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| 00:06:33 | n1s | hmm, there's a patch for x^y in the tracker but i doubt the poster tried it because he used pow() but didn't provide a pow function... |
| 00:09:24 | * | amiconn doesn't understand why calculator.c uses a separate variable for the exponent |
| 00:13:21 | amiconn | n1s: Well, the most important functions are obviously ln() and exp(). Once you have those, you can easily implement log(), 10^x, x^y etc |
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| 00:35:58 | saratoga | hmm i don't understand blackhawk's concerns about the headers he used to compile for the moto cell phones |
| 00:36:21 | saratoga | they appear to have been reverse engineered without access to any non-GPLed code, and are released under GPL license |
| 00:37:13 | linuxstb | Where are blackhawk's concerns? |
| 00:37:32 | saratoga | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14165.msg107383#msg107383 |
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| 00:38:16 | saratoga | although it might be a problem that the build tool needs a binrary lib file off the phone itself |
| 00:38:35 | saratoga | if its actually linked into the rockbox binary |
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| 00:40:01 | linuxstb | So these phones are based on qt/embedded, which isn't open source? |
| 00:40:10 | saratoga | its GPLed |
| 00:40:24 | saratoga | but moto apparently licensed it under proprietary terms and made minor changes |
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| 00:42:19 | saratoga | these changes were then reverse engineered to modify the qt GPL headers to work with the system libraries on the phone |
| 00:42:26 | saratoga | at least thats my understanding |
| 00:43:32 | linuxstb | And you're still interested in this target? ;) |
| 00:44:11 | saratoga | see http://lsb.blogdns.com/ezx-devkit |
| 00:44:25 | saratoga | linuxstb: well, it apparently works, so I'd like to get it merged into SVN |
| 00:45:02 | saratoga | how often does someone give us a patch that adds support for 5 or 6 new targets |
| 00:45:08 | saratoga | even if its a mess |
| 00:45:15 | saratoga | anyway, got to run |
| 00:45:20 | linuxstb | IMO, if we can't distribute the build environment, it's not worth incorporating in SVN. But maybe that's just me... |
| 00:45:34 | saratoga | well the build tools are GPL, so we can do that |
| 00:45:55 | linuxstb | But if it requires "illegal" header files, no-one can build it. |
| 00:46:24 | saratoga | the headers are legal, at least the author says they're reverse engineered and he licenses them under teh GPL |
| 00:46:27 | toffe82 | n1s: for the calculator, you can test is the user font is ok in size, if not use the system font |
| 00:46:35 | saratoga | i can't find anything about a leaked moto sdk, so I'm not sure what thats about |
| 00:49:32 | n1s | toffe82: yes, that's what I do |
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| 00:55:01 | toffe82 | n1s: I missed the line reading the diff ;) |
| 00:55:31 | n1s | heh, np :) |
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| 00:58:17 | toffe82 | n1s: a few month ago I tried to modified it the same way but I had problem when using different font, the result was not always erased completely |
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| 01:04:38 | linuxstb_ | saratoga: The whole thing just seems wrong to me - linking Rockbox to a library with a non-GPL compatible license (the Motorola version of Qte) would seem to violate Rockbox's GPL, regardless of the header situation. |
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| 01:11:09 | n1s | ok, exactly the same results as my ti82, i'm happy :) |
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| 01:47:18 | ordex | hi men |
| 01:47:25 | ordex | any info about divx on rockbox? |
| 01:47:27 | ordex | thanks |
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| 01:48:54 | n1s | ordex: it's not supported by rockbox |
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| 02:02:18 | ordex | :( |
| 02:02:24 | ordex | so noway for divx |
| 02:02:28 | ordex | an external plugin? |
| 02:02:30 | ordex | :/ |
| 02:02:53 | krazykit | not unless you write one. |
| 02:03:56 | ordex | mh :) |
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| 02:29:48 | bleaked | does rockbox support embedded cover art? |
| 02:33:49 | krazykit | no. details about album art can be found on the AlbumArt wiki page |
| 02:33:51 | scorche|sh | not currently |
| 02:37:15 | bleaked | also, i'm sorry if this is documented (just spent 20 min looking on teh wiki) but what is the most painless way to update rockbox without losing my settings or it overwriting my themes/fonts/etc.. |
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| 02:37:22 | bleaked | like is there a nice bash script i can use? |
| 02:38:40 | Nico_P | you can just unzip the new build |
| 02:38:40 | bleaked | ah, it's in the manual, not wiki |
| 02:39:00 | markun | bleaked: I usually do "unzip -o rockbox.zip -d /mnt/usb" and it works fine without overwriting any settings |
| 02:41:44 | bleaked | markun: hrm.. well, after doing that the rockbox bootloader informed me it could not find rockbox.ipod |
| 02:42:02 | scorche|sh | bleaked: then something went wrong.. |
| 02:42:15 | Nico_P | that's a sign of an out of date bootloader |
| 02:42:57 | * | scorche|sh deletes his question of whahich bootloader he is running |
| 02:43:02 | scorche|sh | which even |
| 02:43:32 | bleaked | ok |
| 02:43:45 | bleaked | well, what's the best way to update the bootloader? |
| 02:43:52 | bleaked | a fresh re-install? |
| 02:44:15 | scorche|sh | the manual will tell you |
| 02:44:18 | bleaked | this rockbox install is well over a year and a half old |
| 02:44:33 | scorche|sh | then yes...a new bootloader will do wonders ;) |
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| 02:50:50 | bleaked | ooh..this rbutil is nice.. extra points for qt |
| 02:54:09 | bleaked | however, it keeps saying my configuration is wrong.. the only thing i can see is the TTS engine settings.. but i have no idea what that is? |
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| 03:04:55 | saratoga | linuxstb: (for the logs) i'm pretty sure GPLed software can use non-GPLed OS libraries |
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| 03:25:23 | saratoga | JdGordon: around? |
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| 04:00:20 | JdGordon | saratoga: hey |
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| 04:03:42 | InigoMontoya | hello all, does anyone have any ideas on why the doom plugin crashes when set to rotate 90 degrees on a sansa e200? |
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| 04:04:14 | JdGordon | saratoga: hmm.. ok, ill be back in 30min or so... and then probabl not till sunday my time |
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| 04:07:20 | tkooda_ | is there a feature of rockbox that can prompt to delete files after playing them? |
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| 04:10:13 | saratoga | JdGordon: damn it |
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| 04:26:10 | tkooda | is it possible to log the PATHS to the files that I've played? (e.g. so that I can have a script delete them next time it's mounted via usb?) |
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| 04:29:37 | scorche | you can just make a playlist of the songs |
| 04:29:47 | scorche | m3u is essentially a list of paths |
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| 04:30:06 | tkooda | that won't indicate what I've actually played yet though |
| 04:30:37 | tkooda | scrobber.log appears to store id3 tag info (if it exists), not filename+path |
| 04:31:19 | scorche | just cot off everything after what you have played |
| 04:31:22 | scorche | cut |
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| 04:32:33 | saratoga | you could probably modify the source code to write a log pretty easily |
| 04:32:39 | scorche | you also might want to check out the Gather Runtime Data option for the database |
| 04:32:39 | tkooda | so I can't just play whatever I feel like at the time and have it log it? -I have to pre-emptively add the tracks to a playlist, play from that, and then remember which was the last one I played? |
| 04:32:48 | tkooda | I'll checkout GRD |
| 04:33:21 | tkooda | is there any way to prompt the WPS screen for a Yes/No between tracks? |
| 04:33:23 | scorche | as saratoga said, to implement such a logging would probably be pretty simple |
| 04:33:39 | scorche | why would we have that?...again, you could code something up |
| 04:34:22 | tkooda | I'm going* to try. I'm asking if there's some pre-existing interface for promting the user or something that I would want to leverage (so as to get the code accepted upstream) |
| 04:34:41 | saratoga | thats not going to be accepted |
| 04:34:57 | scorche | there isnt any valid usecase for that option in normal use |
| 04:35:07 | tkooda | a "prompt for delete after playing" option wouldn't be accepted? |
| 04:35:25 | scorche | i wouldnt think so |
| 04:35:45 | scorche | not to say that you shouldnt try...if you do, at least there will be a patch |
| 04:35:48 | tkooda | I play audio from rss feeds and want to indicate what ones I've played (so I can delete them next sync), or, even better, delete them right then |
| 04:36:23 | tkooda | is there another/suggested way to play audio from rss feeds (where you want to delete the audio after hearing it once) |
| 04:36:26 | tkooda | ? |
| 04:36:50 | saratoga | context menu and choosing delete |
| 04:37:00 | scorche | this is embedded programming...everything we add has an impact on our finite resources so things need to be looked at to see if it is really worth adding |
| 04:37:48 | tkooda | scorche, is it feasable that an option would be accepted upstream, but disabled by default at compile time? |
| 04:37:55 | scorche | it is 2 button presses away from deleting, so i do not think adding an option for an auto prompt would be justified |
| 04:38:15 | tkooda | perhaps I'm just unfarmiliar with the delete interface. I'll try again now. |
| 04:38:19 | scorche | that would unnecessarily add complexity to the code |
| 04:38:43 | scorche | if you make a patch, you can just put it on the tracker... |
| 04:38:44 | tkooda | debatable. (I believe the video player is more than I'd like on my device right now) |
| 04:39:20 | scorche | then ifdef it out.. |
| 04:39:49 | scorche | however the video player is a plugin....this does not add to the core (beyond API changes) |
| 04:41:17 | JdGordon | saratoga: im back |
| 04:42:51 | saratoga | JdGordon: do you use googletalk or some other chat program? |
| 04:43:15 | JdGordon | that and msn |
| 04:43:34 | saratoga | my account google address is mgiacomelli, could you add me? |
| 04:44:28 | JdGordon | if I knew how to :p |
| 04:44:41 | JdGordon | i use it in gmail only.. but thats pretty muych always open anwyay |
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| 05:34:48 | Rogue84 | having a problem installing rockbox |
| 05:35:11 | Rogue84 | I get this message when I run ipodpatcher in linux |
| 05:35:15 | Rogue84 | [INFO] Reading partition table from /dev/sda1 |
| 05:35:15 | Rogue84 | [INFO] Sector size is 4096 bytes |
| 05:35:16 | Rogue84 | [ERR] Partition layout is not an ipod |
| 05:35:39 | Rogue84 | any help please thanks |
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| 05:37:30 | tkooda | is it possible to charge a GB F40 (with current rb) via USB while playing? |
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| 05:38:27 | krazykit | tkooda, yes. hold the menu or a button while plugging in (don't recall which; check the manual to be sure) |
| 05:39:12 | krazykit | menu. |
| 05:40:12 | tkooda | excellent! thanks! |
| 05:41:34 | tkooda | the r17303-080502 is beautiful compared to the r15550-071109 I had before, btw. nice work guys |
| 05:42:06 | Rogue84 | Hiya |
| 05:45:33 | krazykit | tkooda, ah, so you're using the new Cabbie v2 theme, then? i agree, it really looks quite nice. |
| 05:46:29 | tkooda | krazykit, I think it kept my ajax theme (most readable technical info, IMHO) |
| 05:46:50 | tkooda | just the menus are more readable (e.g.: color + icons) |
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| 07:04:33 | goffa | hmm... rolo for giga... have to grab that |
| 07:08:00 | cpbills | what's rolo do? :/ |
| 07:08:14 | cpbills | what else can you load with it, i mean |
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| 07:13:58 | goffa | well i would assume you can dual boot original firmware and rockbox. |
| 07:14:12 | goffa | i guess i don't have a reason to do that yet..but good to know i can :) |
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| 07:18:12 | brent113_ | hey people, just curious if anyone knows the future of the sansa e200 usb development, will it ever be completed? |
| 07:18:18 | goffa | hmm... that didn't go so well |
| 07:20:01 | scorche|sh | brent113_: probably |
| 07:20:44 | goffa | grr.. i don't feel like taking this thing apart |
| 07:20:51 | goffa | compiled a new boot loader |
| 07:20:58 | goffa | maybe that was the wrong thing to do |
| 07:21:09 | goffa | either that or the rolo build is hosed |
| 07:22:07 | midgey | jhMikeS: around? |
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| 07:28:04 | goffa | hmm.. anyone remember the key combo for recovery mode on the gigabeat? |
| 07:28:09 | cpbills | goffa: gotcha... not sure if i have rolo, whatever the installer put on there for me, but i can boot to OF quite easily... |
| 07:28:47 | goffa | also.. you are supposed to be able to be able to click on different versions of firmware and boot them |
| 07:29:07 | cpbills | ah, gotcha |
| 07:29:21 | cpbills | try out bleeding edge firmwares, etc... makes sense |
| 07:30:17 | goffa | yep... its great except when you hose your bootloader like i just did :) |
| 07:30:31 | cpbills | urg... woops |
| 07:30:39 | cpbills | godbless recovery |
| 07:30:44 | goffa | yeah |
| 07:31:05 | goffa | its a pain though... |
| 07:31:27 | cpbills | better than having to get a new gigabeat, etc |
| 07:31:48 | goffa | indeed |
| 07:35:08 | midgey | jhMikeS: (for the logs) I think FS #8906 is SDL's fault |
| 07:35:51 | midgey | i loaded up the sim under gdb in os x and linux to see why it froze on the mac |
| 07:36:24 | midgey | it seemed to get stuck in switch_thread, specifically in the case SDL_MUTEX_TIMEDOUT |
| 07:37:48 | midgey | on mac, gdb reports the sim enters the while loop on line 302 and never exits. it just pings back and forth between line 302 and 303 |
| 07:38:18 | midgey | on linux, gdb reports the sim does not enter the while loop and continues on to restore_irq() on line 306 |
| 07:38:41 | midgey | i'm going to try updating sdl to see if the problem goes away. |
| 07:39:11 | midgey | right now i'm on 1.2.12 and i'm trying to upgrade to 1.2.13 (configure seems to be stuck...) |
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| 07:48:34 | goffa | yeah.. bootloader is broke on latest svn for gigabeat |
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| 08:02:00 | MSI | Hi, I had a quick question about using Rockbox on my 30GB 5th Gen iPod Video. Where exactly would I place my music for it to be able to read the database? It seems to have messed up when I tried doing so via my itunes library.I ended up having to restore the ipod. Any help would be wonderful, thank you. |
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| 08:06:50 | brent113_ | has it ever worked with that version of firmware? |
| 08:07:39 | MSI | I don't honestly know, as this is the first time I'm using it. The ipod firmware is v1.3 though |
| 08:08:02 | brent113_ | did you use the rockbox util and it downloaded the firmware for you? |
| 08:08:09 | MSI | yes |
| 08:08:22 | brent113_ | my friend just had a problem with that, the downloader downloads an old version |
| 08:08:34 | brent113_ | you need to manually download the newer one |
| 08:08:40 | MSI | well i just updated it to a new daily build |
| 08:08:53 | MSI | So I guess we will have to try that. |
| 08:08:54 | brent113_ | oh, so what's the problem again? |
| 08:09:51 | MSI | I don't know where or what folder to dump my music back into. I'm not fond of iTunes anyway so is there another way to add my music maybe something as simple as a folder called Music on root? |
| 08:10:34 | brent113_ | 1) don't use itunes, your ipod is now a usb device using a different database and 2) it doesn't matter what folder |
| 08:10:53 | brent113_ | use winamp or something, it doesn't really matter, just not itunes |
| 08:10:54 | MSI | so I could just make a music folder and it would go fine |
| 08:11:05 | brent113_ | you could dump it into root, a music folder, whatever |
| 08:11:10 | MSI | Ok thanks |
| 08:11:12 | brent113_ | i have mine in a folder named songs |
| 08:11:21 | brent113_ | hopefully that helps, i have a sansa |
| 08:11:27 | brent113_ | that's what i'm basing it on |
| 08:11:44 | MSI | I'll dump like 3 songs on and test it |
| 08:11:46 | MSI | ;) |
| 08:11:55 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Why do you need to fake IRAM on the beast at all? |
| 08:11:58 | MSI | I'll get back to you in a minute to let you know if it works out fine |
| 08:13:10 | midgey | jhMikeS: and if it's helpful, i've uploaded the gdb output from both sims (albeit with some differences in sdl, rockbox version etc) |
| 08:13:15 | midgey | http://pastebin.ca/1004658 |
| 08:13:33 | midgey | sdl 1.2.13 made no difference |
| 08:13:45 | amiconn | It should be sufficient to make sure that config.h lines 423..453 define all I*_ATTR macros as empty |
| 08:13:54 | amiconn | ...for the S |
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| 08:15:07 | MSI | can Rockbox not handle MP4a? |
| 08:15:15 | amiconn | And afaics it does that.... |
| 08:15:20 | jhMikeS | amiconn: it's only 16K and works for the time being. I'll evaluate later. |
| 08:15:40 | MSI | as the audio is jumping, and vocals are chimpmunked |
| 08:16:03 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I know that you don't use it. I mean you shouldn't need to fake it, as config.h makes sure no C code will require it |
| 08:16:17 | midgey | jhMikeS: those line numbers from earlier are in thread-sdl.c |
| 08:16:28 | jhMikeS | there's some cases of iram used in asm code |
| 08:17:08 | jhMikeS | right now it's more of a concern to get it playing music since that could happen from the next few minutes to the next weeks depending if I figure out the correct setup |
| 08:17:11 | amiconn | Hmm. In that case I'd rather ifdef the asm code. |
| 08:17:34 | jhMikeS | midgey: I'll have a look |
| 08:18:26 | amiconn | There are a few asm files where that's done, e.g. ata-as-arm.S |
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| 08:19:04 | jhMikeS | midgey: All I'm seeing is "Please Note: All posts are set to expire in 30 days by default now. You can change this in the drop down if you want." |
| 08:20:04 | jhMikeS | ah, clicking "Hide Menu" worked |
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| 08:22:37 | midgey | jhMikeS: i found the problem |
| 08:22:43 | jhMikeS | midgey: why is this about anyway? |
| 08:22:46 | jhMikeS | *what |
| 08:22:55 | midgey | nothing in your code, it's sdl's fault |
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| 08:23:07 | midgey | the simulator locks up in os x |
| 08:23:21 | jhMikeS | what part of sdl? |
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| 08:24:10 | midgey | specifically, SDL_SemWaitTimeout is broken |
| 08:24:26 | jhMikeS | hmmm |
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| 08:24:55 | midgey | seems to affect us when SDL_SemTryWait is called in thread-sdl |
| 08:25:33 | jhMikeS | things don't work too well if that's the case |
| 08:25:54 | midgey | i dont really know how the threading works, but this seems to be the issues |
| 08:25:55 | midgey | http://bugzilla.libsdl.org/show_bug.cgi?id=570 |
| 08:26:27 | midgey | i made that small fix, rebuilt sdl and installed and now the sim is working fine |
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| 08:30:12 | jhMikeS | yeah, I have a 1.2.11 source on hand and that little goof is there. Sem_TryWait is ok however |
| 08:30:23 | jhMikeS | *SDL_SemTryWait |
| 08:31:13 | midgey | so that change should have no effect on the problem? |
| 08:32:21 | jhMikeS | Actually, yes, if I used SDL_SemWaitTimeout to implement sleep and timeout blocks...one moment |
| 08:33:06 | midgey | you did, according to thread_sdl.c |
| 08:33:34 | jhMikeS | I just forgot :). The STATE_BLOCKED_W_TMO:/STATE_SLEEPING: cases. |
| 08:34:26 | midgey | i just thought i'd look into it before i left for a week so i can do some coding on my flight :) |
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| 08:35:10 | Buschel | good morning |
| 08:35:32 | * | Buschel did a runtime test with disabled line out on his 5.5G |
| 08:35:51 | Buschel | seems to give about 15 minutes additional runtime |
| 08:36:35 | Buschel | the line out is driving against 100kOhm from my yesterday's measurments on the dock connector |
| 08:38:03 | Buschel | I would like to add en-/disabling the line out to the accessory power on/off. anyone knows a use case where line out is needed without a accessory connected? |
| 08:38:11 | amiconn | 15 minutes is just measuing uncertainty |
| 08:38:25 | jhMikeS | there's an S/PDIF enable/disable so it makes sense to me to have an option |
| 08:38:46 | Buschel | amiconn: it's from the 90->10% runtime which is quite accurate over several measurements |
| 08:39:44 | amiconn | 100kOhm means ~10uA at 1V eff - that's neglectible |
| 08:40:00 | amiconn | I wouldn't waste an option for that - we already have too many options |
| 08:40:09 | Buschel | amiconn: i don't know what the amplifiers suck though (only when enabled) |
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| 08:40:24 | jhMikeS | what about transistor bias currents? |
| 08:40:38 | amiconn | The s/pdif enable/disable is only present on iriver H1x0, and makes sense there, because the LED sucks several mA |
| 08:40:52 | Buschel | my idea was to add en-/disabling to the already present accessory supply option |
| 08:41:07 | amiconn | The archos recorder also has s/pdif, but electrical, and we keep it always enabled there |
| 08:41:28 | Buschel | like: accessory on -> power supply pin13 + enabling line out. accessory off -> power supply pin13 off + disabling line out |
| 08:42:11 | Buschel | no additional option, as users would need to set both then |
| 08:43:19 | * | amiconn thinks Buschel is overdoing things in his quest to save power |
| 08:44:13 | amiconn | I mean, rockbox exceeds OF battery runtime on quite a number of targets, without using such extreme measures as disabling line out for a few uA |
| 08:44:14 | jhMikeS | nearly 100% of the battery usage must be just from self-discharge :) |
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| 08:46:08 | amiconn | So I think there's still something undiscovered on PP that allows to save a considerable amount of power |
| 08:46:31 | * | Buschel thinks even small steps add up to a significant result |
| 08:46:51 | Buschel | german: "Wer den Pfennig nicht ehrt, ist der Mark nicht wert." :) |
| 08:47:04 | Buschel | would be Cent and Euro now, of course |
| 08:47:34 | linuxstb_ | Buschel: But these are small steps that the Apple firmware doesn't do... |
| 08:47:34 | amiconn | Well, of course small steps add up, but then those small steps shouldn't reduce ease of use |
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| 08:48:28 | amiconn | Right now line out is plug-and-go, and imho that's _the_ advantage of having a line out (over having to use the headphone output as line out, which means having to adjust volume, treble, bass etc to all-linear) |
| 08:49:27 | Buschel | yes, but when connected to the already present setting there is no additional user interaction needed at all |
| 08:49:28 | jhMikeS | Ben Franklin: "A penny saved is a penny earned." :) |
| 08:49:54 | amiconn | Buschel: This accessory power option should go away of course |
| 08:50:15 | amiconn | Accessory should be powered automatically when detected |
| 08:50:18 | linuxstb_ | Buschel: What do you mean? There are lots of simple adapters to access the line-out, which I wouldn't class as accessories. |
| 08:50:58 | amiconn | Btw, could it be that the OF runs the accessory power converter in eco mode for detection, and switches to normal mode when it detects an accessory? |
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| 08:52:24 | * | jhMikeS would like a logic analyzer about now or should carefully go for the oscilloscope. |
| 08:52:49 | Buschel | linuxstb: that was one of my major questions. so, you say there _are_ accessories using line out which are not classed as such? |
| 08:53:24 | * | amiconn doesn't trust battery runtime changes of less than 5%, even if they're determined using the 90%->10% levels |
| 08:53:34 | scorche|sh | Buschel: i use line out on as many devices as i can...i use it to connect to a much higher quality amp then connected to my headphones |
| 08:53:50 | scorche|sh | it is the only way i listen, really |
| 08:54:19 | Buschel | amiconn: good point, but pin13 seems to drive against some kOhm within the iPod itself. ECO-mode would limit this to 5mA, the current now is ~1.5mA −− so below this limitation |
| 08:55:31 | amiconn | Maybe, if you're doing at least 10 runtime tests with a certain setting (preferably on 10 different devices of that target type), and then average the results. |
| 08:55:54 | linuxstb_ | Buschel: I have a simple dock which provides line-out, USB and firewire sockets. I don't think I would class it as an accessory. |
| 08:56:06 | linuxstb_ | I also have a "home-made" line-in/line-out cable. |
| 08:57:56 | Buschel | it is clear that the line out disabling in context of the accessory detec/setting makes no sense if there are such simple solutions availabe in the market |
| 08:58:12 | Buschel | *detect |
| 08:58:25 | amiconn | Buschel: Eco mode would at least make the converter itself consume less. If it's really some pull down resistor in the ipod itself, there must be another way to solve that (i.e. RE...) |
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| 08:59:23 | Buschel | amiconn: that's why I now have some fiddled dock debug adapter with changeable resistor configuration :) |
| 08:59:42 | Buschel | so, gotta get my wife's car to the doctor now :) see you later |
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| 09:02:06 | * | linuxstb_ does the gigabeat F rolo dance |
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| 09:04:44 | n1s | linuxstb_: does the reboot-after-asking-user-when-new-rockbox.gigabeat-detected feature work? |
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| 09:17:41 | linuxstb_ | n1s: Yes, I always get that prompt, it's just that rolo never worked... |
| 09:17:59 | n1s | linuxstb_: I'll close that bug then :) |
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| 09:18:32 | linuxstb_ | I haven't tried it yet, but kkurbjun's commit from a few hours ago says it implements rolo... |
| 09:22:52 | n1s | it _should_ work :) |
| 09:23:26 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Hmm, do you thing it would be useful to split the iram definitions a bit, so that they can be used both in C and asm? |
| 09:24:49 | amiconn | Right now we have something like this: #ifdef (use_it) / #define BLAH_ATTR __attribute__((section(".blah")) / #else / #define BLAH_ATTR / #endif |
| 09:25:41 | amiconn | This could be changed to #ifdef (use_it) / #define BLAH_SECTION .blah / #else / #define BLAH_SECTION .text / #endif |
| 09:26:09 | amiconn | ...and then just #define BLAH_ATTR __attribute__((section(BLAH_SECTION)) |
| 09:26:40 | amiconn | This way you can use BLAH_ATTR in C like before, and use .section BLAH_SECTION in asm |
| 09:29:47 | Monkeytamer | just installed the latest revision on the gigabeat, and did not observe rolo behavior with respect to rebooting upon confirmation of the prompt |
| 09:29:59 | amiconn | The behaviour for C wouldn't be 100% identical to what we have now in case librockbox is built with sectioned compilation (i.e. bootloaders) though. Right now the attributte isn't there at all if iram isn't used, so each element (function, data) marked as using iram gets its own sub-section in the appropriate standard section. With this proposal, these elements would go into the respective generic section, meaning they won't be removed when linki |
| 09:32:55 | amiconn | Shouldn't be an issue though, as ifdefing is needed for the iram case anyway |
| 09:34:30 | Llorean | Monkeytamer: It can't use the fix until *after* you've booted the latest version. |
| 09:34:43 | Llorean | Or rather, until after you've booted a version new enough to have the fixe. |
| 09:34:45 | Llorean | fix |
| 09:34:59 | n1s | meh, my exp isn't very exact... |
| 09:35:00 | Monkeytamer | yeah... I thought that might be the case |
| 09:35:51 | Monkeytamer | any easy way to make it prompt me to reboot? |
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| 09:41:01 | Monkeytamer | oh ok |
| 09:41:13 | Monkeytamer | yes, I can confirm rolo works on the gigabeat |
| 09:41:55 | Monkeytamer | I just checked by changing a setting in the gigabeat config file, thus promping a reboot, which works just fine |
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| 09:44:52 | homielowe | Anyone recently have any problems with playing a cue-sheet? I have the cue-sheet and the music file in the same folder, I can select the cue-sheet, but when prompted to select a track, it won't play and just shows the track-list. |
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| 09:48:26 | n1s | hmm, the calculation is actually correct but it prints something else!? |
| 09:51:04 | linuxstb_ | homielowe: You play the music file, not the cuesheet. You also need to enable cuesheet support in the settings. |
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| 13:42:27 | B4gder | seems to be problems with a disk/filesystem on the server |
| 13:43:15 | B4gder | and of course these things only happen when the office is closed... |
| 13:45:00 | pixelma | that's what I thought too |
| 13:45:22 | pixelma | following Murphy's law I guess |
| 13:45:33 | B4gder | no doubt about that! |
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| 13:58:48 | das-perceptron | Hi there. Somebody knows how to contact Jens Arnold? Many people have an issue with rockbox and the iRiver H120 remote control display. Jens already tried to fix it (http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=17006) and offered to slow down the clock even more if there are problems, and apparently, there are ļ»æ(see ļ»æhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8840) |
| 13:59:47 | bluebrother | sure ... just look for amiconn |
| 13:59:56 | bluebrother | (the IrcNicks page would have told you that ;-) |
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| 14:01:35 | das-perceptron | Thanks - I'm not an IRC expert, but it seems that he is currently available ;-) |
| 14:02:20 | BigBambi | Well his client is connected |
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| 14:02:30 | BigBambi | Whether he is here or not is another thing |
| 14:07:01 | das-perceptron | Sure - but at least I can try to contact him this way. |
| 14:08:42 | BigBambi | yep |
| 14:08:55 | BigBambi | 'tis the best way |
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| 14:18:14 | sansas | Hello |
| 14:18:20 | sansas | i have a question about rockbox |
| 14:18:33 | BigBambi | Then I advise asking it |
| 14:18:37 | sansas | is it risky for my sansa to install it ? |
| 14:18:45 | BigBambi | Best thing for questions usually |
| 14:18:49 | sansas | may it seriously damage it ? |
| 14:18:49 | BigBambi | No |
| 14:18:52 | BigBambi | no |
| 14:19:02 | sansas | oh cool |
| 14:19:13 | bluebrother | well, if you're smart enough you can seriously damage the player. |
| 14:19:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | The only thing that can damage your Sansa is a sledgehammer. :) |
| 14:19:27 | bluebrother | but if you follow the instructions it's like 120% safe |
| 14:19:27 | sansas | rockbox has a install/uninstall utility |
| 14:19:27 | BigBambi | Sansa's are next to impossible to permamently damage if you follow the instructions |
| 14:19:30 | sansas | ? |
| 14:19:38 | bluebrother | sansas: read the website? |
| 14:19:44 | sansas | most of it |
| 14:19:48 | bluebrother | or even the manual? It's mentioned there. |
| 14:19:52 | BigBambi | It is possible to use a manufactuing mode to cock up the firmware |
| 14:20:03 | sansas | ok |
| 14:20:05 | BigBambi | But you have to be trying really quite hard |
| 14:20:12 | sansas | what about battery life |
| 14:20:14 | sansas | ? |
| 14:20:18 | BigBambi | Follow the instructions and there are no problems at all |
| 14:20:20 | bluebrother | the battery lives. Yes. |
| 14:20:24 | sansas | lol |
| 14:20:31 | BigBambi | I get more battery from Rockbox on the e260 than the OF |
| 14:20:42 | BigBambi | i.e. it lasts longer |
| 14:20:43 | bluebrother | be careful, it might pick on you if you don't respect the battery! |
| 14:20:51 | sansas | i mean in normal use video/mp3 is it last the same ? |
| 14:21:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | Roughly the same. |
| 14:21:05 | BigBambi | I refer you to my answer three lines above |
| 14:21:15 | sansas | ok.. thats cool |
| 14:21:37 | * | bluebrother points to the FAQ |
| 14:21:40 | sansas | so if thats so good. and battery life are fine. why does sandisk doesn't install it herself ? |
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| 14:22:15 | * | gevaerts suggests to ask sandisk |
| 14:22:29 | * | BigBambi doesn't know how to anszer that |
| 14:22:30 | * | sansas is doing it right now |
| 14:22:34 | BigBambi | *answer |
| 14:22:35 | * | LambdaCalculus37 wonders... that cute Japanese chick who promotes Sansas? |
| 14:22:44 | sansas | lol |
| 14:23:02 | sansas | and is there any guitar tuning app for it ? |
| 14:23:09 | BigBambi | There is a patch |
| 14:23:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | Look in Flyspray. |
| 14:23:22 | sansas | where ? |
| 14:23:22 | BigBambi | But I'm not sure it works on the Sansa's yet |
| 14:23:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | You'll have to roll your own build for it. |
| 14:23:37 | BigBambi | The patch link from the left side of www.rockbox.org |
| 14:23:40 | bluebrother | BigBambi: maybe rather call it "diff"? ;-) |
| 14:24:04 | bluebrother | sansas: patch == source diff. I.e. you need to compile if you want to use it. |
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| 14:24:09 | BigBambi | bluebrother: Yes, probably clearer for people used to windows patches |
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| 14:25:06 | bluebrother | sansas: who about simply trying it? Then you can judge yourself. You already got told that it's not dangerous |
| 14:25:27 | sansas | i didn't got my e200 yet |
| 14:25:31 | sansas | ... working on it |
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| 14:25:43 | sansas | btw, sandisk tech support are great .. |
| 14:25:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | sansas: You don't have your Sansa yet? |
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| 14:26:02 | BigBambi | sansas: Be aware if it is new it i slikely to be a v2, which Rockbox does not work on |
| 14:26:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | Wait wait... did you just order it? |
| 14:26:42 | sansas | my m200 stuck and they offer to replace it to a new m200.. i guess i could some cash and get an e200 |
| 14:26:56 | BigBambi | A new e200 is very unlikely to work |
| 14:27:07 | BigBambi | and no m200s work at the moment |
| 14:27:16 | sansas | ok |
| 14:27:26 | sansas | is it possible to get v1 from sandsik ? |
| 14:27:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | Not likely. |
| 14:27:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | You may have better luck on eBay. |
| 14:27:39 | BigBambi | sansas: Don't know |
| 14:27:46 | sansas | dam |
| 14:27:47 | BigBambi | There are some refurbs still around, or ebay |
| 14:27:59 | sansas | why does v2 isn't working ? |
| 14:28:08 | BigBambi | Completely new hardware |
| 14:28:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | New hardware inside. |
| 14:28:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | Meaning new port needs to be written. |
| 14:28:24 | sansas | so i guess ur working on it ? |
| 14:28:29 | BigBambi | Not really |
| 14:28:34 | BigBambi | Interested owners do ports |
| 14:28:44 | sansas | what do u mean ? |
| 14:28:53 | BigBambi | please use real words |
| 14:29:01 | BigBambi | There is no Rockbox team that does ports |
| 14:29:02 | | Quit perplexity ("Lying alone in my room every night, it's you that I see when I turn out the light...") |
| 14:29:03 | sansas | what do you mean ? |
| 14:29:13 | BigBambi | Owners of a device that would like Rockbox do the work |
| 14:29:24 | sansas | ports is checking which button is doing what ? |
| 14:29:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | No. |
| 14:29:41 | BigBambi | It is working out the hardware, writing drivers for it etc |
| 14:29:44 | bertrik_ | that's a tiny part of it :P |
| 14:29:52 | BigBambi | Rockbox is a complete firmware replacement |
| 14:30:03 | BigBambi | It is the operating system, it runs the hardware |
| 14:30:04 | sansas | oh .. and there is no crew doing that ? |
| 14:30:14 | bluebrother | no |
| 14:30:16 | BigBambi | It isn't a program that installs on top of the OS |
| 14:30:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | It's an OS in itself, if you will. |
| 14:30:26 | BigBambi | sansas: As I say, interested owners do it |
| 14:30:36 | bluebrother | porting is hard work... only interested people do it. |
| 14:30:53 | linuxstb_ | BigBambi: The m200 (v1) is progressing. It crashes shortly after displaying the Rockbox logo... |
| 14:31:08 | sansas | im not in the level of writing my own drivers |
| 14:31:09 | BigBambi | linuxstb_: cool (you know what I mean) |
| 14:31:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | sansas: For example... I'm working to start a port for the Dell DJ, but it's hard work. |
| 14:31:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'm not the best programmer out there, but I'm learning. |
| 14:31:47 | * | LambdaCalculus37 still needs another Dell DJ to run code on |
| 14:31:52 | sansas | rockbox for the m200 |
| 14:31:57 | linuxstb_ | BigBambi: For some reason, Rockbox expects the ata driver to work... (it's not implemented yet) |
| 14:31:59 | sansas | isn't that a waste of time ? |
| 14:32:07 | BigBambi | sansas: why? |
| 14:32:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | It's not a waste. |
| 14:32:17 | BigBambi | linuxstb_: That just sounds unreasonable |
| 14:32:19 | linuxstb_ | LambdaCalculus37: Thanks ;) |
| 14:32:38 | sansas | i don't know... it can't play video and such |
| 14:32:44 | sansas | its just playing songs.. |
| 14:32:46 | BigBambi | It can with Rockbox |
| 14:32:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | So what? |
| 14:32:59 | BigBambi | sansas: Rockbox is a *complete* replacement |
| 14:33:00 | bluebrother | why shouldn't it play videos? Even the old archos can. |
| 14:33:06 | sansas | m200 is monochromatic color |
| 14:33:12 | BigBambi | The abilities of the OF is irrelevent |
| 14:33:16 | bluebrother | so what? The archos ones are too |
| 14:33:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | sanas: Your point being? |
| 14:33:19 | BigBambi | sansas: We have a grayscal library |
| 14:33:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | We can make it work. |
| 14:33:26 | bluebrother | my m:robe 100 can play videos. It's b/w only. |
| 14:33:34 | bluebrother | or rather black and red ;-) |
| 14:33:39 | linuxstb_ | sansas: You may be surprised to know that most people buy audio players to listen to audio... |
| 14:33:42 | BigBambi | sansas: I suggest reading up about Rockbox a bit |
| 14:33:56 | * | bluebrother points to the WhyRockbox wiki page |
| 14:33:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox |
| 14:33:56 | BigBambi | sansas: But even without video, Rockbox is all about audio |
| 14:33:59 | sansas | i guess your right guys |
| 14:34:22 | BigBambi | The audio capabilities of Rockbox are *much* superior to any OF out there |
| 14:34:26 | sansas | rockbox site was down earlier.. server problems ? |
| 14:34:32 | BigBambi | Sort of |
| 14:34:35 | BigBambi | It is up again |
| 14:34:41 | sansas | yeah i saw it |
| 14:34:50 | * | LambdaCalculus37 cheers for Vorbis playback on his DAPs |
| 14:35:15 | sansas | so.. v2 isn't gonna work soon |
| 14:35:27 | BigBambi | Who knows? |
| 14:35:32 | sansas | :( damn i wanted to play pokemon again :( |
| 14:35:34 | bluebrother | well, maybe some day. |
| 14:35:36 | BigBambi | It is impossible to estimate |
| 14:35:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | sansas: Buy a Game Boy. |
| 14:35:51 | sansas | too dam big |
| 14:35:58 | sansas | no money :O |
| 14:36:34 | * | LambdaCalculus37 dares to suggest maybe a part-time job? |
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| 14:36:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | But I digress. |
| 14:36:56 | | Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) |
| 14:37:12 | sansas | job ? thats for loosers :P |
| 14:37:30 | sansas | im a student.. no spare time |
| 14:37:42 | * | BigBambi steers us back on topic |
| 14:37:56 | bluebrother | sansas: well, then you also won't have time playing pokemon. Problem solved. |
| 14:38:10 | sansas | cheers! |
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| 14:38:57 | sansas | how can i know if a version is v2 or v1 ? |
| 14:39:09 | BigBambi | The original firmware version is the best way |
| 14:39:27 | BigBambi | 1.xxx is v1, 3.xxx is v2 |
| 14:39:28 | sansas | you mean it says ? |
| 14:39:39 | sansas | very reasonable .. |
| 14:39:54 | sansas | 3.xxx is v2... thats very smart |
| 14:40:38 | sansas | ok.. nvm.. ill keed studying ... good luck guys ur doing great work on the rockbox |
| 14:41:01 | sansas | make a version for v2 for me |
| 14:41:02 | sansas | bye bye |
| 14:41:16 | linuxstb | Well, now you've asked... |
| 14:41:31 | BigBambi | Yeah, we'll get right on that /sarcasm |
| 14:41:40 | BigBambi | :P |
| 14:41:46 | sansas | -_-' i tried.. |
| 14:41:57 | sansas | you can't blame me for that |
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| 16:55:59 | hopenglish | iPod Video 30gig ~ I'm looking to place video files on the device and restrict users from removing the files... Any ideas? |
| 16:56:18 | hopenglish | 5.5 Gen iPod Vid. |
| 16:57:03 | gevaerts | "removing" in what way ? |
| 16:57:25 | hopenglish | As in connecting the device to a computer and downloading the file onto the computer... |
| 16:57:41 | gevaerts | How advanced are your users ? |
| 16:58:43 | hopenglish | They're medical professionals... Not exactly IT-class... |
| 16:58:55 | * | gevaerts tries something |
| 16:59:35 | hopenglish | I've considered hiding the files... |
| 16:59:49 | gevaerts | That would help to some extent |
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| 17:00:12 | linuxstb | hopenglish: Are you talking about ipods running Rockbox, or ipods running the Apple firmware? |
| 17:00:29 | hopenglish | with the files hidden) |
| 17:00:40 | hopenglish | scratch my last comment. |
| 17:01:08 | hopenglish | The files will be on the RockBox side. |
| 17:03:06 | hopenglish | The users will have no reason to access the system folders so I will probably hide them as well. |
| 17:04:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | The .rockbox folder is already hidden by default. |
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| 17:05:41 | hopenglish | Ah... That's right. |
| 17:06:46 | * | linuxstb resists the urge to say that it doesn't take a brain surgeon to find hidden files - especially if they're browsing them in Rockbox's file browser. |
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| 17:07:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: Except for the file view being set to "All", IIRC Rockbox doesn't show hidden files and folders in its file view. |
| 17:07:40 | hopenglish | Ironic. Nice... What file browser are you talking about though? On the device itself? |
| 17:07:45 | gevaerts | linuxstb: if it would take a brain surgeaon this would be useless :) |
| 17:08:40 | linuxstb | hopenglish: Yes, if you're talking about files "on the rockbox side", then the user uses the file browser to play them. |
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| 17:10:21 | hopenglish | If the user has the time and savvy to go to Settings-General View-File View-Show Files-All ... I may be in trouble. |
| 17:10:28 | hopenglish | hehe. |
| 17:10:42 | n1s | create a hidden partition, enable multivolume support, hack the file browser to not show it and hack mpegplayer to dispaly a list and start as autorock? |
| 17:11:06 | n1s | or simply glue the usb port :) |
| 17:11:46 | krazykit | but then you can't charge :P |
| 17:11:54 | hopenglish | I actually haven't been told how the users will get the video file... Podcast possibly? |
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| 17:12:42 | hopenglish | So how do you disable/hack the file browser to not show the hidden partition? |
| 17:12:48 | hopenglish | n1s. |
| 17:13:13 | gevaerts | hopenglish: one thing you could do is set the partition type to "empty" (type 0). Nothing will change on the rockbox side, but windows won't be able to read the disk any more |
| 17:14:19 | hopenglish | gevaerts: for this to work, the file would have to be on the device, prior to my setting the partition to empty, correct? |
| 17:15:03 | gevaerts | hopenglish: depends. From linux you can still access it the normal way |
| 17:15:50 | n1s | hopenglish: I don't know off hand but shouldn't be too hard |
| 17:16:14 | gevaerts | Of course they may decide that the ipod is broken somehow and run itunes restore on it. I don't know what will happen then |
| 17:18:30 | hopenglish | They would have a fully-functional iPod Video for their own personal use, I believe. |
| 17:18:48 | hopenglish | Sans RockBox and sans the video file I want them to view. |
| 17:19:13 | cpbills | face it, your videos are gonna end up on youtube... |
| 17:19:25 | cpbills | beat them to the punch and post them first |
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| 17:19:41 | gevaerts | Of course (/me hopes to not be kicked for this) you could go the ipodlinux way and put the videos on an ext2 partition... |
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| 17:20:19 | cpbills | that'd work |
| 17:20:25 | hopenglish | Would I still be able to use RockBox? |
| 17:20:26 | cpbills | assuming ipodlinux works |
| 17:21:02 | * | gevaerts thinks that all this is somewhat off-topic and should go to #rockbox-community |
| 17:22:03 | hopenglish | How does one access that channel using the Web Client? |
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| 17:22:18 | gevaerts | /join #rockbox-community |
| 17:23:05 | hopenglish | Thanks... |
| 17:23:38 | hopenglish | n1s: I looked into the documentation provided on RockBox.org and cannot seem to find information on AutoRock. |
| 17:25:25 | n1s | hopenglish: see apps/main.c:572 if it is defined a plugin named /.rockbox/rocks/apps/autorock.rock will be started automatically on startup |
| 17:25:56 | n1s | you can of course use it for any plugin, but mpegplayer is a viewer so it would need some minor modifications too |
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| 17:38:21 | hopenglish | n1s: apps/main.c:572? Please explain. |
| 17:39:44 | n1s | on line 572 you see "#ifdef AUTOROCK" and inside that block is everything that happens when AUTOROCK is defined |
| 17:42:49 | hopenglish | n1s: I'm still not clear where I can find this on line 572 and "#ifdef AUTOROCK". |
| 17:43:15 | bluebrother | hopenglish: if you grab the sources you'll find the mentioned path |
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| 17:47:09 | hopenglish | I think what you all are directing me toward is the source ?code? that would display where AUTOROCK is in effect, I'm asking "What is AutoRock?". If AUTOROCK is defined for a certain file, will that file automatically begin once the device is powered up? |
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| 17:48:18 | n1s | it's easier to read those 3 lines of code that trying to explain what it does. |
| 17:48:22 | bluebrother | it's a plugin that will automatically be started once Rockbox starts. |
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| 17:53:02 | hopenglish | Ok, then help me find the source code, please... This is all unfamiliar territory for me. |
| 17:54:02 | bluebrother | the easiest way is to use svn −− see the UsingSVN wiki page. Or grab the archive from the download page. |
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| 17:59:00 | hopenglish | Thanks... I'll look into this... After lunch. |
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| 18:21:53 | ^Parrot^ | I must be doing smething wrong here... every day I add a few songs to my ipod but they don't show up. how does rockbox need to be set up so that every time it starts, it check sto see if I have added new songs? I don't use playlists. I just randomly play songs, using the "next" button if I need to. |
| 18:22:28 | ^Parrot^ | kind of like in a simple quickstart way |
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| 18:23:21 | n1s | ^Parrot^: are you using the database or have you just shuffled all your songs from the menu/file browser? |
| 18:24:16 | ^Parrot^ | I have tried to understand using the db. I use mediamonkey to move the songs over then I expect to be able to disconnect my ipod, boot it up and press play |
| 18:24:37 | ^Parrot^ | I told it to autoupdate the db |
| 18:25:06 | ^Parrot^ | but songs I guess don't automatically get added to the master playlist when they are added to the device |
| 18:25:17 | n1s | exactly |
| 18:26:03 | ^Parrot^ | so... how do update the master playlist? isn't THAT automatic? (I am not even sure what the DB is used for) |
| 18:26:11 | bluebrother | no. |
| 18:26:31 | bluebrother | you need to recreate the playlist. |
| 18:26:32 | ^Parrot^ | odd that you have to tell rb that you added new songs... |
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| 18:26:42 | ^Parrot^ | I must be doing that wrong |
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| 18:26:51 | n1s | ^Parrot^: you have to insert the tracks in the playlist somehow |
| 18:26:55 | bluebrother | no, you don't need to tell it that you have new songs. It's just that Rockbox is playlist based. |
| 18:27:05 | bluebrother | and a playlist doesn't simply "just" change. |
| 18:27:11 | ^Parrot^ | what are the steps for doing recreating the playlist? |
| 18:27:22 | bluebrother | it would be rather illogical if the playlist would do things on its own. |
| 18:27:30 | bluebrother | see the manual. |
| 18:27:57 | faemir | RTFM ftw. |
| 18:27:57 | ^Parrot^ | If there was a master playlist, then autoadd would make sense. I could just playfrom the master playlist. |
| 18:28:10 | faemir | ^Parrot^: you mean you want a global shuffle? |
| 18:28:16 | ^Parrot^ | Yes |
| 18:28:22 | ^Parrot^ | good way to describe it |
| 18:28:25 | faemir | Okay. |
| 18:28:40 | linuxstb | Doesn't the database have that option? |
| 18:28:56 | faemir | I dunno, I like choosing what I listen to, and it's whole albums :P |
| 18:29:04 | * | linuxstb too |
| 18:29:13 | ^Parrot^ | don't know... the verbage is confusing at times |
| 18:29:21 | ^Parrot^ | << not a linux type of thinker |
| 18:29:31 | faemir | On the official firmware there is a function, i'm sure it's possible. |
| 18:29:48 | ^Parrot^ | that's all I am using |
| 18:29:51 | linuxstb | ^Parrot^: Rockbox has two ways to play your music - a file browser where you select files/folders to play, or a database browser which is similar to how Apple's firmware works. |
| 18:29:52 | ^Parrot^ | no hacked firmware |
| 18:30:33 | ^Parrot^ | linux: exept apple's fw lets you select shuffle/random and when you press play it plays everyting |
| 18:30:33 | faemir | I'll have a look on my ipod once it's finished updating |
| 18:30:36 | linuxstb | (it creates a database of all the music on your player, based on artist/album/track name/genre/year etc) |
| 18:31:06 | faemir | ^Parrot^: hold the menu button and you get shuffle / random settings... |
| 18:31:10 | ^Parrot^ | but it doesn't create a playlist since it doesn't require one to play songs.. |
| 18:31:24 | ^Parrot^ | wait 1: booting ipod RB |
| 18:31:28 | linuxstb | ^Parrot^: Have you setup the database as described in the Rockbox manual? Especially the auto-updating feature? |
| 18:31:31 | ^Parrot^ | main menu |
| 18:31:32 | bluebrother | ^Parrot^: we don't care much about how the Apple firmware works ... |
| 18:31:41 | * | faemir high-fives bluebrother. |
| 18:31:43 | ^Parrot^ | Linux: I think I did |
| 18:31:59 | faemir | But still, I can see why you would want a global shuffle playlist if that's the kind of listener you are. |
| 18:32:09 | linuxstb | Then (if I'm remembering correctly), you should be able to browse to a list of all your tracks, and select the "<random>" option at the top. |
| 18:32:41 | faemir | I'll check now... |
| 18:32:53 | ^Parrot^ | linux: from the beginning. I have the main menu. go to settings? |
| 18:32:58 | faemir | I'm glad that rockbox boots much faster than the original firmware. |
| 18:33:13 | linuxstb | ^Parrot^: I don't know the details, as I don't use the database. But the manual describes the process. |
| 18:33:19 | faemir | dude it's easy to do |
| 18:33:32 | faemir | here is step by step: database > artist > all tracks |
| 18:33:32 | ^Parrot^ | loading up the manual again... |
| 18:33:45 | faemir | then just have shuffle and or random enabled... |
| 18:34:07 | ^Parrot^ | it then says context menu: playlist |
| 18:34:13 | Slasheri | or easier: database > artist (hold select) and choose insert shuffled |
| 18:34:41 | ^Parrot^ | ok |
| 18:34:47 | ^Parrot^ | counting down as to files found |
| 18:35:21 | faemir | Slasheri: but that way needs to build it |
| 18:35:50 | faemir | seriously, database > artist > all tracks all as clicks, not holding down. |
| 18:36:02 | ^Parrot^ | seems to have workede |
| 18:36:10 | ^Parrot^ | all 2300+ songs showing up |
| 18:36:12 | ^Parrot^ | thanks |
| 18:36:21 | faemir | what size ipod out of interest? |
| 18:36:26 | ^Parrot^ | 30gb |
| 18:36:31 | faemir | ah, same |
| 18:36:32 | faemir | colour? |
| 18:36:37 | ^Parrot^ | black |
| 18:36:52 | ^Parrot^ | HD died and apple replaced it for $30 |
| 18:37:10 | ^Parrot^ | where do you all keep your bmps for album covers? |
| 18:37:33 | * | gevaerts keeps them in /dev/null |
| 18:37:40 | ^Parrot^ | lol |
| 18:38:02 | faemir | haha |
| 18:38:13 | faemir | mine are all in the individual folders |
| 18:38:17 | faemir | called cover.xxx |
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| 18:39:26 | ^Parrot^ | I was reading the instructions and thought they should be in the album folders named <album>.bmp I was going to size them all as 176x176 |
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| 18:40:27 | faemir | why that size? |
| 18:40:40 | faemir | and why <album>? :P |
| 18:40:47 | faemir | seems so much simpler as cover |
| 18:41:52 | ^Parrot^ | so I know what the album name actually is if the files get misplaced |
| 18:42:04 | ^Parrot^ | 176 is the largest size any theme uses |
| 18:42:08 | ^Parrot^ | IIRC |
| 18:42:37 | faemir | You can normally tell what it is by looking at the cover =/ |
| 18:43:05 | ^Parrot^ | when yoiu get to be my age, you need it big :) and my youngsheimers doesn't help |
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| 18:45:48 | ^Parrot^ | well... back later with more questions.. |
| 18:45:50 | ^Parrot^ | thanks |
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| 20:27:31 | fml | n1s: hello. Care to have a look at FS #8953? |
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| 20:36:44 | faemir | Can someone tell me if there is a way to download album art for all my albums, and have them in the correct folder? |
| 20:38:02 | bluebrother | faemir: use a tool? |
| 20:38:29 | bluebrother | I use the copycover script for amarok to spread the files. I just don't sync the images to my player ;-) |
| 20:39:29 | faemir | bluebrother: link to the script? |
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| 20:39:46 | faemir | I presume that takes the album art that it has presumably cached somewhere to where the music is located. |
| 20:40:04 | bluebrother | I installed it through the extensions menu of amarok. No idea about the original location |
| 20:40:23 | bluebrother | yes. amarok stores the album art in a database in its settings folder. |
| 20:41:43 | faemir | bluebrother: care to send me that script somehow? i can't find it in get new stuff thing. |
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| 20:45:31 | faemir | scrap that, got it |
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| 20:51:38 | fml | BTW: has anybody seen the internals of the new iriver e100? |
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| 21:00:44 | linuxstb | fml: Seems DAP manufacturers are running out of names - Sansa have an e100 as well. Plus both iaudio and meizu have an M3... |
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| 21:06:47 | fml | linuxstb: he-he. They all try to make profit of each other's success :-) |
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| 21:07:54 | linuxstb | But let me guess, the e100 is a flash-based audio/video player? |
| 21:08:03 | fml | But the opinions about e100 are not so good. Which only confirms the trend: DAPs get worse as time passes. |
| 21:08:40 | fml | linuxstb: I think yes. Are HD players still made at all? |
| 21:09:00 | linuxstb | Not many, apart from the ipod Classic. |
| 21:11:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | Or the Archos PMPs. |
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| 21:12:20 | fml | When adding a new patch, there is the category 'applications.' But it's not a plugin form the 'application' category, right? |
| 21:12:44 | * | linuxstb commits his tcc77x work, including m200 (v1) support |
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| 21:16:13 | fml | The CREDITS file contains the name 'Matthew P. OReilly' Is that the right spelling? |
| 21:18:33 | | Nick blo0dy is now known as chainsaw (i=chainsaw@i.will.tell.u.some.hotstories.de) |
| 21:19:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: Nice! |
| 21:19:15 | barrywardell | it should probably be O'Reilly |
| 21:19:20 | * | LambdaCalculus37 hands linuxstb a beer |
| 21:19:35 | linuxstb | LambdaCalculus37: Thanks, but don't distract me... |
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| 21:21:30 | faemir | fml: I would be fine if all mp3 players were flash - that is if they at the very least 30gb, preferably more :P |
| 21:21:45 | * | LambdaCalculus37 goes to update the SansaM200Port page in the wiki to reflect the progress being made |
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| 21:23:29 | * | amiconn will soon have a flash based rockbox target with 32GB :) |
| 21:25:07 | fml | barrywardell: that's what I thought |
| 21:26:07 | fml | amiconn: hehe, reversing your phrase: we now have a rockbox based flash(light) :-) |
| 21:26:42 | fml | wow, nimbus19 lacks quite a few accented glyphs! |
| 21:27:23 | | Nick chainsaw is now known as blo0dy (i=chainsaw@i.will.tell.u.some.hotstories.de) |
| 21:29:00 | fml | blo0dy: you've used a chainsaw and now you'r bloody? |
| 21:29:57 | blo0dy | yeah something like that =) |
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| 21:30:24 | blo0dy | its the german chainsaw massacre |
| 21:30:26 | blo0dy | :) |
| 21:31:02 | * | LambdaCalculus37 reminds blo0dy to keep it on-topic, and points to the topic |
| 21:31:34 | blo0dy | btw is anyone online that is working on the sansa v2 port ? |
| 21:31:42 | blo0dy | i wanna help but i hate3 posting on forums |
| 21:32:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | No one is working on any Sansa v2 ports. |
| 21:32:28 | blo0dy | e200v2 |
| 21:32:32 | blo0dy | yes they are |
| 21:32:40 | desowin | who? |
| 21:32:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes, who? |
| 21:32:48 | blo0dy | its in the new port forum |
| 21:32:49 | blo0dy | and |
| 21:32:52 | blo0dy | on the tracker |
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| 21:33:02 | blo0dy | or port wish |
| 21:33:41 | blo0dy | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.0 |
| 21:33:44 | bertrik | I was under the impression that the stumbling point was that a recovery mode was not found yet |
| 21:34:07 | blo0dy | hmm ill find if i have to drive down to austria and bang on their dooor |
| 21:34:16 | blo0dy | it has to have one |
| 21:34:46 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:34:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | Don't forget your pen and bagfuls of money when you go to Austria. :) |
| 21:34:50 | blo0dy | although i must say im a oraidiot |
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| 21:34:57 | blo0dy | sry |
| 21:34:58 | blo0dy | wrong chat |
| 21:35:27 | blo0dy | its only 100km away |
| 21:35:31 | blo0dy | if that |
| 21:36:30 | desowin | banging on someones door is unlikely to get technical documentation |
| 21:36:36 | blo0dy | true |
| 21:36:40 | desowin | robbing would be different ;) |
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| 21:37:20 | bertrik | I just compiled with -Wmissing-prototypes and get quite a lot of warnings. I wonder if they might be things that can either be stubbed (#if 0-ed) or made static. |
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| 21:38:04 | blo0dy | I dunno i downloaded a bunch of misinformation on the arm chip |
| 21:38:05 | bertrik | (or made more strict/safe by #including the proper header file) |
| 21:38:15 | blo0dy | gonna upload it to my site see if it helps |
| 21:38:44 | fml | blo0dy, desowin: now I understand the purpose of the chainsaw... (/me goes in the corner) |
| 21:39:34 | amiconn | bertrik: Functions residing in IRAM must not be static on arm, even if they're only referenced in the same source file, due to a gcc bug |
| 21:39:45 | desowin | conspiracy theories are better to be held in #rockbox-community |
| 21:40:18 | blo0dy | lol =) |
| 21:40:51 | amiconn | That's what this weird-looking STATICIRAM macro is for - it resolves to 'static ICODE_ATTR' for coldfire, but to just 'ICOD_ATTR' for arm (and to just 'static' if IRAM isn't used) |
| 21:41:35 | bertrik | amiconn: ah ok, that explains a lot, but I'll have a look at those warnings nevertheless |
| 21:42:21 | amiconn | The problem is that gcc refuses to make a long call to a static function, even if that static function has a section attribute. Linking then breaks... |
| 21:42:52 | amiconn | This actually applies to only a very few functions in rockbox (less than 10 iirc) |
| 21:43:21 | gevaerts | Doesn't that give problems if you have a non-static IRAM function that calls a static non-IRAM function ? |
| 21:43:45 | amiconn | That doesn't happen |
| 21:43:54 | amiconn | I never tried that combination |
| 21:45:30 | amiconn | Probably that non-IRAM function must also be non-static in such a case. |
| 21:46:11 | gevaerts | I guess that most IRAM functions are leaf-functions, i.e. they don't call much other functions |
| 21:46:15 | amiconn | It's only of theoretical value anyway. Functions are put into IRAM if they need to be executed as fast as possible, and such functions just don't call slow functions |
| 21:47:05 | amiconn | They sometimes do call other iram functions though, and the bad thing is that gcc unnecessarily makes these calls long call |
| 21:47:24 | amiconn | The whole long-call/short-call handling in gcc is rather broken if you ask me... |
| 21:48:05 | bertrik | hmm, I never really bothered with that, how long is a short call anyway? |
| 21:48:56 | amiconn | 26 bit signed, i.e. +/-32MB |
| 21:49:04 | amiconn | (on arm, where all this is about) |
| 21:49:33 | amiconn | The rule is (according to the gcc manual) that a function will be long-call if it has an explicit section attribute (and it needs to be non-static as I found. That's probably a bug) |
| 21:50:36 | * | gevaerts agrees with amiconn that this rule is not optimal |
| 21:50:45 | amiconn | The correct way would require to declare (groups of) sections, where calls within that section/group can be short calls, and calls to other sections/groups need to be long calls |
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| 21:51:08 | bertrik | I think an important thing is that even though there may be a bug, a problem should never be silently ignored |
| 21:52:12 | amiconn | Not all targets require calls between .text and .icode to be long calls. E.g. on the iFP 7xx, iram can be mapped close enough to dram so that all calls can be short (hence .text and .icode would form a single group) |
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| 21:54:43 | Hillshum | blo0dy: i have a sansa v2 and watch the progress |
| 21:54:49 | amiconn | bertrik, gevaerts: There's even one more bug: A static function won't be handled as long call even if it has an explicit __attributte__((long_call)) ... |
| 21:55:00 | bertrik | argh |
| 21:55:02 | amiconn | *attribute |
| 21:55:43 | gevaerts | Doesn't sound good... |
| 21:56:14 | bertrik | honestly I'm a bit surprised that gcc has issues like that |
| 21:56:32 | blo0dy | Hillshum, I wanna help |
| 21:56:37 | bertrik | I should say arm-elf-gcc probably |
| 21:57:21 | blo0dy | Hillshum, Ill post what I got on the forums in a bit |
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| 21:57:25 | blo0dy | aint much though |
| 21:57:40 | blo0dy | just bought the thing yesterday and Im dying to hack it , th eui sucks |
| 21:57:50 | Hillshum | blo0dy:we think recovery mode is plain ole MSC, but can't check cuz no one can load bad firmware |
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| 21:58:11 | Hillshum | blo0dy : because we don't know the checksum |
| 21:58:30 | Bagder | we can indeed load a modified firmware |
| 21:58:32 | blo0dy | Hillshum, ok well their has to be a way of figuring this out |
| 21:58:36 | Bagder | and it has even been done |
| 21:58:49 | Hillshum | nevermind than |
| 21:59:03 | Bagder | we just don't have a tool that can do it all properly |
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| 21:59:15 | Hillshum | and is MSC recovery mode? |
| 21:59:24 | Bagder | we know of no recovery mode for v2 sansas |
| 21:59:51 | NHeal | leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
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| 21:59:56 | Hillshum | bagder: does your v2 page cover that? http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/v2.html |
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| 22:00:07 | Bagder | yes |
| 22:00:07 | blo0dy | cant a email to austria microsystems get this info ? i mean its only recovery mode |
| 22:00:16 | Bagder | ? |
| 22:00:18 | bertrik | Bagder: cool, didn't know it was as far as that. What happened to the sansa that got loaded with the modified firmware? |
| 22:00:24 | Bagder | the SoC has no recovery mode itself |
| 22:00:36 | Bagder | it would need to be made by the boot loader like the for the sansa v1s |
| 22:00:48 | Hillshum | was saratoga saying it did? |
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| 22:01:04 | Bagder | bertrik: it worked, someone just switched a few letters in a string |
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| 22:01:17 | blo0dy | hey i might have some info on the bootloader |
| 22:01:45 | blo0dy | have look I *found * like 20 mb in pdf from austria microsystems on the net |
| 22:01:50 | blo0dy | and the 35x chip |
| 22:01:56 | Bagder | bertrik: since the checksum is a stupid ADD, it's quite simple to just switch letters and end up with the same checksum |
| 22:02:20 | Bagder | the checksum for the first chunk that is |
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| 22:03:00 | bertrik | ok, must be scary to try stuff like that ... :X |
| 22:03:23 | Bagder | nah, the firmware is refused if the checksum is bad |
| 22:03:26 | blo0dy | Badger that sounds kind of cheap though |
| 22:03:34 | Bagder | and just making up a weird string is harmless |
| 22:03:44 | Bagder | cheap? |
| 22:03:51 | Bagder | what is? |
| 22:04:34 | bertrik | blo0dy: actually I think it's quite clever to try something like that |
| 22:04:45 | blo0dy | just switch letters and end up with the same checksum |
| 22:04:55 | blo0dy | clever yes , but still cheap |
| 22:05:14 | Bagder | well, it also proves the checksum algorithm I'd say |
| 22:05:30 | blo0dy | good point |
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| 22:07:16 | blo0dy | I just wanna hack this thing |
| 22:07:31 | blo0dy | I hate it stuff like this |
| 22:07:39 | blo0dy | hardware change blah , no infos |
| 22:08:08 | bertrik | consider it a challenge, a very complicated puzzle :) |
| 22:08:20 | blo0dy | yeah , in the end though well break it |
| 22:08:29 | blo0dy | if we all work together i think |
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| 22:08:55 | bertrik | the thrill of breaking new ground, pioneering where no hacker has gone before :P |
| 22:09:47 | Bagder | we are working together and have been doing so for quite a while... |
| 22:09:55 | blo0dy | yeah im new |
| 22:10:01 | blo0dy | just started yesterday |
| 22:10:07 | blo0dy | I need to post on the forum |
| 22:10:15 | blo0dy | and will contribute what I can |
| 22:10:21 | amiconn | Bleh, why is the newer generation of dacs used in daps most often worse than the older ones :\ |
| 22:10:59 | amiconn | AS3525: 32 gain steps of 1.5dB |
| 22:11:38 | amiconn | That's 48dB range in total - too small a range for me (lowest setting would be too loud in a quiet environment) |
| 22:12:34 | amiconn | For comparison: MAS3587F has 128 steps at 1dB (that's actually more than you'll ever need though)... |
| 22:12:52 | bertrik | AS3514 has 32 steps in the DAC too (only 22 used IIRC)... but it is combined with the steps in the headphone amp |
| 22:13:21 | bertrik | (but I guess you already knew that) |
| 22:13:26 | amiconn | no |
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| 22:13:50 | amiconn | Okay, then AS3525 is the same. Still a bit weird imo... |
| 22:14:52 | faemir | amiconn: the only solution there is to get headphones with a volume slider on it :P |
| 22:15:16 | amiconn | haha |
| 22:15:31 | amiconn | Those volume sliders negatively affect the sound |
| 22:15:41 | gevaerts | You can even control the slider with a stepper motor to keep it all digital :) |
| 22:16:05 | faemir | amiconn: oh I never said it was a good solution :P |
| 22:16:18 | bertrik | has to be a pretty quiet stepper motor and not too heavy |
| 22:16:52 | gevaerts | Well, since the sound is negatively affected anyway, the stepper motor noise won't harm much |
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| 22:17:04 | faemir | If anyone wants to sell me an ipod 5.5 gen 80gb feel free to :D |
| 22:19:48 | cpbills | can i sell it to you at 50% markup? |
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| 22:21:25 | faemir | cpbills: ... how much? :P |
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| 22:24:23 | faemir | ebay only has one on it atm |
| 22:24:27 | faemir | :( |
| 22:24:42 | faemir | apple refurb only has the 30gb - which I already have and don't want XD |
| 22:30:01 | cpbills | is 5.5 gen 'old' ? |
| 22:30:31 | cpbills | i don't like apple ever since i spent $525 on a 3rd gen 40gb... as it was shipping, 4g came out |
| 22:31:14 | blo0dy | be happy |
| 22:31:22 | blo0dy | cant yoou install podzilla on that ? |
| 22:31:30 | BigBambi | Please stay on topic chaps |
| 22:31:35 | blo0dy | sry |
| 22:31:47 | cpbills | blo0dy: yeah, but the battery is dead... runs rockbox though. |
| 22:32:03 | blo0dy | cool |
| 22:33:08 | blo0dy | real quick though off topic a work colleuge got a ipod tocuh today what a hunk of junk , started up out of the box and needed to install itunes , you couldnt even do anything |
| 22:33:27 | blo0dy | steve sux |
| 22:33:27 | cpbills | yeah... |
| 22:33:29 | blo0dy | ;) |
| 22:34:00 | cpbills | i think they want us to bash apple in #rockbox-community |
| 22:34:13 | blo0dy | apĆ¼el does suck |
| 22:34:17 | blo0dy | appel |
| 22:34:32 | blo0dy | encrypted firmware ? halo ? |
| 22:34:39 | blo0dy | wtf |
| 22:34:39 | BigBambi | Seriously now |
| 22:34:42 | blo0dy | sry |
| 22:34:43 | blo0dy | ok |
| 22:34:44 | Hillshum | if steve dies apple crashes |
| 22:34:50 | BigBambi | This channel is for Rockbox *only* |
| 22:35:00 | blo0dy | BigBambi, we just wanted to bash |
| 22:35:06 | BigBambi | Well do it elsewhere |
| 22:35:10 | blo0dy | k |
| 22:35:18 | * | gevaerts doesn't see 'random bashing' in the topic |
| 22:35:32 | BigBambi | This is a logged development and support channel, and it is highly annoying to read the logs and find them full of rubbish |
| 22:35:54 | blo0dy | sry didnt know |
| 22:36:25 | BigBambi | The guidelines you are supposed to have read says this... |
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| 22:36:57 | blo0dy | sry I am veery bad at reading guidelines |
| 22:37:15 | linuxstb | Anyone have any ideas how a button could be connected on the m200? I can't detect the MENU/POWER button - afaics, it's not GPIO or via the ADC... |
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| 22:37:26 | blo0dy | linuxstb, yes |
| 22:37:40 | blo0dy | dude let me upload all my stuff to my page |
| 22:37:46 | blo0dy | give me 20 mins |
| 22:37:53 | blo0dy | ill post in forum |
| 22:38:06 | bertrik | linuxstb: maybe it's hooked up to an ADC input, just a wild guess |
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| 22:38:27 | Llorean | blo0dy: Please, take the channel guidelines seriously. You need to read them. |
| 22:38:39 | blo0dy | link ? |
| 22:38:44 | BigBambi | The topic |
| 22:38:45 | Llorean | They're in the channel topic. |
| 22:39:06 | linuxstb | bertrik: All buttons apart from the MENU/POWER button are on ADC... |
| 22:39:07 | bertrik | perhaps with different resistance for each button |
| 22:39:09 | blo0dy | i have iirsci |
| 22:39:20 | linuxstb | It's just the one remaining button I can't locate. |
| 22:39:40 | BigBambi | blo0dy: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines Please read them before doing anything else |
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| 22:40:49 | Hillshum | blo0dy: site? |
| 22:41:06 | bertrik | linuxstb: sorry, I failed to notice you already mentioned ADC |
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| 22:44:54 | amiconn | It's probably not a coincidence that rockbox usb on the H10 (PP5020) works with my hub, while on mini G2 (PP5022) and c240 (PP5022) it doesn't work |
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| 22:47:06 | amiconn | Unfortunately I have no second PP5020 target to verify this |
| 22:47:30 | Llorean | What other targets are PP5020? |
| 22:47:36 | gevaerts | I have done some quick tests with TXFILLTUNING and BURSTSIZE last week, without much result |
| 22:47:59 | amiconn | iPod G4, color, Mini G1, m:robe 100 |
| 22:48:17 | gevaerts | One thing I noticed is that reading those back gives 0, even after I've written other values |
| 22:51:04 | bertrik | linuxstb: the power button is the slide switch below the screen? maybe you can trace where the signal goes on the PCB |
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| 22:51:35 | gevaerts | amiconn: at devcon we will probably have some of those, so if you also bring your hub, we can do a more complete test |
| 22:52:21 | pixelma | 8 weeks to go |
| 22:52:22 | linuxstb | bertrik: No, that's the hold switch. But yes, if firmware disassembly doesn't help, I'll try that... |
| 22:53:10 | * | gevaerts would like to get the problems solved before devcon, but has no idea where to look. |
| 22:55:27 | Ararwyn | Has anyone publicly gathered any data for the ipod classics? |
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| 22:56:34 | Bagder | Ararwyn: not a lot I think, no |
| 22:56:49 | Ararwyn | Has anyone publicly gathered any data for the ipod classics? |
| 22:57:02 | Bagder | /echo off |
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| 22:57:31 | BigBambi | Ararwyn: I think all we know is in the thread in the New Ports forum |
| 22:59:12 | Ararwyn | Sorry about that double post, some sort of a lag on my end :/ |
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| 23:04:57 | Agent_ | good evening, i would like to ask, whether i could format my Sandisk Sansa e280 without Rockbox noticing it? because something has gone terribly wrong, and i now have a couple of folders containing over 46 gb (or so it says) of files, that i cannot delete. |
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| 23:06:35 | gevaerts | First try to run chkdsk or fsck on it. That might fix the problem |
| 23:07:43 | Agent_ | okay, il try that. Just a sec |
| 23:10:57 | Agent_ | would it be safe to try and fix the errors chkdsk has found? or should i try to take a backup before? |
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| 23:12:02 | gevaerts | If you don't have a backup, I'd suggest to backup what you can now |
| 23:12:13 | Agent_ | right:) |
| 23:15:24 | amiconn | umm |
| 23:15:30 | * | amiconn might have found something... |
| 23:21:14 | gevaerts | amiconn: what length of usb cable are you using with your hub ? |
| 23:21:26 | amiconn | 50 cm |
| 23:21:57 | gevaerts | That shouldn't introduce timing problems then |
| 23:22:59 | amiconn | The ipod cable is 1.2m (same as the sansa cable) |
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| 23:30:15 | Agent_ | Gevaerts, i could kiss you! |
| 23:30:25 | * | gevaerts hides |
| 23:30:34 | Agent_ | it all works like a charm now, thanks a lot:D |
| 23:30:40 | gevaerts | great :) |
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| 23:30:50 | Agent_ | thanks, and have a nice evening |
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| 23:37:05 | amiconn | gevaerts: According to the i.MX31 datasheet, REG_OTGSC bit 3 should be 1 for device operation (OTG termination). I tried setting this bit, but can't observe an effect.... |
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| 23:37:55 | * | amiconn also tried USBMODE_STREAM_DISABLE again, in combination with that bit |
| 23:39:03 | * | gevaerts should read the entire usb chapter in the datasheet again. There _must_ be something that we missed |
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