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#rockbox log for 2008-04-30

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00:54:11linuxstbshotofadds, preglow: Do you know if there's a reason not to enable interrupts in the D2 bootloader? It would remove a lot of #ifdefs...
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01:01:24preglowwe generally don't enable interrupts in bootloaders
01:01:49preglowand to be honest, i think we should keep it that way
01:02:00preglowthe fewer sources of bugs in bootloaders, the better
01:02:03linuxstbIIUC, that's not true. e.g. all the Coldfire bootloaders enable interrupts, as does the m:robe 500
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01:02:27preglowi thought the coldfire bootloaders specfically didn't do it
01:02:32preglowoh well, i haven't looked at those for a while
01:02:33linuxstbI think all the ARM ones don't simply because they're all based on the ipod bootloader, which I never got around to enabling interrupts in (because they weren't needed).
01:02:41linuxstbgrep for "enable_irq" in bootloader/
01:02:59preglowoh, that just unmasks them
01:03:06preglowit doesn't actually set up interrupt vectors and the like
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01:03:39linuxstbI know, but surely that's done as well?
01:03:53preglowi don't think so, really
01:03:56preglowand i don't see why
01:04:55linuxstbI mean why would there be a call to enable_irq(), if interrupts aren't being used?
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01:06:47linuxstbAnd if we want bootloader USB on PP (maybe useful on some targets), we're going to need to enable interrupts.
01:07:13amiconnWell the M3 bootloader actually uses interrupts
01:07:22preglowis the source complexity really that mcuh affacted by bootloaders not enabled interrupts?
01:07:47linuxstbpreglow: Look at adc-tcc780x.c for example - it's basically two different implementations (polling and interrupts)
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01:08:15preglowlinuxstb: well, that certainly is a good point
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01:08:46amiconnIt needs both the tick timer and the iic2 interrupt for the ADC to work (reading battery voltage and most buttons)
01:08:55preglowbut no, i don't have anything about interrupt usage in bootloaders principally, just make it so unexpected interrupts don't hurt anything
01:12:44linuxstbAt least the way it's done currently on telechips, it's extremely safe - the dual-boot check is the first instructions in crt0.S, before anything else is done. So a broken bootloader will still be able to load the original firmware.
01:15:01amiconnAfaik all coldfire bootloaders at least rely on a working tick interrupt (for sleep())
01:19:44preglowgod, that blink that happens when rockbox shuts down on nano is ugly...
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01:23:08Tatshanybody ever seen this menu on an iPod?
01:23:10Tatshit has these options
01:23:13Tatsh5 IN 1
01:23:20TatshHP STAT
01:23:24Tatshwhat is this?
01:23:32scorche|shyou could have put that all on one line...
01:23:33preglowdebug messsges
01:23:42DerPapstdiagnostic mode
01:23:48Tatshi thought so
01:23:51Tatshwhat triggered this?
01:23:54Tatshi left it in my bag all day
01:24:21Tatshwhat button combination does this
01:24:25DerPapstor << + center on most ipods iirc
01:24:54Tatshat least menu + select still reboots
01:24:56Tatshthat's weird
01:24:58Tatshi never expected that
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01:28:23Tatshoh well
01:28:28Tatshthat killed my battery, now recharging ;/
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01:59:28MakuseruDoes anyone know if someone is currently working on the Sansa M240 port? cant seem to find much information on it.
02:02:33linuxstbI've been working on it for the last few days (a "version 1" m260). It's very similar to the Logik DAX player I've also been working on.
02:02:40Makuseruoh ya?
02:02:43Makuseruhows that going?
02:02:58linuxstbStill early days (it doesn't do anything useful), but it's progressing.
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02:03:05Makuserui have a version 1 m240 that i would like to put rockbox on
02:03:24Makuserumy main player is a Toshiba F series, and roxbox just runs amazingly on it
02:03:52Makuserui wish i knew more so i could help with the port, but im severly lacking in the programming area, ha
02:05:38linuxstbI'm sure that when it comes to developing the flash (disk) driver testers with other capacity devices will be needed.
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02:07:21Makuserulinuxstb: well if theres anything you need testers for, ill be a lab rat
02:07:40Makuserui dont know how many times i've bricked my Toshiba trying things
02:07:59linuxstbThere's an m200 thread on the forums - I'll post updates and requests for testers there.
02:08:22Makuseruill be sure to check it out
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02:40:29needshey any one in here a techie at all?
02:40:39Makuseruhi, i was looking at the Context Menu in my Toshiba Gigabeat F40, and i noticed it isnt like what appears in the manual, i only have the
02:40:48Makuseruplaylist option
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02:41:18Makuseruno other options like copy, delete, create. how would i get that?
02:43:35cool_walking_The _CONTEXT_ menu changes with context. I take it you are not calling it while a file is selected in the file browser.
02:45:25Makuserucool_walking_: oh, ok. i get how to use it now
02:45:55cool_walking_Are you trying to create a playlist?
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02:53:30rockboy02does any one know how to run rockboy?
02:54:02rockboy02i am having trouble and was wondering if any 1 knew anyhting at all...
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04:26:47JdGordon|unidoes anyone else wish rockbox had a proper random as well as the shuffle mode?
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04:33:21*scorche quite likes rockbox's random and much prefers it over others
04:33:50scorcheif archos's is the true random...well...ugh
04:35:17JdGordon|uniwell.. I changed from listening to only cds to just loading the whole DAPs content into one playlist and shufflnig it... in this case I wouldnt mind it repeating tracks and jumping around randomly
04:36:12scorche"jumping around randomly"?....does it not do that now?
04:36:43JdGordon|unino, now it shuffles the whole playlist and goes through the list in the expected order
04:37:00JdGordon|uniid like it to do a proper random selection for each track
04:37:04scorcheand how is that different than "jumping around randomly"?
04:37:14scorcheit just does the random bits beforehand
04:37:22JdGordon|uniwith no repeat
04:37:53JdGordon|uniim saying, with a long playlist, repeated shuffle is good
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04:38:45scorchearchos's was did what you ask, but due to the way it was done, you could never go back a track, etc
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04:40:30JdGordon|uniI dont think thats a big deal if you use this mode though
04:40:39*JdGordon|uni definatly not suggesting replacing shuffle
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08:55:11B4gdernice post in the v2 forum thread
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09:15:40GodEaterB4gder: wonder who this Badger fellow is that he keeps mentioning ?
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09:22:04lymecaI have a 5.5G 80GB which I dd'ed the MBR onto to switch it to FAT32
09:22:29lymecaIt started rebooting continuously and a plugged it back in and got it into disk mode but now only /dev/sde1 and /dev/sde2 show up
09:22:33lymecaThere is no /dev/sde
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09:23:56Dhraakellianis there a way to see the total time for a playlist?
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09:26:56B4gderGodEater: clearly some wannabe-person we should avoid!
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09:28:29B4gderand he rockbox player thread is soon to be the single thread in which everything will be discussed in
09:28:41B4gderwe won't need any other
09:28:50linuxstb_Makes things easier to delete...
09:36:04lymecalinuxstb_: My HFS+ iPod has no /dev/sdx
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09:36:39lymeca-ipodpatcher finds no ipods
09:37:36Llorean Dhraakellian: Not currently, as it would require Rockbox opening every single file in the playlist to check its duration, not good for battery life at all.
09:37:51lymecaI just have /dev/sdx1 and /dev/sdx2
09:38:02lymecaHow do I access the MBR of this iPod?
09:38:22DhraakellianLlorean: I know nothing about the DB setup, but would it be possible to store times there?
09:38:32linuxstb_lymeca: That sounds odd - what operating system are you using?
09:39:25LloreanDhraakellian: It'd still require Rockbox query the database for every single song in the playlist. For long playlists, especially if the DB is not loaded to RAM, it would still be a not-good thing.
09:39:41lymecalinuxstb_: Debian
09:40:03DhraakellianLlorean: on DB initialization/update?
09:40:22DhraakellianLlorean: ah, nm... reread what you said
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09:42:00linuxstb_lymeca: I don't know then. You should always get a /dev/sdX device... Are you sure you're looking at the right "X" ?
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09:42:51B4gderand ipodpatcher can't do much fun on an HFS+ ipod anyway, can it?
09:43:21linuxstb_Yes, ipodpatcher itself supports HFS ipods.
09:43:30B4gderah, cool
09:43:45linuxstb_(on request from IPL users)
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09:44:17LloreanNot to mention that long ago there was some talk of giving iPodPatcher the option to convert them...
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09:44:58linuxstb_Most of the code to do that is already in SVN - it just needs testing and (probably) fixing. It's only for 512-byte sector ipods though.
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10:03:24JdGordoncan someone test this with a hard disk target? ... it changes the playlist stuff to use the ata callback instead of polling ata_disk_is_active() to dump the cache control
10:03:41JdGordon.... or should I just commit and hope it works?
10:05:26JdGordon*tumble weeds*...
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10:21:34lymecalinuxstb: I fixed that but now I try and format my 80GB to Fat32 with mtools
10:21:36lymecamformat -t 2428 -h 255 -s 63 -S 2048 -M 2048 -F a:
10:21:40lymecaIt complains:
10:21:48lymecaargssize must be less than 6
10:25:06linuxstblymeca: Checking the IRC logs for that error, you asked the same question on 14th April... Did you manage to recover your ipod, or is this a new one?
10:25:29lymecaThis is a new one.
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10:25:57lymeca5.5G 80GB that I just received today.
10:26:05lymecaThis ia brand new install of Debian too
10:26:30lymecaSo it's not my system's fault (unless the command I pasted it incorrect or Debian's mtools package is funky)
10:28:47linuxstbGoogling shows other people with the same error, but no solution...
10:29:54lymecaIs that command correct for GNU+Linux as well as Mac OS X?
10:30:00lymecamformat -t 2428 -h 255 -s 63 -S 2048 -M 2048 -F a:
10:30:12linuxstbmformat should be the same, no matter where it's running.
10:30:43linuxstbHow have you defined "a:" ?
10:31:15lymecadrive a: file="/dev/sdk2"
10:31:20lymecain /etc/mtools.conf
10:31:26lymecaand /dev/sdk is my ipod
10:31:33lymecaI have a sdk and sdk1 and sdk2
10:31:40lymecawhich means the MBR copy worked
10:32:11lymecafdisk says:
10:32:12lymeca/dev/sdk1 1 4 128394 0 Empty
10:32:12lymeca/dev/sdk2 5 2432 78011640 b W95 FAT32
10:32:37linuxstbThat all looks correct.
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10:41:34amiconnlinuxstb, lymeca: There's a forum post about the very same problem. From the usage template that mformat prints it's easy to figure out what's wrong...
10:41:44amiconnThe -s should be -n
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10:48:23linuxstbamiconn: Ah... So either it's a typo in the wiki, or mformat changed their parameters.
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11:01:38*B4gder found this =>
11:01:44B4gdera request for an M3 port
11:01:56B4gdertook just a bit over 3 years to deliver ;-)
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12:10:27JdGordonhow to I create a .voice file for the lang?
12:11:32LloreanIt's an (A)dvanced build option, or in RButil, isn't it?
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12:15:00JdGordonnope... /me fails
12:15:18LloreanI've done .voice files both ways, always English, so I know both have worked in the past.
12:15:33LloreanWhich are you trying?
12:15:37JdGordonwhere does the .voice end up?
12:15:45JdGordoncommand line
12:15:56LloreanI seem to remember it just being right there in the build folder.
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12:17:05markunB4gder: will you reply the M3 guy that his request has been accepted? :)
12:17:19LloreanJdGordon: Did you do "make voice" instead of "make" ?
12:17:31JdGordonbah, thanks
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12:17:35*Llorean forgot to mention that
12:17:36JdGordonthats not in the makefile help
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12:21:49*JdGordon loves being able to take credit for other people's bug fixes
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12:36:27preglowjhMikeS: did you check out sdoyon's reply to your comments on his patch?
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13:51:41CasainhoI would like to know If I can create wiki pages for the project RockboxPlayer, using "RockboxPlayer-JTAG", for example... using "RockboxPlayer-xxxx" ??
13:52:30Casainhowhat is normaly done in this situation?
13:53:03B4gderpages are created with a common prefix, similar to what you said
13:53:21Casainhocan you give an example?
13:54:05B4gderIaudioM3Info and IaudioM3HardwareComponents
13:54:21B4gderIaudioX5Info and IaudioX5HardwareComponents
13:54:24Casainhoah, okok, so I sould not use the "-"
13:54:40Casainhookok - thank you.
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14:50:52PaulJamis the virtuak hdd led supposed to indicate that the disk is spinning or that the disk is being read?
14:52:47pondlifeSpinning, I'd think
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14:56:42pixelmareally? I would have guessed only when read - or how does it work on flash targets?
14:57:41pondlifeGood question!
14:58:11LloreanI'm pretty sure it's just on read/write.
14:58:43LloreanSince if you turn dircache off, and access the file browser it only shows briefly, I thought, even though the disk doesn't spin down for a few seconds.
14:58:56*Llorean could just pick up a player and check, but it's in the other room.
14:59:14pondlifeI just checked with my H300 and it seemed to be on until spindown, but I might be wrong
14:59:36pondlifeIt was impressively hard to get a spinup to occur, I know that ;)
14:59:42pondlifeHad to skip back lots
15:00:42PaulJamyes, when turning of dircache the disk icon is only shown biefly
15:01:18LloreanYes, far shorter than the 5s spindown time i've got set.
15:01:25*Llorean should probably shorten that.
15:01:26pixelmaon my M5 it seems to only indicate the read. I use it in my WPS and it "turned off" when buffering was finished but the disk was spinning for a bit (of course)
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15:01:45pondlifeAh, I'm talking about the status bar icon, same I assume..
15:02:14pondlifeIt is read/writem sorry
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15:02:30pondlifeMy spindown time (5 seconds) was too slow to tell.
15:02:48PaulJampondlife: i think on rebuffering the disk shuts down immediately after reading no matter what the disk spindown time is set to, so in that case there should be no difference.
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15:03:08*pixelma goes looking for spindown time - uses the default
15:03:32*LambdaCalculus37 keeps his spindown time at 5 seconds
15:03:55pixelmawhich seems to be the default (i.e. same here)
15:03:57pondlifeI had 5 seconds set, but as PaulJam said, it doesn't wait that long after buffering
15:04:03LloreanMine was at the default, but since I use dircache I don't see any reason I shouldn't set it as low as it goes.
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15:06:07pixelmafor me it seems to be 5 seconds from "buffering finished" with virtual led turning "off" until the disk stops spinning
15:08:01pixelmathe build I'm running is a bit old though
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16:03:55JdGordonany volunteers to finally rework batt_bench to not poll the disk?
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16:11:57JdGordonbarrywardell: hey, I found your splash image in the bootloader patch but its not in sync anymore and manaully patching the Makefile didnt seem to work... mind having a look at syncing it when you have some time?
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16:49:15KarlTPBHi I'm Karl
16:49:46*GodEater would never have guessed from the nick
16:50:38KarlTPBI was looking for someone to grant me write permission to wiki
16:50:50GodEaterwhat's your wiki name ?
16:51:14GodEateryou either didn't read the wiki name guidelines, or chose to ignore them
16:51:25GodEaterwe won't grant write permissions to a name like that
16:51:32GodEaterit must be FirstnameLastname
16:52:05KarlTPBAh, I'm sorry
16:52:26GodEaterif you create another user with the right format name
16:52:26KarlTPBShould I create another account or I can edit my username?
16:52:34GodEateryou'll have to create another
16:52:45GodEaterI'll grant it rights
16:53:56KarlTPBOkay it's done... My username is KarlAnderson
16:54:08KarlTPBMy account is activated, by the way
16:54:38GodEater'tis done
16:54:43GodEateryou have permission to edit
16:54:59GodEatergo forth and document :)
16:55:34GodEaterno problem
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17:02:49*linuxstb would have asked what edits he was planning to do...
17:02:49CO-kecan ne1 help me?
17:03:12pixelmalinuxstb: I guess it's a WPS
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17:03:39pixelmaCO-ke: ne1 is not around at the moment (see topic ;) )
17:03:41CO-kei installed rockbox to my ipod nano...n it failed
17:03:42scorche|shCO-ke: i dont think "ne1" is around right now..
17:04:21CO-kene1 = anyone
17:04:22CO-kemy bad
17:04:39scorche|shCO-ke: then please say "anyone...we request that people use real english here ;)
17:04:40pixelmaCO-ke: how did it fail and what generation Nano do you have?
17:05:23CO-keit's the 1st gen nano
17:05:28CO-kescor: sorry :P
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17:05:52CO-keit says fail to extract the files
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17:06:18CO-ken now i cant even use the ipod....except the HD mode
17:07:49CO-keit's like the ipod has no keeps booting the apple logo
17:08:04LambdaCalculus37Did you read the manual?
17:08:16CO-keyes i did
17:08:18scorche|shCO-ke: what are you using to install?
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17:09:14CO-kei used the rockbox utility
17:09:25pondlifeNico_P: ping
17:09:30CO-ken chose the complete installation
17:09:50scorche|shCO-ke: could you try installing the bootloader again and tell us exactly what it says?
17:10:03scorche|shand stop saying "n" i siad...real english here please ;)
17:10:53CO-ke:) to make directory
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17:11:43CO-ke"unable to make directory"
17:12:31LambdaCalculus37What OS are you running?
17:12:38LambdaCalculus37Windows? OS X? Linux?
17:12:52MTeeHello all
17:12:52LambdaCalculus37With administrative rights?
17:13:45MTeeis rockbox's code in C or Cpp ?
17:14:09LambdaCalculus37With a little assembler here and there for some platform-specific bits.
17:14:28scorche|shand optimization in a few places ;) it possible that the ipod is full may have caused this?
17:14:44MTeehow long does it normally take to learn assembler ?
17:14:49scorche|shCO-ke: sure...
17:14:57LambdaCalculus37 Depends on how determined you are. :)
17:15:10MTeewell I
17:15:10scorche|shMTee: for the most part, you dont really need to know assembly
17:15:15GodEateryeah, that's very much a "how long is a piece of string?" question
17:15:22linuxstbMTee: That's like asking how long it takes to learn to speak English...
17:15:28CO-kescor: is there anyway i can fix this?
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17:15:43GodEaterCO-ke: put it in disk mode and delete some files
17:16:29LambdaCalculus37Or if RBUtil isn't working for you, try the manual install method listed in the manual.
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17:17:06MTeeyeah yeah, I know it depends on plenty different things .. I meant as an average .. if I'm really determined, and let's say I'll work on it like full time .. then how long ?
17:17:10CO-kegod: i'm in disk mode...but all the files look weird...and the size of some files are like 4gigs each
17:17:12GodEaterLambdaCalculus37: that won't help if the ipod is full though...
17:17:38LambdaCalculus37Co-ke: Sounds like your filesystem may be corrupted.
17:18:10LambdaCalculus37Run CHKDSK /f on it from the command prompt.
17:18:18CO-kelambda: that's what i thougt too...i can't delete any of the files
17:19:18LambdaCalculus37The drastic measure to take would be restoring your iPod in iTunes, then.
17:19:37GodEaterI'd run the chkdsk /f first...
17:20:13LambdaCalculus37GodEater: That's why I said it's the "drastic measure".
17:20:22CO-kelambda: itunes won't recognize the ipod :(
17:20:30LambdaCalculus37CO-ke: chkdsk /f
17:21:09LambdaCalculus37And tell us what it says.
17:23:17CO-kelambda: can't run... "dismounted the drive?" yes/no?
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17:26:19LambdaCalculus37What *exactly* does it say? "Dismounted the drive?" makes it sound like your PC's confused.
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17:27:21CO-kesorry ...i guess i'm a bit panicking :p
17:27:45CO-keit say the drive was used by another process
17:27:56LambdaCalculus37CO-ke: Quoth Douglas Adams... "DON'T PANIC".
17:28:25LambdaCalculus37Close RBUtil and iTunes, then try again.
17:28:30CO-kewait... i did the check disk using the explorer
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17:28:50CO-keitunes recognized the ipod
17:29:33CO-kei have to restore the ipod before i can use it
17:29:54LambdaCalculus37Restore it, then.
17:30:22LambdaCalculus37It's not the best solution, but it's the only solution when all other possible solutions have been exhausted.
17:31:56GodEaterI still think the chkdsk will work
17:32:03GodEaterprovided all the itunes services are shut down
17:32:10GodEatermeans no music will disappear....
17:32:14CO-kei guess so...i've always wanted to format it anyways
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17:35:37barrywardellJdGordon: Hi. I have done some work on resyncing that patch. I'll try to get something up later today
17:35:51*GodEater wonders why people are so keen on formatting their players
17:36:53linuxstbbarrywardell: Is the intention to commit? I've forgotten all the arguments about boot logos now... ;)
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17:40:58linuxstbbarrywardell: Does your patch require a copy of all the bitmaps in the bootloader directory?
17:41:31barrywardelllinuxstb: eventually I think it would be nice on sansa in particular
17:41:35amiconnIs that boot logo built into the bootloader?
17:41:42barrywardellamiconn: yes
17:41:53amiconnLoading the bootlogo from disk is undesired
17:42:13amiconnLogo within bootloader might be okay, depending on the target's bootloader size constraints
17:42:22linuxstbbarrywardell: How does the transition from bootloader to main binary look?
17:42:23barrywardelllinuxstb: if (when) we replace the sansa bootloader completely, I think a bootlogo would be nice
17:42:26amiconnE.g. on H1x0/H300, it might be impossible
17:43:05barrywardellamiconn: I agree. that's why it's included in the bootloader. I was considering including compression at some stage to allow it to fit bettter too
17:43:09amiconnThat reminds me - I need to work on bitmap struct headers and a universal bitmap drawing function...
17:43:47barrywardelllinuxstb: fairly smooth. I think it looks well apart from the background changing (the bootloader currently sets the background to black)
17:44:21amiconnThen I will probably also add compressed bitmap support for colour targets (the nice lightweight and open UCL compression we already use for archos flash images and self-extracting images)
17:45:30barrywardellamiconn: that would be great to have :)
17:46:36*pondlife wonders if bitmap resize is likely to be included...
17:48:37amiconnThat's completely disjunct from those drawing functions
17:48:49pondlifeThought it might be.
17:50:13linuxstbamiconn: Would that function just handle mono/native, or other depths?
17:50:33amiconnThere are no other depths at the firmware level
17:51:10linuxstbThat's what I'm asking - if you want to change that. I assume the answer is no...
17:51:14amiconnIt will handle mono/native/transparent
17:51:59linuxstbOK. It's just that the word "universal" implied (to me) more...
17:52:46linuxstbbarrywardell: (repeat) Does your patch require a copy of all the bitmaps in the bootloader directory?
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17:53:14amiconnlinuxstb: I see absolutely no reason to allow more than those formats for internal purposes
17:53:38linuxstbamiconn: No, nor do I - I'm not suggested you add them.
17:53:52co-k3anyways...i'm restoring my ipod
17:54:08co-k3thanks you guys for helping me
17:54:15barrywardelllinuxstb: oh, sorry. missed that question. It expects a bitmaps directory structure like there is in apps already
17:54:33amiconnThe "universal" part refers to the fact that there will only be one pair of lcd_bitmap()/lcd_bitmap_part() (right now there are 3 - the mentioned one, plus _mono and _transparent variants)
17:54:45linuxstbSo that needs fixing - assuming we don't want duplicated copies of all the bmps.
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17:55:30barrywardelllinuxstb: yes, probably best to fix it
17:55:34amiconnWe also need another bitmap build fix, if we don't want to inflate the number of folders in svn
17:55:50amiconnRight now we have mono/native for main/remote
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17:56:55amiconnWith that unification, more variants will be added: transparent, and optional compression for native and the native part of transparent
17:57:07amiconnOh, and not to forget greylib-native
17:57:18Davide-NYCjhMikeS: ping
17:57:22co-k3can i sync my rockbox'd ipod using itunes?
17:57:57scorche|shyes, but i am not sure why one would want to..
17:58:12linuxstbco-k3: If you wish, but then you're limited to music types itunes thinks your ipod can play, and you won't be able to use the file browser to view your files (itunes obfuscates the filenames)
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17:58:18LambdaCalculus37Davide-NYC: Hi! :)
17:58:44LambdaCalculus37co-k3: Plus anything purchased off of the iTunes store won't work in Rockbox due to DRM.
17:59:06scorche|shLambdaCalculus37: they have drm-free files
17:59:26co-k3ic...any suggestion for a good, easy to use software?
17:59:52Davide-NYCto anyone with a sansa c2x0 series player: please check to see if you can reproduce this recording problem:
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17:59:54scorche|shco-k3: well, that is getting a bit offtopic here, but i just use a file browser and manage it myself with folders
18:00:12LambdaCalculus37Davide-NYC: Roger that; will do.
18:01:07co-k3scor: that would be the best for me then :)
18:01:16Davide-NYCThe forum user "lee321987" is reporting noise in his recordings with one (and not the other) c2x0 unit. After looking at the waveform I see a small DC offset. I hope this is not hardware revision related.
18:01:56Davide-NYCmeaning that I hope it is not a "hardware bug" in a certain portion of C2x0 series players.
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18:02:18LambdaCalculus37Davide-NYC: Mine's a c240; I just recorded a small MP3. Want me to send it to you?
18:02:43*LambdaCalculus37 will take a look at the MP3 during lunch
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18:06:43barrywardellJdGordon: updated the patch ;)
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18:09:56barrywardelllinuxstb: my updated patch (bootlogo3) reads the bitmaps from the apps dir instead
18:11:52barrywardellJdGordon: one caveat of the current patch. If the bitmap is too big and makes the bootloader bigger than the size of IRAM, it will fail and you'll need to recover somehow.
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19:06:43linuxstbbarrywardell: It feels like a bit of a hack (using apps files in the bootloader), but I think it's good enough. From what amiconn is saying, it sounds like we're going to need to rework the bitmap build system a little anyway.
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20:07:15barrywardelllinuxstb: I agree. Maybe the bitmaps should be moved outside apps/. It should probably wait until amiconn is done
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20:37:56*toffe82 looking for low_light , waiting for the sa9200 commit
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21:23:28robin0800are the rockbox forums down?
21:24:34LambdaCalculus37Yeah, they are.
21:24:41LambdaCalculus37Give them time to come back up.
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21:26:38robin0800LambdaCalculus37, do you own a sansa player?
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21:42:53LambdaCalculus37robin0800: I have a Sansa c240.
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21:48:55amiconnlinuxstb: Problem is that I don't know when I will get to implementing those ideas
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21:50:17amiconnThere is quite a number of more or less important things I want and/or need to do. And while hunting obscure bugs is part of these things, it's often not very motivating, what makes me proceed rather slowly :/
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22:13:23robin0800LambdaCalculus37 snap so do I hav e you
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22:14:47robin0800LambdaCalculus37 snap so do I have you you seen FS #8883 - Add support for third party playlists On the Sansa port
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22:16:10robin0800LambdaCalculus37 the problem is the microsd card
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22:27:43linuxstbrobin0800: Re: FS #8883, I'm not sure why you expect it to work. Windows mounts the two disks (internal and microSD) as two different drives, whereas Rockbox uses a Unix-style system of mounting the card as part of the filesystem of the main disk.
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22:43:54pixelmalinuxstb: I think I saw once that Rockbox played files from the internal memory (of my Ondio though) with a playlist that was made while those files where on a MMC and then cut from there. Wouldn't it need to skip the drive letter in order to make external playlists work at all? Isn't the problem rather that the files on an external memory get the referenced as e.g. <microSD1>/...? Maybe I'm misunderstanding though...
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22:46:21cpbillsjust wanted to say thank you. rockbox rocks.
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22:49:08gevaertsThank you. Have fun with it :)
22:49:25cpbillsand i guess while i'm here; with the sansa e200 series, can you charge via usb to a computer and use rockbox at the same time? i suspect this might have to do w/ usb mode in the original firmware...?
22:49:41robin0800pixelma yes you have to change e.g. k:\ to /<microsd1>\
22:49:49cpbillsgevaerts: i am... it's very cool, and i was able to breathe some life into my 3rd gen ipod as well... no more itunes garbage...
22:50:37gevaertscpbills: If you hold Select while plugging in it will charge while staying in rockbox. At some point we'll probably also have native rockbox usb storage handling, but that's not finished yet
22:52:02cpbillsgevaerts: excellent, thank you... i was looking in the docs for it... is it mentioned in there somewhere?
22:52:09amiconngevaerts: On 3rd gen? That's PP5002...
22:52:16robin0800linuxstb I didn't expect it to work but would very much like it to work
22:52:30gevaertsamiconn: different line. This is e200
22:53:02cpbillsyeah, sorry for the confusion :)
22:53:29*amiconn wonders how much RE it would need to make USB work on 3rd Gen though
22:55:25cpbillswhen creating a playlist from a directory, it doesn't 'recursively' add other playlists, does it? just out of curiousity
22:55:42ChrononIt does if you tell it to
22:55:47gevaertscpbills: I can't find the charge thing in the manual
22:55:58amiconnIt does not add other *playlists*
22:56:01ChrononI misread it
22:56:14cpbillsamiconn: good, thanks :)
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23:06:26hopenglishiPod Video 30Gig. Database loading freezes... Any help? The iPod is blank... reformatted and from scratch.
23:08:24gevaertshopenglish: freezes in what way ?
23:09:42hopenglishit says Database initializing... attempts to load files (several hundred) though, again, the device is blank.
23:10:10hopenglishIf I do a reset and attempt to initialize the device again, it seems another file gets added to the number.
23:15:25gevaertsIt's normal that it "finds" a lot of files. Those are the contents of .rockbox, but they end up being ignored since they are not audio
23:15:43hopenglishso how long do I have to wait?
23:16:32gevaertsI'm not sure...
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23:17:40gevaertsAnyway, you shouldn't hard reset it. Just shutdown and restart is fine
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23:20:17hopenglishI'm going to keep trying.
23:21:23gevaertsI'm not really a database user, so I can't help much more.
23:23:16hopenglishInteresting. lol. I don't need to use the database?
23:23:38hopenglishIt's only going to be used for several files as part of my company...
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23:24:35gevaertsYou can find your files both via the database and via the "Files" menu
23:26:23hopenglishThat makes sense...
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23:27:06hopenglishThis is for my company... So I and the rest of NuVision Technologies thank you...
23:27:42hopenglishIt's so simple, yet... I'm learning a lot of this technology on my own and sometimes I can't get my head around even the basic stuff.
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23:30:23gevaertsI don't know if you have read the manual, but if you haven't I recommend reading it
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23:33:44hopenglishI've read bits and pieces of it... I do so much reading on a computer screen in a day through research and what not, that reading 150 pages straight through would make me blow a gasket. .
23:34:11hopenglishI attempted to look through the database section but I must have missed the alternative of using Files.
23:34:13*gevaerts can understand that
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23:35:56hopenglishOur administrative assistant is pretty eco-conscious so I can't unfortunately print out every 150 pg manual that I need to read... Well, I could but not if I want to stay on her good side... I may start buying my own non-tree-killing paper and using that...
23:36:26scorche|sheek..dont print it out!
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23:38:52hopenglishWhat if I don't kill trees while doing it? Like recycled or tree-free paper?
23:39:04hopenglishI may need to use this program quite a bit for my company...
23:43:34hopenglishwhat'dya say, scorch?
23:44:21hopenglishAnd then I'll go outside and plant a tree.
23:45:26gevaertsI think it depends on what you need to do with it. If you only need the manual to get started, don't print it.
23:46:08gevaertsIf you need to have lots of different people use rockbox pretty in-depth, printing might make sense
23:46:35linuxstbOr just point them to the URL of the online version...
23:47:00*gevaerts thinks that this is getting off-topic
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23:47:48hopenglishmaybe... it's still about RockBox though... Not like we're talking about "text message scandals"...
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23:49:45hopenglishThanks, gevaert, by the way... I'm out for now...
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