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| 00:25:01 | vertic23 | hello |
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| 00:43:55 | UNHchab1 | hey guys, I'm running rockbox on a Sansa e200, and mpeg videos don't show up in the file browser |
| 00:44:20 | UNHchab1 | i used the automated installer, but i was under the impression that the MPEGplayer plugin got installed on my sansa |
| 00:44:26 | n1s | UNHchab1: check the file view setting |
| 00:44:46 | n1s | easily accessible from the quickscreen |
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| 00:46:37 | UNHchab1 | ahh, that's it, i had it set to only show playlists |
| 00:46:40 | UNHchab1 | thank you |
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| 01:00:02 | MTee | Hello |
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| 01:05:37 | petur | hi |
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| 01:07:43 | RBPFC | hi all |
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| 01:09:08 | RBPFC | is it possible to modify my mp3 player to act as an external soundcard? |
| 01:09:36 | petur | no |
| 01:09:41 | RBPFC | why not |
| 01:09:50 | petur | we almost had a gsoc student to write it but he went with another project |
| 01:09:55 | RBPFC | if i can move data to it i should be able to stream |
| 01:10:10 | BigBambi | It is possible with some devices I thought |
| 01:10:18 | BigBambi | But Rockbox can't do it at present |
| 01:10:23 | RBPFC | i know |
| 01:10:32 | gevaerts | In principle it's possible, but someone has to write the code |
| 01:10:36 | RBPFC | does anyone know the binary architecture of Philips SA1210 |
| 01:10:48 | RBPFC | it has some .sb files |
| 01:10:53 | RBPFC | and resource sections |
| 01:11:12 | BigBambi | RBPFC: Are you looking to port rockbox to it? |
| 01:11:20 | RBPFC | yes and no |
| 01:11:32 | BigBambi | if no, this is #rockbox... |
| 01:11:39 | RBPFC | i know |
| 01:11:48 | RBPFC | yes: Im planning to port it |
| 01:11:52 | RBPFC | no: a modified version |
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| 01:12:00 | BigBambi | modified how? |
| 01:12:09 | RBPFC | once i know how my mp3 player works |
| 01:12:13 | RBPFC | i want to add custom features |
| 01:12:29 | BigBambi | er, yes, I gathered thT FROM MODIFIED |
| 01:12:33 | BigBambi | oops :) |
| 01:12:44 | BigBambi | I meant which modified features? |
| 01:12:55 | RBPFC | not sure yet |
| 01:13:06 | RBPFC | i was not thinking about that yet |
| 01:13:11 | RBPFC | first i need to get it run i guess :) |
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| 01:13:31 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: here? |
| 01:13:48 | RBPFC | but im unable to figure out what kind of binary file my mp3 player uses |
| 01:13:50 | BigBambi | OK, well check out www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPorts, and have a look in the New Ports forum in the wiki (and on the wiki) to see if anyone has done any ground work |
| 01:14:04 | BigBambi | RBPFC: do you know the architecture? |
| 01:14:20 | RBPFC | nop |
| 01:14:37 | BigBambi | I'd guess googling is an option, or you may have to open it up and look |
| 01:15:13 | RBPFC | i used google |
| 01:15:18 | RBPFC | and IDA is not helpful either |
| 01:15:34 | RBPFC | it has its very own architecture |
| 01:15:37 | BigBambi | well, if no-one has already done it I guess you will need to open it and look at the chips |
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| 01:17:05 | RBPFC | yeh but its not up to the chip how they process code |
| 01:17:30 | BigBambi | eh? |
| 01:17:48 | BigBambi | you need to know the architecture for a start |
| 01:17:56 | BigBambi | arm? coldfire? telechips? etc |
| 01:19:08 | RBPFC | first i need to figure out howto open that ass |
| 01:19:26 | RBPFC | it doesnt seem to have any standart screws |
| 01:19:27 | RBPFC | :D |
| 01:21:38 | MTee | what books are good to start reading embedded systems ? |
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| 01:23:27 | BigBambi | Incidentally, I realise that telechips isn't an 'architecture' |
| 01:24:05 | MTee | BibBambi : do you know good books to start with in embedded systems ? |
| 01:24:36 | MTee | *BigBambi :) |
| 01:24:44 | BigBambi | sorry, no :( |
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| 01:25:08 | MTee | emm .. how did you learn it? :) |
| 01:25:14 | BigBambi | I didn't |
| 01:25:17 | * | BigBambi is no dev |
| 01:26:04 | MTee | emm .. sorry, I just supposed that you were from your talk with RBPFC |
| 01:26:19 | MTee | thanks anyways |
| 01:26:44 | BigBambi | hehe :) I help out with support, and I can do simple patching and that, but for the in depth low level stuff, not guilty! |
| 01:26:57 | MTee | :D |
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| 01:28:11 | BigBambi | MTee: Most core devs are European, and it is 01.30 here, so you may have more luck European daytime |
| 01:28:22 | chrisjs169 | is it possible for the sansa to fail loading the i2c but still not go into pre-boot mode? |
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| 01:30:17 | MTee | BigBambi : thanks, didn't notice that. I thought it's still earlier there ... anyways it's now 2.30 in here :) |
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| 01:34:41 | chrisjs169 | i was doing some testing and stuck an invalid copy of the i2c on the recovery mode partition |
| 01:36:13 | * | MTee is going to zZzZzZ |
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| 01:37:05 | chrisjs169 | from what i've always known and been told, it should go into preboot mode if it has any problems reading the i2c, correct? |
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| 01:51:39 | RBPFC | i destroyed my screen of my mp3 player |
| 01:51:40 | RBPFC | :( |
| 01:52:26 | chrisjs169 | i seem to have destroyed my mp3 player :( |
| 01:52:33 | RBPFC | mine still work |
| 01:52:33 | RBPFC | :D |
| 01:53:38 | chrisjs169 | i can't figure out why mine doesn't |
| 01:53:55 | chrisjs169 | it's supposed to go into preboot mode when it fails, but it isn't |
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| 01:55:06 | asda653 | Despondent rockboxer here :[ |
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| 01:57:20 | Fewlio | Anyone know how I can reboot a sansa that crashed as a result of installing rockbox? |
| 01:57:30 | Fewlio | went unresponsive after I plugged it back into USB |
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| 01:59:08 | asda653 | my computer is not recognizing my perfectly-working nano, but the nano recognizes it. iTunes says the nano is corrupt. help anyone? |
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| 02:01:55 | Fewlio | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8272 I seem to have ran into this |
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| 02:07:17 | RBPFC | philips sa1210 got a sigmatel chip |
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| 02:15:16 | RBPFC | BigBambi |
| 02:15:17 | RBPFC | still there? |
| 02:15:37 | Fewlio | http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0511081900pn5.jpg |
| 02:16:01 | RBPFC | lol |
| 02:16:22 | Fewlio | yeah |
| 02:16:24 | Fewlio | thanks rockbox |
| 02:16:40 | Fewlio | that's what happened when I plugged the USB back in |
| 02:17:36 | RBPFC | shit happens |
| 02:17:45 | Fewlio | yeah and nobody knows how to reboot it |
| 02:17:55 | RBPFC | do the same over |
| 02:18:00 | Fewlio | the what |
| 02:18:10 | RBPFC | reinstall it |
| 02:18:14 | RBPFC | do all the steps over |
| 02:18:22 | Fewlio | well the thing is |
| 02:18:24 | Fewlio | I need to reboot it |
| 02:18:27 | Fewlio | I can't |
| 02:18:57 | Fewlio | I can't find any useful info from sansa other than "push the button" |
| 02:19:01 | Fewlio | and rockbox says the same thing |
| 02:19:05 | Fewlio | but the buttons don't work :V |
| 02:19:29 | RBPFC | .. |
| 02:19:44 | Fewlio | because it's crashed |
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| 02:26:35 | Fewlio | seems like the only thing that's gonna work is removing the battery |
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| 02:31:50 | soap | How long have you held the power button down, Fewlio ? |
| 02:31:55 | Fewlio | a minute |
| 02:31:59 | soap | literally? |
| 02:32:01 | Fewlio | yes |
| 02:32:04 | Fewlio | I watched a clock |
| 02:32:29 | soap | I have not experienced a crash of my 250 which can not be rebooted from with the long press of the power button. |
| 02:32:29 | Fewlio | because someone told me 20 seconds so I said "yeah I tried that, I'll try a minute just to be sure I'm not an idiot" |
| 02:32:46 | soap | What version of Rockbox were you using? |
| 02:32:50 | Fewlio | newest |
| 02:32:58 | Fewlio | installed it half an hour ago |
| 02:33:03 | vertic23 | what can I do if the HDD won't format (stopps at a certain point) |
| 02:34:42 | Fewlio | used rbutilqt-v1.0.5.zip |
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| 02:35:21 | Fewlio | oh, it just turned itself off |
| 02:35:27 | Fewlio | battery died haha |
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| 02:40:33 | vertic23 | hmm anybody got a suggestion what to do? my formatting won't proceed |
| 02:41:11 | Fewlio | run checkdisk |
| 02:41:31 | Fewlio | new or old drive? |
| 02:41:34 | vertic23 | older |
| 02:41:43 | Fewlio | might be toast |
| 02:41:55 | vertic23 | that's why I am formatting... |
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| 02:42:08 | vertic23 | thought maybe that will fix the read/write timeouts |
| 02:42:23 | Fewlio | no I mean actual toast |
| 02:42:57 | vertic23 | hm? don't make fun (I just broke my mp3 player ^^) |
| 02:43:16 | Fewlio | I mean spread some butter on that because it's not gonna save your data anymore |
| 02:43:28 | vertic23 | :/ |
| 02:43:29 | Fewlio | what're you using to format it? |
| 02:43:33 | vertic23 | windows |
| 02:43:41 | vertic23 | thought it'd be the easiest way |
| 02:43:52 | vertic23 | even though if I had the feeling that it wouldnot work |
| 02:44:08 | Fewlio | partition magic might do a better job |
| 02:44:09 | Fewlio | "might" |
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| 02:44:25 | Fewlio | I just had a drive die in me in the same way not too long ago |
| 02:44:37 | Fewlio | would go about half way and then just freeze |
| 02:45:09 | vertic23 | hmm, I got the X5V - should I buy a new one then? guess will be about 50 bucks for a new one |
| 02:45:38 | Fewlio | you might be able to replace the drive if it's really busted |
| 02:45:58 | Fewlio | chance that it's windows just failing, which it doesn't seem to do much in simple tasks like formatting a drive |
| 02:46:31 | Fewlio | I suggest finding a second opinion |
| 02:47:37 | vertic23 | true, first I'm trying another tool |
| 02:47:50 | Fewlio | good idea |
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| 03:00:46 | vertic23 | hmm, chckdsk fails with E/A timeout |
| 03:00:53 | vertic23 | @3% sucks |
| 03:01:04 | vertic23 | I knew it would end here |
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| 03:14:10 | Fewlio | before you buy a new one, look into replacing the drive, might be cheap might cost the same |
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| 03:39:19 | vertic23 | hmm, seems like I did it... |
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| 03:39:55 | Fewlio | you fixed it? |
| 03:40:04 | vertic23 | now I got a fresh HDD - for 'installing' rockbox, I just need to copy a new build on it |
| 03:40:33 | vertic23 | I think - I deleted the partition - created a new one with acronis disk director... |
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| 03:41:14 | vertic23 | sorry left out the ? |
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| 03:44:40 | vertic23 | Fewlio: I have the iAUDIO X5 not disconnected - rebooted - so there is still rockbox booted - should I reboot? |
| 03:45:06 | Fewlio | I'm not sure I joined here for rockbox support also |
| 03:45:17 | vertic23 | I see hehe |
| 03:45:20 | Fewlio | http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0511081900yb7.jpg |
| 03:45:29 | Fewlio | it fixed itself by running out of batteries |
| 03:46:04 | __Dragon__ | i would like to know if i can keep rockbox from restrating and going into the origial ipod software when i plug it into the usb |
| 03:46:13 | __Dragon__ | original |
| 03:46:37 | vertic23 | search for dualboot |
| 03:46:48 | vertic23 | doesnot look that good, Fewlio |
| 03:47:09 | Fewlio | it did that when I plugged the USB in with the sansa on |
| 03:47:24 | Fewlio | which I found was an older bug apparently |
| 03:48:02 | soap | __Dragon__, A: the __ before your name is annoying. B: Rockbox does not have a USB mode of its own. If you want disk access you must be in Apple firmware of one sort or another. If you want to simply charge, press "Menu" while inserting the USB plug. |
| 03:48:41 | __Dragon__ | ok |
| 03:48:44 | vertic23 | heh, it booted with the new build |
| 03:48:56 | vertic23 | love ya all :D :*** |
| 03:49:24 | vertic23 | guess I keep the new theme hehe |
| 03:50:29 | * | __Dragon__ playing: "Insane Clown Posse - Growing Again" [256kbps][44kHz][Stereo] |
| 03:50:29 | vertic23 | speed could be higher though, let's see if I keep those writetimeouts |
| 03:51:54 | soap | __Dragon__, please, no more now playing spam. http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines |
| 03:52:11 | __Dragon__ | i hit the wrong button |
| 03:52:42 | vertic23 | soap: do you think there is a connection between a dying HDD and slow transferspeeds (I get now 1,2 mb/s) |
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| 03:53:04 | vertic23 | had (sometimes) speeds >2-3 MB/s |
| 03:53:07 | JdGordon|uni | those sort of speeds are usb 1.1 anyway arnt they? |
| 03:53:10 | soap | possibly, failed reads and or writes would slow transfers down. |
| 03:53:12 | JdGordon|uni | i.e maybe not a dying disk |
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| 03:53:36 | vertic23 | hmm, well how can I see which USB mode is used? |
| 03:53:58 | chrisjs169 | JdGordon|uni, you have an e200, right? |
| 03:54:01 | vertic23 | I'm using the front USB connector - though I don't think my motherboard got 1.1 ^^ |
| 03:54:14 | JdGordon|uni | chrisjs169: yes |
| 03:55:12 | chrisjs169 | JdGordon|uni, i managed to put a corrupt i2c on my sansa's recovery mode drive, and broke it. I've used e200tool dozens of times, but for some reason this time it doesn't seem to enter preboot mode |
| 03:55:40 | chrisjs169 | e200tool init doesn't pick it up, and lsusb doesn't show it as a portalplayer device |
| 03:56:28 | chrisjs169 | kugel and I are talking on MSN, and can't figure out why it's not entering preboot mode |
| 03:56:50 | Llorean | Why were you putting an i2c rom on it in the first place? |
| 03:56:54 | Llorean | What did you do that necessitated this? |
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| 03:57:26 | chrisjs169 | being an idiot and testing things |
| 03:57:38 | Llorean | That's kinda vague though. |
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| 03:58:34 | chrisjs169 | i'm not really asking for a howto on fixing it, (./e200tool i2cprogram <file>) I'm just asking how it's possible for it to not enter manufacturing nor preboot mode |
| 03:59:03 | Llorean | And I'm trying to figure out the steps that led up to it refusing to boot, because sometimes a cause is more than "just the last thing that happened" |
| 03:59:18 | chrisjs169 | Oh, ok |
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| 04:00:21 | Llorean | Though you might want to try to catch gevaerts around. He'd be asleep right now, I'd imagine, but if you can catch him, I think he has the most experience causing damage to a Sansa (notably a c200 though) and consequently recovering it. |
| 04:00:53 | chrisjs169 | I was mostly messing with e200tool's recovery for when the bootloader fails (haven't had much to do today) and one of the times i was in recovery mode I had placed a corrupt I2c on it. The Sansa froze writing the boot rom, and after a hard shutdown, it stopped working |
| 04:02:41 | chrisjs169 | Looks like gevearts usually gets off around 7:30 my time (2.5 hours ago) |
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| 04:04:01 | joecool | using a sansa e200 on rockbox, is it possible to get it to charge on usb like ipod does |
| 04:04:10 | joecool | by holding menu or something |
| 04:04:13 | Llorean | Honestly though, if you can't get it into any sort of mode where your PC can detect it as a USB device, I can't imagine there will be much you can do without hardware intervention. |
| 04:04:17 | Llorean | joecool: Hold the center button. |
| 04:04:40 | joecool | thanks |
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| 04:06:12 | chrisjs169 | Llorean, That's kind of what I figured, but I'm just confused as I thought that the Sansa can't be bricked without hardware modification, as it will always go to Preboot or Manufacturing mode if there's a problemn |
| 04:06:17 | joecool | one other thing |
| 04:06:26 | joecool | what is this study mode |
| 04:07:09 | chrisjs169 | I've also (yay, more warranty voiding) tried removing the daughterboard just to make sure it can't try to execute any startup code, to force it into preboot mode, but without any luck |
| 04:07:36 | kugel | joecool: With the mode enabled, you don't skip the entire track if you press |<< or >>|, but rather jump back/forward lets say 5 minutes |
| 04:07:45 | kugel | the time can be specified in the settings afaik |
| 04:08:55 | joecool | hrm.. the dsp really sucks in the sansa compared to ipod :( |
| 04:09:02 | joecool | glad i did not buy |
| 04:09:02 | kugel | chrisjs169: I'm not entirely sure, but I think you should be even able to get into menu mode without the daughterboard |
| 04:09:20 | Llorean | joecool: "DSP" means "digital signal processing", and would be affects applied mostly by the software, not hardware relevant... |
| 04:09:26 | kugel | which means, removing it does nothing |
| 04:09:33 | joecool | er |
| 04:09:34 | chrisjs169 | kugel, AFAIK, manu mode requires a working i2c, which is stored in the daughterboard |
| 04:09:35 | joecool | DAC |
| 04:09:51 | kugel | chrisjs169: again, I'm not sure |
| 04:10:02 | joecool | in case noone in here saw me a day ago... that was 2 days of sleep deprivation, this is day 3 now |
| 04:10:11 | joecool | er night now... it all feels the same after awhile |
| 04:10:29 | chrisjs169 | which is why i was able to get into preboot after shorting the daughterboard on my last sansa |
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| 04:16:34 | vertic23 | how much does the iAudio M3 cost? it is not yet available here in germany |
| 04:17:08 | vertic23 | not yet.. or not anymore? how old is that one? |
| 04:17:16 | scorche|sh | not anymore |
| 04:17:34 | vertic23 | I see |
| 04:19:27 | kugel | vertic23: most of the rockbox targets aren't available anymore. Except on ebay of course |
| 04:19:29 | vertic23 | hmm, I learned now that only very few players are still in active "production" - selling |
| 04:19:45 | vertic23 | yeah, hmm sad |
| 04:20:25 | vertic23 | so I go and look for which one the rockbox will be available in the future, heh? :D |
| 04:20:51 | kugel | vertic23: cowon d2 seems promising |
| 04:21:08 | kugel | that's the only player which I know being still available |
| 04:21:23 | Llorean | I wouldn't recommend the d2 to someone who seems to be looking for an HD based player. |
| 04:21:27 | kugel | but, this one is pretty much the opposite of the M3 |
| 04:21:47 | Llorean | Perhaps the Gigabeat S. More recently unavailable, so you can often find them used or refurbished. |
| 04:21:49 | vertic23 | Llorean: I am looking for a player for my girlfriend |
| 04:22:07 | vertic23 | so ...the player doesnot be that ...expensive hehehe |
| 04:22:13 | vertic23 | *shouldnot |
| 04:22:29 | Llorean | vertic23: Well, you'll more or less just have to search the internet. |
| 04:22:30 | kugel | vertic23: Then I#d recomment ebay |
| 04:22:44 | Llorean | D2 is probably not your best bet, since it's impossible to predict when it'll be really usable |
| 04:23:15 | vertic23 | I did already, Llorean: and I found the cowon iaudio 7 (which is with 110$ affordable) |
| 04:23:23 | vertic23 | 4 GB too - but HDD based |
| 04:23:42 | kugel | besides, if he wants an M3, which has no display, a D2 which pretty much only consists of a display (a touchscreen), I doubt the D2 is the one he searches for |
| 04:23:45 | Llorean | Well, if you're just discussing players not running Rockbox, it doesn't really belong here. |
| 04:24:19 | vertic23 | well... yeah, thanks for the info ;) |
| 04:24:20 | advcomp2019 | vertic23, the iaudio 7 is flash based but it is getting off topic |
| 04:26:11 | vertic23 | thanks |
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| 04:32:40 | vertic23 | can somebody tell me if it's now possible to make a scrolling text when there is a character in the first place? |
| 04:35:02 | JdGordon|uni | ? |
| 04:36:02 | vertic23 | zezayer.cfg <−− I think in this skin it was not possible to let the text scroll (which was annoying when you had long titles...) |
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| 04:42:12 | vertic23 | hmm iriver h120 is available again, cool |
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| 04:48:50 | * | JdGordon|uni 's sansa seems to be FUBAR :'( |
| 04:49:14 | Llorean | What'd you do to yours? |
| 04:49:38 | JdGordon|uni | nothing, screen doesnt want to turn on! |
| 04:49:55 | Llorean | Even when dual booting? |
| 04:49:57 | JdGordon|uni | volume control isnt working either |
| 04:50:15 | JdGordon|uni | na, its fine if i reboot it.. |
| 04:50:22 | * | JdGordon|uni should have said rockbox was playing up :p |
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| 04:51:25 | JdGordon|uni | hmm... the sd chip isnt in.. I wonder if its tag/dir chache being naughty |
| 04:51:37 | JdGordon|uni | grr.. it just crashed |
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| 05:07:12 | chrisjs169 | JdGordon|uni, do you know if the i2c is stored somewhere on the daughterboard, or should I wait for Bagder or gevaerts tomorrow? |
| 05:07:47 | JdGordon|uni | no idea |
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| 05:10:44 | chrisjs169 | ok, i'll wait till tomorrow |
| 05:10:50 | * | chrisjs169 tired anyways |
| 05:22:30 | vertic23 | OK, here I go again - after ~6 GB of data copied to my iAudio X5V he says "Disk is full" (so 12-13GB / 18 GB available) |
| 05:22:50 | vertic23 | does that mean my HDD is about to die? |
| 05:22:51 | scorche|sh | have you run a disk check? |
| 05:22:58 | vertic23 | well, fresh formated |
| 05:23:35 | vertic23 | does checkdisk other stuff? (I deleted the partition, created a new one / quickformated with FAT32) |
| 05:24:09 | vertic23 | what would you recommend as disk check tool? |
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| 05:27:29 | vertic23 | now I have difficulties in editing other files I had transfered (changing the ID3 tag with a taggingtool - takes [still] minuted to edit) |
| 05:27:44 | vertic23 | now I have data loss @ windows in writing :/ |
| 05:28:16 | scorche|sh | if you are using windows, just run their included checking utility...it definitely sounds like something is a bit wrong... |
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| 05:28:32 | vertic23 | so chkdsk |
| 05:28:51 | vertic23 | which couldn't finish last time :/ and won't be this time :( |
| 05:29:27 | vertic23 | which cmds would you recommend? |
| 05:29:33 | vertic23 | /F /R? |
| 05:30:41 | scorche|sh | eh...the gui version should work fine...you can always have it run on startup too |
| 05:31:42 | vertic23 | what does the opened lock say in the standard theme? |
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| 05:34:25 | sharky6000 | hello. anybody here ever install rockbox on a Sansa c250? |
| 05:34:33 | sharky6000 | (in linux) |
| 05:36:06 | scorche|sh | vertic23: probably that it isnt key-locked |
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| 05:36:28 | scorche|sh | sharky6000: was there a real question beneath that? ;) |
| 05:37:17 | sharky6000 | yeah, hehe, i can elaborate |
| 05:37:30 | sharky6000 | just wasn't sure if anybody here was paying attention :) |
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| 05:39:33 | sharky6000 | i was planning to post the full details on the mailing list or forum but i haven't received the confirmation emails yet. i just followed the installation instructions and sansapatcher seemed to work, but when i turn off my sansa and power it back on after unplugging the USB device, the initial image flashes .. then when I press a button the rockbox firmware tells me that it can't load rockbox.mi4 (File not found) |
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| 05:40:00 | Llorean | Sansapatcher is not the only install step. |
| 05:40:13 | Llorean | Did you do the rest of the install? |
| 05:40:41 | sharky6000 | i'm following http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansac200/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 |
| 05:41:29 | sharky6000 | after sansapatcher it pretty much goes right to "2.4 Running Rockbox" |
| 05:41:43 | Llorean | But there's a step before sansapatcher, called "Installing the firmware" |
| 05:42:09 | scorche|sh | sharky6000: so, you didnt get the registration email? |
| 05:43:07 | sharky6000 | yeah, i got the firmware and uncompressed it.. same goes for the fonts. all the files are now in $HOME/.rockbox |
| 05:43:24 | vertic23 | Llorean: do you get many rewards / money donations for your work? |
| 05:43:30 | scorche|sh | the instructions dont say to put it in $HOME.. |
| 05:43:36 | sharky6000 | root@gravid:~/.rockbox# ls |
| 05:43:36 | sharky6000 | backdrops database.ignore fonts recpresets rocks viewers.config |
| 05:43:36 | sharky6000 | codecs docs icons rockbox-info.txt tagnavi.config wps |
| 05:43:36 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK sharky6000 |
| 05:43:36 | sharky6000 | codepages eqs langs rockbox.mi4 themes |
| 05:43:36 | sharky6000 | root@gravid:~/.rockbox# |
| 05:43:47 | sharky6000 | (oops, sorry) |
| 05:44:01 | Llorean | sharky6000: $HOME/.rockbox is not where it tells you to extract them to. |
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| 05:44:28 | scorche|sh | vertic23: we are volunteers who do not receive any monetary compensation, although i wouldnt say it is rewardless ;) |
| 05:44:47 | Llorean | vertic23: I personally don't get any rewards. Rockbox itself has a fund that it uses for such things as buying replacement players when people doing work do something horribly wrong, etc. |
| 05:44:54 | vertic23 | well, true - but ...maybe some bills for the server need to be paid... or beer, lotsof beer ;) |
| 05:45:18 | vertic23 | so who wants the beer of you hehe |
| 05:45:22 | scorche|sh | vertic23: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DonatedMoney |
| 05:45:29 | sharky6000 | so it's supposed to be in /.rockbox? |
| 05:45:42 | scorche|sh | sharky6000: the instructions say the root of the device |
| 05:45:55 | Llorean | sharky6000: "extract the files in the .zip file onto your player." |
| 05:46:05 | Llorean | Not your home folder. |
| 05:46:26 | sharky6000 | yeah....... ok..... |
| 05:46:34 | vertic23 | you have a rockbox party soon? |
| 05:46:50 | scorche|sh | vertic23: well, we have a developer conference soon, yes |
| 05:47:01 | vertic23 | where? |
| 05:47:05 | sharky6000 | sorry, i thought the sansapatcher copied those files from the current directory to the device after finding it |
| 05:47:07 | vertic23 | 'secret' lmao |
| 05:47:31 | Llorean | sharky6000: If it did, the instructions wouldn't say "extract the files in the .zip file onto your player" in them. |
| 05:47:32 | scorche|sh | we do work, make decisions and many other things during the conference, and it is far from just a "party" |
| 05:47:42 | vertic23 | I hope so |
| 05:47:52 | vertic23 | wasn't expecting a group of crackheads ;) |
| 05:47:58 | sharky6000 | right. |
| 05:48:01 | Llorean | sharky6000: Did you have problems with the automatic installation? |
| 05:48:02 | vertic23 | well −− ehr you know what I mean ;) |
| 05:48:05 | sharky6000 | rtfm .. :) |
| 05:48:15 | scorche|sh | vertic23: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevCon2008 see the 2 links there |
| 05:48:47 | vertic23 | hmm, ok - I got now one error @ checkdisk "Timelimit \Device\HardDisk7\DR20 |
| 05:48:59 | vertic23 | was reached before E/A was done..." |
| 05:49:05 | sharky6000 | no.. didn't try it. just assumed an automatic installer wouldn't exist for linux :) |
| 05:49:28 | scorche|sh | sharky6000: even when the manual specifies an automatic installer link? ;) |
| 05:49:42 | sharky6000 | alright, my bad.. thanks for the help, but i would maybe suggest changing "onto your player" to "to the root of your device" =) |
| 05:49:55 | Llorean | sharky6000: "Prebuilt binaries for Windows, Linux and MacOSÂ X" and a link. You *really* need to read the manual more carefully, especially since there's a lot of features of rockbox that you'll benefit from having read the manual entries for. :) |
| 05:50:09 | vertic23 | true... |
| 05:50:15 | sharky6000 | i hastily read through the manual... ok, i got it |
| 05:50:17 | sharky6000 | thanks |
| 05:50:29 | Llorean | sharky6000: We tried "The root of your device." People who know what "root" means can figure out "on to your device." People who don't know what "root" means generally still get "onto your device" though |
| 05:50:51 | sharky6000 | yeah... true. i missed it entirely |
| 05:51:37 | scorche|sh | we had lots of people unzipping to /root/.rockbox (and other fun variations) |
| 05:53:47 | sharky6000 | thank for the help |
| 05:54:12 | vertic23 | so Llorean, scorche|sh you'll be in berlin? |
| 05:54:31 | scorche|sh | looks that way |
| 05:54:49 | vertic23 | so I'll donate you some beer then |
| 05:54:58 | scorche|sh | are you in the area? |
| 05:55:15 | vertic23 | yep |
| 05:55:19 | vertic23 | ~200 km away |
| 05:55:31 | vertic23 | but used to live there, so got many friends there |
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| 05:57:22 | vertic23 | hmm now my player freezes while calculation free diskspace in chckdisk |
| 05:57:25 | vertic23 | *chkdsk |
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| 06:03:56 | fml | barrywardell_: (for the log): I couldn' reproduce the 'e200' message on c250. Now no text is shown, just the logo (which blinks once or twice). |
| 06:04:32 | jmworx | anyone here would like to help with subjective testing on a new codec? |
| 06:04:38 | jmworx | preglow? |
| 06:05:05 | Llorean | fml: I seem to recall that for some time the c200 builds were identified as e200 when loaded by the bootloader. |
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| 06:24:27 | fml | Llorean: ok. But the main thing is that everything works as it should. |
| 06:24:51 | Llorean | Yes, the problem is just with a string somewhere I believe |
| 06:25:14 | Llorean | It really is a c200 build, but since an awful lot of it was copied from the e200 target, I suspect that string accidentally got left. Just a guess though |
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| 06:26:52 | _vertic23 | hmm in GUI mode scandisks hangs @ phase 2 again :( |
| 06:27:19 | _vertic23 | so hardware damage? or anything else I could try? |
| 06:28:11 | _vertic23 | or should I try until it surrenders *g* playing the "who is first" game? |
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| 06:36:48 | vertic23 | hm, ok a night with my player ...now I know it's the harddisk :/ |
| 06:53:51 | vertic23 | wee some progress |
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| 08:15:09 | newnick | hey guya |
| 08:15:11 | newnick | guys* |
| 08:16:06 | newnick | quick question |
| 08:16:27 | newnick | ipod 6g, you working on a rockbox release for it? |
| 08:16:30 | Mouser_X | Quick answer: No. |
| 08:16:36 | Mouser_X | Ah, you asked after all. |
| 08:16:47 | newnick | :-P |
| 08:16:49 | Mouser_X | Answer is still hte same. |
| 08:17:04 | newnick | may i ask why |
| 08:17:12 | newnick | not possiable? or? |
| 08:17:20 | Llorean | Because work gets done by people who own the player and are interested. |
| 08:17:21 | Mouser_X | The iPod Classic is using unknown hardware, and has an encrypted firmware file. |
| 08:17:33 | Llorean | It's not easy, and nobody who owns the player has been up to the work. |
| 08:17:43 | newnick | ah ok |
| 08:18:04 | newnick | i thought the hardware would be pretty much the same as the previous model |
| 08:18:08 | Mouser_X | Work can't be done, because no one knows what the hardware is, and that can't be figured out without disassembling the firmware. One can't disassemble the firmware, because it's encrypted. |
| 08:18:18 | newnick | hmmm |
| 08:18:20 | newnick | yeah |
| 08:18:27 | newnick | where theres a will theres a way |
| 08:18:33 | Mouser_X | No doubt. |
| 08:18:36 | Mouser_X | There's no will. |
| 08:19:40 | newnick | its been like 7 months though.. would of thought someone would have got it by now... but ah well.. thanks for clearing that up for me |
| 08:19:53 | Mouser_X | At least, there's no will to do it, from those who have the capability. Those that can are endevouring to do other things which they deem more worthwhile, or more entertaining, or easier. |
| 08:20:14 | newnick | yeah true |
| 08:21:56 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 08:21:56 | * | Mouser_X is happy with the Gigabeat S. |
| 08:22:03 | Mouser_X | (Or the F. Both are great.) |
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| 08:22:25 | GodEater | which reminds me - time to read up on what I missed for S developments over the weekend! |
| 08:22:41 | Mouser_X | True. I ought to update as well. |
| 08:22:58 | * | GodEater is pleased he remembered to bring it with him to work today |
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| 08:23:43 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 08:24:07 | Mouser_X | One of the commits gave me the impression that I might need a new bootloader. |
| 08:24:15 | Mouser_X | Though, I'm entirely unsure on that. |
| 08:25:04 | GodEater | once you have a rockbox bootloader on there, is upgrading it possible by simply replacing the nk.bin on the first partition with the new one ? |
| 08:25:13 | GodEater | or do you still have to boot OF and use sendfirm ? |
| 08:25:14 | Mouser_X | Indeed it is. |
| 08:25:21 | GodEater | neat :D |
| 08:25:26 | Mouser_X | Very. |
| 08:25:36 | Mouser_X | My problem is building an updated bootloader. |
| 08:26:15 | * | Llorean is more or less just waiting until power management is more complete to start using his beast, so he doesn't need OF. |
| 08:26:50 | Mouser_X | OF is nice for video out. Video out kind of sucks though... |
| 08:27:15 | GodEater | make your mind up ;) |
| 08:27:30 | * | linuxstb is waiting for 160GB disks... |
| 08:27:43 | Mouser_X | It's nice to have the feature, but the feature is poorly implemented. |
| 08:27:47 | * | Llorean has a PSP if he *really* must have a video out capable device. |
| 08:27:47 | Mouser_X | How's that? |
| 08:27:49 | GodEater | linuxstb: you want more than one ? |
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| 08:39:50 | linuxstb | Have people reported problems with bass/treble on the E200 before? I thought it was just other targets... |
| 08:39:56 | linuxstb | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16781.0 |
| 08:40:42 | Llorean | I think it's only been Gigabeats and iPods so far. |
| 08:41:14 | Llorean | Well "so far" being "up until that thread" |
| 08:41:15 | linuxstb | I thought it was just some of the iaudios... |
| 08:41:23 | linuxstb | So it seems broken virtually everywhere... |
| 08:41:39 | Llorean | Since austriancoder's commit, at least as far as I know. |
| 08:42:26 | Llorean | At least, that broke it completely on gigabeat until part of it was reverted, and it seems to mark the time the problems began cropping up for other people, though I don't know of the non-saving problem has been explicitly narrowed down to that revision yet. |
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| 10:39:48 | radio-head | hi guys |
| 10:39:53 | radio-head | what's rockbox? |
| 10:40:04 | GodEater | www.rockbox.org |
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| 10:41:04 | radio-head | i went on it |
| 10:41:13 | radio-head | it doesn't explain it that well? |
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| 10:41:45 | GodEater | you read this too : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox ? |
| 10:42:48 | radio-head | ok |
| 10:45:26 | Buschel | question: codecs use the plugin iram? |
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| 10:47:46 | GodEater | radio-head: did that help ? |
| 10:48:14 | radio-head | GodEater: a bit |
| 10:48:25 | GodEater | is there still something which is unclear ? |
| 10:48:25 | radio-head | i know its firmware |
| 10:48:35 | radio-head | and it replaces the original ipod firmware |
| 10:48:36 | B4gder | Buschel: no, then they wouldn't run while playing music |
| 10:48:46 | B4gder | I mean plugins and codecs |
| 10:48:51 | radio-head | but i don't know the advantages and the features of it yet |
| 10:49:06 | Buschel | b4gder: ok, so codecs use the iram size defined in the app.lds |
| 10:49:38 | B4gder | core, codecs and plugins basically have one part each of the iram |
| 10:51:28 | GodEater | radio-head: perhaps this then too : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison |
| 10:51:41 | GodEater | scroll down past the first table to find the feature comparisons for the ipod |
| 10:51:45 | radio-head | GodEater: ty |
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| 10:52:15 | markun | radio-head: rockbox has some features (more codecs, normal folder browsing, some games, audio effects) which might be an advantage to some, but others are happy with itunes and the original firmware. |
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| 10:52:46 | radio-head | markun: ty, much better help |
| 10:52:54 | radio-head | ty |
| 10:52:57 | radio-head | byt markun |
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| 10:53:21 | markun | I guess he was the 2nd kind of user then :) |
| 10:53:28 | GodEater | I guess he was :) |
| 10:55:35 | n1s | Bagder: ?? afaik plugins use the same iram as codecs, that's why you _can't_ use iram in a plugin without stopping playback |
| 10:56:44 | B4gder | ah |
| 10:56:50 | * | B4gder forgets |
| 10:58:23 | Buschel | when trying to support the 128KB iram of PP5022/24 i need to change app.lds (new length) and plugin.lds (new iram start adress and length). correct? |
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| 11:01:51 | Buschel | like this http://pastebin.com/m7191fede |
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| 11:09:19 | pondlife | Hmm, http://rockboxhack.wetpaint.com/page/downloads has an interesting installation sequence... :) |
| 11:09:43 | pondlife | But also, a GPL-violating ipodpatcher.exe |
| 11:10:44 | scorche | ugh |
| 11:11:08 | pondlife | My thoughts exactly |
| 11:13:26 | Buschel | typo −− forgot a "0" -> http://pastebin.com/m4357476f |
| 11:14:04 | scorche | pondlife: a GPL violating ipodpatcher?...looks like they tell them to use rbutil |
| 11:14:44 | pondlife | There's apparently an ipodpatcher.exe link there |
| 11:16:29 | pondlife | Which is particularly odd given that they go the RBUtil route - a minor blessing in itself... |
| 11:16:42 | BigBambi | GodEater, MouserX: I uploaded a new dual-boot nk.bin after the recent you need a new bootloader build too commit |
| 11:18:32 | scorche | pondlife: quite odd...probably just took it from rockbox.org and put it there though |
| 11:19:07 | pondlife | Indeed, but they should provide at least a link to the source (and the license), no? |
| 11:19:14 | scorche | of course |
| 11:20:22 | pondlife | To be honest I'm more depressed by the quality of the instructions (and of most YouTube "help" videos) that make Rockbox look harder to install than it really is. |
| 11:21:28 | scorche | yes...it isnt really something we can really do though (wrt the videos) |
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| 11:23:02 | * | scorche might sign up on the site and send him a message |
| 11:23:06 | scorche | ...tomorrow |
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| 11:27:20 | JdGordon | or actually this morning... |
| 11:27:30 | JdGordon | and soon will be yesterday |
| 11:27:42 | * | scorche reminds JdGordon to stuff it and let him get his 3 hours of sleep before worktime |
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| 11:37:13 | GodEater | BigBambi: url ? |
| 11:37:35 | BigBambi | http://aeparker.com/files/nk.zip |
| 11:38:20 | GodEater | ta |
| 11:38:30 | BigBambi | np |
| 11:39:08 | GodEater | and just to double check, it's possible to replace the nk.bin from the bootloader's usb mode? Or is that a bad idea, and I should do it from rockbox proper ? |
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| 11:40:37 | Buschel | wow, configuring my 5.5G to 128KB iram and use it for several arrays speeds up the mpc decoder by 6.6% ;o) |
| 11:41:36 | BigBambi | GodEater: I've never tried it from the bootloader usb mode, but from rb proper it is fine |
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| 11:59:06 | * | JdGordon thought we didnt allow the delete option in the WOS context menu? |
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| 12:20:41 | n1s | JdGordon: it's there in official builds at least... |
| 12:21:58 | Nico_P | B4gder: "Bagder got a nano2g bootloader image to disassemble"... how? does that mean you managed to decrypt it? |
| 12:22:32 | B4gder | no |
| 12:22:48 | B4gder | just that I have the image, which is mostly encrypted |
| 12:22:50 | bertrik | I looked at it briefly last night and at least some parts did seem plaintext |
| 12:23:41 | Nico_P | B4gder: ah, I thought this was some major breakthrough :p |
| 12:24:13 | B4gder | a minor one only, they extracted this ;-) |
| 12:24:13 | Nico_P | how did you get the image? it's available at Apple's? |
| 12:24:42 | B4gder | this came from work done by the linux4nano guys |
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| 12:25:42 | GodEater | bloody hell |
| 12:25:54 | GodEater | you mean that project has actually acheived something ? |
| 12:25:59 | Nico_P | B4gder: is there somewhere I can read about this? the linux4nano website doesn't seem to be quite up to date |
| 12:26:32 | B4gder | Nico_P: no, i don't think so. the only info I've found there was useless |
| 12:26:56 | B4gder | daniel.haxx.se/nano2g-bootloader.bin |
| 12:27:10 | B4gder | 1MB image |
| 12:27:24 | B4gder | big-endian arm in the beginnning |
| 12:32:15 | linuxstb | Isn't the meizu also big-endian (and also the same/similar CPU)? |
| 12:32:23 | B4gder | yes and yes |
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| 12:32:49 | B4gder | food |
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| 12:38:50 | chevron | does anyone know when the nano 3rd gen are coming out? |
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| 13:08:40 | MiniUser | Hi, I'm using an Ipod mini, 1st gen with rockbox r17250-080426. I'm getting a lot of errors when copying files to the player from xubuntu. A lot of the time, I'll try to copy a file and the attempt will fail with an I/O error, and then it becomes impossible to eject the Ipod without shutting down the computer |
| 13:09:10 | MiniUser | it's happening on 2 different machines, one with xubuntu 7.10, the other with 8.04 |
| 13:09:26 | MiniUser | my windows machine is down at the moment so haven't been able to try there |
| 13:09:38 | domonoky | MiniUser: did you check the disk on your player for errors ? |
| 13:10:10 | MiniUser | I've fsck'ed the player, nothing special, and the problem has reoccurred |
| 13:10:54 | * | Buschel added a patch to the tracker which enables 128KB IRAM for PP5022/24 -> FS #8987 |
| 13:10:58 | MiniUser | I've googled, looked through manuals and faqs, So far nothing |
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| 13:12:09 | Buschel | there is also a patch included to take advantage of the additional iram for musepack decoding |
| 13:12:23 | B4gder | sounds like a good idea to make sure we use more iram |
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| 13:12:59 | B4gder | 5022 and 5024 are the most popular PP models too - counted by download |
| 13:13:03 | domonoky | MiniUser: its probably not a rockbox problem, as on ipods rockbox doesnt have its own usb mode (till now) .. you are using apple software for usb transfers.. |
| 13:13:15 | MiniUser | ok |
| 13:13:25 | MiniUser | any ideas on where to look then? |
| 13:13:49 | Buschel | B4dger: it also can help runtime as some of the codecs can be further optimized now |
| 13:14:03 | MiniUser | it's a second hand player, I never used it with Itunes aside from reflashing it, but I can try moving files with itunes to test it out |
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| 13:14:30 | Buschel | B4dger: nevertheless somebody should check my patch. i am not sure everything is done right. works for me though |
| 13:15:28 | domonoky | MiniUser: you could also try if it is your usb-cable, i had such problems with a broken usb extension cable.. |
| 13:16:27 | MiniUser | Thanks, that's actually on my list of things to try once I get my hands on another cable |
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| 13:27:57 | MiniUser | domonoky: Thanks a lot for the ideas. I'm heading off now. Hopefully it really is just a dodgy cable |
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| 13:32:04 | linuxstb | Buschel_away: Looking at your patches, did you look to see how much core IRAM is used by each target? Will the core benefit from the extra? Also, your musepack patch seems to have what look like unrelated changes - is decreasing MPC_DECODER_MEMSIZE related to the IRAM patch? |
| 13:36:22 | preglow | Buschel_away: weird... |
| 13:36:41 | * | preglow back in a few hours |
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| 14:13:09 | Buschel | linuxstb: MPC_DECODER_SIZE was another change I've made experimenting with the IRAM. this change is not needed, but doesn't harm anything −− speedwise |
| 14:13:41 | linuxstb | Buschel: So does it need to be part of that patch? |
| 14:13:57 | Buschel | linuxstb: i did not check how much iram is used by the core. i just enabled it as a first step to check, if it works. |
| 14:14:37 | Buschel | linuxstb: mpc -> this change is not needed. nevertheless it makes sense to reduce ram usage, if it doesn't hurt speed |
| 14:15:39 | linuxstb | Buschel: I'm just in favour of making patches as small as possible, and not mixing independent changes. |
| 14:16:26 | Buschel | linuxstb: that's right. i not submit it this way (if the iram stuff should be agreed for submission) |
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| 14:22:55 | Buschel | is there any core stuff which may have advantages of more iram? otherwise we could simply add the additional iram to the plugins |
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| 14:48:10 | petur | JdGordon: around? |
| 14:48:18 | JdGordon | am now |
| 14:48:33 | * | JdGordon not exactly in a useful state though |
| 14:48:44 | petur | is that rec screen as viewport somewhere online? |
| 14:50:21 | JdGordon | dunno.. dont remember how far I actually got.. |
| 14:50:31 | JdGordon | gimme a min.. ill look around ehere for it |
| 14:53:09 | JdGordon | i found a patch changes.recscreen but I'm not sure hoiw much of it it is |
| 14:53:10 | petur | no hurry, I'm going to (try to) sync the REP first... |
| 14:53:47 | JdGordon | http://pastebin.ca/1015702 |
| 14:54:01 | petur | was just thinking that maybe changing the rec screen to viewports would save the work of re-syncing again afterwards |
| 14:55:50 | petur | thnx |
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| 15:07:49 | JdGordon|zzz | petur: instead of syncing the REP patch.. if you strip the drawing code out of the main loop it would make viewportting it much easier |
| 15:08:40 | petur | I'm looking at the viewport now and will try to clean it up |
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| 15:29:02 | voltagex | hi, anyone active? |
| 15:29:14 | voltagex | the os x rbutil keeps crashing on me |
| 15:30:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | There's 142 people in this channel right now. |
| 15:30:51 | domonoky | voltagex: do you have more details when it is crashing and how ? |
| 15:31:05 | voltagex | installing the bootloader |
| 15:31:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | And also what device you're trying to install Rockbox onto? |
| 15:31:14 | voltagex | after it finishes downloading bootloader.bin |
| 15:31:24 | voltagex | sorry for not providing details... H340 |
| 15:33:09 | voltagex | i think it's the firmware patching app that's crashing |
| 15:34:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | Have you tried with both the "Small Installation" and "Full Installation" options? |
| 15:34:29 | voltagex | same result |
| 15:34:37 | voltagex | crash before the .hex is patched |
| 15:34:40 | domonoky | LambdaCalculus37: that wont help its the same code.. :-) |
| 15:34:48 | domonoky | voltagex: whats the last output ? |
| 15:34:55 | voltagex | with both 1.29 and 1.30 firmware .hexes |
| 15:35:12 | voltagex | "Downloading bootloader.bin" |
| 15:36:14 | domonoky | voltagex: could try running it from a console, and see if there a more outputs on the console ? |
| 15:36:42 | voltagex | domonoky: unsure how to run the osx .app from a console |
| 15:37:00 | * | domonoky also doesnt know OSX.. :-) |
| 15:37:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | voltagex: Run it by typing "open <appname>.app" in the console. |
| 15:37:37 | * | LambdaCalculus37 is glad he bought that "Unix for Mac OS X" book :) |
| 15:39:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | voltagex: Before you do that though... is RbUtil in "Applications" in the Finder? |
| 15:39:13 | voltagex | no |
| 15:39:20 | voltagex | desktop & on my h300 |
| 15:39:27 | voltagex | location does not change the crash |
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| 15:40:54 | voltagex | rbutil doesn't seem to like the EU version of 1.30 firmware |
| 15:41:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | Try with the J or K versions, then. |
| 15:41:21 | domonoky | firmware patching for h300 with rbutil works fine on windows, but i am not sure if someone tested it on Mac.. :-) |
| 15:41:56 | voltagex | domonoky: i will be your test pilot...note i had it working on Tiger, i am now on Leopard |
| 15:43:05 | voltagex | ok OSX's crash reporter has hundreds of qtcore errors from rbutil captured |
| 15:43:19 | domonoky | what do you mean with "rbutil doesnt like 1.30 EU" ? what does rbutil say for it.. |
| 15:43:31 | voltagex | Unable to detect firmware type |
| 15:44:21 | domonoky | ah, then its probably too new, rbutil has a list of hashes built in, to identify the firmwares, and check the patched result.. do be really sure its working.. |
| 15:44:46 | voltagex | new as in 4 years old? |
| 15:44:52 | domonoky | as a broken patched firmware can brick a hxxx player... (only BDM will then help) .. |
| 15:45:20 | voltagex | i just bricked one h300 by blowing a capacitor, so this is a new one which i do not want to brick |
| 15:46:12 | voltagex | have a look - http://rafb.net/p/Ua1uno99.html |
| 15:46:39 | domonoky | so nobody has done the neccessary tests, and provided the md5sums needed for the v1.30EU firmware, and as we have other working versions, nobody cares ..:-) |
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| 15:48:36 | voltagex | that paste is as much of a crash dump as i can get |
| 15:48:40 | voltagex | any help? |
| 15:49:00 | domonoky | voltagex: unfortunatly this crash log doesnt really help.. best would be to compile a debug version of rbutil and run it in gdb, and get the backtrace when it crashes... but this a bit of work.. :-) |
| 15:49:27 | voltagex | ok if you can give me the gdb commands to run |
| 15:49:30 | domonoky | so if you can compile rbutil on your mac, it would really help... :-) (i dont have a mac).. |
| 15:49:35 | linuxstb | voltagex: Is your Mac Intel or PPC? |
| 15:49:35 | voltagex | i will do it |
| 15:49:38 | voltagex | as i want this thing to damn well work! |
| 15:49:51 | voltagex | yes, be aware this is only breaking on 10.5 |
| 15:50:00 | voltagex | Intel, 1st gen macbook |
| 15:50:15 | linuxstb | OK, I just wanted to rule out an endian problem... |
| 15:50:30 | domonoky | if you have built rbutil as debug, just run "gdb ./rbutil" then "run" and when it crashes "bt" .. |
| 15:50:57 | voltagex | actually don't think this is 1st gen but who cares |
| 15:51:14 | voltagex | ok ./configure −−enable-debug right? |
| 15:51:49 | domonoky | see : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtilityDevelopment |
| 15:52:25 | domonoky | use "qmake -config db" + "make" to build a debug build of rbutil.. |
| 15:52:27 | voltagex | oops ended up with an rbutil/rbutil/rbutil folder |
| 15:52:27 | voltagex | :P |
| 15:52:38 | domonoky | qmake -config dbg |
| 15:53:33 | voltagex | hmmm svn checkout still going |
| 15:53:42 | voltagex | will get on it asap |
| 15:54:11 | domonoky | take your time... building rbutil gets more and more complex.. :-) |
| 15:54:30 | voltagex | yeah don't even have qt on this |
| 15:54:42 | voltagex | only just formatted a broken 10.4 and put 10.5 on |
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| 15:55:07 | domonoky | you will need qt-dev, and i think lib-usb-dev... |
| 15:55:16 | linuxstb | domonoky: 1.30EU is listed in h300sums.h... |
| 15:55:36 | voltagex | as a side note, linuxstb I'm still using your DVB utilities. |
| 15:55:49 | linuxstb | voltagex: ;) So am I... |
| 15:56:20 | voltagex | i still want additional features but don't have the knowledge to do it myself ;) |
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| 16:00:52 | preglow | Buschel_relaxing: doesn't the official musepack code use it either? afaik, they have the same thing |
| 16:01:58 | voltagex | domonoky: libusb devel/libusb 0.1.12 Library providing access to USB devices |
| 16:02:03 | voltagex | that the one? |
| 16:02:12 | domonoky | voltagex: jup.. |
| 16:02:46 | voltagex | boy am i glad ports for mac exist |
| 16:02:56 | voltagex | because resolving dependencies manually sucks |
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| 16:12:11 | voltagex | domonoky: this could take a while |
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| 16:12:51 | bertrik | Can someone with an e200 try the test_fps plugin? When I run it, the screen goes blank. |
| 16:12:57 | domonoky | voltagex: jup :-) .. |
| 16:16:56 | bertrik | oops, doesn't happen with official r17471 |
| 16:18:29 | voltagex | i need to hit the hay |
| 16:18:44 | voltagex | domonoky: can I email or do you want me to post this on a mailing list? |
| 16:19:01 | voltagex | its 12:18am here and I don't think our timezones match up very well |
| 16:19:26 | domonoky | email is fine.. |
| 16:19:45 | voltagex | PM me? |
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| 16:21:48 | Buschel | preglow: but the way it was called in rockbox the buffer was not used. when changing the source to always use the statis buffer i've had noises and freezes |
| 16:22:46 | Buschel | preglow: as far as i can see from the svn repository the static buffer was introduced via a patch. |
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| 16:28:32 | B4gder | casainho's ways certainly are unpredictable... |
| 16:28:51 | B4gder | I always told him u-boot is good while porting rockbox |
| 16:28:55 | B4gder | due to the tftp etc |
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| 16:29:19 | B4gder | now he seems eager to switch to full-speed usb isntead |
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| 16:43:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | B4gder: I don't think he can make up his mind anymore. He's all over the place. |
| 16:44:14 | B4gder | yes clearly |
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| 16:46:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | Actually, scratch that... He could never make up his mind. |
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| 17:14:28 | fml | He-he. With all the things done by linuxstb to port sansav2 I think we all should be buying Sansa e200 as long as the are sold! |
| 17:15:02 | linuxstb | fml: I think you're over-estimating what I've done (and what I intend to do....) |
| 17:16:25 | fml | But the experience is that once a custom code (be it 1 byte long) can be executed, it lasts not long until any code can be executed. Especially if there is a preson behind pushing it with such energy! |
| 17:16:52 | fml | The whole v1 team! ;-) |
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| 17:17:24 | linuxstb | True ;) But the v1 team are all busy on the v1... |
| 17:18:01 | fml | :-) By the way: do the new Sansa e200 have file browser in their original firmware? |
| 17:19:00 | fml | And MSC mode? |
| 17:19:14 | linuxstb | I'm pretty sure they do, but have never touched any kind of e200 |
| 17:19:57 | fml | linuxstb: do you mean the browser or the MSC moder? |
| 17:20:07 | linuxstb | Both |
| 17:20:28 | linuxstb | But as I said, I've no real idea... So ignore me and wait for someone who knows. |
| 17:21:07 | fml | But the sansa e200 v1 doesn't have the file browser, just the database. Do you think they've changed that? |
| 17:21:22 | linuxstb | It doesn't? |
| 17:21:30 | * | linuxstb retracts all previous comments |
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| 17:22:14 | * | linuxstb was misled by Sandisk's advertising - "provides everything you need for music, photo, and video clip playback. " |
| 17:22:25 | fml | No, not a hint of a file browser :-/ |
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| 17:23:07 | fml | And without MSC mode it would be a real &%$ |
| 17:23:25 | Buschel | saratoga: patch updated with all add-on iram to plugin/codec. works fine here |
| 17:25:41 | fml | linuxstb: have you talked to the sansa v1 team if they could help you on porting sansa v2? :-P |
| 17:26:00 | linuxstb | fml: I can't get through - the phone is always engaged... |
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| 17:26:25 | * | GodEater wasn't aware of a sansa v1 "team" |
| 17:27:13 | fml | linuxstb: you pick up the speaker, dial the number and it's always engaged? Weird, weird... |
| 17:27:59 | fml | You could try the mobile, that should work |
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| 17:28:34 | saratoga | buschel: looks good |
| 17:28:47 | saratoga | though i don't know much about how the lds stuff works |
| 17:28:57 | saratoga | but thats what i'd done when playing around with the wma codec |
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| 17:29:08 | saratoga | and it seems to work |
| 17:29:12 | bertrik | Buschel: how do you decide which parts get to use the newly available iram? |
| 17:29:51 | Buschel | betrik: i chose some large array which i knew are under heavy use while decoding |
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| 17:30:14 | r0rshach | hi! |
| 17:31:07 | Buschel | bertrik: or are you asking for plugins vs. core? |
| 17:32:02 | * | Buschel needs to undo r17470 :/ |
| 17:32:29 | preglow | Buschel: it was introduced via a patch, but i think official svn has the same code from the same guy (snowgoon). if rockbox didn't use it properly, why not fix that instead of removing it? |
| 17:32:39 | Buschel | if there is strange behaviour in the audiothread debug screen, there will some more in other parts of rockbox |
| 17:33:02 | r0rshach | my question is kind out there, but i get the feeling rock box is capable of it... |
| 17:33:07 | bertrik | Buschel: Both. IIUC, iram is a scarce resource that could be of benefit to a lot of functions. What I mean is, how do we decide which parts DO get to use IRAM and which parts do not? |
| 17:33:45 | bertrik | or is there enough of it now? |
| 17:33:53 | preglow | we've gotten more iram? |
| 17:33:55 | Buschel | preglow: i will have a look at it. |
| 17:34:25 | n1s | preglow: we only use 96kB even on targets with more currently |
| 17:34:28 | linuxstb | r0rshach: Just ask... |
| 17:34:31 | r0rshach | I can continute taking more photos? |
| 17:34:43 | r0rshach | shoot whoops |
| 17:34:44 | saratoga | bertrik: unless theres some specific need for IRAM in the core I don't see much sense in giving the core more since it uses relatively little CPU time compared to codecs |
| 17:34:45 | r0rshach | one sec |
| 17:34:53 | preglow | Buschel: anyway, i'm quite satisfied with our mpc seek efficiency as it is, i just want to keep our code as close to official as possible if there's not a good reason |
| 17:35:18 | preglow | well, if you ask me, the best place to use iram is for codecs and some occasional core stuff |
| 17:35:51 | r0rshach | Can I extract photos off my camera, w.o a pc, to my rockbox enabled player and store them in a folder? |
| 17:35:54 | GodEater | saratoga: did you have a specific target in mind for your RBaA GSoC project ? |
| 17:36:06 | GodEater | r0rshach: not currently |
| 17:36:11 | r0rshach | Awwwww |
| 17:36:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | No USB-host. |
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| 17:36:24 | GodEater | r0rshach: it's on someone's todo list though |
| 17:36:25 | r0rshach | that would have been so awesome |
| 17:36:26 | linuxstb | r0rshach: It also depends on which player you have - the hardware may not even be capable of it. |
| 17:36:35 | GodEater | good point |
| 17:36:43 | r0rshach | i got the iaudio x5 60 gigger |
| 17:36:59 | r0rshach | i figure you guys were working on that |
| 17:37:06 | r0rshach | ill keep my eyes peeled |
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| 17:39:05 | linuxstb | r0rshach: No-one seems to be working on USB host for the X5... |
| 17:39:10 | r0rshach | DOH |
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| 17:39:38 | Buschel | preglow: either i am blind or the seek code is not part of the sv8 svn-version |
| 17:39:41 | r0rshach | well for what its worth rockbox is still awesome as is and It makes the player way better |
| 17:39:52 | preglow | Buschel: yeah, sv8 is simpler to seek in |
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| 17:40:13 | r0rshach | its cool, i can pursure other option that will accomodate me, figure it didnt hurt to ask you guys |
| 17:40:22 | Buschel | preglow: yes, but the sv7-seek stuff seems to not be included |
| 17:40:45 | Buschel | preglow: the source should support both sv7 and sv8 |
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| 17:41:03 | preglow | weird |
| 17:43:23 | Buschel | preglow: btw, the current seek code allocates 4 bytes seek-table for each frame of the file |
| 17:43:53 | Buschel | preglow: this adds up to some 100KBs depending on duration of the track |
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| 17:45:02 | bertrik | Buschel: just curious, what kind of regression did r17470 cause? |
| 17:45:07 | preglow | Buschel: it doesn't matter, the codec buffer is always 512 kb |
| 17:45:25 | linuxstb | It would be nice to reduce it though... |
| 17:45:46 | preglow | sure, but the mpc seek table code can change the stride in the seek table for big files |
| 17:45:54 | preglow | so we could keep that arbitrarily small |
| 17:48:29 | Buschel | bertrik: if you were in the audiothread debug menu, it was not possible to skip one track. it always skipped 2. |
| 17:49:17 | Buschel | preglow: the stride did not work. i hardcoded the source to always use the seek table and set it to 512 entries. it crashes then. |
| 17:49:51 | Buschel | preglow: maybe the limitation to 512KB is the reason for a flyspray entry which describes playback and seek erros on long duration files >60min |
| 17:50:48 | preglow | Buschel: if that doesn't work, it wouldn't surprise me |
| 17:52:34 | Buschel | preglow: maybe its better to limit the seek table to each 40 frames or so. this would still lead to a precision of 1 second |
| 17:53:23 | Buschel | preglow: that's what i will try. |
| 17:55:25 | * | petur discovers the patch JdGordon gave him was not what he used for the fancy screenshots.... |
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| 17:57:50 | petur | it also neatly steps around some of the key issues like different gain options depending on source :( |
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| 18:01:04 | Evilnick | Just taken delivery of a gigabeast 8) |
| 18:01:28 | Evilnick | Time to get downloading the vmware build environment |
| 18:01:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | Evilnick: Ahoy there! :) |
| 18:02:17 | Evilnick | Hello! I can almost do my own personal ToR now! |
| 18:02:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | :) |
| 18:02:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | So you got a Beast, too? :) |
| 18:03:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: Just saw your comment on FS #8680. I think the MOD codec is ready for full-time, too. |
| 18:04:12 | Evilnick | I had to - I was using my iPod for too long. I'm blatantly not cool enough for that. |
| 18:05:20 | preglow | LambdaCalculus37: yeah, there has been some reports, but nothing is happening, so i think it's time to force the issue by commiting it |
| 18:05:49 | preglow | i'll see about it tonight |
| 18:05:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: I see no reason why it shouldn't be committed. I've already used it on three players with no issues. |
| 18:06:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | Evilnick: Want to jump onto #rockbox-community? |
| 18:18:00 | saratoga | GodEater: I was going to begin by merging in the Motorola EZX port to rockbox SVN |
| 18:18:30 | saratoga | but currently i'm somewhat stuck since I'm having a lot of trouble finding out about licensing and the build tools |
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| 18:26:56 | linuxstb | saratoga: How about ignoring specific device targets for now, and start to adapt Rockbox to a generic "Unix" target platform? This could use SDL for I/O, but wouldn't be a simulator of any specific target. |
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| 18:31:06 | linuxstb | preglow: Are you still interested in a backup h120? http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-iRiver-H120-mp3-player-20gb-H-120-i-river-20-gb-NR_W0QQitemZ320249233415QQihZ011QQcategoryZ114622QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
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| 18:31:40 | * | scorche|sh glares at linuxstb |
| 18:31:52 | * | linuxstb credits scorche|sh for the link |
| 18:32:06 | * | scorche|sh thinks about sniping it before preglow gets a chance |
| 18:32:14 | linuxstb | They have more than one... |
| 18:32:25 | scorche|sh | oh...missed that :) |
| 18:32:36 | * | scorche|sh apologizes to linuxstb for the glare |
| 18:34:19 | Evilnick | er, I'm getting some FPA errors when building the beast bootloader, with a brand new vmware image. Any ideas? |
| 18:35:30 | linuxstb | The brand new vmware needs updating... |
| 18:35:44 | preglow | linuxstb: nah, i think i'll just drop that |
| 18:35:52 | preglow | scorche|sh: go ahead :) |
| 18:36:04 | Evilnick | For a linux novice; can you let me know the commands needed? |
| 18:36:06 | linuxstb | Evilnick: You'll need to run rockboxdev.sh to rebuild the ARM compiler. |
| 18:36:18 | Evilnick | Marvellous. |
| 18:36:56 | linuxstb | Or you could just ask someone to give you a beast bootloader... |
| 18:37:12 | scorche|sh | Evilnick: sorry about that...been meaning to update that image |
| 18:37:45 | Evilnick | Well, I was trying to go the "teach a man to fish" route, rather than being too grasping... BUT, does anyone have the bootloader? And the sendfirm utility? |
| 18:37:53 | Evilnick | And a car? |
| 18:39:03 | linuxstb | You can build the sendfirm utility - you don't need arm-elf-gcc for that. |
| 18:39:28 | linuxstb | Although you'll need libmtp.... I think someone had a download of that as well - you could search the IRC logs. |
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| 18:40:00 | linuxstb | This is from gevaerts - http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/sendfirm |
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| 18:40:30 | Evilnick | Thanks linuxstb |
| 18:41:09 | Buschel | bye |
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| 18:48:00 | Evilnick | where is rockboxdev.sh located? Is it in the svn checkout? |
| 18:48:10 | linuxstb | Yes, in tools/ |
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| 18:52:16 | Evilnick | and should I update all architectures? |
| 18:53:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes, do so. |
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| 19:06:25 | jhMikeS | opinion requested: where's the nicest place to specify that an ARM target supports unaligned access? autoconfig.h or config*.h. It may or may not need to be turned on in system setup so it's not simply based on chosen CPU. |
| 19:09:23 | preglow | why would we want that? :> |
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| 19:13:56 | jhMikeS | preglow: just load words starting at any address like with mpeg parsing |
| 19:14:13 | | Part oswald_rocker |
| 19:14:44 | jhMikeS | it's faster to let the hardware do it than mask and shift afterall |
| 19:20:34 | jhMikeS | maybe I'll just make it compulsory for arm1136 (along with mixed-endian support) |
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| 19:24:03 | Vorador | Hi. Do you know that flyspray (your bug tracker) registration is currently broken? |
| 19:34:30 | n1s | LinusN: ping (see ^) also the http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/ page is blang and Bagder blamed your upgrading of php ;) |
| 19:34:45 | n1s | s/blang/blank/ |
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| 19:42:22 | fml | There is a patch about anti aliased fonts. Does this mean that rockbox can have them in a not so far future? Or is it a 'nodo'? |
| 19:43:53 | n1s | depends on who you ask :) |
| 19:44:07 | bluebrother | fml: it's quite controversial ... there was a (more or less) lengthy discussion a few days ago |
| 19:44:09 | domonoky | font aliasing is discussed very controversal, many think its too much bloat for too less gain.. |
| 19:44:33 | bluebrother | (search for amiconn thinking about forking) |
| 19:44:41 | bluebrother | me too thinks it's bloat. |
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| 19:45:16 | fml | Now the main question is who is "many." If they are the core developers then there is little chance |
| 19:45:30 | * | jhMikeS has though about forking too in order to support more capable hardware without restriction |
| 19:45:42 | * | preglow doesn't feel very strongly about anti-aliased fonts |
| 19:45:55 | fml | But I think the modern player have got enough RAM to have that. And that would allow nice fonts to be implemented. |
| 19:46:20 | jhMikeS | ipod video OF has antialiased fonts so I don't know why it would be a huge burdon |
| 19:46:46 | jhMikeS | I think even e200R OF does IIRC (have to look again) |
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| 19:46:55 | domonoky | fml: you never have enough ram and cpu, and there are better ways to spend cpu and ram, as for fonts.. |
| 19:46:59 | fml | But IMHO forking would be a pity |
| 19:47:03 | preglow | indeed |
| 19:47:18 | | Part atm |
| 19:47:20 | austriancoder | if someone has time.. please review: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7138?getfile=16543 |
| 19:47:34 | Neovanglist | http://www.osnews.com/story/19731 |
| 19:47:36 | Neovanglist | err |
| 19:47:40 | Neovanglist | doh, misfire |
| 19:47:40 | Neovanglist | sorry |
| 19:47:43 | fml | domonoky: for example? |
| 19:48:31 | domonoky | fml: how about dsp plugins.. :-) |
| 19:48:46 | n1s | austriancoder: have you seen the reports of problems with bass and treble setting son some players since your last commit? |
| 19:48:54 | * | preglow wants his relocatable plugin format, then |
| 19:49:00 | domonoky | doesnt the ipod OS fake the antialiasing with their always white background ? |
| 19:49:17 | Bagder | alpha blending! |
| 19:49:26 | austriancoder | n1s: yes... but it i need to contect a device owner to check some stuff |
| 19:49:50 | Llorean | domonoky: My understanding though is that it continues working even with iPodwizard used to change backdrop images. But this is just what I've heard. |
| 19:49:54 | * | jhMikeS thinks fair amount of nice graphics stuff can be implemented frugally |
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| 19:50:46 | fml | Couldn't we implement a somewhat reduced anti aliasing, i.e. only for a one-color-background? So when the font is loaded, it's "precalculated" for that background color |
| 19:50:55 | * | jhMikeS always means "implement" as in "nothing cut in capability" too |
| 19:51:33 | jhMikeS | fm1: I would never do it with anything less than blendable with anything or there no real point imho |
| 19:51:36 | Llorean | Have you guys tried the antialiased font patch and found it wanting, or just throwing alternate hypothesis around in advance? |
| 19:52:43 | fml | Llorean: I once wanted to create a font larger that nimbus14. Without anti aliasing, the next possible size was 19. A big step. |
| 19:52:54 | jhMikeS | alpha isn't really very CPU-intensive anyway |
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| 19:54:19 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Well the existing patch is used by a couple of unsupported builds for the Sansa which is probably, what, 3rd slowest color target because of its (relatively) large screen? |
| 19:54:19 | bluebrother | fml: still, it increases code size and complexity. So ... |
| 19:54:29 | Vorador | fml, you can check clR6x12-(12) font (Grey Scale theme -> http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=14918) which looks pretty good even without anti aliasing and silk nano icon theme ;) |
| 19:54:52 | preglow | if we are to implement alpha blending, we should surely do it properly, no hacks |
| 19:54:57 | fml | Llorean: I have not tried the patch. But I've seen enough comparisons of anti aliased vs. no anti aliased. And AA looks way better. |
| 19:54:59 | preglow | no one forces you to use it anyway |
| 19:55:17 | fml | bluebrother: sure. But it also gives you something. |
| 19:55:46 | Llorean | fml: If you haven't seen it on-player, comparing antialiased and normal versions of the same font, I don't see at all how you can say it looks "way better" |
| 19:55:57 | Llorean | The screens of the players make a significant difference. |
| 19:56:10 | bluebrother | sure. The big question is if it's worth the price. |
| 19:56:38 | bluebrother | IMO it would be much better to concentrate on making the current state better −− i.e. squash bugs etc. But I also think a release would be nice. |
| 19:57:24 | bluebrother | only adding new features all the time only tends to make the code unmaintainable. Or at least makes that much harder. |
| 19:57:37 | austriancoder | is a m:robe 100 owner online? |
| 19:57:47 | bluebrother | austriancoder: yes :) |
| 19:58:19 | fml | Vorador: the small font is too small for me, and in the large, I dont't like the round pieces, e.g. lower left rounding of 'e' and 'a' |
| 19:58:42 | Llorean | austriancoder: Would you have any idea why we've got many users saying they can't save bass/treble settings? They can set them, but they don't get saved on shutdown, at boot up they're not working. |
| 19:58:51 | jhMikeS | Llorean: but it's also a target with a memory framebuffer so really it's not slow at all |
| 19:59:02 | * | domonoky raises hand (for the m:robe100) |
| 19:59:16 | austriancoder | Llorean: i am checkig it atm |
| 19:59:18 | fml | bluebrother: properly implemented, it should have no impact at all on the main app code. |
| 19:59:32 | austriancoder | bluebrother: cool - can you help me in debugging this: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16719.0 |
| 19:59:40 | Llorean | austriancoder: Reports have come in on m:robe100, a few iPods, and I think the sansa. |
| 19:59:50 | fml | I know, the best way is to make a patch and see how the others find it. So I'll shut up. |
| 19:59:56 | jhMikeS | and I just looked and the e200R has antialiased font and seems to run quite well with it |
| 19:59:57 | austriancoder | Llorean: sansa is working... i have one |
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| 20:00:08 | Evilnick | I'm getting further in putting rockbox on my beast, but now having updated the dev environment so that i can build the bootloader, I get a "fatal: kernel too old" then a segmentation fault. I've used the sendfirm from gevaerts |
| 20:00:14 | bluebrother | fml: added functionality always has an impact −− at least code size and cpu usage, even if it's quite low. |
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| 20:00:24 | Llorean | austriancoder: Well there's two e200 users in the forums for whom it's not working. They can set bass/treble, but it doesn't save across shutdowns. |
| 20:00:40 | Vorador | Okey, anyone with iAudio X5 here? |
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| 20:00:57 | * | jhMikeS has one |
| 20:01:26 | jhMikeS | ...and it's still the best sounding player I've got |
| 20:01:34 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I was just basing it on mpegplayer performance, since that's the only approximation I've got for "overall performance" right now. |
| 20:01:38 | austriancoder | Llorean: ahh.. thats something different.. doesnt save settings across shutdowns.. but here i have made no change... |
| 20:01:50 | Vorador | Can you take a look at -> http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=14918 |
| 20:01:53 | bluebrother | austriancoder: you're referring to the diff you posted? Can you / someone (domonoky?) provide me a build? I'm not on my usual development environment (doing some w32 tests for rbutil) |
| 20:01:57 | pondlife | Urgh, redness... |
| 20:02:03 | fml | bluebrother: with that philosophy, we should cut away 80% of rockbox code and have it small and cute. |
| 20:02:05 | Vorador | Wrong link sorry. |
| 20:02:12 | Llorean | austriancoder: I said "doesn't save the setting across shutdowns" in my first statement to you too. It's just bass/treble, and reports started coming in since that one change of yours. |
| 20:02:15 | Vorador | Here -> http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16809.0 |
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| 20:02:24 | austriancoder | bluebrother: I will give you one.. |
| 20:02:29 | bluebrother | fml: right. But as I said earlier, the main question is if it's worth the price. |
| 20:02:50 | austriancoder | Llorean: ok |
| 20:03:23 | Llorean | fml: No, with that philosophy we need to weigh carefully any new feature vs its cost in binsize increase, cpu load, and code complexity. Antialiasing is an incredibly minor feature, over all, in terms of visual change. Especially on very small screens (which are most of them) |
| 20:04:14 | fml | bluebrother, Llorean: you always win |
| 20:04:17 | Vorador | jhMikeS? |
| 20:04:27 | jhMikeS | Vorador: mine is definitely black with the backlight turned off (which means graphical display is powered down but not the whole chip) |
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| 20:04:51 | jhMikeS | basically it looks just like it does when its off |
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| 20:05:07 | Vorador | Is there any way to not turn off the screen when backlight is off? |
| 20:05:48 | * | Llorean would like it to be noted that he, personally, is in favour of antialiasing being included if it can be done so in an efficient way, but nobody actually asked his opinion on the matter, just continued to make statements he had objections to... |
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| 20:06:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | Evilnick: Try using wget to save the file directly in the environment. |
| 20:06:21 | jhMikeS | Vorador: you're saying yours looks different when the backlight turns off that it does when powered down? |
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| 20:06:36 | Vorador | Yes. |
| 20:06:41 | pondlife | Anyone know how I build checkwps? |
| 20:06:53 | * | jhMikeS wonders how that's possible |
| 20:07:36 | krazykit | pondlife, read the readme in tools/checkwps ;) |
| 20:07:38 | bluebrother | pondlife: just run make? |
| 20:07:42 | Vorador | And are you sure your screen turns off completely? |
| 20:07:53 | Vorador | ..when backlight is off. |
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| 20:08:23 | * | bluebrother wonders if he committed the changes to the checkwps makefile to make building easier |
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| 20:09:24 | bluebrother^ | hmm. No, I didn't. |
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| 20:09:29 | Evilnick | Still getting the same error message. Anyone know how to install libmtp so I can build sendfirm myself? |
| 20:09:35 | Nico_P | pondlife: run buildall.sh |
| 20:09:50 | jhMikeS | Vorador: it does and the datasheet procedures were followed to the letter for both visible display poweroff and standby mode. could be that some hardware change happened along the line. |
| 20:10:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | Evilnick: sudo apt-get install libmtp libmtp-dev |
| 20:10:24 | bluebrother^ | any objections against me making checkwps build a bit easier? |
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| 20:10:51 | Nico_P | bluebrother: please do :) |
| 20:10:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: Good news... toffe82 successfully repaired my Beast! |
| 20:11:01 | Nico_P | LambdaCalculus37: awesome! :) |
| 20:11:19 | Vorador | jhMikeS, and is there any way to get the old behavior when the screen is not turned off when blacklight is off back? |
| 20:11:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | I have to seriously update the bootloader though; I'm about 9 versions behind. :) |
| 20:11:23 | toffe82 | :) |
| 20:11:31 | jhMikeS | LambdaCalculus37: :) BTW, there is an errate for the mc13783 that may have to with that problem |
| 20:11:34 | Vorador | *backlight |
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| 20:12:16 | jhMikeS | Vorador: removing a couple #defines in the config file should do it |
| 20:12:33 | Vorador | Could you send me a patch ;) |
| 20:13:27 | n1s | Vorador: try disabling lcd sleep, general settings -> display |
| 20:13:27 | Vorador | [someday] |
| 20:13:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: Is it okay to use a single-boot bootloader, or still stick with a dual-boot bootloader? |
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| 20:14:03 | Vorador | Doesn't work for me. |
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| 20:15:01 | jhMikeS | n1s: this sounds just bizarre to me that it should differ at all from having the power turned off |
| 20:15:31 | n1s | jhMikeS: well, yes it sounds kind of odd :) |
| 20:15:33 | jhMikeS | LambdaCalculus37: not if you want to charge but that's being worked on atm |
| 20:15:42 | Vorador | jhMikeS, I can make a video for you if you don't believe me ;) |
| 20:16:00 | jhMikeS | Vorador: I would like to see that, yes |
| 20:16:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | What version of Debian is the VMware image based on? |
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| 20:18:25 | Vorador | :) |
| 20:19:09 | austriancoder | bluebrother: http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/rb/rockbox-17273.zip and http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/rb/rockbox-r17475.zip -> change bass/treble settings and look which values are different from version to version (logf) |
| 20:20:43 | pondlife | Nico_P: http://pastebin.com/m63e11602 |
| 20:21:03 | pondlife | I must be missing something... |
| 20:21:50 | jhMikeS | Vorador: http://rafb.net/p/wb8TPU14.html (not tested but it should be enough to disable the powermangement there) |
| 20:22:24 | toffe82 | LambdaCalculus37: I am surprised it is still working ;) |
| 20:22:31 | Vorador | Thanks, I'll test it soon. |
| 20:23:03 | * | jhMikeS wonders why the sleep timer stuff was moved to the target backlight code (this makes no sense at all) |
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| 20:24:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | toffe82: Because it's running Rockbox and is really happy. :) |
| 20:25:12 | pondlife | bluebrother: Any hints on how I can compile checkwps... under Cygwin, note. |
| 20:25:35 | bluebrother | pondlife: give me a couple of minutes −− I'm about to check in a change to checkwps. |
| 20:25:40 | pondlife | OK |
| 20:25:59 | bluebrother | I haven't tested it on cygwin but it allows me to build it fine on MinGW, so I guess it should work on cygwin too |
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| 20:27:27 | pondlife | I have probably just broken checkwps.c, but can't build to check. You should have const char* parameters on load_remote_wps_backdrop() and load_wps_backdrop(). |
| 20:27:35 | pondlife | I can commit uncompiled if you like |
| 20:27:45 | * | jhMikeS tasers amiconn over the commit that did that |
| 20:28:53 | bluebrother | austriancoder: ok, it works fine with r17273. About to check the other revision now |
| 20:29:31 | austriancoder | bluebrother: fine.. can you note the b: and t: lines from logf? |
| 20:30:27 | bluebrother | pondlife: committed |
| 20:30:33 | pondlife | Thanks |
| 20:30:35 | * | jhMikeS wonders how many 5.5g owners haven't noticed the removal of the ata locking hack yesterday |
| 20:31:42 | Nico_P | some have? |
| 20:32:04 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: none I know about actually |
| 20:32:43 | Nico_P | I've had some dropouts at one point. looking at the buffering debug screen, they happened when the "real" value became negative |
| 20:32:59 | Nico_P | ...which shouldn't happen of course |
| 20:33:12 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I see that happen there quite often |
| 20:33:13 | bluebrother | austriancoder: no changes with r17475. Will retry, as logfdump seems to have hung |
| 20:33:48 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: yes, me too. this time was special though, as the value remained negative for longer than usual and caused the PCM buffer to empty |
| 20:33:49 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: should any values become negative? :) |
| 20:34:04 | pondlife | Surely not... |
| 20:34:42 | Nico_P | also loading time seem longer to me, but that might just be an impression |
| 20:36:27 | bluebrother | austriancoder: the logf only contains button events −− at least the r17475 build |
| 20:38:27 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I've never measured variation here and there more than a couple seconds with or without and that was before serializing metadata loading. |
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| 20:39:02 | austriancoder | bluebrother: hmm.. maybe i did something wrong with logf usage http://pastebin.com/m218e1b99 |
| 20:40:06 | austriancoder | bluebrother: I think i have found the mistake |
| 20:42:47 | Lear | Now this is weird. For some playlists (not all), resume (via bookmark or otherwise) will often cause a crash/freeze, but only if the resumed track is on the microSD (e200). The track plays fine if I don't resume. Anyone with a suggestion on what it might be caused by? |
| 20:43:56 | austriancoder | bluebrother: I have commited a fix.. could you test latest build, when it got compiled? |
| 20:44:06 | bluebrother | sure |
| 20:44:24 | Evilnick | scorche: Could I request that the vmware image be built with the updated build environment and if possible with libmtp and dependencies preinstalled? |
| 20:44:54 | Evilnick | Whenever you have time, obviously. |
| 20:45:16 | scorche|sh | yeah |
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| 20:59:07 | bluebrother | Bagder: what do you think about adding a diffstat output at the top of the svn commit mail notifications? |
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| 21:00:07 | * | austriancoder Build should have been done 8m 44s ago, at 20:51:02 |
| 21:02:27 | * | linuxstb sees austriancoder has broken the build system... ;) |
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| 21:03:26 | petur | that too? :p |
| 21:04:27 | Lear | Hmmm, increasing the dircache stack size seems to have helped... |
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| 21:06:49 | Nico_P | Lear: helped for what? |
| 21:07:25 | saratoga | i've noticed tthe build system doesn't really seem to make good use of my CPUs |
| 21:07:31 | * | linuxstb notices new warnings for checkwps for the touchpad targets (D2 and the music wardrobe 500) |
| 21:07:40 | saratoga | i think it averages maybe 20% CPU while running |
| 21:08:20 | austriancoder | make -j2 |
| 21:08:41 | saratoga | this is with make -j 4 |
| 21:08:49 | austriancoder | oh |
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| 21:11:56 | Lear | Nico_P: Playlist resume problem. |
| 21:13:48 | bluebrother | is the build server hanging? |
| 21:14:54 | petur | looks like it got kicked |
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| 21:15:21 | saratoga | could someone with a 128k IRAM Coldfire target (X5?) try buschel's patch? |
| 21:15:24 | petur | andd that didn't help it seems |
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| 21:17:27 | linuxstb | saratoga: Does it affect iaudios? Looking at the .lds files, IRAM seems to already be split 64KB/64KB on the X5/M5. |
| 21:18:55 | saratoga | linuxstb: ah didn't realize that was already resovled |
| 21:19:11 | saratoga | out of curiosity, do you know if we use the extra IRAM in core on that target? |
| 21:19:21 | saratoga | it would be nice if we could also use that IRAM for codecs |
| 21:19:41 | linuxstb | No, I've no idea how much core IRAM any of the targets use. "someone" should find out... |
| 21:20:00 | saratoga | i assume thats as easy as checking the .map files? |
| 21:20:07 | linuxstb | At least the codec and main stacks are always in IRAM - about 9KB each IIRC. |
| 21:20:10 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 21:20:21 | linuxstb | Plus I think the mem* functions are there (memset, memcpy etc) |
| 21:20:31 | linuxstb | And mono targets put the lcd framebuffer in IRAM... |
| 21:21:20 | saratoga | do we not have map files on the builds page anymore? |
| 21:21:28 | linuxstb | I was just thinking that... |
| 21:22:06 | linuxstb | Ah, seems they are on the "old" daily builds pages - e.g. http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=ipodcolor |
| 21:22:10 | bertrik | Ah we used to have map files? I wondered sometimes about that being useful to diagnose data and prefetch aborts |
| 21:23:37 | Lear | Slasheri: I get indications that the dircache size is too small, though I'm not sure why that would help after initial dircache build (could be that it moves things around in memory, hiding another problem that way). Any thoughts? |
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| 21:24:52 | linuxstb | saratoga: h140 for example is using 0xbe04 bytes (out of 0xc000 bytes) - so almost all of the 48KB. |
| 21:25:03 | saratoga | i get 50KB used for the x5 |
| 21:25:24 | linuxstb | Is the lcd framebuffer in IRAM on the x5? |
| 21:25:50 | linuxstb | Ah, no it's not. |
| 21:27:07 | saratoga | is speex in IRAM on the other targets? |
| 21:28:19 | n1s | linuxstb: but it probably has the 2bit remote buffer in iram |
| 21:28:26 | linuxstb | n1s: Yes, it does. |
| 21:28:56 | saratoga | actually i think i misread that |
| 21:29:09 | saratoga | assuming stack_end is the address of the end of the stack its only using 48KB |
| 21:29:24 | saratoga | in which case maybe the 48/80k split could be used on the X5 too |
| 21:29:53 | linuxstb | I make it 0xa3e4 bytes - so well under 48KB (0xc000) |
| 21:30:25 | saratoga | then lets do the same for coldfire, so that the arm stuff buschel and I are doing help the X5 too |
| 21:30:55 | linuxstb | We should check the M5 as well - that probably has the (greyscale) framebuffer in IRAM... |
| 21:32:19 | * | preglow wtfs |
| 21:32:32 | preglow | when trying to build ordinary builds now, naggage about a missing sysfont.h happens |
| 21:32:44 | saratoga | that was fixed yesterday i think |
| 21:32:49 | preglow | i just svn upped |
| 21:32:51 | saratoga | make veryclean and try again |
| 21:32:59 | saratoga | or maybe rerun configure |
| 21:33:01 | linuxstb | 0xbcb8 bytes on the M5 - so under 48KB as well... |
| 21:33:05 | preglow | i just tried that... |
| 21:33:07 | preglow | well, i'll try again |
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| 21:33:14 | n1s | preglow: have you added anything to SOURCES that doesn't exist? |
| 21:33:33 | preglow | n1s: perhaps i've typoed, but even so, why would this happen then? |
| 21:33:46 | n1s | old buildsystem bug |
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| 21:34:31 | n1s | see fs#7583 |
| 21:35:05 | n1s | maybe it's time to poke Bagder again ;) |
| 21:35:12 | preglow | n1s: i've added a file, and it seems to cause what you say, but it exists :/ |
| 21:35:19 | preglow | no, it does not |
| 21:35:29 | preglow | target/targer, same thing! |
| 21:35:39 | preglow | n1s: annoying bug, that |
| 21:35:49 | preglow | n1s: but thanks for the heads up |
| 21:37:00 | saratoga | i really need to find 3 straight hours when no one will bother me so i can work on the imdct in arm assembly |
| 21:37:11 | saratoga | i just suck so much at assembly though |
| 21:37:28 | preglow | well, using it is good traning :) |
| 21:37:31 | preglow | training too |
| 21:37:38 | das-perceptron | amiconn, good that I found you: The iRiver remote clock still seems to work too fast for some models (including mine) |
| 21:37:57 | amiconn | I know... |
| 21:38:29 | das-perceptron | Would it be possible to slow it down a little more? Is there anything that I can help for "debugging"? |
| 21:38:45 | * | amiconn needs to prepare a set of test builds |
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| 21:42:19 | das-perceptron | amiconn, good luck on that and thanks. If there is anything the owners of the affected devices can look up for you, please post in the bug list. Bye. |
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| 21:51:43 | tkooda | I recently had my F40 stolen. in looking for another F40, it looks like some 40GB iPod's are cheaper (and I think I like the wheel interface better than the gigabeat's cross), can anyone comment on weither or not I should get an iPod (4th gen?) instead of another Toshiba Gigabeat F40? |
| 21:52:19 | tkooda | any known issues with 4th gen ipod (didn't see any on the site) |
| 21:52:22 | tkooda | ? |
| 21:53:39 | Evilnick | tkooda: I would recommend the gigabeat over the iPod any-day |
| 21:53:48 | tkooda | why? |
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| 21:54:12 | Evilnick | It's faster in terms of decoding the audio files, connecting/disconnecting to USB. |
| 21:54:38 | Evilnick | However, the iPod does have a nicer screen (in terms of alignment anyway) |
| 21:54:50 | Evilnick | And far more support from case manufacturers etc! |
| 21:54:59 | tkooda | I know the GB's got a faster cpu.. but presuming it plays the same audio (and I don't need mpeg2 video)... |
| 21:55:18 | tkooda | how long does the ipod take to mount via usb? |
| 21:55:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | Depends. |
| 21:55:36 | tkooda | on? |
| 21:55:40 | Evilnick | I also think that the wheel isn't a very nice way to navigate. I've used an ipod video for a few months and I will still overshoot way more often |
| 21:56:22 | Llorean | tkooda: They don't play the same audio equally well. If you turn on too many DSP features and have a complex WPS you can experience playback dropouts on the iPod. As well, higher complexity formats (AAC+SBR, Monkey's Audio) won't play at all on iPods. |
| 21:57:33 | tkooda | is there any other hdd player recomended over the F40? |
| 21:57:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | The Gigabeat S, although that port needs a little more work. |
| 21:58:16 | Llorean | The Gigabeat S is just coming into its own, though the install process is still a bit complicated, and the port is in the early stages of being usable so not *everything* works well yet (for example, charging should still be done in the OF) |
| 21:58:25 | gevaerts | tkooda: the short summary is that it entirely depends on you |
| 21:58:26 | amiconn | Imho it all depends on what you want to do/use |
| 21:58:49 | * | jhMikeS is still yelling at powermgmt.c |
| 21:59:06 | * | amiconn deems the iriver H1x0 series the most versatile hdd based rockbox target |
| 21:59:18 | * | Llorean seconds amiconn's opinion there. |
| 21:59:28 | * | LambdaCalculus37 goes home |
| 21:59:29 | Llorean | Versatile for audio, especially. |
| 21:59:38 | * | gevaerts thinks that ebay prices of the H1x0s confirm that opinion |
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| 21:59:53 | toffe82 | amiconn: have you seen the block diagram of the hdd6330 ? |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:04 | * | jhMikeS likes his H120 for recording by far over anything else |
| 22:00:21 | amiconn | No, why? |
| 22:00:28 | jhMikeS | they'll never make one like that again |
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| 22:00:59 | toffe82 | amiconn: to see if it is like something you know with a pp (some component...) |
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| 22:02:19 | linuxstb | tkooda: My ear's aren't the best, but the Gigabeat sounds better than the 4th Gen ipod to me. I can't tell a difference between the 5th gen ipod and the Gigabeat though. |
| 22:02:30 | toffe82 | philips make a dock which is compatible gogear and ipod with the difference of the connector |
| 22:02:31 | linuxstb | (but others claim the Gigabeat sounds better) |
| 22:02:49 | tkooda | iriver h1x0's seem expensive on ebay, or only like 20GB |
| 22:07:03 | amiconn | jhMikeS: powermgmt.c needs a fundamental inside-out rework anyway |
| 22:07:46 | amiconn | That's a requirement for g1/g2 suspend, proper iaudio power management, ... |
| 22:07:56 | saratoga | i have high hopes for the S as a HD based player, the button layout on it is quite nice |
| 22:08:20 | saratoga | none of that touchpad nonsense |
| 22:08:40 | * | Llorean will probably always prefer discrete buttons. |
| 22:09:11 | * | amiconn too |
| 22:09:22 | preglow | me too, i guess |
| 22:09:39 | linuxstb | I've never got on with the h1x0's joystick though. |
| 22:09:58 | amiconn | I used my new "super-mini" this weekend, and while it's really nice to be able to carry all my music on such a small and robust device, the wheel always annoys me |
| 22:10:16 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I'm ready to move on it due to the new charging algorithm required for the beast |
| 22:10:44 | toffe82 | try to the gogear serie and you will like better the discretes buttons |
| 22:10:53 | saratoga | i'm really surpised the S has software charging, i'd think that'd be too dangerous |
| 22:11:27 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Basically, the inner loop should call the various functions, instead of the current method to implement the more frequent task as the "sleep function" for the once-per-minute tasks |
| 22:11:57 | amiconn | That's a pretty fundamental change though, and needs testing on all targets, especially recorder v1 (software NiMH chargign) |
| 22:12:26 | amiconn | saratoga: I think it's software charging with hardware protection |
| 22:12:28 | jhMikeS | saratoga: why would it be too dangerous? |
| 22:13:02 | * | preglow wonders why anyone would implement software charging |
| 22:13:13 | preglow | tons of nice cheap charging chips around |
| 22:13:15 | * | amiconn wouldn't dare coming too close to a purely software charged LiIon cell |
| 22:13:18 | saratoga | because if you put too much current into a lipoly battery they catch fire and then cause lawsuits |
| 22:13:51 | jhMikeS | saratoga: why program it to put too much current in? :) |
| 22:14:00 | * | linuxstb resurrects the "torch" plugin |
| 22:14:17 | amiconn | The iaudio X5 and M5 have kinda hybrid charging. All basic charging control is done by hardware (the PCF), but in order to get 500mA USB charging, we need to implement software control |
| 22:14:24 | * | bertrik points linuxstb to the fireworks plugin |
| 22:14:25 | amiconn | Otherwise it will only charge at 100mA |
| 22:14:32 | saratoga | the "too much" point for current varies as a function of temperture and charge cycle, so its more a case of failing to not program too much current |
| 22:14:55 | * | preglow sees his first sd card attempts fail |
| 22:15:13 | jhMikeS | saratoga: it's has current and temperature readout. the Lion cell charging really isn't that difficult |
| 22:15:26 | saratoga | hardware charging is fail safe, since it typically involves a dedicated gate array that watches the temperture and voltage level |
| 22:16:03 | saratoga | what happens if the player crashes? does the charging circuit disengage if the CPU stops talking to it? |
| 22:16:10 | amiconn | My main concern isn't that the algorithm miscalculates something, but that the software crashes, leaving a high charging current set without control |
| 22:16:13 | jhMikeS | it's not much different from PP or x5 in that you turn on the charging current by software |
| 22:16:38 | saratoga | thats basically hardware charging then . . . |
| 22:16:39 | jhMikeS | it has a voltage limiter and then you watch battery current for the constant voltage phase. |
| 22:16:40 | amiconn | But if the charging voltage is capped properly, there is no problem |
| 22:16:48 | amiconn | (in hardware) |
| 22:16:57 | jhMikeS | but you must turn the charger off in software once it's done |
| 22:17:04 | bertrik | amiconn: sure about that? what voltage would be safe then? |
| 22:17:26 | saratoga | as long as the hardware is throttleing the current and not the software, its more or less a hardware charger |
| 22:17:40 | jhMikeS | the battery will slowly rise above the limit in order to continout past the constant current stage |
| 22:17:43 | saratoga | since you can't really over charge such a system |
| 22:17:50 | amiconn | bertrik: I mean in hardware, of course. The exact LiIon end-of-charging voltage is temperature and model dependent |
| 22:18:22 | jhMikeS | you can and you never leave Lion batteries trickly charging, you stop charge and let them drop again to about 4.05V and then top off again |
| 22:19:36 | bertrik | amiconn: so to properly charge you need a table of end-of-charging voltages vs. temperature? |
| 22:20:02 | * | jhMikeS is glad to be able to use a charge current readout to make things simpler. :) |
| 22:20:19 | amiconn | bertrik: No, you need a chip that controls end-of-charge voltage, matching the cell |
| 22:20:34 | amiconn | ...and in good thermal contact with the cell |
| 22:21:26 | bertrik | I am looking at charging for the e200/c200's that use a AS3514 for charging but I'm getting confusing results |
| 22:22:02 | bertrik | I can configure a max. charging current and charging voltage, but there's no mention of temperature factoring into that, except for a high-temperature safety of course |
| 22:22:43 | amiconn | hmm |
| 22:22:49 | jhMikeS | Lion packs have safety circuitry built in to keep things in safe limits. this gives a charging algorithm for Lion: http://www.panasonic.com/industrial/battery/oem/images/pdf/panasonic_liion_charging.pdf |
| 22:23:03 | * | amiconn thinks doing that properly needs a little OF RE |
| 22:24:03 | Lear | On a data abort on the arm, does the address readout say anything useful? |
| 22:24:25 | preglow | Lear: well, yeah, where it happened |
| 22:24:26 | gevaerts | It should be the address of the instruction that caused the abort |
| 22:24:31 | saratoga | i think most people just assume a constant temperture when charging and expect the hardware to cut out if it gets too hot |
| 22:24:41 | preglow | Lear: at least i think i fixed it up so that it's the correct address |
| 22:25:33 | bertrik | The AS3514 does have an end-of-charge bit, but it seems to become active before reaching the configured voltage. In some cases it doesn't become set at all (e.g. when charging a battery that is already quite close to the max. charge voltage). |
| 22:25:43 | Lear | Hrm, so would an abort in crt0-pp make sense? |
| 22:25:53 | gevaerts | Of course you can get a data abort (indirectly) from stack corruption as well |
| 22:25:57 | saratoga | hmm blackhawk made a random post about getting rockbox running on his ezx without using the motorola QTE headers at all, but rather some native linux api |
| 22:26:04 | saratoga | i really need to find this guy |
| 22:26:07 | Lear | Sorry, read wrong... |
| 22:26:11 | jhMikeS | bertrik: it's quite the case that if a battery is too close to max it shouldn't start the charging cycle at all. |
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| 22:26:55 | bertrik | jhMikeS: unfortunately, how close is not mentioned in the data sheet |
| 22:27:11 | Lear | buffering.c seems like it. Makes sense, as it happens during buffering... |
| 22:28:26 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Did you test your checkwps Makefile change on cygwin? |
| 22:29:02 | bluebrother | linuxstb: no, I currently don't have cygwin around. But it's similar to *patcher, so I assumed it works just fine. Are there issues? |
| 22:29:30 | linuxstb | bluebrother: IIUC, Makefile variables are case-sensitive, and you used "ext" for Cygwin. |
| 22:30:07 | bluebrother | you're correct −− that's definitely a bug |
| 22:30:10 | jhMikeS | bertrik: follow that link and it tells about it. (I've done other reaseach but that sums it up nicely with the flowchart) |
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| 22:32:04 | bluebrother | linuxstb: change committed −− thanks for noting. |
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| 22:32:39 | bluebrother | for some unknown reason I overlooked that ... should install cygwin :o |
| 22:39:39 | evilnick | I'm now trying to setup the crosscompiler in Ubuntu, when I try to run the rockboxdev.sh script then it closes the Terminal window. My command is: ". rockboxdev.sh" (minus quotes), what am I doing wrong? |
| 22:39:55 | bertrik | jhMikeS: ah so the important parts are that the charger may modify the termination voltage based on current temperature and that we there should be a (yet unknown) minimal difference between the current battery voltage and the voltage configured in the charger? |
| 22:40:02 | bluebrother | evilnick: it's "./", not ". " |
| 22:40:16 | evilnick | Yay for silly mistakes |
| 22:40:16 | tkooda | is there any effort by audio player manufacturers to begin to use some "standard"/"open" interface? (e.g. alternative to "iPod port/interface") |
| 22:40:28 | tkooda | (for controlling player) |
| 22:40:43 | saratoga | tkooda: not really |
| 22:40:59 | mcuelenaere | evilnick: . refers to the current directory, so it would the same as path/to/dir/rockboxdev.sh |
| 22:41:52 | evilnick | Right, so how do I run the darn thing? |
| 22:41:59 | saratoga | soap: around? |
| 22:42:03 | evilnick | It's set to be executable |
| 22:42:38 | mcuelenaere | evilnick: like bluebrother said, ./rockboxdev.sh |
| 22:43:07 | linuxstb | evilnick: Open up a terminal window, type "cd /path/to/rockbox/tools/", then type "sudo ./rockboxdev.sh" |
| 22:43:22 | evilnick | Cool. Thanks guys, I'll install PATCH and try again. |
| 22:43:42 | bluebrother | evilnick: if the script isn't marked as executable you can either chmod +x or put the interpreter in front −− in that case, "bash ./rockboxdev.sh" |
| 22:45:35 | evilnick | bluebrother: I'm very new to linux, or some aspects of it. I had an extra space AFTER the ./ |
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| 22:47:23 | jhMikeS | bertrik: Current draw seems to be more significant a factor than termination voltage. The hardware should handle the voltage part. |
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| 22:49:37 | bluebrother | hmm. Installed cygwin and building checkwps fails due to the ATTRIBUTE_PRINTF in debug.h. Do I need to install special stuff for that to work? |
| 22:50:07 | amiconn | There's probably an #include missing |
| 22:51:58 | evilnick | I'm being told that my C compiler cannot create executables |
| 22:52:13 | gevaerts | on linux ? |
| 22:52:18 | evilnick | Ubuntu |
| 22:52:31 | Bagder | then you probably lack some of the necessary packages |
| 22:52:36 | saratoga | have you installed a c compiler? |
| 22:52:42 | linuxstb | Try "sudo apt-get install build-essential" |
| 22:53:09 | * | gevaerts had that once after accidentally screwing up the permissions on /tmp |
| 22:53:13 | bertrik | The AS3514 handles both the charge current and the voltage, but does not allow to measure current (as far as I know anyway). There is an end-of-charge indication on which the software has to act to stop the charger. The datasheet mentions that end-of-charge current level is at 10% Inom (typical) |
| 22:53:35 | evilnick | I'm following the instructions on the crosscompiler wiki. |
| 22:53:55 | amiconn | bluebrother: firmware/include/_ansi.h |
| 22:54:36 | gevaerts | evilnick: what happens if you run "gcc" ? Does it complain about not finding gcc, or does it say "no input files" ? |
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| 22:55:19 | evilnick | It was probably not installed. I've just installed the build-essential package |
| 22:55:47 | jhMikeS | bertrik: 10% is what's mentioned in the panasonic info too (0.1CmA) |
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| 22:57:57 | jhMikeS | so on the S with a stock battery, we stop at 70mA |
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| 23:01:20 | evilnick | Ah. NOW I see the note for Ubuntu users. Sorry all. |
| 23:03:02 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Were there tests/reports that the sleep-at-ata-poweron fixes the problems on G5.5? |
| 23:03:34 | * | amiconn is a bit puzzled, because *enabling* the hack on mini (before the fix) didn't help at all |
| 23:05:46 | jhMikeS | amiconn: Nico_P checked it |
| 23:06:03 | Nico_P | my test was rather basic |
| 23:07:23 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I don't remember much delay in hearing "unresponsive" on previous tries :) |
| 23:07:39 | Nico_P | hehe :) |
| 23:08:19 | Nico_P | it does feel more responsive than it was without the hack before the fix, but I can't guarantee the behaviour is the same without and with the hack |
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| 23:09:39 | jhMikeS | that's why I just decided to let time pass with it disabled and see if anything comes up |
| 23:09:54 | * | chrisjs169 hopes gevaerts is on |
| 23:11:24 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I wouldn't expect everything to be precisely the same in terms of times or whatnot but things should run just fine as with other targets. |
| 23:11:34 | * | gevaerts wonders what he has done now |
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| 23:12:22 | chrisjs169 | from what i understand, you're familiar with recovering sansa's, correct? ;) |
| 23:12:26 | * | linuxstb spots a Clip owner... |
| 23:12:51 | gevaerts | Depends on what's broken I guess. |
| 23:12:57 | * | dan_a spots someone who's got further with the Clip than he did |
| 23:13:00 | chrisjs169 | i2c on e200 |
| 23:13:11 | linuxstb | dan_a: I had everyone elses work to build on though... |
| 23:13:36 | gevaerts | hmm. I've never actually gone that far. |
| 23:13:39 | chrisjs169 | normally, i'd just use e200tool and be on my way, but for some reason the sansa isn't showing up in lsusb |
| 23:13:52 | gevaerts | lsusb as root ? |
| 23:14:20 | linuxstb | dan_a: Are you still interested in hacking it? |
| 23:14:24 | * | chrisjs169 checks |
| 23:14:32 | chrisjs169 | lsusb as root doesn't make a difference |
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| 23:14:57 | dan_a | linuxstb: I am |
| 23:15:32 | Lear | Hm, buffering thread stack seems to be larger than necessary... |
| 23:15:42 | gevaerts | I've not had i2c issues yet, so I can't really suggest anything |
| 23:16:05 | dan_a | I've not done anything on it in a long time though, and I've never been any good at reading disassemblies |
| 23:16:21 | linuxstb | dan_a: Do you understand how the library blocks are organised in the firmware file? I'm not sure how to calculate their start addresses... |
| 23:16:22 | chrisjs169 | gevaerts, a while back (nearly a year ago) i managed to brick my sansa by shorting the daughterboard due to a drop of water, which put it into preboot mode. i suppose what i'm asking is do you know if the i2c is stored on the daugherboard? |
| 23:16:32 | * | amiconn spotted something interesting in the DEV_EN table |
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| 23:16:39 | gevaerts | I don't know, sorry |
| 23:16:49 | domonoky | bluebrother: you forgot the elides when you change the backup filename in rbutil.. :-) |
| 23:16:51 | Bagder | chrisjs169: I don't think anyonw knows where that memory is physically located |
| 23:17:14 | * | gevaerts can fix nand flash issues on c200, but i2c issues on e200 are unfortunately still out of his reach |
| 23:17:24 | chrisjs169 | Bagder, ok, I figured since e200tool can read from it, it'd be known |
| 23:17:33 | linuxstb | dan_a: The Clip OF contains a lot of thumb code, which makes it nastier as well. At least for me using objdump (I should start using IDA...) |
| 23:17:53 | Bagder | chrisjs169: only from the processor's view, not from physical |
| 23:18:09 | chrisjs169 | Bagder, ah |
| 23:18:28 | dan_a | linuxstb: I don't understand it at the moment. I'll have a look at what everyone else has found out so far, and see what I can add to that |
| 23:19:07 | chrisjs169 | Bagder, do you know if it's possible for the sansa to try running/executing/(whatever the proper word is) the i2c, failing, and not go into preboot mode? I'm rather stumped as to how it isn't going into either preboot or manufacturing mode |
| 23:19:53 | Bagder | chrisjs169: we've not seen it happen before, but I guess everything is possible even though unusual |
| 23:21:00 | chrisjs169 | Bagder, ok. I've always heard (and said) that it isn't possible to brick a Sansa without hardware modifications, so I've just been rather confused |
| 23:21:37 | bluebrother | domonoky: I did? Dang. |
| 23:21:47 | Bagder | chrisjs169: so how did it end up like this? |
| 23:21:55 | * | domonoky just fixed.. another commit count increase.. :-) |
| 23:22:44 | chrisjs169 | Bagder, I had put a copy of the i2c rom on the recovery mode partition, and the sansa froze while writing it |
| 23:22:54 | bluebrother | hehe |
| 23:23:39 | gevaerts | And since then it does basically nothing ? Did you do a hard reset ? |
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| 23:24:19 | chrisjs169 | gevaerts, I've done everything from hard resets, to booting with no battery (power via usb), to removing the daugherboard itself, without any luck |
| 23:24:21 | Bagder | chrisjs169: I would expect that you just use the extension ".bin" and replace your BL with it... |
| 23:24:33 | Bagder | s/you/to |
| 23:24:43 | Bagder | hm no |
| 23:24:46 | Bagder | the BL is .rom |
| 23:24:59 | chrisjs169 | yeah |
| 23:25:00 | chrisjs169 | i2c is .bin |
| 23:25:15 | chrisjs169 | suppose "i2c rom" wasn't correct then |
| 23:25:34 | Bagder | but the BL has no known way of writing it |
| 23:25:52 | * | linuxstb hugs his "unbrickable" telechips devices with their usb boot mode safely stored in ROM |
| 23:26:14 | * | gevaerts dares linuxstb to lend one of these to chrisjs169 |
| 23:26:27 | chrisjs169 | gevaerts, heh |
| 23:26:34 | chrisjs169 | Bagder, really? because placing an i2c.bin file on the 16mb-format drive causes it to write it |
| 23:26:35 | * | Bagder offers a quote from an old mrh mail: |
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| 23:26:47 | Bagder | "You do not upload i2c.bin via 'recover'. You copy it to the recovery 'disk' and hopefully it will be written to the i2c boot-ROM" |
| 23:27:05 | linuxstb | "hopefully" ? ;) |
| 23:27:07 | Bagder | "You NEVER ever copy ANY .bin file on the recovery disk unless you cannot get to the manufacturing mode anymore." |
| 23:27:27 | chrisjs169 | Bagder, yeah, that's what I noticed |
| 23:27:29 | gevaerts | That seems to match what we see |
| 23:27:29 | Bagder | "I cannot emphasize this point too much." |
| 23:27:35 | scorche|sh | Bagder: what about renaming a patch to the BL name and copying it over? ;) |
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| 23:28:59 | pixelma | is the SoundCodecWMA page up to date? And what was the type/version wma Rockbox can not play? |
| 23:29:07 | evilnick | I've run the rockboxdev.sh script, added the PATH line to my .bashrc file (for my user), when i run ../tools/configure from the build directory to create the makefile then I get an error telling me that the gcc compiler is not in my path! |
| 23:29:25 | bluebrother | Bagder: don't know if you saw it in the logs: what do you think about adding a diffstat output at the top of the svn commit notifications? |
| 23:29:38 | linuxstb | pixelma: I think it's just "wma pro" (v9?) and "wma lossless" |
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| 23:29:45 | gevaerts | evilnick: .bashrc is only evaluated when you start a new shell. |
| 23:29:47 | Bagder | bluebrother: a fair idea, indeed |
| 23:29:58 | pixelma | linuxstb: thanks :) |
| 23:30:05 | evilnick | gevaerts: thanks again. That's good to know! |
| 23:30:10 | chrisjs169 | i've thought that since my last sansa went directly to preboot after I shorted the daughterboard, the i2c would be stored somewhere on the daughterboard as well (perhaps that small chip on the bottom? |
| 23:30:11 | bluebrother | evilnick: as a start you could "export PATH=/your/compiler/path:$PATH" |
| 23:30:40 | Bagder | chrisjs169: quite possibly |
| 23:31:16 | mcuelenaere | "Build should have been done 117m 50s ago, at 21:33:09" -> shouldn't this get fixed? |
| 23:31:43 | chrisjs169 | Bagder, that's what seems odd though - if it was, the sansa should be in preboot mode right now (i have the daugherboard out) instead of some dead mode |
| 23:33:14 | Bagder | ah |
| 23:33:35 | Bagder | mcuelenaere: poking it |
| 23:34:14 | mcuelenaere | Bagder: thanks :) |
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| 23:34:40 | jhMikeS | amiconn: what did you mean exactly by "the inner loop should call the various functions"? It sounds like you're saying the inner loop should just be gone and use one loop instead. |
| 23:35:21 | Bagder | mcuelenaere: the zen vision build needs a unique target_id, not it has the same as zvm (in configure) |
| 23:35:31 | Bagder | s/not/now |
| 23:36:30 | voltagex | I'm trying to compile rbutilqt, I've installed libusb but I get autodetection.cpp:24:17: error: usb.h: No such file or directory |
| 23:36:32 | mcuelenaere | Bagder: ok, does this need to be set somewhere else too ? (ie config-xxx.h ?) |
| 23:36:33 | Bagder | 39 is available |
| 23:37:17 | Bagder | no, it's just a way to keep track of things in the configure for the most cases |
| 23:37:35 | gevaerts | voltagex: linux ? |
| 23:37:43 | voltagex | gevaerts: mac |
| 23:38:39 | gevaerts | Does it distinguish runtime and development packages ? You might need to install the libusb devel package |
| 23:39:11 | chrisjs169 | gevaerts, here's one you might be able to help on - what program could i use as a usb sniffer? |
| 23:39:34 | voltagex | gevaerts: no packaging system on os x by defult, I'm using macports and it doesn't seem to have libusb-dev |
| 23:39:50 | gevaerts | voltagex: I don't know then |
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| 23:40:13 | linuxstb | voltagex: Did it actually install usb.h anywhere? e.g. /usr/include/usb.h or /usr/local/include/usb.h |
| 23:40:25 | voltagex | linuxstb: /opt...somewhere |
| 23:40:28 | gevaerts | chrisjs169: I've used the wireshark/usbmon way for a bit, but I'm actually more used to sniffing hardware |
| 23:40:49 | linuxstb | voltagex: Then that's probably the problem - you need to add that to the -I include path somewhere in the rbutilqt Makefile |
| 23:41:26 | voltagex | /opt/local/include |
| 23:41:55 | linuxstb | I think you'll need to add that to INCPATH in rbutilqt/Makefile |
| 23:42:26 | linuxstb | And maybe add /opt/local/lib to LIBS |
| 23:42:54 | voltagex | strange, the makefile had -Included most of /opt/local |
| 23:43:09 | voltagex | but not /opt/local/include |
| 23:43:50 | voltagex | anyone with a mac feel like testing my new binary? |
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| 23:48:46 | bluebrother | voltagex: add the path to the INCLUDEPATH variable in rbutilqt.pro |
| 23:49:21 | bluebrother | or LIBS += -L/opt/libusb |
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| 23:51:12 | chrisjs169 | gevaerts, ok, thanks. sadly, i'm getting absolutely no usb info from my sansa |
| 23:55:05 | bluebrother | Strange. Trying to build checkwps on cygwin fails because _ANSIDECL_H_ seems to be already defined!? |
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