| 00:00:38 | toffe82 | so if there is always a way to recover |
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| 00:02:19 | DerPapst | beast, beavt or both? |
| 00:02:39 | toffe82 | I am on the V actually |
| 00:02:47 | toffe82 | but the S must be the same |
| 00:02:49 | gevaerts | bricks are useful to build towers :) |
| 00:03:00 | amiconn | Probably the V and S are about as similar as the F and X |
| 00:03:31 | Orimili | i like the S |
| 00:05:10 | DerPapst | do they have the same screen resolution? i guess they do |
| 00:06:23 | toffe82 | yes |
| 00:06:37 | toffe82 | but the screen is bigger on the V |
| 00:07:37 | * | DerPapst preferes the s then :-) |
| 00:07:39 | toffe82 | but I have to find out if the security hole on the S is working on the V, I need to contact zunepet :) |
| 00:08:21 | DerPapst | however i like landscape targets more. |
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| 00:45:54 | preglow | hrmph |
| 00:46:08 | preglow | is there no way to detect an accessory? i doubt apple handles accessory power this way |
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| 00:56:14 | Llorean | Do we have a policy on wiki pages like this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LogoSwapper |
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| 00:56:36 | Llorean | It's simply a third party tool someone random has created to directly modify a Rockbox binary. As well, it has no included license or anything, to boot. |
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| 01:00:27 | gevaerts | I think that the wiki page is not a problem as such, but the binary with no license is (at least as long as it's actually hosted on the rockbox.org server) |
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| 01:01:21 | * | gevaerts also doesn't see the point. You see that bitmap for all of two seconds |
| 01:03:24 | * | DerPapst replaced it on noe target... |
| 01:03:29 | DerPapst | *one |
| 01:04:12 | gevaerts | Did you put an iPL logo on it ? |
| 01:04:35 | DerPapst | heh no...but maybe i should :-) |
| 01:06:35 | Llorean | gevaerts: Well it's, in a way, similar to the idea of hosting unsupported builds. We don't like people creating wiki page for their BobBuild or whatever. |
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| 01:06:42 | Llorean | But yeah, the big issue is the lack of license. |
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| 01:09:08 | gevaerts | Llorean: good point. |
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| 01:12:02 | Llorean | Basically, its use turns any build into an unsupported build, as well. It's closed source, so we can't check what it's doing, and even if it's open source, it's making a modification of the binary and we can't be assured it's bug free, ever, really. |
| 01:12:27 | w1ll14m | gnight all, we'll see what happens tomorrow ;) |
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| 01:12:48 | * | gevaerts agrees. |
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| 01:13:08 | w1ll14m | i might have done something interesting... |
| 01:13:19 | w1ll14m | but i will let it know if it is finished |
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| 01:13:33 | * | Llorean updates the warning on the page, for now |
| 01:14:57 | * | DerPapst guesses it has something to do with the beast and i2c |
| 01:15:21 | quest23 | /msg nickserv set hide email on |
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| 01:17:14 | DerPapst | /ns gost quest23 bla |
| 01:17:19 | DerPapst | *ghost even |
| 01:17:47 | kkurbjun | If we have to make a new gigabeat bootloader release, would it be better to have the original firmware take care of the extra case when it's loaded with the old FW? It shouldn't be hard to do, but the code is dependent on how large specific portions of code are |
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| 01:18:36 | kkurbjun | so the downside is that in the future people could be running into bugs caused by this code if the begining portions of the code increase much |
| 01:18:50 | kkurbjun | specifically the mmu portions of the code |
| 01:19:00 | Llorean | kkurbjun: "The extra case"? |
| 01:19:26 | kkurbjun | the old bootloader loads rockbox with an offset of 100 bytes |
| 01:19:38 | kkurbjun | to allow for the vector table to be copied back in |
| 01:19:46 | kkurbjun | and it's also linked that way |
| 01:19:56 | kkurbjun | but that causes problems with the flash enabled builds |
| 01:20:20 | kkurbjun | so that 100 byte offset can be detected if rockbox is loaded with an older fw and taken care of |
| 01:20:45 | kkurbjun | but if the code in crt0.s is offset much more it won't work right |
| 01:21:09 | kkurbjun | right now it's not an issue, but I could see it being a problem if someone added more features to the mmu code |
| 01:21:21 | Llorean | Ah |
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| 01:21:51 | kkurbjun | the consequence of loading with an older bootloader is the player shuts down emmediately |
| 01:22:07 | kkurbjun | but we have the bootloader usb mode that people can use to update their bootloader |
| 01:22:24 | kkurbjun | or I can add code in to take care of an older bootloader |
| 01:22:26 | Llorean | We've broken support for older bootloaders in the past. |
| 01:22:33 | Llorean | When it's necessary enough |
| 01:22:43 | Llorean | But I don't know what you mean by "have the original firmware take care of the extra case" |
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| 01:24:14 | kkurbjun | sorry, I worded that completely wrong "would it be better to have the original firmware take care of the extra case when it's loaded with the old FW?" I mean Would it be better to have the main rockbox build take care of the extra case when it's loaded with the old bootloader |
| 01:24:29 | kkurbjun | wow, that sentence didn't communicate what I meant at all :P |
| 01:24:37 | Llorean | That's perhaps why I was confused. :) |
| 01:24:39 | MRW | New here. I have a .frm radio preset file for San Diego CA to upload. |
| 01:26:13 | Llorean | kkurbjun: I'd say it's okay to break support for the old bootloader as long as we try to get the new bootloader out *before* we break the old one (assuming the new bootloader works with old builds). We broke old builds with dual core support, and things went over okay. The important thing is that the new bootloader can be installed when Rockbox itself can't boot, and bootloader USB should allow for this |
| 01:26:56 | Llorean | MRW: .fmr, and are you asking for wiki write access? |
| 01:26:56 | kkurbjun | unfortunately there's not a clean way to release a new bootloader before it's required |
| 01:27:10 | Llorean | kkurbjun: New bootloader won't work with old builds? |
| 01:27:47 | pixelma | MRW: are you asking for wiki write permission? Then we'd have to know your wiki name... :) |
| 01:27:57 | * | pixelma too slow |
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| 01:28:09 | MRW | Llorean: Yep. |
| 01:28:23 | Llorean | MRW: Then as pixelma said, we need to know your wiki name |
| 01:28:30 | MRW | Wiki Name: Marc Whitaker |
| 01:28:33 | kkurbjun | no, the old bootloader added that 100 byte offset, the new one doesn't and I don't see a really good way to detect whether it's an old build or not. I'm trying to unify the bootloader and the main build code along with adding in a way for rolo to work |
| 01:28:47 | kkurbjun | along with flash booting of the bootloader and the main build |
| 01:29:30 | kkurbjun | when I say unify the bootloader and main build code I'm specifically talking about removing the bootloader special cases scattered around |
| 01:29:46 | kkurbjun | in the lcd driver, and in CRT0.s |
| 01:30:22 | Llorean | MRW: You should have write access now |
| 01:30:50 | Llorean | kkurbjun: This is when RButil could've come in handy, if people were using it widely |
| 01:30:52 | MRW | Llorean: Thanks. |
| 01:31:21 | Llorean | kkurbjun: But I guess a note on major changes and the front page would be okay, imho. But I guess others should weigh in. |
| 01:31:42 | * | amiconn wants that link back, btw |
| 01:32:23 | Llorean | amiconn: Who was that directed at? |
| 01:32:39 | amiconn | MajorChanges link... |
| 01:32:51 | Llorean | Ah. |
| 01:32:52 | Llorean | Agreed |
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| 01:34:23 | kkurbjun | yeah, I'll wait and see if anyone else has an opinion - I'm going to work on adding detection and see if I can get some of this mmu code out of .init.text |
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| 01:36:36 | amiconn | Llorean: Do you remember where that link used to be located on the front page? |
| 01:37:05 | Llorean | amiconn: No, I don't. |
| 01:42:16 | * | Nico_P doesn't recall there being a link to majorchanges on the front page |
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| 01:48:51 | DerPapst | there was.. iirc it was located near the recent svn table |
| 01:49:36 | Llorean | Yeah, it was definitely somewhere in that vicinity I think |
| 01:49:42 | Llorean | I remember seeing it there, for sure |
| 01:49:45 | Llorean | On the page, I mean |
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| 02:03:37 | DerPapst | night all :-) |
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| 02:25:33 | almita | hola necesito ayuda tengo un ipod 80gb 5.5g y corre bien el ipodlinux y el rockbox |
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| 02:26:28 | rolama | hola |
| 02:26:31 | rolama | holaaaaaaaa |
| 02:26:37 | rolama | alguien me puede ayudar |
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| 02:30:08 | rolama | I have a 80gb iPod generation 5.5 and installed linuxmanager and rockbox and ilaunch and not working |
| 02:30:57 | cool_walking_ | I have no idea what linuxmanager or ilaunch are, but they're not supported. |
| 02:32:11 | rolama | I support good with rockbox |
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| 02:32:48 | cool_walking_ | Please rephrase that. |
| 02:34:02 | rolama | Ay some pluying to read pdf |
| 02:34:32 | rolama | And that I can not play pacman |
| 02:35:58 | cool_walking_ | Pacman requires you to have ROMs from a Pacman machine. I think you can only legally acquire these if you have your own Pacman machine. |
| 02:37:16 | rolama | And the next in pluyings of rockbox what is not working and try to start |
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| 02:39:35 | rolama | Is someone |
| 02:39:53 | cool_walking_ | I am trying to understand what you said. |
| 02:41:25 | rolama | OK apology |
| 02:42:04 | soap | iLaunch, if I understand correctly, is an iPodLinux application - irrelevant. |
| 02:42:51 | soap | Linuxmanager is another iPodLinux product, and possibly not irrelevant. |
| 02:43:02 | soap | rolama, what you need to do is remove the ipod linux bootloader. |
| 02:43:14 | soap | Get your iPod back to an Apple Firmware only state. |
| 02:43:57 | rolama | But that if noce if install rockbox but now I have and I want to know how good it is |
| 02:44:08 | soap | Then install the Rockbox bootloader. It will also launch iPod linux if you so desire, but we can not help you so long as the ipodlinux bootloader is on your system. It is not Rockbox software, and very well likely does not work well with Rockbox anymore. |
| 02:44:26 | soap | Rockbox is very good at playing music. |
| 02:44:56 | soap | I am sorry if I also misunderstood you and you have Rockbox working properly without problems. |
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| 02:45:17 | soap | Rockbox is ten times better than iPod linux at playing music. |
| 02:46:29 | rolama | I agree the sound quality is better but what else can I do I read pdf |
| 02:46:51 | soap | do you want to read a PDF on Rockbox, or are you saying you have read the PDF manual? |
| 02:48:39 | rolama | Want to read a PDF in Rockbox I saw him in a page that could or could even future |
| 02:49:16 | soap | Rockbox does not have a PDF viewer. |
| 02:49:45 | soap | :( |
| 02:50:22 | rolama | And pluying and applications are only brought default or I have more |
| 02:52:19 | rolama | And pluying and applications are only brought default or I have more |
| 02:54:12 | rolama | And pluying and applications are only brought default or I have more |
| 02:54:15 | cool_walking_ | We did see your message the first time, we are just having some difficulty understanding you. |
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| 02:57:30 | cool_walking_ | Could you try rephrasing? |
| 02:58:26 | rolama | Change that |
| 02:58:29 | cool_walking_ | There are some additional plugins if you are willing to compile your own build of Rockbox. |
| 02:59:10 | krazykit | none of them are PDF viewers though. |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:08 | cool_walking_ | Rockbox can currently only view plain text documents. There are PC tools available to convert PDF to plain text. Usually they are named "pdf2text" or something similar. |
| 03:00:12 | rolama | And where I get to explain |
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| 03:01:40 | rolama | And observe well the pdf where discharge converter |
| 03:03:25 | rolama | That changes the rockbox for 30gb and 60 and 80gb and has something to do such a version is the 5g and the other from 5.5g |
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| 03:06:09 | quest23 | what is car adapter mode in the general system settings for??? |
| 03:06:30 | cool_walking_ | rolama, are you using a language translator such as Babelfish or Google Translate? If so, maybe you could try another one. |
| 03:06:35 | Llorean | quest23: Is it not in the manual? |
| 03:07:19 | rolama | If you use Google |
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| 03:09:58 | rolama | And where I obtain the convertor and in that it(he,she) changes rockbox in the ipod of 30 and 60 and 80gb and also in as(according to) his(her,your) generations |
| 03:10:36 | rolama | This way already you can read it |
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| 03:14:55 | rolama | And where I obtain the convertor |
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| 03:15:34 | Llorean | rolama: The installation tools are described in the manual. |
| 03:15:40 | cool_walking_ | Which converter? PDF to plain text, or language translator? |
| 03:16:38 | rolama | PDF to plain text |
| 03:18:46 | rolama | Llorean Only I want to know of mas pluyings |
| 03:19:39 | Llorean | We do not know of more plugins. |
| 03:20:44 | rolama | And of applications |
| 03:21:10 | Llorean | Plugins are the same as applications. |
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| 03:22:07 | rolama | Then only I need the convertor of pdf to txt |
| 03:22:34 | Llorean | Use google. We don't have one. We only know they exist. |
| 03:22:50 | rolama | And topics apart from that sigh in the page |
| 03:23:36 | Llorean | I do not understand. |
| 03:24:01 | rolama | To ok thank you for his(her,your) help we meet then |
| 03:25:00 | rolama | Thank you |
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| 03:47:34 | Dark | Where can I download rockboy? :/ |
| 03:47:54 | Llorean | Please, read the manual. |
| 03:47:56 | Dark | I found a download before but it only had a .exe in it...or if thats what I need how do I install it to rockbox? |
| 03:48:20 | Dark | I've real everything in the past half hour -_- nothing. |
| 03:48:24 | Dark | read* |
| 03:48:44 | Llorean | What player do you have? |
| 03:48:54 | Dark | Sansa e250 |
| 03:49:27 | Llorean | So the manual has Rockboy in it? |
| 03:50:06 | Dark | Uh nope? |
| 03:50:11 | Dark | It does not. |
| 03:50:26 | Dark | The Wiki for Rockbox does, but it does not explain where to put it on the player :/. |
| 03:50:54 | Llorean | Dark: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch10.html#x13-20100010.3.5 |
| 03:51:01 | Llorean | This certainly looks like a section in the e200 manual for Rockboy to me... |
| 03:52:04 | Dark | Thanks, the manual I have, I looked for rockboy...X_x, maybe plugins was the key word there. |
| 03:52:36 | Llorean | Well, that's the official manual. It's generated from the .pdf file we provide, which is also the official manual. |
| 03:52:43 | Llorean | Since one is generated from the other, the content is identical. |
| 03:53:07 | Llorean | If you were looking at something else, other than something from the page behind the "Manual" link at our site, then it's not the manual |
| 03:53:13 | Dark | Wait, thats the manual for rockboy, but it says nothing about where to put on the player? |
| 03:53:55 | Llorean | All official plugins are included... |
| 03:54:24 | Dark | Really? Mine doesn't have rockboy when I installed rockbox >_< |
| 03:54:32 | Llorean | Yes it does |
| 03:54:41 | Llorean | Read the manual section I linked for how to use it. |
| 03:54:53 | Llorean | Maybe read the section header for "Viewers" as well, while you're at it. |
| 03:56:20 | Dark | I'm still lost here, if it's included, where in plugins on the player is it? It's not in the games, apps, or demos.... |
| 03:56:37 | Llorean | Did you read the section header for Viewers like I just told you to? |
| 03:57:31 | Dark | Just did but it's a tad confusing.. |
| 03:57:50 | Llorean | What exactly don't you understand? |
| 03:58:37 | Dark | Something about .links and having to create a .txt...? |
| 03:59:23 | Llorean | Uhm, are you sure you didn't just read the text viewer section, rather than the header for 'Viewers'? |
| 03:59:27 | Llorean | Please, take your time and read carefully |
| 03:59:54 | Llorean | Viewers cannot be run directly, you just play the file with the associated extension |
| 03:59:59 | Llorean | In the rockboy section it says "To start a game open a ROM file saved as .gb or .gbc in the file browser." |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:15 | Llorean | So, you "play" a .gbc file, and it runs. |
| 04:00:26 | Dark | Yes I've read the viewers. |
| 04:00:45 | Dark | ...Yes I know that |
| 04:00:52 | Dark | The problem is I don't -have- rockboy.. |
| 04:00:57 | Llorean | Yes, you DO |
| 04:01:06 | Llorean | Have you tried simply clicking on a .gbc file in the file browser? |
| 04:01:11 | Llorean | Exactly like it tells you to do? |
| 04:01:26 | Dark | x-X ooooh I get it. |
| 04:01:33 | Dark | I have to put the roms on, and I don't technically click rockboy... |
| 04:01:59 | Llorean | In there it explicitly says that you DON'T run the viewer itself |
| 04:02:10 | Dark | oh >_> so where should I put the roms?.. |
| 04:02:17 | Llorean | Anywhere |
| 04:02:37 | Dark | alright. |
| 04:02:38 | Dark | Let's see. |
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| 04:04:28 | Dark | I put the rom in the "games" folder, but it's not showing up? |
| 04:05:08 | Llorean | Are you using the normal file browser, and what do you have the "File view" setting set as? |
| 04:05:55 | Dark | Normal File Browser? And File view? [I have touched nothing since I installed rockbox so that may explain somethings] |
| 04:06:33 | Llorean | The "Files" option in the main menu. |
| 04:07:21 | Dark | Ah, so I create a folder there, and then...hmm |
| 04:07:31 | Llorean | "Files" is the file browser. |
| 04:07:35 | Dark | gotcha. |
| 04:07:40 | Llorean | I strongly suggest you spend a little more time getting familiar with the basics. |
| 04:07:47 | Llorean | Wherever you put them, you'll have to be able to find them through "Files" |
| 04:07:57 | Dark | so could I create a folder in the root named roms |
| 04:07:58 | Dark | and put them there |
| 04:08:00 | Dark | and acess it like that? |
| 04:08:05 | Llorean | It's going to be next to impossible for someone to help you decently if you're not familiar with the stuff in the manual. |
| 04:08:07 | Llorean | And, yes. |
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| 04:43:20 | Dark | is there any way to power-off my sansa e250? >_> it crashed...holding power fails... |
| 04:45:32 | fpletz | Dark: just keep on pressing power for about 20 seconds, should turn off anyway |
| 04:47:20 | Dark | oh lol |
| 04:47:22 | Dark | 50 seconds and it finally did |
| 04:48:06 | fpletz | hmm, never had to hold down that long ;) |
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| 04:52:28 | tarelerulz | I have the ipod nano block that does video , songs and photos |
| 04:52:43 | tarelerulz | I was wondering does rockbox work on that? |
| 04:53:37 | Llorean | No. |
| 04:53:49 | Llorean | Rockbox only works on the first iPod Nano |
| 04:55:11 | tarelerulz | Can you get interface to be easy to use like the ipod ? can you change stuff like that? |
| 04:56:03 | Llorean | I don't understand what you're asking. |
| 04:57:27 | tarelerulz | I have seen the rockbox gui and I was wondering change you chage it to something different. Layout , icons , ect |
| 04:58:11 | Llorean | It's open source, so technically you can change it however you want. |
| 04:58:40 | Llorean | But, more generally, the screen you see while music is playing is fully customizable, while the menus are more restricted. You can change the font, and icons, and colors, and background, but not much else right now |
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| 06:14:45 | Llorean | jhMikeS: You around? |
| 06:19:56 | jhMikeS | si |
| 06:20:13 | Llorean | Just wondering, now that UMS seems to work, maybe the bootloader should boot Rockbox primary now? |
| 06:20:40 | jhMikeS | could do that, yes |
| 06:20:55 | jhMikeS | Seems stable enough |
| 06:21:28 | Llorean | Seems logical to me, but I didn't know if there was any reasons I didn't know about for the reversed boot. |
| 06:22:25 | jhMikeS | not to me. it's still a developer port and flicking hold is annoying if retailos is on it. |
| 06:22:39 | Llorean | Yes |
| 06:26:37 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: (for the logs) I think I found the reason for the USB trouble on PP. Try setting USBMODE_STREAM_DISABLE in REG_USBMODE and putting things back in RAM as they were. I ran 2GB both ways with and without a hub without "no prime" or "bus reset" on H10. TXFILLTUNING should probably be configured instead of using that bit. This makes sense since it adjusts for system memory latencies and suggest as to why IRAM would have a positive effect |
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| 06:35:30 | jhMikeS | bootloader changed |
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| 07:38:41 | raphi | kann mir jemand sagen, wie eine 'database.ignore' aussehen soll? Wie muss ich da die pfade eintragen? |
| 07:41:33 | Llorean | raphi: This is an English language channel, please. |
| 07:42:04 | w1ll14m|aw | Llorean: how is it possible that you are here so much ? |
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| 07:42:31 | w1ll14m | i mean... you are here in the evenings, in the mornings, and in the nights.... |
| 07:42:33 | raphi | ok, sorry, I just wanted to ask how to use the 'database.ignore'. How shall I write the path in there? backslashes? normal slashes..? |
| 07:42:46 | Llorean | You don't put anything in it. |
| 07:42:52 | Llorean | You make copies of it. |
| 07:43:11 | Llorean | If you put a file called database.ignore in D:\stuff\, then the database will ignore everything in D:\stuff |
| 07:43:40 | raphi | Ok, no I know why that didn't work.... |
| 07:43:42 | raphi | Thanks! |
| 07:43:45 | w1ll14m | anyways, i'm gone to work :) see ya all soon. |
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| 07:43:56 | Llorean | w1ll14m: I'm very often near a computer. If I am, I try to leave a client open |
| 07:44:04 | w1ll14m|aw | ahh :) |
| 07:44:27 | w1ll14m|aw | well... i guess i'll see you aroung tonight when i'm back ;) |
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| 08:00:02 | * | Llorean hears it |
| 08:01:09 | B4gder | :-) |
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| 08:03:05 | Llorean | Not many votes re Devcon. :( |
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| 08:03:28 | B4gder | nah, but pretty consistent results anyway |
| 08:04:18 | Llorean | The few people who do care have a clear preference at least |
| 08:04:24 | B4gder | exactly |
| 08:04:36 | B4gder | I'm convinced it'll be like this tonight as well |
| 08:04:46 | Llorean | Probably |
| 08:04:48 | B4gder | I mean at the made up deadline for the vote |
| 08:05:17 | Llorean | By this point though, tickets are going to be more expensive for either place anyway. =/ |
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| 08:05:35 | B4gder | yeah :-/ |
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| 08:14:51 | * | amiconn didn't vote because he has no clear preference |
| 08:15:06 | scorche | same here |
| 08:15:15 | amiconn | I can't see the difference between not voting and putting '1' into both locations |
| 08:15:38 | Llorean | Putting 1 in both locations means "I saw the table, and I'm not going to whine about it later" |
| 08:20:11 | * | amiconn won't whine about the location, but only about possibly (probably?) having to organise stuff |
| 08:21:21 | B4gder | :-) |
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| 08:45:55 | iRRVi | how do i tell if my sansa is supported? |
| 08:46:23 | linuxstb | What model is it, and when did you buy it? |
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| 08:47:10 | linuxstb | And what is the firmware version? (you can see it somewhere in the menus, I'm not sure where...) |
| 08:47:14 | iRRVi | i didnt buy it |
| 08:47:32 | iRRVi | and the back is faded but i think it says e250R |
| 08:47:39 | iRRVi | or maybe e260R |
| 08:49:07 | advcomp2019 | iRRVi, what sansa firmware is on it? |
| 08:49:20 | iRRVi | im checkin right now |
| 08:49:45 | iRRVi | 1.0.2.100 |
| 08:50:42 | advcomp2019 | iRRVi, yep that is one of the e200R firmwares |
| 08:50:54 | iRRVi | so it should work? |
| 08:51:27 | advcomp2019 | yep it should.. just read and follow the steps |
| 08:51:30 | iRRVi | and is there any feasible way to make a bakcup of the firmware and then restore if it screw up |
| 08:51:42 | iRRVi | or is that addressed on the site? |
| 08:53:25 | advcomp2019 | you really dont have to back up the firmware that is on it.. plus there is a newer version out anyway that can be used if you mess it up |
| 08:55:19 | iRRVi | ah |
| 08:55:22 | iRRVi | good point >_< |
| 08:55:36 | iRRVi | much thanks |
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| 09:03:10 | cool_walking_ | I've thought of this on and off for a while - would it be feasible/easy/good/of use to continue using Rockbox, while using the UMS in a read-only state? So you could play music on Rockbox, and read files from the PC simultaneously. Just a limited-use feature idea spawned by my being too lazy to buy an audio extension cable to reach the PC sound card. |
| 09:03:56 | Llorean | I don't really see a practical use for it, though. |
| 09:04:04 | cool_walking_ | yeah me neither |
| 09:04:11 | cool_walking_ | except for that one case |
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| 09:05:49 | amiconn | In this case, both sides must not write to the disk. That rules out playback (as it has to save resume position regularly at least) |
| 09:06:07 | cool_walking_ | Why can't rockbox write? |
| 09:06:33 | amiconn | Because the PC side wouldn't be noticed that the disk's state has changed |
| 09:06:46 | cool_walking_ | So? |
| 09:08:15 | Shaid | A dramatised response: "Ok" says Mr. PC, "I might go read something, but I'm pretty sure the head is where I left it, so I'll just spool it all in." (whirry hdd noises) "What is THIS? This isn't what I asked for!!!". |
| 09:08:38 | petur | not really |
| 09:08:49 | Shaid | Don't believe everything you see in drama. |
| 09:08:50 | amiconn | Whenever more than one system accesses a single file system, *all* systems must not write to it, except if it's a cluster filesystem especially designed for that purpose |
| 09:08:59 | petur | rockbox and the pc both cache the fat for performance |
| 09:09:45 | cool_walking_ | ahkay.. |
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| 09:10:00 | amiconn | Cluster file systems have special mechanisms for signalling that something has changed |
| 09:12:08 | amiconn | On systems with true nvram, playback would be possible, but none of these has software usb |
| 09:13:55 | cool_walking_ | Okay, thanks for the info. |
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| 09:33:14 | iRRVi | wow |
| 09:33:19 | iRRVi | rockbox rocks |
| 09:33:42 | iRRVi | oh...maybe thats why its called "rock"box? |
| 09:34:02 | iRRVi | gotcha |
| 09:34:10 | * | GodEater waits for the obligatory "except it doesn't do X", or "maybe it would be better if it did Y" |
| 09:34:36 | iRRVi | i havent used it long enough to realise what is missing |
| 09:34:42 | iRRVi | i just installed it not 5 minutes ago |
| 09:35:02 | iRRVi | but its better than the original firmware so far |
| 09:35:17 | markun | iRRVi: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-01/0134.shtml |
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| 09:35:40 | iRRVi | exopecially cause it can do microSD HC on my sansa >_< |
| 09:35:51 | iRRVi | i think >_< |
| 09:36:03 | GodEater | it can |
| 09:36:11 | iRRVi | yey |
| 09:36:17 | * | GodEater has an 8GB card in his sansa |
| 09:36:34 | iRRVi | not that i could ever USE that much |
| 09:36:44 | iRRVi | but its cool none the less |
| 09:36:49 | * | GodEater 's 8GB card is full |
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| 09:37:01 | iRRVi | my music taste is very limited |
| 09:37:19 | iRRVi | to "nerdcore" and not much "other |
| 09:38:05 | iRRVi | although it would be nice if it could blow up the moon with the press of a button...or 5 |
| 09:41:30 | iRRVi | ooh |
| 09:41:42 | iRRVi | i like how you can up the bass |
| 09:41:45 | iRRVi | or treble |
| 09:41:53 | iRRVi | seperataly |
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| 09:49:20 | markun | iRRVi: you can't find it in the sound settings menu? |
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| 09:51:15 | GodEater | B4gder: the source archive appears not to have udpated again |
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| 09:54:01 | iRRVi | markun: i see it |
| 09:54:12 | iRRVi | im saying i like it |
| 09:54:27 | iRRVi | cause im pretty sure its not in the factory firmware |
| 09:54:29 | markun | ah, I misread |
| 09:54:35 | iRRVi | its all good |
| 09:55:55 | iRRVi | one more reason to love open source |
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| 10:04:33 | cool_walking_ | I assumed markun was talking about the blow-up-moon feature. |
| 10:09:03 | GodEater | that's in the Debug (Do not enter!) menu somewhere |
| 10:10:42 | iRRVi | yeah |
| 10:10:46 | iRRVi | i just found it |
| 10:11:07 | iRRVi | cause im a cheater who enters where he is not allowed |
| 10:11:44 | iRRVi | hey look two and a quarter o'clock i must get ti bed |
| 10:11:47 | iRRVi | nite all |
| 10:12:06 | iRRVi | (yeah, thats right i just said two and a quarter o'clock) |
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| 10:33:40 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: I'll try that later today (unless amiconn beats me to it). I do feel a bit stupid for not having seen that though ;) |
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| 10:56:03 | B4gder | GodEater: I'll have a look at it later |
| 10:56:44 | GodEater | B4gder: thank you |
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| 11:01:07 | mrkiko | :D |
| 11:01:08 | mrkiko | Hi all! |
| 11:01:27 | mrkiko | I can successfully crash rockbox when requesting several time to play the previous track |
| 11:01:30 | mrkiko | ... |
| 11:01:38 | mrkiko | the player crashes obviously always with ide disk active. |
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| 11:02:58 | MartinR | gevaerts: Even the OF seems to have the qh in IRAM. |
| 11:03:24 | MartinR | gevaerts: In the disassembly I found a chunk where they set ENDPOINTLISTADDR to an IRAM address. |
| 11:03:51 | Llorean | mrkiko: Have you filed a bug report with all the proper information? |
| 11:04:37 | MartinR | gevaerts: That's why I tried it then. |
| 11:05:01 | MartinR | gevaerts: Not sure about the td and buffer. They worked as well in DRAM for me. |
| 11:09:54 | gevaerts | MartinR: have you seen jhMikeS's finding about the streaming mode bit ? |
| 11:11:11 | MartinR | gevaerts: Saw it. I think I tried that several weeks ago without success. |
| 11:11:30 | MartinR | gevaerts: But maybe I did something wrong. |
| 11:12:10 | * | gevaerts will try it tonight, but has to finish his workday first :( |
| 11:13:09 | MartinR | gevaerts: Same for me. |
| 11:14:49 | gevaerts | I suspect that the 'disable interrupts while priming' is still needed. That may be why it didn't work for you earlier (or at least why it didn't work perfectly) |
| 11:16:35 | MartinR | gevaerts: Possibly. BTW, the current build works great for me. |
| 11:17:00 | gevaerts | For me as well, but it can only be declared "done" when it works on amiconn's hub :) |
| 11:17:08 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 11:17:12 | MartinR | gevaerts: :) |
| 11:17:46 | Mouser_X | Once USB support is fully working/default, are you going to start working on USB hosting? |
| 11:17:54 | Mouser_X | Some targets can do it... |
| 11:18:13 | * | Mouser_X looks at his beast. |
| 11:18:40 | MartinR | gevaerts: I've found a workaround for the SD driver bug, but I'm afraid it works only for my player and my SD card. |
| 11:18:52 | * | gevaerts looks around for people to do this. His gaze stops at Mouser_X ;) |
| 11:19:07 | * | Mouser_X happens to be holding a mirror. |
| 11:19:12 | MartinR | gevaerts: It's all about timings. |
| 11:20:17 | MartinR | gevaerts: +/- 1 usec makes a big difference here. |
| 11:20:37 | gevaerts | MartinR: it works here if I put the transfer buffer in iram, so I suspect that a small (512 bytes ?) iram buffer combined with some more interrupt disabling will do the trick, possibly combined with making sure that the critical code is in iram as well |
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| 11:21:13 | markun | hi goffa! |
| 11:21:41 | MartinR | gevaerts: For me this look like a hardware bug. |
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| 11:21:58 | MartinR | gevaerts: Or we are overclocking something. |
| 11:22:04 | * | gevaerts tries to trick MartinR into doing all the hard work, so that he can increase his commit count without doing anything ;) |
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| 11:23:09 | Mouser_X | It'd be pretty neat to hook up a USB microphone to the beast, and use it as a recording target... |
| 11:23:22 | * | MartinR sometimes feels the urge to dig into something difficult .) |
| 11:23:28 | * | gevaerts smashes Mouser_X's mirror and looks again |
| 11:23:44 | * | Mouser_X happens to have another mirror on hand. |
| 11:24:19 | Mouser_X | MartinR: Cyclops smiley? |
| 11:24:47 | * | MartinR missed the shift key :) |
| 11:29:07 | DaCapn | Makes a lot more sense than >> |
| 11:29:42 | DaCapn | I don't know anyone who has daggers for eyes. |
| 11:29:55 | Mouser_X | .) might also be considered the pirate smiley with a patch over his eye. |
| 11:31:03 | * | Mouser_X shuts up, as this is OT. |
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| 12:59:36 | Llorean | Nico_P: Hi. More playback problems. :( |
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| 13:37:04 | Nico_P | Llorean: oh? |
| 13:37:30 | Llorean | Yes. Posted a flyspray task about it, since you weren't around. Basically, skipping enough times forward in a playlist starts to have unpredictable results. |
| 13:37:36 | Llorean | I get tracks other than the one that should be next |
| 13:37:56 | Nico_P | isn't it roughly the same as the one we last discussed? |
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| 13:40:28 | Llorean | Wasn't that only with back-skipping? |
| 13:41:13 | Llorean | But yes, it seems to be an extension of it or related |
| 13:44:00 | preglow | amiconn: have you checked if retailos also does the sleep address check? |
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| 14:46:50 | meeble | ijus want to confirm, the gbc emulatoris not fullspeed yet right? |
| 14:48:09 | Mouser_X | It's full speed for me. |
| 14:48:22 | Mouser_X | What target (DAP/ MP3 player) do you use? |
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| 14:57:09 | meeble | i got a sansa e200series or something. |
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| 14:58:08 | newnick | i got disconnected, and same nickname was in use |
| 14:58:43 | newnick | so it is full speed? i got the sansa e250 i think. |
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| 14:58:55 | petur | newnick: did you register that nickname? |
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| 15:00:34 | newnick | uuh nope. |
| 15:01:28 | petur | if you do, you can easily kill ghost logins... </OT> |
| 15:02:02 | newnick | :/im just here to figure out how to get the gbc emu running about full speed like some people claim |
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| 15:03:45 | petur | I don't think there are much tricks to it. It runs the speed the DAP is capable of, and it probably also depends on the game itself (?) - not that I know anything of gbc... |
| 15:06:40 | Mouser_X | petur is correct. Different games will behave differently. On the Sansa though, the CPU is too slow to emulate the GB\C very well. |
| 15:08:36 | Mouser_X | At best you have an 80 mhz CPU to emulate the GB\C. It's very difficult to emulate hardware, as it requires the CPU you're working on (the Sansa in this case) to intake all of the GB\C info., "interpret" and "translate" it back into something that the game (ROM) can work with. |
| 15:09:13 | Mouser_X | I have a Gigabeat F40, and Rockboy runs great, excluding sound. The sound needs a lot of improvement. |
| 15:09:48 | markun | maybe someone could take a look at the ipodlinux gb emu |
| 15:10:19 | Mouser_X | I've heard that one is optimized more. |
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| 15:27:25 | newnick | is there sound in doom? |
| 15:27:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | Sound effects, yes. But no music. |
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| 15:28:55 | newnick | i know about that x_X |
| 15:28:58 | newnick | but my doom isn't playing sound? |
| 15:29:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | Did you enable sound? |
| 15:30:10 | newnick | well if there is an option for "on and off" I guess not x_X where is such? I know in options is the volume and put those on max |
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| 15:31:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | Have you read the manual? |
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| 15:31:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch10.html#x13-15100010.1.5 |
| 15:34:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | Our mantra here is "When in doubt, read the manual!" |
| 15:34:29 | newnick | I figured it out :P |
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| 15:34:46 | newnick | But if it can emulator full sound doom, why not full speed gameboy? |
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| 15:35:22 | gevaerts | Doom isn't emulated |
| 15:35:32 | Nico_P | doom and rockboy aretwo very different things |
| 15:35:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | Doom is a port of the PrBoom engine. |
| 15:35:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | And never, ever, ever get "port" and "emulation" confused. |
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| 15:38:36 | Mouser_X | Unlike emulation, DOOM doesn't need to be "translated." |
| 15:38:42 | Nico_P | I think most of those problems are bugs in the S' MTP implementation though |
| 15:38:50 | Nico_P | oops. wrong channel |
| 15:39:07 | Mouser_X | This is due to being ported. |
| 15:39:28 | Mouser_X | When something is ported, the "translation" is done at the programming language level. |
| 15:39:49 | Mouser_X | This can't be done with emulation, because the source code doesn't exist to work with the ROMs. |
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| 15:40:28 | newnick | rockboy is a port though. |
| 15:40:37 | newnick | its a port of that gnuboy or whatever >_> |
| 15:40:49 | Mouser_X | It's a port of an emulator. |
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| 15:40:59 | B4gder | its a gnuboy port yes |
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| 15:42:14 | desowin | but porting emulator still leaves you with emulator ;) |
| 15:42:29 | Mouser_X | Exactly. |
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| 16:02:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: Knock knock. |
| 16:03:33 | petur | follow the white rabbit |
| 16:04:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | petur: Hi there! :) |
| 16:04:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | I need a clean nk.bin file from the Gigabeat V updater. |
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| 16:26:21 | pixelma | JdGordon: things rotting in the tracker aren't nice either :\ |
| 16:26:56 | JdGordon | they only rot if noone brings attention to them |
| 16:27:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: I agree with you. There are so many old patches in the tracker that may not work at all anymore. |
| 16:28:06 | * | pixelma wonders how often she should advertise her patch (which is only there to work with) |
| 16:28:19 | JdGordon | and yes, thats true, but its still the best place for bugs... saying they exist in irc is really annoying (the part which really annoys me is the not explaining the bug but just saying its there_ |
| 16:28:59 | pixelma | and "the work with" part got less attention unfortunately (at least that's my impression) |
| 16:29:05 | * | LambdaCalculus37 also wonders about his patch |
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| 16:29:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Which patch? |
| 16:29:46 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: c200 keymap, the one you should know about ;) |
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| 16:33:46 | pixelma | JdGordon: IRC is often faster and I tend to complain here too if it seems something simple. I agree though that after a "ping" with no reaction people could at least say what's it about on next try. |
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| 16:34:28 | pixelma | and if there's a bit more to it, use the bug tracker |
| 16:38:34 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: what's your patch? |
| 16:40:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: My disktidy patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8595?histring=8595 |
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| 16:41:35 | JdGordon | does anyone know if the sd/mmc cards get a special ATTR flag set for the file browser? |
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| 16:47:17 | * | LambdaCalculus37 doesn't recall if that's so |
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| 16:47:57 | preglow | LambdaCalculus37: what kind of files is disktidy supposed to remove, really? |
| 16:48:08 | preglow | anything that's not media? |
| 16:48:16 | preglow | or just misc. os droppings? |
| 16:48:39 | pixelma | the latter I think |
| 16:48:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: Just misc. OS files. |
| 16:49:08 | preglow | what are .dolphinview files? |
| 16:49:23 | JdGordon | gnome's file manager iirc? |
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| 16:49:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | Files created by the Dolphin file manager for KDE. |
| 16:49:31 | pixelma | preglow: fron the manual "Disk Tidy deletes junk files left behind by Windows or OS X after a USB connection" ;) |
| 16:49:47 | preglow | JdGordon: never seen a .dolphinview file, and i use gnome |
| 16:49:49 | pixelma | from too |
| 16:50:26 | preglow | someone should refactor tidy_clean() |
| 16:50:40 | preglow | LambdaCalculus37: but no, patch looks good to me |
| 16:50:46 | preglow | if .dolphinview files are something we want to remove, that is |
| 16:51:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: I'm sure KDE users will appreciate it. :) |
| 16:51:42 | preglow | i don't know if all users would call thumbs.db a "junk file", though |
| 16:52:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: thumbs.db was already in there. That's a file created by Windows for image thumbnail viewing. |
| 16:52:35 | preglow | LambdaCalculus37: i know, i'm just trying to understand what exactly is the policy on what file removal schemes we want in disktidy |
| 16:53:33 | preglow | oh well, patch looks good to me, but i can't commit it right now, since i'm in windows |
| 16:55:05 | preglow | you should look for .Trash-username as well, i hate that directory :> |
| 16:55:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: Is that a GNOME junk file? |
| 16:55:30 | preglow | LambdaCalculus37: i think so, i've never really used kde |
| 16:55:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: Okay, I'll work on that when I get a chance. |
| 16:56:00 | preglow | i see .Trash-thomj all the time on my player |
| 16:56:18 | preglow | anyway, i think i'll be booting linux later on, i'll commit it then |
| 16:56:29 | * | JdGordon got the WM wrong... .dolphinview is kde4.. not gnome |
| 16:56:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: Excellent! :) |
| 16:56:44 | preglow | JdGordon: and it's for the file explorer app? |
| 16:56:57 | JdGordon | yes |
| 16:57:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | JdGordon: .dolphinview is KDE4, but I also made it look for .d3lphinview files from KDE3. |
| 16:57:57 | JdGordon | isnt dolphin new to kde4? |
| 16:58:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | JdGordon: It's also available for KDE3. |
| 16:58:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | That's what I'm using now; I've still got KDE 3.5.8. |
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| 17:07:37 | preglow | should be a quick enough patch |
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| 17:09:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: It will be. Just gotta make a little time to do it. |
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| 17:57:33 | * | Nico_P is trying to understand how mtp works under windows |
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| 18:03:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | Nico_P: What have you found so far? |
| 18:04:07 | Nico_P | LambdaCalculus37: not much, really. It's a maze of documentation. |
| 18:04:19 | Nico_P | also I'm really not familiar with windows programming |
| 18:04:20 | pondlife | All your DRM are belong to ms |
| 18:04:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | ! |
| 18:04:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | Sweet! My Gigabeast connects through Rockbox! |
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| 18:08:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | Nico_P: Remind me to give jhMikeS and gevaerts beers later. :) |
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| 18:08:18 | Nico_P | :) |
| 18:08:18 | * | LambdaCalculus37 give Nico_P a beer |
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| 18:08:53 | * | gevaerts will soon be drowned in beers :) |
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| 18:09:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | Very nice! I can mount the Gigabeast's drive and read and write to it in Rockbox! |
| 18:11:23 | * | LambdaCalculus37 gets out a beer for gevaerts, opens it, and hands it to him :) |
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| 18:11:39 | * | gevaerts drinks LambdaCalculus37's beer. Thanks |
| 18:12:04 | alienbiker99 | LambdaCalculus37 what kind of gigabeat? |
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| 18:12:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | S60. |
| 18:12:37 | alienbiker99 | awesome. i guess i have to go update mine |
| 18:13:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | alienbiker99: Are you testing the Gigabeat S port as well? |
| 18:13:08 | alienbiker99 | yeah |
| 18:13:30 | alienbiker99 | i havent updated it in probably a month and a half |
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| 18:14:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | Well, still no sound yet,, but USB appears to be working. |
| 18:14:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | Well, works for me, anyway. :) |
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| 18:15:43 | alienbiker99 | nice, theres been a lot of progress the past couple days. i've been watching the wiki pages |
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| 18:18:14 | alienbiker99 | now that the bootloader is unreversed, the OF boots on hold? |
| 18:18:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes. |
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| 18:18:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | So now you keep the hold switch off to boot into Rockbox. |
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| 18:25:15 | Nico_P | now I just need to set up a windows box |
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| 18:58:25 | Cydian | Hey all...quick question about SD cards on a Sansa e200 player: I understand about the size limitation imposed by the Sansa's native firmware and the need for a card reader (my laptop has one, so I'm not worried). What's the largest size SD card that Rockbox can read music off of? |
| 18:58:55 | bluebrother | Cydian: Rockbox can handle SDHC. |
| 18:59:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | Up to 32GB can be read, in theory. |
| 18:59:07 | bluebrother | the largest non-SDHC is 2GiB |
| 18:59:33 | bluebrother | while the addressing would allow more, SDHC is specced up to 32GiB |
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| 19:00:03 | * | bertrik_ though that regular SD could go up to 4 GB |
| 19:00:06 | Cydian | Alright. Thanks a lot. I tried looking through the forums, but couldn't find it. :) |
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| 19:02:22 | jhMikeS | LambdaCalculus37: what's up? (you were knocking earlier) :) |
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| 19:06:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: I wanted to know if you can send me a clean nk.bin from the Gigabeat V updater. |
| 19:08:01 | jhMikeS | sure |
| 19:10:18 | jhMikeS | I've never used that one though since it never worked. I've always used the one from the recover. |
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| 19:11:10 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: I tried the disable streaming bit today, without any other changes, with my c250 behind 3 hubs. |
| 19:11:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: Which is best to use then? |
| 19:11:33 | gevaerts | It worked, but there were tons of resets, both with and without the disable streaming bit fix |
| 19:11:34 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: any change? it changed things for H10 |
| 19:12:06 | jhMikeS | LambdaCalculus37: The 12MB one. The patching never worked on the 20MB one. |
| 19:12:40 | gevaerts | I didn't try yet with qh_ and td_array in dram |
| 19:12:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: Can you send me the 12MB one? |
| 19:12:50 | jhMikeS | sure |
| 19:13:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: PM |
| 19:13:20 | * | gevaerts now suddenly realises that he forgot to test the OF on the same setup |
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| 19:13:29 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: I actually did it both ways. I got lots of "no prime" without that bit but nothing with it. |
| 19:14:05 | gevaerts | I think we need amiconn to test it on his hub. If that works, it will work everywhere ;) |
| 19:14:05 | w1ll14m | jhMikeS: do you mind checking out my little 'try' to init i2c ? |
| 19:14:06 | w1ll14m | http://www.pastebin.ca/992150 |
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| 19:14:44 | w1ll14m | i'm sure it is way too poorly coded, but this would be the first thing in my life that i've written in c |
| 19:14:53 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: I'm pretty sure a PP needs TXFILLTUNING changed since I'm pretty doesn't have the memory bandwidth for 60MB/s. |
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| 19:20:04 | jhMikeS | ...and BURSTSIZE? |
| 19:20:14 | * | DerPapst waves o/ |
| 19:20:43 | jhMikeS | \o |
| 19:20:46 | * | LambdaCalculus37 waves back o/ |
| 19:20:55 | jhMikeS | \0_ |
| 19:21:03 | w1ll14m | lol |
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| 19:22:03 | jhMikeS | /O\ |
| 19:22:10 | faemir | anyone who feels like making me a 60gb+ mp3 player that supports rockbox and doesn't have BS battery life can feel free to oblige >_> |
| 19:22:37 | * | gevaerts would like to leave those parameters to people who have low-level knowledge... |
| 19:22:55 | * | LambdaCalculus37 grabs a bunch of parts and tools and dumps them in front of faemir |
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| 19:23:26 | faemir | now to learn electronics XD |
| 19:23:44 | gevaerts | faemir: define 'BS battery life' |
| 19:23:45 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: they're poorly documented in the imx31 manual but some other freescale SoC datasheet explain them better |
| 19:24:01 | faemir | but seriously, I can't find an mp3 that fits those specs, or even replacing rockbox with native firmware that supports ogg and flac |
| 19:24:08 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: I noticed the 'poorly documented' ;) |
| 19:24:13 | faemir | gevaerts, 6 hours max. |
| 19:24:17 | DerPapst | faemir: there is a fun discussion about something kie that on the forums... but i guess you are aware of it already :-P |
| 19:24:23 | faemir | there is? |
| 19:24:32 | gevaerts | faemir: have you tried the gigabeat F (or soon S) ? |
| 19:24:38 | faemir | nope |
| 19:24:43 | faemir | I looked at the gigabeat f |
| 19:24:48 | DerPapst | feisar: yep. in the new prots forum |
| 19:24:48 | w1ll14m | or ipod video 60/80GB |
| 19:24:49 | faemir | but the ebay ones are all f20s |
| 19:24:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | And? |
| 19:24:59 | faemir | I have an ipod 30gb. battery life. |
| 19:25:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | Get a larger hard drive and drop it into the Gigabeat. |
| 19:25:06 | * | gevaerts should have an f60 "soon" |
| 19:25:08 | faemir | Learn to read back. 60gb+ |
| 19:25:19 | DerPapst | feisar: have fun :-P http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6751.0 |
| 19:25:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | And battery life on the iPods is now reaching 11+ hours. |
| 19:25:24 | faemir | gevaerts, I will pay $350 for that |
| 19:25:30 | faemir | LambdaCalculus37, tell that to mine. |
| 19:25:35 | w1ll14m | i have ipod video 60GB (can add better battery) i don't think you'll find a player with much more battery |
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| 19:25:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | faemir: http://www.ifixit.com |
| 19:25:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | Buy your iPod a new battery. |
| 19:25:53 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: MCF5251RM.pdf and MPC8349EARM_rev1.pdf actually didn't leave the explanations out |
| 19:25:55 | * | LambdaCalculus37 did that with his |
| 19:26:04 | faemir | oh also, if I donated a classic to rockbox devs, would that help cracking whatever crap apple put on it? |
| 19:26:05 | DerPapst | the D2 :-D |
| 19:26:07 | DerPapst | 55 hours |
| 19:26:28 | w1ll14m | faemir: don't think so, unless you know how to decrypt the firmware |
| 19:26:45 | faemir | cost and size aren't appealing, and i'm looking for a non video centric player. |
| 19:27:01 | faemir | w1ll14m, time to work at apple and spy. |
| 19:27:10 | DerPapst | D2 D2 D2 |
| 19:27:15 | faemir | I mean, is it that bloody hard to get a decent large capacity player?! |
| 19:27:29 | linuxstb | faemir: Yes :( |
| 19:27:34 | w1ll14m | faemir: go ahead :) if you got a yob there... you can donate both ipod classic and decryption keys :) |
| 19:27:36 | jhMikeS | Did they ever release the R2D2? :p |
| 19:27:37 | faemir | It's silly really |
| 19:27:53 | faemir | It shouldn't be hard to get this kind of basic stuff. |
| 19:28:00 | w1ll14m | s/yob/job/ |
| 19:28:00 | faemir | damn apple and their encryption |
| 19:28:06 | w1ll14m | indeed.... |
| 19:28:31 | w1ll14m | rockbox would be my only reason for buying ipod* |
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| 19:28:37 | faemir | Is there no way to crack it or something? |
| 19:28:40 | DerPapst | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2007/04/cowon-iaudio-d2-review.php and get a 32MB sd card :-P |
| 19:28:41 | w1ll14m | i hate that itunes shit load of crap |
| 19:28:44 | DerPapst | *GB |
| 19:28:48 | faemir | w1ll14m, amarok :D :D :D |
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| 19:28:56 | faemir | will be on windows and mac soon as well. |
| 19:29:03 | faemir | so itunes isn't a problem. |
| 19:29:07 | faemir | it's just firmware. |
| 19:29:09 | w1ll14m | faemir: still i want to do it just from a command line and basic usb |
| 19:29:25 | faemir | sure, it looks nice. but gah it's crap functionaility |
| 19:29:32 | w1ll14m | linux+usb = commandline transfer to ipod |
| 19:29:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | *ahem* |
| 19:29:46 | * | LambdaCalculus37 points to the topic |
| 19:29:57 | faemir | w1ll14m, write a program that somehow converts stuff you copy onto it in harddrive mode to the database? :D |
| 19:30:15 | w1ll14m | that was the point.... i don't need extra tools |
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| 19:30:25 | faemir | ah okay. |
| 19:30:27 | w1ll14m | and why would i use the ipod interface if i have rockbox... |
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| 19:30:40 | w1ll14m | i hate ipods.... except rockboxed ones ;) |
| 19:30:41 | faemir | what is the battery life on f60s? |
| 19:31:18 | faemir | if only cowon would release an x7 that could quickly be hacked for rockbox ;_; |
| 19:31:51 | gevaerts | faemir: according to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide, 16-20h |
| 19:32:48 | faemir | damn. |
| 19:32:51 | faemir | I need one of those :P |
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| 19:33:48 | w1ll14m | jhMikeS: did you checked out the pastebin link ? |
| 19:34:09 | faemir | isn't the zune similar to the gigabeat s? |
| 19:34:34 | linuxstb | Yes, but the flaw present in the gigabeat s's encryption isn't present in the Zune |
| 19:34:48 | w1ll14m | unfortunate for us |
| 19:34:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | So that puts a damper on our day. |
| 19:35:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | Plus, I don't think anyone's taken a look at the newer Zune models. |
| 19:35:12 | amiconn | preglow: I have no idea whether the OF does this. This sleep alignment issue is something I found solely by experimentation, without any RE. It's only needed if caching is involved, i.e. running from dram *and* cache is enabled |
| 19:35:47 | faemir | well if anyone feels like selling me a gigabeat f60 anytime soon, gimme a shout :D |
| 19:36:12 | jhMikeS | w1ll14m: checking |
| 19:36:14 | w1ll14m | got my GigaBeat S last saturday i love her allready |
| 19:36:17 | amiconn | We could put the sleep into iram instead, but I think making it a function is more overhead than 2 additional instructions inlined, and why waste iram for something not performance critical? |
| 19:36:17 | w1ll14m | jhMikeS: ok |
| 19:37:10 | faemir | what are the chances of making a rockbox 100% compatible player out of the basic pieces? |
| 19:37:36 | w1ll14m | faemir, you need good documentation of the parts used in that player |
| 19:37:43 | w1ll14m | as the player needs drivers and stuff |
| 19:38:00 | faemir | ok |
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| 19:38:23 | faemir | It's just very worrying to me that all the rockbox compatible players are out of production :( |
| 19:38:40 | w1ll14m | ipod video are good to get on ebay and stuff |
| 19:39:00 | faemir | yes but they aren't in production, and have lame ass batteries. |
| 19:39:01 | w1ll14m | gigabeats are another story... especialy if you live far away from the us.... |
| 19:39:07 | faemir | unless you can shove your own in there. |
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| 19:39:22 | w1ll14m | faemir, you can replace it with a 'stronger' one |
| 19:39:27 | faemir | ..? |
| 19:39:30 | faemir | oh right |
| 19:39:50 | faemir | still, they aren't in production anymore, and hell, soon they will be 2 versions old,. |
| 19:40:05 | faemir | perhaps the new ipods will have no encryption or holes. *dreams on* |
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| 19:40:31 | w1ll14m | faemir: http://www.ipodjuice.com/5th-generation-ipod-video-battery-replacement-products.htm |
| 19:40:35 | jhMikeS | w1ll14m: I am doing the read/write functionality right now. The pll decoding is likely useful for SPI as well. |
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| 19:40:48 | w1ll14m | jhMikeS: nice |
| 19:40:58 | w1ll14m | i had to define some new stuff in imx31l.h |
| 19:41:03 | linuxstb | faemir: There may well be flaws in the encryption in the new ipods, afaik no-one has tried very hard to crack them |
| 19:41:10 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Do you have a patch? |
| 19:41:24 | * | w1ll14m wants a patch too |
| 19:41:31 | jhMikeS | amiconn: for the USB? |
| 19:41:34 | amiconn | yes |
| 19:41:57 | jhMikeS | amiconn: just change line 414 to REG_USBMODE = USBMODE_STREAM_DISABLE | USBMODE_CTRL_MODE_DEVICE; |
| 19:42:20 | w1ll14m | jhMikeS: which file ? |
| 19:42:35 | amiconn | jhMikeS: tnx |
| 19:42:59 | jhMikeS | maybe put the __aligned__((2048)) back on qh_array and put it back in RAM to test as well |
| 19:44:02 | jhMikeS | w1ll14m: firmware/target/arm/usb-drv-arc.c . The 'beast doesn't seem to have bandwidth issues at high speed though :) |
| 19:44:02 | faemir | linuxstb, why would they not? |
| 19:44:23 | w1ll14m | jhMikeS: thanx |
| 19:44:47 | linuxstb | faemir: ? |
| 19:44:57 | faemir | try very hard to crack it |
| 19:45:03 | amiconn | jhMikeS: What's puzzling me is that the H10 works behind the hub (with svn), but the mini does not |
| 19:45:08 | linuxstb | faemir: You would have to ask "them"... |
| 19:45:13 | faemir | lol |
| 19:46:16 | jhMikeS | amiconn: mine still got a number of "no prime" and "bus reset" messages with or without a hub before when trying long transfers |
| 19:47:00 | amiconn | Yeah, I also got a few errors in the windows event log, but those few didn't stop the H10 from working |
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| 19:47:38 | jhMikeS | after setting that flag, it actually transferred data a bit faster :\ |
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| 19:48:00 | amiconn | But the mini often simply wasn't detected, and if it was, explorer hung until I pulled it again |
| 19:49:28 | jhMikeS | IRAM helping at all seems to point to the sort of low level timing issue that TXFILLTUNING and BURSTSIZE are meant to address |
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| 19:51:52 | faemir | argh, why do people sell used mp3 players on ebay with "pictures" they pulled from google? :@ |
| 19:52:42 | amiconn | jhMikeS: That flag doesn't help. "USB device could not be detected" :( |
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| 19:55:42 | amiconn | The 4th try worked, but I get the usual explorer hangs and disk errors in the event log |
| 19:55:43 | jhMikeS | amiconn: replug doesn't help it? |
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| 19:55:49 | jhMikeS | heh |
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| 19:56:13 | amiconn | Source: disk, Event: 51 and/or 11 |
| 19:56:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: I've managed to successfully copy nearly 12GB worth of music from my iPod to my beast. :) |
| 19:57:09 | amiconn | 7 events within 2 minutes |
| 19:57:30 | amiconn | That's just while trying to browse the dirs |
| 19:57:36 | * | jhMikeS likes the and/or part especially |
| 19:57:39 | amiconn | Root hub works as usual |
| 19:58:23 | * | gevaerts thinks that there should be a developer who owns all portalplayer targets |
| 19:58:47 | * | LambdaCalculus37 only has three, and he's not a developer |
| 19:59:03 | * | amiconn has 4, soon 5 |
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| 19:59:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: What's the fifth? |
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| 19:59:18 | amiconn | c240 |
| 19:59:28 | amiconn | 2 of them are PP5002 though, without any usb |
| 19:59:34 | w1ll14m | damn... don't you just love a BSOD one in a while.... |
| 19:59:45 | domonoky | may be the rockbox donation fund my sponsor some PP players to important devs.. :-) |
| 19:59:47 | w1ll14m | it remembers you to more often use linux |
| 19:59:53 | domonoky | s/my/may |
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| 20:02:27 | * | jhMikeS thinks some BURTSIZE experiments may be telling |
| 20:03:17 | gevaerts | Maybe we should collect some default BURSTSIZE and TXFILLTUNING settings |
| 20:03:19 | jhMikeS | *BURSTSIZE meh |
| 20:04:03 | amiconn | I really wonder what's going on here... H10 still works (hub and root) with that bit set |
| 20:04:04 | jhMikeS | not sure if they'd even be set until after a controller reset |
| 20:04:29 | amiconn | What's so different with the mini? |
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| 20:05:20 | jhMikeS | it probably needs OF disassembly to get any extra setup info |
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| 20:06:16 | jhMikeS | amiconn: does rockbox do anything different to it? |
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| 20:07:19 | jhMikeS | firewire? |
| 20:07:38 | amiconn | I don't think so, apart from the PP5022<->PP5020 differences |
| 20:07:54 | amiconn | Firewire is just detected via GPIO and triggers a reboot |
| 20:08:18 | amiconn | (there are separate GPIOs for detection firewire power and data connection, unlike for usb) |
| 20:08:33 | amiconn | *detecting |
| 20:08:50 | * | jhMikeS wondered if there was some sort of interference in SoC modules or something |
| 20:09:41 | * | Nico_P copied ~20 GB worth of music to his beast today |
| 20:09:51 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: i'd be curious if slowing things down might help the corruption on sandisk players though |
| 20:10:42 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: it might, but I don't know if usb still works then (it didn't before yesterday's work) |
| 20:11:17 | * | jhMikeS doesn't know how he was using the e200 prior to the that commit then :\ |
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| 20:11:29 | w1ll14m | don't you just love power buttons :| |
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| 20:11:51 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: I mean "it didn't work without boosting" |
| 20:12:37 | jhMikeS | I don't see how PP could even handle HS data rates without it |
| 20:13:02 | w1ll14m | jhMikeS: what is the max speed of a PP target ? |
| 20:13:20 | w1ll14m | usb transfer speed** |
| 20:13:20 | jhMikeS | Right now 80MHz core frequency |
| 20:13:23 | jhMikeS | oh |
| 20:13:29 | preglow | amiconn: i know you found it by experimenting, but doesn't it interest you to see if apple implement any other measures for the problem? |
| 20:13:34 | jhMikeS | I think it was around 4.5MB/s |
| 20:13:38 | w1ll14m | nice :d |
| 20:13:43 | jhMikeS | but that's an average rate |
| 20:13:44 | w1ll14m | i got 8MB/s with 100.8 Mhz |
| 20:13:55 | w1ll14m | i have a lucky chip |
| 20:13:55 | amiconn | preglow: Too complex to hunt down, imo. |
| 20:14:06 | preglow | amiconn: sounds like it'd be pretty simple to find to me |
| 20:14:08 | w1ll14m | ipod video tho |
| 20:14:27 | jhMikeS | actual DMA transfers by the controller can't be faster than the RAM can handle |
| 20:14:50 | gevaerts | pity :) |
| 20:14:56 | w1ll14m | :) |
| 20:15:01 | amiconn | preglow: I didn't see something like I've implemented, but it's very possible that they went for iram. ANd since I didn't bother analysing their loading process, I don't know the segmentation |
| 20:15:58 | amiconn | The rom is just so much easier to work with that the full-blown OF |
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| 20:23:29 | amiconn | jhMikeS: There is a difference in rockbox between the mini and the targets which work... |
| 20:24:15 | amiconn | In system-pp502x.c: system_init(), there are target dependent inits - so far none for mini and mini G2 |
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| 20:27:13 | amiconn | The various settings for other targets include your mysterious CACHE_PRIORITY |
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| 20:28:32 | * | Nico_P sent a bootloader file to his beast using windows |
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| 20:30:21 | * | LambdaCalculus37 hopes He will touch it with His Noodly Appendage |
| 20:30:23 | alienbiker99 | hmmmmm i cant run the mknkboot |
| 20:30:27 | mcuelenaere | what exactly is IRAM? does it have to do with the ICache? |
| 20:30:50 | BigBambi | Nico_P: Coolio! Windows MTP give in then? |
| 20:31:14 | jhMikeS | amiconn: when was the mysterious CACHE_PRIORITY ever selected based on target? |
| 20:31:27 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: IRAM is the static RAM that's on the CPU itself |
| 20:31:52 | amiconn | I dunno |
| 20:32:10 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: but is it mentioned like this in datasheets? Because I can't seem to find any good reference to it.. |
| 20:32:34 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: datasheets usually have it as SRAM I think |
| 20:32:39 | alienbiker99 | how do i run the mknkboot. bash is telling me command not found |
| 20:32:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | Even with sudo? |
| 20:32:56 | jhMikeS | ah, Buschel added settings later |
| 20:33:01 | Nico_P | BigBambi: it was quite easy actually. I just compiled a sample application, used it to send the file with the right type and it was all good :) |
| 20:33:09 | bluebrother | alienbiker99: added the ./ in front of it? |
| 20:33:18 | alienbiker99 | hmmm ill try it |
| 20:33:28 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: thanks, that seems to be the correct term :) |
| 20:33:30 | Nico_P | now it should be quite easy to write a small program that does just the sending |
| 20:33:31 | alienbiker99 | ah thanks, thats what i forgot |
| 20:33:39 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Setting it like on the other targets doesn't help though |
| 20:33:44 | amiconn | No change |
| 20:34:15 | BigBambi | Nico_P: Well easy or no, félicitations all the same |
| 20:34:23 | bluebrother | domonoky: any reason not to release rbutil tonight? |
| 20:34:31 | Nico_P | thanks :) |
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| 20:35:05 | domonoky | bluebrother: no reason, if you have time to build new binarys (my static Qt build system isnt working again) .. |
| 20:35:27 | bluebrother | sure. I'll update the version files and build it |
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| 20:35:49 | bluebrother | btw, I added a __DATE__ __TIME__ to the version string. Do you think I should keep that? |
| 20:36:24 | * | domonoky thinks adding time and date is a good idea.. |
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| 20:37:03 | domonoky | dont forget to branch off rbutil-m1.0.5 in svn after commiting the version update.. |
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| 20:38:24 | bluebrother | sure :) |
| 20:38:50 | Buschel | regarding the system_init(): I tried undoing all the target specific stuff for USB-testing soem weeks before. no difference on my 5.5G |
| 20:39:05 | Buschel | I do have the same problem like amiconn |
| 20:39:16 | Buschel | *some |
| 20:39:40 | gevaerts | Buschel: did you test since yesterday ? |
| 20:40:19 | * | DerPapst would like to see FS #8637 and FS #8595 combined before either of them gets commited. |
| 20:40:23 | Buschel | not yet. a build costs ~30min and I had my wife becoming unpolite about my hobby ;o) |
| 20:40:39 | DerPapst | both are disktidy patches |
| 20:40:41 | gevaerts | There were a lot of fixes... |
| 20:40:58 | amiconn | 30min? What kind of box is that? |
| 20:41:09 | w1ll14m | damn :| |
| 20:41:10 | Buschel | some pentium 700MHz |
| 20:41:18 | w1ll14m | i do it in 1,5 min - 2 min |
| 20:41:19 | w1ll14m | max |
| 20:41:26 | Buschel | *sniff* |
| 20:41:33 | amiconn | Buschel: And cygwin, I presume? |
| 20:41:45 | * | amiconn already thought his build time is rather lengthy |
| 20:41:54 | Buschel | amiconn: exactly. plus antivir (if I forget to switch it off) |
| 20:41:56 | amiconn | 10..12 min for an swcodec build |
| 20:42:18 | amiconn | (with kaspersky switched off of course, otherwise it would also be 30 min) |
| 20:42:19 | w1ll14m | amiconn: which player ? |
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| 20:42:28 | amiconn | Any swcodec |
| 20:42:35 | Buschel | but I think I'll buy some notebook as the PC in the cold and dark basement |
| 20:42:37 | w1ll14m | ipod 5g is a swcodec right ? |
| 20:42:38 | amiconn | Hwcodec builds are about half the time |
| 20:42:41 | amiconn | yes |
| 20:43:00 | w1ll14m | damn :| that does takes a lot of time |
| 20:43:09 | w1ll14m | here it takes about .... 1,5 - 2 mins |
| 20:43:19 | amiconn | You're on linux, right? |
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| 20:43:24 | w1ll14m | gentoo + rockboxdev.sh @ p4 2.4 GHz |
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| 20:43:36 | w1ll14m | but it's an overloaded *home* server thingy |
| 20:43:45 | Buschel | that's why I won't change the config-file but change gevaerts' #ifdefs directly in the source :) |
| 20:43:56 | amiconn | Well, my laptop could do it in ~3 minutes if I would run linux on it, but I won't do that |
| 20:44:09 | amiconn | (Pentium M 1.5GHz) |
| 20:44:47 | Buschel | my notebook is a companies notebook, i better not install too much private stuff on it |
| 20:44:47 | w1ll14m | i have a p4 1.8 MHz ... my old laptop ;) he's almost 5 years i think |
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| 20:45:13 | w1ll14m | we should create some bootable linux distro with some memdisk for temp building rockbox |
| 20:45:26 | w1ll14m | s/bootable/iso bootable/ |
| 20:45:38 | w1ll14m | you put in the disk. |
| 20:45:40 | w1ll14m | it boots |
| 20:45:41 | w1ll14m | get svn |
| 20:45:46 | w1ll14m | compile, the copy |
| 20:45:48 | amiconn | Well, I have VMware server installed, and a linux VM available |
| 20:45:49 | Buschel | last comment on compile times: for me it's faster to submit and wait for the build table ;o) |
| 20:45:50 | w1ll14m | s/the/then/ |
| 20:46:00 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 20:46:02 | amiconn | Still I prefer to build on cygwin over using linux |
| 20:46:25 | Chronon | amiconn: what reason? |
| 20:46:35 | amiconn | Convenience |
| 20:46:50 | bluebrother | hmm, tags for rbutil are kinda mixed. |
| 20:47:00 | * | gevaerts wouldn't want to change OSes for compiling either |
| 20:47:13 | amiconn | No copying back & forth via samba or similar etc |
| 20:47:24 | domonoky | bluebrother: so just continue the mix :-) |
| 20:47:29 | w1ll14m | just connect player direct on linux |
| 20:47:30 | Buschel | gevaerts: btw, did you figure out why the battery runtime suffers when doing benches directly after USB-connection without rebooitng? |
| 20:47:33 | w1ll14m | no copying |
| 20:47:33 | * | bluebrother has a virtualized windows running for compiling :) |
| 20:47:35 | Buschel | *rebooting |
| 20:47:44 | w1ll14m | also, my linux server is my samba, and rockbox is in there ;) |
| 20:48:03 | gevaerts | Buschel: no |
| 20:48:09 | amiconn | w1ll14m:Well, do you edit the code on linux or windows? |
| 20:48:17 | w1ll14m | linux |
| 20:48:20 | Chronon | rebooting takes a while, so if everything else that you want to do is in Windows you have kind of obliterated the time advantage by having to reboot twice. .. |
| 20:48:23 | Chronon | got it |
| 20:48:23 | w1ll14m | nano + some nice nanorc files ;) |
| 20:48:29 | gevaerts | nano ? |
| 20:48:35 | * | gevaerts would prefer windows |
| 20:48:38 | w1ll14m | nano is a linux text editor |
| 20:48:42 | Buschel | w1ll14m: just saw your comment above -> you're running your video @100MHz? did you try to run the test_disk plugin? |
| 20:48:59 | w1ll14m | bushel.... i don't have testdisk, i think i need to build that plugin |
| 20:49:08 | gevaerts | w1ll14m: that's a matter of opinion ;) |
| 20:49:11 | amiconn | w1ll14m: See, I am editing on windows. That would mean copying files twice (or working directly from the samba share of course) |
| 20:49:38 | Buschel | w1ll14m: yes. because my video worked fine @100Mhz, too. except test_disk only works stable up to 90MHz −− that's what I use right now |
| 20:49:39 | w1ll14m | amiconn, yes indeed, that would make things a little more complicated |
| 20:49:48 | w1ll14m | aha.... |
| 20:49:59 | w1ll14m | i will create a fresh build tonight |
| 20:50:06 | w1ll14m | and how to enable testdisk ? |
| 20:50:20 | w1ll14m | what code do you use to scale your ipod up to 100 Mhz ? |
| 20:50:52 | Buschel | w1ll14m: wait a second |
| 20:51:15 | amiconn | Buschel: What, you're wasting battery by overclocking? |
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| 20:51:43 | w1ll14m | i use eq... that is getting to heavy for ipod to gain full buffer |
| 20:51:48 | * | amiconn tried 96MHz on his mini once just to see whether it works, but otherwise just uses plain svn 80MHz |
| 20:51:56 | w1ll14m | thus using more harddisk = even more wasting |
| 20:52:11 | amiconn | The mini G2 has a real PP5022 though, so up to 100MHz are clearly within specs |
| 20:52:27 | Buschel | w1ll14m: PLL_CONTROL = 0x8a121903; /* 100 MHz = (25/3 * 24MHz) / 2 */ |
| 20:52:47 | preglow | Buschel: do you know how apple handles accessory powering? i think an option is a bit undesirable, if it can be avoided |
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| 20:52:55 | Buschel | amiconn: it's not wasting battery. it just boosts less often |
| 20:53:32 | w1ll14m | buchel, i forgot to create a patch of my last one :( |
| 20:53:44 | w1ll14m | 100.8 Mhz was my speed.. it was stable tho |
| 20:53:48 | Buschel | amiconn: and reads faster from HDD -> maybe i _save_ battery via shorter acitve of HDD :) |
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| 20:54:44 | Buschel | *active time |
| 20:54:48 | w1ll14m | brb i have to do some house cleaning.... |
| 20:54:54 | w1ll14m | it hard to live on your own :P |
| 20:54:58 | * | Buschel wonders what he was typing... |
| 20:55:29 | * | w1ll14m wonders about that too.... |
| 20:55:32 | w1ll14m | brb |
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| 20:56:10 | * | gevaerts wants iram malloc() |
| 20:56:21 | preglow | gevaerts: why? |
| 20:56:37 | * | LambdaCalculus37 wonders if gevaerts was only joking |
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| 20:56:40 | gevaerts | Actually, for a Q&D test :) |
| 20:56:51 | jhMikeS | imalloc()? |
| 20:56:53 | * | preglow puts away flamethrower |
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| 20:59:31 | * | amiconn never had a need for malloc |
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| 21:00:02 | mcuelenaere | where is show_logo() defined? google code search doesn't give me any (useful) results |
| 21:00:30 | * | amiconn thinks that grep is much better suited for this task |
| 21:00:31 | Nico_P | in apps/misc.c |
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| 21:01:00 | mcuelenaere | Nico_P: thanks |
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| 21:01:12 | amiconn | If it's still the logo build problem - check apps/bitmaps/native/SOURCES, and make it select a suitable logo |
| 21:01:23 | amiconn | No need to fiddle with the function at all |
| 21:02:57 | mcuelenaere | amiconn: it isn't that problem anymore, I thought apps/main.c called show_logo(void) and that this one crashed the loading |
| 21:03:08 | bluebrother | Bagder: around? |
| 21:03:36 | bluebrother | can you move rbutil 1.0.5 to the download server? It's located at http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt-v1.0.5.zip and .tar.bz2 |
| 21:04:15 | amiconn | mcuelenaere: Loading of what? |
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| 21:05:04 | mcuelenaere | amiconn: Rockbox :) |
| 21:05:30 | mcuelenaere | I'm still at the bootloader stage |
| 21:05:42 | amiconn | Rockbox is already running when show_logo() is called |
| 21:05:59 | amiconn | The bootloader doesn't have show_logo() |
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| 21:06:27 | mcuelenaere | yes ok, maybe I should rephrase that: I'm trying to find out where exactly Rockbox crashes during main() |
| 21:07:52 | amiconn | apps/main.c isn't used for bootloaders |
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| 21:08:26 | mcuelenaere | yes I know, but the bootloader loads the main Rockbox firmware and here it crashes/locks up |
| 21:08:34 | mcuelenaere | at some point |
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| 21:09:16 | amiconn | Do you have working interrupts and tick timer? |
| 21:09:39 | mcuelenaere | normally I should have, as I have them working in the bootloader |
| 21:09:54 | bluebrother | domonoky: we haven't had such a long changelog list since quite a while ;-) |
| 21:10:13 | bluebrother | now the binaries need to find their way to the download server. |
| 21:11:28 | domonoky | bluebrother: and two new target supported.. so its a nice update.. |
| 21:11:35 | mcuelenaere | I think the lcd isn't working because the viewport is in IRAM, and the DM320 LCD controller can't access it as it requires it to be in SDRAM |
| 21:11:40 | mcuelenaere | although I've to verify that one |
| 21:11:53 | bluebrother | indeed |
| 21:13:04 | mcuelenaere | is the m:robe 500 known to be working in normal Rockbox? |
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| 21:15:25 | Buschel | OT: anyone knowing whether changing WLAN USB-adapter setting from 54MBit to 11MBit will keep this damn thing from heating up too much? |
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| 21:27:15 | BigBambi | amiconn: For Berlin, which would be the most sensible train station? |
| 21:27:54 | beavel | HI, i have some question regarding Unlocking a password protected harddisk. Anyone able to discuss this topic |
| 21:27:59 | beavel | '? |
| 21:28:03 | amiconn | Umm, both Hauptbahnhof and Ostbahnhof should be about equally close to the location |
| 21:28:09 | BigBambi | amiconn: Thanks |
| 21:28:10 | * | amiconn needs to check |
| 21:28:21 | BigBambi | beavel: What is on the wiki is the sum of our knowledge |
| 21:28:32 | * | amiconn rarely uses train or public transport, as he much prefers car or bicycle |
| 21:28:39 | Bagder | so, should we just decide Berlin June 28-29 ? |
| 21:28:44 | beavel | ok, ill check again |
| 21:29:04 | Bagder | I think we should |
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| 21:29:15 | BigBambi | Bagder: Looks like it to me |
| 21:29:22 | Bagder | great |
| 21:29:53 | petur | amiconn: is there possibility to park a car at your location in Berlin? |
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| 21:31:33 | amiconn | Yes, but you either have to park it in some distance (~7 minutes to walk if you walk as fast as me), or pay for parking, except Sunday |
| 21:32:04 | petur | I can handle 7 minutes walking |
| 21:32:22 | preglow | any of you guys know how to make svn diff tell me if i've got files in my tree which are not in the official repo? |
| 21:32:44 | beavel | I dont see anything about hdisks at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome |
| 21:32:45 | amiconn | Usual parking fee is 2 EUR/hour, but there's a parking area where you pay EUR 4.50 per day (much better) |
| 21:32:52 | Bagder | preglow: do 'svn st' and check the question marked files |
| 21:33:15 | preglow | Bagder: thanks! |
| 21:33:53 | amiconn | I have to ask whether this daily fee allows to leave and return |
| 21:35:26 | BigBambi | beavel: http://www.rockbox.org/lock.html is all we know |
| 21:36:19 | bluebrother | preglow: colorsvn might even be nicer ;-) |
| 21:36:21 | beavel | yeah, i got to rockbox trough that site |
| 21:36:31 | bluebrother | Bagder: noticed the links for updated rbutil binaries? |
| 21:36:49 | Bagder | no... |
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| 21:37:27 | bluebrother | check 30 minutes earlier |
| 21:37:42 | amiconn | BigBambi: Actually there are several stations between Hauptbahnhof and Ostbahnhof, but usually long-distance trains don't stop there |
| 21:37:53 | Buschel | bye, see you tomorrow |
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| 21:38:14 | BigBambi | amiconn: OK, thanks. It was mainly to get an idea - when I'm closer I'll check back :) |
| 21:38:49 | dionoea | hey. rockbox google summer of code results are on the website. |
| 21:39:56 | linuxstb | For the lazy... http://code.google.com/soc/2008/rockbox/about.html |
| 21:40:31 | petur | \o/ |
| 21:40:36 | bluebrother | nice. |
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| 21:40:47 | bluebrother | domonoky: what toolkit is your student planning to use? |
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| 21:41:03 | Bagder | bluebrother: done! |
| 21:41:05 | linuxstb | Bagder: Have there been any volunteers as backup mentors so far? |
| 21:41:09 | * | amiconn wonders whether gevaerts or jhMikeS have an idea what else to try on mini |
| 21:41:09 | bluebrother | Bagder: thanks |
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| 21:41:25 | domonoky | bluebrother: Qt. :-) |
| 21:41:31 | Bagder | linuxstb: not a single one really, possibly nico_p for theme editor |
| 21:41:34 | DerPapst | wow... FS #8637 already implements everything LambdaCalculus37 has done in his patch. |
| 21:41:47 | * | Nico_P confirms |
| 21:42:12 | bluebrother | domonoky: nice. |
| 21:42:14 | Bagder | Nico_P: you up for backup mentoring that is? |
| 21:42:17 | * | amiconn also ponders what to do next |
| 21:42:21 | Nico_P | Bagder: aye |
| 21:42:26 | Bagder | great! |
| 21:42:38 | * | gevaerts doesn't have any ideas, except maybe trying TXFILLTUNING and BURSTSIZE |
| 21:43:26 | * | jhMikeS is at that point where not having a device in hand makes it really, really hard but 2nds gevaerts |
| 21:44:20 | * | jhMikeS recommends getting the docs for other freescale SoCs (google TXFILLTUNING) to get more detailed info on the regs |
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| 21:47:18 | batelje | hi everyone! i want to install rockbox with the RButility,but when i want to do the installation,he says he cannot find a ipod. what to do? (when i do a autosearch in the configuration menu,he finds the ipod [in media/disk] ) |
| 21:48:33 | bluebrother | batelje: so you're saying that autodetection finds your Ipod just fine but installation doesn't? |
| 21:48:48 | domonoky | batelje: did you try with admin rights ? |
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| 21:49:27 | batelje | bleubrother : yeah that's right |
| 21:49:45 | bluebrother | which version are you using? You're on linux? |
| 21:49:55 | batelje | domonoky : how do i run the ipodUtility as admin then? via the terminal ? |
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| 21:50:09 | domonoky | batelje: which OS ? |
| 21:50:10 | DerPapst | only 4 slots for rockbox? |
| 21:50:13 | DerPapst | meh :-/ |
| 21:50:21 | bluebrother | DerPapst: better than 3 ;-) |
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| 21:50:24 | toffe82 | bluebrother: where is the version 1.05 of rbutil ? |
| 21:50:33 | * | DerPapst hoped for 5 at least |
| 21:50:35 | mcuelenaere | woohoow! I got Rockbox working on my ZVM! |
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| 21:50:48 | Nico_P | mcuelenaere: \o/ |
| 21:50:49 | DerPapst | mcuelenaere: W0000T |
| 21:50:53 | bluebrother | toffe82: Bagder just moved it to the download server. I guess mirrors don't have caught up yet. |
| 21:50:54 | * | domonoky remembers some unsuccessfull convicing of DerPapst... |
| 21:51:04 | toffe82 | ok |
| 21:51:09 | batelje | domonoky : Xubuntu |
| 21:51:12 | mcuelenaere | although the key mappings aren't worth nothing atm |
| 21:51:14 | bluebrother | but you can find the binaries here too: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/ |
| 21:51:28 | mcuelenaere | are worth* |
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| 21:51:44 | domonoky | batelje: so linux: try with "sudo ./rbutil" |
| 21:52:01 | bluebrother | batelje: did you try manual bootloader install or full install only? |
| 21:52:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | mecuelenaere: \o/ |
| 21:52:18 | * | LambdaCalculus37 gives mcuelenaere a beer |
| 21:52:36 | bluebrother | mcuelenaere: congrats :) |
| 21:52:47 | * | mcuelenaere thanks LambdaCalculus37 for the beer :) |
| 21:52:53 | * | bluebrother should really implement permission checking for rbutil |
| 21:53:00 | * | gevaerts hands mcuelenaere another beer |
| 21:53:07 | mcuelenaere | :p |
| 21:53:15 | bluebrother | guys, don't get him drunk too much ;-) |
| 21:53:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes, we need him to be able to commit his code. :) |
| 21:53:33 | * | mcuelenaere is now eagerly working on the keymaps, hoping he'll get to play with Rockbox soon.. |
| 21:53:39 | mcuelenaere | :p |
| 21:53:45 | batelje | domonoky : also negative (progress : no ipods found) |
| 21:53:51 | batelje | bleubrother : both |
| 21:54:13 | * | LambdaCalculus37 can now make some progress with the Dell DJ thanks to mcuelenaere's hard work |
| 21:54:23 | bluebrother | batelje: I'm quite puzzled why autodetection works −− it uses the same mechanism as bootloader installation |
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| 21:54:47 | mcuelenaere | @LambdaCalculus37: I hope so, does it run a DM320? |
| 21:54:48 | domonoky | then try ipodpatcher instead of rbutil for the bootloader install, but i suspect that this also wont find it.. |
| 21:55:16 | w1ll14m|cleaning | well..... that's a nice and clean house..... |
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| 21:55:19 | bluebrother | you could try the shiny m1.0.5 first ;-) |
| 21:55:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | The Dell DJ is a TMS320DA255. |
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| 21:55:57 | alienbiker99 | i forgot what i had to do to get sendfirm working on windows. can't find it in the logs |
| 21:55:58 | mcuelenaere | wow the Rockbox UI looks so nice on a LCD :) |
| 21:56:27 | domonoky | bluebrother: how about detection via usb-ids, this works also when ipodpatcher fails.. |
| 21:56:45 | batelje | bleubrother : but my ipod is fully erased,even the ipod firmwire (because of a filty and irritating crash..al gone suddenly) is tht maybe the problem? |
| 21:57:09 | bluebrother | domonoky: I haven't put in the usb ids for Ipods for a reason ;-) |
| 21:57:15 | batelje | domonoky : ipodpatcher is also negative in finding the ipod |
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| 21:57:24 | * | domonoky sees no usb-ids for ipods, so its right.. :-) |
| 21:57:29 | DerPapst | alienbiker99: for the beast? |
| 21:57:34 | alienbiker99 | yeah |
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| 21:57:40 | bluebrother | hmm, the nano has a usb id. |
| 21:57:45 | domonoky | batelje: you have to first restore your ipod... |
| 21:57:47 | bluebrother | batelje: what Ipod do you have? |
| 21:58:00 | DerPapst | alienbiker99: i didn't manage it to compile sendfirm for windows. |
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| 21:58:34 | alienbiker99 | i have it compiled from i think jhMikeS from last time i had to install the bootloader |
| 21:58:35 | DerPapst | alienbiker99: does the patched updater work for you? if so i added some new instructions to the GigabeatSInfo page |
| 21:58:38 | domonoky | ipodpatcher checks the disk, to make sure it writes to the right one, so no OF makes this fail.. (there also more other checks) |
| 21:58:55 | batelje | domonoky : it's all gone now thanks to a ***crash,so restoring is noit possibele i geuss? |
| 21:59:13 | batelje | bleubrother : ipod nano 1g |
| 21:59:20 | bluebrother | batelje: ah, so you basically lost the partition layout and OF? |
| 21:59:33 | alienbiker99 | DerPapst i dont want to reformat the harddrive |
| 21:59:43 | DerPapst | alienbiker99: you don't have to |
| 21:59:48 | domonoky | batelje: easiest is restore with itunes in windows.. but i think there are instructions on how to restore on linux in the wiki.. |
| 21:59:59 | DerPapst | alienbiker99: you don't have to use recovery mode. |
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| 22:00:12 | batelje | bleubrother : yep :/ only have 1 empty partition of 1.90 GB |
| 22:00:15 | bluebrother | batelje: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodManualRestore |
| 22:00:37 | batelje | domonoky : i will search... |
| 22:00:45 | bluebrother | ok, then it's not surprising that Rockbox Utility doesn't install. Interesting how the USB ID for the nano slipped in |
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| 22:00:56 | mcuelenaere | is the UI constantly refreshed in the main screen ? |
| 22:01:33 | mcuelenaere | refreshing* |
| 22:01:56 | bluebrother | do a manual restore (or use Itunes), then try again. |
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| 22:03:30 | petur | mcuelenaere: if devcon is in Berlin (which is likely), and gevaerts, markun and I carpool, would you be interested in joining? Eeklo is not far from Gent ;) |
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| 22:03:55 | mcuelenaere | petur: I'm definately interested :) |
| 22:04:28 | batelje | ok thanks to you all! i'll now what to do . have a nice day further to you all! |
| 22:04:31 | domonoky | anyone driving from something like munich to DevConBerlin ? :-) |
| 22:04:54 | bluebrother | domonoky: isn't DerPapst located somewhere in that area? |
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| 22:05:08 | * | mcuelenaere curses himself for not thoroughly reading his own code |
| 22:05:39 | amiconn | mcuelenaere: That's the "I know what I've written..." effect. I know that... |
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| 22:06:52 | mcuelenaere | I think it's just because I didn't chose a clear naming, BUTTON_DEBUG instead of LCD_DEBUG; LCD_DEBUG seems so much more obvious to output the debug messages to the lcd.. |
| 22:07:25 | bluebrother | hehe ... output messages to a button? Sounds funny. |
| 22:07:43 | mcuelenaere | :) |
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| 22:09:15 | mcuelenaere | hmm it seems I can receive one interrupt, and after that one it locks up |
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| 22:10:00 | mcuelenaere | .. or I just forgot that I placed a sleep(100) :) |
| 22:10:07 | TaylorKillian | Wahoo!!! |
| 22:10:37 | DerPapst | heh |
| 22:10:37 | TaylorKillian | Thank you rockbox for accepting me into GSoC! Look forward to working with you guys :) |
| 22:10:51 | DerPapst | TaylorKillian: congrats! :-) |
| 22:11:18 | Bagder | TaylorKillian: congratulations and welcome! |
| 22:11:27 | * | gevaerts waves at TaylorKillian |
| 22:11:39 | petur | yes welcome ;) |
| 22:11:43 | scorche|sh | TaylorKillian: welcome!...we now expect your project to be finished in...oh...around 3 hours or so? |
| 22:12:07 | TaylorKillian | dang... better get working ;) |
| 22:12:37 | w1ll14m | Welcome : |
| 22:12:38 | w1ll14m | :) |
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| 22:12:46 | DerPapst | TaylorKillian: hurry, can'T wait :-P |
| 22:12:50 | w1ll14m | :)P |
| 22:13:03 | * | domonoky welcomes TaylorKillian |
| 22:13:04 | w1ll14m | s/:)P/:)/ |
| 22:13:23 | DerPapst | someone seems to have major problems with typing smilies |
| 22:13:33 | w1ll14m | i make a lot of typo's |
| 22:13:44 | w1ll14m | especialy when i'm tired :P |
| 22:14:38 | scorche|sh | w1ll14m: i dont see those chars properly escaped! |
| 22:14:54 | w1ll14m | scorche: lol |
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| 22:15:17 | w1ll14m | s/:\)P/:\)/ like this ? |
| 22:15:40 | TaylorKillian | heh nope |
| 22:15:49 | TaylorKillian | you dont escape in the replacement |
| 22:16:41 | w1ll14m | i give up |
| 22:16:45 | DerPapst | heh |
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| 22:17:09 | w1ll14m | heh |
| 22:17:10 | w1ll14m | echo :\)P | sed -e 's/:)P/:)/' |
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| 22:17:46 | alienbiker99 | crap. whats the correct way to replace the driver with the lib-mtp driver? |
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| 22:18:29 | mcuelenaere | where do the keymaps get eh.. mapped ? not in drivers/button.c it seems |
| 22:19:06 | w1ll14m | apps/keymaps/ |
| 22:19:10 | w1ll14m | i think it was |
| 22:19:44 | mcuelenaere | yes, but I mean where in the code does it call button_read()/button_read_device() and translates it to the correct key using the keymaps? |
| 22:20:00 | w1ll14m | that's something i don't know ;) |
| 22:20:04 | mcuelenaere | :) |
| 22:20:29 | amiconn | mcuelenaere: The button driver calls button_read() from a tick task |
| 22:20:39 | amiconn | Button events are then posted to the button queue |
| 22:21:29 | amiconn | Application code uses button_get() or button_get_w_tmo(). Most of the time this is the action code, using the keymap-*.c files |
| 22:22:50 | mcuelenaere | so the values passed on to get_context_mapping() are straight out button_read_device() ? |
| 22:22:53 | alienbiker99 | ah i got it now. |
| 22:23:17 | mcuelenaere | I know they aren't really passed on to get_context_mapping(), but you get the idea |
| 22:23:17 | amiconn | no |
| 22:23:48 | amiconn | button_read_device() reads the current state. The button driver compares previos and current state |
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| 22:23:55 | w1ll14m | jhMikeS: you still here |
| 22:24:05 | amiconn | ...in order to be able to detect presses, repeats and releases |
| 22:24:41 | mcuelenaere | hmm I'm currently doing something similar in the button driver |
| 22:25:06 | mcuelenaere | I mean in button-target |
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| 22:26:28 | mcuelenaere | but I'm not sure if all pieces fit together, I mean if all code gets the right button events so is there some kind of (lcd) debugging facility? |
| 22:26:33 | jhMikeS | w1ll14m: yes |
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| 22:27:08 | amiconn | Does the ZVM have normal buttons? |
| 22:27:21 | amiconn | (as opposed to touchy stuff) |
| 22:27:25 | mcuelenaere | yes |
| 22:27:39 | mcuelenaere | but they all are treated the same in the button-target driver |
| 22:27:39 | amiconn | Then you don't need to do the delta stuff in the target driver |
| 22:27:51 | amiconn | Just read status, and let button.c do the rest |
| 22:27:54 | mcuelenaere | what do you mean by "the delta stuff"? |
| 22:28:02 | mcuelenaere | the problem is I currently can't read the status |
| 22:28:20 | mcuelenaere | the buttons are controlled by a PIC, and this fires an interrupt to the CPU when it detects a button press |
| 22:28:20 | amiconn | Hmm, so how does it work? |
| 22:28:29 | mcuelenaere | then I have to read the button code through I²C |
| 22:28:40 | w1ll14m | jhMikeS: i tried the USBMODE, it doesn't change much in the performance |
| 22:28:51 | amiconn | Hmm, so you get one code for each button pressed or released? |
| 22:29:06 | gevaerts | w1ll14m: I suspect that the usb mass storage speed is disk-bound |
| 22:29:09 | mcuelenaere | and then I set |= the button in an int |
| 22:29:10 | jhMikeS | w1ll14m: that flag won't help a 'beast (I thought I said that) |
| 22:29:18 | mcuelenaere | amiconn: yes |
| 22:29:25 | mcuelenaere | and for a long press |
| 22:29:28 | w1ll14m | jhMikes: i could have missed it |
| 22:29:34 | jhMikeS | ok |
| 22:29:44 | mcuelenaere | for example say the button PLAY has code 0x4F07 |
| 22:29:47 | amiconn | Hmm, then you indeed have to do kind of the inverse of what button.c does |
| 22:29:48 | w1ll14m | gevaerts: I think the disk should be faster than 2 MB/s |
| 22:29:57 | * | jhMikeS might have neglected to say it too :) |
| 22:30:07 | mcuelenaere | when I press this button, I get 0x4F07, when I hold it for like 1 sec I get 0x4F00 and when I release it I get 0x4F07 |
| 22:30:10 | gevaerts | w1ll14m: read or write ? |
| 22:30:31 | mcuelenaere | but my current problem is I'm not sure if the main code gets my button events |
| 22:30:36 | amiconn | mcuelenaere: Hmm? How can you distinguish a press from a release this way? |
| 22:30:36 | w1ll14m | gevaerts: my ipod which has the same harddisk gets up to 8 MB/s write MAX average of 6MB/s from USB |
| 22:30:42 | w1ll14m | write |
| 22:30:45 | * | jhMikeS notices a peculularity on one machine with the H10 where writing to the disk is faster than reading it |
| 22:30:49 | gevaerts | Could be a disk driver issue |
| 22:30:59 | w1ll14m | ipod also writes faster then it reads |
| 22:31:01 | Bagder | now please help out and edit the eurodevcon wiki to be nice and informative about Berlin |
| 22:31:01 | mcuelenaere | amiconn: when I get a button press, I set |= a value e.g. (1 << 10) |
| 22:31:12 | w1ll14m | reading is about 4,5MB 5,5 MB/s |
| 22:31:18 | mcuelenaere | when I get the same code again, I do &= ~(1 << 10) |
| 22:31:28 | jhMikeS | w1ll14m: check the ata timings |
| 22:31:34 | amiconn | mcuelenaere: And how do you know the initial state? |
| 22:31:36 | mcuelenaere | and some extra code if a long press is detected |
| 22:31:46 | w1ll14m | jhMikeS: where ? |
| 22:31:59 | mcuelenaere | I have to guess them, but mostly the user don't presses all the buttons when he turns on the device |
| 22:32:03 | jhMikeS | in firmware/target/arm/imx31/gigabeat-s/ata-imx31.c |
| 22:32:12 | mcuelenaere | and even then, the PIC only gives me one button at a time |
| 22:32:17 | mcuelenaere | except for the hold switch |
| 22:32:38 | * | jhMikeS wonders why files with *-imx31* are in the gigabeat-s directory and not the imx31 directory |
| 22:32:40 | amiconn | mcuelenaere: Hmm ok. You could use the longpress code to correct the state (that's the only thing I would probably use it for) |
| 22:32:58 | mcuelenaere | that's more or less how it currently works |
| 22:33:18 | amiconn | If you get a repeat code, the button must be pressed, so the next code will always indicate the release |
| 22:33:25 | mcuelenaere | indeed |
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| 22:33:40 | amiconn | Other than that, you can leave repeat handling to button.c |
| 22:33:41 | jhMikeS | mcuelenaere: this sounds like a variant of the way key are done on the S. press/release int, read keypad port, save button flags |
| 22:34:15 | w1ll14m | jhMikeS: CLKCTL_PDR0 i've seen this before ;) |
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| 22:34:50 | w1ll14m | jhMikeS: what is the current freq the imx31 runs at ?> |
| 22:34:57 | w1ll14m | s/?>/?/ |
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| 22:35:23 | mcuelenaere | jhMikeS: target/arm/imx31/gigabeat-s/button-imx31.c ? |
| 22:35:48 | jhMikeS | w1ll14m: the pll output is currently 528 MHz and the core clock divider is set to 2 |
| 22:35:52 | jhMikeS | mcuelenaere: yes |
| 22:36:15 | mcuelenaere | ok, but to get back to my initial question :) |
| 22:36:19 | w1ll14m | jhMikeS: ok, debug menu shows 16MHz i guess that should be wrong then ? |
| 22:36:28 | mcuelenaere | is there a way of debugging the current button pressed? |
| 22:36:40 | mcuelenaere | (replace debugging by printf) |
| 22:36:48 | * | amiconn would probably use splashes |
| 22:36:59 | mcuelenaere | ah, and where would amiconn place those? :) |
| 22:37:09 | mcuelenaere | because I'm not really familiay with apps/* |
| 22:37:10 | jhMikeS | w1ll14m: it's totally wrong |
| 22:37:16 | w1ll14m | jhMikeS: i guess that is defined somwhere same as ipod |
| 22:37:20 | mcuelenaere | familiar* |
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| 22:37:40 | jhMikeS | w1ll14m: that number is from coldfire ports actually. |
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| 22:37:51 | w1ll14m | jhMikeS: hmmm that needs some digging |
| 22:38:30 | jhMikeS | Just change the number to 2640000000 in the config file and it should show the right value (the right one for now anyway). |
| 22:38:38 | alienbiker99 | does anybody else get FPA instruction errors when compiling for the S |
| 22:38:48 | jhMikeS | give or take a '0' :) |
| 22:39:02 | DerPapst | alienbiker99: yesterday i didn't |
| 22:39:09 | jhMikeS | alienbiker99: needed to rebuild gcc to fix that |
| 22:39:12 | DerPapst | and it didn't change much since then |
| 22:39:19 | DerPapst | just a "new" bootloader |
| 22:39:23 | n1s | alienbiker99: do you have the multilibs patch for your arm-elf-gcc ? |
| 22:39:25 | mcuelenaere | is gui_syncsplash() equal to rb->splash() in the plugins? |
| 22:39:49 | alienbiker99 | hmm i don't know i haven't used anything in a while, maybe i just need to update |
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| 22:39:54 | Bagder | I'll get that nice company sponsor some shirts this year again for devcon! ;-) |
| 22:40:01 | n1s | alienbiker99: rerun rockboxdev.sh :) |
| 22:40:03 | w1ll14m | jhMikeS: that in deed is something i've played with a lot in pp502x |
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| 22:40:22 | w1ll14m | **** typo's |
| 22:40:30 | w1ll14m | maybe i should get some more sleep... |
| 22:40:40 | alienbiker99 | will do |
| 22:40:45 | DerPapst | s/typo's/typos |
| 22:40:47 | DerPapst | :-P |
| 22:42:30 | bluebrother | Bagder: cool :) |
| 22:43:17 | w1ll14m | DerPapst... the 's is we use here... i'm kinda used to it ;) |
| 22:46:37 | alienbiker99 | this script takes so long haha. |
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| 23:08:38 | w1ll14m | damn it really is a beast! |
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| 23:12:12 | alienbiker99 | the gigabeat s? |
| 23:12:41 | w1ll14m | yeah |
| 23:12:54 | w1ll14m | i was comparing some plugins against my overclocked ipod |
| 23:13:07 | w1ll14m | beast owned him hard |
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| 23:15:01 | Leperkawn | I'm getting a gigabeat S soon |
| 23:15:09 | w1ll14m | nice |
| 23:15:18 | Leperkawn | how's dev going on it? |
| 23:15:21 | w1ll14m | their hard to get :( |
| 23:15:28 | Leperkawn | I know, one's on amazon for 225 new, s30 |
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| 23:15:37 | alienbiker99 | i can't wait for it to be fully functional. |
| 23:15:43 | Leperkawn | That seems reasonable to me, I'll upgrade the drive to another zip-40 100gb later |
| 23:15:44 | BigBambi | It was always going to win - a beast at 532 MHz + FPU + etc vs an iPod at (albeit dual) 80 MHz |
| 23:15:50 | w1ll14m | amazon doesn't ship outside the us |
| 23:15:55 | Leperkawn | I'm in the US |
| 23:16:00 | Leperkawn | =) |
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| 23:16:03 | BigBambi | w1ll14m: That depens which amazon :) |
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| 23:16:11 | w1ll14m | true |
| 23:16:23 | Leperkawn | Unfortunately I don't know C or related languages, so I'm near useless for dev |
| 23:16:33 | w1ll14m | only in the us they seem to have the gigabeat s |
| 23:16:35 | BigBambi | amazon.co.uk. .de, .fr etc all ship outside the US |
| 23:16:38 | BigBambi | :) |
| 23:16:44 | alienbiker99 | the beast is so powerful its crazy. |
| 23:16:47 | w1ll14m | Leperkwan: me too |
| 23:16:52 | Leperkawn | Is 225 a reasonable price for it? |
| 23:17:00 | BigBambi | 225 USD I assume? |
| 23:17:02 | Leperkawn | yes |
| 23:17:05 | alienbiker99 | you might be able to find a better deal. |
| 23:17:07 | w1ll14m | alienbiker99: that is how it should be right ;) gives us a lot of oppertunities |
| 23:17:12 | BigBambi | Seems a bit pricey to me |
| 23:17:16 | Leperkawn | alinebiker99: For a new s30? |
| 23:17:21 | BigBambi | Especially for S30 |
| 23:17:22 | w1ll14m | i got a second hand for 99 dollars from electrnic express |
| 23:17:22 | alienbiker99 | i know i bought my s60 for $200 a year ago |
| 23:17:28 | Leperkawn | ouch |
| 23:17:34 | w1ll14m | s30 |
| 23:17:49 | DerPapst | argh! |
| 23:17:52 | BigBambi | my S60 was ~ 100 GBP a few months ago |
| 23:17:57 | DerPapst | disktidy changed :-/ |
| 23:17:58 | w1ll14m | :| |
| 23:18:00 | Leperkawn | guess it's time to hit up eBay |
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| 23:18:14 | jhMikeS | ARMv6 instructions also makes it more efficient so more can be had with that than just out of clock speed alone. branch prediction is turned off and it should be turned on now I think (now that cache handling should be right) |
| 23:18:23 | toffe82 | I didn't pay more than 120$ for a S , s30 or s60 :) |
| 23:18:37 | BigBambi | toffe82: You are an exception :) |
| 23:18:41 | w1ll14m | i like the current exchange rates :) |
| 23:18:42 | toffe82 | :) |
| 23:18:48 | BigBambi | toffe82: btw, did you get my paypal? |
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| 23:19:13 | toffe82 | yes, thank you, did you receive them ? |
| 23:19:22 | BigBambi | Not yet |
| 23:19:34 | BigBambi | But it took a but of time last time |
| 23:19:39 | BigBambi | s/but/bit |
| 23:19:42 | w1ll14m | i'm from holland, and i need a replacement harddisk for my ipod soon. a new one would have cost me 135 euro's |
| 23:19:47 | w1ll14m | which is 214 dollars |
| 23:19:50 | alienbiker99 | toffe82 do you have extra s60 backplates? |
| 23:20:00 | toffe82 | no |
| 23:20:07 | toffe82 | only s30 |
| 23:20:12 | alienbiker99 | ok |
| 23:20:21 | w1ll14m | so i bought this gigabeat for 2 reasons.... if rockbox is good enough i keep beast, else switch harddisks ;) |
| 23:20:38 | w1ll14m | so 99 us$ is nice for a beast + good hdd |
| 23:21:11 | bluebrother | wow. Impressive if you compare current rbutil with the old wx version |
| 23:21:11 | Leperkawn | 100gb zip-40 runs around 180 USD right now |
| 23:21:18 | w1ll14m | and all i had to do for it... was fixing a computer :) |
| 23:21:23 | DerPapst | preglow: ping |
| 23:21:23 | Leperkawn | 1.8" of course |
| 23:21:36 | BigBambi | 120 Zif40 can be had for 180 USD |
| 23:21:43 | w1ll14m | Leperkawn :| |
| 23:21:57 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:22:04 | w1ll14m | has anyone tried upgrading his beast disk space yet ? |
| 23:22:12 | w1ll14m | should'nt be a problem right ? |
| 23:22:13 | BigBambi | No, but I will do soon |
| 23:22:16 | Leperkawn | bigbambi: what brand? |
| 23:22:17 | w1ll14m | nice |
| 23:22:22 | BigBambi | Leperkawn: toshiba |
| 23:22:26 | preglow | DerPapst: uo |
| 23:22:29 | preglow | yo <- |
| 23:22:47 | alienbiker99 | ahhh i want this script to be done already |
| 23:22:54 | BigBambi | jhMikeS: Is branch prediction just a case of enabling it, or is more work required? |
| 23:23:20 | DerPapst | preglow: i was working on a alternative for the disktidy plugin before you comitted it ;-) http://localhost/upload/disktidy3.patch |
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| 23:23:39 | preglow | DerPapst: i don't think localhost urls will fly very far here ;) |
| 23:23:49 | DerPapst | it'S basically FS #8637 |
| 23:23:51 | DerPapst | of |
| 23:23:54 | DerPapst | heh wait a sec |
| 23:23:59 | gevaerts | preglow: why ? I can ping it |
| 23:24:02 | jhMikeS | BigBambi: it's turned off by a bit setting in the SCC setup (It was done as a control measure) |
| 23:24:15 | BigBambi | ok, cool :) |
| 23:24:28 | DerPapst | preglow: http://papsti.dyndns.org:83/upload/disktidy3.patch |
| 23:24:32 | preglow | gevaerts: localhost is an alias for 127.0.0.1 on most machines, which is yourself :) |
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| 23:24:51 | preglow | gevaerts: unless you were being sarcastic, in which case i'll just shut up :> |
| 23:25:01 | DerPapst | </sarcasm> |
| 23:25:07 | * | gevaerts prefers 127.0.0.2 ;) |
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| 23:25:42 | preglow | well, i can see how a config file would be useful here |
| 23:26:09 | DerPapst | preglow: and the cool thing is you can add up to 10 different OSes and their crap |
| 23:26:19 | DerPapst | without chaning the source |
| 23:27:00 | preglow | DerPapst: well, update the tracker entry and i'll try it out when i'm back in linux |
| 23:27:06 | DerPapst | i even tried to add the files you complained about earlier today :-P |
| 23:27:13 | DerPapst | mkay. |
| 23:27:49 | bluebrother | gevaerts: how about ::1? |
| 23:27:50 | preglow | DerPapst: i don't know how much i like all entries implicitely ending in a wildcard, though |
| 23:28:28 | gevaerts | bluebrother: disabled here because of historical reasons (buggy software). I didn't bother reeabling it again |
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| 23:31:22 | DerPapst | preglow: me neither.... i've just synced it and added the 3 linux files. I can look into it and maybe add * as wildcard. |
| 23:32:47 | Leperkawn | What is the status on the gigabeat s's battery? Is it the same type as the fxx? |
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| 23:33:00 | Leperkawn | er, this isn't -community. My bad |
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