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| 00:03:59 | jhMikeS | kkurbjun: flash away |
| 00:04:35 | jhMikeS | I had already done that for the S bootloader but neglected to just finish the job :p |
| 00:05:37 | petur | mcuelenaere: thanks for fixing my typo ;) |
| 00:07:38 | Xqtftqx | Hey Guys, Just want to say, the gigabeat s port is realy moving along, and everybody had bean doing a great job, im running it currently. Great Stuff! |
| 00:07:52 | mcuelenaere | petur: np ;) |
| 00:09:00 | Xqtftqx | Anybody Know the status of the battery charging thing for the S? |
| 00:09:29 | jhMikeS | Xqtftqx: yes, in the planning stage |
| 00:09:42 | Xqtftqx | Whats the status |
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| 00:10:02 | jhMikeS | exactly that :) |
| 00:10:13 | Xqtftqx | Well that realy helps |
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| 00:10:24 | Xqtftqx | are you guys stuck on something, i can try to help out? |
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| 00:11:20 | jhMikeS | not stuck, just thinking it through before twiddling fingers |
| 00:11:25 | kkurbjun | jhMikeS: looks good, just need to fix the bootloader link script |
| 00:11:37 | kkurbjun | flash is still working |
| 00:11:51 | Xqtftqxt | What are you guys talking about? |
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| 00:12:29 | Xqtftqx | Firefox Crashed |
| 00:13:05 | kkurbjun | jhMikeS: I just committed the fix |
| 00:13:12 | Xqtftqx | what fix? |
| 00:13:25 | Llorean | Xqtftqx: Please, read the logs if you want to know what's being talked about. |
| 00:13:34 | Xqtftqx | Ok, ill read, sorry |
| 00:13:50 | Xqtftqx | I cant |
| 00:13:54 | Xqtftqx | only goes back so far |
| 00:14:02 | linuxstb | Xqtftqx: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/ |
| 00:14:10 | Xqtftqx | Ok thanks |
| 00:14:19 | Llorean | Xqtftqx: Please, read the channel guidelines too. Try to use complete sentences rather than posting several very short lines. |
| 00:14:37 | kkurbjun | Xqtftqx: I was talking about the F/X bootloader, not the S |
| 00:15:11 | Xqtftqx | Oh, Alright |
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| 00:18:06 | jhMikeS | kkurbjun: thanks |
| 00:18:34 | * | jhMikeS spotted-up the nice, green build table today :\ |
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| 00:39:12 | saratoga | jhMikeS: does this mean hacks are no longer necessary for the Gigabeats when putting code in IRAM? |
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| 01:11:55 | soap | Adam Kessel? |
| 01:12:04 | tholdar | what? |
| 01:13:08 | soap | What is Adam Kessel's IRC nick? |
| 01:13:16 | tholdar | nick cave |
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| 01:18:15 | kugel | building rockbox doesn't do well with make -j |
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| 01:20:18 | kugel | hm |
| 01:20:35 | kugel | "make -j" is ok, but "make -j 2" is not ok |
| 01:20:43 | soap | really? I normally make -j3 |
| 01:20:59 | soap | ajkessel is the man I want to talk to. |
| 01:21:38 | kugel | soap: Don't you need a space between -j and the number? |
| 01:21:54 | kugel | i did -j2 some time until I noticed it does nothing |
| 01:22:01 | kugel | some time ago* |
| 01:22:31 | * | soap doesn't use a space |
| 01:23:05 | kugel | well, I noticed a major speedup when i started to use the space |
| 01:23:28 | soap | give me three and I'll test it. |
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| 01:24:10 | kugel | soap: No, you seem to be right, since -j2 doesn't do well too |
| 01:25:13 | kugel | the problem with -j 2 on my machine is, that this makes the tools (like bmp2rb) be built after they are needed |
| 01:25:39 | kugel | this applies to a fresh svn only ofc, when those tools aren't compiled yet |
| 01:28:46 | soap | make -j 2 should be the same as make -j |
| 01:28:59 | kugel | I expected that too |
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| 01:29:01 | soap | make -j 20 should be the same as make -j IIUC |
| 01:29:36 | kugel | make -j means make -j [infinite] according to the man page |
| 01:29:39 | soap | where it automatically attempt to pick the correct number of threads. |
| 01:30:17 | kugel | Allow N jobs at once; infinite jobs with no arg. |
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| 01:35:38 | saratoga | kugel: you may need to rerun configure or something like that |
| 01:35:50 | saratoga | it sounds like your makefile is messed up |
| 01:36:37 | obo | kugel: I just had the same issue with bmp2rb after a make veryclean |
| 01:37:15 | soap | FWIW, on my computer...svn up, make && make clean (to fill ccache), and the timings after that: j3=50sec, j2=62sec, j=50sec, no j=96sec |
| 01:37:31 | obo | solved it by changing the Makefile produced by tools/configure, to ensure that tools is built before features |
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| 01:41:41 | soap | ajkessel doesn't appear to be a member of the forums, at least not from his IRC client's IP address range. |
| 01:42:10 | soap | I really would like to talk to him regarding his edit of the IpodAccessories web page. |
| 01:43:46 | soap | would a wiki admin be able to see what IP address he edited the wiki page from? If so perhaps we could discover his forum account. |
| 01:47:51 | Xqtftqx | Yes |
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| 01:53:57 | kugel | saratoga: after bmp2rb is built, everthing runs fine. I said, it only happens on a very fresh svn |
| 01:54:15 | saratoga | kugel: i don't have that problem, so i think its something wrong at your end |
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| 01:55:17 | kugel | saratoga: Have you tried a freshly checked out source or one where you have been compiling within at least once? As you see, obo know what I mean |
| 01:55:42 | obo | kugel: I just commited a change to solve it - svn up |
| 01:56:00 | kugel | obo: Ok, that was fast :) |
| 01:56:10 | * | kugel also didn't know obo is a dev :/ |
| 01:56:29 | * | obo has been far to distracted by real life recently |
| 01:58:20 | soap | if I were rich i'd make a SoapSummerOfCode |
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| 02:02:42 | kugel | obo: Thanks works fine :) |
| 02:02:59 | kugel | saratoga: The, my end wasn't wrong :P |
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| 02:09:56 | kugel | I think rockbox should ship some kind of exampe-music file, maybe even with a cover art |
| 02:10:06 | kugel | at least the source for having it in the sim |
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| 02:54:05 | saratoga | jhMikeS: around? |
| 02:54:32 | jhMikeS | saratoga: for a bit longer |
| 02:55:40 | saratoga | can you look at a pointer problem i have? |
| 02:56:00 | jhMikeS | sure |
| 02:56:24 | saratoga | i changed a struct member from "frame_out[MAX_CHANNELS][BLOCK_MAX_SIZE * 2]" to "(*frame_out)[MAX_CHANNELS][BLOCK_MAX_SIZE*2]" |
| 02:56:30 | saratoga | basically just made a pointer to it |
| 02:57:12 | saratoga | i then changed a memmove access to it from "&(s->frame_out[ch][s->frame_len])" to "&(*(s->frame_out)[ch][s->frame_len])" |
| 02:57:25 | saratoga | but the address that generates is wildly off |
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| 02:58:18 | jhMikeS | &((*s->frame_out)[ch][s->frame_len]) <= I think that's right |
| 03:00 |
| 03:04:09 | jhMikeS | this compiles nicely: int myarray[10][10]; int (*myarray_p)[10][10]; myarray_p = &myarray; int* x = &(*myarray_p)[0][0]; |
| 03:05:50 | jhMikeS | this works too for the assignment, simply: int* x = myarray_p[0][0]; |
| 03:09:36 | saratoga | thanks, seems to work |
| 03:14:22 | jhMikeS | Thinking about it I don't think the 2nd assignment is the same as the first but it means instead "int *x points to the [0][0] elemenent of a 10x10 array of pointers to a 10x10 array." :\ |
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| 03:17:09 | * | jhMikeS decides to go clarify this acedemic question for himself |
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| 03:31:58 | saratoga | if i put the output buffer from a codec into IRAM, DSP should be speed up correct? |
| 03:37:01 | kugel | I wonder if anyone can commit http://pastebin.ca/1014287 |
| 03:37:05 | kugel | just some changes to configure |
| 03:37:24 | kugel | It fixes some typos and an issue I introduced in r16935 (which doesn't seem to cause any errors though). |
| 03:37:32 | * | jhMikeS gets it now (*myarray)[y][z] = myarray[0][y][z] |
| 03:37:47 | kugel | my patch, which was committed by a dev respectively |
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| 03:39:19 | jhMikeS | saratoga: it's normally the case since the DSP often processes in place in the output buffer |
| 03:39:36 | kugel | Would anyone be so kind? If not, I'll just open a tracker entry |
| 03:41:35 | saratoga | jhMikeS: so test_codec won't see the speed up from putting the output buffer in IRAM? |
| 03:41:39 | * | jhMikeS learned today that "eventhough" is a word |
| 03:42:15 | kugel | hehe |
| 03:42:38 | jhMikeS | saratoga: it should speed up the codec itself targets where it helps and speed up both in normal playback |
| 03:42:44 | kugel | typo again i guess :( |
| 03:44:30 | kugel | Ok, I updated it |
| 03:44:30 | saratoga | but if i see a 5% speedup in test codec, presumably the real speed up is somewhat larger because now DSP operations don't have to do so many DRAM accesses? |
| 03:45:19 | jhMikeS | saratoga: exactly |
| 03:46:19 | * | jhMikeS wonders if test_codec should include DSP processing in combination or isolation to give more realistic results |
| 03:46:31 | * | kugel goes to open a tracker entry |
| 03:47:13 | * | jhMikeS doesn't know the script stuff well enough to judge anything about the patch unfortunately |
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| 03:51:37 | kugel | jhMikeS: The first fix is a type in a comment, the second one in the output of configure −−help, and the third one deletes 8 lines of code which put my patch in there in r16935 |
| 03:52:04 | kugel | typo* |
| 03:52:45 | kugel | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8980 |
| 03:52:49 | jhMikeS | 3rd is just an unused bit of test code? |
| 03:53:13 | saratoga | jhMikeS: has anyone ever commented on what to do with the extra 32KB of IRAM on PP502X? |
| 03:53:34 | jhMikeS | saratoga: there's another bank? |
| 03:53:34 | kugel | jhMikeS: Not even test code. I'm not entirly sure how it happend to be there |
| 03:53:49 | saratoga | jhMikeS: yes 502X has 128KB |
| 03:54:42 | kugel | jhMikeS: The 8 lines seem to be a part of a function which is defined at the beginning of the file (I maybe copied it for refrences) |
| 03:55:28 | jhMikeS | saragtoga: so the two banks aren't contiguous? |
| 03:55:37 | saratoga | no they're contiguous |
| 03:56:00 | kugel | jhMikeS: But I definitlely know that these lines are wrong there and not needed |
| 03:56:04 | saratoga | theres just another 32k bytes at the end of the 96k on the 5020 |
| 03:56:37 | saratoga | (and i don't believe we're using it, at least allocating it in a codec does not cause any problems once the changes are made in the lds file) |
| 03:56:53 | jhMikeS | saratoga: don't use the same IRAM for codecs and plugins therefore IRAM-using plugins can run with music playing (seems the most user-visible benefit) |
| 03:57:32 | saratoga | i thought plugins and codecs always shared IRAM? |
| 03:58:56 | jhMikeS | scarcity |
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| 04:04:13 | jhMikeS | MCF5250 iirc has 128KB and is just divided 64K for core/64K for codecs and plugins |
| 04:05:05 | saratoga | playing around with that extra IRAM, I can squeeze another 6% plus whatever putting the output buffer in IRAM gets for no real effort |
| 04:05:10 | saratoga | for WMA |
| 04:06:22 | saratoga | i would rather like to have all that extra IRAM for codecs unless theres some pressing need in the core for it |
| 04:06:46 | saratoga | i think if we're ever going to beat the OF on most of the PP targets, codecs are going to need to get faster, and having more IRAM would help with that |
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| 04:14:21 | jhMikeS | some driver design changes (more sleep time) + voltage scaling (I seem to recall hearing that as being a possibility on PP) |
| 04:15:08 | kugel | Wow, study mode unter MajorChanges |
| 04:23:28 | saratoga | jhMikeS: voltage scaling doesn't really help |
| 04:23:44 | saratoga | the OFs don't even bother with it |
| 04:26:59 | saratoga | i think the biggest thing is just to get CPU usage down in codecs |
| 04:27:16 | saratoga | commercial decoders claim things like 20MHz MP3 decoding |
| 04:27:26 | saratoga | we barely manage 35 or 40MHz |
| 04:30:52 | jhMikeS | yeah, but they use the COP |
| 04:31:22 | jhMikeS | splitting DSP and decoding between cores should allow that easily |
| 04:31:50 | saratoga | i think Buschel said the DSP only uses about 2MHz if you have all processing turned off |
| 04:34:47 | kkurbjun | saratoga, are completely set on the idea that extra iram is the only solution? |
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| 04:45:15 | saratoga | kkurbjun: no, but its certainly a good way to go about it, at least on the targets that have it |
| 04:48:23 | jhMikeS | saratoga: but the codec is sharing CPU with other tasks so it could only really run with 100% core available to it on COP |
| 04:48:51 | kkurbjun | I agree, I think a clean solution to implementing flexible use needs to be come up with though, otherwise it's not a productive use of time to simply /muddy/ the code when there are other things that should and could be fully looked into as jhMikeS is suggesting. Granted these are things that come from a hardware perspective rather than code performance, but getting an answer here on what to do isn't really a consensus. I think |
| 04:49:00 | kkurbjun | that or we need a steering board. |
| 04:50:15 | kkurbjun | the other problem is that iram changes don't really benefit the code as a whole except on particular SOC's |
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| 04:54:52 | soap | The code as a whole beats every other SOC OF's runtime, does it not? |
| 04:55:32 | kkurbjun | it doesn't beat the gigabeat OF from what I've heard |
| 04:55:56 | kkurbjun | I have not done a measurement on it though |
| 04:56:13 | kkurbjun | again, I'm not aguing against using the IRAM, but I think it needs to be done cleanly |
| 04:56:15 | soap | I haven't seen any measurements on that target, solid point. |
| 04:56:34 | soap | But RB doesn't scale on the F/X. |
| 04:57:07 | kkurbjun | soap, generally frequeny scaling on silicon is a linear change in terms of power |
| 04:57:14 | kkurbjun | voltage is exponential |
| 04:57:27 | kkurbjun | and those are the main factors you can change |
| 04:57:56 | kkurbjun | on the F we disconnect the core when code doesn't need to be run thanks to some clever code |
| 04:58:47 | kkurbjun | so slowing down the core only makes the code take longer to run just at a lower frequency, so it ends up pretty even |
| 04:59:30 | soap | I was under the impression scaling had been attempted, but didn't change a thing? |
| 04:59:36 | soap | (runtime wise) |
| 04:59:41 | kkurbjun | soap, yep, it was the same |
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| 04:59:58 | InigoMontoya | hello all |
| 05:00 |
| 05:00:25 | kkurbjun | it's less power while at a lower frequency, but the core has to be connected longer |
| 05:00:37 | InigoMontoya | i was just testing the suggested fix in FS #8641, e200 doom 90 degree crash, and it seems to have worked |
| 05:02:03 | InigoMontoya | how do i go about making a patch? |
| 05:03:48 | kkurbjun | I guess I should clarify, voltage is not exponential, but quadratic |
| 05:07:31 | InigoMontoya | is the command something like diff original.c modified.c > patch.diff ? |
| 05:08:49 | kkurbjun | "svn diff > file.diff" will give you the differences in a file |
| 05:09:43 | InigoMontoya | i have modified a file, and i want to make a patch that would modify an original file to make it like my modified file |
| 05:10:35 | ReKleSS | InigoMontoya: you would normally use diff -u |
| 05:10:59 | ReKleSS | it includes some context so that the patch can still apply against a slightly different file |
| 05:12:00 | InigoMontoya | ReKleSS: thanks, i'll tinker around a bit and try to make a patch and post it after a little bit more testing |
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| 05:56:36 | InigoMontoya | ReKlESS: i have made the patch after testing it for awhile, what is the etiquette on posting patches? should I just post it? |
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| 05:57:06 | ReKleSS | that part I'm not sure about... I believe that's usually fine, though |
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| 06:12:44 | InigoMontoya | ok the patch is posted in FS #8641 hopefully i did it right |
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| 07:48:22 | JdGordon | is the microdrive in the mr100 replaceable with a CF card? |
| 07:51:52 | homielowe | I think its the same seagate type as the ipod mini |
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| 07:54:31 | * | Buschel reads the logs and support saratoga in his statement about CPU-usage of OFs |
| 07:54:59 | Buschel | seems like mp3-decoding on arm7 (non dual core) is possible @20-24MHz. |
| 07:55:32 | Buschel | this is equal to mpc in rockbox −− with mpc-playback we surpass the OF battery runtime... |
| 07:55:45 | Buschel | so: let's tweak the decoders! ;o) |
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| 09:02:15 | JdGordon | anyone know if low_light is ever on irc? |
| 09:09:11 | scorche | low_light (i=c730180a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8a22b4117b7c44c9) signed off 1 day and 12 hours ago |
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| 09:10:18 | * | JdGordon does some ESP thing to get him to come back online some time tonight :p |
| 09:11:57 | scorche | ESP is mainly RX...not TX |
| 09:12:25 | JdGordon | damn you! |
| 09:12:41 | JdGordon | and how can it only be RX? something has to TX... |
| 09:19:30 | ze | what you want is telepathic suggestion |
| 09:20:16 | Kohlrabi | Is the latest version of rockbox able to decode Musepack SV8? |
| 09:20:19 | ze | ESP can almost be thought of as a special kind of filter... it filters out immediate sensory input along with the effect of obstructions in order to recieve sensory perception from outside your immediate scope |
| 09:21:12 | Kohlrabi | Flkyspray says "no", but maybe it has changed :I |
| 09:22:58 | scorche | ze: wrong channel ;) |
| 09:23:24 | ze | scorche: i know, i was done :p |
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| 09:57:34 | webguest12 | hi, if I have rockbox on my Archos JBR will a apple mac see it ? |
| 09:58:02 | n1s | webguest12: yes |
| 09:58:25 | webguest12 | I dont need special drivers for the mac ? |
| 09:58:50 | scorche | webguest12: which JBR? |
| 09:59:04 | webguest12 | v1 |
| 09:59:10 | scorche | and what size? |
| 09:59:28 | webguest12 | I modded mine to 12o gigs |
| 09:59:32 | webguest12 | 120 |
| 09:59:44 | scorche | i meant what size originally |
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| 10:00:01 | webguest12 | hmm, 10 or 15 gig originally |
| 10:00:25 | scorche | well...let me ask this...is it USB 1.1 or 2.0? |
| 10:00:32 | webguest12 | 1.1 |
| 10:01:46 | scorche | i dont know the situation with those drivers and a mac...does it work fine currently? |
| 10:02:06 | JdGordon|uni | shouldnt it just show up as a regular mass storage device? |
| 10:02:24 | scorche | JdGordon|uni: 1.1 required drivers |
| 10:03:02 | webguest12 | so I'll need drivers for the mac ro see it ? |
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| 10:03:16 | scorche | webguest12: does the mac currently see the device? |
| 10:04:05 | webguest12 | haven't tried it yet, mac is a friends pc, |
| 10:04:45 | scorche | well, rockbox wont make a difference in regards to if the mac will see it |
| 10:05:01 | webguest12 | ah, that answers it then, thanks |
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| 10:24:10 | webguest12 | scorhe; do you perhaps have the original installation CD's for the Archos JBR V1 ? |
| 10:24:32 | webguest12 | scorche^ |
| 10:25:04 | scorche | probably, but i would probably have to spend hours of digging through old boxes |
| 10:25:52 | webguest12 | ok, I bought my Archos off ebay, so no instalation disk, apparenlt it had a mac installation disk |
| 10:26:06 | * | scorche nods |
| 10:26:30 | webguest12 | wanna sell me the disk :-) |
| 10:26:39 | scorche | i dont have it handy |
| 10:27:31 | webguest12 | i can wait a few days if it makes any difference, but if you dont to want to thats ok |
| 10:27:43 | scorche | i dont :) |
| 10:27:50 | webguest12 | np :-) |
| 10:28:00 | Mouser_X | Try searching for the drivers. |
| 10:28:11 | Mouser_X | There's drivers.org, or something. |
| 10:28:17 | webguest12 | I have, nothing for the mac only pc |
| 10:28:30 | Mouser_X | I meant searching online. Like Google. |
| 10:28:36 | Mouser_X | Sorry, misread. |
| 10:28:39 | Buschel | kohlrabi: musepack sv8 ist still not supported yet. i've made a first attempt to compile it into rockbox yesterday −− and failed :/ will need some more time until i get it to work |
| 10:28:42 | webguest12 | :-) |
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| 10:29:35 | Mouser_X | Odd as this may sound, have you tried downloading the various drivers you've found? Maybe they contain the MAC drivers in there after all. |
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| 10:29:52 | Mouser_X | Also, try searching for *.hfs files, and not *.exe or *.zip. |
| 10:30:13 | Mouser_X | (Or whatever the MAC's "native" archive format is.) |
| 10:31:00 | webguest12 | I'll try all that, but the packagges all state various flavours of windows, I just need to find someone with the installation disks that is willing to copy the drivers off them, thanks for your time |
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| 10:37:25 | Mouser_X | webguest12: Is this it? - http://members.driverguide.com/driver/detail.php?driverid=12165 |
| 10:38:08 | scorche | Mouser_X: keep in mind this is all before OSX |
| 10:39:05 | Mouser_X | I searched for MAC, not OSX. |
| 10:39:33 | * | Mouser_X doesn't use MACs, and thus is almost entirely unfamiliar with their stuff, including their OS. |
| 10:39:49 | scorche | i doubt you will find OSX drivers for it....and we dont even know if they are needed yet (i dont know what sort of drivers OSX includes) |
| 10:39:51 | webguest12 | thank you for your effort, but it is indeed for the OSX |
| 10:40:11 | Mouser_X | Ah, sorry. |
| 10:40:16 | * | Mouser_X goes to bed. |
| 10:40:58 | scorche | webguest12: see if it works...if not, come back...you can always wait around till someone else comes around that might know too |
| 10:41:19 | webguest12 | thank you, I'll do so |
| 10:51:38 | linuxstb | webguest12: This may be what you're looking for. IIRC, it's the ISD200 USB bridge chip you need a driver for - http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/11561 |
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| 11:21:40 | Kohlrabi | Buschel: good to know, thanks :) |
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| 11:37:34 | JdGordon | Nico_P: done anything with the icon list view yet? |
| 11:37:48 | Nico_P | JdGordon: not yet, no |
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| 11:38:01 | Nico_P | I've done some basic thinking but no coding |
| 11:38:13 | JdGordon | ok |
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| 11:56:56 | JdGordon | Nico_P: got a min to checkout a wps/playback bug? |
| 11:57:55 | JdGordon | trying to see if 6078 is still a bug.. The A-B repeating works correctly (i tihnk), but the statusbar shows wrongly |
| 11:58:47 | JdGordon | s/statyusbar/progressbar |
| 11:59:01 | JdGordon | it colours the first bit of the bar instead of starting from the a-b spot |
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| 11:59:38 | JdGordon | also, the possibly bigger issue is that it finishes the track after you set the B spot then jumps back to A as expected, but should it jump back as soon as the B is set? |
| 11:59:47 | * | JdGordon will try looking at the progressbar issue |
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| 12:10:15 | JdGordon | a-b mode doesnt seem to work in the sim at all? |
| 12:11:10 | Nico_P | JdGordon: that's a limitation of A-B repeat |
| 12:11:20 | JdGordon | which part? |
| 12:11:43 | Nico_P | repeating the wrong section (looking at FS #6078) |
| 12:11:49 | Nico_P | it's because of PCM latency |
| 12:12:06 | Nico_P | about the progressbar, I'm not sure I understand the issue |
| 12:15:35 | JdGordon | Nico_P: Its not repeating the wrong section (well on my sansa and a 30s track anyway), but the progress bar is filling 0:00 -> 0:15 instead of say 0:10 -> 0:25 |
| 12:15:51 | JdGordon | but, apparently works fine on longer tracks, so i guess its a non issue |
| 12:16:33 | Nico_P | I think that's something that can't really be fixed without using a whole new approach to the feature |
| 12:16:56 | Buschel | preglow: you there? |
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| 13:14:02 | JdGordon | n1s: nice commit :) |
| 13:19:01 | bertrik | do we really need to be that strict w.r.t. line length (80 characters I presume)? |
| 13:19:29 | JdGordon | depends who you ask :p |
| 13:19:32 | JdGordon | and yes, its 80chars |
| 13:19:46 | scorche | it ought to be enough for anyone! |
| 13:25:28 | webguest12 | linuxstb: thanks for the link but it has a weird redirect to it and I'm unable to download it, I'll try and source it from elsewhere |
| 13:27:30 | webguest12 | damn all th links for Cypress OS X Storage Driver - 1.2 point to the same page and it gets redirected quicly, very annoying |
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| 13:29:08 | linuxstb | webguest12: I assume you've tried attaching your Archos to your Mac? |
| 13:29:52 | * | linuxstb is failing to create a modified firmware that the Clip will accept... |
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| 13:30:37 | webguest12 | no I dont have a mac, a friend who has a mac wants my Archos player but obviously he wants drivers for USB V1.1 |
| 13:31:26 | domonoky | linux has those archos usb drivers included, but i dont know about mac ? |
| 13:31:39 | webguest12 | I have no idea what OSX needs with regards to Archos JBR v1 usb1.1 drivers |
| 13:31:41 | linuxstb | I would simply try it - as domonoky said, maybe the drivers are included... |
| 13:33:02 | webguest12 | hmm, yep but i want to be prepared for what if it doesn't, windows needs specific drivers so I'm assuming that OSX does as well, or is apple that good ? :-> |
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| 15:46:49 | JdGordon | *phew* kept the table green :D |
| 15:47:02 | JdGordon | apart from the not green bits :p |
| 15:48:46 | JdGordon | linuxstb: can set_viewport(), clear_viewport() and stop_Scroll() all be merged into 1 call? |
| 15:49:39 | JdGordon | and would there be any point doing that? or would it use just as much bin doing that as it would just doing the 3 calls seperatly |
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| 16:00:11 | JdGordon | stuff* |
| 16:02:20 | JdGordon | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! forgot to fix the #include! |
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| 16:04:00 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Doesn't clear_viewport call stop_scroll already? |
| 16:04:23 | JdGordon | I dont know... |
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| 16:05:01 | linuxstb | Yes, it does. (checking the code) |
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| 16:12:22 | Clix2 | Hey. does anyone know if there is a rockbox firmware upgrade so that the Clix 2 can read FLAC files? |
| 16:12:32 | JdGordon | there isnt |
| 16:12:43 | Clix2 | oh ok |
| 16:12:56 | Clix2 | Are there any plans for doing it? |
| 16:13:14 | JdGordon | ports arnt planned... they just happen (if they happen) |
| 16:13:49 | Clix2 | oh right, ok. FInally, do you know of any other.. program of sorts that allows that? |
| 16:14:30 | JdGordon | no, but isnt the clix 2gb? wouldnt mp3/ogg be better for it anyway? |
| 16:14:39 | linuxstb | Yes, a program that converts FLAC to a format the Clix can play... |
| 16:14:46 | Clix2 | no, it's the clix 2 8gb |
| 16:15:12 | Clix2 | linux, but the point of me wanting FLAC is just because it's lossless.. |
| 16:15:30 | JdGordon | then no.. your out of luck |
| 16:15:53 | Clix2 | ok. thx for your help |
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| 16:28:57 | Xqtftqx | Guys, Can i run a gigabeat F theme on the S? |
| 16:29:09 | Xqtftqx | the screen size is the same, i think |
| 16:29:38 | Xqtftqx | Ill try it in the simulator |
| 16:30:40 | linuxstb | Yes, they should work. |
| 16:33:12 | Xqtftqx | yep |
| 16:33:14 | Xqtftqx | they work |
| 16:33:47 | Xqtftqx | Man, the graphics engine for the gigabeat needs some work |
| 16:34:02 | Xqtftqx | Hmmm... Im gonna look at it |
| 16:34:07 | Xqtftqx | see if i can fix anything |
| 16:34:16 | linuxstb | ? |
| 16:35:02 | Xqtftqx | LCD Driver*, Sorry |
| 16:35:20 | linuxstb | What's the problem? |
| 16:35:26 | Xqtftqx | It needs work |
| 16:35:46 | Xqtftqx | Doom wont run because its to low, RockBoy barely runs anythings. |
| 16:36:13 | Xqtftqx | For the S |
| 16:37:21 | Xqtftqx | 30% |
| 16:39:51 | Xqtftqx | What theme do you like for the F? |
| 16:47:16 | linuxstb | I just use the default - I don't care much about themes. |
| 16:47:30 | soap | Cabbie |
| 16:47:49 | Xqtftqx | K |
| 16:48:06 | Xqtftqx | I am probly gonna use Cabbie, i just want to see how pen and paper looks |
| 16:48:53 | Xqtftqx | Hey i got a question, when a new bootloaders realsed, can i boot rockbox into usb mode and put the nk.bin onto the firmware partion without erasing any data? |
| 16:50:14 | Xqtftqx | oh linux, the backdrops work and fonts for for the F on the S but the playing screens messed up |
| 16:50:25 | bertrik | any lithium charging experts online? |
| 16:51:01 | Xqtftqx | i know some stuff |
| 16:51:06 | Xqtftqx | im not a expert |
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| 16:52:00 | n1s | Xqtftqx: re bootloader: yes you can |
| 16:52:15 | Xqtftqx | K thanks |
| 16:52:31 | Xqtftqx | I just got to remember to use a multiboot one |
| 16:53:16 | Xqtftqx | Wow im suprised with the battery life for just playing audo with the screen off |
| 16:53:36 | Xqtftqx | its been about 12 hours |
| 16:53:43 | Xqtftqx | and its on 72 |
| 16:54:02 | bertrik | Xqtftqx: do you know if it's harmful for a lithium battery to leave it connected to a charger in voltage-limit mode, at say 4.1V? |
| 16:54:24 | Xqtftqx | depends |
| 16:54:37 | Xqtftqx | How much was the battery ment to take in |
| 16:54:54 | Xqtftqx | That Number and anything below that is safe |
| 16:55:47 | bertrik | Depends on what? It's a 750 mAh battery (for the e200) or a 530 mAh battery (for the c200). |
| 16:56:07 | Xqtftqx | Hmmmm.... |
| 16:56:51 | Xqtftqx | Im not sure |
| 16:56:57 | bertrik | The problem is that the charger has an end-of-charge signal, but it is only signaled when charging from partially discharged state. If the battery is already at say 4.0V, it never kicks in so the charger stays on at 4.1V (don't know the current at that point though) |
| 16:58:23 | Xqtftqx | Thats kinda odd, but do you need it equactly at 100% charged? |
| 16:59:31 | bertrik | I guess 90% is OK too, especially if this lessens the wear on the battery |
| 16:59:49 | domonoky | bertrik: isnt charging handled in hardware on a c200 or e200 ? |
| 17:00 |
| 17:01:40 | bertrik | domonoky: partially it seems, there is a charging circuit with current and voltage limits, under/overvoltage protection, high-temperature protection. But the datasheet also says to turn off the charger whenever a certain end-of-charge bit becomes active. The problem is that this bit doesn't always become active even after charging for very long. |
| 17:01:50 | Xqtftqx | Hey guys, on the main page, i see things like "fixed yellow" what does this mean? |
| 17:02:22 | bertrik | Xqtftqx: it means there were compiler warnings which result in a yellow cell in the build table |
| 17:02:24 | domonoky | Xqtftqx: yellow means a warning of the compiler.. |
| 17:02:59 | Xqtftqx | Oh |
| 17:03:27 | Xqtftqx | Wheres the build table? |
| 17:03:45 | domonoky | http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi |
| 17:03:55 | Xqtftqx | Thanks |
| 17:05:23 | bertrik | domonoky: In some cases, the bit does become active, but too soon it seems. I wonder now if I have to bother with that bit at all, or just keep the charger switched on (I think that the charging current eventually tapers off to 0 anyway in voltage-limit mode) |
| 17:06:28 | Xqtftqx | Guys, can i run voice files on the S? |
| 17:06:41 | domonoky | i think leaving it on should be save,the charging circuit should handle it, but i am no expert.. |
| 17:06:57 | n1s | Xqtftqx: you should be able to but will have to create one yourself |
| 17:07:15 | domonoky | voice should work on the S... |
| 17:07:21 | Xqtftqx | K |
| 17:07:31 | n1s | i don't know if anyone has tested it though |
| 17:07:34 | domonoky | but the S is very new, so expect some errors.. :-) |
| 17:07:43 | Xqtftqx | I know |
| 17:07:50 | Xqtftqx | Ive found many many errors |
| 17:08:50 | Xqtftqx | Wheres the wiki page for creating voice files? |
| 17:08:54 | n1s | actually it already works nicely for me so a bit moore battery life and i'm happy :) |
| 17:09:13 | Xqtftqx | do i have to build the voice files from source? |
| 17:09:25 | n1s | Xqtftqx: what os are you on? |
| 17:09:32 | Xqtftqx | Windows |
| 17:09:37 | Xqtftqx | But ive got a vm if i need it |
| 17:09:52 | domonoky | how is bootloader installation for Gigabeat S going ? is there a method for windows ? (thinking about rbutil support).. |
| 17:10:08 | n1s | Xqtftqx: i'm no help then... |
| 17:10:16 | Xqtftqx | i put the bootloader on through windows |
| 17:10:21 | domonoky | Xqtftqx: you can create voicefiles with the buildsystem in cygwin on windows.. (and use spai5 voices) |
| 17:10:30 | Xqtftqx | Ok ill try |
| 17:10:47 | Xqtftqx | I chouldnt Download like the gigabeat F voices? |
| 17:10:57 | Xqtftqx | Whats the Diffrence? |
| 17:11:26 | domonoky | the language files are different (different strings) so also differen voice file.. |
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| 17:11:33 | n1s | there are different clips for different players so voice files need to be different |
| 17:11:45 | Xqtftqx | Ok |
| 17:11:53 | n1s | also there's a mechanism to prevent you from loading the wrong one |
| 17:12:08 | domonoky | so if you use the voicefile for a f on a S,you will hear sound, but it will speak wrong menu entrys.. |
| 17:12:18 | n1s | domonoky: no it will not load |
| 17:12:22 | Xqtftqx | It wont |
| 17:12:28 | Xqtftqx | I tried it earlier today |
| 17:12:40 | Xqtftqx | Is there a wiki page for creating voice files? |
| 17:13:04 | n1s | Xqtftqx: you could try searching |
| 17:13:13 | Xqtftqx | I tried and chouldnt find anything |
| 17:13:17 | domonoky | Xqtftqx: its really easy with the buildsystem, just configure for voice, and run "make voice" .. |
| 17:13:29 | Xqtftqx | Oh realy? |
| 17:13:37 | Xqtftqx | ill go and take a look |
| 17:13:38 | * | n1s uses google -> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceFiles |
| 17:13:57 | Xqtftqx | Lol thanks |
| 17:14:26 | domonoky | this one is better.. :-) http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceBuilding |
| 17:14:43 | n1s | yeah but that's linked from the one i posted ;) |
| 17:14:48 | Xqtftqx | That may help a little more |
| 17:15:30 | Xqtftqx | Dang, i have to make my own wav files |
| 17:16:01 | n1s | Xqtftqx: that's what you use a tts engine for |
| 17:16:03 | domonoky | Xqtftqx: read better... there are TTS engines.. |
| 17:16:16 | Xqtftqx | I was getting there... |
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| 17:20:57 | Xqtftqx | Awwww... Its not worth it, |
| 17:21:29 | * | n1s got curious and tries it ;) |
| 17:21:37 | n1s | on the beast that is |
| 17:21:49 | Xqtftqx | can i have a copy if you dont mind? |
| 17:21:54 | n1s | sure |
| 17:21:57 | Xqtftqx | Plus im running vista |
| 17:22:03 | Xqtftqx | Thanks |
| 17:23:12 | n1s | hmm, warnings in wavtrim and voicefont |
| 17:23:33 | Xqtftqx | theres warnings in a whole bunch of stuff for the S |
| 17:24:16 | n1s | Xqtftqx: these are general utilities and the same for every target but where are there warnings for the S ? |
| 17:24:43 | Xqtftqx | I get them all the time when compiling |
| 17:24:56 | Xqtftqx | its probly because i dont have the apps |
| 17:25:02 | Xqtftqx | i use the rockbox vm |
| 17:25:11 | Xqtftqx | i can compile rockbox |
| 17:25:13 | Xqtftqx | but not the bootloader |
| 17:26:50 | n1s | yup, voice works fine on the beast |
| 17:27:11 | n1s | Xqtftqx: http://home.student.uu.se/niwa5341/english.voice |
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| 17:29:53 | * | jhMikeS just enabled write buffer on the device memory section in the S and it helps immensely with frame speed (no dropped mpegplayer frames) |
| 17:31:02 | Xqtftqx | thanks n1s |
| 17:31:14 | jhMikeS | Xqtftqx: Thanks for the heads up. crt0.S memory setup wasn't complete. |
| 17:31:26 | Xqtftqx | What heads up? |
| 17:31:54 | Xqtftqx | For the LCD driver? |
| 17:32:36 | jhMikeS | the driver code is fine - it was the memory setup. |
| 17:32:59 | jhMikeS | just had to enable write buffering to the 1MB section |
| 17:33:03 | Xqtftqx | oh |
| 17:33:12 | Xqtftqx | is it in the svn? |
| 17:33:43 | n1s | jhMikeS: that's great :) do we use the l2 cache in the imx31? |
| 17:34:12 | Xqtftqx | Also the sound in rockboy is horrid! |
| 17:34:27 | n1s | Xqtftqx: that is not specific to the S |
| 17:34:44 | Xqtftqx | It was fine on my F |
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| 17:35:14 | jhMikeS | n1s: yes |
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| 17:35:20 | n1s | it's horrible on h300 at least... but maybe it has to do with speed |
| 17:35:20 | jhMikeS | Xqtftqx: shortly |
| 17:35:30 | jhMikeS | and it will need a bl replacement |
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| 17:35:46 | Xqtftqx | jhMikeS: Is it in the memory setup thing in the svn? |
| 17:36:08 | jhMikeS | Xqtftqx: no, I'm going to commit the change |
| 17:36:28 | Xqtftqx | Ok, will that fix the doom plugin? |
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| 17:38:30 | Xqtftqx | Hey jsMikeS can you compile me a build with the fix? ive been having some troubles building |
| 17:38:56 | BigBambi | Xqtftqx: you will see when things get fixed by the commits on the front page. Please stop bothering people with pointless questions, and for the last time PLEASE DO *NOT* use the enter key as punctuation |
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| 17:39:55 | BigBambi | Xqtftqx: If you read the IRC logs for the last few days, there is somewhere you can download the SVN S build from, it just isn't linked to from the site yet, as the port isn't ready for general use |
| 17:39:56 | Xqtftqx | Sorry, ill stop using the enter key, i promise |
| 17:41:34 | Xqtftqx | Isnt it on the install page? http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-gigabeats/rockbox.zip |
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| 17:42:12 | BigBambi | Also, the fact that things like rockboy and doom do not work properly yet is of low importance - Rockbox is meant primarily for music playback |
| 17:43:01 | BigBambi | Xqtftqx: That is what I meant, but it isn't linked to from anywhere, such as build.rockbox.org |
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| 17:50:26 | Xqtftqx | BibBambi its on the gigabeatSInstall wiki page |
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| 17:52:40 | Xqtftqx | n1s, to enable the voice i put the file in the lang dir and go into settings>General>voice>Voice Menus=yes correct? |
| 17:52:52 | n1s | yes |
| 17:52:54 | Xqtftqx | Oh wait, its working now |
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| 17:55:53 | Xqtftqx | Guys, how did compile the multiboot bootloader? I have the orginal nk.bin |
| 17:56:04 | BigBambi | you use mknkboot |
| 17:56:29 | Xqtftqx | mknkboot nk.bin(orginal) nk.bin(rockbox) |
| 17:56:48 | n1s | Xqtftqx: how to patch nk.bin with the rockbox bootlader is described in the GigabeatSInfo page in the wiki |
| 17:56:50 | BigBambi | see the wiki page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatSInfo |
| 17:57:09 | Xqtftqx | Ok thank you |
| 17:57:47 | Xqtftqx | Sorry but, where is it on that page? |
| 17:58:04 | BigBambi | Xqtftqx: why not just read it? |
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| 17:58:47 | BigBambi | It is a linux tool, so I suspect under the installation from linux section |
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| 17:59:00 | BigBambi | Or rather, loading code from linux |
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| 18:00:39 | Xqtftqx | im looking at that |
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| 18:01:52 | Xqtftqx | oh wait i see, i was confusing rockbox bootloader and eboot.bin |
| 18:02:09 | BigBambi | eboot.bin is nothing to do with it |
| 18:04:27 | Xqtftqx | so the rockbox nk.bin is considered the boot file? |
| 18:05:18 | BigBambi | nk.bin produced by building the bootloader is the rockbox bootloader |
| 18:05:29 | Xqtftqx | Ok, thanks |
| 18:05:57 | soap | Worth my while to update the iPod bootloader on my devices? |
| 18:06:11 | soap | I haven't updated since the "must" upgrade. |
| 18:06:14 | BigBambi | Xqtftqx: If you want to use mknkboot to patch the original nk.bin to produce a dualboot bootloader, you need to use bootloader/bootloader.bin, as that page says |
| 18:07:08 | BigBambi | Xqtftqx: the nk.bin that is built is the rockbox bootloader only, it is not dual boot |
| 18:07:17 | Xqtftqx | i know |
| 18:07:47 | BigBambi | .... |
| 18:08:40 | n1s | any flyspray admin people around? recently i've been getting a blank page when trying to search for "All task types" |
| 18:09:40 | Xqtftqx | Ok so im just checking, the link above (http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-gigabeats/rockbox.zip) already had the 1MB patch thing? |
| 18:09:46 | BigBambi | soap: which must upgrade? |
| 18:10:03 | BigBambi | the newest one yes, it depends when you downloaded it |
| 18:10:47 | BigBambi | @ Xqtftqx |
| 18:11:03 | Xqtftqx | Ok, im gonna download it now |
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| 18:11:26 | soap | BigBambi, the "must" upgrade over a year ago when you had to upgrade. |
| 18:11:41 | BigBambi | Xqtftqx: you don't need to tell us everything you are doing. This is a logged development and support channel, and we would like to keep the logs as clean as possible |
| 18:11:51 | BigBambi | soap: In that case, I'd say yes :) |
| 18:12:02 | soap | what do I gain? |
| 18:12:13 | BigBambi | I think you just run ipodpatcher again |
| 18:12:17 | BigBambi | or rbutil |
| 18:12:18 | BigBambi | :) |
| 18:12:46 | BigBambi | heh, disregard that, I read "What do I do again" and thought it was a little joke :) |
| 18:13:52 | BigBambi | soap: I'm sorry, I seem to have misunderstood - I read "I haven't updated since the "must" upgrade." as not having upgraded since before it |
| 18:14:02 | BigBambi | Which thinking about it can't be true for you |
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| 18:14:18 | BigBambi | And so if it is already that, I don't know if there is any point |
| 18:16:24 | * | jhMikeS screams at powermgmt.c |
| 18:16:45 | Xqtftqx | I know, stupid thing wont charge inside rockbox! |
| 18:16:58 | jhMikeS | I know it won't |
| 18:17:14 | BigBambi | Xqtftqx: jhMikeS is the main dev working on the beast |
| 18:17:15 | jhMikeS | it's an #ifdef hell |
| 18:17:15 | linuxstb | soap: I can't recall any useful bootloader changes for the ipod - unless you want the bootloader logo... |
| 18:17:36 | BigBambi | Xqtftqx: but powermgmt.c is for other targets too |
| 18:17:48 | Xqtftqx | Oh, sorry |
| 18:17:51 | jhMikeS | the beast needs a completely new algorithm and it's not accomodating to adding that |
| 18:17:53 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: You're not the first to observe that... I seem to recall amiconn saying he wanted to rewrite it |
| 18:18:09 | Xqtftqx | I have to switch into toshiba firmware to charge |
| 18:18:30 | BigBambi | Xqtftqx: We know. PLEASE stop pointing out the known on a not-finished port |
| 18:18:36 | BigBambi | It is getting very tiresome now |
| 18:18:47 | Xqtftqx | Sorry, i wasnt telling anybody |
| 18:18:49 | jhMikeS | I might have to do a fresh write and see about merging back upwards |
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| 18:19:13 | BigBambi | Xqtftqx: this isn't a social channel, unless you have something useful to add, don't |
| 18:19:35 | Xqtftqx | Alright, ill stop |
| 18:20:42 | Xqtftqx | jhMikeS: Acullary The S charges a little inside rockbox. |
| 18:20:52 | BigBambi | Xqtftqx: !!!!! |
| 18:20:56 | BigBambi | HE KNOWS |
| 18:21:24 | jhMikeS | if anyone wishes to figure out how/where the framebuffer address is setup it would be great because the memory mapping isn't flat because of it being at 1MB in physical RAM. Gotta be in the IPU-SDI somewhere. |
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| 18:22:03 | soap | hmm, bootloader logo, let me look at that bitmap. |
| 18:22:10 | * | bluebrother notices conflicts in his rbutil folder :/ |
| 18:24:45 | barrywardell_ | soap, linuxstb there's no bootloader logo in the ipods (yet?) |
| 18:25:06 | linuxstb | Ah no... |
| 18:25:23 | bluebrother | domonoky: regarding rbzip.cpp: wouldn't it be better to make it like rbunzip −− don't depend on the logger but only emit signals which are connected outside? |
| 18:25:31 | barrywardell_ | it would be easy to add if that's desired... |
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| 18:26:33 | linuxstb | barrywardell_: I wouldn't go as far as saying I desire it, but we may as well add it. |
| 18:26:36 | soap | with glass effects and reflections! |
| 18:26:53 | fml | When my Sansa c250 boots I can see the line 'Model: e200'. Is that correct? Isn't that confusing? |
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| 18:30:21 | barrywardell_ | fml: do you mean 'Model id: e200'? |
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| 18:32:12 | fml | barrywardell_: probably yes, I don't have the device at hand now. |
| 18:32:44 | Xqtftqx | http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot001ho4.png |
| 18:32:57 | Xqtftqx | "http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot001ho4.png" can somebody look at those errors |
| 18:33:18 | Xqtftqx | Sorry, guys im trying to put a link, to a image, http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot001ho4 |
| 18:33:30 | Xqtftqx | put a ".png" on the end of that |
| 18:33:39 | BigBambi | XavierGr: please paste the text output into something like www.pastebin.ca |
| 18:33:48 | BigBambi | sorry, Xqtftqx |
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| 18:34:03 | barrywardell_ | fml: strange. I can't see why that would be from looking at the code |
| 18:34:54 | linuxstb | Can anyone explain what I'm doing wrong with this ARM assembly? http://www.pastebin.ca/1014857 |
| 18:35:00 | fml | barrywardell_: but do you also find it confusing? Or is something different meant by this string? |
| 18:35:05 | Xqtftqx | http://tinyurl.com/422dul |
| 18:35:15 | Xqtftqx | I need some help with those errors |
| 18:35:30 | BigBambi | Xqtftqx: please paste the text output into www.pastebin.ca |
| 18:35:52 | Xqtftqx | how can i copy it from the vm? |
| 18:36:05 | fml | barrywardell_: and another question: when booting Sansa e200, I see no text output, but for c200 I see some. Is it possible to hide it and to show the logo only? |
| 18:36:15 | BigBambi | Xqtftqx: you need vmtools, check google |
| 18:36:35 | Xqtftqx | ok... |
| 18:36:58 | barrywardell_ | fml: i think it should be c200, but can't see why not from looking at the code |
| 18:37:26 | fml | barrywardell_: what file is it? |
| 18:37:48 | barrywardell_ | fml: what text output do you see? the booting should be fairly identical on e200 and c200 |
| 18:38:28 | barrywardell_ | fml: line 1535 and 1542 of tools/configure |
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| 18:39:54 | fml | barrywardell_: does the bootloader for e200 also work for c200? |
| 18:40:19 | linuxstb | It's a different LCD driver for a start. |
| 18:40:49 | fml | I 'infected' my c200 with rockbox via RbUtil. Could it be that the wrong bootloader was installed? |
| 18:40:57 | fml | linuxstb: ah... |
| 18:41:23 | toffe82 | for the ones interested, I upload the block diagram of the philips gogear 6330 on the wiki |
| 18:43:04 | fml | barrywardell_: I can't tell exactly what output it is since I dont' have the player now. But I remember very clearly that I've seen e200 there. |
| 18:47:11 | barrywardell_ | fml: i think you should try updating to the latest bootloader and see if that fixes things |
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| 18:47:32 | Xqtftqx | Failed to merge target specific data with libgcc.a |
| 18:47:42 | Xqtftqx | What does that mean? i keep getting that error |
| 18:47:50 | barrywardell_ | fml: also, there hasn't actually been a bootloader released with the boot logo |
| 18:49:04 | Buschel | hmm, there are lots of flyspray entries doubled. like all the feature requests for pitch... |
| 18:49:21 | Buschel | shall close of the doublettes? |
| 18:49:38 | Buschel | oops, an "I" was missing |
| 18:49:39 | bluebrother | Buschel: go closing them ;-) |
| 18:49:56 | bluebrother | duplicates are boring and annoying ... |
| 18:50:19 | linuxstb | Xqtftqx: It means you're running the wrong arm-elf-gcc - you need one with the "multilibs patch". The current rockboxdev.sh script will build one. |
| 18:50:33 | Buschel | also: FS #1889 (mpeglpayer scrollbar) is implemented, correct? |
| 18:50:59 | Xqtftqx | wheres the rockboxdev.sh in the svn? |
| 18:51:14 | BigBambi | /tools/rockboxdev.sh |
| 18:51:19 | Xqtftqx | k thanks |
| 18:51:27 | linuxstb | find . -name rockboxdev.sh |
| 18:52:36 | Xqtftqx | what do i do with rockboxdev.sh? (sorry im confused) |
| 18:52:38 | linuxstb | Buschel: That's not mpegplayer, it's the video plugin for Archos devices |
| 18:53:02 | * | Buschel was too fast then |
| 18:53:15 | linuxstb | Buschel: You only asked the question 2 minutes ago... |
| 18:55:07 | jhMikeS | FS #1889? I don't think mpegplayer existed before FS #5k-6k. ;) |
| 18:55:46 | linuxstb | Yes, task opened in 2003... |
| 18:55:58 | n1s | Xqtftqx: you run it... |
| 18:56:00 | * | Buschel just again was reminded to read precisely |
| 18:56:07 | Xqtftqx | it says command not found |
| 18:56:24 | n1s | ./ before |
| 18:56:29 | Xqtftqx | Ok |
| 18:56:52 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Can you help me with this? http://www.pastebin.ca/1014857 I'm not sure if the "bne" instruction is being compiled correctly... |
| 18:57:04 | domonoky | bluebrother: how is your bootloader install rework going ? :-) |
| 18:58:25 | bluebrother | domonoky: well, it's progressing. Unfortunately it's rather slow. |
| 18:58:29 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: ok |
| 18:58:33 | Nico_P | bluebrother: re r17460 (convert to unix line endings): is this cosmetic, or is there a requirement for unix EOLs even on windows? |
| 18:58:50 | barrywardell_ | linuxstb, soap: don't have an ipod to test on, but this shoot add the bootloader logo for ipods: http://pastebin.ca/1014887 |
| 18:59:01 | fml | barrywardell_: I completely installed rockbox two days ago, so I think that the BL is quite up to date |
| 18:59:14 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: were you by any chance inclined to try without the ata lock hack? :) I wonder if amiconn's commit takes care of the problem. |
| 18:59:16 | Xqtftqx | Ok guys its downloading |
| 18:59:47 | bluebrother | Nico_P: this is only cosmetic. But svn should convert them to windows line endings if you check the file out on a windows box (read: using a windows build of svn) |
| 18:59:56 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I could test, yeah. could you remind me where and how to disable the hack? |
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| 19:00:28 | Nico_P | bluebrother: you need to set svn:eolstyle for that. I'm in the proces of doing it |
| 19:00:45 | barrywardell_ | fml: in that case, I'm not sure what's happening. i do know that the bootloaders should work the same on c200 and e200 though |
| 19:00:55 | BigBambi | Xqtftqx: I'm really serious now - I have asked you many times, and you keep ignoring it. Don't tell us exactly what you are doing all the time. Go and read the posting guidelines again before saying anything else |
| 19:00:57 | bluebrother | Nico_P: I thought this is the default if not set? |
| 19:01:00 | linuxstb | barrywardell_: Shouldn't the "lcd_clear_display" happen immediately after show_logo() ? So all the messages are displayed in case of error? |
| 19:01:18 | Nico_P | bluebrother: I think the default is rather to not touch the files at all |
| 19:01:31 | jhMikeS | #if 0 thread.c line 164 and ata.c line 74 |
| 19:01:44 | bluebrother | hmm. Ok, I had something different in my head. But maybe my memory is wrong ;-) |
| 19:01:54 | bluebrother | maybe I should check the svn manual ... one day ;-) |
| 19:02:17 | barrywardell_ | linuxstb: it happens before the first message is printed |
| 19:02:38 | barrywardell_ | so we shouldn't miss any messages |
| 19:02:39 | linuxstb | barrywardell_: But IIUC, only if the user has forced on the messages. Not if the messages are displayed because of error. |
| 19:02:43 | Nico_P | bluebrother: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.4/svn.advanced.props.file-portability.html#svn.advanced.props.special.eol-style |
| 19:02:59 | n1s | bluebrother, Nico_P: if a file has svn:eol-style set to 'native' it will be chaecked out with CRLF on windows and LF on *nix |
| 19:03:13 | fml | barrywardell_: is it somehow possible to capture the output of the bootloader? I could then post it for the further analysis. |
| 19:03:37 | Nico_P | n1s: yes. it's the default behaviour when svn:eolstyle isn't set that we're not sure about |
| 19:03:56 | * | Nico_P is preparing a commit to set svn:eolstyle on the files |
| 19:03:59 | n1s | Nico_P: aha, i misread :/ |
| 19:04:17 | linuxstb | barrywardell_: i.e. the case where fatal_error() is called. |
| 19:04:37 | jhMikeS | isn't it "svn:eol-style" ? afaics the property was set on most stuff after the move to CVS. |
| 19:04:51 | bluebrother | Nico_P: thanks. I thought it defaulted to the opposite. |
| 19:05:02 | jhMikeS | *from CVS |
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| 19:05:34 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: you're right, it's svn:eol-style, I mistyped as usual :) it's not set on rbutil files ATM |
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| 19:05:46 | barrywardell_ | linuxstb: hmmm. true. there's the same problem with the other pp bootloaders. but I didn't notice because there was enough printed to cover the logo completely |
| 19:05:56 | Nico_P | thankfully SVN's tab completion is very complete |
| 19:06:20 | soap | FWIW, if the rockboxlogo.<W>x<H>x<D>.bmp is larger than expected the build errors out. |
| 19:06:23 | barrywardell_ | fml: you could compile your own and add in some sleep(5*HZ) to make it pause for 5 seconds |
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| 19:07:09 | fml | barrywardell_: and then? Type it off the screen? Or write to a file? Or make a screen dump? |
| 19:07:59 | barrywardell_ | yeah, copy it down from the screen. the sleep will just give you more time |
| 19:08:34 | barrywardell_ | soap: yeah, that's known. the bootloader has to be small enough to fit in iram |
| 19:09:12 | bluebrother | domonoky: what do you think about removing the "save backup" for non-automated install and placing a checkbox on the dialog? |
| 19:09:34 | domonoky | bluebrother: sounds good.. |
| 19:09:38 | bluebrother | also, the backup could decide (or at least propose) a filename based on the revision string found in rockbox-info.txt |
| 19:09:55 | domonoky | good idea.. |
| 19:09:57 | bluebrother | users will use arbitrary stuff and only tend to confuse themselves ;-) |
| 19:10:02 | soap | linuxstb, the ipodpatcher command to install the non-built-in bootloader? |
| 19:10:31 | bluebrother | my idea is something like backup to /.backups/rockbox-backup-r12345.zip and only tell the user where he finds the backup |
| 19:10:38 | Nico_P | domonoky, bluebrother: does rbutilqt.rc need to have CRLF (windows) line terminators? |
| 19:10:41 | bluebrother | we're writing to the player anyway. |
| 19:11:06 | bluebrother | Nico_P: I don't know for sure, but I think it doesn't make a difference (at least for MinGW) |
| 19:11:08 | domonoky | bluebrother: so dont ask for the filename ? |
| 19:11:21 | bluebrother | domonoky: yes, that was my idea. |
| 19:12:01 | bluebrother | we could do the same for backing up the bootloader on mi4 devices −− just tell the user the backup is placed in /.backup on the player and advice him to copy that to a safe location (like to a CD) |
| 19:12:41 | soap | linuxstb, if I'm understanding the wiki page right it would just be "ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod"? |
| 19:12:48 | bluebrother | while I don't like rbutil not asking for the bootloader backup as it's working right now I think it would be easier for the build backup |
| 19:13:27 | bluebrother | well, we could of course add a (hidden) selector to the dialog that allows putting in the backup filename and put in the proposed filename initially |
| 19:13:54 | bluebrother | and once the user enables the "create backup of old rockbox installation" unhide that selector. |
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| 19:14:20 | linuxstb | soap: Yes |
| 19:14:23 | domonoky | sounds good, i will try it for the normal rockbox install... |
| 19:17:40 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: what's wrong with the code? you suspect an assembler bug? |
| 19:17:57 | bluebrother | oh, and did you notice my comment about rbzip.cpp? |
| 19:18:13 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I'm just confused, as it appears to be giving two different disassemblies for the same bytes (0x1a000001) |
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| 19:19:02 | linuxstb | I guess I should find an ARM reference manual and check for myself... |
| 19:19:02 | soap | hmm, new bootloader seems to fail to load Apple firmware with the hold-switch trick. |
| 19:19:45 | linuxstb | soap: Does it work if you restore ipodpatcher's internal bootloader? |
| 19:19:49 | jhMikeS | 1a000001 looks like a branch forward by 8 bytes |
| 19:19:56 | jhMikeS | the 2nd looks correct |
| 19:20:04 | soap | linuxstb, just one sec. |
| 19:20:07 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Yes, which seems wrong (based on my original assembler) |
| 19:20:48 | jhMikeS | if should be 1afffffe or something |
| 19:22:27 | soap | linuxstb, the version 2.0 bootloader internal to ipodpatcher seems to work ok. |
| 19:22:35 | Nico_P | bluebrother: committed |
| 19:22:46 | jhMikeS | now with write buffering enabled I get 480fps/1705.5fps RGB and 113fps and 448fps YUV at 264MHz |
| 19:22:48 | linuxstb | soap: Hmm... It seems easy to upset the Apple firmware. |
| 19:23:23 | linuxstb | soap: Is this with the bootloader bitmap patch? |
| 19:23:41 | soap | I'm going to try again to make sure I didn't mess up the install (yes this is with the bootloader bitmap patch) |
| 19:23:42 | n1s | jhMikeS: up from what? |
| 19:24:03 | soap | bitmap works fine, error text appears fine |
| 19:24:08 | jhMikeS | 444.5/1329.5,62.5/248.5 |
| 19:24:12 | linuxstb | soap: It could also be worth testing plain SVN. I have a feeling the bitmap may be overwriting something useful in IRAM that upsets the Apple firmware. |
| 19:24:37 | n1s | wow |
| 19:25:08 | soap | can do. |
| 19:27:46 | * | jhMikeS doesn't seem to see a gigabeat F/X test on that framerate page |
| 19:28:43 | soap | linuxstb, vanilla SVN works fine. |
| 19:29:56 | soap | Just in the name of full disclosure - I did tell rbconf I had a 64MB ipod video, not the default 32 - but that works in SVN, just not with barrywardell_'s patch. (which appears to do all but load Apple firmware) |
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| 19:30:45 | soap | I need to go run some errands |
| 19:31:02 | linuxstb | soap: Did you try a 32MB build with barry's patch? |
| 19:31:29 | webguest99 | can anyone direct me to where i can get the automatic installer for a 30GB iPod Video?? |
| 19:31:47 | linuxstb | webguest99: It's linked in the install section in the Rockbox manual. |
| 19:32:46 | webguest99 | I don't see it in there |
| 19:32:50 | Buschel | a fix for FS #5162 is quite easy 1 line of code for iPods and same for e200. is this wanted or will this somehow interfere with sending scrollevents via event? it is already part of the patch FS #8668 |
| 19:33:22 | BigBambi | webguest99: I do: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-100002.3.1 |
| 19:33:23 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I've disabled the hack and I'm not experiencing the responsiveness issues I used to have without it |
| 19:33:33 | bluebrother | Nico_P: thanks |
| 19:33:39 | webguest99 | thank you |
| 19:33:43 | * | barrywardell_ suspects linuxstb is right about the overwriting useful stuff in iram. the patch doesn't do anything else that could be causing problems. |
| 19:34:04 | BigBambi | webguest99: That is the manual I linked to |
| 19:34:05 | linuxstb | barrywardell_: I know the OF bootloader puts some stuff at the end of IRAM, we just ignore that fact for now though... |
| 19:35:41 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: so you think it's safe to get rid of now? :) |
| 19:35:48 | bluebrother | hmm, is the tracker broken? I can view tasks but the tasklist gives me only an empty page |
| 19:36:26 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: it looks like it :) |
| 19:37:20 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: does it actually make sense? |
| 19:38:45 | jhMikeS | yes, because mutex use can sleep the processor but the old spinlock thing cannot and the issue came when sleeping the core and issuing ata commands before power has stablized |
| 19:39:23 | jhMikeS | it would just freeze up for a bit in the interrupt wait |
| 19:39:33 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:39:55 | * | jhMikeS has to run out for a couple hrs |
| 19:40:19 | barrywardell_ | bluebrother: it's just the main tracker page at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/. all the rest works still |
| 19:48:36 | Xqtftqx | Hey guys, for the gigabeat s splash, whats the dimensions? |
| 19:49:15 | webguest99 | BigBambi: Thank you. |
| 19:49:40 | BigBambi | webguest99: no problems :) |
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| 19:51:17 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I found my problem - it was caused by me using "arm-elf-objcopy" to extract the binary code. I need to run it through the linker first, then extract the binary code... It then changes the instruction to 0x1afffffd, which is correct. |
| 19:52:52 | webguest99 | Anyone know of a site where I can get LEGAL roms from? |
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| 19:53:17 | scorche | webguest99: google...this isnt the place to ask about ROMs, really |
| 19:53:24 | scorche | Xqtftqx: `look in the code... |
| 19:53:25 | webguest99 | Oh okay |
| 19:53:30 | webguest99 | My bad |
| 19:55:41 | webguest99 | I just installed the base wad for rockdoom, but for someone reason whenever I go and try to run it, it says that i'm missing the base wad |
| 19:56:50 | webguest99 | Anyone know what I should do? |
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| 19:57:30 | scorche | check to make sure that you did it exactly as the instructions tell you? |
| 19:57:51 | webguest99 | I did. |
| 19:59:06 | webguest99 | I think I figured out what I did wrong. |
| 19:59:52 | webguest99 | Nevermind |
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| 20:00:00 | webguest99 | It's still not working. |
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| 20:06:39 | bluebrother | webguest99: try rbutil −− it can install the base wad for you |
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| 20:07:17 | webguest99 | Bluebrother: Where can I get that from? |
| 20:08:18 | * | linuxstb manages to insert about a 5-second delay loop in his Clip's firmware, without bricking it ;) |
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| 20:11:06 | Bagder | linuxstb: you rock! that's just great |
| 20:11:07 | kugel | linuxstb: Nice! |
| 20:11:22 | advcomp2019 | linuxstb, very nice |
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| 20:12:07 | kugel | Bagder: Would be nice if you commit http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8980 |
| 20:12:19 | kugel | Bagder: Just type and clean up |
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| 20:12:55 | kugel | Bagder: Especially the last hunk, I'm not sure how these 8 light got there, or why I forgot to remove them |
| 20:15:54 | fxb | Bagder: do have the S5L8700 datasheet? |
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| 20:17:00 | * | kugel wonders why the build server aren't updated to use command line options of tools/configure yet! |
| 20:17:36 | Bagder | why would it? |
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| 20:21:37 | Bagder | I probably have around 10 scripts doing the same stunt |
| 20:23:22 | Bagder | what's the objdump -m switch for big endian arm? |
| 20:23:57 | domonoky | bluebroth3r: i commited an improvement to rbutils backup, take a look if you like it more now.. :-) |
| 20:24:46 | kugel | how's 25s to build a e200 build? |
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| 20:25:02 | kugel | just installed ccache, major speed up |
| 20:27:02 | Bagder | oh I bet I need to rebuild my tool chain to get that ability |
| 20:27:10 | kugel | 1 min w/o ccache |
| 20:28:14 | n1s | Bagder: something's wrong with the tracker, when trying to display a list of all tasks it gives an empty page like http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/ |
| 20:28:46 | kugel | insane |
| 20:28:58 | Bagder | Linus upgraded the PHP version on the server, I bet that's why |
| 20:29:11 | kugel | Why didn't I read something about ccache until today? =( |
| 20:29:13 | webguest99 | Anyone here familiar with Loader2Args? |
| 20:29:27 | kugel | webguest99: No, what's that? |
| 20:29:48 | kugel | webguest99: I just know that it's off-topic if it isn't related to rockbox |
| 20:30:09 | * | linuxstb commits his Sansa hacking experiments to SVN - utils/AMS/hacking/ |
| 20:30:17 | webguest99 | Its a bootloader that allows you to, when you start up your iPod, to choose what program to start first. |
| 20:30:25 | webguest99 | http://ipodlinux.org/Loader_2 |
| 20:30:25 | bluebroth3r | webguest99: rbutil is linked on the download page ... and loader2 is IPL, ask there. |
| 20:30:34 | bluebroth3r | we do not support loader2 |
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| 20:30:42 | webguest99 | Oh okay |
| 20:30:59 | Xqtftqx | mknboot (rockbox.bin) (orginal.bin) nk.bin |
| 20:31:07 | Xqtftqx | is that correct? or am i mixed up |
| 20:31:25 | n1s | Xqtftqx: try it the way suggested on the wikipage... |
| 20:32:56 | Bagder | ah for future reference: objdump's option for big-endian is -BE |
| 20:32:57 | Xqtftqx | and rockbox is the boot file? |
| 20:34:10 | n1s | Xqtftqx: bootloader.bin is what the bootloader file is named as that page says, when you use different terms than the documentation it is difficult to know what you are asking. |
| 20:34:28 | Xqtftqx | Ok, sorry, im good now |
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| 20:36:49 | bluebrother | domonoky: two issues: there is too much space in the backup group, and you missed inserting a / between mountpoint and backup path (I get "/tmp.backup/<filename>.zip, /tmp being my fake mountpoint) |
| 20:37:03 | kugel | Bagder: Did you look at my patch? |
| 20:37:11 | Bagder | yes |
| 20:37:44 | bluebrother | domonoky: also, I'd prefer to not show the location until the "Backup" checkbox is enabled. |
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| 20:38:17 | kugel | Bagder: It really shouldn't change any functionality, except possible issues which I didn't notice yet |
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| 20:39:09 | domonoky | bluebrother: i dont understand what you mean with the too much space, but i can fix the other two issues.. :-) |
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| 20:39:46 | bluebrother | domonoky: I meant not enough space ;-) |
| 20:40:03 | domonoky | ah, the path is too long ? |
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| 20:41:20 | bluebrother | that too, but its too heigh. |
| 20:41:21 | bluebrother | http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/snapshot3.jpg |
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| 20:42:41 | kugel | linuxstb: Double posts are bad ;) |
| 20:43:36 | linuxstb | kugel: It's OK, I triple-posted. |
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| 20:44:12 | kugel | linuxstb: evil! |
| 20:46:49 | * | Bagder added an objdump wiki page now for the next time I forget its options... |
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| 20:48:39 | Bagder | linuxstb: the size of the first block is stored at offset 0xc so we /should/ be able to change that |
| 20:49:02 | Bagder | but I guess it might hurt if other stuff depends on its size/placement |
| 20:49:30 | linuxstb | Bagder: Yes, that's the "FirmwareSize" field I've been modifying. |
| 20:49:56 | linuxstb | It's the actual size, not the padded size. |
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| 20:50:08 | Bagder | ah right |
| 20:50:31 | linuxstb | The value at 0x08 seems related - it's "padded size / 0x200". But I tried changing that, and it didn't work. |
| 20:50:56 | Bagder | ok |
| 20:51:15 | linuxstb | From the description atomicpunk put on the wiki, it seems that the value at 0x08 is also used for the size of other blocks, but I don't understand that... |
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| 20:51:28 | Bagder | me neither |
| 20:52:23 | linuxstb | But as long as we can write a bootloader in about 200 bytes, we'll be OK ;) |
| 20:52:30 | Bagder | hehe |
| 20:53:45 | domonoky | bluebrother: i commited another improvement.. :-) |
| 20:55:19 | * | Bagder got a nano2g bootloader image to disassemble |
| 20:55:40 | n1s | ! |
| 20:56:04 | n1s | Bagder: how did you get it? |
| 20:56:06 | Bagder | it is encrypted/scrambled apart from the initial branch and some other minor stuff |
| 20:59:21 | bertrik | linuxstb: not familiar with this kind of hack yet, but maybe you can write a little program that dumps the bootloader in 200 bytes? |
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| 21:00:00 | linuxstb | bertrik: What do you mean? |
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| 21:01:29 | barrywardell | linuxstb: don't know if it's related, but 0x200 is the block size for most disks |
| 21:02:38 | bertrik | I suppose there's a bootloader in the clip that loads the actual firmware and that one of the problems is that you don't know yet how exactly it loads the main firmware. Once you have a bootloader image, that should be easier to figure out. |
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| 21:07:24 | bluebrother | domonoky: you're only doing this to improve your commit count ;-) |
| 21:08:15 | domonoky | bluebrother: sure, as always commit count and fame is everything.. :-) |
| 21:08:57 | bluebrother | hehe. Much better now ... but is it (easily) possible to display elides in the backup file name when the space isn't enough? |
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| 21:11:26 | domonoky | hm, on windows the window resizes, so the filename always fits.... |
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| 21:12:27 | bluebrother | well, I can resize the window here. But it doesn't automatically do this (and I wouldn't like the window resizing because of a single string) |
| 21:14:43 | domonoky | well, i can shorten the filename if it is over X characters with leading dots.. suggest a good X.. :-) |
| 21:14:57 | Bagder | Guinness, disassembly and chocolate. what can be better on a warm Sunday evening? |
| 21:15:08 | soap | linuxstb, do you think it is a worthwhile experiment to build a "32MB" bootloader w/barrywardell's patch? |
| 21:15:43 | linuxstb | soap: Yes, I think so. All the ipod bootloader builds are 32MB, so maybe something assumes that. |
| 21:15:54 | soap | will do |
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| 21:17:33 | bluebrother | domonoky: well, the table class can automatically add elides if the title is too long. Isn't there something like that available? |
| 21:17:38 | petur | Bagder: sitting outside? |
| 21:18:41 | Bagder | no... I gotta be able to hear my son |
| 21:19:09 | * | petur plans to use a webcam for that ;) |
| 21:19:45 | Bagder | yeah, I can in fact use my "baby watcher" but I didn't bother today |
| 21:20:22 | soap | linuxstb, 32MB build exhibits the same issue, drive never stops running on an attempt to load Apple's firmware. |
| 21:20:30 | bluebrother | grrr. /me has a strange loop bug |
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| 21:24:03 | linuxstb | bertrik: Yes, getting a hold of that code might be helpful, but dumping it would require a disk/usb/something driver, which a) isn't written yet; and b) would be much more than 200 bytes. |
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| 21:25:52 | domonoky | bluebrother: it seems there is no automatic elide for QLabel .. so i would have to take a fixed char count, and shorten myself.. |
| 21:26:21 | bluebrother | domonoky: wouldn't feeding QString::frameWidth to QFontMetrics::elidedText work? |
| 21:26:32 | bertrik | linuxstb: for hacking powershot cameras the firmware data was blinked out through one of the LEDs on the camera, that might just fit in 200 bytes |
| 21:26:49 | * | domonoky checks.. |
| 21:27:16 | linuxstb | bertrik: I don't think we're at the stage for those kinds of hacks yet ;) |
| 21:27:30 | * | petur blinks |
| 21:28:00 | linuxstb | Anyone know how the wheel light works on the E200? Is it just a GPIO? |
| 21:28:00 | bluebrother | or QString::size and then the width property of the resulting QSize? |
| 21:29:03 | domonoky | bluebrother: this function looks promising, but i should you the width of the diplay label, and not of the string :-) |
| 21:29:04 | bertrik | linuxstb: it appears so |
| 21:29:10 | domonoky | s/you/use |
| 21:29:25 | bertrik | _button_light_on has GPIO_SET_BITWISE(GPIOG_OUTPUT_VAL, 0x80) |
| 21:29:48 | bluebrother | domonoky: well, I meant using the width of the label itself −− shouldn't that be the width of its display size? |
| 21:29:57 | * | bluebrother notices his typo |
| 21:29:59 | linuxstb | bertrik: Thanks, I just found that as well. |
| 21:30:20 | domonoky | bluebrother: :-) s/QString/QLabel and you are right.. :-) |
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| 21:33:44 | barrywardell | soap, linuxstb: that's an annoying problem with the ipod bl. I don't have an ipod to do any testing with so I'll have to leave this up to someone who has one |
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| 21:35:01 | bluebrother | domonoky: seems you can increase your commit count once again? |
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| 21:38:33 | domonoky | yup, only need to get the correct width.. |
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| 21:39:36 | preglow | Buschel: whats with removing the seek table? |
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| 21:50:40 | bluebrother | hmm. Caching for archived builds is broken :( |
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| 21:53:01 | * | bluebrother goes back some revisions |
| 21:53:35 | domonoky | it seems also uncached archived builds are broken.. me goes checking.. |
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| 21:56:22 | bluebrother | domonoky: you might hit a broken mirror ... try to use a specific one for testing (I'm using haxx) |
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| 22:03:07 | domonoky | bluebrother: i cant seem to get the right with for the elide function.. both frameWidth and width are too small (like 5 chars), and maximumSize is too much.. maybe i should just use a fixed size... |
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| 22:10:00 | bluebrother | domonoky: I think I'll give it a try later. Right now I'm struggling with the cache thing :( |
| 22:10:10 | domonoky | bluebrother: this cache bug is in installzip.. |
| 22:10:48 | bluebrother | I was looking into that file too ... you already found it? |
| 22:11:02 | domonoky | yep, there a two variables for the cache in installzip, m_usecache and m_path |
| 22:11:22 | domonoky | install only sets the path, and there for cache isnt enabled.. :-) |
| 22:11:37 | bluebrother | I changed install.cpp to call setCache(true) already but it didn't help |
| 22:14:07 | domonoky | bluebrother: it works for me, if i use setCache(true) in install.c... (you have to install twice, to fill the cache first).. |
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| 22:17:03 | bluebrother | doesn't work for me. You changed install.cpp:157? |
| 22:18:23 | domonoky | jup, just changed the "installer->setCache(...) call to use the bool version, and all works nicley.. |
| 22:18:54 | * | bluebrother tries a new svn checkout |
| 22:19:26 | domonoky | bluebrother: are you sure you didnt disable the cache in the config ? also running it with debug enabled gives good clues if the cache is working.. |
| 22:20:30 | * | domonoky increased his commit count again.. :-) |
| 22:20:46 | bluebrother | yep, I'm sure about the config. Strange ... |
| 22:21:16 | bluebrother | of course it's possible my recent changes made it act up. But I doubt that. |
| 22:21:53 | domonoky | and we should cleanup installzip.h/cpp it allows to set a cachepath, but doesnt use it.. |
| 22:23:37 | bluebrother | well, setting a cache path should implicitly enable the cache. I'm about to change this right now |
| 22:24:52 | bluebrother | or have you included that change already? |
| 22:25:02 | domonoky | yes, as it works for me.. :-) |
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| 22:27:28 | Buschel | preglow: there you are :o) |
| 22:27:55 | Buschel | preglow: the seek table was _never_ used as far as i can see from the code and some experiements |
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| 22:34:22 | Xqtftqx | Hey guys, i just installed the updated .rockbox dir and now its stuck on SUM:81DA4AE |
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| 22:37:32 | Xqtftqx | Nevermind i got it |
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| 22:41:11 | saratoga | can anyone comment on the extra 128k of IRAM on the PP5022/4 ? |
| 22:41:58 | linuxstb | _extra_ 128K? |
| 22:42:16 | Buschel | preglow: but this is a non satisfying situation −− the seek table now (and before) is allocated and free'ed for each track. int32 array with the size of the number of frames in the track. |
| 22:42:40 | saratoga | sorry, addtional IRAM totaling 128k |
| 22:43:08 | * | bertrik checks linker script |
| 22:44:05 | saratoga | i am hoping to get around to further optimizing the wma and aac decoders and would like to use that extra IRAM |
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| 22:48:43 | n1s | saratoga: the iaudio x5 and probably m5 also have 128k iram |
| 22:49:31 | linuxstb | Are there any targets with 64KB? I know the TCC77x only has that (but it's also armv5, meaning different optimisations) |
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| 22:50:17 | saratoga | not that i know of, and I think most future targets will have seperate I and D caches making IRAM much less important then it is on PP and Coldfire |
| 22:53:08 | n1s | yeah, the caches seem to get significantly better :) |
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| 23:01:15 | Buschel | saratoga/linuxstb: the IRAM configuration is done in app.lds? |
| 23:01:39 | linuxstb | Partly, and partly in plugin/codec.lds (I think). |
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| 23:03:32 | Buschel | very interesting fact though. I always thought we use all of the available IRAM for each target |
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| 23:16:21 | kugel | Bagder: So, don't you want to commit it? |
| 23:16:35 | Bagder | not now, no |
| 23:16:55 | Bagder | but it looked fine |
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| 23:29:42 | petur | for arguments that do not fit on one line, do we align on the previous line indent + 1 tab, or on the ( ? |
| 23:30:26 | n1s | petur: i usually go with the ( and think that's more common in rockbox code |
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| 23:30:57 | * | petur too, but settings_list is such a mess in that regard |
| 23:32:10 | petur | I think I'll clean it up and hope nobody was too attached to the coding styles in there |
| 23:32:53 | kugel | Bagder: If I could, I'd do it myself :) |
| 23:35:07 | * | n1s thins petur should sneak that one into CONTRIBUTING :) |
| 23:36:37 | n1s | I also wonder about the "Language" section in said document, it states that all code should be C, I would like to change that to more picture our current situation... |
| 23:37:11 | n1s | s/more/better/ |
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| 23:39:29 | linuxstb | What is our current situation? |
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| 23:39:53 | n1s | asm is ok for time critical stuff |
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| 23:43:37 | cikada | hey, does anyone know anything about the insignia mp3 players? |
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