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| 00:03:59 | preglow | problems, yes, but nothing in that area has changed |
| 00:07:36 | * | gevaerts dislikes FS #8230. The bug is about the manual, but the discussion is about the feature |
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| 00:08:28 | Llorean | gevaerts: Well, if the feature were to be changed it would be directly relevant to updating / including it in the manual |
| 00:08:38 | amiconn | preglow: I was referring to the wrapped lines bug |
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| 00:09:45 | Llorean | gevaerts: If you feel like implementing my suggestion and then documenting it, all this can go away. ;) |
| 00:10:22 | * | gevaerts blames Llorean for all this ;) |
| 00:10:49 | gevaerts | Can manual specialists review my patch in FS #8230 ? |
| 00:10:52 | * | Llorean adds another item in his "list of things that are my fault" |
| 00:11:35 | petur | heh, I recently saw FS #8993 but had forgotten all about it |
| 00:12:03 | * | gevaerts gives Llorean more paper so he can make a really long list |
| 00:12:42 | Llorean | petur: That's the first time I've seen someone report an "event not found" panic. |
| 00:13:08 | petur | I saw it about two weeks ago, only seen it once |
| 00:14:58 | bertrik | I think I've seen someone mention it in the forums |
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| 00:15:27 | preglow | amiconn: the bug is there even if loaded directly via tcctool |
| 00:15:53 | preglow | amiconn: only difference is that the upper two lines are no longer wrapped to the bottom, just clipped |
| 00:16:10 | preglow | amiconn: plus, it's pretty unlikely a load error can result in that |
| 00:16:31 | preglow | can the sansas boot from sd? |
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| 00:17:53 | * | gevaerts never tried |
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| 00:18:29 | shotofadds | evening boys n girls... |
| 00:18:29 | bertrik | event 257 is DISK_EVENT_SPINUP, this event is removed in unregister_ata_idle_func, which is only called from scrobbler_shutdown as far as I can see |
| 00:18:38 | shotofadds | just a quickie as I saw you were discussing the repeated lines bugg.. |
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| 00:19:07 | preglow | shotofadds: oy, what do you know about how the sd card power is hooked up? :> |
| 00:19:59 | shotofadds | the bug isn't related to flash access, I suspect it's caused by the LCD reinitialisatio between bootloader and main binaries. I haven't investigated too much tho. |
| 00:20:16 | shotofadds | preglow: I know about as much as you :p |
| 00:20:29 | shotofadds | have you checked the PCF outputs listed on the wiki? |
| 00:20:45 | preglow | i'm definintely on the right track with the sd stuff, now my problem is that i can't make the sd card report it's powered up. when i get that going, it should progress faster |
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| 00:21:04 | preglow | shotofadds: yeah, disabling most of those voltages gives a black screen and needs resetting |
| 00:21:17 | * | shotofadds is glad those chinese guys actually got the D2 to boot and display the theme correctly :-) |
| 00:21:18 | preglow | shotofadds: disabling d1reg does little |
| 00:21:35 | preglow | what lpreg1 and 2 do i don't know, and i don't really dare enable them yet |
| 00:21:41 | shotofadds | I noticed the black-screen-y-ness and stopped playing with those regs... |
| 00:22:02 | preglow | shotofadds: any idea how the cpu power is hooked up? the pcf doesn't seem to generate 1.1 volts |
| 00:22:05 | preglow | 1.2 |
| 00:22:17 | shotofadds | I have some psuedo-code for the OF PCF init, if that helps |
| 00:23:03 | preglow | would be cool |
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| 00:25:23 | shotofadds | try http://www.pastebin.ca/1019554 |
| 00:25:53 | preglow | sweet, thanks |
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| 00:27:27 | shotofadds | I can't guarantee its correctness, though. if you want to check, it's really easy to find in the disassembly. |
| 00:27:58 | shotofadds | it's the first BL in the routine pointed to by the LDR PC at 0x200000e8 |
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| 00:29:31 | preglow | hmmm |
| 00:29:34 | preglow | dcdc isn't touched |
| 00:29:38 | preglow | i should read back what that contains |
| 00:29:50 | preglow | afaik, pcfs come preprogrammed with system voltages, for reset situations |
| 00:30:22 | shotofadds | yes, I suspect they're preprogrammed. |
| 00:30:45 | shotofadds | you can retrieve pre-initialised values by shutting down the OF and booring Rockbox |
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| 00:31:01 | shotofadds | hmmm.. that's not what I meant |
| 00:31:04 | shotofadds | and makes no sense at all |
| 00:31:06 | shotofadds | ignore me |
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| 00:35:30 | * | shotofadds will be back in a few days. Feel free to fix the D2 LCD bug in the meantime :p |
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| 00:40:17 | bertrik | Anyone know of any particular reason why function name STOP_AUTOSCROLL in credits.c is all upper-case? |
| 00:40:25 | * | preglow suddenly wants to work on unifying the pcf drivers |
| 00:40:52 | preglow | amiconn: is rockbox meant to have a common i2c api across targets? |
| 00:40:55 | preglow | would it even make sense? |
| 00:41:21 | preglow | i would just have to put pcf5060x_write and _read in target/, i guess |
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| 00:42:15 | meowsqueak | got a strange problem - just wanted to know if I should submit a bug report: |
| 00:43:22 | meowsqueak | sometimes when I pick up my Iriver H120 and it was turned OFF, I notice the backlight is already on and it displays something like "Unknown Event ID 257" (sorry, can't reproduce right now, don't know exact message). If I hold OFF then it disappears and Rockbox boots. Is this a message from the bootloader perhaps? |
| 00:43:59 | meowsqueak | the problem is it appears to be running down my batteries - so it must be happening a fair bit when I'm not observing it |
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| 00:44:34 | meowsqueak | it started happening about a week ago, after I upgraded Rockbox recently. |
| 00:44:35 | bertrik | Most likely it already happened on shutdown and you only notice it later |
| 00:45:09 | meowsqueak | bertrik: I've been keeping an eye on that, you might be right. I don't think I've seen it happen after shutdown yet tho. In fact it hasn't happened in a few days. |
| 00:45:24 | bertrik | meowsqueak: can you try the fix in this bug report http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8993 ? |
| 00:45:30 | meowsqueak | I'll take a look |
| 00:45:54 | bertrik | If you know how to reproduce it, please add it to the task |
| 00:46:02 | meowsqueak | yeah that's the message |
| 00:46:13 | meowsqueak | I don't know how to reproduce unfortunately, but I'll have a think about it |
| 00:46:33 | preglow | meowsqueak: weird... doesn't look like rockbox has such a string |
| 00:46:46 | meowsqueak | preglow: bootloader maybe? |
| 00:46:53 | preglow | just grepped the entire tree |
| 00:47:01 | preglow | including bootloaer |
| 00:47:07 | meowsqueak | ah |
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| 00:47:50 | preglow | sure that's exactly what it says? |
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| 00:48:04 | bertrik | preglow: it's in events.c line 72 |
| 00:48:08 | meowsqueak | bertrik: thanks for the tracker link - I'll report back there if I find anything |
| 00:48:09 | preglow | yeah, no "id" |
| 00:48:19 | meowsqueak | preglow: the message is: *PANIC* |
| 00:48:19 | meowsqueak | event 257 not foun |
| 00:48:22 | meowsqueak | d |
| 00:48:38 | preglow | well, the bug seems to be noticed |
| 00:48:39 | meowsqueak | according to that tracker, which looks right |
| 00:48:44 | meowsqueak | but my memory isn't perfect |
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| 00:52:45 | petur | bertrik: that fix looks good code to have anyway, why not commit it. Since it is a bit of a rare bug, we'll see if it stops happening after today ;) |
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| 00:53:54 | bertrik | petur: OK, but I wonder why scrobbler_shutdown appears to be called multiple times. |
| 00:54:20 | petur | I remember there was something changed in that area recently *goes looking* |
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| 00:56:15 | bertrik | or maybe we should not worry too much about it... |
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| 00:56:51 | petur | bah... red :( |
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| 00:57:09 | bertrik | with the fix, scrobbler_shutdown becomes completely safe against multiple calls |
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| 01:00:15 | caveman26 | I have a sansa c240, rockboxed, can I use a 8GB microSDHC card with it without any issues? |
| 01:00:57 | preglow | should work |
| 01:01:54 | caveman26 | rockbox is awsome |
| 01:02:11 | caveman26 | finally... a portable with paremetric EQ |
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| 01:03:12 | preglow | and what an eq it is! |
| 01:03:14 | preglow | :P |
| 01:03:17 | caveman26 | what exactly does the "dithering" setting do? |
| 01:03:21 | pixelma | caveman26: but you can't use your c200 as card reader to put files on there - because it relies on the original firmware for USB still and the OF can't deal with the card |
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| 01:03:37 | k-man | any idea how i can convert m4a files to m4b? |
| 01:03:37 | pixelma | it = Rockbox |
| 01:04:28 | caveman26 | I dont have any problem using another reader to get my music on the card, I just want to make sure a 8GB will work be4 I buy one |
| 01:04:44 | preglow | caveman26: the manual has a nice entry on that, but in short, it converts from a higher bit depth sample to 16 bit samples without introducing digital sounding noise |
| 01:05:16 | preglow | caveman26: it's not something you'll notice too well unless you have golden ears |
| 01:05:40 | caveman26 | I do notice a lil difference |
| 01:05:51 | caveman26 | but the bass is better withot it |
| 01:05:53 | caveman26 | lol |
| 01:07:20 | caveman26 | te HDD failed in my X5 :( |
| 01:07:20 | preglow | i doubt the bass is changed much by dithering, but whatever floats your boat is ok :) |
| 01:07:46 | caveman26 | didnt even get a chance to rockbox it |
| 01:08:03 | preglow | too bad, the x5 is a better player if you like eqing |
| 01:08:11 | caveman26 | yeah |
| 01:08:14 | caveman26 | way better |
| 01:08:16 | preglow | much more processing power |
| 01:08:25 | caveman26 | I love that BBE mach3bass |
| 01:09:10 | caveman26 | but now im stuck with the sansa for now |
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| 01:12:43 | * | petur wonders if bertrik is going to commit his fix |
| 01:12:48 | caveman26 | got an ipod too... but I REFUSE to use it.... it has audio outputs worse than a $2 transistor radio :/ |
| 01:14:03 | * | bertrik did already, it's in 17533 |
| 01:15:03 | caveman26 | do all ipods have shitty audio or is mine a lemon? |
| 01:15:18 | preglow | dcdc is set to 1.3 volts |
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| 01:15:23 | preglow | now that sounds more like the core voltage |
| 01:16:08 | petur | caveman26: rockbox sounds like a bag of shit |
| 01:16:31 | * | petur only sees 17532 |
| 01:16:44 | bertrik | it didn't trigger a build apparently |
| 01:17:47 | caveman26 | rockbox improved the audio on my sansa |
| 01:17:57 | petur | ah I see it in svn, so it is the build server |
| 01:18:25 | caveman26 | didnt even bother putting it on the ipod.... theres nothing that can save its crappy audio |
| 01:18:43 | petur | caveman26: I was making a joke (see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GoldenQuotes) |
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| 01:21:06 | caveman26 | LMAO |
| 01:21:10 | caveman26 | those are funny |
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| 01:22:27 | kugel | just saw: http://www.misticriver.net/2008/04/iriver-ihph120/ |
| 01:22:38 | caveman26 | I didnt buy the ipod.... it was given to me, tried it out... hated the audio, put it a drawer, hasnt seen the light of day since |
| 01:22:53 | kugel | looks like we have a supported player which is newly available :) |
| 01:23:09 | preglow | kickass |
| 01:23:18 | preglow | h120 is likely to remain my preferred target for a while yet |
| 01:24:51 | * | kugel was never used to irivier players |
| 01:26:00 | caveman26 | that ipod has a 80GB hard drive, is it possible to use it as a ext. hard drive to back up stuff? I use linux and I know some ipods have issues with linux |
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| 01:28:00 | preglow | sure |
| 01:28:12 | preglow | few ipods should have issues with linux |
| 01:28:18 | stripwax | caveman26 - not really a rockbox question - but yes, all ipods can act as external hard drives |
| 01:28:20 | preglow | you can't use itunes, but that just counts as a blessing, if you ask me |
| 01:28:30 | caveman26 | lol |
| 01:28:36 | caveman26 | I hatew itunes |
| 01:28:45 | preglow | bodes well for your sanity |
| 01:29:25 | caveman26 | but I cant see any other purpose for ipod since the audio section is worse than horrible.. LOL |
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| 01:29:52 | stripwax | it's ok |
| 01:29:53 | * | preglow skips along to bed |
| 01:30:02 | preglow | gnight everyone |
| 01:30:28 | caveman26 | I think mine might just be a bad one... but I hevent hered other ipods to compare |
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| 01:31:19 | caveman26 | I wonder if I could take the HDD out of the iod and get my X5 going again |
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| 01:34:53 | caveman26 | I would love to see how the rockbox upgrade works on the X5 |
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| 01:36:24 | * | petur too |
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| 01:40:48 | caveman26 | where can I get different themes for my c240 rockbox? |
| 01:41:03 | caveman26 | not mutch of a selection on the rockbox site |
| 01:41:43 | caveman26 | theres TONS of them for the ipod and X5... but only a few for the c240 |
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| 01:44:07 | Llorean | caveman26: This would be because few c200 owners seem to be interested in making themes. You're welcome to contribute though. |
| 01:44:17 | caveman26 | ok |
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| 01:55:55 | pixelma | another reason could be that there is no official c200 wps gallery... ;) |
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| 02:37:24 | Ezra | hey |
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| 02:37:47 | Ezra | how do I get the doom plugin so that I can play doom on my mp4 player? |
| 02:38:17 | scorche|sh | your "mp4 player"? |
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| 02:52:56 | krazykit | Ezra, assuming you mean a device that doesn't run rockbox, you'd need to port rockbox to your device, since the doom plugin is part of rockbox (see the NewPorts wiki page) |
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| 03:05:37 | Ezra | I do have Rockbox running on it.. |
| 03:05:51 | Ezra | but when i try to install doom, it says I need a plugin. |
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| 03:05:56 | Ezra | where do i get that plugin? |
| 03:06:04 | scorche|sh | then i suggest you read the PluginDoom wiki page |
| 03:06:12 | Ezra | ? |
| 03:06:17 | Ezra | can I have a linky? |
| 03:07:48 | scorche|sh | go to the wiki, type that at the box at the top of the page |
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| 03:08:48 | Ezra | ok |
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| 03:09:31 | Gartral | the build enviroment package doesnt work... in VMWare or Qemu... it keeps spitting 10.0.2.2 sent an invalid ICMP type 3, code 3 error to a broadcast: 10.0.2.255 on eth0 |
| 03:11:39 | scorche|sh | Gartral: something is wrong with your setup then |
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| 03:14:11 | Gartral | ive redownloaded the package, tryed it accross 3 systems, on different networks, and it just doesnt work, the previos package never worked either |
| 03:14:49 | scorche|sh | when does it do this? |
| 03:15:27 | Gartral | right after starting the networking interface, it also causes the X11 server too fail... |
| 03:15:45 | Gartral | i have a CLI thats it |
| 03:16:03 | scorche|sh | i dont know what to tell you then...i have had any such issue and have not seen anyone else have this issue |
| 03:16:34 | scorche|sh | s/have had/have not had |
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| 03:17:35 | Gartral | last time i DLed the package i had the MD5 checksum in too verify it too |
| 03:18:46 | scorche|sh | perhaps it is an issue with your version of VMware?...like i said...i have not heard of this issue before |
| 03:19:03 | Gartral | right now im using Qemu |
| 03:19:10 | scorche|sh | i should be making a new image soon though, so perhaps it can wait till then |
| 03:19:28 | scorche|sh | well, the package was designed with VMware in mind...i am not sure how well it will run on Qemu |
| 03:20:01 | Gartral | well ive been trying too get into the build enviroment too start codeing for rockbox... i have a few ideas, and ide really like to start working on them |
| 03:20:23 | scorche|sh | what OS are you running? |
| 03:21:21 | Gartral | mabey you could do a seperate Qemu build as well? i know there both rather popular, and i thing keeping the backend for codeing Open source is as essential as the firmware itsef |
| 03:21:36 | Gartral | win XP pro, slightly hacked.... |
| 03:22:02 | scorche|sh | i suppose i could try if it is needed |
| 03:22:12 | scorche|sh | and "slightly hacked" is awfuly vague |
| 03:23:42 | Gartral | a new UI shell, better drivers... drm disabled at the Registry level... nothing that should comprimise the RBBE |
| 03:24:14 | Gartral | know a pastebin for screenshots, google is failing me |
| 03:24:18 | scorche|sh | well, being that you are the only one with this issue... |
| 03:24:40 | scorche|sh | you can still try cygwin int he meantime...or even colinux |
| 03:25:15 | Gartral | err... ide rather not, this is technically my dads system... used as a studio comp |
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| 03:26:01 | Gartral | know a paste bin for screenshots, google is failing me |
| 03:26:11 | scorche|sh | and why can you do vmware and qemu, but not cygwin or colinux? |
| 03:26:58 | Gartral | because both of those run off a flash disk... cygwin edits the registry too add its entry |
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| 03:30:01 | Gartral | http://imagebin.ca/view/WjrE40k.html <−− finally |
| 03:31:44 | Gartral | found a pastebin |
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| 03:38:12 | soap | Gartral, is Windows firewall on? |
| 03:39:13 | Gartral | yes, but i *think* i was configured... |
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| 03:39:31 | scorche|sh | might want to turn it off just to be sure.. |
| 03:39:45 | soap | Kill it from the services control panel. |
| 03:40:02 | soap | You have too many variables you "believe" are non-issues to make this troubleshooting easy. |
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| 03:43:03 | Gartral | im just adding the programs and port, hopefully that will work |
| 03:43:15 | scorche|sh | no...turn it off to be sure |
| 03:44:27 | Gartral | i wont do that... i have no other in system firewall, and only one external firewall.... |
| 03:44:59 | scorche|sh | dont worry...nothing is going to happen to your computer... |
| 03:45:23 | soap | Stop port forwarding at your external firewall and kill the MS one, with no ports forwarded nothing is going to happen. |
| 03:45:59 | Gartral | my external doesnt even have port forewarding |
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| 03:47:57 | Gartral | trying with properly configured firewall in qemu |
| 03:49:00 | soap | OT: but if your external isn't forwarding ports than Windows firewall is doing little but burning CPU cycles. |
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| 03:50:06 | Gartral | not really... its a wireless network, and there are BHs in the building who use my network |
| 03:51:27 | Gartral | well, it failed again |
| 03:51:35 | Gartral | trying without a firewall |
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| 03:53:25 | Gartral | ahhh crap... it failed yet again |
| 03:54:20 | soap | that's ok - we have one variable taken care of now. |
| 03:54:36 | Gartral | the exact same error |
| 03:55:00 | scorche|sh | try on a "regular" windows PC... |
| 03:55:07 | Gartral | dont have one |
| 03:56:04 | Gartral | the other two systems i tryed this from were liabrary systems |
| 03:56:12 | scorche|sh | then we are at an impass.. |
| 03:57:31 | Gartral | i can log in through the terminal... |
| 03:58:26 | Gartral | and yet i can ping websites and get a result.... |
| 03:59:11 | soap | it is only when using the GUI you get this error? |
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| 04:00:12 | Gartral | when trying too start The XDM... |
| 04:00:18 | Gartral | period |
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| 04:00:41 | Gartral | through either fluxbox or actuall X11 |
| 04:00:54 | soap | ok - to build you don't need X |
| 04:01:27 | Gartral | but that error message interupts anything i do |
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| 04:05:27 | soap | hmm |
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| 04:12:55 | Gartral | any idea? |
| 04:15:07 | soap | no, and the sad thing is I had what appears to be this problem ~18 months ago. Really stumps me as I see myself in the logs asking the same question, but have no idea A:why I was using vmware. B:what solution I found. |
| 04:16:11 | Gartral | i think its just the code base |
| 04:16:29 | soap | what code base? |
| 04:16:31 | Gartral | vmware... i no like vmware |
| 04:17:13 | scorche|sh | dont blame it on vmware when dozens of other people have used it just fine and from a bit of searching, i can only see 1 other having the same issue |
| 04:17:48 | soap | I strongly suspect it is not. My computer at the time I asked this very same question was incapable of running vmware - this is why I _strongly_ suspect it is a Windows issue. |
| 04:18:55 | Gartral | great... another wonderfull kludge form micro$oft |
| 04:19:01 | soap | and thus why I had you kill the worthless Windows firewall, since this issue appears to be network related. |
| 04:20:26 | Gartral | but killing the windows firewall had no effect for me |
| 04:21:15 | soap | FWIW, you can install a full Gnome desktop Ubuntu setup with a full Rockbox build environment, games, and open office on a $20 4GB memory stick. This is what I do on my work laptop - doesn't impact my existing (locked down) work drive at all. |
| 04:22:02 | soap | Yea - I wasn't sure it was a firewall thing - but you're getting a network-related issue - killing software firewalls is a good troubleshooting step. |
| 04:23:25 | Gartral | yea.. i could clear some space my 8gig cruzer... |
| 04:24:02 | soap | that drive will be slower than a 4GB sandisk cruzer. |
| 04:24:13 | soap | significantly, and noticeably slower. |
| 04:24:42 | Gartral | no... i removed the stupid builtin software enviroment |
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| 04:25:11 | Gartral | after i did that, it became a very fast flash drive |
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| 04:25:27 | soap | no - large flash chips are slower than smaller ones. Nothing to do with U3. Unless it is "speed rated" (claiming 150x or faster) 8GB drives are SLOW. |
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| 04:25:51 | soap | and the Sandisk Cruzer ones are slow. |
| 04:25:59 | Gartral | beside, i wont complain, i found the thing infront of a bar |
| 04:26:00 | soap | But this is off topic for #rockbox. |
| 04:27:04 | Gartral | and my final word: i get around 300 MB/s transfer speed with that drive, so, im all good |
| 04:28:03 | soap | No flash drive is close to that fast, you're seeing cached numbers or something. |
| 04:28:41 | Gartral | oops... one extra 0 in there... sowwie, and thank you |
| 04:34:05 | DerPapst | JdGordon: this was odd.. i just tried the new disktidy plugin on my beast and forgot to enable all files first and ran "Start Cleaning". I expected it would say 0 files removed but it removed 2 files infact.... |
| 04:35:15 | Gartral | would someone give me the link too the twiki page with instructions on how too disable the sansa DB refresh? |
| 04:35:40 | scorche|sh | search.. |
| 04:35:43 | DerPapst | ah, wait, do i remember corretly if you never go into "Files to Clean" it removes all files? |
| 04:35:55 | DerPapst | that would explain it ;-) |
| 04:36:29 | Gartral | i searched... but Twiki said there wasnt anything >.> |
| 04:37:19 | DerPapst | anyway.. good night all ;-) |
| 04:37:34 | Gartral | goodnight |
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| 05:26:38 | Twist | Hello I have a question for you guys. |
| 05:28:56 | Twist | I am trying to install Rockbox onto my ipod 80 gb video and i am using the Rockbox utility. When i do a full install it tells me there arnt any themes and then just stops there. How can i fix this? |
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| 05:30:17 | scorche | it is temporarily disabled for your device due to bandwidth concerns...feel free to grab them here http://rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org/index.php?res=320x240x16 |
| 05:30:32 | scorche | there is the WPS gallery in the wiki as well |
| 05:30:43 | Twist | Is there anything else it has to install onto my ipod after the themes or not? |
| 05:31:04 | scorche | well, it doesnt *have* to install the themes |
| 05:31:36 | Twist | Well what im trying to say does it install anything after the utility asks you what themes you want. |
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| 05:43:06 | caveman26 | is there a way to set a photo as background in the "now playing" screen? |
| 05:43:22 | JdGordon | convert it to bmp |
| 05:43:25 | caveman26 | cant find a setting for it |
| 05:43:31 | JdGordon | resize it and set it in the wps code |
| 05:43:48 | caveman26 | ok |
| 05:44:10 | caveman26 | just put some photos on it, it will vew them, but thats all |
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| 05:45:20 | JdGordon | no.. look on the wiki for the WPS syntax... the bmp has to be crrect size, and filename and location |
| 05:45:43 | caveman26 | ok |
| 05:47:26 | caveman26 | didnt realize just how mutch the screen sux until I looked at some pics on it |
| 05:47:27 | caveman26 | lol |
| 05:47:45 | caveman26 | its definately a passive matrix type |
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| 05:51:48 | caveman26 | I cant beleve the CPU on my cheap sansa is dual core... SMP kernel any1? |
| 05:51:50 | caveman26 | lol |
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| 05:52:31 | JdGordon | we have a SMP kernel (well some parts) |
| 05:52:34 | meowsqueak | here's a silly-sounding question - why is my directory listing *backwards* (reverse order)? I can't find a setting to change this. |
| 05:52:54 | JdGordon | settings > general setting > file view > ... |
| 05:53:51 | meowsqueak | JdGordon: ummm |
| 05:53:54 | meowsqueak | there's no 'order' |
| 05:54:00 | meowsqueak | just sort by 'alphabetical' |
| 05:54:12 | meowsqueak | it's Z-A, i.e. Z at the top, A at the bottom |
| 05:54:33 | meowsqueak | it started doing this when I upgraded RB about 2 weeks ago |
| 05:54:41 | meowsqueak | latest build today also does this |
| 05:54:48 | meowsqueak | and I see no option to reverse the sort order |
| 05:54:53 | meowsqueak | (yes I've done a 'clear config' too) |
| 05:55:00 | JdGordon | im sure there is a setting... lemme look for it |
| 05:55:27 | caveman26 | just put rockbox on my snasa about a week ago... have had no problems |
| 05:55:48 | JdGordon | meowsqueak: is 'a' after 'Z' ? |
| 05:56:05 | caveman26 | it totally beats the hell out of the original FW... and I can play .ogg files... finally :) |
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| 05:56:09 | meowsqueak | JdGordon: odd - just set it to sort by date, then back to sort 'alphabetical' and it's now in the correct order. |
| 05:56:16 | meowsqueak | must have been something left over from an old build |
| 05:56:23 | JdGordon | odd |
| 05:56:35 | meowsqueak | yeah, oh well, problem resolved - thanks anyway :) |
| 05:56:55 | Twist | Is there a difference in making Rockbox make the database or converting the itunes database yourself? |
| 05:57:43 | JdGordon | there could be.. |
| 05:57:51 | JdGordon | best to let rockbox do it for you |
| 05:57:55 | Twist | Well right now my ipod isnt playing any songs.. |
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| 05:58:51 | Twist | Im trying to play the song but it dosent play anything. I press the play and pause button and it dosent do anything. |
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| 06:10:16 | Twist | Does any one have any idea why it wont play the songs that i loaded from the database on my ipod? |
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| 06:17:30 | advcomp2019 | Twist, what type of files |
| 06:17:50 | Twist | They just started working all of a sudden. But thanks anyways. |
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| 06:47:46 | webguest123 | I have a question regarding the recording application on the 30GB iPod Video. |
| 06:47:59 | webguest123 | Anyone know how to use it for a 30GB iPod Video/ |
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| 06:50:27 | scorche | webguest123: do you have a microphone? |
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| 06:59:37 | webguest123 | no |
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| 07:34:51 | amiconn | Hmm, strange... |
| 07:35:55 | * | amiconn thought rockbox supports recording on ipod G3, but obviously it doesn't |
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| 08:29:39 | Llorean | amiconn: Do you know, does being in the recording screen prevent idle shutdown? |
| 08:30:17 | amiconn | No, but on hwcodec there's a bug |
| 08:30:55 | amiconn | That is, it prevents shutdown when actually recording, but not in recording standby |
| 08:31:06 | Llorean | I'm just curious about this now "Stop+Shutdown" feature, since it seems redundant to a "Stop" feature, and a decent idle shutdown time. |
| 08:31:14 | Llorean | *new |
| 08:31:49 | amiconn | On hwcodec, if you're in recording standby and idle poweroff kicks in, it will "panic: recfile -1" and not shut down |
| 08:32:31 | Llorean | Does the new feature trigger the panic? |
| 08:32:41 | amiconn | Dunno... |
| 08:33:01 | amiconn | Probably not, because it stops after an actual recording |
| 08:33:36 | amiconn | Iirc that panic only happens if you didn't record yet |
| 08:34:14 | Llorean | Ah |
| 08:34:18 | amiconn | I also think this new feature is redundant |
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| 08:35:02 | amiconn | Unless someone has idle poweroff disabled, that is |
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| 08:35:36 | Llorean | Yes, but you have to decide in advance to set an option either way. :) |
| 08:35:56 | Llorean | Anyway, I was just curious. I don't use recording, so I wasn't sure if it was mostly redundant, or if it was necessary for some reason. |
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| 09:22:16 | B4gder | http://iriver-t10.sourceforge.net/custom-firmware.html |
| 09:22:26 | B4gder | is indeed interesting |
| 09:23:12 | B4gder | for all the iriver T10 owners around :-) |
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| 09:28:42 | amiconn | rockbox.wma |
| 09:30:28 | petur | yeah |
| 09:30:30 | petur | :) |
| 09:30:38 | linuxstb | B4gder: Is that a similar CPU to the Meizu? |
| 09:30:51 | petur | sounds like a bag of shit (if you play is as wma) :) |
| 09:30:58 | B4gder | I don't know |
| 09:31:09 | B4gder | didn't check those details |
| 09:31:18 | linuxstb | I see he links to this page - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SamsungSA58 |
| 09:31:27 | B4gder | ah then it is yes |
| 09:32:02 | B4gder | and he builds big-endian |
| 09:32:06 | linuxstb | Similar, but different.. |
| 09:32:38 | linuxstb | Hopefully he'll try porting Rockbox... |
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| 09:43:37 | B4gder | and it seems we have another arm disassembler in the works too there |
| 09:43:39 | B4gder | http://iriver-t10.sourceforge.net/libdisarm-api.html |
| 09:55:20 | B4gder | maybe we should all write one disassembler each and see which one that becomes the best? |
| 09:55:43 | petur | in true open source spirit :/ |
| 09:56:12 | B4gder | oh yes |
| 09:57:45 | linuxstb | Very Darwinian... |
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| 10:03:45 | HangukMiguk_ | how should i go about syncing my ipod on linux now that i have started using rockbox (especially concerning ogg, seeing that gtkpod tries to convert ogg into mp3) |
| 10:04:34 | * | B4gder suggests usync cp or rsync |
| 10:04:41 | B4gder | using even |
| 10:04:51 | * | B4gder signs up for typing class |
| 10:04:57 | HangukMiguk_ | lol |
| 10:05:11 | HangukMiguk_ | any specific directory i need to copy them into for them to be picked up by rockbox? |
| 10:05:17 | B4gder | nope |
| 10:05:24 | B4gder | anyone you think fits |
| 10:06:22 | Llorean | Well, any folder but those inside .rockbox. It's hidden in filetree mode, and ignored by the database. |
| 10:07:01 | HangukMiguk_ | but in order for them to also work with the original firmware (_should_ i decide to take off rockbox, doubtful now though), i would have to redo it with gtkpod? |
| 10:07:19 | Llorean | Yes |
| 10:07:33 | Llorean | Of course, oggs won't work with the original firmware not matter what, anyway. |
| 10:08:26 | HangukMiguk_ | yeah, that's kind of the reason i started using rockbox, plus the ipod firmware was too plain |
| 10:08:51 | * | petur hands HangukMiguk_ a /Music/ directory |
| 10:09:13 | HangukMiguk_ | i think i found that directory |
| 10:10:58 | markun | nice, this code looks a lot shorter than ifp_decode and can also encode: http://iriver-t10.sourceforge.net/bzr/irde/irde.c |
| 10:11:29 | markun | I wonder if the s5l8700 based irivers also have the DFU rescue mode |
| 10:12:13 | markun | look like it: http://www.misticriver.net/forums/iriver-t10-t30-series-flash-players/51659-iriver-t10-dead.html |
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| 10:16:39 | markun | I can try to enter DFU mode with my gf's T30 this week |
| 10:21:37 | HangukMiguk_ | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr my ipod keeps locking up when i try to copy music files to it |
| 10:22:08 | LinusN | HangukMiguk_: perhaps your disk is corrupt? |
| 10:22:21 | HangukMiguk_ | well that would be peachy |
| 10:22:25 | HangukMiguk_ | it never did this in gtkpod |
| 10:23:22 | LinusN | perhaps you should try an fsck on it |
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| 10:24:02 | Schinken- | hey there! |
| 10:24:46 | Schinken- | is it possible to change the rockbox key-controls to the Apple IPod software controls? |
| 10:25:09 | B4gder | the code is there! |
| 10:25:20 | B4gder | poke, recompile, install, run |
| 10:25:34 | Schinken- | ok .. is there an easier way? :D |
| 10:25:38 | Schinken- | like config files..? :) |
| 10:25:43 | scorche | well, rockbox has many more key functions, but if you want to change it to be more apple-like, you are going to need to edit the code and recompile |
| 10:25:47 | scorche | no |
| 10:25:49 | HangukMiguk_ | running now |
| 10:25:54 | Llorean | Schinken-: If there were an easier way, we'd have suggested it. :) |
| 10:26:00 | Schinken- | hm okay... |
| 10:26:05 | LinusN | i'm not sure i understand the question |
| 10:26:19 | HangukMiguk_ | also, is there a way to make rockbox play random songs on my ipod, like the shuffle songs feature in the ipod firmware? |
| 10:26:31 | B4gder | HangukMiguk_: that are multiple ways |
| 10:26:40 | LinusN | HangukMiguk_: create a playlist and shuffle it |
| 10:27:10 | HangukMiguk_ | one without making a playlist |
| 10:27:24 | Llorean | HangukMiguk_: When you play music in Rockbox, you've always made a playlist... |
| 10:27:38 | Schinken- | im using the "Database" feature to play songs |
| 10:27:41 | HangukMiguk_ | like, i just want it to shuffle my entire database of songs into one large loop |
| 10:27:52 | Schinken- | Browsin' to the Artist .. select all tracks.. and its playin :D |
| 10:27:59 | Llorean | HangukMiguk_: Then shuffle the All Tracks entry |
| 10:28:55 | HangukMiguk_ | fstab: FATs differ but appear to be intact. Use which FAT? |
| 10:29:06 | HangukMiguk_ | i have the option of using first or second |
| 10:29:23 | Schinken- | A question to the users who use rockbox a long time... how do you select songs.. do you create everytime a playlist with songs? (im not a fan of playlists.. i select a band and shuffle the songs) |
| 10:29:26 | HangukMiguk_ | not fstab, fsck |
| 10:29:28 | HangukMiguk_ | oops |
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| 10:35:42 | markun | Schinken-: I usually click the first song in an album and let it play, later I add some new albums with "insert last" |
| 10:36:04 | Schinken- | hm k |
| 10:36:14 | Schinken- | i love rockbox... but i miss the simple controls... |
| 10:36:14 | markun | the fact that the songs are in a playlist doesn't bother me at all |
| 10:36:57 | markun | Schinken-: we have been using rockbox for too long to even notice if something is not simple, so any suggestions on how to improve are welcome I think |
| 10:36:58 | Schinken- | im using rockbox for about half a year... but still mussing the apple controls.. but dont want to use the apple software ... fucking itunes binding... :D |
| 10:37:55 | markun | I never used an ipod, but I remember I had some small problems in the beginning when I was used to the iriver h120 firmware |
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| 10:39:18 | Schinken- | markun creating a playlist is simple on the ipod.. for example... just hold the center button for 1 sec oder 2 .. the title blinks.. and the song is in a "on the go" playlist... |
| 10:39:45 | markun | I have to go now |
| 10:39:51 | Schinken- | i need a software like the apple software.. but without itunes binding :D |
| 10:39:55 | Schinken- | hm okay.. cya |
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| 10:44:18 | webguest91 | hello |
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| 10:44:51 | webguest91 | someone knows here whats going on with the USB HOST on the iaudio X5? |
| 10:46:02 | gevaerts | yes, nothing right now |
| 10:46:12 | scorche | it is sitting there looking pretty |
| 10:47:20 | webguest91 | too bad:( |
| 10:47:30 | gevaerts | Feel free to work on it :) |
| 10:47:45 | webguest91 | if i had the knowledge |
| 10:48:51 | webguest91 | seems like it never get to work |
| 10:49:10 | gevaerts | I want to work on it some time, but it's not right at the top of my list |
| 10:49:30 | webguest91 | what is on the top? |
| 10:49:38 | scorche | you can learn...then, at least, you will know it will get done *sometime* |
| 10:50:05 | markun | Schinken-: back again (for a short while) |
| 10:50:16 | webguest91 | hehe.. all that s writen in C right? |
| 10:50:48 | GodEater | webguest91: mostly |
| 10:50:50 | gevaerts | webguest91: finishing USB device on portalplayer/imx31, usb device on TCC/samsung, and (maybe) usb audio, although that may come below usb host |
| 10:50:57 | markun | I think rockbox' focus is a bit different from what you want. We try to get as much out of the players as we can. |
| 10:52:11 | gevaerts | Schinken-: one very impotrtant thing about rockbox on ipod is that the ipod is just one of many supported players, and consistency between different rockbox targets is much more important than having the UI work as much as possible like the OF |
| 10:53:04 | webguest91 | the only lack on the X5 is the USBHOST? |
| 10:56:32 | LinusN | webguest91: we haven't yet implemented the battery charging correctly |
| 10:57:23 | LinusN | webguest91: unfortunately, the USBHOST on the X5 uses a chip that has no public documentation |
| 10:58:13 | * | gevaerts forgtot this issue as well... |
| 10:58:17 | LinusN | so there is a risk that it will never be implemented on the X5 unless the documentation magically shows up |
| 10:58:18 | linuxstb | Are we also lacking an official dual-boot bootloader for the X5? |
| 10:58:28 | LinusN | true |
| 10:58:35 | Llorean | Isn't there a suitable patch now? |
| 10:58:47 | LinusN | i *think* so |
| 10:58:56 | B4gder | I think so too |
| 10:58:58 | Llorean | I remember one claiming to be, but I had no grounds on which to determine. |
| 10:59:03 | gevaerts | I do think however that there is a reasonable chance that the usb host will be OHCI, just like 95% of the market |
| 10:59:46 | Llorean | If the dual boot patch can be tested, maybe that can be part of the global bootloader update everyone seems to think we ought to have. :) |
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| 11:04:58 | LinusN | gevaerts: it's an ALi M5636 - happy googling :-) |
| 11:05:37 | gevaerts | LinusN: not going to :) Once we have an OHCI driver, someone just has to find the base address in the OF and with any luck it might work |
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| 11:21:06 | pixelma | Bagder: I thought the column of the old Zen Vision M build would vanish once it is empty but it seems it doesn't... |
| 11:21:35 | * | Llorean seems to remember mention of the column existing for more than just the displayed rows, so taking longer to vanish. |
| 11:22:03 | pixelma | aha |
| 11:22:11 | B4gder | the table is made a lot longer in memory |
| 11:22:16 | B4gder | and just cut at 20 lines for show |
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| 11:34:13 | MartinR | Is it known, that the CPU stays boosted when skipping to the next track while buffering is still in progress? |
| 11:39:06 | MartinR | This also happens when the 1st track is very short, so that the 2nd track starts while still buffering. |
| 11:39:34 | MartinR | Buffering stops prematurely and CPU remains boosted. |
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| 11:44:33 | Llorean | MartinR: If there's not a filed bug report for it, it's probably not known. |
| 11:45:55 | MartinR | Llorean: Maybe it is related to FS #8964 somehow? |
| 11:47:00 | Llorean | If you think it's related, add your description as a comment. But I'd say you should open a new task, then add a comment to that one linking to your new task and mentioning they may be related. |
| 11:47:28 | MartinR | Llorean: I'll do. |
| 11:52:06 | HangukMiguk_ | how long should it take for my database in rockbox to update?! |
| 11:53:58 | HangukMiguk_ | it's been going for about 10 minutes |
| 11:56:23 | LinusN | it can take a loooong time if you have many music files |
| 11:56:59 | LinusN | the first update takes a long time, but subsequent updates are fast |
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| 12:07:50 | pixelma | HangukMiguk_: did you chose "update now" and do you have the database set to "load to RAM"? (Guess there is the option on your player - which player is it?) |
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| 12:23:40 | Gartral | im sick of the sansas stupid DB refresh every reboot, how do i kill it? |
| 12:24:13 | gevaerts | What kind of sansa ? |
| 12:24:25 | Gartral | e250 v1 |
| 12:25:02 | gevaerts | Doesn't the refresh suppression work ? |
| 12:25:37 | B4gder | it only works on some specific OF versions |
| 12:25:39 | pixelma | I think it still refreshes when connecting to USB (hence starting into the OF) |
| 12:25:59 | B4gder | no, I don't think it does |
| 12:26:08 | Gartral | how do i apply thhe refresh suppression |
| 12:26:19 | gevaerts | Several ways have been mentioned : don't select a language in the OF or make the SYSTEM directory read only |
| 12:26:36 | Gartral | its that easy? |
| 12:26:54 | gevaerts | I haven't tried them |
| 12:27:31 | Gartral | well.. i just made my SYSTEM folder read only... so here it goes |
| 12:27:55 | pixelma | the system directory trick is very easy and works on my c200, it's not completely suppressing the update (it tries to but stops afte a few seconds) |
| 12:28:08 | Gartral | nope... it just un ROed it |
| 12:28:29 | pixelma | it did what? |
| 12:28:46 | Gartral | RO = Read Only |
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| 12:29:54 | pixelma | then the e200 OF is more "intelligent" |
| 12:30:13 | Gartral | what else can i try? |
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| 12:31:18 | gevaerts | The "don't select a language" trick I guess. Maybe you have to reinstall the OF for that though, I'm not sure |
| 12:32:20 | pixelma | or you could try Rockbox USB... |
| 12:33:00 | Gartral | however... i did find a small bug with the OFW... if the DB fails too refresh on USB boot... the device charges and gives you the norml menu, AND (for what its worth) will play files |
| 12:33:55 | Gartral | my problem is it keeps saying it ran out room and too free up 6MB |
| 12:36:18 | pixelma | then it was not able to remove the write protection from the system directory... |
| 12:37:43 | Gartral | no... thats the problem that sparked my intrest in wanting the DBR removed |
| 12:38:22 | * | pixelma can't follow... |
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| 12:41:18 | Gartral | i came in too ask how too remove the database refresh, because the thing keeps saying its out of memory, with it really isn't, its got 400 MB free... i want its retarded red error screen that comes up to go away, permanently... |
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| 12:42:11 | Llorean | Gartral: If you need help fixing bugs in the OF, contact sandisk. |
| 12:42:51 | Gartral | i dont want help fixing it, i want it too go away |
| 12:42:52 | maraz | So, is there a working mikmod patch for recent SVN revisions? |
| 12:43:03 | Llorean | Gartral: It's a problem with the OF though. So ask Sandisk. |
| 12:43:18 | gevaerts | Gartral: try verifying the filesystem |
| 12:44:59 | maraz | http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=29331 Someone PLEASE port this over to rockbox. |
| 12:45:18 | Gartral | it would take a month for a reply, and ide probably have too call some indian dude who sounds like a girl reading off of an idiot chart.... i dont like corporations, nor do i like dealing with them, think of it, the reason the opensource community in general exists is too offer an alternitive too stinking pig filled corporations, and there awful hogwash |
| 12:45:50 | gevaerts | well, yes, but we still can't help you with OF problems... |
| 12:46:08 | Llorean | Gartral: And the reason #rockbox exists is to help people with Rockbox, not their original firmware. |
| 12:47:05 | pixelma | maraz: there is a mikmod patch in the track (making it a plugin) but haven't heard much good about it so far. There is another patch which gives a mod codec (works fairly well, the thing that annoys me most that it lets the mods loop infinitely and you have to skip forwards) |
| 12:47:13 | pixelma | s/track/tracker |
| 12:47:26 | maraz | Well, the looping wouldn't bother me |
| 12:47:32 | maraz | I'd just want s3m/xm/it support :/ |
| 12:47:43 | maraz | all the good cracktro tunes are xm... |
| 12:48:06 | pixelma | the codec one doesn't support these formats |
| 12:48:32 | Gartral | the reason im asking here is because when i plug my sansa in, it spits the error screen saying it needs 6MB freed for the database... and it causes the sync code too fail.. meaning i have too unplug the sansa, reboot it, wait for the DBR screen too come back, spit its error, ok it, THEN plug it back in |
| 12:49:12 | Llorean | Gartral: That's not a reason for asking here. None of that has anything to do with Rockbox. |
| 12:50:23 | pixelma | Gartral: so this already happened before you made the system directory read only? Why didn't you say so in first place... |
| 12:50:25 | Llorean | Please, respect the channel guidelines and restrict yourself to questions relating specifically to Rockbox. |
| 12:50:51 | Gartral | pixelma: i did... |
| 12:51:36 | * | gevaerts reads the backlog and can't find where Gartral said that |
| 12:51:41 | Llorean | Gartral: No, you didn't. We can all scroll up and read what you originally asked, and there was no mention of that error message until several suggestions had been made. |
| 12:52:26 | Gartral | ohh.. sorry... ive been up for a day n a hlaf |
| 12:52:32 | Gartral | half* |
| 12:54:46 | * | gevaerts recommends getting some sleep and then checking the filesystem |
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| 12:55:35 | Gartral | i checked the filesystem, its fine, i even reinstaled the OFW... and RB |
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| 12:56:48 | Llorean | Gartral: As I've said. This is clearly a bug in the original firmware, and you should seek help with it elsewhere. |
| 12:58:16 | pixelma | the "free x MB for the database" is something I get with the system directory read only trick but on the c200 it doesn't hurt because the c200 refreshes its database on USB disconnect and not connect. Maybe try some sansa forums, I think I once read something about it in the official one (off sandisk's site, not anythingbutipod) |
| 12:58:38 | Gartral | i agree with one thing sansa said... "we failed at creating a useable firmware" |
| 12:59:29 | Llorean | Gartral: This is your last warning: Things like that, which have nothing to do with Rockbox, are off topic here. |
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| 13:11:48 | gevaerts | What if the DAX bootrom finds a NAND without valid firmware |
| 13:11:49 | gevaerts | ? |
| 13:12:05 | linuxstb | Then I would guess it defaults to USB boot mode. (just guessing...) |
| 13:13:32 | gevaerts | Would reinserting the NAND board after booting be doable in a safe way ? |
| 13:13:46 | linuxstb | I don't think I would try it... |
| 13:14:15 | gevaerts | Might be worth it as a last resort |
| 13:14:29 | Gartral | no... at best you would get an error... at worst, the NAND board and/or the main logic board might fry |
| 13:15:07 | * | amiconn thinks it would probably crash the device without permanent damage |
| 13:15:32 | markun | Bagder: do you know if the ipod nano2 bootloader was dumped using DFU mode? |
| 13:16:11 | DerPapst | the flash rom is encrypted too :-/ |
| 13:16:29 | DerPapst | speaking of the nano 2g here |
| 13:16:36 | linuxstb | markun: http://home.gna.org/linux4nano/dumping_SST39WF800A.html |
| 13:16:48 | markun | thanks |
| 13:17:05 | * | linuxstb thinks encrypted the ROM is taking things too far ;) |
| 13:17:17 | markun | linuxstb: looks a bit extreme :) |
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| 13:17:31 | linuxstb | It's almost as if Apple want to prevent people running their own code, or cloning the hardware.... |
| 13:17:52 | markun | I've seen posts about the DFU mode in the nano2 and shuffle2, su I would hope that the samsung DFU tools would work. |
| 13:19:28 | * | amiconn isn't surprised that the flash rom is encrypted |
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| 14:13:00 | MTee | anyone there ? |
| 14:13:11 | petur | yup |
| 14:14:51 | Gartral | -looks at his hands- i think so |
| 14:15:26 | MTee | hello petur .. I 've downloaded the source code, When I want to make a patch, do I have to go through the whole code first ? or can I just go through the specific part of the code that I want to change ? |
| 14:16:00 | petur | whatever you need to understand what you're doing ;) |
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| 14:20:24 | MTee | petur : I see, I hope I wouldn't need much :) |
| 14:20:54 | petur | start small and work your way up.... |
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| 14:58:01 | markun | MTee: what do you want to work on? |
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| 15:01:01 | ctaylorr | Hi. Just wondering. Has the volume in the voice files gone up recently? I updated rockbox and the voice file after about a month, and my ears are still bleeding :) |
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| 15:02:39 | MTee | markun : Haven't decided yet, I have final exams in my college that will end on june 12th, so then I could really pick something to work on .. but currently I think of patching the record function so as to prompt the user whether he wants to stop recording or not (one of the requests) |
| 15:04:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: Ping! |
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| 16:48:57 | rpj8 | Hey guys. I'm having trouble making my backdrop remain after a reboot |
| 16:49:32 | domonoky | rpj8: how do you reboot, and where is the backdrop stored ? |
| 16:49:51 | rpj8 | backdrop is stored in / and /.rockbox/backdrops |
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| 16:50:08 | rpj8 | I set it by going to files (main menu) and then selecting it as my backdrop |
| 16:50:18 | rpj8 | Then I just turn the player off and on again |
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| 16:50:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | Which player, out of curiousity? |
| 16:50:39 | domonoky | you have to use the "set Backdrop" function on the one inside the .rockbox idr.. |
| 16:50:45 | rpj8 | LambdaCalculus37: iriver h10 |
| 16:50:50 | domonoky | s/idr/dir |
| 16:50:50 | AceNik | hey whats the scene with FS #8992 |
| 16:51:02 | rpj8 | domonoky: How do I show hidden files though? |
| 16:51:07 | rpj8 | or navigate to it. |
| 16:51:18 | rpj8 | As far as I know the files menu is chrooted to /files/ |
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| 16:51:43 | domonoky | rpj8: there is a file view mode in rockbox, see manual on how to change it.. |
| 16:51:48 | AceNik | rpj8: just show all files |
| 16:52:21 | AceNik | rpj8: just hold on the left soft key for 2 mins, & press the appropriate button to change the view mode to show all files |
| 16:52:26 | rpj8 | AceNik: Thanks. That did the trick. I didn't know it had a long hold-select menu. |
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| 16:52:59 | rpj8 | Excellent. The batman iriver is near complete |
| 16:53:03 | rpj8 | Thanks guys. |
| 16:53:11 | AceNik | rpj8: in the main menu also if you hold the right button for a few seconds you will get the appropriate options |
| 16:53:30 | AceNik | rpj8: what you making ? whats batman iriver, i have one id liek to try it |
| 16:53:40 | domonoky | it really helps to read the manual.... :-) |
| 16:54:07 | rpj8 | domonoky: The manual is a bit untidy for my likings. I did find everything else that I needed to know, though |
| 16:54:20 | rpj8 | AceNik: It's just a backdrop. I change dthe4 oclors around so that they'd match the backdrop. |
| 16:54:21 | AceNik | domonoky: i know :) but it also helps to use the player more, tweak it more fiddle around |
| 16:54:31 | domonoky | rpj8: feell free to help making the manual better.. :-) |
| 16:55:01 | AceNik | anyone working on this or is it fixed ? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8992 |
| 16:55:37 | rpj8 | domonoky: I'm no program dev =/. I've never done anythign like that. But my two cents: The manual needs to be better sectioned off. As of now it seems that a ton of parts are thrown into one area. |
| 16:56:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | rpj8: The manual is written using LaTeX. It's merely a document markup language. |
| 16:56:26 | rpj8 | AceNik: http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/6138/batman1jq8.png |
| 16:56:33 | AceNik | rpj8: well the limitation with the section stuff is this is probably the best the scripting lanuage can get us too, but still you can write a wiki page of you ideas or something |
| 16:56:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | rpj8: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTeX |
| 16:57:04 | AceNik | rpj8: which irver do you have ? |
| 16:57:11 | rpj8 | h10 20GB |
| 16:57:51 | AceNik | hey can you accept pvts |
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| 17:00:39 | AceNik | rpj8: did you get my pvt |
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| 17:07:56 | AceNik | domonoky: hows rockbox utility coming along |
| 17:09:08 | domonoky | AceNik: it seems to work good.. |
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| 17:23:26 | AceNik | domonoky: any chance of having a rockbox utility slimmed down to a "web application" that way people can embed the application into their pages |
| 17:24:20 | gevaerts | You want low level usb access from a _web application_ ? |
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| 17:24:33 | domonoky | no chance, you dont have access to drives from a webapplication.. |
| 17:24:40 | * | gevaerts doesn't even want to think about the security implications of that sort of idea |
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| 17:25:07 | AceNik | no rather just let them get the build made on server then let it jus give them a complete ready build to download |
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| 17:25:31 | * | gevaerts is confused now |
| 17:26:24 | gevaerts | You can download a build from the server now if you want to |
| 17:26:28 | AceNik | whoever hosts the application will have all the files assembled in a zip on their server, then when the complete zip is ready the users can download it, i know the rockbox utility functions a different manner where each component is loaded independantly but this can be possible |
| 17:27:05 | AceNik | gevaerts: ya but the slimmed down web app can just be a way to assemble a build with extars in it think about it |
| 17:27:13 | AceNik | extras* |
| 17:27:30 | domonoky | AceNik: which components do you mean ? rbutils main job is bootloader install, detection and such... unzipping a build can be done without tool.. |
| 17:27:30 | * | gevaerts thinks, and still doesn't understand what advantages this brings |
| 17:29:06 | domonoky | and nearly all extras dont need to be updated with every build.. so combining them in a zip wouldnt be wise... |
| 17:29:41 | AceNik | yes i know that, & mostly for the ipods & stuff, but cant there be a way where usb drive can be accessed by asking the users permission |
| 17:31:03 | gevaerts | maybe it can be solved (although I doubt it will be easy or problem-free), but why ? |
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| 17:31:46 | domonoky | at least the patchers are impossible as webapplication, you can get raw disk access out of the browser.. |
| 17:31:53 | AceNik | gavearts: i just think it will be a better way rockbox web application which can be embedded n websites & also ont he main rckbox webite |
| 17:31:57 | AceNik | website* |
| 17:32:10 | gevaerts | I think this is a solution in search of a problem... |
| 17:32:25 | AceNik | dmonoky: ya thats what, then that disk space can be used for processing |
| 17:32:55 | domonoky | ups... replace can with cant... |
| 17:33:00 | AceNik | gaverts: oh come on, its wortha good try, we got all the code, just need to port it as a web application |
| 17:33:10 | domonoky | so its impossible, and doesnt make sense.. |
| 17:33:28 | gevaerts | You probably can get raw disk access and/or raw usb access if you use a signed activex component on windows, but I'm not sure how to do it on linux or mac, and I predict browser-support nightmares |
| 17:33:30 | AceNik | domonoky: there has to be a way, im sure |
| 17:33:34 | domonoky | and its surly not "just a port" a webapp is something completly different.. |
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| 17:34:11 | AceNik | domonoky: well then let it be on hold for now, ill look little into it |
| 17:34:13 | gevaerts | You can probably integrate an installer into a powerpoint presentation or a boot sector virus if you want to, but that doesn't make it a good idea either... |
| 17:34:37 | domonoky | AceNik: if you want it, you can try todo it... but we wont help you.. :-) |
| 17:35:41 | AceNik | ok |
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| 19:03:15 | jhMikeS | LambdaCalculus37: pong? |
| 19:06:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: Your most recent commits for the Gigabeast are for power management, correct? |
| 19:10:14 | jhMikeS | I was just finishing out the head file. No functional change with that. (Doing that helps me get more familiar with it too). |
| 19:10:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | So no significant changes? |
| 19:11:15 | jhMikeS | when there are there will be no ambiguity in the commit message about it :) |
| 19:12:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | Okay. To be honest, I was a wee bit confused about exactly *what* the commit did. :) |
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| 19:24:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | Davide-NYC: Greets! |
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| 19:38:33 | Davide-NYC | Hello Rob! |
| 19:39:07 | Davide-NYC | I purchased a Gigabeat S yesterday. |
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| 19:39:45 | Davide-NYC | The OF looks OK but getting the files on and off of that thing seems like a bit of a nightmare. |
| 19:40:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | Davide-NYC: Wanna hop into #rockbox-community for a bit? |
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| 19:55:23 | Davide-NYC | question: On my GBS, if I set the bootable flag BEFORE installing the bootloader will I cause problems for the OF? |
| 19:55:30 | BigBambi | No, it'll be fine |
| 19:56:01 | Davide-NYC | Will I then be able to access the HD as a UMS? |
| 19:56:16 | BigBambi | Not from the OF, but Rockbox USB will work in linux |
| 19:56:30 | BigBambi | (I don't think Windows cares) |
| 19:56:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | You do have to fix the partition table for Linux to see the drive. |
| 19:56:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | According to this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatSInstallation#Step_2_Fix_your_Gigabeat_s_parti |
| 19:56:51 | Davide-NYC | So the MSC is implemented in software. |
| 19:56:51 | BigBambi | yes, you do |
| 19:57:01 | BigBambi | but I don't think Windows cares about it |
| 19:57:05 | BigBambi | Davide-NYC: yep |
| 19:57:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | BigBambi: No, Windows doesn't care about it. |
| 19:57:22 | BigBambi | Or partially (before gevaerts shouts at me) |
| 19:57:27 | Davide-NYC | BigBambi: when you say windows doesn't care I'm not sure I understand. |
| 19:57:37 | BigBambi | Davide-NYC: You don't need to set the flags for windows |
| 19:57:47 | BigBambi | It works with the invalid flags that are originally present |
| 19:58:01 | Davide-NYC | WinXP prompts me to install drivers. Of course I have no disk and am having trouble finding them. |
| 19:58:09 | BigBambi | Using rockbox? |
| 19:59:04 | Davide-NYC | no. what I am trying to do (and tell me if this is not possible) is to retrieve the files on the HD before installing RB. |
| 19:59:34 | BigBambi | I don't know if MSC lets you copy things back off, but I doubt it |
| 19:59:40 | BigBambi | s/MSC/Mtp |
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| 20:00:10 | Davide-NYC | yeah, I think not. Any good disk imaging utilities that work over USB under windows? |
| 20:00:35 | BigBambi | no idea I'm afraid |
| 20:00:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | Davide-NYC: Not sure. Is the Gigabeat in recovery mode or in the OF right now? |
| 20:01:08 | Davide-NYC | OF |
| 20:01:20 | bertrik | Cygwin can also use dd to make backups AFAIK |
| 20:01:47 | Davide-NYC | bertrik: will try that. |
| 20:02:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | IIRC if you install the patched nk.bin with the bootloader from within the OF, it shouldn't format the drive. |
| 20:02:23 | BigBambi | No it doesn't |
| 20:02:39 | BigBambi | But the files transferred as MTP are not too useful |
| 20:02:52 | BigBambi | (IMO of course) |
| 20:03:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | BigBambi: Yes, because like with an iPod, the file names are obfuscated and stuffed within subfolders in a larger "Content" folder on the root of the S hard drive. |
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| 20:04:13 | Davide-NYC | Are the metatags intact? |
| 20:04:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | That they are. |
| 20:04:32 | Davide-NYC | Well, at least they can be batch renamed then. |
| 20:04:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | Davide-NYC: There's a good set of instructions here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatSInfo#Loading_code_from_Windows |
| 20:04:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | That should at least get the bootloader installed for you. |
| 20:05:13 | Davide-NYC | Akk~! Running out of time. |
| 20:05:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | Once you get the bootloader installed, you can use the Bootloader USB mode to transfer a build and some files. |
| 20:05:16 | Davide-NYC | :-P |
| 20:05:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | What happened? Gotta run back to work? |
| 20:05:51 | Davide-NYC | Stuff needs to get done before EOD. |
| 20:05:56 | Davide-NYC | Fun times! |
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| 20:06:37 | * | LambdaCalculus37 hopes Davide-NYC has a successful Rockbox install |
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| 20:09:20 | Vorador | Is anyone trying to fix bug tracker? |
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| 20:17:15 | Vorador | Still blank -> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/ |
| 20:18:17 | DerPapst | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=4 |
| 20:18:22 | DerPapst | works here :-P |
| 20:19:44 | Vorador | I know, that viewing bugs works, but registration is broken. |
| 20:19:59 | Vorador | I can not confirm my registration. |
| 20:21:11 | BigBambi | Vorador: I believe it is known about by the tracker admins |
| 20:22:56 | Vorador | How can you be so sure? It's not evident unless you try to register new account. |
| 20:23:51 | BigBambi | Because it has been brought up here before |
| 20:25:13 | Vorador | Few days ago. Now I am just wondering if the right people did see that. |
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| 20:26:52 | BigBambi | Vorador: Yes, I'm pretty sure they did |
| 20:27:46 | BigBambi | Vorador: But you must remember rockbox is a spare time project, and people have real lives |
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| 20:29:28 | Vorador | Okey. |
| 20:30:33 | BigBambi | Vorador: One of the Swedes are the chaps, but I can't remember which for the tracker (LinusN, Bagder or Zagor) |
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| 20:34:08 | moos | BigBambi: Zagor IIRC (hi btw) |
| 20:34:25 | BigBambi | moos: righto (hello0 |
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| 20:34:56 | weatherundergnd | howdy |
| 20:35:06 | BigBambi | yo |
| 20:35:30 | weatherundergnd | i have iRiver H140 and i'm about to flash Rockbox on the player. mostly because of .sid support. ;) |
| 20:35:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | Good choice! :) |
| 20:35:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | Do you want to know how the flash procedure works? |
| 20:36:07 | weatherundergnd | should i go with "releases" or "current build" ? |
| 20:36:09 | * | BigBambi points to the manual in that case |
| 20:36:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | Current build. |
| 20:36:16 | weatherundergnd | ok |
| 20:36:20 | BigBambi | weatherundergnd: There isn't a release for the h140 |
| 20:36:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | The last release was ages ago, and only for the Archos devices. |
| 20:36:31 | weatherundergnd | ok |
| 20:36:46 | weatherundergnd | H140 should be H100 compatible ? |
| 20:36:57 | BigBambi | H120/H140 is the build you want |
| 20:36:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | Get the H120/H140 build. |
| 20:37:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | H100 is for the older H110/H115 players. |
| 20:37:15 | weatherundergnd | j |
| 20:37:18 | BigBambi | H110 and H115 and nor compatible with the H120/H140 (different amount of RAM) |
| 20:37:21 | weatherundergnd | ok |
| 20:37:25 | weatherundergnd | i missed that |
| 20:37:31 | weatherundergnd | i just thought about H100 series |
| 20:37:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | One last thing... by "flash", do you mean "initial install" or "flash to the player"? |
| 20:38:03 | weatherundergnd | flash the player |
| 20:38:10 | weatherundergnd | dunno what you mean about initial install? |
| 20:38:21 | weatherundergnd | i have H140 stock firmware |
| 20:38:27 | BigBambi | weatherundergnd: You need to flash a bootloader to the player to then install rockbox to disk |
| 20:38:37 | weatherundergnd | ok |
| 20:38:40 | BigBambi | But you can also flash rockbox itself, which removes the iriver firmware |
| 20:39:02 | BigBambi | However, that is unreleased and not recommended at the moment (just in case) |
| 20:39:05 | weatherundergnd | is it possible to keep both? |
| 20:39:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | "Initial install" meaning "this is my first time installing Rockbox". |
| 20:39:08 | BigBambi | Yes |
| 20:39:13 | weatherundergnd | ok |
| 20:39:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | You can dual-boot. |
| 20:39:18 | weatherundergnd | well it's my first time |
| 20:39:22 | BigBambi | weatherundergnd: Just follow the instructions in the manual |
| 20:39:23 | weatherundergnd | i'm a virgin :D |
| 20:39:35 | * | domonoky recommends the manual and rbutil to weatherundergnd |
| 20:39:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | Start here: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h100/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-90002.3 |
| 20:43:42 | weatherundergnd | i'm wgetting http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/win32/rbutilqt-v1.0.5.zip |
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| 20:43:44 | weatherundergnd | at the moment |
| 20:44:32 | weatherundergnd | I:\H140\c\rbutilqt-v1.0.5>rbutilqt.exe |
| 20:44:33 | weatherundergnd | ? |
| 20:44:42 | BigBambi | what? |
| 20:45:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | You don't have to run it from the H140. You can extract it to your computer's hard drive. |
| 20:45:46 | weatherundergnd | nothing |
| 20:45:53 | weatherundergnd | i'm just starting the .exe |
| 20:45:59 | weatherundergnd | don't wanna brick my player |
| 20:46:06 | BigBambi | good, but you don't need to tell us everyhting you are doing |
| 20:46:10 | weatherundergnd | btw: the installation has spelling mistake |
| 20:46:17 | BigBambi | what/ |
| 20:46:35 | weatherundergnd | The configuation will |
| 20:46:44 | weatherundergnd | shouldn't it be configuration |
| 20:46:58 | BigBambi | yes, where exactly is it? |
| 20:47:17 | weatherundergnd | when first started rbutilqt.exe |
| 20:47:31 | weatherundergnd | Your configuration is invalid. This is most likely due to a new installation of Rockbox Utility or a changed device path. The configuation will now open to allow you correcting the problem." |
| 20:47:55 | BigBambi | domonoky: one for you next time you commit something rbutil related I think |
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| 20:49:05 | * | domonoky changed locally, and will commit it with the next bigger rbutil change.. :-) |
| 20:49:13 | BigBambi | cool ;0 |
| 20:49:28 | * | BigBambi kicks his shift key in the nuts |
| 20:49:29 | weatherundergnd | "Complete Installation" or "Smart Installation" ? |
| 20:49:43 | BigBambi | complete should work in 1.0.5 |
| 20:50:05 | domonoky | there is no "smart" its small... but i would use the individual options on the second tab.. :-) |
| 20:50:15 | domonoky | but all should work... |
| 20:50:23 | BigBambi | domonoky: I thought complete was oK in 1.0.5? |
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| 20:50:42 | * | LambdaCalculus37 gives BigBambi a new shift key |
| 20:51:02 | domonoky | jup complete install should be ok... |
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| 20:58:50 | weatherundergnd | the "Complete Installation" is ready |
| 20:58:55 | weatherundergnd | should i just reboot the H140? |
| 20:59:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yep. |
| 20:59:11 | BigBambi | have you been into the OF and flashed the patched .hex? |
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| 21:03:42 | weatherundergnd | OF? |
| 21:03:52 | BigBambi | original firmware |
| 21:04:04 | weatherundergnd | BigBambi: nope |
| 21:04:13 | BigBambi | you need to do that then |
| 21:04:19 | BigBambi | did rbutil not prompt you? |
| 21:04:25 | weatherundergnd | yes |
| 21:04:28 | domonoky | thats the problem with the complete install. people dont read the output of the botloader install.. . |
| 21:04:38 | domonoky | :-) |
| 21:04:57 | BigBambi | domonoky: That's a perennial problem with anything :/ |
| 21:05:32 | domonoky | you have to use the "upgrade firmware" option in the OF to upgrade to the firmware rbutil put on your device.. |
| 21:06:13 | weatherundergnd | i ran the installation executable |
| 21:06:14 | weatherundergnd | http://pastebin.com/m49075120 |
| 21:06:24 | weatherundergnd | after rebooting that's the stuff i got on my player |
| 21:06:33 | weatherundergnd | but it boots the normal iRiver firmware |
| 21:06:46 | BigBambi | so have you done the firmware upgrade in the iriver firmware? |
| 21:07:11 | BigBambi | as I asked a few minutes ago, and as rbutil told you to |
| 21:07:15 | weatherundergnd | nopes |
| 21:07:19 | BigBambi | .... |
| 21:07:26 | * | domonoky points to what he has just written... you need to upgrade. !! .. |
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| 21:07:48 | BigBambi | domonoky: It seems people don't read things even if said directly to them in IRC ;) |
| 21:07:49 | weatherundergnd | i first need to patch Rockbox diff's to original firmware? |
| 21:07:52 | BigBambi | no |
| 21:08:16 | BigBambi | as both domonoky and I have said, just select firmware upgrade in the iriver firmware |
| 21:08:21 | weatherundergnd | ok |
| 21:11:25 | weatherundergnd | it's working |
| 21:11:37 | weatherundergnd | i think :) |
| 21:11:45 | BigBambi | cool |
| 21:11:59 | weatherundergnd | the installer is too easy |
| 21:12:00 | BigBambi | The manual is now your friend (hint hint) |
| 21:12:01 | weatherundergnd | i think :D |
| 21:12:05 | weatherundergnd | ok |
| 21:12:21 | weatherundergnd | domonoky or BigBambi: neighter of you are into C-64 stuff? |
| 21:12:45 | BigBambi | weatherundergnd: that'd be off-topic - for random chat see #rockbox-community |
| 21:14:49 | weatherundergnd | ok |
| 21:15:12 | weatherundergnd | eventhough i haven't tested Rockbox i'd like to thank you guys for your help |
| 21:15:22 | BigBambi | no problem :) |
| 21:15:26 | weatherundergnd | have a nice weekend |
| 21:15:32 | BigBambi | you too |
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| 21:25:12 | Buschel | amiconn: you there? |
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| 21:33:23 | Buschel | anyone with an iaudio m5/x5 here? |
| 21:33:27 | weatherundergnd | i've been testing this for like 10mins and i already love this |
| 21:34:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | We're glad you're enjoying Rockbox. |
| 21:34:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | Now go load music on your iriver and rock out all night. :) |
| 21:34:47 | weatherundergnd | i've loaded some .SID's already |
| 21:34:49 | weatherundergnd | and .FLAC |
| 21:34:54 | weatherundergnd | both work nicely |
| 21:35:00 | goffa | Buschel: i have an x5l |
| 21:35:01 | weatherundergnd | i'm into SID music |
| 21:35:20 | weatherundergnd | this is a REALLY nice bonus that it uses TinySID to replay the .SIDs |
| 21:35:35 | weatherundergnd | i guess the old module formats (MOD/S3M/XM) work also |
| 21:35:46 | weatherundergnd | someone on CSDb recommended Rockbox |
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| 21:38:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | MOD, S3M, and other tracker formats only work with a patch; search for FS #8680 in Flyspray. |
| 21:38:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | Also look at FS #8806. |
| 21:38:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | Speaking of which... |
| 21:39:02 | * | LambdaCalculus37 pokes preglow |
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| 21:39:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: Still going to commit FS #8680? |
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| 21:47:15 | weatherundergnd | hmm. i hear some clipping voice when playing songs.. |
| 21:50:05 | weatherundergnd | i hear clipping noice if i don't have USB cable connected |
| 21:51:07 | gevaerts | Any objections to committing FS #8230 (manual addition on usb charging) |
| 21:51:09 | gevaerts | ? |
| 21:52:44 | BigBambi | nein |
| 21:52:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | Nope. |
| 21:53:07 | weatherundergnd | me neigher, but does anyone have clue what's making the clipping noise when playing songs? |
| 21:53:32 | BigBambi | clipping in the sound files? |
| 21:53:37 | weatherundergnd | yeah |
| 21:53:45 | weatherundergnd | playing .SID / .MP3 or anything |
| 21:53:47 | BigBambi | what are the volume and bass/treble settings |
| 21:54:06 | BigBambi | also, try turning on the precut in the equalizer |
| 21:54:31 | BigBambi | I meant actual clipping in the sound files |
| 21:54:34 | weatherundergnd | is there something like "set default settings" in rockbox? |
| 21:54:41 | BigBambi | yes |
| 21:54:44 | BigBambi | Check the manual |
| 21:54:45 | * | Buschel has FS #9000 :) |
| 21:55:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | \o/ |
| 21:55:11 | mcuelenaere | somebody here with a m:robe 500 with Rockbox on it? |
| 21:55:24 | BigBambi | weatherundergnd: Rockbox doesn't fiddle with your music unless you tell it to, hence no auto no-clipping etc |
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| 21:56:28 | gevaerts | Now what should we do with FS #8230 ? The actual bug is fixed, but the comments are full of semi-related feature requests |
| 21:56:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | mcuelenaere: JdGordon has one, I believe. |
| 21:57:08 | * | pixelma wonders whether austriancoder reads logs or follows tracker |
| 21:57:24 | BigBambi | gevaerts: I'd close it and say to open a feature request for specific requests |
| 21:57:26 | Buschel | amiconn: if you could check fs#9000 with your iaudio thuis would be great. 1) i am not 100% sure whether mpc is still matching the size of the iram on your target 2) speed difference is of interest |
| 21:57:31 | Buschel | *this |
| 21:57:34 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: kkurbjun has one according to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxTesting |
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| 21:58:22 | mcuelenaere | kkurbjun: around? |
| 21:58:39 | mcuelenaere | or JdGordon? |
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| 22:00:42 | austriancoder | pixelma: logs.. no.. tracker.. hmm |
| 22:01:18 | pixelma | people reported problems with bass/treble settings on targets with software tone control |
| 22:01:35 | Buschel | bye |
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| 22:01:57 | austriancoder | pixelma: i know of them.. and i will fix them |
| 22:03:22 | gevaerts | BigBambi: I would, but only one or two of the comments are about the original bug, the other 15 are on the new feature, so "just" opening a new feature request would be annoying. OTOH at least half of the commenters can reopen the bug if I close it... |
| 22:03:58 | BigBambi | If the bug itself is fixed, then that bug report can be closed IMO |
| 22:04:25 | BigBambi | If anyone wants to branch off into something else, they can do, either in a new topic or by reopening |
| 22:04:27 | * | gevaerts closes it. If Llorean doesn't like it, he can always reopen it :) |
| 22:04:37 | BigBambi | But the discussion carrying on there helps no-one |
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| 22:05:07 | BigBambi | it is difficult to find a discussion on something in an wrongly named tracker report |
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| 22:06:52 | gevaerts | Of course it could be retitled and edited to reflect the new status as a feature request. |
| 22:06:59 | austriancoder | pixelma: svn up and all problems are gone |
| 22:07:14 | BigBambi | gevaerts: that is true |
| 22:07:41 | pixelma | austriancoder: whoa, did you also fix all the other bugs I know of? :P |
| 22:07:49 | * | gevaerts thinks that 640 bug reports should be enough for everyone. We can recycle them after use |
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| 22:09:51 | mcuelenaere | petur: shouldn't "Study mode" be translated to dutch as "Studeer modus" instead of "Studeer mode"? |
| 22:10:01 | pixelma | gevaerts: yesterday you worded it better here (something like "leave Rockbox running" or so... the Ondios don't charged but can be powered by USB... |
| 22:10:25 | gevaerts | pixelma: ok. I'll try again :) |
| 22:10:38 | pixelma | unfortunately that's not the only reference to charging in the Ondio manuals still :\ |
| 22:10:51 | gevaerts | It's easy now that all the logic is there |
| 22:11:10 | petur | mcuelenaere: don't know, I'm not that much of a language expert. 'Studeer mode' seemed ok to me |
| 22:11:52 | BigBambi | study mode is a stupid name anyway |
| 22:11:58 | petur | yup ;) |
| 22:12:10 | mcuelenaere | petur: I'm not a language expert myself either, but "modus" instead of "mode" just seemed more logical to me.. |
| 22:12:34 | * | bluebrother votes for removing "study" mode |
| 22:13:02 | BigBambi | at the very least renaming it to something even remotely related to its function |
| 22:13:06 | mcuelenaere | petur: bwah never mind, I'll probably never use it anyway so .. :) |
| 22:13:21 | petur | no problem... I'm removing options anyway now ;) |
| 22:13:23 | bluebrother | yep. The name is irritating |
| 22:14:24 | gevaerts | pixelma: "The \dap{} can be powered over USB without establishing a USB storage connection by holding \ActionStdUsbCharge{} while plugging in. This allows you to continue using the \dap{} normally." ? |
| 22:16:56 | pixelma | the only thing I'm not sure of is the "USB storage connection" - would one say so? (question to a native speaker probably). Otherwise it sounds good to me :) |
| 22:17:35 | gevaerts | I don't know. Maybe "disk mode connection" ? |
| 22:17:40 | BigBambi | the English is fine, but I'm not sure I'm the best judge as I know about the technical aspects |
| 22:18:04 | BigBambi | how about "without connecting to your computer" ? |
| 22:18:20 | gevaerts | That's technically incorrect |
| 22:18:32 | BigBambi | But understandable to normal people |
| 22:18:35 | bluebrother | gevaerts: true, but the manual is intended for users. |
| 22:18:44 | pixelma | USB data connection? (just suggestion here too) |
| 22:18:56 | gevaerts | "without connecting to your computer as a disk" ? |
| 22:19:11 | bluebrother | how about "the dap can be connected to usb for charging only ..."? |
| 22:19:24 | BigBambi | If we are writing this for standard people, "without connecting to your computer" gets it across better |
| 22:19:37 | BigBambi | bluebrother: yes, that would do |
| 22:19:38 | pixelma | bluebrother: the goal was to avoid the "charging" for the Ondio manuals |
| 22:19:53 | gevaerts | s/charging/power/ |
| 22:19:55 | bluebrother | pixelma: ah, ok. Missed that part of the discussion |
| 22:20:06 | austriancoder | what do you think about this idea? Move all functions of MAS3587F and MAS3539F, e.g. sound_set_loudness - directly into the mas35xx audio driver |
| 22:20:08 | BigBambi | me too |
| 22:20:17 | bluebrother | then try s/charging/power connection/ |
| 22:20:28 | pixelma | or more opting for that |
| 22:20:32 | Horscht | without putting the \dap{} into Mass Storage mode? |
| 22:20:34 | gevaerts | And I think we need to keep USB in there. It's not firewire... |
| 22:20:53 | Horscht | USB mass storage mode |
| 22:21:15 | BigBambi | I think the most simple way is just without connecting to your computer. Most people think of connecting as as a disk |
| 22:21:38 | BigBambi | They don't know, or need to know, or want to know, about the technical aspects of charging over USB |
| 22:22:37 | gevaerts | "Without appearing to your computer as a disk drive" ? |
| 22:22:40 | * | gevaerts is hesitant |
| 22:22:55 | BigBambi | gevaerts: yep |
| 22:23:08 | * | bluebrother still considers this too technical. Average users might wonder "as what else?" |
| 22:23:16 | Horscht | without gajingalaminga gobledigoo jinglebells rock |
| 22:23:38 | BigBambi | I appreciate the desire to be correct, but I don't want to confuse people just to be technically correct |
| 22:24:22 | gevaerts | We still have the "unknown device" issue when connecting without UMS. If we then claim to "not connect", that may confuse people as well |
| 22:24:46 | bluebrother | we do still have that issue? Hmm :/ |
| 22:24:49 | gevaerts | On the other hand that is (IMHO) a bug |
| 22:25:09 | * | Horscht thinks "without putting the \dap{} into USB Mass Storage mode" is technicaly correct and no confusing for people capable of instaling rockbox |
| 22:26:04 | * | BigBambi wonders if Horscht has even seen either the forums or the user mailing list |
| 22:26:15 | * | gevaerts starts to think that BigBambi's wording is best |
| 22:26:31 | Horscht | no, i try not to harm my mind, BigBambi :p |
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| 22:26:56 | BigBambi | Horscht: quite :) if you had, I suspect you would have a slightly different opinion ;0 |
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| 22:27:22 | bluebrother | BigBambi: we should make installation of Rockbox much harder :) |
| 22:27:33 | BigBambi | bluebrother: I agree there :) |
| 22:27:38 | Horscht | you know... i was the one with the opinion of flash replacing HD based targets in the long run, BigBambi |
| 22:27:38 | BigBambi | and kill doom |
| 22:27:54 | * | bluebrother remembers he's working on rbutil ... d'oh! :D |
| 22:27:59 | BigBambi | Horscht: I don't get the connection? |
| 22:28:08 | Horscht | i keep with my opinions |
| 22:28:32 | Horscht | I also am of the opinion, that I am talking utter bull.... right now |
| 22:29:22 | gevaerts | Can everyone live with "The \dap{} can be powered over USB without connecting to your computer by holding \ActionStdUsbCharge{} while plugging in. This allows you to continue using the \dap{} normally. |
| 22:29:26 | gevaerts | ? |
| 22:29:34 | * | BigBambi certainly can |
| 22:29:42 | * | gevaerts would hope so |
| 22:30:12 | bluebrother | I think it's kinda confusing talking about powering but not connecting. |
| 22:30:23 | BigBambi | gah! :) |
| 22:30:39 | bluebrother | though I could live with it. There are quite a few issues in the manual that could be worded better ;-) |
| 22:31:21 | BigBambi | I see what you mean, as connecting means both plugging in and establishing a data connection, but when I read that I think of the data connection |
| 22:31:37 | BigBambi | You have obviously connected/plugged in as otherwise it couldn't charge |
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| 22:32:07 | * | BigBambi tries to think of a better way of putting it |
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| 22:32:37 | bluebrother | that's why I somewhat said it could be worded better. But I don't have a better proposal, so ... |
| 22:33:03 | BigBambi | yeah |
| 22:33:50 | * | bluebrother wonders if there have been any issues with the changed caching in rbutil |
| 22:37:02 | kugel|away | Nico_P: Have you read my latest comment on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8335 ? I have no idea why it doesn'T resize |
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| 22:59:37 | austriancoder | green again :) |
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