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| 00:05:35 | * | bertrik is testing battery charging for e200 |
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| 00:11:10 | pixelma | bertrik: what voltage does the "view battery" screen give you now when you have it attached to USB? |
| 00:11:54 | bertrik | 4.098-4.104 |
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| 00:14:43 | Bagder | austriancoder: you seen that your treble/bass commit still causes trouble? |
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| 00:15:36 | Bagder | but now sleep |
| 00:15:53 | pixelma | bertrik: seems saner than what I get after a short while - voltage suddenly rises to over 4,5V (with a non-USB build) |
| 00:16:10 | pixelma | and going up... |
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| 00:18:06 | jhMikeS | I'd pull it right now |
| 00:18:48 | bertrik | pixelma: I changed the ADC channel used for sampling the battery voltage. There are two ADC channels that show almost exactly the same while not charging. One of them goes way up when the charger is inserted, the other stays mostly the same. |
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| 00:20:04 | pixelma | jhMikeS: I know, don't trust it myself but this has been reported on other targets (both Sansa series IIRC) so that I think that Rockbox just reads a wrong voltage somewhere |
| 00:20:04 | jhMikeS | one is probably the charger voltage and the other the actual battery voltage |
| 00:20:24 | austriancoder | Bagder: nope.. i will contact an target owner to fix this issue |
| 00:20:43 | austriancoder | I have a new patch to review: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7138 -> last comment |
| 00:20:45 | pixelma | bertrik: sounds good |
| 00:20:57 | bertrik | ADC_BVDD is the one that goes way up, ADC_RTCSUP stays more stable but does eventually go up to exactly the voltage configured in the charger |
| 00:21:13 | jhMikeS | 4.5V to the battery will damage it or even trip the protection for good so I'm pretty sure that would have to be the charger input |
| 00:22:07 | pixelma | austriancoder: there is a thread in the forums of a m:robe100 owner who asked if others have the problem too |
| 00:22:29 | bertrik | There is a very simple patch in the tracker to test this. I'm now working on a better version of the patch that also checks the end-of-charge bit in the charger. |
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| 00:23:08 | austriancoder | pixelma: i will check it |
| 00:23:26 | bertrik | My charger settings are now V=4.1V and I=C/3 (750/3=250 mA), I think this should be safe |
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| 00:24:07 | bertrik | There is a thread on the forum with some measurements that seems to suggest that the OF is actually much more aggressive with charge current and charge voltage |
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| 00:24:47 | jhMikeS | actually, I have a proper lithium ion chargin algorthm I found from panasonic - how to perform each stage and I plan on implementing that on the S |
| 00:26:34 | bertrik | I'm using the rockbox "CHARGING_MONITOR" charging configuration, which means mostly hardware controlled with software monitoring of the progress IIUC |
| 00:27:09 | LambdaCalculus3 | I'm adding some extra bits of functionality to disktidy. I'll post a patch once I'm done. |
| 00:27:23 | bertrik | once the charger indicates "end-of-charge" I disable the charger. To charge again, the sansa needs to be powercycled, is that a big problem? |
| 00:27:31 | austriancoder | pixelma: do you have the link by hand? |
| 00:27:59 | * | bertrik is waiting for the charger to indicate end-of-charge to test some code .... |
| 00:28:17 | pixelma | austriancoder: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16719.msg124406#msg124406 |
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| 00:29:49 | jhMikeS | gigabeat S has a current sense for charging so that algorithm really isn't sufficient for it since you can monitor during the constant voltage phase and stop at 10% of capacity |
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| 00:31:41 | bertrik | jhMikeS: what end voltage would you use? |
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| 00:33:40 | jhMikeS | 4.2V normally |
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| 00:36:25 | austriancoder | do i need something special to use DEBUGF like for LOGF? |
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| 00:40:28 | * | LambdaCalculus37 has now added "Desktop.ini" files from Windows to disktidy |
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| 00:42:58 | bertrik | I think disktidy can be made simpler and more elegant than it currently is, for example using a table of files to delete rather than writing it out in code |
| 00:43:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | bertrik: There's a patch in Flyspray for that. |
| 00:44:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | FS #8637 |
| 00:44:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | But the problem is that it ended up turning into a viewer-style plugin. |
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| 00:47:50 | bertrik | hmm, feature creep? |
| 00:50:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | bertrik: I'm going to try to sync the original version of FS #8637 to the current SVN. |
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| 01:08:12 | DerPapst | if you don't want the viewer style start with version 5.1 or modify JdGordon's version |
| 01:08:27 | * | DerPapst wonders if JdGordon forgot about disktidy.... |
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| 01:11:03 | austriancoder | FS #7138 last comment.. please review patch |
| 01:12:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | FS #8975... small disktidy patch with manual update. |
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| 01:18:08 | * | LambdaCalculus37 goes back to poke around at FS #8637 |
| 01:22:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hmmm... |
| 01:22:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | DerPapst: You know what? I think v5.1 of FS #8637 is a much more logical choice. |
| 01:23:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | Honestly, adding files and folders one or two at a time is rather tedious and is starting to bloat the code. |
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| 01:26:47 | DerPapst | maybe... but i think rockbox' config parser should be used for that |
| 01:27:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | DerPapst: Exactly. |
| 01:28:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | It allows for far more flexibility than my creeping stuff in can. |
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| 01:29:57 | amiconn | Yay :D |
| 01:30:11 | amiconn | Disk: 29.8GB Free: 29.5GB |
| 01:30:39 | * | amiconn now only needs to put everything back together properly |
| 01:30:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: What were you just doing? |
| 01:31:14 | amiconn | iPod mini G2 CF mod |
| 01:31:15 | pixelma | Mini CF mod |
| 01:31:21 | * | pixelma too slow |
| 01:32:15 | markun | amiconn: how much did the adapter and the memory cost? |
| 01:32:25 | amiconn | No adapter necessary... |
| 01:32:33 | markun | nice |
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| 01:32:55 | amiconn | The card (32GB Trancend) was 131EUR (amazon.de marketplace, including shipment) |
| 01:32:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Nice! |
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| 01:33:55 | * | pixelma curses LaTeX... |
| 01:34:17 | amiconn | Writing small blocks is somewhat slow, but that's expected |
| 01:34:37 | amiconn | For large blocks, the card is faster than the old microdrive |
| 01:35:18 | amiconn | (interestingly it's twice as fast for writing compared to reading 1MB blocks) |
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| 01:37:20 | * | LambdaCalculus37 curses LaTeX along with pixelma |
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| 01:39:32 | * | LambdaCalculus37 tries hard to get the Gigabeat S manual together but is still missing some key pieces |
| 01:41:21 | DerPapst | amiconn: does the OF still work? |
| 01:43:06 | * | pixelma just wanted to add missing key pad macros (and fix a wrong spelling) to the lamp.tex button table |
| 01:44:28 | pixelma | this makes the "quit" button show up correctly but then the "toggle colours" line just vanishes in all colour target manuals even those which are not affected by my 2-liner. It builds correctly though |
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| 01:46:56 | pixelma | I did not change anything in the \opt{lcd_color}{} part |
| 01:47:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Want to take a look at this? http://pastebin.com/m723913b4 |
| 01:47:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | Tell me how it looks so far. |
| 01:48:18 | jmworx | Any audiophiles in here who would like to test a next-gen Xiph audio codec? |
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| 01:49:49 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: first reaction "this reminds me of the still missing 'describe player for the blind' paragraph in the c200 manual - Febs started and posted a patch to the tracker but didn't finish... |
| 01:50:07 | pixelma | cool you also took care of this for the beast |
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| 01:54:40 | amiconn | wow |
| 01:55:05 | * | amiconn actually needed to squeeze some material between the CF card and the back of the case |
| 01:55:48 | amiconn | Otherwise the wheel would be loose, and more importantly, the connector would not fit into the hole of the bottom cover |
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| 01:57:34 | amiconn | Emergency diskmode is workind |
| 01:57:37 | amiconn | *working |
| 01:58:50 | amiconn | OF is also working as far as I can tell |
| 01:59:05 | amiconn | Also reports proper capacity |
| 01:59:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: What? You're kidding! What's the patch? |
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| 02:01:33 | DerPapst | amiconn: coolio. apple did a good job at this. |
| 02:02:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Yeah, I heard about that. The original mod described using a business card folded once as padding. |
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| 02:02:53 | * | amiconn also used some folded cardboard |
| 02:03:18 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8658 , just realised that this is in a state I *might* be able to work on because it already explains the thing I had trouble with (the button "square (?)" or so) quite well |
| 02:05:47 | pixelma | was unable (as a non-native speaker) to describe that in a short but accurate way |
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| 02:07:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Yes, it's described very well. |
| 02:08:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | This still needs a *lot* of work, but it's a start: http://pastebin.com/m4923cc89 |
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| 02:09:33 | B1b3r | hi , is there a way to get some games on my sansa e250 v2 ? thx |
| 02:09:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | No, there isn't. Rockbox doesn't work on the v2 Sansas. |
| 02:10:17 | B1b3r | oh :/ |
| 02:10:42 | B1b3r | :/ |
| 02:11:17 | B1b3r | so the only thing on my sansa i can upgrade is the firmware ? :D |
| 02:11:23 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: ping |
| 02:11:52 | advcomp2019 | B1b3r, if you want rockbox, you need a v1 not a v2 |
| 02:11:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | And the capacity. |
| 02:12:20 | B1b3r | yeh looks like |
| 02:12:56 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: nice, the only thing that worries me a bit (and made me check) is that gigabeatf and gigabeats look so similar because the only difference is the last letter after a few more (m5, x5 is better manageable) - had to look twice. |
| 02:13:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: It still needs a lot of work, though. I especially have to change the keymap to the S keymap. |
| 02:13:35 | B1b3r | is there a rockbox port in work for v2s ? |
| 02:13:53 | * | amiconn votes for renaming gigabeats to gigabeast ;) |
| 02:14:08 | * | LambdaCalculus37 seconds that vote ;) |
| 02:14:21 | * | DerPapst thirds it :-) |
| 02:14:32 | pixelma | maybe that makes it easier to distinguish... :) |
| 02:14:38 | amiconn | yup |
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| 02:15:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | Anyone have any objections to renaming the tags in the Gigabeat S manual from gigabeats to gigabeast? |
| 02:18:52 | pixelma | I think you can replace them easily, no matter what you call them now if used consistently... |
| 02:20:06 | * | Llorean thinks we should keep humor out of the tag naming, just to be "safe" |
| 02:21:22 | DerPapst | who cares? it's just the manual contributors anyway and if it helps them.... |
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| 02:26:47 | Nico_P | amiconn: does r17426 mean FS #8260 is fixed? |
| 02:27:58 | amiconn | uhm, didn't even know there was a flyspray report |
| 02:28:18 | amiconn | The original report sounds exactly like what I was experiencing, and it's fixed now |
| 02:28:56 | Nico_P | amiconn: it was also traced to r15444, which is when you added the sleep(HZ/50) |
| 02:29:06 | Nico_P | I'll close it as fixed |
| 02:29:29 | amiconn | More importantly, it was when I added disk poweroff for PP502x targets |
| 02:29:37 | Nico_P | yes |
| 02:29:38 | amiconn | (ipods, actually) |
| 02:29:50 | Nico_P | I couldn't remember the "name" of the feature :) |
| 02:30:15 | amiconn | The HZ/50 were just a safety measure which turned out to be not safe enough |
| 02:30:23 | Nico_P | I was unsure about whether it fixed the issue reported in FS #8260 because you didn't mention the 5.5G in your commit |
| 02:30:37 | Nico_P | did you speak with jhMikeS about it? |
| 02:31:05 | amiconn | Some comments seem to be unrelated though (e.g. the first one - sansa e280 isn't hdd based) |
| 02:31:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: Would gigbeat-s be ok? |
| 02:31:51 | amiconn | Nico_P: You could of course test on G5.5, with th especial kludge disabled, although I doubt that it's the same problem |
| 02:32:08 | amiconn | The mini even showed this dropout which the kludge enabled |
| 02:33:14 | * | amiconn still doesn't understand why he didn't notice it earlier |
| 02:33:20 | Nico_P | I never had that problem on the 5.5G, but IIRC GodEater had it. I will try but I'm almost sure the issue is unrelated, as you said |
| 02:33:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | Nico_P: What problem was this? |
| 02:33:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | Just curious. |
| 02:34:02 | Nico_P | LambdaCalculus37: FS #8260, audio dropouts |
| 02:34:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | Nico_P: Ahh. |
| 02:35:13 | amiconn | The strange thing is that my other PP502x target (H10, PP5020) was totally unaffected. It might be a PP5022 specific bug |
| 02:36:00 | amiconn | Then it would also apply to G5 and G5.5 |
| 02:36:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yep. |
| 02:36:46 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: if I was you I would probably stick to "gigabeats" for now because that's what you're used to. We can still decide on a rename later, as I said if it's used consistently you could replace it quite easily I guess |
| 02:37:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: "gigabeats" it is. |
| 02:37:29 | Nico_P | amiconn: it was definitely reported on the 5.5G at leasr |
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| 02:37:45 | * | LambdaCalculus37 fixes up all instances of "gigabeast" on the manual |
| 02:37:55 | Nico_P | amiconn: I think you're going to have a few more fans for fixing that one :) |
| 02:37:56 | * | pixelma sleeps |
| 02:38:04 | DerPapst | good night :-) |
| 02:38:09 | amiconn | We'll see |
| 02:38:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | Good night! |
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| 02:40:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | Nico_P: Some Gigabeast manual work; can you check the highlighted spot and tell me if the buttons sound right? http://pastebin.com/db562430 |
| 02:41:37 | Nico_P | the names sound right, yeah |
| 02:43:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | Now I've got to change all of the keymaps from the F keys to the S keys. |
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| 02:47:29 | * | Nico_P goes to bed |
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| 02:48:56 | * | LambdaCalculus37 is going to go relax for a while |
| 02:49:24 | voltagex | new H340 turned up today!!! |
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| 03:04:07 | Romanian | Hiya all |
| 03:04:12 | Romanian | Anyone here have the Zune? |
| 03:04:22 | RoC_MasterMind | I can't seem to get rockbox to play any videos. |
| 03:04:43 | RoC_MasterMind | I am transcoding with vlc, like 512kb mpeg2 PS, I tried both audio as mpeg audio and mp3 128k. |
| 03:05:14 | RoC_MasterMind | One it just shows a black screen, the other it shows an initial screen but nothing after that, then after that it fills with colored static and is frozen |
| 03:05:20 | Romanian | RoC_MasterMind: |
| 03:05:23 | Romanian | download WinFF |
| 03:06:27 | RoC_MasterMind | my friend has a zune |
| 03:06:27 | Romanian | RoC_MasterMind: Which music player do you have? |
| 03:06:33 | RoC_MasterMind | toshiba gigabeat f40 |
| 03:06:35 | Romanian | And what is your operating system? |
| 03:06:44 | RoC_MasterMind | same price as ipod 4th gen but color screen and 2x bigger hard drive |
| 03:06:53 | RoC_MasterMind | rockbox is on the gigabeat, my friends zune is original OS |
| 03:07:01 | Romanian | I mean your computer |
| 03:07:07 | RoC_MasterMind | Ubuntu 7.10. |
| 03:07:15 | Romanian | ah, nice :) |
| 03:07:24 | Romanian | http://winff.googlecode.com/files/winff-0.291-i386.deb |
| 03:07:26 | Romanian | download that |
| 03:07:36 | Romanian | and then replace the presets.xml list with.... |
| 03:07:45 | RoC_MasterMind | they removed xmms in 8.04 and audacity wastes playlist space with whitespace and has lag |
| 03:07:52 | Llorean | Romanian: Why recommend an outdated version? |
| 03:07:58 | Llorean | 0.41 comes with Rockbox presets built in. |
| 03:08:06 | RoC_MasterMind | I think i might be able to install it from my own repo, but I'll sitck with 7.10 for now on my dekstop |
| 03:08:11 | RoC_MasterMind | I got hte latest version installing right now of winff |
| 03:08:22 | Romanian | Llorean: Does it? I wasn't aware. |
| 03:08:28 | Llorean | RoC_MasterMind: xmms /audacity /etc is irrelevant here. |
| 03:08:41 | RoC_MasterMind | duh |
| 03:08:49 | Romanian | I've been away from RockBox/computers for a while |
| 03:08:53 | Llorean | RoC_MasterMind: My point is, this is an on-topic channel. |
| 03:09:04 | RoC_MasterMind | Ahh...it wasn't for a minute there. |
| 03:09:21 | Romanian | Llorean: Do I know you from a different IRC channel? |
| 03:09:25 | Llorean | No. |
| 03:09:33 | Romanian | Okay. |
| 03:11:43 | RoC_MasterMind | dang...winff looks cool but ffmpeg gives me error when I goto convert: http://pastebin.ca/1012249 |
| 03:12:22 | Llorean | RoC_MasterMind: This is most likely because the ubuntu version of it comes without an MP3 encoder. |
| 03:12:41 | RoC_MasterMind | I wonder what that package is |
| 03:12:50 | Romanian | RoC_MasterMind: sudo apt-get install lame |
| 03:12:56 | Llorean | That won't fix the problem. |
| 03:12:57 | Romanian | that's the MP3 encoder |
| 03:13:06 | Llorean | ffmpeg has to be compiled with it in. |
| 03:13:06 | Romanian | but I don't know if it'll work with WinFF |
| 03:13:15 | RoC_MasterMind | lame is already installed |
| 03:13:28 | RoC_MasterMind | hmm |
| 03:13:30 | RoC_MasterMind | that's LAME |
| 03:13:30 | Llorean | You'll need to compile your own build of ffmpeg to get mp3 support in it. |
| 03:14:25 | RoC_MasterMind | if I knew the right options I'm sure VLC could do it |
| 03:14:44 | RoC_MasterMind | WHat's wrong with 512kb mpeg2 PS, I tried both audio as mpeg audio and mp3 128k. |
| 03:14:46 | Llorean | Well the PluginMpegplayer wiki page tells the requirements for a file to play in Rockbox. |
| 03:14:51 | RoC_MasterMind | yeah yeah |
| 03:14:55 | RoC_MasterMind | I've tried it like four times |
| 03:15:06 | Romanian | Llorean: do you know anything about the A3/ |
| 03:15:32 | Llorean | RoC_MasterMind: There's a sample command line for VLC even, are you using that? |
| 03:15:36 | Llorean | Romanian: No. |
| 03:15:41 | RoC_MasterMind | let me find that |
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| 03:25:32 | DerPapst_ | flyspray is still yelling at me Warning: mime_magic: invalid type 0 in mconvert(). in /usr/share/flyspray/htdocs/includes/class.flyspray.php on line 967 |
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| 03:50:17 | yeal` | hi |
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| 03:50:38 | yeal` | what program do you guys use to convert flv/youtube to mpeg 4 video? |
| 03:51:11 | Hillshum | stay on topic please |
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| 03:53:25 | Overand | I have a build from mid to late 2007 running on my iPod 5g, 60G - will I need to update the bootloader or anything weird? |
| 03:53:28 | yeal` | this is for ipod |
| 03:53:31 | Overand | I've updated the bootloader once. |
| 03:53:36 | Llorean | yeal`: Rockbox does not play mpeg 4. |
| 03:53:55 | Llorean | Overand: You shouldn't need to, I think. |
| 03:54:11 | yeal` | rockbox has mpeg playback |
| 03:54:23 | Llorean | mpeg-1 and mpeg-2. |
| 03:54:45 | Overand | Llorean: I've been holding off on updating because this version has been nearly flawless, and i'd gone to builds before that weren't as stable |
| 03:54:57 | Overand | if i don't need to make a bootloader change i may just back up the old install though |
| 03:55:06 | Llorean | Backing up the old install is never a bad idea. |
| 03:55:26 | Overand | i remember there was a change that required a booloader update |
| 03:55:36 | Overand | i think it was when another core got enabled or somesuch |
| 03:55:40 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 03:56:00 | Llorean | The bootloader for that dates to early '07, if I recall. |
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| 03:56:10 | Overand | probably |
| 03:56:11 | Overand | heh |
| 03:56:46 | yeal` | what program do you guys use to convert flv/youtube to mpeg 2 video? |
| 03:57:10 | Llorean | yeal`: the PluginMpegplayer page in the wiki suggests several ones that work really well. |
| 03:58:38 | Overand | it has mpeg2 support now? |
| 03:58:50 | Llorean | Overand: The video player has always been mpeg-1/2 |
| 03:58:54 | Overand | or did it always - ithought it only did 1 |
| 03:58:55 | Overand | weird |
| 03:59:16 | Llorean | People often misrepresent it. There's a real problem with people spreading bad information, unfortunately. They just don't read the documentation. |
| 03:59:36 | Overand | I assume that the 'tv-out' chip han't been figuredo ut yet |
| 03:59:57 | yeal` | do all of you use an ipod for rockbox? |
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| 04:00:00 | Llorean | Very little is done with the specialty hardware in the iPod 5G in Rockbox. It's really currently the worst target to play video on, really. |
| 04:00:17 | Overand | Llorean: Yeah - but I'm not hugely interested in it for video |
| 04:00:23 | * | Overand has an eeepc |
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| 04:00:39 | Overand | I carry that nearly everywhere I carry my iPod that would be a place i'd potentially want video |
| 04:00:43 | yeal` | do you use linux or windows on your eeepc |
| 04:00:48 | Overand | yeal`: xubuntu |
| 04:00:49 | scorche | yeal`: offtopic.. |
| 04:00:53 | Overand | g'point |
| 04:01:03 | Overand | yeal`: see topic, join |
| 04:01:26 | yeal` | what is the current topic? |
| 04:01:42 | Llorean | yeal`: Rockbox. |
| 04:01:44 | yeal` | oh |
| 04:01:48 | yeal` | we have a fixed topic now? |
| 04:01:55 | Llorean | There's always been a fixed topic in here. |
| 04:02:01 | Llorean | Please read the IrcGuidelines page in the wiki. |
| 04:02:21 | yeal` | yeah, like you were here when we started this channel |
| 04:02:36 | scorche | we? |
| 04:02:41 | yeal` | ? |
| 04:02:50 | JdGordon | holy crap! green table! |
| 04:03:04 | * | JdGordon goes to work fixing that |
| 04:03:05 | Llorean | JdGordon: Indeed, and it's stayed that way for a little while now. Be Careful. |
| 04:04:24 | yeal` | what aspect ratio should i use 16:9 or 4:3 ? |
| 04:04:30 | yeal` | for the ipod |
| 04:04:35 | yeal` | so it is widescreen and the same |
| 04:04:53 | Llorean | You use the aspect ratio of the original video. |
| 04:05:06 | Llorean | Widescreen is usually 16:9 |
| 04:05:08 | yeal` | ? |
| 04:05:34 | yeal` | i think it is 320 by 240 |
| 04:05:39 | Llorean | "?" tells me very little about what part of the sentence confused you. Since I think it contains enough information, I don't know how to restate it without you being more explicit as to which part gave you problem. |
| 04:06:08 | yeal` | how do i find asepect ratio of flv files |
| 04:06:16 | Llorean | 320x240 is 4:3, you'll notice that 320/4 = 240/3 |
| 04:06:40 | yeal` | oh |
| 04:06:51 | yeal` | so 16:9 is 1600/920 or something |
| 04:06:52 | yeal` | ? |
| 04:06:58 | Llorean | No. |
| 04:07:15 | Llorean | 16:9 is any video where width/16 = height/9. |
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| 04:12:13 | saratoga | hmm the Gigabeast CPU "book" is almot 2400 pages long |
| 04:13:18 | Llorean | At least it ought to be useful. |
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| 04:28:32 | yeal` | does rockbox or ipod like .mpg files or .avi files more? |
| 04:29:36 | cool_walking_ | Rockbox only supports MPEG1/2 - see http://rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer |
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| 04:31:17 | yeal` | oh |
| 04:31:21 | yeal` | how is ipod os different |
| 04:31:29 | yeal` | does it like .avi or .mpg more? |
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| 04:31:46 | aliask | ... |
| 04:31:54 | cool_walking_ | I was going to say that... |
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| 05:07:11 | alienbiker99 | hmm i m trying to build after this latest S commit, but i am getting multiple warnings regarding the LANG_BRIGHTNESS |
| 05:09:37 | aliask | alienbiker99: make clean then make |
| 05:09:43 | alienbiker99 | ok |
| 05:13:23 | alienbiker99 | thanks, that worked |
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| 05:50:07 | HiddenShadow | hi, i was wondering how i could delete my database and rebuild it, or if i just go to init. now, will that rebuild it for me? |
| 05:56:09 | HiddenShadow | never mind i got it...im still confused though since it says its found more than 5000+ entries...i only have around 3000 sounds, or does the 5000+ entries mean something else? (tags etc, etc.) |
| 05:56:19 | HiddenShadow | 3000 songs* |
| 05:57:37 | saratoga | i think that usually means you have songs on the disk you don't know about |
| 05:58:07 | HiddenShadow | weird...cuz i deleted the songs itunes had on there (from ipod_control/music) |
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| 06:00:36 | HiddenShadow | anyways whatever, im just happy i dont have to touch itunes, even if rockbox gives me lower battery life..but then again i might have to use it for videos/photos because its faster :P |
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| 06:08:19 | AdRock420 | ????. My Sansa e260 just fully crapped out on me after only 3 months. I love rockbox to death and was wondering out of the mp3 player builds, which is my best bet for reliability and quality when using rockbox? I'm done with sansa and thier crap hardware. Any suggestions |
| 06:08:53 | AdRock420 | As far as which mp3 player to get that will be the best to use with rockbox software |
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| 06:22:06 | HiddenShadow | wow...someones impatient. |
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| 06:47:04 | blizzyblunt | is there anywhere on the main site to find out which build is coming along faster for a cowon d2 and a cowon iaudio 7? |
| 06:48:10 | saratoga | i don't think there is a port to 7, so it would be the D2 |
| 06:50:19 | saratoga | hmm actually there is, didn't notice some of that went in |
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| 06:56:37 | jpt9 | Hey. |
| 06:56:48 | jpt9 | When'd you guys get rid of the light blue background on the boot screen? |
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| 06:58:16 | yeal` | hi |
| 06:58:19 | yeal` | where is album art usually saved at |
| 06:58:28 | yeal` | i check my ipod directory and it does not ahve any jpg filesin it |
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| 07:01:50 | yeal` | ? |
| 07:01:51 | saratoga | jpt9: tuesday I think |
| 07:01:56 | yeal` | where is album art usually saved at |
| 07:01:59 | yeal` | i check my ipod directory and it does not ahve any jpg filesin it |
| 07:02:11 | saratoga | yeal': don't repeat questions |
| 07:02:26 | advcomp2019 | yeal`, you read the album art wiki? |
| 07:02:32 | saratoga | rockbox doesn't support jpeg album art anyway |
| 07:02:32 | advcomp2019 | did^ |
| 07:06:32 | yeal` | well i am not sure that the album art is saved as jpg |
| 07:06:43 | yeal` | just the original files are jpg |
| 07:06:47 | yeal` | then you copy it to id3 |
| 07:06:48 | yeal` | or someting |
| 07:08:22 | HiddenShadow | it only takes bmp's...i tried using the rockbox aa on the wiki, it was horrible |
| 07:08:33 | yeal` | where does it save bmps? |
| 07:08:50 | HiddenShadow | It doesn't? |
| 07:09:14 | yeal` | ? |
| 07:09:17 | yeal` | oh |
| 07:09:18 | yeal` | neat |
| 07:09:19 | HiddenShadow | you have to convert it from the jpeg or get the album art seperately and put it into a 100x100 bmp |
| 07:09:22 | HiddenShadow | i think* |
| 07:09:26 | yeal` | yeah |
| 07:09:30 | yeal` | but where is the bmp at? |
| 07:09:34 | yeal` | i don't see it in the file folder |
| 07:09:43 | HiddenShadow | do you use itunes/ |
| 07:09:46 | HiddenShadow | ?* |
| 07:10:00 | yeal` | yes |
| 07:10:02 | yeal` | i use itunes |
| 07:11:02 | HiddenShadow | well if you got the artwork from itunes store, it puts it into a lame file which isn't a jpeg :/ |
| 07:11:12 | HiddenShadow | cuz i just checked: C:\Documents and Settings\[YOUR USERNAME]\My Documents\My Music\iTunes\Album Artwork |
| 07:11:18 | yeal` | oh |
| 07:11:32 | HiddenShadow | and it shows a bunch of folders with files in them (which aren't jpg) |
| 07:11:46 | HiddenShadow | .ITC* |
| 07:12:10 | yeal` | my album art ain't there |
| 07:12:23 | HiddenShadow | :/ |
| 07:12:25 | yeal` | is it saved in the id3 or properities is it saved in the mp3 file? |
| 07:12:37 | yeal` | i think it is saved in the id3 tag |
| 07:12:41 | yeal` | but i don't know how |
| 07:12:55 | saratoga | this probably isn't the best place to ask about how itunes works |
| 07:13:57 | yeal` | i am asking how mp3 and id3 tags work |
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| 07:28:37 | HiddenShadow | yeal: im stuck in the same boat as you :/ |
| 07:28:53 | HiddenShadow | and ive just gotten off that boat and given up...for sleep that is :P |
| 07:29:17 | HiddenShadow | but i think album art can be embedded into a mp3 |
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| 07:29:32 | HiddenShadow | so you'd have to do it yourself one by one or find a batch program |
| 07:29:41 | HiddenShadow | its just that itunes doesn't do it |
| 07:31:23 | HiddenShadow | you should use media monkey, it embeds the album art |
| 07:31:39 | HiddenShadow | but then again, does rockbox use embedded album art? or only bmp's |
| 07:31:56 | HiddenShadow | which are seperately placed |
| 07:32:27 | advcomp2019 | there is a tool called rockaa that you could try |
| 07:32:49 | HiddenShadow | or i didn't understand it |
| 07:32:49 | HiddenShadow | tried it and didn't help |
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| 07:33:31 | yeal` | i put a post on winamp forum, i hope someone can tell me how album art gets saved there i guess |
| 07:33:48 | yeal` | i heard media monkey is slow because itis rough on the cpu |
| 07:35:47 | advcomp2019 | on the album art wiki, there is RockAA.. i have good luck with it |
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| 07:37:21 | yeal` | i am using iARt to get album art right now |
| 07:37:24 | yeal` | it uses itunes |
| 07:37:38 | yeal` | and relies on amazon and google search database |
| 07:37:44 | yeal` | it can automatically find the album art too |
| 07:37:53 | yeal` | it found only 70% of my 5k library though |
| 07:37:57 | yeal` | i have to find the rest |
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| 07:40:22 | yeal` | i am using rockbox only because it can sort files by album artists |
| 07:41:05 | yeal` | actually i guess i could use ipod os if i make them all compliation albums |
| 07:41:10 | yeal` | the ones that are problematic |
| 07:41:24 | yeal` | i just might |
| 07:41:32 | B4gder | monologue time! |
| 07:42:42 | B4gder | yeal`: the Rockbox AA approach is documented, use that or you won't get to see AA in rockbox. As simple as that |
| 07:43:29 | yeal` | what do you mean |
| 07:43:38 | yeal` | i could add album art through winamp |
| 07:43:41 | yeal` | there are many ways |
| 07:43:57 | yeal` | and the album art stays there even if i move the song files to different folders |
| 07:43:59 | B4gder | if all is good then fine |
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| 08:08:30 | mrkiko | Hi all! Surely something is not going right with rockbox in my case. Sometimes when I re-start the player, rockbox resumes the wrong file :) |
| 08:13:58 | aliask | At the moment the gigabeast keymap file is kind of inconsistent - especially with regard to cancelling stuff. I want to get a consistent keymap, but I need input |
| 08:16:24 | aliask | As it stands both the back button and the power button are being used (in different places) to perform cancel-like actions. Do I make it so that either work, or only power, or only back? |
| 08:20:03 | Llorean | aliask: On most players, the "stop" function/button serves as "back" in many cases. I'd say that it should probably be both. |
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| 08:21:07 | aliask | That brings up another point, what do we want stop to be? Back, or long play? |
| 08:21:30 | Llorean | Power. |
| 08:21:56 | aliask | I'd be happy with that. |
| 08:22:29 | aliask | Oh, it's already that. Goodo. |
| 08:23:33 | aliask | Also, should we start updating the images in the manual with screenshots of the menu with the new default theme rather than the outdated rockbox-blue/sysfont look? |
| 08:24:02 | Llorean | I'd say it's not a big deal, but it's worth doing at some point so no harm in getting a start on it. |
| 08:24:29 | * | aliask takes note and adds all this to his todo |
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| 09:19:40 | amiconn | hi petur |
| 09:19:52 | petur | hiya |
| 09:20:03 | amiconn | Is there anything specific I should document of my Mini CF mod? |
| 09:20:18 | petur | did you need to do anything special? |
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| 09:22:28 | amiconn | First an ipod specific thing: I needed to dd the MBR + firmware partition, in order to avoid needing ipodupdater and installing the bootloader again |
| 09:23:51 | amiconn | The other 2 special things are purely mechanical: |
| 09:24:17 | amiconn | The rubber corners from the microdrive need to be left out, otherwise the mini wouldn't fit into its case (the microdrive is actually 1mm less wide than a regular cf card), but they're not needed anymore anyway |
| 09:24:56 | MauS | Hey amiconn ^_^ |
| 09:24:59 | amiconn | and I had to put some folded cardboard between the crad and the back of the case in order to support the pcb + cf card sandwich |
| 09:25:00 | MauS | Good morning :D |
| 09:25:25 | MauS | amiconn, any news about the rippling/blanking bug on M3? |
| 09:25:29 | amiconn | Everything else worked right out of the box |
| 09:25:50 | amiconn | MauS: Not yet, but this is the bug I'll tackle next, now that I solved the dropout on Mini |
| 09:26:16 | petur | amiconn: you think we should convert the CFMod wiki page to a list of moddable targets and something with pictures to show the process for each? |
| 09:26:27 | MauS | amiconn, i've read some reports of successful using Rockbox on M3. Am i a loser? :) |
| 09:27:10 | linuxstb | petur: Maybe keep the CFMod page as an index page (with lists of compatible targets and CF cards), but put device-specific instructions on their own pages? |
| 09:27:57 | petur | I think most stuff on the CFMod page is obsolete except maybe the table with CF cards |
| 09:28:24 | petur | and my h300 bootloader, which all h300 modders seem to use ;) |
| 09:28:25 | amiconn | MauS: I am using it successfully on M3. And no, you're not a loser, you're just experiencing differences in hardware behaviour between individual devices |
| 09:28:43 | MauS | Oh i see |
| 09:29:07 | amiconn | I need to make the transfer slower in order to make it work reliable on all iaudios, but this slowdown should be kept as little as possible |
| 09:29:21 | amiconn | That's why I need to prepare a set of test builds |
| 09:31:01 | amiconn | petur: Do you want me to add the card's identify info? |
| 09:31:47 | petur | if you think it is worth it... so far it looks like all cards now work... |
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| 09:33:26 | aliask | Is there a way to get the output of latex to be slightly less verbose, debugging is near impossible with so much crap |
| 09:37:44 | GodEater | latex >& /dev/null ? :D |
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| 09:39:01 | linuxstb | aliask: Fix the warnings... |
| 09:39:58 | aliask | No thanks... :P |
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| 09:58:52 | n1s | hmm, no .pdf version of the gigabeast's front image, I guess that's what breaks the build for me... |
| 09:59:18 | aliask | Inkscape can't export a working pdf unfortunately |
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| 10:00:01 | n1s | any idea how the others were made? |
| 10:00:22 | aliask | I think CorelDraw was used to create the other svg's - that probably can export to pdf |
| 10:01:50 | n1s | maybe someone with coreldraw can import the svg and export pdf then... |
| 10:02:16 | n1s | aliask: btw, do you think FS #8792 can be closed now? |
| 10:03:04 | aliask | Definitely. |
| 10:08:11 | * | LinusN doesn't understand why disktidy is a viewer in FS #8637 |
| 10:11:45 | petur | first you view the dirt? |
| 10:12:23 | LinusN | well, it is a viewer for .dtdy files (the config files) |
| 10:13:21 | petur | bah... with that logic, you can make patience a viewer of its saved games... |
| 10:14:04 | LinusN | my thinking as well |
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| 10:30:47 | aliask | pixelma: Hi there! |
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| 10:30:59 | pixelma | aliask, n1s: the final brush up of the other svg were all made with inkscape as well. The pdfs were created by exporting an eps file from inkscape and then running epstopdf |
| 10:31:19 | pixelma | I believe it's in the wiki somewhere, I'll search |
| 10:31:23 | aliask | Aha. Thanks :) |
| 10:31:46 | * | pondlife also votes for disktidy to NOT be a viewer, as if anyone cared... |
| 10:32:06 | pixelma | aliask: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LatexGuidelines#SVG_images |
| 10:32:11 | linuxstb | Why does disktidy need to have any config at all? i.e. just delete all files for all OSes... |
| 10:33:57 | pixelma | aliask: did you know that LambdaCalculus also worked on a gigabeast manual? (or is this his work? |
| 10:34:10 | aliask | No, I had no idea |
| 10:34:25 | aliask | Did he post his work anywhere? |
| 10:34:31 | pondlife | linuxstb: I agree with you.. who introduced the config option? |
| 10:35:14 | LinusN | a config option is still nice for the user, if he wants to clean file that disktidy doesn't know about |
| 10:35:44 | pondlife | Ah, I thought it was just a choice of OS... I'm out of date, I fear |
| 10:35:59 | pondlife | That's what happens when you go away for weeks. |
| 10:37:07 | pondlife | LinusN: Any closer to a new H300 bootloader release, or are we waiting for you and petur to get to DevCon? |
| 10:37:37 | LinusN | i have very little time to work on it before devcon |
| 10:37:45 | pondlife | No problem. |
| 10:38:07 | pondlife | It'll be nice to not have the background colour change 3 times on boot though :) |
| 10:38:11 | pixelma | aliask: he showed parts of it (posted on pastebin), the links must be in today's log even (maybe started in late yesterday's) |
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| 10:46:59 | petur | LinusN: I now have my bootloader also hang up many times when attaching USB... weird stuff happening :/ |
| 10:49:55 | LinusN | ouch |
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| 11:04:38 | aliask | Hrm, my computer didn't seem to like that EPS. There also seem to some glitches in the eps->pdf conversion process. |
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| 11:08:52 | jhMikeS | amiconn: so the core was indeed hanging after all? I suppose it makes sense. Only thing is that on S, I may want to put the whole sleep inside ide_power_enable to wait for power to stabilize before turning the bus switch on. |
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| 11:14:59 | pixelma | aliask: what happens? I seem to remember that I also had a problem at first (pdfs were rotated when I didn't want them to) and it turned out that I had an older version of epstopdf, updating helped |
| 11:17:56 | aliask | Hard to explain, the face of the player had vertical stripes on it, the outline strokes of objects were thicker than they should have been and a few other little things |
| 11:18:27 | aliask | But at the moment opening any files made from the svg instantly eat 100% of my ram and slow my PC to a crawl... |
| 11:21:04 | B4gder | all these new flash targets are crap as tower components |
| 11:26:18 | timmy8765 | hey, is the current build for ipod video broken? |
| 11:26:36 | pixelma | aliask: the transparency is probably the problem here |
| 11:27:38 | aliask | pixelma: Any quick fixes? |
| 11:28:16 | pixelma | is it only one object that is transparent? |
| 11:28:21 | linuxstb | timmy8765: I don't think anyone else has reported problems. What's wrong? |
| 11:28:43 | timmy8765 | I upgraded from a few days ago, and my scroll wheel won't work |
| 11:29:03 | timmy8765 | I already tried reinstalling, and the apple firmware works fine |
| 11:31:18 | aliask | pixelma: You mean the invisible layer "reference"? |
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| 11:33:30 | pixelma | aliask: I mean alpha transparency and it seems to be used in a few places (can't understand why for the things I found btw.) |
| 11:34:35 | aliask | I made this thing ages ago, so I don't really remember what I did exactly. I'll take a look through it and see if getting rid of the alpha helps things along |
| 11:37:32 | pixelma | I can only open this svg in inkscape (I can open the others in CorelDraw as well and work on them), so I think it's not standard. I'll probably give improving it a go anyways but not now... |
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| 11:39:50 | pixelma | I had problems with alpha transparency too (with the e200.svg that I got from someone else and only wanted to label correctly etc.), removing the alpha completely fixed it |
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| 12:17:25 | linuxstb | Do we have an official Gigabeat S bootloader download? |
| 12:17:56 | GodEater | if we do it's new since yesterday |
| 12:18:01 | GodEater | cos BigBambi had to build me one |
| 12:18:17 | BigBambi | the one I built it still there |
| 12:18:22 | BigBambi | if anyone wants it |
| 12:18:58 | BigBambi | linuxstb: I guess the problem is we can't offer the dual boot one, and at this stage you really do want that (for charging) |
| 12:19:01 | B4gder | if we just have some confidence in one, we could put it up for download |
| 12:20:14 | BigBambi | B4gder: But we can't redistribute the patched OF one, can we? |
| 12:20:42 | B4gder | true |
| 12:20:56 | B4gder | I was thinking about the rockbox one |
| 12:21:23 | BigBambi | Yep, but since RB doesn't do charging yet, dual boot for most people is probably kind of important |
| 12:22:02 | * | linuxstb is currently drafting some install instructions |
| 12:22:10 | GodEater | do you need that BL even to charge over the DC power cord ? |
| 12:22:15 | GodEater | or is it just for charging over USB ? |
| 12:22:25 | BigBambi | GodEater: Good point, don't know |
| 12:22:32 | linuxstb | BigBambi: Ah, that explains why my S doesn't seem to charge then... |
| 12:23:01 | BigBambi | linuxstb: yeah, you need to enable charging in software |
| 12:23:13 | BigBambi | I don't know if that is for mains as well, or just usb |
| 12:25:09 | GodEater | someone should try it and see :) |
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| 12:25:51 | * | jhMikeS has charged his battery in rockbox but won't commit code without a proper algorithm |
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| 12:26:40 | jhMikeS | it's my next thing to do anyway |
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| 12:28:59 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Nice... Do you think that will be enough for a "v1.0" bootloader release? |
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| 12:31:43 | n1s | linuxstb: i wanted to get some things in like turning off the backlight in bootloader usb mode and displaying the battery voltage but i guess it can wait to v1.1 |
| 12:32:32 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: Actualy I'm adding backlight handling in there atm but that's not such a big thing. Charging needs a new algorithm so if it can charge and handle that, I'd say it's probably very close. I'm still bugged about the "unhandled IRQ" stuff - which really has the core in interrupt mode with no pending interrupt. |
| 12:33:35 | linuxstb | IMO, a v1 release doesn't need to be perfect - just have the important features (USB, charging, ???) working well enough. |
| 12:35:17 | * | amiconn would suggest to use simple vN version numbers for the S bootloader |
| 12:36:47 | * | linuxstb too |
| 12:36:59 | * | jhMikeS extends that to vX.Y where "X" increments on release and "Y" increments on significant development changes and get's reset to 0 when "X" increments |
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| 12:37:34 | linuxstb | vX.Y can simply be known by their SVN revision... |
| 12:37:57 | jhMikeS | how about adding display of the revision number then? |
| 12:38:34 | n1s | i think just v1, v2 is nicer |
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| 12:40:35 | jhMikeS | keep the vN but also show the SVN revision is what I was saying |
| 12:43:31 | BigBambi | on intermediates sure, but I think for releases just the vN would be nicer |
| 12:49:32 | * | preglow doesn't see a point with versioning stuff that isn't released |
| 12:49:44 | preglow | svn revision is a good enough version as anything for unreleased cases |
| 12:50:45 | BigBambi | sure, but if the vN is already there you can either remove or leave it for non-releases. I don't think it really matters to much :) |
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| 13:00:32 | linuxstb | IIRC, the other bootloader show "vN" for releases, and the SVN revision for non-releases. |
| 13:01:23 | * | linuxstb made a first attempt at some install instructions - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatSInstallation |
| 13:03:26 | jhMikeS | Isn't this TFAT thing based off FAT64? |
| 13:03:40 | GodEater | so the wikipedia article suggests |
| 13:04:50 | jhMikeS | aka. exFAT. this factoid info is also available at the Microsoft site and the Wikipedia article was mostly just a cut and paste from that |
| 13:06:58 | BigBambi | linuxstb: looks good to me |
| 13:07:24 | BigBambi | The lack of an OF nk.bin is a real arse though |
| 13:08:33 | GodEater | why do we need one ? |
| 13:08:40 | BigBambi | linuxstb: Perhaps that page ought to have some kind of disclaimer at the top about there not currently being an official way to uninstall? (without 'locating' an OF nk.bin) |
| 13:09:21 | BigBambi | GodEater: for both dual booting, and more importantly, uninstalling |
| 13:09:35 | GodEater | what's wrong with the Gigabeat V updater ? |
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| 13:09:55 | BigBambi | We still can't officially distribute it |
| 13:10:14 | BigBambi | As it is hacked to recognise the S |
| 13:10:37 | BigBambi | The OF nk.bin is available, I'm just talking about what we can officially supply |
| 13:10:47 | GodEater | ok I get understand now |
| 13:10:59 | GodEater | brain not fully engaged with typing fingers it seems |
| 13:12:27 | * | jhMikeS never used the V updater since it never worked for him and used the restore instead |
| 13:16:50 | jhMikeS | we need a "getfirm" or functionality in sendfirm to yank the nk.bin from the player if that's possible |
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| 13:19:10 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I would be very surprised if that's possible - I can't think of a reason why they would have put that in the MTP spec... |
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| 13:21:04 | * | jhMikeS hasn't read the MTP spec and requests clarification |
| 13:21:55 | linuxstb | IIRC, sendfirm uses the MTP "sendfirm" command. |
| 13:22:17 | * | linuxstb doesn't think the MTP spec is public... |
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| 13:23:03 | linuxstb | Looking at the source, is uses the sendfile command with the FILETYPE_FIRMWARE flag |
| 13:25:11 | Nico_P | to get a file you need its ID. nk.bin has no ID |
| 13:25:29 | Nico_P | sendfirm returns one, but it's bogus |
| 13:28:38 | linuxstb | And by then it's too late anyway... |
| 13:29:21 | Nico_P | yes |
| 13:30:32 | linuxstb | Maybe it's worth asking the libmtp people? |
| 13:31:09 | Nico_P | yes, maybe they know something. at least they could tell us whether the mtp spec includes something of the kind |
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| 13:37:07 | * | jhMikeS gets ticked at the current codebase re: BOOTLOADER since modules used by the gigabeat S bootloader need to be built much like they're for the core |
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| 13:39:14 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I'm agreeing with that - for my telechips ports, I'm making the bootloader as close to a normal build as I can as well. |
| 13:39:24 | preglow | each sd command can only have one response type, yes? |
| 13:40:04 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: I sort of hacked usb.c to deal with that but it's not clean way imo |
| 13:41:03 | jhMikeS | There's also little regard to properly closing the modules (I don't was SPI transfers in progress to the PMIC when code switches over - that goes for RoLo as well) |
| 13:45:34 | * | preglow kind of wishes the bootloaders would be out of the main rockbox source tree |
| 13:45:45 | preglow | but i see how that might mean lots of work... |
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| 13:55:31 | jhMikeS | The approach for usb was to define USB_FULL_INIT used in place of where BOOTLOADER was originally and is used if firware is being made or if the target specifies the whole driver regardless |
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| 15:23:44 | * | LambdaCalculus37 sees that aliask beat him to the punch with Gigabeast manual work :P |
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| 15:31:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Looks like aliask beat me to the punch with the initial beast manual work. |
| 15:32:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | But at the same time, it gives me something to expand on. :) |
| 15:32:22 | pixelma | I know, already talked to him a bit about it |
| 15:33:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yeah, I saw the logs. |
| 15:35:13 | pixelma | his svg is giving me trouble, can't make it work correctly in anything else than inkscape - and even there I get "undefined colour"s for fillings etc. even though it displays correctly |
| 15:36:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | Weird. SVGs should work on any support app, shouldn't they? |
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| 15:38:14 | pixelma | it doesn't seem to be a standard svg - inkscape self allows saving an "inkscape svg" and a "normal svg" (I am running a German version, maybe it's called differently in English) but saving as "normal" didn't help me |
| 15:39:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | I think you should ask him to give you another SVG, but to make sure to save it as a normal SVG with no weird "undefined colors" used anywhere. |
| 15:39:43 | * | pixelma considers drawing an own version, maybe reusing the outlines but this will take a bit of time |
| 15:40:13 | linuxstb | Have you tried exporting it from inkscape to "normal svg", and reloading? |
| 15:42:19 | pixelma | yes, well I can only "save as" normal svg and then tried to import to CorelDraw which works for other svgs I tried |
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| 15:50:17 | pixelma | the beast has a lot of buttons... |
| 15:50:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | 13 buttons, plus the hold switch. |
| 15:51:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | And I used to think the H320 had a lot of buttons. :) |
| 15:51:16 | pixelma | or the c200 :\ |
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| 16:29:25 | gevaerts | amiconn: someone seems to have the M3 remote problem on an X5 : http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16796.0 |
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| 16:36:20 | pixelma | gevaerts: that's reported for all lcd remotes and there's a bug report for it |
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| 17:02:57 | low_light | gevaerts: are you a bluetooth expert too? |
| 17:03:18 | * | gevaerts knows nearly nothing about bluetooth |
| 17:04:31 | low_light | ok...I picked up an insignia ns-dv player. there's also version with bluetooth. |
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| 17:05:17 | * | LambdaCalculus37 thinks low_light is going to hold the record for "Most Rockbox Targets ported in a Single Go" :) |
| 17:06:56 | low_light | I think the insignia ns-dv, iriver x20, and philips sa6045 are all nearly identical |
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| 17:08:15 | low_light | but I think toffe82 wants me to concentrate on committing the sa9200 port first |
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| 17:10:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | Isn't the SA9200 port relatively trivial, since the majority of the hardware is identical to that of the e200? Or is this all a load of dingo's kidneys? |
| 17:11:33 | low_light | yeah...it's done (except for buttons). I've just been swamped with work. |
| 17:12:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | No problem. Take your time, then. :) |
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| 17:23:20 | amiconn | linuxstb: I am watching all three |
| 17:23:29 | amiconn | oops, wrong channel |
| 17:25:02 | toffe82 | low_light: I want the commit ;) |
| 17:26:12 | toffe82 | low_light: do you hae the file you use to dump the bootloader ? |
| 17:26:19 | toffe82 | have ^^ |
| 17:27:15 | toffe82 | I am not really good at doing that, and I don't have so many time so if I have the base, I can do it I think |
| 17:27:55 | toffe82 | low_light: I got another gogear the hdd 1630 |
| 17:28:01 | toffe82 | for 1$ |
| 17:28:04 | low_light | I just modified bootloader/main-pp.c. The section where is says dump hidden partition. |
| 17:29:02 | toffe82 | ok |
| 17:29:55 | low_light | you could use the tpj1022 bootloader (if it still works). It's minimal and you could just have it dump the flash to disk. |
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| 17:30:21 | low_light | Are those gogears also MTP only? |
| 17:30:29 | toffe82 | yes |
| 17:30:36 | toffe82 | same thing |
| 17:31:13 | toffe82 | I began the wiki on the hdd6330 and am waiting for the hdd1630 |
| 17:32:35 | low_light | Is the firmware in System directory like the H10 and m:robe100? |
| 17:33:17 | toffe82 | ther is a system directory visible but nothing in it |
| 17:33:40 | toffe82 | like the sa9200 |
| 17:34:45 | toffe82 | but they work the same way as the sa9200, there is a recovery mode and service mode too |
| 17:35:42 | toffe82 | I read somwhere that if you copy a file in the system folder, the player should upgrade, but I think it works only if the version is higher than the one installed |
| 17:36:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | toffe82: I just did a little cleanup of the HDD6330 page for you. Mostly grammatical cleanup. |
| 17:36:34 | low_light | you say on the wiki that in service mode it's a mass storage device |
| 17:37:58 | toffe82 | LambdaCalculus37: thanks |
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| 17:38:23 | toffe82 | yes, but I didn't try it yet |
| 17:39:27 | low_light | Is there only one partition on the drive? on the sa9200, the bootloader and firmware are stored on a hidden partition. |
| 17:42:49 | low_light | toffe82: does the 6330 have a WM dac? |
| 17:43:20 | low_light | or is it PP5022 + AS3514 like the c200? |
| 17:43:20 | toffe82 | I have an image of the disk of the hdd6330 (I didn't do it) and it shows 2 system folder and one contain the FWimage.ebn |
| 17:43:40 | toffe82 | it is a 5022 |
| 17:44:02 | toffe82 | I didn't open it yet, but there is a photo on the wiki |
| 17:44:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | There seems to be very little information about the hardware listed on the wiki. |
| 17:44:51 | toffe82 | yes, I have to do it but it was you player or the hdd6330 ;) |
| 17:45:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | toffe82: At least the scan is really nice and sharp. :) |
| 17:45:51 | * | low_light waits while scan loads |
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| 17:46:11 | * | LambdaCalculus37 can just make out an SST logo on one of the chips on the top |
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| 17:58:19 | low_light | The SST chip is SST39WF400A "Silicon Storage Technology, Inc. :: 4 Mbit (x16) Multi-Purpose Flash" |
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| 17:59:45 | toffe82 | put it on the wiki :) |
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| 18:01:43 | low_light | I can't log on the wiki from work (or do svn commits) ;) |
| 18:04:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | low_light: Let me take care of it. I can log onto the wiki here at work. |
| 18:05:25 | * | LambdaCalculus37 adds the SST chip info to the wiki |
| 18:07:10 | low_light | The one below it is Samsung SDRAM K4S51163PF |
| 18:08:06 | low_light | 8M X 16BIT X 4 BANKS MOBILE SDRAM |
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| 18:09:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | Added. |
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| 18:09:40 | jonny19 | Hello |
| 18:10:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | low_light: Should I also mention the markings on the HD connector? |
| 18:10:59 | jonny19 | could someone help me with a problem please :) |
| 18:11:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | jonny19: Ask your question. |
| 18:11:14 | Mouser_X | jonny19: If you have something to say, or ask, then as it. We can't read minds. |
| 18:11:26 | Mouser_X | (At least, I can't.) |
| 18:12:22 | jonny19 | Does anyone know how to change the start up rockbox logo to my own image? i've been searching the forums but not having much luck |
| 18:12:36 | toffe82 | low_light: whst is the screen resolution of the sa9200 ? |
| 18:13:58 | jonny19 | I am using an ipod 4th gen greyscale |
| 18:14:25 | linuxstb | jonny19: The short answer is that you can't. The long answer is that Rockbox is open source, meaning that if you compile it yourself, it's possible to use a different image (and change anything else you want - if you are able to program). |
| 18:14:33 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I'd rather enable the bus transceiver together with powering up the disk. Otherwise you'll have some floating pins until enabling the transceiver |
| 18:14:52 | low_light | toffe82: 160x128 |
| 18:15:06 | toffe82 | ok |
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| 18:15:26 | jonny19 | okay, so assuming I have no programing experience at all, there's no way then ;) |
| 18:16:22 | linuxstb | jonny19: Just changing the logo is relatively easy - the hard part is setting up a development environment and compiling your own version of Rockbox. But there are lots of instructions on the website and threads in forums about that. |
| 18:16:45 | linuxstb | But it doesn't require programming experience as such. |
| 18:17:09 | jonny19 | Alright, well thanks for the help |
| 18:17:19 | low_light | toffe82, LambdaCalculus37: I still don't see the audio DAC chip |
| 18:17:53 | toffe82 | perhaps on the othe side |
| 18:18:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | Most likely. There may be a few other chips on the other side that may be interesting. |
| 18:19:11 | linuxstb | Isn't the DAC incorporated in the PP5024 (the AMS part) ? |
| 18:19:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: This one's a PP5022B. |
| 18:19:51 | linuxstb | What device are we talking about? |
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| 18:20:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | Oops. :) |
| 18:20:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | I was talking about the GoGear HDD6330. |
| 18:20:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | low_light and toffe82 were discussing the SA9200 earlier. |
| 18:20:48 | * | linuxstb checks the other wiki page... |
| 18:21:18 | low_light | I'm talking hdd6330 |
| 18:21:33 | low_light | I don't know about the rest of you :) |
| 18:22:05 | * | LambdaCalculus37 should stop brain farting :P |
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| 18:22:57 | toffe82 | we are talking of the gogear series, make your choice ;) |
| 18:23:11 | * | linuxstb gives up... |
| 18:24:06 | amiconn | ? |
| 18:25:07 | * | linuxstb gives up trying to follow this conversation ;) |
| 18:25:48 | low_light | trying to id the chips on the scan here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GoGearHDD6330 |
| 18:26:54 | amiconn | low_light: Where's the other side's scan? |
| 18:27:17 | toffe82 | I have to do it, this one was already on the wiki |
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| 18:27:29 | low_light | don't know. I don't have one. |
| 18:27:45 | toffe82 | I will try to do it this week end |
| 18:28:10 | amiconn | The main chips on the available scan are already identified: PP5022, RAM, and flash eprom |
| 18:28:49 | low_light | they are now ;) |
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| 18:47:04 | amiconn | U1 is probably a TI TPS62040 DC-DC converter |
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| 18:54:40 | jhMikeS | amiconn: The bus switch has two enables 1) It's powered by the same switch as the HD 2) A separate GPIO line to actually connect the drive to the ATA pins on the SoC. They're supposed to be in high impedance until lines on the other side are stable (namely during power switching) |
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| 19:18:48 | * | GodEater would just like to take this opportunity to thank jhMikeS for all the hard work he's put in on the beast. Just did the new bootloader install, and now have a very happy beast! |
| 19:19:18 | low_light | amiconn: any plans to add lcd sleep & power off to the c200? |
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| 19:21:40 | amiconn | low_light: I didn't really do much with the c240 so far (apart from installing rockbox and putting some music on it) |
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| 19:26:41 | low_light | amiconn: that's probably the only function that's still missing |
| 19:26:59 | amiconn | It's missing for other targets too though |
| 19:27:06 | low_light | and there's still the problem of the disappearing FM on some c200's |
| 19:27:08 | amiconn | ...which I will probably work on earlier |
| 19:27:28 | amiconn | But first I have to fix the remote lcd driver mess |
| 19:28:39 | amiconn | One thing I am planning to do for c200 (and e200 and Ondio) is cleaning up the hotswap code. This will allow us to get rid of all #ifdef TARGET_TREE |
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| 19:43:32 | * | preglow is going to add another HAVE_HOTSWAP code section |
| 19:44:04 | linuxstb | preglow: You're working on a D2 SD driver? |
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| 19:45:06 | preglow | linuxstb: yeah |
| 19:45:16 | preglow | seems like it should be a doable task |
| 19:46:35 | preglow | worst case, it'll be ten times easier than a nand driver, so... |
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| 19:53:28 | * | low_light saw that the D2 now comes in a 16GB flavor |
| 19:54:34 | preglow | really |
| 19:54:43 | advcomp2019 | yea it does |
| 19:54:46 | * | preglow wishes it did that some weeks ag |
| 19:54:48 | preglow | o |
| 19:55:02 | linuxstb | Is that actually available now? It was announced/rumoured months ago. |
| 19:55:14 | advcomp2019 | yea.. jetmall has it |
| 19:55:38 | amiconn | pffft |
| 19:55:51 | amiconn | ;) |
| 19:55:51 | preglow | seems to one in norway has it anyway |
| 19:55:58 | preglow | s/to/no/ |
| 19:56:13 | low_light | maybe just the FM version now |
| 19:56:25 | preglow | well, in that case it wouldn't have mattered |
| 19:56:27 | * | preglow hugs his dab |
| 19:56:53 | preglow | basing my storage needs on sd cards seems to be smarter code-wise anyway... |
| 19:57:47 | low_light | Interesting...the TCC8200 has a hardware JPEG decoder |
| 19:58:06 | preglow | i think the 78x has that too |
| 19:58:57 | preglow | at least it can accelerate some of the operations in it, like idct and dequantization |
| 19:59:00 | low_light | Good...I'm hoping there are a lot of similarities between the 8200 and the 78x |
| 19:59:33 | preglow | yeah, i'm looking forward to exploring those parts of the chip |
| 19:59:38 | preglow | though it might take some time to do so |
| 19:59:48 | low_light | It'll make porting easier |
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| 20:33:28 | preglow | what does HAVE_MULTIVOLUME without HAVE_HOTSWAP mean, really? several disks in one player? |
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| 20:34:03 | amiconn | preglow: It can also mean two (or more) partitions |
| 20:34:09 | fml | Any manual experts here? In the recently commit to playback_options.tex (r17429) there is an \opt gigabeats directly follwed by a \nopt with 'gigabeats' inside. Is it ok? |
| 20:34:09 | preglow | amiconn: ahhh, of course |
| 20:34:22 | preglow | amiconn: for some reaason, having more than one never really occured to me |
| 20:34:29 | amiconn | That's even needed if you mod an archos with a >136GB hdd |
| 20:35:03 | amiconn | (128GiB) |
| 20:35:03 | fml | ^ in the A-B snippet |
| 20:35:55 | preglow | fml: eh, why wouldn't it be? |
| 20:36:46 | fml | preglow: what does 'nopt' mean? "Do it if these options are not active"? |
| 20:37:30 | preglow | opt{} means "do this if argument is defined", nopt{} means "do this if none of these arguments are defined" |
| 20:37:33 | preglow | afaik |
| 20:38:04 | preglow | now that i think about it, i don't think i've ever used nopt |
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| 20:40:47 | fml | preglow: Ahhh! Now I see! It's all correct. nopt should list all the options which occur above in \opt. |
| 20:41:06 | preglow | yeah, so it executes if none of them are true |
| 20:41:12 | * | pixelma deletes started explanation |
| 20:41:12 | preglow | makes sense, since it's a TODO |
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| 20:47:21 | fml | pixelma: In the c200 manual, section 2.3.2 (Manual installation), part "Bootloader installation from Windows", No. 3, could you please add quotation marks in "press i followed by ENTER"? That would be better I think. |
| 20:47:41 | fml | I don't want to create a patch for such a small change |
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| 20:49:57 | fml | Is 40 EUR a good price for a new c200 v1? |
| 20:50:27 | gevaerts | c240 or c250 ? |
| 20:54:13 | pixelma | fml: the patch would probably get larger because the ipod installation chapter is very similar... but I actually wanted to rework the installation chapter anyways, the actual writing is just a tedious task especially for a non-native speaker - all I've got so far is a collection of info (and thoughts what's missing in my opinion) and thoughts towards a new structure |
| 20:55:10 | bluebrother | fml: you should be aware that nopt can't be cascaded −− i.e. it's "not re-entrant safe" (as it tricks around with opt a bit) |
| 20:55:40 | pixelma | I should probably put that list somewhere for others (maybe native speakers) to look at |
| 20:56:12 | * | bluebrother suggests the ManualTodo wiki page |
| 20:56:52 | pixelma | when I last looked that page was awfully outdated, that would mean I had to update a lot on there too :\ |
| 20:57:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Regarding what we were discussing yesterday about Feb's patch for the manual in FS #8658... do you think it should be committed, or do you feel that it needs a little extra work? |
| 20:57:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | s/Feb's/Febs' |
| 20:58:17 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: would have thought it needs a little extra work, there was at least one typo ;) but I also missed some things IIRC |
| 20:59:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: I'll clean it up really quick and pastebin it. |
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| 21:01:16 | pixelma | bluebrother: I wanted to add a few missing *_PAD in the button table of the lamp plugin (and spell the X5 one correctly, and reduce the "long press..."), the problem is that if I do the whole "toggle colour" line vanishes for all colour target manuals. Do you have an idea? |
| 21:01:29 | fml | gevaerts: c250 |
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| 21:01:48 | PaulJam | is something wrong with the tracker? i only get a blank page when i click on the tasklist link. |
| 21:02:52 | pixelma | PaulJam: I also saw that today but it worked when I entered the tracker by chosing one of the links in the left side menu of the rockbox.org pages |
| 21:03:21 | fml | pixelma: I just stumbled upon that 'i' without quotes and had to read the sentence twice |
| 21:04:17 | gevaerts | fml: refurbished c240's seem to be going at 13 UKP or so. I guess a new c250 would be worth between 30 and 40 euros, but I'm not sure (since you can't find them easily it's hard to compare) |
| 21:04:43 | PaulJam | pixelma: the links on the rockbox.org page work for me too. |
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| 21:09:06 | murky_murk | bagder, please check http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16789.0 |
| 21:10:24 | Bagder | if you need to ask, I don't think you're up for it |
| 21:11:30 | bluebrother | pixelma: I'm not sure if I understand correctly. You want to add more PAD inside of the opt? |
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| 21:14:02 | pixelma | yes, in the "quit" line the X5 pad is spelled wrong (lower case and it doesn't show up) and the c200 and h10 pads are missing. I don't understand why that affects the first line at all... if you want I could paste the very short patch and/or my lamp.tex to a pastebin or so |
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| 21:18:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Does the c200 have \ButtonVolUp{} and \ButtonVolDown{} options defined in its platform page in manual/platforms? |
| 21:18:52 | cfrost | Starting with rockbox versions about one or two months ago, bootup prints "Undefined instruction at 010001D0 (0)" |
| 21:19:04 | cfrost | newer firmwares haven't fixed the problem |
| 21:19:13 | cfrost | s/firmwares/versions of rockbox/ |
| 21:19:20 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: yes, but why can't you look yourself? |
| 21:19:29 | cfrost | (I have not upgraded the rockbox bootloader since long before the problem started) |
| 21:19:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Because my laptop isn't with me right now. |
| 21:19:32 | cfrost | any thoughts? |
| 21:19:46 | linuxstb | cfrost: Upgrade the bootloader... |
| 21:19:57 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: but you have internet access and then there is ViewVC... |
| 21:19:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | cfrost: My crystal ball is broken. What device? |
| 21:20:10 | * | LambdaCalculus37 smacks his forehead |
| 21:20:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: D'oh! :P |
| 21:20:20 | cfrost | LambdaCalculus37: oh wow, sorry about forgetting to mention: Sansa E200 |
| 21:20:40 | cfrost | linuxstb: even though the bootloader didn't change inbetween working and not? |
| 21:21:53 | linuxstb | cfrost: When did you first install Rockbox? The early bootloaders are no longer compatible with current builds (but that's at least a year or so ago). |
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| 21:22:48 | cfrost | linuxstb: about nov or dec 1997 |
| 21:22:54 | cfrost | s/1997/2007/ |
| 21:22:59 | cfrost | (wow) |
| 21:23:25 | linuxstb | It's worth just running rbutil or sansapatcher again and installing the current bootloader, just to confirm that's not the issue. |
| 21:23:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | Rockbox was around in 1997? :P |
| 21:23:49 | DerPapst | heh no :-P |
| 21:23:56 | DerPapst | end of 2002 |
| 21:24:03 | cfrost | linuxstb: ok, will do. each try requires charing the device enough to boot without usb. and if it fails, letting it sit until it runs out of battery to reboot into the host firmware :(. |
| 21:24:11 | fml | Is there a sansa c200 wps gallery in the wiki? |
| 21:24:12 | cfrost | linuxstb: thanks |
| 21:24:14 | * | gevaerts mentions that this means a new sansapatcher, not one downloaded in 2007 |
| 21:24:46 | * | bluebrother slaps forehead |
| 21:24:48 | gevaerts | cfrost: you can always reset by holding the power button long enough (15..30 seconds) |
| 21:24:50 | bertrik | just hold MENU for about 15 seconds to turn the e200 off, no need to run down the battery |
| 21:25:03 | pixelma | fml: no, since I was told that "the new rockbox-themes will come soon" ;) |
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| 21:25:17 | cfrost | Galois, bertrik: oo |
| 21:25:19 | * | gevaerts is confused now. Menu or power ? |
| 21:25:33 | pixelma | fml: there are a few c200 themes on there though |
| 21:25:39 | bertrik | my e200 has a power symbol with menu written below it |
| 21:25:50 | pixelma | fml: even in its current unofficial state |
| 21:26:11 | bluebrother | pixelma: interesting. I just fixed the x5 opt and the button name shows up as expected. |
| 21:26:16 | * | gevaerts checks his c250... Same here |
| 21:26:19 | bluebrother | can you pastebin your changes? |
| 21:26:35 | pixelma | bluebrother: yes and the "toggle colour" line? |
| 21:27:00 | cfrost | linuxstb: the current sansapatcher did not change anything |
| 21:27:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Voila! http://pastebin.com/m6494e1db |
| 21:27:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | s/Voila/Viola |
| 21:27:54 | pixelma | Viola? |
| 21:27:57 | bluebrother | you mean the "Toggle between colors" line? It shows up as expected |
| 21:28:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | Done! |
| 21:28:11 | gevaerts | pixelma: of course. rockbox is all about music |
| 21:28:24 | DerPapst | Voilà i'd say :-P |
| 21:28:33 | pixelma | bluebrother: http://pastebin.ca/1013016 |
| 21:28:38 | * | bluebrother has disabled dead keys |
| 21:29:51 | gevaerts | cfrost: have you checked the filesystem on the sansa ? |
| 21:30:07 | * | gevaerts is obsessed with corrupt filesystems |
| 21:31:04 | bluebrother | pixelma: works fine here. Are you sure you're not looking at the buttons of the disktidy plugin? Almost happened to me |
| 21:31:11 | * | LambdaCalculus37 wonders if the c200 description he pastebinned needs anything else |
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| 21:31:43 | cfrost | gevaerts: just now I mounted it updated the firmware, and fsck.vfat is happy with it |
| 21:31:46 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: I noticed that the volume up and down are different - down has a form of "sunken" triangle in it and up a "raised" one (sorry can't explain better in short). Do you think that's worth mentioning for the blind, maybe they can feel it? |
| 21:31:58 | gevaerts | That's not it then... |
| 21:32:23 | cfrost | gevaerts: to double check, should the boot sector differ from its backup? |
| 21:32:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Let me revise it to add the raised and sunken triangles. |
| 21:32:32 | cfrost | I would guess sansapatcher did that? |
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| 21:33:15 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: lanyard loop that's called, always wondered about that... :) |
| 21:34:28 | pixelma | bluebrother: yes, I'm sure. Wonder what's going on there :\ |
| 21:34:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Fixed. http://pastebin.com/d727688a2 |
| 21:34:55 | gevaerts | cfrost: I don't think so, but I also don't think it would matter much |
| 21:35:11 | cfrost | gevaerts: well, if the bootsector was corrupt? |
| 21:36:15 | cfrost | gevaerts: sectors 71-80 differ |
| 21:36:25 | bluebrother | pixelma: that's indeed strange. Will try a clean build. |
| 21:36:41 | cfrost | s/sectors/offsets/ |
| 21:36:52 | * | gevaerts looks around for the irc police. Is suggesting reformatting allowed now ? |
| 21:37:29 | cfrost | not without solid reason :) |
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| 21:38:03 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: sounds good, btw *I* can't feel the sunken one (too small) but the raised. I think it should stay in there though, maybe someone who is trained to read braille can feel it. I think I'm going to commit that soon, thanks much :) |
| 21:38:09 | gevaerts | exactly :) I don't have more suggestions, but while I may be a c200 recovery expert, I don't know that much about the e200 |
| 21:38:19 | cfrost | gevaerts: thanks for the help |
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| 21:38:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: You're welcome. :) |
| 21:38:55 | cfrost | gevaerts: maybe I'll copy the bootsector and try overwriting it with the backup bootsector |
| 21:39:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'm listed in IrcNicks if you need my real name. |
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| 21:40:10 | gevaerts | That might help. At what point does it have the error ? Maybe clearing the config also changes things |
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| 21:40:41 | cfrost | gevaerts: I just erased .rockbox and recreated it... |
| 21:40:50 | cfrost | and it works |
| 21:40:55 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: I remember your name, just need to look up the correct spelling, don't want to mess that up :) |
| 21:40:55 | cfrost | odd? |
| 21:41:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | :) |
| 21:41:22 | gevaerts | Then there was probably something wrong with the settings. You didn't backup the old .rockbox by any chance ? |
| 21:42:02 | cfrost | no :( |
| 21:42:50 | gevaerts | Anyway, I guess the most important thing is that it works now... |
| 21:43:46 | cfrost | if it's not a widespread problem, I guess so |
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| 21:43:54 | cfrost | and I didn't find anyone on the web with the problem |
| 21:44:09 | gevaerts | I didn't hear about it either |
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| 21:47:52 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: hmm... in the very first sentence, wouldn't it be better to mention the buttons first because one can't feel the screen? |
| 21:49:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Yeah, that sounds better. |
| 21:49:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | So it should be "Hold the DAP with the buttons on the right and the screen on the left". |
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| 21:53:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | Final revision: http://pastebin.com/d1fa1c4aa |
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| 21:57:56 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: did you make that patch by just editing the original file with a patch editor? |
| 21:58:45 | pixelma | s/patch editor/text edito |
| 21:58:47 | pixelma | r |
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| 22:53:06 | toffe82 | pixelma: do we have the bmp's for a 160x128 lcd ? |
| 22:53:23 | pixelma | lots |
| 22:54:32 | pixelma | you can chose - in colour (X5, big H10 have that), greyscale (H100s, M5, greyscale Ipods) and monochrome (well red on black as the m:robe100 uses) |
| 22:55:23 | toffe82 | it is for the upcoming sa9200 gogear |
| 22:55:26 | toffe82 | color |
| 22:56:24 | pixelma | does the gogear have an RTC? |
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| 23:08:16 | toffe82 | pixelma: I don't know |
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| 23:12:17 | pixelma | what about a radio? Just asking because if it doesn't have one of those, it would need a few extra screenshots (e.g. the main menu without the radio option because X5 and big H10 have one, or for bounce so it doesn't show the clock in the background). It wouldn't be a big deal either way since the manual build system is prepared for that and it is already used for some targets |
| 23:12:48 | pixelma | or some manuals |
| 23:13:13 | toffe82 | radio yes |
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| 23:14:04 | dionoea | Hi. I've got a small question about the pcm_peak_peeker function in pcm.c. Why does it increment the addr by 16? (line 112) |
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| 23:19:10 | dionoea | ah ok, it's only taking into account 1 sample every 4 samples? |
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| 23:20:30 | rastasean | Hey everyone |
| 23:20:54 | rastasean | I am looking for a question to be answed from someone/anyone. is anyone out there? |
| 23:21:17 | linuxstb | Just ask... |
| 23:21:29 | rastasean | oh fine |
| 23:21:45 | rastasean | i have a irive hd120 with rockbox loaded on to it |
| 23:22:12 | rastasean | when i am in the pre-record mode, the AGC keeps going up with my mics plugged into it |
| 23:22:36 | rastasean | no pre-amp here, just a pair of AT853 mics |
| 23:22:36 | BigBambi | right |
| 23:22:50 | BigBambi | what mode do you have it set to? |
| 23:22:50 | rastasean | Why does it go up? |
| 23:23:05 | BigBambi | because the room is quiet and it is trying to increase the gain to compensate? |
| 23:23:09 | rastasean | mode is anything but off |
| 23:23:22 | BigBambi | If you use safety, I think it should never increase, only decrease |
| 23:24:10 | rastasean | well the gain on each channel even gets hirer |
| 23:25:03 | BigBambi | Wouldn't you expect it to? As I understand it you give the AGC a target level and it tries to compensate to reach that at a rate denoted by the settings (except for safety mode) |
| 23:25:06 | rastasean | higher* |
| 23:25:22 | BigBambi | So if you are in a quiet room, it will increase to try and attain the set level |
| 23:25:25 | * | BigBambi thinks |
| 23:25:42 | BigBambi | petur is a recording person who uses AGC safety regularly IIRC |
| 23:26:17 | * | petur scrolls up to read |
| 23:26:42 | BigBambi | petur: I'm not too familiar with AGC so wanted to check |
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| 23:27:09 | rastasean | So if I am in a quiet room with the gain for each channel set to match, say 30 dB, it shouldn't even raise, right? |
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| 23:27:30 | petur | agc-safety will only decrease gain, the other modes to both increase and decrease with different time constants |
| 23:27:49 | petur | you can set the max gain AGC goes to |
| 23:28:06 | petur | select the AGC line and use left/right to set dB |
| 23:29:17 | rastasean | okay |
| 23:29:32 | rastasean | i'll see if that does anything |
| 23:30:55 | petur | other than that, it *is* AGC, so it is supposed to bump up the gain when levels are low (except in safety mode) |
| 23:31:06 | BigBambi | Yes, thought so |
| 23:31:58 | rastasean | I don't know. I had BOTH channels set to 30 db and when i started agc was at vocie (fast) was at 18, I think. now agc 8.5 db and the channels are both about 10 db higher |
| 23:32:39 | rastasean | every time the channels get more gain, the AGC gets lower |
| 23:32:42 | Bagder | listing recent activities on recent new targets made a rather big list |
| 23:33:08 | petur | the value next to agc is the amount of 'room' it has to increase. that is the value you can modify to limit how high your gain goes |
| 23:34:16 | rastasean | and how can you modify that? |
| 23:34:31 | rastasean | Thanks for all these answered questions, btw |
| 23:35:04 | petur | move the selector bar to that line (up/down) and then press left/right to change |
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| 23:38:24 | rastasean | no, i mean how do you modify the agc limit?> |
| 23:38:38 | rastasean | I found how how you can for the max limit |
| 23:39:10 | rastasean | such as, for safety its a 3 db right now. I can i make that 6 or 12 or more? |
| 23:45:11 | pixelma | bluebrother: tried that patch in a clean checkout and it works correctly now it seems (tested with a c200 manual)... weird |
| 23:46:11 | pixelma | I already compiled with a "make clean" before the "make manual" in the other tree |
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| 23:50:01 | petur | rastasean: if you want to change that you need to change the code and build your own rockbox version ;) |
| 23:51:14 | rastasean | haha. no way, petur. really? I think I'll figure this out eventually |
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| 23:52:36 | fml | Do sansa e200 and c200 use the same cable for PC connection? |
| 23:53:38 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:54:27 | rastasean | hehe |
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