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#rockbox log for 2008-04-18

00:01:23amiconn(all == binchop from 17097 to current)
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00:10:55preglowgod, how i hate bugs like that
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00:28:38*amiconn thinks he found the problem in pcm-pp.c
00:28:44amiconnjhMikeS: there?
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00:31:21alleyoopsterapologies for stupid question, after running should I have a .rockbox folder?
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00:32:07krazykitno, you shouldn't.
00:33:02alleyoopsterkrazykit: right, so I guess I need to take some extra steps then?
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00:33:17krazykitwell, you'd have to build rockbox, for starters. simply builds the toolchain.
00:34:08alleyoopsterok, I thought it built it, so I run configure and make etc
00:35:05krazykitafter running make, make zip will give you a like you'd see on the website.
00:35:48alleyoopsterI am still getting this error on configure "Your cross-compiler arm-elf-gcc 4.2.2 is not of the recommended version 4.0.3!"
00:36:12Bagderadjust your PATH
00:36:21Bagderto include your new toolkit before your previous one
00:36:39alleyoopsterpath has the following :/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:/usr/local/m68k-elf/bin:/usr/local/sh-elf/bin
00:36:52alleyoopsterok i understand
00:37:33alleyoopsteryeah that worked thanks again
00:40:13alleyoopsteri have an error about hardward and software FP when running make
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00:40:44alleyoopster/usr/local/arm-elf/lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.3/../../../../arm-elf/bin/ld: ERROR: /home/arch/rockbox/17096-src/build/apps/action.o uses hardware FP,whereas /home/arch/rockbox/17096-src/build/apps/rockbox.elf uses software FP
00:40:59linuxstbWhat target are you building for?
00:41:08preglowamiconn: what part of pcm-pp.c ?
00:41:20amiconnpreglow: The ticking on PP5002....
00:41:41preglowamiconn: know, just wondering where in pcm-pp.c you think there's a problem
00:42:07amiconnalleyoopster: 'make clean' to get rid of you previous partial build. Maybe gcc4.2.2 goofed...
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00:42:55amiconnpreglow: Look at lines 170..188
00:43:13amiconnThe svn code writes a sample *pair* even if the fifo only has a *single* free slot
00:44:09amiconnLines 170 and 171 get the freecount (which is located at << 23), and then line 173 shifts >> 24, to get the number of free pairs
00:44:37amiconnThen it calculates the minimum of that and r9 - but even if that minimum is 0, it enters the loop...
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00:45:54preglowamiconn: luckily not my code :)
00:45:57amiconnI now fixed this with just one additional instruction
00:46:03amiconnYeah, it's Buschel's
00:46:25preglowyeah, doesn't look like much of my code remains
00:46:33amiconnMade the "mov r1, r0, lsr #24 " a movs, and put a beq .exit after that
00:46:57preglowurgh, 80 col violation in the comment above the function
00:47:00amiconnSo it will skip the loop if the number of pairs is zero, with minimal effort
00:47:40amiconnHave to test for quite some time before I can be sure though :\
00:48:00amiconnalleyoopster: YOu're experiencing the ticking and want to test?
00:48:40alleyoopsteramiconn: yes
00:48:42*amiconn is investigating that very same problem right now
00:49:00amiconnWant a 3rd Gen build with my (hopefully working) fix?
00:49:05alleyoopsterthat is why I am trying to compile 17096 and 17097
00:49:21alleyoopsteramiconn: of course
00:49:54amiconnOkay, building...
00:50:05amiconnWill take a few minutes - cygwin here
00:50:14alleyoopsterso the problem was introduced with 17097?
00:50:46amiconnI have a 2nd Gen, and can reproduce the problem, but not reliably. So testers are welcome :)
00:50:52alleyoopsterwell I guess I can stop compiling :)
00:51:26alleyoopsterwell I am happy if I can help
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01:00:53alleyoopsteramicon: Do you know anything about the idle timeout causing reboot when charging?
01:01:15amiconnIt's because charger detection isn't implemented for G3
01:01:29alleyoopsteris it likely to be in the future?
01:01:32amiconnI don't have a G3 - someone with such a target needs to fix it
01:01:56amiconnThere aren't many devs which have one, unfortunately
01:02:27alleyoopsteri think it was fixed for 4g. Is there anything I can do? I am not a dev
01:07:16alleyoopstererm. this build wont boot.. going to check i havent made a mistake
01:08:08amiconnHmm, then it has that occasional non-boot problem on PP5002
01:08:29amiconnNeed to modify something and rebuild (won't take that long now )
01:08:49amiconnI have a strong suspicion what it is. Better fix one problem at a time though :)
01:08:57alleyoopsteri was seeing this problem on 17138
01:09:15amiconnYeah, it comes and goes
01:09:40amiconnIt's an alignment problem, and behaviour of downloadable builds might change even if a specific commit didn'
01:10:03amiconnt change any related code, just because the new build might be built on a different server
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01:11:03amiconnIn theory the same gcc + binutils versions *should* produce identical binaries no matter what machine they run on, but in practise this isn't true
01:15:08alleyoopsteri have just installed the current build and am not having a problem
01:15:43amiconnHmm, interesting - I also got that while testing (ticking disappearing no matter what version I tried)
01:15:55amiconnShut down the ipod, wait a while, try again
01:16:19amiconnThat way the problem came back for me with current svn
01:17:07alleyoopsterit always started when i navigated away from WPS, it was totally reproducable
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01:20:01alleyoopsterwhatever I do it wont go wrong. tried shutting down and waiting, i installed this clean, I could try an upgrade
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01:35:03amiconnalleyoopster: Very odd - that's with latest svn?
01:35:46*amiconn expects the problem will come back with svn though
01:35:57alleyoopsterthis is with r17152, the current build
01:37:11amiconnI'm quite sure I found a real problem in pcm-pp.c, just that it doesn't always cause the ticking noise
01:37:14alleyoopsteramiconn: problem is back
01:37:28amiconnEspecially when testing a lot, it likes to disappear, it seems...
01:37:47amiconnBut then it'll come back after a while, unless it's fixed for real
01:37:56amiconnTried my -test2 ?
01:38:04preglowpixelma: i'm kind of keen on getting that mod codec commited, do you have any reasons for not doing so now?
01:38:19alleyoopsterit took a while, but it is there again. I'll try test2
01:38:43*amiconn still uses the old mod codec, because it *seems* to have fewer problems than the new one
01:39:16pixelmapreglow: the looping is kind of annoying
01:39:21alleyoopsterit seemed better on a clean install, but cant say for sure
01:39:46preglowamiconn: you mean before the sequencer rewrite?
01:40:20amiconnalleyoopster: Yeah, test it for a while. I'll use an equivalent build on my 2nd Gen tomorrow for sure
01:40:30pixelmapreglow: and then there is this one mod that can cause a hang with an undefined instruction (at different addresses) which the old codec just skipped
01:40:40amiconnpreglow: The one that's not committable for license being unclear
01:42:24preglowpixelma: did you report that?
01:45:04pixelmapreglow: no, because I wasn't sure if I could just attach the file (maybe I should ask the authour if I could send it to him or something). Also: I'm very sleepy...
01:45:21alleyoopsteramiconn: I run with this for a while, it s running sweet now. Gonna get some shut eye now
01:45:32alleyoopsterthanks for builds
01:45:59preglowpixelma: not demanding you do it now, but would be nice if all outstanding problems can be fixed so it's commited :)
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01:47:07preglowbut i'm going to bed
01:47:20pixelmawill try to remember tomorrow
01:47:37alleyoopsteramiconn: is there anything i can do to help out with the charging problem with G3?
01:48:05amiconnNot now, I'm afraid
01:48:40alleyoopsterok. test2 seems good btw. gnite
01:48:48amiconnPower management needs a rewrite anyway though, and maybe when I am doing this (and nobody fixed it before) I will have enough insight to code something blindly
01:49:39alleyoopsterinsight to code blindly. now that is art
01:51:03amiconnI mean without having a G3...
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02:08:54VeightQuestion, upon installing rockbox on my ipod video, would I be able to still use itunes to throw on music? Or no?
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02:11:27scorche|shyes, but i am not sure why you would want to...
02:12:06VeightI am just wondering, I planned on doing it to my gf's ipod so I could use it and so she could still add music to it when I change it over to rockbox.
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02:17:28LloreanNico_P: You around?
02:17:49LloreanI've run into a new playlisting bug, though I can't reproduce it yet.
02:18:08LloreanI let a playlist play unattended because I forgot to pause.
02:18:25Nico_PI've seen one too, involving skipping backwards. the next track info becomes wrong
02:18:37Lloreanit got to 7/10, and I'd stopped listening at 5/10. I hit "back" until I was at 5/10, seeked to the middle, and resumed listening. When the track ended, it started playing 8/10
02:18:50LloreanWhich sounds somewhat similar to what you just said.
02:19:15Nico_Pmight have something to do with lasttrack_id3
02:19:20Nico_PI'll need to research it
02:19:28Lloreanglad you're aware.
02:19:32Nico_Pthanks for reporting
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02:28:40amiconnWhy can't I post to the forum?
02:30:46amiconnTried again from start, and now it worked
02:30:55scorche|shwhat happened?
02:31:16amiconnIn the first try I wanted to attach a file with a forbidden extension (.diff - why is this forbidden, btw??)
02:31:40amiconnThen I renamed my local file to .tx, and retried. The Post button then simply did nothing
02:31:47amiconn* .txt
02:32:26scorche|shit is forbidden because we wanted people to use the tracker and not the forums...
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02:33:04scorche|shthough it looks like .c and .h files are allowed...we can always yell at people...
02:33:14amiconnThen the report should have been put in the tracker in the first place
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02:33:40scorche|shLlorean: remove .c and .h or add .patch and .diff ?
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02:34:11amiconnI'd rather not jump around. Especially since this isn't an overly complex fix - see my post...
02:34:57scorche|sheither way, it is home time for me...
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03:06:39LucidTo all gigabeast devs: I wanted to notify that Toshiba website started to provide gigabeat T updater:
03:07:03Lucidyou need an valid S/N though
03:11:44LucidI have already downloaded one. Is it ok to upload it somewhere? I find V updater on GigabeatSinfo Page.
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03:22:26saratogaLucid: you can upload it somewhere other then and link to it from the wiki
03:22:34saratogabut probably should not be hosted by rockbox
03:22:43ShaidI can host it for you, if you'd like
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03:23:00Shaidassuming it wont cause too much bandwidth hammering to my webhost ;)
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03:27:55jhMikeSnew patch for testing.straightens out some lingering nocache headaches that may have been the problem:">
03:32:40Lucidsaratoga, Shaid: Thanks. I think I'll upload it somewhere (temporarily) to allow people download it. Would that help?
03:33:12Shaidchuck it onto rapidshare or something, send me the link, and I'll stick it on my webspace and send you the link to it
03:33:28Shaidand then you can put it in the wiki or whatever
03:34:34LucidOK thanks.
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03:55:31Shaidwhee, japanese
03:55:56ShaidI'll repack it
03:56:14Shaidthe software will still be in japanese, but atleast people wont have to work around the installer
03:56:14LucidWell I'm Japanese
03:56:21Shaidit'll just be a .zip
03:56:26Shaidor a rar, maybe
03:56:51Shaidthree .bin files in there.
03:57:04ShaidRecovery.bin, pmcboot_secure.bin and NK.bin
03:58:26Shaid10meg rar vs 14meg zip
04:00:36Lucidrar would be better?
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04:09:15LucidShaid: Thanks! Now I think I need to register to the rockbox wiki :p
04:09:53ShaidNow to hope I don't get any cease and desist letters into my mailbox
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04:25:46myk_robinsonjust bought a new e250 and gave my son my rockboxed c200.. Come to find out my new e250 is a v2... dammit
04:26:07myk_robinsonno rockbox for me, but my son is enjoying his music and videos on the c200
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04:37:45Lucidmmm, there's 2 versions of Gigabeat T...
04:38:44Lucidthere is a T401 v2
04:39:25Lucidhas a WiFi on it
04:40:17LucidT updater won't work for v1(MET401S)
04:41:00Lucid(at least Toshiba site claims like that)
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05:02:30Veight`Question, I currently got rockbox installed and when I go to put music on my ipod 60gb video is there a certain tool I should use or a location to put the music?
05:03:24myk_robinsonIf it works the same as the SanDisk, just make a folder called Music and load all your subfolders and music into there
05:03:43myk_robinsonjust follow whatever structure the Ipod already has set up
05:04:40Veight`Heh, Ipod's have a whack structure.
05:05:00Veight`They are stored as file names in folders with 4 characters and all the files are renamed aswell.
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05:05:31myk_robinsonwow.. in that case, not sure... Perhaps someone one here actually has an ipod and can be better help.
05:05:38myk_robinsongotta go, good night all
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05:07:26javamanveight it doesnt matter where you put it
05:10:24javamanif your music is already in iPod_Control folder then just leave them there, if you want to add more music you can just drag it to anywhere in your ipod or continue to use itunes
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05:26:07Veight`Thanks javaman
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06:02:28Veight`Hrm, I've been looking around and it looks like there *might* be an emulator for rockbox that is for gba rather then gb/gbc. Anyone know anything on this?
06:03:08Veight`I don't want to waste the hour I spent sending 4 gb's of gba roms to the thing heh
06:03:37skI don't know
06:04:26scorchewhere did you see a gba emulator?
06:05:52Veight`Some forums I was looking at, wasn't the rockbox ones so I could be mistaken. Although, Linux on ipod has a gba emulator so I would assume someone might have created one for rockbox.
06:06:51scorche"some forums"?
06:07:37Veight`Well, I have just been searching google seeing various places saying that there is a GBA emulator for the ipod just no actual links :\
06:08:34scorchewell, there isnt one...
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06:10:07cool_walking_I think iPodLinux has a GBA emulator
06:11:42Veight`Yeah, I just found it Igpsp, except the games don't work flawlessly and the games don't run at full speed more like 40-80%
06:12:07cool_walking_I'd say that's pretty damn good speed for running on an iPod
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06:50:02Mouser_Xpreglow: I'd like to have the MOD codec commited as well. The only reason *I* can think of not to commit is is from FS #8806.
06:50:16Mouser_X(Well, and the infinite looping. That's a problem.)
06:51:08Mouser_X(If 8806 stops FS #8680 from being commited, then 8806 should be turned into a codec.)
06:57:42Mouser_XSo, anyone here that has a Gigabeat S? I still haven't been able to restore the firmware...
06:57:59Mouser_XThe hacked V updater crashes on every single computer I've tried it on.
06:58:27Mouser_XjhMikeS' sendfirm windows port throws errors, and fails to send the BIN file.
06:59:06Mouser_XBigBambi sent me a Linux build of sendfirm, but even when logged in as root (Mepis is the distro...), I got "permission denied."
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08:25:19amiconnhi Buschel the tick maker ;)
08:25:34Buschelamiconn: as I see you've found the bug in pcm_pp.c -> respect! that was a bad one
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08:29:27amiconnUnfortunately the PP5002 PCM still needs research
08:30:37amiconnThe fact that the missing check causes ticking shows that we don't know whether the PP5002 has fifo level reporting like the PP502x, and how to use it
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08:38:27Buschelgotto go to work now, working on excel and powerpoint. at least i cannot submit any ticking this way :)
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11:20:33B4gderamiconn: I would really like you to respond to the devcon email really quick this time
11:20:37B4gderwe need to decide
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11:26:46preglowMouser_X: i think that mikmod codec is a pretty long way from being commited
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11:29:01Mouser_XProbably. I just figured that since it is more feature-ful, that it might be a factor.
11:29:13preglowwell, we'll just take what we've got for now
11:29:24preglowif the mikmod codec shapes up, it can replace the old one
11:29:36Mouser_XWell that could work.
11:29:45Mouser_XI'd love to have MOD support by defaultl.
11:30:16*pondlife can't make DevCon (again) :/
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11:30:40Mouser_XIt'd be one less patch I use.
11:31:03preglowbut for now, i think the .mod player has been in the tracker long enough with no real complaints filed against it
11:31:31LloreanI don't see any harm in "using a working codec, replace it with a better one later."
11:31:35LloreanDidn't we do that with flac?
11:31:38*Mouser_X also uses FS #7331 (not ready for commit) and FS #8647 (amiconn said some stuff about this one. I can't remember exactly what).
11:32:13preglowLlorean: why, no, what could possibly be the harm of that
11:32:22preglowreplacing code with other code is an age-old tradition, heh
11:34:08pondlifepreglow: Did you have any time to look into the buffer sizing/IRAM use of ?
11:34:27pondlifeI've stared at the code, but it's just not going in :)
11:34:32preglownope, but it's on my list
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11:34:47preglowit's very decent, though, so should go in
11:34:52pondlifeCool, that's definitely one for committing as soon as it has no negative side effects
11:35:02preglowwell, except for allocating large buffers...
11:35:17pondlifeThat being one of the negative side-effects
11:35:19preglowbut if we don't want that, we'll have to make some way of not making it happen
11:35:51preglowlike ways of reiniting playback with new sequences of bufalloc()
11:35:57preglowdon't ask me how...
11:36:10preglowpondlife: however, what i would like for this patch is another way to integrate it
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11:36:26pondlifepreglow: In what way?
11:36:34preglowpondlife: i'm thinking this should definitely share settings with playback speed
11:36:35pondlifeIt shouldn't affect voice, ideally - just playback
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11:37:26preglowpondlife: ideally we should have one speed/pitch up/down setting, then another settings which allows you to selet if you want tempo, pitch or both to be scaled
11:37:40preglowboth we scale now, tempo this patch allow, and pitch is just a combination of the two
11:37:41pondlifeYes, and it should sit between playback and PCM, I'd think - a bit like crossfade
11:38:03preglowwell, it's in dsp now, and that is between playback and pcm
11:38:09pondlifeAh, is it?
11:38:46pondlifeHow does crossfade allocate buffers? I assume it needs some..
11:39:01preglowbufalloc on startup, afaik
11:39:07preglowyou need to reset for crossfade
11:39:16pondlifeOK, so the same would apply to speed
11:39:26pondlife(if we need to enable/disable this algorithm)
11:39:37preglowwell, not if we deem the buffer small enough to always allocate
11:39:53preglowi really want to be rid of all these settings that require a reboot
11:39:56preglowit's starting to feel like windows
11:40:13pondlifeThis isn't a reboot, it's a stop and restart playback
11:40:26pondlifeBut, I agree, it would be nice if it wasn't needed.
11:40:46preglowso we should think up some way of reallocating memory on the fly, like stuffing all the bufallocs in a hook that can be called each time we want to redo the memory layout
11:40:56preglowit'll need to reinitialize playback, but it won't be a reboot
11:40:58pondlifeBut not malloc :)
11:41:02*B4gder agrees
11:41:05preglowwell, sure, not malloc
11:41:12preglowthat would just waste more memory
11:41:17B4gderit'd just need a table with the pointers
11:41:24preglowB4gder: yeah, exactly
11:41:27pondlifeThat's what crossfade does at the moment, it just needs generalising
11:41:32B4gderand remake that when everything is in an idle known state
11:42:11preglownow, appoint someone to do it :P
11:42:31*preglow tracks his d2
11:42:43linuxstbpreglow: Which model did you get?
11:43:13LloreanMaybe someone should also keep track of "Official Feature Requests", some list somewhere of ideas that are "officially" wanted.
11:43:53pondlifeFlyspray, but marked somehow
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11:46:16preglowlinuxstb: 8gig dab
11:48:20preglowLlorean: if some feature is officially wanted, some devs should just make sure it gets developed, either by doing it himself or helping others along with a patch, i don't think marking patch entries will do much good
11:48:28linuxstbpreglow: I'm looking forward to your disassembly...
11:48:35preglowlinuxstb: not me :/
11:49:07preglowand especially not marking feature requests
11:49:10linuxstbpreglow: I think the idea is that it's a list to say "this feature is officially wanted".
11:49:57preglowsure, wouldn't hurt, i guess
11:50:00Lloreanpreglow: The idea is that new people interested in helping out (or old people searching for new ideas who don't follow the chat) have somewhere to go not just for "random user ideas" but "things that will probably be acceptable to commit"
11:50:02preglowif only to keep track of things
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11:55:38preglowat least this bufalloc idea would help fix the limits bug as well
11:56:11linuxstbI guess the database could re-initialise itself as well, without a manual reboot?
11:56:20preglowso do i
11:57:01linuxstbAnd we could sell advertising space during these pauses in playback ;)
11:57:36preglow"Please stand by while Rockbox reinitializes, and you listen to these messages from our sponsors"
11:58:53Mouser_X"Hey, it's what keeps this project free!"
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11:59:29preglowhey, devs have to eat!
12:00:24preglowi'm sure we seem like machines, but i assure you, we're not!
12:00:27Mouser_XNico_P: Any luck with your beast?
12:00:36*Mouser_X has had none.
12:00:54Nico_PMouser_X: I haven't tried again since yesterday, but no
12:01:06Nico_PI think I'm going to hack the BL a bit
12:01:35Mouser_XPlease do. Though, the problem I'm having is that I can't even get that on there...
12:02:24Mouser_XHacked V updater crashes, Windows sendfirm port spouts errors and doesn't work (I made sure to install the libusb stuff), and I get "permission denied" under Linux.
12:02:27Nico_PI suggest using linux (a live CD maybe)
12:02:30Mouser_XEven when logged in as root.
12:03:56Mouser_X2 days now it's been asking for new firmware... At this rate, I'll be better off buying a ZIF adapter and hooking it up to a PC directly.
12:04:57Mouser_XOn that note: What happens if I turn it off while it's in this state of requesting firmware?
12:05:17Mouser_XWill it simply continue asking when I turn it on later?
12:05:20Nico_Pit will just ask again later, no problem
12:05:32linuxstbMouser_X: What is the exact error message under Linux? Is the sendfirm binary marked as executable?
12:05:55Mouser_X"bash: ./sendfirm: permission denied"
12:06:14Mouser_X(I may have the ":" wrong, but the words are correct.)
12:06:46Mouser_XWhen I right-clicked it and checked the properties, it did say it was an executable.
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13:34:28Nico_Panyone with a rokboxed beast here?
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14:12:40Nico_PjhMikeS' v8 patch works fine
14:13:29Nico_Pgevaerts: fdisk seems to think my partition table looks weird though
14:13:50gevaertsNico_P: CHS confusion ?
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14:16:49gevaertsNico_P: that's probably the same problem that BigBambi has
14:17:03Nico_PI'll mount the partitions
14:17:23gevaertsCan you ? The kernel didn't see them
14:17:52Nico_Phmm no you're right
14:18:08Nico_PI'll go try it on a windows box
14:18:59gevaertsIf you feel lucky, you could copy the info with sfdisk -d /dev/sdb > /tmp/sdb.out, and write a new partition table with sfdisk -f /dev/sdb < /tmp/sdb.out
14:19:16gevaertsOf course, if it doesn't want to boo anymore afterwards, you're in trouble...
14:19:38*gevaerts recommends backing up the first sector with dd first
14:20:39linuxstbNico_P: Do you have MS Visual Studio?
14:21:55Nico_Plinuxstb: I think I have it somewhere
14:22:04Nico_Pwindows mounted the partitions fine :)
14:22:35Nico_Plinuxstb: why?
14:22:49linuxstbNico_P: I was wondering if you would be interested in attempting a native windows version of sendfirm... This page (and example application) seems a good place to start - - but I couldn't get it compiling with mingw
14:23:24Nico_Phmm I could try
14:24:59Nico_Plinuxstb: you don't have VS2005? maybe VS C++ express could do?
14:25:57linuxstbI don't really feel like learning to use it either... If I could build it with mingw, I would be happy to work on it though.
14:26:08linuxstbIs VS C++ free?
14:27:53*linuxstb sees that it is, and sees how Wine handles it
14:28:41Nico_PVS C++ express is
14:29:27Nico_Pit doesn't seem to work in wine though
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14:30:50linuxstbNo, the setup failed miserably...
14:31:21*Nico_P goes to shower and might try it after that
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14:48:03jhMikeSthis one has bootloader USB mode and fixes some error handling bugs prime_transfer:">
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14:50:35linuxstbjhMikeS: Are transfers reliable?
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14:51:50jhMikeSI haven't had a problem putting builds on. I haven't done any extentensive test runs either though.
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14:52:47linuxstbAre you using high or full speed?
14:55:22jhMikeSThere still this annoying issue of the very first connect not being full speed or just failing that unplug/replug fixes. I can't seem to get rid it.
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14:59:21*Nico_P tries the new patch
15:01:19Nico_PI still get "sdb: unknown partition table" in the dmesg output
15:03:42Nico_Pand BL USB mode fails to connect it seems
15:03:52Nico_PI'll go try on the win box
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15:04:50jhMikeSIt probably won't help that. It should work on a Win box though. Windows doesn't seem very picky since previous patches would've sent alot of garbage.
15:07:01jhMikeSI think there's more inapproprate addresses being used in storage.
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15:09:56jhMikeShmmm, I'll just have it panic if the address to send/receive isn't right...that would find anything remaining.
15:10:15jhMikeSoops, I added that already but it's wrong. :P
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15:14:22Nico_PjhMikeS: yeah I just tested on a windows box and both BL USB mode and regular USB worked fine
15:14:35Nico_Pcongratulations :)
15:14:58jhMikeSthanks. btw, how'd you "unbrick" it?
15:15:03*LambdaCalculus37 comes in and reads the logs to see what antics jhMikeS is up to now
15:15:42Nico_PjhMikeS: by renaming rockbox.tar to rockbox.wav and sending it as a music file. then I just needed to change the BL's search path
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15:21:54jhMikeShmmm, checks are fixing and no panicing
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15:23:05LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: More USB work?
15:23:14jhMikeSof course :)
15:23:32LambdaCalculus37I saw full speed is still problematic.
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15:24:42*Nico_P doesn't understand how full speed can be more of a problem than high speed
15:25:00Nico_Pthe winbox I test on doesn't have high speed USB ports btw
15:25:16jhMikeSNo speed is problematic, it's just that the first use of the hardware seems to have difficulty. I know it's not a software init issue because using BL usb mode (which will have the problem) and the connecting from RB firmware doesn't have that problem.
15:25:16LambdaCalculus37Whoops, high speed... sorry. :P
15:25:33*LambdaCalculus37 needs some coffee
15:25:42*jhMikeS misspoke and should have said "high speed"
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15:28:30jhMikeSfixed panics:"> perhaps a linux connect will spit something out.
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15:33:27BuXY95hi all
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15:39:39Nico_PI still get "sdb: unknown partition table"
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15:41:41jhMikeShmmm, if not panics, then it's not a memory usage issue any more. you get this on every plugin?
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15:42:21Nico_PI've never had it recognize the partitions. first time I plugged it in with the v10 patch, it didn't connect at all
15:42:42BuXY95hi, which bitmap editor tool do you recommend for wps designing?
15:42:51GodEaterwe don't
15:43:00GodEateranything you're comfortable using
15:43:21BuXY95i'm trying to get a good one for an hour now, but no luck
15:43:41GodEaterGimp is decent one
15:44:32gevaertsNico_P: do you have a usb flash device at hand without important data on it ?
15:44:35BuXY95i'll check that... but what about stacked graphics like a 10-part volume display?
15:44:45LambdaCalculus37GIMP can do that.
15:45:15Nico_Pgevaerts: I have
15:45:22LambdaCalculus37Read these: and
15:45:38LambdaCalculus37Oh yes, and this too:
15:45:42gevaertsNico_P: you could copy the first few sectors of the gigabeat to the flash device.
15:46:10jhMikeSNico_P: change line 401 in usb-drv-arc.c to REG_PORTSC1 = (REG_PORTSC1 & ~PORTSCX_PHY_TYPE_SEL) | PORTSCX_PTS_UTMI; (That connects here as well)
15:46:34gevaertsIf that gives the same errors as the gigabeat (i.e. no partition table found), we're 100% sure that it's a linux<->beast incompatibility, and not a usb stack problem
15:46:46BuXY95yeah, i knew about the customwps and simpleguide, now i check the other too
15:47:24*gevaerts is already 99% sure, but you never know...
15:47:50Nico_Pgevaerts: you think it's a linux<->beast incompatibility?
15:47:59gevaertsNico_P: could you send me the first sector of the gigabeat ? I'd like to experiment a bit
15:48:14Nico_Pgevaerts: just give me the command I need to run
15:48:20gevaertsNico_P: "incompatibility" in the sense that the partition table seems to be incompatible...
15:48:34gevaertsNico_P: dd if=/dev/sdb of=/tmp/dump count=1
15:48:45gevaertsAssuming that /dev/sdb is the correct device
15:48:57*Nico_P tries jhMikeS' change and will do it right after that
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15:53:33jhMikeSI must have a freaky device. try a windows box?
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15:57:08Nico_PjhMikeS: nope. doesn't connect on windows either
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15:58:10Nico_PI'm back to plain v10 so I can give gevaerts the data
15:59:50Nico_Pgevaerts: is dcc ok for you?
15:59:57gevaertsit should be
16:01:20Nico_Pdo you still want me to try the thing with the flash drive?
16:01:35gevaertsI can do that myself now
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16:03:35*gevaerts can reproduce the problem here
16:04:02Nico_Pso it's the partition table's fault?
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16:04:24Nico_Pso is there a way we could fix it?
16:04:24gevaertsOr linux's fault for being too strict...
16:04:27Rincewindgevaerts: I think I know now why I had the problems with the c240. I had the sansa in autodetect and copied files over. This corrupted the file system. After our recovery session I later set it to MSC mode and now it is working like it should
16:04:38gevaertsRincewind: great
16:06:56jhMikeShow do you get around the partition table problem?
16:07:29jhMikeSand what is wrong with it? (In simple terms)
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16:08:29gevaertsI'm still looking at it. Once we know what is 'wrong' with it, we could fix it from within rockbox, but the OF might depend on the exact contents...
16:09:13*jhMikeS was wondering if that sector could be massaged when transmitted
16:09:58gevaertsIt could, but I would only do that if nothing else works...
16:11:30*jhMikeS wonders if a raw dump from directly in rockbox wouldn't be a good idea as a control. compare the two methods of obtaining it.
16:12:35*petur suddenly gets an idea for writing a hex viewer/editor with raw disk access
16:13:15jhMikeSNorton used to have one a long, long time ago
16:13:28peturon rockbox? ;)
16:13:30LambdaCalculus37Back when their tools were useful...
16:13:41LambdaCalculus37petur: Brilliant idea!
16:13:42ShaidI'm pretty sure, uh, whichever hex editor I have installed does that
16:13:45*Shaid looks
16:13:54jhMikeSrbUtilities? oh wait :p
16:14:17*petur had something like that already for looking at the eeprom of his h300
16:14:17*gevaerts found the problem
16:14:28LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: What was the problem?
16:14:35jhMikeSyes, speak!
16:14:46peturfirst, commercial break
16:15:03jhMikeSbeer commercial?
16:15:04gevaertsThe bootable flag is supposed to be 0x00 or 0x80 according to wikipedia, and linux checks that. On the gigabeat S, the bootable flag for these partitions are 0x01
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16:16:38jhMikeSso, umm how to fix without changing the disk or massaging data?
16:16:42gevaertsDoes someone here have a be
16:17:15gevaertsDoes someone here have a beast that shows the problem and the ability to fix the disk afterwards if it doesn't boot anymore after "fixing" this ?
16:17:51gevaertsjhMikeS: adding a workaround in the linux code, but that would take a long time before everyone has it...
16:17:59Nico_Pa disk enclosure would be needed, right?
16:18:23gevaertsNico_P: I think so, yes. Obviously the hope is that it will work
16:18:52Nico_PI don't think I'm willing to try it without a means to revert it easily if it fails
16:19:38*gevaerts wants to know _why_ it deviates from normal values
16:21:12Nico_Pphone toshiba!
16:22:23gevaertsNico_P: of course, as long as you're still developing, you could use a patched kernel
16:23:21Nico_PI'm not too keen on that either
16:23:35jhMikeSgevaerts: which wikipedia article
16:26:06peturgevaerts: seen this?
16:26:57peturis the rest of the table ok? maybe garbage in there?
16:27:32gevaertspetur: not really relevant I think. That's just about disks with no partition table
16:28:11gevaertspetur: if I fix the bootable flags my system finds partitions. Of course it complains about size, my flash stick is smaller than the gigabeat...
16:29:00peturwell I was just googling for boot indicator ;)
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16:32:02*gevaerts hopes that someone will try just fixing the table
16:32:41peturcan you connect the disk to a pc directly to revert in case it goes wrong? Can we dual boot and write a restore function in RB to revert?
16:33:19Nico_Pthere's no knowing that the OF's BL will allow rockbox to boot after the change has been made
16:33:25gevaertsConnecting directly if you have the necessary hardware should work without problems.
16:33:54Nico_Pbut I guess the device would go in restore mode if the part table is incorrect
16:34:21*gevaerts looks at Nico_P to try this :)
16:34:55Nico_Poh come on :)
16:35:12*jhMikeS thinks having to mod this stuff in a functional port would be not so great anyway
16:35:46*jhMikeS dares Nico_P
16:35:57*gevaerts doesn't see a _clean_ way to solve this
16:37:06peturthere's a reason devs have multiple DAPs. For the case that you brick one when trying stuf... :p
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16:39:37*gevaerts can't try it unless someone sends him a beast ;)
16:40:12*jhMikeS is clinging to his
16:44:39*gevaerts notices that BigBambi has put his gigabeat disk in his ipod video at least once. He can probably do it again :)
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16:45:26*Nico_P is pondering
16:47:32*gevaerts encourages Nico_P
16:48:09Nico_Pwhat should I do? hand-edit the dump and dd it back, or use (s)fdisk?
16:48:59gevaertsDownload gevaerts/gigabeat-S-mbr-fixed"> and dd it to the device
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16:50:22Nico_Pso that would be dd if=gigabeat-S-mbr-fixed ff=/dev/sdb count=1 ?
16:50:56Nico_Ptypo again :)
16:51:03gevaertscount is not really needed here, but it can't hurt
16:51:42*gevaerts recommends to always double-check dd commands for typos ;)
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16:53:30Nico_Pit worked!
16:53:50Nico_PI ran the dd, rebooted
16:54:00Nico_Pthe boot process went fine
16:54:09Nico_Pand on connect, both partitions showed up
16:54:58*linuxstb reads the logs and tries to catch up...
16:55:00*Nico_P tries to boot the OF
16:55:32linuxstbThe problem was that Linux refused to mount the partitions because the bootable flag was invalid? But Windows mounted them fine?
16:56:00Nico_Pwell the OF appears to work fine too
16:56:03gevaertslinuxstb: yes. My guess is that linux has to be more careful because it supports much more partition types
16:57:14*gevaerts votes to make this part of the installation procedure. After all it only changes two bits. That can hardly hurt
16:57:14linuxstbI've been wondering if Rockbox should (by default at least) hide the firmware partition - to protect users from themselves...
16:58:55gevaertsMaybe it still works if the partition type is 0x1b instead of 0x0b (FAT32 hidden). That would IMO be the cleanest way to achieve that
17:00:20jhMikeSlinuxstb: I think so since I don't want to mess up because of a stupid mistake and perhaps a backdoor keypress to get around it if desired
17:00:34gevaertsReally hiding the partition would mean adding block translation and fake partition tables to the UMS driver.
17:00:50linuxstbgevaerts: Yes, that's what I was thinking...
17:00:50*gevaerts doesn't object to that, but doesn't volunteer either
17:01:20linuxstbjhMikeS: Yes, I think some kind of "recovery mode" USB mode in the bootloader (accessible with a key combination) would be nice...
17:03:04jhMikeSI haven't dared trying to install another bootloader by dropping an nk.bin there yet though I can't see why it shouldn't allow it.
17:03:25Nico_PI might try it
17:03:55*Nico_P has a phone call to make before, though
17:04:45*jhMikeS is comfortable with letting Nico_P be his stunt double
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17:05:34LambdaCalculus37Drat... for some reason, I can't get the hacked Gigabeat V updater to work properly under Wine.
17:06:01linuxstbLambdaCalculus37: Why do you need to? Does sendfirm not work for you?
17:06:29LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: sendfirm works fine, but I wanted to see if I can pull out the nk.bin file from the updater.
17:06:53jhMikeSafterall, I really don't want to get held back for hrs days? weeks? trying to get sound
17:06:54LambdaCalculus37I want to keep a clean, unpatched copy around that I can copy to patch with the bootloader.
17:08:35*gevaerts still doesn't see why this sound is so imprtant ;)
17:11:02LambdaCalculus37Wait a second...
17:11:17Nico_Pupdating the bootloader by writing to /dev/sdb1 worked like a charm! :)
17:11:48*LambdaCalculus37 decides to grab the Gigabeat V updater and see if he can open it on his work PC
17:14:05*gevaerts thinks that MSC might be enough incentive to make some beast owners install rockbox
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17:26:46Nico_PjhMikeS: what did you mean with your comment about sound?
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17:27:24LucidHi. Can I have a write permission to the wiki?
17:27:32jhMikeSNico_P: I don't want to get held back by trying the stunts you are and messing something up. :)
17:27:44Nico_Pah, I see :)
17:27:57Nico_Pwell the stunts work fine ;)
17:28:42toffe82Lucid: are you going to help with the t400 ?
17:30:05Lucidtoffe: yes. I have a beast and T401S. Thinking of updating GigabeatTinfo, helping Japanese translation stuff and so on...
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17:30:58Lucidnot much of a coder though...
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17:31:23toffe82I have the t400, I try the update yesterday and it doesn't work on it :(
17:31:25markunLucid: would there be any demand for a japanese or chinese input method?
17:32:55Lucidtoffe82: I read through the Toshiba Japanese site, it seems that T updater only works on v2(WiFi inside)
17:33:25*jhMikeS bangs head about this first connect after startup thing
17:33:44toffe82yes, I read it also from what I understand after a google transaltion :)
17:33:54markunLucid: ok, you have write permission now
17:34:40toffe82Lucid: can you tell me what is this exchange made by toshiba for the t401 ? the translation is not so clear
17:36:34Lucidmarkun: I think japanese and chinese has too much characters for DAPs to input.. People who use Rockbox (usually) has a PC with them, so inputting those characters are maybe too hard for us.
17:36:53Lucidmarkun: and thank you for the permission :)
17:37:13LambdaCalculus37Lucid: Welcome to Rockbox! :)
17:37:32markunLucid: yes, probably. And not easy to guess the right chinese characters from a pinyin input for example.
17:37:46LucidI usually don't type English on PC... my slow typing is so slow!
17:38:02markunthe hangul input method for rockbox was easy
17:41:03Nico_PjhMikeS: maybe commit the current state as it almost works
17:41:27*gevaerts agrees
17:41:44Nico_Pyou might get a hunch later on while doing something elese
17:42:12Nico_Ps/almost works/works almost perfectly
17:42:22gevaertsFor instance while testing out your newly working sound driver later this week ;)
17:42:36Nico_Phehe, exactly what I had in mind ;)
17:42:42markunLucid: don't worry about the slow typing, you will get used to it :)
17:42:55Lucidtoffe82: checking now... The site deleted the info of t401v1 so I can't compare easily:(
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17:45:17LucidLambdaCalculus37: Thanks! I was reading this IRC's log for almost an year, i really love Rockbox people.
17:45:37LambdaCalculus37Lucid: :)
17:46:16LambdaCalculus37Lucid: To be honest, I was a wee bit confused at first when you mentioned a Gigabeat T model that has no WiFi.
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17:48:32toffe82Lucid: I think it is this one
17:48:38LambdaCalculus37I didn't even know there was a WiFi-enabled model. Here in the U.S., we get the model without WiFi.
17:51:44LucidLambdaCalculus37: Yeah. Toshiba just started to sell WiFi-enabled model (T401). And the one with no WiFi is called T401S. Pretty confusing...
17:52:44LambdaCalculus37Lucid: Indeed. But I'll see if they start appearing in stores here in the States.
17:53:57Lucidtoffe82: I found this japanese news site;
17:54:57Lucidaccording to this article, they started to sell T401 and T401S at the same time(which I was wrong above)
17:56:13toffe82Lucid: can you check the link I gave ?
17:56:32Lucidand it says that T401 was only able to connect to PodCast. At first it couldn't connect via WiFi and download videos.
18:00:56Lucidtoffe82: the link you gave me claims that v2.0 (1) enables public WiFi connect to "Gyao", the japanese video hosting service from SOFTBANK corporation.
18:03:28toffe82Lucid: and they made an exchange to update the firmware ?
18:03:53Lucidtoffe82: right.
18:04:13*jhMikeS can dump it in SVN...yessum. Device memory usage gets changed for PP targets but they work fine too.
18:05:02Lucidv2.0 (2) able to change the main menu's font size to "Normal" "Big" "very Big"
18:06:16LucidI don't understand why they made us send the actual hardware. maybe changed some internals?
18:10:58toffe82Lucid: what version do you have ?
18:13:33Lucidtoffe82: I have T401S. (maybe same as yours). my friend has a T401 v2
18:14:04toffe82Lucid: the picture on the wiki are from my t400
18:14:27LambdaCalculus37Lucid: Looking at both firmware updates will be very useful.
18:14:43toffe82lucid : do you know if it is still possible to find the X60 ?
18:16:26Lucidtoffe82: should I try to open up my T401S? :) for X60 i'll go look for auctions.
18:18:30LucidLambdaCalculus37: indeed. i compared the binaries of the V updater and T. most parts looks the same but i'm not a specialist for these type of hacking :p
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18:21:31LambdaCalculus37Lucid: I was figuring out how a port for the Gigabeat T would work, and was playing with the concept of checking for whether WiFi hardware is present or not.
18:21:39bluebrotherdoes anyone know who this Michael is who wrote on the devcon thread?
18:21:53LambdaCalculus37bluebrother: For West or Euro?
18:21:55bluebrotheras he was nice enough to leave out his last name I have no idea myself ...
18:21:59bluebrotherLambdaCalculus37: Euro
18:22:06bluebrotherthe discussion about berlin
18:22:25pixelmabluebrother: no idea here too
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18:23:29bluebrotherI'm tempted to reply that him not attending is nothing I consider a con unless he is a dev or staffer ...
18:23:41bluebrotherand it doesn't look like he is one, is he?
18:24:03LucidLambdaCalculus37: Ah. If thats the way it works, it will be pretty hard to modify the updater...
18:24:47LambdaCalculus37bluebrother: I have absolutely no idea who that is.
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18:27:29Lucidtoffe82: Sorry I couldn't find one on main japanese auctions...:(
18:27:41pixelmabluebrother: I just thought he misunderstood what "con" means...
18:28:22bluebrotherpossible ...
18:28:36bluebrotheror he missed the "dev" part.
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18:29:24LambdaCalculus37pixelma: I think he did misunderstand.
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18:30:02toffe82Lucid: you can open it if you don't mind to see the differnce with the t400
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18:35:42pixelmabluebrother: you seem to understand him in an even different way *shrug*
18:36:55domonok1so we should make the devcon in stockholm, then we dont have to talk about those ads :-)
18:38:40Buschelamiconn: you there?
18:38:52bluebrotherhehe ... :)
18:39:34bluebrotherhe claims that accomodation would be cheap in berlin ... but is that also true for the target date? I noticed huge differences depending on timeframe
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18:44:34Horschtyay, my ipod radio remote arrived
18:45:54pixelmanow make it work with Rockbox ;)
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18:46:16LambdaCalculus37Horscht: Or you get no dinner. ;)
18:46:24Horschtit doesn't already? you told me it did! I want my donation back!
18:46:39Horschti'm gonna tell mommy
18:46:54markundid LinusN commit his ipod remote code?
18:47:09Horschtno, but there's a patch on FS
18:47:21HorschtI am checking out/compiling
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18:55:44*Nico_P spots the commit :)
18:57:21*LambdaCalculus37 saw it too :)
18:58:31Nico_PLambdaCalculus37: have you seen what's necessary to get the partitions to be recognized by linux?
18:59:49amiconnjhMikeS: Ehum... beast bootloader is red...
19:00:00Nico_Pheh, with UMS and rolo, things are looking good now :)
19:00:02jhMikeSI know, why's it picking up the define :\
19:00:26jhMikeSRolo isn't right at all when actually roloing a new image
19:01:13jhMikeSData abort, weird crashes, etc.
19:01:25Nico_Pit loaded the new firmware file fine here
19:01:36jhMikeSsometimes it does
19:02:07amiconngevaerts, jhMikeS: I don't think that hiding the firmware partition by default needs sophisticated sector address translation
19:02:58amiconnRockbox usb would just need special handling for the mbr, translating the standard fat(32?) partition type of the firmware partition into "hidden fat32"
19:03:20LambdaCalculus37Nico_P: I was reading earlier.
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19:03:27LambdaCalculus37But I haven't got my PC with my today.
19:03:38amiconnOf course it would be easier if the OF doesn't care and still boots with the partition actually set to that type
19:07:04amiconnjhMikeS: Where does the bin delta for PP come from?
19:07:31amiconn(PP502x to be precise)
19:07:41jhMikeSdid some changes in general to handle memory differences
19:08:13jhMikeSand fixed a bad spot in some error handling that would leave abandoned wakeup signals
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19:09:48jhMikeSthere were also some handling of things with UNCACHED_ADDR that needed fixing (when getting descriptors)
19:10:00*amiconn wonders whether we might have too many memory attributes by now
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19:11:14jhMikeSafaikatm I can't handle the noncacheable stuff in such a trivial way on imx31
19:12:51jhMikeSespecially since the memory mapping can't be flat unless it's possible to move the framebuffer physical address
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19:39:16*gevaerts also noticed
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19:45:31LucidI just managed to gigabeat T401S recognize on win2000 / wmp9
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19:50:48toffe82Lucid: is there a way to find the firmware of the t410s / t400
19:51:05toffe82some download from toshiba ?
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19:53:20LucidLambdaCalculus37: there is an unofficial driver for S30 to work on win98&2k
19:54:49LucidI used usbview on XP and looked for T's VID&UID, and changed the .inf file... it worked nicely
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19:56:06saratogais not working for anyone else?
19:57:18desowinworks here
19:57:28LambdaCalculus37Works here too.
19:57:46gevaertsdoesn't seem to work here
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19:59:35LambdaCalculus37Lucid: Thanks for the driver. ;)
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19:59:53LambdaCalculus37Although I use Linux, I can use it on a virtual PC session.
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20:03:11LucidLambdaCalculus37: :)
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20:05:47LambdaCalculus37Lucid: Want to start jotting your findings down on the GigabeatTInfo page in the wiki?
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20:09:36troy_any one know about hitachi sh cpu
20:10:00saratogatroy_: yes, we support some players using SH1 CPUs
20:10:54rockbox-domonokythe old archos players run with those sh cpus (~11Mhz)..
20:11:04troy_do you understand the asemble language of the sh cpu?
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20:11:45saratogai don't, but its well documented
20:11:54*domonoky">rockbox-domonoky doesnt know it, but i am sure there is a sh arm manual somewhrer..
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20:13:01LucidLambdaCalculus37: gathering the info now ;)
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20:15:03LambdaCalculus37Lucid: Any links with useful information can be linked to as well.
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20:22:10ChrononI was thinking to put some information on the wiki about where to find suitably licensed images (e.g. for themes). Any good ideas on where to put this? I was considering possibly adding a section to the ThemeGuidelines page, but that would involve some discussion of licensing to give this information context.
20:23:32LambdaCalculus37Chronon: If it's CC-licensed works, then I don't think it'd be too much trouble to link to it.
20:23:39LambdaCalculus37But just to make sure...
20:24:20ChrononI was planning to link to the CC-search pages of Flickr and openphoto
20:24:32ChrononThey allow you to search images by CC license type
20:24:42Chrononor browse might be more accurate
20:25:21bertrikrockbox_gevaerts: nice to see that USB now passes all USB tests I dared to run!
20:25:30Chrononno... I searched yesterday on Flickr at least.
20:25:34rockbox_gevaertsbertrik: even the stall ?
20:26:48bertrikyes I think so, chapter 9 tests were all green
20:27:02rockbox_gevaertsgreat !
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20:28:06bertriktried again, still green. It passes the bulk of the tests in about 2 or 3 seconds and takes a little longer doing the 150 enumerations, but that's normal
20:29:07Mouser_X2linuxstb: I did "ls -l sendfirm" and apparently it didn't have executable rights... Right-clicking it and selecting properties allowed me to change this. However, at the time that I did this I was on the way out the door to catch a bus. As such, I haven't had the chance to try sending firmware to my device yet.
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20:32:22bertrikrockbox_gevaerts: I didn't run much of the MSC tests, but the HaltEndpointTest of the ch9 suite worked
20:32:41*rockbox_gevaerts has to check what change fixed that...
20:33:18bertrikI just saw that jhMikeS did some work on USB today, maybe he fixed it
20:33:18*jhMikeS fixed a race condition and abandoned signal problem
20:33:35rockbox_gevaertscould be
20:34:51*jhMikeS just makes up names for things and doesn't know if that makes sense to anyone :p
20:35:17*rockbox_gevaerts will read the diff later today
20:35:37bertrikdepends on the kind of things you make names up for
20:35:46jhMikeSyou'd have to diff the drv files manually because svn wasn't liking moving it
20:36:11rockbox_gevaertsI know. I'll manage :)
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20:36:52jhMikeSbertrik: pretty much anything since I really don't know what people call stuff. :)
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20:38:06jhMikeShow something works is far more mentally accessible than vocabulary
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20:38:25*rockbox_gevaerts agrees
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20:43:47Lucidargh, times up :( I really should go to sleep tonight. just added the updater link to the wiki... I will add some more stuff later.
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20:44:01Lucidgood night
20:44:02*jhMikeS starts thinking "sound" and tries to focus on the task at hand...and kindly persuades toffe82 to find some GPIOs (HEADPHONEMUTE, Audio LDO enable)
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20:44:43Chronongood night, Lucid
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20:45:18bertrikI've wondered if it would be possible to have a bit flipper or something in one of the debug screens
20:47:16saratogabertrik: theres a plugin that does that on the H10, it could probably be adaptec
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20:48:04bertriksaratoga: ok, what's it called?
20:49:48saratogabertrik: FS #8054
20:51:10bertrikah interesting!
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20:57:14toffe82jhMikeS: :)
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21:18:53Mouser_X2jhMikeS: Awesome job on the beast's USB support!
21:19:03Mouser_X2Hopefully I'll get the chance to try it out myself...
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21:22:20bertrikhmmm, trying to start the pictureflow plugin while playing music stops the playback boost
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21:43:17amiconnHmm, do we have a standard audio test file nowadays (encoded in all supported formats as far as that can be encoded)?
21:43:44*amiconn noticed that there's no indication of realtime for shorten and alac on PP5002, but has no such files
21:44:14LambdaCalculus37amiconn: There's one posted on the Codec Performance page:
21:45:08LambdaCalculus37I don't know if that's what you're looking for, though.
21:47:47*LambdaCalculus37 doesn't know any other one
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21:48:08amiconnThere was the idea of having a standard (open licensed) reference track for performance comparison, encoded in all supported formats that support encoding
21:48:43amiconnThis wiki page is a start, but the "encoder pack" only covers a fraction of the supported formats
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21:49:18LambdaCalculus37amiconn: I figure a CC-licensed song would do.
21:49:59amiconnIt's missing ac3, speex, alac, shorten, ape
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21:51:02amiconnLambdaCalculus37: Yes
21:51:19amiconnBtw, I also forgot to mention mp1 and mp2 being missing
21:51:34*LambdaCalculus37 suggests getting a song from Magnatune; they're all CC licensed
21:51:40LambdaCalculus37As far as I know, anyway. :)
21:51:53amiconnIf we select such a song, it should be put on the dowload server, encoded in all those different formats
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22:04:10Afrokennoob here. is it possible to ask questions?
22:04:50bertrikAfroken: sure
22:05:43markunAfroken: as long as it's related to rockbox :)
22:06:08Afrokenfirst I have a sansa e250. I can't seem to locate my video files. I converted them with WinFF and put them in a new folder called video2
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22:07:03Afrokenshucks I wanted to ask you about my personal problems. :D
22:07:26bertrikmaybe the folder's hidden, but I think rockbox shows hidden files too by default
22:07:47LloreanAfroken: how are you trying to locate it?
22:08:03bertrikif you press down for two seconds you get to a menu where you can select what kind of files are shown
22:08:04Afrokenthrough files
22:09:08LloreanAfroken: Are you sure you know where the folder is located? (You created it in MSC mode?)
22:09:36Afrokenis my folder supposed to be in the root folder?
22:09:48Afrokenyes i'm in msc mode.
22:09:59LloreanIt's wherever you put it.
22:10:17LloreanIt won't show up in the root folder unless you create it there.
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22:13:47Afrokenis there a difference in the file format .mpg or .mpeg?
22:14:29gevaertsMoth suffixes should work
22:15:31Afrokenwell it's .mpg file and i can see it using what bertrik said, but still no luck in playing it
22:16:13*amiconn found that cowon lied a bit about the thickness of the X5 and M5 in their manuals
22:16:23amiconnThey state thickness "excluding LCD"
22:16:38gevaertsWhat use is that ?
22:16:43*amiconn measured and fixed that in the device chart, while adding the M3
22:17:43Afrokenhmmm... second question. When i go to recording it says that the disk is full. any way of fixing that? Sorry for all the questions
22:18:17bertrikAfroken: is your disk full?
22:18:33Afrokeni even tried empyting the recycle bin
22:18:53Afrokenonly 696mb used
22:20:20LloreanAfroken: Windows sometimes doesn't update things that Rockbox uses to determine disk fullness. There's a screen where you can make Rockbox re-scan the disk, but I can't remember which, nor the button map for your player.
22:20:33amiconnRockbox Info
22:21:39Afrokenrockbox info has 696mb :(
22:22:24amiconnSo the fsinfo block is up to date
22:24:49amiconnYou said you have 696MB, and Rockbox info displays that value
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22:27:28*amiconn found some problems with read-only lists... too bad JdGordon isn't here
22:27:48bertrikAfroken: weird, maybe it's a bug, does it still happen after powering down and up?
22:28:22Afrokeni might try and reinstall rockbox
22:28:45gevaertsAfroken: try running chkdsk on it first
22:28:46amiconnThere could be several reasons why it won't record. (1) The filesystem might be slightly corrupt. Try chkdsk
22:29:44Afrokenbtw thanks everyone for your help! :)
22:29:45amiconn(2) You might have set a recording directory within another directory, which both are no longer present. Rockbox tries to recreate the set recording directory if it's missing, but (probably) fails if its parent is also missing
22:31:01amiconn@all: Is the e250 formatted FAT16?
22:31:24*gevaerts checks his partition table collection
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22:32:07Afrokenanother noob ? where is checkdisk?
22:32:07gevaertsamiconn: the partition type is 0x0b (FAT32)
22:32:50amiconnA bit weird, but then possible problem (3) won't apply
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22:34:37gevaertsAfroken: good question... I'm not a windows user, so I can't tell you
22:34:41peturAfroken: on the commandline, type: chkdsk X: /f (X being the driveletter)
22:35:39peturso first do START -> Run and type cmd
22:36:07Afrokenon through windows. Doh
22:39:11*amiconn spotted another 2 missing targets in the device chart...
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23:27:00markundid you upload the fonts somewhere or make screenshots?
23:27:41fmlmarkun: FS #8899. I can't make screenshots, that's what I want to ask you :-)
23:28:06markunok, let me try
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23:29:13fmlmarkun: I could of course prepare a .fnt file, build a sim etc, but I have no sim build for the daps with big (=wide) screens.
23:31:19markunI'm building a sim now
23:31:51markundoes it have to be a wide screen? I'm building for the gigabeat (240x320)
23:33:44fmlmarkun: not necessarily. I just thought that the wider version would/should better be used on wider screens to avoid scrolling. This will be only few pixels more though since there are not many capitals in song titles/artists etc.
23:33:59markunI'm going to use the text viewer
23:34:27fmlI think there is no need to adjust small letters. But the capitals seem a bit narrow to me.
23:34:59amiconnfml: Why can't you make screenshots?
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23:37:29fmlamiconn: in the end it comes to laziness (to say it directly). And I had't much time recently.
23:38:06markunmy guess would have been lazyness as well since it doesn't take a lot of time
23:39:17fmlmarkun: I never lie :-)
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