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| 00:52:19 | alienbiker99 | im still getting the FPA instruction errors when building for the S. do i need that multi lib patch? |
| 00:52:40 | DerPapst | yes |
| 00:52:47 | alienbiker99 | how do i get that |
| 00:52:50 | DerPapst | but rockbox.dev should have installed it |
| 00:53:03 | DerPapst | *rockboxdev.sh |
| 00:53:08 | alienbiker99 | i only installed the arm stuff |
| 00:53:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | Can someone take a look at FS #8924 for me? It's an extra bit of info for the manual regarding my recently commited disktidy patch. |
| 00:54:18 | alienbiker99 | oh wait i forgot to reconfigure, maybe thats it |
| 00:54:20 | * | LambdaCalculus37 will be working on some more functionality for disktidy later |
| 00:55:30 | DerPapst | LambdaCalculus37: i still think FS #8637 does that better. |
| 00:55:44 | * | LambdaCalculus37 thanks preglow for the commit :) |
| 00:55:52 | alienbiker99 | hmmmm that didnt work |
| 00:55:56 | DerPapst | It does the same like the one in SVN and is configureable |
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| 00:56:02 | DerPapst | meh |
| 00:56:49 | gevaerts | alienbiker99: is your PATH correct ? |
| 00:57:13 | alienbiker99 | erggg i don't know, how do i edit it? |
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| 00:57:49 | gevaerts | cygwin ? |
| 00:58:14 | alienbiker99 | yes |
| 00:58:30 | * | gevaerts looks around for people who are familiar with that |
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| 00:58:53 | DerPapst | export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:$PATH |
| 00:58:54 | gevaerts | you can run "echo $PATH" to see what it's currently set to |
| 00:59:12 | alienbiker99 | ok thanks |
| 00:59:22 | DerPapst | did you remove the old one before? |
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| 00:59:33 | DerPapst | not sure if it's needed though |
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| 01:00:25 | alienbiker99 | i have 2 of the arm-elf/bin in my path |
| 01:00:32 | alienbiker99 | set to the same palce |
| 01:00:56 | alienbiker99 | palce/place |
| 01:01:02 | soap | gevaerts, where can I learn more about the "Charging from USB is not fully implemented on most players" |
| 01:01:08 | DerPapst | so did the new one overwrite the old one? |
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| 01:01:49 | soap | I'm mostly curious why charging (seems to) work on my 5th gen w/o the full stack enabled, curious how it is different with the full stack enabled. |
| 01:02:01 | gevaerts | soap: if I knew, the link would be there ;). I know next to nothing about charging control |
| 01:02:09 | alienbiker99 | DerPapst what do you mean? |
| 01:02:20 | gevaerts | Does it work reasonably fast on the 5th gen ? |
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| 01:02:56 | soap | eh - it (seems to) work. Speed? I can't speak to as I don't have it plugged in while in Rockbox when charging time is an issue. |
| 01:03:17 | soap | do you expect the charging behavior to be different than w/o enabling the full stack? |
| 01:03:33 | soap | that's question #1. Question |
| 01:03:33 | DerPapst | alienbiker99: iirc rockboxdev.sh runs "make install" in where it build the arm toolchainand i don't know if that overwrites the old one or not. |
| 01:03:38 | gevaerts | The only difference is that when you are using mass storage, the cpu is boosted |
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| 01:04:08 | OtherLlor | soap: My Nano seems to have charged just fine with the two defines (having usb, and using high speed) |
| 01:04:21 | gevaerts | So if you have an old bad battery, it could charge slowly without mass storage, and discharge slowly with |
| 01:04:47 | soap | Is there a reason to believe we (as Rockboxers) are bypassing some magic charging circuit and possibly causing harm to the battery? |
| 01:05:01 | gevaerts | I don't know |
| 01:05:26 | OtherLlor | soap: I would assume it's more like the e200, where we're going through the circuit, but we're not telling it to make full use of the current we're making available to it. |
| 01:05:56 | soap | I was going to say, I don't do it often, but I've done it enough times I would have expected to see a dead battery if I was going to ever see one. |
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| 01:06:41 | gevaerts | This is actually why I dislike charging over usb ;) People start asking me questions about charging just because I know about usb |
| 01:07:10 | soap | Sounds like it is time for me to start building with the stack on. |
| 01:07:23 | pixelma | that reminds me that the Rockbox info screen tells a wrong voltage when in USB charging mode on the c200s (as far as I know the same on the e200s), guess it only gets a wrong number somewhere, still makes me distrust it |
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| 01:08:09 | pixelma | in SVN though, haven't tried with the USB stack enabled |
| 01:08:57 | gevaerts | That specific "feature" won't change by enabling USB |
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| 01:19:30 | * | preglow wonders how hard it'll be to port usb to d2 |
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| 01:28:37 | petur | hmmm how many BUTTON_SCROLL_UP messages must one send to get a list scrolling one item? |
| 01:28:59 | saratoga | soap: charging over USB doesn't actually involve the USB on most targets |
| 01:29:21 | saratoga | theres generally just a voltage regulator hooked up to the USB +/- lines |
| 01:29:46 | saratoga | that will happily draw as much power as you tell it to, regardless of the status of the USB stack |
| 01:30:12 | saratoga | technically you're not supposed to draw more then 100ma without telling the USB host that you're taking that power |
| 01:30:19 | saratoga | (err current) |
| 01:30:35 | saratoga | in practice, I don't think it actually matters |
| 01:31:09 | * | gevaerts is a spec pedant and does think it matters ;) |
| 01:31:18 | saratoga | at least on the e200, the OF will draw power before its even enabled the USB hardware, and that seems to work on pretty much any hardware, although technically its not allowed by the spec |
| 01:31:53 | saratoga | so for now i don't believe we enable charging on any of the software USB devices because we do not have the USB in place |
| 01:32:06 | saratoga | although it works fine . . . |
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| 01:34:26 | soap | that makes sense, thank you as well, saratoga. |
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| 01:37:24 | saratoga | i favor enabled charging on the Sansa's since the OF ignores the USB spec anyway, i figure we're not losing anything |
| 01:37:36 | saratoga | but it sounds like we'll have USB shortly, so i guess it doesn't matter |
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| 01:38:54 | amiconn | I don't think that we don't enable (full power) charging because we don't have usb in place, but rather we don't know what to enable yet |
| 01:39:16 | amiconn | Another problem is the power management code structure |
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| 01:40:19 | amiconn | Afaik the only targets which charge properly (but not always with proper indication) are those with pure hw controlled charging, plus the the archos recorder |
| 01:41:09 | amiconn | X5 and M5 and all PP502x targets I know of only charge slowly in rockbox. M3 doesn't charge at all in rockbox atm |
| 01:42:39 | soap | This is a bit off the Rockbox trail, but is there any reason to believe lithium batteries suffer from a slow charge? (I'm not aware of any) |
| 01:43:08 | soap | I guess the real question is - Are LiIon batteries charged fast because "they can" or because "they should"? |
| 01:45:01 | Llorean | soap: I think it depends on the conditions. Could a slow charge, in theory, leave the battery hot for a longer time? |
| 01:45:41 | amiconn | I would think that slower charging actually extends battery life |
| 01:45:58 | amiconn | SLower charging == lower temperature |
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| 01:49:02 | amiconn | But slow charging is annoying... |
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| 01:57:24 | * | Llorean would like to see some numbers on temperatures reached, time spent at those temperatures, and approximate damage per minute in some form at given temperatures. :-P |
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| 02:12:50 | ZincAlloy | soap: my new theme should meet the requirements for your seal of approval |
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| 02:23:09 | * | XavierGr just booted Rockbox on his Gigabeast. Bows to jhMikeS and gevaerts with respect :) |
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| 02:23:35 | XavierGr | Also USB transfers worked like a charm on my hub, though I guess that this problem persists with ipods? |
| 02:25:42 | XavierGr | Also I was quite impressed the an H300 build took me 1 minute and 35 seconds to make, in Cygwin! :D Quad core must be really worth for Rockbox coding. |
| 02:25:55 | XavierGr | I wonder though why on vmware it was much slower |
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| 02:32:02 | amiconn | XavierGr: A single VMware vm won't use all cores of course. |
| 02:32:32 | XavierGr | amiconn: ah too bad, then I will have to stick entirely to cygwin from now on. |
| 02:32:56 | amiconn | If you use vmware server, you can assign 1 or 2 virtual CPUs |
| 02:33:16 | XavierGr | amiconn: so VMware won't use all cores even if I start a new image from scratch? |
| 02:33:22 | XavierGr | hmm I might look on it then |
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| 02:35:36 | amiconn | The way how virtualization works, one virtual core can never use more than one physical core for real mode code (== application code). And vmware only supports virtual smp with up to 2 cores (and you need to configure that explicitily, and the guest os needs to support smp) |
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| 02:37:07 | XavierGr | amiconn: so in the end I cannot use all of the cores whatever I do or what I use (by virtualization of course)? |
| 02:37:40 | amiconn | You can, but only if you run several VMs at once |
| 02:37:58 | XavierGr | amiconn: well that won't help in our case |
| 02:38:23 | amiconn | It would if you want to build for more than one target ;) |
| 02:39:04 | XavierGr | amiconn: ah yes completely missed that scenario :) |
| 02:39:14 | XavierGr | you would want to vmware images though |
| 02:39:22 | XavierGr | twice the pain to keep the updated and in sync |
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| 02:44:22 | XavierGr | amiconn: yep you are quite on spot on that, building on vmware never utilizes more than 50% of my cpu usage |
| 02:44:33 | XavierGr | (with 2 virtual cpus) |
| 02:44:57 | * | DerPapst jealous |
| 02:45:43 | Llorean | DistCC? :-P |
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| 02:47:19 | XavierGr | hmm now I think that vmware + ccache + 2 virtual cpus is still faster than cygwin :\ let me test again |
| 02:49:51 | XavierGr | wow 28 seconds for full h300 build with ccache on vmware |
| 02:50:00 | XavierGr | how can I delete the ccache again? |
| 02:50:18 | JdGordon|uni | 28s! |
| 02:50:32 | XavierGr | yeah it seems low but that's what I get |
| 02:50:38 | * | DerPapst even more jealous |
| 02:50:52 | DerPapst | not like 10 minutes! |
| 02:51:18 | XavierGr | I upgraded last week on a Pentium Quad Core Q9300 and it really makes a difference for rockbox usage |
| 02:51:44 | XavierGr | I will try with cleared ccache |
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| 02:55:34 | XavierGr | bah ccache -C corrupted the vmware filesystem |
| 02:56:27 | * | JdGordon|uni 's comp is refusing to find m68k-gcc :( |
| 02:56:40 | * | DerPapst puts quad core on whishlist |
| 02:56:48 | DerPapst | *wishlist even |
| 02:57:36 | JdGordon|uni | .bashrc wasnt run after logging in from ssh? |
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| 02:59:02 | JdGordon|uni | 28s with ccache... 90s without for h300 on my box.. seems i need to upgrade my quaddie :D |
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| 02:59:11 | XavierGr | gah! I don't believe it my vmware image just died on my hands! :( |
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| 03:00:33 | DerPapst | wow... |
| 03:00:48 | XavierGr | JdGordon|uni: well I didn't manage to test without ccache I will tell you my results if I manage to restore it |
| 03:04:05 | alienbiker99 | man ive been having problems all day. what do i do when tar: this does not look like a tar archive |
| 03:04:05 | XavierGr | JdGordon|uni: also keep in mind that, these results were on a vmwre image with half the power of my cpu (since it used only 2 cores) and of course I hope I didn't do anything silly that shortened the building time. :) |
| 03:04:45 | JdGordon|uni | whats the q9300 clocked at? |
| 03:05:30 | XavierGr | stock is 2.5 Ghz and I overclocked it at 3Ghz |
| 03:05:58 | XavierGr | but it's rather cool even at 3Ghz only 45-50celsius |
| 03:06:39 | XavierGr | 1 minute and 15 seconds without ccache |
| 03:06:51 | XavierGr | damn it it is still faster than cygwin :\ |
| 03:07:57 | * | DerPapst thinks this is something to be happy about |
| 03:08:05 | XavierGr | yeah I didn't do anything stupid, now with ccache on the same built I got 32 seconds |
| 03:08:34 | XavierGr | DerPapst: well I wanted to give a rest to vmware and start using cygwin again because it is more comfortable for windows |
| 03:08:48 | DerPapst | ah. |
| 03:09:00 | Llorean | XavierGr: Is "1 minute 35 seconds" too long for you to wait? |
| 03:09:03 | DerPapst | i wanted to give colinux a go−− |
| 03:09:04 | Llorean | You seemed happy about it before... |
| 03:09:18 | XavierGr | I guess the real solution is to convert to Linux, but I am too used to windows to do that... |
| 03:09:33 | XavierGr | Llorean: you are right I should be very happy with that |
| 03:09:44 | JdGordon|uni | DerPapst: apparently andLinux is the updated colinux or something |
| 03:11:33 | XavierGr | Llorean: in fact, I am happy, but you know, human vanity is bad.... |
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| 03:13:29 | soap | what is the svn command to get a list of all files I have modified? |
| 03:13:56 | DerPapst | preglow: got wildcard implemented but somehow this version of disktidy doesn't remove dirs ;-) |
| 03:14:04 | DerPapst | svn diff |
| 03:14:24 | DerPapst | svn diff > bla.huge.diff preferably |
| 03:14:56 | Llorean | svn st |
| 03:15:00 | Llorean | Just for the list of files |
| 03:15:12 | DerPapst | ah... |
| 03:15:13 | soap | that's it. |
| 03:15:15 | * | DerPapst misread |
| 03:15:22 | soap | ahh "status" |
| 03:15:25 | Llorean | Indeed |
| 03:16:06 | * | Llorean always wonders why "status" doesn't include what revision you're at. |
| 03:19:09 | DerPapst | sounds like a feature request *cough* :-P |
| 03:20:08 | soap | do you use the USB stack, Llorean? I guess a better question is "do you use a PP device daily?" |
| 03:20:13 | Llorean | Y'know, I've considered that, and decided it seems like such an obvious concept that either there's already one, or I'll search, not find one, make it, THEN be told there's already one that I daftly missed. |
| 03:20:24 | Llorean | soap: Yes, no. |
| 03:20:33 | Llorean | I've made a little use of it on my Nano, but I don't use it daily. |
| 03:20:34 | JdGordon|uni | grrr... stupid e200 didnt charge last night while it was plugged in :( |
| 03:20:52 | Llorean | JdGordon|uni: Sounds like a good reason for you to look over and play with the charging patch. |
| 03:21:24 | * | JdGordon|uni was under the impression charging did work, even if it was slowly :p |
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| 03:21:53 | Llorean | JdGordon|uni: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8363?histring=e200 |
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| 03:22:12 | Llorean | The charge control circuit's default current is apparently set way too low. |
| 03:22:42 | XavierGr | Llorean: which target do you use mostly, just curious |
| 03:23:38 | Llorean | XavierGr: Gigabeat F at the moment. It really depends on what I'm spending more time doing in my spare time though. Walking/jogging/exercising means I use my Nano a lot more. I was using my c200 but its headphone jack came loose again and I've yet to fix it. |
| 03:23:53 | * | Llorean does like the radio for when he wants to hear something new. |
| 03:25:13 | Llorean | I wasn't using the USB stack with the Sansa though, because last I heard the disk corruption issue on them had not yet been resolved. |
| 03:25:47 | XavierGr | the only thing that I resent on the F is its boot time, other than that it is a great target if you are not in recording or radio |
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| 03:26:54 | Llorean | Agreed the boot time is slightly annoying, but it's not like I shutdown and reboot constantly. |
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| 03:29:27 | kkurbjun | XavierGr: soon the boot time won't be much :P |
| 03:29:34 | kkurbjun | <hopefully> |
| 03:29:51 | * | JdGordon|uni whispers mr500 to kkurbjun :p |
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| 03:29:59 | kkurbjun | It's fast for me and I can boot with main build in flash |
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| 03:30:05 | kkurbjun | :), I need to work on that too |
| 03:30:15 | kkurbjun | I want to get flash booting working for the mr500 next |
| 03:30:28 | kkurbjun | hopefully it will be faster after this learning experience |
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| 03:36:30 | saratoga | amiconn: we can enable charging on the sansas |
| 03:36:52 | saratoga | we have the datasheet, and we have a register dump from the OF, so we know exactly how it works |
| 03:37:07 | * | Llorean thinks this should be done, then. :-P |
| 03:37:41 | saratoga | soap: regarding lipoly life, they last much longer if you slow charge them, and also if you don't fully charge them |
| 03:38:02 | saratoga | its something like 100 cycles at current x, 500 cycles at current y, etc |
| 03:38:41 | Llorean | So should we have an option in Rockbox as to whether it charges quickly or slowly on targets where this is possible? |
| 03:38:58 | saratoga | Llorean: we could, but i was just going to set it low by default |
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| 03:39:06 | saratoga | it actually doesn't make a huge difference in charge time |
| 03:39:13 | Llorean | saratoga: Sometimes you need your player charged as much as possible 15 minutes from now, though. |
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| 03:39:44 | Llorean | Though I suppose it really does just kinda depend on how big a difference it makes. |
| 03:39:54 | soap | I swear they don't make them like they used to. I have a LiIon battery in my P-133 laptop which still holds a decent charge. 13 years old. |
| 03:39:57 | saratoga | if you don't need a full charge, it doesn't make a huge difference, lipoly batteries charge sort of logirthmically, so its always very fast for the first 60% (or so) and very slow for the remainder |
| 03:40:12 | Llorean | Gotcha |
| 03:40:21 | saratoga | soap: thats probably not a lipoly battery, i don't think they made them back then |
| 03:40:36 | saratoga | probably a metal hydride or whatever they were called |
| 03:40:37 | soap | ion, not poly (FWIW) |
| 03:40:40 | soap | no, lithium |
| 03:41:45 | saratoga | anyway, the OF charges way faster then I would feel comfortable with otherwise, so i think rebooting into it is a good option if you must charge as much as possible in 30 minutes or whatever |
| 03:43:02 | soap | (just ran down and checked) |
| 03:45:01 | Llorean | saratoga: Maybe to drive up those replaceable battery sales. ;) |
| 03:45:03 | XavierGr | kkurbjun: cheers, I am looking forward to see that in the future! :) |
| 03:45:13 | Llorean | But, as long as we charge slower than the OF, people are going to file bug reports on it from time to time. |
| 03:45:23 | Llorean | So an option to charge as fast as the OF (disabled by default) might be a good idea. |
| 03:49:14 | * | JdGordon|uni agrees |
| 03:50:17 | Llorean | Maybe name the two options "Optimal" and "Abusive" (or in seriousness, "Quick Charge") so people recognize that the slower one is meant to be "better" in some way |
| 03:50:59 | JdGordon|uni | standard and abusive... |
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| 03:54:56 | soap | shouldn't the way most (all?) original firmwares do it (fast) be called "standard" and the proposed slow way be called "gentle"? |
| 03:56:07 | soap | in that the "point of reference" for most people is going to be the original firmware - ie the word "standard" will be judged against such a point of reference. |
| 03:56:18 | * | Llorean intentionally avoided "standard" for that reason. |
| 03:56:47 | Llorean | I'm also not sure "Quick Charge" should mirror the OF in every case, sometimes for all we know they could be closer to our choice for Gentle. |
| 03:57:18 | Llorean | I'd rather we just pick a Fast and Slow value of our own, but never make the Faster one slower than the OF (or the slow one faster than the OF if there's an incredibly slow OF out there) |
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| 04:07:32 | saratoga | has there been any indication that the USB stack might be good to go soon for the PP targets? |
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| 04:07:48 | saratoga | it sounds like a lot of progress is being made, but i'm not clear on how much work remains |
| 04:08:17 | OtherLlor | I think the final test is amiconn's hub |
| 04:08:26 | OtherLlor | I haven't heard whether the latest discoveries work there or not |
| 04:09:34 | Gartral | i havent had any luck... but anyway... why are downloads for m1.0.5 of RBUtil down? |
| 04:09:38 | * | Llorean does not understand the install instructions for the d2 port. |
| 04:09:42 | saratoga | wasn't his hub issue specific to the Mini 2G though? |
| 04:10:09 | Llorean | Gartral: I can download it... |
| 04:10:17 | Llorean | saratoga: Dunno. |
| 04:10:55 | Gartral | only the mac one seems too work... and i dont have a mac comp |
| 04:11:02 | Llorean | I just downloaded the windows one. |
| 04:11:22 | * | Llorean downloads the linux one too. |
| 04:11:28 | Gartral | i click the windows link and it gives me a 404 |
| 04:11:44 | Llorean | It may mean that you're getting redirected to a download server it hasn't propagated to. |
| 04:12:20 | Gartral | http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/win32/rbutilqt-v1.0.5.zip <- this is the link i get from clicking the download |
| 04:12:42 | Llorean | yes, and that link downloads a file for me. |
| 04:13:04 | Gartral | but it says 404 for me |
| 04:13:25 | Llorean | And I told you why. it may be trying to download from a server that doesn't yet have the file |
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| 04:16:32 | Gartral | geolocation shows the download server is the same as the site's host |
| 04:17:24 | Llorean | download.rockbox.org is. It redirects you to one of several donated servers for the actual download. |
| 04:17:59 | Gartral | wich my geoloc sould follow... it gives the end server, not entry server |
| 04:18:12 | Llorean | Do you honestly think I'm lying to you when i say "It downloads fine for me"? |
| 04:18:27 | DerPapst | preglow: FS #8637 now uses explicit wildcards. Tested and working fine :-) |
| 04:18:41 | Gartral | no... i belive you.... im just wondering why its not for me... |
| 04:19:04 | Llorean | Maybe for the very reason I claimed. "Should" and "Does" follow are two different things. |
| 04:19:22 | * | DerPapst suggests to check out FS #8637 to anyone :-) |
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| 04:20:10 | soap | hmm, with the Rockbox USB stack (High-speed) the drive icon isn't showing, but the disk continues to spin. |
| 04:21:09 | saratoga | hmm the Zen port is looking good, but the players have become surprisingly expensive |
| 04:22:07 | Llorean | saratoga: Gigabeast.... Gigabeast... |
| 04:22:19 | DerPapst | as usual when rockbox support is near :-.P |
| 04:23:22 | saratoga | Llorean: yeah i ordered one, but the guy shipped it in a paper envelope and the screen is destroyed |
| 04:23:35 | saratoga | and i'm still fighting with paypal for a refund |
| 04:23:47 | saratoga | so i'm a little sour on that for now |
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| 04:23:56 | Llorean | Ouch |
| 04:24:13 | saratoga | besides teh TMS320 is such an interesting chip, what with its free(!) DSP compiler |
| 04:24:13 | Gartral | paypricks? yes... there EVIL EVAL! |
| 04:24:26 | Llorean | Gartral: Off topic for this channel |
| 04:24:56 | saratoga | the gigabeast is probably faster then the DSP on the TI chip though definately less fun |
| 04:26:30 | Gartral | anyway... back too the DL links not working... what can i do about this/ |
| 04:26:33 | Gartral | ? |
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| 04:27:32 | saratoga | google says this: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/?C=S;O=A |
| 04:27:39 | saratoga | no idea who thats from though |
| 04:27:56 | Llorean | Gartral: Wait 30 minutes and try again? |
| 04:28:54 | saratoga | or hell just use the manual install its only marginally more difficult on most targets |
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| 04:37:11 | Gartral | i dont care about that... i like bug hunting |
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| 04:45:38 | zeroth__ | Hello guys. I was wondering if someone could give me write access to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreativeZEN ? I actually have the unit myself, and am quite capable of doing the work needed(hopefully) to get rockbox working. |
| 04:45:51 | zeroth__ | The TWiki name is TylerLaing |
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| 04:57:04 | zeroth__ | hello? |
| 04:57:12 | kkurbjun | zeroth__: I don't think anyone is around that can help you with that at the moment - 3 or 4 hours earlier and someone will usually be around that has those privileges |
| 04:57:27 | zeroth__ | ah, well, gee, I was at work. Thanks kkurbjun |
| 04:57:45 | kkurbjun | or sometime later, I'm not sure what the exact time is in Europe right now |
| 04:57:46 | scorche | kkurbjun: you cant? |
| 04:58:04 | scorche | eh...i can...just a sec |
| 04:58:04 | kkurbjun | scorche, not that I know of |
| 04:58:15 | scorche | kkurbjun: you dont have write access? |
| 04:58:29 | kkurbjun | to the wiki? |
| 04:58:31 | kkurbjun | yeah |
| 04:58:37 | kkurbjun | so I can create accounts? |
| 04:58:39 | scorche | yes...anyone with write access can give it to another |
| 04:58:43 | kkurbjun | oh |
| 04:58:50 | kkurbjun | cool, that's good to know :-D |
| 04:58:51 | scorche | they create it...you juts give them write access |
| 04:59:01 | zeroth__ | lol, cool |
| 04:59:49 | scorche | kkurbjun: look at the page i just edited |
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| 05:00:12 | kkurbjun | oh, gotcha |
| 05:00:32 | zeroth__ | so, do I have write access now? |
| 05:00:39 | kkurbjun | I'll keep that in mind in the future |
| 05:00:48 | scorche | try it |
| 05:01:09 | zeroth__ | okay, cool |
| 05:01:30 | zeroth__ | Yay, thanks guys. :) |
| 05:02:00 | * | Llorean notices RButil's voice files seem to cut off the end of strings still. |
| 05:03:05 | zeroth__ | Anyone here familiar with the Zen Vision:M port project? |
| 05:03:46 | kkurbjun | I know a bit about the CPU/SOC through the mrobe 500 |
| 05:04:30 | zeroth__ | Hmm, I was hoping for someone familiar with how Creative encrypts their firmware. |
| 05:05:07 | kkurbjun | nope, I can't help there |
| 05:05:14 | zeroth__ | Oh well. Thanks anyways. |
| 05:05:19 | kkurbjun | let me see who's the person doing the port |
| 05:05:48 | zeroth__ | mculenare |
| 05:06:09 | kkurbjun | yep, just found that :) |
| 05:07:15 | zeroth__ | pretty impressive work considering how much Creative obscured the info needed. |
| 05:07:24 | zeroth__ | Not as hard as the Zune though. |
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| 05:10:32 | kkurbjun | yep, much like the rest of the ports :P |
| 05:11:19 | kkurbjun | it would be nice if we got full docs to even one player, but so far the best is the sansa to my knowledge and that wasn't much |
| 05:11:32 | kkurbjun | better than nothing though for sure |
| 05:11:51 | Llorean | We have some decent documentation on several upcoming players actually |
| 05:12:13 | kkurbjun | Llorean: as in the gigabeat S? |
| 05:12:18 | kkurbjun | or something else? |
| 05:12:21 | Llorean | And I think D2 and Meizu as well |
| 05:12:24 | kkurbjun | ahh |
| 05:12:37 | kkurbjun | yeah, I am most interested in full schematics |
| 05:12:48 | kkurbjun | I would love to have some for the gigabeat F |
| 05:12:50 | Llorean | Well I think in the cases of all of those, it's more than we had for the e200 |
| 05:12:57 | kkurbjun | but datasheets are nice too |
| 05:13:10 | kkurbjun | true |
| 05:13:20 | kkurbjun | all we got was hw :) |
| 05:14:57 | zeroth__ | whats interesting is that, for my current player, the Creative ZEN, the SOC inside is actually fully documented... the company, Sigmatel has a port to linux for it. |
| 05:15:26 | kkurbjun | that's really nice |
| 05:15:39 | kkurbjun | and they released all the datasheets for free online? |
| 05:16:03 | zeroth__ | yes |
| 05:16:11 | zeroth__ | so, yeah, kind of have an advantage |
| 05:16:45 | kkurbjun | :), definately |
| 05:17:19 | zeroth__ | Well, I think they've released the datasheets. |
| 05:17:25 | zeroth__ | at the very least, there is source code. |
| 05:21:07 | zeroth__ | anyway, I'm off. Talk to you guys later. |
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| 05:39:36 | tylerofmaine | what's the register command? |
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| 05:50:38 | fujin | so uh, I installed the ipod port on a 4th gen grayscale earlier, it worked fine |
| 05:50:41 | fujin | copied some tracks over |
| 05:51:01 | fujin | gave it back to the dude who owns it, he charged it up then unplugged it and now it won't even load the bootloader, has the apple folder with an exclamation mark error |
| 05:51:11 | fujin | and whenever I try and use disk mode both mine and his computers lock up |
| 05:51:13 | fujin | Any ideas? :> |
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| 06:02:48 | atrus | i've been googling a bit, and getting what looks like conflicting reports. I've got a sansa e280, w/latest rockbox. I'd like to put an 8gb sdhc card in it. will rockbox read it successfully? |
| 06:03:30 | scorche | yes |
| 06:04:34 | atrus | cool. i'll have to go shopping then :) |
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| 06:11:33 | soap | The conflicting reports might be due to the fact that the Sansa original firmware will not read the 8GB SDHC card, but Rockbox will. You will therefore be advised to use a USB card reader (and writer) to write to the card efficiently. |
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| 06:20:25 | scorche | saratoga: see http://code.google.com/soc/2008/ffmpeg/appinfo.html?csaid=124750E3DFF1EA23 ? |
| 06:20:42 | BigMac | Hey, I know this isn't strictly the place, but google returned nothing. Anyone know of a way to encode multiple videos with WinFF without manually adding each individual video? |
| 06:21:04 | scorche | BigMac: do they not have a channel of their own? |
| 06:21:33 | scorche | ooo...there is this too: http://code.google.com/soc/2008/ffmpeg/appinfo.html?csaid=EC86BB4D5432E236 |
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| 06:22:13 | BigMac | Sorry for the dc, can you please send me that link again scorche? |
| 06:22:22 | Llorean | BigMac: The link wasn't to you |
| 06:22:31 | BigMac | Oh, sorry |
| 06:23:24 | BigMac | scorche: No, they don't have a channel on freenode. I thought somebody might know here, if it is possible at least. |
| 06:23:37 | Llorean | BigMac: It's really not the place to ask. |
| 06:24:01 | scorche | BigMac: errrr.... http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu/mailinglists.html |
| 06:24:37 | scorche | BigMac: you have to be kidding...84 people in #ffmpeg |
| 06:25:05 | Llorean | scorche: He's asking about Winff though, the front end tool. I wouldn't ask about it in #ffmpeg either. |
| 06:25:15 | BigMac | scorche: Yes, but I thought WinFF was the frontend for ffmpeg, so they really wouldn't know |
| 06:25:23 | Llorean | BigMac: Yes, and WE wouldn't either. |
| 06:25:35 | scorche | Llorean: eh...it is better than here |
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| 06:26:11 | BigMac | Llorean: I thought it would be worth asking, somebody may have known considering it is the recommended tool on the wiki. |
| 06:26:21 | Llorean | BigMac: A wiki page generated by random users. |
| 06:26:25 | scorche | we do have a channel for offtopic stuff... |
| 06:26:33 | Llorean | BigMac: Meanwhile, this channel is *strictly* for Rockbox talk, as per the guidelines in the topic. |
| 06:27:12 | BigMac | scorche: This is true, with myself and Chanserv |
| 06:27:22 | scorche | eh? |
| 06:27:41 | Llorean | BigMac: You've joined the wrong channel. But even if it *was* the right one, and really was empty, that still wouldn't make it okay to ask here. |
| 06:27:46 | BigMac | scorche:Isn't the offtopic channel still #rockbox-social? |
| 06:27:59 | scorche | it never was... |
| 06:27:59 | * | Llorean thinks BigMac still hasn't read this channel's topic... |
| 06:28:46 | BigMac | scorche: It was last time I knew of it, but I guess I am wrong |
| 06:28:56 | scorche | no....no it wasnt |
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| 06:29:14 | scorche | *still* didnt read the topic... |
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| 09:07:38 | JdGordon|zzz | Llorean: had any more thoughts on the touchpad keymaps? |
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| 09:08:14 | Llorean | JdGordon|zzz: Not yet. I've got a D2 and Rockbox on it now, but haven't started playing any yet. |
| 09:09:04 | Llorean | I did think of something I wanted to mention to you, but oddly enough, I've completely forgotten now that you're here |
| 09:09:06 | Llorean | Oh, right |
| 09:09:08 | Llorean | Viewports! |
| 09:09:17 | JdGordon | :) |
| 09:09:29 | Llorean | For defining buttons in the WPS screen, might it make sense to just give a viewport an action? |
| 09:09:53 | Llorean | Since they can't overlap, any touch on that viewport would do that action. So if you want an image to be the RW button, you put it in its own viewport and make it that action |
| 09:10:56 | JdGordon | for the wps i was planning on adding a region tag which would let you specify a rectangle and an action for it.. a bit more flexible than viewports because we can store much more of then without wasting RAM, and it means we dont get wps' needing 30 viewports to just draw the play/next/prev icons |
| 09:12:41 | Llorean | Play, Next, and Prev would only be three viewports. :-P |
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| 09:14:00 | amiconn | Maybe that's a new kind of button bar? |
| 09:18:21 | * | amiconn found a new interesting detail regarding the Mini and the problematic hub |
| 09:18:32 | JdGordon | BB will probably be adapted for touchpad, but not in the wps... its too limiting imo |
| 09:18:49 | * | LinusN eagerly awaits amiconn's explanation |
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| 09:18:54 | pondlife | amiconn: ? |
| 09:21:15 | amiconn | Well, it's a 4-port hub. The amount of errors seems to depend on which port I use |
| 09:21:16 | Llorean | JdGordon: Regions might work. I just thought viewports might make the .wps file less complicated, if it's just one extra parameter on the end of the viewport declaration to define its action |
| 09:22:05 | amiconn | Unfortunately the ports aren't numbered, but from the printed text I presume leftmost port is 1 |
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| 09:22:51 | amiconn | Port 1 works best (there are still many disk events in the event log, but the drive letter appears and browsing works with just occasional hangs) |
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| 09:23:25 | amiconn | Port 4 (which I happen to use for my tests normally) works worst. Often the device isn't even detected, or it is, but explorer hangs |
| 09:23:54 | amiconn | OF and hw usb targets don't care about the port used |
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| 09:35:20 | JdGordon | is it a powered hub? |
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| 10:06:53 | austriancoder | Hi all... please have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7138?getfile=16461 and tell me if you can see any problems with it |
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| 10:13:13 | preglow | austriancoder: i'll try to have a look later |
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| 10:54:15 | McDeezy | anyone here? |
| 10:55:18 | B4gder | yes many |
| 10:55:38 | McDeezy | hey =] |
| 10:55:42 | McDeezy | Just installed RockBox |
| 10:55:45 | McDeezy | this is so awesome |
| 10:56:11 | B4gder | yah, it just... rocks! |
| 10:57:13 | McDeezy | whats the best font to use |
| 10:57:39 | B4gder | the best is the one you like the most |
| 10:58:14 | GodEater | ideally one which is native to a language you can read too |
| 10:59:20 | McDeezy | none of them are big |
| 10:59:24 | McDeezy | they are soo small |
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| 11:00:28 | Llorean | McDeezy: Tried Unifont or Nimbus-19? |
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| 11:01:05 | pixelma | there are quite a few, keep trying. Usually if there is a number at the end of the font name it means the height (in pixels) - e.g. nimbus-19 is quite big |
| 11:01:44 | McDeezy | i like the nimbus 19 |
| 11:03:14 | pixelma | which font you chose has an influence on the appearance of your WPS (while playing screen) and could "break" it. What player do you have? |
| 11:04:07 | McDeezy | ipod |
| 11:04:16 | McDeezy | yea it doesnt scale the text for the now playing screen |
| 11:04:19 | McDeezy | i was just gonna say that |
| 11:04:58 | pixelma | Ipod Video (5th generation) I guess? |
| 11:05:05 | McDeezy | yes |
| 11:06:25 | pixelma | you could try to change your theme, some of them which come with Rockbox use Nimbus-19, e.g iCatcher and Rockboxed if I remember correctly |
| 11:07:38 | McDeezy | what is the speed of the CPU in ipods |
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| 11:10:46 | Llorean | Dual core 80mhz, but for most purpose we only really use one. |
| 11:12:39 | McDeezy | lmfao dual core 80 |
| 11:12:46 | McDeezy | why dual core |
| 11:12:52 | Llorean | Why would we knwo? |
| 11:13:04 | McDeezy | just seems like a waste |
| 11:13:44 | B4gder | yeah single-core ought to be enough for everyone! |
| 11:14:03 | McDeezy | single core 80mhz seems fine for an ipod |
| 11:14:13 | B4gder | based on what facts? |
| 11:14:13 | McDeezy | dualcore 80mhz for a music player |
| 11:14:19 | McDeezy | just seems overdoing it |
| 11:14:35 | B4gder | again, what are you basing this on? |
| 11:15:12 | B4gder | isn't it perhasp a good way to be energy efficient and yet have lots of power when needed? |
| 11:16:00 | McDeezy | you could be energy effiecnt making a single core at 100mhz |
| 11:16:26 | B4gder | sure |
| 11:16:41 | B4gder | I'm just not seeing why dual-core would be so strange |
| 11:16:42 | Llorean | McDeezy: Many modern MP3 players seem to take the dual core approach |
| 11:16:55 | Llorean | Though the more modern method is using a DSP as the coprocessor in a more specialized role |
| 11:16:58 | B4gder | lots of SoCs in general have dual (or more) cores these days |
| 11:17:26 | Llorean | Even with an awful lot of optimization, we find 80mhz somewhat constrictive, but nobody has put the time into splitting tasks between the cores yet. It would at least insure that load from the UI doesn't interfere with playback, and vice versa. |
| 11:17:36 | Llorean | In theory, and if well split, at least. |
| 11:17:58 | McDeezy | How does PHASE and Sonic run so well |
| 11:18:02 | McDeezy | on 80mhz |
| 11:18:17 | * | Llorean doesn't even know what those are. |
| 11:18:18 | B4gder | what's that? |
| 11:18:25 | McDeezy | the ipod games |
| 11:18:28 | Llorean | First off, it's dual core. |
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| 11:18:37 | B4gder | what ipod games? |
| 11:18:43 | Llorean | B4gder: OF games, I assume |
| 11:18:46 | McDeezy | Phase and sonic the hedgeohog |
| 11:18:47 | McDeezy | yea |
| 11:18:51 | McDeezy | OF |
| 11:18:52 | B4gder | but are they for the oldish ipods? |
| 11:18:58 | McDeezy | nope |
| 11:18:59 | Llorean | Video+ |
| 11:19:02 | McDeezy | just video |
| 11:19:26 | Llorean | B4gder: Nano 3, Video, and Classic for Phase at least |
| 11:19:34 | Llorean | Which means they probably make use of the Broadcom for graphics acceleration |
| 11:19:47 | Llorean | McDeezy: The iPod classic and newest Nano have a much faster chip in them. |
| 11:19:48 | B4gder | yes, and nano3 and classic have more power |
| 11:20:00 | McDeezy | then the video? |
| 11:20:03 | Llorean | The iPod Video has a *third* processor, the Broadcom chip which is more or less an unknown. |
| 11:21:48 | McDeezy | do homebrew devs have access to it? |
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| 11:22:32 | B4gder | we have no "access" to any parts really |
| 11:22:50 | B4gder | but people have figured out the main CPU parts |
| 11:22:56 | Llorean | Or possibly we have 'access' to everything, since we're the firmware, we've just taken it for ourselves, and don't know how to talk with it. |
| 11:23:08 | * | Llorean thinks it might depend on the definition of "access" in this case. |
| 11:23:14 | B4gder | yeps |
| 11:23:22 | McDeezy | wouldnt it be an API call |
| 11:23:32 | Llorean | What API? |
| 11:24:03 | McDeezy | Is there a specific code for iPODs? |
| 11:24:08 | McDeezy | what is the dev code? |
| 11:24:10 | B4gder | in Apple's OS there's probably an API yes |
| 11:24:13 | Llorean | Rockbox is a replacement firmware. |
| 11:24:20 | Llorean | The only APIs are those we implement for ourselves. |
| 11:24:21 | B4gder | McDeezy: we write Rockbox |
| 11:24:42 | McDeezy | Oh shit yous are the devs? |
| 11:24:46 | Llorean | It's not something that runs on top of Apple's software. We aren't just "homebrew" running like the Apple games. |
| 11:25:17 | B4gder | Rockbox is from scratch, on the metal, without anything Apple'ish |
| 11:25:57 | McDeezy | I see so your still learning how to utilize things? |
| 11:26:04 | B4gder | yes |
| 11:26:11 | B4gder | and we'll never stop since we have no docs |
| 11:26:28 | McDeezy | They dont release docs on the hardware? |
| 11:26:31 | B4gder | no |
| 11:26:52 | McDeezy | Is it possible to reverse the apple firmware |
| 11:26:55 | McDeezy | and learn from that |
| 11:26:58 | B4gder | yes |
| 11:27:14 | McDeezy | is that what you guys have been doing/ |
| 11:27:17 | B4gder | exactly |
| 11:28:29 | McDeezy | wait |
| 11:28:37 | McDeezy | so these devs that program OF games for Ipods |
| 11:28:43 | McDeezy | how do they get there documentation |
| 11:28:46 | McDeezy | Devkits? |
| 11:29:08 | B4gder | who knows |
| 11:29:22 | Llorean | Sign license agreement with non-disclosure clause, and give Apple money, etc, probably. |
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| 11:29:50 | Llorean | It doesn't really matter here though. |
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| 11:30:01 | McDeezy | why |
| 11:31:10 | Llorean | Because 1) It's probably much higher level, as you mentioned API calls, and things we cannot use. 2) If we had it, it would almost certainly have legal restrictions on it preventing us from using it even if it were helpful. |
| 11:31:50 | McDeezy | well you could create your own API calls couldnt you just learning from it |
| 11:31:52 | McDeezy | ? |
| 11:31:58 | B4gder | we have our own api |
| 11:32:46 | Llorean | If you see a gear shift, you can figure out how to shift it, but it probably doesn't give you many clues to how a transmission works. |
| 11:33:10 | Llorean | They'd be plenty useful if we were interested in writing apps to run in the Apple software, but that's not what this project is. |
| 11:34:04 | McDeezy | Im just saying the TI-83plus Calc had a GB emulator that ran at fullspeed and that CPU was 8mhz |
| 11:34:35 | B4gder | and what's that supposed to mean to us? |
| 11:34:39 | McDeezy | The ipod has plenty of power to do alot of things |
| 11:34:50 | B4gder | so go make them reality, stop explaining it to us |
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| 11:35:26 | McDeezy | did you guys write doom? |
| 11:35:34 | McDeezy | or port it |
| 11:35:35 | B4gder | no, it was "just" ported |
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| 11:37:31 | McDeezy | your EQ works so much better than apples |
| 11:37:37 | McDeezy | the bass boost in apples blows so bad |
| 11:37:43 | McDeezy | it distorted the music |
| 11:42:55 | preglow | if you think our eq can't do that, you haven't tried it enough :> |
| 11:43:20 | McDeezy | lmao |
| 11:43:49 | preglow | making a full quality gb emulator run in on an 8mhz 68k is flat out impossible |
| 11:44:27 | McDeezy | i swear to god i saw it with my own eyes |
| 11:44:27 | Llorean | preglow: TI-83 is an 8mhz z80, I think. |
| 11:44:34 | preglow | ahhh |
| 11:44:38 | preglow | if it's a z80, it's another matter |
| 11:44:38 | McDeezy | it is z80 |
| 11:44:49 | preglow | i thought all ti calcs were 68k |
| 11:44:52 | Llorean | No |
| 11:44:54 | Llorean | Just the later ones |
| 11:44:59 | * | GodEater wonders why this makes a difference |
| 11:45:02 | McDeezy | lmao |
| 11:45:14 | Llorean | GodEater: Gameboy Classic is the same instruction set, or compatible one, I think |
| 11:45:20 | GodEater | ah ha |
| 11:45:22 | preglow | well, then it can run the gameboy code natively with some hacks |
| 11:45:27 | preglow | and it pretty much has to |
| 11:45:44 | Llorean | It's basically just a faster gameboy, and since you've got no sound, very little in the way of emulation |
| 11:46:00 | Llorean | Well, 'very little' relative to what we have to do. |
| 11:46:15 | McDeezy | the 83+ could play .wav |
| 11:46:25 | McDeezy | very small wavs but it did it |
| 11:48:52 | McDeezy | what does the record featrue do |
| 11:49:50 | Llorean | McDeezy: Records from the line in on the dock connector. |
| 11:53:50 | McDeezy | Damn thats sick |
| 11:54:00 | McDeezy | is the HDD in the ipod a normal HDD? |
| 11:54:28 | Llorean | We'd call it normal, sure. |
| 11:54:54 | McDeezy | my friend said it doesnt support alot of writes |
| 11:55:10 | * | amiconn would say the one in the G5.5/80 isn't entirely normal |
| 11:55:40 | McDeezy | is it ok to use it as a disk |
| 11:57:01 | Llorean | People who depend on iPods as a backup solution are often disappointed. They support plenty of writes, but generally suffer a lot more abuse (from being used actively) than say a normal USB storage solution, which is generally only ever moved while not in use. |
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| 11:58:09 | McDeezy | i always wondered why they would use an HDD in a portable device because doesnt all the moving cause damage |
| 11:59:26 | Llorean | Again, really not our concern. We didn't design the hardware, and the issue can be debated either way. |
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| 12:02:01 | McDeezy | does it really screw the HDD up though |
| 12:04:09 | Llorean | Not normally unless you're particularly abusive, but it does increase the wear relative to just sitting it flat on a table. |
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| 12:17:43 | * | GodEater 's 80GB ipod has now been doing service for 18 months or so with no problems on the disk. Haven't had to run chkdsk so much as once. |
| 12:18:14 | GodEater | the iriver H140 has been in service for considerably longer, also without problems. |
| 12:19:06 | soap | you have to realize how low-mass a 1.8" HDD's heads are. You would really need to work at causing them to crash into the platters. They just don't have much momentum. |
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| 12:24:02 | McDeezy | whats the speed of theHDD |
| 12:24:08 | McDeezy | RPM |
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| 12:35:19 | * | preglow plays with his d2 |
| 12:36:07 | * | Llorean starts putting together a list of unreasonable expectations for preglow to accomplish |
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| 12:37:59 | preglow | i think i like this thing |
| 12:38:16 | preglow | Llorean: will probably be a couple of days until i have time to do some hacking, but we'll see :) |
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| 12:45:26 | DerPapst | preglow: i've fixed all the issues left with configureable disktidy. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8637 |
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| 12:48:48 | preglow | DerPapst: nice |
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| 12:49:02 | preglow | DerPapst: still in windows, though, so can't commit |
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| 12:50:13 | * | preglow doesn't like the idea of opening this small thing :/ |
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| 12:51:55 | Llorean | It's pretty small for what it's got in it 'n all |
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| 12:53:00 | DerPapst | preglow: ok, take your time :-) |
| 12:53:47 | B4gder | I wonder if qemu is a better foundation for the "ARM Emulator" project than skyeye |
| 12:54:31 | B4gder | it seems to feature more devices and more emulated cpus etc |
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| 12:56:15 | B4gder | and it seems like its a very busy project |
| 12:58:46 | * | amiconn wonders what austriancoder is doing :\ |
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| 13:02:32 | kugel | Why is devcon on that weeken =( |
| 13:02:49 | B4gder | we had to pick a date |
| 13:02:59 | kugel | i know |
| 13:03:22 | kugel | I just can't take part then |
| 13:03:24 | preglow | amiconn: he's here, ask him |
| 13:03:50 | B4gder | kugel: that's sad, but no matter what date we pick some people will be unable to make it! |
| 13:05:05 | preglow | i like the fact that jetaudio plays .mod ... |
| 13:05:29 | * | preglow thought he saw ffmpeg*.dll flash by during install... |
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| 13:08:23 | * | preglow bloody _hates_ intrusive software |
| 13:08:31 | * | Llorean never installed any software... |
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| 13:09:22 | GodEater | Llorean: what, ever? |
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| 13:09:31 | Llorean | GodEater: In regard to the Cowon D2. |
| 13:09:41 | GodEater | ;) |
| 13:10:13 | * | B4gder didn't understand that reference either |
| 13:10:30 | B4gder | thinking about it, I haven't even looked at the CDs for my latest targets |
| 13:11:17 | * | Llorean never even handled the CD for his D2. |
| 13:11:25 | preglow | you're not missing much, this'll be uninstalled |
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| 13:11:37 | Llorean | preglow: Why'd you install it? Curiosity? |
| 13:11:44 | B4gder | but i like that the meizu comes with one of them small CDs |
| 13:11:56 | B4gder | follows the "mini player" concept |
| 13:12:05 | JdGordon | they should have used a full size cd... it would have made it look smaller |
| 13:12:07 | preglow | Llorean: the software might have been good |
| 13:12:12 | Llorean | preglow: Ah. |
| 13:12:12 | preglow | now i know it's just annoying |
| 13:12:26 | B4gder | JdGordon: I think it's a matter of fitting in the box nicely too |
| 13:12:29 | Llorean | B4gder: I have a half dozen or so -RW mini-DVDs. I quite like the size for some reason. |
| 13:12:32 | B4gder | it comes in a rather small box |
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| 13:14:26 | GodEater | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080422-ti-and-neuros-team-up-to-build-open-source-media-platform.html |
| 13:15:02 | GodEater | I believe this is old news for us - but thought I'd post it anyway in case someone wants to wade in to the ars discussion with our "yeah but," argument on the hardware |
| 13:15:31 | B4gder | http://open.neurostechnology.com/content/neuros-and-texas-instruments-create-new-bounty-program-next-gen-open-internet-television-pla |
| 13:16:16 | preglow | free audible book, eh |
| 13:17:59 | B4gder | but that's still with that limited assembler for the DSP core I think |
| 13:18:21 | GodEater | so still not "open" the |
| 13:18:24 | GodEater | *then |
| 13:18:26 | B4gder | limited == not open and free |
| 13:18:31 | preglow | man, i love the demo track |
| 13:18:38 | preglow | it's not catch the digital flow, but it's cheesy enough |
| 13:20:02 | B4gder | " |
| 13:20:03 | B4gder | When done, it will be a complete open platform that will |
| 13:20:03 | B4gder | allow developers of all levels to contribute and port applications. |
| 13:20:09 | B4gder | hm |
| 13:20:28 | B4gder | (quote from the neuros list) |
| 13:20:51 | amiconn | austriancoder_: VOLUME_MIN and VOLUME_MAX for MAS3587F+MAS3539F are way off in your commit, and the default is rather weird too |
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| 13:25:55 | B4gder | amiconn: i think he only moved them from sound.c so they were probably wrong already then |
| 13:29:24 | preglow | "BBE is the sound effect that provides clear music" <- well, ok then |
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| 13:31:29 | LinusN | i must say that the #ifdef order in the VOLUME_MAX commit is a little backwards |
| 13:32:25 | B4gder | ah yes, its backwards |
| 13:32:29 | Llorean | It's not, actually |
| 13:32:42 | Llorean | There's a ! in the new file where there wasn't in the old |
| 13:33:12 | B4gder | true |
| 13:33:23 | Llorean | So functionally it's the same, but reading it is awful weird. |
| 13:33:23 | LinusN | it's backwards because it tests for "not equal" and the "else" instead of the opposite |
| 13:33:44 | B4gder | very confusing to read, yes |
| 13:34:05 | LinusN | but i didn't say that it was wrong |
| 13:34:57 | LinusN | i understand why he did it that way, because otherwise the #else would end up much farther away from the #if |
| 13:35:29 | Llorean | Would it be okay to just change the #else to another #if, take out the /* and */, and put a #endif before it? |
| 13:36:40 | Llorean | I mean, not from a functional standpoint, but "are there style guidelines regarding that sort of thing"? |
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| 13:40:03 | preglow | i even kinda like the retail os on this thing |
| 13:40:19 | B4gder | the guidelines would be "write code so that it is as easily read as possible" |
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| 13:50:57 | B4gder | ok, this time I'll actually ask Joe himself before I post my blog entry ;-) |
| 13:51:12 | B4gder | on neuros and TI's open platform |
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| 13:57:00 | preglow | B4gder: what, there's some reason he would mind? |
| 13:57:21 | B4gder | no |
| 13:57:39 | B4gder | just that I want to know if they rely on that DSP assembler they've mentioned before |
| 13:58:08 | preglow | the ti "free" kit? |
| 13:58:11 | B4gder | yes |
| 13:58:21 | preglow | nasty business, that |
| 13:58:23 | B4gder | basically enforcing all users of it to be GPL |
| 13:58:37 | preglow | do you know if they actually support it very well? |
| 13:58:39 | B4gder | or at least copyleft-style licensed |
| 13:58:39 | preglow | as in maintain it |
| 13:58:44 | B4gder | no idea |
| 13:59:02 | pondlife | I assume it ties the code to TI hardware too? |
| 13:59:27 | pondlife | Or could the source be target-independent? |
| 13:59:28 | B4gder | well, it generates code for TI DSPs, what else would you use it for? |
| 13:59:45 | pondlife | Ah, ok. Ignore me, I misunderstood |
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| 14:00:05 | B4gder | :-) |
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| 14:02:52 | preglow | haha |
| 14:02:58 | preglow | the box assures me the d2 is PodcastReady ! |
| 14:03:03 | preglow | pfew! |
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| 14:25:14 | webguest17 | Hi, I'd like to upload an FM preset list to Rockbox; i've just registered as JohnLeBlanc. Could someone give me write privileges please? |
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| 14:28:11 | linuxstb | preglow: Disassembled your D2 yet? ;) |
| 14:30:05 | preglow | linuxstb: heh, nah |
| 14:30:17 | preglow | i'll wait with that until i actually get to working on the dab |
| 14:30:26 | preglow | in case i manage to break it |
| 14:31:09 | austriancoder_ | amiconn: I have not changed the values of VOLUME_MIN/MAX I have only done copy&past. For the default values... I dont know how to handle them. We can fail with an error that they are not defined.. |
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| 14:38:46 | JdGordon | :) looks like shotofadds got the touchpad working correctly on the d2? |
| 14:38:59 | preglow | woot |
| 14:39:02 | preglow | how do you know? |
| 14:39:28 | JdGordon | fs#8708 |
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| 15:09:41 | baNTiK | hi hi hi all |
| 15:12:27 | preglow | good day |
| 15:12:43 | baNTiK | yea |
| 15:12:48 | baNTiK | yes |
| 15:13:28 | baNTiK | haw are you? |
| 15:13:53 | agm3nt | , |
| 15:13:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: Can you take a look at FS #8924? It's an extra blurb for the manual documenting disktidy's new functionality. |
| 15:14:34 | baNTiK | ??? |
| 15:15:10 | preglow | LambdaCalculus37: put them entries in the order they're presented in the plugin menu, otherwise it looks fine |
| 15:15:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: Okay, will fix. |
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| 15:16:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'll post a revised patch once I do. |
| 15:16:19 | preglow | i'd also like the entry extended on actually what junk files are |
| 15:16:30 | preglow | some people might not consider thumbnail caches junk, but disktidy does |
| 15:16:40 | preglow | if you could add that, it would be most excellent :) |
| 15:16:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | Sure. :) |
| 15:17:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'll help clarify the entry a little bit more. |
| 15:17:46 | baNTiK | êàê ó âàñ äåëà? |
| 15:18:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | baNTiK: Is there something we can help you with? |
| 15:18:33 | baNTiK | I am from Russia! |
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| 15:19:02 | preglow | can't help you with that |
| 15:19:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | baNTiK: This is not a social channel. This is a discussion for Rockbox development and related topics. |
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| 15:19:50 | baNTiK | sorry |
| 15:19:53 | preglow | anyone know what the different 0/1/2 folders of the d2 firmware update contains? |
| 15:20:03 | JdGordon | how many different file name/types does disktidy look for? |
| 15:20:05 | preglow | i expect perhaps one to be the bootloder, the next the firmware, and so on, but i don't know |
| 15:20:27 | JdGordon | is there any reason we cant change it to read in a descriptions text file and let the user manually check which files they want removed? |
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| 15:20:33 | JdGordon | instead of grouping thm into OS? |
| 15:21:30 | preglow | JdGordon: there's patch on adding cfg file support right now, and that can be extended to what you propose, i guess |
| 15:21:35 | preglow | JdGordon: and it doesn't sound like a bad idea at that |
| 15:21:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: I actually think the idea is much better. |
| 15:22:09 | JdGordon | patch number? |
| 15:22:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | Let me check. |
| 15:22:20 | preglow | 8637 |
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| 15:22:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | Thanks, preglow. :) |
| 15:23:02 | preglow | it would still make sense to categorize by os, if you ask me, most people use just one os |
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| 15:24:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: That's true, but there are those of us with multiple machines and OSes. |
| 15:24:30 | preglow | true, i'm one of them |
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| 15:24:37 | preglow | but i think we're in the minority :) |
| 15:24:45 | preglow | i'll just use the "all" option anyway |
| 15:24:49 | preglow | which should still be available |
| 15:25:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | I still have an iMac running MacOS 9.2.2, and use my Archos JBRv1 on that machine from time to time. |
| 15:25:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | So I'll be adding FINDER.DAT files from MacOS 9 into the plugin. |
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| 15:27:49 | linuxstb | preglow: I know "1" is the main firmware. I think "0" is some kind of "pre-installation" firmware - the upgrade process requires you to install 0, then 1. I think 0 does a low-level format/rescue of the device. |
| 15:28:16 | * | LambdaCalculus37 checks his devices to see how the disktidy menu is laid out |
| 15:28:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hmmm... |
| 15:29:11 | JdGordon | LambdaCalculus37: I'm tihnking a multi select list with "all", "none" and "GO" at the top followed by the available files |
| 15:29:31 | preglow | linuxstb: how nice |
| 15:29:37 | austriancoder_ | preglow: have you found time to look at my patch? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7138?getfile=16463 |
| 15:29:52 | JdGordon | hmm.. actually no... just replace the current "files to clean" item with the multi select list |
| 15:30:24 | JdGordon | maybe with an option for presets for the different OS'? |
| 15:30:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | Something that's simple enough without making disktidy too complicated. |
| 15:31:33 | preglow | austriancoder_: just moving hw dependent stuff from sound.c to drivers? |
| 15:32:15 | * | LambdaCalculus37 thinks that FS #8637 may not be that bad of an idea... |
| 15:32:48 | austriancoder_ | preglow: more or less... yep... |
| 15:33:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | Only thing is getting people to understand how to config disktidy to their liking. |
| 15:33:50 | preglow | austriancoder_: well, it looks good to me, and i can't see any point in not moving stuff to drivers |
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| 15:35:14 | austriancoder_ | preglow: the big goal is to clean up the ifdef hell in sound.c and move target/codec specific stuff into drivers folder or in to target tree... so its simply a cleaning up task |
| 15:35:43 | preglow | austriancoder_: which i think is a good idea |
| 15:36:32 | preglow | but then again, i know little of mas hardware, so wouldn't know if there's any better way of doing any of this |
| 15:37:44 | preglow | bah, i should look into getting one of these newfangled vmware images |
| 15:38:03 | austriancoder_ | i dont see any other ways of cleaing up sound.c |
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| 15:40:10 | austriancoder_ | i think i will commit it and see what reactions are coming back :) |
| 15:40:21 | preglow | is shotofadds reading my questions or what? the wiki was just updated :P |
| 15:40:26 | preglow | austriancoder_: sounds good |
| 15:40:39 | baNTiK | yes |
| 15:40:41 | preglow | austriancoder_: just make sure the build table has no new red/yellow before you vanish |
| 15:43:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: shotofadds sees all. :) |
| 15:43:52 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, he probably is ;) He can't access IRC from work, but reads the logs. |
| 15:44:06 | austriancoder_ | is there an easy way to compile all targets with a simple call? |
| 15:44:38 | JdGordon | with a script.. but its a waste of time |
| 15:44:41 | preglow | austriancoder_: not that i know of |
| 15:44:51 | preglow | just let the build servers do it, nobody minds red/yellow as long as its fixed |
| 15:45:02 | austriancoder_ | fine |
| 15:45:14 | preglow | is the vmware image at VMwareDevelopmentPlatform the shiznit, or is there some other source? |
| 15:46:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | I've had no problems with the vmware image. |
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| 15:54:27 | n1s | there is one annoying problem with the vmware image, the regular user isn't a member of the 'audio' group so the sims crash when trying to play sound... |
| 15:54:35 | n1s | easy fix though |
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| 16:07:01 | austriancoder_ | can somebody explain me what set_prescaled_volume execlty does and what a presacle is? Also why i need to call it when i chage most of the other sound settings? /firmware/sound.c |
| 16:08:50 | markun | austriancoder_: looks like clipping prevention for the bass and trebble settings or something |
| 16:08:58 | preglow | austriancoder_: the prescaler compensates for bass boosts, to prevent clipping |
| 16:09:40 | preglow | bass boosts/any kind of boost |
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| 16:11:12 | austriancoder_ | so set_prescaled_volume is only needed when bass, treble or volume gets changed? |
| 16:11:51 | preglow | yes, afaik, and it's only needed when volume gets changed if treble/bass controls are active |
| 16:13:11 | preglow | it's basically just a measure to make sure that audio does not clip during tone controls processing, like if i want to boost bass 12 dB, i can decrease the audio amplitude by -12 dB before processing, then increase master gain by 12 dB after processing |
| 16:13:28 | preglow | only change to the user is that tone controls do no distort when they would have without prescaling |
| 16:13:43 | preglow | however, this only works if there is enough headroom in the master gain to compensate for the prescale |
| 16:13:55 | preglow | so it does not work if you're listening to audio at the highest volume settings |
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| 16:14:25 | austriancoder_ | okay.. i see |
| 16:14:58 | preglow | it's also the cause of a nasty glitch on those targets that need software tone controls, since the prescaler is software there and has latency compared to the master gain... |
| 16:15:04 | * | preglow wants low-latency dsp :/ |
| 16:16:59 | austriancoder_ | amiconn: do you know why MAS3587F needs no set_presacled_volume() and MAS3507D needs it? |
| 16:17:20 | amiconn | MAS3587F and MAS3539F handle clipping prevention internally |
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| 16:19:07 | petur | might be an idea to put this in a comment in the code (if not already done) |
| 16:19:13 | preglow | indeed |
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| 16:46:45 | PaulJam | hi, what version does the latest bootloader for ipod mini have? (and does it already have support for CF cards?) |
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| 16:51:36 | n1s | PaulJam: I think you need to build one from svn to get cf support. |
| 16:52:01 | PaulJam | ok, thank you |
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| 16:57:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | I figure this also applies to other iPod models. |
| 16:57:55 | popey | Just popped in to say "thanks" to the rockbox devs, I just updated my iRiver H140 and the UI has been improved, it's lovely. Thanks! |
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| 17:02:23 | markun | popey: you're welcome :) |
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| 17:18:48 | austriancoder_ | it would be possible to use dsp on the sdl sim too.. or? |
| 17:19:05 | preglow | austriancoder_: sure, i tried to hack sound.c to make the sim use the same code as target once, but gave up |
| 17:19:27 | preglow | dsp, like eq and crossfeed, is already run on sims, but i think i remember some other stuff that does not work |
| 17:19:57 | * | preglow tries to remember what that wwas |
| 17:20:02 | austriancoder_ | preglow: cool.. i will try my luck.. have done some big changes localy in sound.c |
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| 17:31:06 | * | DerPapst notices some discussion about disktidy and doesn't understand JdGordon's proposals :-p |
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| 17:34:36 | preglow | DerPapst: just that each delete entry in the config file should be choosable |
| 17:34:49 | preglow | so i can choose to delete just .Trash and Recycler, for example |
| 17:35:00 | preglow | anyone know how i bloody reboot the vmware imagine? |
| 17:35:54 | DerPapst | ah ok |
| 17:36:13 | DerPapst | i think that can be done... |
| 17:36:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | DerPapst: I think your updated patch for user-configurable disktidy is on the mark. |
| 17:36:50 | preglow | but that can wait as far as i'm concerned, the base functionality is more important |
| 17:37:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes, agreed. |
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| 17:38:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | DerPapst: I like the fact that the patch allows me to add in odd trash files, like FINDER.DAT files from MacOS 9. :) |
| 17:38:31 | DerPapst | :-) |
| 17:39:02 | preglow | hmm |
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| 17:39:24 | preglow | it sucks a bit that old users won't get new entries which are bundled by default unless they first delete the old cfg by hand, though |
| 17:39:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | Or we write in the documentation that they can edit the file by hand with a text editor and add in whatever it is they want. |
| 17:40:01 | preglow | perhaps add an explicit "reset configuration file" to make it more apparent how it works? |
| 17:40:05 | DerPapst | add revision numbers to the config file :-P |
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| 17:41:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: That could be useful. |
| 17:41:20 | preglow | argh |
| 17:41:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | Users can also reset their config file in case something breaks. |
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| 17:41:32 | preglow | the vmware image doesn't seem to handle cowon d2 well :/ |
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| 17:41:35 | * | preglow wonders why |
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| 17:44:02 | * | DerPapst adds config file reset thingy |
| 17:44:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | DerPapst: Let me know when you post the patch so I can grab it and try it out. |
| 17:45:33 | DerPapst | mkay, will do :-) |
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| 17:46:47 | * | LambdaCalculus37 will work on some documentation |
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| 17:49:51 | linuxstb | preglow: Is it missing the latest multilibs patch? |
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| 18:00:20 | preglow | linuxstb: maybe, what's that for? |
| 18:00:26 | preglow | linuxstb: and how do i find out? |
| 18:00:43 | linuxstb | What error do you get? |
| 18:02:56 | DerPapst | resetting the cfg worked but i need to add a splash and somehow the config file looks a bit wired at the end :-P |
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| 18:08:28 | preglow | linuxstb: libgcc.a uses FPA instructions, whereas random.o does not |
| 18:08:45 | preglow | linuxstb: then failed to merge target specific data of file libgcc.a |
| 18:10:31 | DerPapst | sounds like the problem the multi lib patch fixes |
| 18:10:44 | linuxstb | Yes, that's the multilibs patch. It builds a libgcc.a for each specific CPU type Rockbox targets. |
| 18:11:07 | preglow | beh |
| 18:11:09 | linuxstb | You'll need to run rockboxdev.sh for ARM again - that should fix it. |
| 18:11:15 | preglow | well, i guess i'll have to build that again |
| 18:11:29 | preglow | someone (not me, of course) should update the image :> |
| 18:11:47 | preglow | i wonder if 2 gigs is enough to rebuild gcc... |
| 18:11:54 | preglow | hrmf, 600 meg free, only |
| 18:11:59 | preglow | doesn't sound like it's enough |
| 18:12:33 | preglow | no vmware users here that have already done this and can tar along arm-elf/ ? |
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| 18:15:17 | preglow | dinnerzeit |
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| 18:21:15 | DerPapst | LambdaCalculus37: added new patch with config file reset |
| 18:21:39 | DerPapst | preglow: ^ too :-) |
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| 18:23:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | DerPapst: Cool, getting the patch now. |
| 18:23:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'm going to compile shortly. |
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| 18:35:17 | * | DerPapst created a crap folder with junk files in to test ;-) |
| 18:35:39 | * | DerPapst adds "lots of" to last sentence |
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| 18:44:03 | jhMikeS | toffe82: I need to Audio LDO Enable pin too. I can't do much with the codec switched off. btw, feel free to send the tracing board here and I'll send it back when done since I'm going to be bugging alot otherwise. :) |
| 18:45:44 | jhMikeS | or perhaps it's possible to do this deductively by checking which pins are configured as GPIO + output. most are known already anyway. |
| 18:49:54 | toffe82 | jhMikeS: I can do that, I think you will go faster as I have not so many time |
| 18:50:10 | toffe82 | I will send it next week as I am out this week |
| 18:51:17 | jhMikeS | ok, thanks, I'll try a MUXC dump though and try to get somewhere sooner |
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| 18:56:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | DerPapst: Compiling a new build with your disktidy patch applied. |
| 18:58:25 | DerPapst | LambdaCalculus37: :-) |
| 18:58:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | Warning in disktidy.c; will check. |
| 18:59:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | DerPapst: Check line 94; function declaration isn't a prototype. |
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| 19:01:08 | DerPapst | huh? |
| 19:01:19 | DerPapst | maybe add void between () |
| 19:02:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | on void tidy_write_config() ? |
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| 19:02:36 | DerPapst | yes. on void tidy_write_config(void) |
| 19:03:25 | DerPapst | testing.. but it'll take a while... |
| 19:03:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | Okay, rebuiding. |
| 19:05:03 | w1ll14m | jhMikeS: i don't understand ata timings ;) |
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| 19:05:27 | w1ll14m | jhMikeS: i tried some a few mins ago, it seems i need to learn some more abuot it first |
| 19:05:33 | jhMikeS | w1ll14m: me neither since I've never done any work on that :) |
| 19:05:45 | w1ll14m | same here: ) |
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| 19:07:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | DerPapst: disktidy works on my c240. |
| 19:07:13 | DerPapst | good. :-) |
| 19:07:24 | DerPapst | compiling error resolved this way? |
| 19:07:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes. |
| 19:08:04 | * | DerPapst makes a note |
| 19:08:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | DerPapst: I'll post a new version of the patch up. |
| 19:11:15 | DerPapst | you only changed this or anything more? |
| 19:11:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | Just fixed warnings. |
| 19:12:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | Now it compiles clean.; |
| 19:12:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: Still here? |
| 19:12:28 | DerPapst | ok :-) |
| 19:13:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'll work on the manual page and post that up. |
| 19:13:14 | * | LambdaCalculus37 wants a chance to flex his LaTeX muscles :) |
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| 19:18:35 | w1ll14m | how can i get access to the windows ce binaries in nk.bin from beast ? |
| 19:18:44 | * | pixelma welcomes every manual contributor, badly needed |
| 19:18:44 | w1ll14m | is it even possible ? |
| 19:19:50 | linuxstb | w1ll14m: This is #rockbox... |
| 19:20:43 | w1ll14m | linuxstb: i'm aware of that, there just might be something intresting in it |
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| 19:23:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Want to try out FS #8637? |
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| 19:28:01 | * | LambdaCalculus37 rebuilds for his c240 because he forgot to enable USB ;) |
| 19:28:33 | * | amiconn wonders what's up with all this forgetting |
| 19:28:50 | * | amiconn enabled that once, long ago, in the Makefile |
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| 19:30:02 | * | amiconn should probably do it in the config-*.h files, then it'll even survive a reconfigure |
| 19:30:13 | * | DerPapst would probably add that to the config-*.h files |
| 19:30:52 | amiconn | Especially since I have other changes permanently enabled there (disk poweroff for Player) |
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| 19:48:53 | syn4pse | would anyone like to take a look at my rockbox patch (#8647)? It is a 3d vector maze traversal game that seems to run on all required platforms as specified in the FAQ |
| 19:50:04 | Nico_P | w1ll14m: there was something like that on the wiki page |
| 19:50:34 | Nico_P | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatSInfo#Firmware_Analyst |
| 19:51:09 | markun | syn4pse: sounds nice |
| 19:51:45 | syn4pse | :D thanks. |
| 19:52:14 | markun | and looks nice too |
| 19:52:34 | syn4pse | thanks again. I really wanted to give something back. |
| 19:52:55 | w1ll14m | Nico_P: thanx |
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| 19:57:23 | webguest | hello. I was wondering if anyone knew if rockbox would ever support mp4 video... |
| 19:58:03 | * | w1ll14m finds in I2C.dll: I2C_Close I2C_Deinit I2C_IOControl I2C_Init I2C_Open I2C_PowerDown I2C_PowerUp I2C_Read I2C_Seek I2C_Write |
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| 19:58:13 | markun | webguest: well, never say never :) |
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| 19:58:21 | Eren | hehe |
| 19:58:24 | w1ll14m | maybe some reverse engineering might get some nice info... |
| 19:58:39 | Eren | there have been a lof of improvements since I last visited rockbox homepage |
| 19:58:53 | Eren | I hope we will be able to sync our rockbox based iPods with PC via usb-cable |
| 19:58:58 | webguest | is it something that is planned? or possible? |
| 19:59:38 | BigBambi | webguest: Nothing is really planned - devs work on what they want |
| 19:59:57 | markun | and noone is working on it now |
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| 20:00:04 | killzone | how do you boot up the origional iriver firmware in UMS mode on a MTP, H10 after rockbox is installed? |
| 20:00:05 | markun | maybe after the gigabeaSt port |
| 20:00:06 | BigBambi | webguest: If someone writes it (in an acceptable manor) I'm sure it'll be considered |
| 20:00:14 | killzone | I can boot to the MTP iriver firmware just fine |
| 20:00:23 | gevaerts | Is mp4 possible on non-gigabeat without more reverse engineering ? |
| 20:00:50 | Eren | huh, reverse engineering is in everywhere :( |
| 20:01:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | That's how we do things. |
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| 20:02:01 | Eren | and how you hack :) |
| 20:02:19 | webguest | well, at least it is possible....the mpg support it has now still beats my sansa e200 support by a mile. |
| 20:03:14 | gevaerts | mpg is possible. From what I understand mp4 needs much more CPU |
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| 20:04:36 | preglow | LambdaCalculus37: am here now |
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| 20:05:33 | domonoky | and mp4 is nearly pointless when we have a good working mpeg player, as you always need to transcode your video for the needed screensize.. |
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| 20:05:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: DerPapst and I cleaned up the disktidy config patch in FS #8637; want to take a look at it? |
| 20:05:57 | preglow | LambdaCalculus37: not right now |
| 20:06:00 | * | gevaerts disagrees there. Lots of online videos are 320x240 |
| 20:06:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | But not every DAP has a screen resolution of 320x240. |
| 20:06:34 | gevaerts | True, but some have... |
| 20:06:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: No problem. When you can. |
| 20:06:42 | webguest | isn't mp4 much smaller filesize? |
| 20:06:56 | domonoky | we would better do with a good transcoder with rockbox presets included in rbutil.. :-) |
| 20:07:23 | * | gevaerts doesn't disagree :-) |
| 20:07:47 | syn4pse | webguest: generally, the more you compress, the more taxing the rendering is on the processor. So... extrapolate |
| 20:08:06 | domonoky | but ofcourse if someone writes a working mp4 player for rockbox, we wont object.. :-) |
| 20:08:15 | syn4pse | :D i'd be stoked |
| 20:08:50 | gevaerts | What format does the e200 OF play natively ? |
| 20:08:57 | AndyI | Hello All! |
| 20:08:58 | * | domonoky thinks rockbox needs more "someone"s :-) |
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| 20:09:10 | DerPapst | gevaerts: mjpeg iirc |
| 20:09:16 | * | syn4pse looks at everyone for someones |
| 20:09:26 | * | gevaerts hands out mirrors |
| 20:09:40 | syn4pse | :P |
| 20:09:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | DerPapst: It's indeed MJPEG. |
| 20:10:03 | AndyI | Question possible add support for Samsung S5L840F ? |
| 20:10:04 | webguest | I use winff with rockbox presets, is this the best option? |
| 20:10:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | In a .mov container. |
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| 20:10:27 | killzone | anyone have a clue about my H10, UMS problem? |
| 20:10:37 | gevaerts | webguest: probably, unless you like to use ffmpeg manually |
| 20:11:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | killzone: The manual explains how to do the UMS trick on the H10. |
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| 20:11:36 | killzone | I have no problem getting in UMS mode before roxbox is installed |
| 20:11:51 | killzone | and I can boot to the iriver firmware but its in MTP mode |
| 20:12:25 | Arathis | killzone: hold down O while booting and it will go into emergency mode which is an ums mode |
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| 20:13:27 | gevaerts | AndyI: what do you mean ? |
| 20:13:47 | webguest | sorry, I am lagging big time... |
| 20:13:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: Looks like it's on the wiki: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SamsungSA58#S5L840F_codename_Waltz |
| 20:13:59 | killzone | it dosent work to enter UMS after the roxbox firmware in on |
| 20:14:42 | killzone | I can hold back <−−- and boot back into the origional firmware but holding O wont work to go in UMS anymore |
| 20:14:54 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: yes, but that doesn't make me understand the question |
| 20:16:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: Perhaps he's asking about a port to a device? |
| 20:16:21 | gevaerts | killzone: what happens when you plug in the usb cable while runnning rockbox ? |
| 20:16:35 | AndyI | <gevaerts> Possible porting RockBox on this CPU? |
| 20:16:51 | killzone | it asks for drivers for roxbox media player |
| 20:17:29 | webguest | anyone else get static sound from rockbox on e200? |
| 20:17:38 | gevaerts | killzone: what happens if you plug in while holding "right" ? |
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| 20:18:02 | bertrik | webguest: what do you mean by static sound? |
| 20:18:24 | killzone | ok that worked, thanks |
| 20:18:29 | bertrik | white noise, clicks, clipping? |
| 20:18:33 | killzone | should of thought to try that |
| 20:19:25 | gevaerts | AndyI: it should be possible, but supporting the CPU is only a small part of porting rockbox to a device |
| 20:20:17 | domonoky | what core is in this samsung cpu ? arm ? |
| 20:20:56 | gevaerts | Actually, it seems to be CalmRISC. That will be more work |
| 20:21:22 | domonoky | CalmRisk16, that would be some work.. a 16bit architecture.. |
| 20:21:28 | bertrik | webguest: some people report interference from flash access in the sound on the sansa e200, especially with certain headphones |
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| 20:21:39 | * | amiconn thinks we should stop porting to new arm targets for a while |
| 20:21:43 | * | gevaerts checks again to make sure |
| 20:21:52 | amiconn | arm is becoming kinda boring... |
| 20:21:54 | webguest | on menus, when music is paused there is white noise...it is there suring playback also but not as noticeable |
| 20:22:25 | domonoky | amiconn: then buy a player with another arch, and start a new port.. new players are always welcome :-) |
| 20:22:31 | shotofadds | amiconn: sounds like a good idea, i need a few weeks off :p |
| 20:23:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | And pretty much every player coming out nowadays is ARM based. |
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| 20:23:12 | amiconn | shotofadds: The ones already being worked on are an exception of course |
| 20:23:21 | shotofadds | meh :/ |
| 20:23:25 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: don't you see the point ? amiconn doesn't like most new players ;) |
| 20:23:43 | webguest | I'm using original sandisk buds. |
| 20:23:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Don't forget that you recently ported to a Coldfire-based player, too. :) |
| 20:23:49 | bertrik | has rockbox ever been ported to a 16-bit architecture? |
| 20:24:02 | webguest | suring = during |
| 20:24:12 | amiconn | bertrik: There were the beginnings of a gmini 1xx / gmini sp port |
| 20:24:24 | amiconn | Calmrisc 16 ... |
| 20:24:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | But that code's been wiped from the source tree, hasn't it? |
| 20:25:22 | webguest | so if it is flash access there is no fix? |
| 20:25:27 | bertrik | webguest: I have a sansa e260 and I have no such problem, so I'm afraid I can't help you |
| 20:25:40 | bertrik | webguest: is it a constant noise or do you hear some kind of pattern in it? |
| 20:25:58 | bertrik | webguest: does your sansa have a radio? |
| 20:26:03 | amiconn | LambdaCalculus37: Only the target specific parts. The (partial) datatype adjustments were kept |
| 20:26:24 | amiconn | But calmrisc16 is a nasty architecture |
| 20:26:38 | amiconn | Not only is it 16 bit, but also harvard architecture |
| 20:27:34 | gevaerts | No overwriting code by accident ! That must be good ! |
| 20:28:06 | amiconn | Hah, but the gminis have no ram that can be used as instruction memory |
| 20:28:22 | amiconn | All instruction memory is flash, ram is only usable for data |
| 20:28:39 | amiconn | That puts *severe* constraints on codecs and plugins... |
| 20:29:03 | * | gevaerts sees the issue |
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| 20:30:04 | webguest | it is constant unless I am pressing buttons or using the wheel, then it is interupted |
| 20:30:13 | webguest | yes, I do have fm radio |
| 20:30:44 | AndyI | <amiconn> So it is possible or not? |
| 20:31:34 | DerPapst | almost everything is possible, but someone has to do it |
| 20:31:53 | DerPapst | and if no one is willing nothing will hapen |
| 20:31:54 | amiconn | Other than that, I would have been happy to see rockbox running on the gminis. Gmini 1xx / SP were 2.5" HDD, 128x64 monochrome LCD targets. The plans also included porting to the Gmini 2xx, which would have been the first (and only) 4-bit greyscale target |
| 20:31:59 | amiconn | (16 shades) |
| 20:32:02 | DerPapst | so feel free to start the port :-) |
| 20:32:04 | gevaerts | AndyI: I would say possible, but very hard |
| 20:32:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | So you have to be willing to really study hard and learn everything you can. |
| 20:34:47 | amiconn | gevaerts: Another problem back then was (and probably still is) the compiler. There is an experimental gcc port, but I had/ve my doubts regarding its output |
| 20:34:58 | amiconn | Afaik, gcc is designed for 32 bit (and higher) |
| 20:35:40 | gevaerts | There are a few 16 bit targets around, but they seem to be rare and not very well supported (at least not merged into the main tree) |
| 20:35:41 | bertrik | webguest: Just guessing about the radio, but I can imagine that unmuted FM radio input could cause the noise. OTOH, I think that if this was the case, it would have been detected earlier by sansa devs |
| 20:36:48 | bertrik | webguest: in one of the debug menus you can force the processor to run at a higher speed (80 MHz) instead of 30/24MHz. You could try that out to see if it makes a difference |
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| 20:37:25 | preglow | amiconn: the instruction set is the defining characteristic of working on an mp3 player for you? |
| 20:37:33 | * | preglow doesn't get why something is boring just because it's arm |
| 20:38:08 | preglow | shotofadds: is the d2 bootloader dual boot currently? |
| 20:38:18 | preglow | yes, it pretty much has to be |
| 20:38:21 | preglow | then why can't i find the code :/ |
| 20:39:46 | bertrik | hmm, where did webguest go? |
| 20:41:02 | AndyI | <gevaerts> url? about 16 bit target |
| 20:41:36 | shotofadds | preglow: the dual-boot is in crt0.s (it either branches to the OF immediately or copies/runs the bootloader) |
| 20:41:53 | gevaerts | AndyI: sorry, I don't have a URL handy. Just some vague memories |
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| 20:45:02 | preglow | shotofadds: i seem to have some funkiness after patch here |
| 20:45:12 | preglow | shotofadds: ah, no, here it comes |
| 20:45:33 | * | shotofadds wonders how you can say "funkiness" and then take it back... |
| 20:45:54 | preglow | patched the bootloader and flashed it now, i'm a bit puzzled why it took so long to connect after usb |
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| 20:46:03 | preglow | we'll see if it works now |
| 20:46:23 | preglow | is this the first dab version to be patched? |
| 20:47:39 | shotofadds | no, mine's DAB, too. |
| 20:47:44 | shotofadds | good luck... |
| 20:47:56 | * | shotofadds puts £10 on preglow getting a CRC error on boot |
| 20:48:17 | * | gevaerts declares that bet invalid. shotofadds has insider knowledge |
| 20:48:24 | preglow | well, let's hope for calm seas |
| 20:48:52 | shotofadds | you know you have to flick the hold switch to get rockbox, right? |
| 20:49:01 | preglow | no... |
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| 20:49:32 | shotofadds | well, try that :p |
| 20:49:43 | preglow | how long is boot supposed to take? |
| 20:49:58 | preglow | right, i have to unflick hold... |
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| 20:50:25 | preglow | well, this looks peachy |
| 20:50:30 | preglow | always cool to see the rockbox logo on a new device :P |
| 20:50:37 | shotofadds | nice one :-) |
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| 20:51:28 | shotofadds | the bootloader pauses while hold is on, so you can read those lovely messages.... I really should remove that. |
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| 20:51:51 | preglow | no biggie |
| 20:51:56 | preglow | what clock do we run at right now? |
| 20:52:11 | shotofadds | default is 48, boost is 192 |
| 20:52:12 | preglow | hmm, top part of the screen is clipped away |
| 20:52:26 | shotofadds | yep.. have you read the Known Issues part of the wiki? |
| 20:52:35 | shotofadds | feel free to fix it :p |
| 20:53:00 | preglow | ahh |
| 20:53:00 | preglow | right |
| 20:53:03 | preglow | missed that |
| 20:53:16 | shotofadds | did you compile the touchscreen patch in? |
| 20:53:20 | preglow | nopes |
| 20:53:26 | preglow | went as vanilla as i could for starters |
| 20:53:30 | shotofadds | probably for the best ;-) |
| 20:54:11 | preglow | well, i've found it to seldom be a flat out bad strategy :P |
| 20:54:43 | preglow | now, what the hell shall i hack at first |
| 20:55:25 | shotofadds | expect lots of things to fail occasionally (and randomly) at this point, due to the nand driver. eg. loading plugins/codecs might unexpectedly abort. very occasioanlly the font or backdrop might be screwed up. |
| 20:55:39 | shotofadds | it's a good job it doesn't play music at this stage, really... |
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| 21:14:05 | bertrik | BDF files are just text files, right? I was looking at FS #8905 which contains an updated version of nimbus-11.bdf, but I can't see any difference |
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| 21:14:51 | bertrik | the svn properties on the nimbus-10, 11, 12 files do appear to be different |
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| 21:15:06 | ze | LambdaCalculus37: dunno if its still useful, hopeful, or relevant, but i finally found my spare karma mainboard |
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| 21:17:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | ze: It'll still be hopeful in the future, but until I can get ahold of the source diffs for eCos, the Karma port isn't going anywhere right now. |
| 21:17:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | So hang onto the board, and when the time comes, I'll give you a holler. |
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| 21:18:19 | ze | the source diffs for eCos? isn't that sigmatel property? |
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| 21:18:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | No, that's Red Hat's. |
| 21:18:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | Besides, the Karma's a PortalPlayer-based DAP. |
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| 21:24:28 | preglow | shotofadds: i don't really expect it to be perfect, n |
| 21:24:29 | preglow | o |
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| 21:26:57 | * | preglow wonders why flashing the d2 with a new firmware reset the date... |
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| 21:27:16 | n1s | bertrik: yes they are and no 'svn diff' doesn't see a difference either... |
| 21:28:39 | * | shotofadds wonders why an awful lot when Cowon are involved |
| 21:29:18 | pixelma | bertrik: looks like he posted the wrong (original) file but I think I see what's wrong. The "braceright" is missing the "encoding" ID line (probably because fontforge screwed those up for me sometimes and had to fix it by hand) |
| 21:29:24 | shotofadds | the RTC date (from the PCF50606) doesn't work in Rockbox. I have no idea what scheme they're using. |
| 21:29:42 | pixelma | bertrik: compare to the above and below characters |
| 21:30:10 | bertrik | pixelma: ok, I'll have a look at it, just installed the font |
| 21:30:34 | bluebroth3r | Llorean: do we have a rule about quoting on the forums? |
| 21:30:53 | mcuelenaere | is there some kind of button detection slowdown? because currently when I press down, the menu just goes to the lowest menu item |
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| 21:31:32 | pixelma | should be "ENCODING 125" in the .bdf file, line 1343 then |
| 21:31:57 | pixelma | ^ bertrik |
| 21:32:41 | bertrik | pixelma: ah I see it's missing from the bdf file indeed, but don't know how to check the glyph on the target |
| 21:32:46 | pixelma | the } probably won't show up currently |
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| 21:34:17 | * | n1s tried with the opti2.kbd i a sim } was replaced by a dotted box |
| 21:34:26 | pixelma | bertrik: you could use the text_editor |
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| 21:36:55 | bertrik | pixelma: Good idea, but the { and } actually look correct in text_editor... |
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| 21:37:26 | bertrik | I could just fix it as it's clearly incorrect in the current version and ask the original submitter to check it |
| 21:39:12 | n1s | bertrik: does that use the ui font though? |
| 21:39:39 | bertrik | ehm, no ... |
| 21:39:46 | * | bertrik hides |
| 21:40:09 | pixelma | it looks correctly in the virtual keyboard as long as you don't use an own keyboard file (because it's using the built-in font) but if you used it and see the text with nimbus-11 selected it is replaced by the "unknown char" dotted box |
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| 21:43:07 | preglow | shotofadds: file not found :P |
| 21:44:06 | shotofadds | preglow: that's just another reason why you might fancy a look at the nand driver... :g |
| 21:44:20 | preglow | shotofadds: but that's weird, rockbox.iaudio is in the same place as always |
| 21:44:30 | w1ll14m | jhMikeS: you still here ? |
| 21:44:33 | preglow | i uploaded some music, but that's that |
| 21:44:43 | shotofadds | it's reading the FAT incorrectly. boot the OF or re-copy it and it'll be fine. |
| 21:44:57 | preglow | shotofadds: any way to reset it, then? holding power off doesn't seem to work |
| 21:45:27 | bertrik | pixelma: ok, I'll get it fixed |
| 21:45:35 | shotofadds | if power off doesn't work, there's a reset button next to the usb socket. I need to fix that. |
| 21:45:42 | pixelma | bertrik: nice, thanks :) |
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| 21:46:52 | markun | AndyI: which player with a s5l8450 do you want to port rockbox to? |
| 21:47:21 | shotofadds | preglow: or hold power for >1 sec, then the PCF should time-out after 8 seconds. |
| 21:47:27 | jhMikeS | w1ll14m: yes |
| 21:47:49 | preglow | shotofadds: so if i keep power pressed for 1 sec, it'll reboot after eight secs? |
| 21:49:09 | shotofadds | we don't clear the PCF time-out register when it sends us the ONKEY1S interrupt, so it should power off after eight secs, yes. |
| 21:49:27 | preglow | nice |
| 21:49:31 | preglow | weird |
| 21:49:34 | shotofadds | (I want to keep it that way, btw). |
| 21:49:42 | preglow | yeah, understandable |
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| 21:49:52 | preglow | according to retail usb, my rockbox tree exists |
| 21:49:56 | preglow | but not according to rockbox :Z |
| 21:50:35 | w1ll14m | jhMikeS: can you understand assembly ? |
| 21:50:39 | preglow | shotofadds: time is seriously messed up here too, btw, it doesn't agree with retailos at all |
| 21:51:31 | shotofadds | preglow: as I said, the nand driver is easily confused, sometimes it returns an 'old' copy of some blocks (rather bad if it gets the FAT wrong..) |
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| 21:51:49 | * | bluebrother considers unsubscribing from the users ml |
| 21:51:57 | shotofadds | weird, the time works here. maybe you'd like to have a look into that... |
| 21:52:13 | preglow | shotofadds: well, it's pretty clear where i should spend my effort first, heh |
| 21:52:27 | preglow | shotofadds: yeah, planning to just check out the rtc as a small sart |
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| 21:52:31 | preglow | bluebrother: why? |
| 21:52:34 | shotofadds | oh yes, the important features first eh :p |
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| 21:52:57 | bluebrother | preglow: too much noise and ignorant people :( |
| 21:53:07 | jhMikeS | w1ll14m: I think so - haven't done much assembly coding </irony> |
| 21:53:12 | preglow | i love the people who need to have the rules explained to them |
| 21:53:20 | w1ll14m | hehe |
| 21:53:20 | preglow | i just delete those peoples mails without reading them |
| 21:53:33 | n1s | bluebrother: i did that long ago... |
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| 21:53:37 | shotofadds | preglow: currently it re-uses the rather bare H300(?) RTC code at the moment. take a look there as a starting point |
| 21:53:42 | preglow | we should periodically spam the list with the rules, btw, or do we do that? |
| 21:53:47 | bluebrother | yep. And who don't understand that rules are to get followed, not to get nagged about all time |
| 21:53:56 | w1ll14m | jhMikeS: might be intresting: http://www.pastebin.ca/993686 |
| 21:53:58 | preglow | shotofadds: i wrote the ipod pcf code, so i know how it works pretty well |
| 21:54:07 | bluebrother | if he wants to discuss the etiquette ... but he even didn't do that. |
| 21:54:07 | preglow | shotofadds: ehh, at least the rtc part of it :-) |
| 21:54:18 | shotofadds | preglow: eggcellent :-) |
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| 21:56:01 | shotofadds | preglow: if you fancy enabling the PCF debug menu on the D2, that'd be a good start too :P |
| 21:56:10 | preglow | shotofadds: on it right now, heh |
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| 21:58:03 | mcuelenaere | amicon:: a |
| 21:58:08 | mcuelenaere | amiconn: are you there?* |
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| 22:02:36 | preglow | ouch, the vmware image is sarge |
| 22:02:44 | jhMikeS | sarge? |
| 22:02:54 | w1ll14m | debian |
| 22:02:58 | jhMikeS | super+large? |
| 22:03:00 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 22:03:06 | w1ll14m | debian sarge is a release |
| 22:03:15 | preglow | the old stable |
| 22:03:17 | jhMikeS | ah |
| 22:03:19 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 22:03:22 | bluebrother | then it would be slarge ;-) |
| 22:03:26 | preglow | is there a sarge tree arund? |
| 22:03:29 | preglow | i need vim :/ |
| 22:03:54 | * | jhMikeS tries to pay no attention to various OSs |
| 22:03:55 | bluebrother | can't you apt-get it? |
| 22:04:04 | w1ll14m | jhMikeS: have you checked the pastebin url i typed above ? |
| 22:04:32 | jhMikeS | w1ll14m: yes |
| 22:04:38 | preglow | bluebrother: repo is broken here, it seems |
| 22:04:42 | preglow | bluebrother: it's some greek mirror |
| 22:04:47 | w1ll14m | jhMikeS: is it somewhat interesting ? |
| 22:04:58 | bluebrother | urgh :( |
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| 22:05:00 | preglow | bluebrother: but my point is, stable repos are etch now, not sarge, so it'll probably be one hell of an update |
| 22:05:03 | w1ll14m | jhMikeS: maybe some registers could be used ? |
| 22:05:22 | * | bluebrother avoids debian if possible |
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| 22:05:31 | * | w1ll14m only uses gentoo |
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| 22:05:41 | w1ll14m | if possible |
| 22:05:47 | * | preglow uses ubuntu unless forced to do otherwise |
| 22:05:51 | * | preglow is tired of battling with his os |
| 22:06:17 | * | linuxstb shares preglow's view, and is slowly migrating from debian to ubuntu... |
| 22:06:38 | bluebrother | same here ... that's the reason why I'm keeping Fedora |
| 22:06:39 | * | linuxstb isn't volunteering for a Ubuntu vmware image though |
| 22:06:48 | w1ll14m | hehehehe |
| 22:06:52 | preglow | i think debian is a good enough choice for this image |
| 22:06:56 | preglow | but etch would be nice |
| 22:06:58 | jhMikeS | w1ll14m: We know which i2c's the chips are on |
| 22:07:12 | w1ll14m | jhMikeS: ok :) |
| 22:07:28 | jhMikeS | the rest is just standard. I'll already wrote the driver but can't test anything without actually powering up one the ic's on the bus. |
| 22:07:35 | mcuelenaere | does someone here has some experience with a PIC18xx? |
| 22:07:36 | jhMikeS | s/I'll/I |
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| 22:08:04 | n1s | jhMikeS: do you know any other gpio pins than the ones in GigabeatSPortPins ? if os could you fill them in, please :) |
| 22:08:06 | DerPapst | jhMikeS: is that dangerous= |
| 22:08:07 | bluebrother | only AVR on my side |
| 22:08:15 | w1ll14m | jhMikeS: i will try to find something related to pcm |
| 22:09:38 | jhMikeS | DerPapst: not if I know which GPIO turns on the LDO for the codec. |
| 22:10:40 | jhMikeS | TV+WM are on I2C1, FM is on I2C2 |
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| 22:12:40 | * | bertrik did some hacking with a PIC16F84 a long time ago, but is happy he forgot about that |
| 22:13:07 | preglow | are there any real differences between pcf50605 and 50606 ? |
| 22:13:33 | jhMikeS | one? |
| 22:13:43 | n1s | jhMikeS: regarding your previous comment about which pins are outputs, this is what I have found in the nk_eboot.exe: gpio1 pins 0, 21, 22, 24, 26, 29 and 30 are outputs, gpio 2 pins 12, 13, 16, 26 and 27 are outputs, gpio3 pins 2, 5, 6, 7, 12, 13, 14, 16, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25 are outputs, |
| 22:13:51 | mcuelenaere | bertrik: you don't know of any good decompilers besides IDA? :) |
| 22:14:11 | mcuelenaere | regarding the PIC that is |
| 22:14:37 | bertrik | mcuelenaere: no, sorry |
| 22:14:57 | jhMikeS | n1s: the GDIRs are in the debug menu :). It's getting the cadidates from the SWMUXCTL that's the pain (but done already) |
| 22:15:29 | preglow | jhMikeS: :D |
| 22:15:36 | n1s | jhMikeS: ah, right, did the digging already though :) |
| 22:15:40 | jhMikeS | the have to be selected as GPIO in SW_MUX_CTL_... as well |
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| 22:16:34 | * | jhMikeS will see if the AND between those sets actually narrows things down or if it should wait until the tracing board arrives |
| 22:17:43 | n1s | or if you are confident in your i2c driver do it brute force by trying each pin :D |
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| 22:19:05 | jhMikeS | it's not the i2c driver. I have to set GPIOs to turn on power supplies to a chip before I can even try to send anything to it on i2c. |
| 22:19:24 | jhMikeS | if the i2c is messed up, well, no harm and it fails to read/write |
| 22:19:49 | n1s | yeah, i know, but if you try to set one bit and test i2c, set next bit, etc.. |
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| 22:21:14 | jhMikeS | It follows the procedure from the manual so I imagine I'd get some activity after it sends the slave address. |
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| 22:21:38 | preglow | any reason why all rtc circuits use bcd? |
| 22:22:11 | n1s | preglow: not all rtc's are |
| 22:22:24 | preglow | all i've seen are |
| 22:22:28 | jhMikeS | I don't think most stuff on the imx31/mc13783 does (don't hold me to that though) |
| 22:22:30 | n1s | the two (!) rtc's in the gigabeat S are not for example |
| 22:22:38 | preglow | really, nw |
| 22:23:09 | stripwax | guess back in the days you could drive an eight-segment display with simple logic if the rtc was bcd |
| 22:23:52 | preglow | haha |
| 22:23:54 | stripwax | ok, so what's needed to implement standby clocking on pp targets? |
| 22:23:57 | preglow | oh, the days when that was important |
| 22:24:07 | preglow | stripwax: standby clocking? |
| 22:24:17 | stripwax | 32kHz? I think |
| 22:24:29 | w1ll14m | stripwax: deep sleep ? |
| 22:24:33 | preglow | ahh, right, sleep |
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| 22:24:37 | stripwax | If that's what it's called! :-) |
| 22:24:41 | n1s | preglow: the as3514 (in sansas isn't either) but the rockbox get_time() expects it in that format so it is bcd encoded in the driver after being read. |
| 22:24:52 | preglow | stripwax: there are some research docs on the clocksel part of the pp around |
| 22:24:53 | preglow | from mrh |
| 22:25:03 | preglow | you could see if that lists 32khz osc source |
| 22:25:20 | jhMikeS | why not just reimplement get_time? :\ |
| 22:25:24 | preglow | i sure would |
| 22:25:35 | stripwax | i think someone (amiconn?) already did that, but could be mistaken. Will take a quick look though |
| 22:25:51 | n1s | jhMikeS: that's one thing I've thought about doing after fighting with that stuff :) |
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| 22:26:57 | jhMikeS | n1s: if you got the RTC working using the external one, why shouldn't we use that until if/when the deal with the SoC one is figured out? |
| 22:27:00 | bertrik | set the clock to UTC and use timezone info to automatically set DST :P |
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| 22:27:56 | stripwax | In fact looks like 32khz is already in system-pp502x.c |
| 22:28:26 | stripwax | CPUFREQ_SLEEP |
| 22:28:57 | n1s | jhMikeS: both my rtc attempts had bugs :) the external one gave sane time date readings after being set (time moving forward etc) but the year would change with each read, I'll look at it again when I find time |
| 22:29:59 | * | bertrik takes some time from his RTC and hands it to n1s |
| 22:30:43 | * | n1s has insane amounts of stuff to do for the rest of april (many of those things involve drinking beer though) :D |
| 22:34:27 | preglow | programming? |
| 22:35:42 | n1s | no, (my programming skills are not at 'coding while drunk' levels yet) :D |
| 22:37:22 | preglow | mine probably are, i'm just bloody lousy at it |
| 22:37:35 | preglow | it also happens to be the last thing i want to do when drinking |
| 22:37:54 | preglow | \o/ |
| 22:38:00 | * | preglow found the "always folk music" dab channel |
| 22:38:59 | linuxstb | Isn't digital radio wonderful? ;) |
| 22:39:45 | * | gevaerts still doesn't understand what radio has to do with fingers |
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| 22:40:00 | preglow | gevaerts: fingers? |
| 22:40:06 | shotofadds | preglow: what firmware version are you using? DAB didn't work at all for me until 4.53, and only works well now that 4.55 has been released. |
| 22:40:12 | gevaerts | preglow: _digital_ radio |
| 22:40:21 | preglow | gevaerts: :PPP |
| 22:40:23 | preglow | hard one... |
| 22:40:34 | preglow | shotofadds: 4.55, and a couple of channels didn't pop up until now |
| 22:40:38 | preglow | shotofadds: i just updated |
| 22:40:48 | * | petur has a go at programming after drinking (for the interested: geuze mort subite) |
| 22:40:51 | alienbiker99 | preglow what player are you talking about? |
| 22:40:53 | preglow | shotofadds: it came with 4.54, which also had working dab |
| 22:40:56 | preglow | alienbiker99: cowon d2 |
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| 22:41:04 | preglow | petur: i love mort subite :/ |
| 22:41:08 | alienbiker99 | ah ok. |
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| 22:41:35 | shotofadds | ah good, I think linuxstb has had a dab-ble around with v4.55 and found some interesting stuff ;-) |
| 22:41:55 | preglow | heh |
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| 22:50:19 | preglow | a channel exclusively for advertising weather conditions at sea, now this is great |
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| 22:55:14 | Bagder | oh, possibly interesting TI news pending |
| 22:56:34 | scorche|sh | regarding new chip, or OSS help? |
| 22:56:42 | Bagder | oss help |
| 22:57:04 | Bagder | Joe hints about a "possible gcc port" from them |
| 22:57:34 | scorche|sh | interesting... |
| 22:57:44 | Bagder | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.embedded.neuros.dm320/2481 |
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| 22:59:00 | Bagder | the longer rant in my blog of course ;-) |
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| 23:00:34 | preglow | gcc port from ti? |
| 23:00:41 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:00:47 | preglow | i ponder hw useful that'll be |
| 23:00:50 | Bagder | well, presumably only still |
| 23:00:52 | preglow | dsps are hard targets for c compilers |
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| 23:02:55 | preglow | leaps and bounds better than not having a c compiler, of course.. |
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| 23:13:05 | preglow | anyone think merging the pcf50605 and 50606 drivers would be a bad idea? |
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| 23:15:11 | * | shotofadds thinks it'd be a great idea, but was too much of a newbie to merge any more than the register #defines... |
| 23:15:47 | preglow | i don't think there are any differences, really |
| 23:15:55 | preglow | there is some ipod specific code here and there, but that can be ifdeffed |
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| 23:26:52 | H10er | hello there! |
| 23:28:18 | H10er | I have a question about RockBox. Anyone in charge here? |
| 23:28:35 | gevaerts | Noone is in charge :) If you have a question, just ask |
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| 23:29:31 | H10er | Um, I was wondering if RockBox supports WMA Pro, or if there is any prospect of future development |
| 23:29:46 | n1s | it doesn't currently |
| 23:30:32 | H10er | is that because the source code is not open? |
| 23:31:07 | preglow | i don't think anyone knows how wma pro works, no |
| 23:31:08 | linuxstb | Yes (as far as I know) |
| 23:31:26 | n1s | however ffmpeg got a gsoc project for this summer to investigate and maybe try to implement support (in ffmpeg, which the rockbox codec is based on) |
| 23:31:30 | preglow | we're very interested in supporting absolutely all formats we can, unless they employ some kind of digital rights management scheme |
| 23:31:33 | H10er | oh, pitty! but RockBox is great anyway! |
| 23:31:50 | preglow | n1s: why, cool! i didn't know that |
| 23:31:56 | preglow | i need to find the ffmpeg soc overview |
| 23:32:11 | scorche|sh | preglow: i liked it last night =/ |
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| 23:32:43 | H10er | i was surfing some forums and everyone seemed to ditch WMA. I really don't understand why. seems it's a thing against Microsoft |
| 23:33:00 | preglow | H10er: well, wma v1 and v2 really isn't a very good format |
| 23:33:03 | linuxstb | preglow: You can just click on organisations here to see their projects - http://code.google.com/soc/2008/ |
| 23:33:04 | preglow | or at least it has no very good encoders |
| 23:33:08 | scorche|sh | ther eis also something about ALAC and AAC |
| 23:33:09 | preglow | linuxstb: thanks |
| 23:33:28 | scorche|sh | well, AAC-LC |
| 23:33:28 | * | linuxstb thought AAC was a project for ffmpeg last year... |
| 23:33:37 | H10er | but Pro is great. at 64kbps it does great compared to mp3 encoded with lame at the same bitrate |
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| 23:34:05 | alienbiker99 | 64kbps blech. such bad quality |
| 23:34:05 | preglow | aac-lc again? |
| 23:34:07 | * | scorche|sh wonders why he would want to have such a low bitrate mp3/WMA |
| 23:34:08 | preglow | that's bloody almost finished |
| 23:34:21 | preglow | they've been reviewing a patch for that on the ffmpeg list lately... |
| 23:34:40 | * | gevaerts prefers his 48kbps mp3s |
| 23:34:44 | H10er | well i guess, deductively speaking, if its that good at low bitrates it would be at high ones oo |
| 23:34:44 | stripwax | ha |
| 23:34:59 | scorche|sh | H10er: not necessarily... |
| 23:35:02 | H10er | oh |
| 23:35:20 | scorche|sh | i still dont know why one would want to have that low bitrate of those formats anyway |
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| 23:36:14 | H10er | well i think it's about personal taste. its called 'psycho'-acoustic after all. not al ears hear the same |
| 23:36:41 | H10er | i don't like low bitrates either |
| 23:36:42 | scorche|sh | oh...you encode *music* at that bitrate? |
| 23:36:51 | H10er | but it was impressive |
| 23:37:17 | H10er | low bitrates sound awful, definately |
| 23:37:20 | linuxstb | I've been quite impressed with HE-AAC (or whatever it's called..) at low bitrates as well. |
| 23:37:28 | H10er | but comparing is different |
| 23:37:33 | H10er | really |
| 23:37:42 | H10er | does rockbox support HE-AC? |
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| 23:38:58 | preglow | H10er: if your player is powerful enough: yes |
| 23:39:04 | bluebrother | all lossy compression uses some sort of psycho-acoustic model ... |
| 23:39:19 | preglow | bluebrother: well, an encoder doesn't _have_ to use one |
| 23:39:25 | H10er | well I have H10 20gb. would that be considered powerful? |
| 23:39:32 | preglow | the rockbox mp3 encoder has no psychoaccoustic model, for example |
| 23:39:33 | linuxstb | No |
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| 23:39:52 | preglow | H10er: you'd need a 100mhz++ cpu for that, he-aac is a very demanding format |
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| 23:40:00 | H10er | oh |
| 23:40:02 | bluebrother | I wouldn't use that for music encoding anyway :) |
| 23:40:09 | H10er | why? |
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| 23:40:44 | bluebrother | because recording shouldn't use lossy formats. Transcoding can always be done later |
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| 23:41:05 | keanu | is there a 64 char cutoff per line in theme config files? |
| 23:41:10 | bluebrother | including some enhancement stuff. Like denoising if needed. |
| 23:41:31 | H10er | well, not everybody has their own philarmonic orchestra at home though... |
| 23:41:56 | gevaerts | no ? |
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| 23:43:02 | bluebrother | it's like image manipulation: you wouldn't save the intermediate files as compressed jpg, would you? |
| 23:43:16 | keanu | I was testing a theme in a sim, and noticed that "viewers iconset: /.rockbox/icons/default-white_viewers_icons.6x8x16.bmp" would show "read_bmp_file: can't open '/.rockbox/icons/default-white_viewers_icons.6x8x.bmp', rc: -1" in the log |
| 23:43:20 | H10er | well, no |
| 23:43:43 | preglow | no one said it was for an intermediate format |
| 23:43:43 | H10er | but if you rip CDs, you have to rip them to a lossy format |
| 23:43:48 | preglow | H10er: no |
| 23:43:50 | bluebrother | same goes for music. |
| 23:43:58 | preglow | H10er: i've got my entire cd collection as lossless wavpack, for example |
| 23:44:16 | keanu | "viewers iconset: [....]6x6x" is exactly 64 characters though, and the '.bmp' appears to be appended automatically if it isn't there (changing .bmp to .bm will still show .bmp in logs) |
| 23:44:20 | H10er | well, my 20gb are not that much for my cd collection in lossless... |
| 23:44:24 | bluebrother | H10er: that's wrong. You neither have to rip to lossy nor do you (usually when ripping) want to work on the music file later |
| 23:44:31 | * | scorche|sh wonders why wavpack and not, say, FLAC |
| 23:44:42 | preglow | H10er: i transcode versions of the files to lossy vorbis for portable use |
| 23:44:51 | preglow | scorche|sh: wavpack compresses better, and i just plain like it better |
| 23:44:57 | H10er | oh, i get what you mean |
| 23:45:13 | H10er | why not rip the CD every time? |
| 23:45:16 | * | stripwax tries rockbox built with thumb instructions |
| 23:45:22 | preglow | H10er: ripping cds is time-consuming |
| 23:45:30 | stripwax | H10er - transcoding is fast |
| 23:45:39 | preglow | H10er: this way, i do it only once, and can change the format of my entire lossily compressed cd collection over night |
| 23:46:01 | stripwax | only probably is you need two copies of everything (lossless + lossy) |
| 23:46:09 | H10er | but you'd still need to rip aaallll your CDs to a lossless format first! |
| 23:46:13 | bluebrother | but disc space is cheap. |
| 23:46:17 | preglow | H10er: so given a couple of days, i can encode all my cds as he-aac, v4 lame mp3 and vorbis, then see which i like best |
| 23:46:36 | stripwax | ^probably^problem |
| 23:46:42 | stripwax | bluebrother - yeah, there is that. |
| 23:46:44 | H10er | oh, ok. I don't have all that disc space alltogether... |
| 23:46:51 | n1s | I use flac for listening at home and vorbis for portable but this is getting off topic :P |
| 23:46:57 | preglow | i got a 250 gig portable disk for this alone, it wasn't very expensive |
| 23:46:58 | bluebrother | H10er: you need to rip anyway. It doesn't make a difference to the ripping process what output format you're using |
| 23:47:02 | linuxstb | keanu: There's a limit of 32 characters for the icons filename - which excludes the ".rockbox/icons/" part |
| 23:47:17 | preglow | and 260++ cds only takes about 85 gigs |
| 23:48:19 | keanu | linuxstb, ah, ok. thanks |
| 23:48:20 | * | stripwax counts CDs .. nowhere near enough gigs.. |
| 23:48:43 | H10er | well, I have these huge complete works thingies for which you can't get the same format tags from CDDB (or FREEDB) and it's just a pain in the... neck |
| 23:49:04 | H10er | so you have to type everything in |
| 23:49:05 | linuxstb | That's why it makes sense to rip/tag once... |
| 23:49:13 | stripwax | heh, right |
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| 23:49:36 | H10er | anyway, I was also wondering, does rockbox have anything like SRS WOW and TruBASS? |
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| 23:49:46 | stripwax | H10er - those are proprietary, so no |
| 23:50:00 | H10er | 'like' them? |
| 23:50:14 | linuxstb | You mean RSR OWO? |
| 23:50:16 | stripwax | H10er - well, rockbox has crossfeed and eq, which is 'like' them, I suppose? |
| 23:50:21 | H10er | lol! |
| 23:50:22 | * | stripwax chuckles |
| 23:51:45 | H10er | sounds like a bad spin off! |
| 23:51:57 | ZincAlloy | I still don't get why anyone would need these anyway... |
| 23:52:13 | stripwax | some people actually use eq |
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| 23:52:19 | bluebrother | because it's called "wow"? |
| 23:52:39 | H10er | i think they sound good |
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| 23:52:54 | preglow | H10er: nothing quite like srs, no, that's a secret and proprietary algorithm |
| 23:53:09 | H10er | yeah, tell me about it. EQ on the H10 is a menace... |
| 23:53:09 | bluebrother | I thought that too ... before I started to _really_ listen to music |
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| 23:53:19 | preglow | H10er: our eq is pretty decent, though |
| 23:53:23 | preglow | or so people tell me... |
| 23:53:35 | H10er | i know. it's the player that's a potato |
| 23:54:08 | ZincAlloy | I haven't ever heard any consumer "sound enhancement tool" that really improved sound.. |
| 23:54:08 | bluebrother | or maybe the 48kbps wma is crap ;-) |
| 23:54:35 | H10er | i don't use WMA nor 48kbps |
| 23:55:06 | ZincAlloy | an eq is only as good as the person who's turning the knobs.. |
| 23:55:09 | H10er | you can't improve sound |
| 23:55:24 | gevaerts | yes you can. If it's bad, you can mute it ;) |
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| 23:55:37 | H10er | sure, but there seems to be a buffering problem |
| 23:55:46 | stripwax | with rockbox or the OF? |
| 23:56:16 | H10er | the playback has gaps when eq switched on and presets take forever to load |
| 23:56:36 | H10er | rockbox |
| 23:56:45 | bluebrother | that's a performance issue, not a buffering problem |
| 23:56:55 | bluebrother | the cpu simply isn't powerful enough. |
| 23:57:03 | H10er | i don't know, i;m not the expert! |
| 23:57:08 | ZincAlloy | a good mastering engineer can.. but that doesn't matter much when you mess up his product with SRSwow :) |
| 23:57:10 | H10er | pitty again! |
| 23:57:16 | bluebrother | check the FAQ ... |
| 23:57:20 | stripwax | can I use objdump to confirm that an object file has been built with thumb instructions? |
| 23:57:35 | bluebrother | try a file format that requires less CPU to decode. Or use less bands in the eq |
| 23:57:51 | H10er | ok |
| 23:57:57 | stripwax | H10er - I'm pretty sure vorbis uses a lot less CPU on H10 |
| 23:58:11 | H10er | ZincAlloy - not everyone is an audiophile! |
| 23:58:15 | bluebrother | and you can improve sound. For example, you can decrackle old vinly records. |
| 23:58:28 | bluebrother | you just can't make music out of crap, that's the problem |
| 23:58:37 | ZincAlloy | decrackling is not necessarily an improvement |
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