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#rockbox log for 2008-04-23

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00:00:32bluebrotherhmm, a graphical representation of those numbers would be nice.
00:00:44bluebrothercan twiki do such stuff automagically? I guess no ...
00:00:48w1ll14mi hate bad bit rates, i hate srs wow/trubass
00:00:57H10erso I have to chose the best codec to go with an eq? um.. I'll pass. I think I can live without an eq!
00:01:04w1ll14mthey are BAT
00:01:12w1ll14mi only use hw/sw eq
00:01:31ZincAlloygood headphones are better than any eq..
00:01:32H10eri hate bad bitrates too, but not srs wow
00:01:39w1ll14myou can do very much with rockbox of you combine them both
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00:02:19w1ll14mtrubass is nothing compared to what rockbox is capable of.. srs wow is just a type if wider stereo, which is also capale on most rockboxed players
00:02:25H10erwell, it would be hilarious to use huge professional headphones on a portable player. not good as far as bettery is concerned
00:02:31ZincAlloybut let's move this discussion to #rockbox-community
00:02:40w1ll14mi have sony mdr lp 90... not pro, but pretty nice
00:02:49H10erw11 14m - i don't disagree
00:02:56gevaertsH10er: I'm pretty sure that running the CPU at 100% for the eq is worse
00:03:28w1ll14mhmmm my ipod is running 100.8 MHz with a boost ratio of 30-40%
00:03:31H10ersure, that's why I'll just skip the eq part!
00:03:42ZincAlloygood headphones don't need to be huge and power hungry. for mobile use I really love my Koss Porta Pros
00:03:47w1ll14mwith heavy eq settings
00:03:50stripwaxw1ll14m - 100.8MHz ? I thought the max clock was 80MHz
00:03:59stripwax(maybe that's just 5g?)
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00:04:00w1ll14mi have a lucky chip
00:04:13w1ll14mit is 80 MHz according to specs...
00:04:28stripwaxw1ll14m - custom build?
00:04:30w1ll14mmy other 5g runs at max 96 MHz
00:04:35w1ll14mstripwax, yes
00:04:36stripwaxor is rockbox just misreporting
00:04:39stripwaxah. neato
00:04:55H10erreally? can you get the same results out of 'ear plugs' that you can out of the large ones (don't remember what they are called...)?
00:04:56w1ll14msome simple recalculation in system-pp502x.c
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00:05:18stripwaxw1ll14m - well.. any chance you've dabbled with CPUFREQ_SLEEP too?
00:05:20w1ll14mH10er, i can create a inhuman amount of bass with these
00:05:27w1ll14mnope, still default
00:05:30w1ll14monly normal and boost
00:06:00H10eri'll check them out, i'm really interested
00:06:15ZincAlloyforget about standard plugs. in ears can be pretty nice. but the larger on-ear type can be really good at decent prices
00:06:31w1ll14mH10er, i like a huge amount of bass, so strong they have in some cars with very expensive subwoofers
00:06:40H10erbut are they not power hungry?
00:06:51w1ll14mH10er, not that i noticed
00:07:07w1ll14mi've blewn the original ipod earpieces ;)
00:07:11w1ll14mwith my settings
00:07:33w1ll14mthese can keep up, so they might take a *little* more power
00:07:44w1ll14mbut i don't think it's much of a difference
00:08:33H10erwhat ipod do you use?
00:08:46w1ll14mipod video 30/60 (i have 2)
00:09:00w1ll14mand gigabeat s, it is still in development
00:09:55w1ll14manyways... i've got 6 hours of sleep left... so i'm off
00:10:06w1ll14mgnight all
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00:11:37w1ll14m|awsome ****tard here did the laundry right now.... makes sleeping difficould
00:12:02w1ll14m|awthus some washing machine will be busy for another hour or so....
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00:12:10w1ll14m|awanyways bye :)
00:12:10H10ertry some high bitrate music. it helps!
00:12:34w1ll14m|awi have a damaged cable on my earpices by sleeping with them
00:12:44w1ll14m|awand they cost 100 Euro's here
00:12:50w1ll14m|awso i won't do that again ;)
00:13:22w1ll14m|awbut they still work somehow
00:13:35H10erthat's why I use plugs for bed. 8 euros sony ones, sound just fine
00:13:37w1ll14m|awstill i need to fix the cable, or get some new ones soon....
00:13:45w1ll14m|awthen my ears hurt
00:13:59w1ll14m|awbecause of the quality and they are irritating my ears
00:14:10w1ll14m|awso no solution ;)
00:14:17H10eruse speakers!
00:14:19w1ll14m|awi have a laptop on all night with some music...
00:14:36w1ll14m|awbut the washing machine is right next to my bedroom door
00:14:46w1ll14m|awindeed... sucks
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00:15:03H10ermaybe you could use some real ear plugs!
00:15:15w1ll14m|awreal earplugs... i hate these
00:15:25w1ll14m|awi won't wake up with them
00:15:32H10erwaxy blobs.... disgusting!
00:15:44stripwaxInteresting. Building with thumb instructions seems to break the build horribly
00:15:51w1ll14m|awi'm having a hardtime to get to sleep, even harder to wake up... the reason for music while sleeping
00:16:04*homielowe points to -community
00:16:07stripwaxDoesn't get past the apple logo.. and the logo is corrupted..
00:16:19w1ll14m|awyou're screwed
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00:16:49*w1ll14m|aw closes his eyes now..... and .....
00:16:58H10eri'm sorry to butt in, but what are thumb instructions?
00:17:53stripwaxH10er -
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00:20:12H10erdoes anyone kow if i can successfully replace my player's 20gb drive with a 60gb one?
00:21:49stripwaxH10er -
00:22:14stripwaxalways check the wiki! :)
00:23:31stripwaxlooks like you'd need a 5mm zif40 replacement, think they're getting tricky to come by and probably don't go up to 60gb
00:24:08stripwaxoh, very same page mentions mk8022gaa 80gb drive
00:24:47H10erwow, thanks! but will rockbox boot from any of those drives?
00:25:04stripwaxdon't see why not
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00:25:47linuxstbstripwax: What are you trying to do? Build all of Rockbox in thumb mode?
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00:26:14stripwaxthought i'd see what happens..
00:26:19H10ereven off the 100gb one? i read on a forum it has been tried, and it doesn't boot from larger than 40gb
00:26:42linuxstbstripwax: You need to switch the CPU to thumb mode.
00:27:02stripwaxoh, that patch doesn't do that? heh
00:27:06H10ersomething to do with FAT32 only able to handle up to 32gb
00:27:15linuxstbWhat patch?
00:27:26stripwaxlinuxstb - huh? the one I linked above
00:27:44stripwaxH10er - errr.. .my ipod 60gb is fat32
00:27:49linuxstbstripwax: Sorry, I didn't read that far...
00:27:58stripwaxlinuxstb :
00:28:18BigBambiH10er: Windows XP and up refuse to format larger than 30 GB as FAT32, but that is a stupid windows thing
00:28:35BigBambiFAT32 goes MUCH bigger
00:28:39linuxstbstripwax: I guess it's just out of sync...
00:29:25H10erwell, I have windows xp, so i guess it's out of the question. Unless you can do it with Ubuntu
00:29:46BigBambiH10er: Or other windows utilities like fat32format or swissknife...
00:29:49bluebrotheryou can.
00:29:54BigBambiAnyway, this is of topic
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00:30:47H10erthanks thoug
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00:31:10stripwaxipod 5g OF seems to be able to fill its buffer, from a clean reboot, in about four seconds, in about five quick bursts. seems fast / rockbox seems slow
00:31:34stripwaxlinuxstb - guess so, although not clear which bits
00:31:40bluebrotherhmm, what's the deal with the H10EMP.mi4 file on some h10?
00:31:41linuxstbHow do you know it fills the buffer?
00:32:38stripwaxlinuxstb - weeeellll.. I don't. but I have the player up to my ear and I haven't heard it spin up yet. about fifteen mins and counting
00:33:17stripwax^spin up^spin up again
00:33:34pixelmabluebrother: what deal?
00:33:52bluebrotherpixelma: the h10 bootloader installation checks for h10.mi4 and h10emp.mi4.
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00:34:14bluebrotherbut I have no idea why it is that way −− and what's the difference between the two files
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00:34:54pixelmabluebrother: IIRC there are some so-called "pure" models which are a bit different, I believe it's explained in the manual bootloader installation instructions in the manual (and in the wiki)
00:35:08pixelmaonly 5/6GB ones, I think
00:35:17bluebrotherok, will check that.
00:36:05*pixelma digs out her old started installation instructions info collection (for an overhaul) :\
00:40:02bluebrotherhmm, it's indeed the pure models.
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01:15:00LeperkawnDoes the 5g use a ZIF-40 connection for the hdd?
01:17:53GBeatHey, I checked the MpegPlayer wiki first, but is there a reason why my video's audio doesn't match up with audio on the gigabeat f40 when it is in sync on the computer?
01:20:20GBeatI am using the current build, and all of these movies were working until I updated my build from a build several months old today
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01:24:01GBeatFixed, needed to turn on limit frames
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01:26:24midgeyBagder: around?
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01:28:52DerPapstmidgey: 1:30am i doubt it :-P
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01:31:45midgeydamn timezones
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02:41:04Pysthey guys. i need a little help. i'm trying to be a first time rockbox user. ive got a sansa c250 but it's not being assigned a drive letter when it's connected. any ideas ?
02:41:56pixelmaPyst: can you look up the exact version of the sansa firmware?
02:42:07Pystyeah one sec
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02:43:15pixelmaok, then you should have a "USB" setting in the Settings menu, set that to MSC and you'll get a drive letter
02:43:20Pystits showing up in explorer but its not assigned a letter
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02:44:26Pystahh fantastic
02:44:39Pystthx pixelma much appreciated
02:44:49Pysthave a good one
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02:46:42LambdaCalculus37Damn, my Gigabeat S is still not responding.
02:49:54alienbiker99=(. no charging screen still?
02:51:20LambdaCalculus37Have you had this sort of situation happen to you with yours, alienbiker99?
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02:53:37alienbiker99i think it happend once. i kept switching the battery switch on and off and kept trying the charger when the battery was set on.
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02:55:16LambdaCalculus37How long did it take for your Gigabeat to snap back onto this plane of existence?
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02:56:31alienbiker99it was less than 5 minutes
02:57:55*LambdaCalculus37 keeps trying
02:59:14LambdaCalculus37Still not working.
02:59:31LambdaCalculus37I left it on the charger only until the battery was fully charged.
02:59:55LambdaCalculus37Unless this battery is finally giving out.
03:00:15alienbiker99thats wierd that its not turning on with the charger though
03:01:09LambdaCalculus37I'm at a loss here. Either the battery is bad, in which case I have to replace it, or something else more severe is wrong with my Gigabeat.
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03:03:33ByronDoes the Sansa support text-to-speech or spoken menus?
03:03:38Byronwith RockBox?
03:04:15Shaidyou need a VOICE file
03:04:39ByronOkay, I know about those.
03:05:15ByronI am buying one for my girlfriend, we are both blind and I had Rockbox on my Archos Studio 20 and Ondio and wanted to make sure the same speech features worked on the Sansa.
03:05:48ShaidIt does, yes.
03:06:13ByronThanks so much
03:06:16ByronI appreaciate it
03:06:39ByronI know I could have read the website and found out but her Birthday is the 2nd and I am shopping last minute.
03:06:58Byronso I figured I'd find out faster here.
03:07:25advcomp2019Byron, be careful that there is v2s out
03:07:45LambdaCalculus37Yes, so your best bet is to shop on eBay for a Sansa.
03:07:57ByronI wish there was a website that would compare prices for a product but only in retail stores... there are plenty of online price comparison sites
03:08:10Byronoh, there is a new sansa out there that won't work?
03:08:38LambdaCalculus37Byron: Yes. The hardware is completely different, and we haven't got a new port started for it yet.
03:09:01Byrondo they look the same on the outside
03:09:15advcomp2019yes they do look the same
03:09:15LambdaCalculus37They do. That's what is tricky about it.
03:09:39Byrondoes the box say if it's v2s?
03:09:48LambdaCalculus37The only way to know for sure is to ask someone to look for a "v2" on the bottom of the case, or read the firmware version number.
03:10:14Byronthe case meaning the machine itself or the box it comes in?
03:10:15LambdaCalculus37A v2 Sansa will have a version 03.XX.XX firmware; whereas a v1 will have a version 01.XX.XX firmware.
03:10:29LambdaCalculus37The Sansa itself.
03:10:50advcomp2019the best way is with the firmware version tho
03:10:56LambdaCalculus37If you buy on eBay, ask the seller to read the firmware version for you.
03:11:01ByronI am going to have to buy it at a store as I'm doing this last minute and there's no telling if it'll ship here in time for my trip to Des Moines
03:11:17advcomp2019Byron, you in ds moines?
03:11:22Byronis there a reccomended store that would have older ones and how long as v2 been out?
03:11:23LambdaCalculus37All right. Good luck in landing a v1.
03:11:29ByronI'm in Chicago
03:11:44Byronbut my girlfriend is going to the Department of the Blind in Des Moines
03:12:20Byronand I'm taking MegaBus down there to visit her on the 2nd / 3rd
03:12:29advcomp2019Byron, i have a v1 and i live close enough to des moines tho
03:12:49ByronOh, really?
03:12:56LambdaCalculus37alienbiker99: Curious... do you leave your Gigabeat S on a charger overnight?
03:13:09alienbiker99yeah all the time
03:13:19LambdaCalculus37And it does it no harm?
03:13:36alienbiker99nothing that i notice
03:13:54ByronIf your willing to either ship it to Chicago within the next day or so, or are willing to bring it to the Greyhound on the 2nd I'd buy it from you, advcomp2019
03:14:38LambdaCalculus37Guess I may try that.
03:14:48*LambdaCalculus37 crosses his fingers and hopes it works
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03:15:14ByronI'd be scared to try and get it on ebay because the seller might wait a week to ship it, sometimes Ebay purchases come 30 days after I won them.
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03:17:47advcomp2019Byron, yea.. by the way mine is an e280R if you wanted to know
03:18:11Byronwhat does that mean? I only just started researching this today.
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03:20:24advcomp2019mine is the 8gb e200 series basically
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03:24:38Byronah, that's great!
03:25:02Byronif you private me your info... paypal or whatever... we can work something out
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03:28:10BHXCan anyone help with an iPod 80 issue?
03:29:44advcomp2019Byron, you got my private message?
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03:44:47krazykitBHX, just ask your question
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04:01:24BHXsorry, wasn't paying attention
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04:01:38BHXis there any way to fix corrupt sectors on an iPod?
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04:22:45cool_walking_Not "fix", but mark them as bad so that they don't get written to: chkdsk on windows, or fsck.vfat on Linux.
04:30:04BHXare the commands for fsck the same as mkfs?
04:31:15cool_walking_ah what? those programs do different things
04:31:45cool_walking_fsck.vfat -at /dev/blah should do you
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04:32:24cool_walking_Make sure it's not mounted at the time, and you'll probably need to be root.
04:33:43BHXcool thanks
04:33:59BHXand that'll just mark the bad sectors as corrupt?
04:34:14cool_walking_err actually it'll also try to fix filesystem issues
04:34:38cool_walking_just read the fsck.vfat manpage
04:38:31BHXthanks :)
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05:14:12PDF_Formatis anyone here?
05:14:41PDF_Formati just registered to the wiki, and it informs me that to get permission to edit the wiki i have to come to this channel and ask permission, so here i am, asking :)
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05:15:58PDF_Formati registered as DavidDineenPorter
05:16:16JdGordonhang on...
05:16:18PDF_Formati will patiently sit in channel, but whomever is in charge please drop me a PM if possible later
05:16:21PDF_Formatoh hi
05:18:49PDF_FormatI'm going to update the NSF codec page. The NSF playback routine on rockbox doesn't support the extended sound channels of various MMC chips and famicom disk system, so i felt that shoul dbe included.
05:18:56PDF_Formatwould you object to that?
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05:23:34LloreanFactual, relevant information is always welcome. Please, check after you post it (or better yet, use the preview function) to make sure the formatting doesn't accidentally end up all weird.
05:23:48LloreanTWiki isn't everyone's bailiwick and sometimes you can end up with unexpected results. :)
05:29:00PDF_Formathere is my edit
05:29:13PDF_Formatit looks good in my browser, but if there's a problem, let me know
05:30:14krazykitlooks fine here :)
05:30:25PDF_Formati aim to please, and i hope that someone from the NESDEV of 2a03 communities takes it upon themself to help provide complete NSF emulation for rockbox.. that would REALLY be a treat :)
05:30:27LloreanLooks fine.
05:30:59PDF_Formatas it is now, being able to play the american soundtracks is also great.. but some of those extended channel soundtracks are.. you kow.. my favourites :)
05:31:14PDF_Formathave a good night
05:31:19PDF_Formatif its night where youa re
05:31:25PDF_Formatand a good morning if its morning where you are
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05:36:52webguesthello. anyone here using kugel build on e200?
05:37:17krazykitwebguest, that build is unsupported here.
05:37:36krazykitif you want support, you need to use the latest official build from the homepage.
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05:39:18Administrator_hello. anyone here using kugel build on e200?
05:39:42scorcheunsupported builds are...unsupported...
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05:40:44Guest55I realize they are it againt the rules to discuss them with other people using them though?
05:41:32LloreanThis channel is on-topic for the official version of Rockbox.
05:41:33LloreanSo yes.
05:41:48Guest55Is there a channel for unsupported builds?
05:41:50LloreanWe ask that you take any problems with other people's builds to the people who provide them for you.
05:43:02Guest55ok, can I ask this then...can I just delete the .rockbox folder and drop the official build back on?
05:43:15Guest55to revert back that is.
05:43:51Guest55are all patches for rockbox unsupported?
05:44:08LloreanYes. When something becomes supported, it gets included.
05:44:17LloreanSo it's no longer a patch at that point.
05:44:36Guest55I see, thanks.
05:44:37scorchealthough development talk of patches is allowed
05:45:19scorcheat the point of that build though, that is far beyond just "a patch"
05:45:48LloreanYes, if you're trying to work with the patch itself, or improve on it, or otherwise modify for yourself from the original official source, that's relevant. But we don't provide support for problems you have with the build after the compile. Patches should be tested individually, and problems with them taken up with the developer(s) interested/working on that one patch.
05:47:00Guest55And there is just one supported build, nothing like stable, testing, unstable?
05:47:22LloreanConsider the one supported build "unstable" :)
05:47:32LloreanThere is no current Stable / Release version
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06:05:19JdGordonfs#5407 was implemented already wasnt it? (battery status in usb mode)
06:07:27LloreanI *think* so
06:08:43*JdGordon found his h300
06:08:46JdGordonlooks like it has been
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06:20:58toffe82jhMikeS: ping
06:30:44Diabolic-DestinyI got a little question,
06:31:03Diabolic-Destinymy database has multiple entires of the same song
06:31:20Diabolic-Destinyfor example Adams Apple - Blink 182 is listed like 5 times
06:32:19LloreanHave you checked their properties to make sure there's not more than one of the file? (Often in the recycle bin)
06:33:35Diabolic-Destinyhow do i do that?
06:34:26Diabolic-DestinyThere is also a lenghty list of songs which are <untagged> yet all my songs have a minium Track tag
06:34:35LloreanWhat did you use to tag them?
06:34:45LloreanAnd I believe properties is in the context menu.
06:35:34LloreanOh, apparently not in the database.
06:35:46Diabolic-DestinyI used MediaMonkey to tag
06:36:06LloreanIt looks like you'll have to insert all the duplicates into a playlist, then go to the playlist viewer. From there you can change it to show the full path, and see if the paths are identical
06:36:31LloreanDiabolic-Destiny: <untagged> will be for the category you're in. So if you're in Album, if they don't have an Album tag, they'll be under <untagged> there
06:37:22Diabolic-Destinyyes but the category im in is always Tracks hence my question, as for the duplicates when i go to G:\MUSIC\Blink-182\Enema of the State there is no duplicate song
06:37:49LloreanThat's not what I asked you to do, though
06:38:08LloreanThe duplicate could be in the hidden recycle bin, or elsewhere.
06:38:15Diabolic-Destinyi'll try what you suggested, can you walk me through as to how to do that
06:38:22Diabolic-Destinyhow do i create a playlist?
06:38:40LloreanIn the context menu, there's an option: "insert"
06:38:55LloreanJust highlight each song you want to add, and choose it. The first song you do this to will start playback if music isn't already playing.
06:39:44Diabolic-Destinyk so the song is playing, how do i add to playlist?
06:40:22LloreanGo to each song, move the selector over the song, go to the context menu, and choose insert... like i just said.
06:40:50LloreanOn most players the context menu is reached by a long press on select.
06:41:07LloreanAnd you need to do this for each of the duplicates.
06:41:38Diabolic-Destinyoh thats the context menu, k i will try that
06:41:46Diabolic-Destinyas for the <untagged> under tracks any idea?
06:42:12LloreanWhat format are their tags in?
06:42:43Diabolic-Destinyabout 95% sure its ie3v2
06:42:59LloreanThen I'd double-check with another tagging program.
06:43:15LloreanGenerally speaking, any time someone's had a similar problem they've found out that it's been a problem with their tags.
06:43:41LloreanIf you verify them, file a bug report and maybe an expert can contact you to have a look at one of your problem files.
06:43:42Diabolic-Destinyhmm, maybe these songs aren't in my MediaMonkey Database
06:43:53Diabolic-Destinybecause all those are tagged
06:44:21LloreanI don't know about MediaMonkey
06:44:33LloreanI do know that some songs will let you add information to the database without syncing it to the file tags.
06:44:45advcomp2019Diabolic-Destiny, try MP3Tag.. i use that and found a few issues with my music
06:45:09Diabolic-DestinyYea i've used it never liked it, i found MM much easier due to the scripts it has
06:45:15*Llorean has never, ever had a tag not show up in Rockbox, for what it's worth.
06:45:30Diabolic-DestinyLlorean: what do i do after creating playlist
06:45:46Diabolic-Destinyhow do i get it to show path?
06:46:13LloreanGo to the Playlist->View current playlist option from the main menu
06:46:34LloreanThen, when you're looking at the playlist, press the button for the menu, choose "track display" and then have it show the full path
06:47:34Diabolic-Destinysorry whats the menu button for sansa
06:47:44LloreanDon't know.
06:47:52LloreanCheck the Rockbox manual for the playlist viewer controls
06:48:32LloreanPlease try to use real words here. We ask that you do this so that the channel is usable for non-native speakers, and for people with screen readers.
06:49:35Diabolic-DestinyOh, okay sorry about that
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06:50:15Diabolic-Destinystrange when I go to full path it shows the same path for the duplicates
06:50:57LloreanWell, assuming you did everything right, then you probably should just re-initialize the database and see if that clears them up
06:51:35LloreanInitialize Now is an option in the context menu on "Database" in the main menu
06:51:43Diabolic-Destinyokay doing that now, one question how long does this initialize take
06:52:02Diabolic-Destinywell, that fixed it
06:52:03LloreanIt depends on too many things to really be able to guess well.
06:52:04Diabolic-Destinythank you good sir
06:53:40Diabolic-Destinyum now im getting a random no codec for: /MUSIC/Artist/Album/title.MP3
06:53:53Diabolic-Destinywith the artist/album/title changing
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06:54:13Diabolic-Destinylet me try a reboot
06:55:07Diabolic-Destinyokay doing so led to duplicates of each son
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06:55:39Diabolic-Destinyi'll try the reinitilize thing again
06:57:32Diabolic-Destinynow when trying to play <untagged> i get Data abort at 000082bc (0)
06:57:39Diabolic-Destinyother than that everything seems fine
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07:26:35pondlifepreglow: Regarding merging the pcf50605/50606 code - are you aware oif - it might not help, but I can confirm the patch works on H300.
07:29:28Lloreanpondlife: When the clock is unset, the Date in the time/date screen will show the date of your build (so you don't have to scroll as far to get forward to "today")
07:29:40LloreanThis may relate to your comment on the task re "the date is correct" if you're a frequent user of up to date builds.
07:30:11pondlifeLlorean: What are you referring to?
07:30:35LloreanIn your last comment on that flyspray task you said the time shows as unset, but the date is correct.
07:30:53pondlifeAh, I see.
07:30:55LloreanI was trying to mention that when the date is unset, it may appear correct if the date is still the same as the day the build was compiled.
07:31:04pondlifeSo the date is also unset....
07:31:08LloreanVery probably
07:31:26pondlifeWhy do we do that? Not very logical, IMHO
07:32:14LloreanHow do you mean?
07:32:32pondlifeI'd rather know my date is unset..
07:32:42pondlife(on an RTC target, at least)
07:32:49LloreanThe date will still be unset anywhere else
07:32:53pondlifeAh, ok.
07:33:00LloreanJust upon entry of that screen is it set to the build date.
07:33:02LloreanIf unset.
07:33:15pondlifeSorry, just woke up.. it's 6am here.
07:33:20LloreanNo worries.
07:33:32LloreanI wasn't exactly clear that it was entering the screen where this happens (afaik)
07:33:56pondlifeI've put a comment on.
07:34:38*Llorean has no X5/M5/H300, so really has no other comment. :)
07:34:46pondlifeHaven't tried that patch in quite a while to be honest, just thought it might be something shotofadds and/or preglow should be aware of, in case they weren't.
07:35:38LloreanProbably so
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07:47:37pondlifeLlorean: You're not from Hoston, are you? ;-)
07:48:18LloreanI'm now living fairly near Houston, yes.
07:49:20LloreanI suppose I ought to update my location on Rasher's map at some point.
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08:57:33rp-Hi! I good need some testers for FS #8925, you need to have a player with a color lcd.
08:57:49rp--good +could
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10:15:58preglowpondlife: was aware of it indeed
10:16:12pondlifeOK, no problem
10:16:13preglowi'm a bit puzzled why that hasn't been commited yet
10:16:28pondlifeBecause it loses the date/time occasionally?
10:16:53pondlifeAlso because the 505/506 code could be shared more?
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10:20:31preglowit should indeed
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10:27:07preglowwould be nice to find out what the actual differences between the two are, though
10:29:54amiconnJust check the datasheet....
10:29:58preglowi did
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10:30:19preglowthe two even seem to have the same datasheet, but i didn't find any mention on differences
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10:31:15amiconnIt is
10:32:19amiconnpage 8
10:33:21preglowthat looks quite good for merging the drivers
10:33:34preglowtargets shouldn't access the parts that their pcf doesn't have anyway
10:36:18preglowshould i2c access always disable interrupts?
10:37:27gevaertsActually, speaking of VS, does its editor have something like vim's %, which jumps to matching braces ?
10:37:38*gevaerts goes back to -community...
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10:47:04amiconnpreglow: No, only on targets where it's necessary (i.e. where the pcf must be read from within isr(s))
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10:48:58preglowi wonder why the 50606 rtc driver disables interrupts
10:51:11pondlifeI wonder if the H300 RTC being lost was already fixed -;revision=15122
10:51:33pondlifeI guess I should test it again
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11:25:56XavierGrpondlife: actually yeah it was waiting someone to combine them and clean it up regarding the H300 rtc
11:26:20XavierGrI didn't bother much with it since I couldn't make it loose the date/time (didn't try very hard though)
11:26:44XavierGralso there was no point at the time because of old bootlaoders
11:27:28XavierGrthough still RTC can't work on H300 because the official bootloader doesn't support it
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11:29:25preglowwhat about x5?
11:30:06XavierGrI am not sure if the bootloader supports it
11:30:47XavierGrat least the official one
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12:10:51JdGordonamiconn: I dont suppose youve drawn up your thoughts for the viewported quickscreen have yoiu?
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12:14:05mrkikoAniway I'm happy I can communicate one fact to the community - disabling voice I don't have any crash in the file browser :)
12:14:24mrkikoAniway, playback crashes some times with autochange dir enabled and with a fast "prev" sequence back
12:15:00Lloreanmrkiko: With what SVN revision?
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12:18:47mrkikor17209 | rob | 2008-04-21 22:16:18 +0200 (Mon, 21 Apr 2008) | 1 line
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12:19:56LloreanWhere did you paste that from?
12:20:03LloreanAre you compiling your own build?
12:20:13mrkikoYes, I'm compiling myself
12:20:16mrkikofrom the svn log
12:20:25LloreanDoes your build have any patches?
12:20:39mrkikoI don't ever know what patches I can appy to a build :)
12:20:45LloreanWhy don't you use the official SVN build then?
12:21:44mrkikoFor no particular reason: may be for my hope to have the bug which may freeze my player the day starting when i build.
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12:22:26Lloreanmrkiko: When you say "playback crash", what exactly do you mean happens?
12:23:16mrkikoThe song is going: I press several time the "previous track" key.
12:23:25mrkikothe play stops playing and the disk is going...
12:23:46mrkikoat this point, all freezes - the disk remains active and the player should be reset...
12:24:16LloreanDo you know if there's an error message?
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12:24:41mrkikoI know that no error message is printed.
12:25:21LloreanWhat does display on the screen then? Does the elapsed time cease progressing? Does the backlight continue to function or not?
12:25:51mrkikoI hould inform myself.
12:26:03mrkikothe last time the person said that "nothing is happening"
12:26:15mrkikobut I forgot to ask exactly what was happening
12:27:20mrkikoI would like to use even another rockboxable player just to see if it's a target problem or not.
12:27:45mrkikoIt seems I'm the only one having his bug
12:28:46LloreanWhich suggests it's one of three things: Your player, your songs, or your build environment. The first thing I would do is start downloading the precompiled build, and see if it still happens. Least work.
12:29:24mrkikoMy songs are typically
12:29:39mrkikohigh quality (320 kbps, cause I have a sensible pair of hearts)
12:29:55mrkikoand in many cases I have various songs with different bitrates
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12:33:43mrkikotyfoo: ?
12:34:27preglowanyone know who maintains/maintained the vmware image?
12:34:33tyfooive just one question. i would like to patch the milkmod to play MOD files on my ipod mini 2nd gen. i found a howto (patchig) but i cant find any CSV and i dont know hot to compile a rockbox biuld that i can use on my ipod
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12:35:04tyfooisnt there any plugin like *.rock ?
12:35:36Lloreanpreglow: It's been updated by different people each time I think?
12:35:43LloreanI think scorche was the latest.
12:35:59GodEaterI think so too
12:36:01Lloreantyfoo: have you read the page called SimpleGuideToCompiling?
12:36:24tyfoono, ill look for. but first i need the newest CVS i think
12:36:38LloreanWe use SVN.
12:36:48LloreanIf you read that page, you'll find out a lot more, including how to download the source code.
12:37:05tyfoodo u mean this? - i downloaded the file, but i dont understand anything i saw inside
12:37:25tyfoomuch work just for playing a MOD file. but okay...
12:37:27Lloreantyfoo: I mean "read the SimpleGuideToCompiling page"
12:37:37LloreanYou aren't going to figure things out blindly.
12:37:40gevaertstyfoo: please use real english words
12:38:00tyfoosorry, my english isn that good
12:38:30gevaertstyfoo: I mean, don't use "u" or "k".
12:38:48mrkiko is a 7z file
12:38:52mrkikoyou should uncompress it
12:38:54mrkikoand the nread the doc
12:39:14mrkiko(the one you find in the wiki)
12:39:16Lloreanmrkiko: Actually, he'd be much better off downloading directly from SVn.
12:39:24LloreanWhich is why I recommended he read the page first.
12:39:29tyfooyes, I uncompressed it. is this the file i need for applying a *.patch file?
12:39:44pixelmatyfoo: the page explains a lot. Regarding playing mod you could also try the mod codec patch instead ( - but you need to be able to compile too
12:39:50tyfooI am still searching for the page...
12:40:06Lloreantyfoo: It's in the wiki. Just type SimpleGuideToCompiling in the go to box.
12:40:15preglowperhaps i should just bloody install cygwin...
12:40:16tyfoookay, ill try
12:40:29tyfooi already installed cygwin
12:40:31Lloreanpreglow: Sure, why not. It only takes 3 times as long. :-P
12:40:39preglowLlorean: yeah, and is slow and ugly
12:41:02*Llorean prefers "ssh into a linux box over there" to any of the suggested methods.
12:41:23preglowit's such a goddamn bother to transfer builds all the time when coding
12:42:04rp-preglow: slow maybe, but you can have it really pretty if you install an ssh server and use putty as console
12:42:10LloreanYou could mount a samba share, and store the source on it?
12:42:31preglowi just discovered i can edit the vmwave sources with gvim over samba
12:42:33preglowso i'll just stick to this
12:43:23*mrkiko feels happy he is using Linux
12:43:31mrkikoI should escape...
12:43:44preglowi ordinarily use linux, but not nwo
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12:46:11tyfooif i download the daily build from here ( ill get a precompiled ".rockbox"-folder *confused*
12:46:34preglowwhy is that confusing?
12:47:09tyfooi think i need the sourcecode to modify with the .patch-file and compiling
12:47:55tyfooim following a tutorial and he is applying the patch-file directly to the sourcecode
12:48:27LloreanRead all the text.
12:48:37LloreanIt tells you about the difference between the daily and bleeding edge source code...
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12:49:05tyfooit seems to be very difficult to play a MOD-file :S
12:49:27GodEaterunless Bagder fixed it yet, the .7z source tarball is quite a way behind svn now
12:50:31GodEaterand it doesn't look fixed yet to me
12:52:14tyfooisn't there any "copy-to-the-rockboxfolder-and-use" file (like *.rock) to play a MOD or a MIDI file?
12:52:30Llorean.rock files *have* to be compiled specifically for different players.
12:52:39LloreanAnd they have to match the version of Rockbox on the player in many cases.
12:52:39tyfooah i understand
12:53:27tyfooso i think i have to wait untile the developers include the codec into rockbox. im not able to do so.
12:53:43preglowhopefully won't be long
12:53:50pixelmabut you can already play midi files - the midiplay plugin is already included. Depending on your player it might not work that well though
12:54:06tyfooi would like to test this *search*
12:56:30pixelmatyfoo: except you have one of the old Archos players
12:57:04*Llorean thought he said he had a mini.
12:57:11tyfooyes, 2nd gen
12:57:39tyfooi found the "MikMod" and the sourcecode of the midiplay-plugin only.
13:00:02tyfooah, its name sould be "midplay", but i only find forums, where people told they like midplay. but how to get it now?
13:00:27pixelmatry the wiki "search" link which is left of the "go" box in the wiki...
13:00:49LloreanIt is midiplay, and it's included.
13:01:22LloreanBut you still need to set install a few extra files it needs, which are covered in the wiki.
13:01:36*Llorean thinks it's the SoundCodecs page.
13:01:46tyfooif i dont have to patch and compile, it would be no problem
13:02:40pixelmaLlorean: ? PluginMidiPlay - it's not a codec yet
13:03:10*DerPapst can't wait to try out midi on the beast :-)
13:03:54tyfoookay, i found. but (if i understand correctly) i have to compile. and if i have to compile, i should use MikMod instead of midiplay, because it plays more formats?
13:04:05Lloreanpixelma: Yes, but it's still linked to from the SoundCodecs page. Which is where the patchset used to live (apparently not any more)
13:04:13tyfooDerPapst: are u german?
13:04:22Lloreantyfoo: Remember, please don't use "u"
13:04:28Lloreantyfoo: You do not have to compile.
13:04:31tyfooah okay, thank you
13:04:37pixelmatyfoo: the Ipods are one of those that don't play midi too well though, but you might have luck with relative simple midis (few instruments)
13:05:00DerPapstjust browse your ipod for the midi and click on it in the filebrwoser
13:05:08LloreanDerPapst: You need the patchset
13:05:19pixelmaLlorean: ah, didn't know that
13:05:43DerPapstLlorean: true.. i've installed them everywhere so i forgot :-P
13:06:34tyfooDerPapst: i'm german too, may you help me in german in a private channel? i want to get this ready today :D
13:07:08tyfoohmm, i need a midi patchset including the instruments.
13:08:54Lloreantyfoo: The PluginMidiPlay page should have all the info you need.
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13:13:06tyfooits working, but i get "Buffer miss"-errors and it sounds terrible. i tested 10 different midi-files.
13:14:05DerPapsttyfoo: maybe the midi file is too complex
13:14:29Lloreantyfoo: As was mentioned, iPods are quite slow and so most midis do not play well.
13:14:42LloreanIt still needs a lot of work
13:14:57tyfoothe last file i got this error had 10 channels. is that really to much?
13:15:46LloreanIf you get buffer misses, it's too much.
13:16:24tyfoookay hmm.... * deleting patchset* - maybe XMs or MODs can be played without errors.
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13:56:07B4gderthe entire Swedish trio is officially going to devcon
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14:03:11peturB4gder: that is nice to hear
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14:05:08B4gderwe should redo that list of names in the wiki page to become people who intend to show up
14:06:50*petur goes to clean it up
14:11:28peturok, I already listed the people who I'm pretty sure want to come, the rest should move themselves to the list
14:11:41*petur sees Zagor is not listed
14:12:35B4gderyeah, and it'll help if everyone will also list their arrival/departure info at least roughly once that starts to get known
14:12:55peturshall I add Zagor?
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14:13:05B4gderit's good to know when the people need to start worrying about people who've got lost ;-)
14:13:17*B4gder does not in anyway think of lostlogic and Cassandra :-)
14:13:27B4gderyes do that
14:19:01B4gderso 10 people atm
14:20:19peturI think Maurus will also come knowing he has a lift ;)
14:21:01B4gderwell, I assume the number will raise somewhat more when people start to edit this
14:21:32peturI now added the people who told here they will come, I assume they will remove themselves if I made an error
14:22:47*petur thinks two 6-people rooms for sleeping would be great ;)
14:23:33peturunless you can rent houses in Berlin for the weekend - in Belgium it is called 'Gîtes'
14:25:09B4gderwe're also discussing to sponsor all (devs) attending from the fund with some amount
14:25:15B4gderlike last year
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14:25:50*JdGordon puts his name down for a tshirt.. even if he cant make either of the cons
14:25:52B4gderand we're trying to decide what kind of shirt we want! ;-)
14:26:10pondlifeBlack - Cabbie2 style
14:26:28pondlifeWith album art, natch
14:27:10pondlifeI want to preserve the retro/rarity value of my Rockbox-blue shirt... :)
14:27:21peturI would not object to that amount being variable (ie making it depending on your actual cost). If we come by car with three people,we'll be pretty cheap ;)
14:27:44B4gderpetur: yes, I thought about that too
14:27:57*gevaerts agrees
14:28:09*pondlife is really wanting to do DevCon.... sure you can't move the date...? :/
14:28:09*petur wonders which t-shirts to take to devcon: last years, the year before that or the gsoc07 ;)
14:28:29JdGordonumm... alll 3?
14:28:37*gevaerts doesn't have that kind of choice
14:28:38JdGordonyou dont have to be an unwashed geek :p
14:28:50peturtaking all three would mean less room for beer in the car :p
14:29:01JdGordonfair point :D
14:29:07pondlifeUnless perhaps you presoaked them
14:29:16pondlifei.e. both shirt and beer carrier
14:30:03*petur hates being dirty but is not the clean freak type that showers 1+ times a day. Nature deserves some rest too
14:30:14B4gderRockbox beer glasses would be fun, but awkward to bring
14:30:17JdGordonB4gder: is the committee going to be discussed again or left for devcon?
14:30:30B4gderI don't know, it feels like perhaps devcon material
14:30:32pondlifeAnyway, I'm getting really fed up with the mere existence of daily builds
14:30:35peturwould be nice topic for devcon
14:30:51*petur feels slow
14:39:59*pixelma would only advise against orange shirts - that colour is assigned to the sanitation department here :)
14:40:27*gevaerts proposes to print the manual on the shirts
14:41:35gevaertsMaybe a screenshot of 1drockblox on the back :)
14:42:23peturmaybe a group pic of all supported targets ;)
14:42:41peturand some text: Free Your Player!
14:42:59*gevaerts points at the word "supported", and looks at pixelma
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14:51:54qwmhello Sjano
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14:52:20peturhow nice of qwm ;)
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15:36:10MartinRDoes anyone like to have a look at my patch in FS #8663?
15:36:43LambdaCalculus37MartinR: Let me take a look.
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15:59:54Sjanohow do i edit tags on music on rocketbox?
16:00:11peturyou can't, use a pc
16:00:38peturand it is called 'rockbox' ;)
16:01:51*DerPapst prefers rocketbox and suggests to rename the project
16:01:56Sjanobut mine finds over 9000 music files, and i only got 6000
16:02:19DerPapstSjano: what player do you have?
16:02:32DerPapstgot any apple games installed?
16:02:35Sjanoit finds music i've deleted
16:02:39Sjanohmm.. no
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16:02:49alienbiker99the music wasnt actually deleted
16:02:56DerPapstthen you didn't delete then "correctly"
16:03:30Sjanotheir atleast not-viewable-from-explorer deleted
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16:03:49DerPapstdid you use itunes to delete them?
16:05:24Sjanoyes, and other ipod programs
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16:06:08DerPapstthen i guess there still in /iPod_Control/Music/Fxx/yyyy.zzz :-P
16:06:08Sjanolike sharepod and yamipod
16:06:44SjanoH:\iPod_Control\Music\ contains 6300, rockbox finds around 9000...
16:07:15DerPapstcan you play the one you've deleted?
16:07:51alienbiker99i dont remember if there is a folder inside music that has the deleted files, but try looking for it
16:08:01scorchepreglow: far as the main image, i did the past couple ones....a new image is on my list though (one that will be a complete, updated re-do instead of a hack upon existing ones)
16:08:04DerPapstmaybe the tools yo used moved them somewhere else instead of fully deleting them
16:10:13preglowscorche: would be cool with a recentish distro :)
16:10:21preglowamiconn: are 1 and 2gs the only ipods with no pcf?
16:10:26scorchepreglow: dont enjoy 2.4? ;)
16:10:39preglowscorche: it's more the fact that all repos are broken since stable is now etch is getting ancient...
16:11:27gevaertsSjano: from the context menu while playing, you can find out the path to the current file
16:12:18*DerPapst wonders what happens if he tries to draw outside of a viewport...
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16:12:53*DerPapst expects fancy explosions and stuff
16:13:50*petur expects clipping
16:13:58*LambdaCalculus37 expects the tearing of the fabric of space and time
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16:15:11LambdaCalculus37petur: Hey, I wasn't done reading that! :P
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16:16:01LambdaCalculus37DerPapst: In all seriousness, expect clipping.
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16:17:13*petur wants to change the panic handler into a BSOD :)
16:17:14DerPapstyep.. gets cut off
16:17:30DerPapstthat would be cool :-D
16:19:39LambdaCalculus37petur: Why not something cool, like a Guru Meditation or a Sad Rockbox? :)
16:20:16peturbecause it still is a panic handler...
16:25:13preglowsad rockbox :P
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16:26:04alienbiker99will viewports on the playback control menus be able to make it so that you can browse files/database while still in the plugin?
16:27:18DerPapstno. this just that you can put the playback control menu like it is in jewels or solitare in a viewport.
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16:47:26preglowamiconn: the pp i2c driver seems to disable interrupts on the driver level, should this be moved to only happen in the places where we know it matters?
16:50:50BHSPitMonkeyBagder, haha
16:51:04BHSPitMonkeyBagder, is the exclamation point in the subject really necessary? :P
16:59:45DerPapstheh... just noticed
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17:09:03CPrompt^hello all. I have a question about the PictureFlow" plugin. I have an iPod Video 30gb running version r16172-080126
17:09:28CPrompt^i put the cover.bmp into the folder and during playing of the album, the cover shows fine
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17:09:29DerPapstyou should really update
17:09:44CPrompt^but in PictureFlow only some of the albums show
17:09:46DerPapstmaybe the problem is fixed already
17:10:01CPrompt^gotcha. Let me update and see if that does it.
17:10:09DerPapstyou are like 1000 revisions behind
17:10:45CPrompt^didn't know that i was that far behind. WOW
17:11:08LambdaCalculus37It's always wise to stay as up to date as possible, especially when asking for support.
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17:11:32CPrompt^updating Database now
17:12:43LambdaCalculus37While we're on the subject of PictureFlow, I have noticed a bit of an issue with it: on my iPod video, cover art will appear associated to albums that have no album art included.
17:13:42CPrompt^yeah. same deal
17:13:48CPrompt^actually I lost a couple that were working
17:14:52LambdaCalculus37My fix was to just drop a generic "NO ALBUM ART" picture into the album folders for which I have no artwork, so that PictureFlow just displays that instead.
17:15:20CPrompt^well I get an album art with a question mark on it
17:15:51LambdaCalculus37Mine displays artwork from another album.
17:16:02CPrompt^ah. strange
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17:16:42mcuelenaerehow come in the debug menu button detection is much slower than in other menus?
17:17:06*LambdaCalculus37 shrugs
17:17:16LambdaCalculus37Is this on the Zen Vision:M?
17:17:31pixelmaCPrompt^, LambdaCalculus37: I noticed the problem too when updating database etc. (different number of albums), the "Rebuild cache" to clear the list in pictureflow doesn't seem to work properly. Try deleting the pictureflow directory in .rockbox/rocks/demos - the next time you start pictureflow it'll build everything new. That's the only thing that helped here
17:17:45mcuelenaereLambdaCalculus37: yes, and the problem is I want all the menus to be equally as slow as the debug
17:17:56mcuelenaerebtw, all this is on the ZVM as I don't own an other DAP :)
17:18:22mcuelenaerebut I can't navigate through menus since if I go down, it selects immediately the lowest menu item
17:18:28mcuelenaereexcept for the debug menu
17:18:28LambdaCalculus37pixelma: I'll try that out right now.
17:18:33CPrompt^pixelma: thanks. I'll give it a shot
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17:20:03LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Done. Restarting PictureFlow now.
17:22:00LambdaCalculus37Now it's working.
17:22:29CPrompt^pixelma: good stuff! worked for me too.
17:22:43mcuelenaerehmm the only possible way in Rockbox to scroll from the first item to the last one is by holding the button, right?
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17:24:50*petur can slide down on his H10 ;)
17:25:06DerPapstpetur: \o/
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17:25:47peturbut it is not optimal... I need somebody to explain me those scroll_down events
17:26:13Arathispetur: you mean like _really_ slide? :O
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17:26:52LambdaCalculus37petur: \o/
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17:29:59amiconnmcuelenaere: If you can't go item by item, you must've made a mistake in your button driver
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17:30:19mcuelenaereamiconn: you think so? can't the problem lay for example in the keymaps?
17:30:23amiconnpreglow: I have no idea; didn't write the pp i2c driver
17:30:49mcuelenaereamiconn: I can go down item by item in the debug menu...
17:31:18amiconnPossibly. Since the code isn't committed yet, I can't tell for sure
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17:35:37*petur advises mcuelenaere against the use of dutch variable names, even in debug code ;)
17:35:45amiconnThere is no keymap in that patch
17:35:51mcuelenaerepetur: you mean weergvn? :)
17:36:08mcuelenaereamiconn: sorry, just a sec
17:37:48mcuelenaereignore the #define BUTTON_REPEAT 0
17:37:54mcuelenaerethat's just testing code
17:38:32gevaertsShouldn't it be KNOP_HERHAAL then ?
17:38:37*gevaerts ducks
17:39:22LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: You are a silly person. :)
17:39:48*gevaerts likes easy conventions to distinguish testing code from "real" code
17:40:32*mcuelenaere just mixes the two as he'll removes it when he'll commit the code
17:40:37*pixelma notices that gevaerts now rather ducks instead of running away... getting tired? ;)
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17:41:05amiconnmcuelenaere: Eh, I'm 99% sure #define BUTTON_REPEAT 0 would cause that kind of problem....
17:41:14mcuelenaereneh, it was present before..
17:41:38mcuelenaereyou'll also see I commented some BUTTON_LEFT|BUTTON_REPEAT out, that didn't work either
17:41:57mcuelenaereI mean the bug was present before (at 17:41:12)
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17:44:35mcuelenaereBTW on you'll see the behaviour live
17:44:55amiconnmcuelenaere: If there's no remote, you should #define BUTTON_REMOTE 0 (doesn't have to do with the bug though)
17:45:11amiconnBUTTON_REMOTE is a mask that includes all remote buttons
17:46:07*amiconn wonders what these NONBUTTON_* macros are for
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17:46:51mcuelenaerewell, since the PIC also reports e.g. headphone inserts/unplugs, tv-out insert/.., power insert/.., etc I have to store them somewhere
17:47:03mcuelenaereand I didn't came up with a better idea than to name them NONBUTTON
17:47:11mcuelenaeremaybe DOCK_* is better
17:51:04amiconnWell, that's certainly something button.c doesn't need to know. Hence I wouldn't put it into the .h file
17:51:24mcuelenaereyes, that's why I named it pic-creativezvm.c
17:51:26v0yager33733I have a 1st gen iPod Nano and am having RoLo problems. I have read the manuals and FAQ but cannot switch back to the original Apple firmware. Please help
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17:52:45*LambdaCalculus37 points v0yager33733 to the above link
17:53:57LambdaCalculus37It's a matter of timing it.
17:54:47XavierGrpreglow: if you are interested I can give you a vmware image with the sim crosscompiled for windows. That way with ssh you can do everything (copy paste etc) and run the sim from windows
17:55:48*v0yager33733 goes to link
17:55:49XavierGrworks pretty well for me, amiconns idea was wonderfull, unfortunately my image got borked when I tried to shrink it more so I still use amiconn's
17:55:55amiconnmcuelenaere: I mean those NONBUTTON_* macros in button-target.h. They shouldn't be there. They are only internal to the pic driver
17:56:22mcuelenaereah, I thought they were only in pic-...c
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18:01:30mcuelenaereI do find it strange because when for example I replace "else{" at l.174 with "else if(false){" in button.c, it keeps going straight down to the last menu item
18:02:30mcuelenaereor when I replace REPEAT_START with a very big number (e.g. 10000000) it still gives me the same behaviour...
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18:25:24LambdaCalculus37A question about the iPod bootlaoder: What is the latest version number? I think the iPod manuals are behind on the times.
18:26:22DerPapst2.0 iirc
18:26:22*LambdaCalculus37 also remembers a bootloader update back around January or February of 2007
18:26:40LambdaCalculus37I want to make sure, because the manual may need fixing.
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18:50:15preglowlostlogic: around`?
18:54:03preglowamiconn: i know you didn't write the driver, i just wanted to know if it makes more sense to move irq maskin to a higher level than the i2c driver
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19:36:26w1ll14mis it possible to injext files into nk.bin for beast ?
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19:37:53LambdaCalculus37w1ll14m: There's a tool in the source for that; mknkboot.
19:37:54Nico_Pyes. mknkboot does that
19:38:46LambdaCalculus37You can also roll an nk.bin that's all Rockbox code.
19:38:56w1ll14mi know
19:39:07w1ll14mi want to replace radio.exe with another wince binary....
19:39:14w1ll14mi want to know what the result would be ;)
19:40:13n1sLambdaCalculus37: you got yours working again?
19:41:21amiconnmcuelenaere: It's quite obvious why your button driver doesn't work like it should
19:42:10amiconnbutton_read_device() is supposed to return the plain button state (i.e. have a bit set for those buttons which are currently held down, and the other bits unset)
19:42:32amiconnRepeat and release is handled in button.c with no special code needed
19:42:38*mcuelenaere is dying to find out what the bug is
19:43:01LambdaCalculus37n1s: Nope. Going to ask Doctor toffe if he can look at it for me. :)
19:43:14amiconnHowever, your driver sets the bit for the last button pressed or released, and keeps that bit set permanently until you press another button
19:43:28mcuelenaereahhh yes you're right
19:43:34amiconnThe problem should be quite easy to fix though
19:43:58mcuelenaerehowever, remember the driver is interrupt based; no pulling is available atm
19:44:00amiconn(a) do away with BUTTON_LONG. It's unnecessary and confusing
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19:44:12amiconnI know, that doesn't matter at all
19:44:49amiconn(b) initialize 'btn' to 0 (and hell, use an unisgned int instead of short)
19:45:13amiconn(c) change your map_button macro as follows:
19:45:23amiconn#define map_button(BtN,BtN2) case BtN:
19:45:39amiconnbtn ^= BtN2;
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19:45:52amiconncase BtN ^ BTN_LONG:
19:46:01amiconnbtn |= BtN2;
19:46:23amiconnThis already includes the auto-resync on long press
19:47:10mcuelenaereindeed, I get what you mean (and you're right) but it seems the PIC's firmware is more complex than this
19:47:21amiconnThat should fix the problem, provided that I correctly understand the way the PIC operates in the ZVM
19:48:09mcuelenaereah hmm
19:48:27mcuelenaereI'll first test this
19:48:29mcuelenaerejust a sec
19:50:43amiconnI guess the debug menu works because it (or its action context) ignores repeat events
19:51:27mcuelenaereat first glance it doesn't seem to be working, but maybe I forgot to tell you something
19:52:48mcuelenaereso for the past few weeks/months I've been using the Rockbox bootloader instead of normal Rockbox
19:53:07mcuelenaerebeginning this week, I get Rockbox working on the target but the PIC driver seems to behave differently
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19:53:29mcuelenaerebefore I got Rockbox working, it behaved like I've told you
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19:54:19mcuelenaerebut now it is something like this: I press a button, I get 0x4F00; if I hold the button for about 1/2 sec I get 0x4F01, if I immediately release it before 1/2 sec I also get 0x4F01
19:54:31mcuelenaerewhich isn't what the driver expects
19:54:56mcuelenaereso I realise now the PIC is configurable and I have to find out what setting I need to fiddle with
19:55:16mcuelenaerefor example, when I boot into Recovery mode and hold the hold switch one; the touchpad stops responding (the PIC doesn't give me the events)
19:55:35mcuelenaereif I reset the device now, and boot into Rockbox I can't read the touchpad
19:55:51mcuelenaereso the PIC can be configured somehow, but I don't (yet) know how
19:56:10mcuelenaereand I think the current button behaviour vs the old behaviour is one of these settings
19:56:15mcuelenaereor I hope so :)
19:56:32mcuelenaereproblem is: I can't read PIC assembly as ARM assembly is already tough enough for me
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19:58:43amiconnARM assembly in itself is pretty straightforward, but RE is always difficult
19:59:27amiconnDoes the PIC receive its code from the main CPU, or is it built in?
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20:00:21amiconnI'm asking because the iAudio M3 also uses a PIC for buttons (they just use its 4-channel ADC feature), but the code is flashed into the PIC itself
20:00:42mcuelenaereit receives it's code from the main CPU
20:00:53amiconn(and hrrrm, the i2c implementation of the PIC firmware is *crappy*)
20:01:55mcuelenaereif you look at the firmware package Creative delivers, it contains a flash bootloader, flash rescue mode, hard drive main firmware and PIC firmware (+ some images/text)
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20:02:38mcuelenaereI think the code is flashed into EEPROM or similar
20:02:40amiconnHmm, then you have 2 possibilities to find out how it works. You can try to disassemble the PIC firmware, and you can disassemble the part of the main firmware that communicates with the PIC
20:02:52mcuelenaereI've been trying both, but didn't came far :)
20:03:57mcuelenaereI know it's all about IC communication: either the PIC interrupts the main CPU and sends a message or the CPU sends a single digit to the PIC and reads the output
20:05:03mcuelenaereand I believe the PIC is connected to the power manager/battery charger, lcd backlight, button backlight, piezo clicker and the little light below the hold switch
20:05:24mcuelenaereso it is pretty important :)
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20:08:28toresndoes rockbox support ipod 6th generation?
20:08:44bluebrothertoresn: no. The frontpage clearly states that ...
20:09:07toresnok, sorry
20:09:44toresndo you know if it will in the nearest future?
20:10:42bluebrotherno, and no.
20:11:00bluebrothera player becomes supported if someone interested starts to work on it
20:11:21bluebrotherthis hasn't been happened for the newer Ipods. Also, they are completely different hardware than the older ones.
20:11:30bluebrotherso it's basically a completely new port
20:12:24LambdaCalculus37Plus the Apple firmware is encrypted, which is another obstacle to tackle.
20:12:53*pixelma mumbles something about the use of the term "supported" again... ;\
20:14:13*LambdaCalculus37 points to bluebrother; he said it :)
20:15:15pixelmaI didn't tell names ;)
20:17:23bluebrotherhe asked if the player is "supported" ...
20:17:55*bluebrother goes standing in the corner nevertheless
20:18:20*gevaerts thinks that it's a pity that the 6th gen ipod doesn't support rockbox ;)
20:18:34*gevaerts runs away
20:19:03*LambdaCalculus37 tosses a 6th gen iPod to gevaerts
20:19:26LambdaCalculus37I was going to try it, until I saw the encryption.
20:19:50LambdaCalculus37Then I just said "No way" and left it at that.
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20:21:10Horschtwas there some dispute about the term "supported"?
20:21:51LambdaCalculus37There was; IIRC it was because the term is a bit broad.
20:22:13amiconnWell, encryption and encryption.
20:22:26amiconnmi4 was cracked
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20:23:49pixelmaHorscht: "not supported" could also mean that "no-one's tried" or "use at your own risk", why not be more clear about it?
20:23:53krzhi to all! =)
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20:25:03krzNico_P: hi!
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20:25:44Horschtpixelma, was there a proposed better term?
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20:26:05*domonoky welcomes krz, our WPS/Theme gsoc student !!
20:26:24pixelmaHorscht: well, the frontpage lists players Rockbox "runs on"
20:26:38*gevaerts waves at krz
20:26:45Horschtok then rockbox "does not run" on 6th gen ipods?
20:27:07krzthanks =)
20:27:13Horschtor kitchen knifes?
20:27:20Nico_Pkrz: hi, and welcome :)
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20:27:46*LambdaCalculus37 knights krz and welcomes him to the Knights of the Rockbox clan :)
20:28:20krzNico_P: so, we've discussed some thinks with domonoky =)
20:29:47n1samiconn: well, someone was motivated enough to take a good look at mi4, doesn't seem like anyone cares much about the newer ipods...
20:31:47Nico_Pkrz: I'll be happy to answer any questions you might have on the WPS code. I wrote the parser and hacked the displaying code quite a lot
20:32:15domonokyNico_P: we were talking that krz should try to reuse as much as rockbox code as possible, and should use the time now, to dive in and find out how much reuse is possible..
20:32:36Nico_PI completely agree on that
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20:34:07krzso, just now i don't have any big questions, but they will surely appear in future =)
20:35:14bluebrotherkrz: are you planning on using a public code repository? Or regular releases?
20:35:19domonokythe other thing to research is how the GUI part will work, so the resizing and drag and drop thing... a good way would be to make paper sketches, and or small gui demo programms, this will help to get up to speed...
20:35:46pixelmawhat resizing?
20:35:46*Nico_P can also help with git
20:35:49bluebrotherI'd be interested in looking into the code if time permits
20:36:12bluebrotherany sansa experts around?
20:36:37domonokybluebrother: it would be good to put his code into svn at the time his first code runs wells enough...
20:37:14krzbluebrother: i think that public repositiry would be beeter, so that everyone can see it
20:37:35Nico_Pyeah I guess there's no need for branching of any sort
20:37:42Nico_Pthis can go into svn early
20:39:15*domonoky would really prefer this right into our svn, into a subdir, like we do for rbutil...
20:40:11*bluebrother wouldn't mind a different repo if it's publicly available
20:40:56bluebrothercan I unbrick an e200 if the user failed to respect the warnings here?
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20:41:54LambdaCalculus37I think only SanDisk can do it at that point, but I'm not 100 percent sure.
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20:42:15gevaertsbluebrother: maybe you can still get into manufacturer mode
20:42:48bluebrotherhmm. Thing is that I don't have the player
20:43:12gevaertsWhat symptoms does it show ? blue light ?
20:43:30bluebrotherand after reading the page I'm not sure if it's possible to resurrect it.
20:44:11*amiconn wonders why the DevCon* wiki pages link to a special currency converter site
20:44:57*gevaerts uses google for that
20:45:03amiconnGoogle does currency conversion right from their main search page - I guess that's easy to remember for a lot of people
20:45:36gevaertsbluebrother: what did the owner do ?
20:46:47bluebrotherhe tells he had put wrong files to the 16MB partition and formatted it
20:47:25gevaertsCan you have him try e200tool recover ?
20:47:37bluebrotherI fear not.
20:47:56bluebrotherso I guess it's not possible to tell if that unit is recoverable.
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20:48:45gevaertsI'm pretty sure e200tool would work
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21:13:05mcuelenaereamiconn: so I hacked my way around the problem ( ), but still it is there; could this be related to the keymaps? is there some kind of action to instantly go to the first/last item?
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21:16:24fmlbluebrother: Hello. There are two manual patches to look at: 8919 and 8924. Care to have a look?
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21:17:49LambdaCalculus37fml: 8924 is mine. I have to make a minor correction to it.
21:18:53bluebrotherfml: sure.
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21:26:49LeperkawnHey guys, I have a windows box here that's not letting me format a dual platter 80gb ipod hdd
21:27:17LeperkawnIt works perfectly fine and everything, but window's won't bring up any filesystem once I'm in the format window
21:28:10gevaertsLeperkawn: have a look at
21:29:15Leperkawngevaerts: Thanks
21:29:53peturhmmm it would be nice if somebody would build and test a h1x0 bootloader to make the CF mod less painfull
21:30:58bluebrotherpetur: Slasheri maybe? ;-)
21:31:32bluebrotherI could try it too but I'm somewhat reluctant due to the risk of bricking
21:31:51peturI understand
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21:33:52bluebrotherSlasheri seemed to be much more risk-friendly :)
21:34:39Slasherihehe :D
21:34:49bluebrotherfml: just committed FS #8919. Will wait for LambdaCalculus37 about the other task
21:35:15Slasheribest way to test a risky bootloader would be to chainload it from a working bootloader
21:35:49peturSlasheri: could you provide a current bootloader on the iriverboot page?
21:35:59peturh1x0, that is
21:36:06LambdaCalculus37bluebrother: Commit away. :)
21:36:26bluebrotherI thought about something like that too ... but I don't have enought knowledge of the bootloader code to do this.
21:36:35Slasheripetur: what do you mean with "current bootloader"?
21:36:50peturpeople doing the CF mod need a recent one for the ata error
21:36:51bluebrotherpetur, Slasheri: maybe we should try to release bootloader 7 final at DevCon?
21:37:32*petur hopes to release a new h3x0 bootloader if he finds his crash
21:37:37Slasheribluebrother: that could be a good idea. afaik nobody has reported any real issues with it
21:38:59bluebrotherI'm running your latest pre bootloader since quite a while now.
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21:39:11bluebrotherand the flashing feature is quite cool :)
21:39:25bluebrotherLambdaCalculus37: done
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21:40:18bluebrotherpetur: oh, and I can confirm participating at devcon :)
21:41:45*LambdaCalculus37 now has had three patches commited :)
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21:45:11mcuelenaerecould someone who knows a bit about keymappings look into this ( ) ?
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21:49:43*preglow is tired of forgetting how to objdump binary files :/
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21:53:33Bagderpreglow: arm-elf-objdump -D −−target binary -marm [file]
21:53:45*Bagder has it written down
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22:02:53preglowBagder: found it, but thanks :)
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22:04:47Pokeanyone here
22:05:01Bagderyes many
22:05:15Pokehow do i download ipod_fw.exe
22:05:24Pokeits not in the same spot it used to be
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22:06:18LloreanBecause it's not part of our install process any more
22:06:19Pokedoes anyone have it?
22:06:45bluebrotherPoke: what do you want to do? You don't need it anymore.
22:07:03 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
22:07:28Pokeim trying to load multiple firmwares on my ipod so when i boot it up i can choose which one to load
22:07:41Pokelike different themes and what not
22:07:54bluebrothera firmware is not a theme ...
22:08:02Poketheme is in the firmware
22:08:12bluebrotheryou can use the Rockbox bootloader to load Rockbox, IPL and AppleOS.
22:08:27bluebrotherwe support the Rockbox bootloader here. But not any other bootloader.
22:08:44Pokeyeah but you had ipod_fw.exe on your servers
22:08:44bluebrotherand for Rockbox, a theme is not part of the firmware.
22:08:53Pokeim wondering if anyone can upload it for me
22:08:57bluebrotherso what?
22:09:10bluebrotherget the sources and build it yourself.
22:09:20bluebrotherbesides, installing a bootloader isn't done that way anymore.
22:09:21domonokyPoke: ipodpatcher replaced it.. so use it .. :-)
22:09:34bluebrotherdomonoky: don't tell the obvious ;-)
22:09:53Pokethis is directly from the tut
22:09:55PokeTo successfully complete this tutorial, you will now need to download these tools:
22:10:00*bluebrother wonders why people don't read up the sources first :)
22:10:15bluebrotherPoke: we don't care about some heavily outdated tut.
22:10:15PokeiPodpatcher.exe -
22:10:24*domonoky recommends the rockbox manual to Poke..
22:10:41Pokeit used to be in the manual i believe
22:10:47Pokeit got moved/deleted
22:11:01domonokyno updated.. :-)
22:11:02bluebrotherit got removed as the installation process changed.
22:11:05peturalso called 'progress'
22:11:16bluebrotherwe have progress? Nooo ...!
22:11:16Pokecan someone upload it for me
22:11:30Pokegreat help
22:11:34scorche|shPoke: last dont. need. it.
22:11:44scorche|shread the manual for the new, updated instructions
22:11:52Pokei want it
22:12:00scorche|shtrust dont
22:12:00bluebrotherI somewhat get the impression that he doesn't want to get help
22:12:15Pokedoes anyone still have it
22:12:34LloreanIt's not a required Rockbox tool any more.
22:12:37Mode"#rockbox +o scorche|sh " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
22:12:43Pokedoes anyone still have it
22:12:50Mode"#rockbox +b %*!*4cbe86ca@@* " by scorche|sh (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
22:12:51LloreanSince this channel is for *Rockbox* questions.. your question doesn't belong here
22:13:05bluebrotherPoke: you asked that several times before. And got it answered several times.
22:13:09Pokeit was on
22:13:17Mode"#rockbox +b %*!*4cbe86ca@* " by scorche|sh (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
22:13:18bluebrotherso what?
22:13:28bluebrotherthe installation has changed. Adapt to it.
22:13:40advcomp2019Poke, just read the manual
22:13:41bluebrotherwe don't support outdated procedures.
22:14:38scorche|shPoke: you are muted for 10 minutes...stop being silly and go read the manual to see what you should now do...YOU DONT NEED is an old and outdated install method that isnt used anymore
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22:19:54amiconnmcuelenaere: There is no such action afaik. The PIC data is strange though - how are you supposed to tell the difference between a long press and a release?
22:20:30amiconnThat can't be right - and this makes the button driver in its current form fail as soon as you press a single button longer than 0.5 s
22:21:09mcuelenaereamiconn: what action are you talking about?
22:21:38mcuelenaerecurrently I ignore the long press by checking if it happened 33-34 ticks agoo
22:21:54amiconn[21:13:06] <mcuelenaere> amiconn: [...] is there some kind of action to instantly go to the first/last item?
22:22:35mcuelenaereso this problem is very odd..
22:22:38amiconnThen the button driver will fails if someone actually releases the button after that period
22:22:52mcuelenaereyes, that's the downside of this hack..
22:23:16mcuelenaerebut this happens almost not if you pay attention :)
22:23:50amiconnYou could make the release/longpress code always trigger a release (with explicit |= resp. &= in map_button), but then you'll completely give up longpresses for now
22:23:54mcuelenaereI also solved it partly by doing a btn &= BUTTON_XXX; so all other buttons are wiped
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22:24:19amiconnYou must not wipe other buttons, otherwise you won't be able to press combos!
22:24:35mcuelenaereto be sure we're talking about the same code:
22:24:43mcuelenaerethe PIC doesn't allow combos!
22:24:54mcuelenaerenot currently no
22:24:56amiconnHow crappy...
22:24:59mcuelenaereonly the hold button..
22:24:59Mode"#rockbox -b %*!*4cbe86ca@* " by scorche|sh (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
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22:25:27amiconnThey use a full blown separate processor, and then still not allow combos - pffft
22:25:34mcuelenaereyes, it is quite silly
22:25:50amiconnWhat happens if you press combos?
22:25:59mcuelenaerebut I hope, eventually (in the far, far future) we'll be able to put our own code on the PIC :)
22:26:10mcuelenaereeh, it doesn't get recognized
22:26:19mcuelenaereI mean, the event of the second button pressed doesn't get sent
22:27:25mcuelenaereso to sum up: button press: e.g. 0x4F00 [button long: 0x4F01 OR button release: 0x4F01]
22:27:42mcuelenaereso it's quite hard to distinguish between the 2
22:27:45amiconnHmm, but in the bootloader it's different?
22:27:48mcuelenaerethat's why I use the tick method
22:27:54mcuelenaereit was, until some point
22:28:00mcuelenaereand I can't remember when or how
22:28:16mcuelenaerethe bootloader and Rockbox differ almost nothing
22:28:44mcuelenaereor shouldn't
22:28:48amiconnDid you upgrade the OF? Run the OF? Run some special mode of the OF?
22:29:02mcuelenaerethe OF is wiped off the drive, only rescue mode exists on it
22:29:17amiconnNo dual boot?
22:29:20mcuelenaerenot atm
22:29:25mcuelenaere:) it is very basic
22:29:37mcuelenaereyou know about the partition format?
22:29:48mcuelenaerealmost everything about this device is Creative custom
22:36:08amiconnSeems the ZVM needs rockbox badly....
22:36:33mcuelenaereindeed :)
22:36:47mcuelenaereall Creative players..
22:37:13amiconnThey seem to be Creative in crippling stuff (pun intended)
22:38:29amiconnHmm, that part list is a bit misleading at first glance
22:38:47amiconnThe flash is 32Mbit, which is 4Mbyte
22:39:23mcuelenaereah, 32MB seemed a bit too overkill :)
22:39:55amiconnThere's a small 'b'
22:40:42mcuelenaerehmm, I'll correct that one
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22:42:00amiconnI guess the analog muxer is for fm radio<->line in selection (presuming the ZVM has recording and line in)
22:42:18mcuelenaererecording: yes line-in: no, or not known
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22:42:34mcuelenaererecording->FM & Mic
22:43:55amiconnThat can be selected without a separate muxer (Mic needs higher gain, and the TLV has a separate mic input, as most audio ADCs)
22:44:33amiconnDo you know how many gain steps the OF allows for mic?
22:44:48mcuelenaerenone, I think
22:45:10mcuelenaereI haven't used it recently (some months ago), but if I recall there weren't any
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22:45:52amiconnWell, doesn't surprise me that much. The TLV only offers 2 mic gain settings, 0dB and +20dB. Even the latter isn't that sensitive
22:46:41amiconnThat's why I were asking - maybe creative put a separate mic amp in (although it would contradict their apparent desire to cripple stuff)
22:47:07mcuelenaereI wouldn't know
22:47:27mcuelenaereI really know nothing about electronics, I wish I would..
22:48:14*amiconn thinks that figuring out that PIC is very important for the ZVM port
22:48:23*mcuelenaere agrees
22:49:07amiconnWhat does this 'reloading' of the firmware in rescue mode actually do?
22:49:22mcuelenaereit formats the first partition
22:49:39mcuelenaereand then it waits for the host PC for an fw upgrade
22:49:50mcuelenaerethere are 2 partitions: bfs & cfs
22:49:53amiconnMaybe you used to utilize the OF's PIC code, until at some point you (purposely or inadvertently) entered rescue mode, which replaced the PIC firmware with a limited variant?
22:50:07mcuelenaereI don't think so
22:50:21mcuelenaerethe rescue mode is a limited variant of the OF
22:50:30mcuelenaereit contains the same kernel, same drivers, same init code..
22:50:37mcuelenaerejust not the audio driver etc
22:50:44amiconnThere must be a reason why it's behaving different now. It won't happen out of nowhere...
22:50:45mcuelenaereyou could say it is a mini OS on it's own
22:51:27mcuelenaereI could try some older patches I uploaded on the tracker, maybe it is some newer code in pic-creativezvm.c
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22:51:37mcuelenaerewhich triggers this behaviour
22:52:35*amiconn goes looking for the Sansa c200 installation instructions
22:52:58Lloreanamiconn: Same as an iPod, but with Sansapatcher instead of iPodPatcher
22:55:53bluebrotheror use Rockbox Utility ;-)
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22:56:49mcuelenaereamiconn: old patch doesn't work
22:57:53Lloreanbluebrother: Oh, yes. I don't believe we have any quoting guidelines for the forums (I honestly never even thought about them, since conversation is always threaded) but we can create some if problems show up
22:57:56mcuelenaeremaybe something which is related: in the beginning when I got Rockbox working, it booted very, very fast compared with now; maybe this has something to do with the problems now
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22:59:30bluebrotherLlorean: I was just asking because of the top-posting "discussion" on the ml. Funny thing is that in the forums people usually don't use quotes for something top-posting like
22:59:38bluebrother(or I haven't noticed such a thing)
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23:00:59Lloreanbluebrother: Well, forums have a natively threaded view, and don't auto-quote. I think the real problem is almost entirely that a large percentage of people sending email today use Outlook or clients with behaviour descended from it.
23:01:41amiconnOutlook can be configured to quote properly, but its default settings make that almost impossible
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23:02:27bluebrotherOutlook also lacks some important features. I haven't figured out how to thread messages correctly for example
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23:03:09mcuelenaerecould it be possible for the PIC to get upgraded through IC?
23:04:13*amiconn wonders whether it would be bad to delete the SYSTEM folder on a sansa
23:04:41amiconnbluebrother: Hmm? Sure outlook allows following mail threads...
23:05:13Bagderamiconn: I don't think deleting system does much harm
23:05:33amiconnThere's some mtp stuff in that folder which only takes up space...
23:05:34pixelmaI'm not sure, but I believe Zagor did and it wasn't a problem but it's there again on the next USB connection (if done with the OF USB)
23:05:41Lloreanamiconn: As far as I know, nothing in the user-accessible partition is needed
23:06:00*petur directs amiconn to gevaerts for tips on how to break a sansa
23:06:05amiconnpixelma: Maybe the folder will be back, but without most of the junk...
23:06:40*amiconn deleted it now
23:07:52*Llorean thinks gevaerts is also probably currently the world's leading expert on unbreaking one as well
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23:14:20Bagderbut we also only know of the c200 series to be able to break that badly
23:14:39Bagderoddly enough
23:15:18Bagderon a different subject, I've added devcon arrival/departure times for me, bjorn and linus
23:15:28*amiconn asks pixelma for a sane c200 wps :/
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23:19:48peturBagder: those are nice times... nothing like that can be found here for a decent price :/
23:21:51Bagder~180 euro / person
23:21:55Bagderboth ways
23:21:59BagderI mean in total
23:22:39peturnot bad
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23:23:28BagderI had to play travel agent and search around, as this is with two different companies
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23:24:11peturI'll fix the red right away, gtg for 10 minutes
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23:24:58Lucifer_penI hate to ask, but I haven't been able to find the page that lists chips rockbox runs on
23:25:01Bgeramiconn: here ?
23:25:06Lucifer_penanybody got a link handy to that page? ;)
23:25:27BagderLucifer_pen: rockbox runs on entire targets, not single chips
23:25:43Bagderthe front page lists the targets
23:25:48Bgerhi :) it seems that the iriver remote lcd code is still too fast, at least for my remote
23:26:04Lucifer_penah, er, I'm kinda trying to restart a conversation I was having in here several months ago
23:26:20Lucifer_penmy mp3 player isn't listed as supported, and I had to open it to fix the play button, so now I know what's in it
23:26:36Bagderand what player is it and what's inside?
23:26:51Lucifer_penwhat can I do to see what it will take to get rockbox ported or what port to try to see if it works?
23:26:56Lucifer_penit's a ....
23:27:04amiconnBger: Yeah, didn't follow the flyspray task too closely (@Bagder: could you check why I still don't get notification mails from fs?)
23:27:06scorche|shLucifer_pen: have you seen the NewPort wiki page?
23:27:08Bgerif it's plugged in on booting, nothing will show up on the lcd
23:27:10Lucifer_pener, looks like it doesn't say anywhere, heh
23:27:24Lucifer_penit's a Trio, called Trio, no relation to Treo
23:27:36Lucifer_pen(sorry, new to this irc client)
23:27:39Bgerok, so it's known problem
23:27:40scorche|shBger: stay a while! ;)
23:27:45amiconnI'd like to check in what way it is too fast, but have to provide a few test builds for this
23:27:47Lucifer_penscorche|sh: I've seen it, I'll go open it and see what it says :)
23:27:55Bagderis there anyone who gets FS notification mails?
23:28:05Bagderapart from using the mailing list
23:28:44Bgeramiconn if you want i could test it
23:29:07Lucifer_penok I'm not going to start a new port, but someone (I forgot who, already) had suggested I could join an existing port if the hardware was similar enough, or something to that effect
23:29:12amiconnIt could either be a similar problem as I had on iaudio when really going too fast (clock pulse must be delayed enough from data line state change), the duty cycle might be a problem (it's somewhat asymmetric), or the overall clock might be too fast
23:29:37BagderLucifer_pen: yes, so what's the hardware like?
23:29:42amiconnIt's for sure within specs of the lcd controller, so the wiring is the problem
23:30:00pixelmaBagder: yes, I get FS mails for tasks I had the notification checked and am not subscribed to a FS mailingl list
23:30:07amiconnThe bad thing is that all my possible combinations are working like a charm, so I can't verify myself
23:30:21Bgerok, i'm willing to test
23:30:29Lucifer_pensigmatel stmp3504
23:30:35Bagderso the problem is then specific to amiconn :-/
23:30:41amiconn(H100 remote on H180, H100 remote on H340, M3 remote on M3 or X5, X5 remote on M3 or X5)
23:30:53Bgerhere h300 on h300
23:31:16amiconnMaybe the H300 remote has worse wiring compared to the H100 remote?
23:31:16pixelma(at least not that I know of - and I don't get any other mails from FS, except the "open..." through the dev ml
23:31:25BagderLucifer_pen: here's a similar target
23:31:40BagderLucifer_pen: do note the quote "It's nearly impossible to compile a firmware because of missing Datasheet/Compiler"
23:31:59Bgerit's possible ... btw i've had occasional 'empty' displays with older builds, too
23:32:28mcuelenaereLucifer_pen: the Creative ZEN uses the sigmatel stmp3760
23:32:45Bgerbut they were very rare, only happened 3-4 times
23:33:20Bagderbut the stmp37xx is quite different to the stmp35xx it seems
23:34:13mcuelenaereah, ok; I know there's a Linux BSP for the stmp37xx
23:34:45Lucifer_penthat's pretty much the same machine only mine doesn't have the fm tuner
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23:36:54bluebrotheramiconn: hmm −− do you have a link around? I only managed to get outlook group "conversations" but not to show real threaded view (i.e. message trees)
23:37:33amiconnHmm, I don't think you can make it show a threaded view
23:37:37peturhmmm do I need a specific compiler version or patch to build cowon D2 or Mrobe? My 4.0.3 fails
23:37:54amiconnI only ever used the little blue arrows which link mails of a thread
23:38:09*amiconn never used a threaded view in a mail program
23:39:13amiconnpetur: YOu need the multilib patch
23:39:35bluebrotherok, thanks. I'm also missing colored quoted, but this is now getting kinda OT ;)
23:39:36amiconnApply that and rebuild (or let do the job if you're lazy)
23:39:46peturI am :)
23:40:24BagderI call it wise, not lazy...
23:40:51amiconnDoes let you choose the prefix(es)?
23:41:09Lucifer_penso basically what I should do is take notes on what see, but otherwise just fix what's wrong with it and move on
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23:41:23Lucifer_penmaybe call freescale and see if I can get a toolchain for it, and if not, don't worry about it ;)
23:42:16*Lucifer_pen drives by freescale every other day, so he can even stop in and talk to people if needed, but the sigmatel stuff may not be there
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23:45:41Lucifer_penthanks guys, I'm gonna fix my play button now, if I wind up with a toolchain for this thing, I'll be back ;)
23:46:20Bgerbtw does anyone know what happened with those ATA 50pin->ZIF adapters ?
23:46:42BagderLucifer_pen: good luck!
23:47:16Bgeramiconn do you mean the install prefixes?
23:48:36Bagderamiconn: yes, you're supposed to edit them at the top of the script before you run it
23:48:41Bgerthere are some vars in the first 30 lines of the file, one of them is 'prefix'. so yes
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