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| 00:00:32 | bluebrother | hmm, a graphical representation of those numbers would be nice. |
| 00:00:44 | bluebrother | can twiki do such stuff automagically? I guess no ... |
| 00:00:48 | w1ll14m | i hate bad bit rates, i hate srs wow/trubass |
| 00:00:57 | H10er | so I have to chose the best codec to go with an eq? um.. I'll pass. I think I can live without an eq! |
| 00:01:04 | w1ll14m | they are BAT |
| 00:01:12 | w1ll14m | i only use hw/sw eq |
| 00:01:31 | ZincAlloy | good headphones are better than any eq.. |
| 00:01:32 | H10er | i hate bad bitrates too, but not srs wow |
| 00:01:39 | w1ll14m | you can do very much with rockbox of you combine them both |
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| 00:02:19 | w1ll14m | trubass is nothing compared to what rockbox is capable of.. srs wow is just a type if wider stereo, which is also capale on most rockboxed players |
| 00:02:25 | H10er | well, it would be hilarious to use huge professional headphones on a portable player. not good as far as bettery is concerned |
| 00:02:31 | ZincAlloy | but let's move this discussion to #rockbox-community |
| 00:02:40 | w1ll14m | i have sony mdr lp 90... not pro, but pretty nice |
| 00:02:49 | H10er | w11 14m - i don't disagree |
| 00:02:56 | gevaerts | H10er: I'm pretty sure that running the CPU at 100% for the eq is worse |
| 00:03:28 | w1ll14m | hmmm my ipod is running 100.8 MHz with a boost ratio of 30-40% |
| 00:03:31 | H10er | sure, that's why I'll just skip the eq part! |
| 00:03:42 | ZincAlloy | good headphones don't need to be huge and power hungry. for mobile use I really love my Koss Porta Pros |
| 00:03:47 | w1ll14m | with heavy eq settings |
| 00:03:50 | stripwax | w1ll14m - 100.8MHz ? I thought the max clock was 80MHz |
| 00:03:59 | stripwax | (maybe that's just 5g?) |
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| 00:04:00 | w1ll14m | i have a lucky chip |
| 00:04:13 | w1ll14m | it is 80 MHz according to specs... |
| 00:04:28 | stripwax | w1ll14m - custom build? |
| 00:04:30 | w1ll14m | my other 5g runs at max 96 MHz |
| 00:04:35 | w1ll14m | stripwax, yes |
| 00:04:36 | stripwax | or is rockbox just misreporting |
| 00:04:39 | stripwax | ah. neato |
| 00:04:55 | H10er | really? can you get the same results out of 'ear plugs' that you can out of the large ones (don't remember what they are called...)? |
| 00:04:56 | w1ll14m | some simple recalculation in system-pp502x.c |
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| 00:05:18 | stripwax | w1ll14m - well.. any chance you've dabbled with CPUFREQ_SLEEP too? |
| 00:05:20 | w1ll14m | H10er, i can create a inhuman amount of bass with these |
| 00:05:27 | w1ll14m | nope, still default |
| 00:05:30 | w1ll14m | only normal and boost |
| 00:06:00 | H10er | i'll check them out, i'm really interested |
| 00:06:15 | ZincAlloy | forget about standard plugs. in ears can be pretty nice. but the larger on-ear type can be really good at decent prices |
| 00:06:31 | w1ll14m | H10er, i like a huge amount of bass, so strong they have in some cars with very expensive subwoofers |
| 00:06:40 | H10er | but are they not power hungry? |
| 00:06:51 | w1ll14m | H10er, not that i noticed |
| 00:07:07 | w1ll14m | i've blewn the original ipod earpieces ;) |
| 00:07:11 | w1ll14m | with my settings |
| 00:07:16 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 00:07:33 | w1ll14m | these can keep up, so they might take a *little* more power |
| 00:07:44 | w1ll14m | but i don't think it's much of a difference |
| 00:08:33 | H10er | what ipod do you use? |
| 00:08:46 | w1ll14m | ipod video 30/60 (i have 2) |
| 00:09:00 | w1ll14m | and gigabeat s, it is still in development |
| 00:09:55 | w1ll14m | anyways... i've got 6 hours of sleep left... so i'm off |
| 00:10:06 | w1ll14m | gnight all |
| 00:10:15 | H10er | bye! |
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| 00:10:18 | w1ll14m|aw | cya |
| 00:11:37 | w1ll14m|aw | some ****tard here did the laundry right now.... makes sleeping difficould |
| 00:12:02 | w1ll14m|aw | thus some washing machine will be busy for another hour or so.... |
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| 00:12:10 | w1ll14m|aw | anyways bye :) |
| 00:12:10 | H10er | try some high bitrate music. it helps! |
| 00:12:34 | w1ll14m|aw | i have a damaged cable on my earpices by sleeping with them |
| 00:12:44 | w1ll14m|aw | and they cost 100 Euro's here |
| 00:12:50 | w1ll14m|aw | so i won't do that again ;) |
| 00:12:57 | H10er | ouch! |
| 00:13:06 | w1ll14m|aw | indeed |
| 00:13:22 | w1ll14m|aw | but they still work somehow |
| 00:13:35 | H10er | that's why I use plugs for bed. 8 euros sony ones, sound just fine |
| 00:13:37 | w1ll14m|aw | still i need to fix the cable, or get some new ones soon.... |
| 00:13:45 | w1ll14m|aw | then my ears hurt |
| 00:13:59 | w1ll14m|aw | because of the quality and they are irritating my ears |
| 00:14:10 | w1ll14m|aw | so no solution ;) |
| 00:14:17 | H10er | use speakers! |
| 00:14:19 | w1ll14m|aw | i have a laptop on all night with some music... |
| 00:14:36 | w1ll14m|aw | but the washing machine is right next to my bedroom door |
| 00:14:42 | H10er | dam! |
| 00:14:46 | w1ll14m|aw | indeed... sucks |
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| 00:15:03 | H10er | maybe you could use some real ear plugs! |
| 00:15:15 | w1ll14m|aw | real earplugs... i hate these |
| 00:15:25 | w1ll14m|aw | i won't wake up with them |
| 00:15:32 | H10er | waxy blobs.... disgusting! |
| 00:15:44 | stripwax | Interesting. Building with thumb instructions seems to break the build horribly |
| 00:15:51 | w1ll14m|aw | i'm having a hardtime to get to sleep, even harder to wake up... the reason for music while sleeping |
| 00:16:04 | * | homielowe points to -community |
| 00:16:07 | stripwax | Doesn't get past the apple logo.. and the logo is corrupted.. |
| 00:16:12 | w1ll14m|aw | :| |
| 00:16:19 | w1ll14m|aw | you're screwed |
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| 00:16:58 | H10er | i'm sorry to butt in, but what are thumb instructions? |
| 00:17:53 | stripwax | H10er - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6734?histring=thumb |
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| 00:18:35 | H10er | oook! |
| 00:20:12 | H10er | does anyone kow if i can successfully replace my player's 20gb drive with a 60gb one? |
| 00:21:49 | stripwax | H10er - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement |
| 00:22:14 | stripwax | always check the wiki! :) |
| 00:23:31 | stripwax | looks like you'd need a 5mm zif40 replacement, think they're getting tricky to come by and probably don't go up to 60gb |
| 00:24:08 | stripwax | oh, very same page mentions mk8022gaa 80gb drive |
| 00:24:47 | H10er | wow, thanks! but will rockbox boot from any of those drives? |
| 00:25:04 | stripwax | don't see why not |
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| 00:25:47 | linuxstb | stripwax: What are you trying to do? Build all of Rockbox in thumb mode? |
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| 00:26:14 | stripwax | thought i'd see what happens.. |
| 00:26:19 | H10er | even off the 100gb one? i read on a forum it has been tried, and it doesn't boot from larger than 40gb |
| 00:26:42 | linuxstb | stripwax: You need to switch the CPU to thumb mode. |
| 00:27:02 | stripwax | oh, that patch doesn't do that? heh |
| 00:27:06 | H10er | something to do with FAT32 only able to handle up to 32gb |
| 00:27:15 | linuxstb | What patch? |
| 00:27:26 | stripwax | linuxstb - huh? the one I linked above |
| 00:27:44 | stripwax | H10er - errr.. .my ipod 60gb is fat32 |
| 00:27:49 | linuxstb | stripwax: Sorry, I didn't read that far... |
| 00:27:58 | stripwax | linuxstb : http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6734 |
| 00:28:18 | BigBambi | H10er: Windows XP and up refuse to format larger than 30 GB as FAT32, but that is a stupid windows thing |
| 00:28:35 | BigBambi | FAT32 goes MUCH bigger |
| 00:28:39 | linuxstb | stripwax: I guess it's just out of sync... |
| 00:29:25 | H10er | well, I have windows xp, so i guess it's out of the question. Unless you can do it with Ubuntu |
| 00:29:46 | BigBambi | H10er: Or other windows utilities like fat32format or swissknife... |
| 00:29:49 | bluebrother | you can. |
| 00:29:54 | BigBambi | Anyway, this is of topic |
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| 00:30:38 | H10er | right |
| 00:30:47 | H10er | thanks thoug |
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| 00:31:10 | stripwax | ipod 5g OF seems to be able to fill its buffer, from a clean reboot, in about four seconds, in about five quick bursts. seems fast / rockbox seems slow |
| 00:31:34 | stripwax | linuxstb - guess so, although not clear which bits |
| 00:31:40 | bluebrother | hmm, what's the deal with the H10EMP.mi4 file on some h10? |
| 00:31:41 | linuxstb | How do you know it fills the buffer? |
| 00:32:38 | stripwax | linuxstb - weeeellll.. I don't. but I have the player up to my ear and I haven't heard it spin up yet. about fifteen mins and counting |
| 00:33:17 | stripwax | ^spin up^spin up again |
| 00:33:34 | pixelma | bluebrother: what deal? |
| 00:33:52 | bluebrother | pixelma: the h10 bootloader installation checks for h10.mi4 and h10emp.mi4. |
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| 00:34:14 | bluebrother | but I have no idea why it is that way −− and what's the difference between the two files |
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| 00:34:54 | pixelma | bluebrother: IIRC there are some so-called "pure" models which are a bit different, I believe it's explained in the manual bootloader installation instructions in the manual (and in the wiki) |
| 00:35:08 | pixelma | only 5/6GB ones, I think |
| 00:35:17 | bluebrother | ok, will check that. |
| 00:36:05 | * | pixelma digs out her old started installation instructions info collection (for an overhaul) :\ |
| 00:40:02 | bluebrother | hmm, it's indeed the pure models. |
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| 01:15:00 | Leperkawn | Does the 5g use a ZIF-40 connection for the hdd? |
| 01:15:11 | Leperkawn | (iPod) |
| 01:17:50 | DerPapst | yes |
| 01:17:53 | GBeat | Hey, I checked the MpegPlayer wiki first, but is there a reason why my video's audio doesn't match up with audio on the gigabeat f40 when it is in sync on the computer? |
| 01:20:20 | GBeat | I am using the current build, and all of these movies were working until I updated my build from a build several months old today |
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| 01:26:24 | midgey | Bagder: around? |
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| 02:41:04 | Pyst | hey guys. i need a little help. i'm trying to be a first time rockbox user. ive got a sansa c250 but it's not being assigned a drive letter when it's connected. any ideas ? |
| 02:41:56 | pixelma | Pyst: can you look up the exact version of the sansa firmware? |
| 02:42:07 | Pyst | yeah one sec |
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| 02:42:33 | Pyst | 01.01.00P |
| 02:43:15 | pixelma | ok, then you should have a "USB" setting in the Settings menu, set that to MSC and you'll get a drive letter |
| 02:43:20 | Pyst | its showing up in explorer but its not assigned a letter |
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| 02:44:26 | Pyst | ahh fantastic |
| 02:44:39 | Pyst | thx pixelma much appreciated |
| 02:44:43 | Pyst | :) |
| 02:44:49 | Pyst | have a good one |
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| 02:46:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | Damn, my Gigabeat S is still not responding. |
| 02:49:54 | alienbiker99 | =(. no charging screen still? |
| 02:50:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | Nothing. |
| 02:51:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | Have you had this sort of situation happen to you with yours, alienbiker99? |
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| 02:53:37 | alienbiker99 | i think it happend once. i kept switching the battery switch on and off and kept trying the charger when the battery was set on. |
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| 02:55:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | How long did it take for your Gigabeat to snap back onto this plane of existence? |
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| 02:56:31 | alienbiker99 | it was less than 5 minutes |
| 02:57:55 | * | LambdaCalculus37 keeps trying |
| 02:59:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | Still not working. |
| 02:59:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | I left it on the charger only until the battery was fully charged. |
| 02:59:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | Unless this battery is finally giving out. |
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| 03:00:15 | alienbiker99 | thats wierd that its not turning on with the charger though |
| 03:01:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'm at a loss here. Either the battery is bad, in which case I have to replace it, or something else more severe is wrong with my Gigabeat. |
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| 03:03:18 | Byron | Hello |
| 03:03:33 | Byron | Does the Sansa support text-to-speech or spoken menus? |
| 03:03:38 | Byron | with RockBox? |
| 03:04:03 | Shaid | yes |
| 03:04:15 | Shaid | you need a VOICE file |
| 03:04:39 | Byron | Okay, I know about those. |
| 03:05:15 | Byron | I am buying one for my girlfriend, we are both blind and I had Rockbox on my Archos Studio 20 and Ondio and wanted to make sure the same speech features worked on the Sansa. |
| 03:05:48 | Shaid | It does, yes. |
| 03:06:13 | Byron | Thanks so much |
| 03:06:16 | Byron | I appreaciate it |
| 03:06:39 | Byron | I know I could have read the website and found out but her Birthday is the 2nd and I am shopping last minute. |
| 03:06:58 | Byron | so I figured I'd find out faster here. |
| 03:07:25 | advcomp2019 | Byron, be careful that there is v2s out |
| 03:07:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes, so your best bet is to shop on eBay for a Sansa. |
| 03:07:57 | Byron | I wish there was a website that would compare prices for a product but only in retail stores... there are plenty of online price comparison sites |
| 03:08:10 | Byron | oh, there is a new sansa out there that won't work? |
| 03:08:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | Byron: Yes. The hardware is completely different, and we haven't got a new port started for it yet. |
| 03:09:01 | Byron | do they look the same on the outside |
| 03:09:15 | advcomp2019 | yes they do look the same |
| 03:09:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | They do. That's what is tricky about it. |
| 03:09:21 | Byron | crap |
| 03:09:39 | Byron | does the box say if it's v2s? |
| 03:09:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | The only way to know for sure is to ask someone to look for a "v2" on the bottom of the case, or read the firmware version number. |
| 03:10:14 | Byron | the case meaning the machine itself or the box it comes in? |
| 03:10:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | A v2 Sansa will have a version 03.XX.XX firmware; whereas a v1 will have a version 01.XX.XX firmware. |
| 03:10:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | The Sansa itself. |
| 03:10:34 | Byron | okay |
| 03:10:50 | advcomp2019 | the best way is with the firmware version tho |
| 03:10:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | If you buy on eBay, ask the seller to read the firmware version for you. |
| 03:11:01 | Byron | I am going to have to buy it at a store as I'm doing this last minute and there's no telling if it'll ship here in time for my trip to Des Moines |
| 03:11:17 | advcomp2019 | Byron, you in ds moines? |
| 03:11:22 | Byron | is there a reccomended store that would have older ones and how long as v2 been out? |
| 03:11:22 | advcomp2019 | des* |
| 03:11:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | All right. Good luck in landing a v1. |
| 03:11:29 | Byron | I'm in Chicago |
| 03:11:44 | Byron | but my girlfriend is going to the Department of the Blind in Des Moines |
| 03:12:20 | Byron | and I'm taking MegaBus down there to visit her on the 2nd / 3rd |
| 03:12:29 | advcomp2019 | Byron, i have a v1 and i live close enough to des moines tho |
| 03:12:49 | Byron | Oh, really? |
| 03:12:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | alienbiker99: Curious... do you leave your Gigabeat S on a charger overnight? |
| 03:13:09 | alienbiker99 | yeah all the time |
| 03:13:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | And it does it no harm? |
| 03:13:36 | alienbiker99 | nothing that i notice |
| 03:13:54 | Byron | If your willing to either ship it to Chicago within the next day or so, or are willing to bring it to the Greyhound on the 2nd I'd buy it from you, advcomp2019 |
| 03:14:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | Odd. |
| 03:14:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | Guess I may try that. |
| 03:14:48 | * | LambdaCalculus37 crosses his fingers and hopes it works |
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| 03:15:14 | Byron | I'd be scared to try and get it on ebay because the seller might wait a week to ship it, sometimes Ebay purchases come 30 days after I won them. |
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| 03:17:47 | advcomp2019 | Byron, yea.. by the way mine is an e280R if you wanted to know |
| 03:18:11 | Byron | what does that mean? I only just started researching this today. |
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| 03:20:24 | advcomp2019 | mine is the 8gb e200 series basically |
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| 03:24:38 | Byron | ah, that's great! |
| 03:25:02 | Byron | if you private me your info... paypal or whatever... we can work something out |
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| 03:28:10 | BHX | Can anyone help with an iPod 80 issue? |
| 03:29:44 | advcomp2019 | Byron, you got my private message? |
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| 03:44:47 | krazykit | BHX, just ask your question |
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| 04:01:24 | BHX | sorry, wasn't paying attention |
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| 04:01:38 | BHX | is there any way to fix corrupt sectors on an iPod? |
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| 04:22:45 | cool_walking_ | Not "fix", but mark them as bad so that they don't get written to: chkdsk on windows, or fsck.vfat on Linux. |
| 04:30:04 | BHX | are the commands for fsck the same as mkfs? |
| 04:31:15 | cool_walking_ | ah what? those programs do different things |
| 04:31:45 | cool_walking_ | fsck.vfat -at /dev/blah should do you |
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| 04:32:24 | cool_walking_ | Make sure it's not mounted at the time, and you'll probably need to be root. |
| 04:33:43 | BHX | cool thanks |
| 04:33:59 | BHX | and that'll just mark the bad sectors as corrupt? |
| 04:34:03 | cool_walking_ | yeah |
| 04:34:14 | cool_walking_ | err actually it'll also try to fix filesystem issues |
| 04:34:38 | cool_walking_ | just read the fsck.vfat manpage |
| 04:38:31 | BHX | thanks :) |
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| 05:14:09 | PDF_Format | Hello. |
| 05:14:12 | PDF_Format | is anyone here? |
| 05:14:41 | PDF_Format | i just registered to the wiki, and it informs me that to get permission to edit the wiki i have to come to this channel and ask permission, so here i am, asking :) |
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| 05:15:58 | PDF_Format | i registered as DavidDineenPorter |
| 05:16:01 | PDF_Format | hmm. |
| 05:16:16 | JdGordon | hang on... |
| 05:16:18 | PDF_Format | i will patiently sit in channel, but whomever is in charge please drop me a PM if possible later |
| 05:16:21 | PDF_Format | oh hi |
| 05:17:14 | JdGordon | done |
| 05:17:55 | PDF_Format | fantastic |
| 05:18:49 | PDF_Format | I'm going to update the NSF codec page. The NSF playback routine on rockbox doesn't support the extended sound channels of various MMC chips and famicom disk system, so i felt that shoul dbe included. |
| 05:18:56 | PDF_Format | would you object to that? |
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| 05:23:34 | Llorean | Factual, relevant information is always welcome. Please, check after you post it (or better yet, use the preview function) to make sure the formatting doesn't accidentally end up all weird. |
| 05:23:48 | Llorean | TWiki isn't everyone's bailiwick and sometimes you can end up with unexpected results. :) |
| 05:28:59 | PDF_Format | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecNSF |
| 05:29:00 | PDF_Format | here is my edit |
| 05:29:13 | PDF_Format | it looks good in my browser, but if there's a problem, let me know |
| 05:30:14 | krazykit | looks fine here :) |
| 05:30:25 | PDF_Format | i aim to please, and i hope that someone from the NESDEV of 2a03 communities takes it upon themself to help provide complete NSF emulation for rockbox.. that would REALLY be a treat :) |
| 05:30:27 | Llorean | Looks fine. |
| 05:30:59 | PDF_Format | as it is now, being able to play the american soundtracks is also great.. but some of those extended channel soundtracks are.. you kow.. my favourites :) |
| 05:31:14 | PDF_Format | have a good night |
| 05:31:19 | PDF_Format | if its night where youa re |
| 05:31:25 | PDF_Format | and a good morning if its morning where you are |
| 05:31:26 | PDF_Format | TTYL |
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| 05:36:52 | webguest | hello. anyone here using kugel build on e200? |
| 05:37:17 | krazykit | webguest, that build is unsupported here. |
| 05:37:36 | krazykit | if you want support, you need to use the latest official build from the rockbox.org homepage. |
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| 05:39:18 | Administrator_ | hello. anyone here using kugel build on e200? |
| 05:39:42 | scorche | unsupported builds are...unsupported... |
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| 05:40:13 | | Nick guest is now known as Guest55 (n=chatzill@67.233.201.84) |
| 05:40:44 | Guest55 | I realize they are unsupported...is it againt the rules to discuss them with other people using them though? |
| 05:41:32 | Llorean | This channel is on-topic for the official version of Rockbox. |
| 05:41:33 | Llorean | So yes. |
| 05:41:48 | Guest55 | Is there a channel for unsupported builds? |
| 05:41:50 | Llorean | We ask that you take any problems with other people's builds to the people who provide them for you. |
| 05:43:02 | Guest55 | ok, can I ask this then...can I just delete the .rockbox folder and drop the official build back on? |
| 05:43:15 | Guest55 | to revert back that is. |
| 05:43:19 | Llorean | Yes |
| 05:43:51 | Guest55 | are all patches for rockbox unsupported? |
| 05:44:08 | Llorean | Yes. When something becomes supported, it gets included. |
| 05:44:17 | Llorean | So it's no longer a patch at that point. |
| 05:44:36 | Guest55 | I see, thanks. |
| 05:44:37 | scorche | although development talk of patches is allowed |
| 05:45:19 | scorche | at the point of that build though, that is far beyond just "a patch" |
| 05:45:48 | Llorean | Yes, if you're trying to work with the patch itself, or improve on it, or otherwise modify for yourself from the original official source, that's relevant. But we don't provide support for problems you have with the build after the compile. Patches should be tested individually, and problems with them taken up with the developer(s) interested/working on that one patch. |
| 05:47:00 | Guest55 | And there is just one supported build, nothing like stable, testing, unstable? |
| 05:47:22 | Llorean | Consider the one supported build "unstable" :) |
| 05:47:32 | Llorean | There is no current Stable / Release version |
| 05:49:00 | Guest55 | Thanks |
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| 06:05:19 | JdGordon | fs#5407 was implemented already wasnt it? (battery status in usb mode) |
| 06:07:27 | Llorean | I *think* so |
| 06:08:43 | * | JdGordon found his h300 |
| 06:08:46 | JdGordon | looks like it has been |
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| 06:20:58 | toffe82 | jhMikeS: ping |
| 06:29:25 | Diabolic-Destiny | hi? |
| 06:30:23 | toffe82 | hi |
| 06:30:44 | Diabolic-Destiny | I got a little question, |
| 06:31:03 | Diabolic-Destiny | my database has multiple entires of the same song |
| 06:31:20 | Diabolic-Destiny | for example Adams Apple - Blink 182 is listed like 5 times |
| 06:32:19 | Llorean | Have you checked their properties to make sure there's not more than one of the file? (Often in the recycle bin) |
| 06:33:35 | Diabolic-Destiny | how do i do that? |
| 06:34:26 | Diabolic-Destiny | There is also a lenghty list of songs which are <untagged> yet all my songs have a minium Track tag |
| 06:34:35 | Llorean | What did you use to tag them? |
| 06:34:45 | Llorean | And I believe properties is in the context menu. |
| 06:35:34 | Llorean | Oh, apparently not in the database. |
| 06:35:46 | Diabolic-Destiny | I used MediaMonkey to tag |
| 06:36:06 | Llorean | It looks like you'll have to insert all the duplicates into a playlist, then go to the playlist viewer. From there you can change it to show the full path, and see if the paths are identical |
| 06:36:31 | Llorean | Diabolic-Destiny: <untagged> will be for the category you're in. So if you're in Album, if they don't have an Album tag, they'll be under <untagged> there |
| 06:37:22 | Diabolic-Destiny | yes but the category im in is always Tracks hence my question, as for the duplicates when i go to G:\MUSIC\Blink-182\Enema of the State there is no duplicate song |
| 06:37:49 | Llorean | That's not what I asked you to do, though |
| 06:38:08 | Llorean | The duplicate could be in the hidden recycle bin, or elsewhere. |
| 06:38:15 | Diabolic-Destiny | i'll try what you suggested, can you walk me through as to how to do that |
| 06:38:22 | Diabolic-Destiny | how do i create a playlist? |
| 06:38:40 | Llorean | In the context menu, there's an option: "insert" |
| 06:38:55 | Llorean | Just highlight each song you want to add, and choose it. The first song you do this to will start playback if music isn't already playing. |
| 06:39:44 | Diabolic-Destiny | k so the song is playing, how do i add to playlist? |
| 06:40:22 | Llorean | Go to each song, move the selector over the song, go to the context menu, and choose insert... like i just said. |
| 06:40:50 | Llorean | On most players the context menu is reached by a long press on select. |
| 06:41:07 | Llorean | And you need to do this for each of the duplicates. |
| 06:41:38 | Diabolic-Destiny | oh thats the context menu, k i will try that |
| 06:41:46 | Diabolic-Destiny | as for the <untagged> under tracks any idea? |
| 06:42:12 | Llorean | What format are their tags in? |
| 06:42:43 | Diabolic-Destiny | about 95% sure its ie3v2 |
| 06:42:46 | Diabolic-Destiny | id3v2* |
| 06:42:59 | Llorean | Then I'd double-check with another tagging program. |
| 06:43:15 | Llorean | Generally speaking, any time someone's had a similar problem they've found out that it's been a problem with their tags. |
| 06:43:41 | Llorean | If you verify them, file a bug report and maybe an expert can contact you to have a look at one of your problem files. |
| 06:43:42 | Diabolic-Destiny | hmm, maybe these songs aren't in my MediaMonkey Database |
| 06:43:53 | Diabolic-Destiny | because all those are tagged |
| 06:44:21 | Llorean | I don't know about MediaMonkey |
| 06:44:33 | Llorean | I do know that some songs will let you add information to the database without syncing it to the file tags. |
| 06:44:45 | advcomp2019 | Diabolic-Destiny, try MP3Tag.. i use that and found a few issues with my music |
| 06:45:09 | Diabolic-Destiny | Yea i've used it never liked it, i found MM much easier due to the scripts it has |
| 06:45:15 | * | Llorean has never, ever had a tag not show up in Rockbox, for what it's worth. |
| 06:45:30 | Diabolic-Destiny | Llorean: what do i do after creating playlist |
| 06:45:46 | Diabolic-Destiny | how do i get it to show path? |
| 06:46:13 | Llorean | Go to the Playlist->View current playlist option from the main menu |
| 06:46:28 | Diabolic-Destiny | yup |
| 06:46:34 | Llorean | Then, when you're looking at the playlist, press the button for the menu, choose "track display" and then have it show the full path |
| 06:47:34 | Diabolic-Destiny | sorry whats the menu button for sansa |
| 06:47:44 | Llorean | Don't know. |
| 06:47:52 | Llorean | Check the Rockbox manual for the playlist viewer controls |
| 06:47:52 | Diabolic-Destiny | nvm |
| 06:48:32 | Llorean | Please try to use real words here. We ask that you do this so that the channel is usable for non-native speakers, and for people with screen readers. |
| 06:49:35 | Diabolic-Destiny | Oh, okay sorry about that |
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| 06:50:15 | Diabolic-Destiny | strange when I go to full path it shows the same path for the duplicates |
| 06:50:57 | Llorean | Well, assuming you did everything right, then you probably should just re-initialize the database and see if that clears them up |
| 06:51:35 | Llorean | Initialize Now is an option in the context menu on "Database" in the main menu |
| 06:51:43 | Diabolic-Destiny | okay doing that now, one question how long does this initialize take |
| 06:52:02 | Diabolic-Destiny | well, that fixed it |
| 06:52:03 | Llorean | It depends on too many things to really be able to guess well. |
| 06:52:04 | Diabolic-Destiny | thank you good sir |
| 06:53:40 | Diabolic-Destiny | um now im getting a random no codec for: /MUSIC/Artist/Album/title.MP3 |
| 06:53:53 | Diabolic-Destiny | with the artist/album/title changing |
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| 06:54:13 | Diabolic-Destiny | let me try a reboot |
| 06:55:07 | Diabolic-Destiny | okay doing so led to duplicates of each son |
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| 06:55:39 | Diabolic-Destiny | i'll try the reinitilize thing again |
| 06:57:32 | Diabolic-Destiny | now when trying to play <untagged> i get Data abort at 000082bc (0) |
| 06:57:39 | Diabolic-Destiny | other than that everything seems fine |
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| 07:26:35 | pondlife | preglow: Regarding merging the pcf50605/50606 code - are you aware oif http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7814 - it might not help, but I can confirm the patch works on H300. |
| 07:29:28 | Llorean | pondlife: When the clock is unset, the Date in the time/date screen will show the date of your build (so you don't have to scroll as far to get forward to "today") |
| 07:29:40 | Llorean | This may relate to your comment on the task re "the date is correct" if you're a frequent user of up to date builds. |
| 07:30:11 | pondlife | Llorean: What are you referring to? |
| 07:30:35 | Llorean | In your last comment on that flyspray task you said the time shows as unset, but the date is correct. |
| 07:30:53 | pondlife | Ah, I see. |
| 07:30:55 | Llorean | I was trying to mention that when the date is unset, it may appear correct if the date is still the same as the day the build was compiled. |
| 07:31:04 | pondlife | So the date is also unset.... |
| 07:31:08 | Llorean | Very probably |
| 07:31:26 | pondlife | Why do we do that? Not very logical, IMHO |
| 07:32:14 | Llorean | How do you mean? |
| 07:32:32 | pondlife | I'd rather know my date is unset.. |
| 07:32:42 | pondlife | (on an RTC target, at least) |
| 07:32:49 | Llorean | The date will still be unset anywhere else |
| 07:32:53 | pondlife | Ah, ok. |
| 07:33:00 | Llorean | Just upon entry of that screen is it set to the build date. |
| 07:33:02 | Llorean | If unset. |
| 07:33:15 | pondlife | Sorry, just woke up.. it's 6am here. |
| 07:33:20 | Llorean | No worries. |
| 07:33:32 | Llorean | I wasn't exactly clear that it was entering the screen where this happens (afaik) |
| 07:33:56 | pondlife | I've put a comment on. |
| 07:34:38 | * | Llorean has no X5/M5/H300, so really has no other comment. :) |
| 07:34:46 | pondlife | Haven't tried that patch in quite a while to be honest, just thought it might be something shotofadds and/or preglow should be aware of, in case they weren't. |
| 07:35:38 | Llorean | Probably so |
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| 07:47:37 | pondlife | Llorean: You're not from Hoston, are you? ;-) |
| 07:48:13 | Llorean | Houston? |
| 07:48:18 | Llorean | I'm now living fairly near Houston, yes. |
| 07:48:26 | pondlife | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16553.msg123362;topicseen#msg123362 |
| 07:48:33 | pondlife | nm... |
| 07:49:20 | Llorean | I suppose I ought to update my location on Rasher's map at some point. |
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| 08:57:33 | rp- | Hi! I good need some testers for FS #8925, you need to have a player with a color lcd. |
| 08:57:49 | rp- | -good +could |
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| 10:15:58 | preglow | pondlife: was aware of it indeed |
| 10:16:12 | pondlife | OK, no problem |
| 10:16:13 | preglow | i'm a bit puzzled why that hasn't been commited yet |
| 10:16:28 | pondlife | Because it loses the date/time occasionally? |
| 10:16:53 | pondlife | Also because the 505/506 code could be shared more? |
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| 10:20:31 | preglow | it should indeed |
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| 10:27:07 | preglow | would be nice to find out what the actual differences between the two are, though |
| 10:29:54 | amiconn | Just check the datasheet.... |
| 10:29:58 | preglow | i did |
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| 10:30:19 | preglow | the two even seem to have the same datasheet, but i didn't find any mention on differences |
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| 10:31:15 | amiconn | It is |
| 10:32:19 | amiconn | page 8 |
| 10:32:58 | preglow | hm |
| 10:33:21 | preglow | that looks quite good for merging the drivers |
| 10:33:34 | preglow | targets shouldn't access the parts that their pcf doesn't have anyway |
| 10:36:18 | preglow | should i2c access always disable interrupts? |
| 10:37:27 | gevaerts | Actually, speaking of VS, does its editor have something like vim's %, which jumps to matching braces ? |
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| 10:47:04 | amiconn | preglow: No, only on targets where it's necessary (i.e. where the pcf must be read from within isr(s)) |
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| 10:48:58 | preglow | i wonder why the 50606 rtc driver disables interrupts |
| 10:51:11 | pondlife | I wonder if the H300 RTC being lost was already fixed - http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=15122 |
| 10:51:33 | pondlife | I guess I should test it again |
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| 11:25:56 | XavierGr | pondlife: actually yeah it was waiting someone to combine them and clean it up regarding the H300 rtc |
| 11:26:20 | XavierGr | I didn't bother much with it since I couldn't make it loose the date/time (didn't try very hard though) |
| 11:26:44 | XavierGr | also there was no point at the time because of old bootlaoders |
| 11:27:28 | XavierGr | though still RTC can't work on H300 because the official bootloader doesn't support it |
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| 11:29:25 | preglow | what about x5? |
| 11:30:06 | XavierGr | I am not sure if the bootloader supports it |
| 11:30:47 | XavierGr | at least the official one |
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| 12:10:51 | JdGordon | amiconn: I dont suppose youve drawn up your thoughts for the viewported quickscreen have yoiu? |
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| 12:14:05 | mrkiko | Aniway I'm happy I can communicate one fact to the community - disabling voice I don't have any crash in the file browser :) |
| 12:14:24 | mrkiko | Aniway, playback crashes some times with autochange dir enabled and with a fast "prev" sequence back |
| 12:15:00 | Llorean | mrkiko: With what SVN revision? |
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| 12:18:47 | mrkiko | r17209 | rob | 2008-04-21 22:16:18 +0200 (Mon, 21 Apr 2008) | 1 line |
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| 12:19:56 | Llorean | Where did you paste that from? |
| 12:20:03 | Llorean | Are you compiling your own build? |
| 12:20:13 | mrkiko | Yes, I'm compiling myself |
| 12:20:16 | mrkiko | from the svn log |
| 12:20:25 | Llorean | Does your build have any patches? |
| 12:20:30 | mrkiko | no |
| 12:20:39 | mrkiko | I don't ever know what patches I can appy to a build :) |
| 12:20:45 | Llorean | Why don't you use the official SVN build then? |
| 12:21:44 | mrkiko | For no particular reason: may be for my hope to have the bug which may freeze my player the day starting when i build. |
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| 12:22:26 | Llorean | mrkiko: When you say "playback crash", what exactly do you mean happens? |
| 12:23:16 | mrkiko | The song is going: I press several time the "previous track" key. |
| 12:23:25 | mrkiko | the play stops playing and the disk is going... |
| 12:23:46 | mrkiko | at this point, all freezes - the disk remains active and the player should be reset... |
| 12:24:16 | Llorean | Do you know if there's an error message? |
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| 12:24:41 | mrkiko | I know that no error message is printed. |
| 12:25:21 | Llorean | What does display on the screen then? Does the elapsed time cease progressing? Does the backlight continue to function or not? |
| 12:25:51 | mrkiko | I hould inform myself. |
| 12:26:03 | mrkiko | the last time the person said that "nothing is happening" |
| 12:26:15 | mrkiko | but I forgot to ask exactly what was happening |
| 12:27:20 | mrkiko | I would like to use even another rockboxable player just to see if it's a target problem or not. |
| 12:27:45 | mrkiko | It seems I'm the only one having his bug |
| 12:28:46 | Llorean | Which suggests it's one of three things: Your player, your songs, or your build environment. The first thing I would do is start downloading the precompiled build, and see if it still happens. Least work. |
| 12:29:24 | mrkiko | My songs are typically |
| 12:29:39 | mrkiko | high quality (320 kbps, cause I have a sensible pair of hearts) |
| 12:29:55 | mrkiko | and in many cases I have various songs with different bitrates |
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| 12:33:26 | tyfoo | hey |
| 12:33:43 | mrkiko | tyfoo: ? |
| 12:34:27 | preglow | anyone know who maintains/maintained the vmware image? |
| 12:34:33 | tyfoo | ive just one question. i would like to patch the milkmod to play MOD files on my ipod mini 2nd gen. i found a howto (patchig) but i cant find any CSV and i dont know hot to compile a rockbox biuld that i can use on my ipod |
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| 12:35:04 | tyfoo | isnt there any plugin like *.rock ? |
| 12:35:36 | Llorean | preglow: It's been updated by different people each time I think? |
| 12:35:43 | Llorean | I think scorche was the latest. |
| 12:35:59 | GodEater | I think so too |
| 12:36:01 | Llorean | tyfoo: have you read the page called SimpleGuideToCompiling? |
| 12:36:24 | tyfoo | no, ill look for. but first i need the newest CVS i think |
| 12:36:38 | Llorean | We use SVN. |
| 12:36:48 | Llorean | If you read that page, you'll find out a lot more, including how to download the source code. |
| 12:37:05 | tyfoo | do u mean this? http://download.rockbox.org/daily/source/rockbox.7z - i downloaded the file, but i dont understand anything i saw inside |
| 12:37:06 | mrkiko | right |
| 12:37:25 | tyfoo | much work just for playing a MOD file. but okay... |
| 12:37:27 | Llorean | tyfoo: I mean "read the SimpleGuideToCompiling page" |
| 12:37:36 | tyfoo | k |
| 12:37:37 | Llorean | You aren't going to figure things out blindly. |
| 12:37:40 | gevaerts | tyfoo: please use real english words |
| 12:38:00 | tyfoo | sorry, my english isn that good |
| 12:38:30 | gevaerts | tyfoo: I mean, don't use "u" or "k". |
| 12:38:35 | tyfoo | okay |
| 12:38:48 | mrkiko | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/source/rockbox.7z is a 7z file |
| 12:38:52 | mrkiko | you should uncompress it |
| 12:38:54 | mrkiko | and the nread the doc |
| 12:39:14 | mrkiko | (the one you find in the wiki) |
| 12:39:16 | Llorean | mrkiko: Actually, he'd be much better off downloading directly from SVn. |
| 12:39:24 | Llorean | Which is why I recommended he read the page first. |
| 12:39:29 | tyfoo | yes, I uncompressed it. is this the file i need for applying a *.patch file? |
| 12:39:44 | pixelma | tyfoo: the page explains a lot. Regarding playing mod you could also try the mod codec patch instead (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8680) - but you need to be able to compile too |
| 12:39:50 | tyfoo | I am still searching for the page... |
| 12:40:06 | Llorean | tyfoo: It's in the wiki. Just type SimpleGuideToCompiling in the go to box. |
| 12:40:15 | preglow | perhaps i should just bloody install cygwin... |
| 12:40:16 | tyfoo | okay, ill try |
| 12:40:29 | tyfoo | i already installed cygwin |
| 12:40:31 | Llorean | preglow: Sure, why not. It only takes 3 times as long. :-P |
| 12:40:39 | preglow | Llorean: yeah, and is slow and ugly |
| 12:41:02 | * | Llorean prefers "ssh into a linux box over there" to any of the suggested methods. |
| 12:41:23 | preglow | it's such a goddamn bother to transfer builds all the time when coding |
| 12:42:04 | rp- | preglow: slow maybe, but you can have it really pretty if you install an ssh server and use putty as console |
| 12:42:10 | Llorean | You could mount a samba share, and store the source on it? |
| 12:42:31 | preglow | i just discovered i can edit the vmwave sources with gvim over samba |
| 12:42:33 | preglow | so i'll just stick to this |
| 12:42:38 | preglow | vmware... |
| 12:43:23 | * | mrkiko feels happy he is using Linux |
| 12:43:31 | mrkiko | I should escape... |
| 12:43:44 | preglow | i ordinarily use linux, but not nwo |
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| 12:46:11 | tyfoo | if i download the daily build from here (http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml) ill get a precompiled ".rockbox"-folder *confused* |
| 12:46:34 | preglow | why is that confusing? |
| 12:47:09 | tyfoo | i think i need the sourcecode to modify with the .patch-file and compiling |
| 12:47:55 | tyfoo | im following a tutorial and he is applying the patch-file directly to the sourcecode |
| 12:48:27 | Llorean | Read all the text. |
| 12:48:37 | Llorean | It tells you about the difference between the daily and bleeding edge source code... |
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| 12:49:05 | tyfoo | it seems to be very difficult to play a MOD-file :S |
| 12:49:27 | GodEater | unless Bagder fixed it yet, the .7z source tarball is quite a way behind svn now |
| 12:50:31 | GodEater | and it doesn't look fixed yet to me |
| 12:52:14 | tyfoo | isn't there any "copy-to-the-rockboxfolder-and-use" file (like *.rock) to play a MOD or a MIDI file? |
| 12:52:21 | Llorean | No. |
| 12:52:25 | tyfoo | :( |
| 12:52:30 | Llorean | .rock files *have* to be compiled specifically for different players. |
| 12:52:39 | Llorean | And they have to match the version of Rockbox on the player in many cases. |
| 12:52:39 | tyfoo | ah i understand |
| 12:53:27 | tyfoo | so i think i have to wait untile the developers include the codec into rockbox. im not able to do so. |
| 12:53:43 | preglow | hopefully won't be long |
| 12:53:50 | pixelma | but you can already play midi files - the midiplay plugin is already included. Depending on your player it might not work that well though |
| 12:54:06 | tyfoo | i would like to test this *search* |
| 12:56:30 | pixelma | tyfoo: except you have one of the old Archos players |
| 12:57:04 | * | Llorean thought he said he had a mini. |
| 12:57:11 | tyfoo | yes, 2nd gen |
| 12:57:39 | tyfoo | i found the "MikMod" and the sourcecode of the midiplay-plugin only. |
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| 13:00:02 | tyfoo | ah, its name sould be "midplay", but i only find forums, where people told they like midplay. but how to get it now? |
| 13:00:27 | pixelma | try the wiki "search" link which is left of the "go" box in the wiki... |
| 13:00:46 | tyfoo | okay |
| 13:00:49 | Llorean | It is midiplay, and it's included. |
| 13:01:22 | Llorean | But you still need to set install a few extra files it needs, which are covered in the wiki. |
| 13:01:36 | * | Llorean thinks it's the SoundCodecs page. |
| 13:01:46 | tyfoo | if i dont have to patch and compile, it would be no problem |
| 13:02:40 | pixelma | Llorean: ? PluginMidiPlay - it's not a codec yet |
| 13:03:10 | * | DerPapst can't wait to try out midi on the beast :-) |
| 13:03:54 | tyfoo | okay, i found. but (if i understand correctly) i have to compile. and if i have to compile, i should use MikMod instead of midiplay, because it plays more formats? |
| 13:04:05 | Llorean | pixelma: Yes, but it's still linked to from the SoundCodecs page. Which is where the patchset used to live (apparently not any more) |
| 13:04:13 | tyfoo | DerPapst: are u german? |
| 13:04:20 | DerPapst | yes |
| 13:04:22 | Llorean | tyfoo: Remember, please don't use "u" |
| 13:04:28 | Llorean | tyfoo: You do not have to compile. |
| 13:04:31 | tyfoo | ah okay, thank you |
| 13:04:37 | pixelma | tyfoo: the Ipods are one of those that don't play midi too well though, but you might have luck with relative simple midis (few instruments) |
| 13:05:00 | DerPapst | just browse your ipod for the midi and click on it in the filebrwoser |
| 13:05:08 | Llorean | DerPapst: You need the patchset |
| 13:05:19 | pixelma | Llorean: ah, didn't know that |
| 13:05:43 | DerPapst | Llorean: true.. i've installed them everywhere so i forgot :-P |
| 13:06:34 | tyfoo | DerPapst: i'm german too, may you help me in german in a private channel? i want to get this ready today :D |
| 13:07:08 | tyfoo | hmm, i need a midi patchset including the instruments. |
| 13:08:54 | Llorean | tyfoo: The PluginMidiPlay page should have all the info you need. |
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| 13:13:06 | tyfoo | its working, but i get "Buffer miss"-errors and it sounds terrible. i tested 10 different midi-files. |
| 13:14:05 | DerPapst | tyfoo: maybe the midi file is too complex |
| 13:14:29 | Llorean | tyfoo: As was mentioned, iPods are quite slow and so most midis do not play well. |
| 13:14:42 | Llorean | It still needs a lot of work |
| 13:14:57 | tyfoo | the last file i got this error had 10 channels. is that really to much? |
| 13:15:46 | Llorean | If you get buffer misses, it's too much. |
| 13:16:24 | tyfoo | okay hmm.... * deleting patchset* - maybe XMs or MODs can be played without errors. |
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| 13:26:09 | disorganizer | jdgordon: i saw you commited some viewportifications. only internal work or is it already possible to customize those? |
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| 13:56:07 | B4gder | the entire Swedish trio is officially going to devcon |
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| 14:02:41 | petur | wooot |
| 14:03:11 | petur | B4gder: that is nice to hear |
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| 14:05:08 | B4gder | we should redo that list of names in the wiki page to become people who intend to show up |
| 14:06:50 | * | petur goes to clean it up |
| 14:06:57 | B4gder | great |
| 14:11:28 | petur | ok, I already listed the people who I'm pretty sure want to come, the rest should move themselves to the list |
| 14:11:41 | * | petur sees Zagor is not listed |
| 14:12:35 | B4gder | yeah, and it'll help if everyone will also list their arrival/departure info at least roughly once that starts to get known |
| 14:12:55 | petur | shall I add Zagor? |
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| 14:13:05 | B4gder | it's good to know when the people need to start worrying about people who've got lost ;-) |
| 14:13:17 | * | B4gder does not in anyway think of lostlogic and Cassandra :-) |
| 14:13:27 | B4gder | yes do that |
| 14:19:01 | B4gder | so 10 people atm |
| 14:20:19 | petur | I think Maurus will also come knowing he has a lift ;) |
| 14:21:01 | B4gder | well, I assume the number will raise somewhat more when people start to edit this |
| 14:21:32 | petur | I now added the people who told here they will come, I assume they will remove themselves if I made an error |
| 14:21:42 | petur | s/now// |
| 14:22:47 | * | petur thinks two 6-people rooms for sleeping would be great ;) |
| 14:23:00 | B4gder | yeah |
| 14:23:33 | petur | unless you can rent houses in Berlin for the weekend - in Belgium it is called 'Gîtes' |
| 14:25:09 | B4gder | we're also discussing to sponsor all (devs) attending from the fund with some amount |
| 14:25:15 | B4gder | like last year |
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| 14:25:50 | * | JdGordon puts his name down for a tshirt.. even if he cant make either of the cons |
| 14:25:52 | B4gder | and we're trying to decide what kind of shirt we want! ;-) |
| 14:26:10 | pondlife | Black - Cabbie2 style |
| 14:26:28 | pondlife | With album art, natch |
| 14:26:33 | B4gder | haha |
| 14:27:10 | pondlife | I want to preserve the retro/rarity value of my Rockbox-blue shirt... :) |
| 14:27:21 | petur | I would not object to that amount being variable (ie making it depending on your actual cost). If we come by car with three people,we'll be pretty cheap ;) |
| 14:27:44 | B4gder | petur: yes, I thought about that too |
| 14:27:57 | * | gevaerts agrees |
| 14:28:09 | * | pondlife is really wanting to do DevCon.... sure you can't move the date...? :/ |
| 14:28:09 | * | petur wonders which t-shirts to take to devcon: last years, the year before that or the gsoc07 ;) |
| 14:28:21 | B4gder | haha |
| 14:28:29 | JdGordon | umm... alll 3? |
| 14:28:37 | * | gevaerts doesn't have that kind of choice |
| 14:28:38 | JdGordon | you dont have to be an unwashed geek :p |
| 14:28:50 | petur | taking all three would mean less room for beer in the car :p |
| 14:29:01 | JdGordon | fair point :D |
| 14:29:07 | pondlife | Unless perhaps you presoaked them |
| 14:29:16 | pondlife | i.e. both shirt and beer carrier |
| 14:30:03 | * | petur hates being dirty but is not the clean freak type that showers 1+ times a day. Nature deserves some rest too |
| 14:30:14 | B4gder | Rockbox beer glasses would be fun, but awkward to bring |
| 14:30:17 | JdGordon | B4gder: is the committee going to be discussed again or left for devcon? |
| 14:30:30 | B4gder | I don't know, it feels like perhaps devcon material |
| 14:30:32 | pondlife | Anyway, I'm getting really fed up with the mere existence of daily builds |
| 14:30:35 | petur | would be nice topic for devcon |
| 14:30:51 | * | petur feels slow |
| 14:39:59 | * | pixelma would only advise against orange shirts - that colour is assigned to the sanitation department here :) |
| 14:40:20 | B4gder | haha |
| 14:40:27 | * | gevaerts proposes to print the manual on the shirts |
| 14:41:35 | gevaerts | Maybe a screenshot of 1drockblox on the back :) |
| 14:42:23 | petur | maybe a group pic of all supported targets ;) |
| 14:42:41 | petur | and some text: Free Your Player! |
| 14:42:59 | * | gevaerts points at the word "supported", and looks at pixelma |
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| 15:36:10 | MartinR | Does anyone like to have a look at my patch in FS #8663? |
| 15:36:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | MartinR: Let me take a look. |
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| 15:59:54 | Sjano | how do i edit tags on music on rocketbox? |
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| 16:00:11 | petur | you can't, use a pc |
| 16:00:38 | petur | and it is called 'rockbox' ;) |
| 16:01:23 | Sjano | rockbox* |
| 16:01:25 | Sjano | hehe |
| 16:01:51 | * | DerPapst prefers rocketbox and suggests to rename the project |
| 16:01:56 | Sjano | but mine finds over 9000 music files, and i only got 6000 |
| 16:02:19 | DerPapst | Sjano: what player do you have? |
| 16:02:24 | Sjano | ipod |
| 16:02:32 | DerPapst | got any apple games installed? |
| 16:02:35 | Sjano | it finds music i've deleted |
| 16:02:39 | Sjano | hmm.. no |
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| 16:02:49 | alienbiker99 | the music wasnt actually deleted |
| 16:02:56 | DerPapst | then you didn't delete then "correctly" |
| 16:02:58 | DerPapst | :-P |
| 16:03:30 | Sjano | their atleast not-viewable-from-explorer deleted |
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| 16:03:49 | DerPapst | did you use itunes to delete them? |
| 16:05:24 | Sjano | yes, and other ipod programs |
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| 16:06:08 | DerPapst | then i guess there still in /iPod_Control/Music/Fxx/yyyy.zzz :-P |
| 16:06:08 | Sjano | like sharepod and yamipod |
| 16:06:44 | Sjano | H:\iPod_Control\Music\ contains 6300, rockbox finds around 9000... |
| 16:07:15 | DerPapst | can you play the one you've deleted? |
| 16:07:25 | DerPapst | *ones |
| 16:07:33 | Sjano | yepp |
| 16:07:51 | alienbiker99 | i dont remember if there is a folder inside music that has the deleted files, but try looking for it |
| 16:08:01 | scorche | preglow: yeah...as far as the main image, i did the past couple ones....a new image is on my list though (one that will be a complete, updated re-do instead of a hack upon existing ones) |
| 16:08:04 | DerPapst | maybe the tools yo used moved them somewhere else instead of fully deleting them |
| 16:10:13 | preglow | scorche: would be cool with a recentish distro :) |
| 16:10:21 | preglow | amiconn: are 1 and 2gs the only ipods with no pcf? |
| 16:10:26 | scorche | preglow: dont enjoy 2.4? ;) |
| 16:10:39 | preglow | scorche: it's more the fact that all repos are broken since stable is now etch |
| 16:11:04 | scorche | yeah...it is getting ancient... |
| 16:11:27 | gevaerts | Sjano: from the context menu while playing, you can find out the path to the current file |
| 16:12:18 | * | DerPapst wonders what happens if he tries to draw outside of a viewport... |
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| 16:12:53 | * | DerPapst expects fancy explosions and stuff |
| 16:13:50 | * | petur expects clipping |
| 16:13:58 | * | LambdaCalculus37 expects the tearing of the fabric of space and time |
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| 16:15:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | petur: Hey, I wasn't done reading that! :P |
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| 16:15:26 | * | petur hands book bak - already have it |
| 16:15:30 | petur | *back |
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| 16:16:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | DerPapst: In all seriousness, expect clipping. |
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| 16:17:13 | * | petur wants to change the panic handler into a BSOD :) |
| 16:17:14 | DerPapst | yep.. gets cut off |
| 16:17:23 | DerPapst | hahaha |
| 16:17:30 | DerPapst | that would be cool :-D |
| 16:19:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | petur: Why not something cool, like a Guru Meditation or a Sad Rockbox? :) |
| 16:20:16 | petur | because it still is a panic handler... |
| 16:25:13 | preglow | sad rockbox :P |
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| 16:26:04 | alienbiker99 | will viewports on the playback control menus be able to make it so that you can browse files/database while still in the plugin? |
| 16:27:18 | DerPapst | no. this just that you can put the playback control menu like it is in jewels or solitare in a viewport. |
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| 16:47:26 | preglow | amiconn: the pp i2c driver seems to disable interrupts on the driver level, should this be moved to only happen in the places where we know it matters? |
| 16:50:50 | BHSPitMonkey | Bagder, haha |
| 16:51:04 | BHSPitMonkey | Bagder, is the exclamation point in the subject really necessary? :P |
| 16:59:45 | DerPapst | heh... just noticed |
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| 17:09:03 | CPrompt^ | hello all. I have a question about the PictureFlow" plugin. I have an iPod Video 30gb running version r16172-080126 |
| 17:09:28 | CPrompt^ | i put the cover.bmp into the folder and during playing of the album, the cover shows fine |
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| 17:09:29 | DerPapst | you should really update |
| 17:09:44 | CPrompt^ | but in PictureFlow only some of the albums show |
| 17:09:46 | DerPapst | maybe the problem is fixed already |
| 17:10:01 | CPrompt^ | gotcha. Let me update and see if that does it. |
| 17:10:09 | DerPapst | you are like 1000 revisions behind |
| 17:10:45 | CPrompt^ | didn't know that i was that far behind. WOW |
| 17:11:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | It's always wise to stay as up to date as possible, especially when asking for support. |
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| 17:11:32 | CPrompt^ | updating Database now |
| 17:12:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | While we're on the subject of PictureFlow, I have noticed a bit of an issue with it: on my iPod video, cover art will appear associated to albums that have no album art included. |
| 17:13:42 | CPrompt^ | yeah. same deal |
| 17:13:48 | CPrompt^ | actually I lost a couple that were working |
| 17:14:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | My fix was to just drop a generic "NO ALBUM ART" picture into the album folders for which I have no artwork, so that PictureFlow just displays that instead. |
| 17:15:20 | CPrompt^ | well I get an album art with a question mark on it |
| 17:15:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | Mine displays artwork from another album. |
| 17:16:02 | CPrompt^ | ah. strange |
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| 17:16:42 | mcuelenaere | how come in the debug menu button detection is much slower than in other menus? |
| 17:17:06 | * | LambdaCalculus37 shrugs |
| 17:17:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | Is this on the Zen Vision:M? |
| 17:17:31 | pixelma | CPrompt^, LambdaCalculus37: I noticed the problem too when updating database etc. (different number of albums), the "Rebuild cache" to clear the list in pictureflow doesn't seem to work properly. Try deleting the pictureflow directory in .rockbox/rocks/demos - the next time you start pictureflow it'll build everything new. That's the only thing that helped here |
| 17:17:45 | mcuelenaere | LambdaCalculus37: yes, and the problem is I want all the menus to be equally as slow as the debug |
| 17:17:56 | mcuelenaere | btw, all this is on the ZVM as I don't own an other DAP :) |
| 17:18:22 | mcuelenaere | but I can't navigate through menus since if I go down, it selects immediately the lowest menu item |
| 17:18:28 | mcuelenaere | except for the debug menu |
| 17:18:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: I'll try that out right now. |
| 17:18:33 | CPrompt^ | pixelma: thanks. I'll give it a shot |
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| 17:20:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Done. Restarting PictureFlow now. |
| 17:22:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | Now it's working. |
| 17:22:29 | CPrompt^ | pixelma: good stuff! worked for me too. |
| 17:22:32 | CPrompt^ | thanks! |
| 17:22:43 | mcuelenaere | hmm the only possible way in Rockbox to scroll from the first item to the last one is by holding the button, right? |
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| 17:24:50 | * | petur can slide down on his H10 ;) |
| 17:25:06 | DerPapst | petur: \o/ |
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| 17:25:47 | petur | but it is not optimal... I need somebody to explain me those scroll_down events |
| 17:26:13 | Arathis | petur: you mean like _really_ slide? :O |
| 17:26:24 | petur | yes |
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| 17:26:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | petur: \o/ |
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| 17:29:59 | amiconn | mcuelenaere: If you can't go item by item, you must've made a mistake in your button driver |
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| 17:30:19 | mcuelenaere | amiconn: you think so? can't the problem lay for example in the keymaps? |
| 17:30:23 | amiconn | preglow: I have no idea; didn't write the pp i2c driver |
| 17:30:49 | mcuelenaere | amiconn: I can go down item by item in the debug menu... |
| 17:31:18 | amiconn | Possibly. Since the code isn't committed yet, I can't tell for sure |
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| 17:32:41 | mcuelenaere | amiconn: http://pastebin.com/d6dd2619c |
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| 17:35:37 | * | petur advises mcuelenaere against the use of dutch variable names, even in debug code ;) |
| 17:35:45 | amiconn | There is no keymap in that patch |
| 17:35:51 | mcuelenaere | petur: you mean weergvn? :) |
| 17:36:05 | petur | yup |
| 17:36:08 | mcuelenaere | amiconn: sorry, just a sec |
| 17:37:05 | mcuelenaere | http://pastebin.com/d46b6cf71 |
| 17:37:48 | mcuelenaere | ignore the #define BUTTON_REPEAT 0 |
| 17:37:54 | mcuelenaere | that's just testing code |
| 17:38:32 | gevaerts | Shouldn't it be KNOP_HERHAAL then ? |
| 17:38:37 | * | gevaerts ducks |
| 17:38:40 | mcuelenaere | :p |
| 17:39:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | :P |
| 17:39:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: You are a silly person. :) |
| 17:39:48 | * | gevaerts likes easy conventions to distinguish testing code from "real" code |
| 17:40:32 | * | mcuelenaere just mixes the two as he'll removes it when he'll commit the code |
| 17:40:37 | * | pixelma notices that gevaerts now rather ducks instead of running away... getting tired? ;) |
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| 17:41:05 | amiconn | mcuelenaere: Eh, I'm 99% sure #define BUTTON_REPEAT 0 would cause that kind of problem.... |
| 17:41:14 | mcuelenaere | neh, it was present before.. |
| 17:41:38 | mcuelenaere | you'll also see I commented some BUTTON_LEFT|BUTTON_REPEAT out, that didn't work either |
| 17:41:57 | mcuelenaere | I mean the bug was present before (at 17:41:12) |
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| 17:44:35 | mcuelenaere | BTW on http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=HEpG2cqL5vI you'll see the behaviour live |
| 17:44:55 | amiconn | mcuelenaere: If there's no remote, you should #define BUTTON_REMOTE 0 (doesn't have to do with the bug though) |
| 17:45:03 | mcuelenaere | k |
| 17:45:11 | amiconn | BUTTON_REMOTE is a mask that includes all remote buttons |
| 17:46:07 | * | amiconn wonders what these NONBUTTON_* macros are for |
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| 17:46:51 | mcuelenaere | well, since the PIC also reports e.g. headphone inserts/unplugs, tv-out insert/.., power insert/.., etc I have to store them somewhere |
| 17:47:03 | mcuelenaere | and I didn't came up with a better idea than to name them NONBUTTON |
| 17:47:11 | mcuelenaere | maybe DOCK_* is better |
| 17:51:04 | amiconn | Well, that's certainly something button.c doesn't need to know. Hence I wouldn't put it into the .h file |
| 17:51:24 | mcuelenaere | yes, that's why I named it pic-creativezvm.c |
| 17:51:26 | v0yager33733 | I have a 1st gen iPod Nano and am having RoLo problems. I have read the manuals and FAQ but cannot switch back to the original Apple firmware. Please help |
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| 17:52:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-290003.1.3 |
| 17:52:45 | * | LambdaCalculus37 points v0yager33733 to the above link |
| 17:53:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | It's a matter of timing it. |
| 17:54:47 | XavierGr | preglow: if you are interested I can give you a vmware image with the sim crosscompiled for windows. That way with ssh you can do everything (copy paste etc) and run the sim from windows |
| 17:55:48 | * | v0yager33733 goes to link |
| 17:55:49 | XavierGr | works pretty well for me, amiconns idea was wonderfull, unfortunately my image got borked when I tried to shrink it more so I still use amiconn's |
| 17:55:55 | amiconn | mcuelenaere: I mean those NONBUTTON_* macros in button-target.h. They shouldn't be there. They are only internal to the pic driver |
| 17:56:22 | mcuelenaere | ah, I thought they were only in pic-...c |
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| 17:58:46 | v0yager33733 | Thanks! |
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| 18:01:30 | mcuelenaere | I do find it strange because when for example I replace "else{" at l.174 with "else if(false){" in button.c, it keeps going straight down to the last menu item |
| 18:02:30 | mcuelenaere | or when I replace REPEAT_START with a very big number (e.g. 10000000) it still gives me the same behaviour... |
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| 18:25:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | A question about the iPod bootlaoder: What is the latest version number? I think the iPod manuals are behind on the times. |
| 18:25:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-290003.1.3 |
| 18:26:22 | DerPapst | 2.0 iirc |
| 18:26:22 | * | LambdaCalculus37 also remembers a bootloader update back around January or February of 2007 |
| 18:26:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | I want to make sure, because the manual may need fixing. |
| 18:28:51 | * | LambdaCalculus37 fine tunes his LaTeX-fu "skillz" :) |
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| 18:50:15 | preglow | lostlogic: around`? |
| 18:54:03 | preglow | amiconn: i know you didn't write the driver, i just wanted to know if it makes more sense to move irq maskin to a higher level than the i2c driver |
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| 19:36:26 | w1ll14m | is it possible to injext files into nk.bin for beast ? |
| 19:36:35 | w1ll14m | s/injext/inject/ |
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| 19:37:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | w1ll14m: There's a tool in the source for that; mknkboot. |
| 19:37:54 | Nico_P | yes. mknkboot does that |
| 19:38:17 | w1ll14m | aha |
| 19:38:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | You can also roll an nk.bin that's all Rockbox code. |
| 19:38:56 | w1ll14m | i know |
| 19:39:07 | w1ll14m | i want to replace radio.exe with another wince binary.... |
| 19:39:14 | w1ll14m | i want to know what the result would be ;) |
| 19:40:13 | n1s | LambdaCalculus37: you got yours working again? |
| 19:41:21 | amiconn | mcuelenaere: It's quite obvious why your button driver doesn't work like it should |
| 19:42:10 | amiconn | button_read_device() is supposed to return the plain button state (i.e. have a bit set for those buttons which are currently held down, and the other bits unset) |
| 19:42:23 | mcuelenaere | yes? |
| 19:42:32 | amiconn | Repeat and release is handled in button.c with no special code needed |
| 19:42:38 | * | mcuelenaere is dying to find out what the bug is |
| 19:43:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: Nope. Going to ask Doctor toffe if he can look at it for me. :) |
| 19:43:14 | amiconn | However, your driver sets the bit for the last button pressed or released, and keeps that bit set permanently until you press another button |
| 19:43:28 | mcuelenaere | ahhh yes you're right |
| 19:43:34 | amiconn | The problem should be quite easy to fix though |
| 19:43:58 | mcuelenaere | however, remember the driver is interrupt based; no pulling is available atm |
| 19:44:00 | amiconn | (a) do away with BUTTON_LONG. It's unnecessary and confusing |
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| 19:44:12 | amiconn | I know, that doesn't matter at all |
| 19:44:49 | amiconn | (b) initialize 'btn' to 0 (and hell, use an unisgned int instead of short) |
| 19:45:13 | amiconn | (c) change your map_button macro as follows: |
| 19:45:23 | amiconn | #define map_button(BtN,BtN2) case BtN: |
| 19:45:39 | amiconn | btn ^= BtN2; |
| 19:45:41 | amiconn | break; |
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| 19:45:52 | amiconn | case BtN ^ BTN_LONG: |
| 19:46:01 | amiconn | btn |= BtN2; |
| 19:46:03 | amiconn | break; |
| 19:46:23 | amiconn | This already includes the auto-resync on long press |
| 19:47:10 | mcuelenaere | indeed, I get what you mean (and you're right) but it seems the PIC's firmware is more complex than this |
| 19:47:21 | amiconn | That should fix the problem, provided that I correctly understand the way the PIC operates in the ZVM |
| 19:48:09 | mcuelenaere | ah hmm |
| 19:48:27 | mcuelenaere | I'll first test this |
| 19:48:29 | mcuelenaere | just a sec |
| 19:50:43 | amiconn | I guess the debug menu works because it (or its action context) ignores repeat events |
| 19:51:27 | mcuelenaere | at first glance it doesn't seem to be working, but maybe I forgot to tell you something |
| 19:52:48 | mcuelenaere | so for the past few weeks/months I've been using the Rockbox bootloader instead of normal Rockbox |
| 19:53:07 | mcuelenaere | beginning this week, I get Rockbox working on the target but the PIC driver seems to behave differently |
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| 19:53:29 | mcuelenaere | before I got Rockbox working, it behaved like I've told you |
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| 19:54:19 | mcuelenaere | but now it is something like this: I press a button, I get 0x4F00; if I hold the button for about 1/2 sec I get 0x4F01, if I immediately release it before 1/2 sec I also get 0x4F01 |
| 19:54:31 | mcuelenaere | which isn't what the driver expects |
| 19:54:56 | mcuelenaere | so I realise now the PIC is configurable and I have to find out what setting I need to fiddle with |
| 19:55:16 | mcuelenaere | for example, when I boot into Recovery mode and hold the hold switch one; the touchpad stops responding (the PIC doesn't give me the events) |
| 19:55:35 | mcuelenaere | if I reset the device now, and boot into Rockbox I can't read the touchpad |
| 19:55:51 | mcuelenaere | so the PIC can be configured somehow, but I don't (yet) know how |
| 19:56:10 | mcuelenaere | and I think the current button behaviour vs the old behaviour is one of these settings |
| 19:56:15 | mcuelenaere | or I hope so :) |
| 19:56:32 | mcuelenaere | problem is: I can't read PIC assembly as ARM assembly is already tough enough for me |
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| 19:58:43 | amiconn | ARM assembly in itself is pretty straightforward, but RE is always difficult |
| 19:59:27 | amiconn | Does the PIC receive its code from the main CPU, or is it built in? |
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| 20:00:21 | amiconn | I'm asking because the iAudio M3 also uses a PIC for buttons (they just use its 4-channel ADC feature), but the code is flashed into the PIC itself |
| 20:00:42 | mcuelenaere | it receives it's code from the main CPU |
| 20:00:53 | amiconn | (and hrrrm, the i2c implementation of the PIC firmware is *crappy*) |
| 20:01:55 | mcuelenaere | if you look at the firmware package Creative delivers, it contains a flash bootloader, flash rescue mode, hard drive main firmware and PIC firmware (+ some images/text) |
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| 20:02:38 | mcuelenaere | I think the code is flashed into EEPROM or similar |
| 20:02:40 | amiconn | Hmm, then you have 2 possibilities to find out how it works. You can try to disassemble the PIC firmware, and you can disassemble the part of the main firmware that communicates with the PIC |
| 20:02:52 | mcuelenaere | I've been trying both, but didn't came far :) |
| 20:03:57 | mcuelenaere | I know it's all about I²C communication: either the PIC interrupts the main CPU and sends a message or the CPU sends a single digit to the PIC and reads the output |
| 20:05:03 | mcuelenaere | and I believe the PIC is connected to the power manager/battery charger, lcd backlight, button backlight, piezo clicker and the little light below the hold switch |
| 20:05:24 | mcuelenaere | so it is pretty important :) |
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| 20:08:28 | toresn | does rockbox support ipod 6th generation? |
| 20:08:44 | bluebrother | toresn: no. The frontpage clearly states that ... |
| 20:08:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | No. |
| 20:09:07 | toresn | ok, sorry |
| 20:09:44 | toresn | do you know if it will in the nearest future? |
| 20:10:42 | bluebrother | no, and no. |
| 20:11:00 | bluebrother | a player becomes supported if someone interested starts to work on it |
| 20:11:21 | bluebrother | this hasn't been happened for the newer Ipods. Also, they are completely different hardware than the older ones. |
| 20:11:30 | bluebrother | so it's basically a completely new port |
| 20:12:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | Plus the Apple firmware is encrypted, which is another obstacle to tackle. |
| 20:12:53 | * | pixelma mumbles something about the use of the term "supported" again... ;\ |
| 20:14:13 | * | LambdaCalculus37 points to bluebrother; he said it :) |
| 20:15:15 | pixelma | I didn't tell names ;) |
| 20:17:23 | bluebrother | he asked if the player is "supported" ... |
| 20:17:55 | * | bluebrother goes standing in the corner nevertheless |
| 20:18:20 | * | gevaerts thinks that it's a pity that the 6th gen ipod doesn't support rockbox ;) |
| 20:18:34 | * | gevaerts runs away |
| 20:19:03 | * | LambdaCalculus37 tosses a 6th gen iPod to gevaerts |
| 20:19:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | I was going to try it, until I saw the encryption. |
| 20:19:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | Then I just said "No way" and left it at that. |
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| 20:21:10 | Horscht | was there some dispute about the term "supported"? |
| 20:21:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | There was; IIRC it was because the term is a bit broad. |
| 20:22:13 | amiconn | Well, encryption and encryption. |
| 20:22:26 | amiconn | mi4 was cracked |
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| 20:23:49 | pixelma | Horscht: "not supported" could also mean that "no-one's tried" or "use at your own risk", why not be more clear about it? |
| 20:23:53 | krz | hi to all! =) |
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| 20:25:03 | krz | Nico_P: hi! |
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| 20:25:44 | Horscht | pixelma, was there a proposed better term? |
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| 20:26:05 | * | domonoky welcomes krz, our WPS/Theme gsoc student !! |
| 20:26:24 | pixelma | Horscht: well, the frontpage lists players Rockbox "runs on" |
| 20:26:38 | * | gevaerts waves at krz |
| 20:26:45 | Horscht | ok then rockbox "does not run" on 6th gen ipods? |
| 20:27:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes. |
| 20:27:07 | krz | thanks =) |
| 20:27:13 | Horscht | or kitchen knifes? |
| 20:27:20 | Nico_P | krz: hi, and welcome :) |
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| 20:27:46 | * | LambdaCalculus37 knights krz and welcomes him to the Knights of the Rockbox clan :) |
| 20:28:20 | krz | Nico_P: so, we've discussed some thinks with domonoky =) |
| 20:28:56 | krz | *things |
| 20:29:47 | n1s | amiconn: well, someone was motivated enough to take a good look at mi4, doesn't seem like anyone cares much about the newer ipods... |
| 20:31:47 | Nico_P | krz: I'll be happy to answer any questions you might have on the WPS code. I wrote the parser and hacked the displaying code quite a lot |
| 20:32:15 | domonoky | Nico_P: we were talking that krz should try to reuse as much as rockbox code as possible, and should use the time now, to dive in and find out how much reuse is possible.. |
| 20:32:36 | Nico_P | I completely agree on that |
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| 20:34:07 | krz | so, just now i don't have any big questions, but they will surely appear in future =) |
| 20:35:14 | bluebrother | krz: are you planning on using a public code repository? Or regular releases? |
| 20:35:19 | domonoky | the other thing to research is how the GUI part will work, so the resizing and drag and drop thing... a good way would be to make paper sketches, and or small gui demo programms, this will help to get up to speed... |
| 20:35:46 | pixelma | what resizing? |
| 20:35:46 | * | Nico_P can also help with git |
| 20:35:49 | bluebrother | I'd be interested in looking into the code if time permits |
| 20:36:12 | bluebrother | any sansa experts around? |
| 20:36:37 | domonoky | bluebrother: it would be good to put his code into svn at the time his first code runs wells enough... |
| 20:37:14 | krz | bluebrother: i think that public repositiry would be beeter, so that everyone can see it |
| 20:37:35 | Nico_P | yeah I guess there's no need for branching of any sort |
| 20:37:42 | Nico_P | this can go into svn early |
| 20:39:15 | * | domonoky would really prefer this right into our svn, into a subdir, like we do for rbutil... |
| 20:40:11 | * | bluebrother wouldn't mind a different repo if it's publicly available |
| 20:40:56 | bluebrother | can I unbrick an e200 if the user failed to respect the warnings here? http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaE200Unbrick#A_word_of_caution |
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| 20:41:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | I think only SanDisk can do it at that point, but I'm not 100 percent sure. |
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| 20:42:15 | gevaerts | bluebrother: maybe you can still get into manufacturer mode |
| 20:42:48 | bluebrother | hmm. Thing is that I don't have the player |
| 20:43:12 | gevaerts | What symptoms does it show ? blue light ? |
| 20:43:30 | bluebrother | and after reading the page I'm not sure if it's possible to resurrect it. |
| 20:44:11 | * | amiconn wonders why the DevCon* wiki pages link to a special currency converter site |
| 20:44:57 | * | gevaerts uses google for that |
| 20:45:03 | amiconn | Google does currency conversion right from their main search page - I guess that's easy to remember for a lot of people |
| 20:45:36 | gevaerts | bluebrother: what did the owner do ? |
| 20:46:47 | bluebrother | he tells he had put wrong files to the 16MB partition and formatted it |
| 20:47:25 | gevaerts | Can you have him try e200tool recover ? |
| 20:47:37 | bluebrother | I fear not. |
| 20:47:56 | bluebrother | so I guess it's not possible to tell if that unit is recoverable. |
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| 20:48:45 | gevaerts | I'm pretty sure e200tool would work |
| 20:49:22 | bluebrother | hmm. |
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| 21:13:05 | mcuelenaere | amiconn: so I hacked my way around the problem ( http://pastebin.com/d6178d943 ), but still it is there; could this be related to the keymaps? is there some kind of action to instantly go to the first/last item? |
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| 21:16:24 | fml | bluebrother: Hello. There are two manual patches to look at: 8919 and 8924. Care to have a look? |
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| 21:17:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | fml: 8924 is mine. I have to make a minor correction to it. |
| 21:18:53 | bluebrother | fml: sure. |
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| 21:26:49 | Leperkawn | Hey guys, I have a windows box here that's not letting me format a dual platter 80gb ipod hdd |
| 21:27:17 | Leperkawn | It works perfectly fine and everything, but window's won't bring up any filesystem once I'm in the format window |
| 21:28:10 | gevaerts | Leperkawn: have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080423#00:29:46 |
| 21:29:15 | Leperkawn | gevaerts: Thanks |
| 21:29:53 | petur | hmmm it would be nice if somebody would build and test a h1x0 bootloader to make the CF mod less painfull |
| 21:30:58 | bluebrother | petur: Slasheri maybe? ;-) |
| 21:31:06 | petur | yes |
| 21:31:32 | bluebrother | I could try it too but I'm somewhat reluctant due to the risk of bricking |
| 21:31:51 | petur | I understand |
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| 21:33:52 | bluebrother | Slasheri seemed to be much more risk-friendly :) |
| 21:34:39 | Slasheri | hehe :D |
| 21:34:49 | bluebrother | fml: just committed FS #8919. Will wait for LambdaCalculus37 about the other task |
| 21:35:15 | Slasheri | best way to test a risky bootloader would be to chainload it from a working bootloader |
| 21:35:49 | petur | Slasheri: could you provide a current bootloader on the iriverboot page? |
| 21:35:59 | petur | h1x0, that is |
| 21:36:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | bluebrother: Commit away. :) |
| 21:36:26 | bluebrother | I thought about something like that too ... but I don't have enought knowledge of the bootloader code to do this. |
| 21:36:35 | Slasheri | petur: what do you mean with "current bootloader"? |
| 21:36:50 | petur | people doing the CF mod need a recent one for the ata error |
| 21:36:51 | bluebrother | petur, Slasheri: maybe we should try to release bootloader 7 final at DevCon? |
| 21:37:32 | * | petur hopes to release a new h3x0 bootloader if he finds his crash |
| 21:37:37 | Slasheri | bluebrother: that could be a good idea. afaik nobody has reported any real issues with it |
| 21:38:59 | bluebrother | I'm running your latest pre bootloader since quite a while now. |
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| 21:39:11 | bluebrother | and the flashing feature is quite cool :) |
| 21:39:25 | bluebrother | LambdaCalculus37: done |
| 21:39:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | :) |
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| 21:40:18 | bluebrother | petur: oh, and I can confirm participating at devcon :) |
| 21:41:45 | * | LambdaCalculus37 now has had three patches commited :) |
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| 21:45:11 | mcuelenaere | could someone who knows a bit about keymappings look into this ( http://pastebin.com/d75aea61e ) ? |
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| 21:49:43 | * | preglow is tired of forgetting how to objdump binary files :/ |
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| 21:53:33 | Bagder | preglow: arm-elf-objdump -D −−target binary -marm [file] |
| 21:53:45 | * | Bagder has it written down |
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| 22:02:53 | preglow | Bagder: found it, but thanks :) |
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| 22:03:51 | Poke | yo |
| 22:04:42 | Poke | . |
| 22:04:47 | Poke | anyone here |
| 22:05:01 | Bagder | yes many |
| 22:05:15 | Poke | how do i download ipod_fw.exe |
| 22:05:24 | Poke | its not in the same spot it used to be |
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| 22:06:18 | Llorean | Because it's not part of our install process any more |
| 22:06:19 | Poke | does anyone have it? |
| 22:06:45 | bluebrother | Poke: what do you want to do? You don't need it anymore. |
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| 22:07:28 | Poke | im trying to load multiple firmwares on my ipod so when i boot it up i can choose which one to load |
| 22:07:41 | Poke | like different themes and what not |
| 22:07:54 | bluebrother | a firmware is not a theme ... |
| 22:08:02 | Poke | theme is in the firmware |
| 22:08:12 | bluebrother | you can use the Rockbox bootloader to load Rockbox, IPL and AppleOS. |
| 22:08:27 | bluebrother | we support the Rockbox bootloader here. But not any other bootloader. |
| 22:08:44 | Poke | yeah but you had ipod_fw.exe on your servers |
| 22:08:44 | bluebrother | and for Rockbox, a theme is not part of the firmware. |
| 22:08:53 | Poke | im wondering if anyone can upload it for me |
| 22:08:57 | bluebrother | so what? |
| 22:09:10 | bluebrother | get the sources and build it yourself. |
| 22:09:17 | Poke | o.O |
| 22:09:20 | bluebrother | besides, installing a bootloader isn't done that way anymore. |
| 22:09:21 | domonoky | Poke: ipodpatcher replaced it.. so use it .. :-) |
| 22:09:34 | bluebrother | domonoky: don't tell the obvious ;-) |
| 22:09:53 | Poke | this is directly from the tut |
| 22:09:55 | Poke | To successfully complete this tutorial, you will now need to download these tools: |
| 22:10:00 | * | bluebrother wonders why people don't read up the sources first :) |
| 22:10:05 | Poke | iPod_fw.exe |
| 22:10:15 | bluebrother | Poke: we don't care about some heavily outdated tut. |
| 22:10:15 | Poke | iPodpatcher.exe - |
| 22:10:24 | * | domonoky recommends the rockbox manual to Poke.. |
| 22:10:41 | Poke | it used to be in the manual i believe |
| 22:10:42 | Poke | but |
| 22:10:47 | Poke | it got moved/deleted |
| 22:11:01 | domonoky | no updated.. :-) |
| 22:11:02 | bluebrother | it got removed as the installation process changed. |
| 22:11:05 | petur | also called 'progress' |
| 22:11:07 | Poke | . |
| 22:11:09 | Poke | ok |
| 22:11:16 | bluebrother | we have progress? Nooo ...! |
| 22:11:16 | Poke | can someone upload it for me |
| 22:11:18 | Poke | y/n |
| 22:11:22 | bluebrother | n |
| 22:11:30 | Poke | great help |
| 22:11:34 | scorche|sh | Poke: last time...you. dont. need. it. |
| 22:11:44 | scorche|sh | read the manual for the new, updated instructions |
| 22:11:52 | Poke | i want it |
| 22:11:52 | Poke | =/ |
| 22:12:00 | scorche|sh | trust me...you dont |
| 22:12:00 | bluebrother | I somewhat get the impression that he doesn't want to get help |
| 22:12:15 | Poke | does anyone still have it |
| 22:12:34 | Llorean | It's not a required Rockbox tool any more. |
| 22:12:37 | Mode | "#rockbox +o scorche|sh " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 22:12:38 | Poke | so |
| 22:12:43 | Poke | does anyone still have it |
| 22:12:50 | Mode | "#rockbox +b %*!*4cbe86ca@@* " by scorche|sh (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 22:12:51 | Llorean | Since this channel is for *Rockbox* questions.. your question doesn't belong here |
| 22:13:05 | bluebrother | Poke: you asked that several times before. And got it answered several times. |
| 22:13:09 | Poke | it was on rockbox.org |
| 22:13:17 | Mode | "#rockbox +b %*!*4cbe86ca@* " by scorche|sh (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 22:13:18 | bluebrother | so what? |
| 22:13:28 | bluebrother | the installation has changed. Adapt to it. |
| 22:13:40 | advcomp2019 | Poke, just read the manual |
| 22:13:41 | bluebrother | we don't support outdated procedures. |
| 22:14:38 | scorche|sh | Poke: you are muted for 10 minutes...stop being silly and go read the manual to see what you should now do...YOU DONT NEED IT....it is an old and outdated install method that isnt used anymore |
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| 22:19:54 | amiconn | mcuelenaere: There is no such action afaik. The PIC data is strange though - how are you supposed to tell the difference between a long press and a release? |
| 22:20:30 | amiconn | That can't be right - and this makes the button driver in its current form fail as soon as you press a single button longer than 0.5 s |
| 22:21:09 | mcuelenaere | amiconn: what action are you talking about? |
| 22:21:38 | mcuelenaere | currently I ignore the long press by checking if it happened 33-34 ticks agoo |
| 22:21:54 | amiconn | [21:13:06] <mcuelenaere> amiconn: [...] is there some kind of action to instantly go to the first/last item? |
| 22:22:35 | mcuelenaere | so this problem is very odd.. |
| 22:22:38 | amiconn | Then the button driver will fails if someone actually releases the button after that period |
| 22:22:52 | mcuelenaere | yes, that's the downside of this hack.. |
| 22:23:16 | mcuelenaere | but this happens almost not if you pay attention :) |
| 22:23:50 | amiconn | You could make the release/longpress code always trigger a release (with explicit |= resp. &= in map_button), but then you'll completely give up longpresses for now |
| 22:23:54 | mcuelenaere | I also solved it partly by doing a btn &= BUTTON_XXX; so all other buttons are wiped |
| 22:24:02 | | Part mcflow |
| 22:24:19 | amiconn | You must not wipe other buttons, otherwise you won't be able to press combos! |
| 22:24:35 | mcuelenaere | to be sure we're talking about the same code: http://pastebin.com/d356cda35 |
| 22:24:43 | mcuelenaere | the PIC doesn't allow combos! |
| 22:24:48 | mcuelenaere | :) |
| 22:24:48 | amiconn | oh? |
| 22:24:54 | mcuelenaere | not currently no |
| 22:24:56 | amiconn | How crappy... |
| 22:24:59 | mcuelenaere | only the hold button.. |
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| 22:25:27 | amiconn | They use a full blown separate processor, and then still not allow combos - pffft |
| 22:25:34 | mcuelenaere | yes, it is quite silly |
| 22:25:50 | amiconn | What happens if you press combos? |
| 22:25:59 | mcuelenaere | but I hope, eventually (in the far, far future) we'll be able to put our own code on the PIC :) |
| 22:26:10 | mcuelenaere | eh, it doesn't get recognized |
| 22:26:19 | mcuelenaere | I mean, the event of the second button pressed doesn't get sent |
| 22:27:25 | mcuelenaere | so to sum up: button press: e.g. 0x4F00 [button long: 0x4F01 OR button release: 0x4F01] |
| 22:27:42 | mcuelenaere | so it's quite hard to distinguish between the 2 |
| 22:27:45 | amiconn | Hmm, but in the bootloader it's different? |
| 22:27:48 | mcuelenaere | that's why I use the tick method |
| 22:27:54 | mcuelenaere | it was, until some point |
| 22:28:00 | mcuelenaere | and I can't remember when or how |
| 22:28:16 | mcuelenaere | the bootloader and Rockbox differ almost nothing |
| 22:28:44 | mcuelenaere | or shouldn't |
| 22:28:48 | amiconn | Did you upgrade the OF? Run the OF? Run some special mode of the OF? |
| 22:29:02 | mcuelenaere | the OF is wiped off the drive, only rescue mode exists on it |
| 22:29:17 | amiconn | No dual boot? |
| 22:29:20 | mcuelenaere | not atm |
| 22:29:25 | mcuelenaere | :) it is very basic |
| 22:29:37 | mcuelenaere | you know about the partition format? |
| 22:29:48 | mcuelenaere | almost everything about this device is Creative custom |
| 22:30:25 | mcuelenaere | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreativeZVMPort#HDD_partitioning_info |
| 22:35:58 | amiconn | urgh |
| 22:36:08 | amiconn | Seems the ZVM needs rockbox badly.... |
| 22:36:33 | mcuelenaere | indeed :) |
| 22:36:47 | mcuelenaere | all Creative players.. |
| 22:37:13 | amiconn | They seem to be Creative in crippling stuff (pun intended) |
| 22:37:48 | mcuelenaere | :P |
| 22:38:29 | amiconn | Hmm, that part list is a bit misleading at first glance |
| 22:38:47 | amiconn | The flash is 32Mbit, which is 4Mbyte |
| 22:39:23 | mcuelenaere | ah, 32MB seemed a bit too overkill :) |
| 22:39:55 | amiconn | There's a small 'b' |
| 22:40:42 | mcuelenaere | hmm, I'll correct that one |
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| 22:42:00 | amiconn | I guess the analog muxer is for fm radio<->line in selection (presuming the ZVM has recording and line in) |
| 22:42:18 | mcuelenaere | recording: yes line-in: no, or not known |
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| 22:42:34 | mcuelenaere | recording->FM & Mic |
| 22:43:55 | amiconn | That can be selected without a separate muxer (Mic needs higher gain, and the TLV has a separate mic input, as most audio ADCs) |
| 22:44:33 | amiconn | Do you know how many gain steps the OF allows for mic? |
| 22:44:48 | mcuelenaere | none, I think |
| 22:45:10 | mcuelenaere | I haven't used it recently (some months ago), but if I recall there weren't any |
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| 22:45:52 | amiconn | Well, doesn't surprise me that much. The TLV only offers 2 mic gain settings, 0dB and +20dB. Even the latter isn't that sensitive |
| 22:46:41 | amiconn | That's why I were asking - maybe creative put a separate mic amp in (although it would contradict their apparent desire to cripple stuff) |
| 22:47:07 | mcuelenaere | I wouldn't know |
| 22:47:27 | mcuelenaere | I really know nothing about electronics, I wish I would.. |
| 22:48:14 | * | amiconn thinks that figuring out that PIC is very important for the ZVM port |
| 22:48:23 | * | mcuelenaere agrees |
| 22:49:07 | amiconn | What does this 'reloading' of the firmware in rescue mode actually do? |
| 22:49:22 | mcuelenaere | it formats the first partition |
| 22:49:39 | mcuelenaere | and then it waits for the host PC for an fw upgrade |
| 22:49:50 | mcuelenaere | there are 2 partitions: bfs & cfs |
| 22:49:53 | amiconn | Maybe you used to utilize the OF's PIC code, until at some point you (purposely or inadvertently) entered rescue mode, which replaced the PIC firmware with a limited variant? |
| 22:50:07 | mcuelenaere | I don't think so |
| 22:50:21 | mcuelenaere | the rescue mode is a limited variant of the OF |
| 22:50:30 | mcuelenaere | it contains the same kernel, same drivers, same init code.. |
| 22:50:37 | mcuelenaere | just not the audio driver etc |
| 22:50:44 | amiconn | There must be a reason why it's behaving different now. It won't happen out of nowhere... |
| 22:50:45 | mcuelenaere | you could say it is a mini OS on it's own |
| 22:51:27 | mcuelenaere | I could try some older patches I uploaded on the tracker, maybe it is some newer code in pic-creativezvm.c |
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| 22:51:37 | mcuelenaere | which triggers this behaviour |
| 22:52:35 | * | amiconn goes looking for the Sansa c200 installation instructions |
| 22:52:58 | Llorean | amiconn: Same as an iPod, but with Sansapatcher instead of iPodPatcher |
| 22:55:53 | bluebrother | or use Rockbox Utility ;-) |
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| 22:56:49 | mcuelenaere | amiconn: old patch doesn't work |
| 22:57:53 | Llorean | bluebrother: Oh, yes. I don't believe we have any quoting guidelines for the forums (I honestly never even thought about them, since conversation is always threaded) but we can create some if problems show up |
| 22:57:56 | mcuelenaere | maybe something which is related: in the beginning when I got Rockbox working, it booted very, very fast compared with now; maybe this has something to do with the problems now |
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| 22:59:30 | bluebrother | Llorean: I was just asking because of the top-posting "discussion" on the ml. Funny thing is that in the forums people usually don't use quotes for something top-posting like |
| 22:59:38 | bluebrother | (or I haven't noticed such a thing) |
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| 23:00:59 | Llorean | bluebrother: Well, forums have a natively threaded view, and don't auto-quote. I think the real problem is almost entirely that a large percentage of people sending email today use Outlook or clients with behaviour descended from it. |
| 23:01:41 | amiconn | Outlook can be configured to quote properly, but its default settings make that almost impossible |
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| 23:02:27 | bluebrother | Outlook also lacks some important features. I haven't figured out how to thread messages correctly for example |
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| 23:03:09 | mcuelenaere | could it be possible for the PIC to get upgraded through I²C? |
| 23:04:13 | * | amiconn wonders whether it would be bad to delete the SYSTEM folder on a sansa |
| 23:04:41 | amiconn | bluebrother: Hmm? Sure outlook allows following mail threads... |
| 23:05:13 | Bagder | amiconn: I don't think deleting system does much harm |
| 23:05:33 | amiconn | There's some mtp stuff in that folder which only takes up space... |
| 23:05:34 | pixelma | I'm not sure, but I believe Zagor did and it wasn't a problem but it's there again on the next USB connection (if done with the OF USB) |
| 23:05:41 | Llorean | amiconn: As far as I know, nothing in the user-accessible partition is needed |
| 23:06:00 | * | petur directs amiconn to gevaerts for tips on how to break a sansa |
| 23:06:05 | amiconn | pixelma: Maybe the folder will be back, but without most of the junk... |
| 23:06:06 | Bagder | hehe |
| 23:06:17 | pixelma | probably |
| 23:06:40 | * | amiconn deleted it now |
| 23:07:52 | * | Llorean thinks gevaerts is also probably currently the world's leading expert on unbreaking one as well |
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| 23:14:20 | Bagder | but we also only know of the c200 series to be able to break that badly |
| 23:14:39 | Bagder | oddly enough |
| 23:15:18 | Bagder | on a different subject, I've added devcon arrival/departure times for me, bjorn and linus |
| 23:15:28 | * | amiconn asks pixelma for a sane c200 wps :/ |
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| 23:19:48 | petur | Bagder: those are nice times... nothing like that can be found here for a decent price :/ |
| 23:21:51 | Bagder | ~180 euro / person |
| 23:21:55 | Bagder | both ways |
| 23:21:59 | Bagder | I mean in total |
| 23:22:39 | petur | not bad |
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| 23:23:28 | Bagder | I had to play travel agent and search around, as this is with two different companies |
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| 23:24:11 | petur | I'll fix the red right away, gtg for 10 minutes |
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| 23:24:49 | Bger | Hillshum:) |
| 23:24:58 | Lucifer_pen | I hate to ask, but I haven't been able to find the page that lists chips rockbox runs on |
| 23:25:01 | Bger | amiconn: here ? |
| 23:25:06 | Lucifer_pen | anybody got a link handy to that page? ;) |
| 23:25:19 | amiconn | yup |
| 23:25:27 | Bagder | Lucifer_pen: rockbox runs on entire targets, not single chips |
| 23:25:43 | Bagder | the front page lists the targets |
| 23:25:48 | Bger | hi :) it seems that the iriver remote lcd code is still too fast, at least for my remote |
| 23:26:04 | Lucifer_pen | ah, er, I'm kinda trying to restart a conversation I was having in here several months ago |
| 23:26:20 | Lucifer_pen | my mp3 player isn't listed as supported, and I had to open it to fix the play button, so now I know what's in it |
| 23:26:36 | Bagder | and what player is it and what's inside? |
| 23:26:51 | Lucifer_pen | what can I do to see what it will take to get rockbox ported or what port to try to see if it works? |
| 23:26:56 | Lucifer_pen | it's a .... |
| 23:27:04 | amiconn | Bger: Yeah, didn't follow the flyspray task too closely (@Bagder: could you check why I still don't get notification mails from fs?) |
| 23:27:06 | scorche|sh | Lucifer_pen: have you seen the NewPort wiki page? |
| 23:27:08 | Bger | if it's plugged in on booting, nothing will show up on the lcd |
| 23:27:10 | Lucifer_pen | er, looks like it doesn't say anywhere, heh |
| 23:27:24 | Lucifer_pen | it's a Trio, called Trio, no relation to Treo |
| 23:27:28 | Lucifer_pen | scorche |
| 23:27:30 | Lucifer_pen | er |
| 23:27:36 | Lucifer_pen | (sorry, new to this irc client) |
| 23:27:39 | Bger | ok, so it's known problem |
| 23:27:40 | scorche|sh | Bger: stay a while! ;) |
| 23:27:45 | amiconn | I'd like to check in what way it is too fast, but have to provide a few test builds for this |
| 23:27:47 | Lucifer_pen | scorche|sh: I've seen it, I'll go open it and see what it says :) |
| 23:27:55 | Bagder | is there anyone who gets FS notification mails? |
| 23:28:05 | Bagder | apart from using the mailing list |
| 23:28:44 | Bger | amiconn if you want i could test it |
| 23:29:07 | Lucifer_pen | ok I'm not going to start a new port, but someone (I forgot who, already) had suggested I could join an existing port if the hardware was similar enough, or something to that effect |
| 23:29:12 | amiconn | It could either be a similar problem as I had on iaudio when really going too fast (clock pulse must be delayed enough from data line state change), the duty cycle might be a problem (it's somewhat asymmetric), or the overall clock might be too fast |
| 23:29:37 | Bagder | Lucifer_pen: yes, so what's the hardware like? |
| 23:29:42 | amiconn | It's for sure within specs of the lcd controller, so the wiring is the problem |
| 23:29:58 | Bger | aham.. |
| 23:30:00 | pixelma | Bagder: yes, I get FS mails for tasks I had the notification checked and am not subscribed to a FS mailingl list |
| 23:30:07 | amiconn | The bad thing is that all my possible combinations are working like a charm, so I can't verify myself |
| 23:30:21 | Bger | ok, i'm willing to test |
| 23:30:29 | Lucifer_pen | sigmatel stmp3504 |
| 23:30:35 | Bagder | so the problem is then specific to amiconn :-/ |
| 23:30:41 | amiconn | (H100 remote on H180, H100 remote on H340, M3 remote on M3 or X5, X5 remote on M3 or X5) |
| 23:30:53 | Bger | here h300 on h300 |
| 23:31:16 | amiconn | Maybe the H300 remote has worse wiring compared to the H100 remote? |
| 23:31:16 | pixelma | (at least not that I know of - and I don't get any other mails from FS, except the "open..." through the dev ml |
| 23:31:25 | Bagder | Lucifer_pen: here's a similar target http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PhilipsGoGear3100Port |
| 23:31:40 | Bagder | Lucifer_pen: do note the quote "It's nearly impossible to compile a firmware because of missing Datasheet/Compiler" |
| 23:31:59 | Bger | it's possible ... btw i've had occasional 'empty' displays with older builds, too |
| 23:32:28 | mcuelenaere | Lucifer_pen: the Creative ZEN uses the sigmatel stmp3760 |
| 23:32:45 | Bger | but they were very rare, only happened 3-4 times |
| 23:33:20 | Bagder | but the stmp37xx is quite different to the stmp35xx it seems |
| 23:34:13 | mcuelenaere | ah, ok; I know there's a Linux BSP for the stmp37xx |
| 23:34:45 | Lucifer_pen | that's pretty much the same machine only mine doesn't have the fm tuner |
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| 23:36:18 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SigmaTelSTMP3xxx#SigmaTel_STMP35xx_Series |
| 23:36:54 | bluebrother | amiconn: hmm −− do you have a link around? I only managed to get outlook group "conversations" but not to show real threaded view (i.e. message trees) |
| 23:37:33 | amiconn | Hmm, I don't think you can make it show a threaded view |
| 23:37:37 | petur | hmmm do I need a specific compiler version or patch to build cowon D2 or Mrobe? My 4.0.3 fails |
| 23:37:54 | amiconn | I only ever used the little blue arrows which link mails of a thread |
| 23:38:09 | * | amiconn never used a threaded view in a mail program |
| 23:39:13 | amiconn | petur: YOu need the multilib patch |
| 23:39:29 | petur | ok |
| 23:39:35 | bluebrother | ok, thanks. I'm also missing colored quoted, but this is now getting kinda OT ;) |
| 23:39:36 | amiconn | Apply that and rebuild (or let rockboxdev.sh do the job if you're lazy) |
| 23:39:46 | petur | I am :) |
| 23:40:24 | Bagder | I call it wise, not lazy... |
| 23:40:51 | amiconn | Does rockboxdev.sh let you choose the prefix(es)? |
| 23:41:09 | Lucifer_pen | so basically what I should do is take notes on what see, but otherwise just fix what's wrong with it and move on |
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| 23:41:23 | Lucifer_pen | maybe call freescale and see if I can get a toolchain for it, and if not, don't worry about it ;) |
| 23:42:16 | * | Lucifer_pen drives by freescale every other day, so he can even stop in and talk to people if needed, but the sigmatel stuff may not be there |
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| 23:45:41 | Lucifer_pen | thanks guys, I'm gonna fix my play button now, if I wind up with a toolchain for this thing, I'll be back ;) |
| 23:46:20 | Bger | btw does anyone know what happened with those ATA 50pin->ZIF adapters ? |
| 23:46:42 | Bagder | Lucifer_pen: good luck! |
| 23:47:16 | Bger | amiconn do you mean the install prefixes? |
| 23:47:45 | amiconn | yes |
| 23:48:36 | Bagder | amiconn: yes, you're supposed to edit them at the top of the script before you run it |
| 23:48:41 | Bger | there are some vars in the first 30 lines of the file, one of them is 'prefix'. so yes |
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