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#rockbox log for 2008-04-24

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00:06:31peturmuch better now :)
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00:32:46peturI was wondering, if the driver generates one (1) BUTTON_SCROLL_UP or BUTTON_SCROLL_DOWN event, does that scroll one item up/down?
00:33:30*pixelma wonders if she should prepare the new flashlight plugin for the Ondio backlight mod (officially)
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00:34:10pixelmadoesn't hurt probably
00:34:21peturgo ahead ;)
00:35:13*petur wonders where his BUTTON_SCROLL events are going to :(
00:35:22pixelmait's only compiled in with HAVE_BACKLIGHT so it would only be another keymap definition
00:35:24*BigBambi quietly (and non-too seriously) grumbles about Rockbox using British English and a flashlight being called a torch in that,
00:36:35peturone possible addition could be to save the last used color
00:37:03*amiconn wonders why sansa recording doesn't offer agc
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00:37:25*petur will use this plugin a lot next winter to find the lock on his bike
00:37:48peturamiconn: gain steps too big?
00:38:06amiconn1.5 dB ...
00:38:24petura bit big, yes
00:38:42amiconnI'd think that's ok
00:38:43pixelmaguess no-one bothered because you can't do high quality recording with it anyways?
00:39:08amiconnWell, I'd never use agc for high quality stuff anyway, however, for voice it would be useful
00:39:18peturshould we enable it for all targets with rec gain settings (except the silly 0/20db)
00:39:48*petur uses AGC_SAFETY for all his concert recordings and highly recommends it
00:40:22*amiconn doesn't record concerts
00:41:12amiconnI'd expect the built-in mic to produce complete crap at usual concert volume levels
00:42:45*bluebrother rearranges the bl installer uml
00:45:09*pixelma missed that the keymap definitions are only for targets with colour display
00:45:40peturah yes indeed they are, sorry
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00:46:25pixelmaso no problem here, sorry for the confusion :)
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00:46:53amiconnpetur: There are certainly a few things missing for non-colour (and partially also colour) targets in flashlight.c
00:47:16peturbrightness setting?
00:47:28amiconnFor greyscale, it should also temporarily remove a backdrop and set the background to white
00:47:51*bluebrother wonders if we could force all people adding new plugins also writing a new manual entry
00:48:00bluebrotherbut I guess that's impossible
00:48:06pixelmabluebrother: good idea
00:48:07amiconnIt should probably also check the display inversion setting, and disable it, except for m:robe 100, where it should enable it
00:48:26pixelmabluebrother: would be nice at least
00:48:37amiconnYes, and set brightness to maximum where available
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00:48:52peturamiconn: brightness is already set to max
00:48:59amiconnah ok
00:49:12peturI was thinking of having buttons inc/dec it
00:49:16bluebrotherimprove the torch by allowing to set the brightness?
00:49:32*bluebrother too slow at this time of day :o
00:49:42*petur just woke up
00:49:58bluebrotherwow ... what timezone you're in?
00:50:08amiconnpetur: But that doesn't help if e.g. the m:robe's lcd is black (because it's normally black - either we need to fill the whole lcd, or use the invert setting to make it "white" (i.e. red))
00:50:22peturamiconn: yes
00:50:27peturI'll have a lok
00:50:55*amiconn should start woring on screenshot/sim lcd colour unification
00:51:12amiconnThis will include simulation of 'invert'
00:51:25peturbluebrother: I'm usually more awake at night then during the day, even if I have a normal daytime job...
00:51:25bluebrotherpetur: I thought so, but I'm in the same TZ :o
00:52:13bluebrotheryou need to tell me how to manage a daytime job and still having energy hacking at nights ;-)
00:53:17petursleep from time to time ;)
00:53:42bluebrotherat work? Wouldn't work.
00:54:28peturI have somebody here at home who drags me to bed on some nights ;)
00:54:55peturmore like kicking really
00:55:06bluebrotherhehe ... maybe I'd need somebody for this?
00:55:45Hillshumget married
00:56:21bluebrotherI think "find a girl" comes first. And that's quite a heavy task ...
00:56:59LeperkawnI've heard they bite
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00:59:03peturamiconn: greyscale is for LCD_DEPTH > 1, right? then the plugin already clears backdrop and sets white background for those
00:59:41*bluebrother decides to go for sleep now (even without someone kicking)
00:59:52*petur kicks anyway
00:59:59*Hillshum kicks too
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01:00:41peturalways nice when ender leaves...
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01:00:44amiconnpetur: hmrm, missed that...
01:01:21peturI'll add the invert though, good find...
01:01:21amiconnpetur: Is 'Whilte' a colour? ;)
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01:01:56amiconn(aka typo in line 170)
01:02:36*amiconn spots completely unnecessary usage of 'float' :(
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01:02:46*petur can't be bothered to check the patches in the tracker to find out who made the typo
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01:03:23peturamiconn: yes
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01:05:58amiconnImho that should have been a commit blocker...
01:07:17amiconnUsing 'float' on an embedded system without fpu needs *very* good reasoning, imho (e.g. a calculator needs it, obviously)
01:07:48peturit will get fixed faster once committed then if it sits and rots in the tracker
01:08:05peturand being a plugin I thought this was ok to do later
01:08:07amiconnAlthough it's not performance critical here, using float bloats the binary
01:08:39peturI wouldn't have committed it if it were in the core
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01:09:28amiconnWell, large plugins are also not nice. They all add up in the .zip, for instance
01:10:09preglowas long as the intent is to fix it, i don't see a problem with commiting it
01:10:11amiconnAnother reason is that others often use existing plugins as examples
01:10:40*petur adds a TO DO comment
01:10:51preglowstrictly for plugins, of course, floats should never happen in the core
01:12:06amiconnThey also shouldn't appear in plugins except where strictly necessary, imho, e.g. becaus eof the example effect
01:12:44peturok ok... it's a work in progress, calm down
01:13:36*amiconn often reacts like this as he knows that 'intermediate' solutions tend to stay way longer than planned :/
01:14:16amiconnNot a rockbox specific phenomenon...
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01:16:38amiconnCheck flashlight.rock size for H300, and compare e.g. to dict.rock and stats.rock (which are of similar complexity...)
01:16:59pixelmaspeaking of something rotting in the tracker... (though I had one added comment yesterday, thanks BigBambi :) )
01:16:59peturyeeeees I got the point
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01:21:15pixelmaI'd welcome if some more people with c200s could try out FS #8824 and comment on (would be thankful for new ideas, regarding some unsolved issues and inconsistencies)
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01:27:10*gevaerts can't really try this out now.
01:28:01gevaertsI use my c250 mostly for usb testing these days, which means I can't keep files on it for a long time, which means I don't use it for playing...
01:28:45*amiconn now realises what he forgot
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01:29:04amiconnShould have built with usb support for my c240
01:29:29pixelmaheh, and you asked yesterday about "all the forgetting" :P
01:29:57amiconnThis was the first build for my own c200...
01:30:43*gevaerts is curious how the c240 wil behave with this torture device amiconn calls a hub
01:30:56amiconnWell, you said NEC is ok
01:31:04amiconnDid you find a similar hub?
01:31:33gevaertsI have two at work with the same VID/PID
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01:32:27gevaertsThey don't seem to cause problems with my c250. I havne't tried my ipod yet (will try tomorrow)
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01:33:39gevaertsBut there are still issues : USB is supposed to work with a device behind 5 hubs. I got lots of resets with ony 3 (but it still worked). I forgot to test that with the OF though
01:34:04*gevaerts packs his ipod and his c250 so he can test a bit more tomorrow
01:34:12jerichokbhi guys, i think i've got myself into a bit of a muddle with my ipod nano
01:34:20amiconnSometimes usb seems to behave a bit strange if you even try to get near the allowed cable lengths
01:34:41jerichokbrockbox seems to think i've got every song on my ipod 4 times over
01:35:02Hillshumgevaerts: but USB won't power all 5 hubs, they need their own
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01:35:18amiconnI know of the following setup: (root hub) −− 4.5m −− (repeater) −− 5.0m −− (4-port hub) −− 2 printers
01:35:48gevaertsHillshum: of course. Finding enough power sockets is the biggest challenge for those tests ;)
01:35:54amiconnSometimes the PC just doesn't want to communicate with either printer. Unplugging and replugging the whole setup (at the root hub) makes it work again
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01:36:20jerichokbmy database info looks like this: initialised: Yes , DB Ready: No , RAM Cache: No , RAM: 0/0 B , Progress: -1% (4497 entries), Curfile: −−- , Commit Step: 0 , Commit Delayed : no
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01:37:05pixelmajerichokb: did you try a complete "initialize now" or just updated?
01:37:29Seldaekhowdy, my iHP120's HDD just died on me after a few years of good service.. any idea what's the closest match to that in the new stuff ? the iAudio X5's I think are pretty similar (although newer/better), but I'm not sure about the rest..
01:38:05*amiconn thinks the H120 is better than the iaudios (except in size)
01:38:06peturbah, the mrobe-100 sim doesn't simulate lcd invert
01:38:39amiconnpetur: Check 50 minutes back in the log...
01:38:46gevaertsSeldaek: you could replace the HD
01:38:50jerichokbi initilised it the first time, then ran into problems when i tried putting more files on/taking some off. i've tried both initialize now and update now, and have had the 'committing database' msg a few times, but nothing changes
01:38:53Seldaekamiconn: well I was really happy with it.. I just want an music player that can run rockbox well enough with 20-40gigs.
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01:39:27peturamiconn: sorry, completely missed that
01:39:44Seldaekgevaerts: yeah I guess, but even then, the jacks were a bit fucked up (only the optical out still working without shortcircuits)
01:39:53gevaertsSeldaek: just for playing ? If you don't need recording or a radio, lots of people seem to be happy with a gigabeat F
01:40:00pixelmajerichokb: I'd probably try deleting the database files (all the *.tcd files in the .rockbox folder and the initialise again)
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01:40:10jerichokbok, will try that - thanks.
01:40:18Seldaekgevaerts: I'll definitely try and open it and smash the hard disk a bit before buying anything new though
01:41:13Seldaekgevaerts: gigabeat F.. thanks, I'll have a look, I don't need recording indeed, just mp3 playback and opened USB-disk capability (not like those Sony crap if you see what I mean)
01:41:28*Hillshum loves smashing stuff
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01:42:09Seldaekwell I meant smash it gently see if it helps to repair it :P
01:42:18gevaertsOf course, you can try to find another H120. There's currently a seller on ebay who has lots of them new in box
01:42:59Seldaekthat's not good :)
01:43:03*gevaerts ordered one. Luckily he ships everywhere
01:43:32Seldaekwow $150
01:44:02*amiconn wonders why the sansa's internal flash and card slot disappear & reappear several times in windows when using rockbox usb
01:44:48amiconngevaerts: c240 has the same problem as the mini when connected to the hub
01:44:53gevaertsSeldaek: lots of people seem to like the H120
01:45:13Seldaekyeah it's strong and nice imo
01:45:31gevaertsunfortunately that keeps prices high
01:45:38SeldaekI know some people that have gone through 2-4ipods during my h120's life
01:46:08Seldaekoh well my "wow $150" was not meant that way:) I think it's pretty cheap compared to what I paid for mine
01:46:42gevaertsamiconn: I'll try to look into those TXFILLTUNING options tomorrow.
01:46:44jerichokbpixelma: building database, but it seems to be going a lot slower than the first time i did it. is this a bad sign or am i just being paranoid and impatient?
01:46:58gevaertsSeldaek: gigabeat F is much cheaper (but probably not as solid)
01:47:03SeldaekI'd need some US guy to ship it for me as a gift though, but thanks for the pointer gevaerts, I'll definitely consider it..
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01:47:23amiconnSo it looks like a PP5020 vs. PP5022 problem to me
01:47:38amiconngevaerts: What ipod do you have, again?
01:47:46gevaertsvideo 5G
01:48:09*gevaerts needs a PP5020 device
01:48:11amiconnHmm, so that's effectively also PP5022
01:48:41amiconnPP5020 is the one that works on my hub, btw
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01:50:44gevaertsDo you happen to have more hubs around ? I'd like to know how PP5020 behaves if you use more than one
01:51:16pixelmajerichokb: it's a full rebuild so it sure takes longer than an "update now", don't know about the initialising. You didn't delete the database.ignore file in there too by chance?
01:51:48jerichokbpixelma: nope, pretty sure just *.tcd
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01:51:59pixelmacould be a reason why it takes longer, otherwise it doesn't do harm. Ok
01:52:13jerichokbcheers :)
01:52:48amiconngevaerts: No, I only have this one hi-speed hub. It's this one, btw:
01:53:27amiconnThere's an unpowered usb1.1 hub built into my monitor though...
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01:53:53gevaerts1.1 won't tell us much
01:54:23*gevaerts also has only one hub at home. Luckily at work there are boxes of them
01:55:04eluriahi, i'm wondering if there is a place where i can check how portage to 2nd gen nano's is going?
01:55:24krazykiteluria, there's a thread in the New Ports forum, but nothing's happenening.
01:55:39eluriaok thanks
01:55:48eluriaso you don't reckon there will be one any time soon?
01:55:56scorche|shnot unless someone works on it
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01:56:19eluriai have no idea how complex the code is but i might be interested
01:57:09eluriaare there really big obstacles to overcome for that particular port or just many small issues?
01:57:12scorche|shthe code isnt quite the issue
01:57:33krazykitundocumented hardware and encrypted firmware spring to mind as obstacles.
01:57:52eluriaahh how nice ;) a real challenge then
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01:59:25Hillshumdoes the firmware use symmetric or asymmetric encription?
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02:02:57amiconnAfaik nothing is known apart from the fact that the firmware is encrypted
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02:10:32pixelmajerichokb: is it still initialising?
02:11:03jerichokbpixelma: yes, only at 64...i'm pretty sure there's around 400 tracks on there
02:11:29pixelmathat doesn't sound right
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02:15:20pixelmajerichokb: I only have 2 ideas what could be wrong. Sometimes it's choking on bad tags of some files (e.g. too large) - or together with the fact that you had a few entries before for each song it could also be filesystem errors.
02:16:02Shaidhas anyone dumped the firmware from the ipod classics and nanos?
02:17:05jerichokbpixelma: hmm, bad tags doesn't sound likely as it was coping fine with much the same songs.
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02:20:19pixelmajerichokb: you could check the filesystem for errors (chkdsk on windows, don't know what tools are there on linux etc.). Hope someone else could help you as I need to get some sleep too
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02:21:15jerichokbpixelma: cheers for your help so far (fsck on linux, iirc)
02:21:23Shaidyeah, fsck
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02:22:05pixelmaok, good luck
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02:34:01*petur got the proof that fixing something quickly ends up taking more time :(
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02:55:45BHSPitMonkeyOh yeah, I have the inductive proof to that lying around here somewhere
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05:52:23poorchcan i ask for some help?
05:53:22poorchi have an 5th gen ipod, 80gig, that i recently put rockbox on; it was working eariler today but now all i get is the sad face screen
05:55:45poorchi tried reseting but thatr didnt do anything
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08:53:53LloreanLinusN: Well, "Initialize Now" will probably always be there for rebuilding from scratch when you've changed metadata on something (though perhaps the option to select a folder from the context menu and manually choose "Rescan" or similar...)
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08:55:08JdGordonand on that topic.. does anyone know why (or having the same problem) where the databse cant be commited in the sim? so you cant actually use it?
08:56:02LloreanJdGordon: No, but I bet if you investigate you'll probably end up solving some on-target problems in the process. ;)
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08:56:41JdGordonprobably :p
08:59:08LloreanI think people have run into problems getting it to commit on target too.
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09:05:56*amiconn wonders about petur's fix for 'float'
09:06:25peturwe don't need fancy color settings
09:06:47JdGordonSlasheri: any ideas about the not commiting problem?
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09:06:49amiconnConverting the hsv conversion to fixed point is really simple. I hacked together a fixed point version in 10 minutes
09:07:03amiconnNeed to test compile
09:07:59peturamiconn: yes, I was about to, but I didn't really like the operation so I killed it anyway. White and red is (imho) the colors one needs so this implementation is way easier.
09:08:25peturso: I do not want a fixed point implementation of the previous version ;)
09:10:03LloreanWhy red?
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09:14:15peturnight vision
09:15:35peturif you use red light in the dark your night vision will remain pretty good, if you use white you'll see nothing for the first 5 minutes ;)
09:16:24JdGordonarg, how to you get gdb to jump to continue to the next line of code?
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09:20:41amiconnpetur: I didn't test the plugin yet, but lcd_set_invert_display() requires an lcd_update() afterwards on most targets, as the comments in the target lcd-*.c say
09:20:56peturouch :(
09:20:58amiconnAlso, m:robe 100 is mono, hence won't see the fix
09:21:59amiconnlcd_set_invert_display() exists for all bitmap depths (although for some targets it's empty - unrelated to depth but to knowledge about the lcd controller)
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09:22:45petureuh, the call is there for all targets that have the dfeine, not just 1+ bit
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09:23:28amiconnUmm, too many #ifdef error ;\
09:23:58peturbut the update is missing, that's true
09:24:03Bgerhrm.. what's this 'Accessory Power Supply' ? Power supply for ipod's accessories ?
09:24:12*petur has no svn access at work :(
09:25:06LloreanBger: Yes
09:27:00amiconnpetur: Eh, sorry, I confused something...
09:27:13*amiconn obviously not fully awake yet
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09:27:32amiconnlcd_set_invert_display() doesn't require lcd_update() - confused it with lcd_set_flip()
09:30:07JdGordonSlasheri: you round?
09:31:10amiconnSo all is well, and the remaining question is whether I should scrap the fixedpointified hue code.
09:32:11peturyou can add it and use up/down keys to switch between fixed color and variable color modes ;)
09:33:50peturimho the limited fixed colors are fine. The provious one even had a bug, you couln't get to white light again
09:34:20amiconnThat should have worked...
09:34:40JdGordonSON OF A ....
09:34:41peturI tried it on h300, it didn't
09:34:43amiconnh goes 0..360 in the original code, modulo 365 in steps of 5
09:35:00amiconn0 means white, 5...360 means a hue of 0..355
09:35:12peturyes, but it responds to key press and release
09:35:31amiconnIt shouldn't react to releases
09:35:39amiconnThat's a bug, of course
09:35:43peturthat was one of my fixes...
09:35:57JdGordondo any targets not use 4 bytes for long or 2 bytes for short?
09:36:33amiconnJdGordon: Simply, don't rely on such assumptions
09:36:46amiconnThey will break, e.g. in 64 bit sims
09:36:47JdGordonits not my code...
09:37:00JdGordonthis is why my comp couldnt build the databse
09:37:10JdGordonstructec.h is full of such assumtopnms
09:37:13JdGordonassumptions even
09:38:05amiconnWell, in that case - all current targets have 8 bit char, 16 bit short, 32 bit int and 32 bit long
09:38:09JdGordonit needs to be fixed properly, but not sure if its worth building it for targets if that assumption is actuall valid
09:38:33amiconnUse the appropriate fixed size types where necessary
09:38:48amiconn(u)int32_t and friends
09:43:23JdGordonis it likely to cause problems if I change long to int32_t in the tagcache structs?
09:43:44JdGordonworst case is things get truncated on 64bit sim right?
09:43:46Bgersomeone willing to commit 2 translated strings to the bulgarian language ? (
09:47:58*JdGordon feels like he isnt going to get an answer :/
09:48:18BgerJdGordon seems ok, at least to me
09:48:38JdGordonand ill commit that diff in a sec
09:49:45Bgerat least this wouldn't change anything on the targets (if sizeof(long)==sizeof(int32_t))
09:51:06JdGordonwell yeah, thats what I figure
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09:58:45SlasheriJdGordon: nope, that should be fine (and in fact a good thing to do)
09:58:58Slasherithat way we would guarantee tagcache binary compatibility
09:59:40JdGordonideally structec shuold be fixed to remove the assumption...
10:00:11JdGordonwas there a reason you went with long instead of int anyway?
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12:08:02preglowjhMikeS: you had a look at sdoyon's patch? it's really more your area than mine
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12:20:32webguest11is it normal that only my database settings were not saving when I shutdown my rockbox ?
12:21:12LinusNwebguest11: how do you shutdown rockbox, and what settings weren't saved?
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12:23:20webguest11holding the play button (i use a Ipod 5G). And for the configuration it is : "Load to RAM", "Gather Runtime Data" and "Auto Update"
12:27:06webguest11and the language also
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12:28:28LinusNwebguest11: so basically it doesn't save any settings?
12:28:33webguest11sorry, all the config are cleared
12:28:37webguest11but sometimes no
12:28:46webguest11(the old button is not on)
12:29:07LinusNi have heard similar reports on ipod 5.5G
12:29:41LinusNwhat happens if you remove config.cfg?
12:31:42webguest11all configuration are cleared
12:32:13webguest11(settings are now saved in config.cfg and not in the firt partition of Hdd ???)
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12:34:34LinusNwebguest11: that was a looooong time ago :-)
12:34:50LinusNwebguest11: now, does it save the settings if you change them?
12:35:34webguest11sorry it was a long time that my ipod are broken, apple send a new one yesterday
12:37:06webguest11settings seems to be saved, but my database are broken, i have to rebuild it
12:38:41webguest11working, settings are saved but i don't understand why they weren't
12:40:03LinusNnether do i
12:40:08LinusNneither, even
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12:45:18webguest11LinusN: do you have a rockbox version with the "serial port driver for ipod" patch older than the r17193 ? I see that since this revision the power supply for accessory can be enable so i would like to test it
12:46:11LinusNwebguest11: no i haven't, and the accessory power changes allowed it to be disabled rather than enabled, it is on by default
12:51:58linuxstbI missed that commit... I can't recall the Apple firmware having such an option...
12:52:22preglowi dislike that commmit very much
12:52:25preglowit shouldn't be an option
12:52:42preglowthere has to be some way to detect an accessory another way
12:53:55GodEaterI think it's not a bad idea until we know how to do that detection though
12:54:01GodEaterit's a few more mA saved
12:54:33linuxstbI didn't think Rockbox did temporary hacks...
12:54:37preglowi guess so, i just hope someone will look into it
12:54:46preglowlinuxstb: a good point...
13:00:58SlasheriJdGordon: yes, long was used because it should be always 32 bits
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13:25:57hofmannhey all, just wondering if the apple warranty is compromised by installing rockbox on an ipod?
13:29:24markunhofmann: I don't think they will be happy if you send it in for repair with rockbox on it
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13:31:09gevaertshofmann: if you want to be sure, you'll have to ask apple
13:31:24hofmannhmmm... theres a bad sector on the hard drive, and i can't seem to get windows to ignore it when transferring music... i checked with apple and theres still a few months of warranty left so i'm gonna take it in to a apple store later today
13:31:39Bensawsome_that not good
13:32:11Bensawsome_but still macs rule :D
13:32:14linuxstbhofmann: If I was you I would remove Rockbox - a restore with itunes is probably the cleanest way (and something the Apple Store would probably do anyway)
13:32:28gevaertsBensawsome_: you're wrong ;)
13:32:40Bensawsome_UR FACE IS WRONG!
13:33:01hofmannyeah... that's what i was planning... i have to travel like 100 miles to glasgow to go to the store so i'm gonna be bored out of my mind on the bus :( lol
13:33:07hofmannah well, thanks guys
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13:34:45gevaertsBensawsome_: please use real english words here, and try to stay on topic
13:34:58Bensawsome_o ya.........
13:35:03Bensawsome_i mean oh ya....
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13:36:21hofmannsee you guys soon, keep up the good work
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14:52:07JdGordonwho was interested in disktidy? /me forgot which dev i was talking to yesterday :p
14:52:44preglowderpapst and lambdacalculus have been poking at it
14:53:20JdGordonI've just put together a nice UI for customizing the files which are removed
14:53:29JdGordonhoping to show it to someone before putting it on the tracker
14:53:46kugelrockbox reads the 'band' tag for album artist too, but I can't find it in the source, did 'grep -r "\"band\"" *')
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15:12:50linuxstbkugel: Which tagging format are you talking about?
15:13:23linuxstbThen you want to look at firmware/id3.c
15:13:28kugelI did
15:13:33kugelThere's no band
15:13:49linuxstbID3 doesn't use full names, it uses short abbreviations (iiuc)
15:13:50kugelas I said, grep -r "\"band\"" *' gave no results
15:14:08kugelhowever, albumartist and ensemble were found
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15:41:09DauerbaustelleHello, whats the name of rockbox standard theme? I want it back ;)
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15:51:06kugellinuxstb: No idea regarding the band tag?
15:51:51linuxstbkugel: What ID3v2 tag are you using for "band" ?
15:52:06kugelband is the tag
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15:52:28kugelmp3tag uses/used band for album artist
15:52:57linuxstb"band" isn't the name of the tag.
15:53:12kugelso album artist?
15:53:14linuxstbIt will be something like "TPE2"
15:53:26kugelhmm, I don't know
15:53:46kugelI just enter band and the album artist in mp3tag
15:54:39linuxstbYou need to use a tag editor that shows you the real tag names (maybe just a hex editor would help). Then you can see how Rockbox deals with them.
15:54:49preglowJdGordon: can't say i like disktidy being a viewer
15:55:10JdGordonwhy not? its more to save you having to chose the files every time
15:55:10kugelAh ok, I didn't know of that internal real tag names
15:56:39preglowJdGordon: just doesn't sound very intuitive to have a disk tidy plugin work that way
15:56:58preglowand i like to keep things intuitive so rockbox doesn't become something that relies even further upon the manual
15:57:31JdGordonchose no then when it asks if you want to save and you'll never know its a viewer
15:57:33GPLmy friend tried to install rockbox into his ipod 5.5 gen but failed. ipodpatcher.exe did not find his ipod. and when he tried to format his ipod on windows he got "read only device" error.
15:58:00GPLso, is his 5.5 realy supportded?
15:58:10preglowJdGordon: right, i've probably overlooked the finer details on how it works. i'll give a test later
15:58:22LambdaCalculus37GPL: Is it indeed a 5.5G iPod?
15:58:44LambdaCalculus37Plastic front and shiny back?
15:58:49LambdaCalculus37Or metal front and shiny back?
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15:59:55JdGordonpreglow: the viewer part only preloads the files to remove.. it doesnt automatically remove anything, if thats what your worried about
16:00:00JdGordonit still puts you in the menu
16:00:16GPLLambdaCalculus37, if i am correct - black plastick front and metal back
16:01:02preglowJdGordon: nah, wasn't worried about that, just worried about it being hard to understand how an otherwise simple plugin should be used
16:01:24DerPapstJdGordon: your disktidy version is missing the wildcard stuff right now?
16:02:02LambdaCalculus37GPL: Did he run ipodpatcher with admin rights in Windows?
16:02:52GPLLambdaCalculus37, i guess so, but i will ask him about it next time, thanks.
16:04:36DerPapstJdGordon: then {"._", false, false} doesn't make sense because macosx doesn't create any files with exactly this name :-P but the wildcard thing should be easy to add.
16:04:37JdGordonamiconn: which viewport bugs?
16:04:40kugelI wonder if the album art location is saved in the database files
16:05:08JdGordonDerPapst: ah, dont use osx enough to know that :p (and you got pm...)
16:08:24LambdaCalculus37GPL: All right. Make sure he doesn't have an iPod Classic, because then he most definitely can not run Rockbox.
16:08:49JdGordonkugel: I dont tinhk it is...
16:09:14GPLLambdaCalculus37, what is the number for "Classic"?
16:09:29kugelJdGordon: Would be nicer if it would, right?
16:10:59LambdaCalculus37GPL: 6th Gen. It's what Apple sells now.
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16:11:39LambdaCalculus37The Apple firmware is all new, and the front face is made of anodized aluminum.
16:13:22GPLLambdaCalculus37, and is there a posibility that sooner or later rockbox will be available fro gth gen? or does any architecture of 6th gen restricts something?
16:13:36GPL*for 6th gen
16:13:38JdGordonalways a possibility
16:15:10LambdaCalculus37Someone has to figure out the encryption on the Apple firmware as well.
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17:25:11markunJdGordon: would that be useful?
17:25:48JdGordonprobaly not.. just making sure its not whats causing my problems
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17:45:28mcuelenaerehi, could someone with a GCC 4 X86 compiler check this patch against current SVN and see if it gives warnings?
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18:58:56pondlifeCould I suggest that the many links to the daily build page ("Any recent daily build") are changed to point to the current build...
18:59:51domonokyrockbox-themes will be replaced "shortly" .. :-)
19:00:13pondlifeWell, take that as a suggestion for the replacement... ;)
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19:30:25testorwhat is the best mp3 player for use with rockbox?
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19:30:43BigBambitestor: Depends what you want
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19:30:52BigBambitestor: Check out the BuyersGuide on the wiki
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19:31:11testoroh neat
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19:39:31LambdaCalculus37Nico_P: I'm starting a little initial work on the Gigabeat S manual.
19:39:40Nico_Pnice :)
19:40:42LambdaCalculus37We can cheat a bit and use Gigabeat F screen caps on certain spots, can't we?
19:40:59LambdaCalculus37We just need a screen cap of the Gigabeat S main menu and specific features to it.
19:41:02gevaertsNo you can't !
19:41:10*gevaerts dislikes cheating
19:41:13Nico_PLambdaCalculus37: of course. most of it will be the same
19:41:43DerPapsti guess all will be the same...
19:41:48LambdaCalculus37Nico_P: How should I label each of the buttons?
19:42:14Nico_PLambdaCalculus37: I'd say the window is MENU, and the other one is BACK
19:42:27Nico_Pthe other ones are pretty straightforward
19:42:38*Nico_P goes to have dinner
19:42:53LambdaCalculus37Play/Pause, RW, FF, Vol Up/Down, and POWER.
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19:43:49DerPapstyep :-)
19:44:18LambdaCalculus37I need keymaps for all of the plugins on the beast.
19:44:25DerPapstand hold :-)
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19:56:08testoris the buyer's guide totally up to date or should i also look at other models?
19:58:39gevaertstestor: the most up to date list of players with working rockbox is on the front page
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20:00:26testorand, i'm having trouble finding this out: is there some way to read pdfs inside rockbox?
20:01:35LambdaCalculus37Plain text files only.
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20:03:02testorok. i'll see if any of them do it in their native os i guess
20:03:43gevaertsEven if some can do it, I think it's unlikey
20:04:08w1ll14mvery unlikely
20:04:10gevaerts... unikey to work well. pdf files define the page size, and you only have a small screen
20:04:18w1ll14mexcept for maybe the ipod touch ?
20:04:55w1ll14manyway, who would want to view pdf's on their mp3 player ?
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20:07:31DerPapstbut only simple ones
20:07:40bluebrotherI'd suggest using html instead ;-)
20:07:44w1ll14mhmm ... :)
20:08:18w1ll14mmy pda has some adobe reader... also 320x240 screen tho
20:08:27w1ll14mnever used it
20:08:36DerPapstanything simple (but not as simple as plin text) is fine
20:08:53Nico_Pabout the S' keypmap, I think the 'back' button should allow going back in menus and the browser (currently it doesn't)
20:09:34DerPapstNico_P: i'm all for it. :-)
20:10:11w1ll14mNico_P i agree
20:10:30w1ll14mthat would ease navigation i think
20:10:58w1ll14mi just found out how dead my ipod 60GB harddisk is
20:11:36LambdaCalculus37Nico_P: I agree, too.
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20:13:03testorwhat does the 'available' column in the buyersguide mean?
20:13:39LambdaCalculus37That shows if you can still buy them in a local shop or now.
20:14:13gevaertsIs that still accurate ?
20:15:37BigBambitestor: All the currently working players are no longer produced
20:15:44BigBambigevaerts: Doubt it, I'll go and look
20:16:58BigBambiI'm just going to change them all to some - they are gettable, but not so easily
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20:25:21markl554hey sweet.....just browsing irc and i stubmle in to the rockbox channel
20:26:05markl554anyone here know how for the creative zen port is?
20:26:36markl554if anyones awake.....
20:26:38Bagderhow for?
20:26:52Bagderah you mean far?
20:26:57markl554sorry how far?
20:27:01w1ll14mno idea
20:27:11BagderI think the forum thread has all the progress
20:27:17BigBambimarkl554: Check out the thread in the New Ports forum
20:27:25LambdaCalculus37 does but seeming i kinda stubled in here i just figured i'd ask
20:27:55BigBambimarkl554: You can read as well as I
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20:28:38BigBambigevaerts: hehe :)
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21:14:49LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Around?
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21:19:53LambdaCalculus37pixelma: I volunteered to work on the manual for the Gigabeat S.
21:20:07LambdaCalculus37I need a vector drawing of the S for the manual.
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21:21:38amiconnDerPapst: pong
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21:22:54pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: you don't _need_ one for a start - you mean it would be nice though... :)
21:23:19ThibGI have a Cowon D2 (4GB). Can I try the rockbox port without any risk of bricking my D2?
21:23:25LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Yes, that's what I meant. :)
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21:23:59LambdaCalculus37I'll take needed screencaps, but I think we can get away with using the screencaps from the Gigabeat F on the S manual.
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21:24:19LambdaCalculus37I'll just take one of the FM radio (when it's ready), and the main menu.
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21:26:09pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: will look into it but it wouldn't have top priority currently
21:26:41LambdaCalculus37pixelma: No problem.
21:26:50LambdaCalculus37The manual's going to take some time, anyway.
21:27:09LambdaCalculus37We still need to get a final installation solution to describe.
21:27:31LambdaCalculus37All I'm going to do for now is lay out some new Gigabeat S-specific pages.
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21:37:41ThibGSo, is trying Rockbox safe on a cowon D2?
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21:40:05gevaertsThibG: it seems that noone who knows is here currently. Doesn't the forum thread about the D2 have that information ?
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21:44:40ThibGOh! I haven't found that information right now, but I've read that rockbox tools can unbrick a D2 :)
21:44:41pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: the S seems to have a weird cross (not a touch thing like the F, right?). What's it made of?
21:45:22LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Tactile buttons.
21:45:33DerPapstpixelma: transparent plastic
21:46:06*LambdaCalculus37 likes the buttons much more than the touchpad cross on the F
21:49:33*amiconn would also prefer these buttons over the gigabeat f/x touch thingy, but still doesn't want a gigabeat
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21:51:00pixelmais that a separate button in the center of the cross?
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21:52:23Nico_PLambdaCalculus37: tactile? they don't seem tactile to me?
21:52:37Nico_Pthey are physical buttons
21:52:41Nico_Ppixelma: yes
21:52:48mcuelenaereZVM keymap works! :)
21:53:03Nico_Pmcuelenaere: congratulations :)
21:53:08Nico_Pgevaerts: where's the smile?
21:53:17DerPapstyes. the s has "real" buttons
21:53:38gevaertsNico_P: I didn't feel like looking for it. I should really make a macro :)
21:53:51DerPapstmcuelenaere: good work!
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21:54:03mcuelenaerewow, there are so many settings.. :)
21:55:01*LambdaCalculus37 smacks himself awake a bit
21:55:33LambdaCalculus37Man, I should stop talking when I'm tired. :)
21:55:56LambdaCalculus37Nico_P: Yes, you're right. :)
21:57:12*Nico_P leaves
21:57:13LambdaCalculus37mcuelenaere: Are you going to commit to SVN soon?
21:57:25mcuelenaereyes, I believe so
21:57:35mcuelenaerefirst some little cleanups, and then I'll do my first big commit :)
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21:58:03bluebrotherLambdaCalculus37: just read you volunteering about the manual. You're aware how the screenshot inclusion works?
21:58:45bluebrotheroh, just missed him.
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22:08:36mcuelenaerelet's hope I didn't break the m:robe 500 target..
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22:12:46gevaertsWe'll know soon ;)
22:13:01mcuelenaerejust 2 more minutes... :)
22:14:34fmlHello. I think the new flashlight plugin is a good thing! Wouldn't it be a good idea to make it sitchable with a button. I.e. it would go off if you press and hold a button and goes on again once you release it.
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22:17:09mcuelenaerewow, not a single extra red or yellow :)
22:17:19*linuxstb wonders why there are three identical core_sleep() implementations (for TCC78xx, IMX31L and DM320)
22:17:25bluebrothermcuelenaere: cool, congrats :)
22:17:27mcuelenaereI even fixed a M:robe 500 yellow :p
22:17:43gevaertscongratulations :)
22:18:30mcuelenaerethanks :)
22:18:53fmlAnother question about flashlight (out of curiosity): are there two options on m-robe: red and white? He-he...
22:19:45*gevaerts guesses not
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22:20:24bluebrothershouldn't that rather be red and black? ;-)
22:21:32fmlYes, I wonder how "red" on mrobe looks like
22:21:34DerPapstbight black to light the room
22:22:26*gevaerts will use his sansa and an mrobe on his bicycle
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22:23:29fmlgevaerts: sansa on the front, mrobe as a rear?
22:23:43gevaertsfml: would you advise the reverse ?
22:24:28bluebrotherhmm. My m:robe seems to not like the usb connection but only displays a charging screen. Does anybody know why this happenes?
22:24:54DerPapstforgot to enable usb? :-P
22:24:54bluebrothercould this be caused by a rather flat battery? I thought I charged it ...
22:25:23gevaertsNot impossible, but I doubt it
22:25:57bluebrotherno, that was OF directly after bootup
22:25:58jhMikeSlinuxstb: IMX31L definitely has had one for some time (first thing I ever did)
22:26:09fmlBut seriously: how do you find the idea of switching off the light when a button is pressed (not quitting the plugin!)
22:26:29*jhMikeS totally misread linuxstb's statement :p
22:26:53bluebrotherfml: sounds like a nice idea to me.
22:27:35n1sjhMikeS: nice to have a proper rtc driver for the S :)
22:27:44DerPapstfml: good idea indeed.
22:27:49jhMikeS"why there are three indentical" != "if there will ever be" *lol*
22:27:59preglowjhMikeS: did you have a look at sdoyon's patch?
22:28:03bluebrotherdoes the flashlight plugin has any buttons at all (except quitting the plugin)?
22:28:06jhMikeSpreglow: which?
22:28:13preglowjhMikeS: i think he mailed you directly with the entry
22:28:25preglowat least you're listed in the to:
22:28:30*jhMikeS tries to get out of lazy mode and check email
22:28:42fmlOr the opposite: the light is on only if a button is pressed. This is like a keylock with an LED inside. You know what I mean?
22:29:11gevaertsYou could switch between those modes with the hold switch on targets that have it
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22:30:23*gevaerts expects the flashlight plugin to be the most complex of all plugins real soon now
22:30:39fmlgevaerts: yes, I think there are enough buttons. Left/Right are for switching colors, another one for turn the light on/off, another one for quitting the plugin. And the rest can be used for mode.
22:31:21n1samiconn: seen FS #8920 ?
22:31:22fmlgevaerts: he-he. With possible colors configured in xml!
22:31:37*gevaerts runs away
22:32:34jhMikeSpreglow: I can't seem to find it
22:34:24fmlANother question: shouldn't all "good" plugins also properly quit if USB is detected?
22:34:26n1sjhMikeS: FS #8918
22:35:01bluebrotherfml: the flashlight plugin is evil, so it doesn't need to do that ;-)
22:36:42fmlbluebrother: if it's really evil it should display a splash "HA-HA-HA, I'M EVIL" when USB is detected and the NOT enter the usb mode!
22:37:19bluebrothernice idea. Maybe even "I'm an evil flashlight plugin virus"?
22:37:34domonokybluebrother: could you check if the configuration dialogs for tts/enc in rbutil works for you ? (i somehow cant close this dialogs again)
22:38:39preglowjhMikeS: really, fs #8918 anyway
22:38:45bluebrotherdomonoky: you're referring to the sub dialogs for TTS / Encoder?
22:39:01bluebrotherworks fine for me.
22:39:04jhMikeSpreglow: looking now.
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22:42:33*jhMikeS thinks "do {...} while(0)" is a bit quaint when "({...})" does the job and looks cleaner
22:44:10amiconnn1s: I know the bug, although I didn't knwo the report. However, that's only an intermediate fix
22:44:29preglowjhMikeS: agreed :)
22:44:47kugeljhMikeS: Indeed :)
22:44:54jhMikeSyou can't return a value from the former either iiuc
22:45:19n1samiconn: ok, seemed liek a simple fix, hate having those rotting away in the tracker
22:46:10amiconnn1s: A proper fix requires making the headphone detection settings item dynamic, i.e. show it on 2nd Gen, but not 1st Gen
22:46:54amiconnHmm, and somehow I can't find an actual patch attached....?
22:47:34n1sah, so it fixes the detection not working on 2g but the setting is still there on 1g. I think the poster never intended to post a diff but more saying "change this to that"
22:47:35jhMikeStoffe82: pong (for the logs and yes, it's a long turnaround time :)
22:47:53amiconnHmm, probably.
22:48:41amiconnWile I knew about that bug, I didn't bother fixing it so far because there are more important things to fix on 1st/2nd Gen (i.e. suspend)
22:49:26jhMikeSamiconn: be mindful about the S since it will benefit from suspend implementation too
22:49:50amiconnSuspend itself is very target specific anyway
22:49:55Lloreanbluebrother, domonoky: With the 1.0.5 version of RButil I'm still getting .voice files where a large portion of the strings are cut off before the end. Is this known?
22:50:18amiconnThe necessary powermanagement and shutdown handling rework is generic though
22:50:28domonokyLlorean: this is known, and i think its a bug in rockbox, not rbutil... but i am not sure..
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22:51:06*amiconn doesn't get cut off voice strings
22:51:16Lloreandomonoky: I know other people who've reported the problem have claimed other voice files (not made with rbutil) don't show the problem
22:51:21jhMikeSamiconn: I doubt all the needed power management will be shareable when dealing with putting the core in state retention mode and handling the PMIC
22:51:21*amiconn uses cygwin+sapi5 to generate the voice files though
22:51:25LloreanBut I haven't got that far in testing yet.
22:52:19domonokyi have a broken talkfile to test, but it decodes fine with rbspeexdec..
22:52:42domonokyLlorean: can you check if the clips are also cutoff if you have music running ?
22:52:59amiconnjhMikeS: That's th etarget specific part of course. What I mean is restructuring the shutdown handling so that ata waits until other threads have saved settings, backlight and lcd are put in a defined state, and no thread "just ends"
22:53:35Lloreandomonoky: I will check this later, but my problem is with the .voice file (which may or may not be a different issue)
22:54:08amiconnAll threads must enter well defined states, from where they can return to normal operation
22:54:08LloreanWhat's strange is that it's inconsistent which strings get cut off and which don't.
22:54:21LloreanOnes that end with "ing" for example never do. Ones that end with quieter sounds do.
22:54:27LloreanI thought maybe it would have to do with wavtrim
22:54:53n1sLlorean: very possible, the silence detection is pretty crude iirc
22:55:03jhMikeSamiconn: I think I'll have to handle charger insertion (interrupts can wake it and put it back in a sleep mode to kick the PMIC into full charging).
22:55:08domonokyi also first though about wavtrim, but there are also cutoff talkfiles, and they dont use wavtrim..
22:55:10amiconnThis will also benefit normal shutdown, as it will reduce the hackshness
22:55:28Lloreann1s: I tried changing the threshold a lot in both directions and it didn't seem to affect the way the file sounded at all.
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22:56:01amiconnThe suspend mde itself isn't very difficult on 2nd Gen, although it's a little more than just running the PP at 32kHz
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22:56:35n1sLlorean: is it inconsistent between voice files or does the strings that are cut off change while using a single one?
22:56:55amiconnThe Wolfson and LCD need to be put into suspend, and the RAM needs to be put in low-power self-refresh mode, during which it becomes inaccessible.
22:57:13amiconnThis means all code that has to run during suspend needs to be in iram
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22:58:51amiconnFortunately only very little is needed. The wake-up check can be polled (the intc wakes up the core when an enabled interrupt arrives, even if interrupts are disabled at the arm core level)
22:59:15amiconn...and buttons use GPIO
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23:01:52ThibGHm... I'm going to sleep... I'll test rockbox on my D2 soon :)
23:03:49Lloreann1s: Always the same strings with my testing so far (though domonoky has reminded me of an important case I entirely forgot to test)
23:06:30preglowjhMikeS: any opinions on the patch?
23:07:12jhMikeSpreglow: I want to apply it to the tree and have a look first. From the diff it looks good but it's not as clear that way.
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23:12:45jhMikeSpreglow: looks fine in the voice_thread.c area
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23:14:03jhMikeSthough maybe queue_lock should be talk_queue_lock (to avoid future kernel conflicts)
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23:27:58ThibGI've bricked my D2! tcc didn't found it, but it's broken now!
23:28:29*linuxstb thought ThibG was going to sleep...
23:28:48ThibGI'm not :)
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23:29:41*jhMikeS thinks something's keeping ThibG awake
23:29:58*bluebrother suspects it being a D2
23:30:06ThibGOk, my D2 boots, with the magic little button
23:30:27*linuxstb suspects it might not in fact be bricked...
23:30:37ThibGhowever, tcctool don't find it
23:31:00ThibGyep :)
23:31:09linuxstbWhat OS are you using?
23:31:23ThibGlinux ( debian testing )
23:32:37linuxstbWhen you attach your D2 in usb-boot mode, do you see it appear in dmesg? Does "lsusb -v" show it?
23:33:59ThibGoh, root sees it, not my normal user
23:35:19ThibGRunning it with root, I have : [ERR] usb_set_configuration failed (-110)
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23:38:01ThibGunplugging/plugging works
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23:39:44cakofonyI just bought an ipod nano 3rd generation with a broken screen for $5, is there any way to get rockbox working on it?
23:40:21ThibGWhat is this supposed to say after « Sum: 2E48F11 » ?
23:40:25cakofonyFrom what I read, there isnt, but I saw a vid on youtube of somebody with it working
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23:41:13gevaertscakofony: what you read is correct
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23:41:50cakofonygevaerts: is there anything I could use that reads out song names for me? How should I use it w/o the screen?
23:42:06cakofonyI can use it how it is, just like a shuffle...
23:42:09DerPapstcakofony: blind and hoping you hit the correct menu
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23:43:53ThibGoh, nice, I have RockBox working :)
23:44:02ThibGI'll try it, good bye :)
23:46:05ThibGHm, before I leave... Is rockbox supposed to be bootable without USB?
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23:55:12preglowjhMikeS: well, feel free to comment on the task
23:55:25preglowi haven't really tried the patch yet either
23:55:45preglowahh, you have, i see
23:56:09jhMikeSa couple times

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