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#rockbox log for 2008-04-26

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00:05:06LeperkawnDoes anyone have personal experience with the sound quality differences between the ipod's 3.5mm jack and it's line-out port?
00:05:58Leperkawnrephrase: If you do have that experience, is it worth getting an ipod line-out > 3.5 female adapter?
00:08:04scorche|shLeperkawn: well, you are going to need an external amp if you are going to use the line out...
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00:09:37LeperkawnIs it required?
00:10:26Hillshumwell if you want to be able to hear the music at any kind of decent volume
00:10:45LeperkawnWhat exactly causes it to get so power hungry?
00:11:30scorche|shLeperkawn: might want to expand on those pronouns..
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00:12:25LeperkawnI don't fully understand impedance and when amping is needed. What causes this setup to require an amp?
00:12:41LloreanThe fact that the volume is locked at line level, for one.
00:13:26scorche|shthis isnt quite a rockbox topic, but to make this bried, you need an amp so you can adjust the volume...the entire point of a line out is to bypass the internal amp for a cleaner signal (usually)
00:14:11Leperkawnscorche: Sorry, I didn't want to ask about this in -community
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00:53:13webguest68no one here huh
00:53:26webguest68ok well then byebye
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00:54:23DerPapst_heh too late :-P
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01:03:30ednosWhat is the likelihood of rockbox supporting Zune (ever)?
01:04:13gevaertspretty small I guess, but of course you never know
01:04:36Lloreanednos: Nobody's working on it, so odds are very, very, very slim.
01:04:39LeperkawnYou might want to check out (
01:05:09linuxstbednos: Rockbox is running (in a very basic way, not fully working yet) on the Gigabeat S, which is similar hardware to the Zune. The problem with the Zune is that no-one has cracked the firmware encryption/protection, so we can't run third-party code on it.
01:05:20ednoslinuxstb, ah thanks
01:05:37ednosSo if I learn cryptography and embedded devices tonight... I could solve the problem?
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01:06:38gevaertsIf you're a fast learner, and if you're lucky...
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01:08:14ednosWell, I'll get right on that. Thanks.
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01:52:50Music^Houndhow do you display album art ?
01:54:35stripwaxMusic^Hound - use a wps that supports it, and make sure the albumart follows the guidelines that are documented on the website. check the wiki documentation.
01:55:40Music^Houndthanx stripwax
01:55:52Music^Houndjust found rockbox yesterday and loing it
01:56:34Music^Houndanything is better then the boring ipod look
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01:57:44stripwaxof course, rockbox is more than just how it looks
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02:04:10Music^Houndrockbox is like linux... its all bout choice
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02:29:56Peregrinahi there, i keep geting io errors, is this common?
02:30:06Peregrina(gigabeat f40)
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03:10:05nickwebcoukokhow on earth do you restart the ipod after the initial db scan? I cant find anything in the manual, and the select and menu combo dosent seem to workl :(
03:10:37DerPapstlong press play/pause to reboot the ipod in rockbox
03:11:21nickwebcoukokahh! cool! thanks! :D
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03:37:13nickwebcoukokwhat does everyone reccomend to manage thier rockbox under linux?
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03:49:42Hillshumwhats the best way to learn C?
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03:54:23zeHillshum: wikibooks maybe, read source code, write some
03:54:41zeHillshum: i started by fixing compilation issues
03:55:23Hillshumhmm... i started reading C++ for Dummies don't remember much tho
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03:58:17Hillshumhow close is C++ to C?
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04:04:41zeits basically C with some extensions and OOP
04:05:04zebut the similarity in actual code can be anywhere from marginal to profound
04:05:20zeobject-oriented programming... the main point of C++
04:10:22Hillshumall the links at are too white to read
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04:32:09nickwebcoukokif an ipod 5.5 completley freezes, and long play does nothing (even flicking the hold button does nothing to the screen) - how to i reset it?
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04:37:50aliasknickwebcoukok: Hold menu and select for ~15 seconds
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05:29:00TaylorKillianHey guys
05:31:43Hillshumits been idle lattely
05:33:44TaylorKillianI see
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05:45:11TheBasharSometime over the last month of periodically updating my sansa c200, it lost hw detection of the fm radio. I don't remember seeing commits related to the radio. Any idea when the change might have happened?
05:47:43TheBasharOops, meant to post the question on the dev channel.
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06:01:34TheWardenHi. I have an iPod 80g (new) which is I believe a 5.5 generation as it was bought just about a month before the iPod Classic came out. Is it possible to use RockBox?
06:02:20TheWardenand can I do rockbox without it affecting what I have on it now?
06:02:34TheWardenno way... really... oh hot damn
06:03:22TheWardenso I use the iPod Video on you are say? Anything I need to know ?
06:03:54Hillshumthe hold swich changes the firmware from apple trash to RB
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06:04:39Hillshumthis is the manual
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06:06:50TheWardenokay ty, I suppose I should in theory make a backup of my iPod first right?
06:07:44Hillshumyeah i guess
06:07:53TheWardenyou guess lol ?
06:08:12TheWardenI just have like major amount of stuff on there that's all
06:08:17Hillshumipods are hard to brick tho, id just make sure i have my tunes etc.
06:09:35Hillshummake sure you have the 80gb RB
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06:20:31TheWardenis there plans to support iPod Classic 80g?
06:21:16Hillshumno plans are ever made
06:22:25Hillshumapple encrypted the firmware and otherwise protected it from 3rd party firmware
06:25:20TheWardenoh that is sick
06:25:47Hillshumoranges are better
06:25:49TheWardengeez Apple needs to quit being so anal about these things argh
06:26:05*TheWarden is happy then he has a 5.5 generation then :)
06:26:33*Hillshum is not happy he has an e200 v2 instead of v1
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06:56:25chrfmemy sandisk e200 showed up as f and g drives in my computer. f worked so i tried installing rockbox, but it said to change my configuration. can someone help me install please?
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06:59:43TheWardendoes one suggest I do manual install or automatic ?
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07:00:44Jessica246Hiya folks. anyone know anything about an Archos Gmini 120
07:00:59Jessica246specs and such? opinions?
07:01:24scorcheTheWarden: try automatic first
07:02:16TheWardenscorche: okay, mm let me re-read then I'm confused how to do that
07:03:07scorcheJessica246: well, the Gmini port doesnt work is way out of date
07:03:28TheWardenmmmm I need to use the rbuilt 1.05 for automatic install mmm
07:04:10J-23I'm trying to build Rockbox with patch for Sansa c240 simulator, but make returns
07:04:12Jessica246hmmm... I've got a jukebox recorder 20. someone wants to trade me a gmini 120 for it, and i cant even find specs on the 120.
07:04:27J-23I've downloaded newest Rockbox sources from SVN.
07:04:30scorcheJessica246: well, this isnt quite the place for that
07:04:54Jessica246yeah, i know... but i figured that if anyone knows the kit, you all would.
07:05:15Jessica246you folks know -everything-!
07:08:02TheWardenmm do I have to uncompress or have the file with the rbuilt ?
07:08:26scorcheTheWarden: you should be able to do it all through rbutil
07:08:58TheWardenscorche: Okay,, well damn I wish my iPod was already charged so I could go do this.. now
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07:19:07TheWardenum I have errors on TTS & Encoder do I have to have those apps downloaded ?
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07:39:26J-23How can I fix ?
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08:19:05BgerJ-23 what are you trying to do ?
08:19:20Bgerapplying a patch or /
08:19:42J-23I'm trying to compile Rockbox with MediaWiki Viewer patch
08:21:41Bgerare you using a current svn tree?
08:22:13Bgeroh, ok, let me see
08:22:34J-23Yes, I am.
08:28:14amiconnIt's a fundamental bug in that plugin code. It won't compile for sims.
08:28:41J-23But I've tried to compile it for real player and it returned a lot of errors.
08:29:50amiconnThe plugin redefines read() - but that is already redefined for sims as sim_read()
08:30:32J-23hmm, now it builded without errors
08:30:52J-23(for real player, Normal build, target - Sansa c240)
08:30:55amiconnHmm, that's actually enclosed into #ifndef SIMULATOR
08:32:25amiconnStill that code looks rather dirty to me
08:34:25Bgeramiconn what specifically looks dirty to you?
08:35:12Bger(not that i've had a look at the code...)
08:39:44amiconn(1) It includes a .c file from another .c file, and both contain actual code. (2) It redefines read() and write() for targets, but not for sims. That *probably* means that on sims the plugin accesses the file system directly, circumventing the plugin api
08:40:48Bgerthese 2 looks like easily correctable...
08:40:56*J-23 tries to read English Wikibooks from his player
08:42:06J-23It works :)
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12:43:50J-23How can I undo patch?
12:44:05preglowpatch -R
12:44:48keenoxcan somebody help me with tcctool?
12:45:51ali_as_Whats the problem keenox?
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13:07:40keenoxi want to add x20 to the list
13:08:03keenoxand i'd like to know what is the third hex number
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13:12:43ali_as_Memory fading, is that the sdram config register setting?
13:12:57ali_as_If so do you know the x20 sdram layout?
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13:17:23ali_as_Ok, checked and it is. You need to know how much sdram is in the player and how wide the bus is.
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13:18:39ali_as_If these values and the cpu match an existing player, you can use those values.
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13:19:04keenoxhmm.... i got my hand on some telechips firmware writer and some technical pdf's
13:19:14ali_as_If not you need to plug them into the telechips software to find out the value.
13:19:54keenoxthe problem is that i flashed my x20
13:20:01keenoxwith logik dax firmware
13:20:02ali_as_What details do you have on the x20 player?
13:20:09keenoxand it's bricked now
13:22:17ali_as_If tcctool applies then you have a good chance of unbricking.
13:22:40ali_as_You may need 2 versions of your old firmware.
13:22:51ali_as_One to boot and one to burn.
13:23:32keenoxi have the original firmware
13:23:53keenoxcould we please talk on prv?
13:24:05keenoxi pasted the details there
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13:24:37ali_as_That will have failed becuase you arn't registered on the network.
13:25:01stripwaxIf you do have a private convesation and any interesting finds come up in your conversation, please post them here too, as this channel is logged and searchable
13:25:03keenoxi want to add iriver x20 to the list because tcctool doesn't support it
13:25:54ali_as_I'll log in, one mo.
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13:26:06keenoxand how can i register? i'm registered on the forums
13:26:34keenox<keenox> main Chip make: TeleChip model: TCC8200 other#: OOXX-YNR-PR NO57BKM 0652 uses: the brains i guess. Other Chip make: Coremagic 0076 modle: CMS4A32LAH-75EE other#: 0647A KOREA uses: from what i can gather from its position to the processor and other googled info its 128 megs of quick access memory Memory Chip make: Samsung 652 modle: K9HBG08U1M other#: PCB0 FEK4941A uses: the ma
13:29:13keenoxali_as can you see what i'm writing on prv?
13:29:29ali_asNo, did you get my 'Hi'?
13:29:54keenoxyes i did
13:30:07ali_asDid you try replying?
13:30:24keenoxwhen i logged in i used the username and p/w from the forums
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13:30:39keenoxyes i wrote three lines
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13:30:56ali_asHmm, that ought to have worked, but didn't.
13:31:49keenoxso... i have a bricked x20 with logik dax firmware. i managed to put it in usb mode
13:32:06ali_asOk, and you installed the tcctool driver?
13:32:24keenoxand installed the tcctool driver
13:32:40ali_asHave you tried the settings for the other players?
13:32:48stripwaxjust fyi, if you can put it into usb mode it's not bricked.. bricked really means ' you can do nothing with it, ever again '
13:33:08ali_asBricked generally means hosed the flash.
13:33:12keenoxi tried the logik dax and the cowon d2 but sais device not found or something like that
13:33:23stripwax'/without invasive surgery'
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13:34:04keenoxfor me it's bricked right now... it looks dead :(( and i'm really not into low-level programming
13:35:21ali_asD2 has a different core chip. What value are you using for the first?
13:35:22keenoxthe good thing is that windows sees it in usb mode... but i can't write any firmware with fwdn or tcctool
13:35:56ali_asusb mode, means you did the debug reset?
13:36:01stripwaxso it's not bricked, just need to find a way to recover it. iriver apparently has a recovery program
13:36:46keenoxthe x20 uses tcc8200 vid=140e pid=b051
13:37:12ali_asOr usb mode meaning upload files?
13:37:24stripwaxwould this help?
13:37:41keenoxi didn't find any button combination
13:37:43stripwaxignore me if you've already tried that
13:38:11keenoxbut it has 6 pins.... 2 "USB" 2 "NAND" 2"NAND/USB"
13:38:31keenoxcurrently i have desoldered the nand pins
13:38:45ali_asIn a word, huh?
13:38:57keenoxand windows recognizes it with the tcc firmware download driver
13:39:37keenoxlet me show you a pic with the pins
13:40:27keenoxthey are in the red marker
13:41:17ali_asOk, they are the bootstrap settings for the cpu.
13:41:36ali_asOr so I assume.
13:41:59stripwaxHang on, I thought you were just trying to unbrick it, but you're desoldering pins on the board?
13:42:02ali_asHave you tried the software stripwax has posted?
13:42:06keenoxstripwax.. i have the fw download tool from iriver... it just copies the firmware on the mp3 player.... right now it doesn't see my player connected
13:42:19stripwaxi thought you said windows showed the player as connected
13:42:33ali_asThe player has bootstrap options on the board.
13:42:51keenoxnot in the normal way... i thing it's the "manufacturing usb mode"
13:43:35keenoxali-as... you can see the NAND pins soldered there
13:43:49keenoxnow they are desoldered
13:44:21keenoxi noticed that this way windows sees the device, but not in the normal way, as a drive
13:44:24ali_asI can, youve checked these with the chip datasheet I assume>
13:44:35ali_asYes, usb debug mode.
13:45:07keenoxi didn't really find a chip datasheet
13:46:11keenoxi found some schematics of the demo board... that i found with the telechips firmware app on the forums
13:46:49keenoxi thing they were obtained somewhat illegally from the telechips site or by an auth person
13:47:51ali_asI'm just looking at those now.
13:48:15ali_asNot sure there was an 8200 datasheet in that post now I come to look at what I downloaded.
13:48:20keenoxyou found them?
13:48:50keenoxif something is missing i can give it to you... i downloaded them all
13:49:54ali_asTCC8200A specification r0.pdf
13:50:18ali_asShould be part of the list, it's in the pile I downloaded.
13:50:20keenoxthere is more software than hardware documentation in those files
13:50:40ali_asAnd it's an ARM9, niiice.
13:51:13keenoxyes... it's arm946es
13:52:00ali_asDoes the telechips flashing utility support the support/recognise the 8200?
13:52:28ali_as(note, linuxstb suggests not actually trying to flash with it).
13:53:16ali_asBut if it will spit out sdram config numbers on being given sdram size/bus size that is really helpful.
13:53:42ali_as(This is how I derived the numbers for the K3).
13:54:05keenoxhmm... i'll give you some screenshots with the telechips software and my player
13:54:40keenoxlet me switch to win xp 32bit as the driver doesn't work on x64
13:55:01keenoxbrb 5 min
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13:58:35ali_asNow in stereo.
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13:59:52keenox2hmm ... weird... seems that now it recognizes it
14:00:11ali_astcctool or the flashing utility?
14:01:49keenox2the flashing utility... this means that the tcctool really wrote something
14:02:02ali_astcctool doesn't write anything.
14:02:17keenox2hmm? then what does it do?
14:02:23ali_asBut you do need the drivers installed for either to work.
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14:02:47ali_astcctool allows you to boot a firmware to ram, you can then use this for flashing the player.
14:03:06keenox2the screenshoot
14:03:23keenox2last night it showed failed...
14:03:40keenox2and the target fields were empty
14:04:23ali_asPrior to installing the tcctool driver?
14:04:46ali_asIf you click settings you might see the sdram config numbers.
14:04:57ali_asI don't think I used this version of the software.
14:05:09ali_asTry checking the scrollback too.
14:05:48ali_asUsing tcctool is safer as your old firmware has a better understanding of flashing your board than the telechips software does.
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14:06:23keenox2hmm.. i now used it and flashed with the original fw
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14:06:31keenox2it said all ok
14:06:48ali_asIs this the iriver version, or one off the forums?
14:06:50keenox2should i solder the nand pins back and see if it works?
14:06:55ali_asYou may as well.
14:07:10keenox2no... i used the iriver version
14:07:24ali_asAhh, then this has a much better chance.
14:07:47ali_asDid you need to change the sdram setting to 128M?
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14:08:25ali_asWe'll be slightly dissapointed if you've fixed it this easily, as tcctool won't get another config line ;)
14:09:30keenox2if i succeed i'll do my best ... anyways.. i started doing this because i wanted to start porting rockbox to x20
14:09:44keenox2so.. should i solder the nand pins back?
14:09:47ali_asThen you will get to know tcctool very well.
14:10:03ali_aslinuxstb wrote it so people could develop without writing to the flash.
14:10:24ali_asIf you think it worked, go for it.
14:10:39keenox2is the pid in the screen shot the last of the "magic numbers"
14:11:09ali_asNo, it's the first.
14:11:31ali_asIdentifying the TCC chip itself.
14:12:01ali_asThe last is the sdram config and depends on the player, how much ram it has and how it is connected.
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14:13:08keenox2hmmm.. i knew the pid of the tcc chip... i didn't knew what the last number was
14:13:14keenox2*didn't know
14:13:38keenox2darn it... it doesn't work
14:13:48keenox2dead as a brick :)
14:14:00ali_asDid you change the sdram size prior to flashing?
14:14:20ali_asThe flash writer ought to have come with specific instructions.
14:14:50ali_asSince the debug usb is essentially one way the flash writer may have no idea if the flash burn has worked or not.
14:15:15keenox2back in 15 min
14:15:23keenox2 urgent job
14:15:24Milescan i dual boot my ipod?
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14:15:37Mileswithe the original os
14:15:38keenox2ali_as will you still be here?
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14:15:59gevaertsMiles: yes. The manual has details
14:16:01aliaskMiles: Yes, you can. You should read the manual for more details
14:16:11ali_asI'll be here.
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14:47:55keenox2i'm back
14:48:31keenox2ali_as... how can i find out what's my player's sdram config?
14:48:56ali_asI've been trying ti use fwdm v3, and failing.
14:49:20keenox2on what player?
14:49:37keenox2a... samsung?
14:49:40ali_asJust to see if it will spit out the numbers you need.
14:49:57ali_asI think there are driver problems.
14:50:04keenox2did you put it in usb recovery mode?
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14:50:25keenox2you may need to restart your system
14:50:40ali_asMaybe, but it may be a problem with old drivers.
14:50:47keenox2i think that may be another cause of the program not working
14:50:58keenox2what os are you using?
14:51:11keenox232 bit?
14:51:32ali_asYes, tcctool has worked fine on this before, so I know that side of it is ok.
14:52:16ali_asIf all else fails, one way to get the sdram config is always to look the address in the datasheet and then dissasemble the firmware.
14:52:25keenox2oh... you need to uninstall the tcctool driver and install the one they provided
14:52:28ali_asShould be pretty early on in the bootloader.
14:52:52ali_asNods, I tried that but XP reloaded the old one.
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14:53:51ali_asIf you plan to port rockbox you may need to do some code dissasembly anyway.
14:54:11ali_asI'm not familier with any x20 rockbox port attempts.
14:54:32ali_asOr with rockbox generally as it happens.
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14:55:18keenox2i think that is because there haven't been any serious ones... and i don't have the needed knowledge yet
14:55:30keenox2maybe when i'll get to college
14:56:43ali_asI suspect some time with tcctool, a firmware and IDA would work wonders. You know any ARM assembler?
14:57:39keenox2no... i've looked for one myself... i've seen that gcc can compile for arm targets
14:58:01keenox2in the telechips docs i've seen codewarrior or something like that
14:58:04ali_asI get the impression digging out the taret specific code is the hardest first step. If you can locate information on the display used in your device, thats very helpful. I drew blanks with the K3 so my plans to port rockbox are on hold.
14:58:44ali_asI mean't do you know any ARM assembly language. :)
14:58:47keenox2hmm.. i'm now trying to unbrick mine... so there can be any hope
14:58:49gevaertskeenox2: the tools aren't the problem, gcc will work just fine.
14:59:53keenox2no ... i don't know any asm.. not even x86.. only c++, visual basic and pascal
15:00:49ali_asThat may be a problem then, I've programmed assembler for a long time and it's C I have a big problem with.
15:01:07ali_asDifferent ways of thinking.
15:01:31*gevaerts tries to imaging ali_as reading visual basic :)
15:01:36ali_asMoving on to your bricked x20 problem, where can I download a firmware and do you know if the bootloader is seperate?
15:02:00ali_asI hate VB a great deal, but not as much as prolog.
15:02:14ali_asAcorn BASIC I like.
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15:02:23keenox2no... the fw comes in one piece
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15:02:51ali_asIf there is a bootloader in the box they may never give out a copy, just the fw.
15:03:07keenox2i can give you the latest... iriver drew this one back...don't know why .. it worked fine
15:03:26ali_asSure, send then please and I'll have a quick look.
15:03:36ali_asNo guarentees I'll make head or tail of it.
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15:04:00keenox2how may i send it to you?
15:04:18ali_asEmail ok? I'll pm an address.
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15:06:55keenoxali_as... could you please repeat what you said after my question? i clicked back in my browser by mistake
15:07:14ali_asI did wonder :)
15:07:37keenoxhow may i send the files to you?
15:08:13ali_asYou should have an email address by PM.
15:09:25ali_asOr another method would be fine. IRC by browser is not exactly ideal.
15:09:57ali_asThe SDRAM config register is at 0xF0000000.
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15:10:13BigBambikeenox: The forum logins are completely different to IRC
15:10:32BigBambiIf you want to register your nick on IRC you do it with (in this case) freenode
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15:13:00Amieni'v just updated rockbox (ipod video 5g) .. but rockbox hangs on : rockbox loaded .. any ideas? i both used copy/past as well as the installation tool
15:15:20Amiendo i need to update the bootloader too?
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15:16:10gevaertsAmien: how old was the previous installation ?
15:17:56gevaertsThen you will need a new bootloader, yes
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15:18:49Amienk ... works .. thanks
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15:20:38keenoxbigbambi ... can you please be more precise? is freenode an irc command or an user?
15:20:42ali_askeenox, ok, have the firmware, looking.
15:20:51gevaertskeenox: freenode is the irc network
15:21:03BigBambikeenox: freenode is the network you are connected to
15:21:38keenoxoh ... i forgot to ask... the fw has a header... a starting arm instruction, version, 2 crcs and then the fw itself
15:21:38ali_asTry private messaging "nickserv REGISTER putapasshere"
15:22:05ali_asThats the standard telechips header.
15:22:36ali_asThere is also the option to jump to a more complex checksum routine.
15:22:48keenoxwhen i use fwdn should i use the whole file or only the fw itself?
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15:23:15ali_asI can't answer that, linuxstb recommended not using fwdn.
15:23:29keenoxare you talking now with him?
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15:24:22ali_asI visited here trying to work out a method to rescue bricked K3's and those that samsung's new firmwares had rendered ununpgradable.
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15:24:33keenoxyou said that tcctool doesn't write anything... but my firmware that is stored in the nand is f&*ked and i need to rewrite it
15:24:34ali_asA month or two ago.
15:25:10ali_asRight, the method for the K3 after tcctool was made to work with the K3 was...
15:25:13keenoxso i need to use fwdn, don't i?
15:25:42keenoxi'm listening (watching)
15:26:06ali_asBoot the K3 using a very old firmware.
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15:26:39ali_asCopy the firmware files you want to update too to the player.
15:26:53ali_asAnd do the update again booting from the very old firmware.
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15:27:33ali_asIt doesn't know its booting from ram and not flash, so it updates the firmware nomatter what it's previous state was.
15:27:46ali_asEverything else behaves normally.
15:28:33keenoxoh... that would be a way
15:28:49keenoxbut ... i don't know the x20's sdram config
15:28:50ali_asThere is a minor trick, in that to flash you need to pull the usb cable very quickly just after tcctool boots it.
15:29:00keenoxand i can't compile tcctool
15:29:01ali_asHopefully the firmware will tell us that.
15:29:24ali_asI didn't either, I patched tcctool with a hex editor.
15:29:39ali_asIt was just easier at the time.
15:29:46keenoxhmm... i've tried to find that magic number in the logik dax' fw, but no luck
15:31:41ali_asI didn't have to do it this way, as I had a schematic for the K3.
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15:32:23ali_as LDR PC, =0x20000060
15:32:42ali_asFirst bit of relavent data, the ram is at 0x20000000
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15:33:25keenoxdo you have an arm disassembler?
15:34:51keenoxyou said earlier something about pming nickserv.. i can't find it
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15:35:56BigBambikeenox: google for freenode and read their help pages
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15:39:45ali_asI think using a web client may be too taxing for all concerned.
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15:40:41keenoxsorry for being late... i installed good ol' mirc
15:41:14BigBambi<BigBambi> keenox: google for freenode and read their help pages
15:41:30BigBambiIn response to your previous question
15:41:47ali_asin mirc type,
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15:42:03ali_as/msg nickserv REGISTER pickapass
15:42:13ali_asWhere pickapass needs to be the password.
15:42:17*DerPapstr__ hates mirc for being comercial
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15:42:41ali_asI don't think an email address is required, but you can ad one optionally.
15:43:00DerPapstlots of internet problems latetly :-/
15:43:02keenoxisn't nickserv a nick?
15:43:14DerPapstthat's why it is almost imposible to irc.
15:43:16gevaertskeenox: it is, but it's not on this channel
15:43:17ali_asIt's a nick sat on by services.
15:43:55keenoxyes... i succeeded
15:44:07gevaertskeenox: now everytime you connect you type /msg nickserv identify <your password>
15:44:20keenoxok... thanks very mush
15:44:27DerPapst /ns identify password for the short version :-P
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15:44:55Horschtthat would only work if /ns is aliased in your IRC client
15:44:58gevaertskeenox: then you will be able to send and receive pm's from everyone, or reclaim your nick if someone has stolen it. /msg nickserv help for details
15:45:46keenoxali_as... do you have an arm disassembler?
15:45:53DerPapstHorscht: i'm pretty sure it is in mirc :-P
15:46:08ali_asI'm using IDA.
15:46:21keenoxworks for arm?
15:46:23DrakIs there any way I can enable shuffling music, without my playlist being shuffled out of order? I've got 200 songs, finding any specific one when they're random is a pain.
15:46:41ali_asWorks for damn neer everything, but obscenely expensive.
15:46:54DerPapstDrak: save it as a new playlist and suffle this
15:47:01stripwaxkeenox - isn't there a gnu dissassembler?
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15:47:26Horschtor use tag cache, Drak
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15:47:46keenoxstripwax, i don't know
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15:48:08gevaertskeenox: there is an arm disassembler in the rockbox sources
15:48:43keenoxi've seen that but i have dev-c++ and i can't (don't know how to compile it)
15:48:48keenoxi get many errors
15:48:53DrakHm. Never heard of tag cache.
15:49:31stripwaxkeenox - try using one of the supported dev environments (vmware image or cygwin)
15:49:35gevaertsDrak: it's know as the "database" these days. Horscht is apparently a bit old-fashionned
15:49:39keenoxi'll try
15:49:40domonokyDrak, tagcache is the internal name for rockboxs database
15:50:29Horschti always thought tag cache is the "common" name of it
15:50:50Horschtas I am definately not old fashioned, gevaerts. I started using rockbox in january :p
15:50:53DrakYeah, I've considered it, but the database seems like it'll only play ALL my music or none of it. I'd like to use playlists, so I could separate my music into things like techno or rock and stuff.
15:51:23Horschtthere's the "genre" view in the database
15:51:31domonokyHorscht: it was in the beginning, but it was renamed to "database" at least in the GUI and docs, (in code its still tagchache)
15:51:42Horschtyou could simply enuqueue all techno song
15:52:26HorschtI myself have all my music enqueued shuffled, and when I want to listen to a specific song, I go to the database and add it as next song
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16:33:30Jessica841heya folks, i was on last night and someone told me their was a problem with the port to an archos gmini. do any of you have the link re the problem? Is it gonna be fixed?
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16:34:45BigBambiThere is no rockbox port to the gmini
16:35:00BigBambiI believe there is another project that branched off old Rockbox code
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16:35:49Jessica841err... umm... yeah. last night I was given a link on this channel that talked about it. unfortunately, I lost the link. :(
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16:36:11krazykitJessica841, lucky for you, the channel is logged, so you could go back and find it :)
16:36:23BigBambiArchOpen does gmini stuff I believe
16:36:25Jessica841oh. cool
16:36:36Jessica841where is the log? has all the logs
16:37:39Jessica841kat, is there a reason why no port is being worked on for the gmini?
16:38:03BigBambiBecause no interested owners are doing it
16:38:17Jessica841that makes sense
16:38:23BigBambiPorts are done by owners, there is no rockbox 'team' that works on a port
16:39:06BigBambiBut as I say, I believe ArchOpen does something for the gmini - if you wanted to port Rockbox to them, that would seem a good place to start for infor on hardware, drivers etc
16:39:43Jessica841I own a jukebox recorder 20 and someone wants to trade me a gmini for it. I've got RB on the jukebox and i like it a hella more than the archos code which is crap.
16:40:10BigBambiUnderstandable :)
16:40:11gevaertsThen I would suggest not to trade
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16:41:13Jessica841the thing is, I take lots of photos as well. I guess the gmini can store my images while I'm on vacation. this would keep me from having to lug my laptop everywhere.
16:41:35*BigBambi points out there are different models of gmini
16:41:49BigBambiThat are very different hardware wise
16:42:36Music^Houndlooking for a good codec to use with a ipod nano
16:43:20Music^Houndfor now its between ogg and aac
16:43:33gevaertsMusic^Hound: may be helpful
16:43:43Music^Houndthanx gevaerts
16:45:25Music^Houndmpc is still used ??
16:45:55markunpeople can use what they want, I think 'moos' uses mpc.
16:46:32Music^Houndhmmm wonder if the ps3 will ever support mpc ?
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16:47:01BigBambiMusic^Hound: That is off topic for here
16:47:30Music^Houndsorry BigBambi
16:47:38BigBambiNo problems :)
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16:51:40Music^Houndhmmm using dbpoweramp and nero m4a encoder rockbox won't play the file
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16:56:14Tuplanollablah, i hate that db update that happens every time i boot my sansa
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16:59:16Music^Houndhmmmm won't work either if I change it to a mp4 format
17:00:05Music^Houndmaybe just still with mpc or ogg
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17:00:13Music^Houndstill= stick
17:00:17gevaertsTuplanolla: there are some hints on the forums on how to avoid or minimize this
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17:02:15Music^Houndcourse could use wma
17:02:28Music^Houndman too many formats of choice lol
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17:04:50gevaertsMusic^Hound: does it actually matter ?
17:05:42Music^Houndnaww as long as rockbox plays it I suppose not
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17:17:08Tuplanollaew, windows says that can't unplug the device, how to eject it the right way? (i'm using finnish xp, dunno what it is in english :>)
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17:31:31HorschtTuplanolla, retry
17:32:30HorschtWindows plain out refuses to "remove a device" if it's currently in use by a program.
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17:35:45TuplanollaHorscht: tried it about ten times
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18:02:42SilkTribehey guys....
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18:03:24SilkTribecan anybody help me out with something?
18:03:33krazykitonly if you ask
18:03:45SilkTribewell...i guess i could do that....
18:04:04SilkTribeso...i just installed rockbox on my sansa e280
18:04:08SilkTribeand it works just fine...
18:04:32SilkTribeso i moved some directories over there and start the player and the music is all there...
18:04:45SilkTribeits no more archived as directories....
18:04:49SilkTribeand it sucks
18:04:59BigBambiSilkTribe: Could you not use the enter key for punctuation?
18:04:59SilkTribecause now it's all mixed up...
18:05:17SilkTribesorry, i dont understand
18:05:32BigBambiTry to write full sentences on a line
18:05:43SilkTribeoh, yes sure.
18:05:52BigBambiAnyway, how are you copying the music?
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18:06:27BigBambiAnd how are you accessing it through Rockbox?
18:06:33SilkTribewell, i just moved the directories i created into the root directory
18:06:41BigBambicopy and paste?
18:06:56SilkTribeyes, i think so
18:07:07SilkTribei might have dragged and dropped them too
18:07:23BigBambiAnd how are you accessing the music in Rockbox?
18:07:49SilkTribeim not sure what you mean...
18:08:03BigBambiWhat are you doing in Rockbox?
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18:08:41SilkTribewell what im trying is to open a directory i moved there and play all its files in random, but the directory name dont exist anymore...
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18:08:58BigBambiAnd how are you trying to get to that directory?
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18:09:07SilkTribelike i have one directory called jukebox because its like a few unsorted mps
18:09:29SilkTribei tried both Database and File
18:09:35BigBambiFile is the one you want
18:09:49BigBambiWhat operating system are you using?
18:09:51SilkTribebt they're not there...
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18:10:05SilkTribeWin XP Pro SP2
18:10:26BigBambiSo if your DAP was F:\ you copied the directory so you had f:\jukebox
18:10:39BigBambiand in F:\jukebox\song.mp3 for example
18:10:47SilkTribeguess so
18:10:53BigBambiHave you or not?
18:11:09BigBambiIt kind of matters where they are when we are trying to find them...
18:11:18SilkTribeI changed a few times moving the stuff right into the rootdirectory of rockbox
18:11:33SilkTribebut i believe i moved thm there first
18:11:40BigBambiCould you check?
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18:12:04SilkTribesure, was about to...sorry if i keep asking but im german and some things sound odd at first
18:12:55BigBambino problem
18:13:31SilkTribeshould i be in MTP or MSC Mode?
18:13:52SilkTribeokay, hang on
18:16:07SilkTribethey're not there at all cause i transferred them in MTP Mode i guess?
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18:16:41BigBambiMTP doesn't preserve directory structure when you copy them over
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18:17:27SilkTribewow...and i was gettin really freaked about it cause i hate it when there's no directory
18:18:02BigBambiIf you want to just use good old directories (as I do - personally I dislike MTP) then you need to use UMS/MSC mode, nt MTP
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18:18:51SilkTribei used to have rockbox on my oldschool archos jukebox rec and there was no such thing as MTP as far as i remember and i loooved the directory thing....
18:19:02BigBambiNo, that's right
18:19:36SilkTribethanks man...
18:19:43SilkTribeyou really made my day!
18:19:53BigBambiRockbox USB mode is being worked on for the targets with no hardware USB (later iPods, H10, Sansas) after which you won't have to use the Original Firmware for transferring, and Rockbox will do MSC/UMS natively
18:19:59BigBambiSilkTribe: No problems :)
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18:21:09SilkTribethis MTP thing is kinda redundant isnt it? i mean about 30% of my mps aren't even id3 tagged and i couldnt even tell which song it was besides listening to it...
18:21:58BigBambiWell some people like MTP for the synching software aspects and other stuff
18:22:26SilkTribewhy doesnt it support directory structure?
18:22:44SilkTribeis it technically impossible?
18:23:02BigBambiI don't know much about it to be honest
18:23:20SilkTribeyeah...there's no need to eventually...;)
18:23:36advcomp2019SilkTribe, do not know myself too but i hate mtp mode too
18:24:39SilkTribei didnt even know that it disenables directory structure and all...
18:25:04SilkTribei just thought that it wouldnt be possible to keep directories anymore and i was really sick about it...
18:25:26BigBambigo Rockbox!
18:25:47SilkTribelike spending 4 hours of browsing mp3s to create directories and all and never finding them after
18:26:07SilkTribegod bless rb and irc support....=)
18:26:21SilkTribesounds like amrine
18:26:47BigBambiaha, I undertand
18:26:53SilkTribeno offense...
18:26:58BigBambinone taken
18:27:07SilkTribeexcellent soldier...;)
18:27:13BigBambi(I agree) but we are getting off topic here
18:28:47SilkTribeyeah...well you don't have to keep carpeting me...;) Ill just be happy and off I go...thanks again! Have a nice wekend....
18:29:09BigBambiyou too
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18:38:16soapgevaerts, Is it intentional that my iPod's hard drive spins the entire time it is in Rockbox USB mode?
18:38:59gevaertssoap: does it ? That would explain the battery discharging... No, it's not intentional
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18:39:40soapit does as of Monday.
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18:39:48soapI'll build anew and test again.
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18:41:33soapI also experienced what _appeared_ to be resets on my 5th gen when emptying the trash. I'm not sure yet how to properly test for resets, but will read up and get back to you on that.
18:42:04gevaertsOne way is to enable logf for usb-drv-arc.c
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19:07:09Music^Houndhmmm I can get itunes encoded m4a's to work in rockbox but not nero encoded
19:07:45DerPapstmaybe nero does evil things to then such as drm stuff
19:09:41bertrikapparently there are some known issues with m4a files, see for example FS #8664
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19:10:34futuristis there a workable solution for being able to use flac and on a smartphone of some sort?
19:11:14gevaertsfuturist: I'm afraid that "on a smartphone" makes this off-topic for #rockbox
19:12:12futuristah, well i figured those who sought out rockbox may indeed know something about getting flac to work in unlikely places, lol
19:12:35gevaertsTry #rockbox-community
19:12:47futuristah i didn't know that one was there, thanks
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22:17:10mcuelenaeredoes logf requires something more than setting it in ../tools/configure?
22:17:58gevaertsYou need to enable it in each file that you want output from (#define LOGF_ENABLE)
22:18:15mcuelenaereah ok
22:18:43mcuelenaerebefore #include "logf.h" I presume?
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22:21:42mcuelenaeredoes the logf debug menu supports scrolling and if so, how do I scroll? :)
22:22:09gevaertsIt doesn't do scrolling unfortunately, no
22:22:41gevaertsDo you have working disk writing ?
22:23:03mcuelenaerehow can I enable this from in the beginning of the OS?
22:23:15mcuelenaereor is the buffer automatically flush to HDD if it's full?
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22:23:38gevaertsYou run it at the moment you want to dump, not before
22:24:00mcuelenaerehmm, so it could be that some of the messages were already discarded at that moment?
22:24:06jumpatraincan rockbox playback the musepack beta?
22:24:38gevaertsmcuelenaere: could be, but in my experience it usually has enough. You can probably increase the buffer size somewhere
22:25:10mcuelenaereok, even if I've set LOGF_ENABLE globally (I defined it in config-XX.h)
22:26:05gevaertsDepends on what you do I guess...
22:26:49Seedjumpatrain: no
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22:58:24xdavidxgrovesxcan someone tell me how to connect to this using Pidgin IM
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22:59:26domonokyxdavidxgrovesx: that off-topic, take a look at pidgins website, or google it..
22:59:42xdavidxgrovesxthanks for being rude
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23:00:51*gevaerts grabs his binoculars to look for this rudeness
23:01:27*domonoky thinks he was rude.. :-)
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23:16:57herrwaldohi guys hows the usb stack coming allong on 502X targets ? as in, how do i enable it and what's it capable of ? Is there somewhere i can watch the status ?
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23:23:03herrwaldothanx ... and again .. you're doing a GREAT job
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