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#rockbox log for 2008-04-27

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00:38:28juzzhi ppl
00:39:04juzzhow is the development on the Samsung P2 goind?
00:40:30gevaertsYou can probably find the most up to date information in the forum thread about it
00:42:15juzzcould you link me? im not that good looking up at the rockbox forum
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00:43:01gevaertsIt's in the "New Ports" section. Each port in progress has a thread there
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00:45:04juzzok.. thank you
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00:47:51juzzno news about rockbox for P2 on the forums.. :(
00:48:02juzzi really do want rockbox..
00:48:17gevaertsThen there probably is no progress unfortunately...
00:49:44juzzare you one of the developers of rockbox.. ?
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00:50:09gevaertsYes. One of the newer ones
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00:55:43preglowhaven't heard of any progress on that, no
00:56:02preglowor even the start of a port...
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05:25:27MrcheesenipsCan I right code for Rockbox and execute it on the Ipod Nano 1st Gen with Rockbox?
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05:28:12LloreanFor the compiling step you'll need a PC though.
05:29:07MrcheesenipsI have a PC. So, whats the first step?
05:29:43LloreanRead the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page.
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08:34:57markunstuntmaster: hi
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08:49:24stuntmasterI have a problem.
08:49:36stuntmasterMy music isn't playing on Rockbox's firmware. :/
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08:50:56scorchestuntmaster: well, what happens?
08:50:56advcomp2019stuntmaster, what player do you have?
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09:49:52markunfuturist2: problems with your connection?
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10:56:21markunBagder: I needed to add support for big-endian arm targets in the crosscompiler for the meizu port. Is this patch ok to upload?
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11:01:50linuxstbmarkun: Why do we need big-endian arm targets?
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11:15:40markunlinuxstb: because the meizu bootloader expects our code to be big-endian.
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11:16:24JdGordonmarkun: default_interrupt() i mean (look in any of the system-target .c files)
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11:17:03markunlinuxstb: do you think is it possible to just have the first branch in the interrupt and the first instruction it jumps
11:17:20markunbe big-endian and then switch to little-endian mode?
11:18:01markun(sorry for the strange sentence, was editing it and pressed enter by accident)
11:18:17markunJdGordon: thanks
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11:22:53linuxstbmarkun: Maybe. I'm thinking that maybe some of the asm-optimised ARM code will be assuming little-endian, so it could complicate things to support both modes. I don't know though.
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11:24:21markunlinuxstb: that's also what I think
11:25:00linuxstbBut maybe there is a reason Meizu chose big-endian mode...
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11:25:20markunfor now I'll just compile my meizu testcode in big-endian and then we can try to work around it later
11:25:41linuxstbYes, it's probably too early to decide.
11:25:45markunmaybe they chose big-endian mode because the calmrisc is also big endian
11:25:57linuxstbAh, that would make sense.
11:26:17linuxstbDo they share RAM?
11:26:40markunthey have some memory mapped registers to communicate
11:26:56markunbut I didn't really look into it yet
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11:55:42ali_aslinuxstb, I'm extremely confused with the start of a firmware, LDR PC, =0x20000060, an unconditional jump to SDRAM, I don't get it, how can the sdram be setup and working?
11:57:17gevaertsluck ?
11:57:19linuxstbIt's initialised by the boot-rom code embedded in the tcc SoC
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11:57:54ali_asWhere does the SDRAM config value come from and how is the code copied to SDRAM?
11:58:26ali_asI can't see anything like that in the chip datasheet.
11:58:45linuxstbI don't know how it happens in NAND boot mode, but in the USB boot mode (i.e. tcctool), it's transferred over USB to the device as part of the header.
11:59:03linuxstbali_as: BTW, what target are you investigating?
11:59:31ali_asThis is on my K3, but also on some poor chaps iriver x20 came in yesterday having bricked it.
12:00:17ali_asCouldn't use tcctool as we couldn't find an SDRAM config value to use.
12:00:32linuxstbNone of the existing ones worked?
12:00:58linuxstbSome devices have different USB PIDs in usb boot mode, so you would need to edit tcctool to try them.
12:01:13ali_asThe chip is an 8200. b051.
12:02:20ali_asI've looked at trying to make a generic value using the datasheet and guessed numbers but hard to come up with plausable values for sdram refersh rates.
12:03:36ali_asI think he's damaged the circuitboard trying to solder a switch to the bootstrap points (His last email this morning) so he may not be able to try anything else.
12:04:03ali_asBut infuriating the firmware doesn't seem to contain the sdram value.
12:09:04bertriknanok, about the sansa v2's, I don't know what exactly the current stumbling block is, as far as I can see on bagders site lack of recovery mode could be it
12:09:37J-23What's tcctool?
12:10:09linuxstbJ-23: A tool that communicates with Telechips CPUs in "usb boot mode"
12:10:22J-23linuxstb: thanks.
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12:13:49JdGordonthe ifp sim isnt being built anymore?
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13:16:38instinct-hi everyone
13:17:58instinct-Anyone knows if it is possible to find out if a Sansa280 is v1 or v2 by the model number ? been googling since a while without getting smarter
13:18:32gevaertsMaybe it's possible, but I never heard of a way to do this
13:18:34scorche|shdo you have the device in your hand?
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13:19:40instinct-sadly not. Am looking into buying a new player as my elio is slowly dying, so i was looking to find a way to buy a v1 as i'd love to use rockbox
13:19:52*n1s sees great things on the frontpage :)
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13:20:52*gevaerts agrees
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13:27:02instinct-hm. The v2 has microSDHC and the vendor lists MicroSD only and no audible support...but might be just copy/paste *sigh*
13:28:45scorche|shinstinct-: you cant really tell unless the device is in your hand, sadly
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13:29:33pixelmadomonoky: you really around?
13:29:48*domonoky nods
13:30:25instinct-according to the sandisk forums the packaging is different. so i might switch onlineshop and pay a tad more to talk to a sales person before hmm
13:31:02gevaertsThe packaging is different, but some of the packages are mixed up
13:32:27pixelmadomonoky: saw your edits on the DevConEuro page. Do you need more info about how to get to the location etc.?
13:32:29instinct-so i might just risk it and send it back if it's the wrong one i guess.
13:33:15instinct-Luckily laws allow a reasonless return with moneyback when ordering online
13:34:04gevaertsWhy reasonless ? "I don't want SDHC" is a perfectly good reason :)
13:34:09domonokypixelma: i think i will find it.. there are already directions from the main-station to DevCon, and google maps also helps.. :-)
13:37:34pixelmadomonoky: as you wish. If your train takes the east-west route through Berlin it might be a bit more comfortable to only get out at Ostbahnhof but Hauptbahnhof is quite ok in any case.
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13:38:19pixelmaprobably west > east though :)
13:38:40domonokyjup :-)
13:39:17DerPapstjhMikeS: nice commit! :-)
13:39:53amiconnjhMikeS: ping...
13:40:10instinct-oddly enough there are two different product codes for the 8GB one, tho i didnt find any info what is actually different. As it seems that it doesnt say anything about v1 or v2
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14:15:53BigBambiAnyone with an Archos recorder v1 - is the S/PDIF optical or coax, and is there a setting to enable it, or is it always on? (I can't find one in the sim)
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14:16:54pixelmaI only know that it's not optical (don't have a Recorder V1 myself)
14:17:20Bagderit's not? I thought it was... :-)
14:17:26BigBambiI'm doing a quick ammendment to the manual to include the H1x0 optical out setting
14:17:30Bagderand yeah I have one somewhere...
14:17:47BigBambiAnd I want to check if I need to mention ot for the recorder or not as well :)
14:17:52Bagderwell, I've never used it
14:18:08pixelmaamiconn uses it, so...
14:18:11LloreanI've never used it, but *someone* once said it was coax
14:18:17LloreanAnd I seem to recall it was someone who'd actually know
14:18:36BigBambiThe question is mainly is there a menu option for it. If there is, it should be in the manual and I might as well add it while I'm at it
14:18:46amiconnIt's coax, and it's always on
14:18:57BigBambiamiconn: Thanks very much :)
14:19:37amiconnIt costs practically no power to leave it enabled (unlike the LED for optical s/pdif), so an option is unnecessary
14:20:07*amiconn uses it quite often at home
14:20:44BigBambiI use the optical on my h1x0 quite a bit at home too
14:21:36BigBambiHow do I do a diff of one file only?
14:21:51Bagdersvn diff [file]
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14:26:48BigBambipixelma: Seeing as you are here, fancy a quick manual patch: I used opt{h1xx} as I couldn't spot one for optical output
14:33:17amiconnBigBambi: spdif_power is the feature you want
14:33:29BigBambiamiconn: Ah thanks
14:33:33BigBambiI'll change it
14:34:27pixelmaBigBambi: sorry, seems I can't do that ATM - not at home and I don't have access to my remote "environment" currently
14:34:42BigBambiDon't worry, I'll stick it on flyspray
14:34:44pixelmabuild environment that is
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14:38:59gevaertsIs it just me, or are the FS rss2 feeds for opened tasks and edited tasks the same since a few days ?
14:39:57pixelmaBigBambi: in case you wonder, should be one of the UseOptions that you can use for 'opt'ing that's automatically generated from the languages' features.txt (you should have a features.tex in the manual build directory somewhere which list's them)
14:40:28BigBambipixelma: thanks
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14:41:34JdGordondo any targets allow you to set a 0.5dB volume increment? or are all only in 1dB steps?
14:41:59amiconnneither, afaik
14:42:03BigBambi if anyone fancies a quick manual thang
14:42:20amiconnMost are in 1dB steps, but some are in 1.5dB steps afaik
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14:46:02gevaertsBigBambi: "allow digital connection" or "allow a digital connection" ?
14:46:33BigBambier, allow a digitial connection or allow digital connections
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14:46:39BigBambibut the first is better
14:46:52*BigBambi slaps head
14:46:55*gevaerts assumes that you can only have one connection at a time
14:46:56BigBambigevaerts: thanks
14:47:00BigBambigevaerts: yep
14:47:17BigBambibut allow digital connections could also be used in a general sense
14:47:24BigBambibut the first is better
14:47:27amiconnActually the Player is such a case. The DAC only allows 1.5dB steps (and at the lowest levels even 3dB steps). However, rockbox uses 1 dB steps and then just rounds.
14:48:17BigBambigevaerts: I actually changed that but uploaded the wrong version
14:49:31BigBambinew one there now!
14:50:38linuxstbBuschel: Around?
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14:51:20gevaertsBigBambi: committed
14:51:26BigBambigevaerts: cheers
14:52:01BigBambiI've closed the task
14:52:46pixelmashort-lived one :)
14:52:55*gevaerts increased his commit count again :)
14:52:57JdGordonamiconn: ok ta...
14:53:35BigBambiYeah - got to one of the fastest opened and closed without the comment "Don't request ports" :)
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14:54:51gevaertsWell, I test-built twice (one for h100, and one other), and I proofread it, so all needed steps should be done :)
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14:54:55JdGordonthe mr500 uses the touchpad chip for touchpad and the DAC... should I add a 2nd define for TSC2100_DAC (or something?) or is it fairly liekly that any target using it would use it for both?
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14:57:43preglown1s: i like your bin size saving commits :)
14:58:35*gevaerts feels a bit ashamed about his followup commit
14:59:52*n1s puts on green delta hat :)
15:01:43JdGordonis it normal for DACs to change volume in steps automatically instead of jumping from the current value to the new one?
15:04:58amiconnWhy should they do that?
15:05:16JdGordonthis one does and I wasnt sure if thats normal or not
15:05:25*JdGordon will try to disable that
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15:05:58pixelman1s: wow, nice delta :)
15:06:07n1sthanks :)
15:06:28amiconnMaybe it's part of click/pop prevention. However, I don't think just using several smaller steps will get rid of clicks/pops
15:07:51amiconnIt may reduce them though. Making the transition click free requires zero-crossing detection and/or smooth gain change
15:09:34shotofaddsJdGordon: could you have a look at the touchscreen keymap changes in FS #8708 and see if they're ok for your music:wardrobe? ;-)
15:10:46JdGordonyep, although I rekon go for it and we can fix them later if needed
15:12:32amiconnbin chop chop... :/
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15:40:11preglown1s: hah, nice green delta row indeed!
15:41:43JdGordonoh bloody hell... /me didnt see the ci failed message :(
15:41:52JdGordonwondering where the heck a commit got to :p
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16:31:29linuxstbBuschel: I was wondering why there is a need for an accessory power setting - doesn't the Apple firmware do that automatically?
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16:33:46Buschellinuxstb: I think so, I do not know whether this power supply is switched by the OF or if it's always on
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16:34:23Buschellinuxstb: also I wanted to have the significant power savings in snv for all non-accessory users
16:34:57Buschellinuxstb: of course we should try to find a automatic solution for the future and remove the setting then
16:34:59linuxstbIt just seems the wrong approach to me - unless we know that it can't be determined automatically.
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16:35:19linuxstbWe normally avoid these kinds of temporary hacks.
16:37:24linuxstbHow significant is the power saving? i.e. how much does it add to a runtime time?
16:37:31Buschelwell, jsut thought it would be a good idea to have the power savings for the users until the automatic detection has been found.
16:37:40Buschel~1.5mA on my 5.5G 30GB
16:37:57preglowproblem is that such a solution kind of lessens the chances of a proper fix surfacing
16:38:00linuxstbWhat's that in terms of a runtime test?
16:38:53Buschelabout 30-50min
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16:39:31jpt9What exactly does the "Custom View" database option do?
16:39:39jpt9It just brings up a blank menu on my Sansa.
16:39:50Buschelpreglow/linuxstb: if not wanted the patch can be easily removed
16:40:23linuxstbBuschel: I don't know what others think, but if you had asked before committing, I would have said not to commit....
16:41:07preglowwell, i'm a bit torn on what to think. the ipods are hard targets to reverse-engineer
16:41:30preglowand this does provide a battery usage benefit, which we much appreciate
16:41:57preglownow that it's in, i think it can stay in, but a proper solution would be very nice
16:43:00linuxstbI just think that the ability to save that power should motivate someone to do it properly. Now that motivation is far less... But if others are happy, I'm not going to argue about it.
16:43:26linuxstbDo we know what accessories (which work anyway in Rockbox) need that power?
16:43:33Buschelin fact, my motiviation to do it the right way is not less than before :)
16:43:56preglowany idea how retailos deals with accessory power?
16:45:02Buschellinuxstb: i only know about the mentioned FM-transmitter for sure. i've borrowed some a2dp adaptor for reverse engineering.
16:45:12*Buschel hopes this adaptors behaves similar
16:45:52Buschelsome bluretooth profile -> Advanced Audio Distribution Profile
16:47:00Buschelfor now I know that GPIO-detection only works when power suppy is active and that the accessory detect in the PCF-chip does not seem to be used
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16:47:23Buschelas the accessories are codec via resistors I guess that there si some ADC involved
16:48:09linuxstbI seem to recall something about
16:48:42linuxstbI seem to recall something about devices requesting power via the Apple Accessory Protocol, but I could be mistaken - I can't find reference to it here -
16:48:44*Buschel forgot to mention that his a2dp adaptor does not give any changes in GPIO even if the power supply is active
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17:33:50bluebrotherdomonoky: what do you think about FS #8939?
17:34:19*domonoky will take a look...
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17:35:42*bluebrother notices that the OP added another comment ...
17:38:10*domonoky thinks such thinks doesnt belong into rbutil... maybe ipodpatcher could have a switch to override the safety checks, but that should only for advanced users, so no gui for it.. :-)
17:38:16shotofaddswell, that went well !
17:38:22shotofaddsat last I score some points
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17:53:38*bluebrother just added another comment to that task
17:53:50*linuxstb too...
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17:55:06[Viaken]I'd like to convert this wavpack file to speex in Linux. How do I decode the wavpack?
17:55:34krazykit[Viaken], it'd be better to ask your distribution's channel, as this isn't really rockbox-related
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17:59:36ThibGToo bad I can't try touchscreen's driver... The bootloader says "Read failed (image)"
17:59:46ThibG(Cowon D2, SVN version)
18:00:15shotofaddsThibG: you need to read the Known Problems on the CowonD2Info wiki page
18:00:37shotofaddsunzip again, boot the OF, then try again
18:01:22ThibGoh, ok
18:03:14[Viaken]krazykit: I suppose, sorry.
18:03:29[Viaken]Just thought there'd be more chance of someone knowing in here.
18:03:50DerPapst[Viaken]: you can try #rockbox-community thoguh
18:04:58bluebrotherwow, windows is nice. Fatal errors during compiling rbutil using msvs −− stdbool.h and stdint.h are not found :/
18:05:34DerPapstas long as compiling rbutil doesn't lead to a BSOD....
18:05:34ThibGok, it works :)
18:06:48bluebrotherno, building isn't successful due to that errors.
18:07:16*bluebrother considers such a compiler environment broken
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18:08:26DerPapstwhy do you want to compile it with msvs anyway?
18:08:31ThibGoh, the displayed time isn't the same that the official firmware's one at all :P
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18:09:16austriancoderHi all.. If somebody can find to check my patch, I would be very happy
18:10:02bluebrotherDerPapst: well, I'm interested in the impacts of doing so. And it's working without patching Qt now.
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18:13:02bluebrotherit also seems building is noticably faster than with MinGW. Not that it's too much of an issue.
18:13:44ThibGthe touchscreen works fine, it'll be better if used like a mouse, but it's very usable now :)
18:14:01preglowaustriancoder: it seems your patch assumes a target will have software tone controls if they aren't in hardware
18:14:07domonokybluebrother: rbutils Http cant cope with URLs with whitespaces in the query... the query needs a "toPercentEncoding(query)" ..
18:14:08preglowi don't know if that always will hold
18:14:39bluebrotherdomonoky: hmm −− interesting. I thought I fixed the whitespace issue recently.
18:15:34domonokythe URL path is percentEncoded, the query isnt.. do you want to fix ? or should i ? ..
18:15:37shotofaddsThibG: right now it's a good compromise that lets you use most of the plugins etc. the clock works for some people (me!) but not others. it'll be fixed eventually...
18:16:15ThibGshotofadds, ok... But it's quite strange... Shouldn't be all D2 quite similar?
18:16:32shotofaddswho knows ;-)
18:16:37bluebrotherI'll take a look.
18:18:37austriancoderpreglow: for the current devices its okay..
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18:19:29pixelmaaustriancoder: 'd like it better if you could link the comment and not the patch, makes it easier to grasp the idea what the patch should do
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18:20:37ThibGIt's maybe because of the official firmware's version? I have 3.54...
18:21:43shotofaddsThibG: nope, myself and preglow are both using v4.55. mine works (partly) but his doesn't...
18:22:39*shotofadds is glad to have got some green back :)
18:22:57austriancoderpixelma: okay.. the patch introduces AUDIOHW_CAPS which are used to get known what the audio codec can do in hardware, e.g. set bass. Now audiohw.h converts this CAPS into defines. These defines will be used in sound.c to see if we must use dsp to change e.g bass or if we can do it in hardware. This patch also moves mas35xx specific code for bass und treble into /firmware/drivers/audio/mas35xx.c and it fixes an probelm with
18:22:57austriancoderwm8751 that we can use current_xxx * 10 in sound.c for every target
18:23:04preglowshotofadds: does tcctooling rockbox.bin work reliably for you? sometimes i seem to have broken nand access
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18:23:53shotofaddscan you describe what you mean by 'broken nand access'?
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18:25:09purpleposeidonWhat's the best mp3 player to get?
18:25:15preglowshotofadds: no theme gets loaded, no visible directory structure, etc
18:25:46ThibGhm... is UMS supposed to work (read only, yeah) at the moment?
18:26:03preglowyou should expect little to work at the moment, heh
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18:26:20ThibGpreglow, ok :)
18:26:27purpleposeidonIn terms of ease-to-install rockbox and functionality?
18:26:28shotofaddspreglow: it's probably "the usual" problem, but because you're not running the bootloader it doesn't display the errors.
18:26:40preglowshotofadds: ahh, makes sense
18:26:54shotofaddseg, no CRC check on the main image
18:27:15shotofaddsI really need to do some work on the NAND driver...
18:27:43linuxstbpurpleposeidon: Depends what functionality (in terms of what the hardware can do) you want...
18:28:04ThibGhowever, your work is impressive and I'm afraid I can't contribute to it :(
18:28:21preglowshotofadds: what is the boot procedure thus far? internal boot rom -> firmware image, which jumps straight to rockbox check before doing anything else?
18:28:25ThibGBut I'll try Rockbox from time to time :)
18:28:46*domonoky has the first part for AlbumArt in rbutil running... :-) (i can now fetch and display AA images from Amazon)
18:28:55mtrckbxAnybody else having trouble downloading the iRIver firmware (nonUSversions) for the iRiver H320 from the website suggested in the manual? The manuak claims that sevral version are supported, but the only file file I can download successfully is version 1.31K (which does not seem to be supported).
18:29:01shotofaddspreglow: yep, that's right.
18:29:12preglowshotofadds: so nothing in the way of hardware gets touched before we're run, really?
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18:30:10shotofaddspreglow: not unless the boot ROM does any initialisation, but I'd have thought that's unlikely.
18:30:22stuntmasterGot a question.
18:30:47bluebrotherdomonoky: do you really think such a feature should be in rbutil? Wouldn't it be better to leave that for some media player software (like amarok ...) and just convert the images?
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18:31:11linuxstbdomonoky: Then I take back my comment about not adding ipod restore facilities to rbutil in order to keep things simple and focused...
18:31:29preglowshotofadds: is the firmware located on the nand as well, or is there some other rom chip?
18:31:51preglowshotofadds: oh, and btw, if i want to update the bootloader, i need only do the "1" stage of firmware updating, yeah?
18:31:53DerPapstmake it an albumart plugin for rbutil :-P
18:31:54shotofaddsthere's a nand boot area at the end of the (first?) bank. the boot ROM loads it from there.
18:32:06stuntmasterWhen playing GBC roms, I switch to the "Menu"(which has Save Game, Load Game, Options) with the "Hold" key and then I take my iPod off "Hold" but I still can't move my cursor. The only thing I can do is lock it again or reboot with "Menu + Middle button". Any help?
18:32:35domonokymaking it a plugin to rbutil would be possible.. at moment its still very expermimental..
18:32:39gevaertsmtrckbx: I managed to get H300(jp) about a month ago
18:32:43shotofaddsI'm out for the night now. Back tomorrow....
18:33:15stuntmasterat moment its still very expermimental.. <−− What? GBC emulation?
18:33:37mtrckbxgevaerts, did you get it from one on the links suggested on the rockbox website?
18:33:45krazykitstuntmaster, that was aimed at someone else
18:33:50stuntmasterI know.
18:33:56domonokystuntmaster: no my Albumart experiments in rbutil..
18:33:59bluebrotherlinuxstb: btw, what happened to the idea to allow ipodpatcher converting from macpod to winpod?
18:34:03gevaertsmtrckbx: good question. I might have got it by looking aroung on the iriver website
18:34:08ThibGbye, and thanks again :)
18:34:18stuntmasterAnyways, does anyone know how to fix my problem?
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18:35:14DerPapstbluebrother: iirc it works for all iPods with a sectorsize of 512bytes
18:35:37domonokylinuxstb: if ipodpatcher can do a ipod restore, i may even include it into rbutil :-)
18:36:22mtrckbxok gevaerts, thanks, I will poke around a bit on the iRiver website. In the meantime, anybody else having trouble with the links suggested in the IRIver h320 manual for the firmware download? I can't even get to the mirror.
18:36:59gevaertsrasher's site seems to be down, yes
18:37:58gevaertsmtrckbx: try
18:40:57mtrckbxthanks gevaerts, i also went and found it myself. Does it matter which version I use (EU,JP,KR)?
18:41:56gevaertsI don't think so, at least not if you only use rockbox
18:43:16mtrckbxI only intnend to use rockbox. I am assuming the others will not neccessarily be in english.
18:45:10gevaertsI have 1.29J and it seems to be in english
18:45:29BigBambiI would guess the EU version has a good chance of supporting English...
18:46:04*gevaerts just updated some of the links
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18:50:39mtrckbxgevaerts, thanks, I will either try the J version or the EU version. The only reason I was steering away from the EU version is that there is a warning about incorrect version idetification on the Rockbox website, but it seems like the file may have just been named incorrectly?
18:52:38gevaertsNo idea. I removed that bit while updating the link just now though (that warning was 3 years old and the link changed...)
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18:54:24*gevaerts decides to re-add that warning... The iriver website calls it 1.29 as well on most of the page
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18:58:15DerPapstDoes the Cowon D2 have no real buttons?
18:58:43austriancodersure.. it has three
18:59:51austriancoderlabeled "-", "M" and "+" oh and it as hold and power on 3-state-button
19:00:29gevaertsIs there a reason for fwpatcher being windows-only ?
19:01:02domonokygevaerts: fwpatcher is outdated, use rbutil :-)
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19:01:52*gevaerts tries, but he will unset DISPLAY first :)
19:01:54DerPapsti wonder because of the latest commit. for some modules it removes all buttons in a plugin and leaves a #elif CONFIG_KEYPAD == COWOND2_PAD stub there.
19:02:47austriancodermaybe touchmaps will be used?
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19:03:30DerPapstthey will but for example in flashlight.c it's just empty. that doesn't feel right
19:04:19bluebrothergevaerts: there was a patch in the tracker for a command line fwpatcher on linux ... it basically is a few steps using scramble.
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19:05:32domonokyfwpatcher is nativ windows gui, the console way for patching involves 3 steps with scramble + ? .. dont know the exact details anymore..
19:06:49*gevaerts decides to dislike rbutilqt
19:07:18gevaertsMaybe it's fine for people who like GUIs, but...
19:07:29DerPapstuse the cli vresion :-P
19:07:31*domonoky invites gevaerts to improve it...
19:08:13domonokythere is also a rbtutil cli patch on the tracker.. but it isnt really finished..
19:08:16gevaertsdomonoky: I'm probably the worst person to improve it. Other people won't like it any more then :)
19:08:59preglowgevaerts: fwpatcher is windows only because winapi was the only gui programming i did when i wrote it
19:09:35gevaertspreglow: good reason I guess :)
19:09:47bluebrothergevaerts: what do you dislike about rbutil?
19:10:25BigBambifwpatcher was also fine with wine
19:11:28*bluebrother dislikes winapi
19:11:36bluebrotherespecially after having some Qt work ;-)
19:12:13gevaertsbluebrother: hard to say. It doesn't play really nice with my WM
19:12:30bluebrotherinteresting. What WM are you using?
19:12:35gevaertsbluebrother: but you're probably best of to disregard anything I say about GUIs...
19:12:39gevaertsbluebrother: ion2
19:13:05bluebrotherhmm, never tried that. Maybe I should check it −− if only to have looked at it once ;-)
19:14:02gevaertsOne issue I have is that if I click "install bootloader", it opens a progress window, and then a dialog to tell me that the bootloader is already up to date
19:14:35gevaertsBut this dialog is bound to the main window, and by then the progress window is in front, so I don't see that dialog
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19:15:28*gevaerts should have disliked rbutil when bluebrother and domonoky were not around ;)
19:16:22bluebrothersounds like something we should make nicer
19:16:53gevaertsI'm not sure if that's easy to do properly
19:17:57bluebrotherat least it's good to know about this. IMO rbutil should work as good as possible regardless of WM or OS.
19:19:51linuxstbgevaerts: Do other qt apps have similar issues for you?
19:19:55gevaertsOne solution could be to integrate the progress window in the main window
19:20:43gevaertslinuxstb: hard to say. I don't often use qt apps
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19:22:48mtrckbxgevaerts, all your previous help is much appreciated. I have followed the installation instructions to a T for my iRiver H320 yet when I rebooted it the IRiver spalsh screen is not presented. Is there a way to switch from one firmware to another.
19:22:55gevaertsAnother part of my dislike is just that it does things that I personally want cli tools for
19:23:31gevaertsmtrckbx: I think you'll need someone else now. I have a h320, but I'm not a specialist on it
19:24:00linuxstbmtrckbx: So Rockbox is working on your h320?
19:25:11mtrckbxWell, I am not sure, that is the problem. I loaded the Rockbox firmware and patched the iRvier firmware to include the bootloader but get no sign of Rockbox when I boot.
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19:25:21linuxstbSo what do you see?
19:26:15mtrckbxA screen that showsthe number of folders/files the volume, etc.
19:26:52linuxstbI've no idea what screen that is... I also don't own an H320 though...
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19:29:39mtrckbxI am going to try the firmware upgrade again, I feel as though I saw some discussion of needing to do this twice?
19:30:00linuxstbSo you're still in the original iriver firmware?
19:30:11mtrckbxThat did it, update firmware twice.
19:30:44mtrckbxNow I am presented with the Rockbox spalsh screen.
19:31:54midgeyH300s running the US firmware need to be flashed twice. If you are running Korean, European, or Japanese, flashing once is all that's needed.
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19:33:37bluebrotherdomonoky: just added the percent encoding to httpget. I hope that class is getting mature now ;-)
19:33:50mtrckbxGot it midgey, thanks. I saw that information somewhere on the Rockbox website but not in the H320 instruction manual, I think that that info should probably be added somewhere it is possible that I just missed it though).
19:35:16midgeyPresumably the US firmware doesn't overwrite parts of the flash to preserve the DRM key. Once you've flashed to another firmware region, the firmware will flash the entire hex file.
19:38:03midgeyso, I want to add language_strings to the plugin API. language_strings is an array of pointers
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19:38:54domonokybluebrother: what do you think about separating gui and non-gui code in rbutil ?
19:38:54midgeywould i put "const unsigned char **language_strings;" at the end of the plugin_api struct in plugin.h?
19:39:17Bagdermidgey: yes I'd say so
19:39:23bluebrotherdomonoky: I was thinking about that myself. I hope the bootloader rework will get us somewhat into that direction
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19:40:22midgeyBagder: and how would I add that to plugin.c? i keep getting warnings
19:40:49bluebrotherat some point (still quite a lot of work until then) create a folder "gui" and put everything that includes QtGui in that folder. All other classes should only rely on QtCore
19:41:31Bagdermidgey: language_strings is a "extern unsigned char *language_strings[];"
19:41:38linuxstbbluebrother: So a command-line version would still need Qt?
19:41:40domonokybluebrother: yes, that would be nice
19:41:43Bagderso you should make the plugin struct member that same type
19:42:12domonokylinuxstb: yes, but only QtCore.. (everything uses QString and alike)
19:42:16bluebrotherlinuxstb: yes, as all classes heavily rely on that. But only on the non-gui parts of Qt
19:43:01linuxstbOK, but that doesn't sound like a nice abstraction of GUI code - if the non-gui code relies on the GUI toolkit...
19:43:33bluebrotherwell, Qt isn't that much of a GUI toolkit anymore −− it has two parts, and you'll only need the non-gui one
19:43:35domonokylinuxstb: it relies on the non-gui part of Qt..
19:44:41bluebrotherso you won't link against QtGui anymore −− no GUI parts in the binary :)
19:44:51linuxstbWhat does QString do? Doesn't the C++ stdlib have a string object?
19:45:37*linuxstb isn't sure what he's arguing about... He can't change Qt...
19:45:41domonokyQString has much more member functions (convinience) and it integrates into Qts Object model..
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19:47:02domonokyalso a good thing of using QtCore is the multiplatform ability...
19:47:09*gevaerts thinks that if you use Qt, it makes sense to use it all the way
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19:51:42domonokybluebrother: where do you think is work need to seperate GUI from core more ?
19:54:31bluebrothersome of the install functionality is still quite mixed. We should have something like the zip installer class −− but on more places.
19:54:50bluebrotherlike creating a class that only does the talkfile stuff. And another one for the GUI
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19:55:59*domonoky thought he had a Non-gui talkfile creator...
19:56:13*bluebrother checks the talkfile stuff to prevent telling nonsense
19:56:56*domonoky sees that talkfile.h and voicefile.h only includes QtCore.. :-)
19:57:00bluebrotherok, I take the talkfile back. Seems I mixed things up :(
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19:57:21domonokyi just want something to work on, so no worries.. :-)
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19:57:47bluebrotherah, that's the reason you're doing AA stuff? ;-)
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19:58:14*gevaerts is looking around in rbutil and got stuck :(
19:58:38bluebrotherhmm, browsing the rbutil source with vs2005 is neat −− if you have a project file
19:59:03gevaertsI can't get out of the speex settings dialog
19:59:24domonokygevaerts: tell us where you got stuck.. :-)
19:59:45bluebrotherwe should make the voice stuff less configureable −− you can't use mp3 clips on players except the archos anymore
20:00:16gevaertsI chose the Rockbox Speex Encoder and clicked on "Configure Enc". It opened the speex settings dialog, but none of the buttons in there work
20:00:48*gevaerts suspects some weird Qt<->ion2 interaction
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20:01:03*domonoky got the same yesterday, it was because i used Qt4.4 dlls with a Qt4.3 non-static rbutil...
20:01:44midgeyWell the good news is I fixed what i broke and now plugins work on the sim again (hurray!). So far, strings accessed with the ID2P() macro work but the str() macro doesn't work yet. So basically, I have localized splashes in plugins.
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20:05:26gevaertsMaking rbutil use only one window with lots of different panels would solve all my problems, but it would probably be horrible on smaller screens and have a worse UI for "normal" WM users
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20:08:24bluebrotherdomonoky: if you're looking for work, you could pick up the cli again ;-)
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20:08:55bluebrothermaybe put it in a subfolder "cli". I guess you'll find out where more separation is needed.
20:09:24bluebrotherand once that is done we can move all gui stuff to a "gui" folder and leave the pure classes in the main folder.
20:10:35domonokytrue, maybe i should pic up the cli version again.. trying to make a better cli ui...
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20:11:41bluebrotheryou could leave out the bootloader stuff for now until I get the rework finished.
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20:12:23gevaertsI just tried with metacity. It gets stuck in the same plave
20:14:47bluebrotherone other thing I think we could consider is putting some default configurations on the player −− i.e. present the user some presets (like "Ipod-like usage", "file based", "database useage") and create a configuration based on that.
20:15:04bluebrothermaybe also include the language setting −− could get reused in the voice dialogs.
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20:22:52gevaertssoap: so what you're saying is that with a recent build with USB enabed the disk doesn't spin down any more while connected ?
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20:32:56soapcorrect - will update and verify now
20:34:49*gevaerts is trying as well
20:34:52soapgevaerts, happy to bisect - what do you want?
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20:35:32gevaertsSeems to be there in 16970...
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20:39:39bluebrotherdomonoky: oh, just found the "make backup before installation" idea again ...
20:39:59soapthe implicit "it" (being there) being the (proper) spin-down or the bug?
20:40:17bluebrotherso there is still enough work ;-)
20:40:31gevaertsthe bug
20:41:41soapif it helps at all, the disk continues to spin (Windows XP) even after "safely remove"(ed)
20:42:22soap(no hub)
20:43:20gevaertsNow testing 16279
20:44:05soapIn Ubuntu, the drive icon does not show, though the drive continues to spin
20:44:11gevaerts16279 is buggy as well...
20:44:53soapand again, drive spins even after unmounting
20:45:14gevaertsSo bisection won't help much. I can guarantee that 16278 does not have the bug
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20:46:19soapalso (5th Gen) the player won't mount twice.
20:46:46gevaertsHow do you unmount ?
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20:47:01soapIt detects USB insertion and goes to USB mode, eject it, unplug it, use it, yadda yadda yadda, plug it in again the drive spins for a second and nothing happens.
20:47:15gevaertsok. Try lsusb
20:47:17soapI unmount by right-clicking the drive in Gnome and selecting "unmount"
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20:48:41soapI am googling lusb
20:48:54gevaertsI occasionally have that bug as well. No real idea what causes it. running lsusb makes the device enumerate properly
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20:50:12countrymonkeyCould 8916 be checked?
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20:51:38soapok, google and I still can't figure out how to "use lusb"
20:52:12gevaertsjust run lsusb from a shell
20:52:20bluebrothersoap: it's "lsusb"
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20:53:23*bluebrother wonders how confusing mentioning a number like countrymonkey did will become once FS tasks are 5 digit like revision numbers ...
20:53:25soapTHAT might be why ;)
20:54:21soapok, I expect "Bus 008 Device 012: ID 05ac:1209 Apple Computer, Inc." indicates linux sees my iPod even if it isn't mounted as a drive?
20:54:39linuxstbbluebrother: Maybe we should poke Zagor to skip to something like 80000 for the FS numbers...
20:54:57gevaertssoap: yes. The issue is that it sometimes needs to be triggered by lsusb before it will appear
20:55:05*gevaerts found the bug. It's in ata.c
20:55:14bluebrotherand then skip revisions 80000 to 160000? ;-)
20:55:42gevaertsnegative numbers for FS ?
20:55:46countrymonkeyWell, they're not yet. How is that patch? And I'd like to be the permanent chinese translator...
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20:56:21bertrikcountrymonkey: you are reversing a german translation?
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20:58:23countrymonkeyWhen I made that patch, there was a source string mistake in deutsch.lang. In fact, the mistake is still there.
20:58:37countrymonkeyThis patch fixes it.
21:01:09gevaertsAny ata specialists around ?
21:01:32soapIs it a bug or a feature that when charging in USB my config request to display the battery as a percentage in the status bar is ignored and instead the battery percentage is shown graphically?
21:02:00gevaertsa feature of course
21:02:04*gevaerts runs away
21:02:11bertrikcountrymonkey: ok sorry, I'm no translation expert
21:02:21soapJdGordon is the man I would suspect would know about this feature.
21:03:11countrymonkeyCould it be committed? I think you have commit power.
21:04:22gevaertsThe usb spindown issue is because (from my quick reading of the source) ata.c handles the spindown timeout in its event loop, and while usb is connected it doesn't handle events
21:05:17soapmakes sense to me.
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21:07:24bertrikcountrymonkey: yes I can. Who normally decides about stuff like this?
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21:08:06gevaertsAt least this bug explains why my ipod actually looses charge while connected. boosting + spinning disk can probably get near 100mA
21:08:15countrymonkeyI don't know. About 2 months ago I would say rasher and moos, but lately that doesn't seem to be the case. Now it seems like it is more free-floating in whose decision this is.
21:09:45bertrikpetur, markun: what do you think about FS #8916? I think it looks OK.
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21:12:40countrymonkeyHow do I apply for svn access?
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21:13:52gevaertssoap: I probably can fix this myself, but (a) not now, and (b) I'm really nervous about touching ata.c without fully understanding it.
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21:14:24*gevaerts doesn't want to break disk access for everyone except the sansas
21:15:25soapTotally understand - thank you for your time gevaerts
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21:16:16gevaertsI will try to get hold of someone who knows this tomorrow
21:16:18corevettehas anyone seen this?
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21:22:42countrymonkeyInteresting, but I don't think it will work with rb unless we can find a way to get it to store on the disc area all the time.
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21:28:47soapwhy would it not work with a Rockbox'd iPod?
21:29:47soapAssuming your music is in the iTunes database.
21:29:51bluebrotherI guess you couldn't use it as source because of the playlist format (i.e. not using itunesdb)
21:30:26bluebrotherbut has anyone watched the linked video? They tell it's only full speed :o
21:31:00soapbut but but - what's faster than "full speed" ahead Captain?
21:31:28gevaertssoap: easy, high speed and super speed :)
21:31:46markunbluebrother: yes, looks ok
21:32:14bluebrothermarkun: I guess you meant bertrik?
21:32:24markuneh, yes :)_
21:33:07bluebrothergevaerts: there's super speed? Is that with usb 3.0?
21:33:25gevaertsbluebrother: yes. At least if my memory is not totally broken
21:33:45gevaertsAfter that they'll have to get creative :)
21:33:54bertrikOk, I'll commit FS #8916
21:33:58neptunepinklinuxstb: Well, hrrm...
21:34:01soapludicrous speed
21:34:15BigBambilight speed
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21:35:13purpleposeidonMP3, OGG, that voice interface would be nice.... hrrm
21:35:15bertrikmindboggling speed
21:35:41gevaertshigher speed ?
21:36:02purpleposeidonSo I guess an iPod, an iAudio, a Gigabeat, or a Sansa.
21:36:33linuxstbOr an iriver...
21:36:41purpleposeidonErr, iPod/Gigabeat/Sansa.
21:36:42bluebrothergevaerts: well, the naming is a bit strange already, even without super.
21:36:53bluebrotherbut I can think of hyper ;-)
21:37:04purpleposeidonWell, they have some funny thing in the Real Time Clock row. But I don't know what I'd care about that for..
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21:37:41purpleposeidonAnd then, which one is easiest to install from linux?
21:40:03linuxstbAll players are pretty much as easy as each other to install.
21:40:23*bluebrother points to Rockbox Utility ;-)
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22:08:26gwonevening all. I'm looking for a bit of advice. I like the look of rockbox, and so want to grab a music player capable of having rockbox installed on it. Is there a model of ipod/mp3 player that people recommend? 8GB+ a bonus (if there is discussion about this elsewhere, please point me in the right direction)
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22:09:16countrymonkeyRB has a buyer's guide on the wiki.
22:09:23domonokygwon: take a look at:
22:10:11gwonbrilliant! thanks for that
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22:12:57bluebrotherincredible. Error C2062 in winnt.h (!)
22:13:58bluebrothercountrymonkey: there is no way to applying for svn access. Usually you get access offered.
22:14:07purpleposeidonArgh, all of them are discontinued
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22:16:47purpleposeidonI guess eBay is the way to go
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22:19:33HorschtI just remembered: I often get the error "Panic! Event not known" when trying to shut down my ipod 5.5G 80GB
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22:20:39bertrikHorscht: from now on you will know which event :)
22:20:53Horschtwell, I know :p
22:21:21HorschtI just haven't found any consistency, though. 33% of the time it does that
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22:23:42bertrikhmmm, I get a feeling that there's a lot of unnecessary #includes
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22:41:49amiconnsoap: It's a well thought feature that the battery display in the status bar is always shown graphically while charging.
22:43:40amiconnThe charging animation would look really weird numerically. It would cycle 33->66->100 continuously...
22:44:57preglowit uses different colour shades on at least some targets when graphical too
22:45:02soapI agree that even-shifting numbers would look odd, but perhaps "CHG" could be displayed. Not that it matters.
22:45:02preglowwhich makes it clearer that it's charging
22:45:24amiconnpreglow: Yes, but (1) that is now and (2) how would you represent that numerically?
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22:45:39preglowamiconn: i would't try to show it numerically
22:46:07preglowi can see no way to do so without being confusing
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22:46:34amiconnpreglow: That was rhetorically, to pinpoint *why* the battery display is always graphical while charging...
22:46:47preglowahh, i didn't realize it was
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22:51:04NotSoCreativehi guys
22:51:20NotSoCreativecan anybody help me with rockbox?)
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22:51:33BigBambiIf you ask a question, sure
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22:52:39NotSoCreativei have iPod video, and previously I had lots of music, am i able to convert lousy iTunes dir struc to normal structure?
22:52:50preglowitunes doesn't bend that way
22:53:06preglowbut the itunes directory structure can be used by rockbox directly
22:53:31bluebrothergiven that your music has correct tags you could use one of the mass tagger / renamer tools to do that.
22:54:36NotSoCreativeok, and how can i achieve old tracks to delete them from the rockbox db?
22:56:37peturbertrik: how sure are you about the correctness of those lang changes by Harry Tu?
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22:59:07NotSoCreativeis there any apps 2 control the rockbox db?
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23:01:39NotSoCreativedelete tracks for example
23:01:50bertrikpetur: not completely sure, but I don't speak/read chinese so I trust him to know better than I do. Also I asked markun (who did previous commits on the chinese lang files) and it looked OK to him too.
23:01:58NotSoCreativewhich couldn't be achieved through the file system
23:02:01linuxstbmarkun: Did you ever fix your UIE linking problem? I'm getting the same problem on my DAX...
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23:03:04peturbertrik: well his patches are not always errorfree iirc, so I'd rather have them committed by somebody who can verify them
23:03:18*petur looks at scorche
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23:04:47KohlrabiIs it possible to charge the H340 via USB?
23:04:53KohlrabiProbabyl not? :(
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23:05:23peturhold REC while inserting the cable
23:06:06Kohlrabinice, thanks :)
23:06:17Kohlrabibtw, what exactly is "Car-Adapter-Mode"?
23:06:30peturit could be you have to set the usb mode in the OF to desktop (not hub)
23:06:59peturcar-adapter-mode is to power up/down with external power
23:07:24peturdoesn't work on iriver because it stays in the bootloader
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23:10:46n1sor with the official bootloader it loads the OF (at least on h300) :P
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23:13:00Kohlrabiok, thank y'all
23:13:09amiconnlinuxstb: Double check that you really have an UIE() for your target...
23:13:58NotSoCreativetell me plz, what should I do to delete tracks from my iPod? if theese tracks are itunes dirs?
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23:18:10NotSoCreativeanswer me plz
23:18:28linuxstbamiconn: It's present in the compiled firmware/system.o
23:18:44bluebrotherplease follow our channel guidelines and use real words. While some acronyms are accepted in this channel "plz" isn't.
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23:19:38NotSoCreativeoh sorry
23:19:56bertrikpetur: OK, I'll be more careful next time and double-check it with more/other people first
23:20:40bluebrotherand for your file, those are simply files. Do however you like.
23:20:53NotSoCreativei understand
23:21:09bluebrotherif you just delete the files itself they will still show up on the OF −− Apple relies fully on their database.
23:21:28amiconnlinuxstb: Well, something must be wrong with that symbol and/or the other object file(s) referencing it
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23:21:33bluebrotherif you don't want to use the Apple firmware anymore at all you can simply delete the iTunes_Control folder.
23:22:26NotSoCreativei need a utility that could convert iTunes_control F01, F02,etc to normal directories...
23:22:35amiconnYou could compare with other, working arm builds. Maybe you need an underscore, like on SH1? I wonder how that problem is solved on the D2 though...
23:23:00amiconnlinuxstb: Is this with plain svn?
23:23:41bluebrotherNotSoCreative: I answered that earlier −− if those files are tagged properly you can use one of the mass rename tools that are around.
23:24:10NotSoCreativecan you name a couple of them?
23:24:40linuxstbamiconn: No, it's not SVN. I just fixed it by comparing with the Gigabeat F crt0.S - that has a "UIE: b UIE" line, which isn't in the D2's crt0.S
23:24:48bluebrother can tell you. IIRC there is also a wiki page −− UsefulTools or similar.
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23:25:47amiconnlinuxstb: Hmm? That's the stub version for bootloaders. The main build should of course have a real UIE()
23:26:47linuxstbHmm indeed...
23:28:03linuxstbI thought STUB was defined for the GDB stub?
23:28:27linuxstbBut you're right that that was the wrong "fix" for me...
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23:47:20preglowjhMikeS: hmm, i think i like this template structure approach
23:48:39preglowjhMikeS: might even generate prettier code, since the c compiler understands how the offsets work...
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23:52:00jhMikeSpreglow: works nicely so long as gcc doesn't do something weird :)
23:53:14preglowjhMikeS: has it so far?
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23:54:04jhMikeSpreglow: no.
23:54:44linuxstbHmm, seems system.o wasn't being linked at all - the .c code in my build wasn't calling any functions in it, just crt0.S
23:54:45jhMikeSit aligns unpacked data to natural size (as I imagine it must)
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23:58:36*amiconn agrees about the better optimisation part, but not about the 'look nicer' part

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