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| 04:47:11 | MarkJaques | hi, does anyone here tried the e200tool on a sansa view? |
| 04:48:48 | MarkJaques | I have 3 bricked views already... |
| 04:51:47 | advcomp2019 | MarkJaques, the e200tool will not work |
| 04:56:03 | advcomp2019 | i had a view that the force format caused it to stay in manufacturing mode |
| 04:57:55 | MarkJaques | that's what happened to mine. |
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| 07:41:35 | bertrik_ | the gui_splash implementation prototype and the header file prototype are not in sync |
| 07:42:20 | bertrik_ | the gui_splash implementation uses a const *unsigned* char *fmt, while the header file uses const *char* *fmt |
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| 08:31:59 | Lollipop | hi all |
| 08:32:23 | Lollipop | on my gigabeat f, bass and treble settings dont work |
| 08:33:14 | Lollipop | Anyone else have this problem? |
| 08:33:27 | brent113_ | nope |
| 08:33:45 | * | Mouser_X doesn't use those settings. |
| 08:33:49 | brent113_ | try updating to the latest stable release? |
| 08:33:52 | Mouser_X | (In other words, I have no idea.) |
| 08:33:56 | Lollipop | i just did |
| 08:34:11 | brent113_ | don't use them? |
| 08:34:11 | brent113_ | haha |
| 08:34:24 | Lollipop | lol, but its there! |
| 08:34:26 | brent113_ | works fine for me, not sure why it wouldn't work for you |
| 08:34:45 | brent113_ | you could try various archived releases i suppose to see if they work |
| 08:35:07 | Lollipop | I'm at 17273 and that one works |
| 08:35:20 | Lollipop | the latest daily build didn't work |
| 08:35:32 | Lollipop | nor did compiling my own build |
| 08:36:19 | brent113_ | 2008-05-02 05:27r17304: Working ROLO for the Gigabeat F/X |
| 08:36:34 | brent113_ | that's from the changelog, looks like they were working on the gigabeat |
| 08:36:43 | brent113_ | could've introduced a bug |
| 08:37:07 | Lollipop | at 17274, they did something with the audio |
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| 08:38:35 | brent113_ | hmm i see that |
| 08:38:40 | brent113_ | specifically to the bass |
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| 08:40:07 | Lollipop | bass and treble settings |
| 08:40:11 | Lollipop | EQ doesn't seem to be affected |
| 08:41:11 | Mouser_X | :/ |
| 08:41:27 | Mouser_X | It looks like finding a new HDD for my Gigabeat S will be expensive... |
| 08:41:37 | Mouser_X | At least, for anything exceeding 100 GB. |
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| 09:25:34 | NewUser | hello |
| 09:25:47 | NewUser | hello |
| 09:25:48 | advcomp2019 | NewUser, hello |
| 09:26:01 | NewUser | i'm from germany, so sorry for my english |
| 09:26:15 | NewUser | i've got only one question |
| 09:26:56 | * | Mouser_X has many many many questions, but 99% of them are not Rockbox related. Thus, they remain unasked. |
| 09:26:57 | advcomp2019 | what is your question |
| 09:27:37 | NewUser | i have an ipod nano, with the newest rockbox buit. and i buyied new headphones yesterday. now i want to know, how to get more bass. |
| 09:27:54 | NewUser | what must i do? |
| 09:28:07 | Mouser_X | Magic. Or you could try reading the manual. |
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| 09:28:20 | Mouser_X | One of those 2 methods is likely to help. |
| 09:28:58 | NewUser | ok. thank you. |
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| 09:29:59 | Mouser_X | NewUser: Try this - http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-buildch6.html#x9-1000006 |
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| 09:30:05 | Mouser_X | Missed... |
| 09:31:46 | brent113_ | haha |
| 09:31:49 | brent113_ | solid advice there |
| 09:32:05 | brent113_ | personally the manual didn't help, i had to rely on black magic |
| 09:34:49 | bertrik | oh, you found something missing or an error in the manual? |
| 09:34:50 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
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| 09:35:40 | Mouser_X | Me? No. He asked about bass. I found a section that had the word "bass" in it, so I assumed it was the right one, and pasted a link to it here. |
| 09:35:55 | bertrik | hmm, the build seems to be hanging :( |
| 09:36:01 | * | Mouser_X noticed. |
| 09:36:25 | Mouser_X | Nice job breaking it bertrik. |
| 09:36:36 | * | bertrik bows |
| 09:36:42 | BHSPitLappy | It made shoes for orphans. |
| 09:36:48 | BHSPitLappy | Nice job breaking it, hero. |
| 09:36:56 | Mouser_X | It's better than I could have done. I don't even have commit access. |
| 09:38:13 | bertrik | actually all of the targets do have a new binary, it seems it's just the build table |
| 09:38:25 | Mouser_X | I was wondering about that. |
| 09:38:47 | Mouser_X | So, the shoes are made, but they didn't tell anyone? |
| 09:39:44 | BHSPitLappy | Somebody should write a Portal game plugin |
| 09:39:58 | BHSPitLappy | It seems fitting, right |
| 09:47:13 | brent113_ | o shi - |
| 09:47:20 | brent113_ | portal on daps? |
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| 10:49:22 | Jungti1234 | long time no see |
| 10:49:40 | Jungti1234 | anyone? |
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| 10:50:07 | Jungti1234 | hello |
| 10:51:53 | linuxstb | Hi |
| 10:54:30 | Jungti1234 | yep |
| 10:54:43 | Jungti1234 | i have one question |
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| 10:56:16 | * | bertrik gazes into crystal ball and guesses that it's about bass |
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| 10:58:40 | Jungti1234 | how much size can read in text viewer? |
| 10:58:59 | amiconn | The text viewer has no file size limit |
| 10:59:13 | amiconn | (except the fat32 limit, which is 2GB) |
| 10:59:16 | Jungti1234 | ah, really? |
| 10:59:20 | amiconn | yes |
| 10:59:26 | Jungti1234 | good |
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| 10:59:58 | amiconn | It will load the text in chunks if it doesn't fit at once |
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| 11:00:53 | Jungti1234 | ok, thanks |
| 11:00:56 | Jungti1234 | bye |
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| 11:37:45 | bertrik | yay, build table works again |
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| 11:50:48 | pixelma | bertrik: and... gives you a bit of yellow... ;) |
| 11:51:18 | pixelma | should 've waited a few seconds more :) |
| 11:52:00 | bertrik | I made some things a little more strict, but the yellow fix is being built now |
| 11:52:13 | bertrik | -but |
| 11:52:51 | Bagder | amiconn: yes? |
| 11:53:14 | * | gevaerts votes to just compile with -Wnone -Ewarn :) |
| 11:53:20 | amiconn | Bagder: Wanted to point out the hanging build, which is fixed now |
| 11:53:31 | Bagder | ah |
| 11:53:43 | amiconn | I'm curious what happened this time though |
| 11:53:51 | Bagder | looks like it auto-killed itself |
| 11:53:52 | amiconn | The auto restart didn't work... |
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| 11:56:06 | * | linuxstb wonders why Sansa put a backup battery for the RTC in the m200, but then doesn't display the date/time in the OF... |
| 11:56:08 | bertrik | 17308-17310 finished building but did not show up in the build table. 17311 didn't get built at all, with 17312 things seemed normal again |
| 11:56:25 | linuxstb | s/Sansa/Sandisk/... |
| 11:56:51 | gevaerts | linuxstb: don't complain, just use it :) |
| 11:56:53 | bertrik | linuxstb: reference design told them to do it like that :P |
| 11:57:32 | * | gevaerts wonders if some drm schemes might need a working RTC |
| 11:57:38 | amiconn | bertrik: Your yellow fix should give a bit of green delta for the affected targets |
| 11:57:53 | amiconn | Although I wonder why ipod nano doesn't support lcd flip |
| 11:58:08 | pixelma | linuxstb: are you sure that there is no "RTC mode" to be enter by having the hold switch on during power up and hold button X, Y and Z? |
| 11:58:14 | pixelma | *entered |
| 11:58:15 | amiconn | It uses HD66789R, so the controller command is known |
| 11:58:47 | amiconn | Ipod color is a problem though, as it can either have HD66789R or an unknown one |
| 11:59:04 | amiconn | H10 5/6GB will hopefully soon be able to flip the display |
| 11:59:24 | * | amiconn has too many incomplete code snippets laying around :( |
| 11:59:25 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Yes, I think WMA DRM requires it - it must be set via MTP... |
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| 12:00:04 | bertrik | amiconn: the green is nice, but wasn't really my intention :) |
| 12:00:14 | gevaerts | bertrik: don't admit that ! |
| 12:00:21 | * | linuxstb should attach it to a windows PC and see if the clock gets set. |
| 12:00:57 | bertrik | oh, MTP has some kind of mechanism of setting the RTC? |
| 12:01:06 | linuxstb | I would assume so, as part of the DRM. |
| 12:01:38 | * | bertrik feels like the fixer of non-essential things this week |
| 12:01:46 | gevaerts | AFAIK WMA DRM has a time-lock feature |
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| 12:02:38 | Llorean | gevaerts: Oh, right, the "after 1 month it expires" thing. |
| 12:02:46 | Llorean | For the rental services. |
| 12:03:37 | gevaerts | yes. I wonder how clock-tamper-resistant that is |
| 12:05:20 | Llorean | I guess one could guess based on whether any OFs let you *actually* change the RTC, or if they just let you change an offset the OF uses and leave the RTC under windows' control. |
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| 12:07:50 | gevaerts | Yes, but the windows clock is under _my_ control |
| 12:09:09 | Llorean | That being said, the Gigabeat supports WMA DRM, and you can reset its clock very easily. |
| 12:09:37 | * | gevaerts stops discussing drm. It probably is off-topic :) |
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| 12:59:48 | linuxstb | gevaerts: I would doubt WMP uses the Windows clock - I would expect it to get it via a secure connection to a server on the internet. |
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| 13:00:43 | gevaerts | That would mean it requires an internet connection to sync a player |
| 13:01:08 | linuxstb | Doesn't it? |
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| 13:01:17 | linuxstb | It wouldn't surprise me... |
| 13:01:34 | linuxstb | Or at least when first transferring DRM'd songs. |
| 13:01:42 | linuxstb | But yes, we're getting off-topic... |
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| 13:21:18 | JdGordon | has anyone tested out the quickscreen patch? |
| 13:21:23 | gevaerts | Is the cabbiev2.wps line '%?C<|%s%ac%?It<%Ia|%Fn>>' correct ? |
| 13:22:24 | ZincAlloy | looks like something is missing |
| 13:22:29 | gevaerts | I read that as 'if there is a next track title, show the next track artist' |
| 13:22:57 | pixelma | he, a bit illogical to check for next track title abd then display next traxk artist |
| 13:23:08 | pixelma | *and |
| 13:23:37 | pixelma | and *track too |
| 13:24:41 | ZincAlloy | this is what it's supposed to look like for the h300 port: %?C<%s%m|105|%al%?it<%it|%fn>|%s%ac%?it<%it|%fn>> |
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| 13:27:43 | pixelma | is there another line with "%It" in it? I could imagine that it makes a little sense for the else case in which it should show the next track's file name to avoid doubling information when you have a "artist - title" naming scheme |
| 13:28:59 | gevaerts | There is one other line with %It, but that one is for the album art case, so they don't overlap |
| 13:29:06 | ZincAlloy | oh, yeah, that would have been the next track line. my bad. here it is: %?C<%s%m|105|%al%?It<%It|%Fn>|%s%ac%?It<%It|%Fn>> |
| 13:29:48 | ZincAlloy | gevaerts: in what version did you find that odd line? |
| 13:29:52 | gevaerts | Gigabeat seems to be a bit different. In case of album art it shows the next track info on a different line |
| 13:30:10 | * | gevaerts apologizes. he should have mentioned that he is looking at gigabeat f |
| 13:30:28 | ZincAlloy | that could make sense.... |
| 13:31:08 | ZincAlloy | does it work? |
| 13:31:33 | gevaerts | I haven't tested with album art |
| 13:31:42 | gevaerts | What is '%?C<|>' supposed to do ? |
| 13:32:04 | ZincAlloy | define what happens if there is album art present |
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| 13:32:26 | ZincAlloy | check out how the gigabeat version is supposed to look like with and without album art http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DefaultWPS |
| 13:32:43 | JdGordon | amiconn: pixelma: had a chance to play with the QS patch? |
| 13:32:55 | gevaerts | ZincAlloy: I meant that literal line. Nothing else on it |
| 13:33:22 | ZincAlloy | though it still strikes me odd that it would check for the next track's titel and then display the artist... |
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| 13:34:23 | ZincAlloy | give me a second... I'm checking out the actual wps code |
| 13:34:43 | pixelma | JdGordon: I didn't and my Archos target doesn't have a quick screen |
| 13:35:06 | pixelma | gevaerts: that line seems unneeded |
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| 13:35:49 | pixelma | I believe Nico_P created the last version of the gigabeat cabbiev2 |
| 13:36:14 | ZincAlloy | it's not unneeded... |
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| 13:36:37 | ZincAlloy | but somebody messed it up I think.. |
| 13:36:40 | ZincAlloy | a long time ago |
| 13:37:04 | ZincAlloy | I have a very old version on my computer and it has the same issue |
| 13:38:51 | ZincAlloy | it should check for artist, not title |
| 13:39:11 | * | JdGordon gets the feeling there isnt much interest in the damn patch :p |
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| 13:41:12 | Nico_P | pixelma: I only tweaked it a bit |
| 13:42:02 | ZincAlloy | second mistake in that line is %fn |
| 13:42:52 | pixelma | Nico_P: ok, didn't know exactly what you did and just thought you could know something |
| 13:43:13 | ZincAlloy | it needs to be changed to %D2 |
| 13:46:05 | ZincAlloy | there's probably something wrong with the next line as well |
| 13:46:41 | * | gevaerts decides to let ZincAlloy work this all out |
| 13:47:06 | ZincAlloy | what's the next line in your wps file, gevaerts? |
| 13:48:50 | gevaerts | ZincAlloy: after the It?Ia thing ? '%?C<%s%ac%?Ia<Next: %Ia - |%?Fn<Next: %Fn|>>%It|>' |
| 13:50:04 | ZincAlloy | interesting... |
| 13:50:25 | JdGordon | http://imagebin.ca/view/1rl1R-LD.html .... should the icons be closer to the text or is that good? |
| 13:50:37 | JdGordon | for the side items i mean... |
| 13:53:21 | * | ZincAlloy is loading down a gigabeat sim now... |
| 13:55:05 | pixelma | JdGordon: I'd think it would look better if the text was closer to the icons... (not moving the icons though)... |
| 13:56:10 | JdGordon | how much closer? |
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| 14:00:40 | pixelma | that probably depends on the display, e.g. it doesn't look that bad on the remote display (especially since you also have a bit of space between used display area and the casing on greyscale/mono displays. The issue for me is more the H300 display where the text is almost sticking at the border (especially because in real it's a colour display where you have a black frame around the used area of the display) |
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| 14:02:32 | JdGordon | yeah, agreed.. but we dont want them pushed off too far from the edge |
| 14:03:05 | JdGordon | does the flip display optoin on the F3 QS change live? |
| 14:04:39 | pixelma | don't know - but it changes live in the menu on my Ondio |
| 14:04:51 | pixelma | no |
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| 14:05:03 | pixelma | confused it with inverted |
| 14:05:22 | pixelma | the flip doesn't change live |
| 14:05:27 | ibycus | hi all, i've got a problem with my ipod video |
| 14:05:27 | JdGordon | ok, good |
| 14:05:43 | JdGordon | easy to change it to be live now thouhg if its wanted |
| 14:05:45 | ibycus | since i upgraded to the latest firmware, the rbutil program won't recognise it's there |
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| 14:07:40 | ibycus | it won't autodetect it, and if I choose mountpoint and type manually then try to do a complete installation it claims that "no ipods were found" |
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| 14:11:04 | ibycus | should i try a manual installation, or is that a bad idea considering the automatic one failed? |
| 14:11:30 | gevaerts | It's always worth trying of course, but I have no idea about what might be causing this |
| 14:11:49 | ibycus | it's weird because i've had rockbox on this ipod for ages before |
| 14:12:00 | ZincAlloy | oh.... the sim comes with a broken theme? |
| 14:12:09 | ibycus | i restored with itunes and upgraded to the latest firmware, now it wont recognise it's there :-S |
| 14:12:13 | ZincAlloy | now it's getting funky... |
| 14:13:32 | ibycus | the only other thing i changed was the name of the ipod but i highly doubt that;s affecting it, i thought it had to be due to the new firmware version |
| 14:13:44 | ibycus | as in, apple firmware, not rockbox |
| 14:13:57 | n1s | ibycus: do you have administrator/root privileges ? |
| 14:14:09 | ibycus | well yes but I am not running rbutil as root |
| 14:14:15 | ibycus | that was never necessary before |
| 14:14:21 | ibycus | i can try it now |
| 14:14:27 | n1s | to install a bootloader i think it is |
| 14:14:55 | ibycus | well i'll try it, but it's saying no ipods detected rather than installation failed due to insufficient privileges or anything like that |
| 14:16:13 | ibycus | aha, seems to be working |
| 14:16:14 | ibycus | thanks |
| 14:16:26 | ibycus | odd though, i never had to run it as root befotre |
| 14:16:32 | JdGordon | pixelma: this look better? http://imagebin.ca/view/LHpFlU7F.html |
| 14:17:05 | n1s | ibycus: it's only necessary when installing a bootloader because it needs raw disk access |
| 14:17:06 | ibycus | i get a themes not found error now but presumably thats completely unrelated |
| 14:17:50 | n1s | ibycus: yes, that's because the ipod video themes were taken down because of bandwith issues iirc |
| 14:18:08 | ibycus | ok, i remember this happeneing before, will they be up again at some point? |
| 14:18:34 | ibycus | or is there a mirror? |
| 14:18:49 | ibycus | or a torrent even maybe? |
| 14:19:39 | Bagder | there's a new themes site in the pipe |
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| 14:19:52 | * | Bagder pokes scorche |
| 14:20:03 | wintermute23 | Hi there. |
| 14:20:27 | wintermute23 | How do I go about getting permission to edit the Wiki? |
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| 14:24:15 | JdGordon | any objections to comiting this as it is? (no customizability or top item)... we can tweak it if its needed, but I think its good... |
| 14:24:21 | * | JdGordon wants to get onto other things |
| 14:25:49 | n1s | wintermute23: register in the wiki with your Real Name (tm), ask in here (and promise not to spam) |
| 14:27:48 | BigBambi | wintermute23: And deliver unto us your first born as security |
| 14:28:14 | wintermute23 | You wouldn't want my first born. |
| 14:28:21 | BigBambi | hehe :) |
| 14:28:29 | wintermute23 | OK, I have registered... |
| 14:28:44 | pixelma | JdGordon: yes looks better. Is every item in a viewport now? (unfortunately I have to go in a few minutes though, maybe it's not worth discussing now) |
| 14:28:57 | wintermute23 | As RossThompson |
| 14:29:05 | pixelma | JdGordon: I meant especically the side items |
| 14:29:09 | JdGordon | pixelma: yes |
| 14:29:23 | JdGordon | im gonna commit it now... the delta looks to be tiny :) |
| 14:29:48 | BigBambi | wintermute23: OK done. No spamming now... :) |
| 14:30:00 | wintermute23 | Promise. :) |
| 14:30:02 | wintermute23 | Thanks. |
| 14:30:41 | BigBambi | no problems |
| 14:31:24 | pixelma | JdGordon: then I could _imagine_ that it looks good if the left side item was right aligned in its viewport and vice versa (so they both have the same distance to the center). But I'm not sure and would need to actually see it. |
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| 14:32:34 | pixelma | really have to leave now though, sorry |
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| 14:36:23 | JdGordon | yeah, I thought about that as well... didnt want to change it too much from the old version though |
| 14:40:01 | JdGordon | arg.. that deltas not what I expected... |
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| 14:43:08 | wintermute23 | There. I added my new theme to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIriverH300 |
| 14:43:27 | bertrik | waaa, I just saved about 100 bytes, now you add another 1000! :P |
| 14:44:52 | JdGordon | the recorder .elf and .bin differenes were much smaller on my comp for some reason |
| 14:45:40 | wintermute23 | OK, thanks for the help. |
| 14:45:43 | wintermute23 | Bye. |
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| 15:09:28 | * | ZincAlloy is really confused now, as cabbiev2 works great on the gigabeat f sim, but not on the gigabeat s |
| 15:15:47 | linuxstb | ZincAlloy: In what way doesn't it work? |
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| 15:19:17 | ZincAlloy | linuxstb: as soon as it tries to load a cover art file (l|50|35|140|140|) it shows the old default theme |
| 15:20:12 | ZincAlloy | whoops, that was supposed to read l|50|35|sc140|sc140| |
| 15:20:54 | ZincAlloy | d'oh... no idea why irc keeps messing up the text.. |
| 15:21:05 | Llorean | s? |
| 15:23:52 | ZincAlloy | that was supposed to be a Cl tag... |
| 15:27:02 | Llorean | Yes, but the wiki doesn't mention s as being a valid parameter, that I saw. |
| 15:27:04 | Llorean | What's it supposed to do? |
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| 15:29:22 | ZincAlloy | oh, that doesn't matter actually. I think it's from an old version of the bmp resize patch. it can be used instead of the c tag for some reason. no issues with that. I've tried it without s and c |
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| 15:30:05 | Llorean | Are you 100% sure you've tried it without the s? Since it's an unsupported tag, you really shouldn't be asking about WPSes using it here. |
| 15:30:26 | Llorean | And, are you sure there aren't any other unsupported tags somewhere? |
| 15:30:28 | ZincAlloy | yes. I'm 100% sure |
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| 15:30:52 | Llorean | Why don't you paste the unworking .wps code to a pastebin then, for someone to look over? |
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| 15:33:41 | ZincAlloy | the theme's included with every build. it's cabbie v2 :) |
| 15:33:59 | Llorean | Are you saying the SVN version has these unsupported tags in it? That needs to be fixed... |
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| 15:34:19 | ZincAlloy | I wouldn't say they're unsupported. they're undocumented |
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| 15:35:17 | ZincAlloy | I think they have the same functionality as c |
| 15:36:50 | * | gevaerts apologises to ZincAlloy for getting him into this |
| 15:37:31 | ZincAlloy | gevaerts: never mind :) |
| 15:37:39 | ZincAlloy | fascinating stuff |
| 15:38:00 | Llorean | ZincAlloy: They're unsupported if they're not supposed to exist. |
| 15:38:05 | Llorean | It should reject them. |
| 15:38:56 | ZincAlloy | in theory, yes :) |
| 15:40:03 | Llorean | Why were they in it in the first place? |
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| 15:41:48 | ZincAlloy | good question.. I think I took a look at how other people implemented album art.. |
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| 15:43:16 | Llorean | I find the WPS doesn't work with or without album art present, anyway. |
| 15:44:37 | ZincAlloy | yes. as soon as you include a Cl line in the .wps file, right? |
| 15:45:13 | Llorean | Well, I also noticed that any time I try to play back a song, the song seems to vanish off the disk. |
| 15:46:13 | ZincAlloy | seems? |
| 15:46:22 | Llorean | Well, the song isn't there any more |
| 15:46:36 | Llorean | But i haven't done the investigation to figure out what actually happened. |
| 15:46:48 | ZincAlloy | odd, really |
| 15:47:05 | Llorean | Yes. I would say don't worry about the WPS for the S until music playback works properly anyway |
| 15:47:09 | Llorean | It should be identical to the F anyway |
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| 15:47:30 | Llorean | If you're going to spend time on something, fix the errors in its tag syntax elsewehre |
| 15:48:06 | ZincAlloy | sure |
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| 16:10:03 | ZincAlloy | gevaerts: I fixed the wps file |
| 16:10:07 | bluebrother | ouch. Around 1000 bytes binsize increase only for converting the quickscreen to viewports? |
| 16:10:29 | gevaerts | ZincAlloy: great :) |
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| 16:11:42 | ZincAlloy | gevaerts: how can I send it to you? |
| 16:11:49 | gevaerts | dcc or email |
| 16:11:58 | gevaerts | or pastebin |
| 16:12:20 | ZincAlloy | email |
| 16:13:54 | gevaerts | ok. Did you get my address |
| 16:13:55 | gevaerts | ? |
| 16:14:31 | ZincAlloy | sent |
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| 16:21:01 | * | JdGordon thinks a bit of that delta can be reclaimed :) |
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| 16:26:32 | gevaerts | ZincAlloy: thanks. committed |
| 16:27:16 | ZincAlloy | cool. looking forward to the bug reports :) |
| 16:28:22 | * | gevaerts even tested it in the sim before committing :) |
| 16:28:49 | * | ZincAlloy did that as well |
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| 16:47:21 | Nico_P | mcuelenaere: CONFIG_USBOTG == USBOTG_ISP1583 isn't very explicit as ZVM-specific code |
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| 16:54:43 | mcuelenaere | Nico_P: I try to make the ISP1583 driver cross-platform |
| 16:56:06 | Nico_P | hmm, I should have looked more closely |
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| 17:18:20 | gevaerts | \☺ |
| 17:19:36 | * | gevaerts looks at r17327 |
| 17:20:01 | bertrik | we get signal! |
| 17:21:11 | Nico_P | woohoo!! \o/ |
| 17:21:16 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: congratulations :) |
| 17:21:21 | * | Nico_P tests |
| 17:21:35 | gevaerts | \☺/ |
| 17:22:34 | linuxstb_ | \o/ |
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| 17:24:17 | BigBambi | fuck me |
| 17:24:19 | BigBambi | ooops |
| 17:24:22 | BigBambi | wrong channel |
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| 17:24:33 | BigBambi | I meant to say congrats in here, and that in the other :) |
| 17:24:35 | cas | hello :-) - I would like to know If there is an PC application with gui to install Rockbox... I searched on wiki page but I didn't found.... |
| 17:24:47 | BigBambi | cas: It is called rbutil and linked from the manual |
| 17:25:11 | cas | BigBambi: thank you, I will look at that :-) |
| 17:25:19 | jhMikeS | what's the deal with cabbie using the default WPS? |
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| 17:26:06 | Nico_P | yeah, strange. probably a parse error |
| 17:26:44 | linuxstb_ | Is there a checkwps for the S? |
| 17:27:08 | * | jhMikeS hasn't a clue about that |
| 17:27:21 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: no idea |
| 17:27:30 | * | linuxstb_ answers his own question - yes. |
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| 17:30:28 | Nico_P | Failed parsing on line 15 : unexpected conditional char after token 2: "Unknown token" |
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| 17:31:50 | Nico_P | ha, easy |
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| 17:38:33 | Casainho | I did created a new TWiki page, the "RockboxPlayerPrototypeDevelopmentTools" - but I now think that it should be under "RockboxPlayerPrototype" page... how can/could I do/did that? |
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| 17:46:28 | BigBambi | Casainho: I think you need a wiki admin such as Bagder to move/delete pages |
| 17:46:58 | Casainho | BigBambi: okok... I will wait to someone do that move... thanks. |
| 17:47:05 | linuxstb_ | Casainho: Do you just want to set "RockboxPlayerPrototype" as the parent of your new page? |
| 17:47:25 | Casainho | linuxstb_: yes, is that... |
| 17:47:38 | BigBambi | ah, OK |
| 17:47:40 | linuxstb_ | Then just click on "more" at the bottom of "RockboxPlayerPrototypeDevelopmentTools" and change it |
| 17:48:05 | BigBambi | I isunderstood what you wanted |
| 17:48:11 | BigBambi | *misunderstood |
| 17:48:20 | n1s | congrats jhMikeS! truly great work :) |
| 17:48:40 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: Congratulations, did I miss the "gentlemen we have sound" mail? :) |
| 17:49:52 | Casainho | done! Thanks :-) :-) |
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| 17:53:49 | saratoga | anyone here familar enough with the gigabeat S hardware to give me advice on fixing a broken screen? |
| 17:54:33 | krazykit | toffe82 would be your best bet :). |
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| 17:55:36 | XavierGr | The gigabeast is indeed the loudest target rockbox has (at least it is more loud from all other targets I own) |
| 17:56:13 | saratoga | toffe82: around? |
| 17:56:15 | AceNik | hey guys, anyone thought of kind of using an interface like flash on rockbox, kind of makes the whole thing a little less cpu intensive & more organised |
| 17:56:25 | Nico_P | wow yes it's *loud* |
| 17:57:04 | AceNik | for a fact the ipod nano2 uses flash, its fast & the benefits are it can be customised easily |
| 17:57:05 | Nico_P | AceNik: using flash would make the interface *less* CPU intensive? |
| 17:57:37 | saratoga | the nano doesn't use flash |
| 17:57:43 | Nico_P | you mean flash as in adobe's flash ? |
| 17:58:08 | AceNik | NICO: thats what i belive, since flash would already load a part of its core ont he ram, & others will follow easily, saratoga ? |
| 17:58:34 | AceNik | saratoga: thats what i think it does ?, a flash menu, otherwise that kind of an interface is not possible |
| 17:58:50 | saratoga | i don't think you know what flash is |
| 17:59:02 | Nico_P | I agree with saratoga |
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| 17:59:15 | jhMikeS | XavierGr: no mail sent. just thought I'd get to the point. :) |
| 17:59:19 | AceNik | ok guys then ? what do you think ? |
| 17:59:29 | Nico_P | there is *no way* a flash interface would be less CPU intensive than what we have currently |
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| 17:59:54 | saratoga | i think your idea is both physically impossible and really bad |
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| 18:00:08 | Nico_P | my guess is that there wouldn't even be any cpu left to decode music |
| 18:00:12 | AceNik | Nico: it can be, if a part of the files loaded onto ram |
| 18:00:21 | AceNik | ok my bad then i guess |
| 18:00:27 | Nico_P | AceNik: that argument doesn't make sense |
| 18:00:43 | AceNik | Nico: but then is it possible to code soemwhat an interfae like flash with rockbox |
| 18:00:57 | gevaerts | AceNik: I think you should try to explain what exactly you want to do, not things like 'like flash' |
| 18:01:42 | gevaerts | 'like flash' is either unwanted or extremely vague |
| 18:02:03 | AceNik | how do i work on the interface with rockbox, what kind of files control the main menu, other than themes i cant see any other way, how can i change the menu structure etc |
| 18:02:06 | XavierGr | I know my ears are faulty but this is the only target that I can't listen to it on full volume (on earphones of course). It's starting to hurt at -10db! |
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| 18:02:52 | * | gevaerts hands XavierGr new ears |
| 18:03:01 | linuxstb_ | AceNik: You need to edit the source code (Rockbox is written in C) |
| 18:03:20 | AceNik | linuxstb: which files |
| 18:03:26 | * | XavierGr tries to reattach the new ears. |
| 18:04:18 | linuxstb_ | AceNik: Do you know how to program in C? |
| 18:04:38 | AceNik | linuxstb: yes a little bit |
| 18:05:26 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: you're not planning on working on the keymap, are you? |
| 18:05:51 | linuxstb_ | AceNik: Then you should just download a copy of the Rockbox source, and start familiarising yourself with it. If you have specific questions, I'm sure people will help. |
| 18:07:07 | AceNik | linuxstb: i have the source, have gotten fmailiar with it since quite a while, been patching my builds for my h10[20GB] |
| 18:07:14 | Horscht | XavierGr, wow. |
| 18:07:30 | Horscht | i listen to my music at -20db, and that's loud, imo |
| 18:07:49 | Horscht | (my music is mp3gained, so also quieter than usual |
| 18:08:00 | bertrik | Horscht: on what target? |
| 18:08:11 | Horscht | Ipod Video |
| 18:08:21 | * | Nico_P is at -50 dB on the beast right now |
| 18:08:24 | Horscht | but does that realy make that big a difference? |
| 18:08:55 | Horscht | or am I not interpreting that number correctly? |
| 18:08:56 | AceNik | linuxstb: i want to be able to create a patch or a new interface where the main menu, structure, can be customised along with the theme, currently we dont have that, also menu renders different fonts & styles than the wps, also a menu, that has loads of sub menus as different pages or something |
| 18:08:56 | bertrik | 0 dB is the maximum level that would not distort for a full-range signal on a particular target, doesn't really say much about loudness |
| 18:09:06 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I planned on just passing the buck on that one. |
| 18:09:16 | Horscht | oh, i see now, bertrik |
| 18:09:16 | XavierGr | Horscht: I am not known for my sensitive hearing. :) Right now I am watching elephants dream at -20db on the gigabeast |
| 18:09:16 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I think I'll have a go at it then |
| 18:09:39 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: btw, are doom and rockboy supposed to work? |
| 18:10:07 | n1s | Nico_P: it is very good to have a nice keymap early so that people don't get used to a bad one and start complaining when it changes later :) |
| 18:10:34 | bertrik | it seems a lot of plugins have their own mapping, is that right? |
| 18:10:43 | Nico_P | n1s: I agree. I think I'll start making it a bit more like the F's keymap if noone objects |
| 18:11:24 | XavierGr | Bagder you need to update the current rockbox builds with one more target. :D |
| 18:11:58 | n1s | Nico_P: go! (have never used an F though) :D |
| 18:12:07 | linuxstb_ | XavierGr: We need an installation method first... |
| 18:12:11 | AceNik | So if the gigabeat S is kind of ready, will it work ont he zune too ? |
| 18:12:29 | n1s | AceNik: no |
| 18:12:31 | Nico_P | AceNik: it would if someone knew how to run code on a zune |
| 18:12:39 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I made a keymap for the remaining stock plugins but mostly a cut & paste of the F ones (anything "A" = "Play") |
| 18:12:50 | n1s | what Nico_P said ^ :) |
| 18:13:00 | XavierGr | linuxstb_: ah yes it is a bit tricky at the moment |
| 18:13:03 | AceNik | but from what i read ont he forums, both the players have the same hardware |
| 18:13:27 | krazykit | AceNik, read again. they're similar, but not the same. there's also the issue of trying to run custom code on the zune. |
| 18:13:28 | n1s | AceNik: yes but we can't run any code on the Zune |
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| 18:13:37 | jhMikeS | same chips or literally the same connections? |
| 18:13:41 | Nico_P | AceNik: the difference is that the Zune's firmware encryption doesn't have the same hole as the S' |
| 18:14:35 | n1s | jhMikeS: I don't think anyone knows but I would expect it to be very similar connections because of same chips + same manufacturer + approx same size |
| 18:14:42 | AceNik | Nico: the processor security thing ? |
| 18:15:31 | AceNik | Nico: so its till someone figures how to crack the whole encryption thing ? |
| 18:15:59 | Nico_P | AceNik: AFAIK the firmware is digitally signed to prevent homebrew execution. on the S that scheme had a hole, but that hole is plugged on the zune |
| 18:16:20 | Nico_P | yes, that's it. same thing as with the recent ipods |
| 18:16:21 | toffe82 | saratoga: you have a broken lcd on a S ? |
| 18:16:27 | n1s | Nico_P: do you know the details of the hole and the exploit? |
| 18:16:41 | saratoga | toffe82: yes I got ripped off on ebay |
| 18:16:51 | BigBambi | jhMikeS: Are bass and treble implemented yet? |
| 18:16:58 | Nico_P | n1s: not really, but it's all in mknkboot.c. ZunePet and ptw419 were the ones who found the exploit |
| 18:17:02 | saratoga | i'm wondering if I should buy a bricked gigabeat and try to swap screens |
| 18:17:03 | XavierGr | saratoga: how much did you pay for it? |
| 18:17:11 | toffe82 | it is difficult to find a lcd and buying from toshiba it is 140$ I think |
| 18:17:18 | saratoga | $90 |
| 18:17:23 | Nico_P | n1s: the port thread probably has details too |
| 18:17:23 | * | krazykit has a dead S with a working LCD |
| 18:17:29 | XavierGr | yeah rip-off :( |
| 18:17:38 | | Part AceNik |
| 18:17:54 | jhMikeS | we need this HW eq stuff straightened out to enable that on the 'beast |
| 18:17:58 | toffe82 | try to find one that say message on the screen contact the manufacturer so you are sure that the screen is ok |
| 18:17:59 | saratoga | toffe82: think i could take the LCD out of this unit: http://cgi.ebay.com/Toshiba-Gigabeat-30-GB-White-MES30VW-Needs-Repair_W0QQitemZ300219723208QQihZ020QQcategoryZ73839QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ? |
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| 18:18:12 | saratoga | ah good idea |
| 18:18:33 | saratoga | krazykit: interested in selling it? (or interested in buying the parts to fix it) |
| 18:18:36 | toffe82 | I was looking this one but they don't say if the screen is working |
| 18:18:37 | BigBambi | jhMikeS: OK, I guessed not (I just tried to increase bass and the volume changed, but not the bass that I could tell) |
| 18:19:02 | * | BigBambi is dead chuffed with this |
| 18:19:07 | krazykit | saratoga, yes, which is why i mentioned it :) |
| 18:19:53 | toffe82 | saratoga: this one seems to be working http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=110248678947 |
| 18:20:22 | saratoga | yeah i'm also looking at that one |
| 18:22:40 | toffe82 | jhMikeS: How did you find for the sound ? |
| 18:23:19 | saratoga | krazykit: sent you a message |
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| 18:23:33 | moos | hi there |
| 18:23:43 | jhMikeS | toffe82: disassembly |
| 18:24:02 | moos | jhMikeS: w00t ! |
| 18:24:20 | krazykit | saratoga, i didn't recieve a /msg. are you identified on freenode? |
| 18:24:28 | saratoga | no i'm not |
| 18:24:29 | toffe82 | jhMikeS: nothing with the tracing ? to difficult ? |
| 18:24:32 | saratoga | maybe you could messageme? |
| 18:24:58 | toffe82 | does somebody as the email of low_light ? |
| 18:25:01 | XavierGr | krazykit you can turn on messages for unidentified people |
| 18:28:06 | linuxstb_ | toffe82: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-05/0129.shtml |
| 18:29:05 | toffe82 | thanks |
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| 18:38:24 | saratoga | has anyone run test_codec on the gigabeast yet? |
| 18:40:54 | n1s | hmm, the beast isn't mounting and lsusb is reporting it as "Toshiba Corp. Gigabeat S (mtp)" in the bootloader usb mode |
| 18:41:00 | * | Nico_P thinks he has a nice keymap |
| 18:43:07 | moos | go go go ! |
| 18:44:49 | jhMikeS | toffe82: I recally mentioning that part of the board seems broken. other stuff was traceable wrt codec hookup (to verify the connections). |
| 18:45:27 | toffe82 | one thing on the S, it support the remote BUT, the same contact is also the video output, so it must be checked before use |
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| 18:47:27 | jhMikeS | HP detect isn't really right anyway and hence dealing with the remote. some buttons show the sense we're using for headphone detect goes hi or low depending on the remote button pushed. |
| 18:48:20 | toffe82 | jhMikeS: what I am syaing is that there is a switch to select either the contact as remote or video output |
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| 18:48:39 | Nico_P | which should be stop: long PLAY or short POWER or both? |
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| 18:50:08 | linuxstb_ | Just short POWER IMO |
| 18:50:12 | jhMikeS | I personally prefer long play |
| 18:50:18 | linuxstb_ | ;) |
| 18:50:28 | BigBambi | short power for me |
| 18:50:29 | markun | jhMikeS: great job on the beast! |
| 18:50:32 | toffe82 | jhMikeS: the max9505 make the switch |
| 18:50:39 | jhMikeS | I really dislike setups that use the same button for stop and to back out of menus |
| 18:50:42 | Nico_P | short POWER is what we have on the F |
| 18:50:57 | * | BigBambi is fan of cross target consistency |
| 18:51:08 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: to back out menus I've set the BACK key (and LEFT works too) |
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| 18:51:39 | BigBambi | and given I use the F everyday at the moment, I rather not have a few minor yet annoying quirks between them |
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| 18:52:53 | jhMikeS | change the F :) |
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| 18:53:49 | XavierGr | yeah I have to vote short power for consistency with other targets |
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| 18:53:51 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: And many other targets... |
| 18:53:58 | * | jhMikeS wants a replacement for that awful "window" key |
| 18:54:24 | Nico_P | I think I'll set it to short power. of course we can still discuss this later on |
| 18:54:35 | * | jhMikeS begrudges consistency when he doesn't like what's consistent |
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| 18:55:13 | * | BigBambi likes to be able to pick up any of the targets and once he knows which button is which, they act consistently |
| 18:55:16 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I don't really see what's wrong with power... it's never been used to back out of menus AFAIK |
| 18:55:38 | jhMikeS | it's like the stop on power on e200 where stopping playback or power off from a certain menu back out of the menu |
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| 18:56:05 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: depends if the target is short on buttons |
| 18:56:10 | * | jhMikeS supposes |
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| 18:58:04 | saratoga | to be honest i've been using the e200 for a year and I still don't understand the nauances of its buttons |
| 18:58:43 | * | BigBambi thinks pixelma should commit her c200 changes. The svn keymap is *horrible* |
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| 18:59:11 | * | gevaerts never uses the c200 to control svn |
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| 18:59:15 | saratoga | is there an e200 button that goes back to the WPS? |
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| 19:02:29 | n1s | hmm, my gigabeast bootloader paniced with "Unhandled IRQ -1" |
| 19:03:07 | jhMikeS | try again. it happens to me at times |
| 19:03:43 | bertrik | saratoga: yes, the play button does that (top button) |
| 19:03:51 | * | Nico_P committed the keymap change. please try it out :) |
| 19:03:53 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: it's just that having stop on the S be power puts one playback control way out the way of all the others |
| 19:04:28 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: they're all on the right hand side now |
| 19:04:28 | bertrik | took me a while before I discovered the quickscreen on my e200 :) |
| 19:05:09 | * | jhMikeS has to charge the beast for awhile |
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| 19:09:25 | XavierGr | strange the beast skips frames on elephants dream (320*240) in certain scenes |
| 19:10:08 | saratoga | i assume all the display hardware acceleration isn't implemented yet |
| 19:10:32 | BigBambi | IIRC it is running at 50% CPU too |
| 19:10:57 | jhMikeS | I think there's 1) core voltage issues (the current ATA driver just loads up 100% cpu) that cause those spurious interrupts 2) no dma of any sort yet |
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| 19:11:32 | Davide-NYC | Hello all! |
| 19:11:33 | jhMikeS | assembly code also needs to be written to keep the piplines full |
| 19:11:38 | XavierGr | nice to hear that this thing has more juice in it |
| 19:11:52 | BigBambi | It is a beast :) |
| 19:12:07 | BigBambi | 532 MHz, FPU, hardware display acceleration, .... |
| 19:12:26 | Davide-NYC | what target are you guys talking about? |
| 19:12:31 | XavierGr | gigabeat s |
| 19:12:32 | saratoga | i'm betting it breaks a 1000% playback speed on MP3 easily |
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| 19:12:46 | Nico_P | saratoga: test_codec? |
| 19:12:47 | BigBambi | gigabeat S aka gigabeast aka the beast :) |
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| 19:12:55 | Davide-NYC | at what point is the porting? |
| 19:13:07 | Nico_P | Davide-NYC: audio playback came just today :) |
| 19:13:09 | BigBambi | Since a few minutes ago it plays sound |
| 19:13:14 | saratoga | Nico_P: yeah |
| 19:13:19 | Davide-NYC | CRIPES! Buying one. |
| 19:13:22 | gevaerts | So it's now entirely done :) |
| 19:13:22 | Nico_P | impressive |
| 19:13:30 | Davide-NYC | Congrats!!! |
| 19:13:37 | saratoga | i'm speculating (I don't have a working gigabeast yet) |
| 19:13:46 | * | BigBambi points at jhMikeS for praise |
| 19:14:11 | * | XavierGr praises jhmikes that tamed the beast!! |
| 19:14:15 | Nico_P | saratoga: ah, right. I'll try to test a bit later |
| 19:14:24 | saratoga | 2000% might be possible if anyone felt like putting the ARMv5 DSP asm into the decoders |
| 19:14:25 | * | Davide-NYC has been lavishing praise on jhmikes for years and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. |
| 19:14:31 | saratoga | though maybe thats just silly :) |
| 19:14:50 | * | Nico_P takes his beast shopping |
| 19:15:10 | gevaerts | Can the beast run doom without interrupting playback ? |
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| 19:15:26 | saratoga | it should be able to, theres no IRAM problems |
| 19:15:27 | Davide-NYC | question: does anyone have an opinion on the DC offsett seen in recordings made by sansa C2x0 targets? |
| 19:15:43 | n1s | saratoga: rockbox is being ported to other targets that can use arm v5 instructions :) |
| 19:15:54 | Nico_P | gevaerts: last time I tried, doom didn't work |
| 19:15:56 | jhMikeS | doom uses the audio hardware though |
| 19:16:01 | saratoga | n1s: yeah but they're all too fast to care about mp3 optimization i think |
| 19:16:14 | jhMikeS | and the buffer |
| 19:16:14 | gevaerts | It could go via a mixer |
| 19:16:27 | gevaerts | Nico_P: that might be an issue :) |
| 19:16:33 | saratoga | oh i was assuming he meant with the doom sound disabled |
| 19:16:34 | BigBambi | pulse? |
| 19:16:40 | n1s | saratoga: faster -> longer batterytime so imho it's still a good idea |
| 19:16:57 | BigBambi | gevaerts: You going to port pulse audio then? :) |
| 19:17:05 | jhMikeS | there's a whole new DSP instruction set to use too :) |
| 19:17:15 | saratoga | n1s: i doubt the difference between 800% and 1200% realtime really helps with battery life much |
| 19:17:33 | * | gevaerts reminds BigBambi that he doesn't have a beast ;) |
| 19:17:37 | saratoga | though it will be welcome for mpegplayer and faac |
| 19:17:46 | BigBambi | gevaerts: Otherwise, no problem :) |
| 19:18:25 | gevaerts | BigBambi: there might be other reasons as well :) |
| 19:18:26 | n1s | saratoga: there are a few decoders that aren't that fat like mac for example |
| 19:18:46 | saratoga | ah yes MAC |
| 19:19:27 | saratoga | the S has the VFP extensions right? |
| 19:19:33 | n1s | yes |
| 19:19:43 | saratoga | are they FP only or can they do Integer ops in vector too? |
| 19:19:47 | jhMikeS | VFP + SIMD |
| 19:20:17 | jhMikeS | and Java as well in case we want to go there ;) |
| 19:20:22 | n1s | the SIMD stuff is standard in v5 and higher, right? |
| 19:20:34 | saratoga | its not stardard in any arm flavor i think |
| 19:20:59 | saratoga | though the dsp stuff might be standard in v5 or v6 |
| 19:21:34 | jhMikeS | http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/DDI0211J_arm1136_r1p5_trm.pdf |
| 19:22:35 | saratoga | ohh pipeline diamgrams |
| 19:23:42 | n1s | ah, SIMD is standard in v6 and the dsp stuff came in v5TE |
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| 19:26:10 | markun | jhMikeS: have you looked into USB on the beast yet? |
| 19:26:54 | jhMikeS | markun: we have bl USB mode now :) |
| 19:27:09 | * | linuxstb_ thinks markun has some catching up to do ;) |
| 19:27:58 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: for user friendly USB I guess we need to hot-fix the bootable flags and the visibility of the first partition. Is there more ? |
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| 19:29:52 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: not that I know of? changing them was all that's needed for linux, correct? |
| 19:30:01 | gevaerts | Yes |
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| 19:30:34 | * | jhMikeS wonders about just adding a filter layer (for more reasons than just that) |
| 19:30:53 | * | gevaerts worries about complexity |
| 19:31:41 | gevaerts | This is all just sector zero, which is simple to do. A real filter layer would also allow exporting part of a block device, so you need remapping |
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| 19:31:59 | jhMikeS | It would be kept neatly out of the way so no lines of code would be added for other devices. like read/write_sectors_filtered which just map to nonfiltered versions on other targets. |
| 19:33:20 | * | gevaerts looks at the source to get an idea of the complexity |
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| 19:36:09 | * | gevaerts finds that it's complex enough to get disconnected |
| 19:36:24 | moos | hehe :) |
| 19:37:30 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: it's probably simple enough to be doable. It just needs a different block_count at the start of handle_scsi() and an offset in the ata read and write functions |
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| 19:38:12 | jhMikeS | well, as far as "complexity" goes, I don't think I'm holding back on this port. the lcd driver will need to be able to use multiple framebuffers in order to use the IPU+graphics functions and so nothing will get in the way of using the hardware fully. |
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| 19:39:28 | gevaerts | Of course doing the remapping the easy way will get you a partitionless device, i.e. only the filesystem. |
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| 19:41:33 | * | gevaerts is thinking about the best way to handle this. We always need the data partition, we sometimes need the firmware partition, and we rarely need the entire disk |
| 19:41:35 | jhMikeS | I'd like to hide the bootloader partition unless it's intended to be displayed |
| 19:42:20 | linuxstb | Couldn't we just make the partition table read-only, and fake the partition type so OSes don't mount it? |
| 19:42:39 | linuxstb | i.e. keep the geometry the same. |
| 19:42:48 | gevaerts | There are two ways to do that : (1) export only the data partition (i.e. a smaller block device), and (2) make the partition of type '0' (empty). |
| 19:43:19 | jhMikeS | as long as it's done without actually modifying the disk itself I"m happy |
| 19:43:25 | gevaerts | If we go for (2), I suggest that we also fake the bootable flags |
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| 19:44:05 | gevaerts | (2) would be purely in software. The beast doesn't boot if you try to do this on disk |
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| 19:44:43 | * | gevaerts is undecided |
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| 19:45:13 | gevaerts | What happens if we patch the partition table in transit and the user runs fdisk ? |
| 19:48:28 | gevaerts | My proposal would be to have three modes : |
| 19:48:32 | jhMikeS | as in changing the partition table we're filtering? I had though about it and it will have to be watched and cached info kept synced. |
| 19:48:58 | gevaerts | (1) (normal mode) Only show the data partition, remapped so the host sees nothing else |
| 19:49:39 | gevaerts | (2) (bootloader upgrade mode) Show both partitions, remapped as two LUNs so the host sees two disks, but still no partition table |
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| 19:49:52 | gevaerts | (3) (expert recovery mode) Show the entire disk |
| 19:50:21 | gevaerts | (3) is implemented now :) |
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| 19:51:55 | jhMikeS | of couse we know users will insist on abusing (3) just to do nasty things to the disk and cause endless support headaches :) |
| 19:52:18 | linuxstb | gevaerts: That's what I meant with "make the partition table read-only" - i.e. any attempt by the host OS to repartition will fail. |
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| 19:52:42 | gevaerts | The user will of course need to type 'Yes, I know what I'm doing' on the rockbox virtual keyboard :) |
| 19:54:41 | gevaerts | linuxstb: we need to either make it fail silently (i.e. ignore the write), or return an error. Returning an error will be nasty, and I don't like failing silently as I don't know how different OSes will handle that |
| 19:54:43 | jhMikeS | The correct answer is of course "no" which then shows the whole disk. |
| 19:55:39 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Why would returning an error be nasty? |
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| 19:56:06 | gevaerts | linuxstb: the host will see that as a normal write error, i.e. a bad sector |
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| 19:56:44 | gevaerts | AFAIK you can't just say 'this is read only' without saying it for the entire disk |
| 19:57:15 | linuxstb | Is this the right list of error codes? http://www.miditemp.com/english/scsiec.html |
| 19:58:41 | gevaerts | It looks about right. There are more, but I think most OSes actually ignore the exact error |
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| 19:59:21 | * | gevaerts refines his proposal. Combine (1) and (2) and always show two disks, only usually the firmware disk is ejected |
| 19:59:31 | linuxstb | I would be interested to know how OSes deal with them... e.g. DATA PROTECT would seem applicable. |
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| 20:00:11 | webguest16 | hey im having some issues with rockbox on my e200, its with the sound settings |
| 20:00:35 | webguest16 | hello? |
| 20:00:45 | linuxstb | webguest16: Just ask your question. |
| 20:00:55 | advcomp2019 | webguest16, what kind of issue |
| 20:02:01 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: the keymap seems to work nicely |
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| 20:02:10 | gevaerts | linuxstb: It would be the applicable one, but from my reading of the specs it still applies to the entire medium |
| 20:02:30 | bertrik | pff, he left already :( |
| 20:02:52 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: thanks |
| 20:03:18 | saratoga | what happens if someone formats the firmware partition? would it require an ata adapter to fix? |
| 20:03:30 | Nico_P | I don't think so |
| 20:03:37 | n1s | Nico_P: I like it too, everything so far is as i expected them to be :) |
| 20:04:35 | Nico_P | saratoga: I think the player would just ask the user for a new firmware |
| 20:05:16 | gevaerts | What if someone formats it as ntfs or hfs+ ? Would it still recover from that ? |
| 20:05:33 | * | gevaerts thinks of actual c250 recovery support questions |
| 20:05:47 | Nico_P | from what I've understood so far, it would reformat it and ask for an update |
| 20:06:12 | saratoga | so it sounds like protecting the firmware partition isn't a big deal |
| 20:06:38 | * | Nico_P warns he hasn't verified his claims |
| 20:06:40 | linuxstb | Someone should test ;) |
| 20:07:26 | * | jhMikeS elects toffee82 |
| 20:07:45 | * | linuxstb was going to vote for GodEater, as he isn't here |
| 20:07:53 | saratoga | if you can just repartition and reinstall rockbox, it seems like protecting the firmware partition beyond hiding it by default is silly |
| 20:08:04 | * | jhMikeS forgot to use tab completion again :0 |
| 20:08:40 | jhMikeS | no passwords? |
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| 20:09:12 | gevaerts | saratoga: hiding by default is fine, it's just that this requires lying about the partition table which _may_ cause trouble if the host writes to that |
| 20:09:13 | linuxstb | saratoga: It's not just a safety issue - the firmware partition is just a normal FAT32 partition (which isn't normally visible with the OF), so it could confuse users to see it. |
| 20:09:37 | linuxstb | Does the OF refuse to boot if we change the partition type? |
| 20:09:47 | linuxstb | (of the firmware partition) |
| 20:09:54 | gevaerts | Yes |
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| 20:10:09 | gevaerts | Someone tried, I don't remember who |
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| 20:10:39 | gevaerts | That's the main reason (IMHO) to not just fix it on the disk |
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| 20:15:06 | Mouser_X | I realize I'm a little late, but AWESOME NEWS! on audio for the beast! |
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| 20:15:25 | Mouser_X | jhMikeS: Thanks! Now I need to get a bigger battery... |
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| 20:16:42 | n1s | jhMikeS: any reason not to turn low battery shutdown on now that battery reading works? |
| 20:16:56 | jhMikeS | correct battery capacity selection will be important since changing is software controlled and uses current sense (though the current PM code isn't very friendly to what has to be done) |
| 20:17:17 | jhMikeS | n1s: maybe get some idea of the correct curve first? |
| 20:17:58 | n1s | ok, will do a battery bench |
| 20:18:12 | gevaerts | I think some kind of abstraction layer between UMS and ata_* would be a good idea anyway. Once that's done it will be easy to experiment with all sorts of wild ideas |
| 20:20:27 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: I plan on a full DMA ata driver and possibly DMA-ing usb transfers (almost) directly to the disk. Would anything preclude that? |
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| 20:21:38 | jhMikeS | the disk debug screen needs to show more than PIO modes nowadays |
| 20:22:17 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: depends. Direct transfers from the usb controller to the ata controller won't work with the current architecture, but you get a 16k block of RAM that either has to be filled from disk or written to disk |
| 20:22:30 | gevaerts | How you do that disk transfer is up to you |
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| 20:24:37 | * | gevaerts isn't sure if direct ata-usb transfers would be allowed. It's not clear what should happen if a USB transfer doesn't complete |
| 20:25:28 | Mouser_X | I say "If transfer doesn't completel, detonate the device." |
| 20:25:42 | Mouser_X | At least this way it's clear as to what happens. |
| 20:25:56 | jhMikeS | the DMA is a RISC-core based programmable controller so it's not the usual setup |
| 20:26:53 | BigBambi | This thing really is mental |
| 20:26:55 | gevaerts | For reading direct ata to usb transfers should not cause any correctness issues |
| 20:28:23 | gevaerts | On the other hand, I don't think it's actually possible to do device to device dma with the iMX31 usb controller. |
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| 20:36:35 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: true, I don't see it in the SDMA event list |
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| 20:37:03 | spotUP | i am sure this question gets asked all the time, but i am confused =) |
| 20:37:11 | spotUP | does rockbox work on this: |
| 20:37:12 | spotUP | http://image1.play-asia.com/170/5z/pa.107687.1.jpg |
| 20:37:16 | spotUP | ipod yet? |
| 20:37:29 | spotUP | i used and loved it on my old ipod, but it got stolen grr |
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| 20:39:02 | spotUP | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NsNZqZ6ECI |
| 20:39:12 | spotUP | that video seems to suggest it does? |
| 20:39:43 | spotUP | hmm nope |
| 20:39:48 | spotUP | wrong nano |
| 20:40:27 | n1s | that's a 3g and rockbox doesn't work on it |
| 20:40:38 | spotUP | aha |
| 20:40:48 | spotUP | anyone working on 3g support? |
| 20:41:01 | spotUP | is it possible? |
| 20:41:13 | n1s | no ones working on it |
| 20:41:21 | Mouser_X | Possible, yes. Working on it, no. |
| 20:41:34 | spotUP | ok too bad :/ |
| 20:41:39 | Mouser_X | (In other words, it can be done, but no one has any idea how to yet.) |
| 20:41:44 | spotUP | aha |
| 20:41:50 | faemir | spotUP: apple refurb have some of the old gen nanos afaik |
| 20:42:03 | spotUP | i think i'll wait |
| 20:42:17 | faemir | Don't hold your breath. |
| 20:42:17 | spotUP | someone hack it one day =) |
| 20:42:22 | spotUP | +will |
| 20:42:23 | Mouser_X | patience is a virtue which spotUP seems to have. |
| 20:42:33 | spotUP | indeed =) |
| 20:42:41 | spotUP | i am an amiga user, i used to waiting |
| 20:42:47 | spotUP | +am |
| 20:42:47 | Mouser_X | lol |
| 20:42:57 | spotUP | i am skipping words today haha hung over |
| 20:43:25 | spotUP | does rockboys support hively tracker yet? |
| 20:43:34 | spotUP | hively tracker is a tracker me and a friend did |
| 20:43:41 | spotUP | ( www.hivelytracker.com ) |
| 20:43:54 | spotUP | it's an enhanced ahx clone |
| 20:44:05 | spotUP | if that means anything to you guys =) |
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| 20:44:28 | Mouser_X | No idea. I've never heard of it. I assume this means no. |
| 20:44:30 | spotUP | hahah wtf rockbox=rockbox |
| 20:44:45 | spotUP | uhm |
| 20:44:48 | spotUP | i give up =) |
| 20:44:51 | orang1 | What state is USB hosting/"on the go" at? I would like to connect a usb keyboard to my sansa e200. |
| 20:45:04 | Mouser_X | orang1: None whatsoever. |
| 20:45:16 | Mouser_X | USB transfer is still being worked on. |
| 20:45:31 | Mouser_X | (Let alone host.) |
| 20:45:34 | gevaerts | orang1: as far as we know the e200 does not provide the required 5V for usb host |
| 20:45:48 | orang1 | So that compatability would not be possible? |
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| 20:47:29 | gevaerts | Maybe it's possible if you find an external 5V supply, but even then I'm not sure if the usb signals get there |
| 20:48:14 | Mouser_X | That'd be interesting. A battery powered USB keyboard. |
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| 20:48:34 | orang1 | I would like to help work on USB transfer and usb on the go, is the guide for writing plugins a good place to start? |
| 20:48:44 | gevaerts | Not really |
| 20:49:11 | orang1 | The source carries battery powered usb keyboards, the membrane ones. |
| 20:49:58 | gevaerts | The keyboard doesn't need to be battery-powerd as-such (it probably does, for other reasons). The problem is that the usb bus itself needs 5V |
| 20:50:10 | Mouser_X | Ah... |
| 20:50:22 | * | Mouser_X was unaware of this limitation. |
| 20:50:41 | Mouser_X | What about Llorean's wonky USB hub that seems to provide power to the host? |
| 20:50:56 | gevaerts | That one might work :) |
| 20:50:59 | Mouser_X | (That is, IIUC, that's what it appears to do.) |
| 20:51:18 | Mouser_X | Heh. That'd be fun to play with. |
| 20:51:27 | Mouser_X | (In this usage, that is.) |
| 20:51:35 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: what percentage is the DAC driver at? |
| 20:51:50 | Nico_P | (I'd like to update the beast port wiki page) |
| 20:54:41 | spotUP | bye! |
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| 20:59:54 | Delaney | rock box doesnt work with 6g does it |
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| 21:00:10 | saratoga | check the front page |
| 21:00:20 | saratoga | theres a handy list there |
| 21:01:12 | Delaney | guess not |
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| 21:02:06 | * | n1s battery benches |
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| 21:02:45 | n1s | bets are on! |
| 21:02:54 | * | n1s bets 10h |
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| 21:09:27 | bertrik | speaking of battery bench, I think it needed fixing because it uses a soon-to-be-deprecated ata_disk_is_active function |
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| 21:19:38 | n1s | bertrik: don't we have some kind of callback system for when the disk is spun? |
| 21:19:43 | * | Nico_P wonders why there aren't any playback bug reports ATM |
| 21:19:54 | n1s | Nico_P: very odd :) |
| 21:19:55 | Nico_P | n1s: we have one |
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| 21:20:05 | Nico_P | n1s: I've seen a few |
| 21:20:37 | Nico_P | I need to go visit the forums |
| 21:21:02 | n1s | I got some very short crackling in track transitions on my h300 once in a while the last couple of weeks but it is so unreliable now that I can't test |
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| 21:21:34 | Nico_P | I plead non guilty on that :) |
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| 21:21:56 | n1s | it was the lovely "happens sometimes" kind :) |
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| 21:34:35 | bertrik | n1s: yes, I think the idea is to install an ata_notify_idle callback (or something similar named) to notify the battery bench plugin when the disk is spun up and done with other (main) tasks. In this callback we can flush the battery measurements buffer. At least that's what I think is supposed to happen. |
| 21:34:43 | Falco98 | so... |
| 21:35:02 | Falco98 | since when do the forum mods just go in and remove messages at random from threads? |
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| 21:36:53 | Mouser_X | Depends on a few factors, but I always thought it was "This is new?" |
| 21:37:14 | Mouser_X | (As in, haven't they always done that? :P ) |
| 21:39:30 | n1s | Falco98: i hardly think they do it at random |
| 21:40:45 | Falco98 | meh |
| 21:41:13 | bertrik | n1s: I may have a look at battery bench tomorrow when jdgordon has woken up (I think he asked for volunteers :) ) |
| 21:41:33 | Falco98 | i was following a slightly-divergent (but not o/t) undercurrent in a long thread last night, and today i've found that the posts pertaining to that have been obliterated without warning or explanation |
| 21:42:15 | * | gevaerts finds the thread in question... |
| 21:42:23 | gevaerts | How was that not off-topic ? |
| 21:42:32 | n1s | Falco98: which thread? |
| 21:42:36 | * | gevaerts also adds that he was not the deleter... |
| 21:43:43 | Falco98 | the rockboxPlayer thread |
| 21:43:51 | gevaerts | n1s: unless I'm mistaken it was the "what does bootlegger mean" subthread of the rockbox player thread |
| 21:43:56 | Falco98 | 6751 |
| 21:44:09 | Falco98 | yeah that's it |
| 21:44:56 | Falco98 | well, it was pertaining to audio-inputs |
| 21:44:59 | Falco98 | which is relevant |
| 21:45:31 | Falco98 | and it's not like a flamewar had broken out which was taking over the thread, parts of the posts were still on-topic in a stricter sense |
| 21:46:18 | Bagder | the rockbox player thread contains everything these days |
| 21:46:43 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 21:47:05 | Mouser_X | Bagder: Any chance we'll see Gigabeat S builds in the "Current Build" section soon? |
| 21:47:43 | Mouser_X | (Though, due to a lack of a good bootloader installation method on Windows, I can understand why there isn't one available yet). |
| 21:48:48 | Bagder | well, I could add it anytime I've just not got a request |
| 21:48:52 | n1s | Mouser_X: the linux install method is hardly user friendly either |
| 21:49:16 | n1s | I think we should wait untill we have that sorted and a manual |
| 21:49:26 | Mouser_X | It's far, far better than the Windows method. |
| 21:49:41 | * | Mouser_X tried the Windows method, and gave up. |
| 21:49:47 | * | bertrik agrees with n1s but doesn't really have a say in it |
| 21:49:51 | Mouser_X | (It never once worked for me.) |
| 21:50:26 | Bagder | also, is the manual for the S working? |
| 21:50:46 | Mouser_X | I think LambdaCalculus was working on it. |
| 21:50:54 | n1s | yeah he was/is |
| 21:51:38 | n1s | it doesn't work yet, no platform file |
| 21:54:07 | BigBambi | Falco98: I removed those posts, as an argument about the nature of bootlegging is entirely non-relevant to the Rockbox player thread |
| 21:54:18 | BigBambi | Or indeed taping |
| 21:55:21 | BigBambi | The posts I removed were not the ones about wanting what inputs, but an argument about the ethics of recording shows |
| 21:56:29 | BigBambi | The New Ports forum specifically says it is for development discussion. |
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| 21:58:18 | BigBambi | The Rockbox Player thread is already well out of hand, I cleaned up the latest raft of irrelevancies |
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| 22:05:25 | linuxstb | Is dual-booting working on the S? |
| 22:05:48 | BigBambi | yes |
| 22:06:05 | linuxstb | But it requires an OF nk.bin to patch? |
| 22:06:10 | BigBambi | but you need to patch an original nk.bin with the bootloader.gin produced when building the bootloader |
| 22:06:26 | BigBambi | bootloader.bin of course :) |
| 22:06:33 | linuxstb | Is that nk.bin easily available? |
| 22:06:36 | BigBambi | Sort of |
| 22:06:44 | BigBambi | You can't get it from the player |
| 22:06:58 | BigBambi | But there is a link to it hosted somewhere or other on the wiki |
| 22:07:35 | BigBambi | linuxstb: Are you looking for it? |
| 22:07:44 | | Quit Horschti ("I got raided by the FBI and all i got is this lousy quit message") |
| 22:07:51 | BigBambi | As in would you like a DCC? |
| 22:08:00 | linuxstb | No, I'm just wondering what the official install method will be. |
| 22:08:04 | BigBambi | aha |
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| 22:08:07 | linuxstb | I have a copy of it somewhere already. |
| 22:08:17 | BigBambi | Well it depends if we want to dual boot of course |
| 22:08:42 | linuxstb | s/we/the user/ ... |
| 22:08:51 | BigBambi | But if so, I imagine you having to source it somewhere and provide it to the installer |
| 22:08:58 | BigBambi | As we can hardly distribute it |
| 22:09:17 | linuxstb | If possible we should make the default installation dual-boot. |
| 22:09:36 | Mouser_X | Is charging for the S supported in Rockbox? If it is, I've seen no indication of it charging. |
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| 22:09:46 | BigBambi | I agree, but it is going to be tricky - unlike the irivers it isn't even available from Toshiba |
| 22:09:53 | BigBambi | Mouser_X: I don't think so |
| 22:09:55 | BigBambi | yet |
| 22:10:02 | Mouser_X | That's what I thought. |
| 22:10:22 | saratoga22 | it sounds like you'd have to install rockbox, and then mount the S in rockbox USB mode to get at the retail firmware |
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| 22:10:54 | BigBambi | But you have to overwrite the OF nk.bin with the Rockbox bootloader to use the bootloader |
| 22:10:57 | Mouser_X | saratoga22: The problem with that is that installing the bootloader will (I think) overwrite the existing firmware file. |
| 22:11:08 | Mouser_X | BigBambi beat me to it. |
| 22:11:16 | BigBambi | :) |
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| 22:15:20 | n1s | Mouser_X: rockbox doesn't handle charging yet but I think the pmic does a stand alone low current trickle charge without being configured |
| 22:15:58 | Mouser_X | Hmmm. |
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| 22:17:22 | saratoga22 | where did the wiki get the nk.bin from then? |
| 22:17:43 | BigBambi | I believe it was extracted from a hacked updater or something similar |
| 22:17:50 | BigBambi | Nico_P is your man I think |
| 22:18:07 | saratoga22 | can the updater be downloaded from toshiba? |
| 22:18:27 | BigBambi | I don't know |
| 22:18:33 | Nico_P | saratoga22: I'm not sure where the original nk.bin came from. the updater is a hacked version of the one for the V |
| 22:19:00 | Nico_P | maybe the nk.bin is the one for the V. they're pretty much identical AFAIK |
| 22:19:02 | BigBambi | I'm going to stop talking now as I'm in danger of talking rubbish :) |
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| 22:22:28 | linuxstb | Didn't someone plug the S's drive into an ipod video and copy the files? |
| 22:23:59 | Nico_P | yes, I think someone did that |
| 22:24:08 | Nico_P | the port thread probably has answers |
| 22:25:16 | n1s | the first install that requires another dap! :P |
| 22:25:25 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
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| 22:34:07 | amiconn | JdGordon|zzz: Interesting deltas... |
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| 22:43:09 | toffe82 | the nk.bin come from a direct copy of the file from the disk |
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| 22:46:35 | BigBambi | toffe82: Via a caddy or ipod? |
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| 22:49:33 | saratoga22 | since it looks like toshiba does not distribute any firmware update at all, dual booting may be out of the question for people who don't want to open their gigabeat |
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| 22:49:48 | BigBambi | officially |
| 22:49:59 | BigBambi | or easily rather |
| 22:50:15 | bluebrother | saratoga22: was it you who was interested in Rockbox on the DS? |
| 22:50:24 | saratoga22 | marginally so |
| 22:50:34 | saratoga22 | i looked at the DS linux stuff briefly last summer |
| 22:51:17 | bluebrother | well, I was thinking about getting one of those cards that allows running own code. I fear I won't have the time for it but maybe porting Rockbox would come up eventually |
| 22:51:53 | saratoga22 | it'd be a pretty easy port |
| 22:52:02 | saratoga22 | everything is documented and theres GPLed code for it all |
| 22:52:44 | bluebrother | hmm. Anything to look for regarding those modules? |
| 22:53:53 | saratoga22 | i don't remember offhand |
| 22:53:59 | saratoga22 | i think i looked at the dslinux source |
| 22:54:13 | saratoga22 | or maybe one of the DS homebrew sdks |
| 22:54:28 | saratoga22 | anyone seen this before: " Error at entry 12 in entries file for 'apps/codecs/libwma'" |
| 22:54:34 | saratoga22 | when trying to run svn |
| 22:54:52 | krazykit | there is a port of scummvm for DS, so you could build the sim for the DS |
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| 22:55:11 | krazykit | meaning SDL building should be documented for DS. |
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| 22:55:44 | bluebrother | the scummvm port doesn't use SDL from what I read on their page. |
| 22:56:00 | saratoga22 | since the DS is a (slow) ARM target i don't think you'd want to |
| 22:56:15 | saratoga22 | it makes the Ipods seem quick, aside from its fast display hardware |
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| 22:58:14 | bluebrother | ok. At least that's a point to start looking at code. |
| 22:58:53 | linuxstb | What storage is available on a DS? |
| 22:59:04 | Llorean | linuxstb: Flash adapters. |
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| 22:59:44 | linuxstb | Proprietory ones? |
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| 22:59:51 | saratoga22 | depending on what you buy you can use SD, microsd or Compact flash |
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| 23:00:33 | BigBambi | moos: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080416#12:55:27 |
| 23:00:39 | Llorean | With a current SVN bootloader, my GigabeatS is not booting. |
| 23:00:58 | moos | BigBambi: thx internet troubls :( |
| 23:01:06 | linuxstb | Is that adapter enough for you to be able to run your own code, or do you need something else? |
| 23:01:10 | BigBambi | Llorean: I updated mine maybe five versions ago and it was OK |
| 23:01:15 | BigBambi | What's the issue? |
| 23:01:16 | saratoga22 | teh adapter is enough |
| 23:01:27 | saratoga22 | although some have better support for homebrew then others |
| 23:01:30 | BigBambi | BigBambi: And is it patched or clean? |
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| 23:01:43 | saratoga22 | also, running svn up corrupted all three of my SVN folders just now |
| 23:01:47 | * | amiconn looked up what DS means, and its specs |
| 23:01:56 | saratoga22 | no one else had trouble? |
| 23:02:06 | amiconn | The main core should be effectively about the same speed as one PP core |
| 23:02:07 | Llorean | BigBambi: Bootloader and bootloader USB works, but it won't boot Rockbox. No error mesage |
| 23:02:29 | linuxstb | The DS would be the first target with wifi... |
| 23:02:50 | BigBambi | Llorean: Weirdodd |
| 23:03:03 | * | Llorean can't test any more now. |
| 23:03:03 | amiconn | It's clocked somewhat lower, but it's arm9 instead of arm7tdmi |
| 23:03:03 | BigBambi | Llorean: Was it a dual boot? |
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| 23:04:20 | linuxstb | saratoga22: SVN seems fine for me... |
| 23:04:37 | saratoga22 | any ideas what "Error at entry 17 in entries file for 'apps/codecs/libwma':" would mean? |
| 23:04:45 | saratoga22 | i'm getting it on any copy of SVN i try to update |
| 23:04:56 | saratoga22 | one from this week and one from last year both ended up with it |
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| 23:05:20 | linuxstb | Have you looked at that entries file? |
| 23:05:27 | linuxstb | (in the .svn directory) |
| 23:06:51 | bertrik | If you haven't made any custom changes in the libwma directory, you can just delete it and svn update it again |
| 23:07:36 | saratoga22 | i tried that but it just gums up SVN even worse |
| 23:08:08 | bertrik | weird, I just did that and it came back fine |
| 23:08:26 | saratoga22 | ah that time it worked |
| 23:08:52 | * | amiconn already has the first bug report for the new quickscreen |
| 23:09:08 | amiconn | The status bar isn't redrawn |
| 23:09:31 | amiconn | ...so that the virtual disk icon doesn't work properly |
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| 23:22:44 | saratoga22 | Bagder: around? |
| 23:22:48 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:23:17 | saratoga22 | that other UMS mode on teh V2 Sansa c200 seems odd to me |
| 23:23:41 | saratoga22 | it sounds like the firmware update mode described in the AMS datasheet |
| 23:24:10 | saratoga22 | was there some reason no one else seems to think this that I missed |
| 23:24:37 | Bagder | I don't think anyone checked those parts of the data sheet and compared with that info |
| 23:24:42 | Bagder | I certainly haven't... |
| 23:25:20 | linuxstb | I looked at that last night, but thought it odd that there were files already in that partition... Someone still needs to work out how to use it though. |
| 23:25:31 | saratoga22 | the datasheet says if you hold a certain button during power up with the USB plugged in while off, you get the firmware update mode built into the AMS chip's room |
| 23:26:00 | saratoga22 | and since that mode shows you files hidden by the Sandisk UMS mode, I assume its not the same code running |
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| 23:32:34 | * | amiconn thinks that the new quickscreen is way better than the old svn one, and even better than the first viewported try, but the vertical layout is a bit weird |
| 23:32:54 | Bagder | saratoga22: it just seems a bit odd that it would show some of the files seemingly in both modes then |
| 23:33:21 | amiconn | Depending on font size and screen size, the left & right items either end up unexpecteldy high, or unexpectedly low |
| 23:34:24 | Llorean | BigBambi: I tried it with and without dual boot. |
| 23:34:27 | * | Llorean is gone again |
| 23:34:34 | BigBambi | Hit and run :) |
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| 23:42:17 | * | amiconn notices that bertrik fixed the M3 yellow... |
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| 23:50:47 | saratoga22 | Bagder: what do you mean? |
| 23:51:49 | Bagder | is it the "Special Mode" (the term used on my v2 page) you're talking about? |
| 23:52:10 | saratoga22 | Bagder: yes |
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| 23:53:50 | linuxstb | saratoga22: Your commit was full of tabs... |
| 23:54:44 | saratoga22 | ugh i went through and remoed them using gedit, but I guess it rewrote them when i hit save |
| 23:54:49 | Bagder | saratoga22: is that AMS mode supposed to be plain usb-storage with some magic powers? |
| 23:55:48 | saratoga22 | i don't have the device to try it on, but i understood it to be UMS mode that showed a couple uninteresting binary files |
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| 23:56:01 | saratoga22 | while the OF showed the same thing but with a few of those files hidden |
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| 23:56:17 | linuxstb | Bagder: Yes, that's how the datasheet describes it. Search for "usb promer"... (I've no idea what that means) |
| 23:56:33 | saratoga22 | which sounds like the AMS update mode to me |
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| 23:57:35 | saratoga22 | i wonder if anyone tried it on an m200 |
| 23:57:46 | saratoga22 | they're only about $15, so I wouldn't mind bricking one |
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