#rockbox 2008-04-25

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#rockbox log for 2008-04-25

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00:07:35	Bagder	I think we should consider removing the iriver IFP7xx simulator build from the table
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00:09:55	gevaerts	We need room for ZVM in the table
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00:11:45	Bagder	haha, yeah
00:11:57	Bagder	seriously, the ifp7xx is a pretty dead port by now
00:12:20	w1ll14m	ifp7xx ?
00:12:44	Bagder	old flash player
00:13:03	w1ll14m	hmm
00:13:06	w1ll14m	never heard of it :)
00:13:31	Bagder	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverIfpPort
00:13:37	*	w1ll14m googles
00:14:13	w1ll14m	ahh
00:14:31	w1ll14m	looks indeed a bit dead
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00:15:18	w1ll14m	well gnight all ;)
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00:16:33	jhMikeS	Why can't the build talble just have multiple rows? Split 1/2 and 1/2?
00:16:52	preglow	one table for sims and one for target might be nice enough
00:17:52	amiconn	Why split? Sure, the current table needs a bit of horizontal scrolling, but if you split vertically, you need to scroll vertically instead in order to see everything
00:17:56	DerPapst	the table still fits on my screen :-)
00:18:02	amiconn	So nothing would be gained
00:18:43	jhMikeS	nothing is sometimes somebody else's something :)
00:19:19	*	jhMikeS just requests rb funds for a bigger screen :)
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00:20:39	*	amiconn currently has the rightmost 6 builds clipped in the default view, and can see all builds at once by scrolling right somewhat (although without the timestamp and score columns)
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00:21:56	*	jhMikeS counts 5 with a maxed window (no timestamp included)
00:22:15	Llorean	Bagder: I'd say removing the iFP simulator is fine since the target doesn't build any more (last I checked) and nobody's working on it.
00:22:45	jhMikeS	or perhaps an error/warning summary table just to see really quickly if anything more is worth looking at
00:23:25	Bagder	yeah, like the top row in a different/summarized way
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00:24:04	Bagder	ok, I've disabled the ifp7 sim build now
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00:24:19	DerPapst	like whe you hover over the number you see what got how many points, e.g. 0 \| 0 \| 4 :-)
00:25:01	Bagder	I have an idea in the pipe that'll hide allzero-columns with javascript
00:25:19	Bagder	and a "show all" button that shows them all
00:25:47	Llorean	Bagder: How 'bout hiding allzero, "most recent build is zero", or show all?
00:25:57	Bagder	yes, something like that
00:26:14	Bagder	it'll probably depend a little on my javascript talents ;-)
00:26:16	Llorean	Since, except when we're suffering shotgun warnings, old build errors/warnings probably aren't a real concern. :)
00:26:31	Bagder	righ, it should mostly focus on the topmost row
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00:27:28	amiconn	Bagder: If you're going for that, please make the setting persistent (with a cookie)
00:27:30	amiconn	There are already 2 clicks to get from the front page to the build table :/
00:28:20	Bagder	there's a concept called bookmarks you could try! ;-)
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00:29:00	Bagder	but yes, having it persistent would be cool
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00:51:55	Spartanq77	What's the easiest way to install loader 2 if you have rockbox installed and you're using a winpod?
00:52:23	Spartanq77	I'm using a 1st generation ipod nano
00:52:57	scorche\|sh	Spartanq77: that is offtopic here...loader 2 is not our software
00:53:11	Spartanq77	Also, is it possible to get rockbox to support DRM files or no?
00:53:26	scorche\|sh	no
00:53:37	Spartanq77	didn't think so. Thanks though.
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00:54:17	Spartanq77	what emulators come with rockbox? I know rockboy, any more? Like a mame emulator?
00:54:32	krazykit	Spartanq77, this is covered in the manual
00:54:34	preglow	a pacman emu
00:55:41	Spartanq77	sorry, just noticed that. Just wondering if other emulator support was possible...
00:56:53	scorche\|sh	there are more emulators...just go through the manual ;)
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00:57:41	Spartanq77	Just went through one part, it didn't specify how to get pacman roms, so I'm assuming it's illegal? Or I didn't read through good enough?
00:58:10	DerPapst	correct
00:58:23	DerPapst	you have to own the game and make the dumps yourself
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00:58:27	preglow	it's not illegal if you happen to own a copy
00:58:32	preglow	but then again, they are arcade roms...
00:58:45	Spartanq77	What file format would it be?
00:58:53	preglow	probably just plain binary dumps
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00:59:07	DerPapst	s/a copy/a huge machine/
00:59:09	scorche\|sh	check the wiki page...it also gives an MD5 for the files, i think
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01:01:17	Spartanq77	would the pacman emulator only support the original pacman or mrs. pacman as well?
01:02:33	Spartanq77	also, can you download more .rock games? sorry for the many question
01:02:58	DerPapst	all avalable ".rock games" are already installed
01:03:37	DerPapst	depends on the emulator. iirc there is no emulator that suppords all arcade roms
01:04:59	DerPapst	some plugins in a more or less commitable state are still on the tracker though such as 1drockblox and amaze. they might be included in future rockbox versions
01:05:09	DerPapst	;-)
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01:05:18	Spartanq77	Thank you
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02:08:39	DerPapst	is there a way to force the backlight off in plugins? similar to how backlight_force_on() works?
02:09:29	amiconn	backlight_force_on() is a simplification, implemented in the pluginlib
02:09:46	DerPapst	just saw it.
02:10:07	amiconn	If you want to do more, you need to use backlight_set_timeout() directly
02:10:12	DerPapst	shall i add backlight_force_off() to helper.[c\|h] or just do it in the plugin itsself?
02:12:29	DerPapst	btw, does the m3 remote have backlight too?
02:12:32	amiconn	I'd do it in the plugin, unless you know another plugin that could use that helper
02:12:35	amiconn	yes
02:13:13	DerPapst	do you think it's worth having flashlight there too?
02:13:31	scorche\|sh	heh...
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02:13:42	amiconn	Just handle it the same as an ordinary lcd for display content and backlight. You just need to take care when assigning buttons (most plugins should have their main controls on the remote buttons)
02:14:29	DerPapst	it's b&w anyways... so it wouldn't need any buttons.
02:14:32	amiconn	Although, since the flashlight doesn't need close control, it might be useful to have it controllable from both remote and main buttons
02:15:04	amiconn	You need at least an exit button, and the on/off stuff (if you're going to add that)
02:15:18	DerPapst	mh. true.
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02:15:51	DerPapst	good night
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02:24:31	Byron	hey all, is there a firmware issue with Rockbox and the c200 series of Sansa players?
02:24:51	Byron	I was told that I needed the v1 of the firmware on the e200 but is that the same on the c200?
02:24:59	DerPapst	yes
02:25:10	Byron	okay, I am just de-boxing it now
02:25:20	DerPapst	it's not a problem with the original firmware but with different hardware
02:25:32	DerPapst	they're looking the same but the internal are different
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02:26:36	Byron	how do I find the firmware of this c200?
02:26:58	DerPapst	i don't know. i don't own one
02:27:09	DerPapst	maybe somewhere in setting. no idea
02:28:35	Byron	crap, this is v03.02.05A
02:28:46	Byron	too new, right?
02:28:57	DerPapst	iirc that's a V2 yes
02:29:14	Byron	damn
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02:29:43	Byron	Any idea when a build for the new hardware might be slated for development?
02:30:37	DerPapst	no, sorry. this depends on how many people are willing to work on it.
02:30:39	DerPapst	and that's currently no one
02:30:51	webguest55	http://plzdontblock.us/index.php?q=uggc%3A%2F%2Fsbehzf.ebpxobk.bet%2Fvaqrk.cuc%3Fgbcvp%3D14064.0
02:30:56	webguest55	sorry
02:31:08	Byron	That's okay
02:31:18	webguest55	there are two forum posts that have the progress so far
02:31:24	webguest55	i just can't get to them right now
02:32:48	Byron	was that directed to me webguest55?
02:33:09	webguest55	yes, sorry, i should've made that clear
02:33:16	Byron	that's okay
02:33:25	Byron	so there IS progress being made?
02:33:59	Byron	I guess I'll have to return this to Best Buy
02:34:17	Byron	unless a version will be out by the time I give this thing to my girlfriend.
02:34:26	DerPapst	some stuff is already figured out
02:34:33	DerPapst	but no one is working on it
02:34:47	Byron	okay, well I think I'll return it and try for a v1 again
02:34:49	webguest55	yeah, this patch, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8843
02:34:54	webguest55	holds potential
02:36:58	Byron	Yeah, atleast it's on the table if anyone wants to work on it.
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02:37:05	Byron	I wish I knew how to develop stuff like this.
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03:10:15	Byron	Blair, I got my headset working
03:11:10	Byron	and it's stereo
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03:24:21	DerPapst	bah... flashlight.c is ifdef hell now :-D
03:24:59	DerPapst	60% of it is preprocessor stuff. but mostly because of the keymaps :-P
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04:40:49	JdGordon	DerPapst: use the actions stuff then
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04:43:35	DerPapst	JdGordon: nah... works fine so far :-)
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04:45:00	DerPapst	btw. have seen my pms right after you went afk
04:45:02	DerPapst	?
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04:52:43	jpt9	What's the biggest MicroSD card Rockbox supports on a Sansa e250R?
04:53:11	DerPapst	the biggest you can buy
04:53:38	jpt9	so it works with SDHC then?
04:54:03	DerPapst	iirc yes
04:54:07	JdGordon	DerPapst: you dont even need to use the pluginlib_actions stuff... you just need next/prev/exit right? you could use action = rb->get_action(CONTEXT_STD< TIMEOUT_BLOCK); and no button defines ever need fdiling
04:54:27	JdGordon	and yes, did your revert get it working again?
04:54:31	jpt9	hmm... there's a Transcend 8GB one for $30 on Amazon...
04:54:49	JdGordon	just make sure thats microSDHC...
04:54:58	JdGordon	$30 sounds too cheap for a micro
04:55:28	DerPapst	JdGordon: it where only 4 lines i added. i uncommented them and still didn't get it to work
04:55:49	JdGordon	oh nuts... it was working fine here on the sim...
04:56:13	jpt9	at least I thought I saw it...
04:56:18	DerPapst	i only tested it on the sim too.
04:56:31	*	DerPapst chekcs again to make sure he doesn't make a mistake
04:56:38	JdGordon	and you selected some files and actually had them in the archos folder?
04:56:47	DerPapst	yep
04:57:44	JdGordon	isnt it about 5am your time?
04:58:07	DerPapst	hm.. now it worked :-S
04:58:10	DerPapst	confusing
04:58:11	jpt9	whoops... didn't notice that it was SD, not MicroSD...
04:58:23	DerPapst	yes :-P
04:58:41	JdGordon	go to sleep! :p
04:58:50	JdGordon	damn wierdo :)
04:59:31	DerPapst	;-)
04:59:45	DerPapst	testing wild cards again...
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05:00:49	JdGordon	lunch time, bbl
05:01:20	DerPapst	btw, i agree that as default all files sould be selected.
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05:02:31	DerPapst	because it's annoying if you want to remove all standard crap and have to fiddle with this text input stuff first.
05:02:49	DerPapst	i still haven't figured out how to use it
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05:57:17	DerPapst	mmh... rb->lcd_set_invert_display(true); doesn't seem to work. at least not for the m:robe 100 sim
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06:14:10	JdGordon	that could just be a stub for a few targets
06:14:25	JdGordon	I think thats only implemented if the target can do it in hardware?
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06:15:42	DerPapst	don't know. but the sim should somehow recreate this behavior i think. Though i don't know how hard that would be for 1bit displays.
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06:31:13	DerPapst	amiconn: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8934 :-)
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08:26:16	amiconn	DerPapst: Some minor nitpicks (didn't actually try it yet): (1) Remote buttons for H1x0/H300: better use BUTTON_RC_STOP as QUIT, for consistency. (2) The plugin now needs button definitions for Ondio too (for the 2 existing backlight modded Ondio), otherwise it won't compile. BUTTON_MENU and BUTTON_OFF are sensible choices.
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08:37:14	rp-	is there a way to prevent building of a plugin for some targets?
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08:49:20	rp-	B4gder you are the build expert right? :0
08:49:57	B4gder	probably, yes
08:50:08	linuxstb	rp-: The apps/plugins/SOURCES (and SUBDIRS) files are used for that
08:50:32	rp-	so there are entries for every target?
08:51:23	linuxstb	It's processed by the C pre-processor. If you look at it, it should be clear how it works
08:51:36	rp-	because my plugin doesn't work on targets with LCD_DEPTH < 16, so it would be silly to build it and put it in the .rockbox directory for them
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08:52:07	linuxstb	Then you just put the name of the .c file inside a #ifdef LCD_DEPTH==16 section - there is probably already one
08:52:19	linuxstb	s/ifdef/if
08:52:31	rp-	yes i have one
08:52:45	rp-	put it still gets distributed int the .rockbox directory
08:53:12	B4gder	did you do a make clean in between?
08:53:21	rp-	proberly not :)
08:53:33	B4gder	make zip is made to ignore empty or non-existing files so it really shouldn't get that file included
08:53:39	linuxstb	A better solution is to make it work on targets with LCD_DEPTH < 16 though ;)
08:54:25	rp-	that is not really an option, its a game which relys on colors
08:54:38	rp-	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8925
08:55:18	linuxstb	Then make it rely on shapes/patterns. Or maybe use the greyscale lib.
08:56:37	rp-	i will check if this will work, but i'm not sure.
08:57:20	linuxstb	How big are the items, and how many different colours do you need?
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08:58:14	rp-	the board is 18x12
08:58:35	rp-	the smallest size i have for a cell is 3 pixels + 1 for the boarder
08:59:03	rp-	but the cell size gets bigger, depending on LCD_WIDTH/HEIGHT
08:59:28	rp-	so it may be an option on targets with a big screen, but without color
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09:00:14	linuxstb	Do you mean it's 18x12 cells, and each cell is 4 pixels (or bigger) ?
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09:01:34	rp-	exactly
09:02:05	linuxstb	Why so small? We don't have any 72x48 LCDs.
09:02:57	rp-	on the top i also have a "status" display for current score and level which takes 10 pixel
09:03:38	rp-	and as i tested it on an sansa c200 sim, it had the right size for that
09:04:44	linuxstb	The C200's LCD is 132x80 pixels, so you could make it 6x6 if you reduced the status bar in size to 8 pixels
09:05:56	rp-	ok that might be possible, but the number of colors increase by the level you gain
09:06:56	rp-	but it is very unlikly that you reach lvl 6 or 7, that would mean 7 or 8 colors
09:07:17	rp-	level + 1 = the color count
09:07:43	amiconn	What does the number of colours have to do with cell size?
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09:08:32	rp-	on a target with colors, absolutly nothing, but if you try to repsent the colors as patterns it becomes a problem
09:08:36	rp-	or i'm missing something?
09:08:51	rp-	-repsent +represent
09:09:00	amiconn	Ah, so that's your concern
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09:09:35	amiconn	Sometimes it needs a bit of experimentation, but different shapes often work better than one might think first
09:10:04	amiconn	Check out bubbles on the M3 or even archos as an example
09:10:20	rp-	i know the game only as color version, so i never tought of porting it to a pattern based approach
09:11:23	rp-	yeah i saw it, and it looked pretty cool for that
09:14:12	amiconn	Btw, it's actually a little harder to play on M3 even though it has a higher resolution, because of the smaller pixels. That's something you cannot notice in the sim.
09:15:36	markun	rp-: I wonder how difficult your game will be for 'colour blind' rockbox users (such as me) :)
09:17:44	rp-	oh, never thought of such users :)
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09:24:31	GodEater	markun: are you "classically" colour blind? (i.e. red / green are the tricky ones)
09:26:57	markun	yes
09:27:29	rp-	so you should atleast have no problem with the first level ( green / blue) :)
09:27:42	markun	no, probably not
09:27:43	GodEater	so as long as rp- avoids those edge cases you should be ok ;)
09:28:01	markun	it depends a lot on the shades of the colours
09:28:18	GodEater	I have a colour blind friend who tried to explain it to me
09:28:33	GodEater	as I understood it, the trouble is with pastel shades of the colours
09:28:34	markun	for example I asked Zagor a few years ago to change the greens and reds in the rockbox wiki so I could see the difference
09:28:50	rp-	i could move the red color to later levels, which will probably never readed
09:28:57	rp-	reached
09:29:46	GodEater	I think the default colour scheme on mibbit would be a problem to someone colour blind - it would be hard to tell if the background was green or red
09:30:07	markun	rp-: if you want to know what it will look like you can pass the screenshots through this site
09:30:10	markun	http://www.vischeck.com/
09:31:03	markun	hm, they changed the site a bit since I last visited it
09:32:37	rp-	thanks
09:43:45	B4gder	I love the eagerness of "keenox" in the x20 thread in the forum, but something tells me he has a long way until they have something to run on the iriver x20
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09:50:29	advcomp2019	B4gder, if they do the insignia ns-dv would have it too since you can converter the insignia ns-dv to a iriver x20 with a simple firmware upgrade
09:51:19	B4gder	given the current posts, I think that's way over their heads...
09:51:36	B4gder	but I won't judge, they can learn fast
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10:36:41	pondlife	Bagder: ping
10:37:22	pondlife	Was there any more discussion on the width of the build table?
10:37:50	B4gder	mostly just additional ideas being thrown around
10:39:48	B4gder	I think what has the best possibility is something that can present the top row in a more condensed way
10:40:23	pondlife	How about having one column per target, suppress 0 and prefix errors/warnings with b for boot or s for sim. So the D2 column would currently be yellow, reading 3,and the M:Robe 500 column would be yellow reading 2 s1
10:40:58	pondlife	The widths should be similar to the delta table.
10:41:20	*	pondlife doesn't know if that made much sense...
10:41:42	pondlife	I mean, you'd have a 0 if no errors occurred, but no need for 0 s0 b0
10:42:12	pondlife	And any error on all 3 type of build would give red. Any warning gives yellow
10:42:28	pondlife	Insert plurals as required to form English... ;)
10:42:59	B4gder	well, we still want to provide links to all build logs
10:43:28	pondlife	Do you need logs for good builds?
10:43:44	B4gder	I think perhaps we put the current "full table" on a separate page, and present just the first row's non-zero builds on the main build table page
10:43:58	pondlife	This suggestion would allow links to all warning/error build logs..
10:44:11	B4gder	pondlife: yes, it shows which server that did it etc and is sometimes useful for tracking down build behaviours
10:44:12	pondlife	I think we have too many build pages as it is...
10:44:40	B4gder	true
10:44:53	pondlife	You'd only lose the build log for a good sim or good bootloader build
10:45:00	pondlife	But I see your point
10:45:28	B4gder	well, we could also _always_ use three lines for each target column
10:45:38	B4gder	normal/sim/boot
10:45:58	pondlife	That would be show the recent build nicely and you'd only have to scroll for history...
10:46:05	pondlife	Makes sense..
10:46:33	pondlife	Perhaps add a 4th line for the normal build delta too, and scrap the delta table
10:46:45	B4gder	oh, that'd be nice
10:47:07	pondlife	THEN... we'd be able to have a longer build/delta history
10:47:27	pondlife	No need to worry about how long the page is (within reason, for loading speed)
10:48:08	B4gder	and I think perhaps moving the "score" column to the left side of all targets, since that's something like "total health" for them all
10:51:01	pondlife	Yes, that would probably look nicer too
10:51:34	pondlife	Score would have room for the average delta too. and maybe the average build speed?
10:51:45	pondlife	(i.e. if we're using 4 rows)
10:52:28	pondlife	Build score - server count - seconds/build - average delta
10:56:59	B4gder	might become a bit messy to read though
10:57:11	pondlife	I'd have to see it I think
10:57:14	B4gder	yeah
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10:59:50	*	petur spots some nice ideas
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11:01:06	petur	If you use multiple rows per build, I'd like the rows to have an alternating slightly different blue per build so that you can visually keep builds separated
11:02:53	B4gder	that'll probably help, yes
11:03:32	petur	and the N/S/B indication could also be put in a left column
11:04:54	B4gder	I'll need to hack up a first version and then we can tweak it from there for all the little details
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11:05:31	B4gder	I'll just visit that spare time store and get me a large supply
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11:06:38	petur	bring some for me while you're in there
11:06:55	petur	also a large one please
11:06:58	amiconn	B4gder: Hmm, integrating health and delta will probably be rather messy
11:07:02	*	gevaerts also wants some
11:07:05	amiconn	The colours have different meanings
11:07:29	B4gder	yes
11:07:40	B4gder	not to mention how messy it'll be for me to merge my two separate scripts... :-)
11:08:00	amiconn	But that would fix the target order...
11:08:05	petur	the 'keep the buildtable green' would get another meaning though ;)
11:08:05	B4gder	haha, yes
11:08:12	amiconn	(at least make it consistent)
11:09:15	B4gder	when you read the scripts, you'll realize why the consistency isn't that easy as things are t oday
11:10:48	amiconn	Are they included in the www module?
11:11:10	B4gder	yes
11:11:16	B4gder	although they're not used live from there
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11:27:48	gevaerts	I'm not sure about the exchange rate though
11:27:52	*	petur so far has only lost time at the bank
11:28:09	petur	got little money in return, btw
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14:16:42	preglow	hmm
14:17:11	preglow	it seems we might have to ressurect the hardware eq again :/
14:17:45	linuxstb	For the D2?
14:18:10	preglow	yes, it seems to have a genuine wm8985
14:18:15	preglow	hrm
14:18:24	preglow	but this time we're going to do it proper
14:18:29	preglow	rather keep it as a mode switch for the ordinary eq
14:18:50	linuxstb	What do you mean?
14:19:01	preglow	well, last time we did hw eq, we had two separate eq screens
14:19:09	preglow	one for sweq, one for hweq
14:19:17	preglow	i want to combine them, and rather just have an option for which to use
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14:20:49	linuxstb	Wouldn't it be useful to be able to use both? e.g. one or two bands in hw, and some in software?
14:21:32	preglow	i can see how it would be useful in the sense of being able to do absolutely everything the hardware supports, yes, but in practice, not really
14:22:25	preglow	i'm checking to see if the d2 firmware uses the hw eq now
14:22:49	preglow	yeah, it uses the hardware one
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14:25:04	preglow	linuxstb: we could have that mode switch be per band, i guess
14:25:14	preglow	but i'm still not very keen on the idea
14:25:27	linuxstb	Yes, I was thinking that. But I never use the EQ, so don't have any strong opinions
14:25:33	preglow	well, me neither
14:25:49	pondlife	What if the HW EQ is more limited in some parameter?
14:25:58	preglow	i'm thinking more in the perspective of making rockbox as easy to use as possible
14:26:02	preglow	pondlife: it is, by far
14:26:15	pondlife	So, even per band you'd have some fun...
14:26:22	preglow	pondlife: how?
14:26:41	preglow	pondlife: all its options are more limited, each band has four possible frequency settings, two bandwidth settings, and narrower gain range
14:26:50	Llorean	preglow: Is it possible to make it transparent?
14:26:55	preglow	Llorean: as in how?
14:27:00	Llorean	If you land on an option the HW-eq can do, that band uses it, otherwise it uses software?
14:27:19	preglow	Llorean: i'd steer away from that, the hw eq and sw eq are not guaranteed to sound the same for the same settings
14:27:25	pondlife	I mean, if you have a band set to SW EQ with a massive gain cut, then the user switches it to HW EQ.
14:27:35	pondlife	i.e. now the gain is out of range
14:27:44	preglow	pondlife: yes, and it'll be clipped to range, i don't see a problem
14:28:04	preglow	pondlife: the fact that the hw eq is limited will be very visible, you won't have a choice of parameters outside the allowed range when in hw mode
14:28:08	Llorean	preglow: I just thought that'd tie in with the "as easy to use" :)
14:28:21	preglow	Llorean: easy to use, but not very transparent, i value transparency
14:28:22	*	linuxstb wonders if it's even worthwhile to use the hw eq at all (apart from bass/treble)
14:28:41	Llorean	The hardware's fast enough it shouldn't be a real concern, right?
14:28:46	preglow	linuxstb: well, i see your point, but i also think it's a shame not to utilize the hardware fully
14:28:49	linuxstb	Yes, but there's also the power issue
14:28:56	Llorean	True
14:29:59	preglow	Llorean: mixing hardware and software dsp also has the unfortunate side effect of latency in the software part, but not hardware, the user might balk at the effects of this if the fact that the hardware is being used for some settings is not clear
14:30:07	linuxstb	Does the D2 OF have a user-configurable EQ?
14:30:20	preglow	linuxstb: yes, but it's clearly hardware based, all settings are as per the wm data sheet
14:30:29	Llorean	preglow: Ah, now that's a concern I much more relate to.
14:31:12	preglow	Llorean: overall, i think it's important to make the difference between hw and sw processing visible, if latency was not such a concern, i would not be as adamant on that
14:31:38	preglow	but it is, and is going to stay that way until we have some pretty radical changes :/
14:32:08	linuxstb	What about a "EQ Type" setting - "Hardware, Software, Both". We then either display 1 or 2 EQ settings screens, depending on the selection. So if the user wants to be confused, he/she can be.
14:32:51	Llorean	preglow: Yeah, I hadn't thought of the latency issue. I do agree now.
14:33:21	preglow	linuxstb: sounds like unneeded complexity to only allow a minority of users to use both at the same time
14:34:08	preglow	the one thing i would like to avoid is duplicating the entire eq settings system
14:34:17	preglow	if that is avoided, i'm open to pretty much anything
14:34:34	linuxstb	It seems a simpler option (and clearer) than trying to merge the two.
14:35:10	preglow	indeed, but also less user-friendly
14:35:27	preglow	anyway, i guess who does the code gets to decide in the end :>
14:35:36	preglow	i've got a sneaking suspicion it won't be me
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15:07:32	J-23	I'm trying to patch Rockbox with http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5744?getfile=13556, but "patch -Np0 < usb_charge_by_default.patch" returns http://pastebin.com/d63f74192
15:09:00	gevaerts	That patch is _old_, and the code changed a lot since then
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15:10:00	J-23	So how can I configure Rockbox to don't restart after connecting to computer?
15:11:54	gevaerts	Change usb.c, near line 197. You can probably use the patch you linked to as a reference
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15:50:43	Dr_Who	i got some problems with the bootloader anyone maybe can help me
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16:42:36	pondlife	LambdaCalculus37: If I were Dr Who, I'd travel to Sweden at various points in the future, and binary chop the timeline until I found the best ever version of Rockbox. No need for SVN :)
16:43:24	pondlife	But maybe that's what led to his bootloader problem :/
16:44:41	LambdaCalculus37	pondlife: Hehe... :)
16:46:20	*	scorche\|sh expresses his hate for people who think his "name" is "Dr. Who" and sits firmly in #rockbox-community if anyone wishes to discuss
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17:32:30	Bger	anyone here who has put an ZIF HDD in his/her iriver H3x0 ?
17:33:38	pixelma	I believe LinusN did, not sure though
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17:35:37	LambdaCalculus37	pixelma: I think LinusN did with an H1x0; not sure about the H3x0.
17:35:54	LambdaCalculus37	I don't see any reason why it shouldn't work as long as you have a good adapter.
17:35:59	Bger	LambdaCalculus37 yep, that's what i read in the wiki
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17:36:14	Bger	LambdaCalculus37 i'm concerned about the space inside ..
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17:36:49	LambdaCalculus37	Bger: LinusN mentioned this one adapter he used that still gave him enough space.
17:37:02	Bger	(and having in mind that my h340 is with high-capacity battery...)
17:37:03	LambdaCalculus37	LinusN: Knock knock.
17:37:09	pixelma	yeah, now I seem to remember. He said something about the space here, would have to search the logs
17:37:19	LambdaCalculus37	Ah, he's not here right now.
17:37:44	pixelma	LambdaCalculus37: enough space in the H100...
17:38:17	spelling2	what to do to someone who has gotten something easier than you and continue to get it easier and is not your friend but enemy alike?
17:39:05	Bger	spelling2 erm... wrong channel ?
17:39:51	Bger	pixelma i should ask LinusN directly ... thank you anyway
17:40:14	Bger	(at least he has both targets)
17:42:23	LambdaCalculus37	pixelma: I want to ask LinusN what the adapter was that he bought.
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18:05:53	preglow	shotofadds: aye
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18:07:35	shotofadds	there was some discussion of the wm8985 eq earlier, shouldn't we just treat is the same as wm8758 (the eq's almost identical). currently that uses HW for bass/treble controls and software for the full EQ.
18:07:47	shotofadds	s/is/it
18:07:53	preglow	shotofadds: the 8758 doesn't have the full eq, only the upper and lower bands
18:08:01	preglow	shotofadds: we have a proper 8985, which has a full eq
18:08:21	shotofadds	oh, so it has registers for bands 1-5 but only uses upper and lower?
18:08:29	preglow	well, we don't have the exact datasheet for that chip
18:08:34	preglow	i think the 8985 datasheet is the closest match
18:08:40	shotofadds	yopu mean they just don't work, then?
18:08:43	preglow	we've been unable to make any band but the upper and lower work
18:09:00	shotofadds	I see. that's a damn good reason ;)
18:09:05	preglow	ignoring a full eq in hardware would be unwise, if you ask me
18:09:09	preglow	some people might find it satisfactory
18:09:26	preglow	our current eq sucks about 1 mhz per band
18:10:11	shotofadds	"satisfactory", certainly. It's what the OF uses, but at least some people moan about the 80Hz lower band.
18:10:18	preglow	indeed
18:10:26	preglow	what's wrong with it?
18:10:53	shotofadds	it sounds fine to me, but I have cloth ears...
18:10:57	preglow	heh
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18:11:07	preglow	the sw eq has bugs currently too, but at least i can fix those
18:12:15	shotofadds	so would we use SW bass/treble controls and the H/W equalizer?
18:12:35	preglow	a good question
18:12:50	preglow	my plan was to kind of integrate the sw and hw eqs to one screen
18:12:56	preglow	but that does not solve the tone controls
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18:13:44	shotofadds	it'd be good to allow the full flexibility, but my suggestion keeps the UI simple ;-)
18:13:59	preglow	it does indeed
18:14:03	preglow	we'll see, it's a far way off :V
18:14:48	shotofadds	yeah, you need to get sound working first :p
18:15:41	preglow	and nand...
18:15:46	preglow	that's going to be a bitch to complete
18:15:49	preglow	a real bitch
18:17:48	shotofadds	I don't need you to tell me that...
18:18:08	shotofadds	I think NAND comes first (fixing read, at least). It's kind of a pre-requisite for playing music
18:18:19	preglow	yeah, i'm thinking lcd and nand right now
18:18:32	preglow	and lcd really is nothing compared to nand
18:18:41	preglow	minor bug-fixing
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18:18:46	shotofadds	what do you want to do to the LCD driver?
18:19:00	shotofadds	apart from the clipped line(s) it works, doesn't it?
18:19:05	preglow	not much, fix bugs, really. i guess using dma and the like can come in the future
18:19:33	preglow	btw, is the display 24 bit? the telechips lcd interface only goes up to 18 bits, it seems
18:20:52	shotofadds	the display is 24bit, and the datasheet specifies how to use 888bpp. I didn't fancy coding a 24bit driver just yet...
18:21:24	preglow	no, let's ignora that for now too
18:21:38	preglow	but still, the telechips interface only seems to support 18 bits
18:22:06	shotofadds	where did you read that?
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18:34:54	zeroth__	hi guys. Anyone here have some experience with IDA Pro?
18:37:00	markun	zeroth__: some, but probably better to talk about it in #rockbox-community
18:37:20	zeroth__	I'm having a bit of difficulty getting ida to see instructions in the firmware. And the firmware is written for an ARM 926 core? Would that make things more difficult/harder?
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18:37:30	LambdaCalculus37	What firmware?
18:38:03	zeroth__	for the Creative ZEN
18:38:29	zeroth__	it uses an Sigmatel STMP37xx chip, for which the core is an ARM 926.
18:38:34	markun	the firmware is not encrypted?
18:38:43	markun	(or at least de-crypted)
18:38:56	zeroth__	I've decrypted it.
18:39:23	markun	and little endian I assume?
18:39:34	zeroth__	arm-elf-objdump produces actual instructions, whereas IDA keeps giving me DCB...
18:39:37	zeroth__	yes, little-endia
18:39:39	zeroth__	n
18:40:08	markun	do you have a link to the firmware for me to try?
18:40:28	zeroth__	I'll put it up, sure.
18:40:32	zeroth__	give me a minute.
18:40:49	markun	thanks
18:42:18	preglow	zeroth__: ida pro requires you to mark out what data is code yourself
18:42:25	zeroth__	ah
18:42:36	preglow	press "c" with the cursor on some data and it'll try
18:42:47	preglow	it'll tell you if it fail, and if it does, the data is usually actually just that, data
18:42:51	preglow	a constant pool or some other table
18:43:13	zeroth__	hmm
18:43:23	markun	works pretty well
18:43:52	markun	although sometimes I wish it would go through the whole file and guess if it's an instruction or not
18:43:58	preglow	me too......
18:44:08	zeroth__	yeah, same here obviously
18:44:23	markun	let's make our own arm disassembler do that :)
18:44:32	zeroth__	there we go, getting some stuff
18:44:43	zeroth__	use arm-elf-disassembler, and then add on a gui
18:45:47	zeroth__	here's the decrypted firmware
18:45:47	zeroth__	http://oddco.ca/orig-firm.bin
18:45:59	zeroth__	the first 24 bytes should be ignored.
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18:46:55	markun	thanks, but now that you have figured it out I don't think it's very useful for me to try it :)
18:47:40	zeroth__	lol
18:47:41	zeroth__	true
18:48:19	markun	there is a disassembler in the rockbox tree under utils/disassembler/arm
18:48:34	*	bertrik didn't know that
18:48:44	markun	but it needs work
18:49:33	zeroth__	yeah, ida has some interesting stuff.
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18:57:31	zeroth__	thanks guys.
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19:57:42	J-23	When I'm trying to compile Rockbox with http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4755 patch, I see a lot of errors - http://pastebin.com/d5447929a
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20:39:18	DerPapst	J-23: i guess you have applied the diff twice
20:40:04	DerPapst	the only thing that needs fixing are the calls to playback_control(rb);
20:40:30	DerPapst	change them to playback_control(rb, NULL);
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20:40:49	J-23	DerPapst: Can I use sed?
20:41:22	DerPapst	it's maybe 2 or 3 calls max
20:41:34	DerPapst	i'd be easier to do it manually.
20:41:54	DerPapst	also you have to remove every dublication
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20:43:29	J-23	DerPapst: Can I do it automatically?
20:43:30	DerPapst	i guess almost all files are containing their content twice (don't know how to explain better).
20:43:44	DerPapst	i doubt that
20:44:35	J-23	How?
20:44:36	DerPapst	remove everything, edit the diff file (the playback_control calls) and apply that again
20:44:47	DerPapst	i guess this is the fastes way.
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20:49:15	J-23	thanks
20:51:48	J-23	now it returns http://pastebin.com/dd4d5184 :/
20:54:12	DerPapst	looks odd. why are there pfrintf calls in?
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20:58:47	ApplianceBlue	i know 6th gen ipod is not supported, are there plans to have it supported in the future?
20:59:05	LambdaCalculus37	Only when someone works on it.
20:59:22	*	LambdaCalculus37 is not that someone
20:59:37	ApplianceBlue	has it been started?
20:59:43	Horscht	currently there is no one working on it.
20:59:49	ApplianceBlue	:/
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21:00:23	ApplianceBlue	bummer
21:00:51	Horscht	and so far, it seems that no one is interested in doing it, since there are some major obstacles to overcome
21:02:29	ApplianceBlue	problem is that i want folder structure organization
21:02:32	ApplianceBlue	and i just cant have it
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21:07:59	Danisregistered	hey faggots
21:07:59	LambdaCalculus37	So get a Rockbox-compatible DAP.
21:08:02	Danisregistered	how many of you are faggots?
21:08:08	Danisregistered	i'm a faggot.
21:08:25	DerPapst	scorche, scorche\|sh: ping
21:08:36	LambdaCalculus37	Danisregistered: We're humans, not cigarettes.
21:08:48	Danisregistered	how is that relevant LambdaCalculus37
21:09:23	LambdaCalculus37	Ask a British person. Now is there something we can help you with?
21:09:32	LambdaCalculus37	ApplianceBlue: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide
21:10:25	Danisregistered	no
21:10:30	Danisregistered	you can't help me with anything.
21:10:39	Danisregistered	you suck.
21:10:51	*	bluebrother wonders how that logbot thing worked again ...
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21:12:14	*	DerPapst thinks it should be documented somewhere :-P
21:12:32	*	LambdaCalculus37 agrees with DerPapst
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21:13:17	DerPapst	scorche\|sh, amiconn, the swedes....
21:13:31	DerPapst	don't know who else
21:13:37	krazykit	Llorean and lostlogic too i think
21:13:42	bluebrother	I think there was something different with summoning logbot
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21:15:54	bluebrother	DerPapst: what did you do?
21:16:03	DerPapst	nothing
21:16:14	LambdaCalculus37	DerPapst: You have a mighty power!
21:16:57	DerPapst	i guess when i start messing with logbot it kicks me :-P
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21:29:02	bluebrother	does someone know the usb PID of the Ipod Classic? We already can detect the Nano 2G/3G using the PID in Rockbox Utility, would be nice if we could the same for the Classic
21:29:38	LambdaCalculus37	bluebrother: I can get that later on.
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21:29:44	LambdaCalculus37	My brother and sister each have a Classic.
21:30:18	bluebrother	LambdaCalculus37: would be great ... could you also add it to the DeviceDetection wiki page?
21:30:28	domonoky	bluebrother: how your bootloader install rework going ? :-)
21:30:34	domonoky	+is
21:31:09	LambdaCalculus37	bluefrother: Sure thing. :)
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21:32:35	LambdaCalculus37	bluebrother: What happens when I type too fast. :)
21:32:41	bluebrother	domonoky: I now have the basic idea how to do it in my head. Will start a first try on the weekend.
21:32:48	bluebrother	let's see how far I'll get ;-)
21:33:04	domonoky	post a patch when you get stuck.. :-)
21:34:22	bluebrother	sure, will annoy you ;-)
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21:34:49	bluebrother	btw, your last commit "added" some warnings as "extra feature" ;-)
21:35:24	bluebrother	can you fix those? They are really annoying and I haven't figured out how to fix the copy constructor warning myself
21:35:26	domonoky	i somehow dont get this warnings... so thank you for fixing.. :-)
21:36:17	bluebrother	there's still one left: http://www.pastebin.ca/997687
21:37:37	bluebrother	but as the copy constructor is empty I'm wondering if it's needed at all?
21:38:31	domonoky	not really, as it is private, it just prevents you from copying the setting object...
21:39:19	domonoky	we could also remove it, and trust the programmers to not copy it.. as this is probably not working..:-)
21:39:40	bluebrother	I'm fine if you can explain me how to kill that remaining warning (or kill it yourself)
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21:45:45	domonoky	you just have to do what the warings says: create the parent object (QObject) explicitly by modifiying the copy contructor like this : RbSettings(const RbSettings& other) :QObject()
21:45:45	domonoky	{ (void)other; } :-)
21:46:16	DerPapst_	bother?
21:46:32	domonoky	but i will fix it myself.. :-)
21:46:40	bluebrother	ok, thanks
21:46:51	J-23	How can I fix http://pastebin.com/dd4d5184 ?
21:47:12	bluebrother	I only tried : QObject(other) −− thought I'd need a parameter
21:47:29	bluebrother	and didn't succeed with googling earlier ;-)
21:48:09	domonoky	it was the 4the entry on google with the exact waring message.. :-)
21:48:30	bluebrother	J-23: you're writing a plugin? Do you use the rb-> pointer to access the core functions?
21:48:49	*	bluebrother goes standing in the corner
21:48:56	J-23	I'm trying to compile Rockbox with Wikipedia plugin.
21:49:00	bluebrother	seems I was too tired yesterday evening
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21:51:15	domonoky	anyway thanxs for fixing my code... again.. :-)
21:52:20	bluebrother	hehe ... you're welcome
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22:00:04	fml	DerPapst_: hello. I've just added a comment to the flashlight plugin patch. But I might have understood something wrong, so use with care!
22:00:58	bluebrother	J-23: mww.c:1271 needs to read playback_control(rb, NULL);
22:01:16	bluebrother	if I change that it builds fine. What target are you trying?
22:01:34	J-23	Sansa c240
22:01:39	J-23	simulator
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22:03:12	J-23	now it returns http://pastebin.com/dc8a4a15
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22:06:58	bluebrother	J-23: seems the plugin doesn't like building for the sim
22:07:37	J-23	bluebrother: I'm trying to build it for real player.
22:10:02	J-23	and it returned http://pastebin.com/d7bd921bd
22:11:02	fml	DerPapst: hello. I've looked in other plugins and see that I'm right. USB requires a special return (if the plugin want to be a good citizen of course)
22:14:37	bluebrother	J-23: there are two problematic files: btsearch.h and bbfuncs.c
22:15:13	J-23	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4755?getfile=15890 - mww29.diff.bz2
22:15:19	bluebrother	you need to #if !defined(SIMULATOR) the #defines for read and write and make an else clause using rb->sim_read / write
22:15:29	bluebrother	you'll still get warnings, but it'll build afterwards.
22:17:14	J-23	When I'm trying to build it for normal player, it returns http://pastebin.com/d7bd921bd
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22:19:17	*	bluebrother goes trying e200 target
22:19:55	*	J-23 tries to compile it for iPod Color/Photo
22:21:36	J-23	(sim)
22:21:40	J-23	and it still returns http://pastebin.com/dc8a4a15
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22:25:04	bluebrother	it shouldn't complain about a member called "rb" −− that's the pointer
22:26:47	bluebrother	J-23: what does line 4 of bbfuncs.c read?
22:27:25	J-23	#define read rb->read
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22:27:39	bluebrother	hmm. Same here.
22:27:42	*	gevaerts also tried compiling, and apart from the playback_control() thing there were no errors
22:27:48	bluebrother	tried a "make clean"?
22:28:11	bluebrother	and are you sure your source is up to date?
22:28:12	J-23	I've removed all files and subdirectories from "build" directory
22:28:26	J-23	Yes, I've synced it with SVN
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22:34:19	bluebrother	damn network dropouts :(
22:35:01	bluebrother	J-23: any progress?
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22:36:23	Spartanq77	Is there much rockbox related you can install after you install rockbox?
22:36:30	Spartanq77	Not including themes
22:37:08	bluebrother	no.
22:37:40	domonoky	fonts, a few game files, and maybe voice/talk files... not much more..
22:38:13	bluebrother	wow ... adding -pedantic breaks building rbutil completely
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22:38:45	gevaerts	J-23: I uploaded a fixed version of that patch. If you apply that one instead of the one you have, it should at least compile
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22:39:13	Spartanq77	OK. Well, this is off topic but please help I just want a quick response. Do I need ipod linux (I just have rockbox and loader 2 installed) to install iBoy and iDoom?
22:39:35	bluebrother	yes, those are IPL software.
22:39:42	gevaerts	yes, but you don't need it to use rockboy and doom for rockbox
22:39:58	bluebrother	we have Rockboy and Rockdoom instead.
22:40:51	Spartanq77	Can I use the touchwheel for rockdoom?
22:41:04	*	gevaerts recommends the manual
22:41:26	bluebrother	I don't think so ... but I never wanted to play doom on the Ipod
22:41:32	Spartanq77	I checked the manual!
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22:43:39	Spartanq77	Again pardon it being offtopic but I just wanted a quicker response, would ipodlinux installation require a restore? So I'd have to install rockbox after ipodlinux?
22:43:59	scorche\|sh	Spartanq77: correct...offtopic...there is #ipodlinux
22:44:13	bluebrother	Spartanq77: see the IPL wiki. You can install IPL along with Rockbox without any problems.
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22:44:26	bluebrother	and we have #rockbox-community for OT chat ;-)
22:44:35	Spartanq77	Oh, i just saw the ipodlinux site and I thought it didn't mention an IRC channel
22:44:52	Spartanq77	#ipodlinux
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22:45:07	Spartanq77	gah copy-paste error, sorry
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22:46:09	Byron	Hey all, I am taking a Sansa c250 back to Best Buy as it has the v2 Firmware. Is there another player that is easier to find that will work with Rockbox, especially the speech part of it. I would like to buy it from Best Buy if I can.
22:46:32	Byron	since I'll be there anyway.
22:46:41	gevaerts	You won't find new rockbox compatible players easily
22:46:58	Byron	that's a shame
22:47:56	Spartanq77	Byron, if you like ipods and would have patience for ebay, ipod nanos (1gb, 1st gen) are going rather cheaply and work splendidly. I got mine for $10, though the guy thought it was broke but I fixed it.
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22:49:57	Byron	ouch
22:50:05	*	gevaerts thinks that buying "broken" players is a bit of a lottery
22:50:10	Byron	that hurt :-)
22:51:08	Spartanq77	Lol. Oh, and gevaerts, working ones are sold as well, I'm saying broken are really cheap, working ones don't go past $60. though I wish I could sell this one for $60.
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22:52:01	Byron	Well, see the biggest problem is my Girlfriend's Birthday is the 2nd May
22:52:27	Byron	so I'm trying to find a RockBox player that I can make talk
22:53:09	Spartanq77	Oh I see :D. I haven't used other media players then ipods, so that's a cool feature. Oh, and iron man comes out that day as well
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22:54:24	Byron	is there any way to tell on the box of the Sansa Players what firmware version they use?
22:54:59	Bagder	nope
22:55:02	krazykit	Byron, generally not. audible support is a possible, but not always accurate indicator.
22:55:18	gevaerts	The "official" recommended way is to look for "supports Audible" which should mean a v2, but there are exceptions
22:56:15	Byron	so, the Sansa player is really the only one out there right now that I might find one in a store? I know for SURE that the archos players are impossible to find.
22:56:36	advcomp2019	Byron, one thing i see with the e200v1s they came in black or white boxes, the e200v2s comes in a black/blue box.. that is not 100% i think
22:58:40	Byron	ah, okay
22:58:45	Byron	that's a good tip too
22:59:18	Byron	I take it the irivers are not generally easy to find?
22:59:35	gevaerts	There are currently some on ebay, supposedy new
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22:59:58	Spartanq77	I thought irivers were easy to find, I've seen them on best buy ads a lot of times.
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23:00:33	gevaerts	Yes, but which irivers ?
23:00:55	Spartanq77	no clue on that though
23:01:31	Spartanq77	Hey, how could I prevent songs appearing twice on rockbox? Is it from updating the database with the same song?
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23:02:15	bluebrother	Spartanq77: make sure you have dircache enabled −− IIRC this is needed to detect changed songs.
23:02:22	scorche\|sh	Spartanq77: check for hidden trash directories?
23:02:36	bluebrother	also, check if you have a possible copy of the ... too slow
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23:11:58	pixelma	bluebrother: dircache shouldn't be necessary anymore, though the update is said to be slow otherwise. Haven't tried though yet
23:12:27	bluebrother	ah, ok
23:13:20	Byron	I'm at www.bestbuy.com and I don't see any irivers
23:14:00	Byron	or any other compatible players
23:14:17	BigBambi_PC	There are many irvers, and only three (series) work with Rockbox
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23:14:35	Byron	Yep
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23:20:01	BigBambi_PC	The table is mental these days
23:21:21	BigBambi_PC	(which = lots of tqrgets qnd therefore is qgood thing!)
23:21:55	Bagder	qhat qare qou qsaying?
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23:22:37	pixelma	BigBqmbi again :P
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23:22:46	BigBambi_PC	Bagder: I spend a lot of my time switching between qwerty and azerty keyboards, and my brain can't always keep up :/
23:23:07	Bagder	I can fully understand that. azerty should be made illegal
23:23:13	*	preglow concurs
23:23:16	BigBambi_PC	I agree :)
23:23:35	preglow	the french always have to be special, don't they!
23:23:37	preglow	:P
23:23:40	*	gevaerts doesn't disagree
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23:25:51	BigBambi_PC	Normally it is azerty on a full keyboard at work and qwerty on laptop at home, and my brain seems to cope with that. However this evening I'm using a qwerty on a 'full' keyboard and my brain has rebelled
23:26:42	*	Bagder does the rare "oh-the-new-zvm-port-in-the-table-is-a-yellow-nine" dance
23:26:55	BigBambi_PC	That can't come up much :)
23:26:58	*	gevaerts records this dance for posterity
23:27:48	BigBambi_PC	If we all record it from different angles the Rockbox planetary memory will have a full record
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23:34:17	Llorean	gevaerts: I thought you had said that there was something in the way you of being able to present the MicroSD slot to windows.
23:34:41	Llorean	Or maybe I misunderstood and the only problem was that you can't present it to windows in the same way as it appears within Rockbox?
23:35:02	gevaerts	Llorean: that's a long time ago
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23:35:48	Llorean	Ah. I try to keep up to date but I must've missed it changing.
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23:44:23	midgey	shouldn't DEBUGF output be coming up in the terminal when I run the sim?
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