| 00:00:01 | linuxstb | Hmm, seems it doesn't like the first partition being reformatted though - that seems to be the issue. |
| 00:00:10 | amiconn | Llorean: If the firmware partition is also FAT, it could be used with a multivolume build |
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| 00:00:57 | amiconn | (although I don't think it's worth the hassle) |
| 00:01:44 | preglow | agreed |
| 00:01:55 | preglow | and the firmware partition has no format, i think |
| 00:02:06 | preglow | so it'll mean extra code |
| 00:02:36 | Mouser_X | The 'beast's firmware partition is FAT32. At least, it sure looks that way. |
| 00:02:54 | Mouser_X | Properties says it is. |
| 00:03:00 | Mouser_X | (In Windows.) |
| 00:04:26 | * | linuxstb doesn't understand what's upsetting the S's bootloader - just reformatting the firmware partition is enough to upset it and make it enter recovery mode |
| 00:04:52 | Nico_P | linuxstb: reformatting and sending nk.bin back? |
| 00:05:08 | linuxstb | Reformatting and copying nk.bin back |
| 00:06:51 | preglow | probably has a lousy fat driver, then |
| 00:07:28 | Nico_P | maybe it has some kind of way of knowing things have changed |
| 00:07:38 | linuxstb | Well, it's WIndows CE, so I would have expected it to do FAT... |
| 00:08:38 | amiconn | Perhaps there's a special flag somewhere |
| 00:09:19 | * | amiconn wouldn't be surprised, giving microsoft's "don't touch" extensions of their own standard |
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| 00:11:26 | linuxstb | Copying files to the partition seems to work - i.e. replacing the nk.bin (Rockbox bootloader) file |
| 00:14:02 | preglow | amiconn: didn't you find a detailed account of the arm9 pipeline somewhere? |
| 00:17:14 | toffe82 | the S is TFAT : http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa915463.aspx |
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| 00:17:49 | preglow | what, not fatx? |
| 00:17:50 | preglow | go microsoft |
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| 00:27:31 | Nico_P | toffe82: maybe that causes some problems for us? |
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| 00:28:48 | toffe82 | I don't know |
| 00:29:57 | Nico_P | if we don't correctly update both FATs we might encounter trouble |
| 00:30:10 | Nico_P | ... when going back to the OF |
| 00:31:02 | n1s | Maybe tfat support wouldn't be so bad for usb mode either... |
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| 00:31:14 | n1s | Nico_P: great news about the speed :) |
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| 00:31:51 | amiconn | preglow: I have no idea about the arm pipeline. If you're looking for the instruction cycle counts, infocenter.arm.com has them |
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| 00:44:43 | ibycus | hi everyone, i can't make my itrip work with rockbox |
| 00:44:53 | ibycus | ive turned accessory power on but it won't work at all |
| 00:45:01 | ibycus | any other options i can try? |
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| 00:55:54 | ^Parrot^ | ok.. songs are loaded.. now... how can I randomly play them all? I am reading the manual and it talks of playlists. fine... how do I add ALL the songs to the playlist if a playlist is required? |
| 00:56:13 | ^Parrot^ | I have the manual open but it does not say how to do this |
| 00:56:19 | ^Parrot^ | Ipod 5th gen. btw |
| 00:57:56 | Nico_P | ^Parrot^: either withe the DB (wich might be very slow), or if you have all your music in a dir, insert that dir recursively |
| 00:58:15 | Nico_P | s/slow/long if you have a lot of music |
| 00:58:24 | ^Parrot^ | 4700+ songs |
| 00:58:32 | ^Parrot^ | dir by album artist |
| 00:59:04 | ^Parrot^ | <root>\music\album artist\album\title |
| 00:59:06 | Nico_P | without a parent dir to all that I don't know whether it's possible without the DB |
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| 00:59:30 | Nico_P | ah, then use "insert" on "music", after having enabled the "insert recursively" setting |
| 00:59:43 | ^Parrot^ | walk slow with this old man... |
| 01:00 |
| 01:00:03 | ^Parrot^ | at main menu' |
| 01:00:12 | ^Parrot^ | settings ? |
| 01:00:14 | Nico_P | settings > general settings > playlists > recursively... |
| 01:00:38 | Nico_P | select "on" or "ask", depending on your preference |
| 01:00:38 | ^Parrot^ | ok |
| 01:00:39 | ^Parrot^ | done |
| 01:01:02 | Nico_P | then long press select on the music dir to get the contextual menu |
| 01:01:26 | Nico_P | playlist > insert |
| 01:01:44 | ^Parrot^ | get to music dir in files? |
| 01:01:48 | Nico_P | yes |
| 01:02:04 | ^Parrot^ | ok |
| 01:02:08 | ^Parrot^ | there |
| 01:02:26 | Nico_P | the idea is to create a playlist of all your songs |
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| 01:02:35 | Nico_P | and shuffle through that |
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| 01:02:41 | ^Parrot^ | yup |
| 01:02:53 | ^Parrot^ | insert.... |
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| 01:03:13 | le-bemawi | I have an samsung YP-U1, I m view some samsung here (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus) but, not YP-U1. Can I install rockbox or not ? (sorry for my bad english, i never write in this language ^^) |
| 01:03:28 | Llorean | le-bemawi: No, you cannot. |
| 01:04:09 | scorche|sh | le-bemawi: the front page lists the devices that rockbox runs on |
| 01:04:19 | ^Parrot^ | hmmm data abort at 00000004 |
| 01:04:27 | Nico_P | :/ |
| 01:04:28 | le-bemawi | :'( Do you know an open firmware for my YP-U1 ? |
| 01:04:43 | Nico_P | ^Parrot^: are you using an up to date version ? |
| 01:04:57 | ^Parrot^ | I think so.. 2-3 days |
| 01:04:59 | ^Parrot^ | ? |
| 01:05:49 | ^Parrot^ | checking |
| 01:06:07 | Nico_P | I don't know of any specific fixes for that issue |
| 01:06:16 | ^Parrot^ | rebooted |
| 01:06:59 | ^Parrot^ | v r17139-080416 |
| 01:07:23 | Nico_P | well that's quite old already. you should probably update |
| 01:07:45 | ^Parrot^ | hmm |
| 01:08:06 | * | Nico_P just inserted his whole album collection flawlessy |
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| 01:08:16 | Nico_P | (ipod 5.5G, ~2000 tracks) |
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| 01:08:36 | * | ^Parrot^ is not as l33t as Nico_P :p |
| 01:08:53 | Nico_P | it's really not hard |
| 01:09:12 | Nico_P | ^Parrot^: when exactly did it crash? had it started inserting? |
| 01:09:38 | ^Parrot^ | yes |
| 01:09:43 | ^Parrot^ | had to reboot |
| 01:09:48 | ^Parrot^ | working fine now.. |
| 01:09:57 | ^Parrot^ | restarting playlist procedure |
| 01:10:29 | ^Parrot^ | inseting tracks |
| 01:11:08 | ^Parrot^ | to update just copy the .rockbox subdir to <ipod>\.rockbox ? |
| 01:11:26 | ^Parrot^ | hmm |
| 01:11:29 | ^Parrot^ | error: couldn' |
| 01:11:34 | Nico_P | yes, you can just replace the old install |
| 01:11:58 | ^Parrot^ | error: couldn't load codec . codec failure codecs/mpa.codec |
| 01:12:07 | ^Parrot^ | will update rockbox |
| 01:12:09 | ^Parrot^ | brb |
| 01:12:22 | Nico_P | yes you need to unzip the whole build |
| 01:12:53 | ^Parrot^ | overwrite all ? |
| 01:13:40 | Nico_P | yes |
| 01:14:04 | TheNumber | Hello !!! |
| 01:15:12 | TheNumber | i am interesting to have ogg file in my digital player so does it exist an open frimware for thease kind of player |
| 01:15:13 | ^Parrot^ | have to make room... gotta remove the jpgs that rockbox can't use |
| 01:15:13 | TheNumber | http://images.hepsiburada.com/assets/Bilgisayar/500/bd30157m.jpg |
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| 01:16:49 | Nico_P | TheNumber: rockbox doesn't support this player |
| 01:16:53 | ^Parrot^ | moving files.... |
| 01:17:03 | TheNumber | Thanks |
| 01:17:04 | ^Parrot^ | growing older as it happens... |
| 01:17:07 | ^Parrot^ | :0 |
| 01:17:19 | * | Nico_P heads off to bed |
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| 01:17:46 | TheNumber | good night |
| 01:18:24 | TheNumber | me to time to go Good night Chan-san |
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| 01:20:16 | ^Parrot^ | ok.. rebooted... |
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| 01:23:50 | ^Parrot^ | If I want to use the db for title, artist, albu and album artist, do I have to make db playlists 4 times? |
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| 02:50:25 | RoC_MasterMind | I just got another gigabeat f40....what are the folders I have to leave on the drive once rockbox is on it? |
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| 04:21:19 | JdGordon | can anyone reproduce 8970 |
| 04:21:22 | JdGordon | ? |
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| 05:07:28 | creamycenter2003 | i am having trouble booting rockbox on my sansa c240 v.1. If anybody feels like helping, please acknowledge |
| 05:07:49 | | Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 05:08:30 | JdGordon | how about just asking your question and if someon knows the answer they'll help? |
| 05:08:45 | creamycenter2003 | i get the rockbox bootloader up, but it says it cant find OF.mi4 |
| 05:08:55 | creamycenter2003 | it is looking in /system/ |
| 05:09:35 | creamycenter2003 | i have tried placing/renaming the sandisk firmware to OF.mi4 |
| 05:09:47 | JdGordon | I thought we stopped using OF,mi4? |
| 05:10:04 | JdGordon | how did you install the bootloader? |
| 05:10:11 | creamycenter2003 | copy pasta |
| 05:10:18 | creamycenter2003 | into the root |
| 05:10:26 | creamycenter2003 | from recovery mode |
| 05:11:02 | JdGordon | and which instructions told you to do that? |
| 05:11:08 | creamycenter2003 | the wiki |
| 05:11:11 | JdGordon | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansac200/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 certainly didnt |
| 05:12:01 | creamycenter2003 | i had to do it manually because the stock firmware just hangs |
| 05:13:35 | JdGordon | does recovery mode still work? |
| 05:13:41 | creamycenter2003 | i put the /.rockbox/ into the root, straight from the zip, then i put firmware.mi4 |
| 05:13:43 | creamycenter2003 | yes |
| 05:13:46 | creamycenter2003 | thats all that works |
| 05:14:47 | JdGordon | if its the same as the e200 the only thing your supposed to put there is the sansa firmware.mi4 file... no rockbox files |
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| 05:17:11 | creamycenter2003 | the wiki said to copy the .rockbox dir into the root, followed by firmware.mi4 |
| 05:17:36 | JdGordon | where? |
| 05:18:25 | creamycenter2003 | Note: If the contents of the .zip file are extracted correctly, you will have a directory called /.rockbox, which contains all the files needed by Rockbox, in the main directory of your player’s drive. |
| 05:19:33 | JdGordon | on which page? and thats for MSC mode anyway.. not recovery |
| 05:20:52 | creamycenter2003 | how might i do it in recovery? |
| 05:21:07 | creamycenter2003 | because i cant do msc |
| 05:21:38 | creamycenter2003 | i presume due to corrupt mp3's loaded in |
| 05:21:54 | creamycenter2003 | so the thing just hangs on the sandisk splash |
| 05:22:33 | creamycenter2003 | 2.3.2. Manual Installation |
| 05:23:36 | JdGordon | if you dont mind formatting it copy a file called "sansa.fmt" onto the recovery mode disk and then reboot it, that should format the c200 and if it was corrupt files you should be ok again |
| 05:24:06 | creamycenter2003 | yeah, i did that many times |
| 05:25:14 | JdGordon | ok, copy http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/c200/firmware.mi4 onto it in rec mode |
| 05:27:34 | creamycenter2003 | it still just hangs at the sandisk splash |
| 05:27:55 | * | JdGordon is out of ideas |
| 05:28:07 | JdGordon | Llorean: any chance you can help him out? |
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| 05:29:09 | creamycenter2003 | i just dont get why the rockbox installs ok, just gives me an error when looking for OF.bin and OF.mi4 |
| 05:29:32 | creamycenter2003 | and where is this "/system" directory anyway? |
| 05:29:53 | Llorean | You shouldn't be installing on a c200 without its original firmware booting normally first |
| 05:29:58 | Llorean | Then you should be installing using sansapatcher. |
| 05:30:22 | Llorean | But, the file JdGordon linked can be used as OF.mi4. Just create a SYSTEM folder in the root, and put the file in it named OF.mi4, and it MIGHT work. |
| 05:30:33 | Llorean | But you're better off doing things the proper way as per the manual, which requires recovering your device first. |
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| 05:31:00 | creamycenter2003 | well, it wont recover, thats the problem |
| 05:31:15 | creamycenter2003 | i will try making a /system |
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| 05:31:21 | mrpockets | anyone here? |
| 05:31:41 | Beta2K | Nope |
| 05:31:52 | Llorean | creamycenter2003: Does recovery mode say that it detects the firmware? |
| 05:31:53 | mrpockets | wanna sport me some help champ? |
| 05:31:54 | Mouser_X | Same here. |
| 05:32:28 | Beta2K | ASk away, you don't need to ask :) |
| 05:32:29 | Llorean | mrpockets: You don't need to ask to ask. Just ask your question. We can't know if we can help you until we know the question |
| 05:32:36 | creamycenter2003 | it says Mini-B- Device mode USB2.0 MSD |
| 05:32:37 | Mouser_X | mrpockets: You're not helpind yourself any. We can't help you if you don't tell us what to help with. |
| 05:32:44 | mrpockets | lol |
| 05:32:44 | mrpockets | yeah |
| 05:32:46 | mrpockets | got it |
| 05:32:55 | mrpockets | didn't know if this was a real chan, or just a few goons chill'en. |
| 05:33:02 | Beta2K | lol |
| 05:33:05 | Mouser_X | Mostly the latter. |
| 05:33:07 | Mouser_X | :P |
| 05:33:11 | mrpockets | I'm running Ubuntu here, 7.10. How the hell do i get the Ipod in Disk mode :( |
| 05:33:20 | Beta2K | There's a ton of ppls here, someone has to be watching :) |
| 05:33:31 | Llorean | Mouser_X: No, it's a real channel... |
| 05:33:41 | Llorean | mrpockets: The channel has posted guidelines you should've read. |
| 05:33:59 | Llorean | As for disk mode, it has nothing to do with your OS. Depending on your iPod the instructions are different, but they're even posted at the apple site. |
| 05:34:30 | Llorean | creamycenter2003: When you copy the firmware.mi4 to it, on disconnect it should mention finding it and updating |
| 05:34:48 | creamycenter2003 | yeah, it does that |
| 05:35:30 | Llorean | And you tried it with the exact file JdGordon linked? |
| 05:35:33 | creamycenter2003 | and it even loads rockbox bootloader, but fails to find OF.bin, so it tries OF.mi4 |
| 05:35:35 | creamycenter2003 | yes |
| 05:35:57 | Llorean | The file JdGordon linked, after upgrading, it shouldn't load the Rockbox bootloader... |
| 05:36:04 | creamycenter2003 | i did, and it removes the rockbox loader |
| 05:36:12 | Llorean | And the original firmware freezes? |
| 05:36:18 | creamycenter2003 | and leaves me with the frozen orig |
| 05:36:37 | creamycenter2003 | even the one from the sandisk forums freezes |
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| 05:37:28 | creamycenter2003 | is the bootloader/firmware stored on the same NAND flash chip? |
| 05:37:48 | creamycenter2003 | i am wondering if the chip is bad |
| 05:38:32 | Llorean | creamycenter2003: If sansa.fmt won't work after recovering the firmware, there's certainly something worse wrong than just some corrupt MP3s, since they're long gone. |
| 05:39:02 | creamycenter2003 | i thought so.... |
| 05:39:37 | Llorean | Creating an OF.mi4 shouldn't work, since it'll just encounter the same problem that's preventing the OF from loading normally |
| 05:39:48 | creamycenter2003 | i am just surprised that the new firmware would load and "change" if the flash was bad |
| 05:40:00 | Llorean | There's also no way to put it on, since you don't have USB access without a working OF. |
| 05:40:32 | JdGordon | not totally true... e200tool can be used to put a file onto the flash |
| 05:40:45 | JdGordon | but the program needs to be coded manually |
| 05:40:54 | creamycenter2003 | should i boot up ubuntu and try? |
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| 06:03:23 | creamycenter2003 | how do i work diagnostic mode? |
| 06:03:50 | creamycenter2003 | i load in to it, and a bunch of text flys by |
| 06:04:32 | creamycenter2003 | and lands on "upgrade firmware"erase sd media" erase sd nvp" |
| 06:04:51 | creamycenter2003 | what is that last option? and how do i select it |
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| 08:42:02 | * | linuxstb offfers some coffee in an attempt to wake the channel |
| 08:44:46 | * | LinusN smells coffee and wakes up |
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| 08:48:55 | JdGordon | *yawn* |
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| 08:49:17 | * | GodEater needs coffee intravenously to wake up |
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| 08:50:23 | JdGordon | grab some caffenated soap from thinkgeek :D |
| 08:50:38 | * | GodEater blames his apparent narcolepsy on playing GTA:IV too late into the night :-/ |
| 08:51:48 | GodEater | anyone seen this ? http://code.google.com/appengine/articles/rietveld.html |
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| 08:54:19 | * | scorche has been hearing about it in a gsoc related channel that has 8 people in it |
| 08:54:43 | markun | GodEater: it's basically what we do already. Looking at diffs on the frontpage and talking about them in here. |
| 08:54:51 | LinusN | looks like our cvs mailing list serves that purpose well, if not better |
| 08:55:27 | * | GodEater pops the url back into the envelope and mails it back to google with "not needed" written on it |
| 08:55:46 | linuxstb | But isn't the difference that we generally review code _after_ commit? |
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| 08:56:48 | LinusN | linuxstb: yes, that is true |
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| 08:58:35 | LinusN | hmmm, maybe i misunderstood |
| 08:58:53 | LinusN | it could be useful for discussing flyspray patches |
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| 09:00:37 | * | linuxstb suggests "someone" should install it for us to play with |
| 09:00:54 | * | scorche has a google app account |
| 09:02:03 | linuxstb | You need a google app account to use it? |
| 09:04:01 | scorche | i think so as it relies on Googles servers for stuff like BigTable |
| 09:04:10 | scorche | not sure though |
| 09:04:56 | scorche | there is this, but i suppose it doesnt quite confirmhttp://groups.google.com/group/codereview-discuss/browse_thread/thread/80392d2be3cda69b |
| 09:04:57 | GodEater | I thought only Mondrian relied on BigTable ? |
| 09:05:09 | scorche | GodEater: as i said...i am not sure |
| 09:05:36 | GodEater | well they're running a demo here : http://codereview.appspot.com/ |
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| 09:10:31 | JdGordon | bringing channel back on topic... has the quickscreen frozen for anyone? there is a report on flyspray but i havnt reproduced it (reported on nano) |
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| 09:19:44 | LinusN | i like that rietveld tool |
| 09:20:21 | LinusN | hmmm, i rarely use the quickscreen |
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| 09:23:21 | yeal` | ROCKBOX |
| 09:23:29 | yeal` | what is a good modular for rockbox |
| 09:23:33 | yeal` | to make it good for ipod |
| 09:23:46 | yeal` | for ipod, i don't think i ahve to load a database each time |
| 09:23:52 | yeal` | how can i fix that for rockbox? |
| 09:23:56 | JdGordon | why dont we use the piezo on the ipods for the keyclick? |
| 09:24:04 | yeal` | what is piezo? |
| 09:25:13 | markun | yeal`: what do you mean by "modular"? |
| 09:25:43 | yeal` | i meant add-ons |
| 09:26:38 | markun | we have some patches to change parts of rockbox, but I'm still not sure what you are asking for. |
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| 09:42:36 | linuxstb | JdGordon: There's been a patch for that for years, but I don't think it was good enough to commit. |
| 09:44:42 | * | JdGordon grabs piezo.c from the patch and gets to work |
| 09:44:44 | B4gder | yeal`: we actually think rockbox is good for ipod already |
| 09:44:47 | linuxstb | yeal`: The only "add-ons" are the plugins/viewers which are included with the standard install - everything that's available for Rockbox (apart from "in-progess" developments) is included in the standard download. |
| 09:45:06 | JdGordon | does it make sense that keyclick would always use the piezo instead of headphones? |
| 09:45:14 | JdGordon | or both? |
| 09:45:22 | linuxstb | I don't think so, but I wouldn't use that feature anyway. |
| 09:46:31 | markun | the meizu's also have such a piezo |
| 09:48:02 | LinusN | JdGordon: i think both options are useful. for example, i wouldn't want a beep in my headphones for each wheel movement |
| 09:48:45 | JdGordon | imo thats when you woulod use it |
| 09:49:00 | JdGordon | lack of feedback on the wheel sucks |
| 09:49:54 | linuxstb | In general or for blind users? |
| 09:50:03 | JdGordon | in general |
| 09:51:01 | linuxstb | Then I disagree |
| 09:52:38 | markun | you can get visual feedback |
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| 09:57:09 | * | linuxstb notices there is no mention of devcon on the front page news |
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| 10:11:55 | creamycenter2003 | ok, my sansa wont boot, i am trying to re flash the bootloader, but it keeps failing upon mounting, saying over and over: "LUN0 locked""LUN0 unlocked" |
| 10:12:33 | creamycenter2003 | is there a secret to restoring it from a bad flash, with e200tool |
| 10:12:57 | JdGordon | e200tool is for manufacturer mode |
| 10:13:03 | creamycenter2003 | yes |
| 10:13:53 | creamycenter2003 | thats the only mode it will boot, as it goofed up during a nand format, so it is 100% blank |
| 10:15:02 | creamycenter2003 | i sent it pribootloader.rom and it brings up the recovery screen, then as soon as the 16meg drive is mounted, it goes into a fit about LUN0 lock/unlocked |
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| 10:15:21 | JdGordon | thats normal iirc.. as long as it stays booted |
| 10:15:25 | JdGordon | mounted even |
| 10:15:58 | creamycenter2003 | it does, then it says loading image, loading font loading etc....and then it reboots, and nothing |
| 10:16:20 | creamycenter2003 | it's like it wont hold the flash it just loaded |
| 10:16:49 | B4gder | what did you say about the "nand format" ? what was that and how did you do that? |
| 10:16:57 | JdGordon | yes, before it reboots you need to hold rec (or whatevr it is) to get into the rec mode |
| 10:17:29 | creamycenter2003 | in diagnostic mode, it was formatting, when the battery came undone, leaving me with bad situation |
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| 10:17:45 | B4gder | diagnostic mode? |
| 10:17:58 | B4gder | you mean the one we call recovery mode? |
| 10:17:58 | creamycenter2003 | hold down arrow on bootup |
| 10:18:40 | * | B4gder doesn't remember what buttons that do what |
| 10:18:56 | creamycenter2003 | it has the option to format the internal sd |
| 10:19:15 | B4gder | I've never seen any such |
| 10:19:15 | creamycenter2003 | which it was doing when the battey dropped |
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| 10:20:10 | creamycenter2003 | so now i'm trying to put the bootloader/firmware back on, with e200tool, running under ubuntu |
| 10:21:00 | creamycenter2003 | it sends the bootloader over, the device loads it and gives me recovery mode, but wont accept any flash perm |
| 10:21:46 | B4gder | you tried creating a .fmt file in recovery mode? |
| 10:21:54 | creamycenter2003 | yes |
| 10:22:12 | JdGordon | what file are you copying in recovery mode? |
| 10:22:27 | B4gder | is this a c200 sansa ? |
| 10:22:57 | creamycenter2003 | pribootLoader.rom and firmware.mi4 as well as font. Yes c200 v.1. |
| 10:23:18 | B4gder | then I believe you are in the c200 sansa nand flash ruined mess hell |
| 10:23:30 | creamycenter2003 | yes that |
| 10:23:45 | * | B4gder points to gevaerts |
| 10:23:47 | B4gder | :-) |
| 10:23:47 | gevaerts | creamycenter2003: c240 or c250 ? Are you running linux ? |
| 10:23:51 | * | gevaerts hides |
| 10:23:53 | creamycenter2003 | yes |
| 10:24:19 | linuxstb | What about compiling a Rockbox build with USB mass storage enabled, and uploading the rockbox.bin as pribootLoader.rom ? |
| 10:24:58 | * | creamycenter2003 will try |
| 10:25:00 | B4gder | linuxstb: the problem with the c200 models is they seem to "trust" a totally messed up partition table and thus can refuse to function |
| 10:25:28 | creamycenter2003 | would it make a difference if i used rockbox vs doing it by hand? |
| 10:25:32 | linuxstb | e200rpatcher could probably also be used, modified to upload such a rockbox.bin |
| 10:25:48 | B4gder | you need a tool that can restore the partition tables |
| 10:26:09 | B4gder | but I guess usb-storage access would do for that |
| 10:26:26 | linuxstb | creamycenter2003: Can you compile your own Rockbox builds? |
| 10:26:27 | creamycenter2003 | is there a binary available? i'm running the live distro, so it will take forever to compile |
| 10:26:29 | * | B4gder gets things very very slowly |
| 10:27:00 | * | linuxstb hands B4gder a Ristretto |
| 10:27:31 | * | B4gder awakens |
| 10:27:39 | creamycenter2003 | how do i gain access to the flash partitions, without having the firmware already on it? |
| 10:28:03 | B4gder | creamycenter2003: by loading a tool for that onto the target using e200tool |
| 10:29:21 | gevaerts | creamycenter2003: do you have access to a linux machine ? |
| 10:29:43 | creamycenter2003 | so load the rockbox bootload in using 200tool, then copy the firmawre into the 16mb drive? |
| 10:29:45 | * | linuxstb compiles a c200 build with USB enabled |
| 10:29:50 | Mouser_X | gevaerts: I think he's running ubuntu. |
| 10:30:00 | Mouser_X | Possibly off a CD? I'm not sure on that. |
| 10:30:03 | linuxstb | creamycenter2003: Wait a few minutes, I'm building a tool for you... |
| 10:30:11 | creamycenter2003 | coolness |
| 10:30:34 | Mouser_X | Yes. The people here are usually really nice (and always awesome, in one way or another). |
| 10:30:45 | * | gevaerts waits for linuxstb's tool. If that works it's most probably much cleaner than his own |
| 10:35:16 | linuxstb | creamycenter2003: Try putting your c200 in manufacturing mode, then run this tool - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/e200rpatcher.tgz |
| 10:36:05 | linuxstb | It does a similar thing to e200tool, but will upload a Rockbox build with USB mass storage enabled. You should then be able to access your c200's flash from your computer and fix the partition table and firmware partition. |
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| 10:39:05 | gevaerts | linuxstb: how did you build it ? Give rockbox.bin ro the e200rpatcher build as bootloader.bin ? |
| 10:39:14 | linuxstb | Yes |
| 10:39:47 | gevaerts | So reasonably easy... Much cleaner than my hack |
| 10:40:00 | * | amiconn agrees with JdGordon regarding the wheel feedback |
| 10:40:05 | creamycenter2003 | the program said Patching application uploaded successfully! |
| 10:40:24 | linuxstb | And what happened on your c200? |
| 10:40:24 | creamycenter2003 | how do i procede? not drives are mounted |
| 10:40:39 | creamycenter2003 | it stays blue, blank screen |
| 10:40:43 | linuxstb | If it worked, you should see the Rockbox USB screen - an image of a USB plug... |
| 10:40:46 | linuxstb | OK, then it didn't work. |
| 10:41:08 | gevaerts | creamycenter2003: then download http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/c240erase |
| 10:41:08 | linuxstb | Maybe the c200 doesn't do enough initialisation for a Rockbox build to work without the bootloader... |
| 10:41:45 | gevaerts | creamycenter2003: same procedure : put it into manufacturer mode and run c240erase (as root). |
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| 10:43:16 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Does your tool attempt to use the LCD? |
| 10:43:28 | gevaerts | linuxstb: yes |
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| 10:45:31 | gevaerts | linuxstb: source is at http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/main-c240wipe.c, but it needs some manual build environment twiddling to get it to work |
| 10:45:44 | gevaerts | Which is why I haven't committed yet |
| 10:45:56 | creamycenter2003 | i cant get c240erase to even open |
| 10:46:02 | creamycenter2003 | it just says bad command |
| 10:46:38 | gevaerts | can you run "md5sum c240erase" and tell me what it says ? |
| 10:47:04 | gevaerts | Is it executable ? If not, run "chmod +x c240erase" |
| 10:47:40 | gevaerts | (for the md5sum, if you can't easily copy/paste, just give the first 4 ot 5 characters) |
| 10:47:59 | creamycenter2003 | nevermind i forgot to chmod it |
| 10:48:08 | creamycenter2003 | oh ^^ |
| 10:48:46 | gevaerts | Normally I would have mentionned the chmod step, but since you already ran linuxstb's e200rpatcher, I assumed you wouldn't forget :) |
| 10:49:07 | creamycenter2003 | it's zeroing flash |
| 10:49:14 | creamycenter2003 | do i hold record? |
| 10:49:22 | gevaerts | No. Just leave it alone |
| 10:50:05 | gevaerts | This will take a while (between 10 and 40 minutes I guess, but I'm not sure). Once it's done there should be something on the screen about pressing any key |
| 10:50:27 | creamycenter2003 | then will i run e200patcher |
| 10:50:29 | creamycenter2003 | ? |
| 10:50:48 | linuxstb | gevaerts: I put e200rpatcher in a .tgz to avoid that step... |
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| 10:51:08 | linuxstb | creamycenter2003: No, this is an alternative method to e200rpatcher |
| 10:51:36 | gevaerts | After that, you need to put it back into manufacturer mode and do the "normal" e200tool recover procedure (i.e. "e200tool recover pribootloader.rom" and copy pribootloader.rom and firmware.mi4 to the recovery drive) |
| 10:51:57 | creamycenter2003 | got it |
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| 10:52:51 | gevaerts | Then the OF should work. I recommend formatting the data partition again _from within the OF_ (i.e. Settings->Format) to be sure |
| 10:53:07 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Do you build your main-c240wipe.c as a bootloader build? |
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| 10:54:51 | gevaerts | linuxstb: let me check. It's been a while since I did the twiddling |
| 10:55:12 | linuxstb | I'm guessing you did, as you use "printf" |
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| 10:56:23 | gevaerts | linuxstb: I actually configure for e200rpatcher, then change the Makefile a bit to have the right TARGET, build, edit bootloader/linkage.lds (It needs to start at 0x40004000), and relink |
| 10:56:51 | * | gevaerts doesn't remember how he found this. It's two months ago... |
| 10:56:53 | linuxstb | Ah, of course... That's why my rockbox.bin failed... |
| 10:57:22 | gevaerts | The 0x40004000 ? |
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| 10:57:39 | linuxstb | Yes, I forgot it gets uploaded to IRAM. |
| 10:57:54 | linuxstb | And it's too big as well... |
| 10:58:46 | linuxstb | We would need to enable interrupts in the PP bootloaders, and add UMS mode... |
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| 11:00:03 | * | gevaerts still thinks that sandisk screwed up by not making the sansa.fmt trick work properly on c200 |
| 11:02:26 | gevaerts | creamycenter2003: which wiki page did you follow originally (with OF.mi4 in /SYSTEM/ instructions) ? |
| 11:04:01 | creamycenter2003 | that was a result, not a direction, i followed the manual install method, where i copy firmware and bootloader to the root. it booted the loader for rockbox, and was searching for those files |
| 11:05:43 | creamycenter2003 | i eventually got the OF to load, by random chance, after i formatted the internal memory, from within the diagnostic mode |
| 11:06:09 | creamycenter2003 | but sansa.fmt did absoulutely nothing |
| 11:07:07 | gevaerts | I know. sansa.fmt not working is why I wrote this tool. |
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| 11:09:58 | creamycenter2003 | so which firmware should i use? the one from the sandisl forums, the ones from the e200tool page, or the ones from the rockbox site? |
| 11:10:50 | B4gder | first, avoid the sandisk forum |
| 11:11:01 | creamycenter2003 | will do |
| 11:11:04 | B4gder | at least for anything related to rockbox |
| 11:14:52 | B4gder | creamycenter2003: and if you mean what OF mi4 to use, it really doesn't matter since once you have restored you can upgrade that to whatever you want |
| 11:15:35 | B4gder | for rockbox, the OF version really is of little importance |
| 11:15:56 | creamycenter2003 | i just want this stupid thing to work |
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| 11:22:07 | gevaerts | Is it still counting down ? |
| 11:22:15 | creamycenter2003 | yep |
| 11:22:25 | creamycenter2003 | gots 43 mb left |
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| 11:50:59 | gevaerts | creamycenter2003: still going ? |
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| 12:29:13 | * | mrkiko freezed rockbox |
| 12:29:13 | mrkiko | :D |
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| 12:31:05 | mrkiko | with a compass I got the player to reset |
| 12:32:29 | mrkiko | What will actually happen if I activate the rockbox study mode? |
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| 12:35:07 | mrkiko | Ok - understood |
| 12:35:14 | GodEater | "study mode" ? |
| 12:35:48 | mrkiko | yes |
| 12:35:51 | mrkiko | :D it exists |
| 12:40:03 | mrkiko | Now I'll disable voice ... |
| 12:40:22 | mrkiko | done |
| 12:40:30 | mrkiko | Now I'll try to have a crash |
| 12:40:42 | mrkiko | with no voice file at all (I don't thrust rockbox enough to disable it by the menu... :D ) |
| 12:41:34 | mrkiko | I expect no more crashes |
| 12:41:44 | mrkiko | but I'll wait some days / months |
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| 13:17:25 | pondlife | LinusN (or anyone who'd know): My H300 shuts down with an empty battery warning at 3.65V, isn't this a bit too quick? |
| 13:17:51 | pondlife | Whilst I was getting 12 hour runs last week, it seems to only be lasting a few hours now |
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| 13:18:34 | pondlife | This seems a very fast dropoff, so I was hoping it was a Li-Ion self-calibration issue, rather than a dead battery. |
| 13:19:41 | pondlife | Any tests I should do, or procedures I could try before I buy a replacement battery? |
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| 13:37:05 | LinusN | pondlife: i had the same issue with my x5, a new battery fixed it |
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| 13:37:17 | pondlife | OK |
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| 13:49:11 | pondlife | I was surprised how quickly it died - wondering if this was actually down to a bug (CPU boost or something)... ;) |
| 13:55:38 | LinusN | same here |
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| 14:06:41 | petur | hmmm I recently noticed my battery isn't holding as long as it used to, but the battery isn't that old. I wonder if something is consuming more power :/ |
| 14:07:11 | petur | or maybe the battery wasn't that new :( |
| 14:11:28 | pondlife | I'll perform a run-time test again... maybe battery bench should measure boost (and hard disk) ratio? |
| 14:12:06 | pondlife | It reports 4.19V on a full charge too, I'd think a dying Li-ion would give a lower max voltage |
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| 14:42:59 | amiconn | pondlife: Of course it wouldn't. |
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| 14:51:04 | mcuelenaere | JdGordon: do you have a m:robe 500? if so, is the DSP patch working for you (the one from catalin)? |
| 14:51:31 | JdGordon | yes and it did before, but last time i checked it didnt |
| 14:51:50 | mcuelenaere | hmm, I'm not getting the DSP's interrupts at the ARM cpu |
| 14:52:04 | mcuelenaere | (on a ZVM) |
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| 14:54:25 | JdGordon | I dunno... you need to talk to cat about it all, I know nothing :p |
| 14:54:37 | mcuelenaere | k :) |
| 14:55:16 | JdGordon | he's not online atm though :( |
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| 14:55:28 | JdGordon | do you have his email? he is usually on gtalk |
| 14:55:55 | mcuelenaere | yes I do, but he isn't online either at gtalk |
| 14:56:32 | mcuelenaere | have you tried the latest patch I posted on flyspray about the DSP and the ZVM? |
| 14:56:34 | TheNumber | Salut !!! |
| 14:56:52 | JdGordon | I did but it didnt compile, unless there is a newer version? |
| 14:57:10 | mcuelenaere | JdGordon: I don't know, which one did you use? |
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| 14:57:24 | mcuelenaere | the one you said it didn't work? |
| 14:58:00 | mcuelenaere | JdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8853 |
| 14:58:34 | JdGordon | ah no, havnt tried the newest one.. |
| 14:58:36 | JdGordon | one min |
| 14:58:42 | mcuelenaere | ok, thanks |
| 14:58:46 | hopenglish | iPod 5.5 Gen Video 30Gig - Is it possible to completely erase the original iPod firmware once RockBox is installed? |
| 14:59:21 | hopenglish | I would like RockBox to be the only accessible OS on the device. |
| 14:59:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | No, you still need the iPod firmware for file transfers. |
| 14:59:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | Rockbox doesn't have a full USB stack yet. |
| 14:59:51 | hopenglish | Thanks. Can I cripple the iPod firmware then?:) |
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| 15:00:06 | hopenglish | Without hindering the RockBox OS... |
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| 15:02:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | Once Rockbox has a fully working USB stack available, and all the missing functionality that the iPod firmware has but we don't is in Rockbox, then you'll never have to look at the iPod firmware again. |
| 15:03:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | But until then, you still need it. |
| 15:03:33 | JdGordon | mcuelenaere: any chance you can build me a mr500 boot image built with your patch? |
| 15:03:44 | mcuelenaere | JdGordon: yes, just a sec |
| 15:03:52 | mcuelenaere | doesn't the patch apply? |
| 15:04:20 | JdGordon | it does, but i've got the old added files and not sure which have been applied twice |
| 15:04:40 | mcuelenaere | ah ok |
| 15:04:45 | JdGordon | unless there is a way to remove all non version controlled files? |
| 15:05:08 | hopenglish | Lambda: Thanks. |
| 15:05:35 | JdGordon | mcuelenaere: arg, the bootloader in that patch wont work |
| 15:05:44 | JdGordon | lemme just redownload the source... 1 min |
| 15:05:55 | mcuelenaere | JdGordon: there's a thread in the forums about that, I'll look it up.. |
| 15:06:21 | mcuelenaere | JdGordon: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14842.0 |
| 15:06:32 | mcuelenaere | JdGordon: http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk/contrib/client-side/svn-clean |
| 15:07:45 | JdGordon | ta |
| 15:08:53 | mcuelenaere | JdGordon: do I need to do "make zip" or will a rockbox.* suffice? |
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| 15:09:08 | JdGordon | just rockbox.* |
| 15:09:38 | JdGordon | its failing to compile here... |
| 15:09:43 | JdGordon | I tihnk your patch misses a file |
| 15:09:45 | mcuelenaere | what error? |
| 15:09:48 | mcuelenaere | hmm could be |
| 15:10:05 | mcuelenaere | I'll do a "svn status" after compiling |
| 15:10:15 | JdGordon | CL500 is missing math.h and stdio.h |
| 15:10:21 | JdGordon | and then the same errors in the thread |
| 15:10:41 | mcuelenaere | math.h and stdio.h are included in the TI installation |
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| 15:11:32 | mcuelenaere | JdGordon: I see I forgot to undefine LOGF |
| 15:12:06 | JdGordon | maybe thats the problem |
| 15:12:29 | JdGordon | my $PATH should be ok.. |
| 15:12:46 | mcuelenaere | and $C_DIR ? |
| 15:12:59 | mcuelenaere | JdGordon: http://www.verzend.be/v/552014/rockbox.mrobe500.html |
| 15:13:22 | JdGordon | I have no $C_DIR |
| 15:13:33 | JdGordon | the ti stuff is in the path |
| 15:14:33 | mcuelenaere | I didn't got the patch to compile completely without setting C_DIR to "/opt/TI/cg54xx |
| 15:14:38 | mcuelenaere | woops |
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| 15:14:59 | mcuelenaere | "/opt/TI/cg54x_4_1_1/include;/opt/TI/cg54x_4_1_1/lib" |
| 15:15:22 | JdGordon | PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:/usr/local/m68k-elf/bin:/usr/local/sh-elf/bin:/usr/local/ti-c54x/include:/usr/local/ti-c54x/lib:/usr/local/ti-c54x/bin: |
| 15:15:51 | JdGordon | mcuelenaere: does the main() from that build call dsp_wakeup()? |
| 15:16:05 | mcuelenaere | eh, it could be it doesn't |
| 15:16:17 | mcuelenaere | good point, will change that :) |
| 15:16:57 | JdGordon | crap, also the usb detection needs to be #if 0'ed |
| 15:17:05 | JdGordon | sorry |
| 15:17:41 | mcuelenaere | ah BTW, shouldn't it be a bootloader build? cause I compiled a "normal" one |
| 15:18:15 | JdGordon | either one should work, as long as dsp_wakeup() is called |
| 15:18:30 | JdGordon | do a bl one.. |
| 15:20:06 | mcuelenaere | It's compiling |
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| 15:21:02 | mcuelenaere | JdGordon: http://www.verzend.be/v/2448733/rockbox.mrboot.html |
| 15:22:16 | mcuelenaere | ah I didn't disable the USB stuff |
| 15:22:17 | mcuelenaere | recompile? |
| 15:22:31 | JdGordon | no, in the bootloader its ok |
| 15:23:00 | mcuelenaere | it won't work, the dsp is inited before the ATA is inited |
| 15:24:11 | JdGordon | doh, too slow |
| 15:24:14 | mcuelenaere | JdGordon: http://www.verzend.be/v/2830431/1_rockbox.mrboot.html |
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| 15:24:47 | JdGordon | i might have to wait for the battery to go flat :( |
| 15:25:06 | mcuelenaere | how come? |
| 15:25:19 | mcuelenaere | BTW, don't download my latest link, I just see I got the DSP code all messed up |
| 15:25:26 | * | LambdaCalculus37 works some more on the Gigabeat S manual |
| 15:25:30 | JdGordon | its frozen and there is no proper hardware reset |
| 15:25:57 | mcuelenaere | can't you pull the battery out? |
| 15:26:12 | JdGordon | I havnt managed to get the screws out yet so no |
| 15:26:39 | JdGordon | bugger! |
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| 15:26:53 | mcuelenaere | ah crap, I'm sorry to mess up your player :( |
| 15:27:59 | JdGordon | dont worry... its not being used atm anyway |
| 15:30:05 | hopenglish | iPod Video 5.5 Gen - Should plugging a cable into the video out force RockBox to automatically feed the video signal to the source of the cable? Or does a setting need to be configured to enable this? |
| 15:30:35 | JdGordon | rockbox doesnt have video out |
| 15:31:19 | hopenglish | Uh oh. |
| 15:31:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | We don't even use the Broadcom video chip in the iPod video. |
| 15:33:13 | hopenglish | That's no good... That's essential to what I am trying to do... |
| 15:33:33 | hopenglish | Essentially feeding the signal from an iPod to 3d glasses.. |
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| 15:38:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | Well, tell Broadcom to release their datasheets for the video chip, or help us out by figuring out how the chip works. |
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| 15:41:12 | hopenglish | Is this the BCM2722 chip? |
| 15:42:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes. |
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| 15:44:49 | JdGordon_ | n1s: hey, you pinged me last night? |
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| 15:45:56 | n1s | yeah, found a small bug in the Rockbox Info screen and I don't know how to fix it without braking the list FS #8969 |
| 15:46:17 | n1s | braking the scrolling lines in the list that is |
| 15:47:21 | petur | s/braking/breaking |
| 15:47:55 | JdGordon_ | ah yes, thats right (I rmemeber reading the log but didnt remember the ping reason :p ) |
| 15:48:05 | n1s | petur: :P |
| 15:48:05 | JdGordon_ | yeah, not really sure what to do there... |
| 15:48:25 | JdGordon_ | other than removing the seconds and forcing an update every 30s or so? |
| 15:48:34 | hopenglish | Lambda: This is new territory... Both RockBox and the development/programming thereof... What's currently keeping RockBox from integrating the video-chip technology into a build? By RockBox, I mean you all.. or us.. or whatever. |
| 15:49:10 | n1s | JdGordon_: that would at least look nicer i guess |
| 15:49:26 | petur | JdGordon, n1s: how about removing the clock completely? |
| 15:49:51 | n1s | petur: afaik it's there for the blind users who can't see the status bar |
| 15:50:08 | n1s | so as long as time is voiced i'm fine with that |
| 15:50:18 | n1s | might be a bit inconsistent though |
| 15:50:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | hopenglish: Simple... no one has really looked into it, and because of a lack of public datasheets, it's going to take some serious reverse engineering to see how the chip works. |
| 15:50:25 | JdGordon_ | no, the clock should stay |
| 15:50:40 | JdGordon_ | unless the time voicing is moved to the quickscreen (which sdoyan has a patch for |
| 15:50:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | But then again, reverse engineering is something we tend to do a lot of. :) |
| 15:50:58 | * | petur thinks a clock on an info screen is optional |
| 15:55:17 | hopenglish | Lambda: Thanks. I'll do what I can... Is Broadcom worried that the data sheets be used to develop another chip? |
| 15:55:50 | amiconn | JdGordon: The proper solution would be to extend lcd_puts_scroll() so that it allows to specify whether to reset the scroll position or not |
| 15:56:13 | amiconn | An easier solution might be to check whether the new text is equal to the old, and not reset scroll position if so |
| 15:56:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | hopenglish: It's what they call a "trade secret". |
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| 15:57:35 | JdGordon | amiconn: the 2nd should definatly be possible |
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| 16:15:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: Ping! |
| 16:19:44 | jhMikeS | LambdaCalculus37: gniP |
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| 16:21:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: For the manual... does the beast have RoLo implemented yet? And how can you clear settings on startup? |
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| 16:22:29 | jhMikeS | 1) It does have RoLo but it's dodgey 2) I never tried :) |
| 16:22:36 | hopenglish | Lambda: Ever heard of TuneView? |
| 16:22:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | hopenglish: No, never have. |
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| 16:23:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: I'll mark RoLo as not working on the beast in the manual, then. |
| 16:23:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | But I need to figure out how to clear settings on startup so I can add that to the manual if possible. |
| 16:23:59 | JdGordon | open up main.c... should be there |
| 16:24:08 | JdGordon | assuming its even setup |
| 16:24:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | JdGordon: Thanks; I'll take a quick peek. |
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| 16:24:39 | hopenglish | Lambda: Sorry... Collecting my thoughts... |
| 16:25:06 | JdGordon | LambdaCalculus37: looks like A |
| 16:25:25 | JdGordon | unless (CONFIG_KEYPAD == GIGABEAT_PAD) is false |
| 16:25:43 | JdGordon | ptherwise its BUTTON_REC or none |
| 16:26:04 | jhMikeS | there's no button A on the S |
| 16:26:08 | n1s | I don't think it's enabled for the beast |
| 16:26:23 | jhMikeS | what should it be? |
| 16:27:09 | JdGordon | does it have a record button? |
| 16:27:12 | jhMikeS | nope |
| 16:27:22 | JdGordon | any odd buttons? |
| 16:27:32 | n1s | windows button ;) |
| 16:27:37 | JdGordon | thattll do |
| 16:27:50 | * | jhMikeS was gonna say but then the back button sort of implies "back" |
| 16:27:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | That would be the Menu button then. |
| 16:28:04 | * | LambdaCalculus37 makes a note of that |
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| 16:28:43 | n1s | can't we just use the hold switch like the ipods? |
| 16:28:56 | JdGordon | please dont |
| 16:29:05 | jhMikeS | then it conflicts with dual boot |
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| 16:30:00 | n1s | jhMikeS: but that is checked before the bootloader so it would be really difficult to do it by accident... |
| 16:30:23 | n1s | but maybe it's not such a good idea when we have plenty of buttons |
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| 16:30:34 | jhMikeS | then you have to worry about when you do it then |
| 16:31:28 | * | n1s thinks the SETTINGS_RESET define should go into the keymaps for clarity |
| 16:31:29 | * | jhMikeS votes for MENU, BACK would coflict with UI too much |
| 16:31:48 | n1s | jhMikeS: that's fine with me |
| 16:32:39 | linuxstb | n1s: The ipods are special cases because (as far as I could tell), buttons pressed before the button driver was initialised weren't being registered. Hence the only choice was the hold switch. |
| 16:32:58 | n1s | linuxstb: aha |
| 16:33:51 | linuxstb | But that was in the early days of the port, maybe it's worth testing/investigating again on ipods. |
| 16:34:54 | * | petur votes for moving it to the hold switch on all targets |
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| 16:36:07 | linuxstb | petur: The hold switch just makes it too easy to reset the setting accidentally... |
| 16:36:25 | petur | really? |
| 16:36:55 | petur | the switch must be off to power on, and then switched on before RB loads |
| 16:37:13 | linuxstb | That depends on the bootloader, not all do that I think. |
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| 16:37:27 | linuxstb | Although maybe that's just another ipod quirk... |
| 16:37:59 | linuxstb | Also, what happens on the various targets if hold is on, but you have also attached usb or the charger? |
| 16:38:11 | petur | no player should boot with the switch on, else what's the use of it? |
| 16:38:25 | petur | ah, that's a valid point |
| 16:38:36 | * | linuxstb knew he would find one eventually |
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| 16:39:10 | * | petur gives up and goes mind his payed work |
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| 16:43:14 | amiconn | linuxstb: This ipod button problem only applies to those which use the opto controller. |
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| 16:45:04 | linuxstb | amiconn: Good point, although maybe it would be confusing to just "fix" it on those targets... |
| 16:45:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: When I can get a quick chance to (outside of paid work), I'll pastebin some of the work I've done so far on the manual. |
| 16:45:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | Mind you, it's still rough around the edges; I've been basically basing some of the work on the Gigabeat F manual. |
| 16:46:50 | * | LambdaCalculus37 wonders if he just spoke in a redundancy right now... "basically basing"? :P |
| 16:47:57 | jhMikeS | LambdaCalculus37: ok. (and no, basically basing converyed more or less to be based-upon :)) |
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| 16:52:30 | kost- | hello |
| 16:54:08 | advcomp2019 | hello kost- |
| 16:55:53 | kost- | advcomp2019, I am having a problem with iPodwizard. I am installing rockbox in the meantime but I might need help with both of them. In short I get te -1 error on ipw.. Sry for asking here but I am more like desperate. |
| 16:56:11 | Llorean | kost-: iPodWizard isn't provided or created by Rockbox. |
| 16:56:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | kost-: We don't support iPodwizard. |
| 16:56:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | You have to ask whoever works on it for help. |
| 16:56:47 | advcomp2019 | kost-, i do not have an ipod myself plus like they say |
| 16:56:59 | kost- | Oh T_T |
| 16:59:06 | kost- | Ok then I would like some help for rockbox installing |
| 16:59:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | What device? |
| 16:59:37 | kost- | Why when I run the ipodpatcher.exe it says that it can't recognize my iPod? |
| 16:59:44 | kost- | iPod 80GB 5.5Gen |
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| 17:00:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | Metal front or glossy plastic front? |
| 17:00:31 | kost- | metal |
| 17:00:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | That's an iPod Classic. Rockbox doesn't work on them. |
| 17:01:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | And it's a 6th generation iPod, not a 5.5 gen. |
| 17:01:31 | kost- | Oh really? |
| 17:02:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes, really. Look at this page from Apple: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353 |
| 17:03:40 | kost- | So 6th gen are NOT hackable/ |
| 17:04:21 | n1s | at least they have not been hacked |
| 17:06:31 | thegeek_ | everything is hackable |
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| 17:07:19 | kost- | Lol, because I cant even install hacked firmware to use downloaded games. I guess that 6th is NOT hackable ^^ |
| 17:07:49 | kost- | LambdaCalculus37, the page you send it says that I have an iPod Classic. Nothing about 6th generation. |
| 17:07:51 | GodEater | no, that means it's not been hacked. Not that it's not hackable. |
| 17:09:09 | kost- | So I guess it might be hacked in the future right? |
| 17:09:16 | thegeek_ | correct |
| 17:09:21 | GodEater | if someone does the work yes |
| 17:09:25 | thegeek_ | if someone invests the time/effort |
| 17:09:50 | Llorean | kost-: The "iPod Classic" is the 6th generatino. |
| 17:09:53 | Llorean | generation |
| 17:10:00 | kost- | kk guys |
| 17:10:17 | GodEater | although I would guess that's merely our name for it, I don't believe apple have ever referred to it as such. |
| 17:10:32 | kost- | really thanks for helping me out. I have been spending time on this one for ~2 days without a solution so thanks.. |
| 17:10:45 | thegeek_ | ;) |
| 17:11:04 | Llorean | GodEater: Well, us and almost everyone else who's not Apple. |
| 17:11:35 | GodEater | true - but if we're going to refer people to an apple support page to show what model they have, it's not really surprising if they come back confused. |
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| 17:12:27 | Llorean | Well the front page of the site does explicitly say "Not the[...] Classic" |
| 17:12:59 | Llorean | But yeah. |
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| 17:13:20 | * | GodEater blames apple entirely |
| 17:17:01 | * | GodEater notes that indicated apple page only identifies ONE ipod as a "generation" (only including 'true' ipod and not nano / shuffles) |
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| 17:23:11 | amiconn | We could (should?) reduce the plugin buffer on swcodec btw. The only plugin needing more than 256KB is doom, and since doom has to stop playback anyway, it could use the overlay technique |
| 17:24:00 | PortableDude | is there a way not tostop playback when u start doom? |
| 17:24:12 | Llorean | PortableDude: No. |
| 17:24:19 | PortableDude | awwww....... |
| 17:24:50 | Llorean | amiconn: There's a problem with reducing it for Rockboy. |
| 17:25:12 | Llorean | amiconn: On certain targets (Gigabeat, maybe others?) depending on ROM size, audio can be left on in place of the ROM's sound. |
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| 17:25:23 | Llorean | The larger you reserved buffer, the larger sized ROM you can use with this. |
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| 17:42:00 | hopenglish | test |
| 17:42:15 | hopenglish | LambdaCalculus37 Hey |
| 17:42:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | hopenglish: Received. |
| 17:45:06 | hopenglish | LambdaCalculus37: I'm still working on finding information on the Broadcom chip that does not require information directly from the company. |
| 17:45:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | hopenglish: Good luck. :) |
| 17:46:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | If you do find some good information, can you post it to the wiki? |
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| 17:46:57 | hopenglish | I will... With my lack of knowledge of what information is needed to harness the chip, I'm unsure of what's important. |
| 17:47:11 | hopenglish | For example, TuneView which I mentioned before has a device that allows for video-out through one of its' docks. |
| 17:47:33 | hopenglish | This requires an authenticated co-processor of some kind. |
| 17:47:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | That would fall under this category: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories |
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| 17:49:45 | hopenglish | But those all have to do with audio-out... I believe the difference is that TuneView supports video-out function as well. |
| 17:50:11 | scorche|sh | does that manke it not an accessory? ;) |
| 17:50:17 | scorche|sh | s/manke/make |
| 17:51:50 | hopenglish | Hehe. No, it doesn't... But the point I'm trying to make is that whatever allows the TuneView to support the video-out function could benefit someone who is attempting to use the same function through RockBox. |
| 17:53:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | hopenglish: The TuneView uses the iPod dock connector, and we don't make use of it yet. |
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| 17:56:18 | scorche|sh | well, we make use of the "dock connector"...he means the AAP (apple accessory protocol) ;) |
| 17:57:13 | hopenglish | At first, I thought TuneView managed to do it with out the AAP, but now as I read more, Big Apple was definitely involved. |
| 17:57:38 | scorche|sh | i am not familiar with the TuneView, but there is a video out on the headphone port as well |
| 17:57:54 | hopenglish | So where do I get me one of these AAP authentication coprocessors?... |
| 17:58:15 | scorche|sh | i have no idea what you are asking... |
| 17:58:41 | hopenglish | lol. "When Apple(R) released its current generation of iPods - including the iPod nano, iPod classic, and iPod touch - only docks and peripherals with an Apple authentication coprocessor were able to support video out functions in these new iPods. Keyspan's TuneView dock is one of the few "Made for iPod" licensed docks that contains the necessary authentication coprocessor." |
| 17:59:08 | hopenglish | Local dollar store? |
| 17:59:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | Where did you get that info from? |
| 17:59:31 | hopenglish | http://prmac.com/release-id-1336.htm |
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| 18:00:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | Forget all that. |
| 18:00:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | Concentrate on the iPod itself. That's what your target is. |
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| 18:02:06 | hopenglish | All right. |
| 18:03:56 | hopenglish | Lambda: The Product Brief from the Broadcom website is NOT helpful, correct? There seems to be a lot of information in that .pdf ... |
| 18:04:02 | hopenglish | http://www.broadcom.com/products/Mobile-Multimedia/Mobile-Multimedia-Processors/BCM2722 |
| 18:04:10 | * | Hillshum can't read the links @ rockbox.org with firefox |
| 18:05:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: Some initial Gigabeat S manual work: http://pastebin.com/m77090d08 |
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| 18:05:56 | hopenglish | Google: Broadcom BCM2722 |
| 18:06:11 | hopenglish | First site is link I provided. |
| 18:07:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: I still have to fix a lot on that page. |
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| 18:37:05 | amiconn | hopenglish: The product brief doesn't tell anything useful |
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| 18:41:19 | hopenglish | amiconn: This is new to me so I'm trying to understand what WOULD be useful. |
| 18:42:02 | amiconn | A real manual would be needed. That won't be just a few pages pdf, more like a few hundred pages |
| 18:44:53 | hopenglish | I understand the spec sheet is under an NDA, by-request basis from Broadcom. Some Rockbox devs did attempt to request the specs but if they got it they would not be able to use the information to implement GPL'ed code. |
| 18:45:00 | hopenglish | I'm sorry.. |
| 18:45:16 | hopenglish | That last message was a quote from an e-mail I received from an Ubuntu admin. |
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| 18:59:24 | n1s | I wonder if we should use the ram in the pmic as nvram on the beast... does it save anything else than resume point? |
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| 19:00:00 | n1s | I think it will be cleared if the battery switch is off for a longer time. |
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| 19:11:11 | * | n1s facepalms |
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| 19:33:07 | webguest89 | im a rock box newbe is there a plug in or games archive for rockbox (i didn't found one) UND IST HIER JEMAND DER DEUTSCH SPRICHT?? wäre sehr hilfreich |
| 19:33:33 | Hillshum | english is fine |
| 19:33:44 | Hillshum | archive? |
| 19:33:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | All Rockbox plugins are included with the builds. |
| 19:33:50 | webguest89 | yes but im a german people |
| 19:34:08 | * | Hillshum isn't german |
| 19:34:09 | webguest89 | there are no additional plugins?? |
| 19:34:13 | Hillshum | nope |
| 19:34:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | Unless you write your own. |
| 19:34:33 | webguest89 | why that that would by really cool |
| 19:34:56 | linuxstb | amiconn: Isn't a large plugin buffer also useful for the jpeg viewer? |
| 19:34:59 | Hillshum | use C |
| 19:35:27 | Hillshum | to webguest89 |
| 19:35:42 | webguest89 | what is C |
| 19:35:45 | hopenglish | Webguest, I can speak german... How is your understanding of english though? |
| 19:36:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | webguest89: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_%28programming_language%29 |
| 19:36:18 | webguest89 | yes i can speak a bit english |
| 19:36:32 | Hillshum | C is used by Rockbox |
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| 19:37:50 | Llorean | linuxstb: In the very same way as for Rockboy, I think. |
| 19:38:44 | Llorean | webguest89: Plugins have to be made for specific players, and have to match the version of Rockbox on the player. We try to include additional plugins once they work well, so most people work on getting their plugins included rather than posting them on sites where they have to constantly re-make them. |
| 19:38:55 | webguest89 | i love all the rockbox plugins but i have a problem with the jpg viewer all time it shows me just a cut out of my picture wich i can turn around with my scrollwhell but i want to see the whol picture at once just like on the original sansa e250 firmware |
| 19:39:32 | hopenglish | Your English is fine, webguest. Definitely better than my german. |
| 19:40:08 | hopenglish | If you have any questions understanding something or communicating something, let me know... I can probably be of help then. |
| 19:40:17 | webguest89 | cool and this that im just in 8th grade gymnasium( i hope you know what a gymnasium is) |
| 19:40:29 | Neovanglist | (high school) |
| 19:40:38 | webguest89 | yes something like that |
| 19:41:13 | webguest89 | and whats about my jpeg question bevor |
| 19:41:33 | Llorean | webguest89: The sansa media program converts the images before copying over. You can do that too. |
| 19:41:56 | hopenglish | Well, I do know Germany does a better job of teaching English to its' students than we teach German to ours... |
| 19:42:32 | Llorean | hopenglish: And that has nothing to do with Rockbox. Please, follow the channel guidelines. |
| 19:42:36 | domonoky | webguest89: the jpeg viewer has a zoom function, but it can only zoom some steps like 2x 4x 8x .. if your jpeg file has another aspect ratio then your players display, it will be cutoff.. :-) |
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| 19:42:48 | Neovanglist | in germany most young people, especially geeks, have some capacity for functional english |
| 19:42:51 | Neovanglist | many have quite good english |
| 19:43:02 | webguest89 | yes but then they are just bitmaps then and then they are so difficult to open (with rockpaint) |
| 19:43:05 | Neovanglist | but I find that older folks, especially ones that do not use it during their jobs, tend to not have decent english |
| 19:43:06 | Neovanglist | or none |
| 19:43:18 | Llorean | Neovanglist: Please, keep topic of discussion to Rockbox. |
| 19:43:32 | Llorean | webguest89: You can convert them to different size .jpg files |
| 19:43:38 | Neovanglist | wow, topic enforcement on irc, okay :) |
| 19:43:52 | webguest89 | @neovanglist im a nerd but not a geek |
| 19:44:05 | Llorean | Neovanglist: this channel is logged, people read through the logs to catch up and we don't want them cluttered. |
| 19:44:10 | Llorean | webguest89: I'm serious about staying on topic. |
| 19:44:11 | Hillshum | Neovanglist: go to #rockbox-communtity |
| 19:44:15 | domonoky | Neovanglist: this is a logged support and dev channel, we like the logs clean.. :-) |
| 19:44:55 | webguest89 | ok then thanks for help i downloaded a converter yet now i must go bye |
| 19:45:00 | Neovanglist | fair enough :) |
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| 19:49:52 | amiconn | linuxstb: The jpeg viewer can load jpegs into the plugin buffer if there's enough room, leaving the music playing. I don't think it's essential though |
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| 19:50:50 | linuxstb | I don't use the jpeg viewer, so don't have a view.... |
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| 19:51:13 | amiconn | It all depends on what is deemed better memory usage: (1) permanently setting aside a larger amount of ram for the benefit of *eventually* not needing to stop playback for a plugin in a few cases |
| 19:51:30 | amiconn | (jpeg viewer with small images, or rockboy with small roms) |
| 19:52:01 | Llorean | amiconn: Right now it's most ROMs except very large ones, but it's tight. Even a small shrink would probably break this. |
| 19:52:04 | mark_ii | im a linux newb, can anyone help me using arm-elf-gcc? Please PM me |
| 19:52:12 | amiconn | (2) having a larger main buffer, at the cost of having to stop playback in a few more cases |
| 19:52:33 | BigBambi | mark_ii: If you have a rockbox related question just ask it |
| 19:52:44 | amiconn | Llorean: There is a vast range of gameboy rom sizes. I've seen every power of 2 from 16KB to 4MB |
| 19:53:23 | amiconn | If you ask me, I'd rather go for (2) than for (1). Rockbox is for music, so the main buffer should have priority |
| 19:53:33 | n1s | It would be great if we could resize the plugin buffer on the fly :) or even without restarting playback |
| 19:53:44 | n1s | s/playback/rockbox |
| 19:54:22 | mark_ii | its about the e200tool... |
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| 19:55:15 | mark_ii | i want to use it on a sansa view but it is designed for arm7 while view uses arm922 |
| 19:55:47 | mark_ii | can i generate a new e200_code.c so i can use it on a view? |
| 19:56:30 | Llorean | amiconn: It's not a question of which has priority. It's pretty obvious which does. It's a question of "how much priority" |
| 19:56:39 | n1s | mark_ii: I don't think anyone has tried it but the view uses a different SoC... |
| 19:57:01 | linuxstb | mark_ii: e200tool communicates with an e200 in recovery mode - it's very specific to the v1 e200s (and c200s). |
| 19:57:13 | linuxstb | Is the View using the standard "v2" AMS chip? |
| 19:57:30 | n1s | linuxstb: i think it uses the pp/nvidia chip |
| 19:57:43 | n1s | pp6xxx |
| 19:57:52 | linuxstb | Ah yes, I remember the discussion now... |
| 19:58:47 | linuxstb | mark_ii: The first thing you will need to find out is whether the view has a similar manufacturing mode to the e200s. In this mode, the LCD of the e200 doesn't turn on, but it appears connected to the computer via USB, with different USB IDs to normal. |
| 19:59:38 | shotofadds | Ok, I'll bite. I never understood why the size of the audio buffer is so critical. What tangible benefit is there? I'm thinking high-memory targets here (>16Mb) |
| 19:59:41 | mark_ii | the id is the same as e200... 0781:0720 |
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| 20:00:30 | Bagder | mark_ii: e200tool doesn't make anything arm7 specific |
| 20:00:43 | Bagder | it works for just about any arm version |
| 20:00:51 | Bagder | but you may need view-specific stuff |
| 20:00:55 | domonoky | shotofadds: the more audio buffer you have, the more battery life you get.. especially on harddisk based players |
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| 20:01:31 | MauS | I've put a RockBox on my Cowon iAudio M3. I already love it, but i can't find a manual for the M3 version of RockBox. :( http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 20:01:31 | Llorean | shotofadds: The disk spinup is costly, so the less often you actually need to spin it up, the better battery life you're expected to get. |
| 20:03:09 | Bagder | MauS: there's still some details left to get that to build, afaiu |
| 20:03:23 | Bagder | MauS: the m5 version should be pretty close |
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| 20:03:33 | shotofadds | sure, but how much of a benefit? has anyone done any tests? |
| 20:03:39 | MauS | Bagder, i've installed it via the Tool. But i dunno how to use it. |
| 20:03:54 | Llorean | shotofadds: Are you asking "how much per megabyte" or what? |
| 20:04:08 | BigBambi | Yes, the M3 manual doesn't build |
| 20:04:15 | MauS | It seems that my M3 is the only player model that runs RockBox and has no display on the unit (only small lcd on the remote) |
| 20:04:20 | BigBambi | MauS: By it, do you mean rockbox itself? |
| 20:04:36 | BigBambi | MauS: Yes, but rockbox treats the remote as the main displey |
| 20:04:38 | BigBambi | *display |
| 20:04:58 | MauS | BigBambi, i've installed both loader and the main stuff. |
| 20:05:05 | BigBambi | good :) |
| 20:05:17 | BigBambi | MauS: Rockbox, bar hardware differences, is the same across platforms |
| 20:05:19 | MauS | The first impression: menu navigation is reverse! |
| 20:05:45 | BigBambi | So given you have managed to install it for most things you can (until the M3 manual is finished) use another manual |
| 20:05:51 | shotofadds | Llorean: not specifically, no. Is the difference in battery life really that significant? (where significant has some value over about 5%) |
| 20:06:06 | BigBambi | MauS: Such as for the m5, as Bagder said |
| 20:06:20 | MauS | Okay, i'm already browsing it. |
| 20:07:29 | MauS | I'm so happy i've got a RockBox on my M3 ^_^ I've been visiting the RockBox site once about half a year for some time, but the phrase 'nobody has started an M3 branch' finally got me down and i dumped it. |
| 20:07:46 | Llorean | shotofadds: It depends entirely on how much smaller you're talking. |
| 20:07:54 | MauS | I dunno why i visited it now, but after i did, i've got RockBox running in 15 minutes :D |
| 20:08:37 | MauS | I hope RockBox has a 'play this file next' feature, 'cause this is what i was lacking most on the original fw |
| 20:08:48 | Llorean | shotofadds: For example, 1MB out of a 16MB buffer makes a much larger difference than out of a 64MB buffer. The Archoses show a marked battery life improvement by running Rockbox from ROM freeing up more RAM for audio buffer, but they have a very small amount of RAM. |
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| 20:09:22 | Llorean | shotofadds: Meanwhile, 256 KB out of the standard 16 and 32 MB we see in modern targets won't matter as much, but it will still make a difference, especially considering the constant increases in size the main binary goes through. |
| 20:10:06 | shotofadds | Of course. I understand the logic, but wanted to quantify it in my head somehow (hence asking if any tests had been done). I appreciate it's not an easy question to answer :) |
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| 20:11:10 | Llorean | shotofadds: Even a tiny amount more power can mean 30 minutes of extra playtime. |
| 20:11:23 | Llorean | Because the spinup is the hard part, once you've got the disk spun up, odds are good there's enough power to fill the buffer. |
| 20:11:33 | Llorean | And a full buffer of 128kbps MP3 is ~30 minutes. |
| 20:11:38 | amiconn | MauS: It does. Rockbox is playlist based, and you have several ways to create and manipulate playlists. |
| 20:11:39 | Llorean | Well, depending on target, I suppose |
| 20:11:58 | MauS | amiconn, so happy to hear that. ^_^ |
| 20:12:04 | BigBambi | MauS: check out the playlist section of the manual |
| 20:12:17 | BigBambi | specifically insert next and/or queue next |
| 20:12:37 | amiconn | Llorean, shotofadds: There were measurements done on archos, albeit testing with a more significant different: comparing a stock archos (2MB RAM) with an 8MB modded one |
| 20:12:48 | amiconn | s/different/difference/ |
| 20:14:27 | MauS | Can i change the direction of + and - keys when navigating through menus? I guess + - keys are programmed like in M5, but in M3 they are located like -+ (minus is left) and in original firmware - goes back (up), + goes forward (down). But RockBox behaves like in M5: + goes up, - goes down. :( |
| 20:14:42 | amiconn | The 8MB mod increased runtime by 22% |
| 20:15:03 | amiconn | See firmware/powermgmt.c line 589 |
| 20:16:04 | Llorean | amiconn: What's the buffer size on Archoses? |
| 20:16:08 | Llorean | Er, plugin buffer |
| 20:16:13 | amiconn | 32KB |
| 20:16:16 | * | n1s thinks the forward==down thing is weird |
| 20:16:19 | shotofadds | Quite a significant gain, then. Presumably that gain is fairly linear with buffer size? |
| 20:16:36 | domonoky | MauS: you can change the keymap, but only by changing the code, and recompiling it.. :-) |
| 20:16:53 | shotofadds | Whereas a high-memory flash target has much less advantage in a large audio buffer? |
| 20:16:58 | Llorean | amiconn: In that case, assuming an average RAM size of 32MB, aren't we using the exact same percentage on swcodec? |
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| 20:17:06 | MauS | I guess it should be changed by default. From my point of view, it's a bug. |
| 20:17:07 | n1s | shotofadds: it most likely is not linear |
| 20:17:20 | amiconn | Llorean: Yes and no. We also have 16MB targets |
| 20:17:36 | Llorean | amiconn: I said "assuming an average RAM size". We also have two 64MB targets now too |
| 20:17:46 | Llorean | shotofadds: On flash targets it is almost irrelevant. |
| 20:17:49 | BigBambi | MauS: It isn't a bug in the slightest, as it is intended. Whether it is the right decision is another question |
| 20:18:04 | Llorean | shotofadds: As I mentioned, one of the significant factors is disk spinups, something flash targets don't do. |
| 20:18:19 | amiconn | Yes, but the 16MB targets are suffering more from a larger plugin buffer (and hence smaller audio buffer) than targets with more memory |
| 20:18:52 | amiconn | There are other advantages of a large audio buffer though, which are related to plugins and apply to all targets |
| 20:18:55 | n1s | amiconn: could we go with different plugin buffer sizes for different targets? |
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| 20:19:05 | Llorean | amiconn: What is the other advantage, then? |
| 20:19:41 | amiconn | Plugins using the audio buffer can buffer more data if it's larger |
| 20:19:58 | amiconn | That is, if they need a contiguous buffer |
| 20:20:08 | n1s | like mpegplayer |
| 20:20:13 | amiconn | If they can split the data somehow, it's irrelevant |
| 20:20:53 | amiconn | Or like the jpeg viewer. Afaik it can't combine both buffers (not sure though) |
| 20:21:26 | amiconn | mpegplayer profits from a larger audio buffer the same way as audio playback does (as it is in fact yet another playback engine) |
| 20:22:15 | amiconn | But the jpeg viewer profits in a different way: it can load larger files (or show high-res files in higher zoom levels) if the buffer is larger |
| 20:22:40 | MauS | OMG, RockBox won't show cyrillic (russian) characters! :(( |
| 20:22:46 | MauS | Is there a way to fix this? |
| 20:22:59 | Llorean | MauS: Pick a font that has the characterset. |
| 20:23:00 | BigBambi | MauS: yes it will |
| 20:23:01 | amiconn | MauS: It does. Just select an appropriate font |
| 20:23:07 | MauS | Thx |
| 20:23:11 | BigBambi | MauS: You need to use a font with the characters you want |
| 20:23:16 | * | BigBambi is far too slow |
| 20:23:26 | MauS | :) |
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| 20:23:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | MauS: Did you get the font pack already? |
| 20:23:50 | Llorean | amiconn: Would it conceivably be possible for plugins to "buffer" some of their data on the playback buffer? I seem to recall that some audio formats would need data that wouldn't be removed normally anyway (like midi) |
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| 20:24:08 | amiconn | The jpeg viewer needs several buffer chunks: (1) the greylib buffer (on greyscale targets only). (2) The file (loaded into memory as-is) (3) Up to 4 buffers for the decoded image (1/8, 1/4, 1/2 and full zoom) |
| 20:24:21 | MauS | I did, but the Tool failed to install it automatically, so i manually installed only the main stuff. |
| 20:24:42 | Ebert | so im just not controlling it right when it doesn't go to next jpeg |
| 20:24:50 | BigBambi | MauS: You can get the fonts from the extras page |
| 20:24:58 | amiconn | The buffers for (3) can flush each other, i.e. if full zoom fits but then there's not enough room for the lower zoom levels, those lower levels will be flushed |
| 20:25:03 | MauS | I know, i've downloaded it already |
| 20:25:07 | BigBambi | cool |
| 20:25:08 | amiconn | (and need to be re-decoded when zooming out) |
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| 20:25:50 | Ebert | anyone notice the jpeg viewer wont switch to next pic if it can't size to the player's window? |
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| 20:26:55 | amiconn | Llorean: There is no easy way to steal a part of the audio buffer when playback is running. It would need rather complex code to add this |
| 20:28:06 | amiconn | (which would involve moving around buffered data in memory, making sure playback won't touch parts currently moved etc |
| 20:28:37 | n1s | amiconn: would it be very complex if we could stop playback, and steal part of it and restart playback without a reboot? |
| 20:28:39 | amiconn | Given the current state of playback, I think we're far away from adding this, if we don't want it crashing more often than working |
| 20:28:51 | MauS | Omg, is it a bug or an animation? There are waves on the now playing screen |
| 20:29:12 | n1s | MauS: please use full English words |
| 20:29:24 | MauS | Oh, and the screen goes blank :( |
| 20:29:41 | BigBambi | MauS: you need to describe EXACTLY what you are doing and EXACTLY what happens |
| 20:29:48 | BigBambi | We can't see your screen |
| 20:30:57 | amiconn | MauS: There is currently a bug (which has to do with LCD update speed) which I can't fix easily because my M3 and X5 don't show it with either remote |
| 20:31:24 | amiconn | I need to prepare a set of test builds, which will take some time |
| 20:31:30 | MauS | Okay. I set it playing a song. Just select a song with -+ and press >> for it to start playing. The screen changes to Now Playing. The screen ripples and might go blank. |
| 20:31:48 | MauS | amiconn, can i be helpful? |
| 20:32:17 | BigBambi | MauS: Sounds like the bug amiconn described |
| 20:32:45 | gevaerts | The rippling seems to me to support the speed hypothesis |
| 20:32:53 | * | amiconn only ever got the ripple, never the complete blanking, even with the driver being significantly faster than what's in SVN |
| 20:33:03 | MauS | Is it possible to kill my player with an unlucky flashing attempt? |
| 20:33:32 | amiconn | The iaudios are practically unbrickable |
| 20:33:44 | MauS | Great ^_^ |
| 20:34:09 | MauS | amiconn, seems that i'm unable to use my player with RockBox because of the blank screen bug. :( |
| 20:34:09 | amiconn | (the SVN driver achieves 169fps when boosted, and my test driver (where I got the ripple) achieved >190fps) |
| 20:34:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | MauS: The only way to kill any DAP is with a hammer and lots of vigor. :) |
| 20:34:42 | MauS | What is a ripple itself? |
| 20:34:51 | MauS | Lack of screen refresh speed? |
| 20:35:09 | amiconn | The lcd controller misses a few bits so the following bits are shifted |
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| 20:36:12 | amiconn | You could watch flyspray task 8840. I'll comment there when I have the test builds ready |
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| 20:36:30 | MauS | It doesn't ripple while not playing. |
| 20:37:50 | MauS | The screen goes blank in several seconds after it starts playing. :( |
| 20:37:55 | amiconn | Yes, because then the CPU is running slower (in order to save battery power) |
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| 20:38:06 | amiconn | This also makes the lcd driver run slower |
| 20:38:47 | amiconn | Great to hear that someone else actually uses the M3 rockbox port... I'll see what I can do regarding those tests |
| 20:38:48 | MauS | So the problem is not lack of speed but too much speed? O_o |
| 20:39:06 | MauS | amiconn, can i help you test or anything? |
| 20:39:46 | mama1 | does anyone here have a toolchain for the sansa view? |
| 20:40:10 | amiconn | Yes, as soon as I have prepared those test builds |
| 20:40:36 | amiconn | There will be several; install one at a time, test playback, and report which of the builds work for you |
| 20:40:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | mama1: arm-elf-gcc will be used, as the View's SoC is ARM-based. |
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| 20:41:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | But Rockbox doesn't work on the View. |
| 20:41:17 | MauS | amiconn, i've got a problem with my M3. :( The connector of my remote loses contact when stirred while i carry it in a pocket. When it does, the music starts lacking some frequency range (the vocals or some instruments dissappear or become very quiet). |
| 20:41:46 | MauS | How can this be? |
| 20:42:00 | BigBambi | Sounds like a hardware problem |
| 20:42:06 | MauS | It is |
| 20:42:15 | BigBambi | Well.... |
| 20:42:31 | BigBambi | A loose connection? |
| 20:42:35 | amiconn | It's most probably a grounding problem |
| 20:42:35 | MauS | I thought the sound is transferred via 3.5 mm Jack and i can't imagine how can bad contact cut some frequency range from music. |
| 20:42:45 | MauS | amiconn, huh? |
| 20:43:14 | amiconn | My M3 remote also had that. The ground wire in the remote is soldered badly |
| 20:43:32 | BigBambi | MauS: So the headphones and remote plug into separate plugs on the main unit? |
| 20:43:48 | amiconn | If the headphone "looses" ground, you will only hear the difference signal between both channels |
| 20:44:19 | MauS | BigBambi http://www.jetmall.net/ProductImages/pic_m3_acc_remote_brown.jpg |
| 20:44:19 | amiconn | BigBambi: No, the headphone plugs into the remote |
| 20:44:32 | BigBambi | amiconn: I thought so |
| 20:45:07 | BigBambi | MauS: So in that case I don't understand the issue - there is a bad connection between the remote and the unit (which also carries audio), hence losing audio |
| 20:45:11 | BigBambi | as amiconn said |
| 20:45:24 | MauS | amiconn, i thought that it is a problem of the socket, not the plug. |
| 20:45:25 | amiconn | This difference signal will sound "hollow", and some frequencies will be missing. I depends on the music; if you're e.g. listening to a plain mono recording, you won't hear anything |
| 20:45:47 | amiconn | MauS: Neither. It's a problem of the soldered connection inside the remote |
| 20:45:48 | BigBambi | MauS: could be either |
| 20:45:54 | BigBambi | or that |
| 20:46:21 | amiconn | I repaired mine. It's quite easy to open, but you need soldering skills |
| 20:46:21 | BigBambi | but theoretically, a bad connection at any point, be it in the socket on the unit, the wire, inside the remote etc. could cause it |
| 20:46:24 | MauS | amiconn, stirring the connector 100% solves the problem for a while. |
| 20:46:43 | BigBambi | stirring? |
| 20:46:47 | BigBambi | moving? |
| 20:46:50 | BigBambi | or something else? |
| 20:46:52 | MauS | Well.. pushing it |
| 20:46:55 | BigBambi | OK |
| 20:47:00 | BigBambi | I just wanted to be clear :) |
| 20:48:57 | amiconn | It's the connector where the remote cable is soldered to the remote pcb. Carefully resoldering all the pins (13 iirc) did the trick for me |
| 20:49:17 | MauS | I was pushing it deeper to solve the problem, even used a rubber ring for a more solid insertion. But it stopped helping. I found out that instead i should push it sideways. |
| 20:49:45 | MauS | amiconn, you mean opening the connector somehow? |
| 20:50:03 | amiconn | Opening the remote.... |
| 20:50:11 | MauS | Not the plug? |
| 20:50:28 | amiconn | By all your pushing and dragging you're flexing the pcb a bit, eventually making it work again |
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| 20:50:52 | gevaerts | Couldn't the entire remote blanking problem be caused/triggered/made worse by these bad contact issues ? |
| 20:50:55 | amiconn | EH, maybe I'm misunderstanding all the time? |
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| 20:51:29 | amiconn | Do you mean the connector (which plugs into the main unit), or the headphone plug (which plugs into the remote)? |
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| 20:52:47 | MauS | amiconn, the remote's plug that goes inth the main unit. |
| 20:52:52 | amiconn | oh |
| 20:53:13 | amiconn | I'm not sure then, but it could be a similar problem |
| 20:53:19 | amiconn | (in the main unit) |
| 20:53:45 | MauS | amiconn, is it safe to open the main unit? |
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| 20:54:08 | MauS | gevaerts, nope, i've never had a blanking/rippling problem on the original fw |
| 20:54:13 | amiconn | gevaerts: For sure. But as it works when not boosted, lowering the transfer speed seems to be necessary |
| 20:55:10 | gevaerts | MauS: I'm nearly certain that the OF wasn't written by amiconn, so it't probably much less demanding of the hardware :) |
| 20:56:10 | amiconn | gevaerts: In case you're wondering: the iaudio remote connector is similar to the iriver remote connector: a 3.5mm stereo jack, with a blade-like connector beside it (10 pins) |
| 20:56:10 | MauS | How are the bad contact issue and the high hw reqs issue connected? |
| 20:56:39 | amiconn | High frequency signals don't like bad contacts |
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| 20:58:24 | MauS | Oh my, i've opened the M3 O_O |
| 20:59:32 | preglow | amiconn: didn't you find an overview of instruction timings for arm9? |
| 20:59:53 | * | amiconn wonders whether preglow is checking answers :/ |
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| 21:00:07 | preglow | amiconn: didn't see any highlights |
| 21:00:26 | bertrik | gevaerts: I think I have constructed a descriptor now that allows both USB serial and mass storage on windows |
| 21:00:26 | amiconn | [00:31:55] <amiconn> preglow: I have no idea about the arm pipeline. If you're looking for the instruction cycle counts, infocenter.arm.com has them |
| 21:00:28 | preglow | amiconn: anyway, you have a tendency not to answer me, so i just went and drew a hasty conclusion :) |
| 21:00:54 | amiconn | Almost 21 hours ago, a just 16 minutes after your question :) |
| 21:01:01 | bertrik | however the serial port interface descriptor has to come first, also haven't tried it on linux yet |
| 21:01:09 | preglow | hrmph, i can't find any information detailed enough there |
| 21:01:10 | gevaerts | bertrik: great :) |
| 21:01:11 | * | preglow goes looking again |
| 21:01:49 | * | n1s wonders what preglow is up to |
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| 21:02:19 | MauS | amiconn, the bad contact problem takes place in the 3.5 mm jack? Or in the 10-contact blade? |
| 21:02:23 | preglow | n1s: just reading up, the sooner i find out how it works, the better |
| 21:02:29 | preglow | i'm used to arm7 |
| 21:02:46 | n1s | arm9 is v5 right? |
| 21:02:58 | amiconn | Just click through "ARM9 processors, and then the specific type of arm9 |
| 21:03:04 | amiconn | n1s: Can be v4 or v5 |
| 21:03:08 | bertrik | gevaerts: do we really need both serial and mass storage at the same time, having only one at the same time is soo much easier |
| 21:04:09 | n1s | amiconn: ah, right the gigabeat f use a v4 one |
| 21:04:20 | * | linuxstb thinks a wiki page comparing all the arm cores used in Rockbox targets would be useful.... |
| 21:04:29 | n1s | kind of confusing naming scheme that |
| 21:04:56 | amiconn | linuxstb: The device chart has the cpu types... |
| 21:05:38 | gevaerts | bertrik: having only one driver is of course possible. Does it need the device class in the device descriptor, or is per interface good enough ? |
| 21:05:38 | amiconn | MauS: Iirc both connectors form a single part. I'd expect some bad soldering at its pins |
| 21:05:47 | linuxstb | I'm thinking more like things like arm architecture versions, links to datasheets etc |
| 21:06:03 | linuxstb | i.e. what is arm7, arm9, arm v4/v5/v6/... |
| 21:06:19 | bertrik | gevaerts: I think it' |
| 21:06:42 | bertrik | s OK for windows to have 00/00/00 for both serial and mass storage (i.e. specify it in the interface) |
| 21:07:03 | amiconn | Of those newer targets, I might be interested in the logikdax. It has a mono lcd, and it offers DAB... |
| 21:07:10 | bertrik | (that wasn't very clear) |
| 21:07:18 | amiconn | Unfortunately I have no idea where I could get one |
| 21:08:25 | bertrik | gevaerts: the device descriptor can have 00/00/00 for class/subclass/protocol, it's OK for windows to specify it in the interface descriptors |
| 21:08:41 | amiconn | The D2 is interesting because of DAB and the SD slot, but having a touchscreen rules it out. |
| 21:08:45 | preglow | amiconn: hrm, not all cores have data on instruction timings, and most just barely mention how the pipeline is set up. i hate the tendency arm seems to have to delegate the responsibility for making this info available to each licensee |
| 21:09:33 | gevaerts | bertrik: ok. Making them exclusive should be easy then, but this would require a config setting I guess |
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| 21:11:10 | preglow | hmm, arm9tdmi has some instriction timing info |
| 21:11:14 | MauS | amiconn, can bad contact happen just because the jack socket got dirty? |
| 21:11:36 | bertrik | gevaerts: I was thinking more of a complete USB disconnect and re-appearing as a different device. AFAIK, windows only supports one configuration setting. |
| 21:12:30 | amiconn | preglow: I can find the timings for ARM9E-S, ARM9EJ-S, ARM9TDMI, ARM920T, ARM922T, ARM940T |
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| 21:13:18 | amiconn | They don't seem to be available for ARM926, ARM946, ARM966 and ARM968 |
| 21:13:26 | gevaerts | bertrik: I was thinking about disconnect as well. Even if the os supports more configurations, it can't reasonably decide a feature set for you |
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| 21:14:16 | MauS | Oh, it's dusty inside? |
| 21:14:43 | MauS | BigBambi, are common internet abbreviations forbidden here? |
| 21:14:53 | preglow | amiconn: i wonder which is the closest 926 |
| 21:15:05 | * | preglow doesn't get arm version numbers |
| 21:15:19 | BigBambi | MauS: Best just to check out the guidelines linked in the topic |
| 21:15:41 | * | MauS *blush* |
| 21:15:51 | BigBambi | :) |
| 21:17:03 | shotofadds | preglow: the 926ej-s TRM has the ARM9ej-s TRM listed as "further reading", so I'd go with that one |
| 21:17:42 | preglow | shotofadds: btw, i've now managed to mess up the retailos time by writing both to the pcf and tcc rtcs :P |
| 21:17:57 | preglow | i think perhaps nand is going to be simpler than figuring out rtc |
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| 21:18:16 | shotofadds | let me guess.. and neither can be back correctly? |
| 21:18:58 | MauS | amiconn, should i revert to the original fw until you fix the bug? |
| 21:19:24 | amiconn | preglow: Of the ones where timing info available, I would think ARM9EJ-S is closest |
| 21:19:24 | preglow | shotofadds: pcf rtc works, at least, i get the feeling the tcc one isn't even initialized correctly... but the pcf time is way off. not even minutes and seconds are correct |
| 21:19:30 | preglow | amiconn: yep, and it has lots of info |
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| 21:20:05 | shotofadds | preglow: it? |
| 21:20:19 | shotofadds | ah, ignore me |
| 21:20:19 | amiconn | It's v5TEJ, like the 926 |
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| 21:20:45 | shotofadds | as I said, the 926EJS TRM refers to the 9EJS TRM |
| 21:21:42 | preglow | ahh, smull/smlal and mul/mla are more deterministic, and even faster |
| 21:21:46 | preglow | that's good |
| 21:21:53 | linuxstb | amiconn: I'm 99.9% sure this is identical to the logik DAX (the buttons seem in identical places, and the manual contains identical looking screenshots) - http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?satitle=atmt+dab |
| 21:22:33 | linuxstb | But I can't find the DAX for sale any more, although they do appear on ebay occasionally. |
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| 21:23:02 | * | preglow has to admit his not exactly thrilled to bits by the touchscreen |
| 21:23:05 | preglow | his/he's |
| 21:23:30 | shotofadds | in the OF or rockbox? |
| 21:23:32 | linuxstb | Yes, I would have bought a D2 by now if it wasn't for the touchscreen (and lack of buttons) |
| 21:23:53 | shotofadds | really, it's quite usable with the 4 buttons |
| 21:24:09 | preglow | shotofadds: in general |
| 21:24:13 | preglow | i'm not a touch-screen fanatic, it seems |
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| 21:24:21 | preglow | it's just slower in use than buttons |
| 21:24:32 | preglow | it's completely decent, but i prefer buttons |
| 21:25:07 | shotofadds | same here. I use the buttons most of the time - but you can't choose your music with buttons in the OF :/ |
| 21:25:18 | amiconn | linuxstb: That one seems to exist in black, white, and pink |
| 21:25:24 | amiconn | http://www.atmt.co.uk/dab_details.html |
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| 21:25:47 | BigBambi | That pink is, errr, lovely... |
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| 21:26:06 | esperegu_ | is any current player supported? |
| 21:26:12 | BigBambi | no |
| 21:26:14 | bertrik | gevaerts: Linux did see a cdc device (didn't even BUG!) but doesn't create a /dev/ttyUSBx device |
| 21:26:46 | gevaerts | bertrik: did you specify VID and PID when loading usbserial ? |
| 21:27:19 | bertrik | I intended it to use cdc-acm module, but now I see it's actually loading usbserial |
| 21:27:21 | * | amiconn would prefer black |
| 21:27:49 | * | bertrik is confused |
| 21:27:49 | * | linuxstb is tempted to bid on the white one if the price stays low... |
| 21:28:03 | * | BigBambi is watching it too :) |
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| 21:28:14 | bertrik | gevaerts: the usbserial message I see is from inserting another USB-RS232 dongle, sorry |
| 21:28:32 | linuxstb | BigBambi: If you're serious, let me know - I already have two DAXes... |
| 21:28:36 | amiconn | linuxstb: amazon.co.uk offers brand new ones - for GBP 119 ... |
| 21:28:45 | BigBambi | linuxstb: I would like a DAP one for sure |
| 21:29:00 | linuxstb | Yes, over twice the price of the DAX (50 GBP) for identical hardware (I think). |
| 21:29:07 | BigBambi | linuxstb: I guess I'll watch until not long before and see what happens |
| 21:29:08 | bertrik | I thought cdc devices didn't need to have the VID/PID explicitly specified |
| 21:29:15 | BigBambi | linuxstb: but I will let you know |
| 21:29:17 | shotofadds | that's more expensive than an 8Gb D2 (ibood.com) |
| 21:29:27 | BigBambi | s/DAP/DAB |
| 21:29:49 | gevaerts | I don't know much about it, but sometimes they do |
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| 21:31:14 | bluebrother | domonoky: noticed Qt 4.4 is out? |
| 21:31:33 | domonoky | jup |
| 21:32:11 | bluebrother | hopefully I'll find the time to reinstall my box the next couple of days and can get a look :) |
| 21:32:31 | bluebrother | unfortunately my virtual machine is somewhat broken −− stupid windows :( |
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| 21:35:34 | preglow | seems like arm doesn't give away information on the java extensions |
| 21:35:35 | preglow | pfew... |
| 21:35:51 | bluebrother | who wants java anyway? ;-) |
| 21:35:53 | linuxstb | ;) |
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| 21:37:32 | amiconn | linuxstb: The case looks different though |
| 21:38:25 | amiconn | Are there 3 buttons each at the top and bottom? |
| 21:38:45 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, but it looks like the actual PCB could be identical. IIUC, the DAX was designed by Telechips. |
| 21:38:52 | amiconn | http://www.currys.co.uk/product.php?sku=152043 |
| 21:39:06 | linuxstb | 3 buttons at the top, and at the bottom, 2 buttons and a usb socket hidden under a fake button |
| 21:39:09 | amiconn | The logik dax, currently out of stock though |
| 21:39:43 | amiconn | Can't find either one offered outside the UK though |
| 21:40:25 | amiconn | 10 buttons in total must be great... |
| 21:41:02 | linuxstb | I'm not used to that luxury... |
| 21:41:11 | preglow | shotofadds: for some bloody reason, i just can't remember this nand terminology :) |
| 21:41:38 | shotofadds | preglow: terminology? |
| 21:41:52 | preglow | shotofadds: sector, bank, block, segment, plane, bank, etc |
| 21:42:20 | preglow | shotofadds: btw, the nand chip select connected to the gpio pin, does that just select which physical nand chip cs0 and cs1 goes to? |
| 21:42:26 | shotofadds | oh, yeah that's a problem. I _tried_ to explain it on the TelechipsNand wiki page, but it's not complete |
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| 21:43:08 | Status | ppl...how do i delete a song on rockbox? |
| 21:43:23 | shotofadds | preglow: I believe that's how it's used in the OF, yes, to switch between two physical chips |
| 21:43:25 | preglow | Status: by reading the manual |
| 21:43:39 | Status | before i could just be playing the song and press down and i'd have a menu...on this new version i press down and something completely different |
| 21:43:39 | MauS | Goodnight everyone ^_^ |
| 21:43:51 | Status | preglow i looked everywhere... |
| 21:43:56 | * | preglow hasn't tried the new quick screen... |
| 21:44:02 | preglow | manual might not be updated yet |
| 21:44:02 | Llorean | Status: Hold select. |
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| 21:44:10 | Status | i was just searching on google..and found that rockbox had an irc channel |
| 21:44:13 | shotofadds | /however/ I don't know of any D2s that use more than one physical chip |
| 21:44:14 | Llorean | preglow: deleting would be context menu, not quick screen. |
| 21:44:15 | Status | hmm |
| 21:44:24 | preglow | shotofadds: i thought both the 4 gig and 8 gig used two chips |
| 21:44:27 | Llorean | preglow: I'm almost certain that he's referring to the changes I made to the sansa controls *ages* ago. |
| 21:44:32 | preglow | Llorean: /me puzzled |
| 21:44:50 | Status | let me check ;] |
| 21:45:07 | shotofadds | preglow: 4gb and 8gb are both two banks in one physical package, iirc |
| 21:45:10 | Llorean | preglow: Status wanted to delete a file from a menu on the "down" button (previously loaded the context menu, now loads the main menu) |
| 21:45:12 | preglow | shotofadds: ah, riight |
| 21:45:27 | preglow | shotofadds: you tried to open your d2, btw? i gave it a shot and loosened some screws, but i still couldn't figure out how to actually pry it open without scratching the shit out of it |
| 21:45:27 | shotofadds | makes perfect sense :p |
| 21:45:56 | shotofadds | I loosened the screws, and then decided I like it too much to open it forcefully :( |
| 21:46:04 | preglow | shotofadds: that'd be exactly what i felt as well |
| 21:46:15 | preglow | especially considering my experiences opening my nano and h120 |
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| 21:46:25 | preglow | nano: now has a slightly misaligned back cover |
| 21:46:33 | preglow | h120: plastic around side screws pulverized |
| 21:46:58 | * | amiconn opened most of his daps |
| 21:47:03 | shotofadds | ah, I managed the h100 perfectly well. I've had to solder the stop button back on several times on that thing... |
| 21:47:16 | shotofadds | (and haven't broken it ... yet) |
| 21:47:17 | preglow | i've opened my h120 tons of times, problem is that something went wrong with the side screws |
| 21:47:20 | preglow | i probably wasn't careful en ough |
| 21:47:33 | preglow | ipods are just plain annoying to open |
| 21:47:59 | amiconn | The standard ipods are easy... just the minis (and the nano 2g) are hard |
| 21:48:06 | * | Llorean has great desire never to have to open his Nano. |
| 21:48:45 | preglow | anyone remember what the standard spinup time is for a standard h120 drive? |
| 21:48:54 | preglow | mine seems to be 3sec++, which i think sounds a bit much |
| 21:49:13 | amiconn | I'm not sure about the nano 1g - it should be possible to open the same way as the standard ipods, but it's quite thin, so it might be more difficult to open |
| 21:49:18 | * | LambdaCalculus37 has had to open his 4G color... that was a pain =/ |
| 21:49:36 | amiconn | Around 3 sec is normal for practically all hdd targets |
| 21:49:55 | amiconn | (2.5", 1.8" and 1" with the exception of the Minis) |
| 21:49:59 | preglow | good |
| 21:50:18 | amiconn | The mini's microdrive spins up in ~500ms |
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| 21:51:02 | amiconn | I don't understand why the seagate microdrive in the small H10 and the m:robe 100 needs as long as a big hdd... |
| 21:51:25 | webguest98 | hello, I have a quick question I know rockbox plays mpeg file format, but does that include mp4? |
| 21:51:33 | BigBambi | no |
| 21:51:39 | BigBambi | MPEG1/2 only |
| 21:51:48 | BigBambi | see www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer |
| 21:51:53 | * | preglow likes the 1 cycle multiply-accumulate instructions on arm9ej-s, but hates the fact he can't use them easily in dsp.c |
| 21:51:55 | webguest98 | ok thanks. |
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| 21:54:06 | amiconn | preglow: What's special about them? |
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| 21:55:28 | preglow | amiconn: well, they're fast :) they are so becase they're not 32x32, they're either 32x16 or 16x16 |
| 21:55:59 | preglow | amiconn: also, they let you choose upper or lower halfword of a register for the 16 bit operands, emac style |
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| 21:59:39 | linuxstb | preglow: So for vector operations, you can do 32-bit reads, and then perform the two multiplications directly? |
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| 22:00:00 | preglow | 926 has a hardvard arch, that i did not know |
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| 22:00:14 | preglow | linuxstb: indeed, i already know of several places where i can take advantage of this |
| 22:00:22 | preglow | mostly in speex, i intend to have speex encoding going on the d2 |
| 22:00:40 | linuxstb | APE will benefit from that... |
| 22:00:52 | preglow | and hopefully also on arm7 and coldfire, of course |
| 22:02:09 | preglow | now, if we could only get this basic stuff working... |
| 22:02:15 | * | preglow curses the nand |
| 22:02:38 | * | Llorean would certainly enjoy having speex encoding for voice notes and such |
| 22:03:01 | preglow | Llorean: well, i intend to let you have it :) |
| 22:03:12 | preglow | on d2, i even expect to have wb mode working |
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| 22:04:16 | amiconn | preglow: They say hardvard cache |
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| 22:04:38 | amiconn | It's a bit confusing, but I think it refers to the fact that instruction cache and data cache are separate |
| 22:04:43 | preglow | amiconn: confusing indeed... |
| 22:04:56 | preglow | so the internal bus is harvard? hardly surprising |
| 22:05:12 | amiconn | And btw, these packed 16 bit mac instructions are ideal for the ape filter... |
| 22:05:24 | preglow | amiconn: is a 32 bit accumulator ok for that? |
| 22:05:29 | amiconn | yes |
| 22:05:41 | preglow | amiconn: then you'll have a single cycle mac instruction |
| 22:05:42 | amiconn | The result is clipped to 16 bits anyway |
| 22:06:00 | amiconn | Is there a way to add 16 bit register halves as well? |
| 22:06:01 | preglow | 16x16 can also do a 64 bit accumulator, but at two cycles |
| 22:06:07 | preglow | amiconn: sadly, no |
| 22:06:11 | amiconn | (just add, not multiply-add) |
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| 22:06:31 | preglow | amiconn: but with a dummy register for a "1", sure :) |
| 22:06:52 | amiconn | no |
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| 22:07:08 | amiconn | This would need fetching the accumulator every time |
| 22:07:55 | preglow | fetching? smlalxx lets you put the accmulator wherever you want it, just like mla |
| 22:08:23 | preglow | smlaxx, i mean |
| 22:08:53 | amiconn | The ape filter needs to add vectors |
| 22:09:07 | amiconn | Not add all values from a vector into a single result value |
| 22:09:13 | * | shotofadds thinks we need to be able to _load_ files before decoding them :/ |
| 22:09:23 | preglow | shotofadds: i can dream, can't i? |
| 22:09:32 | shotofadds | heh, dream away :-) |
| 22:09:33 | * | preglow gears up for some melodrama |
| 22:09:34 | amiconn | I.e. a[0] += b[0]; a[1] += b[1]; etc |
| 22:10:05 | bertrik | gevaerts: I think I can't make both USB serial and USB mass storage work for the PP targets for both windows and linux |
| 22:10:06 | preglow | shotofadds: btw, do telechips keep a log->phys translation table in flash? |
| 22:10:19 | bertrik | the only thing I haven't tried is to use interface association descriptors |
| 22:10:25 | amiconn | Check apps/codecs/demac/libdemac/vector_math16*.h |
| 22:10:27 | shotofadds | preglow: yes, there is one. but it isn't always up-to-date, so it's not helpful at all. |
| 22:10:38 | preglow | amiconn: the accumulate instruction also update a flag in the cpsr that stays set on overflows, i wonder how well that can be used for saturation |
| 22:10:47 | preglow | shotofadds: i wonder what the point is... |
| 22:10:59 | bertrik | gevaerts: you would be OK with only having one of them at a time? |
| 22:11:02 | preglow | shotofadds: perhaps it has several and cycle between them? |
| 22:11:14 | preglow | using the same block would be kind of stupid, wear-wise |
| 22:11:18 | shotofadds | there's only 1 copy (the 0x12 blocks) |
| 22:11:22 | preglow | hmm |
| 22:11:23 | shotofadds | they move around the flash |
| 22:11:34 | amiconn | The beast is arm v6, correct? |
| 22:11:38 | gevaerts | bertrik: maybe add a "can't coexist with other drivers" flag to the class driver struct |
| 22:11:42 | preglow | amiconn: aye |
| 22:11:55 | amiconn | I wonder how the beast performs when playing ape.... |
| 22:11:59 | preglow | amiconn: that has simd extensions that will be very useful for ap |
| 22:12:00 | preglow | ape |
| 22:12:11 | preglow | at least probably |
| 22:12:13 | amiconn | arm v6 should also have those single-cycle 16 bit mac instructions, correct? |
| 22:12:17 | preglow | amiconn: yes |
| 22:12:24 | * | scorche|sh wonders why people want to play ape on an embedded device.. |
| 22:12:29 | preglow | scorche|sh: madness |
| 22:12:32 | gevaerts | bertrik: I don't want to do this in general. If we ever get HID, that should be able to coexists with just about anything |
| 22:12:54 | shotofadds | preglow: I get the feeling I'm missing something crucial, but there are no other block types on the flash. I can't locate any other non-page data (if you get what I mean) |
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| 22:13:20 | preglow | shotofadds: a nasty business, this :/ |
| 22:13:35 | shotofadds | I can't work out how it tracks changes. If a change a sector, the original copy still exists on the flash, plus a new copy. but there's seemingly no way to determine which is the up-to-date copy |
| 22:13:36 | bertrik | gevaerts: ok |
| 22:13:47 | bertrik | Would HID actually make sense though? |
| 22:14:12 | gevaerts | bertrik: serial probably won't be used for much else than debugging. That means (IMHO) that making it work is the most important. Coexisting with other drivers would be nice, but not at a high complexity cost |
| 22:14:14 | amiconn | scorche: First in order to show that we can, and then ape has the best compression of all supported lossless formats so far |
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| 22:14:19 | yeal` | hi |
| 22:14:28 | yeal` | is there a way to make it so rockbox is faster |
| 22:14:42 | yeal` | ipod software does not have to load a database each time i browse songs |
| 22:14:55 | amiconn | That's actually something where the extra power of the newer targets makes sense. |
| 22:15:05 | scorche|sh | amiconn: at a cost of battery life since it needs a good bit of power.. |
| 22:15:17 | gevaerts | bertrik: HID doesn't really make sense now (with only usb storage), but I think that if we ever have usb audio, being able to use the player buttons would be nice |
| 22:15:21 | scorche|sh | depending on target and how we handle the cpu of course |
| 22:15:28 | BigBambi | yeal`: I don't really understand what you are asking |
| 22:15:55 | yeal` | ipod os does not require loading a song database each time you look at files |
| 22:15:58 | yeal` | rockbox does |
| 22:15:59 | Llorean | yeal`: iPod software doesn't have customizable searches, so it pre-calculates the results of the filters on the computer instead. |
| 22:16:03 | yeal` | rockbox is slower |
| 22:16:16 | scorche|sh | i realize the "show we can" bit...i am talking about practical usage |
| 22:16:21 | yeal` | can rockbox do that , llorean? |
| 22:16:26 | BigBambi | yeal`: Depends if you use the database or the file browser |
| 22:16:33 | amiconn | gevaerts: Wouldn't HID make a cheap "charging-only" interface that doesn't pop up driver requests in windows? |
| 22:16:45 | Llorean | yeal`: No, because we can't know in advance what searches you're going to use. The software that does it is actually iTunes. If you want a constant layout, just use the filetree, it will be much faster. |
| 22:16:50 | BigBambi | yeal`: No, but it is a *huge* amount more flexible |
| 22:17:14 | yeal` | the filetree lists files as F02 and F03 |
| 22:17:18 | yeal` | instead of the actual song naems |
| 22:17:25 | gevaerts | amiconn: that's another use. But I actually also have a do-nothing usb audio implementation here that also doesn't pop up anything |
| 22:17:27 | amiconn | scorche: I can imagine that some users what to squeeze as much lossless music on their devices, even if it costs runtime |
| 22:17:27 | Bagder | yeal`: then rename them! |
| 22:17:33 | Llorean | yeal`: Then put the songs on there without using a program that renames them stupid things. |
| 22:17:36 | BigBambi | yeal`: That is because itunes copies sons with stupid filename |
| 22:17:50 | BigBambi | yeal`: That is all itunes being stupid |
| 22:17:51 | bertrik | amiconn: indeed |
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| 22:18:16 | * | gevaerts should get back to that usb audio thing some day |
| 22:18:55 | amiconn | Hmm. Isn't HID always low-speed? |
| 22:19:02 | bertrik | no |
| 22:19:02 | * | linuxstb still wants Rockbox to act as a USB printer... |
| 22:19:12 | bertrik | can be full-speed as well |
| 22:19:18 | amiconn | Ah ok |
| 22:19:34 | Llorean | But not high? |
| 22:19:53 | gevaerts | HID is quite often used for one or two buttons somewhere in addition to whatever the primary function of the device is |
| 22:20:09 | gevaerts | low, full and high |
| 22:20:10 | bertrik | Llorean: I don't think there's a limitation on the physical side for HID |
| 22:20:25 | gevaerts | You can build a high speed mouse if you like... |
| 22:20:28 | Llorean | bertrik: I was just curious because of the conspicuous use of the term "full" |
| 22:21:12 | bertrik | to the device driver it's almost invisible whether the device is low, full or high speed |
| 22:21:25 | bertrik | device -> USB class |
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| 22:25:07 | yeal` | if i put songs on my ipod manually, then i won't be able to use itunes |
| 22:25:22 | yeal` | i mean ipod os |
| 22:25:48 | preglow | shotofadds: i can't seem to be able to find a datasheet for the nand chip in the 8 gig. is there one? |
| 22:26:21 | linuxstb | yeal`: Correct |
| 22:27:23 | linuxstb | yeal`: Have you enabled the "load to RAM" option for the database? |
| 22:27:36 | bertrik | linuxstb: USB printer should be doable, AFAIK it's basically just a parallel port emulation :) |
| 22:27:56 | gevaerts | bertrik: of course we also need a ghostscript port then :) |
| 22:27:56 | shotofadds | preglow: the K9XXG08UXM datasheet is generic and applies to that chip, too |
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| 22:28:14 | preglow | shotofadds: apart from the column address format, i assume |
| 22:28:20 | linuxstb | bertrik: Really? I would have thought it was at a higher level than that. |
| 22:28:47 | preglow | linuxstb: you mean the way ums really is just scsi? |
| 22:28:52 | shotofadds | preglow: I guess. see the "ID Definition Table" at the end, |
| 22:29:00 | shotofadds | for the different possibilities |
| 22:29:12 | linuxstb | preglow: ;) No, more like usb audio... |
| 22:30:41 | bertrik | With USB serial it would be possible to run a simple command shell on the target itself, which would be great for debugging I think |
| 22:31:49 | bertrik | linuxstb: yes, as far as I understand after skimming the USB printing devices spec |
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| 22:33:05 | amiconn | bertrik: Iiuc it would even allow to use gdb over serial (needs a gdb stub on target) |
| 22:34:29 | gevaerts | Does that work well if the driver needs interrupts ? |
| 22:34:32 | bertrik | hmm, interesting idea :P |
| 22:35:24 | linuxstb | Didn't the iFP port feature that? |
| 22:36:18 | gevaerts | It did have files related to it. I don't know how well it worked |
| 22:36:42 | preglow | linuxstb: wouldn't surprise me if that turned out to be line out over usb :) |
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| 22:36:48 | amiconn | I don't know. On archos, gdb over serial is usable (via an actual serial port, just requiring a level converter) |
| 22:37:50 | gevaerts | I'm also a bit worried about the usage of threads and message queues by the usb infrastructure. It would limit what you can debug. Of course it's possible to add another more basic driver |
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| 22:40:26 | * | bertrik thinks it's quite unlikely to have a target that needs to be debugged with gdb and yet already has a stable USB serial implementation |
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| 22:41:05 | Bagder | you could still debug playback and codecs etc |
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| 22:45:29 | * | bluebrother wonders what happened to the study mode discussion |
| 22:46:16 | n1s | amiconn: linuxstb posted results from an APE test on the beast (at 265MHz) in the wiki, ~10% faster than gigabeat f (that is running your optimized arm7 assebler code though) |
| 22:47:52 | bertrik | bluebrother: IIRC, everyone that voiced an opinion on it wouldn't mind if it was removed, but no decision was made, then it drifted off-topic, but we could check the logs again |
| 22:49:25 | Llorean | I'd like to see a coarse seeking function *like* study mode, but only if people familiar with the areas it touched agreed it didn't add significantly negative complexity. |
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| 22:51:25 | bluebrother | Llorean: something like the Apple OF does where you can switch the wheel between volume and fast seeking mode? |
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| 22:52:14 | Llorean | bluebrother: That's not very much use on any but wheel targets. |
| 22:52:30 | Llorean | I like the idea of "pressing next skips X seconds/minutes instead of going to the next track" |
| 22:52:38 | Llorean | But it sounds like it's just too complex. |
| 22:52:42 | Llorean | Or at least, not very clean |
| 22:52:50 | Llorean | Judging from the negative commentary, at least |
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| 22:53:50 | preglow | i agree |
| 22:53:56 | bertrik | I like the idea of using the wheel for seeking when paused, but indeed it only works on wheel targets |
| 22:53:58 | preglow | but it probably won't happen as long as study mode is in svn... |
| 22:54:08 | bluebrother | I guess we will get quite some confused users wondering why skipping doesn't work anymore ... |
| 22:54:31 | bertrik | study mode is a setting that defaults to off |
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| 22:54:43 | preglow | i refuse to believe adding "skip x seconds" instad of "skip track" can be very hard |
| 22:54:45 | amiconn | n1s: The gigabeat F/X uses the C code (slightly faster than the ARM7 assembler) |
| 22:54:49 | preglow | and if it is, something is badly botched somewhere |
| 22:54:55 | Llorean | bluebrother: It should absolutely be disabled by default. I didn't mean to suggest it should always happen on longer files. |
| 22:55:16 | amiconn | With dedicated arm v6 assembler it should be able to run significantly faster |
| 22:55:23 | bluebrother | true. But the wording isn't quite good and users already have been confused by party mode |
| 22:55:38 | bluebrother | Llorean: I wasn't implying that it's enabled by default for longer files |
| 22:55:41 | preglow | what is party mode? :> |
| 22:56:05 | Llorean | Yes, it needs a better name than "study mode" certainly. |
| 22:56:09 | bluebrother | yep. Now enable it and be confused. "Help, I can't skip anymore" |
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| 22:56:51 | bluebrother | especially as I know study mode as something completely different. My old SonicBlue CD mp3 player has this, and it was something like "skip 5 seconds back when resuming". |
| 22:57:29 | Llorean | bluebrother: The problem is I mentioned that iriver called it "study mode", so that name got chosen by someone I guess so as to be familiar for iriver users? |
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| 22:58:05 | BigBambi_ | I don't so much mind the idea of study mode (knowing nothing about the code implications), but the name is *completely* inaccurate |
| 22:58:12 | n1s | amiconn: ah, I only looked quickly and saw that the predictor asm was used for all arm cpus so i assumed the same for the rest |
| 22:58:38 | bluebrother | the name "tracklock" that was used in the tracker task first is _much_ better. |
| 22:58:44 | amiconn | The arm asm predictor is indeed used for all arm... and it's not my work ;) |
| 22:58:44 | * | shotofadds wonders how to make the D2 usable in pocket if something similar to the OF's "hold switch" trick isn't desired |
| 22:58:44 | BigBambi_ | yep |
| 22:58:55 | Llorean | bluebrother: I don't think "tracklock" is particularly useful, there's no "locking" going on really. |
| 22:59:11 | * | amiconn only did the optimised arm7 filters, and the coldfire predictor and filters |
| 22:59:13 | Llorean | And you should still go to the next track if you skip to the end of it, just like seeking to the end. |
| 22:59:20 | * | Llorean likes neither name. |
| 22:59:21 | BigBambi_ | Llorean: Not ideal, but better than study mode :) |
| 22:59:37 | Llorean | I disagree, I think they're both very bad. |
| 22:59:42 | bluebrother | Llorean: I agree that the name isn't the best. But IMO it's much better than "study mode". |
| 22:59:45 | BigBambi_ | How about just something like "Course skipping" |
| 22:59:50 | Llorean | Coarse. |
| 22:59:53 | BigBambi_ | Yes |
| 22:59:58 | Llorean | :-P |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:01 | BigBambi_ | :) |
| 23:00:36 | Llorean | "Coarse skipping: On/Off" and "Coarse skip amount: 5m, 10m, 15m, 30m" or something. |
| 23:00:38 | preglow | i think the setting should be called "skip mode", or something |
| 23:00:47 | BigBambi_ | yeppers |
| 23:00:55 | preglow | with optiosn "skip track, seek five secs, seek ten secs, seek thirty secs, etc" |
| 23:01:14 | preglow | something better than "skip mode" can be found, surely, but i think this is the best way to fit the option in |
| 23:01:19 | Llorean | Makes sense. |
| 23:02:05 | preglow | this also cuts back on the amount of settings, just one extra and not three, like the study mode patch |
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| 23:02:35 | * | BigBambi prods someone to rename flashlight at the same time |
| 23:02:40 | preglow | to what? |
| 23:02:42 | preglow | lightbulb? |
| 23:02:45 | n1s | preglow: maybe "track skip mode" ? slightly more self explanatory, although study mode is not hard to beat :) |
| 23:02:53 | BigBambi | preglow: Light, or illuminate maybe |
| 23:03:01 | preglow | n1s: problem is that "seek five seconds" isn't a "track skip mode" |
| 23:03:02 | linuxstb | Or "torch" ;) |
| 23:03:13 | BigBambi | preglow: The thing is, Rockbox uses UK english, in which flashlight is wrong |
| 23:03:24 | Llorean | linuxstb: Didn't we agree on American English for user visible strings? :-P |
| 23:03:34 | Llorean | I thought we used UK in the code, and US in the text? |
| 23:03:39 | preglow | ahahah |
| 23:03:40 | BigBambi | preglow: But the correct word, torch, is likely to confuse our American friends |
| 23:03:45 | preglow | can't we use the same for everything, please :) |
| 23:03:57 | n1s | preglow: of course seeking isn't skipping like "Resume" isn't a screen :) |
| 23:04:15 | preglow | Nico_P? |
| 23:04:20 | Llorean | preglow: As to the skip mode, I'd argue that any value less than 1 minute is probably not very useful compared to normal seeking. |
| 23:04:23 | Nico_P | preglow: yes? |
| 23:04:27 | * | BigBambi kicks linuxstb into action |
| 23:04:37 | preglow | Nico_P: have you had a look at the study mode commit? |
| 23:04:51 | Nico_P | no, I haven't |
| 23:04:53 | preglow | Nico_P: just wondering if you would be able to say if the code implementation is overly complex |
| 23:05:10 | Nico_P | what revision is it? I could take a quick look before I leave |
| 23:05:19 | preglow | Nico_P: it basically just implements "seek x secs back/forward" instead of "skip track", and i think it has too much code for what it does |
| 23:05:22 | preglow | gimme a sec |
| 23:05:34 | bluebrother | Llorean: the manual also "defaults" to UK english |
| 23:05:37 | preglow | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=17355 |
| 23:05:46 | Llorean | bluebrother: Maybe I've got it backward then. |
| 23:05:52 | BigBambi | Llorean: you do :) |
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| 23:06:08 | BigBambi | The user interface and manual etc is UK, code is US |
| 23:06:10 | * | linuxstb thought Llorean was joking |
| 23:06:10 | preglow | on second read, not much of it is playback code... |
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| 23:06:31 | BigBambi | linuxstb: me too |
| 23:06:32 | preglow | Nico_P: anyway, perhaps you would be able to say how simple such a function should be to implement :P |
| 23:06:56 | Nico_P | preglow: it should be pretty simple, but that can change with all the special casing that can be needed |
| 23:07:02 | BigBambi | But, given that torch/flashlight/light/illuminate isn't yet in the manual, this seems an ideal time to change it |
| 23:07:03 | Llorean | linuxstb: Unfortunately I wasn't. At some point it ended up that it's "colors" in the code and "colours" in the language files. My memory betrayed me, and i thought it was the other way around. |
| 23:07:35 | linuxstb | Llorean: That's the whole reason some people don't like "flashlight" as the name for the plugin... |
| 23:07:57 | pixelma | has this study mode been tested on hwcodec yet? |
| 23:07:59 | Nico_P | preglow: it doesn't add anything to playback.c. it just uses the ff_rw funcs |
| 23:08:10 | Llorean | linuxstb: I thought it was the same reason I don't like "Torch", ie: rather than being a spelling variant, it's actually a word that can cause some confusion as people may not be familiar with it in that context at all |
| 23:08:11 | preglow | Nico_P: no, i noticed that |
| 23:08:25 | BigBambi | Llorean: there is that too |
| 23:08:31 | Llorean | linuxstb: I'd much rather a word present for that use in either dialect, such as "Light" |
| 23:08:36 | BigBambi | me too |
| 23:08:56 | BigBambi | Llorean: Make it so! There seems to be general agreement on this... |
| 23:09:04 | * | linuxstb still doesn't agree that a torch (in the US meaning) isn't also a descriptive name |
| 23:09:11 | pixelma | could there be specific problems (if someone could tell by reading the code/looking at the files changed) |
| 23:09:14 | preglow | i probably think "torch" is the better word |
| 23:09:22 | preglow | "light" is too vague, in a way |
| 23:09:24 | Nico_P | preglow: the added code really is in the UI handling... I'm not sure it could be trimmed down |
| 23:09:32 | BigBambi | me too (being British), bit I'm willing to compromise |
| 23:09:50 | * | Llorean knows people who would figure out "Torch" eventually, but would first assume it's a game or something because Torches involve Fire. |
| 23:09:56 | linuxstb | I would be happy with something vague, but would prefer torch, as that's the purpose of the plugin |
| 23:10:05 | Nico_P | I remember suffering a bit with that code when doing the cue support. |
| 23:10:08 | BigBambi | I would just like it to not be flashlight |
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| 23:10:34 | Llorean | We could name it Single_Coloured_Screen_With_Backlight |
| 23:10:36 | Llorean | :-P |
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| 23:10:39 | bertrik | torch sounds like it can set something on fire |
| 23:10:54 | BigBambi | bertrik: not in UK english |
| 23:11:00 | BigBambi | (or yes, but not only) |
| 23:11:23 | pixelma | illuminobox |
| 23:11:25 | BigBambi | Right, vote time. 1) Light 2) Illuminate 3) Torch 4) Flashlight |
| 23:11:27 | preglow | go "light" |
| 23:11:41 | Llorean | Maybe we should just wait for localized plugin names, and introduce an USA.lang. |
| 23:12:03 | bluebrother | useless-lightonly-plugin :) |
| 23:12:07 | BigBambi | I'd prefer to change it now and if a USA lang gets introduced deal with that then |
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| 23:12:29 | * | BigBambi votes 1 or 2 |
| 23:12:30 | bluebrother | once we get localization for plugins, why not create a en_US lang file? |
| 23:12:35 | shotofadds | easy: rocklight ;) |
| 23:12:42 | BigBambi | shotofadds: damn you |
| 23:12:44 | * | amiconn , not being a native speaker, prefers british english over american, but always associates "torch" with the fiery thing |
| 23:12:48 | shotofadds | hehe |
| 23:12:55 | shotofadds | flashbox? |
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| 23:13:01 | pixelma | matchbox |
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| 23:13:12 | BigBambi | I would prefer torch, but have ruled it out in deference to compromise |
| 23:13:22 | linuxstb | amiconn: But a firey thing designed to give light, or a firey thing designed for setting fire to objects? |
| 23:13:44 | yeal` | any of you found any good uses for ipodlinux since it cannot really display itune copied files correctly? |
| 23:13:45 | BigBambi | All in favour of light say aye |
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| 23:13:55 | BigBambi | yeal`: That is off topic here |
| 23:14:20 | linuxstb | s/firey/fiery/ |
| 23:14:23 | amiconn | The thing to give light. |
| 23:14:35 | bluebrother | lighter? |
| 23:14:41 | BigBambi | which is what a torch does, just electrically |
| 23:14:42 | * | bertrik votes 1) Light, but will probably never use the plugin |
| 23:14:54 | * | Nico_P leaves |
| 23:14:57 | BigBambi | bluebrother: It can light cigarettes? |
| 23:14:58 | amiconn | In German there are very different words for the fiery torch versus the torch running from batteries |
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| 23:15:13 | BigBambi | In english english they are the same |
| 23:15:44 | amiconn | BigBambi: Yes, in british english they're the same. What about american? |
| 23:15:45 | preglow | amiconn: out of curiosity, what are they? |
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| 23:15:53 | BigBambi | amiconn: in US no |
| 23:15:57 | amiconn | preglow: Fackel and Taschenlampe |
| 23:15:59 | fml | May I add a bit to the study mode talk? Why not call it "rew/fwd mode"? There will be 'continuous' mode (like what we have now) and 'coarse' mode. In the coarse mode, first press of, say, right would just skip N secs. If you then release the button that's it. If you keep it pressed, it goes on continuously. |
| 23:16:11 | pixelma | if one translates that German word back and simplifies it, you could call it "lamp" |
| 23:16:15 | preglow | amiconn: fakkel and lommelykt in norwegian :) |
| 23:16:22 | preglow | they mean the same |
| 23:16:22 | Llorean | pixelma: I was just about to suggest "lamp", too. |
| 23:16:26 | BigBambi | amiconn: hence me prefering torch as that is the correct word in 'my' english, but not insisting on torch as I know the US don't use it |
| 23:16:31 | fml | So the difference between the continuous and coarse mode is what happens on the first press. |
| 23:16:36 | BigBambi | Lamp would be good |
| 23:16:41 | preglow | ooh, lamp |
| 23:16:42 | preglow | me like |
| 23:16:50 | BigBambi | Lamp is nice |
| 23:16:55 | Llorean | fml: The behaviour on holding down the button won't change, it's just taps of the button that would. |
| 23:16:58 | preglow | also, make a lavalamp plug, please |
| 23:17:00 | bertrik | in dutch it's zaklamp |
| 23:17:12 | BigBambi | Right then, any objections to lamp? |
| 23:17:23 | pixelma | preglow: maybe combine plasma and "lamp"? |
| 23:18:11 | * | bertrik agrees to lamp |
| 23:18:20 | BigBambi | linuxstb: ? |
| 23:18:26 | fml | Llorean: does the track skip now on button release? Not on press? |
| 23:19:29 | * | shotofadds thinks "lamp" at least doesn't imply we support (adobe) Flash Lite ;) |
| 23:19:30 | amiconn | fml: It always skipped on release |
| 23:19:46 | preglow | shotofadds: :D |
| 23:19:55 | Llorean | fml: You are aware that the ff/rw button also do track skip. The first press normally skips to the next track, the feature is offering an alternate where the first press skips an amount of time, instead of to the next song. |
| 23:20:03 | Llorean | I don't understand your "continuous" suggestion at all. |
| 23:20:03 | fml | I'd think of it as of keyboard auto repeat on PC: first press immediately produces a character (skip N secs in our case), then a delay, then repeating (continuous moving in our case) |
| 23:20:34 | linuxstb | BigBambi: Lamp is my second choice ;) |
| 23:20:41 | amiconn | fml: The press can't be used as a trigger if short and long presses are used for different actions |
| 23:20:45 | BigBambi | Llorean: lamp OK? |
| 23:21:08 | amiconn | And skip vs. seek is such a case |
| 23:21:23 | Llorean | BigBambi: I like it. |
| 23:21:29 | fml | Llorean: 'continuous' means just what we have now, i.e. no jumps on 'click' (i.e. short press and then release) |
| 23:21:33 | * | BigBambi feels we have built a consensus |
| 23:21:45 | Llorean | fml: Short press and release right now goes to the next track. I'd call that a significant jump. |
| 23:21:50 | BigBambi | Now all we need is someone with commit rights to do the renaming.... |
| 23:22:07 | * | BigBambi spots a few people with said powers |
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| 23:23:16 | * | petur points out that many users will end up with two identical plugins with different names |
| 23:23:33 | BigBambi | All the more reason to do it now not later |
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| 23:24:11 | amiconn | linuxstb: How do you run code on the dax? Is there a chance for a sane bootloader installation? |
| 23:24:15 | Llorean | petur: So we should accompany it with a change to the plugin API breaking backward compatibility. |
| 23:24:27 | petur | lol |
| 23:24:29 | fml | Llorean, amiconn: ok, I see. What would you say about a hopping mode: keeping the button pressed moves the position in jumps but stays at the end (or start) of the track once it's reached. To skip to the next/prev track, you have to release the button and click it again. This is like wrapping in lists now. |
| 23:24:32 | bluebrother | tetrox has been renamed before, so ... |
| 23:24:35 | pixelma | well, I asked them to clean up their wps folder(s) too |
| 23:25:01 | BigBambi | petur: I still think it ought to be renamed, flashlight is wrong in UK english |
| 23:25:14 | amiconn | fml: That's how it always worked (seeking confined to the current track) |
| 23:25:18 | * | bluebrother would like to add a cleanup functionality to rbutil |
| 23:25:26 | amiconn | It even slows down when approaching the start or end |
| 23:25:39 | * | pixelma notices that flashlight/lamp doesn't seem to be in the manual yet :\ |
| 23:25:55 | BigBambi | pixelma: exactly, so lets change it before it gets in :) |
| 23:26:11 | petur | pixelma: I was just adding flashlight to the manual. It's OK I think to not include a screenshot as that would be pretty useless ;) |
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| 23:26:54 | pixelma | prepare people to see a blank screen otherwise they get confused ;) |
| 23:27:09 | petur | so flashlight becomes lamp? |
| 23:27:13 | bluebrother | maybe it should show a splash on how to exit anyway? |
| 23:27:15 | fml | amiconn: hrm... yes, you are right! But then the study mode (pardon the name!) does exactly what it should IMHO What's wrong with it? That it's impossible to skip to the next track with the normal click? |
| 23:27:15 | BigBambi | yes |
| 23:28:20 | Llorean | fml: The main problem is that it isn't done as cleanly (and intuitively in terms of settings) as we'd like, and has a bad name. |
| 23:28:21 | fml | petur: for the sake of the screenshot, we should add a descriptive text to the plugin, i.e. "You're now using the flashlight plugin" :-) |
| 23:28:35 | BigBambi | fml: The *lamp* plugin :) |
| 23:28:55 | fml | BigBambi: exuse me Sir! |
| 23:28:59 | BigBambi | :) |
| 23:29:02 | fml | *..cuse |
| 23:29:24 | skull0 | Hello everyone! |
| 23:30:18 | skull0 | Im hopping some friend help me to try rockbox in an odd jukebox but i dont know where to start |
| 23:30:19 | fml | Llorean: couldn't we assign a 'hop' to a combo? E.g. play+right on h120? |
| 23:30:36 | fml | Then we wouldn't need such mode at all |
| 23:31:02 | Llorean | fml: There are players where such combos are difficult/impossible. |
| 23:31:08 | Llorean | It would be better to just fix the problems with it. |
| 23:31:55 | n1s | play+right is already dirskip iirc |
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| 23:33:40 | skull0 | how can I check if rockbox have opportunity to run in hardware different from the ones listed? |
| 23:33:51 | skull0 | please |
| 23:33:52 | Llorean | skull0: It only runs on ones listed. |
| 23:33:58 | bluebrother | skull0: check the NewPorts wiki page |
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| 23:34:21 | BigBambi | skull0: For a new port check either the New Ports forum or www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPorts |
| 23:34:35 | * | scorche|sh sees he missed "torch" discussion =/ |
| 23:34:46 | BigBambi | scorche|sh: Lamp work for you? |
| 23:35:06 | * | scorche|sh likes illuminate but will concede to a majority for lamp |
| 23:35:11 | fml | Actually, I'd like or need the 'study mode' for one purpose: quickly jump back to a certain point within the current song. Is there another way to do that now? I.e. to set a marker and jump back to it. |
| 23:35:24 | skull0 | Ok! |
| 23:35:34 | skull0 | Ill check it |
| 23:35:36 | Llorean | fml: a-b repeat. |
| 23:35:50 | Llorean | Or bookmarks. |
| 23:36:17 | skull0 | thanks Llorean, bluebrother and BigBambi |
| 23:36:19 | Llorean | Or cuesheets if you know the point in advance. |
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| 23:37:49 | * | fml goes reading manual (A-B) |
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| 23:39:02 | fml | Ahem... Why is the manual for H120 called 'h100'? Isn't that politically incorrect? |
| 23:39:14 | BigBambi | fml: It is the h100 series |
| 23:39:30 | BigBambi | including the h110, h115, h120 and h140 |
| 23:40:14 | * | BigBambi gives up making a patch for flashlight > lamp; svn diff doesn't seem to be able to handle svn move |
| 23:40:28 | * | petur is prepping the rename commit |
| 23:40:46 | n1s | petur.commit_count++ :D |
| 23:40:53 | fml | BigBambi: ah, so there isn't such thing as H100? Only H110 etc? |
| 23:41:16 | BigBambi | fml: As far as I know |
| 23:41:29 | fml | Llorean: I owe you much! A-B repeat mode is exectly what I need (if I understand the manual right) |
| 23:42:08 | BigBambi | petur: coolio :) |
| 23:42:11 | fml | BigBambi: on the manual download page, it says 'H100/H115' |
| 23:42:18 | BigBambi | oh really? |
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| 23:42:35 | fml | BigBambi: yes. That's why I asked. |
| 23:43:01 | BigBambi | I meant that in surprise not I didn't believe you :) |
| 23:43:19 | bluebrother | I just noticed that the manual download page has an "M-Robe" while the manual calls it "m:robe" |
| 23:43:35 | bluebrother | we're somewhat inconsistent with namings :( |
| 23:43:39 | amiconn | It's even more confusing. Iirc their first player was called iHP100 (10GB), then there was an iHP110 (15GB), iHP120 (20GB) and iHP140 (40GB) |
| 23:43:48 | BigBambi | fml: So on that same page I see the manual for h120/h140... |
| 23:43:52 | linuxstb | amiconn: I either use tcctool to upload code to RAM in usb boot mode (that requires a hardware mod, or physically removing the NAND module), or I have a dual-boot bootloader working which can be appended to the OF and "flashed" (to a hidden part of the NAND flash). |
| 23:44:00 | Llorean | And then the iHPs were retroactively renamed to H- |
| 23:44:04 | Bagder | bluebrother: the poor truth behind that particular one is that the colon is a magic separator in the build script! |
| 23:44:18 | amiconn | Later on they were forced to rename them (due to the 'HP' in the name), and then the iHP100 became H110, and the iHP110 became H115 |
| 23:44:24 | bluebrother | Bagder: too bad. No way to escape that? |
| 23:44:35 | petur | pixelma: is there an option to specify a certain feature in the manual (HAVE_BACKLIGHT) or must I specify all players that have it? |
| 23:44:40 | Bagder | I guess I could make an effort |
| 23:45:21 | fml | Are the manuals for the Hxx all the same? Why not make just one out of them? |
| 23:45:38 | bluebrother | petur: check features.tex in the manual build dir |
| 23:45:40 | Llorean | fml: The h110/h115 use a different build and bootloader than the h120/h140 |
| 23:45:48 | Llorean | They have half the RAM. |
| 23:46:08 | pixelma | petur: have to check |
| 23:46:10 | bluebrother | but the manual is the same −− the h120 download links to the h100 manual |
| 23:46:36 | petur | bluebrother: thanks |
| 23:47:02 | bluebrother | petur: oh, and there is HAVE_BACKLIGHT in some platform files ;-) |
| 23:47:19 | Llorean | bluebrother: I guess that makes sense, since the bootloader is handled by fwpatcher rather than having an explicit file to download. |
| 23:47:20 | pixelma | yes |
| 23:47:26 | fml | n1s: he-he. I see that you've just abandoned the 'without shift' mode for the calculator in ipods, right? :-) |
| 23:47:37 | bluebrother | I'm wondering why this isn't created by the features feature |
| 23:48:02 | n1s | fml: they simply don't have enough buttons and I didn't see a particular reason to keep it anyway |
| 23:48:04 | petur | bluebrother: seems I need HAVE_BACKLIGHT, not the brightness one |
| 23:48:13 | pixelma | because it's not made a feature in features.tex on purpose |
| 23:48:27 | * | petur listens |
| 23:48:33 | pixelma | eh... features.txt |
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| 23:49:01 | pixelma | it would only affect the Ondio which can have a backlight mod (IIRC) |
| 23:49:02 | bluebrother | ah, ok. Haven't looked into featurex.txt much |
| 23:49:13 | fml | Llorean: but does that mean a different manual? |
| 23:49:16 | n1s | pixelma: it could of course be added if we want it |
| 23:49:29 | fml | Llorean: keys and such are the same, right? |
| 23:49:31 | Llorean | fml: It means people think their players are different, since they have different builds. |
| 23:49:42 | amiconn | n1s: We don't want it, because features.txt also controls .voice and .lng generation |
| 23:49:45 | Llorean | So if you remove either one, people will ask "I need a different build, where is the manual for my build?" |
| 23:49:50 | Llorean | fml: They both link to the same manual. |
| 23:50:09 | n1s | amiconn: ? |
| 23:50:17 | bluebrother | I think it's also somewhat to make the table identical to the build table |
| 23:50:25 | n1s | I meant a 'feature' for the HAVE_BACKLIGHT |
| 23:50:32 | pixelma | n1s: Ondio backlight mod |
| 23:50:39 | amiconn | The only target without backlight is the Ondio, and the Ondio can be backlight modded |
| 23:50:49 | fml | Llorean: ah... But that can also be confusing since people who want to have a H120/140 manual see that the get somethig else. And assume an erroneous link |
| 23:51:03 | n1s | ah, you mean it will brake the build for the modded targets, ok |
| 23:51:04 | amiconn | So we decided to deliberately always include the .lng strings and .voice clips for backlight on Ondio |
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| 23:51:25 | petur | couldn't I just add it in the manual for all targets then? |
| 23:51:31 | fml | Llorean: I'd name it H1xx or H100-series |
| 23:51:34 | n1s | "someone" should put that in a comment somewhere ;) |
| 23:51:41 | amiconn | Otherwise a .voice file for a stock Ondio could not be used on a modded one |
| 23:51:57 | Llorean | fml: We've never had a confused user about it that I've seen... |
| 23:52:19 | amiconn | The backlight settings themselves are of course excluded in the stock Ondio buuild, in order to not confuse users |
| 23:52:33 | n1s | petur: that or \nopt{ondio} |
| 23:53:27 | pixelma | petur: there is a UseOption HAVE_BACKLIGHT (at least I saw one in the c200 platform file) |
| 23:53:28 | * | n1s got 5.45 on the beast with ata poweroff and clocks turned off to unused modules |
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| 23:54:17 | Llorean | n1s: Compared to what in the OF? |
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| 23:54:33 | amiconn | The very few users with a modded Ondio are certainly able to figure out the lamp plugin without manual ;) |
| 23:54:51 | n1s | Llorean: I haven't tested but they quote a 12.30 music playback time |
| 23:54:57 | amiconn | So \nopt{ondio} sounds like a good solution |
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| 23:55:40 | pixelma | why not \opt{HAVE_BACKLIGHT} ? |
| 23:55:58 | Llorean | n1s: I was just curious what condition your battery's in. |
| 23:56:14 | amiconn | PissedSoap: Does that work? |
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| 23:56:24 | amiconn | Err, pixelma |
| 23:56:24 | pixelma | this one was manually added to the platform files (is not automatically generated) |
| 23:56:32 | n1s | Llorean: ah, anyways it is one hour better than my lat test :) |
| 23:56:53 | n1s | (which was without ata power off and the clock gating stuff) |
| 23:57:34 | Llorean | Ah, well that's good at least. :) |
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