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#rockbox log for 2008-05-09

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00:05:35*bertrik is testing battery charging for e200
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00:11:10pixelmabertrik: what voltage does the "view battery" screen give you now when you have it attached to USB?
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00:14:43Bagderaustriancoder: you seen that your treble/bass commit still causes trouble?
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00:15:36Bagderbut now sleep
00:15:53pixelmabertrik: seems saner than what I get after a short while - voltage suddenly rises to over 4,5V (with a non-USB build)
00:16:10pixelmaand going up...
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00:18:06jhMikeSI'd pull it right now
00:18:48bertrikpixelma: I changed the ADC channel used for sampling the battery voltage. There are two ADC channels that show almost exactly the same while not charging. One of them goes way up when the charger is inserted, the other stays mostly the same.
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00:20:04pixelmajhMikeS: I know, don't trust it myself but this has been reported on other targets (both Sansa series IIRC) so that I think that Rockbox just reads a wrong voltage somewhere
00:20:04jhMikeSone is probably the charger voltage and the other the actual battery voltage
00:20:24austriancoderBagder: nope.. i will contact an target owner to fix this issue
00:20:43austriancoderI have a new patch to review: -> last comment
00:20:45pixelmabertrik: sounds good
00:20:57bertrikADC_BVDD is the one that goes way up, ADC_RTCSUP stays more stable but does eventually go up to exactly the voltage configured in the charger
00:21:13jhMikeS4.5V to the battery will damage it or even trip the protection for good so I'm pretty sure that would have to be the charger input
00:22:07pixelmaaustriancoder: there is a thread in the forums of a m:robe100 owner who asked if others have the problem too
00:22:29bertrikThere is a very simple patch in the tracker to test this. I'm now working on a better version of the patch that also checks the end-of-charge bit in the charger.
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00:23:08austriancoderpixelma: i will check it
00:23:26bertrikMy charger settings are now V=4.1V and I=C/3 (750/3=250 mA), I think this should be safe
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00:24:07bertrikThere is a thread on the forum with some measurements that seems to suggest that the OF is actually much more aggressive with charge current and charge voltage
00:24:14 Quit midgey_ ()
00:24:47jhMikeSactually, I have a proper lithium ion chargin algorthm I found from panasonic - how to perform each stage and I plan on implementing that on the S
00:26:34bertrikI'm using the rockbox "CHARGING_MONITOR" charging configuration, which means mostly hardware controlled with software monitoring of the progress IIUC
00:27:09LambdaCalculus3I'm adding some extra bits of functionality to disktidy. I'll post a patch once I'm done.
00:27:23bertrikonce the charger indicates "end-of-charge" I disable the charger. To charge again, the sansa needs to be powercycled, is that a big problem?
00:27:31austriancoderpixelma: do you have the link by hand?
00:27:59*bertrik is waiting for the charger to indicate end-of-charge to test some code ....
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00:29:49jhMikeSgigabeat S has a current sense for charging so that algorithm really isn't sufficient for it since you can monitor during the constant voltage phase and stop at 10% of capacity
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00:31:41bertrikjhMikeS: what end voltage would you use?
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00:33:40jhMikeS4.2V normally
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00:36:25austriancoderdo i need something special to use DEBUGF like for LOGF?
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00:40:28*LambdaCalculus37 has now added "Desktop.ini" files from Windows to disktidy
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00:42:58bertrikI think disktidy can be made simpler and more elegant than it currently is, for example using a table of files to delete rather than writing it out in code
00:43:28LambdaCalculus37bertrik: There's a patch in Flyspray for that.
00:44:02LambdaCalculus37FS #8637
00:44:44LambdaCalculus37But the problem is that it ended up turning into a viewer-style plugin.
00:47:35*LambdaCalculus37 sees all green with disktidy
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00:47:50bertrikhmm, feature creep?
00:50:04LambdaCalculus37bertrik: I'm going to try to sync the original version of FS #8637 to the current SVN.
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01:00:29*LambdaCalculus37 goes to have some dinner
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01:08:12DerPapstif you don't want the viewer style start with version 5.1 or modify JdGordon's version
01:08:27*DerPapst wonders if JdGordon forgot about disktidy....
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01:11:03austriancoderFS #7138 last comment.. please review patch
01:12:42LambdaCalculus37FS #8975... small disktidy patch with manual update.
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01:18:08*LambdaCalculus37 goes back to poke around at FS #8637
01:22:55LambdaCalculus37DerPapst: You know what? I think v5.1 of FS #8637 is a much more logical choice.
01:23:39LambdaCalculus37Honestly, adding files and folders one or two at a time is rather tedious and is starting to bloat the code.
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01:26:47DerPapstmaybe... but i think rockbox' config parser should be used for that
01:27:47LambdaCalculus37DerPapst: Exactly.
01:28:12LambdaCalculus37It allows for far more flexibility than my creeping stuff in can.
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01:29:57amiconnYay :D
01:30:11amiconnDisk: 29.8GB Free: 29.5GB
01:30:39*amiconn now only needs to put everything back together properly
01:30:53LambdaCalculus37amiconn: What were you just doing?
01:31:14amiconniPod mini G2 CF mod
01:31:15pixelmaMini CF mod
01:31:21*pixelma too slow
01:32:15markunamiconn: how much did the adapter and the memory cost?
01:32:25amiconnNo adapter necessary...
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01:32:55amiconnThe card (32GB Trancend) was 131EUR ( marketplace, including shipment)
01:32:59LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Nice!
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01:33:55*pixelma curses LaTeX...
01:34:17amiconnWriting small blocks is somewhat slow, but that's expected
01:34:37amiconnFor large blocks, the card is faster than the old microdrive
01:35:18amiconn(interestingly it's twice as fast for writing compared to reading 1MB blocks)
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01:37:20*LambdaCalculus37 curses LaTeX along with pixelma
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01:39:32*LambdaCalculus37 tries hard to get the Gigabeat S manual together but is still missing some key pieces
01:41:21DerPapstamiconn: does the OF still work?
01:43:06*pixelma just wanted to add missing key pad macros (and fix a wrong spelling) to the lamp.tex button table
01:44:28pixelmathis makes the "quit" button show up correctly but then the "toggle colours" line just vanishes in all colour target manuals even those which are not affected by my 2-liner. It builds correctly though
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01:46:56pixelmaI did not change anything in the \opt{lcd_color}{} part
01:47:37LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Want to take a look at this?
01:47:44LambdaCalculus37Tell me how it looks so far.
01:48:18jmworxAny audiophiles in here who would like to test a next-gen Xiph audio codec?
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01:49:49pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: first reaction "this reminds me of the still missing 'describe player for the blind' paragraph in the c200 manual - Febs started and posted a patch to the tracker but didn't finish...
01:50:07pixelmacool you also took care of this for the beast
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01:55:05*amiconn actually needed to squeeze some material between the CF card and the back of the case
01:55:48amiconnOtherwise the wheel would be loose, and more importantly, the connector would not fit into the hole of the bottom cover
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01:57:34amiconnEmergency diskmode is workind
01:58:50amiconnOF is also working as far as I can tell
01:59:05amiconnAlso reports proper capacity
01:59:50LambdaCalculus37pixelma: What? You're kidding! What's the patch?
02:01:33DerPapstamiconn: coolio. apple did a good job at this.
02:02:11LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Yeah, I heard about that. The original mod described using a business card folded once as padding.
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02:02:53*amiconn also used some folded cardboard
02:03:18pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: , just realised that this is in a state I *might* be able to work on because it already explains the thing I had trouble with (the button "square (?)" or so) quite well
02:05:47pixelmawas unable (as a non-native speaker) to describe that in a short but accurate way
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02:07:51LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Yes, it's described very well.
02:08:13LambdaCalculus37This still needs a *lot* of work, but it's a start:
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02:09:33B1b3rhi , is there a way to get some games on my sansa e250 v2 ? thx
02:09:57LambdaCalculus37No, there isn't. Rockbox doesn't work on the v2 Sansas.
02:10:17B1b3roh :/
02:11:17B1b3rso the only thing on my sansa i can upgrade is the firmware ? :D
02:11:23Nico_PjhMikeS: ping
02:11:52advcomp2019B1b3r, if you want rockbox, you need a v1 not a v2
02:11:53LambdaCalculus37And the capacity.
02:12:20B1b3ryeh looks like
02:12:56pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: nice, the only thing that worries me a bit (and made me check) is that gigabeatf and gigabeats look so similar because the only difference is the last letter after a few more (m5, x5 is better manageable) - had to look twice.
02:13:28LambdaCalculus37pixelma: It still needs a lot of work, though. I especially have to change the keymap to the S keymap.
02:13:35B1b3ris there a rockbox port in work for v2s ?
02:13:53*amiconn votes for renaming gigabeats to gigabeast ;)
02:14:08*LambdaCalculus37 seconds that vote ;)
02:14:21*DerPapst thirds it :-)
02:14:32pixelmamaybe that makes it easier to distinguish... :)
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02:15:47LambdaCalculus37Anyone have any objections to renaming the tags in the Gigabeat S manual from gigabeats to gigabeast?
02:18:52pixelmaI think you can replace them easily, no matter what you call them now if used consistently...
02:20:06*Llorean thinks we should keep humor out of the tag naming, just to be "safe"
02:21:22DerPapstwho cares? it's just the manual contributors anyway and if it helps them....
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02:26:47Nico_Pamiconn: does r17426 mean FS #8260 is fixed?
02:27:58amiconnuhm, didn't even know there was a flyspray report
02:28:18amiconnThe original report sounds exactly like what I was experiencing, and it's fixed now
02:28:56Nico_Pamiconn: it was also traced to r15444, which is when you added the sleep(HZ/50)
02:29:06Nico_PI'll close it as fixed
02:29:29amiconnMore importantly, it was when I added disk poweroff for PP502x targets
02:29:38amiconn(ipods, actually)
02:29:50Nico_PI couldn't remember the "name" of the feature :)
02:30:15amiconnThe HZ/50 were just a safety measure which turned out to be not safe enough
02:30:23Nico_PI was unsure about whether it fixed the issue reported in FS #8260 because you didn't mention the 5.5G in your commit
02:30:37Nico_Pdid you speak with jhMikeS about it?
02:31:05amiconnSome comments seem to be unrelated though (e.g. the first one - sansa e280 isn't hdd based)
02:31:14LambdaCalculus37Llorean: Would gigbeat-s be ok?
02:31:51amiconnNico_P: You could of course test on G5.5, with th especial kludge disabled, although I doubt that it's the same problem
02:32:08amiconnThe mini even showed this dropout which the kludge enabled
02:33:14*amiconn still doesn't understand why he didn't notice it earlier
02:33:20Nico_PI never had that problem on the 5.5G, but IIRC GodEater had it. I will try but I'm almost sure the issue is unrelated, as you said
02:33:35LambdaCalculus37Nico_P: What problem was this?
02:33:39LambdaCalculus37Just curious.
02:34:02Nico_PLambdaCalculus37: FS #8260, audio dropouts
02:34:41LambdaCalculus37Nico_P: Ahh.
02:35:13amiconnThe strange thing is that my other PP502x target (H10, PP5020) was totally unaffected. It might be a PP5022 specific bug
02:36:00amiconnThen it would also apply to G5 and G5.5
02:36:46pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: if I was you I would probably stick to "gigabeats" for now because that's what you're used to. We can still decide on a rename later, as I said if it's used consistently you could replace it quite easily I guess
02:37:24LambdaCalculus37pixelma: "gigabeats" it is.
02:37:29Nico_Pamiconn: it was definitely reported on the 5.5G at leasr
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02:37:45*LambdaCalculus37 fixes up all instances of "gigabeast" on the manual
02:37:55Nico_Pamiconn: I think you're going to have a few more fans for fixing that one :)
02:37:56*pixelma sleeps
02:38:04DerPapstgood night :-)
02:38:09amiconnWe'll see
02:38:09LambdaCalculus37Good night!
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02:40:21LambdaCalculus37Nico_P: Some Gigabeast manual work; can you check the highlighted spot and tell me if the buttons sound right?
02:41:37Nico_Pthe names sound right, yeah
02:43:06LambdaCalculus37Now I've got to change all of the keymaps from the F keys to the S keys.
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02:48:56*LambdaCalculus37 is going to go relax for a while
02:49:24voltagexnew H340 turned up today!!!
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03:04:07RomanianHiya all
03:04:12RomanianAnyone here have the Zune?
03:04:22RoC_MasterMindI can't seem to get rockbox to play any videos.
03:04:43RoC_MasterMindI am transcoding with vlc, like 512kb mpeg2 PS, I tried both audio as mpeg audio and mp3 128k.
03:05:14RoC_MasterMindOne it just shows a black screen, the other it shows an initial screen but nothing after that, then after that it fills with colored static and is frozen
03:05:23Romaniandownload WinFF
03:06:27RoC_MasterMindmy friend has a zune
03:06:27RomanianRoC_MasterMind: Which music player do you have?
03:06:33RoC_MasterMindtoshiba gigabeat f40
03:06:35RomanianAnd what is your operating system?
03:06:44RoC_MasterMindsame price as ipod 4th gen but color screen and 2x bigger hard drive
03:06:53RoC_MasterMindrockbox is on the gigabeat, my friends zune is original OS
03:07:01RomanianI mean your computer
03:07:07RoC_MasterMindUbuntu 7.10.
03:07:15Romanianah, nice :)
03:07:26Romaniandownload that
03:07:36Romanianand then replace the presets.xml list with....
03:07:45RoC_MasterMindthey removed xmms in 8.04 and audacity wastes playlist space with whitespace and has lag
03:07:52LloreanRomanian: Why recommend an outdated version?
03:07:58Llorean0.41 comes with Rockbox presets built in.
03:08:06RoC_MasterMindI think i might be able to install it from my own repo, but I'll sitck with 7.10 for now on my dekstop
03:08:11RoC_MasterMindI got hte latest version installing right now of winff
03:08:22RomanianLlorean: Does it? I wasn't aware.
03:08:28LloreanRoC_MasterMind: xmms /audacity /etc is irrelevant here.
03:08:49RomanianI've been away from RockBox/computers for a while
03:08:53LloreanRoC_MasterMind: My point is, this is an on-topic channel. wasn't for a minute there.
03:09:21RomanianLlorean: Do I know you from a different IRC channel?
03:11:43RoC_MasterMinddang...winff looks cool but ffmpeg gives me error when I goto convert:
03:12:22LloreanRoC_MasterMind: This is most likely because the ubuntu version of it comes without an MP3 encoder.
03:12:41RoC_MasterMindI wonder what that package is
03:12:50RomanianRoC_MasterMind: sudo apt-get install lame
03:12:56LloreanThat won't fix the problem.
03:12:57Romanianthat's the MP3 encoder
03:13:06Lloreanffmpeg has to be compiled with it in.
03:13:06Romanianbut I don't know if it'll work with WinFF
03:13:15RoC_MasterMindlame is already installed
03:13:30RoC_MasterMindthat's LAME
03:13:30LloreanYou'll need to compile your own build of ffmpeg to get mp3 support in it.
03:14:25RoC_MasterMindif I knew the right options I'm sure VLC could do it
03:14:44RoC_MasterMindWHat's wrong with 512kb mpeg2 PS, I tried both audio as mpeg audio and mp3 128k.
03:14:46LloreanWell the PluginMpegplayer wiki page tells the requirements for a file to play in Rockbox.
03:14:51RoC_MasterMindyeah yeah
03:14:55RoC_MasterMindI've tried it like four times
03:15:06RomanianLlorean: do you know anything about the A3/
03:15:32LloreanRoC_MasterMind: There's a sample command line for VLC even, are you using that?
03:15:36LloreanRomanian: No.
03:15:41RoC_MasterMindlet me find that
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03:25:32DerPapst_flyspray is still yelling at me Warning: mime_magic: invalid type 0 in mconvert(). in /usr/share/flyspray/htdocs/includes/class.flyspray.php on line 967
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03:50:38yeal`what program do you guys use to convert flv/youtube to mpeg 4 video?
03:51:11Hillshumstay on topic please
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03:53:25OverandI have a build from mid to late 2007 running on my iPod 5g, 60G - will I need to update the bootloader or anything weird?
03:53:28yeal`this is for ipod
03:53:31OverandI've updated the bootloader once.
03:53:36Lloreanyeal`: Rockbox does not play mpeg 4.
03:53:55LloreanOverand: You shouldn't need to, I think.
03:54:11yeal`rockbox has mpeg playback
03:54:23Lloreanmpeg-1 and mpeg-2.
03:54:45OverandLlorean: I've been holding off on updating because this version has been nearly flawless, and i'd gone to builds before that weren't as stable
03:54:57Overandif i don't need to make a bootloader change i may just back up the old install though
03:55:06LloreanBacking up the old install is never a bad idea.
03:55:26Overandi remember there was a change that required a booloader update
03:55:36Overandi think it was when another core got enabled or somesuch
03:56:00LloreanThe bootloader for that dates to early '07, if I recall.
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03:56:46yeal`what program do you guys use to convert flv/youtube to mpeg 2 video?
03:57:10Lloreanyeal`: the PluginMpegplayer page in the wiki suggests several ones that work really well.
03:58:38Overandit has mpeg2 support now?
03:58:50LloreanOverand: The video player has always been mpeg-1/2
03:58:54Overandor did it always - ithought it only did 1
03:59:16LloreanPeople often misrepresent it. There's a real problem with people spreading bad information, unfortunately. They just don't read the documentation.
03:59:36OverandI assume that the 'tv-out' chip han't been figuredo ut yet
03:59:57yeal`do all of you use an ipod for rockbox?
04:00:00LloreanVery little is done with the specialty hardware in the iPod 5G in Rockbox. It's really currently the worst target to play video on, really.
04:00:17OverandLlorean: Yeah - but I'm not hugely interested in it for video
04:00:23*Overand has an eeepc
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04:00:39OverandI carry that nearly everywhere I carry my iPod that would be a place i'd potentially want video
04:00:43yeal`do you use linux or windows on your eeepc
04:00:48Overandyeal`: xubuntu
04:00:49scorcheyeal`: offtopic..
04:01:03Overandyeal`: see topic, join
04:01:26yeal`what is the current topic?
04:01:42Lloreanyeal`: Rockbox.
04:01:48yeal`we have a fixed topic now?
04:01:55LloreanThere's always been a fixed topic in here.
04:02:01LloreanPlease read the IrcGuidelines page in the wiki.
04:02:21yeal`yeah, like you were here when we started this channel
04:02:50JdGordonholy crap! green table!
04:03:04*JdGordon goes to work fixing that
04:03:05LloreanJdGordon: Indeed, and it's stayed that way for a little while now. Be Careful.
04:04:24yeal`what aspect ratio should i use 16:9 or 4:3 ?
04:04:30yeal`for the ipod
04:04:35yeal`so it is widescreen and the same
04:04:53LloreanYou use the aspect ratio of the original video.
04:05:06LloreanWidescreen is usually 16:9
04:05:34yeal`i think it is 320 by 240
04:05:39Llorean"?" tells me very little about what part of the sentence confused you. Since I think it contains enough information, I don't know how to restate it without you being more explicit as to which part gave you problem.
04:06:08yeal`how do i find asepect ratio of flv files
04:06:16Llorean320x240 is 4:3, you'll notice that 320/4 = 240/3
04:06:51yeal`so 16:9 is 1600/920 or something
04:07:15Llorean16:9 is any video where width/16 = height/9.
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04:12:13saratogahmm the Gigabeast CPU "book" is almot 2400 pages long
04:13:18LloreanAt least it ought to be useful.
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04:28:32yeal`does rockbox or ipod like .mpg files or .avi files more?
04:29:36cool_walking_Rockbox only supports MPEG1/2 - see
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04:31:21yeal`how is ipod os different
04:31:29yeal`does it like .avi or .mpg more?
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04:31:54cool_walking_I was going to say that...
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05:07:11alienbiker99hmm i m trying to build after this latest S commit, but i am getting multiple warnings regarding the LANG_BRIGHTNESS
05:09:37aliaskalienbiker99: make clean then make
05:13:23alienbiker99thanks, that worked
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05:50:07HiddenShadowhi, i was wondering how i could delete my database and rebuild it, or if i just go to init. now, will that rebuild it for me?
05:56:09HiddenShadownever mind i got still confused though since it says its found more than 5000+ entries...i only have around 3000 sounds, or does the 5000+ entries mean something else? (tags etc, etc.)
05:56:19HiddenShadow3000 songs*
05:57:37saratogai think that usually means you have songs on the disk you don't know about
05:58:07HiddenShadowweird...cuz i deleted the songs itunes had on there (from ipod_control/music)
06:00:36HiddenShadowanyways whatever, im just happy i dont have to touch itunes, even if rockbox gives me lower battery life..but then again i might have to use it for videos/photos because its faster :P
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06:08:19AdRock420????. My Sansa e260 just fully crapped out on me after only 3 months. I love rockbox to death and was wondering out of the mp3 player builds, which is my best bet for reliability and quality when using rockbox? I'm done with sansa and thier crap hardware. Any suggestions
06:08:53AdRock420As far as which mp3 player to get that will be the best to use with rockbox software
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06:22:06HiddenShadowwow...someones impatient.
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06:47:04blizzybluntis there anywhere on the main site to find out which build is coming along faster for a cowon d2 and a cowon iaudio 7?
06:48:10saratogai don't think there is a port to 7, so it would be the D2
06:50:19saratogahmm actually there is, didn't notice some of that went in
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06:56:48jpt9When'd you guys get rid of the light blue background on the boot screen?
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06:58:19yeal`where is album art usually saved at
06:58:28yeal`i check my ipod directory and it does not ahve any jpg filesin it
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07:01:51saratogajpt9: tuesday I think
07:01:56yeal`where is album art usually saved at
07:01:59yeal`i check my ipod directory and it does not ahve any jpg filesin it
07:02:11saratogayeal': don't repeat questions
07:02:26advcomp2019yeal`, you read the album art wiki?
07:02:32saratogarockbox doesn't support jpeg album art anyway
07:06:32yeal`well i am not sure that the album art is saved as jpg
07:06:43yeal`just the original files are jpg
07:06:47yeal`then you copy it to id3
07:06:48yeal`or someting
07:08:22HiddenShadowit only takes bmp's...i tried using the rockbox aa on the wiki, it was horrible
07:08:33yeal`where does it save bmps?
07:08:50HiddenShadowIt doesn't?
07:09:19HiddenShadowyou have to convert it from the jpeg or get the album art seperately and put it into a 100x100 bmp
07:09:22HiddenShadowi think*
07:09:30yeal`but where is the bmp at?
07:09:34yeal`i don't see it in the file folder
07:09:43HiddenShadowdo you use itunes/
07:10:02yeal`i use itunes
07:11:02HiddenShadowwell if you got the artwork from itunes store, it puts it into a lame file which isn't a jpeg :/
07:11:12HiddenShadowcuz i just checked: C:\Documents and Settings\[YOUR USERNAME]\My Documents\My Music\iTunes\Album Artwork
07:11:32HiddenShadowand it shows a bunch of folders with files in them (which aren't jpg)
07:12:10yeal`my album art ain't there
07:12:25yeal`is it saved in the id3 or properities is it saved in the mp3 file?
07:12:37yeal`i think it is saved in the id3 tag
07:12:41yeal`but i don't know how
07:12:55saratogathis probably isn't the best place to ask about how itunes works
07:13:57yeal`i am asking how mp3 and id3 tags work
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07:28:37HiddenShadowyeal: im stuck in the same boat as you :/
07:28:53HiddenShadowand ive just gotten off that boat and given up...for sleep that is :P
07:29:17HiddenShadowbut i think album art can be embedded into a mp3
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07:29:32HiddenShadowso you'd have to do it yourself one by one or find a batch program
07:29:41HiddenShadowits just that itunes doesn't do it
07:31:23HiddenShadowyou should use media monkey, it embeds the album art
07:31:39HiddenShadowbut then again, does rockbox use embedded album art? or only bmp's
07:31:56HiddenShadowwhich are seperately placed
07:32:27advcomp2019there is a tool called rockaa that you could try
07:32:49HiddenShadowor i didn't understand it
07:32:49HiddenShadowtried it and didn't help
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07:33:31yeal`i put a post on winamp forum, i hope someone can tell me how album art gets saved there i guess
07:33:48yeal`i heard media monkey is slow because itis rough on the cpu
07:35:47advcomp2019on the album art wiki, there is RockAA.. i have good luck with it
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07:37:21yeal`i am using iARt to get album art right now
07:37:24yeal`it uses itunes
07:37:38yeal`and relies on amazon and google search database
07:37:44yeal`it can automatically find the album art too
07:37:53yeal`it found only 70% of my 5k library though
07:37:57yeal`i have to find the rest
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07:40:22yeal`i am using rockbox only because it can sort files by album artists
07:41:05yeal`actually i guess i could use ipod os if i make them all compliation albums
07:41:10yeal`the ones that are problematic
07:41:24yeal`i just might
07:41:32B4gdermonologue time!
07:42:42B4gderyeal`: the Rockbox AA approach is documented, use that or you won't get to see AA in rockbox. As simple as that
07:43:29yeal`what do you mean
07:43:38yeal`i could add album art through winamp
07:43:41yeal`there are many ways
07:43:57yeal`and the album art stays there even if i move the song files to different folders
07:43:59B4gderif all is good then fine
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08:08:30mrkikoHi all! Surely something is not going right with rockbox in my case. Sometimes when I re-start the player, rockbox resumes the wrong file :)
08:13:58aliaskAt the moment the gigabeast keymap file is kind of inconsistent - especially with regard to cancelling stuff. I want to get a consistent keymap, but I need input
08:16:24aliaskAs it stands both the back button and the power button are being used (in different places) to perform cancel-like actions. Do I make it so that either work, or only power, or only back?
08:20:03Lloreanaliask: On most players, the "stop" function/button serves as "back" in many cases. I'd say that it should probably be both.
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08:21:07aliaskThat brings up another point, what do we want stop to be? Back, or long play?
08:21:56aliaskI'd be happy with that.
08:22:29aliaskOh, it's already that. Goodo.
08:23:33aliaskAlso, should we start updating the images in the manual with screenshots of the menu with the new default theme rather than the outdated rockbox-blue/sysfont look?
08:24:02LloreanI'd say it's not a big deal, but it's worth doing at some point so no harm in getting a start on it.
08:24:29*aliask takes note and adds all this to his todo
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09:19:40amiconnhi petur
09:20:03amiconnIs there anything specific I should document of my Mini CF mod?
09:20:18peturdid you need to do anything special?
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09:22:28amiconnFirst an ipod specific thing: I needed to dd the MBR + firmware partition, in order to avoid needing ipodupdater and installing the bootloader again
09:23:51amiconnThe other 2 special things are purely mechanical:
09:24:17amiconnThe rubber corners from the microdrive need to be left out, otherwise the mini wouldn't fit into its case (the microdrive is actually 1mm less wide than a regular cf card), but they're not needed anymore anyway
09:24:56MauSHey amiconn ^_^
09:24:59amiconnand I had to put some folded cardboard between the crad and the back of the case in order to support the pcb + cf card sandwich
09:25:00MauSGood morning :D
09:25:25MauSamiconn, any news about the rippling/blanking bug on M3?
09:25:29amiconnEverything else worked right out of the box
09:25:50amiconnMauS: Not yet, but this is the bug I'll tackle next, now that I solved the dropout on Mini
09:26:16peturamiconn: you think we should convert the CFMod wiki page to a list of moddable targets and something with pictures to show the process for each?
09:26:27MauSamiconn, i've read some reports of successful using Rockbox on M3. Am i a loser? :)
09:27:10linuxstbpetur: Maybe keep the CFMod page as an index page (with lists of compatible targets and CF cards), but put device-specific instructions on their own pages?
09:27:57peturI think most stuff on the CFMod page is obsolete except maybe the table with CF cards
09:28:24peturand my h300 bootloader, which all h300 modders seem to use ;)
09:28:25amiconnMauS: I am using it successfully on M3. And no, you're not a loser, you're just experiencing differences in hardware behaviour between individual devices
09:28:43MauSOh i see
09:29:07amiconnI need to make the transfer slower in order to make it work reliable on all iaudios, but this slowdown should be kept as little as possible
09:29:21amiconnThat's why I need to prepare a set of test builds
09:31:01amiconnpetur: Do you want me to add the card's identify info?
09:31:47peturif you think it is worth it... so far it looks like all cards now work...
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09:33:26aliaskIs there a way to get the output of latex to be slightly less verbose, debugging is near impossible with so much crap
09:37:44GodEaterlatex >& /dev/null ? :D
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09:39:01linuxstbaliask: Fix the warnings...
09:39:58aliaskNo thanks... :P
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09:58:52n1shmm, no .pdf version of the gigabeast's front image, I guess that's what breaks the build for me...
09:59:18aliaskInkscape can't export a working pdf unfortunately
10:00:01n1sany idea how the others were made?
10:00:22aliaskI think CorelDraw was used to create the other svg's - that probably can export to pdf
10:01:50n1smaybe someone with coreldraw can import the svg and export pdf then...
10:02:16n1saliask: btw, do you think FS #8792 can be closed now?
10:08:11*LinusN doesn't understand why disktidy is a viewer in FS #8637
10:11:45peturfirst you view the dirt?
10:12:23LinusNwell, it is a viewer for .dtdy files (the config files)
10:13:21peturbah... with that logic, you can make patience a viewer of its saved games...
10:14:04LinusNmy thinking as well
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10:30:47aliaskpixelma: Hi there!
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10:30:59pixelmaaliask, n1s: the final brush up of the other svg were all made with inkscape as well. The pdfs were created by exporting an eps file from inkscape and then running epstopdf
10:31:19pixelmaI believe it's in the wiki somewhere, I'll search
10:31:23aliaskAha. Thanks :)
10:31:46*pondlife also votes for disktidy to NOT be a viewer, as if anyone cared...
10:32:11linuxstbWhy does disktidy need to have any config at all? i.e. just delete all files for all OSes...
10:33:57pixelmaaliask: did you know that LambdaCalculus also worked on a gigabeast manual? (or is this his work?
10:34:10aliaskNo, I had no idea
10:34:25aliaskDid he post his work anywhere?
10:34:31pondlifelinuxstb: I agree with you.. who introduced the config option?
10:35:14LinusNa config option is still nice for the user, if he wants to clean file that disktidy doesn't know about
10:35:44pondlifeAh, I thought it was just a choice of OS... I'm out of date, I fear
10:35:59pondlifeThat's what happens when you go away for weeks.
10:37:07pondlifeLinusN: Any closer to a new H300 bootloader release, or are we waiting for you and petur to get to DevCon?
10:37:37LinusNi have very little time to work on it before devcon
10:37:45pondlifeNo problem.
10:38:07pondlifeIt'll be nice to not have the background colour change 3 times on boot though :)
10:38:11pixelmaaliask: he showed parts of it (posted on pastebin), the links must be in today's log even (maybe started in late yesterday's)
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10:46:59peturLinusN: I now have my bootloader also hang up many times when attaching USB... weird stuff happening :/
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11:04:38aliaskHrm, my computer didn't seem to like that EPS. There also seem to some glitches in the eps->pdf conversion process.
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11:08:52jhMikeSamiconn: so the core was indeed hanging after all? I suppose it makes sense. Only thing is that on S, I may want to put the whole sleep inside ide_power_enable to wait for power to stabilize before turning the bus switch on.
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11:14:59pixelmaaliask: what happens? I seem to remember that I also had a problem at first (pdfs were rotated when I didn't want them to) and it turned out that I had an older version of epstopdf, updating helped
11:17:56aliaskHard to explain, the face of the player had vertical stripes on it, the outline strokes of objects were thicker than they should have been and a few other little things
11:18:27aliaskBut at the moment opening any files made from the svg instantly eat 100% of my ram and slow my PC to a crawl...
11:21:04B4gderall these new flash targets are crap as tower components
11:26:18timmy8765hey, is the current build for ipod video broken?
11:26:36pixelmaaliask: the transparency is probably the problem here
11:27:38aliaskpixelma: Any quick fixes?
11:28:16pixelmais it only one object that is transparent?
11:28:21linuxstbtimmy8765: I don't think anyone else has reported problems. What's wrong?
11:28:43timmy8765I upgraded from a few days ago, and my scroll wheel won't work
11:29:03timmy8765I already tried reinstalling, and the apple firmware works fine
11:31:18aliaskpixelma: You mean the invisible layer "reference"?
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11:33:30pixelmaaliask: I mean alpha transparency and it seems to be used in a few places (can't understand why for the things I found btw.)
11:34:35aliaskI made this thing ages ago, so I don't really remember what I did exactly. I'll take a look through it and see if getting rid of the alpha helps things along
11:37:32pixelmaI can only open this svg in inkscape (I can open the others in CorelDraw as well and work on them), so I think it's not standard. I'll probably give improving it a go anyways but not now...
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11:39:50pixelmaI had problems with alpha transparency too (with the e200.svg that I got from someone else and only wanted to label correctly etc.), removing the alpha completely fixed it
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12:17:25linuxstbDo we have an official Gigabeat S bootloader download?
12:17:56GodEaterif we do it's new since yesterday
12:18:01GodEatercos BigBambi had to build me one
12:18:17BigBambithe one I built it still there
12:18:22BigBambiif anyone wants it
12:18:58BigBambilinuxstb: I guess the problem is we can't offer the dual boot one, and at this stage you really do want that (for charging)
12:19:01B4gderif we just have some confidence in one, we could put it up for download
12:20:14BigBambiB4gder: But we can't redistribute the patched OF one, can we?
12:20:56B4gderI was thinking about the rockbox one
12:21:23BigBambiYep, but since RB doesn't do charging yet, dual boot for most people is probably kind of important
12:22:02*linuxstb is currently drafting some install instructions
12:22:10GodEaterdo you need that BL even to charge over the DC power cord ?
12:22:15GodEateror is it just for charging over USB ?
12:22:25BigBambiGodEater: Good point, don't know
12:22:32linuxstbBigBambi: Ah, that explains why my S doesn't seem to charge then...
12:23:01BigBambilinuxstb: yeah, you need to enable charging in software
12:23:13BigBambiI don't know if that is for mains as well, or just usb
12:25:09GodEatersomeone should try it and see :)
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12:25:51*jhMikeS has charged his battery in rockbox but won't commit code without a proper algorithm
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12:26:40jhMikeSit's my next thing to do anyway
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12:28:59linuxstbjhMikeS: Nice... Do you think that will be enough for a "v1.0" bootloader release?
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12:31:43n1slinuxstb: i wanted to get some things in like turning off the backlight in bootloader usb mode and displaying the battery voltage but i guess it can wait to v1.1
12:32:32jhMikeSlinuxstb: Actualy I'm adding backlight handling in there atm but that's not such a big thing. Charging needs a new algorithm so if it can charge and handle that, I'd say it's probably very close. I'm still bugged about the "unhandled IRQ" stuff - which really has the core in interrupt mode with no pending interrupt.
12:33:35linuxstbIMO, a v1 release doesn't need to be perfect - just have the important features (USB, charging, ???) working well enough.
12:35:17*amiconn would suggest to use simple vN version numbers for the S bootloader
12:36:47*linuxstb too
12:36:59*jhMikeS extends that to vX.Y where "X" increments on release and "Y" increments on significant development changes and get's reset to 0 when "X" increments
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12:37:34linuxstbvX.Y can simply be known by their SVN revision...
12:37:57jhMikeShow about adding display of the revision number then?
12:38:34n1si think just v1, v2 is nicer
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12:40:35jhMikeSkeep the vN but also show the SVN revision is what I was saying
12:43:31BigBambion intermediates sure, but I think for releases just the vN would be nicer
12:49:32*preglow doesn't see a point with versioning stuff that isn't released
12:49:44preglowsvn revision is a good enough version as anything for unreleased cases
12:50:45BigBambisure, but if the vN is already there you can either remove or leave it for non-releases. I don't think it really matters to much :)
13:00:32linuxstbIIRC, the other bootloader show "vN" for releases, and the SVN revision for non-releases.
13:01:23*linuxstb made a first attempt at some install instructions -
13:03:26jhMikeSIsn't this TFAT thing based off FAT64?
13:03:40GodEaterso the wikipedia article suggests
13:04:50jhMikeSaka. exFAT. this factoid info is also available at the Microsoft site and the Wikipedia article was mostly just a cut and paste from that
13:06:58BigBambilinuxstb: looks good to me
13:07:24BigBambiThe lack of an OF nk.bin is a real arse though
13:08:33GodEaterwhy do we need one ?
13:08:40BigBambilinuxstb: Perhaps that page ought to have some kind of disclaimer at the top about there not currently being an official way to uninstall? (without 'locating' an OF nk.bin)
13:09:21BigBambiGodEater: for both dual booting, and more importantly, uninstalling
13:09:35GodEaterwhat's wrong with the Gigabeat V updater ?
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13:09:55BigBambiWe still can't officially distribute it
13:10:14BigBambiAs it is hacked to recognise the S
13:10:37BigBambiThe OF nk.bin is available, I'm just talking about what we can officially supply
13:10:47GodEaterok I get understand now
13:10:59GodEaterbrain not fully engaged with typing fingers it seems
13:12:27*jhMikeS never used the V updater since it never worked for him and used the restore instead
13:16:50jhMikeSwe need a "getfirm" or functionality in sendfirm to yank the nk.bin from the player if that's possible
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13:19:10linuxstbjhMikeS: I would be very surprised if that's possible - I can't think of a reason why they would have put that in the MTP spec...
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13:21:04*jhMikeS hasn't read the MTP spec and requests clarification
13:21:55linuxstbIIRC, sendfirm uses the MTP "sendfirm" command.
13:22:17*linuxstb doesn't think the MTP spec is public...
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13:23:03linuxstbLooking at the source, is uses the sendfile command with the FILETYPE_FIRMWARE flag
13:25:11Nico_Pto get a file you need its ID. nk.bin has no ID
13:25:29Nico_Psendfirm returns one, but it's bogus
13:28:38linuxstbAnd by then it's too late anyway...
13:30:32linuxstbMaybe it's worth asking the libmtp people?
13:31:09Nico_Pyes, maybe they know something. at least they could tell us whether the mtp spec includes something of the kind
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13:39:14linuxstbjhMikeS: I'm agreeing with that - for my telechips ports, I'm making the bootloader as close to a normal build as I can as well.
13:39:24pregloweach sd command can only have one response type, yes?
13:40:04jhMikeSlinuxstb: I sort of hacked usb.c to deal with that but it's not clean way imo
13:41:03jhMikeSThere's also little regard to properly closing the modules (I don't was SPI transfers in progress to the PMIC when code switches over - that goes for RoLo as well)
13:45:34*preglow kind of wishes the bootloaders would be out of the main rockbox source tree
13:45:45preglowbut i see how that might mean lots of work...
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15:23:44*LambdaCalculus37 sees that aliask beat him to the punch with Gigabeast manual work :P
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15:31:52LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Looks like aliask beat me to the punch with the initial beast manual work.
15:32:05LambdaCalculus37But at the same time, it gives me something to expand on. :)
15:32:22pixelmaI know, already talked to him a bit about it
15:33:25LambdaCalculus37Yeah, I saw the logs.
15:35:13pixelmahis svg is giving me trouble, can't make it work correctly in anything else than inkscape - and even there I get "undefined colour"s for fillings etc. even though it displays correctly
15:36:21LambdaCalculus37Weird. SVGs should work on any support app, shouldn't they?
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15:38:14pixelmait doesn't seem to be a standard svg - inkscape self allows saving an "inkscape svg" and a "normal svg" (I am running a German version, maybe it's called differently in English) but saving as "normal" didn't help me
15:39:21LambdaCalculus37I think you should ask him to give you another SVG, but to make sure to save it as a normal SVG with no weird "undefined colors" used anywhere.
15:39:43*pixelma considers drawing an own version, maybe reusing the outlines but this will take a bit of time
15:40:13linuxstbHave you tried exporting it from inkscape to "normal svg", and reloading?
15:42:19pixelmayes, well I can only "save as" normal svg and then tried to import to CorelDraw which works for other svgs I tried
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15:50:17pixelmathe beast has a lot of buttons...
15:50:44LambdaCalculus3713 buttons, plus the hold switch.
15:51:01LambdaCalculus37And I used to think the H320 had a lot of buttons. :)
15:51:16pixelmaor the c200 :\
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16:29:25gevaertsamiconn: someone seems to have the M3 remote problem on an X5 :
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16:36:20pixelmagevaerts: that's reported for all lcd remotes and there's a bug report for it
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17:02:57low_lightgevaerts: are you a bluetooth expert too?
17:03:18*gevaerts knows nearly nothing about bluetooth
17:04:31low_lightok...I picked up an insignia ns-dv player. there's also version with bluetooth.
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17:05:17*LambdaCalculus37 thinks low_light is going to hold the record for "Most Rockbox Targets ported in a Single Go" :)
17:06:56low_lightI think the insignia ns-dv, iriver x20, and philips sa6045 are all nearly identical
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17:08:15low_lightbut I think toffe82 wants me to concentrate on committing the sa9200 port first
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17:10:35LambdaCalculus37Isn't the SA9200 port relatively trivial, since the majority of the hardware is identical to that of the e200? Or is this all a load of dingo's kidneys?'s done (except for buttons). I've just been swamped with work.
17:12:18LambdaCalculus37No problem. Take your time, then. :)
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17:23:20amiconnlinuxstb: I am watching all three
17:23:29amiconnoops, wrong channel
17:25:02toffe82low_light: I want the commit ;)
17:26:12toffe82low_light: do you hae the file you use to dump the bootloader ?
17:26:19toffe82have ^^
17:27:15toffe82I am not really good at doing that, and I don't have so many time so if I have the base, I can do it I think
17:27:55toffe82low_light: I got another gogear the hdd 1630
17:28:01toffe82for 1$
17:28:04low_lightI just modified bootloader/main-pp.c. The section where is says dump hidden partition.
17:29:55low_lightyou could use the tpj1022 bootloader (if it still works). It's minimal and you could just have it dump the flash to disk.
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17:30:21low_lightAre those gogears also MTP only?
17:30:36toffe82same thing
17:31:13toffe82I began the wiki on the hdd6330 and am waiting for the hdd1630
17:32:35low_lightIs the firmware in System directory like the H10 and m:robe100?
17:33:17toffe82ther is a system directory visible but nothing in it
17:33:40toffe82like the sa9200
17:34:45toffe82but they work the same way as the sa9200, there is a recovery mode and service mode too
17:35:42toffe82I read somwhere that if you copy a file in the system folder, the player should upgrade, but I think it works only if the version is higher than the one installed
17:36:03LambdaCalculus37toffe82: I just did a little cleanup of the HDD6330 page for you. Mostly grammatical cleanup.
17:36:34low_lightyou say on the wiki that in service mode it's a mass storage device
17:37:58toffe82LambdaCalculus37: thanks
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17:38:23toffe82yes, but I didn't try it yet
17:39:27low_lightIs there only one partition on the drive? on the sa9200, the bootloader and firmware are stored on a hidden partition.
17:42:49low_lighttoffe82: does the 6330 have a WM dac?
17:43:20low_lightor is it PP5022 + AS3514 like the c200?
17:43:20toffe82I have an image of the disk of the hdd6330 (I didn't do it) and it shows 2 system folder and one contain the FWimage.ebn
17:43:40toffe82it is a 5022
17:44:02toffe82I didn't open it yet, but there is a photo on the wiki
17:44:18LambdaCalculus37There seems to be very little information about the hardware listed on the wiki.
17:44:51toffe82yes, I have to do it but it was you player or the hdd6330 ;)
17:45:43LambdaCalculus37toffe82: At least the scan is really nice and sharp. :)
17:45:51*low_light waits while scan loads
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17:46:11*LambdaCalculus37 can just make out an SST logo on one of the chips on the top
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17:58:19low_lightThe SST chip is SST39WF400A "Silicon Storage Technology, Inc. :: 4 Mbit (x16) Multi-Purpose Flash"
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17:59:45toffe82put it on the wiki :)
18:01:43low_lightI can't log on the wiki from work (or do svn commits) ;)
18:04:05LambdaCalculus37low_light: Let me take care of it. I can log onto the wiki here at work.
18:05:25*LambdaCalculus37 adds the SST chip info to the wiki
18:07:10low_lightThe one below it is Samsung SDRAM K4S51163PF
18:08:06low_light 8M X 16BIT X 4 BANKS MOBILE SDRAM
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18:10:21LambdaCalculus37low_light: Should I also mention the markings on the HD connector?
18:10:59jonny19could someone help me with a problem please :)
18:11:11LambdaCalculus37jonny19: Ask your question.
18:11:14Mouser_Xjonny19: If you have something to say, or ask, then as it. We can't read minds.
18:11:26Mouser_X(At least, I can't.)
18:12:22jonny19Does anyone know how to change the start up rockbox logo to my own image? i've been searching the forums but not having much luck
18:12:36toffe82low_light: whst is the screen resolution of the sa9200 ?
18:13:58jonny19I am using an ipod 4th gen greyscale
18:14:25linuxstbjonny19: The short answer is that you can't. The long answer is that Rockbox is open source, meaning that if you compile it yourself, it's possible to use a different image (and change anything else you want - if you are able to program).
18:14:33amiconnjhMikeS: I'd rather enable the bus transceiver together with powering up the disk. Otherwise you'll have some floating pins until enabling the transceiver
18:14:52low_lighttoffe82: 160x128
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18:15:26jonny19okay, so assuming I have no programing experience at all, there's no way then ;)
18:16:22linuxstbjonny19: Just changing the logo is relatively easy - the hard part is setting up a development environment and compiling your own version of Rockbox. But there are lots of instructions on the website and threads in forums about that.
18:16:45linuxstbBut it doesn't require programming experience as such.
18:17:09jonny19Alright, well thanks for the help
18:17:19low_lighttoffe82, LambdaCalculus37: I still don't see the audio DAC chip
18:17:53toffe82perhaps on the othe side
18:18:58LambdaCalculus37Most likely. There may be a few other chips on the other side that may be interesting.
18:19:11linuxstbIsn't the DAC incorporated in the PP5024 (the AMS part) ?
18:19:32LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: This one's a PP5022B.
18:19:51linuxstbWhat device are we talking about?
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18:20:09LambdaCalculus37Oops. :)
18:20:17LambdaCalculus37I was talking about the GoGear HDD6330.
18:20:35LambdaCalculus37low_light and toffe82 were discussing the SA9200 earlier.
18:20:48*linuxstb checks the other wiki page...
18:21:18low_lightI'm talking hdd6330
18:21:33low_lightI don't know about the rest of you :)
18:22:05*LambdaCalculus37 should stop brain farting :P
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18:22:57toffe82we are talking of the gogear series, make your choice ;)
18:23:11*linuxstb gives up...
18:25:07*linuxstb gives up trying to follow this conversation ;)
18:25:48low_lighttrying to id the chips on the scan here
18:26:54amiconnlow_light: Where's the other side's scan?
18:27:17toffe82I have to do it, this one was already on the wiki
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18:27:29low_lightdon't know. I don't have one.
18:27:45toffe82I will try to do it this week end
18:28:10amiconnThe main chips on the available scan are already identified: PP5022, RAM, and flash eprom
18:28:49low_lightthey are now ;)
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18:54:40jhMikeSamiconn: The bus switch has two enables 1) It's powered by the same switch as the HD 2) A separate GPIO line to actually connect the drive to the ATA pins on the SoC. They're supposed to be in high impedance until lines on the other side are stable (namely during power switching)
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19:18:48*GodEater would just like to take this opportunity to thank jhMikeS for all the hard work he's put in on the beast. Just did the new bootloader install, and now have a very happy beast!
19:19:18low_lightamiconn: any plans to add lcd sleep & power off to the c200?
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19:21:40amiconnlow_light: I didn't really do much with the c240 so far (apart from installing rockbox and putting some music on it)
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19:26:41low_lightamiconn: that's probably the only function that's still missing
19:26:59amiconnIt's missing for other targets too though
19:27:06low_lightand there's still the problem of the disappearing FM on some c200's
19:27:08amiconn...which I will probably work on earlier
19:27:28amiconnBut first I have to fix the remote lcd driver mess
19:28:39amiconnOne thing I am planning to do for c200 (and e200 and Ondio) is cleaning up the hotswap code. This will allow us to get rid of all #ifdef TARGET_TREE
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19:43:32*preglow is going to add another HAVE_HOTSWAP code section
19:44:04linuxstbpreglow: You're working on a D2 SD driver?
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19:45:06preglowlinuxstb: yeah
19:45:16preglowseems like it should be a doable task
19:46:35preglowworst case, it'll be ten times easier than a nand driver, so...
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19:53:28*low_light saw that the D2 now comes in a 16GB flavor
19:54:43advcomp2019yea it does
19:54:46*preglow wishes it did that some weeks ag
19:55:02linuxstbIs that actually available now? It was announced/rumoured months ago.
19:55:14advcomp2019yea.. jetmall has it
19:55:51preglowseems to one in norway has it anyway
19:56:13low_lightmaybe just the FM version now
19:56:25preglowwell, in that case it wouldn't have mattered
19:56:27*preglow hugs his dab
19:56:53preglowbasing my storage needs on sd cards seems to be smarter code-wise anyway...
19:57:47low_lightInteresting...the TCC8200 has a hardware JPEG decoder
19:58:06preglowi think the 78x has that too
19:58:57preglowat least it can accelerate some of the operations in it, like idct and dequantization
19:59:00low_lightGood...I'm hoping there are a lot of similarities between the 8200 and the 78x
19:59:33preglowyeah, i'm looking forward to exploring those parts of the chip
19:59:38preglowthough it might take some time to do so
19:59:48low_lightIt'll make porting easier
20:00:38*LambdaCalculus37 has the whole lot of Telechips datasheets on his thumb drive
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20:33:28preglowwhat does HAVE_MULTIVOLUME without HAVE_HOTSWAP mean, really? several disks in one player?
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20:34:03amiconnpreglow: It can also mean two (or more) partitions
20:34:09fmlAny manual experts here? In the recently commit to playback_options.tex (r17429) there is an \opt gigabeats directly follwed by a \nopt with 'gigabeats' inside. Is it ok?
20:34:09preglowamiconn: ahhh, of course
20:34:22preglowamiconn: for some reaason, having more than one never really occured to me
20:34:29amiconnThat's even needed if you mod an archos with a >136GB hdd
20:35:03fml^ in the A-B snippet
20:35:55preglowfml: eh, why wouldn't it be?
20:36:46fmlpreglow: what does 'nopt' mean? "Do it if these options are not active"?
20:37:30preglowopt{} means "do this if argument is defined", nopt{} means "do this if none of these arguments are defined"
20:38:04preglownow that i think about it, i don't think i've ever used nopt
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20:40:47fmlpreglow: Ahhh! Now I see! It's all correct. nopt should list all the options which occur above in \opt.
20:41:06preglowyeah, so it executes if none of them are true
20:41:12*pixelma deletes started explanation
20:41:12preglowmakes sense, since it's a TODO
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20:47:21fmlpixelma: In the c200 manual, section 2.3.2 (Manual installation), part "Bootloader installation from Windows", No. 3, could you please add quotation marks in "press i followed by ENTER"? That would be better I think.
20:47:41fmlI don't want to create a patch for such a small change
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20:49:57fmlIs 40 EUR a good price for a new c200 v1?
20:50:27gevaertsc240 or c250 ?
20:54:13pixelmafml: the patch would probably get larger because the ipod installation chapter is very similar... but I actually wanted to rework the installation chapter anyways, the actual writing is just a tedious task especially for a non-native speaker - all I've got so far is a collection of info (and thoughts what's missing in my opinion) and thoughts towards a new structure
20:55:10bluebrotherfml: you should be aware that nopt can't be cascaded −− i.e. it's "not re-entrant safe" (as it tricks around with opt a bit)
20:55:40pixelmaI should probably put that list somewhere for others (maybe native speakers) to look at
20:56:12*bluebrother suggests the ManualTodo wiki page
20:56:52pixelmawhen I last looked that page was awfully outdated, that would mean I had to update a lot on there too :\
20:57:02LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Regarding what we were discussing yesterday about Feb's patch for the manual in FS #8658... do you think it should be committed, or do you feel that it needs a little extra work?
20:58:17pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: would have thought it needs a little extra work, there was at least one typo ;) but I also missed some things IIRC
20:59:25LambdaCalculus37pixelma: I'll clean it up really quick and pastebin it.
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21:01:16pixelmabluebrother: I wanted to add a few missing *_PAD in the button table of the lamp plugin (and spell the X5 one correctly, and reduce the "long press..."), the problem is that if I do the whole "toggle colour" line vanishes for all colour target manuals. Do you have an idea?
21:01:29fmlgevaerts: c250
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21:01:48PaulJamis something wrong with the tracker? i only get a blank page when i click on the tasklist link.
21:02:52pixelmaPaulJam: I also saw that today but it worked when I entered the tracker by chosing one of the links in the left side menu of the pages
21:03:21fmlpixelma: I just stumbled upon that 'i' without quotes and had to read the sentence twice
21:04:17gevaertsfml: refurbished c240's seem to be going at 13 UKP or so. I guess a new c250 would be worth between 30 and 40 euros, but I'm not sure (since you can't find them easily it's hard to compare)
21:04:43PaulJampixelma: the links on the page work for me too.
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21:10:24Bagderif you need to ask, I don't think you're up for it
21:11:30bluebrotherpixelma: I'm not sure if I understand correctly. You want to add more PAD inside of the opt?
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21:14:02pixelmayes, in the "quit" line the X5 pad is spelled wrong (lower case and it doesn't show up) and the c200 and h10 pads are missing. I don't understand why that affects the first line at all... if you want I could paste the very short patch and/or my lamp.tex to a pastebin or so
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21:18:30LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Does the c200 have \ButtonVolUp{} and \ButtonVolDown{} options defined in its platform page in manual/platforms?
21:18:52cfrostStarting with rockbox versions about one or two months ago, bootup prints "Undefined instruction at 010001D0 (0)"
21:19:04cfrostnewer firmwares haven't fixed the problem
21:19:13cfrosts/firmwares/versions of rockbox/
21:19:20pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: yes, but why can't you look yourself?
21:19:29cfrost(I have not upgraded the rockbox bootloader since long before the problem started)
21:19:32LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Because my laptop isn't with me right now.
21:19:32cfrostany thoughts?
21:19:46linuxstbcfrost: Upgrade the bootloader...
21:19:57pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: but you have internet access and then there is ViewVC...
21:19:59LambdaCalculus37cfrost: My crystal ball is broken. What device?
21:20:10*LambdaCalculus37 smacks his forehead
21:20:14LambdaCalculus37pixelma: D'oh! :P
21:20:20cfrostLambdaCalculus37: oh wow, sorry about forgetting to mention: Sansa E200
21:20:40cfrostlinuxstb: even though the bootloader didn't change inbetween working and not?
21:21:53linuxstbcfrost: When did you first install Rockbox? The early bootloaders are no longer compatible with current builds (but that's at least a year or so ago).
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21:22:48cfrostlinuxstb: about nov or dec 1997
21:23:25linuxstbIt's worth just running rbutil or sansapatcher again and installing the current bootloader, just to confirm that's not the issue.
21:23:26LambdaCalculus37Rockbox was around in 1997? :P
21:23:49DerPapstheh no :-P
21:23:56DerPapstend of 2002
21:24:03cfrostlinuxstb: ok, will do. each try requires charing the device enough to boot without usb. and if it fails, letting it sit until it runs out of battery to reboot into the host firmware :(.
21:24:11fmlIs there a sansa c200 wps gallery in the wiki?
21:24:12cfrostlinuxstb: thanks
21:24:14*gevaerts mentions that this means a new sansapatcher, not one downloaded in 2007
21:24:46*bluebrother slaps forehead
21:24:48gevaertscfrost: you can always reset by holding the power button long enough (15..30 seconds)
21:24:50bertrikjust hold MENU for about 15 seconds to turn the e200 off, no need to run down the battery
21:25:03pixelmafml: no, since I was told that "the new rockbox-themes will come soon" ;)
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21:25:17cfrostGalois, bertrik: oo
21:25:19*gevaerts is confused now. Menu or power ?
21:25:33pixelmafml: there are a few c200 themes on there though
21:25:39bertrikmy e200 has a power symbol with menu written below it
21:25:50pixelmafml: even in its current unofficial state
21:26:11bluebrotherpixelma: interesting. I just fixed the x5 opt and the button name shows up as expected.
21:26:16*gevaerts checks his c250... Same here
21:26:19bluebrothercan you pastebin your changes?
21:26:35pixelmabluebrother: yes and the "toggle colour" line?
21:27:00cfrostlinuxstb: the current sansapatcher did not change anything
21:27:33LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Voila!
21:27:57bluebrotheryou mean the "Toggle between colors" line? It shows up as expected
21:28:11gevaertspixelma: of course. rockbox is all about music
21:28:24DerPapstVoilà i'd say :-P
21:28:38*bluebrother has disabled dead keys
21:29:51gevaertscfrost: have you checked the filesystem on the sansa ?
21:30:07*gevaerts is obsessed with corrupt filesystems
21:31:04bluebrotherpixelma: works fine here. Are you sure you're not looking at the buttons of the disktidy plugin? Almost happened to me
21:31:11*LambdaCalculus37 wonders if the c200 description he pastebinned needs anything else
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21:31:43cfrostgevaerts: just now I mounted it updated the firmware, and fsck.vfat is happy with it
21:31:46pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: I noticed that the volume up and down are different - down has a form of "sunken" triangle in it and up a "raised" one (sorry can't explain better in short). Do you think that's worth mentioning for the blind, maybe they can feel it?
21:31:58gevaertsThat's not it then...
21:32:23cfrostgevaerts: to double check, should the boot sector differ from its backup?
21:32:25LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Let me revise it to add the raised and sunken triangles.
21:32:32cfrostI would guess sansapatcher did that?
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21:33:15pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: lanyard loop that's called, always wondered about that... :)
21:34:28pixelmabluebrother: yes, I'm sure. Wonder what's going on there :\
21:34:38LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Fixed.
21:34:55gevaertscfrost: I don't think so, but I also don't think it would matter much
21:35:11cfrostgevaerts: well, if the bootsector was corrupt?
21:36:15cfrostgevaerts: sectors 71-80 differ
21:36:25bluebrotherpixelma: that's indeed strange. Will try a clean build.
21:36:52*gevaerts looks around for the irc police. Is suggesting reformatting allowed now ?
21:37:29cfrostnot without solid reason :)
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21:38:03pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: sounds good, btw *I* can't feel the sunken one (too small) but the raised. I think it should stay in there though, maybe someone who is trained to read braille can feel it. I think I'm going to commit that soon, thanks much :)
21:38:09gevaertsexactly :) I don't have more suggestions, but while I may be a c200 recovery expert, I don't know that much about the e200
21:38:19cfrostgevaerts: thanks for the help
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21:38:33LambdaCalculus37pixelma: You're welcome. :)
21:38:55cfrostgevaerts: maybe I'll copy the bootsector and try overwriting it with the backup bootsector
21:39:03LambdaCalculus37I'm listed in IrcNicks if you need my real name.
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21:40:10gevaertsThat might help. At what point does it have the error ? Maybe clearing the config also changes things
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21:40:41cfrostgevaerts: I just erased .rockbox and recreated it...
21:40:50cfrostand it works
21:40:55pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: I remember your name, just need to look up the correct spelling, don't want to mess that up :)
21:41:22gevaertsThen there was probably something wrong with the settings. You didn't backup the old .rockbox by any chance ?
21:42:02cfrostno :(
21:42:50gevaertsAnyway, I guess the most important thing is that it works now...
21:43:46cfrostif it's not a widespread problem, I guess so
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21:43:54cfrostand I didn't find anyone on the web with the problem
21:44:09gevaertsI didn't hear about it either
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21:47:52pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: hmm... in the very first sentence, wouldn't it be better to mention the buttons first because one can't feel the screen?
21:49:26LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Yeah, that sounds better.
21:49:52LambdaCalculus37So it should be "Hold the DAP with the buttons on the right and the screen on the left".
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21:53:41LambdaCalculus37Final revision:
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21:57:56pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: did you make that patch by just editing the original file with a patch editor?
21:58:45pixelmas/patch editor/text edito
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22:53:06toffe82pixelma: do we have the bmp's for a 160x128 lcd ?
22:54:32pixelmayou can chose - in colour (X5, big H10 have that), greyscale (H100s, M5, greyscale Ipods) and monochrome (well red on black as the m:robe100 uses)
22:55:23toffe82it is for the upcoming sa9200 gogear
22:56:24pixelmadoes the gogear have an RTC?
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23:08:16toffe82pixelma: I don't know
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23:12:17pixelmawhat about a radio? Just asking because if it doesn't have one of those, it would need a few extra screenshots (e.g. the main menu without the radio option because X5 and big H10 have one, or for bounce so it doesn't show the clock in the background). It wouldn't be a big deal either way since the manual build system is prepared for that and it is already used for some targets
23:12:48pixelmaor some manuals
23:13:13toffe82radio yes
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23:14:04dionoeaHi. I've got a small question about the pcm_peak_peeker function in pcm.c. Why does it increment the addr by 16? (line 112)
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23:19:10dionoeaah ok, it's only taking into account 1 sample every 4 samples?
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23:20:30rastaseanHey everyone
23:20:54rastaseanI am looking for a question to be answed from someone/anyone. is anyone out there?
23:21:17linuxstbJust ask...
23:21:29rastaseanoh fine
23:21:45rastaseani have a irive hd120 with rockbox loaded on to it
23:22:12rastaseanwhen i am in the pre-record mode, the AGC keeps going up with my mics plugged into it
23:22:36rastaseanno pre-amp here, just a pair of AT853 mics
23:22:50BigBambiwhat mode do you have it set to?
23:22:50rastaseanWhy does it go up?
23:23:05BigBambibecause the room is quiet and it is trying to increase the gain to compensate?
23:23:09rastaseanmode is anything but off
23:23:22BigBambiIf you use safety, I think it should never increase, only decrease
23:24:10rastaseanwell the gain on each channel even gets hirer
23:25:03BigBambiWouldn't you expect it to? As I understand it you give the AGC a target level and it tries to compensate to reach that at a rate denoted by the settings (except for safety mode)
23:25:22BigBambiSo if you are in a quiet room, it will increase to try and attain the set level
23:25:25*BigBambi thinks
23:25:42BigBambipetur is a recording person who uses AGC safety regularly IIRC
23:26:17*petur scrolls up to read
23:26:42BigBambipetur: I'm not too familiar with AGC so wanted to check
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23:27:09rastaseanSo if I am in a quiet room with the gain for each channel set to match, say 30 dB, it shouldn't even raise, right?
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23:27:30peturagc-safety will only decrease gain, the other modes to both increase and decrease with different time constants
23:27:49peturyou can set the max gain AGC goes to
23:28:06peturselect the AGC line and use left/right to set dB
23:29:32rastaseani'll see if that does anything
23:30:55peturother than that, it *is* AGC, so it is supposed to bump up the gain when levels are low (except in safety mode)
23:31:06BigBambiYes, thought so
23:31:58rastaseanI don't know. I had BOTH channels set to 30 db and when i started agc was at vocie (fast) was at 18, I think. now agc 8.5 db and the channels are both about 10 db higher
23:32:39rastaseanevery time the channels get more gain, the AGC gets lower
23:32:42Bagderlisting recent activities on recent new targets made a rather big list
23:33:08peturthe value next to agc is the amount of 'room' it has to increase. that is the value you can modify to limit how high your gain goes
23:34:16rastaseanand how can you modify that?
23:34:31rastaseanThanks for all these answered questions, btw
23:35:04peturmove the selector bar to that line (up/down) and then press left/right to change
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23:38:24rastaseanno, i mean how do you modify the agc limit?>
23:38:38rastaseanI found how how you can for the max limit
23:39:10rastaseansuch as, for safety its a 3 db right now. I can i make that 6 or 12 or more?
23:45:11pixelmabluebrother: tried that patch in a clean checkout and it works correctly now it seems (tested with a c200 manual)... weird
23:46:11pixelmaI already compiled with a "make clean" before the "make manual" in the other tree
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23:50:01peturrastasean: if you want to change that you need to change the code and build your own rockbox version ;)
23:51:14rastaseanhaha. no way, petur. really? I think I'll figure this out eventually
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23:52:36fmlDo sansa e200 and c200 use the same cable for PC connection?
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