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#rockbox log for 2008-05-10

00:00:13fml Ah, ok. And what does 'automatic' mean? Automatically choose between MTP and MSC?
00:00:28BigBambiyes, which on windows = mtp
00:00:38bluebrotherBagder: is the daily build zip without date in the filename always the current one?
00:01:07bluebrotherthere seem to be some daily builds missing for 2008-05-09
00:02:18bluebrotherwhile build-info tells the most recent is 20080509 that file isn't present. But I think it'd be better to always use the current one anyway.
00:04:51Bagderls -l output/*/rockbox-* | wc -l
00:05:01bluebrothersomething is really strange here ... seems I completely broke the http class :(
00:05:04Bagderthe same amount as yesterday and the day before
00:05:50bluebrotherah −− could it be possible that I'm sometimes hitting a mirror that is missing the file?
00:06:05Bagderyes that is certainly a possibility
00:06:34bluebrotherthat explains some things ... if I use haxx instead of download I get that file.
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00:07:37Bagderyou know which mirror?
00:08:41bluebrotherno −− is there a way to tell from the error page?
00:08:56BagderI think so, but I'm not sure
00:09:10Bagderthey are videolan, positive and tbrntech
00:10:27fmlNote to rbutil authors: The OK button in the 'About' dialog is not centered (shifted to the right)
00:10:48bluebrotherit's running Apache/2.2.6
00:10:59bluebrotherI think videolan was lighttp
00:11:36Bagdertbrntech it is
00:12:17bluebrotherjust figured that too. Too slow ... :o
00:13:24*pixelma hates making typos in commit messages :\
00:13:35bluebrotherfml: what platform are you on? Just checked it on my linux box, seems to be nicely centered.
00:14:03*amiconn hates those ever-lagging mirrors
00:14:25amiconnIs there no way to reliably trigger an update of the mirrors?
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00:15:27fmlbluebrother: WinXP
00:15:33Bagderthere are millions of ways, but I want simple
00:15:51preglowbluebrother: do you use a dialogbuttonbox for that?
00:16:11preglowplacement will change from platform to platform according to conventions, if so
00:17:45bluebrotherpreglow: no −− it's a simply pushbutton centered using two spacers
00:18:05bluebrotherbut the size hint of those spacers differs. Could be the reason
00:18:12preglowalmost certainly
00:18:20preglowuse a dialogbuttonbox instead and forget about it :>
00:18:35fmlbluebrother: is there a FM presets package in rbutil?
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00:19:00*preglow doesn't think we should stuff anything imaginable into rbutil
00:20:59bluebrotherfml: no. I thought about it though. But it would require us having a rockbox-themes like backend first.
00:21:23bluebrotherand as I still have enough stuff on my todo this has to wait.
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00:24:53peturpixelma: those were copied from another simple plugin so those faults are probably elsewhere too
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00:25:59fmlIs it just on me or is the screen of c200 really worse than on e200?
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00:26:11pixelmapetur: which one of them? Any idea where you took it from?
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00:26:23peturfire I think
00:26:45pixelmafml: the screen is a different type of lcd (technically) and it's not the nicest
00:26:54amiconnThe c200 has the worst screen of all colour rockbox targets. It's DSTN (i.e. passive matrix), nit TFT like the others
00:27:41pixelmapetur: ok, thanks for the pointer will have a look
00:29:38pixelmalooks like it was dice.tex
00:29:56peturah, could be... sorry
00:30:02*petur kicks brain
00:30:31peturmy tex knowledge is mostly copy paste from other places
00:31:39fmlWasn't database refresh also "disabled" for c200 (like it was for e200)?
00:32:25pixelmafml: it couldn't, because the c200's firmware works differently there
00:33:35fmlpixelma: ah, so it's normal that the database is refreshed every time I use USB?
00:34:17pixelmathe e200s shut off after disconnecting USB and refresh on next start of the OF if a certain bit is set. The c200's firmware immediately starts refreshing the database after unplugging from USB so Rockbox doesn't have a chance to interrupt that
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00:36:00pixelmafml: yes, but you can at least make it shorter if you don't care about not being able to find that music in the OF (just write protect the OF'S "system" folder, the OF will try to refresh but soon gives up) or use a Rockbox USB build
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00:41:50fmlpixelma: thanks for the tipp! Now I get the message "Not enough space..." Is it ok? And how can I get rid of the tmp dir?
00:43:50pixelmayes, that message is normal for the system folder trick. IIRC you could delete every OF file on disk but it will recreate the folders at next USB connect (those will be empty I think, didn't try myself yet)
00:44:33fmlI tried to make it hidden but that didn't help
00:45:00fmlHe-he, I didn't expect that c200 also has radio!
00:45:18pixelmaseems all have
00:46:12fmlI mean, some e200 have and the others do not
00:48:06fmlJust installed the MySimple WPS from on Sansa c250 and it looks very nice (with nimbus12)!
00:49:18*pixelma sighs at pluginlib actions once more, just wanted to look up button definitions to mention them in the manual and now have to look for them in 3 places...
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00:49:37fmlNext song info isn't shown but the progress bar is exactly at the bottom.
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00:51:44pixelmaI even think that the built-in text only WPS doesn't look that bad with a nice font (e.g. nimbus 10)
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00:53:57fmlI use that WPS without any changes on three different daps and it looks nice every where. I can even vary fonts (not on c200) and it still fits!
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01:01:57*DerPapst doesn't like the nimbus set at all :-P
01:02:25fmlWhat do you like then?
01:03:32DerPapstthinner sans serif fonts
01:03:39DerPapstsuch as the helvetica ones
01:03:56DerPapstor ter-u*
01:04:23DerPapstnimbus is too bold for my taste :-)
01:04:56amiconnImho the nimbus fonts are the only nicely readable ones for >= 10 px
01:05:12pixelmaeuh, those skinny helv fonts that are used as default (and lacking quite a lot of characters except in the "helv12")
01:06:19DerPapstwell missing chars is another story...
01:06:58DerPapstbut (luckily) tasts are different :-)
01:10:24fmlpixelma: I've managed to hide the tmp folder. I made it system.
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01:40:19steelmanhello everyone
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01:56:28steelmandoes anyone know if rockbox could support ordinary Zen (not vision, not v plus, not anything)
01:56:57steelmani mean if it is feasible to port rb to this device?
01:57:01DerPapstcould soupport yes. it someone ports rockbox to it
01:58:07DerPapstif it isn't heavily protected with some obscure decryption stuff... maybe.
01:59:34DerPapsthave you seen
01:59:41steelmannot yet
02:01:32steelmanok I'll read some more in the morning, thanks a lot for now bye.
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02:24:24DerPapst"please hold the line."
02:28:11*DerPapst wonders how long caramel is going to hold said line...
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03:57:08raulhok, i've got a question.
03:57:21raulhdoes rockbox lock files? (hides) them?
03:57:33raulhbecuase my ipods root folder has a 56456+ folder with my music
03:57:45raulhbut forsome reason there invisible when i open the folders
03:57:47raulhis it rockbox
03:57:51raulhor my ipods firmware
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04:00:10raulhis anyone there :
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04:02:40advcomp2019raulh, yes there is people here
04:04:02raulhk can someone help me then?
04:04:14raulhdoes rock box lock up music files
04:04:21raulhor is it apples firmware
04:05:41advcomp2019since i do not have an ipod, i do not know, but i will think no
04:05:55raulhmy files in a folde rin the root drive
04:05:59raulhi cant see them
04:06:01raulhthey're invisible
04:06:03advcomp2019what kind of files are they?
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04:09:11raulhthnks for your help..?
04:09:15advcomp2019you use the "Files" or "Database"?
04:09:55raulhthey're in a folder inside root of ipods drive
04:10:05raulhand i can see all folders for each album ecy
04:10:10raulhbut when i open thoe
04:10:20raulhonly 1 or 2 songs per folder show up
04:10:21raulhor less
04:10:53raulhand i am on linux, and with windows they are also hidden
04:11:14raulhsince i dont have WGA i cant install windows media player witch for some reason finds all the correct files
04:11:54advcomp2019you do not need windows media player to see the files
04:12:06raulhactually i do
04:12:14raulhits the only way it reads the hidden files inside the ipod
04:12:28raulhexploring the files they're hidden
04:12:36raulhi cant think of any other way
04:12:49raulhat the momment im uninstrlaling rockbox to c if thats it if not
04:13:02raulhim going to slaughter ipod's firmware o.o;
04:13:18advcomp2019you know that you can show all files in rockbox?
04:13:49raulhlike i said
04:13:53raulhmy screen is broken
04:14:00raulhand its dead stuck on hold
04:14:14raulhit froze when i was jogging out desert
04:14:18raulhand hiking up a mountain
04:14:25raulhso i like try'd to unblock it
04:14:30raulhwent horribly wrong :o
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04:15:18raulhif you don't know the problem thanks for trying to help.
04:16:06advcomp2019can you stop using the enter key too much.. anyway someone else might be able to help you if you stay in here more
04:16:52raulhits ok ill slaughter the ipods firmware 0.o;
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04:25:06raulhk killing firmware fails..
04:25:12raulhwell thanks for trying :)
04:25:19raulhbest be on my way
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05:02:33StylesOk, I've definitely followed the manuals and looked at the FAQs
05:03:02Styleswhen I do the menu/select thing to supposedly start rockbox on my iPod 30gb video (5.5g) it only loads the default firmware
05:03:05Stylesany advice?
05:04:20Stylesanyone? please?
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05:32:02yeal`will rockbox ipod work on my car ipod connector?
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05:40:38n2aaghey.. anyone have current info on the usability of ogg on a 3g ipod? (a friend of mine has an old one he wants to send me, but I don't want him to waste the effort if it isn't going to play my music)
05:40:50n2aagerr.. vorbis rather, to be precise
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06:09:04yeal`is rockbox better than ipod os?
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06:45:09HiddenShadowI just got a usb charger for my ipod on ebay, i used a volt meter on the port (on the adaptor) and it read 8 volts...would that damage my ipod? I thought usb ports were supposed to be 5volts.
06:45:31HiddenShadowor does the ipod have a volt limiter or something?
06:52:29yeal`the usb charget is not made for ipod?
06:52:54yeal`what company is it
06:54:07yeal`it should be 5 volts
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07:03:16HiddenShadowwell, it says it works with ipod, but not specifically for it
07:04:46HiddenShadowyes, its cheapo brand >.>
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07:10:02HiddenShadowits wierd though, when i put the volt meter in the green led was on (theres a green and red one) and when i put my ipod in the red and the green were on at the same time. (when nothing plugged in, only red is on)
07:10:21HiddenShadowmaybe its doing something else to the voltage :/
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07:41:39XbooXi would like to try the USB support for rockbox with my 5.5G ipod. i came across and it looks like its possible to enable it. but this looks like something that is done before compiling rockbox. if anyone has more info about this please let me know.
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07:50:52hihican someone help me plz
07:51:45advcomp2019hihi, just ask
07:52:15hihiok im using rockbox util for a 5.5g 80g ipod
07:52:19hihiand its says
07:52:23hihicant find ipod
07:52:26hihifor the bootloader
07:52:29hihiany help?
07:52:40hihimy ipod is plugged in and in disk mode
07:53:36advcomp2019can you please do not use the enter that much.. plus are you trying to install rockbox to it then?
07:54:53advcomp2019are you it is a 5.5g and not a 6g
07:55:03XbooXadvcomp2019: just wondering if you got my message about the USB support.
07:55:41advcomp2019XbooX, yea but you have to build your own build with usb enabled
07:55:50hihiim not too sure. i bought the ipod early this year
07:56:16XbooXadvcomp2019: thats not good. lol
07:56:29hihiit doesnt have rounded edges.
07:56:39hihiso im pretty sure its a 5.5g
07:56:42XbooXhihi: is the face all flat or is it curved around the edge?
07:56:56hihi5.5g right?
07:57:19XbooXand it looks like plastic that is panted on the under side?
07:57:43hihiyeah. the problem im having is that it says "no ipods found:
07:58:11homielowehihi: Are you logged in as an administrator?
07:58:14XbooXwhat are you trying to use to get the loader on it?
07:58:52advcomp2019hihi, since i do not know have ipod, i am not sure myself
07:58:53hihiyes. im trying to install rockbox
07:59:13hihiits a 5.5g 80gig ipod.
07:59:26Lloreanhihi: If you bought it this year, it's probably a "Classic"
07:59:36hihiit is a classic
07:59:38Llorean"Classic" is not 5.5G
07:59:46LloreanClassic is 6G, not supported
07:59:56hihifucking gay.
08:00:12hihithanks anyways guys
08:00:22advcomp2019XbooX, there is info somewhere on how to enable usb somewhere.. i do not remember the wiki page
08:00:44XbooXLlorean: do you know how long it takes to make a build for ipod?
08:01:02LloreanDepends on your computer
08:01:07Llorean1.5-8 minutes
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08:01:42XbooXLlorean: do you know where to find a build with USB enabled for a 5.5G?
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08:02:30advcomp2019ok it is on that page you sent earlier on how to enable it
08:03:21hihimy ipod looks like th U2 edition ipod.
08:03:22XbooXadvcomp2019: where is the "makefile"
08:04:02advcomp2019hihi, have you looked at apples serial numbers to find out
08:04:37XbooXhihi: do you have album art on the right side when your listening to music and browsing the menu's?
08:05:36XbooXor does it say what your playing on that side (if your song has no art)?
08:05:42hihii dont know how to get it out of disk mode >.<
08:06:22XbooXdisconnect it from your computer, hold menu and select untill you see the apple logo on the display
08:06:41XbooXmake sure hold is disabled
08:07:44hihioh okay thx
08:08:16hihiat the front screen the album art is at the right.
08:08:39XbooXhave you used ipodwizard on it?
08:08:52XbooXok then you have a 6G
08:08:53hihii dont know what that is...
08:09:08hihidamnit "-_-
08:09:21advcomp2019XbooX, the makefile is in the source code
08:09:58XbooXi waited what, over a year for my 5.5G to work. its worth the wait and im sure it will one day work.
08:10:24hihii hope so.
08:10:32hihithx for the help xD
08:10:36XbooXwould anyone be ever so kind to make a build for me please
08:11:21XbooXdont i need linux if i want to make a build?
08:11:25advcomp2019hihi, look here:
08:12:49advcomp2019XbooX, you can read this, if you have not:
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08:13:55hihiits 6g
08:13:58XbooXyeah lol sept 2006 the 5.5G came out. and when did rockbox and ipod linux start to work on the 80gb..... the second half of last year?
08:13:59hihibye all >.<
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08:21:07LloreanXbooX: Getting the 80gb 5.5G working was a LOT easier than getting the new iPods working will be. Especially since nobody's really interested in working on 'em
08:24:55XbooXLlorean: I know.
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08:27:46joecoolwhat is the maximum hardware sampling rate of the ipod?
08:27:58joecooljust 44.1khz/16bit?
08:28:06joecoolor is it higher
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09:04:53n1shmm, i wonder why flyspray returns an empty page when searching for "all task types"
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09:13:38joecoolhrm.. rockbox seems to have issues keeping up with flac 96khz/24bit on 5.5g ipod 80gb
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09:14:06joecooli shouldn't have too much fragmentation...
09:14:48n1sjoecool: it will use quite a bit of cpu to downsample while needing to buffer much more often...
09:21:34joecoolthe disk read code is still not very optimized yet on 80gb, no?
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09:25:07n1sjoecool: i believe it is reasonably fast but the cpu gets quite a bit more work to do when playing 96kHz/24bit compared to 44.1/16
09:26:06n1smost is probably downsampling but the decode will take more time too, if you have any dsp enabled, disabling that might help
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09:41:52amiconnjoecool: The disk read code is as fine on G5.5/80 as on any other portalplayer based target.
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09:42:38amiconnOnly *writing* very small blocks suffers on them, but that doesn't matter for playback
09:42:47caramelcan anyone help me with patches?
09:43:01caramelive spent HOURS trying to figure this out and nothing i do works
09:43:35n1scaramel: do you have a working build environment?
09:43:38carameli downloaded a custom unsupported too, and it obviously didnt have any patches because none of the patches woked
09:44:03caramelno i cant get cygwin to behave... is there an alternative?
09:44:26n1scaramel: yes, the vmware image, it's usually quite simple to get it going
09:46:24caramelcygwin says its missing this: arm-elf-gcc
09:46:29*amiconn suddenly realised what might cause the remaining runtime penalty of rockbox on portalplayer
09:46:59n1scaramel: did you follow the instructions and installed the packages from the rockbox mirror?
09:47:00amiconnIirc the product brief states that the PP can do ATA DMA, but we don't do that ('cause we don't know how)
09:47:03n1samiconn: oooh
09:47:43amiconnSo buffering is slower in rockbox, and hence the disk is spinning for longer periods
09:47:49carameli dunno it never said to do something like that in the tut im following
09:48:27*joecool hands amiconn a cookie
09:48:28joecoolyou won a cookie!
09:48:48n1scaramel: see step 3
09:49:36joecool.... i'm tired
09:50:08amiconnIn fact it's probably ATA controller setup in general.
09:50:27joecoolooo, this isn't good... errors
09:51:00joecool2 weird artifacts... but who knows, it could just be reznor's doing...
09:51:03amiconnBut DMA would be best, as it would reduce the CPU load for disk access
09:51:22joecooloh no, this is weird
09:51:24joecooland annoying
09:51:29joecooland continuing
09:51:45n1samiconn: that should especially help when the cpu is under a heavy load already, right?
09:51:54caramelhow outdated are these tutorials? none of the things in the tutorial match up with what actually happens
09:52:45joecooli flac'ed up the 96khz/24bit copy of the slip... but it occurred to me that I'm an idiot for not just getting the 44.1khz flac version provided
09:52:55joecoolas rockbox is just gonna downsample anyway
09:53:15joecoolonly have one card in the house that can do 96khz/24bit
09:53:33joecool*sigh* this is what happens when you don't sleep
09:53:38n1scaramel: it is a wiki, you can register and fix it...
09:54:16n1sor just use the vmware thingy
09:54:27caramelbah too much to download
09:59:30caramelBAH HUMDUG
10:00:34amiconnn1s: yes
10:00:53n1swell, that's just great :)
10:02:37amiconnYup - if someone figures out how to do it, that is.
10:03:12n1samiconn: didn't MrH put some info about it in one of his documents?
10:04:45n1sthere's even a patch with 'experimental' dma support for the sansa sd slot
10:04:58amiconnThat's something very different
10:05:18joecoolpatching it may trigger exploding head syndrome
10:05:44*amiconn doesn't even understand how ATA DMA is supposed to work in general, unfortunately
10:10:05amiconnI do understand how a general purpose DMA engine as part of the SoC works. I also understand how ATA PIO modes work.
10:11:37amiconnHowever, I don't understand how ATA DMA allows the *disk* to dma to/from the host's memory, *through* the ATA controller
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10:19:22caramelok so i compiled the thing and it works now
10:19:25caramelbut i cant use make
10:19:35caramelin cgywin i do make and it says command not found
10:20:15linuxstbInstall the "gnu make" package?
10:20:23caramelgod damn it.
10:21:41caramelunder what would i probably find make? devel? or x11?
10:21:43BigBambihow did you compile without make?
10:21:50carameli just did
10:21:56carameland it did it
10:22:16*linuxstb wonders what caramel is compiling
10:22:20BigBambisurely ../tools/configure
10:22:29BigBambiwhich sets up the make file
10:22:37BigBambithen make actually compiles it
10:22:40joecoolwhy do i have the feeling PATH is off..
10:23:05linuxstbcaramel: What gets displayed if you type "echo $PATH" in cygwin?
10:23:19joecooljust make sure the makefile has the right compiler in it... half the time they're wrong when cross-compiling for the ipod
10:23:29joecoolthis speaks from my old experiances with ipodlinux....
10:23:37linuxstbjoecool: Huh? The Rockbox build system sets that up correctly.
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10:24:11joecoollinuxstb: IPODLINUX... you know before rockbox ran on ipod... the land where nothing is automated
10:24:21BigBambijoecool: that is what is for - it builds them all for you, with all necessary patches
10:24:29BigBambijoecool: Yes and this is #ROCKBOX
10:24:33linuxstbjoecool: #rockbox - where we talk about Rockbox....
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10:24:57joecoolis he using, sure doesn't seem like it's working for him
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10:25:21BigBambithe lack of make in cygwin has what to do with cross compilers?
10:25:42*linuxstb still waits for caramel to show us the output of "echo $PATH"
10:25:54BigBambiconfigure doesn't work without the necessary compiler for the chosen build as far as I remember
10:26:04joecool... nevermind, i'm cramming for an exam and my head is fucked, i could just be reading things very wrong
10:26:08joecooldisregard past comments...
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10:29:48JdGordonso are there any objections to the new disktidy UI other than it being a viewer?
10:33:17caramellinuxstb: /opt/sh/bin:/opt/m68k/bin:/opt/arm/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/cygdrive/c/PHP:/cygdrive/c/Program Files/QuickTime/QTSystem/:/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Nmap
10:34:24caramelthats the thing for echo $PATH
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10:37:14caramelsooo yeah
10:37:46linuxstbJdGordon: It just seems overly complex to me in general. I would be happy if it simply deleted everything for all OSes and didn't have any options/config file.
10:38:50linuxstbcaramel: That PATH looks file. So if typing "make" gives you a "command not found" error, then you'll need to find the Cygwin package that installs it. The Rockbox wiki should list all packages you need to install.
10:39:12JdGordonlinuxstb: well, forwhatever reason, some people might not want to remove all the files...
10:39:29linuxstbHas anyone said that?
10:39:36caramelAUUUGH I DID THAT
10:40:06BigBambicaramel: you have clearly missed a package
10:40:35BigBambiThe cygwin guide on the wiki lists all the packages you need to select etc. to get it to work
10:40:53BigBambialthough personally I preferred the VMWare image
10:41:27linuxstbamiconn: For fdisk/formatting functionality on the AJBRv1 (to support large disks), I'm assuming that would need to be in the core, rather than as plugins?
10:41:53amiconnIt can be a plugin
10:42:50amiconnThe first partition would need to be created from the PC anyway, 'cause otherwise you couldn't install rockbox
10:43:17amiconnThe plugin would have to perform the following tasks:
10:44:10amiconn(1) Check the partition table, whether the existing FAT32 partition is within the 128GiB range. Print error message and exit if not.
10:44:39amiconn(2) Create a second primary partition of type "hidden FAT32"
10:44:50amiconn(3) Format the second partition
10:45:10caramelnow im getting subversion errors
10:45:24caramelgcc command not found
10:45:39BigBambiIt sounds like you missed lots of packages
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10:46:28amiconn(4) trigger mounting of the second partition (or simply print a hint to reboot)
10:46:34scorchecaramel: did you install cygwin according to our instructions?
10:47:16GodEaterBigBambi: charging via DC adaptor *appears* to be working on th beast at the moment
10:47:24BigBambiGodEater: good to know
10:47:46GodEaterI made the mistake of trying to copy all my music onto it last night without plugging it in to the mains
10:47:53GodEaterit powered off about halfway through )
10:48:32BigBambidid it power back on ok?
10:49:01GodEaterno - I had to go find the DC adaptor
10:49:06GodEaterthere was no juice left at all
10:49:14BigBambiI meant after plugging in :)
10:49:17GodEateroh yes
10:49:19GodEaterjust fine
10:50:14JdGordonjhMikeS: found a nice cheap mr500 if you wanna help out the port? :D
10:50:54JdGordonactually... wtf? i tihnk it may be a 100! guy says touchscreen, but 5gb and red control?!
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10:52:43caramelyes i installed with the instructions
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10:57:03scorchecaramel: it sure doesnt look like it
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10:58:06amiconnlinuxstb: Btw, it's not only the AJBRv1, but all the HDD based SH1 archoses (i.e. also the Player, FM recorder, and Recorder v2)
11:00:32linuxstbamiconn: Most (maybe all) of the code needed for such a plugin is in ipodpatcher now...
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11:03:30linuxstbBut it hasn't been sufficiently tested, which is why it isn't documented - it's intended to for conversion of ipods to FAT32.
11:04:21linuxstbAnd as I don't know anything about FAT, it would be useful if someone who did could review the code... (plus fix it for 2048-sector ipods...)
11:04:50amiconnAh, yes, there was that idea. Didn't know that the code was already in place...
11:05:01amiconnThe fat specs are in the wiki...
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11:06:02amiconnWell, if the code is already there, I think that feature should be completed, otherwise that code will never see enough testing...
11:06:19linuxstbI think it is completed, just not advertised...
11:06:57*linuxstb goes to check the current state
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11:07:27linuxstbYes, it's implemented - the "−−convert" option
11:07:31amiconnWhat happens if I plug a HFS formatted ipod and tell ipodpatcher to install the rb bootloader?
11:08:04joecoolit will tell you that mac formatted ipods aren't supported
11:08:08joecoolor some crap like that
11:08:36linuxstbYes, it will warn you that Rockbox won't work on a MacPod, but let you proceed anyway (for IPL users using ipodpatcher)
11:09:03amiconnIf the conversion code is in place, I'd expect ipodpatcher to ask whether it should convert to fat32
11:09:18Nico_Plinuxstb: the GigabeatSInstallation page is execellent :)
11:09:29linuxstbYes, that's the intention - once the −−convert option has been tested.
11:09:31amiconn(of course with a big fat WARNING - CONVERSION WILL DELETE ALL DATA CURRENTLY ON THE IPOD)
11:10:04joecoolyou should put something better on to freak people out
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11:10:25joecoolsomething around those lines
11:10:28linuxstbNico_P: Thanks ;)
11:10:35*amiconn wouldn't want to freak people out
11:10:41scorchejoecool: can you please start being constructive?
11:11:13amiconnI have no idea how HFS works internally, but perhaps it would be possible to actually *convert* a HFS partition to FAT32
11:11:28joecool50% constructive... read previous comment, i'll get it up to about 90% for you :P
11:11:40amiconnThere are partitioning tools which are able to do this for VFAT <-> NTFS
11:12:31joecoolamiconn: not possible, researched doing it... it *could* work if you have a ton of free space, just by moving data around the drive
11:12:47joecoolbut you'd need over half free
11:14:14amiconnI'd think that the majority of data blocks could stay where they are
11:14:24joecooli've written scripts to do that on desktop... normally though nowadays i just make images of operating system partitions to quickly manage my systems
11:14:56amiconnScripts won't do - you'd need to manipulate the raw partition contents of course
11:15:07joecoolamiconn: FAT is pretty easy to work with, just blocks with an allocation table, HFS isn't as simple
11:15:29joecoolamiconn: oh my solutions before were to move the data and manipulate the sizes of paritions
11:15:49joecoolshrink down, create new, copy, expand
11:15:52BigBambijoecool: amiconn was talking about conversion
11:16:08scorchehecne why he said “*convert*”
11:16:13amiconnYes, in-place conversion
11:16:49joecoolBigBambi: that is conversion in a sense, still bitwise... not many filesystem converters out there because different filesystems have VERY different structures
11:17:02BigBambiyes, i'm aware of that
11:17:06amiconnI do know that this often needs a little extra space (e.g. when converting to a FAT variant with large clusters, you have to redistribute the file slacks), but the majority of data stays in-place
11:17:09joecoolno dataloss in mine and to a user it looks just like conversion
11:17:20BigBambiHowever, amicon gave the example of VFAT - NTFS directly
11:18:05BigBambijoecool: yes, but either requires over half free, or takes for ever
11:18:09BigBambiwhich is not practical
11:18:20amiconnjoecool: Your method has 2 major drawbacks: (1) it only works if the partition is less than half full. (2) Since it involves copying *all* data, it's dead slow
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11:19:03joecoolamiconn: well.. it could be done with drive almost full, but that's even slower
11:19:09BigBambistupidly slow
11:19:14scorche...and still not practical
11:19:16BigBambiso slow as to be a no go
11:19:32joecoolok, ok... lets look at it another possible way
11:19:47BigBambi...which is what amiconn was doing in the first place...
11:19:49amiconnEven rather old versions of partition magic were able to convert between FAT16, FAT32 and NTFS in all combinations
11:20:15joecoolto go from HFS to FAT you'd just need to generate the allocation table then destroy the HFS data (journaling, superblock... etc)
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11:21:24amiconnjoecool: You might also need to redistribute the file slack space, as I already mentioned. This might involve moving some file data
11:21:29joecoolto go from FAT to HFS, you'd need to generate much more... and it's not documented as well
11:23:36joecoolits just messy, messy... nobody here is going to do it... we shouldn't even be talking about it... i'll go get breakfast
11:24:15caramelok its all compiled. when and how do i add plugins?
11:24:33scorchecaramel: plugins are compiled with the build
11:24:33caramelsorry, i mean patches?
11:24:42scorcheyou add patches before you cimpile
11:25:02caramelok so what do i do to add in the patches?
11:25:18caramelima recompile
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11:26:47amiconnjoecool: Btw, you'd also need to recreate all directories and directory entries
11:26:51caramelok ummmm i dont know i compiled it said its finished but the folder i compiled it in doesnt look like the usual rockbox files i put on my ipod
11:27:21n1scaramel: 'make zip'
11:27:36scorchecaramel: read the link i says all this and more
11:27:58amiconnIt's sure a lot of work, but I know that there are tools (unfortunately not open) that do conversions this way, and it makes sense
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11:36:23caramelbmpresize = album art right?
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11:36:49scorcheno....album art = album art
11:36:58scorchebmp resize = resizing of bmps...
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11:39:09caramelcoatedumm where can i find the rockbox startup .bmp?
11:41:30caramelcoatedlike the pic that shows up when u restart the ipod
11:41:39caramelcoatedwheres that picture file
11:42:33linuxstbYou will then need to look at the "SOURCES" file in that directory, and determine (based on LCD size/depth) which file is used on your device.
11:42:50gevaertscaramelcoated: please use real words
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11:43:18markuntyyy == thank you very much?
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11:45:57BigBambi_PCmarkun: Or maybe thanking three people? thank you, you, and you
11:46:40scorchethank you, you yappers?
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11:52:22caramelcoated1im really comfused. do i install patches, before compiling, before running make, or after compile and make?
11:52:36caramelcoated1the tutorial page is very confusing and not organized properly
11:53:10scorchebefore as i already said...and “make” *is* the compiling
11:53:46caramelcoated1aaugh its not because you do ./compile as a separate action from make!
11:53:54caramelcoated1so they're NOT the same you dont
11:54:10caramelcoated1it goes ../tools/configure
11:54:13caramelcoated1and then you do make
11:54:17caramelcoated1you dont just do make
11:54:32scorchenot compile
11:54:41caramelcoated1DAMN MY DYSLEXIA
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11:54:59caramelcoated1so anyays after compile? or before it?
11:55:01markundamn any dyslexia
11:55:14scorchecaramelcoated: for the third time...before compiling...
11:55:27caramelcoated1SO BEFORE CONFIGURING TOO?
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11:55:43scorchethat doesnt matter
11:55:43markuncaramelcoated1: the patch changes the source code, so if you apply it after compiling the source code it will not do anything
11:56:03markunwell, if the patch changes the configure script than you should apply it before :)
11:56:04fmlHello. Reset A-B markers doesn't seem to work on my sansa e200. I press Power+Play but the markers are still here
11:56:17scorche(but generally before it in case the patch modifies....what he said :)
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11:57:12fmlAnd I would say (after learning the repeat A-B mode) that the recently introduced 'study mode' lost its charme for me!
11:57:16markuncaramelcoated1: which patch do you want to apply?
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11:57:50caramelcoated1the bmpresize
11:58:26caramelcoated1but i cant find album art patch for the life of me
11:58:39Horschtalbum art has long been integrated
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11:59:27Horschtnot bmpresize, though
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12:18:25JdGordonhas anyone got a nano handy?
12:19:19*scorche waits for someone not heading to bed to speak up
12:20:02JdGordondw, found my sisters
12:20:47fmlIs it a feature or a bug that in the A-B- repeat mode, pressing FWD jumps either to the beginning of the song or to the A mark but never to B or to the end of song?
12:21:58JdGordonfreeking marvelous... I cant reproduce this bug at all :'(
12:23:49fmlJdGordon: A-B? I use sansa e200.
12:23:57JdGordonno, a different one
12:24:06JdGordonI dont know about that feature/bug
12:24:13fmlAh, so the thing I'm speaking of is a feature?
12:24:17JdGordonsounds more like a feature though
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14:00:49linuxstbpixelma: I've just read your post about metronome on the c200 being broken and hard to fix because of (I assume) plugin actions. Is anyone in favour of retaining the current method of using plugin actions?
14:03:26preglowi thought it was decided it was a bad idea
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14:05:09linuxstbSo did I, but I just want to check no-one is arguing in favour of keeping them...
14:06:46pixelmasorry, gotta run... there are a few devs who seem to like it (roolku, rasher, TiMiD) but I don't know....
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15:04:46Buschelpreglow: anything speaking against removing sv4-sv6 support from mpc? lots of code can be removed then...
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15:05:24amiconnBuschel: Does it somehow hurt performance if it's left in?
15:06:31Buschelnot really, bin size is about 6KB smaller. also: the actual sv8-decoder (not included into rockbox yet) does not support them either
15:06:48*Buschel think he is the only one who ever owned sv4-sv6 files
15:07:33*amiconn doesn't know anyone who uses musepack at all, but that's probably not representative
15:07:36linuxstbI suppose you could remove it, and then if people complain, restore it...
15:07:56*linuxstb doesn't know anyone who doesn't use mp3...
15:08:14*Buschel doesn't use mp3 ;o)
15:08:28Buschelat least not on my dap
15:08:45*amiconn uses mp3, flac, and a bit of vorbis
15:08:48linuxstbNor do I... Although that may change if I get a 250GB drive for my Archos...
15:09:20Buscheli do own 15GB of mpc and some mp3's and flac's for performance tests
15:10:44*amiconn once tried mpc and vorbis in order to see whether transparent encodings yield lower bitrate on average than when using mp3
15:10:54amiconnThe result was negative
15:11:43Buschelnot for my ears −− but the psymodel is tweaked for my hearing ;o)
15:12:52Buschelin fact rockbox's mpc-support was the reason for buying a dap
15:13:22amiconnAs the main musepack coder, you're certainly biased ;)
15:13:34*amiconn gtg
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15:39:54Xqtftqxhow do i get into gigabeat s channel?
15:42:02linuxstbYou can only access #rockbox using the Rockbox web client.
15:42:23linuxstbSo you need to install a real IRC client.
15:42:43Xqtftqxok thank you very much
15:43:19Xqtftqxwhat port do i use in xchat?
15:45:17linuxstbXqtftqx: For general questions about irc or freenode, try here -
15:46:54Xqtftqxits ok
15:46:57Xqtftqxi got it
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15:53:39Xqtftqxtcan somebody send me the nk.bin file
15:53:41Xqtftqxtfor the gigabeat s
15:57:09linuxstbXqtftqxt: This is an nk.bin built from the current Rockbox source - I haven't tested it though.
15:57:44Xqtftqxtthanks so much!
15:57:50Xqtftqxtill try it
15:57:52Xqtftqxtso wait
15:57:58Xqtftqxtif the switch is off
15:58:05Xqtftqxtit wont format the drive?
15:58:23linuxstbWhat do you mean? Which switch?
15:58:39Xqtftqxton the bottom
15:58:49XqtftqxtON and OFF
15:58:51linuxstbThe battery switch?
15:58:57Xqtftqxtif i plug it in
15:58:59Xqtftqxtand patch
15:59:06Xqtftqxtwill it format the hard drive?
15:59:15Xqtftqxtahh nvm
15:59:18Xqtftqxtive got a backup anyway
15:59:22Xqtftqxtok well thank you so much
15:59:28Xqtftqxti owe u one
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16:12:55Xqtftqxlinuxstb you mthere?
16:13:10Xqtftqxyou there*
16:15:37XqtftqxCan anybody help me out with the S?
16:16:23DerPapstwhat's the problem?
16:16:46Xqtftqxits in its not a problem
16:16:56Xqtftqxim installing rockbox on my gigabeat s
16:17:03Xqtftqxand its in Bootloader mode now
16:17:06Xqtftqxwhat do i do?
16:17:16Xqtftqxi have to transfer the rockbox stuff right?
16:17:32Xqtftqxwhich ones
16:17:35Xqtftqxim confused
16:17:43Xqtftqxi put .rockbox dir from the wiki on there
16:17:46Xqtftqxunplugged usb
16:17:49Xqtftqxand it says
16:17:52Xqtftqx"File not found"
16:18:08DerPapstyou're in rockbox' bootloader right now?
16:18:14Xqtftqxit says
16:18:18Xqtftqx"Bootloader USB mode"
16:18:43Xqtftqxi found the TFAT partion
16:18:48Xqtftqxand put the rockbox dir on there
16:18:50Xqtftqxso its like
16:18:52DerPapstjust a quick note, please put more words in one line and ise less newlines
16:19:13linuxstbXqtftqx: Did you read the GigabeatSInstallation wiki page?
16:19:45linuxstbWhich TFAT partition did you extract the file to?
16:19:54Xqtftqxthe bigger one
16:20:17linuxstbSo at the top-level of that drive, you have a new folder called ".rockbox", and inside there a file called "rockbox.gigabeat" ?
16:20:18DerPapstooohh.. an new page..
16:20:38linuxstbThen you may have hit the same problem others have had....
16:20:49Xqtftqxwhat do i do?
16:21:08linuxstbFor an as yet unknown reason, the bootloader fails to find the rockbox.gigabeat file, even though it's there.
16:21:40linuxstbIt happened to me, and I just kept trying, using recovery mode to restore the original firmware, and doing the bootloader install again. It then suddenly worked...
16:21:55Xqtftqxill try
16:22:01DerPapstmaybe put a rockbox tar on the device?
16:22:08DerPapstmaybe the bootloader finds that one
16:22:14XqtftqxIt works
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16:22:35Xqtftqxand it stopped
16:22:38Xqtftqxi unplugged the ac
16:22:40Xqtftqxand it reset
16:22:48Xqtftqxcause i forgot to flipp back the switch
16:22:57Xqtftqxand now its doing the install again
16:22:57DerPapstless newlines *cough*
16:23:31Xqtftqxrockbox looks nice on this
16:23:36Xqtftqxit did for like 2 seconds
16:23:39Xqtftqxthen it reset
16:23:42Xqtftqxill do the install again
16:23:48DerPapstplease. stop it
16:24:18DerPapstuse the return button less often.
16:24:35Xqtftqxoh sorry, im used to im windows.
16:25:12XqtftqxOk it works now
16:25:53Xqtftqxno more dang MTP! its the best day ever!
16:26:49XqtftqxThank you so much everybody
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16:32:47xqtftqxive got anthor problem, whenever i turn off the player, it goes to the firmware upgrade thing
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16:34:35loaderxMy sansa e200 has no space left, and now rockbox is stuck at the loading screen
16:35:20loaderxi was recording, and didnt realize my disk was full
16:35:35curtmackQuestion, I tried following the instructions on PluginMpegplayer for encoding with mencoder (for iRivier H10 20G if that helps), but the resulting video has a few problems
16:36:09curtmacka) it freezes and then skips ahead at random points
16:36:17curtmackeven when played on my computer
16:36:36curtmackb) there's a very noticeable audio desynch
16:36:56*DerPapst has the same problems and gave up back then... :P
16:37:30DerPapstloaderx: reset the e200 and throw some stuff off?
16:37:40curtmackalso, when I try setting the FPS to 39, mencoder just says mpeg2 doesn't support 39 FPS
16:37:57loaderxderpast I tried that
16:38:02loaderxstill stuck
16:38:40DerPapstcan't you connect it to your pc before resetting? this way it should go into the OFs disk mode
16:39:01loaderxit refreshes the database
16:39:04DerPapstcurtmack: why 39FPS? aren't 25 enough?
16:39:14loaderxbut then it says not enough space
16:39:32DerPapstand it just gives up?
16:39:40DerPapstpoor design of sandig!
16:40:23curtmacklooking at the table on PluginMpegplaer
16:40:29xqtftqxcan anybody help with my problem, my gigabeat one reboot without showing the firmware upgrade screen
16:40:59curtmackit suggests a framerate of 39 FPS for a 4:3 video
16:41:02DerPapstloaderx: i'm not too familiar with the e200 (though i have one).. maybe you can access the drive in some recoverymode
16:41:08loaderxI managed to get the sansa in usb mode, and I deleted 80MB of stuff
16:41:17curtmackshould I try 25?
16:41:31DerPapstcurtmack: worth a try
16:41:38loaderxbut rockbox is still freezes and it says loading
16:41:53curtmackhave you tried booting into the original firmware?
16:43:21loaderxdo I need to reinstall rockbox?
16:45:48xqtftqxCan anybody help me out!
16:46:22*DerPapst doesn't know
16:46:51loaderxcan rockbox add a disk full protection
16:47:12curtmacksetting the framerate to 25 just introduced a ton of visual artefacts :P
16:47:56DerPapstmaybe try this NTSC rate... frames
16:47:56loaderxuse 30
16:48:41curtmackwait a second
16:50:27curtmackI wonder if the desynch exists in the original mpegs that I converted from FLVs...
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16:50:43curtmackit occurs to me I never checked
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16:52:40curtmackbut that doesn't seem to be the problem
16:53:04curtmacknor did setting the framerate to 30 help
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16:54:26linuxstbxqtftqx: If your gigabeat wants to restore itself, you need to let it... You'll need to upload a nk.bin at the end of the process to finish the recovery.
16:54:38xqtftqxi did
16:54:41xqtftqxand rockbox loads
16:54:45xqtftqxthen if i turn it off
16:54:48xqtftqxand turn it back on
16:54:53xqtftqxit says firmware upgrade
16:54:58xqtftqxand i supposed to just wait?
16:55:02linuxstbHow are you turning it off?
16:55:18xqtftqxthe power buttom
16:55:22xqtftqxjust holding it down
16:55:38xqtftqxand it says "shutting down" then if i turn it on again it says
16:55:46xqtftqx"firmware upgrade and restore" please wait
16:56:18xqtftqxhow can i fix this?
16:56:20linuxstbWhen you install Rockbox, are you making any changes to the disk layout (partition table etc)?
16:56:29xqtftqxi didnt
16:56:37xqtftqxwhat do you mean
16:56:49xqtftqxi ran the patched v updater
16:56:57xqtftqxand put the rockbox dir on there
16:56:59xqtftqxthats it
16:57:01linuxstbOK, I've no idea about that, I just use sendfirm.
16:57:05xqtftqxnothing more nothing less
16:57:09xqtftqxim not under linux
16:57:26xqtftqxcan i send it via a cywig session?
16:57:47xqtftqxcan i open a vm
16:57:58xqtftqxand from there sync the usb ports then send it?
16:58:00linuxstbMaybe, but your vm would need low-level USB access.
16:58:24xqtftqxwhat the free Wmware do it?
16:59:02linuxstbI don't know, I use native Linux.
16:59:13xqtftqxwhich version?
16:59:16xqtftqxcan i use a live cd?
17:00:08xqtftqxso wait
17:00:14xqtftqxi but it into recovery mode?
17:00:20xqtftqxor just let it sit and do sendfirm
17:01:44xqtftqxcan you send me the compiled sendfirm utilitie?
17:03:20xqtftqxHello, are you there?
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17:12:58xqtftqxanybody here!!!
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17:38:52*kugel just got a weird error while compiling the sim
17:38:57kugel"chmod: changing permissions of `/home/diablo/share/rbdev/rockbox_pictureflow/sim/apps/codecs/vorbis.codec': Operation not permitted"
17:39:31gevaertsdid you compile as root the previous time ?
17:39:43kugelno, it's a clean svn
17:40:08kugelI checked that file, it's user and group match my username
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17:43:01xqtftqxcan anybody help me with this problem ive bean having
17:43:31xqtftqxor send me a compiled sendfirm
17:43:57bertrikxqtftqx: sorry I can't help you, I tried to compile sendfirm but I don't have libmtp installed
17:44:10xqtftqxcan you download it?
17:44:12BigBambi_PCxqtftqx: Could you concisly, without using the enter key as punctuation, outline the problem? I couldn't really follow you before?
17:44:33BigBambi_PCI can upload a sendfirm if necessary
17:45:59xqtftqxok, ive downloaded the patched V updater, put the compiled nk.bin file in there, ran the install.bat, it entered usb bootloader mode, then i out the .rockbox dir in there, rockbox booted, i turned off the player, and when i turned it on, i got the Firmware Upgrade Screen.
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17:46:24BigBambi_PCxqtftqx: and you are using linux or windows?
17:46:38xqtftqxi can switch
17:46:47xqtftqxwindows perferably
17:46:53BigBambi_PCok, well linux for sendfirm :)
17:47:04xqtftqxok i switch
17:47:11xqtftqxsend the file
17:47:21xqtftqxill move it over to me linux computer
17:48:25xqtftqxk thank you
17:48:30BigBambi_PCno problem
17:48:30xqtftqxill try
17:48:39xqtftqxBe Back in a sec
17:52:06xqtftqxi but it in a directory
17:52:37xqtftqxand used Xshell to go into that dir, and i type "sendfirm nk.bin" and it says "Bash File Not Found"
17:52:57BigBambi_PCchmod + x ./sendfirm
17:52:58DerPapst"./sendfirm nk.bin"
17:53:06BigBambi_PCthen ./sendfiirm nk.bin
17:53:38xqtftqxwhat do i replace x with?
17:53:50xqtftqxit says
17:53:54xqtftqx"x" is not found
17:54:03*gevaerts removes a space
17:54:06BigBambi_PCchmod +x sendfirm
17:54:13BigBambi_PCa space slipped in there :)
17:54:18xqtftqxok ill try that
17:55:24xqtftqxstill not found
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17:55:37BigBambi_PCthen did you do ./sendfirm nk.bin
17:55:53xqtftqxhold on ill try something out
17:55:58DerPapstalways add "./" infront of sendfirm
17:58:15xqtftqxerror while loading shared libraries
17:58:29BigBambi_PCyou need to hqve libmtp instqlled :)
17:58:36BigBambi_PCwhich distribution?
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17:59:00xqtftqxlol, ummm how can i install via command line?
17:59:28BigBambi_PCDo you know what linux you are using? Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora....
18:00:10BigBambi_PCtype "uname -a" in the terminal
18:00:30BigBambi_PCsorry, I didn't mean that
18:01:57BigBambi_PCso as root, run "apt-get install libmtp7
18:04:08xqtftqxChould Not find packadge
18:05:42gevaertsxqtftqx: try downloading the sendfirm from gevaerts/sendfirm">
18:06:03gevaertsIt's compiled statically, so it should work without having libmtp installed
18:06:28BigBambi_PCgevaerts: cheers
18:06:42BigBambi_PCxqtftqx: out of interest, which version of debian?
18:07:07xqtftqxim gonna see if i can tweak rockbox
18:07:09BigBambi_PC"cat /etc/*-release"
18:07:12xqtftqxto not do this
18:07:14BigBambi_PCand please use full words
18:07:20BigBambi_PCto not do what?
18:07:39xqtftqxshow the firmware upgrade screen whenever i reset the device
18:08:08BigBambi_PCgood luck
18:08:23xqtftqxcan i boot from a ubuntu cd and flash the firmware?
18:08:38BigBambi_PCyou don't want to flash anything
18:08:53xqtftqxwell wait
18:08:56xqtftqxit rebooted!
18:08:58BigBambi_PCbut yes, I assume the live cd works well enough to upload the firmware
18:09:00xqtftqxi may have done it
18:09:23xqtftqxon the small partion
18:09:29xqtftqxi see eboot and recovery
18:09:37xqtftqxisnt there supposed to be a nk.bin
18:10:03krazykitxqtftqx, please put complete thoughts on one line; don't use the enter key as punctuation
18:10:14xqtftqxits not there, and sorry
18:10:17BigBambi_PCkrazykit: this has been mentioned a few times :/
18:10:56BigBambi_PCxqtftqx: nk.bin is the firmware, are you telling us it booted without it?
18:11:02xqtftqxi know, im just crazy, im used to the enter key alot, ill try not to press it as much
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18:11:10xqtftqxtheres no nk.bin on the device
18:13:59BigBambi_PCxqtftqx: and you are looking at in via Rockbox bootloader USB?
18:15:11xqtftqxi can load rockbox
18:15:17xqtftqxbut after i turn off my device
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18:15:34xqtftqxi get the firmware upgrade screen, but rockbox is still there
18:15:46BigBambi_PCthen I don't understand. Rockbox usb bootloader mode is within nk.bin
18:15:59xqtftqxi know
18:16:02xqtftqxits wierd
18:19:03xqtftqxBigBambi can you rebuild nk.bin for me? i can try that
18:19:58BigBambi_PCwith another / of course
18:20:20Horschtiis there a list of event numbers?
18:20:39Horschtiyesterday I got an error "PANIC! event 257 not found"
18:22:43xqtftqxOk its installing, lets hope this one works
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18:23:39xqtftqxthats the one for the orginal firmware
18:23:45xqtftqxi ment the rockbox one
18:24:15xqtftqxits working!!!!!!
18:24:16BigBambi_PCxqtftqx: no, that is a dual boot one
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18:24:30xqtftqxi had the single boot one
18:24:42xqtftqxthanks so much!!!
18:25:05BigBambi_PCno problem
18:25:19xqtftqxIts awsome thanks
18:25:28GodEater_easy on the ! key too
18:25:43xqtftqxsorry, im very happy
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18:26:25xqtftqxOk, thanks very much
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19:00:30BlackShuckAnyone know if Sony NW-A3000 is supported by Rockbox? The Sony firmware sucks badly.
19:01:08*bertrik spots no sony in the supported targets table
19:01:43*BlackShuck looked in supported, unsupported, inactive lists, and came up with nothing
19:01:56gevaertsThat's a good hint :)
19:02:11*BlackShuck thought he might get a straigh answer in IRC, rather than bitching..
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19:19:42n2aaghey.. anyone have current info on the usability of ogg on a 3g ipod? (a friend of mine has an old one he wants to send me, but I don't want him to waste the effort if it isn't going to play my music)
19:19:55n2aagerr.. vorbis rather, to be precise
19:20:35DerPapstiirc it works well on 3G iPods... there is a codec comparison page somewhere on the wiki
19:21:52DerPapstbut i have no idea where this page is
19:22:18*DerPapst is obviously too stupid to search for wiki pages
19:24:04n2aaghmm.. yeah.. I've been having trouble with that..
19:24:30DerPapst but it doesn't list that kind of ipod
19:24:59n2aagthere's one page where there are conflicting reports.. "ogg works fine", and then, separately, "buffer underuns"
19:25:22n2aagI'm going to give it a shot and have him send it. worst-case scenario it's another external hard drive
19:25:33DerPapsti have no oggs myself, otherwise i could tell
19:26:12bertrikI play oggs (on a sansa e260) and I have no problem with them whatsoever
19:26:44DerPapstpp502X > pp5002
19:26:45n2aagalso planning to get an ipod mini 2g with a dead microdrive, though, and replace the microdrive with a 32GB CF.. that should at least carry all of my psytrance and electro-house
19:27:57n2aagbertrik: it's good to know that the sansa ports have come along.. last I checked (2 years back probably), the status was "SanDisk wants us to do a port, but hasn't supplied any resources"
19:27:57DerPapstthe pp5002 (3G) is "weaker" then the pp502X series (e200)
19:28:08n2aagthat I'm aware of
19:28:28n2aagand for a while it was a question of whether or not the ogg decoder could be sufficiently optimized to run on pp5002
19:28:47bertrikok, sorry, wasn't aware of that
19:29:05n2aagnothing to be sorry about
19:29:17DerPapstiirc amiconn has some on his 2G iPod
19:30:14*n2aag has fun optimizing algorithms on occasion..
19:30:53*DerPapst waits for n2aag to optimize the OGG decoder
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19:32:43n2aagit's always fun to see how much you can keep in the registers and avoid reading/writing from/to RAM
19:33:19*DerPapst wants n2aag to join rockbox development
19:33:46bertrikn2aag: if you spot something that can be optimised, I think you'll be welcome to do so
19:33:49n2aagonce I get some sort of device, I just might :>
19:34:03bertrikI don't know how much optimisation effort went into the various codecs already
19:35:26n2aagI do like the monolithic nature of rockbox.. certainly appropriate for DAPs and it must simplify the build system tremendously
19:37:15DerPapstwell, there're still the plugins and codecs which aren't compiled in.
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19:40:03n2aagwell.. I should probably do some real work today. off to library to study for the last of my exams. thanks for the info DerPapst, bertrik
19:40:18DerPapstyou're welcome :-)
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19:41:23saratogai would expect ogg to run quite well on the pp5002
19:41:43saratogaits well optimized, and makes good use of IRAM which is the main requirement for good 5002 performance
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19:42:16DerPapstgood to know ;-)
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20:02:54Buschelpreglow: you there?
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20:12:33Darkneoare there any pictures of rockbox in use?
20:14:56gevaertsThe manual contains screenshots, if that's what you mean
20:16:30Buschelgevearts: btw, I've enabled your USB-code on my 5.5G yesterday. still works unstable here.. but: when it works I get transfer rates about 5000KB/sec :o) (w2k via hub)
20:18:48*Buschel is having a hard time with someone else's seeking code for musepack :/
20:19:04gevaertsUnstable in what way ? Hubs, random chance, ... ?
20:20:05Buschelgevearts: hangups of the explorer for some time. these can take some while −− during these hangups the transfers are stopped
20:20:23Buschelgevearts: did not test without the hub yet
20:20:44Buschelgevaerts: reading worked far better than writing
20:20:54gevaertsok, then it's probably the same sort of hub issue that amiconn is seeing
20:21:06Buschelit's a non powered hub
20:22:06gevaertsThat shouldn't make a difference, except that windows is actually not allowed to enumerate it then :) (we ask for (but don't use) 500mA, which an unpowered hub can't provide)
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21:01:15Overandi just loaded a theme that loaded a corrupted or nonexistent font
21:01:29Overandanyone want to help me nav the menus?
21:02:23Overandoh jeez
21:02:27Overandi need to take a photo of this
21:02:29Overandit's impressive
21:02:37soapmore likely it set the font color to the same color as your background. What device are you experiencing this problem on?
21:02:50soapOr are you actually seeing characters, just jumbled?
21:03:39OverandiPod 5G
21:03:43Overandbuild from a night or two ago
21:03:55Overandim'm on a train, heh - gettign the photo clear is going to be tough
21:04:04Overandi have what look like random noise blocks for text
21:04:25linuxstbYou can clear your settings by turning on the hold switch as soon as the backlight comes on after rebooting your ipod.
21:04:48soapYou can reset the settings by rebooting, and after the apple logo, during the bootloader, but before rockbox starts flipping the hold switch to the on (red) position.
21:04:57Overandki'm going to see if a reboot does it
21:05:12Overand... "please wait, very low battery"
21:05:20Overandintersting - my last shutdown apparently wasn't an actual shutdown
21:06:06OverandI charged this up last night, booted into rockbox, held 'play' - and now its in low-battery-mode
21:06:27Overandso much for 'bring the ipod along for the 8 hour train ride' =]
21:06:31soapyou mean apple's pretty icon of a depleted battery?
21:06:38Overandsoap: yeah
21:06:48soapThat is an Apple bug, force a reset.
21:06:50OverandOF stuff, i know
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21:06:57Overandam doing sdo
21:07:15Overandhaven' seen that one before
21:10:56Overandseems to happen if i load a theme, then load a second theme with a font file that's not present
21:11:03Overandbut not if i load the theme with hte missing font first
21:13:04soapWhat is the symptom? No font or garbled font?
21:13:16kkurbjunjhMikes, I found the line that removes almost all of the power consumption on the gigabeat F
21:13:31markunkkurbjun: what was it?
21:13:47kkurbjunit's in pcm-meg-fx.c
21:13:50Overandgarbled font
21:14:03kkurbjunline 188
21:14:10kkurbjunIISMOD = (1<<9) | (1<<8) | (2<<6) | (1<<3) | (1<<2) | (1<<0);
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21:14:15Overandsoap: i'll upload the photo i took,m but it's UGLY
21:14:23markunOverand: I think I have had the same bug once
21:14:23kkurbjunthat's for the initial power consumption before playback is started
21:14:42kkurbjunthat makes me think that I need to setup some things like the uart which I'm neglecting right now
21:15:19kkurbjunI'm not entirely sure why that would have such an effect on power though..
21:15:36markunOverand: I've put it on my todo, but as with so many things never work on it
21:17:18OverandConsidering I took that just now on a train, and used dcraw / imagemacking on my eeepc blindly and SCIPed it up to my servef over my PCS gismo all while VIBRATING due to america's poor trail system, not too bad
21:18:20soapStop making excuses for your poor composition. You need to learn about proper use of negative space. ;)
21:18:28Overandsoap: heh
21:18:42soapBut yea, that isn't the font issue I had a solution for. markun it is.
21:19:10OverandI'm semi-willing to test builds.
21:19:29OverandIt's 3:19 EST and I'm on this train 'til 10:00 EST
21:20:09OverandBut I absolitely cannot submit patches, due to... you know, sucking at programming (;
21:20:37OverandI can send the theme / wps i was using, if that helps, too
21:20:54markunOverand: yes, it looked the same here
21:21:43Overandsexy stuffs.
21:21:51markunkkurbjun: yes, crazy that the power consumtion is so high
21:21:54OverandI should look at the new themes and hack on my personal rev of 'kelp' some more
21:22:17kkurbjunmarkun, do you know much about the pcm DMA stuff?
21:22:31markunno, not really
21:22:45markunwhat about it?
21:23:14kkurbjunwell, I wanted to know if there was a way the code could be rearranged so that some of this initialization stuff happens on startup
21:24:21kkurbjunI'm not familiar with it though.. I guess I'll wait till jhMikes comes around so I can ask him
21:25:09markunkkurbjun: some of the other drivers have a audiohw_init function
21:25:18markunah, no
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21:40:03Xqtftqxhas anybody got doom running ont he gigabeat s?
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21:41:39yeal`i did a sync in itunes with my ipod, and i have a local library for 5161 songs, but my ipod shows only 5145 songs. I do not understand
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21:44:17kkurbjunmarkun, I just committed a fix for high power at startup on the F
21:44:31yeal`i guess it is duplicates
21:44:47kkurbjunit seems that the IIS registers don't respond to modification without a clock present to the submodule
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21:46:34kkurbjunI don't know how the I2S interface works exactly, but it appeared that this was caused by contention possibly..
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21:56:36krazykityeal`, perhaps some of your songs were purchased from itunes with DRM?
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22:04:25jhMikeSkkurbjun: I don't exacly recall what that turns on. Which part of it is messed?
22:06:53kkurbjunjhmikes, I committed the fix
22:07:07kkurbjunI think that the problems was in the dma_init stuff
22:07:24kkurbjunthe IIS config registers were being changed whithout aclock
22:07:32kkurbjunand I think there was contention on the IIS pins
22:08:04jhMikeSah, it's need to be setup earlier
22:08:13kkurbjunI double checked to see if it was caused by the IIS pins changing to function pins and when they were left as inputs they didn't show the high consumption
22:08:42kkurbjunso I think the idle bit was actually not taking effect till the clock was fed to the IIS interface
22:08:43jhMikeSso it's setup before setting the codec to master mode?
22:09:02kkurbjunstrange thing is that if you setup the IIs interface without a clock and then enable it later it doesn't work
22:09:29kkurbjunhmm, I don't know about that, I'm not familiar with the codec code
22:10:08kkurbjunI think the power would still be low if you wrote in the slave bit with the clock enabled
22:10:12jhMikeSkkurbjun: it's quite normal to require module clocking in order to write regs and have them take effect internally
22:10:16kkurbjunjust the slave bit that is
22:10:29kkurbjunyep, it seemed reasonable to me
22:10:52kkurbjunI don't see how all the logic would work without a clock :-D
22:11:27kkurbjunI wouldn't have found it though without the jtag stuff to step through the code
22:11:34kkurbjunremote gdb is nice
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22:15:26jhMikeSthe driver had been like that ever since I first saw it
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22:16:45kkurbjunyeah, no worries, it's not something I think anyone would have suspected to cause such high power
22:17:15jhMikeSgood thing it didn't fry anything come to think of it :)
22:17:28kkurbjunnow I need to figure out why the player is still consuming quite a bit when stopped "properly" :(
22:17:35kkurbjun:-D, yeah definately
22:18:05jhMikeSbtw, will poweroff end up returning? there's no while(1); guard at the end
22:19:07jhMikeSperhaps modules should be stopped first and then unclocked
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22:21:10kkurbjunI think it will return.. I wish I had an idea what module is causing the high power though.. I can't debug when the processor stops - the power consumption is at 40 mA with the proc stopped. Shutting down the modules is a good idea, I'm starting by looking at the pins that are setup as functions to see if I can spot anything with them
22:21:48kkurbjunright now i'm suspecting that there is some contention when powered down since this power seems in the range of the IIS problem
22:24:21jhMikeSI think poweroff throughout the system in general need to be cleaner and drivers shut down. Things are turned on in audiohw_init but not turned off in audiohw_close. likewise for other external switches.
22:25:52jhMikeSwhat happens to GPIO pins in SLEEP mode anyway
22:27:14kkurbjunthey stay in their previous state
22:31:11jhMikeSouch, so then they can leave the HD powered and such?
22:31:37kkurbjunyep, it would be possible
22:32:01kkurbjunlike I said, it's about 40 mA of power
22:32:19kkurbjunthe player is showing 45/46 mA right now idle
22:32:46kkurbjundo you have any idea what might consume that much?
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22:36:36jhMikeSnot off hand other than to start powering off the various bits and see
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22:38:55XqtftqxDoes anybody have doom working on the gigabeat s yet?
22:39:11jhMikeSI'd think it should work now but can't promise an ideal keymap
22:43:54BigBambier, doom?....
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22:44:49jhMikeShmmm, guess not. it freezes at "Initializing Graphics Engine"
22:45:04BigBambinever mind :)
22:45:10*jhMikeS updates the plugin to be sure
22:45:32BigBambiXqtftqx: when it is made to work, it shall be committed and you will see it on the front page
22:45:53BigBambiXavierGr: However, I imagine (and hope!) that is a low priority
22:46:40BigBambisorry, @ Xqtftqx
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22:47:52jhMikeSnope, it really isn't working too well
22:48:43Xqtftqxmy gigabeat is running rockbox now
22:48:48Xqtftqxand its working ok
22:49:02Xqtftqxonly problem is
22:49:05*jhMikeS was talking about doom
22:49:06Xqtftqxto charge
22:49:18Xqtftqxk ill go rebuild the soruce
22:49:21BigBambiXqtftqx: Please STOP using the enter key as punctuation
22:49:37XqtftqxLol, sorry.
22:49:47BigBambiXqtftqx: why? It still doesn't work
22:50:10XqtftqxRockbox works now thanks to you, but doom get stuck at "Starting Graphics Engine"
22:50:14BigBambiXqtftqx: And we know charging doesn't work yet. The port is in an early stage still, and not really suitable for non devs
22:50:33Xqtftqxyeah it whould realy help if it was chargin
22:50:39BigBambiWe know
22:50:52Xqtftqxand BigBambi can you rebuild the MultiBoot nk.bin
22:51:00BigBambino, sorry
22:51:03XqtftqxTheres a upgrade is says
22:51:11*jhMikeS just installed a nuclear pack and doesn't have to charge to the next 15000 yeard
22:51:19BigBambijhMikeS: hehe :)
22:52:01XqtftqxBigBambi how many more days do you think till a official realse?
22:52:03BigBambiXqtftqx: But seriously, it is a port in progress. Until it is official, please don't report lots of bugs - it isn't finished yet
22:52:17BigBambiXqtftqx: that is completely impossible to guess
22:52:29BigBambipeople work on Rockbox in their spare time, as volunteers
22:52:35BigBambiWhen it is done, it will be done
22:52:52XqtftqxIll try to work on it to
22:53:08BigBambiI suggest starting with how to compile
22:53:16Xqtftqxi can compile everything fine
22:53:23BigBambiexcept the bootloader it seems
22:53:31Xqtftqxexept the bootloader, where i get tons of errors
22:53:32BigBambiOr why did you ask me for one?
22:53:40Xqtftqxi did......
22:53:54XqtftqxEarlier Today, you sent me the multiboot one
22:54:03BigBambiI'm aware of this....
22:54:27BigBambiIf you look at the timestamps of those messages, they are 1 second apart, we were clearly typing at the same time
22:54:28XqtftqxOk, but whats the changes i see for the bootloader on the rockbox main site
22:54:35BigBambiJust what they say
22:54:46BigBambiXqtftqx: Please, it isn't ready yet
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22:55:10XqtftqxWhat did i do? I asked you what the changes were
22:55:20BigBambiand I answered...
22:55:33BigBambiThe changes were described in the commit message...
22:55:41XqtftqxAlright Then....
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22:56:18BigBambiXqtftqx: My point is, it is not complete. The developers know what there is left to do, and reporting 'bugs' on unfinished builds is not so useful
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22:56:34XqtftqxHold on, i want you to look at these errors
22:56:44BigBambia please would be nice...
22:57:04mcuelenaereshould 4kB of IRAM be enough for the core, plugins and codecs? (DM320 is the CPU if you're wondering)
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22:58:01kkurbjunmcuelenaere: I don't think it will work with the other targets that use iram
22:58:15kkurbjunthe ipods have quite a bit if I'm thinking straight
22:58:20domonokymcuelenaere: if the cpu/sdram is fast, then rockbox doesnt need much iram.. as far as i know
22:59:36kkurbjunmcuelenaere: I was wondering if that DMA code for the ata driver can be done a little higher up so other dm320 targets can take advantage of it
22:59:50kkurbjunI havn't looked at it in too much depth though..
23:00:35mcuelenaerekkurbjun: what do the other targets have to do with the use of IRAM for the DM320?
23:00:47mcuelenaereand about the ata DMA code, it is not working for me atm :(
23:00:49saratogamcuelenaere: small IRAM targets generally don't use IRAM much or at all unless they need it for some function
23:00:56kkurbjunmcuelenaere: there are IRAM defines in the code that you would have to ifdef if there's not enough
23:01:11kkurbjunfor example rockboy uses quite a bit of iram
23:01:23kkurbjunand we would have to add in ifdefs for a smaller iram targer
23:01:29mcuelenaereah ok
23:01:40kkurbjuncurrently the only way to control the iram usage is the use defines
23:02:01kkurbjunit would be nice if there was a way to prioritize things and put what fit in when possible
23:02:03saratogaeventually IRAM should be overhauled based on the amount available, now that we have targets with just a few KB, 96KB, 128KB and probably soon several hundred KB or more
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23:03:16mcuelenaere__attribute__ ((section(".icode_p1"))), __attribute__ ((section(".icode_p2"))), etc.. ?
23:03:43kkurbjunthat's a possiblity
23:03:56kkurbjunit would be really nice to have it automated
23:04:02kkurbjunbut I don't know how you would implement that
23:04:07mcuelenaerebut it would require a lot of code rewriting :)
23:04:16saratogahaving IRAM_96K, IRAM_128K, IRAM_320K defines might make sense
23:04:34mcuelenaereor #if IRAM > 96 etc
23:04:37saratogawhere any target with at least that much has it defined
23:04:43kkurbjunI don't like having more cases in the code
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23:04:55saratogaotherwise you get DRAM
23:05:08kkurbjungenerally iram only helps with certain code/data
23:05:24kkurbjunso having say 320 K won't necessarily help you
23:05:30mcuelenaerewould the USB driver benefit of IRAM usage ? (ie quick response time)
23:05:40mcuelenaereI mean the low-level code
23:06:09kkurbjunI am not sure, I would ask gevaerts
23:06:13saratogakkurbjun: having 320K of IRAM would be very nice in some of the codecs
23:06:39saratogawe could basically run them out of IRAM and save a good deal of pwoer
23:07:12kkurbjunsaratoga, has it been shown that much power will be saved running everything from iram?
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23:07:29kkurbjunI would asskume that it would, but I guess a measurement would be nice
23:07:53saratogakkurbjun: it greatly reduces the clock cycles needed on coldfire and the pp5002, and reduces it still quite a lot on PP50XX
23:07:55kkurbjunI was thinking if there was a way to take care of the iram size on the linker level
23:08:13saratoganewer ARM targets have nice caches so the impact of IRAM is much less, but its still very useful
23:08:33kkurbjunI'm not sure, but I think something like that should really be researched before someone starts adding in a ton of #ifdefs
23:08:40saratogabecause codecs often stream through data using it only once before storing, in which case cache doesn't help you at all
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23:08:50jhMikeSsmall, repetitive code loops aren't benefitted much by IRAM
23:09:00saratogakkurbjun: you don't need to #ifdef anything
23:09:07saratogayou can just expand the current IBSS_ATTR defines
23:09:47saratogafor example, "static complex_t Z1[512] IBSS_ATTR;" becomes "static complex_t Z1[512] IBSS_ATTR_128K" so that its only allocated in IRAM on 128K or larger targets, and becomes DRAM elsewhere
23:09:47jhMikeSdoing it at the linker level doesn't let you prioritize IRAM usage either
23:10:05saratogathis is how we handle the gigabeats already
23:10:35kkurbjunyep, I know how the gigabeat is handled, that is possible..
23:10:35Lloreanmcuelenaere: I seem to recall gevaerts playing with IRAM in the USB driver, and assume that since it's not in use it turned out to not be a significant enough factor, but I'm not sure.
23:10:59kkurbjunsaratoga: the other concern is what to do when we get a number of targets that have a number of different sizes
23:10:59saratogaat a side benefit, this can be implemented in the current codecs using a simple find and replace since
23:11:01jhMikeSbut it's a complete "faking" of IRAM and libmad still has a #define to prevent assembly portions from actually going into the iram section
23:11:12mcuelenaereLlorean: the reason I'm referring to putting it in IRAM, is as the OF does it
23:11:26mcuelenaerebut I mean the interrupt handler, not the whole higher level USB code
23:11:29saratogajhMikeS: yes ideally we'd want some way to tell the linker to not blow up when we try to link into fake IRAM
23:11:33jhMikeSthe faking doesn't actually function like it should
23:11:34kkurbjunsaratoga: I like the idea considering the current targets we have, but what about the future?
23:11:37linuxstbsaratoga: It's not as simple as "IBSS_ATTR_128K" - how IRAM should be prioritised also depends on the CPU and its cache(s).
23:11:41saratogathat ifdef in MAD is actually my doing :)
23:11:56saratogalinuxstb: can you elaborate?
23:11:57Lloreanmcuelenaere: Well if you search the IRC logs, I think you'll find a discussion relating to it, though I couldn't hazard to begin to guess when it was now.
23:12:13jhMikeSsaragtoga: then you add *(.ibss) into the bss area, etc.
23:13:58linuxstbsaratoga: e.g. Coldfire only has an instruction cache, no data cache. So there it can be better to use IRAM for data.
23:14:43saratogalinuxstb: yes but its also better to use IRAM for data on PP too
23:15:11saratogathe caches are different, but the optimization strategy is nearly always the same
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23:17:17kkurbjunI think another way this could be done is to say there are perhaps 4 or more priority levels for data, instruction, and const. The code that goes in each priority would be based on profiling
23:17:45kkurbjunthen we take say priority 1 data, code, and const and always put it in IRAM
23:17:52saratogaisn't that basically what i'm proposing ?
23:18:04kkurbjunyes, but without a define to say the ammount
23:18:17saratogayou still need to tell the linker about IRAM . . .
23:18:25kkurbjunthis would allow us to pick the priorities you want for each target
23:18:40kkurbjunwe can make watever section names we want for the linker
23:18:58saratogai mean either way you're still going to have to say "int variable_name iram_level"
23:19:34*jhMikeS sees crt0.S depends on the presence of _iramend :\
23:19:37kkurbjunso if say data is more important on a target we would only focus on p1 for code, and forget all the rest of the lower levels to focus on lower level data
23:20:08linuxstbsaratoga: I've found IRAM on PP very unpredictable - in many cases, putting things in IRAM has made negligible difference, or even slowed things down.
23:20:24saratogalinuxstb: yes i've observed that as well
23:20:35kkurbjunsaratoga, yes, I was just suggesting a way to prioritize it based on the target's strengths
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23:20:52saratogathats really not going to work very well
23:20:58jhMikeSkkurbjun: how do I remove the _iramend references from there without breaking crt0.S?
23:21:02saratogayou pretty much have to test each variable to see, particularly on PP
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23:21:36saratogalinuxstb: i suspect that certain addressing modes incur some sort of latency when used on variables in IRAM
23:21:46saratogathough i've never bothered to look into it
23:22:11kkurbjunjhMikeS: the F doesn't use it anymore
23:22:24kkurbjunwhy are you trying to remove the references?
23:22:38saratogabecause i've noticed that putting things like VLC decode tree parsing in IRAM are slower, while putting code that does load multiple/store multiple ops in gets much faster
23:22:42ajkesselAnyone have any experience running rockbox with a Bose Sounddock? The dock works fine when the iPod is booted with Apple firmware, but with Rockbox no sound is audible through the speakers (iPod Video 80GB; latest RB build).
23:22:45jhMikeSI see "copy code to 0x30000000" and such
23:22:48kkurbjunjhMikeS: nevermind, the f still does
23:22:56kkurbjunI shouldn't need it though
23:23:24saratogathis reminds me, have we decided what to do with the extra 32KB of IRAM on the PP502X yet?
23:23:27kkurbjunoops, I forgot my code :)
23:23:27jhMikeSbecause I'm removing those sections entirely and placing the "i" sections inside the analagous dram sections
23:23:33saratogai'd very much like to have some of it for codecs
23:24:27kkurbjunjhmikes, I need a way to tell the end of all of the code on the F so that I can continue to take care of the proper start address in crt0.s
23:24:39linuxstbajkessel: This is where people write their experiences with Apple accessories -
23:24:46kkurbjunso iram end just has to point to the end of the initialized data/code
23:25:53linuxstbsaratoga: BTW, did you see my last post about the Clip in the forums? Looking at the firmware, there seems to be more RAM than just the 320KB the datasheet mentions...
23:26:04kkurbjunjhMikeS: so icode is going in .text etc?
23:26:33ajkessellinuxstb: thanks for the pointer. According to that page, the dock should work for audio out, but it doesn't seem to work for me (either for this iPod model or the current RB release). Should I file a bug, or is there anything else you might recommend I test to troubleshoot?
23:26:39kkurbjunif you get rid of the iram sections I'm assuming that you can just put _iramend in .data
23:26:53kkurbjunassuming that is the end of the stuff that needs to be copied to run
23:26:55jhMikeSkkurbjun: yes
23:26:59linuxstbajkessel: No, there's no need for a bug report - we know Rockbox doesn't work with Apple accessories...
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23:27:26jhMikeSi just threw a label in after the last initialized ram
23:27:36kkurbjunif you put .icode in .text and .irodata in .rodata and .idata in .data _iramend can be placed in .data
23:27:50kkurbjunassuming you don't move the sections around
23:28:12jhMikeSthat's sort of what happened but I renamed it because it's not that :)
23:28:22kkurbjun:), sounds good
23:28:45saratogalinuxstb: IIRC the memory controller can remap things all over the address space
23:28:49saratogaare you sure you're not seeing that?
23:28:59saratogalet me dig out the datasheet
23:29:13linuxstbI don't think so - the whole of the 320KB address space starting at 0x0 seems to be being used, plus some further RAM at 0x30000000
23:29:41LloreanIs there a spot in the logs where I can see why we removed support for older musepack stream versions?
23:29:51jhMikeSseems to work
23:30:12kkurbjunjhMikeS: if you commit it I'll double check it in flash
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23:30:43saratogahmm that is the SDRAM then
23:30:58linuxstbThat's what I thought... But the photos don't seem to show any.
23:31:09LloreanBuschel: You around?
23:31:27BuschelLlorean: I asked whether it is ok. 1st: I guess I am the only one who has such, 2nd: when switching to the sv8-library it is not supported anymore at all
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23:31:50LloreanBuschel: Ah, so it was necessary if we wanted to upgrade cleanly to current musepack code?
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23:32:03LloreanOr at least, "it would require a lot of work to preserve it"?
23:32:27linuxstbsaratoga: Do you own a v2 device, or are you just curious?
23:32:48saratogalinuxstb: just curious, but thinking of picking one up since they're cheap
23:33:25BuschelLlorean: sv4 to sv6 were made long before musepack became somehow popular. if users complain it can be easily switched on (svn-version). i am not quite sure about the sv8-decoder.
23:33:38kkurbjunsaratoga: what I was getting at just to sum it up is that we need to be forward thinking of our consequences to the code for future targets, Just because we have say 3 targets with different sizes of IRAM now doesn't mean that in the future we won't have 50, so it would be in our benefit to find a way to solve the problem in a fashion that can work with any number of different size IRAM's.
23:34:02LloreanBuschel: I was just curious. It seems unlikely people use it, but it somehow just feels "wrong" to be removing supported formats. :)
23:34:40kkurbjunThat's why I made the suggestion I did based on your proposal.
23:34:48ajkessellinuxstb: is it even worth updating the wiki? Will that help? I registered and tried to edit the IpodAccessories page to reflect my experience but it says "Access check on Main.IpodAccessories failed. Action "change": access not allowed on web."
23:35:00saratogalinuxstb: the memory controller says it supports "Asynchronous static memory device support including RAM, ROM, and Flash"
23:35:06mcuelenaerekkurbjun: could you check dma-creativezvm.c if I made any mistakes on the 32-byte checking if you have some time?
23:35:08saratogamaybe that space is memory mapped FLASH rom?
23:35:14linuxstbajkessel: What is your Wiki name? You need to have write access granted (I can do it).
23:35:41saratogakkurbjun: I don't really understand why we can't just expand teh current IRAM defines to include size
23:35:52saratogathat should be perfectly scalable to targets with MBs worth of IRAM
23:35:59jhMikeSkkurbjun: doing the F/X and S while I'm at it but it should be ready soon
23:36:16linuxstbajkessel: Try again now (I guessed your name...)
23:36:23kkurbjunmcuelenaere: I'll check it out when I get a chance. I don't think the dm320 code is working on the m:robe 500 at the moment, so I don't know if I'll have a target to check with
23:36:41linuxstbsaratoga: Do you have a link to that new nvidia chip you mentioned?
23:37:14Buschelhmm, "study mode" is a major change?
23:37:24kkurbjunsaratoga: but what if there are targets that come in that have sizes of iram that are inbetween what we already have, we would have to go back and reevaluate the defines so that we can take advantage of all of their memory.
23:37:25mcuelenaerekkurbjun: how do you mean the dm320 isn't working on the m:robe 500? did I break it?
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23:38:06kkurbjunmcuelenaere: no, I don't think so, I believe it was broken on the 500 before, I havn't tried it in a while though since I've been trying to finish flash on the gigabeat
23:38:09saratogakkurbjun: you'll have to do that anyway
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23:39:29kkurbjunsaratoga: if you have priorites for each section that are based on profiling you would have more granularity for control
23:39:45ajkessellinuxstb: Thanks, I updated it.
23:40:06saratogasuch priorities would still need to be determined for new CPUs most likely, so I don't see what it gains
23:40:32saratogayou're still going to have to open up each codec and see what needs to be in IRAM most (or what can be added in the case that your new target has more IRAM then any old)
23:40:50yeal`rockbox can play only mpeg2 and mpeg1, what can ipod os play?
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23:41:15Lloreanyeal`: Please, stop asking questions about the iPod OS in here. Visit Apple's site, but this channel is for rockbox discussion.
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23:42:10saratogalinuxstb: though technically its embedded DRAM, so its probably not single cycles like SRAM
23:42:15Buschelgood night!
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23:43:00linuxstbsaratoga: I was about to mention that.... Those aren't DAP SoCs either...
23:43:56kkurbjunsaratoga: different architectures is one thing, but different amounts of memory on a similar arch is another, I agree that on a different arch you would likely have to do it, but if that's the case there's another level of complexity that really isn't covered by either proposal.
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23:46:46saratogalinuxstb: i don't think theres much difference between a phone and portable media player SOC
23:46:54saratogasandisk at least uses one of those in the View
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23:51:49saratogaactually i think the SOC in the gigabeast is mainly aimed at phones, since its got hardware support for cameras, video encoding, encryption stuff
23:52:28LloreanWell, I'm pretty sure the version with the graphics acceleration is used in a few phones, yeah.

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