| 00:00:50 | goffa | hmm... in a dilemma... hd is dying on the f60... |
| 00:01:53 | goffa | do i want to get an ipod 5.5 80gb ($190)... or get a new hard drive for the gigabeat ($130) |
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| 00:02:52 | goffa | looks like no one is awake |
| 00:03:22 | * | scorche votes for the latter |
| 00:04:05 | Llorean | I suggest a new HD as well |
| 00:04:12 | goffa | yeah.. was thinking of going that route |
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| 00:04:51 | goffa | that's assuming an mk8009gah will work |
| 00:05:58 | toffe82 | no, connector problem (LIF) |
| 00:06:35 | goffa | hmm... glad i asked... so... what model 80gb drives am i looking for? |
| 00:08:02 | goffa | was thinking that was the 50 pin connector according to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement#Toshiba |
| 00:08:28 | linuxstb | The one that's almost impossible to find... |
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| 00:08:39 | goffa | ah... 8007? |
| 00:08:51 | BuXY95 | bug: using latest rockbox with ihp-120. during record standby with agc turned on, scrolling BELOW agc exchanges the line "AGC: ..." to "AGC max gain: ..." they should be two lines below each other! |
| 00:09:03 | goffa | grr.. i hate bogus spec sheets from vendors |
| 00:09:19 | linuxstb | goffa: Yes, I think so. It works nicely though ;) |
| 00:09:45 | goffa | youch... that's $250 |
| 00:09:51 | toffe82 | you need this interface and it should work : http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.10887 |
| 00:10:03 | goffa | that still better than a $190 ipod? |
| 00:10:06 | toffe82 | I received on ethis week but didn't have time to test |
| 00:12:38 | linuxstb | goffa: I think it probably is. Battery life should be slightly longer, and the CPU in the gigabeat never struggles... |
| 00:12:40 | Alex_SC2e | n1s: Eh, How do I reset settings |
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| 00:13:21 | n1s | Alex_SC2e: settings->Manage settings->Reset settings |
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| 00:28:19 | goffa | wonder if that adapter will fit in the case |
| 00:29:04 | markun | goffa: better wait for toffe to try first |
| 00:30:11 | toffe82 | I need to steal the f11 of my wife, I don't have any F working :) |
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| 00:31:13 | markun | toffe82: do your kids all have gigabeats as well? :) |
| 00:31:38 | toffe82 | no I sold them :), they have a nintendo ds now |
| 00:31:42 | Alex_SC2e | n1s: setting reset unsuccessful |
| 00:32:03 | Alex_SC2e | I'm looking for a good theme |
| 00:32:39 | scorche|sh | Alex_SC2e: then find one...we cant really tell you a good one as "good" in this case is extremely subjective |
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| 00:42:05 | Alex_Sc2e | back. I still can't get this to work correctly. |
| 00:44:01 | goffa | yeah.. my drive will probably hold for a while |
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| 00:44:33 | goffa | been putting in $150 bids on 80gb ipods on ebay (been unsuccessful) |
| 00:44:47 | goffa | might have to wait and see if the adapter works |
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| 01:14:16 | * | shotofadds is pleased to have made the "beast" peoples' Rolo experiences better today :-) |
| 01:14:32 | preglow | haha |
| 01:14:40 | preglow | shotofadds: anything new and fun going on in d2 world? |
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| 01:15:23 | shotofadds | not that I'm aware of, other than JdGordon doing a lot of the hard work for me ;) |
| 01:15:36 | preglow | isn't he adorable? :> |
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| 01:15:57 | shotofadds | indeed ;-) |
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| 01:16:37 | shotofadds | I've had waaay less time this week than I thought I might. Are you still thinking of getting a D2? |
| 01:17:00 | preglow | yeah, i'm pretty certain i will |
| 01:17:14 | preglow | i'm just in a time trap again, and i don't want to get one before i'm sure i have some time to hack on it |
| 01:17:38 | BuXY95 | good night folx |
| 01:17:45 | preglow | i have a notorious lack of self-control when it comes to stuff like this, so i just have to make sure i prioritize the right things :> |
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| 01:19:05 | shotofadds | that's no bad thing... I tend to work on whatever seems interesting at the time. Eg I said I'd get the touchscreen working and ended up playing with PCM drivers in the couple of hours I have had this week,.. |
| 01:19:21 | shotofadds | so far I've just managed to make it crash, though... |
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| 01:23:30 | preglow | heh, know the feeling |
| 01:23:36 | preglow | i don't really know what i'll do first when i get one yet |
| 01:24:25 | * | shotofadds thinks someone else needs to look at the NAND driver ;-) |
| 01:24:29 | preglow | hahaha |
| 01:24:33 | preglow | ahh, yes, reverse-engineering |
| 01:24:42 | preglow | just want i want as a break from the ipod :P |
| 01:25:31 | shotofadds | or get logf-over-usb working... then I can finally investigate the flash off-target |
| 01:26:41 | preglow | hmm |
| 01:26:46 | shotofadds | just as a nice, simple introduction task, obviously..... |
| 01:26:46 | preglow | it might be cool to try to get usb working |
| 01:26:49 | preglow | :D |
| 01:27:13 | preglow | i really haven't even tried usb over serial on my nano yet |
| 01:27:18 | preglow | surely should as soon as i get the chance |
| 01:27:36 | shotofadds | would be nice |
| 01:27:45 | * | shotofadds has had 1 beer too many and needs to sleep. back tomorrow.... |
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| 01:28:33 | * | DerPapst_ wonders how may beers that where :-P |
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| 01:54:30 | donsdw | My Sansa e200 stopped booting into Rockbox. It now boots into Sansa. |
| 01:54:40 | donsdw | Does this mean I have to reinstall Rockbox? |
| 01:55:30 | * | DerPapst_ just figured out how to do something like symbolic links under windows :-D |
| 01:55:43 | advcomp2019 | donsdw, just reinstall the rockbox bootloader if you still have the .rockbox folder |
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| 01:56:24 | donsdw | I still have .rockbox. Thanks, I'll do a little more research to see how that is done. |
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| 02:00:34 | * | DerPapst_ wonders why his gigabeast sim always says "Nothing to resume" regardles what option he selects |
| 02:02:04 | Llorean | Are you maybe pressing Play instead of Select? |
| 02:03:16 | DerPapst_ | d'oh |
| 02:03:18 | DerPapst_ | ;-) |
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| 02:03:41 | * | DerPapst_ is used to his custom sim button definitions for ipods :-P |
| 02:03:42 | donsdw | Llorean: are you talking to me? |
| 02:03:45 | DerPapst_ | thanks |
| 02:04:34 | Llorean | donsdw: No, it was to DerPapst_ |
| 02:04:42 | DerPapst_ | seems like cabbie is broken for the gigabeast |
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| 02:53:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ugh... now I realize why I never bought an MTP-only device. |
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| 03:19:43 | Thundercloud_ | Heh what was LambdaCalculus37's problem I wonder? |
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| 03:35:29 | critter- | what do i use to add music files to a newly installed rockbox on linux ? |
| 03:36:23 | JdGordon|uni | copy music onto your dap |
| 03:37:49 | mokkurkalve | critter-: USB I guess ;) |
| 03:38:24 | critter- | should i create a mp3 directory in the root of the drive and just add stuff to it ? |
| 03:39:20 | mokkurkalve | critter-: You could make any directory... what player do you have BTW? |
| 03:47:13 | critter- | gigabeat, f40. sorry for delay |
| 03:52:06 | mokkurkalve | don't know anything bout that player, but rockbox is rockbox, just make some directory, add music, and access it either by simple file browser, or generate a tag database and browse that, rockbox allows for both approaches, I just use simple filebrowsing... |
| 03:52:57 | critter- | ok. thank you. i am guessing if i use the file browser method i could listen to all songs in the directory with shuffle on ? or would have to tag them first and then create a playlist |
| 03:53:27 | mokkurkalve | it's all described in the manual BTW http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 03:53:39 | critter- | ok. got it. thanks |
| 03:53:50 | mokkurkalve | in a directory you cold jus shuffle |
| 03:55:34 | mokkurkalve | if you want to shuffle all songs you must generate a playlist for all songs, just browse to root of player, make playlist and shuffle that |
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| 03:58:02 | boxerorange | hello all |
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| 04:00:55 | mokkurkalve | you can shuffle directories too, but this involves the use of a plugin: random_folder_advance_config |
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| 04:03:17 | critter- | thank you mokkurkalve |
| 04:06:23 | mokkurkalve | it's all in the zip you downloaded BTW, and rockbox generates it's own playlists, just transfer the music from your comp, and your set to go. good luck! |
| 04:08:22 | boxerorange | could somebody tell me what "fisk -l" DOES? |
| 04:08:53 | Shaid | google could, I bet. |
| 04:09:12 | Shaid | did you mean 'fdisk -l'? |
| 04:10:31 | boxerorange | er, yeah |
| 04:10:37 | mokkurkalve | "fisk" is "fish" in norwegian.... :) |
| 04:10:43 | critter- | i'm having a difficult time being able to play anything with rockbox. i've created a /media/GIGABEAT/mp3 folder and added files though creating playlists or just simply playing files is difficult for me on the F40. i'll see what the manual says |
| 04:11:25 | toffe82 | ?? |
| 04:11:58 | mokkurkalve | man fdisk |
| 04:13:25 | boxerorange | what's the point of iPod Diagnostics? |
| 04:13:48 | scorche | to help doagnose hardware issues |
| 04:14:15 | Shaid | to freak you out when you accidently activate it. |
| 04:25:07 | critter- | how do i enable album artwork ? |
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| 04:27:12 | cool_walking_ | critter: http://rockbox.org/wiki/AlbumArt |
| 04:29:26 | critter- | ty |
| 04:29:55 | boxerorange | if I'm going to disassemble something are pictures good enough? |
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| 04:34:35 | Llorean | High resolution scans are preferred, but as long as chip labels are clear, that's a good start. |
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| 04:36:59 | boxerorange | alright |
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| 04:48:23 | keanu | what's with the ad-like box on the main page? |
| 04:50:43 | Llorean | They're ads. |
| 04:51:52 | goffa | just curious.. is that a condition of google summer of code? |
| 04:52:01 | Llorean | Huh? |
| 04:52:15 | Llorean | The ads have nothing to do with Summer of Code, or Google for that matter. |
| 04:52:21 | goffa | figured those were google adwords |
| 04:52:38 | Llorean | Nope |
| 04:53:19 | goffa | ah... seemed to happen around the same time frame too.. .so i just assumed :) |
| 04:54:00 | keanu | they're actual ads? |
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| 04:56:30 | Llorean | That's what I said, yes. |
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| 04:56:52 | keanu | saw the message from the mail archive |
| 04:57:13 | keanu | The "Huh?" after "They're ads" threw me off a little ;) |
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| 05:01:54 | Harlequin0 | Any zune users here? |
| 05:03:37 | Llorean | Harlequin0: Probably not. It's not a Rockbox target. |
| 05:05:39 | Harlequin0 | ooh okay then =] |
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| 05:07:06 | boxerorange | well... |
| 05:07:11 | boxerorange | I couldn't even get the damn thing open. |
| 05:13:58 | TaylorKillian | lol, i had to look for the ad's, lol |
| 05:14:42 | critter- | whats a good forum to sell a rockbox enabled device ? |
| 05:15:17 | goffa | what you looking to sell critter-? |
| 05:15:28 | TaylorKillian | not a forum... but ebay? |
| 05:15:41 | critter- | a gigabeat f40. put rockbox on it today. decided i dont need it. its brand new |
| 05:16:05 | TaylorKillian | critter-: oh... i could actually use one of those |
| 05:16:10 | critter- | i received a sealed box today and decided to put rockbox on it. decide i just dont need it |
| 05:16:16 | TaylorKillian | critter-: how much? |
| 05:16:54 | critter- | ok. it seems to run just fine. how about $125 shipped ? its brand new. i got it today, opened the box, and hasn't really been used exceppt the past hour |
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| 05:17:24 | goffa | i've got an iriver h140 and an iaudio x5l 30gb.. reluctant to sell... even though i've got 2 gigabeat f60's |
| 05:17:31 | TaylorKillian | critter-: give me a sec |
| 05:18:25 | * | TaylorKillian is looking up prices on froogle |
| 05:18:59 | Llorean | TaylorKillian: $125 is a pretty fair price for "new" and not having to deal with auctions or anything. |
| 05:19:18 | goffa | yeah... they are getting harder to find |
| 05:19:27 | Llorean | I got mine for $99, but that was a company clearing out stock of 'em. |
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| 05:19:59 | critter- | i paid 150 + 15 shipping for it on ebay. it was the only sealed f40 there was. |
| 05:20:02 | goffa | my 60 giggers were ~$140 same deal.. clearance |
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| 05:20:14 | goffa | and timing |
| 05:20:38 | TaylorKillian | critter-: alright, sounds good, lemme pm you |
| 05:20:50 | critter- | sure. thanks everyone |
| 05:26:24 | TaylorKillian | critter-: did you get my pm's? |
| 05:26:31 | critter- | i didn't. |
| 05:26:44 | Llorean | You need to be registered to PM |
| 05:27:09 | critter- | i identified with nickserv. i pmed you and didn't get a response |
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| 08:28:43 | * | GodEater it appears tricky to find things not to like about the iphone (except of course for it's music playback ;) ) |
| 08:29:02 | * | GodEater has no idea why he "/me"'d the above |
| 08:29:19 | scorche | GodEater: lack of MMS? |
| 08:29:24 | scorche | searchable contacts? |
| 08:29:28 | scorche | closed system? |
| 08:29:38 | B4gder | made by apple? ;-) |
| 08:29:45 | scorche | lack of tactile keyboard? |
| 08:29:46 | GodEater | my last phone has MMS, and I barely used it |
| 08:29:53 | GodEater | think about 3 times in two years |
| 08:29:54 | GodEater | so I won't miss it |
| 08:30:08 | GodEater | I have no idea what you mean by searchable contacts |
| 08:30:19 | GodEater | they're there, I can search through them |
| 08:30:34 | scorche | we should remove codecs in rockbox to only the ones i use...i wont miss it, so obviously it isnt needed :) |
| 08:31:05 | GodEater | that's not fair - this is only my own personal opinion. If you like and use MMS then yes, clearly the iPhone is not for you |
| 08:31:21 | scorche | wait...why is this in #rockbox? |
| 08:31:37 | Llorean | GodEater: Not 3G? |
| 08:32:02 | GodEater | to be honest Llorean, I'm not sure I can tell the difference |
| 08:32:16 | GodEater | 3G seemed very poor on my previous phnoe |
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| 09:22:46 | amiconn | B4gder: ping |
| 09:22:50 | * | B4gder repongs |
| 09:23:11 | amiconn | Is there a reason why the beast is missing in the delta table? |
| 09:23:20 | B4gder | yes :-) |
| 09:23:27 | amiconn | why? |
| 09:23:32 | B4gder | because I haven't enabled any zips to get transfered |
| 09:23:38 | amiconn | aha |
| 09:23:46 | B4gder | as I forgot the delta table needs them |
| 09:23:54 | B4gder | so I'll just go and make it happen |
| 09:23:56 | amiconn | Also, why is the delta table in a very different order compared to the main build table? |
| 09:24:09 | B4gder | because the first table is alpha-sorted and the other isn't |
| 09:24:37 | amiconn | The main build table is also a bit strange. It seems to be sorted alphabetically by manufacturer/brand. But why is the Cowon D2 places before all Archoses? |
| 09:24:46 | amiconn | *placed |
| 09:25:09 | B4gder | that's not easy to spot, but it's because it is sorted on the full name and the full name isn't displayed in the table header |
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| 09:25:51 | amiconn | Oh, and the m:robes are between the fmr and the other archoses... but Olympus should come way later... |
| 09:26:16 | B4gder | yeah, but that's because the original archos models don't have the full names done the same way |
| 09:26:31 | B4gder | legacy all over ;-) |
| 09:26:38 | amiconn | Are the used full names visible somewhere, and could they be changed to be consistent? |
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| 09:27:17 | B4gder | in the build log |
| 09:27:28 | B4gder | they can be renamed, but then they will appear as new builds |
| 09:27:31 | amiconn | The gigabeats and sansas are also oddly placed |
| 09:27:55 | B4gder | not really, they follow the same rules |
| 09:28:00 | amiconn | ? |
| 09:28:26 | amiconn | I mean, of course they follow the full name sorting, but G clearly comes before S |
| 09:29:39 | B4gder | G? |
| 09:29:47 | B4gder | Toshiba vs Sandisk |
| 09:30:13 | amiconn | hmm |
| 09:30:40 | amiconn | I thought the gigabeat would be sorted by its brand name, hence Gigabeat vs. Sansa |
| 09:30:51 | B4gder | no, the full names have company names first |
| 09:30:56 | B4gder | well, apart from the Archoses |
| 09:31:00 | amiconn | But if it's manufacturers, all ipods and irivers are placed wrong |
| 09:31:14 | B4gder | if you just read the full names you'll see |
| 09:32:24 | B4gder | it's not really an issue I've bothered a lot with |
| 09:32:31 | B4gder | it works and I've been fine with it |
| 09:32:48 | amiconn | I can't find the full names in the build logs... |
| 09:33:02 | B4gder | top line |
| 09:33:23 | B4gder | date, full name |
| 09:33:39 | amiconn | ah |
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| 09:33:59 | amiconn | But then the irivers and ipods are still placed wrong. I clearly comes before S and T |
| 09:34:10 | LinusN | amiconn: it's probably case sensitive |
| 09:34:15 | B4gder | yes |
| 09:34:18 | amiconn | urgh |
| 09:34:26 | * | amiconn wouldn't have expected that |
| 09:34:39 | B4gder | haha |
| 09:34:46 | LinusN | me neither, bit still i haven't cared at all |
| 09:34:54 | B4gder | in a *nix world, everything is case sensitive by default |
| 09:35:15 | amiconn | You said alpha sorting, not internal code sorting... |
| 09:35:34 | B4gder | internal code? |
| 09:35:59 | LinusN | character code |
| 09:36:03 | amiconn | Well, alpha sorting is case insensitive by definition |
| 09:36:14 | amiconn | Otherwise it's not alphabetically anymore |
| 09:36:40 | LinusN | well, the alpha sorting code is still in beta :-P |
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| 09:37:46 | B4gder | foreach $t (sort keys %alltypes) ... |
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| 09:43:33 | cq | morning... quick question... any suggestions on what player to buy for best price/performance? Since the OS will be Rockbox,it should obviously support it, and usability reviews are less important... |
| 09:46:04 | B4gder | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide |
| 09:47:39 | cq | thanks, i was trying to fins stuff inteh forums... http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2007-01/0107.shtml |
| 09:48:39 | cq | wait, all are listed as not in production ??!? |
| 09:48:56 | scorche | ebay is a great place to get devices |
| 09:49:30 | B4gder | cq: exactly, no unit now in production has a full rockbox port yet |
| 09:50:01 | cq | i'm a bit wary of buying things wit hard drives over ebay.... or are HDDs reliable enough these days not to have to worry? |
| 09:51:37 | markun | cq: if you are an interested programmer you could of course buy a player and try to help port rockbox to it :) |
| 09:51:52 | scorche | there is always a risk, i suppose, but a good number of us have gotten them over ebay and been just fine |
| 09:51:54 | cq | interested programmer yes, time not so much ;) |
| 09:52:27 | scorche | i would trust ebay just fine as long as the device is not horribly abused (which is usually apparent from pictures) |
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| 09:53:08 | cq | hm, where can I find out what's supported? i.e. onthe current builds page ipod videos are listed, but i can't tell if a 6th generation is supported or not. |
| 09:53:22 | cq | i have an iriver h120, works really well, just want a second one as a car jukebox |
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| 09:54:07 | Llorean | The 6th generation isn't the "iPod Video" |
| 09:54:37 | cq | sorry, its the classic, youre right |
| 09:54:50 | Llorean | The players supported are listed on the front page of the site |
| 09:55:38 | cq | missed that, i was too deep in teh site already ;) ok, 6th gen not supported then, thanks |
| 09:55:48 | Llorean | For a car jukebox, I'd recommend a Gigabeat. |
| 09:56:16 | Llorean | Charges from USB (meaning easy to find car chargers), very cheap compared to other equivalent players, and works quite well. |
| 09:56:56 | advcomp2019 | cq, there is a few ports that is being worked on that you might want to look if you want to try to help out too |
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| 09:58:55 | cq | looking at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus now... |
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| 10:06:56 | markun | cq: on the main page of the wiki you will find the most active ports under 'New Ports' (except for the Tatung I think) |
| 10:07:38 | markun | although I'm not sure howmany of those are still in production :) |
| 10:10:53 | advcomp2019 | cq, i know cowon d2 is still in production right now |
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| 10:11:20 | scorche | rockbox isnt fully running on it though... |
| 10:14:20 | markun | the meizu might still be in production, but the port still has to really take off |
| 10:22:33 | Mouser_X | Since people seem to be up, would anyone be willing to build me some Linux tools? I still haven't been able to restore my S60... |
| 10:22:47 | Mouser_X | The hacked updater crashes on every machine I try it on. |
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| 10:23:21 | Mouser_X | As for jhMikeS's Windows sendfirm, it's spitting out a lot of errors when I try to use it. |
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| 10:27:11 | crazy_bus | daylight savings has ended and my clock is fast in rockbox. I can't seem to find the option to find it. Can anyone tell me where it is? |
| 10:27:55 | Mouser_X | Menu>settings>system> |
| 10:28:08 | Mouser_X | (Time & date?) |
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| 10:28:20 | Mouser_X | (It's around there somewhere.) |
| 10:32:13 | crazy_bus | ah thanks Mouser_X, I've found it now |
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| 10:47:38 | pondlife | Sometimes I think the daily builds are more trouble than useful - they seem to confuse users as to what we mean by current/latest build... |
| 10:48:13 | LinusN | the daily builds are more or less obsolete nowadays |
| 10:48:24 | pondlife | Maybe they should be referenced only by rev number, not by date. |
| 10:48:28 | B4gder | they're still somewhat usefull for their backlog |
| 10:48:39 | LinusN | and they are the only ones that build the voices |
| 10:49:11 | pondlife | I suggest we remove the date from the table and put the rev up front...http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=h300 |
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| 10:50:21 | dai_vernon | When I was new I was confused a bit |
| 10:50:32 | dai_vernon | but poking around lead me to what to di |
| 10:50:35 | dai_vernon | *do |
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| 10:53:48 | * | Mouser_X has never bothered with a daily build. |
| 10:54:09 | Mouser_X | I started using custom builds a few months after I got Rockbox... |
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| 10:57:27 | * | Llorean kinda wishes it were possible to more actively discourage use of dailies too |
| 10:58:23 | dai_vernon | Well, it's a common practice among open source communities |
| 10:59:15 | Llorean | dai_vernon: Why is that relevant? We provide bleeding edge builds instead. |
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| 11:00:13 | LinusN | i think dailies are a good thing, and i think it's bad that the bleeding edge builds are so dominant |
| 11:00:16 | Llorean | We've averaged something like 7.5 builds per day if you just take the number of revisions divided by the difference between today and r1 |
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| 11:00:45 | Llorean | LinusN: What advantages to dailies give to users who regularly use them? |
| 11:01:04 | LinusN | back in the days, the developers actually strived to make the dailes stable |
| 11:01:31 | Mouser_X | That was then. This is now. :P |
| 11:01:35 | B4gder | that was futile anyway |
| 11:01:38 | Llorean | I don't see how that'd be remotely possible with everyone on such disparate timeframes, though. |
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| 11:01:52 | LinusN | nowadays, the poor bug reporters are constantly bashed because they didn't try the latest and greatest bleeding edge build |
| 11:02:01 | Llorean | Depending on your work schedule, you're racing the clock before the daily build hits, or waiting for it to hit and hoping nothing crops up before the next one. |
| 11:02:48 | Llorean | LinusN: It's surprising how often that it *does* go away when they switch from the daily to the current. |
| 11:02:59 | Llorean | Especially considering how often they're using the previous daily, not even the current one. |
| 11:03:06 | B4gder | btw, gigabeat S is now in the delta table too |
| 11:03:06 | Llorean | Due to time zone differences. |
| 11:03:21 | B4gder | (and all lines below it are screwed up) |
| 11:03:36 | LinusN | and unfortunately, rockbox is currently quite fragile. every change in the playback code fixes one bug and introduces two more |
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| 11:05:14 | Llorean | If you ask people to use dailies rather than current builds, when a bug does crop up, you'll just be saying "Well, there's something committed that might fix it. Either build your own, or wait for the next daily" rather than saying "Please verify on the current build." |
| 11:05:22 | Llorean | I don't see how it's any different really |
| 11:05:44 | Llorean | Either way you don't know if the bug is fixed or not until they try it with the potential fixes that happened after their build was made |
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| 11:06:18 | Llorean | Even with "good" dailies this is true. |
| 11:07:03 | B4gder | the fragility is unfortunate, but I don't see how using dailies is a solution |
| 11:07:48 | Llorean | I think there is some problem with people just saying "Come back when you've updated to current" to every non-current bug report. |
| 11:07:52 | B4gder | if we'd keep every single revision in a backlog, we could have a system to "flag" somewhat stable ones |
| 11:07:59 | Llorean | There is a general level of impoliteness with how that's often delivered. |
| 11:08:06 | B4gder | true |
| 11:08:17 | B4gder | it needs to be delivered in a polite way |
| 11:08:24 | Llorean | Yes. |
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| 11:09:52 | Llorean | If we're flagging,, 17148 seems quite good to me right now. :-P |
| 11:10:08 | B4gder | hehe |
| 11:11:46 | B4gder | flagging is complicated as well |
| 11:11:55 | Llorean | Yeah. |
| 11:12:09 | Llorean | Who gets to flag, which factors take priority for making something be rated "good", etc. |
| 11:12:17 | B4gder | exactly |
| 11:12:26 | B4gder | and still no guarantee for anything really |
| 11:12:47 | Llorean | Well, if the bugs are documented, at least the user downloading it will have a warning for what problems to expect. |
| 11:13:28 | B4gder | sure, but documenting them for each flagged version is a lot of work |
| 11:13:28 | amiconn | And flagging doesn't help e.g. if one bug gets fixed that triggers another one for a different target |
| 11:13:33 | Llorean | We could just do quarterly pseudoreleases. Every 3 months, pick a build around then that seems "okay", document what we know is wrong with it, and update the documentation if anyone reports anything new. |
| 11:13:46 | B4gder | we could, yes |
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| 11:14:42 | Llorean | Though I wonder how popular that would be, or how much users would even care. |
| 11:15:18 | * | Mouser_X would continue using custom builds, and thus most likely "bleeding edge" for the time that the custom build was made. |
| 11:16:46 | LinusN | i wonder if it is possible to invent some kind of automated testing for the playback engine... my guess is "no way" :-/ |
| 11:16:57 | pondlife | I think most users will upgrade to the latest (current or daily) regardless of flags and/or releases... |
| 11:17:19 | Mouser_X | Newer users wouldn't. |
| 11:17:26 | Mouser_X | At least, I wouldn't, if I were a new user. |
| 11:17:33 | pondlife | My main point was that the rev number should be the main indicator of a build... the date is not important. |
| 11:17:38 | LinusN | maybe do it the other way around - flag "in flux" commits as unstable? |
| 11:17:58 | pondlife | Or allow users to put comments against daily builds? |
| 11:18:37 | pondlife | Might be positive or negative |
| 11:18:37 | pondlife | Not sure how you'd control the access, of course. |
| 11:19:14 | Mouser_X | Need wiki access? |
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| 11:19:44 | Mouser_X | (I don't know how easy it would be to work that way, but it's an idea.) |
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| 11:19:52 | * | pondlife would ideally like a binchop website that could do SVN custom builds for users trying to hunt down a reproducible bug... |
| 11:19:54 | B4gder | LinusN: tests could be done but it would need to be some kind of unit tests and that's a huge undertaking to add and setup now for it to even start being useful |
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| 11:20:02 | LinusN | back in the days, i compiled a test suite of "problem files" that i used to play once in a while to see if the playback worked (hwcodec) |
| 11:20:11 | * | pondlife has one of those |
| 11:20:33 | pondlife | I collect them off Flyspray |
| 11:21:02 | B4gder | I've played with the thought of being able to use the build server pool for such a build-a-custom-svn-version service |
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| 11:21:28 | pondlife | Could we automate the Rockbox UI somehow? |
| 11:21:41 | pondlife | On the sim, I mean |
| 11:22:04 | pondlife | I guess button presses could be popped in by a test app. |
| 11:22:30 | _cyanide | afternoon everyone |
| 11:22:40 | pondlife | Assuming SDL is well behaved, of course... but you'd probably need to listen to the audio output.. |
| 11:23:06 | Mouser_X | _cyanide: It's nowhere near afternoon here... |
| 11:23:13 | Mouser_X | Closer to midnight/4 am. |
| 11:24:21 | * | gevaerts disagrees with both Mouser_X and _cyanide. It's 11:24 AM |
| 11:24:31 | * | pondlife disagrees with gevaerts too |
| 11:24:40 | pondlife | We'll never agree... |
| 11:24:40 | _cyanide | a hello would've been better i guess |
| 11:24:44 | Mouser_X | gevaerts: I specified, _here_. |
| 11:24:51 | gevaerts | _cyanide: probably :) |
| 11:25:23 | _cyanide | im buying a sandisk sansa e280 soon, luckily, it rockbox seems to work well on that player |
| 11:25:48 | Mouser_X | It does, so long as you don't get a v2. |
| 11:25:55 | _cyanide | yeah |
| 11:26:27 | _cyanide | are they labelled well enough? or is it only possible to know which version it is via some cryptic way? |
| 11:26:44 | pondlife | Generally only by turning them on and checking the firmware version. |
| 11:26:45 | Mouser_X | The best way to know is the OF version. |
| 11:27:11 | pondlife | I had a v1 in what was allegedly v2 packaging. |
| 11:27:13 | Mouser_X | 1.x.blah.whatnot = v1. 3.x.blah.whatnot = v2. |
| 11:27:43 | * | Mouser_X has a v1 he ought to get rid of/sell... |
| 11:28:03 | Mouser_X | Unopened, but it's a refurb. |
| 11:28:09 | _cyanide | the v1 has been discontinued, correct? |
| 11:28:16 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
| 11:28:38 | _cyanide | ok |
| 11:29:31 | Mouser_X | Are there any Gigabeast users here willing to build me some Linux tools to restore/send firmware to my S60? |
| 11:31:56 | pondlife | I'm trying to test http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7980 . What's the keymap for H300 ACTION_STD_CONTEXT ? |
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| 11:39:37 | BigBambi | Mouser_X: What do you need> |
| 11:39:59 | LinusN | pondlife: why not have a look at apps/keymaps/keymap-h1x0_h3x0.c? |
| 11:40:00 | Mouser_X | sendfirm for one. I don't know what else I need. |
| 11:40:10 | pondlife | I did, but got confused |
| 11:40:12 | BigBambi | What are you trying to do? |
| 11:40:29 | Mouser_X | Restore my S60. It's been wanting firmware for over 24 hours now. |
| 11:40:29 | BigBambi | @ Mouser_X |
| 11:40:30 | pondlife | Now I understand - it's the context menu... |
| 11:40:34 | pondlife | Obvious! |
| 11:40:42 | Mouser_X | (I put it in recovery mode to format it.) |
| 11:40:47 | * | pondlife slaps forehead right into the monthly stats |
| 11:40:47 | BigBambi | Mouser_X: I can send you sendfirm and a patched bootloader |
| 11:41:08 | Mouser_X | BigBambi: That'd be nice. It'd allow me to put Rockbox on it... |
| 11:41:13 | BigBambi | OK, one mo |
| 11:41:46 | _cyanide | how good are the default sansa e280 ear/headphones? |
| 11:41:50 | Mouser_X | BigBambi: I have access to a Linux machine, but I don't have the tools. I figured that someone here could help alleviate that problem. |
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| 11:42:01 | BigBambi | No problem |
| 11:42:22 | Mouser_X | _cyanide: Default earphones are usually (not always) among the worst you can get. |
| 11:42:27 | Mouser_X | Saying that, I have no idea. |
| 11:43:28 | _cyanide | hmm |
| 11:43:43 | BigBambi | Mouser_X: http://98.130.155.226/rockbox/sendfirm |
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| 11:43:52 | * | Mouser_X never uses default earphones/buds. They rarely fit, and usually hurt. |
| 11:44:13 | _cyanide | they look crappy http://www.sandisk.com/Assets/File/Downloads/photos/retail/Sansae200/Sansa%20e200_earbuds_leaning%20back.jpg |
| 11:44:26 | _cyanide | ill probably buy those ear-canal earphones i guess |
| 11:44:57 | Mouser_X | BigBambi: How long will that stay up? The Linux machine only has 1 USB port. It'd be useful if I could download it from there, rather than have to use USB devices... And I can't use the Linux machine for a few hours. |
| 11:45:10 | BigBambi | Mouser_X: I can leave it there |
| 11:45:16 | BigBambi | Mouser_X: PM |
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| 12:30:36 | webguest89 | H140 Sim, what keys simulate quick menu ? |
| 12:31:27 | webguest89 | I'm trying to load my config in the simulator |
| 12:31:33 | BigBambi | webguest89: If you launch it with −−background you will see what key on the keyboard represents what key on the player |
| 12:32:09 | * | gevaerts wants those keys to be clickable |
| 12:32:10 | webguest89 | I dont understand, background ? |
| 12:32:26 | BigBambi | webguest89: You typed uisimulator or something similar to launch it |
| 12:32:36 | BigBambi | So type uisimulator −−background instead |
| 12:32:56 | webguest89 | do i type this in the run cmd window |
| 12:33:11 | BigBambi | gevaerts: I would really love rockbox as an app, with nice clickable things etc |
| 12:33:23 | BigBambi | webguest89: How did you launch the sim? |
| 12:33:35 | webguest89 | double click an icon |
| 12:33:48 | BigBambi | OK, yes, do it from a command prompt |
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| 12:34:14 | Mick | Morning |
| 12:34:18 | webguest89 | dos freaks :-) |
| 12:34:29 | BigBambi | Dos? No thanks |
| 12:34:35 | gevaerts | webguest89: no dos involved here, thanks :) |
| 12:34:54 | webguest89 | well you like to type full syntax, urrgh |
| 12:35:07 | BigBambi | Because it is more powerful? |
| 12:35:09 | * | gevaerts hates clicking |
| 12:35:10 | webguest89 | click an icon much easier |
| 12:35:21 | BigBambi | And lets you do exactly what you want |
| 12:35:29 | BigBambi | webguest89: Whatever, that is off topic |
| 12:35:58 | webguest89 | if you use it on a daily basis and can remember the exact syntax and the entire vicabulary that goes with it |
| 12:36:08 | BigBambi | webguest89: Stay on topic |
| 12:36:12 | webguest89 | thanks |
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| 12:36:41 | Mick | is the battery problem fixed for the gen5 ipod videos? |
| 12:36:44 | Mick | if anyone know |
| 12:36:47 | Mick | s |
| 12:36:50 | BigBambi | Which battery problem? |
| 12:37:00 | Mick | i thort there was a problem |
| 12:37:06 | BigBambi | What problem? |
| 12:37:10 | Mick | like the battery running out really quckly |
| 12:37:23 | Mick | when using rockbox |
| 12:37:37 | BigBambi | In recent months the runtime in rockbox has got significantly better if that is what you mean |
| 12:37:39 | Mick | but when useing apple lasted much longer |
| 12:37:44 | Mick | yeh |
| 12:38:21 | BigBambi | Mick: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges |
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| 12:38:51 | Mick | i like the new theme |
| 12:39:52 | webguest71 | i tried that uisimulator −−background in run and it doesnt recognise a error, so how do i call the quick menu please on the simulator |
| 12:40:04 | BigBambi | webguest71: Go to a command prompt |
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| 12:40:29 | BigBambi | Then navigate to the directory where you have downloaded the sim to |
| 12:40:43 | webguest71 | oh joy |
| 12:41:58 | PaulJam | webguest71: do you have a background.bmp in the same dir where the uisim executable is? |
| 12:42:36 | webguest71 | this stupid dos thing, one sec "navigating" to where it is |
| 12:42:51 | BigBambi | webguest71: Do you want help or not? If so, please stop bitching |
| 12:43:47 | webguest71 | yes I would like help, but please bear with me while I "Navigate" |
| 12:43:47 | BigBambi | webguest71: In fact, you can just double click on background.bat I think |
| 12:43:53 | PaulJam | hmm, wait it isn't called background.bmp but UI256.bmp (or something similar |
| 12:44:42 | BigBambi | webguest71: In the same directory as the uisimulator executable, just double click on background.bat instead |
| 12:45:09 | * | BigBambi just downloaded a win sim from rasher and looked inside the zip |
| 12:45:59 | webguest71 | ah that click on background worked a treat, thank you for your patience, and to hell with dos syntax |
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| 12:46:51 | linuxstb_ | Kids today... |
| 12:46:57 | BigBambi | I know... |
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| 12:47:12 | GodEater | linuxstb: did you get your Eee yet ? |
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| 12:49:48 | webguest71 | lol, err for your info, I am 48 years old, a flight engineer, and hate pc's hence my intense for anything that isn't simple |
| 12:50:07 | webguest71 | intense dislike |
| 12:50:29 | * | BigBambi never would have guessed |
| 12:51:06 | webguest71 | flying an aeroplane is much simpler than trying to get software working, I should say the kids of today, you guys have no idea of what user friendly is |
| 12:51:20 | webguest71 | but thanks anyway for your help |
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| 12:51:27 | * | GodEater will go apply for his pilot's license straight away |
| 12:51:47 | * | BigBambi shakes his head |
| 12:52:47 | Mick | is the ipod 80gb 5th gen 800mHa battery? |
| 12:52:51 | Mick | if anyone knows |
| 12:54:01 | GodEater | 750 I think |
| 12:54:07 | BigBambi | 640 mAh I remember reading, but don't quote me on it |
| 12:54:13 | BigBambi | haha |
| 12:54:17 | BigBambi | Any more offers? |
| 12:54:17 | Mick | tue |
| 12:54:22 | Mick | i thort 800 |
| 12:54:35 | * | GodEater has one here in front of him |
| 12:54:38 | Mick | so we all got different ansers |
| 12:54:39 | GodEater | it doesn't not say |
| 12:54:41 | GodEater | er |
| 12:54:43 | GodEater | does not say |
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| 12:55:02 | Mick | so godeat |
| 12:55:06 | Mick | 750? |
| 12:55:20 | webguest33 | What is RoLo? |
| 12:55:25 | BigBambi | Mick: People only get notified if you use the proper nick |
| 12:56:06 | Mick | hm |
| 12:56:10 | PaulJam | webguest33: i think RoLo stands for "Rockbox Loader" |
| 12:56:14 | Mick | do i sign up |
| 12:56:25 | BigBambi | Mick: No, you just type the full nick |
| 12:56:32 | Mick | k |
| 12:56:40 | BigBambi | And please use proper words |
| 12:56:58 | Mick | will do. next time. just poped in for some questions |
| 12:57:03 | Mick | thanks for your help |
| 12:57:14 | BigBambi | webguest33: It will load a different version of rockbox from inside the running one |
| 12:57:21 | BigBambi | webguest33: Very useful for testing |
| 12:57:22 | linuxstb | webguest33: Yes, RoLo is short for "Rockbox Loader" and is the feature (not implemented on all devices) that allows Rockbox to "play" a firmware file in the file browser to run it. |
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| 12:57:27 | GodEater | 850mah |
| 12:57:33 | GodEater | that's the one I bought for mine |
| 12:57:56 | BigBambi | GodEater: Is that an official or a bigger one? |
| 12:58:00 | * | GodEater apologises for any confusion |
| 12:58:11 | GodEater | BigBambi: the official one is unmarked, so impossible to say |
| 12:58:43 | BigBambi | I meant was that an official replacement, eben if different to the one that came with it |
| 12:59:24 | webguest33 | Ok thanks. It's talked about a fair bit & I couldn't find it's meaning |
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| 13:00:06 | BigBambi | I think 850 mAh is an extended life one from a quick google |
| 13:00:12 | BigBambi | So the original will be less |
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| 13:02:10 | BigBambi | hmm, http://www.ipodbatteryfaq.com/ipodbatteryandpower.html says 600 for the 80 GB |
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| 13:03:37 | * | gevaerts seems to remember that for batteries using similar technology, capacity is more or less proportional to weight |
| 13:07:29 | PaulJam | little comment for the deutsch.lang update: shouldn't line 4150 be 'mrobe100: "DISPLAY = Abbrechen"' in order to be consistent with the entrys for the other targets? |
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| 13:12:08 | * | jhMikeS is browsing his gigabeat in UMS mode |
| 13:12:16 | BigBambi | \ô/ |
| 13:12:24 | BigBambi | wooo, major congratulations |
| 13:12:40 | jhMikeS | another partition is showing up though |
| 13:12:55 | BigBambi | In windows I assume? |
| 13:13:05 | jhMikeS | yes, it's shows nk.bin and other (no directories) |
| 13:13:15 | BigBambi | wow :) |
| 13:13:25 | GodEater | well that's right |
| 13:13:26 | gevaerts | What were the remaining problems ? |
| 13:13:30 | GodEater | there are two partitions |
| 13:13:38 | GodEater | one for the firmware, one for everything else |
| 13:13:46 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: something in memory mapping I'll look into later but it works |
| 13:14:15 | gevaerts | That explains why it didn't make sense to me ;) |
| 13:14:18 | jhMikeS | I just threw all the buffers in that one unmapped 1MB section |
| 13:15:10 | * | gevaerts accuses jhMikeS of cheating ;) |
| 13:15:56 | jhMikeS | :) |
| 13:16:07 | markun | jhMikeS: man, really great news! |
| 13:17:08 | markun | I guess the gigabeat will not boot with only 1 partition, right? |
| 13:17:10 | jhMikeS | I'll have to look at the memory mapping but it least shows that this will work |
| 13:17:42 | jhMikeS | For UMS can't we mount the one rockbox is on? |
| 13:18:41 | jhMikeS | or whatever the proper term is for UMS |
| 13:19:18 | gevaerts | You could, but I'm not sure if that's a good thing to do. |
| 13:19:41 | jhMikeS | why not? |
| 13:19:44 | gevaerts | Does it still work if you set the firmware partition to one of these hidden types ? |
| 13:19:45 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 13:20:27 | jhMikeS | I don't know what works if you start changing things around but I don't want to render OF non-functional just yet. |
| 13:22:17 | jhMikeS | it sometimes doesn't work on first plug but it may be the case the transceiver should be reset in usb_enable...have to try that. |
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| 13:24:13 | gevaerts | Could you also try disabling the EHCI controller in windows ? I'd like to know if the full-speed problems are related to the force full speed bit, or if they are more general |
| 13:24:23 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: why is it not a good thing to use the MTP partition? we already do. |
| 13:25:04 | jhMikeS | I'm not forcing full speed here. |
| 13:25:06 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: maybe I misunderstood what you meant. |
| 13:26:01 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: (full speed issue) I know, from BigBambi's tests the force full speed doesn't seem to work. What I'd like to now is if "normal" full speed works (i.e. if the host doesn't have high speed) |
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| 13:26:33 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: what exactly did you mean by 'mount the one rockbox is on' ? |
| 13:27:07 | * | BigBambi is happy to do more testing if required |
| 13:27:15 | jhMikeS | the hidden partition is showing up in my explorer window, not the storage one |
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| 13:27:45 | gevaerts | So not both. What does the partition table look like ? |
| 13:27:58 | * | gevaerts doesn't know how to see that in windows... |
| 13:29:03 | * | jhMikeS wonders where/if he can even disable the EHCI |
| 13:29:31 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: you can, in the device manager. |
| 13:29:51 | gevaerts | EHCI stops working once you disable the driver |
| 13:32:19 | jhMikeS | which category of devices would that be (I'm very green on the USB front) |
| 13:32:38 | gevaerts | Universal Serial Bus Controllers |
| 13:32:59 | jhMikeS | I've got four host controller and four hubs |
| 13:33:14 | gevaerts | Some of the host controllers should be Enhanced |
| 13:33:31 | gevaerts | Those are EHCI. |
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| 13:35:11 | jhMikeS | yeah, one is enhanced, the others not |
| 13:35:27 | gevaerts | OK. Right click on the enhanced one, and select "disable" |
| 13:36:11 | jhMikeS | yeah, did that already. have to reboot. :\ |
| 13:36:19 | gevaerts | Really ? |
| 13:36:31 | * | gevaerts is a bit surprised. He does that here regularly... |
| 13:36:51 | jhMikeS | perhaps because I've got a printer there? |
| 13:37:22 | gevaerts | Maybe. You could try reenabling, disconnecting the printer, and disabling again |
| 13:39:38 | jhMikeS | bah, still won't let me |
| 13:39:42 | gevaerts | Or just ignore the reboot thing. It probably will behave as it should |
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| 13:40:13 | gevaerts | If you plug in a random USB device and it says that you should connect it to a faster port, EHCI is properly disabled |
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| 13:40:53 | jhMikeS | nope, still enabled |
| 13:41:02 | jhMikeS | brb |
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| 13:48:25 | gevaerts | welcome back :) |
| 13:48:40 | jhMikeS | I get that message, yes |
| 13:48:53 | jhMikeS | and the driver still mounts anyway |
| 13:48:55 | jhMikeS | *drive |
| 13:49:38 | gevaerts | Great. That means it's just an issue with this force bit that you shouldn't need anyway. |
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| 13:50:11 | jhMikeS | it always connects fine at high speed except for the trouble on first plug after booting |
| 13:51:34 | jhMikeS | the S locked up when I enabled the enhanced driver while still connected |
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| 13:52:22 | jhMikeS | doesn't it handle a reconnect ? |
| 13:52:23 | gevaerts | That forces a re-enumeration. |
| 13:52:40 | jhMikeS | doesn't like that at all |
| 13:52:49 | gevaerts | Maybe it doesn't handle fast reconnects too well |
| 13:54:16 | * | gevaerts isn't sure why... |
| 13:57:41 | jhMikeS | any other buffers it might try to use? that need to be non-cached device? |
| 13:58:21 | gevaerts | Maybe the one in usb_serial.c |
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| 13:58:37 | jhMikeS | I'm not using serial |
| 13:59:06 | gevaerts | I think for UMS the buffers should be fine now |
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| 14:00:13 | gevaerts | I'm not sure why you don't see the second partition. Can you look at the partition table ? |
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| 14:05:08 | jhMikeS | ok |
| 14:06:30 | gevaerts | I've just tested a usb flash drive with two partitions in XP, and it only shows one... |
| 14:06:57 | B4gder | "one partition ought to be enough for everyone" |
| 14:07:02 | BigBambi | Doesn't it depend on whether it reports as removable or not? |
| 14:07:15 | gevaerts | maybe |
| 14:07:51 | jhMikeS | what's the linux command to see that? |
| 14:08:10 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: try sfdisk -l |
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| 14:08:22 | BigBambi | I seem to remember reading somewhere that you can report as one of two things, and with one of those it only shows the first partition, but doesn't do all the recycle bin stuff, and with the other it acts more like a hard drive - you get all the partitions, but also all the recyling stuff |
| 14:08:39 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: also you could try removing the tb.inquiry->DeviceTypeModifier = DEVICE_REMOVABLE; at the very end of usb_storage.c |
| 14:08:45 | BigBambi | But, I could be horribly mis-remembering/making it up :) |
| 14:10:09 | jhMikeS | sfdisk -l doesn't print anything |
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| 14:10:31 | * | gevaerts adds stuff |
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| 14:10:45 | gevaerts | sfdisk -l /dev/sd<whatever letter was assigned> |
| 14:11:25 | jhMikeS | do I have to mount it first? |
| 14:11:48 | jhMikeS | it comes out on bus1 dev20 |
| 14:11:49 | gevaerts | no |
| 14:12:34 | gevaerts | It should say something like 'sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] 3963904 512-byte hardware sectors (2030 MB)' in the dmesg output. The 'sdb' is what you need |
| 14:13:06 | gevaerts | But http://www.techspot.com/vb/all/windows/t-18736-Why-is-it-not-possible-to-partition-a-USB-Flash-Stick.html seems to show that the DEVICE_REMOVABLE thing is the real issue |
| 14:13:11 | jhMikeS | how do you even find out which /dev path it's on |
| 14:14:26 | gevaerts | You can also use devices nodes from /dev/disk/by-id/ |
| 14:14:36 | gevaerts | Those could be easier to identify |
| 14:14:53 | jhMikeS | I just kept trying ad<a,b,c> - it was on c |
| 14:15:42 | gevaerts | That's also a way to do it :) |
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| 14:17:19 | jhMikeS | http://rafb.net/p/apgLex63.html |
| 14:18:08 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: looks good... |
| 14:18:41 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: in windows, you should be able to assign a drive letter from Computer Management->Disk Management |
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| 14:20:16 | jhMikeS | it doesn't seem to mind the reconnect when having VMWare grab the device or giving it back to windows |
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| 14:22:10 | jhMikeS | "The operation did not complete because the partition or volume is not enabled..." |
| 14:22:40 | BigBambi | Looks like the same error in gevaerts' link coz of the removable storage |
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| 14:23:41 | jhMikeS | I'll try it without the removeable guff |
| 14:24:33 | gevaerts | The "problem" is that then OSX will stop liking it... But if that helps, it will have to do for now |
| 14:24:33 | jhMikeS | should the modifier just be 0? |
| 14:24:37 | gevaerts | Yes |
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| 14:27:25 | * | JdGordon not sure what to think about the latest ml thread |
| 14:27:39 | jhMikeS | now I have two drives in exporer |
| 14:28:01 | BigBambi | \o/ |
| 14:28:11 | BigBambi | Without the removable storage? |
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| 14:28:17 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 14:29:36 | jhMikeS | TFAT/Local Disk |
| 14:30:23 | jhMikeS | being able to do drag/drop bootloader updates is kind of nice |
| 14:31:13 | BigBambi | :) |
| 14:31:15 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Is UMS mode in a bootloader build, or just Rockbox itself? |
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| 14:35:14 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: I just have enable it. |
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| 14:36:31 | jhMikeS | hmmm...it doesn't come out of sleep mode very nicely though |
| 14:38:03 | jhMikeS | if that's even it. something causes other threads to stop responding but the UMS is still accessible. |
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| 14:38:36 | jhMikeS | seems to happen after letting it sit idle while connected |
| 14:40:01 | * | gevaerts looks around for thread specialists :) |
| 14:41:41 | jhMikeS | messages are never posted to the queues unless the usb thread initiated it? I'm just wondering if anything could come up to flood them. |
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| 14:44:02 | gevaerts | There should only be one message per transfer completion, so it's basically rate-limited by disk performance |
| 14:44:21 | jhMikeS | what about interrupts for other things? |
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| 14:45:56 | preglow | LinusN: good idea |
| 14:46:00 | gevaerts | Those should be handled directly, not via the message queue |
| 14:46:19 | LinusN | preglow: thx |
| 14:46:30 | * | gevaerts wonders if the Steering Board can decide on DevCon dates ;) |
| 14:46:36 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: ok |
| 14:47:20 | jhMikeS | could be something with the tranceiver. can notifications be had about entering power conserving modes? |
| 14:47:43 | gevaerts | I don't know |
| 14:49:42 | jhMikeS | what contexts is usb_drv_set_test_mode called in? |
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| 14:50:24 | * | JdGordon hopes his reply makes sense |
| 14:50:28 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: only in response to a specific request coming from the host. It's only meant to be used for electrical (i.e. signal quality) tests |
| 14:50:54 | jhMikeS | I meant interrupt or thread? |
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| 14:51:06 | preglow | JdGordon: it makes sense, but i think i disagree :) |
| 14:51:10 | gevaerts | Ah, that would be thread |
| 14:51:25 | jhMikeS | ah, so a sleep can be there instead of udelay |
| 14:51:26 | preglow | part of the point of a steering boards would be the fact that it contains few people, if you ask me |
| 14:51:27 | * | Nico_P is reading the logs... congrats to jhMikeS! :) |
| 14:51:42 | preglow | if you load more people onto it, you'll just have the same old problem of people never agreeing |
| 14:52:09 | jhMikeS | and thanks to gevaerts for helping me through this :) |
| 14:52:10 | preglow | i think five sounds like a reasonable number to try out with |
| 14:52:48 | JdGordon | its easier to get majority with 10 people than it is with 5... |
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| 14:53:25 | preglow | i don't really hope any such committee will ever have to throw votes to agree on something |
| 14:53:38 | _cyanide | hi |
| 14:53:54 | JdGordon | preglow: isnt that the whole point though? |
| 14:54:33 | preglow | i'd really like a bit more talk involved than that. if all we want are votes, we can set up voting for committers on our board |
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| 15:03:44 | * | preglow kicks the eq |
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| 15:09:04 | JdGordon | who's going to join in the improptu tracker clean up? |
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| 15:16:30 | pondlife | JdGordon: How impromptu?? ;) |
| 15:16:42 | preglow | now! now! |
| 15:16:48 | JdGordon | started and stopped in all of 5 min :p |
| 15:17:00 | JdGordon | trying to decide if a patch should be commited or closed |
| 15:17:13 | JdGordon | 2648... |
| 15:18:50 | preglow | if it is to be commited, i'd prefer a manual update with that |
| 15:18:52 | pondlife | No opinion here, sorry |
| 15:19:03 | preglow | if the viewer has a manual entry... |
| 15:19:31 | JdGordon | I tihnk i will commit it.. I was more checking if that is still needed (if someone commited something similar)... looks like it wasnt |
| 15:19:36 | JdGordon | removing the next/prev thing though |
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| 15:19:48 | preglow | good |
| 15:19:57 | preglow | i was about to mention that |
| 15:20:22 | pondlife | Is it still synced, from July 2007? |
| 15:20:34 | preglow | viewer hasn't been touched much |
| 15:20:37 | JdGordon | viewer.c doesnt get much love |
| 15:22:52 | Nico_P | pondlife: hi! still having that dirskip crash? |
| 15:22:57 | JdGordon | oh bloody hell.... someone please tell me kva is in CREDITS already |
| 15:23:08 | pondlife | Nico_P: I haven't tried today, hang on... |
| 15:23:41 | Nico_P | JdGordon: who? what did he do? |
| 15:24:03 | JdGordon | this simple viewer.c patch... its fine to go in but he hasnt got a name with the patch |
| 15:24:12 | preglow | then it doesn't go in |
| 15:24:17 | Nico_P | ah, right |
| 15:24:38 | preglow | request a name and see what happens |
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| 15:24:43 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 15:24:45 | JdGordon | grrr |
| 15:24:51 | Nico_P | I'd suggest mailing him directly |
| 15:24:57 | preglow | yup |
| 15:25:59 | pondlife | Nico_P: I can still repro a non-crash weirdness with dir skip, on the H300 simulator with nearly default settings, if you're interested. |
| 15:26:14 | pondlife | It jumps lots and lots of dirs |
| 15:26:24 | Nico_P | I am |
| 15:26:40 | Nico_P | no more crash? weird |
| 15:26:43 | pondlife | OK, I suggest you make yourself an H300 sim, and reset settings. |
| 15:27:05 | pondlife | The crash was on targat, probably unrelated to this sim issue, but similar method |
| 15:27:16 | pondlife | I don't have the device with me at the moment |
| 15:27:50 | pondlife | See if you can repro this - you might need a large music collection though. |
| 15:27:54 | Nico_P | I have an H300 at hand ATM. I tested r17143 on it for quite a while and didn't have a single issue |
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| 15:28:33 | pondlife | I've been running 17143 with almost perfect results. One lock up which needed a pin, that's all. It was during buffering though.... |
| 15:29:11 | pondlife | Only happened once, so not much info to be gained |
| 15:29:37 | pondlife | If you can get a sim up, then enabled auto-dir-change (Yes), and disable Repeat... |
| 15:29:53 | Nico_P | building |
| 15:30:49 | Nico_P | I really want to get it as stable as possible before going further with audio_check_new_track |
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| 15:32:25 | * | Nico_P is doubtful about FS #8891 |
| 15:33:01 | pondlife | 8891 is odd |
| 15:38:18 | * | Nico_P thinks the sim keymaps lack consistency |
| 15:38:32 | pondlife | hehe, what are you looking for? |
| 15:38:43 | pondlife | Insert is MENU |
| 15:38:44 | Nico_P | I had to enalble the background |
| 15:39:01 | Nico_P | I just had a few flawless auto dir changes |
| 15:39:13 | pondlife | OK, it's only a problem if skips overlap, I think |
| 15:39:31 | pondlife | Go to a dir in the middle of your collection, and play track 1 |
| 15:39:45 | Nico_P | what do you mean by "skips overlap"? |
| 15:40:01 | pondlife | If you skip directories faster than Rockbox can keep up |
| 15:40:10 | pondlife | Make sure you have dircache off |
| 15:40:21 | pondlife | (Which it should be with default settings.) |
| 15:40:39 | Nico_P | yep it's off |
| 15:40:53 | pondlife | OK, so when it's playing track 1, keep pressing LEFT repeatedly |
| 15:40:59 | Nico_P | so then what do I do? skip ack and forth between a dir and the previous one? |
| 15:41:14 | Nico_P | ok |
| 15:41:17 | pondlife | That's one way, but it seems easier just to keep going back |
| 15:41:45 | pondlife | Keep going back one track at a time, and at some point it should seem to go slow, then return to the file browser |
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| 15:42:20 | pondlife | i.e. just keep on tapping on the LEFT key |
| 15:42:27 | Nico_P | it worked ok. I was on track 1, pressed left a bunch of times and got to track 12 of 18 of the prev album |
| 15:42:33 | pondlife | Keep going |
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| 15:42:58 | pondlife | It's timing related, but always happens here |
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| 15:43:20 | pondlife | I'm using a slow (network) drive, that's probably a factor. |
| 15:43:29 | Nico_P | oh, indeed |
| 15:43:46 | pondlife | Why should that matter? |
| 15:44:42 | pondlife | Sometimes it ends up in the WPS but not playing nor locked - stalled, but pressing STOP will lock it |
| 15:44:45 | Nico_P | it shouldn't of course, but there probably are some weaknesses with timing |
| 15:45:15 | pondlife | I know this is "abuse" but thought it might be a useful way to investigate threading stuff |
| 15:45:22 | Nico_P | yes I agree |
| 15:45:52 | pondlife | It's 100% reproducible here, and when I say slow, it's just a drive on another XP machine across the room. |
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| 15:46:59 | preglow | JdGordon: it seems kva is just the guy who synced the patch |
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| 15:47:07 | preglow | JdGordon: you'd want the name for rubbergove |
| 15:47:12 | preglow | rubberglove |
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| 15:47:38 | JdGordon | hmm... I didnt actually look at the previous patches |
| 15:47:39 | JdGordon | ok |
| 15:48:02 | preglow | syncing doesn't really give you copyright, i'd imagine |
| 15:48:15 | pondlife | hehe, no |
| 15:48:26 | JdGordon | well.. kva did add a fair bit |
| 15:48:41 | * | pondlife wonders if Slasheri wants to hand playback.c's copyright over to Nico_P.... |
| 15:49:32 | preglow | both can have it |
| 15:49:55 | preglow | unless it's really apparent none of slasheri's work remains, which i kind of doubt |
| 15:49:56 | * | JdGordon hates those bloody (c) notices :p |
| 15:50:43 | preglow | i guess slasheri can have a 200x-2007 copyright, with nico_p a 2007-2008 |
| 15:51:00 | pondlife | I just thought that Slasheri might sleep better at night, not being associated with playback.c ;) |
| 15:51:13 | pondlife | (Although, to be fair, it's getting much better now.) |
| 15:51:22 | preglow | hahaha |
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| 15:53:01 | Nico_P | the structure is still Slasheri's |
| 15:53:20 | Nico_P | but svn would probably blame me for most of the file by now |
| 15:53:45 | JdGordon | and we will for the parts it doesnt :p |
| 15:53:49 | preglow | in which case i think my last proposal is The Most Correct |
| 15:54:03 | * | preglow runs off to the store |
| 15:54:09 | Nico_P | I think so too |
| 15:54:23 | Nico_P | (about the proposal, not the store) |
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| 15:58:36 | * | Nico_P remembers he was a bit quick to put his name in gwps-common.c |
| 15:58:40 | Nico_P | I should correct that |
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| 16:16:54 | pondlife | Nico_P: Will you be able to try a networked drive and a sim (running rockboxui −−root n:) ? |
| 16:17:20 | Nico_P | I might be able to set it up |
| 16:17:27 | Nico_P | but it would take me some time |
| 16:17:31 | pondlife | Well, no rush... |
| 16:17:40 | pondlife | I'll see if I can find a more suitable case! |
| 16:17:45 | Nico_P | maybe an sshfs mount would do? |
| 16:18:39 | Nico_P | I think I'll go over the code and try to make it more robust |
| 16:19:16 | pondlife | There are some LOWDATA tests - I bet one of those is being triggered... |
| 16:19:45 | Nico_P | in tue buffering thread? |
| 16:19:51 | Nico_P | s/tue/the |
| 16:20:12 | pondlife | Can't remember - don't have the source in front of me at the moment either |
| 16:21:07 | Nico_P | the buffering thread calls the low buffer callback a bit too often in my taste |
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| 16:32:04 | kugel | Someone should update http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ViewPorts |
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| 16:32:50 | gevaerts | kugel: you should know by now what 'someone should' means around here ;) |
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| 16:33:17 | kugel | gevaerts: Of course :) |
| 16:33:28 | kugel | But I have hope! |
| 16:34:31 | Nico_P | someone should really finish my work on playback.c |
| 16:35:02 | BigBambi | haha |
| 16:35:20 | kugel | Nico_P: Ah, I wanted to say, that your latest commits to that file work well (r17109 in particular) |
| 16:35:29 | Nico_P | thanks :) |
| 16:35:37 | pondlife | someone should really pester Nico_P to get someone to fix playback.c :) |
| 16:35:42 | * | gevaerts looks around for people to finish the usb stack |
| 16:35:58 | pondlife | gevaerts: I'm sure someone will do that soon. |
| 16:36:34 | gevaerts | :) |
| 16:36:36 | pondlife | kugel: The term you meant was "someone else".... |
| 16:36:40 | kugel | Nico_P: Skipping is so nice now |
| 16:37:03 | Nico_P | I'm glad it's noticeable. |
| 16:37:41 | kugel | I guess reducing the wait time to skip backwards from 2s to near 0s is indeed noticable :) |
| 16:40:42 | saratoga | why is playback.c so difficult to fix? |
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| 16:41:37 | Nico_P | saratoga: concurrency, many edge cases |
| 16:41:52 | Nico_P | interaction with the playlist |
| 16:41:52 | pondlife | saratoga: It's getting much better - it was rather uncommented and somewhat full of race conditions. |
| 16:43:16 | * | scorche|sh smirks at petur |
| 16:44:22 | pondlife | Nico_P: I reckon you have attained the status of playback guru. Can I suggest you write a book about your experiences, or seek therapy, or write up all you know on the wiki. And soon, before the knowledge takes you down in an attempt to stay hidden. |
| 16:44:32 | Nico_P | saratoga: it used to be a very long file too, with voice, codec, playback and buffering mixed |
| 16:44:54 | Nico_P | pondlife: hehe, yeah :) |
| 16:45:04 | Nico_P | I still need to make that skipping diagram |
| 16:45:08 | pondlife | Nico_P: I did not add a smiley. |
| 16:45:16 | pondlife | Yet... ;) |
| 16:45:38 | Nico_P | :) |
| 16:46:12 | pondlife | A documentation session would be very useful for future generations... |
| 16:46:25 | pondlife | ...and me |
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| 16:48:45 | * | Nico_P fires up OODraw |
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| 16:55:18 | * | GodEater does the "playback.c being documented in OODraw" dance |
| 16:55:29 | GodEater | it's quite complicated, and I shall fall over a lot |
| 16:55:31 | * | pondlife googles |
| 16:56:28 | * | n1s reads good news about usb in the logs, great work jhMikeS! :D |
| 16:57:12 | * | LambdaCalculus37 gives jhMikeS a beer for USB :D |
| 16:57:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | The Gigabeat S port is really shaping up now! |
| 16:57:40 | pondlife | I missed that, was it the beast? Or high speed? |
| 16:57:54 | n1s | pondlife: beast |
| 16:58:19 | pondlife | Does it suffer from the "signal quality" or "hub" issues too? |
| 16:58:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | I await the day my beast does the "Happy Rockbox Port" dance. |
| 16:59:32 | pondlife | I await the day that PortalPlayer USB is enabled (including the Sansa SD fix, natch) |
| 16:59:52 | * | gevaerts promises to look into the hub thing again soon |
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| 17:00:29 | pondlife | My e200 is USB-ing like a champ at full speed, not had any corruptions or anything. |
| 17:00:47 | pondlife | I've not tried high-speed yet though... |
| 17:01:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: Full Speed is working great on my iPod video. |
| 17:01:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | No file corruptions of any sort. |
| 17:01:31 | pondlife | So why can't we enable it in SVN? |
| 17:01:44 | gevaerts | I expect that we can work around the SD issue by not doing simultaneous USB and SD operations |
| 17:01:58 | gevaerts | I haven't tested that yet though |
| 17:02:01 | saratoga | doing so on the ipods would seem safe enough, you can't brick one of those |
| 17:02:11 | saratoga | i'd worry about the sansa though |
| 17:02:21 | pondlife | I thought that issue was purely an SD thing - i.e. a copy from internal to SD without USB could corrupt...? |
| 17:03:06 | gevaerts | It could, but nobody ever saw this from file operations within rockbox |
| 17:03:37 | pondlife | Ah, ok.. I misunderstood some log text then |
| 17:04:35 | * | gevaerts suddenly thinks... I have to retest that using IRAM as well. Maybe it's exactly the same DMA vs CPU SDRAM access issue as USB... |
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| 17:06:41 | * | gevaerts knows what to do tonight |
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| 17:08:36 | xlizard | hi thre |
| 17:10:36 | GodEater | did jhMikes post a patch for his working usb yet ? |
| 17:10:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | saratoga: I've been using high speed USB on my iPod for some time now. I've never had an issue with it. |
| 17:10:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Haven't seen one yet. |
| 17:11:12 | xlizard | i've got a mp3 player on ebay (http://www.ithome.biz/ebay/mp4/img/mpmusic1_zoom.jpg) but fail to identify it ... anybody knows this device? inside it runs on an rockchip rk2608a and have 4g flash manf. samsung |
| 17:11:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | xlizard: Won't work with Rockbox. |
| 17:11:55 | xlizard | LambdaCalculus37, ok, most important question answerd :) |
| 17:12:00 | * | pondlife might have to buy an SD card... |
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| 17:12:33 | xlizard | LambdaCalculus37, do you know the manf. ? |
| 17:13:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | A lot of supported and future Rockbox players have Samsung parts in them. |
| 17:13:10 | saratoga | xlizard: probably some chinese generic |
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| 17:14:14 | UnaKRon | Hola |
| 17:14:38 | UnaKRon | Anyone on? |
| 17:14:46 | saratoga | 134 people |
| 17:14:56 | xlizard | well, not the result i hoped, but thanks ... |
| 17:15:00 | UnaKRon | ...awake or not AFK is what i meant; P |
| 17:15:19 | xlizard | 133 now ... good by :) |
| 17:15:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | I think plenty of us are awake. |
| 17:15:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | Do you have a question? |
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| 17:15:52 | saratoga | i think i'm going to just commit the c200 battery calibration i came up with |
| 17:15:58 | saratoga | its been a week and no one else has commented |
| 17:16:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | saratoga: Sounds great. |
| 17:16:14 | * | LambdaCalculus37 will test it tonight |
| 17:16:17 | UnaKRon | So I picked up a Dell c640 second hand and the darn HD is password protected. I'm not looking to get the data back just be able to Fdisk it and move on. its a hitachi 60gb |
| 17:16:34 | toffe82 | I think it would be good to modify the main rockbox page to include a coming soon panel with a list of player already running some code (displaying something from rockbox) with a link to the new port forum. So perhpas we can attract more people ( the ones who doesn't want to browse the different page.. |
| 17:16:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | UnaKRun: And what does that have to do with Rockbox? |
| 17:17:05 | UnaKRon | there is a ATApwd page on how to unlock |
| 17:17:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | toffe82: Sounds like a good idea. |
| 17:17:10 | UnaKRon | was hoping somene could help. |
| 17:17:35 | * | LambdaCalculus37 points the channel name to UnaKRon, and the topic |
| 17:18:11 | UnaKRon | All i see in the Webclient is "Rockbox" sorry |
| 17:18:23 | n1s | toffe82: seeing how unpredictable the speed of progress is I think that would only attract more questions of the "When will rockbox for X be ready?" typ... |
| 17:18:24 | n1s | e |
| 17:19:11 | toffe82 | this is the downside ;) |
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| 17:21:35 | n1s | but maybe I am too negative. it could perhaps have a "In _early_ development" section or something as to not imply that they will soon be usable. |
| 17:22:07 | saratoga | the current status page linked from the front page could be cleaned up a little more i guess to make it clear that some ports are actually running in some state |
| 17:23:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | Which means listing the D2, Gigabeast, and m:robe 500, right? |
| 17:23:23 | Nico_P | pondlife: here? |
| 17:23:29 | pondlife | Yes |
| 17:23:29 | toffe82 | and the sa9200 |
| 17:23:29 | * | LambdaCalculus37 wonders if the ZVM will be part of that list |
| 17:23:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ah, that's right. |
| 17:23:59 | saratoga | so many interesting targets coming up |
| 17:24:04 | toffe82 | I think that if they run some code and display something on the screen, it is a good start |
| 17:24:34 | Nico_P | pondlife: http://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/rockbox/audio_skip.pdf |
| 17:24:58 | pondlife | Great! |
| 17:25:49 | pondlife | A bit of text would be good too - to explain the stuff you found out (like when the playlist_next() must happen, and when the WPS changes over). |
| 17:25:58 | toffe82 | also when you google alternative firmware and the name of the player they could show up also, not only the target working, so more person would know that there is work on more player |
| 17:26:07 | pondlife | It's the silly details that get forgotten.... |
| 17:26:19 | Nico_P | pondlife: the wps "changes over" too often actually |
| 17:26:31 | Nico_P | but yeah |
| 17:27:27 | pondlife | Also, how a manual and auto skip differ... |
| 17:27:43 | pondlife | (and what triggers the audio_initiate_track_change() call, maybe) |
| 17:28:12 | Nico_P | yes, I have this in my original diagram (the one I'm copying from) |
| 17:29:31 | pondlife | This documentation will be useful for unification, one day, I hope... |
| 17:29:37 | Nico_P | pondlife: an automatic skip involves some PCM clalback magic I won't put there |
| 17:29:43 | pondlife | Why not? |
| 17:29:44 | Nico_P | (twoards the end) |
| 17:29:49 | pondlife | Maybe in a different colour? |
| 17:29:55 | Nico_P | it would complicate things i think |
| 17:29:59 | pondlife | Or a second diagram? |
| 17:30:05 | Nico_P | maybe a second one, yes |
| 17:30:42 | pondlife | This should all end up at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoftwareCodecPlayback I suppose |
| 17:31:01 | pondlife | And a quick fact-check of the existing text. |
| 17:31:11 | pondlife | (I fear it's not correct any more.) |
| 17:31:37 | Nico_P | that page needs an update, yes |
| 17:34:59 | Nico_P | pondlife: updated. same link |
| 17:35:25 | pondlife | That's clear enough |
| 17:35:29 | amiconn | pondlife, LambdaCalculus37: Rockbox usb on portalplayer isn't that great atm. It works for me, but only on root ports, and even there I get occasional bus resets |
| 17:35:50 | amiconn | No corruption though - but then I only have small H10 and Mini G2 |
| 17:36:28 | pondlife | amiconn: But you can still use the OF. Would you think it essential to wait until these problems are resolved before enabling it in SVN? |
| 17:36:50 | toffe82 | Nico_P: is there a way to have a program like sendfirm but that read instead of write, to see if we can retrieve the firmware on the T400 for example |
| 17:37:15 | amiconn | yes |
| 17:37:34 | amiconn | (@ pondlife) |
| 17:37:46 | toffe82 | :) |
| 17:38:12 | Nico_P | toffe82: I don't think the firmware file is accessible via MTP. |
| 17:38:30 | Nico_P | I'm really not sure though. my knowledge of MTP is *very* limited |
| 17:40:34 | GodEater | Nico_P: it must be, or sendfirm wouldn't work ? :) |
| 17:41:04 | Nico_P | what I mean is I don't think you can retrieve it the same way you can send it |
| 17:41:27 | linuxstb | I would be surprised if you can read firmware files via MTP - why would you need to? |
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| 17:42:15 | gevaerts | Isn't that actually one of the reasons that manufacturers like MTP ? |
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| 17:42:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | Quite possibly. |
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| 17:42:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | Personally, I'd much prefer MSC. |
| 17:43:07 | * | GodEater would be surprised if you can't get at it with MTP too |
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| 17:45:49 | toffe82 | via MTP you can read file on the drive, when you sync with media player, it retreive all the files, why it should be possible? |
| 17:46:33 | * | gevaerts doesn't follow |
| 17:47:21 | GodEater | I think he means "why shouldn't it be possible?" |
| 17:47:29 | toffe82 | yes |
| 17:47:44 | GodEater | and I agree with him :) |
| 17:48:04 | GodEater | as far as I could tell the only thing sendfirm does different to mtp-sendfiles, is specify a different partition |
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| 17:48:12 | GodEater | I see no reason why it shouldn't be possible to retrieve the same file |
| 17:48:34 | gevaerts | It's much easier to block this though |
| 17:48:44 | toffe82 | it would be good to try , on the S for example |
| 17:52:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | That sounds good. |
| 17:53:46 | Nico_P | if you can get the id of the firmware file, it might be possible. however I doubt the firmware file gets an id |
| 17:54:13 | * | Nico_P tries |
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| 17:56:19 | Nico_P | wow, rockbox.tar is appearing a bunch of times in my mtp file listing |
| 17:57:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | How many times so far? |
| 17:57:46 | linuxstb | Nico_P: That's not surprising - I would expect it to be there as many times as you've copied it. |
| 17:57:58 | linuxstb | (the MTP database won't know the file was deleted) |
| 17:58:22 | Nico_P | linuxstb: indeed |
| 17:58:27 | Nico_P | LambdaCalculus37: 19 times |
| 17:59:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | Nico_P: Invasion of the Rockboxes. :) |
| 17:59:30 | Nico_P | Getting file/track 267386880 to local file test.bin. Error getting file from MTP device. |
| 17:59:49 | Nico_P | the ID I gave was the one sendfirm had returned |
| 17:59:52 | toffe82 | Nico_P: can you try the nk.bin |
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| 18:01:02 | Nico_P | toffe82: nk.bin doesn't appear in the file listing so it probably won't work |
| 18:01:04 | * | Nico_P tries |
| 18:01:51 | Nico_P | hmm yeah you need to give mtp-getfile a file ID anyway |
| 18:02:04 | Nico_P | it doesn't accept filenames |
| 18:02:20 | toffe82 | there is not a function read a partition ? |
| 18:02:33 | toffe82 | getfile is to download the file |
| 18:02:43 | toffe82 | there is not a read ? |
| 18:02:46 | gevaerts | No. That's what MTP is about |
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| 18:04:01 | Nico_P | there seems to be a storage thing |
| 18:04:12 | Nico_P | (I'm reading the libmtp source) |
| 18:05:54 | * | Nico_P might whip up a quick test program |
| 18:06:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | Nico_P: A few apps like Gnomad2 can allow simple data storage on MTP devices. |
| 18:07:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | The Creative devices allowed you to take advantage of it. |
| 18:07:54 | Nico_P | yes, but libmtp seems to have some calls that I haven't seen used |
| 18:07:59 | linuxstb | Anyone have any ideas about how end-users will be able to install Rockbox on the S yet? |
| 18:08:33 | Nico_P | under linux: with sendfirm. under windows: with jhMikeS' firmware updater (?) |
| 18:08:37 | linuxstb | Is the nk.bin file now 100% Rockbox code, or is it a modified version of the OF? |
| 18:08:45 | Nico_P | it can be either |
| 18:09:26 | Nico_P | I think 'make' in a bootloader build produces a valid nk.bin with only rockbox code, but it is also possible to patch an OF BL |
| 18:09:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | It is. |
| 18:09:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | I have a patched OF bootloader on mine. |
| 18:09:56 | Nico_P | me too |
| 18:10:14 | linuxstb | Is jhMikeS's tool reliable? I thought I read (in -community?) that someone couldn't make it work? |
| 18:10:16 | Nico_P | the plain rockbox nk.bin boots rockbox *much* faster too IIRC |
| 18:10:26 | BigBambi | linuxstb: Mouser_X has had trouble with it |
| 18:10:26 | Nico_P | Mouser_X had a bit of trouble AFAIK |
| 18:10:36 | * | Nico_P leaves for a bit |
| 18:11:08 | BigBambi | linuxstb: As I understnad it, you need to uninstall windows normal MTP/USB stuff, install it and use it, but then other usb doesn't work properly so you have to put it all back to use USB normally |
| 18:11:18 | BigBambi | i.e. a royal pain in the arse |
| 18:11:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | I just kept the patched OF bootloader on until USB is fully enabled, then I'll switch to a 100% Rockbox BL. |
| 18:12:50 | BigBambi | linuxstb: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080416#12:55:49 |
| 18:13:01 | BigBambi | jhMikeS's explanation |
| 18:13:15 | BigBambi | you have to piss around making infs and things as well |
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| 18:14:19 | linuxstb | Ah, so it's still using libmtp/libusb? |
| 18:14:45 | linuxstb | I would have thought it would have been possible with the native windows MTP lib (I'm assuming there's one...) |
| 18:18:41 | * | jhMikeS just copied the first build to the 'beast using UMS :) |
| 18:19:22 | toffe82 | :) |
| 18:19:35 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: do you have a usb hub ? It would be interesting to know if it works properly over a hub |
| 18:19:56 | BigBambi | jhMikeS: \ô/ |
| 18:20:06 | BigBambi | How do I do a screenshot in the sim? |
| 18:20:47 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Did you ever investigate the possibility of using native windows MTP functions? |
| 18:20:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | :) |
| 18:21:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | BigBambi: F5. |
| 18:22:03 | BigBambi | LambdaCalculus37: thanks |
| 18:22:37 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: can try it |
| 18:23:27 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: a little bit but I wanted to just get up and running fast |
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| 18:24:28 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: there were some of sneaky little uses of UNCACHED_ADDR but now there's just a DEVBSS_ATTR on IMX31 that places data in the 1MB uncached section and things seem ok now. |
| 18:24:37 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Of course. I'm thinking ahead to creating a user-friendly install tool... |
| 18:25:10 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: would be nice to have. using sendfirm on windows is just a pita. |
| 18:25:33 | * | linuxstb starts researching beastpatcher |
| 18:25:46 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: we'll have to clean these up properly sometime |
| 18:26:05 | * | jhMikeS goes to plug into a hub |
| 18:26:39 | * | linuxstb finishes the 73MB SDK download for the Windows MTP SDK, but it won't install with Wine... |
| 18:27:00 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: when do we get to try the patch? :) |
| 18:27:20 | * | linuxstb hugs cabextract |
| 18:28:21 | jhMikeS | worked fine |
| 18:28:36 | * | BigBambi is on tenterhooks |
| 18:28:38 | jhMikeS | I'll put one up pronto |
| 18:28:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: Great work! |
| 18:29:13 | jhMikeS | thanks. and /me thanks gevaerts again for cluing him in on many things. |
| 18:29:34 | * | gevaerts did that only to get non-PP testing of this stack ;) |
| 18:30:16 | toffe82 | linuxstb: this can help also http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=A2E73160-E862-4F19-BB26-C0CAFE798955&displaylang=en |
| 18:30:34 | toffe82 | it is the Media Transfer Protocol Porting Kit |
| 18:31:02 | jhMikeS | There were some UNCACHED_ADDR uses that should have been flushed first but that's fixed too |
| 18:31:42 | jhMikeS | http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/gigabeat-S-UMS5.diff |
| 18:32:47 | jhMikeS | I still don't know why it often needs to be plugged and replugged right after boot though so if it doesn't connect the first time, just do it again. |
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| 18:33:38 | linuxstb | toffe82: Yes, I'm there already - I found this page as a starting point: http://opensource.creative.com/mtp_enum.html |
| 18:39:50 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: do you know that an usb serial build will fail to compile? |
| 18:40:23 | jhMikeS | no, I didn't try that yet |
| 18:40:35 | jhMikeS | what errors? |
| 18:41:31 | Nico_P | http://pastebin.ca/988431 |
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| 18:43:09 | * | jhMikeS will put up a fixed patch momentarily |
| 18:44:52 | BigBambi | jhMikeS, gevaerts: With the latest patch I get http://www.pastebin.ca/988433 |
| 18:45:02 | jhMikeS | http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/gigabeat-S-UMS6.diff |
| 18:46:36 | * | Nico_P isn't as lucky as BigBambi |
| 18:46:53 | gevaerts | BigBambi: what did you do with the partition table ? |
| 18:47:04 | BigBambi | gevaerts: Nothing, just a normal S |
| 18:47:11 | BigBambi | It boots Rockbox and the OF fine |
| 18:48:18 | gevaerts | really strange |
| 18:48:30 | jhMikeS | do try a second connect |
| 18:48:34 | BigBambi | I get the same with v6 |
| 18:48:36 | jhMikeS | withtout a rb reboot |
| 18:48:42 | BigBambi | jhMikeS: OK |
| 18:48:56 | BigBambi | jhMikeS: Same again |
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| 18:49:12 | jhMikeS | from physically plugging and unplugging? |
| 18:49:16 | * | Nico_P gets error -110 |
| 18:49:18 | BigBambi | jhMikeS: Yep |
| 18:49:46 | * | jhMikeS thought that windows was the one being bad before |
| 18:50:23 | * | gevaerts knows that -110 is timeout, but doesn't know what caused this |
| 18:50:26 | BigBambi | In the rockbox debug/partitions screen P:0 S:40 T:B 150 MB and P:1 S:4B040 T:B 57081 MB |
| 18:50:45 | Nico_P | my beast seems to freeze the moment I plug USB in |
| 18:51:39 | BigBambi | Mine doesn't freeze, but I can plug and unplug as many times as I want and the dmesg looks the same - unknown partition type |
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| 18:54:36 | jhMikeS | One thing I didn't do was use USB_SERIAL if that could matter |
| 18:55:19 | Nico_P | I disabled it to be able to build |
| 18:55:39 | BigBambi | I didn't, it built fine with a normal build |
| 18:55:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: Just performed a run with test_disk enabled on the beast; want me to post the results? |
| 18:56:19 | jhMikeS | LambdaCalculus37: of course |
| 18:57:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: What's the driver revision on the S? |
| 18:57:28 | gevaerts | BigBambi: can you read from the device with dd ? |
| 18:57:42 | BigBambi | gevaerts: I can try - suggested command? |
| 18:58:35 | gevaerts | dd if=/dev/sdb of=/tmp/image bs=512 count=64 |
| 18:59:03 | BigBambi | gevaerts: seems OK |
| 18:59:04 | jhMikeS | LambdaCalculus37: which driver? |
| 18:59:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | The disk driver. |
| 18:59:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | Is it still r16370? |
| 18:59:32 | gevaerts | BigBambi: Now you can hexdump that and see if you find a FAT bootsector :) |
| 18:59:43 | BigBambi | haha, sure... |
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| 19:00:19 | gevaerts | actually, maybe try sfdisk -l /dev/sdb |
| 19:01:00 | BigBambi | gevaerts: http://www.pastebin.ca/988441 |
| 19:01:04 | jhMikeS | r16370? my source is r17150 |
| 19:01:35 | BigBambi | gevaerts: looks a little odd |
| 19:02:11 | * | jhMikeS isn't sure what LambdaCalculus37 wants him to look at here |
| 19:02:29 | gevaerts | BigBambi: looks more or less the same as the one on the wiki, and the one jhMikeS got |
| 19:02:38 | BigBambi | Oh, OK, cool :) |
| 19:02:56 | gevaerts | So the question is why your kernel doesn't see it |
| 19:03:14 | BigBambi | I can try a reboot - I haven't since mucking around with usb serial and stuff yesterday |
| 19:03:18 | * | jhMikeS better add a cache invalidate before picking up the audio buffer |
| 19:03:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: Hang on, I'll show you. |
| 19:03:31 | BigBambi | brb |
| 19:03:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DiskSpeed |
| 19:03:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | See the column labeled "disk driver revision"? |
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| 19:05:06 | jhMikeS | http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/gigabeat-S-UMS7.diff |
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| 19:06:12 | jhMikeS | never mind that, that's only PP :p |
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| 19:08:33 | BigBambi | gevaerts: No, still the same |
| 19:08:49 | gevaerts | BigBambi: is that a PC ? |
| 19:09:02 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: do any of those config descriptors in storage get modified and use directly in send/recv? |
| 19:09:13 | BigBambi | gevaerts: yep, Core2Duo running kubuntu 32bit, 2.6.24-16-generic |
| 19:09:22 | * | Nico_P can't send a file anymore |
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| 19:09:28 | Nico_P | (to the beast) |
| 19:09:38 | BigBambi | gevaerts, (laptop) |
| 19:10:22 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: they get memcpy-ed into response_data in usb_core.c |
| 19:10:52 | BigBambi | gevaerts: My e200 with Rockbox USB is automounted perfectly |
| 19:11:22 | Nico_P | I think I need to reboot. bbs |
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| 19:14:07 | gevaerts | BigBambi: I really don't understand this. Try running sfdisk -V /dev/sdb |
| 19:14:55 | BigBambi | gevaerts: Warning: partition 2 extends past end of disk |
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| 19:18:24 | Nico_P | damn... I keep getting "Error 2: PTP Layer error 2002: LIBMTP_Send_File_From_File_Descriptor():Could not send object property list." |
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| 19:19:41 | gevaerts | Nico_P: is your cable ok ? |
| 19:19:50 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:19:53 | Nico_P | it's fine AFAIK |
| 19:20:58 | gevaerts | BigBambi: can you send me the output of sfdisk -d /dev/sdb ? |
| 19:20:58 | Nico_P | sendfirm works fine |
| 19:21:06 | BigBambi | gevaerts: sure |
| 19:21:23 | Nico_P | wow the rockbox-only BL is *fast* |
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| 19:22:06 | BigBambi | gevaerts: http://www.pastebin.ca/988460 |
| 19:22:08 | * | Nico_P reformats |
| 19:22:17 | bertrik | fast but dangerous? |
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| 19:22:53 | Nico_P | bertrik: well you need to enter restore mode to be able to connect |
| 19:23:15 | Nico_P | but that's no big deal |
| 19:24:21 | Nico_P | crap! reformatting didn't do... seems I'm stuck :/ |
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| 19:25:14 | BigBambi | Nico_P: Have you been doing any usb serial? |
| 19:25:24 | Nico_P | BigBambi: no |
| 19:25:27 | BigBambi | OK |
| 19:26:22 | Nico_P | gnomad2 has been able to send a couple tracks though. I'll try to send rockbox.tar with it |
| 19:26:45 | gevaerts | BigBambi: that warning is not the cause of the problem |
| 19:27:09 | gevaerts | If I put that partition table on my memory stick, the kernel finds my partitions |
| 19:27:09 | BigBambi | The partition past the end of disk warning? |
| 19:27:18 | BigBambi | OK |
| 19:27:28 | BigBambi | So the partition itself isn't the problem? |
| 19:27:39 | gevaerts | not that I can see. |
| 19:27:40 | BigBambi | just a symptom? |
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| 19:28:14 | gevaerts | the partition past the end of disk probably is not a "real" problem if the FAT is a bit smaller to compensate |
| 19:28:32 | BigBambi | OK |
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| 19:29:46 | Nico_P | seriously, wtf? |
| 19:29:55 | Nico_P | I can send tracks fine, but not files |
| 19:30:15 | BigBambi | That is odd |
| 19:30:35 | jhMikeS | could the .bcdUSB being wrong (USE_HIGH_SPEED not defined) possible do anything bad? |
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| 19:32:10 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: no. 0x0110 is not wrong... |
| 19:32:45 | * | gevaerts has to go home now |
| 19:32:49 | * | LambdaCalculus37 looks at the last revision of ata.c in the source |
| 19:32:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | How silly of me... :P |
| 19:33:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | It is r16370. |
| 19:33:21 | gevaerts | Nico_P: did you use high speed ? |
| 19:33:27 | bertrik | gevaerts: you normally stay at work until 19:30? |
| 19:33:38 | Nico_P | gevaerts: I don't think so. I just applied jhMikeS' patch |
| 19:33:38 | gevaerts | bertrik: I came in late |
| 19:34:07 | gevaerts | Nico_P: then you have high speed. No idea what's wrong then |
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| 19:34:29 | Nico_P | but why would that patch change anything in the OF? |
| 19:35:28 | jhMikeS | it shouldn't |
| 19:36:02 | Nico_P | somehow since I applied it I can't use mtp-sendfile to send rockbox.{tar,gigabeat} anymore |
| 19:36:39 | Nico_P | I rebooted my comp, restored the S |
| 19:36:41 | jhMikeS | ?? |
| 19:37:00 | jhMikeS | even after the recovery mode? |
| 19:37:03 | Nico_P | yes |
| 19:38:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: test_disk results are up now. |
| 19:39:35 | * | Nico_P goes to have supper |
| 19:39:37 | jhMikeS | CPU clock = 169MHz? <= ?? |
| 19:40:39 | jhMikeS | It's 264MHz actually |
| 19:40:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | CPU clock: 16934400 Hz. |
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| 19:41:17 | jhMikeS | that's defined in the headers somewhere but it's not right |
| 19:41:33 | Bagder | that's 16.9MHz |
| 19:41:43 | * | jhMikeS was just pointing that out too :) |
| 19:41:45 | bluebrother | Nico_P: around? |
| 19:42:11 | jhMikeS | that was pulled from CF for some reason |
| 19:42:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | Bagder: So should I make it 16.9 on the DiskSpeed wiki then? |
| 19:42:44 | Bagder | I don't know if it's accurate or not |
| 19:42:46 | * | LambdaCalculus37 wonders how he got such a speed on the test |
| 19:43:53 | jhMikeS | It's 264Mhz (I know 'cause I checked all the PLL and divider settings) |
| 19:44:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: I'm still on Bootloader 4 and running r17150, built from source. |
| 19:45:26 | jhMikeS | it doesn't change any of that |
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| 19:45:57 | * | jhMikeS wonders if all the devices failing to connect are S60 when his is an S30 |
| 19:46:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | Huh... my CPU freqency is 17MHz. |
| 19:46:14 | preglow | Bagder: had any more fun with the d2? :-) |
| 19:46:22 | linuxstb | Anyone here have a Windows mingw installation? If so, can I have a copy of reimp.exe from the mingw bin directory? |
| 19:46:32 | jhMikeS | LambdaCalculus37: I think not :) |
| 19:46:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | Went to Debug > View Buffering thread to read it. |
| 19:46:39 | odb|fidel | hi guys. Short question: is it possible to edit the main menu of rockbox ? i.e. i really dont need database, record, playlist etc... Is that stored in a single editable file ? |
| 19:46:41 | preglow | Bagder: any verdict on which of the two players you got that is the nicest? |
| 19:46:45 | Bagder | preglow: not really, haven't had time to poke on it. rockbox time has mostly been gsoc-related the last couple of days |
| 19:46:58 | jhMikeS | it's not measure or calculated from registers, it's just a constant in rb that isn't defined right |
| 19:47:11 | preglow | Bagder: ah, not necessarily rockbox-related, just thinking allround |
| 19:47:13 | Bagder | I think I prefer the D2, mostly because the touchpad thing on the meizu is terrible |
| 19:47:23 | preglow | Bagder: yeah, that does look terrible |
| 19:47:25 | bertrik | odb|fidel: AFAIK it's fixed in the code, but it's been suggested a couple of time to do it like that |
| 19:47:43 | odb|fidel | bertrik: mh ok |
| 19:47:45 | Bagder | but the size and weight make the meizu sexy... |
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| 19:48:07 | Bagder | I had a lovely blackout with the OF on the D2 |
| 19:48:19 | Bagder | while playing music the screen died and it accepted no key input... |
| 19:48:20 | odb|fidel | bertrik: thanks. may i ask how sure is your afaik ? :D |
| 19:48:44 | Bagder | and there's no hw-reset (that I know of) |
| 19:49:08 | Bagder | although inserting usb brought it back to life! |
| 19:49:11 | Bagder | bbl |
| 19:49:15 | bertrik | odb|fidel: 95% |
| 19:49:27 | odb|fidel | hehe ok. more then enough. |
| 19:49:32 | odb|fidel | thanks again |
| 19:49:46 | odb|fidel | would be a very user-friendly feature |
| 19:49:53 | preglow | Bagder: i'm pretty sure there's a hardware reset, it's behind the panel with the line power and usb |
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| 19:51:13 | ZincAlloy | odb|fidel: I think what people call user-friendlyness is lack of options |
| 19:52:05 | odb|fidel | ZincAlloy: any option in mind regarding the idea of customizing the menu ? |
| 19:53:02 | bluebrother | odb|fidel: customizable menus are not wanted generally. |
| 19:53:04 | ZincAlloy | odb|fidel: not me, I have no clue about programming. |
| 19:53:22 | bluebrother | at least amongst developers ... |
| 19:53:28 | odb|fidel | hehe ok |
| 19:53:52 | odb|fidel | anyway. like always when i am inhere. big thanks to the developers |
| 19:53:58 | bluebrother | but you can always edit the sources yourself −− iirc it's rather easy to remove items from the menu |
| 19:54:23 | bertrik | root_menu.c around line 324 |
| 19:55:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: Should I just leave my results up for now, or would it be best to remove them? |
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| 19:55:48 | jhMikeS | It think they're fine. Just change the frequency to 264 since that's what it is. |
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| 19:58:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | Done. |
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| 19:59:35 | odb|fidel | bluebrother: any good keyword for my search in mind ? |
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| 20:04:00 | jhMikeS | F40 should be the proper value too |
| 20:05:07 | bluebrother | odb|fidel: as bertik said ... struct root_items items[] in root_menu.c:324 |
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| 20:06:03 | odb|fidel | bluebrother: oh, seems like i have not realized that comment. thanks again |
| 20:09:37 | bertrik | odb|fidel: at least I think that's the place to modify, I haven't actually tried that |
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| 20:11:49 | odb|fidel | gonna give it a try |
| 20:12:02 | odb|fidel | if i get the project compiled on my mac |
| 20:12:23 | odb|fidel | lets see :D |
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| 20:14:58 | * | Buschel wonder, if http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16418.0 is cuased by r17097 |
| 20:15:19 | Buschel | anyone with a PP5002-target here to do some listening test? |
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| 20:16:22 | bluebrother | hmm, what was the file function to get the current position in a file? |
| 20:16:33 | bertrik | ftell? |
| 20:16:55 | bluebrother | thanks. |
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| 20:17:02 | * | bluebrother feels getting old |
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| 20:17:37 | bertrik | odb|fidel: it appears it's a little more complicated than just editing the items[] array in root_menu.c |
| 20:18:19 | odb|fidel | like ? |
| 20:18:42 | BigBambi | To get rid of some things (database, recording for instance) you can just comment out the define in firmware/export/config-xxx.h and it won't get built at all |
| 20:19:23 | bertrik | odb|fidel: like I-haven't-figured-out-yet-but-it-crashes, better listen to BigBambi :P |
| 20:19:59 | odb|fidel | ok. thanks guys |
| 20:20:08 | BigBambi | heh, that's only if you want to completely remove a feature (including from the menu), not just edit the menu |
| 20:20:25 | odb|fidel | well yeah np in my case |
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| 20:20:37 | odb|fidel | if the rest is not affected. gonna give it a try |
| 20:21:23 | BigBambi | database is referred to as tagcache in that file |
| 20:21:28 | BigBambi | |
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| 20:25:29 | bluebrother | hmm −− Rockbox does not have ftell? |
| 20:27:17 | gevaerts | bluebrother: I can't help you with ftell, be careful with that sort of thing. The rockbox fseek and ftruncate do not behave exactly the same as unix ones |
| 20:27:31 | jhMikeS | no, use fseek(fd, 0, SEEK_CUR) |
| 20:27:49 | jhMikeS | lseek ?? |
| 20:27:53 | jhMikeS | eek |
| 20:28:41 | * | gevaerts also meant lseek |
| 20:28:58 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: were and other alignments important besides qh_array? |
| 20:29:06 | jhMikeS | s/and/any/ |
| 20:29:18 | bluebrother | thanks, just found this way myself (in the mighty Rockbox sources ;-) |
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| 20:30:04 | Nico_P | bluebrother: here now |
| 20:30:16 | preglow | Buschel: not many people have a 5002 target... |
| 20:31:26 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: td_array needs to be 32 byte aligned. I think all other alignments are only for CPU reasons |
| 20:31:33 | bluebrother | Nico_P: I had a reproduceable playback issue with folder skip ... no idea if it's already known. |
| 20:31:58 | bluebrother | if you skip a folder playback "hangs". Pause and unpause, and it starts at the beginning of the file |
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| 20:32:20 | jhMikeS | oops |
| 20:32:27 | Nico_P | I've had that a couple of times, but not reproducibly |
| 20:32:38 | bluebrother | I just figured that you can also produce this effect by skipping quite fast to some track out of buffer. Skip back several times, same. |
| 20:37:13 | bluebrother | I can reproduce it easily. Would try running a logf-build help you? |
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| 20:37:23 | Drivas | Hello all |
| 20:37:30 | Drivas | I was just wondering |
| 20:37:49 | Drivas | I have a lot of artists starting with 'The' |
| 20:38:07 | bluebrother | the "ignore The" patch was rejected. |
| 20:38:23 | Drivas | How so? |
| 20:38:28 | Drivas | from the main project? |
| 20:38:37 | Drivas | any idea how I could possibly apply it? |
| 20:38:59 | bluebrother | well, you could check if the patch still applies or resync it |
| 20:39:18 | bluebrother | it's not a proper solution. The proper solution would be to support sorting tag information |
| 20:39:53 | Drivas | ok |
| 20:39:56 | Drivas | thank you |
| 20:39:58 | Drivas | :) |
| 20:40:03 | bluebrother | ignoring just a prefix will break on every other language −− for example, the german "Die", which is basically the same as "The" |
| 20:40:18 | bluebrother | (ok, it also depends on context a bit ...) |
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| 20:40:44 | * | gevaerts solved this by not liking music where artist names start with The |
| 20:41:03 | bluebrother | hehe :) |
| 20:41:05 | Nico_P | bluebrother: yeah a logf log (duh) would help |
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| 20:42:21 | * | linuxstb just uses the file browser, and names his directory "Something, The", with the band names correct in the tags |
| 20:42:24 | bluebrother | Drivas: feel free to name your artists as "The, The" :) |
| 20:43:48 | * | jhMikeS already has "The, The" |
| 20:44:32 | Rincewind | "The The" are the only exception to my "artist, the" rule in my collection |
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| 20:45:39 | bluebrother | Nico_P: do I need to enable logf in specific files (like playback.c)? |
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| 20:54:02 | Nico_P | bluebrother: yes, playback.c should be enough |
| 20:54:25 | Buschel | preglow: yes, seems so. hard to check the issue then. amiconn test shortly and it seemed ok though |
| 20:54:33 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I just tried sending rockbox.tar to my beast on another comp with a freshly installed libmtp and got the exact same error message |
| 20:54:55 | Nico_P | so it's definitely my beast that has a problem |
| 20:56:09 | preglow | Buschel: i think jhMikeS has one too, if you badger him :> |
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| 20:57:50 | toffe82 | Nico_P: can you try the original firmware ? |
| 20:58:01 | Nico_P | toffe82: what do you mean? |
| 20:58:22 | Nico_P | using sendfirm to send the unpatached OF? |
| 20:58:26 | toffe82 | to transfer files |
| 20:58:32 | Nico_P | I'm using the OF |
| 20:58:51 | toffe82 | on windows, with the v updater |
| 20:59:00 | jhMikeS | preglow: it's in need of service. I totally broke the HP jack connector. :( |
| 20:59:01 | Nico_P | I could try that, yes |
| 20:59:11 | toffe82 | you remeber my problem with one my s30 ? |
| 20:59:16 | Nico_P | no |
| 20:59:50 | Nico_P | toffe82: what's weird is that gnomad2 manages to send audio tracks just fine |
| 20:59:54 | toffe82 | it works when I update the firmware but didn't connect from winthin windows |
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| 21:00:06 | Nico_P | I'll try it on a windows comp |
| 21:01:00 | * | jhMikeS did something odd to the stack that a PP device won't mount but the S works fine (which makes no sense) |
| 21:01:09 | Buschel | jhMikeS: so, it makes no sense to fall on my knees and beg for testing support? ;o) |
| 21:01:22 | Buschel | jhMikeS: about your PP5002 |
| 21:01:44 | jhMikeS | Buschel: read up about 9 lines |
| 21:02:21 | Buschel | jhMikeS: that's why I guess it makes no sense... |
| 21:02:23 | jhMikeS | the little flat connector got torn from the plug |
| 21:03:11 | jhMikeS | otherwise I'd test. a replacement is expensive for such a part but it's looking like i'll have to just pay up. |
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| 21:03:51 | Buschel | so I'll aks the forum guys. maybe someone is able to build a software by his own |
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| 21:09:29 | Nico_P | toffe82: what do I need on an XP comp? |
| 21:09:46 | Nico_P | I'd like to try sending the file from there |
| 21:09:49 | bluebrother | Nico_P: wanna look? http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/logf.txt |
| 21:10:03 | toffe82 | the v updater and wm11 |
| 21:10:19 | toffe82 | or 10 |
| 21:10:22 | Nico_P | bluebrother: was that made on sim or on target? target it seems |
| 21:10:25 | bluebrother | I had a codec change between albums this time, but I'm pretty sure I also observed otherwise |
| 21:10:29 | bluebrother | that's on target. |
| 21:10:45 | bluebrother | oh, and I was somewhat wrong earlier: the second album starts playing but is muted. |
| 21:11:06 | toffe82 | when it connect you should see the gigabeat S in the explorer |
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| 21:11:20 | Nico_P | yes, and pause/unpause unmutes it, right? |
| 21:11:42 | bluebrother | yep |
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| 21:11:50 | Nico_P | maybe something wrong with PCM |
| 21:12:03 | preglow | jhMikeS: can you think of any reason why my nano should perform far worse when accessing the disk/flash now than three months ago? |
| 21:12:05 | Nico_P | and what issue does the log show? |
| 21:12:21 | preglow | if it's accessing the flash, everything has a latency of five seconds |
| 21:12:38 | Nico_P | preglow: not just in playback? |
| 21:12:58 | preglow | Nico_P: well, i haven't really tested that thoroughly, to be honest |
| 21:13:09 | preglow | Nico_P: yeah, it might be playback indeed |
| 21:13:30 | Nico_P | I'm interested to know if it's only in playback, or in other areas as well |
| 21:13:37 | preglow | i'll give it a shot when it's charged |
| 21:14:08 | jhMikeS | preglow: not really. you tracked it to three months ago? |
| 21:14:16 | Nico_P | because I observed that playback was more responsive on my c200 with dircache enabled, so it might be related |
| 21:15:01 | preglow | jhMikeS: no, just an estimate, and a rough one at that |
| 21:15:41 | Nico_P | preglow: if it wasn't only in playback, it would explain a lot |
| 21:15:56 | preglow | Nico_P: only playback |
| 21:16:13 | preglow | Nico_P: i'll press pause or next, and it'll take ages to respond, but a menu press will be instantaneous |
| 21:16:31 | preglow | Nico_P: but only while buffering. it's ok enough when not buffering |
| 21:16:42 | jhMikeS | preglow: try enabling the hack in ata.c. |
| 21:16:48 | preglow | what hack? |
| 21:16:54 | jhMikeS | the lock hack |
| 21:17:06 | preglow | details |
| 21:17:12 | jhMikeS | and thread.c on the lines that have MAX_PHYS_SECTOR_SIZE |
| 21:17:18 | jhMikeS | I'm just wondering |
| 21:17:32 | jhMikeS | just #if 1 should do the trick |
| 21:17:50 | preglow | there's only one max_phys_sector_size line in thread.c |
| 21:17:56 | preglow | and that seems to be a video 64 meg check |
| 21:18:39 | preglow | why would a nano be affected by sector size stuff, btw? |
| 21:18:51 | jhMikeS | ata.c line 69, thread.c line 164, just #if 1 |
| 21:19:26 | Nico_P | preglow: sounds exactly like what's happenning on the video |
| 21:19:26 | preglow | another 5g line, you did catch i'm talking about a nano, right? :> |
| 21:19:30 | preglow | right |
| 21:19:45 | jhMikeS | it's to support something presumably related to the large sector disks. the nano stuff sounds just like the 5.5g issues |
| 21:19:50 | Nico_P | bluebrother: what issue does the logf dump showN |
| 21:19:52 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:19:55 | Nico_P | s/N/? |
| 21:19:58 | preglow | jhMikeS: so i should if 1 these bastards? |
| 21:20:05 | jhMikeS | yep |
| 21:20:05 | n1s | linuxstb: do you have an idea about the ipodpatcher question in FS #8901 ? |
| 21:20:13 | jhMikeS | just the two I mentioned |
| 21:20:40 | preglow | kiedoke, having a compile now |
| 21:20:42 | bluebrother | Nico_P: well, as described: I played one album, then skipped to the next one (the skip - hold skip thingy) |
| 21:20:42 | * | jhMikeS wishes somebody would investigate for ata errors that may be going by silently |
| 21:20:45 | Rincewind | I have a Sansa C240 here that is acting strange on usb connect. It is taking ages and there are a lot of messages in dmesg: http://rafb.net/p/IBZ6iJ58.html |
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| 21:21:00 | Rincewind | is this a problem I can fix with e200tool? |
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| 21:21:12 | bluebrother | the 2nd album starts playing, but sound is silent. I paused, unpaused, and then logfdump'ed |
| 21:21:17 | preglow | jhMikeS: how do rockbox usually handle ata errors? |
| 21:21:38 | Rincewind | I already formatted the device with original firmware and loaded rockbox on it. Booting the OF works, but booting rockbox hangs |
| 21:22:37 | gevaerts | Rincewind: how much free space does the OF think it has ? |
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| 21:23:09 | jhMikeS | return negative values? I think threre's a retry loop in there too. |
| 21:23:18 | Rincewind | gevaerts: 688MB of 953MB which is about right, I put some music on |
| 21:23:45 | Rincewind | the OF doesn't do any database updates on usb disconnect, wich is strange, too |
| 21:23:50 | gevaerts | So it's not extreme FS corruption... |
| 21:24:25 | gevaerts | Maybe you can try the sansa.fmt trick, although I'm not sure if it works on c200 |
| 21:24:45 | preglow | jhMikeS, Nico_P: no change in behaviour i can detect |
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| 21:26:02 | jhMikeS | preglow: how's the PCM level? |
| 21:26:05 | amiconn | Buschel: Regarding the freezes reported in the forum thread - it seems there's still an alignment problem wrt cpu sleep on pp5002. It only became less likely by my fix |
| 21:26:09 | preglow | man, this nano is such a pain to use these days |
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| 21:26:32 | linuxstb | n1s: No, I've never heard of that before. |
| 21:27:02 | Rincewind | I suppose the file system is corrupted in some way, when I boot, the sana logo comes, then there is a short flash of a blue background then the sansa logo again and it hangs. when I boot with << it shows the rockbox bootloader and boots the OF |
| 21:27:03 | amiconn | Regarding the clicking noise - I didn't notice any, and I've been using my 2nd Gen daily this week. But then I'm not sure whether I am running with your patch or without (the build is from before r17097) |
| 21:27:20 | amiconn | preglow: hmm? |
| 21:27:36 | preglow | jhMikeS: always full, and no wonder, it's locked to 80 mhz.... |
| 21:27:38 | preglow | another bug |
| 21:27:42 | gevaerts | Rincewind: I'm pretty sure the filesystem is corrupted, yes |
| 21:27:45 | jhMikeS | amiconn: maybe sleep_core should just be a call and in IRAM like it originally was |
| 21:27:51 | preglow | amiconn: hmm what? |
| 21:27:58 | amiconn | [21:26:09] <preglow> man, this nano is such a pain to use these days |
| 21:28:00 | Rincewind | gevaerts: what options do I have? |
| 21:28:04 | Buschel | amiconn: can you check with a build that definately contains my patch? |
| 21:28:05 | preglow | amiconn: well, it is :) |
| 21:28:10 | jhMikeS | preglow: skip backward so you hit something not buffered |
| 21:28:14 | preglow | amiconn: it's slow and unresponsive when flash accesses happen |
| 21:28:18 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I should probably test that. Any luck with the headphone jack? |
| 21:28:31 | jhMikeS | amiconn: not finding it cheaper :\ |
| 21:28:39 | amiconn | Buschel: I'll upgrade to the latest & greatest now |
| 21:28:55 | preglow | jhMikeS: that fixed the boost problem |
| 21:29:02 | toffe82 | jhMikeS: what kind of jack it is ? |
| 21:29:33 | jhMikeS | toffe82: the hp jack and hold assembly for an ipod 3g 15GB |
| 21:29:45 | gevaerts | Rincewind: you could try restoring the firmware and bootloader via recovery mode, but I'm not hopeful about that. |
| 21:29:52 | bluebrother | linuxstb, n1s: I had a fear about FS #8901, added a comment ... |
| 21:30:07 | toffe82 | jhMikeS: you have a photo? |
| 21:30:32 | * | jhMikeS doesn't have an iPod photo but could take a picture of a 3g |
| 21:30:36 | n1s | bluebrother: ah, yes, didn't think of that possibility :) |
| 21:30:43 | gevaerts | Rincewind: I can adapt my c250 wipe tool to work on c240, and send it to you. After running that and restoring via manufacturer mode (e200tool), it should be fine |
| 21:30:43 | amiconn | jhMikeS: haha ;) |
| 21:30:59 | toffe82 | :) |
| 21:31:04 | Rincewind | gevaerts: what does this tool do? |
| 21:31:26 | gevaerts | Rincewind: zero out everything, write a new partition table, and write a correct FAT |
| 21:31:48 | bluebrother | n1s: I had to read it a couple of times until that popped into my head ... kinda ... impressive |
| 21:31:52 | gevaerts | Rincewind: but the partition table and FAT are hardcoded for c250, so I need some time to adapt it |
| 21:32:05 | Rincewind | dosfck is giving me this: on /dev/sdb1: Invalid disk format in boot sector. |
| 21:32:05 | Rincewind | on /dev/sdb2: Logical sector size is zero. |
| 21:32:26 | BigBambi | What would sdb-1 mean in terms of a partition? I'm looking at the S disk in qtparted and it shows number 1 sdb-1 (tyoe free) 0-0.03 MB, number 2 sdb1 (type fat32) 0.03-150.03 MB and number 3 sdb2 (type fat32) the rest. |
| 21:32:40 | * | jhMikeS has an ipod photo now and will extricate it from the camera |
| 21:33:22 | gevaerts | Rincewind: That's "normal". The OF is a buggy pile of half working code that can't export its flash over USB any more if the FS or partition table are corrupted |
| 21:33:56 | Rincewind | gevaerts: this might be useful: http://rafb.net/p/HcyLnN35.html (fdisk output) |
| 21:35:04 | gevaerts | Rincewind: I actually collected that data a while ago just for this sort of case |
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| 21:36:38 | gevaerts | linuxstb: can you send me the first 512 bytes of your c240's flash ? I can build one from scratch if I need to, but a real one would be easier |
| 21:37:27 | jhMikeS | toffe82: http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/P1000315.JPG |
| 21:40:42 | gevaerts | Any c240 owners here ? |
| 21:41:08 | * | LambdaCalculus37 raises his hand |
| 21:41:50 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: can you send me the first 512 bytes of it (the partition table) ? I could create it from scratch, but that's a hassle |
| 21:42:10 | * | Nico_P is still out of luck with his S |
| 21:42:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: I can do it when I get home. |
| 21:42:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: PM |
| 21:42:42 | Nico_P | toffe82: I updated it with the hacked V updater but that didn't change anythinh |
| 21:42:48 | BigBambi | Nico_P: :/ |
| 21:43:02 | Nico_P | windows refuses to send files to it too |
| 21:43:19 | toffe82 | and it connect when using the of ? you see the connect animation on the screen ? |
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| 21:43:43 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: I'll try and do without |
| 21:44:56 | n1s | Nico_P: if you can send music files, couldn't you send an rockbox.gigabeat disguised as an mp3 and rolo it? |
| 21:45:02 | bluebrother | domonoky: what do you think about releasing rbutil? |
| 21:45:19 | Nico_P | n1s: I tried that, but it didn't work. I'll try again though |
| 21:45:25 | domonoky | bluebrother: yes would be good to make a new version.. |
| 21:45:35 | Nico_P | toffe82: yes, it connects fine and even accepts music files |
| 21:45:44 | bluebrother | I think we should consider it. The only thing I _really_ don't like is that creation of arbitrary folders upon bootloader installation without asking the user |
| 21:45:48 | * | LambdaCalculus37 left his Sansa at home by mistake today |
| 21:45:49 | Nico_P | it just refuses data files |
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| 21:46:10 | toffe82 | ?? |
| 21:46:14 | toffe82 | strange |
| 21:46:24 | Nico_P | n1s: I think I'll have to hack the BL a bit to get a disguised MP3 file to work |
| 21:46:42 | BigBambi | Nico_P: Does rockbox boot? |
| 21:46:47 | Nico_P | I think they're not sent to the same dir |
| 21:46:59 | Nico_P | BigBambi: no, because I can't get a rockbox binary on there anymore |
| 21:47:10 | BigBambi | Sorry, missed that |
| 21:47:12 | amiconn | Buschel: Latest revision has the described ticking |
| 21:47:12 | Nico_P | the BL is ok though |
| 21:47:20 | n1s | Nico_P: ah, yes of course... |
| 21:47:20 | amiconn | Compiling r17096 now |
| 21:47:27 | Nico_P | maybe I could get out of this mess with an USB enabled BL |
| 21:47:37 | jhMikeS | Nico_P is the first to brick a 'beast? :( |
| 21:47:48 | amiconn | Buschel: It almost sounds like a vinyl with some dust on it... |
| 21:47:58 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: it's not quite bricked, I still have hope ;) |
| 21:48:04 | BigBambi | Nico_P: I can't get a build to connect to linux properly |
| 21:48:10 | BigBambi | But it may be my beast |
| 21:48:15 | * | Nico_P has to leave now |
| 21:48:20 | jhMikeS | amiconn: kind of like short PCM underruns it sounds like |
| 21:48:21 | toffe82 | Nico_P: you can use the updater to tranfert the file |
| 21:48:22 | BigBambi | gevaerts: Did you see my question about the partition table? |
| 21:48:47 | Nico_P | toffe82: would you mind expaining? I'll read the log when I get back |
| 21:48:59 | jhMikeS | too high interrupt latency |
| 21:49:01 | gevaerts | BigBambi: no (or else I forgot...) |
| 21:49:02 | Nico_P | (I need to send rockbox.tar) |
| 21:49:03 | amiconn | It's not regular |
| 21:49:04 | * | bluebrother is uncertain about this OF saving "feature" |
| 21:49:17 | BigBambi | gevaerts: Is probably not important, but: What would sdb-1 mean in terms of a partition? I'm looking at the S disk in qtparted and it shows number 1 sdb-1 (tyoe free) 0-0.03 MB, number 2 sdb1 (type fat32) 0.03-150.03 MB and number 3 sdb2 (type fat32) the rest. |
| 21:49:19 | jhMikeS | amiconn: it rarely is. e200 sounded like that for awhile |
| 21:49:26 | amiconn | And it doesn't depend on wps vs. non-wps |
| 21:49:41 | gevaerts | BigBambi: probably some unallocated space |
| 21:49:53 | BigBambi | gevaerts: I thought so too, but thought I'd mention it |
| 21:50:00 | BigBambi | Given the connection issues |
| 21:50:16 | gevaerts | but even with that, it should work... |
| 21:50:33 | BigBambi | gevaerts: I'm going to try connecting the beast to my Windows PC (once it has finished booting) |
| 21:50:34 | toffe82 | Nico_P: create the nk.bin and transfer it with the updater, the player must be in recovery mode |
| 21:50:48 | amiconn | BigBambi: The beast or the PC? ;) |
| 21:50:50 | jhMikeS | then I probably still have something out of sorts. PP is giving trouble connecting now but it's not making sense at all. |
| 21:51:08 | toffe82 | Nico_P: like we did at the beginning, I think it is still working |
| 21:51:12 | BigBambi | amiconn: hehe :) The beast is a damn sight faster than XP boots :) |
| 21:51:21 | gevaerts | BigBambi: Maybe you could try rewriting the partition table, but if it has more magic in it than normal, that might be dangerous |
| 21:51:27 | * | jhMikeS asks if all these 'beasts are S60s too |
| 21:51:33 | BigBambi | jhMikeS: Mine is |
| 21:51:53 | toffe82 | S30 and S60 ;) |
| 21:51:54 | * | jhMikeS 's is an S30 and wonders if that's a factor |
| 21:52:07 | BigBambi | gevaerts: Yeah, I thought about that, but given we don't know exactly what it is, and after Nico_P's problems... |
| 21:52:09 | jhMikeS | toffe82: If you aren't too scared, try the patch on each of them |
| 21:52:58 | amiconn | BigBambi: I'd just dump the first few MB of the disk, and take a closer look with a hex editr |
| 21:53:26 | toffe82 | if I find some time, it would be easier for me if you can send me the file, as I have to do that between 2 kid's fight :) |
| 21:53:29 | BigBambi | amiconn: I could, but I'd need to be told what to look for |
| 21:53:45 | preglow | linuxstb: i see there are several dab bands in use, which is the most popular? |
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| 21:54:57 | amiconn | uhmmm |
| 21:55:05 | linuxstb | preglow: I think Band 3 is most popular in Europe, but Band L is also used in some places (not the UK though) |
| 21:55:09 | amiconn | Somehow the cpu is now boosted permanently??! |
| 21:55:18 | BigBambi | gevaerts, jhMikeS OK, it works in XP - I get two drive letters and I can browse them etc. |
| 21:55:30 | preglow | amiconn: what target? i just had that on nano |
| 21:55:36 | BigBambi | So a linux not beast issue |
| 21:55:39 | amiconn | Hmm, and back to normal... |
| 21:55:46 | amiconn | preglow: 2nd Gen |
| 21:55:49 | preglow | amiconn: skipping tracks fixed it, very nice bug... |
| 21:55:51 | * | gevaerts still doesn't understand the issue |
| 21:56:00 | Rincewind | gevaerts: I have second (working) C240 here |
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| 21:56:08 | amiconn | preglow: It fixed itself here, after doing it for a while.-. |
| 21:56:22 | linuxstb | preglow: This site may help - http://www.wohnort.demon.co.uk/DAB/ |
| 21:56:25 | jhMikeS | hmmm...whineux |
| 21:56:29 | gevaerts | Rincewind: that would help. Can you dd the first 512 bytes off it ? |
| 21:56:53 | BigBambi | gevaerts: Me neither, but from plugging it into XP, took about 5 secs to 'install' and now works perfectly |
| 21:57:00 | preglow | i wonder if the d2 does both bands |
| 21:57:11 | Rincewind | gevaerts: I'll try. Normal connect or recovery? |
| 21:57:24 | gevaerts | Rincewind: normal connect. I need the partition table |
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| 22:00:15 | amiconn | Buschel: Very odd. Now I don't get the ticking anymore... (still the same build) |
| 22:00:39 | Rincewind | gevaerts: is dd if=/dev/sdb count=512 > dump the right command? |
| 22:00:43 | Buschel | amiconn: strange... |
| 22:00:43 | * | amiconn reboots the ipod and retries |
| 22:00:55 | amiconn | Rincewind: count=1 |
| 22:01:01 | amiconn | dd counts in blocks |
| 22:01:14 | Rincewind | ah, ok |
| 22:01:19 | * | low_light has Rockbox with sound on the Philips SA9200 |
| 22:01:25 | Buschel | amiconn: what revision is your build based on? |
| 22:01:38 | amiconn | r17152 |
| 22:01:45 | * | gevaerts expects a mail from low_light on the ML now |
| 22:01:45 | n1s | low_light: wow, congrats! |
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| 22:02:51 | low_light | :) Most of the credit goes to the e200 developers |
| 22:02:58 | Mouser_X | Awesome news. |
| 22:03:09 | Mouser_X | That was a fast port. |
| 22:03:22 | Mouser_X | (And yes, I realize it's mostly due to the e200 and such.) |
| 22:03:32 | Bagder | low_light: btw, do you have a BL file for the SA9200? |
| 22:03:34 | low_light | still a slight problem...no touchpad buttons |
| 22:03:47 | * | amiconn wonders whether someone has beaten his porting speed record |
| 22:03:48 | bluebrother | low_light: congrats |
| 22:03:56 | low_light | Bagder: yeah...you want it for your collection |
| 22:04:14 | Bagder | yes, and MrH was interested as well |
| 22:04:14 | bluebrother | dang, another new player that needs to get added to rbutil ;-) |
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| 22:04:43 | Mouser_X | bluebrother: If you're working on RButil, please get Windows support for the S... |
| 22:04:44 | amiconn | Buschel: Very strange. I cannot reporduce the ticking now, even after rebooting and playing the very same song as before... |
| 22:05:03 | Mouser_X | bluebrother: Thus far, working with the S on Windows really really sucks... |
| 22:05:07 | low_light | I'm not sure how the installation is going to work being as the OF is MTP only (so we can't use sansapatcher) |
| 22:05:15 | bluebrother | Mouser_X: we don't have official support of the GB S right now, do we? |
| 22:05:23 | Mouser_X | Hmmm. No... |
| 22:05:34 | bluebrother | sounds like we need libmtp in rbutil :o |
| 22:05:41 | Mouser_X | Might... |
| 22:06:12 | * | bluebrother wonders if libmtp allows filesystem-like access |
| 22:06:40 | amiconn | And now it ticks a bit again - very weird... |
| 22:06:42 | * | scorche|sh wonders when we can get MrH to be one of us in here |
| 22:06:56 | n1s | bluebrother: I don't think the mtp protocol supports (or requires support for) that |
| 22:07:35 | BigBambi | gevaerts: However, I just transfered some files to the beast in windows, and got just under 1 MB/sec |
| 22:07:42 | * | n1s no sees the "-like" bit and is not sure he understood bluebrother |
| 22:07:53 | amiconn | BigBambi: fullspeed? |
| 22:08:13 | BigBambi | amiconn: Should be high speed, but those speeds made me wonder |
| 22:08:16 | domonoky | for gigabeats in rbutil, we would first need beastpatcher :-) |
| 22:08:18 | bluebrother | well, I just started reading the libmtp homepage. |
| 22:08:33 | BigBambi | As we had issues with S full speed before |
| 22:08:36 | bluebrother | mtppatcher? |
| 22:09:51 | bluebrother | hmm −− doesn't look like libmtp would easily run on windows :/ |
| 22:10:21 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I think we will need to use the native WIndows MTP functions, rather than libmpt. |
| 22:10:27 | linuxstb | s/libmpt/libmtp/ |
| 22:10:31 | gevaerts | BigBambi: you can find out from the device manager, if you switch to the connection tree view |
| 22:10:33 | bluebrother | urgh :( |
| 22:10:40 | Buschel | amiconn: at least you can reproduce it randomly. now it's of interest whether it's the same behaviour on r17096 and r17097 |
| 22:11:00 | bluebrother | adding the usb detection stuff for windows was annoying enough, and now that ...? |
| 22:11:05 | amiconn | Yeah, I just tried once more with earphones - it's more noticeable there |
| 22:11:12 | amiconn | Installing r17096 now |
| 22:11:27 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I found this page (and tried to get that example app compiling with mingw) but haven't succeeded yet - mingw doesn't play nice with MS SDKs... - http://opensource.creative.com/mtp_enum.html |
| 22:11:34 | toffe82 | jhMikeS: just looking the photo, I don't have anything like this |
| 22:11:36 | Buschel | amiconn: i had similar findings on PP5022 when I calculated a wrong loop count for the FIFO-writing |
| 22:11:43 | BigBambi | gevaerts: yes, it is on a standard not enhanced |
| 22:11:54 | BigBambi | gevaerts: But windows didn't warn me |
| 22:11:56 | amiconn | Bah, r17096 won't boot |
| 22:12:06 | amiconn | ...adding 'nop' magic.... |
| 22:12:45 | BigBambi | gevaerts: And USE_HIGH_SPEED is defined in export/config-gigabeat-s.h |
| 22:14:06 | BigBambi | gevaerts: and dmesg just before the partition table issues says "usb 5-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 7" |
| 22:14:16 | toffe82 | low_light: we can copy the file to the system folder and it should use it |
| 22:14:33 | bluebrother | linuxstb: thanks, will check that. |
| 22:15:33 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Also, I'm not sure what MS's license means in terms of using their libs with GPL code... |
| 22:15:41 | BigBambi | gevaerts: And I've just unplugged then replugged into XP, and this time it has shown up under enhanced |
| 22:16:25 | gevaerts | BigBambi: maybe some timing issue. The controller is only enabled when a connection is actually detected |
| 22:16:29 | low_light | Bagder: email sent |
| 22:16:34 | Bagder | thanks |
| 22:16:55 | BigBambi | gevaerts: and this time it is copying *much* faster |
| 22:16:59 | bluebrother | wouldn't GPL forbid linking anyway? |
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| 22:17:15 | low_light | toffe82: copy a firmware file? |
| 22:17:40 | jhMikeS | still don't rely on results from the first connect after booting rockbox |
| 22:18:02 | * | amiconn is actually using one of the shipped wps'es on his 2nd Gen now that the bmp strips allow fast loading |
| 22:18:03 | pixelma | congrats low_light :) |
| 22:18:14 | toffe82 | when you connect the player, you see a system folder, you can copy the ebn file there and the player should use it at the next reboot |
| 22:18:32 | amiconn | Not cabbie v2 though, which I still don't like at all |
| 22:18:49 | BigBambi | jhMikeS: yeah, first time it connected and worked fine but at full speed, and second time at high speed |
| 22:19:11 | amiconn | Buschel: No ticking with r17096 |
| 22:19:14 | BigBambi | but still not on linux |
| 22:19:37 | jhMikeS | sometime it doesn't recognize it. I'm guess it's either trouble bringing it out of sleep or something not initialized properly that gets setup after the first failure. |
| 22:21:15 | Buschel | amiconn: hmm, bad news |
| 22:22:40 | amiconn | Will try r17097 now |
| 22:23:06 | * | jhMikeS is pluggin PP and seeing "slow reset" alot |
| 22:23:52 | Buschel | amiconn: FIFO buffer is smaller on PP5002 (than in PP502x), and each sample needs two slots (one for each sample). maybe the additional latency before filling the first slots is critical here... |
| 22:24:23 | amiconn | Well, jhMikeS wanted to find out how to do packed samples on PP5002... but now his 3rd Gen is broken |
| 22:24:40 | * | amiconn still has an extra 2nd Gen, but without a working hdd |
| 22:26:22 | low_light | jhMikeS: did you see my question yesterday...using ata-c200_e200.c seems to require HAVE_HOTSWAP in other parts of Rockbox. The SA9200 doesn't have a microsd slot, so no hotswap. |
| 22:26:31 | bluebrother | amiconn: how about putting in a CF card? ;-) |
| 22:26:42 | low_light | I had to replace several HAVE_HOTSWAP checks with a new HAVE_ATA_SD define. |
| 22:26:57 | jhMikeS | low_light: the bootloader is built without hotswap |
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| 22:28:02 | low_light | jhMikeS: right...I think usb and debug_menu were the main problem areas (not compiled for the bootloader) |
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| 22:32:08 | low_light | jhMikeS: for example usb_storage.c line 593 uses HAVE_HOTSWAP when it should be checking for the ATA SD interface. |
| 22:34:55 | amiconn | Buschel: I don't get ticking with r17097 either... tried 3 times now, with reboots inbetween |
| 22:36:04 | Buschel | amiconn: now it's getting really weird |
| 22:37:32 | jhMikeS | the bus_reset doesn't seem to be entirely implemented according to the docs |
| 22:37:50 | * | amiconn will binchop |
| 22:38:34 | * | amiconn planned to do something else :/ |
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| 22:41:49 | Buschel | amiconn: thanks for your tests. if the forum guys cannot build for themselves I will undo my patch for PP5002 in svn −− we will get the results then |
| 22:42:30 | Buschel | bye for now |
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| 22:57:07 | preglow | Bagder: around? |
| 22:57:14 | Bagder | yes |
| 22:57:24 | preglow | Bagder: does the d2 look like it's easy to dismantle? |
| 22:57:37 | Bagder | yes, there are visible tiny screws |
| 22:57:40 | toffe82 | low_light: did you see what I wrote for the file transfer ? |
| 22:57:41 | preglow | hmm, good |
| 22:57:59 | preglow | Bagder: nothing fancier than torx? |
| 22:58:14 | Bagder | nope, plain philips I believe |
| 22:58:18 | preglow | excellent |
| 22:58:19 | toffe82 | low_light: can you send your file so I can test ? |
| 22:58:31 | preglow | can't seem to find any naked d2s with dab |
| 22:58:37 | preglow | so i'll probably have to yank mine open when i get it |
| 22:58:49 | Bagder | yeps |
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| 22:59:07 | Bagder | preglow: you decided to go for it then? |
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| 22:59:46 | preglow | Bagder: oh, i'm quite sure, i'm just waiting for time enough to be distracted by it :) |
| 22:59:52 | bluebrother | do we have a Gigabeat FAQ? |
| 22:59:58 | preglow | i'm desperately lacking in self-control when it comes to allocating my time properly |
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| 23:00:37 | markun | preglow: you're not alone in that |
| 23:00:50 | toffe82 | bluebrother: no |
| 23:01:44 | bluebrother | someone in the forums has deleted his system folder. Maybe it would be a nice entry in a GB FAQ how to enter disc mode in that case? |
| 23:01:53 | bluebrother | no idea how this works ... |
| 23:02:03 | toffe82 | it is on the wiki |
| 23:02:24 | toffe82 | it is not really a faq but the recovery mode is on the wiki |
| 23:02:47 | bluebrother | ok −− posted that. |
| 23:02:49 | preglow | The disassembly is fairly easy if you are somewhat mechanically inclined. |
| 23:02:56 | preglow | sounds like i won't destroy it first thing, then |
| 23:03:26 | bluebrother | some people are kinda smart −− deletes the system folder but keeps recycle bin |
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| 23:10:01 | preglow | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2007/02/cowon-iaudio-d2-disassembled.php |
| 23:10:05 | preglow | anyone tell me what that huge black thing is? |
| 23:10:23 | preglow | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/images/cowon-d2/iaudio-d2-apart-2.jpg <- straight ahead |
| 23:10:49 | Bagder | looks like some kind of cover |
| 23:11:10 | preglow | for the fm radio, probably |
| 23:11:15 | preglow | i forgot it had one |
| 23:11:33 | linuxstb | SD card reader? |
| 23:11:38 | preglow | linuxstb: very likely... |
| 23:14:48 | Bagder | ah yes it almost has to be |
| 23:15:05 | preglow | indeed |
| 23:15:12 | preglow | i forgot about that as well |
| 23:15:41 | linuxstb | Is it a 24-bit colour LCD? |
| 23:16:03 | Bagder | who knows? ;-) |
| 23:16:18 | linuxstb | ;) |
| 23:16:24 | Bagder | shotofadds might've tested it |
| 23:16:25 | preglow | yes |
| 23:16:46 | preglow | well, everybody says it's 24 bit, whether it's _Really_ that i don't know, but people say gradients and the like look great |
| 23:17:02 | * | preglow goes trawling through online stores for his d |
| 23:17:04 | preglow | 2 |
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| 23:19:53 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:19:58 | preglow | sweet lord, if only ordering from the us was practical |
| 23:20:15 | preglow | less than half the bloody price |
| 23:21:11 | * | amiconn *hates* bugs that disappear when hunting for them :( |
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| 23:22:54 | preglow | i wonder why cowon stuff is called iaudio here |
| 23:22:56 | * | scorche|sh coughs at preglow |
| 23:23:18 | * | gevaerts hands scorche|sh a throat lozenge |
| 23:23:20 | linuxstb | preglow: Not the DAB version though? (in the US) |
| 23:23:38 | * | scorche|sh thinks gevaerts needs to script that |
| 23:23:48 | preglow | linuxstb: true enough |
| 23:23:49 | * | scorche|sh thinks he shall implement that in a future bot |
| 23:23:57 | preglow | oh well, i'm used to having to pay through the nose |
| 23:25:22 | preglow | hah, d2 supports ripping dab straight to mp2 |
| 23:25:35 | preglow | i would never have guessed they'd include that in the retail firmware |
| 23:26:12 | linuxstb | transcoding to mp3 might be quite hard... |
| 23:26:25 | linuxstb | Although it does have two CPUs. |
| 23:28:07 | preglow | i would rather expect that than straight ripping |
| 23:28:23 | preglow | people in those circles seem to not like lossless ripping, heh |
| 23:28:24 | amiconn | Uh, why? |
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| 23:28:39 | amiconn | Transcoding really wouldn't make sense |
| 23:28:42 | preglow | indeed not |
| 23:28:56 | * | amiconn 's car stereo also records mp2 straight to sd card |
| 23:29:09 | preglow | good, perhaps it's more common than i guessed |
| 23:29:48 | amiconn | From dab, that is - and it's the only way the thing can record (no adc, I guess) |
| 23:30:10 | alleyoopster | are any of you guys using linux to compile rockbox? |
| 23:30:15 | Bagder | the D2 has a mic |
| 23:30:27 | linuxstb | alleyoopster: I expect the majority of people are. |
| 23:30:39 | preglow | Bagder: and line in |
| 23:30:44 | preglow | Bagder: though through a converter :/ |
| 23:30:57 | Rincewind | does anyone know if the newer e200 OF firmwares are useful if I only use the OF for usb (or if there are problems like missing msc mode and such if I upgrade)? |
| 23:31:07 | * | Bagder is no recording person |
| 23:31:40 | krazykit | Rincewind, the OF is completely useless except for providing MSC (in my opinion) |
| 23:31:42 | alleyoopster | good, I get this error "Your cross-compiler arm-elf-gcc 4.2.2 is not of the recommended 4.0.3" and not sure if there is a workaround |
| 23:32:05 | Bagder | alleyoopster: install the "proper" version? |
| 23:32:07 | scorche|sh | alleyoopster: the work around is to use the correct compiler...did you try and run rockboxdev.sh ? |
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| 23:32:52 | alleyoopster | scorche|sh: no I was just running configure |
| 23:32:55 | Rincewind | krazykit: I know, same opinion here. But if there are improvements to the database update speed then I would consider a firmware upgrade. I just discovered that I have a very early one |
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| 23:33:57 | bluebrother | oh, finally some kind of decision regarding Devcon? Nice to see. |
| 23:33:57 | alleyoopster | does this mean I need to find the source for arm-elf-gcc and compile it> |
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| 23:34:11 | Bagder | no |
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| 23:34:28 | Bagder | alleyoopster: just run the script and it'll do all that by itself |
| 23:34:46 | Bagder | possibly edit some variables at the top if you want to install elsewhere from the defaults |
| 23:35:06 | alleyoopster | Bagder: ok, and I can install past CVS versions with this? |
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| 23:36:02 | Bagder | you can build any svn version with it |
| 23:36:23 | alleyoopster | Bagder : excellent thanks for your help |
| 23:39:44 | alleyoopster | fantastic, yeah it is downloading bin utils now, thanks |
| 23:40:44 | bluebrother | wow ... I can't believe the Gigabeat HDD being a USB drive?! |
| 23:41:29 | markun | maybe something worth posting in mygigabeat.com :) |
| 23:41:38 | markun | or perhaps wait till we have sound as well |
| 23:41:49 | markun | what's preventing the audio playback? |
| 23:41:52 | gevaerts | Who needs sound ? |
| 23:42:06 | Bagder | we don't want sound, we want doom! |
| 23:42:20 | markun | exactly my thoughts ;) |
| 23:42:20 | * | Llorean wants doom with sound. |
| 23:42:28 | Llorean | If I can't hear the monsters, what's the point? |
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| 23:48:55 | * | preglow rubs hands |
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| 23:49:02 | preglow | high time for a new target! |
| 23:49:11 | Bagder | yay |
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| 23:49:31 | [TiZ] | Hey, guys. Really quick question. Conditional backdrops: yes, or no? |
| 23:49:47 | preglow | [TiZ]: no, afaik |
| 23:49:50 | scorche|sh | no |
| 23:49:52 | preglow | time for a celebratory cup of darjeeling! |
| 23:50:02 | * | petur is pleased to see a devcon mail and goes looking for tickets |
| 23:50:06 | [TiZ] | Alright, thank you very much. That's all I needed. Toodles! |
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| 23:50:19 | scorche|sh | petur: well, we still need a date ;) |
| 23:50:58 | * | amiconn needs something to do against his extreme email laziness :\ |
| 23:52:38 | * | scorche|sh has been trying to nudge amiconn... |
| 23:52:42 | * | bluebrother suggests practise :) |
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| 23:53:23 | linuxstb | preglow: Have you placed an order then? |
| 23:53:31 | preglow | linuxstb: aye |
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| 23:55:33 | * | preglow does not look forward to the touch screen rework of the ui |
| 23:55:40 | preglow | luckily, there are more people working on that |
| 23:55:44 | Llorean | preglow: The basics of it are coming along nicely |
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| 23:56:28 | Llorean | By my math the touchscreen can mimic up to 42 buttons/actions (but I think it should be limited to about 13 for maximum usability) |
| 23:56:54 | Llorean | At least, with the way it's partitioned up right now |
| 23:57:37 | preglow | any wiki pages on what's been done? |
| 23:58:06 | Llorean | I don't know. Just seen it discussed in the forum so far. JdGordon's done a lot of the work |
| 23:58:39 | Llorean | Basically, touchscreen is divided into a 3x3 grid. Tapping in any cell, or holding in any cell, are actions. As well, moving the stylus from one to another counts as an action (similar to very simple gestures) |
| 23:58:40 | amiconn | grrrrrrrr |
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