| 00:00:01 | n1s | flashing? |
| 00:00:41 | BigBambi | petur: :) |
| 00:01:08 | pixelma | amiconn: yes, it's used e.g. in the description of the backlight menu in display settings and it's not there in the Ondio manuals |
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| 00:04:15 | * | pixelma writes slightly confusing sentences today... |
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| 00:17:54 | amiconn | petur: Shouldn't "Toggle between colours" depend on a colour display? |
| 00:18:03 | amiconn | Oh, and btw you used the american spelling... |
| 00:18:23 | petur | you're probably right :/ |
| 00:18:40 | * | petur uses whatever spelling comes out of his fingers |
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| 00:31:00 | * | petur hopes he got the tex syntax right... |
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| 00:34:15 | Llorean | JdGordon: Isn't the text editor supposed to load by parts though, and have no maximum file size? |
| 00:34:25 | Llorean | Er, the text viewer rather |
| 00:34:37 | amiconn | The viewer is, the editor is not |
| 00:34:47 | Llorean | The viewer is the one in question here. |
| 00:34:57 | Llorean | So, viewer: no max filesize? |
| 00:34:57 | amiconn | The editor even behaves nasty when trying to edit a too large file: it crashes |
| 00:36:18 | amiconn | correct |
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| 00:36:57 | Llorean | Okay |
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| 00:40:56 | webguest23 | can rockbox be ported to the playstation portable system ? |
| 00:41:10 | amiconn | jhMikeS: ping |
| 00:42:03 | linuxstb | webguest23: Sure |
| 00:42:50 | webguest23 | that good news for me thanks but do you now how it can be done |
| 00:43:20 | webguest23 | rockbox on psp would be great |
| 00:43:31 | Llorean | It's open source. Take the code, and learn programming for PSP, and get to work. :) |
| 00:44:28 | webguest23 | lean programming lol funny but thanks for the help |
| 00:44:34 | webguest23 | learn |
| 00:44:53 | linuxstb | What answer were you expecting? |
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| 00:46:37 | webguest23 | i just want to now if any one else already had done this and if there was a way to put it on with out alot of work . |
| 00:46:54 | scorche|sh | not right now |
| 00:47:03 | linuxstb | No, no-one has done it, and I don't think anyone is working on it. |
| 00:47:27 | webguest23 | ok Thanks you for your time and help |
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| 01:34:50 | jhMikeS | amiconn: pong |
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| 01:38:05 | saratoga | who is good to talk to about compilers/linkers for my EZX project? |
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| 01:52:22 | mama1 | i need help creating tool kit for sansa view... |
| 01:55:21 | saratoga | mama1: the view is an arm CPU, so the standard dev environment should work |
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| 02:02:21 | mama1 | how do i create a usb stub for the sansa view so i can recover it? |
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| 02:06:48 | advcomp2019 | mama1, i had a view that the force format caused the view to be stuck into manufacturing mode.. is that what happened to you? |
| 02:09:20 | mama1 | yeah |
| 02:09:41 | mama1 | i want to reprogram the e200tool so it will work with the view |
| 02:11:13 | advcomp2019 | mama1, good.. i had a hard time getting sandisk to replace my view |
| 02:13:16 | mama1 | i still need the USB stub that will run on the view... i need help |
| 02:17:33 | saratoga | isn't e200tool specific to the Sandisk recovery mode? |
| 02:18:50 | advcomp2019 | saratoga, the e200tool only works part of the way |
| 02:20:06 | saratoga | it works at all? |
| 02:20:58 | advcomp2019 | it will not get past the 6666:e200 |
| 02:21:45 | saratoga | i guess nvidia must have kept some of that code around in the 6000 series |
| 02:22:37 | saratoga | would be nice if they kept the same USB controller too |
| 02:24:48 | saratoga | haha nvidia's new PP chip runs at 750MHz |
| 02:25:13 | scorche|sh | ...seriously? |
| 02:26:16 | advcomp2019 | i heard 250mhz |
| 02:27:59 | saratoga | theres quite a few different chips running at various speeds, but the highend is an arm11 at 750MHz |
| 02:28:12 | saratoga | probably with DSP too |
| 02:28:25 | scorche|sh | saratoga: jees...are they trying to take on geodes? |
| 02:29:23 | * | scorche|sh wonders how it does with power consumption but then realize this is getting a bit offtopic |
| 02:29:48 | saratoga | i'd expect something like this to be considerablely faster for AV stuff then a geode, but it won't run Windows, so its a different market |
| 02:30:04 | advcomp2019 | it says here 250mhz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goforce#GoForce_6100 |
| 02:31:30 | saratoga | that would be the midrange core |
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| 03:31:13 | yeal` | hi |
| 03:31:14 | yeal` | anyone here |
| 03:31:21 | advcomp2019 | yeal`, yea |
| 03:31:28 | yeal` | how do i get album art |
| 03:31:33 | yeal` | i have some albums without it |
| 03:31:38 | yeal` | is there an online database? |
| 03:32:00 | Shaid | google. |
| 03:32:06 | Shaid | this is off-topic, though |
| 03:32:42 | yeal` | why do you say that |
| 03:32:52 | yeal` | don't say that |
| 03:32:53 | yeal` | okay |
| 03:32:54 | yeal` | thanks |
| 03:33:21 | Shaid | if you use google image search and search for the album name you'll probably find a cover image to use for album art. |
| 03:34:44 | yeal` | http://tinyurl.com/6c77d3 |
| 03:35:58 | yeal` | thatjust gives amazon links |
| 03:36:11 | yeal` | sucky |
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| 03:46:43 | Status | ppl..where can i find extra presets for rockbox? |
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| 03:47:07 | JdGordon|uni | in the manual! |
| 03:47:37 | Status | there's no presets in a manual.. |
| 03:47:45 | Status | and the site carries is FM ones |
| 03:47:52 | Status | im saying for the equalizer and stuff |
| 03:48:07 | JdGordon|uni | its not mentioned in the manual? |
| 03:48:21 | Status | probably how to make them.. |
| 03:48:34 | Status | but i can never get them the way i want it ;/ |
| 03:49:06 | JdGordon|uni | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch6.html#x9-1100006.10 at least tells yuo where to find all the ones which are shipped with rockbox |
| 03:49:08 | Status | on my other sansa i got some presets from some website but i cant remember the name |
| 03:50:14 | Status | as i said |
| 03:50:17 | Status | no presets there |
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| 03:52:55 | mama1 | hi bagder, i need help... trying to re write the e200tool so that it will detect the sansa view.. i am currently stumped on creating the usb stub which will run on the view |
| 03:53:36 | JdGordon|uni | its about 3am his local time... |
| 03:54:01 | mama1 | awwwww |
| 03:54:11 | mama1 | tnx will try later ;) |
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| 04:30:57 | saratoga | mama1: I don't think its known how to run code on View, next to nothing is known about the CPU |
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| 05:34:49 | brent113_ | What is happening here: I plug in a wall adapter into my e200 and I hear a faint high pitched noise |
| 05:35:31 | brent113_ | louder music will overpower it so it's not noticeable, but at lower volumes it is quite noticeable. And it goes away as soon as I unplug the power |
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| 05:39:19 | advcomp2019 | where is it at, headphone or the sansa? |
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| 05:48:19 | saratoga | sounds like you have a bad power adapter |
| 05:49:17 | brent113_ | it's at the headphones |
| 05:49:38 | advcomp2019 | i have that with mine but i think it is the old wiring of my house |
| 05:50:06 | brent113_ | the only thing I can think of is it's giving dirty power |
| 05:50:30 | brent113_ | it kind of sounds like a square wave, but in the original sansa firmware it doesn't do that |
| 05:51:31 | advcomp2019 | some of my outlets in my house has ground issues |
| 05:53:03 | Shaid | sansa's are badly shielded |
| 05:53:15 | Shaid | my e280 makes a noise when accessing the flash |
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| 06:01:39 | brent113_ | that's interesting |
| 06:02:03 | brent113_ | the problem I'm having though doesn't exist in the sansa firmware, only rockbox |
| 06:04:06 | Shaid | rockbox may use the charge circuit differently than the OF does. |
| 06:04:14 | Shaid | thus it may cause the noise |
| 06:04:26 | Shaid | I don't have a wall charger here, I can test it tonight at home if you'd like |
| 06:05:40 | Status | brent113_ i had the same prob..but when playing songs... |
| 06:05:58 | brent113_ | had, as in past tense, as in you fixed it? |
| 06:06:01 | Status | i'd change songs and get a high-pitch sound just like piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii really loud |
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| 06:06:15 | Status | i just reset the settings and havent had a prob since |
| 06:06:32 | brent113_ | when it shuts the screen off it changes pitch |
| 06:07:05 | brent113_ | how'd you reset the settings |
| 06:07:10 | brent113_ | like, just choose defaults? |
| 06:07:15 | brent113_ | or like reload the firmware |
| 06:07:47 | Status | to there's an option somewhere in there to reset |
| 06:08:11 | Status | settings > manage settings > reset settings |
| 06:08:21 | brent113_ | yea, didn't fix my prob |
| 06:15:35 | Llorean | brent113_: Rockbox doesn't actually enable charging, so the charging circuitry is certainly going to be acting differently than in the OF. Because of the poor shielding of the device, this probably accounts for the noise |
| 06:16:12 | brent113_ | it most certainly does support charging |
| 06:16:21 | brent113_ | why else would they offer a car adapter mode? |
| 06:16:40 | * | Llorean sighs. |
| 06:16:50 | Llorean | Rockbox does not currently enable the charging hardware. |
| 06:17:02 | Llorean | Car adapter mode is based on adapter detection, which is separate. |
| 06:17:09 | Llorean | Also, charging is *intended* but not functional yet. |
| 06:17:36 | brent113_ | can you elaborate on the car adapter part then? |
| 06:17:38 | Llorean | This means the charging circuitry is working in its default state. Some people have reported that this results in their players charging, while others don't. We do know that for full speed charging it will need to be configured. |
| 06:17:51 | Llorean | brent113_: All it does is turn off your player when a charger is disconnected. |
| 06:18:16 | Llorean | Detecting the presence of the charger is separate from actually charging the battery. |
| 06:18:39 | brent113_ | I guess I was wrong to assume they would write them both simultaneously |
| 06:19:34 | Llorean | So you think we should've just left out car adapter mode until someone found out how to properly configure the charging hardware? |
| 06:19:37 | brent113_ | So do you know what the multiple states of the charging hardware are? Or is there documentation on this somewhere? |
| 06:20:07 | Llorean | As it's a development build, I don't really see the point of leaving out features as they get finished, but you're free to wait until a release comes around. |
| 06:20:43 | brent113_ | :) I <3 rockbox too much to wait |
| 06:21:26 | brent113_ | And the fact that the sansa firmware is pretty much useless, it doesn't support id3 tags above version 2.0 |
| 06:21:32 | brent113_ | which is the original reason I switched |
| 06:22:15 | Llorean | For more information, see http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8363 |
| 06:22:33 | brent113_ | Llorean, thank you for your knowledge |
| 06:23:39 | brent113_ | Ah, I see, it's a variable charge hardware setup, this is interesting |
| 06:24:45 | Shaid | similar to how the iPod works |
| 06:25:04 | brent113_ | I've never considered these devices could vary their charge speed |
| 06:25:15 | Shaid | I enjoy charging my 5.5g via a firewire wall charger. It's turbo mode. ;) |
| 06:25:33 | brent113_ | It seems you would always want the fastest charge possible |
| 06:25:44 | Llorean | not necessarily |
| 06:25:54 | Shaid | depends, fast charging can have side effects on battery life/durability/etc |
| 06:25:57 | Llorean | That's the most stress on the battery. |
| 06:26:12 | Llorean | If you can afford slow charges, such as while sleeping, they may be better for the health of your battery. |
| 06:26:32 | Shaid | and considering they're usually lithium ion cells, and lithium ion is, chemically, rather an unstable mix, you don't want 'bad things' to happen |
| 06:26:50 | Llorean | Shaid: The battery itself has a circuit that should prevent such "bad things" |
| 06:26:59 | Shaid | tell that to Apple and Dell. |
| 06:28:21 | brent113_ | This really is all a shame, why would Sandisk go out of their way to make sure there will be a rock box port for their products but not provide development support |
| 06:28:50 | Llorean | brent113_: They didn't really go out of their way. |
| 06:29:13 | Llorean | They provided us with a hardware sample or two, but that's really it. |
| 06:29:29 | Shaid | and then changed all the hardware in the V2s just to spite rockbox. |
| 06:29:58 | Llorean | Or possibly simply because it was cheaper... |
| 06:30:09 | brent113_ | Llorean, so currently it's set at 50mA and 3.9 volts |
| 06:30:14 | brent113_ | correct? |
| 06:30:46 | Llorean | brent113_: According to the patch, yes. I'm fairly certain he knows the relevant code better than I do. |
| 06:30:53 | Llorean | Well, and relevant hardware specs. |
| 06:31:36 | brent113_ | So do you think this patch would possibly affect the noise the charger is producing? |
| 06:31:54 | brent113_ | Or is it likely there is another hardware setting that is affecting it |
| 06:31:56 | Llorean | It depends on why the noise occurs. |
| 06:32:13 | Llorean | Since I don't know, I can only hazard the guess that it might. |
| 06:33:06 | brent113_ | How do I install the patch so I might try? |
| 06:33:23 | Llorean | See the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page. You'll have to compile a custom build. |
| 06:33:54 | brent113_ | Can you compile just that module? |
| 06:34:24 | Llorean | No. |
| 06:37:11 | brent113_ | What would you suggest for charge values? Are the defaults in the module sufficient or should I lower them to be conservative |
| 06:37:19 | brent113_ | in the patch* |
| 06:38:23 | Llorean | If you read through the comments, I believe the last version of the patch at the bottom is set to use the same values the original firmware does. |
| 06:39:20 | brent113_ | In what state however |
| 06:39:50 | brent113_ | If the OF changes states, will it allow it to charge faster, or will it limit the charging, meaning that this patch could be too high some times |
| 06:40:36 | Llorean | Well, if you're afraid it's wrong you'll have to do your own research to pick values, I suppose. I certainly haven't done any on that player. |
| 06:42:22 | brent113_ | So a question on the patches. The first one listed has different values than others down the page |
| 06:42:32 | brent113_ | Do I need to apply these patches sequentially? |
| 06:42:37 | Llorean | No, just the final one. |
| 06:43:43 | brent113_ | So the final patch is this one: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8363#comment23245 |
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| 06:44:36 | Llorean | At the moment, yes. |
| 06:47:33 | brent113_ | So patching goes after the compilation? |
| 06:48:18 | Llorean | No, before. |
| 06:48:22 | Llorean | You patch the source files. |
| 06:48:33 | brent113_ | Haha, I should know that :P |
| 06:48:39 | brent113_ | Thanks |
| 06:57:22 | brent113_ | Llorean, are you familiar with an 'arm-elf-gcc' missing error? |
| 06:57:45 | Llorean | brent113_: It suggests to me that you haven't properly installed the cross-compiler necessary. |
| 06:57:53 | brent113_ | This is true |
| 06:58:30 | brent113_ | mmk, it looks like I need to run the .sh file provided |
| 06:58:58 | Llorean | That's the easiest and most reliable way in many cases, unless you're using cygwin (seems unlikely from the sound of it) |
| 06:59:43 | brent113_ | I'm using gcc in Ubuntu |
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| 07:00:25 | Llorean | Then you'll need to install the cross-compilers with the .sh script. |
| 07:00:37 | brent113_ | It worked, cool, now compiling |
| 07:01:06 | brent113_ | I took a cs261 data structures in c class, but that's the extent of c programming I've done, I'm still very fresh at these things |
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| 07:07:51 | brent113_ | So far everything is compiling perfectly, thanks again for all of your help Llorean |
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| 07:22:52 | brent113_ | Llorean, thank you so much, that fixed the high pitched frequency problem |
| 07:23:07 | Llorean | I'm glad. |
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| 07:24:14 | brent113_ | You have no idea how much you've helped me. This weekend I am looking forward to 12 hours on the road, and I was not looking forward to listening to the whine the entire time |
| 07:25:21 | Llorean | You could've always unplugged it. :-P |
| 07:26:06 | brent113_ | :D true, but what if it ran out of battery? I'd have a few seconds without music, and that's just a tragedy |
| 07:27:48 | * | amiconn is still puzzled by the dropout problem at spinup on mini G2, but found 2 possible small optimisations in ata.c while researching |
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| 07:53:52 | LinusN | hmmm, i see a small caveat in those wait_for_xxx() functions; the last_disk_activity time stamp might not be updated if the disk is fast (likely not a problem in reality, but anyway) |
| 07:56:04 | amiconn | This problem isn't new though |
| 07:56:17 | LinusN | no, the old code had the same issue |
| 07:56:35 | amiconn | yup, that's why I kept it that way |
| 07:56:48 | LinusN | i guess i only thought it would matter when we yield |
| 07:57:17 | amiconn | There's a ton of places where this variable is updated, but if we have a long wait, it becomes important - and then it is updated |
| 07:57:28 | LinusN | exactly |
| 07:57:59 | LinusN | it's probably not an issue in real life |
| 07:58:14 | LinusN | but it looks like it could use some cleaning up |
| 07:58:14 | amiconn | The new loops can easily be rearranged to always update it btw - just move the update before the check. I don't think that's necessary though |
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| 07:59:56 | amiconn | If you're thinking of using bool return values in those wait_for_* functions - I tried that. Code becomes a _tiny_ bit larger (only on coldfire and arm) |
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| 08:01:06 | amiconn | And since it would also have been a somewhat bigger change, I decided not to commit that version |
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| 08:15:22 | amiconn | There's one change that probably should be done though: wait_for_bsy() should be renamed to wait_for_not_bsy(), 'cause that's what it does. |
| 08:15:56 | GodEater | or wait_for_idle() ? |
| 08:16:00 | GodEater | which is slightly less clumsy ? |
| 08:16:32 | GodEater | unless bsy doesn't mean "busy" in which case you may ignore that |
| 08:17:21 | amiconn | The status bit it checks is called BSY in the ata standard |
| 08:17:36 | GodEater | ah yes of course |
| 08:17:44 | GodEater | in which case yes, your name is better |
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| 08:27:56 | LinusN | i agree about renaming it |
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| 09:54:03 | mrkiko | Ok guys - rockbox crashes less |
| 09:54:08 | mrkiko | but it crashes even with no voice |
| 09:54:46 | mrkiko | so - on my two H300 rockbox freezes frequently enough. Is someone using intensively rockbox on this platform? |
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| 10:04:53 | petur | I use my h300 daily, but without voice |
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| 10:10:06 | Nick_ | So, I managed to get my hands on a sansa c250, however it had been wiped via a dd if=/dev/zero to the entire device. Sandisk's recovery tool doesn't do much of anything, but the device is recognized as in recovery mode via lsusb and is picked up in windows as a tango media platform. |
| 10:10:28 | Nick_ | Anyone know if there's a way to reflash the device? |
| 10:10:53 | jhMikeS | amiconn: pong again |
| 10:11:34 | Mouser_X | Nick: Check the wiki. |
| 10:11:42 | B4gder | Nick_: you need a magic flash partition restoration tool |
| 10:12:01 | B4gder | gevaerts has one... |
| 10:12:02 | jhMikeS | hmmm...the build failed to get picked up for r17409 :\ |
| 10:12:02 | Mouser_X | Try searching "Sansa unbrick" or "Sansa Recovery" |
| 10:12:36 | B4gder | do we have this c200 mess described? |
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| 10:12:55 | Mouser_X | For the c200? Actually, maybe not. |
| 10:13:05 | * | Mouser_X hasn't actually looked himself. |
| 10:13:18 | B4gder | the c200 is more fragile than the e200 on this |
| 10:13:35 | Mouser_X | Yes, I suppose so, after seeing yesterday's log. |
| 10:13:39 | Nick_ | B4gder: Thanks, checking into it now. |
| 10:13:44 | Mouser_X | (Or whenever that was.) |
| 10:14:32 | B4gder | Nick_: you can check yesterday's irc log for how someone else restored his c200 using that tool |
| 10:16:42 | Mouser_X | Not a bad idea, but it might be a bit of a read. |
| 10:16:54 | Mouser_X | Sounds like the c200 can really get messed up. |
| 10:17:12 | Mouser_X | (c200 series) |
| 10:17:14 | B4gder | yes, it seems the bootloader reads the partition info |
| 10:17:23 | B4gder | and goes nuts if that is wrong |
| 10:17:51 | * | Mouser_X has 2 e250s. |
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| 10:18:02 | Mouser_X | (I only use 1. I ought to sell the other.) |
| 10:18:02 | Nick_ | Thanks B4gder, I'll read over the logs |
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| 10:43:47 | amiconn | jhMikeS: 'twas false alarm... |
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| 10:54:41 | Nick_ | Well, attempted to program the i2c, and it will no longer show up on lsusb, so I get the feeling this is permanently bricked |
| 10:55:48 | Nick_ | Was obtained via a woot bag of crap, so can't exactly hold high expectations |
| 10:56:56 | gevaerts | Did you try lsusb as root ? |
| 10:57:32 | Nick_ | Heh, yeah, it's dead in the water |
| 10:58:15 | * | gevaerts wouldn't have touched the i2c |
| 10:58:49 | Nick_ | Was throwing protocol errors when attempting to flash the bootloader, I'm pretty sure this thing had some bad flash |
| 10:59:48 | gevaerts | Maybe. The c200 OF also gives protocol errors if the partition table or file system is messed up |
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| 11:01:22 | gevaerts | Anyway, if you don't manage to fix the i2c rom, all this is somewhat academic I guess |
| 11:04:29 | Nick_ | Not much can be done at my level without any comm on the usb, not about to resolder the flash on something that ran $1 |
| 11:13:07 | LinusN | amiconn: it looks like people still have problems with the remote lcd |
| 11:13:39 | amiconn | I know |
| 11:13:46 | LinusN | good |
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| 11:18:47 | Nick_ | gevaerts: Kind of odd it won't go into pre-bootloader mode even if the i2c is corrupted |
| 11:19:09 | gevaerts | Nick_: I guess it needs i2c for that |
| 11:19:46 | Nick_ | Reading up on the docs it says a fully corrupt i2c rom will kick it into prebootloader mode |
| 11:20:27 | * | gevaerts points to other people. He only has experience with c200s with working i2c |
| 11:20:30 | Nick_ | Might have to dig into this thing out of sheer curiosity |
| 11:21:01 | B4gder | most of that i2c magic stuff were worked out on the e200 I think |
| 11:21:13 | B4gder | so there's a chance the c200 series work a bit different |
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| 11:21:31 | gevaerts | If you manage to fix the i2c, the nand problams are most probably fixable |
| 11:21:33 | Nick_ | Ah, that certainly could be it |
| 11:24:06 | n1s | jhMikeS: nice to have ata poweroff :) i did a battery bench with my hacky approach to it yesterday in addition to disabling clocks to a bunch of unused imx31 modules and got ~1 hour improvement |
| 11:25:05 | jhMikeS | n1s: There's also a bus switch turn off for the drive included here (to isolate pins) |
| 11:25:12 | n1s | do you have your beast hooked up to a multimeter? |
| 11:25:58 | jhMikeS | I could. It's not quite as simple as doing it on the F but that's how I checked the voltage readout. |
| 11:26:38 | n1s | much faster way to check is turning off the clocks to the unused modules save anything though |
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| 11:27:58 | n1s | jhMikeS: do I need to care about the states of modules that we never use before gating the clocks? |
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| 11:29:15 | stonekeeper | Hi. I'm trying to reset my 5gen video ipod back to default firmware to start from scratch. Managed to uninstall rockbox but the default firmware takes ages to load now. Is there a way i can fix this without installing itunes in vmware? cheers. |
| 11:29:36 | jhMikeS | n1s: yes, they must be disabled (using whatever bit does that in each module). Even the i2s and SPI modules should be included in advance and will be enabled by the first user. |
| 11:29:56 | gevaerts | stonekeeper: have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore |
| 11:30:08 | GodEater | stonekeeper: the default firmware ALWAYS took ages to load - but it should only need to load once, and subsequently "powering off" only put the ipod to sleep, which is fast to resume from |
| 11:30:12 | jhMikeS | s/i2s/i2c |
| 11:30:33 | stonekeeper | ok thanks |
| 11:30:43 | jhMikeS | I'm sure it'll save something. RetailOS is good about doing that. I think the biggest savings will come from DVFS. It's alarming to have > 1A of power supply capacity for powerin the core :) |
| 11:31:11 | n1s | jhMikeS: ok, I will dig through the datasheet and disable what I can :) |
| 11:32:04 | n1s | yeah, the pmic even has capability of dual 1A supplies coupling the buck switchers IIUC |
| 11:34:16 | n1s | jhMikeS: should we only enable i2c/spi when they are about to be used and then disable them again? |
| 11:35:54 | jhMikeS | system_init should just unclock stuff and the drivers handle that already. |
| 11:37:10 | jhMikeS | that should all be done before the other device init calls there |
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| 11:42:09 | n1s | jhMikeS: btw what do you think about displaying battery voltage and shutting off backlight in the bootloader? |
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| 11:43:58 | n1s | jhMikeS: my last bechmark wasn't that well carried out... i had made a mistake so rockbox froze on the first rebuffer so i had to reset and extract a new build :) |
| 11:44:07 | n1s | still 1h improvement though |
| 11:44:26 | jhMikeS | I think the bl should do that actually |
| 11:45:14 | n1s | i actually meant shutting off the backlight in usb mode in the bootloader |
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| 11:47:26 | jhMikeS | of course, though if that is done we need to read buttons (though a simple check of the keydown status is needed and not a full button decode) |
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| 11:51:33 | jhMikeS | I wouldn't bother with starting the backlight stuff if USB isn't connected |
| 11:52:19 | n1s | the backlight is already on when we start the bootloader though |
| 11:54:11 | jhMikeS | I thought you wanted it to go on and off when USB is connected |
| 11:55:19 | n1s | yeah, ah i think i misunderstood you, "starting the backlight stuff" == caring about backlight state? |
| 11:56:09 | jhMikeS | No reason to care normally |
| 11:56:32 | n1s | ok, then we mean the same thing, yes that's what i want to do |
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| 12:04:00 | stonekeeper | gevaerts: heh, I'm getting that "argsize must be less than 6" error from mtools some people speak about, bt nobody can fix |
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| 12:08:34 | linuxstb | stonekeeper: I believe you need to use "-n" instead of "-s" |
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| 12:13:03 | stonekeeper | linuxstb: yeah, i thought that until i realised i was not specifying sectors |
| 12:15:23 | * | jhMikeS wonder why people post test_disk result that were obtained with dircache enabled |
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| 12:51:48 | orc | hi, I need help |
| 12:52:21 | orc | when I can download datasheet on iPod nano 1 gen? |
| 12:52:31 | orc | sorry my English |
| 12:52:50 | Mouser_X | I'm not aware of one existing. |
| 12:52:58 | Mouser_X | Chances are that you'd have to read the code. |
| 12:53:06 | Mouser_X | (The Rockbox C code, that is.) |
| 12:53:23 | Mouser_X | (That's where most of Rockbox's hardware documentation is, I hear.) |
| 12:53:36 | orc | I have hardware problem |
| 12:54:06 | orc | I think USB-function on ARM-chip is destroyed |
| 12:54:38 | Mouser_X | In what way? |
| 12:54:56 | orc | sorry, I understnd |
| 12:55:11 | Mouser_X | As in, how? To my knowledge, Rockbox doesn't have USB mode stuff enabled for iPods yet. |
| 12:55:34 | Mouser_X | (Thus, if anything isn't working, then I'd think it was something done by the user.) |
| 12:56:22 | orc | iPod don't active in disc mode |
| 12:56:45 | Status | i wonder when the hell a joystick or something is gonna be made for sansa so ppl can just plug a controller and play doom on it without having to use sansa's buttons :D |
| 12:56:58 | gevaerts | orc: Are you sure that your cable is good ? |
| 12:57:04 | orc | Yes |
| 12:57:36 | orc | cable 100% good |
| 12:57:40 | jhMikeS | hmmm...rolo needs to be fixed up for devices that don't use IRAM since we'll copying the new image over the current one |
| 12:57:54 | Mouser_X | orc: That doesn't tell me much. Are you saying when you plug a USB cable into your iPod, that it doesn't go into USB mode (meaning, it'd have to reboot, and start the disc mode)? |
| 12:58:16 | orc | no |
| 12:58:38 | orc | aaaa |
| 12:58:41 | gevaerts | How do you know the cable is good ? Does it work on another ipod ? |
| 12:58:56 | orc | I ring him |
| 12:58:58 | stonekeeper | thanks guys |
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| 12:59:10 | Mouser_X | Status: First off, someone needs to write drivers for that. Meaning, drivers for the serial port of the Sansa. |
| 12:59:50 | orc | have to reboot, and start the disc mode - don't. I did it |
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| 13:02:13 | orc | I think I need change controller |
| 13:02:23 | orc | ( |
| 13:02:53 | orc | really buy it? |
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| 13:05:09 | Status | just asking...cose it'd be damn cool to play games on an mp3-player |
| 13:05:37 | orc | or buy new player( |
| 13:06:11 | Mouser_X | Status: iPodlinux has drivers for the serial port. I've seen someone use a NES controller to play DOOM. However, that's off-topic. |
| 13:06:25 | Status | ;] |
| 13:06:26 | Mouser_X | (This is Rockbox, not iPodlinux.) |
| 13:06:52 | Status | well...we're talking features ;] |
| 13:07:05 | orc | 3 firmware on player isn't good |
| 13:07:22 | Status | orc huh¿ |
| 13:07:30 | n1s | jhMikeS: why don't we use iram for rolo like the gigabeat f does? |
| 13:07:32 | * | Mouser_X has no iPod, and thus doesn't care about features/accessories pertaining to it. |
| 13:07:52 | Status | i dont have an ipod either ;] |
| 13:08:02 | orc | what mind huh? |
| 13:08:08 | orc | "huh" |
| 13:08:26 | Status | orc mind = means? |
| 13:08:40 | Status | means u're kinda hard to understand ;] |
| 13:08:40 | orc | yes |
| 13:11:08 | orc | 3 firmware don't usability |
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| 13:11:53 | Mouser_X | orc: I'm having a difficult time understanding you. "3 firmware don't usability" means nothing useful to me... Sorry. |
| 13:12:45 | Status | that was awkward hehe ;] |
| 13:13:13 | Status | must be hard when u know what u wanna say but dont know how to ;/ |
| 13:17:37 | jhMikeS | n1s: since when does it? |
| 13:17:50 | jhMikeS | I'm going to for S and copy the firmware from that |
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| 13:18:18 | newbie8787 | hello everyone |
| 13:18:52 | * | GodEater laments his lack of dev environment at work once more |
| 13:19:07 | newbie8787 | i was wondering if we will get a port of rockbox for the 2nd gen nano? |
| 13:19:12 | n1s | jhMikeS: I'm fairly sure it does, rolo_restart() uses the section attribute explicitly and when I tried to change that someone yelled at me ;) |
| 13:19:22 | GodEater | newbie8787: only if someone starts one |
| 13:19:23 | Mouser_X | newbie8787: Only if someone works on it. |
| 13:19:30 | * | GodEater high fives Mouser_X |
| 13:19:35 | Mouser_X | :( beat by GodEater. |
| 13:19:40 | Mouser_X | Thanks. |
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| 13:19:44 | n1s | ...tried to change that to ICODE_ATTR (which is defined to be empty for gigabeat f) |
| 13:19:50 | newbie8787 | :P wish i could ! but i just heard abt this and so i came looking |
| 13:20:05 | newbie8787 | and lo i see that my nano is not supported :( |
| 13:20:15 | Mouser_X | newbie8787: One of the biggest hurdles is that the firmware is encrypted. |
| 13:20:24 | Mouser_X | If you could decrypt that, that'd be a start. |
| 13:20:28 | GodEater | newbie8787: read here : http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6518.0 |
| 13:20:46 | newbie8787 | ok |
| 13:21:14 | newbie8787 | is there any starting point to learning how to do so ? |
| 13:21:20 | * | Mouser_X concedes to GodEater's superiority. |
| 13:21:26 | * | Mouser_X never checks the forums. |
| 13:21:30 | jhMikeS | I'm just going to write a small stub in assembly that's similar to the remap technique in the bootloader |
| 13:21:49 | GodEater | newbie8787: read up on cryptanalysis |
| 13:22:05 | Mouser_X | newbie8787: And pray. |
| 13:22:05 | newbie8787 | okk |
| 13:22:13 | GodEater | Mouser_X: not superior, I just remember updating that thread the other day ;) |
| 13:22:19 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 13:22:20 | Status | apple doesnt provide hardware? |
| 13:22:32 | GodEater | Status: provide it to whom ? |
| 13:22:40 | Mouser_X | Status: Sure they do. If you pay them. |
| 13:22:43 | Status | rockbox's devs? |
| 13:22:48 | GodEater | hell no |
| 13:22:53 | GodEater | why would they ? |
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| 13:23:06 | Mouser_X | Indeed @ GodEater. |
| 13:23:20 | Status | cose lots of ppl like rockbox...and having the option to use whatever = more people buying their stuff ;] |
| 13:23:26 | Mouser_X | (Like I said though, if you pay them, they'll be more than happy to provide.) |
| 13:23:50 | Mouser_X | Status: Please avoid abbreviation. |
| 13:23:51 | GodEater | Status: we work on the theory that Rockbox = Support nightmare for apple |
| 13:23:55 | Mouser_X | +s |
| 13:24:41 | GodEater | they have no control over the rockbox code base, and therefore cannot guarantee to their customers that it will not hose their precious ipod. Therefore they are not fans of Rockbox. |
| 13:24:45 | Status | they could just say they dont support it from their side and about it like sansa... |
| 13:24:53 | Status | provide hardware but not support ;] |
| 13:24:59 | GodEater | they could, but they don't |
| 13:25:28 | Status | cheap a**** ;] |
| 13:25:35 | GodEater | on current ipods it's pretty easy to remove all trace of Rockbox and return it to apple when you hit a problem. |
| 13:25:53 | GodEater | Therefore apple don't know if the ipod broke because of Rockbox, or because of some other reason |
| 13:26:09 | Mouser_X | ^ My suggestion in this instance involves a sledgehammer. |
| 13:26:13 | GodEater | this may or may not be the reason behind their locking down of the platform, but it's the only plausible reason we've come up with |
| 13:26:31 | Status | could also be for losing $$ on itunes ;] |
| 13:26:35 | Mouser_X | (And vigor and gusto.) |
| 13:26:44 | GodEater | there's no reason they would lose out on iTunes |
| 13:26:56 | GodEater | all iTunes plus tracks are perfectly playbable in Rockbox |
| 13:27:05 | GodEater | so people can still obtain their music there |
| 13:27:07 | Status | yeah..but u have to pay for them no? |
| 13:27:17 | B4gder | especially these days of companies going DRM free anyway |
| 13:27:28 | Mouser_X | Yay @ DRM free! |
| 13:27:46 | GodEater | Status: I'm not sure what you think Rockbox has to do with paying / not paying for music |
| 13:27:58 | B4gder | Status: we pay for music |
| 13:28:09 | Status | B4gder most people dont ;] |
| 13:28:18 | desowin | you order cd, rip it, encode whatever format you like, and put it on dap |
| 13:28:20 | GodEater | I strongly disagree with that statement |
| 13:28:20 | B4gder | I don't think that statement is true |
| 13:28:51 | Status | i for one dont..and if i do is by buying mixed cds ;] |
| 13:28:56 | * | Mouser_X gets his music from games (yes, with the right tools, you can get the music out of the video games themselves). |
| 13:29:03 | Status | i'd never buy a cd because of 2 songs |
| 13:29:30 | B4gder | we do not endorse piracy |
| 13:29:33 | * | Mouser_X owns 10 actual audio CDs. |
| 13:29:43 | * | GodEater owns hundreds of cds |
| 13:29:54 | Mouser_X | (The vast majority of my music comes from video games.) |
| 13:30:00 | Status | B4gder yeah...but its a fact ;] |
| 13:30:10 | * | desowin owns not much cds, just 43 albums |
| 13:30:17 | Status | so apple would lose $$ from the people using rockbox |
| 13:30:22 | Mouser_X | Status: It is very unwise to carry your current conversation here. |
| 13:30:22 | desowin | (few of them are digipacks and limited editions) |
| 13:30:38 | GodEater | Status: again I don't follow your logic there |
| 13:30:54 | B4gder | Status: no they won't |
| 13:31:10 | GodEater | whilst we do not endorse it, there's nothing stopping you using pirated music on an ipod without Rockbox on it |
| 13:31:33 | n1s | Status: nothing prevents people from playing prated music in the apple firmware |
| 13:31:36 | GodEater | so that argument is specious |
| 13:31:45 | desowin | oh, I also bought some tunes online, yeah, it's a bit more of what music I paid for |
| 13:31:56 | desowin | also, there's good music on jamendo too |
| 13:32:28 | Status | desowin there's websites for fixed prices a month ;] |
| 13:32:42 | Status | im thinking of getting on one of those ;] |
| 13:33:56 | Status | replacing *all* my songs with downloaded ones from there since i saw someone that was raided..had a few thousands of songs all from his cds...and 20 something downloaded...he still got sued for those 20 something songs |
| 13:34:04 | Status | these people are money-hungry ;/ |
| 13:35:11 | desowin | also, you can listen to internet radios, like munichshardesthits |
| 13:35:26 | desowin | also, I think it's offtopic here |
| 13:35:45 | desowin | and if it should be continued, then #rockbox-community is the correct place |
| 13:36:20 | preglow | indeed |
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| 13:37:08 | * | preglow doesn't mind paying for good music |
| 13:37:21 | Status | loll ;] |
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| 13:38:51 | Status | 1 simple question...would you buy an album for 1 song? because that song is like stuck on your head or because its #1? |
| 13:39:01 | preglow | nope |
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| 13:39:10 | GodEater | I would |
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| 13:39:14 | GodEater | and have done frequently |
| 13:39:23 | preglow | i have as well, and i always regret it afterwards |
| 13:39:23 | preglow | heh |
| 13:39:32 | preglow | tehre are more than enough albums that are all good out there |
| 13:39:39 | GodEater | I tend not to - if I like one song on an album, there's a good chance I'll like others |
| 13:40:13 | preglow | but yeah, i tend to listen to albums more than single tracks, so i tend to just ignore an album if it's just got a couple of good tracks |
| 13:40:17 | preglow | anyway, off-topic |
| 13:40:34 | GodEater | very much so, here endeth the conversation |
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| 13:43:02 | MauS | Hello everyone ^_^ |
| 13:43:13 | markun | hi MauS |
| 13:43:16 | petur | piep |
| 13:43:23 | MauS | Hey amiconn! I've got my ground contact fixed in an easy way ^_^ |
| 13:44:27 | MauS | That was a conector between two pcbs inside the M3 that was causing bad contact. |
| 13:45:45 | MauS | So i just put a 1mm thick piece of eraser between the pcb and the cover. It still loses contact when pushing the connector with a thumb, but it won't lose contact while carrying it ^_^ |
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| 14:09:28 | Nico_P | wow, almost fully green build table :) |
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| 14:15:32 | * | jhMikeS doesn't want to spoil that with current build since it will be all green otherwise |
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| 14:15:58 | jhMikeS | bah, there's a red "4" sneaked in there |
| 14:16:04 | GodEater | jhMikeS: any idea how far we are from audio on the beast ? |
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| 14:16:17 | jhMikeS | GodEater: about -1 week :) |
| 14:16:21 | Nico_P | hehe :) |
| 14:16:25 | GodEater | I missed it ? :) |
| 14:16:30 | Mouser_X | Apparently. |
| 14:16:56 | * | GodEater scolds himself a lot |
| 14:17:26 | * | gevaerts blames jhMikeS. He didn't send out the traditional mail |
| 14:17:47 | GodEater | yeah - I just checked the mailling lists |
| 14:17:49 | * | jhMikeS never was good at tradition (just ask around the holday's :) |
| 14:17:52 | GodEater | there's no "Ladies and Gentlemen" |
| 14:18:08 | B4gder | what!! |
| 14:18:17 | GodEater | someone needs to send one! |
| 14:18:18 | * | jhMikeS suggest "Ladies and Gentlemen - we've had sound!!!" |
| 14:18:26 | GodEater | even if they make up the "first track" bit |
| 14:18:29 | B4gder | maaailll!! |
| 14:18:41 | * | petur wonders what song it was |
| 14:18:57 | jhMikeS | which mailing list? user? |
| 14:18:58 | LinusN | mmmaaaaaaiiiiilllll!!!!!! |
| 14:19:02 | GodEater | yeah ser |
| 14:19:05 | GodEater | er |
| 14:19:05 | GodEater | user |
| 14:19:06 | jhMikeS | okie |
| 14:19:20 | Nico_P | both ! |
| 14:19:25 | GodEater | if audio is working, how come there's no S build in the current build table then ? |
| 14:19:26 | * | gevaerts supposes that lots of those mails contain lies. The first sound must have been noise quite often |
| 14:19:42 | Nico_P | GodEater: it still needs some polish |
| 14:19:56 | GodEater | Nico_P: which build of Rockbox doesn't ? :) |
| 14:19:59 | Mouser_X | GodEater: I've heard it's because there's no good way to install Rockbox from Windows. |
| 14:19:59 | Nico_P | also the install is hard |
| 14:20:02 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: to an extent I can't begin to describe :) |
| 14:20:07 | Mouser_X | (Or is the lack of a manual?) |
| 14:20:27 | * | GodEater doesn't think the install is "hard", it's just not straight forward :) |
| 14:20:44 | Mouser_X | It's a serious pain for Windows users... |
| 14:20:46 | Nico_P | on windows, it's really a PITA from what I've heard |
| 14:20:48 | Mouser_X | Very very nasty. |
| 14:20:55 | n1s | yeah, 1) install linux, 2) use sendfirm :) |
| 14:21:01 | GodEater | Nico_P: I did my first install from windows |
| 14:21:03 | * | Nico_P has access to windows machines for a few days |
| 14:21:15 | gevaerts | Actually, from reading those mails, the reported first sound often looks to me as quite likely to be noise :) |
| 14:21:17 | GodEater | although sendfirm *is* much easier |
| 14:21:37 | GodEater | are we still sending the rockbox build as a .tar file too ? |
| 14:21:43 | n1s | jhMikeS: is it a Bad Idea (tm) to enable/disable clock for the KPP in the interrupt handler? |
| 14:22:04 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: does r17414 fix RoLo? |
| 14:22:09 | Mouser_X | GodEater: Now that the bootloader has a UMS mode built in, there's no need. |
| 14:22:10 | n1s | GodEater: nope we have proper UMS |
| 14:22:15 | GodEater | sweet |
| 14:22:20 | Mouser_X | The code is still present, just in case though. |
| 14:22:22 | n1s | indeed :) |
| 14:22:28 | Mouser_X | (At least, I think it is.) |
| 14:22:32 | GodEater | dammit - why did I have to leave my S at home today!! |
| 14:22:35 | n1s | Mouser_X: correct |
| 14:22:49 | Nico_P | GodEater: you have to see the buffering speed too :) |
| 14:23:00 | GodEater | Nico_P: it's good / bad ? |
| 14:23:07 | Mouser_X | Good, IIRC. |
| 14:23:07 | Nico_P | impressively good |
| 14:23:10 | GodEater | B4gder: any news on the source tarball at all ? |
| 14:23:36 | * | n1s tries |
| 14:23:38 | B4gder | ah, no I've managed to just neglect that |
| 14:23:43 | GodEater | hehe |
| 14:23:54 | * | GodEater awards B4gder a special "I've forgotten about it on purpose" badge |
| 14:24:16 | * | B4gder looks at the nice patterns in the ceiling and whistles |
| 14:24:42 | Mouser_X | I've heard "Gullible" is written up there. |
| 14:24:42 | * | GodEater wonders if B4gder is wearing a "go away or I shall replace you with a very small shell script" T-shirt today |
| 14:25:09 | GodEater | Mouser_X: that's where it went after they removed it from the dictionary ? |
| 14:25:30 | Mouser_X | If I spelled it correctly (I did?!) then possibly. |
| 14:26:50 | B4gder | GodEater: no, people know that without me having to announce it! ;-P |
| 14:27:12 | GodEater | B4gder: a deal then. You either fix the source tarball so I can build it myself - or you include the S in the current builds ? |
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| 14:27:30 | B4gder | you can already get the S builds |
| 14:27:38 | B4gder | hang on |
| 14:28:05 | GodEater | I'd need the bootloader too |
| 14:28:11 | B4gder | http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-gigabeats/rockbox.zip |
| 14:28:13 | B4gder | ah |
| 14:28:17 | BigBambi | GodEater: I can build you one if you like |
| 14:28:36 | n1s | jhMikeS: ignore me, that wouldn't work |
| 14:28:37 | Mouser_X | BigBambi: I'd like one too, while you're at it... |
| 14:28:44 | GodEater | BigBambi: that would be lovely ;) |
| 14:28:53 | BigBambi | dual boot I assume (charging is handy...) |
| 14:28:58 | B4gder | I should still fix the source of course |
| 14:28:59 | GodEater | yes please |
| 14:29:04 | Mouser_X | Same. |
| 14:29:05 | GodEater | B4gder: ideally yes ;) |
| 14:29:32 | GodEater | brb |
| 14:32:28 | Mouser_X | If the 'beast build is giong to be downloadable, perhaps the front paage should be changeed to reflect that the S is supported now? |
| 14:32:39 | Mouser_X | Or is it not quite ready for that? |
| 14:32:51 | Mouser_X | (I'm guessing it's not quite ready.) |
| 14:33:18 | B4gder | the install method needs to be polished, afaiu |
| 14:33:23 | jhMikeS | n1s: what wouldn't work? I was sending a mail. |
| 14:33:29 | Mouser_X | Ah. Indeed it does. |
| 14:33:31 | BigBambi | I don't think it is ready for that |
| 14:33:41 | DerPapst | while adding a new comment with patch to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8934 flyspray yelled at me http://pastebin.ca/1011643 |
| 14:33:46 | Mouser_X | (Installing on Windows sucks. I gave up, and had to use Linux.) |
| 14:33:49 | n1s | jhMikeS: nvm, my brain is apparently not working today :) |
| 14:33:51 | BigBambi | Install (at least from Windows) is a bit of a nightmare |
| 14:34:19 | GodEater | I would guess if we've not smoothed out the install from windows it's not a good idea |
| 14:34:19 | GodEater | otherwise we'll be flooded with "how do I?" or "I've bricked my" support requests |
| 14:34:43 | BigBambi | GodEater, Mouser_X: http://aeparker.com/files/nk.zip I'm just about to test it, but it should be fine |
| 14:34:44 | Mouser_X | GodEater: The 'beast is rather resiliant. |
| 14:35:06 | Mouser_X | It's difficult to completely brick it. |
| 14:35:32 | GodEater | Mouser_X: yes, but it might *appear* bricked to our technically challenged user base |
| 14:35:33 | Mouser_X | (Though, it's fairly easy to make it want to format the drive and request new firmware.) |
| 14:35:40 | * | BigBambi points Mouser_X at LambdaCalculus |
| 14:35:51 | BigBambi | Although that was nothing to do with Rockbox :) |
| 14:35:58 | GodEater | so many of them use the word "bricked" when it's not actually an accurate description of the state of their DAP |
| 14:36:15 | Mouser_X | True. |
| 14:36:28 | Mouser_X | BigBambi: Thanks for the BL. |
| 14:36:32 | BigBambi | no probs |
| 14:36:35 | GodEater | indeed thanks BigBambi |
| 14:36:42 | BigBambi | any time :) |
| 14:36:51 | Mouser_X | Unless it's 1 am... |
| 14:36:58 | * | Mouser_X tried that once. |
| 14:36:59 | BigBambi | true |
| 14:37:28 | DerPapst | petur: i've removed all bload from the old flashlight plugin and only kept the buttonlight stuff in. Would be cool if that can be commited. |
| 14:37:34 | GodEater | to be honest, if any of the people who came to us for help had really bricked their DAPS, there's very little we can do for them |
| 14:37:36 | DerPapst | *bloat even |
| 14:38:08 | * | BigBambi loves the ease of upgrading the beast bootloader |
| 14:38:31 | Mouser_X | GodEater: Occasionally truelly bricked devices can be fixed with external hardware. |
| 14:38:43 | Mouser_X | Like a Jplug, or whatever that thing is... |
| 14:38:48 | BigBambi | jtag |
| 14:38:54 | Mouser_X | That's the one. |
| 14:38:58 | BigBambi | H100 and H300 are the culprits there |
| 14:39:26 | Mouser_X | I thought toffe had some form of Jtag for the Gigabeat. I'm likely mistaken... |
| 14:39:36 | BigBambi | Mouser_X: quite possibly |
| 14:39:42 | Mouser_X | (I know someone had one for the m:500) |
| 14:39:43 | GodEater | Mouser_X: yes, but I think LinusN is the only person who can do that |
| 14:39:50 | GodEater | and I *think* he's only done it for the H1xx |
| 14:39:58 | BigBambi | But I was talking about needing hardware to recover bad flashes on the H1xx (and H3xx) |
| 14:40:03 | * | jhMikeS wonders where the message ran off to :\ |
| 14:40:13 | BigBambi | need to use the bdm jobby for that I believe |
| 14:40:17 | GodEater | toffe had identified the JTAG on the Gigabeat, but I don't believe he has the hardware to use it |
| 14:40:35 | GodEater | I'm willing to be corrected though |
| 14:40:42 | * | BigBambi was about to say which is why he only uses Linus |
| 14:40:48 | jhMikeS | ah, there it be |
| 14:41:02 | * | petur feels the urge to close the flashlight patch as invalid, because there is no such thing as a flashlight plugin :) |
| 14:41:18 | BigBambi | ...N tested bootloaders on his h140, before realising he is currently using an untested v7pre4 from Slasheri |
| 14:41:23 | GodEater | hehe nice mail |
| 14:41:30 | BigBambi | I've got reckless in my old age |
| 14:41:54 | GodEater | I've got a v7pre3 on mine I think |
| 14:41:58 | * | petur sees the patch naming has followed... |
| 14:42:14 | BigBambi | pre3 didn't let me turn on with the remote |
| 14:42:24 | GodEater | I stopped using the remote a long time ago |
| 14:42:34 | GodEater | not even sure where mine is |
| 14:42:38 | BigBambi | Button detection needed a bit more of a delay, and it reckoned hold was permenently on |
| 14:42:46 | BigBambi | I'm a huge fan of the lcd remote |
| 14:42:53 | GodEater | I liked it too |
| 14:42:58 | GodEater | but it proved unreliable in the gym |
| 14:43:23 | GodEater | besides which, the cable on my Sure E2Cs is SO long anyway, that plugging them into the remote was just plain silly |
| 14:43:25 | * | BigBambi doesn't have that problem :) |
| 14:43:29 | GodEater | even if they'd do |
| 14:43:30 | BigBambi | But I should :/ |
| 14:43:31 | GodEater | *go |
| 14:43:41 | GodEater | which they don't because the plug is too big |
| 14:45:34 | GodEater | when you next in Blighty BigBambi? |
| 14:45:40 | BigBambi | Don't know |
| 14:45:47 | BigBambi | No set plans |
| 14:46:01 | DerPapst | petur: ;-) |
| 14:46:41 | GodEater | maybe you should try and come back over on the 5th/6th July |
| 14:46:41 | GodEater | and meet up with me and scorche ? |
| 14:46:41 | GodEater | if you can manage that weekend |
| 14:46:54 | BigBambi | I'll check it out |
| 14:47:11 | petur | DerPapst: how well was that tested? I don't have a target with button lights |
| 14:47:32 | DerPapst | works fine on my e200 |
| 14:47:42 | DerPapst | should work fine on gigabeat f as well |
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| 14:47:57 | DerPapst | but i don't knwo if it has been tested on a f yet. |
| 14:48:12 | petur | well that's ok then I suppose |
| 14:48:51 | petur | I might have a some room in my agenda tonight very late :/ |
| 14:49:13 | Mouser_X | GodEater: The 'beast gets upset when you format/repartition/resize the drive. |
| 14:49:28 | Mouser_X | linuxstb tried it out, as I recall. |
| 14:49:46 | Mouser_X | Apparently, it's TFAT, not FAT32. |
| 14:49:48 | | Part B4gder |
| 14:49:58 | DerPapst | petur: ok. thanks. but don't forget to bump the plugin api version. somehow that part got excluded in the diff. |
| 14:50:02 | Mouser_X | (there was a link to some MS page about it. check the logs.) |
| 14:50:06 | GodEater | wth is TFAT ? |
| 14:50:12 | linuxstb | Yes, even reformatting the bootloader partition will cause the beast to enter recovery mode |
| 14:50:44 | linuxstb | You can change the labels (TFAT) though... |
| 14:50:50 | GodEater | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExFAT |
| 14:51:23 | GodEater | the format is indicated in the label ? |
| 14:52:05 | linuxstb | The label is just the label... |
| 14:53:17 | Mouser_X | GodEater: right at the beggining of the logs - http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa915463.aspx |
| 14:53:28 | Mouser_X | (MS page about TFAT.) |
| 14:54:05 | petur | hmmm probably patented by MS |
| 14:54:18 | Mouser_X | There's a good chance of that. |
| 14:55:17 | gevaerts | Is that really a problem ? All we need is compatibility, if we don't implement actual transaction support I would expect that we're fine |
| 14:56:10 | petur | reading, yes, writing might be tricky |
| 14:56:11 | Mouser_X | I haven't had any problems myself, but I've heard that others have. |
| 14:56:48 | * | Mouser_X has already put ~45 GB his 'beast, and would prefer it to not format itself... |
| 14:56:54 | GodEater | linuxstb: so can you just format as FAT32, and then mark the parition as TFAT somehow ? |
| 14:57:05 | GodEater | or is it not that simple ? |
| 14:57:33 | linuxstb | I've no idea what TFAT entails... Just that if I do a normal mkfs.vfat -F32 (or mformat) on the bootloader partition, the beast is unhappy. |
| 14:57:57 | GodEater | but it doesn't care on the data partition ? |
| 14:58:10 | linuxstb | I can't remember if I tested that. |
| 14:58:20 | Mouser_X | It'd be nice to resize the firmware partition... 150 GB seems a little overkill. |
| 14:58:33 | linuxstb | 150GB would be.... |
| 14:58:39 | GodEater | hahaha |
| 14:58:44 | petur | lol |
| 14:58:46 | GodEater | yeah - that would be an extreme waste |
| 14:58:52 | GodEater | even my linux install isn't that big |
| 14:59:33 | Mouser_X | That's how big the firmware partition is on my 'beast. |
| 14:59:37 | Mouser_X | Wait... |
| 14:59:41 | Mouser_X | D'oh. |
| 14:59:46 | Mouser_X | Typo attack. |
| 14:59:51 | linuxstb | Really? ;) |
| 14:59:57 | Mouser_X | :/ |
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| 15:00:20 | Mouser_X | Heh. That'd be nice if I had a HDD that big though... |
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| 15:09:32 | * | Mouser_X misses the "Hello World!" in the bootloader... |
| 15:10:07 | * | Mouser_X will learn to live with out it. |
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| 15:14:19 | kkurbjun | jhMikeS, nls: the gigabeat F does not use IRAM for ROLO. On the F ROLO copies the new boot to 0x31000000 which is a mirror of 0x01000000, but uncached, and jumps to that address Then crt0.s takes care of making sure that the code is in the appropriate location, and if it is not, copies it to 0x0 after setting up the MMU. |
| 15:14:47 | kkurbjun | it then jumps to it's continue point at 0x0+&continue |
| 15:16:11 | jhMikeS | kkurbjun: IRAM on the S works just fine so that no crazy stuff like that needs doing |
| 15:16:14 | kkurbjun | the big portion of the rolo functionality for the F was committed separate from the actual rolo "implementation" |
| 15:16:16 | kkurbjun | :) |
| 15:16:22 | kkurbjun | well, that's better then |
| 15:16:38 | kkurbjun | most of the code for rolo was actually done to get the flash booting working |
| 15:17:04 | kkurbjun | and to make sure that when the new code with flash support was committed the old bootloaders didn't break |
| 15:18:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: Since RoLo works on the S, I guess I can mention it in the manual, then. |
| 15:18:59 | jhMikeS | LambdaCalculus37: it should since the problem with a different build should be solved so I guess that is safe |
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| 15:19:49 | kkurbjun | jhMikeS: on the gigabeat F you had noticed the high power consumption when sound hadn't been started right? |
| 15:20:07 | jhMikeS | kkurbjun: yeah, you found out why? |
| 15:20:26 | kkurbjun | Did you have any leads on where it might be.. not yet, I need to get my gdb loader working soe I can do some HW breakpoints... |
| 15:20:40 | kkurbjun | right now the F isn't properly shutting down |
| 15:20:49 | kkurbjun | it's rebooting when we "shutdown" |
| 15:20:58 | kkurbjun | and the OF is taking care of the actual power down |
| 15:21:31 | kkurbjun | with my "fixed" code I see the high power consumption remain even after the processor has been put to sleep for real |
| 15:21:50 | kkurbjun | if sound is started it shows less power |
| 15:21:57 | jhMikeS | the amount of current used right after startup was rather similar to a powered HD and that's all I know about it |
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| 15:22:04 | kkurbjun | hmm |
| 15:22:42 | jhMikeS | it has HD poweroff? |
| 15:23:07 | kkurbjun | I thought so.. |
| 15:23:14 | jhMikeS | hmmm, not implemented |
| 15:23:17 | kkurbjun | oh |
| 15:23:20 | kkurbjun | :) |
| 15:23:27 | kkurbjun | I'll look there first then |
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| 15:24:54 | jhMikeS | oh, wait, duh...was looking at sim stubs :p\ |
| 15:25:23 | kkurbjun | :) |
| 15:25:33 | kkurbjun | I gotta run - time for work |
| 15:26:23 | jhMikeS | have fun :) |
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| 16:12:59 | kugel | Is there a wiki page on how to replace the sansa e200 bootloader with the rockbox one? |
| 16:13:15 | krazykit | kugel, i believe the process is on the bug tracker |
| 16:13:29 | krazykit | fs8642 |
| 16:13:44 | kugel | krazykit: I know, I also found this page. But I'm not sure if it's complete |
| 16:14:17 | kugel | f.e. on the e200r installation wiki, it says I need to have the OF.bin in the system folder. I'd like to be sure if I need that for e200 too or not |
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| 16:53:13 | kugel | So, can anyone tell me, if I need anything to do/make sure before or after running sansapatch -bl? |
| 16:53:32 | kugel | sansapatcher rather |
| 16:55:35 | krazykit | kugel, why not just try it? you can just throw it in manufacturer mode and recover easily anyway. |
| 16:55:58 | kugel | But that mean that I have to reboot my pc :( |
| 16:56:27 | GodEater | vmware ? |
| 16:56:37 | GodEater | no reboot required then |
| 16:59:46 | kugel | That doesn't work. If I disconnect the sansa from the pc in order to get it connected in the vm, the sansa doesn't reconnect, since it's waiting for the reboot. At least that's how it happens here with vbox |
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| 17:00:37 | GodEater | BigBambi got it to work... |
| 17:00:47 | GodEater | er no he didn't |
| 17:00:50 | GodEater | I mean bascule! |
| 17:03:28 | * | BigBambi denies he ever got anything to work ever |
| 17:03:29 | * | kugel tries to remember how to compile svn sansapatcher with svn bootloader...did it once but has forgotten it |
| 17:05:04 | DerPapst_ | for ipodpatcher you have to edit the makefile |
| 17:08:02 | krazykit | kugel, you'll want OF.bin |
| 17:08:26 | krazykit | i just tried it :) |
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| 17:12:29 | kugel | krazykit: heh, thanks |
| 17:15:40 | kugel | krazykit: So, I basically need e200tool everytime i format then? |
| 17:17:01 | krazykit | kugel, only if you didn't add the OF. |
| 17:17:17 | krazykit | you need e200tool to recover the bootloader, since you blew it away with rockbox's |
| 17:17:38 | kugel | but when I need the of, and the of.mi4 is missing? |
| 17:18:13 | kugel | you said I need that file |
| 17:18:14 | krazykit | then you need to recover the bootloader so you can get into the OF for usb (unless your rockbox build is usb-enabled) |
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| 17:21:22 | kugel | krazykit: ok, again, I don't quite get this. Do I need OF.mi4 in the system folder to be able to boot into the of or not? if not, which OF.bin where you talking about? |
| 17:22:17 | krazykit | kugel, you need OF.mi4 (i used whatever is on Bagder's site, just renamed) in the system folder to boot into the OF. |
| 17:23:08 | kugel | okay |
| 17:23:59 | kugel | if sansa bootloader is able to load rockbox bootloader, why isn't the opposite possible? :) |
| 17:24:36 | n1s | jhMikeS: here is my patch for disabling some stuff and clock gating a lot of stuff on startup if you want to take a look http://rafb.net/p/vxyb7U33.html |
| 17:25:41 | preglow | jhMikeS: congrats :) |
| 17:30:51 | Topy44 | hm... has anyone tried reimplementing the REPs histogram and balance meter functions lately? about a year ago i made a build for my x5 with all of it working, but so many things changed since... |
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| 17:31:30 | BigBambi | Topy44: I don't believe anyone is mantaining the REP, no |
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| 17:32:44 | Topy44 | is anyone even actively working on the recording functions? its my main reason for using rockbox... (the original firmware supports mp3 recording only) |
| 17:33:18 | BigBambi | I don't think anyone is specifically right now, but I am probably wrong |
| 17:33:33 | BigBambi | Also, I don't know what everyone is doing with their time :) |
| 17:34:15 | jhMikeS | n1s: looks good. I'd suggest putting the CCMR write first so that the WFI instruction is set correctly right off. |
| 17:35:06 | n1s | jhMikeS: thanks for looking, will commit with that change |
| 17:35:23 | jhMikeS | preglow: the mail? guess it was a little behind. :) |
| 17:35:46 | preglow | jhMikeS: hadn't heard of it anyway |
| 17:35:49 | jhMikeS | could save some bytes by putting the modules to disable in an array |
| 17:36:30 | n1s | indeed, I should have thought of that :) |
| 17:36:41 | jhMikeS | preglow: that's why it was "Ladies and gentlemen - we have _had_ SOUND!!" :) |
| 17:37:19 | amiconn | Oh! It's gone now? ;) |
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| 17:38:10 | jhMikeS | :) |
| 17:38:38 | jhMikeS | I think that would be "we had had SOUND!!" </pedantic> |
| 17:38:57 | jhMikeS | :p |
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| 17:40:30 | jhMikeS | n1s: I tried remasking other ints (besides USB, charge, power button) at shutdown and all the same stuff still triggers powerup |
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| 17:41:25 | n1s | jhMikeS: it definitely disabled the alarm powerup at least... I will retest though |
| 17:42:10 | jhMikeS | mc1378_alarm_start <== ?? |
| 17:42:15 | * | LambdaCalculus37 needs to seriously update his beast when it comes back |
| 17:43:22 | toffe82 | if it comes back ;) |
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| 17:43:33 | n1s | jhMikeS: feel free to make up a better name :) |
| 17:43:51 | jhMikeS | n1s: how about mc13783_alarm_start :) |
| 17:44:20 | * | n1s hides... |
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| 17:44:53 | jhMikeS | n1s: forgot the "3" |
| 17:45:07 | n1s | yup, I'll fix |
| 17:46:13 | jhMikeS | n1s: it might be a good idea to set the alarm regs to max values when its disabled like after initial powerup (to assure the event doesn't happen) |
| 17:47:38 | n1s | jhMikeS: but i like that when i want to set the alarm the next time the time i set earlier is saved so i just press select to set the same, maybe setting just the DAYA to max is enough |
| 17:50:32 | * | jhMikeS wonders why an nvram entry doesn't exist for that. |
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| 17:52:00 | n1s | jhMikeS: do you think we should use the internal pmic ram as nvram? |
| 17:52:33 | jhMikeS | won't it lose it if the batt switch is turned off? |
| 17:54:00 | n1s | i'd guess so, tht's why I'm asking |
| 17:54:15 | jhMikeS | not very non-volatile then I'd say |
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| 17:55:16 | * | jhMikeS wants a coincell hw mod |
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| 18:00:33 | jhMikeS | am I missing something or is the memory just two registers? |
| 18:03:05 | kugel | how do i get to know the device node of my e200? |
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| 18:10:41 | skull0 | Hello friends! |
| 18:11:35 | n1s | jhMikeS: i think that's correct 24 bytes each |
| 18:12:34 | skull0 | I like run rockbox on a mp4 player I just found it has a chipset vibratto s ES6168A and seems to be a risc proc is there a way to make rock runs on that>? thanks for any comments |
| 18:13:04 | n1s | skull0: you would need to port it which requires a lot of work and skill |
| 18:13:34 | n1s | jhMikeS: using an array saved ~200 bytes :) |
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| 18:14:37 | skull0 | I see but I dont care if take me a lot of time it worths |
| 18:14:49 | skull0 | some idea where to start? |
| 18:15:16 | Llorean | skull0: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 18:15:17 | skull0 | I was thinking how to id the risc proc, but have no clue |
| 18:16:06 | Llorean | skull0: You were referenced to this page yesterday as well. |
| 18:17:03 | skull0 | I think its was http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 18:17:11 | skull0 | or at least I have seen that |
| 18:17:15 | skull0 | sorry to bother |
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| 18:18:18 | skull0 | ill be back form time on time here |
| 18:18:30 | skull0 | See ya and thanks again |
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| 18:21:36 | bertrik | what current is generally used for charging lithium batteries in rockbox? |
| 18:21:51 | bertrik | would C/3 be a good default? |
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| 18:36:11 | n1s | hmm, system-imx31.c and lcd-imx31.c don't have any headers... is it ok for me to assign the copyright to whoever made the first non trivial code commit or what? |
| 18:37:15 | jhMikeS | aren't they *-target.h already? |
| 18:38:07 | jhMikeS | oh, you don't mean the *.h but the rockbox header |
| 18:38:17 | n1s | yup |
| 18:38:27 | jhMikeS | I think some are missing keywords too |
| 18:38:36 | * | n1s will check that |
| 18:38:50 | jhMikeS | and eol-style native |
| 18:39:05 | n1s | a fun note, most of the gigabeast files are (C) 2006 LinusN... |
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| 18:48:50 | Nico_P | n1s: does setting svn:eolstyle change the eols? |
| 18:49:24 | * | Nico_P goes to read the svn book |
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| 18:50:10 | n1s | I'm not really sure what it does but it should be native :) |
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| 18:53:46 | Nico_P | hmm, I could've avoided a lot of wasted time if I had read up on that property |
| 18:54:15 | n1s | I read about it now too, seems a very good thing :) |
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| 18:55:06 | kugel | Has anyone tried the latest svn bootloader for e200? |
| 18:55:13 | kugel | I'm not sure, but I think it's broken |
| 18:55:18 | bertrik | ok silly question, what type should I use to store 8 bits? byte, unsigned char or uint8_t? |
| 18:55:34 | kugel | I wasn't able to boot after installing it |
| 18:55:52 | Nico_P | bertrik: I think the portable way is uint8_t, but I'm no expert |
| 18:59:01 | bertrik | pff, or maybe just an int. I'm seeing code where byte is used as a type and other code where it is used as a variable name (but is actually an int) |
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| 19:01:24 | bertrik | oh it seems there's no code in firmware/ that uses 'byte' |
| 19:02:10 | n1s | bertrike i think taht's only used in imported code |
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| 19:07:29 | kugel | Okay, when I enter B in tools/configure, a valid rockbox bootloader (named bootloader.bin) should be build, or am I wrong? |
| 19:08:49 | bertrik | kugel: I haven't built and tested an e200 bootloader lately, but I installed a new one last week using rbutil and that one works fine |
| 19:09:01 | bertrik | version 4.0 IIRC |
| 19:09:56 | kugel | it says my bootloader.bin is not a rockbox bootloader |
| 19:10:25 | kugel | rbutil installs the old but stable bootloader IIRC |
| 19:10:36 | kugel | which would be v4 yes |
| 19:10:56 | kugel | but I want to compile a newer version myself, it just doesn't work |
| 19:11:04 | domonoky | rbutil install whatever bootloader is on download.rockbox.org :-) |
| 19:11:43 | bertrik | I do see a rockbox logo on a black background now, I thought it is the new bootloader doing that |
| 19:11:53 | Llorean | kugel: Don't you also get a .mi4 file from the bootloader install? |
| 19:11:55 | kugel | which was updated in oct 07 |
| 19:12:33 | kugel | Llorean: Hmm, indeed. I didn't see that |
| 19:12:43 | kugel | no idea why |
| 19:13:14 | Llorean | But intermediate bootloaders don't always work. We don't concentrate on keeping them working, because people shouldn't be compiling their own one. Focus is on the main build until we decide to release a newer bootloader version. |
| 19:14:30 | kugel | Llorean: As long as I know what to do if it fails, I'll be fine I think |
| 19:14:52 | kugel | It's not the first time I build my own bootloader, but it's been ages since then |
| 19:16:04 | kugel | Llorean: Thank you very much. It's working. I really wonder how I couldn't see that file. I used the bootloader.bin in the bootloader subdir instead :/ |
| 19:16:34 | kugel | BTW, there's no wiki on bootloader building and installation, such one could've helped me alot |
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| 19:20:31 | Llorean | kugel: Frankly, it's better if people come ask first before compiling their own bootloader. |
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| 19:21:05 | Nico_P | do VBS scripts *need* to have CRLF line endings? |
| 19:22:05 | * | DerPapst hopes the beast bootloader is an exception :-P |
| 19:22:17 | amiconn | Nico_P: yes |
| 19:22:42 | Nico_P | I guessed so. I propose setting that EOL style in svn then |
| 19:22:58 | amiconn | I did set it on sapi_voice.vbs iirc |
| 19:23:22 | amiconn | Some other vb scripts can probably be removed as they're no longer used |
| 19:23:27 | Nico_P | ah yes, you did. I'll do it for the others in my upcoming commit |
| 19:23:55 | Llorean | DerPapst: Well, bootloader instructions for the E200 are probably on a deleted page, I think. They were there, while work was being done, but since the page was about the install process the current revision of it basically just says "See the manual." I wouldn't be surprised if someone who felt like digging could find the old steps though |
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| 19:24:31 | Nico_P | amiconn: I'll leave someone else to decide about that |
| 19:25:27 | amiconn | Nico_P: Looks like the other 3 are obsolete. They aren't referenced anywhere |
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| 19:25:57 | * | Nico_P wonders why they were kept |
| 19:26:01 | Nico_P | should I delete them? |
| 19:26:30 | amiconn | I'll do some more checks, then let you know |
| 19:26:45 | n1s | they are still in the svn history if anyone wants them later so, yes! :) |
| 19:27:37 | amiconn | Yes, they can be deleted |
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| 19:29:12 | Nico_P | ie all the ones that start with "sapi5" can be removed? |
| 19:29:24 | amiconn | yep |
| 19:29:30 | Nico_P | all right |
| 19:30:26 | amiconn | They all belong to the first, very limited and slow implementation of sapi voice file generation in cygwin |
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| 19:32:48 | * | Nico_P wonders whether a vbs script should be marked executable |
| 19:33:50 | Nico_P | I'll finish this after dinner |
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| 19:34:37 | amiconn | That's not necessary, as a vb script is windows only, and on windows there is no concept of executable scripts |
| 19:34:50 | amiconn | Scripts need to be run by calling their respective interpreter |
| 19:35:39 | amiconn | Actually there's one exception - the windows shell scripts (.cmd / .bat) |
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| 19:54:19 | kugel | Somehow sansapatcher -bl ... didn't do well |
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| 19:54:36 | kugel | but e200tool in preboot mode, after I bricked the manufactoring mode |
| 19:55:31 | Jim | hey all |
| 19:55:42 | kugel | Bagder: Are you sure the information is correct on your page? |
| 19:56:12 | kugel | Bagder: doing the steps "using e200tool before 0.1.3" did even more damage |
| 19:56:18 | Jim | is rockbox working on firmware for the zune? |
| 19:56:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | No. |
| 19:56:39 | advcomp2019 | Jim, nope |
| 19:56:40 | kugel | Jim: rockbox is running on any target which is mentioned on the front page |
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| 19:57:06 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37, advcomp2019: Don't help him directly, he should search himself before |
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| 19:57:36 | kugel | pre-boot mode is something weird |
| 19:57:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: I'm not saying any more than I have to. |
| 19:58:00 | kugel | krazykit: Are you there? |
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| 19:59:11 | saratoga | i used the svn bootloader recently and had no trouble |
| 19:59:51 | kugel | saratoga: I used the sansapatcher from download.rockbox.org, and myself compiled pp5022.mi4 |
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| 20:00:14 | kugel | after sansapatcher was done, I rebooted...straight into manufactoring mode |
| 20:00:38 | linuxstb | saratoga: Where did you find information about the hardware inside the Clip? |
| 20:01:23 | linuxstb | kugel: That wouldn't be the fault of the bootloader. And AFAIK (although I could be wrong), the Sansas never automatically enter manufacturing mode... |
| 20:01:23 | kugel | after putting the i2c.bin into the recovery modes(which I reached with e200tool) - like Bagder's site says, I directly landed in the pre-boot mode. |
| 20:02:05 | kugel | linuxstb: probably. I just saw the blue wheel only, which reminded me of manufacturing mode |
| 20:02:07 | saratoga | linuxstb: theres pictures of it taken apart somewhere on google |
| 20:02:33 | saratoga | kugel: I just built sansapatcher, then built a bootloader, and everything worked normally |
| 20:03:03 | linuxstb | saratoga: Am I right in thinking that there's no external SDRAM, but a small amount embedded on the AMS Soc? |
| 20:03:20 | kugel | saratoga: I used the sansapatcher version from download.rockbox.org, could that be the reason? I didn't think it makes a difference, since I specify the bootloader file |
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| 20:03:35 | advcomp2019 | linuxstb, there is photos of the insides on anythingbutipod |
| 20:03:36 | saratoga | linuxstb: yes I believe so |
| 20:03:53 | saratoga | theres actually two versions of the AMS SOC, one with SDRAM support and one without |
| 20:04:16 | kugel | saratoga: How did you build sansapatcher? within the rbutil dir? |
| 20:04:24 | saratoga | kugel: with its makefile |
| 20:05:54 | kugel | saratoga: are the massive warnings normal? |
| 20:06:37 | kugel | many of these "sansapatcher.c:839: Warnung: format »%08llx« erwartet Typ »long long unsigned int«, aber Argument 3 hat Typ »loff_t«" |
| 20:07:14 | kugel | it expects long long unsigned int, but the 3rd argument has type loff_t |
| 20:07:44 | linuxstb | What OS are you compiling on? |
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| 20:07:57 | kugel | ubuntu hardy, 64bit |
| 20:08:22 | linuxstb | I don't know if sansapatcher is 64-bit safe. Your experience would suggest that it maybe isn't... |
| 20:08:30 | kugel | hmm, could that be the reason? there was no 64bit version, so i took the 32 version instead |
| 20:08:42 | kugel | when I downloaded the one from download.rockbox.org |
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| 20:10:42 | bluebrother | kugel: it might be helpful / easier if you set LANG=C before pasting compiler warnings ... |
| 20:11:03 | saratoga | the warnings are just printf statements ... |
| 20:11:54 | kugel | bluebrother: thanks, didn't know that |
| 20:12:25 | kugel | So, here you go (if it now helps mroe): "sansapatcher.c:895: warning: format '%08llx' expects type 'long long unsigned int', but argument 3 has type 'loff_t'" |
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| 20:13:13 | bluebrother | kugel: I think your second sentence explained it enough. But as saratoga said, this is only a printf output so nothing that should break the functionality. |
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| 20:13:38 | bluebrother | Just wanted to give you a hint on how to avoid explaining pastes ;-) |
| 20:13:58 | kugel | There are only those printf warnings |
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| 20:14:56 | krazykit | kugel, i am now |
| 20:16:01 | * | linuxstb quite likes the challenge of squeezing Rockbox into the Clip's 320KB of RAM |
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| 20:17:31 | kugel | well, it didn't work again |
| 20:17:42 | kugel | now with myself compiled sansapatcher |
| 20:18:09 | kugel | krazykit: what have you exactly done with sansapatcher -bl? |
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| 20:18:53 | linuxstb | kugel: What is the exact sansapatcher command you're running? |
| 20:19:01 | bertrik | wow, just 320k? in other words, impossible? |
| 20:19:17 | kugel | sudo ./sansapatcher -bl PP5022.mi4 |
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| 20:19:25 | linuxstb | bertrik: No such thing ;) |
| 20:20:03 | n1s | hmm, does anyone know if any of the ab repeat functions are very time critical as there is a bit of inlining there that should go away otherwise |
| 20:21:16 | linuxstb | kugel: The sansapatcher help says that the -bl option needs a ".bin" file - not a mi4 |
| 20:21:24 | krazykit | kugel, i downloaded a precompiled sansapatcher, built the bootloader from tools/configure, and did sansapatcher -bl bootloader/bootloader.bin |
| 20:21:39 | kugel | linuxstb: i see |
| 20:21:41 | krazykit | just like the flyspray task said. |
| 20:21:41 | n1s | nope that inlining doens't make any binsize difference |
| 20:22:42 | kugel | linuxstb: it doesn't say that when I type the command though |
| 20:23:13 | kugel | linuxstb: Only on −−help |
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| 20:26:06 | kugel | I find it a bit confusing with the .mi4/.bin stuff |
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| 20:28:14 | kugel | finally... |
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| 20:30:47 | Nico_P | linuxstb: how do you expect to handle buffering with 320KB? |
| 20:31:08 | Nico_P | I mean, should there be any at all? |
| 20:31:23 | linuxstb | That's a challenge for you... |
| 20:31:38 | * | linuxstb hasn't thought about it at all. |
| 20:31:45 | Nico_P | would it be viable to read directly from the audio files? |
| 20:32:09 | linuxstb | I guess it would have to. |
| 20:32:13 | kugel | Nico_P: Would be interesting how the OF does that |
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| 20:32:49 | Nico_P | some parts of the playback code will need to be changed |
| 20:32:57 | Nico_P | ie the codec callbacks |
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| 20:33:53 | linuxstb | I'm not seriously looking at a port to the Clip though, I just bought it as a cheap V2 target, so I can help get the port started |
| 20:34:29 | Nico_P | yeah I know, but as you said, it's an interesting challenge ;) |
| 20:35:05 | linuxstb | You could easily configure an existing flash-based target to only use 320KB of RAM... |
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| 20:35:16 | kugel | krazykit: which file did you take? a 1.02.24 version OF file (as OF.bin) didn't work |
| 20:35:25 | * | Nico_P might try things like that on his c200 |
| 20:35:58 | Nico_P | it could actually make the playback code much simpler |
| 20:36:22 | * | gevaerts expects that some people won't mind an effort to fit rockbox in 320KB at all |
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| 20:38:02 | saratoga | i think most of the codecs would be out with 320k |
| 20:38:52 | bertrik | and call it rockbox lite, pebblebox ? |
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| 20:38:58 | gevaerts | Can it run code directly from flash ? |
| 20:40:47 | bertrik | gevaerts: if you insert the charger on your sansa c200, does the battery voltage seem right during charging, or is it way too high? |
| 20:41:01 | linuxstb | gevaerts: No, it's not memory-mapped |
| 20:41:03 | gevaerts | bertrik: it's way too high |
| 20:41:25 | gevaerts | linuxstb: that probably means using overlays or something similar |
| 20:41:58 | bertrik | ok thanks |
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| 20:43:02 | amiconn | linuxstb: There must be some really clever trick |
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| 20:43:28 | amiconn | Even on the archos with least features (the player), rockbox needs more than 320KB of RAM |
| 20:44:06 | amiconn | 345740 bytes for latest svn, not including the plugin buffer |
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| 20:44:19 | linuxstb | Does that include bss? |
| 20:44:24 | amiconn | yes |
| 20:44:45 | amiconn | But on archos we need no codecs, and SH1 code is a lot more compact than arm code |
| 20:44:50 | krazykit | kugel, i don't know. i called it OF.mi4 |
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| 20:45:00 | linuxstb | I've noticed thumb code in the V2 firmwares... |
| 20:45:03 | tlkg | hey guys |
| 20:45:11 | kugel | krazykit: Yea, OF.mi4 works |
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| 20:45:30 | amiconn | Yeah, maybe thumb is similarly compact. That still leaves the codec problem |
| 20:45:31 | tlkg | anyone know how to get rockbox to display new podcasts? |
| 20:46:15 | kugel | weeh, I got it working \o/ |
| 20:46:24 | saratoga | gevaerts: the datasheet says you can memory map external flash |
| 20:46:33 | kugel | after 2-3 nearly bricks |
| 20:46:34 | saratoga | so i would assume they've memory mapped a bit of the flash chip as ROM |
| 20:46:40 | linuxstb | saratoga: NAND flash though? |
| 20:47:07 | kugel | but I do think now, that the e200 is unbrickable w/o dealing physical damage |
| 20:48:00 | amiconn | 320KB is an odd amount of ram. Are you sure about this? |
| 20:49:05 | linuxstb | It's described as 2.5Mbit in one place, and as 5 * 64KB in another |
| 20:49:20 | linuxstb | But I've only briefly skimmed the datasheet... |
| 20:50:07 | n1s | linuxstb: for comparison, the mpa codec needs ~110kB including bss on the S |
| 20:50:41 | saratoga | linuxstb: i'm not sure |
| 20:50:52 | linuxstb | The OF just does mp3, wma, WAV and audible. |
| 20:50:58 | saratoga | its 5 banks of 64KB |
| 20:51:04 | amiconn | No sdram?? |
| 20:51:09 | saratoga | none |
| 20:51:18 | amiconn | Strange design... |
| 20:51:28 | saratoga | its the future |
| 20:51:37 | saratoga | SDRAM is going away on daps |
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| 20:52:07 | saratoga | nvidia's new chip has a meg or two of SRAM |
| 20:52:22 | saratoga | probably they'll be up to a 4MB in no time |
| 20:52:31 | saratoga | in which case you don't need or want SDRAM |
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| 20:53:32 | linuxstb | Are you sure that's MB of SRAM, not Mbit? |
| 20:54:28 | amiconn | saratoga: That might apply to flash based daps, but certainly not to hdd based daps |
| 20:54:43 | Nico_P | linuxstb: any reason why tools/configure has svn:eolstyle set to LF instead of native? |
| 20:55:15 | amiconn | ......and also not to daps with pda-like features |
| 20:55:31 | linuxstb | Sadly hdd based DAPs also seem to be going away... |
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| 20:55:47 | amiconn | I think rockbox would still be possible with just 320KB of ram, with the following limitaions/changes: |
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| 20:55:51 | n1s | amiconn: sadly it seems hdd based regular daps are going away too... |
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| 20:56:30 | linuxstb | Nico_P: No idea... I would expect bash in cygwin to handle CR/LF if that's how cygwin was configured. |
| 20:56:39 | Horscht | well, with rising flash space that shouldn't realy be that big a deal n1s |
| 20:56:42 | amiconn | * Codec buffer reduced to 128KB. No malloc buffer. This will probably rule out a number of codecs |
| 20:56:56 | Horscht | admitedly it sucks for you guys with growing flac libraries |
| 20:57:03 | saratoga | by the time you get up to 4MB of SRAM, you'd have 64 to 128GB of flash on a $150 device, which makes HDs less interesting |
| 20:57:04 | amiconn | * Everything compiled as thumb |
| 20:57:12 | n1s | Horscht: finding a flash based player with > 20GB is kind of hard though... |
| 20:57:25 | Horscht | it's still hard, yes |
| 20:57:49 | Horscht | but I assume in a not too distant future, 32GB+ Flash targets are more common |
| 20:57:51 | linuxstb | HD DAPs still have 10 times the storage of flash based though |
| 20:57:53 | amiconn | * Some of the big-code features need probably be cut from the core |
| 20:57:55 | * | DerPapst still waits for this over 800GB 2.5'' solid flash drive |
| 20:58:15 | amiconn | * No separate plugin buffer. If we want to allow plugins, they would always have to stop playback |
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| 20:58:34 | amiconn | linuxstb: 10 times? Nah... |
| 20:58:42 | Horscht | flash based targets have a lot of advantages over hd based ones. (physical) size being one of them |
| 20:58:44 | amiconn | Do you know a 320GB 1.8" hdd? |
| 20:58:51 | Horscht | also, being more failure proof |
| 20:58:56 | linuxstb | amiconn: What are the 32GB flash targets? |
| 20:59:04 | Horscht | because of no moving parts |
| 20:59:11 | Horscht | iphone has a 32GB version, no? |
| 20:59:18 | amiconn | linuxstb: I will soon have one. Not even very expensive... |
| 20:59:21 | Horscht | ipod touch |
| 20:59:27 | amiconn | iPod Mini + 32GB CF card |
| 20:59:30 | Llorean | Horscht: Surely you don't mean they're smaller at the same capacity. They're smaller at smaller capacities. |
| 20:59:30 | advcomp2019 | there is a 32GB sansa view |
| 20:59:30 | n1s | Horscht: the fragility of dap harddrives is greatly exaggerated |
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| 20:59:32 | linuxstb | OK, so currently 5 times... |
| 20:59:32 | saratoga | linuxstb: 2.25 megabytes |
| 20:59:37 | saratoga | not bits |
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| 21:00:06 | linuxstb | saratoga: Isn't that meant to be a video decoder though? |
| 21:00:18 | Horscht | that is true, but also, HD based targets can't realy shrink anymore, Llorean |
| 21:00:30 | amiconn | Unfortunately all 2.5" HDDs bigger than 160GB are only produced as SATA versions... otherwise one could indeed have a 320GB HDD based dap nowadays... |
| 21:00:35 | * | bertrik wonders if anyone here ever managed to wear out the erase cycles of flash memory |
| 21:00:36 | amiconn | (even rockboxable!) |
| 21:00:36 | Nico_P | flash is also less power hungry |
| 21:00:42 | * | DerPapst ios fine with the size of his hd based targets |
| 21:00:45 | saratoga | linuxstb: its an ARM SOC + DSP core |
| 21:01:09 | Llorean | Horscht: What are you basing this statement on? There are already HDs the size of dice: http://www.itechnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/22.jpg |
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| 21:01:37 | Horscht | you can't realy deny it, flash is a lot better for portable devices |
| 21:01:45 | * | linuxstb doesn't treat his DAPs well, but has never had a hard disk fail |
| 21:01:48 | Horscht | Llorean, depends on the size of the dice :p |
| 21:01:49 | saratoga | probably meant for cell phones and DAPs, sinc ethe display only goes to 320x240 |
| 21:02:14 | linuxstb | Horscht: I deny it - the price/capacity of flash can't compete with hard disks. |
| 21:02:18 | Horscht | seriously, though. that HD does not look like it's mass produced already |
| 21:02:24 | Llorean | Horscht: but you posited that HDs can't be shrunk any more. Defend your statement and show some evidence that they've reached a minimum size? |
| 21:02:55 | scorche|sh | amiconn: there is a 250GB |
| 21:03:03 | linuxstb | scorche|sh: PATA? |
| 21:03:06 | scorche|sh | yes |
| 21:03:09 | Horscht | I defend my statement with a quote by a famous person, Llorean |
| 21:03:15 | linuxstb | scorche|sh: URL? |
| 21:03:15 | Horscht | "lalalallaa, I can't hear you!" |
| 21:03:22 | Horscht | :) |
| 21:03:23 | scorche|sh | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136159 |
| 21:03:39 | Llorean | Horscht: That's silly. This is an on-topic channel. You really shouldn't be making statements like that if they're just wild opinion. |
| 21:03:48 | saratoga | i don't even think theres much market for 1.8" drives, let alone smaller |
| 21:04:53 | Llorean | Until such time as flash reaches the same sort of data density as HDs, you're still going to see media based players using both, since many people will prefer to have all their media on one device rather than toting a bag full of cards. |
| 21:05:01 | Horscht | Llorean, i do believe that there is a minimum practical size of HDs |
| 21:05:23 | Llorean | Horscht: You believe. But you've got no evidence other than your own speculation? |
| 21:05:40 | Horscht | there is a point on which you can't put more data on a certain soze of platter |
| 21:05:52 | scorche|sh | the AV300 would be nice, as i want a device i can throw a 2.5" hard drive in and will still play me flac |
| 21:05:58 | Horscht | shrinking the platter will eventualy shrink the space |
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| 21:06:07 | Llorean | Horscht: The exact same thing holds true for flash. that is a completely invalid point. |
| 21:06:11 | Horscht | surely, we're not at that point yet |
| 21:06:35 | Llorean | Horscht: As I said, until flash surpasses magnetic storage in data density, disks will be an alternative. I think this makes it VERY clear that I warranted that if flash does surpass it, it can become a better alternative. |
| 21:06:49 | Horscht | but I do feel that Harddisks, for DAPs, will "soon" be outdated |
| 21:07:05 | amiconn | There's another point apart from available capacity - the price |
| 21:07:27 | linuxstb | Horscht: Define "soon" ? |
| 21:07:32 | Llorean | Yes, right now a 160GB flash device would be ridiculously expensive. |
| 21:07:33 | bertrik | to me it seems that the increase in disk capacity is slowing down, while flash capacities are still going up very rapidly |
| 21:07:37 | Llorean | And probably will be for quite some time. |
| 21:07:39 | Horscht | "soon" is undefined, linuxstb |
| 21:07:46 | Horscht | that's why I quoted it |
| 21:07:51 | Llorean | Horscht: If you can say that, I can say "soon" is already up, and it hasn't happened. |
| 21:08:01 | * | gevaerts recommends #rockbox-speculation |
| 21:08:21 | n1s | Horscht: so you say that sometime in the future we will no longer use the current technology... |
| 21:08:39 | Horscht | no, not entirely |
| 21:08:55 | Llorean | n1s: A dangerous position if I ever heard one. ;) |
| 21:09:07 | Horscht | but for DAPs, HDs will be close to non-existant |
| 21:09:20 | linuxstb | Horscht: At some undefined point in the future? |
| 21:09:26 | Horscht | yes |
| 21:09:33 | linuxstb | Thanks for the insight... |
| 21:09:36 | Llorean | bertrik: I'd say disk capacity is going up faster than people think. The jump from 80gb dual platter to 80gb single platter was very sudden. |
| 21:09:38 | Llorean | Relatively speaking |
| 21:10:09 | Horscht | but already flash based targets do have a wider appeal to the general public, with storage sizes > 30GB |
| 21:10:50 | Llorean | Horscht: If this were absolutely true, Apple wouldn't have introduced the iPod Classic as disk based, but rather as flash based with two or three times the storage of the 3rd Gen Nano. |
| 21:10:53 | Horscht | general public being the majority of costumers |
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| 21:11:00 | * | gevaerts wonders which will come first : the heat death of the universe, the end of HDs in DAPs, or the end of this discussion |
| 21:11:15 | Horscht | that's what they have the nano for, Llorean |
| 21:11:25 | Llorean | Horscht: You missed my point entirely |
| 21:11:30 | Horscht | but the current nanos are still rather small in capacity |
| 21:11:42 | scorche|sh | Horscht: stop making lots of claims without any hard numbers or facts |
| 21:12:00 | amiconn | scorche: wow |
| 21:12:07 | amiconn | Just ~70 EUR... |
| 21:12:36 | Horscht | scorche|sh, this whole discussion is based on claims, from both sides of the arguments |
| 21:13:03 | scorche|sh | amiconn: yeah...and that wasnt any price shopping..that was just a well-known retailer that i searched for a drive from because i knew i had seen 250 PATA drives |
| 21:13:23 | Horscht | but i will just shut up now. |
| 21:13:29 | Horscht | I am hungry |
| 21:13:53 | scorche|sh | Horscht: i see proof given to disprove your arguments...i see nothing enforcing your claims....regardless, if you want this to continue, #rockbox-community awaits |
| 21:14:08 | Horscht | no thanks |
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| 21:28:28 | webguest95 | need telechips datasheets? |
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| 21:29:58 | linuxstb | webguest95: These? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10164.msg109942#msg109942 |
| 21:33:00 | webguest95 | i see someone published it. but i got it a month before... |
| 21:33:26 | webguest95 | here http://depositfiles.com/files/5002430 |
| 21:33:43 | linuxstb | Are you interested in porting Rockbox to a telechips device? |
| 21:34:34 | advcomp2019 | webguest95, your link does not work |
| 21:35:50 | webguest95 | they deleted it... |
| 21:36:13 | webguest95 | strange. i uploaded it a week ago |
| 21:36:31 | webguest95 | it wass al tc datasheets |
| 21:37:00 | linuxstb | webguest95: What is your interest in the telechips datasheets? |
| 21:37:40 | webguest95 | no interest. i thought its not publicavailable so i can help |
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| 21:38:57 | webguest95 | im interested in PP and AMS |
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| 21:43:07 | skull0 | Yo there again folks |
| 21:43:44 | skull0 | I have read several times the pages you suggest me but unfortunately I dont know the type of proc im dealing with |
| 21:43:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | Then consult the all-seeing Google. |
| 21:44:03 | skull0 | I got a picture so someone can give me a hint |
| 21:45:18 | skull0 | its kind strange because I didnt find the model I use in google |
| 21:45:28 | BigBambi | amiconn: I haven't read if there was already an answer, but I just ordered a 250 GB PATA 2.5" WD drive |
| 21:45:58 | scorche|sh | BigBambi: yeah...i told him one exists |
| 21:46:06 | BigBambi | hehe |
| 21:46:11 | BigBambi | too late then :) |
| 21:47:09 | BigBambi | amiconn: for ~ €85 in .fr |
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| 21:47:29 | amiconn | BigBambi: Cheapest in .de is EUR 69.95 |
| 21:47:35 | BigBambi | nice |
| 21:47:43 | amiconn | (including VAT) |
| 21:47:54 | BigBambi | yep (+ delivery here) |
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| 21:48:30 | amiconn | It looks like someone should really write fdisk.rock and format.rock... |
| 21:49:06 | espire | hi all, to use album art, I have to use a .BMP file, correct? what should this file be named? |
| 21:49:07 | skull0 | the closest one I got is this http://img.alibaba.com/photo/100477901/Dmp_02_Multi_Media_Player_M_B_Board.jpg |
| 21:49:29 | BigBambi | esperegu_: www.rockbox.org/wiki/AlbumArt |
| 21:49:35 | BigBambi | sorry, @ espire |
| 21:49:47 | espire | ah, thanks |
| 21:49:47 | skull0 | what is the ess thing? |
| 21:49:57 | skull0 | its RISC or SoC? |
| 21:49:58 | roolku | Nico_P: ? |
| 21:50:53 | Bagder | skull0: uh, a SoC can be RISC... |
| 21:51:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | What kind of board is this? It looks like a hobbyist board. |
| 21:51:39 | Bagder | skull0: is that the only IC on the board? |
| 21:51:51 | skull0 | dunno thats because give me a little problem to address components |
| 21:51:57 | skull0 | yep |
| 21:52:24 | Bagder | here => http://www.esstech.com/products/AVplayer/Prod_Briefs/pb6425.pdf |
| 21:52:27 | skull0 | badger: just read this on wiki, perhaps I dont read it well. |
| 21:52:29 | skull0 | =_ |
| 21:52:30 | Bagder | took me 20 seconds |
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| 21:54:29 | Bagder | hah, it _was_ a SoC that is a RISC ;-) |
| 21:54:46 | skull0 | jeje |
| 21:54:58 | saratoga | doesn't mention the cpu though |
| 21:54:58 | amiconn | proprietary core... |
| 21:55:13 | Bagder | yeah, charming approach... |
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| 21:56:14 | espire | another question; what version of ID3 does rockbox support? |
| 21:56:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | Both V1 and V2 tags. |
| 21:56:32 | espire | even v2.4? |
| 21:56:39 | skull0 | The one I have has usb and ever ask myself if connecting a hub to this mini will work to attach some peripherials some comments? |
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| 21:56:49 | amiconn | espire: yes |
| 21:57:11 | espire | cool, thanks |
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| 21:59:48 | skull0 | well time t deal with the ess thing, thanks everyone!!! wish me luck!!! |
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| 22:01:47 | petur | hmmm do backlight and button backlight share the same MAX_BRIGHTNESS_SETTING? |
| 22:03:39 | bertrik | hm, getting lots of "svnversion.sh: line 10: $'\r': command not found" with svn17422 |
| 22:03:42 | roolku | petur: I wondered about that as well, but with the log transformation it just means the same number of steps |
| 22:04:12 | roolku | bertrik: in cygwin ? |
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| 22:04:22 | bertrik | roolku: yes |
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| 22:04:58 | roolku | I think it is the same problem I just fixed for configure |
| 22:05:10 | roolku | bertrik: let me check |
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| 22:06:37 | bertrik | I'll try checking it out again |
| 22:06:48 | webguest60 | hello, could you explain me what means a "*PANIC* event line full" with Rockbox ver. r17400-080507. ? |
| 22:06:48 | roolku | betrik: yes, fell victim to Nico_P's tidy up |
| 22:07:48 | bertrik | webguest60: something bad happened, probably a bug |
| 22:08:42 | webguest60 | betrik: thanks, you know where i could fine the "event line" to debug ? |
| 22:08:57 | bertrik | webguest60: developers are aware of it, but I don't know exactly who is working on it |
| 22:09:17 | webguest60 | mkay, thanks |
| 22:09:20 | amiconn | webguest60: It would be helpful to know how you triggered that bug |
| 22:09:33 | bertrik | firmware/events.c |
| 22:09:51 | webguest60 | cant tell you, its not on mine |
| 22:09:54 | roolku | bertrik: should work now |
| 22:10:13 | bertrik | yup, it works again, thanks |
| 22:10:15 | webguest60 | http://dormrf.free.fr/toutsansa/viewtopic.php?id=343 |
| 22:10:51 | webguest60 | It's a last.fm user |
| 22:11:18 | bertrik | if it's not already on the bug tracker, you can add it, preferably with more info on (what target, how to reproduce it, etc.) |
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| 22:12:59 | webguest18 | i'll ask him to fill a bug report |
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| 22:22:11 | Bagder | one commit more and we are all green |
| 22:22:52 | preglow | any reason for using DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE multiples when defining stack sizes and we're actually going for some specific size? |
| 22:23:20 | preglow | e200 sd stack is (DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE*2 + 0x1c0)/sizeof(long) big, for example |
| 22:24:18 | Bagder | I guess plain laziness |
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| 22:24:48 | preglow | good, i won't do that, then |
| 22:25:03 | preglow | no reason to make it DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE dependent when you don't care what DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE is |
| 22:25:17 | Bagder | exactly |
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| 22:37:24 | * | Bagder found and fixed the flaw that made the current build source archive not update |
| 22:37:49 | Bagder | and sansalinux.org now gives us some credit too |
| 22:39:12 | * | bertrik didn't know sansalinux |
| 22:39:14 | preglow | poor linux guys |
| 22:39:37 | Bagder | both of them? ;-) |
| 22:40:53 | Bagder | bertrik: ipodlinux + rockbox drivers and installer = sansalinux |
| 22:41:23 | Bagder | but it looks like a nice hack |
| 22:41:36 | DerPapst | it is indeed :-) |
| 22:41:40 | * | Bagder didn't try it, only checked sources |
| 22:41:46 | * | gevaerts would like beastlinux |
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| 22:45:12 | * | DerPapst did.. works pretty well already |
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| 22:46:28 | preglow | gevaerts: well, at least that is powerful enough to run it well |
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| 22:46:49 | gevaerts | exactly. Once it runs well we can put build servers on them |
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| 22:47:25 | n1s | with ethernet over usb that could actually work... |
| 22:47:57 | preglow | hmm |
| 22:47:58 | preglow | d2 has two cores... |
| 22:48:01 | * | DerPapst still wants gcc as a plugin. |
| 22:48:59 | amiconn | hmmmm |
| 22:49:05 | preglow | sanity as a plugin |
| 22:49:32 | amiconn | I'm now down to a single line of code where the dropout on mini is caused, but I don't really understand why |
| 22:50:08 | amiconn | *possibly* the PP ATA controller checks some signal, and actually blocks the register read until that signal becomes ready |
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| 22:50:37 | moos | hi there |
| 22:50:52 | amiconn | As soon as I read ATA_STATUS (or ATA_ALT_STATUS) too soon after powering up the disk, the dropout happens |
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| 22:51:16 | amiconn | It's independent on whether the subsequent checks are delayed a lot, the first check matters |
| 22:51:21 | moos | is anyone can build me last S bootloader please? (not possibilty to build here) |
| 22:51:23 | saratoga | finally got my beast |
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| 22:51:34 | moos | saratoga: congrates |
| 22:51:38 | amiconn | So the only fix is to increase the delay after powering up the disk. |
| 22:51:55 | amiconn | Should we do this for all hdd based targets, or just for the minis? |
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| 22:52:14 | amiconn | Right now we're waiting HZ/50. The mini needs at least HZ/5 |
| 22:52:37 | saratoga | i'm surprised at the S retail firmware, its not that terrible, though lack of UMS makes me thinking syncing it will suck |
| 22:52:54 | Llorean | amiconn: I seem to recall reports of dropouts on several PortalPlayer targets recently, at various times. Including a recent one that was "fixed" by enabling dircache. Could there be any relation |
| 22:53:28 | amiconn | Depends on the type of dropout. The one I'm talking about is pretty easy to identify |
| 22:53:31 | | Part espire |
| 22:54:01 | DerPapst | moos: pure rb bootloader or dualboot? |
| 22:54:08 | amiconn | Whenever the disk has spun down and is powered off, any disk access (playback related or not) causes a single audio dropout of a fraction of a second |
| 22:54:21 | Llorean | amiconn: Ah, this sounds more like frequent ones. |
| 22:54:37 | amiconn | This seems to block the whole SoC |
| 22:54:45 | moos | saratoga: impossible to use it here, my beast did sleep 2 months here waiting rockbox ;) But sure it sucks a bit more than others |
| 22:55:02 | amiconn | 0.2 seconds extra aren't that much compared to the other target's spinup times... |
| 22:55:24 | moos | DrPapst: Dualboot please (even if I canot make it workin yet) |
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| 22:55:37 | DerPapst | mkay |
| 22:55:48 | moos | merci |
| 22:55:55 | * | amiconn needs to check something |
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| 22:56:24 | moos | saratoga: s/more/less |
| 22:57:12 | * | amiconn doesn't know a single OF that does not suck one way or another |
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| 22:58:35 | * | w1ll14n wonders if there's even one OF that doesn't suck at all |
| 22:59:18 | * | Llorean finds the OF of his watch quite acceptable. |
| 22:59:50 | w1ll14n | lol |
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| 23:00:01 | DerPapst | iirc some like the D2's of ;-) |
| 23:00:10 | * | gevaerts uses a watch with non-upgradable gearware |
| 23:01:35 | petur | DerPapst: your last flash^H^H^H^Hlamp patch misses stuff like buttonlight_force_on() |
| 23:01:45 | * | w1ll14n thinks about gevaerts watch... doesn't it have a replaceble battery ? |
| 23:02:00 | * | petur missed a backspace |
| 23:02:15 | DerPapst | oh? /me runs and checks |
| 23:02:17 | amiconn | Hmm, spinup time from power-off state is significantly longer than from standby anyway |
| 23:03:07 | amiconn | On mini: 450 ms from standby, 1500ms from power-off |
| 23:04:00 | DerPapst | petur: shall i put it in lib/helper.[c|h] or in the plugin itsself? |
| 23:04:39 | n1s | amiconn: i think about 1 second is the usual difference for these small hds |
| 23:04:59 | petur | the lib please |
| 23:05:06 | DerPapst | ok :-) |
| 23:05:38 | w1ll14n | i was wondering, does the gigabeat's also have a serial port on dock connector ? |
| 23:05:50 | amiconn | The more important is that it seems those 0.2 extra seconds don't accumulate (probably because it shortens the wait_for_bsy() time by the same amount) |
| 23:06:08 | amiconn | So I think we should wait that tiny bit longer on all hdd targets |
| 23:06:13 | amiconn | Opinions? |
| 23:07:15 | n1s | amiconn: does it accumulate on other targets? |
| 23:07:25 | amiconn | Didn't test yet |
| 23:07:42 | amiconn | Maybe I should... |
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| 23:09:32 | amiconn | I tried HZ/2 on mini now. Even that doesn't change the ~1500ms spinup time from power-off |
| 23:09:58 | * | amiconn will try HZ/2 on iriver and archos now |
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| 23:12:14 | DerPapst | petur: http://papsti.dyndns.org:83/lamp_02.diff |
| 23:12:22 | DerPapst | i do a quick test compile |
| 23:13:33 | DerPapst | (quick = 20 minutes.. cygwin ;-)) |
| 23:14:10 | amiconn | n1s: No accumulation on h180, even for HZ/2 |
| 23:14:11 | pixelma | DerPapst: if you start adding features for the lamp plugin, you should make it use the greylib on monochrome/greyscale targets so that it can "dim" the light... ;) |
| 23:14:23 | * | amiconn thinks he should go for HZ/2 to be on the safe side then |
| 23:14:34 | n1s | amiconn: then I'd say go ahead |
| 23:14:34 | amiconn | Will test archos and G2 first |
| 23:14:38 | petur | DerPapst: errors ;) |
| 23:14:45 | DerPapst | pixelma: meh.. i don't add more "bloat" to it sine it isn't wanted :-P |
| 23:14:56 | DerPapst | petur: meh... |
| 23:14:59 | petur | DerPapst: I'll fix 'm |
| 23:15:07 | DerPapst | ok. thanks |
| 23:15:12 | n1s | DerPapst: it should have a Morse mode! |
| 23:15:22 | petur | hehe |
| 23:15:35 | * | DerPapst puts fingers in ears and starts to sing... loudly |
| 23:15:55 | * | gevaerts wonders if DerPapst sings in morse |
| 23:16:42 | pixelma | DerPapst: well if colour targets have an arbitrary colour setting; I would think that's fair... |
| 23:17:00 | DerPapst | pixelma: they don't :-P |
| 23:19:48 | amiconn | Indeed not, even with the colour-circle patch |
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| 23:20:20 | DerPapst | ...which i will keep thoug :-P |
| 23:20:23 | DerPapst | +h |
| 23:20:32 | amiconn | It's not arbitrary, it only allows colours with value=100% and saturation=100% |
| 23:20:35 | pixelma | the dimming with the help of greylib would only be needed on targets which can't set the backlight brightness in this idea |
| 23:20:36 | amiconn | ...or white |
| 23:20:38 | * | DerPapst likes pretty colours |
| 23:20:56 | toffe82 | w1ll14n: the serial port is available internally, not on the dock connector |
| 23:20:59 | * | gevaerts wants octarine support |
| 23:21:00 | * | amiconn thinks that colour circle patch should be committed |
| 23:21:11 | DerPapst | pixelma: the brightness is set to maximum and not changed in the plugin |
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| 23:22:05 | preglow | the main storage in the sansas get treated just like an sd card, yes? |
| 23:22:49 | pixelma | the "lamp" on a Mini is then probably much brighter than on an H100... (just saying) |
| 23:23:02 | gevaerts | preglow: as far as I understand it, yes |
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| 23:23:44 | kugel | DerPapst: You're right :) |
| 23:24:07 | kugel | I'm suprised how much effort you put into overkilling a simple flashlight/lamp |
| 23:24:20 | amiconn | n1s: I can confirm that there is no adding up at all |
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| 23:24:30 | petur | DerPapst: I'll leave 8934 open for those who want to work on the other features of the original patch? |
| 23:24:32 | * | DerPapst pffffffs |
| 23:24:37 | DerPapst | pfffffft |
| 23:24:43 | DerPapst | ok |
| 23:24:50 | kugel | DerPapst: :) |
| 23:24:51 | DerPapst | maybe you can rename it though |
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| 23:25:17 | * | petur could also close it and let people create a new one |
| 23:25:26 | kugel | Can we rename lamp again? To ilumination or something? |
| 23:25:53 | kugel | That was suggested by Llorean like month ago |
| 23:25:54 | * | Llorean doesn't like to intentionally give things misspelled names like ilumination. :-P |
| 23:26:13 | Llorean | kugel: I also would've suggested lamp if pixelma hadn't been about 2 seconds faster typing it out. |
| 23:26:24 | kugel | illumination is also fine |
| 23:26:30 | * | petur kicks the buildservers awake |
| 23:26:33 | n1s | amiconn: that's good :) |
| 23:26:40 | * | Llorean thinks lamp is a perfectly suitable name. |
| 23:26:56 | * | preglow too |
| 23:26:58 | * | DerPapst doesn't care too much |
| 23:27:08 | kugel | i think it fits as good as illumination, but illumination is kinda cooler |
| 23:27:15 | * | petur kicks a bit harder |
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| 23:27:27 | kugel | anyway, names are the least important aspect of a software |
| 23:27:33 | DerPapst | *cough*bagder |
| 23:27:54 | DerPapst | indeed. the most important one is the logo |
| 23:28:01 | * | petur summons somebody with a long stick |
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| 23:28:18 | kugel | uhh |
| 23:29:50 | petur | Bagder: still here? |
| 23:30:18 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:30:41 | petur | buildservers aren't picking up the commit |
| 23:31:02 | petur | probably some green table protection |
| 23:31:20 | Bagder | yes, we will no longer accept commits |
| 23:31:28 | petur | ah ok then |
| 23:31:28 | Bagder | it might ruin the table! |
| 23:31:58 | * | DerPapst makes screenshot |
| 23:32:03 | scorche|sh | Bagder: just prevent certain people like JdGordon from committing |
| 23:32:05 | w1ll14n | toffe82: thanx! it's to bad..... that it isn't accessible trough dock connector |
| 23:32:41 | toffe82 | w1ll14n: but you have i2c and i2s |
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| 23:33:11 | w1ll14n | i've read that indeed.... |
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| 23:33:30 | petur | Bagder: thnx |
| 23:34:05 | Bagder | that bug is hard to catch |
| 23:34:11 | toffe82 | w1ll14n: check the block diagram of the F and the S |
| 23:34:13 | w1ll14n | toffe82: but there is a very nice remote for ipod (logic3 lcd remote), so i switched into fantasy mode.... |
| 23:34:59 | Llorean | Bagder: Re the steering committee: Will they also be expected to take responsibility for removing bad commits? (For example, I think there's still some debate over this one commit that seems to have borked up bass and treble settings related stuff) |
| 23:35:32 | Bagder | yes, I think that would be good job for that |
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| 23:35:48 | Bagder | and yes, I think we should revert that |
| 23:35:57 | scorche|sh | i take it the main decision will take place during DCE? |
| 23:36:11 | * | amiconn settles for HZ/4 in order to not introduce too much delay on CF modded targets |
| 23:36:38 | Bagder | scorche: yes, i think we should discuss the merits with a "board", pros and cons etc while there |
| 23:36:49 | Llorean | scorche|sh: It's a good place to hash out rules and guidelines for selecting them, and to determine their scope. |
| 23:36:51 | | Nick w1ll14n is now known as w1ll14m (n=william@dhcp-077-249-150-171.chello.nl) |
| 23:36:54 | w1ll14m | damn typo |
| 23:37:17 | scorche|sh | th infamous "board" |
| 23:37:51 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:37:58 | amiconn | pfew, one suspicious bug fixed |
| 23:38:11 | * | amiconn should probably try the CF mod now |
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| 23:38:47 | petur | amiconn: anything I can try? |
| 23:39:12 | amiconn | Should copying an image of the microdrive to the CF card (with dd) and then deleting and recreating the second partition work? |
| 23:39:28 | * | amiconn wants to avoid using the ipod updater to restore his disk |
| 23:39:36 | petur | why not? |
| 23:39:53 | DerPapst | just dd the entire microdrive. |
| 23:40:03 | DerPapst | eh... nvm |
| 23:40:08 | DerPapst | yes. that should work |
| 23:40:30 | amiconn | DerPapst: I only need the firmware partition. The second partition needs to be recreated in order to use all available space |
| 23:40:44 | amiconn | MBR + firmware partition, that is |
| 23:40:53 | DerPapst | yep. i noticed that after hitting return |
| 23:41:04 | DerPapst | that's why the "nvm" |
| 23:41:16 | * | amiconn is curious whether the OF can handle that card :P |
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| 23:41:27 | amiconn | I can't try playback though, just booting |
| 23:42:01 | DerPapst | iirc most CF cards worked with the OF. |
| 23:42:09 | kugel | petur: didn't you forget to bump the api version? |
| 23:42:13 | DerPapst | but maybe yours isn't "most" :-P |
| 23:42:18 | petur | argh |
| 23:42:23 | amiconn | It's a large capacity card... |
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| 23:44:35 | bluebrother | Llorean: what commit were you talking about? "Study" or something else? |
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| 23:52:37 | amiconn | Bagder: Umm, what's that? http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-20080508T213247Z.html |
| 23:53:00 | amiconn | "from r17425 to r17425" |
| 23:53:04 | Bagder | that's a manually triggered build |
| 23:53:11 | amiconn | ah |
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| 23:58:12 | pixelma | meh, why does LaTeX sometimes have weird problems with 'opt'ing? :\ |
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