| 00:00:09 | Nico_P | the playback behaviour isn't change |
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| 00:00:48 | Nico_P | well, yes and no... |
| 00:01:49 | Nico_P | there are solutions where it doesn't change (changing how the WPS accesses the value, as I explained), but I would prefer to make the playlist index be incremented after the actual track change |
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| 00:02:26 | Nico_P | ... which changes the behaviour and fixes another bug (FS #8206) |
| 00:03:22 | amiconn | Well, delaying works for all normal tags, so if you put the index into the id3 struct, the display should be correct. If only the wps reads it from there, playback behaviour shouldn't change at all, unless something really fishy is going on |
| 00:03:58 | amiconn | (i.e. something is reading the value back from the wps, which must never happen imo) |
| 00:07:01 | Nico_P | indeed, changing the display as you say won't affect playback at all, but the playlist will still be out of sync even though it doesn't show in the wps |
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| 00:07:21 | Nico_P | it will show in the playlist viewer and will manifest through FS #8206 |
| 00:11:25 | amiconn | Hmm, never observed 8206 myself. Maybe that's because it's rather unlikely to stop within a 3 second window within a 4..5 minute song by chance |
| 00:13:21 | Nico_P | yeah, it's hard to have it happen by chance |
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| 00:18:10 | amiconn | euh |
| 00:18:22 | * | amiconn just observed a case of repeated last track |
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| 00:20:01 | amiconn | I have no real idea how that happened, but when I thought the album will end soon (last track playing), the playlist position showed 12/13. And then it started playing the last track again, showing 13/13 |
| 00:20:09 | amiconn | The album does have 13 tracks |
| 00:20:51 | amiconn | I guess something went wrong during resume |
| 00:21:40 | Nico_P | :/ |
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| 00:23:14 | amiconn | It's not the very latest svn though, but r17335 |
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| 00:26:38 | Nico_P | I don't think there were any playback changes since then |
| 00:27:06 | Llorean | Is there any way the beginning of rebuffering could cause a problem? I haven't been able to test this at all yet, but I think the last two times I ended up on a song different from what the playlist position should be, the track change happened during a disk spinup. |
| 00:27:13 | Nico_P | I've been waiting for bug reports to come in before making any further iffy changes |
| 00:27:29 | Nico_P | Llorean: on a flash target? |
| 00:27:42 | Llorean | Nico_P: No. Flash targets don't have disk spinups. On my gigabeat. |
| 00:28:01 | Nico_P | hmm yes. *slaps forehead* |
| 00:28:25 | Nico_P | there might be a weakness there |
| 00:28:29 | Llorean | I was referencing his mention of the playlist position differing from the song actually being played, which is, I think, that problem I brought up before. |
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| 00:28:53 | Llorean | It would also explain why it's a *lot* more rare when people let playback occur without manual skips, but still occasionally happens. |
| 00:29:01 | Llorean | By "people" I suppose I mean "me" |
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| 00:46:04 | pixelma | Llorean: you suggest that the track repeats don't (or didn't) happen on flash targets? |
| 00:46:18 | Llorean | pixelma: I didn't intend to suggest that. |
| 00:46:39 | pixelma | hmm... misunderstood then |
| 00:47:06 | Llorean | I merely meant to say that "on the one target I've experienced it on so far, I *think* I've noticed correlation between it occurring and disk spinups happening during track transitions, but have no solid evidence yet" |
| 00:48:18 | amiconn | The problem is to make a synthetic test that makes the problems show up earlier |
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| 00:48:44 | preglow | 140 fps at 48 mhz at 320x240 is quite decent, isn't it? |
| 00:48:50 | amiconn | Much like the wavplay plugin helped me solving the occasional MMC driver hangs on Ondio |
| 00:50:02 | amiconn | wavplay caused way more SPI activity than mp3 playback, both on the MMC SPI and the MAS SPI, hence making the hangs much more likely |
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| 00:50:10 | Nico_P | maybe a plugin could simulate crazy user behaviour and check the results |
| 00:51:01 | Llorean | preglow: Not good enough. :-P |
| 00:51:27 | Llorean | Do you mean 48khz audio? |
| 00:52:08 | pixelma | Llorean: got it now and I could imagine that - if condensed to track change during buffering because I experienced that on my c200 as well (not lately though after Nico_P decided to go back) |
| 00:52:57 | Llorean | pixelma: Unfortunately, I have a very hard time reproducing it without just skipping wildly and hoping. |
| 00:53:47 | pixelma | yeah, never been able to reproduce too |
| 00:53:59 | amiconn | I wonder what happens if you put lots of 2-second files into the playlist on swcodec (i.e. tracks which are shorther than the track transition window) |
| 00:54:26 | Llorean | amiconn: I've actually experienced the problem most with flac files and very large MP3s. |
| 00:54:33 | amiconn | (thinking torture test here) |
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| 00:55:07 | Llorean | Or skipping previous. |
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| 00:57:21 | Nico_P | amiconn: that could become pretty ugly |
| 00:57:43 | amiconn | Llorean: Another torture test would be possible if it more often hits files larger than the buffer: Reduce the audio buffer to 1MB or so, so that it has to rebuffer really often |
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| 01:02:54 | Nico_P | amiconn: I'm not really finding why the splash doesn't show up |
| 01:03:33 | Nico_P | I don't know gui_wps_show at all and it's not exactly easy to follow |
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| 01:07:05 | amiconn | I'll soon know whether it also fails when playing an album from start to end without skipping or stopping+resuming (quite unlikely case for me when listening during the day) |
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| 01:08:46 | amiconn | What I do know that it does work on hwcodec, and there is no ifdef in that function. |
| 01:10:02 | amiconn | It seems that the 3-seconds resume bug is gone though. It seems that I somehow saw the 3-seconds resume and the misssing end-of-list splash as one and the same problem (because both have to do with what happens at the end of a playlist) |
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| 01:25:05 | Nico_P | wow gdb is really acting weird |
| 01:27:15 | amiconn | The splash is also missing when playing an album from start to end. |
| 01:27:19 | amiconn | (on H180) |
| 01:29:22 | Nico_P | ah, I've gotten it to show! :) |
| 01:30:28 | amiconn | One of the conditions in gwps-common.c line 320 is obviously not met. That also explains why the 3-seconds resume needed an explicit fix. The same if() body also clears the resume position |
| 01:32:59 | Nico_P | amiconn: http://pastebin.ca/1008800 makes it appear |
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| 01:34:30 | Nico_P | I'm pretty sure I had never seen that splash screen before though |
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| 01:36:32 | Nico_P | it's not very pretty. it makes the statusbar appear on top of the WPS even though it's not supposed to be displayed. also the wps isn't updated to the stop graphics |
| 01:38:10 | Nico_P | time for me to go to bed |
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| 01:41:08 | amiconn | Hmm, the statusbar redraw probably needs to check the enable status. That's in turn something I wouldn't have noticed.... |
| 01:43:27 | * | amiconn usually uses the standard statusbar instead of thoroughly recreating its functionality |
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| 01:57:05 | Lars_G | Hi all. Sorry trying to resolve an svn conflict. has "bool scrub_ffwd_rew(int button)" been eliminated from apps/gui/gwps-common.(c|h) I can't determine if it was eliminated or it's a problem with my copy |
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| 02:03:09 | Llorean | Lars_G: can't you just check out a clean copy of the file and check? |
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| 02:04:00 | Lars_G | Llorean: Meh I think I will |
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| 04:22:26 | rpj8 | Hey guys. I'm trying to install rockbox on an ipod nano 1st gen. I tried both the automated and the manual install, and both don't continue, giving me an error "No ipods found, aborting". |
| 04:22:37 | rpj8 | I'm definitely in disk mode, and it's mounted as well. |
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| 04:26:03 | rpj8 | I should also mention I'm trying to do this in linux. |
| 04:26:15 | rpj8 | dmesg is able to detect it as scsi 4:0:0:0: Direct-Access Apple iPod 1.62 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 |
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| 04:27:00 | Lars_G | I'm not sure if it has to be mounted for install... for the bootloader install that is |
| 04:27:26 | rpj8 | Lars_G: Well for the automatic installer it says it has to be as it asks for a mount point |
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| 04:28:15 | rpj8 | unmounted it gives the same error. [INFO] Scanning disk devices... |
| 04:28:15 | rpj8 | [ERR] No ipods found, aborting |
| 04:28:27 | Llorean | Do you have the proper permissions? |
| 04:28:30 | Llorean | Perhaps sudo ipodpatcher |
| 04:28:36 | rpj8 | Ah, that's a good point. |
| 04:28:37 | rpj8 | one sec |
| 04:29:07 | rpj8 | Nope. Same error. |
| 04:29:45 | Llorean | Are you 100% sure it's a 1st generation? |
| 04:29:59 | rpj8 | The only other is a 2nd gen, correct? |
| 04:30:04 | Llorean | And 3rd gen.. |
| 04:30:12 | rpj8 | Hm, perhaps it's a 3rd gen :( |
| 04:30:31 | rpj8 | Gahhh. Now I'll have to somehow restore the default ipod firmware. |
| 04:31:20 | Lars_G | rpj8: restoring is very easy |
| 04:31:30 | rpj8 | in linux? |
| 04:31:32 | Lars_G | rpj8: Anyhow, nanos are easy to discover. what color is yours? |
| 04:31:39 | Lars_G | Hmm no in linux it's not so easy |
| 04:31:40 | rpj8 | It's a white 1gb model. |
| 04:31:48 | Lars_G | is the front plastic? |
| 04:32:10 | Lars_G | Then it's a first generation. |
| 04:32:35 | Lars_G | Second generations are same form but with rounded edges and the whole body is metal, in metal, black or colors coloring. |
| 04:32:58 | Llorean | Lars_G: Third generation also comes in white, I believe.. |
| 04:32:59 | Lars_G | Third generation nanos are the "fatty", all metal body like 2G but square instead of rectangular. |
| 04:33:06 | Llorean | But 1gb is 1st-gen only |
| 04:33:08 | rpj8 | ah |
| 04:33:19 | rpj8 | well this is a long-ish one hah. |
| 04:33:20 | Lars_G | the easiest way to restore the firmware is in windows or mac with iTunes |
| 04:33:32 | rpj8 | And the automatic installed when I did an autodetect came up with a 1st gen |
| 04:33:36 | Llorean | If the iPod partition layout is too broken, iPodPatcher won't detecti t. |
| 04:33:43 | Llorean | You basically need a working iPod before you can install Rockbox |
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| 04:33:54 | rpj8 | I see. |
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| 04:34:16 | rpj8 | Well, I'll hop on a windows pc now then and try to restore it... last time I tried to use itunes it just wouldn't start up. |
| 04:34:31 | rpj8 | not that that's your problem :) |
| 04:38:32 | Absnthe | what can I do if neither itunes or any other operating systems (windows, mac, linux) recognise my ipod? |
| 04:38:44 | Llorean | Absnthe: Follow the IpodManualRestore wiki page. |
| 04:40:30 | Absnthe | thank you |
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| 06:43:02 | JdGordon | hell yeah... this single inline setting thing might actually work :D |
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| 07:12:27 | David_ | hey, just installed rockbox on my ipod color, and now when i initialize the database it crashes. It happens after an apparently random amount of time too, I can't predict it, but it's around 100-300 songs it indexes before it crashes. Anyone know why? |
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| 07:26:12 | JdGordon | David_: broken tags is usually the reason |
| 07:26:40 | David_ | ahh, thanks. so how do I fix the tags? |
| 07:27:03 | JdGordon | with a tagging program? I dunno... |
| 07:27:09 | JdGordon | you need to find the tracks with the problem |
| 07:27:28 | David_ | cool, thanks JdGordon |
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| 08:30:59 | rp- | is private messaging on the rockbox forum just disabled or not working? |
| 08:31:58 | JdGordon | some users dont let you pm them |
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| 08:33:35 | rp- | a i think it worked anyway, just didn't enable to save a copy in my outbox |
| 08:33:46 | mrkiko | Hi all! I have actually two questions. 1) What actually appens in "study" mode? 2) How can I access the QuickScreen from an H300 device? |
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| 08:34:45 | JdGordon | 1) dunno, 2) hold a-b |
| 08:35:07 | Mouser_X | 1) Think of it more like "tracklock." |
| 08:35:24 | Mouser_X | With it enabled, it skips within the file, instead of to the next file. |
| 08:35:36 | Mouser_X | The original idea for it was to be used with audio books and such. |
| 08:35:54 | Mouser_X | At least, that's the impression I got when I read the FS# for it. |
| 08:36:58 | * | Mouser_X notices that there's unused buttons on the 'beast in Rockbox. |
| 08:37:18 | Mouser_X | Actually, I pushed one once to see what would happen, and it locked up... |
| 08:37:29 | Mouser_X | I had to use the battery switch. |
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| 08:49:58 | linuxstb_ | Has anyone tried using CreativeWizard to upload a firmware file to the Gigabeat S on Windows? http://www.epizenter.net/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?144865 |
| 08:50:23 | B4gder | interesting v2 details |
| 08:50:23 | linuxstb_ | sendfirm works on the Zen, so I would expect that tool to work on the beast... |
| 08:51:30 | Mouser_X | I'd give it a try, but I'd hate to have to resort to Linux to fix my beast if it failed. |
| 08:51:55 | Mouser_X | Nothing against Linux mind you. I just had a tough time getting it installed on my beast is all (the bootloader, not Linux). |
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| 08:54:53 | toffe82 | linuxstb_: I tried to use directmtp , a tool from microsoft, I can send the object properties, but when I send the file , the player is no more available, I have to check again |
| 08:56:17 | JdGordon | http://imagebin.ca/view/qOPxq11.html |
| 08:57:05 | scorche | eek |
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| 08:57:10 | JdGordon | no likey? |
| 08:57:26 | scorche | JdGordon: i am afraid what others will say for you :) |
| 08:57:26 | B4gder | I like |
| 08:57:31 | linuxstb_ | Presumably all the items shift up and down as you move the cursor? |
| 08:57:35 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 08:57:49 | * | scorche likes....saves a lot of keypresses |
| 08:58:05 | JdGordon | I think there will be 3 modes.. disabled, like that, and 2 lines for every item |
| 08:58:16 | scorche | oh goody...more options... |
| 08:58:29 | JdGordon | unfortunatly, that has required a few tiny hacks to get working |
| 08:58:32 | linuxstb_ | Do we really need 3 different ways to view settings? |
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| 08:58:34 | Mouser_X | So, if you've got something selected (as in your example) it will say what setting that item has in the 2nd line? |
| 08:59:00 | JdGordon | linuxstb_: well we dont really need any actually :) |
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| 08:59:58 | amiconn | JdGordon: I wonder how this will look on a smaller screen and/or when using a larger font |
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| 09:00:24 | amiconn | The font is quite tiny for the example target |
| 09:01:20 | JdGordon | as long as the 2nd line doesnt need to scroll it should look fine |
| 09:01:45 | * | JdGordon commits.. |
| 09:02:00 | amiconn | It might actually need to scroll |
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| 09:02:16 | amiconn | Don't forget there are other languages than just english |
| 09:02:30 | * | JdGordon doesnt really commit :p |
| 09:03:12 | JdGordon | found a setting which can easily need to scroll |
| 09:03:22 | amiconn | Btw, the left & right quickscreen settings often need to scroll in german (the settings, not the values). Still better than the old, staggered quickscreen though |
| 09:03:58 | JdGordon | how much extra room do they need to not scroll? |
| 09:04:06 | JdGordon | is it just too small? or a fair bit? |
| 09:04:15 | amiconn | A fair bit |
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| 09:05:04 | amiconn | "Repeat" -> "Wiederholung", "Shuffle" -> "Zufallswiedergabe" |
| 09:05:20 | JdGordon | use shorter words :p |
| 09:05:45 | JdGordon | isnt shuffle just yes/no? |
| 09:05:56 | * | petur wonder how bad it will be in French |
| 09:06:03 | markun | or finnish! |
| 09:06:05 | amiconn | The first example cannot be shortened while keeping the meaning. The second probably could be shortened a bit |
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| 09:08:13 | webguest35 | hello everyone |
| 09:08:39 | webguest35 | i'm just trying out rockbox on ipod, after using the H300 version for a long time |
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| 09:09:27 | webguest35 | i'm having a silly problem - i loaded into apple firmware, and the ipod refuses to turn off rather than just the hardware suspend mode |
| 09:09:44 | linuxstb_ | That's a "feature" of the Apple firmware... |
| 09:09:45 | webguest35 | is there a trick to turning it really off, so i can boot rockbox back up, or do I just have to wait? |
| 09:10:01 | linuxstb_ | You need to do a hard reset/reboot - hold MENU+SELECT for a few seconds. |
| 09:10:03 | GodEater | webguest35: hard reset it |
| 09:10:10 | webguest35 | thanks! |
| 09:10:21 | amiconn | "Zufallswiedergabe" is somewhat imprecise anyway, because it actually means "Random". "Shuffle" translates as "Mischen", but that would also be ambiguous, because it also means 'to mix' |
| 09:10:22 | linuxstb_ | webguest35: This page is useful to know - http://ipodlinux.org/Key_Combinations |
| 09:10:46 | webguest35 | heh, thanks a lot guys |
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| 09:11:15 | webguest35 | i've been using on the h300 for years, your work has been incredibly beneficial |
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| 09:19:20 | JdGordon | well ill be bloody surprised if this is ever allowed to be commited :p soo many "tweaks" needed for it to work |
| 09:19:46 | JdGordon | but while everyone is here.. is there any reason we dont have a way to put styled text at a pixel co-ord? |
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| 09:24:47 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Is it needed? |
| 09:24:55 | amiconn | JdGordon: (1) It was not needed so far. (2) It only makes limited sense |
| 09:24:56 | JdGordon | it will be for this |
| 09:25:13 | * | petur whispers 'viewports' |
| 09:25:22 | JdGordon | I've modified lcd_puts_style_offset to do it |
| 09:25:28 | amiconn | The only style we have atm is inverted, and how would you decide what to invert when placing text at a pixel position? |
| 09:25:36 | JdGordon | no, viewports does really make sense for this |
| 09:27:48 | linuxstb | You need it to right-align the text? |
| 09:28:11 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 09:28:46 | JdGordon | hmm.. |
| 09:28:59 | JdGordon | just tihnking it wont work because of the gradient selection bar... |
| 09:29:15 | JdGordon | but if I can set the viewports bg colour to transparent it might.. |
| 09:29:27 | amiconn | And if you need to invert just the text itself, set fg&bg (or inverse drawmode) before, and reset it afterwards |
| 09:29:53 | JdGordon | yay, 1 less hack needed :) |
| 09:30:03 | * | amiconn actually forgot the gradient as he never uses it |
| 09:30:33 | JdGordon | I've also got it not showing the second line if the menu doesnt have any settings.. I need something for funcion calls and submenus though |
| 09:30:40 | JdGordon | −−−−> is good for submenu.. |
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| 09:32:38 | * | amiconn wonders whether JdGordon willl also try to make submenus unfold within the parent menu ... :/ |
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| 09:32:58 | JdGordon | now THAT would be cool! :p |
| 09:33:10 | JdGordon | never leae the main menu |
| 09:33:47 | petur | oh, and screen transitions :p |
| 09:34:12 | * | petur watches amiconn run away, screaming |
| 09:34:45 | * | pixelma would rather see the statusbar update lag fixed... |
| 09:34:52 | * | scorche is getting reminded of the Gigabeat S’s OF |
| 09:35:19 | JdGordon | we actually could do menu transitions now with viewports and some trickery :) |
| 09:35:19 | * | petur wonders how the conversion of the recording screen to viewports is going |
| 09:35:41 | JdGordon | stopped :p lost interest in it unfortunatly... |
| 09:35:59 | JdGordon | split the drawing code out of the button code and itll be easier to do |
| 09:36:01 | * | petur figured as much |
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| 09:45:25 | * | linuxstb notices we now have a green build table... |
| 09:46:38 | * | scorche wonder if a pool is around for how long it will last and if it will make the whole length of the table |
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| 09:52:07 | JdGordon | 3 rows is hardly a green table |
| 09:52:38 | * | JdGordon puts his money on it wont last the whole table |
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| 10:01:39 | pixelma | JdGordon: you can't bet on it because you had the power to influence that ;) |
| 10:02:16 | JdGordon | I can vote on the elections here and have the power to influence them also...'= |
| 10:02:37 | JdGordon | admitadly not as much though :p |
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| 10:21:43 | amiconn | JdGordon: It would possibly be cool, but hamper usability beyond everything |
| 10:22:19 | JdGordon | what would? |
| 10:22:29 | * | amiconn totally fails to see what's cool about transition effects though |
| 10:23:54 | GodEater | me wonders what, if anything, amiconn does consider cool |
| 10:23:59 | GodEater | ^/ |
| 10:25:14 | JdGordon | does the transparent colour not work with the font drawing? |
| 10:27:04 | amiconn | ? |
| 10:27:53 | JdGordon | I'm getting black text in a purple rectangle |
| 10:27:54 | amiconn | GodEater: I consider it cool if something works reliable and is usable. That includes being _fast_, which automatically excludes any transitions |
| 10:28:23 | amiconn | JdGordon: Fonts are mono bitmaps. The transparent colour only works for native bitmaps |
| 10:28:44 | JdGordon | nooooooooo! |
| 10:28:46 | amiconn | There is no transparent colour |
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| 10:29:11 | amiconn | It's only a property of bitmaps |
| 10:31:02 | * | petur expects 'is' to become 'was' soon.... ;) |
| 10:31:42 | amiconn | It it is even only a property of 16 bit bitmaps so far |
| 10:32:13 | JdGordon | hell yeah! got it working without it |
| 10:32:35 | JdGordon | nice call on forcing me to use viewpoers petur :) |
| 10:32:58 | Mouser_X | Heh |
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| 10:38:41 | JdGordon | anyone wanna test this out? |
| 10:39:38 | JdGordon | arg, iriver remote lcd is breaking it |
| 10:40:17 | Mouser_X | I'm a little interested. |
| 10:40:36 | * | Mouser_X has a Gigabeat F and S, but no build environment. |
| 10:40:50 | Mouser_X | (And a Sansa e250 actually) |
| 10:41:47 | * | JdGordon needs to fix the small lcd issue :( |
| 10:42:01 | JdGordon | seems to have problems putting the item on the screen if there is < 5 lines |
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| 11:01:12 | JdGordon | Bagder: flyspray just died when I tried adding a task.. Uncaught Error of type [swift_connection_exception] with message [The SMTP connection is not alive and cannot be read from. (fsockopen: #) ] |
| 11:02:05 | JdGordon | http://pastebin.ca/1009133 is the full error message |
| 11:02:11 | B4gder | load average: 110.83, 61.34, 27.79 |
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| 11:10:18 | barrywardell | the color selector isn't working the way it should. it doesn't allow selecting the same colour (i.e. leaving it unchanged( |
| 11:11:34 | barrywardell | the options are to either remove the block on setting fg and bg colour the same (http://pastebin.ca/1009138) or making it work properly (http://pastebin.ca/1009135) |
| 11:11:57 | barrywardell | which would be preferable? there's a 64 byte difference between the two |
| 11:14:39 | * | barrywardell directs the question particularly at JdGordon since he wrote the original code (and the newer broken version) |
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| 11:23:52 | JdGordon | I would think the 2nd option is better |
| 11:24:45 | AceNik | guys i need help to create a patch, how do i make the patch consider to leave somewhat 10 lines above & below it so that it does not give an error, like it should judge if the line numbers hav changed |
| 11:24:52 | JdGordon | FS #8968 is up if anyone wants to have a play with the inline setting patych |
| 11:25:16 | JdGordon | AceNik: svn diff |
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| 11:27:02 | AceNik | JDGordon: what i mean is suppose at the time i created the patch the english.lang file ended at a particular line number say 13000, now suppose there was an addition to it in the future, so is there a way my patch will consider to just my modifications to the last line of the then english.lang file |
| 11:27:41 | JdGordon | i dunno |
| 11:29:02 | AceNik | can i play with this setting instead -0,0 +1,2570 int he patch file ? |
| 11:31:06 | * | barrywardell goes with the second option |
| 11:31:16 | B4gder | AceNik: patches are already made to be as forgiving as possible to changes in the original |
| 11:32:10 | AceNik | b4gder: what if i change the line number t a line numbe rthat does not exist, will the file patch the lines to the last lines of the existing file ? |
| 11:32:23 | linuxstb | Could we add a comment to the end of english.lang for example, to help patches which always add things to the end? |
| 11:33:03 | B4gder | yes, that would help |
| 11:33:11 | B4gder | if it would be multiple lines |
| 11:33:25 | linuxstb | Yes, that's what I'm suggesting. |
| 11:33:30 | AceNik | linuxstb: because every patch break with the lan files itself |
| 11:33:38 | amiconn | barrywardell: Regarding your first suggestion: *never* just cut a phrase from the .lang file. It needs to be deprecated |
| 11:33:39 | linuxstb | AceNik: I know. |
| 11:34:48 | barrywardell | amiconn: ok, I was wondering about that, thanks. I won't be doing the first suggestion anyway so it's not a problem this time |
| 11:35:51 | AceNik | suppose a file is 2000 lines, n in the patch i put a line number that is greater like say +2020,2030, will that place the files at the end of the file, even though actually it should start patchin at 2001 line number ? |
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| 11:36:12 | B4gder | AceNik: I think the context of the patch is what is much more important than the line number hints |
| 11:36:34 | B4gder | the context before and after the actual changes I mean |
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| 11:36:45 | AceNik | wellt he context is a .lang, file so i think we can afford to do somethin like this in that ? |
| 11:37:13 | B4gder | like what? |
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| 11:38:10 | AceNik | ima sking that can we give it a few lines to consider extra, instead of beginin to patch at a particular line |
| 11:39:02 | AceNik | liek i said if a file ends at 2000, the patch suppose has to start patching at 2001, can we give it 2020, will that still patch at 2001 ? |
| 11:39:19 | B4gder | don't ask us, just try it |
| 11:39:28 | AceNik | ok |
| 11:39:38 | B4gder | and again, it'll help more if we add a mult-line comment at the bottom of the .lang file |
| 11:39:52 | B4gder | but that wouldn't be too convenient either |
| 11:40:07 | B4gder | since then we'd need to manually change it after the patch is applied if we want to commit |
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| 11:47:30 | AceNik | B4gder: it works |
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| 11:48:57 | AceNik | if your sure that the lines you need to add to the english.lang file are to be added in the end, that is after the last line then you can specify any startin line number greater than the existing one, & you lines get patched in the end itself |
| 11:49:59 | przemhb | hi all |
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| 11:52:01 | przemhb | In font.h missing sysfont.h is included which causes build error. I'm a bit confused. How to compile recent sources? |
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| 11:53:26 | B4gder | przemhb: tried a make clean? |
| 11:53:35 | przemhb | yes I did |
| 11:53:42 | przemhb | a few times |
| 11:53:49 | B4gder | and you have a clean svn version? |
| 11:54:12 | przemhb | I cannot compile for a few weeks due to the problem |
| 11:54:22 | przemhb | no, modified |
| 11:54:30 | B4gder | but everyone else seem to manage it, that's why I ask |
| 11:54:44 | AceNik | try make veryclean |
| 11:54:47 | przemhb | but I have checked in the SVN font.h sysfont.h is included which is missing in SVN |
| 11:55:34 | przemhb | trying veryclean... |
| 11:56:28 | B4gder | sysfont.h is generated by the build |
| 11:56:45 | AceNik | after that try to build |
| 11:56:53 | B4gder | and since you have problems, try an unmodified build and see if that works |
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| 12:02:11 | przemhb | veryclean did not helped; I'll try unmodified SVN |
| 12:04:20 | markun | AceNik: what I usually do with outdated patches is: revert the tree to the time when the patch was made, apply patch, svn up, fix any conflicts, make new patch |
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| 12:10:43 | markun | is it ok to change the committers file to UTF-8? |
| 12:10:55 | AceNik | markun: thats waht even i do, fix any incosistances |
| 12:11:20 | linuxstb | markun: That's waiting for B4gder to update the website to accomodate it. |
| 12:11:32 | markun | AceNik: Ah, I thought you were editing the patches by hand |
| 12:11:33 | linuxstb | (which is why it was excluded from the change) |
| 12:11:40 | AceNik | but this time i modified the english.lang part of the patch, so that if there is another problem ill fix, atleast teh english .lang file wont trouble me |
| 12:12:20 | markun | linuxstb: ah yes |
| 12:12:58 | AceNik | markun: all the modified patchdoes is, assume a line number greater than the original english.lang file ending, so that in time even with time if the english.lang file grew in line numbers, this patchwould still be able to place its code at thebottom of the file |
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| 12:30:02 | barrywardell | hmmm. przemhb left. His problem reminds me of FS #7583 |
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| 12:44:33 | preglow | linuxstb: how does the tcc77x rtc behave when you try to read from it? |
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| 13:02:19 | preglow | is there a way to get an overview over my current watched tasks in the bug tracker? |
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| 13:06:35 | pixelma | in the tasklist search, there is a "tasks I watch" checkbox. If I select it and perform a search without specifying something else I get all I watch. Not sure whether there is a more elegant way but it works |
| 13:07:53 | LinusN | there is a menu called "My searches" on top of the page, click on it and select "Tasks I watch" |
| 13:08:41 | pixelma | ah |
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| 13:17:49 | preglow | LinusN: bah, thanks :) |
| 13:21:46 | markun | I also didn't know that |
| 13:22:50 | * | preglow wonders how many people use the max/min range options for the peak meter |
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| 13:24:40 | * | JdGordon wonders how many people leave almost all the options on default |
| 13:24:42 | Nico_P | not much, I guess |
| 13:24:52 | Nico_P | (to preglow) |
| 13:26:13 | preglow | i wonder why the hell you'd want to do such a thing anyway |
| 13:27:11 | petur | preglow: that feature seems quite popular among the tapers |
| 13:27:36 | preglow | why? |
| 13:28:23 | petur | some people want more visual accuracy maybe? I just see it discussed from time to time on taperssection |
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| 13:31:19 | amiconn | preglow: I'm using min (setting it to -50 instead of -60), but never max |
| 13:31:49 | JdGordon | has the dircache "scanning" splash stopped for everyone? or is it just the sim here? |
| 13:32:31 | preglow | i use peak meter in linear mode anyway |
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| 13:38:55 | preglow | so many settings i never use... |
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| 13:42:38 | petur | LinusN: did you see http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14524.msg124510#msg124510 ? |
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| 13:46:01 | LinusN | petur: you mean that it stops charging? |
| 13:46:20 | petur | he says it starts running down the battery again |
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| 13:53:51 | aliask | Grr... anyone have experience with libmtp and or sendfirm |
| 13:54:48 | aliask | I've compiled and installed libmtp and libusb, sendfirm compiles fine but when I try to run the binary it complains about not finding libmtp.so.6 |
| 13:55:17 | aliask | /usr/local/lib is in the path (location of the .so) |
| 13:55:38 | gevaerts | Is /usr/local/lib in /etc/ld.so.conf ? |
| 13:57:22 | aliask | Do I need to do anything after including the directory |
| 13:57:38 | gevaerts | Run ldconfig |
| 13:57:51 | B4gder | as root, presumably |
| 13:58:13 | * | linuxstb has forgotten all this - apt-get makes you lazy... |
| 13:58:29 | aliask | Ah, beautiful. Thanks guys. |
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| 14:02:29 | linuxstb | aliask: Have you tried the CreativeWizard tool to upload firmware files? |
| 14:03:12 | aliask | Can't say I have - similar to sendfirm? |
| 14:03:14 | linuxstb | http://www.epizenter.net/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?144865 |
| 14:03:41 | linuxstb | It's a tool for hacking Creative firmwares, but it includes a firmware upload function. Apparently sendfirm works on the Zen, so I would expect that tool to work on the S. |
| 14:04:07 | aliask | I doubt it'd work under wine somehow |
| 14:04:19 | linuxstb | No, I'm talking about it as a Windows solution... |
| 14:04:57 | aliask | Mm, but I haven't got a windows box at the moment to test on |
| 14:05:26 | linuxstb | OK, forget about it then. |
| 14:06:59 | aliask | Good to see a possibility of a windows updater though - he's even released source for the program |
| 14:07:12 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: you need a windows test? can do on XP. |
| 14:10:39 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I'm just curious if it works... |
| 14:11:00 | jhMikeS | I can't get the link to work and the source is vb :( |
| 14:11:03 | aliask | Was there any resolution to the unknown IRQ problem at all? |
| 14:12:11 | jhMikeS | aliask: not yet though it may have to do with the WFI errata |
| 14:12:51 | * | linuxstb just realises that tool was written by mcuelenaere... |
| 14:13:05 | B4gder | haha |
| 14:13:37 | jhMikeS | I saw that. Tell him to fix the link :) |
| 14:14:40 | jhMikeS | unless it's on my end somehow |
| 14:14:57 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: can you get dl it? |
| 14:15:21 | aliask | I just got the source a minute ago - can mirror if you need |
| 14:16:09 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Assuming you mean this link, then no - http://bananweb.mine.nu/zvmmod/files/CWS.rar |
| 14:17:03 | jhMikeS | linxustb: Yes |
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| 14:17:25 | aliask | jhMikeS: aliask.dyndns.org:70/temp/zvmwizard.zip">http://aliask.dyndns.org:70/temp/zvmwizard.zip |
| 14:17:33 | * | linuxstb wonders why people like to put rars inside zips (and vice-versa)... |
| 14:17:58 | jhMikeS | aliask: forbidden :) |
| 14:18:48 | aliask | Oops, fixed :P |
| 14:19:08 | jhMikeS | tnkas |
| 14:19:11 | jhMikeS | *thanks |
| 14:20:28 | * | jhMikeS can't make a VB project |
| 14:21:05 | linuxstb | I guess a VB .NET project isn't ideal for incorporating into rbutil either... |
| 14:21:27 | * | linuxstb wonders if Nico_P made any progress with his win32 sendfirm |
| 14:21:52 | jhMikeS | I needed the link to the executable but thanks anyway |
| 14:22:28 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I don't know if you read in the logs, but after a recovery to the OF and reinstall, my S is working again.... Moos's S is also working, again with no obvious clue to the real problem. |
| 14:23:03 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: in talking to him that what I thought he already did. |
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| 14:24:25 | jhMikeS | in case you missed that I mentioned eariler: never cut power on the S in retailos unless it's sleeping. it's the way I did manage to corrupt my partition one time. |
| 14:28:14 | aliask | linuxstb: What happened with your S? And moos'? |
| 14:28:49 | linuxstb | The bootloader was refusing to find rockbox.gigabeat |
| 14:29:16 | LinusN | petur: the charging is done by the hardware, so i can't really see how the bootloader could affect it |
| 14:30:00 | aliask | I had major filesystem corruption after copying some stuff over from USB - hopefully the recovery mode format fixes it, but I'm getting IRQ errors while untarring |
| 14:30:13 | petur | LinusN: ok, I should just try it myself to see if bootloader charging differs from normal |
| 14:32:01 | petur | is there a reason the flash plugin is only done for h1x0 and not h3x0? |
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| 15:19:27 | linuxstb | petur: I think it's simply because Slasheri is the only person mad enough to try flashing without a bdm, and he only has an h1x0... |
| 15:19:55 | petur | probably... |
| 15:21:06 | * | petur wonders if LinusN will bring a h3x0 with BDM to devcon. Flashing debug session would be nice, next to the planned h380 bootloader one |
| 15:21:32 | LinusN | don't hold your breath |
| 15:21:55 | petur | :/ |
| 15:21:59 | LinusN | the bdm wiggler requires a parallel port on the pc |
| 15:22:06 | petur | oh |
| 15:22:37 | LinusN | if i had unlimited spare time, i would build a usb bdm wiggler |
| 15:23:45 | LinusN | i have schematics and everything, but no time to build one, and no time to write the drivers for gdb |
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| 15:26:33 | amiconn | Why is parallel port a problem? |
| 15:28:06 | LinusN | amiconn: because few laptops have those nowadays |
| 15:28:33 | gevaerts | My laptop has one |
| 15:28:37 | LinusN | not even desktop pc:s have them nowadays |
| 15:28:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | Mine too. |
| 15:28:50 | amiconn | Use a desktop pc for that kind of work then... |
| 15:28:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | But then again my laptop is already 4 years old. :) |
| 15:29:10 | * | amiconn 's laptop has no parallel port either, even though it's almost 5 years old |
| 15:29:11 | LinusN | amiconn: i won't bring my desktop pc to devcon |
| 15:29:53 | * | gevaerts will bring his laptop to devcon, so there will be at least one parallel port available |
| 15:31:58 | * | LinusN has to go |
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| 15:45:04 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I didn't make any progress because I don't have access to a windows machine |
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| 15:49:13 | Nico_P | (and also because windows programming doesn't motivate me much) |
| 15:50:57 | Slasheri | there are usb parallel port adapters |
| 15:51:50 | Slasheri | petur: i would be willing to try h300 flashing but don't have one :) |
| 15:53:09 | petur | Slasheri: the reason I start talking about it is that the h300 OF is not CF compatible, and being able to flash from within RB would help a lot in the future :) |
| 15:53:28 | Slasheri | ah, indeed :) |
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| 16:09:15 | n1s | hmm, the Rockbox Info screen is only redrawing when a button is pressed, and when voice is disabled the selector is invisible (!) so the time display with seconds is frozen... (until you press a button) |
| 16:11:37 | amiconn | The selector is invisbile on purpose (because there's nothing to select). The missing redraw is nasty though |
| 16:16:50 | n1s | would it be bad to redraw the simplelist on every loop iteration (done for statusbar)? |
| 16:16:55 | n1s | JdGordon|zzz: ping |
| 16:17:19 | amiconn | n1s: yes, because this would break scrolling |
| 16:17:38 | n1s | ah, tricky |
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| 16:22:09 | francoisdinel | Hey LambdaCalculus37 |
| 16:22:16 | francoisdinel | :) |
| 16:22:44 | francoisdinel | I'm atomikpunk on the rockbox forums. |
| 16:22:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hi! |
| 16:22:56 | francoisdinel | can you add me to the write list for the wiki? |
| 16:23:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | What's your wiki name? |
| 16:23:26 | francoisdinel | FrancoisDinel |
| 16:23:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | Okay, will do. |
| 16:23:44 | Nico_P | francoisdinel: are you French by any chance? |
| 16:24:18 | francoisdinel | Canadian French yes ;) |
| 16:24:40 | francoisdinel | sorry I can't stay here for long, I'm at work and IRC is... let's say... prohibited ;) |
| 16:24:48 | markun | :) |
| 16:25:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | francoisdinel: All done. Welcome to Rockbox! |
| 16:25:16 | francoisdinel | Thanks Calculus! I'll try to join IRC tonight :) |
| 16:25:18 | francoisdinel | see ya! |
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| 16:35:03 | * | n1s posts a bug in the tracker |
| 16:35:57 | Nico_P | n1s: what kind of bug? |
| 16:36:38 | n1s | that the time in the rockbox info screen only redraws when a button is pressed, I don't know how to fix it without breaking something else |
| 16:36:49 | Nico_P | oh |
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| 16:40:10 | n1s | I even suspect it is not a very easy fix... |
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| 16:53:00 | jhMikeS | aliask: (for the logs) try this patch on the bootloader: jhmikes.cleansoap.org/try_fix_wrong_irq.diff">http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/try_fix_wrong_irq.diff |
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| 16:57:45 | jhMikeS | aliask: and if that doesn't work, try jhmikes.cleansoap.org/try_fix_wrong_irq_2.diff">http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/try_fix_wrong_irq_2.diff |
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| 18:04:31 | jhMikeS | aliask: don't waste your time, I managed it here while patched |
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| 18:13:57 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: meaning you got the error? |
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| 18:18:56 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb, jhMikeS: about the CreativeWizard app; the MTP part is C(++) and is just an example I copied from the Windows SDK and modified it a bit, so it could fit in rbutil |
| 18:20:09 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: Is there anything specific to the Zen, or do you think it would work on the S? |
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| 18:20:32 | mcuelenaere | it's all MTP stuff, so it should work on the S; nothing differs from the S upload method |
| 18:20:38 | mcuelenaere | AFAIK |
| 18:20:50 | linuxstb | OK, I was just wondering if you maybe checked device IDs or something... |
| 18:21:01 | * | linuxstb doesn't know anything about MTP |
| 18:21:10 | mcuelenaere | no, it's also very basic and doesn't do almost none error checking |
| 18:21:28 | mcuelenaere | I just needed a quick bridge between .NET and the Win32 MTP API as there wasn't any good one around |
| 18:23:07 | linuxstb | I think Nico_P tried something similar, but it only worked on one of his PCs - one with WMP10 IIRC. |
| 18:23:36 | mcuelenaere | yes, that's one limitation; it will need WMP1x (for WinXP and lower that is, in WinVista MTP support is builtin) |
| 18:24:07 | linuxstb | But I think the other PC had WMP11 (and it didn't work) |
| 18:24:07 | Nico_P | mcuelenaere: on what SDK did you base it? |
| 18:24:17 | Nico_P | linuxstb: IIRC that was it, yes |
| 18:24:27 | mcuelenaere | Nico_P: also one you're trying, I believe it is the newest WinVista SDK |
| 18:24:36 | mcuelenaere | did you install CreativeWizard? It comes with the source (after installation) |
| 18:24:39 | Nico_P | mtppk12.exe? |
| 18:24:44 | mcuelenaere | let me check.. |
| 18:25:01 | Nico_P | no, I didn't try your program because I don't have access to a windows machine ATM |
| 18:25:13 | Nico_P | this weekend I will, but time will be the issue |
| 18:25:18 | linuxstb | Have either of you investigated the license of that SDK and lib? Are we able to include it in a GPL app like rbutil? |
| 18:25:25 | mcuelenaere | Nico_P: " Welcome to the Windows Software Development Kit (SDK) for Windows Vista" |
| 18:25:41 | mcuelenaere | so not mtppk12.exe; I downloaded a part of the full SDK for WinVista |
| 18:25:46 | Nico_P | mine is the "MTP Porting Kit" |
| 18:26:08 | mcuelenaere | I also tried that one I think, but either it was too hard to get it working or it just didn't work |
| 18:26:31 | mcuelenaere | there are 2 versions of the API: xxx and WPD (can't remember xxx right now) |
| 18:26:39 | mcuelenaere | WPD is the newer one, which works for me |
| 18:26:43 | mcuelenaere | I never got the older one working |
| 18:26:50 | mcuelenaere | (Windows Portable Devices) |
| 18:26:55 | Nico_P | mcuelenaere: where can I read on what you used? and get the SDK? |
| 18:27:11 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I didn't investigate licenses at all |
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| 18:28:40 | Nico_P | I have "WpdApiSample.rar", which I don't remember where I got |
| 18:28:56 | mcuelenaere | Nico_P: I think "http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=E6E1C3DF-A74F-4207-8586-711EBE331CDC&displaylang=en" is the newer one, can't find the original link |
| 18:29:13 | mcuelenaere | it could be WpdApiSample.rar |
| 18:29:35 | mcuelenaere | yes, definitely "Microsoft SDKs\Windows\v6.0\Samples\Multimedia\Wpd\WpdApiSample" |
| 18:30:09 | mcuelenaere | "· Sample Code. You may modify, copy, and distribute the source and object code form of code marked as “sample.”" |
| 18:30:24 | Nico_P | ok, then I'll look into it when I can get on a windows machine |
| 18:31:06 | mcuelenaere | it is a lot of code (for just sending a file), but it works |
| 18:31:38 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Have you used sansapatcher or ipodpatcher? |
| 18:31:48 | Nico_P | no, never |
| 18:33:18 | linuxstb | Because I was thinking of something similar for the S (and maybe ZVM)... It is a console app (cross-platform) that has the bootloader binaries embedded into the .exe. The user can double-click on the .exe, and is then prompted with something like "Press I to install, C to cancel", and then the bootloader is installed. |
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| 18:33:46 | mcuelenaere | why would you embed the binaries into the .exe? |
| 18:34:00 | linuxstb | So it's easier for users - the bootloader rarely changes. |
| 18:34:16 | linuxstb | (users who don't know how to use a command-prompt) |
| 18:34:18 | mcuelenaere | hmm that's true, but atm the ZVM doesn't use the bootloader stage |
| 18:34:28 | mcuelenaere | (not that it matters) |
| 18:34:42 | linuxstb | But it can also any binary - just the default is to install the "internal" binary. |
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| 18:35:08 | linuxstb | OK, so it's probably not applicable to the ZVM. |
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| 18:35:34 | Nico_P | linuxstb: sounds good |
| 18:35:35 | * | mcuelenaere hates mIRC/my internet connection |
| 18:36:32 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: So you use MTP for sending the main Rockbox binary? |
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| 18:37:30 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: yes, there's no other possibility currently (except for using the bootloader but this would be an unnecessary extra step) |
| 18:38:01 | linuxstb | Am I right in thinking the ZVM isn't FAT32 formatted? |
| 18:38:06 | mcuelenaere | yes you are :( |
| 18:38:30 | mcuelenaere | which is a big disadvantage ie no dual booting |
| 18:38:52 | mcuelenaere | as the OF uses its own custom file system (based on BFS) |
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| 18:39:17 | linuxstb | Do you know if all the Creative DAPs use that? |
| 18:39:23 | mcuelenaere | yes, they do |
| 18:39:28 | Nico_P | mcuelenaere: do you send the plugins and all, or just the main bin? |
| 18:39:47 | mcuelenaere | Nico_P: the binary is sent through MTP; all the rest is in the FAT partition |
| 18:39:55 | Nico_P | right |
| 18:40:14 | linuxstb | So there's a Creative bootloader (in flash ROM?) that loads the main Rockbox binary directly? |
| 18:40:16 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: Creative is very conservative, they haven't changed a lot in their history of DAP's |
| 18:40:20 | mcuelenaere | yes |
| 18:40:24 | Nico_P | maybe if the FS format is simple enough, it could be added to rockbox and built only for creative devices |
| 18:40:42 | mcuelenaere | I believe it is, and there's even someone who made a read-only driver but I can't find this guy |
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| 18:41:03 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: Most targets are like that - the bootloader is simple a cut-down Rockbox build that loads the main Rockbox binary from the FAT32 partition. The main reason is that it makes installing easier. |
| 18:41:35 | mcuelenaere | there are 2 stages, BOOT and RESC; the first one the main boot loader and the second is a light-weight version of the main OF |
| 18:41:40 | mcuelenaere | (including the rescue mode) |
| 18:42:12 | mcuelenaere | I think in the future, there will have to be a bootloader (if the main FS needs to be FAT) |
| 18:42:27 | mcuelenaere | then users could upload their files through USB on the partition and start Rockbox |
| 18:42:41 | mcuelenaere | (and replace the bootloader by the rockbox binary) |
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| 18:46:07 | linuxstb | Sounds like a painful target though... |
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| 18:50:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: I think any Creative targets (including the Dell DJ) are going to be like this. |
| 18:50:58 | Nico_P | supporting their FS would probably be a good move, if it's feasible |
| 18:50:59 | linuxstb | Best avoided then ;) |
| 18:51:52 | * | LambdaCalculus37 needs to take on another Dell DJ and get to work already! :) |
| 18:56:38 | Nico_P | mcuelenaere|away: when you say BFS, I assume it's "Boot File System" and not "Be File System"? |
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| 18:58:07 | Nico_P | mcuelenaere: here? |
| 18:58:16 | mcuelenaere | Nico_P: yes, I just read the log |
| 18:58:30 | mcuelenaere | I don't know what it's really called, let me check |
| 18:59:00 | mcuelenaere | there was a driver in VSTa OS |
| 18:59:07 | mcuelenaere | which was even called minifs |
| 18:59:10 | Nico_P | well, BeFS is a modern journalling FS, so I guess it's not that |
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| 18:59:48 | mcuelenaere | it's definitely not BeFS |
| 18:59:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | It's BootFS. |
| 18:59:55 | * | mcuelenaere starts really hating mIRC |
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| 19:00:09 | mcuelenaere | LambdaCalculus37: you're sure? got a link? |
| 19:00:18 | Nico_P | http://martin.hinner.info/fs/bfs/ |
| 19:00:52 | * | LambdaCalculus37 found that link, too |
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| 19:01:33 | mcuelenaere | it could be based on that indeed |
| 19:01:34 | Nico_P | from the ZVM Port wiki page: "The minifs file system is supposedly based on BFS (not BeFS) which was called minifs in earlier days (now it is in the VSTa OS) " |
| 19:01:45 | mcuelenaere | yes, I wrote that |
| 19:02:36 | mcuelenaere | I have some backups of forum posts at nomadness.net (which are now removed in the google cache), but I can't access them atm |
| 19:02:43 | mcuelenaere | they have some pretty good information about the FS |
| 19:03:18 | Nico_P | good that you made backups |
| 19:03:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | mcuelenaere: I've seen that the Dell DJ also uses BFS. |
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| 19:04:18 | mcuelenaere | LambdaCalculus37: yes I know, I believe all the DAP's from Creative (starting from the NOMAD's) do |
| 19:04:53 | mcuelenaere | wow, this ext2 driver for windows works perfectly :) |
| 19:06:26 | Nico_P | is there a way I can mount a file as a filesystem? |
| 19:06:37 | mcuelenaere | Nico_P: in linux? yes |
| 19:06:42 | Nico_P | how? |
| 19:07:01 | mcuelenaere | try using a loop device |
| 19:07:03 | mcuelenaere | losetup |
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| 19:07:55 | mcuelenaere | something like "losetup /dev/loop0 /file" |
| 19:08:06 | mcuelenaere | then "mount -t [FS] /dev/loop0 /mnt/XXX" |
| 19:08:10 | Nico_P | hmm there's no reason I have BFS support though |
| 19:08:32 | mcuelenaere | if you're trying to mount the Creative FS, it won't work |
| 19:08:39 | mcuelenaere | the structure doesn't apply to it |
| 19:08:58 | Nico_P | alright |
| 19:09:21 | mcuelenaere | but the guy at nomadness.net said the minifs partition works with some small modifications to the source |
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| 19:11:47 | saratoga22 | in ARM, if i want to save a register while stepping through a long buffer, is it ok to do a compare verses the buffer pointer? |
| 19:11:47 | dig1 | anybody here |
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| 19:11:58 | saratoga22 | since i know the address it'll be at once the buffer is done processing |
| 19:11:59 | dig1 | ok reading |
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| 19:13:26 | dig1 | is it ok to ask a question regarding compiling? (might piss off some because it's a noob question) but nevertheless since i have time i can give back a lot to others |
| 19:13:27 | mcuelenaere | for the ones who are interested: I put the backup links on the CreativeZVMPort wiki page |
| 19:14:12 | scorche|sh | dig1: as long as it is rockbox related, go ahead and just ask |
| 19:14:18 | Nico_P | mcuelenaere: thanks :) |
| 19:14:36 | dig1 | is it possible (or am i a fool) to think that i can load the sourcecode into microsoft dev software? if so how? |
| 19:14:48 | saratoga22 | not possible |
| 19:14:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | dig1: Not possible at all. |
| 19:14:59 | scorche|sh | well, it wont compile |
| 19:15:03 | dig1 | what's it written in? C right |
| 19:15:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | C and assembler. |
| 19:15:12 | saratoga22 | you should read the wiki page on compiling |
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| 19:15:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | For Windows, you can use Cygwin or coLinux to set up a build environment. |
| 19:15:59 | dig1 | is the assembler specific on a certain platform processor |
| 19:16:10 | mcuelenaere | ARM and Coldfire |
| 19:16:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | The bulk of the source is C, though. |
| 19:17:03 | scorche|sh | and sh |
| 19:17:05 | domonoky | dig1: assembler is always cpu type specific..( so we have arm, coldfire and sh assembler code) :-) |
| 19:18:17 | dig1 | truly speaking, some of the stuff is pretty new because 1st i come from an ee background...second it's been at least 7 years since i programmed anything.. but the good thing is i have time |
| 19:18:29 | dig1 | thanks for the help |
| 19:18:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | Start here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide |
| 19:19:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | Read the linked pages there. |
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| 19:30:08 | bertrik | dig1: what player do you have? |
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| 19:46:05 | saratoga22 | if i have a variable j and I want to load it inside an assembly block, can I just do "LDR R1, [j]"? |
| 19:46:19 | saratoga22 | assuming I've defined j to the assembly block and all that? |
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| 19:54:29 | linuxstb | saratoga22: This may help - http://www.ethernut.de/en/documents/arm-inline-asm.html |
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| 20:39:01 | saratoga22 | linuxstb: thanks, amazing how much ASM i've forgotten over the school year |
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| 20:47:10 | saratoga22 | hmm one of the Nero people replied to my question about making FAAD work better |
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| 20:49:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | saratoga22: What did they tell you? |
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| 20:50:28 | saratoga22 | just a list of things that are wrong with it |
| 20:50:51 | linuxstb | They told you that? Or you to them? |
| 20:52:18 | amiconn | Isn't the main thing that's wrong with current FAAD its license? |
| 20:52:24 | saratoga22 | no they fixed that |
| 20:52:27 | saratoga22 | its plain GPL now |
| 20:53:44 | * | linuxstb looks at an m200v2 original firmware and sees a confusing mix of arm and thumb code... |
| 20:53:58 | saratoga22 | they confirmed my suspician that their FFT is horriblely slow :) |
| 20:54:52 | amiconn | Ah, didn't know that |
| 20:54:59 | saratoga22 | and also that the codec makes poor use of memory |
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| 20:55:07 | saratoga22 | but thats less helpful |
| 20:55:49 | amiconn | So we could upgrade our copy to current FAAD? Or was that even done already?? |
| 20:56:02 | bertrik | amiconn: I am trying to make usb serial work with windows. In the past I manually installed a usbser.sys extracted from some service pack .cab file. In the meantime there were some fixes to usbser.sys, so I'm trying to make windows install the newest version in the proper way |
| 20:56:24 | linuxstb | amiconn: I think preglow did some work to sync it, but never committed. |
| 20:57:46 | saratoga22 | we're a quite a bit behind on FAAD patches I think, they've been commiting a 1 or 2 a month now for a long time since we forked |
| 20:58:12 | saratoga22 | i should get on preglow's case to commit what he has |
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| 20:59:58 | Llorean | Anyone know what "*panic* event line full" means? |
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| 21:00:00 | Llorean | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16751 |
| 21:00:20 | * | LambdaCalculus37 never saw that error before |
| 21:01:08 | * | Llorean hasn't either. |
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| 21:02:39 | bertrik | too many events registered? |
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| 21:03:10 | amiconn | firmware/events.c line 55 |
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| 21:03:37 | bertrik | I think I saw some reports about the other case too, with events being unregistered that were already unregistered |
| 21:03:50 | amiconn | But this shouldn't happen unless there's a major bug |
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| 21:04:29 | * | amiconn has never seen that happen on any of his targets |
| 21:05:18 | Olop | Evening all, just a quick question.. is there a problem with bookmarking on the latest release? I've installed it on my ipod mini and a partially sighted woman's ipod nano but I can't seem to bookmark podcasts... any ideas? |
| 21:05:45 | Llorean | Olop: Are you using database or the file browser? |
| 21:05:58 | bertrik | I added logging of the event id for the panic in remove_event some time ago, maybe we need it on the add_event too |
| 21:06:15 | Olop | Llorean: database, is that why? |
| 21:06:25 | Llorean | Olop: Yes, bookmarking does not work with the database. |
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| 21:08:03 | Olop | Llorean: Thanks so much, been wondering why for ages |
| 21:08:26 | * | gevaerts can't see how this event line full can ever happen at all |
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| 21:09:52 | Olop | I assume the file browser can't be used with iTunes? |
| 21:10:08 | Llorean | Olop: Not effectively, no. iTunes semi-randomly renames files. |
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| 21:10:32 | gevaerts | There are 7 add_event()s in the code, MAX_SYS_EVENTS is 10, and add_event() checks for duplicates |
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| 21:11:24 | amiconn | gevaerts: Race condition, perhaps. On dual core, accessing the event array would probably need to be core locked |
| 21:11:31 | Olop | Llorean: Typical, well thanks for the help, I've been wondering about that for ages |
| 21:11:33 | Llorean | gevaerts: So the most important question then is "is it really a clean SVN build"? |
| 21:11:48 | Llorean | Olop: It's possible one day bookmarks will work from the database. We'd all like them to, but it's not a simple solution. |
| 21:11:51 | amiconn | Not sure whether the event system is accessed from the COP at all though |
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| 21:12:21 | gevaerts | One other thing is that this c200 also loses sound settings. Filesystem corruption ? |
| 21:12:50 | Llorean | I've seen a lot of people report problems with targets losing settings. |
| 21:13:03 | Llorean | Not just c200, but a variety of them. |
| 21:13:11 | amiconn | Llorean: On ipods those reports are understandable |
| 21:13:17 | gevaerts | Yes, and very often chkdsk/fsck solves this... |
| 21:13:33 | Llorean | amiconn: Oh? |
| 21:13:41 | amiconn | The hold switch clears settings |
| 21:13:48 | Llorean | amiconn: Ah, no, not like that. |
| 21:14:07 | Llorean | As in, the file is damaged somehow, but if they delete config.cfg manually, it starts saving settings properly again |
| 21:14:16 | amiconn | eh? |
| 21:14:21 | Llorean | Yes |
| 21:14:46 | amiconn | On what target(s)? |
| 21:14:50 | Llorean | I've seen quite a few cases of people reporting problems with their settings being saved, and either deleting config.cfg, or doing a file system check, has solved it. |
| 21:14:56 | Llorean | iPods and Sansa, afaik. |
| 21:15:13 | Olop | Llorean: Well understandably not everything can be achieved. Must say Rockbox is fantastic and is really helping out my partially sighted friend. Thanks for your help Llorean :-) |
| 21:15:23 | Llorean | Possibly only 5G/5.5G iPod, but that's hard to say for sure, we certainly have a lot more users of it. |
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| 21:15:49 | Llorean | I've never experienced the problem myself, and I don't think anyone's reported it as recurring, so I've never been sure whether it's random corruption. |
| 21:16:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | I've never had issues with the settings resetting themselves on my iPod, unless I do it myself. |
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| 21:16:22 | Llorean | But I've had a rising suspicion Rockbox might be causing corruption. Another "common" problem is the iPods OF refusing to work, iTunes demanding a restore, windows saying "no partition found", but Rockbox working fine. |
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| 21:16:39 | amiconn | LambdaCalculus37: On ipod there's an easy way to accidentally reset settings (unless you're running an usb-enabled build) |
| 21:17:18 | Llorean | Sorry, those are three different symptoms (an iPod will typically have one of them), but they still work with Rockbox |
| 21:17:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Yes, one is to flick the hold switch on too late when you're attempting to boot to the OF. |
| 21:17:33 | amiconn | Just plug a powered off ipod (hold enabled) into usb... |
| 21:17:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | But I use a USB-enabled build on my iPod. |
| 21:17:54 | amiconn | No need to flick anything, just forgetting to un-hold before plugin |
| 21:17:56 | Llorean | amiconn: The problem these people have, though, is that they'll explicitly change settings, hold play/pause to power down, power back up, and it won't have been saved. |
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| 21:19:02 | amiconn | Hmm, actually that would boot the OF... weird |
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| 21:19:20 | amiconn | Somehow I managed to reset the settings this way once |
| 21:19:31 | Llorean | amiconn: Before the bootloader change perhaps? |
| 21:19:35 | gevaerts | One example of settings problems is http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16422.msg122637#msg122637 |
| 21:19:38 | Llorean | Back when only menu booted the OF? |
| 21:19:49 | amiconn | Llorean: That's possible |
| 21:20:18 | Llorean | gevaerts: Exactly. I've seen probably less than a dozen cases of the problem in that post, but they're all cases of the exact same problem where deleting the file or chkdsk /f have resolved it. |
| 21:20:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: I reset the settings that way once too, but this was back when I first started using Rockbox (end of 2006). |
| 21:20:27 | Llorean | And just the fact that it's the "same" problem makes me suspicious |
| 21:21:20 | gevaerts | But on the other hand, if rockbox _always_ crashes, it's normal that it doesn't save settings |
| 21:21:51 | * | gevaerts would suggest a chkdsk/fsck anyway. It can't harm |
| 21:22:47 | Sangue | I'm just going to jump in here and ask if someone can answer a question for me, maybe in private if necessary. |
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| 21:23:33 | domonoky | Sangue: if it is rockbox related, just ask... |
| 21:23:42 | Sangue | Alright. |
| 21:24:36 | Sangue | Well, my ipod (4th gen) had an issue [a drunk friend dropped it] and the music "vanished" I put rockbox on and got them to show back up again, but now over half of them are no longer tagged and I have2-3 copies of some of the songs on there, whereas I only had one before. |
| 21:24:54 | Sangue | I haven't found any documentation on the site about these issues yet, so I figured I'd come here and ask while I was on irc. |
| 21:25:21 | Lasse90 | I'm thinking of buying a sansa E280 but of course i don't want the v2. What are the chances of getting one? I'm buying it in Norway if it matters |
| 21:25:38 | domonoky | Sangue: did you check the disk for errors with something like checkdisk ? |
| 21:25:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | Lasse90: Buying a new Sansa will almost certainly get you a v2. eBay is your best bet for a v1. |
| 21:26:27 | Sangue | domonoky: It's fine. |
| 21:26:27 | Lasse90 | Ok. Thanks. |
| 21:27:11 | Lasse90 | When did they start making V2? Maybe i can ask for a older model if they have it |
| 21:27:18 | Sangue | I can deal with untagged music if I have to, but I just wanted to see how I could get rid of the extra songs. >: |
| 21:27:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | Lasse90: Since fall of 2007. |
| 21:27:39 | Sangue | of course, none of them show up in itunes anymore, so i can't delete them that way... |
| 21:27:52 | gevaerts | Sangue: did you maybe let checkdisk repair the filesystem earlier ? Maybe it was messed up enough for the repair to not be really effective |
| 21:28:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | Lasse90: Also, stores will just give you whatever they have in stock. That's why I suggested eBay. |
| 21:28:05 | domonoky | Sangue: you could make a playlist of all music, save it, and check the paths for where the dublicates hide.. :-) |
| 21:28:15 | Llorean | Sangue: you may be best off deleting the songs, and just copying them over using the filetree so you can manage them more directly. |
| 21:28:41 | Sangue | That's just it, I don't see how to delete the songs. |
| 21:28:52 | Lasse90 | Yes. But it shouldn't be a problem to return it and get my money back anyways. But i'll guess it safest for me to get a used one |
| 21:29:03 | BigBambi | Sangue: Do you want to get rid of all your songs and everything? |
| 21:29:05 | Sangue | I spent a while looking over the site and the software on the ipod itself. :> |
| 21:29:07 | Llorean | Sangue: They're all in the iPod_Control folder. |
| 21:29:17 | domonoky | Sangue: they are on you ipod, in the ipodControl folder, with strange names... |
| 21:29:19 | Sangue | Well, not all of the songs, just the duplicates, BigBambi. |
| 21:29:40 | BigBambi | And still have them work with the OF? |
| 21:29:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | Lasse90: That's your best bet. |
| 21:29:53 | * | gevaerts wonders if th irc police will allow suggesting formatting the data partition |
| 21:30:03 | BigBambi | gevaerts: Not as a first resort! |
| 21:30:28 | amiconn | I would recommend a chkdsk first. |
| 21:30:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | Lasse90: Oh yes, one more thing... when you go on eBay to look for one, ask the seller to read you the firmware revision on the Sansa. If the firmware starts with 01.XX.XX, it's a v1. If it's 03.XX.XX, move onward; that's a v2. |
| 21:30:41 | BigBambi | I thought he said he already did a chkdsk |
| 21:31:49 | Lasse90 | Ok, thanks for your help :) |
| 21:32:02 | amiconn | If it finds more than just a few simple errors, then I would reformat the data partition and put the music back on. |
| 21:32:19 | BigBambi | Sangue: IT sounds like the itunes database is corrupt. AFAIK, to get that back you'll need to wipe it with an iTunes restore or similar then re-add them. If you only want to use Rockbox, you could use a mass tagging program to rename all your files from their tags then delete the ones you don't want |
| 21:32:38 | amiconn | Otherwise I'd use a mass tagger for sorting, moving and renaming the existing music |
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| 21:33:08 | BigBambi | But if you have them all on your PC it may be easier to just wipe it and start again |
| 21:33:23 | * | gevaerts looks sternly at BigBambi |
| 21:33:33 | Sangue | i don't. the computer the mp3s were on died completely. |
| 21:33:37 | BigBambi | (n.b. after a iTunes restore you would need to reinstall the rockbox bootloader, a format would avoid this) |
| 21:33:48 | BigBambi | gevaerts: I suggested an alternative first :) |
| 21:34:09 | BigBambi | Sangue: So I would use a Mass Tagger to rename the files, rescue the ones you want, then sort out the iPod |
| 21:34:25 | gevaerts | Sangue: if you have a computer with enough space, I'd first make a full backup |
| 21:35:12 | amiconn | BigBambi: Only the bootloader? I thought the ipod updater formats the whole disk. But maybe it only does that on demand |
| 21:35:26 | BigBambi | amiconn: Er, don't know :) |
| 21:35:35 | BigBambi | amiconn: It probably does :) |
| 21:35:40 | Sangue | Alright. |
| 21:35:59 | * | gevaerts would be very suspicious about duplicate files and other files that lost their tags. Quite possibly the rest of the file contents got mixed up as well |
| 21:36:10 | BigBambi | aye |
| 21:36:12 | Sangue | oh, hey. maraz is in here. small world. |
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| 21:36:26 | BigBambi | I dropped my H140 a couple of years back, completely killed the disk |
| 21:36:33 | amiconn | I'm not sure. I only used it twice; once for getting rid of a non-working ipl installation, and a second time to convert a 1st Gen from HFS to FAT |
| 21:36:42 | BigBambi | That was depressing :/ |
| 21:36:53 | BigBambi | amiconn: I've never used it, but it makes sense that it would |
| 21:36:54 | Sangue | my other issues is that i don't have a wall-charger anymore. :> |
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| 21:37:18 | Sangue | factory reset always wants the charger. :/ |
| 21:37:41 | Sangue | but i'm picking through the control folder at the moment |
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| 21:39:07 | Sangue | i'll just back up things and try your suggestions before i resort to resetting |
| 21:39:18 | BigBambi | Yep |
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| 21:42:39 | Sangue | jeez, 109 minutes. |
| 21:43:04 | gevaerts | If you feel lucky you can skip the backup, but I wouldn't... |
| 21:43:11 | * | Sangue puts on her boxing gloves and prepares for battle with the ipod..after a quick late lunch. |
| 21:43:16 | Sangue | Nah, I plan to bakcup. |
| 21:43:19 | Sangue | I always back things up. |
| 21:43:28 | BigBambi | a good plan |
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| 21:44:01 | Sangue | Now, I shall lurk and leave you guys to..whatever, while I fight this. |
| 21:44:47 | fml | n1s: hello. Any toughts about FS #8953? Not that I really urgently needed it but just as a programming axercise. |
| 21:45:06 | fml | *thoughts, *exercise |
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| 21:52:41 | bertrik | gevaerts: sorry to ask again, but we can only use endpoints 00, 01, 81, 02 and 82 right? |
| 21:52:59 | gevaerts | on portalplayer, yes |
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| 22:22:18 | n1s | fml: I still inted to look at it, just that I'm slightly drunk at the moment and would rather not commit anything :) |
| 22:22:32 | n1s | s/inted/intend/ |
| 22:23:00 | Nico_P | ballmer's peak! :) |
| 22:25:40 | bertrik | gevaerts: I'm experimenting a bit with the USB descriptor for usb serial now on a USB microcontroller board. The simplest descriptor that still works with windows still needs 3 endpoints... |
| 22:26:49 | bertrik | I'll try a fake interrupt endpoint |
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| 22:43:10 | bertrik | weird, there is a line in usb_serial.c that ends in a ' instead of a ; |
| 22:43:20 | bertrik | , I mean |
| 22:43:23 | * | gevaerts looks |
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| 22:48:55 | * | gevaerts increases his commit count |
| 22:49:05 | * | preglow increases his commit dance count |
| 22:49:59 | * | DerPapst increases 'svn up' count |
| 22:50:28 | * | Bagder increases in general |
| 22:51:03 | * | bertrik crosses fingers |
| 22:51:47 | amiconn | ugh |
| 22:52:05 | * | shotofadds thinks you guys are just looking for things to fix to make the table more green :p |
| 22:53:29 | shotofadds | ..he says, while committing a rather tiny change |
| 22:53:41 | * | gevaerts reads http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16751.msg124602#msg124602 and decides that this is not his type of bug |
| 22:55:30 | Sangue | this is going to be a stupid question, most likely...but does rockbox not allow playing over the computer in a player at all? |
| 22:56:00 | gevaerts | Sangue: I'm not sure what you mean |
| 22:56:39 | BigBambi | Sangue: If you mean using the DAP as an external hard disk, sur |
| 22:56:40 | BigBambi | e |
| 22:56:42 | Sangue | such as, plugging the ipod into the computer and playing through itunes or some other plater |
| 22:56:47 | Sangue | ah, alright |
| 22:56:50 | Sangue | thanks BigBambi |
| 22:56:54 | BigBambi | So long as you copied the music on in a sane way |
| 22:57:05 | Sangue | :> |
| 22:57:05 | BigBambi | i.e. not suing itunes or something like that |
| 22:57:11 | BigBambi | s/suing/using |
| 22:57:17 | BigBambi | Don't sue itunes either! |
| 22:57:27 | Sangue | someone should :> |
| 22:57:30 | * | Sangue coughs |
| 22:58:05 | Sangue | urgh. |
| 22:58:12 | Sangue | note to self: hot philly cheese is hot |
| 22:58:39 | Llorean | gevaerts: That is a very strange recipe... reshuffle three times? Reduce the volume by 1? |
| 22:58:45 | * | Llorean wonders if you also must stand on your head while doing all this. |
| 22:58:54 | BigBambi | Or set the volume to -1? |
| 22:59:21 | Llorean | BigBambi: Good question. |
| 22:59:23 | BigBambi | Llorean: You must also be turning anti clockwise whilst rubbing your stomach |
| 22:59:23 | Llorean | Might as well ask. |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:29 | * | Llorean cringes looking at the EQ settings the person is using. |
| 23:00:51 | * | gevaerts looks for his c250 to try to reproduce this |
| 23:01:03 | Llorean | But I can't imagine being a basshead is likely to drag up obscure error messages. |
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| 23:01:28 | Nico_P | "very important change vol -1" |
| 23:01:58 | * | Nico_P is really puzzled |
| 23:02:24 | preglow | gevaerts: these typos don't affect anything, do they? |
| 23:03:09 | gevaerts | preglow: unless I really forgot all I know about C they don't |
| 23:03:36 | preglow | no, that's what i think as well |
| 23:03:59 | * | n1s wonders why VCAMEN is set on the beast... |
| 23:04:16 | * | n1s also tries to find the camera |
| 23:04:55 | bertrik | if I just updated the main firmware (not the plugins/codecs), is it possible to install just the main binary instead of making a zip and extracting it? |
| 23:05:01 | Nico_P | hidden in the headphone socket maybe? :) |
| 23:05:19 | Nico_P | bertrik: yes |
| 23:05:25 | bertrik | can I just copy the rockbox.mi4 to the .rockbox dir on the device? |
| 23:05:47 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:07:55 | Llorean | gevaerts: Well, the problem is "solved." Sadly this just means that it's likely now that we'll never figure out what caused it. =/ |
| 23:08:35 | * | gevaerts stops reproducing |
| 23:08:57 | gevaerts | Llorean: I still guess something with the filesystem |
| 23:10:28 | Llorean | Possibly. |
| 23:12:12 | n1s | How well does Rockbox handle corrupted, cleared nvram? |
| 23:12:50 | n1s | not at all related to the current discussion btw |
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| 23:15:18 | Nico_P | "to recover from an error, the PMC will restart and remove all media items." |
| 23:15:21 | * | gevaerts unfairly got 40 points |
| 23:15:55 | n1s | Nico_P: the notorious reformat error :) |
| 23:16:16 | Nico_P | yes, and I'm not liking it, given how long it took to put my music collection on the beast |
| 23:16:35 | Bagder | and those 40 points ruined many green builds in a row... |
| 23:16:37 | Nico_P | I think I'll just prevent it from doing it, at least for now |
| 23:16:58 | n1s | I've had to fix my FAT 3 times with fsck already, so it seems something isn't really right |
| 23:17:37 | * | scorche|sh checks the pool for who had 9 builds |
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| 23:17:54 | scorche|sh | shame...doesnt look like anyone bet 9 builds would be the breaker :) |
| 23:18:27 | Nico_P | gevaerts: you managed to segfault gcc! that must've been horribly wrong syntax :) |
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| 23:19:24 | gevaerts | Nico_P: even in a bit of code totally unrelated to my changes ! |
| 23:20:05 | Nico_P | crap, I allowed my beast to proceed with the wiping out of all my data :( |
| 23:20:19 | Mouser_X | D: |
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| 23:20:50 | Nico_P | the rockbox BL is still there but freezes after "disk init done" |
| 23:21:29 | Mouser_X | So, IIRC, you can't resize the 'beast's firmware partition, correct? |
| 23:21:54 | Nico_P | no. I think linuxstb was the one who tried it |
| 23:22:08 | Mouser_X | You can remove everything from the device except for nk.bin (everything from both partitions), but you can't resize the firmware partition? |
| 23:22:23 | Mouser_X | Yah, that's what I thought (about linuxstb trying it). |
| 23:22:33 | Mouser_X | That's annoying. |
| 23:22:39 | n1s | Mouser_X: should be in yesterday's log |
| 23:22:47 | Nico_P | how big is the system partition? |
| 23:23:00 | Mouser_X | I thought it was around 200 MB. |
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| 23:23:10 | Mouser_X | (Pretty big, IMO.) |
| 23:23:29 | Mouser_X | 150. |
| 23:23:43 | Mouser_X | (I have it hooked up right now.) |
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| 23:24:19 | Mouser_X | 25-50 MB is more than enough space... Too bad it breaks the OF. |
| 23:24:33 | n1s | Nico_P: did the disk speed improvement help usb transfer speed? |
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| 23:24:46 | Mouser_X | What about renaming the partitions? "TFAT" isn't very helpful. |
| 23:24:54 | Mouser_X | (Did anyone try that yet?) |
| 23:24:57 | Nico_P | n1s: I didn't try out, but I guess I will no |
| 23:25:02 | Nico_P | s/no/now |
| 23:25:15 | Bagder | tfat? that's the same name the zune uses |
| 23:25:25 | Mouser_X | Interesting. |
| 23:25:42 | n1s | Bagder: is ist win ce based too? |
| 23:25:46 | Bagder | yes it is |
| 23:26:00 | Nico_P | both partitions are called that |
| 23:28:08 | * | Nico_P is thinking about an iconview and how it could be used for AA, but wonders where all the thumbnails would be stored |
| 23:28:35 | Nico_P | (I mean in memory) |
| 23:31:26 | Llorean | Nico_P: I suppose the album art would be used for the folders or something? |
| 23:31:51 | Nico_P | Llorean: something like that |
| 23:32:19 | Nico_P | it would be pretty neat IMHO, and I think an iconview is going to be required for touchscreen targets |
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| 23:32:39 | Llorean | Not necessarily required, but it'd make UI navigation much more comfortable. |
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| 23:38:22 | bertrik | great, linux barfed on my USB descriptor |
| 23:38:22 | linuxstb | Mouser_X: I tried resizing the first partition to about 1MB, and it didn't like it. Although thinking about it again, maybe I didn't remember to format both partitions.... |
| 23:39:08 | linuxstb | Mouser_X: But it seems (so far...) to be quite brick-proof. Recovery mode always seems to kick in... |
| 23:40:05 | Mouser_X | Yes. That's good. But I really don't want to have to put the OF back on there... The tools for Windows users are lacking. |
| 23:40:11 | Llorean | linuxstb: So it's possible we'll be stuck with a giant partition until such time as we can load our own code into flash (if ever)? |
| 23:40:27 | Mouser_X | (This is why I'm sticking with Rockbox. UMS mode makes life so much better.) |
| 23:40:31 | linuxstb | Llorean: I need to try it again... |
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| 23:41:36 | Llorean | Well another option is just to actually make use of that partition by installing the build to it as well, though that makes it impossible for people to browse into the .rockbox folder from within Rockbox. |
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| 23:43:08 | * | gevaerts suggests to use it for a disk-backed paging malloc |
| 23:43:17 | * | gevaerts quickly runs away |
| 23:45:23 | n1s | we did get a request for a paging file :D |
| 23:45:33 | * | preglow increments his good idea dance count |
| 23:47:08 | * | n1s misses the dancing that used to go on in here ;) |
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| 23:47:53 | Bagder | n1s: we're saving up for devcon! ;-P |
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| 23:56:03 | Nico_P | n1s: wow unzipping the build is superfast now |
| 23:58:11 | linuxstb | Mouser_X: Renaming the partitions works fine... |
| 23:58:30 | Mouser_X | Awesome |
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