| 00:00:13 | fml | Ah, ok. And what does 'automatic' mean? Automatically choose between MTP and MSC? |
| 00:00:28 | BigBambi | yes, which on windows = mtp |
| 00:00:38 | bluebrother | Bagder: is the daily build zip without date in the filename always the current one? |
| 00:00:49 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:01:07 | bluebrother | there seem to be some daily builds missing for 2008-05-09 |
| 00:02:18 | bluebrother | while build-info tells the most recent is 20080509 that file isn't present. But I think it'd be better to always use the current one anyway. |
| 00:04:51 | Bagder | ls -l output/*/rockbox-*080509.zip | wc -l |
| 00:04:51 | Bagder | 32 |
| 00:05:01 | bluebrother | something is really strange here ... seems I completely broke the http class :( |
| 00:05:04 | Bagder | the same amount as yesterday and the day before |
| 00:05:50 | bluebrother | ah −− could it be possible that I'm sometimes hitting a mirror that is missing the file? |
| 00:06:05 | Bagder | yes that is certainly a possibility |
| 00:06:34 | bluebrother | that explains some things ... if I use haxx instead of download I get that file. |
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| 00:07:37 | Bagder | you know which mirror? |
| 00:08:41 | bluebrother | no −− is there a way to tell from the error page? |
| 00:08:56 | Bagder | I think so, but I'm not sure |
| 00:09:10 | Bagder | they are videolan, positive and tbrntech |
| 00:10:27 | fml | Note to rbutil authors: The OK button in the 'About' dialog is not centered (shifted to the right) |
| 00:10:48 | bluebrother | it's running Apache/2.2.6 |
| 00:10:59 | bluebrother | I think videolan was lighttp |
| 00:11:09 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:11:36 | Bagder | tbrntech it is |
| 00:12:17 | bluebrother | just figured that too. Too slow ... :o |
| 00:13:24 | * | pixelma hates making typos in commit messages :\ |
| 00:13:35 | bluebrother | fml: what platform are you on? Just checked it on my linux box, seems to be nicely centered. |
| 00:14:03 | * | amiconn hates those ever-lagging mirrors |
| 00:14:25 | amiconn | Is there no way to reliably trigger an update of the mirrors? |
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| 00:15:27 | fml | bluebrother: WinXP |
| 00:15:33 | Bagder | there are millions of ways, but I want simple |
| 00:15:51 | preglow | bluebrother: do you use a dialogbuttonbox for that? |
| 00:16:11 | preglow | placement will change from platform to platform according to conventions, if so |
| 00:17:45 | bluebrother | preglow: no −− it's a simply pushbutton centered using two spacers |
| 00:18:05 | bluebrother | but the size hint of those spacers differs. Could be the reason |
| 00:18:12 | preglow | almost certainly |
| 00:18:20 | preglow | use a dialogbuttonbox instead and forget about it :> |
| 00:18:35 | fml | bluebrother: is there a FM presets package in rbutil? |
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| 00:19:00 | * | preglow doesn't think we should stuff anything imaginable into rbutil |
| 00:19:07 | preglow | s/anything/everything/ |
| 00:20:59 | bluebrother | fml: no. I thought about it though. But it would require us having a rockbox-themes like backend first. |
| 00:21:23 | bluebrother | and as I still have enough stuff on my todo this has to wait. |
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| 00:24:53 | petur | pixelma: those were copied from another simple plugin so those faults are probably elsewhere too |
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| 00:25:59 | fml | Is it just on me or is the screen of c200 really worse than on e200? |
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| 00:26:11 | pixelma | petur: which one of them? Any idea where you took it from? |
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| 00:26:23 | petur | fire I think |
| 00:26:45 | pixelma | fml: the screen is a different type of lcd (technically) and it's not the nicest |
| 00:26:54 | amiconn | The c200 has the worst screen of all colour rockbox targets. It's DSTN (i.e. passive matrix), nit TFT like the others |
| 00:27:02 | amiconn | s/nit/not/ |
| 00:27:41 | pixelma | petur: ok, thanks for the pointer will have a look |
| 00:29:38 | pixelma | looks like it was dice.tex |
| 00:29:56 | petur | ah, could be... sorry |
| 00:30:02 | * | petur kicks brain |
| 00:30:31 | petur | my tex knowledge is mostly copy paste from other places |
| 00:31:39 | fml | Wasn't database refresh also "disabled" for c200 (like it was for e200)? |
| 00:32:25 | pixelma | fml: it couldn't, because the c200's firmware works differently there |
| 00:33:35 | fml | pixelma: ah, so it's normal that the database is refreshed every time I use USB? |
| 00:34:17 | pixelma | the e200s shut off after disconnecting USB and refresh on next start of the OF if a certain bit is set. The c200's firmware immediately starts refreshing the database after unplugging from USB so Rockbox doesn't have a chance to interrupt that |
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| 00:36:00 | pixelma | fml: yes, but you can at least make it shorter if you don't care about not being able to find that music in the OF (just write protect the OF'S "system" folder, the OF will try to refresh but soon gives up) or use a Rockbox USB build |
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| 00:41:50 | fml | pixelma: thanks for the tipp! Now I get the message "Not enough space..." Is it ok? And how can I get rid of the tmp dir? |
| 00:43:50 | pixelma | yes, that message is normal for the system folder trick. IIRC you could delete every OF file on disk but it will recreate the folders at next USB connect (those will be empty I think, didn't try myself yet) |
| 00:44:33 | fml | I tried to make it hidden but that didn't help |
| 00:45:00 | fml | He-he, I didn't expect that c200 also has radio! |
| 00:45:18 | pixelma | seems all have |
| 00:46:12 | fml | I mean, some e200 have and the others do not |
| 00:48:06 | fml | Just installed the MySimple WPS from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIriverH100 on Sansa c250 and it looks very nice (with nimbus12)! |
| 00:49:18 | * | pixelma sighs at pluginlib actions once more, just wanted to look up button definitions to mention them in the manual and now have to look for them in 3 places... |
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| 00:49:37 | fml | Next song info isn't shown but the progress bar is exactly at the bottom. |
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| 00:51:44 | pixelma | I even think that the built-in text only WPS doesn't look that bad with a nice font (e.g. nimbus 10) |
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| 00:53:57 | fml | I use that WPS without any changes on three different daps and it looks nice every where. I can even vary fonts (not on c200) and it still fits! |
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| 01:01:57 | * | DerPapst doesn't like the nimbus set at all :-P |
| 01:02:25 | fml | What do you like then? |
| 01:03:32 | DerPapst | thinner sans serif fonts |
| 01:03:39 | DerPapst | such as the helvetica ones |
| 01:03:56 | DerPapst | or ter-u* |
| 01:04:23 | DerPapst | nimbus is too bold for my taste :-) |
| 01:04:56 | amiconn | Imho the nimbus fonts are the only nicely readable ones for >= 10 px |
| 01:05:12 | pixelma | euh, those skinny helv fonts that are used as default (and lacking quite a lot of characters except in the "helv12") |
| 01:06:08 | pixelma | s/in// |
| 01:06:19 | DerPapst | well missing chars is another story... |
| 01:06:58 | DerPapst | but (luckily) tasts are different :-) |
| 01:10:24 | fml | pixelma: I've managed to hide the tmp folder. I made it system. |
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| 01:40:19 | steelman | hello everyone |
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| 01:56:28 | steelman | does anyone know if rockbox could support ordinary Zen (not vision, not v plus, not anything) http://www.euro.com.pl/foto/7964945/7964945_2.jpg |
| 01:56:57 | steelman | i mean if it is feasible to port rb to this device? |
| 01:57:01 | DerPapst | could soupport yes. it someone ports rockbox to it |
| 01:58:07 | DerPapst | if it isn't heavily protected with some obscure decryption stuff... maybe. |
| 01:59:34 | DerPapst | have you seen http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort? |
| 01:59:41 | steelman | not yet |
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| 02:01:32 | steelman | ok I'll read some more in the morning, thanks a lot for now bye. |
| 02:02:00 | DerPapst | bye |
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| 02:21:17 | caramel | alo |
| 02:23:57 | caramel | hello? |
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| 02:28:11 | * | DerPapst wonders how long caramel is going to hold said line... |
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| 03:57:08 | raulh | ok, i've got a question. |
| 03:57:21 | raulh | does rockbox lock files? (hides) them? |
| 03:57:33 | raulh | becuase my ipods root folder has a 56456+ folder with my music |
| 03:57:45 | raulh | but forsome reason there invisible when i open the folders |
| 03:57:47 | raulh | is it rockbox |
| 03:57:51 | raulh | or my ipods firmware |
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| 04:00:10 | raulh | is anyone there : |
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| 04:02:40 | advcomp2019 | raulh, yes there is people here |
| 04:04:02 | raulh | k can someone help me then? |
| 04:04:14 | raulh | does rock box lock up music files |
| 04:04:21 | raulh | or is it apples firmware |
| 04:05:41 | advcomp2019 | since i do not have an ipod, i do not know, but i will think no |
| 04:05:55 | raulh | my files in a folde rin the root drive |
| 04:05:59 | raulh | i cant see them |
| 04:06:01 | raulh | they're invisible |
| 04:06:03 | advcomp2019 | what kind of files are they? |
| 04:06:06 | raulh | mp3 |
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| 04:09:11 | raulh | thnks for your help..? |
| 04:09:15 | advcomp2019 | you use the "Files" or "Database"? |
| 04:09:21 | raulh | huh |
| 04:09:55 | raulh | they're in a folder inside root of ipods drive |
| 04:10:05 | raulh | and i can see all folders for each album ecy |
| 04:10:10 | raulh | but when i open thoe |
| 04:10:12 | raulh | thoe |
| 04:10:20 | raulh | only 1 or 2 songs per folder show up |
| 04:10:21 | raulh | or less |
| 04:10:53 | raulh | and i am on linux, and with windows they are also hidden |
| 04:11:14 | raulh | since i dont have WGA i cant install windows media player witch for some reason finds all the correct files |
| 04:11:54 | advcomp2019 | you do not need windows media player to see the files |
| 04:12:06 | raulh | actually i do |
| 04:12:14 | raulh | its the only way it reads the hidden files inside the ipod |
| 04:12:28 | raulh | exploring the files they're hidden |
| 04:12:36 | raulh | i cant think of any other way |
| 04:12:49 | raulh | at the momment im uninstrlaling rockbox to c if thats it if not |
| 04:13:02 | raulh | im going to slaughter ipod's firmware o.o; |
| 04:13:18 | advcomp2019 | you know that you can show all files in rockbox? |
| 04:13:49 | raulh | like i said |
| 04:13:53 | raulh | my screen is broken |
| 04:14:00 | raulh | and its dead stuck on hold |
| 04:14:14 | raulh | it froze when i was jogging out desert |
| 04:14:18 | raulh | and hiking up a mountain |
| 04:14:25 | raulh | so i like try'd to unblock it |
| 04:14:30 | raulh | went horribly wrong :o |
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| 04:15:18 | raulh | if you don't know the problem thanks for trying to help. |
| 04:16:06 | advcomp2019 | can you stop using the enter key too much.. anyway someone else might be able to help you if you stay in here more |
| 04:16:52 | raulh | its ok ill slaughter the ipods firmware 0.o; |
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| 04:25:06 | raulh | k killing firmware fails.. |
| 04:25:12 | raulh | well thanks for trying :) |
| 04:25:19 | raulh | best be on my way |
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| 05:02:33 | Styles | Ok, I've definitely followed the manuals and looked at the FAQs |
| 05:03:02 | Styles | when I do the menu/select thing to supposedly start rockbox on my iPod 30gb video (5.5g) it only loads the default firmware |
| 05:03:05 | Styles | any advice? |
| 05:04:20 | Styles | anyone? please? |
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| 05:32:02 | yeal` | will rockbox ipod work on my car ipod connector? |
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| 05:40:38 | n2aag | hey.. anyone have current info on the usability of ogg on a 3g ipod? (a friend of mine has an old one he wants to send me, but I don't want him to waste the effort if it isn't going to play my music) |
| 05:40:50 | n2aag | err.. vorbis rather, to be precise |
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| 06:09:04 | yeal` | is rockbox better than ipod os? |
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| 06:45:09 | HiddenShadow | I just got a usb charger for my ipod on ebay, i used a volt meter on the port (on the adaptor) and it read 8 volts...would that damage my ipod? I thought usb ports were supposed to be 5volts. |
| 06:45:31 | HiddenShadow | or does the ipod have a volt limiter or something? |
| 06:52:29 | yeal` | the usb charget is not made for ipod? |
| 06:52:54 | yeal` | what company is it |
| 06:53:56 | yeal` | http://forums.ilounge.com/showthread.php?t=107503 |
| 06:54:07 | yeal` | it should be 5 volts |
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| 07:03:16 | HiddenShadow | well, it says it works with ipod, but not specifically for it |
| 07:04:35 | HiddenShadow | http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130219115647 |
| 07:04:46 | HiddenShadow | yes, its cheapo brand >.> |
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| 07:10:02 | HiddenShadow | its wierd though, when i put the volt meter in the green led was on (theres a green and red one) and when i put my ipod in the red and the green were on at the same time. (when nothing plugged in, only red is on) |
| 07:10:21 | HiddenShadow | maybe its doing something else to the voltage :/ |
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| 07:39:03 | XbooX | hello |
| 07:41:39 | XbooX | i would like to try the USB support for rockbox with my 5.5G ipod. i came across http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb and it looks like its possible to enable it. but this looks like something that is done before compiling rockbox. if anyone has more info about this please let me know. |
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| 07:50:52 | hihi | can someone help me plz |
| 07:51:12 | hihi | anyone? |
| 07:51:45 | advcomp2019 | hihi, just ask |
| 07:52:15 | hihi | ok im using rockbox util for a 5.5g 80g ipod |
| 07:52:19 | hihi | and its says |
| 07:52:23 | hihi | cant find ipod |
| 07:52:26 | hihi | for the bootloader |
| 07:52:29 | hihi | any help? |
| 07:52:40 | hihi | my ipod is plugged in and in disk mode |
| 07:53:36 | advcomp2019 | can you please do not use the enter that much.. plus are you trying to install rockbox to it then? |
| 07:54:07 | hihi | yes |
| 07:54:53 | advcomp2019 | are you it is a 5.5g and not a 6g |
| 07:55:03 | XbooX | advcomp2019: just wondering if you got my message about the USB support. |
| 07:55:41 | advcomp2019 | XbooX, yea but you have to build your own build with usb enabled |
| 07:55:50 | hihi | im not too sure. i bought the ipod early this year |
| 07:56:16 | XbooX | advcomp2019: thats not good. lol |
| 07:56:29 | hihi | it doesnt have rounded edges. |
| 07:56:39 | hihi | so im pretty sure its a 5.5g |
| 07:56:42 | XbooX | hihi: is the face all flat or is it curved around the edge? |
| 07:56:46 | hihi | flat |
| 07:56:56 | hihi | 5.5g right? |
| 07:57:19 | XbooX | and it looks like plastic that is panted on the under side? |
| 07:57:43 | hihi | yeah. the problem im having is that it says "no ipods found: |
| 07:57:45 | XbooX | *painted |
| 07:58:11 | homielowe | hihi: Are you logged in as an administrator? |
| 07:58:14 | XbooX | what are you trying to use to get the loader on it? |
| 07:58:52 | advcomp2019 | hihi, since i do not know have ipod, i am not sure myself |
| 07:58:53 | hihi | yes. im trying to install rockbox |
| 07:59:13 | hihi | its a 5.5g 80gig ipod. |
| 07:59:26 | Llorean | hihi: If you bought it this year, it's probably a "Classic" |
| 07:59:31 | hihi | yes |
| 07:59:36 | hihi | it is a classic |
| 07:59:38 | Llorean | "Classic" is not 5.5G |
| 07:59:43 | hihi | oh... |
| 07:59:46 | Llorean | Classic is 6G, not supported |
| 07:59:56 | hihi | fucking gay. |
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| 08:00:12 | hihi | thanks anyways guys |
| 08:00:22 | advcomp2019 | XbooX, there is info somewhere on how to enable usb somewhere.. i do not remember the wiki page |
| 08:00:44 | XbooX | Llorean: do you know how long it takes to make a build for ipod? |
| 08:01:02 | Llorean | Depends on your computer |
| 08:01:07 | Llorean | 1.5-8 minutes |
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| 08:01:42 | XbooX | Llorean: do you know where to find a build with USB enabled for a 5.5G? |
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| 08:01:49 | Llorean | No. |
| 08:02:07 | XbooX | :/ |
| 08:02:30 | advcomp2019 | ok it is on that page you sent earlier on how to enable it |
| 08:03:21 | hihi | my ipod looks like th U2 edition ipod. |
| 08:03:22 | XbooX | advcomp2019: where is the "makefile" |
| 08:04:02 | advcomp2019 | hihi, have you looked at apples serial numbers to find out |
| 08:04:37 | XbooX | hihi: do you have album art on the right side when your listening to music and browsing the menu's? |
| 08:05:36 | XbooX | or does it say what your playing on that side (if your song has no art)? |
| 08:05:42 | hihi | i dont know how to get it out of disk mode >.< |
| 08:06:22 | XbooX | disconnect it from your computer, hold menu and select untill you see the apple logo on the display |
| 08:06:41 | XbooX | make sure hold is disabled |
| 08:07:44 | hihi | oh okay thx |
| 08:08:16 | hihi | at the front screen the album art is at the right. |
| 08:08:39 | XbooX | have you used ipodwizard on it? |
| 08:08:45 | hihi | no? |
| 08:08:52 | XbooX | ok then you have a 6G |
| 08:08:53 | hihi | i dont know what that is... |
| 08:09:08 | hihi | damnit "-_- |
| 08:09:21 | advcomp2019 | XbooX, the makefile is in the source code |
| 08:09:26 | XbooX | wait |
| 08:09:58 | XbooX | i waited what, over a year for my 5.5G to work. its worth the wait and im sure it will one day work. |
| 08:10:24 | hihi | i hope so. |
| 08:10:32 | hihi | thx for the help xD |
| 08:10:36 | XbooX | would anyone be ever so kind to make a build for me please |
| 08:10:38 | XbooX | np |
| 08:11:21 | XbooX | dont i need linux if i want to make a build? |
| 08:11:25 | advcomp2019 | hihi, look here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353 |
| 08:12:49 | advcomp2019 | XbooX, you can read this, if you have not: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
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| 08:13:55 | hihi | its 6g |
| 08:13:58 | XbooX | yeah lol sept 2006 the 5.5G came out. and when did rockbox and ipod linux start to work on the 80gb..... the second half of last year? |
| 08:13:59 | hihi | bye all >.< |
| 08:14:04 | XbooX | cya |
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| 08:21:07 | Llorean | XbooX: Getting the 80gb 5.5G working was a LOT easier than getting the new iPods working will be. Especially since nobody's really interested in working on 'em |
| 08:24:55 | XbooX | Llorean: I know. |
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| 08:27:46 | joecool | what is the maximum hardware sampling rate of the ipod? |
| 08:27:58 | joecool | just 44.1khz/16bit? |
| 08:28:06 | joecool | or is it higher |
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| 09:04:53 | n1s | hmm, i wonder why flyspray returns an empty page when searching for "all task types" |
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| 09:13:38 | joecool | hrm.. rockbox seems to have issues keeping up with flac 96khz/24bit on 5.5g ipod 80gb |
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| 09:14:06 | joecool | i shouldn't have too much fragmentation... |
| 09:14:48 | n1s | joecool: it will use quite a bit of cpu to downsample while needing to buffer much more often... |
| 09:21:34 | joecool | the disk read code is still not very optimized yet on 80gb, no? |
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| 09:25:07 | n1s | joecool: i believe it is reasonably fast but the cpu gets quite a bit more work to do when playing 96kHz/24bit compared to 44.1/16 |
| 09:26:06 | n1s | most is probably downsampling but the decode will take more time too, if you have any dsp enabled, disabling that might help |
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| 09:41:52 | amiconn | joecool: The disk read code is as fine on G5.5/80 as on any other portalplayer based target. |
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| 09:42:38 | amiconn | Only *writing* very small blocks suffers on them, but that doesn't matter for playback |
| 09:42:47 | caramel | can anyone help me with patches? |
| 09:43:01 | caramel | ive spent HOURS trying to figure this out and nothing i do works |
| 09:43:35 | n1s | caramel: do you have a working build environment? |
| 09:43:38 | caramel | i downloaded a custom unsupported too, and it obviously didnt have any patches because none of the patches woked |
| 09:44:03 | caramel | no i cant get cygwin to behave... is there an alternative? |
| 09:44:26 | n1s | caramel: yes, the vmware image, it's usually quite simple to get it going |
| 09:45:20 | caramel | ok |
| 09:46:24 | caramel | cygwin says its missing this: arm-elf-gcc |
| 09:46:29 | * | amiconn suddenly realised what might cause the remaining runtime penalty of rockbox on portalplayer |
| 09:46:59 | n1s | caramel: did you follow the instructions and installed the packages from the rockbox mirror? |
| 09:47:00 | amiconn | Iirc the product brief states that the PP can do ATA DMA, but we don't do that ('cause we don't know how) |
| 09:47:03 | n1s | amiconn: oooh |
| 09:47:43 | amiconn | So buffering is slower in rockbox, and hence the disk is spinning for longer periods |
| 09:47:49 | caramel | i dunno it never said to do something like that in the tut im following |
| 09:48:27 | * | joecool hands amiconn a cookie |
| 09:48:28 | joecool | you won a cookie! |
| 09:48:48 | n1s | caramel: see step 3 http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
| 09:49:36 | joecool | .... i'm tired |
| 09:50:08 | amiconn | In fact it's probably ATA controller setup in general. |
| 09:50:27 | joecool | ooo, this isn't good... errors |
| 09:51:00 | joecool | 2 weird artifacts... but who knows, it could just be reznor's doing... |
| 09:51:03 | amiconn | But DMA would be best, as it would reduce the CPU load for disk access |
| 09:51:22 | joecool | oh no, this is weird |
| 09:51:24 | joecool | and annoying |
| 09:51:29 | joecool | and continuing |
| 09:51:45 | n1s | amiconn: that should especially help when the cpu is under a heavy load already, right? |
| 09:51:54 | caramel | how outdated are these tutorials? none of the things in the tutorial match up with what actually happens |
| 09:52:45 | joecool | i flac'ed up the 96khz/24bit copy of the slip... but it occurred to me that I'm an idiot for not just getting the 44.1khz flac version provided |
| 09:52:55 | joecool | as rockbox is just gonna downsample anyway |
| 09:53:15 | joecool | only have one card in the house that can do 96khz/24bit |
| 09:53:33 | joecool | *sigh* this is what happens when you don't sleep |
| 09:53:38 | n1s | caramel: it is a wiki, you can register and fix it... |
| 09:53:46 | caramel | *sigh* |
| 09:54:16 | n1s | or just use the vmware thingy |
| 09:54:27 | caramel | bah too much to download |
| 09:59:30 | caramel | BAH HUMDUG |
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| 10:00:34 | amiconn | n1s: yes |
| 10:00:53 | n1s | well, that's just great :) |
| 10:02:37 | amiconn | Yup - if someone figures out how to do it, that is. |
| 10:03:12 | n1s | amiconn: didn't MrH put some info about it in one of his documents? |
| 10:04:45 | n1s | there's even a patch with 'experimental' dma support for the sansa sd slot |
| 10:04:58 | amiconn | That's something very different |
| 10:05:18 | joecool | patching it may trigger exploding head syndrome |
| 10:05:44 | * | amiconn doesn't even understand how ATA DMA is supposed to work in general, unfortunately |
| 10:10:05 | amiconn | I do understand how a general purpose DMA engine as part of the SoC works. I also understand how ATA PIO modes work. |
| 10:11:37 | amiconn | However, I don't understand how ATA DMA allows the *disk* to dma to/from the host's memory, *through* the ATA controller |
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| 10:17:46 | * | linuxstb starts analysing the Clip's firmware, and it seems to load code to where external SDRAM should be mapped |
| 10:19:22 | caramel | ok so i compiled the thing and it works now |
| 10:19:25 | caramel | but i cant use make |
| 10:19:35 | caramel | in cgywin i do make and it says command not found |
| 10:19:40 | caramel | *cygwin |
| 10:20:15 | linuxstb | Install the "gnu make" package? |
| 10:20:23 | caramel | god damn it. |
| 10:21:41 | caramel | under what would i probably find make? devel? or x11? |
| 10:21:43 | BigBambi | how did you compile without make? |
| 10:21:48 | caramel | idk |
| 10:21:50 | caramel | i just did |
| 10:21:54 | caramel | ../tools/compile |
| 10:21:56 | caramel | and it did it |
| 10:22:16 | * | linuxstb wonders what caramel is compiling |
| 10:22:20 | BigBambi | surely ../tools/configure |
| 10:22:29 | BigBambi | which sets up the make file |
| 10:22:37 | BigBambi | then make actually compiles it |
| 10:22:40 | joecool | why do i have the feeling PATH is off.. |
| 10:23:05 | linuxstb | caramel: What gets displayed if you type "echo $PATH" in cygwin? |
| 10:23:19 | joecool | just make sure the makefile has the right compiler in it... half the time they're wrong when cross-compiling for the ipod |
| 10:23:29 | joecool | this speaks from my old experiances with ipodlinux.... |
| 10:23:37 | linuxstb | joecool: Huh? The Rockbox build system sets that up correctly. |
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| 10:24:11 | joecool | linuxstb: IPODLINUX... you know before rockbox ran on ipod... the land where nothing is automated |
| 10:24:21 | BigBambi | joecool: that is what rockboxdev.sh is for - it builds them all for you, with all necessary patches |
| 10:24:29 | BigBambi | joecool: Yes and this is #ROCKBOX |
| 10:24:33 | linuxstb | joecool: #rockbox - where we talk about Rockbox.... |
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| 10:24:57 | joecool | is he using rockboxdev.sh, sure doesn't seem like it's working for him |
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| 10:25:21 | BigBambi | the lack of make in cygwin has what to do with cross compilers? |
| 10:25:42 | * | linuxstb still waits for caramel to show us the output of "echo $PATH" |
| 10:25:54 | BigBambi | configure doesn't work without the necessary compiler for the chosen build as far as I remember |
| 10:26:04 | joecool | ... nevermind, i'm cramming for an exam and my head is fucked, i could just be reading things very wrong |
| 10:26:08 | joecool | disregard past comments... |
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| 10:29:48 | JdGordon | so are there any objections to the new disktidy UI other than it being a viewer? |
| 10:33:17 | caramel | linuxstb: /opt/sh/bin:/opt/m68k/bin:/opt/arm/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/cygdrive/c/PHP:/cygdrive/c/Program Files/QuickTime/QTSystem/:/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Nmap |
| 10:34:24 | caramel | thats the thing for echo $PATH |
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| 10:37:14 | caramel | sooo yeah |
| 10:37:46 | linuxstb | JdGordon: It just seems overly complex to me in general. I would be happy if it simply deleted everything for all OSes and didn't have any options/config file. |
| 10:38:50 | linuxstb | caramel: That PATH looks file. So if typing "make" gives you a "command not found" error, then you'll need to find the Cygwin package that installs it. The Rockbox wiki should list all packages you need to install. |
| 10:39:12 | JdGordon | linuxstb: well, forwhatever reason, some people might not want to remove all the files... |
| 10:39:29 | linuxstb | Has anyone said that? |
| 10:39:36 | caramel | AUUUGH I DID THAT |
| 10:40:03 | caramel | AUUUGH |
| 10:40:06 | BigBambi | caramel: you have clearly missed a package |
| 10:40:30 | caramel | dammit |
| 10:40:35 | BigBambi | The cygwin guide on the wiki lists all the packages you need to select etc. to get it to work |
| 10:40:53 | BigBambi | although personally I preferred the VMWare image |
| 10:41:27 | linuxstb | amiconn: For fdisk/formatting functionality on the AJBRv1 (to support large disks), I'm assuming that would need to be in the core, rather than as plugins? |
| 10:41:53 | amiconn | It can be a plugin |
| 10:42:50 | amiconn | The first partition would need to be created from the PC anyway, 'cause otherwise you couldn't install rockbox |
| 10:43:17 | amiconn | The plugin would have to perform the following tasks: |
| 10:44:10 | amiconn | (1) Check the partition table, whether the existing FAT32 partition is within the 128GiB range. Print error message and exit if not. |
| 10:44:39 | amiconn | (2) Create a second primary partition of type "hidden FAT32" |
| 10:44:50 | amiconn | (3) Format the second partition |
| 10:45:10 | caramel | now im getting subversion errors |
| 10:45:24 | caramel | gcc command not found |
| 10:45:28 | caramel | DAMMIT |
| 10:45:39 | BigBambi | It sounds like you missed lots of packages |
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| 10:46:28 | amiconn | (4) trigger mounting of the second partition (or simply print a hint to reboot) |
| 10:46:34 | scorche | caramel: did you install cygwin according to our instructions? |
| 10:46:50 | BigBambi | s |
| 10:46:52 | BigBambi | caramel: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
| 10:47:08 | BigBambi | caramel: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinInstallWithScreenShots |
| 10:47:16 | GodEater | BigBambi: charging via DC adaptor *appears* to be working on th beast at the moment |
| 10:47:24 | BigBambi | GodEater: good to know |
| 10:47:46 | GodEater | I made the mistake of trying to copy all my music onto it last night without plugging it in to the mains |
| 10:47:53 | GodEater | it powered off about halfway through ) |
| 10:48:32 | BigBambi | did it power back on ok? |
| 10:49:01 | GodEater | no - I had to go find the DC adaptor |
| 10:49:06 | GodEater | there was no juice left at all |
| 10:49:14 | BigBambi | I meant after plugging in :) |
| 10:49:17 | GodEater | oh yes |
| 10:49:19 | GodEater | just fine |
| 10:49:22 | BigBambi | cool |
| 10:50:14 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: found a nice cheap mr500 if you wanna help out the port? :D |
| 10:50:54 | JdGordon | actually... wtf? i tihnk it may be a 100! guy says touchscreen, but 5gb and red control?! |
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| 10:52:43 | caramel | yes i installed with the instructions |
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| 10:57:03 | scorche | caramel: it sure doesnt look like it |
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| 10:58:06 | amiconn | linuxstb: Btw, it's not only the AJBRv1, but all the HDD based SH1 archoses (i.e. also the Player, FM recorder, and Recorder v2) |
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| 11:00:32 | linuxstb | amiconn: Most (maybe all) of the code needed for such a plugin is in ipodpatcher now... |
| 11:01:28 | amiconn | oh? |
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| 11:03:30 | linuxstb | But it hasn't been sufficiently tested, which is why it isn't documented - it's intended to for conversion of ipods to FAT32. |
| 11:04:21 | linuxstb | And as I don't know anything about FAT, it would be useful if someone who did could review the code... (plus fix it for 2048-sector ipods...) |
| 11:04:50 | amiconn | Ah, yes, there was that idea. Didn't know that the code was already in place... |
| 11:05:01 | amiconn | The fat specs are in the wiki... |
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| 11:06:02 | amiconn | Well, if the code is already there, I think that feature should be completed, otherwise that code will never see enough testing... |
| 11:06:19 | linuxstb | I think it is completed, just not advertised... |
| 11:06:57 | * | linuxstb goes to check the current state |
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| 11:07:27 | linuxstb | Yes, it's implemented - the "−−convert" option |
| 11:07:31 | amiconn | What happens if I plug a HFS formatted ipod and tell ipodpatcher to install the rb bootloader? |
| 11:08:04 | joecool | it will tell you that mac formatted ipods aren't supported |
| 11:08:08 | joecool | or some crap like that |
| 11:08:36 | linuxstb | Yes, it will warn you that Rockbox won't work on a MacPod, but let you proceed anyway (for IPL users using ipodpatcher) |
| 11:09:03 | amiconn | If the conversion code is in place, I'd expect ipodpatcher to ask whether it should convert to fat32 |
| 11:09:18 | Nico_P | linuxstb: the GigabeatSInstallation page is execellent :) |
| 11:09:29 | linuxstb | Yes, that's the intention - once the −−convert option has been tested. |
| 11:09:31 | amiconn | (of course with a big fat WARNING - CONVERSION WILL DELETE ALL DATA CURRENTLY ON THE IPOD) |
| 11:10:04 | joecool | you should put something better on to freak people out |
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| 11:10:19 | joecool | WARNING - CONVERSION WILL CAUSE YOUR FACE TO FRIGGIN MELT |
| 11:10:25 | joecool | something around those lines |
| 11:10:28 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Thanks ;) |
| 11:10:35 | * | amiconn wouldn't want to freak people out |
| 11:10:41 | scorche | joecool: can you please start being constructive? |
| 11:11:13 | amiconn | I have no idea how HFS works internally, but perhaps it would be possible to actually *convert* a HFS partition to FAT32 |
| 11:11:28 | joecool | 50% constructive... read previous comment, i'll get it up to about 90% for you :P |
| 11:11:40 | amiconn | There are partitioning tools which are able to do this for VFAT <-> NTFS |
| 11:12:31 | joecool | amiconn: not possible, researched doing it... it *could* work if you have a ton of free space, just by moving data around the drive |
| 11:12:47 | joecool | but you'd need over half free |
| 11:13:37 | amiconn | huh? |
| 11:14:14 | amiconn | I'd think that the majority of data blocks could stay where they are |
| 11:14:24 | joecool | i've written scripts to do that on desktop... normally though nowadays i just make images of operating system partitions to quickly manage my systems |
| 11:14:56 | amiconn | Scripts won't do - you'd need to manipulate the raw partition contents of course |
| 11:15:07 | joecool | amiconn: FAT is pretty easy to work with, just blocks with an allocation table, HFS isn't as simple |
| 11:15:29 | joecool | amiconn: oh my solutions before were to move the data and manipulate the sizes of paritions |
| 11:15:49 | joecool | shrink down, create new, copy, expand |
| 11:15:52 | BigBambi | joecool: amiconn was talking about conversion |
| 11:16:01 | BigBambi | directly |
| 11:16:08 | scorche | hecne why he said “*convert*” |
| 11:16:11 | scorche | hence |
| 11:16:13 | amiconn | Yes, in-place conversion |
| 11:16:49 | joecool | BigBambi: that is conversion in a sense, still bitwise... not many filesystem converters out there because different filesystems have VERY different structures |
| 11:17:02 | BigBambi | yes, i'm aware of that |
| 11:17:06 | amiconn | I do know that this often needs a little extra space (e.g. when converting to a FAT variant with large clusters, you have to redistribute the file slacks), but the majority of data stays in-place |
| 11:17:09 | joecool | no dataloss in mine and to a user it looks just like conversion |
| 11:17:20 | BigBambi | However, amicon gave the example of VFAT - NTFS directly |
| 11:18:05 | BigBambi | joecool: yes, but either requires over half free, or takes for ever |
| 11:18:09 | BigBambi | which is not practical |
| 11:18:20 | amiconn | joecool: Your method has 2 major drawbacks: (1) it only works if the partition is less than half full. (2) Since it involves copying *all* data, it's dead slow |
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| 11:19:03 | joecool | amiconn: well.. it could be done with drive almost full, but that's even slower |
| 11:19:09 | BigBambi | stupidly slow |
| 11:19:14 | scorche | ...and still not practical |
| 11:19:16 | BigBambi | so slow as to be a no go |
| 11:19:32 | joecool | ok, ok... lets look at it another possible way |
| 11:19:47 | BigBambi | ...which is what amiconn was doing in the first place... |
| 11:19:49 | amiconn | Even rather old versions of partition magic were able to convert between FAT16, FAT32 and NTFS in all combinations |
| 11:20:15 | joecool | to go from HFS to FAT you'd just need to generate the allocation table then destroy the HFS data (journaling, superblock... etc) |
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| 11:21:24 | amiconn | joecool: You might also need to redistribute the file slack space, as I already mentioned. This might involve moving some file data |
| 11:21:29 | joecool | to go from FAT to HFS, you'd need to generate much more... and it's not documented as well |
| 11:23:36 | joecool | its just messy, messy... nobody here is going to do it... we shouldn't even be talking about it... i'll go get breakfast |
| 11:23:47 | scorche | ... |
| 11:24:15 | caramel | ok its all compiled. when and how do i add plugins? |
| 11:24:33 | scorche | caramel: plugins are compiled with the build |
| 11:24:33 | caramel | sorry, i mean patches? |
| 11:24:42 | scorche | you add patches before you cimpile |
| 11:24:47 | scorche | compile |
| 11:24:48 | caramel | DAMNNIT |
| 11:25:02 | caramel | ok so what do i do to add in the patches? |
| 11:25:18 | caramel | ima recompile |
| 11:25:27 | scorche | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
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| 11:26:47 | amiconn | joecool: Btw, you'd also need to recreate all directories and directory entries |
| 11:26:51 | caramel | ok ummmm i dont know i compiled it said its finished but the folder i compiled it in doesnt look like the usual rockbox files i put on my ipod |
| 11:27:21 | n1s | caramel: 'make zip' |
| 11:27:27 | caramel | ty |
| 11:27:36 | scorche | caramel: read the link i pasted...it says all this and more |
| 11:27:58 | amiconn | It's sure a lot of work, but I know that there are tools (unfortunately not open) that do conversions this way, and it makes sense |
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| 11:36:23 | caramel | bmpresize = album art right? |
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| 11:36:49 | scorche | no....album art = album art |
| 11:36:58 | scorche | bmp resize = resizing of bmps... |
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| 11:39:09 | caramelcoated | umm where can i find the rockbox startup .bmp? |
| 11:40:47 | joecool | ?? |
| 11:41:30 | caramelcoated | like the pic that shows up when u restart the ipod |
| 11:41:39 | caramelcoated | wheres that picture file |
| 11:42:06 | linuxstb | apps/plugins/bitmaps/native/ |
| 11:42:23 | caramelcoated | tyyy! |
| 11:42:33 | linuxstb | You will then need to look at the "SOURCES" file in that directory, and determine (based on LCD size/depth) which file is used on your device. |
| 11:42:50 | gevaerts | caramelcoated: please use real words |
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| 11:43:18 | markun | tyyy == thank you very much? |
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| 11:45:38 | caramelcoated1 | yeahhh |
| 11:45:39 | caramelcoated1 | lol |
| 11:45:57 | BigBambi_PC | markun: Or maybe thanking three people? thank you, you, and you |
| 11:46:40 | scorche | thank you, you yappers? |
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| 11:52:22 | caramelcoated1 | im really comfused. do i install patches, before compiling, before running make, or after compile and make? |
| 11:52:36 | caramelcoated1 | the tutorial page is very confusing and not organized properly |
| 11:53:10 | scorche | before as i already said...and “make” *is* the compiling |
| 11:53:46 | caramelcoated1 | aaugh its not because you do ./compile as a separate action from make! |
| 11:53:54 | caramelcoated1 | so they're NOT the same |
| 11:54:08 | scorche | ....no you dont |
| 11:54:10 | caramelcoated1 | it goes ../tools/configure |
| 11:54:13 | caramelcoated1 | and then you do make |
| 11:54:17 | caramelcoated1 | you dont just do make |
| 11:54:28 | scorche | yes...CONFIGURE |
| 11:54:32 | scorche | not compile |
| 11:54:41 | caramelcoated1 | DAMN MY DYSLEXIA |
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| 11:54:59 | caramelcoated1 | so anyays after compile? or before it? |
| 11:55:01 | markun | damn any dyslexia |
| 11:55:14 | markun | before |
| 11:55:14 | scorche | caramelcoated: for the third time...before compiling... |
| 11:55:27 | caramelcoated1 | SO BEFORE CONFIGURING TOO? |
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| 11:55:43 | scorche | that doesnt matter |
| 11:55:43 | markun | caramelcoated1: the patch changes the source code, so if you apply it after compiling the source code it will not do anything |
| 11:56:03 | markun | well, if the patch changes the configure script than you should apply it before :) |
| 11:56:04 | fml | Hello. Reset A-B markers doesn't seem to work on my sansa e200. I press Power+Play but the markers are still here |
| 11:56:17 | scorche | (but generally before it in case the patch modifies....what he said :) |
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| 11:57:12 | fml | And I would say (after learning the repeat A-B mode) that the recently introduced 'study mode' lost its charme for me! |
| 11:57:16 | markun | caramelcoated1: which patch do you want to apply? |
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| 11:57:50 | caramelcoated1 | the bmpresize |
| 11:58:26 | caramelcoated1 | but i cant find album art patch for the life of me |
| 11:58:32 | Horscht | hah! |
| 11:58:39 | Horscht | album art has long been integrated |
| 11:58:59 | caramelcoated1 | AUGH |
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| 11:59:27 | Horscht | not bmpresize, though |
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| 12:18:25 | JdGordon | has anyone got a nano handy? |
| 12:19:19 | * | scorche waits for someone not heading to bed to speak up |
| 12:20:02 | JdGordon | dw, found my sisters |
| 12:20:47 | fml | Is it a feature or a bug that in the A-B- repeat mode, pressing FWD jumps either to the beginning of the song or to the A mark but never to B or to the end of song? |
| 12:21:58 | JdGordon | freeking marvelous... I cant reproduce this bug at all :'( |
| 12:23:49 | fml | JdGordon: A-B? I use sansa e200. |
| 12:23:57 | JdGordon | no, a different one |
| 12:24:06 | JdGordon | I dont know about that feature/bug |
| 12:24:13 | fml | Ah, so the thing I'm speaking of is a feature? |
| 12:24:17 | JdGordon | sounds more like a feature though |
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| 14:00:49 | linuxstb | pixelma: I've just read your post about metronome on the c200 being broken and hard to fix because of (I assume) plugin actions. Is anyone in favour of retaining the current method of using plugin actions? |
| 14:03:26 | preglow | i thought it was decided it was a bad idea |
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| 14:05:09 | linuxstb | So did I, but I just want to check no-one is arguing in favour of keeping them... |
| 14:06:46 | pixelma | sorry, gotta run... there are a few devs who seem to like it (roolku, rasher, TiMiD) but I don't know.... |
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| 15:04:46 | Buschel | preglow: anything speaking against removing sv4-sv6 support from mpc? lots of code can be removed then... |
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| 15:05:24 | amiconn | Buschel: Does it somehow hurt performance if it's left in? |
| 15:06:31 | Buschel | not really, bin size is about 6KB smaller. also: the actual sv8-decoder (not included into rockbox yet) does not support them either |
| 15:06:48 | * | Buschel think he is the only one who ever owned sv4-sv6 files |
| 15:06:56 | Buschel | *thinks |
| 15:07:33 | * | amiconn doesn't know anyone who uses musepack at all, but that's probably not representative |
| 15:07:36 | linuxstb | I suppose you could remove it, and then if people complain, restore it... |
| 15:07:56 | * | linuxstb doesn't know anyone who doesn't use mp3... |
| 15:08:14 | * | Buschel doesn't use mp3 ;o) |
| 15:08:28 | Buschel | at least not on my dap |
| 15:08:45 | * | amiconn uses mp3, flac, and a bit of vorbis |
| 15:08:48 | linuxstb | Nor do I... Although that may change if I get a 250GB drive for my Archos... |
| 15:09:20 | Buschel | i do own 15GB of mpc and some mp3's and flac's for performance tests |
| 15:10:44 | * | amiconn once tried mpc and vorbis in order to see whether transparent encodings yield lower bitrate on average than when using mp3 |
| 15:10:54 | amiconn | The result was negative |
| 15:11:43 | Buschel | not for my ears −− but the psymodel is tweaked for my hearing ;o) |
| 15:12:52 | Buschel | in fact rockbox's mpc-support was the reason for buying a dap |
| 15:13:22 | amiconn | As the main musepack coder, you're certainly biased ;) |
| 15:13:34 | * | amiconn gtg |
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| 15:39:45 | Xqtftqx | hey |
| 15:39:54 | Xqtftqx | how do i get into gigabeat s channel? |
| 15:40:07 | Xqtftqx | hello!? |
| 15:40:20 | Xqtftqx | #gigabea |
| 15:42:02 | linuxstb | You can only access #rockbox using the Rockbox web client. |
| 15:42:23 | linuxstb | So you need to install a real IRC client. |
| 15:42:38 | Xqtftqx | oh |
| 15:42:43 | Xqtftqx | ok thank you very much |
| 15:43:19 | Xqtftqx | what port do i use in xchat? |
| 15:45:17 | linuxstb | Xqtftqx: For general questions about irc or freenode, try here - http://freenode.net/ |
| 15:46:54 | Xqtftqx | its ok |
| 15:46:57 | Xqtftqx | i got it |
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| 15:53:39 | Xqtftqxt | can somebody send me the nk.bin file |
| 15:53:41 | Xqtftqxt | for the gigabeat s |
| 15:57:09 | linuxstb | Xqtftqxt: This is an nk.bin built from the current Rockbox source - I haven't tested it though. http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/nk.bin |
| 15:57:42 | Xqtftqxt | k |
| 15:57:44 | Xqtftqxt | thanks so much! |
| 15:57:50 | Xqtftqxt | ill try it |
| 15:57:52 | Xqtftqxt | so wait |
| 15:57:58 | Xqtftqxt | if the switch is off |
| 15:58:05 | Xqtftqxt | it wont format the drive? |
| 15:58:23 | linuxstb | What do you mean? Which switch? |
| 15:58:39 | Xqtftqxt | on the bottom |
| 15:58:49 | Xqtftqxt | ON and OFF |
| 15:58:51 | linuxstb | The battery switch? |
| 15:58:57 | Xqtftqxt | if i plug it in |
| 15:58:59 | Xqtftqxt | and patch |
| 15:59:06 | Xqtftqxt | will it format the hard drive? |
| 15:59:15 | Xqtftqxt | ahh nvm |
| 15:59:18 | Xqtftqxt | ive got a backup anyway |
| 15:59:22 | Xqtftqxt | ok well thank you so much |
| 15:59:28 | Xqtftqxt | i owe u one |
| 15:59:30 | Xqtftqxt | g2g |
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| 16:12:55 | Xqtftqx | linuxstb you mthere? |
| 16:13:10 | Xqtftqx | you there* |
| 16:15:37 | Xqtftqx | Can anybody help me out with the S? |
| 16:16:23 | DerPapst | what's the problem? |
| 16:16:46 | Xqtftqx | its in its not a problem |
| 16:16:48 | Xqtftqx | but |
| 16:16:56 | Xqtftqx | im installing rockbox on my gigabeat s |
| 16:17:03 | Xqtftqx | and its in Bootloader mode now |
| 16:17:06 | Xqtftqx | what do i do? |
| 16:17:16 | Xqtftqx | i have to transfer the rockbox stuff right? |
| 16:17:26 | DerPapst | yes... |
| 16:17:32 | Xqtftqx | which ones |
| 16:17:35 | Xqtftqx | im confused |
| 16:17:43 | Xqtftqx | i put .rockbox dir from the wiki on there |
| 16:17:46 | Xqtftqx | unplugged usb |
| 16:17:49 | Xqtftqx | and it says |
| 16:17:52 | Xqtftqx | "File not found" |
| 16:18:08 | DerPapst | you're in rockbox' bootloader right now? |
| 16:18:11 | Xqtftqx | yes |
| 16:18:14 | Xqtftqx | it says |
| 16:18:18 | Xqtftqx | "Bootloader USB mode" |
| 16:18:23 | DerPapst | ok |
| 16:18:43 | Xqtftqx | i found the TFAT partion |
| 16:18:48 | Xqtftqx | and put the rockbox dir on there |
| 16:18:50 | Xqtftqx | so its like |
| 16:18:52 | DerPapst | just a quick note, please put more words in one line and ise less newlines |
| 16:18:59 | DerPapst | *use |
| 16:18:59 | Xqtftqx | k |
| 16:19:13 | linuxstb | Xqtftqx: Did you read the GigabeatSInstallation wiki page? |
| 16:19:18 | Xqtftqx | yeah |
| 16:19:45 | linuxstb | Which TFAT partition did you extract the rockbox.zip file to? |
| 16:19:54 | Xqtftqx | the bigger one |
| 16:20:17 | linuxstb | So at the top-level of that drive, you have a new folder called ".rockbox", and inside there a file called "rockbox.gigabeat" ? |
| 16:20:18 | DerPapst | ooohh.. an new page.. |
| 16:20:22 | Xqtftqx | yeah |
| 16:20:36 | Xqtftqx | What? |
| 16:20:38 | linuxstb | Then you may have hit the same problem others have had.... |
| 16:20:46 | Xqtftqx | ok |
| 16:20:49 | Xqtftqx | what do i do? |
| 16:21:08 | linuxstb | For an as yet unknown reason, the bootloader fails to find the rockbox.gigabeat file, even though it's there. |
| 16:21:16 | Xqtftqx | hmmm |
| 16:21:40 | linuxstb | It happened to me, and I just kept trying, using recovery mode to restore the original firmware, and doing the bootloader install again. It then suddenly worked... |
| 16:21:53 | Xqtftqx | k |
| 16:21:55 | Xqtftqx | ill try |
| 16:22:01 | DerPapst | maybe put a rockbox tar on the device? |
| 16:22:08 | DerPapst | maybe the bootloader finds that one |
| 16:22:12 | Xqtftqx | Yah!!!!! |
| 16:22:14 | Xqtftqx | It works |
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| 16:22:30 | Xqtftqx | hnn |
| 16:22:35 | Xqtftqx | and it stopped |
| 16:22:38 | Xqtftqx | i unplugged the ac |
| 16:22:40 | Xqtftqx | and it reset |
| 16:22:48 | Xqtftqx | cause i forgot to flipp back the switch |
| 16:22:57 | Xqtftqx | and now its doing the install again |
| 16:22:57 | DerPapst | less newlines *cough* |
| 16:23:27 | Xqtftqx | dang |
| 16:23:31 | Xqtftqx | rockbox looks nice on this |
| 16:23:36 | Xqtftqx | it did for like 2 seconds |
| 16:23:39 | Xqtftqx | then it reset |
| 16:23:42 | Xqtftqx | ill do the install again |
| 16:23:48 | DerPapst | please. stop it |
| 16:24:18 | Xqtftqx | what? |
| 16:24:18 | DerPapst | use the return button less often. |
| 16:24:23 | DerPapst | it's |
| 16:24:27 | DerPapst | completely |
| 16:24:30 | DerPapst | annoying |
| 16:24:35 | Xqtftqx | oh sorry, im used to im windows. |
| 16:25:12 | Xqtftqx | Ok it works now |
| 16:25:53 | Xqtftqx | no more dang MTP! its the best day ever! |
| 16:26:49 | Xqtftqx | Thank you so much everybody |
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| 16:26:55 | DerPapst | :) |
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| 16:32:25 | xqtftqx | ok im back |
| 16:32:47 | xqtftqx | ive got anthor problem, whenever i turn off the player, it goes to the firmware upgrade thing |
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| 16:34:08 | loaderx | hi |
| 16:34:35 | loaderx | My sansa e200 has no space left, and now rockbox is stuck at the loading screen |
| 16:34:48 | xqtftqx | wierd |
| 16:35:20 | loaderx | i was recording, and didnt realize my disk was full |
| 16:35:35 | curtmack | Question, I tried following the instructions on PluginMpegplayer for encoding with mencoder (for iRivier H10 20G if that helps), but the resulting video has a few problems |
| 16:36:09 | curtmack | a) it freezes and then skips ahead at random points |
| 16:36:17 | curtmack | even when played on my computer |
| 16:36:36 | curtmack | b) there's a very noticeable audio desynch |
| 16:36:56 | * | DerPapst has the same problems and gave up back then... :P |
| 16:37:05 | DerPapst | *had |
| 16:37:30 | DerPapst | loaderx: reset the e200 and throw some stuff off? |
| 16:37:40 | curtmack | also, when I try setting the FPS to 39, mencoder just says mpeg2 doesn't support 39 FPS |
| 16:37:57 | loaderx | derpast I tried that |
| 16:38:02 | loaderx | still stuck |
| 16:38:40 | DerPapst | can't you connect it to your pc before resetting? this way it should go into the OFs disk mode |
| 16:39:01 | loaderx | it refreshes the database |
| 16:39:04 | DerPapst | curtmack: why 39FPS? aren't 25 enough? |
| 16:39:14 | loaderx | but then it says not enough space |
| 16:39:32 | DerPapst | and it just gives up? |
| 16:39:40 | DerPapst | poor design of sandig! |
| 16:39:46 | DerPapst | *sandisk |
| 16:40:23 | curtmack | looking at the table on PluginMpegplaer |
| 16:40:26 | curtmack | player |
| 16:40:29 | xqtftqx | can anybody help with my problem, my gigabeat one reboot without showing the firmware upgrade screen |
| 16:40:59 | curtmack | it suggests a framerate of 39 FPS for a 4:3 video |
| 16:41:02 | DerPapst | loaderx: i'm not too familiar with the e200 (though i have one).. maybe you can access the drive in some recoverymode |
| 16:41:08 | loaderx | I managed to get the sansa in usb mode, and I deleted 80MB of stuff |
| 16:41:17 | curtmack | should I try 25? |
| 16:41:31 | DerPapst | curtmack: worth a try |
| 16:41:38 | loaderx | but rockbox is still freezes and it says loading |
| 16:41:53 | curtmack | have you tried booting into the original firmware? |
| 16:43:21 | loaderx | do I need to reinstall rockbox? |
| 16:45:48 | xqtftqx | Can anybody help me out! |
| 16:46:22 | * | DerPapst doesn't know |
| 16:46:51 | loaderx | can rockbox add a disk full protection |
| 16:46:58 | curtmack | grr |
| 16:47:12 | curtmack | setting the framerate to 25 just introduced a ton of visual artefacts :P |
| 16:47:56 | DerPapst | maybe try this NTSC rate... 29.xxx frames |
| 16:47:56 | loaderx | use 30 |
| 16:48:41 | curtmack | wait a second |
| 16:48:42 | curtmack | hmm |
| 16:50:27 | curtmack | I wonder if the desynch exists in the original mpegs that I converted from FLVs... |
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| 16:50:43 | curtmack | it occurs to me I never checked |
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| 16:52:40 | curtmack | but that doesn't seem to be the problem |
| 16:53:04 | curtmack | nor did setting the framerate to 30 help |
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| 16:54:26 | linuxstb | xqtftqx: If your gigabeat wants to restore itself, you need to let it... You'll need to upload a nk.bin at the end of the process to finish the recovery. |
| 16:54:38 | xqtftqx | i did |
| 16:54:41 | xqtftqx | and rockbox loads |
| 16:54:45 | xqtftqx | then if i turn it off |
| 16:54:48 | xqtftqx | and turn it back on |
| 16:54:53 | xqtftqx | it says firmware upgrade |
| 16:54:58 | xqtftqx | and i supposed to just wait? |
| 16:55:02 | linuxstb | How are you turning it off? |
| 16:55:18 | xqtftqx | the power buttom |
| 16:55:22 | xqtftqx | just holding it down |
| 16:55:38 | xqtftqx | and it says "shutting down" then if i turn it on again it says |
| 16:55:46 | xqtftqx | "firmware upgrade and restore" please wait |
| 16:56:18 | xqtftqx | how can i fix this? |
| 16:56:20 | linuxstb | When you install Rockbox, are you making any changes to the disk layout (partition table etc)? |
| 16:56:29 | xqtftqx | i didnt |
| 16:56:37 | xqtftqx | what do you mean |
| 16:56:49 | xqtftqx | i ran the patched v updater |
| 16:56:57 | xqtftqx | and put the rockbox dir on there |
| 16:56:59 | xqtftqx | thats it |
| 16:57:01 | linuxstb | OK, I've no idea about that, I just use sendfirm. |
| 16:57:05 | xqtftqx | nothing more nothing less |
| 16:57:09 | xqtftqx | im not under linux |
| 16:57:26 | xqtftqx | can i send it via a cywig session? |
| 16:57:41 | linuxstb | No. |
| 16:57:44 | xqtftqx | dang |
| 16:57:47 | xqtftqx | can i open a vm |
| 16:57:58 | xqtftqx | and from there sync the usb ports then send it? |
| 16:58:00 | linuxstb | Maybe, but your vm would need low-level USB access. |
| 16:58:24 | xqtftqx | what the free Wmware do it? |
| 16:58:35 | xqtftqx | whould* |
| 16:59:02 | linuxstb | I don't know, I use native Linux. |
| 16:59:13 | xqtftqx | which version? |
| 16:59:16 | xqtftqx | can i use a live cd? |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:08 | xqtftqx | so wait |
| 17:00:14 | xqtftqx | i but it into recovery mode? |
| 17:00:20 | xqtftqx | or just let it sit and do sendfirm |
| 17:01:44 | xqtftqx | can you send me the compiled sendfirm utilitie? |
| 17:03:20 | xqtftqx | Hello, are you there? |
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| 17:12:58 | xqtftqx | anybody here!!! |
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| 17:38:52 | * | kugel just got a weird error while compiling the sim |
| 17:38:57 | kugel | "chmod: changing permissions of `/home/diablo/share/rbdev/rockbox_pictureflow/sim/apps/codecs/vorbis.codec': Operation not permitted" |
| 17:39:31 | gevaerts | did you compile as root the previous time ? |
| 17:39:43 | kugel | no, it's a clean svn |
| 17:40:08 | kugel | I checked that file, it's user and group match my username |
| 17:40:16 | kugel | its* |
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| 17:43:01 | xqtftqx | can anybody help me with this problem ive bean having |
| 17:43:31 | xqtftqx | or send me a compiled sendfirm |
| 17:43:57 | bertrik | xqtftqx: sorry I can't help you, I tried to compile sendfirm but I don't have libmtp installed |
| 17:44:10 | xqtftqx | can you download it? |
| 17:44:12 | BigBambi_PC | xqtftqx: Could you concisly, without using the enter key as punctuation, outline the problem? I couldn't really follow you before? |
| 17:44:33 | BigBambi_PC | I can upload a sendfirm if necessary |
| 17:45:59 | xqtftqx | ok, ive downloaded the patched V updater, put the compiled nk.bin file in there, ran the install.bat, it entered usb bootloader mode, then i out the .rockbox dir in there, rockbox booted, i turned off the player, and when i turned it on, i got the Firmware Upgrade Screen. |
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| 17:46:24 | BigBambi_PC | xqtftqx: and you are using linux or windows? |
| 17:46:38 | xqtftqx | i can switch |
| 17:46:47 | xqtftqx | windows perferably |
| 17:46:53 | BigBambi_PC | ok, well linux for sendfirm :) |
| 17:47:04 | xqtftqx | ok i switch |
| 17:47:08 | xqtftqx | k |
| 17:47:11 | xqtftqx | send the file |
| 17:47:21 | xqtftqx | ill move it over to me linux computer |
| 17:48:12 | BigBambi_PC | http://aeparker.com/files/sendfirm |
| 17:48:25 | xqtftqx | k thank you |
| 17:48:30 | BigBambi_PC | no problem |
| 17:48:30 | xqtftqx | ill try |
| 17:48:39 | xqtftqx | Be Back in a sec |
| 17:52:02 | xqtftqx | k |
| 17:52:06 | xqtftqx | i but it in a directory |
| 17:52:37 | xqtftqx | and used Xshell to go into that dir, and i type "sendfirm nk.bin" and it says "Bash File Not Found" |
| 17:52:57 | BigBambi_PC | chmod + x ./sendfirm |
| 17:52:58 | DerPapst | "./sendfirm nk.bin" |
| 17:53:06 | BigBambi_PC | then ./sendfiirm nk.bin |
| 17:53:10 | xqtftqx | ij |
| 17:53:38 | xqtftqx | what do i replace x with? |
| 17:53:45 | BigBambi_PC | eh? |
| 17:53:50 | xqtftqx | it says |
| 17:53:54 | xqtftqx | "x" is not found |
| 17:53:58 | BigBambi_PC | sorry |
| 17:54:03 | * | gevaerts removes a space |
| 17:54:06 | BigBambi_PC | chmod +x sendfirm |
| 17:54:13 | BigBambi_PC | a space slipped in there :) |
| 17:54:18 | xqtftqx | ok ill try that |
| 17:55:24 | xqtftqx | still not found |
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| 17:55:36 | DerPapst | ./sendfirm |
| 17:55:37 | BigBambi_PC | then did you do ./sendfirm nk.bin |
| 17:55:46 | xqtftqx | yeah |
| 17:55:53 | xqtftqx | hold on ill try something out |
| 17:55:58 | DerPapst | always add "./" infront of sendfirm |
| 17:58:15 | xqtftqx | error while loading shared libraries libmtp.so.7 |
| 17:58:29 | BigBambi_PC | you need to hqve libmtp instqlled :) |
| 17:58:36 | BigBambi_PC | which distribution? |
| 17:58:45 | xqtftqx | idk |
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| 17:59:00 | xqtftqx | lol, ummm how can i install via command line? |
| 17:59:28 | BigBambi_PC | Do you know what linux you are using? Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora.... |
| 18:00 |
| 18:00:10 | BigBambi_PC | type "uname -a" in the terminal |
| 18:00:30 | BigBambi_PC | sorry, I didn't mean that |
| 18:01:05 | xqtftqx | Debian |
| 18:01:09 | BigBambi_PC | ok |
| 18:01:57 | BigBambi_PC | so as root, run "apt-get install libmtp7 |
| 18:04:08 | xqtftqx | Chould Not find packadge |
| 18:05:42 | gevaerts | xqtftqx: try downloading the sendfirm from gevaerts/sendfirm">http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/sendfirm |
| 18:06:03 | gevaerts | It's compiled statically, so it should work without having libmtp installed |
| 18:06:28 | BigBambi_PC | gevaerts: cheers |
| 18:06:42 | BigBambi_PC | xqtftqx: out of interest, which version of debian? |
| 18:06:46 | xqtftqx | idk |
| 18:07:07 | xqtftqx | im gonna see if i can tweak rockbox |
| 18:07:09 | BigBambi_PC | "cat /etc/*-release" |
| 18:07:12 | xqtftqx | to not do this |
| 18:07:14 | BigBambi_PC | and please use full words |
| 18:07:20 | BigBambi_PC | to not do what? |
| 18:07:39 | xqtftqx | show the firmware upgrade screen whenever i reset the device |
| 18:08:08 | BigBambi_PC | good luck |
| 18:08:23 | xqtftqx | can i boot from a ubuntu cd and flash the firmware? |
| 18:08:38 | BigBambi_PC | you don't want to flash anything |
| 18:08:50 | xqtftqx | ok... |
| 18:08:53 | xqtftqx | well wait |
| 18:08:56 | xqtftqx | it rebooted! |
| 18:08:58 | BigBambi_PC | but yes, I assume the live cd works well enough to upload the firmware |
| 18:09:00 | xqtftqx | i may have done it |
| 18:09:23 | xqtftqx | on the small partion |
| 18:09:29 | xqtftqx | i see eboot and recovery |
| 18:09:37 | xqtftqx | isnt there supposed to be a nk.bin |
| 18:09:53 | BigBambi_PC | yes |
| 18:10:03 | krazykit | xqtftqx, please put complete thoughts on one line; don't use the enter key as punctuation |
| 18:10:14 | xqtftqx | its not there, and sorry |
| 18:10:17 | BigBambi_PC | krazykit: this has been mentioned a few times :/ |
| 18:10:56 | BigBambi_PC | xqtftqx: nk.bin is the firmware, are you telling us it booted without it? |
| 18:11:02 | xqtftqx | i know, im just crazy, im used to the enter key alot, ill try not to press it as much |
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| 18:11:10 | xqtftqx | theres no nk.bin on the device |
| 18:13:59 | BigBambi_PC | xqtftqx: and you are looking at in via Rockbox bootloader USB? |
| 18:15:02 | xqtftqx | yes |
| 18:15:11 | xqtftqx | i can load rockbox |
| 18:15:17 | xqtftqx | but after i turn off my device |
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| 18:15:34 | xqtftqx | i get the firmware upgrade screen, but rockbox is still there |
| 18:15:46 | BigBambi_PC | then I don't understand. Rockbox usb bootloader mode is within nk.bin |
| 18:15:59 | xqtftqx | i know |
| 18:16:02 | xqtftqx | its wierd |
| 18:19:03 | xqtftqx | BigBambi can you rebuild nk.bin for me? i can try that |
| 18:19:49 | BigBambi_PC | http:/aeparker.com/files/nk.zip |
| 18:19:58 | BigBambi_PC | with another / of course |
| 18:20:03 | xqtftqx | k |
| 18:20:20 | Horschti | is there a list of event numbers? |
| 18:20:39 | Horschti | yesterday I got an error "PANIC! event 257 not found" |
| 18:22:43 | xqtftqx | Ok its installing, lets hope this one works |
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| 18:23:39 | xqtftqx | thats the one for the orginal firmware |
| 18:23:45 | xqtftqx | i ment the rockbox one |
| 18:24:11 | xqtftqx | wait |
| 18:24:15 | xqtftqx | its working!!!!!! |
| 18:24:16 | BigBambi_PC | xqtftqx: no, that is a dual boot one |
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| 18:24:30 | xqtftqx | i had the single boot one |
| 18:24:36 | xqtftqx | Yeah!!!! |
| 18:24:42 | xqtftqx | thanks so much!!! |
| 18:25:05 | BigBambi_PC | no problem |
| 18:25:19 | xqtftqx | Its awsome thanks |
| 18:25:28 | GodEater_ | easy on the ! key too |
| 18:25:43 | xqtftqx | sorry, im very happy |
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| 18:26:25 | xqtftqx | Ok, thanks very much |
| 18:26:27 | xqtftqx | g2g |
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| 19:00:30 | BlackShuck | Anyone know if Sony NW-A3000 is supported by Rockbox? The Sony firmware sucks badly. |
| 19:01:08 | * | bertrik spots no sony in the supported targets table |
| 19:01:43 | * | BlackShuck looked in supported, unsupported, inactive lists, and came up with nothing |
| 19:01:56 | gevaerts | That's a good hint :) |
| 19:02:11 | * | BlackShuck thought he might get a straigh answer in IRC, rather than bitching.. |
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| 19:19:42 | n2aag | hey.. anyone have current info on the usability of ogg on a 3g ipod? (a friend of mine has an old one he wants to send me, but I don't want him to waste the effort if it isn't going to play my music) |
| 19:19:55 | n2aag | err.. vorbis rather, to be precise |
| 19:20:35 | DerPapst | iirc it works well on 3G iPods... there is a codec comparison page somewhere on the wiki |
| 19:21:52 | DerPapst | but i have no idea where this page is |
| 19:22:18 | * | DerPapst is obviously too stupid to search for wiki pages |
| 19:23:51 | n2aag | ... |
| 19:24:04 | n2aag | hmm.. yeah.. I've been having trouble with that.. |
| 19:24:06 | n2aag | too |
| 19:24:30 | DerPapst | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CodecPerformanceComparison but it doesn't list that kind of ipod |
| 19:24:59 | n2aag | there's one page where there are conflicting reports.. "ogg works fine", and then, separately, "buffer underuns" |
| 19:25:22 | n2aag | I'm going to give it a shot and have him send it. worst-case scenario it's another external hard drive |
| 19:25:33 | DerPapst | i have no oggs myself, otherwise i could tell |
| 19:26:12 | bertrik | I play oggs (on a sansa e260) and I have no problem with them whatsoever |
| 19:26:44 | DerPapst | pp502X > pp5002 |
| 19:26:45 | n2aag | also planning to get an ipod mini 2g with a dead microdrive, though, and replace the microdrive with a 32GB CF.. that should at least carry all of my psytrance and electro-house |
| 19:27:57 | n2aag | bertrik: it's good to know that the sansa ports have come along.. last I checked (2 years back probably), the status was "SanDisk wants us to do a port, but hasn't supplied any resources" |
| 19:27:57 | DerPapst | the pp5002 (3G) is "weaker" then the pp502X series (e200) |
| 19:28:08 | n2aag | that I'm aware of |
| 19:28:28 | n2aag | and for a while it was a question of whether or not the ogg decoder could be sufficiently optimized to run on pp5002 |
| 19:28:47 | bertrik | ok, sorry, wasn't aware of that |
| 19:29:05 | n2aag | nothing to be sorry about |
| 19:29:17 | DerPapst | iirc amiconn has some on his 2G iPod |
| 19:30:14 | * | n2aag has fun optimizing algorithms on occasion.. |
| 19:30:53 | * | DerPapst waits for n2aag to optimize the OGG decoder |
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| 19:32:43 | n2aag | it's always fun to see how much you can keep in the registers and avoid reading/writing from/to RAM |
| 19:33:19 | * | DerPapst wants n2aag to join rockbox development |
| 19:33:46 | bertrik | n2aag: if you spot something that can be optimised, I think you'll be welcome to do so |
| 19:33:49 | n2aag | once I get some sort of device, I just might :> |
| 19:34:03 | bertrik | I don't know how much optimisation effort went into the various codecs already |
| 19:35:26 | n2aag | I do like the monolithic nature of rockbox.. certainly appropriate for DAPs and it must simplify the build system tremendously |
| 19:37:15 | DerPapst | well, there're still the plugins and codecs which aren't compiled in. |
| 19:37:31 | n2aag | ah.. |
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| 19:40:03 | n2aag | well.. I should probably do some real work today. off to library to study for the last of my exams. thanks for the info DerPapst, bertrik |
| 19:40:18 | DerPapst | you're welcome :-) |
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| 19:41:23 | saratoga | i would expect ogg to run quite well on the pp5002 |
| 19:41:43 | saratoga | its well optimized, and makes good use of IRAM which is the main requirement for good 5002 performance |
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| 19:42:16 | DerPapst | good to know ;-) |
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| 20:02:54 | Buschel | preglow: you there? |
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| 20:12:33 | Darkneo | are there any pictures of rockbox in use? |
| 20:14:56 | gevaerts | The manual contains screenshots, if that's what you mean |
| 20:16:30 | Buschel | gevearts: btw, I've enabled your USB-code on my 5.5G yesterday. still works unstable here.. but: when it works I get transfer rates about 5000KB/sec :o) (w2k via hub) |
| 20:18:48 | * | Buschel is having a hard time with someone else's seeking code for musepack :/ |
| 20:19:04 | gevaerts | Unstable in what way ? Hubs, random chance, ... ? |
| 20:20:05 | Buschel | gevearts: hangups of the explorer for some time. these can take some while −− during these hangups the transfers are stopped |
| 20:20:23 | Buschel | gevearts: did not test without the hub yet |
| 20:20:44 | Buschel | gevaerts: reading worked far better than writing |
| 20:20:54 | gevaerts | ok, then it's probably the same sort of hub issue that amiconn is seeing |
| 20:21:06 | Buschel | it's a non powered hub |
| 20:22:06 | gevaerts | That shouldn't make a difference, except that windows is actually not allowed to enumerate it then :) (we ask for (but don't use) 500mA, which an unpowered hub can't provide) |
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| 21:01:01 | Overand | heh |
| 21:01:15 | Overand | i just loaded a theme that loaded a corrupted or nonexistent font |
| 21:01:29 | Overand | anyone want to help me nav the menus? |
| 21:02:23 | Overand | oh jeez |
| 21:02:27 | Overand | i need to take a photo of this |
| 21:02:29 | Overand | it's impressive |
| 21:02:37 | soap | more likely it set the font color to the same color as your background. What device are you experiencing this problem on? |
| 21:02:50 | soap | Or are you actually seeing characters, just jumbled? |
| 21:03:39 | Overand | iPod 5G |
| 21:03:43 | Overand | build from a night or two ago |
| 21:03:55 | Overand | im'm on a train, heh - gettign the photo clear is going to be tough |
| 21:04:04 | Overand | i have what look like random noise blocks for text |
| 21:04:04 | Overand | heh |
| 21:04:25 | linuxstb | You can clear your settings by turning on the hold switch as soon as the backlight comes on after rebooting your ipod. |
| 21:04:48 | soap | You can reset the settings by rebooting, and after the apple logo, during the bootloader, but before rockbox starts flipping the hold switch to the on (red) position. |
| 21:04:57 | Overand | ki'm going to see if a reboot does it |
| 21:05:12 | Overand | ... "please wait, very low battery" |
| 21:05:20 | Overand | intersting - my last shutdown apparently wasn't an actual shutdown |
| 21:06:06 | Overand | I charged this up last night, booted into rockbox, held 'play' - and now its in low-battery-mode |
| 21:06:27 | Overand | so much for 'bring the ipod along for the 8 hour train ride' =] |
| 21:06:31 | soap | you mean apple's pretty icon of a depleted battery? |
| 21:06:38 | Overand | soap: yeah |
| 21:06:48 | soap | That is an Apple bug, force a reset. |
| 21:06:50 | Overand | OF stuff, i know |
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| 21:06:57 | Overand | am doing sdo |
| 21:07:15 | Overand | haven' seen that one before |
| 21:10:56 | Overand | seems to happen if i load a theme, then load a second theme with a font file that's not present |
| 21:11:03 | Overand | but not if i load the theme with hte missing font first |
| 21:13:04 | soap | What is the symptom? No font or garbled font? |
| 21:13:16 | kkurbjun | jhMikes, I found the line that removes almost all of the power consumption on the gigabeat F |
| 21:13:31 | markun | kkurbjun: what was it? |
| 21:13:47 | kkurbjun | it's in pcm-meg-fx.c |
| 21:13:50 | Overand | garbled font |
| 21:14:03 | kkurbjun | line 188 |
| 21:14:10 | kkurbjun | IISMOD = (1<<9) | (1<<8) | (2<<6) | (1<<3) | (1<<2) | (1<<0); |
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| 21:14:15 | Overand | soap: i'll upload the photo i took,m but it's UGLY |
| 21:14:23 | markun | Overand: I think I have had the same bug once |
| 21:14:23 | kkurbjun | that's for the initial power consumption before playback is started |
| 21:14:42 | kkurbjun | that makes me think that I need to setup some things like the uart which I'm neglecting right now |
| 21:15:19 | kkurbjun | I'm not entirely sure why that would have such an effect on power though.. |
| 21:15:36 | markun | Overand: I've put it on my todo, but as with so many things never work on it |
| 21:16:42 | Overand | markun: http://overand.com/rockbox-ugly.jpg |
| 21:17:18 | Overand | Considering I took that just now on a train, and used dcraw / imagemacking on my eeepc blindly and SCIPed it up to my servef over my PCS gismo all while VIBRATING due to america's poor trail system, not too bad |
| 21:18:20 | soap | Stop making excuses for your poor composition. You need to learn about proper use of negative space. ;) |
| 21:18:26 | Overand | s/trail/rail./ |
| 21:18:28 | Overand | soap: heh |
| 21:18:42 | soap | But yea, that isn't the font issue I had a solution for. markun it is. |
| 21:19:10 | Overand | I'm semi-willing to test builds. |
| 21:19:29 | Overand | It's 3:19 EST and I'm on this train 'til 10:00 EST |
| 21:20:09 | Overand | But I absolitely cannot submit patches, due to... you know, sucking at programming (; |
| 21:20:37 | Overand | I can send the theme / wps i was using, if that helps, too |
| 21:20:54 | markun | Overand: yes, it looked the same here |
| 21:21:43 | Overand | sexy stuffs. |
| 21:21:51 | markun | kkurbjun: yes, crazy that the power consumtion is so high |
| 21:21:54 | Overand | I should look at the new themes and hack on my personal rev of 'kelp' some more |
| 21:22:17 | kkurbjun | markun, do you know much about the pcm DMA stuff? |
| 21:22:31 | markun | no, not really |
| 21:22:45 | markun | what about it? |
| 21:23:14 | kkurbjun | well, I wanted to know if there was a way the code could be rearranged so that some of this initialization stuff happens on startup |
| 21:24:21 | kkurbjun | I'm not familiar with it though.. I guess I'll wait till jhMikes comes around so I can ask him |
| 21:25:09 | markun | kkurbjun: some of the other drivers have a audiohw_init function |
| 21:25:18 | markun | ah, no |
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| 21:40:03 | Xqtftqx | has anybody got doom running ont he gigabeat s? |
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| 21:41:39 | yeal` | i did a sync in itunes with my ipod, and i have a local library for 5161 songs, but my ipod shows only 5145 songs. I do not understand |
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| 21:44:17 | kkurbjun | markun, I just committed a fix for high power at startup on the F |
| 21:44:31 | yeal` | i guess it is duplicates |
| 21:44:47 | kkurbjun | it seems that the IIS registers don't respond to modification without a clock present to the submodule |
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| 21:46:34 | kkurbjun | I don't know how the I2S interface works exactly, but it appeared that this was caused by contention possibly.. |
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| 21:56:36 | krazykit | yeal`, perhaps some of your songs were purchased from itunes with DRM? |
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| 22:04:25 | jhMikeS | kkurbjun: I don't exacly recall what that turns on. Which part of it is messed? |
| 22:06:53 | kkurbjun | jhmikes, I committed the fix |
| 22:07:07 | kkurbjun | I think that the problems was in the dma_init stuff |
| 22:07:24 | kkurbjun | the IIS config registers were being changed whithout aclock |
| 22:07:32 | kkurbjun | and I think there was contention on the IIS pins |
| 22:08:04 | jhMikeS | ah, it's need to be setup earlier |
| 22:08:13 | kkurbjun | I double checked to see if it was caused by the IIS pins changing to function pins and when they were left as inputs they didn't show the high consumption |
| 22:08:42 | kkurbjun | so I think the idle bit was actually not taking effect till the clock was fed to the IIS interface |
| 22:08:43 | jhMikeS | so it's setup before setting the codec to master mode? |
| 22:09:02 | kkurbjun | strange thing is that if you setup the IIs interface without a clock and then enable it later it doesn't work |
| 22:09:29 | kkurbjun | hmm, I don't know about that, I'm not familiar with the codec code |
| 22:10:08 | kkurbjun | I think the power would still be low if you wrote in the slave bit with the clock enabled |
| 22:10:12 | jhMikeS | kkurbjun: it's quite normal to require module clocking in order to write regs and have them take effect internally |
| 22:10:16 | kkurbjun | just the slave bit that is |
| 22:10:29 | kkurbjun | yep, it seemed reasonable to me |
| 22:10:52 | kkurbjun | I don't see how all the logic would work without a clock :-D |
| 22:11:27 | kkurbjun | I wouldn't have found it though without the jtag stuff to step through the code |
| 22:11:34 | kkurbjun | remote gdb is nice |
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| 22:15:26 | jhMikeS | the driver had been like that ever since I first saw it |
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| 22:16:45 | kkurbjun | yeah, no worries, it's not something I think anyone would have suspected to cause such high power |
| 22:17:15 | jhMikeS | good thing it didn't fry anything come to think of it :) |
| 22:17:28 | kkurbjun | now I need to figure out why the player is still consuming quite a bit when stopped "properly" :( |
| 22:17:35 | kkurbjun | :-D, yeah definately |
| 22:18:05 | jhMikeS | btw, will poweroff end up returning? there's no while(1); guard at the end |
| 22:19:07 | jhMikeS | perhaps modules should be stopped first and then unclocked |
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| 22:21:10 | kkurbjun | I think it will return.. I wish I had an idea what module is causing the high power though.. I can't debug when the processor stops - the power consumption is at 40 mA with the proc stopped. Shutting down the modules is a good idea, I'm starting by looking at the pins that are setup as functions to see if I can spot anything with them |
| 22:21:48 | kkurbjun | right now i'm suspecting that there is some contention when powered down since this power seems in the range of the IIS problem |
| 22:24:21 | jhMikeS | I think poweroff throughout the system in general need to be cleaner and drivers shut down. Things are turned on in audiohw_init but not turned off in audiohw_close. likewise for other external switches. |
| 22:25:52 | jhMikeS | what happens to GPIO pins in SLEEP mode anyway |
| 22:27:14 | kkurbjun | they stay in their previous state |
| 22:31:11 | jhMikeS | ouch, so then they can leave the HD powered and such? |
| 22:31:37 | kkurbjun | yep, it would be possible |
| 22:32:01 | kkurbjun | like I said, it's about 40 mA of power |
| 22:32:19 | kkurbjun | the player is showing 45/46 mA right now idle |
| 22:32:46 | kkurbjun | do you have any idea what might consume that much? |
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| 22:36:36 | jhMikeS | not off hand other than to start powering off the various bits and see |
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| 22:38:55 | Xqtftqx | Does anybody have doom working on the gigabeat s yet? |
| 22:39:11 | jhMikeS | I'd think it should work now but can't promise an ideal keymap |
| 22:40:05 | Xqtftqx | what? |
| 22:43:54 | BigBambi | er, doom?.... |
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| 22:44:49 | jhMikeS | hmmm, guess not. it freezes at "Initializing Graphics Engine" |
| 22:45:04 | BigBambi | never mind :) |
| 22:45:10 | * | jhMikeS updates the plugin to be sure |
| 22:45:32 | BigBambi | Xqtftqx: when it is made to work, it shall be committed and you will see it on the front page |
| 22:45:53 | BigBambi | XavierGr: However, I imagine (and hope!) that is a low priority |
| 22:46:40 | BigBambi | sorry, @ Xqtftqx |
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| 22:47:52 | jhMikeS | nope, it really isn't working too well |
| 22:48:43 | Xqtftqx | my gigabeat is running rockbox now |
| 22:48:48 | Xqtftqx | and its working ok |
| 22:49:02 | Xqtftqx | only problem is |
| 22:49:05 | * | jhMikeS was talking about doom |
| 22:49:06 | Xqtftqx | to charge |
| 22:49:09 | Xqtftqx | oh |
| 22:49:18 | Xqtftqx | k ill go rebuild the soruce |
| 22:49:21 | BigBambi | Xqtftqx: Please STOP using the enter key as punctuation |
| 22:49:37 | Xqtftqx | Lol, sorry. |
| 22:49:47 | BigBambi | Xqtftqx: why? It still doesn't work |
| 22:50:10 | Xqtftqx | Rockbox works now thanks to you, but doom get stuck at "Starting Graphics Engine" |
| 22:50:14 | BigBambi | Xqtftqx: And we know charging doesn't work yet. The port is in an early stage still, and not really suitable for non devs |
| 22:50:33 | Xqtftqx | yeah it whould realy help if it was chargin |
| 22:50:39 | BigBambi | We know |
| 22:50:52 | Xqtftqx | and BigBambi can you rebuild the MultiBoot nk.bin |
| 22:51:00 | BigBambi | no, sorry |
| 22:51:03 | Xqtftqx | Theres a upgrade is says |
| 22:51:11 | * | jhMikeS just installed a nuclear pack and doesn't have to charge to the next 15000 yeard |
| 22:51:19 | BigBambi | jhMikeS: hehe :) |
| 22:52:01 | Xqtftqx | BigBambi how many more days do you think till a official realse? |
| 22:52:03 | BigBambi | Xqtftqx: But seriously, it is a port in progress. Until it is official, please don't report lots of bugs - it isn't finished yet |
| 22:52:17 | BigBambi | Xqtftqx: that is completely impossible to guess |
| 22:52:29 | BigBambi | people work on Rockbox in their spare time, as volunteers |
| 22:52:35 | BigBambi | When it is done, it will be done |
| 22:52:52 | Xqtftqx | Ok |
| 22:52:52 | Xqtftqx | Ok |
| 22:52:52 | Xqtftqx | Ill try to work on it to |
| 22:53:08 | BigBambi | I suggest starting with how to compile |
| 22:53:16 | Xqtftqx | i can compile everything fine |
| 22:53:23 | BigBambi | except the bootloader it seems |
| 22:53:31 | Xqtftqx | exept the bootloader, where i get tons of errors |
| 22:53:32 | BigBambi | Or why did you ask me for one? |
| 22:53:40 | Xqtftqx | i did...... |
| 22:53:54 | Xqtftqx | Earlier Today, you sent me the multiboot one |
| 22:54:03 | BigBambi | I'm aware of this.... |
| 22:54:27 | BigBambi | If you look at the timestamps of those messages, they are 1 second apart, we were clearly typing at the same time |
| 22:54:28 | Xqtftqx | Ok, but whats the changes i see for the bootloader on the rockbox main site |
| 22:54:35 | BigBambi | Just what they say |
| 22:54:46 | BigBambi | Xqtftqx: Please, it isn't ready yet |
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| 22:55:10 | Xqtftqx | What did i do? I asked you what the changes were |
| 22:55:20 | BigBambi | and I answered... |
| 22:55:33 | BigBambi | The changes were described in the commit message... |
| 22:55:41 | Xqtftqx | Alright Then.... |
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| 22:56:18 | BigBambi | Xqtftqx: My point is, it is not complete. The developers know what there is left to do, and reporting 'bugs' on unfinished builds is not so useful |
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| 22:56:34 | Xqtftqx | Hold on, i want you to look at these errors |
| 22:56:44 | BigBambi | a please would be nice... |
| 22:56:56 | Xqtftqx | please |
| 22:57:04 | mcuelenaere | should 4kB of IRAM be enough for the core, plugins and codecs? (DM320 is the CPU if you're wondering) |
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| 22:58:01 | kkurbjun | mcuelenaere: I don't think it will work with the other targets that use iram |
| 22:58:15 | kkurbjun | the ipods have quite a bit if I'm thinking straight |
| 22:58:20 | domonoky | mcuelenaere: if the cpu/sdram is fast, then rockbox doesnt need much iram.. as far as i know |
| 22:59:36 | kkurbjun | mcuelenaere: I was wondering if that DMA code for the ata driver can be done a little higher up so other dm320 targets can take advantage of it |
| 22:59:50 | kkurbjun | I havn't looked at it in too much depth though.. |
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| 23:00:35 | mcuelenaere | kkurbjun: what do the other targets have to do with the use of IRAM for the DM320? |
| 23:00:47 | mcuelenaere | and about the ata DMA code, it is not working for me atm :( |
| 23:00:49 | saratoga | mcuelenaere: small IRAM targets generally don't use IRAM much or at all unless they need it for some function |
| 23:00:56 | kkurbjun | mcuelenaere: there are IRAM defines in the code that you would have to ifdef if there's not enough |
| 23:01:11 | kkurbjun | for example rockboy uses quite a bit of iram |
| 23:01:23 | kkurbjun | and we would have to add in ifdefs for a smaller iram targer |
| 23:01:29 | mcuelenaere | ah ok |
| 23:01:40 | kkurbjun | currently the only way to control the iram usage is the use defines |
| 23:02:01 | kkurbjun | it would be nice if there was a way to prioritize things and put what fit in when possible |
| 23:02:03 | saratoga | eventually IRAM should be overhauled based on the amount available, now that we have targets with just a few KB, 96KB, 128KB and probably soon several hundred KB or more |
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| 23:03:16 | mcuelenaere | __attribute__ ((section(".icode_p1"))), __attribute__ ((section(".icode_p2"))), etc.. ? |
| 23:03:40 | mcuelenaere | @kkurbjun |
| 23:03:43 | kkurbjun | that's a possiblity |
| 23:03:56 | kkurbjun | it would be really nice to have it automated |
| 23:04:02 | kkurbjun | but I don't know how you would implement that |
| 23:04:07 | mcuelenaere | but it would require a lot of code rewriting :) |
| 23:04:16 | saratoga | having IRAM_96K, IRAM_128K, IRAM_320K defines might make sense |
| 23:04:34 | mcuelenaere | or #if IRAM > 96 etc |
| 23:04:37 | saratoga | where any target with at least that much has it defined |
| 23:04:43 | kkurbjun | I don't like having more cases in the code |
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| 23:04:55 | saratoga | otherwise you get DRAM |
| 23:05:08 | kkurbjun | generally iram only helps with certain code/data |
| 23:05:24 | kkurbjun | so having say 320 K won't necessarily help you |
| 23:05:30 | mcuelenaere | would the USB driver benefit of IRAM usage ? (ie quick response time) |
| 23:05:40 | mcuelenaere | I mean the low-level code |
| 23:06:09 | kkurbjun | I am not sure, I would ask gevaerts |
| 23:06:13 | saratoga | kkurbjun: having 320K of IRAM would be very nice in some of the codecs |
| 23:06:39 | saratoga | we could basically run them out of IRAM and save a good deal of pwoer |
| 23:07:12 | kkurbjun | saratoga, has it been shown that much power will be saved running everything from iram? |
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| 23:07:29 | kkurbjun | I would asskume that it would, but I guess a measurement would be nice |
| 23:07:35 | kkurbjun | assume |
| 23:07:53 | saratoga | kkurbjun: it greatly reduces the clock cycles needed on coldfire and the pp5002, and reduces it still quite a lot on PP50XX |
| 23:07:55 | kkurbjun | I was thinking if there was a way to take care of the iram size on the linker level |
| 23:08:13 | saratoga | newer ARM targets have nice caches so the impact of IRAM is much less, but its still very useful |
| 23:08:33 | kkurbjun | I'm not sure, but I think something like that should really be researched before someone starts adding in a ton of #ifdefs |
| 23:08:40 | saratoga | because codecs often stream through data using it only once before storing, in which case cache doesn't help you at all |
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| 23:08:50 | jhMikeS | small, repetitive code loops aren't benefitted much by IRAM |
| 23:09:00 | saratoga | kkurbjun: you don't need to #ifdef anything |
| 23:09:07 | saratoga | you can just expand the current IBSS_ATTR defines |
| 23:09:47 | saratoga | for example, "static complex_t Z1[512] IBSS_ATTR;" becomes "static complex_t Z1[512] IBSS_ATTR_128K" so that its only allocated in IRAM on 128K or larger targets, and becomes DRAM elsewhere |
| 23:09:47 | jhMikeS | doing it at the linker level doesn't let you prioritize IRAM usage either |
| 23:10:05 | saratoga | this is how we handle the gigabeats already |
| 23:10:35 | kkurbjun | yep, I know how the gigabeat is handled, that is possible.. |
| 23:10:35 | Llorean | mcuelenaere: I seem to recall gevaerts playing with IRAM in the USB driver, and assume that since it's not in use it turned out to not be a significant enough factor, but I'm not sure. |
| 23:10:59 | kkurbjun | saratoga: the other concern is what to do when we get a number of targets that have a number of different sizes |
| 23:10:59 | saratoga | at a side benefit, this can be implemented in the current codecs using a simple find and replace since |
| 23:11:01 | jhMikeS | but it's a complete "faking" of IRAM and libmad still has a #define to prevent assembly portions from actually going into the iram section |
| 23:11:07 | jhMikeS | -s |
| 23:11:12 | mcuelenaere | Llorean: the reason I'm referring to putting it in IRAM, is as the OF does it |
| 23:11:26 | mcuelenaere | but I mean the interrupt handler, not the whole higher level USB code |
| 23:11:29 | saratoga | jhMikeS: yes ideally we'd want some way to tell the linker to not blow up when we try to link into fake IRAM |
| 23:11:33 | jhMikeS | the faking doesn't actually function like it should |
| 23:11:34 | kkurbjun | saratoga: I like the idea considering the current targets we have, but what about the future? |
| 23:11:37 | linuxstb | saratoga: It's not as simple as "IBSS_ATTR_128K" - how IRAM should be prioritised also depends on the CPU and its cache(s). |
| 23:11:41 | saratoga | that ifdef in MAD is actually my doing :) |
| 23:11:56 | saratoga | linuxstb: can you elaborate? |
| 23:11:57 | Llorean | mcuelenaere: Well if you search the IRC logs, I think you'll find a discussion relating to it, though I couldn't hazard to begin to guess when it was now. |
| 23:12:13 | jhMikeS | saragtoga: then you add *(.ibss) into the bss area, etc. |
| 23:13:58 | linuxstb | saratoga: e.g. Coldfire only has an instruction cache, no data cache. So there it can be better to use IRAM for data. |
| 23:14:43 | saratoga | linuxstb: yes but its also better to use IRAM for data on PP too |
| 23:15:11 | saratoga | the caches are different, but the optimization strategy is nearly always the same |
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| 23:17:17 | kkurbjun | I think another way this could be done is to say there are perhaps 4 or more priority levels for data, instruction, and const. The code that goes in each priority would be based on profiling |
| 23:17:45 | kkurbjun | then we take say priority 1 data, code, and const and always put it in IRAM |
| 23:17:52 | saratoga | isn't that basically what i'm proposing ? |
| 23:18:04 | kkurbjun | yes, but without a define to say the ammount |
| 23:18:17 | saratoga | you still need to tell the linker about IRAM . . . |
| 23:18:25 | kkurbjun | this would allow us to pick the priorities you want for each target |
| 23:18:40 | kkurbjun | we can make watever section names we want for the linker |
| 23:18:58 | saratoga | i mean either way you're still going to have to say "int variable_name iram_level" |
| 23:19:34 | * | jhMikeS sees crt0.S depends on the presence of _iramend :\ |
| 23:19:37 | kkurbjun | so if say data is more important on a target we would only focus on p1 for code, and forget all the rest of the lower levels to focus on lower level data |
| 23:20:08 | linuxstb | saratoga: I've found IRAM on PP very unpredictable - in many cases, putting things in IRAM has made negligible difference, or even slowed things down. |
| 23:20:24 | saratoga | linuxstb: yes i've observed that as well |
| 23:20:35 | kkurbjun | saratoga, yes, I was just suggesting a way to prioritize it based on the target's strengths |
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| 23:20:52 | saratoga | thats really not going to work very well |
| 23:20:58 | jhMikeS | kkurbjun: how do I remove the _iramend references from there without breaking crt0.S? |
| 23:21:02 | saratoga | you pretty much have to test each variable to see, particularly on PP |
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| 23:21:36 | saratoga | linuxstb: i suspect that certain addressing modes incur some sort of latency when used on variables in IRAM |
| 23:21:46 | saratoga | though i've never bothered to look into it |
| 23:22:11 | kkurbjun | jhMikeS: the F doesn't use it anymore |
| 23:22:24 | kkurbjun | why are you trying to remove the references? |
| 23:22:38 | saratoga | because i've noticed that putting things like VLC decode tree parsing in IRAM are slower, while putting code that does load multiple/store multiple ops in gets much faster |
| 23:22:42 | ajkessel | Anyone have any experience running rockbox with a Bose Sounddock? The dock works fine when the iPod is booted with Apple firmware, but with Rockbox no sound is audible through the speakers (iPod Video 80GB; latest RB build). |
| 23:22:45 | jhMikeS | I see "copy code to 0x30000000" and such |
| 23:22:48 | kkurbjun | jhMikeS: nevermind, the f still does |
| 23:22:56 | kkurbjun | I shouldn't need it though |
| 23:23:24 | saratoga | this reminds me, have we decided what to do with the extra 32KB of IRAM on the PP502X yet? |
| 23:23:27 | kkurbjun | oops, I forgot my code :) |
| 23:23:27 | jhMikeS | because I'm removing those sections entirely and placing the "i" sections inside the analagous dram sections |
| 23:23:33 | saratoga | i'd very much like to have some of it for codecs |
| 23:24:27 | kkurbjun | jhmikes, I need a way to tell the end of all of the code on the F so that I can continue to take care of the proper start address in crt0.s |
| 23:24:39 | linuxstb | ajkessel: This is where people write their experiences with Apple accessories - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories |
| 23:24:46 | kkurbjun | so iram end just has to point to the end of the initialized data/code |
| 23:25:53 | linuxstb | saratoga: BTW, did you see my last post about the Clip in the forums? Looking at the firmware, there seems to be more RAM than just the 320KB the datasheet mentions... |
| 23:26:04 | kkurbjun | jhMikeS: so icode is going in .text etc? |
| 23:26:33 | ajkessel | linuxstb: thanks for the pointer. According to that page, the dock should work for audio out, but it doesn't seem to work for me (either for this iPod model or the current RB release). Should I file a bug, or is there anything else you might recommend I test to troubleshoot? |
| 23:26:39 | kkurbjun | if you get rid of the iram sections I'm assuming that you can just put _iramend in .data |
| 23:26:53 | kkurbjun | assuming that is the end of the stuff that needs to be copied to run |
| 23:26:55 | jhMikeS | kkurbjun: yes |
| 23:26:59 | linuxstb | ajkessel: No, there's no need for a bug report - we know Rockbox doesn't work with Apple accessories... |
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| 23:27:26 | jhMikeS | i just threw a label in after the last initialized ram |
| 23:27:36 | kkurbjun | if you put .icode in .text and .irodata in .rodata and .idata in .data _iramend can be placed in .data |
| 23:27:50 | kkurbjun | assuming you don't move the sections around |
| 23:28:12 | jhMikeS | that's sort of what happened but I renamed it because it's not that :) |
| 23:28:22 | kkurbjun | :), sounds good |
| 23:28:45 | saratoga | linuxstb: IIRC the memory controller can remap things all over the address space |
| 23:28:49 | saratoga | are you sure you're not seeing that? |
| 23:28:59 | saratoga | let me dig out the datasheet |
| 23:29:13 | linuxstb | I don't think so - the whole of the 320KB address space starting at 0x0 seems to be being used, plus some further RAM at 0x30000000 |
| 23:29:41 | Llorean | Is there a spot in the logs where I can see why we removed support for older musepack stream versions? |
| 23:29:51 | jhMikeS | seems to work |
| 23:30:12 | kkurbjun | jhMikeS: if you commit it I'll double check it in flash |
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| 23:30:43 | saratoga | hmm that is the SDRAM then |
| 23:30:58 | linuxstb | That's what I thought... But the photos don't seem to show any. |
| 23:31:09 | Llorean | Buschel: You around? |
| 23:31:27 | Buschel | Llorean: I asked whether it is ok. 1st: I guess I am the only one who has such, 2nd: when switching to the sv8-library it is not supported anymore at all |
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| 23:31:50 | Llorean | Buschel: Ah, so it was necessary if we wanted to upgrade cleanly to current musepack code? |
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| 23:32:03 | Llorean | Or at least, "it would require a lot of work to preserve it"? |
| 23:32:27 | linuxstb | saratoga: Do you own a v2 device, or are you just curious? |
| 23:32:48 | saratoga | linuxstb: just curious, but thinking of picking one up since they're cheap |
| 23:33:25 | Buschel | Llorean: sv4 to sv6 were made long before musepack became somehow popular. if users complain it can be easily switched on (svn-version). i am not quite sure about the sv8-decoder. |
| 23:33:38 | kkurbjun | saratoga: what I was getting at just to sum it up is that we need to be forward thinking of our consequences to the code for future targets, Just because we have say 3 targets with different sizes of IRAM now doesn't mean that in the future we won't have 50, so it would be in our benefit to find a way to solve the problem in a fashion that can work with any number of different size IRAM's. |
| 23:34:02 | Llorean | Buschel: I was just curious. It seems unlikely people use it, but it somehow just feels "wrong" to be removing supported formats. :) |
| 23:34:40 | kkurbjun | That's why I made the suggestion I did based on your proposal. |
| 23:34:48 | ajkessel | linuxstb: is it even worth updating the wiki? Will that help? I registered and tried to edit the IpodAccessories page to reflect my experience but it says "Access check on Main.IpodAccessories failed. Action "change": access not allowed on web." |
| 23:35:00 | saratoga | linuxstb: the memory controller says it supports "Asynchronous static memory device support including RAM, ROM, and Flash" |
| 23:35:06 | mcuelenaere | kkurbjun: could you check dma-creativezvm.c if I made any mistakes on the 32-byte checking if you have some time? |
| 23:35:08 | saratoga | maybe that space is memory mapped FLASH rom? |
| 23:35:14 | linuxstb | ajkessel: What is your Wiki name? You need to have write access granted (I can do it). |
| 23:35:41 | saratoga | kkurbjun: I don't really understand why we can't just expand teh current IRAM defines to include size |
| 23:35:52 | saratoga | that should be perfectly scalable to targets with MBs worth of IRAM |
| 23:35:59 | jhMikeS | kkurbjun: doing the F/X and S while I'm at it but it should be ready soon |
| 23:36:16 | linuxstb | ajkessel: Try again now (I guessed your name...) |
| 23:36:23 | kkurbjun | mcuelenaere: I'll check it out when I get a chance. I don't think the dm320 code is working on the m:robe 500 at the moment, so I don't know if I'll have a target to check with |
| 23:36:41 | linuxstb | saratoga: Do you have a link to that new nvidia chip you mentioned? |
| 23:37:14 | Buschel | hmm, "study mode" is a major change? |
| 23:37:21 | saratoga | linuxstb: http://www.nvidia.com/object/hh_compare.html |
| 23:37:24 | kkurbjun | saratoga: but what if there are targets that come in that have sizes of iram that are inbetween what we already have, we would have to go back and reevaluate the defines so that we can take advantage of all of their memory. |
| 23:37:25 | mcuelenaere | kkurbjun: how do you mean the dm320 isn't working on the m:robe 500? did I break it? |
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| 23:38:06 | kkurbjun | mcuelenaere: no, I don't think so, I believe it was broken on the 500 before, I havn't tried it in a while though since I've been trying to finish flash on the gigabeat |
| 23:38:09 | saratoga | kkurbjun: you'll have to do that anyway |
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| 23:39:29 | kkurbjun | saratoga: if you have priorites for each section that are based on profiling you would have more granularity for control |
| 23:39:45 | ajkessel | linuxstb: Thanks, I updated it. |
| 23:40:06 | saratoga | such priorities would still need to be determined for new CPUs most likely, so I don't see what it gains |
| 23:40:32 | saratoga | you're still going to have to open up each codec and see what needs to be in IRAM most (or what can be added in the case that your new target has more IRAM then any old) |
| 23:40:50 | yeal` | rockbox can play only mpeg2 and mpeg1, what can ipod os play? |
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| 23:41:15 | Llorean | yeal`: Please, stop asking questions about the iPod OS in here. Visit Apple's site, but this channel is for rockbox discussion. |
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| 23:42:10 | saratoga | linuxstb: though technically its embedded DRAM, so its probably not single cycles like SRAM |
| 23:42:15 | Buschel | good night! |
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| 23:43:00 | linuxstb | saratoga: I was about to mention that.... Those aren't DAP SoCs either... |
| 23:43:56 | kkurbjun | saratoga: different architectures is one thing, but different amounts of memory on a similar arch is another, I agree that on a different arch you would likely have to do it, but if that's the case there's another level of complexity that really isn't covered by either proposal. |
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| 23:46:46 | saratoga | linuxstb: i don't think theres much difference between a phone and portable media player SOC |
| 23:46:54 | saratoga | sandisk at least uses one of those in the View |
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| 23:51:49 | saratoga | actually i think the SOC in the gigabeast is mainly aimed at phones, since its got hardware support for cameras, video encoding, encryption stuff |
| 23:52:28 | Llorean | Well, I'm pretty sure the version with the graphics acceleration is used in a few phones, yeah. |
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