| 22:31:38 | markun | gevaerts: casette tape rips? |
| 22:31:39 | John64 | how clean is rockbox code in overall design. i want to start playing around with more low level code (java programming spoils you) |
| 22:31:47 | BigBambi | gevaerts: I hope you transcoded up from 32kbps for better quality? |
| 22:31:57 | gevaerts | BigBambi: of course :) |
| 22:32:03 | BigBambi | John64: I guess that depends on what part of the code |
| 22:32:06 | John64 | is rockbox supposed to make the ipod sound better :P |
| 22:32:08 | ved | John64: amazing how many ifdefs can ppl make in one function :DDD |
| 22:32:09 | BigBambi | Best just dive in! |
| 22:32:09 | bertrik | John64: quite clean IMO, but there's a lot of #ifdefs |
| 22:32:16 | John64 | haha |
| 22:32:26 | John64 | preprocessors don't scare me |
| 22:32:52 | markun | John64: some people claim rockbox sounds better, but if you measure it the produce the same sound |
| 22:32:53 | gevaerts | Actually, they are time-shifted realaudio things, often 40 or 50 kbps |
| 22:32:55 | ved | do{} while(0) tricks on daily basis? :) |
| 22:32:56 | bertrik | mosquitoes don't scare me, but they are surely annoying |
| 22:32:57 | scorche|sh | John64: objective tests show that they sound pretty much identical, but people say it sounds better (as well as the opposite)...however Rockbox for sure has many more ways of adjusting the sound to your taste |
| 22:32:59 | BigBambi | John64: MP3 decoders are much of a muchness, and we can't do anything about the hardware, but I guess the 5 band parametric equalizer can help |
| 22:33:44 | John64 | well, for one the crossfeed makes sure i don't vomit from dizzyness |
| 22:34:03 | John64 | that is an improvement, i find without crossfeed i get dizzy |
| 22:34:59 | markun | me too |
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| 22:35:26 | * | gevaerts has no dizzyness issues when listening to those files of his |
| 22:35:40 | * | amiconn neither |
| 22:36:13 | amiconn | I tried crossfeed once... sounds rather strange to me, and noticeably degrades sound quality |
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| 22:36:44 | markun | gevaerts, amiconn: I have a song for you to try if you want :) |
| 22:36:59 | ved | I wonder if someone start making mp3 players on DSP, all filers and equalizers for free |
| 22:37:07 | ZincAlloy | processing an mp3 with eq is not really a good idea for you're trying to eq things that the mp3 codec left away because they *should* be inaudible... |
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| 22:38:16 | toffe82 | markun: did you write a song ? ;) |
| 22:38:41 | markun | toffe82: unfortunately this song which makes you vomit is not made by me :) |
| 22:38:49 | * | gevaerts suspects he probably won't like that song, even with crossfeed |
| 22:39:11 | amiconn | Afaiu, crossfeed should reduce perceived stereo width a bit, but for me it doesn't seem to do that, and it produces muffled, imprecise sound instead.. |
| 22:39:14 | whoever_ | hi together. I have a small problem. my filesystem of my iAudio is destroyed (ehm - not completly destroyed - just a bit)! so i want to formate my iAudio. does this function after that? can I just create the old folders and rockbox run again? |
| 22:39:21 | whoever_ | sorry for my english, but I'm german |
| 22:39:29 | markun | it's a Badly Drawn Boy song called "This Song" |
| 22:40:01 | ved | suspicious title |
| 22:40:02 | * | amiconn actually uses *increased* stereo width (just the opposite-phase thing) when listening with earphones |
| 22:40:07 | * | gevaerts grabs his web browser |
| 22:40:26 | ZincAlloy | amiconn, crossfeed works pretty good for me. I can localize the music in front of me instead of inside my head |
| 22:41:29 | amiconn | Yeah, it seems it's supposed to do that too, but for me it doesn't do that at all |
| 22:41:30 | markun | ZincAlloy: unfortunately it's impossible to make one which work the same for everybody since it depends on the shape of your head and ears etc |
| 22:42:04 | amiconn | The localisation with and without crossfeed is exactly the same for me, just the sound quality degrades with it enabled |
| 22:42:06 | ZincAlloy | amiconn: increasing the stereo width should make everything sound even more imprecise. especially things in the center of the stereo mix.. |
| 22:42:24 | amiconn | But then, in-head localisation is no problem imho... |
| 22:42:52 | amiconn | ZincAlloy: Yeah, but it doesn't, or at least much less than the frequency-dependent crossfeed |
| 22:43:07 | ZincAlloy | I think it is. that's not how a stereo mix is meant to be heard |
| 22:43:46 | * | amiconn prefers speakers over head-/earphones anyway, ond only uses the latter if speakers are impracticable |
| 22:44:21 | amiconn | What puzzles me though is that crossfeed doesn't have the effect it should have *at all* for me... |
| 22:44:48 | markun | amiconn: you just have a difficult head to model in such a simple filter :) |
| 22:44:56 | ved | :D |
| 22:45:51 | amiconn | Well, what I would expect if the filter isn't ideal for the individual head is that it has at least a partial effect in the right direction |
| 22:45:58 | ZincAlloy | amiconn: just trying to widen things up.... I think it sounds pretty horrible compared to 100% stereo width. 100% on headphones is extremely wide anyway... |
| 22:46:36 | * | ved goes eat a horse |
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| 22:46:47 | markun | ved: bon apetit |
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| 22:49:21 | ZincAlloy | amiconn: you could never get that much channel seperation on speakers... that's why we have crossfeed... I think it helps overly wide recordings with weired panning of instruments (think 1960ies music) - though it sure isn't perfect.. |
| 22:50:39 | John64 | gotta love how half the band is on one channel and the other have on another |
| 22:51:15 | markun | When preglow and I worked on the crossfeed effect we tested it with "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" :) |
| 22:51:20 | ZincAlloy | that's mostly records that were meant to be mixed for mono |
| 22:51:45 | John64 | rockbox really is confusing to navigate until you get used to it |
| 22:52:10 | * | John64 is too used to the ipod's navigation |
| 22:53:23 | ZincAlloy | John64: I think the menus are pretty tidy. I can find everything very fast - but then again I have been using rockbox for years :D |
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| 22:54:12 | ZincAlloy | markun: classic example for a recording that was meant for mono. a shame that the mono mix isn't available on CD |
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| 22:54:37 | markun | I only have Pet Sounds in mono |
| 22:54:54 | John64 | i have used it for 10 hours in my whole life |
| 22:55:43 | markun | John64: in that case: welcome to the wonderful world of rockbox! |
| 22:55:45 | ZincAlloy | my Pet Sounds CD has both, the mono and stereo mix. the stereo mix is rather new and not bad at all. nicely balanced |
| 22:56:23 | markun | anyway, this is getting pretty off-topic |
| 22:56:31 | ZincAlloy | John64: welcome! you'll sure get used to it. have you read the manual? |
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| 22:57:42 | ZincAlloy | markun: true. back to topic: crossfeed makes Lucy in the sky much more listenable. |
| 22:57:57 | John64 | no, it is easy enough to use, it is just stuff like remembering the menu button works differently |
| 22:58:08 | scorche|sh | back to off-topic you mean? ;) |
| 22:58:08 | John64 | is that a mono album? |
| 22:58:12 | John64 | haha |
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| 22:58:18 | DerPapst | danke |
| 22:58:22 | DavidSG | hello, I am ready for my interview whenever you are. |
| 22:58:39 | ZincAlloy | isn't crossfeed ontopic? |
| 22:59:38 | gevaerts | DavidSG: a few more minutes please :) |
| 22:59:53 | DavidSG | gevaerts: ok not a problem |
| 22:59:59 | markun | amiconn: I was working on some ideas I had to make more use of the touchpad on the gigabeat, but it's not working very well with the current button.c |
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| 23:00:22 | John64 | if my files use a smart directory structure, is it a good idea to forgoe the database? |
| 23:00:48 | BigBambi | John64: It is up to you, but personally I prefer using a file tree, yes |
| 23:00:56 | ZincAlloy | John64: I think so, but it depends on ones personal preferences |
| 23:01:38 | John64 | i have the files layed out exactly as i would use them, so i guess less overhead is good |
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| 23:02:30 | troy_ | this is off topic |
| 23:02:51 | gevaerts | troy_: why is it ? |
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| 23:03:23 | BigBambi | troy_: I would say a discussion on how to use rockbox is fairly on-topic myself |
| 23:03:34 | troy_ | but say i have correct user name and password for a program . is it possible to make a keygen with out hacking the sortware ? |
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| 23:04:02 | John64 | ok, that is way off topic |
| 23:04:09 | troy_ | lol |
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| 23:04:24 | troy_ | sorry but i cant find the answer any where |
| 23:04:51 | John64 | something tells me rockbox won't either. try efnet warez |
| 23:05:06 | BigBambi | troy_: Seriously, just because you can't find something elsewhere, don't just ask us |
| 23:05:11 | troy_ | thanks john |
| 23:05:18 | BigBambi | John64: And plase don't suggest anything like that, even in jest |
| 23:05:21 | BigBambi | *please |
| 23:05:24 | John64 | alright |
| 23:05:26 | troy_ | sorry again |
| 23:05:33 | BigBambi | We take copyright seriously |
| 23:05:38 | scorche|sh | one more mention of it, and whoever says it is gone... |
| 23:06:41 | troy_ | i wont say it again |
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| 23:07:16 | John64 | what are the treble and bass cutoffs for? They have 1-4 as options? |
| 23:07:17 | markun | scorche|sh: man.. this is so tempting.. :) |
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| 23:07:58 | markun | John64: I guess those are setting from the wolfson DAC |
| 23:08:15 | markun | we probably should put numbers there in Hz |
| 23:08:46 | John64 | would 1 be a lower frequency or a higher level of cutoff |
| 23:10:01 | markun | I guess you will have to check the datasheet for that :( |
| 23:10:39 | Llorean | Since the frequencies used change with sample rate, iirc, we just gave them arbitrary designations |
| 23:10:43 | Llorean | I believe 1 is lower and 4 is higher. |
| 23:10:55 | John64 | lower frequency for where the cutoff is? |
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| 23:11:07 | Llorean | Yes, lower frequency... |
| 23:11:11 | John64 | thanks |
| 23:11:44 | Llorean | The best solution would be just to test and verify that it is, though |
| 23:12:13 | John64 | i was wondering what the number represented, and i now know (abitrarity) |
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| 23:13:25 | Llorean | Well, displaying the actual frequencies added a complication, and if you pick a frequency, you might find yourself frustrated to discover that it wasn't that frequency for all your music (assuming the possibility of a mixed sample rate collection) |
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| 23:15:56 | amiconn | markun: The Hz settings were changed into simple numbers on purpose |
| 23:16:19 | markun | amiconn: sorry, didn't know that |
| 23:16:19 | amiconn | The frequencies aren't fixed, but change with sample rate |
| 23:16:33 | markun | but we always use 44100Hz |
| 23:16:52 | markun | is this in preparation for dynamic samplerates? |
| 23:18:15 | ZincAlloy | dynamic sample rates? |
| 23:18:17 | John64 | what does data abort at 00065D70 (0) mean? |
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| 23:18:26 | amiconn | We use 44100Hz for music playback, yes. But most DACs are capable of multiple sample rates, and at least some targets allow to select sample rate |
| 23:18:38 | amiconn | Not used for music, but e.g. for midi, or doom |
| 23:18:51 | Llorean | ZincAlloy: Several of our players should be able to playback at multiple sample rates rather than having to resample with our somewhat low quality resampler. |
| 23:19:01 | amiconn | I'd like to see multiple sample rates supported for music playback as well |
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| 23:19:48 | ZincAlloy | interesting... |
| 23:20:03 | amiconn | The transition cannot be gapless of course, but then a sample rate change within an album is extremely unlikely |
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| 23:21:38 | amiconn | Sound quality for non-44100Hz files would improve noticeably, I think, even icompared to a better resampler than we have |
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| 23:24:49 | John64 | well, i should get back to studying, thanks everyone for the help, things are a lot more clear now |
| 23:25:25 | ZincAlloy | bye, John! |
| 23:25:40 | markun | John64: hope to see you soon again |
| 23:26:16 | John64 | you will, i am really liking the progress rockbox has made, i am going to keep it on my player this time i think. Hopefully i can wrap my head around the code pretty quickly too |
| 23:26:42 | markun | good luck with your studies |
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| 23:27:37 | John64 | thanks |
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| 23:42:29 | * | LambdaCalculus37 shows jhMikeS his shiny new Gigabeast :) |
| 23:43:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: It arrived today. |
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| 23:49:19 | moos | LambdaCalculus37: Congratulations ! |
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| 23:49:54 | moos | it came with a good timing (ragarding amazing progresses that jhMikeS is making :) |
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| 23:50:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | moos: Damn good timing, I say. :) |
| 23:52:10 | moos | mine came a bit too early and then did stay in deep sleep until jhMikeS made it up again ;) |
| 23:52:19 | scorche|sh | amiconn: do you think Berlin is still an option, or should we just go with Sweden again? |
| 23:52:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | moos: The GigabeatSInfo wiki page mentions an nk.bin file in the source that does not allow dual booting, but can run Rockbox. |
| 23:53:18 | BigBambi | LambdaCalculus37: You want dual booting for now |
| 23:53:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | BigBambi: Of course. :) |
| 23:53:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | Let me get my beast. |
| 23:53:58 | moos | LambdaCalculus37: I don't use OF at all then no need for me, but I guess dualboot is availiable |
| 23:54:01 | amiconn | scorche: It's an option, but somehow we need a decision |
| 23:54:35 | BigBambi | moos: I was thinking of USB (crippled as it is in the OF) for now |
| 23:55:09 | scorche|sh | amiconn: indeed...do you think you could put out a mail to the list similar to Bagder's and perhaps say a bit about the area/location? |
| 23:55:58 | moos | BigBambi: yeah still depending of it for now like others software USB targets, let's hope in our USB stack. (I don't use my beast yet...) |
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| 23:56:02 | jhMikeS | well, it locks up when plugging USB so I suppose that's progress :p |
| 23:56:11 | BigBambi | hehe |
| 23:56:11 | moos | hehe :) |
| 23:57:33 | r0rshach | hi |
| 23:57:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | Well, I plugged in via USB and got a "Connected" screen, but no devices are showing up in Linux. |
| 23:57:52 | r0rshach | do you need to format the drive? |
| 23:57:54 | BigBambi | LambdaCalculus37: Of course not |
| 23:57:59 | BigBambi | LambdaCalculus37: It is MTP crap |
| 23:58:11 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: try lsusb (as root) |
| 23:58:18 | r0rshach | ewww mtp |
| 23:58:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: Yes, it shows up. |
| 23:58:42 | BigBambi | LambdaCalculus37: you can mount it with fuse (or whatever it is called), but you still have to reconnect it after every operation (for me anyway) |
| 23:58:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | 0930:0010 Toshiba Corp. |
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