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#rockbox log for 2008-04-15

00:00:48r0rshachanyone have experience with the ZIF to ATA adapters?
00:00:58LambdaCalculus37BigBambi: From ~/rockbox/build folder, what's the command to compile sendfirm?
00:01:47BigBambiLambdaCalculus37: It is in rockbox/utils/MTP
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00:02:43BigBambijust type make in there (you need to have thinhs like devel packages for libusb installed IIRC)
00:03:17LambdaCalculus37No wonder it just borked on me.
00:03:27*LambdaCalculus37 goes to get the libusb dev packages
00:04:41LambdaCalculus37Oops! Forgot libmtp-dev as well... should add that just in case.
00:05:30LambdaCalculus37BigBambi: So gnomad2 can see the Gigabeat as well?
00:05:41LambdaCalculus37I always thought that was meant for Creative devices.
00:05:54*markun waves good night
00:06:01LambdaCalculus37markun: Good night!
00:06:11moosbonne nuit
00:06:23LambdaCalculus37Bonne nuit to all...
00:06:54markunmoos: a toi aussi :)
00:06:56*LambdaCalculus37 decides to apt-get install gnomad2
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00:07:42moosmarkun: merci :)
00:08:46LambdaCalculus37BigBambi: sendfirm is ready. Now for the bootloader. :)
00:09:00LambdaCalculus37I need mknkboot as well, right?
00:09:26BigBambiYou build the bootloader, patch nk.bin with it with mknkboot, then send the resulting file with sendfirm
00:10:01BigBambimknkboot.c is in rockbox/tools
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00:10:16BigBambiAnd maybe mknkboot
00:10:35BigBambiI think that gets built for you
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00:10:55LambdaCalculus37I see mknkboot already built in rockbox/tools.
00:11:05LambdaCalculus37Now I need the required nk.bin
00:11:39BigBambiIt is in an archive linked from the wiki I think
00:12:43BigBambiLambdaCalculus37: I can send it if you like
00:12:52LambdaCalculus37BigBambi: Sure.
00:12:58BigBambiOK, one mo
00:14:14LambdaCalculus37Ah great, error on bootloader compile:
00:14:28BigBambiAh, I didn't realise you were using the web client
00:14:55BigBambiLambdaCalculus37: PM
00:15:27moosjhMikeS was asking about people that tried to build current svn bootloader, good spot then?
00:16:15LambdaCalculus37Guess so.
00:16:28*LambdaCalculus37 pokes jhMikeS
00:16:59BigBambiYeah, I built it a little while ago, but I don't think much has changed since then
00:17:07LambdaCalculus37Actually, let me set my Gigabeat S in recovery mode instead.
00:17:24BigBambiLambdaCalculus37: I'd do it in the OF
00:17:32BigBambiIt won't wipe everything that way
00:17:40BigBambiMuch cleaner
00:17:53LambdaCalculus37BigBambi: There's nothing on here yet.
00:17:59LambdaCalculus37It's totally empty.
00:18:08moosbecause his last ADC works regarding the warnings?
00:18:14LambdaCalculus37But if you say so... :)
00:18:23BigBambiWell, just might as well
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00:20:26LambdaCalculus37It's in recovery mode now.
00:21:33BigBambiLambdaCalculus37: Did you see the PM?
00:21:53LambdaCalculus37BigBambi: Yes, getting it now.
00:22:44BigBambiI should have zipped it really
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00:23:05LambdaCalculus37Got it.
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00:25:57LambdaCalculus37So now I figure click the battery off, click hold switch, turn battery on, right?
00:26:55BigBambiHave you already copied over the rockbox.tar?
00:27:50LambdaCalculus37Ah, right... doing now.
00:29:08*LambdaCalculus37 smacks gnomad2
00:29:39BigBambiYou probably need to disconnect then connect again
00:30:48LambdaCalculus37Ah crap!
00:30:58*LambdaCalculus37 forgot to enable USB in his build
00:31:05*LambdaCalculus37 goes back to recompile
00:31:40BigBambiWhat USB?
00:31:56BigBambiIt doesn't work on the beast yet...
00:32:14moosjhMikeS is working on it...
00:32:22*LambdaCalculus37 smacks forehead
00:32:26BigBambiI know, but LambdaCalculus37 can't enable it now
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00:33:59RoC_MasterMindDo people ask about Rockbox on the Zune a lot?
00:34:11moosBigBambi: yup just for inform him...
00:34:32BigBambimoos: :)
00:34:42LambdaCalculus37What the hell?
00:35:28LambdaCalculus37Never mind... gnomad2 briefly couldn't find any devices on the bus.
00:35:30LambdaCalculus37I got it now.
00:35:37BigBambiIt does that a lot
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00:35:47*BigBambi points at MTP support in linux
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00:36:12*LambdaCalculus37 managed to copy a rockbox.tar to the root of the beast
00:36:29r0rshachwhat player ya got calc?
00:36:34BigBambicool, so turn the battery switch off then on, then turn on hold as it starts to boot
00:37:39LambdaCalculus37r0rshach: Do you reeeeeeealy want to know?
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00:38:47LambdaCalculus37BigBambi: Rockbox is successfully running on my Gigabeast!
00:39:06BigBambiNice sight isn't it :)
00:39:13mooshehe :)
00:40:57*LambdaCalculus37 goes for internal fuel sources... dinner
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00:44:10Hillshumwell so which flash target is better?
00:45:32BigBambiHillshum: The one that bears the closest resemblance to the longest piece of string
00:46:00BigBambiHillshum: It really depends on what you want, although I would take a Sansa over a Nano
00:47:11LloreanI'd give the Nano a slightly higher ranking personally
00:47:20LloreanDoesn't have the noise problem the Sansa has.
00:47:28Hillshumi have a v2, i watch the port thread every day. i might sell it and get a v1 no nano for me i like the radio
00:47:38BigBambiLlorean: True, but whether that bothers you depends on earphones
00:47:54BigBambiAnd the sansa is storage expandable, has a radio and limited recording
00:48:06LloreanBigBambi: Quite true. It more or less is a clear case of "what you need it for"
00:48:11 Quit ender` (" In politics, absurdity is not a handicap. -- Napoleon Bonaparte")
00:48:12BigBambiIndeed so
00:48:52scorche|sheven without the noise, the sansa's SQ is dreadful (imo of course)
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00:49:21BigBambiI do have to admit to not having tried a nano for more than fifteen minutes at this point
00:50:03BigBambiAnd I don't use my Sansa that much, so take what I say about SQ with a pinch of salt
00:50:31BigBambiSound Quality
00:51:29Hillshumi like the fact that card slot+replaceable battery+rockbox= long lasting expandable player
00:52:01pixelmasound wise I prefer the OndioFM (which also has a radio, expandable memory and better recording possibilities) ;) of course it doesn't play as many formats
00:52:08Hillshumplus i want tactile controls for blind usage of sansa
00:53:53Hillshumpixelma: i did ask about RB targets, the OF has to be good for me buy one without RB
00:54:11BigBambiHillshum: The Ondio FM is a rockbox target...
00:54:15BigBambiOne of the oldest
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00:54:28pixelmathe OndioFM is a Rockbox target (and was well before the Sansas...)
00:54:30Hillshumoh... but is it flash based?
00:54:31moospixelma: my ears are agred with you :)
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00:54:54BigBambiBut it uses a hardware decoder, so can play MP3 and WAV only
00:55:03BigBambiHillshum: Yes, it is flash
00:55:03boxerorangeHello everybody!
00:55:39Hillshumi want WMA plus maybe AAC and vorbis
00:56:17BigBambiThen it is a v1 e200 or c200 or a v1 nano
00:56:21pixelmaHillshum: yes, and what BigBambi said and it only has a small monochrome display. My point was only that there are other flash based Rockbox targets besides the Nano and the Sansas :P
00:56:54pixelmait's not an option if you want to play these formats of course
00:57:49amiconnBigBambi: You forgot MP2. Not very widespread in general, but people who directly record dap may find it useful
00:58:05BigBambiamiconn: Ah yes, thanks
00:58:14boxerorangeSo I'm looking into coding for Rockbox and other similar things, could somebody point me in the direction of what languages to learn, other than C?
00:58:28amiconnAnd unlike all swcodec rockboxes, the archoses don't need to resample that(dab uses 48kHz sample rate)
00:58:36BigBambiboxerorange: For rockbox, it is C and some ASM
00:58:56BigBambiamiconn: So the hwcodec outputs at native sample rate?
00:59:10Hillshumno monocrome for me (my Dad would have gotten me one for Christmas if he'd known they were still around. he didn't want me looking a pics and vids cause at his lawer job he sees to much porn and what not. but the only thing it that regards is the shuffle and that is for losers
00:59:12Hillshum )
00:59:35moosboxeorange: rockbox use plain C and some asm for few CPUs
00:59:46moosoops echo :)
01:00:09boxerorangethanks a million! Because I'm looking into iPods specifically, are they just C?
01:00:21BigBambiRockbox is written for all platforms
01:00:22DerPapstno target uses plainly c
01:00:31amiconnBigBambi: Yes. All standard rates are supported for mp2/mp3 and wav, and for the latter we could even support arbitrary sample rates with a (not very difficult) trick
01:00:36BigBambiWith device specific code for drivers etc., obviously
01:00:50BigBambiamiconn: Cool, I didn't realise that, thanks :)
01:01:06amiconn(standard rates 8, 11.025, 12, 16, 22.05, 24, 32, 44.1 and 48kHz)
01:01:41*amiconn even used his archos recorder once to produce a 96kHz s/pdif signal for testing H1x0 s/pdif recording
01:01:45BigBambiboxerorange: All targets use C + some asm, but to clarify what I said, other than hardware specific code rockbox is not target specific
01:02:14boxerorangeok, thanks!
01:02:17*BigBambi realises that may not have in fact clarified anything, and gives up
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01:02:35BigBambiboxerorange: No probs :)
01:02:38pixelmaHillshum: monochrome display doesn't mean you can't watch jpgs or video too with Rockbox (it isn't as "nice" as in colur maybe but it works)
01:02:59amiconnPlaying an 48kHz mp3 file with the mas overclocked to 200% speed (just the pitch screen set to 200%)
01:03:11BigBambihaha :)
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01:07:03stripwaxregarding ipod accessories (and on 5g/5.5g) - does rockbox detect the accessory connected via pin 10, before enabling any power to the accessory? Also, reading suggests that pin17 is unused, but I may be on crack
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01:22:19stripwaxpin10 / pin21 depending how you number the dock port pins. seems there's two references out there for ipod docks..
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01:37:37misterPhai guys
01:39:07misterPanyone around able to help? my ipod nano has rockbox on with dual boot (the thing where you turn on 'lock' during start to boot up to standard software). traditionally i've not been able to add songs to the pod without booting to the standard software, is this common?
01:39:35BigBambiYes, rockbox on the nano does not yet have a USB mode
01:39:38misterPsecond of all, booting to standard no longer allows me to load shizzle (it just says "no formatting" blah blah), and i'm pretty boned
01:39:50BigBambiI have no idea what shizzle is
01:40:01misterPbecause it thinks the drive is RAW
01:40:19BigBambimisterP: Could you retype that sentence in English?
01:40:20misterPas in, cant copy anything onto it
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01:40:48misterPas in, it doesn't recognise the nano is formatted and contains files any more
01:40:52BigBambiSo when in USM mode in the original firmware, you cannot copy anything to the drive?
01:41:05BigBambiWhat OS do you use>
01:41:18BigBambiDoes it get assigned a drive letter>
01:41:33misterP"would you like to format" when double clicking
01:41:35BigBambiCould you try running chkdsk on it?
01:43:00misterPfile system is RAW
01:43:04misterPcannot check RAW
01:43:30BigBambiI hope you have a backup for what is on there :)
01:43:37misterPpff just songs
01:43:48misterPthing is it still plays the songs fine
01:43:56misterPso it's bullshit claiming the fat is dead
01:43:57BigBambiThat is odd
01:44:34BigBambiSo it sounds like it is the USB that is the issue
01:44:45BigBambiCould you try a different cable or PC?
01:44:55misterPi could, one mo
01:45:37*DerPapst successfully broke 1dtetris and don't know why...
01:45:51DerPapstmaybe i should get some sleep and try again tomorrow :-P
01:46:27misterP1dtetris? is that intentionally stupid?
01:46:32misterPcomputer says no btw
01:46:37misterPnew cable new computer
01:46:40misterPstill xp
01:46:43misterPstill RAW
01:47:17misterPgaynano is gay
01:47:24BigBambiDon't do that please
01:48:14boxerorange"Nano doesn't have USB mode" means you can't connect it via USB with Rockbox?
01:48:26BigBambiboxerorange: Currently, yes
01:48:31BigBambimisterP: I guess you could try reformatting it or restoring it in itunes, but it is very curious that Rockbox and the OF can still read the drive
01:48:48BigBambiboxerorange: Although that is being worked on, and you can dual boot
01:49:23misterPdoes the OF/rockbox and the USB operate on the same fat?
01:50:11BigBambiThe main OF and the Rockbox bootloader exist in a separate firmware partition
01:50:30misterPonly reason i could think that one is fine and other isnt
01:50:35DerPapsthowever they read/use the same fat partition
01:50:36BigBambiThe main Rockbox lives on the main data partition, along with the music
01:51:02BigBambimisterP: I guess it is possible that the OF has become corrupted
01:51:09BigBambiHave you tried emergency disk mode?
01:51:20BigBambiThat lives in flash and is a separate USB mode
01:51:47BigBambimisterP: I believe you reset with menu + select then immediately hold menu+play for disk mode
01:51:57BigBambiBut the keys should be in the manual
01:52:22DerPapstthe keys i mean
01:52:30DerPapsterr.. no...
01:52:37misterPdidnt work first time
01:52:40misterP*does again*
01:52:55DerPapstmenu + select for reset and select + play for diskmode
01:52:59boxerorange...good thing my friend ended up /not/ putting it on his nano
01:53:02BigBambiDerPapst: OK, cheers
01:53:09BigBambiboxerorange: Why?
01:53:19*BigBambi doesn't actually own an iPod
01:53:38boxerorangeNo USB mode. He doesn't have FireWire and would be annoyed having to switch
01:53:57BigBambiboxerorange: Rockbox will automatically reboot to disk mode on cable insert
01:54:05BigBambiAnd it dual boots anyway
01:54:06DerPapstwhat has firewire to do with that?
01:54:08misterPdo you mean reset first, then hold sel+play on bootup?
01:54:13BigBambimisterP: yes
01:54:13misterPbecause no joy with that
01:54:15boxerorangeoh, I see. cool.
01:54:24BigBambimisterP: The timing can be fiddly
01:54:34misterPgot it :D
01:55:19misterP"disk is not formatted"
01:55:21misterP:( boo
01:55:46misterPwhat's best first, itunes recover or format?
01:55:52misterPi dont care about my songs
01:55:58BigBambiDon't know to be honest
01:56:16misterPkk i'll do itunes thang first
01:56:16boxerorangeif you'd like to sync/use iTunes I'd do recover, otherwise just format
01:56:43misterPmeh itunes not even installed
01:56:51BigBambimisterP: If itunes restore doesn't work I doubt formatting will
01:56:59misterPcba i'll just format
01:57:17BigBambiYou might want to ask on an Apple forum too, as this isn't actually a Rockbox issue
01:57:18misterPdo i risk bricking it by formatting first?
01:57:36DerPapstuPods are almost unbrickable
01:57:40DerPapstiPods even
01:58:10DerPapstif you see a white progress bar below a silver apple do not reset the iPod though
01:58:15DerPapstthat will brick it ;-)
01:58:24misterPyou said that as i clicked format
01:58:47BigBambimisterP: You will only see that if itunes is reflashing it
01:59:36misterPthe OF will still be on there after format right? so now i just need to reinstall rockbox
01:59:53BigBambiIf USB works again
01:59:55misterPokie should be all good now, it recognises the new format
02:00:02misterPcheers for your help guys
02:00:07BigBambino worries
02:00:21BigBambioriginal firmware
02:00:31boxerorangeI was close...thought it was official
02:00:39BigBambicould be I suppose
02:01:25misterPas a thanks, treat yourself to some cool music -
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02:07:15moosGood night guys
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02:07:26*BigBambi should go to bed too
02:07:31BigBambinight all
02:07:45DerPapstnight BigBambi
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02:08:12DerPapstNight all :-)
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02:10:17webguest80hi, is there a specialist about e200tool and pre-boot mode ? we finish with a "*DANGER*, player might not be bootable now! Please retry!"
02:10:44webguest80actions and logs are here :
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02:11:54webguest80Three month that we try to save his sansa :/
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02:16:53misterPhey again
02:16:55misterPstill here?
02:17:04boxerorangeI'm here.
02:17:45misterPdunno if you're interested, but it seems to be able to access the USB on rockbox now..
02:18:16misterPjust that bigbambi was saying it couldnt
02:18:31BigBambiIt can't
02:18:42BigBambiIt automatically reboots to emergency disk mode
02:18:49BigBambiWhich is apple code
02:18:49boxerorangeit sounded like he was saying that it couldn't natively, but would detect being pugged in...
02:18:51misterPdidnt do that before
02:18:55boxerorangeand you beat me to it
02:19:08BigBambimisterP: It was broken for a bit, so if you have just updated...
02:19:19misterPawesome, saves me having to reboot every time
02:19:54*BigBambi really goes to bed now
02:19:55misterPanyway, that's all i wanted to say, later
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02:23:05webguest72Hi Guys....just a quick question if possible.....I was wondering if I need to worry about the battery on my gigabeat....Ive had it for over three years now with no sign of battery decay.....always says I have 13hrs47min when fully this normal....does the battery life indicator on rockbox change when the battery is degrading???? please help....thanks chris
02:23:28RoC_MasterMindhey hey! I threw my ipod 4g at the ground a couple times while it click of death resetting and was at that "sad folder", and now it's working and I was able to restore the apple firmware and now rockbox and I have no read errors so far!
02:25:44misterPi'm pretty sure their "remaining time" number is generated from generic figures for usage of your ipod and corresponding battery life
02:26:19misterPtherefore it won't take into account the lower effectiveness of older batteries
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02:26:49webguest72ohhhh....thanks....i thought it was too good to be true
02:27:21misterPwait a sec though
02:27:25misterPjust researching on their forums
02:27:31webguest72can I take my own measure of the time and set that as the time left indicator
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02:29:42misterPstill looking!
02:29:46misterPi havent left you
02:34:39misterPnot much use to be found
02:35:31misterPok it calculates battery remaining based on voltage i'm thinking
02:35:42misterPso yeah time remaining is standard
02:36:36misterPstill doesnt help :P
02:37:42webguest72ahhh.....thanks......can I change the voltage setting so it will think the time remaining is less....thinking I could time a full discharge and set that as the time remaining....any ideas
02:38:06misterPif you go to settings
02:38:20misterPthen general settings
02:38:26misterPthen system
02:38:34misterPthen battery
02:38:59misterPallows you to change the battery capacity in mAh
02:39:20webguest72I really appreciate the time
02:39:38webguest72I mean your time....parden the pun
02:40:16webguest72thanks again
02:40:42misterPdo you know how to find mAh?
02:40:45misterPcos i'm just finding it for you..
02:41:46misterPcos there's a plugin you can use to generate a neat curve.
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02:46:35webguest72nahh.....Im here and I dont know how to find my mAh
02:46:53webguest72which plugin????
02:47:29webguest72is that battery bench
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02:48:56LloreanBagder: Present?
02:49:26boxerorangehow can I download very, very old builds of Firmware?
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02:50:05venoxhey there. I'm having crashes on my iPod nano.
02:50:15venox"Data abort at 00008630"
02:50:22boxerorangeFirst Gen?
02:50:49boxerorangeWhat are you trying to do?
02:50:55venoxwhile playing music
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02:51:10boxerorangeis happens randomly? or when you first pick a song?
02:51:37cool_walking_boxerorange: I don't think you can download very very old builds. You'll have to grab the old source from SVN and build it yourself.
02:51:49venoxit started since I've updated rockbox today
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02:52:05boxerorangeoh fun...
02:52:09venox(I was running rockbox without updating for about a month)
02:52:26boxerorangedid you *just* update it?
02:52:39cool_walking_boxerorange: Why do you want a very very old build?
02:53:08boxerorangeI'd like to have the first build *ever* for 5th Gen iPod because I'd like to look at the source
02:53:20venoxupdated and changed the rockbox theme to the new default (cabbiev2)
02:53:27cool_walking_boxerorange: well then you'd need the source anyway...
02:55:17boxerorangevenox: my best guess it that you should try and update to the current firmware
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02:55:44boxerorangewhere could I get the source?
02:56:26cool_walking_do you know how to use SVN?
02:56:50boxerorangeI don't even know what that is, actually.
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02:57:42cool_walking_Okay, then read
02:59:01webguest32Hi all....from the batteryBenchmark plugin, was wondering how to calculate the mAh from the voltage?????
02:59:07webguest32please help
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03:00:46boxerorangeI'm guessing I should download Subversion?
03:01:04cool_walking_It's included in Cygwin/VMware/etc instructions
03:01:34cool_walking_But not the linux ones.. are you on Linux?
03:01:41boxerorangeVista :(
03:02:36cool_walking_Yeah then just pick one of Cygwin, coLinux or VMware, and follow the respective link under "Setup Your Environment"
03:02:54boxerorangeit seems to me that most of the commands/directions/etc are all Linux-based.
03:03:13boxerorangeShould I put linux on my computer or is Cygwin enough?
03:03:30cool_walking_Yeah, Cygwin, coLinux and WMware all give you a Linux or Linux-like environment
03:03:48cool_walking_You don't have to use pure Linux, Cygwin/etc is fine
03:04:43boxerorangeok. I was reading about dumping drives and tried some commands in the command prompt with no success :/ then I realized I was dumb
03:05:20cool_walking_Don't worry, you're not the first
03:06:39cool_walking_That "dd if=blah of=blah" stuff won't work in Cygwin/etc though. That *does* need real Linux.
03:07:05boxerorangeany disto is fine though?
03:07:05cool_walking_or Mac OS X or BSD
03:07:33boxerorangebecause I might grab the crappy computer in my room and split the HD because I don't use it for anything else
03:08:02cool_walking_... provided you've got some easy way of installing packages, like Debian
03:08:21boxerorangeI've got a router with one more free port
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03:08:46cool_walking_I just mean if you're new to Linux, just choose something Debian-based so you can install stuff easily.
03:09:35cool_walking_err.. but this is going off-topic
03:10:44boxerorangeI'd probably just try Ubuntu, since I already know it fairly well
03:11:24cool_walking_Ubuntu's fine
03:11:35cool_walking_That's what I'm using
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03:18:38boxerorangeok, downloading ubuntu now...will probably not be able to install/move computer until tomorrow
03:20:06boxerorangebut I think I'm going to get VMware and attempt a dump of my iPod
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03:22:41cool_walking_I don't think that will work
03:22:52cool_walking_I'm not sure though
03:23:14cool_walking_Because VMware is running inside Windows, it might not have the direct access to the iPod disk that the dd command needs
03:23:27javamanisnt there a mirror hosted by rockbox for the cygwin installation?
03:23:57javamani tryed but no work
03:24:16boxerorangehm, that could be
03:24:34javamannvm i found it in wiki
03:25:16n17ikhit will work, if you're just making an image of the hdd
03:25:24n17ikhbecause of vmware's usb passthrough
03:25:36n17ikhit'll be slow though, since vmware is just usb 1.1
03:25:45n17ikhexcept in the newest version
03:25:55n17ikhbut why not just get dd for windows?
03:27:53javamanis gcc 3.4.4-3 the latest?
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03:28:47boxerorangewhere could I get it?
03:29:27boxerorangeinteresting. I just found where Phase puts the included songs on my iPod...
03:30:06cool_walking_ has dd
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03:31:46boxerorangethe download on that page doesn't work :/
03:32:52cool_walking_ah, check
03:34:09cool_walking_That broken link has been there for ages.. seems to have happened when the project moved to sourceforge.
03:35:15boxerorangeheh, you can change all of the sprites for pac-man too :D
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03:51:33boxerorangedo you think it would be a very good idea to get familiar with Rockbox and how it works before attempting to make a new port?
03:52:09javamando you have any coding experience??
03:52:42boxerorangenone, sadly
03:53:35scorche|shwell, you are going to need to, yeah...
03:54:13boxerorangethe even worse news is that I can't start for another month
03:54:26boxerorangeI don't have the time between work and school to do this :(
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04:22:06fishermanDoes rockbox have any usb communication support? :s
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04:23:18fishermanlink to where i could find some info on it ? :D
04:23:40JdGordon|unithe manual.... but depends what you want to do and which target you want to do it on
04:24:06fishermanipod 5.5g :C
04:24:57JdGordon|uniah, then no. you need to compile your own build to use usb
04:26:04fishermandoes it support usb and it just isn't included by default? or would i have to write usb support for it?
04:26:37javama1its there but not included by default
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04:27:20fishermanHow would i go about doing this?
04:27:33javamanwhat os are you on
04:27:48*Llorean would like to point out that it's not included because it's not entirely done yet.
04:27:56fishermanI'm on windows but i'm probably going to use my debian server to compile.
04:28:06fishermanLlorean: i'm up for some freaky experiances.
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04:52:56NavonodI just bought a new Creative Zen 2GB.... does Rockbox work with it?
04:55:35JdGordon|uninot yet
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04:56:06Navonodare there plans for it in the near future?
04:56:28krazykitnothing is planned; ports are done by interested owners.
04:56:46NavonodI;m interested, but no idea where to start
04:57:07krazykitstart with the NewPorts wiki page and the creative zen thread in the New Ports forum, I'd say.
04:57:54krazykitsorry, the NewPort wiki page
04:59:28javamanhelloworld.c isnt in svn anymore?
05:00:13javamannvm im a noob was looking in my build folder
05:00:22Navonodwhat is involved in making a port?
05:01:37krazykitNavonod, figuring out the hardware, figuring out how to get your own code to run, writing drivers. the NewPort page, as I recall, should list it pretty well
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07:12:49vedeee i wouldnt call it coding tool, rather decoding :D
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07:31:39homieloweShould the gigabeat S bootloader compile straight for a of arm-elf-gcc or do I need a patch?
07:32:05toffe82should be direct
07:32:31homielowetoffe82: my compiler must be outdated then, rebuilding
07:33:17toffe82I installer it a few weeks ago on xubuntu and compile with no problem
07:35:05toffe82I used the script to install it
07:35:33toffe82you need build essential I think
07:36:18homielowetoffe82: nm fixed
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07:52:45Lloreanpondlife: I've created a new image for the forums to fix the problem, so you should be able to go back to checkbox mode
07:53:00pondlifeThanks, will do.
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08:24:20mrkikoHi all!
08:24:32mrkikoCan someone tell me how well the new playback & buffering implementation work?
08:24:45mrkikoI would like to try it but now I can't...
08:24:51mrkikoI will probably tomorrow... or later...
08:28:41LloreanWhat exactly are you asking?
08:29:31mrkikoI was asking an opinion from someone regarding how well the new buffering & playback implementation seems to work. Just an opinion...
08:30:48LloreanBut I mean, how well in what way? It improves things, and that's why it was committed as the commit notice says..
08:31:14mrkikoWell in the sense of performance: how faster will be the skipping process...
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09:04:20*LinusN spots FS #8894 and cheers
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09:19:18*amiconn opens FS #8894, says 'hmm' and closes it again
09:19:33JdGordonits that good is it? :p
09:19:38amiconnLinusN: That reminds me though - is there a reason why tracker email notification doesn't work?
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09:20:23LinusNit doesn't?
09:21:40pondlifeWoirks for me...
09:25:32pondlifeWhere does dsp.c sit with regards to voice?
09:25:32LinusNi am flooded with tracker emails
09:25:42pondlifeMe too
09:26:17LinusNhowever, that's because i subscribe to the tracker mailing list
09:26:38LinusNi wouldn't know if the regular email notification was broken
09:26:42amiconnLinusN: Well, I chose to be notified for the lcd remote task, but didn't receive a single mail from the tracker even though there were several comments (which I didn't notice for several days because I got no single mail)
09:27:03pondlifeamiconn: Are you subscribed to the ML?
09:27:12pondlifeI am, but with mail turned off.
09:27:36amiconnIt used to work some time ago
09:27:41LinusNamiconn: i'll let björn take a look at that
09:28:52pondlifeIt would be good to get FS #8894 committed soon-ish; who's a dsp.c expert who could check it over?
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09:29:57amiconnJdGordon: No, it's the type 'yet another feature that might be technically interesting but I have no use for'
09:30:25pondlifeVery useful for podcasts and audio books, I'd think.
09:31:29jhMikeSpoindlife: it changes RESAMPLE_BUF_COUNT to a huge value which is bad (might not even compile on cf).
09:31:53amiconnpondlife: Probably, but that's stuff im I'm not interested in.
09:31:54jhMikeShmm, I guess it does
09:32:11pondlifeI'm just about to try on H300, I'll let you know....
09:32:23pondlifeNot good for low latency though?
09:32:51*amiconn prefers real books over audio books, after trying some of the latter
09:33:19B4gderI prefer audio books when driving ;-)
09:33:42pondlifeJust like voice support...!
09:35:23amiconnNah, imho it's different
09:35:51pondlifeHmm, I get a warning when compiling scramble.c - "scramble.c:128: warning: 'slen' might be used uninitialized in this function". Do we not pick those up as yellow?
09:35:51amiconnAudio books require continuous attention (or pausing/unpausing all the time)
09:36:10B4gderpondlife: we should!
09:36:34B4gderwhat gcc?
09:36:54pondlife"gcc version 3.4.4 (cygming special, gdc 0.12, using dmd 0.125)"
09:37:10B4gderwe don't clean the tools
09:37:21B4gderso they're not rebuilt every build!
09:37:41pondlifeHmm, is that why the builds are so fast? :)
09:37:41B4gder"make[1]: `scramble' is up to date. " in the build logs
09:38:04pondlifeThat's fair enough - it'll pick up updates.
09:38:12pondlifeSo we had a one-off yellow..?
09:38:31B4gderI guess, but I can't recall having seen that one
09:38:48B4gderI thought I fixed all the warnings when I did that commit work
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09:40:09pondlifeHopefully I just got rid of the gappy build table too... or pushed the gap to the bottom, at least.
09:40:28pondlifeAh, no... it extended further (for now).
09:41:07jhMikeSpondlife: it's also got a construct in dsp_process I'm not crazy about - function pointer is a better choice
09:41:20B4gderwe need to get rid of the gap to stop me from thinking I need to do something about it ;-)
09:41:38pondlifeB4gder: I'm sure I can find something in my pile-o-patches... :)
09:46:37pondlifeHmm, how about a tagnavi.config tweak to make it consistently use plural forms? Database > Album vs. Database > A to Z... > Albums has annoyed me for a while now.
09:46:54pondlifeThe ... is a bit annoying too.
09:47:00B4gderif we wanted the tools to rebuild at every commit, we'd need to change them to get built in the build dir too
09:47:09B4gderand I don't think we're ready for that
09:47:36pondlifeWooh, no (obvious) gap
09:52:52*jhMikeS doesn't like what that patch does to the DSP
10:03:19pondlifeIt works fine on H300 though
10:03:25pondlifePity it's mono only...
10:04:06jhMikeSMy main issue is the massive buffers and their removal from IRAM.
10:05:06pondlife150% speed + 66.6% pitch is quite fun.
10:05:34pondlifeNot sure I'd want to listen to it like this often though
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11:09:20B4gdercommon mistake... :-P
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11:36:46B4gderthe noise level on the mentor list is... high
11:36:54B4gdergsoc mentor that is
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11:44:04gevaertsWhat are you complaining about ? There were at least three useful mails on it
11:45:26*gevaerts doesn't mention the 800+ less useful mails
11:46:10dionoeayou should just read it on the google groups web application ... that way you don't get the spam in your inbox
11:47:02gevaertsIt doesn't reach my inbox, it goes straight to the gsoc mailbox
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11:53:31JdGordonis in button.h not a good idea? (or more.. anoying checks which probably arnt going to be needed? making the file a bit iritating to read?)
11:55:26jhMikeSgevaerts: do you know which controller registers have to be set up for device mode and what values they should have? the module is in a default state on S. (I did get to a "USB device not recognized" point so far).
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11:56:55gevaertsjhMikeS: usb_drv_init() should handle that part
12:00:16gevaertsjhMikeS: and that's called (indirectly) from usb.c, via usb_enable() and usb_core_init(). Do you already have a working usb_detect() ? If not, maybe just make one that always returns USB_INSERTED
12:00:26jhMikeSgevaerts: of course. I know it at least has to be explicitely switched to ULPI so I know the OF does not set up the controller for us. I thought you might be know enough to initialize it from scratch.
12:01:28gevaertsjhMikeS: I don't see anything missing in usb_drv_init()
12:03:58jhMikeSThe switch to ULPI mode is missing for one. (it is not by default)
12:04:28gevaertsYes, but apart from that
12:05:51gevaertsjhMikeS: is PTW in PORTSC1 set correctly ?
12:08:57jhMikeSnot sure
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12:09:27gevaertsI think it must be 0 (8-bit)
12:10:14gevaertsAt least if I understood the block diagram correctly
12:12:56*jhMikeS will dump the reg contents again
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12:17:06jhMikeSthe default values is CC000004
12:17:57*gevaerts checks what that means
12:19:31preglowwow, a time stretcher
12:20:54jhMikeSthe 8-bit interface is correct for the ISP1504 btw
12:21:12gevaertsI think only PTS should be changed then
12:21:48jhMikeSWhat setting - 10 = ULPI?
12:22:02gevaertsI would think so, yes
12:24:09jhMikeSISP1504 says it's "UTMI+". I guess I'll try that too.
12:25:00markunpreglow: where?
12:25:59gevaertsjhMikeS: what does REG_HWGENERAL contain ?
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12:26:26preglowmarkun: 8894
12:27:04*jhMikeS will check that
12:27:12gevaertsjhMikeS: at some point I think you'll also have to read REG_HWDEVICE to find out how many endpoints it supports.
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12:31:14preglowhah, it works great
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12:33:42markuntried it on speech?
12:33:56preglowsounds as i'd expect
12:34:10jhMikeSgevaerts: HWGENERAL = 0x000005c5, HWDEVICE = 0x00000011
12:34:31preglowyou get comb artifacs, but that's to be expected from a time stretcher for our use
12:35:09preglowit'd primarily be a speech thing, it does some weird things to some music
12:35:18preglowbecause of the combing artifacts, i'd wager
12:35:28jhMikeSUsing ULPI it freezes, using UTMI/UTMI+ it never enters the usb screen. :\
12:36:39preglowyeah, it seriously messes up some frequencies
12:37:35pondlifepreglow: It's pretty good though.
12:37:45preglowyeah, decent enough
12:37:48pondlifeYou able to understand what it does?
12:38:00preglowlooking at it afterwards, but if it's wsola, i think i do anyway
12:38:13pondlifeI think I might need quite a lot of reading to get there :/
12:38:18preglownah, it's a simple scheme
12:38:30*pondlife is simple too
12:38:39preglowyou just overlap and add segments of the audio based on an auto-correlation analysis or something like it
12:39:02pondlifeYou lost me at about "segments" ;)
12:39:13preglowit just isolates certain parts of the audio
12:40:07pondlifeSo, it needs to use a dedicated buffer for processing, and perhaps some optimisation, before it could be committed?
12:40:16preglowi'll have a look at it later and know
12:40:27preglowbut yeah, it'll have to stop using the resampler buffer
12:40:40preglowand i wonder if we should unify this and the old pitch changer
12:40:50preglowperhaps make it a setting if you want this or that behaviour
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12:40:59pondlifeI think so. Although it'll need an option to persist the setting or not.
12:41:07preglowsure, not a problem
12:41:23pondlifeOne thought I had earlier; how does dsp.c interact with voice?
12:41:25preglowi think it should persist, really
12:41:36preglowi see no reason for anything else
12:41:38pondlifeI wouldn't mind, but some people would
12:41:53preglowpondlife: interact as in how? voice passes through it like any audio
12:42:06pondlifeThat's a pity, but unavoidable I guess
12:42:20preglowno, we can fix that
12:42:25preglowthere are separate states
12:42:26pondlifeWe'd don't want to timestretch voice
12:42:38preglowjhMikeS has done a good job of that
12:42:46pondlifeI think of dsp as a mixer's channel strip, is that reasonable?
12:42:48preglowtime stretching piano is such a bitch :P
12:42:48pondlifei.e. dsp.c
12:42:49jhMikeSscrewing it up?
12:43:05preglowpondlife: as of now that is a wee bit unreasonable, yes
12:43:15pondlifeI mean, as a model to aim for...
12:43:17LinusNthere is no point at all in stretching the voice
12:43:18preglowbut we'd like it to be that way some day
12:43:24*gevaerts is confused
12:43:25pondlifeMy expectations are realistic.
12:43:32preglowLinusN: nah, people tend to speed up voice snippets manually anwyay
12:43:35preglowanyway too!
12:44:12pondlifeThe voice quality needs all the help it can get, not get butchered :)
12:44:13gevaertsjhMikeS: those values don't seem to make sense...
12:44:22LinusNthe "voice" he is referring to in the flyspray task is audiobooks
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12:44:39jhMikeSgevaerts: that's what they are though
12:44:53gevaertsjhMikeS: Are you compiling with USE_HIGH_SPEED ? that might change some behaviour
12:45:01JdGordonarg.. crap...
12:45:05JdGordonyes I'm fixing it...
12:45:15pondlifeJdGordon: I knew you weren't colourblind :)
12:45:45JdGordonstupid plugins are being compiled :'(
12:46:01gevaertsHWDEVICE seems to indicate that there are 8 endpoints (which is great. PP only has 3)
12:47:37preglowthis thing does do some 64 bit maths, and that can be optimized
12:47:57jhMikeSULPI/ULPI+ must be correct though because a wrong setting or the trasnceiver not CS'ed causing a hard lock
12:48:25gevaertsI agree there
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12:48:56jhMikeSnow it connects (from the rb viewpoint) but never enters the screen and for some reason...I'm also not getting logf messages :\
12:49:26jhMikeSwhich seems to just be something werid with logf itself here
12:49:57gevaertsNo usb screen means that either USB_STORAGE is not defined in usb_core.h (if you didn't change that, it is defined), or no control request comes in from the host
12:51:52*DerPapst seems to have finished his 2nd gsoc test app :-P
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12:53:47JdGordonwe have way too many plugins :p
12:54:40*gevaerts gets ready to play
12:54:52DerPapstrockbox is all about games ;-) USB_STORAGE define :p
12:56:17gevaertsNot really a problem, but then you won't get the usb screen
12:56:29gevaertsAre you on linux ?
12:56:59jhMikeSI try it with that enabled though and see what happens
12:57:47gevaertson windows I don't know where to look for information on how far it gets
13:02:52jhMikeSwhat sort of tool should I try to track down?
13:04:02gevaertsI'm not sure. there are some software tracers, but I don't know how well they work before you have seen anything
13:04:29*gevaerts is spoiled by having access to hardware tracrs
13:05:06gevaertsbut if you get logf working, the logf output from usb_core.c should be interesting
13:05:34*jhMikeS can't imagine what was done here that it isn't working :\
13:05:38*JdGordon hopes the d2 people dont decide to kill him :p
13:06:39*pondlife encourages the d2 people :p
13:07:00*gevaerts hands out pitchforks and flaming torches
13:07:08pondlifeI've already had the Swedish hitman go for me.
13:07:31pondlifeAnd for lesser crimes than a bit of red, I should add :)
13:07:48B4gderdid he force you to listen to ABBA for a whole day?
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13:08:05pondlifeB4gder: Sadly not
13:08:22B4gderwe need better trained hitmen!
13:08:31aliaskjhMikeS: If you want me to test some stuff under linux feel free to fire a patch off to me.
13:08:32*pondlife hopes he gets to do a "Ladies and Gentleman" post one day :)
13:08:41gevaertsOh, that sort of hit
13:09:54jhMikeSaliask - sure thing
13:10:41jhMikeSNot defining HAVE_USB_CHARGING should have no ill effect right?
13:10:58gevaertsnot as far as I know
13:11:07jhMikeS*HAVE_USB_POWER of course
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13:12:30jhMikeSgevaerts: is there any udelay stuff in there (it won't work here)
13:12:44jhMikeSI made the reset a sleep but that's all
13:14:50gevaertsthere is an udelay in usb_init_device()
13:15:11gevaertsDoes current_tick work ?
13:15:13jhMikeSI made that sleep(HZ/20) already
13:17:01gevaertsThere's one more udelay, but that should never be reached (usb_drv_set_test_mode())
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13:19:05BigBambijhMikeS: Also avaliable for linux testing etc. if needed :)">
13:20:00BigBambion it!
13:22:03BigBambioops, forgot svn up
13:22:11BigBambijhMikeS: What output would you like?
13:22:35gevaertsBigBambi: dmesg output after pluging in would be useful
13:23:56BigBambigevaerts, jhMikeS:
13:23:59jhMikeSBigBambi: ask gevaerts what output is most useful. I don't even know what to look for.
13:24:46jhMikeSbtw, MrH originally had udelays in the some timeout code which were replaced with counts. Those will definitely execute too quickly here.
13:24:58gevaertsBigBambi: can you try with USE_HIGH_SPEED ?
13:25:06BigBambigevaerts: Sure, one mo
13:26:29gevaertsjhMikeS: the current code loops until current_ticks has increased enough
13:26:59jhMikeSit's called in thread context? current_tick won't change if you're already in a handler.
13:27:24aliaskgevaerts: I'm getting "hub 1-0:1.0: Cannot enable port 3. Maybe the USB cable is bad?" - any ideas?
13:27:30gevaertsthe usb interrupt handlr doesn't wait at all
13:27:44gevaertsaliask: can you try without a hub ?
13:28:01aliaskIt's plugged straight into the motherboard.
13:28:13gevaertsthen maybe with USE_HIGH_SPEED ?
13:28:38aliaskin config-gigabeat-s.h?
13:29:21gevaertsthat's a good place to put it, yes
13:29:40BigBambiThat is with USE_HIGH_SPEED
13:29:51*jhMikeS should check the usb pll settings in the SoC too
13:30:32jhMikeSwhat is error -71?
13:30:55gevaertsI _think_ timeout. Let me check
13:31:16BigBambiquick reboot, one mo
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13:32:53gevaertsprotocol error
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13:33:47gevaertsIt basically means that the get_descriptor control request failed
13:34:20jhMikeSare just two buffers used with UNCACHED_ADDR?
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13:35:34BigBambiDamn thing decided it needed to check my disks on start up
13:35:49gevaertsyes and no. response_data and whatever descriptor is sent
13:35:59gevaertsIt's in only two places though
13:36:40jhMikeStd_array and qh_array?
13:36:52*gevaerts forgot about those
13:38:02gevaertsYes, in usb-drv-pp502x.c those are the only two uncached ones. You might try putting them in IRAM if you have some available
13:39:58*jhMikeS thinks he messed something up here
13:40:16pondlifeNice little bugette - when playback ends naturally, if you press PLAY again, you get a second chance to hear the last three seconds of the last track again.
13:40:38pondlifeThat'll be the index synchronising problem again, I guess.
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13:41:50pondlife Nico_P: Hi, I just noticed a tiny bug... check the logs?
13:42:13pondlifeReaally tiny, honest.
13:42:58Nico_Ppondlife: oh yes, amiconn noticed it too
13:43:07Nico_PI know why it occurs
13:43:10pondlifeWhat's surprising is it won't do it a second time
13:43:37pondlifeResume position is saved before the index is increased?
13:43:47Nico_PI need to refresh my memory, just a sec
13:44:22pondlifeI guess it'lll be fixed if the playlist index only increases at WPS transition.
13:46:43Nico_Ppondlife: it's caused by playback.c:1982
13:47:34pondlifeheh, I could have guessed it would be audio_check_new_track() without even looking
13:48:30Nico_Pbecause of that line, after the last track skip, playlist_end is false, which means audio_stop_playback will save resume info for a track instead of NULL
13:48:52Nico_Pthe fix would be to remove that line, but there might be side effects on a codec change
13:49:00Nico_PI still need to test
13:49:26pondlifeplaylist_end should be removed really
13:49:30Nico_PI agree
13:49:49pondlifeIt's only tested in the one place.
13:49:51Nico_Pwith the new "filling" state var, I was on the verge of removing it
13:50:15Nico_Pbut I didn't fully understand it, so I decided to keep it to avoid adding new bugs
13:50:23Nico_PI think I understand it much better now
13:50:28pondlifeIsn't filling related to the buffering side, not the playback side?
13:50:40Nico_Pplaylist_end is too
13:51:00Nico_Pit's set to true when the last track of the playlist is buffered
13:51:34pondlifeIt's only checked in audio_stop_playback()
13:52:00Nico_PI think it's strictly equivalent to filling == STATE_FINISHED
13:52:22pondlifeAh, ok - so that test is stopping the codec when there's no more data?
13:53:02Nico_Pit's also supposed to have id3 == NULL when playlist_end is true
13:53:17pondlifeThat should all come out in the wash
13:53:24Nico_PI hope so
13:53:43jhMikeSgevaerts: if it gets that far it means the ISR would have to be functioning?
13:54:01Nico_PI want to fix the problem in audio_current_track for back skipping, and then go back to rewriting audio_check_new_track
13:54:18Nico_Pbut I have less time for rockbox these days
13:54:30gevaertsjhMikeS: not necessarily. It means that there is an electrical connection,
13:54:41pondlifeNico_P: It happens to us all :)
13:55:21Nico_PI saw MarcGuay also reported a bug with my latest changes
13:55:36gevaertsbut I'm a bit worried at seeing the "full speed" there. It might mean the the phy (i.e. the isp1504) is not initialized properly
13:56:40pondlifeNico_P: Yes, but I can't repro that.. FLAC only I guess?
13:56:46*pondlife has no FLACs
13:57:01Nico_PI think I have some of amiconn's left on the video
13:58:30Nico_Phmm yeah I got it to start skipping all tracks one by one
13:58:39jhMikeSgevaerts: It tries high speed. I thought the protocol itself dealt with the registers on that IC. In fact it says not to write them throught the ULPI window
13:59:20pondlifeNico_P: Maybe your ogg fix borked FLAC?
13:59:22gevaertsjhMikeS: it shouldn't be needed, but for some unknown reason high speed doesn't work at all
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14:01:12Nico_Ppondlife: I think it's more likely to be with the buffering rework
14:01:30Nico_PI had similar problems before but I thought I had fixed them... shouldn't be too hard to find though
14:01:33pondlifeProbably, I was being hopeful
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14:01:52pondlifeIt's working fine for MP3s here so please don't revert it all :)
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14:17:39jhMikeSI actually get far enough that it fires an OTG interrupt if using ULPI
14:17:50jhMikeSbut then it freezes
14:18:24gevaertsCan you see what sort of interrupt (in REG_USBINTR) ?
14:19:32jhMikeSwill check that
14:20:04jhMikeSit tries to enter the USB screen and freezes at that point
14:20:31jhMikeSno graphic (maybe just bad address access)
14:20:48gevaertsIf it tries to enter the USB screen, that means it got a correct packet from the host
14:21:39*jhMikeS will provide another patch to log
14:22:41gevaertsREG_USBSTS. Sorry
14:22:59*gevaerts is using most of his brain elsewhere
14:23:33pondlifeNico_P: I got rid of playlist_end completely and it seems to still work.. have tried mp3/ogg only though"> <= will lock the player :)
14:23:59BigBambijhMikeS: On it
14:24:36BigBambijhMikeS: revert the previous first?
14:24:38Nico_Ppondlife: there might be a few edge cases to check
14:24:44jhMikeSBigBambi: yes
14:24:45pondlifeI'm sure there are...
14:24:48jhMikeSIt might just be some mem access miscellany
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14:24:52BigBambigevaerts, jhMikeS With or without high speed?
14:25:05jhMikeSbeh try high speed :)
14:25:08pondlifeNico_P: Also, I'm only on a sim
14:25:08gevaertsCan you do both ?
14:25:18michael1486Does anyone know who works/worked on rockboy?
14:25:34B4gdermichael1486: nobody is
14:25:35Nico_PjhMikeS: "no graphic" is probably the same problem as with icons and bitmaps in plugins
14:26:04B4gderyes really
14:26:12B4gderit's been at this state for a long time by now
14:26:36pondlifemichael1486: Perhaps you would like to take it on?
14:26:57B4gderwe have a vacancy in the rockboy department!
14:27:00michael1486i dont know much about it but i could try....
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14:28:01GodEaterdidn't kkburjun work on rockboy ?
14:28:48B4gderhe did
14:28:49BigBambijhMikeS, gevaerts: With HIGH_SPEED: - the player didn't lock up though
14:28:54B4gderand midgey did some too apparently
14:29:34B4gder14 months since the last somewhat bigger change
14:29:39michael1486how hard is it to make a program work with greyscale?
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14:30:21B4gdermichael1486: that's a very general question that can only get a very general answer
14:30:43B4gder"a program" being rockboy you mean?
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14:31:44PaulJamSomeone can close FS #7318
14:31:45jhMikeSBigBambi: did the screen switch?
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14:31:52pondlifeNico_P: Shall I pop a patch up, or commit, or neither...
14:32:01BigBambijhMikeS: No
14:32:13michael1486yes. would it be hard to take a greyscale module and put it in rockboy?
14:32:22Nico_Ppondlife: I'd like to see the patch... does it fix the stop issue too?
14:32:27jhMikeSIt won't draw the transparent bitmaps though but the menu should disappear (does here)
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14:32:55BigBambigevaerts, jhMikeS And without HIGH_SPEED: (still screen change/lockup)
14:33:02B4gdermichael1486: I believe it already works on some greyscale targets
14:33:14BigBambijhMikeS: I'll try a full revert and repatch to make sure
14:33:15pondlifeAll that does is remove playlist_end, literally
14:33:32pondlifeI've tried a playlist with ogg + mp3 + wma and all seemed fine (on sim)
14:33:45michael1486i mean for ipod....
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14:34:01Nico_Ppondlife: yeah, I don't see why it wouldn't be fine
14:34:09*jhMikeS should probably fix the transparent bitmaps now
14:34:10Nico_Ppondlife: have you tried stopping manually?
14:34:27PaulJammichael1486: which ipod?
14:34:34pondlifeNot tried auto-dir change yet....
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14:35:03pondlifeNor repeat
14:35:13gevaertsBigBambi: are the first 4 lines from an OF connection ?
14:35:36PaulJammichael1486: afaik the problem with the mini is, that noone implemented downscaling for screenresolution.
14:35:47BigBambigevaerts: Ah yes, might be
14:35:52Nico_Ppondlife: I had done the same change, and like you didn't see any problems. I guess you could commit
14:36:09pondlifeRepeat works, I'll just try auto dir change.
14:36:10BigBambiI forgot I reconnected inbetween and just copied from the end of the previous
14:36:13pondlifeAny other cases?
14:36:25Nico_Pmanual dir change, but I don't see why that would break
14:36:30michael1486couldent i take the greyscale module form mpeg player?
14:36:47pondlifeNico_P: You mean skip dir? That's fine
14:36:54gevaertsBigBambi: are you using USE_HIGH_SPEED correctly ?
14:37:12Nico_Ppondlife: yeah, that's what I meant... I say commit then :)
14:37:25BigBambigevaerts: I put a #define USE_HIGH_SPEED in firmware/export/config-gigabeat-s.h
14:37:33gevaertsok. that should be fine
14:37:44*Nico_P goes to shower and will try to fix FS #8893 after that
14:37:48*gevaerts doesn't understand why it still always connects at full speed
14:38:01BigBambigevaerts: I'll try again just to make sure
14:38:23pondlifeNico_P: It's done...
14:38:59jhMikeSis there something that has to be changed in order for current_vp to be defined?
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14:41:58jhMikeSstrange to have an undefined reference to it
14:42:01amiconnPaulJam, michael1486: Nobody implemented either general or special scaling routines for the greyscale ipod's pixel packing
14:42:34amiconnThere are general scaling routines for colour, and special ones for iriver H1x0 + iaudio M5, and for archos recorder
14:43:00michael1486i can play movies on my mini though.....
14:43:29*amiconn is mr. greyscale library
14:43:30PaulJamthe movies don't have to be resized/scaled
14:43:55michael1486no but i do it to save space....
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14:44:57PaulJami meant that you do the resizing on the pc, so rockbox doesn't have to do any resizing when playing back the video
14:45:28michael1486yes i have done itt with bigger movies but not the small ones...
14:46:05jhMikeSah, nm, it was static'ed in lcd-16bit.c
14:46:17BigBambigevaerts, jhMikeS
14:48:14gevaertsThere is something wrong at the PHY level. It should _never_ detect or try low speed
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14:51:17LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: If you read the logs, I had mentioned that compiling a Gigabeat S bootloader from source had failed.
14:52:27jhMikeSLambdaCalculus37: I hadn't yet. BTW, what failed exactly?
14:52:42jhMikeSif it's logged i'll just look
14:52:53LambdaCalculus37It's logged. I hope the pastebin is still there.
14:53:13BigBambijhMikeS: bootloader build failure for me:
14:53:40jhMikeSah, that's np to fix
14:54:16jhMikeSconfig.h just isn't defining the presence of that kernel object
14:54:23LambdaCalculus37BigBambi: Yes, that's the same error I got.
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14:55:27michael1486smaller in mb not in resolution...
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15:01:31PaulJammichael1486: if the resolution of the movie doesn't match the screens resolution, then the movie either gets cropped or doesn't fill the whole screen. mpegplayer doesn't do any scaling.
15:02:16michael1486too bad....
15:02:35michael1486how hard would it be to do it from scratch?
15:03:15PaulJami guess that highly depends on your skills.
15:03:59michael1486i stink.....but i have c++ for dummies.....i might be able to do it.............
15:04:07BigBambimichael1486: On the fly scaling would be pretty hard work for our limited CPUs....
15:04:27michael1486what about modified roms?
15:05:21BigBambigameboy roms?
15:05:26BigBambiAnd what about them?
15:05:45PaulJami doubt that this would work, rockboy just emulates the gameboy hardware.
15:06:00michael1486couldent you modify them to be greyscale/smaller?
15:06:38michael1486gameboy advance only has like 5 or 6 mgz....
15:06:52BigBambiPlus everything else
15:06:59LambdaCalculus37Rubbish. The GBA is a 16 MHz ARM7 CPU.
15:07:06BigBambiEmulation is very hard work
15:07:35michael1486i checked out the gba linux page....
15:07:36LambdaCalculus37michael1486: And what does size of the ROM itself have to do with anything?
15:08:10michael1486the smaller the size the less data to be processed...
15:08:34LambdaCalculus37michael1486: No, that is irrelevant.
15:08:57LambdaCalculus37A Game Boy ROM can be 128KB is size. That doesn't mean "less data to be processed".
15:08:58michael1486well you could mod the pictures within the rom?
15:09:50michael1486is'nt the rom a compression medium?
15:10:46LambdaCalculus37That doesn't change anything.
15:11:15LambdaCalculus37michael1486: Before you say anything else, I suggest you go and read up more on the subject.
15:11:26michael1486you could mod the rom so you wouldent need to greyscale it....
15:13:00LambdaCalculus37michael1486: Modding the ROM is *not* (I repeat... *is not*) going to change the fact that we still need a greyscale library for Rockbox.
15:13:43michael1486how could i get/make that?
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15:14:58LambdaCalculus37The greyscale library is already in the source, but it's only needed for devices that have a greyscale or monochrome LCD.
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15:20:38michael1486bye and thanks to all!
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15:46:45ByeongKeongevaerts : HI.
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15:47:38ByeongKeongevaerts : I update my assessment. now, it can display P3 PPM file to LCD.
15:47:42ByeongKeongevaerts : I left URL( April 15 1300 on my application.
15:48:31gevaertsByeongKeon: thanks. We'll have a look at it soon
15:49:14troy_e you a programmer? do you know any thing about the hitachi sh3 cpu?
15:50:24ByeongKeontroy_ : hello troy_.
15:50:51ByeongKeontroy_ : a few years ago, I used it.
15:50:56troy_hello byeon
15:54:54ByeongKeontroy_ : what do you want to know about sh3 cpu?
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16:09:00pondlifeWhat's the criteria for inclusion of a target in the build system?
16:09:18pondlifeIs it arbitrary?
16:09:51Nico_Ppretty much
16:10:10pondlifeIt would probably be good if the 'Beast stuff was included, no?
16:10:25pondlife"Make the gigabeat S bootloader compile again."
16:10:40pondlifeThat way we'd see any damage..
16:11:26Nico_PI guess you need to talk to Bagder about that
16:11:37LambdaCalculus37I think we should start including it.
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16:11:48LambdaCalculus37The port is coming along to the point where it would be a wise choice to.
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16:12:09LambdaCalculus37I've already got it running on mine.
16:12:11pondlifeIt's not a biggie, but a policy of "the more the merrier" might be nice... just need to get the table width under control :)
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17:22:03*petur wonders if jhMikeS is going to fix the red
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17:28:30PaulJamsorry, pressed enter istead of space
17:30:08mcuelenaerehow do you force gcc generating STRH instead of STRB on a *(volatile unsigned short*) ?
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17:33:41PaulJami read somewhere that it is possible to use an mp3player as a infrared remote by playing back a file that was previously recorded through an ir receiver and connecting an IR LED to the headphone output. so i was wondering if the reverse procedure would be theoretically possible: connect an IR receiver to the mic input and have a tsr plugin analyze the signal to be able to control playback on the player with an IR remote. would this work?
17:36:26LambdaCalculus37PaulJam: It could. Here's what Wikipedia has to say about this:
17:37:26LambdaCalculus37A little OT: I read that it's possible to record an IR signal as a WAV file and play it back on a DAP. Some people have tested this with Tamagotchi communication signals. Google for more info.
17:37:47*LambdaCalculus37 returns to our regularly scheduled program, already in progress. :)
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17:44:08*pondlife wants to see the top row of the build table fill in as soon as the particular build is done...
17:44:16pondlifeInstant red spotting
17:44:28pondlifeNone of this suspense
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17:46:45LambdaCalculus37pondlife: The reds are declaring an error in line 343 of rolo.c.
17:47:00pondlifeNot any more
17:47:46pondlifeI mean, while the build is in progress, it would be nice if the top line (grey) could fill in block-by- block. Probably kill the build server bandwidth though :)
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17:48:55LambdaCalculus37Ah, no more red. :)
17:50:41pondlifeHaving mopped up that red, I am now in credit so can add my own red later... 798 points to spend, I reckon. ;)
17:51:13gevaertsHave fun with them ;)
17:51:29pondlifeI'll probably spend them on Archos sims (again)
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17:59:22Rincewindamiconn: are you here?
18:02:00jhMikeSeek red
18:02:11pondlifeFear not
18:02:30pondlifeYou may have a (void)i that need an #ifdef still, but I did a quick mop
18:02:51jhMikeSpondlife: thanks.
18:03:05pondlifeNo worries, you have enough good work to do elsewhere anyway
18:03:20*jhMikeS had to haul out of here for a bit
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18:07:33jhMikeSwell one warning is back but it's not so bothersome I guess
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18:16:41Nico_Psorry about that :/
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18:17:47alphanumericIs there a place where I can watch the USB driver status besides reading through every single subversion change?
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18:19:39n1salphanumeric: svn log -r 17000:HEAD | grep -i usb
18:20:37pixelmabah,'s webclient is less fun than ever by far (with a large gap)... count lag in minutes and unstable :\
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18:21:17alphanumericn1s: I don't understand that at all. Is that linux or can I use tortoiseSVN to do that?
18:22:46n1salphanumeric: you can enter that in a linux shell... (maybe you need rockbox svn checked out)
18:23:22DerPapstpixelma: got my pm?
18:23:37alphanumericn1s: oh, I'm on XP, so I don't think that will work without some sort of VM.
18:23:53bluebrotheryou can also open the svn changelog page and use your browsers search function to search for the string usb
18:23:55n1sif you need the actual status without a dev environment i don't think there's any other way than looking through the revisions on the webpage
18:24:12bluebrotheror use the command line svn client for windows in conjunction with grep from the gnuwin32 project.
18:24:15alphanumericbluebrother: I do that all the time, I was just wondering if there was an easier way.
18:24:42n1sbut whenever it is enabled for official builds I am sure it will be mentioned at least in the MajorChanges page in the wiki
18:24:47bluebrotheroh, and using cygwin is also a possiblilty
18:24:51n1sand probably on the frontpage
18:25:31alphanumericn1s: okay thanks, n1s. I just love to watch the status, wish it had RSS or something on the SVN.
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18:25:56n1salphanumeric: I think there is an rss feed somewhere
18:25:58bluebrotheralphanumeric: there is an rss feed of the rockbox-cvs mailing list
18:26:56alphanumericawesome, thanks guys!
18:26:57*n1s googled "rockbox svn rss"
18:27:12*bluebrother points to
18:27:29alphanumericsorry, I usually recognize it by the icon (since I didn't see it, I assumed it wasn't there).
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18:28:58alphanumericAgain thank you guys so much. You guys are amazing.
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19:00:40preglowis implicit conversion from a larger integral type to a smaller one really legal in c?
19:01:33domonokyas you can loose something with it, you should get a warning i think..
19:01:44preglowyeah, that's what i thought as well, but gcc is strangely silent...
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19:02:01gevaertsWhat's the context ?
19:02:13domonokyare all warnings on ? maybe we suppress this warnings... :-)
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19:02:39preglowcontext is doing "return something_that_is_size_t;" in a function returning "unsigned"
19:02:46preglowdomonoky: -Wall
19:03:38domonokyisnt size_t unsigned int ?
19:03:49preglowsize_t is unsigned long on 64 bit platforms
19:03:51preglowthis isn't on target
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19:05:05domonokyso perhaps the question is more: what does gcc make out of "unsigned" a 32bit unsigned ? a unsigned long ?
19:05:23linuxstbIIUC the default type in C is an "int".
19:06:11bluebrothershouldn't gcc whine about some implicit type anyway?
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19:07:42preglowi can't make gcc complain even if i clearly give the size_t a 64 bit value
19:08:04Gartralhello.... i found a difference with the Sansa e200 series v1 and v2... the v2 has "SanDisk" above the screen, where the the v1 doesnt
19:11:03gevaertspreglow: for what architecture are you compiling ?
19:11:40gevaertsGartral: one big problem with all these "rules" is that sandisk sometimes deviates from them
19:11:55preglowgevaerts: local, amd64
19:12:00DerPapstat least it's an indicator.
19:12:57advcomp2019Gartral, gevaerts is right.. the easiest is with firmware version
19:15:47jhMikeStoffe82: any chance to find out which PMIC pin the 5.0V power supply is on?
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19:18:58vedpreglow: hehe without −−pedantic gcc seems not to care about void* arithmetic too. tried −−pedantic anyway?
19:19:00gevaertspreglow: -Wconversion will warn about those. It's not enabled by -Wall or -Wextra apparently
19:19:28jhMikeSgcc explicitely states it supports void * artithmetic
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19:20:21gevaertsAnd downsizing to an unsigned value is well-defined, so warnings there can be annoying
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19:21:56toffe82jhMikeS: I will try to do it tonight, you want 5v coming from the DC jack to the mc13783 ?
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19:22:43jhMikeSno, it shows a 5V line coming from the mc13783 to a current limiter (VBUS). I suspect it's just an OTG host thing though.
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19:26:20toffe82jhMikeS: they could have used the usb from the mc13783 to make thing easier
19:28:25jhMikeSit doesn't support high speed though
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19:29:21jhMikeStoffe82: Also, knowing the power supply line of the ISP might tell something but I'm guessing it's powered.
19:30:04*jhMikeS needs to verify all the pins and pll's (tedious) :(
19:30:43toffe82the one to the current limiter just before the isp ?
19:31:25preglowgevaerts: thanks, weird that not everything is added by -Wall...
19:31:29jhMikeSwell, two: 1) The power supply to the ISP 2) The 5V to the current limiter (probably host-only)
19:31:54*toffe82 will put is 10x magnifier on to do that
19:31:58bluebrothergevaerts_: what happened to the tests for SoC students? Isn't the period over?
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19:32:39jhMikeSIt would suck to keep trying this only to find out the ISP supply must be switched on or something
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19:33:24whoever_hi together. on my iAudio I have a problem with my filesystem. So I want to format it. so can I just copy the files on iAudio, and format the FAT-System, and copy the files back to run rockbox on the system again?
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19:33:41UncleRemusHas there been any improvements to rockbox for iPod (Photo) in terms of battery life the last half year?
19:33:58bluebrotherUncleRemus: read the MajorChanges wiki page ...
19:34:02n1swhoever_: yes
19:34:14LambdaCalculus37whoever_: Just not in that order. :)
19:34:22whoever_LambdaCalculus37, what do you mean?
19:34:36UncleRemusI tried it and loved it, but the battery life was unfortunately too short.
19:34:37LambdaCalculus37Wait... nevermind. Read it wrong. Sorry.
19:34:43whoever_n1s, are you shure?
19:34:50UncleRemusbluebrother: OK.
19:34:55whoever_so there can nothing happen?
19:35:04bluebrotherUncleRemus: did you read that page? There is an entry of the 10th of february this year ...
19:35:10n1swhoever_: yes
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19:35:18whoever_thanks alot... - you are great:)!
19:35:28LambdaCalculus37whoever_: Yes, back up, format as FAT32, then put everything back.
19:35:45n1sIaudios are actually more brick proof than ipods :)
19:35:47whoever_format as FAT32
19:35:59whoever_LambdaCalculus37, do I need a backup from a boot-sector or something like that?
19:36:08LambdaCalculus37whoever_: No.
19:36:13LambdaCalculus37Just back up your files.
19:36:19whoever_ok - tanks alot!
19:36:38whoever_and do you have a special trick for iAudios? with some setitngs or something like that?
19:36:54*LambdaCalculus37 doesn't own an iAUDIO
19:36:56whoever_is it better for the battery, if I have a small buffer-time?
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19:37:41n1swhoever_: are you talking about the "anti-skip buffer" ?
19:38:11whoever_hmm... I'm talking about the time how many time of a song he take in the flash (or RAM:)?)
19:38:18whoever_(that was to n1s )
19:38:56n1sI'm sorry but I don't understand, could you rephrase that?
19:38:59UncleRemusbluebrother: Yes, I just saw it. Do you know anything more specific, is it worth the upgrade? Is it a major improvement? (thanks for the tip also)
19:39:02whoever_sorry, I'm German :) _ so I have a b ad english:D
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19:39:25bluebrotherUncleRemus: yes, it's major. IIRC some other small improvements have happened over time too.
19:39:58UncleRemusIt says "resulting in a large savings in power..."
19:40:00bluebrotherbesides, the linked svn log message tells quite a bit
19:40:16UncleRemusWohooo! Back to rockbox again!
19:40:32bluebrother"we now appreach the OF runtime on several PP devices"
19:40:43bluebrothertry it yourself :)
19:40:48whoever_n1s, under settings > general settings > play back
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19:41:03whoever_and yes - there I mean the anti-skip buffer :) - sorry, under gmerman it is different
19:41:11whoever_what does this buffer do:)?
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19:41:43UncleRemusbluebrother: What is the linked svn message?
19:41:56UncleRemusIs it for main.c?
19:41:58n1swhoever_: if you increase that rockbox will rebuffer _earlier_, so if it has trouble reading the HD it has more time, but this _decreases_ battery life
19:42:16domonokywhoever_: it controls how much is always kept in buffer, so the higher it is, the earlyer the disk spins up again..
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19:42:28bluebrotherUncleRemus: click on the entry on the MajorChanges page ...
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19:42:39gevaertsbluebrother: the period is over, yes
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19:42:43whoever_ok - and which settings else safe the battery-life?
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19:43:00whoever_(to all, special domonoky , n1s )
19:43:44UncleRemusOK, yes that was what I was reading. Thanks for this, I'll install rockbox again
19:43:49bluebrotherUncleRemus: and the log message applies to all files that were committed in that revision
19:44:10*bluebrother goes pointing to ;-)
19:44:26n1sthe defaults are pretty efficient, all dsp things use a bit of battery, like eq crossfeed etc, naturally keeping the backlight on as little as possible and with low brightness helps
19:45:02bluebrothergevaerts: any students pending? Are the results public?
19:45:10whoever_n1s, the backlight is on a optimum on my iAudio - but thanks alot:D
19:45:14gevaertsbluebrother: we have one interview to go
19:45:20whoever_and i load the directory to the buffer - I think that helps'
19:45:33UncleRemusbluebrother: And taking a "Current Rockbox Build" will incorporate this, right?
19:46:26n1swhoever_: "directory cache" (as it is called in English) helps battery time _if_ you browse your files a lot
19:46:54whoever_I do that:)
19:46:57whoever_so thanks alot:)
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19:47:25whoever_I love Rockbox - and i programmed my own WPS - btu I don't understand everything, so I'm very happy about this channel
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19:49:25jhMikeSHmmm..."A wakeup operation is required before accessing the registers when the
19:49:25jhMikeSULPI interface is operating in low power mode, serial mode, or car-kit mode."
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19:59:38homielowejhMikeS: Thanks for fixing bootloader compiling on the gigabeaSt
20:00:25jhMikeShomielowe: np. does it still work?
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20:01:10homielowejhMikeS: Just compiled on ubuntu 7.10 and compiled clean without errors.
20:02:25jhMikeSnow I'm wondering if it actually boots it :)
20:03:26homielowejhMikeS: Not enough time to test here, maybe in seven hours :P
20:03:38*BigBambi will try
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20:08:47BigBambijhMikeS: Yes, it still boots Rockbox
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20:13:49jhMikeSBigBambi: nice. thanks for checking.
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20:13:57BigBambino problems
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20:15:04]3six5[sansa e260 ain't detecting sd cards
20:15:16BigBambiWhat version of rockbox?
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20:15:24scorche|shyou are going to have to be a bit more descriptive of that..
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20:16:08*]3six5[ shrugs
20:16:12]3six5[i just gots it
20:16:16BigBambiPlease update to the current build, try again, if it still doesn't work, give us more details
20:16:51jhMikeSchecking the debug screen might tell if it's not detecting or just not mounting
20:17:04gevaertsDoes the card work in the OF ?
20:17:20]3six5[cards work in my phone and in the card reader
20:17:29]3six5[dunno about the original firmware
20:17:40BigBambiAny chance you could check?
20:17:49]3six5[i got this sansa pre-loaded w/ rockbox
20:18:00BigBambiThe manual will tell you that it can dual boot
20:18:18gevaertsWhat size is the card ?
20:18:46]3six5[i've got a 2gb sd micros and a couple 4gb sdhc's
20:18:52]3six5[none of'm register
20:18:56bertrika 4GB sdhc micro-sd card works fine here with v17121
20:19:11BigBambi]3six5[: Could you answer jhMikeS's question above?
20:19:13]3six5[i gotta update this puppy
20:19:23*BigBambi gives up
20:19:29gevaertsI would suggest to try the 2gb card in the original firmware first
20:19:31]3six5[i'm flippin through the debug now
20:19:38]3six5[where should i look exactly?
20:19:58whoever_@ all : can I publish a WPS when the background is under the Creative Common license?
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20:20:19BigBambiwhoever_: So long as you fulfil all requirements of the licence, yes
20:20:45whoever_BigBambi, so i just have to name the creator of the background:)?
20:20:59]3six5[thank you much BigBambi for bringing the current build to my attention
20:20:59BigBambiwhoever_: If that is what the background licence says
20:21:08amiconnRincewind: Here now
20:21:26whoever_ok - then I can - so I would do it - but I'm not sure if it is useful:D
20:21:36BigBambi]3six5[: No probs - we do ask you always update before requesting support in case a problem has already been fixed
20:21:48BigBambiwhoever_: If what is useful?
20:21:54whoever_my WPS:)
20:21:57Rincewindamiconn: I'm eating at the moment. I send you a private message later
20:22:17BigBambiwhoever_: You never know :)
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20:24:04whoever_BigBambi, you can look an
20:24:42BigBambiwhoever_: Looks good to me - I'm sure some people would appreciate it if you submitted it
20:25:12whoever_so I would try to can do it on the WPS-Page
20:26:11BigBambiSure, check the instructions on WpsGallery, then select the correct page for the theme
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20:30:12]3six5[hmm, updated, msd: not present
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20:30:39BigBambi]3six5[: And does the Sansa firmware read the 2GB card?
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20:31:55*LambdaCalculus37 readies a 16-ton weight for the next spammer
20:32:05icemanghaha, i'm totally going to that website
20:32:08*icemang rolls eyes
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20:34:41]3six5[give me a minute.. going to try to rebuild the file structure on that card. was mainly used for my phone
20:36:48]3six5[the card wasn't going in all the way
20:37:01*icemang faceplams ]3six5[
20:37:13]3six5[it would half click.. and it felt like it was securely in there
20:37:29icemanglet's not get excited
20:37:31*]3six5[ blushes
20:37:34icemangdoes it recognize the card now?
20:37:34]3six5[its reading it
20:37:41]3six5[<3 <#
20:37:46]3six5[thanks for all the help guys
20:37:58]3six5[i've never felt like such a newb
20:38:13domonokycan you all please stay within normal ascii, and pure english ? :-)
20:38:37]3six5[that is normal ascii
20:38:43Battousaicould also be an ice cream cone
20:38:43BigBambi]3six5[: Stop it now
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20:39:00BigBambiThis is an on-topic channel, lets keep it that way
20:39:00icemangthanks #rockbox
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20:39:03preglowthat is normal ascii..
20:39:27gevaerts]3six5[: the issue is that some people read this channel using screen readers or translation software, and all these smiley-like things are hard on them
20:40:02davenas is :-)
20:40:12]3six5[i'll leave all my alt+4321 hexcode outta this chat then
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20:40:56]3six5[i look forward to helping the chat/project out how ever i can in the future
20:41:00]3six5[thanks again y'all
20:41:12BigBambino problems
20:41:51PaulJam_hmm, second crash today :( time to use the official build for a while.
20:43:02bertrikit would be nice if I could search the bug tracker by player type
20:45:18PaulJam_are there many bugs related to a specific player?
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20:48:28bertrikPaulJam_: I don't know, at least some are specific, it's a bit hard to tell without opening a bunch of them
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20:53:54Lloreanbertrik: I don't think it would be too helpful, the very vast majority of tasks I've seen with the player type filled in have had it filled in by someone who doesn't know the bug is an issue on the software layer.
20:54:26LloreanIt'd be much more useful if the tasks could have multiple players set and every commenter could add their player to the list if they were experiencing it, I suppose.
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20:56:32bertrikok, but we have advanced search by even more advanced properties now, like "reported version", "due in version" and "percent complete"
20:57:28Llorean"due in version" at least was used quite a bit when we were trying to hit a release.
20:57:45Llorean"Percent Complete" would've been relevant then too.
20:58:06LloreanAnd "reported version" would've become relevant immediately after said release if it hadn't failed.
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20:59:13bluebrothera release is also a proposed topic for DevCon
21:00:18elinenbebluebrother: for the 3rd year in a row ;-)
21:00:40bluebrotherelinenbe: maybe it'll work for the third attempt?
21:00:44Lloreanbertrik: I just think that, with the way the reported player works now, someone searching by it is going to often be mislead by the results they get (especially users)
21:01:17bluebrotherIMO a release would be good. I just don't see it approaching ...
21:01:34*bluebrother discovers some manuals being broken
21:02:44bertrikLlorean: ok sounds reasonable
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21:04:09*Nico_P agrees that a relase would be good
21:05:00*Llorean thinks his opinion on the matter is well known. :)
21:06:25n1sNico_P: I think you know the playback code the best, do you think it's (close to) good enough for a release?
21:06:48Nico_Pn1s: I think we're getting quite close
21:07:00elinenbeNico_P: I think the buffereing code needs to support (jpg) coverart in the ID3 tags ;-)
21:07:05*bluebrother starts to get confused by this stupid way the history works on cmd.exe :(
21:07:06Nico_PI have a few bugfixes ready and a plan to rewrite audio_check_nex_track
21:07:12LloreanWith the recent significant changes though, we're at a point where the status is somewhat unknown in terms of new problems that might show up over the next few days
21:08:01BigBambielinenbe: I don't think embedded jpeg coverart is a v3 requisite :P
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21:08:38gevaertsI do think however that properly handling files where embedded jpeg coverart is present (by ignoring it) might be a requisite
21:08:44LambdaCalculus37elinenbe: You're welcome to work on it, of course. :)
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21:09:24*gevaerts forgot about the "complaining==volumteering" part, and retracts his last statement
21:09:25Lloreangevaerts: I think in many cases we do ignore it, it's just cases where it's excessively large that are problematic so far?
21:09:59n1sI think that with a stable playback engine for swcodec we can simply feature freeze for about 2 weeks, fix what we can and then release
21:10:40gevaertsLlorean: the ones I have problems with are about 64k
21:11:06bluebrothermaybe we should try to fix some other annoyances as well ... but a stable playback engine it the most important.
21:11:19Lloreangevaerts: That sounds somewhat large to me.
21:11:39bluebrotherduring that freeze we should also try to get devs updating / proof-reading the manual ;-)
21:11:44gevaertsMaybe. I don't have any other files with embedded jpegs, so I can't really compare
21:12:14amiconnSeveral swcodec targets have more or less severe non-playback related problems
21:12:27n1sbluebrother: my point is that we should _enter_ the freeze with a stable playback engine so that we have the base functionality already working well
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21:13:31ZincAlloyspeaking of buffering code: yesterdays improvements are pretty cool, but I think there is some weired stuff going on: when I change to an unbuffered album after turning the backlight on it still takes rather long to buffer. when I try to do the same thing immediately afterwards (keeping the backlight on by browsing files while waiting for the hdd indicator to disappear) the new track loads really fast. is this
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21:14:14PaulJam_ZincAlloy: your message was cut off
21:15:06bluebrothern1s: indeed, that would be a good start.
21:15:23ZincAlloypeaking of buffering code: yesterdays improvements are pretty cool, but I think there is some weired stuff going on: when I change to an unbuffered album after turning the backlight on it still takes rather long to buffer. when I try to do the same thing immediately afterwards (keeping the backlight on by browsing files while waiting for the hdd indicator to disappear) the new track loads really fast. is this
21:15:33ZincAlloydid it come through this time?
21:15:42n1sZincAlloy: it's too long
21:15:43amiconnZincAlloy: IRC has a line length limit...
21:15:46BigBambiZincAlloy: Not all of it - check the logs
21:15:57bluebrotherZincAlloy: it was cut at "is this"
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21:16:30ZincAlloy...a bug?
21:16:43Horschtit's a feature
21:16:52ZincAlloyoh, cool
21:17:24Horschtsounds like spin-up time to me
21:17:47ZincAlloyI see..
21:18:10ZincAlloylet me try this again...
21:18:10HorschtI assume you are using a HD based target, no?
21:18:23ZincAlloyyes, iriver h300
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21:19:20Horschtthe disk takes some time to spin up until the target can "use" it
21:19:22bluebrotherwow, several manuals seem to be broken since around 200 revisions :(
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21:23:39ZincAlloyyeah, makes sense now. I didn't consider that the disk might still be spinning with no disc activity being indicated. thanks for the explanation!
21:23:46n1sbluebrother: ?
21:24:04*Nico_P farked up a commit message
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21:24:23n1sZincAlloy: with a h300 you should be able to hear/feel the disk spinnign quite easily
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21:25:29BigBambiNico_P: Ignore those pesky lines!
21:25:52bluebrothern1s: the pegbox plugin broke several manual builds ... like recorder, h10 and others
21:25:56Nico_PI think I inadvertantly changed something there
21:26:25javamandoes rockbox use sdl?
21:26:39javamanif i was making a plugin could i make rockbox use sdl?
21:26:48ZincAlloyn1s: yes, definitely, though my h300 is still rather quiet compared to others..
21:27:10n1sjavaman: only the simulators use sdl
21:27:13linuxstbjavaman: No. But there is a Rockbox simulator that uses SDL (building Rockbox as a PC application)
21:27:18bluebrotherjavaman: no. The sim is based on SDL but you can't use sdl functionality from plugins
21:27:59n1sbluebrother: are you fixin manuals or should I?
21:28:28n1sWe really need a better way to know the manuals are broken...
21:28:38bluebrothern1s: already committed ;-)
21:28:49bluebrotherNico_P: what happened to your latest commit message?
21:29:37bluebrotherbut I agree that we need a better notification system for broken manuals.
21:29:42Nico_Pbluebrother: I think I inadvertantly modified the line I was supposed to ignore
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21:30:30bluebrotheraah ... just realized what the french text means ;-)
21:31:46Horscht"I surrender"?
21:32:04Horschtthat was probably politicaly uncorrect...
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22:31:26bluebrotherhmm, are svn usernames not case sensitive?
22:32:14Bagderand no, I don't know why ;-)
22:32:41gevaertsAren't you an svn developer ? ;-)
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22:32:57bluebrotherah, that explains me seeing two variants of a committer ;-)
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22:33:50BagderI have 17 commits or something like that in the svn project, done for about 6 years ago
22:34:05BagderI'm only in there for all the fame and glory
22:35:19gevaerts6 years ago ? hmm, isn't that about the time when username-case-sensitivity was decided ?
22:35:40Bagdermost probably, but I can't recall that discussion at all!
22:36:06BagderI guess the mail archives could reveal it... oh wait, I host them too! ;-O
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22:37:07n1sBagder: Could we have some way to tell if the manual builds failed on the site, nothing fancy, just an indicator somwhere?
22:37:43Bagderwe should indeed
22:37:47n1sAlso it would be great if the old pdf's weren't deleted if the build failed (and the htmls weren't half-replaced)
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22:44:56Bagderbertrik: I think FS #8898 looks fine!
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22:46:17bertrikBagder: ok thanks
22:48:25bertrikI'll do some more testing to verify I didn't break anything, then I'll commit it, OK?
22:48:43gevaertsbertrik: try a c200 build as well
22:49:14bertrikgevaerts: good idea (I'll report back in about 12 minutes...)
22:54:30bluebrotherBagder: you could simply grep for a ! at the beginning of a line in the latex log file −− that indicates an error
22:54:54bluebrother(that's how I'm doing it in my nasty buildall script ;-)
22:55:41BagderI'll give it a shot, but it'll probably take me a few days.
22:58:19bluebrothersure, no hurries. It worked fine the way it does right now for quite a while already :)
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23:01:39fmlmarkun: ping
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23:02:56markunfml: pong (but was about to go to bed)
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23:04:31markunfml: I'll be back in a few minutes. If you have a question you can just ask it and I will reply when I get back.
23:04:31fmlmarkun: ok. I wanted to ask something about nimbus-19
23:04:40markunwhat about it?
23:05:29fmlmarkun: I've been thinking about making capitals one pixel wider. So that the gap between the legs (e.g. in H) has the same width as the legs
23:06:13markunfml: you can also talk to pixelma about it. I think she has done more recent work on the nimbus fonts.
23:06:22fmlmarkun: wouldn't it look nicer then? And if the dap has a wide enough screen (ipods, but not sansa e200) it might be an improvement
23:06:47fmlSo we could have two versions of it: normal and wide
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23:07:19markunfml: could you maybe make this second version and make screenshots of with the same text to show us?
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23:07:53markunit's usually how font changes get decided
23:08:12fmlmarkun: that's the problem. I've changed some letters to make a sample but can't call the sample window in FontForge. I don't know why.
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23:08:31markunfml: but you could view a text in the rockbox sim
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23:09:08fmlmarkun: yes, but that's much more hassle, and I'm lazy :-)
23:09:12markunotherwise I could do that, but not now
23:10:12fmlThe changes were really simple. Just make letters with vertical legs a bit wider. Was just an idea.
23:10:24fmlSure not now. Good night.
23:10:38markuncan you put the font in the tracker when you are finished?
23:10:50markunthen I can make the screenshots if you want
23:10:58markunand tell us which glyphs you changed
23:11:23markungood night
23:11:31fmlmarkun: I just changed a couple of letters, the most obvious ones to get a first impression. But couln't get it :-)
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23:16:21Nico_PBagder: has someone talked to you about adding the gigabeast to the build table?
23:16:48Nico_Pthen I am :) what do you think?
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23:19:22bluebrotherwill it be named Gigabeast in the table? *g*
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23:19:55fmlmarkun: (for the log): FS task added: FS #8899 (nice number, he-he)
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23:21:36Bagderif it builds I see nothing against adding it
23:21:42Bagderall three builds?
23:22:04*DerPapst waits for a new and shiny svg :-)
23:22:42Nico_PBagder: at least the BL and the main bin build. the sim probably does too
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23:23:26Nico_Pdo you want me to check?
23:23:48DerPapstanother 12 builds and the table doesn't fit on my screen anymore :-P
23:24:12*Nico_P still has room of he maximizes his browser window
23:24:21BagderNico_P: unless you feel like fixing reds ;-)
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23:25:15Bagderany point in collecting zips at this point?
23:26:16Nico_PATM we send tars to the device
23:27:02Bagdernk.bin is the bootloader output filename, right?
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23:28:50Bagdernow commit something fun and let us see!
23:29:16*gevaerts thinks that DerPapst has a fun patch to commit
23:30:26DerPapst1D Tetris!
23:31:12gevaerts"Ladies and Gentlemen, we do not have sound, but we have a fun new game !"
23:31:55DerPapstmost users install rockbox because of the games anyways. so games >> sound. ;-)
23:32:50Bagdersound is sooo 90s anyway, internet is the way to go these days!
23:32:55DerPapstthat's why BattleShip > new codec or other important core changes
23:33:17gevaertsDerPapst: that's _un_important core changes ;)
23:33:32DerPapstuhh.. indeed
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23:38:45gevaertsDerPapst: it crashes on H320
23:40:32DerPapstwhere there any compiler warnings?
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23:41:22gevaertsDerPapst: no
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23:43:11*Bagder forces a rebuild
23:43:23Bagderah no need
23:43:54Bagder79 builds now
23:44:32DerPapstgevaerts: did it hang? or any other type of crash?
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23:44:57gevaertsI0B:Line-F at 00014878
23:45:51*gevaerts isn't used to coldfire crashes yet and has no idea what that means
23:46:02DerPapstmaybe the mapfile is of help...
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23:46:11DerPapstruns fine on my iPod (5.5.G)
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23:46:30TaylorKillianhello all
23:46:34DerPapsthaven't tested on any other of my targets, however, they're all arms
23:46:37gevaertsI doubt it. IIRC that's in ROM area, so a wrong pointer
23:46:47gevaertsI know, that's why I tested h320
23:47:59DerPapstdid it instandly crash?
23:48:27gevaertspretty much
23:48:52DerPapstdid it draw anything before? i guess not.
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23:50:14gevaertsIf it did, it was fast enough not to show up
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23:52:00DerPapsti only do 2 things with pointers. one is stolen, the other is not... ;-)
23:52:15gevaertsWhat's the other ?
23:52:33DerPapsta snprintf
23:54:19gevaertsthe snprintf looks ok to me
23:55:10DerPapstadn the other is directly stolen from rockblox...
23:55:23DerPapstthe line right after the do {
23:57:33gevaertsI'm building a h300 sim now, to see if it's something about this specific screen size
23:57:38*DerPapst has no idea and blames gevaerts h320
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